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I love the caption "TIMBA'S CHEESY WEDDING WONDERLAND"

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/TimberlandAruba.jpg)

http://www.tmz.com/2008/06/26/timbalands-karaoke-wedding/

Posted by Wreck in the previous thread:


BonDia and ArubaToday  ::MonkeyCool::

Also from the previous thread:

Let's try that again.

Ummm...I believe the term they use is "escorts."

I got locked out of a thread for the first time ever!!! lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

ok...copied my post...here it tis:

Holy sheet...here is an eye opener posted by Heli at RU.

Never even thought of this one!!! Did the missing shoe belong to "Draury". Ok...what size shoe does paulass wear???!!! How about Dild....errr Guildo?

Destiny....this one may be yours...as usual..my great sleuth!!! lol

There are lots of gays in Aruba according to my old my neighbor..He went to Carlos and Charlies and was actually harrassed by a gay man who wouldn't leave him alone..lol! He had to tell the guy he would kill him if he didn't leave him alone. He met another American there who he partied with who bought a bunch of coke,it was so cheap he couldn't get rid of it all before he left so he had to dump it.

He said the natives told him the girl was taken off the island because the parents had a large insurance policy. He said he constantly receives mail with discounted trips up to 50% off.

Really, they advertise male escorts????

this is jimmies place
(http://www.jimmysaruba.com/images/jimmyslogo.gif)

http://www.jimmysaruba.com/

Posted by fierljepper, BFN - From Patrick's book

Some new data from car ride 13-01-2008

Joran says that he did not have intercourse with Natalee.

Joran defends Natalee against the apparent claims that he she had been in a “kick-off clinic” or was on drugs that night. He says he has never seen proof of these rumors.

Joran lies to Patrick that the text message said “Thanks for the lift, see you tomorrow”. Patrick doesn’t fall for this.

Joran says that the friend who helped him wanted to go to the police. Joran didn’t want that. Then the friend called a third person and after that told Joran to go home and that everything would be arranged. Joran says that he though the friend called for a boat.

Joran says that in hindsight he should have just told what happened but didn’t know at that time how big it would become.



New data from car ride 15-01-2008

P Where is that phone booth near the Hyatt… or near the Marriott?

J Every hotel has one

P Oh. In the hotel.

J Each hotel has ONE.

P Yeah, I know. Inside.

J No, outside.

P In the lobby?

J No just outside. Near the swimming pool.

P Ok.

J They are everwhere….each hotel…it’s not normal how many of these phone booths are out there.

P No, no, no. Everywhere, I know, ok.
(…)

P But one thing I don’t understand.. Oke, she lies there and she’s dead, heh…. That friend…, heh…I know this friend is your father.. I know it Joran.

J No, no, no.

P Why not? Why would somebody who picks you up tell you “you have to go to school”. After you said that to me, I knew it.

J No

Joran again strongly denies that his father is involved.

Joran also says that the friend wasn’t there when it all happened (i.e. Natalee collapsed) and also that all events went so terribly fast.

Joran says about “the friend” that he has committed an atrako (= “raid”).

Joran again explains that he would never hurt a girl and would rather kick a man that is doing harm to a girl.
 


Joran about the arrest and interrogations in December 2007

Joran says that they had something against Satish since he talked very nervously to his girlfriend in Suriname the first two days after the event.  Police even talked to the girlfriend.

Joran also says that (asshole) Deepak had mentioned in chat conversation that he had sex with her. Joran believes he has just been bragging.

Joran explains that they had nothing against him but even came up with a conversation between his brother and his girlfriend at the time who also was named Natalee.

Joran says he has remained silent all the time and looked the interrogators straight in the eyes.

The name Joran mentions is Daury Davens. Dutch mother, Aruban Father. Patrick thinks that Joran knows about the "Atrako" (=robbery) and that's the thing he holds against him. Patrick and Joran make plans to actually meet the guy who apparently is in NL at that time (Jan. '08).



Joran speaks very highly of his father and (pretty convincingly) says that he is extremely honest and would have turned him. Joran also says that he has lied to both his parents and to his lawyers (who he called stupid).

The planned meeting with Daury doesn’t take place since Joran calls Patrick in the morning to explain that Daury had just left the country that day.

Joran provides some interesting details about Daury:
• He was only a year in NL
• Joran knows him since he was 5 years old (!)
• He has “business” that require him to fly between Aruba and NL
• He has people working for him and recently an American woman who works for him has been caught in possession of cocaine. Daury had freaked out, since he was very afraid she would talk.



Translation of the shoe story:

(...)
I ask him why he got rid off his shoes.: "That only makes things more complicated?"

"But I thought that something like that would make the whole thing more believable. I know, it's stupid, but in the end I did get a kick out of it", Joran clarifies.

P. The only thing I believe is that there is something with these shoes that you don't want people to see.

J. No, of course not. I still have these shoes. I just had told the boys (note FJ: think it's the Kalpoes) that I left the shoes behind. So stupid... so stupid!

P. Yeah, that was really stupid, man! But I just don't get it, you know. The penny doesn't drop. Why would someone do a thing like that? And how thorough I try to think this through about why I would do such a thing, what do I want to achieve with that? That's only provoking more attention. And even if I'd done such a thing, I would have never told them.

J. No, but look, that's exactly it. It was just a load of bullshit with the police. That thing had emerged then. I even have put on the same K-Swiss shoes when I was with the police... during the interrogations I put them on the table. And then these were size 14 and I had told them that I have size 12, you know. Exactly the same shoes... extactly the same...I put on the table.

P Oh. Hahaha.

J Bam! In front of the detectives. Then during the interrogations, Patrick, then I told him: "Yes, those shoes were just like these." Just to screw them for a moment, you know? Then he said: "Take off your shoes!" And this is all on camera, you know? Three cameras were there in that room and then I said: "I'm not going to take off my shoes." (... then Joran talks about his lawyer and that he in the end smashed his shoes on the table...). 
 


New conversation from P275:

J. Yeah. That indeed has been a pitty, Patrick.

P. Yeah. This makes it all more complicated you know?

J. Yes. Of course I haven't know the full story, you know?

P. What do you mean, never knew the full story?

J. Yeah, I knew of course everything that happened, but hey... of course I can't talk about that. That shouldn't be possible? You can't put those other people at risk.

P. What other people... I though there was only one, wasn't it?

J. Yes... Daury. I don't want to bring him into trouble.

P. And your father knows it as well, man.

J. My father knows absoletely nothing. My father has...he knows nothing about this... He doesn't know a thing about the whole event. That's the worst thing of all. That man would die, he wouldn't be able to cope with this. He couldn't even harm a fly. My father is weak.
 

 
 


 

High stakes gambling and special favors tend to go hand in hand...be it male or female.  You pay the money and you get what you want.  It happens in the USA too.

don't forget purcell, he was right next door at the marriott.  there are pictures on the web of jvds partying in rooms at the marriott.
dennisintn

What is a "kick off clinic"?

First off this post of Heli's is full of holes.  ALE did NOT "find" that Joran actually wore a size 10 1/2, what they "found" is that the shoe he was wearing during interrogation was marked 10.5.  They questioned him about it.  I do not believe for a minute that Joran actually wears a size 10.5, I just don't believe it.  Although, after seeing that photo of him in Thailand naked on the beach it does appear to be possible if he feet are proportionate to the rest of his "attributes", LOL

Ah, Jimmy's place..almost forgot about this place, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Didn't someone find a photo of Mark Purcell at Jimmy's?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't know Klaas....could we have it backwards? Could the shoes he was wearing have been a 14 but the one in his closet that had blood in it...according to Beth I believe...and one missing...had been a 10 1/2?

OK...I have a nanner for you now!!! lol...check your nanner basket in a moment!!!

*******, what a "kick off clinic"

Arubatoday - the one that Julia Renfro is the Managing Editor of, the one Julia Renfro claims is geared towards the tourists.

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ArubaToday062608.jpg)

ldstlou - no we don't have it backwards according to the police report PV from that interrogation.

Here is the statement about the shoes:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=385.0

::MonkeyCool:: This exactly what I was thinking of!!!! Her "paper" is nothing but an advertisement for hookers (males, females, trannys, Jorans, etc.). Who is Renfro protecting?????

Do you think someone on Aruba had plans to make the island the largest brothel in the world?

How do all these services fit in with the private airport services, and new shopping district? 

Now, imagine what you can get if you are a VIP in one of the casinos and willing to pay the price?  Closing your eyes to the Maze doesn't make it go away.

Follow the money...follow the money...

oops...phrased that wrong...could THEY have had it backwards...already KNOW the Monkeys are perfect!!!! ::MonkeyDance::

More from Patrick's book ....

Posted by fierljepper, BFN

P284

Range Rover, 4th trip, Wednesday January 16th, 2008, early evening. Dumped at sea.

P. Just dumping the body there, Joran, just throwing that girl overboard only a few hundred meters from Aruba and that it doesn't wash ashore, is to my knowledge extremely remarkable.

J. Yes.

P. Then there should have been something that caught her or whatever. I tell you, there are many fish out there, you know?

J. Sharks

P. OMG, guy!

J. Yes.

P. These are huge, boy!

J. Yeah. I saw them. I have them...I also have my diving licence.

P. What a fish. I used to with my dad, you know? He had a wire, a long line, and euh...those green fish, like this, with that green head. And my father fighting, you know? And at a certain moment, with a boat nearby, you just see them swim and suddenly in one go another fish arrives, bam...chop...line quiet. Only the head is stuck on it.

J. That is siiiick!

P. That's why I tell you, those animals are...that fish is really huge, man, you know? It has such a head, man...

J. That is siiiick!

P. ...and the rest is entirely gone.

J. That is siiiick.

P. You know? So...yeah/

J. You know it.

P. You got lucky, you know. Those two aspects for you is euh... is terrific, you know? That she didn't wash ashore and that they didn't get Daury.

J. Not even interrogated, not once.

Boy, when SHRIMP PENIS calls something SIIIIICK...

you know it's really got to be just that.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I think they are talking about a drug rehab clinic....

what is really "siiick" is the fokker just explained the phrase..."she wanted to see sharks" to me. Gawd. I am sick to my stomach now.

JORAN, IT WAS YOUR FATHER, I KNOW IT.


J No, no, no.

P Why not? Why would somebody who picks you up tell you “you have to go to school”. After you said that to me, I knew it.

J No

Joran again strongly denies that his father is involved.


---

RED FLAGS

Joran again explains that he would never hurt a girl and

would rather kick a man that is doing harm to a girl.


RUN THROUGH THE GOOGLE

JORAN TO ENGLISH TRANSLATOR:


I'd very much rather poke my friend right in his tookus,

and then afterwards kick a girl!

They must have giggled over and over again about Natalee wanting to see the sharks..But I am sure when they sat around the pool and PVDS said now boys what did you learn from all of this? Never give anyone a ride..Must have put them in hysterics.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Joran was secretly thinking:  Drive your own car so you don't have the Katpoop brothers looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life.  :roll:

The planned meeting with Daury doesn’t take place since Joran calls Patrick in the morning to explain that Daury had just left the country that day.

Joran provides some interesting details about Daury:
• He was only a year in NL
• Joran knows him since he was 5 years old (!)
• He has “business” that require him to fly between Aruba and NL
• He has people working for him and recently an American woman who works for him has been caught in possession of cocaine. Daury had freaked out, since he was very afraid she would talk.


All this is prime red meat, and should be checked out thoroughly.

Daury may or may not be imaginary, much like his flesh colored gherkin.

Carpe, thats what I like about you, you dont mince words.!

I know there are some monkeys who are very google at plotting locations using Google Earth.  I also know that I am not one of them.  Can any of you plot this particular address and let me know where on the island it is?

Palm Beach 200, Aruba

Thanks for the link Johan
If you click on the link for"new images",there seems to be a image or 4 of Mark Purcell or whatever his name is. :smt077

THANKS

I like you too, Always 1.  ::MonkeyWink::

I don't think that is him.

TY Carpe ::MonkeyWink::

Palm Beach 200, is that the adress ?
GE send me tot florida ::MonkeyHaHa::

Since Julia's newspaper seems to support an awful lot of escorts and "questionable activities", I think we should take a closer look at Julia. Patrick says "Daury" is gay and comes from a wealthy family.  The answer could be with Julia.  Didn't S/S refer to "The News"?

Just when you thought this whole mess couldn't get any seedier -- out jumps indications of "underage male prostitution"!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyEek:: Can beastiality be far behind?????

You mean fur behind.

::MonkeyDance:: Okay, I'm even more repulsed by the "visual" now!  ::MonkeyRoll::

Im sorry wreck ::MonkeyCool::

LoRain

Why is it that folks just automatically say "LoRain please be a good girl and blah blah..."....I'm no one's messenger unless I choose to be....sorry to be snotty....how bout y'all please be good posters and "undirty" my name....I get it from both sides...from Reality and you....y'all do your own running until I'm allowed to be considered "trusted and respected again"....thank you....

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::BYE BYE NOW

Hi Klaas,

Would it be possible to put all of these excerpts from Patrick's book together in one place?  I'd like to focus on them in some depth.

Sex with Joran would constitute beastality:)

Hi everyone, sorry to be slightly off topic.  Regarding Daury's surname, I recall when the tapes first came out there was a mention that it was Davids.  It stuck in my mind because I thought it odd to have the 's' at the end.  They ended up bleeping out the surname, but I'm sure I read about it here.  Davens could very well be the correct surname. 

I don't recall "Davids", "Davens", or "Ravens", but I do remember that Dutch viewers to DeVries shows said they could "lip read" the last name they bleeped out.

Doesn't Julia Renfro own one of the watersports companies?  Doesn't John Cehamly, Jr. own BonDia and Aruba Today?

Perhaps the lip reading is what I recall.  If I have time later, I will try to go back thru some posts around that time frame.  I'm glad you mentioned the lip reading :)

FU ru....and the horses you rode in on!!!!!! You too "Jewel" at BFN who is visiting Aruba in 2 weeks to "get the truth".

FU...to all you sick low lives who have bashed Natalee for 3 years and have tried to undermine her integrity. F--- YOU!!!!

Even your "poster boy" the sporter says he doesn't believe the bullshit you scums of the earth have put out about Natalee being in a drug rehab center.

Once again...YOUR poster boy...jorasshole says he saw NO EVIDENCE that Natalee was doing drugs!!!!

And as for "no sharks on the island"....read the transcript once again...thought jorasshole was afraid of boats!!! So how did he get his "diving license"?  He knew EXACTLY where the sharks were!!!! That is where he left our sweet angel!!!!   That according to YOUR great sporter!!!


And your thread of the transcripts CONVENIENTLY leaves out this info doesn't it you scumbags!!!! Well here it is again!!! Try adding it to your thread and confront your lies according to the "Sporter" himself!!!!

I think julia does but I don't know which one/s.I found john chemaly on someone's myspace or other space today....I didn't know he was gay....not that it matters much.

Google is my friend today  ::MonkeyDance::. 
Post #842  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2578.msg344186

In the grand scheme of things, this means nothing except that I haven't completely lost my mind  ::MonkeyHaHa::

GAY  Aruba
You can even stay gay if you want; at Little David Guesthouse (Seroe Blanco 56A; 297/583.8288; $) a cute, clothing-optional B&B with in the Regentspark neighborhood, several blocks in from the water just south of Oranjestad. Run by a couple of Dutch dudes named Noud and Frans, it’s got five units with TV/AC and a nice back courtyard with a nice pool.

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/davidcopy.jpg?t=1214518186)

You have a very good memory!

This photograph was taken at Jimmy's Place

You have a very good memory!
[/quote]

Thanks!  Now if I could only get it to remember things I need it to  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Speaking of losing your mind... or perhaps smoking' a large portion of it...

I found that Herman from the Netherlands is actually 'representin' for

Nats pretty well this week! He actually knocked this one out of the park!

Herman, you need to do more like this...

DUDE, IZ U SMOKIN' THEM FUNNY TREES???

Your mouth says NOOOO, but your EYES, they say YESSSSS! ::MonkeyHaHa::
 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDDKRlIQTU8

He's actually talented and he keeps putting out youtubes with Natalee's name on it. I wasn't sure what to think at first.. ::MonkeyEek::

Sorry Monkeys for the rant!!!!

I just get so darned angry and emotional over the way Natalee and her family have been run through the mud!!! Bad enough they took her life, but they just keep repeating the wrongs committed against her day in and day out and THAT in my opinion, is their collective sin!!!

How you can stand up for jorasshole and continue to bash Natalee...and post at a place that allows renho to spew her shit...just...it just unnerves me!!!

Yeah he is, he actually made me almost cry with one of them.

He cares, Herman style!!!!

(It's all a brother knows) ::MonkeyWink::

here you can find some local gays from aruba  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www.manhunt.net/

Who was the guy, from Aruba, that was in the Netherlands's bar with Guido?  Michael?

Interesting that Joran mentioned Val's online discussion with Natalie.  I think that's the one about chopping her head off above the eyebrows. 

Was it Rembart? that was on the plane with Koen?

No need to apologize to me!!! They make me want to do some things everyday.

If I had one wish... I'd wish for a magic lantern. I'd rub it, and bring the Genie

out of it... and tell the Genie to go shoot every last gosh dang one of 'em, pretty please.

I have had it up to my MOE-ROCKERZ with the BS, ALREADY! ::MonkeyCool::

I guess it is pretty evident now that that creepy "Marten" guy and the old man who Joran ripped off were probably a few of Joran's "Johns".

YOU sign up and let us know who you find... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, I'll copy and post them in one thread.

I will leave this research to you Johan! Good Luck  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/JJHHJJJHJH.png

I just made a thread for Patrick's book report from BFN:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2981.0

Yup,although Marten liked to pimp out young girls,I think they are part of the same ring. He may have recruited Thai Girls and Rudy Croes gave them the work visas to work in the Brothels,a different flavor then the colombian girls they bring there every single month. All I saw was his constant efforts to bring young girls to Thailand.

Probably many other Dutch dignitaries and rich older tourists that used this service for sex with underage boys. The boys probably all got VIP passes and a small credit line to play in the casino's where the action was at. It makes perfect sense that is where Joran got his money as I could never picture him as a drug dealer,maybe just selling the occasional extasy from his half brother.

The kid just has a severe case of die-uh-poopski of the mouth, don't he???

He tells one lie, and a dozen more fall out.


OVERBOARD -Patrick Van der eem

Joran also says that the friend wasn’t there when it A-L-L happened (i.e. Natalee collapsed)

>and also that ALL EVENTS went so terribly fast.


Natalee collapsing is ONE EVENT.


What was the other event??? Dilbert running to a payphone?

Oh, that'll fry your brain... THAT'S A REAL EVENT.

Give us a break, Joran. Not even your own mother

Henrietta Hippo buys your shinola anymore!

I thought I also read that Daury called a 3rd party with a boat from Patricks book..Sure is a different lie then what we all saw from the tapes where it was just Daury and his boat  ::MonkeyNoNo:: This is all BS and so is this "Daury"

Don't pick up strangers.  Even a girl, less than half your size...

HA HA  joran is to fat for that  site  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/187029516_5_tvqM.jpg?t=1214522758)

There's been a lot of comments about Peter R. and his use of Patrick.

One comment (with a very rough translation) sums up the drug issue.

It is very simple.
Patrick was snuivende and dealende criminal, long before Peter R in his life came. Joran even used drugs, xtc, weed / hashish and coke.
So much for Patrick unbelievable? So much for Joran drugs? Joran has found itself. Crime attracts this boy. If Patrick really was, Joran now had participated in a large wiethok, to pletter gesnoven, swallowed and smoked all the easy money what pe luilekkerland Netherlands so easy in the lap was thrown.
Do you now Peter R de Vries go bad considering that a few dashes of Joran has been taken? That ie an advance to weed / coke joint of Patrick in his klauwtjes has been printed? Man man, three-quarters of the Dutch youth snuift, swallows, zuipt and smokes every week-end to pletter. Ga es look at any house party whatsoever. And now would be just this one specific boy gedraait a corner? From Drugs? Uitgelokt maybe? Improperly treated? Yes yes, and you believe that? Joran knew where dondersgoed ie were doing. I would almost say, he seemed geroutineerd in what pe did. Smoking, rotate, smoking, spinning, smoking .... Indeed, he is errug geroutineerd. This has often done meneertje down on holiday island of Aruba. Close to South America. Doorvoerhaven. The coke is cheap, and like drink plenty. It's warm and the beaches white, the tourism wijfies easy ....

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/misdaadjournalist/2008/06/woensdag-25-j-1.html#comments

Johaan, I apologize if my gay cracks offend you. Maybe I need to put them in perspective. I have nothing in the world bias wise or other against gays, lesbians, or straights. If it isn't my personal sex, the sex others choose to have have nothing to do with me or my opinion of them. I feel as if sexual preference isn't a choice, though ones environment might influence it. I make my cracks simply to "get Joran's goat" so to speak, and I don't mean to spread any bias, either way, about anyone elses sexuality.

So if I have offended you with my remarks, I apologize. I have a lot of bitter feelings towartds Joran and others involved, and sometimes the bitterness spreads outr inappropriately. I have friends of all persuasions, ethinicities, sexes, nationalities, etc, and I choose them baed upon their souil and spirit and not the make, model, or direction of their engine:)

It's a madam.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=224515962

Meet Davin.  He is 32 years old.  He says he's from Amsterdam and currently living in New Zealand.  His site has many familiar Aruban faces including a "very special" friend of JC.

FOR REALLLLLLL, DAYHIKER!!!

10-4, good buddy, come across. (radio static)


---
OVERBOARD -Peter Van der eem

Translation of the shoe story:

(...)
I ask him why he got rid off his shoes.: "That only makes things more complicated?"

"But I thought that something like that would make the whole thing more believable. I know, it's stupid, but in the end I did get a kick out of it", Joran clarifies.


SNIP>

shoes cont'd


J. No, but look, that's exactly it. It was just a load of bullshit with the police. That thing had emerged then. I even have put on the same K-Swiss shoes when I was with the police... during the interrogations I put them on the table. And then these were size 14 and I had told them that I have size 12, you know. Exactly the same shoes... extactly the same...I put on the table.




Doesn't that mean he would have had to been
arrested in those exact same shoes?

Or in 'ROOBA, doez they WET MOMMY BRING IN
A WITTLE SUITCASE from home?

Thanks so much, Klaas.   ::MonkeyCool::

Ughhhh, the thought of Joran as a gay prostitute and his nudie picture both make me want to hurl.javascript:void(0);
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Wow!  You guys have been busy....Davin...David...


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:55 am
Find the music
Only David left the den alive

Lots to "fluffah" and so little time.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

And according to Shango, the third party award goes to JR, JC, and Davin.   ::MonkeyRoll::

FWIW - those people at Jimmy's Place could be anyone's husband, son, father, brother, cousin, uncle or friend.  I wonder how long their picture archives go?

I remember years ago, some pro-JVDS posters made many obnoxious comments, posts, and innuendo about either Art or Jamie (or both) for being seen in gay hangouts in Aruba and SA.  "Jimmy's" rings a bell for that reason.  This would have been from the old RWV.

I have to wonder if they were tracking down some leads.  I think there are probably many tips that haven't been made public, so I have to wonder anew.

Yup..These many escort services are big business in Aruba..Makes me wonder why Paul Brough gave it all up so abruptly? Many tourist area's around the world have it,heck vegas is known for it. But I am sure we can only imagine what it is like in Aruba with prostitution being legal in San Nicolas,drugs and basicly anything goes.. These escorts probably had VIP passes and credit lines everywhere so they could pick up there guests and entertain them.
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Look at the date here..Why did this poster think this particular escort service was relevent? Clevfan also points him out and says he is in big trouble,this is the same guy who talks about a Reality and knowing Michael Posner well. Remember out of all the days to start archiving Mr.Pink Productions,they started on May 30th 2005..Coincidence?

http://hcgtv.net/viewtopic.php?id=1110&p=9

2005-06-19 1:58 am
CHAPPAQUIDICKINARUBA
Guest Re: Joran Van Der Sloot, house searchedI know this isn't a porn site hcgtv, but I thought this was relevent...

http://www.guide2paradise.com/

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#220 2005-06-19 2:15 am
dori
Guest Re: Joran Van Der Sloot, house searched someone from another blog brought up some interesting info to think about-

This aruban sex site is linked to the paypal account of someone referred to as:

paul_brough@hotmail.com

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clevfan
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 17,984
 07-03-2005, 03:30 AM
 RE:Anyone else following this Natalee Holloway case?
these are suspect sites:

www.mrpinkproductions.com

www.guide2paradise.com


both are run by a guy orginally from michigan by the name of paul brough. he is good friends with lorenzo van rijn

old sites are: www.getlegalhookers.com and www.metronightlife.com
RE:Anyone else following this Natalee Holloway case?
What is kinda funny about this guy is that he is a guy from the Detroit area who's name is Paul Brough, he winters in Aruba and runs the local "let's go redwings" chapter there.
He has an escort service down in aruba and was stupid enough to have a few websites down there... www.mrpinkproductions.com and www.guide2paridise.com which used to be www.getlegalhookers.com

Now he is in a heap of trouble down there by the authorities due to this case, even if he isn't involved in it, he's is now cooked bigtime, LOL

Mr Pink

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2068.0

They relate to the scumbag sloots more than Natalee and her family...guess they have the mentality..."Ya gotta stick up for your own".

hai Private eye 
I have nothing  against gays
the question was :Is joran gay or bi ! i think he is

 I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together

and i think you can read that in this statement :

PROCES-VERBAAL

We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.

On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:

Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.

His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.

Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.

I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.

"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.

To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).

To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.

I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.

To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
I KNEW those guys reminded me of someone ---- "Ace" and "Gary"!!!!!!

J. My father knows absolutely nothing. My father has...he knows nothing about this... He doesn't know a thing about the whole event. That's the worst thing of all. That man would die, he wouldn't be able to cope with this. He couldn't even harm a fly. My father is weak.


Notice how he changes up tenses from past to present.

Notice how he stops and starts, stops and starts again.

Notice the repetition of denial.


This kid is so full of sh, he needs to call Scott Petersen to

come start hauling it. The two of them would make a KILLING,

literally.

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From FJ on BFN.

I am still not convinced though. Didn't the police say they found one shoe in his closet and that is why they drained the pond??!!!

Wasn't beth told there was blood on the one shoe found in the closet?

Anyone have the archives on what Beth said about the shoe?


 

I still think there is something to the shoe. May not have been jorans, maybe it was "draury's", but I believe someone lost a shoe that night that held evidence.

Maybe they have DNA sample(s) from a shoe.  DNA does not match Natalee.

They have no match for the DNA.

Perhaps that is why they wanted DNA samples from J2K.  Perhaps that is why there was such a clamor to throw out the DNA samples from Joran.

So, is it possible after all this time, Joran might be a match for some DNA?

I never understood exactly why they wanted DNA at that point in time. 

This is the name of the water sports company that rented the skis to Max and the Staceys.

Caribbean Aquatics N.V.

Yvonne says they were an illegal company an the authorities shut them down the next day.

I suspect Loco Stef is part of this escort service. I see her all the time with these same women in the clubs.

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Truth in advertising, how refreshing! ::MonkeyRoll::

David from Joran's book is a P.O. Box in Miami!

LaLa's - Shango would like to speak with you.

I remember a certain youtube along these lines "I can't remember" or "I don't remember"...

Looks like it's still open to me, or open again?

CARIBBEAN AQUATICS N.V.  
 
Business address GASPARITO 1, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  CARIBBEAN AQUATICS N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  4 FEBRUARY 1999 
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00 
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
HON-NG, WEI LIN;  
Residing in  GASPARITO 7-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 9 JULY 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  4 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN WATERSPORTBEDRIJF W.O. HET GEVEN VAN GELEGENHEID TOT EN VAN INSTRUCTIE IN DE BEOEFENING VAN ONDER EN BOVENWATERSPORTEN EN SPORTVISSERIJ. 

Heres partial lyrics for that Joran song if you have ever wondered what it said.

Joran van der Sloot - Ik heb een boot    
Joran van der Sloot - I have a boat

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4R-6S72l79Q

This is the text:

My name is Sloot, my name is Joran Joran van der sloot
and my friend who has a very beautiful boat

And then we fly to Aruban sea
and then I occasionally someone mee

A blonde girl and her name was hallow halloway
began to shake and I could not really account

I could not really nothing mee
so I dumped her in the high seas
But I say now that I really should not have done

It was my boyfriend with his boat and a banana.
I'm sure not done

After some porn in my bed far gone
And there we go again:

My name is Sloot, my name is Joran Joran van der sloot
and my friend who has a very beautiful boat

Klassend, is Patrick's book in english??

Not yet, right now it's in Dutch and being translated by a dutch poster at BFN who just purchased the book.  I do believe it's going to be published in English too at some time, just not yet.

don't get me started on the "dna samples" again...lol


Still bugs me that Dr. Phil discovery list says "blood sample comparisons"...which means they actually COMPARED MORE THAN ONE!!! sample of blood!!! Just whose were they???!!!

I promise...no more rants tonight!!!! lol   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Just can't figure out the shoes in my mind yet...but they won't go away!!!  ::MonkeyConfused::  lol

So does anyone have anything archived about what Beth said about the shoes? Wasn't that the sole reason for the draining of pond??!! They spent all that time and money if joran was wearing the shoes? Hope ALE was THAT dumb!!!

TY Klassend! ::MonkeyWink::

Here is the transcript from TiVo between Greta and Beth about the blood in the shoe.

Greta: One of the other things brought up in the article is that JVDS shoes have never been found. First of all do you kow anything about the shoes? Any particular significance to why they're looking for the shoes?

Beth: You know Greta now that you mention it I was looking through my journal and there was an update from an FBI official and also from our family liaison that in one of JVDS tennis shoes there was blood in his tennis shoe. I had written that down. I wish that I had been able to obtain more information as to what happened to that one shoe if that was truly blood in his shoe. You know Greta like I said we are just so limited in any type of information we can get.

Greta: Are you suggesting that they did find 1 of the pair of shoes and that they seized that?

Beth: Yes, when I was looking back through my notes there was a date where we received this information either from the FBI or our family liaison that there was blood in Joran's tennis shoe.

Greta: I suppose, of course if there is blood you would be out of your mind not to test the blood to see if it's JVDS blood or not. Do you know if they any testing was done on that shoe?

Beth: No, we don't know we never heard the results of any DNA, if we did hear it was 2 1/2 months later but we never heard anything definitive about the shoe.

Greta: I take it if you heard it was his blood then you would have recalled you got the final results. And let me see if I got this straight you can't recall getting any results on the blood in that shoe if indeed it was blood in the shoe?

Beth: No, it was only mentioned 1 time throughout my journal. Only once.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33190&page=2

Here ya go Lisa..Posted recently by Blonde..

Natalee Holloway Update: Missing Shoe
I've been informed that at a press conference today investigators have asked anyone that may have information as regards a sneaker - K-SWISS (White and Blue) size 14 possibly seen or found near the Marriott or the Fisherman's Hut area to please contact the Police.
Earlier reports have suggested that a search at the home of Joran Va der Sloot turned up a shoe which may have been covered with mud, or muck. The shoe had no match. The last bit of information hasn't been independently confirmed.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_91.htm


On 12-6 BETH told “FoxNews” that early in the investigation, the family was told by the ARUBAN police investigators that blood was found inside a 5-29/30-worn “K-Swiss” brand, size 14, tennis shoe that is predominantly white with some blue trim that belongs to Principal Suspect J. SLOOT that was taken into evidence (the other 5-29/30-worn “K-Swiss” brand, size 14 tennis shoe has--according to the ARUBAN police authorities--has never been found). The ARUBAN police investigators told the family that the found blood inside the tennis shoe taken into evidence would be forensically tested, but, to date, BETH said she does not recall for sure if the ARUBAN police investigators have ever reported about the results of any blood tests, nor have the DUTCH nor the ARUBANS even said if the blood tests have ever been completed on the shoe.

http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

more on the missing shoe (s):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8798488/

SCARBOROUGH: Explain to us about Joran van der Sloot‘s shoes and how that actually is now a part of this investigation.

KOSINSKI: Police have been pretty tightlipped about this. There have been rumors about them looking for a shoe in various places. Today, we know from police they‘re actually looking for a pair of sneakers, K-Swiss blue and white striped sneaker. We even know the size, size 14. So, they put out some detail there.

We know that, when they drained that field and pond, we‘d been told that they were looking for something like that, some evidence. They won‘t go so far as to tell us that they think these were lost on the night Natalee disappeared. But obviously they see them as having some potential evidentiary value because they‘ve been looking for them, they tell us, along beaches, other locations on this island. And they want those sneakers found.

OK I missed something.  Why would he say "kick" rather than hit or punch.

Dec 15, 2005.....Beth Twitty:

...But as far as the letter goes, I just think that is something that really just—they could have addressed that personally.  I mean, I think we need to stay focused on the bloody tennis shoe that was found, the blood on the vehicle that was found and keep our focus on those types of criminal evidence and looking forward to a prosecuting attorney coming in, whoever this is from Curacao.  And I hope whoever this is will be received by the authorities there on the island well and also by the attorney general‘s office. ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10439299/

I bet Dr. Hodges could answer that.

I don't believe the Daury story.  Daury is daddy. 

 ::MonkeyEek::

...and when you KICK SOMEONE


you muss up your shoes, whether they be size 10.5 or 14's...

Size really doesn't matta, do it?

Totally O/T - construction update in Musing  ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2899.msg393829#msg393829

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

So Natalee collapsed.  She collapsed and had a seizure?  If she was in the car or the beach she would be sitting.  She collapsed at the Sloots after Joran hit her with a bat.

Yeh well Natalee was probably freaking out and emberassed the hell out of Joran after she punched him in the face and scratched Gaydo with everything she had. Even more damning was Joran was protecting his own father. If you recall back in November,Mos was trying to explain the Manslaughter charges of having a weapon and using it but not the intent on killing. Bingo

Mos is an A Hole.  If you have a weapon and you use it to me it means intentional.

What was he going to say I only wanted to hit her once in the head I didn't want to kill her. ::MonkeyRoll::

Thanks Buckeye!!!

So if Beth's notes were correct, they had at least one of joran's shoes with what appeared to be blood on it. Could have been the "blood comparisons" in Dr. Phil's discovery list.

Scratch that...one shoe from joran's room...we don't know who it actually belonged to.

So if I go to Aruba and hit Joran in the head with a bat and say it wasn't intentional I shouldn't be in trouble.

Buckeye...you are on the ball tonight!!!!

Didn't they even have press releases talking about the lost shoe also? Do you have those too in your archives Sweetie? Anything about the shoe in the pond search?

WRONG--if you go to Aruba and do that you are in deep s_it.  You are a tourist.  Tourists are always in the wrong.  The victim is this case is the agreved person.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I was being my usual sarcastic self.

In the words of Robots "I hate them all".

Judge Approves Transfer for Suspect in Natalee Holloway Disappearance Case
Thursday, November 22, 2007

THE HAGUE, Netherlands —  A Dutch judge on Thursday approved the transfer to Aruba of a student suspected in the 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean resort island, a prosecutor said.

Joran van der Sloot, 20, was arrested Wednesday in the central city of Arnhem on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in Holloway's death.

Two other suspects, Surinamese brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were arrested in Aruba.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312568,00.html
======================================
My opinion is Mos,The Aruban Govt,AHATA ,ATA and dozens of lawyers debated all aspects of ending this case and what was best for there precious Tourism and there beloved officials. They were set on ending this case and one of the reasons for this arrest was so Joran would cooperate. They decided that justice for Natalee was not the best option for ending this case and the cocaine overdose story had no viable endings. They then gave the green light on the false ending played out by Joran and Patrick. The confession on tape was probably put together in just a few days and they started immediately after his release. MO

Thank you Klaas

Janet

I had been looking for that report off and on for a while.

Thank you Klaas.

Janet

I'm still in shock Carpe. I can't believe they'd sell their island out for a gay male whore!


Rudy must be going ballsistic. He's the main opponent against gay rights on the island, LOL! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rudy doth protest too much!

I'm thinkin' more and more that if we find out who Joran plies his trade for -- we find out who is running the cover up! Now let me see, who runs a whore house? Who derives the income from said whore houses via advertising? Who may be "clients" of Joran? Ya think some judges might be inclined that way??? Enquiring minds want to know. ::MonkeyEek::

o/t real quick

You guys know me..I tend to get real emotional about subjects that touch my heart so took awhile to be able to put into words my experience at the Race For The Cure...but finally have a post in Monk Musings on it.

Totally AWESOME and inspiring!!! Absolutely incredible experience!!!

Thanks for all your support and donations!!!

Hope I made you proud Peaches, you made me so proud of you!!!

Who inserted herself in the case the first day Natalee went missing. ::MonkeyWink::

Who is a traitor to her country.

Shango says JR and her boss JC.

Who is a traitor to her country.

Who has ugly red hair.

******* ... I agree.  However ... I am not ready to give Peter Devries a pass.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++

John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
December 4, 2007

KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.

<snipped>

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Disappointing, Greta. I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made. And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html

San you are just a hoot tonight!!! 2nd post of yours that had me roflmao!!!

And yes I saw it hidden in the middle of the quotes!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Who has a fat bald headed friend from CA.

oops...not hidden..I just missed one!!! I am referring to the "horse's face"  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

....and in honor of PI (who was here today):

with a whore house owner with the face of a goat's ass. ::MonkeyCool::

*******:
My opinion is Mos,The Aruban Govt,AHATA ,ATA and dozens of lawyers debated all aspects of ending this case and what was best for there precious Tourism and there beloved officials. They were set on ending this case and one of the reasons for this arrest was so Joran would cooperate.


In fact, if we drop to the archived news footage, I believe that 7 foot

man-gina... a one Mr. Hans Mos actually said something along the lines to Greta,

WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS CASE TO AN END > ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, by the

last day of 2007.


Problem is Hans... with the power of the free speech of the United States media

machine, and the Internet... YOU PEOPLE CONTROL NOTHING. You do not turn the

dials, you do not throw the switches.

If the world has decided you people are in the wrong in the Natalee Holloway case,

you people are finished. Spent. Done. Over. Stick a fork in it. Kaput. Burnt Toast.

Anita Van der sloot's paintings. OVER OVER OVER OVER... WILL ROBINSON ....

ONCE AGAIN, FOR THE SLOW ARUBANS...

YOU CONTROL N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

Don't believe me??? Look out your window. You attract NOBODY anymore,

and you people KNOW IT, and it is driving your locals slap chit CRAZY!!!!

Just read the papers each day, they're all going boo-cooey cuckoo in their

coconuts.

Justice for Natalee!

::MonkeyCool::

And talks with a fake accent......................must be a side effect from talking out of both sides of your mouth. ::MonkeyCool::

San, I don't think they're listening to us.   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

And Good riddance from all of us, too!    ::cartwheel::

Sorry about the extra B. ::MonkeyHaHa::  My fingers are getting a little frustrated.

CBB - good to see you! 

That's OK, SS! I'll just apply it to the un-named person we've been providing clues for: MS BEE-OTCH!

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 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Sasha wrote:

The average hotel occupancy these days for Aruba is only 30%. Even some of the hotels like the DIVI that usually has 90% occupancy is down to 30%. And we have other hotels that are at 12%. There is nobody on the island. The beaches are empty and for the first time in meany years, there is no traffic.

Jun 24, 2008 8:51 PM  

Sasha's news is good news, Dayhiker!

Hiya Klaas! You're still in hard hat mode? Bless you!!!

I still don't think they got it.  Should I increase the font size?   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://travel.webshots.com/album/547812921kjRwxo

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

reminds me of Peaches' avatar!!

Here is the challenge...

Wasn't is relatively recent that someone in some official capacity of some form was claiming that "revenues" from the hotel/casinos was actually "up" -- ? ? ?

Now Sasha reports occupancy race are, in actuality, down... ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Sure makes a case for the exposure of "money laundering" activities....

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I'm behind, but thought of this earlier, too.......

Let's try purple....

Dear Monkeys,

JR and JC

Love,

SS, San, and CBB

errrr.... ::MonkeyEek::

That was supposed to be "occupancy rates" NOT "occupancy race"  ::MonkeyNoNo::

SS - so you think Julia Renfro and John Chemaly may possibly have something to do with prostitution (male and female) in Aruba?  Very possible.   ::MonkeyCool::

Yup,I believe Loco Stef is a Escort now and she was one in 2005. I see her all over the place with these same girls who are part of this escort service. This was one of his three girlfriends when Natalee dissapeared.

(Loco Stef is in at least a dozen pictures with these same girls) mifmaruba.com
(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/6531/normalsenorsatur119390fe6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/7418/67moomba67bp5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(Same girls christi and Mary)
http://www.myspace.com/arubasweeties
http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/arubasweeties/?action=view&current=Christi1.jpg

I can't tell but this might be Stef here.

http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/arubasweeties/?action=view&current=Christi1.jpg

I does!  ::MonkeyShocked::

I accidently hit 125% with my little finger and that cat jumped up - I almost fell outta bed ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyCool::

I found a picture of Steph yesterday.  She was drinking one of those yard things.  I'll bring it here when I find it again.

I don't think that pic is Stef, but I wouldn't doubt she is an escort. I wouldn't be surprised that Joran knows Stef from the "Company Picnic."
The "girl" in blue looks kind of mannish to me -- maybe what Joran aspires to!!  Don't hit me, but I think Stef is a pretty girl -- what a shame.

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/drrttryrtytryFDDDF.png)

Dang! I flipped the page and thought I was going to get my eye poked out by Ms Mammery!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here's Lipshidt:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Joranlips.gif)

IMO - no, this one is NOT Stef

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Christi1.jpg)

http://www.awe24.com/

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I haven't a clue  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyCool::

I can usually decipher a few words -- but not this one -- any clue?

I think it's her but not sure. Normally her mouth and nose are a dead giveaway. When her hair and eyes are lighter and when she has that huge smile she looks different. Those other two with her at the clubs and here mifmaruba.com are definetly the two on that escort site.

******* - when I enlarged that photo the nose did not look the same as Stef to me.  I don't doubt that Stef is part of an escort service though.

Those young women would be impossible to drown:)

Is that a photo of Joran refusing the big breasted girls advances towards him? Anita's spoiled milk probably ruined him as a breast man/boy as an infant:) We now have seen evidence as to just what those "toxic titties" of Anita's did to his privates, and while they are quite small, one might even say tiny, they are no small or laughing matter for him:) Maybe for his friends but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

UFO sighting?!?

No hard feelings...I was still pissed at the situation...

I have other pictures with her mouth closed and dark hair and she looks so similar..But your right the nose look's different from that angle. It doesn't matter really but it would be nice to link her and Joran as escorts in May 2005,perhaps working for the same outfit/person.

With all the talk lately about Guido,Joran being a escort,Credit lines,Gambling..etc..Iv'e had Michael Posner on my mind and it's amazing we do not have one confirmed photo of him in like the last 30 years. He's never in the papers and little info is available on him. He ran massage parlors and prostitutes back in the day in chicago and in this case his stomping grounds are the center of this case. He hired his own PI,Had the meeting (Rumored Guido pissed in his pants) with his gay croupier who is a suspect in this case and fled the island in the beginning,some articles say Canada. For some reason his video of that night in the casino is obviously altered and obstructing the view of a man that appears to be Paulus. We all know he is talking to Natalee just a few hours before she vanishes forever. We also have Law Firms from chicago,PI'S from chicago,sinister bloggers from chicago and Mob attorneys.

He's a old man now but that doesn't mean he will turn away big money from a escort service using his Hotels and Casino. He may not even have been in Aruba that night,it doesnt matter because he's a mobster and he knew all about the prostitution,drugs and money laundering out of his casino's and hotels. I am quite sure he is connected to the same Mob out of sicily/Aruba and Canada that owned the HI before him and owns much of Aruba. His involvement in this is still suspicious.IMO

Was Clevfan right? He claims Paul Brough and Lorenzo are friends and a Reality and Michael Posner know each other well.

I hope no one will mind my giving this post a bump from the prior thread to say something about it.  As you can tell....I'm catching up, haven't been on since last night.  I had very little sleep last night....the anger over the "pure speculation" post that was brought over here from BNH had consumed me!  The seeming cruelty of that post..and others..and WHY someone would want to inflict that on Natalee's precious family after three years was just astounding to me.  I know to consider the source...and know that they too will face judgement some day...but it just made me so MAD...and sad.  I was tired at work all day...it was a very long day..came home and did what I absolutely had to do and then took a very long nap.  Finally got to come here to catch up and I almost immediately see this post from Private Eye...someone I have missed so much.  I don't know why PI was inspired to make this post today...but it was just what I needed to read.  My sister IM'd me before I had a chance to make this post...and I told her about it, how I'd been feeling...and what a blessing it was to me.  I made the statement that our God is an awesome God to bring such joy to this family...and she said yes...to quote my pastor brother in law (her husband)...God is good all the time!  Thank you PI for sharing this...it made my day!
TM
 ::MonkeyCool::     

I'd be willing to bet ClevFan is right about Paul Brough and Lorenzo and possibly Reality/Posner as well.

http://friends.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewfriends2&friendID=224515962&MyToken=b01da669-8ac2-4b51-ab98-7bfed3febcd1

Is this The Sander on Darvin's myspace page?

No, that is a different Sander, not Sander Gottenbos

******* - Yes, it seems like there are many who were talking in June/July of 2005 that would like this to "go away" now.

No doubt about that,I just wish one of them would post anonymously somewhere with whatever facts they may know. No matter how small. Theres a few out there that can help us a great deal but they choose not to,instead they watch us struggle day after day trying to piece this together  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hero Brinkman has asked secretary for kingdom affairs Bijleveld and justice minister Ballin questions about the Nico Jörg interview.

+ have they (Bijleveld/Ballin) read the Volkskrant interview (20th june)

+ were they aware of Jörgs corruption/nepotism/conflicts of interests allegations?

+ what are the financial costs of this sort of corruption over the last 5 years?

+ do the officials who got there jobs because of nepotism have to resign immediately, and if this happens again - will this be prosecuted.

+ what does it mean that the OM on Aruba faces opposition if it wants to prosecute more than just 'street crimes'?
further, how did the OM try to fight this opposition and were punishable offences committed in the process by others?

+ applies the same to the Antilles? if so, should the debt relief be terminated.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_43865.php

http://www.tweedekamer.nl/images/vrg26_tcm118-2271.doc (page 7)
2070823860



the government has to answer by letter or in person in the parliament.

Bijleveld said a few days ago in another Volkskrant interview that Brinkman is right.
so it will be interesting to see how see responds now.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1034040.ece
http://www.thedailyherald.com/tdhonline/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=190
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43784.php

Nico Jörg interview:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1033290.ece
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1033343.ece

another thing:

PVV (Brinkman's party) has possibly an unprecedented fraud case uncovered.
pensioners on Aruba and The Antilles get a pension as early as when the are 60.

PVV discovered that the can move to The Netherlands and claim social benefits there.
the Aruban/Antilles databases are not linked up with the Dutch.
so they can claim those benefits as if they weren't already getting a pension.

PVV asked questions to the minister of the interior and the minister of social affairs.

http://pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_deeppockets&task=contShow&id=1147&Itemid=38

last week Brinkman wrote four so called 'weblogs' on the site of newspaper Trouw:

http://www.trouw.nl/hetnieuws/nederland/article1014843.ece/
http://www.trouw.nl/hetnieuws/nederland/article1015452.ece/
http://www.trouw.nl/hetnieuws/nederland/article1016578.ece/
http://www.trouw.nl/hetnieuws/nederland/article1017801.ece/

not surprisingly, all about corruption on the Antilles/Aruba.
this was in the same week as the POK meetings (between delegations from Netherlands/Antilles/Aruba).

and this week the Jörg interview and the Bijleveld/Ballin trip to Aruba/Antilles.
with the Bijleveld interview where she said Brinkman was right.
interesting to see if this is going anywhere.

I cut out the pictures as there is no need anymore to view the corpses floating off the Aruban beach. I believe the article says there was some confusion that there was 3 colombians but there are 2. All I know from viewing all the pictures is one of the bodies is far more decomposed then the other/s. It's not even close.

6-27-08
(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2995/awemaintatr8.png) (http://imageshack.us)

Thats great news Caesu! I am very happy to see hero taking a interest in Nico Jorg and asking questions about the corruption in Aruba. If true about the Fraud that is enormous!

I think Jorg and Brinkman should do lunch  ::MonkeyWink::

another fare-well interview with Jörg.
this time over the salaries for the OM officials (especially prosecutors).

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_43863.php

in short he says it doesn't make sense that Oduber doesn't want prosecutors to earn less than he does.
(this is all related to PG Fernandez-Croes who is still sitting at home waiting to get her pension agreed on).

Jörg also said that Oduber and Rudy Croes are openly fighting with eachother.
(i believe Croes doesn't mind if the prosecutors earn more, few weeks ago they were contradicting eachother in Amigoe articles in noticed).

i really hope Jörg is going to speak out more often.
because then Oduber and/or Rudy are going to respond.
and usually their responses backfire.
especially since they are 'openly fighting' - according to Jörg.

now Brinkman has the 'stamp of approval' from Bijleveld.
such a lunch might work very well.
if Jörg, Brinkman and Bijleveld are all on the same page.

no other politician can't anymore ignore it when Brinkman tries to get the corruption on the agenda.

also when i read the comments in the newspapers.
i hardly find anyone disagreeing with Brinkman.
so that might be the reason why Bijleveld is forced to take Brinkman serious now, if she doesn't want to de ridiculed herself
(other political parties used to ridicule PVV / Brinkman).

(there was another female minister a few weeks ago, she almost started crying on TV when a journalist asked her reasonable questions - Bijleveld doesn't want that happen to her too)
http://www.geenstijl.tv/2008/04/rutger_en_de_mediastilte_van_e.html (in dutch, but last few minutes are silent anyway)

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  ::MonkeyRoll::

There has been a rumor for many months now that Joran has a weakness for coffee -- especially after a heavy night of partying...

Because of this vital intel a smart group of SM monkeys developed this secret weapon .... which caused his coffee craving to be quite addictive in its own right -- even better than XTC... !!!

We are going to give everyone here a chance to see how this weapon works ...

Click here and follow the instructions completely...

Then the truth will be revealed to all ...

http://tinyurl.com/546l8 (http://tinyurl.com/546l8)

Now you know the real truth why Joran loves his coffee soooo much...  ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::
Great find Silverfox!

Thanks for all the great info Caesu!  You're awesome!   ::MonkeyCool::

For those working on a possible Florida Connection.  Posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

Jonathan45

   
PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject:
   
" Rockin' Royalty" a 'psycho' play launched by Sharky Joran & CokeDog Patrick


Guido W, Hiram V. Paulus VDS and ofcourse Wetboy Daury.

to be continued ?

Please call Rockin' at the Lynn University in Boca Raton in South Florida.

 :smt102

Rockin' Royalty is also the name of Hiram Vrolijk's blog.

http://rockinroyalty.blogspot.com/2006/09/introductionhi-my-name-is-hiram.html

Thanks Pita

I knew the name was familiar.

You're welcome!   

Diario Aruba Editorial Cartoon for today -

(http://news.diario-aruba.com//images/stories/2008N/juni/27/car.jpg)

Can anyone explain this?

This "Jossy" has been in quite a few cartoons lately.  Is this Jossy Mansur?

It looks like a giant Excremental/Golgothan.

The Papi translator doesn't give me a clue...

Just to clarify...

"It" is the thing carrying the box, not Jossy.

(http://www.den-engh.nl/templates/tdwfreedom_451/images/mainpiclogonew.jpg)
this is the Engh in den Dolder !

Den Engh

Den Engh is a partly closed, partly decided for youngsters to educate and treat seriously behaviorally and / or criminal youth.
The boys are between 12 and 23 years and operate on low brain level (IQ between 60 and 85). They are often jammed within the education and / or unemployed and their future is extremely worrying.

The bringing up and deal with Den Engh focuses on problem behaviour, but also on housing and living, training and work. In addition, there is emphasis on income and dealing with money, friends and leisure activities, alcohol and drugs, thinking, skills, behaviour and attitude.
This is done through a tailored education and training, participation in Workwise (a program for arbeidstoeleiding) and - where needed - individual behandelvormen (therapy) to be deployed. Also, recognition was given to psycho-education regarding ao sexuality, drugs and alcohol.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/deenghdendoldercopy.jpg?t=1214567569)

All this prostitution stuff reminds me of a few other scams.

Addict someone to drugs, gambling, or something as simple as dance lessons.  Promise them a better life, glitz, the spotlight, fame, fortune, fine clothes, cars, and the 'easy' road to riches.  Let them run up a hugh debt.

Time to pay...   Show them the easy way to pay up and continue to live the good life.

A simple plan.

Would a good parent do anything to get their kid out of such trouble?

Swiss blue and white striped sneaker
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba/89011309_9d954afab6.jpg)

It was probably Anita that recommended gay prostitutuion to the delicious sporter.

too cute!!

*******, Can you edit the next to the last post in the Brandon Swanson thread of the Missing Persons category?  Can you delete two of those paragraphs?  I think my computer hiccuped twice.  Thanks.

Done and Done  ::MonkeyWink::

From GBMW!


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The Free People Column:

Justice-orgies and blackmail on the West Indies


Micha Kat June 26, 2008
 


With public disclosure of the paedophile network leaders from around the world of justice and politics is a world in images of sex, corruption, fraud and blackmail which we VERY FAR BACK in history to have something comparable to be found. Hans Holthuis, Joost Tonino, Joris Demmink and Paulus van der Sloot: they all belong to the same club of judicial pervert who at the expense of the taxpayer to kill our rule of law have helped. This episode takes us back to the flat of "pedo-professor Ger van Roon in Amsterdam-North, but to the garden of the family of Van Der Sloot in Aruba ...
SABOTAGE KLOKKENLUIDERONLINE??


This piece is placed on HVV because the website klokkenluideronline which it was intended is probably sabotaged. To the causes of the series of failures is now investigated.

The Dutch judiciary is on a colossal scale extortion with pornographic material on prosecutors and judges. That conclusion is no longer escape. People like Eddy Kroes-the three times he was sentenced to a lengthy prison-knew from the cell to abide by leaders of Justice to confront with imagery in which they highly compromising stands to be seen. In the case of the Kroes was the blackmail Hans Holthuis that the PPS with the tail between his legs had to leave. Holthuis belonged to the 'Demmink network' of paedophile 'senior'. But officers as Jan Wolter Wabeke (by Bram Peper) and Joost Tonino (from business leaders come into view as Cor Boonstra) seem to have become the victim of blackmail such practices. An important indication is that 'big business' of these officers uitdraaiden (very expensive) failures while for everyone while also clearly visible was that the defendants were guilty as hell. But that blackmail may also work on the other side and want to ensure that innocent people are convicted, as was the case with the Kurdish Baybasin businessman who had to swallow because lifelong Justice chief executive Joris Demmink was blackmailed with disclosure of his pedo-files as Baybasin not behind bars would disappear. The entire Dutch law has been disrupted by all those magistrates that their penis-envy but do not know to be limited to the marital sponde or pinch of standing up to a brothel. No, it needs much smeriger, in gardens, front and back of official cars, with sinister and illegal orgies with imported minderarigen. Otherwise, we get 'm really no longer prevails among our toga.

Having said all that, dare we are also the best argument that Joran van der Sloot remains at liberty is because his father Paul so much dirty shit in file about the Dutch Antilles to magistrates that they at least three parliamentary inquiries could be filled . From publicly available sources is already so much filth to top that we can easily say that the West Indies on a continuous orgy of copulerende and ejaculerende magistrates from boredom and depravity not know where they leuter now must instoppen. What about the lower shore to hit criminal Cor Merx, until 2005 the CEO of the PPS in the Antilles, which went under in a tsunami of corruption, fraud and sex? Read the (nearly) complete Merx files which the reader must realize that the OM yes, we are good for our people! - This Merx after they entered the West Indies was off geejaculeerd even has appointed Advocate General Den Haag. Is it not a truism that subordinates the behavior of their boss copy? Well, we know immediately what the average Antillean OM'mer as the first act of the day was done after the opening of the already tired eyes and act berof not again go through the files of current affairs. Then there are the not-yet-issued detailed descriptions of the whores and sloeren by the Public Prosecutor Ernst Wesselius acting in the name of the queen is stationed on Bonaire and long time even reported on his interesting experiences "on the islands the door of the PPS. Also extortion, which has been initiated for the reader of the direct link already clear. It also deserves to be called the biggest criminal in the history of the Dutch OM, French Pommer, billenmaat of Merx at the public prosecutor in Maastricht until 2000 when both the West Indies under the palm trees went lie relax. The ground was Pommer Netherlands in a little hot under the feet become after it was revealed that he as an officer in a major drug issues no less than eight observation orders had falsified. For an ordinary citizen opgeknoopt the reason, but within the OM, such forms of corruption are rewarded with a ticktet to Willemstad. On the islands became Pommer almost entirely from the media has managed to remain so entangled in the web of known fraud, blackmail, sex and corruption that for nothing else than him but left again to get back to the Netherlands where he is currently connected to the Prosecutor in Roermond.

Well, in this cosy atmosphere of give and take was one Paulus van der Sloot, proud father of the ambitious Joran, judge-in-training. Need we say more? Paul is still a suspect in the Holloway case but worse still is that there never really been done to research the life and work of Paul on the islands. We suspect that by Justice Paul was stationed in Aruba as a sort of maitre de plaisir as we know from the times of the Roman Empire and Louis XIV at Versailles with the task of organising lectures and interesting legal jurisprudence evenings. In other words, Paul knows like no other magistrate which are leuter on what day and what a beach chair in which minor schandknaapje and he has put deinst there is not as good father to back this knowledge to be deployed to protect zoonlief. It seems the ultimate depravity of macabre circle around: the OM is even blackmailed by their own judiciary! Let us soon agree what further look at those other mysterious justice-figure about whom very little is known fact: Ernst Hirsch Ballin, Minister of Justice.

Jan Mulder: boekenbal with Patrick Van der eem

Source: vk.tv 26 06 08

http://www.vk.tv/video/1035412

Ahh protect the gay,dope smoking,raping,pathological lying zoonlief at all costs  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Are you a Zoonlief Johan?  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks and Thanks   ::MonkeyCool::

It's almost carpet time for Klaas.

    ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Peel back the onion! Caesu, once this snowball starts rolling it will be hard to stop.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

30 minutes early!!  I like early!  The neighbors may not, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Monkeys....What is the name of the Diario reporter, the one who claimed to be chasing another car in the beginning of the NH case...the reporter still works there according to another poster....TIA

Destiny

Hubert Tiel

Natalee Holloway: I Don't Get It

I don't get it. I am listening live to Beth Twitty with Greta talking about the Diario reporter tracking someone he thought was Natalee from place to place in Aruba ...  Beth said the reporter contacted her through the Natalee hotline, perhaps in September. And this is information which has been kept secret until now.

Wouldn't this be Herbert Tiel, the reporter who came on during a Fox cutaway to Aruba while I was in the Green Room at Fox and he claimed to be tracking Natalee?

That was on Fox and posted in comments months ago on at least two blogs, including mine. This does not compute. See below.

MBM
....
Hubert Tiel, Diario Newspaper:

He told Fox reporter:
We have been working on this case since the first day, since then have picked up every piece of material, so they can have everything to put together this story. Tonight again we are on the road cause the team is following some suspect cars that we need for this story. Looks like we are going to have a nice finish for this story asap. His sources say they have moved already from where they were and they want to know exactly where they are going.
She asks who do you think is moving Natalie and is he saying that he thinks she is alive?
He says yes, of course. We are going in a group of 2 ladies, 3 gentlemen. One gentlemen knows a person who knows how to deal with drugs (not from Aruba) maybe from Venezuela or Columbia. The plan was to drive Natalee to columbia, but the latest news we have right now is that because the plan has failed 3 times already, they may try to reach Columbia before Venezuela.
She asked what kind of condition he thinks she is in.
He says that the police have their investigation going on, the press does too. We are going to all steps we can, we have put together a group to follow a car that we think are involved in this. We are working on a tip. Have not notified her family, we are working with the police.
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject:
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Below was -Posted by AkekoaHoAlethia

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Yes He did he say they are following someone right now, right this minute? a car, with two females and 3 males, one a known drug dealer from Colombia or Venezuela....
They had planned to take NH to Columbia but that didn't work so now the plan is to go to Venezula first.

I replayed it to get it right.

Hubert Tiel said, "very definitely" when asked if he thought NH was alive.
Hubert did not answer the question about NH's condition. He only said "VERY DEFINITELY ALIVE"

I inquired in an email to Diaro and never received a response on this.

Apparently FOX did not want to pursue this story either on air. We never heard another word from any FOX reports.

Perhaps the DIARIO didn't want to be exposed for this type of hype.

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http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/staff/

REDACTOR DEPORTIVO (Sports Editor)
Hubert Tiel

DIRECCION
Engelandstraat 29
P.O. Box 557, P.O. Box 695
Tel: (297) 826747
Fax: (297) 828551
E-mail: diario@setarnet.aw

Posted by: AkekoaHoAlethia | Aug 29, 2005 4:21:34 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/11/natalee_hollowa_53.html

Good Morning Everyone!!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/RFTRETERT.jpg)

Given the physical traits Joran was blessed with, I think he made a wise choice to become a "gay bottom"! You gotta use what you got:) ::MonkeyDance::

Did the Monkeys ever get an answer to the analysis of the material found in the cage by the Persistence, but removed and secured by the Arubans? In Particular, the material that appeared to be blue denim?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You think he role plays as the girl? Or the manly man? I always wonder.

Negative..Also,as you know the Persistence scanned the pond because of a credible tip before they left Aruba,it was chained off and drained but the OM denied it was ever searched.

TY *******....Destiny... ;-)

zoonlief what is that ? ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

this is interesting stuff.
Micha Kat has been writing about the pedo-allegations of Joris Demmink for years.

http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/?pagina=6469

Just received bargain travel advertisement from Sherman travel. 5 night Aruban vacation including air for $399 at the Aruban Resort and Casino. Damn tourism must be going through the roof to make such an offer (sarcasm). Rot in hell Aruba

Air accommodations include traveling by dog crate in luggage compartment and a nice tent next to Boeti's place on the beach.

 ::MonkeyRoll::

Sorry....forgot to add the link for my previous post:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379227#msg379227

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

To be honest the hotel is a 5 star, very impressive. You should check it out. It is amazing that these tourism people screwed the people of Aruba for some low life douche bags. Some people are just soooooooo stupid poster boys for abortions. I do feel sorry for the innocent people there but you know what when there is an oppressive government the people need to rise up and be heard. Violence is sometimes necessary.

Den DOLDER  instituut  DEN ENGH

overview  den Dolder
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ENGHDENDOLDERcopy.jpg?t=1214580739)

Beware of offers from "5 Star" hotels and their own pictures of the property! Especially at THOSE prices!

Those prices are always based on "double occupancy" and are per person -- but it is still dirt cheap. Once you get there - don't be surprized you are charged $100 per meal or something.

I have no intention of ever going there. This is for single occupancy. I hate that place. Besides if I would go now who knows what I might find in my backside when I woke up. Sorry that is an outty not an inny.

Arabian Night at Senor Frog's 6/26/08 - the sign makes it easier to find their targets  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://mangodesignstudio.com/gallery/albums/26-06-2008-FROGSARABIAN/normal_54SENORFROGS_54.JPG)

http://www.mifmaruba.com/gallery.html

And a free hit off Boeti's crack pipe. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Why would Urine even use the phrase...*KICK A GIRL*....

online dictionary says "son or boy"

Same observation that San had last night...

Very interesting, the junk that comes tumbling

out of his mind, huh?

Joran is a soccer player... they use their feet a lot.

Did he ever have any notable martial arts training of any sort???

Texasmom

Private Eye

Both Jossy Mansur and Art Wood implied on the Dana Pretzer show  that the draining of the pond was unrelated to the Natalee Holloway.  However Caps (above posts) and Kyle indicated otherwise.

IIRC ... the ALE claimed the draining of the pond was related the dissappearance of an Aruba (forget his name).

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Does anybody know if any photos ever surfaced in the media/ internet of the activity encompassing the draining of the pond ... even from a distance?

Janet

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The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Wednesday, June 4, 2008 - Guests Include Clint Van Zandt, Art Wood and Jossy Mansur Discussing The Natalee Holloway Investigation 3 Years Later.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/06/04/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tonight-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-clint-van-zandt-art-wood-discussing-the-natalee-holloway-investigation-3-years-later/

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Quote from: MumInOhio on May 16, 2008, 01:10:17 PM
OE ... do you know who has been/is searching the pond?  ALE?

Oceanexploration:
ALE, but there may have been others included.  We were asked to attend.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2844.msg381968#msg381968

I have video of the feb. search...

The pond still had some water in it, 'cuz they were using

equipment out of a small boat.

Thanks carpe

I have access to a photo that was taken of a crew member in a small boat scanning the Monserat Pond prior to the Persistence leaving Aruba.

I was referring to the recent draining of the Monserat Pond ... the pond that Caps and Kyle is referring to.

Janet

Janet,
I have not seen any pictures of the May activities at the pond.  Only pictures of the pond full of water.....and completely empty of water.  I believe the video that Carpe is referring to is when the Persistence crew scanned the pond right before leaving the island.  I have not seen any evidence that Texas Equusearch had been contacted regarding Carlos Tromp's disappearance before the February scanning of the pond.  I don't know what the scans of the pond showed....and have wondered if any findings may have been determined to have been from more recent activity than Natalee's disappearance in 2005.  I believe that someone "with authority" evaluated that pond during the days/nights that Caps and Oceanexploration referred to, and why this is being denied is beyond me. 

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/QMPD97235/zfebruary1jn0-1.jpg)

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/QMPD97235/zfebruarycr7-1.jpg)

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/QMPD97235/MonseratNationalDamFeb08pond1.jpg)

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/QMPD97235/Monseratdam_national_1.jpg)

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/QMPD97235/Monseratdam_national_2.jpg)

Janet
I do not know how trustworthy you may consider me...but I promise you that pond was connected to the Natalee Holloway case.  I can't explain how and why and what the outcome has been.  You and everyone else here will just have to take my word for it. Have I ever said anything related to this case and used the words trust me that has been proven to be a lie?  Who or if anyone one actually drained that pond and found anything there I do not have that on any authority to say so, but the interest in that pond is the direct result of a connection in this case.  Unfortunately, it appears that nothing else is going to happen at this point. Maybe there was nothing there to be found.

My opinion on the latest pond search:
1) The ALE LIES
2) Art Wood and Jossy are simply "out of the loop" on this one.

Hmmmm

Janet,


I remember back about a week ago...

Senor Rob stumbled across tons of pics from Caps. (pic blog)

I wonder if that would contain some of the pics u may be looking for?

 ::MonkeyTongue::


ALE = ARUBAN LIE ENFORCEMENT

No, I don't think so.

Excuse my English but:

Ain't that the truth!    ::MonkeyDance::

They are DESPICABLE, every last one of them. I trust the Cub Scouts to do

a better job.

The Cub Scouts tell the truth.

Thanks for the input all.

Well ... 10 year old grandson has been waiting patiently (?) for his "turn" on this computer to play some game.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyways ... I have lots to do.

Janet

This is just my opinion...I believe Caps and OE 100%, they have no reason to lie or mislead anyone.  Both have dedicated much time and effort to find answers in this case.  I believe "something" of interest was located from the scan...I have no idea what....but there's been too much activity at that pond for the results to have been otherwise.

 ::MonkeyCool::

LALA'S...Nanner basket ;-)

Destiny

Thanks.  ::MonkeyCool::

O/T but it is slow today...
Has anyone ever noticed that if there is a fly that keeps buzzing around in the house annoying the heck out of you suddenly disappears when you grab the fly swatter? 

Knock knock Destiny

YES   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/RenfroSwat.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::

Sayyyyy mamaaaa, dat fly b. UG-UH-LY.    (SPLAT!)

She's so ugly, it requires an extra syllable!




> BON DIA dead person


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/DFDFDG.jpg)

Renee Gielen  :

I have tried for an independent inquiry, focused on Alabama and a country in Central America. That investigation will cost money and it gives me not yet succeeded to get this financed. I asked the private sector in Aruba for money .
I asked also the public broadcaster in the Netherlands for money but they don't respond 

I regret this because I am a very clue to the track was and still am.

I would like to solve, for Natalee, Aruba and all others involved. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Volunteer Gielen :

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/volontiergielencopy.jpg?t=1214592695)

Well, that's interesting.  Wonder why she wants to do that? What is she looking for?  Hmmm.

Only some of it remains.  The Simian information and the key to the Merian code that we had all worked on is gone.  The pictures of the pond before it was drained are still there, as are pictures of the Lekker restaurant.  The pictures of the drained pond and the drainage pipes are also gone.

This ANOTHER body?  ::MonkeyShocked::

And, yet....no one wonders why?

Sure is slow in here today...think I will go do some work for a change.  ::MonkeyCool::

The key to the Mirian code is here...If you let me know what discussions you want I will look through the index...Only have done to the end of thread 3 and not all of the 1st. thread. and it may take me a while, as I do 10 pages at a time, and will need to search them. a rought date helps...

« Reply #863 on: April 24, 2008, 09:56:34 PM »Klaas

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.860

I agree with you completely.  OE and CAPS have always been 100% truthful and they have given us as much as they have been able to give under the circumstances.  Kyle made a lot of personal sacrfices when he spent time in Aruba searching.  I am certain that there is information that he can't share because it would be out of place for him to do so.  CAPS has most likely made some enemies.  Sometimes, when he came up with stuff, it seemed bizarre.   This past week has been a great example of how much I appreciate him.

I hope the spot where Renee is standing is the front of the line to be spayed.

Thanks Mum,

I have the key to the identities.  Fortunately, I copied it when it was first produced.  If you or anyone else needs some help typing or transcribing stuff please let me know.  I promise that I'll even use spellcheck.

::MonkeyLaugh:: I'm thinking it might be better if they just "put her down."

Yes, I agree!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/EAR.jpg?t=1214599004)

Ss…You are welcome…I can spell…just can’t type…and in too much of a hurry to check...Thanks...I will let you know if I need a favour… ::MonkeyWink::

uhhh ..... the pic shows Joran's right ear. It is so grainy, I don't think you can measure accurately.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I do not believe for one minute that Jossy Mansur and Art Wood have an agenda to deceive.

Out of a deep loyality and appreciation for Jossy and Art's three year history upholding the family in their quest for justice and closure in the disappearance of their beloved Natalee ... I will wait  for the truth to be revealed in God's timing.  Anything less I believe would be a betrayal to all these men have done and sacrificed.

Janet

Over the past few days, I have read several emails from Jossy to someone who is a friend of his. I can't share those emails here because they were intended as personal communications, and it wouldn't be appropriate to make them public. However, having read them, I have every faith that Jossy is on the side of Natalee and her family.

yep the other ear  ha ha  ::MonkeyDance::

I wouldn't accuse Jossy or Art of anything at all -- I just think they may be out of the loop on this one. There is no central clearing house -- no one can possibly be aware of all goings on.

Ya knowwww, I have some old magazines that Rene heifer might be interested

in. Hobbies and stuff she could do to fill her time...

HOW TO MAKE PSANKY EGGS

MODEL AIRPLANE BUILDING

LATCH HOOKING

BINGO, IT'S NOT JUST A GAME...

PIMP MY CELLPHONE CASE


I would be willing to ship any of them to her, to get her interested

in ANYYYYYYYYYYYYYY THING else, but the Natalee Holloway case!!!!


That ol' bizzer is just a pest, man. She doesn't know when she's been licked.


GAME OVER, RENE!

U go home now, okay?
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet,
I don't know what I said that set you off, but nothing in reference to Jossy or Art Wood was even in the train of thought that inspired my comments.  My opinion was stated in reference to the OM's denial that the pond had been searched.  The statements that Caps and OE have made to us, and other evidence in my opinion indicates otherwise. 

You have as much right to express your opinion on the matter as I do, however; I don't appreciate your quoting me and then insinuating that my statement was something that it wasn't....

FYI...I am not one that doubts Jossy's assistance and dedication to this case, nor Art Wood's; and have never accused them of "having an agenda to deceive".

Please have a cup of coffee...or three....thanks!

 ::MonkeyCool::

I think she's hanging around to see if she can get the balls, Carpe.  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Carpe and Dayhiker!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

::MonkeyHaHa:: I bet I know who the "donee" is!!!!  ::cartwheel::

I missed this earlier!  Very good interpretation IMO!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Well, our girl Rene will be hanging around for 'em for quite awhile...

I just got off the phone with Hans Mos this afternoon, he told me

that he could neither confirm or deny the fact that he has them!

 ::MonkeyWink::

Aruba = "Land of the Eunich"

It's all in the name, Wreck.


ARUBA in Arawak, I think it means small opening or slit, doesn't it?

so another 1

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/JORAN_5.jpg?t=1214603904)

I still hope we can get a pic from Thailand that shows both eyes looking forward. If there is one normal eye and one squinty, there will be no doubt in my mind that it's Joran.

wreck - you might like this.

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/02/eunuch-lsland.html

I don't know how you are measuring 2 different pictures without exact scale, but the 2 ears LOOK the exact same to me feature wise. Ears are pretty unique -- these look identical to me.

I believe that Jossy and Art's response to Dana would have impled that they did not know if the draining had anything to do with the Natalee Holloway case.

That would have been my response if Dana had asked me.

IMO

Janet

I currently know 571 people in my extended network who

would love to punch that stupid look off his face!

::MonkeyTongue::

How about a comparison of the 'nooks & crannies'?  IIRC, those are different for everyone.  It's not just size that matters...

What do you mean gone

I'm not going to argue with you. These are my opinions. I think you try to read too much into people's answers to questions. Again, I don't think Art or Jossy are trying to deceive anyone. I think it is human nature for someone that is held up as an "expert" to hedge a little bit when they are surprised about a question. I really don't think Art or Jossy were aware of the pond search. They probably SHOULD have said "I don't know." Maybe it is an ego thing.

 ::MonkeyDance::

(I snipped a bit)

This sounds like a compliment to Aruba, buried deep within this post.  jmho

You could even take the 'THEY THOUGHT' out of that, Rene.

It still works! Roll with it. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wreck ... I give Jossy and Art more credit.

IMO

Janet

I give "Kyle" = credit to Art and Jossy. I just don't know Caps well enough to form an opinion on him. I have nothing bad at all to say about any of the four.  I don't have to take 100% of their statements to be 100% accurate. We all "perceive" things a little differently. 

The fact that she started with her research and "movie' ,means for me that "they" gave her money

I hope she had to take out a loan, with very high interest,

and she's in hock up to her doo-wah ditties!!!! ::MonkeyRoll::

Reminds me of that financial commercial, paraphrased:

Hi, my name is Renee Gielen, and I'm in hock up to my eyeballs!!! ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Then somebody threw money up a wild hog's ass.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

If she were such a crack documentary producer, as she makes herself out to be, she would have no trouble raising money for her project. Something tells me that there must be some smart enough on the island and in Holland to recognize a loser when they see one. ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

From the Webster's Papiamento Dictionary:

Aruba (pron. Ah-roo-buh)- Arawak for the English word meaning anus. A small island in the Caribbean known for its corrupt government.