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McCain: Barack Obama is a decent person, don't be scared of him as President - and he is not an Arab.

also McCain respects him and admires his accomplishments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gx21oan3uc

Obama isn't even a citizen of the US.
"57. Plaintiff’s rights guaranteed under the Liberty clause of the Fourteenth (14th) Amendment of the United States Constitution have already been violated. It has been announced in the main stream media that Obama’s “briefing” has already begun into our National Secrets, our Nations Top Secrets, which Obama is not privy too and in violation of our National Security, as Obama is not a legal citizen of the United States. This has placed Plaintiff and other citizens of the United States in grave danger. Plaintiff’s Liberty as guaranteed will further be violated if Obama is allowed to be voted into and assume the position of President of the United States; Plaintiff will be further damaged and is in serious jeopardy."
http://obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/28-phil-j-berg-files-amended-complaint-in-berg-v-obama

why would the Hawaii State Department issue him a Certificate of Live Birth?
Hawaii has a Republican governor.
i think they would prosecute him Obama showed a fake COLB

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
(http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/signature.jpg)

this Phil J. Berg is a fraud by the way.
trying to get rich of conspiracy theories.
http://www.911forthetruth.com/

correction: i think they would prosecute if Obama showed a fake COLB

(http://i35.tinypic.com/669o8x.png)

LOL @ Breaking News  ::MonkeyHaHa::

The birth certificate case is in court. The birth certificate that Barakah Hussain Obama produced is proven to be fake.
If Obama was a forthright person he would clear this up.

you do know this Phil J. Berg is a conspiracy nut?
he blamed 9/11 on Bush/Cheney

http://www.obamacrimes.com/
http://www.911forthetruth.com/ <<

even this right-wing sister-blog of SM says the Certificate of Live Birth is genuine:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/12/obama-is-an-american-no-really/

there even was a birth announcement in a Honolulu paper in 1961.
(http://hotair.cachefly.net/images/2008-07/barack_obama_birth.jpg)
did they fake that in 1961 knowing that in 2008 it could be used??  ::MonkeyHaHa::

i think there will always be some people who can't live with the idea that Obama is likely going to be the president.
they will demand a videotape of Obama's birth in the hospital with a Honolulu landmark in the background.
and then still they won't believe it. or claim he stole the election. or something else.

This article discusses the origin of the Internet "Obama is a Muslim" rumor:


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13martin.html


The Man Behind the Whispers About Obama

By JIM RUTENBERG
Published: October 12, 2008
 
The most persistent falsehood about Senator Barack Obama’s background first hit in 2004 just two weeks after the Democratic convention speech that helped set him on the path to his presidential candidacy: “Obama is a Muslim who has concealed his religion.”

That statement, contained in a press release, spun a complex tale about the ancestry of Mr. Obama, who is Christian.

The press release was picked up by a conservative Web site, FreeRepublic.com, and spread steadily as others elaborated on its claims over the years in e-mail messages, Web sites and books. It continues to drive other false rumors about Mr. Obama’s background.

Just last Friday, a woman told Senator John McCain at a town-hall-style meeting, “I have read about him,” and “he’s an Arab.” Mr. McCain corrected her.

Until this month, the man who is widely credited with starting the cyberwhisper campaign that still dogs Mr. Obama was a secondary character in news reports, with deep explorations of his background largely confined to liberal blogs.

Snip.......

McCain: Obama not a socialist

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?articleid=1128857

I am sure McCain is going to cross the aisle again a lot in the coming years, and work with President Barack H. Obama.
McCain is going to help unite this country again, to restore his somewhat damaged legacy.

I believe McCain is a hard working man, a joe average who happened to marry well, two times.  He took on many responsibilities, and according to both wives, never missed a beat.

He served his country, at a difficult time in American history.

He lived to tell about his time in a POW camp, when it would have been an easy thing to say yes to his enemy, and get a speedy return home and better care.

He has stepped up to the plate to try and save this country from financial disaster.  Others chose to look the other way.  Who has the damaged legacy?

He only wants to make America better, and will always be a good man and someone I am proud to vote for.

with damaged legacy I mean allowing his campaign to go dirty and not putting country first by putting Palin on the ticket.
it's maybe too early too look back now already. but these bad judgements will haunt him for a while.

but by crossing the aisle and working with Barack Obama in the coming years he can and is going to win back all respect.

Another point, many people put birth, death, marriage announcement in the newspapers that serve areas they previously lived in.  Or, perhaps the newspaper of their childhood, parents, etc.

The newpaper article itself does not show place of birth, hospital, doctor, etc.  

The address may have been one used by the Obamas for mail during any absence from the country.  

I don't think it's evidence that Obama was born in the US.  

Has Obama run a 'clean' campaign?

Did he step up to the plate, quiet rumors, and release his original birth certificate and any later changes/amendments?

Did Obama release his school records?  Records that may show questions about his citizenship?

Did Obama receive financial aid in the US intended for foreign students?  Participate in any programs for foreign students?

It's never to late to clear up misunderstandings.  It's Obama's call.

just my humble opinions

i think that is for one of the many other topics?

but there is no evidence at all suggesting that he is NOT born in the US.

but i bet this is one of those things for people who love conspiracy theories that's never going to go away.
i often thought conspiracy theories were something for the left.
but apparently on the right they are just as creative with it if it suits their 'cause'.
or to be able to cope with the fact  that Obama will be President and Commander in Chief, so they can comfort themselves by believing he is somehow not legitimate. fine to me if that makes them feel better.

I hope that people vote for the candidate they feel has integrity and is best qualified for the job.

Since people voted for Democrats when Bush won, and people voted for Republicans when Clinton won, I believe the public will have no problem with whomever is elected president.

I did not vote for Republican or Democrat in 2004, and I've been living with Bush ever since.  I voted.  I'm not sure if I voted for a third party candidate, or wrote in "Mickey Mouse".  I favored John McCain.

In my family, some thought of Senator Clinton as a socialist and would not vote for her for that reason.  The thoughts about Obama make him a communist, much worse in many eyes than a socialist.


If not a socialist, what is he?  Traditional Democrat? 

I come from a family of union people (including my mom & dad) who've voted Democratic for years.  Others, probably never thought they'd vote (or think about voting) for a Republican.

I am the odd one out, and have been branded a socialist...I consider myself an independent.

The longest living Democrat in my family announced he is voting for John McCain.   No discussion.  I just about dropped on the floor.

He served his country at about the same time as John McCain.  He worked hard at his union job, and raised a family.  He still lives in the same house for over 30 years, in a working class neighborhood.  I'll never know what it is about Obama he does not like, he is a man of few words. 

Retired people have a lot of time to follow the news, and absorb.  Perhaps it is the Ayers connection?  I'm sure my uncle remembers the bombings.  Perhaps it's Acorn? 

It would be a simple thing for Obama to make public his original birth records.  Alternatively, I have wondered if he likes the publicity/conspiracy theories the 'mystery' brings to his campaign. 

Same with the school records.  A real simple thing.

He is a decent person.  What has he done to put these rumors to rest? 

you will never see a serious politician putting ridiculous rumors to rest.
that's why you rarely see someone reacting to the gossip magazines.
by reacting to them, you give them credence.

if Obama would have decide to do that. that would have been a full-time job.
once you start, you have to put all further ridiculous rumors to rest too.
and he wouldn't have been able to run his campaign.
good that he never took that bait.

there are dozens of disgusting rumors flying around about McCain, about Bush, about everybody in the media spotlights.
imagine that they have to respond to all of them. they wouldn't have time to do anything else.

I dunno if this has already been posted?


Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By State
Health Department Receives Multiple Requests For Copies

POSTED: 12:12 pm HST October 31, 2008
UPDATED: 1:26 pm HST November 1, 2008

HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama's birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family.

There were rumors that Obama was born in Kenya, where his father is from. The Constitution requires that the president be a natural born citizen of the U.S.

While many sites and news organizations have released copies provided by the Obama campaign, the rumors have persisted.

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

Fukino said that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently from any other.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the United States.

Multiple lawsuits were filed to try and force Obama to provide proof of citizenship. Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's U.S. citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news

I've not seen rumors about McCain, his life is an open book - he has served and worked for his country for years.

Senator Obama's life is shrouded in mysteries.  Mysteries that he could shed some light on. 

The answer to many mysteries, is to say something like "XXX not associated with YYY for reasons ZZZ".  Ayers, Wright, Acorn, birth certificate come to mind.  Other mysteries include his client list, donor list, school records, healthcare lobbyists (wife?)...

Why should there be rumors?  It is a simple thing to provide the original birth records.  Stop rumors in their tracks - promote the truth with evidence!   imho


The mystery of grandma, the Bank of Hawaii, and the fact that BOH did not participate in sub-prime mortgages, and remains sound.



www.boh.com

I early voted in FL last week, and it was overwhelmingly going to McCain~thank GOD!!! Obama is a Maxist IMO, let's call a spade a spad. Look at what a skimpy record he has when he actually votes, it's d@mn scary, and his re-distribution of wealth is Marxist period!

as a student of among others Marxist policies, let me just re-iterate that the plans of Barack Obama do not constitute socialism of marxism. It was not marxist during the Clinton years and that is what Obama plans, roll back the tax breaks for the richest of the rich to back where it was when Clinton left office. And the money that is released from that will pay for a tax break for all middle class families and I think they should have been the first to get one of those instead of people who have plenty of money already (like Bush did).

But what constitutes rich?  My family's income is $100,000 and let me tell you that is nowhere near being rich, but according to Democrats it is.  And no we don't have "plenty of money."  We live on a budget.

Lisa

Are the taxes fair for everyone?  Maybe a flat tax?

Should the tax system reward hard work?  Should it reward people who save?

What are the actions of socialists and communists?  From memory, they take the property of others.  Property that may have been the result of hard work, inheritance, lottery proceeds, savings, and many other things.


http://money.howstuffworks.com/personal-finance/personal-income-taxes/inheritance-tax.htm (http://money.howstuffworks.com/personal-finance/personal-income-taxes/inheritance-tax.htm)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inheritance_tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inheritance_tax)

An old lesson -


http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/special/20000825.asp (http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/special/20000825.asp)

What does this mean?  After a lifetime of saving for retirement because some believed that Social Security wouldn't be there...making a nice home, and building a business...

Will the government take what is left?  Keep it out of the greedy clutching hands of children and others?

Was the death tax fair to the families left behind by the richest of the rich "where it was when Clinton left office"?

There are organizations that keep track of how much money donated to charity actually goes to fund the stated purpose of the charity and how much goes for administrative expenses.  It's a good way to see how much good your dollar does. 

Is my donation making a difference?    ::MonkeyDance::

Are my taxes making a difference?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Why not look at ways to cut expenses?  Rein in out of control healthcare costs?  Healthcare inflation?  Ensure that the US WILL NOT continue to pay more than others for similar services.

Why shouldn't the government make every tax dollar do the work of two or three tax dollars?  I think government should set a good example for the public.

How about encouraging people to spread their money around before they die?

Why not let people pass on their financial legacy as they please?

What happens when you run out of rich people?  If government robs Peter to pay Paul over and over...after a few generations, Peter won't have any money.  Is this the right thing to do?

just my humble opinions



No one seems to be concerned with financial stability and taxpayer ability to continue paying. 

Earn the trust and respect of taxpayers.

marxism

noun
the economic and political theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels that hold that human actions and institutions are economically determined and that class struggle is needed to create historical change and that capitalism will ultimately be superseded by communism 

Class Struggle? What would you call taking close to 50% of earned money from upper earners to give to 40% of the population who pay no taxes? What you call the rantings of Rev. Wright? What would you call a vow to make energy costs skyrocket to push an environmental agenda and making small business the brunt of an economic onslaught?

Needed to create historical change? Where have I heard "change" as the end all goal?

Capitalism ultimately superseded by communism? Is one term enough to accomplish that? We're off to a great start! Chicago politics via the new chief of staff should be very helpful. They invented corruption and that first appoinment couldn't embody more partisanship.