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Here it is Janet.

I'm a little behind and trying to catch up from the previous thread.  In reference to the psychic map and mine shafts, here is an article from the Geological Society of America.


North-Central Section–40th Annual Meeting (20–21 April 2006)
Paper No. 23-7 
Presentation Time: 10:00 AM-10:20 AM
 
ARUBA: GEOLOGY AND THE FORENSIC SPOTLIGHT

PRIDE, Douglas E., Geological Sciences, The Ohio State Univ, Columbus, OH 43210, pride.1@osu.edu

Small at only 75 mi2 (194 km2), the island of Aruba is located 15 (25 km) miles off the north coast of Venezuela. The island consists of Cretaceous mafic volcanics that were intruded by a late Cretaceous quartz diorite pluton. Carbonate reef rocks cover perhaps 35 percent of the island, and they continue to form as a fringing reef along the southern margin of the island. Additional features include a major shear zone that transects the south end of the island, and significant gold-quartz veins for which the island is famous. The following is from the Aruba Island Gold Mining Company, Ltd, Registered July 4th, 1872: “. . . the Island of Aruba, . . where . . two hundred auriferous veins of considerable importance and richness have been discovered, and (where) about 20,000 tons of gold-bearing quartz are now upon the surface ready for treatment.”

Aruba was thrust into the world spotlight with the disappearance there of American tourist Natalie Holloway on May 30th of 2005. Because she has not been found, it has remained in the spotlight. There is sufficient material to bury a person anywhere along the beaches of the island, and in streams valleys that drain the interior of the island. There also are deposits of sand-size tailings (esp.) at the old Balashi mill southeast of Oranjestad, and a body could be hidden in any of several mine openings, one of which (the Calabasa shaft) is quite deep and filled with water. However, there is only one place where frightened and impaired individuals could hide a body and be reasonably certain it would not be found: in the deepening water beyond the fringing reef along the south side of the island.   We can hope this is the only time they've done such a thing.
 
http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2006NC/finalprogram/abstract_103556.htm

Here it is Janet.
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Bearlyhere, you did good.

By the time I located this post ... I could not quote it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hey ... I think they all did leave C&C's with their drinks but ... I will check back in the declarations.

I still am suspicious that Deepak, Satish or Joran failed to mention this "quick stop" in their declarations ... that "quick stop" that Kalpoes' attorney David Kock was referring to.  I am positive his words were derived from a foundation of knowledge.

Anyways ... I will check the declarations and get back to you.

Janet

Overlooked it...so thanks for the reminder!

I guess you feel different about the Netherlands...I thought you would include Holland in the boycott as well since we're so connected to Aruba (in general and with this investigation).
Well, I'm glad you're not boycotting us...Holland is a great country...and when you get here the weather will hopefully be nice! Hope you're ready for lots of people, a lot of bikes, even more cars and flatness all around you!

I'm really off now......if I wait any longer I might as well shower and go off to work :D

Have a great day & evening everyone!

Hey ... how's that headache Bearlyhere.

Janet

Well ... let me put it this way.  I figure I am somewhat related to the Dutch ... considering my youngest son is somewhat related by marriage.

In other words ... family is family.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet

Getting better as we speak.  Thank you.

     

KLASS I have *NEW* photos of the K-SWISS SHOE...I'll send them to you to post here....

TIA...Destiny

Excellent, thanks!

On this site: http://www.prive.nl/

The tabloid Prive will have another article on Joran this coming week (will be out today / tomorrow):

Peter R. de Vries is now after Joran and his dad.

Part of the editorial from Evert Santegoeds:

Veel reacties kreeg ik vorige week op onze foto’s van JORAN VAN DER SLOOT in Thailand. Hoe kon dit nou dat een mogelijke moordenaar zo’n leven leidt? Wie betaalt dat allemaal? En - nog vaker gesteld - wie maakt er een einde aan? Ik denk dat ik het antwoord op die laatste vraag wel weet. En de naam zal u niet verbazen. Ik begrijp dat PETER R. DE VRIES zint op een zinderende nieuwe uitzending rond Joran... én zijn vader! Wordt vervolgd. En laat dát nu eens gelden voor iedereen die NATALEE liet verdwijnen.
 

I got a lot of reactions about our photos of Joran van der Sloot in Thailand. How can it be that a possible murderer is living such a live? Who is paying for all of this? And, even asked more, who will end it? I think I have the answer to that last question.
And the name wouldn't surprise you. I understand that Peter R. de Vries is trying to make another spectacular show around Joran...and his dad! Will be continued (it says vervolgd wich also means prosecuted). And let this happen to everyone who made Natalee dissapear (he means prosecuted).
 
On this site: http://www.prive.nl/

The tabloid Prive will have another article on Joran this coming week (will be out today / tomorrow):

Peter R. de Vries is now after Joran and his dad.

Part of the editorial from Evert Santegoeds:

Veel reacties kreeg ik vorige week op onze foto’s van JORAN VAN DER SLOOT in Thailand. Hoe kon dit nou dat een mogelijke moordenaar zo’n leven leidt? Wie betaalt dat allemaal? En - nog vaker gesteld - wie maakt er een einde aan? Ik denk dat ik het antwoord op die laatste vraag wel weet. En de naam zal u niet verbazen. Ik begrijp dat PETER R. DE VRIES zint op een zinderende nieuwe uitzending rond Joran... én zijn vader! Wordt vervolgd. En laat dát nu eens gelden voor iedereen die NATALEE liet verdwijnen.
 

I got a lot of reactions about our photos of Joran van der Sloot in Thailand. How can it be that a possible murderer is living such a live? Who is paying for all of this? And, even asked more, who will end it? I think I have the answer to that last question.
And the name wouldn't surprise you. I understand that Peter R. de Vries is trying to make another spectacular show around Joran...and his dad! Will be continued (it says vervolgd wich also means prosecuted). And let this happen to everyone who made Natalee dissapear (he means prosecuted).
I just wanted to bring this one forward ....
Think the parents sent him away to stay away from the " news ", Peter De Vries and the NL .
Didn't work too well,








 
 
 

Here are the photos of the tennis shoe Destiny just received and sent to me.  Thanks Destiny!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/keds.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/keds_4.jpg)

New:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/keds_1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/keds_2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/keds_3.jpg)

O/T

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0618081hinckley1.html?link=rssfeed

John Hinckley's "Fondling Privileges"

Government says Reagan assailant is narcissistic juggler of women

JUNE 18--John Hinckley is a womanizing narcissist who juggles sexual relationships, maintains "fondling privileges" with one paramour, and "believes himself entitled to a life of leisure," according to federal prosecutors opposing the presidential assailant's bid for more time away from a Washington, D.C. psychiatric hospital. In a blistering court filing, government lawyers charge that Hinckley, 53, has engaged in "continued inappropriate and unrealistic relationships with several women," and that he has not satisfactorily addressed "issues surrounding his relationships with women." In a June 4 motion, government lawyers reported that Hinckley has been "maintaining near simultaneous sexual relationships" with two women, "rekindled" a relationship with a former girlfriend, and "met a fourth woman" last year. A copy of the U.S. District Court filing can be found below. This "significant increase in his interaction with women" is of concern, prosecutors argue, because of Hinckley's "narcissistic need to be in the company of women and to impress the women he is with." Hinckley needs to address "his issues" surrounding these relationships, prosecutors wrote, "in order to preclude the danger that he might again try to impress a woman through violence." In 1981, Hinckley shot President Ronald Reagan as a "love offering" to actress Jodie Foster, with whom he was obsessed. At trial the following year, Hinckley was found not guilty by reason of insanity and was confined to St. Elizabeths Hospital, where he has spent the last 25 years. Over the past decade, Hinckley has been granted supervised visits with his family, and it is the duration of those releases that he is currently seeking to expand. The government believes that such an expansion is "improvident and endangers the community." Prosecutors noted that as a result of Hinckley's "reemergent narcissism," he "believes himself entitled to a life of leisure and shows significant signs of stress when he is not given his way." A July 21 court hearing is scheduled on Hinckley's motion for additional furloughs from St. Elizabeths. (7 pages)
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I know the perfect roommate for him.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Without help, Joran is going to do it again, yet he runs free and thumbs his nose at his family (who came to his rescue), his country (who came to his rescue), a family we all know and love, and a girl we proudly stand with.

Hi Everyone.  I have been sooo busy lately and there are were so many pages to read in the last thread.

Rob - I just love your cartography skills.  Thanks so much.

Janet - You will love the Netherlands.  It's absolutely charming.  Just try to forget that the Ditches originated there.

I was looking over Rob's maps and something hit me.  I recall reading in one of the various statements made by one of the Kalpoes, that on the way to the lighthouse they had stopped at Urine's house, but didn't go in.  Well, according to Rob's maps, the Ditch house is basically on the way to the Matty Apartments. Why did they stop?  Did Urine go into the house to get something?  Did they stop to tell Paulass that they were on their way to the event with the girl from the casino?  Urine couldn't have called him from the car because Natalee would have heard the conversation.

Article says: 2 ppl tried to get in a boat( drugs ) but got caught in the waves , they drowned and the cops never found anyone, neither have the cops of cura. and bonaire.
Thanks for the translation K.E. :)

Awemainta 6-18-08
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Okay, never saw the "graffiti" type lettering on the side before. I would think it would be easily "traced" back to who ever did it.

Monkeys...keep your fingers crossed...I *might* be getting a copy of the letter that was delivered with the photos of the shoes...should know by tomorrow...IF I do get it...I'll send it to Klaas to post...

Destiny

Great Job (as usual)!!
What letter - and "delivered" to whom?

Thanks for posting this KatGram....Can't wait to see what happens with this...LOL....Keep up the good work Joran!!!

Thanks Des :) I don't recall hearing about a letter but it would fit with whatever this person was trying to do exactly 3 years to the day Natalee went missing. Either this was a sick joke or this shoe is the real deal. I am still intrigued by the substance and scratches on the shoe. Such a strange color and pattern for it to be a mud or a normal type of dirt,that someone just left like that.MO

*******, did you see that "block lettering" on the side before?

Wreck - that lettering is actually from the factory and Destiny did call the K-Swiss people to find out about it.  I believe they said that those shoes (K-Swiss graffiti) were available in the 2nd quarter 2005 and in the USA only.  I think Florida was one of the areas they were available.  We do know that Joran was in Florida prior to Natalee going to Aruba.

More articles in tommorows Awemainta on Luis Mansur,Hendrik Croes and Duijneveld..This is gonna get really ugly before it ends! What worries me is PVDS is representing one of the suspected members of this group that is in detention  He is trying to throw out that wire tap evidence and help Luis Mansur and the entire gang and once again he is backed by powerful people,both legally and financially. But this time he is against the OM,In Natalee's case it was pretty obvious they were working together even though he was the suspect.

******* and Wreck...what I was told when the photos first appeared...was that copies of the photos..we have all copies of photos now...and a letter were went to Quote *important* Unquote people invloved in the case...to my knowledge...noone has the acual shoe....that's why I was suprised when Jossy said that ALE has the shoe...to my knowlede they only have the photos and letter too.  I've been working on getting a copy of the letter...I should know by tomorrow...I hope....

Destiny

Klassend, can you put up the pictures of the other shoe, I dont see how we missed the lettering on the side.

You betcha!

Seriously??? K-Swiss put lettering on their shoes that look like "tagging" on the side of a subway car????

I only saw 2 pictures -- none from THAT angle.

FWIW - I don't think there are 2 shoes just 2 different angles the photo of the shoe was taken in:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/keds_4.jpg)

Yep...Director of Design at K-Swiss...Klass ha copies of all my emails and phone convos with him...said it was the most limited *special* production run ever made of a K-Swiss shoe...it's called the Graffiti...only made in the second quarter of 2005...only sold in limited areas of the US...Florida being one...and no...they can't tell from the photos if it is a mans or womans she...and they can't tell the size...but my source did say the letter, that came with the photo... says it is a *grande* large mans she.....I want that letter!!!...wish me luck Folks...

Destiny

I'm going senile! I swear I only saw 2 different photos and none with that graffiti on them.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Well Well Well..Which one is it gonna be? The person who left the shoe says it is a grande mens shoe..While the OM spokesperson says it is a very small womans shoe. Quite a descrepency here!

I DO remember the K-Swiss people said the model was called "Graffiti" -- I couldn't figure out why they had that name.

Well, it should be VERY obvious if the "single" shoe ALE was trying to find the match for had the "graffiti" on them.

It's a PIMP shoe design...

me too, I went back and looked at the original picture of the shoe and the the writing is there.  I guess I need to turn in my jr detective badge...

IIRS, someone did comment about the letters on the shoe and wondered if the letter were JV, Urine's intials.  I think Klaas then commented that Urine wouldn't have used JV, but would probably have used an S instead of the V.  I'm so sleepy, I might not even be making any sense.  I'm still wrapped up in the Alpo brothers stopping at Urine's house, but not going in.

Yes it SHOULD be..However we are dealing with officials that told us they were looking for one shoe,then a pair of shoes and first a size 14 then a size 10.5  ::MonkeyNoNo::

No kiddin'!!!!!

I don't think those are initials at all but scratches. The substance on the front is really intriguing,not only the color of it but its not really on any other part of the shoe except the front.IMO

If blood dried on the front of a shoe..What would it look like 3 years later?

 ::MonkeyLaugh::
Those shoes are RIDICULOUS looking! That is why I totally believe Joran would actually think they were "cool."

Ok, now Im really confused.  Where are the initials that we kept trying to figure out???

Destiny - I just have to tell you what an asset you are to SM.  You do such great work and I just want to say thanks.

The initials we were trying to figure out where on the photo of the shoe from the opposite angle (from the graffiti) and the intitials or whatever it was, was on the heel of the shoe.  The graffiti is factory done on the side of the shoe towards the heel.

On the heel of the shoe. But I am not trying to figure it out..Because I think it is scratches,I have similar scratches on my nikes.

Nevermind, I see them now.  Im sorry, guys....

IMO...that shoe was planted for the photos...K-Swiss Corporate Contact said that whoe...has not been siiting in the weather for 3 years...now that we have the complete set of photos...to me it looks like...someone placed the shoe there...then walked back aways....and then walked in closer for each shot....earily reminds me of the Aru-bay photos....

::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/KedsLettering.jpg)

Okay, that is another thing that is new to me. I thought you knew who took the photos of these shoes (probably someone from Diario). These photos were taken by whoever left them??? These photos were submitted anonymously?

Exactly - the shoes have not been sitting in the elements for 3 years.  There were planted there to be found.  Whether they were Joran's or not and from that night is another thing all together.  What Destiny has found out though is that it's possible they were.

Of course they placed the shoe there! They even attached a letter with the shoes! Not only is it obvious from looking at the shoe but Joran would have disposed of that shoe 3 years ago if he knew where it was. That shoe is leather and not plastic and would never ever look like that after 3 years.

Remember you were told you that they received a tip and went and took those photos. So unless the Diario Photographer is in on it,it is the letter writer and anonymous tipster who placed them there.

Destiny,
The way I thought happened was this:
Someone called Diario and the ALE and said: "go to the Lighthouse area and see some shoes". Diario took pics and the ALE actually confiscated them.

Thank you for the arrow, Klassend. 

YEP!...

*******:

 ::MonkeyConfused::

So, we are saying, the letter was physically with the shoe, by the Lighthouse????

*******....I only post what will get the job done...

Nope...Copies of photos and letter were sent to *important* people investigating the NH case...

So, its not really the shoe, or the kind of shoe, but just that we believe it is the shoe... so the location is what is important, right???

Destiny,
I am so bumfuzzled as to what went down. Could you simply give us a chronology of what happened? You can protect any "details", but just give us an outline please!

We really don't know

1.  We know it's possible, from Destiny talking with the K-Swiss people that the shoe could have been Joran's (although improbable)
2.  We also know from Destiny speaking with the K-Swiss people that the shoe has not been sitting out in the elements for 3 years.
3.  That tells us that the shoe was planted there.  So it's either really the missing Joran shoe or someone planted it and is trying to make us believe it is Joran's missing shoe.

I think we're not even really sure if that was the style of shoe that Urine was wearing that night.  That is the style of sneaker that he was wearing later in the interview when he claimed that the missing shoe was exactly like the pair he was wearing in the interview.  In his police statements, he said that he was wearing either light colored boots or white and blue sneakers.  He was wearing white and blue sneakers in the picture that was taken during the award ceremony shortly before Natalee disappeared.  I don't think we even know for sure at this point which shoes he was wearing that night, because he has given so many versions of the shoes.

Now that I'm thinking on a whole different mindset -- consider this:
IF the shoe is a "plant" (not the actual shoe) -- who would have such a "limited production" shoe from Florida?? This is not just a "similar" shoe -- but a shoe that one would not simply try to pass off as Joran's shoe. ........ follow me??

Wreck, Im thinking just the opposite.  Since it is such an odd shoe, then it was the real shoe, somebody kept it for three years, planted it, then sent the pictures and letter to Diaro.

Because, it would be easy to prove.  If Joran wore "that" shoe, a lot of people would have noticed it.  Then if it ever came to trial...witnesses would know if Joran ever wore a shoe like that...

Thats another thing that bothers me about the Dutch version(Opsporing Verzocht) of America's Most Wanted when they aired this case. They bragged about how thorough they are, even the smallest details are copied and reenacted..They went to great lenghths to use Deepaks real car,real locations and times and look a like actors for everyone except the main suspect. Everyone saw they had a dark skin,different race and older actor portraying Joran who looked nothing like him. What other important details had to be exact? His damn missing shoe! They did not show one picture of the all important missing shoe. Rest assured that the ALE/KLPD knows exactly the make,model,color and size of that shoe and they never showed it. Obviously they never wanted it to be found or for Joran to be identified.

How can anyone possibly explain this? Throughout the history of this show..Have they ever botched the most important details like that before? Can you imagine our America's Most wanted doing that? But then again they based much of the facts based on the lies of JK2 as we saw Natalee making googe eyes at Joran and drooling over him. I am suprised they didnt have Natalee saying her Mother was Hitlers sister ::MonkeyNoNo::

If the mystery shoe does belong to Urine, then it means that he would have bought two pair of the limited production sneakers when he was in Florida.  He was wearing a pair during the interview and claimed that they were identical to the missing shoe.  He would have had to have two pair in order to be wearing them in the interview.  How many people buy two pair of shoes at the same time for a 17 year old who's feet are still growing?  If he was missing one shoe, it would have been difficult to buy a replacement pair because they were limited production and Florida was one of the few places where it was sold.  According to K-Swiss, the shoes weren't sold outside of the US, so he couldn't have bought another pair in Aruba.  My guess would be the blue and white sneakers or a completely different pair of sneakers that haven't been described.

Here's what I think...Joran made a special point on Greta's show to say that the shoes were an identical pair to the lost ones.....Joran was lying about the lost ones...They were not like the ones that He had on...on Greta's Show. Plain and Simple...Joran was Lying Again.  ::MonkeyCool::

I see what youre saying.  Im just saying this is like the most unusual shoe that they couldnt make it out to be Jorans shoe if it wasnt.  Im going to sleep, dont even know if Im making sense.  but I apppreciate you all putting up with me. 

Howdy everybody!!  In the Greta interview Joron did not have on a "special edition" K-Swiss shoe like the graffiti shoe in the photo.

hhhhhmmmmmm.............maybe that evidence drawer is getting a little lighter.  Maybe someone has finally had enough.  Or blackmail to let the VDS's know what they have.  Maybe the evidence wasn't thrown away... ::MonkeyConfused::



 

Good Night Always 1....Sleep Well!

When the picture of the dirty sneakers that Urine was wearing at C&Cs was lightened, Rob identified them as a popular style of Nike.  He could have been wearing them or a pair like them that night.  Do we even know if he lost a shoe, or is that another lie?  There is probably something going on with the sneakers because they were the topic of Urine's statements and the Alpo's statements.  Perhaps the lost sneakers story was fabricated during the poolside chats.

SS:

Why didn't the ALE and Dutch Investigators just show a picture of the exact shoes Joran was missing? Dompig stressed how crucial it was to find these shoes and wanted everyone to be on the lookout..But he never gives a description?  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Just K-Swiss size 14? Isnt this the same guy who bragged about being highly trained by the FBI,Arubans,Israeli and Dutch? From what I have read he said he bought them in Florida and it would be all too easy to identify the time and location these were bought. The FBI could easily track down the exact manufacturer,style,color and size within hours. Were they classics all white,limited edition graffitti or another design that was blue and white?

Somebody ask about this earlier.   Kalpoe car seen driving toward Noord @ 2:00 am.  I think someone that Arubagirl knew said this.

JORAN'S SHOES

Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

I wore a white/blue shirt, a blue/white jeans trouser or a three-quart black trouser and a couple of white shoes or crème coloured boots.  


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

I also have to tell you that Joran was wearing white sneakers/sport shoes that night. If you search/investigate his home then you will see that the shoes aren't there. He had told me that he had theft them on the beach.


Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005

I told Deepak that I left my shoes at the Marriot Hotel. Deepak told me not to worry that he would go back the next day and pick them up for me. I had left a pair of white and blue shoes of the make "K-Swiss", size "14" on the beach. These shoes I bought in the USA.


Aruban police seek suspect's shoes
Another Van der Sloot interview, landfill search expected Tuesday
Tuesday, August 2, 2005 Posted

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban authorities investigating the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway are looking for a pair of size-14 tennis shoes that suspect Joran van der Sloot might have lost, a police official said.

"He says he might have lost a pair of sneakers on the beach the night Natalee disappeared," said lead police investigator Roy Tromp. "That's what he claims in one of his many statements."

Tromp said the 17-year-old suspect described the shoes as white and blue and brand new.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/01/aruba.missing/index.html

WHITE SHOES

Joran was wear solid white shoes when the following dialogue took place with Greta in March, 2006.

Janet

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Joran van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 3, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: You left without your shoes. How do you — how do you explain that?

VAN DER SLOOT: We walked onto the — on the beach in the beginning, and where we sat down there, then, I had taken off my shoes. And because, when you walk in, it was the exact same shoes that I'm wearing now.

VAN SUSTEREN: Same kind?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, exactly.

VAN SUSTEREN: Or those aren't the shoes?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, no. Those aren't the shoes...

VAN SUSTEREN: Those are the same kind.

VAN DER SLOOT: ... but those are the exact same kinds.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right.

VAN DER SLOOT: The same size, too

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html

Ok, I couldnt go to sleep without asking one more question.  Do the shoes with the words on them cost more than ordinary k swiss shoes??

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
11:00 PM

If this offends anyone let me know and I will delete the picture. I am posting it because I wanted to show how skeletal the remains are and I am not so sure the other body was in the water as long as this one.


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Of course Joran had to make up a story about the identical shoes.  He could never say they were the special limited ones, just in case they were found.  Thats why such a big deal was made of the shoes.  The limited ones are probably the only ones like it on the whole crappy island.  If they were ever found, he'd be screwed as they would be tied directly to him.  Thus making the real description of the shoes a huge secret never to be told.  Thats why kalpoes were going to go back and look for them and Freddy (or someone) (IIRC) said he'd buy him a new pair.  I personally think they are the real shoes and planted to be found for some specific reason.

Anyone ever hear again from CapLock and any new developments he referred to?

Always1, I understand what you're saying about the shoe and I agree. 

I looked through 98 pages of thumbnails based on a search for Thailand Clubs and Dutch in Thailand.  No Joran, but lots of westerners.  Needle in a haystack, but what the hay, I hoped there'd be something with some mystery person and a big wad of cash.   There is a Thailand Dutch Expat site, a Yahoo News Group that may have something to do with Dutch in Thailand, but both were in Dutch and you have to join to see pics.   I didn't go to a lot of websites because I didn't want to enter the world of Thai women looking for love. 
 ::MonkeyEek::  Must be a shortage of men there.   ::MonkeyShocked::

Tamikosmom, I couldn't even find a transcript of Kimberly's interview with Anita-in-Denial Van der Sloot, even over at RU, so I'll have to look tomorrow.  Long day for me, busy week, I'm tired, I'm sore and achy but I'm really glad GMBW enjoyed her time in the States (gotta watch those subways in big cities) and I'm glad Peter DeVries hasn't dropped the ball or this case. 

Oh, I have a pair of K-Swiss that are several years old, from before my leg got messed up and I was playing tennis.  If a pic of them would help in any way, let me know. 

Nite. 

 :smt015

I don't know why they would fabricate a story about lost sneakers at that time, or any time really.  Why even bring them up?  He could have said "no, I didn't lose my shoes, here they are" and nobody would have been the wiser.  There was a huge deal made of the missing shoes, there must have been a reason.  And if you lost a rare shoe at a crime scene, I'm guessing it would be a big deal!

Yes....Kippy You took the thoughts right out of My head....I believe this is exactly right..... ::MonkeyCool::

GBMW

Read this letter ,this was  crucial
The PG was in Holland and Karin Janssen  verving haar
 
Dear lord of Nie,

I read on your website that among other things, as I Aruban PG in the crucial first ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have ruined the case.

I gave you earlier pointed out that this is contrary to the truth and I've asked you to stop untruths to proclaim.

I will again say how things really works. Natalee is the night of 29 on May 30, 2005 disappeared. I was up to June 6, the first eight days after the disappearance, in the Netherlands.
I do have those days during telephone contact with Karin Janssen and I've told her several times that those three boys, whose last with her and had let persist. Her answer was that those boys were first phonetaped , because otherwise the police had "nothing to the hearing to go". When I returned in Aruba, I told her again that she had to arrest the 3 boys . Her answer was that they were waiting for  video equipment from the Netherlands, because the questioning of the boys would be included on the video. WE never worked before  on  Aruba with  video. Why that had to happen now, could not be made clear to me. I was against, because the police never previously had included video interviews and had no experience with this method of questioning.

But as you now do, when I was appointed as the culprit of that disastrous first ten days, while I have nothing to do with it. The first eight days, I was not even in Aruba.  Karin  Janssen replaced for me as  PG and she  took the decisions at that moment . I have never throughout the investigation had contact with Commissioner van der Straten, either personally or by telephone ..

Janssen  never informed me   of the planned arrest of the two guards. I've saw  this in the Netherlands on television. I was never made clear why these two guards were arrested, because there was no indication that they were involved in the disappearance of Natalee. They are never to teletapped  "to have something to the hearing to go".

I would be grateful if you have a correction on your website and places where you are in the future would refrain from proclaim untruths.

mr drs T.D. Croes

NAWOORD (RvN): I FIND IT VERY VERY INTERESTING WHAT THE PG WRITE. ABOVE ALL THE PASSAGE OF TWO BLACK MEN APPEAR TO BE BASED ON NOTHING .... OPGEPAKT. RACISTISCH OR 'FOUTJE'???? THIS IS SO THAT MAY CONTAIN THE TIME FOR (KARIN ETC.) TOGETHER WITH THE ROADS THIS CASE OF THE FIRST 10 DAYS HAS GETRAINEERD. IN COOPERATION WITH WHO, FOR WHOM AND WHY?

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Dutch:
brief aan Renee v Nie .
INGEZONDEN:
Geachte heer van Nie,

Ik lees weer op uw website dat onder meer ik als Arubaanse P-G in de cruciale eerste tien dagen na de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway de zaak verpest heb.

Ik heb u al eerder op gewezen dat dit in strijd is met de waarheid en ik heb u ook verzocht op te houden met onwaarheden te verkondigen.

Ik zal u nog een keer zeggen hoe de zaak werkelijk in elkaar steekt. Natalee is in de nacht van 29 op 30 mei 2005 verdwenen. Ik was tot en met 6 juni, de eerste acht dagen na de verdwijning, in Nederland. Ik heb wel gedurende die dagen telefonisch contact gehad met hovj Janssen en ik heb haar meerdere malen gezegd dat zij die drie jongens, die als laatste met haar waren, moest laten aanhouden. Haar antwoord was dat die jongens eerst getapt moesten worden, want anders had de politie "niets om het verhoor in te gaan". Toen ik in Aruba terugkeerde heb ik haar opnieuw gezegd dat zij die jongens moest aanhouden. Haar antwoord was toen dat ze aan het wachten waren op videomateriaal uit Nederland, want het verhoor van de jongens zou op de video opgenomen worden. Nooit eerder is in Aruba een verhoor op de video opgenomen. Waarom dat nu moest gebeuren, kon mij niet duidelijk gemaakt worden. Ik was er tegen, omdat de politie nooit eerder video-verhoren had opgenomen en geen ervaring hadden met deze wijze van verhoren.

Maar zoals u nu ook doet, werd ik toen aangewezen als de schuldige van die rampzalige eerste tien dagen, terwijl ik daar helemaal niets mee te maken heb. De eerste acht dagen was ik niet eens in Aruba. De hovj Janssen verving mij als wnd P-G en zij nam de beslissingen. Ik heb nooit gedurende het gehele onderzoek contact gehad met commissaris van der Straten, noch persoonlijk, noch telefonisch..

Ik ben nooit door hovj Janssen op de hoogte gesteld van de voorgenomen aanhouding van de twee bewakers. Ik heb dit in Nederland op de televisie gezien. Mij is ook nooit duidelijk gemaakt waarom deze twee bewakers aangehouden moesten worden, want er was geen enkele aanwijzing, dat zij betrokken waren bij de verdwijning van Natalee. Ze zijn ook nooit getapt om "iets te hebben om het verhoor in te gaan".

Ik zou het zeer op prijs stellen indien u een rectificatie op uw website zou plaatsen en indien u zich in de toekomst zou onthouden van het verkondigen van onwaarheden.

mr. drs. T.D. Croes

NAWOORD(RvN): IK VIND HET HEEL ERG INTERESSANT WAT DE P.G. SCHRIJFT. VOORAL DE PASSAGE OVER DE TWEE ZWARTE MANNEN DIE OP BASIS VAN NIETS....ZIJN OPGEPAKT. RACISTISCH OF 'FOUTJE'???? DIT ZOU DUS KUNNEN INHOUDEN DAT HET TOENMALIGE O.M. ( KARIN ETC. ) SAMEN MET VAN DER STRATEN DEZE ZAAK DE EERSTE 10 DAGEN GETRAINEERD HEEFT. IN SAMENWERKING MET WIE, VOOR WIE EN WAAROM?

br:RvN

I tend to think the opposite of what Joran says-that he was leading them away from searching his home for them by saying he left them at the beach.  Then he got rid of them, like burned them or cleaned them.  He told the Kalpoes and Freddy the story so they would repeat it and get everyone away from where they really were.  I think Kalpoes and Freddy knew the "I left my shoes" story was not true. 

Rob were was that police car ?

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/CCkopie-1.jpg?t=1213868375)

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OK, I can't stand it anymore...

Anyone who examined the first set of Destiny's pics about that new SHOE surely saw the graffiti design -- I sure did... that was one of the things that made it unique....

Wreck... sorry man, but it really was there all along -- the same shoe, ok?  go back and take a second look, the special word design was there...

As far as I am concerned, until proven different -- this is the real McCoy....

And the entire island is in this up to their eyebrows... no public person from Jossy (Dirty Hand) to PVDS to Shango or Simian or the rest are free from the taint and corruption -- It may have been an event that Nat was taken too -- or PVDS himself (and maybe some friends) -- but whatever the situation the aftermath is a coverup and they just want it to go away -- and go away we will never go...

So what if the shoe is a plant -- if it is the guilty shoe -- I have said all along that I believe it was a 10+ foot in that 14+ shoe because Joran has Little Big Man (Napolean) complex -- 

Let's quit beating around the bush and arrest and extradite PVDS for the murder of Natalee Hollee....

Only then will Joran and the rest come forward and testify to what really happened...

The Supreme Court of Aruba finds complicity on the part pf PVDS -- so charge him and extradite him... -- Use the Noriega Doctrine on him and bring him to justice...

Sorry for sounding so radical but now we have to get radical to really serve Justice... PVDS knows...

HE KNOWS!!! AND MAYBE WAS INVOLVED... I say extradite him and try him for murder...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/01/so-what-does-joran-van-der-sloot-do-as-a-hobby-train-graffiti-art/

Morning ******* - how are you?
Could it be possible that the very distinctiveness of this "grafitti" shoe is why it was NOT shown.  Withholding important information so that if match were found...it would be very significant evidence for ALE?  The very evidence they require to go forward with a prosecution, possibly!
Wasn't there one shoe found at Joran's apt during the search?
Imagine if this shoe was found - or retrieved and held by a Joran cohort or friend but Joran was not told.  (Think if he was told, he would have
wanted his father - to "disappear" the evidence!)
I so hope this shoe is legitimate and not a hoax.   

   

Good morning Monkeys
Now why would he say"same size too"?Who does that when describing their shoes?
I so wish Greta would have said"ok,take one of them off and let me see" :gaah:

Whoa,is this a image of the 2nd body to wash up or the 3rd?

Johan - this is how I understand it. I also mirrored the Diamonds International image to aim it in the right direction.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/DEEPAKSROUTE13.jpg)

Good morning.

I like the way you think.

I don't know how I missed the graffiti on the shoe. I probably just had the 2 pics that jackb "enhanced" on my mind. I have to agree that this is the reason there has been a REALLY big "to do" about the shoes. Those shoes are about as rare as a finger print and stick out like a sore thumb! I still would like Destiny to explain the pictures in just a little more chronological order. Were the pics we now have taken by Diario -- or were they submitted to Diario?

!!!HELLO!!!!

MONKEYS HELLO!!!

Somebody must remember this besides me!

HELLO  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good morning :) I need more Java!  ::MonkeyWaa::

Yes,that could be why they never showed a picture of the shoes,that is a extremely limited brand as only just over 10,000 were made and only sold in the U.S. in the 2nd quarter of 2005. Less then half of that number were made in mens. Beth was quoted in the very beginning,that she was told that one shoe was found with mud or blood on it,and I know for sure they were looking for one missing shoe in the very beginning.

I hope it is legitimate also and someone got there hands on his real shoe,or has had it quite some time now. Unfortunately the OM already spoke out and said it is not Jorans and it was a very small womans shoe. Someone will have to produce additional evidence that links this shoe to Joran or we will probably never hear anything more about it.

Karma - I think they only showed two bodies. The third was not placed on the net. They probably have the images, but did not load them. I think AWE24 has some type of automatic uploader used from the point of origin. They are able to load on site. So, maybe it's a satellite connection. Not sure, but they seem to upload on site.

If it helps any and remember correctly,Destiny first told us that ale and Diario got a tip about the shoe being where it was.Diario got there before ale and took pictures.I remember thinking how strange that a local newspaper got there before ale but then remembered....we ARE talking about ale here lol.....NOW I believe Destiny is saying that ale and Diario recieved a letter and pictures....but I don't really know. ::MonkeyConfused::Hey Wreck,what happened to your cool train?

I did not have time to look at it closer last night to confirm it is the no 2 as it appears to be the same part of that beach and similar material placed on top of the body. I was just amazed how skeletal the remains were,something I did not see in the other pictures the previous days.

wreck - here is a collection of the shoe I made when the shoe was first discovered. Look at the shoe in the right corner. You should clearly see the graffiti.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SHOECOMPARASION1.jpg)

::MonkeyEek::Whoa,I don't know where I was or what I was doing but I don't remember this....thanks Rob!

Thanks Rob....so it was 3 bodies total......so far.

Exactly *******,that's why I thought this image was the 3rd body because it looked so different from the first 2 I saw.

That is the way I understood her also. That Diario got pics and letter, but didn't see the actualy shoe.

I have asked many, many times about PVDS' trip to Miami summer of 2005, but have never received even one reply. Why? Where? When? Any mention of this has never been made, and I always thought it was significant.

Destiny had to be very discreet when she first showed the shoe pics -- it wasn't clear "how" or "who" submitted them. Maybe she can tell us a little more now. ( my signature train is on brief hiatus -- my computer is in the shop so i can't bring it back quite yet -- using my "old" pc )

Interesting post from the front page(link from Rob)
April 2007


evilive on April 3rd, 2007 8:06 pm
I have not posted in a while so here it is…….
Paulus to Jan and others.
There was this blonde American female tourist that tried to get Joran and Geoffrey in trouble. They say some photos of her at the HI. They thought she was hot and any easy pick so they wanted to have a little fun with her at C and C’s. She ended up slapping Geoffrey and when Joran made his advances; she tried to file a report to the police against both of them.
Joran will point her out to me when we go to the casino. Joran is going to try and bring her over to my place before she leaves Aruba. If Joran can get her I think we should teach the little xxxx a lesson she won’t forget. Anita won’t be home and neither will my other boys; it will be perfect if he can get her. We’ll teach her a lesson and then bring her back to her hotel. She won’t remember a thing. You know; why not asked Freddie to come over and video tape our lesson.
We have done this to other tourist at least twenty times before and nothing has ever gone wrong.
But something bad happened didn’t it Paulus? Natalee was a virgin. There was blood on the mattress. Natalee was slipping in and out of consciousness when she stopped breathing. You all tried to revive her unsuccessfully. You know you could not report this to the police because jan van der Straaten was already there. You tried to find information on the internet about drug interaction. You called your buddy at the funeral home. He told you he would send someone over from the church and wait for you to bring Natalee; but you had to come up with some amnesia money.
You placed her in your truck, went to the ATM and then went to the cemetery.
The caretaker placed her temporarily in a crypt until everyone could figure out what to do with the body.
Later your truck was confiscated so no evidence could be found.
Later you found out the caretaker and Benson tried to collect Natalee’s reward money and you had both of them killed.
You thought you had plenty of time to secure your no body you have no case.
You got rid of Natalee’s body and clothing.
However; you left behind Natalee’s underwear that Anita found.
Aruba could not let it be known that a prominent judge, other officials and their sons were involved in date rape schemes. Aruba’s tourist business would go straight down the tubes.
Keon and Guido are your weakest links, so you had to get them out of the country. Jan is a bag of nerves and he got shipped to Bonaire.
Dompig said that he could solve the case, but it was bigger them him; especially when they threatened to include Michael in the rape and murder. Or was he, and they threatened to expose him.
You, Jan, Steve Croes, Nelson Oduber and Dompig since he was an original spokesman for the tourist industry and others were involved in a cover up scheme. You can’t bring closure now because you don’t have a body to return.
You all rushed to cover up but didn’t count on how much exposure Natalee would receive. Now it’s no body no tourists.

Because of this shoe's relative rarity - man or women's shoe? - I hope
the f.b.i. or a p.i. (since ale's may not since it seems they've already dismissed the shoe) is prepared to investigate who purchased grafitti K Swiss shoes in Flda. in April, May '05. as well as a follow-up - i. e. what inventory was available in months following Natalee's disappearance.

Maggie, I don't think any of us know why. And it could be disinformation. I'm not sure at all, just being polite.

Hello Maggie..I don't think anyone knows the answer to your question except PVDS and whoever he saw in Florida. I also believe his trip was significant and I think he is FOS saying he went there to withdraw Joran from St.Leo's university. You don't fly all the way to Florida when both you and your son are suspected of Kidnapping and Murder just to do something you can do by phone or mail. It was something urgent,important and something he had to do in person.

Thanks sweets,that's the way I remember it.

Hi Maggie....interesting.I don't remember him even taking a trip to Miami at all,sorry.

danki Karma. That is interesting... and looks right in many areas.

Ahh,thanks Wreck.I understand Destiny had to be discreet,she's a real trooper and I appreciate all she is doing for justice for Natalee.
Your train reminded me of aruba....two sides of aruba crashing together. ::MonkeyWink::

I feel your pain wreck... hopefully you'll have it back pronto. I know how bad not having "your" computer really is..

Very interesting post.     ::MonkeyEek::

Pita, I DO remember that post. Sometimes I skip a lot of the FP's posts, excepts Carpe's of course, cause he's sooo darn funny, but I do remember when Evilive was posting... and read those posts.

and when you look back, it makes a lot more sense today then it did back then... at least to me it does.

Rob, I agree!

the SN is interesting also.

EVIL LIVE

forward and backward.

I remember, Rob.  In most circles, grafitti is known by its rightful name: VANDALISM to PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Much of what he is saying could very well be true and does make sense..However I think this was just a knowledgable poster who was guessing.MO

Hi Peaches, yes of course it is vandalism   ::MonkeyHaHa::

but the correlation between the shoe and his interest can not be denied. I can see him being attracted to that style of shoe due to his hobby.

You're welcome Rob,I think it all could have happened this easily.

It sure is...in later postings EvilLive states he/she was just trying to think like a perp to come up with this post above.

Correct *******
I should have read further on and stated this with my post(sorry):
EvilLive also posted that he/she was just trying to think like a perp to come up with that post.
In no way was I thinking that he/she was making a veiled confession :silent:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43474.php

Through translator:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Amigoe061908.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: This evil little woman and a few of her followers were bragging for months about this Documentary at FOK and other Dutch boards. They were trying to build up Gielen like she was this great researcher and everyone should hold there breath until this documentary comes out. Problem is no one in there right mind will touch her lies and misinformation. Aint that right GBMW?

Wonder why the state of the bodies were so different?

Hey!  Who's talking Miami?  I want to know about it too...I have heard that over and over.  Was he ever missing in action during those first few weeks?

Good Morning LilPuma

I have that Kimberley/Anita interview somewhere.  I agree ... Anita's words would make a perfect foundation for the project.  I will post what I find sometime today.

I hope you are feeling better.

Janet
7:45 AM

I compared the pictures at Diario with the one I posted and they have the same material on top of the body and the same people carrying it,so just pictures of 2 and not 3. This body appears to be much more decomposed then the one with no clothes. I suppose it's possible they were put in the water at the same time but one of them was more exposed to the elements. That doesnt mean they died at the same time or that they couldn't have been dead a few days and then placed in the ocean.

My guess is they were disposed of a few miles out and took a week or so to wash up on that shore. Not sure why the Naked guy had a nylon rope attached to him as it appears to of been cut. He may of been attached to that boat while they let the fish feed on him and then they cut him lose, or was tied up before he died. Both body's are showing there bones on the lower part of the body but not as much on the upper part. I seriously doubt this was some accident aboard some drug boat and they both drowned.

IIRC ... the trip to Miami by Paulus shortly following Joran's detention encompassed a telecommunication company and communications  that took place on the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing between the participants.  I assume Paulus was using his connections/power to ...

Maggie ... I do believe that other Monkeys are more qualified to assist you in regards to this topic.  I could be all wrong.

Janet 

I seriously doubt it was "just an accident" too *******. 
How gruesome for tourists to see and read such things.  I hate to see dead fish washed up on the beach, nevermind bodies!
It's curious to me, that while Ahata is so protective of it's tourism image, pictures of this nature continue to appear in their newspapers.

So, we are surmizing that Paulus went to to Tampa to try to find another exact match for those goofy ass shoes???

Yes, Rob.  That is why I wondered if Anita also got a pair when she was in Florida with him.  I thought Natalee might have grabbed her shoes to try to get out of the house since she would have had none.  That would explain the woman's shoe.  We have all seen Anita's artwork.  Graffiti would be an improvement.

I thought about that and I doubt he would make that trip just for a pair of sneakers. Especially when he knows the missing shoe will never be found. He has enough connections and knows enough people for them to purchase the exact pair and ship them to Aruba if necesary.

My guess is he made that trip for a private face to face meeting with someone or a transaction that had to be done in person. Like a video that needed to be destroyed and a payoff in cash. PVDS knew he was being monitored in Aruba and his communications were tapped.

OK...I'll try and bring everyone to my same page..LOL....it takes time to establish a clear line of communication with someone you've never met...and who lives in another country...so needless to say...I only post here what I'm told by that person...over time...a two-way clearer line of communication is established...it moves into a friendship stage....friends speak much more openly than just strangers asking questions of each other...following me here?

Yes, I was told in the beginning that a reporter took the photos...the 2 we saw in Diario...of course that is what someone would say to a complete stranger...

But now...it comes out that *copies of these photos and a letter*...were sent to Diario...and as my *friend* said...to other IMPORTANT PEOPLE involved in the case...to my knowledge...whomever took those photos...has the shoe...I am now trying to get a copy of the *letter* that arrived with the shoe photos...I do hope I cleared this up...probably not as it left even me confused...LOL...

Destiny

So we still don't know who has those shoes?  LOL  Why does that not surprise me?  Good work Destiny!

Hi Bearly
I can't help but think that if Natalee was in the in the ditches house of horrors and got a chance to get away,that she would be worried about finding shoes/grabbing shoes to wear for her escape.I know if I was in that situation I don't think I would even have time to think about anything but getting away as fast as possible IMO

to my knowledge...whomever took those photos...has the shoe...
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to my knowledge...noone has the acual shoe..that's why I was suprised when Jossy said that ALE has the shoe.
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 ::MonkeyConfused:: Who has the damn shoe?  ::MonkeyHaHa:: From everything I have read from your posts and the reports I would guess that the ALE has them. It doesn't do anyone any good if this person took his own pictures,wrote a letter but never gave the shoe to anyone. Plus the OM already stated they were very small womans shoes,but the K-Swiss expert could not even determine that from the pictures. The OM/ALE has them.

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Shure ******* RG need more and more trolls
Not easy to find these days  ::MonkeyHaHa::
they are posting on fob 2 now 

Ahh,I understand completely Destiny,also want to thank you for all those ringys you are dinging. ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Karma:
I thought of that, too.  What if she were in the VDS' main bedroom?  She could have grabbed clothes to go.

Bearlyhere

I apologize for not responding sooner in regards to the "quick stop" that David Kock implied that his clients ... the Kalpoes ... made within a block of leaving Carlos & Charlies.

I tend to believe that the quick stop was not for purchasing another "Yard" but ... for something more sinister.  I speculate Deepak was claiming that "Yard" containers purchased at C&C were discarded following the Marriot Beach dropoff.

However ... I do not adhere to the Marriot Beach dropoff.  I believe this account is nothing but a smokescreen to obscure the truth.  Think about it ... the gardener observed Deepak, Joran and Satish in Deepak's vehicle parked across the street from the Marriot Beach at 2:30 PM.

Janet

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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

I had parked my car in the parking lot behind "Carlos & Charlies" with the front side of my car parked towards the wall of "Carlos & Charlies". We got out and walked towards "Carlos & Charlies". At that time it was approximately 00:30 hours. We walked straight to the bar. Joran had bought us something to drink. He hadn't asked us what we wanted, because he already knew what we liked to drink. He had bought three "YARDS" with whisky coke.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

I do remember that I saw them walking off hand in hand. I drove out of the street to get back onto the road and proceeded driving into the direction of my house. I do remember that in front of the “Marriot Hotel” Satish asked me to stop momentarily. I did what he asked me, Satish rolled down his window and threw out the two “Yards”.

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Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

On May 29th 2005 we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 23.30 hours and 23.45 hours. That night at Carlos & Charlies we each drank a "Yard". I only had a "Yard" that night in Carlos & Charlies. My brother also only had one "Yard". Joran had drunk a "Yard" and a "body shot". Joran also had a shot of another drink. I do not know what kind of drink that is. I saw that the girl Natalee also drank a shot of the drink together with Joran. We that night left Carlos & Charlies at approximately 01.15.

Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

After I had refused to dance with Natalee Deepak, Satish and myself walked to the bar. There we bought a "Yard Whisky Coke". Such a drink costs U.S. $ 12,-. It is a plastic cup and it comes in different colours. I payed for all three drinks. I got a red cup but I do not remember now what colour cups Deepak and Satish got.

Could we go back to the trip Paulus supposedly took to Miami?  When did this happen?  Was this before the Greta/Beth interview at the Sloots?  Do we have any idea who floated that story at first?  I would love to be able to narrow a timeframe for this trip. TIA

Blonde...maybe Papa was on a shoe buying expedition...ROFL....

Joran and his drinking...before he even bought the Kalpoes their drinks he had already gulped one down with someone.  Do we know who this was?

Deepak Kalpoe June 11, 2005

When we got inside we walked to the bar. At the bar Joran talked to a boy I know by face only. He had bought a drink for him and the boy. The drink is called "Carribean Motherfucker".

Thanks for the explanation, Destiny!! This "letter" is now the big focus, isn't it? I sure hope it is "handwritten"!!!! We could learn so much!!  ::MonkeyTongue::

"No man has a good enough memory to make a successfull liar."
Abraham Lincoln
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Deepak and Joran could not get their declarations straight in regards to the Natalee Holloway encounter at C&C's.

Janet
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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

At that time it was approximately 00:30 hours. We walked straight to the bar. Joran had bought us something to drink. He hadn't asked us what we wanted, because he already knew what we liked to drink. He had bought three "YARDS" with whisky coke. We walked to the podium/stage. Podium/stage is a floor-elevation where one dances. We went and watched. I estimate that about seventy people were present or more, maybe. We stood there with the three of us talking. Shortly after that, I estimate about three to four minutes, Joran was called over by a girl, by means of a hand gesture (with the girl is Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY is meant; comment reporting officers). By the way the girl was dancing, I assumed that she was reasonable intoxicated. Joran had made it known by hand gesture that he didn't want to come to her.
"YARDS" with whisky coke.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

When we entered Carlos & Charlies I was greeted by the girl who is printed on the picture. When we got in I saw that Natalee was dancing on the stage/podium. I saw that Natalee wasn't holding a drink. The friend of Natalee said to me to go and dance with Natalee because she fancied me. I took her word for it that Natalee was interested in me. Natalee made hand gestures for me to come and dance with her. I also did not see Natalee with a purse/handbag. She did this about seven to eight times. After I had refused to dance with Natalee Deepak, Satish and myself walked to the bar. There we bought a "Yard Whisky Coke". Such a drink costs U.S. $ 12,-. It is a plastic cup and it comes in different colours. I payed for all three drinks.

Poor little Satish..he didn't have his story straight on May 31 but by the next interrogation the details were much clearer...hmmmmm.

All three of us walked to the bar and my brother Deepak bought a whisky coke for me and also a drink for himself. Joran also bought an alcoholic drink for himself.

If you add up all the drinks Joran bought just in the 30 minutes or so it would be around $100 including tips. Thats a lot of money for a 17 year old to spend when arriving just 30 minutes before the bar was closing on a school night.

This evil little woman and a few of her followers were bragging for months about this Documentary at FOK and other Dutch boards. They were trying to build up Gielen like she was this great researcher and everyone should hold there breath until this documentary comes out. Problem is no one in there right mind will touch her lies and misinformation. Aint that right GBMW?

Maybe that was miss Gielen herself under different nics :D
I'm curious about the documentary though. Because of her reputation I wonder why Dave gave her an interview? The strangest thing about this is Peter Ranzijn for me....I know that cameraman and wouldn't figure him for being such a fool....maybe he needed the work :D

I did check Prive today; the article suggests that Peter R. de Vries is working on the case and has gotten some more proof when it comes to daddy Paulus helping out....it states that Peter has been on Aruba a couple of times recently to talk to the ALE.

It's a tabloid....but this isn't the first I've heard this...that Peter found more proof on Paulus. I'm just hoping it's true and that this will actually lead to something positive for the case.

Thanks, Janet.  I agree with you on the sinister part.  I was just wondering what they gave as a reason for stopping.

Didn't Jossy tell Dana that ALE had the shoe and he didn't think they were doing anything with it?  Of course, they might have sent it to Holland for forensic analysis, or it could be in Jacobs' trunk with the rest of the evidence, or it could be in the incinerator with Deepak's back seat................If pressed, they might tell us they found chocolate.  That was the show when some thought Jossy didn't sound like himself, but he usually doesn't report things without something to back it up.   ::MonkeyConfused::  Aruba needs a No Spin Zone.  Someone who will grill people about contradictory reports. 

Yep Wreck...I've been told that it does exist...I've asked for it...I'll be doing a ringy dingy after lunch time...let's see how far I can get with this new focus...Klaas..I'll be doing a follow-up on that email I forwarded to you last night too ;-)  ::MonkeyCool::

Destiny

Blackmail comes to mind...

True,she could have but I'm thinking if she was in the house of horrors and IF she got a chance to get away.....she didn't make it very far. :*(

If true, this is more proof that there are those in Aruba who have information about the corrupt investigation, but who are they supposed to go to when the Dutch all seem to stick together.  Even if there are honest Dutch authorities in their midst, they'd have no way of knowing who to trust. 

p.s.  I'm not crying a river for anyone in Aruba, simply saying that there are those who don't like what's happened in this case and probably others. 

GBMW:

Sure is a lot of Peters in Holland  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Do you know Peter Schouten? I know he sent the first chapter to Beth but has not yet fullfilled his nice campaign he wrote to me about. Also..Dave gave that interview to RG so he could set some very bad misinformation straight.
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Hi ,

 

Patrick is heavily involved in writing together with E.E. Byars, but of course will one day come to Scaredmonkeys. I have contact with Dana Pretzer and XXX. Since today I’m blogging on blogfornatalee.com as ‘Spokesman Patrick’ and am also willing to do so on ScaredMonkeys so indeed get me approved. I’m also thinking of a nice campaign for all of you scaredmonkeys to get the exclusive read of Patrick’s first chapter, but need to solve a few legal details.

 

The last two weeks the press attacks in Holland were stupid, mean and fierce but I managed to counter them. It would be nice if you put the first part of your message as comment on Patrick’s website (patrickvandereem.nl).

 

Greetings,

 

Peter Schouten.

*******

Think about it.  Underage Joran had the run of these drinking and gambling establishments.  I suspect that Joran, Deepak, Satish and the pimps along with Freddy's camera were all participants of one aspect of the underground ecomony of Aruba ... pornography.

Janet

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Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.  

Maybe that was miss Gielen herself under different nics :D
I'm curious about the documentary though. Because of her reputation I wonder why Dave gave her an interview? The strangest thing about this is Peter Ranzijn for me....I know that cameraman and wouldn't figure him for being such a fool....maybe he needed the work :D

I did check Prive today; the article suggests that Peter R. de Vries is working on the case and has gotten some more proof when it comes to daddy Paulus helping out....it states that Peter has been on Aruba a couple of times recently to talk to the ALE.

It's a tabloid....but this isn't the first I've heard this...that Peter found more proof on Paulus. I'm just hoping it's true and that this will actually lead to something positive for the case.
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This Camera man GBMW ?
they use a handycam  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I too listened to that show...that is why I was surprised when Jossy said that ALE has the shoe...

But maybe it's better to say that..then say...everyone has photos only of the shoe...I hate that shoe!

Well it certainly was not Drug Dealing as far as I am concerned,at least not Joran or Satish and I doubt Deepak. Joran may have sold a little X but I do not see anything more then that. I can't prove it but I am sure they were involved in pornography,not necesarily making much money off of it but thats what these Pimps did for there own conquests and enjoyment. I still believe there is a connection to bangbus and the pink patrol and that is why PVDS went to FLA and probably the motive for that night.

As far as how Joran got his money? Thats a good question as I would think that link would be the casino,probably the Excelsior. I do not believe these pimps made much money from pornography nor do I believe they drugged many female tourists,I believe Joran graduated from drugging a few local girls and taking pictures of them. They took it to the next level after meeting a porn producer or a older sexual deviant with $$.IMO

Where does he get all that money from??????

It's NOT normal!!!!!

  .... and "Richards" too  ::MonkeyCool::

The above should have read ... Joran, Deepak, Satish and the pimps are participants in TWO aspects of the underground economy of Aruba ... PORNOGRAPHY AND FIXED GAMBLING.

Janet

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EXCELSIOR CASINO

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39 - Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."  My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.


RADISSON CASINO

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.  

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino. I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks.   I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".

That type of shoe where I live would be considered a "skaters" (skateboard) shoe.  Of course I dont see many pimps. ::MonkeyHaHa::

If Joran was illegally gambling and drinking without the knowledge of the "powers that be" ... logic dictates that he would have been held accountable ... not just for underage gambling and drinking ... but for just setting foot on the premises of these establishments.

The "powers that be" cannot touch Joran ... both Joran and Paulus could bring them all down.

As ******* implied ... the Natalee Holloway case goes far beyond the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen.

Janet

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John Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 11, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/

If underage Joran van der Sloot was not a participant in the underground economy of Aruba in regards to pornography and fixed gambling ...

1.  Why is he allowed onto the premises of the drinking and gambling establishments?

2.  Why is he afforded VIP passes as well as open lines of credit?

3.  Where does he accumulate the bucks to support this lifestyle?

4.  Why is he now subjected to legal accountability in regards to the Natalee Holloway case?

Janet

All great points, Janet! I have thought from very early on that these "pimps" were like junior members of the mob. I STILL think Deepak's car actually belongs to Joran. Deepak is the "caretaker" of it since Joran is underage. Remember when Charles Croes asked the locals at the beach who drives a silver honda??? They all yelled out "Joran".

Destiny - Is it known where the exact location of that grafitti K Swiss was photographed? 
If so, has anyone looked to see if it is still there?
Or was it put there for purpose of photographing and/or??..and removed.
Is the location important? or a message to someone?  Otherwise, couldn't the photo of the shoe been taken anywhere? ...the holder's home, for instance?
ALE said the shoe was a small woman's shoe.  Were they able to determine this from the photo only, when the KSwiss mfg. could not?
Very intriguing...
Please correct if there is something I have misunderstood.
Thank you for all that you do!

It bothers me also that the first place charles went the kids identified Joran with just a description of Deepaks car.
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Satish PV 6-10-05

 What kind of a car does Deepak have?

My brother has a Honda Civic, colour grey, built in 1999 I think and I don't know the license plate number.

When did Deepak buy the car?

According to me Deepak bought the car two years ago. I don't know when exactly.

From who did Deepak buy this car?

Deepak bought the car from a boy named David. I don't know further details about David. David lives on Aruba.
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Deepak PV 6-13-05

To your question from whom I bought the car, I can say the following. I bought the car from a man called David GROSS. He works at a company called "Carufa". I must tell you that when they installed the sound in my car, they used a lot of glue and seal/sealant under the carpet of the car. They had to remove the carpets to pull new cables through the car. You can verify this at "Automotive Enterprises". The man who installed it is called Osman OSMAN. I don't know if anyone had an accident with this car prior to it being sold to me.

Maybe the car really is Deepak's but Joran was helping him pay for it?  That would give Joran the edge to use it as he pleases....slaves and all. :roll:

Does anyone remember when Paulus was supposed to have taken that trip to Miami?  Could he even get out of Aruba without someone knowing?  Who did he meet in Miami?  Could Paulus have sent someone else to Miami instead?

The only slave I see here is Satish..Awful nice of him to clean his brothers car and drive him to work and watch over it when he was working.

S.K. PV 6-13-05
To answer your question when it was the last time Deepak´s car was cleaned: The last time Deepak and I cleaned the car it was Sunday May 29, 2005, during the evening. The car is cleaned once a week. Usually by me. The car wash usually takes place on Fridays and Saturdays during the afternoon. Sunday May 29, 2005 was the only exception. But the cleaning happened, as I said, because of the ants that entered the car.

What exactly did Joran do at the club as a intern? Did he have keys?

S.K. PV 6-13-05 snip

When he picked me up we went straight to the Racquet Club, near Marriot. My brother told me we were going to Joran. He is an intern at the club. In front of the entrance of the club the three of us met and talked. We talked about what happened. Joran told him the police called him to take him to drive the route. We told him which route we drove so he knew where to go. We spoke for about 15 minutes. We did not speak long because the police was on its way to pick up Joran. After that we drove straight home. At home my brother and I finished our sister´s home work. It had to be finished the next day. As we were busy my brother got a phone call from Joran. My brother told me we had to go to Joran´s later on. After we finished our sister´s work we went to Joran. I drove the car to his house.

During the days after that Thursday, we met Joran more often to discuss the case of Natalee. I have to tell though, we could never talk alone because Joran´s father came between us all the time, to hear what we had to say. Joran´s father wanted to know everything but we did not tell him the truth. Except Freddy, nobody knew we left Joran and the girl behind at the Marriot Beach. To answer your question whether Joran drives his parents' car every now and then, I can say he has no driver´s license. His parents do not allow him to drive the car, and he even does not do that in secret. Joran can drive a car, however. He once drove my mother´s car.

*******, this is from Grande's bucket... could this be the same place David works? probably not.. but the spelling is similar. I have never heard of a business called "Carufa"...

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Hi *******…I could not find anything on David or ‘Carufa’ when I checked.

Paulus was surprised to see the Mountain Brook group as early as he did, as the planes didn’t arrive before Thursday. Was service to Aruba only from Thursday to Monday at that time?

Anyone remember how long that Val and Sebastian were in the States, IIRC they arrived on June 22nd or 23rd., and were supposed to have stayed a few weeks?  Plenty of van der Sloots here in the US for them to have stayed with, from Michigan to Florida..TIA

# 3 I can speculate on how he possibly did earn money while in Aruba. My guess would be small scale money laundering. Some one , say Posner at Excelsior Casino, for example, might pay Joran, and each of the gambling PIMPS say $500 dollars a night in illegal money. The minute they cash the money in--for chips--it becomes legal. They gamble, they win some, they loose some...they generate activity at the tables and it encourages tourists to gamble (hey this kid can play so will I?, maybe I'll even take his money or hey this table/game seems interesting I'll play?, similar to being the first one out on the dance floor...). After Joran is there for an hour or so.....cashes in his chips ...goes to another casino, same scenario. Multiply this X several PIMPS X several casinos X multiple nights per week. Joran ends up making himself money from what he is initially given. JMO

There was a dialogue a while back on this forum that implied that  there was a room set up at the HI for pornographic purposes.

According to Joran's declaraction ... he tried immediately after leaving C&C's to convince Natalee to go back to the Holiday Inn.  However ... Natalee rejected this suggestion.

I think that they is the "quick stop" within a block of C&C ... the "quick stop" that David Kock referred to ... was all about contacting the pimps that there was a change of plans ... the VDS' residence was the meeting place.

Janet

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Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

Then Satish, Natalee and myself walked to Deepak's car. Natalee and I walked hand in hand. When we arrived at the car Deepak was already waiting for us. We got into the car and before Deepak drove off I told Deepak and Satish that Natalee wanted to go to my house but that I could not take her there because my father and brothers were home. After I told Deepak and Satish this they said it was OK. Then I told the girl that I could not take her to my house but that I could come to her hotel room. She answered me that she did not want to go to her hotel room and that she wanted to go to the North coast to watch the sharks.  

To your question as to what Natalee meant by wanting to go to my house, I answer you the following. With this Natalee according to me meant that she wanted to have fleshly intercourse with me. I could see from her body language that she wanted to have fleshly intercourse me.

The Kalpoes were even asked about Val and whether he could drive a car...I agree with wreck - Joran's car!  Deepak may have been the driver.

Keeping my fingers crossed on the paulus angle GB...thanks for the update!!

Mum, I find this hard to believe. I used to take an Apple Charter. I would stay Saturday to Saturday. And sometimes I would stay 10 or 11 days and would have to take AA and they would be coming and going all week, and several times a day - once in the morning and once in the evening for sure.

Tamikosmom...Good Morning...Do you have the interview where Beth ws asked about or talked about the shoe? Also IIRC there was one from Dompig and one from Jossy. I am really interested as to the date the shoe information came out1 Thanks in Advance!

Hello Mum :) The family in the U.S. here likes it spelled vandersloot and not van der sloot ..lol  and there are lots of them in Michigan. Back when I use to observe the site meter a bit I was watching one of them at MSU who watched our every posts a while back. If you go to facebook.com you will see several vandersloots at that university and one of them teaches there. Of course there are others around the country.
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Thanks Rob...I know this was posted about recently and that is all I know on it.

Caps, if you are still here...is this incorrect, that planes didn't arrive in Aruba until Thursday in 2005?  TIA

maybe numbnuts Paulus thought they might arrive by cruise ship. Those arrive usually on Wednesday.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Isn't Peter Schouten the mediaguy for Peter R. de Vries as well? I think I saw his name in our agenda as well for Peter R. de Vries....

Have you e-mailed him about it recently or asked Patrick through his website about it?

I just don't trust Gielen....and have doubts whether she interviewed Dave with integrity in her mind...that's all.

Thanks ******* on the David Gross info...Michigan - Zedans - right smack in the middle of Paul Brough territory! Same towns as that PetClinix article!

Hey Des, I have been emailing and calling for the phone number for 8 or so days now. I think he has it, but can't find it. sheesh!!!

I'm not sure I can get it... I'm sorry, please accept my apology. I tried my best and didn't want you to think I have forgotten.

*******......do you know which of the vandersloots here are related to Paulus? I found the ones in Michigan after seeing Val's pic from Michigan. I would like to know who Val and Sebastian stayed with in June 2005 and in which state.  TIA

KLAAS...nanner basket...rush...

Destiny

Don't worry Sweetums...I'll get it....I have my ways ;-)

The answer is simple - ALE lies.  Just more disinformation.  If I had to place a bet, I would say that the shoes he was wearing were the blue and white ones that were mentioned in his statement and the ones that he was wearing in the award ceremony shortly before Natalee disappeared.  Urine made a point of showing the white K-Swiss shoea during the interview to throw more confusion into the investigation.  I have actually thought that the recently found shoe could actually belong to Joran.  The shoe could be an old one that no longer fits.  I wonder if Val, Anita, or Paulass placed the shoe and sent the letter to create even more confusion.  It just doesn't fit that Urine was wearing those white K-Swiss shoes the night that Natalee disappeared.

I still can't believe you saw all those places here in the states..You lucky girl! :)

Yes,I believe he works with Peter R as well. He probably isn't very happy with me and no I havent had any contact with him since.

No one trusts Gielen except her friend Anita and we all know what her intentions are. She cannot and will never have the same interests in her reporting as she did in her last documentary,everyone is on to her and officials like Mos have have gone on record that she has no credibility. Also that article by the telegraaf reporter really was excellent and informed many people about the real Rene'e Gielen.

I cannot say for sure which Van Der Sloots are directly related to this family either here in the U.S or in Holland. I do have my suspicions though. Did you check out the vandersloots on facebook.com in Michigan? Could one of those little rascals be one of our trolls?

Val has a pic in Michigan? I do not know which state they went to or who they stayed with. If I recall correctly they said Family,although they seem to have various friends in several states. PVDS even had the gall to tell one of them in Carolina on June 11th 2005 that NH and Joran were doing drugs,she hit her head and drowned.

The pic from Michigan was with a girl, and I just saw it a couple of days back! May have been in the Important Documents thread! Will have a look at facebook right now!

North Carolina?  Was that to do with the kid that went to ISA with Joran? I recall the woman in a store talking to a customer, I think her name was Rosa Parker, can't recall his right now! I think NC popped up a couple of times!  TIA

Michigan?  Well that explains our obnoxious poster from Michigan that thought the sun could rise and set in Joran pants.   Maybe also explains why there is nothing in Joran's pants. Hmmmm!   :roll:

You peeked!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I suspect "the shoes" are a non issue ... a distraction ... a smokescreen to distance the real issues that implicate Joran, Deepak, Satish and Joran in the events encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.

I speculate that "the shoes" are a topic that the "powers that be" in Aruba is focusing on as they go through the motions of attempting to convince America that a genuine investigation is taking place.

******* is correct.  Why was there not an image of the "missing" shoes ever provided to the media?

Why? I contend ... the "powers that be" would have to concede ... they did not have a clue.  In June 2005 ... in his declaractions ... Joran van der Sloot had identified the "missing" shoes as white sneakers ... tan boots ... blue and white sneakers and ... then in March 2006 reverted back to white sneakers.

In August 2008 ... Royland Tromp stated that in one of Joran's declarations he implied that he "might" have lost a pair of shoes.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

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Aruban police seek suspect's shoes
Another Van der Sloot interview, landfill search expected Tuesday
Tuesday, August 2, 2005 Posted

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban authorities investigating the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway are looking for a pair of size-14 tennis shoes  that suspect Joran van der Sloot might have lost, a police official said.

"He says he might have lost a pair of sneakers on the beach the night Natalee disappeared," said lead police investigator Roy Tromp. "That's what he claims in one of his many statements."

Tromp said the 17-year-old suspect described the shoes as white and blue and brand new.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/01/aruba.missing/index.html

Janet...there was a room set up in the basement of Lorenzos' house for that purpose...

Destiny

MUM:

I can't remember those peoples names in N.Carolina at the moment but you got the correct story. I do know that the timing of this story fits the events of June 10th and 11th 2005 that we all know. The N.E. reported some very important things on this case and some of them are fact.
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Two of those sources are Jim Dooley, a South Carolina job recruiter for the health care industry, and his wife, Bella.

In an exclusive interview, the Dooleys said they contacted the FBI after learning of Joran's confession to his dad during a shopping trip to a clothing store in Charlotte, N.C. The date was June 11, just a few days after Aruba police had arrested Joran and the Kalpoe brothers as "persons of interest" in the case.

Dooley said the clerk at the clothing store told him that she and her husband are very good friends with Joran's dad, Paulus van der Sloot, and his wife, Anita. Her own son had attended school with Joran on the island and was a close pal.

The clerk told Dooley: "Joran told his father that he and Natalee had all been drinking and taking drugs at the nightclub. The father specifically mentioned they took Ecstasy. Joran told his father that when they left the club, they went to a beach on the island. Natalee was very ill and threw up several times.

"Then she fell and hit her head on something. Joran checked her and realized she was dead.


The clerk continued: "Paulus van der Sloot is very worried. This was an accidental death but his son is likely to end up going to jail because it looks like he was covering up a murder.

"But Paulus admitted telling his son that if a body wasn't found, there could be a chance he'd get out of jail."

According to another source close to the case, Robert Werner, headmaster of the International School of Aruba, where Joran attended classes, also said that Paulus van der Sloot admitted to him his son confessed that Natalee died accidentally in a fall on a beach.

The source revealed: "Paulus told the headmaster that Joran and Natalee had been taking drugs and decided to go for a swim. As they played in and around the water, Natalee fell, hit her head on a rock and drowned. In a drug and alcohol-induced panic, Joran felt he had no other choice but to dispose of Natalee's body in the sea."

Paulus van der Sloot was arrested himself on June 23, a week after the Dooleys reported their conversation with the clerk to the FBI.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63315
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As The National Enquirer reported last week, police theorize that Natalee died accidentally, possibly drowning after she fell and hit her head in a drug-induced stupor. Police also believe Joran confessed to his father that Natalee had taken ecstasy and when she died, Joran panicked and decided to get rid of the body. But he needed help — and knew where to find it.

"Joran is believed to be friends with a known ecstasy dealer in Aruba and police think that's where he got the drug," said the source.

"When Natalee died, Joran got in touch with the dealer. The theory is that the dealer had an incentive to dispose of her body so that police wouldn't trace the drugs back to him. But the dealer made it clear to Joran that if he talked he'd disappear too."

On a similar note, police are investigating whether Paulus, a former justice department official, helped his son get rid of Natalee's body by contacting shady characters he knows.

"The police are looking into Paulus van der Sloot's finances and whether he might be connected to mobsters that may have ties to Aruba's casino business," said the source. "Paulus is a known high-stakes poker player."

After examining Joran's cell phone and computer, police discovered that someone tried to manipulate the clocks and calendars inside the devices so it would look like the messages were sent at different times.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63316

My secret is out!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sorry ... no link for the Greta/Beth interview.  I tried goggling (sounds obscene LOL) ... no luck.  It could be one of Heli's transcripts.

Nancy Grace tries but ... Jossy Mansur does not commit himself to the "one" shoe theory.

Janet

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Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
December 6, 2005

TWITTY: You know Greta now that you mention it I was looking through my journal and there was an update from an FBI official and also from our family liaison that in one of Joran Van der Sloot's tennis shoes there was blood. I had written that down. I wish that I had been able to obtain more information as to what happened to that one shoe if that was truly blood in his shoe. You know Greta like I said we are just so limited in any type of information we can get.

VAN SUSTEREN: : Are you suggesting that they did find one of the pair of shoes and that they seized that?

TWITTY: Yes, when I was looking back through my notes there was a date where we received this information either from the FBI or our family liason that there was blood in Joran's tennis shoe.

VAN SUSTEREN:: I suppose, of course if there is blood you would be out of your mind not to test the blood to see if it's JVDS blood or not. Do you know if they any testing was done on that shoe?

TWITTY: No, we don't know we never heard the results of any DNA, if we did hear it was 2 1/2 months later but we never heard anything definitive about the shoe.

VAN SUSTEREN: I take it if you heard it was his blood then you would have recalled you got the final results. And let me see if I got this straight you can't recall getting any results on the blood in that shoe if indeed it was blood in the shoe?

TWITTY: No, it was only mentioned one time throughout my journal. Only once.


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 9, 2005
 
TWITTY: ...I mean, I think we need to stay focused on the bloody tennis shoe that was found...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10439299/


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
February 23, 2006
 
GRACE: ... Beth, why did he leave his shoes behind?

TWITTY: You know, that`s been a question all along, Nancy. And I really couldn`t figure out if there was one tennis shoe that he left behind or if it were both.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/ng.01.html


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 28, 2005

GRACE: Very quickly, to Jossy Mansur with "Diario," he repeatedly advertises the reward for Natalee Holloway up to $1 million tonight for her safe return, $100,000 for evidence as to her whereabouts.

Jossy Mansur, what can you tell us about this theory floating around out there that a shoe is involved, a lost shoe belonging to either van der Sloot or the Kalpoe brothers?

MANSUR: Well, that`s a fact that`s been going around for quite some time now, that he was barefoot when he walked back home and that he lost his shoe somewhere either on the beach or over here at the pond.

snip

GRACE: And Jossy, before we go break, could you explain to me about this shoe again? I'm not getting -- how do we know? Why do we suspect that Joran van der Sloot left behind one of his shoes?

MANSUR: That came out of some kind of a statement somewhere. I don`t know, either. I can`t pinpoint the exact time or place where he said that, or where they found out he`s missing his shoes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/28/ng.01.html

Lala'sMom,
Sorry, have been gone for a while. I read about the trip to Miami here at Scared Monkeys, so it must be in one of the early threads. IIRC, everyone was surprised he went to Miami (it definitely was Miami, although he could have gone someplace from there), seemed like he returned the same or the next day, and no one knew he was gone until he returned. Was Val in Miami at that apartment at that time?  I've never seen it mentioned again after it was first mentioned here.

Thanks...Tamikosmom for the info on the shoes...it was Tromp, not Dompig, but I thought I recalled Julu/August. Google is my friend!

Thanks...******* on the NC info, just read it a while back, but still needed a refresher! think there is one more NC name or connection, but can't place it right now!

The Shango Riddle, which first popped up on an Aruba-related blog forum

wich blog/forum was that ?

Good question...I remember the discussions, but no details.  Several of our monkeys had that story almost pinned down and then we ventured off in other directions or we were lead off by some that were placed strategically to confuse. A few names come to mind. :roll:

Shango is everywhere and nowhere...Shango was on the front page of Scared Monkeys.  He and Simian seemed to love that venue at the time.

I just wanted to wish Vicki a safe trip and I think you are a remarkeable person for all your efforts in making sure Natalee has a voice at these travel shows. Godspeed!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

It is not too late for others to make the trip as this is once in a lifetime opportunity and it will be worth every second of your time. I attended two of these events and they both came at a bad time for me and terrible weather,but I am so glad I was able to make it. I know I would be kicking myself forever if I didnt show up.

If you ever wanted to do something for Natalee Holloway this is the event! This is the opportunity for you to make a real difference. You have the knowledge and the interest but do you have the desire to tell Natalee's story to clueless people who think it's all over and bit hard into the misinformation? Are you able to tell people the Hell that Beth and Dave have gone through? If you don't go who will? You can't always rely on others and if something has to be done,the only way to make sure of it,is to do it yourself. People are desperately needed for this event and if you live on the East Coast,please go as Natalee is depending on you.


This lady did it all by herself and in the capitol of Aruba..If she isn't a inspiration along with Dave and Beth's fight to find there daughter and the truth..Then I don't know what is.

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roflmao, now come clean the diet coke off my screen and keyboard, you clown.
dennisintn

I have often said I must have been a comedian in my other life.   ::MonkeyCool::

here my friend

With each body that washes up on the costa di Aruba - I am left wondering about poor Natalee and if she will ever be found.

Let's face it - bodies do wash up and that alone proofs a lying scumbag named Joran Van Der Sloot. He could not have walked her out and released her. That goes against the scientific tests that concluded that unless the bodies were more than 2.5 miles out - they returned TO ARUBA.

possibilities - from the beginning.

in a crypt - she will never be found - against the law to open a crypt - even for Natalee, and I doubt anyone will be allowing that to happen - EVER.

in a container found at sea by the Persistence Crew - best hope for finding Natalee. IMO

cremation - she will never be found - and there would be very few people that would have this knowledge and it is certainly protected knowledge. It's take it to your grave knowledge.

buried on the island - I have a hard to time seeing this as a possibility - someone could stumble upon her and Paulus still seem confidant that she is not going to be found. It's hard for me to see him taking this risk. Stranger things have happened, but for me, it's too risky when you are facing life in prison and your family demolished.

the ALE had her since at least day 3 to 10 - a strong possibility here for me. They do not want her found or would be helping to look, no matter the expense. The ALE does not seem motivated to help independents and throws roadblocks where they can. That alone tells me they could have had her this entire time.

all just my opinion - 

I would like to wish Vicki the very best, and thank her for her continued efforts. I will be with her in spirit.

Rob:

Let me ask you something..You recall that Art Wood interviewed a backhoe operater in Aruba that said he did work for PVDS shortly after NH dissapeared..Art said he was very credible and very nervous. IF someone else came forward that said he helped PVDS pour concrete not only at the pool area but elsewhere..Would you consider that NH may have been buried on that island under concrete?

I am not saying this a true scenario..Just a question is all..

sure *******, I remember... there are monks that speak to Art. I think there is a blond on a motorcycle that still speaks to him.  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Maybe she could ask?

yes, to answer your question. I would consider that a possibility. As we have seen with many criminals over the last three + years they get the heck outta dodge as fast as possible - not the Sloots. Maybe they are staying to "protect" that house and preventing me from buying it. I would take out a loan at CMB for the sake price and put 10% down, close on the loan, accept the deed and demolish the house piece by piece and ship it to Quantico Virginia and then default on the loan before one payment could be made...

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

F00K CMB  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Pretty funny Rob
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This story caught my eye today..I wonder just how many on that island practice black magic or witchcraft? I havent read much about it,but the animal sacrafice,blood and candles at the cemetary around or on the 3 year mark caught my attention.

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*******, there is one area of the pool / concrete theory that does have me a little bit perplexed. On Aruba - everything is ordered in advance. They have no manufacturing base. So when the Sloots order the furniture it could have been ordered months in advance in just arrived when the Dana's truck showed up. Unless it is of course stock merchandise.

same with the concrete. That stuff I assume is cargo'd in and people probably wait in line to have the cement work completed. I have seen houses down there that have not moved more than one inch from the summer to Carnival (a span of more than 7 months) due to the fact that the block or other materials have not arrived and the people to preform the work are not available. Needless to say - it all moves at a snails pace. It takes forever to get anything completed.

You know that new mall across from the old CnC (now Senor Frog)?? it took like three years to complete that thing. Here, where I live, that would have taken about 4 months max.

so, I just wonder if the Sloots had the concrete previously scheduled and it just coincided... or it coincides and Natalee ended up under it. It's a tricky area. But I don't think they could have a dead body in the house and just pick up the phone and automatically schedule the concrete work. Aruba just doesn't work like that. Everything has to be planned well in advance.

Birthdays in Solo Di Pueblo 6-19-08

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hi monkeys ant new news ?

his blackmagic and Anita's ridiculous art collection should be shown together. With wine and cheese of course.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

each nut on Aruba just seems nuttier.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'll check the papers right now..

Rob:

I do not think Natalee is buried on that property. He may have used that concrete/backhoe  work around his house to his advantage as a cover for doing a little job elsewhere. If anyone ever asked,he could verify the work done around the pool at his house. Your probably right,but I am still highly suspicious.

I WILL say...that I've been told that an Aruban woman...has come forth...very recently...claiming that a *relative* of hers...did work for Paulus...and that person went missing almost 3 yrs. ago....that Woman has given information to a contact of mine...that her missing relative, who worked for Paulus...told her, what Paulus asked him/payed him...to do when Natalee went missing...This Woman has now come foward with her story...it is being checked out by someone on Aruba...BTW...a short segment about this woman...was in an issue of Diario too....

Destiny

stripped car found

chollar situation at a restaurant

another night time robbery

a transformer caught fire and the fire dept actually showed up. Not sure if they brought their trucks this time.

car accidents.

Edwin Duijenveld will be held 8 more days.

I see something about the Public Ministry - not sure what's going on there.

nothing about either tourist who was assaulted.

and of course, lots of certificates being handed out.

Well lets not hold back now..Someone haul Jossy's ass in here so he can tell us about the sex party's and the Mafia connections with Paul Van Der Sloot. Woops I forgot he doesnt talk publicly about those two subjects and doesnt talk much at all anymore about what really happened or the cover up.  ::MonkeyConfused::

ahh huh  ::MonkeyRoll::

hey we are talkin' bout the van der Sloots here. The Devil broke the mold when he created this clan of roving megalomaniacs... you're right to be highly suspicious. Anyone in their right mind would be. They're certifiably crazy.

*******, i'm in total agreement with you on that, and it all deserves repeating
dennisintn

As I told another Monkey on the phone a couple of days ago...HI!!!!

I've done a lot of research on the superstions on Aruba...starting with the religious beliefs of the originals on Aruba...believe it or not...the *locals*...not Dutch...are very superstitious...and still to this day perform daily rituals...based on their long ago origins...

Destiny

Well, this is VERY interesting, Destiny.  I'm encouraged when the talk centers around Paulus, because IMO, he is at the center of Natalee's disappearance.  I'm encouraged that DeVries is pursuing this direction as well.  As Paulus is finally exposed, things should get interesting.

Why do I think anyone tangling with Paulus ends up missing or dead?  Dead men carry no tales...very true.  It's the old pirate mentality once again...the Caribbean has lived by that code forever...just the faces change.

Lala's...methinks...you are right on!

Yes and when you mix a evil pirate with a lawyer you may hear something like this.."No corpse no case" If there are other murders connected to this case and just one of them is proven this case will explode.

Destiny, I know about a missing Aruban woman, and have posted about it many times. This missing woman has been missing since well before Natalee. I was told about it on my last trip to Aruba when someone mentioned it. She was missing about a year or so before and when I mentioned it to Renfro she said she didn't know but would find out (this is when she was still here at SM and not banished to the hell of the rest of the net). So, anyway Renfro said she found out about it and contacted the woman's family and said she was depressed and thought it was a suicide.

That's the last we heard of that woman, and Renfro would not give me (us) the name of the woman and said it was a private matter.

there ya go.

*******...do you ever feel that we Monkeys have finally dug under the crust of the *putrid* pot pie...and it's uncovered and exposed to light...all I see are maggots....

The best thing for a witness or accomplice is to contact the FBI and get into a witness protection situation...only thing that bothers me is they would eventually find the person that tattled. Giving up everyone you ever knew and leaving your family at risk is not going to happen in Aruba.  The person that can make or break this case would have to be courageous beyond our imagination.  These drug cartels don't mess around...they don't need to...they have people paid to do their dirty work.  Paulus has the goods on a very powerful person somewhere or this would have already ended with a body washing ashore that we would recognize.  IMO

Rob...email me the details...I'll see if I can get a name and some details....Renho>>>>sicko money grubbing beotch......

I read the posts regarding the missing woman, but had NO IDEA she had any connection to Paulus. 

 :shock:

by the way, one more comment on Renfro. Most people fluffah their way to the top... in Renfro's case she fluffah'd herself to the bottom in record time.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

no idea if this is the same person. I do know her car was also never ever evah found. I was hoping that Tim Miller and TES would stumble upon it - no such luck Helen.

Absolutely and I am ready for justice. It is all starting to crumble,it's gonna happen and it's going to be huge,reading about that Govt everyday just amazes me they can continue like this. One more murder,one more lie,one more scandal or Joran opens his mouth just one more time..Someone is gonna crack.

No it is not the same person. Destiny is talking about a man who is connected to PVDS.

It's a big fat can of worms, and it opens a little more each day.  Plus Destiny has a can opener!  How much crap have they hidden from the world, before we all started watching so closely?  I think the close scrutiny is KILLING THEM!

It's all starting to fall apart.........and I can't wait to watch.  Please pass the popcorn.

I think Joran is now "whackable"... they can't take many more chances with that maniac.

I *think* when the TRUTH comes out about Paulus many will be shocked... not us... but world wide jaws will drop.

it will shock the world

that statement is not about a 17 year old.

I have a bunch of questions...these darn things have been nagging at me and since my mower battery is dead and I am recharging I have time to ask them...so here goes.  Didn't want to cut grass today anyway. LOL

Why does Rudy Croes not remove the Sloots from the island? 
Has Joran not seen any of his family lately? If he can't go to Aruba, how does mommy keep up with him?
Where does all this money to fly around the globe come from?
How much money does Paulus get to play lawyer? What is that in comparison to what that family spends?
How can Val fly around the world too?  Where is the money?
What is Anita's salary?
If the shoe is not Joran's and it's not someone else's what was the purpose of the photos?
What happened to Daury?  Still in jail?
Why does a U.S. judge continue to allow the Kalpoe suit to be in play?
Who told the Kalpoes that lawsuit was a good idea? What was the motive?
Has Satish ever graduated?
Where is Momma K?  Does she work?
How much would Deepak's car sell for in Aruba when it was new?
Can he make that kind of payment working at a cyber cafe?
Where is Mr. Pink these days?
What ever happened to Lorenzo?
How do we know he has a basement where they make films? Who told us that?
Why won't the FBI say anything? 
Who is Andres Meneses?  Where does he fit into this?
If they have a legal document that asserts Paulus picked up Joran at 4 AM, why has nothing been said about it since?  Who was that witness?
What is the only method of disposal that insure no body?  Cremation? 
Would Paulus take that chance?
How can Paulus pay off all these people?
Why do the Sloots live in such a less than fancy house and still wield so much power?
Why haven't they moved? 
What is on their property? 
Where is Joran now?  Is he in school? 
Where did the money come from to take care of this mess?
How much would a drug runner get to move drugs around the island?
Why is the family so silent lately?
When is the next hurricane due by Aruba?

I don't expect too many answers but I keep thinking about these things and more...just thought I should stop now.

who is that man ?(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=934;type=avatar)

No clue what his name is. Destiny can tell more when the time is right or at her choosing.

I can't help but think of Sergio Gomez since we are talking about missing  people in Aruba..What is the final truth to him being missing from June 2005? I highly doubt he is the same person as the above. But I wonder if he is Colombian,what type of work he did and if he was ever found?

 Were there dead bodies popping up all over One Nightmare Eiland around the time when Natalee went "missing"?

1. Sergio Gomez.
2. The two guys that "committed suicide" in La Cabana Hotel owned by Jossy Mehren Mansur.
3. An American that worked at the Harley Davidson dealership, found in a drum.
4. The girl missing from the cruise ship that left Aruba. She visited Carlos and Charlies. (Amy Bradley)
5. The American that went "missing" after having an argument with a beach proprietor.

Maybe Joran is PAID to travel around the world and act like an ASS CLOWN to deflect attention away from Paulus and the other head monsters.

 ::MonkeyCool::

He's doing a good job.

Mum +

From Joran's book:

P 166

Wednesday Jun 15th, 2005

Joran learns that his house was searched. A good friend of his father, Ben King, was visiting at the time with his wife. His two younger brothers, Valentijn and Sebastian have left today to stay with friends in the States for a few weeks, to get away from the media.

Did Paulus go to Miami with the boys??

Bonus.....didn't you talk about Bruin/Brown??  Who's this??

oran's book, chapter 18 p 264

Joran signs an letter of intent with garrison for a book and movie deal, 50/50 (joran gets to keep royalties) before he finds out Larry already has a similar deal with Dave. Larry has also approached Deepak. Joran works with an intermediary, Aiken Brown of AL who joran wants to write his book, i wonder if these agreements are binding and prevent the publication of his dutch book in the us. very confusing chapter with lots of quotes of communications between joran and larry, juicy stuff. joran finally concludes larry us not trustworthy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

Well since we are all questioning things in general, I would like to mention that I have always felt things were suspicious regarding the container death of Robert Benson. I know what we were told regarding it........just don't believe it.

Art interviewed an Aruban Backhoe operator who said that he dug the new patio area where PVS poured concrete around the time that Natalee disappeared. This info was given to the ALE and Prosecutor. I think that it is one of the areas that was searched by the Dutch last year

 ::MonkeyCool::

I could be wrong, but I think LaCabana was owned by Luis Mansur and I think the Harley guy was locked in the trailer/office...never heard that he was in a barrel??

Some of those were before Natalee went missing and Amy Bradley dissapeared when they were docking in Curacao.

your 1,2 and 3 should be on the list but also Pitbull,Rene Van Heyningen,Ruth Dijkoff,the 17 yr that had a seizure and Brigitte Katelaan and her camera man Camilo. There are others and it wouldnt suprise me at all if one of these people were murdered over this case.

I still can't believe it myself. :D No doubt you'll love Yellowstone...it was just amazing. One of the best days of my trip was the day we did the grand loop....incredible...have no words for it. The nature & the wildlife we saw...it's like taking a safari in the US!
Just don't miss the morning glory pool (incredible colours...if you visit just one pool (there are many); do that one!) & the artist viewpoint from the Canyon. Breathtaking...really.

John van den Heuvel also spilled the beans on her in a televisioninterview some time ago btw....he really made a fool out of her...so I had a laugh.

I've heard that Mos didn't want to make time for her...and yet when we call he always comes to the phone when he's got time..and when we've been on Aruba he has no problems answering questions on camera. Tells me that he really doesn't want to waste his time with Gielen....press is press...but tabloid press is another thing perhaps. :D

via google

ORANJESTAD - The Common Court of Justice considered Monday the appeal of Sijgmund Heyligers (37). He went in appeal against his conviction to five years in prison for his involvement in the mutilation of the corpse of Dinesh Djoegan april that last year was found at the Cave of Guadirikiri. Attorney-General yesterday demanded Nico Jörg seven years imprisonment. (Amigoe)

June 15th cars get confiscated - right?

Dinesh 'Pitbull' Djoegan
ARUBA - Four suspects were arrested in connection with the murder of Dinesh 'Pitbull' Djoegan. The 25-year old Djoegan was found dead near the Guadirikiri caves in April. His body was mutilated and set on fire. One man (M.L.) was arrested on Saturday and two women (K.H. and C.H.C) and another man (S.H.) on Sunday. The police searched the homes of the suspects and found drugs and money. The spokesperson of the Public Prosecutor didn't say what the relationship between the suspects and Pitbull was.

The four suspects are also suspected of drug dealings.

Morning paper Bon Dia reported this morning that Pitbull's wife was called and told that she would find some things at the place where her husband's body was found. According to Bon Dia, she found a three-page letter, a bottle of Vodka, a joint, and an old iron cross. She handed the object to the police and she gave Bon Dia a copy of the letter and authorized them to publish it.

He was found in a storage "pod" -- they said it was suicide (hand in pocket?) -- but get this..... the door was padlocked from the OUTSIDE!

Dinesh 'Pitbull' Djoegan
He worked at the bar "choose-a name" next door to Carlos and charlies

So, was "choose-a name" where Deepak ran into a bar after they left C&C? that fateful night?
Does anyone know which bar it was?

Yep, "Choose a Name".

Deepak passed by or stopped into "Choose-a-Name" Bar....When they left C&C they circled back around the block passing C&C twice.
Finally making a left off the main road going east one block.

rob is that true ?

There are those that think this was Shango...not me mind you...just there are those...all I am saying 'cause I don't know more.

So, if it was "Choose-a-Name" bar they stopped at, maybe more than just being a 'mule,' this guy was dealin'. Wonder if Deepak stopped for a little fix for Natalee? Maybe a little in a drink or something?

that is true

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I have been wondering what that tattoo on Michael Dompig's arms says - so I enlarged it..

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I love to hear about your trip GBMW and forever I have wanted to go to yellowstone..I think it's the ultimate here for being in the outdoors and seeing the wildlife. I know the majority of the Dutch population vacations in places Austria,Swiz,Spain and the Carribean so it was great to see that you saw so much,a trip of a lifetime I am sure. Us Americans are very jealous of your 4-8 weeks of vacation time and strong euro  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know what ya mean about the wildlife and beauty..I took these 2 weeks ago in the rockies :) Sorry for being OT I couldnt help myself  ::MonkeyCool:: Rene'e Gielen is evil  ::MonkeyWink::

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If I remember correctly they were sent somewhere (maybe Paducah or Owensboro) here in Kentucky.

johan555 wrote;


#3 Robert Benson was the Harley mechanic , he was found in a cargo container converted into a work space.
#4 Amy Bradley went missing 1998.
#5 Bud Larson went missing after an argument at the wind surf shop.

Not Rob but ...

None of Deepak, Satish or Joran's declaractions imply that a "quick stop" was made at another establishment but ... considering that David Kock is the attorney of the Kalpoes ... I assume his words were not derived from a vacuum.

I find it very suspicious that Deepak, Satish or Joran failed to include this "quick stop" in the revealed declarations.

Janet

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DRIVING ROUTE - MARRIOT BEACH ACCOUNT

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

1.  I had driven twice around “Carlos and Charlies”. When we came to the end of our second drive around I saw the people of the “Visibility Team” stand on the corner of the road that lead in front of the afore mentioned establishment.

2.  I decided to turn left into the Weststraat in the direction of “Choose a Name”.  On the corner of L.G. SMITH and the Weststraat I saw a group of people standing there.

3.  I properly drove on and stopped in front of the pedestrian crossing in the vicinity of the “Royal Plaza”.

4.  I called Joran again but now a bit louder. He then said, keep on driving. I then drove in the direction of "Caya G.F. Betico CROES".

5.  After that I drove in the direction of the “Renaissance Hotel".

6.  There I turned onto L.G. SMITH Boulevard. I proceeded to drive in Westerly direction. I drove on until we got to the intersection where I had last seen her friends.

7.  I rolled up the windows and put the airconditioning on and drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse” ...


David Kock
Birmingham News - Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Satish Kalpoe's attorney, David Kock, said his client told him that van der Sloot asked the Kalpoe brothers to pick him up Sunday night so he could meet up with Holloway and her classmates at Carlos'n Charlie's, a popular watering hole in the capital, Oranjestad.

They said they left the bar around 1:30 a.m. with van der Sloot and an intoxicated Holloway in the back seat, then stopped briefly at another restaurant about a block away before heading out of town, Kock said.  

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1118481459238090.xml&coll=2

http://gwinnettdailyonline.com/GDP/archive/article7CC45D48DBE746FDAC4CA487F0C3448B.asp
 

this is how I perceived the "container" that Benson was locked in. could be bigger / could be smaller. But it was used as a paint booth. So it had to have some size to it.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/container1.gif)

A San Nicolas patrol car was sent to Cura Cabay,
behind a company that fixes cars and motorcycles,
since a dead person was found in a container.
The known Harley Davidson mechanic
Robert Wayne Benson, born in the U.S.,
of 58 years of age, resident of Pos Abao,
who the day before had disappeared, according to his
wife.
The owner of the business, aware of his disappearance,
asked two employees to go take a look at the container,
they forced the door of the container which was
padlocked and when opening it they encountered the
lifeless body.
http://tinyurl.com/5xwl5d

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Heijningenkopie.jpg?t=1213915080)

I distinctly remember the very first report said the door was padlocked on the outside. Subsequent article said "locked from inside."

[quoteJanet]1.  I had driven twice around “Carlos and Charlies”. When we came to the end of our second drive around I saw the people of the “Visibility Team” stand on the corner of the road that lead in front of the afore mentioned establishment.[/quote]

_______

Janet - I added a red circle where the ALE guys are standing according to Deepak.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/DEEPAKSROUTE14.jpg)

That area always has a bunch of guys on motorcycles that run and sell drugs.

enlarged
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/DOWNTOWNCHOLLARSTAD3.jpg)

and this guy

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/adrugsamericankopie.jpg?t=1213915790)

DUIKKIE SAID this on FOK

My route starts at cnc choice than to a name (bar) and if I remember correctly than street or road Direct Route 6 to (hooiberg)haystack, or any of the other roads to the east from a particular choice. you have to want the east then you are faster at the haystack
(hooiberg)

Didn't Joran say he got around $300/month for allowance?  This $300 paid for his clothing?  I remember something like this from his book.

Maybe he got a separate entertainment and gambling fund?

Yes, that looks about the same as I would guess. I recall reading he had airconditioning in it.

I recall that also Blonde because they tried to say it was a suicide, and of course then how would it be padlocked on the outside? Then it was said he had a heart attack. Then I recall reading something about his having a history of substance abuse which he had overcome......so anyway, nothing unusual......NOTHING ADDS UP!

Hi Blonde, I think it's interesting that they changed the maor of the lock, but never disclosed the manor of death - just undetermined. I hope when his body arrived back in the states (if it did) that his family had an independent autopsy. I wouldn't trust their finding after the guy that showed up in the shores of Aruba in the boat was said to have had a heart attack, and it turned out he was strangled. You might remember - this was the boat that left the coast of Africa a few months earlier and was a drift at sea. I believe there were two or three guys that lived through this "adventure".

Not much Aruba could do legal, the crime seems to have happened at sea... and God only knows where, but let's at least get the autopsy right. Is that asking too much?

No I remember paulus went to florida- much discussion here about it.  That was when we first found the links to all the buissness's in Plantation Fla.early archives late june early august

and it would have to have some sort of ventilation system if it was used for painting...I think that's what you meant BB.

These things are NOT able to be locked from the inside - simply to prevent someone from locking themselves in!!! duh!!!

I have never seen a container like the one I pictured, and there are a few hundred different types, that you can lock yourself in - but the point is - you can not lock them from the inside.

If this isn't a crime, I'm not sure a crime was ever committed on Aruba in it's 5000 year history.

Do you remember when he was supposed to have made that trip?  Before or after Joran's arrest?

I could go on and on about Mr. Benson - so I will  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Even a small 8 foot container - like this one ->

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/8footshippingcontainer1.jpg)

would have enough air for one night. And it seems to have a ventilation system. No one thinks it's strange that the last place anyone saw Robert Benson was painting the day before and no one has seen him the next day? HELLO???

or this one -a 20 foot trailer / container

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/20footcontainer1.jpg)

this one surely has enough air to keep one single man alive for 24 hours to 36 hours. And it has a VENTILATION SYSTEM.

This is a crime.

Yes you are correct ventilation, and so sort of cooling or I would imagine you would cook inside one in the Aruban sun. With regards to the lock, I would imagine someone could weld or make some sort of lock for the inside, but why would they want to? Just doesn't add up as you mention.......had to be locked from the outside.

Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say that he indeed died of natural causes. Why in the hell WOULD you lock yourself INSIDE the container?????? Like Rob said, these containers won't lock from the inside anyways. It's a safety feature much like walk-in coolers and freezers.

Ponson allegedly hit a local judge in the face

On Island, Ponson No Longer Marooned
O's Pitcher Released From Aruban Jail

By Dave Sheinin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 5, 2005; Page D01


ORANJESTAD, Aruba, Jan. 4 -- A man has certain needs at the end of 10 torturous days in the city lock-up, such as horsepower and loud music. And so it was that Sir Sidney Ponson, Knight in the Order of the Dutch Royal House, in his first acts of freedom upon being released from jail Tuesday afternoon, demanded from his agent the keys to his own Mercedes, which had been parked conveniently outside the police station -- "I'm driving," the Baltimore Orioles pitcher barked -- then wedged himself into the driver's seat and paused to turn the radio dial to something harder, faster, louder.

And with that -- plus a quick no-comment to the two reporters who had gathered to chronicle the moment -- Sir Sidney was gone. He was wearing his island nation's traditional mid-day garb: a white T-shirt, baggy shorts, flip-flops and shades. He had days' worth of stubble on his face and head, both of which are typically shaved clean. He did not smile. He backed up the Mercedes and pulled away in a dusty cloud.
(http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images/I48752-2005Jan04)
Sidney Ponson is free from jail in his native Aruba, but still faces three serious charges stemming from a Christmas day incident at the beach.

From the outside, it had seemed like a whirlwind 10 days for Ponson -- from the Christmas day fight on the beach that landed three people, including himself, in police custody after Ponson allegedly hit a local judge in the face; to the public prosecutor's decision two days later to exercise his legal right to extend Ponson's detainment for another eight days while the investigation continued; to the pregnant pause in the country's legal system over the raucous New Year's Eve weekend; and, finally, to his unceremonious release Tuesday at 12:12 p.m., Atlantic Standard Time.

But inside Ponson's jail cell, it seemed far from a whirlwind. It was 10 days of monotony, broken up only by a bath every morning and three square meals a day. Other than that? Boredom. Vicious heat. Blood-sucking mosquitoes. No television or radio. No beer. No visitors, except for his lawyer. And no reading material, except for a Bible at one's request.

Ponson, one learns by asking, did not request a Bible.

"He was more conversating with the other guys," said a watch commander at the sleepy police station in Noord, where Ponson spent the second half of his detainment following a transfer. The watch commander declined to reveal his name, saying the chain of command did not allow him to speak to the media.

"The guys [in the adjacent cells] enjoy him," the officer said. "They all know him. He's very famous here. I hope he learns a lesson from this. He needs to . . . get his act together."

The two acquaintances who were arrested along with Ponson released themselves on their own recognizance four days later by cutting through the bars of their cells with a saw and bending them apart. The escapees were apprehended on Sunday, reportedly in possession of $20,000 cash, drugs, jewelry and a police scanner.

Ponson, his lawyer said, had nothing to do with the escape and slept through the entire thing.

More is expected of Ponson in Aruba, where he was born and raised, where he has donated money and goods for years to locals in need, and where he was given one of the Dutch crown's highest honors for its citizens -- knighthood -- in 2003. At the time, he seemed humbled by the title's responsibilities, which include setting a good example for his fellow citizens with his behavior.

Presumably, that behavior does not include getting hammered on the beach, buzzing people too closely with one's personal watercraft, or -- after those people complained about it -- punching a man in the face, all of which Ponson is alleged to have done. (However, eyewitness accounts differ as to which party instigated the fight.) As for the fact the decked man turned out to be a judge -- W. Noordhuizen, a resident of the island for only three months, who has not responded to interview requests -- well, that's just bad luck. For that matter, so is the fact Ponson's arrest resulted in a 10-day stay in the slammer while the investigation plodded on, owing to the simple reality that Aruba has no system of bail.

"Public opinion here is, if [the alleged victim] was not a judge, this case would have been very different," said Vale Hart, a reporter for the Diario Aruba newspaper. "Maybe they wouldn't have even arrested [Ponson]. But because he was a judge, they did. That's not good. Something has to be done with our way of doing justice in Aruba."  

A story in Tuesday's La Prensa newspaper compared Ponson's case to 10 similar ones in recent months and found the severity of Ponson's punishment to be more extreme than the others'.

"The feeling on the island is [the authorities] drew this [detainment] out as long as they could," said Ashiko Martinus, a childhood friend of Ponson's who was one of many friends and family members who gathered in a show of support Tuesday morning outside the courthouse where a judge made the decision to grant Ponson his release. "Maybe they want to make an example of him to the rest of the island."

Ponson arrived at that hearing Tuesday morning in a Mitsubishi Galant squad car (the license plate of which, like all in Aruba, contained the motto, "One Happy Island"). He emerged from the back seat on his own -- dressed in nice clothes, free of handcuffs -- as if exiting a cab at the front gates at Yankee Stadium, then walked into the courthouse without making eye contact with any of his family members or supporters.

Despite being released Tuesday, Ponson still faces three serious charges that could result in a prison sentence when the case goes before a judge. Those charges, according to spokeswoman Mary Ann Croes of the public prosecutor's office, are premeditated simple assault, attempt to commit severe assault and fighting in a public place.

That hearing before a judge -- in which, like a trial, Ponson's guilt or innocence will be determined -- will be held March 3, just as the Orioles are beginning their Grapefruit League schedule, with Ponson, who will be in the second year of a three-year, $22.5 million contract, again expected to be one of the team's top starting pitchers.

Ponson was released into the arms of a beautiful afternoon on the island he loves. Temperatures were in the 80s. Beachgoers frolicked in the surf, personal watercrafts buzzing along safely behind them. A giant cruise ship, like the ones Ponson used to work on as a teenager, hogged the horizon and disgorged its human contents into the tourist-trap shops along the main beach road.

The coming days promise to bring the same idyllic routine, but Ponson won't be around to see it. For weeks now, he has been booked on a plane back to the United States on Wednesday, where he will begin in earnest his preparations for spring training and the 2005 season at his residences in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and Baltimore. The flight departs in the late afternoon.

Ponson, according to his agent, plans to be on it.

Fantastic questions.  I think we will be provided more awnsers with each corps that roll out on the waves and with each statement jvds makes in his sic travels about the world. He wont be lucky forever...

there were also several suicides that jumped to thier deaths off the hirise hotels soon after Natalees disappearance.

Not if Peter DeVries has his way. ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

Other Caribbean countries issued travel warnings to travelers in 2004 and 2005 about the dangers of date rape drugs in there countries but not Aruba. Several have been drugged and raped and in Natalee's case murdered,but they still deny and don't talk about the abundance of date rape drugs. The Fat SOB Dennis Jacobs even toyed with Dave to watch his drink in there first meeting,because people slip GHB into them,then asked him how much money he had?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: He bragged about talking to schools about date rape drugs,but what murder or missing person case has he ever worked? Would you believe a obese narcotics officer who is the islands date rape drug expert was the lead investigator in the biggest murder case ever? They have witnesses,victims,testimony and confessions that all say date rape but yet they still deny it and have never issued any warnings or acknowledgement.

hmmmm I don't recall hearing about that , anymore info?

A couple of thoughts on Sidney Ponson. He was given his unconditional release this week by the Texas Rangers despite a 3.88 ERA and a 4-1 record (by far best on the Rangers.) What did he do?? He tried to beat-up the bartender from a Hotel they were staying in because he was cut-off late at night. Ponson who was PITCHING the next afternoon was shellacked both the night before as well as in his start). The Rangers have another player with a LONG history of being a tempermental ass -- Milton Bradley. Milton was quoted yesterday about Ponson : "MAN, now THAT guy (Ponson) has some serious issues!!" LOL

Ponson would fit right in with the rest of the thugs on Aruba. I'm just a little sympathetic though as I commend him for actually hitting an Aruba judge!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

  yes after - nobody knew he had left untill his return from fla.  everyone here surprised about it

wreck - if I might,

Why is it that American's only die of natural causes on Aruba or accidents?

let's sum up a few of the cases I remember.

father / son died trying to save another son. accident - for sure.
American that died when the palm tree fell on him / her - I think it was a him.
American that died in ATV accident - company says buh bye!
American that "surfaced" to quickly and seem to have gotten a lighting fast case of death. Family claimed that was faulty equipment.
guy dead at Mill resort - where I found the white van - natural causes
Robert Benson - natural causes (???)


all of those folks were found.

now who is missing (crime victim).

Natalee
Max
Buddy
Gary Makings *(questionable what happened here)
Amy

all of these people are not found (*cough*) and were known victims of criminals or assailants. KNOWN

Americans that are victims of criminals or assailants are disappeared.

They can try to hide behind their secret language and handshake - but we're wise to 'em.

O/T  sorta,  just got my Elle magazine and there are grafetti high tops for women!!!

A couple of thoughts on Sidney Ponson. He was given his unconditional release this week by the Texas Rangers despite a 3.88 ERA and a 4-1 record (by far best on the Rangers.) What did he do?? He tried to beat-up the bartender from a Hotel they were staying in because he was cut-off late at night. Ponson who was PITCHING the next afternoon was shellacked both the night before as well as in his start). The Rangers have another player with a LONG history of being a tempermental ass -- Milton Bradley. Milton was quoted yesterday about Ponson : "MAN, now THAT guy (Ponson) has some serious issues!!" LOL

Ponson would fit right in with the rest of the thugs on Aruba. I'm just a little sympathetic though as I commend him for actually hitting an Aruba judge!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

[/quote]


He didn't even know he was hitting a judge. Isn't that poetic justice? ::MonkeyHaHa::

 :smt023 :smt023 :smt023 :smt023 :smt023 :smt023 :smt023

White or blue?

 Looks like we picked up Ponson for the minors. Humpfff

+++++++++++++

Briefs-Yankees sign pitcher Ponson to minor league deal

 June 19 (Reuters) - Sports news in brief from around the world.

Baseball - The New York Yankees signed veteran right-handed pitcher Sidney Ponson to a minor league contract on Wednesday.

Ponson, 31, was designated for assignment by the Texas Rangers on June 6 but off-field incidents prompted the Rangers to release him.

The move will give the Yankees more pitching depth. They are currently missing Wang Chien-ming and young starters Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy.


http://uk.reuters.com/article/footballNews/idUKSP18382820080619

You should buy a pair and a skateboard,it will save you money from not using gas  ::MonkeyWink::

Destiny posted the numbers on that very limited production. They actually made more womens then men.

The model name of the shoe in the image was called the "Classic LX
Graffiti".  In men's we produced roughly 7,666 pair and in women's we
produced 9,788 pair.***.it was produced in the 2nd. quarter of 2005.
That model of shoe was distributed in the US only

DID ARUBA EVER FIND THE MAN THAT RAPED THIS AMERICAN WOMAN? 

Woman Claims Rape Where Missing Teen Was Last Seen In Aruba
Other Vacationers Say Island Is Safe

POSTED: 6:13 pm EDT June 6, 2005
UPDATED: 6:37 pm EDT June 6, 2005


BOSTON -- With its year-round warmth and nearly rain-free climate, Aruba has become a vacation oasis for thousands of Massachusetts residents. But in recent days, a dark side has emerged.

Amalia Barreda Reports On Aruba

NewsCenter 5's Amalia Barreda reported that a local woman said she was raped after leaving the same bar in Aruba where missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway was last seen.

"Aruba is not as safe as the commercials make it out to be," said Marie, who withheld her last name.

Marie said she made four trips to Aruba with friends and believed the island was safe. That's why she had no qualms about traveling there alone for Christmas 2001. She stayed at the same Holiday Inn where Holloway and her high school classmates booked their rooms. On Christmas Eve, Marie said she went to Carlos 'N Charlie's, the same bar where the missing Alabama teen was last seen.

When she left, Marie said a man pulled her into his car, drove away and raped her.

"As I was being pulled into vehicle, screams came out of me that I couldn't imagine ever coming out of me of me and people did nothing," said Marie.

when Milton Bradley recognizes someone else has issues - you know that is DAMM serious!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

too funny

Arubans seem to be  :smt093 :smt084 :smt076 :smt077 :smt030 :smt021 :2brickwall: :smt096

that's not very happy if you ask me.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

The whorehouses are closed on sunday nights so the islanders get a free pass if they have the urge to rape a tourist. Its there god given right as a Aruban citizen to have cocaine and sex available to them at all times  ::MonkeyConfused::

Oh.....another tourist dead in Aruba,  Renee Tiano, 2000.

http://tinyurl.com/6cycxd

The shoes are white hightop sneakers with black lettering.  Ok, I am taking orders, how many of you want some???

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5828/cheremyui3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Hmm Did they ever catch that attempted rapist and abductor by the fishermans huts right before natalee arrived in Aruba? He sure looks like Steve Croes brother Cheremy Croes  ::MonkeyRoll:: Even more interesting was Cheremy's choice for a attorney when he was nailed as being one of the top people in distributing fake drivers licenses and id's,he chose the infamous Paul Van Der Sloot to represent him. It's a good thing that friend and co worker Dompig was a main witness in this case and PVDS was able to question him on the stand. Unfortunately Gerald Dompig the person in charge said all the records and evidence was lost when they moved the bldg. So Cheremy Croes walked away a free man...again..Caps said all of Aruba was shaking there heads after reading that  ::MonkeyNoNo::

BB - here's a kind of funny line from Aruba. just typical.

In fact, the medical examiner concluded that Renee had had intercourse in the hours before she died, and had a blood alcohol level of .196, more than twice Massachusetts' legal driving limit.


first of all - she not in Massachusetts.
second - did she drive off the balcony?
third - if she was from St. Petersburg Russia would the line says and had a blood alcohol level of .196 less than half the legal driving limit in St. Petersburg?

inquiring minds

Bet all this damn talk about them made K-Swiss think they might be popular again...LOL....

I've been catching up...all this stuff is really creeping me out...  ::MonkeyShocked::  icky-bad...   ::MonkeyShocked::

I was hoping to some day visit the beautiful beaches, soft waves, and tempting restaurants.   

Now, all I think about is dead people on the beaches...ewww....

Stinky dirty gym shoes...

Thugs...

Maybe I'm just being oversensitive...

For those who've been there...

What was Aruba like in the olden days?

After looking at the bodies that washed a shore one last time..They are not even close in there stage of decomposing. I seriously doubt they died at the same time.

That's what I remember seeing too BleachedBlack.Of course I only looked real close at the 1st image of the 1st body and real quick at the 2nd and 3rd images.Sorry,if this was already discussed....I am behind and haven't read ahead.

My answers in red and JMO.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!...I only need *one* shoe...it's for a friend in thailand....

He talks just like a dang predator rapist.Fleshly intercourse?Is there another kind of intercourse you know about joran? ::MonkeyNoNo::

Ha!!! Good one Destiny!!

San...I liked your answers to Lala's questions!

TY Always...I'm tired and should go to bed...but...I'm going to have a glass of wine instead....

I too remember it well. Locked from the outside...suicide.....lol.

Hi Nut...haven't seen you in awhile.....hope you are doing well.

From the front page:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/11/19/from-diario-robert-wayne-benson-found-dead-in-aruba/

From Diario: Robert Wayne Benson found dead in Aruba
 
From Diario, 17 November, 2005; Mecanico di Harley Davidson haya morto den container

Another person found dead in Aruba. The body of American born Robert Wayne Benson found in a locked container.

Full translation, Hat Tip: Getagrip

Harley Davidson mechanic found dead in a container

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Yesterday afternoon, a San Nicolas patrol car was sent to Cura Cabay, just behind a company that fixes cars and motorcycles, since a dead person was found in a container.

The person in question is the known mechanic Robert Wayne Benson, born in the U.S., of 58 years of age, resident of Pos Abao, who the day before had disappeared, according to his wife.

” The owner of the business, aware of his disappearance, asked two employees to go take a look at the container, they forced the door of the container which was locked from the inside and when opening it they encountered the lifeless body. ”

Dr. van der Linden confirmed his death, however the cause is still not precisely known. Our deep condolences to his family.

Here are some things that people are saying. Along with a video from a site that is the same one who had the white painted rocks.

San, there was an article BEFORE that one that staed it was padlocked from the outside. I think they realized that diddn't wash and then went overboard to explain in the subsequent story that it was locked from the inside. (locked from the inside  doesn't wash either!!)

All this talk about bodies washing ashore in Aruba and now, on Greta's show, she says that 5 feet have washed ashore in Canada.  Story after the break. 

This is just getting too creepy.  I may have to take a 3 day news break.  Bodies and body parts and lions tigers and bears. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::....I know...not funny...but it is funny... ::MonkeyHaHa::

And if you think it is bad now, wait another 3 years and 2008 will be known as the halcyon days!

I was hoping to see something in Diario about it...but if Diario talked with the same people I talked to...all Diario heard was that it was *her* fault...and there really wasn't a rape at all....I wouldn't believe if I hadn't heard it with my own ears...it's like Aruba's got this story line down pat...

On one of my calls regarding the HI rape...I was told that ALE had possession of her memory card from her camera...betcha they're making a Mr. Pink production with it as I type...

I was wondering that too.  In fact, that's the story that got me back in the cage reading and posting rather than just checking in for news.  The whole mentality that if a woman is drinking or walks down the beach, heads out to another bar or restaurant, even gets in a car with some guys she just met means it's not rape is so absurd.  Granted, it's not smart to go off with some guys you just met, but that doesn't give anyone the right to harm you.  They are in the dark ages down there.  Sadly, lots of people here in the US still think that way, although they've tried to train police, prosecutors and judges.   I do hope the woman is ok and has a good support system.  Being a victim of any crime is tough, but rape is one of the worst. 

I'm surprised they haven't stoned the victim to death yet! Maybe an "honor killing" is in order! ::MonkeyConfused::

LilPuma...what gets me is thatI called 3 ALE departments, the Beach Patrol, multiple calls to the Holiday Inn...and Moombas...even got to talk with Mark jr....and they all have/had the same story...woman drunk...she picked up the 3 guys...she *wanted* it...so no rape!

I just don't understand...it really boggles the mind...they are so used to saying the same thing.

It really makes me wonder how many tourist women make police reports...but nothing ever gets done about it....I bet if one could look in hte record...shit...what am I saying...there are NO RECORDS...I think a lot of reports are filed...then they get tossed in the circular file cabinet...trash can...

LilPuma ... it is creepy.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

We live a 45 minute drive from Delta and ... the waters where the other feet with shoes have come ashore are in the areas that hubby and I travel in our boat and fish from each summer.

Janet

++++++++++++

Sixth foot found in B.C. a ‘hoax,’ coroner reveals
Linda Nguyen, Canwest News Service 
Published: Thursday, June 19,  

The B.C. Coroners Service has found that the sixth foot found washed ashore in British Columbia is not human.

A provincial forensic pathologist and anthropologist have examined the shoe and remains and have determined that it is the skeleton of an animal paw that was inserted into the shoe along with a sock and packed with dried seaweed, the coroners service announced Thursday.

Investigators said the foot was deliberately put there by pranksters.

"This type of hoax is reprehensible and very disrespectful to the families of missing persons," said a news release from the service. "It fuels inappropriate speculation and creates undue anxiety for families and communities while wasting valuable investigative time and resources that could be spent on the main investigations."

The B.C. Coroners Service has concluded their investigation into the incident.

The sixth foot, encased in a black Adidas shoe, was found on Wednesday around 10 a.m. in Campbell River, B.C., by a woman collecting rocks along the beach.

The site is on the eastern side of Vancouver Island, 270 kilometres north of Victoria.

All six of the feet have been found since August 2007 in the Strait of Georgia, which is sheltered from the Pacific Ocean by Vancouver Island, or nearby in the mouth of the Fraser River.

All have been right feet except the fifth foot that was found Monday in Delta, B.C. Police have only confirmed that the second foot found was a size 12 foot in a Reebok shoe.

The last two feet were found washed up in the delta of the Fraser River just south of Vancouver. The other three were discovered on islands between 100 and 200 kilometres south of Campbell River in the Strait of Georgia that separates Vancouver Island from the mainland.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=599667

What happened to the big hotel projects like the Ritz Carlton that were supposed to be built?? I hope American companies that went on with their projects take it in the shorts.

Sounds as though they're not just trying to protect their own or their tourism, that's just the way they think. 

AMEN!!! Wreck...Minister if silly walks ;-)

::MonkeyWink:: (Monty Python fan)

Also; how much in hock did Aruba go into for their brand new cruise ship port?? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Destiny, did you go to bed?  I was wondering if we might see that copy of the letter tomorrow??

I guess Destinys nite nite, Ill just cover her up and tiiptoe out, shhhhhhh.

No...I can't sleep...I'm still waiting for the letter...they have to get it from someone else at work in order to scan and send it to me...it's a kind of delicate situation if you know what I mean...I'm really trying as hard as I can...because I think that letter is very important!  Sometimes I feel like I'm beating my head against the wall...then I think of Beth...and Natalee...that keeps me going...as I'm sure it does all of us here in the Cage.

Crawl under the blankie with me...I'll pop a good movie in the DVD...and make some popcorn...Slumber Party!

To Whom Ever Asked Earlier About Daury

 RODRIGUEZ  DAURY   DANIEL  06/28/1986  21  In Custody  Hudson County Jail  Hudson County Jail 

Yes...Ramona Also

RODRIGUEZ  RAMONA  11/11/1958  49  In Custody  Hudson County Jail  Hudson County Jail

Ok, Ill have som white wine too, and go to sleep.

Red or white?

Ooooopppssss....I see you want white.....glug...glug...glug...that enough for you always ;-)

Thanks HotPing....that's probably the safest place for both of them right now...they could be washing up on a beach in Aruba....

That's what I'm thinking! I keep thinking that I'm going to run across some more familiar names when I check the county jails but nothing so far.... ::MonkeyCool::

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Don't go banging your head against the wall, then you'll be hearing ringing in your ears all the time!  You'll be sleeping with the phone.

We should check Federal Prisons by state...it's free to check...think we should start with florida ;-)

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I wubs you ;-)

Probably wouldn't hurt...You just never know who You might find..... ::MonkeyWink::