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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/15/08 Post by: Nut44x4 on September 02, 2008, 07:58:43 AM http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf JUSTICE FOR NATALEE Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 09, 2008, 08:31:24 AM ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 09, 2008, 10:15:09 AM Sorry Blonde...I had stuff ready to switcheroo and automatically hit the buttons ... forgive me, please ::MonkeyWaa::
Where is everyone...didn't I unlock this? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 09, 2008, 10:17:38 AM Hope we get more info soon on the return to Aruba by TES.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 09, 2008, 10:43:13 AM look here ::MonkeyHaHa:: WAs PauLaS a Judge ????????? ::MonkeyNoNo::
he is lying on his own website ::MonkeyConfused:: (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/CARLOkopie-1.jpg?t=1220970631) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 09, 2008, 10:55:08 AM look here ::MonkeyHaHa:: WAs PauLaS a Judge ????????? ::MonkeyNoNo:: he is lying on his own website ::MonkeyConfused:: (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/CARLOkopie-1.jpg?t=1220970631) Hi Johan...I have been asking this question for a long time now... Early Aruban posters said he was a lawyer at KABNAA...Cabinet of the Netherland Antilles and Aruban Affairs. Is this now the cabinet of the Interior or something else...TIA Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 09, 2008, 11:09:47 AM He was "Lands Advocate" that means that he worked for the Aruban Government .
Normally they do the "dirty" work for the Government ! As a normal citizen it is not easy to fight with this kind of lawyers because they have "All" the time of the world and money. dirty pittbull's He was never a real judge but a judge in training and for particular reasons they quit with him. Now he is a simple lawyer in a very small office In Holland he was a social lawyer ,that means that a client don't have to pay him . Here Judge vd Sloot in Action ::MonkeyHaHa:: (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Rechterkopie.jpg?t=1220972901) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 09, 2008, 11:17:36 AM He was "Lands Advocate" that means that he worked for the Aruban Government . Normally they do the "dirty" work for the Government ! As a normal citizen it is not easy to fight with this kind of lawyers because they have "All" the time of the world and money. dirty pittbull's He was never a real judge but a judge in training and for particular reasons they quit with him. Now he is a simple lawyer in a very small office In Holland he was a social lawyer ,that means that a client don't have to pay him . Here Judge vd Sloot in Action ::MonkeyHaHa:: (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Rechterkopie.jpg?t=1220972901) Johan...So Paulus worked for the Aruban government? Would he have played any part in extradition procedures? TIA Dirty work makes for a dirty hand... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 09, 2008, 11:40:57 AM Johan...do I have this straight?
Paulus was employed by the Aruban Government as "Lands Advocate" until he was appointed to be a Judge in Training by the Dutch government. If so...Very Important...Would he have worked on extradiction cases... Thanks in Advance... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 09, 2008, 01:39:09 PM Johan...I have finished reading how powerful a Lands Advocate was in History, now I need to know just how powerful and important one is now.
As always...Thanks again in Advance... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 09, 2008, 01:40:46 PM Johan...do I have this straight? Paulus was employed by the Aruban Government as "Lands Advocate" until he was appointed to be a Judge in Training by the Dutch government. If so...Very Important...Would he have worked on extradiction cases... Thanks in Advance... extradition cases to which countries ? do you mean if someone is illegal Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 09, 2008, 01:44:18 PM Johan...I have finished reading how powerful a Lands Advocate was in History, now I need to know just how powerful and important one is now. i think the same As always...Thanks again in Advance... they do the dirty work for a government . real rat's ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 09, 2008, 01:48:40 PM Johan...do I have this straight? Paulus was employed by the Aruban Government as "Lands Advocate" until he was appointed to be a Judge in Training by the Dutch government. If so...Very Important...Would he have worked on extradiction cases... Thanks in Advance... extradition cases to which countries ? do you mean if someone is illegal Extradition to the US...for crimes committed in the US...Not to do with citizenship. Is KABNAA Foreign Affairs? I thought Foreign Affairs was handled by the Netherlands. Did KABNAA come under the Dutch government? If so, how could Paulus be working at KABNAA and for the Aruban government? Sorry...Lots of questions...LOL...TIA Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 09, 2008, 01:52:13 PM Johan...I have finished reading how powerful a Lands Advocate was in History, now I need to know just how powerful and important one is now. i think the same As always...Thanks again in Advance... they do the dirty work for a government . real rat's ::MonkeyHaHa:: Dirty Hand!...That Powerful? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 09, 2008, 01:55:28 PM Johan...I have finished reading how powerful a Lands Advocate was in History, now I need to know just how powerful and important one is now. i think the same As always...Thanks again in Advance... they do the dirty work for a government . real rat's ::MonkeyHaHa:: Dirty Hand!...That Powerful? yep i think so they make new law's, in the background,back stage etc Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 09, 2008, 01:57:05 PM Johan...I have finished reading how powerful a Lands Advocate was in History, now I need to know just how powerful and important one is now. i think the same As always...Thanks again in Advance... they do the dirty work for a government . real rat's ::MonkeyHaHa:: Dirty Hand!...That Powerful? yep i think so they make new law's, in the background,back stage etc landsavocaten are the foundation for a government Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 09, 2008, 01:59:11 PM Johan...I have finished reading how powerful a Lands Advocate was in History, now I need to know just how powerful and important one is now. i think the same As always...Thanks again in Advance... they do the dirty work for a government . real rat's ::MonkeyHaHa:: Dirty Hand!...That Powerful? yep i think so they make new law's, in the background,back stage etc landsavocaten are the foundation for a government they have a lot of credit to a government and they know a lot! secret things etc . Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 09, 2008, 02:00:21 PM Johan...I have finished reading how powerful a Lands Advocate was in History, now I need to know just how powerful and important one is now. i think the same As always...Thanks again in Advance... they do the dirty work for a government . real rat's ::MonkeyHaHa:: Dirty Hand!...That Powerful? yep i think so they make new law's, in the background,back stage etc landsavocaten are the foundation for a government they have a lot of credit to a government and they know a lot! secret things etc . they can also blackmail people naturally Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 09, 2008, 02:02:10 PM Johan...I have finished reading how powerful a Lands Advocate was in History, now I need to know just how powerful and important one is now. i think the same As always...Thanks again in Advance... they do the dirty work for a government . real rat's ::MonkeyHaHa:: Dirty Hand!...That Powerful? yep i think so they make new law's, in the background,back stage etc landsavocaten are the foundation for a government Thanks Johan...just checking... So would this be for the Aruban Government not the Dutch Government? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 09, 2008, 02:16:15 PM Johan...Is there a way to find out which Law firm Paulus worked for in the Netherlands before he went to Aruba? Or did he work for the goverment there as well?
I have 2 different years...1990 and 1991...TIA Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Pita on September 09, 2008, 03:17:12 PM Paulus Van der Sloot
Tilburg Van der Sloot (53) got his legal education at the University of Tilburg in the seventies. He co-founded the Legal Faculty Association Tilburg and also the faculty newspaper ‘Nondejure'. After he finished his studies he did not went to work for the government, but assisted citizens that had conflicts with the government. It was in that period in Arnhem, where he met a woman Anita (teacher of Artistic Formation) and it was also there were Joran and Valentijn, two of his three suns, were born. New job In 1991 Paul van der Sloot thought it was the time for a new job and he found one in Aruba where he was appointed for five year as a lawyer for the Aruban government. The ministers there were not impressed with his stance „I always first try to find a compromise. By simply prosecuting nobody gets wiser. If the authorities do something wrong I will always admit that. You must never interpret the facts differently then what they are. I am convinced that on the long run this will give better results“, According to Van der Sloot in an interview ten years ago in the Brabants Dagblad. After a while Van der Sloot got a different assigment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts. Van der Sloot considered going back to The Netherlands, but he liked the small scale of Aruba and as it appeared he had enough possibilities to continue with his career. He became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university. Judge Two years ago Van der Sloot Ditch got the opportunity to become a judge. With his background that meant that he had follow a training course of three years. During that training period, he was appointed as a substitute judge in the Antillean court. Van der Sloot completed the training period of a year in the Netherlands recently but he has not conducted a court(hearing) yet. http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/paul_van_der_sl_1.html Snipped from PVDS interview with NOVA..... Reporter (Twan Huys): Which function do you have here at the island? Because many stories go around about that. What is your function? Paul van der Sloot: I am a replacing member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba [1] and I am appointed for a period of three years, from January the first, 2003, until January the first, 2006. Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you are replacement judge? Paul van der Sloot: Yes. Reporter (Twan Huys): Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention? Paul van der Sloot: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general [2]. Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you also know the current prosecutor general? Paul van der Sloot: Yes. Reporter (Twan Huys): Mrs. Croes. Paul van der Sloot: Yes. http://scrux.com/natalee/paulusinterview.htm Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 09, 2008, 03:48:29 PM Hi Pita....Thanks
There was some discussion a while ago in Shango as to whether the van der Sloots arrived in Aruba in 1990 or 1991. It was in connection as to whether Val was born in Aruba or the Netherlands. IIRC Anita stated 1990 and it may have been in the interview she did about Lorenzo. Known him since a boy, etc etc, which the interview would have been some time after Feb. 3rd of this year. I will check Shango and see if I can find it. Way back in Shango1, JE posted a link to all the Judges, and I think those in training, and I couldn't make heads or tails of it as it was all in Dutch. I am going to look for that as well. FP posters from Aruba kept saying he was just a lawyer for KABNAA and this was very early in the case...before 6/11/2005. I do the recall the property case with Paulus. I wonder where that info at RWV came from? Looks to me like it could have been written by Anita! ::MonkeyEek:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 09, 2008, 04:34:09 PM Somewhere, long, long ago I came across something that read similar to this :
The Dutch boys father being a powerful member in the Aruban Government and that Joran would never be prosecuted due to that fact. I can't remember if I posted the article or if someone else did or if we just blew it off as the article meaning Paulus as Judge in training as 'powerful' :roll: Actually I can't remember if it was posted at all, but I do remember those words ..... powerful member in the Aruban Government Sorry I can't help further. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: WhiskeyGirl on September 09, 2008, 07:41:20 PM He was "Lands Advocate" that means that he worked for the Aruban Government . Normally they do the "dirty" work for the Government ! As a normal citizen it is not easy to fight with this kind of lawyers because they have "All" the time of the world and money. dirty pittbull's He was never a real judge but a judge in training and for particular reasons they quit with him. Now he is a simple lawyer in a very small office In Holland he was a social lawyer ,that means that a client don't have to pay him . Here Judge vd Sloot in Action ::MonkeyHaHa:: (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Rechterkopie.jpg?t=1220972901) Hi johan555, From what I recall - PVDS was reassigned from some unknown position in March 2005. Later, after Natalee disappeared, in separate interviews, AVDS & PVDS referred to Paulus as a 'judge' on the island - not a former judge, an active 'judge'. His contract was up in December 2005. IIRC, witnesses/suspects/informants have also indicated that Joran is the "son of a judge" on the island. Why would they believe this? What was the position he had in March 2005? What position did he hold for the remainder of the year? What were his job responsibilities? Would he be considered a 'judge' by others based on his responsibilities? Who holds that job/position today? What is a 'real judge'? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: WhiskeyGirl on September 09, 2008, 07:50:00 PM From memory -
The other thing of interest is that from what I recall, PVDS had keys to the office until some time in August of 2005. What of his computer access? File access? When did the Aruban public become aware that he wasn't really a judge? What kind of cases, as a lawyer or some kind of judge, was PVDS involved in during 2004 and 2005? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: WhiskeyGirl on September 09, 2008, 07:57:31 PM Did PVDS have business cards with his title? Maybe some official letterhead with his title?
Does he qualify for some judges pension? In his early requests for compensation from the Aruban government, did he make any mention of being a judge, and that due to the publicity/etc. from this case could no longer pursue that career? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 09, 2008, 08:01:06 PM Someone on the Caylee thread has just said that Tim has made it safely to Aruba. Does anyone know if this is for real?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 09, 2008, 08:17:31 PM Someone on the Caylee thread has just said that Tim has made it safely to Aruba. Does anyone know if this is for real? SS…Fladeedah said they made it back to Texas…That is all I saw and what you posted…I think…LOL ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 09, 2008, 08:32:30 PM Someone on the Caylee thread has just said that Tim has made it safely to Aruba. Does anyone know if this is for real? I know nothing more than that which was posted. Perhps tomorrow we will hear more. Tim has to be totally exhausted!! I hope he gets rest tonight. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2008, 09:08:50 PM Hi Pita....Thanks There was some discussion a while ago in Shango as to whether the van der Sloots arrived in Aruba in 1990 or 1991. It was in connection as to whether Val was born in Aruba or the Netherlands. IIRC Anita stated 1990 and it may have been in the interview she did about Lorenzo. Known him since a boy, etc etc, which the interview would have been some time after Feb. 3rd of this year. I will check Shango and see if I can find it. Way back in Shango1, JE posted a link to all the Judges, and I think those in training, and I couldn't make heads or tails of it as it was all in Dutch. I am going to look for that as well. FP posters from Aruba kept saying he was just a lawyer for KABNAA and this was very early in the case...before 6/11/2005. I do the recall the property case with Paulus. I wonder where that info at RWV came from? Looks to me like it could have been written by Anita! ::MonkeyEek:: Mum, I have been looking at old Dutch articles for over two hours now. It's very interesting to me that I can find articles back to the beginning...but one particular article that was stated to have biographical info on PVDS is not there. The article was referenced on SM back in 2005 and again here in 2007. The dutch title of the article is "Van magistraat tot verdachte van moord". I found a couple links to the article but have not been able to view it yet. Kermit and Easywriter discussed the biography info here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1994.580 Easywriter also posted this excerpt: Application No. 15596/89 by Allegonda VAN DER SLOOT and others against the Netherlands The European Commission of Human Rights (Second Chamber) sitting in private on 1 July 1992, the following members being present: MM. S. TRECHSEL, President of the Second Chamber G. JÖRUNDSSON A. WEITZEL J.-C. SOYER H. G. SCHERMERS H. DANELIUS Mrs. G. H. THUNE MM. F. MARTINEZ L. LOUCAIDES J.-C. GEUS Mr. K. ROGGE, Secretary to the Second Chamber Having regard to Article 25 of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms; Having regard to the application introduced on 22 June 1989 by Allegonda VAN DER SLOOT and others against the Netherlands and registered on 10 October 1989 under file No. 15596/89; Having regard to the report provided for in Rule 47 of the Rules of Procedure of the Commission; Having deliberated; Decides as follows: THE FACTS The applicants are 15 inhabitants of Boxtel, 3 inhabitants of Vught, 1 inhabitant of Sassenheim, 1 inhabitant of Best, 1 inhabitant of Tilburg, an environmental association with its registered seat in Den Dungen and a residence association with its registered seat in Boxtel, the Netherlands. Their names are appended (Appendix I). Before the Commission the applicants are represented by Mr. P.A.P.J. van der Sloot, a lawyer practising in Boxtel. The facts of the case as submitted by the applicants may be summarised as follows. http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/search.asp?sessionid=1730018&skin=hudoc-en Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 09, 2008, 09:21:23 PM texasmom
I don't have time to look now, but I believe the originals ( PVDS Hx and Boxtel) were from Hasibokas (sp?). We have copies of some of their early blogs...somewhere... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2008, 09:44:25 PM texasmom I don't have time to look now, but I believe the originals ( PVDS Hx and Boxtel) were from Hasibokas (sp?). We have copies of some of their early blogs...somewhere... Thanks Buckeye, but I think that's probably the one I have and the one that Pita posted from...just thought I'd try to find more. This may have actually been taken from the article I was trying to view. http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/paul_van_der_sl_1.html Monday, June 27, 2005 Paul Van der Sloot Background Thanks to Hasibokus for this translation of a recent Dutch article on Paul(us) Van der Sloot. It's interesting background reading on the man just released while his son remains in custody. My headline for the article wouldn't have been quite so glowing. There appears to be more than a hint of self interest in his biggest claim to fame and no mention of his potential judgeship having been de-railed prior to the Natalee Holloway case based upon performance evaluations - according to Fox. Van der Sloot, persistent lawyer with principles The lawyer Paul van der Sloot, that is detained in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway affair is here mostly known for his 20-year fight against the building of a motorway around Boxtel. Boxtel Paul van der Sloot is indeed member of a brass band and he goes all out during the carnival, but in Aruba he is mostly known as the serious lawyer for whom the principles of justice always and everywhere comes in first place. There was a huge disbelief in Aruba when he was arrested for his alleged involvement in disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Boxtel had experienced him as someone who would always persevere and had a thorough manner of working. Paul van der Sloot fought twenty years long (from 1973 until 1993) with local residents against the construction of a southern motorway, that had to be build partly over the estate of the Van der Sloot family. Paul van der Sloot stood his ground and fought civil servants and politicians that had proposed and produced the faulty plans for the new motorway in the Cousil of State. The motorway came eventually but it was not laid through the scenic valuable territory anymore but further away. In his birthplace Boxtel, van der Sloot was criticized a lot because while he was fighting the developments of the new motorway, the dangerous traffic was still led trough Boxel and this was causing accidents and consequently was costing the lives of many people. Van der Sloot was seen as a fault-finder that to prevent the motorway from being build on part of his land, was willing to sacrifice the lives of the youth who attended the schools in the vicinity of the local dangerous streets. Van der Sloot said later on that the criticism hurt him deeply. Tilburg Van der Sloot (53) got his legal education at the University of Tilburg in the seventies. He co-founded the Legal Faculty Association Tilburg and also the faculty newspaper ‘Nondejure'. After he finished his studies he did not went to work for the government, but assisted citizens that had conflicts with the government. It was in that period in Arnhem, where he met a woman Anita (teacher of Artistic Formation) and it was also there were Joran and Valentijn, two of his three suns, were born. New job In 1991 Paul van der Sloot thought it was the time for a new job and he found one in Aruba where he was appointed for five year as a lawyer for the Aruban government. The ministers there were not impressed with his stance „I always first try to find a compromise. By simply prosecuting nobody gets wiser. If the authorities do something wrong I will always admit that. You must never interpret the facts differently then what they are. I am convinced that on the long run this will give better results“, According to Van der Sloot in an interview ten years ago in the Brabants Dagblad. After a while Van der Sloot got a different assigment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts. Van der Sloot considered going back to The Netherlands, but he liked the small scale of Aruba and as it appeared he had enough possibilities to continue with his career. He became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university. Judge Two years ago Van der Sloot Ditch got the opportunity to become a judge. With his background that meant that he had follow a training course of three years. During that training period, he was appointed as a substitute judge in the Antillean court. Van der Sloot completed the training period of a year in the Netherlands recently but he has not conducted a court(hearing) yet. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2008, 09:47:59 PM BTW...I agree with Mum, I think Anita at least helped write that bio. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Pita on September 09, 2008, 10:00:07 PM texasmom I don't have time to look now, but I believe the originals ( PVDS Hx and Boxtel) were from Hasibokas (sp?). We have copies of some of their early blogs...somewhere... Paulus Not a Judge A.M.: "PvdS was never a judge" (Thursday) A.M. Digital (@ Aruba.com) is reporting that Paul van der Sloot was never a judge in the Common Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. Hasibokos.com has been following the Dutch, American and Aruban media and they all post conflicting stories with regard to the postition of Paul van der Sloot. A.M. reported today that they want to correct the false information that is constantly being published and aired, especially by the international (US) media, that Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot, is a judge in the Aruba judicial system. A.M. reported that in 2003, Paul van der Sloot became a deputy judge as part of his formation to become a judge. As such he followed training as his wish was to one day become a Judge in the Common Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. He functioned as a deputy Judge, but always under supervision of an established Judge. Paul van der Sloot was a deputy judge until March 2004. In March 2004 Paul van der Sloot traveled to Holland for a year and when he returned to Aruba in March 2005 he did not receive the required recommendation to become a Judge. The results of his training in Holland were not sufficient to become a Judge, and he was notified by the President of the Common Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba that he cannot function as a judge and has to look for another function. A.M. finshed their bulletin with the following statement: 'We think that for the sake of correctness and objective news distribution, the media, and especially US media such as CNN and Fox News must stop sensacionalizing the entire Holloway drama and quit giving false information to the international public' Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2008, 10:15:07 PM I think "alternate" member is while he was in training...if all went well ::MonkeyRoll:: he would have become a "member" after the training period. JMO
http://tinyurl.com/6bmcjr (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/PVDSAppt2.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2008, 10:24:17 PM I think "alternate" member is while he was in training...if all went well ::MonkeyRoll:: he would have become a "member" after the training period. JMO http://tinyurl.com/6bmcjr (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/PVDSAppt2.jpg) Maybe this one is easier to read.. (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/PVDSappt1.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2008, 11:19:36 PM http://www.artificialreefs.org/Articles/bonairereporterbyfrankhyman19jan2006.pdf
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/PVDSArticle012006Page2.jpg) (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/PVDSArticle012006BonaireReporter.jpg) (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/PVDSArticle012006BonaireReporter2.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: billb's daughter on September 10, 2008, 12:24:42 AM Someone on the Caylee thread has just said that Tim has made it safely to Aruba. Does anyone know if this is for real? I know it is probably more wishful thinking, but wouldn't it be great if Tim/TES suspended the Caylee search not only because of weather in Orlando, but also there is a solid tip in Aruba that will bring the end to the sloots and comfort to the Twitty/Holloway families/friends???? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: finngirl on September 10, 2008, 12:54:11 AM Hi Pita....Thanks There was some discussion a while ago in Shango as to whether the van der Sloots arrived in Aruba in 1990 or 1991. It was in connection as to whether Val was born in Aruba or the Netherlands. IIRC Anita stated 1990 and it may have been in the interview she did about Lorenzo. Known him since a boy, etc etc, which the interview would have been some time after Feb. 3rd of this year. I will check Shango and see if I can find it. found this in my notes: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:25 pm bluebob: Bondia, do you think PVDS is Lorenzo's padre? Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:29 pm bondia: The quote I have is "We met this kid for the first time when he was 9 years old in his father's garage when we took our car to be repaired. The only other thing we know about him is he had problems and was in and out of school and eventually dropped out." This is all I know. Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:31 pm bluebob: Thanks, bondia, and you are quoting ???? I know I have heard that quote b4, but not sure who said it. bondia/Julia Renfro continued posting that night but never responded to bluebob's follow-up question :roll: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 03:27:29 AM This is very interesting about a judge in training :
I found out that a judge in training is A judge ,not full time but for a few days a week . A judge in training has the access to the whole data base and can see (secret info ) what every Jugde can see . This is about a judge in training via google (http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00077/hamer_rechtbank_rech_77957h.jpg) In order to be trained as a judge, you will be court-appointed deputy at one of the courts and follow the course to court. Opleidingsmodaliteiten There are - basically - three opleidingsmodaliteiten. The precise shape and Conditions will be made with the gerechtsbestuur. 1. The most common method is that you next your appointment as Deputy Judge - for some time also be appointed to gerechtsauditeur for a particular number of hours per week (up to 36 hours). 2. In special cases, the gerechtsbestuur half modality more applicable. This implies modality that you - your next appointment to rechterplaatsvervanger -- A designation given to a period to be determined and a further to set number of hours. The remuneration On the basis of the salary scale applicable for a judge to a court. 3. The third variant, the so-called 'eendagsvariant' means that you like in the other cases, court-appointed deputy, but only for a day per week are employed. This variation can o.ä. be applied in the situation where the (still) not desirable is one of the other variants of application ask, for example, your education to be completed in conjunction with your current job. For specific information about the selection procedure you can www.rechtspraak.nl look. Also, all these provisions in the 'Wet legal judicial officials. " The course to judge The course until justice is a dual pathway. That means one that you as rechterplaatsvervanger participates in meervoudigekamerzittingen and comparities, witnesses leads and take decisions on his own name. You shall be guided by experienced judges. Second follow legal and substantive courses and skills training to SSR. You will be trained in the rule in two jurisdictions. The training of SSR and the conclusion so many praktijkbegeleiding possible on each other. The training lasts one to one and a half years. The duration of training depends on your legal work. During the training find interim reviews. Is the final positive, then you are appointment as a judge. More information about the course of justice can be found at www.rechtspraak.nl. Appointed Judge By successfully completing the training you are eligible for appointment as a judge. Once a suitable place is available, recommends the Directors of the court for appointment in this feature. Your appointment is made by Royal Decree and true to life (up to 70 years). Dutch : Om opgeleid te kunnen worden als rechter, wordt u benoemd tot rechter-plaatsvervanger bij één van de gerechten en volgt u de leergang voor rechter. Opleidingsmodaliteiten Er zijn – in hoofdlijnen – drie opleidingsmodaliteiten. Over de precieze vorm en voorwaarden worden afspraken gemaakt met het gerechtsbestuur. 1. De meest gebruikelijke modaliteit is dat u naast uw benoeming tot rechter-plaatsvervanger voor bepaalde tijd tevens wordt benoemd tot gerechtsauditeur voor een bepaald aantal uren per week (maximaal 36 uur). 2. In bijzondere gevallen kan het gerechtsbestuur een tweede modaliteit meer toepasselijk vinden. Deze modaliteit houdt in dat u – naast uw benoeming tot rechterplaatsvervanger – een aanwijzing krijgt voor een nader te bepalen periode en een nader vast te stellen aantal uren. De bezoldiging is op grond van de salarisschaal die geldt voor een rechter bij een rechtbank. 3. De derde variant, de zogenaamde ‘eendagsvariant’, houdt in dat u net als in de andere gevallen wordt benoemd tot rechter-plaatsvervanger, maar slechts gedurende één dag per week werkzaam bent. Deze variant kan o.a. worden toegepast in de situatie waarbij het (nog) niet wenselijk is één van de andere varianten van toepassing te laten zijn, bijvoorbeeld om uw opleiding te kunnen vervullen in combinatie met uw huidige baan. Voor specifieke informatie over de selectieprocedure kunt u op www.rechtspraak.nl kijken. Tevens staan al deze bepalingen in de ‘Wet rechtspositie rechterlijke ambtenaren’. De leergang tot rechter De leergang tot rechter is een duaal leertraject. Dat betekent enerzijds dat u als rechterplaatsvervanger deelneemt aan meervoudigekamerzittingen en comparities, getuigenverhoren leidt en beslissingen neemt op eigen naam. U wordt hierin begeleid door ervaren rechters. Anderzijds volgt u juridisch-inhoudelijke cursussen en vaardigheidstrainingen bij SSR. U wordt in de regel opgeleid in twee rechtsgebieden. De opleidingsactiviteiten van SSR en de praktijkbegeleiding sluiten zoveel mogelijk op elkaar aan. De opleiding duurt één à anderhalf jaar. De duur van de opleiding is afhankelijk van uw juridische werkervaring. Tijdens de opleiding vinden tussentijds beoordelingen plaats. Is de eindbeoordeling positief, dan bent u benoembaar tot rechter. Meer informatie over de leergang tot rechter vindt u op www.rechtspraak.nl. Benoeming tot rechter Bij het succesvol voltooien van de opleiding bent u benoembaar tot rechter. Zodra een geschikte plek beschikbaar is, beveelt het bestuur van het gerecht u voor benoeming in deze functie aan. Uw benoeming geschiedt bij Koninklijk Besluit en geldt voor het leven (tot 70 jaar). Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 03:56:41 AM Vocking :broken eye socket, cheekbone and skull
Ben(http://www.martienbrander.nl/image/vocking.jpg) Now is my next question ::: when started Paul to become a Judge in Training ? Ben Vocking told that Paul vd Sloot helped him in the case against Edoardo Mathew . Did Paul this as a judge or as a lawyer ? what was he at that time ? i think Judge in training About this case The following facts are taken from the Chamber Judgment or Opinion of the European Court of Human Rights On October 9, 2001 Mathew was arrested on Aruba on a charge of inflicting grievous bodily harm. From October 2001 until the end of April 2004 he was detained on remand in the Aruba Correctional Institution (Korrektie Inrichting Aruba), (KIA). During most of that time, he was in solitary confinement. On November 29, 2001 an incident took place in which the acting KIA governor was very seriously injured (broken eye socket, cheekbone and skull) and for which the applicant was subsequently convicted of inflicting serious bodily harm. Following the incident, the Mathew was placed in solitary confinement for 35 days. Thereafter, on January 4, 2002, a special detention regime was imposed on him, aimed at keeping him away from the other prisoners. He was not allowed to leave his cell without handcuffs around his wrists and fetters around his ankles (the use of fetters was discontinued after a certain time). Contact with the outside world was also limited. On two other occasions after the Mathew had, among other things, assaulted prison staff, he was also denied visits or use of the telephone for 28 days. From the time when the Mathew was first detained there until some time between August and October 2002, there was a large opening in the roof of the applicant’s cell through which the rain penetrated. The cell was located on the second and top floor of the KIA prison building and exposed its occupant to the heat of the sun. Iced water was provided; there was, however, no air conditioner or other cooling system. There were no lifts. As from June 2002 the applicant was found to be suffering from a serious spinal condition. Aruba’s only neurosurgeon found that the applicant had a lumbar discal hernia and considered surgery to be appropriate. He asked for the applicant to be examined by another neurosurgeon for a second opinion, which did not happen. The applicant was provided with a wheelchair on August 14 2002, but permission to use it was withdrawn following an incident on 13 February 2003, when he ripped a piece of metal off his wheelchair and used it as a weapon against prison staff. On February 19 2003 Mathew began court proceedings requesting more comfortable detention conditions. Among other things, he complained that his cell was unsanitary and that he was made to walk down two flights of stairs to meet visitors, take outside exercise or go to hospital, and that he was denied physiotherapy and a wheelchair. A local court ordered the prison to review the need for continuing the special regime at regular intervals. On April 14 2003 Mathew was found guilty as charged on appeal by the Joint Court of Justice for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, which stated that it had imposed a considerably lower sentence (three years and six months instead of five years) than would normally be justified by the applicant’s crimes, in view of the unusual severity of the regime imposed on him while on remand. Mathew received physiotherapy in hospital from 23 May until 13 June 2003. It was intended he should continue to receive physiotherapy as an outpatient. However, his physiotherapy sessions were discontinued. The applicant maintained that his physical condition prevented him from walking from his cell to the vehicle which was to take him to hospital and from sitting up straight in the vehicle. Mathew would normally have been eligible for early release on 27 January 2004. This, however, was refused him on grounds related to his behaviour in prison. A physiotherapist who examined Mathew on 6 March 2004 described him as able, despite going nine months without treatment, to walk a distance of at least 90 meters and carry out complex physical actions such as twisting his body and walking stairs. Mathew was released by order of the Minister of Justice of Aruba on April 30 2004 (by which time his application before the European Court of Human Rights had been communicated to the Netherlands Government). The Court considered photographs and assessed the facts in detail in its Chamber judgment. On September 29, 2005, the Court held, unanimously, that there had been a violation of Article 3 (prohibition of inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment) of the European Convention on Human Rights, in that: * the applicant was detained in solitary confinement for an excessive and unnecessarily protracted period; * he was detained for at least seven months in a cell which failed to provide adequate protection against the weather and the climate; and, * he had had to endure unnecessary and avoidable physical suffering in order to gain access to outdoor exercise and fresh air. Under Article 41 (just satisfaction) of the Convention, the Court awarded the applicant 10,000 euros (EUR) for non-pecuniary damage and EUR 3,000 for costs and expenses (http://www.vocking.com/organisatie/images/organisatie_worsten.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 10, 2008, 06:56:14 AM The TES lead might be the Monserat area. Did a witness emerge?
http://www.diario-aruba.com/200809104189/Local/Pana-di-Joran-tabata-tur-na-lodo-canando-banda-di-dam-di-Monserat...Prome-parti-di-revelacion-nobo-di-testigo.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 06:59:49 AM I think "alternate" member is while he was in training...if all went well ::MonkeyRoll:: he would have become a "member" after the training period. JMO http://tinyurl.com/6bmcjr (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/PVDSAppt2.jpg) Maybe this one is easier to read.. (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/PVDSappt1.jpg) Johan...It appears that Paulus took up his alternate position on 1/1/2003. So yes he would have been a Judge in training for some of the time Mathre had problems and working for the AG's office the rest of the time. Lots of confusion over Paulus' timeline and exactly what he was employed doing and by whom! 5 year contract with the Aruban government then 8 years as Private Secretary to the AG...different appointed AGs, upheaval of governments, coalition of governments and changes of governments. Hmmmm and through all that Paulus kept his job... Was the 5 year Lands Advocate job the one with contracts? I don't think so reading back on Easy and Kermit's discussions. One shouldn't need to make their job history that confusing. Still trying to sort through this but it appears to me that both his positions were in the same building KABNAA. Paulus positions whatever they really were cover an interesting time period and some interesting revelations by the US government... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 07:03:23 AM The TES lead might be the Monserat area. Did a witness emerge? http://www.diario-aruba.com/200809104189/Local/Pana-di-Joran-tabata-tur-na-lodo-canando-banda-di-dam-di-Monserat...Prome-parti-di-revelacion-nobo-di-testigo.html We were told last Spring that there is a witness. It's over in the Shango thread somewhere. The witness supposedly saw Urine walking odwn the street covered with mud. His presense woke the dogs that belonged to the family. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 07:03:45 AM The TES lead might be the Monserat area. Did a witness emerge? http://www.diario-aruba.com/200809104189/Local/Pana-di-Joran-tabata-tur-na-lodo-canando-banda-di-dam-di-Monserat...Prome-parti-di-revelacion-nobo-di-testigo.html Buckeye...pretty sure that is the one that TES went over before they left Aruba last time with the side scanner...and no idea what that article says...LOL Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 07:05:53 AM Good Morning, Mum. ::MonkeyWink::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 10, 2008, 07:07:02 AM Well, it's hit today's Diario and has been posted at RU. Maybe Sandy can translate.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 07:07:42 AM The TES lead might be the Monserat area. Did a witness emerge? http://www.diario-aruba.com/200809104189/Local/Pana-di-Joran-tabata-tur-na-lodo-canando-banda-di-dam-di-Monserat...Prome-parti-di-revelacion-nobo-di-testigo.html Rush translation...LOL cloths of joran was all at mud canando near of dam of monserat...prome part of revelacion new of witness... wednesday, 10 september 2008 00:00 local oranjestad (aan): one witness clave, y cu owing to stay prove now cu the is papiando berdad, is treciendo claridad so wait for in the caso of desaparicion of natalee holloway at half 2005 at aruba. at last after of was follow the acontecimento new here of the witness for several month end, now daily paper owing to achieve the resultadonan back for present the first part of the declaracion of the witness here.inmediatamente daily paper have of go back remarca, cu the first part here is in power of fiscal mr. mos at aruba, but do not conoci kico exactly past owing to haci cune.e second part cu will aparece soon in daily paper, is contene informacion cu ministerio publico of aruba not know of dje (ainda), simplemente because cada trip cu the witness is give declaracion, the is haye poni in one angle cu the temor of bay achieve represaya. the witness here, one man naci at aruba, owing to bay till merca where past owing to happen test of polygrafo, y owing to stay demostra cu the is papiando berdad.testigo tana palabratabata the night of 30 of half 2005, cu the was sleep in camber at home, hour cu past owing to arouse debi at cantidad of cacho cu was blaf for of control, y on one tone much alarming. the witness owing to open eye, become look at holoshi y see cu is 4:05 owing to.m.scuchando the direccion of blafmento, past owing to bay of trip in sitting-room of his cas y observa kico the cachonan was blaf so tanto y cu urgencia. bao of one tree of luz of caya, past owing to see one person is march in direccion of his cas. the was come for of direccion of veld of nacional close of the dam of monserat, bayendo pabao direccion of hotelnan. the person at leg owing to happen bao of the next luz of caya, y the witness owing to see the person here good y claramente. the was one person notablemente high, delega, masculino, color of cuero cla, cabey dark cortico, one person relativamente young y this was seems of is one dutch. also past owing to look at the form (profil) of cabez y one near of his cara.e cloths cu the had dress is one flanel color cora y one carson largo color cla.riparable is cu the person here was march is cu one near of leg is ‘limp', y here the witness owing to see cu the was miss one leg of zapato or keds. the is calcula cu at the form cu the was march of near, the was miss his zapato or keds of his leg right.algo cu past owing to notice also, is cu the person on caya was breathe extremadamente much pisa because; sifuera the was core duro for enough rato. his pecho was subi-baha very rapido self. cloths tabatamuha also the witness owing to follow declara (y prove via test cu the is papiando berdad), cu the person on caya had cloths wet, y the had one ray much notable of water of mud cu was arrive till on his pecho, because; 5 centimeter on his pecho, more or younger on his flanel.e ray on his flanel was show claramente, y of the ray of water of mud come abao the was completamente wet.prome the witness owing to think cu the person here owing to end of fight, y owing to leave core for her not achieve more golpi. the near of his cara cu the witness can owing to see, was show sinembargo of is pound of golpi or blood.pero debi cu the person here not owing to look at none rato self his slow, for check if acaso have person is siguie, y is follow march cabez abao y cu one velocidad enough acelera, the witness owing to think cu is another cos the owing to haci but not bringamento. the person owing to follow happen fast his cas, y follow march bay, till hour cu past owing to lose for of view, y none rato the person here owing to look at at high or see behind, y owing to follow march in direccion of hotelnan.tur the cos here owing to happen in one time of because; 1 minuut.despues cu past owing to lose the person here of view, the witness owing to stay sit in sitting-room for because; 15 till 20 minuut first cu past owing to bay sleep back.(nota of diario: here have algo cu owing to socede again, but the witness not owing to divulga at autoridad local, but if at investigadornan mericano. in proximo edicion daily paper will relata kico past owing to see after, y cu the test polygrafo owing to demostra cu ey also the is talk berdad). the witness owing to arise morning y owing to bay trabao normal, y for near of 11:00 owing to.m. the news owing to happen via radio cu past owing to achieve know cu have one tourist teenager cu not owing to arrive his hotel back. at once past owing to corda on thing past owing to see one pair of hour first.despues cu the news owing to become more big, y cu they owing to cuminza detene y encarcela hendenan robez, the witness owing to feel his self descurasha for bay fast, y also after cu past owing to look at the young joran van der sloot in news, past owing to reconoce the person here at once.joran is the person cu past owing to see is march cu cloths wet fast his cas the madruga ey. but hour cu past owing to hear cu the father of joran is advocate y studiando for become huez, y cu the is amigo intimo of boss high of police, etc., this owing to end of descurashe totalmente. the will not feel his self safe if the bay fast the hour because; witness.pa colmo, sabiendo cu the sistema huridico hudicial of aruba is totalmente in hand of dutch, past owing to haye forza at stay keto. this owing to last because; 2 year y pico, till at end of 2007 hour cu at last past owing to cuminza feel cu the have of revela thing past owing to see, y so owing to cuminza leave poco-poco fast, for splica kico past owing to see at his cas, cu is stay because; 500 metre far for of the dam of monserat at north. the witness here owing to achieve advocate also for can defende, because the caso big here is implica automaticamente cu even testigonan have of is good prepara for achieve defence hudicial, y also conseho. all the time, the mericanonan cu permission of police, owing to haci one test of sonar at dam of monserat y esey owing to socede at comienzo of the year here, hour cu the level of water was enough abao eyden. daily paper owing to achieve know, cu the test here, owing to señala cu the sonar owing to descubri "15 obheto" in suelo, y cu they can owing to defini only 3 of they.pero in another articulo, daily paper is show con fiscal mr. mos owing to as neither haci caso of this, y more bien owing to deal of descredita the witness, cu owing to ponebo pensa: of berdad they wanted defende van der sloot cueste thing cueste? come across Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 07:12:32 AM Good Morning, Mum. ::MonkeyWink:: Morning SS...thought the one Caps mentioned was sitting on his porch... ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 07:18:03 AM The TES lead might be the Monserat area. Did a witness emerge? http://www.diario-aruba.com/200809104189/Local/Pana-di-Joran-tabata-tur-na-lodo-canando-banda-di-dam-di-Monserat...Prome-parti-di-revelacion-nobo-di-testigo.html Buckeye...pretty sure that is the one that TES went over before they left Aruba last time with the side scanner...and no idea what that article says...LOL You are correct, Mum. TES did do a scan of the pond in Manserat. It was late February or early March and the photographs are in Shango. According to OE, the pond was drained based on some things that TES had seen and they determined that the pond had to be drained in order to investigate. Draining the pond was delayed because of the Chavez problem and the strike on Aruba. The Dutch Coast Guard ship took the mysterious contents of the lobster cage and TES left the island. We have photographs of the pond and those huge drainage pipes after everything was drained. Supposedly a Dutch team of 40 - 50 people with dogs came in to investigate the pond and the area around the pond. Nothing was ever released about the results, which is typical ALE. A witness was also identified who claims to have seen Urine walking down the street that night, covered with mud. There were some hints that something was found in the pond, but that's all we ever heard. We later heard that Natalee could have been put in the Masonic Lodge cemetery. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 07:21:18 AM SS...I will check my sitemeter history but I am sure that on Monday some-one was looking up something I think could have been related to this...from Aruba of course... ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 07:29:25 AM SS...I will check my sitemeter history but I am sure that on Monday some-one was looking up something I think could have been related to this...from Aruba of course... ::MonkeyHaHa:: Mum, I have to go, but do you remember when this all happened? It's in Shango, but I have no idea where at this point. We were definitely told that a witness saw Urine walking down the street covered with mud and that the dogs were going crazy. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 07:33:39 AM SS...I will check my sitemeter history but I am sure that on Monday some-one was looking up something I think could have been related to this...from Aruba of course... ::MonkeyHaHa:: Mum, I have to go, but do you remember when this all happened? It's in Shango, but I have no idea where at this point. We were definitely told that a witness saw Urine walking down the street covered with mud and that the dogs were going crazy. SS...I will check my Index and post the link to the discussions... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 10, 2008, 07:55:52 AM Posted May 5 2008
Jonathan45 at scrux PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: The real update On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month. I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone. To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog. Today I will seal my lips too. http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225 Caps reply: How strange.... Today in matter of fact, the ALE got this special dog that is trained to sniff drugs, money and human remains. it has arrived yesterday. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379230 :smt102 :smt102 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 08:18:32 AM Not from Shango...still looking
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2582.msg344607#msg344607 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #726 2/7 « Reply #282 on: February 08, 2008, 01:59:38 AM »Caps I know, Tip line no good, He need to open his mbox a Midnight aowl (SHOCO) saw him from his veranda at 3:44 passing in fornt of his house....All in muddy from the wate down.... Have new google earth. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 08:22:35 AM Monserat area is in the northern part
but ............ were exactly ????????? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 08:22:58 AM Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #726 2/7 on: February 08, 2008, 12:14:38 AM Klassend: Lala: I know now 100% sure that they never went to the beach. and 100% sure what XTC DNA stands for. My location is now 100% bullet proef. "HE WAS WALKING FACE DOWN IN THE SECONDARY ROAD, WASTLINE DOWN DIRTY OF MUD AND WAS MISSING THE RIGHT FOOD SHOE" He never went to the beach. CAPS http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2582.msg344553#msg344553 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 10, 2008, 08:28:40 AM Monserat area is in the northern part but ............ were exactly ????????? johan I can't read pap, but the picture in Diario is of the Monserat pond/dam area, by the soccer fields, that we discussed before. Remember...the chinese restaurant nearby...and they drained or the damed area dried out.... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 08:48:30 AM Monserat area is in the northern part but ............ were exactly ????????? Johan...Rob posted maps of it before here and Caps posted the pics of the big pipes... A couple more hints in Shango about the witness and his porch and Joran with one shoe...think I may have found the discussions Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 09:13:41 AM The discussions I found were about the search with the boat...Caps may have discussed it further after that...
Not sure if Diario is saying part 1 and 2? I thought the Dutch had sent people to search that pond as well...If that is the case it would not make sense for that to be the reason TES is going there? Need to try and reread Diario and see is there is any new info in it??? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 10, 2008, 09:19:33 AM Posted by Pearl at BFN:
What I make of it : A tourist inside his room/casa at 4:05 saw by a tree, dam of Montseret - hotel 1 person, notably tall male, color of cuero cla (white?) saw good and clear clothes flanel color leg limp in right leg breathing heavily clothes were wet and muddy much color flanel much lb of blood showing wet with water and mud watched til went out of site went in direction of hotel tourist heard of case of missing girl knew had seen pair recognized male as Joran when saw photo in paper afraid when heard father in power with police friends witness didn't feel safe the Madruga 500 meters from dam of montseret at north sonor test of some water water level caused stop like Mos knew of witness tried to discredit defending Joran Diario knowing this for months. Will give more soon witness is in states, has an attorney has passed 2 polygraph tests he was in his room and saw this. Posted by angelalala at BFN: Well... here's my unedited response from Jossy... Angela, Hi. Hope everything's okay with you and your family. I'm confident that with this new development, and if Mos doesn't interfere by destroying evidence, we will see an end to this very sad case. Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon. We are willing to take on Mos and whomever else wants to raise obstacles in the path to the solution of the Nathalie case. We have some pretty good information now that can open the road to a definite solution to the case. It will all depend on how strongly the prosecution will want to oppose our findings. Personally, and from what I've seen in this case, I don't trust those people. You can use anything I tell you in any public forum. Take care Jossy Thanks to all. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 09:25:40 AM Posted by Pearl at BFN: What I make of it : A tourist inside his room/casa at 4:05 saw by a tree, dam of Montseret - hotel 1 person, notably tall male, color of cuero cla (white?) saw good and clear clothes flanel color leg limp in right leg breathing heavily clothes were wet and muddy much color flanel much lb of blood showing wet with water and mud watched til went out of site went in direction of hotel tourist heard of case of missing girl knew had seen pair recognized male as Joran when saw photo in paper afraid when heard father in power with police friends witness didn't feel safe the Madruga 500 meters from dam of montseret at north sonor test of some water water level caused stop like Mos knew of witness tried to discredit defending Joran Diario knowing this for months. Will give more soon witness is in states, has an attorney has passed 2 polygraph tests he was in his room and saw this. Posted by angelalala at BFN: Well... here's my unedited response from Jossy... Angela, Hi. Hope everything's okay with you and your family. I'm confident that with this new development, and if Mos doesn't interfere by destroying evidence, we will see an end to this very sad case. Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon. We are willing to take on Mos and whomever else wants to raise obstacles in the path to the solution of the Nathalie case. We have some pretty good information now that can open the road to a definite solution to the case. It will all depend on how strongly the prosecution will want to oppose our findings. Personally, and from what I've seen in this case, I don't trust those people. You can use anything I tell you in any public forum. Take care Jossy Thanks to all. Thanks Buckeye for bringing that over....Interesting... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 09:29:08 AM Posted by Pearl at BFN: WOW....I'm at work, but maybe I need to take a personal day! ::MonkeyEek::What I make of it : A tourist inside his room/casa at 4:05 saw by a tree, dam of Montseret - hotel 1 person, notably tall male, color of cuero cla (white?) saw good and clear clothes flanel color leg limp in right leg breathing heavily clothes were wet and muddy much color flanel much lb of blood showing wet with water and mud watched til went out of site went in direction of hotel tourist heard of case of missing girl knew had seen pair recognized male as Joran when saw photo in paper afraid when heard father in power with police friends witness didn't feel safe the Madruga 500 meters from dam of montseret at north sonor test of some water water level caused stop like Mos knew of witness tried to discredit defending Joran Diario knowing this for months. Will give more soon witness is in states, has an attorney has passed 2 polygraph tests he was in his room and saw this. Posted by angelalala at BFN: Well... here's my unedited response from Jossy... Angela, Hi. Hope everything's okay with you and your family. I'm confident that with this new development, and if Mos doesn't interfere by destroying evidence, we will see an end to this very sad case. Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon. We are willing to take on Mos and whomever else wants to raise obstacles in the path to the solution of the Nathalie case. We have some pretty good information now that can open the road to a definite solution to the case. It will all depend on how strongly the prosecution will want to oppose our findings. Personally, and from what I've seen in this case, I don't trust those people. You can use anything I tell you in any public forum. Take care Jossy Thanks to all. Thanks for the information! Please keep it coming! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 10, 2008, 09:32:01 AM About time!! Wondered how long anyone would wait. If it is Caps witness, I never heard mention of Paulus in the story. Nevertheless, this could be relatively good news. Keep in mind that you have to prove everything to ALE down there so who knows...this could be much ado again only to get our hopes bashed once more.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 10, 2008, 09:56:56 AM Posted by Pearl at BFN: What I make of it : A tourist inside his room/casa at 4:05 saw Caps said it was somebody that lived on island. by a tree, dam of Montseret - hotel 1 person, notably tall male, color of cuero cla (white?) saw good and clear clothes flanel color I wonder what color that is...red maybe? leg limp in right leg breathing heavily clothes were wet and muddy This is the same as Caps witness story. much color flanel much lb of blood showing Never heard anything about blood. wet with water and mud watched til went out of site went in direction of hotel tourist heard of case of missing girl Caps witness was not a tourist. knew had seen pair recognized male as Joran when saw photo in paper afraid when heard father in power with police friends witness didn't feel safe This is exactly like Caps witness story. the Madruga 500 meters from dam of montseret at north sonor test of some water water level caused stop like Mos knew of witness tried to discredit defending Joran Diario knowing this for months. Will give more soon witness is in states, has an attorney has passed 2 polygraph tests he was in his room and saw this. Caps witness went to an attorney...not in a hotel room. Posted by angelalala at BFN: Well... here's my unedited response from Jossy... Angela, Hi. Hope everything's okay with you and your family. I'm confident that with this new development, and if Mos doesn't interfere by destroying evidence, we will see an end to this very sad case. Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon. We are willing to take on Mos and whomever else wants to raise obstacles in the path to the solution of the Nathalie case. We have some pretty good information now that can open the road to a definite solution to the case. It will all depend on how strongly the prosecution will want to oppose our findings. Personally, and from what I've seen in this case, I don't trust those people. You can use anything I tell you in any public forum. Take care Jossy Thanks to all. This must be someone else besides Caps witness...because only a few things fit with what I know about the witness. So maybe this is corroborating evidence to go with Caps witness too. Mos always insisted that there be someone else to back up what was said or seen. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 10:13:20 AM I'll repost a bunch of maps and photos for those unaware of the pond and the info in the Shango thread. Feel free to copy any of the images.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/destinypondpicture2.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CARIBBEANPALMBEACH6.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CARIBBEANPALMBEACH4.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CARIBBEANPALMBEACH3.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ARUBAPOINTSOFINTEREST1.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ARUBAPOINTSOFINTEREST1.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/39FMONTANJA1.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/DEEPAKSROUTE6.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/DEEPAKSROUTE8.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SANTAANACHURCH6.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mcdonaldstomattyapartments2.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mcdonaldstomattyapartments4.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/routesjoranmayhavetakenhome2.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/routesjoranmayhavetakenhome1.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/complex10.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/complex8.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND17-1.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond55.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND48.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND50.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond36.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond33.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond38.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond40.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond8.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond6.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND10.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 10, 2008, 10:51:04 AM I'll repost a bunch of maps and photos for those unaware of the pond and the info in the Shango thread. Feel free to copy any of the images. (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/destinypondpicture2.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CARIBBEANPALMBEACH6.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CARIBBEANPALMBEACH4.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CARIBBEANPALMBEACH3.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ARUBAPOINTSOFINTEREST1.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ARUBAPOINTSOFINTEREST1.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/39FMONTANJA1.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/DEEPAKSROUTE6.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/DEEPAKSROUTE8.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SANTAANACHURCH6.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mcdonaldstomattyapartments2.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mcdonaldstomattyapartments4.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/routesjoranmayhavetakenhome2.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/routesjoranmayhavetakenhome1.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/complex10.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/complex8.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND17-1.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond55.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND48.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND50.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond36.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond33.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond38.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond40.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond8.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond6.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND10.jpg) Yea...my photo Diario took for us...there were 3 in total I think....am calling Aruba again right now....Des Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 10:53:51 AM Posted May 5 2008 Jonathan45 at scrux PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: The real update On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month. I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone. To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog. Today I will seal my lips too. http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225 Caps reply: How strange.... Today in matter of fact, the ALE got this special dog that is trained to sniff drugs, money and human remains. it has arrived yesterday. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379230 :smt102 :smt102 Two of my favorite people, Capslock and J45! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 11:07:10 AM When I looked at this again - I thought this ->
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/destinypondpicture3-2.jpg) then I said no way... no way... no way... no way... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Altruist on September 10, 2008, 11:17:13 AM Early hours of today I was fortunate to have a conversation with two people who have experience with Search & Rescue (SAR) dogs. Pretty much dogs in the USA are trained for one scent.
So in the USA, a dog is trained for a drugs, may even be specific drugs, didn't ask are trained to search for people's scents, or are cadaver. In the USA there is not a dog that does all, they are specialists, per se. Just thought I would share, it is fascinating. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 11:19:20 AM Posted May 5 2008 Jonathan45 at scrux PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: The real update On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month. I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone. To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog. Today I will seal my lips too. http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225 Caps reply: How strange.... Today in matter of fact, the ALE got this special dog that is trained to sniff drugs, money and human remains. it has arrived yesterday. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379230 :smt102 :smt102 Two of my favorite people, Capslock and J45! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Altruist on September 10, 2008, 11:27:33 AM wow Rob, never even thought about that when previously looking at that photo but with that 5 gallon bucket (what it looks like) sitting there which it would take like what do you figure 4+ of those lined up to make it over 5'?
Uggghhhhhhh. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 10, 2008, 11:58:39 AM THIS JUST IN FROM ARUBA via email after I called...Destiny:
HalloXXXXXXX The information I get is that the witness is a male. He has make his polygraph test with Jhn S. Swartz. That the information was already in hands of Fiscal Mr. Mos but he hasn't do anything about it. But now that we have it in the newspaper its a big news again. I let you know as soon I have more information about it. We stay in touch Bye have a nice day XXXXXXXXXX Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 12:09:30 PM THIS JUST IN FROM ARUBA via email after I called...Destiny: HalloXXXXXXX The information I get is that the witness is a male. He has make his polygraph test with Jhn S. Swartz. That the information was already in hands of Fiscal Mr. Mos but he hasn't do anything about it. But now that we have it in the newspaper its a big news again. I let you know as soon I have more information about it. We stay in touch Bye have a nice day XXXXXXXXXX Thanks Destiny! IMO we owe alot of this current activitiy in the case to a few in ARUBA who haven't given up and refuse to coverup! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: dennisintn on September 10, 2008, 12:33:41 PM texasmom I don't have time to look now, but I believe the originals ( PVDS Hx and Boxtel) were from Hasibokas (sp?). We have copies of some of their early blogs...somewhere... Paulus Not a Judge A.M.: "PvdS was never a judge" (Thursday) A.M. Digital (@ Aruba.com) is reporting that Paul van der Sloot was never a judge in the Common Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. Hasibokos.com has been following the Dutch, American and Aruban media and they all post conflicting stories with regard to the postition of Paul van der Sloot. A.M. reported today that they want to correct the false information that is constantly being published and aired, especially by the international (US) media, that Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot, is a judge in the Aruba judicial system. A.M. reported that in 2003, Paul van der Sloot became a deputy judge as part of his formation to become a judge. As such he followed training as his wish was to one day become a Judge in the Common Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. He functioned as a deputy Judge, but always under supervision of an established Judge. Paul van der Sloot was a deputy judge until March 2004. In March 2004 Paul van der Sloot traveled to Holland for a year and when he returned to Aruba in March 2005 he did not receive the required recommendation to become a Judge. The results of his training in Holland were not sufficient to become a Judge, and he was notified by the President of the Common Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba that he cannot function as a judge and has to look for another function. A.M. finshed their bulletin with the following statement: 'We think that for the sake of correctness and objective news distribution, the media, and especially US media such as CNN and Fox News must stop sensacionalizing the entire Holloway drama and quit giving false information to the international public' this is probably the most complete and accurate sounding description of his situation that i have read. anita was still saying he was a judge in training or just judge during interviews after natalee disappeared. when paulus sued for restitution for being arrested, one of his bosses testified that in april or may of 2005, it had been decided to not renew his employment contract when it ran out lst of jan. 06. he collected his full salary even after he was banned from his office that summer. dennisintn Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 12:42:50 PM THIS JUST IN FROM ARUBA via email after I called...Destiny: HalloXXXXXXX The information I get is that the witness is a male. He has make his polygraph test with Jhn S. Swartz. That the information was already in hands of Fiscal Mr. Mos but he hasn't do anything about it. But now that we have it in the newspaper its a big news again. I let you know as soon I have more information about it. We stay in touch Bye have a nice day XXXXXXXXXX Thanks Destiny! IMO we owe alot of this current activitiy in the case to a few in ARUBA who haven't given up and refuse to coverup! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: carpe noctem on September 10, 2008, 12:46:23 PM http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: carpe noctem on September 10, 2008, 12:46:53 PM oops!!!! forgive me.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 12:51:50 PM THIS JUST IN FROM ARUBA via email after I called...Destiny: HalloXXXXXXX The information I get is that the witness is a male. He has make his polygraph test with Jhn S. Swartz. That the information was already in hands of Fiscal Mr. Mos but he hasn't do anything about it. But now that we have it in the newspaper its a big news again. I let you know as soon I have more information about it. We stay in touch Bye have a nice day XXXXXXXXXX Thanks Destiny...Then I take it this is not what you were referring to the other day? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: mom2eloise on September 10, 2008, 01:04:35 PM Hi to everyone, I've been reading here for years but have never posted.
Just wanted to comment re the "limp" noted in the statement by the witness. If you read further you will see the words "limp" followed by "zapatoes" and "ked". Urine was limping because he was only wearing one shoe. Other one must have been lost in the mud. Michele Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: mom2eloise on September 10, 2008, 01:07:11 PM Here's the quote I was referring to:
person here was march is cu one near of leg is ‘limp', y here the witness owing to see cu the was miss one leg of zapato or keds. the is calcula cu at the form cu the was march of near, the was miss his zapato or keds of his leg right.algo cu past owing to notice also, Michele Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 01:18:24 PM Hi to everyone, I've been reading here for years but have never posted. Just wanted to comment re the "limp" noted in the statement by the witness. If you read further you will see the words "limp" followed by "zapatoes" and "ked". Urine was limping because he was only wearing one shoe. Other one must have been lost in the mud. Michele Thanks mom2eloise and Welcome! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 10, 2008, 01:21:48 PM Hi to everyone, I've been reading here for years but have never posted. Just wanted to comment re the "limp" noted in the statement by the witness. If you read further you will see the words "limp" followed by "zapatoes" and "ked". Urine was limping because he was only wearing one shoe. Other one must have been lost in the mud. Michele Thanks mom2eloise and Welcome! Ah!!! Those pesky tennis shoes again!!!! Didn't Joran tell Patrick von Eem he just made the tennis shoe thing up? That probably means he didn't. Welcome from here, too, mom2eloise! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 10, 2008, 01:24:10 PM THIS JUST IN FROM ARUBA via email after I called...Destiny: HalloXXXXXXX The information I get is that the witness is a male. He has make his polygraph test with Jhn S. Swartz. That the information was already in hands of Fiscal Mr. Mos but he hasn't do anything about it. But now that we have it in the newspaper its a big news again. I let you know as soon I have more information about it. We stay in touch Bye have a nice day XXXXXXXXXX Thanks Destiny! IMO we owe alot of this current activitiy in the case to a few in ARUBA who haven't given up and refuse to coverup! And it seems we have another Dutch Prosecutor working on the defense team of the Van der Sloots. Thank God for Jossy. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 01:35:31 PM Posted May 5 2008 Jonathan45 at scrux PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: The real update On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month. I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone. To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog. Today I will seal my lips too. http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225 Caps reply: How strange.... Today in matter of fact, the ALE got this special dog that is trained to sniff drugs, money and human remains. it has arrived yesterday. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379230 :smt102 :smt102 Two of my favorite people, Capslock and J45! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 01:36:24 PM Posted May 5 2008 Jonathan45 at scrux PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: The real update On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month. I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone. To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog. Today I will seal my lips too. http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225 Caps reply: How strange.... Today in matter of fact, the ALE got this special dog that is trained to sniff drugs, money and human remains. it has arrived yesterday. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379230 :smt102 :smt102 Another post of Caps from the link that Buckeye posted above...I believe Caps posted at a later time that Mos was not on their side « Reply #1348 on: May 06, 2008, 12:06:59 AM » Caps -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.) After deliberating with withness on this, we conclude 3 things that might come out of this. The case will break wide open and all players will be found or they came in secret now that the water has gone to do a forensic and find Natalee remains or cleanup what they could not cleanup in 3 years and say "se la vi" to the case MOS seems to go for option-1 but like I said, he still have to fight a Dirtyhand in his Office / organization. Latest is that OM is now in hot water since they also have somehow exceed the 2001 till 2005 budged (OVER SPEND), also no one was watching the money that they were collecting from big fines and other confiscated moneys. The is a problem (hot scandal comming out soon from this office.) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 01:38:56 PM Hi Caps ... thought you might be back today ::MonkeyWink::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ldstlou on September 10, 2008, 01:40:42 PM e-mailed to me from a friend:
Quote Top article on page 3… JORAN SEEN FULL OF MUD WALKING NEAR THE Dam WITH ONLY ONE TENNIS SHOE ON HIS FEET… THE DAM AT MONSERAT GETTING NEW ATTENTION IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE ORANJESTAD (AAN) Perhaps many will say today that God is great, and in a meticulous way does His work so that every crime has hidden clues so that the solution may be reached. Today it has gone so far that DIARIO can reveal officially to the people that at last a masculine witness has come forward. This witness felt he could no longer hold back, and at last gave his complete declaration as to what he saw at the end of May 2005, at 4'oclock in the morning, from the window of his living room. Due to his fear of reprisals, he only gave to the local authorities a parcial statement, in other words that he saw Joran walk past his house at 4:05 a.m. , walking strangely because he only had one tennis shoe on. The local authorities, principally Prosecutor Mr. Mos, was acting very hostile towards this witness, and that made the witness hold back the totality of his story to him as to what happened. Nevertheless, with the American investigators and to his lawyer he gave the complete story, not just the part regarding Joran alone. Parts of the complete story will appear later in the DIARIO. But, the first aspect of the story of this witness, immediately created suspicion by the Americans. Even though he lives at about 1.9 kilometers from the Fishermen Huts, his declaration can have important implications to complete this big puzzle. The Americans wanted more assurances and asked the witness to travel to the United States, where one of the most trusted experts in Polygraph Examinations, the famous John S. Swastz, made the test with him, to determine whether this Aruban witness was lying. He passed all the examinations perfectly, and John Swartz is convinced that this witness is telling the truth about what he saw at 4 a.m. in front of his house. Even though Prosecutor Mr. Mos and also the Van Der Sloot family, want to or not, this gives a complete turnaround in the whole investigation. Today DIARIO focuses on the first part of the declaration of the witness. What is being published today is what the local authority (e.o. Prosecutor Mos) know from him, since they have his signed declaration. But the next publication which will appear in the DIARIO, will reveal more than the authorities in Aruba know. This is something that the local witness did not dare tell the local detectives nor to the prosecution that received him in the beginning. He was too afraid to do so. But, to the Americans he did give his complete declaration, and he passed a Lie-Detector test in the United States to prove that he was telling the truth. Main article on page 3 (bottom) JORAN'S CLOTHES WERE FULL OF MUD WHEN HE WAS WALKING NEAR THE DAM AT MONSERAT First part of the new revelations by the witness ORANJESTAD(AAN) A new witness who has proven to be speaking the truth, is bringing the long-awaited clarity in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in May 2005 in Aruba. At last, after studying the new revelations of the witness during the last few months, now DIARIO has gotten the results back from the U.S. about the first part of his declaration. DIARIO again wants to put emphasis on the fact that Prosecutor Mos has knowledge of this part, but doesn't know what he did with it. The second part which will appear soon in the DIARIO contains information that the Prosecution of Aruba has no knowledge of at this point, simply because every time the witness gave his declaration he was pushed into a corner of fear for reprisals. This witness, a man born in Aruba, went to the United States where he took and passed a polygraph test successfully. THE WITNESS SPEAKS: It was on the night of the 30th of May2005 that he was asleep in his room at his house, when he was awoken by the sound of numerous dogs barking out of control and in very menacing tones. The witness opened his eyes, looked at the watch and saw that it was 4:05 in the morning. Listening to the direction from which the sounds of the dogs were coming, he went to the living room of his house and observed what the dogs were barking at with such urgency. Under a street lamp he saw a person walking in the direction of his house. He was coming from the sports field of Nacional, near the Dam of Monserat, going in the direction of the hotels. The person on foot passed under the following street lamp and the witness saw the person very well and clearly. He was a notably tall, thin, masculine, white skin, short dark hair, a relatively young man who looked like a Dutchman. He also saw the form (profile) of his head and one side of his face. The clothes he had on was a red tee shirt and long clear colored pants . Remarcable was that this person was walking with a limp, and here is where the witness saw that he lacked one tennis shoe. He calculated that from the way he was walking, he was missing the tennis shoes of his right foot. Another thing that he noticed was that the person was breathing heavily, as if he had been running for quite a while. His chest was heaving up and down rapidly. CLOTHES WERE WET The witness continued to declare (and proved with his test that he was telling the truth) that the man he saw had on wet clothes, and had a notable stripe of muddy waters that reached to his chest, about 5 centimeters more or less over his flannel. The stripe on his flannel showed clearly that from the muddy waters going down his clothes were completely wet. At first the witness thought that this person had beenin a fight and ran away so as not to receive any more blows. The side of his face that the witness noticed, however, did not show any signs of blood or blows. But, due to the fact that the person did not once look over his shoulder to check if anyone was following him, and continued to walk with his head down and, with accelerated velocity, the witness thought that he was involved in something else and not in a fight. The person continued to walk in front of his house until he lost him from sight, and in no instance did the man look up or back, and continued to walk in the direction of the hotels. All this happened in about 1 minute. After he lost the person from sight, the witness sat in his living room for about 15 to 20 minutes before he went back to sleep. (DIARIO COMMENT: Here something else happened, that the witness did not reveal to the local authorities, but well to the American investigators. In our next publication DIARIO will reveal what else the witness saw that eventful morning. The Polygraph test he took proved that here too he was telling the truth!) The witness woke up and went to his work at about 11: a.m. Then the news about Natalee's disappearance was on the radio and he found out that there was a tourst teenager who did not make it back to her hotel. He immediately remembered what he saw a few hours earlier After the news became bigger, and they began to arrest the wrong persons, the witness felt discouraged to come forward, and after he saw that the young man Joran van der Sloot in the news, he recognized him immediately as the person he saw walking past his home. After he found out that the father of the man was a lawyer and studying to become a judge, and that he was an intimate friend of a high ranking police officer, he felt totally discouraged to come forward with what he saw. ON top of that, knowing that the Aruban judicial system is totally in the hands of the Dutch, he forced himself to keep quiet. This lasted for over 2 years, until the end of 2007, when he felt he had to tell about what he saw, and so he came forward slowly, to explain what he saw in front of his house, which is situated at about 500 meters from the Dam of Monserat at Noord He also got himself a lawyer, because the case was so big and he needed advice. In the meantime, the Americans, with police permission, made a sonar test of the Dam of Monserat in the beginning of this year, when the level of the water was low. DIARIO has found out that this test discovered 15 objects of interest and that they could define only 3 of them. IN another article, DIARIO will show how Prosecutor Mos paid little attention to this witness and on the contrary, tried to discredit him. This makes you wonder: Is it true that they want to protect van der Sloot cost what it may? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ldstlou on September 10, 2008, 01:41:40 PM gotta run Monkeys...just wanted to post translation in case we didn't have it..no time to look back!! lol
Have a great day!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 01:45:20 PM Thanks Lisa...ell your friend Thank You ::MonkeyCool::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 10, 2008, 01:47:24 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: angelalala on September 10, 2008, 01:54:08 PM gotta run Monkeys...just wanted to post translation in case we didn't have it..no time to look back!! lol Have a great day!!! That's okay... I sent a PM to another member telling them to go ahead and bring that translation over here too... but at least it is already here now. I've sent Jossy a big... Thank YOU. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 10, 2008, 01:57:47 PM e-mailed to me from a friend: Quote Top article on page 3… JORAN SEEN FULL OF MUD WALKING NEAR THE Dam WITH ONLY ONE TENNIS SHOE ON HIS FEET… THE DAM AT MONSERAT GETTING NEW ATTENTION IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE ORANJESTAD (AAN) Perhaps many will say today that God is great, and in a meticulous way does His work so that every crime has hidden clues so that the solution may be reached. Today it has gone so far that DIARIO can reveal officially to the people that at last a masculine witness has come forward. This witness felt he could no longer hold back, and at last gave his complete declaration as to what he saw at the end of May 2005, at 4'oclock in the morning, from the window of his living room. Due to his fear of reprisals, he only gave to the local authorities a parcial statement, in other words that he saw Joran walk past his house at 4:05 a.m. , walking strangely because he only had one tennis shoe on. The local authorities, principally Prosecutor Mr. Mos, was acting very hostile towards this witness, and that made the witness hold back the totality of his story to him as to what happened. Nevertheless, with the American investigators and to his lawyer he gave the complete story, not just the part regarding Joran alone. Parts of the complete story will appear later in the DIARIO. But, the first aspect of the story of this witness, immediately created suspicion by the Americans. Even though he lives at about 1.9 kilometers from the Fishermen Huts, his declaration can have important implications to complete this big puzzle. The Americans wanted more assurances and asked the witness to travel to the United States, where one of the most trusted experts in Polygraph Examinations, the famous John S. Swastz, made the test with him, to determine whether this Aruban witness was lying. He passed all the examinations perfectly, and John Swartz is convinced that this witness is telling the truth about what he saw at 4 a.m. in front of his house. Even though Prosecutor Mr. Mos and also the Van Der Sloot family, want to or not, this gives a complete turnaround in the whole investigation. Today DIARIO focuses on the first part of the declaration of the witness. What is being published today is what the local authority (e.o. Prosecutor Mos) know from him, since they have his signed declaration. But the next publication which will appear in the DIARIO, will reveal more than the authorities in Aruba know. This is something that the local witness did not dare tell the local detectives nor to the prosecution that received him in the beginning. He was too afraid to do so. But, to the Americans he did give his complete declaration, and he passed a Lie-Detector test in the United States to prove that he was telling the truth. Main article on page 3 (bottom) JORAN'S CLOTHES WERE FULL OF MUD WHEN HE WAS WALKING NEAR THE DAM AT MONSERAT First part of the new revelations by the witness ORANJESTAD(AAN) A new witness who has proven to be speaking the truth, is bringing the long-awaited clarity in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in May 2005 in Aruba. At last, after studying the new revelations of the witness during the last few months, now DIARIO has gotten the results back from the U.S. about the first part of his declaration. DIARIO again wants to put emphasis on the fact that Prosecutor Mos has knowledge of this part, but doesn't know what he did with it. The second part which will appear soon in the DIARIO contains information that the Prosecution of Aruba has no knowledge of at this point, simply because every time the witness gave his declaration he was pushed into a corner of fear for reprisals. This witness, a man born in Aruba, went to the United States where he took and passed a polygraph test successfully. THE WITNESS SPEAKS: It was on the night of the 30th of May2005 that he was asleep in his room at his house, when he was awoken by the sound of numerous dogs barking out of control and in very menacing tones. The witness opened his eyes, looked at the watch and saw that it was 4:05 in the morning. Listening to the direction from which the sounds of the dogs were coming, he went to the living room of his house and observed what the dogs were barking at with such urgency. Under a street lamp he saw a person walking in the direction of his house. He was coming from the sports field of Nacional, near the Dam of Monserat, going in the direction of the hotels. The person on foot passed under the following street lamp and the witness saw the person very well and clearly. He was a notably tall, thin, masculine, white skin, short dark hair, a relatively young man who looked like a Dutchman. He also saw the form (profile) of his head and one side of his face. The clothes he had on was a red tee shirt and long clear colored pants . Remarcable was that this person was walking with a limp, and here is where the witness saw that he lacked one tennis shoe. He calculated that from the way he was walking, he was missing the tennis shoes of his right foot. Another thing that he noticed was that the person was breathing heavily, as if he had been running for quite a while. His chest was heaving up and down rapidly. CLOTHES WERE WET The witness continued to declare (and proved with his test that he was telling the truth) that the man he saw had on wet clothes, and had a notable stripe of muddy waters that reached to his chest, about 5 centimeters more or less over his flannel. The stripe on his flannel showed clearly that from the muddy waters going down his clothes were completely wet. At first the witness thought that this person had beenin a fight and ran away so as not to receive any more blows. The side of his face that the witness noticed, however, did not show any signs of blood or blows. But, due to the fact that the person did not once look over his shoulder to check if anyone was following him, and continued to walk with his head down and, with accelerated velocity, the witness thought that he was involved in something else and not in a fight. The person continued to walk in front of his house until he lost him from sight, and in no instance did the man look up or back, and continued to walk in the direction of the hotels. All this happened in about 1 minute. After he lost the person from sight, the witness sat in his living room for about 15 to 20 minutes before he went back to sleep. (DIARIO COMMENT: Here something else happened, that the witness did not reveal to the local authorities, but well to the American investigators. In our next publication DIARIO will reveal what else the witness saw that eventful morning. The Polygraph test he took proved that here too he was telling the truth!) The witness woke up and went to his work at about 11: a.m. Then the news about Natalee's disappearance was on the radio and he found out that there was a tourst teenager who did not make it back to her hotel. He immediately remembered what he saw a few hours earlier After the news became bigger, and they began to arrest the wrong persons, the witness felt discouraged to come forward, and after he saw that the young man Joran van der Sloot in the news, he recognized him immediately as the person he saw walking past his home. After he found out that the father of the man was a lawyer and studying to become a judge, and that he was an intimate friend of a high ranking police officer, he felt totally discouraged to come forward with what he saw. ON top of that, knowing that the Aruban judicial system is totally in the hands of the Dutch, he forced himself to keep quiet. This lasted for over 2 years, until the end of 2007, when he felt he had to tell about what he saw, and so he came forward slowly, to explain what he saw in front of his house, which is situated at about 500 meters from the Dam of Monserat at Noord He also got himself a lawyer, because the case was so big and he needed advice. In the meantime, the Americans, with police permission, made a sonar test of the Dam of Monserat in the beginning of this year, when the level of the water was low. DIARIO has found out that this test discovered 15 objects of interest and that they could define only 3 of them. IN another article, DIARIO will show how Prosecutor Mos paid little attention to this witness and on the contrary, tried to discredit him. This makes you wonder: Is it true that they want to protect van der Sloot cost what it may? Wait a minute!! This could be the same person in this story. So where did the hotel room and tourist story come from? This sounds like what Caps told me about the witness....and at BFN they said it was a person in a hotel room...interesting that they don't jive. Where does it say this witness saw Paulus? Now this is making more sense...the story by Pearl at BFN is not the same as Caps...but I think they are talking about the same person. OK...I will wait to see if Mos does anything this time....he's had this info for months now and has not acted on it at all....I can't get my hopes up...we all know Mos disregarded Caps witness the last time...wonder if he will do anything this time. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 01:58:12 PM gotta run Monkeys...just wanted to post translation in case we didn't have it..no time to look back!! lol Have a great day!!! That's okay... I sent a PM to another member telling them to go ahead and bring that translation over here too... but at least it is already here now. I've sent Jossy a big... Thank YOU. Thanks angelala... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 02:02:13 PM e-mailed to me from a friend: Quote Top article on page 3… JORAN SEEN FULL OF MUD WALKING NEAR THE Dam WITH ONLY ONE TENNIS SHOE ON HIS FEET… THE DAM AT MONSERAT GETTING NEW ATTENTION IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE ORANJESTAD (AAN) Perhaps many will say today that God is great, and in a meticulous way does His work so that every crime has hidden clues so that the solution may be reached. Today it has gone so far that DIARIO can reveal officially to the people that at last a masculine witness has come forward. This witness felt he could no longer hold back, and at last gave his complete declaration as to what he saw at the end of May 2005, at 4'oclock in the morning, from the window of his living room. Due to his fear of reprisals, he only gave to the local authorities a parcial statement, in other words that he saw Joran walk past his house at 4:05 a.m. , walking strangely because he only had one tennis shoe on. The local authorities, principally Prosecutor Mr. Mos, was acting very hostile towards this witness, and that made the witness hold back the totality of his story to him as to what happened. Nevertheless, with the American investigators and to his lawyer he gave the complete story, not just the part regarding Joran alone. Parts of the complete story will appear later in the DIARIO. But, the first aspect of the story of this witness, immediately created suspicion by the Americans. Even though he lives at about 1.9 kilometers from the Fishermen Huts, his declaration can have important implications to complete this big puzzle. The Americans wanted more assurances and asked the witness to travel to the United States, where one of the most trusted experts in Polygraph Examinations, the famous John S. Swastz, made the test with him, to determine whether this Aruban witness was lying. He passed all the examinations perfectly, and John Swartz is convinced that this witness is telling the truth about what he saw at 4 a.m. in front of his house. Even though Prosecutor Mr. Mos and also the Van Der Sloot family, want to or not, this gives a complete turnaround in the whole investigation. Today DIARIO focuses on the first part of the declaration of the witness. What is being published today is what the local authority (e.o. Prosecutor Mos) know from him, since they have his signed declaration. But the next publication which will appear in the DIARIO, will reveal more than the authorities in Aruba know. This is something that the local witness did not dare tell the local detectives nor to the prosecution that received him in the beginning. He was too afraid to do so. But, to the Americans he did give his complete declaration, and he passed a Lie-Detector test in the United States to prove that he was telling the truth. Main article on page 3 (bottom) JORAN'S CLOTHES WERE FULL OF MUD WHEN HE WAS WALKING NEAR THE DAM AT MONSERAT First part of the new revelations by the witness ORANJESTAD(AAN) A new witness who has proven to be speaking the truth, is bringing the long-awaited clarity in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in May 2005 in Aruba. At last, after studying the new revelations of the witness during the last few months, now DIARIO has gotten the results back from the U.S. about the first part of his declaration. DIARIO again wants to put emphasis on the fact that Prosecutor Mos has knowledge of this part, but doesn't know what he did with it. The second part which will appear soon in the DIARIO contains information that the Prosecution of Aruba has no knowledge of at this point, simply because every time the witness gave his declaration he was pushed into a corner of fear for reprisals. This witness, a man born in Aruba, went to the United States where he took and passed a polygraph test successfully. THE WITNESS SPEAKS: It was on the night of the 30th of May2005 that he was asleep in his room at his house, when he was awoken by the sound of numerous dogs barking out of control and in very menacing tones. The witness opened his eyes, looked at the watch and saw that it was 4:05 in the morning. Listening to the direction from which the sounds of the dogs were coming, he went to the living room of his house and observed what the dogs were barking at with such urgency. Under a street lamp he saw a person walking in the direction of his house. He was coming from the sports field of Nacional, near the Dam of Monserat, going in the direction of the hotels. The person on foot passed under the following street lamp and the witness saw the person very well and clearly. He was a notably tall, thin, masculine, white skin, short dark hair, a relatively young man who looked like a Dutchman. He also saw the form (profile) of his head and one side of his face. The clothes he had on was a red tee shirt and long clear colored pants . Remarcable was that this person was walking with a limp, and here is where the witness saw that he lacked one tennis shoe. He calculated that from the way he was walking, he was missing the tennis shoes of his right foot. Another thing that he noticed was that the person was breathing heavily, as if he had been running for quite a while. His chest was heaving up and down rapidly. CLOTHES WERE WET The witness continued to declare (and proved with his test that he was telling the truth) that the man he saw had on wet clothes, and had a notable stripe of muddy waters that reached to his chest, about 5 centimeters more or less over his flannel. The stripe on his flannel showed clearly that from the muddy waters going down his clothes were completely wet. At first the witness thought that this person had beenin a fight and ran away so as not to receive any more blows. The side of his face that the witness noticed, however, did not show any signs of blood or blows. But, due to the fact that the person did not once look over his shoulder to check if anyone was following him, and continued to walk with his head down and, with accelerated velocity, the witness thought that he was involved in something else and not in a fight. The person continued to walk in front of his house until he lost him from sight, and in no instance did the man look up or back, and continued to walk in the direction of the hotels. All this happened in about 1 minute. After he lost the person from sight, the witness sat in his living room for about 15 to 20 minutes before he went back to sleep. (DIARIO COMMENT: Here something else happened, that the witness did not reveal to the local authorities, but well to the American investigators. In our next publication DIARIO will reveal what else the witness saw that eventful morning. The Polygraph test he took proved that here too he was telling the truth!) The witness woke up and went to his work at about 11: a.m. Then the news about Natalee's disappearance was on the radio and he found out that there was a tourst teenager who did not make it back to her hotel. He immediately remembered what he saw a few hours earlier After the news became bigger, and they began to arrest the wrong persons, the witness felt discouraged to come forward, and after he saw that the young man Joran van der Sloot in the news, he recognized him immediately as the person he saw walking past his home. After he found out that the father of the man was a lawyer and studying to become a judge, and that he was an intimate friend of a high ranking police officer, he felt totally discouraged to come forward with what he saw. ON top of that, knowing that the Aruban judicial system is totally in the hands of the Dutch, he forced himself to keep quiet. This lasted for over 2 years, until the end of 2007, when he felt he had to tell about what he saw, and so he came forward slowly, to explain what he saw in front of his house, which is situated at about 500 meters from the Dam of Monserat at Noord He also got himself a lawyer, because the case was so big and he needed advice. In the meantime, the Americans, with police permission, made a sonar test of the Dam of Monserat in the beginning of this year, when the level of the water was low. DIARIO has found out that this test discovered 15 objects of interest and that they could define only 3 of them. IN another article, DIARIO will show how Prosecutor Mos paid little attention to this witness and on the contrary, tried to discredit him. This makes you wonder: Is it true that they want to protect van der Sloot cost what it may? Wait a minute!! This could be the same person in this story. So where did the hotel room and tourist story come from? This sounds like what Caps told me about the witness....and at BFN they said it was a person in a hotel room...interesting that they don't jive. Where does it say this witness saw Paulus? Now this is making more sense...the story by Pearl at BFN is not the same as Caps...but I think they are talking about the same person. OK...I will wait to see if Mos does anything this time....he's had this info for months now and has not acted on it at all....I can't get my hopes up...we all know Mos disregarded Caps witness the last time...wonder if he will do anything this time. Lala's...I ut diario article through both the Pap and spanish translator and didn't see Paulus either... ::MonkeyConfused:: BTW...Great post in Caylee's thread earlier ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 02:02:31 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: angelalala on September 10, 2008, 02:02:38 PM gotta run Monkeys...just wanted to post translation in case we didn't have it..no time to look back!! lol Have a great day!!! That's okay... I sent a PM to another member telling them to go ahead and bring that translation over here too... but at least it is already here now. I've sent Jossy a big... Thank YOU. Thanks angelala... My pleasure.... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 10, 2008, 02:03:23 PM Thanks Angela for bringing it over...I hope this is something good. I wish Mos wasn't so ingrained in the party line. I think it clouds his vision of truth...will the PTB nip this in the bud too? I am thinking they will try at the least.
I kept all Caps info on the witness just in case we should ever need it. I can't wait to see if they act on it or let it slide again. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 02:04:26 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS TEST given was in the USA last week Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 10, 2008, 02:04:37 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Thanks Caps. I didn't know your witness was a tourist...I thought you told me it was a person you knew. My mistake. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 02:04:49 PM I just want to personally thank CAPSLOCKWIZARD. You're the best!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 02:07:07 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Was this funeral on June 2, 2005? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: angelalala on September 10, 2008, 02:07:15 PM gotta run Monkeys...just wanted to post translation in case we didn't have it..no time to look back!! lol Have a great day!!! That's okay... I sent a PM to another member telling them to go ahead and bring that translation over here too... but at least it is already here now. I've sent Jossy a big... Thank YOU. Thanks angelala... I know more is coming... and am pretty sure it involves Paul. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 10, 2008, 02:09:20 PM gotta run Monkeys...just wanted to post translation in case we didn't have it..no time to look back!! lol Have a great day!!! That's okay... I sent a PM to another member telling them to go ahead and bring that translation over here too... but at least it is already here now. I've sent Jossy a big... Thank YOU. Thanks angelala... I know more is coming... and am pretty sure it involves Paul. Great news! I hope this nails him this time...do you think it will? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 02:10:23 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS THANKS CAPS! Finally, someone is listening and maybe doing something. I'm so grateful for your NEVER GIVING UP! Hopefully, now the answers WILL be found! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 10, 2008, 02:10:29 PM Caps
Is that pond still dry? Can they dig it up this time? I hope so.. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ree on September 10, 2008, 02:11:01 PM Here's the quote I was referring to: person here was march is cu one near of leg is ‘limp', y here the witness owing to see cu the was miss one leg of zapato or keds. the is calcula cu at the form cu the was march of near, the was miss his zapato or keds of his leg right.algo cu past owing to notice also, Michele What I find interesting about this is that in the beginning we started out looking for one missing Tennis shoe. Odd how it became two. Makes you wonder if the witness came forward very early and wasn't taken seriously. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 10, 2008, 02:11:41 PM Surely Mos won't ignore this witness again. :roll:
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 02:14:03 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Caps...do you know if there was forensics from when they drained the pond? Was the body moved in 2005 or was it possibly moved this year when the pond was drained? Thanks In Advance Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 02:15:36 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Thanks Caps. I didn't know your witness was a tourist...I thought you told me it was a person you knew. My mistake. The tourist thing was that he was a tourist in the USA.... Jossy is in the USA He is a local person but in the state where he went to pass the test, he enter as a tourist. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 02:16:35 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Was this funeral on June 2, 2005? on the 6th Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 10, 2008, 02:18:06 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Thanks Caps. I didn't know your witness was a tourist...I thought you told me it was a person you knew. My mistake. The tourist thing was that he was a tourist in the USA.... Jossy is in the USA He is a local person but in the state where he went to pass the test, he enter as a tourist. Thanks for explaining that to me...I was confused. Everything sounded like your witness except that part. I hope this is the nail in the coffin this time. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 02:21:16 PM Thanks Caps!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 02:23:47 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Was this funeral on June 2, 2005? on the 6th Wever...any forensics from the pond? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 02:24:48 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Was this funeral on June 2, 2005? on the 6th Caps - then is she in the crypt? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 02:25:16 PM What is that I hear?????? Could it be.....
Babylon shaking??????? ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 02:28:36 PM Lunch break is over...back to work for me.
Klaas, if you feel like you have an echo today...it's just ME! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 02:28:41 PM Caps Is that pond still dry? Can they dig it up this time? I hope so.. it filling up again, if its almost to the brim again. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 02:30:57 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Was this funeral on June 2, 2005? on the 6th Caps - then is she in the cyrpt? yep, Location = the babylonian palace. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 02:34:01 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Was this funeral on June 2, 2005? on the 6th Caps - then is she in the cyrpt? yep, Location = the babylonian palace. If Natalee was put in a crypt, then surely that family would have to give permission to open it, wouldn’t they. Or could ALE force them to? What proof would ALE need to do this… Any forensics from the pond Caps? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 02:35:20 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Thanks Caps. I didn't know your witness was a tourist...I thought you told me it was a person you knew. My mistake. The tourist thing was that he was a tourist in the USA.... Jossy is in the USA He is a local person but in the state where he went to pass the test, he enter as a tourist. Thanks for explaining that to me...I was confused. Everything sounded like your witness except that part. I hope this is the nail in the coffin this time. Well A singing war is a lost war...the only thing that Dirtyhand is afraid of is the WORLDPRESS. That is his weakest link. The stones are rolling and by the 8th we will know...a bit patient Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 02:37:17 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS I've always suspected that Yolanda Wever was in fact involved. They OWNED THE CREMATORIUM AND THAT IS A FACT. I called Mathews International and spoke to the international sales director and he would not confirm who bought the unit, only that they did ship ONE UNIT. The crematorium weighs 6000 lbs and needs the size of a small garage to contain it. It is made from steel and stainless steel. As I said so long ago - if they could give Natalee back and end this thing, they would. They can't and have to live with the decisions they have made. They never expected this to go on for 1 month let alone three plus years. I also believe that the other missing Americans have also been cremated. They were probably stored somewhere until the crematorium arrived and then they were cremated and that ends those cases also. Ms Wever wrote a public letter almost as if it was directed to me when I began to post about all of the possibilities that existed with that crematorium and in the letter she said she did not own a crematorium. That only meant that her husband or other associates (such as the Leo's) actually owned the thing. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: adoronron on September 10, 2008, 02:38:42 PM Here's the quote I was referring to: person here was march is cu one near of leg is ‘limp', y here the witness owing to see cu the was miss one leg of zapato or keds. the is calcula cu at the form cu the was march of near, the was miss his zapato or keds of his leg right.algo cu past owing to notice also, Michele What I find interesting about this is that in the beginning we started out looking for one missing Tennis shoe. Odd how it became two. Makes you wonder if the witness came forward very early and wasn't taken seriously. I remember how pissed joran was (pounding on the police car) that day early on when the cops went to the beach with him and they and couldn't find the shoes, that in my opinion, he took from the raquet club and planted as evidence to prove he was at the beach as per the story line his dad came up with. Ado Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 02:44:18 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Was this funeral on June 2, 2005? on the 6th Caps - then is she in the cyrpt? yep, Location = the babylonian palace. If Natalee was put in a crypt, then surely that family would have to give permission to open it, wouldn’t they. Or could ALE force them to? What proof would ALE need to do this… Any forensics from the pond Caps? NOW search for cases "missing person found in freemason cemetary" and see the practishe... in holland and all over the world. The grand master only has the key and it was a Judge who is in holland now. CAPS Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 02:46:08 PM http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/6.png
With deep sympathy we announce the death of: Jalitza Marie Wever 21 Mar 1962 - 02 Jun 2005. Funeral took place: 06 Jun 2005, Oranjestad, ARUBA (http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/fdggfdgd56.png) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 02:51:31 PM (http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/6.png)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 10, 2008, 02:54:53 PM So how do you get permission to examine the contents of a grave over there? Can it even be done?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 02:56:09 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Was this funeral on June 2, 2005? on the 6th Caps - then is she in the cyrpt? yep, Location = the babylonian palace. If Natalee was put in a crypt, then surely that family would have to give permission to open it, wouldn’t they. Or could ALE force them to? What proof would ALE need to do this… Any forensics from the pond Caps? NOW search for cases "missing person found in freemason cemetary" and see the practishe... in holland and all over the world. The grand master only has the key and it was a Judge who is in holland now. CAPS Caps...But would ALE need permission to open a crypt? You are not talking about the night you posted on before that the lights were on the soccer field in the wee hours are you? ::MonkeyConfused:: No forensics from the pond, I guess? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 03:01:35 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS I've always suspected that Yolanda Wever was in fact involved. They OWNED THE CREMATORIUM AND THAT IS A FACT. I called Mathews International and spoke to the international sales director and he would not confirm who bought the unit, only that they did ship ONE UNIT. The crematorium weighs 6000 lbs and needs the size of a small garage to contain it. It is made from steel and stainless steel. As I said so long ago - if they could give Natalee back and end this thing, they would. They can't and have to live with the decisions they have made. They never expected this to go on for 1 month let alone three plus years. I also believe that the other missing Americans have also been cremated. They were probably stored somewhere until the crematorium arrived and then they were cremated and that ends those cases also. Ms Wever wrote a public letter almost as if it was directed to me when I began to post about all of the possibilities that existed with that crematorium and in the letter she said she did not own a crematorium. That only meant that her husband or other associates (such as the Leo's) actually owned the thing. this is the website http://www.zeppwever.com/ Registrant: Zepp Wever Funeral Home Caya G.F. Betico Croes 216 Oranjestad, NA na AW Domain name: ZEPPWEVER.COM Administrative Contact: Wever, Rowald Email address protected from spam harvesters Caya G.F. Betico Croes 216 Oranjestad, NA na AW +1.2975848965 Technical Contact: Wever, Rowald Email address protected from spam harvesters Caya G.F. Betico Croes 216 Oranjestad, NA na AW +1.2975848965 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 03:08:06 PM http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/6.png With deep sympathy we announce the death of: Jalitza Marie Wever 21 Mar 1962 - 02 Jun 2005. Funeral took place: 06 Jun 2005, Oranjestad, ARUBA (http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/fdggfdgd56.png) do you think they changed the bodies Rob or am i wrong Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 03:12:02 PM Johan - it's something that we've discussed almost from the beginning, the possibility that Natalee was put into a crypt with someone that had recently died. The question I have right now is what would it take to allow ALE or FBI or whoever to look into the crypt.
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/WeverFuneral.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 03:12:43 PM do you think they changed the bodies Rob or am i wrong Hi Johan... I have no idea at this point. The crypt theory has been discussed many times and so has the crematorium. Placing a body in a crypt seems risky and Paulus doesn't seem to take many risks. Most criminals make a few mistakes and are eventually caught... I wonder if this was his slip up... Caps - are you saying that the body of Natalee was in that pond and not just evidence? like this - (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/destinypondpicture3-2.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 03:14:24 PM Johan - it's something that we've discussed almost from the beginning, the possibility that Natalee was put into a crypt with someone that had recently died. The question I have right now is what would it take to allow ALE or FBI or whoever to look into the crypt. an act of God or the Queen. It's going to be very very hard to get a crypt opened. I say it's near impossible. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 03:15:20 PM Caps...Did that Dutch team of 40 or 50 find any forensics when the pond was drained?
A Shoe Maybe? TIA Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 03:20:14 PM If this is all true I give San and the others that have always believed that Natalee was on land and not in the ocean a lot of credit.
There are only so many ways to ensure Natalee is not coming back. vast ocean. crematorium. crypt - and even then, a crypt could be opened by court decree. buried under cement in area never disclosed. whatever happened - I just hope Natalee can be found and returned and this nightmare is almost over. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 03:23:16 PM i have send them (burgelijke stand a email a wile ago)
i have send them (civil affairs ? a email a wile ago) Dear Mr. / mrs, I have years with a nice woman and chatted ge emaild but since any (proper) time I hear nothing more of her. I know that they live or lived in Aruba, but if I send her an email I never hear anything back. So am really curious how it goes with her ETC. Maybe you can bring me into contact with her parents perhaps? They called Jalitza Marie Wever and is about 44 years old mvg, Johan de ..... Netherlands and: BBSB / BBSB / DIADomino @ aruba.gov.aw to me details May 22. Dear Johan, We must inform you that we normally do not give information to third parties not directly have a relationship with concerned, we can pass on aleen notify that person is deceased. More information, we can not provide. Sincerely, Civil Status Office Aruba and in Dutch Geachte heer /dame , Ik heb jaren lang met een leuke vrouw ge emaild en gechat maar sinds enige ( behoorlijke ) tijd hoor ik helemaal niks meer van haar . Ik weet dat ze op Aruba woont of gewoond heeft ,maar als ik haar een email stuur hoor ik nooit iets terug . Dus ben eigenlijk benieuwd hoe het met haar gaat enz . Misschien kan U me in contact brengen met haar ouders wellicht ? Ze heet Jalitza Marie Wever en is ongeveer 44 jaar oud mvg , Johan de ..... Nederland and : BBSB/BBSB/DIADomino@aruba.gov.aw aan mij details weergeven 22 mei. Beste Johan, We moeten u mededelen dat wij normal geen informatie geven aan derden die niet direkt een relatie hebben met betrokkene, we kunnen u aleen op de hoogte stellen dat betrokkene is overleden. Meer informatie kunnen wij niet verstrekken. Met vriendelijke groeten, Bureau Burgerlijke Stand Aruba Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 03:25:28 PM Johan - it's something that we've discussed almost from the beginning, the possibility that Natalee was put into a crypt with someone that had recently died. The question I have right now is what would it take to allow ALE or FBI or whoever to look into the crypt. (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/WeverFuneral.jpg) Yes i know that Klaas that why i send a email to aruba ( Burgelijke zaken ) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 03:29:50 PM do you understand dutch caps ?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 03:32:49 PM If this is all true I give San and the others that have always believed that Natalee was on land and not in the ocean a lot of credit. There are only so many ways to ensure Natalee is not coming back. vast ocean. crematorium. crypt - and even then, a crypt could be opened by court decree. buried under cement in area never disclosed. whatever happened - I just hope Natalee can be found and returned and this nightmare is almost over. Rob: A Mason cemetary can only be open by the grand master and no one else. who are the mason (the vrijemetselaarij of aruba)... the Mason cemetary is not open to the public....most are member of this elite groups of judges and lawyers. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 03:33:54 PM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 03:34:29 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Was this funeral on June 2, 2005? on the 6th Caps - back a page - are you saying that this is the Ms. Wever who had her funeral on the 6th or is this person a mason and unknown to us? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 03:37:46 PM heeft deze Jalitza Marie Wever ooit bestaan ? kent iemand haar op aruba ? ik heb op diverse forums gezocht en gevraagd maar niemand kent haar eng was this Jalitza Marie Wever a real person ? who know her on aruba ? because i found this Marie Wever Family History and Genealogy and her name is not on any list Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 10, 2008, 03:38:34 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS TEST given was in the USA last week Caps...I was told he was given and passed 2 tests....Great Work Caps! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ldstlou on September 10, 2008, 03:39:06 PM Caps,
You are totally blowing me away!! What an angel you are!!! So glad to see you vindicated also!!! Saying a pray of thanks for all you have done and a prayer that Natalee is indeed in the crypt, that would be the very best news!!! Thank you Caps!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 03:40:23 PM heeft deze Jalitza Marie Wever ooit bestaan ? kent iemand haar op aruba ? ik heb op diverse forums gezocht en gevraagd maar niemand kent haar eng was this Jalitza Marie Wever a real person ? who know her on aruba ? because i found this Marie Wever Family History and Genealogy and her name is not on any list this is that list .... without her name http://www.museumstuff.com/zg.cgi?ln=Wever&fn=marie Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ldstlou on September 10, 2008, 03:41:43 PM I am getting so emotional...have to leave my office because of it!!!
I finally have hope!! Talk to you tonight Monkeys!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 03:50:56 PM heeft deze Jalitza Marie Wever ooit bestaan ? kent iemand haar op aruba ? ik heb op diverse forums gezocht en gevraagd maar niemand kent haar eng was this Jalitza Marie Wever a real person ? who know her on aruba ? because i found this Marie Wever Family History and Genealogy and her name is not on any list [/quote She does exist and the only paper I found her info in where in the newspaper from curacao. LA Prensa Now she was married and what got my attention is that her ex husband is in the news in Alabama new paper.. the other this is that everyone has a douppleganger and Julitza is Natalee double.. I have asked this question before ...was there a wake helt on the 6th for Natalee and in what church in Aruba ....and the answer was YES. now Why would they over the Famaly a peace pipe.?? Remeber it is a case of DOUPPLE GANGERS... Johan,,heb je met Pablo in Aruba gepraat over the overlijden van Julitza? Ik wat interesante uitvindingen gekregen van iemand die Jultiza kende. zij is overleeden van Kanker. maar the vraag is waarom was zij niet begraven in Santa Cruz...zijn adress was Hooiberg...dus district Santa Cruz. Zij is begraven in Oranjestad Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 03:53:11 PM Caps - at the corner of LG Smith and and either Havenstraat or Shelpstraat is a statue to the founder of the freemasons on Aruba.
what is that person's name? if you know.. tia Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 03:54:44 PM and this is also strange :
she lived here : geb. Wever Jalitza M 3/21/1962 Aruba Hooiberg Kavel 2D i have someone on skype ( internet phone ) a dutch woman and she live there (Hooiberg area) for many years . i asked her if she know this Jalitza and she said to me : i know everyone in this area but not this girl Jalitza Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 04:01:40 PM and this is also strange : she lived here : geb. Wever Jalitza M 3/21/1962 Aruba Hooiberg Kavel 2D i have someone on skype ( internet phone ) a dutch woman and she live there (Hooiberg area) for many years . i asked her if she know this Jalitza and she said to me : i know everyone in this area but not this girl Jalitza so if I am understanding this correctly in three languages - Jalitza exists or does not exist. she may not exist and was created to have a body / funeral to place Natalee's body in her crypt. she does exist and she and Natalee are in the same crypt. Natalee's family was offered a peace offering and either did not understand what was happening or turned down the offer. is that about right? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 10, 2008, 04:06:17 PM Besides the Jalitza Marie Wever discussion, Caps, there was also that break in at one cermetery where crypts were disturbed including those of Wevers & other notable names....do you think there is a connection? We did talk about the possibility...I think it was in 2006.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 04:07:29 PM CAPS - it is so good to see you here and to know that you are safe.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 04:14:43 PM and this is also strange : she lived here : geb. Wever Jalitza M 3/21/1962 Aruba Hooiberg Kavel 2D i have someone on skype ( internet phone ) a dutch woman and she live there (Hooiberg area) for many years . i asked her if she know this Jalitza and she said to me : i know everyone in this area but not this girl Jalitza so if I am understanding this correctly in three languages - Jalitza exists or does not exist. she may not exist and was created to have a body / funeral to place Natalee's body in her crypt. she does exist and she and Natalee are in the same crypt. Natalee's family was offered a peace offering and either did not understand what was happening or turned down the offer. is that about right? yes i think so Rob Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 04:15:27 PM Caps - at the corner of LG Smith and and either Havenstraat or Shelpstraat is a statue to the founder of the freemasons on Aruba. what is that person's name? if you know.. tia The Sol Naciente is the Mason that has a link to the Mason in holland and is control by the grand master..They have their own cemetary. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 04:17:03 PM is it sure that that crypt is in Oranjestad Caps ??
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 04:29:43 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS TEST given was in the USA last week Caps...I was told he was given and passed 2 tests....Great Work Caps! yes he is solid... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 04:30:24 PM is it sure that that crypt is in Oranjestad Caps ?? YEP Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Pita on September 10, 2008, 04:32:04 PM Caps - at the corner of LG Smith and and either Havenstraat or Shelpstraat is a statue to the founder of the freemasons on Aruba. what is that person's name? if you know.. tia The Sol Naciente is the Mason that has a link to the Mason in holland and is control by the grand master..They have their own cemetary. Caps, is Stephen Daal the Grand Master? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 10, 2008, 04:42:49 PM Caps - at the corner of LG Smith and and either Havenstraat or Shelpstraat is a statue to the founder of the freemasons on Aruba. what is that person's name? if you know.. tia The Sol Naciente is the Mason that has a link to the Mason in holland and is control by the grand master..They have their own cemetary. Caps, is Stephen Daal the Grand Master? Looks like he is now...but perhaps Karel Wever, in 2005... :smt102 http://www.vrijmetselarij.net/el_sol_naciente/index1.htm Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 04:45:52 PM Caps - at the corner of LG Smith and and either Havenstraat or Shelpstraat is a statue to the founder of the freemasons on Aruba. what is that person's name? if you know.. tia The Sol Naciente is the Mason that has a link to the Mason in holland and is control by the grand master..They have their own cemetary. Caps, is Stephen Daal the Grand Master? [/quote There is Judge Wiks and other that belong to the sol Naciente like Ben Vonking. Duetekom and lawyers... but the big cahuna is Vrieswijk...but that was long time ago... Now the new grand master is in Holland....have his name but we are now in ricepaper steps...the time is not right yet...later... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 04:51:34 PM CAPS - I am so emotional right now. I can't thank you enough for all of the help that you have given us. Without you, this wouldn't be happening right now. You have placed yourself at great risk to help us and to help Natalee. I have worried about your safety. We appreciate you so very much. Thank you, thank you. If Tim is in Aruba, he will have equipment to find her.
A very long time ago, I dreamed that there was a funeral wake for Natalee in Aruba and it has been on my mind all of this time. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 04:51:59 PM Caps - at the corner of LG Smith and and either Havenstraat or Shelpstraat is a statue to the founder of the freemasons on Aruba. what is that person's name? if you know.. tia The Sol Naciente is the Mason that has a link to the Mason in holland and is control by the grand master..They have their own cemetary. Caps, is Stephen Daal the Grand Master? Looks like he is now...but perhaps Karel Wever, in 2005... :smt102 http://www.vrijmetselarij.net/el_sol_naciente/index1.htm [/quote Kerel Wever but his bos....the Grand Grand Master....top level...it is a Judge..."The Rotten package from Holland" - "put her in the cemetary" Case Close. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 04:53:24 PM CAPS - I am so emotional right now. I can't thank you enough for all of the help that you have given us. Without you, this wouldn't be happening right now. You have placed yourself at great risk to help us and to help Natalee. I have worried about your safety. We appreciate you so very much. Thank you, thank you. If Tim is in Aruba, he will have equipment to find her. A very long time ago, I dreamed that there was a funeral wake for Natalee in Aruba and it has been on my mind all of this time. Ditto to all of the above (except the dream) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 04:54:34 PM CAPS - I am so emotional right now. I can't thank you enough for all of the help that you have given us. Without you, this wouldn't be happening right now. You have placed yourself at great risk to help us and to help Natalee. I have worried about your safety. We appreciate you so very much. Thank you, thank you. If Tim is in Aruba, he will have equipment to find her. A very long time ago, I dreamed that there was a funeral wake for Natalee in Aruba and it has been on my mind all of this time. the tools are on the way.... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Pita on September 10, 2008, 04:56:47 PM Caps - at the corner of LG Smith and and either Havenstraat or Shelpstraat is a statue to the founder of the freemasons on Aruba. what is that person's name? if you know.. tia The Sol Naciente is the Mason that has a link to the Mason in holland and is control by the grand master..They have their own cemetary. Caps, is Stephen Daal the Grand Master? [/quote There is Judge Wiks and other that belong to the sol Naciente like Ben Vonking. Duetekom and lawyers... but the big cahuna is Vrieswijk...but that was long time ago... Now the new grand master is in Holland....have his name but we are now in ricepaper steps...the time is not right yet...later... Ok Caps, I completely understand. Thank you for your help. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 05:04:49 PM CAPS - I am so emotional right now. I can't thank you enough for all of the help that you have given us. Without you, this wouldn't be happening right now. You have placed yourself at great risk to help us and to help Natalee. I have worried about your safety. We appreciate you so very much. Thank you, thank you. If Tim is in Aruba, he will have equipment to find her. A very long time ago, I dreamed that there was a funeral wake for Natalee in Aruba and it has been on my mind all of this time. Ditto to all of the above (except the dream) Klassend: do you remember my report that I send to the FBI in December 31,2007 and the withness statement came later...my research shows that to be pickup from McDonnald, he has to come from that pond. and my research was a simple logic question condition that has to be met for all the AND logic to work. now if I take the witness stement and expand my logic...if fits perfectly... the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 05:09:15 PM CAPS - I am so emotional right now. I can't thank you enough for all of the help that you have given us. Without you, this wouldn't be happening right now. You have placed yourself at great risk to help us and to help Natalee. I have worried about your safety. We appreciate you so very much. Thank you, thank you. If Tim is in Aruba, he will have equipment to find her. A very long time ago, I dreamed that there was a funeral wake for Natalee in Aruba and it has been on my mind all of this time. Ditto to all of the above (except the dream) Klassend: do you remember my report that I send to the FBI in December 31,2007 and the withness statement came later...my research shows that to be pickup from McDonnald, he has to come from that pond. and my research was a simple logic question condition that has to be met for all the AND logic to work. now if I take the witness stement and expand my logic...if fits perfectly... the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles. Yes Caps - I still have all that saved, it's becoming very clear now. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 05:27:23 PM Caps was Jalitza married and what was his fam name ?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: NM on September 10, 2008, 05:52:59 PM Caps,
every cell in my body is screaming THANK YOU CAPS!!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 10, 2008, 06:12:02 PM Just did a site search ......
on April27, 2007 by our very own : "msmarple" >> When you search SM for Jalitza, you will find several older references. Most of us remember discussing the lady in the past. Anyway....here is one from msmarple>> That Ms. Wever happened to be buried a few days after Natalee disappeared. Something like June 2 or June 5 or thereabouts. (And she was young; as they say "too young to die" ... I'm not suggesting foul play.) Anyway, in context, that particular death/burial is what made me think that Natalee might be sharing cemetery space with her. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1099.msg145043#msg145043 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 06:13:13 PM NEW FRONT PAGE POST:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/ Natalee Holloway Investigation: Exclusive … Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch in Aruba to meet With ALE/Prosecutor … New Witness That Puts Joran & Paulus Van der Sloot Near Ponds on 5/30/05 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 06:17:29 PM Caps was Jalitza married and what was his fam name ? yes she was marriedand her married name was Profet, her husband is Michael Profet. She was a Profet look in this Artikle and see her husband Michael Profet. Sra.vda. Petronilia Andrea Janga - Vlijt http://www.extrabon.com/edishon/edishon2003/extra2003-09-30.pdf Now there is a newspaper in Alabama that Michael appears in it. CAPS Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 06:19:46 PM Just did a site search ...... on April27, 2007 by our very own : "msmarple" >> When you search SM for Jalitza, you will find several older references. Most of us remember discussing the lady in the past. Anyway....here is one from msmarple>> That Ms. Wever happened to be buried a few days after Natalee disappeared. Something like June 2 or June 5 or thereabouts. (And she was young; as they say "too young to die" ... I'm not suggesting foul play.) Anyway, in context, that particular death/burial is what made me think that Natalee might be sharing cemetery space with her. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1099.msg145043#msg145043 Now Look for Micheal Profet in Alabama....Why in Alabama....and look at the dates. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 06:31:00 PM Just did a site search ...... on April27, 2007 by our very own : "msmarple" >> When you search SM for Jalitza, you will find several older references. Most of us remember discussing the lady in the past. Anyway....here is one from msmarple>> That Ms. Wever happened to be buried a few days after Natalee disappeared. Something like June 2 or June 5 or thereabouts. (And she was young; as they say "too young to die" ... I'm not suggesting foul play.) Anyway, in context, that particular death/burial is what made me think that Natalee might be sharing cemetery space with her. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1099.msg145043#msg145043 Now Look for Micheal Profet in Alabama....Why in Alabama....and look at the dates. here it is in Alabama news http://www.voiceofalabama.com/am21jun05-1.pdf Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 06:36:59 PM Just did a site search ...... on April27, 2007 by our very own : "msmarple" >> When you search SM for Jalitza, you will find several older references. Most of us remember discussing the lady in the past. Anyway....here is one from msmarple>> That Ms. Wever happened to be buried a few days after Natalee disappeared. Something like June 2 or June 5 or thereabouts. (And she was young; as they say "too young to die" ... I'm not suggesting foul play.) Anyway, in context, that particular death/burial is what made me think that Natalee might be sharing cemetery space with her. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1099.msg145043#msg145043 Now Look for Micheal Profet in Alabama....Why in Alabama....and look at the dates. here it is in Alabama news http://www.voiceofalabama.com/am21jun05-1.pdf but like Monk would say...:something is not right...but I can not get my hands on it...I'm afraid of germs.. lol Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 06:39:11 PM Just did a site search ...... on April27, 2007 by our very own : "msmarple" >> When you search SM for Jalitza, you will find several older references. Most of us remember discussing the lady in the past. Anyway....here is one from msmarple>> That Ms. Wever happened to be buried a few days after Natalee disappeared. Something like June 2 or June 5 or thereabouts. (And she was young; as they say "too young to die" ... I'm not suggesting foul play.) Anyway, in context, that particular death/burial is what made me think that Natalee might be sharing cemetery space with her. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1099.msg145043#msg145043 Now Look for Micheal Profet in Alabama....Why in Alabama....and look at the dates. here it is in Alabama news http://www.voiceofalabama.com/am21jun05-1.pdf Caps, maybe I'm not understanding but I believe the only reason that AM Digitel article is linked to the Voice of Alabama is because of an article about Natalee in it. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 06:42:34 PM Just did a site search ...... on April27, 2007 by our very own : "msmarple" >> When you search SM for Jalitza, you will find several older references. Most of us remember discussing the lady in the past. Anyway....here is one from msmarple>> That Ms. Wever happened to be buried a few days after Natalee disappeared. Something like June 2 or June 5 or thereabouts. (And she was young; as they say "too young to die" ... I'm not suggesting foul play.) Anyway, in context, that particular death/burial is what made me think that Natalee might be sharing cemetery space with her. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1099.msg145043#msg145043 Now Look for Micheal Profet in Alabama....Why in Alabama....and look at the dates. here it is in Alabama news http://www.voiceofalabama.com/am21jun05-1.pdf but like Monk would say...:something is not right...but I can not get my hands on it...I'm afraid of germs.. lol From 6/21/05 (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/AMDigital062105.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blonde on September 10, 2008, 06:44:08 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Was this funeral on June 2, 2005? was it this girl? Carpe's has this info. (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/People%20of%20Intrest/JHHHHJHJJHJHJH.png) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 06:46:23 PM Just did a site search ...... on April27, 2007 by our very own : "msmarple" >> When you search SM for Jalitza, you will find several older references. Most of us remember discussing the lady in the past. Anyway....here is one from msmarple>> That Ms. Wever happened to be buried a few days after Natalee disappeared. Something like June 2 or June 5 or thereabouts. (And she was young; as they say "too young to die" ... I'm not suggesting foul play.) Anyway, in context, that particular death/burial is what made me think that Natalee might be sharing cemetery space with her. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1099.msg145043#msg145043 Now Look for Micheal Profet in Alabama....Why in Alabama....and look at the dates. here it is in Alabama news http://www.voiceofalabama.com/am21jun05-1.pdf Caps, maybe I'm not understanding but I believe the only reason that AM Digitel article is linked to the Voice of Alabama is because of an article about Natalee in it. then the question is what is Micheal profit article doing is voice of Alabama... What was the purpose in writing an article about him and not Julitza in the voice of Alabama...the must be a reason why publish someting...either to let someone know or see and read... but why Him and not Julitza or other aruban persons. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 06:49:59 PM Just did a site search ...... on April27, 2007 by our very own : "msmarple" >> When you search SM for Jalitza, you will find several older references. Most of us remember discussing the lady in the past. Anyway....here is one from msmarple>> That Ms. Wever happened to be buried a few days after Natalee disappeared. Something like June 2 or June 5 or thereabouts. (And she was young; as they say "too young to die" ... I'm not suggesting foul play.) Anyway, in context, that particular death/burial is what made me think that Natalee might be sharing cemetery space with her. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1099.msg145043#msg145043 Now Look for Micheal Profet in Alabama....Why in Alabama....and look at the dates. here it is in Alabama news http://www.voiceofalabama.com/am21jun05-1.pdf Caps, maybe I'm not understanding but I believe the only reason that AM Digitel article is linked to the Voice of Alabama is because of an article about Natalee in it. then the question is what is Micheal profit article doing is voice of Alabama... What was the purpose in writing an article about him and not Julitza in the voice of Alabama...the must be a reason why publish someting...either to let someone know or see and read... but why Him and not Julitza or other aruban persons. Capslock - I could be wrong but I think what your are seeing is not an article published by the Voice of Alabama, but the Voice of Alabama hotlinked the AM Digital pdf file for June 21, 2005 because of the NH article in it. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: snoopy on September 10, 2008, 06:51:28 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Thank you so much for everything you have done CAPS. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 10, 2008, 06:52:19 PM THIS JUST IN FROM ARUBA via email after I called...Destiny: HalloXXXXXXX The information I get is that the witness is a male. He has make his polygraph test with Jhn S. Swartz. That the information was already in hands of Fiscal Mr. Mos but he hasn't do anything about it. But now that we have it in the newspaper its a big news again. I let you know as soon I have more information about it. We stay in touch Bye have a nice day XXXXXXXXXX Thanks Destiny! IMO we owe alot of this current activitiy in the case to a few in ARUBA who haven't given up and refuse to coverup! Oh my gawd, am I reading this all correct? Hope for Natalee finally........and Joran and Paulus are both implicated? Tell me this is true. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 06:52:31 PM Caps - where the party-goers aware that night that Natalee had died? If so, why weren't they with Joran after he dumped her in the pond? Why was he walking alone? We had decided that Paulass was probably one of the party-goers. Why would he be picking Urine up in his red jeep as he was walking away from the pond? Is it possible that Paulass wasn't at the video party? What happened to the other party-goers by 4 AM? Were the Kalpoes gone by that time? How about Freddy, Steve Croes, Renfro, Guido, and Chemaly? Where were they?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 06:52:32 PM Capslock is awesome! He's the MAN!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 06:54:39 PM Capslock is awesome! He's the MAN! Caps is my hero!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 06:58:37 PM Caps - is this right or was it just a shoe?
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/destinypondpicture3-2.jpg) by the way - I just want to publicly tell you I am sorry I doubted you sometimes.....you have my respect... you're just hard to understand sometimes. thank you for all you have done. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 07:00:30 PM Just did a site search ...... on April27, 2007 by our very own : "msmarple" >> When you search SM for Jalitza, you will find several older references. Most of us remember discussing the lady in the past. Anyway....here is one from msmarple>> That Ms. Wever happened to be buried a few days after Natalee disappeared. Something like June 2 or June 5 or thereabouts. (And she was young; as they say "too young to die" ... I'm not suggesting foul play.) Anyway, in context, that particular death/burial is what made me think that Natalee might be sharing cemetery space with her. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1099.msg145043#msg145043 Now Look for Micheal Profet in Alabama....Why in Alabama....and look at the dates. here it is in Alabama news http://www.voiceofalabama.com/am21jun05-1.pdf Caps, maybe I'm not understanding but I believe the only reason that AM Digitel article is linked to the Voice of Alabama is because of an article about Natalee in it. then the question is what is Micheal profit article doing is voice of Alabama... What was the purpose in writing an article about him and not Julitza in the voice of Alabama...the must be a reason why publish someting...either to let someone know or see and read... but why Him and not Julitza or other aruban persons. Capslock - I could be wrong but I think what your are seeing is not an article published by the Voice of Alabama, but the Voice of Alabama hotlinked the AM Digital pdf file for June 21, 2005 because of the NH article in it. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 07:02:09 PM Just did a site search ...... on April27, 2007 by our very own : "msmarple" >> When you search SM for Jalitza, you will find several older references. Most of us remember discussing the lady in the past. Anyway....here is one from msmarple>> That Ms. Wever happened to be buried a few days after Natalee disappeared. Something like June 2 or June 5 or thereabouts. (And she was young; as they say "too young to die" ... I'm not suggesting foul play.) Anyway, in context, that particular death/burial is what made me think that Natalee might be sharing cemetery space with her. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1099.msg145043#msg145043 Now Look for Micheal Profet in Alabama....Why in Alabama....and look at the dates. here it is in Alabama news http://www.voiceofalabama.com/am21jun05-1.pdf Caps, maybe I'm not understanding but I believe the only reason that AM Digitel article is linked to the Voice of Alabama is because of an article about Natalee in it. then the question is what is Micheal profit article doing is voice of Alabama... What was the purpose in writing an article about him and not Julitza in the voice of Alabama...the must be a reason why publish someting...either to let someone know or see and read... but why Him and not Julitza or other aruban persons. Capslock - I could be wrong but I think what your are seeing is not an article published by the Voice of Alabama, but the Voice of Alabama hotlinked the AM Digital pdf file for June 21, 2005 because of the NH article in it. (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/PROFET.jpg?t=1221087453) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Maria on September 10, 2008, 07:02:17 PM Capslock is awesome! He's the MAN! I will second that and also everyone of the posters here! I just hope Nat's case is solved soon. It's been too long especially with all of the cover ups and corruption etc. I usually read here(for years) but don't post. I am very excited about this. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 07:05:30 PM Capslock is awesome! He's the MAN! I will second that and also everyone of the posters here! I just hope Nat's case is solved soon. It's been too long especially with all of the cover ups and corruption etc. I usually read here(for years) but don't post. I am very excited about this. I'm excited too! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 10, 2008, 07:10:11 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Was this funeral on June 2, 2005? on the 6th Caps - then is she in the crypt? Oh My Gawd again! Is this really true? I cannot stop my heart from racing. Thanks so much Caps and also Jossy for never giving up on Natalee. I salute both of you. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: snoopy on September 10, 2008, 07:12:09 PM Capslock is awesome! He's the MAN! My head is spinning!!! I'm so thankful. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 07:12:50 PM Caps - is this right or was it just a shoe? (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/destinypondpicture3-2.jpg) by the way - I just want to publicly tell you I am sorry I doubted you sometimes.....you have my respect... you're just hard to understand sometimes. thank you for all you have done. Rob - it looks like you are correct with the body. If she was in the pond temporarily, the Dutch forensics people and their dogs might have found some DNA evidence of her temporary location after the pond was drained. We had lots of discussions about why that earth was disturbed only in that location and why the white bucket was sitting there. It must have been the spot where she was resting on the bottom of the pond. Urine must have carried her into the pond or perhaps they did use one of the small inflatable boats from LVR or Renfro's watersports companies. Remember how Renfro posted at RU that there was no activity going on at the pond, while we were simultaneously being told that the area was roped off, lights were on all night, and 40-50 Dtuch forensics people were there with dogs? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 07:27:27 PM For some of the newer posters who might be confused about what has happened, go to the Shango/Simian Codetalkers thread and read the postings from February to about May. Some of us were attempting to decipher the Shango, Simian, and Merian posts with the help of Capslockwizard. Most of this information was discussed months ago. There are also many very interesting photographs and lots of research. The Monserat pond and Matty Apartments will all be explained. Be warned though, the Shango thread has lots of speculation and all possible theories were discussed as possibilities. Some of the topics discussed were pretty hard core. Caps has been a tremendous help to us and without his help, this would not be happening today. Many monkeys also spent many hours researching information. Thank you to everyone who helped.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MuffyBee on September 10, 2008, 07:28:18 PM Capslock is awesome! He's the MAN! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 10, 2008, 07:29:40 PM NEW FRONT PAGE POST: http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/ Natalee Holloway Investigation: Exclusive … Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch in Aruba to meet With ALE/Prosecutor … New Witness That Puts Joran & Paulus Van der Sloot Near Ponds on 5/30/05 Oh I think I am going to cry. I did not think this day would ever come and it is almost here for Natalee and her family. Tim will finish the job and it is up to Aruba NOW to do what it did not do 3 long years ago. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 07:34:47 PM were is this pond exactly ?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 10, 2008, 07:36:10 PM Caps - where the party-goers aware that night that Natalee had died? If so, why weren't they with Joran after he dumped her in the pond? Why was he walking alone? We had decided that Paulass was probably one of the party-goers. Why would he be picking Urine up in his red jeep as he was walking away from the pond? Is it possible that Paulass wasn't at the video party? What happened to the other party-goers by 4 AM? Were the Kalpoes gone by that time? How about Freddy, Steve Croes, Renfro, Guido, and Chemaly? Where were they? RENFRO ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: what am I missing here, what party? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 07:42:15 PM This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news. That means there are two independent people that saw this happen. Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there. Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years. He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news. Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing. Now if this witness can help we could be making progress. Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed here. It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week. but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement. and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever CAPS Was this funeral on June 2, 2005? was it this girl? Carpe's has this info. (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/People%20of%20Intrest/JHHHHJHJJHJHJH.png) YES Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 07:45:15 PM Is it this pond Caps ?
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/POND_COMPLEXkopie.jpg?t=1221090130) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 07:46:56 PM were is this pond exactly ? Johan - for months Rob was creating fantastic maps in Shango. He brought them over today and posted them on page 6 of this thread. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 07:47:00 PM were is this pond exactly ? Johan - back a few pages I posted quite a few of my earth google images... find them here http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.60 there are lats and longs in one of the pics that were provided by Ocean Exploration - Kyle. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 07:47:38 PM Is it this pond Caps ? (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/POND_COMPLEXkopie.jpg?t=1221090130) THAT IS THE POND. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 07:49:52 PM Is it this pond Caps ? (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/POND_COMPLEXkopie.jpg?t=1221090130) Yes, and the Matty Apartments where the video party was held is diagonally across the street. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 07:50:16 PM that's not far from Joran's house
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/pondview.jpg?t=1221090424) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 07:56:25 PM Here is a better overview behind the noord street the Matt app and the lions Den
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/NOORDkopie-5.jpg?t=1221090713) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 07:56:38 PM it's all coming together and it completely explains why Joran is in Thailand.
he is there because there is no extradition treaty with the Netherlands. they knew when the pond was searched it was just a matter of time. IT'S ALL MAKING SENSE NOW. Jail for Paulus? or Suicide? this will be interesting. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: GreatOwl on September 10, 2008, 08:00:41 PM Capslock is awesome! He's the MAN! I will second that and also everyone of the posters here! I just hope Nat's case is solved soon. It's been too long especially with all of the cover ups and corruption etc. I usually read here(for years) but don't post. I am very excited about this. I'm excited too! I really can't get too excited over this. How many times have we been down this path during these last years. It is one thing to have "reports" and "evidence" uncovered. It is quite another to expect the that judicial system in Aruba is about to accept anything at this point. Not to be too negative about this, but I doubt the "judges" would even act on an actual video tape of the crime. The judicial system is corrupt and will not act to resolve this issue. I do hope I am wrong..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 08:02:15 PM it's all coming together and it completely explains why Joran is in Thailand. he is there because there is no extradition treaty with the Netherlands. they knew when the pond was searched it was just a matter of time. IT'S ALL MAKING SENSE NOW. Jail for Paulus? or Suicide? this will be interesting. yes i think they are a bit nervous now rob here is the pond (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/POND_2kopie.jpg?t=1221091051) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 08:03:11 PM Caps - where the party-goers aware that night that Natalee had died? If so, why weren't they with Joran after he dumped her in the pond? Why was he walking alone? We had decided that Paulass was probably one of the party-goers. Why would he be picking Urine up in his red jeep as he was walking away from the pond? Is it possible that Paulass wasn't at the video party? What happened to the other party-goers by 4 AM? Were the Kalpoes gone by that time? How about Freddy, Steve Croes, Renfro, Guido, and Chemaly? Where were they? RENFRO ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: what am I missing here, what party? From what we were able to determine over in Shango, Natalee was probably taken to a video taping party that was held in the Matty Apartments. She was most likely gang raped and video taped while she was under the influence of a drug(s). This is also the location that Dave Holloway mentioned in his book. The Matty Apartments and VIP Lounge next door are owned by members of the Kalpoe family. There were other people at this party in addition to Urine and the pimps. The guest list is in Shango and there are some names that all of you will recognize. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 08:05:56 PM were is this pond exactly ? Johan - back a few pages I posted quite a few of my earth google images... find them here http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.60 there are lats and longs in one of the pics that were provided by Ocean Exploration - Kyle. thanks Rob Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 08:08:54 PM here are the Matt App
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/COMPLEXkopie.jpg?t=1221091607) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 08:10:22 PM it's all coming together and it completely explains why Joran is in Thailand. he is there because there is no extradition treaty with the Netherlands. they knew when the pond was searched it was just a matter of time. IT'S ALL MAKING SENSE NOW. Jail for Paulus? or Suicide? this will be interesting. Oh, Rob - this is just so great. Now that the newspaper has told the public about the witness and Tim is there in person, Mos and his friends will have their backs up against the wall. I doubt if even DTKM will be able to dance his way out of it this time. Too much is suddenly coming together. I hope Urine likes Thailand because he's likely to be there for a very long time and he'd better get himself a few bodyguards. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 08:16:02 PM Caps - where the party-goers aware that night that Natalee had died? If so, why weren't they with Joran after he dumped her in the pond? Why was he walking alone? We had decided that Paulass was probably one of the party-goers. Why would he be picking Urine up in his red jeep as he was walking away from the pond? Is it possible that Paulass wasn't at the video party? What happened to the other party-goers by 4 AM? Were the Kalpoes gone by that time? How about Freddy, Steve Croes, Renfro, Guido, and Chemaly? Where were they? Well this case is is not so complicates as the lenght the authorities went to cover it up.. Any one that understand flowcharts and I have made one up of this case you can see how a lie that do not follow natural human logic need to be cover up...and so the more twist in the storie, the more plausible nd believable it will became and this is a special thechnique that anyone who have study human processes can see that some of wjat was said can not be true and so do not follows natural logic. now like a movie script.....there are a mayor role player and supporting actors and doubles... in the case of natalee the mayor role players are Joran, Paules, Ben Vonking...Supporting actors, the kalpoes now to confuse the case, they mixed it with a drug bust going down. separating the layers of confusion and lies was the mayor task. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 08:16:34 PM I hope that none of you bought Patrick's book because the posters over in Shango warned you not to do it. "They did not build sandcastles"
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 08:22:55 PM Caps - where the party-goers aware that night that Natalee had died? If so, why weren't they with Joran after he dumped her in the pond? Why was he walking alone? We had decided that Paulass was probably one of the party-goers. Why would he be picking Urine up in his red jeep as he was walking away from the pond? Is it possible that Paulass wasn't at the video party? What happened to the other party-goers by 4 AM? Were the Kalpoes gone by that time? How about Freddy, Steve Croes, Renfro, Guido, and Chemaly? Where were they? Well this case is is not so complicates as the lenght the authorities went to cover it up.. Any one that understand flowcharts and I have made one up of this case you can see how a lie that do not follow natural human logic need to be cover up...and so the more twist in the storie, the more plausible nd believable it will became and this is a special thechnique that anyone who have study human processes can see that some of wjat was said can not be true and so do not follows natural logic. now like a movie script.....there are a mayor role player and supporting actors and doubles... in the case of natalee the mayor role players are Joran, Paules, Ben Vonking...Supporting actors, the kalpoes now to confuse the case, they mixed it with a drug bust going down. separating the layers of confusion and lies was the mayor task. Can we see the flow chart or is our friend Regnad hanging around? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 08:27:31 PM Is it this pond Caps ? (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/POND_COMPLEXkopie.jpg?t=1221090130) Yes and the matt apartment are just on the other side... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 10, 2008, 08:27:43 PM I hope that none of you bought Patrick's book because the posters over in Shango warned you not to do it. "They did not build sandcastles" I didn't buy the book, for some reason I just didn't buy the "secret" confession. Why? was he involved in helping Joran? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 08:31:57 PM Caps - where the party-goers aware that night that Natalee had died? If so, why weren't they with Joran after he dumped her in the pond? Why was he walking alone? We had decided that Paulass was probably one of the party-goers. Why would he be picking Urine up in his red jeep as he was walking away from the pond? Is it possible that Paulass wasn't at the video party? What happened to the other party-goers by 4 AM? Were the Kalpoes gone by that time? How about Freddy, Steve Croes, Renfro, Guido, and Chemaly? Where were they? Well this case is is not so complicates as the lenght the authorities went to cover it up.. Any one that understand flowcharts and I have made one up of this case you can see how a lie that do not follow natural human logic need to be cover up...and so the more twist in the storie, the more plausible nd believable it will became and this is a special thechnique that anyone who have study human processes can see that some of wjat was said can not be true and so do not follows natural logic. now like a movie script.....there are a mayor role player and supporting actors and doubles... in the case of natalee the mayor role players are Joran, Paules, Ben Vonking...Supporting actors, the kalpoes now to confuse the case, they mixed it with a drug bust going down. separating the layers of confusion and lies was the mayor task. Can we see the flow chart or is our friend Regnad hanging around? YEP, but I will post soon.... now we are still on ricepaper...and my service has been stop just today....strange. can get on the net...now on WIFI. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 08:33:05 PM I hope that none of you bought Patrick's book because the posters over in Shango warned you not to do it. "They did not build sandcastles" I didn't buy the book, for some reason I just didn't buy the "secret" confession. Why? was he involved in helping Joran? No, I don't think that Patrick was involved at all. We had pretty much figured out that the entire beach story was nonsense based on what we had discovered when we figured out most of the Shango/Simian/Merian codes. It's doubtful that they were ever near the beach that night. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 08:36:47 PM Caps - where the party-goers aware that night that Natalee had died? If so, why weren't they with Joran after he dumped her in the pond? Why was he walking alone? We had decided that Paulass was probably one of the party-goers. Why would he be picking Urine up in his red jeep as he was walking away from the pond? Is it possible that Paulass wasn't at the video party? What happened to the other party-goers by 4 AM? Were the Kalpoes gone by that time? How about Freddy, Steve Croes, Renfro, Guido, and Chemaly? Where were they? Well this case is is not so complicates as the lenght the authorities went to cover it up.. Any one that understand flowcharts and I have made one up of this case you can see how a lie that do not follow natural human logic need to be cover up...and so the more twist in the storie, the more plausible nd believable it will became and this is a special thechnique that anyone who have study human processes can see that some of wjat was said can not be true and so do not follows natural logic. now like a movie script.....there are a mayor role player and supporting actors and doubles... in the case of natalee the mayor role players are Joran, Paules, Ben Vonking...Supporting actors, the kalpoes now to confuse the case, they mixed it with a drug bust going down. separating the layers of confusion and lies was the mayor task. Can we see the flow chart or is our friend Regnad hanging around? YEP, but I will post soon.... now we are still on ricepaper...and my service has been stop just today....strange. can get on the net...now on WIFI. Caps - you need to know that we have been very worried about your safety and we were concerned about DTKM and Mr. Enoz. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 08:39:04 PM Well this case is is not so complicates as the lenght the authorities went to cover it up.. Any one that understand flowcharts and I have made one up of this case you can see how a lie that do not follow natural human logic need to be cover up...and so the more twist in the storie, the more plausible nd believable it will became and this is a special thechnique that anyone who have study human processes can see that some of wjat was said can not be true and so do not follows natural logic. now like a movie script.....there are a mayor role player and supporting actors and doubles... in the case of natalee the mayor role players are Joran, Paules, Ben Vonking...Supporting actors, the kalpoes now to confuse the case, they mixed it with a drug bust going down. separating the layers of confusion and lies was the mayor task. Can we see the flow chart or is our friend Regnad hanging around? YEP, but I will post soon.... now we are still on ricepaper...and my service has been stop just today....strange. can get on the net...now on WIFI. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 08:41:08 PM Hi TM - isn't this just great!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 10, 2008, 08:42:02 PM I hope that none of you bought Patrick's book because the posters over in Shango warned you not to do it. "They did not build sandcastles" I didn't buy the book, for some reason I just didn't buy the "secret" confession. Why? was he involved in helping Joran? there is a saying that we all use when we buy lotto..."If you help me win, and get rich, I will have someting also for you". I will write a book, and we will smoke some pot and then we will build this believable storie and publish it in a book...and get paid in millions and you go to thailand and when money come in we will party some more and then we will lie a bit more in part -2 and make them believe some more..We are good friends from a long time...you are (Joran) a Maton "Murderer" and I am the trickster (Scareface). Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 08:45:41 PM I hope that none of you bought Patrick's book because the posters over in Shango warned you not to do it. "They did not build sandcastles" I didn't buy the book, for some reason I just didn't buy the "secret" confession. Why? was he involved in helping Joran? there is a saying that we all use when we buy lotto..."If you help me win, and get rich, I will have someting also for you". I will write a book, and we will smoke some pot and then we will build this believable storie and publish it in a book...and get paid in millions and you go to thailand and when money come in we will party some more and then we will lie a bit more in part -2 and make them believe some more..We are good friends from a long time...you are (Joran) a Maton "Murderer" and I am the trickster (Scareface). And most people will still not believe that Urine and Patrick knew each other from years before through Patrick's brother's watersports company. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 08:46:20 PM Hi TM - isn't this just great! Hi SS! Yes, it is! I'm very excited and very hopeful! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 10, 2008, 08:48:45 PM Here are the pond -Matt app & the Lions DEN
can you Rob or Caps give a mark were the lions den and the matt complex is ? (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/lionsdenkopie.jpg?t=1221093857) zoom (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/lden-2kopie.jpg?t=1221093993) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: dennisintn on September 10, 2008, 08:48:59 PM Capslock is awesome! He's the MAN! I will second that and also everyone of the posters here! I just hope Nat's case is solved soon. It's been too long especially with all of the cover ups and corruption etc. I usually read here(for years) but don't post. I am very excited about this. I'm excited too! I really can't get too excited over this. How many times have we been down this path during these last years. It is one thing to have "reports" and "evidence" uncovered. It is quite another to expect the that judicial system in Aruba is about to accept anything at this point. Not to be too negative about this, but I doubt the "judges" would even act on an actual video tape of the crime. The judicial system is corrupt and will not act to resolve this issue. i agree with you on that, greatowl. if mos has had the information he's needed to prosecute, i think he's been waiting for the change of judges before he proceeds. dennisintn I do hope I am wrong..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 08:58:32 PM Johan - I can't tell on your map. Check Rob's maps around pages 4- 6 on this thread. The pond is behind a Chinese restaurant and a grocery store with a large parking lot. Diagonally across the street is the VIP Lounge. The Matty Apartments (6 apartments) appear as a red building next to and slightly behind the VIP Lounge. Behind these two buildings is a large junk yard with old cars. There was a large star on one of the buildings. "Follow the star" The "road that was not paved with gold" is the dirt driveway that is between the VIP and the apartments. The apartments can't be seen from the street.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 10, 2008, 08:58:38 PM I hope that none of you bought Patrick's book because the posters over in Shango warned you not to do it. "They did not build sandcastles" I didn't buy the book, for some reason I just didn't buy the "secret" confession. Why? was he involved in helping Joran? there is a saying that we all use when we buy lotto..."If you help me win, and get rich, I will have someting also for you". I will write a book, and we will smoke some pot and then we will build this believable storie and publish it in a book...and get paid in millions and you go to thailand and when money come in we will party some more and then we will lie a bit more in part -2 and make them believe some more..We are good friends from a long time...you are (Joran) a Maton "Murderer" and I am the trickster (Scareface). And most people will still not believe that Urine and Patrick knew each other from years before through Patrick's brother's watersports company. I guess I really need to go to Shango thread and start reading. It always blew my mind trying to follow along. But you all are saying so much more than I had been aware of. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 09:01:54 PM (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond52.jpg)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: WhiskeyGirl on September 10, 2008, 09:01:56 PM IIRC, didn't Aruba give the investigators a hard time because they didn't have work permits?
Did ALE ever door knocking in the area of the beach or pond? I've always wondered who came up with those road-blocks. All the family of Natalee Holloway wanted was to find their daughter. It always seemed odd to me that no one wanted to canvass the neighborhood, or at least have the American's ask around. I wonder if more witnesses will come forward? Maybe the woman who saw four sweaty boys with shovel? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 09:03:48 PM OK Johan, I think I can help you. At the top of your pond there is a red building on the left. That is the Chinese restaurant. At the top right, the white building is the grocery store. At about 2 o'clock from the grocery store you will see a clump of what looks like trees. The driveway and the apartments are behind this. The apartments are in the long thin building.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: WhiskeyGirl on September 10, 2008, 09:05:34 PM Johan - I can't tell on your map. Check Rob's maps around pages 4- 6 on this thread. The pond is behind a Chinese restaurant and a grocery store with a large parking lot. Diagonally across the street is the VIP Lounge. The Matty Apartments (6 apartments) appear as a red building next to and slightly behind the VIP Lounge. Behind these two buildings is a large junk yard with old cars. There was a large star on one of the buildings. "Follow the star" The "road that was not paved with gold" is the dirt driveway that is between the VIP and the apartments. The apartments can't be seen from the street. Wasn't there a witness/suspect/person of interest PV some where that tells of JVDS and others having Chinese food one of the nights after Natalee disappeared? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 10, 2008, 09:07:17 PM I saw the news flash on the Caylee thread right before I left work. I am just now able to sit down and post!!
WOW!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 10, 2008, 09:07:48 PM (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/lionsdenjohan1.jpg)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 10, 2008, 09:09:31 PM (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/lionsdenjohan1.jpg) Is the Matty aptmts where they took Natalee? What is the Lion's Den have to do with this? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 09:15:40 PM I saw the news flash on the Caylee thread right before I left work. I am just now able to sit down and post!! WOW!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: I know, big wow! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 10, 2008, 09:17:46 PM I saw the news flash on the Caylee thread right before I left work. I am just now able to sit down and post!! WOW!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: I know, big wow! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 09:29:03 PM Blue Moom - the Lions Den/VIP lLounge are owned by Kalpoe relatives. The Matty Apartments are also in the complex. From what we learned, Natalee was taken to one of the apartments where there was a video porn party planned. Supposedly this was not the first time that this had been done. Joran and the Pimps were responsible for securing the female - usually a tourist on her last night in Aruba. There were also some adults there that you would recognize. The entire group was involved in the production of porn videos using these tourist victims. There was also a poker game going on. Something happened and Natalee was killed. According to Shango/Simian there was a fight between Urine and a "cool and crazy guy" that Natalee had met earlier in the week. This person is the "5th suspect". We aren't sure who this was and we're still talking about it over in Shango - LVR, Paulass, Freddy, Guido ???? After Natalee died she was supposedly dumped in the pond across the street, but later moved to possibly the Masonic Lodge cemetery. TES is in Aruba right now to deal with all of this. When TES was in Aruba last winter, they scanned the entire pond based on a "credible tip". We have pictures of them scanning the pond in Shango. According to OE, from what they found on their scans, it was determined that the pond needed to be drained for further identification of what TES found. By March, Chavez started acting up and there was a big strike on Aruba, so draining the pond was postponed. TES suddenly packed up Persistence and left. Eventually the pond was drained and 40-50 Dutch forensics people arrived from Holland with dogs. Pictures of the drained pond are in Shango and also the picture that Rob has been posting on this thread tonight. ALE would never confirm if anything had been found. This is about the time that all of the excitement about the white sneaker started. Meanwhile, a witness came forward who lives in the area. That is the story that broke in Diario today. The story is much more complicated than just this and the details are over in Shango. We worked on it for several months.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 09:30:35 PM I saw the news flash on the Caylee thread right before I left work. I am just now able to sit down and post!! WOW!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: I know, big wow! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 10, 2008, 09:35:13 PM Okay, where is the HEAVY discussion going on? here or "shango"?? ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Frijole on September 10, 2008, 09:35:28 PM ::MonkeyDance::
I agree. WOW. Just. WOW. I will try to remain calm and not get my hopes up but this sure does tie a lot of theories and rumors we discussed and disected YEARS ago together. That triangular area was the area they (not sure who did it) projected was the most likely area where activities occurred right? They were spot on. Lions Den... wow that was brought into this early on also. Wasn't one of the monkeys followed or threatened when they were down there taking photos of it and the Chinese restaurant? I haven't gone back to February's Shango postings yet but are we saying that we now believe not only Shango and the other code talkers ALL were REAL? I pray that this is the end and our angel can be brought home where she belongs. Thanks to all for putting this together and sharing it. It is obvious that a great deal of time and work has gone into this. Frijole Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: WhiskeyGirl on September 10, 2008, 09:38:39 PM I saw the news flash on the Caylee thread right before I left work. I am just now able to sit down and post!! WOW!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: I know, big wow! If Joran were picked up by his father, and he was dirty, wouldn't the VDS family truckster(s) have been dirty as well? Isn't it possible that the VDS vehicle(s) had seats, carpet, headliner, and truckliner replaced as well? Maybe the whole VDS vehicle? Where were the VDS vehicles after Natalee disappeared and before they were taken for evidence? Did anyone check for blood in those vehicles? Evidence? Were the VDS vehicles sent to the NFI? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 09:39:33 PM Wreck - read the front page of SM if you haven't already
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 09:41:16 PM I saw the news flash on the Caylee thread right before I left work. I am just now able to sit down and post!! WOW!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: I know, big wow! TM - read what Red posted on the front page. There is a part #2 that Diario hasn't realeased yet, but Red gives some of the details on the front page. Yes, the witness saw Paulass pick Urine up with a red jeep. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: crazybabyborg on September 10, 2008, 09:45:22 PM I saw the news flash on the Caylee thread right before I left work. I am just now able to sit down and post!! WOW!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: I know, big wow! TM - read what Red posted on the front page. There is a part #2 that Diario hasn't realeased yet, but Red gives some of the details on the front page. Yes, the witness saw Paulass pick Urine up with a red jeep. Headed to the front page.............but just HAD to check in first and say WOW, WOO-HOO, and YIPPEE!!!!! Do we know who saw them. did Paulus have a red jeep, which pond, how reliable.................Oh, never mind! It's just so exciting that perhaps SOMETHING is going to break in this case!!!!! I'm heading to the front page..........BRB!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 09:47:19 PM ::MonkeyDance:: I agree. WOW. Just. WOW. I will try to remain calm and not get my hopes up but this sure does tie a lot of theories and rumors we discussed and disected YEARS ago together. That triangular area was the area they (not sure who did it) projected was the most likely area where activities occurred right? They were spot on. Lions Den... wow that was brought into this early on also. Wasn't one of the monkeys followed or threatened when they were down there taking photos of it and the Chinese restaurant? I haven't gone back to February's Shango postings yet but are we saying that we now believe not only Shango and the other code talkers ALL were REAL? I pray that this is the end and our angel can be brought home where she belongs. Thanks to all for putting this together and sharing it. It is obvious that a great deal of time and work has gone into this. Frijole Pretty much, although Simian and Shango have various twists to their story where they protect various Pimps. They are slightly different versions of the same story. At one point last Spring, we identified Simian and Merian as Armin Solognier who is the musician son of the former Chief of Police, Rufo Solognier. He is also a cousin of Steve Croes and lives next door to the grandmother who Steve was living with at the time. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Frijole on September 10, 2008, 09:51:54 PM Pretty much, although Simian and Shango have various twists to their story where they protect various Pimps. They are slightly different versions of the same story. At one point last Spring, we identified Simian and Merian as Armin Solognier who is the musician son of the former Chief of Police, Rufo Solognier. He is also a cousin of Steve Croes and lives next door to the grandmother who Steve was living with at the time. Thank you for explaining/updating me. I always found those posters to be interesting but could never understand why if they knew so much they didn't just say it anonymously but in common English. ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 09:54:00 PM Monkeys - didn't we keep telling you that you should spend more time over in Shango? ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 10, 2008, 09:55:30 PM Wreck - read the front page of SM if you haven't already I had already read the FP, but couldn't decide if the "Paulus pick-up story" was THE big info or if there was more! http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/ I have had some "feelings" since the day The Persistence abruptly left that maybe things had all "come together." The ocean search ended and absolutely no one (including the family) were trying to raise money for a return search. There has been a VERY eery calm! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 09:57:26 PM (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/NataleeSoBeautifl.jpg)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 09:58:10 PM Pretty much, although Simian and Shango have various twists to their story where they protect various Pimps. They are slightly different versions of the same story. At one point last Spring, we identified Simian and Merian as Armin Solognier who is the musician son of the former Chief of Police, Rufo Solognier. He is also a cousin of Steve Croes and lives next door to the grandmother who Steve was living with at the time. Thank you for explaining/updating me. I always found those posters to be interesting but could never understand why if they knew so much they didn't just say it anonymously but in common English. ::MonkeyConfused:: I don't know why they didn't just come out and tell us. Maybe they were afraid of what would happen to them because their cryptic messages have led to some pretty major people on crappy island. Maybe it was also a game for them. Shango and Simian argued with each other at times and once they had a huge cat fight. Some of it might have also been politically motivated in attempt to expose certain people who are/were in power. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MuffyBee on September 10, 2008, 09:58:38 PM Wreck - read the front page of SM if you haven't already I had already read the FP, but couldn't decide if the "Paulus pick-up story" was THE big info or if there was more! http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/ I have had some "feelings" since the day The Persistence abruptly left that maybe things had all "come together." The ocean search ended and absolutely no one (including the family) were trying to raise money for a return search. There has been a VERY eery calm! Wreck ~ Maybe it's the calm before the storm. I'm hoping Natalee can be found and brought home. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 10, 2008, 10:02:45 PM So, the speculation is that Natalee is in a crypt? Do you all mind sharing a brief synopsis? What kind of equipment did Tim take to Aruba?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 10:03:22 PM Wreck - read the front page of SM if you haven't already I had already read the FP, but couldn't decide if the "Paulus pick-up story" was THE big info or if there was more! http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/ I have had some "feelings" since the day The Persistence abruptly left that maybe things had all "come together." The ocean search ended and absolutely no one (including the family) were trying to raise money for a return search. There has been a VERY eery calm! Interesting posts by Kermit in about the last five pages of the last thread IIRC...with the pic of Tim looking at the screen on Persistence. Plus all the posts from months ago by various monkeys including OE...Private Eye...been thinking a lot about all of this today. I am cautiously hoping there's even more than a witness. ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Frijole on September 10, 2008, 10:09:24 PM Monkeys - didn't we keep telling you that you should spend more time over in Shango? ::MonkeyHaHa:: My brain could only handle it in small spurts. LOL I've read Shango and code threads since early days and I remember when PEEPS showed up. I have also read from time to time the most recent sessions but unless you spend a ton of time and read all the links it is hard to ever get caught up. I think the work you guys have done is remarkable. Someday when this is over I think you should all write a book on it. Fascinating. We always said that the web would help solve this. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 10:13:49 PM So, the speculation is that Natalee is in a crypt? Do you all mind sharing a brief synopsis? What kind of equipment did Tim take to Aruba? Wreck - I did a synopsis a page or two before this one. We learned a while ago that she is possibly in a crypt in the Masonic cemetery. Carpe came up with funeral posting from the week that Natalee disappeared. We are speculating (with some good information) that she was buried with or in place of a woman named Jalisa Wever. There is a recap around pages 4-8 on this thread, with pictures. Supposedly, she was dumped in the pond and then retrieved for a burial on June 6th. The searchers were all over the island and nobody was paying attention to the people who were having wakes and being buried. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 10, 2008, 10:18:21 PM I can only hope that Mos is going to act on this information...he's known this for some time and kept it under wraps. How can we expect anything to come of it? I can only see him being forced to do something if they find Natalee in a crypt there. Wonder what the chances of that is? OR is Caps saying they found her in the pond? I have read all the posts today and still don't know what they found in the pond.
I can't get my hopes up about whether Mos will allow this witness testimony to stand. Remember the gardener was supposed to be reliable but they disregarded that too. ALE has no reason now to take this witness at his word regardless of how good his testimony is. If Caps is out there...I have to ask...I didn't see anything in what you sent me that said the witness saw Paulus in the red jeep. Is this something he remembered recently? I kept all the info you sent me and I can't find it. That would corroborate the reason for denial of compensation to Paulus. If they had a witness back then could this be the same person? I can only hope this is the end of this mess for Natalee and her family. Still I can't get excited yet....until I see Paulus and Joran in handcuffs...now that would make me happy. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 10, 2008, 10:20:46 PM So, the speculation is that Natalee is in a crypt? Do you all mind sharing a brief synopsis? What kind of equipment did Tim take to Aruba? Wreck - I did a synopsis a page or two before this one. We learned a while ago that she is possibly in a crypt in the Masonic cemetery. Carpe came up with funeral posting from the week that Natalee disappeared. We are speculating (with some good information) that she was buried with or in place of a woman named Jalisa Wever. There is a recap around pages 4-8 on this thread, with pictures. Supposedly, she was dumped in the pond and then retrieved for a burial on June 6th. The searchers were all over the island and nobody was paying attention to the people who were having wakes and being buried. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: WhiskeyGirl on September 10, 2008, 10:25:23 PM Justice for Natalee, the twenty other tourists, and all others that have been used and discarded by special interests on Aruba.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 10:26:42 PM So, the speculation is that Natalee is in a crypt? Do you all mind sharing a brief synopsis? What kind of equipment did Tim take to Aruba? That is the hope unless she's in the bottom of that pond. Would be better if she were in the crypt. Now the question is can they get access to the crypt? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 10:29:31 PM I can only hope that Mos is going to act on this information...he's known this for some time and kept it under wraps. How can we expect anything to come of it? I can only see him being forced to do something if they find Natalee in a crypt there. Wonder what the chances of that is? OR is Caps saying they found her in the pond? I have read all the posts today and still don't know what they found in the pond. I can't get my hopes up about whether Mos will allow this witness testimony to stand. Remember the gardener was supposed to be reliable but they disregarded that too. ALE has no reason now to take this witness at his word regardless of how good his testimony is. If Caps is out there...I have to ask...I didn't see anything in what you sent me that said the witness saw Paulus in the red jeep. Is this something he remembered recently? I kept all the info you sent me and I can't find it. That would corroborate the reason for denial of compensation to Paulus. If they had a witness back then could this be the same person? I can only hope this is the end of this mess for Natalee and her family. Still I can't get excited yet....until I see Paulus and Joran in handcuffs...now that would make me happy. Hi Lala's - Red is the one who broke the red jeep information on the front page. I think that was supposed to be in part #2 of the Diario newspaper report. Mos might be pressured enough this time, because the witness was brought to Houston on August 8th and he passed two polygraphs. Too many people are now aware here in the US and Aruba. I'm sure that is why Tim is there right now meeting with ALE. After Jossy published Part #1 of the article on Diario today, all of Aruba will know about it. Let's hope that it's just too big this time to hide. Are we close to election time in Aruba? I'm hoping that this is too big for even DTKM to cover up. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MuffyBee on September 10, 2008, 10:31:07 PM So, the speculation is that Natalee is in a crypt? Do you all mind sharing a brief synopsis? What kind of equipment did Tim take to Aruba? That is the hope unless she's in the bottom of that pond. Would be better if she were in the crypt. Now the question is can they get access to the crypt? I agree Klaas. It would be better if Natalee was in the crypt, as far as preservation and dignity goes. But the same question you have on your mind must be on most others: "can they get access to the crypt?". Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 10:33:10 PM (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/VDSVEHICLE5.jpg)
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/VDSVEHICLE3.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 10:36:53 PM (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/VDSVEHICLE1.jpg)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 10:41:21 PM I can only hope that Mos is going to act on this information...he's known this for some time and kept it under wraps. How can we expect anything to come of it? I can only see him being forced to do something if they find Natalee in a crypt there. Wonder what the chances of that is? OR is Caps saying they found her in the pond? I have read all the posts today and still don't know what they found in the pond. I can't get my hopes up about whether Mos will allow this witness testimony to stand. Remember the gardener was supposed to be reliable but they disregarded that too. ALE has no reason now to take this witness at his word regardless of how good his testimony is. If Caps is out there...I have to ask...I didn't see anything in what you sent me that said the witness saw Paulus in the red jeep. Is this something he remembered recently? I kept all the info you sent me and I can't find it. That would corroborate the reason for denial of compensation to Paulus. If they had a witness back then could this be the same person? I can only hope this is the end of this mess for Natalee and her family. Still I can't get excited yet....until I see Paulus and Joran in handcuffs...now that would make me happy. Hi Lala's - Red is the one who broke the red jeep information on the front page. I think that was supposed to be in part #2 of the Diario newspaper report. Mos might be pressured enough this time, because the witness was brought to Houston on August 8th and he passed two polygraphs. Too many people are now aware here in the US and Aruba. I'm sure that is why Tim is there right now meeting with ALE. After Jossy published Part #1 of the article on Diario today, all of Aruba will know about it. Let's hope that it's just too big this time to hide. Are we close to election time in Aruba? I'm hoping that this is too big for even DTKM to cover up. Lala's - I forgot to answer one of your questions. Caps might not have known the details about the red jeep. Part #1 of the witness statement is what Diario reported today. This was the same information that the witness had given to Mos previously. ALE doesn't know the details in Part #2 which is yet to be published. All we know is the part about the red jeep because we got this from Red. Part #2 of the witness statement is the part that the witness didn't give to ALE because he was afraid. He did give it to the Americans and it was part of the polygraph. This will be new information for Mos when it is published in the newspaper. Is there an upcoming election? I'd love to be a mouse in the woodwork when Mos, DTKM, Paulass, and the others read Part #2. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: JustMeT on September 10, 2008, 10:42:44 PM Didnt Dpak say that he got an IM from Joran around 315 am saying he was home? Probably another lie.
I hope this all pans out finally and justice is served. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2008, 10:43:33 PM (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/KermitPost09072008RESkull.jpg)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 10:43:42 PM Sorry everyone, the witness was in Houston for the polygraph on August 5th, not August 8th.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 10:47:58 PM I can only hope that Mos is going to act on this information...he's known this for some time and kept it under wraps. How can we expect anything to come of it? I can only see him being forced to do something if they find Natalee in a crypt there. Wonder what the chances of that is? OR is Caps saying they found her in the pond? I have read all the posts today and still don't know what they found in the pond. I can't get my hopes up about whether Mos will allow this witness testimony to stand. Remember the gardener was supposed to be reliable but they disregarded that too. ALE has no reason now to take this witness at his word regardless of how good his testimony is. If Caps is out there...I have to ask...I didn't see anything in what you sent me that said the witness saw Paulus in the red jeep. Is this something he remembered recently? I kept all the info you sent me and I can't find it. That would corroborate the reason for denial of compensation to Paulus. If they had a witness back then could this be the same person? I can only hope this is the end of this mess for Natalee and her family. Still I can't get excited yet....until I see Paulus and Joran in handcuffs...now that would make me happy. Hi Lala's - Red is the one who broke the red jeep information on the front page. I think that was supposed to be in part #2 of the Diario newspaper report. Mos might be pressured enough this time, because the witness was brought to Houston on August 8th and he passed two polygraphs. Too many people are now aware here in the US and Aruba. I'm sure that is why Tim is there right now meeting with ALE. After Jossy published Part #1 of the article on Diario today, all of Aruba will know about it. Let's hope that it's just too big this time to hide. Are we close to election time in Aruba? I'm hoping that this is too big for even DTKM to cover up. SS - Jossy most likely emailed Red with the jeep info. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 10, 2008, 10:49:18 PM (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/KermitPost09072008RESkull.jpg) Well, you guys KNOW what I think. I think very well that the pond was a temporary burial spot -- SOMETHING was in that damn crab trap. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 10:52:26 PM Didnt Dpak say that he got an IM from Joran around 315 am saying he was home? Probably another lie. I hope this all pans out finally and justice is served. JustmeT - the coverup in Natalee's case is so huge and it goes all the way to the top. Urine and his friends are involved, well known people from Aruba are involved, government officials are involved, and people in other countries are involved. You can't imagine how huge this is. Urine and the Alpo brothers have been everyone's focus because they happened to be the last people seen with Natalee. There are many more people involved. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 10:55:23 PM I can only hope that Mos is going to act on this information...he's known this for some time and kept it under wraps. How can we expect anything to come of it? I can only see him being forced to do something if they find Natalee in a crypt there. Wonder what the chances of that is? OR is Caps saying they found her in the pond? I have read all the posts today and still don't know what they found in the pond. I can't get my hopes up about whether Mos will allow this witness testimony to stand. Remember the gardener was supposed to be reliable but they disregarded that too. ALE has no reason now to take this witness at his word regardless of how good his testimony is. If Caps is out there...I have to ask...I didn't see anything in what you sent me that said the witness saw Paulus in the red jeep. Is this something he remembered recently? I kept all the info you sent me and I can't find it. That would corroborate the reason for denial of compensation to Paulus. If they had a witness back then could this be the same person? I can only hope this is the end of this mess for Natalee and her family. Still I can't get excited yet....until I see Paulus and Joran in handcuffs...now that would make me happy. Hi Lala's - Red is the one who broke the red jeep information on the front page. I think that was supposed to be in part #2 of the Diario newspaper report. Mos might be pressured enough this time, because the witness was brought to Houston on August 8th and he passed two polygraphs. Too many people are now aware here in the US and Aruba. I'm sure that is why Tim is there right now meeting with ALE. After Jossy published Part #1 of the article on Diario today, all of Aruba will know about it. Let's hope that it's just too big this time to hide. Are we close to election time in Aruba? I'm hoping that this is too big for even DTKM to cover up. SS - Jossy most likely emailed Red with the jeep info. Thanks Klaas. Jossy told Angelalala that any information that he sent about the witness could be posted on the forums, so I'm sure that Red had Jossy's permission. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 10:59:56 PM (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/KermitPost09072008RESkull.jpg) Well, you guys KNOW what I think. I think very well that the pond was a temporary burial spot -- SOMETHING was in that damn crab trap. You couldn't be talking about the crab trap that the Dutch Coast Guard took right out from under the noses of the Persistence Crew. And to make matters worse, they threw TES a scarp of fabric to send to Quantico and then disappeared with the contents of the trap. We've never heard a word about the results of any tests that were done. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 11:02:30 PM Caps...I truly hope you are right about this and that Natalee can be given back to her family.
Was there something in Diario about Monserat on Monday? TIA Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: hotping on September 10, 2008, 11:03:01 PM I just wonder what these two had to do with any of this new information....And I wonder how Daury and Ramona can be in two different county jails at the same time...... ::MonkeyCool::
Search Results We found the following 2 offender(s). NOTE: Names in italic are alias names. Register/ Details Last Name First Name Date of Birth Age Custody Status Facility/Reason Reporting Agency RODRIGUEZ DAURY DANIEL 06/28/1986 22 In Custody Hudson County Jail Hudson County Jail RODRIGUEZ DAURY 06/28/1986 22 In Custody Morris County Jail Morris County Jail Register/ Details Last Name First Name Date of Birth Age Custody Status Facility/Reason Reporting Agency RODRIGUEZ RAMONA 11/11/1958 49 In Custody Morris County Jail Morris County Jail RODRIGUEZ RAMONA 11/11/1958 49 In Custody Hudson County Jail Hudson County Jail Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 10, 2008, 11:06:17 PM I believe the Netherlands does have an extradition treaty with Thailand.
Posted by caesu in June 2008: in 2004 a extradition treaty was signed with Thailand. came into force april 1st 2005. precondition was that first 8 years of the sentence were passed in Thailand. http://www.minbuza.nl/nl/actueel/persberichten,2004/08/wots_verdrag_tussen_nederland_en_thailand_getekend.html Machiel Kuijt was extradited in march 2007. and immediately freed over here. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2898.msg388602#msg388602 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: crazybabyborg on September 10, 2008, 11:07:39 PM I'm lost. How does the info in the front page story lead to a crypt?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 11:08:13 PM I just wonder what these two had to do with any of this new information....And I wonder how Daury and Ramona can be in two different county jails at the same time...... ::MonkeyCool:: Search Results We found the following 2 offender(s). NOTE: Names in italic are alias names. Register/ Details Last Name First Name Date of Birth Age Custody Status Facility/Reason Reporting Agency RODRIGUEZ DAURY DANIEL 06/28/1986 22 In Custody Hudson County Jail Hudson County Jail RODRIGUEZ DAURY 06/28/1986 22 In Custody Morris County Jail Morris County Jail Register/ Details Last Name First Name Date of Birth Age Custody Status Facility/Reason Reporting Agency RODRIGUEZ RAMONA 11/11/1958 49 In Custody Morris County Jail Morris County Jail RODRIGUEZ RAMONA 11/11/1958 49 In Custody Hudson County Jail Hudson County Jail Hi Hotping!....Nice to see you!....Hmmmm! And Romona managed to renew her Chamber membership...from jail... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 11:09:06 PM I can only hope that Mos is going to act on this information...he's known this for some time and kept it under wraps. How can we expect anything to come of it? I can only see him being forced to do something if they find Natalee in a crypt there. Wonder what the chances of that is? OR is Caps saying they found her in the pond? I have read all the posts today and still don't know what they found in the pond. I can't get my hopes up about whether Mos will allow this witness testimony to stand. Remember the gardener was supposed to be reliable but they disregarded that too. ALE has no reason now to take this witness at his word regardless of how good his testimony is. If Caps is out there...I have to ask...I didn't see anything in what you sent me that said the witness saw Paulus in the red jeep. Is this something he remembered recently? I kept all the info you sent me and I can't find it. That would corroborate the reason for denial of compensation to Paulus. If they had a witness back then could this be the same person? I can only hope this is the end of this mess for Natalee and her family. Still I can't get excited yet....until I see Paulus and Joran in handcuffs...now that would make me happy. Hi Lala's - Red is the one who broke the red jeep information on the front page. I think that was supposed to be in part #2 of the Diario newspaper report. Mos might be pressured enough this time, because the witness was brought to Houston on August 8th and he passed two polygraphs. Too many people are now aware here in the US and Aruba. I'm sure that is why Tim is there right now meeting with ALE. After Jossy published Part #1 of the article on Diario today, all of Aruba will know about it. Let's hope that it's just too big this time to hide. Are we close to election time in Aruba? I'm hoping that this is too big for even DTKM to cover up. SS - Jossy most likely emailed Red with the jeep info. Thanks Klaas. Jossy told Angelalala that any information that he sent about the witness could be posted on the forums, so I'm sure that Red had Jossy's permission. SS - I can tell you that nobody is MORE careful about posting stuff or keeping confidences than RED. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 11:09:21 PM Does anyone recall hearing about some of the MB students who recognized Paulass and Urine in the red jeep at McDonalds early the next morning? I think that McDonalds is also located along the same road near where the Sloots live and on the way to the pond/Matty Apts.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 11:10:36 PM I can only hope that Mos is going to act on this information...he's known this for some time and kept it under wraps. How can we expect anything to come of it? I can only see him being forced to do something if they find Natalee in a crypt there. Wonder what the chances of that is? OR is Caps saying they found her in the pond? I have read all the posts today and still don't know what they found in the pond. I can't get my hopes up about whether Mos will allow this witness testimony to stand. Remember the gardener was supposed to be reliable but they disregarded that too. ALE has no reason now to take this witness at his word regardless of how good his testimony is. If Caps is out there...I have to ask...I didn't see anything in what you sent me that said the witness saw Paulus in the red jeep. Is this something he remembered recently? I kept all the info you sent me and I can't find it. That would corroborate the reason for denial of compensation to Paulus. If they had a witness back then could this be the same person? I can only hope this is the end of this mess for Natalee and her family. Still I can't get excited yet....until I see Paulus and Joran in handcuffs...now that would make me happy. Hi Lala's - Red is the one who broke the red jeep information on the front page. I think that was supposed to be in part #2 of the Diario newspaper report. Mos might be pressured enough this time, because the witness was brought to Houston on August 8th and he passed two polygraphs. Too many people are now aware here in the US and Aruba. I'm sure that is why Tim is there right now meeting with ALE. After Jossy published Part #1 of the article on Diario today, all of Aruba will know about it. Let's hope that it's just too big this time to hide. Are we close to election time in Aruba? I'm hoping that this is too big for even DTKM to cover up. SS - Jossy most likely emailed Red with the jeep info. Thanks Klaas. Jossy told Angelalala that any information that he sent about the witness could be posted on the forums, so I'm sure that Red had Jossy's permission. SS - I can tell you that nobody is MORE careful about posting stuff or keeping confidences than RED. I know. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 11:11:02 PM Does anyone recall hearing about some of the MB students who recognized Paulass and Urine in the red jeep at McDonalds early the next morning? I think that McDonalds is also located along the same road near where the Sloots live and on the way to the pond/Matty Apts. Yep, I do remember. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: hotping on September 10, 2008, 11:14:09 PM I just wonder what these two had to do with any of this new information....And I wonder how Daury and Ramona can be in two different county jails at the same time...... ::MonkeyCool:: Search Results We found the following 2 offender(s). NOTE: Names in italic are alias names. Register/ Details Last Name First Name Date of Birth Age Custody Status Facility/Reason Reporting Agency RODRIGUEZ DAURY DANIEL 06/28/1986 22 In Custody Hudson County Jail Hudson County Jail RODRIGUEZ DAURY 06/28/1986 22 In Custody Morris County Jail Morris County Jail Register/ Details Last Name First Name Date of Birth Age Custody Status Facility/Reason Reporting Agency RODRIGUEZ RAMONA 11/11/1958 49 In Custody Morris County Jail Morris County Jail RODRIGUEZ RAMONA 11/11/1958 49 In Custody Hudson County Jail Hudson County Jail Hi Hotping!....Nice to see you!....Hmmmm! And Romona managed to renew her Chamber membership...from jail... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: nonesuche on September 10, 2008, 11:14:49 PM I'm happy to see some development like Frijole but like Lala's, I am afraid to hope Mos won't squash this again. We shall see.
FYI, this isn't the first speculation that hiding Natalee in a crypt has emerged as many of you know. That and other burial grounds around Tanki Flip were the only 'sacred ground' on the island that could be considered relatively safe from search always. Paulus and Anita fancy themselves archeaological buffs as well......you do the math. God bless Natalee and her family. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: spooky112483 on September 10, 2008, 11:14:50 PM Hello everyone!
Amazing news!!! Do we know when the next edition of Diario with the second installment will be out? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 10, 2008, 11:15:17 PM I can only hope that Mos is going to act on this information...he's known this for some time and kept it under wraps. How can we expect anything to come of it? I can only see him being forced to do something if they find Natalee in a crypt there. Wonder what the chances of that is? OR is Caps saying they found her in the pond? I have read all the posts today and still don't know what they found in the pond. I can't get my hopes up about whether Mos will allow this witness testimony to stand. Remember the gardener was supposed to be reliable but they disregarded that too. ALE has no reason now to take this witness at his word regardless of how good his testimony is. If Caps is out there...I have to ask...I didn't see anything in what you sent me that said the witness saw Paulus in the red jeep. Is this something he remembered recently? I kept all the info you sent me and I can't find it. That would corroborate the reason for denial of compensation to Paulus. If they had a witness back then could this be the same person? I can only hope this is the end of this mess for Natalee and her family. Still I can't get excited yet....until I see Paulus and Joran in handcuffs...now that would make me happy. Hi Lala's - Red is the one who broke the red jeep information on the front page. I think that was supposed to be in part #2 of the Diario newspaper report. Mos might be pressured enough this time, because the witness was brought to Houston on August 8th and he passed two polygraphs. Too many people are now aware here in the US and Aruba. I'm sure that is why Tim is there right now meeting with ALE. After Jossy published Part #1 of the article on Diario today, all of Aruba will know about it. Let's hope that it's just too big this time to hide. Are we close to election time in Aruba? I'm hoping that this is too big for even DTKM to cover up. Good deal! About time we got something done in this case. Natalee needs to be found and brought home. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 11:18:56 PM Hello everyone! Amazing news!!! Do we know when the next edition of Diario with the second installment will be out? Hi Spooky - I'm not sure, hopefully tomorrow! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MuffyBee on September 10, 2008, 11:21:04 PM Hello everyone! Amazing news!!! Do we know when the next edition of Diario with the second installment will be out? Good to see you Spooky. Long time, no see. Good to see Nonesuche posting here in Natalee's thread too. ::MonkeyDance:: I don't know the answer to your question about Diario. Sorry. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 11:21:13 PM I'm happy to see some development like Frijole but like Lala's, I am afraid to hope Mos won't squash this again. We shall see. FYI, this isn't the first speculation that hiding Natalee in a crypt has emerged as many of you know. That and other burial grounds around Tanki Flip were the only 'sacred ground' on the island that could be considered relatively safe from search always. Paulus and Anita fancy themselves archeaological buffs as well......you do the math. God bless Natalee and her family. Hi None....I didn't know about Paulus and Anita being archeaological buffs...Thanks! Thanks for the surprise earlier ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 10, 2008, 11:24:16 PM A few more questions! If Mos doesn't know everything Diario knows -- who invited Tim back to Aruba? Who is making things happen??
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 11:25:09 PM I just wonder what these two had to do with any of this new information....And I wonder how Daury and Ramona can be in two different county jails at the same time...... ::MonkeyCool:: Search Results We found the following 2 offender(s). NOTE: Names in italic are alias names. Register/ Details Last Name First Name Date of Birth Age Custody Status Facility/Reason Reporting Agency RODRIGUEZ DAURY DANIEL 06/28/1986 22 In Custody Hudson County Jail Hudson County Jail RODRIGUEZ DAURY 06/28/1986 22 In Custody Morris County Jail Morris County Jail Register/ Details Last Name First Name Date of Birth Age Custody Status Facility/Reason Reporting Agency RODRIGUEZ RAMONA 11/11/1958 49 In Custody Morris County Jail Morris County Jail RODRIGUEZ RAMONA 11/11/1958 49 In Custody Hudson County Jail Hudson County Jail OMG Hotping. This is huge. The Hudson County jail in Kearny is at least 20 miles away from the Morris County jail which is out near Morristown. This is really unusual. Ramona was arrested in Secaucus which is in Hudson County. We were never able to determine exactly where Daury was arrested, but we assumed that it was Hudson County because that's where he was in jail. I had heard that it was at Newark airport, but the airport is in Essex County. This was obviously part of a bigger drug bust because Ramona's daughter was arrested the same day over in NYC. I wonder if they are facing charges in Morris County because part of the ring might have been operating over there???? I am in Bergen County and we recently built a huge new jail in Hackensack. The county makes money by taking in "prison borders" from other places as far away as Pennsylvania. Maybe Hudson County jail is getting full and they have sent them out to another county. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 11:28:41 PM A few more questions! If Mos doesn't know everything Diario knows -- who invited Tim back to Aruba? Who is making things happen?? Now that's a good question Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 11:34:15 PM A few more questions! If Mos doesn't know everything Diario knows -- who invited Tim back to Aruba? Who is making things happen?? Now that's a good question I wonder who brought the witness to Houston to be tested by the polygraph people. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 11:36:00 PM A few more questions! If Mos doesn't know everything Diario knows -- who invited Tim back to Aruba? Who is making things happen?? Now that's a good question I wonder who brought the witness to Houston to be tested by the polygraph people. I imagine that could have been arranged by alot of people. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: spooky112483 on September 10, 2008, 11:38:48 PM Hello everyone! Amazing news!!! Do we know when the next edition of Diario with the second installment will be out? Hi Spooky - I'm not sure, hopefully tomorrow! thanks, i'll be checking in tomorrow for sure! great seeing you Klass, and all of you. I 've missed ya'll and hope everyone is well. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: spooky112483 on September 10, 2008, 11:39:35 PM Hello everyone! Amazing news!!! Do we know when the next edition of Diario with the second installment will be out? Good to see you Spooky. Long time, no see. Good to see Nonesuche posting here in Natalee's thread too. ::MonkeyDance:: I don't know the answer to your question about Diario. Sorry. great to see you too Muffy! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 10, 2008, 11:40:30 PM I'm exhausted. Good Night everyone and say some prayers.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MuffyBee on September 10, 2008, 11:42:58 PM Goodnight to you SS, pleasant dreams! :smt015
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 11:43:52 PM I'm exhausted. Good Night everyone and say some prayers. Good Night...Too much coffee here and it is almost time to get up! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 11:51:03 PM Nite SS
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2008, 11:52:03 PM MUM, lolol
Tell you what, I'm not sure how I'm going to survive if stuff happens in Aruba and Orlando at the same time!!! ::MonkeyShocked:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 10, 2008, 11:56:51 PM MUM, lolol Tell you what, I'm not sure how I'm going to survive if stuff happens in Aruba and Orlando at the same time!!! ::MonkeyShocked:: Klaas I have been waking up at 2AM so I drank coffe at dinner so I would go to bed later...It worked...LOL Trying to catch up over in Casey's thread.... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: casa on September 10, 2008, 11:57:31 PM Klaas, guess you'll have to be super super woman! If anyone can handle it you can!
::MonkeyConfused:: This would be me trying to keep up! haha Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: snoopy on September 11, 2008, 12:02:11 AM Hello everyone! Amazing news!!! Do we know when the next edition of Diario with the second installment will be out? Good to see you spooky!! Nobody's been turning out the lights at night since forever. lol Maybe tomm. we'll get the second part. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 11, 2008, 12:03:45 AM Caps...I truly hope you are right about this and that Natalee can be given back to her family. Was there something in Diario about Monserat on Monday? TIA Yes, My Monserat Avatar was here for a long time and all lead to this place...and from here it lead to a cemetary.. let see now who will flow the cucusnest. Some off the culprit are now bigshot in oraganization like the mariotte, but who said that they can not be called in for questioning...We are already calling polis Hudge in for questioning... even if he do not like it or take it personally, If you break the law, be part of the game, participate in any form whatsoever, then he sould be acountable for his decisions and actions...and this goes for all including the prime itself... Follow the news these days. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 12:04:33 AM More fatal traffic accidents in Aruba:
http://www.24ora.com/ (http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif) Di dos morto den accidente a cay Policial Wednesday, 10 September 2008 - 20:02 Diaranson atardi ora cu e accidente fatal a pasa e la laga un saldo di un morto atras. Na e momentonan aki nos ta ricibiendo informacion cu lo mester tin un di dos persona cu a fayece a causa di e accidente aki na Savaneta. Lo mester trata di un di e personanan cu a keda herida y a bay Hospital cu Ambulance. (http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2008/september2008/savaneta/IMG_9380.JPG) Accidente cu morto na Savaneta Policial Wednesday, 10 September 2008 - 17:44 Awetardi,pa mas o menos 16:55 ora, central di polis ta haya un yamada cu a sosode un accidente fatal riba caminda principal di Sanicolas pa Playa, na haltura di Wing Wah restaurant na savaneta. Patrouille cu ta yega na e sitio ta constata cu a sosode un accidente bastante grave entre e auto A27290, un BMW blauw, maneha pa e homber di fam P. y e auto A-50145, e nissan sentra cora den cual probablemente lo tabatin 3 of 4 persona (no ta sigur na e momentonan aki) di nacionalidad Haitiano. Tabatin un hende muher cu no tabata duna senjal di bida y tres otro persona mas cu tabata tur foi tino y algun di nan den estado hopi critico. Tur e victimanana a wordo hiba cu urgencia pa hospital mientras cu un rato despues dokter Britt-Croes a constata morto oficialmente di e victima femenino cu te ainda su identidad no ta conoci. E manehador di e BMW a wordo deteni y hiba warda di Santa Cruz pa test y mas investigacion. Tur dos vehiculo a haya danjo material considerable. Click read more pa mas imagen. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: snoopy on September 11, 2008, 12:05:49 AM MUM, lolol Tell you what, I'm not sure how I'm going to survive if stuff happens in Aruba and Orlando at the same time!!! ::MonkeyShocked:: lol lol I'm thinking the same thing. I updated hubby on what's goin on and while he is very happy that things are moving forward possibly with Natalee he knows that I'm gonna be planted in this chair for a long time. lol Good luck keeping up with both threads. lol We'll try to behave best we can. lol Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: snoopy on September 11, 2008, 12:08:03 AM Caps...I truly hope you are right about this and that Natalee can be given back to her family. Was there something in Diario about Monserat on Monday? TIA Yes, My Monserat Avatar was here for a long time and all lead to this place...and from here it lead to a cemetary.. let see now who will flow the cucusnest. Some off the culprit are now bigshot in oraganization like the mariotte, but who said that they can not be called in for questioning...We are already calling polis Hudge in for questioning... even if he do not like it or take it personally, If you break the law, be part of the game, participate in any form whatsoever, then he sould be acountable for his decisions and actions...and this goes for all including the prime itself... Follow the news these days. God Bless you Caps and be safe. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 12:08:31 AM Hello Caps! (Many, Many thanks!)
Can you tell us "who" are the good guys in Aruba behind TES returning to Aruba? Who can be trusted? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 12:09:59 AM Caps...I truly hope you are right about this and that Natalee can be given back to her family. Was there something in Diario about Monserat on Monday? TIA Yes, My Monserat Avatar was here for a long time and all lead to this place...and from here it lead to a cemetary.. let see now who will flow the cucusnest. Some off the culprit are now bigshot in oraganization like the mariotte, but who said that they can not be called in for questioning...We are already calling polis Hudge in for questioning... even if he do not like it or take it personally, If you break the law, be part of the game, participate in any form whatsoever, then he sould be acountable for his decisions and actions...and this goes for all including the prime itself... Follow the news these days. Caps - I'm so glad you just posted. I see all of these accidents in Aruba and I always worry about you! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2008, 12:11:22 AM Caps...I truly hope you are right about this and that Natalee can be given back to her family. Was there something in Diario about Monserat on Monday? TIA Yes, My Monserat Avatar was here for a long time and all lead to this place...and from here it lead to a cemetary.. let see now who will flow the cucusnest. Some off the culprit are now bigshot in oraganization like the mariotte, but who said that they can not be called in for questioning...We are already calling polis Hudge in for questioning... even if he do not like it or take it personally, If you break the law, be part of the game, participate in any form whatsoever, then he sould be acountable for his decisions and actions...and this goes for all including the prime itself... Follow the news these days. You're right Caps...they all need to be accountable; let's just see if it comes to pass. We've got our eyes on you, ARUBA!!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 11, 2008, 12:13:06 AM MUM, lolol Tell you what, I'm not sure how I'm going to survive if stuff happens in Aruba and Orlando at the same time!!! ::MonkeyShocked:: I hear ya......had to take a break from Orlando, and then this started to flourish....it's an anxiety moment....for sure. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 11, 2008, 12:16:11 AM Caps...I truly hope you are right about this and that Natalee can be given back to her family. Was there something in Diario about Monserat on Monday? TIA Yes, My Monserat Avatar was here for a long time and all lead to this place...and from here it lead to a cemetary.. let see now who will flow the cucusnest. Some off the culprit are now bigshot in oraganization like the mariotte, but who said that they can not be called in for questioning...We are already calling polis Hudge in for questioning... even if he do not like it or take it personally, If you break the law, be part of the game, participate in any form whatsoever, then he sould be acountable for his decisions and actions...and this goes for all including the prime itself... Follow the news these days. Caps...Is the "yes" to the Monday's Diario? Do you happen to know what Paulus jobs with the Aruban government up until the end of 2002 entailed? Thanks In Advance... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2008, 12:16:52 AM Caps...I truly hope you are right about this and that Natalee can be given back to her family. Was there something in Diario about Monserat on Monday? TIA Yes, My Monserat Avatar was here for a long time and all lead to this place...and from here it lead to a cemetary.. let see now who will flow the cucusnest. Some off the culprit are now bigshot in oraganization like the mariotte, but who said that they can not be called in for questioning...We are already calling polis Hudge in for questioning... even if he do not like it or take it personally, If you break the law, be part of the game, participate in any form whatsoever, then he sould be acountable for his decisions and actions...and this goes for all including the prime itself... Follow the news these days. Caps - I'm so glad you just posted. I see all of these accidents in Aruba and I always worry about you! Me too! Caps...do be careful! And if there's any way possible please drive around in an armored tank, or something wreck proof! There are some horrid pics in tomorrow's Awemainta of what I believe was a fatal wreck. I can't remember a single day of looking at the papers and not seeing numerous wrecks, it's sickening. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 12:19:53 AM enough about "wrecks" !! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 11, 2008, 12:23:28 AM CAPS, thanks for all you've done....I'm heading out for the night.
As Dorothy said "There's no place like home"....Praying that this is the answer and Natalee will be 'home', soon....God willing. G'nite all. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Hotshot on September 11, 2008, 12:36:57 AM Caps, you have an email........ P.S. stay on WIFI ::MonkeyCool::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 11, 2008, 12:37:39 AM Well wow!!!! Destiny said Natalee was in a deep hole, buried with a younger person......
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: spooky112483 on September 11, 2008, 12:41:49 AM Hello everyone! Amazing news!!! Do we know when the next edition of Diario with the second installment will be out? Good to see you spooky!! Nobody's been turning out the lights at night since forever. lol Maybe tomm. we'll get the second part. oh snoopy! wonderful to see you! hope all is well with you. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Tibrogargan on September 11, 2008, 12:42:59 AM Posted by Pearl at BFN: What I make of it : A tourist inside his room/casa at 4:05 saw Caps said it was somebody that lived on island. by a tree, dam of Montseret - hotel 1 person, notably tall male, color of cuero cla (white?) saw good and clear clothes flanel color I wonder what color that is...red maybe? leg limp in right leg breathing heavily clothes were wet and muddy This is the same as Caps witness story. much color flanel much lb of blood showing Never heard anything about blood. wet with water and mud watched til went out of site went in direction of hotel tourist heard of case of missing girl Caps witness was not a tourist. knew had seen pair recognized male as Joran when saw photo in paper afraid when heard father in power with police friends witness didn't feel safe This is exactly like Caps witness story. the Madruga 500 meters from dam of montseret at north sonor test of some water water level caused stop like Mos knew of witness tried to discredit defending Joran Diario knowing this for months. Will give more soon witness is in states, has an attorney has passed 2 polygraph tests he was in his room and saw this. Caps witness went to an attorney...not in a hotel room. Posted by angelalala at BFN: Well... here's my unedited response from Jossy... Angela, Hi. Hope everything's okay with you and your family. I'm confident that with this new development, and if Mos doesn't interfere by destroying evidence, we will see an end to this very sad case. Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon. We are willing to take on Mos and whomever else wants to raise obstacles in the path to the solution of the Nathalie case. We have some pretty good information now that can open the road to a definite solution to the case. It will all depend on how strongly the prosecution will want to oppose our findings. Personally, and from what I've seen in this case, I don't trust those people. You can use anything I tell you in any public forum. Take care Jossy Thanks to all. This must be someone else besides Caps witness...because only a few things fit with what I know about the witness. So maybe this is corroborating evidence to go with Caps witness too. Mos always insisted that there be someone else to back up what was said or seen. Lalas my understanding of "flannel" is a cream or beige colour. Also I remember a monkey (MrsKub?) explaining how there is often a false bottom in a casket to raise the body up to the level of the sides and so there could be room to place a second body underneath if intended occupants are both small or normal size. Quietly confident here with this new revelation and hope it leads to answers for Natlee's family. Good work monkeys - it has been a long three years but we may be able to see a resolution in not too distant future. God bless all of Natalee's loving family. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2008, 12:46:59 AM enough about "wrecks" !! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool:: oops...sorry bout that wreck...I meant to say there's been a lot of car crashes. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Anna on September 11, 2008, 01:08:31 AM Really good to see some old friends back posting. I am eager to hear who invited TES to return and search again. It's disappointing to hear Mos knew of this so much earlier and I wonder why he did not deem the witness credible before but will take anything we can get at this point.
I also hope the second part appears in Diario very soon as sometimes they just seem to lose interest. Case in point the tape of Dompig in Jossy's office that we only saw a little bit of. Maybe Red will find out who invited TES back and write another FP article with more details. Yes, I believe there are others who saw Paulus and Joran in the red jeep around 4 a.m. Please let this be the answer to our prayers and to bringing Natalee home. Anna Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: casa on September 11, 2008, 01:09:15 AM MUM, lolol Tell you what, I'm not sure how I'm going to survive if stuff happens in Aruba and Orlando at the same time!!! ::MonkeyShocked:: nite Klaas. Hope you survive the "stuff." ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: snoopy on September 11, 2008, 01:17:11 AM Good to see you too Anna. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: memphis on September 11, 2008, 01:37:12 AM WOW!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 01:49:44 AM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Puzzler on September 11, 2008, 02:10:40 AM This is stunning news! It's just the BEST!! Now we know why Tim Miller packed up and vamoosed out of Orlando soooo quickly!
I checked in on this thread several times after that, but not yesterday until late at night. What a surprise to see everything breaking loose. I'm waiting with bated breath until Jossie's next addition! So much hard work by so many is hopefully going to bring Natalee home. Thank you, CAPS, for all of your hard work. I can't wait to see what you've put together. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 11, 2008, 02:41:38 AM MUM, lolol Tell you what, I'm not sure how I'm going to survive if stuff happens in Aruba and Orlando at the same time!!! ::MonkeyShocked:: LOL! Me either! Hello all-- this is stunning news and I hope and pray at long last this case will have closure. Great to see everyone! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ldstlou on September 11, 2008, 02:42:47 AM Really good to see some old friends back posting. I am eager to hear who invited TES to return and search again. It's disappointing to hear Mos knew of this so much earlier and I wonder why he did not deem the witness credible before but will take anything we can get at this point. I also hope the second part appears in Diario very soon as sometimes they just seem to lose interest. Case in point the tape of Dompig in Jossy's office that we only saw a little bit of. Maybe Red will find out who invited TES back and write another FP article with more details. Yes, I believe there are others who saw Paulus and Joran in the red jeep around 4 a.m. Please let this be the answer to our prayers and to bringing Natalee home. Anna Anna, Good to see you again!! But weren't you adamant that you emailed Mos about the search at the pond and he assured you it had nothing to do with Natalee's case? I thought you even showed me how it was not possible the pics we saw were from draining the pond for evidence, that the pond had just naturally dried up and you could tell by the surrounding vegetation? Am I getting confused? Very possible...you know me..lol Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ldstlou on September 11, 2008, 02:43:37 AM Really good to see some old friends back posting. I am eager to hear who invited TES to return and search again. It's disappointing to hear Mos knew of this so much earlier and I wonder why he did not deem the witness credible before but will take anything we can get at this point. I also hope the second part appears in Diario very soon as sometimes they just seem to lose interest. Case in point the tape of Dompig in Jossy's office that we only saw a little bit of. Maybe Red will find out who invited TES back and write another FP article with more details. Yes, I believe there are others who saw Paulus and Joran in the red jeep around 4 a.m. Please let this be the answer to our prayers and to bringing Natalee home. Anna PS...your avatar is just so darned cute!!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: IBE on September 11, 2008, 04:14:40 AM Really good to see some old friends back posting. I am eager to hear who invited TES to return and search again. It's disappointing to hear Mos knew of this so much earlier and I wonder why he did not deem the witness credible before but will take anything we can get at this point. I also hope the second part appears in Diario very soon as sometimes they just seem to lose interest. Case in point the tape of Dompig in Jossy's office that we only saw a little bit of. Maybe Red will find out who invited TES back and write another FP article with more details. Yes, I believe there are others who saw Paulus and Joran in the red jeep around 4 a.m. Please let this be the answer to our prayers and to bringing Natalee home. Anna OH Anna!! We have missed you! You have made my BD today by me seeing you back here! Now if we can just find ROBOTS! Can we send him a CARE package of oil? Hope these developments of late help Natalee, her family, friends and our Monkey Family. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: IBE on September 11, 2008, 05:39:23 AM So, CAPS, I am taking for granted this is a Masonic Cemetery for the whole family of the Masonic member? Was she in Eastern Star (think she is a tad too old for Rainbow Girls). Did they have an Eastern Star funeral? So her father was a Mason? How many Degrees? How about the grandfather?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 06:06:45 AM here another view
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/LDEN-5kopie.jpg?t=1221124798) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 11, 2008, 07:33:21 AM Caps...I truly hope you are right about this and that Natalee can be given back to her family. Was there something in Diario about Monserat on Monday? TIA Yes, My Monserat Avatar was here for a long time and all lead to this place...and from here it lead to a cemetary.. let see now who will flow the cucusnest. Some off the culprit are now bigshot in oraganization like the mariotte, but who said that they can not be called in for questioning...We are already calling polis Hudge in for questioning... even if he do not like it or take it personally, If you break the law, be part of the game, participate in any form whatsoever, then he sould be acountable for his decisions and actions...and this goes for all including the prime itself... Follow the news these days. I am just checking in to see if there are any new developments during the night. I will be back late this afternoon. Caps, I want to tell you once again how much we appreciate your help and your efforts. Stay safe and be careful. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 11, 2008, 07:41:16 AM Does anyone have an ariel view of the Masonic Lodge cemetery? I haven't be able to find the exact location.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: nonesuche on September 11, 2008, 07:55:32 AM SS if anyone does it's Klaas, but hopefully she's still asleep !
dutchlady was the first poster to relate a theory regarding a crypt and that was in the end of summer/early fall just months post Natalee's disappearance. I think we all assumed it would be in the graveyard around the corner from Paulus' home, I believe St Anne's? I'd have to look back at my notes from dutchlady and Hammer to be sure..... I actually never heard of a Masonic cemetary......... Caps, godspeed and be safe. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 11, 2008, 08:07:50 AM SS if anyone does it's Klaas, but hopefully she's still asleep ! dutchlady was the first poster to relate a theory regarding a crypt and that was in the end of summer/early fall just months post Natalee's disappearance. I think we all assumed it would be in the graveyard around the corner from Paulus' home, I believe St Anne's? I'd have to look back at my notes from dutchlady and Hammer to be sure..... I actually never heard of a Masonic cemetary......... Caps, godspeed and be safe. If I recall correctly, it was explained to us that when they decided to put Natalee in a crypt it was going to be difficult to put her into one of the Catholic or Protestant cemetaries because burials there required too much paperwork and procedures. It would be too hard to cover up. Access to a Masonic cemetary can be done through just the Grand Master of the Lodge. "He has the key". It some members of the lodge were in fact involved, this task would be much less complicated. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 08:36:49 AM Caps
If you are reading here...I am sending you an email....you might want to answer it. Thanks. ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: nonesuche on September 11, 2008, 08:40:55 AM Thanks SS, actually Freddy was an acolyte at St Anne's and even the priest there refused to speak with Natalee's father Dave, when he attempted to meet with him.
I don't think Paulus was hemmed in by paperwork demands anywhere on that island however, I do think he and his son were not above simply opening a crypt during the night. I just pray the truth comes out finally so that Natalee can be put to rest with her loving family on our soil, with the respect and dignity that she deserves. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 08:49:38 AM the witness said this :
The clothes he had on was a red tee shirt and long clear colored pants was he that evening in a red t-shirt ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 08:53:33 AM SS if anyone does it's Klaas, but hopefully she's still asleep ! dutchlady was the first poster to relate a theory regarding a crypt and that was in the end of summer/early fall just months post Natalee's disappearance. I think we all assumed it would be in the graveyard around the corner from Paulus' home, I believe St Anne's? I'd have to look back at my notes from dutchlady and Hammer to be sure..... I actually never heard of a Masonic cemetary......... Caps, godspeed and be safe. Hi there! Do you still have any of that info? It would be great if we could repost it in here. Thanks! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 08:55:02 AM the witness said this : The clothes he had on was a red tee shirt and long clear colored pants was he that evening in a red t-shirt ? Where did you get red t-shirt? That is not what I understand, I must have missed that detail. Could you please help me find that part of the story? TIA Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 08:57:09 AM He also saw the form (profile) of his head and one side of his face.
The clothes he had on was a red tee shirt and long clear colored pants . Remarcable was that this person was walking with a limp, and here is where the witness saw that he lacked one tennis shoe. He calculated that from the way he was walking, he was missing the tennis shoes of his right foot. was it a red shirt or a white shirt with blood on it ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 08:59:14 AM I have a question....how hard is it to open a crypt during the night and no one be able to detect it later? Anyone?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 08:59:51 AM He also saw the form (profile) of his head and one side of his face. The clothes he had on was a red tee shirt and long clear colored pants . Remarcable was that this person was walking with a limp, and here is where the witness saw that he lacked one tennis shoe. He calculated that from the way he was walking, he was missing the tennis shoes of his right foot. was it a red shirt or a white shirt with blood on it ? Thanks. is this in the Dairio story? That is why I ask. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 09:02:07 AM He also saw the form (profile) of his head and one side of his face. The clothes he had on was a red tee shirt and long clear colored pants . Remarcable was that this person was walking with a limp, and here is where the witness saw that he lacked one tennis shoe. He calculated that from the way he was walking, he was missing the tennis shoes of his right foot. was it a red shirt or a white shirt with blood on it ? Thanks. is this in the Dairio story? That is why I ask. yes mom but it is not easy te see a color when it is a bit dark or is there daylight at 4 o clock ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 09:03:54 AM Thursday 9:02 AM.....NEW EMAIL FROM ARUBA...
Hallo xxxxxx; I don't know if the witness has met with Paulus van der Sloot, but that is the other declaration that the witness has done with the polygraphic test. But today in the newspaper we published that Tim Miller want to meet with Fiscal Mos to have an aprobation to search the ponds of Monserat. I let you know as soon I have more information. Have a nice day xxxxx Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 09:04:04 AM He also saw the form (profile) of his head and one side of his face. The clothes he had on was a red tee shirt and long clear colored pants . Remarcable was that this person was walking with a limp, and here is where the witness saw that he lacked one tennis shoe. He calculated that from the way he was walking, he was missing the tennis shoes of his right foot. was it a red shirt or a white shirt with blood on it ? Thanks. is this in the Dairio story? That is why I ask. yes mom but it is not easy te see a color when it is a bit dark or is there daylight at 4 o clock ? Gosh! I have no idea about the light there at 4 in the morning. That is a good question. I had never heard about the red t-shirt detail until now. Just trying to get my facts straight. I can't read Dutch or Pap so I have to rely on those of you that can. Thanks for your help. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: greeneyedlady on September 11, 2008, 09:05:17 AM Just want to say hello to all and even tho I haven't been posting, I have been reading and hope this will be what brings peace to Natalee's family. It's been a long time coming. I am standing with the "girl", Beth, Dave, Matt, Jug, Robin, the rest of Natalee's family and friends, and all the great monkeys that have been here to see that there is justice for Natalee. A big thanks to Red, Tim Miller, his crew, the ocean exploration crew, and our Klaas for what she does and has done here to keep Natalee's story alive. ::MonkeyDance::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 09:05:46 AM Thursday 9:02 AM.....NEW EMAIL FROM ARUBA... Hallo xxxxxx; I don't know if the witness has met with Paulus van der Sloot, but that is the other declaration that the witness has done with the polygraphic test. But today in the newspaper we published that Tim Miller want to meet with Fiscal Mos to have an aprobation to search the ponds of Monserat. I let you know as soon I have more information. Have a nice day xxxxx Sorry I am so pesky this morning..but I have good reason to be. LOL Why would this witness meet with Paulus? Can you explain? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 09:07:57 AM Moving my request along...
Caps If you are reading here...I am sending you an email....you might want to answer it. Thanks. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 09:19:29 AM Thursday 9:02 AM.....NEW EMAIL FROM ARUBA... Hallo xxxxxx; I don't know if the witness has met with Paulus van der Sloot, but that is the other declaration that the witness has done with the polygraphic test. But today in the newspaper we published that Tim Miller want to meet with Fiscal Mos to have an aprobation to search the ponds of Monserat. I let you know as soon I have more information. Have a nice day xxxxx Sorry I am so pesky this morning..but I have good reason to be. LOL Why would this witness meet with Paulus? Can you explain? I don't know what it means....this is the complete email...I was told via phone yesterday that the new witness took, and passed 2 polygraph tests in the US...so I would take it to mean that one of those tests was in regards ro PVS...I really don't know...sigh....time for another phone call. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: casa on September 11, 2008, 09:33:56 AM He also saw the form (profile) of his head and one side of his face. The clothes he had on was a red tee shirt and long clear colored pants . Remarcable was that this person was walking with a limp, and here is where the witness saw that he lacked one tennis shoe. He calculated that from the way he was walking, he was missing the tennis shoes of his right foot. was it a red shirt or a white shirt with blood on it ? I think the witness said that Joran walked under a street lamp so I guess that is supposedly how he recognized him and saw the color of his shirt, pants, etc. I'm wondering how close to the street and street lamp this persons house is. Thanks. is this in the Dairio story? That is why I ask. yes mom but it is not easy te see a color when it is a bit dark or is there daylight at 4 o clock ? Gosh! I have no idea about the light there at 4 in the morning. That is a good question. I had never heard about the red t-shirt detail until now. Just trying to get my facts straight. I can't read Dutch or Pap so I have to rely on those of you that can. Thanks for your help. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 11, 2008, 09:36:35 AM I remember "way back" that there was a rumor of Joran being observed very muddy.
But, due to many other disinformation stories circulated, one never knew what in the heck to believe. The "muddy" story was only alluded to a few times. Just like many others have said before - Clues that pointed to the truth were suppressed as fast as possible, with every attempt in the world to debunk them. Clues that pointed to dead ends were joined, expounded upon, and made to look as credible as possible as to lead everyone down the wrong path. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: casa on September 11, 2008, 09:37:15 AM Well I don't know what happened to what I posted! The man who supposedly saw Joran said that he walked under a street lamp. I am wondering how close to this mans house the street is.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: crazybabyborg on September 11, 2008, 09:41:36 AM Oh, I'm hoping that this new info will bring Natalee Home and that Aruba will not do anything to stop it!!!! Remember, Aruba:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/NoTour.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 11, 2008, 09:42:12 AM I sure hope that the witness is kept well protected...
OR else he may be stuffed in a barrel, beheaded, and declared DEAD BY SUICIDE. We all know what great lengths Aruba will go to protect its image, and the Sloots... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 09:42:12 AM Well I don't know what happened to what I posted! The man who supposedly saw Joran said that he walked under a street lamp. I am wondering how close to this mans house the street is. yes were is his house ? (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/LDEN-5kopie.jpg?t=1221124798) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 09:46:50 AM I sure hope that the witness is kept well protected... OR else he may be stuffed in a barrel, beheaded, and declared DEAD BY SUICIDE. We all know what great lengths Aruba will go to protect its image, and the Sloots... If I am correct and I think I am....this witness has been known to Mos and company for months now. The red t shirt detail has me confused...from what I know...it was described as a "light" colored shirt...not a red one...the red detail may come from the mud as some have said. To me red and "light" are not the same. But then again what do I know about lighting at 4 AM on Aruba? It could just be something simple to explain. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 11, 2008, 09:47:06 AM Just a quick question. What does the like of Julie Renfro and all the other usual suspects say about this lastest information?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blonde on September 11, 2008, 09:49:24 AM the witness said this : The clothes he had on was a red tee shirt and long clear colored pants was he that evening in a red t-shirt ? NO unless he changed when he went home. Could have been the night after? (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casino/natcloseupcellphone.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blonde on September 11, 2008, 09:56:24 AM The night that Beth and Jug got to Aruba Joran was at a casino ,just to be on camera.
When Beth was at his house what color shirt did he have on.Anyone have a picture? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blonde on September 11, 2008, 10:03:35 AM Well he does own a red shirt but I don't know if he had it on this is an old picture.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Joran/nh085.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 10:11:47 AM Just a quick question. What does the like of Julie Renfro and all the other usual suspects say about this lastest information? At RU Glenda is suggesting this is just another one of Jossy's witnesses (not true). Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blonde on September 11, 2008, 10:12:44 AM (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20pimps/JoranFreddySasha.jpg)
Are they sure it was Joran and not Fredy Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 11, 2008, 10:24:05 AM I sure hope that the witness is kept well protected... OR else he may be stuffed in a barrel, beheaded, and declared DEAD BY SUICIDE. We all know what great lengths Aruba will go to protect its image, and the Sloots... If I am correct and I think I am....this witness has been known to Mos and company for months now. The red t shirt detail has me confused...from what I know...it was described as a "light" colored shirt...not a red one...the red detail may come from the mud as some have said. To me red and "light" are not the same. But then again what do I know about lighting at 4 AM on Aruba? It could just be something simple to explain. Depending on how quickly it took Joran to murder Natalee, which could have happened fast, he would have had plenty of time to have the Kalpoes drop him at his house and confer with Paulus. They did say they went by the house, perhaps to cover their asses in case someone saw the car there. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 10:26:00 AM (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20pimps/JoranFreddySasha.jpg) Are they sure it was Joran and not Fredy LOL ::MonkeyHaHa:: Why because Freddy is wearing a red shirt here, LOLOL ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ree on September 11, 2008, 10:30:15 AM Just a quick question. What does the like of Julie Renfro and all the other usual suspects say about this lastest information? At RU Glenda is suggesting this is just another one of Jossy's witnesses (not true). Glenda, aka Julia, was expecting a resolution in September. It may not be the one she was promised. It looks like somebody has thrown a MONKEY WRENCH into their plans ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 11, 2008, 10:32:07 AM Thursday 9:02 AM.....NEW EMAIL FROM ARUBA... Hallo xxxxxx; I don't know if the witness has met with Paulus van der Sloot, but that is the other declaration that the witness has done with the polygraphic test. But today in the newspaper we published that Tim Miller want to meet with Fiscal Mos to have an aprobation to search the ponds of Monserat. I let you know as soon I have more information. Have a nice day xxxxx Thanks Des! I want to warn everyone that we are dealing with a system that is still very corrupt. It continues to be run by many of the same crooked people that were running it 3 1/2 years ago and Hans Mos has shown to be no more effective than Karin Jannsen. Don't be surprised if Hans and the Dutch judges shoot this down like they, and so many before them, have in the past. Nobody wants to see justice for Natalee more than I do, but we need to measure our enthisiasm. The Aruba legal and justice system is still being run by scum. Be positive, but cautiously so. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 11, 2008, 10:34:53 AM Thursday 9:02 AM.....NEW EMAIL FROM ARUBA... Hallo xxxxxx; I don't know if the witness has met with Paulus van der Sloot, but that is the other declaration that the witness has done with the polygraphic test. But today in the newspaper we published that Tim Miller want to meet with Fiscal Mos to have an aprobation to search the ponds of Monserat. I let you know as soon I have more information. Have a nice day xxxxx Isn't this the dried pond that was already searched? Wouldn't any evidence have been removed and possibly destroyed by ALE? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 11, 2008, 10:35:52 AM MUM, lolol Tell you what, I'm not sure how I'm going to survive if stuff happens in Aruba and Orlando at the same time!!! ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 10:36:10 AM Just a quick question. What does the like of Julie Renfro and all the other usual suspects say about this lastest information? At RU Glenda is suggesting this is just another one of Jossy's witnesses (not true). Julia would be wrong on that one...LOL Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 10:39:30 AM Hiker you are echoing my sentiments from yesterday. This witness has been known for a while and still ALE has not acted on this....trust me on this one guys...unless they can get a body out of all this Mos will ignore this too. Everyone needs to remain calm...we could still be disappointed in the long run.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 10:40:39 AM (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20pimps/JoranFreddySasha.jpg) Are they sure it was Joran and not Fredy Good question! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 10:42:43 AM Would anyone happen to remember where the info on the vandalism at the cemetery is? There were photos of the graves that were damaged. I would so appreciate it if anyone still has that info.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 11, 2008, 10:42:57 AM Thursday 9:02 AM.....NEW EMAIL FROM ARUBA... Hallo xxxxxx; I don't know if the witness has met with Paulus van der Sloot, but that is the other declaration that the witness has done with the polygraphic test. But today in the newspaper we published that Tim Miller want to meet with Fiscal Mos to have an aprobation to search the ponds of Monserat. I let you know as soon I have more information. Have a nice day xxxxx Thanks Des! I want to warn everyone that we are dealing with a system that is still very corrupt. It continues to be run by many of the same crooked people that were running it 3 1/2 years ago and Hans Mos has shown to be no more effective than Karin Jannsen. Don't be surprised if Hans and the Dutch judges shoot this down like they, and so many before them, have in the past. Nobody wants to see justice for Natalee more than I do, but we need to measure our enthisiasm. The Aruba legal and justice system is still being run by scum. Be positive, but cautiously so. Hans Mos is probably reviewing this with "a room full of twenty lawyers" ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 10:43:52 AM CAPS
Please answer the email I sent you this morning!! It is important!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 11, 2008, 10:52:00 AM Would anyone happen to remember where the info on the vandalism at the cemetery is? There were photos of the graves that were damaged. I would so appreciate it if anyone still has that info. At hotshots site ...... not sure where. I am working on something and can't find exact...but here is site http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 10:59:08 AM One thing everyone needs to understand is Mos wants evidence and witnesses that can corroborate each other. That probably won't happen since there are so many places the perps were that night. You get a story here and another in some other location. The key to a credible witness would be details...such as the t-shirt color or the vehicle description or time of day...etc.
There are lots of things we think we know, but are not true or have been mistaken for other things. So if the witness first said "light" color and then red color...that is what Mos will seize on and a good defense attorney can make into a mountain where there is none. Thus my questions about the jeep. I wanted to know if this witness....Caps witness actually said they saw Paulus in that jeep. Now, I am on the t-shirt. Mos will ask...how long did it take this man to walk past your house? Show me where you first saw him....I will be back at 4 in the morning to check the lighting and see how it would look then...etc, etc. Are you sure this guy was missing a shoe? Did you actually see his feet or just guessed he lost one? If Tim is wanting to dig up that pond, Mos will insist this witness give details. I don't doubt that he can do this, just know that if one detail is off there will be another excuse to not try. I don't want them to get the chance to ignore this information again. They have already done that for almost 6 months now. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 11:00:06 AM Thanks Nut...
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 11:05:47 AM I sure hope that the witness is kept well protected... OR else he may be stuffed in a barrel, beheaded, and declared DEAD BY SUICIDE. We all know what great lengths Aruba will go to protect its image, and the Sloots... I was told he's well protected... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 11:09:35 AM Just a quick question. What does the like of Julie Renfro and all the other usual suspects say about this lastest information? At RU Glenda is suggesting this is just another one of Jossy's witnesses (not true). Nope...You are right...not true...and I now have some details regarding one of the 2 polygraphs....it is Big Stuff! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 11:10:51 AM WAVING UP TO CASA....Morning Casa...Des ;-)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 11:13:19 AM WAVING UP TO CASA....Morning Casa...Des ;-)
Thursday 9:02 AM.....NEW EMAIL FROM ARUBA... Hallo xxxxxx; I don't know if the witness has met with Paulus van der Sloot, but that is the other declaration that the witness has done with the polygraphic test. But today in the newspaper we published that Tim Miller want to meet with Fiscal Mos to have an aprobation to search the ponds of Monserat. I let you know as soon I have more information. Have a nice day xxxxx Isn't this the dried pond that was already searched? Wouldn't any evidence have been removed and possibly destroyed by ALE? Yes it is the same Monserat Pond...but it is full now...was told on phone yesterday...it's something to do with the drainage pipes...they are quite large...Des Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: nonesuche on September 11, 2008, 11:19:21 AM SS if anyone does it's Klaas, but hopefully she's still asleep ! dutchlady was the first poster to relate a theory regarding a crypt and that was in the end of summer/early fall just months post Natalee's disappearance. I think we all assumed it would be in the graveyard around the corner from Paulus' home, I believe St Anne's? I'd have to look back at my notes from dutchlady and Hammer to be sure..... I actually never heard of a Masonic cemetary......... Caps, godspeed and be safe. Hi there! Do you still have any of that info? It would be great if we could repost it in here. Thanks! Klaas and Red have copy, some of us worked on the assimilation of it in report form but it's copyrighted material by SM. Don't you think if there is something of merit with this witness that JKelly will become involved? I can't imagine otherwise and hopefully he can guide this. By this point much of this witness' contribution is a matter of record, so I'm not sure any impact can be made upon individual statements as they relate to colors of jeep, shirts, etc? I think that horse is likely already out of the barn perse. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: casa on September 11, 2008, 11:28:07 AM WAVING UP TO CASA....Morning Casa...Des ;-) Morning Destiny! I'm lurking but supposed to be working! LOL Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 11, 2008, 11:40:02 AM The thing which stirs freash hope is the fact that Tim is now in Aruba. Perhaps that is actually the main reason he abruptly left Orlando ? ?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 11:43:16 AM The thing which stirs freash hope is the fact that Tim is now in Aruba. Perhaps that is actually the main reason he abruptly left Orlando ? ? Yes it is...Tim Miller told me on the phone before he went to Fl....that this was happening very soon... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 11:47:11 AM Nonesuche - I have it on my other computer - will look for it later today.
Here are the photos taken of the Cemetary Vandalism. These photos were taken by Hotshot and her group when they went to Aruba to investigate. I got these photos off the internet so I hope nobody attempts to tell me they are private property. If they were supposed to be private they shouldn't have been placed on the internet. (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/ArubaCemetaryVandal06/gravehitw.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/ArubaCemetaryVandal06/gravehit4w.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/ArubaCemetaryVandal06/gravehit3w.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/ArubaCemetaryVandal06/gravehit2w.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/ArubaCemetaryVandal06/gravehit1w.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/ArubaCemetaryVandal06/gravebycemetaryw.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/ArubaCemetaryVandal06/MVC-035S.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/ArubaCemetaryVandal06/MVC-033S.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/ArubaCemetaryVandal06/MVC-032S.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ree on September 11, 2008, 11:47:17 AM The thing which stirs freash hope is the fact that Tim is now in Aruba. Perhaps that is actually the main reason he abruptly left Orlando ? ? Yes it is...Tim Miller told me on the phone before he went to Fl....that this was happening very soon... Does he know where she is or are they just hoping to find corroborating evidence in the pond? Do we have any evidence to back up the witness' story? Is MOS assisting or impeding? Understand if some can't be answered just now. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: memphis on September 11, 2008, 11:48:00 AM Hi Klaas! Hope you are doing well. Yes, I'm just speechless. Boy, just when you least expect... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 12:07:14 PM The thing which stirs freash hope is the fact that Tim is now in Aruba. Perhaps that is actually the main reason he abruptly left Orlando ? ? Yes it is...Tim Miller told me on the phone before he went to Fl....that this was happening very soon... Does he know where she is or are they just hoping to find corroborating evidence in the pond? Do we have any evidence to back up the witness' story? Is MOS assisting or impeding? Understand if some can't be answered just now. First question...have not the (full) answer yet... Second question...yes third question...impeding...but his back is being pushed into a tighter and tighter corner as we type... Des Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: memphis on September 11, 2008, 12:14:58 PM The day that Renfro created the big diversion and led everyone on the wild goose chase wasn't June 6th, was it?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 12:17:14 PM The day that Renfro created the big diversion and led everyone on the wild goose chase wasn't June 6th, was it? I think it was the 9th maybe even the 10-11 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 12:17:44 PM WAVING UP TO CASA....Morning Casa...Des ;-) Thursday 9:02 AM.....NEW EMAIL FROM ARUBA... Hallo xxxxxx; I don't know if the witness has met with Paulus van der Sloot, but that is the other declaration that the witness has done with the polygraphic test. But today in the newspaper we published that Tim Miller want to meet with Fiscal Mos to have an aprobation to search the ponds of Monserat. I let you know as soon I have more information. Have a nice day xxxxx Isn't this the dried pond that was already searched? Wouldn't any evidence have been removed and possibly destroyed by ALE? Yes it is the same Monserat Pond...but it is full now...was told on phone yesterday...it's something to do with the drainage pipes...they are quite large...Des Yep. I have photos to prove how large. A person can walk in them. Destiny....nanner basket, please. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 11, 2008, 12:20:13 PM The thing which stirs freash hope is the fact that Tim is now in Aruba. Perhaps that is actually the main reason he abruptly left Orlando ? ? Yes it is...Tim Miller told me on the phone before he went to Fl....that this was happening very soon... Thanks! I am so encouraged by this news. Tim is such a fine man. It was difficult reading/hearing Cindy Anthony vilify him, but he handled himself with great class. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 12:22:53 PM WAVING UP TO CASA....Morning Casa...Des ;-) Thursday 9:02 AM.....NEW EMAIL FROM ARUBA... Hallo xxxxxx; I don't know if the witness has met with Paulus van der Sloot, but that is the other declaration that the witness has done with the polygraphic test. But today in the newspaper we published that Tim Miller want to meet with Fiscal Mos to have an aprobation to search the ponds of Monserat. I let you know as soon I have more information. Have a nice day xxxxx Isn't this the dried pond that was already searched? Wouldn't any evidence have been removed and possibly destroyed by ALE? Yes it is the same Monserat Pond...but it is full now...was told on phone yesterday...it's something to do with the drainage pipes...they are quite large...Des Yep. I have photos to prove how large. A person can walk in them. Destiny....nanner basket, please. Lala's check your nanner basket...Des.... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: memphis on September 11, 2008, 12:27:34 PM The day that Renfro created the big diversion and led everyone on the wild goose chase wasn't June 6th, was it? I think it was the 9th maybe even the 10-11 Thx. That would be too neat & tidy, I guess. I'm just going to mostly read, watch & pray. Good to see everyone! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 11, 2008, 12:29:21 PM The day that Renfro created the big diversion and led everyone on the wild goose chase wasn't June 6th, was it? I think it was the 9th maybe even the 10-11 It may have been the 6th that van der Straten made some sort of announcment. I know he made a few, but I was thinking it was the one about Natalee no longer being alive. There is something sticking in my mind about the 6th. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 12:29:36 PM SS if anyone does it's Klaas, but hopefully she's still asleep ! dutchlady was the first poster to relate a theory regarding a crypt and that was in the end of summer/early fall just months post Natalee's disappearance. I think we all assumed it would be in the graveyard around the corner from Paulus' home, I believe St Anne's? I'd have to look back at my notes from dutchlady and Hammer to be sure..... I actually never heard of a Masonic cemetary......... Caps, godspeed and be safe. Hi there! Do you still have any of that info? It would be great if we could repost it in here. Thanks! Klaas and Red have copy, some of us worked on the assimilation of it in report form but it's copyrighted material by SM. Don't you think if there is something of merit with this witness that JKelly will become involved? I can't imagine otherwise and hopefully he can guide this. By this point much of this witness' contribution is a matter of record, so I'm not sure any impact can be made upon individual statements as they relate to colors of jeep, shirts, etc? I think that horse is likely already out of the barn perse. I wasn't asking for myself...it was for someone else that asked me about it. Yes, the colors matter for one reason...Joran was wearing a white shirt and that is what the witness told the first time to Mos. That to me is important if for no other reason than to back Mos in a corner as having known this for some time and not acting on it. I have discovered that just because we know some thing in here does make it known to those that really need the info. A lot gets lost even though we are told the FBI or the family knows this...some times they really do not know it. Thanks. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 12:37:26 PM Des (or anyone), who is behind Tim returning to Aruba? (I gather it is NOT Mos!)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 12:38:13 PM The day that Renfro created the big diversion and led everyone on the wild goose chase wasn't June 6th, was it? I think it was the 9th maybe even the 10-11 when she hopped on the center console of the van in Jug's group and lead them to the court house - that occurred on 6-13-2005. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 11, 2008, 12:41:08 PM In either Dave's book, or in Beth's, that wild goose chase staged by Renfro is described. Am hurriedly skimming through both, but cannot locate it just yet to see what the date was.
In Dave's book, he says that Joran & the Kalpoes were "finally arrested on suspicion of involvement with Natalee's disappearance." Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 12:43:10 PM The day that Renfro created the big diversion and led everyone on the wild goose chase wasn't June 6th, was it? I think it was the 9th maybe even the 10-11 when she hopped on the center console of the van in Jug's group and lead them to the court house - that occurred on 6-13-2005. Thanks Rob - I didn't have time to check. I knew it wasn't the 6th. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 11, 2008, 12:44:19 PM The day that Renfro created the big diversion and led everyone on the wild goose chase wasn't June 6th, was it? I think it was the 9th maybe even the 10-11 when she hopped on the center console of the van in Jug's group and lead them to the court house - that occurred on 6-13-2005. Hi Rob! Thanks! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 11, 2008, 12:45:45 PM In either Dave's book, or in Beth's, that wild goose chase staged by Renfro is described. Am hurriedly skimming through both, but cannot locate it just yet to see what the date was. In Dave's book, he says that Joran & the Kalpoes were "finally arrested on suspicion of involvement with Natalee's disappearance." Ooops- Left out the date: June 9th. Am ver klempt-lol. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: can on September 11, 2008, 12:50:18 PM SS if anyone does it's Klaas, but hopefully she's still asleep ! dutchlady was the first poster to relate a theory regarding a crypt and that was in the end of summer/early fall just months post Natalee's disappearance. I think we all assumed it would be in the graveyard around the corner from Paulus' home, I believe St Anne's? I'd have to look back at my notes from dutchlady and Hammer to be sure..... I actually never heard of a Masonic cemetary......... Caps, godspeed and be safe. Hi there! Do you still have any of that info? It would be great if we could repost it in here. Thanks! Klaas and Red have copy, some of us worked on the assimilation of it in report form but it's copyrighted material by SM. Don't you think if there is something of merit with this witness that JKelly will become involved? I can't imagine otherwise and hopefully he can guide this. By this point much of this witness' contribution is a matter of record, so I'm not sure any impact can be made upon individual statements as they relate to colors of jeep, shirts, etc? I think that horse is likely already out of the barn perse. I wasn't asking for myself...it was for someone else that asked me about it. Yes, the colors matter for one reason...Joran was wearing a white shirt and that is what the witness told the first time to Mos. That to me is important if for no other reason than to back Mos in a corner as having known this for some time and not acting on it. I have discovered that just because we know some thing in here does make it known to those that really need the info. A lot gets lost even though we are told the FBI or the family knows this...some times they really do not know it. Thanks. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: can on September 11, 2008, 12:52:10 PM The shirt was wet and muddy - 5 centimetres up - witness saw this when he walked, head down, near a lamplight.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 11, 2008, 12:55:11 PM The million dollar question....
Will PVDS flood the island with his "now-opened" sweat glands? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 11, 2008, 12:56:10 PM Dave says: "Approximately SIX days after Natalee disappeared, two men, Abraham Jones and Antonius Mickey John, former security guards who had worked in a hotel down the street from the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying, were arrested, etc." June sixth. Remember all of the TV hullabaloo with KJ ?? Good distraction....
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 01:05:29 PM Thanks Rob - I didn't have time to check. I knew it wasn't the 6th. no problem - I know you are gonna be busy for the next few days. btw - there are some other events created by Renfo - that was just one. if you figure that the body of Ms. Wever was already at the funeral home on the night of 6-5-2005, that means that the conspiracy was already hatched and about to be completed when Janssen kicked in the door of the sec guards. There are two statements that conflict each other in great detail. one is where there is no cause to believe that Natalee is dead and the other is when the moved on the guards on suspicion of murder and related charges. One statement was made by Van Der Stratten and the other was made by Janssen almost simultaneously. these statements in their own right and on the dates they were made leads me to believe that they already knew the guards were going to be arrested - and this is - the peace offering. Yesterday, I asked if the H/T were unaware of the peace offering or refused it...I think at that point Janssen went ahead anyway and slammed this down the throats of the American public. This cause Beth to act and demand that the real perps were apprehended. This is when it all started in my opinion. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SunnyinTX on September 11, 2008, 01:05:50 PM Hiker you are echoing my sentiments from yesterday. This witness has been known for a while and still ALE has not acted on this....trust me on this one guys...unless they can get a body out of all this Mos will ignore this too. Everyone needs to remain calm...we could still be disappointed in the long run. good Morning to everyone...Lala's, I agree with you competely...I will not allow myself to get excited over this......does anyone know who was responsible for bringing the witness to Houston for poloygraph tets??? Was TES a part of this?? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 01:06:33 PM The day that Renfro created the big diversion and led everyone on the wild goose chase wasn't June 6th, was it? I think it was the 9th maybe even the 10-11 when she hopped on the center console of the van in Jug's group and lead them to the court house - that occurred on 6-13-2005. Hi Rob! Thanks! ::MonkeyCool:: hi ya Ono - always nice to see ya. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SunnyinTX on September 11, 2008, 01:07:59 PM I sure hope that the witness is kept well protected... OR else he may be stuffed in a barrel, beheaded, and declared DEAD BY SUICIDE. We all know what great lengths Aruba will go to protect its image, and the Sloots... I was told he's well protected... uummm I wonder what that means...if he is being well protected by Aruban LE.. or anyplace in Aruba.. I would be very frightened if I were him!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 01:09:59 PM Thanks Rob - I didn't have time to check. I knew it wasn't the 6th. no problem - I know you are gonna be busy for the next few days. btw - there are some other events created by Renfo - that was just one. if you figure that the body of Ms. Wever was already at the funeral home on the night of 6-5-2005, that means that the conspiracy was already hatched and about to be completed when Janssen kicked in the door of the sec guards. There are two statements that conflict each other in great detail. one is where there is no cause to believe that Natalee is dead and the other is when the moved on the guards on suspicion of murder and related charges. One statement was made by Van Der Stratten and the other was made by Janssen almost simultaneously. these statements in their own right and on the dates they were made leads me to believe that they already knew the guards were going to be arrested - and this is - the peace offering. Yesterday, I asked if the H/T were unaware of the peace offering or refused it...I think at that point Janssen went ahead anyway and slammed this down the throats of the American public. This cause Beth to act and demand that the real perps were apprehended. This is when it all started in my opinion. another point 6-5-2005 is the first date that Tamara Waldron appears on the boards and makes the statement that they are hopeful that Natalee is alive and there is no evidence of a crime... yet earlier that morning the guards were arrested on suspicion of murder. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: can on September 11, 2008, 01:13:05 PM SS if anyone does it's Klaas, but hopefully she's still asleep ! dutchlady was the first poster to relate a theory regarding a crypt and that was in the end of summer/early fall just months post Natalee's disappearance. I think we all assumed it would be in the graveyard around the corner from Paulus' home, I believe St Anne's? I'd have to look back at my notes from dutchlady and Hammer to be sure..... I actually never heard of a Masonic cemetary......... Caps, godspeed and be safe. Hi there! Do you still have any of that info? It would be great if we could repost it in here. Thanks! Klaas and Red have copy, some of us worked on the assimilation of it in report form but it's copyrighted material by SM. Don't you think if there is something of merit with this witness that JKelly will become involved? I can't imagine otherwise and hopefully he can guide this. By this point much of this witness' contribution is a matter of record, so I'm not sure any impact can be made upon individual statements as they relate to colors of jeep, shirts, etc? I think that horse is likely already out of the barn perse. I wasn't asking for myself...it was for someone else that asked me about it. Yes, the colors matter for one reason...Joran was wearing a white shirt and that is what the witness told the first time to Mos. That to me is important if for no other reason than to back Mos in a corner as having known this for some time and not acting on it. I have discovered that just because we know some thing in here does make it known to those that really need the info. A lot gets lost even though we are told the FBI or the family knows this...some times they really do not know it. Thanks. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: nonesuche on September 11, 2008, 01:14:16 PM can, that was my take on the report as well, that both shirt and pants were muddied.
Lala's please send me an email, I don't think I have the correct addy for you. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 11, 2008, 01:17:44 PM Thanks Rob - I didn't have time to check. I knew it wasn't the 6th. no problem - I know you are gonna be busy for the next few days. btw - there are some other events created by Renfo - that was just one. if you figure that the body of Ms. Wever was already at the funeral home on the night of 6-5-2005, that means that the conspiracy was already hatched and about to be completed when Janssen kicked in the door of the sec guards. There are two statements that conflict each other in great detail. one is where there is no cause to believe that Natalee is dead and the other is when the moved on the guards on suspicion of murder and related charges. One statement was made by Van Der Stratten and the other was made by Janssen almost simultaneously. these statements in their own right and on the dates they were made leads me to believe that they already knew the guards were going to be arrested - and this is - the peace offering. Yesterday, I asked if the H/T were unaware of the peace offering or refused it...I think at that point Janssen went ahead anyway and slammed this down the throats of the American public. This cause Beth to act and demand that the real perps were apprehended. This is when it all started in my opinion. another point 6-5-2005 is the first date that Tamara Waldron appears on the boards and makes the statement that they are hopeful that Natalee is alive and there is no evidence of a crime... yet earlier that morning the guards were arrested on suspicion of murder. Just checked on van der Straten's thread and the guards were arrested on June 5th and it was on June 12 that he said that he believed Natalee was no longer alive. Rob... the boy that drowned at maybe Conchi? the 6th? Sunny...sorry don't know if TES had anything to do with the lie detector test. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: can on September 11, 2008, 01:25:10 PM can, that was my take on the report as well, that both shirt and pants were muddied. yes nonesuche and wet.Lala's please send me an email, I don't think I have the correct addy for you. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 01:32:53 PM Rob... the boy that drowned at maybe Conchi? the 6th? sorry Mum, I'm not remembering that one. So many people have drowned over the last few years - it's hard for me to remember them all. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 11, 2008, 01:37:17 PM The million dollar question.... Will PVDS flood the island with his "now-opened" sweat glands? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 11, 2008, 01:39:55 PM Hiker you are echoing my sentiments from yesterday. This witness has been known for a while and still ALE has not acted on this....trust me on this one guys...unless they can get a body out of all this Mos will ignore this too. Everyone needs to remain calm...we could still be disappointed in the long run. good Morning to everyone...Lala's, I agree with you competely...I will not allow myself to get excited over this......does anyone know who was responsible for bringing the witness to Houston for poloygraph tets??? Was TES a part of this?? That is exactly why I am standing on the sidelines, basically silent ... I simply cannot go there again and I refuse to hold my breath. Been there....done that...wayyyyyy too many times. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 01:42:18 PM None
I don't have your email any longer...last computer crash did me in...I will try another one I have for you. Thanks. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 11, 2008, 01:45:59 PM Rob... the boy that drowned at maybe Conchi? the 6th? sorry Mum, I'm not remembering that one. So many people have drowned over the last few years - it's hard for me to remember them all. FP post on 6/7...Is this a morning paper - Awe Mainta? Thanks CORRECTED!!! THIS STORY IS WRONG - Local Aruban Paper Report Natalee Holloway is Dead THIS WAS NOT NATALEE!!! The picture you saw with the ambulance is a local boy who was swimming at Conchi, he had a epileptic attack in the water and drowned. It’s a boy 16 years old. Not Natalee. snipped http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-is-dead-rest-in-peace/#more-1062 I believe this is where either Deepak or Satish said his tennis teacher drowned in that phone conversation. ::MonkeyEek:: When we checked that story out in Shango we couldn't find anyone else drowning there!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 01:55:35 PM Rob... the boy that drowned at maybe Conchi? the 6th? sorry Mum, I'm not remembering that one. So many people have drowned over the last few years - it's hard for me to remember them all. FP post on 6/7...Is this a morning paper - Awe Mainta? Thanks CORRECTED!!! THIS STORY IS WRONG - Local Aruban Paper Report Natalee Holloway is Dead THIS WAS NOT NATALEE!!! The picture you saw with the ambulance is a local boy who was swimming at Conchi, he had a epileptic attack in the water and drowned. It’s a boy 16 years old. Not Natalee. snipped http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-is-dead-rest-in-peace/#more-1062 I believe this is where either Deepak or Satish said his tennis teacher drowned in that phone conversation. ::MonkeyEek:: When we checked that story out in Shango we couldn't find anyone else drowning there!!! That was such a weird thing for Satish to say considering they were talking about the boy then...never did figure that one out. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 11, 2008, 02:03:30 PM Hiker you are echoing my sentiments from yesterday. This witness has been known for a while and still ALE has not acted on this....trust me on this one guys...unless they can get a body out of all this Mos will ignore this too. Everyone needs to remain calm...we could still be disappointed in the long run. good Morning to everyone...Lala's, I agree with you competely...I will not allow myself to get excited over this......does anyone know who was responsible for bringing the witness to Houston for poloygraph tets??? Was TES a part of this?? That is exactly why I am standing on the sidelines, basically silent ... I simply cannot go there again and I refuse to hold my breath. Been there....done that...wayyyyyy too many times. 1- We know from Destiny communicating with Jossy that Hans Mos is impeding the investigation. A prosecutor that doesn't want to bring a case won't. Hans Mos threw up his hands at Joran's confession. He has been hostile towards this witness. Hans is a crook just like Jannsen. He's just biding time until he can get his lanky ass back to Holland to be with the rest of his corrupt pals. 2- The pond was searched when it was dry. What does Tim expect to find when it is full of water? IMO, any evidence that was collected when the pond was dry, when the searching was easy, has long been destroyed. 3- Even if they bring the witness statement and other corroborating evidence before the judge all it takes is one refusal to continue and that's it. It's over. Last time they had the same Dutch judge, Rick Smid, who's reputation was already in the toilet, preside over Joran's case. This is the same judge that freed him to go back to Holland. Smid has already raised the bar so high Superman couldn't jump over it. I just want to warn everyone once again that the same crooks- judges and prosecutors- are running the show that were doing it last time, and in Smid's case he goes all the way back to September 2005. The same government leaders are in place that were there 3 1/2 years ago. This is the same corrupt bunch that has allowed Joran and Paulus to run free all these years. They only care about people of their own nationality, everybody else can go to hell. Don't look for this leopard to change its spots. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 11, 2008, 02:10:28 PM Dayhiker: You're right, but still the hope lingers.
Rob: Who is Tamara Waldron? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 11, 2008, 02:12:43 PM Rob... the boy that drowned at maybe Conchi? the 6th? sorry Mum, I'm not remembering that one. So many people have drowned over the last few years - it's hard for me to remember them all. FP post on 6/7...Is this a morning paper - Awe Mainta? Thanks CORRECTED!!! THIS STORY IS WRONG - Local Aruban Paper Report Natalee Holloway is Dead THIS WAS NOT NATALEE!!! The picture you saw with the ambulance is a local boy who was swimming at Conchi, he had a epileptic attack in the water and drowned. It’s a boy 16 years old. Not Natalee. snipped http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-is-dead-rest-in-peace/#more-1062 I believe this is where either Deepak or Satish said his tennis teacher drowned in that phone conversation. ::MonkeyEek:: When we checked that story out in Shango we couldn't find anyone else drowning there!!! That was such a weird thing for Satish to say considering they were talking about the boy then...never did figure that one out. Lala's...we couldn't figure out which Kalpoe it was! We kept coming up with different things that said Deepak and Satish. I recall you started it by asking if Satish played tennis. Interesting...a 7 year old boy drowns and another 7 year old boy at the rocks... I wonder if the one that drowned was identified? That phone conversation was part of why they were re-arrested in November 2007! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 02:16:52 PM Rob... the boy that drowned at maybe Conchi? the 6th? sorry Mum, I'm not remembering that one. So many people have drowned over the last few years - it's hard for me to remember them all. FP post on 6/7...Is this a morning paper - Awe Mainta? Thanks CORRECTED!!! THIS STORY IS WRONG - Local Aruban Paper Report Natalee Holloway is Dead THIS WAS NOT NATALEE!!! The picture you saw with the ambulance is a local boy who was swimming at Conchi, he had a epileptic attack in the water and drowned. It’s a boy 16 years old. Not Natalee. snipped http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-is-dead-rest-in-peace/#more-1062 I believe this is where either Deepak or Satish said his tennis teacher drowned in that phone conversation. ::MonkeyEek:: When we checked that story out in Shango we couldn't find anyone else drowning there!!! this is the one that ******* has a bone about. this was on the FP of Awe Mainta. I know which one it is now. The yellow ambulance was there and they were scurrying around in the mangroves. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 11, 2008, 02:21:31 PM Rob... the boy that drowned at maybe Conchi? the 6th? sorry Mum, I'm not remembering that one. So many people have drowned over the last few years - it's hard for me to remember them all. FP post on 6/7...Is this a morning paper - Awe Mainta? Thanks CORRECTED!!! THIS STORY IS WRONG - Local Aruban Paper Report Natalee Holloway is Dead THIS WAS NOT NATALEE!!! The picture you saw with the ambulance is a local boy who was swimming at Conchi, he had a epileptic attack in the water and drowned. It’s a boy 16 years old. Not Natalee. snipped http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-is-dead-rest-in-peace/#more-1062 I believe this is where either Deepak or Satish said his tennis teacher drowned in that phone conversation. ::MonkeyEek:: When we checked that story out in Shango we couldn't find anyone else drowning there!!! this is the one that ******* has a bone about. this was on the FP of Awe Mainta. I know which one it is now. The yellow ambulance was there and they were scurrying around in the mangroves. Yep...I thought about ******* right away and the pic. Was he ever identified Rob? I was sure van der Straten said something that day! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 02:23:05 PM Dayhiker: You're right, but still the hope lingers. Rob: Who is Tamara Waldron? she is an AHATA member. and part of the strategic task force. from the freebirds - Tamara Waldron, an employee of the Ministry of Tourism and Transportation (headed by Eddie Breizen), made the following internet post at Scared Monkeys, falling in line with the government’s wishes: "...looking at the picture does not mean blaming the island or its people….we should keep looking at the big picture which does involve at looking at other possibilities, other than a crime, for the dissapearance of the 18 year old..." ...So far there has not been any indication of a murder, a kidnapping etc and we should all stick together and help in searching for his girl instead of assuming things and smearing Aruba on the news. I do believe she will be found as there have been numerous sightings of Natalee, which indicate more that this is a runaway case than any other….of course we don’t know for sure, but we must leave the windows of numerous possibilities open."[/b] Comment by Tamara Waldron | June 5, 2005, 7:13 pm ++++++++ it is posted somewhere she was actually Jorge Pesquera's secretary. ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS-STRATEGIC TASK FORCE Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor) Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor) Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA) Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA) Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA) Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA) Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA) Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA) Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation) Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA) Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce) Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government) Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government) and THIS- Strategic Communications Task Force Statement Meeting between Mrs. Beth Twitty and Strategic Communications Task Force Strategic Communications Task Force Members: Mrs. Myrna Jansen of the Aruba Tourism Authority; Mr. Jorge Pesquera of AHATA; Mr. Greg Peterson representing ATIA; Mr. Rob Smith representing the Hospitality Security Foundation; Mr. Jeff Lesker Chairman of AHATA; Mr. Jaap Beaujon of IBS Aruba; Mrs. Anabela Peterson de Sousa; and Minister Edison Briesen, Minister of Tourism and Transportation. November 2, 2005 The November 2, 2005 meeting with Mrs. Twitty and the Strategic Communications Task Force was an opportunity to exchange thoughts, facts and opinions between both parties. Both parties brought several issues forward. The consensus is that the primary goal of everyone involved is to find out what really happened to Natalee Holloway by allowing the investigators to carry out their work and hopefully bring this investigation to a conclusion. The Task Force reaffirmed its concern and empathy for the suffering of the Holloway and Twitty families in this terrible situation, yet called their attention to the need to remain fair to the population of Aruba and not to engage in making requests which aim to interfere with the economic stability of our island. The Task Force brought forward their disappointment with the fact that, despite numerous efforts that have been made by the local community to find Ms. Holloway and the enormous expenses incurred by our small island, the community of Aruba is collectively being unfairly accused of a number of things. This has gone so far that there are now calls for Americans not to visit the island and a call for an economic boycott of the entire island of Aruba. The response of Mrs. Twitty to these issues is that she never used the word boycott. The Task Force did inform Mrs. Twitty that she may not have used the word "boycott", but that her appearance on shows where she speaks with persons that call for a boycott while nodding her head in obvious agreement, represents an endorsement of such a call. The Task Force repeatedly made it clear to Mrs. Twitty that condemning a whole nation for an isolated case (which remains under active investigation) is grossly unfair.. Mrs. Twitty did state that this case was never about a single citizen of Aruba or anyone present in the meeting, yet rather about what she feels are barriers that exist in the police force and prosecutor’s office which prevent the case from moving forward. ++++++ from something I posted on my blog - We all know that the ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority) and Tamara Waldron began posting on message boards as early as 6/5/2005. The messages they posted are clear for all to see. It was everyone's fault but Paulus and Joran Van Der Sloots, and the Kalpoe Brothers. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 02:24:53 PM Yep...I thought about ******* right away and the pic. Was he ever identified Rob? I was sure van der Straten said something that day! I don't think so or ******* would have known about it and he never believed that story they cooked up. I don't recall him ever posting a name. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 11, 2008, 02:29:23 PM Rob...didn't gabe start posting June 6th as well? TIA
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2008, 02:31:38 PM (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/awemantaarticlenataleedeath.jpg)
HT ******* I think this may be the one you're talking about, if not I'll look for another after work that I have in mind. ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 11, 2008, 02:31:42 PM Yep...I thought about ******* right away and the pic. Was he ever identified Rob? I was sure van der Straten said something that day! I don't think so or ******* would have known about it and he never believed that story they cooked up. I don't recall him ever posting a name. Thanks...and it was supposed to be a 7 year old boy at the rocks as well, wasn't it? All these coincidences... ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: dennisintn on September 11, 2008, 02:32:01 PM Rob... the boy that drowned at maybe Conchi? the 6th? sorry Mum, I'm not remembering that one. So many people have drowned over the last few years - it's hard for me to remember them all. FP post on 6/7...Is this a morning paper - Awe Mainta? Thanks CORRECTED!!! THIS STORY IS WRONG - Local Aruban Paper Report Natalee Holloway is Dead THIS WAS NOT NATALEE!!! The picture you saw with the ambulance is a local boy who was swimming at Conchi, he had a epileptic attack in the water and drowned. It’s a boy 16 years old. Not Natalee. snipped http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-is-dead-rest-in-peace/#more-1062 I believe this is where either Deepak or Satish said his tennis teacher drowned in that phone conversation. ::MonkeyEek:: When we checked that story out in Shango we couldn't find anyone else drowning there!!! i thought the teacher had died a year or so earlier, according to kalpoe. dennisintn Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 11, 2008, 02:36:37 PM (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/awemantaarticlenataleedeath.jpg) HT ******* I think this may be the one you're talking about, if not I'll look for another after work that I have in mind. ::MonkeyCool:: Thanks TM...that is it.... http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-is-dead-rest-in-peace/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 11, 2008, 02:40:35 PM Rob... the boy that drowned at maybe Conchi? the 6th? sorry Mum, I'm not remembering that one. So many people have drowned over the last few years - it's hard for me to remember them all. FP post on 6/7...Is this a morning paper - Awe Mainta? Thanks CORRECTED!!! THIS STORY IS WRONG - Local Aruban Paper Report Natalee Holloway is Dead THIS WAS NOT NATALEE!!! The picture you saw with the ambulance is a local boy who was swimming at Conchi, he had a epileptic attack in the water and drowned. It’s a boy 16 years old. Not Natalee. snipped http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-is-dead-rest-in-peace/#more-1062 I believe this is where either Deepak or Satish said his tennis teacher drowned in that phone conversation. ::MonkeyEek:: When we checked that story out in Shango we couldn't find anyone else drowning there!!! i thought the teacher had died a year or so earlier, according to kalpoe. dennisintn I think you are right. We looked for another drowning at Conchi and didn't find a tennis teacher, though JE might have found another. Really not sure now if she did or not? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 02:46:48 PM Floats a body when you bring it in the water ? or is it sinking ?
i don't know if floats the right word ha ha or do you have to use stones ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ala_gunslinger on September 11, 2008, 03:07:46 PM Hey all ya'll! Sounds like some 'news' from ruba?
What happened to the Shango thread? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 03:09:48 PM Rob...didn't gabe start posting June 6th as well? TIA From what I can tell, Gabe's first front page post was June 5, 2005: Gabriel Leo wrote: As an Arubian, I am very disappointed about the rumors that the international press is publishing about the happenings here on the island. CNN, Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS etc all are bringing the news to the world as it unfolds. It even surprises the locals that certain news is published on international media before it’s published on local media. The Aruban Government it’s giving 100% cooporation. The ministers of the island (Prime minister, Minister of Justice, Minister of tourism) Are giving their 100% support in the search for Natalee here on the Island. I as a Local am deeply schocked about the disappearing. We as Arubians are happy to live here on the island and we believe that we are truly blessed bij having a low criminality rate, we truly think we live in Paradise! We all must be realistic about what is beeing said on the Media. We have crime here on the island, WHO DOESN”T! We have tourist who have been coming to Aruba for over 20 to 30 years to the island. When they are asked whey they come to the Island the two reason which they give are the Hopitality of our people and the safety that one gets just by being on the Island! So please! The media and those who follow the news from my Island must not believe everything that is said. CNN reported that Aruba has a dark side. It’s an Island which is ruled by drugs from Colombia and latin prostitutes which invade the island trying to go to Europe via Aruba. NOT TRUE! The media is just blowing the news out of proportion just to make the news more interesting. Sadly these wrong doing is just affecting our reputation and our tourism. Ask Any one you know! What they think about Aruba. I’M SURE that you will be told other!!! We truly hope and pray that Natalee returns and the Aruban People believe she will return in good health. But we are not at all happy with the international press who are publishing News Without Verifying the story and making sure it’s true! I Guess that’s the only way they think they could get some attention! Jun 5, 5:23 PM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 03:10:48 PM Rob...didn't gabe start posting June 6th as well? TIA I think so... and Jairo too. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 03:11:22 PM Hey all ya'll! Sounds like some 'news' from ruba? What happened to the Shango thread? Hi Gunslinger - Shango has an entire separate forum area...has for a months now, LOL ::MonkeyHaHa:: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 11, 2008, 03:12:16 PM sinks at first....then gasses make it bloat and float
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 03:13:27 PM Rob...didn't gabe start posting June 6th as well? TIA I think so... and Jairo too. It appears Jairo's first FP post was June 8th but he was over on the TripAdvisor board and the Yahoo Chat prior: Jairo wrote: I’m currently living in Florida but I’m originally from the island of Aruba. I really don’t like the news coverage in the US. It doesn’t matter though, I understand reporters are pressured to bring updates on the case. But the truth is there’s not much concrete info on this case. My suspicions start with the 3 guys, but what do I know. I have never met them. I only know that they’re 3 guys, one originally from the Netherlands who’s father is a local judge and the other 2 guys are from Surinam. All these 3 guys are currently attending the International School of Aruba which is a school predominantly visited by sons and daughters of wealthy residents many of them who are from the US working in the refinery. Again I have no clue what happened, but I do have big questions. We have not heard the past background of Natalee Holloway. We need to know more of these 3 guys. And I truly believe the 2 suspects have nothing to do with the case because friends were with them Sunday to Monday morning of the Soul Beach Concert. Therefore, I keep praying and hope that she is still alive. Jun 8, 3:45 PM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 03:13:47 PM Hey all ya'll! Sounds like some 'news' from ruba? What happened to the Shango thread? Hey Guns....Good to C-Ya...btw, do you have my email?...if so, pls email me...TIA...Des ;-) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 03:13:49 PM think about this - if Joran's stories are not real and not believable by the prosecutor, ask yourselves why?
is it because they have known for three + years the real story? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 03:16:42 PM If someone has answered -- I missed it! WHO is spear-heading this latest effort? Who asked Tim to return to Aruba? Is OUR Government/FBI involved?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 03:18:49 PM sinks at first....then gasses make it bloat and float so it is necessary to use stones but how do you do that in the middle of the night ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 11, 2008, 03:19:41 PM think about this - if Joran's stories are not real and not believable by the prosecutor, ask yourselves why? is it because they have known for three + years the real story? I think most of us think they have known since shortly after Natalee went missing...we just don't know for sure what they know...perhaps we may find out... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 11, 2008, 03:22:37 PM Rob: Thank you re: Tamara Waldron, etc. [ That was before I began reading here I think ]; Boy, the rapid and intense onslought of public relations defense hogwash [ lectures ] makes one's head spin - and is telling - was way over the top. Also, very insulting, as Americans are fair and decent and all everyone wanted was the truth.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ala_gunslinger on September 11, 2008, 03:25:26 PM Hey all ya'll! Sounds like some 'news' from ruba? What happened to the Shango thread? Hi Gunslinger - Shango has an entire separate forum area...has for a months now, LOL ::MonkeyHaHa:: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0 Thank you so much! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 11, 2008, 03:26:03 PM sinks at first....then gasses make it bloat and float so it is necessary to use stones but how do you do that in the middle of the night ? Well, if I were going to weigh a body down with stones or whatever...I don't think I would need daylight to do so. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 11, 2008, 03:26:24 PM think about this - if Joran's stories are not real and not believable by the prosecutor, ask yourselves why? is it because they have known for three + years the real story? Logical conclusion is 'yes'. And there were so many lies/liars/too much information all the time. Same effect as an overwhelming document dump attorneys like to do to the opposing party as a tactic. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ala_gunslinger on September 11, 2008, 03:26:34 PM Hey all ya'll! Sounds like some 'news' from ruba? What happened to the Shango thread? Hey Guns....Good to C-Ya...btw, do you have my email?...if so, pls email me...TIA...Des ;-) Hi Des! I'm sorry, but I don't have your email. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 03:28:16 PM think about this - if Joran's stories are not real and not believable by the prosecutor, ask yourselves why? is it because they have known for three + years the real story? I think most of us think they have known since shortly after Natalee went missing...we just don't know for sure what they know...perhaps we may find out... right wreck, but my point is there are only so many possibilities left and they are going to have to admit at some point we (TES+ FBI+ US AUTHORITIES) have the right combination. The right combo opens the vault to the secret. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ala_gunslinger on September 11, 2008, 03:29:42 PM think about this - if Joran's stories are not real and not believable by the prosecutor, ask yourselves why? is it because they have known for three + years the real story? I think most of us think they have known since shortly after Natalee went missing...we just don't know for sure what they know...perhaps we may find out... right wreck, but my point is there are only so many possibilities left and they are going to have to admit at some point we (TES+ FBI+ US AUTHORITIES) have the right combination. The right combo opens the vault to the secret. And the right equipment can peer into a crypt. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 03:29:47 PM btw - hey moonshine monkey!!! :smt103
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ala_gunslinger on September 11, 2008, 03:32:22 PM btw - hey moonshine monkey!!! :smt103 What's up old friend? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 03:33:12 PM think about this - if Joran's stories are not real and not believable by the prosecutor, ask yourselves why? is it because they have known for three + years the real story? I think most of us think they have known since shortly after Natalee went missing...we just don't know for sure what they know...perhaps we may find out... nut - if she is in a crypt and it is discovered as so... that will be the final nail for Aruba... it will prove the conspiracy and it will wipe out Aruba forever. I don't think it should take as long as the ocean search to find out if this is correct. It should hopefully be just days. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 03:34:06 PM btw - hey moonshine monkey!!! :smt103 What's up old friend? same as you GS, praying that this is all about to be over. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 11, 2008, 03:34:29 PM If someone has answered -- I missed it! WHO is spear-heading this latest effort? Who asked Tim to return to Aruba? Is OUR Government/FBI involved? LOL...wreck...I don't think you missed it, don't think it has been answered...I don't know, sure would like to though... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blonde on September 11, 2008, 03:41:24 PM The day that Renfro created the big diversion and led everyone on the wild goose chase wasn't June 6th, was it? I think it was the 9th maybe even the 10-11 It may have been the 6th that van der Straten made some sort of announcment. I know he made a few, but I was thinking it was the one about Natalee no longer being alive. There is something sticking in my mind about the 6th. Friday, July 01, 2005 What Does van der Straten Know About Natalee Holloway? h/t to Hasibokus - read more there. In a Dutch interview Aruban Police Superintendent Jan van der Straten told the reporter that he doesn’t believe that Natalee is still alive. With regard to Natalee’s status, van der Straaten gave the following statement to a Dutch reporter: Translation: Rep: Any hopes for a positive outcome? Jan: You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive. Rep: Why not? Jan: Because I know the details of the investigation and you don't! Update: Apparently the translation was first provided by reader repo. Update2 from a reader: The correct translation of what Mr. Van der Straten said, i.e., Omdat ik het onderzoek ken en u niet, is: "Because I am an investigator (a policeman) and you are not." It is not, as earlier reported, "Because I know the details and you don't." Friday, July 01, 2005 at 03:09 PM in Natalee Holloway | Permalink http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/what_does_van_d.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 03:49:13 PM If someone has answered -- I missed it! WHO is spear-heading this latest effort? Who asked Tim to return to Aruba? Is OUR Government/FBI involved? I'm not sure WHO in the USA is involved. My personal opinion is none of this would be happening right now if it weren't for Capslockwizard. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 11, 2008, 03:51:57 PM think about this - if Joran's stories are not real and not believable by the prosecutor, ask yourselves why? is it because they have known for three + years the real story? I think most of us think they have known since shortly after Natalee went missing...we just don't know for sure what they know...perhaps we may find out... nut - if she is in a crypt and it is discovered as so... that will be the final nail for Aruba... it will prove the conspiracy and it will wipe out Aruba forever. I don't think it should take as long as the ocean search to find out if this is correct. It should hopefully be just days. If she was placed in a crypt... I am sure they have already visited the crypt, had her removed, and transported the body to another secret location. Unlike most other crimes, law enforcement needs to lock up law enforcement to solve this case. That may necer happen, unfortunately. Additionally, Aruba knows that the body can never be discovered as it would signify the proverbial "nail in the coffin." Those, who allegedly seek to find the body, are doubled as those responsible for hiding it from the world. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 03:55:21 PM If someone has answered -- I missed it! WHO is spear-heading this latest effort? Who asked Tim to return to Aruba? Is OUR Government/FBI involved? I'm not sure WHO in the USA is involved. My personal opinion is none of this would be happening right now if it weren't for Capslockwizard. Thank-you! I know you can't tell us who "Caps" is -- but can you give us a hint of his "stature" or profession in Aruba? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ala_gunslinger on September 11, 2008, 03:55:26 PM Klaas, would you mind sending Destiny my email please?
Thanks! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Patriot on September 11, 2008, 03:57:51 PM think about this - if Joran's stories are not real and not believable by the prosecutor, ask yourselves why? is it because they have known for three + years the real story? I think most of us think they have known since shortly after Natalee went missing...we just don't know for sure what they know...perhaps we may find out... nut - if she is in a crypt and it is discovered as so... that will be the final nail for Aruba... it will prove the conspiracy and it will wipe out Aruba forever. I don't think it should take as long as the ocean search to find out if this is correct. It should hopefully be just days. If she was placed in a crypt... I am sure they have already visited the crypt, had her removed, and transported the body to another secret location. Unlike most other crimes, law enforcement needs to lock up law enforcement to solve this case. That may necer happen, unfortunately. Additionally, Aruba knows that the body can never be discovered as it would signify the proverbial "nail in the coffin." Those, who allegedly seek to find the body, are doubled as those responsible for hiding it from the world. BINGO! My Thoughts Exactly Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 11, 2008, 04:01:35 PM ALE: What happened, Joran?
Joran: Well, we drugged her, then we raped her. While we were doing it, she accidentally died so we took it upon ourselves to bury her body along with my Dad's help. ALE: Quit making up stories, Joran, you are probably stoned. The story you just gave me is complete bullshit. Matter of fact, I am going to throw away the tapes from this interrogation due to your story being so far-fetched. Joran: But I am telling the truth, sir... ALE: I've had enough...Eight more days in jail for you... Eight days later, extensive coaching, cell phone conversations from jail... ALE: OK, Joran, are you ready to tell me the truth now? Joran: Yes. We gave her a ride home from CnC to her hotel, the Holiday Inn, and two BLACK security guards took it from there. Maybe she was kidnapped. ALE: Much better, Joran. You are free to go home. We have to go arrest those son-of-a-bitch security guards. Have a nice day...Tell your dad that we said hello. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 04:06:34 PM IF Natalee is/was in a crypt -- they should have searched FIRST before running a story in Diario and confronting Mos. I would still like to believe they have already recovered at least some part of Natalee -- they have been waiting for the "break" of a rock solid case to go public.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 04:10:15 PM no 'r00ba trolls yet either
so they either don't knows what's happening - or are about to find out. the onslaught this time should be good fer a few chuckles. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 04:11:45 PM Did part II run in diario today?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ala_gunslinger on September 11, 2008, 04:13:34 PM no 'r00ba trolls yet either so they either don't knows what's happening - or are about to find out. the onslaught this time should be good fer a few chuckles. Have you ever tried to boil a frog? If you toss a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will jump out. If you put a frog in a pot of room temperature water and slowly bring it to boil, the frog will stay in the pot. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 04:15:15 PM no 'r00ba trolls yet either so they either don't knows what's happening - or are about to find out. the onslaught this time should be good fer a few chuckles. Have you ever tried to boil a frog? If you toss a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will jump out. If you put a frog in a pot of room temperature water and slowly bring it to boil, the frog will stay in the pot. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 04:31:09 PM Hey all ya'll! Sounds like some 'news' from ruba? What happened to the Shango thread? Hey Guns....Good to C-Ya...btw, do you have my email?...if so, pls email me...TIA...Des ;-) Hi Des! I'm sorry, but I don't have your email. S'all right...just some of that *feelings* stuff you asked about a long time ago on the feelings thread...saw you had posted...will go through my 10,000+ emails and find your addy...Des ;-) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ala_gunslinger on September 11, 2008, 04:35:07 PM Hey all ya'll! Sounds like some 'news' from ruba? What happened to the Shango thread? Hey Guns....Good to C-Ya...btw, do you have my email?...if so, pls email me...TIA...Des ;-) Hi Des! I'm sorry, but I don't have your email. S'all right...just some of that *feelings* stuff you asked about a long time ago on the feelings thread...saw you had posted...will go through my 10,000+ emails and find your addy...Des ;-) Des, you have mail Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 04:42:08 PM OM: Dam Monserat previously investigated
September 11, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD - The investigation into the missing teenager Natalee Holloway has not shown that her body in the dam of Monserat. "The dam is twice examined in the investigation of Holloway and recently in the vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp," said Ann Angela, spokesman for the Public Prosecutor (OM) According to the PPS, it is not true that a special investigation team from the Netherlands, as yesterday morning newspaper Diario reported to the barrier further. Angela: "During the investigations into Holloway and Tromp is no indication that found in the dam a cadaver or something else burdensome." The morning newspaper announces that finally proved that what an Aruban witness has stated, is the the truth . This would witness a leugendetectortest (liedetector)in the United States have undergone and have been successful. According to the newspaper, the man stated that he on the night of May 30, 2005, about four hours, was awakened by the barking of dogs. When he looked out the window, he saw a person under a lamppost in the direction of his house ran. This person came from the direction of the field of soccer club Nacional (North), near the dam of Monserat. According to the witness was a white man, who wore a shoe and wet with mud besmeurde clothes on. Diario writes that this witness is afraid to provide further details to explain because he knows that Paul van der Sloot, the father of suspect Joran, still has good connections with the gouvernment and OM. However, now by the judiciary in the Netherlands and FBI action be taken now witnessing the leugendetectortest has achieved, says the newspaper, in reporting again the capacities of Chief Hans Mos questionable. In response Angela says that the OM has a suspect whom this witness can be. "Certainly we do not know because the identity of the witness is not known. It is not that the barrier now under examination. " The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. --------------------- dutch OM: Dam Monserat al eerder onderzocht 11 Sep, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD — Uit het onderzoek naar de verdwenen tiener Natalee Holloway is nergens gebleken, dat haar lichaam zich in de dam van Monserat bevindt. “ De dam is bovendien twee keer onderzocht; in het onderzoek van Holloway en recentelijk in de vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp”, aldus Ann Angela, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Volgens het OM is het niet waar dat een speciaal onderzoeksteam uit Nederland komt, zoals ochtendkrant Diario gisteren berichtte, om de dam verder te onderzoeken. Angela:“Tijdens de onderzoeken naar Holloway en Tromp is geen enkele aanwijzing gevonden dat in de dam een stoffelijk overschot of iets anders belastend ligt.” De ochtendkrant meldt ook dat eindelijk bewezen is dat wat een Arubaanse getuige heeft verklaard, de waarheid blijkt te zijn. Deze getuige zou namelijk een leugendetectortest in de Verenigde Staten hebben ondergaan en daarvoor zijn geslaagd. Volgens de krant heeft de man verklaard dat hij in de nacht van 30 mei 2005, omstreeks vier uur, wakker werd door het geblaf van honden. Toen hij uit het raam keek, zag hij onder een lantaarnpaal een persoon die in de richting van zijn huis liep. Deze persoon kwam van de richting van het veld van voetbalclub Nacional (Noord), vlakbij de dam van Monserat. Volgens de getuige ging het om een blanke man, die één schoen droeg en natte met modder besmeurde kleren aan had. Diario schrijft dat deze getuige bang is om nadere details te verklaren omdat hij weet dat Paul van der Sloot, de vader van verdachte Joran, nog steeds goede connecties heeft met het OM. Toch zou nu door justitie in Nederland en FBI actie worden ondernomen nu de getuige de leugendetectortest heeft gehaald, aldus de krant, die in de berichtgeving wederom de capaciteiten van hoofdofficier Hans Mos betwijfeld. In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn. “Zeker weten we het niet omdat de identiteit van de getuige niet bekend is gemaakt. Het is in ieder geval niet zo dat de dam nu weer wordt onderzocht.” Het onderzoek naar de verdwenen Amerikaanse tiener is nog steeds gaande. Eind van dit jaar wordt het strafrechtelijk onderzoek afgesloten en beslist justitie of verdachte Joran van der Sloot wordt vervolgd of niet. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 04:45:40 PM Haven't seen this posted yet...but one *one* of my phone calls to Aruba today....not too long ago...was told that MOS is stalling meeting with Tim/TES today...Tim has to have the paperwork to search Monserat Pond....Mos must issue it b'cuz this is an ongoing case.....email from this am below....they phone call I made was this afternoon....Tim still not able to get into a meeting with MOS....Des
EMAIL 9:02 this AM... Hallo xxxxxx; I don't know if the witness has met with Paulus van der Sloot, but that is the other declaration that the witness has done with the polygraphic test. But today in the newspaper we published that Tim Miller want to meet with Fiscal Mos to have an aprobation to search the ponds of Monserat. I let you know as soon I have more information. Have a nice day xxxxxx Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: JustMeT on September 11, 2008, 04:46:17 PM FBI? So they are involved??
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 04:49:26 PM OM: Dam Monserat previously investigated Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!! ::MonkeyRoll::September 11, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD - The investigation into the missing teenager Natalee Holloway has not shown that her body in the dam of Monserat. "The dam is twice examined in the investigation of Holloway and recently in the vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp," said Ann Angela, spokesman for the Public Prosecutor (OM) According to the PPS, it is not true that a special investigation team from the Netherlands, as yesterday morning newspaper Diario reported to the barrier further. Angela: "During the investigations into Holloway and Tromp is no indication that found in the dam a cadaver or something else burdensome." The morning newspaper announces that finally proved that what an Aruban witness has stated, is the the truth . This would witness a leugendetectortest (liedetector)in the United States have undergone and have been successful. According to the newspaper, the man stated that he on the night of May 30, 2005, about four hours, was awakened by the barking of dogs. When he looked out the window, he saw a person under a lamppost in the direction of his house ran. This person came from the direction of the field of soccer club Nacional (North), near the dam of Monserat. According to the witness was a white man, who wore a shoe and wet with mud besmeurde clothes on. Diario writes that this witness is afraid to provide further details to explain because he knows that Paul van der Sloot, the father of suspect Joran, still has good connections with the gouvernment and OM. However, now by the judiciary in the Netherlands and FBI action be taken now witnessing the leugendetectortest has achieved, says the newspaper, in reporting again the capacities of Chief Hans Mos questionable. In response Angela says that the OM has a suspect whom this witness can be. "Certainly we do not know because the identity of the witness is not known. It is not that the barrier now under examination. " The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. --------------------- dutch OM: Dam Monserat al eerder onderzocht 11 Sep, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD — Uit het onderzoek naar de verdwenen tiener Natalee Holloway is nergens gebleken, dat haar lichaam zich in de dam van Monserat bevindt. “ De dam is bovendien twee keer onderzocht; in het onderzoek van Holloway en recentelijk in de vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp”, aldus Ann Angela, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Volgens het OM is het niet waar dat een speciaal onderzoeksteam uit Nederland komt, zoals ochtendkrant Diario gisteren berichtte, om de dam verder te onderzoeken. Angela:“Tijdens de onderzoeken naar Holloway en Tromp is geen enkele aanwijzing gevonden dat in de dam een stoffelijk overschot of iets anders belastend ligt.” De ochtendkrant meldt ook dat eindelijk bewezen is dat wat een Arubaanse getuige heeft verklaard, de waarheid blijkt te zijn. Deze getuige zou namelijk een leugendetectortest in de Verenigde Staten hebben ondergaan en daarvoor zijn geslaagd. Volgens de krant heeft de man verklaard dat hij in de nacht van 30 mei 2005, omstreeks vier uur, wakker werd door het geblaf van honden. Toen hij uit het raam keek, zag hij onder een lantaarnpaal een persoon die in de richting van zijn huis liep. Deze persoon kwam van de richting van het veld van voetbalclub Nacional (Noord), vlakbij de dam van Monserat. Volgens de getuige ging het om een blanke man, die één schoen droeg en natte met modder besmeurde kleren aan had. Diario schrijft dat deze getuige bang is om nadere details te verklaren omdat hij weet dat Paul van der Sloot, de vader van verdachte Joran, nog steeds goede connecties heeft met het OM. Toch zou nu door justitie in Nederland en FBI actie worden ondernomen nu de getuige de leugendetectortest heeft gehaald, aldus de krant, die in de berichtgeving wederom de capaciteiten van hoofdofficier Hans Mos betwijfeld. In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn. “Zeker weten we het niet omdat de identiteit van de getuige niet bekend is gemaakt. Het is in ieder geval niet zo dat de dam nu weer wordt onderzocht.” Het onderzoek naar de verdwenen Amerikaanse tiener is nog steeds gaande. Eind van dit jaar wordt het strafrechtelijk onderzoek afgesloten en beslist justitie of verdachte Joran van der Sloot wordt vervolgd of niet. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 11, 2008, 04:50:54 PM SS if anyone does it's Klaas, but hopefully she's still asleep ! dutchlady was the first poster to relate a theory regarding a crypt and that was in the end of summer/early fall just months post Natalee's disappearance. I think we all assumed it would be in the graveyard around the corner from Paulus' home, I believe St Anne's? I'd have to look back at my notes from dutchlady and Hammer to be sure..... I actually never heard of a Masonic cemetary......... Caps, godspeed and be safe. Hi there! Do you still have any of that info? It would be great if we could repost it in here. Thanks! Just home and haven't read to end of thread. Not the crypt, but I remember the dogs and matchsticks. The dogs woke the witness?? Dutchlady June 2005: ....Today, I asked spirit guide for help, and like previous cases the message was the song with a vision. ‘Matchstick and matchstick cats and dogs, on the street … with the marching clogs’ This without any prompting was repetitive with an image of like straw or hay, as in pickup sticks as a bundle covering the thing they wanted me to see. My spirit guide is strangely Anita 'Conswala' ( it is how they give it to me as sound) who has not come in before. The place where Natalee is will be found by the Texan dog’s. The bundle of sticks is near WATER, that pond?, no it is near the house. A bin is in the scene, it is red.... http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1518.msg229651#msg229651 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 11, 2008, 04:54:18 PM Dutchlady June 26, 2005:
I to on another board in the beginning got a weathered clap board hut and a fishing sign, which can be corroborated. However the house where Joran lives is a hot spot of bright energy, there is violence there in what form I do not know. The area as in post to aruban girl on photo request explain more on the sticks over a weathered board, and before I consulted this post. I am looking for a trap door that has a store below and feel this is animal place and would make sense. In my none intuitive side, if as forensically aware as these guys are due to dads preferred position which he was said to have failed in Holland as judge I were to think of containing as in Neilson, the Black Panther in UK or as Brady in burial I would appropriate a location and leave a naturally occuring object as a marker. Brady did just that as a sadist well reported in the Dutch media for his MO. I would seek a place that has mosquito leck mating high ratio and insects so that has to be near animals as they use pheramones to target areas. That is sweat, stinking fish, and bovine manure, or pig manure, wild dogs etc and a stagnent water but, or pool nearby. That is the entomology I would be seeking to avoid wasps and insects being seen in the cooller parts of the day that the team of Texans need to look for. Especially wasps hovering over an area that is woody and contained. Next the soil or strata. The ground that has to be dug is the least desired by persons as it leaves as time has gone by a depression as calibration pit, that small grains fall into as settling agents, so sand is out. The best medium that predators use takes the form of animal behaviour in being firm but with some hard grains, and is easy to scoop out larger rocks and with some cover of vegetation. In premeditated actions from historical research such areas of hiding are known already and not just found. The texan team need to look now for a cognition of such knowledge as not themselves but of what is so normal it is missed. A random stack of wood, stones is not random and that why have asked aruban girl on my intuitive side to send photos of natural objects discussed. I have done this and continue to do so on vast spaces using imaging in negative reversal as images used in this way show more detail as ultrasound does in the human body. I feel the weathered boards are significant for some reason so are exposed to the elements. In finding Joran's story and the others completely evades the homes of Joran and the brothers, I wonder more on the cognition of distancing for what logically would be the place where he took people and photographed them unless it was the internet cafe, but would err on the side of Jorans flat complex. From this standpoint and starting point Joran has a problem. A big one. His father is or is said to be in that house, so either this man is playing away - a reasonable assumption, or he is at home when the events happen and wakes to find commotion. This might in the former explain why he is so nervous, often simple clandestine affairs conflict with such a case in the reasons for behaviour. This is a known conflict of interest in a lot of investigations. Please know we are all trying and pass on my signs as forensic markers of where a grave or depository would show as visual markers taken as 'normal'. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1403.msg235478#msg235478 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 04:56:18 PM May 2007
The team of the KLPD knows that Joran Sloot from the Netherlands had plans to visit his parents for a week on Aruba . Under the guise of an investigation into the house (housesearch) (the couple Van der Sloot was away at that time ) spymicrophones were installed in the house by specialists of the Service Specialist Forensic Applications from Driebergen . But unfortunately, Joran did not come to Aruba and the people of the KLPD caught nothing. Later, a similar operation carried out by the Kalpoe brothers, but also no result Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 04:56:56 PM FBI? So they are involved?? That has not been confirmed at this time. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 05:00:46 PM OM: Dam Monserat previously investigated Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!! ::MonkeyRoll::September 11, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD - The investigation into the missing teenager Natalee Holloway has not shown that her body in the dam of Monserat. "The dam is twice examined in the investigation of Holloway and recently in the vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp," said Ann Angela, spokesman for the Public Prosecutor (OM) According to the PPS, it is not true that a special investigation team from the Netherlands, as yesterday morning newspaper Diario reported to the barrier further. Angela: "During the investigations into Holloway and Tromp is no indication that found in the dam a cadaver or something else burdensome." The morning newspaper announces that finally proved that what an Aruban witness has stated, is the the truth . This would witness a leugendetectortest (liedetector)in the United States have undergone and have been successful. According to the newspaper, the man stated that he on the night of May 30, 2005, about four hours, was awakened by the barking of dogs. When he looked out the window, he saw a person under a lamppost in the direction of his house ran. This person came from the direction of the field of soccer club Nacional (North), near the dam of Monserat. According to the witness was a white man, who wore a shoe and wet with mud besmeurde clothes on. Diario writes that this witness is afraid to provide further details to explain because he knows that Paul van der Sloot, the father of suspect Joran, still has good connections with the gouvernment and OM. However, now by the judiciary in the Netherlands and FBI action be taken now witnessing the leugendetectortest has achieved, says the newspaper, in reporting again the capacities of Chief Hans Mos questionable. In response Angela says that the OM has a suspect whom this witness can be. "Certainly we do not know because the identity of the witness is not known. It is not that the barrier now under examination. " The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. --------------------- dutch OM: Dam Monserat al eerder onderzocht 11 Sep, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD — Uit het onderzoek naar de verdwenen tiener Natalee Holloway is nergens gebleken, dat haar lichaam zich in de dam van Monserat bevindt. “ De dam is bovendien twee keer onderzocht; in het onderzoek van Holloway en recentelijk in de vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp”, aldus Ann Angela, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Volgens het OM is het niet waar dat een speciaal onderzoeksteam uit Nederland komt, zoals ochtendkrant Diario gisteren berichtte, om de dam verder te onderzoeken. Angela:“Tijdens de onderzoeken naar Holloway en Tromp is geen enkele aanwijzing gevonden dat in de dam een stoffelijk overschot of iets anders belastend ligt.” De ochtendkrant meldt ook dat eindelijk bewezen is dat wat een Arubaanse getuige heeft verklaard, de waarheid blijkt te zijn. Deze getuige zou namelijk een leugendetectortest in de Verenigde Staten hebben ondergaan en daarvoor zijn geslaagd. Volgens de krant heeft de man verklaard dat hij in de nacht van 30 mei 2005, omstreeks vier uur, wakker werd door het geblaf van honden. Toen hij uit het raam keek, zag hij onder een lantaarnpaal een persoon die in de richting van zijn huis liep. Deze persoon kwam van de richting van het veld van voetbalclub Nacional (Noord), vlakbij de dam van Monserat. Volgens de getuige ging het om een blanke man, die één schoen droeg en natte met modder besmeurde kleren aan had. Diario schrijft dat deze getuige bang is om nadere details te verklaren omdat hij weet dat Paul van der Sloot, de vader van verdachte Joran, nog steeds goede connecties heeft met het OM. Toch zou nu door justitie in Nederland en FBI actie worden ondernomen nu de getuige de leugendetectortest heeft gehaald, aldus de krant, die in de berichtgeving wederom de capaciteiten van hoofdofficier Hans Mos betwijfeld. In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn. “Zeker weten we het niet omdat de identiteit van de getuige niet bekend is gemaakt. Het is in ieder geval niet zo dat de dam nu weer wordt onderzocht.” Het onderzoek naar de verdwenen Amerikaanse tiener is nog steeds gaande. Eind van dit jaar wordt het strafrechtelijk onderzoek afgesloten en beslist justitie of verdachte Joran van der Sloot wordt vervolgd of niet. Hmmmm. That is not true...they have known this witness for some time....hmmmmm... Uh oh...I see bells and whistles going off at OM....quick put all the info in the bottomless evidence drawer...hurry, hurry. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: JustMeT on September 11, 2008, 05:00:58 PM OM: Dam Monserat previously investigated September 11, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD - The investigation into the missing teenager Natalee Holloway has not shown that her body in the dam of Monserat. "The dam is twice examined in the investigation of Holloway and recently in the vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp," said Ann Angela, spokesman for the Public Prosecutor (OM) According to the PPS, it is not true that a special investigation team from the Netherlands, as yesterday morning newspaper Diario reported to the barrier further. Angela: "During the investigations into Holloway and Tromp is no indication that found in the dam a cadaver or something else burdensome." The morning newspaper announces that finally proved that what an Aruban witness has stated, is the the truth . This would witness a leugendetectortest (liedetector)in the United States have undergone and have been successful. According to the newspaper, the man stated that he on the night of May 30, 2005, about four hours, was awakened by the barking of dogs. When he looked out the window, he saw a person under a lamppost in the direction of his house ran. This person came from the direction of the field of soccer club Nacional (North), near the dam of Monserat. According to the witness was a white man, who wore a shoe and wet with mud besmeurde clothes on. Diario writes that this witness is afraid to provide further details to explain because he knows that Paul van der Sloot, the father of suspect Joran, still has good connections with the gouvernment and OM. However, now by the judiciary in the Netherlands and FBI action be taken now witnessing the leugendetectortest has achieved, says the newspaper, in reporting again the capacities of Chief Hans Mos questionable. In response Angela says that the OM has a suspect whom this witness can be. "Certainly we do not know because the identity of the witness is not known. It is not that the barrier now under examination. " The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. --------------------- dutch OM: Dam Monserat al eerder onderzocht 11 Sep, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD — Uit het onderzoek naar de verdwenen tiener Natalee Holloway is nergens gebleken, dat haar lichaam zich in de dam van Monserat bevindt. “ De dam is bovendien twee keer onderzocht; in het onderzoek van Holloway en recentelijk in de vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp”, aldus Ann Angela, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Volgens het OM is het niet waar dat een speciaal onderzoeksteam uit Nederland komt, zoals ochtendkrant Diario gisteren berichtte, om de dam verder te onderzoeken. Angela:“Tijdens de onderzoeken naar Holloway en Tromp is geen enkele aanwijzing gevonden dat in de dam een stoffelijk overschot of iets anders belastend ligt.” De ochtendkrant meldt ook dat eindelijk bewezen is dat wat een Arubaanse getuige heeft verklaard, de waarheid blijkt te zijn. Deze getuige zou namelijk een leugendetectortest in de Verenigde Staten hebben ondergaan en daarvoor zijn geslaagd. Volgens de krant heeft de man verklaard dat hij in de nacht van 30 mei 2005, omstreeks vier uur, wakker werd door het geblaf van honden. Toen hij uit het raam keek, zag hij onder een lantaarnpaal een persoon die in de richting van zijn huis liep. Deze persoon kwam van de richting van het veld van voetbalclub Nacional (Noord), vlakbij de dam van Monserat. Volgens de getuige ging het om een blanke man, die één schoen droeg en natte met modder besmeurde kleren aan had. Diario schrijft dat deze getuige bang is om nadere details te verklaren omdat hij weet dat Paul van der Sloot, de vader van verdachte Joran, nog steeds goede connecties heeft met het OM. Toch zou nu door justitie in Nederland en FBI actie worden ondernomen nu de getuige de leugendetectortest heeft gehaald, aldus de krant, die in de berichtgeving wederom de capaciteiten van hoofdofficier Hans Mos betwijfeld. In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn. “Zeker weten we het niet omdat de identiteit van de getuige niet bekend is gemaakt. Het is in ieder geval niet zo dat de dam nu weer wordt onderzocht.” Het onderzoek naar de verdwenen Amerikaanse tiener is nog steeds gaande. Eind van dit jaar wordt het strafrechtelijk onderzoek afgesloten en beslist justitie of verdachte Joran van der Sloot wordt vervolgd of niet. Okay so I am not understanding the above bolded part? TIA Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 05:01:41 PM OM: Dam Monserat previously investigated Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!! ::MonkeyRoll::September 11, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD - The investigation into the missing teenager Natalee Holloway has not shown that her body in the dam of Monserat. "The dam is twice examined in the investigation of Holloway and recently in the vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp," said Ann Angela, spokesman for the Public Prosecutor (OM) According to the PPS, it is not true that a special investigation team from the Netherlands, as yesterday morning newspaper Diario reported to the barrier further. Angela: "During the investigations into Holloway and Tromp is no indication that found in the dam a cadaver or something else burdensome." The morning newspaper announces that finally proved that what an Aruban witness has stated, is the the truth . This would witness a leugendetectortest (liedetector)in the United States have undergone and have been successful. According to the newspaper, the man stated that he on the night of May 30, 2005, about four hours, was awakened by the barking of dogs. When he looked out the window, he saw a person under a lamppost in the direction of his house ran. This person came from the direction of the field of soccer club Nacional (North), near the dam of Monserat. According to the witness was a white man, who wore a shoe and wet with mud besmeurde clothes on. Diario writes that this witness is afraid to provide further details to explain because he knows that Paul van der Sloot, the father of suspect Joran, still has good connections with the gouvernment and OM. However, now by the judiciary in the Netherlands and FBI action be taken now witnessing the leugendetectortest has achieved, says the newspaper, in reporting again the capacities of Chief Hans Mos questionable. In response Angela says that the OM has a suspect whom this witness can be. "Certainly we do not know because the identity of the witness is not known. It is not that the barrier now under examination. " The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. --------------------- dutch OM: Dam Monserat al eerder onderzocht 11 Sep, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD — Uit het onderzoek naar de verdwenen tiener Natalee Holloway is nergens gebleken, dat haar lichaam zich in de dam van Monserat bevindt. “ De dam is bovendien twee keer onderzocht; in het onderzoek van Holloway en recentelijk in de vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp”, aldus Ann Angela, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Volgens het OM is het niet waar dat een speciaal onderzoeksteam uit Nederland komt, zoals ochtendkrant Diario gisteren berichtte, om de dam verder te onderzoeken. Angela:“Tijdens de onderzoeken naar Holloway en Tromp is geen enkele aanwijzing gevonden dat in de dam een stoffelijk overschot of iets anders belastend ligt.” De ochtendkrant meldt ook dat eindelijk bewezen is dat wat een Arubaanse getuige heeft verklaard, de waarheid blijkt te zijn. Deze getuige zou namelijk een leugendetectortest in de Verenigde Staten hebben ondergaan en daarvoor zijn geslaagd. Volgens de krant heeft de man verklaard dat hij in de nacht van 30 mei 2005, omstreeks vier uur, wakker werd door het geblaf van honden. Toen hij uit het raam keek, zag hij onder een lantaarnpaal een persoon die in de richting van zijn huis liep. Deze persoon kwam van de richting van het veld van voetbalclub Nacional (Noord), vlakbij de dam van Monserat. Volgens de getuige ging het om een blanke man, die één schoen droeg en natte met modder besmeurde kleren aan had. Diario schrijft dat deze getuige bang is om nadere details te verklaren omdat hij weet dat Paul van der Sloot, de vader van verdachte Joran, nog steeds goede connecties heeft met het OM. Toch zou nu door justitie in Nederland en FBI actie worden ondernomen nu de getuige de leugendetectortest heeft gehaald, aldus de krant, die in de berichtgeving wederom de capaciteiten van hoofdofficier Hans Mos betwijfeld. In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn. “Zeker weten we het niet omdat de identiteit van de getuige niet bekend is gemaakt. Het is in ieder geval niet zo dat de dam nu weer wordt onderzocht.” Het onderzoek naar de verdwenen Amerikaanse tiener is nog steeds gaande. Eind van dit jaar wordt het strafrechtelijk onderzoek afgesloten en beslist justitie of verdachte Joran van der Sloot wordt vervolgd of niet. no wreck this is a wrong translation by google ::MonkeyHaHa:: In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn angela said that she perhaps knows who the witness is Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: JustMeT on September 11, 2008, 05:02:43 PM OM: Dam Monserat previously investigated Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!! ::MonkeyRoll::September 11, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD - The investigation into the missing teenager Natalee Holloway has not shown that her body in the dam of Monserat. "The dam is twice examined in the investigation of Holloway and recently in the vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp," said Ann Angela, spokesman for the Public Prosecutor (OM) According to the PPS, it is not true that a special investigation team from the Netherlands, as yesterday morning newspaper Diario reported to the barrier further. Angela: "During the investigations into Holloway and Tromp is no indication that found in the dam a cadaver or something else burdensome." The morning newspaper announces that finally proved that what an Aruban witness has stated, is the the truth . This would witness a leugendetectortest (liedetector)in the United States have undergone and have been successful. According to the newspaper, the man stated that he on the night of May 30, 2005, about four hours, was awakened by the barking of dogs. When he looked out the window, he saw a person under a lamppost in the direction of his house ran. This person came from the direction of the field of soccer club Nacional (North), near the dam of Monserat. According to the witness was a white man, who wore a shoe and wet with mud besmeurde clothes on. Diario writes that this witness is afraid to provide further details to explain because he knows that Paul van der Sloot, the father of suspect Joran, still has good connections with the gouvernment and OM. However, now by the judiciary in the Netherlands and FBI action be taken now witnessing the leugendetectortest has achieved, says the newspaper, in reporting again the capacities of Chief Hans Mos questionable. In response Angela says that the OM has a suspect whom this witness can be. "Certainly we do not know because the identity of the witness is not known. It is not that the barrier now under examination. " The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. --------------------- dutch OM: Dam Monserat al eerder onderzocht 11 Sep, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD — Uit het onderzoek naar de verdwenen tiener Natalee Holloway is nergens gebleken, dat haar lichaam zich in de dam van Monserat bevindt. “ De dam is bovendien twee keer onderzocht; in het onderzoek van Holloway en recentelijk in de vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp”, aldus Ann Angela, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Volgens het OM is het niet waar dat een speciaal onderzoeksteam uit Nederland komt, zoals ochtendkrant Diario gisteren berichtte, om de dam verder te onderzoeken. Angela:“Tijdens de onderzoeken naar Holloway en Tromp is geen enkele aanwijzing gevonden dat in de dam een stoffelijk overschot of iets anders belastend ligt.” De ochtendkrant meldt ook dat eindelijk bewezen is dat wat een Arubaanse getuige heeft verklaard, de waarheid blijkt te zijn. Deze getuige zou namelijk een leugendetectortest in de Verenigde Staten hebben ondergaan en daarvoor zijn geslaagd. Volgens de krant heeft de man verklaard dat hij in de nacht van 30 mei 2005, omstreeks vier uur, wakker werd door het geblaf van honden. Toen hij uit het raam keek, zag hij onder een lantaarnpaal een persoon die in de richting van zijn huis liep. Deze persoon kwam van de richting van het veld van voetbalclub Nacional (Noord), vlakbij de dam van Monserat. Volgens de getuige ging het om een blanke man, die één schoen droeg en natte met modder besmeurde kleren aan had. Diario schrijft dat deze getuige bang is om nadere details te verklaren omdat hij weet dat Paul van der Sloot, de vader van verdachte Joran, nog steeds goede connecties heeft met het OM. Toch zou nu door justitie in Nederland en FBI actie worden ondernomen nu de getuige de leugendetectortest heeft gehaald, aldus de krant, die in de berichtgeving wederom de capaciteiten van hoofdofficier Hans Mos betwijfeld. In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn. “Zeker weten we het niet omdat de identiteit van de getuige niet bekend is gemaakt. Het is in ieder geval niet zo dat de dam nu weer wordt onderzocht.” Het onderzoek naar de verdwenen Amerikaanse tiener is nog steeds gaande. Eind van dit jaar wordt het strafrechtelijk onderzoek afgesloten en beslist justitie of verdachte Joran van der Sloot wordt vervolgd of niet. Hmmmm. That is not true...they have known this witness for some time....hmmmmm... Uh oh...I see bells and whistles going off at OM....quick put all the info in the bottomless evidence drawer...hurry, hurry. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 11, 2008, 05:07:01 PM If someone has answered -- I missed it! WHO is spear-heading this latest effort? Who asked Tim to return to Aruba? Is OUR Government/FBI involved? I'm not sure WHO in the USA is involved. My personal opinion is none of this would be happening right now if it weren't for Capslockwizard. Caps has worked very closely with us for many months at his own great personal risk. He has provided incredible amounts of information. Many monkeys have spent hours verifying information. I know that many of us have been disappointed when ALE has sabotaged past efforts to find Natalee, but let's try to stay the course for now in the direction that Caps has led us. Right now, TES and Jossy are working with the information from Caps and the witness. This information involves the Matty Apts., the Monserat pond, and the Masonic Lodge cemetery. The information is currently being treated as valid and worthy of bringing the witness to Houston and TES returning to Aruba in the midst of the Orlando situation. Let's try not to confuse things or discount emerging possibilities until we know for sure. All of the many months of research, discussions, and details are in the Shango thread from about February. I guarantee that it is all a very interesting read that exposes the belly of Aruban corruption with names and events that will just make you want to scream. Some of what we have explored over the past three years is accurate and a lot has been incorrect information. Many new connections have been discovered. Please take some time to read through it. And please, let's show a strong support for Caps and the witness, for Natalee's sake. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 05:07:16 PM OM: Dam Monserat previously investigated Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!! ::MonkeyRoll::September 11, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD - The investigation into the missing teenager Natalee Holloway has not shown that her body in the dam of Monserat. "The dam is twice examined in the investigation of Holloway and recently in the vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp," said Ann Angela, spokesman for the Public Prosecutor (OM) According to the PPS, it is not true that a special investigation team from the Netherlands, as yesterday morning newspaper Diario reported to the barrier further. Angela: "During the investigations into Holloway and Tromp is no indication that found in the dam a cadaver or something else burdensome." The morning newspaper announces that finally proved that what an Aruban witness has stated, is the the truth . This would witness a leugendetectortest (liedetector)in the United States have undergone and have been successful. According to the newspaper, the man stated that he on the night of May 30, 2005, about four hours, was awakened by the barking of dogs. When he looked out the window, he saw a person under a lamppost in the direction of his house ran. This person came from the direction of the field of soccer club Nacional (North), near the dam of Monserat. According to the witness was a white man, who wore a shoe and wet with mud besmeurde clothes on. Diario writes that this witness is afraid to provide further details to explain because he knows that Paul van der Sloot, the father of suspect Joran, still has good connections with the gouvernment and OM. However, now by the judiciary in the Netherlands and FBI action be taken now witnessing the leugendetectortest has achieved, says the newspaper, in reporting again the capacities of Chief Hans Mos questionable. In response Angela says that the OM has a suspect whom this witness can be. "Certainly we do not know because the identity of the witness is not known. It is not that the barrier now under examination. " The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. --------------------- dutch OM: Dam Monserat al eerder onderzocht 11 Sep, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD — Uit het onderzoek naar de verdwenen tiener Natalee Holloway is nergens gebleken, dat haar lichaam zich in de dam van Monserat bevindt. “ De dam is bovendien twee keer onderzocht; in het onderzoek van Holloway en recentelijk in de vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp”, aldus Ann Angela, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Volgens het OM is het niet waar dat een speciaal onderzoeksteam uit Nederland komt, zoals ochtendkrant Diario gisteren berichtte, om de dam verder te onderzoeken. Angela:“Tijdens de onderzoeken naar Holloway en Tromp is geen enkele aanwijzing gevonden dat in de dam een stoffelijk overschot of iets anders belastend ligt.” De ochtendkrant meldt ook dat eindelijk bewezen is dat wat een Arubaanse getuige heeft verklaard, de waarheid blijkt te zijn. Deze getuige zou namelijk een leugendetectortest in de Verenigde Staten hebben ondergaan en daarvoor zijn geslaagd. Volgens de krant heeft de man verklaard dat hij in de nacht van 30 mei 2005, omstreeks vier uur, wakker werd door het geblaf van honden. Toen hij uit het raam keek, zag hij onder een lantaarnpaal een persoon die in de richting van zijn huis liep. Deze persoon kwam van de richting van het veld van voetbalclub Nacional (Noord), vlakbij de dam van Monserat. Volgens de getuige ging het om een blanke man, die één schoen droeg en natte met modder besmeurde kleren aan had. Diario schrijft dat deze getuige bang is om nadere details te verklaren omdat hij weet dat Paul van der Sloot, de vader van verdachte Joran, nog steeds goede connecties heeft met het OM. Toch zou nu door justitie in Nederland en FBI actie worden ondernomen nu de getuige de leugendetectortest heeft gehaald, aldus de krant, die in de berichtgeving wederom de capaciteiten van hoofdofficier Hans Mos betwijfeld. In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn. “Zeker weten we het niet omdat de identiteit van de getuige niet bekend is gemaakt. Het is in ieder geval niet zo dat de dam nu weer wordt onderzocht.” Het onderzoek naar de verdwenen Amerikaanse tiener is nog steeds gaande. Eind van dit jaar wordt het strafrechtelijk onderzoek afgesloten en beslist justitie of verdachte Joran van der Sloot wordt vervolgd of niet. no wreck this is a wrong translation by google ::MonkeyHaHa:: In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn angela said that she perhaps knows who the witness is Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 05:07:45 PM OM: Dam Monserat previously investigated September 11, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD - The investigation into the missing teenager Natalee Holloway has not shown that her body in the dam of Monserat. "The dam is twice examined in the investigation of Holloway and recently in the vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp," said Ann Angela, spokesman for the Public Prosecutor (OM) According to the PPS, it is not true that a special investigation team from the Netherlands, as yesterday morning newspaper Diario reported to the barrier further. Angela: "During the investigations into Holloway and Tromp is no indication that found in the dam a cadaver or something else burdensome." The morning newspaper announces that finally proved that what an Aruban witness has stated, is the the truth . This would witness a leugendetectortest (liedetector)in the United States have undergone and have been successful. According to the newspaper, the man stated that he on the night of May 30, 2005, about four hours, was awakened by the barking of dogs. When he looked out the window, he saw a person under a lamppost in the direction of his house ran. This person came from the direction of the field of soccer club Nacional (North), near the dam of Monserat. According to the witness was a white man, who wore a shoe and wet with mud besmeurde clothes on. Diario writes that this witness is afraid to provide further details to explain because he knows that Paul van der Sloot, the father of suspect Joran, still has good connections with the gouvernment and OM. However, now by the judiciary in the Netherlands and FBI action be taken now witnessing the leugendetectortest has achieved, says the newspaper, in reporting again the capacities of Chief Hans Mos questionable. In response Angela says that the OM has a suspect whom this witness can be. "Certainly we do not know because the identity of the witness is not known. It is not that the barrier now under examination. " The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. --------------------- dutch OM: Dam Monserat al eerder onderzocht 11 Sep, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD — Uit het onderzoek naar de verdwenen tiener Natalee Holloway is nergens gebleken, dat haar lichaam zich in de dam van Monserat bevindt. “ De dam is bovendien twee keer onderzocht; in het onderzoek van Holloway en recentelijk in de vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp”, aldus Ann Angela, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Volgens het OM is het niet waar dat een speciaal onderzoeksteam uit Nederland komt, zoals ochtendkrant Diario gisteren berichtte, om de dam verder te onderzoeken. Angela:“Tijdens de onderzoeken naar Holloway en Tromp is geen enkele aanwijzing gevonden dat in de dam een stoffelijk overschot of iets anders belastend ligt.” De ochtendkrant meldt ook dat eindelijk bewezen is dat wat een Arubaanse getuige heeft verklaard, de waarheid blijkt te zijn. Deze getuige zou namelijk een leugendetectortest in de Verenigde Staten hebben ondergaan en daarvoor zijn geslaagd. Volgens de krant heeft de man verklaard dat hij in de nacht van 30 mei 2005, omstreeks vier uur, wakker werd door het geblaf van honden. Toen hij uit het raam keek, zag hij onder een lantaarnpaal een persoon die in de richting van zijn huis liep. Deze persoon kwam van de richting van het veld van voetbalclub Nacional (Noord), vlakbij de dam van Monserat. Volgens de getuige ging het om een blanke man, die één schoen droeg en natte met modder besmeurde kleren aan had. Diario schrijft dat deze getuige bang is om nadere details te verklaren omdat hij weet dat Paul van der Sloot, de vader van verdachte Joran, nog steeds goede connecties heeft met het OM. Toch zou nu door justitie in Nederland en FBI actie worden ondernomen nu de getuige de leugendetectortest heeft gehaald, aldus de krant, die in de berichtgeving wederom de capaciteiten van hoofdofficier Hans Mos betwijfeld. In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn. “Zeker weten we het niet omdat de identiteit van de getuige niet bekend is gemaakt. Het is in ieder geval niet zo dat de dam nu weer wordt onderzocht.” Het onderzoek naar de verdwenen Amerikaanse tiener is nog steeds gaande. Eind van dit jaar wordt het strafrechtelijk onderzoek afgesloten en beslist justitie of verdachte Joran van der Sloot wordt vervolgd of niet. Okay so I am not understanding the above bolded part? TIA Maybe they are questionind whether or not Mos will act on this information. He didn't act on it when he obtained it the first time...and now they wait to see if he will allow Tim to check out the pond again or maybe even those crypts. OR they could be questioning his manhood. :smt102 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 05:12:17 PM FBI? So they are involved?? That has not been confirmed at this time. So true Lala's...but...FBI...not the only Big Guns who are involed...Des Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 05:14:36 PM OM: Dam Monserat previously investigated Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!! ::MonkeyRoll::September 11, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD - The investigation into the missing teenager Natalee Holloway has not shown that her body in the dam of Monserat. "The dam is twice examined in the investigation of Holloway and recently in the vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp," said Ann Angela, spokesman for the Public Prosecutor (OM) According to the PPS, it is not true that a special investigation team from the Netherlands, as yesterday morning newspaper Diario reported to the barrier further. Angela: "During the investigations into Holloway and Tromp is no indication that found in the dam a cadaver or something else burdensome." The morning newspaper announces that finally proved that what an Aruban witness has stated, is the the truth . This would witness a leugendetectortest (liedetector)in the United States have undergone and have been successful. According to the newspaper, the man stated that he on the night of May 30, 2005, about four hours, was awakened by the barking of dogs. When he looked out the window, he saw a person under a lamppost in the direction of his house ran. This person came from the direction of the field of soccer club Nacional (North), near the dam of Monserat. According to the witness was a white man, who wore a shoe and wet with mud besmeurde clothes on. Diario writes that this witness is afraid to provide further details to explain because he knows that Paul van der Sloot, the father of suspect Joran, still has good connections with the gouvernment and OM. However, now by the judiciary in the Netherlands and FBI action be taken now witnessing the leugendetectortest has achieved, says the newspaper, in reporting again the capacities of Chief Hans Mos questionable. In response Angela says that the OM has a suspect whom this witness can be. "Certainly we do not know because the identity of the witness is not known. It is not that the barrier now under examination. " The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. --------------------- dutch OM: Dam Monserat al eerder onderzocht 11 Sep, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD — Uit het onderzoek naar de verdwenen tiener Natalee Holloway is nergens gebleken, dat haar lichaam zich in de dam van Monserat bevindt. “ De dam is bovendien twee keer onderzocht; in het onderzoek van Holloway en recentelijk in de vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp”, aldus Ann Angela, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Volgens het OM is het niet waar dat een speciaal onderzoeksteam uit Nederland komt, zoals ochtendkrant Diario gisteren berichtte, om de dam verder te onderzoeken. Angela:“Tijdens de onderzoeken naar Holloway en Tromp is geen enkele aanwijzing gevonden dat in de dam een stoffelijk overschot of iets anders belastend ligt.” De ochtendkrant meldt ook dat eindelijk bewezen is dat wat een Arubaanse getuige heeft verklaard, de waarheid blijkt te zijn. Deze getuige zou namelijk een leugendetectortest in de Verenigde Staten hebben ondergaan en daarvoor zijn geslaagd. Volgens de krant heeft de man verklaard dat hij in de nacht van 30 mei 2005, omstreeks vier uur, wakker werd door het geblaf van honden. Toen hij uit het raam keek, zag hij onder een lantaarnpaal een persoon die in de richting van zijn huis liep. Deze persoon kwam van de richting van het veld van voetbalclub Nacional (Noord), vlakbij de dam van Monserat. Volgens de getuige ging het om een blanke man, die één schoen droeg en natte met modder besmeurde kleren aan had. Diario schrijft dat deze getuige bang is om nadere details te verklaren omdat hij weet dat Paul van der Sloot, de vader van verdachte Joran, nog steeds goede connecties heeft met het OM. Toch zou nu door justitie in Nederland en FBI actie worden ondernomen nu de getuige de leugendetectortest heeft gehaald, aldus de krant, die in de berichtgeving wederom de capaciteiten van hoofdofficier Hans Mos betwijfeld. In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn. “Zeker weten we het niet omdat de identiteit van de getuige niet bekend is gemaakt. Het is in ieder geval niet zo dat de dam nu weer wordt onderzocht.” Het onderzoek naar de verdwenen Amerikaanse tiener is nog steeds gaande. Eind van dit jaar wordt het strafrechtelijk onderzoek afgesloten en beslist justitie of verdachte Joran van der Sloot wordt vervolgd of niet. Wreck...it WON'T work this time.....Des ;-) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 05:15:42 PM OM: Dam Monserat previously investigated Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!! ::MonkeyRoll::September 11, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD - The investigation into the missing teenager Natalee Holloway has not shown that her body in the dam of Monserat. "The dam is twice examined in the investigation of Holloway and recently in the vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp," said Ann Angela, spokesman for the Public Prosecutor (OM) According to the PPS, it is not true that a special investigation team from the Netherlands, as yesterday morning newspaper Diario reported to the barrier further. Angela: "During the investigations into Holloway and Tromp is no indication that found in the dam a cadaver or something else burdensome." The morning newspaper announces that finally proved that what an Aruban witness has stated, is the the truth . This would witness a leugendetectortest (liedetector)in the United States have undergone and have been successful. According to the newspaper, the man stated that he on the night of May 30, 2005, about four hours, was awakened by the barking of dogs. When he looked out the window, he saw a person under a lamppost in the direction of his house ran. This person came from the direction of the field of soccer club Nacional (North), near the dam of Monserat. According to the witness was a white man, who wore a shoe and wet with mud besmeurde clothes on. Diario writes that this witness is afraid to provide further details to explain because he knows that Paul van der Sloot, the father of suspect Joran, still has good connections with the gouvernment and OM. However, now by the judiciary in the Netherlands and FBI action be taken now witnessing the leugendetectortest has achieved, says the newspaper, in reporting again the capacities of Chief Hans Mos questionable. In response Angela says that the OM has a suspect whom this witness can be. "Certainly we do not know because the identity of the witness is not known. It is not that the barrier now under examination. " The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. --------------------- dutch OM: Dam Monserat al eerder onderzocht 11 Sep, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD — Uit het onderzoek naar de verdwenen tiener Natalee Holloway is nergens gebleken, dat haar lichaam zich in de dam van Monserat bevindt. “ De dam is bovendien twee keer onderzocht; in het onderzoek van Holloway en recentelijk in de vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp”, aldus Ann Angela, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Volgens het OM is het niet waar dat een speciaal onderzoeksteam uit Nederland komt, zoals ochtendkrant Diario gisteren berichtte, om de dam verder te onderzoeken. Angela:“Tijdens de onderzoeken naar Holloway en Tromp is geen enkele aanwijzing gevonden dat in de dam een stoffelijk overschot of iets anders belastend ligt.” De ochtendkrant meldt ook dat eindelijk bewezen is dat wat een Arubaanse getuige heeft verklaard, de waarheid blijkt te zijn. Deze getuige zou namelijk een leugendetectortest in de Verenigde Staten hebben ondergaan en daarvoor zijn geslaagd. Volgens de krant heeft de man verklaard dat hij in de nacht van 30 mei 2005, omstreeks vier uur, wakker werd door het geblaf van honden. Toen hij uit het raam keek, zag hij onder een lantaarnpaal een persoon die in de richting van zijn huis liep. Deze persoon kwam van de richting van het veld van voetbalclub Nacional (Noord), vlakbij de dam van Monserat. Volgens de getuige ging het om een blanke man, die één schoen droeg en natte met modder besmeurde kleren aan had. Diario schrijft dat deze getuige bang is om nadere details te verklaren omdat hij weet dat Paul van der Sloot, de vader van verdachte Joran, nog steeds goede connecties heeft met het OM. Toch zou nu door justitie in Nederland en FBI actie worden ondernomen nu de getuige de leugendetectortest heeft gehaald, aldus de krant, die in de berichtgeving wederom de capaciteiten van hoofdofficier Hans Mos betwijfeld. In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn. “Zeker weten we het niet omdat de identiteit van de getuige niet bekend is gemaakt. Het is in ieder geval niet zo dat de dam nu weer wordt onderzocht.” Het onderzoek naar de verdwenen Amerikaanse tiener is nog steeds gaande. Eind van dit jaar wordt het strafrechtelijk onderzoek afgesloten en beslist justitie of verdachte Joran van der Sloot wordt vervolgd of niet. no wreck this is a wrong translation by google ::MonkeyHaHa:: In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn angela said that she perhaps knows who the witness is i don't trust the Public Prosecutors (OM) overthere at all Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 05:17:01 PM OM: Dam Monserat previously investigated Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!! ::MonkeyRoll::September 11, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD - The investigation into the missing teenager Natalee Holloway has not shown that her body in the dam of Monserat. "The dam is twice examined in the investigation of Holloway and recently in the vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp," said Ann Angela, spokesman for the Public Prosecutor (OM) According to the PPS, it is not true that a special investigation team from the Netherlands, as yesterday morning newspaper Diario reported to the barrier further. Angela: "During the investigations into Holloway and Tromp is no indication that found in the dam a cadaver or something else burdensome." The morning newspaper announces that finally proved that what an Aruban witness has stated, is the the truth . This would witness a leugendetectortest (liedetector)in the United States have undergone and have been successful. According to the newspaper, the man stated that he on the night of May 30, 2005, about four hours, was awakened by the barking of dogs. When he looked out the window, he saw a person under a lamppost in the direction of his house ran. This person came from the direction of the field of soccer club Nacional (North), near the dam of Monserat. According to the witness was a white man, who wore a shoe and wet with mud besmeurde clothes on. Diario writes that this witness is afraid to provide further details to explain because he knows that Paul van der Sloot, the father of suspect Joran, still has good connections with the gouvernment and OM. However, now by the judiciary in the Netherlands and FBI action be taken now witnessing the leugendetectortest has achieved, says the newspaper, in reporting again the capacities of Chief Hans Mos questionable. In response Angela says that the OM has a suspect whom this witness can be. "Certainly we do not know because the identity of the witness is not known. It is not that the barrier now under examination. " The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. --------------------- dutch OM: Dam Monserat al eerder onderzocht 11 Sep, 2008, 15:30 (GMT -04:00) ORANJESTAD — Uit het onderzoek naar de verdwenen tiener Natalee Holloway is nergens gebleken, dat haar lichaam zich in de dam van Monserat bevindt. “ De dam is bovendien twee keer onderzocht; in het onderzoek van Holloway en recentelijk in de vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp”, aldus Ann Angela, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Volgens het OM is het niet waar dat een speciaal onderzoeksteam uit Nederland komt, zoals ochtendkrant Diario gisteren berichtte, om de dam verder te onderzoeken. Angela:“Tijdens de onderzoeken naar Holloway en Tromp is geen enkele aanwijzing gevonden dat in de dam een stoffelijk overschot of iets anders belastend ligt.” De ochtendkrant meldt ook dat eindelijk bewezen is dat wat een Arubaanse getuige heeft verklaard, de waarheid blijkt te zijn. Deze getuige zou namelijk een leugendetectortest in de Verenigde Staten hebben ondergaan en daarvoor zijn geslaagd. Volgens de krant heeft de man verklaard dat hij in de nacht van 30 mei 2005, omstreeks vier uur, wakker werd door het geblaf van honden. Toen hij uit het raam keek, zag hij onder een lantaarnpaal een persoon die in de richting van zijn huis liep. Deze persoon kwam van de richting van het veld van voetbalclub Nacional (Noord), vlakbij de dam van Monserat. Volgens de getuige ging het om een blanke man, die één schoen droeg en natte met modder besmeurde kleren aan had. Diario schrijft dat deze getuige bang is om nadere details te verklaren omdat hij weet dat Paul van der Sloot, de vader van verdachte Joran, nog steeds goede connecties heeft met het OM. Toch zou nu door justitie in Nederland en FBI actie worden ondernomen nu de getuige de leugendetectortest heeft gehaald, aldus de krant, die in de berichtgeving wederom de capaciteiten van hoofdofficier Hans Mos betwijfeld. In een reactie zegt Angela dat het OM een vermoeden heeft wie deze getuige kan zijn. “Zeker weten we het niet omdat de identiteit van de getuige niet bekend is gemaakt. Het is in ieder geval niet zo dat de dam nu weer wordt onderzocht.” Het onderzoek naar de verdwenen Amerikaanse tiener is nog steeds gaande. Eind van dit jaar wordt het strafrechtelijk onderzoek afgesloten en beslist justitie of verdachte Joran van der Sloot wordt vervolgd of niet. Hmmmm. That is not true...they have known this witness for some time....hmmmmm... Uh oh...I see bells and whistles going off at OM....quick put all the info in the bottomless evidence drawer...hurry, hurry. LOL...Lala's....they didn't reach that drawer...*all*...the time....Des Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: JustMeT on September 11, 2008, 05:18:46 PM Well you gals obviously know more than I do... But I wont be holding my breath. That said I pray this sad situation is finally resolved.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 05:21:29 PM Photobucket is down for maintenance right now so I'll simply upload.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_46556.php Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 05:21:34 PM When Joran hide the body in the pond for a short time ,he must have moved the body within 2 or 3 weeks .
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 11, 2008, 05:41:25 PM Since evidence is now such an important topic, I want to throw out a few thoughts. We all know what ALE has done with the evidence in Natalee's case. It's gone, missing, just like the witness's original 2005 statement that Mos said he couldn't find the other day. Well, in the latest developments this year, it isn't just ALE. It was a Dutch Coast Guard ship that confiscated the contents of the lobster trap and took it to the Hague. The pond was drained and examined this Spring by 40-50 Dutch forensics specialists who had arrived at the airport with their own drug and cadaver dogs. If evidence is missing from either of these significant events, we need to start screaming at not just ALE. We love you dearly Johan, but perhaps we need to start pointing some fingers in the direction of the Queen as well as ALE.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 05:41:51 PM When Joran hide the body in the pond for a short time ,he must have moved the body within 2 or 3 weeks . I believe it was done within one week, or by June 6, 2005 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 11, 2008, 05:44:27 PM When Joran hide the body in the pond for a short time ,he must have moved the body within 2 or 3 weeks . I think it was just a few days, because Jalitzs Wever was buried on June 6th. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 11, 2008, 05:45:45 PM Most of us have always believed she was moved at least once and probably twice...or more.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 05:46:44 PM Since evidence is now such an important topic, I want to throw out a few thoughts. We all know what ALE has done with the evidence in Natalee's case. It's gone, missing, just like the witness's original 2005 statement that Mos said he couldn't find the other day. Well, in the latest developments this year, it isn't just ALE. It was a Dutch Coast Guard ship that confiscated the contents of the lobster trap and took it to the Hague. The pond was drained and examined this Spring by 40-50 Dutch forensics specialists who had arrived at the airport with their own drug and cadaver dogs. If evidence is missing from either of these significant events, we need to start screaming at not just ALE. We love you dearly Johan, but perhaps we need to start pointing some fingers in the direction of the Queen as well as ALE. OR --- maybe the KLPD is merely keeping ALE out of the loop and is in fact working with our FBI. (my leanings)Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ala_gunslinger on September 11, 2008, 05:51:19 PM Since evidence is now such an important topic, I want to throw out a few thoughts. We all know what ALE has done with the evidence in Natalee's case. It's gone, missing, just like the witness's original 2005 statement that Mos said he couldn't find the other day. Well, in the latest developments this year, it isn't just ALE. It was a Dutch Coast Guard ship that confiscated the contents of the lobster trap and took it to the Hague. The pond was drained and examined this Spring by 40-50 Dutch forensics specialists who had arrived at the airport with their own drug and cadaver dogs. If evidence is missing from either of these significant events, we need to start screaming at not just ALE. We love you dearly Johan, but perhaps we need to start pointing some fingers in the direction of the Queen as well as ALE. OR --- maybe the KLPD is merely keeping ALE out of the loop and is in fact working with our FBI. (my leanings)That would explain a few things that we are not currently seeing. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 05:51:57 PM Most of us have always believed she was moved at least once and probably twice...or more. Bifrons....everyone just keep laughing at my Shango references for now... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 11, 2008, 05:55:11 PM Most of us have always believed she was moved at least once and probably twice...or more. Bifrons....everyone just keep laughing at my Shango references for now... :smt021 ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 05:56:28 PM Since evidence is now such an important topic, I want to throw out a few thoughts. We all know what ALE has done with the evidence in Natalee's case. It's gone, missing, just like the witness's original 2005 statement that Mos said he couldn't find the other day. Well, in the latest developments this year, it isn't just ALE. It was a Dutch Coast Guard ship that confiscated the contents of the lobster trap and took it to the Hague. The pond was drained and examined this Spring by 40-50 Dutch forensics specialists who had arrived at the airport with their own drug and cadaver dogs. If evidence is missing from either of these significant events, we need to start screaming at not just ALE. We love you dearly Johan, but perhaps we need to start pointing some fingers in the direction of the Queen as well as ALE. OR --- maybe the KLPD is merely keeping ALE out of the loop and is in fact working with our FBI. (my leanings)That would explain a few things that we are not currently seeing. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 05:59:24 PM If someone has answered -- I missed it! WHO is spear-heading this latest effort? Who asked Tim to return to Aruba? Is OUR Government/FBI involved? I'm not sure WHO in the USA is involved. My personal opinion is none of this would be happening right now if it weren't for Capslockwizard. Caps has worked very closely with us for many months at his own great personal risk. He has provided incredible amounts of information. Many monkeys have spent hours verifying information. I know that many of us have been disappointed when ALE has sabotaged past efforts to find Natalee, but let's try to stay the course for now in the direction that Caps has led us. Right now, TES and Jossy are working with the information from Caps and the witness. This information involves the Matty Apts., the Monserat pond, and the Masonic Lodge cemetery. The information is currently being treated as valid and worthy of bringing the witness to Houston and TES returning to Aruba in the midst of the Orlando situation. Let's try not to confuse things or discount emerging possibilities until we know for sure. All of the many months of research, discussions, and details are in the Shango thread from about February. I guarantee that it is all a very interesting read that exposes the belly of Aruban corruption with names and events that will just make you want to scream. Some of what we have explored over the past three years is accurate and a lot has been incorrect information. Many new connections have been discovered. Please take some time to read through it. And please, let's show a strong support for Caps and the witness, for Natalee's sake. Sorry SS you might be right in so many ways...but...you *are* wrong in others....Des... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ala_gunslinger on September 11, 2008, 06:00:56 PM Since evidence is now such an important topic, I want to throw out a few thoughts. We all know what ALE has done with the evidence in Natalee's case. It's gone, missing, just like the witness's original 2005 statement that Mos said he couldn't find the other day. Well, in the latest developments this year, it isn't just ALE. It was a Dutch Coast Guard ship that confiscated the contents of the lobster trap and took it to the Hague. The pond was drained and examined this Spring by 40-50 Dutch forensics specialists who had arrived at the airport with their own drug and cadaver dogs. If evidence is missing from either of these significant events, we need to start screaming at not just ALE. We love you dearly Johan, but perhaps we need to start pointing some fingers in the direction of the Queen as well as ALE. OR --- maybe the KLPD is merely keeping ALE out of the loop and is in fact working with our FBI. (my leanings)That would explain a few things that we are not currently seeing. You're right. There are too many pieces of this puzzle coming together and making sense now. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 11, 2008, 06:03:20 PM posted today by Elaine S at RU:
I was talking about what he told Patrick, and I do know there's another little interview that was done in July that hasn't as yet hit the airwaves, but with TES going to Aruba once again, and this case once again surfacing, I have a feeling the newest interview will be shown at some point. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 06:05:51 PM Since evidence is now such an important topic, I want to throw out a few thoughts. We all know what ALE has done with the evidence in Natalee's case. It's gone, missing, just like the witness's original 2005 statement that Mos said he couldn't find the other day. Well, in the latest developments this year, it isn't just ALE. It was a Dutch Coast Guard ship that confiscated the contents of the lobster trap and took it to the Hague. The pond was drained and examined this Spring by 40-50 Dutch forensics specialists who had arrived at the airport with their own drug and cadaver dogs. If evidence is missing from either of these significant events, we need to start screaming at not just ALE. We love you dearly Johan, but perhaps we need to start pointing some fingers in the direction of the Queen as well as ALE. OR --- maybe the KLPD is merely keeping ALE out of the loop and is in fact working with our FBI. (my leanings)That would explain a few things that we are not currently seeing. You're right. There are too many pieces of this puzzle coming together and making sense now. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 06:11:46 PM Since evidence is now such an important topic, I want to throw out a few thoughts. We all know what ALE has done with the evidence in Natalee's case. It's gone, missing, just like the witness's original 2005 statement that Mos said he couldn't find the other day. Well, in the latest developments this year, it isn't just ALE. It was a Dutch Coast Guard ship that confiscated the contents of the lobster trap and took it to the Hague. The pond was drained and examined this Spring by 40-50 Dutch forensics specialists who had arrived at the airport with their own drug and cadaver dogs. If evidence is missing from either of these significant events, we need to start screaming at not just ALE. We love you dearly Johan, but perhaps we need to start pointing some fingers in the direction of the Queen as well as ALE. huh our queen ? she has no grip on the government she is only a symbol I think also that not only the aruban governement is corrupt but Hirsch Ballin ect also Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 11, 2008, 06:14:57 PM If someone has answered -- I missed it! WHO is spear-heading this latest effort? Who asked Tim to return to Aruba? Is OUR Government/FBI involved? I'm not sure WHO in the USA is involved. My personal opinion is none of this would be happening right now if it weren't for Capslockwizard. Caps has worked very closely with us for many months at his own great personal risk. He has provided incredible amounts of information. Many monkeys have spent hours verifying information. I know that many of us have been disappointed when ALE has sabotaged past efforts to find Natalee, but let's try to stay the course for now in the direction that Caps has led us. Right now, TES and Jossy are working with the information from Caps and the witness. This information involves the Matty Apts., the Monserat pond, and the Masonic Lodge cemetery. The information is currently being treated as valid and worthy of bringing the witness to Houston and TES returning to Aruba in the midst of the Orlando situation. Let's try not to confuse things or discount emerging possibilities until we know for sure. All of the many months of research, discussions, and details are in the Shango thread from about February. I guarantee that it is all a very interesting read that exposes the belly of Aruban corruption with names and events that will just make you want to scream. Some of what we have explored over the past three years is accurate and a lot has been incorrect information. Many new connections have been discovered. Please take some time to read through it. And please, let's show a strong support for Caps and the witness, for Natalee's sake. Sorry SS you might be right in so many ways...but...you *are* wrong in others....Des... ??? ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 06:18:00 PM Paul vd Sloot worked as landsadvocaat (lawyer for the country)
So in that function, you know all the secrets of a country perhaps they are afraid that he will talk about Secret Affairs Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 06:22:33 PM Paul vd Sloot worked as landsadvocaat (lawyer for the country) Then, perhaps they should "off" him.So in that function, you know all the secrets of a country perhaps they are afraid that he will talk about Secret Affairs Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 06:24:22 PM (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/PONDcopy.jpg?t=1221171811)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: LilPuma on September 11, 2008, 06:24:55 PM Since evidence is now such an important topic, I want to throw out a few thoughts. We all know what ALE has done with the evidence in Natalee's case. It's gone, missing, just like the witness's original 2005 statement that Mos said he couldn't find the other day. Well, in the latest developments this year, it isn't just ALE. It was a Dutch Coast Guard ship that confiscated the contents of the lobster trap and took it to the Hague. The pond was drained and examined this Spring by 40-50 Dutch forensics specialists who had arrived at the airport with their own drug and cadaver dogs. If evidence is missing from either of these significant events, we need to start screaming at not just ALE. We love you dearly Johan, but perhaps we need to start pointing some fingers in the direction of the Queen as well as ALE. OR --- maybe the KLPD is merely keeping ALE out of the loop and is in fact working with our FBI. (my leanings)I hope you're right, Wreck. Thanks to our Dutch posters we know that at least some in the Netherlands are upset about and looking at the shady goings on in some of the Dutch islands. So I think this is very possible. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 11, 2008, 06:25:31 PM May 2007 The team of the KLPD knows that Joran Sloot from the Netherlands had plans to visit his parents for a week on Aruba . Under the guise of an investigation into the house (housesearch) (the couple Van der Sloot was away at that time ) spymicrophones were installed in the house by specialists of the Service Specialist Forensic Applications from Driebergen . But unfortunately, Joran did not come to Aruba and the people of the KLPD caught nothing. Later, a similar operation carried out by the Kalpoe brothers, but also no result Someone please tell me that the Kalpoes are not off the hook in this? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 11, 2008, 06:30:50 PM (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/PONDcopy.jpg?t=1221171811) Johan - when Caps posted his pictures of the pond last Spring, there appeared to be some kind of a path to the pond that was behind the Chinese restaurant. I think your purple path is probably the one. I think that pictures have since vanished, but there might be a few still left in Shango. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 11, 2008, 06:41:54 PM Paul vd Sloot worked as landsadvocaat (lawyer for the country) Then, perhaps they should "off" him.So in that function, you know all the secrets of a country perhaps they are afraid that he will talk about Secret Affairs Not before they hang him and his good-for-nothing son. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blonde on September 11, 2008, 06:52:45 PM Klaas get realy buzy so why don't you guys post an email just for Scared Monkeys in your signature like I did so posters can email you.
just a thought ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 11, 2008, 07:06:15 PM FBI? So they are involved?? That has not been confirmed at this time. So true Lala's...but...FBI...not the only Big Guns who are involed...Des I hope you are right here Des, because it's going to take someone bigger than and not associated with the current governemnet to get them off their duffs. Nico Jorge summed it up effective when he said the island is so political intertwined that they cannot prosecute anything bigger than street crime. I believe Hans Mos had been there for quite a while by the time Nico made that remark and he didn't make an effort to exclude him. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 11, 2008, 07:11:18 PM Maybe they are questionind whether or not Mos will act on this information. He didn't act on it when he obtained it the first time...and now they wait to see if he will allow Tim to check out the pond again or maybe even those crypts. OR they could be questioning his manhood. :smt102 IIRC Lalas, Hans Mos was pissed off when they searched the pond. He has also been hostile to this witness according to Jossy. Who's side is Hans Mos on? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 11, 2008, 07:17:31 PM Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!! ::MonkeyRoll:: Wreck...it WON'T work this time.....Des ;-) [/quote] If true that is an indictment of Hans. He has had access to this witness for months. If the witness was so intimidated that he wouldn't tell everything to Hans what does that say about his ability to question and protect a witness? If he intimidated the witness that says that he is corrupt. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 07:24:59 PM Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!! ::MonkeyRoll:: Wreck...it WON'T work this time.....Des ;-) If true that is an indictment of Hans. He has had access to this witness for months. If the witness was so intimidated that he wouldn't tell everything to Hans what does that say about his ability to question and protect a witness? If he intimidated the witness that says that he is corrupt. [/quote] Yep...*new* big ball players in *this* round of the game....really BIG.... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 07:26:31 PM this is a chat log between 2 friends
[thoms hang in there Joran says:] is a boy from aruba and a friend of Joran jij kent die gozer wel neem ik aan? do you know the guy ? Yes and en wat dacht je vab joran zn pa and Joran's dad -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: thoms hang in there Joran says: ja idd > yes indeed thoms hang in there Joran says: die ook > he also -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: die mag zich sowieso wel heel stil houden nu ook al - he (pvds) must be very quiet and they talk about -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: 17 man... t zou wel bizar zijn > 17 men that should be bizar Johan555:But i don't know what they mean with that 17 men i am not sure if this is a real chatlog but i found it on fok heiden6 ( she is from aruba) post it Spreek net even een vriend van me, die kent die Joran dus. -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: hey dude thoms hang in there Joran says: yo man thoms hang in there Joran says: hoe is t -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: goed goed, met jou? ik zie dat je ook al up to date bent met die hele situatie thoms hang in there Joran says: ja -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: jij kent die gozer wel neem ik aan? thoms hang in there Joran says: ja thoms hang in there Joran says: ik geloof er geen ruk van dat hij dit heeft geflikt -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: nah ik weet echt niet wat ik ervan moet denken -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: ik dacht eik dat het een beetje een kneus was -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: niet dan? thoms hang in there Joran says: ja best wel thoms hang in there Joran says: hij deed altijd wel stoer enzo, maar ik heb nou nooit zo iets gehad van oh wat is die joran fout bezig thoms hang in there Joran says: dit zijn eigenlijk de latest updates thoms hang in there Joran says: pero nada no ta official ainda..the police didnt deny or confirm anything yet...but yea they didnt dig up a body so that was obviously bullshit...and now people are changing their story saying one of the suspects admitted that somethin bad happened, while yesterday they said that he admitted to killing her. besides the police said they're still working with 5 suspects -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: wie zegt dat? -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: wat je net typt thoms hang in there Joran says: ja ik -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: ah okee -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: nee zover was ik ook al ongeveer, hier krijgt het weinig aandacht maar op internet krijg je redelijkw at mee -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: ken je die twee surinamers ook of niet thoms hang in there Joran says: eentje van gezicht -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: ja same here -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: heb je niemand van die familie ofzo gesproken verder? thoms hang in there Joran says: ja mn moeder wel veel -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: en? thoms hang in there Joran says: ja die is natuurlijk kapot...ik bedoel je 'zoontje' wordt op tv overal afgemaakt en besproken als de 'man' die een meisje vermoord heeft...z'n vader mag hem niet zien omdat hij voor justitie werkt...het schijnt dat joran zelf toen hij opgepakt werd vrij kalm bleef, hij had toch zo iets van ja ik niets gedaan dus ok...maargoed -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: nou ja eerlijk gezegd lijkt me dat wel een goed teken -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: maar ja ze kan ook gewoon zoals ze zeggen uit de auto zijn gestapt -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: en dan omgepleurd of iemand tegengekomen... thoms hang in there Joran says: ja precies...ze zijn bij lighthouse geweest he...ik bedoel stel dat er daar iets is gebeurd..gewoon een dodelijk ongeluk en dat die gasten daarna zijn gefreakt -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: dat is op zich wel dom dan, maar goed hij zal ook wel dom zijn denk ik -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: het zal je maar gebeuren thoms hang in there Joran says: ja tuurlijk is het dom...maar ik snap wel dat je freakt hoor -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: zelfs al hebben ze niets gedaan, kunnen ze nog steeds veel problemen hiermee krijgen -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: en wat dacht je vab joran zn pa -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: thoms hang in there Joran says: ja idd thoms hang in there Joran says: die ook -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: die mag zich sowieso wel heel stil houden nu ook al -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: 17 man... t zou wel bizar zijn thoms hang in there Joran says: ja idd -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: miss hebben ze dr wel gewoon teveel drnak gegeven -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: OD -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: en dan flippen zoals je zegt -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: lijkt mij wel waarschijnlijker -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: maar ik moet weer eens gaan man thoms hang in there Joran says: ja mij ook -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: lekker avondje feesten nog. ben benieuwd hoe het loopt, spreek je nog wel thoms hang in there Joran says: ok is goed thoms hang in there Joran says: veel plezier thoms hang in there Joran says: mazzel -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: later Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: WhiskeyGirl on September 11, 2008, 07:29:12 PM Since evidence is now such an important topic, I want to throw out a few thoughts. We all know what ALE has done with the evidence in Natalee's case. It's gone, missing, just like the witness's original 2005 statement that Mos said he couldn't find the other day. Well, in the latest developments this year, it isn't just ALE. It was a Dutch Coast Guard ship that confiscated the contents of the lobster trap and took it to the Hague. The pond was drained and examined this Spring by 40-50 Dutch forensics specialists who had arrived at the airport with their own drug and cadaver dogs. If evidence is missing from either of these significant events, we need to start screaming at not just ALE. We love you dearly Johan, but perhaps we need to start pointing some fingers in the direction of the Queen as well as ALE. huh our queen ? she has no grip on the government she is only a symbol I think also that not only the aruban governement is corrupt but Hirsch Ballin ect also I've often suggested that Anita looks like the Queen. The Queen may not have the powers of ancient monarchs, but I do believe she had wealth, and some political power. Doesn't she appoint many people? Approve appointments suggested by others? There is a poster named Deetch, who hasn't posted in some time, that has a web site. He commented a few times that his web site was getting a lot of hits from the Hague, early in the case (2005, 2006). I believe this case was of interest to a number of people in the Hague, long before it became popular among the general population of the Netherlands. Is it possible that Anita is related to the Queen? The House of Orange? Another royal family? Other noble families? Does the Dutch Royal family maintain lists of relatives? Perhaps a name registry? Is there a "whos who" for the Dutch Royalty? I also have the same wonderings about the families of Guido, GVC, Koen, and some others. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: echosofangels on September 11, 2008, 07:29:51 PM Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!! ::MonkeyRoll:: Wreck...it WON'T work this time.....Des ;-) If true that is an indictment of Hans. He has had access to this witness for months. If the witness was so intimidated that he wouldn't tell everything to Hans what does that say about his ability to question and protect a witness? If he intimidated the witness that says that he is corrupt. Yep...*new* big ball players in *this* round of the game....really BIG.... [/quote] Very Interesting, Destiny................All hands to heaven Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 07:31:17 PM posted on zaterdag 11 juni 2005 @ 20:24 on FOK
this is a chat log between 2 friends [thoms hang in there Joran says:] is a boy from aruba and a friend of Joran jij kent die gozer wel neem ik aan? do you know the guy ? Yes and en wat dacht je vab joran zn pa and Joran's dad -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: thoms hang in there Joran says: ja idd > yes indeed thoms hang in there Joran says: die ook > he also -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: die mag zich sowieso wel heel stil houden nu ook al - he (pvds) must be very quiet and they talk about -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: 17 man... t zou wel bizar zijn > 17 men that should be bizar Johan555:But i don't know what they mean with that 17 men i am not sure if this is a real chatlog but i found it on fok heiden6 ( she is from aruba) post it Spreek net even een vriend van me, die kent die Joran dus. -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: hey dude thoms hang in there Joran says: yo man thoms hang in there Joran says: hoe is t -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: goed goed, met jou? ik zie dat je ook al up to date bent met die hele situatie thoms hang in there Joran says: ja -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: jij kent die gozer wel neem ik aan? thoms hang in there Joran says: ja thoms hang in there Joran says: ik geloof er geen ruk van dat hij dit heeft geflikt -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: nah ik weet echt niet wat ik ervan moet denken -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: ik dacht eik dat het een beetje een kneus was -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: niet dan? thoms hang in there Joran says: ja best wel thoms hang in there Joran says: hij deed altijd wel stoer enzo, maar ik heb nou nooit zo iets gehad van oh wat is die joran fout bezig thoms hang in there Joran says: dit zijn eigenlijk de latest updates thoms hang in there Joran says: pero nada no ta official ainda..the police didnt deny or confirm anything yet...but yea they didnt dig up a body so that was obviously bullshit...and now people are changing their story saying one of the suspects admitted that somethin bad happened, while yesterday they said that he admitted to killing her. besides the police said they're still working with 5 suspects -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: wie zegt dat? -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: wat je net typt thoms hang in there Joran says: ja ik -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: ah okee -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: nee zover was ik ook al ongeveer, hier krijgt het weinig aandacht maar op internet krijg je redelijkw at mee -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: ken je die twee surinamers ook of niet thoms hang in there Joran says: eentje van gezicht -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: ja same here -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: heb je niemand van die familie ofzo gesproken verder? thoms hang in there Joran says: ja mn moeder wel veel -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: en? thoms hang in there Joran says: ja die is natuurlijk kapot...ik bedoel je 'zoontje' wordt op tv overal afgemaakt en besproken als de 'man' die een meisje vermoord heeft...z'n vader mag hem niet zien omdat hij voor justitie werkt...het schijnt dat joran zelf toen hij opgepakt werd vrij kalm bleef, hij had toch zo iets van ja ik niets gedaan dus ok...maargoed -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: nou ja eerlijk gezegd lijkt me dat wel een goed teken -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: maar ja ze kan ook gewoon zoals ze zeggen uit de auto zijn gestapt -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: en dan omgepleurd of iemand tegengekomen... thoms hang in there Joran says: ja precies...ze zijn bij lighthouse geweest he...ik bedoel stel dat er daar iets is gebeurd..gewoon een dodelijk ongeluk en dat die gasten daarna zijn gefreakt -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: dat is op zich wel dom dan, maar goed hij zal ook wel dom zijn denk ik -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: het zal je maar gebeuren thoms hang in there Joran says: ja tuurlijk is het dom...maar ik snap wel dat je freakt hoor -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: zelfs al hebben ze niets gedaan, kunnen ze nog steeds veel problemen hiermee krijgen -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: en wat dacht je vab joran zn pa -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: thoms hang in there Joran says: ja idd thoms hang in there Joran says: die ook -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: die mag zich sowieso wel heel stil houden nu ook al -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: 17 man... t zou wel bizar zijn thoms hang in there Joran says: ja idd -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: miss hebben ze dr wel gewoon teveel drnak gegeven -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: OD -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: en dan flippen zoals je zegt -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: lijkt mij wel waarschijnlijker -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: maar ik moet weer eens gaan man thoms hang in there Joran says: ja mij ook -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: lekker avondje feesten nog. ben benieuwd hoe het loopt, spreek je nog wel thoms hang in there Joran says: ok is goed thoms hang in there Joran says: veel plezier thoms hang in there Joran says: mazzel -deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says: later Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 11, 2008, 07:37:51 PM Since evidence is now such an important topic, I want to throw out a few thoughts. We all know what ALE has done with the evidence in Natalee's case. It's gone, missing, just like the witness's original 2005 statement that Mos said he couldn't find the other day. Well, in the latest developments this year, it isn't just ALE. It was a Dutch Coast Guard ship that confiscated the contents of the lobster trap and took it to the Hague. The pond was drained and examined this Spring by 40-50 Dutch forensics specialists who had arrived at the airport with their own drug and cadaver dogs. If evidence is missing from either of these significant events, we need to start screaming at not just ALE. We love you dearly Johan, but perhaps we need to start pointing some fingers in the direction of the Queen as well as ALE. huh our queen ? she has no grip on the government she is only a symbol I think also that not only the aruban governement is corrupt but Hirsch Ballin ect also I've often suggested that Anita looks like the Queen. The Queen may not have the powers of ancient monarchs, but I do believe she had wealth, and some political power. Doesn't she appoint many people? Approve appointments suggested by others? There is a poster named Deetch, who hasn't posted in some time, that has a web site. He commented a few times that his web site was getting a lot of hits from the Hague, early in the case (2005, 2006). I believe this case was of interest to a number of people in the Hague, long before it became popular among the general population of the Netherlands. Is it possible that Anita is related to the Queen? The House of Orange? Another royal family? Other noble families? Does the Dutch Royal family maintain lists of relatives? Perhaps a name registry? Is there a "whos who" for the Dutch Royalty? I also have the same wonderings about the families of Guido, GVC, Koen, and some others. I don't know if we ever found any information about Anita's background. We did find some interesting stuff about the Sloots, though. The original sloot had a very interesting birth. His mother was in labor while visiting a neighbor. She left the neighbor's home, had the baby, and abandoned him in a ditch. He was found and raised by another neighbor. I was referring to "the queen" figuratively. I guess that I should have said the Netherlands. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: WhiskeyGirl on September 11, 2008, 07:39:57 PM Most of us have always believed she was moved at least once and probably twice...or more. Bifrons....everyone just keep laughing at my Shango references for now... Bifrons has always lingered in my memory. I think 'Bifrons' posted at RWV, RU, and other places. A lot of people wanting the global village to forget about Natalee and others. Bifrons could refer to more than one person, maybe a group effort. IMHO, there is a leader to all of this. Someone who decided that Natalee was disposable. I think the plan was changed along the way, and the body was moved a number of time. ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 11, 2008, 07:54:11 PM [/quote] I've often suggested that Anita looks like the Queen. The Queen may not have the powers of ancient monarchs, but I do believe she had wealth, and some political power. she has no political power at all Doesn't she appoint many people? Approve appointments suggested by others? There is a poster named Deetch, who hasn't posted in some time, that has a web site. He commented a few times that his web site was getting a lot of hits from the Hague, early in the case (2005, 2006). I believe this case was of interest to a number of people in the Hague, long before it became popular among the general population of the Netherlands. Is it possible that Anita is related to the Queen? No i don't think so The House of Orange? Another royal family? Other noble families? Does the Dutch Royal family maintain lists of relatives? Perhaps a name registry? Is there a "whos who" for the Dutch Royalty? I also have the same wonderings about the families of Guido, GVC, Koen, and some others. [/quote] we have never heard of them here in holland before 2005 I have the idea that they( in Boxtel & Arnhem ) were happy when they moved to Aruba ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 11, 2008, 07:55:03 PM Maybe they are questionind whether or not Mos will act on this information. He didn't act on it when he obtained it the first time...and now they wait to see if he will allow Tim to check out the pond again or maybe even those crypts. OR they could be questioning his manhood. :smt102 IIRC Lalas, Hans Mos was pissed off when they searched the pond. He has also been hostile to this witness according to Jossy. Who's side is Hans Mos on? Your observations are well founded. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: memphis on September 11, 2008, 07:57:31 PM WhiskeyGirl,
I do see what you mean. There is a resemblance. ::MonkeyEek:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 11, 2008, 08:03:02 PM Maybe they are questionind whether or not Mos will act on this information. He didn't act on it when he obtained it the first time...and now they wait to see if he will allow Tim to check out the pond again or maybe even those crypts. OR they could be questioning his manhood. :smt102 IIRC Lalas, Hans Mos was pissed off when they searched the pond. He has also been hostile to this witness according to Jossy. Who's side is Hans Mos on? Your observations are well founded. Do we have any new information today about TES, Caps, or Diario? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 11, 2008, 08:13:21 PM Rob, where are you?
I think it was Rob who mentioned that Thailand doesn't have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Netherlands. I guess this means that if something does break in Aruba, they won't be able to arrest Urine???? Is he in Thailand on a student visa? Could Thailand revoke the student visa? Rob, do you know more about this extradition stuff? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Pita on September 11, 2008, 08:34:00 PM Maybe they are questionind whether or not Mos will act on this information. He didn't act on it when he obtained it the first time...and now they wait to see if he will allow Tim to check out the pond again or maybe even those crypts. OR they could be questioning his manhood. :smt102 IIRC Lalas, Hans Mos was pissed off when they searched the pond. He has also been hostile to this witness according to Jossy. Who's side is Hans Mos on? Sloots Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 11, 2008, 08:41:55 PM The Extradition Act of 1929 allows for extradition of criminals in absence of a treaty onthe subject. Under the Act, the Royal Thai Government may at its discretion surrender to foreign States persons accused or convicted of crimes committed within the jurisdiction of such States,—provided that under the laws of Thailand the crimes are punishable with imprisonment for noless than one year.“ Historically, Thailand has extradited persons to countries with whichThailand does not have an extradition treaty on the basis of reciprocity http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:XtmulCQWKyQJ:www.interpol.int/Public/BioTerrorism/NationalLaws/Thailand.pdf+thailand+extradition+treaty&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 08:55:23 PM Rob, where are you? I think it was Rob who mentioned that Thailand doesn't have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Netherlands. I guess this means that if something does break in Aruba, they won't be able to arrest Urine???? Is he in Thailand on a student visa? Could Thailand revoke the student visa? Rob, do you know more about this extradition stuff? someone posted that, and I remembered it - and then it seems caesu corrected it. There is a Dutch Consulate in Los Angeles - I will call them tomorrow and see what they say. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 11, 2008, 09:23:14 PM Rob, where are you? I think it was Rob who mentioned that Thailand doesn't have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Netherlands. I guess this means that if something does break in Aruba, they won't be able to arrest Urine???? Is he in Thailand on a student visa? Could Thailand revoke the student visa? Rob, do you know more about this extradition stuff? someone posted that, and I remembered it - and then it seems caesu corrected it. There is a Dutch Consulate in Los Angeles - I will call them tomorrow and see what they say. Rob - I posted this on the previous thread. It sounds like they don't have treaties, and it's a matter of reciprocity. Reciprocity isn't a guarantee. The Extradition Act of 1929 allows for extradition of criminals in absence of a treaty onthe subject. Under the Act, the Royal Thai Government may at its discretion surrender to foreign States persons accused or convicted of crimes committed within the jurisdiction of such States,—provided that under the laws of Thailand the crimes are punishable with imprisonment for noless than one year.“ Historically, Thailand has extradited persons to countries with whichThailand does not have an extradition treaty on the basis of reciprocity Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 11, 2008, 09:26:42 PM I believe the Netherlands does have an extradition treaty with Thailand.
Posted by caesu in June 2008: in 2004 a extradition treaty was signed with Thailand. came into force april 1st 2005. precondition was that first 8 years of the sentence were passed in Thailand. http://www.minbuza.nl/nl/actueel/persberichten,2004/08/wots_verdrag_tussen_nederland_en_thailand_getekend.html Machiel Kuijt was extradited in march 2007. and immediately freed over here. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2898.msg388602#msg388602 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2008, 09:42:30 PM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: San on September 11, 2008, 09:46:58 PM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road Thank you texasmom for bringing that over. I am a firm believer in never say never and I believe Natalee will be found. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 09:52:08 PM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road Thank you texasmom for bringing that over. I am a firm believer in never say never and I believe Natalee will be found. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 09:56:04 PM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road MOS probably wouldn't allow him to search Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: echosofangels on September 11, 2008, 10:00:59 PM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road Thank you texasmom for bringing that over. I am a firm believer in never say never and I believe Natalee will be found. what do you mean wreck? I try my best to stay positive and keep the faith. But, I have to admit....This makes it REALLY Tough. ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: AnnieMW1 on September 11, 2008, 10:01:55 PM Hello Monkeys - Can someone give me a quick update? Remember 9-11...always.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 10:03:31 PM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road Thank you texasmom for bringing that over. I am a firm believer in never say never and I believe Natalee will be found. what do you mean wreck? I try my best to stay positive and keep the faith. But, I have to admit....This makes it REALLY Tough. ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2008, 10:09:50 PM Hello Monkeys - Can someone give me a quick update? Remember 9-11...always. Hi Annie - read the front page of SM. We were told though that Tim Miller is on his way back home from Aruba already though...just heard that a couple minutes ago. http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Poochy on September 11, 2008, 10:11:43 PM SS if anyone does it's Klaas, but hopefully she's still asleep ! dutchlady was the first poster to relate a theory regarding a crypt and that was in the end of summer/early fall just months post Natalee's disappearance. I think we all assumed it would be in the graveyard around the corner from Paulus' home, I believe St Anne's? I'd have to look back at my notes from dutchlady and Hammer to be sure..... I actually never heard of a Masonic cemetary......... Caps, godspeed and be safe. Hi there! Do you still have any of that info? It would be great if we could repost it in here. Thanks! Just home and haven't read to end of thread. Not the crypt, but I remember the dogs and matchsticks. The dogs woke the witness?? Dutchlady June 2005: ....Today, I asked spirit guide for help, and like previous cases the message was the song with a vision. ‘Matchstick and matchstick cats and dogs, on the street … with the marching clogs’ This without any prompting was repetitive with an image of like straw or hay, as in pickup sticks as a bundle covering the thing they wanted me to see. My spirit guide is strangely Anita 'Conswala' ( it is how they give it to me as sound) who has not come in before. The place where Natalee is will be found by the Texan dog’s. The bundle of sticks is near WATER, that pond?, no it is near the house. A bin is in the scene, it is red.... http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1518.msg229651#msg229651 I'll put together some things (minus personal info) and post here. I recall she explained to me in an email what she thought the 'matchsticks and clogs' meant. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Pita on September 11, 2008, 10:12:02 PM Posted by angelalala, BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Klaas, you can remove my post. I didn't realize it was already posted. Thank you! I did remove it but I'll leave this...it doesn't really matter Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2008, 10:13:47 PM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road Thank you texasmom for bringing that over. I am a firm believer in never say never and I believe Natalee will be found. what do you mean wreck? I try my best to stay positive and keep the faith. But, I have to admit....This makes it REALLY Tough. ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Magnolia on September 11, 2008, 10:19:09 PM I am still hopeful!
Maybe.... Tim went to Aruba to hand deliver the results of the lie detector test to Mos and ask for permission to search. As far as we know Tim went alone. Maybe a crew is coming with equipment to search if permission was granted. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 11, 2008, 10:21:25 PM I take it this is a game of chess? One move at a time and hopefully in the end Natalee and her family can call check mate. God bless them all. It has been too long and the disappointments keep coming. I pray that BIG, BIG people are involved and watching who in Aruba are covering this up and why.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 10:30:34 PM I am still hopeful! Maybe.... Tim went to Aruba to hand deliver the results of the lie detector test to Mos and ask for permission to search. As far as we know Tim went alone. Maybe a crew is coming with equipment to search if permission was granted. so much for the goodwill of trying to find Mr. Tromp. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: echosofangels on September 11, 2008, 10:32:17 PM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road Thank you texasmom for bringing that over. I am a firm believer in never say never and I believe Natalee will be found. what do you mean wreck? I try my best to stay positive and keep the faith. But, I have to admit....This makes it REALLY Tough. ::MonkeyWaa:: Thank You, Wreck. I'll Be Praying!!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2008, 10:37:39 PM I am still hopeful! Maybe.... Tim went to Aruba to hand deliver the results of the lie detector test to Mos and ask for permission to search. As far as we know Tim went alone. Maybe a crew is coming with equipment to search if permission was granted. Hi Magnolia! I'm still hopeful too! I think your "maybe" is a good possibility! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 11, 2008, 10:38:33 PM I am still hopeful! Maybe.... Tim went to Aruba to hand deliver the results of the lie detector test to Mos and ask for permission to search. As far as we know Tim went alone. Maybe a crew is coming with equipment to search if permission was granted. Hi Magnolia! I'm still hopeful too! I think your "maybe" is a good possibility! ::MonkeyCool:: I'm still hopeful also. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 10:38:42 PM I sitting here watching the 9-11 special on the History Channel. It brings a lot of things back into perspective from 7 years ago. Never forget what is really important to you.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 11, 2008, 10:44:39 PM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road Thank you texasmom for bringing that over. I am a firm believer in never say never and I believe Natalee will be found. I agree....I just wish resolution would hasten! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 11, 2008, 10:46:18 PM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road MOS probably wouldn't allow him to search I was such a dope-I had such high hopes when he first came on the scene. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: LoRain on September 11, 2008, 10:51:18 PM I still can't believe that permission even has to be asked!!!...let alone turned down... ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: echosofangels on September 11, 2008, 10:54:53 PM I still can't believe that permission even has to be asked!!!...let alone turned down... ::MonkeyNoNo:: Unbelievable, huh? LoRain?? ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: LoRain on September 11, 2008, 10:55:26 PM VERY!!!!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 11, 2008, 10:55:37 PM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road MOS probably wouldn't allow him to search I was such a dope-I had such high hopes when he first came on the scene. You're not a dope, Ono. We all have hope. That Tim is coming back does not surprise me because he is dealing with the same regime who has blocked this investigation for 3 1/2 years. Hans Mos is basically Karin Jannsen with a pecker. Hope that there are higher powers at work than what is running that shoddy island. That is what will bring results. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 11, 2008, 10:58:22 PM I am still hopeful! Maybe.... Tim went to Aruba to hand deliver the results of the lie detector test to Mos and ask for permission to search. As far as we know Tim went alone. Maybe a crew is coming with equipment to search if permission was granted. Hi Magnolia! I'm still hopeful too! I think your "maybe" is a good possibility! ::MonkeyCool:: I'm still hopeful also. We'll never give up Bruddah!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 11:00:08 PM Like I mentioned above, this whole sickening affair is much larger to me than the unspeakable affront to Natalee and her family. Aruba has spit on the United States and all that is morally right in the world. Watching the 9-11 special fills me with so much emotion. I guess it reminds me of why we have been here for 3+ years and why we will STILL be here until we resolve this. Don't F with us -- we are not going to take it.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 11, 2008, 11:04:51 PM Good job Wreck!!!!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 11, 2008, 11:06:23 PM Like I mentioned above, this whole sickening affair is much larger to me than the unspeakable affront to Natalee and her family. Aruba has spit on the United States and all that is morally right in the world. Watching the 9-11 special fills me with so much emotion. I guess it reminds me of why we have been here for 3+ years and why we will STILL be here until we resolve this. Don't F with us -- we are not going to take it. They have paid a heavy price for spitting in our face Wreck, and will be paying for years to come. The damage they have done to themselves is not repaired in years, but in decades. St. Croix has never recovered and their "problem" had nowhere near the awareness as Natalee's case. They can keep trying to put band-aids on their economy but those don't go very far when when you've had both legs cut off. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 11, 2008, 11:18:19 PM Wreck, are you still here? Can you say if that is the case, that Tim just went to deliver the polygraphs and someone else will come search, and that the Gov.. will be behind him this time???
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 11, 2008, 11:23:29 PM Wreck, are you still here? Can you say if that is the case, that Tim just went to deliver the polygraphs and someone else will come search, and that the Gov.. will be behind him this time??? That is what I THINK is going on -- your friend Des is a little more "wired in"!Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 11, 2008, 11:24:39 PM Thanks Wreck!!!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 11, 2008, 11:42:17 PM FBI? So they are involved?? That has not been confirmed at this time. So true Lala's...but...FBI...not the only Big Guns who are involed...Des I hope you are right here Des, because it's going to take someone bigger than and not associated with the current governemnet to get them off their duffs. Nico Jorge summed it up effective when he said the island is so political intertwined that they cannot prosecute anything bigger than street crime. I believe Hans Mos had been there for quite a while by the time Nico made that remark and he didn't make an effort to exclude him. Day....You are right on target....Des Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 12, 2008, 12:05:21 AM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road MOS probably wouldn't allow him to search I was such a dope-I had such high hopes when he first came on the scene. Don't feel bad Sweetie...we all did...we know better now...Des Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2008, 12:28:22 AM Like I mentioned above, this whole sickening affair is much larger to me than the unspeakable affront to Natalee and her family. Aruba has spit on the United States and all that is morally right in the world. Watching the 9-11 special fills me with so much emotion. I guess it reminds me of why we have been here for 3+ years and why we will STILL be here until we resolve this. Don't F with us -- we are not going to take it. I agree 100% Wreck! Very well said! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: cajun miracle on September 12, 2008, 12:54:33 AM Destiny, I tried to phone you last night and left you a message. THIS is great news and I pray that we can bring her home. God Bless all of you for all of your hard work. Carpe, You stay safe now.
Cajun Miracle Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 12, 2008, 03:59:31 AM About that evening in C&C
Joran was in C&C and Deepak & Satish also ? I have read somewhere that they waited outside The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car. Joran told often to tourists that he was not from Aruba but also on holiday I have the idea that joran told Natalee that he will take a taxi and will bring her home And that Natalee believed that she was In a taxi Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.) June 14-2005 "NATALEE WAS NOT THE GIRL WHO WAS SICK IN THE BATHROOM AT C&C's! My daughter had already told me she was puzzled by that story 'cause she neither saw nor heard anything of the kind regarding Natalee. We were at the vigil yesterday and they were discussing that... It turned out to be other girls on the trip. Somebody had mentioned that at church and these girls went, "Oh no! That was US!" It was definitely not Natalee. My daughter spoke with Natalee right after C&C's closed. My daughter & her friends came across Nat & Joran as all were exiting the club, and all were walking more or less together toward another group of classmates. Natalee was walking unassisted (not falling down drunk), spoke ok (though not answering in long sentences), and was not touching Joran. My daughter only noticed that Joran was tall, dark-haired, American-looking; he did not speak and she couldn't read his facial expressions. Nat turned down my daughter's invitation to go with her little group. (Ironically, they were about to circle the inside of another club to make sure no others were left behind.) Nat assured them that she was fine, and said she was going to go back to the hotel "with THEM," pointing to the MBHS group just a few yards ahead. The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car. Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.) It may be that the Kalpoes pulled up on the street before Natalee reached the next group; Joran may have deliberately stalled her. The group may not have even realized she was behind them, approaching. But while we hear that she got in the car willingly, we know from her comments that it was not her pre-planned intention. Because of this, I do not believe she knew she would be going anywhere but a fairly short distance down to the hotel. Her plans changed in the blink of an eye, and she was gone." Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 07:35:25 AM I believe the Netherlands does have an extradition treaty with Thailand. Posted by caesu in June 2008: in 2004 a extradition treaty was signed with Thailand. came into force april 1st 2005. precondition was that first 8 years of the sentence were passed in Thailand. http://www.minbuza.nl/nl/actueel/persberichten,2004/08/wots_verdrag_tussen_nederland_en_thailand_getekend.html Machiel Kuijt was extradited in march 2007. and immediately freed over here. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2898.msg388602#msg388602 Thanks Buckeye, this is a lot more encouraging! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 12, 2008, 07:48:55 AM About that evening in C&C Joran was in C&C and Deepak & Satish also ? I have read somewhere that they waited outside The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car. Joran told often to tourists that he was not from Aruba but also on holiday I have the idea that joran told Natalee that he will take a taxi and will bring her home And that Natalee believed that she was In a taxi Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.) June 14-2005 "NATALEE WAS NOT THE GIRL WHO WAS SICK IN THE BATHROOM AT C&C's! My daughter had already told me she was puzzled by that story 'cause she neither saw nor heard anything of the kind regarding Natalee. We were at the vigil yesterday and they were discussing that... It turned out to be other girls on the trip. Somebody had mentioned that at church and these girls went, "Oh no! That was US!" It was definitely not Natalee. My daughter spoke with Natalee right after C&C's closed. My daughter & her friends came across Nat & Joran as all were exiting the club, and all were walking more or less together toward another group of classmates. Natalee was walking unassisted (not falling down drunk), spoke ok (though not answering in long sentences), and was not touching Joran. My daughter only noticed that Joran was tall, dark-haired, American-looking; he did not speak and she couldn't read his facial expressions. Nat turned down my daughter's invitation to go with her little group. (Ironically, they were about to circle the inside of another club to make sure no others were left behind.) Nat assured them that she was fine, and said she was going to go back to the hotel "with THEM," pointing to the MBHS group just a few yards ahead. The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car. Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.) It may be that the Kalpoes pulled up on the street before Natalee reached the next group; Joran may have deliberately stalled her. The group may not have even realized she was behind them, approaching. But while we hear that she got in the car willingly, we know from her comments that it was not her pre-planned intention. Because of this, I do not believe she knew she would be going anywhere but a fairly short distance down to the hotel. Her plans changed in the blink of an eye, and she was gone." Johan...there is a very early post on one of the Aruba boards by Alana's Mom that states that Natalee was last seen getting into a taxi. This was 5/30 or 5/31. Noy sure if I have it, but will look. J2K's stories about going back to the car and the their time in C&Cs just don't match up. Then their is the story about Natalee going back inside C&Cs and being escorted out by Deepak. IMO Deepak was driving - cab driver- and there was another car. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: carpe noctem on September 12, 2008, 07:58:25 AM (http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/fddfdf.png)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/nataleeholloway1122078.png) Never forget her, she is with us everyday. ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 08:05:43 AM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road MOS probably wouldn't allow him to search This is so disappointing. ALE reminds me of Casey Anthony. I wonder if they realize how ridiculous they look each time they try to play these manipulative games. Obviously, they don't care how they are viewed by the world and public opinion of that island just becomes worse. The entire world knows that this is a cover up. What will it take???? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 12, 2008, 08:48:36 AM About that evening in C&C Joran was in C&C and Deepak & Satish also ? I have read somewhere that they waited outside The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car. Joran told often to tourists that he was not from Aruba but also on holiday I have the idea that joran told Natalee that he will take a taxi and will bring her home And that Natalee believed that she was In a taxi Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.) June 14-2005 "NATALEE WAS NOT THE GIRL WHO WAS SICK IN THE BATHROOM AT C&C's! My daughter had already told me she was puzzled by that story 'cause she neither saw nor heard anything of the kind regarding Natalee. We were at the vigil yesterday and they were discussing that... It turned out to be other girls on the trip. Somebody had mentioned that at church and these girls went, "Oh no! That was US!" It was definitely not Natalee. My daughter spoke with Natalee right after C&C's closed. My daughter & her friends came across Nat & Joran as all were exiting the club, and all were walking more or less together toward another group of classmates. Natalee was walking unassisted (not falling down drunk), spoke ok (though not answering in long sentences), and was not touching Joran. My daughter only noticed that Joran was tall, dark-haired, American-looking; he did not speak and she couldn't read his facial expressions. Nat turned down my daughter's invitation to go with her little group. (Ironically, they were about to circle the inside of another club to make sure no others were left behind.) Nat assured them that she was fine, and said she was going to go back to the hotel "with THEM," pointing to the MBHS group just a few yards ahead. The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car. Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.) It may be that the Kalpoes pulled up on the street before Natalee reached the next group; Joran may have deliberately stalled her. The group may not have even realized she was behind them, approaching. But while we hear that she got in the car willingly, we know from her comments that it was not her pre-planned intention. Because of this, I do not believe she knew she would be going anywhere but a fairly short distance down to the hotel. Her plans changed in the blink of an eye, and she was gone." Johan...there is a very early post on one of the Aruba boards by Alana's Mom that states that Natalee was last seen getting into a taxi. This was 5/30 or 5/31. Noy sure if I have it, but will look. J2K's stories about going back to the car and the their time in C&Cs just don't match up. Then their is the story about Natalee going back inside C&Cs and being escorted out by Deepak. IMO Deepak was driving - cab driver- and there was another car. Joran told in a statement that Natalee asked him : are they your slaves or something i think she asked him before that is this a normal taxi ? Joran : no a private taxi I think the both K's were not in C&C but outside hanging around their "car " what was their fun to go out with joran that night ??? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 08:55:05 AM resigned Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:05 am (RU) Quote: The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. iquitos Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:36 pm Quote: already knew there were some targets in the bog. he held them close to his chest until the appropriate willing witness was identified. i think this insomniac will go into the category of the nocturnal gardener or the delusional stoned dump derelict before it is all said and done. this is nothing but a publicity stunt, IMO. i don't buy his line that he was afraid to come forward because joran's dad is a judge. i think he needed some cash incentives. like the minor girls joran raped. jossy will do anything to sell his rag of a paper or to get back at those who sent Luis up the river Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 08:56:59 AM These two were posted at RU: resigned Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:05 am (RU) Quote: The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. iquitos Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:36 pm (RU) Quote: already knew there were some targets in the bog. he held them close to his chest until the appropriate willing witness was identified. i think this insomniac will go into the category of the nocturnal gardener or the delusional stoned dump derelict before it is all said and done. this is nothing but a publicity stunt, IMO. i don't buy his line that he was afraid to come forward because joran's dad is a judge. i think he needed some cash incentives. like the minor girls joran raped. jossy will do anything to sell his rag of a paper or to get back at those who sent Luis up the river They talk some crazy stuff... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 12, 2008, 09:10:17 AM SS I called the Dutch Consulate this morning in both LA and Chicago. They asked for an email and said it might take a little while to respond.
number 312-856-0110 and 1877-DUTCHHELP - 1-877-388-2443. These numbers are both answered by an after hours service... but luvre that accent. Email address is nfo@dutchhelp.com She said if I didn't hear back by later today to call back. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ree on September 12, 2008, 09:11:31 AM These two were posted at RU: resigned Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:05 am (RU) Quote: The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. iquitos Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:36 pm (RU) Quote: already knew there were some targets in the bog. he held them close to his chest until the appropriate willing witness was identified. i think this insomniac will go into the category of the nocturnal gardener or the delusional stoned dump derelict before it is all said and done. this is nothing but a publicity stunt, IMO. i don't buy his line that he was afraid to come forward because joran's dad is a judge. i think he needed some cash incentives. like the minor girls joran raped. jossy will do anything to sell his rag of a paper or to get back at those who sent Luis up the river They talk some crazy stuff... They are some of the nastiest people I hope I never meet. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 12, 2008, 09:13:34 AM Quote resigned Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:05 am (RU) Quote: The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. this is said every September and the result is always the same. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 12, 2008, 09:15:11 AM Johan:
Quote I think the both K's were not in C&C but outside hanging around their "car " [/color][/b]what was their fun to go out with joran that night ??? EXCELLENt point!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 09:17:45 AM A vision appears of Dennis Jacobs reviewing the evidence over a bowl of Frosted Flakes to determine whether or not to prosecute the case...He may even have consulted with Paulus VanderSloot as well...On conference call with Joran in Thailand...
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 12, 2008, 09:25:13 AM I just remember a funny story Deetch told me when we were on the phone one day. I'm sure he wouldn't care if I told you all.
It was his birthday and he was on Wilshire Blvd. He saw the Dutch Consulate and he had a giant stack of Michelle's Boycott Aruba stickers in his car. He always takes them where ever he goes. He walked in to the Consulate and asked to use the men's room and then proceeded to plaster a few hundred of them all over the bathroom.. BOYCOTT ARUBA Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 09:32:08 AM Hmmmm. I see things haven't panned out so well...yet. Not surprised since we are dealing with Aruba.
Did we ever find out if Paulus worked with extraditions or not? I am having a hard time trying to keep up with two threads at once. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 12, 2008, 09:51:44 AM my request has been forwarded to the embassy in Bangkok. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 09:56:56 AM This was posted February 8, 2008 @12:51 a.m.
a Midnight aowl (SHOCO) saw him from his veranda at 3:44 passing in fornt of his house....All muddy from the waste down.... I knew I had seen this news before... Maybe sleepwalking runs in the family... Paulus sleepwalks, with cell phone in hand, and is sometimes known to have late-night McDonald's cravings... Joran, on the other hand, is know to sleepwalk to Carlos 'n Charlies for a late night beer, drug unsuspecting tourists, and sometimes finds himself covered in mud by the time he awakes in the morning. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 12, 2008, 10:04:06 AM Hmmmm. I see things haven't panned out so well...yet. Not surprised since we are dealing with Aruba. Did we ever find out if Paulus worked with extraditions or not? I am having a hard time trying to keep up with two threads at once. Lala's..I think Paulus did have. It fits the time period I was looking at for his 5 year contract with the Aruban government as a Lands Advocate and the extradiction I was thinking about. Now all I have to do is find the post that is saved somewhere in my computer about the two things...LOL Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Magnolia on September 12, 2008, 10:04:26 AM This was posted February 8, 2008 @12:51 a.m. a Midnight aowl (SHOCO) saw him from his veranda at 3:44 passing in fornt of his house....All muddy from the waste down.... I knew I had seen this news before... Maybe sleepwalking runs in the family... Paulus sleepwalks, with cell phone in hand, and is sometimes known to have late-night McDonald's cravings... Joran, on the other hand, is know to sleepwalk to Carlos 'n Charlies for a late night beer, drug unsuspecting tourists, and sometimes finds himself covered in mud by the time he awakes in the morning. Who posted that, Buckshot? I remembered a similiar version of what we are hearing now. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 10:16:10 AM This was posted February 8, 2008 @12:51 a.m. a Midnight aowl (SHOCO) saw him from his veranda at 3:44 passing in fornt of his house....All muddy from the waste down.... I knew I had seen this news before... Maybe sleepwalking runs in the family... Paulus sleepwalks, with cell phone in hand, and is sometimes known to have late-night McDonald's cravings... Joran, on the other hand, is know to sleepwalk to Carlos 'n Charlies for a late night beer, drug unsuspecting tourists, and sometimes finds himself covered in mud by the time he awakes in the morning. Who posted that, Buckshot? I remembered a similiar version of what we are hearing now. CLW Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 12, 2008, 10:26:18 AM Johan: Quote I think the both K's were not in C&C but outside hanging around their "car " [/color][/b]what was their fun to go out with joran that night ??? EXCELLENt point!! So do you both think that the statements K2 made about the drinks, aka Yard that Joran bought them in C&C's and later throwing the Yard cup out of the car is BS? (I know there's too much BS to sift through ::MonkeyHaHa:: ) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 12, 2008, 10:35:57 AM But when paul picked up joran at that night with his red suzuki
and joran was full with mud ,there must be "mud" evidence on and in the chairs i had the idea that they send the suzuki to holland to see if they can find some/any thing . why did they do that ? were there earlier rumors about Mud ? because paul 's statement was : that he was at home at that time Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Magnolia on September 12, 2008, 10:36:58 AM This was posted February 8, 2008 @12:51 a.m. a Midnight aowl (SHOCO) saw him from his veranda at 3:44 passing in fornt of his house....All muddy from the waste down.... I knew I had seen this news before... Maybe sleepwalking runs in the family... Paulus sleepwalks, with cell phone in hand, and is sometimes known to have late-night McDonald's cravings... Joran, on the other hand, is know to sleepwalk to Carlos 'n Charlies for a late night beer, drug unsuspecting tourists, and sometimes finds himself covered in mud by the time he awakes in the morning. Who posted that, Buckshot? I remembered a similiar version of what we are hearing now. CLW TY Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 12, 2008, 11:01:31 AM who are these boys ?
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/jaipur.jpg?t=1221231453) (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/ffff.jpg) (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/eyetvsnapshot227be1.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 12, 2008, 11:11:35 AM this is strange
18 june 2005 Missing in Aruba (3) – lie detector MY NAME IS Elio Nicolaas and I am a resident of Aruba. I am a retired policeman, having served with the police department for more than 21 years. I believe that I can say that I have more than average knowledge in police management and practical experience in investigation and interrogation techniques. I already had my doubts about the (possible) real story behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway after 3 or 4 days of such being reported in the media. The doubts ebbed away a little after the arrest of the two security guards. Hearing the (possible) alibi of one of these guards, I told many around me that they would be freed within 2 or 3 days. This did not happen and I have my personal thoughts about this. The arrest of the 3 ‘original suspects’ who were labelled ‘witnesses’ at first, while the two security guards were still detained, further broadened my doubts about this whole nightmare for Aruba and its people. There are still a lot of questions to be answered, irrespective the fate of Natalee Holloway and it might well be that these three suspects will turn out to be (unwilling?) witnesses after all. I believe that Natalee is alive and possibly (still) in Aruba. My heart goes out to her family and I hope that I am right. If not – God spare – I hope that the family will understand that everything should be done to find her. That is the main objective at the moment. Too many rumours have been going around since the first week of the disappearance of Natalee and I believe it is time that everybody who is connected some way or the other to Natalee, should be interviewed in a serious manner. These rumours must be verified. To do this, there is no better way than by using the polygraph. Admittedly, even in the US, only a dozen or so states accept the polygraph as evidence in its courts of law. However, most states permit the use of the polygraph (lie detector) as a very powerful investigative tool. I believe that the persons close to Natalee can be interviewed in Aruba by a (accredited) FBI polygraphist, who will evaluate this, and the results (charts) should also be given to a private polygraphist in the US engaged by the Government of Aruba for evaluation. This procedure would have been very common in the US, and it is a pity that no one has even mentioned this possibility. Some local media may feel intimidated to publish this point of view that I am suggesting, but I believe that all concerned will be well served by it. E.D. (ELIO) NICOLAAS Aruba Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: dennisintn on September 12, 2008, 11:23:51 AM Quote resigned Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:05 am (RU) Quote: The investigation into the missing American teenager is still underway. At the end of this year, the criminal investigation and decide whether Justice suspect Joran van der Sloot is prosecuted or not. this is said every September and the result is always the same. ::MonkeyHaHa:: this is the same thing they say every year at this time to placate the tourists they hope to placate and lure into making reservations for the high season. after the deposts and reservations are made they know very few people are going to cancel when they figure out it was just a ruse and nothing is going to happen. dennisintn Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 12, 2008, 11:29:41 AM this is strange 18 june 2005 Missing in Aruba (3) – lie detector MY NAME IS Elio Nicolaas and I am a resident of Aruba. I am a retired policeman, having served with the police department for more than 21 years. I believe that I can say that I have more than average knowledge in police management and practical experience in investigation and interrogation techniques. I already had my doubts about the (possible) real story behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway after 3 or 4 days of such being reported in the media. The doubts ebbed away a little after the arrest of the two security guards. Hearing the (possible) alibi of one of these guards, I told many around me that they would be freed within 2 or 3 days. This did not happen and I have my personal thoughts about this. The arrest of the 3 ‘original suspects’ who were labelled ‘witnesses’ at first, while the two security guards were still detained, further broadened my doubts about this whole nightmare for Aruba and its people. There are still a lot of questions to be answered, irrespective the fate of Natalee Holloway and it might well be that these three suspects will turn out to be (unwilling?) witnesses after all. I believe that Natalee is alive and possibly (still) in Aruba. My heart goes out to her family and I hope that I am right. If not – God spare – I hope that the family will understand that everything should be done to find her. That is the main objective at the moment. Too many rumours have been going around since the first week of the disappearance of Natalee and I believe it is time that everybody who is connected some way or the other to Natalee, should be interviewed in a serious manner. These rumours must be verified. To do this, there is no better way than by using the polygraph. Admittedly, even in the US, only a dozen or so states accept the polygraph as evidence in its courts of law. However, most states permit the use of the polygraph (lie detector) as a very powerful investigative tool. I believe that the persons close to Natalee can be interviewed in Aruba by a (accredited) FBI polygraphist, who will evaluate this, and the results (charts) should also be given to a private polygraphist in the US engaged by the Government of Aruba for evaluation. This procedure would have been very common in the US, and it is a pity that no one has even mentioned this possibility. Some local media may feel intimidated to publish this point of view that I am suggesting, but I believe that all concerned will be well served by it. E.D. (ELIO) NICOLAAS Aruba Very Strange...Johan...I was just discussing this with a friend ::MonkeyEek:: Can a lie detector test taken in the US be used in Aruba? Of course the Aruban government would have to co-operate! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 12, 2008, 11:34:11 AM (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ffff2.jpg)
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/aruba1-1.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 12, 2008, 11:46:26 AM (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/aruba1-1.jpg) the guy standing with Satish might also be a kid named Alexsander Zievinger... it's hard to tell which one that is. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 12, 2008, 11:47:08 AM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road MOS probably wouldn't allow him to search I was such a dope-I had such high hopes when he first came on the scene. You're not a dope, Ono. We all have hope. That Tim is coming back does not surprise me because he is dealing with the same regime who has blocked this investigation for 3 1/2 years. Hans Mos is basically Karin Jannsen with a pecker. Hope that there are higher powers at work than what is running that shoddy island. That is what will bring results. Dayhiker: Thanks for the kind words. San was right, as not to be so gullible. I think I was 'taken in' by Mos' clean good looks and actual air of respectability. He really seemed to be there to clean up matters. Oi...a genuine let down. I know that "truth crushed to earth shall rise again" but it really is difficult to have to wait ! We have all been so patient for so long. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 12, 2008, 11:50:27 AM Like I mentioned above, this whole sickening affair is much larger to me than the unspeakable affront to Natalee and her family. Aruba has spit on the United States and all that is morally right in the world. Watching the 9-11 special fills me with so much emotion. I guess it reminds me of why we have been here for 3+ years and why we will STILL be here until we resolve this. Don't F with us -- we are not going to take it. Exactly! The insults from Aruba have been especially galling. And astounding. Who knew? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ree on September 12, 2008, 11:51:26 AM Des, anybody....know if Tim will be able to tell us something soon? Not knowing anything didn't bother me when I didn't know that I didn't know. Know what I mean?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 12, 2008, 11:52:52 AM Post by angelalala at BFN I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road MOS probably wouldn't allow him to search I was such a dope-I had such high hopes when he first came on the scene. Don't feel bad Sweetie...we all did...we know better now...Des Thanks Des..you are kind and always have been. ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 12, 2008, 12:05:15 PM (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ffff2.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/aruba1-1.jpg) thanks rob >>>>>>>>> panty boys is new for me ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 12, 2008, 12:36:57 PM So, Diario Pt. II is not out until monday?
::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 12:40:59 PM this is strange 18 june 2005 Missing in Aruba (3) – lie detector MY NAME IS Elio Nicolaas and I am a resident of Aruba. I am a retired policeman, having served with the police department for more than 21 years. I believe that I can say that I have more than average knowledge in police management and practical experience in investigation and interrogation techniques. I already had my doubts about the (possible) real story behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway after 3 or 4 days of such being reported in the media. The doubts ebbed away a little after the arrest of the two security guards. Hearing the (possible) alibi of one of these guards, I told many around me that they would be freed within 2 or 3 days. This did not happen and I have my personal thoughts about this. The arrest of the 3 ‘original suspects’ who were labelled ‘witnesses’ at first, while the two security guards were still detained, further broadened my doubts about this whole nightmare for Aruba and its people. There are still a lot of questions to be answered, irrespective the fate of Natalee Holloway and it might well be that these three suspects will turn out to be (unwilling?) witnesses after all. I believe that Natalee is alive and possibly (still) in Aruba. My heart goes out to her family and I hope that I am right. If not – God spare – I hope that the family will understand that everything should be done to find her. That is the main objective at the moment. Too many rumours have been going around since the first week of the disappearance of Natalee and I believe it is time that everybody who is connected some way or the other to Natalee, should be interviewed in a serious manner. These rumours must be verified. To do this, there is no better way than by using the polygraph. Admittedly, even in the US, only a dozen or so states accept the polygraph as evidence in its courts of law. However, most states permit the use of the polygraph (lie detector) as a very powerful investigative tool. I believe that the persons close to Natalee can be interviewed in Aruba by a (accredited) FBI polygraphist, who will evaluate this, and the results (charts) should also be given to a private polygraphist in the US engaged by the Government of Aruba for evaluation. This procedure would have been very common in the US, and it is a pity that no one has even mentioned this possibility. Some local media may feel intimidated to publish this point of view that I am suggesting, but I believe that all concerned will be well served by it. E.D. (ELIO) NICOLAAS Aruba This made me think of my mostest favorite person....Lorenzo. ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ala_gunslinger on September 12, 2008, 12:46:54 PM So, Diario Pt. II is not out until monday? ::MonkeyNoNo:: Good morning ya'll! Wreck, at least the Monday publication won't be overshadowed by Ike. Gun Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 12, 2008, 12:48:21 PM Well, after further contemplation -- I am even more confident that we are finally near resolution. Don't let Tim's departure discourage you.
I just don't think Tim would have gone down there unless they already had ALL their ducks in a row. I think this was one last effort to let Mos (et al) come clean. Apparently it is the same old BS from the local Arubans. My gut feeling is this was their last chance or face going down with the ship. I think this has been essentially solved since about March. JMO! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 12, 2008, 01:15:52 PM ::MonkeyShocked:: I always scare everyone off after my "out-on-a-limb" feelings! ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: ala_gunslinger on September 12, 2008, 01:17:08 PM ::MonkeyShocked:: I always scare everyone off after my "out-on-a-limb" feelings! ::MonkeyHaHa:: LOL! It's not you, it's me! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2008, 01:23:24 PM ::MonkeyShocked:: I always scare everyone off after my "out-on-a-limb" feelings! ::MonkeyHaHa:: LOL! It's not you, it's me! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Ya'll aren't scaring me off...just gotta book it back to work! I love Wreck's "out-on-a-limb" feelings! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 12, 2008, 01:27:35 PM ::MonkeyShocked:: I always scare everyone off after my "out-on-a-limb" feelings! ::MonkeyHaHa:: LOL! It's not you, it's me! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Ya'll aren't scaring me off...just gotta book it back to work! I love Wreck's "out-on-a-limb" feelings! ::MonkeyCool:: are safe there in Texas >>> Texasmom ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: bleachedblack on September 12, 2008, 01:50:38 PM About that evening in C&C Joran was in C&C and Deepak & Satish also ? I have read somewhere that they waited outside The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car. Joran told often to tourists that he was not from Aruba but also on holiday I have the idea that joran told Natalee that he will take a taxi and will bring her home And that Natalee believed that she was In a taxi Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.) June 14-2005 "NATALEE WAS NOT THE GIRL WHO WAS SICK IN THE BATHROOM AT C&C's! My daughter had already told me she was puzzled by that story 'cause she neither saw nor heard anything of the kind regarding Natalee. We were at the vigil yesterday and they were discussing that... It turned out to be other girls on the trip. Somebody had mentioned that at church and these girls went, "Oh no! That was US!" It was definitely not Natalee. My daughter spoke with Natalee right after C&C's closed. My daughter & her friends came across Nat & Joran as all were exiting the club, and all were walking more or less together toward another group of classmates. Natalee was walking unassisted (not falling down drunk), spoke ok (though not answering in long sentences), and was not touching Joran. My daughter only noticed that Joran was tall, dark-haired, American-looking; he did not speak and she couldn't read his facial expressions. Nat turned down my daughter's invitation to go with her little group. (Ironically, they were about to circle the inside of another club to make sure no others were left behind.) Nat assured them that she was fine, and said she was going to go back to the hotel "with THEM," pointing to the MBHS group just a few yards ahead. The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car. Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.) It may be that the Kalpoes pulled up on the street before Natalee reached the next group; Joran may have deliberately stalled her. The group may not have even realized she was behind them, approaching. But while we hear that she got in the car willingly, we know from her comments that it was not her pre-planned intention. Because of this, I do not believe she knew she would be going anywhere but a fairly short distance down to the hotel. Her plans changed in the blink of an eye, and she was gone." Johan...there is a very early post on one of the Aruba boards by Alana's Mom that states that Natalee was last seen getting into a taxi. This was 5/30 or 5/31. Noy sure if I have it, but will look. J2K's stories about going back to the car and the their time in C&Cs just don't match up. Then their is the story about Natalee going back inside C&Cs and being escorted out by Deepak. IMO Deepak was driving - cab driver- and there was another car. I think is the post you are talking about? ++++++ >>>>SNIP arbeej arbeej is offline Member Join Date: May 31st, 2005 Posts: 75 arbeej is on a distinguished road Default Re: HELP - POLICE?! how to contact?! From what I've heard about the trip, there were excursions to all the bars. The legal drinking age is 18, and these were kids that graduated the day before. We knew there would be drinking. The hotel package was all-inclusive -- all you can eat, all you can drink. That last fact was not something I knew. I had told my daughter not to leave the hotel compound unless on a chaperoned tour/activity. But kids often have a false sense of safety -- especially when they've been told they ARE safe -- and after a few drinks I'm sure they wouldn't exercise the best of judgement. This girl was last seen waving to her friends from a taxi en route to the hotel (the others were walking). They had all exited the bar more or less in a group. Please keep a tight rein on those kids, especially the girls. I can't figure out how so many people I've talked to recently somehow knew there was a "huge problem" of this sort in Aruba. The only "news" I've found via internet reads like a tourism brochure. Thank you all for your kind thoughts and suggestions. I will post when we find out something. It is agonizing to wait and not know anything... http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/help-police-how-contact-2244/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Frijole on September 12, 2008, 01:51:05 PM Well, after further contemplation -- I am even more confident that we are finally near resolution. Don't let Tim's departure discourage you. I just don't think Tim would have gone down there unless they already had ALL their ducks in a row. I think this was one last effort to let Mos (et al) come clean. Apparently it is the same old BS from the local Arubans. My gut feeling is this was their last chance or face going down with the ship. I think this has been essentially solved since about March. JMO! Heh Wreck... I've been contemplating as well... you just HAVE to believe that Tim and the rest of the gang know full well by now what to expect from Mos and ALE. So I don't think they expected a search to be allowed. Why would they start cooperating now? I have to believe they have this thing all planned and staged knowing what to anticipate. Careful Aruba - the cowboys are "onto" your system now. I think Tim made a courtesy visit to Mos to ask permission because it is the right thing to do. But I think they already had a Plan B in mind knowing Mos would be Mos. Now I'm waiting for Plan B. Maybe that's why the story was partially disclosed in the Diario. I can hope..... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 12, 2008, 02:00:00 PM Well, after further contemplation -- I am even more confident that we are finally near resolution. Don't let Tim's departure discourage you. I just don't think Tim would have gone down there unless they already had ALL their ducks in a row. I think this was one last effort to let Mos (et al) come clean. Apparently it is the same old BS from the local Arubans. My gut feeling is this was their last chance or face going down with the ship. I think this has been essentially solved since about March. JMO! Heh Wreck... I've been contemplating as well... you just HAVE to believe that Tim and the rest of the gang know full well by now what to expect from Mos and ALE. So I don't think they expected a search to be allowed. Why would they start cooperating now? I have to believe they have this thing all planned and staged knowing what to anticipate. Careful Aruba - the cowboys are "onto" your system now. I think Tim made a courtesy visit to Mos to ask permission because it is the right thing to do. But I think they already had a Plan B in mind knowing Mos would be Mos. Now I'm waiting for Plan B. Maybe that's why the story was partially disclosed in the Diario. I can hope..... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2008, 02:04:59 PM NEW FRONT PAGE POST:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/12/search-for-natalee-hollowaytim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-new-witness-in-aruba-discusions-with-proecutor-hans-mos-polygraph-exams/ Search for Natalee Holloway:Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch … New Witness in Aruba, Discusions with Proecutor Hans Mos & Polygraph Exams TIM MILLER WILL BE ON DANA PRETZER TONIGHT! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 12, 2008, 02:07:44 PM About that evening in C&C Joran was in C&C and Deepak & Satish also ? I have read somewhere that they waited outside The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car. Joran told often to tourists that he was not from Aruba but also on holiday I have the idea that joran told Natalee that he will take a taxi and will bring her home And that Natalee believed that she was In a taxi Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.) June 14-2005 "NATALEE WAS NOT THE GIRL WHO WAS SICK IN THE BATHROOM AT C&C's! My daughter had already told me she was puzzled by that story 'cause she neither saw nor heard anything of the kind regarding Natalee. We were at the vigil yesterday and they were discussing that... It turned out to be other girls on the trip. Somebody had mentioned that at church and these girls went, "Oh no! That was US!" It was definitely not Natalee. My daughter spoke with Natalee right after C&C's closed. My daughter & her friends came across Nat & Joran as all were exiting the club, and all were walking more or less together toward another group of classmates. Natalee was walking unassisted (not falling down drunk), spoke ok (though not answering in long sentences), and was not touching Joran. My daughter only noticed that Joran was tall, dark-haired, American-looking; he did not speak and she couldn't read his facial expressions. Nat turned down my daughter's invitation to go with her little group. (Ironically, they were about to circle the inside of another club to make sure no others were left behind.) Nat assured them that she was fine, and said she was going to go back to the hotel "with THEM," pointing to the MBHS group just a few yards ahead. The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car. Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.) It may be that the Kalpoes pulled up on the street before Natalee reached the next group; Joran may have deliberately stalled her. The group may not have even realized she was behind them, approaching. But while we hear that she got in the car willingly, we know from her comments that it was not her pre-planned intention. Because of this, I do not believe she knew she would be going anywhere but a fairly short distance down to the hotel. Her plans changed in the blink of an eye, and she was gone." Johan...there is a very early post on one of the Aruba boards by Alana's Mom that states that Natalee was last seen getting into a taxi. This was 5/30 or 5/31. Noy sure if I have it, but will look. J2K's stories about going back to the car and the their time in C&Cs just don't match up. Then their is the story about Natalee going back inside C&Cs and being escorted out by Deepak. IMO Deepak was driving - cab driver- and there was another car. I think is the post you are talking about? ++++++ >>>>SNIP arbeej arbeej is offline Member Join Date: May 31st, 2005 Posts: 75 arbeej is on a distinguished road Default Re: HELP - POLICE?! how to contact?! From what I've heard about the trip, there were excursions to all the bars. The legal drinking age is 18, and these were kids that graduated the day before. We knew there would be drinking. The hotel package was all-inclusive -- all you can eat, all you can drink. That last fact was not something I knew. I had told my daughter not to leave the hotel compound unless on a chaperoned tour/activity. But kids often have a false sense of safety -- especially when they've been told they ARE safe -- and after a few drinks I'm sure they wouldn't exercise the best of judgement. This girl was last seen waving to her friends from a taxi en route to the hotel (the others were walking). They had all exited the bar more or less in a group. Please keep a tight rein on those kids, especially the girls. I can't figure out how so many people I've talked to recently somehow knew there was a "huge problem" of this sort in Aruba. The only "news" I've found via internet reads like a tourism brochure. Thank you all for your kind thoughts and suggestions. I will post when we find out something. It is agonizing to wait and not know anything... http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/help-police-how-contact-2244/ Thanks BB...that is one of them...LOL...had a senior moment and couldn't think of arbeej's name. My poor brain can only take so much info these days! I think there is one with the "known drug dealer" Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 12, 2008, 02:15:28 PM Which shoe was found and posted in Diaro?? Right or left???
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: bleachedblack on September 12, 2008, 02:23:18 PM MumInOhio wrote;
Quote Thanks BB...that is one of them...LOL...had a senior moment and couldn't think of arbeej's name. My poor brain can only take so much info these days! I think there is one with the "known drug dealer" Maybe this is the one you mean then Mum? ++++++ >>>>SNIP ashley79 Alabama Joined: Mar 2005 Forum posts: 42 Travel map pins: 1 Travel maps show where members have been and are going. Start your own! More about ashley79... ? Posted on: 1:37 pm, May 31, 2005 Save Save Just wanted to warn everyone: My best friend and her husband chaperoned a senior trip of 160 kids down to Aruba, and she returned last night. Her husband had to stay b/c they think that one of the girls was kidnapped, and is possibly in Venezuela now. Her parents flew down, and the State Dept., DEA and several other groups are involved now. She left with a guy from Carlos and Charlie's, and the cops found out that he is a local drug dealer. Just wanted to let everyone know to please stay safe. If anyone in Aruba has any info., please let me know. I should know more later today. Just please say a prayer. http://tinyurl.com/3zw3ds Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 02:29:06 PM NEW FRONT PAGE POST: http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/12/search-for-natalee-hollowaytim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-new-witness-in-aruba-discusions-with-proecutor-hans-mos-polygraph-exams/ Search for Natalee Holloway:Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch … New Witness in Aruba, Discusions with Proecutor Hans Mos & Polygraph Exams TIM MILLER WILL BE ON DANA PRETZER TONIGHT! Hans Mos was sent to Aruba as a public relations ploy to convince Americans that they wanted to solve the case. His brash words and "cowboy-like" demeanor were supposed to appeal to us. His goal, however, was to close the case, and he almost succeeded. He had the three re-arrested and a mock-trial before the judge was performed. Working with an extremely limited case file containing only a few communications records (what happened to the 400 pounds of case files sent to Holland?) Hans knew all along the case would get tossed. Of course the judge, Rick Smid, shut the case down again and Hans quietly began shutting down the case, reducing the investigative staff to four "phone answerers." Then Joran's confession threw a monkey wrench into their best laid plans. How could a confession by Joran be ignored? Hans and crew were totally caught off guard but, true to form, just as the Dutch officials in Aruba have done all along, they tossed it to Judge Smid who promptly shut down the case again. Notice a pattern here? We've seen it since day one. Right now Hans Mos is doing his Karin Jannsen imitation. He is saying they are actively working on the case when in truth he is inactively working on it so he can officially close it again. That's why he wants nothing to do with witnesses and evidence. He is probably hoping Joran doesn't open his fat mouth again so he can quietly wait til the end of the year, close the case, and flee back to Holland, just as his predecessor Karin Jannsen did. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 12, 2008, 02:29:13 PM About that evening in C&C Joran was in C&C and Deepak & Satish also ? I have read somewhere that they waited outside The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car. Joran told often to tourists that he was not from Aruba but also on holiday I have the idea that joran told Natalee that he will take a taxi and will bring her home And that Natalee believed that she was In a taxi Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.) June 14-2005 "NATALEE WAS NOT THE GIRL WHO WAS SICK IN THE BATHROOM AT C&C's! My daughter had already told me she was puzzled by that story 'cause she neither saw nor heard anything of the kind regarding Natalee. We were at the vigil yesterday and they were discussing that... It turned out to be other girls on the trip. Somebody had mentioned that at church and these girls went, "Oh no! That was US!" It was definitely not Natalee. My daughter spoke with Natalee right after C&C's closed. My daughter & her friends came across Nat & Joran as all were exiting the club, and all were walking more or less together toward another group of classmates. Natalee was walking unassisted (not falling down drunk), spoke ok (though not answering in long sentences), and was not touching Joran. My daughter only noticed that Joran was tall, dark-haired, American-looking; he did not speak and she couldn't read his facial expressions. Nat turned down my daughter's invitation to go with her little group. (Ironically, they were about to circle the inside of another club to make sure no others were left behind.) Nat assured them that she was fine, and said she was going to go back to the hotel "with THEM," pointing to the MBHS group just a few yards ahead. The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car. Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.) It may be that the Kalpoes pulled up on the street before Natalee reached the next group; Joran may have deliberately stalled her. The group may not have even realized she was behind them, approaching. But while we hear that she got in the car willingly, we know from her comments that it was not her pre-planned intention. Because of this, I do not believe she knew she would be going anywhere but a fairly short distance down to the hotel. Her plans changed in the blink of an eye, and she was gone." Johan...there is a very early post on one of the Aruba boards by Alana's Mom that states that Natalee was last seen getting into a taxi. This was 5/30 or 5/31. Noy sure if I have it, but will look. J2K's stories about going back to the car and the their time in C&Cs just don't match up. Then their is the story about Natalee going back inside C&Cs and being escorted out by Deepak. IMO Deepak was driving - cab driver- and there was another car. I think is the post you are talking about? ++++++ >>>>SNIP arbeej arbeej is offline Member Join Date: May 31st, 2005 Posts: 75 arbeej is on a distinguished road Default Re: HELP - POLICE?! how to contact?! From what I've heard about the trip, there were excursions to all the bars. The legal drinking age is 18, and these were kids that graduated the day before. We knew there would be drinking. The hotel package was all-inclusive -- all you can eat, all you can drink. That last fact was not something I knew. I had told my daughter not to leave the hotel compound unless on a chaperoned tour/activity. But kids often have a false sense of safety -- especially when they've been told they ARE safe -- and after a few drinks I'm sure they wouldn't exercise the best of judgement. This girl was last seen waving to her friends from a taxi en route to the hotel (the others were walking). They had all exited the bar more or less in a group. Please keep a tight rein on those kids, especially the girls. I can't figure out how so many people I've talked to recently somehow knew there was a "huge problem" of this sort in Aruba. The only "news" I've found via internet reads like a tourism brochure. Thank you all for your kind thoughts and suggestions. I will post when we find out something. It is agonizing to wait and not know anything... http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/help-police-how-contact-2244/ So all the student had the Idea that Natalee was in the taxi , because those look like regular cars. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 12, 2008, 02:34:00 PM MumInOhio wrote; Quote Thanks BB...that is one of them...LOL...had a senior moment and couldn't think of arbeej's name. My poor brain can only take so much info these days! I think there is one with the "known drug dealer" Maybe this is the one you mean then Mum? ++++++ >>>>SNIP ashley79 Alabama Joined: Mar 2005 Forum posts: 42 Travel map pins: 1 Travel maps show where members have been and are going. Start your own! More about ashley79... ? Posted on: 1:37 pm, May 31, 2005 Save Save Just wanted to warn everyone: My best friend and her husband chaperoned a senior trip of 160 kids down to Aruba, and she returned last night. Her husband had to stay b/c they think that one of the girls was kidnapped, and is possibly in Venezuela now. Her parents flew down, and the State Dept., DEA and several other groups are involved now. She left with a guy from Carlos and Charlie's, and the cops found out that he is a local drug dealer. Just wanted to let everyone know to please stay safe. If anyone in Aruba has any info., please let me know. I should know more later today. Just please say a prayer. http://tinyurl.com/3zw3ds Thanks BB...At your fingertips...how do you do that ... LOL Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 12, 2008, 02:37:47 PM Johan...that is how I understand it from what I have read. I believe Natalee thought she was getting in a taxi.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 12, 2008, 02:58:13 PM Hans Mos was sent to Aruba as a public relations ploy to convince Americans that they wanted to solve the case. His brash words and "cowboy-like" demeanor were supposed to appeal to us. His goal, however, was to close the case, and he almost succeeded. He had the three re-arrested and a mock-trial before the judge was performed. Working with an extremely limited case file containing only a few communications records (what happened to the 400 pounds of case files sent to Holland?) Hans knew all along the case would get tossed. Of course the judge, Rick Smid, shut the case down again and Hans quietly began shutting down the case, reducing the investigative staff to four "phone answerers." Then Joran's confession threw a monkey wrench into their best laid plans. How could a confession by Joran be ignored? Hans and crew were totally caught off guard but, true to form, just as the Dutch officials in Aruba have done all along, they tossed it to Judge Smid who promptly shut down the case again. Notice a pattern here? We've seen it since day one. Right now Hans Mos is doing his Karin Jannsen imitation. He is saying they are actively working on the case when in truth he is inactively working on it so he can officially close it again. That's why he wants nothing to do with witnesses and evidence. He is probably hoping Joran doesn't open his fat mouth again so he can quietly wait til the end of the year, close the case, and flee back to Holland, just as his predecessor Karin Jannsen did. [/quote] DaY Hiker i think that there are higher powers and they all want to close this case asap I think also H powers here in Holland They don't like the boycott at all there in Aruba Holland send someone to Aruba who is suspected of fraud (karin Janssen ) and now mos and again no action ! paul vd Sloot Van der S. lived since 17 years on the island an three years ago he become judge in training. The judiciary was not satisfied with its internal functioning and had already taken the decision that Van der S. must stop with it . There was another place within the judiciary searched for him and Van der S. did all no more lawsuits. so he did lawsuits ! why did they take that decision ? because he is a gambler ? because his son use drugs ? or was there more ? declarations against his son because of rapes ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2008, 02:59:56 PM NEW FRONT PAGE POST: http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/12/search-for-natalee-hollowaytim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-new-witness-in-aruba-discusions-with-proecutor-hans-mos-polygraph-exams/ Search for Natalee Holloway:Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch … New Witness in Aruba, Discusions with Proecutor Hans Mos & Polygraph Exams TIM MILLER WILL BE ON DANA PRETZER TONIGHT! JOSSY will be on tonights Dana Pretzer show too! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 03:03:08 PM Soon as Hans Mos (and company) learned of the new witness, who successfully passed two polygraph tests, placed Joran VanderSloot near the pond with muddy clothes, effectively filled in timeline gaps, and served as a break in the case...
What did he do next??? 1) Immediately search the pond? NO 2) Accept a free offer from Tim MIller to search the pond? NO 3) Review the polygraph results with his "team of 20 lawyers'? NO 4) Get excited that there may be a break in the case? NO 5) Try to corroborate the witness statement? NO 6) Feel the need to re-open the case? NO 7) Reveal plans that the site would be drained, excavated, and built on. YES 8) Send volunteer search group home. YES 9) Dismiss witness statement as unbelievable. YES 10) Disqualify validity of polygraph examination. YES Does Hans Mos want this case: (a) solved, or (b) to go away?? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MumInOhio on September 12, 2008, 03:04:20 PM Hans Mos was sent to Aruba as a public relations ploy to convince Americans that they wanted to solve the case. His brash words and "cowboy-like" demeanor were supposed to appeal to us. His goal, however, was to close the case, and he almost succeeded. He had the three re-arrested and a mock-trial before the judge was performed. Working with an extremely limited case file containing only a few communications records (what happened to the 400 pounds of case files sent to Holland?) Hans knew all along the case would get tossed. Of course the judge, Rick Smid, shut the case down again and Hans quietly began shutting down the case, reducing the investigative staff to four "phone answerers." Then Joran's confession threw a monkey wrench into their best laid plans. How could a confession by Joran be ignored? Hans and crew were totally caught off guard but, true to form, just as the Dutch officials in Aruba have done all along, they tossed it to Judge Smid who promptly shut down the case again. Notice a pattern here? We've seen it since day one. Right now Hans Mos is doing his Karin Jannsen imitation. He is saying they are actively working on the case when in truth he is inactively working on it so he can officially close it again. That's why he wants nothing to do with witnesses and evidence. He is probably hoping Joran doesn't open his fat mouth again so he can quietly wait til the end of the year, close the case, and flee back to Holland, just as his predecessor Karin Jannsen did. DaY Hiker i think that there are higher powers and they all want to close this case asap I think also H powers here in Holland They don't like the boycott at all there in Aruba Holland send someone to Aruba who is suspected of fraud (karin Janssen ) and now mos and again no action ! paul vd Sloot Van der S. lived since 17 years on the island an three years ago he become judge in training. The judiciary was not satisfied with its internal functioning and had already taken the decision that Van der S. must stop with it . There was another place within the judiciary searched for him and Van der S. did all no more lawsuits. so he did lawsuits ! why did they take that decision ? because he is a gambler ? because his son use drugs ? or was there more ? declarations against his son because of rapes ? [/quote] Johan...Do you have a link, please? My basic math on when Paulus went to Aruba is not taking me 1991... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 12, 2008, 03:22:16 PM Johan...that is how I understand it from what I have read. I believe Natalee thought she was getting in a taxi. ******************************************************(!) Yes Mum and she thought she could trust the Taxi driver !How many times did they USE this Trick? Who lives there at the Matt Apartments ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 12, 2008, 03:32:03 PM Telegraaf
John Vd Heuvel (http://u.omroep.nl/n/a/2008-04/John-vd-Heuvel.jpg) trans via google june -2005 'Happy' island is already a month grip of missing American girl Raadsels in Aruba Does Judge Paul S. his son helped a murder? ORANJESTAD (Aruba), Saturday The police station in the district 'North' in Oranjestad, Aruba, Thursday evening. Just now is the Dutch judge Paul van der S. fascinated inwards. Cameraploegen, photographers and dozens of journalists for the door to samengestroomd live report on the matter that Aruba is already weeks in his grip hold: the mysterious disappearance of the American girl Natalee Holloway. In fact the American media en masse on Aruba are neergestreken. Large networks such as CNN, ABC and NBC have their own teams sent by the American people to keep the search for Natalee. The arrest of Judge Van der S. day before yesterday was' breaking news' on all major television stations in the U.S.. Teneur of the coverage: mainly with the American tourists so popular Aruba is no longer 'one happy island. " Missing: Natalee Holloway (box). Only a speedy resolution of the matter seems to be the future of Aruba as a sunny holiday for American tourists to survive. V.l.n.r. the Dutch judge Paul van der S., his wife Anita and their son, Joran. Hielp his son to leave the disappearance of Natalee? Of his arrest is an attempt by the Aruban justice to show that everything is done in order to resolve the matter? Mother and father Beth Jug living between hope and fear. "The idea that Natalee is no longer here, is intolerable." Criminal hotbed The Dutch island in the Caribbean is a criminal hotbed where holidaying parents their daughters no minute can only ask, so let the reporters in their constituencies roaring reports know. Meanwhile, try the local authorities passionate image of Aruba to save. Only a speedy resolution of the matter seems to be the future of the island as a sunny holiday for American tourists to survive. One outcome seems since day one step closer. Was Paul van der S. -- A former Cabinet of the Attorney General on Aruba - actually the person who helped his son Joran to let the disappearance of Natalee Holloway? Or is the arrest of a wanhoopspoging the Aruban justice to the mighty American media does indeed show that all resources are used to refer the matter to be resolved? Saturday, May 28. Natalee Holloway was in Aruba with 124 schoolmates neergestreken. The girl has the consent of her parents shut down the high school to celebrate with a rousing holiday in the Caribbean. Preface to the school incidentally resistance against the trip. In the very conservative staalstadje Birmingham in the state of Alabama, some parents but nothing that such a large group of children on a trip with a surveillance "only" seven chaperonnes. The school realizes that there are apparently also risks to the journey stick, because the parents who let their children do in that must sign a statement that the school immunity from responsibility for any accidents. The group is housed in the Holiday Inn Hotel on Aruba, located on the beautiful snow-white beaches of Palm Beach. On Friday, May 27 met Natalee at the hotel Joran van der S., a 17-year-old boy who studies at the Aruba International School. Joran comes from a respectable family. His father has since 2002 courts in training and his mother teaches at the same school where her three children their lessons. The family Van der S. belongs to the upper-class of Aruba. Joran has his own apartment next to the villa with swimming pool where his parents live. He runs good at school, but is under treatment from a psychiatrist because he's a rather hot flushes character. In the Holiday Inn shows the clicking between Joran and Naalee, after which the two decisions together the next day to see in the nightclub Carlos' N Charlie's. It is Natales last day on the island, so if Joran at the end of the evening still wants a piece of driving tackles them the chance of a avontuurtje. Two Surinamese friends of Joran, the brothers Deepak and Satish K., seated in the front seats, while the teenagers against each other in the back door and started to kiss. What then happened to this day unclear. Natalee Holloway is undisputed that no more returns in her hotel. If the girl vanished the next day, is immediately beaten great alarm. Her parents divorced from flying over Alabama and the police warned. Until large misunderstanding of the Americans are Joran and his friends in the first instance only as witnesses heard. The investigation is slow to get off anyway because there are already direct disagreement arises over who should lead the rechercheteam. The Aruban Justice Minister Croes lives for some time onmin with top police and the prosecutor and the Minister does not want the Dutch Police Commissioner Jan van der Straaten the investigation leads. They will however support from the local politiebonden, which still Croes eggs for his money elect and Van der Straaten should stay on. Soon, the highly experienced police, who are eve of his retirement, a dedicated police team meeting consisting of Aruban and Dutch investigators. The team will furthermore support of seven FBI experts. The initial witnesses' change soon as the three suspects in ever-changing declaration. Joran says that he first went home earlier and Natalee left behind with his two friends. The brothers, however, that they declare the girl at her hotel gedrieën have disposed where they would be drunk inwards gestrompeld. On the security cameras of the Holiday Inn Hotel is nothing to see. The three were arrested after a week and the car in which the last ride took place with Natalee is for technical investigation into the politielab. The police get more and more convinced that the three know more of the disappearance of Natalee and gradually the research that the conviction by the police (who has trained nearly thirty detectives) that the girl was murdered by them. The search considers it most likely that Natalee was taken to the Light House 'on Aruba, an extinct spot on the northernmost tip of the island. In the eyes of justice would Joran and his friends have since sought sex with the U.S. to do so, but who would not be served and have tegengestribbeld. Natalee Holloway would then have been murdered and her body would leave one of the numerous spots on the island are abandoned or possibly even be dumped into the sea. Joran father What happened that night has happened and what further role father Paul Joran van der S. in the crime, remains a mystery. Van der S. seventeen years already lived on the island three years ago and was deputy judge in training. The judiciary was not satisfied with its internal functioning and had already taken the decision that Van der S. his duties should resign. There was another place within the judiciary searched for him and Van der S. did all no more lawsuits. The police in Aruba begins his actions increasingly suspected to be found if the investigation reveals that Paul gives instructions and all the suspects they are trying to keep what they can and can not be explained. That means that Van der S. prohibiting his son still gets longer visits in the cell, after which the magistrate court proceedings for a short step to challenge this. Last Thursday decision Justice Paul van der S. to arrest on suspicion of involvement in the murder of Natalee. Keihard evidence is lacking so far, but the opaque attitude of Van der S. raises too many questions. Whether the indictment of murder in a later stage remains in force, only time will tell. Justice may also suspected to have landed Van der S. in insurance can say. The indictment could later be adapted for example in the removal of evidence. Despair Meanwhile the family of Natalee Holloway despair around. The father and mother of Natalee stay with their new partners already a month in the Holiday Inn Hotel. The Board of the girl is still in the same state as on the day of her disappearance. "We still have not found the strength to vacate the room," says Beth Holloway in the lobby of the hotel, where holidaying on her countrymen to a deafening racket. "We live between hope and fear. I am now convinced however that the authorities here make every effort to resolve the matter. We are also very much support and love of the Aruban people. But the paradise that was for Aruba We turned into a nightmare. I have with one of those friends of Joran talks, which are now stuck. Unbelievable how cool aloofness and he did about the disappearance of Natalee. I thought that was immediately suspicious. My daughter was the dearest, cheerful and knapste girl that you can imagine. The idea that they are no longer is unbearable. But we do not know what has happened with her if possible even worse. I therefore remain in Aruba until there is clarity about. " Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 03:44:48 PM Soon as Hans Mos (and company) learned of the new witness, who successfully passed two polygraph tests, placed Joran VanderSloot near the pond with muddy clothes, effectively filled in timeline gaps, and served as a break in the case... What did he do next??? 1) Immediately search the pond? NO 2) Accept a free offer from Tim MIller to search the pond? NO 3) Review the polygraph results with his "team of 20 lawyers'? NO 4) Get excited that there may be a break in the case? NO 5) Try to corroborate the witness statement? NO 6) Feel the need to re-open the case? NO 7) Reveal plans that the site would be drained, excavated, and built on. YES 8) Send volunteer search group home. YES 9) Dismiss witness statement as unbelievable. YES 10) Disqualify validity of polygraph examination. YES Does Hans Mos want this case: (a) solved, or (b) to go away?? All great points Buckeye. Three more things of note. (1) Hans went in like a cowboy but what did he do after both judicial rulings in the suspects favor? He laid down. Rolled over. Put up no fight whatsoever. (2) Hans re-arrested the three suspects under the thin, hilarious, ridiculous premise that they world talk. In fact, he said it would be to their advantage to talk. Of course they didn't, and Hans had no way of making them do so. This was part of his act. He knew good and well they wouldn't talk. (3) Hans showed his true colors when he had Beth and Dave flown in and interrogated them worse than he did the three suspects. Hans treated Natalee's parents as if they were the criminals. In fact, Hans blamed Natalee's parents and the US media for screwing up the case. Hans Mos is a puppet for a corrupt legal and judicial system. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 12, 2008, 03:50:28 PM Soon as Hans Mos (and company) learned of the new witness, who successfully passed two polygraph tests, placed Joran VanderSloot near the pond with muddy clothes, effectively filled in timeline gaps, and served as a break in the case... Well, if Aruba thought they had it bad before -- just wait until THIS hits!!! They ALL MUST be in on the cover-up because they are ALL willing to fall on their own sword.What did he do next??? 1) Immediately search the pond? NO 2) Accept a free offer from Tim MIller to search the pond? NO 3) Review the polygraph results with his "team of 20 lawyers'? NO 4) Get excited that there may be a break in the case? NO 5) Try to corroborate the witness statement? NO 6) Feel the need to re-open the case? NO 7) Reveal plans that the site would be drained, excavated, and built on. YES 8) Send volunteer search group home. YES 9) Dismiss witness statement as unbelievable. YES 10) Disqualify validity of polygraph examination. YES Does Hans Mos want this case: (a) solved, or (b) to go away?? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 03:52:46 PM DaY Hiker i think that there are higher powers and they all want to close this case asap I think also H powers here in Holland They don't like the boycott at all there in Aruba Holland send someone to Aruba who is suspected of fraud (karin Janssen ) and now mos and again no action ! paul vd Sloot Van der S. lived since 17 years on the island an three years ago he become judge in training. The judiciary was not satisfied with its internal functioning and had already taken the decision that Van der S. must stop with it . There was another place within the judiciary searched for him and Van der S. did all no more lawsuits. so he did lawsuits ! why did they take that decision ? because he is a gambler ? because his son use drugs ? or was there more ? declarations against his son because of rapes ? Johan, I don't think Paul had been there but 8 years but that was planty of time to gain powerful friemdships in Prosecutors office, the Judicialry, and Aruban Police Department. In fact we know he had close friends in each of these departments. He was very close friends with Jan van der Straten in ALE, who just happened to be assigned as lead detective on the case. He was very close friends with Ben Vocking who worked for Karin Jannsen in the prosecutor's office. And of course he worked with and was acquainted with all of the Dutch judges in the Netherland Antilles judicial system. Joran had already has three rape charges leveled against him by underage girls before Natalee went missing and we know damn well he is a huge drug user. How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 12, 2008, 03:54:35 PM I want to see this new witness paraded on USA TV EVERY night for the next 50 years. I want our
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 12, 2008, 04:02:18 PM DaY Hiker i think that there are higher powers and they all want to close this case asap I think also H powers here in Holland They don't like the boycott at all there in Aruba Holland send someone to Aruba who is suspected of fraud (karin Janssen ) and now mos and again no action ! paul vd Sloot Van der S. lived since 17 years on the island an three years ago he become judge in training. The judiciary was not satisfied with its internal functioning and had already taken the decision that Van der S. must stop with it . There was another place within the judiciary searched for him and Van der S. did all no more lawsuits. so he did lawsuits ! why did they take that decision ? because he is a gambler ? because his son use drugs ? or was there more ? declarations against his son because of rapes ? Johan, I don't think Paul had been there but 8 years but that was planty of time to gain powerful friemdships in Prosecutors office, the Judicialry, and Aruban Police Department. In fact we know he had close friends in each of these departments. He was very close friends with Jan van der Straten in ALE, who just happened to be assigned as lead detective on the case. He was very close friends with Ben Vocking who worked for Karin Jannsen in the prosecutor's office. And of course he worked with and was acquainted with all of the Dutch judges in the Netherland Antilles judicial system. Joran had already has three rape charges leveled against him by underage girls before Natalee went missing and we know damn well he is a huge drug user. How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income? that is a good one Dayhiker !! (How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income?) We all know he is a Bad poker player so it cost him money ! There are also rumors that he is/was a drugs dealer ,why was he hanging around the HI ? Or his income is : to bring female tourists to the Matt /Lion Den complex for Rape Movies ???? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blonde on September 12, 2008, 04:44:11 PM (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ffff2.jpg) (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/aruba1-1.jpg) thanks rob >>>>>>>>> panty boys is new for me ::MonkeyHaHa:: No he found them (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20Search/eyetvsnapshot208lj.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2008, 05:39:22 PM ::MonkeyShocked:: I always scare everyone off after my "out-on-a-limb" feelings! ::MonkeyHaHa:: LOL! It's not you, it's me! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Ya'll aren't scaring me off...just gotta book it back to work! I love Wreck's "out-on-a-limb" feelings! ::MonkeyCool:: are safe there in Texas >>> Texasmom ? Thanks for your concern! So far we are safe...most of the bad weather will move in later this evening and into tomorrow. My internet was down when I got home from work... ::MonkeyShocked:: My son had already called the company and they hope to have it back on soon, not sure if the problem is weather related or not. I'm afraid if we get much wind with the rain that we will lose electricity. I came back here to work so I could catch up...I had a very busy day so I couldn't read much at all except during my lunch. Hope all of our other Texas monkeys stay safe! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: coolhand on September 12, 2008, 05:41:43 PM I am freakin livid! Is there any way we can find a pitbull reporter that will hound the shit out of Aruba until these little bastards get theirs. I'd like to swim through IKE down to Aruba and kick Mos square in the balls!!! Klaas please tell me their is someone in the media who will champion this cause!
cool hand with major red ass Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2008, 05:57:23 PM I am freakin livid! Is there any way we can find a pitbull reporter that will hound the shit out of Aruba until these little bastards get theirs. I'd like to swim through IKE down to Aruba and kick Mos square in the balls!!! Klaas please tell me their is someone in the media who will champion this cause! cool hand with major red ass Jossy will be publishing part II in Diario on Monday. Jossy and Tim Miller will both be on the Dana Pretzer show tonight. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 12, 2008, 06:06:29 PM I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game."
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 12, 2008, 06:12:26 PM I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game." so are you indicating that the Persistence found her in a trap or another scenario? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 12, 2008, 06:12:57 PM I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game." self edit Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 12, 2008, 06:14:31 PM I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game." she are you indicating that the Persistence found her in a trap or another scenario? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 12, 2008, 06:31:46 PM CAPS, are you here, do you have something new????
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2008, 07:21:52 PM DON'T MISS THE DANA PRETZER SHOW TONIGHT - 9PM ET
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/12/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-friday-september-12-2008-dana-introduces-justice-interrupted-tonight-with-stacy-dittrich-susan-murphy-milano-and-robin-sax-also-tim-miller-of/ The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Friday, September 12, 2008 - Dana Introduces “Justice Interrupted” Tonight With Stacy Dittrich, Susan Murphy-Milano and Robin Sax. Also Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch and Jossy Mansur of Diario Discuss New News In The Natalee Holloway Case Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 07:48:29 PM Well, after further contemplation -- I am even more confident that we are finally near resolution. Don't let Tim's departure discourage you. I just don't think Tim would have gone down there unless they already had ALL their ducks in a row. I think this was one last effort to let Mos (et al) come clean. Apparently it is the same old BS from the local Arubans. My gut feeling is this was their last chance or face going down with the ship. I think this has been essentially solved since about March. JMO! Heh Wreck... I've been contemplating as well... you just HAVE to believe that Tim and the rest of the gang know full well by now what to expect from Mos and ALE. So I don't think they expected a search to be allowed. Why would they start cooperating now? I have to believe they have this thing all planned and staged knowing what to anticipate. Careful Aruba - the cowboys are "onto" your system now. I think Tim made a courtesy visit to Mos to ask permission because it is the right thing to do. But I think they already had a Plan B in mind knowing Mos would be Mos. Now I'm waiting for Plan B. Maybe that's why the story was partially disclosed in the Diario. I can hope..... This is exactly what is happening...they gave them one more chance..now it's time for the you know what to hit the fan....it's coming...I just feel it... I said I would not get excited about this...I told myself I wouldn't do it...but I can hope this is the last time Mos can say he doesn't have enough evidence.... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 07:49:37 PM I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game." Move over I want to sit on your limb with you... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 08:39:36 PM Well, after further contemplation -- I am even more confident that we are finally near resolution. Don't let Tim's departure discourage you. I just don't think Tim would have gone down there unless they already had ALL their ducks in a row. I think this was one last effort to let Mos (et al) come clean. Apparently it is the same old BS from the local Arubans. My gut feeling is this was their last chance or face going down with the ship. I think this has been essentially solved since about March. JMO! Heh Wreck... I've been contemplating as well... you just HAVE to believe that Tim and the rest of the gang know full well by now what to expect from Mos and ALE. So I don't think they expected a search to be allowed. Why would they start cooperating now? I have to believe they have this thing all planned and staged knowing what to anticipate. Careful Aruba - the cowboys are "onto" your system now. I think Tim made a courtesy visit to Mos to ask permission because it is the right thing to do. But I think they already had a Plan B in mind knowing Mos would be Mos. Now I'm waiting for Plan B. Maybe that's why the story was partially disclosed in the Diario. I can hope..... This is exactly what is happening...they gave them one more chance..now it's time for the you know what to hit the fan....it's coming...I just feel it... I said I would not get excited about this...I told myself I wouldn't do it...but I can hope this is the last time Mos can say he doesn't have enough evidence.... Joran's confession and Hans Mos' consequent lack of action, combined with Judge Smid's automatic rejection of it as evidence, exposed to the world the corruptness of their system. I hope Tim provides the tipping point to prove that the entire Dutch system as practiced in Aruba is a complete farce and abuses human rights. How Holland has stood by and watched this favoritism and human rights abuse go on for 3 1/2 years is beyond me. It is obvious and appalling. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2008, 08:44:35 PM I've had to resort to son's laptop and dialup...it sucks! ::MonkeyWaa::
Just wanted to say "Amen" Dayhiker! Could someone please post the easiest link to Dana's show....still not sure I'll be able to do it, I am trodding in unfamiliar territory here for sure! Am I already missing the show...it seems like it's taken hours to get here. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 08:53:39 PM that is a good one Dayhiker !! (How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income?) We all know he is a Bad poker player so it cost him money ! There are also rumors that he is/was a drugs dealer ,why was he hanging around the HI ? Or his income is : to bring female tourists to the Matt /Lion Den complex for Rape Movies ???? Johan, one of the first things that came out in the press was that Natalee was kidnapped by a drug dealer. Then we found out that Joran was on the FBI/DEA watch list when he checked into US Customs on his trip to New York City. Since then we have found out through Patrick von Emm tapes that not only is he a heavy drug user, his chief ambition in life is to be a high stakes drug dealer. Fold that together with the fact that there are many indicators that say Natalee was drugged by Joran, he was gambling and supporting his drug habits with no visible means of income, his legal bills were obviously fronted by someone who has much more money that his parents can afford, his US lawyer is a well-known MAFIA attorney and, well, it's not far fetched to think that not only was he dealing drugs but he and his father were involved in money laundering as well. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 08:58:13 PM I've had to resort to son's laptop and dialup...it sucks! ::MonkeyWaa:: Just wanted to say "Amen" Dayhiker! Could someone please post the easiest link to Dana's show....still not sure I'll be able to do it, I am trodding in unfamiliar territory here for sure! Am I already missing the show...it seems like it's taken hours to get here. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Texmom, go to the front page and in the upper right hand corner there is a box with pic of a monkey with earphones on. Just hit that box and it'll link you there. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 12, 2008, 08:58:41 PM DON'T MISS THE DANA PRETZER SHOW TONIGHT - 9PM ET http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/12/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-friday-september-12-2008-dana-introduces-justice-interrupted-tonight-with-stacy-dittrich-susan-murphy-milano-and-robin-sax-also-tim-miller-of/ The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Friday, September 12, 2008 - Dana Introduces “Justice Interrupted” Tonight With Stacy Dittrich, Susan Murphy-Milano and Robin Sax. Also Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch and Jossy Mansur of Diario Discuss New News In The Natalee Holloway Case BUMPPPPPPPP ON NOW Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2008, 09:01:57 PM DANA PRETZER NOW!
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u Jossy will be on and Tim Miller unless the weather in Houston is too bad Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2008, 09:03:22 PM ::MonkeyWaa:: I knew it...I've missed it! Now I'm really mad at my internet provider. I guess it should have been a sign when "his wife" couldn't give me an approximate down time. ugghhh
THANKS Dayhiker! ::MonkeyCool:: And Nut 44x4! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 09:09:26 PM ::MonkeyWaa:: I knew it...I've missed it! Now I'm really mad at my internet provider. I guess it should have been a sign when "his wife" couldn't give me an approximate down time. ugghhh THANKS Dayhiker! ::MonkeyCool:: And Nut 44x4! ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: @ you internet provider's wifey. The three ladies are on right now and it's a very good interview. Go Dana! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 12, 2008, 09:09:37 PM DANA PRETZER NOW! http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u Jossy will be on and Tim Miller unless the weather in Houston is too bad BUMPING TO PAGE 34 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 09:12:08 PM Joran's confession and Hans Mos' consequent lack of action, combined with Judge Smid's automatic rejection of it as evidence, exposed to the world the corruptness of their system. I hope Tim provides the tipping point to prove that the entire Dutch system as practiced in Aruba is a complete farce and abuses human rights. How Holland has stood by and watched this favoritism and human rights abuse go on for 3 1/2 years is beyond me. It is obvious and appalling. The bigger they are...,the harder they fall. The are slowly being backed into the corner (of no return). It will not be pretty. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyRoll:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 09:12:44 PM Joran's confession and Hans Mos' consequent lack of action, combined with Judge Smid's automatic rejection of it as evidence, exposed to the world the corruptness of their system. I hope Tim provides the tipping point to prove that the entire Dutch system as practiced in Aruba is a complete farce and abuses human rights. How Holland has stood by and watched this favoritism and human rights abuse go on for 3 1/2 years is beyond me. It is obvious and appalling. The bigger they are...,the harder they fall. They are slowly being backed into the corner (of no return). It will not be pretty. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyRoll:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 09:15:10 PM DaY Hiker Johan, I don't think Paul had been there but 8 years but that was planty of time to gain powerful friemdships in Prosecutors office, the Judicialry, and Aruban Police Department. In fact we know he had close friends in each of these departments. He was very close friends with Jan van der Straten in ALE, who just happened to be assigned as lead detective on the case. He was very close friends with Ben Vocking who worked for Karin Jannsen in the prosecutor's office. And of course he worked with and was acquainted with all of the Dutch judges in the Netherland Antilles judicial system. Joran had already has three rape charges leveled against him by underage girls before Natalee went missing and we know damn well he is a huge drug user. How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income? Well said, Dayhiker!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 09:18:44 PM that is a good one Dayhiker !! (How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income?) We all know he is a Bad poker player so it cost him money ! There are also rumors that he is/was a drugs dealer ,why was he hanging around the HI ? Or his income is : to bring female tourists to the Matt /Lion Den complex for Rape Movies ???? Johan, one of the first things that came out in the press was that Natalee was kidnapped by a drug dealer. Then we found out that Joran was on the FBI/DEA watch list when he checked into US Customs on his trip to New York City. Since then we have found out through Patrick von Emm tapes that not only is he a heavy drug user, his chief ambition in life is to be a high stakes drug dealer. Fold that together with the fact that there are many indicators that say Natalee was drugged by Joran, he was gambling and supporting his drug habits with no visible means of income, his legal bills were obviously fronted by someone who has much more money that his parents can afford, his US lawyer is a well-known MAFIA attorney and, well, it's not far fetched to think that not only was he dealing drugs but he and his father were involved in money laundering as well. Then we found out that Joran was on the FBI/DEA watch list when he checked into US Customs on his trip to New York City. (I did not know this) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 09:22:34 PM I am willing to bet Mos will not act this time...as far as they are concerned Joran told what happened and that is all there is to it. They didn't believe the gardener...they won't believe this witness....oh why am I so cynical? I just hate being that way....I really do.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 09:25:57 PM Joran's confession and Hans Mos' consequent lack of action, combined with Judge Smid's automatic rejection of it as evidence, exposed to the world the corruptness of their system. I hope Tim provides the tipping point to prove that the entire Dutch system as practiced in Aruba is a complete farce and abuses human rights. How Holland has stood by and watched this favoritism and human rights abuse go on for 3 1/2 years is beyond me. It is obvious and appalling. The bigger they are...,the harder they fall. The are slowly being backed into the corner (of no return). It will not be pretty. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyRoll:: I guess the Mafia will have to write off all the Sloots' legal bills, Buckeye. Fat chance either of the two Sloot men will be making a paycheck (not that Joran ever made one) in prison and fat chance that fat Anita can make it the payments off that turd-smeared-chicken-scratch she calls her "art." Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 09:31:19 PM that is a good one Dayhiker !! (How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income?) We all know he is a Bad poker player so it cost him money ! There are also rumors that he is/was a drugs dealer ,why was he hanging around the HI ? Or his income is : to bring female tourists to the Matt /Lion Den complex for Rape Movies ???? Johan, one of the first things that came out in the press was that Natalee was kidnapped by a drug dealer. Then we found out that Joran was on the FBI/DEA watch list when he checked into US Customs on his trip to New York City. Since then we have found out through Patrick von Emm tapes that not only is he a heavy drug user, his chief ambition in life is to be a high stakes drug dealer. Fold that together with the fact that there are many indicators that say Natalee was drugged by Joran, he was gambling and supporting his drug habits with no visible means of income, his legal bills were obviously fronted by someone who has much more money that his parents can afford, his US lawyer is a well-known MAFIA attorney and, well, it's not far fetched to think that not only was he dealing drugs but he and his father were involved in money laundering as well. Then we found out that Joran was on the FBI/DEA watch list when he checked into US Customs on his trip to New York City. (I did not know this) Yep. He was held for 2 1/2 hours by US Customs when he arrived in NYC for his ABC News interview because he was on The Watch List. You don't get on there by being a suspect in a kidnapping/murder investigation. You get on there by being a suspected drug dealer, money launderer, convicted felon, terrorist, etc. in a US government case. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 09:35:32 PM SS I called the Dutch Consulate this morning in both LA and Chicago. They asked for an email and said it might take a little while to respond. number 312-856-0110 and 1877-DUTCHHELP - 1-877-388-2443. These numbers are both answered by an after hours service... but luvre that accent. Email address is nfo@dutchhelp.com She said if I didn't hear back by later today to call back. Thanks Rob. A big kiss for you!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 09:36:58 PM Johan, one of the first things that came out in the press was that Natalee was kidnapped by a drug dealer. Then we found out that Joran was on the FBI/DEA watch list when he checked into US Customs on his trip to New York City. Since then we have found out through Patrick von Emm tapes that not only is he a heavy drug user, his chief ambition in life is to be a high stakes drug dealer. Fold that together with the fact that there are many indicators that say Natalee was drugged by Joran, he was gambling and supporting his drug habits with no visible means of income, his legal bills were obviously fronted by someone who has much more money that his parents can afford, his US lawyer is a well-known MAFIA attorney and, well, it's not far fetched to think that not only was he dealing drugs but he and his father were involved in money laundering as well. Then we found out that Joran was on the FBI/DEA watch list when he checked into US Customs on his trip to New York City. (I did not know this) And let me just add Buckshot that Congressman Spencer Bachus said that they knew immediately that this was "not the case of a runaway girl", indicating that Joran (and Paulus) may have been on the FBI Watch List BEFORE Natalee ever went missing. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 09:40:16 PM DaY Hiker Johan, I don't think Paul had been there but 8 years but that was planty of time to gain powerful friemdships in Prosecutors office, the Judicialry, and Aruban Police Department. In fact we know he had close friends in each of these departments. He was very close friends with Jan van der Straten in ALE, who just happened to be assigned as lead detective on the case. He was very close friends with Ben Vocking who worked for Karin Jannsen in the prosecutor's office. And of course he worked with and was acquainted with all of the Dutch judges in the Netherland Antilles judicial system. Joran had already has three rape charges leveled against him by underage girls before Natalee went missing and we know damn well he is a huge drug user. How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income? Well said, Dayhiker!!! Did I read somewhere that Jan van der Stratten is Godfather to the youngest Sloot? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 09:44:30 PM I am willing to bet Mos will not act this time...as far as they are concerned Joran told what happened and that is all there is to it. They didn't believe the gardener...they won't believe this witness....oh why am I so cynical? I just hate being that way....I really do. Your attitude is well founded Lalas. They have shot down every witness since the beginning of the case, suppressed the testimony (such as that of of the three girls who have lodged date rape drug cases against Joran) of witnesses through intimidation, lost evidence that could have been pertinent to the case, and refused to interrogate suspects who are members of the Dutch elite class. You should be cynical, there is no reason to have any faith in the Aruba/Dutch legal, law enforcement or judicial systems in the Netherland Antilles. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 09:46:39 PM DaY Hiker Johan, I don't think Paul had been there but 8 years but that was planty of time to gain powerful friemdships in Prosecutors office, the Judicialry, and Aruban Police Department. In fact we know he had close friends in each of these departments. He was very close friends with Jan van der Straten in ALE, who just happened to be assigned as lead detective on the case. He was very close friends with Ben Vocking who worked for Karin Jannsen in the prosecutor's office. And of course he worked with and was acquainted with all of the Dutch judges in the Netherland Antilles judicial system. Joran had already has three rape charges leveled against him by underage girls before Natalee went missing and we know damn well he is a huge drug user. How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income? Well said, Dayhiker!!! Did I read somewhere that Jan van der Stratten is Godfather to the youngest Sloot? There were rumors that Van der Straten was Joran's godfather, but the truth is if you're Dutch in Aruba everybody in the legal and judicial system is your godfather. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 09:47:15 PM I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game." I was thinking about that today and wondered if ALE moved her again after we started talking about the Masonic cemetery a few months ago. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 12, 2008, 09:49:24 PM SS .... I am not sure that was proven fact ... I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 09:51:30 PM I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game." Move over I want to sit on your limb with you... Move over a little more. I have a skinny a$$ so I won't take up much room. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 09:52:14 PM Dana is back with Jossy.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 09:52:59 PM I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game." I was thinking about that today and wondered if ALE moved her again after we started talking about the Masonic cemetery a few months ago. SS, I think they would have destroyed any evidence a long time ago. Look at the fact that they didn't find a single strand of Natalee's hair or a single fabric sample of her clothing in Deepak's car. That is impossible in the forensics world, but even more unlikely if Natalee was in the condition the three suspects described. This shows how early on the so-called investigators were destroying evidence. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 09:54:09 PM Telling witness story...saw a white male walking in direction of Aruba hotel....wearing only one shoe.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2008, 09:54:21 PM JOSSY ON NOW! DANA PRETZER
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 09:54:44 PM Witness said he observed car driving very slow coming from the hotel area with the same person that he saw walking in car.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 09:55:14 PM Jossy says that man driving red jeep was Paulus...well he said his father.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 09:56:02 PM Jossy says Mos does not believe in polygraph tests.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 09:56:25 PM Jossy says the found a shoe when they drained the pond!! ::MonkeyShocked::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 09:57:35 PM The witness did not know it was Joran and Paulus that night and when he saw the news he knew who it was.
The prosecutor is trying to discredit him... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2008, 09:58:09 PM Jossy says the found a shoe when they drained the pond!! ::MonkeyShocked:: WHO has that shoe? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 09:58:34 PM the witness was scared off in some way by Mos...Jossy says it is a game Mos is playing. He says he is going to get to the bottom of this.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 09:58:55 PM Jossy says the found a shoe when they drained the pond!! ::MonkeyShocked:: WHO has that shoe? Turned over to ALE. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 09:59:40 PM That's all folks...with Jossy.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 10:00:55 PM Jossy says the found a shoe when they drained the pond!! ::MonkeyShocked:: WHO has that shoe? Turned over to ALE. ::MonkeyNoNo:: YET ANOTHER CASE OF MISSING EVIDENCE, THIS TIME ON HANS MOS' WATCH. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 12, 2008, 10:02:06 PM That's all folks...with Jossy. Thank you Dana, and Lalas for the updates!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 10:02:32 PM Which shoe was found and posted in Diaro?? Right or left??? ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: A-1 - Please, please, please don't bring up the sneakers again. ::MonkeyLaugh:: We did sneakers for weeks. We had every picture of sneakers that were made in 2005. We looked at every shoe the Urine wore for for half of his life. Destiny contacted shoe manufacturers. OMG, I will crack up if we go there again. I think we came to the conlcusion that he was wearing a pair of white Nikes like the ones that Rob says he has bought dozens of over the years. If I recall, the sneaker that was found was like one that Urine wore during a TV interview, but the sneaker that was found was probably a plant that had nothing to do with Urine. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 10:03:30 PM This does not sound like anything is going to happen with Mos and this witness....it seems he does not think he is credible. I know he met with Mos more than once and still Mos does not think he's telling the truth.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2008, 10:03:50 PM Looks like they can't get ahold on Tim Miller because of the weather.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2008, 10:04:20 PM GREAT SHOW DANA!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 10:05:06 PM Jossy said there was a shoe found in the drained pond...and it was given to ALE> He did not say who removed it...just that it was given to them.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Magnolia on September 12, 2008, 10:05:33 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would
need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: MuffyBee on September 12, 2008, 10:07:16 PM Great show, Dana! ::MonkeyDance:: Thank you Stacie, Susan and Robin with Justice Interrupted and thank you Jossy Mansur. I'm sorry we didn't get to hear from Tim Miller from TES. I hope he is staying safe.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 10:09:59 PM I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game." I was thinking about that today and wondered if ALE moved her again after we started talking about the Masonic cemetery a few months ago. SS, I think they would have destroyed any evidence a long time ago. Look at the fact that they didn't find a single strand of Natalee's hair or a single fabric sample of her clothing in Deepak's car. That is impossible in the forensics world, but even more unlikely if Natalee was in the condition the three suspects described. This shows how early on the so-called investigators were destroying evidence. Instead of collecting and preserving evidence, they were collecting and destroying it. Likewise, instead of preserving crime scenes, they were contaminating(dump) or professionally cleaning them. Sounds like an oxymoron, doesn't it?? Those, on the surface, who were searching for clues and evidence... were actually, behind the scenes, making it disappear. It was a well coordinated effort on their part, but unfortunately, it did not go un-noticed. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 10:12:26 PM Posted on: 1:37 pm, May 31, 2005
Save Save Just wanted to warn everyone: My best friend and her husband chaperoned a senior trip of 160 kids down to Aruba, and she returned last night. Her husband had to stay b/c they think that one of the girls was kidnapped, and is possibly in Venezuela now. Her parents flew down, and the State Dept., DEA and several other groups are involved now. She left with a guy from Carlos and Charlie's, and the cops found out that he is a local drug dealer. Just wanted to let everyone know to please stay safe. If anyone in Aruba has any info., please let me know. I should know more later today. Just please say a prayer. http://tinyurl.com/3zw3ds I wonder which Sloot offspring they were referring to - Urine or Lorenzo? Is Lorenzo the cool and crazy guy from earlier in the week - the 5th suspect???? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 12, 2008, 10:14:07 PM That's all folks...with Jossy. Thank you Dana, and Lalas for the updates!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Ditto! [ Didn't get to listen. ] Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: San on September 12, 2008, 10:15:28 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Unfortunately I feel you have to fight fire with fire. When someone decides to expose everyone in the video they made they will do anything not to make it public. It will crush Aruba. JMO Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 10:16:11 PM I still wonder, sometimes, how the rock scene plays in to this case.
Also, I am not sure that the body is capable of recovery as it may have been destroyed. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 12, 2008, 10:18:34 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Unfortunately I feel you have to fight fire with fire. When someone decides to expose everyone in the video they made they will do anything not to make it public. It will crush Aruba. JMO So who do you all think has the video made at the Apartment? My guess would be the Kalpoes. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 10:19:59 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Well to Mos they don't jive...the confession was on the beach and the witness saw him at a pond. So that is Mos excuse this time, I suppose. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 10:20:04 PM I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game." I was thinking about that today and wondered if ALE moved her again after we started talking about the Masonic cemetery a few months ago. SS, I think they would have destroyed any evidence a long time ago. Look at the fact that they didn't find a single strand of Natalee's hair or a single fabric sample of her clothing in Deepak's car. That is impossible in the forensics world, but even more unlikely if Natalee was in the condition the three suspects described. This shows how early on the so-called investigators were destroying evidence. Instead of collecting and preserving evidence, they were collecting and destroying it. Likewise, instead of preserving crime scenes, they were contaminating(dump) or professionally cleaning them. Sounds like an oxymoron, doesn't it?? Those, on the surface, who were searching for clues and evidence... were actually, behind the scenes, making it disappear. It was a well coordinated effort on their part, but unfortunately, it did not go un-noticed. I think that you are right on the money. Didn't Rob, Carpe, and a few others compare lots and lots of photographs and came to the conclusion that the Honda sent to Holland was not the actual Honda owned by Deepak? It was a different car. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 10:21:22 PM Wonder if Paulus and Anita made popcorn for Dana's program tonight ???
Hope, for safety purposes, that this courageous witness is well protected. The next time you see Paulus, he will driving a blue jeep.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 10:22:49 PM Jossy says the found a shoe when they drained the pond!! ::MonkeyShocked:: Yes!!! And this is exactly what we had suspected and predicted all along while ALE refused to even confrim that they had examined the pond. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: San on September 12, 2008, 10:24:38 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Unfortunately I feel you have to fight fire with fire. When someone decides to expose everyone in the video they made they will do anything not to make it public. It will crush Aruba. JMO So who do you all think has the video made at the Apartment? My guess would be the Kalpoes. I always thought Deepak had a copy. Paulus made a trip to Florida and we all think it was to retrieve the video. So who ever he got the video from must have a copy. SOMEONE WILL GET CAUGHT IN A CRIME AND THEY WILL OFFER THAT VIDEO UP. IF THE FBI DOESN'T HAVE A COPY ALREADY. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: San on September 12, 2008, 10:26:09 PM Wonder if Paulus and Anita made popcorn for Dana's program tonight ??? Hope, for safety purposes, that this courageous witness is well protected. The next time you see Paulus, he will driving a blue jeep.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyConfused:: Yeah and if the windows are closed he will be drowning in his own sweat. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 10:26:21 PM Very, very early on in the case (a day or two later), there was slight buzz on RWV and perhaps only one cable station, in the form of a brief aside, that a shoe was unmatched in Joran's closet and a friend was supposedly trying to shop for a match to his lost shoe in local nearby stores.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Magnolia on September 12, 2008, 10:27:39 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Well to Mos they don't jive...the confession was on the beach and the witness saw him at a pond. So that is Mos excuse this time, I suppose. So pick one. He said either or. Supposedly there is yet another confession out there that has not been made public. Joran made another confession since he has been in Thailand. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 10:28:56 PM Wonder if Paulus and Anita made popcorn for Dana's program tonight ??? Hope, for safety purposes, that this courageous witness is well protected. The next time you see Paulus, he will driving a blue jeep.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyConfused:: Yeah and if the windows are closed he will be drowning in his own sweat. Anita will be riding shotgun in a see-through blouse. Joran will be in the backseat smoking a doob... ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 10:30:04 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Unfortunately I feel you have to fight fire with fire. When someone decides to expose everyone in the video they made they will do anything not to make it public. It will crush Aruba. JMO So who do you all think has the video made at the Apartment? My guess would be the Kalpoes. Maybe it's in Miami. I think that there are probably mutliple copies of the tape or DVD. My guess is that it's in a few safety deposit boxes. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 10:32:09 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Well to Mos they don't jive...the confession was on the beach and the witness saw him at a pond. So that is Mos excuse this time, I suppose. So pick one. He said either or. Supposedly there is yet another confession out there that has not been made public. Joran made another confession since he has been in Thailand. Well, I will say this...if the reason they denied Paulus compensation was due to someone seeing Paulus at the ATM in the jeep and this witness says he saw him too..then that tome is corroborating evidence. But Mos won't see it that way...as far as he is concerned Joran said he was on the beach and she died accidentally that night. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 10:32:37 PM Han Mos will be popped like a bad pimple. It is a metter of time.
And when he pops, someone should email Shango to warn, in the form of a riddle, of falling cards... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 10:34:12 PM Until the Kalpoes are squeezed we will never know what happened.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 12, 2008, 10:34:35 PM Any chance this will end up a human rights case in the Hague kinda like that Matthews guy?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 10:40:16 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Well to Mos they don't jive...the confession was on the beach and the witness saw him at a pond. So that is Mos excuse this time, I suppose. So pick one. He said either or. Supposedly there is yet another confession out there that has not been made public. Joran made another confession since he has been in Thailand. Well, I will say this...if the reason they denied Paulus compensation was due to someone seeing Paulus at the ATM in the jeep and this witness says he saw him too..then that tome is corroborating evidence. But Mos won't see it that way...as far as he is concerned Joran said he was on the beach and she died accidentally that night. Never thought of that, very good point. Corroboration. Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am. Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am. Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night. The operator was definitley not soundly sleeping in his bed as reported. He did not seem to remember a phone call in the middle of the night. Passenger was definitely not home looking at porn @315am. Passenger did not ride home in a Honda. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 10:42:08 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Unfortunately I feel you have to fight fire with fire. When someone decides to expose everyone in the video they made they will do anything not to make it public. It will crush Aruba. JMO So who do you all think has the video made at the Apartment? My guess would be the Kalpoes. I always thought Deepak had a copy. Paulus made a trip to Florida and we all think it was to retrieve the video. So who ever he got the video from must have a copy. SOMEONE WILL GET CAUGHT IN A CRIME AND THEY WILL OFFER THAT VIDEO UP. IF THE FBI DOESN'T HAVE A COPY ALREADY. I agree that eventually that tape will emerge, either intentionally or accidently. I wouldn't be surprised if it's already being used for blackmail. There are lots of people on that tape and from what we learned Natalee was not the only female. There was "Mary and Mary who was not a virgin aka JR". Could you imagine if the video turns up 75 years from now with a bunch of old junk in a garage sale on Aruba. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 10:43:56 PM Until the Kalpoes are squeezed we will never know what happened. Makes ya wonder just how they fit in to this whole thing... Drug administrator, present during expiration, OR self-employed as midnight coroners. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 10:44:48 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Well to Mos they don't jive...the confession was on the beach and the witness saw him at a pond. So that is Mos excuse this time, I suppose. So pick one. He said either or. Supposedly there is yet another confession out there that has not been made public. Joran made another confession since he has been in Thailand. Well, I will say this...if the reason they denied Paulus compensation was due to someone seeing Paulus at the ATM in the jeep and this witness says he saw him too..then that tome is corroborating evidence. But Mos won't see it that way...as far as he is concerned Joran said he was on the beach and she died accidentally that night. Never thought of that, very good point. Corroboration. Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am. Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am. Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night. The operator was definitley not soundly sleeping in his bed as reported. He did not seem to remember a phone call in the middle of the night. Passenger was definitely not home looking at porn @315am. Passenger did not ride home in a Honda. Someone saw Paulass at the ATM and I think some MB kids saw Paulass and Urine near McDonalds around 4 AM. Paulass was definitely putting some mileage on the car that night. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 10:51:08 PM DaY Hiker Johan, I don't think Paul had been there but 8 years but that was planty of time to gain powerful friemdships in Prosecutors office, the Judicialry, and Aruban Police Department. In fact we know he had close friends in each of these departments. He was very close friends with Jan van der Straten in ALE, who just happened to be assigned as lead detective on the case. He was very close friends with Ben Vocking who worked for Karin Jannsen in the prosecutor's office. And of course he worked with and was acquainted with all of the Dutch judges in the Netherland Antilles judicial system. Joran had already has three rape charges leveled against him by underage girls before Natalee went missing and we know damn well he is a huge drug user. How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income? Well said, Dayhiker!!! Did I read somewhere that Jan van der Stratten is Godfather to the youngest Sloot? There were rumors that Van der Straten was Joran's godfather, but the truth is if you're Dutch in Aruba everybody in the legal and judicial system is your godfather. ::MonkeyHaHa:: It might be worse than Sicily. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: memphis on September 12, 2008, 10:52:13 PM Are you all speculating about the film? Wht exactly did you find out about the matty apts, a film, etc.?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 10:59:06 PM Any chance this will end up a human rights case in the Hague kinda like that Matthews guy? Interesting you should say that...because Caps mentioned just that thing to me within the first month he was here. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 10:59:39 PM Hans Mos' excuse will be this publicly...
We learned of a gardener. He was proved a liar. We learned of a dump witness. He was proved a lair. We learned of a car confession. It was proved a lie. We learned of this witness. He, too, will be proved a liar. We just can't arrest on each random tip that we receive. We will have to investigate further. Blah, blah, blah... The question is this... Proved lies/liars by whom? THE ALE. The gardener's story may not be so far-fetched after all. A car full of boys with a drugged Natalee slightly before Joran was spotted covered in mud. Were the witnesses (Kalpoes) of the crime paid a few bucks to help out, while keeping their mouths shut. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 12, 2008, 10:59:57 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Well to Mos they don't jive...the confession was on the beach and the witness saw him at a pond. So that is Mos excuse this time, I suppose. So pick one. He said either or. Supposedly there is yet another confession out there that has not been made public. Joran made another confession since he has been in Thailand. Well, I will say this...if the reason they denied Paulus compensation was due to someone seeing Paulus at the ATM in the jeep and this witness says he saw him too..then that tome is corroborating evidence. But Mos won't see it that way...as far as he is concerned Joran said he was on the beach and she died accidentally that night. Never thought of that, very good point. Corroboration. Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am. Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am. Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night. The operator was definitley not soundly sleeping in his bed as reported. He did not seem to remember a phone call in the middle of the night. Passenger was definitely not home looking at porn @315am. Passenger did not ride home in a Honda. Right. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 12, 2008, 11:02:02 PM IMO, something is up because Julia Renfro/Glenda, the one with the personal "she's not involved" letter, from Hans Mos, has been sent out to post again. Either the island is concerned....or....she just got out of rehab again...and that explains her previous absence.... ::MonkeyNoNo::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 11:04:49 PM Hans Mos' excuse will be this publicly... We learned of a gardener. He was proved a liar. (They bullied this witness right in front of our eyes. Did everything they could to discredit home. Even threatened and/or esecuted deportation papers. This guy probably has a death certificate by now. No one has heard of him since) We learned of a dump witness. He was proved a lair. We learned of a car confession. It was proved a lie. We learned of this witness. He, too, will be proved a liar. (Wonder if Paulus has driven by the street light, where Joran was spotted, so as to determine which home resident observed him, his vehicle, and Joran at such a late/early hour) We just can't arrest on each random tip that we receive. We will have to investigate further. Blah, blah, blah... The question is this... Proved lies/liars by whom? THE ALE. The gardener's story may not be so far-fetched after all. A car full of boys with a drugged Natalee slightly before Joran was spotted covered in mud. Were the witnesses (Kalpoes) of the crime paid a few bucks to help out, while keeping their mouths shut. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 11:06:57 PM Hans Mos' excuse will be this publicly... We learned of a gardener. He was proved a liar. (They bullied this witness right in front of our eyes. Did everything they could to discredit him. Even threatened and/or esecuted deportation papers. This guy probably has a death certificate by now. No one has heard of him since) We learned of a dump witness. He was proved a lair. We learned of a car confession. It was proved a lie. We learned of this witness. He, too, will be proved a liar. (Wonder if Paulus has driven by the street light, where Joran was spotted, so as to determine which home resident observed him, his vehicle, and Joran at such a late/early hour. He, or associates of his, may want to visit this guy.) We just can't arrest on each random tip that we receive. We will have to investigate further. Blah, blah, blah... The question is this... Proved lies/liars by whom? THE ALE. The gardener's story may not be so far-fetched after all. A car full of boys with a drugged Natalee slightly before Joran was spotted covered in mud. Were the witnesses (Kalpoes) of the crime paid a few bucks to help out, while keeping their mouths shut. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 12, 2008, 11:07:38 PM Any chance this will end up a human rights case in the Hague kinda like that Matthews guy? Interesting you should say that...because Caps mentioned just that thing to me within the first month he was here. At this point I don't see any other way to get Aruba's attention. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 12, 2008, 11:21:12 PM If young female American tourists were targets, I could see some sort of "hate crime" issue. Might rise to the international human rights level?? :smt102
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 11:21:59 PM Paulus was probably more important than Arubans led us to believe.
An awful lot of favors were called in, and executed, from a variety of people. (Judge to block search warrant, detectives to sabotage evidence, more than one prosecutor seemingly unwilling to prosecute, a judge to make favorable rulings, etc..) He was not some dumbass who could not pass the BAR exam. Will the real Paulus please stand up... (a) a drug dealer (b) the father of a drug dealer (c) a bribed offiical (d) very good friends with high-ranking and fellow Dutch elitists (e) money laundering expert (f) a combination of (a)-(e) If he was not important to them, somehow, he would have been taken down already. Aruba, as mentioned six million times, has gone to great lengths to abandon its legitimate source of income(tourism) by protecting those directly involved in the crime. Instead, more people became involved, purposefully, to protect a handful of people. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 12, 2008, 11:25:13 PM Paulus and Hans Mos are devising a plan, as we speak, to paint his jeep blue, drive to Diario headquarters, and burn it down. When they are done, they will paint the jeep yellow. They have learned their lesson. No one will notice. Switcheroo.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 12, 2008, 11:37:37 PM Paulus was probably more important than Arubans led us to believe. An awful lot of favors were called in, and executed, from a variety of people. (Judge to block search warrant, detectives to sabotage evidence, more than one prosecutor seemingly unwilling to prosecute, a judge to make favorable rulings, etc..) He was not some dumbass who could not pass the BAR exam. Will the real Paulus please stand up... (a) a drug dealer (b) the father of a drug dealer (c) a bribed offiical (d) very good friends with high-ranking and fellow Dutch elitists (e) money laundering expert (f) a combination of (a)-(e) If he was not important to them, somehow, he would have been taken down already. Aruba, as mentioned six million times, has gone to great lengths to abandon its legitimate source of income(tourism) by protecting those directly involved in the crime. Instead, more people became involved, purposefully, to protect a handful of people. Buckeye, I think you are correct. Paulass had been sucking up and doing favors as a wanna be judge for years. I also think that they are afraid to go after Paulass for fear that he will start singing and bring down a lot of other people with him. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Altruist on September 13, 2008, 12:45:30 AM IMO, the USA would be able to take action itself against a corrupt government with the documentation that the same corrupt government was turning a blind's eye regarding the hunting, raping & we know of at least once the murdering of an American tourist, the USA does not need the Hague. It may for some reason be decided that is an option.
IIRC, JVDS was identified by a HI staff member as identifying JVDS to Beth when located on the casino video, so in that instance it is not the Lorenzo that was being discussed at that time, it was JVDStoolscum. All of my prayers that I have said for the lovely Natalee Holloway have included that ALL of the CORRUPT involved with keeping her from her family be brought to bear their responsibility, be stripped of their assets & never more have any influence to repeat their offenses. What is really ironic when I think back on this horrible tragedy made worst with such corruption & lack of human decency is that MOST of those young adults that were stopped from going to this corrupt place by loving relatives, who may have even balked at their parents & relatives for denying them to go, WILL NEVER ALLOW THEIR CHILDREN in the future, so it is more than one or two decades that will keep their families far away from a place that deprives a family from knowing of their loved ones fate as well as hides the body, preventing the family from burying their loved one according to their religion for eternity & having a resting place to visit. FOR AS LONG AS SUCH HUMAN INDECENCY IS KNOWN/CONTINUED & Natalee Holloway & her family are disrespected, there will be no forgiving of these actions that are absolutely, undeniably shown as corrupt & institutional corruption, these actions were not only taken against the Holloway family but to other American families as well & on both sexes. American's are NOT SAFE, the have TARGETS on their backs on that vile island. JMHO Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 13, 2008, 02:38:27 AM ss I think that you are right on the money. Didn't Rob, Carpe, and a few others compare lots and lots of photographs and came to the conclusion that the Honda sent to Holland was not the actual Honda owned by Deepak? It was a different car. i saw on the Google shot that there is a car junk yard just behind the Matt app and Lions Den Maybe they change the car parts there or the whole car ? I think they have a " Car" register on Aruba and know how many ,age etc there are on Aruba Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 13, 2008, 03:39:45 AM Lorenzo has a house on the main road of Savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro.
Were is that other house in Seroe Alejandro ? it there a pic available ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 13, 2008, 04:10:33 AM Rob who lives here ? on the corner
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SANTAANACHURCH6.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 13, 2008, 05:40:20 AM SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) —feb 2008
Judges have rejected an attempt to re-arrest a Dutch college student in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, a prosecutor said Friday. An appeals court ruled Thursday that authorities do not have enough new evidence to arrest Joran van der Sloot for a third time, prosecutor Dop Kruimel told the Associated Press. But Kruimel said the three-judge panel decided his statements in the recording conflicted with some of his previous statements to investigators and other evidence in the case. three-judge panel :: who are these 3 judges ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2008, 06:16:43 AM IMO, the USA would be able to take action itself against a corrupt government with the documentation that the same corrupt government was turning a blind's eye regarding the hunting, raping & we know of at least once the murdering of an American tourist, the USA does not need the Hague. It may for some reason be decided that is an option. IIRC, JVDS was identified by a HI staff member as identifying JVDS to Beth when located on the casino video, so in that instance it is not the Lorenzo that was being discussed at that time, it was JVDStoolscum. All of my prayers that I have said for the lovely Natalee Holloway have included that ALL of the CORRUPT involved with keeping her from her family be brought to bear their responsibility, be stripped of their assets & never more have any influence to repeat their offenses. What is really ironic when I think back on this horrible tragedy made worst with such corruption & lack of human decency is that MOST of those young adults that were stopped from going to this corrupt place by loving relatives, who may have even balked at their parents & relatives for denying them to go, WILL NEVER ALLOW THEIR CHILDREN in the future, so it is more than one or two decades that will keep their families far away from a place that deprives a family from knowing of their loved ones fate as well as hides the body, preventing the family from burying their loved one according to their religion for eternity & having a resting place to visit. FOR AS LONG AS SUCH HUMAN INDECENCY IS KNOWN/CONTINUED & Natalee Holloway & her family are disrespected, there will be no forgiving of these actions that are absolutely, undeniably shown as corrupt & institutional corruption, these actions were not only taken against the Holloway family but to other American families as well & on both sexes. American's are NOT SAFE, the have TARGETS on their backs on that vile island. JMHO Loving Natalee Pages 39-40 It's hard for me to believe that it's still the same day I was on my way home from a wonderful family weekend at the lake. I'm supposed to be picking up Natalee and her friends at the airport in Birmingham right now, not in Aruba looking for her. We arrive at the Holiday Inn, get out of the van, and go inside the open-air lobby of the hotel. The coach and DEA agent are to our left, and we turn to walk toward them. Suddenly everything in my line of sight is overpowered by the image of Natalee's purple duffel bag sitting on the table next to him. My knees weaken as I continue to walk toward it and the coach. Staring at the bag, I don't reach over to it. Don't touch it. Can't. Her things immediately become sacred to me. The coach said he was uncomfortable leaving everything in her room unattended and brought her things to the lobby with him. I go straight to the DEA agent and begin telling him what we know. How there is nothing about Natalee's history and character that would explain why she is missing. How she has never been in any kind of trouble. I figure the best thing I can do is help this agent understand who she is. Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the front desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here. The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name. "Oh! Yes...yes...Joran. He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here. He likes to prey on young female tourists. Especially the blonds. He is tall. Good looking boy. Like a Dutch marine." My mouth drops wide open. "Where is he from?" I ask her. She replies, "He lives in Aruba." I stutter, "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?" "Non, non," she says. "He isn't staying at this hotel?" "Oh, non! Non, non..." It takes a few moments to absorb this information. The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them. He isn't a tourist. He isn't staying here. I experience a sinking feeling. My heart is in my throat. But I'm so perplexed by this revelation that I can't really process it. We try to figure out how to see what Joran looks like. If he isn't a guest here, then we have to figure out a way to find him, so that once we locate the police, we will be able to show them who Natalee was last seen with. Jug's nephew, Thomas, said he played cards with Joran in the casino. We ask if there are videotapes of the blackjack tables. Brenda at the front desk says that, since the Excelsior Casino operates seperately from the hotel, it will be difficult to locate someone at this hour to show us the footage from last night. Maybe tomorrow. skip to page 43 It takes about an hour to facilitate seeing the security footage. Scrolling through the videos we see images of Jug's nephew, Thomas, and immediately call him. He tells us he was sitting with Joran at a blackjack table at the Excelsior Casino last night, Sunday night, before everyone went to Carlos' n Charlie's. He describes the young man and the clothes he was wearing. We see Thomas and stop the tape. Over the phone we tell him what we see. He begins to describe Joran and where he is sitting. And bingo, there he is. Now we have a mental picture of him to go with his first name. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2008, 06:37:18 AM http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.msg153794
Chapter 1 of Joran's book: Island boy some facts/statements from the first chapter titled "Island boy" page 1 1. his parents had Joran when she was 30, something they choose to do because they first wanted to see something from the world before having their first child 2. he was conceived in Ecuador and his pregnant mother even traveled to Egypt while carrying him 3. she even went ice skating on a frozen lake while carrying him. She fell on the ice. 4. his dad at the time worked at the social legal aid office in Arnhem 5. his mother studied at the art academy and taught at the local Lorentz College 6. she is a painter and makes art/objects of art 7. they moved to Aruba when Joran was 2 years old 8. in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba. 9. they married at that time, not having done so because they so no need for a piece of paper stating they were wed. They did it to get easier visas to the island Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2008, 06:56:59 AM http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.msg153794
Chapter 4 - de pimps -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- actual title "de pimps" Page 1: - aged 16 I had already understood that to chat up girls on had to be "ballsy" - together with Freddy and Jaime Joran would trawl the beaches and swimming pools to chat up tourists - Joran knows exactly what to do, confidently walk up to a girl, chat her up a bit, hang around a bit and ask her out. Flirting and all smiles helps a lot. I you walk up to a group of girls with a few boys it is even easier - dutch boys hang around the bar drinking beer, they aren't up to "smooth talking" the girls. On Aruba there are a lot of hot tourist girls ready for a 1 night stand or holiday romance. If a girl doesn't take to you you will realize this pretty soon and move on. It is a lot easier than in the Netherlands. - American girls are the loosest/wildest of the lot, Joran thinks it is due to the fact that you can buy a drink here when you are under 21 (American drinking age). Joran says in Aruba you can order a drink if you barely are taller than the bar itself - tourists strip on the bar and join drinking shows. While girls squat, boys hold bottles of beer in front of their privates and girls drink from it. Everybody loves those things. page 2: - American girls are the easiest to get with from all the girls, then come local girls and after that dutch girls - he likes chatting up best in English - on the island girls too make the first moves on guys or show how they feel about guys by bumping and grooving into them at clubs. Also giving shows by kissing other girls in front of you. - the best way to make a girl trust you (and not think you are a local beach bum) is to tell them you are a tourist also. This way they do not think you are just trying to get them into the sack. The more often you try this "lie" the easier it gets to score from it. He would say however that he used to live on Aruba, that they still owned a place there and that this is the reason he knew all the good places to hang at - Freddy and a few of his friends called themselves "the pimpology crew". As a joke we used to call each other "pimp" when we were chatting up girls. - Joran also met a lot of girls through sites like: Tickle, MSN, Zorpia, Myspace, Hi5. On these sites Joran had his own page with pictures and some girls from the US and the Netherlands made contact with him through these sites and them agreed to meet him on the island. - He talks about visiting a girl from the US that he had met on Aruba. They had become friends. He had stayed there for a few weeks while going to a soccer camp in New Jersey Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 13, 2008, 07:23:57 AM there was a case Mansur VS Aruba
paul vd Sloot was the lawyer for Aruba what was that for case ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 13, 2008, 07:41:03 AM Press Freedom on Aruba ?
ARUBA During this period there were no serious incidents against press freedom in Aruba or in the Netherlands Antilles. The law on control of radio and television stations remains the same. This is an ancient law which still is in effect. But it has not been applied for the longest time. However, recently, a discussion arose between Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and Editor/.Publisher Jossy Mansur of Diario which ended in a court case. The Prime Minister and Mr. Mansur for quite a length of time, especially during the election campaigns have been in discussion. This year, at a certain moment during the campaign the P.M. asked all his party members not to place any advertisement of his party in the Diario. Mr. Mansur also says that the P.M. ordered to stop all government ads, but the latter has not happened. The ongoing disagreement between Mr. Mansur and the Prime Minister dates back at least 10 years. During the campaign four years ago, the P.M.’s party even had stickers made stating “Don’t believe Diario.” This situation is at present very delicate and warrants close attention as the P.M. and his party has won the elections and will be forming the new government. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 13, 2008, 07:58:20 AM on the NWO blog ::MonkeyHaHa::
Renee Gielen has on evidence bordering information that Joran is not the last who have seen the heavily drugged girl. The OM of Aruba and the Aruban police have several witnesses prohibited even longer to speak with Renee Gielen. were is that evidence RG ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2008, 08:09:48 AM http://www.awemainta.com/edicionan/1/pdf/31.pdf
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Dompig/DOMPIGShieldGroupNV09132008.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2008, 08:26:13 AM 9/6/08
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/THECLUBS/09062008.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2008, 08:43:55 AM http://www.awemainta.com/edicionan/1/pdf/31.pdf (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Dompig/DOMPIGShieldGroupNV09132008.jpg) Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 19 JULY 2006 under serial number 35062.0 is the company with the trade name: SHIELD GROUP N.V. Business address BOEGOEROEI 13-D, NOORD Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY Name of the company SHIELD GROUP N.V. Statutory seat ARUBA Date of incorporation 17 JULY 2006 Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00 Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 Fiscal year 01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: DOMPIG-NAAR, ANJELIE NIRMALA; Residing in TUMBA 38, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA Born in ARUBA on 11 APRIL 1969 Nationality DUTCH Position MANAGING DIRECTOR Effective 17 JULY 2006 Authority FULL DOMPIG, GEROLD GEORGE; Residing in TUMBA 38, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA Born in SURINAME, PARAMARIBO on 13 JANUARY 1961 Nationality DUTCH Position MANAGING DIRECTOR Effective 20 NOVEMBER 2007 Authority FULL OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN BEVEILIGINGS- EN BEWAKINGSBEDRIJF. Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 13, 2008, 08:48:39 AM Rob who lives here ? on the corner (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SANTAANACHURCH6.jpg) no one - it was just something I was interested in at the time. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 13, 2008, 09:24:00 AM Shocking
i found a "secret" ::MonkeyHaHa:: (48 pages) document about tortures on aruba in police cells and the KIA (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/1.jpg?t=1221311874) (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/2-1.jpg?t=1221311917) (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/3-1.jpg?t=1221312057) (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/4.jpg?t=1221312112) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 13, 2008, 09:46:57 AM there was a case Mansur VS Aruba paul vd Sloot was the lawyer for Aruba what was that for case ? This is one of the primary reasons for the lack of effort on Aruba...it's all political. The MEP and the AVP are fighting each other for dominance down there. Elections will come again soon and this time AVP want's to emerge the winner. There are several other parties there, although small, have a voice also depending on who is in power. It will be interesting to see how the next election plays out on Aruba. At this point there is nothing to change the status quo. MOO Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 13, 2008, 09:50:10 AM Shocking i found a "secret" ::MonkeyHaHa:: (48 pages) document about tortures on aruba in police cells and the KIA (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/1.jpg?t=1221311874) (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/2-1.jpg?t=1221311917) (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/3-1.jpg?t=1221312057) (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/4.jpg?t=1221312112) Interesting. Hmmmm. I see they list Deutekom as just a public prosecutor only. No elevated status there...but Mos seems to be over good ole Frans. Wonder how he feels about that since he's been in this game longer than Mos...or has he? So many names just jump right out at me ...very interesting indeed! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 13, 2008, 10:03:11 AM If young female American tourists were targets, I could see some sort of "hate crime" issue. Might rise to the international human rights level?? :smt102 In order to start a case like this, would we need other American tourists to come forward and testify that they had been victims? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 13, 2008, 10:21:21 AM I wonder if Paulass will try to leave Aruba before Jossy's Part #2 of the witness statement hits the papers on Monday????
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Slogger on September 13, 2008, 10:31:12 AM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Well to Mos they don't jive...the confession was on the beach and the witness saw him at a pond. So that is Mos excuse this time, I suppose. So pick one. He said either or. Supposedly there is yet another confession out there that has not been made public. Joran made another confession since he has been in Thailand. Well, I will say this...if the reason they denied Paulus compensation was due to someone seeing Paulus at the ATM in the jeep and this witness says he saw him too..then that tome is corroborating evidence. But Mos won't see it that way...as far as he is concerned Joran said he was on the beach and she died accidentally that night. Never thought of that, very good point. Corroboration. Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am. Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am. Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night. The operator was definitley not soundly sleeping in his bed as reported. He did not seem to remember a phone call in the middle of the night. Passenger was definitely not home looking at porn @315am. Passenger did not ride home in a Honda. Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am. Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am. Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night. - - - - VDS auto seen by neighbor, arriving home around 4am. Two things we know about that night from Joran's babbling to Patrick: 1. Joran was there when Natalee died. 2. Joran had help . . . "Daury." "Daury" is nailed to the wall. mo "Daury" is nailed to the wall. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 13, 2008, 11:27:49 AM Posted at BFN today:
Joran was and is a smart killer who created the timeline, starting at 2.26am May 30, 2005. What problems was Joran facing and which ones he had to solve that night ? 1 - his beachalibi to cover up the real crimescene. [ his apartment] 2 - the lie he had to tell his dad,who he feared most . 3 - the forensic evidence, the shoes, clothes, smell etcetera. [soccer pond] Could the new witness statement be true ? Yes it could. It confirms Paulus wasn't asleep. It confirms that he wasn't at home. First clue. The behavior of Paulus after the arrival of Beth Holloway at the gate of the VDSresidence is showing that the lie Joran told them didn't fit with the lie Joran told him on the phone and in the Jeep. Paulus is always present when the Kalpoe brothers are visiting Joran and on Tuesday, May 31 Paulus is seen by Beth in the lobby of the Holiday Inn hotel. [page 80 - Loving Natalee] Paulus steering role started on Tuesday after he checked if someone [videocam] could have seen him being in and leaving the hotel the night Natalee vanished. Paulus' real alibi is the casino, which he had to hide from Anita, his wife. Joran involved his dad to escape from prosecution. Joran has the Joker in this family secret. Did Paulus, when Anita returned home on Wednesday, told her that he picked up Joran at around 4.05am on mondaymorning or did Paulus already decided to be ' asleep' all night ? For Anita he was at home. He had to. He never told Anita that he asked Joran to babysit after Paulus picked him up the evening before at 10.15pm. {computer login Joran, around 10.30pm] Sunday May 29 2005 Two liars and Valentijn, a younger son and brother as a key witness. Guilty until proven innocent Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: KYcat on September 13, 2008, 12:04:46 PM Good Morning Monkeys, haven't posted in a while but have been reading and keeping up. I was so excited to hear of the witness coming forth and that he is protected now. But now I am let down again as all the bullsh..t just keeps on coming from Aruba. I want to make it clear that when I say Aruba I do mean all the corrupt officials, et al. I do not mean the good people of Aruba who have been hurt by this case. Anyone affiliated with investigating this case on the Aruba side (officials) are CORRUPT. It is that simple. I don't mean Jossy or CAPS or Johan or others that care about justice being done. Everyone who cares is trying to be patient as we have for the last three years but this is SO IN YOUR FACE! All the BS tactics, lies, destroying evidence, protecting the guilty is all so obvious that this case should have been solved loooooooooooooooong ago!
Any average intelligent person can see what has happened with this case, it sure as hell doesn't take a rocket scientist. I realize that most of us do not know all that is known by the people closest to this case or the FBI (most have much more inside info than I have) but with what is known and has been uncovered there should have been a conviction by now at least in the USA there would have been. Of course, there is corruption in the USA just like everywhere else BUT like I said this is SO IN YOUR FACE! So I pray that the FBI or State Department or WHOEVER will do what it takes to bring justice in this case. WHERE ARE OUR COWBOYS????? That is exactly what we need to bring closure because the Aruban officials will never, I repeat NEVER, do what it takes to bring justice. Just needed to vent. I am so pissssssssssssssssssed off. JMHO Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 13, 2008, 12:10:17 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Well to Mos they don't jive...the confession was on the beach and the witness saw him at a pond. So that is Mos excuse this time, I suppose. So pick one. He said either or. Supposedly there is yet another confession out there that has not been made public. Joran made another confession since he has been in Thailand. Well, I will say this...if the reason they denied Paulus compensation was due to someone seeing Paulus at the ATM in the jeep and this witness says he saw him too..then that tome is corroborating evidence. But Mos won't see it that way...as far as he is concerned Joran said he was on the beach and she died accidentally that night. Never thought of that, very good point. Corroboration. Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am. Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am. Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night. The operator was definitley not soundly sleeping in his bed as reported. He did not seem to remember a phone call in the middle of the night. Passenger was definitely not home looking at porn @315am. Passenger did not ride home in a Honda. Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am. Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am. Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night. - - - - VDS auto seen by neighbor, arriving home around 4am. Two things we know about that night from Joran's babbling to Patrick: 1. Joran was there when Natalee died. 2. Joran had help . . . "Daury." "Daury" is nailed to the wall. mo "Daury" is nailed to the wall. Do we have any verification of this...a neighbor seeing them...I mean really certain that they saw Paulus??? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: KYcat on September 13, 2008, 12:17:17 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Well to Mos they don't jive...the confession was on the beach and the witness saw him at a pond. So that is Mos excuse this time, I suppose. So pick one. He said either or. Supposedly there is yet another confession out there that has not been made public. Joran made another confession since he has been in Thailand. Well, I will say this...if the reason they denied Paulus compensation was due to someone seeing Paulus at the ATM in the jeep and this witness says he saw him too..then that tome is corroborating evidence. But Mos won't see it that way...as far as he is concerned Joran said he was on the beach and she died accidentally that night. Never thought of that, very good point. Corroboration. Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am. Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am. Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night. The operator was definitley not soundly sleeping in his bed as reported. He did not seem to remember a phone call in the middle of the night. Passenger was definitely not home looking at porn @315am. Passenger did not ride home in a Honda. Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am. Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am. Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night. - - - - VDS auto seen by neighbor, arriving home around 4am. Two things we know about that night from Joran's babbling to Patrick: 1. Joran was there when Natalee died. 2. Joran had help . . . "Daury." "Daury" is nailed to the wall. mo "Daury" is nailed to the wall. Do we have any verification of this...a neighbor seeing them...I mean really certain that they saw Paulus??? Please do not take offense at this (i just posted on previous page on this) but it doesn't matter. There could be a video of the actual crime and they still would not prosecute. They will make up whatever they want to deny the evidence. Any justice that will be done will have to come from the American side. JMHO ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 13, 2008, 12:28:15 PM KY
That was not why I asked...I have read this before on another blog or forum and wanted to see if it was the same....I have been searching for it for a long time. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 13, 2008, 12:45:35 PM Joke of the week News about the intenational doc maker Renee Gielen Her fantastic movie is not for broadcasting but is is a DVD lol IMAO LOL on NWO blog The text on Renee Gielen's DVD "The unrevealed time lines" coming to the Dutch and U.S. market: Bla Bla BLa etc . So it is a DVD ? ::MonkeyHaHa:: where can we buy it ? it think at Julia's office ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: KYcat on September 13, 2008, 12:47:21 PM KY That was not why I asked...I have read this before on another blog or forum and wanted to see if it was the same....I have been searching for it for a long time. Sorry if I offended. I was just looking at the whole situation - not the specifics. Forgive me? ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: KYcat on September 13, 2008, 12:59:05 PM LaLa's come back! We need all the info we can get to arm ourselves with unrefuteable ammunition! I for one am no help, I realize that. The people on this website do AMAZING research. I have no one to talk to about this case except the Monkeys.
Slinking back to my corner of the cage........ ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 13, 2008, 01:06:01 PM Please refresh my memory : Wasn't it Paulus [ only ] who said that he picked up Joran & Natalee at McDonald's ?
Also, what is the current status of the Kalpoes' lawsuit ? Thanks. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2008, 01:22:54 PM Joke of the week News about the intenational doc maker Renee Gielen Her fantastic movie is not for broadcasting but is is a DVD lol IMAO LOL on NWO blog The text on Renee Gielen's DVD "The unrevealed time lines" coming to the Dutch and U.S. market: Bla Bla BLa etc . So it is a DVD ? ::MonkeyHaHa:: where can we buy it ? it think at Julia's office ::MonkeyDance:: You're probably right Johan...Julia's the only idiot that would sell that crap! Then again...Medley will probably be the US distributor. No doubt they'll get a cut of the proceeds for their contributions. If I ever view it, it will be because it was FREE. Even then, I probably should pass on the viewing; it's just going to piss me off all over again. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Slogger on September 13, 2008, 01:31:10 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Well to Mos they don't jive...the confession was on the beach and the witness saw him at a pond. So that is Mos excuse this time, I suppose. So pick one. He said either or. Supposedly there is yet another confession out there that has not been made public. Joran made another confession since he has been in Thailand. Well, I will say this...if the reason they denied Paulus compensation was due to someone seeing Paulus at the ATM in the jeep and this witness says he saw him too..then that tome is corroborating evidence. But Mos won't see it that way...as far as he is concerned Joran said he was on the beach and she died accidentally that night. Never thought of that, very good point. Corroboration. Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am. Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am. Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night. The operator was definitley not soundly sleeping in his bed as reported. He did not seem to remember a phone call in the middle of the night. Passenger was definitely not home looking at porn @315am. Passenger did not ride home in a Honda. Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am. Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am. Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night. - - - - VDS auto seen by neighbor, arriving home around 4am. Two things we know about that night from Joran's babbling to Patrick: 1. Joran was there when Natalee died. 2. Joran had help . . . "Daury." "Daury" is nailed to the wall. mo "Daury" is nailed to the wall. Do we have any verification of this...a neighbor seeing them...I mean really certain that they saw Paulus??? Actually, as I understand it, the neighbor saw the VDS *car* but couldn't identify who was driving. The car was seen in various places (around 4am) with Paulus driving. Then the car appears at the VDS place around the same time and the sequence of sightings strongly indicates Paulus was still driving. I have to wonder how easily that top goes up and down. Was the top down when the car was seen at all but the VDS compound; and, was it up when it arrived at VDS'--making it difficult to identify who was driving? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: San on September 13, 2008, 01:44:13 PM Please refresh my memory : Wasn't it Paulus [ only ] who said that he picked up Joran & Natalee at McDonald's ? Also, what is the current status of the Kalpoes' lawsuit ? Thanks. Below is a link to the latest document that was filed regarding the Kalpoes' lawsuit. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 13, 2008, 02:14:20 PM Please refresh my memory : Wasn't it Paulus [ only ] who said that he picked up Joran & Natalee at McDonald's ? Also, what is the current status of the Kalpoes' lawsuit ? Thanks. Below is a link to the latest document that was filed regarding the Kalpoes' lawsuit. Thanks, San. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 13, 2008, 03:18:22 PM Posted at BFN today: 2 - the lie he had to tell his dad,who he feared most . (I do not think a lie was necessary. He knew he needed his dad's help and and his dad was eager to help with his knowledge and connections) Could the new witness statement be true ? Yes it could. It confirms Paulus wasn't asleep. It confirms that he wasn't at home. (This is a 100% fact. Absolutely, positively true.) Paulus steering role started on Tuesday after he checked if someone [videocam] could have seen him being in and leaving the hotel the night Natalee vanished. (What was Paulus involvement with the Holiday Inn the night that Natalee vanished? (I thought his whereabouts that evening were casino, home, po??ible party, and driving around in his red jeep...)Paulus' real alibi is the casino, which he had to hide from Anita, his wife. (Like Joran's possible lie to his father, I do not think a lie was necessary from Paulus to Anita. The magnitude of what was to come was to have Joran, Anita, and Paulus all on the same page. Paulus being out of the house was irrelevant to Anita as was Joran sneaking out irrelevant to Paulus. Cover up mode for both of them was way more important at the time.) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 13, 2008, 03:23:38 PM Please refresh my memory : Wasn't it Paulus [ only ] who said that he picked up Joran & Natalee at McDonald's ? Also, what is the current status of the Kalpoes' lawsuit ? Thanks. If I recall correctly, ALE denied Paulus' lawsuit by making him aware that they knew he had been spotted near the McDonald's. However, to us dumb americans, Paulus' being spotted near the McDonald's is probably just speculative on our parts as Paulus lawsuit papers have probably been lost by the court system OR ruled as classified and protected as being for national security purposes. GO FIGURE... ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 13, 2008, 03:31:07 PM Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would need a witness or a confession? Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness. When you gonna prosecute? Well to Mos they don't jive...the confession was on the beach and the witness saw him at a pond. So that is Mos excuse this time, I suppose. So pick one. He said either or. Supposedly there is yet another confession out there that has not been made public. Joran made another confession since he has been in Thailand. Well, I will say this...if the reason they denied Paulus compensation was due to someone seeing Paulus at the ATM in the jeep and this witness says he saw him too..then that tome is corroborating evidence. But Mos won't see it that way...as far as he is concerned Joran said he was on the beach and she died accidentally that night. Never thought of that, very good point. Corroboration. Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am. Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am. Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night. The operator was definitley not soundly sleeping in his bed as reported. He did not seem to remember a phone call in the middle of the night. Passenger was definitely not home looking at porn @315am. Passenger did not ride home in a Honda. Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am. Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am. Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night. - - - - VDS auto seen by neighbor, arriving home around 4am. Two things we know about that night from Joran's babbling to Patrick: 1. Joran was there when Natalee died. 2. Joran had help . . . "Daury." "Daury" is nailed to the wall. mo "Daury" is nailed to the wall. Do we have any verification of this...a neighbor seeing them...I mean really certain that they saw Paulus??? Actually, as I understand it, the neighbor saw the VDS *car* but couldn't identify who was driving. The car was seen in various places (around 4am) with Paulus driving. Then the car appears at the VDS place around the same time and the sequence of sightings strongly indicates Paulus was still driving. I have to wonder how easily that top goes up and down. Was the top down when the car was seen at all but the VDS compound; and, was it up when it arrived at VDS'--making it difficult to identify who was driving? More than likely, once Paulus had a little "wink-wink" chat with him, he suddenly had a case of temporary amnesia as to the person driving the vehicle. Witnesses were obviously intimidated, not believed, and unwilling to come forth. ALE probably has two files on this case. They are marked: (!) The real evidence (2) Evidence to tell the international media. The real evidence is hidden, if not destroyed. It would have or would be nice if: The countries, whose citizens, are involved: Aruba, US, and (even include) Holland could agree on all three being able to at least view, confidentially, the evidence collected so as to ensure a transparent and honest investigation. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 13, 2008, 04:01:15 PM Please refresh my memory : Wasn't it Paulus [ only ] who said that he picked up Joran & Natalee at McDonald's ? Also, what is the current status of the Kalpoes' lawsuit ? Thanks. If I recall correctly, ALE denied Paulus' lawsuit by making him aware that they knew he had been spotted near the McDonald's. However, to us dumb americans, Paulus' being spotted near the McDonald's is probably just speculative on our parts as Paulus lawsuit papers have probably been lost by the court system OR ruled as classified and protected as being for national security purposes. GO FIGURE... ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: but were was McDonald's in 2005 ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 13, 2008, 04:40:06 PM Posted at RU:
GBMW Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:24 am Posted by Angelalala on BFN: Angela, Hi. Hope everything's okay with you and your family. I'm confident that with this new development, and if Mos doesn't interfere by destroying evidence, we will see an end to this very sad case. Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon. We are willing to take on Mos and whomever else wants to raise obstacles in the path to the solution of the Nathalie case. We have some pretty good information now that can open the road to a definite solution to the case. It will all depend on how strongly the prosecution will want to oppose our findings. Personally, and from what I've seen in this case, I don't trust those people. You can use anything I tell you in any public forum. Take care Jossy Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 13, 2008, 05:06:14 PM Jossy Mansur on Dana Pretzer 9/12/08
http://www.youtube.com/v/hEG3OQ4ixbw&hl=en&fs=1 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 13, 2008, 06:02:04 PM KY That was not why I asked...I have read this before on another blog or forum and wanted to see if it was the same....I have been searching for it for a long time. Sorry if I offended. I was just looking at the whole situation - not the specifics. Forgive me? ::MonkeyWaa:: Good to go! ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 13, 2008, 06:36:41 PM Please refresh my memory : Wasn't it Paulus [ only ] who said that he picked up Joran & Natalee at McDonald's ? Also, what is the current status of the Kalpoes' lawsuit ? Thanks. If I recall correctly, ALE denied Paulus' lawsuit by making him aware that they knew he had been spotted near the McDonald's. However, to us dumb americans, Paulus' being spotted near the McDonald's is probably just speculative on our parts as Paulus lawsuit papers have probably been lost by the court system OR ruled as classified and protected as being for national security purposes. GO FIGURE... ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: I based my question only on my remembering : didn't Paulus say something to the effect that "I picked them up at McDonald's" and he was trying to imply that he meant Joran & Natalee? [ Which I never believed ]... I can't remember if anybody came forward to say that they saw Paulus do this...In my opinion, he was just including Natalee to obfuscate the truth...but was there anyone who backed him up? I didn't recall that anybody did. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 13, 2008, 06:53:31 PM Thanks for the video/sound of Dana & Jossy, Klass.
Jossy is a hero-he rocks! Everyone knows that reputable LE uses lie detectors only as a tool to try to get to the truth.....who is Mos fooling ? Unreal. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 13, 2008, 07:08:39 PM Thanks for the video/sound of Dana & Jossy, Klass. It doesn't even make sense! Any prosecutor would LOVE someone to TAKE a polygraph -- you just can't use it in court to CONVICT someone. It is VERY useful to gauge veracity.Jossy is a hero-he rocks! Everyone knows that reputable LE uses lie detectors only as a tool to try to get to the truth.....who is Mos fooling ? Unreal. Mos = Tool Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 13, 2008, 08:12:51 PM Does anyone know if the Diario witness statements are also being published in Dutch and American newspapers? These statements could be very helpful in rallying public opinion and putting more pressure on Aruba. If they only remain in Aruba, the rest of the world won't know about them. Does anyone have newspaper connections????
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 13, 2008, 11:02:15 PM Does anyone know if the Diario witness statements are also being published in Dutch and American newspapers? These statements could be very helpful in rallying public opinion and putting more pressure on Aruba. If they only remain in Aruba, the rest of the world won't know about them. Does anyone have newspaper connections???? At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light. meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 13, 2008, 11:08:56 PM What kind of meeting CAPS?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 13, 2008, 11:17:04 PM Does anyone know if the Diario witness statements are also being published in Dutch and American newspapers? These statements could be very helpful in rallying public opinion and putting more pressure on Aruba. If they only remain in Aruba, the rest of the world won't know about them. Does anyone have newspaper connections???? At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light. meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days. Thanks Caps, we'll watch the news. Should we watch Amigoe too? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Frijole on September 13, 2008, 11:33:59 PM Does anyone know if the Diario witness statements are also being published in Dutch and American newspapers? These statements could be very helpful in rallying public opinion and putting more pressure on Aruba. If they only remain in Aruba, the rest of the world won't know about them. Does anyone have newspaper connections???? At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light. meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days. Thanks for the update Caps! I KNEW IT! Plan B... can't wait. Let the games begin. Go cowboys! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 02:08:47 AM Does anyone know if the Diario witness statements are also being published in Dutch and American newspapers? These statements could be very helpful in rallying public opinion and putting more pressure on Aruba. If they only remain in Aruba, the rest of the world won't know about them. Does anyone have newspaper connections???? At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light. meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days. Thanks for the update Caps! I KNEW IT! Plan B... can't wait. Let the games begin. Go cowboys! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 02:32:07 AM Joke of the week News about the intenational doc maker Renee Gielen Her fantastic movie is not for broadcasting but is is a DVD lol IMAO LOL on NWO blog The text on Renee Gielen's DVD "The unrevealed time lines" coming to the Dutch and U.S. market: Bla Bla BLa etc . So it is a DVD ? ::MonkeyHaHa:: where can we buy it ? it think at Julia's office ::MonkeyDance:: On fok : bastibro You can't buy the dvd's in julia's office ,she is in a Rehab (alcohol problems) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Hotshot on September 14, 2008, 02:34:07 AM Joke of the week News about the intenational doc maker Renee Gielen Her fantastic movie is not for broadcasting but is is a DVD lol IMAO LOL on NWO blog The text on Renee Gielen's DVD "The unrevealed time lines" coming to the Dutch and U.S. market: Bla Bla BLa etc . So it is a DVD ? ::MonkeyHaHa:: where can we buy it ? it think at Julia's office ::MonkeyDance:: On fok : bastibro You can't buy the dvd's in julia's office ,she is in a Rehab (alcohol problems) ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Hotshot on September 14, 2008, 02:56:38 AM Well Glenda is at it again, she has posted her own type of picture of where, and who she thinks our new witness is. IF this witness goes missing, we can turn to Glenda first I guess.
(http://edit) I do not know the witness or where he lives, but there is only one house that has a living room window that faces the Soccer Field. There are absolutely no lights in or around the Field or the Damn at night. You cannot see the field or damn from any house because of the trees (from the direction of the hotels). The first Street Lamp is at the 5 way intersection. I marked the Street Lamp with Yellow spots. The Blue line is the Window that faces the intersection. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 02:58:09 AM Joke of the week News about the intenational doc maker Renee Gielen Her fantastic movie is not for broadcasting but is is a DVD lol IMAO LOL on NWO blog The text on Renee Gielen's DVD "The unrevealed time lines" coming to the Dutch and U.S. market: Bla Bla BLa etc . So it is a DVD ? ::MonkeyHaHa:: where can we buy it ? it think at Julia's office ::MonkeyDance:: On fok : bastibro You can't buy the dvd's in julia's office ,she is in a Rehab (alcohol problems) ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel:: **photo deleted by request per johan -- photo not renfro Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 03:26:55 AM Does anyone know if the Diario witness statements are also being published in Dutch and American newspapers? These statements could be very helpful in rallying public opinion and putting more pressure on Aruba. If they only remain in Aruba, the rest of the world won't know about them. Does anyone have newspaper connections???? At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light. meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days. Thank you Caps. We will be watching. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 03:29:24 AM Joke of the week News about the intenational doc maker Renee Gielen Her fantastic movie is not for broadcasting but is is a DVD lol IMAO LOL on NWO blog The text on Renee Gielen's DVD "The unrevealed time lines" coming to the Dutch and U.S. market: Bla Bla BLa etc . So it is a DVD ? ::MonkeyHaHa:: where can we buy it ? it think at Julia's office ::MonkeyDance:: On fok : bastibro You can't buy the dvd's in julia's office ,she is in a Rehab (alcohol problems) She needs more than rehab for alcohol problems. She needs a jail cell. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: nell on September 14, 2008, 03:58:11 AM this is my first try,please bare w/me. it seems that red jeep(s?) have been a common sighting thruough out this case eg: 1.landfill (statement by buddy when he saw nh's body dumped 2. removed from van scums home during search 3.police vehicle 4. now new witness that saw it pick up urine on night of murder. does anyone know if this is same red jeep ?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 05:31:45 AM Johan's posting of Julia's map prompted me to visit RU, painful as that might be. I just had to share some of the stuff that is over there. RU is so tied to Julia's nonsense and the don't see her as a major player in the cover up. They would certainly be shocked to know where Julia was the night that Natalee disappeared.
- Glenda Renfro has created a map of the Monserat area. She has identified street lights and all houses where the witness could be living. Very intelligent Julia!!! - Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond. - Julia says that she hasn't spoken to the witness, but that is probably because reports have her in rehab right now. - Glenda has reported that John S. Swartz is the examiner and consultant for the Dr. Phil Show at CBS/Paramount Productions in Los Angeles. Glenda refers to him as an Entertainment Polygrapher and the monkeys would be thrilled to bestow a crown on him. - OM is smarter than a pack of monkeys. - There is speculation that Caps is Art Woods. - Charles Cores was quoted as claiming that he was told by Beth about Jug abusing both Beth and Natalee. - RU claims that Natalee was intended to be kidnapped and placed in rehab. - Tommy Twitty "offed" his cousin. - Tim Miller does not have a lot of results or credibility. This trip to Aruba is a publicity stunt and an opportunity for a free vacation. - GBMW is a live and well and posting at RU. - Jossy is trying to get even because of Luis. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 05:54:26 AM Johan's posting of Julia's map prompted me to visit RU, painful as that might be. I just had to share some of the stuff that is over there. RU is so tied to Julia's nonsense and the don't see her as a major player in the cover up. They would certainly be shocked to know where Julia was the night that Natalee disappeared. - Glenda Renfro has created a map of the Monserat area. She has identified street lights and all houses where the witness could be living. Very intelligent Julia!!! - Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond. - Julia says that she hasn't spoken to the witness, but that is probably because reports have her in rehab right now. - Glenda has reported that John S. Swartz is the examiner and consultant for the Dr. Phil Show at CBS/Paramount Productions in Los Angeles. Glenda refers to him as an Entertainment Polygrapher and the monkeys would be thrilled to bestow a crown on him. - OM is smarter than a pack of monkeys. - There is speculation that Caps is Art Woods. - Charles Cores was quoted as claiming that he was told by Beth about Jug abusing both Beth and Natalee. - RU claims that Natalee was intended to be kidnapped and placed in rehab. - Tommy Twitty "offed" his cousin. - Tim Miller does not have a lot of results or credibility. This trip to Aruba is a publicity stunt and an opportunity for a free vacation. - GBMW is a live and well and posting at RU. - Jossy is trying to get even because of Luis. we is that map on RU Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 06:52:07 AM Johan's posting of Julia's map prompted me to visit RU, painful as that might be. I just had to share some of the stuff that is over there. RU is so tied to Julia's nonsense and the don't see her as a major player in the cover up. They would certainly be shocked to know where Julia was the night that Natalee disappeared. - Glenda Renfro has created a map of the Monserat area. She has identified street lights and all houses where the witness could be living. Very intelligent Julia!!! - Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond. - Julia says that she hasn't spoken to the witness, but that is probably because reports have her in rehab right now. - Glenda has reported that John S. Swartz is the examiner and consultant for the Dr. Phil Show at CBS/Paramount Productions in Los Angeles. Glenda refers to him as an Entertainment Polygrapher and the monkeys would be thrilled to bestow a crown on him. - OM is smarter than a pack of monkeys. - There is speculation that Caps is Art Woods. - Charles Cores was quoted as claiming that he was told by Beth about Jug abusing both Beth and Natalee. - RU claims that Natalee was intended to be kidnapped and placed in rehab. - Tommy Twitty "offed" his cousin. - Tim Miller does not have a lot of results or credibility. This trip to Aruba is a publicity stunt and an opportunity for a free vacation. - GBMW is a live and well and posting at RU. - Jossy is trying to get even because of Luis. we is that map on RU or do you mean this thing ? ::MonkeyHaHa:: ((edit)) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Hotshot on September 14, 2008, 07:48:02 AM Quote or do you mean this thing ? ::MonkeyHaHa:: (edit)quote] LOL yes that thing. Isn't she just great with computer art programs? ::MonkeyLaugh:: And I for one can say, CAP's is NOT Art Woods So where is that Rehab again? ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 08:27:09 AM Quote or do you mean this thing ? ::MonkeyHaHa:: [img] LOL yes that thing. Isn't she just great with computer art programs? ::MonkeyLaugh:: And I for one can say, CAP's is NOT Art Woods So where is that Rehab again? ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 08:28:56 AM not renfro i found it somewere with her name on it can you delete the pic ?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 14, 2008, 08:34:27 AM Kalpo/Dr. Phil
Case Number: BC363201 DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW Filing Date: 12/13/2006 Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction) Status: Pending Future Hearings 10/15/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012 Motion to Strike (Complaint Pursuant to CCP 425.162) Second Motion to Dismiss andRequest for Terminating Sanctions3) Case Management Conference) 12/04/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012 Motion to Compel ((4)) 09/11/2008 Proof of Service (RE MOTION TO COMPEL, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner 09/10/2008 Miscellaneous-Other (UNOPPOSED APPLICATION FOR COMMISSION TO TAKE ORAL DEPOSITION OF A NON-PARTY IN FLORIA ) Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent 09/10/2008 Motion to Compel (DEFT TO PROVIDE FURTHER INTERROGATORY RESPONSES, ETC. SET: 12-4-08) Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner (and three more filings exactly like this) http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 14, 2008, 08:52:19 AM not renfro i found it somewere with her name on it can you delete the pic ? No problem...it is done. mmmmmm.....hope I did it right, lol. Hard to do sometimes with quote stacks in it. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 09:06:44 AM not renfro i found it somewere with her name on it can you delete the pic ? No problem...it is done. mmmmmm.....hope I did it right, lol. Hard to do sometimes with quote stacks in it. ::MonkeyHaHa:: thank you Nut Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 14, 2008, 09:12:08 AM this is my first try,please bare w/me. it seems that red jeep(s?) have been a common sighting thruough out this case eg: 1.landfill (statement by buddy when he saw nh's body dumped 2. removed from van scums home during search 3.police vehicle 4. now new witness that saw it pick up urine on night of murder. does anyone know if this is same red jeep ? Welcome nell Descriptions seem to be a bit vague...jeep....jeep-like....suzuki..... The "police" vehicles, I've seen are more maroon than red...IIRC :smt102 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Red on September 14, 2008, 09:32:41 AM THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/ Rather telling that a presecutor would first try to discredit a witness without talking to them first. No agenda there Hans. One would think that Aruba would want to solve this case, but alas they think that they are going to wait the clock out and people will just forget. Aruba ... WE WON'T. Aruba ... you think this is all just going to go away and you will live life happily ever after. How sad ... you do not even know what the future has in store for y'all. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2008, 10:14:39 AM THE COVER UP CONTINUES ... AMEN RED! We'll never forget...and we'll never give up! ::MonkeyCool::http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/ Rather telling that a presecutor would first try to discredit a witness without talking to them first. No agenda there Hans. One would think that Aruba would want to solve this case, but alas they think that they are going to wait the clock out and people will just forget. Aruba ... WE WON'T. Aruba ... you think this is all just going to go away and you will live life happily ever after. How sad ... you do not even know what the future has in store for y'all. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 10:21:55 AM hello Texasmom are you safe and dry ?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2008, 10:29:50 AM hello Texasmom are you safe and dry ? Hi Johan! ::MonkeyDance:: Yes, God is good! We had some very tense moments yesterday with the winds and swirling rain here in the woods of East Texas but we are all safe and the rain and wind has stopped. We were without power for several hours and I have been without internet since early yesterday afternoon. This morning the sun is shining and after reconfiguring all of my internet settings...I AM BACK! Thanks for thinking of me! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 10:32:51 AM Quote from Hotshot....
LOL yes that thing. Isn't she just great with computer art programs? And I for one can say, CAP's is NOT Art Woods So where is that Rehab again? The red arrow on Julia's map is a little rough. Perhaps she has the DTs. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2008, 10:33:31 AM Jossy Mansur on Dana Pretzer 9/12/08 http://www.youtube.com/v/hEG3OQ4ixbw&hl=en&fs=1 THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, Klaas!!!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: I went through so much aggravation trying to listen and never did get to hear this. I'd planned to download it and listen today but you saved me the time and effort. I also LOVE the visuals! You're a jewel! Hugs to Klaas! TM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2008, 10:36:09 AM Does anyone know if the Diario witness statements are also being published in Dutch and American newspapers? These statements could be very helpful in rallying public opinion and putting more pressure on Aruba. If they only remain in Aruba, the rest of the world won't know about them. Does anyone have newspaper connections???? At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light. meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days. Thanks Caps! We'll be watching! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 10:38:02 AM Sorry, but I just had to bring her out again.
Julia Renfro, Master Cartographer Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 10:40:30 AM TM - Glad to hear that you are OK.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 10:49:27 AM Quote from Hotshot.... LOL yes that thing. Isn't she just great with computer art programs? And I for one can say, CAP's is NOT Art Woods So where is that Rehab again? The red arrow on Julia's map is a little rough. Perhaps she has the DTs. no this : Korsakov Syndrome Most severe, irreversible form of brain damage caused by alcohol characterized by extensive loss of orientation and memory due dying of entire regions of brain cells in the brain between the Limbic system and, in particular, on the short-term memory region. It is characterised by the occurrence of confabulation, which means, that existing memory gaps will be replaced by spontaneous ideas that do not correspond to reality. Someone with this syndrome can't make a staight line on a piece of paper . Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 14, 2008, 10:49:27 AM Well...Julia did get a few things right....not saying which ones...but it won't matter...they were trivial. LOL
Anyway, I am surprised she now says she doesn't know who Caps is...odd, very odd. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 10:53:09 AM this was on bfn this morning : EDDIE says
Could someone contact SM and asked them to remove the copy of the "witness location" that Glenda posted elsewhere. That information is bad enough to be posted by The Super Evil Ex Pat from Bondia on other forums. Please don't allow it to be duplicated elsewhere. Stop witness intimidation. Enough is Enough. Thanks angellalala : f it helps... the witness we've been talking about isn't on Aruba anymore. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 14, 2008, 10:57:32 AM Lmao SS .....glad to see I am not the only one who names pictures like.......................... Juliatheho ::MonkeyHaHa::
I do it all the time ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 11:02:53 AM Lmao SS .....glad to see I am not the only one who names pictures like.......................... Juliatheho ::MonkeyHaHa:: I do it all the time ::MonkeyCool:: I can't take the credit for the photo name. I created the original from a Faye Dunaway shot in Bonnie and Clyde. It was San or someone else who cleaned up the picture a little and renamed it. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 11:04:34 AM Johan's posting of Julia's map prompted me to visit RU, painful as that might be. I just had to share some of the stuff that is over there. RU is so tied to Julia's nonsense and the don't see her as a major player in the cover up. They would certainly be shocked to know where Julia was the night that Natalee disappeared. - Glenda Renfro has created a map of the Monserat area. She has identified street lights and all houses where the witness could be living. Very intelligent Julia!!! - Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond. - Julia says that she hasn't spoken to the witness, but that is probably because reports have her in rehab right now. - Glenda has reported that John S. Swartz is the examiner and consultant for the Dr. Phil Show at CBS/Paramount Productions in Los Angeles. Glenda refers to him as an Entertainment Polygrapher and the monkeys would be thrilled to bestow a crown on him. - OM is smarter than a pack of monkeys. - There is speculation that Caps is Art Woods. - Charles Cores was quoted as claiming that he was told by Beth about Jug abusing both Beth and Natalee. - RU claims that Natalee was intended to be kidnapped and placed in rehab. - Tommy Twitty "offed" his cousin. - Tim Miller does not have a lot of results or credibility. This trip to Aruba is a publicity stunt and an opportunity for a free vacation. - GBMW is a live and well and posting at RU. - Jossy is trying to get even because of Luis. ss : Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond. i heard that also but it is true ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 11:08:20 AM Johan's posting of Julia's map prompted me to visit RU, painful as that might be. I just had to share some of the stuff that is over there. RU is so tied to Julia's nonsense and the don't see her as a major player in the cover up. They would certainly be shocked to know where Julia was the night that Natalee disappeared. - Glenda Renfro has created a map of the Monserat area. She has identified street lights and all houses where the witness could be living. Very intelligent Julia!!! - Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond. - Julia says that she hasn't spoken to the witness, but that is probably because reports have her in rehab right now. - Glenda has reported that John S. Swartz is the examiner and consultant for the Dr. Phil Show at CBS/Paramount Productions in Los Angeles. Glenda refers to him as an Entertainment Polygrapher and the monkeys would be thrilled to bestow a crown on him. - OM is smarter than a pack of monkeys. - There is speculation that Caps is Art Woods. - Charles Cores was quoted as claiming that he was told by Beth about Jug abusing both Beth and Natalee. - RU claims that Natalee was intended to be kidnapped and placed in rehab. - Tommy Twitty "offed" his cousin. - Tim Miller does not have a lot of results or credibility. This trip to Aruba is a publicity stunt and an opportunity for a free vacation. - GBMW is a live and well and posting at RU. - Jossy is trying to get even because of Luis. ss : Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond. i heard that also but it is true ? I don't know. This is the first that I have heard about Patrick's brother's house. Glenda Renfro has been saying it on RU. If it is true, there's a poetic justice here. Patrick puts Urine at the beach, but the other reports put Urine in front of his brother's house. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 11:16:22 AM Quote from Hotshot.... LOL yes that thing. Isn't she just great with computer art programs? And I for one can say, CAP's is NOT Art Woods So where is that Rehab again? The red arrow on Julia's map is a little rough. Perhaps she has the DTs. no this : Korsakov Syndrome Most severe, irreversible form of brain damage caused by alcohol characterized by extensive loss of orientation and memory due dying of entire regions of brain cells in the brain between the Limbic system and, in particular, on the short-term memory region. It is characterised by the occurrence of confabulation, which means, that existing memory gaps will be replaced by spontaneous ideas that do not correspond to reality. Someone with this syndrome can't make a staight line on a piece of paper . That explains it then.....maybe she can't remember what she was doing when Natalee met her demise. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2008, 11:30:04 AM TM - Glad to hear that you are OK. Thanks SS! Yes, we were very fortunate...many others in the area had trees through roofs and other damage. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2008, 11:32:59 AM Lmao SS .....glad to see I am not the only one who names pictures like.......................... Juliatheho ::MonkeyHaHa:: I do it all the time ::MonkeyCool:: me too! ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 12:02:32 PM THE COVER UP CONTINUES ... http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/ Rather telling that a presecutor would first try to discredit a witness without talking to them first. No agenda there Hans. One would think that Aruba would want to solve this case, but alas they think that they are going to wait the clock out and people will just forget. Aruba ... WE WON'T. Aruba ... you think this is all just going to go away and you will live life happily ever after. How sad ... you do not even know what the future has in store for y'all. So right, Red. Hans Mos is just trying to run out the clock on the case so he can sneak back to Holland. His mission was to simply put on a PR ploy to give the impression Aruba wanted to solve the case. Total bullshit. He never tried and has put up as many road blocks to solving the case as the Dutch judges have. Hans has proven himself every bit as crooked as Karin Jannsen, Ben Vocking and Jan van der Straten. Why does Holland always send their drgs of life to Aruba to handle their legal and judicial systems? They need to clean up the corruption in their system in Aruba or get out of the business of offering government services. I suspect the REAL Arubans could do a better job. At least they would do away with the corruption in the elite Dutch class. And no, we won't go away, as much as Hans would like for us to. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 12:09:43 PM THE COVER UP CONTINUES ... Rather telling that a presecutor would first try to discredit a witness without talking to them first. No agenda there Hans. It's a sad state of affairs when a witness in a murder case can't come forward without being intimidated by the very authorities who are supposed to be solving the case, yet we've seen time after time and witness after witness in Natalee's case. This tyrannical government needs to go down. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 12:32:16 PM THE COVER UP CONTINUES ... http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/ Rather telling that a presecutor would first try to discredit a witness without talking to them first. No agenda there Hans. One would think that Aruba would want to solve this case, but alas they think that they are going to wait the clock out and people will just forget. Aruba ... WE WON'T. Aruba ... you think this is all just going to go away and you will live life happily ever after. How sad ... you do not even know what the future has in store for y'all. So right, Red. Hans Mos is just trying to run out the clock on the case so he can sneak back to Holland. His mission was to simply put on a PR ploy to give the impression Aruba wanted to solve the case. Total bullshit. He never tried and has put up as many road blocks to solving the case as the Dutch judges have. Hans has proven himself every bit as crooked as Karin Jannsen, Ben Vocking and Jan van der Straten. Why does Holland always send their drgs of life to Aruba to handle their legal and judicial systems? They need to clean up the corruption in their system in Aruba or get out of the business of offering government services. I suspect the REAL Arubans could do a better job. At least they would do away with the corruption in the elite Dutch class. And no, we won't go away, as much as Hans would like for us to. There are 3 judges and they have to give Hans Mos permission to re-arrest Joran i post this before SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) —feb 2008 Judges have rejected an attempt to re-arrest a Dutch college student in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, a prosecutor said Friday. An appeals court ruled Thursday that authorities do not have enough new evidence to arrest Joran van der Sloot for a third time, prosecutor Dop Kruimel told the Associated Press. But Kruimel said the three-judge panel decided his statements in the recording conflicted with some of his previous statements to investigators and other evidence in the case. three-judge panel :: who are these 3 judges ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 14, 2008, 12:37:28 PM THE COVER UP CONTINUES ... http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/ Rather telling that a presecutor would first try to discredit a witness without talking to them first. No agenda there Hans. One would think that Aruba would want to solve this case, but alas they think that they are going to wait the clock out and people will just forget. Aruba ... WE WON'T. Aruba ... you think this is all just going to go away and you will live life happily ever after. How sad ... you do not even know what the future has in store for y'all. So right, Red. Hans Mos is just trying to run out the clock on the case so he can sneak back to Holland. His mission was to simply put on a PR ploy to give the impression Aruba wanted to solve the case. Total bullshit. He never tried and has put up as many road blocks to solving the case as the Dutch judges have. Hans has proven himself every bit as crooked as Karin Jannsen, Ben Vocking and Jan van der Straten. Why does Holland always send their drgs of life to Aruba to handle their legal and judicial systems? They need to clean up the corruption in their system in Aruba or get out of the business of offering government services. I suspect the REAL Arubans could do a better job. At least they would do away with the corruption in the elite Dutch class. And no, we won't go away, as much as Hans would like for us to. There are 3 judges and they have to give Hans Mos permission to re-arrest Joran i post this before SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) —feb 2008 Judges have rejected an attempt to re-arrest a Dutch college student in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, a prosecutor said Friday. An appeals court ruled Thursday that authorities do not have enough new evidence to arrest Joran van der Sloot for a third time, prosecutor Dop Kruimel told the Associated Press. But Kruimel said the three-judge panel decided his statements in the recording conflicted with some of his previous statements to investigators and other evidence in the case. three-judge panel :: who are these 3 judges ? I just posted this same photo in the Caylee Anthony thread because of a similar question ::MonkeyWink:: (http://www.three-stooges.com/3-stooges.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2008, 12:46:23 PM THE COVER UP CONTINUES ... http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/ Rather telling that a presecutor would first try to discredit a witness without talking to them first. No agenda there Hans. One would think that Aruba would want to solve this case, but alas they think that they are going to wait the clock out and people will just forget. Aruba ... WE WON'T. Aruba ... you think this is all just going to go away and you will live life happily ever after. How sad ... you do not even know what the future has in store for y'all. So right, Red. Hans Mos is just trying to run out the clock on the case so he can sneak back to Holland. His mission was to simply put on a PR ploy to give the impression Aruba wanted to solve the case. Total bullshit. He never tried and has put up as many road blocks to solving the case as the Dutch judges have. Hans has proven himself every bit as crooked as Karin Jannsen, Ben Vocking and Jan van der Straten. Why does Holland always send their drgs of life to Aruba to handle their legal and judicial systems? They need to clean up the corruption in their system in Aruba or get out of the business of offering government services. I suspect the REAL Arubans could do a better job. At least they would do away with the corruption in the elite Dutch class. And no, we won't go away, as much as Hans would like for us to. There are 3 judges and they have to give Hans Mos permission to re-arrest Joran i post this before SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) —feb 2008 Judges have rejected an attempt to re-arrest a Dutch college student in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, a prosecutor said Friday. An appeals court ruled Thursday that authorities do not have enough new evidence to arrest Joran van der Sloot for a third time, prosecutor Dop Kruimel told the Associated Press. But Kruimel said the three-judge panel decided his statements in the recording conflicted with some of his previous statements to investigators and other evidence in the case. three-judge panel :: who are these 3 judges ? I doubt we will ever find their names Johan.. ::MonkeyWink:: That's how they choose to operate, but I did find this information. I am still looking for specific names of these judges. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Appeals_Court_of_the_Netherlands_Antilles_and_Aruba Combined Appeals Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Combined Appeals Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba serves the Caribbean territories of the Kingdom of the Netherlands[1]. The court services appeals from lower courts in the Caribbean territories, and is a peer with similar courts in the Netherlands. The Common Court has been established on Curaçao, but also holds court in Aruba and Sint Maarten. Contents [show] 1 Composition 2 Right of Appeal 3 Future of the Court 4 See also 5 References [edit] Composition The court is composed of judges from the first level of courts. Judges that took part in at case at the lower level may not participate in a case at this level. [edit] Right of Appeal The Charter for the Kingdom of the Netherlands specified that appeals of first-level courts must be regulated. That law is the declaration of 20 July 1961, Stb. 1961, 212, titled the "Cassatieregeling Nederlandse Antillen" ("Appeals Regulations of the Netherlands Antilles"), later renamed "Cassatieregeling Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba". This law fixed that the High Council of the the Netherlands recognizes the jurisdiction of the Combined Appeals Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba over civil and criminal cases which were initiated in the first-level courts within those territories. One distinction between the appeals procedure in the Netherlands and that of the Caribbean territories is that when a judgment of a Netherlands court is overturned by the High Council, the case is generally turned over to a different court at the same level for purposes of rendering a new decision. Because the Common Court is the only court at its level, it will rehear its own cases after being overruled. [edit] Future of the Court After the dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles, currently scheduled for December 15, 2008, the court will be renamed, but will serve the same function for the new countries of Curacao and Sint Maarten, as well as for the islands of Bonaire, Saba, and St. Eustatius. [edit] See also Dutch Wikipedia article on which this article is based [edit] References ^ Rechtspraak.nl - Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Appeals_Court_of_the_Netherlands_Antilles_and_Aruba" Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2008, 12:49:35 PM Klaas ::MonkeyHaHa::
Close to my thinking...Smid, Witt, WittPete, or SmidRePete... ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 01:18:14 PM We don't know for certain that a panel of three judges ever met. This could have simply been a decision made by DTKM. I am so anxious to learn what will transpire at the 6 PM meeting tonight.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 01:20:38 PM I am still wondering if Paulass is still on the island. His a$$ is grass and Diario will be the lawn mower tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 14, 2008, 01:20:50 PM Johan's posting of Julia's map prompted me to visit RU, painful as that might be. I just had to share some of the stuff that is over there. RU is so tied to Julia's nonsense and the don't see her as a major player in the cover up. They would certainly be shocked to know where Julia was the night that Natalee disappeared. - Glenda Renfro has created a map of the Monserat area. She has identified street lights and all houses where the witness could be living. Very intelligent Julia!!! - Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond. - Julia says that she hasn't spoken to the witness, but that is probably because reports have her in rehab right now. - Glenda has reported that John S. Swartz is the examiner and consultant for the Dr. Phil Show at CBS/Paramount Productions in Los Angeles. Glenda refers to him as an Entertainment Polygrapher and the monkeys would be thrilled to bestow a crown on him. - OM is smarter than a pack of monkeys. - There is speculation that Caps is Art Woods. - Charles Cores was quoted as claiming that he was told by Beth about Jug abusing both Beth and Natalee. - RU claims that Natalee was intended to be kidnapped and placed in rehab. - Tommy Twitty "offed" his cousin. - Tim Miller does not have a lot of results or credibility. This trip to Aruba is a publicity stunt and an opportunity for a free vacation. - GBMW is a live and well and posting at RU. - Jossy is trying to get even because of Luis. ss : Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond. i heard that also but it is true ? I don't know. This is the first that I have heard about Patrick's brother's house. Glenda Renfro has been saying it on RU. If it is true, there's a poetic justice here. Patrick puts Urine at the beach, but the other reports put Urine in front of his brother's house. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Re Patrick's brother....I immediately remembered CAPS posting something....I just searched and found it, but it's about the Kalpoe neighborhood...I think: ******** Quote from: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 05:37:20 PM update info to all who think patrick is a ........ Look at the address and look at the Government MAP. Patric and the Kalpoes where neighbours and not living 2 housed down. van der Eem Patrick P 4/1/1973 Curacao Seroe Patrishi 14F van der Eem Perry I 7/20/1971Curacao Seroe Pita 7A Kalpoe Bodjhperkash S 5/2/1964 Distr. Wanica Seroe Patrishi 14C Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad Santakoemarie 10/28/1968 Distr.Saramacca Seroe Patrishi 14C In 2001 Patric was already register in aruba living in Seroe Patrishi 14F while his brother Parry lived in Seroe Pita 7A. Perry live in the District of Paradera Patric, on the other hand lived in Seroe Patrishi and was the neighbour of the Kalpoes in 2001 already. He must known these kids when they were in there teens and must have spend time with them. in 2003 he moved to holland and established a business which suppose to have 8 workers but no one is working the business. in 2007 he goes after Joran to get some more out of him or was trying to make a fool of the Americans and at the same time make some money or book deal. To much of coincidence of SCAREFACE or SACREFICE and his name of the company PirTek = PaTrec same type of changing letter to confuse. SACREFICE SCAREFACE More to come.... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 01:52:39 PM 2NJ - did we ever learn where Patrick's brother is currently living? I don't recall us talking about it. Is there anyone who can confrim his currently address and the address where he was in 2005? I do recall that Patrick's brother runs a watersports company and that was where Urine supposedly new him.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 14, 2008, 01:55:03 PM Thanks for the video/sound of Dana & Jossy, Klass. It doesn't even make sense! Any prosecutor would LOVE someone to TAKE a polygraph -- you just can't use it in court to CONVICT someone. It is VERY useful to gauge veracity.Jossy is a hero-he rocks! Everyone knows that reputable LE uses lie detectors only as a tool to try to get to the truth.....who is Mos fooling ? Unreal. Mos = Tool Exactly ! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 14, 2008, 01:59:32 PM Does anyone know if the Diario witness statements are also being published in Dutch and American newspapers? These statements could be very helpful in rallying public opinion and putting more pressure on Aruba. If they only remain in Aruba, the rest of the world won't know about them. Does anyone have newspaper connections???? At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light. meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days. Oh, my word ! Dare we get our hopes up ?? Oh, why not !! Plan B sounds BEAUTIFUL to me ! OORAH! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 14, 2008, 02:10:03 PM 2NJ - did we ever learn where Patrick's brother is currently living? I don't recall us talking about it. Is there anyone who can confrim his currently address and the address where he was in 2005? I do recall that Patrick's brother runs a watersports company and that was where Urine supposedly new him. SS, I don't recall reading the brother's current address.....not sure the database CAPS accessed has/had current info or if it was a combo of both old & new, or if anyone else has access to such. I also recall the watersports company being discussed. Wish I could help. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 02:21:29 PM If you listen carefully, you can hear Rudy Smurf saying, "Run Paul, Run".
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 14, 2008, 02:29:26 PM If you listen carefully, you can hear Rudy Smurf saying, "Run Paul, Run". you have no idea how happy I am that the spot light is finally where it belongs - on Paulus. I think Minnesota Dad and myself have been the two most vocal on that guy's involvement. there are a few others too... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 02:42:11 PM If you listen carefully, you can hear Rudy Smurf saying, "Run Paul, Run". you have no idea how happy I am that the spot light is finally where it belongs - on Paulus. I think Minnesota Dad and myself have been the two most vocal on that guy's involvement. there are a few others too... Yes Rob, you have been all over him. I am concerned that Paulass will bolt. If not, I wonder if the citizens of Aruba will be in his front yard, just like the Anthonys. Hey, does Fox have a cam in Aruba??? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: GreatOwl on September 14, 2008, 02:46:22 PM Capslock is awesome! He's the MAN! I will second that and also everyone of the posters here! I just hope Nat's case is solved soon. It's been too long especially with all of the cover ups and corruption etc. I usually read here(for years) but don't post. I am very excited about this. I'm excited too! I really can't get too excited over this. How many times have we been down this path during these last years. It is one thing to have "reports" and "evidence" uncovered. It is quite another to expect the that judicial system in Aruba is about to accept anything at this point. Not to be too negative about this, but I doubt the "judges" would even act on an actual video tape of the crime. The judicial system is corrupt and will not act to resolve this issue. I do hope I am wrong..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: Bump Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 02:49:41 PM If you listen carefully, you can hear Rudy Smurf saying, "Run Paul, Run". you have no idea how happy I am that the spot light is finally where it belongs - on Paulus. I think Minnesota Dad and myself have been the two most vocal on that guy's involvement. there are a few others too... Yes Rob, you have been all over him. I am concerned that Paulass will bolt. If not, I wonder if the citizens of Aruba will be in his front yard, just like the Anthonys. Hey, does Fox have a cam in Aruba??? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 02:56:25 PM Johan's posting of Julia's map prompted me to visit RU, painful as that might be. I just had to share some of the stuff that is over there. RU is so tied to Julia's nonsense and the don't see her as a major player in the cover up. They would certainly be shocked to know where Julia was the night that Natalee disappeared. - Glenda Renfro has created a map of the Monserat area. She has identified street lights and all houses where the witness could be living. Very intelligent Julia!!! - Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond. - Julia says that she hasn't spoken to the witness, but that is probably because reports have her in rehab right now. - Glenda has reported that John S. Swartz is the examiner and consultant for the Dr. Phil Show at CBS/Paramount Productions in Los Angeles. Glenda refers to him as an Entertainment Polygrapher and the monkeys would be thrilled to bestow a crown on him. - OM is smarter than a pack of monkeys. - There is speculation that Caps is Art Woods. - Charles Cores was quoted as claiming that he was told by Beth about Jug abusing both Beth and Natalee. - RU claims that Natalee was intended to be kidnapped and placed in rehab. - Tommy Twitty "offed" his cousin. - Tim Miller does not have a lot of results or credibility. This trip to Aruba is a publicity stunt and an opportunity for a free vacation. - GBMW is a live and well and posting at RU. - Jossy is trying to get even because of Luis. ss : Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond. i heard that also but it is true ? I don't know. This is the first that I have heard about Patrick's brother's house. Glenda Renfro has been saying it on RU. If it is true, there's a poetic justice here. Patrick puts Urine at the beach, but the other reports put Urine in front of his brother's house. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Re Patrick's brother....I immediately remembered CAPS posting something....I just searched and found it, but it's about the Kalpoe neighborhood...I think: ******** Quote from: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 05:37:20 PM update info to all who think patrick is a ........ Look at the address and look at the Government MAP. Patric and the Kalpoes where neighbours and not living 2 housed down. van der Eem Patrick P 4/1/1973 Curacao Seroe Patrishi 14F van der Eem Perry I 7/20/1971Curacao Seroe Pita 7A Kalpoe Bodjhperkash S 5/2/1964 Distr. Wanica Seroe Patrishi 14C Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad Santakoemarie 10/28/1968 Distr.Saramacca Seroe Patrishi 14C In 2001 Patric was already register in aruba living in Seroe Patrishi 14F while his brother Parry lived in Seroe Pita 7A. Perry live in the District of Paradera Patric, on the other hand lived in Seroe Patrishi and was the neighbour of the Kalpoes in 2001 already. He must known these kids when they were in there teens and must have spend time with them. in 2003 he moved to holland and established a business which suppose to have 8 workers but no one is working the business. in 2007 he goes after Joran to get some more out of him or was trying to make a fool of the Americans and at the same time make some money or book deal. To much of coincidence of SCAREFACE or SACREFICE and his name of the company PirTek = PaTrec same type of changing letter to confuse. SACREFICE SCAREFACE More to come.... 2jn sunsmomm Seroe Patrishi is very close to vd sloots home you see nr 57 and in the red cirlce is nr 14 it is only a few hunderd meters to joran's house (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/PATRICK_SLOOTkopie.jpg?t=1221417966) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Buckeye on September 14, 2008, 03:04:32 PM Interesting conversation at RU
resigned wrote: Who called Dompig at home? Why would any foreign media have his home number? Joran writes in his book that he had to wait until 9PM on June 10, 2005 to be taken back to his cell at the police station - it wasn't a three hour trip back to his cell - where'd he go if he wasn't in his cell at midnight? Why did the AP refuse to retract that a detainee said "something bad has happened"? Glenda Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:15 pm You know exactly who called Dompig at home. You know that CNN reported this late at night, while the local and international press were in the Parking lot of the Bubali Station. Both KJ's and v/d Straaten's cars were outside, past the legal investigation hours. AlwaysL8 Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:22 pm So....one of the 3 "young men" did confess? and because it was "past the legal investigation hours" it was an illegally obtained confession? If this is how it went down, it was still a confession, but one they could not use. Turned into a "misinformation campaign" This "investigation" was doomed the minute it was started, imo. Now, this makes sense. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 03:31:01 PM Johan's posting of Julia's map prompted me to visit RU, painful as that might be. I just had to share some of the stuff that is over there. RU is so tied to Julia's nonsense and the don't see her as a major player in the cover up. They would certainly be shocked to know where Julia was the night that Natalee disappeared. - Glenda Renfro has created a map of the Monserat area. She has identified street lights and all houses where the witness could be living. Very intelligent Julia!!! - Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond. - Julia says that she hasn't spoken to the witness, but that is probably because reports have her in rehab right now. - Glenda has reported that John S. Swartz is the examiner and consultant for the Dr. Phil Show at CBS/Paramount Productions in Los Angeles. Glenda refers to him as an Entertainment Polygrapher and the monkeys would be thrilled to bestow a crown on him. - OM is smarter than a pack of monkeys. - There is speculation that Caps is Art Woods. - Charles Cores was quoted as claiming that he was told by Beth about Jug abusing both Beth and Natalee. - RU claims that Natalee was intended to be kidnapped and placed in rehab. - Tommy Twitty "offed" his cousin. - Tim Miller does not have a lot of results or credibility. This trip to Aruba is a publicity stunt and an opportunity for a free vacation. - GBMW is a live and well and posting at RU. - Jossy is trying to get even because of Luis. ss : Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond. i heard that also but it is true ? I don't know. This is the first that I have heard about Patrick's brother's house. Glenda Renfro has been saying it on RU. If it is true, there's a poetic justice here. Patrick puts Urine at the beach, but the other reports put Urine in front of his brother's house. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Re Patrick's brother....I immediately remembered CAPS posting something....I just searched and found it, but it's about the Kalpoe neighborhood...I think: ******** Quote from: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 05:37:20 PM update info to all who think patrick is a ........ Look at the address and look at the Government MAP. Patric and the Kalpoes where neighbours and not living 2 housed down. van der Eem Patrick P 4/1/1973 Curacao Seroe Patrishi 14F van der Eem Perry I 7/20/1971Curacao Seroe Pita 7A Kalpoe Bodjhperkash S 5/2/1964 Distr. Wanica Seroe Patrishi 14C Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad Santakoemarie 10/28/1968 Distr.Saramacca Seroe Patrishi 14C In 2001 Patric was already register in aruba living in Seroe Patrishi 14F while his brother Parry lived in Seroe Pita 7A. Perry live in the District of Paradera Patric, on the other hand lived in Seroe Patrishi and was the neighbour of the Kalpoes in 2001 already. He must known these kids when they were in there teens and must have spend time with them. in 2003 he moved to holland and established a business which suppose to have 8 workers but no one is working the business. in 2007 he goes after Joran to get some more out of him or was trying to make a fool of the Americans and at the same time make some money or book deal. To much of coincidence of SCAREFACE or SACREFICE and his name of the company PirTek = PaTrec same type of changing letter to confuse. SACREFICE SCAREFACE More to come.... 2jn sunsmomm Seroe Patrishi is very close to vd sloots home you see nr 57 and in the red cirlce is nr 14 it is only a few hunderd meters to joran's house (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/PATRICK_SLOOTkopie.jpg?t=1221417966) Well, well, well ..... according to Johan's newest map, Patrick's brother doesn't live by the Monserat pond, but he does live very close to the Sloots. The Sloots and the van der Eems might have known each other afterall. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 03:40:28 PM Johan - I am confused 14 Seroe Patrishi is where Patrick lived in Aruba. He was a basically a neighbor of the Sloots - a few hundred meters away. Patrick's brother lived at 7 Seroe Pita. Is this next to the Monserat pond?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 14, 2008, 03:53:40 PM If what Jossy says is true...and I believe it is...then Mos telling this witness how nice Paulus is only serves to justify my hatred of those in charge on Aruba. As long as Mos is in Paulus corner he will never see things as they really are. Nothing a witness can say and no amount of shoes or pieces of evidence will change that. There is always two sides to every story and then there is the truth...Mos is choosing to remain on the side of the Dutch in all this and for good reason. That is where his bread is buttered. I want to see Mos come out and say they believe this witness and they have the shoe and other evidence and they are proceeding with an arrest and trial of Paulus and Joran van der Sloot. I can't do that just yet...I have been there too many times. I do believe the civil suit, if it is allowed, by Beth will serve the purpose to convict them in the court of public opinion. That is all, Beth does not care about money..it's about proving that they are the reason her daughter is missing. Nothing more. I want the Sloots to return to their own country with their heads hanging low and never have another moments peace again.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: CapsLockWizard on September 14, 2008, 04:00:53 PM Johan - I am confused 14 Seroe Patrishi is where Patrick lived in Aruba. He was a basically a neighbor of the Sloots - a few hundred meters away. Patrick's brother lived at 7 Seroe Pita. Is this next to the Monserat pond? The map is wrong....that location in red cricle is Montana Residance park....and not sero patrishi.....wrong MAP. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 04:05:41 PM Johan - I am confused 14 Seroe Patrishi is where Patrick lived in Aruba. He was a basically a neighbor of the Sloots - a few hundred meters away. Patrick's brother lived at 7 Seroe Pita. Is this next to the Monserat pond? No ss he lives in Baradera [is a area ] (it is not Paradera what caps said ) it is not far from Oranjestad (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Baraderakopie.jpg?t=1221422487) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 04:09:05 PM Johan - I am confused 14 Seroe Patrishi is where Patrick lived in Aruba. He was a basically a neighbor of the Sloots - a few hundred meters away. Patrick's brother lived at 7 Seroe Pita. Is this next to the Monserat pond? The map is wrong....that location in red cricle is Montana Residance park....and not sero patrishi.....wrong MAP. i don't know were nr 14 is caps but google earth said nr 57 is there on that map Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 14, 2008, 04:22:15 PM Regardless of who is Prosecutor on Aruba ... they have been and will continue to be (in the future/any future Prosecutors) instructed NOT to follow up on any and all leads given/make sure any evidence disappears etc., etc., and most of all, NOT to Prosecute anyone regarding Natalee's case. ESPECIALLY any Sloot --Period.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: truthseeker2 on September 14, 2008, 04:29:35 PM Regardless of who is Prosecutor on Aruba ... they have been and will continue to be (in the future/any future Prosecutors) instructed NOT to follow up on any and all leads given/make sure any evidence disappears etc., etc., and most of all, NOT to Prosecute anyone regarding Natalee's case. ESPECIALLY any Sloot --Period. Exactly. This was decided on May 30th. The Dutch do whatever they want on Aruba. They always have. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 04:35:13 PM Maybe the marks on google earth are on the wrong place i don't know ::MonkeyHaHa::
seroe patrishi 59 is here (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/seroe59kopie.jpg?t=1221424228) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 04:37:52 PM Seroe Patrishi (appartement) is here ::MonkeyHaHa::
(http://www.casacama.com/Casanew/uploads/oranjestad_patrishi.JPG) (http://www.casacama.com/Casanew/uploads/arubamap_patrishi.GIF) http://www.casacama.com/Casanew/index_huizen_detail.php?id=244 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 04:51:14 PM Johan - I have a great idea. Let's just ask Julia Renfro. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 05:10:24 PM Johan - I have a great idea. Let's just ask Julia Renfro. ::MonkeyHaHa:: yes and a bit promotion for the island ::MonkeyNoNo:: Review: Aruba My family and I just returned from a week long vacation in Aruba. My husband and I are in our mid-forties and our children are 17 and 13 years old The first night there our room overlooked the downtown area on the north side of the building. There were numerous nightclubs and restaurants visible from out hotel room window. Everything was fine until about 10 PM when the nightclubs started blaring their dance music and this continued until about 4 AM. The lovely roar of Harleys (there are many motorcycle enthusiasts in Aruba) joined the pounding beat of the music and needless to say, I had a terrible time getting any sleep. My husband and 17 year-old slept right through it, but my 13 year-old and I just laid awake listening to it. Since it was Saturday night I assumed the next night, Sunday, would be much more quiet......WRONG......every night is party night in Aruba! The music and motorcycles started up again Sunday night and kept us awake for night number two. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 14, 2008, 05:19:04 PM Maybe the marks on google earth are on the wrong place i don't know ::MonkeyHaHa:: seroe patrishi 59 is here (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/seroe59kopie.jpg?t=1221424228) that is Paradera... but the rest is wrong. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 14, 2008, 05:23:55 PM Johan, the area or district is called Paradera - like the district of Noord. In the district are the neighborhoods. Like Montanja.
That district is Paradera and it is bigger than Noord. I just don't think that is Seroe Patrishi.... but I could be wrong also. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 14, 2008, 05:26:19 PM Interesting conversation at RU resigned wrote: Who called Dompig at home? Why would any foreign media have his home number? Joran writes in his book that he had to wait until 9PM on June 10, 2005 to be taken back to his cell at the police station - it wasn't a three hour trip back to his cell - where'd he go if he wasn't in his cell at midnight? Why did the AP refuse to retract that a detainee said "something bad has happened"? Glenda Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:15 pm You know exactly who called Dompig at home. You know that CNN reported this late at night, while the local and international press were in the Parking lot of the Bubali Station. Both KJ's and v/d Straaten's cars were outside, past the legal investigation hours. AlwaysL8 Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:22 pm So....one of the 3 "young men" did confess? and because it was "past the legal investigation hours" it was an illegally obtained confession? If this is how it went down, it was still a confession, but one they could not use. Turned into a "misinformation campaign" This "investigation" was doomed the minute it was started, imo. Now, this makes sense. wow, it only took 40 months to figure that all out. I congratulate them. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 05:28:14 PM Johan, the area or district is called Paradera - like the district of Noord. In the district are the neighborhoods. Like Montanja. That district is Paradera and it is bigger than Noord. I just don't think that is Seroe Patrishi.... but I could be wrong also. not easy somethims rob were can i find a clickable map of aruba ? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 14, 2008, 05:31:31 PM Johan, the area or district is called Paradera - like the district of Noord. In the district are the neighborhoods. Like Montanja. That district is Paradera and it is bigger than Noord. I just don't think that is Seroe Patrishi.... but I could be wrong also. not easy somethims rob were can i find a clickable map of aruba ? I used to have one....let me look for it.... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 14, 2008, 05:36:22 PM http://www.aruba-vacation-packages.com/arubamap.htm
not the one I was hoping to find in my stuff...but here is one. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 14, 2008, 05:45:24 PM What time is the article coming out, and will it be posted here?????? Thankyou.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 14, 2008, 05:47:02 PM http://www.aruba.com/about/regionalmap.php clickable.....but still not the one I am looking for, Johan.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 14, 2008, 05:49:14 PM http://www.aruba.com/about/regionalmap.php clickable.....but still not the one I am looking for, Johan. haha thanks nut 4x4 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 05:49:57 PM What time is the article coming out, and will it be posted here?????? Thankyou. A-1 - it's going to be published tomorrow in Diario. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 14, 2008, 05:52:38 PM What time is the article coming out, and will it be posted here?????? Thankyou. A-1 - it's going to be published tomorrow in Diario. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 05:55:35 PM Will Diario be at the "Plan B" meeting today??
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 14, 2008, 05:58:05 PM Will Diario be at the "Plan B" meeting today?? Hi Wreck, can you explain more about the plan B meeting. I have (like a lot of you ) been running back and forth between forums and the front page and housework, etc. and missed it. Thanks a bunch!!!Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 05:58:18 PM Will Diario be at the "Plan B" meeting today?? I don't know, but I would guess that Jossy will be there either in person or by conference phone. The meeting should be starting in a few minutes. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 14, 2008, 05:58:49 PM Johan, the area or district is called Paradera - like the district of Noord. In the district are the neighborhoods. Like Montanja. That district is Paradera and it is bigger than Noord. I just don't think that is Seroe Patrishi.... but I could be wrong also. not easy somethims rob were can i find a clickable map of aruba ? I make my own because the online stuff is not very reliable. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 06:00:26 PM Will Diario be at the "Plan B" meeting today?? Hi Wreck, can you explain more about the plan B meeting. I have (like a lot of you ) been running back and forth between forums and the front page and housework, etc. and missed it. Thanks a bunch!!!Quote At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light. meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 06:03:49 PM I wonder if the meeting is being held in Aruba or somewhere else. We have heard that Jossy is in the US and we have heard that the witness is being protected and is not on Aruba. Tim is back in Texas. Who is still in Aruba for the Plan B meeting?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 14, 2008, 06:08:02 PM Will Diario be at the "Plan B" meeting today?? Hi Wreck, can you explain more about the plan B meeting. I have (like a lot of you ) been running back and forth between forums and the front page and housework, etc. and missed it. Thanks a bunch!!!Quote At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light. meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 06:11:01 PM Will Diario be at the "Plan B" meeting today?? Hi Wreck, can you explain more about the plan B meeting. I have (like a lot of you ) been running back and forth between forums and the front page and housework, etc. and missed it. Thanks a bunch!!!Quote At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light. meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 06:12:34 PM or EDT ??? ...beats me!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 14, 2008, 06:16:30 PM or EDT ??? ...beats me! Ok, thank you....Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Kermit on September 14, 2008, 06:30:45 PM (http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8122/datelinedavehollowaygdhee8.jpg)
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/17/justgiveherbackxm6.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 06:32:47 PM Interesting...
Glenda Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:10 pm Actually: The something bad happened was reported by CNN just before Midnight, and by the AP just after midnight. This all happened while ALL media was in the parking lot of the Bubali Police Station. Dompig was at home and was not on the case. Dompig only spoke to the stringer and nobody else. Glenda Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 3:32 pm Glenda: Tito works for Caribbean Speed Printers, publishers of Bon Dia and Aruba Today. Caribbean Speed Printers also prints Amigoe and Solo di Pueblo. resigned: Is he currently an AP "stringer" for any of the print media with CSP? Glenda: No he is not. Although prior to June 2005 he'd been both the AP and CNN stringer. I said stringer... And the stringer told CNN that he'd just spoken to the Deputy Chief of Police and that one of the boys must have confessed that something bad must of happened to N.H. as it is against the law to question a suspect at that hour. CNN ran with it, Norton was not on the island at the time, but "probably" contacted the AP stringer to confirm the breaking news that ran on CNN. Fox was on the ground at the Bubali Police Station together with NBC and ABC and did not have a local stringer.... FOX ran with the story the next day after CNN and AP had already retracted. And then, Glenda gets caught.... Glenda wrote: I am 100% positive that there were no reports from the ALE, OM or anyone official. They were taking the interpretation of the Stringer, who spoke to the Deputy Chief of Police from the parking lot of the Bubali Police Station. I was there, I heard the conversations in both languages. CNN and the AP had one source = stringer. resigned Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 3:48 pm You are talking in circles......an AP stringer is someone who file reports for the AP...right? He would have been the one filing the below report: Quote: AP - ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - New developments in the case of an Alabama teen who disappeared while on a school trip in Aruba. Police in Aruba say one of three young men who took her to the beach has confessed that he killed her. A police official tells The Associated Press that the man is leading police to the scene of the crime. Natalee Holloway was last seen on May 30th. (Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) AP-NY-06-11-05 0014EDT How else would the AP have gotten the information ? From CNN? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Hotshot on September 14, 2008, 06:33:13 PM I wonder if the meeting is being held in Aruba or somewhere else. We have heard that Jossy is in the US and we have heard that the witness is being protected and is not on Aruba. Tim is back in Texas. Who is still in Aruba for the Plan B meeting? SS Jossy is in Aruba. Tim did talk with Jossy there in aruba. There is a meeting today, there are more people who have come foward is all I can say. I am not sure if that is going to be in tomorrows paper, but somewhere in jossy's chat with Dana I think he said that. Maybe there are a few plans in effect right now. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Rob on September 14, 2008, 06:55:55 PM ohh geez...
not the time zone thing again. Aruba is currently on the same time as the east coast. it is 6:55 pm here (east coast) and on Aruba. it is 5:55 pm in Alabama. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 14, 2008, 06:58:07 PM I need to run out for a few hours this evening but I thought I'd leave you with this ::MonkeyHaHa::
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/Sweatyrunningman-new2.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 14, 2008, 07:04:45 PM ::cartwheel:: HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: oldencrabby on September 14, 2008, 07:17:16 PM ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
Hi monks! I take a break and come back to see "sweatyrunningman! Mercy me! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I am happy to hear there is some action again! This family needs closure, it's been far too long. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: sharon on September 14, 2008, 07:19:18 PM Interesting conversation at RU resigned wrote: Who called Dompig at home? Why would any foreign media have his home number? Joran writes in his book that he had to wait until 9PM on June 10, 2005 to be taken back to his cell at the police station - it wasn't a three hour trip back to his cell - where'd he go if he wasn't in his cell at midnight? Why did the AP refuse to retract that a detainee said "something bad has happened"? Glenda Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:15 pm You know exactly who called Dompig at home. You know that CNN reported this late at night, while the local and international press were in the Parking lot of the Bubali Station. Both KJ's and v/d Straaten's cars were outside, past the legal investigation hours. AlwaysL8 Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:22 pm So....one of the 3 "young men" did confess? and because it was "past the legal investigation hours" it was an illegally obtained confession? If this is how it went down, it was still a confession, but one they could not use. Turned into a "misinformation campaign" This "investigation" was doomed the minute it was started, imo. Now, this makes sense. Thanks, Buckeye. I always felt this was the thruth. We were told that Paulus was a stickler for the letter of the law. (The Boxtel stuff). Any and all evidence was deemed inadmissable. For one reason or another in accordance with the law. And the skank confirms it. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: kkate on September 14, 2008, 07:23:16 PM I need to run out for a few hours this evening but I thought I'd leave you with this ::MonkeyHaHa:: (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/Sweatyrunningman-new2.gif) LOVE IT ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 07:26:03 PM ohh geez... ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yeah, but then I couldn't remember if they observe daylight savings or not!not the time zone thing again. Aruba is currently on the same time as the east coast. it is 6:55 pm here (east coast) and on Aruba. it is 5:55 pm in Alabama. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: San on September 14, 2008, 07:30:32 PM (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/LOCK2.gif)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 14, 2008, 07:31:48 PM HAHAHAaaaaaaaa SAN!! I was just ready to do datttt! LOL!!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: San on September 14, 2008, 07:34:38 PM HAHAHAaaaaaaaa SAN!! I was just ready to do datttt! LOL!! Sorry Nut ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 07:39:33 PM SS Jossy is in Aruba. Tim did talk with Jossy there in aruba. There is a meeting today, there are more people who have come foward is all I can say[/color]. I am not sure if that is going to be in tomorrows paper, but somewhere in jossy's chat with Dana I think he said that. Maybe there are a few plans in effect right now. I'm liking this Hotshot. Bringing down the house of cards. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 07:40:51 PM I need to run out for a few hours this evening but I thought I'd leave you with this ::MonkeyHaHa:: (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/Sweatyrunningman-new2.gif) I live for the day he's locked up and has no access to a car! ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 07:43:30 PM SS Jossy is in Aruba. Tim did talk with Jossy there in aruba. There is a meeting today, there are more people who have come foward is all I can say[/color]. I am not sure if that is going to be in tomorrows paper, but somewhere in jossy's chat with Dana I think he said that. Maybe there are a few plans in effect right now. I'm liking this Hotshot. Bringing down the house of cards. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 07:43:58 PM Thanks, Buckeye. I always felt this was the thruth. We were told that Paulus was a stickler for the letter of the law. (The Boxtel stuff). Any and all evidence was deemed inadmissable. For one reason or another in accordance with the law. And the skank confirms it. ::MonkeyNoNo:: If they don't have a law they'll make one up to suit their needs, Sharon. ::MonkeyWink:: Kinda like that no plea bargaining thing, which we found out was a farce. ::MonkeyRoll:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 14, 2008, 07:44:52 PM I want to see Paulus is handcuffs!!!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 07:46:14 PM ohh geez... ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yeah, but then I couldn't remember if they observe daylight savings or not!not the time zone thing again. Aruba is currently on the same time as the east coast. it is 6:55 pm here (east coast) and on Aruba. it is 5:55 pm in Alabama. They're on Allday Drinking and Drugging Time. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 07:47:32 PM I want to see Paulus is handcuffs!!! I want to see him develop a meaningful relationship in prison. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Hotshot on September 14, 2008, 07:49:16 PM SS Jossy is in Aruba. Tim did talk with Jossy there in aruba. There is a meeting today, there are more people who have come foward is all I can say[/color]. I am not sure if that is going to be in tomorrows paper, but somewhere in jossy's chat with Dana I think he said that. Maybe there are a few plans in effect right now. I'm liking this Hotshot. Bringing down the house of cards. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 07:55:06 PM I certainly don't want to give Caps' identity away -- but can someone at least tell us if he/she is a person that is known to many on Aruba or has a "reputation"??
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: echosofangels on September 14, 2008, 08:04:14 PM I need to run out for a few hours this evening but I thought I'd leave you with this ::MonkeyHaHa:: (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/Sweatyrunningman-new2.gif) I live for the day he's locked up and has no access to a car! ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: j2k too Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 14, 2008, 08:04:35 PM I have no idea. I do not even have any idea if any one else has an idea, lol.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Hotshot on September 14, 2008, 08:08:01 PM Caps is not well known, but need to keep it that way..
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 08:10:27 PM Caps is not well known, but need to keep it that way.. Thanks! (that is all I need to know) ::MonkeyCool::Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 14, 2008, 08:17:38 PM Well, God bless CAPS & all involved in bringing forth decisive progress !
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 14, 2008, 08:52:36 PM I really have to shut down now...hope that is okay. Nite. Go slowwwwwwwww, lol.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: San on September 14, 2008, 08:55:22 PM I really have to shut down now...hope that is okay. Nite. Go slowwwwwwwww, lol. It's OK Nut. Have a good night. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Hotshot on September 14, 2008, 09:12:08 PM Here is to show Julia/Glenda she is wrong again. There are lights on the courts near Monstrat pond.... And I was told they were on at night. Guess Glenda is on one of her delusional rants.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/juliacourts.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Miss Scarlet on September 14, 2008, 09:24:22 PM Here is to show Julia/Glenda she is wrong again. There are lights on the courts near Monstrat pond.... And I was told they were on at night. Guess Glenda is on one of her delusional rants. (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/juliacourts.jpg) Remember all the discussions regarding Joran in a facility and how it would somehow 'protect' him? Maybe that's why Julia is now rumored to be in rehab. Considering her hand in this whole affair, she should be in a world of trouble. imo Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: San on September 14, 2008, 09:31:04 PM Here is to show Julia/Glenda she is wrong again. There are lights on the courts near Monstrat pond.... And I was told they were on at night. Guess Glenda is on one of her delusional rants. (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/juliacourts.jpg) Remember all the discussions regarding Joran in a facility and how it would somehow 'protect' him? Maybe that's why Julia is now rumored to be in rehab. Considering her hand in this whole affair, she should be in a world of trouble. imo Can she be extridited to the U.S. being that she is a citizen of the U.S. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 09:33:44 PM Here is to show Julia/Glenda she is wrong again. There are lights on the courts near Monstrat pond.... And I was told they were on at night. Guess Glenda is on one of her delusional rants. (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/juliacourts.jpg) Remember all the discussions regarding Joran in a facility and how it would somehow 'protect' him? Maybe that's why Julia is now rumored to be in rehab. Considering her hand in this whole affair, she should be in a world of trouble. imo Can she be extridited to the U.S. being that she is a citizen of the U.S. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 09:34:48 PM Any news about Plan B? Is Diario a morning newspaper? Paulass probably knows what's coming, but I'd still like to be the mouse in the woodwork when the newspaper arrives. Can Paulass charge Diario with slander for printing the witness statement?
I certainly do hope that Urine is proud of what he and his loser friends have done to upset so many lives on Aruba and in the US. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Miss Scarlet on September 14, 2008, 09:37:18 PM One of the tragic and sad things too is . . . so many individuals that live there see nothing wrong with so many facets of what transpired in the Natalee Holloway case. They can't look inward to imagine how they would feel if it happened within their own circle. Truly callous people. Pitiful. Really.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: San on September 14, 2008, 09:40:07 PM Here is to show Julia/Glenda she is wrong again. There are lights on the courts near Monstrat pond.... And I was told they were on at night. Guess Glenda is on one of her delusional rants. (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/juliacourts.jpg) Remember all the discussions regarding Joran in a facility and how it would somehow 'protect' him? Maybe that's why Julia is now rumored to be in rehab. Considering her hand in this whole affair, she should be in a world of trouble. imo Can she be extridited to the U.S. being that she is a citizen of the U.S. I hope she rots there. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Blue Moon on September 14, 2008, 09:42:09 PM Here is to show Julia/Glenda she is wrong again. There are lights on the courts near Monstrat pond.... And I was told they were on at night. Guess Glenda is on one of her delusional rants. (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/juliacourts.jpg) Remember all the discussions regarding Joran in a facility and how it would somehow 'protect' him? Maybe that's why Julia is now rumored to be in rehab. Considering her hand in this whole affair, she should be in a world of trouble. imo Can she be extridited to the U.S. being that she is a citizen of the U.S. Good one San. That's a question John Q. Kelly should be able to answer. Interesting. Wish it could happen as she has been right in the middle of this from the beginning. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Miss Scarlet on September 14, 2008, 09:59:34 PM Sitting on pins and needles waiting for the news - what time does the Diario publish?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 10:02:48 PM Sitting on pins and needles waiting for the news - what time does the Diario publish? Don't forget that Diario is published in Pap -- we will need it translated! ::MonkeyNoNo::Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 14, 2008, 10:08:08 PM One of the tragic and sad things too is . . . so many individuals that live there see nothing wrong with so many facets of what transpired in the Natalee Holloway case. They can't look inward to imagine how they would feel if it happened within their own circle. Truly callous people. Pitiful. Really. I agree...that has always been shocking & disgusting to me. I surely wouldn't want to live in a place such as that. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 10:09:36 PM I hope she rots there. Ain't that the truth. If she never came back to the U.S. it would be fine with me. She's right where she belongs, living with the scum of the earth, birds of a feather. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 14, 2008, 10:10:17 PM Sitting on pins and needles waiting for the news - what time does the Diario publish? Don't forget that Diario is published in Pap -- we will need it translated! ::MonkeyNoNo::LOL-surely we know much of that language by now ! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 14, 2008, 10:13:32 PM Confessions after hours not able to be used...
Witness vs Suspect status manipulated... It seems they spend more time circumventing the law than enforcing the law. Would it surprise anyone if (1) Joran was on conference call (while in jail) with people... (2) Paulus saw all files and evidence... (3) Physical evidence was destroyed or intentionally lost... (4) The deceased body of NH was "professioanlly handled"... (5) Forensic teams "cleansed" areas rather "searched" areas... (6) Night-time meetings took place with known players... (7) Prosecutors were instructed how to botch/mishandle the case... (8) Paulus met (behind the scenes) with judges, investigators, prosecutors... (9) People (supposedly) helping BHT were actually leading her in wrong directions... (10) Everyone knew exactly what happened in the first 72 hours... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 10:13:53 PM Well, the question is moot -- do you really think the Aruban government would actually extradite her to the USA????? The bigger question is, does the Aruban government do anything but protect the self interests of the elite class who run it? People like Julia and Renee are their groupies, groveling at their feet, hoping to be thrown a bone. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 10:14:27 PM Sitting on pins and needles waiting for the news - what time does the Diario publish? Don't forget that Diario is published in Pap -- we will need it translated! ::MonkeyNoNo::LOL-surely we know much of that language by now ! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 14, 2008, 10:15:06 PM I thought CAPS could read Pap and Dutch.....
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 10:20:27 PM Any news about Plan B? Is Diario a morning newspaper? Paulass probably knows what's coming, but I'd still like to be the mouse in the woodwork when the newspaper arrives. Can Paulass charge Diario with slander for printing the witness statement? I certainly do hope that Urine is proud of what he and his loser friends have done to upset so many lives on Aruba and in the US. Joran has cost them at least a half billion dollars in tourism receipts, very possibly twice that amount, over the 3 1/2 years. It's amazing they think he's worth it given that he fled the fleabag island and has dog-cussed them since. Had they solved the case they would be on firmer ground to survive the ass-whuppin' the fuel crisis has inflicted on Caribbean travel with no end in sight. Tough shit Aruba. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 10:24:35 PM Any news about Plan B? Is Diario a morning newspaper? Paulass probably knows what's coming, but I'd still like to be the mouse in the woodwork when the newspaper arrives. Can Paulass charge Diario with slander for printing the witness statement? I certainly do hope that Urine is proud of what he and his loser friends have done to upset so many lives on Aruba and in the US. Joran has cost them at least a half billion dollars in tourism receipts, very possibly twice that amount, over the 3 1/2 years. It's amazing they think he's worth it given that he fled the fleabag island and has dog-cussed them since. Had they solved the case they would be on firmer ground to survive the ass-whuppin' the fuel crisis has inflicted on Caribbean travel with no end in sight. Tough shit Aruba. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 14, 2008, 10:28:55 PM Timeline starting to narrow a bit...
(1) NH was carved out at or near closing time (2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???) (3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in (4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish) (5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish) (6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish) Questions: Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish? Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time? Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit?? What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how? Miscellaneous: Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man. Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 10:35:58 PM Joran has cost them at least a half billion dollars in tourism receipts, very possibly twice that amount, over the 3 1/2 years. It's amazing they think he's worth it given that he fled the fleabag island and has dog-cussed them since. Had they solved the case they would be on firmer ground to survive the ass-whuppin' the fuel crisis has inflicted on Caribbean travel with no end in sight. Tough shit Aruba. That is exactly WHY we know that more than just Joran is involved. Some very big players (who do have clout) must be involved! You betcha, Wreck. They would have to be big players to get hit that hard time and again, and you can bet they're protecting something illegal. Think about it, anybody on the up and up would have thrown the Van der Scum under the bus a long time ago. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Miss Scarlet on September 14, 2008, 10:38:49 PM Any news about Plan B? Is Diario a morning newspaper? Paulass probably knows what's coming, but I'd still like to be the mouse in the woodwork when the newspaper arrives. Can Paulass charge Diario with slander for printing the witness statement? I certainly do hope that Urine is proud of what he and his loser friends have done to upset so many lives on Aruba and in the US. Joran has cost them at least a half billion dollars in tourism receipts, very possibly twice that amount, over the 3 1/2 years. It's amazing they think he's worth it given that he fled the fleabag island and has dog-cussed them since. Had they solved the case they would be on firmer ground to survive the ass-whuppin' the fuel crisis has inflicted on Caribbean travel with no end in sight. Tough shit Aruba. Plus, they have long passed the point of no return. They best become self sufficient in their own right, because the days of 'tourism' are OVER. They only used that as a cover anyway. Their main source of support is ill-gotten gains. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 10:39:27 PM Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict. Hopefully someone over their heads has resurrected some of these witnesses as well as taken inventory on the missing evidence. I have said it many times, only Holland can bring this gang down, they are too corrupted and self invested. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 10:41:54 PM Any news about Plan B? Is Diario a morning newspaper? Paulass probably knows what's coming, but I'd still like to be the mouse in the woodwork when the newspaper arrives. Can Paulass charge Diario with slander for printing the witness statement? I certainly do hope that Urine is proud of what he and his loser friends have done to upset so many lives on Aruba and in the US. Joran has cost them at least a half billion dollars in tourism receipts, very possibly twice that amount, over the 3 1/2 years. It's amazing they think he's worth it given that he fled the fleabag island and has dog-cussed them since. Had they solved the case they would be on firmer ground to survive the ass-whuppin' the fuel crisis has inflicted on Caribbean travel with no end in sight. Tough shit Aruba. Plus, they have long passed the point of no return. They best become self sufficient in their own right, because the days of 'tourism' are OVER. They only used that as a cover anyway. Their main source of support is ill-gotten gains. Might I suggest sugar cane? The only thing you have to do is keep the local thugs out of the fields and without all those tourists to drug and rape they'll probably leave the island on their own accord. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 14, 2008, 10:45:32 PM I suggest "gravel". Export that big rock one stone at a time til it's gone.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Dayhiker on September 14, 2008, 10:47:11 PM Timeline starting to narrow a bit... (1) NH was carved out at or near closing time (2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???) (3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in (4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish) (5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish) (6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish) Questions: Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish? Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time? Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit?? What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how? Miscellaneous: Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man. Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict. With Joran's 2:30 home arrival shot to hell it opens the door to a disposal, tempory or permnent, that actively includes Paulus. We have this new witness who saw them out and about, but there's another as well. Remember Paulus' "two contacts with Natalee" mentioned in the court case where his compensation was denied? Apparently there is another witness and very possibly communications records to support his involvement. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 14, 2008, 10:47:17 PM I need to run out for a few hours this evening but I thought I'd leave you with this ::MonkeyHaHa:: (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/Sweatyrunningman-new2.gif) Bumped....because it's priceless....sweaty, but priceless. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Miss Scarlet on September 14, 2008, 10:51:08 PM I suggest "gravel". Export that big rock one stone at a time til it's gone. Perfect! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: always 1 on September 14, 2008, 11:07:35 PM Good nite you alll -----hugs.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 14, 2008, 11:18:28 PM Timeline starting to narrow a bit... (1) NH was carved out at or near closing time (2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???) (3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in (4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish) (5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish) (6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish) Questions: Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish? Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time? Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit?? What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how? Miscellaneous: Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man. Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict. There was a group of party-goers at a location near the Monserat pond. Julia Renfro was reported to be one of the party-goers. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Magnolia on September 14, 2008, 11:24:34 PM The online Dairio says Monday. Sept 15 at the top of the page.
I have not found Jossy's article yet. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 15, 2008, 12:12:09 AM Sitting on pins and needles waiting for the news - what time does the Diario publish? Don't forget that Diario is published in Pap -- we will need it translated! ::MonkeyNoNo::LOL-surely we know much of that language by now ! ::MonkeyHaHa:: That's the truth ! LOL. "Prevent morto....take a bus." ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Ono on September 15, 2008, 12:24:28 AM Timeline starting to narrow a bit... (1) NH was carved out at or near closing time (2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???) (3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in (4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish) (5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish) (6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish) Questions: Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish? Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time? Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit?? What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how? Miscellaneous: Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man. Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict. With Joran's 2:30 home arrival shot to hell it opens the door to a disposal, tempory or permnent, that actively includes Paulus. We have this new witness who saw them out and about, but there's another as well. Remember Paulus' "two contacts with Natalee" mentioned in the court case where his compensation was denied? Apparently there is another witness and very possibly communications records to support his involvement. What about that person we all thought was Paulus in the casino that fateful night-was that ever proven to be, or not to be, him ? [ That's one contact & then ? ---Helping Joran hide her body ? ]... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 15, 2008, 02:58:46 AM (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/LOCK2.gif) BUMP Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 15, 2008, 02:59:57 AM No concrete proof that I am aware of, but there are so many of us that 'know' it is him...if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 15, 2008, 03:25:48 AM where was the (Alex )old SPICE Night Club ?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 15, 2008, 04:42:22 AM strange diario is offline ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www.diario-aruba.com/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 15, 2008, 07:32:23 AM strange diario is offline ::MonkeyConfused:: http://www.diario-aruba.com/ I wonder if they are updating their website for the day or if ALE has possibly cut off their internet access. Is TES involved in the search and rescue that is going on along the Texas coast? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 15, 2008, 07:41:50 AM strange diario is offline ::MonkeyConfused:: http://www.diario-aruba.com/ I wonder if they are updating their website for the day or if ALE has possibly cut off their internet access. Is TES involved in the search and rescue that is going on along the Texas coast? updating ? no no i think the site is hacked i remember this post on the ducth nwo blog February 28th, 2008 at 16:00 Warning to anyone who dares Renee Gielen ask questions about sources: you get fraudulent phone calls and your computer is hacked. I dare not even to say who I am but will be very grateful for this information sharing I stop posting here , it's too dangerous. Renee, please be honest and tell everyone that you are a friend of Joran and his mother and the official spokesperson of the Van der Slors family, therefore, they can understand your motives more clearly. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 15, 2008, 08:00:25 AM strange diario is offline ::MonkeyConfused:: http://www.diario-aruba.com/ I wonder if they are updating their website for the day or if ALE has possibly cut off their internet access. Is TES involved in the search and rescue that is going on along the Texas coast? updating ? no no i think the site is hacked i remember this post on the ducth nwo blog February 28th, 2008 at 16:00 Warning to anyone who dares Renee Gielen ask questions about sources: you get fraudulent phone calls and your computer is hacked. I dare not even to say who I am but will be very grateful for this information sharing I stop posting here , it's too dangerous. Renee, please be honest and tell everyone that you are a friend of Joran and his mother and the official spokesperson of the Van der Slors family, therefore, they can understand your motives more clearly. this will no say she (RG) did this Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 15, 2008, 08:03:21 AM Here is to show Julia/Glenda she is wrong again. There are lights on the courts near Monstrat pond.... And I was told they were on at night. Guess Glenda is on one of her delusional rants. (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/juliacourts.jpg) All the light on in the middle of the night ???? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 15, 2008, 08:03:26 AM I wonder if Red can get us a translated version of the article from another source.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: WhiskeyGirl on September 15, 2008, 08:07:30 AM Timeline starting to narrow a bit... (1) NH was carved out at or near closing time (2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???) (3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in (4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish) (5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish) (6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish) Questions: Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish? Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time? Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit?? What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how? Miscellaneous: Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man. Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict. With Joran's 2:30 home arrival shot to hell it opens the door to a disposal, tempory or permnent, that actively includes Paulus. We have this new witness who saw them out and about, but there's another as well. Remember Paulus' "two contacts with Natalee" mentioned in the court case where his compensation was denied? Apparently there is another witness and very possibly communications records to support his involvement. Who dropped off Joran at or near the pond? Could Natalee have been in a coma at that time? Perhaps she was left in the middle of the pond while still alive along with JVDS shoe? No hope of surviving? Three witnesses to her condition, the drop off driver, JVDS, and Natalee? Could ALE or someone have recovered the body from the pond? Would the body show that Natalee expired before being put in the pond? Or, that she drowned (or something like that) after being put in the pond? Is it possible that 2K did not drop Joran off anywhere but home or the VIP club? Could J2K have recovered the body the following night and perhaps it was in the trunk of the Kalpoe vehicle when the posse arrived? I wonder if Joran's clothing was wet at some point that night? IIRC, they were a described as a bit dirty and not in casino appropriate clothing. Maybe there was another person involved in pulling the body? Or, the pond was searched early on, and the body planted there later? I also wonder about the witness that reported the Kalpoe vehicle headed to JVDS home in the early morning hours. How many witness may have come forward with car sightings? IIRC, the Kalpoe vehicle was distinctive and loud. jmho Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: echosofangels on September 15, 2008, 08:09:55 AM Timeline starting to narrow a bit... (1) NH was carved out at or near closing time (2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???) (3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in (4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish) (5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish) (6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish) Questions: Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish? Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time? Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit?? What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how? Miscellaneous: Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man. Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict. With Joran's 2:30 home arrival shot to hell it opens the door to a disposal, tempory or permnent, that actively includes Paulus. We have this new witness who saw them out and about, but there's another as well. Remember Paulus' "two contacts with Natalee" mentioned in the court case where his compensation was denied? Apparently there is another witness and very possibly communications records to support his involvement. What about that person we all thought was Paulus in the casino that fateful night-was that ever proven to be, or not to be, him ? [ That's one contact & then ? ---Helping Joran hide her body ? ]... It has been reported Not to be Paulus. but, With all the lies and cover up......Can that Be believed? I Think not. MO Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: SS on September 15, 2008, 08:15:46 AM At one point, we were told that three cars were involved. Car #1 was the Kalpoes who had gone home and returned. Car #2 was DTKM (Dirty Hand/Daury?) and another official in the car. Car #2 called Paulass to pick up Urine who was walking. Paulass became Car #3.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Sharon/Tx on September 15, 2008, 08:24:29 AM strange diario is offline ::MonkeyConfused:: http://www.diario-aruba.com/ I wonder if they are updating their website for the day or if ALE has possibly cut off their internet access. Is TES involved in the search and rescue that is going on along the Texas coast? I keep watching and listening but have not heard anything about TES. Their area also got hit hard so I presume many volunteers are without power. If I hear anything here in Houston, I will post. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: BUCKSHOT on September 15, 2008, 08:42:48 AM Timeline starting to narrow a bit... (1) NH was carved out at or near closing time (2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???) (3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in (4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish) (5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish) (6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish) Questions: Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish? Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time? Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit?? What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how? Miscellaneous: Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man. Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict. With Joran's 2:30 home arrival shot to hell it opens the door to a disposal, tempory or permnent, that actively includes Paulus. We have this new witness who saw them out and about, but there's another as well. Remember Paulus' "two contacts with Natalee" mentioned in the court case where his compensation was denied? Apparently there is another witness and very possibly communications records to support his involvement. Who dropped off Joran at or near the pond? Could Natalee have been in a coma at that time? Perhaps she was left in the middle of the pond while still alive along with JVDS shoe? No hope of surviving? Three witnesses to her condition, the drop off driver, JVDS, and Natalee? Could ALE or someone have recovered the body from the pond? Would the body show that Natalee expired before being put in the pond? Or, that she drowned (or something like that) after being put in the pond? Is it possible that 2K did not drop Joran off anywhere but home or the VIP club? Could J2K have recovered the body the following night and perhaps it was in the trunk of the Kalpoe vehicle when the posse arrived? I wonder if Joran's clothing was wet at some point that night? IIRC, they were a described as a bit dirty and not in casino appropriate clothing. Maybe there was another person involved in pulling the body? Or, the pond was searched early on, and the body planted there later? I also wonder about the witness that reported the Kalpoe vehicle headed to JVDS home in the early morning hours. How many witness may have come forward with car sightings? IIRC, the Kalpoe vehicle was distinctive and loud. jmho I also wonder about the witness that reported the Kalpoe vehicle headed to JVDS home in the early morning hours. I think this is true. It was mentioned a few times, very early in the case, and then.... POOF...It never happened. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Poochy on September 15, 2008, 08:42:53 AM Timeline starting to narrow a bit... (1) NH was carved out at or near closing time (2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???) (3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in (4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish) (5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish) (6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish) Questions: Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish? Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time? Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit?? What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how? Miscellaneous: Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man. Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict. With Joran's 2:30 home arrival shot to hell it opens the door to a disposal, tempory or permnent, that actively includes Paulus. We have this new witness who saw them out and about, but there's another as well. Remember Paulus' "two contacts with Natalee" mentioned in the court case where his compensation was denied? Apparently there is another witness and very possibly communications records to support his involvement. What about that person we all thought was Paulus in the casino that fateful night-was that ever proven to be, or not to be, him ? [ That's one contact & then ? ---Helping Joran hide her body ? ]... It has been reported Not to be Paulus. but, With all the lies and cover up......Can that Be believed? I Think not. MO I always thought it was him until I saw the SECOND picture on this page - it looks nothing like Paulus, but it does look like Joran is talking w/him, and so is Natalee. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2577.0 But the fact that it may not be Paulus has nothing to do with the fact that he was around for Joran at 4am and then googling the effects of drinking and drugs on his own computer. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Pita on September 15, 2008, 08:43:05 AM where was the (Alex )old SPICE Night Club ? THE SPICE COCKTAIL LOUNGE Business address NOORD 39-A, NOORD Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP Name of the company THE SPICE COCKTAIL LOUNGE Date of commencement 24 APRIL 2001 THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN STRICKEN FROM OUR FILES 3 FEBRUARY 2005 OWNERS/PARTNERS MATHEW, EDWARDO ALEXANDRO ANTONIO; Residing in PALM BEACH 200, NOORD, ARUBA Born in ARUBA on 9 FEBRUARY 1973 Nationality DUTCH Position OWNER Effective 24 APRIL 2001 Authority FULL OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 15, 2008, 09:16:18 AM Caps response to a question about those exotic dinner clubs on Aruba:
CapsLockWizard Scared Monkey Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? There are several, chinese Rest. But in Indonisia or how the Dutch call it, Lekker exotic dinners is only one. The food they sell is mostly Dutch chinese Cuisine. Not The House of Rave. There is several House of rave in Aruba but in Noord there is none left. Alex had the last one and it was Called Spice Night Club. Meaning hot, sexy, you know. He was robed of all this and end up in Jail. The palce is till there but to find it you had to know what was in Noord as house of Rave. From the House of Joran there is was a House of Rave that night but not gold brick. on a straight path means from the Police station go straight. Pass the house of Rave (Alex old SPICE Night Club) To the Gold Bricks (These are the Fininacial Institution) Banks - Aruba Bank Trun Left till the dirt road....on the Dirt road you will find the pond. The pond is Behine the Restaurant LEKKER RESTAURANT (e X o T i C D i N n A (r) Here is the mistery Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 15, 2008, 09:20:56 AM If anyone has the time try reading a little on this page at this link. Info about Mathews and the Spice Night Club and various other things some might be interested in.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2880 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Lala'sMom on September 15, 2008, 09:31:53 AM The Spice Night Club was first operated by Mathews and then his now ex-wife took over and turned it into a Rave house of some kind and got into trouble with debts and such. Seems they finally sold it to someone else in the end. It began as a nice dinner club and didn't turn out too well in the end. Seems Mathews wanted to have a security group of some kind and let his wife run the club. Mathews seemed to keep pretty close tabs on the money and he didn't like what he saw. In the end it was sold and became something else.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: cubbeegirl on September 15, 2008, 09:32:49 AM Hey monkeys! I still have no cable or internet and cannot get a response from my provider as to an estimate of when I might get it back...just people in India looking at the MOP, telling me that "dere is no service.." I am at a friends and only have a few minutes on here.... I know it is rude to ask, but can someone give me a quick update as to what is going on???
TYIA Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 15, 2008, 09:42:59 AM Cubbee - I'm barely aware but I'll tell you what I can. There is a witness that saw Joran muddy with one shoe walking that night. Also saw PVDS in a red jeep pick him up. Diario is printing it. The witness came to the US and did polygraphs which he passed. MOS won't let TES search.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 15, 2008, 10:35:05 AM Diario website is down for me this morning ::MonkeyShocked:: Anyone else able to get it?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 15, 2008, 10:37:12 AM debbie said on BFN
I did a whois lookup.... diario-aruba does not expire until Feb. 2009. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 15, 2008, 10:41:22 AM Diario website is down for me this morning ::MonkeyShocked:: Anyone else able to get it? Johan555 posted same early this AM.....I can't access, either. Johan wondered if it was hacked.....dunno Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 15, 2008, 10:43:11 AM I know website is down, but did the Diario publish the story? Anyone "in-the-know" on the Sunday "Plan B" meeting?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 15, 2008, 10:43:16 AM debbie said on BFN I did a whois lookup.... diario-aruba does not expire until Feb. 2009. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I seriously doubt expiration of the website would be the problem. It must be a server issue, the question is what caused the issue. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 15, 2008, 10:44:45 AM I wonder if Red can get us a translated version of the article from another source. Red would be getting his version directly from Jossy (just like Angelala I assume). So Diario being up or down won't affect if Red gets the translation. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Destiny on September 15, 2008, 10:45:32 AM Hi Monkey Dudes and Dudettes!
I called Aruba a few mins ago....there is nothing in today's Diario about the NH case...Jossy is not in yet...when he gets in...I should get an email from my friend after they talk with him. Was told that Jossy is the person who decides when that part 2 of the article comes out. It has to do with Paulus and one of the 2 polygraphs that the witness took in the US...I'll keep checking my email....Des Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 15, 2008, 10:45:47 AM debbie said on BFN I did a whois lookup.... diario-aruba does not expire until Feb. 2009. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I seriously doubt expiration of the website would be the problem. It must be a server issue, the question is what caused the issue. the website is offline since 7 or 8 hours Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 15, 2008, 10:51:18 AM http://news.diario-aruba.com/
This works for me....last updated 9/15 12 am Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: cubbeegirl on September 15, 2008, 10:57:45 AM Cubbee - I'm barely aware but I'll tell you what I can. There is a witness that saw Joran muddy with one shoe walking that night. Also saw PVDS in a red jeep pick him up. Diario is printing it. The witness came to the US and did polygraphs which he passed. MOS won't let TES search. Thanks klaas!!! I can only bum bits of time here and there when I go places that have service.... people prolly think I am nutty!!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: johan555 on September 15, 2008, 10:57:48 AM http://news.diario-aruba.com/ This works for me....last updated 9/15 12 am yep Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 15, 2008, 10:58:02 AM I will lock up when page changes..... ::MonkeyTongue::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 15, 2008, 11:01:00 AM I will lock up when page changes..... ::MonkeyTongue:: will this post help?Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 15, 2008, 11:01:27 AM OK, Nut.... ::MonkeyCool::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 15, 2008, 11:04:32 AM I need to run out for a few hours this evening but I thought I'd leave you with this ::MonkeyHaHa:: (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/Sweatyrunningman-new2.gif) Bumped....because it's priceless....sweaty, but priceless. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: One more time...... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 15, 2008, 11:07:45 AM Hi Monkey Dudes and Dudettes! I called Aruba a few mins ago....there is nothing in today's Diario about the NH case...Jossy is not in yet...when he gets in...I should get an email from my friend after they talk with him. Was told that Jossy is the person who decides when that part 2 of the article comes out. It has to do with Paulus and one of the 2 polygraphs that the witness took in the US...I'll keep checking my email....Des Our question this morning is WHY is the Diario website down ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 15, 2008, 11:08:47 AM debbie said on BFN I did a whois lookup.... diario-aruba does not expire until Feb. 2009. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I seriously doubt expiration of the website would be the problem. It must be a server issue, the question is what caused the issue. the website is offline since 7 or 8 hours Yes Johan - very unusual IMO. I'd like to know why as well. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 15, 2008, 11:10:24 AM debbie said on BFN I did a whois lookup.... diario-aruba does not expire until Feb. 2009. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I seriously doubt expiration of the website would be the problem. It must be a server issue, the question is what caused the issue. the website is offline since 7 or 8 hours Yes Johan - very unusual IMO. I'd like to know why as well. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 15, 2008, 11:12:16 AM debbie said on BFN I did a whois lookup.... diario-aruba does not expire until Feb. 2009. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I seriously doubt expiration of the website would be the problem. It must be a server issue, the question is what caused the issue. the website is offline since 7 or 8 hours Yes Johan - very unusual IMO. I'd like to know why as well. Maybe when they moved today's version 'live', they didn't move everything properly...I did access that one link above. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 15, 2008, 11:12:25 AM debbie said on BFN I did a whois lookup.... diario-aruba does not expire until Feb. 2009. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I seriously doubt expiration of the website would be the problem. It must be a server issue, the question is what caused the issue. the website is offline since 7 or 8 hours Yes Johan - very unusual IMO. I'd like to know why as well. Odd - not back up for me Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: klaasend on September 15, 2008, 11:14:45 AM http://news.diario-aruba.com/ This works for me....last updated 9/15 12 am yep But look at the articles - they are old. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: wreck on September 15, 2008, 11:16:47 AM http://news.diario-aruba.com/ This works for me....last updated 9/15 12 am yep But look at the articles - they are old. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 15, 2008, 11:17:32 AM debbie said on BFN I did a whois lookup.... diario-aruba does not expire until Feb. 2009. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I seriously doubt expiration of the website would be the problem. It must be a server issue, the question is what caused the issue. the website is offline since 7 or 8 hours Yes Johan - very unusual IMO. I'd like to know why as well. Odd - not back up for me I accessed it, just now. Says 208 guests online ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/ Post by: Nut44x4 on September 15, 2008, 11:19:06 AM (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/LOCKED.gif)
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