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Shizaru, I remember that being attributed to ArbeeJ, but I never remember Alana (Dash) saying that. She was on BOR. Can someone get the video? I have come to question a lot of Rhonda a/k/a ArbeeJ based on the Dayo Gould posts and the Scrux posts of ArbeeJ.

Love the flag Klaas!!

ldstlou... was this a recent VI trip???

and  Klaasend... love the fireworks...

AND the fireworks!!

It was Arbee who said it did NOT happen if I recall correctly.  At first they thought it had and later asking each kid, no one would say they actually say her shout anything.

Rerun on NOW!

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Good night San, I hope you are improving each day...

Well, that's just dandy!  I go to find my clothes and someone locks me in the old cage.  Figures.... :roll:

no years ago...maybeeee...9 years? Have a 6 year old now so we usually hit Florida and Disney World...or TN Smokey Mountains...isn't it funny how life changes after kids!!! haha But I do want to take him to the Bahamas next

I know you all have already seen this, but Carlos has admitted he has lied from the beginning? I had a few problems with his story from the beginning, but it smacks of being held in jail until he agrees with what ALE wants him to say.

What Rules?

BOC looking for his Pink Panther!!

Them's my Mountains, Idstlou!  :wink:

you know...it just never rang true to me...because I am pretty convinced of the 3am call from Natalee from Joran's house. Just didn't fit for me. Still VERY! possible he witnessed the disposal...maybe the next night?

I think Carlos the Colombian came in and told what he knew.  Under duress and pressure from ALE, he embellished the story because they pushed and pushed and pushed.  I do believe he saw something and he knows something and I do not believe his story is totally false, but rather that he was pushed into saying things he did not know, just to appease ALE and finally he gave up and said all was a lie, not just the parts he embellished to appease KJ or ALE.

agreed...

GOD'S COUNTRY!!! That is my HEAVAN on earth!! Go there 2 times a year..just love it there!! ANY season!!

Good night Monkeys... Summer hours at Chuch are early!!! :shock:

Good night, Mrs. Red.  Pray for all of us.  We all need it.  I will try to do the same, if I make it to the Lord's house or not tomorrow.

By the way Mrs. Red...honor to finally be chatting with you!! :oops:  :D

Borg did Gatlinburg to Cherokee week before last to the Casino! Hiked up to Clingmans Dome while I was at it!

Nite Mrs. Red! Good to see you! Sleep well and sweet dreams!

Again, I'm pretty sure that in his book Dave did say he found some kids who saw it happen.

Thank you, you are wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too kind...

Good nite Mrs Red and San :D

Tyler you know I will ... I never forget the Monkeys in my prayers!

CBB - good to see you too, looking forward to working more on the story...

WOW!!! doing better than me!!! I can barely make it up Clingman's Dome anymore!! haha older people rest less often than I!! haha I lost at the casino when I went...but remember when it was all machines and no real dealers...really much nicer now!! But WON when it was machines!! haha

Clonazepam=Klonopin=Clonopin where I come from.  It is very addictive, and the breakdown products stay in one's system a long time. I've seen intelligent people in drug rehab  that can barely put a sentence together after long-time usage.  It sometimes takes approximately one year for the long term effects of this drug (after long usage) on the nervous system to clear, and sometimes the people remain somewhat cognitively impaired.

It's highly possible that she was given something like this or Valium, but I think she was given GHB, aka liquid ecstacy.  The GHB makes people horny.

Not at all too kind!! You and your Hubby and Tom and Klaas...have created something truely magical here!! Thank you so much!!

Yeah? It's been a few years since I've been to Gatlinburg in the summer, but I usually make it to Pigeon Forge at least once. I once saw Dolly on Carson, talking about Dollywood. Johnny asked why she undertook a recreation theme park. She said that she just felt she owed the folks of Sevierville something, that she wanted to give something back...............AND that since the Smokey Mt. State Park was the most visited state park in the country, and her park was at the foothills of it, well, her Mama didn't "raise no fool".  :lol:

Carried over from last thread.... Quote: When that came out ... I though that Dompig was telling the truth ...sort of. but then if you looked at the picture of Natalee on the dance floor, she was not out of it. In the face of this how can one expect that anything that came out of Aruba was the truth. Natalee was trashed right from the beginning by Deepak. That is what I remember the most about this is the way she was talked about the the two, Joran and Deeapk when the parents came looking for her. She was portrayd as some worthless drunken girl who wandered off and found herself a crack house or another party to go to.

Yes, and dont forget Joran pounding his chest like King Kong, and smathering.."what do you want me to do?"....Punks!!... They did something to her, and saw her as disposable, no remorse... which is why we will NOT turn our heads, Eyes are on Aruba

UHHHHHHHHHH.............sorry. I do know it's a national, not a state park.  :oops:

Carlos the Columbian - click on the picture then click to play.  The quality is too poor to get a good look at his face:

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Did anyone expect it to take this long for a decision to come from the civil case judge? I admit, I didn't.

Dave claims that when Jacobs told him to go wait at CnC's for Natalee, that he also warned him to watch his drink as people put drugs in them. :shock:  :shock:

I am telling you...it's the upbringing!!! Takes a village and that is one rotten village!! I think of my younger brother and his friends...they stuck together!! but if someone stepped out of line...the others would knock them back in!! literally...because they KNEW that what each did...reflected on the group. If someone in my brother's group would have done this...they wouldn't need the cops!! he would have already been strung up!!! Of course my brother grew up with 4 sisters and RESPECTED!! women!! The whole darned village is just sewage!!!

I didn't remember that part...can you even fathom how Dave felt at that moment??!! Had already lost the battle!!

Night Mrs. Red,  I too am turning in for the night.  Someone hug Nemo for me.  :wink:

OK, I found that part in his book, and Dave wasn't told that firsthand.

However there had to be some sort of incident where Natalee shouted something, it doesn't make any sense that the suspects could have just made that up, because then how could Arbeej have heard of it on June 1 long before the suspects or their attorneys said anything about it publicly.  They may not be describing what happened entirely accurately but it must have some basis in fact.

blows my mind...you know...when I read FP and all the great posts..I wonder and worry of the judge is receiving all of the updates happening in Aruba...are we allowed to write...and to where?

Here is the O'Reilly segment with Alana Jordan.  The transcript and the video:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159764,00.html

I always found it strange that Arbeej was posting about Natalee's disappearance on Trip Advisor before Beth & Dave got to Aruba.

Nite Lala's!! Sleep tight!  :wink:

See, it is common Knowledge! We all know that you shouldnt let your drink unattended due to another bar patron etc.... but when the bartender does this to make a few bucks, that is criminal

Tylergal - I thought Arbeej's first post on TripAdvisor was May 31st?  That would have been the day after Beth got there.  Didn't Beth arrive the night of May 30th?

Perhaps, you are right, that she posted on May 31, but Beth got there in the late hours of May 30, early hours of May 31.  Maybe she wa just the town crier and I had a lot of respect for her until she made that contribution to the  Scrux gang about the Skeeters tape before she knew the facts.  Strange indeed.

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And it seems that almost everyone on Aruba still thinks that.
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In anticipation of Art Woods appearance on the Dana Pretzler radio show, I did look at Dave's book again and some of the things that Art said.
Aruba can do tests for blood typing. They did it on the mattress that was found and determined that it was dogs blood.  
Why did the blood / chocolate / cleaning fluid stain go to the Netherlands and come back not blood. Before they sent it, would they not have done the blood typing test ? The stain on the mattress never went anywhere.

I agree, never could figure out why Arbeej posted at Refugees.

Thanks, Klaas.  You are always jonnie-on-the-spot.

you know...there has been some negative posts about MB kids lying and covering for the way that they were drinking...but in college I went on spring break every year and drinking "responsibly" meant you partied, had fun...danced...and fell asleep before you made an a-- out of yourself!! haha vs the ones that puked and we found them somewhere the next morning not smelling too good!! I think she was saying that yes they were partying!! but no one got out of hand!! Totally understand!!

Makes one wonder

Guys, I've been under the weather, and it's time for tylenol and some sleep. Take care, and have a wonderful, peaceful nite! Hope you're smiling on your pillows!  :wink:   Nite!

one more post and then I really have to go paint...gotta put my pot of coffee to good use!! haha

I read somewhere..and not sure where that on a previous night...Natalee was tipsy and was escorted to her room by one of the MB boys...to me this rang true!! This is the way the friends I grew up with were...and you COULD expect an escort back tipsy w/out fear of being violated. So it seems to me..as though Natalee had a sense of security when she entered that car!! She assumed Joran would respect her and treat her the same way as her fellow MB friends did...problem was...Aruban boys were PREDATORS!!!

Nighty-night!!

Good night, CBB.  I hope you feel better soon.  We have been missing you.

Was that not a story on Refugees, not one from MB?

well...better close too...wide awake and might as well get some work done on the old rehab project!! Have a great 4th of July holiday all!! Will be saying my prayers for all of our soldiers...past and present!! $th of July is the anniversary of my Momma's death...we said she had to go out with a bang!! She died at 49 of cancer...this 4th will be 13 years!! Still miss her everyday!! Always a hard holiday for my family!! Love ya Momma!!

I have never gone to refugees site...hate the negative stuff!! LITERALLY never been there...it wasn't a negative post about the event...can't remember the context of where I read it...but I think more similar to my post...that she was used to being treated with respect and thus naive...just not remembering WHERE I read it.

I'm a Vegas person myself! I was disappointed in the Harrahs Cherokee casino!

well...good night all!

Hope you feel better Borg! Talk withyou later!

oops...lost my post...was saying nothing like Vegas but alot nicer than it was 10 years ago when even blackjack table was a machine!! We have casinos here in St louis...only go when out of towners come to visit..but there is NOTHING like Vegas...ok..goodnight for sure this time!!

definately not Vegas!! But much nicer now than 10 years ago!! Have casinos here in St Louis...I stay away!!  haha only go when out of towners come to visit...NOTHING like Vegas!!

keep losing my post!!!

I fixed it for you.  The post was so long you ended up posting before the end of the

Something from the last thread rings a bell with me. The TIMELINE.

The "experts" are all saying that it would take 2 hours + for her to die of a lethal overdose. OK, she's relatively fine at 1 AM. Joran and/or Deepak is home at 3 on the computer. So no overdose... according to Dr. Baden and the like. Supposedly this implies a death by other means.

IF Joran has never done anything like that before, any even CLOSE-to-normal human being does not disinterestedly get on a computer at 3 AM and download porno stuff or send e-mails immediately after killing another person.

In my opinion, this is a hint that either one of 2 things is true here:

1. Joran is of a psychotic nature so far beyond hope that we can't fathom how evil he really is (which admittedly is possible)

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2. SOMETHING ELSE took place which made Joran at least think he could reasonably wash his hands of her- close the books on her, in his mind- with only a limited degree of remorse or sense of guilt. Like as if he handed her off to someone else.

Thoughts?

Just watched the Fox repeat...

I wonder how many times the C&C bartenders were questioned? If at all.

Both Jossy and Dennis Jacobs seem to think drink spiking is prevelent.

Dompig has theorized the same. They would be on my short list.

This has always been my view...and right about then is when she snuck in the phone call...question is who did he hand her off to...my guess..Freddy!! Whatever happened happened after 3am..so not an overdose is she was able to put in a call!!

oops..may have missread your post...my assumption is she was still alive at this point.

Beth has NEVER explicitly said that Joran "KILLED" Natalee, in any public statement (or otherwise) that I have heard of. She always leaves the thing out there as "the 3 guys know what happened to her".

We have established the 3 AM phone call as an actual event, if I recall. I think nonesuche confirmed it in so many words and there was a strong indication that the family stood behind that fact.

That phone call to me virtually abolishes any idea that Joran killed Natalee by his own hand.

FWIW, I never HAVE believed Carlos the Columbian.

Well, I do have a theory about this but it could be libelous until I can get more information which I hope to do soon and when I do I will be happy to share it.

tyler...

We've been down this road before!  :wink:

E-mail me... please?

I am sorry.  I know but working on these things takes time and the more connections you find, the more you uncover.  It is like peeling away layers of skin on an onion.  I just cannot say anything.

Will you let us know how well the onion is peeling, from time to time?  :? Please  :wink:

Of course.

You must be deeper into the thing than you have gotten before. I really thought we had the keys to it previously but I still can't figure out WHY Natalee and the fallout around her would be so important to the people in question.

Everyone has to think in terms of what would be SO big that it would warrant all this unbelievable length of coverup and covert activity. This is NOT just a midnight swim or tryst gone bad. Never has been that simple.

Another thought to stir the pot before I head out...

If it was just fear of uncovering illicit activities like gambling or porno, the high rollers involved would serve Joran up as a sacrificial lamb and pin it on him to deflect attention from themselves. They would NOT protect Joran.

They are protecting THEMSELVES. They are covering up the fact that they somehow DIRECTLY had a hand in Natalee's disappearance/death, and that Joran is just a cog in the wheel.

One thing SB.  We have been told that Joran was home on his computer at 3-3:30 that night.  How do we know it was Joran?  Couldn't it have been Freddy or Paulus or someone else?

IF Freddy or Paulus is contacting Deepak (which appears to be what was done with the computer, among other things), we have a larger circle of perps. Which is EXACTLY what I am thinking. We have a system in place; if you will, a conspiracy.

It implies premeditation, planning, organization, etc. of a number of people.

I guess I put everyone to sleep!

i'm gonna check out for the night... see y'all tomorrow...

Sb, you did not put me to sleep. I am sending you an e-mail and I would like a respones, s'il vous plait.

Yes, but Melody has already told us Freddy was at Joran's house that night.

OK, I'll take a look... thanks!

Do be careful with whatever you uncover. I get a little worried that someone is going to put their hand in that fire a bit too much.

I have a feeling when that "onion" is unpeeled, that there is going to be some very powerful people in the middle, who really don't much care who they hurt.

Well, honestly, it's probably not a big person at all.  My thoughts are more mundane than that, as in small fish, not big fry.

I'm back!! Can I ask why you think the phone call eliminates Joran?

It's complicated, but I'll summarize by saying that the longer Natalee lived that night, the greater the likelihood that Joran had assistance in whatever happened to her at the end. If she lives till 3 or 4 AM, he almost HAS to have had someone else participating in some way. And yes, if Freddy is establishing an alibi at 3 AM while Joran is off doing... whatever... it was, there is a wider ring of people involved here.

The evidence, scarce as it is, SEEMS to indicate that Joran and Paulus can be tracked to the McD at 4 AM. By that time he either has killed and disposed of Natalee, or handed her off.  Unless he did something after the phone call, to her, all on his own. That call was supposed to have more like 3:15 AM actually, further tightening the timeline.

If I am recalling correctly, there was no verification from MB grads that Natalee shouted out "Aruba". The story went around the kids, though not from any original witness to said action. This was all over the internet. I believe the suspects learned of this and that is why it was included in their fabrication.


Argh! Oncall and awakened for an issue with my most histrionic and self-centered client!

My book is packed away. Shiz~ If you have the book handy, could you try to find that part and cite it here?

I believe that he is quite capable of having killed someone, whether accidently or semi-accidently or even purposely, and having the only thought to "bother" him is that he may get caught. Oops, broke that "toy". Better hide it so no one finds out!

No monkeys awake?  :cry:

I am awake but just barely, only staying up because my medication is due soon and if I go to sleep, I will dislike having to get up for it.  Darned old doctors.  They have some bad hours for medicine delivery. :lol:

Sorry I'm late I had a friend over and we were watching movies. I am just now catching up (sorry I missed all the music discussion, I love music and all the bands and songs ya'll talked about) I just flipped over to the news and heard this: "american soldiers accused of stalking, rape and murder....Israel and Palastine going at it...." i cant handle all that tonight. i might take out a gun and shoot my new TV :evil:
think I'll watch "Ray" and enjoy the music...."if you dont want you dont have to get in trouble" :)

Don't shoot the messenger.  You just bought it. :wink:

ok now i see this photo of Natalee...only hours before....i am so sad now. and so MAD. JUST BRINGS IT ALL BACK HOME. damn them to hell! justice will be served i believe this with every fiber of my being!!!!!!

Heading back to bed. I hate being oncall. I dunno which drives me more nutz~ the actual crises or the dumb reasons that we get calls.

uh oh. what did i do? dont shoot me the drunkard on wine either :lol:
(psst...we had some champage too....) :oops:  :wink:  :lol:

remember i have been drinking :wink: but do u mean i just bought into the MSM crap??? is that what you're saying? you know me better than that. i just mean i cant handle this crap from the MSM tonight....if thats what you meant??????????

No, don't you shoot your new TV.  Didn't you just get it? :lol: Or did you forget after a glass of wine? :lol:  :lol:

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Well, I am up taking meds, too, all us old folk falling apart at once in this heat!

Spooky, she meant you just bought the TV and not to shoot your new TV  Nothing about MSM!!  LOL

That photo taken two hours before Natalee disappeared just broke my heart!

Back to bed at least it is cool now.

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:lol: yes i am "buzzed" sorry  :lol:
and now i am sad over this new pic of Natalee... she was FINE!! until these little shit heads got her.

so i need to turn the lights out?

Can the H/T’s sue Carlos-n-Charlies and the Excelsior Casino?  Wouldn’t bringing the action at least give them an opportunity to people on the ground in Aruba and do a proper investigation?

This all just seems too simple to me and should have been solved quickly, if there was any serious investigation undertaken by the proper authorities in Aruba.

Joran and friends enter a familiar bar not long before closing and single out their prey, which is probably the first girl in the place willing to talk to them for more than five minutes.  He lures his victim away from her crowd by talking her into going to a less crowed bar on the other side of the joint where he probably knows the bartender.  He gives the bartender a nod and slips him an extra twenty for two shots of 151.  Minutes later Natalee feels light-headed and dizzy.  Joran assures her it is just from the strong drink and offers to walk her outside to get fresh air and walk off the effect.

Natalee had enough to drink that she was not being as cautious as she normally would have been and she was probably under the impression that Joran was also staying at the Holiday Inn.  She agrees to walk out of the bar with the creep and he leads her toward the back parking lot.  He then convinces her to sit down in the car, or he pushes her into it and they drive away.

We do not know for certain what she said as they passed by a group of her friends.  We have heard different accounts and the Dutch re-enactment has too many flaws to be believable.  Maybe Joran did tell Deepak to circle the bar a few times to reassure Natalee and give the drug more time to take effect.  That is uncertain, but at some point Natalee began to drift into unconsciousness while being groped by the big Dutch kid.

They did not go to the lighthouse, or to the beach.  They went straight to Joran’s apartment and she was carried into the place.  That is where she began “to talk crazy” and that is when Joran became concerned about waking his dear old dad.  Then “something bad happened” to Natalee and that was probably an effort to keep her quiet.  The big jerk either hit her, knocked her down and she hit her head causing a mortal wound, or he grabbed her and while trying to muffle her screams he broke her neck.

That is basically what I think happened up to that time and caused her death, but the mystery begins after that tragedy.  What happened next?  How would these three characters react to such a thing?  What would be their first step?

Can we think like these three guys and determine a logical progression based upon the theory I have put forth?

Good morning friends....leaving soon....going to the big city....!  Save my place..... :)

Hi, monkeys! Busy next few days for this primate. Going to two family get togethers, one today and one on Tuesday.  Gonna start cleaning the new place. Silly me volunteered to deliver meds Tuesday morning so no one would have to have their holiday broken up (when will I ever learn?). Debating about whether to just stay there or return home most nights. The latter would be a waste of time and gasoline, but there is nothing like sleeping in one's own bed.  :? Then there is the cat. Freak him out by taking him with us or freak him out by having us gone several days?  :?

Good morning All,


Easy,
That scenario seems highly possible.  I have considered head injury especially to the top that could not be accounted for in a fall, suffocation/strangulation but never a broken neck before.  Joran is certainly large enough to inflict that kind of injury as well.  

For whatever their reasons Aruba made the decision not to investigate and subsequently they will not prosecute these known suspects.  My latest thoughts on that are that certain ones who assisted in the cover up fear their own part of it will become known.  Some of their refusal to do their job has to be illegal in any system.  Maybe they think if there is no evidence of a crime, they cannot be held responsible for not investigating/prosecuting.  No crime/no one derelict of duty?

Hi!!  Anything happen on the Lineup lastnight?

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Terry,
Beth provided a new photo of Natalee taken just a couple of hours before she disappeared and she appears perfectly sober and like she was not even drinking at all to me.  Clear eyes, nice smile with friends and very much in control.   :( Klaas managed to take a photo of her TV screen so she posted in here last night, the new photo.

Jossy said it was public knowledge that at certain bars in Aruba you could just give the bartender  or his helper $20 and he would drug a drink.  Not just C&C but other bars as well.

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Morning Terry.

What Anna said.

Thongs good today?

Anna,

I guess just another validation that she was drugged by the PIMPS..  The sad thing is the rats are all escaping the sinking island now that they have been shown to the world..  Well have a good day..

BTGirl,

Its just sad that Natalee had no reason to be looking for these PIMPS.. She was with her friends and just having a good time.. She had no idea that there were these PIMPS looking for some meat..

Yes, it is sad. And tragic and abominable and a travesty.

Gotta hit the road. I'll probably come back home this evening.

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Also Jossy said he believed Natalee was drugged as did beth and Dave.  Jossy said he tends to believe parts of what the Columbian witness being detained said.  Does not kow why he would get involved if lying from the beginning, would not make sense.  Cable was found where he said the body was taken out into the water.  Beth tends to wonder in part of what he said was true.  Dave seems to totally discount all of what the witness says.

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The couple that were beaten and robbed in their hotel room on another island are suing the resort for millions.  I would think the same would apply to Natalee and they could sue at least C&C but there are no dram laws there.  Probably not in Mexico where the company is incorporated either?  They can sell booze to an obviously intoxicated person and get away with it.  In the case of Natalee, why did the cops not go there and confiscate all the booze to check for drugs, etc.?

They knew what they would find.  Dennis Jacobs already told Dave to keep his drink covered because they would put drugs in it.  So they knew and did nothing.  Seems ALE and prosecution are the ones needing sued so badly.  

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You know maybe JQK is waiting to file against CnC's until the judge's ruling... but Aruba has made it abudantly clear that they could care less about justice in this case.

As Hat says... Drink deep Karin you earned it....

Welcome back, you have been missed. :)

Well I'm going to look back and see if I can find the picture of Natalee that was shown on Lineup..  Bye ...

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Right, Mrs. Red, Would look bad to be suing everybody at once.  
Technically Natalee didn't disappear from the HI so guess they are off the hook as well.  How about the Exelsior Casino for that is where the predator spotted her?  

There should be some way to hold some of these adults responsible.

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There seems to be a discussion at Refugees whether Natalee was wearing earrings that night.  They are questioning whether she's wearing earring in the photo that was shown last night on TV.  I've compared all 3 photos we've seen from that night and it's clear to me Natalee was wearing long dangle earrings:

This is from the photo we saw last night:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/NataleePriorCnCEarrings.jpg)

This is from the photo, also prior to CnC that night where Natalee is sitting on Ruth's lap:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/NataleePriorCnCEarrings2.jpg)

This is from the photo of Natalee dancing on the CnC stage that night:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/natcncearrings.jpg)


GOODMORNING ALL!

Terry - here it is - the photo from last night:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/Natalee052905.jpg)

yes....
and the front page today
       ROCKS

I think there is always a strategy to keep opening doors in the event that one closes...makes sense... and I also think that CnC's is more involved than just being the bar... remember Steve Croes got a job there as the dj... and Tito's brother is the PR manager.... and we all know how Tito viewed what happened.... why would they hire SC's ... seems like a payoff IMO

I will tell Red you liked it!!!

I don't know about those refugees.  They concentrate on little insignificant things and slander Beth Twitty every chance they are allowed to use a keyboard.  I'm sure they will turn the ear rings into some strange torture device Beth forced Natalee to wear.

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Klaas,
I clearly see the earrings.  Had a little bit of discussion with Kermit at BFN for I didnt think they looked like something Natalee would wear dancing as they would move too much but Kermie quickly corrected me and straightened me out on that, lol!   :D And he was right, they are clearly visible.   I was porjecting my feelings about drop earrings like that--hate them dancing or even bending over.   :roll: But the are there for sure, no doubt about that.  In ALL the photos, too.

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great points.
i had never heard of dram laws.......thx :lol:

Warning Sarcasm:


You know, earrings are the mark of the devil.....  :roll: and any woman being seen wearing shoulder dusters could not possibly be drinking responsibly....

I think it's what you get used to... I used to only wear very simple earrings... but I love Chandlier earrings... and now that I wear them.. I don't really notice that they are there... but at first, they were a little bothersome...

Indeed, it is clear to me that she has earrings on while dancing at C&C's. Somewhere in my travels from board to board over the past year, I do remember the 'earrings or no earrings' on the night in question being of topic before now...I would like to say it was at refugees site, but can't really remember. Anyway....at the time, the discussion I believe was about whether or not she was wearing the long dangles at C&C's on that Sunday night and they all concluded from the photo's she was not.....hence, from what THEY perceived at the time was that some of the other photo's released w/ Nat in that infamous green top were taken on a different day. It has always been clear to me she was wearing earrings all that day and night. It is weird they (Refs) are discussing this again....

But Mrs, she'd have to be behaving responsibly or she'd beat herself silly with them.   :lol:

That girl was not even the alleged "tipsy" in the photo from Beth last night.  Certainly not drinking 151 Rum all day and did not consume a lethal amount of alcohol.  Unless she did it after the photo was taken in an hour or two which would be strange.  Dompig lied.  He is a very big, fat person so guess that explains it.  I would still like to make him eat that photo!  

In that interview he gave that was just about how Natalee was seen with drugs (yeah, right!) his talking about what Beth thought of HIM and how he had been all over the world but Beth considered him so simple, etc. just made me ill.  Was he angry Beth did not find him attractive as a man or what was he saying, anyway?  So if the mother is not in love with the Chief of Polis, they refuse to investigate?  I don't understand their system.  But it makes me want to barf just the same.

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Dayum........I am evil and I guess I have been evil since I was about 15, lol.

thanks for explaining the relevence.... I had not seen that discussion... but I don't go to Refugees... ever... LOL..... (no point in having an intelligent discussion with an unarmed victim.)

  :shock: :o  :o  :o  :shock:
i have ones like that!!!!!!!!

Good morning monkeyfaces!
The picture of Natalee that was shown last night sure seems to present a very sober girl to me......

There is so much for me to do to prepare for the trip we are leaving on next weekend and preparations so that things go smoothly with my workers that I just don't even know where to begin!So......I came here instead!!!!!! :wink:

The earrings could be evidence or items kept by the suspect as a souvenier.

I don't 'discuss' anything there, lol....I just read and like EASY posted back a while ago.....PLEASE, Will someoneeeee help me STOP reading there!! It does make me ill, but I can't stop...I have tried.

Morning Monkeys...

I see we have 18 questions for Mr. Wood.  I hope he can provide at least some answers to them.

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FOM,
I'm not sure why they are called Dram Laws but must be something about the amount of booze a bartender can sell to one person in a given amount of time, like so many drams?  

I know the bar can certainly be sued in this country.  Note that is what Joey Tacopina is doing for his other client who was murdered by that bouncer!  He is suing the licensing board, City and everybody and their brother then saying the opposite about Natalee.  That guy is phony and a real hypocrite!

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Good morning Cubbee...

and FOM and Nut44... I am in good company then, because I wear them too... LOL

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I am drinking my wonderful coffee from Mexico my kids brought back to me.  It says 100% organic and BIRD FRIENDLY.   :shock:   I'm not sure how friendly I want my coffee to be with any birds.

Maybe Widget will come on later and see this and explain.

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and it makes me very ill.... I wonder how a family could hire him after all he has said about Natalee..... I mean they only have a zillion other lawyers to hire...

JMO....

Yeah, I read over there when things are slow just to see what crazy BS they are preaching next.  I think all those boards will seem self-destruct anyway.  There is a lot of in-fighting and they have started outing each other on other boards.

There is no way that many mixed nuts can maintain any order.  The next topic could set anyone of them off and create a meltdown.

Yes. OF I am looking forward to it. I got thu last time, but before the program. looked at my phone bill, it was less than a buck for the call.

When Dompig did that interview alot of people most likely believed his bs. I almost did. what an aspwipe he is ! !

Heh, heh, well you and the Mrs have never had a pup rip them out before I can see.  I might wear ones half that long but prolly a little shorter even than that but the pup factor does enter into it as well.  They seem to love those and glasses for some reason.   :? I think they look nice, however.

There is even another photo of Natalee in that style earrings that Kermit showed to me to prove that indeed she was fond of that particular style.  I was convinced totally by him.  She had at least one other pair of the very long dangle kind.

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I believe Easywriter said that Dana will not be taking calls durring the show but right after it.  My suggestion is that Dana be given the list of questions so he can present them to Art Wood.  It doesn't sound like we will be speaking directly with Art Wood.

Morning Mrs.Red!!! I wear them too! Always have.

Now will that monkey who is familiar with the Bentonville Arkansas area e-mail me please? I have a few questions and have lost your e-mail addy.

Got an email from Pretzer yesterday and he said he would only take calls after the interview.  So, it might be good to send him the questions early.

nice...hey oldfart :lol:
these r to be found where??
tia

morning all
 :wink:

lol We must be on the same wave length this morning!

FOM
Here ya go ... http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=10

Anna,
I didn't think of the puppy factor....  :shock:  :shock:

TeeHee.... not to worry Anna! Those little birdies won't drink much! Speaking of Widgey and his coffee, got my mouth watering! It was most definitely primo stuff!

I agree.  Red has been hitting 'em out of the park lately.  Batting 1000 on these front pages.

Gotta Run and try to get some stuff done

Klaasend / Easy
I have sent Dana the link address for our questions... do you think we still need to copy and mail them to him?

do not want to flood his e-mail address with duplicates ??? :?

Wasn't it... though....I would love,love to have more... man did we get spoiled or what????

and Anna, I have to wonder if it doesn't refer to no pesticides or something...

These dangly earrings and all the ethnic jewelry made of faux stones and wire seem to be the rage the past two years, so she was just making a fashion statement.   :wink:

Easywriter - ha ha :lol:  :lol:

thanks... I am quite proud of him...

Smart woman, that Cubbeegirl. :lol:

Truth of the matter, however, is that Joe has inserted himself for money like so many others along the way who pretend to be friends of one side or the other, but are in it for the money.  May they all get jobs and real lives and leave Natalee's memory alone, for those that are in it for reward money or using AHATA or Beth as their source of income.

Anyone else get that baby hippo email that is being passed around?  That is kinda cool.  :)

Yes, we are proud to even know him ( well, you know what I mean.)To me it seems that more and more ppl are getting angrier and angrier.
I just wish that the picture of Natalee had been shown right after AspWipe Dompig did his interview / fiction / pr / damage control / it was all Natalee's fault program.   :evil:  :evil:

Is this something the refugees started?

Anna, I would think "bird friendly" means not being sprayed with DDT.  Most of the crops grown in Mexico are sprayed with DDT. Of course, the countries that we trade with do not have to abide by any agreement regards DDT or the other chemicals that we banned decades ago, so as long as we are buying their imported "cheap" products, unless as your coffee stated it is "bird friendly," then we are consuming more DDT than we did when the government was spraying our homes and crops with it.  

We become more internationally friendly and less "health conscious," with our buying habits.

Many, many years ago I used to get stuff from Mexico, but it wasn't coffee  :wink:

SO true Tyler,  I try and hit the local farmer's market every weekend... all of it supports local farmers and they are all organic...

and I think it's being found to be very important that we eat more organically.... all the pesticides, and hormones, etc. added just can't be good...

 :shock:  :shock:

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There is a long post in the comments on Red's article about date rape drugs.  I sent it to Klaas as am not sure if it is good to post it here or not so she can decide.  I don't think you can make a link to a certain comment or at least I don't know how.  Maybe Klaas will or just post the whole comment as it is yet another stunner.

But it is mostly about Michael Posner and his act not being so clean of late as we have been led to believe.   :roll:

More lies, Aruba???

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Ah, but was it BIRD FRIENDLY??

I remember some of that stuff being sprayed with Paraquat which made people very ill.  Have to be careful in all things I guess.    :wink:

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Yep.  I'm changing my name to "Clueless"...would someone please post who ArbeeJ and Dayo are?  TIA.  And good morning monkeys.  BBL to check for a response.  Great photos and links, Klaas.  Thank you!

Be sure to read this warning from the Alabama Seciruties and Exchange Commission:

http://tinyurl.com/z3kfh

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I'm right with you. I keep trying to layer Freddy in, but am unsure where exactly to put him. The recorded van conversation tells me that Freddy is a key player in this, along with JK2.
Beth agrees with the scenario too. She has said many times that they know Natalee was taken to Joran's apt. but what happened after, is what they want to find out.

Did anyone ever think he was clean ? Ever. He just moved his act to where the climate was more how you say ... friendly ?

Great post, Anna.

Well, some of our newspaper reporters referred to them (Posners) as upstanding Aruban partners, er uh, I mean citizens.

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A while back someone asked me about how I knew of suicides of two young males in Aruba that seem suspicious to me, think it may have been Louise.  Well, I ran across this while looking for something else this morning.  My filing system leaves a lot to be desired but I never guessed I would be needing things over a year later and so did not even label most of them.  Now I can't find anything.

Anyway, this is about them and is the thread where their strange deaths were discussed:


Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:23 pm    Post subject:    
 
Here's one Jaci  

This is from poster expat from back in June...

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=23574#23574
good morning everyone...

I have been following this forum for the past couple of weeks now and have gained much insight from reading here....many thanks.

For those of you who may be interested, I would like to share an experience my husband and I had in Aruba some three years ago...we were on one of our many trips to Aruba and were staying at LaCabana resort. Our time there was during the first anniversary of 9/11, so there were not many tourists on the island at the time.

We were staying in a top floor unit, located in the back of the resort, facing the highway. One morning as we were preparing to start our day and heading to our car in the parking lot below, we were shocked to see that a young Aruban male had deliberately jumped to his death from the roof of the resort above us. Due to polis and rescue personnel, we delayed in leaving as planned.

As troubling as we felt this event was at the time, we were even more surprised to learn that a similar suicide had occurred two weeks earlier at the Hyatt....again some young Aruban male had lept to his death from this resort.

Little or no mention was made of the suicide in the local newspapers during our days to follow in Aruba.......we wondered why it got so little attention. In talking to the locals there and mentioning this most troubling of events, we were told at that time that chances were, both guys were in serious trouble with drug dealers on the islands,,,,,columbians, most likely, and that these folks are ruthless.....these two, chances are, leapt to their deaths to spare their immediate families of any repercussions from these drug lords....
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Tidycat, do you remember Arlee, ArbeeJ or Rhonda who was Dash/Alana's mother, who once posted here, and for some reason unbeknownst to me, decided to post with Roger at Scrux and later on moved to RWV and Refugees.  Her daughter was said to have been tutored by Natalee, in order that she would pass her calculus classes and she was said to be one of the last or maybe the last MB kids who saw Natalee, and who asked her if she was ok, and Natalee responded that she was and was "going back with them.." and she assumed she meant "them" to be another group of MB kids.

About Dayo Gould, another puzzle in this rapidly expanding jigsaw.

We were first told by a trusted Aruban poster that it wasn't even the same Michael Posner and that this one was born on the island.   :shock: Then every one of them just about has spoken of his high character and status as an upstanding member of the community.

So, yes, Kat Gram, I did think he was clean.  I am a bit naive and tend to try to think the best of people sometimes.   :?  :oops:

Guess you can tell I'm catching up..................just got to the earring discussion.  Yes, she does have the same earrings in all photos, as Klaas has established. I can't help but laugh. If anyone is as big a fan of big earrings as I am, check out "Tabra". They are all hand made, and gorgeous. I've been collecting them for years.

http://www.siouxeagle.com/Tabra/Tabra%20Earrings/tabra_earrings.htm

Here is the post Anna was referring to:

grande Says:
July 2nd, 2006 at 2:35 am
“On September 20 2005, MSNBCtelevision news journalist Rita Cosby interviewed an FBI agent who identified Posner as a convicted felon with alleged organized crime ties. Posner’s casino, the Excelsior, has been implicated in the Natalee Holloway disappearance.”

Michael is also the owner of Brickel Bay Beach Club in Aruba, as well as, multiple online gambling sites affiliated with the Excelsior Casino. Also registered in the same office is Aruba Aloe with Luis Posner being a registered officer. The Posner’s also have business interests in Curacao and the Aruba Free Zone along with Jossy Mansur and Co. “Curaçao’s major container port is St. Annabaai. The major food wholesalers are Consales, J.P. Maal, Posner’s Agencies, and C. Winkel and Zomen”

Early on in the investigation, Jossy Mansur essentially called Mike Posner out for what he is, a lifelong criminal affiliated with the infamous Chicago Outfit. Jossy noted that Mike was released from prison on parole in 1992. http://i3.tinypic.com/16ggwuh.jpg. The motives for this article are questionable at minimum.

At some point during the investigation, Mike stated through his attorney that he has been clean for 15 years. According to the New York Department of Justice Michael has been anything but clean. “In January, federal prosecutors in New York issued an 88-count indictment charging 17 defendants with operating an illegal gambling business that, over the last four years, brokered more than $200 million in bets on horse racing and other sporting events.”

Based on the Federal Indictment multiple simulcast affiliates have cut the Excelsior off including the Lincoln Park Track and the Birmingham track.

In a simple public search of the Florida Secretary of State Corporate Division you will see that Luis Posner registered Aruba Aloe in Florida under the name ‘Aruba Aloe of America’ http://i5.tinypic.com/16giepz.jpg, with a principal business address at XXX Brickell Avenue Suite XXXX in Miami. Also at XXX Brickell Avenue Suite XXXX you will find a business by the name of PLAINVIEW, INC. registered with a Perdro Martin as an officer.

County Clerk records outline the various transactions the Mansur’s and Posner’s have made in the Miami as well Plantation, Florida.

Scared Monkeys administration confirmed the origin of the Shango posts were from Florida. I cannot confirm that, however it is rather ironic to me that the Aruba Tourism Authority, Aruba Air and apparently Curacao is now in Plantation Florida > http://i5.tinypic.com/16gkg79.jpg along with Luis/Mike/Walter/Oiky/Israel/Ron Posner (Rufus NV) and presumably the rest of the ABC crew. You will find little if any formal documents regarding Michael in the states without a Freedom of Information act request. I would suspect that is based on his past and potentially current litigation and criminal activity. Perhaps Michael is a silent partner and the source of the seed capital also known as dirty money, for the familia.

Shango, your reference ‘All secrets are hidden in Plainview’, does this suggest that the Posner’s know more than they have lead on ? Perhaps this was a reference to the short surveillance video provided by the Excelsior or perhaps something more sinister.

In any case, I firmly believe Michael William Posner knows more than he has stated publicly.


REGARDING PLANTATION FLORIDA - >

http://tinyurl.com/z3kfh

Thomas E. Twitty, Jr., Bowron, Latta & Wasden, P.C.
Mobile, Alabama Practicing in Securities


Note:  I'm not sure about the Thomas E. Twitty reference above

Hi monkeys, this is just a flyby. A comment on the earrings:

Many women - and high school girls - make jewelry these days. I think NH's look like they might have been made for her, maybe by a friend. (If NH was into making them, I think we probaby would have heard by now about it?)

Both of my daughters make jewelry for themselves and each other. Exact length, material, stone, etc. they want ... and no two pair alike.

Thomas E. Twitty is a securities attorney out of Mobile.

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Off to finish my work so I can listen in tonight.  Dr Rosenthal on TV said sunscreen does NOT block out the most harmful rays of the sun, only the ones that cause sunburn!  He said only zinc oxide or special sunblockers get the bad rays that lead to melanoma and other forms of skin cancer.  That is the white stuff life guards put on their noses or you can get a whole tube of it for a dollar or two as diaper rash ointment.  Thing is, who is going to smear that all over??  And get on clothing.   :shock: Very hard to remove but he said it would block it all.  

I am sure it would but your appearance would be very startling to say the least.  It is hard to apply, too.  

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LOL.  I was going to say that my DIL who lives in Bham makes jewelry like that in her spare time, or did until her baby was born last June.  She also sells to stores in the Seaside and Dunes of Destin area and I believe I saw the top that Natalee was wearing on the Seaside website, which I posted here once.  Lots of people in MB have summer homes at Seaside and Watercolor.

Anna, are you saying it would have the opposite effect of a pheremone?

I suppose I will wait relentlesly in the hopes of a judges decision in NY. I have to say that IF tacojoe reads any forums at all (which I doubt)...that it would be this one and not Refugees. IF he does read in THAT place, hopefully he will see by the "Topics' in general, that he would deem them all as freaks. He is a good lawyer, no matter what some say about him and he does know what is right and wrong in any case.....He may not always be on the RIGHT side, in our opinions but.....just reading through the topics there (At Refs) will give the normal human being a sense of reality. They are whacked...and they all have the nerve to call us "conspiracy theorist", when in fact they are the biggest conspiracy theorists of all. You don't even have to read the posts.....just scan through the topics.....it is pathetic.  He (Taco) has to know that those people are whacked.

So, put diaper rash ointment on the nose ?
I just use sunscreen for kids.. 40 SPF.
My old skin doctor told me to stay out of the sun. This was after he removed several pre cancerous things from my face. That was 18 years ago. I used to love to bake in the sun. Bad thing to do.
I go to the waterslides and the beach once in a while but am all smeared up with goo goo. If I miss a spot with the goo goo, it just tuns red and
itchy. I get sunscreen moisturizer and use it all year. The suns rays off the SNOW ( yes snow... it is 85 degrees here now )  in the winter is also very damaging. The ozone layer is different and more damaging rays come thru.

I think Taco depends on Medley to keep him in the loop.  Everytime there is something on TV, she frantically emails Joe to let him know.  Give me a freaking break.

I go there once in a while also and am very shocked at the version of reality over there. It's like an alternate universe. Glenda is Julia according to most. She still believes that Natalee ran away and had help from the MB students. Plus that Beth is under investigation. But there are never any " sources " that any one can check. They hide behind niks and say the most disturbing and vile things. I don't know who runs Refugees. Or what their reason for existing is. Frank thought they were Canadians, but they must be imports. There are alot of Dutch words and little sayings so that must be the nationality of many of them. The only one that I find disturbing is Glenda because Julia has that rag in Aruba.

how about the panites that panty boy found... did we ever see a picture of them... I know it was said that they were old lady underwear but do we know that for a fact and that is just another piece of evidence that is put in the where is it now file??

Good morning.  Another hot one in Atlanta.  Humid too.  

Going to be a pool day for me.  Missed the Line-Up last nite so I appreciate the recap, pictures, etc.

I think I am headed to the beach... or something... glorious day here... (won't last long...LOL)

I will talk to y'all later...

keep the faith!!

Yes, here is a picture of them:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/pantyboy3.jpg)

:D Hope everyone has a splendid July 4th Weekend!  :D

Long, dangly earrings like that can be easily torn from the ears in a struggle.  They are something that a perpetrator could easily overlook as missing and left behind at the scene.

Just another reason they should have searched the entire VDS compound - every nook and cranny.

And Anita's jewelry box??   :roll:

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I lean toward the apt not being the crime scene.  Hard to make it fit with phone/computer timeline.  Why does Joran tell Deepak "I'm home" if Deepak had already dropped him off at home.  And in the polis van conversation Joran accuses 2K of harming Nat, that doesn't make any sense unless 2K knew it would have been possible for them to harm Natalee without Joran's knowledge.  Hard to do that in his apt.  They may have stopped by the apt but plan to have sex with her there was aborted because she wasn't passed out, so they let her out near her hotel with Joran instead.  Then Joran assaulted and killed her on the beach.

thanks Klaasend... does that look like old lady underwear the size of Kansas to you?  anyone?  makes me think that Anita did see them at her house.... and how she knew what they looked like.... that is something that has always bothered me... and that evidence got discounted really quickly.... but where exactly did we hear that they were old underwear that would be "granny panties"?

Off to the pool.

See ya  later!

Shiz... but it was confirmed by Joran's statements that he wasn't ever at the beach... wasn't it?

Why thank you, Ono!   :D I am trying but the weather is just a bit much for me  99 degrees with 30% humidity and a UV factor of10+ Extreme has me mostly housebound.   :? At least watermelons abound and are everywhere, ripe and free around here.  Am almost through cooking and it will have to last for the whole weekend, too.  I have not been able to convince my ancient mother to join us yet but am hoping she will for dinner.  

I hope you have a nice 4th as well.  I know I do appreciate my country and our system more than ever after watching closely that of another country.  This is the system I want with open courts and procedures and juries instead of smarmy friends of the suspect judges.
 :roll:

Amen Anna... and can you send me some watermelon... I love, love it! my favorite fruit!

I suppose the NY Judge is having a wonderful Holiday Weekend with her family and friends right about now...this is just so out of control I can barely even speak of it....probably a good thing I can't, cause what I would like to say wouldn't be prudent.

No, all three of them say Joran and Natalee were on the beach.  They don't agree on where they took Natalee before the beach (originally all 3 said lighthouse, now Joran says they drove by his home), or how Joran got home from the beach, but they all agree he was there.

I hope she hasn't already decided to rule against the family, if so it is really cruel to drag this out.

My feeling was that the longer it takes the more likely she is to rule for the plaintiffs, but I know nothing about legal matters.   Someone who does said that is usually the way it works tho.

Zinc oxide is much better and cheaper, but will not draw members of the opposite sex like a magnet, as it is not very attractive, looks like you have big globs of cotton pasted on you here and there.

Oh, Anna, I just had a late lunch and the vision of her in that brown see-thru blouse with the white bra and those dangly earrings was just a bit more than my less than tin-lined stomach could take. :lol:

No it is about this baby hippo that was rescued after the Tsunami and taken to an animal preserve.  It adopted a hundred year old turtle as its mom.  The pictures are kinda neat. :)

Hotel, motel, beach, apartment, etc.  She disappeared at the hands of the perverted VDS gang.  I still believe it was HI and Mike Posner made sure the videos were "disappeared".  Heck, if you can make a body disappear, a whole human being, imagine what you can do with a video.  No big deal.  Where is the footage that we know in our own minds was taken of Natalee.  Were they being paid by someone to take these videos?  Were these girls doing this under the pretence of modeling for a magazine, what about a bridal magazine?

:lol:  :lol:   We had just been talking about the Refugees above and I was not sure they had for once done something humorous, unwittingly, you know. :lol:  :lol:

I have seen them and they are cute.  Can we get somebody who works very hard and rarely says no to us, to post it.  You think. :oops:    Please!

Not sure what happened to my post.....but what I said was....that Pix was enugh to make even my dog vomit...

I am only a paralegal...but that is what I see...

I will try to post it.  If it is too big Klaas can zap it, I hope.

I can't make it work.  :(

Easy, you can go to www.tinypic.com and downsize it to reasonable size per your request.

You've got email, Klaas.

The Evidence:
Phone calls
Bone – found on 7-6-05 in area of Marriott hotel
Arm bones - 8-15-05 it is reported that the still interconnected human bones of a woman’s forearm and hand has been found washed-up on the VENEZUELA Las Piedras beach, near the town Punto Fijo (the southwest side of the VENEZELA peninsula nearest to the west coast of ARUBA, about 18 miles away).
Fabric – found in Arikok park on _______
Security Shirt – found 6-6-06 in Colony area of SE Aruba
The bloody mattress found 6-5-05 in SE Aruba
Sunglasses - found 6-6-06 in Colony area of SE Aruba
Plastic bits – found bt Fred Golba near location where belt was found
Duct tape with blond hairs – found in Arikok Park on 7-17-05
Natalee’s toothbrush – analyzed & found to have male DNA on it
DNA – ruled on _______ that J2K’s DNA was illegally obtained
The cars
Panties – polka-dotted underwear found near huts on _________ by Albert Vrojlek
Aru-bay videos
Paulus’s letter – arrived in September, revealed to public and sent to DFI on 12-9-05
K-Swiss tennis shoe(s) – size 14 – bloody one found during search of Joran’s apartment
Aru-Bay Videos - ?

At my advanced  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: age 50 + I am not the vain thing I used to be !  I've seen ppl with NOSE GUARDS made out of paper and attached to the sunglasses ? . Sort of looks like some strange birdies.
I just hate it when I get a big sun rash that lasts for a month.
My mum was allergic to the sun later in her life and I think I have the same thing. We use to go to the beach here where it was strutting time on the boardwalk. All the bodybuilder guys and models would be there. same thing now, just their kids. ! !  Thinking about it now is really funny ! ! But I did look HOT ! !  Or, thought I did ! ! I would not leave my house unless every hair was in place, everything matched and makeup galore ! ! Glad I got over that !  :roll:  :roll:

Just peeking in for a second or two..
antother site had this year + old site Fox News item posted
June 15 2005.   http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html
Nice to re-read old info at times
"Charles Rafini, the Aruban teen who says he found the underwear and condoms in the brush"

JMO


Have a good day Monkeys.... :)

I sent the hippo to Klaas.  Maybe she can put it in the lounge.  It is sorta inspirational.

 

I agree with you that it really is.  I trust she will when she gets her chores done.  I know she must be working on a project at the time.

Just got caught up reading!  Thanks Anna!
And thanks to Klass for the new Natalee photo and to Jacque for transcribing The Lineup..I missed it last night.

Yes..more than ever before, I treasure and appreciate what a wonderful country America is. This case has really brought it home to me. I truly pity those living elsewhere...

Ono, I wish you a great Fourth.  You are a nice person whose gestures deserve to be repaid and although our young men and women in combat and non-combat service do that for all of us, I am wishing you right back a Happy Fourth as well as all our young men and women in uniform and all the monkeys.

 :D Thank you Tyler! :D

Easy - the pictures didn't show up in your email??  That happens sometimes.  Can you simply forward it to me from whoever sent it to you??  It might work that way.  Then I can copy and post it in the Monkey Lounge.

Tylergal - Yes, working on a project for Red and trying to clean bathrooms at the same time, lol  :lol:

Tylergal - If you have that Hippo email could you send it to me.  The one Easy sent didn't work, the pictures were only red X's.  Thanks!

Unfortunately I deleted it and the person who sent it to me is out of town. :cry:

Easy, send it to yourself after deleting any "forward, forward, forward people."  Open it up and save it.  Once you have saved it, check properties and see if you can post it that way.

OT
Thanks so much for this link! I know where I am getting my mom in laws next birthday gift`she will be 90 and still drives and get around. (Yikes, I know!) btw, I have a new grandbaby :D

Off Topic, but new Front page post on the Eve of the 4th of July

Superman Returns Movie released … Hollywood Will Just Never Get it …

http://tinyurl.com/hxvm3

Superman’s slogan has always been …  “Truth, Justice, and the American Way”. Not any more. A special thanks to Hollywood and the makers of this film to changing it to “Truth, Justice…all that stuff” as it is released on the weekend we celebrate our INDEPENDENCE.

“Superman Returns”: Is Superman still American?

Ever since artist Joe Shuster and writer Jerry Siegel created the granddaddy of all comic book icons in 1932, Superman has fought valiantly to preserve “truth, justice and the American way.” Whether kicking Nazi ass on the radio in the ’40s or wrapping himself in the Stars and Stripes on TV during the Cold War or even rescuing the White House’s flag as his final feat in “Superman II,” the Krypton-born, Smallville-raised Ubermensch always has been steeped in unmistakable U.S. symbolism.

Hi Monkey's

So have we found out whether or not this 60 hague rule would apply
to the New York Case??
We are getting pretty close to that 60 day mark.

Congratulations.  One of my grandbabies had his first birthday last Sunday, another one is having his 8th birthday party today and another one next Sunday will have his 8th birthday party.  Unfortunately, I had to sit out this birthday party as it is a swimming party and old women on antibiotics are not allowed out in the sun, so DH left with gift in hand.

Great post, Red.  Perhaps they could rename it "Superman Neutered."

Remember when Superman was just SUPER?

I honestly just cannot stomach the BS that comes out of Hollywood anymore. Just shut up and make a movie. America is so sick and tired of the subliminal and not so subliminal agenda you have.

Whats next ...

Wonder Woman will be a lipstick lesbian.
Robin a juvenile delinquent.
Aqua-man a deep-seeded fear of water.
Captain America and Al Qaeda spy
Spiderman creating crimes just so he can solve them to impress the girl.

It is sad these people feel the need to tear down America, yet they think we will actually spend our $'s on their nonsense.

Has Hollywood learned nothing from Aruba? Who is more oblivious?

Hi guys,

I've been on the phone for HOURS trying to get my router bridged and installed...to no avail  :cry:

Can someone point me in the direction of the new photo of Natalee and what went on last night during the line up? I've got a sick baby and need to get off this computer :?

TIA!!

New photo of Natalee - Beth is saying that as you can see, this photo was taken about 2 hours prior to going to CnC and Natalee does not look like she's drunk or out of control:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/Natalee052905.jpg)

Mishy - here is Jacqueline's transcription of the LineUp:

THE LINE UP

7-1-06

Jossy:


carlos..

They have beenholding him in custody for over two months. In the last week or so he confessed that he has been lying from the beginning.

I still believe part of his story may be true.

Ya know what I think is crdible is that if there was a crime commited, the disposal of the body. He thinks that he saw the suspect swim out with the body. That part may be the truth.

You would not even need a boat.....you could walk out a good distance before the currents got strong.

I do believe part of his story, i still do, i can't imagine why he would come out in the end that he was lying all the time.

Karin did believe the story as did the police, they acted on it. they went with divers....and they did find some evidence of some kind of weights that were used to weigh down something, a body.

Now, I think they don't believe him at all cause he admitted he was lying.

Any theory of date rape drug.

It is public knowledge that in certain bars in aruba, if you slip a bartender 20 bucks....this happnens in many places. it is public knowledge.

I am convinced that Natalee was drugged.

Beth:

and Dave:

Beth: It's hard for us to have any kind of judgement. ya know it's hard to tell as jossy said, i think some parts could be true, but we really can't make any judgement on info he gave.

Dave: not familiar with carlos....I pretty much dismissed him.

Beth: new photo of natalee.....for our viewers...the time frame that evening.....

Well what we have is a pic of natalee where she is very in control a couple of hours before she met joran. she is very much in control.

then she is out of control completely once she meets up with them.

It just goes with, something we have all been suspicous of. that joran slipped her something in a drink.

Dave: I do believe that, yes.

The photo, and the video......

she appears smiling and relaxed with her friend.

This info matches up with the description of her friends. you won't find a photo of natalee when she was not with a friend. she was so with her group.

it amazes me how the van dersloot kid got her away from her group.

Dave: I think the civil case will be our last shot.

We could not get the police to follow up.

To the public...please call hotline if you have any info on natalee...

quick question...

what area was being searched or "re-enactment of a search" when someone picked up something that appears to part of Natalee's top/blouse ??

Boca Tortuga, near where they found the duct tape with long blonde hair.  Boca Tortuga is in Arikok National Park on the east side of the island.

Klaasend
TY...
I did a Google and came up with it  :oops:  
I was wanting it for a post in the thread on ? for Art Wood.   I'm hoping for at least 20  and do hope Dana checks it ??

SeeeYaaaaaaaaaaByeeeeeeeeeeeee

Mishy, I hope your baby is well soon.  I wish you a good Fourth.  I don't speak Hindu and I had a hard time getting my router fixed also.

Okay, I am outta here.  Time for the antibiotics and a nap.  Will be back when Dana is on with Art.

Hello Monkeys.  Can someone tell me where to find the Chicago videos now?

Hi Wench - they are still here on Google:

http://tinyurl.com/8wcrq

Thank you :)

.....
This is sort of ot.
Does anyone know who MedleyRelay aka Jan is ?
I went over to scrux and was looking for something and read the thread about : Did the the behaviour of the HT's cause Joran to lie ?
They seem to have decided that NO was the correct answer, but along the way, Jug's behaviour was called into question because he was only the Step Father. There was something insinuated that I don't like that came from that evil gossip mongering woman.
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She should show her real face and real name and defend this crapola of hers. That goes for Glenda and the other vile Sidalee. ?
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She/ They know no more about any of these people than I do.
And to come out with this crap borders on criminal behaviour. In fact, it is criminal and libelous. I know all about free speech, but some ppl
push the envelope don't they ?
We used to have a gossipy bunch of hags that lived in my neighbourhood when I was a kid. Karma took care of them and their families.
Just letting off steam. Those women over there are beyond the pale.

Hi y'all...hope everyone is enjoying their weekend...

Someone was asking about sun screen..so thought y'all might be interested in the only sunscreen that really works...but you can only buy it in Canada or on the internet.

My family loves the beach. We spend a lot of time in the sun. While Mexoryl might technically be an illegal sunscreen ... I'm more worried about those UVAs than I am the FDA ...


Mexoryl
Mexoryl SX is a sunscreen developed and patented by L'Oréal. While conventional sunscreens protect against UVB (ultraviolet B) sunlight, Mexoryl SX is designed to protect against UVA (ultraviolet A) sunlight. UVB exposure is what causes sunburn and is most commonly associated with squamous and basal cell skin cancers. UVA reaches further into the skin, and can cause the deadliest form of skin cancer, melanoma. L'Oréal has incorporated Mexoryl SX in their suncare products since 1993 ... alas, not those products sold (legally) in the United States.

The fancy name for Mexoryl is Terephythalylidene Dicamphor Sulfonic Acid. While products containing Mexoryl are still not available over-the-counter here in the states, they are freely available over the Internet.

Canada Pharmacy sells two lines of sunscreen with Mexoryl: L'Oréal's Ombrelle and La Roche-Posay's Anthelios. Ombrelle is available in SPF 15 (spray and lotion), SPF 30, SPF 45, and SPF 60 cream. Their SPF 30 Extreme Lotion is designed for sporting activities. Anthelios is available in both sprays and creams and in a variety of formulations, including SPF 30, SPF 40, SPF 45, and SPF 60.

Vichy's Capital Soleil line contains Mexoryl XL ... a different type of Mexoryl.

I don't know specifically who medleyrelay is either, but she is an avid VDS supporter.  However, she spews much false information.  Don't know if you heard her when she called in to the Dana Pretzer C-Band program a few weeks ago, but was trying to convince everyone that the PVDS house and grounds were thoroughy searched by the police/ALE (which everyone but her knows to not be true).

She was so disruptive and non-supportive on BFN, that she was banned.

Thank you. I am in Canada and can get some right down the street at Shoppers Drugs. I forgot about that, had read about it. I passed on something yesterday b/s of the sun.

..I did hear her.
Glad she was banned.
Every once in a while something makes my blood boil, but that woman ! !
Karma gonna get her !  Maybe when she goes to Aruba something bad will happen to her ! !

[quote="Kat_Gram
Thank you. I am in Canada and can get some right down the street at Shoppers Drugs. I forgot about that, had read about it. I passed on something yesterday b/s of the sun.[/quote]

Glad to be of some help, Kat_Gram.  Might have to get you to get me a barrel of it!  :wink:  I am curious how much it costs there though.

I just recently read that Medley does book reviews for Amazon...and she is the one that gave Dave's book a poor review.  It said that she had done over 200 reviews...

Yep, Medleyrelay is a real "gem" :roll:  :wink:

Hi Klaasend....did you see where she has several names she posts under and has a different location for each....Little Rock, Las Vegas, and Pittsburgh.  Busy lil bee.

Yes, I saw that.  Here's what I can tell you I know.  One of the sites she posted at was Topix.net.  At that forum you have to sign up to post.  That forum chooses the location for you based on your IP location.  That is where Medleyrelay had an address of Little Rock.  Based on that, I would say she lives somewhere near Little Rock unless she was "masking" her IP.

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Beach,
So good to see you!  Thanks for that information on the sunblocker.

Bet it is not solid white like zinc oxide.  Like you, I would like to have a barrel.  I am going to look for it online but I wonder if Customs would seize it or anything?   :shock: And I wonder why it is not available in this country as we have stronger UV rays than Canada so that makes no sense.  At noon here they are at the top of the chart--Extreme.  Those of us who have to work outside at least some have no choice but to be exposed to some extent.

I saw a gathering in my grocery store one day of about seven people all comparing their skin cancer problems!  Something needs to be done!

JMO,
Anna

C Band Talk Radio - Dana Pretzer - Sunday 07/02/06
10-11pm Eastern

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This Sunday Dana's guest will be Art Wood

http://bruinfan.sasktelwebsite.net/

Scroll down to Click here for a 16k Media Player Stream

Call in after the show at: 1-780-669-0518

Beachy, thank you for that information.  I will pass this on to my DILs who worry about their sons outside and put all kinds of sunscreen on them.  One of the DIL's has a history of melanoma in her first-degree relatives so I know she would be more than willing to pay whatever it cost for her family.

Re: Art Wood.  Supposedly along with the polis van tscript he obtained the police file including the suspect statements and FBI 302s.  So why doesn't he give the suspect statements to SM or BFN?  Why only give them to the NE?  There are probably a lot of good clues in those statements that ALE has overlooked, let some of the smart people on the pro-family sites have a look at them.  

And why doesn't he give the FBI 302s to the fmaily?  I assume he hasn't because if he had the family should know for a fact such things as whether there actually was any MB kid who shouted at her to get out of the car, and recently Dave was saying he didn't know that.

The other crazys aren't even crazy about that one! lol

Will he start early this week?  let's get him to go ahead and start the show!

Glad to be of some help, Kat_Gram.  Might have to get you to get me a barrel of it!  :wink:  I am curious how much it costs there though.[/quote]
I am going to check it out. I emailed your post to myself( memory thing ) . Like I said, I passed on something yesterday becasue the sun was way too hot for me, but I can't hide all summer. I have nice skin
except when it is red and yuckky. My SIL ( Icelandic Boy ) has the same issues with the sun and skin. I keep nagging him about the sun, but he keeps playing outside  ! !!

I think Wendy Murphy is on C-Band talking about BOR right now and about sex offenders.

I for sure will look in the drugstore for it. Someome mentioned customs. I think if it is labeled a " gift " they do not usually stick their noses in.

He is playing an old show right now.

She is a " tough broad ' who does not pull any punches.
Put her in a room with our ususal suspects and they would confess ! !
I see her on NG. I like her very much. Ok, gotta listen !  ! !  BYEEEE

Ombrelle L'Oreal SPF 30 Sunscreen MEXORYL 120ml, 4oz
http://www.sell.com/2213PV

Dateline on NBC is on with Missing Persons Case.  Tara Grinstead Case will be coming up. (this Dateline may be a re-run)

Imette St Guilian case is on now.

BABY HIPPO - Story in the Monkey Lounge  :lol:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=35

(http://bestsmileys.com/fireworks/3.gif)

 Hey peoples.. Just stopping by to wish everyone a happy and safe holiday.

Hi Angie, we miss you. :D

Hi Angie - you guys planning anything special?

 Sannnnnnnnnnnnnn...  How you be feeling?? Great to see you!

God Bless Natalee,,,,,,  Wherever She Is......................

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060702/ap_on_re_us/new_jersey_budget

OT but of interest ....

THis is not good.........

Casino's ordered to close this Wednesday.

ANGELINA BALLERINA, A BIG HELLO FROM JACQUELINA!

 Not really... neighbors been setting off fireworks for the last few days.
I was off today.. housework :(
 Gotta work tomorrow and Tuesday I open and close :(
You doing anything special Klaas?

  Hey JACKIE~!!!!!!!!!!!  I hope your BOO BOO is feeling much better!!

You have to work on the 4th???  That sucks!

Yes, we have a family get together at our house every 4th.  Everyone comes over for BBQ and to watch the fireworks.  :lol:

Thanks, Angie......... :lol:

  YEP.. ANG always gets stuck on the holidays..  LOL
Enjoy your BBQ and fireworks~~!!  Sounds like fun!!

Angie - don't forget that Art Wood will be on Dana Pretzer's show tonight.

Hi Monkeys,

Hi Angie you have been missed. I was going to send you an email but could not find your email addy. I guess I should have sent it through the message thingy.

Sam

He had Joe Houston on. BOL and Wendy on next RE: Jessica's Law.

Can someone find a link to:

The JQK filing icluding the MB kid affadavits
The Taco filing incluing the 302s

or e-mail them to me if anyone has them saved  

The link provided for the other day for the JQK filing has gone dead, I'm just going to print them out

 TY Klaas for the reminder!!!  :)

meant Bill O'Rielley.
joe said that beth was a " phenominal individual "

Hi Sam...  Thanks!!   You can email me anytime.. my SN here@aol.com
Hope all is well with you!

Ain't that story kinda sweet.....

That's a wonderful story, Easy. I'm so glad you shared it with us. :D

It really is Easy - thanks for sending it to me.  Sorry it took so long to post but I had to save all 7 of the pictures to photobucket for it to work.  :wink:

It sure is!  I got that same email not long ago... :)

Hi MOM.. !!

 I gotta get going now.. have a few things to do. Catch up with you guys in a bit.

Hey BT!  Gonna listen to Dana tonight?

Thank you, Klaas, for all the efforts.  It is a nice story and reminds me of the cats that my dog raised for our momma kitty, the dog having lost her litter the day before.  Dog thought the kitties were hers and the kitties thought so too.  

Yes, we humans let a lot of differences stand in the way of trying to get along, one with the other, and do we not see the big picture, that we are all in this together.  Our fight should not be about our selfish needs or desires, but about saving civilization for those who will follow us in this walk.  Our time here is such a twinkling of the eye in the major events of the universe and we wrap ourselves in glory and consider our importance as if it really existed, when we would be so much more fruitful if we worked together to cirumvent the prejudices and forces that wish to destroy us all.  Children are born without prejudice and without vanity, and develop it along the way from that which is outside the control of that innocent young baby.  This is certainly a wonderful story of how that which needed nurturing was drawn to that which wished to nurture, bonding and making their experience an example for all to follow.

Grow where you are planted.  Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  Be a force for good, not for malice.

Hey BT, I'll be heading down that freaking mountain of yours next Wednesday, going down for the grandson's birthday.

Don't take the tram.....!!!   :D

Oh yes. I'm looking forward to it! Dana's shows are way better than what we get on TV most of the time. :wink:

Awww..I'm sorry CP. I hope the weather is good for you. It's a little less scary if it's clear and dry.

My husband is going this time, so I will just close my eyes.

Hopefully, no fog this time.

Yeah and he can say what he is thinking unlike those on TV.  He is always polite, but you can tell he has an opinion.

Yep. You're right - that's what makes it so good.

DANA - just posted this in the front page area:

The interview with Art starts at 10pm est, I will get things going soon, and take some calls during the pre game show for those interested. Call in number before and after the interview is 306-842-7884

Dana
www.cbandtalk.com

He's joking about having 9 pages of questions for Art, lolol  :lol:

Cool!  He is on air now!  You guys start calling!

Thanks Easy and klaas for the hippo story, loved it.

So far...
1.  Dana has given the phone number.
2.  Indicated they will not cover items that would jeapardize the investigation.
3.  They will cover a lot of questions that MSM doesn't cover.
4.  He will let anyone on with questions as long as they are polite.

Now playing music...


BTW, good evening monkeys...

9 pages of questions ... LOL

I guess some of you have been busy monkeys

Hiya Sleuth!

Dana:

"Aruban bungling" that has caused this family so much hurt...it is beyond words.

Art Wood - who has indepth knowledge of the investigation, or lack there of.

Repeated earlier comment that he has 9 pages submitted questions...

You can call in NOW....

Hi, Easy, Klaas, BT, Angie, Sleuth, CP.  Everyone ready with a phone call, a question.  Where's old F*rt, who has been quite busy working on some great questions.

Hi Gang! Hope everyone is having a great 4th weekend.  Waiting for Dana's show - should be a great one.  Just tuned in.

Hi Tyler, I'm listening.  I have a rose question for you, but will ask later.

That's fine.  Glad to help anytime I can.

He's talking about Joran being served by Bo in NY.  Says some people don't understand the intimidation factor. Sometimes the emotions get in the way.  

You want to make sure they get the message.  Dana doesn't have a problem with the way Bo served Joran.

Hey Tyler, BTW, did you send me something today?

I haven't received anything and didn't want you to think I was ignoring you since you wanted a response.

:oops:   I did.  Oooh, you don't think I have Medley Relay's address instead of yours and it went to her. :lol:

I will try sending it again. K?

Who was that first caller from SM, couldn't understand.

:oops:  We don't want no Top Secret stuff falling into MedleyRelay's hands now, do we?

I noticed someone mentioned the 60-day thing regarding the judge. I am HOPING that she is doing that exact thing... stalling for the benefit of the H/T family!

Missed the name too CP. But she sure asked the right questions.

Where are the charges for the laws broken?

Frijole, my DIL tried your recipe for the casserole this afternoon.  She did not bring me any  :shock:  but will report back to me on how she liked it.  

Sb, I agree with you.  I hope the 60-day period is in favor of Natalee's family.

Thank you igsigs.  Probably missed the name because I started to give him my real name  :wink:

I didn't see The Big Hammer online.  As he has been one of my most respected investigative monkeys forever, I wanted to make sure his questions were brought forward.  He gets the credit for the questions  :wink:

I missed it too but I recognized the voice from past shows.  Could it be Crazy Baby Borg?

I sure hope she liked it.  It is Czech and very popular with the folks in this part of the midwest.  Never seen it anywhere else!

Thanks, Sleuth.  I know Big Hammer appreciates your doing that.  It was also a question many of us wanted answered.

Great job Sleuth!

Neither did I. :)   My only regret is that he didn't get an opportunity to punch his lights out.

Not CBB, bu you are right -  I have to call and chat with Dana on a regular basis  :wink:

MAN-OH-MAN, if that 60-day thing works, it will prove once and for all how BRILLIANT John Kelly is.

Would any of us have thought of something like that? He must have KNOWN there was a provision like that and he moved to take advantage.

I was worried about the judge, but now I'm thinking she MAY be in our corner.

 :lol:   lmao San

Mike from Mobile.  Could Art name one person who has interferred with the investigation?

Only one!  ?????   8)

Hey Easy - was that you???

I hope so too SB.  I don't see any reason for her to be taking this long and I'm hoping it's the 60 day thing.

Good job Sleuth and was that Easy?

I wish Joran HAD taken a swing at Bo.

If he had done that, he would be OURS now. Or whatever would have been left of him after Bo got through with him, would be.  :wink:

MAKE MY DAY... lol

Yeah, I have a cold.  :(

Dang Easy, that cold gave you a southern accent!  :lol:

I can't hear the C-Net thing live, but for some reason I'm not sure that "Mike" question is meant to be supportive of the family. I think that may be a challenge to Art Wood.

Thanks Klaas! Great pic of Nat!!

I'll have to read what you guys are talking about now and what Art is saying later...

I can't believe Carlos has recanted his entire story!! :evil:

You done good!

Nawwwwwwwwwwwww! lol

Or WAS THAT Easy?

If so, good job.

I love San.  She always says what I am thinking.  :lol:

No problem with you voice, Easy - I understood you.  I had a problem myself - I had been munching on an ice cube (bad habit, I know) and wasn't expecting him to answer on the first ring - I about choked on the ice cube and instead of spitting it out, I swallowed it.  I was fighting it the whole time I was talking  :lol:

Yes, our Easy is thinking with an objective in mind.  

Sorry, Easy, I could tell you have a "summer cold."  That does make even a Southerner have difficulty talking on air. :wink:

That's funny!  I didn't hear ANY southern accent!

 8)

Wow, this interview is already great.... Great details re Carlos from Art.

Art talked to Carlos twice in Aruba and didn't believe his story at all.  He said basically he though his story was 100% bogus.

Art Wood

Always thought that Carlos' story was 100% bogus.

Art believes the case was sabotaged from within.

Yep.

Oh, this is a great interview!

"Sabotaged from WITHIN!!!!"   :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

The case was sabotaged from within.

Way to go Art for finally saying it ..

Professionally sabotaged from within ...

Art Wood

Case was proffesionaly sabotaged.

Art believes this case was sabotaged from within.  He thinks it was professionally sabotaged.

Art says this case was professionally sabotaged from within.  A high ranking Aruban officer came to him last summer and said Natalee was being held somewhere in Aruba.  He took him there and said he told him this because he wanted Art to do some surveillance there.  He said this is wrong.  The police should be checking this out, not them.  Very strange situation.

Boy did Greta, Rita and the others in MSM screw up by now setting this up.

Art says he thinks there are at least 5 people involved in the crime and/or coverup.  WOW

Art says AT LEAST 5 people involved in the dissapearance and coverup.  AT LEAST.

At leave five people involved in the disappearance.

Art Wood

At least 5 people involved in cover-up.

Art says this case can be solved, but someone needs to talk.  Natalee's family needs to put pressure on the FBI in Alabama, after Aruba closes the case, to investigate it.  More than likely it would be solved if someone will talk.  At least five people involved in case who could talk.  They have allies in Aruba who are working to help them solve the case.  Jossy is one of them pressuring the authorities to continue looking for the truth.

He is saying that Beth should pursue through the US attorney in Birmingham because of treaty that allows us to file under violation of civil rights of American citizen.  I had heard this on Fox very early on, that this case could actually be tried in Alabama via this approach.  Bring the sporter to Alabama and let him meet some real athletes, some good ol' boys, maybe a few linebackers.

Art talking about Wiever... so the film made him nervous??

Guido was dealing poker the night Natalee and Joran were in the Casino.

Hmmmm

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SB
Don't you have a Windows Media Player?  Click on the line that says something like 16 bit for it to play on that.  Or Quicktime will also play it.
If you have audio, you should be able to hear it.

There are some credible witnesses out there who have not been a position to tell the story yet.  Puzzle is spread out across the island.  About a month ago, they had GVC in prison in Holland, dealer from casino where Joran and Natalee met.  He's one of Joran's friends.  He was discovered in June last year by Art and needed pursued.  He was dealing the night Joran met Natalee.  This guy was very nervouswhen questioned by police regarding the film of poker and bj table.  We're trying to determine if it was PVDS at the bj table, but I wouldn't count that so much as evidence.  Joran was there and met Natalee.  Joran came to the table after PVDS went home.  If that is PVDS iit is important, as it shows they are both lying about meeting Natalee.

Art said Joran said he came to the poker table after Paulus went home.  If that is indeed Paulus at the table they are both lying.

Art Brings up a great point here about the suspect statements ... none were in the files until their arrest.

Dennis Jacobs and Van der Stratten ... the height of credibility.

Art Wood

Van der Straaten told people that Joran confessed.

Pages of the interrigations missing.  Sounds like the pages missing have to do with the confession that had been reported on the 11th.

What about the belt?  Jossy brings up a good point that some of the evidence is missing.  We were led to believe the boys were interviewed on May 30 and 31 and Dennis Jacobs wasgoing to interview them again on the first.  But none of these statement are in the files.  Then the family is told the investigation is a a murder investigation on Jun 10.  Jan Van der Stratten was best friends with PVDS.  He interviewed Joran on June 9 and people were told by him that Joran confessed and were going to be led to the body.  But on the 15th only part of that interview is in the case files.  But it's only a short report.  Pages and pages of the interrogations are missing.  Jacobs was a narc detective, hand picked to lead investigation--has a lot of bizarre behavior.  He is either inept or has personally sabotaged the case

Dennis Jacobs was hand picked by the chief to be in charge of the investigation.

I think Art Woods has been wanting to talk about this for a long long time.  He seems relieved to share this.  Poor guy.

There are reasons why he searched the area where he found the belt.  A caller saw activity on the night that Natalee disappeared.

Why doesn't someone ask the girl(s) who were at the table with Natalee if that was Paulus there?  The friend who spoke for the first time on Natalee's anniversary said on TV there was an older man there.  Has anyone ever asked her if it was Paulus?

Great choice for the show. Thanks to whoever made it happen.

Art said it was a distinctive belt.  He delieved the belt to Roy Tromp and he said man this is identical.

BELT - they had witnesses that saw vehicles at the Dunes and Lighthouse area that night.  Good reason to search that area.  So he was kicking around in the sand and found the belt.  Police said to bring it in in the morning.

He started going through the photo files and saw the belt.  Distinctive belt, elongated and square holes.  Very long belt.  

Turned it over to ALE Roy Tromp.  Looked identical to Roy Tromp.  They determined the belt was too old.  They didn't do anything with the belt.

The belt.  We have witnesses who led Art to the area of the dunes.  Where Dave saw the guy with the trunk open who slammed it and sped away and he thought this strange.  This was where a caller had seen activitiy the night she disappeared.  Wood found the belt there.  He put it in his car trunk.  He called cops and they said bring it in in the morning.  He went back and hooked up with Eduardo and they were going to interview some people.  He thought he had seen the belt before.  He remembered seeing Joran and the kid choking with the belt.  Art recognized it cuz of the elongated squared holes.  It's discolored and wide and brown leather, very long.  When he turned it over to police, the lead invest. was Roy Trump and he gave it to him.  He took a statement and said it was identical and said this is important.  Then Art learned they decided the belt was too old to be important and was too long to be Joran's.  Art told them no one ever claimed it was worn by Joran or that it was new.  It was a prop Joran had used.  Art tried to get it back through an attorney, but it was gone.  He wanted it tested--there might have been blood or dna or anything on it.

The poker dealer, Guido, was in jail, and Art found him last summer, should have been pursued.  He was actually dealing poker the night that Joran met Natalee in the casino and employees that Art interviewed said Guido was very nervous.  He was dealing at poker and blackjack tables where Joran first met Natalee.

Paulus vanderSloot says he never met Natalee, but Art agrees that the man at the BJ table certainly looks like Paulus but certainly cannot count that so much as evidence but clear that Joran was there and admits it.

Joran says he came to the table after Paulus went off.  If that is Paulus at that table, that is extremely important, that tells that both he and his son are lying to the authorities.

Initially it may not be direct evidence as far as murder/kidnap but it is evidence inasmuch as obstruction and possible corruption in Aruba that is leading to all this information.

Let's get to the belt.  Dana is looking at the pictures of Joran with the blet which looks like the one Art found.  Jossy has mentioned evidence is missing.

Art says Jossy brought up a good point and Dave was led to believe early on in investigation, approximately June 1, his first day on the island, Dennis Jacobs led Dave to believe the boys were interviewed and that Dennis was going to take statements in a day or two but no statements show up in any files until they are arrested on June 10.  On June 10 family was told this is a murder invetigation and led them to believe someone confessed and someone in the government released that info and that they were being led to the body but we never knew that, and if they found the body, it would be hard to cover up.

JVDStratten best friends with Paulus, and resigned from the case.  He interviewed Joran on 9 June and people were told him that JOran confessed and they were going to be led to the body, but the post on 13th shows that only part of the interview was presented to the case and this is where Joran indicates Deepak raped and killed Natalee, buried her near the fisherman's hut, but it appears page after page of this are missing.

There are a lot of interrogations we question.  Dennis Jacobs, lead investigator , picked by the chief was a narcotics investigator, never worked a missing persons case, his behavior is bizarre and may have sabotaged the case.

About the belt, there are reasons why I searched for the belt  We had witnesses that led us to the area who saw vehicles to this area, and led me to search and believe it or not, this is where Dave saw the police car that was acting strangely with the trunk open/closed and Dave felt it strange.  Dave was in Mississippi at that time.  Gave Art a description of the area and was the same area a caller had seen activity the night she disappeared.  Art found the belt, put it in his car and was going to take to ALE the next morning, and they told him to bring it in the next day.  He went back and hooked up with Eduardo for interviewing some people that night.  Later that night, he was thinking about the belt and he went through the newspaper and photo file and saw Joran from the website, choking the young man with this belt.  I am saying, "that is the belt.  This is a distinctive belt with elongated, square holes."  Has a lock on it, discolored in that it has perspiration and wear, very wide, thick, good leather belt, very long. When I turned over to police, the lead (chief people) Roy Trump took the belt, Art gave statement.  He said this is identical and is important.  Art felt it important.  Later he found out the belt was not sent to Holland, it was too old, it had been in the sand too long.  Art said no one claimed Joran wore the belt, he is choking the kid with the belt.  He only claimed this was the belt in the picture.

He went through an attorney to try to get the belt back to send to private lab, and he has no idea what happened to belt.  Run around, could be blood or DNA in the belt.  Does not know where it is.  With computer enhancement, you could tell if it is the same belt, based on striation, etc.  It is possible to identify his fingerprints with enhancement.

This is fascinating!

The day Art turned the belt in, Fred Golba had organized a search in the Lighthouse area where they found the belt.  All of a sudden police were crawling all over the place.  The police hadn't been active at all in the 2 previous months.

That's just one example of how they blew it.  He found the belt late in July, first of August.  He never saw the polis get excited about anything.  The searches were mostly conducted by TES or Holloway-Twitty's.  The night i turned in the belt we organized a serch of that area --Fred Golba organized the search with dogs after the sun went down because it was so hot.  Search started 6:30 and went well into the night.  The police were crawling all over the place. Jacobs and Prosecutor and others showed up on their day off.  They acted like it was extremely significant.

Found belt late July/August and he had never seen the police get excited about searching for anything.  Searches after June 3 were being conducted mostly by TES & friends of the H-T family.  He never saw police actively participate in any search.  The day he turned belt in, organized search, he had Fred Golba on the island, Fred organized the search to take place after 6:30 p.m. because it was hot and he wanted his dogs to be work when it was cooler.  They suggested waiting until 6:30.  He searched well into the night.  There were police crawling all over the place, showed up on their days off.  Dennis Jacobs on his day off, showed up, and they are making sure, the prosecutor, this is a first he thought, but they did not think the belt was significant but at the same time act like it is extremely significant.  [/code]

I am getting so pissed listening to this... it's worse than I even imagined.

All the police showed up, even on their days off ... Guess they wanted the OVERTIME ...

What a fiasco ... Art Wood is a great interview

Art said he had never sean the police get excited about anything.  The day that he turned the belt in they organized the search near the dune and Fred Golba organized a search.  There were police crawling all over the place and even the police on their day off (Dennis Jacobs).  They never before attended any search until they found the belt.

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Jossy had reason to believe that possibly DNA evidence was found in Joran's apartment.

here we go with cleaning fluid and chocolate...

He went through an attorney to try to get the belt back to send to private lab, and he has no idea what happened to belt. Run around, could be blood or DNA in the belt. Does not know where it is. With computer enhancement, you could tell if it is the same belt, based on striation, etc. It is possible to identify his fingerprints with enhancement.

I always thought the belt was going to break this open.

After dismissing the belt so casually and not testing it, convinced me that the fix was in, and the cover up in full gear.

Evening Monkeys!

WOW  ... led to believe there was possible DNA evidence from Natalee found in Joran's apt.  Then nothing mentioned

Blood evidence in Kalpoe bros. car... turned into cleaning fluid and chocolate.

AZLady question.  How did Jossy know that ALE knew Natalee was at Joran's apartment?

That is interesting too.  They conducted a search of Joran's garage apartment, and he could sneak in and out.  However, they did NOT SEARCH THE MAIN HOUSE.  Searched the garage and apartment.  We were led to believe that evidence was found there.  Jossy had reason to believe that possible DNA evidence from NH was found in that apartment.  It has never come out that was true.  We do not know if it was or not, but you would think it would be turned over to attorneys on both side, but never has.

We were led to believe blood evidence was in Kalpoe car.  The police stated on world TV blood was found in Kalpoe car and car sent to Holland.  Report came back that it was cleaning fluid and chocolate.  I do not know of any initial tests, luminol or any tests for blood, that would show positive for cleaning fluid and chocolate to be blood.  It's elementary 101 from crime substances, few will show up as blood, animal blood and is still blood.  You know you have blood when you get a positive reading, but cannot know whose until lab results return.  We were disappointed in that, but it is one of those things I cannot accuse someone of but it is easily something that could have been substituted.  Getting into break.

He asked about my question! Was any evidence found in Joran's apartment?  They searched the apartment.  We were led to believe evidence was found.  Jossy was led to believe DNA evidence was found in the apt.  We don't know if this is true and if it is, it hasn't been turned over to the attorneys.   We were led to believe blood was found in kalpoes car.  When report came back from Holland, it was said it was cleaning fluid and chocolate.  I don't know any tests that show initially blood that will then test positive for cleaning fluid and choc.  Blood tests are not mistaken for other things, you just don't know whose blood.  Those are evidence that may hve been substituted.

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THE PROSECUTOR even showed up for the search where Art found the belt.   :shock: That would be Karin Janssen.   :evil:

What kind of history does Joran have?

1.  Professionals have said he is a sociopath
2.  Obviously has some problems
3.  Claims to have never been to a psycologist.  Even his father says he has for anger.

No break, another question.

Let's talk about Joran and his history, and in your investigation, before what did you find out about him before Natalee came on the island, history, any problems with law, etc, in the past.  There were allged incidents against females.

Professionals who have testified say he is a sociopath.  I have not personally met him but based on his track records - he also has some problems.  On Greta interview, he claimed to have never been to psychologist or psychiatrist, but on police reports, according to both Joran and his father, Joran was being treated for anger management and for stealing from his family.

Dana watched Greta screaming at the TV and would have loved to spend 15 minutes in a room with JVDS, and could get him to talk.

Greta asked why he told his father he was at the casino and later when they went there, he was not there.  He said, 'Oh, I made a mistake, I was at the Radisson, not the Wyndham."  Anyway that was the night after Nat disappeared.  He tells the authorities he had a tennis match and then hooked up with his friends and they went to a casino and claim to have gone to ...anyway, he was in a poker tournament at the Radisson, so what happened is Greta asked him "why did you tell your father you were at this casino, when you were at the Raddison. "  He told Greta it is because they parked the car there, where Deepak took the car.  Guess what, Deepak did not take him there.  Deepak was at work.  Greta had him in a lie and did not pursue it.  IT was a bold-faced lie.  I thought it was important because what had happened was he told his father and the father told police and they asked employees and no one had seen him.  Not one employee could recall him being there.  We had reason to believe in June, one kid on the island told Dave H that Joran and his father borrowed a friend's boat that night.  That would have been the line of questioning I would have followed.

Dana said Greta was no interview, just a discussion.

yeah Dana for backing up BO!!!!

Art Wood, "This kid (Joran) is a professional liar."

Quote of the year

Asking about the Bo D. service in NY.

Art Wood says:  You can see that Joran is a professonal liar.  Bo just wanted to get to Joran.

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Hurray!  Somebody emailed Dana the name of the Wyndham!  
Good job!

 :D

Red did, lol  :lol:  :lol:

Deepak worked until 11:30pm on the night of the 30th.  Deepak went to the Radisson to meet up with Joran and his friends.

Discussing Bo Dietl playing mental games with Joran.  Bo's emotions got a little bit to him.  Bo is a homicide detective.  Dana says those types of techniques as far as intimidation sometime work.  Was that it or the heat of moment (Bo's behavior)?

Bo probably had the same feelings you and I have, would like to have a chance to get inside his head, as you and I would.  Joran is a professional liar.  If you watched him, we knew he was not at the hotel he claimed to be at -- Wyndham -- this is the night Beth & Jug arrive, May 30/May 31.  They are led to VDS house.  Father answers door, says he will ask Joran, says Joran not home.  Says he will call him.  The Wyndham and Radison are quite far apart.  There is very little parking at Wyndham, have to have guest key but big parking lot at Radison.  She had him in a bold-faced lie but she did not follow up.

Joran's past with other females.  Professionals have testified in this case that he is a sociopath.  Interview with Greta he claims never to have been to a psychologist, but we have reports he has and father said he has been treated with anger management and for stealing.  Dana was screaming at the TV when greta interviewed him for not asking the right questions.  Joran told father he was at one casino, but then when asked said he was at another casino.  He tells the authorities he had tennis match and then wnet to casino with friends and then is in another tournament at Radisson.  Why did youtell your father you were at another casino when at the Radisson.  He said that's where Deepak parked the car, but Deepak was working that night.  She caught him in a boldfaced lie, but didn't jump on it.  We have reason to believe, a young kid on the island, told Dave that Joran and his father borrowed a boat that night.  Dana said he didn't like the interview Greta did.

Bo Dietl serving Joran playing those mental games saying where did you bury the girl, etc.  Those techniques sometime work as far as the intimidation factor.   Bo probably had the same feeling as they do that they would like a shot at the kid.  The kid is a professional liar.   He tells his Dad he's at the Wyndham the night the Holloways arrive.  The father goes to look for son, he's not home.  I'll call him.  PVDS gets on phone at 2 am and says where are you son.  They go to the Wyndham and Joran's not there and hasn't been there.  He's in the driveway with Deepak when they get back.  Greta says why did youtell your Dad Wyndham when youwere at Radisson?  Deepak worked and supposedly wne to Wyndham to park car and then went to Radisson to meet Joran.  These are a ways apart from each other.  Greta had him in a bold faced lie and didn't follow up on it.

This is going to have be a three parter for sure!

No chit.  I am so enjoying listening to this.

oops - Easy - forgot to thank you for helping put this together.  Thanks so much!   :oops:

First, on the day after she disappeared J2K told Beth and police they dropped her off at HI and she stumbled and fell on sidewalk and a black security guard helped her.  They told that story on June 1 and Beth and the Van Der Stratten know these boys lied that day.  They saw the video and Kalpoe car was never there.  The chief of police knows they lied and were last seen with her.  Wouldn't you focus your investigation on these guys?  Well, they instead arrested two black security guards when you know the people who pointed youto them are lying.  The orchestrated arrest of the guards show there is a cover up in Aruba.

Thank you Art for stating the obvious that the police knew the three were lying and they arrested somebody else ...

Thank God somebody has sais this.

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This is the BEST interview I have EVER heard from Art Wood!
Some people do so much better if you just turn them loose and allow
them to talk and not just do Q&A!   :shock:

This is fabulous as far as information!

Yes, yes, yes...finally! The lies led to a false arrest.  That is a cover up!

I was just thinking how great it would be if we could all just sit in a room and listen to him for an entire day.

You said it Anna ... this is what is fantastic about the internet.

Unlimited time and the fact that Dana does not need to hear himself talk as the pundits do. He lets the guest talk ... what a novel concept.

Here's another lie.  Joran told Natalee he couldn't stay with her at the beach because he has to go to school the next day.  The next night he's out again until 3 am.  In addition, PVDS was NOT surprised when Joran was gone the night that Natalee's parents showed up.   So why was it a big deal that Joran had snuck out the night before???  He did it all the time.

The narc investigator got a drug dealer to say he saw the 2 black security guards going into the girls room.  and there is no record of the interview.

This is really awesome! They arrested the security dudes AFTER they knew the boys lied...BINGO!

Good investigators and officers in Aruba were never allowed to work on this case

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Like Natalee's roommate wouldn't have noticed two black security guards going in and out of the room???  Remember one of the girls went back to the room and to bed a little early.  They should know better than to try to sell that.

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Yeah, this is a good one!  We all need to help get guest for Dana!  This is a great format!

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I hope TACO is listening to this...probably not likely, but we can hope. 8)

who was the employer????

did we ever know that pvds had an atty for Freddy...

Joran, K2 told Beth and police (on May 30-31) they dropped her off at the HI and she stumbled and fell and they were going to help her but black security guard helped her.  This was before June 1.  Beth H-T and ALE, VanderStraaten have viewed films and they know these boys have lied because films show she was never dropped off and she did not fall and hurt herself.  The car never enters the area.  They know these three have lied.  The chief of police has three people who were last seen with this 18-year-old American girl, and they were seen with her in their car and that these three teenagers have all told you, the chief, that you dropped her off but now you know they were lying.  Would now you not focus on those 3 kids?  Well, guess what they went after two black security guards on June 5 and arrested them.  Why would you do that?  You know the people who pointed you to them are lying.  If you do not believe there is a cover-up, look at the orchestrated arrest of these security guards, they knew these 3 pukes were lying, so why would they orchestrate this arrest unless it was a cover up?

That is the biggest seed to plant into listerners' heads, that there is a cover up.  Talking about Boeti, the drug dealer, who said he sold Boeti drugs.  Art interviewed him five times and each time he interviewed him, I came away from the interview thinking he had been coached.  He told Art he saw black security guards going in and out of Natalee's room, and there is no police report of that even though he says he has been there several times.  Later it comes out Boeti is a drug dealer, BIL of Dompig.  Lead narcotics investigator in Aruba, working as the chief investigator of NH disappearance, what better way to orchestrate the arrest of these two black guys than get a drug dealer to say "Yes, I saw them going in and out of her room."

You could not write a movie script any better than this.  The family wants closure.  this craziness from Aruba just goes on and on.

Before the other questions, there are some good, professional officers on Aruba, but were never assigned to this case -- homicide detectives but they were never assigned it and that is probably to use the term, "you just pinned the tail on the donkey."

Art wants listeners to know he thinks highly of some officers on Aruba but they were never allowed to work on case.

another question:  The gardener witness.  Did he ever take a lie detector test.  Is he deemed to be credible.  Was it because he could not identify Satish.  Could it have been Freddy?  Absolutely.  Gardener is credible.  This is the original Carlos the gardener, young man, early 20s.  Art found him very honest and sincere.  I believed him.  I am very sure this guy was honest.  He was afraid to come forward because he is a gardener.  This Carlos the gardener told Art (Art found him) through an interpreter.  YOu could tell he was sincere.  "I saw them searching by the fisherman's huts, they had a big search party, police and everybody and I was driving to work and I wanted to tell them "No, go over here."  He told his employer.  Carlos was not interviewed until August and he told his employer about this in June.  Employer backed this up.  He works for a family on the island and I think he would be an excellent witness.  He could not identify Satish but could identify Baby Huey and Deepak.  He said whoever was in the back seat, got down.  It turns out it could be Freddy and I Have seen interviews in which it talks about the fact Paulus got attorneys for these kids the first week in June before they were arrested.  Paulus got Freddy an attorney in June and Freddy was not arrested until September.  That tells you a lot.  Art believes Freddy is one of the five.  Carlos the Gardener is a valuable witness.

Wow - this is so much new info

Freddy already had attorney set up for him in June.  Carlos the Gardener is a valuable witness.  He's a young man in his 20's.

Art said yeah it could have been Freddy in the back seat.  Paulus even got an attorney for Freddy back in the first week of June.

Gardener saw three boys in the car near the Racquet Club.  Art believes him and says he had no reason to lie.  He told Art I saw them searching by the fisherman huts.  I wanted to tell them to look over here, over here.  He was afraid to tell the police, but told his employer.  He told his employer this in June.  He is still on the island and would be an excellent witness if this goes to trial.  He couldn't identify Satish because he ducked down.  It could have been Freddy in the back seat.  One of the interviews says Paulus got attorneys for these kids the first week of June!  And he got an attorney for Freddy the first week of June.   Freddy is one of the five people I mentioned.  Carlos the Gardener is a good witness.

Freddy wasn't taken in until August, but Paulus got him an attorney in June!

Art thinks she may have been run over by the car.  As in the police tape.

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Paulus got attorney for FREDDIE the first week in June!  Before even J2K
were arrested.   :shock:

So FREDDIE IS INVOLVED for sure!

Freddie of photo fame.  I still think there are or at least were photos taken.

Oh, I have a really good question for him, he must come back again!

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Art thinks Natalee might have been run over with the car.

OMG.... it never occurred to me that she could have been run over by a car.... OMG...

Art believes she was given a date rape drug, but there's no evidence unless her body is found.  He also thinks she may have been run over by a car.  The boys were being transported and were secretly recorded in the car.  They are angry with each other, Deepak says if they ever find the girl you're going to jail for 20 yrs.  Joran tell Deepak don't you think the police would like to know that your brother ran a girl over with the car?  He's threatening him.  They said she fell out of the car at the HI and we now that's a lie.  Why would you say she fell out of the car unless you are covering your but?  In the statement they give, Satish parked the car behind C&C and there's no reason to believe he didn't drive when they left.  Maybe Natalee tried to jump from the moving car and Satish ran her over.

Yup... He believes Freddy is one of the five ppl. Me too ! ! !
Jesus, this Art is good. He likes to talk. !  ! !
Chicago Videos... see thr FBI look at it.

The Dutch say not to believe Carlos the gardener becasuse he is Columbian.

Next question:  Can you explain, based on your knowledge, etc., why the K2 and Joran have not at least been charged with abduction/kidnapping, raping, even drugging as there have been some admissions.  In your opinion is the evidence there or will it be there?  Unfortunately, unless we can find Natalee, although I believe she was given a drug, unless suspects talk, no evidence that can be used to convince a jury that this girl was drugged.  I also think she may have been run over with a car.  Art is basing this on the transport statements in the back of the poilce car when they were secretly tape-recorded.  During the conversation, they are careful what they say but angry.  Joran threatens to beat them both up, going to hit them.  Deepak says if they find the girl you are going to Jail.  Go back and forth arguging and one thing Joran says in this conversation he tells Deepak, "Don't you think the police would like to know your brother ran a girl over with the car?"

The reason this is so important, when they were interviewed, said Natalee fell out of the car at the HI, and we know that is a lie, but why did they say that, she fell out of car unless you were covering your butt.  She might have tried to jump out and may have been run over.  We were all led to believe Deepak was driving but in statement they give, it is said Satish parked the car behind Carlos and Charlie and why would he not be driving.

Talking about Chicago videos, plastic bag.  I would like for an expert to examine them, the FBI.  I cannot see that it is anything related to this case, but could be.  I am not an expert.  Someone who knows, is an expert, needs to look at them.

Chicago videos - would like the experts to look at them.  He doesn't know if it has anything to do with the case.  Want's the experts to look at them.

Me neither, Mrs. Red.  But that would be believable.... :cry:

Art Wood is a volunteer - he has not received any payments for anything in this case, just like TES.

Whew!  

Art says he has never been paid nor did he seek payment for this case.  He is a volunteer, and has not been paid for his work.  Jossy helped him with some expenses, but he's doing it for Beth and Dave.

Awsome job with Art!!

Is this true or a question, Mrs?

Eric Mansur employed the Gardner, Carlos.  Eric's SIL was the secretary for Jan vd Sratten.

Gee go figure ... another person being tarnished by those that think they know everything to go after a pro-family guy.

You are a good man Art Wood.

That was sooooo wonderful!!!!!!!!!

Dave's book.. Eric Mansur.

Unreal huh?!!!  WOW - thanks to everyone who had anything to do with this.  The best ever!

According to Art Wood, PVDS paid for an attorney for Freddy in June, 2 months before he was even brought in for questioning.

Tylergal  and  AZLady  and anybody i might have missed...thanks for transcripts!

It's true.... and I was just commenting that we didn't know that piece of it.... or at least, I didn't..

LOL, I resemble that comment.  J/K

Yes thank y'all... so much... it's so hard to keep up with... I am going to have to hear all this again...

I did think that was a possibility a long time ago.  I though she was trying to escape.  But that was just one of my theories.

THIS WAS A GREAT SHOW TONIGHT.

Anna is on!!  WTG!!

yes, it was...

Yes great job everyone in transcribing.

Anna, what an awesome southern accent, you sound like such a southern lady as I said before.

Indeed, fantastic!!

ANNA has a great radio voice  :arrow:  Good Job!

So, Van Stratten, Jacobs, or both screwed this thing up!

yes she does... sounds like a little China doll!

I'd love to know his take on Karin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DON'T have an accent.  Neither does Easy!   8)

I kept waiting for them to talk about the family asking that that crew of crooks be replaced since Art helped with that letter but it never came up!  Couldn't stand it so called to let Dana know we need to discuss THAT as it may be the only way we can hold those who did this cover up accountable.

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And a big thank you from me too!! I am not able to listen to it b/c the kids are asleep. What a GREAT interview!! I think if it were several hours long, Art could fill up that time with no problem...Thanks EASYWRITER for organizing this interview!! Thanks ART WOOD for all you've done to help Natalee and for getting some of this information out there!!

Red on Dana thanking him and praising Art for his perseverence and efforts.  Dana promises to have him back, and thinks this one person who listens, who never had the opportunity to come forward and Dana promises to keep working on these types of programs, for missing persons, unlike bottom line.  Red thanks him again.

Tyler - how are you typing this so fast, accurate, and NEAT???

Yeah, I didn't hear no accent! lol

Think this guy is a monkey?  lol

Thanks to Dana, Easy, Red, Klaas, Old F*rt, Sleuth, Anna.  Palm reader on.  The two Indian boys are capable of killing.  (Must be Paulus' friend calling in).

:shock:  a palm reader......

Palm reader thinks that K2 are killers 8)

No chit.

Good job Red, this was a great interview, think I will e-mail Dana and give some more money.

This guy is STRANGE.

Dana is too nice.  "Click" sorry next call.

This guy talking reads palms and he is a nut.

I never picked up on that one !

Someone had to be calling the shots for the wrong people to be assigned to this case.  Van der Stratten seemed to come forward with info of a confession and then that was retracted and the written statement butchered.  There has to be a name associated with that decision!

Never mentioned Baby Huey, did he?  Cat was needing to be fed.  Wondered if this guy is a plant by Tacopino guy, Medley Relay :lol:

Tylergal, I hope you are feeling better tonight...

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Thank you, Mishy.  I am.  I am a tough old bird.

How is your sweet baby, and did you ever get that router fixed?

Karen Janssen is in charge of the police.

Caller (woman) from Alabama thought Art Wood did a great job tonight. Can't hear the rest  :wink:

who is that caller?

Karin certainly did not want to go in like Cowboys, arresting Indians and the Dutch.   :wink:

Tylergal and AZLady - thank you so much for giving the play-by-play on this.  Great job!

Also thanks to those that sent in questions.

Easy - thank you for your work in orchestrating this..

Red and Tom - thanks for providing the forum for which we can discuss and contribute.

Do not know but she is doing a good job.  Fess up.  Who are you?

Ditto

I couldn't get it to play.  Thanks for the continuing commentary here.

Good grief.  What a cluster-f.

I sincerely hope someone will send a copy of the transcript or podcast or whatever to someone in the media who will do something with it.  Okay, send it to everybody and their brother.  I'm thinking Kimberly Guilfoyle will be on this like stink on poop.

This much I promise, if I EVER call in for one of these shows I'm going to use by best southern accent so you guys can't figure out who I am..ha ha ha

She's OK, but still a high fever...

And no on the router, after the 3 hours of phone calls, I was so exhausted and frustrated, I took a nap...

Oh I love Johnny Cash!! (Finally turned on the broadcast as the last call was just about over. Do we know who that was?

Klaas, I asked the belt question ( along with others I'm sure).  Could you post the infamous belt picture so Mr. P. can see it?  He doesn't know what the deal is......... :roll:

Was that you?? I thought maybe it was Debbie from BFN... great job!

Klaas, I bet you have a sweet voice.    

Anna, CBB and Sleuth do a great job.  Maybe we should nominate them caller-in-ers. :lol:

Boy, that is the prettiest southern drawl I've heard in a long time!  Caller from Alabama!  I am just blown away by this interview--and my fingers are tight from typing and listening.    :lol:    This was fantastic!  It feels so good to hear our suspicions verified and to have someone in the know tell us we are not crazy!!! This did happen and it did happen this way!

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Heck no, wasn't me.  I couldn't fake a southern accent that good.  :lol:  :lol:

Art was not kind to Greta was he ?
I liked the show. Art likes to talk. Leaned some new stuff.
Just confirms and verifies what we all have been thinking and writing about.
What a great idea ! Thanks to Easy, Dana, Art and the Chief Monkeys !  !  
kisses and hugs to all ! !

I go back to something Art said at the beginning--the best bet for justice is after Aruba closes this case.  Then Beth and Dave go to the FBI in Alabama and pester them to open an investigation of their own. Then, we might find out what really happened.

Mishy, I Know you probably know this, but fever has a purpose and that is fighting infection.  If the fever does not get too, too high or your child does not have problems with seizures, keep it managed but sometimes when the body is fighting hard, it is difficult to keep it normal.

I spent 3+ hours on the phone to a guy in India one day trying to get mine working and I could not understand what he wanted me to do, when I finally realized he wanted the serial number, we had it fixed within 30 seconds flat, it was just that zda nomma I did not get.

Funny you ask that Mrs, because when I heard her voice, I was actually wondering if it was our Klaasend  :lol:

I find it very interesting that Paul-ass got Freddy an attorney back in June...if he wasn't involved in anything, why get him an attorney?

Klaas if I ever called in you would know it was me right away with my NY accent.  I couldn't even disguise it.

If I should call in again, I am going to read palms.   8)

Not to go OT on such an important nite BUT BEANS!!!!  I now have several requests for the recipe for Runza casserole!.. ....

whew, that was a lot of great information... going to have to listen again later....

good night monkeys... keep the faith!!

That is definitely something to chew on!!

I wonder how many people listen to Dana's show? I definitely think a transcript of his show to Joe M, MSM, Spencer Bacchus, Condoleeza Rice, etc etc is in order...

I can read sweat and knew right away Paulus was lying  :wink:

Too funny - and I thought only people from around here liked Runza's.  Good for you Peaches!

Won't work Easy - we'd recognize your voice... Just like everyone knows mine   :wink:

Is it time for a Jossy follow-up, or do we need to give him a break for another week?

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 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Break, heck no!  :lol:

LMAO....  :lol:  :lol:

 :wink:  :wink:  :wink: I think I might have had an internet chat with the palm reader back in 2004.   :wink:  :wink:  :wink:

I'm sitting here steaming over this.  I knew all along Freddy was involved and to find out that Paulus paid for his attorney is just unbelievable.

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How did Tyler and AZLady and the rest type that fast???   :shock: That's a bunch of typing!

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LMAO.

Right???

We don't read palms down here in Mobile.  We read Sports Illustrated and beer cans.

Tylergal,

I had a hard time understanding when they asked for my S/N too, but it didn't help  :cry:

I guess I will have to try again another day...It's just ridiculous and pathetic!!

 :oops: By omitting proper spelling, punctuation and using some macro's. :oops:

Frijole  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Anyone have the link for the Paypal account for Dana?

And that those A holes down in Aruba have done NOTHING about it.  Dave and Beth are WAY nicer than I would be if I was on national TV every night.  YOu'd be talking bout that LOONEY lady who keeps getting "Bleeped" for swearing and going crazy on the news.  They have put up with far too much.

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OK Klaas, I think you've got the quote of the night  :wink: