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The ACORN/Obama Voter Registration "Thug Thizzle"
Michelle Malkin
Wed Oct 8, 3:00 AM ET
 


Systemic corruption of our election process continues. Barack Obama and his old friends at ACORN and Project Vote are leading the way. This radical revolution is taking place in your backyard. And as I've reported before, this voter-fraud racket is on your dime.

On Monday, the two liberal groups announced the wrap-up of a 21-state voter registration drive targeting low-income people and minorities in battleground states including Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Florida, New Mexico and Wisconsin.

What's wrong with that? For starters, these two groups are militant partisan outfits purporting to engage in nonpartisan civic activity. And their campaign comes amid an avalanche of fresh voter-fraud allegations involving ACORN in many of those same key states.

On Tuesday, Nevada state officials raided ACORN's Las Vegas office after election authorities accused the group of submitting multiple voter registrations with fake and duplicate names.

ACORN, which receives 40 percent of its revenues from American taxpayers to pursue an aggressive welfare-state agenda, has already helped register over 1.27 million people nationwide. The rest of their funding comes from left-wing heavyweights like billionaire George Soros and the Democracy Alliance.

Project Vote, a 501(c)(3) organization, was founded by left-wing lawyer Sandy Newman to register voters in welfare offices and unemployment lines with the explicit goal of turning back the Reagan revolution.

The two groups are inextricably linked — and at their nexus is Barack Obama.
In 1992, Newman hired Obama to lead Project Vote efforts in Illinois. The Illinois drive's motto: "It's a Power Thing."

As previously noted in this column ("The ACORN Obama Knows," June 25, 2008), Obama also trained ACORN members in Chicago. In turn, ACORN volunteers worked on his Illinois campaigns and ACORN's PAC endorsed his primary bid with full backing and muscle.

Despite his adamant denials of any association with the group (his Fight the Smears website now claims "Barack Obama never organized with ACORN"), Obama's political DNA is encoded with the ACORN agenda.

The Obama campaign's "Vote for Change" registration drive, running parallel to ACORN/Project Vote, is an all-out scramble to scrape up every last unregistered voter sympathetic to Obama's big-government vision. "Our volume," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe bragged of the voter-registration program, "will be enormous."

Quantity over quality. It's the ACORN way.

In addition to the Las Vegas raid, fraud allegations keep piling up:

— Lake County, Ind., election officials this month rejected a large portion of the 5,000 registration forms ACORN turned in after conducting registration drives in the area all summer. Some vote canvassers had pulled names and addresses from telephone books and forged signatures. According to local reports, "large numbers of voter registration forms bore signatures all in the same apparent handwriting style" and "apparently the organization's canvassers broke rules to meet ACORN-set voter registration quotas to get paid." The fake registrants included dead people and underage kids.
On a conference call yesterday, GOP officials noted that up to 11,000 voter applications were no good — tying up election officials and jeopardizing the voting rights of untold victims whose identities may have been stolen.

— Last month, Milwaukee, Wis., officials discovered at least seven felons employed as voter registration workers for ACORN and another affiliated group. They also uncovered a raft of problematic voter registration cards. The state GOP accused ACORN of attempting to enroll dead, imprisoned or imaginary people to voter rolls. Fraud has plagued ACORN's Milwaukee chapter since the last election cycle.

— In Florida, in Orange County alone, ACORN workers turned in multiple copycat forms for six separate voters over the summer. According to the Miami Herald, "One individual had 21 duplicate applications."
Election officials had flagged ACORN's negligent practices several months ago, but it may be too late: In Orange, Broward and Miami-Dade counties, ACORN has signed up 135,000 new voters, nearly 60 percent of them registered as Democrats that constitute a fifth of all new voters in that region.

— In Ohio, large numbers of homeless people received free van and bus rides to register. Shelby Holliday, a reporter for Palestra.net, filmed ACORN shuttling prospects to the polls. She told me she spoke with one homeless woman who told her ACORN "told her who to vote for if she wanted a 'better life,' and told her not to worry about jury duty (one of the reasons this homeless woman didn't want to register) because the government probably wouldn't be able to track her down. She was registering with a temporary address."
Holliday interviewed another homeless man targeted by the registration drive who exulted that he was voting for Obama because "I want him to do his thang. You know, do his thug thizzle."

"Thug thizzle" is street slang for performing your trademark move. Obama and ACORN have practiced their thug thizzle together for years: organizing an ever-expanding community of ineligible and marginal voters to expand the Democratic power base. Rules be damned.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20081008/cm_uc_crmmax/op_197668

I think the chances of getting caught are somewhere between "0" and none.  So, what do fraud voters have to lose? 

Who is going to identify them if they go from polling place to polling place voting?  Maybe 100 or more time?  Where is the evidence?

Politicians will probably say "there is no evidence".

Showing an ID card protects everyone, imho.  Using an ID card is part of life.  Voting is important. 

I think there is mass voter fraud going on and that it will be widespread during the election in November. 

It cheapens everyone's vote when people engage in fraud.

Only in Wisconsin  ::MonkeyShocked::


http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/30618639.html (http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/30618639.html)

How is it possible that in this day and age, that anyone who is legal to vote doesn't have a drivers license, state ID, or Social Security Number?

Help me understand...

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/election_voter_fraud/2008/10/06/137898.html (http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/election_voter_fraud/2008/10/06/137898.html)

No. no, Whiskeygirl. You're being way too logical. I have another question. How can you establish that you are even a resident of the state you're registering to vote in, without those documents?

Oh! I forgot. The only requirement is intent to vote for Obama. And do it often!

Voter fraud is fraud, and theft by deception of our RIGHT to have a FAIR ELECTION.

Voter fraud is disgusting.

Voter fraud is being condoned and assisted.

Follow the trail to the top!

Senator Ensign (Nevada-R) has called to cut all Federal Funds to Acorn.

DUH! YA THINK???  :roll:

There's a little money we could save our taxpayers!

Amen! I know daughter discovered Obama's campaign is willing to 'pay' for volunteers who get voters registered by the head? We have the email and forwarded to certain others to examine it !

if this election is close.
and it comes down to one or two states.
this is going to be a repeat of 2000. with the supreme court deciding the election.
so it better be a landslide.

already accusations of voter fraud / voter purges are going back and forth.

It is not an accusation when one person signed 10 registration forms.  It's voter fraud, and it's condoned.

There should be jailtime for some folks.

THE RIGHT TO VOTE, over and over, and over . . . .

By JEANE MacINTOSH Post Correspondent
PAWNS IN ‘FRAUD’: Freddie Johnson, yesterday in Cleveland, and Lateala Goins told of filling out voter registrations multiple times in the ACORN scandal revealed by The Post yesterday.
Last updated: 9:10 am
October 10, 2008
Posted: 4:00 am
October 10, 2008

CLEVELAND - A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.

“Sometimes, they come up and bribe me with a cigarette, or they’ll give me a dollar to sign up,” said Freddie Johnson, 19, who filled out 72 separate voter-registration cards over an 18-month period at the behest of the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

“The ACORN people are everywhere, looking to sign people up. I tell them I am already registered. The girl said, ‘You are?’ I say, ‘Yup,’ and then they say, ‘Can you just sign up again?’ ” he said.

Johnson used the same information on all of his registration cards, and officials say they usually catch and toss out duplicate registrations. But the practice sparks fear that some multiple registrants could provide different information and vote more than once by absentee ballot.

ACORN is under investigation in Ohio and at least eight other states - including Missouri, where the FBI said it’s planning to look into potential voter fraud - for over-the-top efforts to get as many names as possible on the voter rolls regardless of whether a person is registered or eligible.

It’s even under investigation in Bridgeport, Conn., for allegedly registering a 7-year-old girl to vote, according to the State Elections Enforcement Commission.

Meanwhile, a federal judge yesterday ordered Ohio’s Secretary of State to verify the identity of newly registered voters by matching them with other government doc u ments. The order was in response to a Republican lawsuit unrelated to the ACORN probe in Cuyahoga County, in which at least three people, including Johnson, have been subpoenaed.

Bribing citizens with gifts, property or anything of value is a fourth-degree felony in Ohio, punishable by up to 18 months in prison. And it’s a fifth-degree felony - punishable by 12 months in jail - for a person to pay “compensation on a fee-per-registration” system when signing up someone to vote.

Johnson, who works at a cellphone kiosk in downtown Cleveland, said he was a sitting duck for the signature hunters, but was always happy to help them out in exchange for a smoke or a little scratch. He’d collected 10 to 20 cigarettes and anywhere from $10 to $15, he said.

The Cleveland voting probe, first reported by The Post yesterday, also focused on Lateala Goins, who said she put her name on multiple voter registrations. She guessed ACORN canvassers then put fake addresses on them. “You can tell them you’re registered as many times as you want - they do not care,” she said.

ACORN spokesman Kris Harsh said the group does not tolerate its workers paying people to sign the voter-registration cards.

ACORN’s political wing has endorsed Barack Obama for president, but Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for the Obama campaign in Ohio, said ACORN has no role in its get-out-the-vote drive.

During the primary season, however, the Obama camp paid another group, Citizen Service Inc., $832,598 for various political services, according to Federal Elections Commission filings. That group and ACORN share the same board of directors.

In Wisconsin yesterday, John McCain blasted ACORN.

“No one should be corrupting the most precious right we have, that is the right to vote,” he said.

It’s a right Johnson will exercise. “Yeah, I’ve registered enough - I might as well vote.”

jeane.macintosh@nypost.com

This was in the New York Post.

http://www.nypost.com/delonas/delonas.htm

(http://www.nypost.com/delonas/2008/10/10092008.jpg)

It used to be a well known fact about Voter corruption in Illinois my home state. They say dead folks were allowed to vote. There were also payments made to wino's to vote . At one time it was so bad they made a law that the bars could not open until after the polls closed.

So voter fraud is nothing new just higher stakes.

From - http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/local-voter-fraud-claims-rise/story.aspx?guid=%7BCFE52E66-5245-4B0E-AFF5-0FC371133096%7D&dist=hppr (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/local-voter-fraud-claims-rise/story.aspx?guid=%7BCFE52E66-5245-4B0E-AFF5-0FC371133096%7D&dist=hppr)



I wonder how many people are registered to vote at the address of their employment?  How many would ever go to the polling place by their work?

IIRC, many places check against graveyard address, and empty lots, but how many check against commercial buildings?  Office complexes?

How many are getting absentee ballots?

I think verifying voter records should be a priority.  Who is stopping the many efforts to clean up this process? 

Why wouldn't everyone want the voting records to be as clean as possible?  What's wrong with showing a picture ID to vote?

Can the standards/requirements to vote go any lower? 

read the rest here...  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,435744,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,435744,00.html)

imho...with the low standards set to register to vote in many places, where would there be ANY evidence to show voter fraud?

How would anyone find evidence to show that someone voted more than once?  Voted in multiple places?  That a name on a voter roll is actually a real person? 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html

i don't understand why voting runs so often in so many problems.

this is how it works in Holland:

1. a few weeks before the election every citizen gets a voter invitation send to their address
on the invitation are the opening hours and location of the voting office for your area.
it says that you have to bring an ID with you.

2. on election day you go to your voting office, hand them your voter invitation and when asked your ID.
they've got a long list with names of everyone who got invited to that voting office.

3. they tick your name on that list. and then you vote.

for every neighbourhood there is a voting office.
i never had to wait for more than 5 minutes.
national turnout is usually around 60%.

i think this 'voter registration' is causing a lot of problems in American elections.

correction: national turnout is usually around 80%.

Sounds like a plan to me, caesu. Makes a lot of sense to me. Acorn would raise Hell over the prospects, saying that it would discriminate against  homeless people.

i think the homeless can have a mailbox at some homeless shelter if they want to.
to get their invitation there.

http://tinyurl.com/3emz66

nothing wrong with registering as much people as possible to get a high turnout.

i understand why Republicans hate ACORN so much.
because they fear that these newly registered voter are more likely to vote Democrat.

no surprise that i read about voter purges of people who lost their home due to foreclosure.
these people are also more likely to vote Democrat.

http://blog.aflcio.org/2008/10/06/republican-dirty-tricks-secret-purges-aimed-at-suppressing-votes/

maybe that's why Republicans tend to hate community organizers so much.
during the Republican convention community organizer were ridiculed.
but in my opinion community organizers are just lobbyists for the people - instead of for corporations.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/01/491645.aspx

caesu,

It's impossible to "know" folks we chat with on a forum so it's hard to ask you to trust me, but honestly, I can truthfully say that any organization that is committing voter fraud, regardless of whose party it helped, would be an object of my wrath. I want assurance that every legal vote counts, and that not one legal vote is diluted by another that is not legal. There is overwhelming, clear, and concise evidence that Acorn has brought in a lot of registrations that are fraudulent. The fact that Acorn receives public funds further angers me. Again, the dollars I earn, along with every other American worker, is being appropriated to causes that attack the very cornerstones of what this country is.

America isn't bound by common blood, faith, or ancestry. We are bound only by a common ideal, and freedom and liberty is at the core. The process of free and fair elections is the catalyst for all application of that freedom. When I say that Acorn's operations are dangerous, I'm not referring exclusively to this election, but I don't diminish the impact on this election either.

I have to believe that if there were solid evidence in your own country of voter fraud, you would be as concerned. If a mirror organization on the Republican side had the same allegations against them, with the evidence behind it that exists for Acorn, I would be calling for revocation of any public funds, and I would be calling for whatever it takes to clean it up before the election.

There are states, whose registration process do not afford much opportunity to intercept flawed registrations. Florida is one of them, and that state is critically important in making the determination of who will be our next President. The mere fact that a publically funded organization whose objective is to register voters has endorsed either candidate, or been involved in an exchange of money between that candidate, flies in the face of all that is right and fair.

This, IMO, is an outrage. This, IMO, is very, very dangerous.

this what Acorn says. some maybe don't believe that.

but when i read that there is a attempt to connect Obama to Acorn.
then i see another 'guilt by association' trick being played. like there have been so many already.
it seems it is not about Acorn, but about discrediting Obama.

i read often right-wing blogs. and everything is tried to discredit Obama. the most ridiculous things.
every day i wonder what they come up it. it think it is a perverse side to the election campaign.
blame goes here for both sides by the way. but i have to say the most vile attacks come from one side.
i am glad the blog frontpage here on SM doesn't do this as much anymore.

Obama is a lawyer.  I have to wonder if he advised ACORN in a legal capacity when he WAS associated with them.  Did he help them set up their organizing program?  Did he help them determine criteria used to hire these people?

What responsibility does ACORN have for the people they hire?

Same questions for the Wall Street Gangs.  Will any of those top people ever be held accountable for the actions of those under them?  Any return their bonuses?

Where does the buck stop at ACORN?

I also wonder about the number of overseas "Americans" casting ballots.

What criteria is used to ensure that they are legitimate?  Not fraud voters? 

Who determines country of residence for a passport holder?  Is it possible for passport number to be used to cast fraud votes?  Could the numbers have been stolen or obtained and used without the REAL owner being aware?

Same with overseas donations.  Maybe the passport holder doesn't know their passport number is being used for fraud.

Could the IRS start to wonder where the REAL holder (and filer of taxes) is storing all this off-shore money?  Wonder why they haven't reported income?

Could a real person be legally registered to vote at their place of residence?  And, by fraud be registered to vote elsewhere?  Using fraud drivers license numbers, addresses, passport numbers?

Maybe the next president will determine that the investigation process is one of those things that isn't working and get rid of it?

When, greater resources should be devoted to ensuring the integrity of US elections?

How many absentee ballots will be used as part of a fraud scheme?

Off-Shore Voters

Another thing I've wondered about...

IIRC, several years ago, reading stories about Polish elections.  News stories reported that there were more Polish citizens living and voting in Chicago for the Polish elections, than there were voters living in Poland.  Should Polish politics be decided by people that don't live in Poland anymore?

What about all the legal children of illegal immigrants?  How many years before this happens in the US?

How long before US elections are decided by 'citizens' that have never been to the US, or do not live here?

Is this the future of global politics?  Politics decided for countries by people that don't live there?  Have no interest in the locals?

Citizenship is a blessing and a curse.

I don't follow this logic. By that same thought process, a person charged with murder, who was under suspicion of a previous murder, should be seen as most likely innocent because they weren't previously charged??  ::MonkeyConfused::

Legally, if there wasn't enough provable evidence in the first case to move beyond suspicion, it shouldn't add prejudice but it sure doesn't add weight to the innocence of the current charge!

caesu, the vast majority of these fraudulent registrations were not turned in by Acorn. Have you not seen the interviews of people who actually were pressured by Acorn to register multiple times, or the registrations of store names, or the multitude of signatures that were perfect matches to each other?

There is so much wrong with the whole Acorn thing.
1. Acorn should not have endorsed any candidate: Obama or McCain
2. Acorn should not have paid field workers based on commission.
3. Acorn should not receive public funding. ( You do recall that the first bailout that was voted down included big bonuses for Acorn, don't you? Pelosi and Company wrote it in, and Acorn was involved in those sub-prime mortgages the American people just got stuck with.)
4. Obama should never have given Acorn funds, and sure as heck shouldn't have lied about it.
    During primary campaigning in February through May, Barack Obama's campaign paid Citizens Services Inc. $832,598.29, for services including:

• $310,441.20 -- Feb. 25, staging, sound, lighting

• $160,689.40 -- Feb. 27, staging, sound, lighting

• $98,451.20 -- Feb. 29, travel/lodging

• $74,578.01-- March 13, staging, sound, lighting

• $18,417.00 -- March 28, polling

• $18,633.60 -- April 29, staging, sound, lighting

• $63,000.00 -- April 8, advance work

• $105.84 -- May 2, license fees

• $105.84 -- May 2, license fees

• $75,000.00 -- May 17, advance work

• $13,176.20 -- May 17, per diem

Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt indicated all work by CSI would be amended to the category of field work.

SOURCE: Federal Election Commission
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html

in the coming days the McCain/Palin campaign will go at this in full force.
realizing that they can't win the election, they are now accusing Obama that he is stealing the election.

and if Obama doesn't win by a landslide, they are going to whine for 4 years about it.

http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081009/NEWS03/810090281/1002/LOCAL

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Two_kinds_of_fraud.html

We had a scandal once in America called Watergate. A Republican President was a shoe-in to win the upcoming election, but that wasn't good enough for him, apparently. Every poll said he would win, and he did. Later, he resigned against sure impeachment for his role in the Watergate break-in of the Democratic national headquarters. He should have resigned, IMO, and had he chosen not to do so, he should have been impeached.

My point is this: A sure victory does not preclude shady, unethical, or even illegal activity by the frontrunner.

I hope it is far more than a whine from all Americans if this election is tampered with. I hope it is loud enough to stop Acorn in it's tracks, and any other organization, regardless of party affiliation, that would seek to commit voter fraud at any juncture in the process; registration, or on election day. I hope it's heard throughout this country loudly enough to jerk Acorn's funding and make a clear example to any entity that would endeavor to falsify any election related document.

I hope it's loud enough to require some common sense guidelines, like proof of citizenship, and proof of residence within the state someone's vote is cast.

I hope that "whine" is a clear ringing cry and demand for a non-corrupted election process.

that's right - a non-corrupted election process.

but the voters registration fraud, how does lead to fraudulent votes cast?
if fake names end up on the voting roll. still you have to show ID. so that's not going to work.

it is impossible to have many people show up with fake ID's, matching the fake registrations.

voters purges however do work. and republicans seem to be busy with.
targeting groups more likely to vote democrat.

that's why a landslide win would be ideal.
you can't fraud your way in a landslide win.
i mean maybe Zimbabwe that can work, but not in America.


http://www.mtstandard.com/articles/2008/10/05/opinion/hjjbijjejjigfj.txt

due to the electoral votes.
one state can make the difference. it can be a very small margin.
so these voter purges can be very effective.

caesu, the post you quoted is an op/ed piece, so I went to the same paper for the news story. It follows:

Democrats file suit over GOP voter challenges
By JENNIFER McKEE
Gazette State Bureau

HELENA - Two registered Montana voters and the Montana Democratic Party filed a federal lawsuit this morning seeking to stop state Republicans from challenging registered voters who have recently changed their addresses.

Joseph Breitenbach and Cynthia Anne Greene, both of Missoula, along with the state Democratic Party contend that the Montana Republican Party's voter challenge is an effort to suppress voter turnout immediately before a close election, said Caleb Weaver, a Montana spokesman for the Barack Obama presidential campaign, which is helping with the challenge.

"These challenges are a transparent and very likely unsuccessful attempt" to discourage properly registered voters from turning up on Election Day, Weaver told a group of Montana reporters in a conference call this morning.

Specifically, the Montana Republican Party is challenging some 6,000 registered Montana voters who have moved since they last registered to vote. The challenges were in six, heavily-Democratic counties: Missoula, Lewis and Clark, Silver Bow, Deer Lodge, Glacier and Hill.

Republicans have asserted the challenges are about preventing voter fraud.

Voters who are challenged will receive a letter from the county asking them to verify their current address with a notarized statement.

The suit names Jacob Eaton, executive director of the Montana Republican Party, Matt Hunsacker, another Montana GOP employee, the state GOP and Secretary of State Brad Johnson as defendants.

The suit specifically asks a federal judge to stop counties from sending out any more letters requesting a notarized proof of address. Weaver said he believed the letters had not gone out in Missoula or Lewis and Clark counties, where many of the challenged voters live.
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/10/06/news/state/16-suit.txt

I couldn't make a better argument against Acorn. There should be absolutely no grounds for Republicans to suspect voter fraud, but, caesu, Acorn has given them that ground with verifiable attempts to falsely register voters. From what I've read, apparently, the GOP has withdrawn it's request to challenge in Montana, and I admit there may very well have been political motivation in making the challenge in the first place. It is also very possible that with the actual cases of fraudulent registrations from Acorn, the GOP has reacted by challenging every scenario where Acorn has been heavily involved. This whole thing should never, ever have happened. Again, Acorn shouldn't have received public funds, shouldn't have endorsed Obama, Obama shouldn't have given them a lot of money and then lied about what it was for, and Acorn should never have put workers in the field on commission. Nothing is going to change the fact that Acorn bought registration forms with cigarettes, etc., campaigned for Obama as they signed up registrants, faked names on registration cards, signed multiple registrations, and encouraged persons to register multiple times. You've asked how that makes a difference on election day. I would direct the question to insiders at Acorn. It's a very, very, good question.

The logical answer is that there would be ID on election day to back up the registrations. Poll workers are volunteers. I've been one, caesu. We depend on a printout list from the registration forms. It would be so easy to do, caesu. If one person filled out eight registration forms, and each form went to a different voting location, the same person, with a different address from the registration form, could vote eight times. Any person with an ID for that person could vote eight times. My State is strict in requiring a photo ID, but not all states do. Take a look at all the various ID's that meet the criteria to vote: http://www.ncsl.org/programs/legismgt/elect/taskfc/voteridreq.htm

See how easy it would be to fraudulent vote if it was the intent of those registering voters to do so? Lots of these documents are obtainable online and printable right off your printer! This whole thing shouldn't have come up. Personally, I do believe that photo ID's should be required of all voters. It wouldn't stop all fraud, but it would slow it down.

Personally I think it's appropriate for any campaign to encourage their likely voters to register, but I'd be happier if new registrants had to do so in person with the state. It would be fine with me if a campaign provided transportation or babysitting services, or anything else they wanted to, but sending commissioned people to the streets to sign voters up officially on the spot is insane. The results are not reliably legal and when you couple that with an endorsing party funded by that candidate, it's just fertile for corruption. The GOP was stopped in Montana,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but they were forced to deal with the courts, an official body of the state. Everything about our elections should be filtered through that same body in some capacity.

thanks for the explanation.
it seems very complicated.

on a different note.
if McCain wil continue to make ACORN a line of attack.
it won't get him very far.

he attended a ACORN rally himself.

http://www.mdc.edu/Home/Press/rally.htm
(http://images.politico.com/global/mccainacorn.jpg)

 

I believe that ACORN is made up of a number of individuals.  I believe that many had only the best intentions, and perhaps some had an agenda.

Who is responsible for training the volunteers?

What did ACORN do when they found that some volunteers had problem applications?  Did they change the wage/incentive program?