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New cage?  Thanks!

Sorry 2NJ - first I thought you were around, then I looked and you weren't there so I went ahead and locked the thread on page 50.  After I locked I saw you were back, LOLOL   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Next time  ::MonkeyWink::

Now it's bath time for me, brb in a bit

 ::MonkeyTongue::  Somebody opened this for me....made me look slow..  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am slower than you...lmao. I still don't get it.  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Way to go!  You even beat the dueling mods!   ::MonkeyDance::

thanks, klaas for including the video with every new thread.  i love it. 
dennisintn

Yes, I agree, Dennis.

I love it too!  Thanks Klaas! ::MonkeyCool::

Posted today at RU - good reminder of where we are at with the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT

LOS ANGELES - Two brothers who filed an $800 million defamation suit against Dr. Phil McGraw and CBS over a broadcast concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are already too tarnished to claim libel, according to attorneys for the defendants.

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was vacationing with friends on the Caribbean island resort of Aruba when the 18-year-old vanished the night of May 30, 2005. Her body was never found.

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

After the Kalpoes were arrested for the first time in June 2005, they were in custody for 25 days and became the subject of international media publicity, the defense court papers state.

Joran van der Sloot, who, like the Kalpoes, was arrested and later released, told police in June 2005 that "he thought (Deepak) had raped the girl and thereupon murdered her," the defense court papers state.

The Kalpoes also adversely affected their own reputations prior to the broadcast by falsely saying they last saw Holloway with two security guards, who were questioned and later released, defense attorneys say.

Deepak Kalpoe later confided to one of the guards that he had lied to the police and apologized for getting him and his fellow guard into "that mess," according to the defense's court papers.

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

The defense attorneys have a motion pending Aug. 5 to dismiss the case on grounds the plaintiffs' lawyers disobeyed court orders to turn over information.

I am not an "Empath" like Destiny. I really don't know what has gripped me for 3+ years. I have STRONG feelings about this case that I can't explain in "Earthly" terms. I just feel that the family of Natalee is at more peace than we are now. 

I think you can include Natalee in those peaceful sentiments, Wreck. It's my own personal faith and I don't wish to impose it on anyone else, but Christian scripture teaches that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Natalee is home. We are the ones who are away from home for a time.

The compelling thing about this case, for me, is the injustice that surrounds those who have committed this crime and the pain that it has brought to those who Natalee left behind. Beth's courage, strength, and determination has been gut wrenching and inspirational. Dave's disappointments, patience, and valiant efforts tug at my heart. The venom of the attack on Natalee's character continues to make me rage and the contrast between who Natalee was and who those bastards are that killed her, is so stark it's blinding. The madness of knowing enough sure evidence, as all of us who have been here and followed the case do, while no one is held accountable, makes it so hard to let it go. The whole thing screams at our sense of right and wrong, beautiful and ugly, tragedy and mockery.

So we stay and we stand. We stand with the girl, because as long as we are here, the final chapter isn't written. We refuse to let it end like this and as long as we are here we collectively hold back the current circumstances as an epitaph. This forum is made up of good hearted, caring people. It's right that we are keepers of this noble and right cause. I think we feel the sense of responsibility. We can hold on without being destroyed by it. I'm not sure it was meant for the family to never emotionally seek closure. Maybe in order to live with and honor Natalee's memory, they have had to find some place within themselves to not be eaten away by it.

I will never, ever, forget the night that Joran's "confession" was being heard, transcribed and posted on this forum. It came in pieces and it was in the light of Beth's video reacting to what was being unveiled to us in pieces. I was posting the translations, as were others, through tears. It was a corner, I believe, for the family. It was a corner even for a faithful monkey named Robots! I felt a sense of validation, and incredible sadness. Even though we all knew we weren't hearing the whole truth, we were witnessing Joran's acknowledgement of Natalee and her death. We saw Joran expose a glimpse of his true nature and we knew the world was watching it as well. The family so desperately needed exactly what Joran was handing them. The family will never give up on Justice and will always pursue it passionately, but we were watching the seed of healing being planted by the only one who possessed it.

Most of us need a different seed for closure. I believe we will witness it one day, and we and the family will end up at the same place when it's harvest time.

Great post, CBB!  ::MonkeyDance::

This case is definately good vs. evil on a daily basis for all to see.  A wonderful, beautiful girl like Natalee, denied justice as we sit and watch the evil living and smirking as if it will forever rule.  Of course we know it won't, we have been promised.  It is just very hard to wait and watch as it all unfolds as it should.

Wonderful Post CBB!!!...right from the Heart!

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/jhjhhhjjhjh.png)

Please pardon the O/T

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=jal

Please go here and light some candles and say some prayers for Jaliek Rainwalker.  His story is here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2348.0

There has not been a lot of movement in the case lately and he seems to have fallen off the radar.  I just went to his candle site and he had no candles lit for him.  If you find it in your heart to do so, please light a candle for Jaliek and say some prayers for him. 

He lived a hard life and has been missing a long time.  He appears to have been used by the family who took him in as a means for extra money.  The conditions he lived in were deplorable.  That there was no agency following this child is incomprehensible.  He was a little boy that fell through the tracks.  While you are thinking about it, please do something to help close those cracks.

I know monkeys care and have giant sized hearts and pray hard, please think about Jaliek as you are talking to God.  Thank you.

Here it is again:
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=jal

Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

CBB, good job!!! And Carpe, love the pictures.  You seem like the nicest guy, and you are so darn funny.  Want to run away with me???  If the answers yes,  Ill be waiting on the corner with my "going to Grandmas bag , at 71st and Sheridan.

Always 1 and one guest are viewing.  So, I wonder who you are, Guest.  Why are you awake at 5:25 in the a.m. and what is your attachment to Natalee??  I will look in the Site thingee and see if I can tell where youre from. 

wonder where Rob and Janet are......

Dunno, but we do have a visitor from Bangkok, Krung Thep Thailand 
Some pervert searching for: "old thai sex"   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Domain Name   cat.net.th ? (Thailand)
IP Address   61.19.65.# (CAT Telecom public company Ltd)
ISP   CAT Telecom public company Ltd
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th
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Ooh, thats gross! ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well, Im going to turn the air conditioning down to 70 ( I like my room cold enough to hang meat in it) and go back to sleep til the paper gets here.  Nite!

LOL...caught me, but I was doing laundry....need to be up before the birds to catch me always...

Talking about the sitemeter...clicked on Aruba...and look what I found!!!

Domain Name       asianet.co.th ? (Thailand)
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Any idea how a Thailand internet addy would show up from Aruba?  Only have South America on, so it is not an error.

I wonder who it might be?

It's fun watching them watching us.... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks for that, CBB.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Beth.jpg)

If you click on location, that shows up under detail 84 from Bangkok Thailand. Maybe a momentary glitch?

New Diario cartoon editorial -

(http://news.diario-aruba.com//images/stories/2008N/juli/16/car.jpg)

Not sure what this means.

Good morning Monkeys
I stole this from the last thread(is there a easier way to bring a post over from the last thread?)

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Quote from: San on July 15, 2008, 11:00:47 PM
Quote from: LilPuma on July 15, 2008, 10:52:07 PM
Quote from: San on July 15, 2008, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: klaasend on July 15, 2008, 09:51:19 PM
Quote from: Blonde on July 15, 2008, 09:45:32 PM
I don't know where she is but JMO she's in that bag. I just know it. 


I've always felt that Natalee could have been put in crypt, either someone that had already died or someone that died in the first week of June 2005.  It would require alot of approvals to even search a crypt let alone guessing which one to search.  Would be the perfect place to hide a body.


I agree.


It occurred to me more than once that maybe even Joran doesn't know where Natalee's remains are.  Could be someone told him they'd take care of it so there'd be no body and no case.  Go home, go to school.  Don't worry about this. 


I think they have her body and this is part of the reason that Paulus hasn't moved from that island.  He may think he has Aruba by the you know what but it is Aruba that has Paulus by the you know what.

KYKat:
Can't move.  VDS compound needs to be taken apart.  Evidence is still there. IMO

I think they are not quite stupid enough to keep her body right there on the van der sloot compound.I think the cemetary would be a perfect place to hide a body,IF her body is found in the cemetary,the van der sloots can STILL claim innocence.....something they wouldn't be able to do if she is found in thier garden IMO.

Hiya Monkeys. Seems the pic is saying the sword of the law(ALE, judges etc) is crooked/broken/bent/twisted & the scales of justice are very uneven/unfair.

Monkeys - Does this look like the same person?

Not to me SS

Doesn't look like the same person to me SS
As far as Natalee being put in a crypt. Very possible on that crooked rock.
I think the VDS family would be outcasts wherever they would go. Why not stay in Aruba where Paulypuss at least has "things" on people?

Not to me either, SS

Yapperz, I agree with the entombing. Even a cadaver dog wouldn't work in that situation to locate her. If she was placed in a casket, we know there is a funeral director involved. As I mentioned before, you could even put 2 remains in a casket. If no casket were used and she was just placed there by someone, her remains would be readily visible.  Anyone know what the laws are in Aruba about opening crypts for searches?

Oh wow CBB, that was BEAUTIFUL!!! You summed up my heart perfectly!!!


Now will you change me into my Ohio State Buckeye gear?! lol
PLEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEE!!!

Passing your post on to you know who...just too wonderful not to share!!!

too funny!!! I always check the sitemeter and save some of them sometimes. Interesting to see what brings people to SM...especially the ones from Aruba. I think it is very telling what info they are reading up on!!

There are quite a few people from Thailand who look up pervert stuff!!!

CrazyBabyBorg.  About that post on page 1. 

 :smt058 :smt058 :smt058

I too believe Natalee was at peace long before we knew she was missing, before that first call to Beth.  God took her by the hand and brought her home.  But there was work to be done.  Because we've gotten glimpses of the dark side of Aruba, not in the back alleys, but in the bright sunlight of the beaches, the casinos and the government.  It's like Jessica's Law.  Long after Jessica was happily sitting and playing in the presence of her heavenly Father, there was work to be done.  God tells us that "Vengeance is mine", but I don't believe he wants us to just sit back and watch the evil and the hate and the lack of respect for God's laws that we've seen.  At the very least, we've exposed the darkness, put a bright light on it.  And those who live in that darkness have had to face what they have become.  I frequently have to remind myself of a quote attributed to Mother Theresa:  "It was never about you and them anyway, it's about you and God." 

Beautiful sentiment Lil Puma.

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I think you can include Natalee in those peaceful sentiments, Wreck. It's my own personal faith and I don't wish to impose it on anyone else, but Christian scripture teaches that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Natalee is home. We are the ones who are away from home for a time.

The compelling thing about this case, for me, is the injustice that surrounds those who have committed this crime and the pain that it has brought to those who Natalee left behind. Beth's courage, strength, and determination has been gut wrenching and inspirational. Dave's disappointments, patience, and valiant efforts tug at my heart. The venom of the attack on Natalee's character continues to make me rage and the contrast between who Natalee was and who those bastards are that killed her, is so stark it's blinding. The madness of knowing enough sure evidence, as all of us who have been here and followed the case do, while no one is held accountable, makes it so hard to let it go. The whole thing screams at our sense of right and wrong, beautiful and ugly, tragedy and mockery.

So we stay and we stand. We stand with the girl, because as long as we are here, the final chapter isn't written. We refuse to let it end like this and as long as we are here we collectively hold back the current circumstances as an epitaph. This forum is made up of good hearted, caring people. It's right that we are keepers of this noble and right cause. I think we feel the sense of responsibility. We can hold on without being destroyed by it. I'm not sure it was meant for the family to never emotionally seek closure. Maybe in order to live with and honor Natalee's memory, they have had to find some place within themselves to not be eaten away by it.

I will never, ever, forget the night that Joran's "confession" was being heard, transcribed and posted on this forum. It came in pieces and it was in the light of Beth's video reacting to what was being unveiled to us in pieces. I was posting the translations, as were others, through tears. It was a corner, I believe, for the family. It was a corner even for a faithful monkey named Robots! I felt a sense of validation, and incredible sadness. Even though we all knew we weren't hearing the whole truth, we were witnessing Joran's acknowledgement of Natalee and her death. We saw Joran expose a glimpse of his true nature and we knew the world was watching it as well. The family so desperately needed exactly what Joran was handing them. The family will never give up on Justice and will always pursue it passionately, but we were watching the seed of healing being planted by the only one who possessed it.

Most of us need a different seed for closure. I believe we will witness it one day, and we and the family will end up at the same place when it's harvest time.
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cbb, this is great, and i totally agree with you.  word for word.
dennisintn

On a dutch blog   also the blog were "gielen " is  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

It might be that Joran the victim of a U.S. cover-up

Posted  by mr drs BOU.

Since the last broadcast of PR de Vries about the Holloway case is Joran van der Sloot vogelvrij fully explained. Doodsbedreigingen against him are on the Internet, the population of the Netherlands and environs has Joran guilty to the disappearance of the sweet, innocent, blond Natalee Holloway and Joran his life is no longer certain.

Why is not detained Joran? Why do not they close? Because his father is right, surely? Corruption in the judiciary! Vriendjespolitiek!

The truth is sometimes more complicated than we think. It might be that Joran the victim of a U.S. cover-up, while the true culprits should be sought in the immediate vicinity of Natalee: Beth mother and her (now ex-) husband Jug Twitty. This stepfather of Natalee has relationships in the highest echelons of the government in Washington.

Beth and Jug Twitty, Natalee after the disappearance of two American privedetectives taken in the arm: Dan Young and Kelly Castillo. How reliable are these people, I do not know, but they tell a very different story about the disappearance of Natalee. On January 16, 2008, just before the broadcast of PR de Vries in which the criminal Patrick van der Eem his "boyfriend" Joran a beautiful story in the mouth explained, were Dan and Kelly to score on a talk show on Tele-Aruba. Not only do they say that Natalee two weeks after her disappearance was still alive, but they also have evidence of the lies that Beth says.

After Joran for the second time was arrested and released, they have that evidence presented to the Aruban police. The story of Dan and Kelly show that Joran is innocent, that Natalee wanted to run away from home because they Jug by her stepfather and that she was raped two weeks after her disappearance died of an overdose. If Dan and Kelly speak the truth, then Joran the victim of a smear campaign!

http://www.nwo-info.nl/2008/02/19/waarom-joran-niet-wordt-aangehouden/?cp=5

How can these people live with themselves, spreading such vicious stories like that?  Unbelievable

O/T...but something that might resonate with some of you....Sorry Klaas, please remove if innappropriate.  Klaas...I like your idea of a *FEELINGS* thread...

Destiny  ::MonkeyWink::


Read this and found aspects of it helpful.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Psychism--7-Signs-Youre-an-Empath



"Before I continue, let me just say Empath is not simply another name for a Clairsentient, though many Clairsentients are indeed Empaths. I’ll get into this more later. (Update: Click here to read my tips for Empaths.) That said, if you feel you’re a clairsentient looking for similar information on whether or not you are one, most of these signs will apply to you as well – but be aware those born into clairsentience (as opposed to those born as Empaths, who later harness it and become clairsentient) often can discern what others are feeling but do not actually SUFFER – which is a good way of telling which you are.

So let’s begin:

When in public, do you constantly feel overwhelmed with inexplicable emotions for which you can’t determine the reason?
Example. You drop by the mall one Saturday morning. You feel great. You get into the mall, walk past a crowd of people, and start feeling a bit strangely. It can be anything – you can feel very down, very angry, very sad, very excitable – the key word here is VERY. And you won’t have any explanation for it, you just feel it.

In other words, you’ve suddenly gone Bi-Polar without actually having the biological deficiency that causes it. And what’s worse, you can’t turn it off. You can carry on, trying to ignore it, but eventually it will be overwhelming to the point you just want to go home and be alone.
This is the reality of an Empath – one who hasn’t yet learned how to block other people’s emotions out. Being around other people is such a harrowing experience, most of them prefer to keep their own company, living the life of a hermit. And they usually find it very much worth it.

Do you experience other people's physical ailments?

This is most common with those you have an emotional connection, but can occur with anyone. A very good example of this would be suddenly feeling very lethargic and fatiqued, for no reason, and having to remain in bed for a day or two. You’re not sick – not really. You’re not ill. Yet, you feel that you are, profoundly. You later find out that your “illness” coincided with a lover’s or family member’s sudden fatigue (resulting from legitimate illness)– even though they were in another country at the time and you had no idea until after the fact. Symptoms can also manifest in the form of chest pains, cramps, migraines, etc – you basically experience it all, without contracting the actual illness.

Do you feel overwhelmed when watching something horrible in real life or even on television?

This one sounds silly, but viewing the news or depressing commercials designed to induce sympathy and open wallets, can debilitate an Empath for several hours. While most people get upset over homeless dogs and cats, an Empath will often feel like their hearts have been lanced. That’s a literal definition, by the way. It’s not something as shallow as sympathy or even regular empathy. It’s a feeling of guilt and moral empathy that cannot be easily assuaged. Crying is very common – and not just during that time of month when all the emotions are out of whack!

Do you ALWAYS know what someone really means?

In other words, can you always, always, always tell what it is someone meant to say to you? More importantly, can you tell why they didn’t? If an Empath is in person with someone and they’ve just been lied to, they will know. And they will know why. They will know if the other person is trying to spare feelings, they will know if malice was involved – in other words, they will know the intent. You cannot lie in the face of an Empath and not be caught out. While they will not usually be able to tell the specifics of what you’re hiding, they will know if you mean them well or not – no exceptions. This is more than good intuition. This isn’t a hunch, this is knowing.

Do you feel compelled to care for anyone in pain, no matter who they are and what they’ve done to you?

A true Empath cannot walk past someone suffering and not feel a need to stop and help that person. Homeless people can be particularly difficult, as they are everywhere and little can be done to help them unless the Empath has an occupation related to this. A true Empath feels compelled to go to anyone they feel pain from, be it angst or something physical. And a true Empath's compassion will usually be accepted on the spot – people in pain, no matter how they would normally react to strangers, will receive an Empath with open arms. They know, instinctively, that their pain matters to them.

Do people open up to you – even if you don’t want them to?

Some Empaths are the new-agey peace loving types – but many just want to be alone, because they have difficulty processing everything they absorb from other people. (This is usually because they have yet to realize their abilities and haven’t learned to deal with it yet.) For an Empath, however, putting on a grumpy face doesn't keep people they barely know drawing near and seeking compassion and empathy from them. The ill, the suffering, the weak – they are all drawn to the unconditional understanding and compassion an Empath emits. And Empaths emit it whether they want to or not.

That’s not to say Empaths can’t be mean and nasty people. They surely can be. But it’s usually those Empaths with the most profound sensitivity who have simply broken down inside and have no other way of keeping other’s emotions at bay. Again, these are Empaths who don’t know of their abilities.


Can you heal?

Most Empaths have the ability to heal. Yes, that means physically. This isn’t about Reiki or any other alternative modality – though they may seem similar in concept. An Empath heals instinctively, usually by drawing the pain or ailment out and accepting it into their own bodies. For obvious reasons, this is not recommended for anyone who doesn’t know how to keep from becoming ill in the process.

In today’s day and age, everyone seems to want to be psychic to some degree. That’s probably due our evolution as human beings. Assuming we’re evolving, and not regressing.. Therefore, many people reading this will likely think themselves Empathic. I cannot stress the following enough – there is nothing fun about being an Empath. It’s often a very draining and miserable existence in which you feel like you have to be entirely alone in order to survive. It is not glamorous, it is not exciting, it is painful more often than not.

My point here is this is not something one aspires to. If you’re an Empath, you will know this is you, you will not be saying “hmm.. maybe… hmm…” If you feel (without hesitation!) these apply to you as I’ve just described, then also know there are ways of coping, and I’ll get into them in future articles. With a little self-awareness you can turn your curse into gift, especially when it comes to being able to ease the emotional and physical pain of others.

Thank you, Always. Sure thing! I warn you: I am a little directionally impaired though,
so be on the lookout for me... I will be at 59th & Washington for roughly an hour and
half looking like the guy who just lost something. ::MonkeyWink::

Well....since you 2 are hooking up...do you Folks need a live-in gourmet chef...and interior decorator....I do windows too!

I'll be waiting on the corner of...Walk..and..Don't Walk...'till you pick me up...I'll be wearing a Chef's Hat and French Maid outfit.......

Des... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Giggle, Ok, Ill be looking for you both.  French Maid costume.  woo woo!

Joran is the victim of a pap smear?

LMAO!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Karma:  to clarify - I did not say body - I said evidence - and yes IMO there is evidence there that will never be found because Aruba and the Dutch will never let it come out.  This is my opinion and my opinion only.  Didn't mean to offend you.   /color]

I was thinking it makes Jug sound like "secret agent man".

Destiny, would you email me.  Klass, please give Destiny my email address.  I would like to discuss with you.  Thanks

Sure KYcat....Look forward to your email...Destiny

Okay, Klass is not here right now so I will ask again later.  In the meantime, I have some thoughts I would like to share.  I have not posted much because frankly I don't feel comfortable doing so.  My reason for reading and posting at this site is strictly for Natalee.  I do not have a hidden agenda and I am not a troll.  I want justice for Natalee and I want her brought home.  It's that simple.  I know I don't bring a lot of knowledge about the case to the board but I enjoy the discussions and the information that I learn from everyone.  It is about having something in common with someone.  That "someone" being the Monkeys because I have the same desires, agenda, goals, or whatever you want to label it.  I "felt" something 3 years ago when I learned of Natalee's fate.  Something happened to me and I can't explain it but I feel such a connection.  I know that is how the Monkeys feel so that is why I feel such a connection to this site.

I am rambling, so I will get to my final point.  When I have posted here, there are some who make you feel welcome and some who don't.  Nothing obvious, just that feeling.  Some people are welcomed with open arms and others are kept at a distance or not acknowledged.  I don't know if this is because some are leary of trolls which I totally understand.  Whatever the reasons, I have felt this way since I joined and I guess I finally just had to say something. 

So i guess there is really no point to this post.  Just had to get some things off my chest.

Thanks for listening.  I will continue to just read.

(((((((((((((KYcat)))))))))))))))

Sending you Positive Energy....what you just posted took a Great amount of Strength!

Please keep posting...it's *real* posts like yours...that is the *glue* that keeps us all together for Natalee.

Realize how brave you are in sharing a very real part of yourSELF!

I really....really look forward to more of your posts...anyone online now that can send my email addy to KY?...if so...please do so...TIA

Destiny

Hang in there (from one Kentuckian to another).  Look at the number of posts I do.  I just keep on keeping on because I have the same desire as everyone else here--BRING Natalee home and see the perps brought to justice AND the Ale, Ahata etc held accountable for what they have done to this family.  I sometimes have the same feelings but what the hay-I read, I post and ignore the petty part of blogging.  I have gone to a couple different blogs and believe me this one is for me.  So hang in there and post.  It makes a difference for Natalee and here family.

Thank You Blonde!!!...

Destiny

I am embarrassed to admit, I used to expend actual energy
(wasted) getting mad at that dumb Rene Gielen.

NOT ANYMORE.

Someone needs to confront that bi*** and tell her what a ludicrous,
bizarre, wacko, nut-job she is.


That person will not be me. I have actual stuff to do!


She is a floating unsavory unmentionable > in a punch bowl.

THAT IS YOU, RENE. Stick with being a VET you hooker, because Steven

Spielberg you AIN'T.

Do you want me to try to move these threads to  the feelings thread

San I don't know how to move this page to feelings HELPPPPPPPP ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyConfused::

Natalee is everybody's girl.

She strikes a chord in all of us.

Nat could be your cousin, niece, sister, daughter,

grandaughter, or your sweetheart.

The worst part about losing her is the being lied to about it!

It leaves your mind wondering about
all of the different possible scenarios
of what could have happened to her that night.

In doing that, the suspects dug their own graves. They deserve
what they are getting, a lot worse actually.

If you ever want to write a book about how lies
can destroy lives, look no further than every
move Aruba has made in this catastrophic event
they have THE NERVE to call a "CASE."

The people who made it a CASE, do not live in Aruba.

ALE was apparently trying to investigate
a Joran Van der sloot bicycle theft,
not a Natalee Holloway rape/murder case.

They are a joke. They continue on being a joke.

One day, when the movie is made about it,

Aruba will be watching it with MAXIMUM EMBARRASSMENT.

I hope the whole island gets burned right into the ground over it.

I could care less. Yes, I am proud to say that I'm happy it will happen

over JUST ONE GIRL! 'Cuz that one girl that I am talking about,

is Natalee Holloway.

Natalee is everybody's girl.


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I'll move the posts  ::MonkeyWink::

Actually, i won't move the posts will leave them here and new posts can be made in the Feelings thread.

FYI - I have the cable guy coming out shortly to move my connection so I will be without internet for a while this evening.  

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Just wanted to let you know that I saw your post and also saw that Klaas said she will leave the posts.

I only split a thread once and it is scary.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::   But if I can do it you most certainly can. 

just before the broadcast of PR de Vries in which the criminal Patrick van der Eem his "boyfriend" Joran a beautiful story in the mouth explained


Elmo got a feeling about that...

> Taking it over to the "FEELINGS THREAD"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Your Choice Blonde...Thank You Very Much for creating the Feelings thread...and Thank You Klaas for suggesting it....

Destiny

Do You ever wonder why it was Natalee and not one of the other 200 some odd kids?  I do.  Of course some say they really wanted Ruth but they picked Nat.  I wonder if when she got into the cab, she had second thoughts? 

I'll meet Ya there....Des

KYcat, speak more often.  sometimes i, among others, don't answer because we're reading too far behind and are trying to catch up.  a lot of times i just nod my head and keep reading.  anyway, speak up and say your piece.  don't make us come over there.  we'll stay a long time and eat you out of house and home while we find out what all you're thinking.
dennisintn

KYcat,

 I so agree with Dennis. I like you do not post often because I do not always think i have anything to offer.Most of us here are here for Natalee and her family but yes we do occasionally get trolls. They usually do not stay very long. But some do.

When you have something to say please say it. It is sad if you might come up with something none of us have thought of.

I agree.

Me too, hope you have plenty of room and lots of fluffy pillows.  I will bunk with always1 as I like it on the cool side also.  I
guess that means Carpe will be bunking there too, unless he is stuck on a corner somewhere still looking for your house.   Destiny will also be there in her french maid outfit.

I have found out by repeating my post there are several reasons people don't answer:

1.  They don't know the answer to your question. 
2.  Like Dennis said, they are far behind.
3.  They agree with you, so they feel 'nuff said.  San where is that beating a dead horse icon?
4.  They need some time to think about it (even days).
5.  Carpe just posted something and they are busy wiping coffee, iced tea, water, or soda off their laptops.
6.  They ran out of the room for any number of things and aren't really there even though they are signed on.
7.  They are playing games on the computer, talking on the phone, etc. and are not really there even though they are signed in.
8.  They are eating breakfast, lunch, or dinner with their families.
9.  They are bathing.
10. They are signed in here but are really at RU for what reason, I don't know.
11. They are getting a divorce and will be back any second.
12. They have fallen asleep at the computer and will wake up with letters all over their faces.  :smt015
13. They are lost in thought about something, or on a roll about something and do not know life is going on around them.  This
      happened to Red just this week.  Look back and you will see.  It happens to Klaas, too.
14. Please, don't take it personally.  I have been known to answer my own posts, try that.
15. Men cannot physically multitask (it's a brain thing) so if they are on and are working on some project, they are there and only
     there.  No offense guys, it's a fact of life, so tell your wives and girlfriends to lay off. 
16. A family member is sick or they could be very concerned about someone in the missing thread, or devestated that they have
     been found dead (not the poster, the victim). :roll:
17. They answered your question but did not quote your post in the answer.  I have seen this happen to you.
18. There are many, many other reasons.

Please don't take it personally.  It isn't personal.  We are all in this thread for Natalee and we are doing the best we can.  If you have something to say, it may be what we needed to hear at that moment so we are thinking and not posting.

Please post.  Natalee is depending on your being present and making a contribution to the cage, whatever that is to you.  I will look for your posts, come to the cage about 3 am, I am usually alone or snuggled up to my laptop sound asleep.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  Yep

HELLO to everyone that doesn't post because they feel they don't have anything to contribute!  :smt039

I've been here a long time and have always posted with absolutely nothing to contribute!   :smt102

Don't let that stop you: if you care about this case, that makes you a welcomed poster!  :wink:

We've all been seemingly ignored, but try being patient, at first, and if that doesn't work, be persistant~!

When there is no news, people don't know what to say.

When there is news, things get so busy posts are sometimes overlooked.

Nobody is intentionally ignored.  Often if you don't get a response to your post it's because nobody knows the answer or what to say. 

     :shock: :shock: :shock:  Liar, liar, dress on fire!!!

Alright, Miss Hula Bear.............I love your grass skirt!

Someone would have to mow a cow pasture to make me one!  ::MonkeyWaa::


Do we know where, in Thailand, Joran is? Everytime I think about that, I remember the song, "One night in Bangkok"

Bangkok, Oriental setting
And the city don't know that the city is getting..............

One night in Bangkok and the world's your oyster
The bars are temples but the pearls ain't free
You'll find a god in every golden cloister
And if you're lucky then the god's a she
I can the devil sliding up to me

Thank you!

Need lots of grass?  Call Joran, he'll hook you up.

   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Nite Monkey Buddies...Sleep with the Angels...I will...

Destiny...it's been a very good day!

Nite...Destiny! 
 ::MonkeyCool::

Danger Will Robins....Danger....old sci-fi stuff....goimg back to sleepies land....

Destiny

crazybabyborg

The visa for Thailand is valid for a stay of maximum 60 days.
If if he is in Thailand i don't think so  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Johan, would the visa be extended if he were enrolled at a university?

If Robin reads here, that's one thing. She can do it anonymously. To register means she might to post. I find that hard to believe given the SM hate mongers over there. She just about broke her back welcoming Glenda to their site. I smell something odoriferous.

University ?Joran ? ::MonkeyHaHa::>>>>  ::MonkeyNoNo::  this (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/thstoned.gif?t=1216296832)

You're right Johan. I made myself snicker with that one. LOL!

Johan...Do you know anything about Arubans being obligated to join the Marines at 18?  TIA

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:53 pm

They accuse us of allowing underage drinking. We do not allow underage drinking. Our laws
are different, because we have a different society. If you are 18 in Aruba you are of age
and responsible for your own acts. You are allowed to vote and are obligated to join the
Dutch Marines. So our lawmakers feel that if you are allowed to decide you country's fate
and are asked to die for it, you should be able to order a beer and smoke a cigarette. To
put things in perspective. In the US you are allowed to drive at 16. In Aruba you have to
wait until you are 18. Nobody claims you are allowing underage driving.

I agree KYcat

It it may appear we are here and ignoring you, but there are times I am here but not here..lol

WELCOME ::MonkeyDance:: WELCOME  ::MonkeyDance::WELCOME!!!!

roflmao!!!!
Coffee on the screen now too!!!
Too Too Funny Barely!!

Can you imagine Joran defending the boarders?   

o/t...sorry


AAAHHHHHH!!! ::MonkeyConfused::
I am naked!!! ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Klaas or CBB...does anyone have my Ohio State Buckeyes outfit??!!

Isn't it a little too warm to put on all that scarlet and gray gear, Lisa?

WhiskeyGirl...This bit of info from Armin has always intrigued me! Tried checking in to it and couldn't find anything. Is it like the Reserves? Do they spend weekends or do they just Register?

not understanding any of the words, it looks like rudy is really happy with the broken state of justice on the happy island.  it allows him to play his money making ways without fear of prosecution or interference.
dennisintn

She is a floating unsavory unmentionable > in a punch bowl.

THAT IS YOU, RENE. Stick with being a VET you hooker, because Steven

Spielberg you AIN'T.
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wow, carpe, i didn't realize you were so well acquainted with gielen.  hope that close contact didn't damage you too much.  seems to me that it would.
dennisintn

Never Ever!!!! lol

Just a little over a month before the first game!!!
They are probably sweating their fannies off right now doing 3-a-days!!
Gotta get my gear on and cheer them on!!!


I LOVE FOOTBALL!!!! lol ::MonkeyDance::

Not too much information but it appears it is compulsory.

"Defense is the responsibility of the Netherlands; a naval contingent is stationed on the island, and military service is compulsory"..
http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Netherlands-American-Dependencies-ARUBA.html

bear, i agree with all this except #15.  i don't remember why cause my nose is itching and i'm really trying to remember what i'm supposed to do about that.  priorities, you know.
dennisintn

According to a conversation between Greta and Jossy in February 2008, Joran is in Holland attending school, or at least he was in February.  ::MonkeyConfused::

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/02/01/eavesdrop-on-my-phone-call-from-aruba/
click on blue icon to listen

Thanks Mrskub...I am hoping one of our Dutch posters can let us know exactly what this entails.

i will try to find it mum

Johan...Thanks!

CBB may have it but she can't change your clothes, I have to.  So if CBB posts it I can change it for you.

Klaas...O/T...*if* Robin H. does join...do we get a heads up?...or maybe an introduction from You...just wondering...your post from yesterday is stuck in my head...LOL....

Destiny

You such a Good Monkey Mommy  ::MonkeyWink::

Hands MrsKub set of nose plugs...and fresh can of Troll-away spray....I'll watch your back...if, you watch mine...K?

Destiny

Sorry, ran to the store and just got back.  IF RobinH joins her name will be RobinH.  They only way she will be allowed to join is if I know for sure it's her and Red says OK.  Otherwise I'm going to assume it's someone pretending to be her.

No question, Des.

Dityhand win again,

Hit and Run Hendrick Croes is free of all charges,

3 year, conditional freedom and 160 hr community work,

Now Frans Duetekom and Government Layer Ruiz at the presentation of the case, Ruiz states that this case is a Political plot from Radio 90, AVP party and some other group to defame Mr Hendrick.


THe judge has handed down the sentance today, Now I Have Dirty hand in the light of News Media and Radio Station Investigation.

Caps, several of us feel there is a tunnel going from the lighthouse to the restaurant.  Do you know of this??

Should be interresting to read Diario tomorrow

Hi Caps...Thanks for the info

Will leave a Freddy question in Shango for you...TIA

Peter r de Vries RESPONSE TO THE RESPONSES…
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trans>Google
The advertising storm which for ours Natalee-broadcast put up, rages after the retransmission simply by. We become still covered under interview requests and questions of the press. Yesterday evening our program in the United States has been transmitted by ABC and that is overseas see phone calls to the number of well. How it is exactly on the retransmission is reacted still what unclear, but other senders have, however, taken over the pictures. - yes-No - In the Netherlands I surprise myself sometimes a smattering concerning the responses. The proposition of Joran that he has invented everything, is sometimes cited as if it concerns a communication with the reliability of the realm information service, as a result of which it now a type undefinablely welles-nietes would be. I see that differently: to claim that it is a figment, is the only expedient which him still rest if he wants escape prison sentence. He can with difficulty say that he was then blood-serious. I wise in this respect that the consents of Joran are entirely in line with the serious suspicions which there were already against him and for which he is rather arrested has been. That had been among others based on - determined - the leugens which do Joran concerning its and leave that night had told. If he has lain then, which says then that he does not lie now also, read I left and Right. That seems an obvious question, but is it according to me. It has something like that of: once a liar always a liar, but correctly in this case goes that not. Joran have yes or no been at Natalee then they died, other possibilities are not there. Therefore as its first statements incredibly and untrue, become it are more probable that consent to a friend, taken off in good trusts, is, however, where is. Colleague Kees of of the bacon saw yesterday correct against me on that it more speaks that for itself you lie against the police force if you risk runs arrested or condemned - as Joran did perceptible - then that in één-op-één share you a situation with your bosom friend secret. -

CONSENTS WITH BODYLANGUAGE - Joran stated - still before our reportage had been transmitted - that he had only said what infiltrant Patrick of of the Eem wants `to hear ' and that he all what had suspicion. But how did Joran  knows what our infiltrant wants to hear??? Does he does want claim that Patrick him that has whispered firstly or this way? And isn't it this way that you do not say what in its situation then correct someone want hear, but then in particular your frankness emphasises? But no, consents, sealed with significant bodylanguage and with an handshake, detailed in place of it draws Joran from - on several days and times - in, in which says exactly those things he those questions of justice answers (if he was at Natalee then they died, what has happened with the body, how he has at home come, where shoes have remained, etc. etc.). Justice has meanwhile notified on a press conference that such a eighty percents of the statements correspond well to earlier research findings. -

SELECTIVELY SELECTED? - The lawyers of Joran now say that there has been selected possible selectively from the tapes. That is, however, funny. Its American Council man shouted firstly - for the retransmission - that there in fact nothing could be to consents and now proves to be that there more is then we in two hours could transmit, gets we the reproach that we selective have been. Of course, there has been cut because differently it an evening/nachtvullend programme will become, but that has correctly happened. The Public Prosecution Service has for quite some time eavesdropped on ALREADY our tapes in possession and. On that basis also the new suspicion - homicide - has been based against Joran. Justice would appear that of course do as from those tapes that there with the conversations of everything false was. - LOOSE ENDS - Of course can best this way be that there in the consent of Joran also what loose ends and inadequacies to sit. I have communicated directly myself in my retransmission that I take into account that he - bestwil - certain points things have weakened, distorted or kept back to protect itself or others. I in my life hundreds of assassinations have examined and disappearance matter. In a large number the dader has eventually taken off a complete consent and cooperated entirely with police force and judicial authorities. And then still there always as much as a number of points remains that does not correspond with the outcomes of the police force research. With that is the consent on battle worthless? Welnee. In the best marriages partners not always tell each other complete truth, therefore also in the friendship relation with Patrick Joran aims can have had to not entirely entirely inform him concerning for example the cause of death of Natalee, the way he came home or which him has helped. But that makes its exhaustive consent not less valuable or credible. In matter regularly contradictions or even falsehoods come to light in declarations. The judge frequently states then in its sentence that there " indeed talk is of inadequacies, but that the declaration in its general information credible and/or valid is". - NONE SHRINKS DURING INTERROGATES - The statement which Joran volslagen unstable and him have been elicitted at every moment all kinds of judgements can become, must I also contradict. If there someone stands strongly in its shoes the Joran are. He two times have been arrested and have during interrogate under heavy busy have been stood but none shrinks data. He could always its keep placidity and consequently to its right to remain silent to appeal. Absolutely no time let he during interrogate itself after its second arrest to seduce or from the tent lure but to say whereas something, there - behaviour experts devised - verhoorplan lay ready. That has not been stipulated the behaviour of an unbalanced intellectual lichtgewichtlichtgewicht lichtgewicht. Then still the theory that he Patrick of of the Eem has wanted impress with the tale which Natalee in its poor have died and her has got rid of vervolgens in the ocean. It has been broadly spread a roll monkey that this type horror-verhalen in the `onderwereld' also but would arouse only impression or ontzag. The opposite is the case. Belief me, nobody have been impressed - but correctly loathed! - if another one confesses that he innocent, has let disappear to youngster perhaps living in the sea and many years' has lain to its desperate mother. In prisons and desire assassins forced for which they sit there, conceal children, women, because differently they are subiet molested. No, it makes in the `onderwereld' correctly more impression if someone has sat WRONGFULLY and justice is forced that to recognise. Justice is not placed then in the verdachtenbank and has there one in the environment arranges in, in the inverse. - SMOKE DOPE IN THE CAR - Finally still even this: it is referred to that Joran in the car have geblowd. That is true. That has not happened because we or our infiltrant wanted that this way gladly or aimed at, but simply because Joran that itself do each day. He writes about that in its book and he for the second time was also then arrested, full he " communicated pride that he; this way stoned" then he was at home was picked up by the police force. There has happened in the car nothing that in normal living Joran also does not happen.
GODFATHER R. FREEZES


stange when i use the translator >input PETER R. DE VRIES the translation is GODFATHER R. FREEZES  ::MonkeyHaHa::  who did that ????

Things can always change....but I would just like to say that the few weeks that I belonged to BNH before quitting, Robin wrote at that time that she didn't read here. So maybe that wasn't the whole truth, maybe the Robin trying to join isn't the truth (as you already suspect...just thought I would mention it. I would like to also say that at that time she didn't say anyting negative about Scared Monkeys just she didn't read here. I can also say that she didn't post much there(BNH) maybe 2 posts per day sometimes none-not sure how much computer time she actually has? Other mods seem to police the board at BNH.

thanks, johan, i hadn't seen this one before.
dennisintn

I wonder if there's a private area there where some of them (admin) chat??

Klaas:

Can you please delete post 149?

.

Thanks in advance!

.

OK Patti - done, deleted #149

Yes I heard there was Pita after I left, never went there. Actually they had a forum chat...where I did go, but no one was ever there. Infact the whole place was slow. Seemed the main activity was having someone knew  join so they might "pick their brain" about the whole topic of Natalee's disappearance, and secondly determine that "new" persons opinion about the Aruba boycott.

No there is not a tunnel. it solid coral area and the only digging that Dijkhoff costruction did with the DOW is to digg a channel for the cables to go to the light source.

since the calbe was always on a pipe above ground.

Klassend:

The Latest on the Sneaker that was put in storage for later use....it also desapear.

Fiscal Lugo has notify Paules of the incident. This is from an relaible inside source....

Now DH will be investigated via the news group Since Canal90 was mention in court to be part of the hendrick part, and now they are going to see wo said what and where that info originated,

It wll be an interesting 2 week...more later....

More info will be around 10:00

Now isn't that a suprise! The sneaker also disappeared? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if that lends any credibility to it being real?

carps
I have heard that there old sewerage pipes and they going far into  the sea  with a large  dia meter
they  are no longer used but still there
Do you know anyting about the pipes ?

Caps...left this in Shango earlier for you!  TIA

Can you please check database for Zedans and Arambatzis - they seem to multiplying like little bunnies...  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Is it correct that only those over 18 are listed in the database or are minors included as well?

One more...Montanja 62...Who and how many at this address, please....

Sorry...more than one question!  Thanks In Advance... 
 

I knew it!!!....those friccin Bastards....the *only* reason that sneaker went bye-bye...is cause it WAS the missing sneaker.....shit!!!!!

The absurdity of this whole case just boggles my mind. No one could even imagine this level of corruption and incompetence to write a book. It's beyond reason. It's beyond imagination.

yes those pipes exist and end not to far from arashi

Here you go! Sorrry to have just found the request!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/IFB.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/IFB.gif

I just called Aruba on this....they are sending a reported to *ask questions* about that sneaked-off sneaker.....Caps....TY for the info...You be one Cool Dude ;-)

Destiny

Also...found out today....one source was told that Doodookom has no involvement in the NH case...and to *leave him alone*....but someone is going to do some digging for us...will keep Ya posted...

Destinly

This just in from Aruba....any info to send back Caps?...or, anyone else....TIA...Destiny

xxxxxx;

I don't understand what the DH gone do. And what Canal 90 has said. About what. Let me know and I gone check it because one of our reporters is working with Canal 90 too.

 

If you have more information let me know

xxxxxxxxxx

After you posted this I got this in my email from Anonymous friend hmmm
So it may be Robin or Loiss ( do you see a Bulge in that picture) lol
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Loiss.jpg)

Nah I don't see nuthin'

Aha that is good news caps can you give a location were they are ?
Or when you live there a pic ?
It is the old sewerage system and i asked Aruba to send me digital  info about the pipes but  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

i know there is a new a new sewer purification installation on the East side of the island (San Nicolas) and extension of the existing sewer purification installation Bubali.

But there a also a lot houses with a septic-tanks under the house. A good place to hide a body

Someone needs to get a message through to Mr. Frans Howdy Doo Doo Kom

that I am fixing to make him an international media star all over You Tube!!!!


> Elmo got it in the "pike" ::MonkeyTongue::



Give us back Natalee, that was all anybody ever wanted.

Caps - how far is "not far" from Arashi?  I'm wondering if the pipes are the "tunels" that people are looking for?

Klaas, did you mean CAPS?   Didn't want to go editing your post.... ::MonkeyWink::

Yes so I fixed it, LOL  

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Yes and i have heard that there are  a kind of shutters (inspecion shutters?)  in the pipes

Johan, wouldnt the septic tanks be in front of the houses?  How could they clean them out or drain them if they were under the house?

Blonde I know the feeling, as I mentioned that seems to be the purpose for their existence. Infact maybe a month or 2 ago I joined, felt grilled and interrogated by some(have to admit there were several posters who were welcoming and could actually have a discussion) and then they posted a "3 post quota per day rule" . I was PO'd so I quit. Robin made a post disagreeing with this "quota" but then deleted it, later to return with a posted explanation for the deletion. The reason I know this is, 3 days after quitting ,I re-joinedI refused to let them get the better of me. Two weeks later I quit, as I mentioned in a previous post. Things were so slow there one could fall asleep. Reality BTW seems to know very little about the case these days IMO, and has obviously not kept up with anything new. He can only ask questions about events.......so whatever his feelings are now appear to be based on the past. Some have evolved and others have fossilized. Reality = fossil.

           (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Animation1-3.gif?t=1216329804)

There are a lot of these kind of sewerage pipes  in Aruba
the bigger pipes in the sea have a average (dia meter) of 80 centimeters

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/krampenXXXXXXXXXX.jpg?t=1216330391)

Pipe pictures were posted a couple months ago.  Here is the inside of one of the pipes:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Insidepipeshowingsplitlightned.jpg)

Disgusting!!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

O/T here but whenever i see this guy, I just have to give a shout out

(http://mangodesignstudio.com/gallery/albums/13-07-2008-MOOMBABEACH/normal_14MOOMBA_14.JPG)
(http://mangodesignstudio.com/gallery/albums/13-07-2008-MOOMBABEACH/normal_24MOOMBA_24.JPG)

He always looks so drugged out  ::MonkeyCool::

Dang I swear i saw this pic before , he must wear the same shirt just like his big Bro' becasue this is 7/12 Senior Frogs....

(http://mangodesignstudio.com/gallery/albums/12-07-2008-FROGS/normal_229FROGSS_004.JPG)

Caps this is the Arashi area
witch reef is that ?

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Arashikopie.jpg?t=1216333631)

is that Savaneta reef ? near Arashi ?

We have seen him in-the-bag in every photo, but this last couple really show how the drinking is altering his appearance. Come on Steve.....tell us what you know, you'll feel sooooo much better.

Steve G. Croes is the son off who?

1. Hendrick Croes
2. Rudy Croes
3. Mitch Croes

Select the right candidate and be part of the friends and Famaly Group

Now for DirtyHand,

worked on the Permiso Gate,
worked on the Driver License Gate,
worked on the Minister Ramon Lee Sexual/rape Gate
worked on the Joran V/D Sloot Gate
Worked on the Hendrick Hit and Run Gate

all are MEP Government related case.

CAPS

Is Valentine old enough to be drinking at Frogs?

hmmm i pick #3?

Caps wrote;

....all of the above

Good Pick

Now Mitch is the wife of Number 1.

...and does Mitch play in a band?

Hmmmm!  Not sure on Steve Croes, but some of us would just love to know who Freddy Zedan belongs to?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/zhendrikcroeswq7-1-1.jpg) (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/zhendrik2kz0shhhhhh-2-1.jpg) (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/djsmile.gif)

FReddy M. Zedan     M=matina

Thanks Caps...this has been discussed before in the Shango thread.  If this is so, why do we have Zedans multiplying like bunnies all over Aruba and Venezuela, as well as more Arambatzis than we know what to do with? Any ideas?

And Montanja 62...who lives there...Chamber says Lilian Rodriguez.

Thanks again, Caps...

Steve G. Croes is the son off who?

1. Hendrick Croes
2. Rudy Croes
3. Mitch Croes


....




DUDE, I KNEW... I just knew...


Those Croes brothers have poked anything and everything on that

island except for storm windows, and anything that wasn't

bolted or screwed to the house frames!!!

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Not CAPS , but I don't see Savaneta Reef anywhere........

http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Caps...would you please share what you have found that makes you think this.

Thanks..

Wouldn't Savaneta anything be at the opposite end of the island?

Oh,I'm sorry,I didn't mean to offend you sweety.I've been told I post aggressive sometimes and plus I didn't read your post properly.Again,I'm sorry if I came off that way and offended you.I agree,there has to be some evidence left on the van der sloot compound.

I should think so nearer the town........

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Looks like someone let SandraK out again  ::MonkeyWink::.  Can't tell if she's letting me know that SHE knows who Shango is OR that she thinks I'm Shango, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/SandraKRU071708.jpg)

In Amigoe dutch through google translator:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44646.php



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(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AmigoeCroes3.jpg)

(http://bestsmileys.com/drinking/16.gif)

johan

I would guess Arashi or Malmok Reef.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://scuba-diving-shipwreck.aruba-travel-info.com/Scuba-Diving.jpg&imgrefurl=http://scuba-diving-shipwreck.aruba-travel-info.com/&h=240&w=320&sz=15&hl=en&start=60&tbnid=XxO1DmUsb6XhlM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3Daruban%2Breefs%26start%3D40%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

Nut -  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Yes, SandraK and Renfro seem to have BUI in common  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

OT...Cassidy Cantrell found safe...or klaas, San, Blonde

 ::MonkeyDance::

I don't think we should make fun of SandraK's post. It's the first complete sentence I've ever seen her make!

CBB  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/4145332.jpg)


this came from google earch, if it shows at all.  i have never tried this before.
dennisintn


Edited to fix the post - Dennis, is this the photo you wanted to post?  That's all I could get from your post  ::MonkeyWink::  :

Hey Caps its Very Good to see You.....Do You have a Date of Birth for Freddy Matina Zedan? TIA  ::MonkeyWink::

Found the website it came from.  Lot's of good photos of Aruba here:

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/4145332

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Sandra K. really takes the cake, but just by a nose. ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/jhjhhjhj.png)

 ::MonkeyDance::


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/zoom1-1.jpg)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OH WOW!!!!

Just noticed I have my Buckeye Gear on!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks Klaas/CBB!!!

Love ya!!! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

Oh my gosh you have me rolling!!!

Your own Blonde bashing thread...WOW!!! you are moving up in the world!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

And a 3 post/day limit...are you serious or for real??!! ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

What a hoot!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

thanks, klaas.  i was trying to send a picture from google earth.  the savaneta reef is where that house sits.  go to google earth, and enter "savaneta reef" in the search place on the top left margin.  it's even got a pin marking where that house sits.
dennisintn

ARUBA BITES IT. Any questions?


Amigoe News


Aruba
KLM onderzoekt gevolgen vliegtax KLM examine effects vliegtax
17 Jul, 2008, 18:05 (GMT -04:00) July 17, 2008, 18:05 (GMT -04:00)

http://tinyurl.com/5srm9n

I agree Sweetie, exactly what Beth wrote in her book.

If the media had not been there catching so much of it, they would be ready to put Beth in the looney bin...no one would have believed the stuff that went on!!

IDSTLou, the U fell off your hat!!    GoooooooooooSooners!!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Dennis - yes.  You can actually get to the google earth from the link I posted above.  Here is a screen shot of that picture on Google Earth.  Note the location is near Savaneta which is at the other end of the island from Arashi:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/SavanetaHouse.jpg)

The one Diario posted a pic of?

We need Destiny on the phone first thing tomorrow!! lol

Took me two posts before I realized you all had my new outfit on me!!! lol


Thanks so much!!

I was thinking the same thing Klaas...think he gets nightmares?

I hope Natalee visits him in his dreams!!!

Catching up...can you tell??!!!

I think I am the only one posting tonight but this was so damned funny!!!

Great one Johan!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

If we were doing a poll of the all the elements or pieces in this case that we'd like to most know the definitive answer to, those darn shoes would make the top 10 on my list. All I feel I know for certain is that Joran purposefully constructed something about the shoes. For what purpose is something I've debated with myself for a long time.

Glad you finally got dressed for football, Idstlou! It took me a while to see the request and post it, but Klaas got it up right away!

??????? ::MonkeyConfused::

Would it really matter? ::MonkeyNoNo::

You know, Oklahoma University - Boomer Sooner Boomer Sooner Go OU>>>>

But you do look really cute!!! ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks for your help!!!


Shoes get me also!!!

I think there is truth to it...otherwise deepak would not have felt he "slipped" when the guy in the car was talking to him and he said he almost blew it.

kay...you know I love you all!!!
Do you all know it is L...as in Lisa.... LDSTLOU?
Not sure if you all are teasing me about Chunky Rat or really think it is IDSTLOU??!! ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/5T6546546.png)

::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Last off-topic...... there is only 1 " O.S.U." -- it is in  ::MonkeyDance::Oklahoma!

oops!!! Didn't click!!!

Do you know I had an Uncle who played for Oklahoma? Great guy!! Passed from cancer a couple years back.


NO DID NOT FORGET THE U!!!!! lol

O-H-I-O....GO BUCKEYES!!!!!

You all have no idea the bets I have lost to my "southern friend" over Ohio State though!! Damned southern teams keep beating us in the championship games!!

Still owe my "southern friend" a damned bottle of scotch from last year!! lol

Hoping for double or nothing this season!! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

REPOSTING - SORRY crazybabyborg for screwing up the 'quotes' to make it look like you posted Cinderfella pics!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Take two -
Poor Cinderfella...

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(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/roirogers/cinderfella2a.gif)
 

btw...sorry for the o/t topic!!
Just LOVE my Buckeyes!!
My alma mater

ok...soda on the screen now!!!

Too funny!!!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


O-H-I-O

Yep, sorry for the O/ T        OUOUOUOUOUOUOUOUOUOUOUOUOUOUOUOU ::MonkeyCool::

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Weren't those the same two people from 1-2 days ago...

where do they get these chumps? They must fall out of

the Divi trees down there!

Carpe....they just look so....uhhh so......SO FRICCIN' HAPPY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Life of the Party!!!!!! Whoop-de-do all da way Bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Des

Yep, same two! (They're camping out for Barry Manilow tickets at the Aruba Music Festival in October)  ::MonkeyCool::

Carpe....they bus em' in for Cosino Night from Florida....after 24 hours of Bingo...they then get bussed to SENIOR TOADS....for the *all you can gum* Buffett...

 ::MonkeyShocked:: No, Idstlou, I really didn't know it was Ldstlou! I'm so sorry!

BON DIA

ARUBA

Fiscal Majoor mr. Mos

ORANJESTAD – No ta asina, manera cierto medio di comunicacion ta pretende, cu e castigo cu Hues a dicta pa Tico Croes, esaki ta disparce. Asina Fiscal Majoor mr. Mos a duna di conoce na redactor di Bon Dia Aruba durante un entrevista.    Mr. Mos, den e entrevista a splica cu el a reuni cu mr. Chris Lejuez  caminda tabatin palabracionnan concreto haci pa cu e halamento di e apelacion aden.

ROFLMAO! Carpe, you crack me up!

Yep, Looks like it's gonna be a hot time in the old town tonight, alright! It's POLKA night at the Frog!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/MonkeyCam.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck,

Every day I wake up it is like Groundhog Day, all over again.

I simply cannot believe they torched 100,000 people

for 4 raping, murdering, body disposing lint balls

like the Van der sloots and Kalpoes of Aruba.

I mean, it is something that movies are made of, how can

one country be so full of idiots? It is no wonder Chavez

hasn't invaded them yet sending in a force posing as

Avon ladies. O'Duber & Rudy Croes & Hans Mos would instruct them

to stand by and let it happen.

Steve Croes is hurridly changing his play list to include more Lawrence Welk. ::MonkeyTongue::

Have you seen the movie: "Idiocracy"???

I've always said that the day WILL come when this story will be on the big screen! I hope it is well made, star studded, and a real blockbuster! Aruba isn't anywhere near the last blow from their corrupt decisions to ignore and cover-up what happened to this young girl, her Mother, and her Father, and her family. It ain't over!

Idiocracy:

No, but I just checked the plot out at IMDB. BINGO!!!!!!!

I need to see it now.

...


Private Joe Bauers, the definition of "average American", is selected by the Pentagon to be the guinea pig for a top-secret hibernation program. Forgotten, he awakes 500 years in the future. He discovers a society so incredibly dumbed-down that he's easily the most intelligent person alive.

 ::MonkeyDance::

IT DEFINITELY will never be over until it is time to be over, CBB.

This cannot stand. It will not.

Hans Mos

Aruba

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Interesting post, tonight by Eddie at BFN:

I was just on the phone with my friend from mexico speaking spanish and she called her new son "Daury".  I asked her to say it again and to make sure i heard correct.  She said she calls him that.  It's a short cute son like form name of Eduardo.

Eduardo huh? 

And Eddie at BFN is????? 

Buckeye always has very interesting posts....thought provoking....and I like them.

Not sure who Eddie is.  I know he claims to have a "source/friend" in Aruba.  Sounds like he may either be from or vacation in that area ABC islands and knows some people.

If the conversation with his friend was in Spanish, I wonder why he wouldn't know that Daury was a sort of nickname for Eduardo....and his screen name is Eddie...just made me question...ya know?  Guess I have little faith...

Over and out...g'nite. ::MonkeyCool::

LOL, excellent point  ::MonkeyWink::  Nite 2NJ

Sweet Dreams 2NJ....

Sorry I haven't been here much...I've been posting away in the new *feelings* thread...TY Klaas and Blonde.....It gives me an avenue to put my other inner self out there...it feels good...so I Thank this Forum for that opportunity.......

Destiny

there was also a sandra on fok in the beginning , ::MonkeyHaHa:: a illiterate  person

ok...wait...aren't you supposed to say..."NO Ldstlou....I didn't know it wasn't Idstlou!!!!" lol


You know I luv ya CBB!!!! So I won't call ya Chunky Rat Jr.!!!! lol

Just kidding!!!

You are forgiven....didn't even have to ask silly girl!!!

Yes there is Savaneta Reef  and there is a old pipe 1400 meters  into the sea ,there is also a pipe in the Arashi area
i try to find the pipe
i don't know if this is the pipe on the pic

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Savanetareefkopie.jpg?t=1216365398)

I am with you 2NJ....very interesting observations ......  :2thinky:

Just a quick drive-by.  I don't know anything about "Eddie".  I don't read there enough to have a handle on the posters.  It is odd, given the nic.   :smt102

I have a son and a brother also named edward, edwardo in spanish and speak it fluently but have never heard of daury being short for eddie, edward or edwardo. In fact never heard .of the name daury till on this website.  Must be something new.
By the way Im not posting much but read daily.  Is Beth still going foward with the civil case? Not much about it in any papers or newsbreaks.I never heard back from Greta,Geraldo or Guilfoil on the sneaker find,but there was a rumor that media was on the island any truth to that? Also I just read the persnickety sneakers have dissapeared-did I miss reading that? ttyl monkeys sl

 ::MonkeyHaHa::Good one, Klaas!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Soryy catching up on reading and I have another question- If it is compulsury for arubans to join thier so called dutch marine  service on the island then is Joran a draft dodger at 18 or does .criminality let him off the hook?  Maybe a dumb question but does attending university let him off or maybe its his psychiatric history?

 read more here -

http://www.thedailyherald.com/tdhonline/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=315:red-cross-broke&catid=56:today (http://www.thedailyherald.com/tdhonline/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=315:red-cross-broke&catid=56:today)

I got my thinking hat on so now you guys are stuck with my dumb questions and comments ok here goes:

Dutch marines must have lots of recruits on that isle where there are plenty of 18 plus aged males.
now being that there are so many drug houses,pimps and addicts there- it lends belief that there is no compulsory age otherwise there wouldnt be so many lost souls on that misbegotton island.
Are only dutch nationals able to be recruited and if so then what with the arubans under reign of queen beatrix?

Where did the sneakers dissapear from originate? Or is this just lite humor on this thread?
Obviously Sandra K must read here. funny though how she convienently figured this out after the post on this thread but hasnt said who she thinks it is.
The drainage pipes and the tunnels under the california lighthouse-appear to dump into the ocean just past the drop off by the appearance in the photos, wouldnt they just flush everything out to sea including decomposing body parts.

re the broken into tombs in 2005 could it be that someone knew or surmised the body could have been stored there but not  exactly which one it was in ,hense the distruction of many of the tombs. I know way back it was believed to be . a warning of silence to the family whose crypts were broken into but could it have just been stupid desperation to find and relocate the body before anyone else got a clue to check out the crypts.

The extreme frustration in flollowing this case can make anyone crazy..

From BFN
Translation of Peter DeVries article by GBMW
Re: Holloway Tapes: Van Der Eem Used Cocaine
« Reply #255 on: Today at 04:20:18 AM »   

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05-02-2008

REACTION ON THE REACTIONS…
The publicity storm that started before the Natalee show still continues after the show aired. We’re still overwhelmed with interview requests and questions from the press. Last night our show was aired in the US by ABC and that can be noticed by the number of phone calls coming from overseas. The response is still a bit uncertain, but other channels have repeated the footage.

YES - NO

I’m sometimes a bit surprised about the reactions in the Netherlands. The claim of Joran that he made everything up, is sometimes quoted as if it’s an announcement coming from our official information service which makes it look like this is become a bit like a  indefinable yes – no game. I look at this differently: claiming it’s made up, is the only thing left if he wants to avoid prison time. He can hardly tell he was dead serious. Again, I point out that the confessions of Joran are completely in line with the serious accusations that were against him before and where he has been arrested for earlier. Those were based on the, established, lies that Joran told about his whereabouts that night.

If he lied then, who says he’s not lying now, I read here and there. That looks like a logic question,  but it’s not according to me. It’s appears to be: once a liar, always a liar, but exactly this doesn’t apply in this situation. Joran was with Natalee when she died, yes or no, there are no other options. So if his first statements are implausible and untruthful, it becomes more believable that his confession, made in good faith,  to a friend is true.

Yesterday, colleague Kees van der Spek was right to point out to me  that it speaks for itself that you lie to the police if you are risking to be arrested or to be convicted – like Joran provable did –  than that you share a secret with your best friend in a one-on-one situation.

- CONFESSIONS WITH BODY LANGUAGE -

Joran claimed – even before our report was aired – that he had just told what the undercover Patrick ‘wanted to hear’  and that he was a bit suspicious already. But how in the world did Joran know what our undercover wanted to hear? Is he claiming Patrick dictated this to him? And isn’t it that you would exactly not say what someone wants to hear in his situation, but that you would emphasize your innocence even more? But no, instead of that Joran wears himself out, on different dates & times, in detailed confessions, with the meaningful body language and sealed with a hand shake, where he exactly tells the things that answer the questions from the LE (if he was with Natalee when she died, what happened to the body, how he got home, where his shoes are, etc. etc.).

The ALE has stated in a press  conference that about 80% of the statements correspond with earlier research findings.

-SELECTIVE SELECTION? –

The lawyers of Joran now say there might have been a selective choice from the tapes. That’s even a bit funny. At first his American lawyer yelled, before the airing, that there couldn’t be any confessions and now it’s clear that there is more than we could have aired in two hours, we are getting a reproach that we have been selective. Of course, it has been edited because otherwise it would have been an evening / night filling show, but it is done correctly. The LE has had ALL our tapes in their possession for some time now and listened to them. The new suspicion against Joran – manslaughter – is also based on that. The LE wouldn’t have done that of course if it would have appeared from those tapes that the conversations were false.

- LOOSE ENDS -

Of course there can be some loose ends and inadequacies in Jorans confession. I’ve pointed out in my show that I take into account he – for his own good – weakened certain points, distorted or concealed things to protect himself or others.

I’ve investigated hundreds of homicide & disappearance cases in my life. In a huge number the perpetrator eventually gave a full confession and completely cooperated with police and the LE. And even then there are always a few things that won’t correspond with the results from the police investigation. Does that make the confession worthless? No, of course not. Even in the best marriages partners don’t always tell each other the complete truth, so also in that friendship with Patrick Joran could have had motives to not completely inform him about, for instance, the cause of death of Natalee, the way he got home or who helped him. But that doesn’t make his extensive confession not less valuable or credible. In trials conflicting or even untruths appear quite often. The judge brings in with his verdict that “there are untruths, but that the statement in general is credible and / or authentic”.

- NOT GIVING IN DURING HEARINGS -

I have to refute the claim that Joran is  mentally unstable and can be provoked to give all sorts of statements. If someone is stable it’s Joran. He has been arrested twice and has been under severe pressure during questioning but didn’t give in. He was able to keep his calm and consequently appealed to his right to keep silent. Not once was he allured nor enticed to say anything during the hearings after his second arrest, while there was – partially developed by behaviour experts –a  plan of questioning. That’s not exactly the behaviour of an unstable & dense person.

Furthermore the theory he wanted to impress Patrick van der Eem with the story Natalee died in his arms and that he subsequently disposed of her in the ocean. It is not true  that these kind of horror stories create any kind of a favourable  impression or regard in the criminal world. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. Believe me, nobody is impressed – but in fact disgusted – if someone confesses that he disposed of a young (and possibly still alive), innocent girl in the ocean and lied to her desperate mother for years. Child-, women- & lust murderers try very hard to conceal why they are imprisoned because otherwise they will be molested. No,  the criminal world is more impressed when someone innocent has been to prison & the LE is forced to acknowledge this. LE is the suspect then and that’s amusing in that environment; not the other way around.

- BLOWING IN THE CAR -

Finally this: there are references that Joran was blowing weed in the car. That’s true. That didn’t happen because we nor our undercover wanted this or aimed at it,  it ‘s just that Joran does this everyday. He writes about this in his book and  when he was arrested for the second time, he also proudly announced  he was ‘so stoned’ when the police came to collect him at home. Nothing happened in the car that doesn’t happen in Jorans’ everyday life.

PETER R. DE VRIES
 

sorry about the messed up quote stack Johan.... ::MonkeyConfused::

Johan,
Is the article in English on Peter's website?  If so, please post a link to it.
Thanks!
TM

A great warrior for Natalee and friend of mine shared this link with me a few days ago.  Every since....this song...and of course "Feelings"...have been stuck in my head!  I think the video's been out for a while so some have probably seen it, but I wanted to share it with those who haven't.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z5T9oUoQBbk

::MonkeyLaugh:: Ain't that the truth!

tex, thank you for giving us this reminder.  i forgot to add it to my favorites and it is a terrific reminder of natalee and how precious she really was.  i could have done without the pics of the darksiders, but they sure make for a totally black and white reminder.
dennisintn

the dutch system as practiced by aruba is as follows:   money comes first-justice comes last and only if it doesn't cost us anything at all.
dennisintn

Johan posted his own Google translation of the same article, yesterday.  Peter's website is in Dutch....here's the link, but I wasn't able to find the article, myself. 

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

Thanks for sharing the info....I do not have the Spanish background and also never heard the name before reading it here.  Think I'll remain skeptical, for now, though.

Yes, and LESS DEFT of foot as well!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

This is easily my "Pic of Week".  hilarious.  You should put a "people detector" in his hands.  Ya know, like those metal detectors people use on the beaches sometimes.

Too funny.

Question - is it Dori? Dorey? Daury? Daurey? Daurry? Dowry? Dorie? Dorrie? Dawry? Dawrie?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Who came up with the spelling 'DAURY' that we have to stick with? Did Joran spell out each letter in the name he blurted out or did we just assume this spelling cuz he played tennis (or something) with a guy w/this same last name?

Dori = a small, shallow boat, like the white boat w/red stripes on the Aru-bay video.
Daury is the guy who has a boat docked in front of the hotels.

Just curious...

Carpe...I left a question for Ya in the feelings thread....TIA

Des

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/front-2.jpg)
(I would love to know what the headline says!)  ::MonkeyWink::

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/3569/30/

HENDRIK CROES DECLARA LIBER DI TUR ACUSACION 
Friday, 18 July 2008 
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diahuebs mainta huez a duna su veredicto den e caso contra Hendrik Croes. Croes a wordo acusa di a manda auto riba un agente policial, cu intencion di dal e cune. Ademas di esaki el a wordo acusa di a pone trafico den peliger. Tur esaki riba 16 di Maart 2008, cu tabata e dia cu tabata tin un manifestacion grandi riba pago di indexering.

Huez a trece dilanti cu pa e por condena un persona pa e acusacionnan aki, mester tin pruebanan convincente. Den e caso aki segun huez, e no a wordo convenci pa e pruebanan. Pesey el a duna beneficio di duda na e sospechoso. Huez a trece dilanti loke e ta kere cu a sosode riba 16 di Maart.

El a bisa cu ora cu Hendrik a yega cerca di e rotonde di Paradera, e tabata core poco poco, pero e no kier a lora banda drechi manera agente policial Maduro tabata indica pa tur auto hasi.

E kier a sigui straight. Maduro lo tabata para un tiki banda di e auto ora e tabata pasando y a dal su man riba e hood di e auto. Hendrik lo a aumenta su velocidad un tiki y e auto lo a raspa curpa di e agente policial. Huez a bisa cu el a haya declaracion di dos di e testigonan cu tabata para cerca, importante.

Nan tabata cerca di e rotonde y ningun di nan a bisa cu e auto a dal e agente policial. Ademas di esaki huez a bisa cu e rapport medico y e potretnan di e supuesto lesionnan di agente Maduro, no tabata mustra cu e tabata tin lesion.

Huez a bisa cu e no ta haya e declaracion di e colega di Maduro kende a sostene loke Maduro a bisa, suficiente pa kere cu esaki di berdad a sosode.

Huez ta haya cu e colega di Maduro no tabata para suficientemente bon, pa e por a wak loke el a bisa cu el a wak. Mirando cu huez ta haya cu no tabata tin un accidente causa pa Hendrik, no por acuse tampoco di core bay despues di causa un accidente, ni tampoco causa peliger den trafico. Huez a declara Croes liber di tur acusacion.

Online translation:  ::MonkeyConfused::

hendrik croes declara pound of all acusacion
friday, 18 july 2008
oranjestad(aan): diahuebs morning huez owing to give his veredicto in the caso contra hendrik croes. croes owing to wordo acusa of owing to send car on one agent policial, cu intencion of strike the cune. apart from this past owing to wordo acusa of owing to place trafico in danger. all this on 16 of march 2008, cu was the day cu was have one manifestacion big on payment of indexering. huez owing to trece fast cu for her can condena one person for her acusacionnan here, have to have pruebanan convincente. in the caso here according huez, the not owing to wordo convenci for her pruebanan. pesey past owing to give beneficio of doubt at the sospechoso. huez owing to trece fast thing the is believe cu owing to sosode on 16 of march. past owing to tell cu hour cu hendrik owing to arrive close of the rotonde of paradera, the was core some poco, but the does not owing to lora near right as agent policial maduro was indica for all car make. the wanted owing to follow straight. maduro will was stop one bit near of the car hour the was pasando y owing to strike his hand on the hood of the car. hendrik will owing to aumenta his velocidad one bit y the car will owing to raspa curpa of the agent policial. huez owing to tell cu past owing to achieve declaracion of two of the testigonan cu was stop close, important. they was close of the rotonde y none of they owing to tell cu the car owing to strike the agent policial. apart from this huez owing to tell cu the rapport medico y the potretnan of the supuesto lesionnan of agent maduro, not was show cu the was have lesion. huez owing to tell cu the do not achieve the declaracion of the colega of maduro that owing to sostene thing maduro owing to tell, sufficient for believe cu this of berdad owing to sosode. huez is achieve cu the colega of maduro not was stop suficientemente good, for her can owing to look at thing past owing to tell cu past owing to look at. mirando cu huez is achieve cu not was have one accidente cause for hendrik, not can acuse niether of core bay after of cause one accidente, neither niether cause danger in trafico. huez owing to declara croes pound of all acusacion. come across

 

Sandy, I have searched till my eyes blurred and cannot find much on military service for Aruba. I'm not sure if the statement I quoted implied compulsion for the Dutch or the Arubans. From looking at Aruba though, it seems like there's far too many men in that age bracket running around, to be a compulsory requirement. JMO.

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/3572/30/

Den Caso Fondo no a actua contra difamacion Eman y Croes 
Friday, 18 July 2008 
ORANJESTAD(AAN)—Si Ministerio Publico ta lamenta loke a pasa den caso Hendrik.....Despues cu Mos a insisti pa bay den apelacion contra libertad pa ex Ministro Presidente Eman y awor ta declara cu ta ex Ministro Tico Croes a pidi pa yega na un deal, loke no ta berdad, e declaracion cu autoridad penal a manda ayera a base di e caso Hendrik, a resulta straño.

Den dje ta lamenta cu e agente policial a causa persecucion di Hendrik. Tristo, ta e palabra cu Ministerio Publico a usa. Mientrastanto autoridad penal nunca a tuma paso contra Nilo Swaen, Departamento di Finanza, Presidente di Parlamento, Landsrecherche, cu manera tur cos ta mustra a despista autoridad penal den e caso Fondo Nobo.

Esey a conduci na acusacion oficial di gasta placa di mas, mientras Dr. Tico Croes a laga un reserva di 200 Miyon atras, mientras e rapport cu tabata exonera Henny Eman di hechonan castigabel tambe a cana un ruta sumamente straño.

Un midi mester tin den persecucion penal, manera DIARIO a bisa hasta dilanti Corte di Husticia y a gana su caso. E sentencia di Huez ayera y e declaracionnan di Ministerio Publico a mustra cu preguntanan grandi ta nace atrobe pakico a permiti loke a pasa den e Caso Fondo Nobo, caminda siete aña largo a kibra un Ex Ministro Presidente cu a rescata su pais y un ex Ministro di Finanza, cu a traha un tremendo trabau pa turismo, como Ministro di Finanza a pone control pa evita entre otro loke awor a pasa na Laboratorio, y a laga un reserva di 200 Miyon atras ora el a baha como Ministro di Finanza.

Autoridad penal a base di e sentencia di Huez den e caso Hendrik ayera y a base di e declaracionnan cu Mos a haci cu ta perhudica Dr. Tico Croes den imagen publico, mester trece e version corecto di Caso Fondo Nobo y mester actua awor contra esnan cu intencionalmente a trata di despista autoridad.

Informacionnan cu DIARIO tin ta mustra con Presidente di Parlamento sa cu tabata tin presupuesto supletorio traha door di Tico Croes cu a bay pa Parlamento atende, pero cu a worde tranca door di Presidente di Parlamento, loke a haci autoridad basa nan acusacion di gasta placa di mas.

Ora Departamento di Finanza a worde puntra si tabata tin un presupuesto supletorio, nan a bisa cu e no ta existi, loke no tabata berdad. Nilo Swaen tabata tin e presupuesto supletorio y Finanza tabata na haltura di esaki.

Pa loke ta trata gasta di mas placa, Tico Croes a bay laga un reserva di 200 Miyon atras pa Gobierno Oduber, pero e pruebanan aki di un forma of otro te na 2005, segun informacion cu DIARIO tin, no a alcanza Ministerio Publico.

Mas dudoso ta e hecho cu ora a cuminza persigui ex Ministro Presidente Henny Eman, un funcionario di Finanza a entrega un rapport na Landsrecherche, den cual tur culpa di Eman a worde absolvi. E rapport aki no a worde manda pa Theresa. Ora a insisti riba e asunto, Theresa mester a manda pidi e rapport, cu informantenan ta duda cu a forma parti di un Proces Verbaal cu e miembro di Landsrecherche, cu awor ta candidato pa un puesto halto, a traha pa por a haci Eman sospechoso enbez di testigo.

Cu investigacion nobo mester habri den e caso Fondo Nobo pero cu acusadonan nobo, ta algo cu ta parce inevitabel segun informantenan y informacionnan pisa cu ta alcanza DIARIO.

Ademas poco hende por comprende con e mes Ministerio Publico cu a permiti Mos gaña cu ta Dr. Tico Croes a bay pidi deal mientras ta Van der Schaft a papia cu dos abogado riba e posibilidad pa yega na un acuerdo pa asina evita, manera autoridad penal mes a pone den carta, cu nan por a perde den apelacion, ta haya tristo cu a trata di daña nomber di Hendrik Croes, cu si ta asina tampoco ta corecto.

DIARIO ta sigui cu su investigacionnan den e caso Fondo Nobo, cu a base di e sentencia di Huez ta haya un vuelta completamente nobo.

 
Online Translation:
in caso fondo not owing to actua contra difamacion eman y croes
friday, 18 july 2008
oranjestad(aan)—si ministerio publico is lamenta thing owing to happen in caso hendrik.....despues cu mos owing to insisti for bay in apelacion contra freedom for ex ministro chairman eman y now is declara cu is ex ministro tico croes owing to ask for arrive at one deal, thing do not berdad, the declaracion cu autoridad penal owing to send yesterday owing to base of the caso hendrik, owing to resulta odd. in dje is lamenta cu the agent policial owing to cause persecucion of hendrik. tristo, is the word cu ministerio publico owing to using. all the time autoridad penal never did take pace contra nilo swaen, departamento of finanza, chairman of parliament, landsrecherche, cu as all cos is show owing to despista autoridad penal in the caso fondo new. esey owing to conduci at acusacion oficial of spend coin of more, while dr. tico croes owing to let one reserva of 200 miyon behind, while the rapport cu was exonera henny eman of hechonan castigabel also owing to march one ruta extremely odd. one measure have to have in persecucion penal, as daily paper owing to tell even fast corte of husticia y owing to earn his caso. the sentencia of huez yesterday y the declaracionnan of ministerio publico owing to show cu questions big is nace again pakico owing to permiti thing owing to happen in the caso fondo new, caminda seven year largo owing to break one ex ministro chairman cu owing to rescata his country y one ex ministro of finanza, cu owing to work one tremendo trabau for turism, because; ministro of finanza owing to place control for evita among another thing now owing to happen at laboratory, y owing to let one reserva of 200 miyon behind hour past owing to descend because; ministro of finanza. autoridad penal owing to base of the sentencia of huez in the caso hendrik yesterday y owing to base of the declaracionnan cu mos owing to haci cu is perhudica dr. tico croes in imagen publico, have to trece the version corecto of caso fondo new y have to actua now contra esnan cu intencionalmente owing to deal of despista autoridad. informacionnan cu daily paper have is show con chairman of parliament know cu was have presupuesto supletorio work door of tico croes cu owing to bay for parliament atende, but cu owing to worde tranca door of chairman of parliament, thing owing to haci autoridad basa they acusacion of spend coin of more. hour departamento of finanza owing to worde ask about if was have one presupuesto supletorio, they owing to tell cu the do not existi, thing not was berdad. nilo swaen was have the presupuesto supletorio y finanza was at height of this. for thing is deal spend of more coin, tico croes owing to bay let one reserva of 200 miyon behind for gobierno oduber, but the pruebanan here of one form or another till at 2005, according informacion cu daily paper have, not owing to alcanza ministerio publico. more doubtful is the mature cu hour owing to cuminza persigui ex ministro chairman henny eman, one funcionario of finanza owing to entrega one rapport at landsrecherche, in cual all culpa of eman owing to worde absolvi. the rapport here not owing to worde send for theresa. hour owing to insisti on the asunto, theresa have to owing to send ask the rapport, cu informantenan is doubt cu owing to form part of one proces verbaal cu the acolyte of landsrecherche, cu now is candidato for one function high, owing to work for can owing to haci eman sospechoso enbez of witness. cu investigacion new have to open in the caso fondo new but cu acusadonan new, is algo cu is seems inevitabel according informantenan y informacionnan pisa cu is alcanza daily paper. besides some person can comprende con the self ministerio publico cu owing to permiti mos lie cu is dr. tico croes owing to bay ask deal while is van der schaft owing to talk cu two advocate on the posibilidad for arrive at one acuerdo for so evita, as autoridad penal self owing to place in carta, cu they can owing to lose in apelacion, is achieve tristo cu owing to deal of spite name of hendrik croes, cu if is so niether is corecto. daily paper is follow cu his investigacionnan in the caso fondo new, cu owing to base of the sentencia of huez is achieve one vuelta completamente new. come across

   
Aruba
July 17, 2008, 18:08 (GMT -04:00)

Acquittal for Hendrik Croes

Policeagent Edgar Maduro leaves the court just after he was convicted for making false declarations against lawyer Hendrik Croes.

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/07-17-maduro.jpg)

ORANJESTAD - Former Minister of Justice, now a lawyer, Hendrik Croes was acquitted of all charges after three policeman Edgar Maduro had accused him on March 16 to have intentionally hit him with his car . Maduro was himself sentenced to the making of false declaration, as his line with the requirement of a four-month conditional sentence and 160 hours service with a probationary period of three years required.

 

Rent A car on aruba !!! to see the Paradise  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ARENTACAR.jpg?t=1216408610)

The victim kinda favors charlierat...wouldn't that be *sweet*?  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

thanks for the info. I have to cuncur. sl

I don't believe that one was in the AHATA ONE HAPPY ISLAND pamphlet.

How to see all of beautiful Aruba on just four bricks a day!

 ::MonkeyTongue::

What if your four bricks shy????

Then ALL THE GOOD ARUBANS will leave your rent-a-wreck in the dirt!

It appears as though they are only very picky when it comes to your

watch, wallet, and set of tires. ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/ghghghghg.jpg)

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anita looks like a butch gym teacher from Russia.

I betcha she can haul a king azz load of peat moss.

I think that is why dingle ditz married her, he is in to gardening, right?

With that gosh awful smile...

she looks like she eats her young.

she should at least start considering it as a wise idea!

Guess so, she looks like a big orange .......

Or may a giantnormus orange squash!

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/fgert5665ertrre.png)

You know you want her Carpe!!! ::MonkeyTongue::

Carpe, shes saying ORANGE you glad youre not me!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/TALKINBOUT.png)

 ::MonkeyCool::

Im going to have Destiny call her for you,  youll be saying "luv me some Anita.

Hands Carpe blind fold and large paper bag....LOL!!!

Destiny

Carpe...can you put one of beauty pagent banners across her front...*Pumpkin Festival Queen*

DES...

I have to go fix dinner - call me Carpe, lets have dinner and a move!!!

Do they make laytex gloves for ears????

Lmaooo, Good one 1 !!!

Yes, but Joran forgot to put one in his wallet...

...and he will not listen without one...

He will never listen without one, he just wouldn't do a thing like that, he told Greta that...

...and for a short moment in time, she was inclined to believe him.


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Destiny, he would need a Ove Glove....

Very few people can wear the color orange and look good, Anita is not one of them  ::MonkeyHaHa::

All she is missing is a Jolly Green Giant hairdo... & we could attach some

kite string to her buns and fly her at the Walt Disney World parade! ::cartwheel::

To start the weekend on a "soft" note, here's a song and video for those who loved Natalee, for anyone who's lost someone they loved: 

(there is a 30 sec. deodoarant commercial first; I couldn't get the Flash thing to work right  ::MonkeyConfused::)

http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/--2154260

That was nice, Li'l Puma! (I didn't even have to sit through the deodorant commercial)

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/natprom1.png)

Glad you enjoyed it. 

Those commercials are what allow them to bring us these free music videos.   ::MonkeyWink::

DANA PRETZER TONIGHT

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/Pretzer071808.jpg)

Thank You Klaas ;-)

Another fatal accident in Aruba.  For such a small island they sure have alot of traffic fatalities.  Sad.

http://www.24ora.com/




Accidente fatal na San Nicolas 
Policial 
Friday, 18 July 2008 - 21:34 
Diabierna anochi na Nieuweweg un truck a alcansa un peaton. E accidente a resulta e peaton fatal. Ta trata aki di un homber di 86 anja bow inicial J.N . Testigonan ta conta cu e homber aki tur anochi ta cana den vecindario di Centro Medico.  E homber a keda pega bow di e truck. Personal di Centro Medico a purba di hasi tur lo posibel pero sin resultado. Dokter a constata morto parti paden di Centro Medico. 24ora.com ta manda palabra di condolencia na e familiares.
 

Looks like Freddy to me......whatcha think? Still in Aruba...

(http://mangodesignstudio.com/gallery/albums/12-08-2008-WEEKENDTEQUILA/normal_38WEEKTEQUILA_38.JPG)

Looks like Freddy to me, too, bleachedblack.

Yup, looks like an older, puffy version.

HERE'SSSSSSSS   JORDY!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

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 ::MonkeyHaHa::Good one, Klaas!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

[/quote]



The Aruba Tourism Authority has a backlog in its official publication of statistics on tourist
arrivals and nights spent on the island for the months of December 2007 up to and including May
2008.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yes that is Freddy and his hair looks like it is thinning on top.

I yust glad it is not see-through, bro bro!


(singing aloud)

'cuz I haven't got time for the pain! No, I haven't got time for the... ::MonkeyHaHa::

We lay them down daily for OUR GIRLIE!


... and I am pretty sure she would be doing the same for us,

if the situation were reversed.

We keep her livin'...

She keeps us livin'

This is how it works.

 ::MonkeyCool::


(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/HYHYY77.jpg)

Hairline, jawline and ears - almost Jaime to a 'T'.

But look at the Haunting Evidence Nose - hair parted in the middle reminds me of Jaime, add glasses and it reminds me of this 'Renzo' dude (by the way, anybody know his last name? The name "Renzo' was also on a graffiti pic in Aruba.

But that NOSE- that is definitely a Hendrick Croes Nose, right?

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/roirogers/poochy/hauntingevidencepic.jpg)

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/roirogers/RenzoM.jpg) (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/roirogers/poochy/hendrikcroes.jpg) (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/roirogers/x1pnprgmi5o51c53k3wlvbvxjd5i8j.jpg)

Renzo Muscariello

http://www.zorpia.com/at0mic

Thanks for Renzo's last name. Unfortunately the pic is small but if enlarged the nose and all is very fitting. Plus, the name "RENZO' has been around since day 1. We've heard 'lorenzo', but we also saw "RENZO" written in handwriting on a yellow wall with the alien pic on it!!!

And... wazzup with this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8TswzZmQw4&feature=related
 
Anybody know?  What is the name of the ship in the very beginning of the vid? 

The video looks like one of many Dutch renditions of Joran's confession.  The ship is probably just any photo they found and used for the video.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/fgfdgdgfd.png

Carpe - I see no resemblance.

Can you blow up Renzo's pic to the haunting evidence pic? He reminds me of the pic.  Here's a graffiti wall in Aruba with the name "Renzo" on it. TIA

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/roirogers/renzografitti.jpg)

I respectfully disagree, Poochy.

I am seeing quite a bit.

I'd be happy to blow up Renzo's pic and do a side by side for you, though!

Let me see what I can work up with that pic above.


BRB in a few!

The Haunting Evidence sketch reminds me of Jaime C or Guido.  To be honest, I don't put much stock in the sketch, I think it was more for show than anything.

Exactly. I was just looking at Joran, & then the guy who played Joran

on the freak circus of a Dutch re-enactment 2006 TV show...

If you mix the two, BAM! That is it. To me, anyway.


----

For Poochy!

Renzo vs. Haunting Evidence perp pic

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/gdgdgdf1.png

AW GEE CARPE - you are so polite !  ::MonkeyWink::

I know Joran is involved. Alpoes' also. And so are many others. One in particular I am looking for - someone who is related to an elder who scares the bejeebers out of the kids. 

This Renzo Muscariello guy reminds me of the haunting evidence pic. So does Jaime for that matter, but Renzo is Italian,  is a DJ  (as in follow the music) and makes movies.
 
http://www.djrenzom.com/podcast/podcast.xml
:: BPM Episode 14 with DJ/Producer Renzo Muscariello ...dirty house music

http://micrometix.net/

http://www.thedjlist.com/djs/RENZO_MUSCARIELLO/


http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1124801

On this site (great pics btw), it says "...MUSCARIELLO, Renzo – DJ, reportedly friends with Steve Croes & Paul Brough"




Here's his website:
http://www.djrenzom.com/  renzosm@mac.com

Renzo is such a T- Bizkit

He still lists Joran the rapist murderer Van der sloot of Aruba

as a friend on his Zorpia page.

What does this tell you about the guy?

Thanks Carpe!

I do see some Renzo, but that pic is definitely Jaime!

Forgot to add that the NOSE - see the NOSE - it is DEFINITELY HENDRICK CROES' NOSE!

You are welcome, Poochy!


.....

The pic of Anita above.

Her pants... I know she had to make those out of the seat covers

from a Braniff jet that was auctioned off when they went bankrupt!

Where does one go to look for such a pattern???   ::MonkeyRoll::

Here is your man, Poochy!

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/rtrtetete.png

What happened to the FEELINGS THREAD?????A

I've tried to log onto it six times...keep getting an *error* message saying board is missing or I don't have access to it...wwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....

Destiny

FEELINGS THREAD....THIS IS WHAT I KEEP GETTING:

An Error Has Occurred!
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

Me too! I thought I got banned or something!

Des,

Maybe your browser is playing a trick on you? They just merged the

Feelings & Dreams threads. Try closing everything out and then coming

back fresh. I just was over there a minute ago, with no probs.

Click here?


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=258.160

Thanks, carpe!   ::MonkeyCool::

Wierd, must be when I merged the two threads, DREAMS and FEELINGS.  Let me see if I can fix it.

Thanks Carpe - I'm sure that's the problem

THANK YOU CARPE!!!!!....whew...thought we got hacked cuz of my *feelings* post about Robin...wiping sweat off boobs....can breath again...and THANKS to whomever *merged* the 2 threads....

Destiny...

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Anita1.jpg)

Looks like Guido is in Aruba also:  http://www.sportsaruba.com/content/view/1088/32/


Un bon partido pa publico wak y cu e victoria aki Valero un biaha mas victorioso den nan prome encuentro y ya caba por a nota cu e equipo bou maneho di Guido Wever  por haci drama e anja aki.

This was cached, don't know if it is important or what the date is, but I saw the name David Wever and wondered about that David that left the den alive.
http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:NCtXW4hCQpgJ:www.one-happy-island.com/icq-user.asp%3Fu%3Dw%26i%3D+David+Wever+Aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=u

Name Nickname UIN# Location
Wauben, Chrysanthy  Santy  21434895  Netherlands   
Weiberg, Nancy  BUTTERFLY  51404094  Netherlands   
Weiberg, Xiomara  Shiny  3913277  Netherlands   
Werleman, Alan  O'Neill  8266163  Aruba   
Werleman, Cedrick  cedwer  76383151  Netherlands   
Werleman, Chantal  chantal  94813725  Netherlands   
Werleman, Chepy  metalheart  31991374  Netherlands   
Werleman, Danny  Loverboy  93647641  Netherlands   
Werleman, Darrell  Cookie Monster  94343709  Netherlands   
Werleman, François  Redhat_elite  59166566  Netherlands   
Werleman, Gian N.  U2  105839888
[pic]  Netherlands   
Werleman , Gianinna  **Shakira**  72194926
[pic]  Netherlands   
Werleman, Jamil  duragel  85251  Netherlands   
Werleman, Jennefer  ßåߥTµTµ  63119985  Aruba   
werleman, rodney  yendor  103760293  Netherlands   
Werleman, Urvin  NOVA  45229867  Aruba   
Werleman, Wandry  Matrix  53305016  Aruba   
Wernet, Gilberth  Mr. Fastioso  56460714  Netherlands   
Wernet, Harvey  Birdfly  42745134  Aruba   
Wernet, Lysander  just a little of me  40302943  Aruba   
Wernet, Reginald  koekie  97386413  Aruba   
Wester, Anette  Lady Amaretto  41745980
[pic]  Aruba   
Wester, Juan Carlos  100 kilos  46060165  Aruba   
Westerburger, Jasmine  Ocean  11126443  USA   
Westerburger, Rodney M.J.  GHOST  12345556
[pic]  Aruba   
Wever, Carina  «MÅg¥Ç:8:Fï$h»  49872707  Aruba   
Wever, David  the pretender  22156219  Netherlands   
Wever, Gina  Gi-ann  87011539  Netherlands   
Wever, Jair  uNderCoVeR  12126245  USA   
Wever, Jamil  CHiBaCo  16366522  Aruba   
Wever, John  speedybee  52251209  Aruba   
Wever, Jorge-Enrique  Mr.Chemical  21592071  Netherlands   
Wever, Jourainne  Sunflower  49231138
[pic]  Netherlands   
Wever, Mario  Mario64  29935402  USA   
Wever, Melissa  Melissa  485320605
[pic]  Aruba   
Wever, Muza  Muza  3944004  Netherlands   
Wever, Raul  *mushroom*  48096795  Aruba   
Wever, Robert  Robert  69992780
[pic] 


I have always wondered about the Werlemans in Aruba, have come across that last name many times in looking around.

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/TyersXXXX.gif?t=1216454880)

I haven't paid much attention to the sketch.

I believe your upper right picture is that of Edgar Maduro (the policeman that Hendrick Croes hit).  Hendrick Croes is old.  I don't remember what his nose looks like.

WOW.......ITA now that you put it right in my face!! I was so fixed on that sketch being Guido (lol) that I was in tunnel vision....but it does look like Jaime. ::MonkeyShocked::

This was sent to me by SAN this morning and may be totally a coincidence:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/07/18/2008-07-18_cops_say_lawyers_ran_midtown_brothel.html

Cops say lawyers ran midtown brothel
BY BARBARA ROSS, KRISTEN V. BROWN AND ALISON GENDAR
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

Saturday, July 19th 2008, 1:46 AM

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Louis Posner


Teams of vice cops swooped down and busted a posh midtown strip club that catered to stockbrokers and bankers - and featured porn stars who charged $5,000 for private trysts.

Prominent tax lawyer Louis Posner; his wife, Betty; and 19 others were arrested on a variety of prostitution and money-laundering charges at The Hot Lap Dance Club, which the couple ran out of a velvet-heavy loft, police said.

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I just did a zabasearch for Louis Posner, NY and it returned 8. plus 149 L Posners....the name might be a coincidence but habits might be hereditary.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas,thank you for bringing over the book translations. ::MonkeyCool::

Could this be the same aruba posner?This one is 53 years old and has a 20 year old son named Daniel.Maybe a brother/cousin to aruba's posner.

Don't know if this is the same Louis or not.

http://gocaribbean.about.com/od/topfiveattractions/gr/ArubaAloeStore.htm
Aruba Aloe Factory and Museum Tour

The humble aloe plant has an ambitious mission, as stated by Louis A. Posner, president of Aruba Aloe: “To make Aruba Aloe for Aruba, what Heineken is for The Netherlands and Coca Cola is for the United States of America.”

I think it's a different Louis Posner:  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter61.html#story8

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ARUBA ALOE FACTORY OPEN



The Posner family inaugurated its new Aruba Aloe Factory Friday night in the presence of the island’s entire business community. The patriarch’s contributions to the family fortunes were substantial. Oiky established a famed wine and spirits distributorship, Licores Aruba, which you probably know from your trips up and down the boulevard. In the old days Licores was the source of all big name-brands from fine rum, Bacardi to great beer, Amstel. In fat and lean years, the Posners delivered liquor to the hotels, carried them on credit through the off-season and forged excellent relationships with their clients/partners. Under the leadership of US educated son, Louis, the family diversified and added fast food to the mix, importing Wendy’s Hamburgers to the island and just a few years back taking over a failing Domino’s Pizza, revamping its image and truly upgrading everything from toppings to delivery.

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While one son went on to become our Minister of Health, Dr. Israel Posner, Louis, continued to scout new investment opportunities. Then a big purchase came along, Aruba Aloe was for grabs. Previously owned by the Eman family, the Emans were, and still are, politicians. They paid little attention to their promising business. The Posners made a bid, and won, taking the place over lock, stock and Koos Veil, the mad scientist in charge of cream/sunscreen/shampoo production. The new facility mid-plantation at the exact site of the historical Aloe fields is beautiful, carefully designed to become a popular tourist attraction. Besides, the products bearing the island’s name will surely add to its promotion, via sales in the US. Guests of honor at Friday’s grand opening party, our retired Prime Minister and original Aruba Aloe owner, Henny Eman; also his younger brother Mike Eman, a member of parliament on the opposition benches. Invited guests toured the museum and inspected the production floor from the wraparound, second floor viewing catwalk with windows.


http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter50.html

From 2001:

CHAMPIONS IS ONE YEAR OLD

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Burning the candle on both ends, locals & tourists partied the night away for Champion’s first anniversary. The celebration, nicely orchestrated by Kay Maduro featured Celebrity Bartenders and great Latin dance music.

Some of the best dancers on the floor were liquor tycoon Oiky Posner and his two fun loving sons, Aruba’s Minister of Public Health Dr. Israel Posner and the developer of Aruba Aloe, the light on his feet Luis Posner. Ligenne, the Marriott Marketing kid was the ballroom belle, sharing the spotlight with the Marriott accounting chicken heads. Showing off some fancy foot work, finance man Edsel Lopez, the Saladins from Frasa, the Theysens from Kenro Jewelers, plastic surgeon Dr. Hunt Riley with TV producer Tabita Fecunda, cradled in his arms.


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Klaas, you're just too good.  ::MonkeyDance::

Although I will say there is a resemblance between Israel Posner (Aruba) and Louis Posner (NY)  ::MonkeyWink::


Louis Posner (NY)
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I don't put much stock in the sketch, either; however, it also looks a little like Freddy to me.

These to Louis's look different to me.

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Sorry mean these two Isreal's.......

I think this is info on the newly busted NY Posner....Who's Who & member of Mensa....just brilliant.

http://www.lawfind.com/posner.htm

Klaas, he does resemble Israel P....

I thought top pic is Louis, bottom Israel....

Hmmmm I must just be confused. You could be right 2NJ  So in the following pic you have Louis (left) Oiky (center) and Israel (right)? Looks like Louis is wearing a beeper-maybe it is a cellphone.

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This was another article in today's NY Post.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07192008/news/regionalnews/lap_dance_bordello_120559.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2igVbPS9ac0

WOWZER!

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WAS LOUIS RUNNING SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN ARUBA? WHEN I READ THIS SNIPPET IT EERIELY REMINDED ME OF WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO NATALEE...


To get in, patrons had to be recommended by another member, or pass muster with the club's Internet screeners, cops said. There was a $50 cover charge plus a $20 membership fee. (Joran always got vip passes into any establishment)

Patrons then had to get past club security, "two monsters at the door downstairs," said a source familiar with the sizzling jiggle joint. (J2K said they handed her over to two security guards - was the choose-a-name bouncer also moonlighting as a club security guard?)

Besides half a dozen private bedrooms, the plush 7,000-foot loft had small cubicles patrons could rent for $300 for 15 minutes of fun - up from just $160 when the prostitution probe began a year ago, cops said. (loft = watchtower...?)

For $500 to $5,000 more, the high-rollers could retire to private bedrooms for more personalized attention, or arrange for sex "off-premises." (Was this the 'simple party at his house with the host? Was the "house" some penthouse rooms inside the HI?)

Patrons who ran low on cash could hit the loft's ATM for up to $900 per visit. (Didn't Paulus hit an ATM that night?...Deepak to Joran "...your own father")

A 13-page criminal complaint said undercover cops posing as men interested in throwing a bachelor party were told they could have a private room - with a bed - for $250 an hour, plus whatever they spent on the women. (Who was the guy on the Jewelry store video tape with Natalee? )

"The house dealer of cocaine" came by the club every night and one manager boasted to undercover cops, "Lou has a source in the NYPD payroll so he can know who's a cop," the complaint said.

Dancers called Posner "Daddy" and one employee told an undercover cop the women had to have sex with Posner if they wanted a job, court records said.

Cops said Posner laundered the sex profits through Voter March, a nonprofit voter registration organization he founded.

GOT MANY CHILLS READING THIS...THANKS FOR POSTING KLASS

Thanks Klaas
In the pic above with the father and 2 sons....which one in that pic is DR Israel?The pic of the DR by himself looks nothing like the other pics?