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OMG! I have waited all day! LOL!  ::MonkeyEek::

In that case I want to be first in the fresh new cage well besides Nut.

Justice for Natalee. I stand with the girl.

Those pictures of SandraK make me wonder if she has
done some work for Mr. Pink. ::MonkeyTongue::

not only sandra k ,i have the idea that Mr Pink knows a lot  ::MonkeyWink::
Was he often in the Matt Apts ? Lorenzo's house ?
Worked Joran for him?
i am looking for a swimming pool pic of Lorenzo's house

From inside the compound?? Errrrr.... that isn't likely to happen, but I wish you luck!!

the tiles, color and shape ::MonkeyWink::

Johan...If they were at the van der Sloot's at 1.40, the Raquet Club between 2.30 and 3.00 and the witness saw Joran at 4, when do you think they were at Lorenzo's? TIA

Johan...Also are these lists published on the Queen's birthday?

In the social field it is supporting member (intention) of various committees in the charity sector, particularly for the elderly and the youth. In 1992, she was distinguished in the Order Francisco de Miranda of Venezuela, and in 1994 she was honored as Knight of the Order of the Dutch Lion.  

San...thanks for the pics on the last thread!

 Mr Pink rented houses on aruba to make porn movies ,hotel movies ( Matt Appt ? ) swimming pool movies .
 and somethimes you can see the swimmingpools (tiles and color )  in the movies, like on this pic
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I just heard a report on the radio that an SUV related to the case of the murders of Jennifer Hudson's mother and brother has been found with what is believed to be the body of her 7 year old nephew.  So sad.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

OMG!  How very sad.

Fox is reporting the child had been shot.

located 13 miles northwest of the Hudson home at a 1313 S. Kolin St., on west side of Chicago ....

Live cam on this site.  Medical examiner has confirmed it is this little boy.

This vehicle belonged to the slain brother of Jennifer.

http://www.wgntv.com/landing/?blockID=118403&feedID=1503

:(

Can you verify the photo as being inside Lorenzo's compound?  TIA

no no it is a pic/capture of a mr pink movie

Thanks Johan. 

Lala's  Im not in here that much anymore.  We never did get the other updates from Diaro, did we???

Never did buy the Matty Apartments...unless you scrap the witnesses and the timeline it won't fit...JMO, of course ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Always1...Not Lala's and nice to see you. No, nothing yet??

Johan - how do you know which videos are Mr. Pink videos?  Have you recognized any of our friends in any Mr. Pink videos?

Never did buy the Matty Apartments...unless you scrap the witnesses and the timeline it won't fit...JMO, of course

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Mum - do you think they were at Lorenzo's house?

Thank you Mum - nice to see you too.

10/28/08 Awe Mainta Front Page

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10/28/08 Awe Mainta Page 2

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Hope you're back soon Carpe...you're missed...and needed!

Not giving up...NOPE...not a chance!

(Hat tip Carpe) ::MonkeyCool::

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Hi SS…Not sure if he is a red herring or not…Just know they can’t have been all the places they have rumoured to be. Natalee’s body can’t have been in all the places discussed either.

Witnesses at the Racquet Club, the landfill, near the pond, white truck at the Holiday Inn. Two 7 year olds dying, a drowning and one at the rocks.

We have been fed so much misinformation, it’s difficult to find a bit of the real truth.
 

It is snowing!!! ::MonkeyEek::

Bastibro or Johan…any help on this, please…just need pointed in the right direction…Thanks!

Also are these lists published on the Queen's birthday?

In the social field it is supporting member (intention) of various committees in the charity sector, particularly for the elderly and the youth. In 1992, she was distinguished in the Order Francisco de Miranda of Venezuela, and in 1994 she was honored as Knight of the Order of the Dutch Lion.  

WOW  ::MonkeyShocked::

And I'm complaining about waking up to 65 degrees  ::MonkeyLaugh::

It has always been difficult to detect the truth from the very focused misinformation campaign.

Morning Mum   ::MonkeyDance::

I have no idea Mum
i try to find some info about that

Sorry about that Hotshot, I thought it was Carpe's since I copied it from a post he made, saved it in the file name so I'd remember.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

BTW....excellent work!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Well it was 65 here yesterday morning, this morning in the low 30's. 

Love that Texas weather!   ::MonkeyWink::

Texasmom  Thanks.  I was doing that almost 1 1/2 years ago for shirts to be made for the different shows we were going to.  There should be a few similar ones out there too.  So, how is everyone doing out here in SM land?

Mobile Pet Portrait Studio Revolutionizes Pet Photography in USA
Tue May 27, 2008 8:15am EDT
 
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LOS ANGELES, May 27 /PRNewswire/ -- If you're tired of barking up the
wrong tree trying to find a professional pet photographer, the innovative new
company Petclix may soon have you purring with satisfaction.  In this era of
pet psychologists, gourmet dog biscuits, and online jewelry stores for Fido's
next rhinestone collar, most pet owners still can't find a professional
photographer who has enough experience with animals to snap a keepsake
portrait.  There is no need to growl any longer, however, because finally pet
owners throughout the nation can get professional portraits of their beloved
pooches with Petclix.
    Pets don't respond to "say cheese" the way people do, and even the most
experienced wedding or glamor photographer can begin to look barely
housebroken when confronted with a fidgety poodle or a playful 150-pound
sheepdog.  Animals don't usually sit still long enough for us to make all the
adjustments necessary to acquire flattering light, and use the tools that we
take for granted when shooting people.  Specialized photography and animal
behavior recognition skills are necessary in order to capture Diesel the
bulldog's precious portrait.  For that reason, Petclix only uses Certified Pet
Photographers who are highly trained and are 100% animal lovers.
    A passion for photography combined with a love of animals inspired Paul
Brough, President of Petclix.  He and his experienced staff travel across the
nation with fully equipped mobile portrait studios that deliver award-winning
pet photography anywhere in the USA.  Kids and family members are encouraged
to be in the portraits, but Petclix ensures that the spotlight is on the pets.
    Groomers, vets, and pet store owners are turning their parking lots into
professional pet studios through Petclix, which is a win-win situation for
those in the pet business.  Petclix attracts new customers, generates
additional income, raises money for charity, and excites current customers for
business owners.  One call to Petclix can transform your empty parking lot
into the most spacious and high-tech professional pet portrait studio in the
entire USA.
    Specially designed from the ground up, the mobile studio represents the
culmination of almost five years of research, planning, and construction to
make pet photography fun and ensure exceptional results.  Clients enter a
show-stopping, air-conditioned studio equipped with hundreds of backdrops,
props and costumes combined with top-of-the-line equipment and a relaxing
portrait viewing room.  Customers preview and select their portraits on a
37-inch HDTV and the unforgettable experience is forever captured in the form
of high-resolution portraits at affordable prices.  No wonder the buzz in the
barnyard is that when it comes to pet portraits, Petclix is the cat's meow.
    For more information, please call (866) PetClix or visit Petclix online at
www.petclix.com.
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    (866) PetClix


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MALA

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MALA

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PAUL & MALA

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Why did Paul Brough shut down all his porn sites/escort businesses and flee Aruba?
Is it just a cooincidence that he started a archive on his server the day NH went missing?

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Johann, speaking of Mr Pink, did you ever see the movie called "Comedy on Aruba" or hear about it????

yes sure i have .i found a lot about this paul(tje)   ::MonkeyWink::
I don't like that guy at all  ::MonkeyHaHa::

this is in his press release :
 A passion for photography combined with a love of animals inspired Paul
Brough, President of Petclix.  He and his experienced staff travel across the
nation with fully equipped mobile portrait studios that deliver award-winning
pet photography anywhere in the USA.  Kids  and family members are encouraged
to be in the portraits, but Petclix ensures that the spotlight is on the pets.

He works also in Afrika Mauritsius .
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his Brand new $3 million dollar facility

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Yep.....we had the petclix stuff long ago. New Pix of Mara and  :safe: though...at least new to me.

How do you know it is his?
The caption says Brand new $3 million dollar facility and is listed under their east coast tour. Looks like just a stop on their travels, IMO.

I have the idea (but i am not 100% sure )  that he lives there, i have another pic ,i try to find it
I have also the idea that they payed him to departing from aruba
i have also the idea that he can't make money with photography because he is a (very) bad Photographer
see the pic below

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Looking through all the pics here, Johan?

http://picasaweb.google.com/petclix

You think that is his building? I don't think so but that's JMO...

i said this : I have the idea (but i am not 100% sure )  that he lives there

Company Name   Petclix
 Contact Name   Paul Brough
 Business Phone   8667382549
Address    41287 Westmeath , Clinton Township, MI, 48038

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There was lots of snow about 30 miles west of me, but we had rain.

At this point, I think the racquet club and pond were initial attempts by Urine and the Alpoes to dump Natalee's body before they enlisted the help of Paulass and his friends.  They were seen by the jogger and the gardener, so they got out of Dodge.  Who knows, though!!! Something needs to happen to bring Natalee's case back into the spotlight.  I can't bear the thought of Natalee being without justice.

Where is Caps?  Has he abandoned us?

Carpe - we miss you and we want you to return.

Thanks for the research Johan.  It looks like Petclix isn't that much different than what he was photographing before - it's still animals.

thanks but when we post this kind of links here (http://picasaweb.google.com/petclix)
 tomorrow all the pics are removed there

Do you think the PetPix is a cover for his porn business?
The FBI thought him suspicious enough to look into him,
I heard long ago that he and Lorenzo co-owned a house of
ill repute in San Nicholas.

More money laundering, seems to me.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_48538.php
translated version:
Kilo intercepted 200 drug
October 28, 2008, 15:20 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Coast Guard and the Customs yesterday afternoon have a colorful fishing done drugs. Rita 2 on the boat coming from Colombia is there, except 650 pounds of fish, including over 200 kilos of cocaine and marijuana were found.

The drugs were carefully packed in brightly colored plastic. Since the weekend the Coast Guard boat was closely watched because it suspected that illegal goods on board would be in addition to the usual cargo of fish that normally the boat from Colombia to our island transports. The authorities were informed in advance and were already ready for a raid on the Rita 2, before it was in port purposes. There are over 200 bales found that all drugs have been seized. The seven crew members were arrested. Studies have shown that party for whom drug use.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_48537.php

translated version:

Five persons arrested for millions robbery
October 28, 2008, 15:18 (GMT -04:00)
 
The police yesterday held an emergency press conference where they announced that five people were arrested and some of the nearly 3 million florin rightly that two weeks ago from a money truck was stolen. 
ORANGE CITY - Five people were arrested in the case where two weeks ago, nearly 3 million florin money from a truck of Aruba Armored Transfer in broad daylight was stolen.  A portion of the stolen money is right now.

How much money is found, wanted the police yesterday not lost, except that the money from the robbery is concerned. "It is a substantial amount", was the only thing Captain Robert Candelaria wanted to tell about it. The police have five persons EMM (37) GID v. H. (29), LAK (27), RDM (47), GRAR (32) during raids in three houses held. The money was buried in the global at one of the houses found. All suspects are Arubans. The police does not rule out that more people in a million robbery are held.
It is the Corps everything matter to the matter as soon as possible, let Candelaria know. "It is one of the biggest things that the Corps has experienced in a long time. We have in recent weeks practically worked around the clock. "The investigation team consists twelve investigators who, as now appears, quite a few tips have been given.
The main question or the suspects are employees of the security Aruba Armored Transfer of persons in a different way with the company might be connected, remained unanswered yesterday. "The puzzle is not yet complete. These pieces have yet to be completed and therefore I do not go in, "said Candelaria.
A source within the Corps confirmed earlier Amigoe that the doors of the money truck with a key opens. Whether it really is an inside job continues as various media speculated, it was not clear yesterday. According to the Superintendent of the robbery, the thieves are well planned. "There are no indications that there were weapons in the game. ” If you do not need weapons, it can only happen if something really good is planned. "

The two runners money that the robbery had discovered, were not arrested. The money from the American bank HSBC. On October 16 it was picked up at the branches of Aruba Bank and CMB in the Caya Betico Croes then be delivered to the airport for transport to the United States. During the unloading, discovered the money runners that 1.6 million dollars was missing.

This paul is 26 or 27 yo
I don't know what his visable income is
but he drives in a expensive car and the truck is expensive
it is also possible to work for him  ::MonkeyHaHa::
500$ a week and you have to work only 10 or 20 hours  ::cartwheel:: anyone ? RG or JR ? ::MonkeyHaHa::

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This was about his comedy production
look at the details > one year contract for a 90 min production ? ::MonkeyConfused::

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Maybe they are married now.

In Aruba:

 :smt102

Interesting, vms.

Let's see what our choices are --

1.Not married to Brough -- but a 'close' relative

2. Recently divorced from Brough

3. This is how they get their actors. I mean clients.  I mean....

Hi all!  I haven't been here in NH thread for quite awhile, partly out of frustration from lack of anything new and I've been keeping up in the Anthony case, as it's new and more solvable, at least there has been an Indictment, unlike in Aruba!

I NEVER EVER will forget NH and will always be looking for new updates and praying for Beth and closure for everybody!   And I pray for justice!   Joran needs to go down!  ok, BP rising, so will stop now.


I want to THANK JOHAN for all YOU are doing here.    You have been a great information provider and help keep this thread going with all of your research.  So again, THANK YOU JOHAN!

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Boeti Naar=Xavier Naar?  or maybe a relative?

Anyone know?

His name is Xavier.
I wish I could read it. Very interesting, TM.

i think this is paul's (mr Pink) forum

i was banned after my first post  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::
isn't that fast ??

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Brough pics from classmates:

TM...I think I checked with klaas awhile back if Booti was the guy on the Dr Phil docs and she said Yes...Sorry I can't be 100%, but maybe check the search for my posts or ask klaas for sure!

Posts below from when Boeti was lost at sea:


TITULARES: 041028 - Caso SAR Velero "Bucaneer" en el Caribe Occidental

October 28, 2004 9:20 AM - Se trata de un catamaran procedente de Aruba con numero de matricula NA-333. Es un catamaran de 45 pies de eslora, blanco arriba y azul por el
parte debajo con velas blancas.
 
Solo hay 1 persona a bordo (pob). El pob se llama Xavier Naar (alias Buti).
 
Es una persona con experiencia en el mundo de velero. Ha navegado desde Aruba hacia Cabo Verde muchas veces.El nombre del catamaran es "Bucanneer".
 
No tiene ningun forma de communicacion abordo porque se fue hacer un viaje de prueba.
 
Aparte de no tener medios de communicacion no hay ningun otro tipo de materiales de emergencia abordo, no hay agua ni comida.

Con cambio del viento y corriente del mar es posible que este velero esta a la deriva por los aguas venezolanas (este de Coro).

Fermin P.H. Coronel
*    (599-9-) 695-7654 (cell.)
                  463-7885 (off.)
*    FPH.Coronel@...

MRCC Curacao
 
NOTA: OPERACION SAR MARITIMA EN PROGRESO
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NotiSar/message/2900


TITULARES: DOS EMBARCACIONES A LA DERIVA EN EL CARIBE
FRENTE COSTAS DE VENEZUELA

Viernes 29 de octubre.- Caracas - Venezuela.-
Caso 1.- El día domingo 24 de octubre de 2004, zarpo
desde Punta Arena a Isla La Borracha, Edo. Anzoategui,
Venezuela, un Peñero, con un (01) solo ocupante su
patrón, JOGREHER ÁNGELO FERNÁNDEZ, C.I.V - 15.934.270.

Su demora fue reportada al Comando de Guardacostas de
Guanta, Edo. Anzoategui, Venezuela, el día martes 26
de octubre de 2004. De inmediato se coordinado el
envió de embarcaciones de Guardacostas en Misión SAR,
el día miércoles 27 de octubre de 2004, se envió un
avión de la Armada a efectuar patrones de búsqueda por
la zona de mayor probabilidad. Todo ha sido
infructuoso.

Caso SAR Acuático ABIERTO, a Cargo del Comando de
Guardacostas.

Caso 2.- Caso Catamarán BUCANNEER. Zarpo de Aruba en
navegación de Prueba, 1 Tripulante a Bordo.

Se trata de un catamarán procedente de Aruba con
numero de matricula NA-333. Es un catamarán de 45 pies
de eslora, blanco arriba y azul por el parte debajo
con velas blancas. Solo hay un ocupante. El tripulante
se llama XAVIER NAAR conocido como BUTI.

Es una persona con experiencia en el mundo de velero.
Hay navegado desde Aruba hacia Cabo Verde muchas
veces. No tiene ningún forma de comunicación abordo
porque se fue hacer un viaje de prueba. Aparte de no
tener medios de comunicación no hay ningún otro tipo
de materiales de emergencia abordo,no hay agua ni
comida.

Con cambio del viento y corriente del mar es posible
que este velero esta a
la deriva por los aguas venezolanas (este de Coro).

Fermin
Fermin P.H. Coronel
* (599-9-) 695-7654 (cell.)
463-7885 (off.)
* FPH.Coronel@...
Caso SAS Acuático Abierto, a cargo del Comando de
Guardacostas.

Caracas, Venezuela.
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NotiSar/message/2901



Chamber Listing:
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=6130

"It was a big hassle to find someone to do the picture, and what I did find was not good quality," said Brough,
who operates PetClix with fiancee Mala Greenberg, 32. They employ a staff of five.

Greenberg

JC Dodo Tours  ???
Grand Bay, MU
Co-Owner

Petclix
Detroit, Michigan US
Co-Owner

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is her name Mala Greenberg  or greenburg ?  



Bangbus LLC

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Owner of Bang Bros last name is Greenberg,is Jeffery her brother ?

Owner of Bang Bros last name is Greenberg

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Thanks Mum and VMS ::MonkeyCool::

mark bryn is a lawyer ?

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they have also a child foundation  ::MonkeyConfused::

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Was the Bangbus (Bangbros) also on Aruba ? yes i think so

Aruba Dirty Police :

Aruba: The Bangbus Is Speeding
Since I posted the story about Bangbus, the sites referencing someone specific are being taken down right now.

There is a guestbook:

http://www.paddock-aruba.com/dutch/gastenboek/

het was weer een topper gustere hey lub wanneer komen
de foto's op de site en ehhh die hazes toegift houwen
erin
robert de wit
Aruba
robertdewit83@hotmail.com
www.bangbus.com
27 Dec 2005
02:04:08

left robert de wit

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The big blonde guy 3rd from the right (with the beer bottles in the air) resembles Koen....

Well... interesting catch up reading on here... I just wanted to touch base and let you all know I am still out here... and will never stop being here for Natalee, her family and all of you monkeys...
Heading over to the Caylee forum... I will be back....

VMS - what I find interresting about this is the nationality of South African.  Isn't Reality from South Africa?  Or do I have my people mixed up?

Pretty sure it's not Koen.  I've seen him in alot of pics and does resemble Koen until you put a verified Koen pic next to him. 

That's what I was thinking and didn't say...he looks like the other guy that side by side pics were done with Koen.  Just was stating an observation...wish I had the pics saved. 

No, I think you remember correctly.

http://media.www.smudailycampus.com/media/storage/paper949/news/2008/10/30/News/Beth-Holloway.Speaks.At.Smu-3514797.shtml

Beth Holloway Speaks at SMU
By: Johnny Brackett, Contributing Writer, jbracket@smu.edu
Posted: 10/30/08


For many graduating high school seniors, taking a trip after graduation is tradition. Parents watch as their children pack their bags to celebrate this landmark in their life. Many times, these parents will remind them to take safety precautions because they are going on a trip without them. They double-check that their children have remembered to bring the essentials: a toothbrush, extra underwear for freak accidents and in some cases, their passport. They see their children off and watch with glee as their pride and joy waltzes off to celebrate one of their largest accomplishments to date.

For Beth Holloway, this day was one of her proudest. Her daughter, Natalee, had recently graduated from high school with over a 4.0 grade point average, awarding her a full academic scholarship to the University of Alabama. She had just completed a dance career with her high school team and developed into a strikingly beautiful young woman. Holloway drove her daughter to a friend's house, where she would depart for the airport and fly to Aruba to celebrate graduation. She said her goodbyes to Natalee and watched as the dark silhouette of her daughter's body walked up the front path and went into the house. She didn't know at the time, but this would be the last time she would ever see her daughter.

Tuesday night, Beth Holloway, a woman who Barbara Walters selected as one of the world's most fascinating people, shared the tragic story of her daughter's kidnapping to SMU students at McFarlin Auditorium.

On May 30, 2005, the last day of her trip to Aruba, Natalee Holloway vanished. Sponsored by Pi Beta Phi and Hotel Palomar, Beth Holloway shared her story and how she has overcome such a huge obstacle. Liz Grayson, coordinator of the event and member of Pi Beta Phi, said Holloway's story is valuable to students.

"She has more courage than most people and after the tragic loss of her daughter, she has fought to increase awareness of a topic that is often overlooked," Grayson said.

Holloway said four days after dropping her daughter off for her senior trip, she received the phone call that parents dread. She was told that her daughter didn't arrive at the airport that morning. Holloway recalls quickly making arrangements to get to Aruba. Upon arrival, Holloway found Natalee's belongings neatly packed ready to return home. Natalee's friends said the last they saw her she was getting into a silver Honda outside Carlos' n' Charlie's, a popular nightclub in Aruba. This is the last living memory of her, Holloway said.

Holloway said that once she got to Aruba she followed a wild goose chase of tips from both officials and strangers. She spent days roaming the streets in search of her daughter. Holloway said the hardest part was trying to find her daughter in a country that does not honor the same laws as the United States. She said she was told of many possibilities of her daughter's whereabouts: in a Jeep, stowed away in a crack house, or even abducted and taken into slavery.

"As we frantically searched for our daughter, [Aruban officials] asked us not to disturb their crack houses, not to disturb their prostitutes and asked our family how much money we had," Holloway said.

For Holloway, trying to get help in this desperate situation was like being in another world, and in reality, she was. She said that despite all the tips and running around, Natalee was nowhere to be found.

Beginning to lose hope, Holloway said that she was descending to the lowest point the human spirit can fall. She recalls trying to find another way to survive the nightmare. The hope that she would find her daughter was rapidly becoming a fantasy, she said.

"I became resilient and decided I would pick up one foot, put it down, and the other would follow. There was much work that needed to be done for Natalee," Holloway said.

Holloway returned to the states where she was greeted with overwhelming support not just by her hometown community, but also from the entire nation and abroad. She said that magnificent things happen when people come together to support others. From volunteering to help with Holloway's search for answers to simply tying a yellow ribbon to their mailbox, vast amounts of people came to her aide, she said.

Just months ago, all of the hard work paid off. Holloway said she got the break she had been waiting for. The first and only suspect, Joran Van der Sloot, the driver of the silver Honda, confessed on a hidden camera to sexually assaulting Natalee. He said after she had a seizure he disposed of her body in the ocean. Holloway said she believes Natalee was given a date rape drug and overdosed, causing the seizures that Van der Sloot described.

Joran Van der Sloot is the son of an Aruban judge. Holloway said that despite his confession, the Aruban officials won't do anything against a judge's son because their system doesn't work like the United States'. Holloway compared Natalee's situation to The Wizard of Oz, saying that when you leave the United States, you are "not in Kansans anymore." Travelers must adhere to the customs of the country they are visiting, she said. Being a teacher, Holloway asked herself what she could do to teach others from her tragic lessons.

Since Natalee's disappearance, Holloway has founded TravelEd workshop. TravelEd is a program for college and high school students to teach about pre-departure education and safety. Holloway said that her daughter had a false sense of security among her many friends and was blind-sided. It is critically important to prepare for going abroad before leaving, she said. Her hope is that she can make TravelEd available to high schools everywhere.

"I want you to remember it is now your responsibility to watch out for yourself. Your parents aren't going to be around to watch over you anymore," Holloway said.

Students reacted to Holloway's story with emotion and sincerity. Megan Haslam, a junior public policy major and member of Pi Beta Phi, said that listening to Holloway's story was an eye-opening experience.

"It's devastating to hear that a family had to go through this. The important thing for those of us lucky enough to hear the story is to take the lessons Holloway is teaching to heart," Haslam said.

Holloway said that hope is what got her through such an upsetting experience. She said hope is a universal message that better times are ahead. It nourishes the soul just as food nourishes the body.

"The hope that filled her heart fills mine. It brought me here tonight and it will see me through tomorrow. Please remember that you have your own back [while travelling], and please remember Natalee," Holloway said in closing.

Tourist industry aruba send SPAM  



Aruba spends millions of additional tourism
ORANGE CITY (AFN) - Aruba because of the economic crisis gives 10 million dollars (about 7.5 million euros) extra for the promotion of tourism. That led the authorities on the Caribbean island announced Monday. With the money should Americans be persuaded to book a holiday.

'There is no reason to panic''in Aruba, made the Aruban Minister of Finance Nilo Swaen clear, based on a survey of the central bank under Aruban financial institutions. ,, Given the worldwide developments, however, we must continue to invest in tourism, because this sector is our main economic pillar.''

Ahata, Aruba in the association for the hotel industry, says that for the coming year for 20-25 percent fewer bookings were made than in the same period in 2007. ,, That might as well lie to the American elections. Often they wait to book their holidays until the outcome is known'', says spokesman Rob Smith.

Decrease of 11 percent in September

Smith continues:,, they also hope that prices for Caribbean destinations further down than it already is. We continue to promote since the spring are the most important months for Aruba. Almost 60 percent of the sector in that time earned.''

The first eight months of this year Aruba received more visitors than in the same period last year. In September there was a decrease of 11 percent. For October and November results will not differ much from those of last year, figures show Ahata.

No price

Ahata, the Aruban government and the Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) choose not to price reductions for tourists who want to go to Aruba. 'That will not go, because we have fixed expenses and a durable, high quality product to deliver''says Smith. ,, Other Caribbean islands have no other choice but to lower their prices because they have no money for extra promotion.''

Aruba last month began an aggressive publicity campaign in the United States. From posters in the subway systems of New York and Boston to spots in every major American cinemas is the attention to the Carabische island located. Potential tourists are also e-mail to send Aruban ads. Aruba spending this year by the new campaign, nearly double the amount that was budgeted for the promotion of tourism.

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Radisson 1 million dollar

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October 29, 2008

Because of the negative forecasts for next year, deletes Radisson twenty to thirty jobs in Aruba. In total savings in the four-star hotel next year, 1 million dollars in costs.

ORANGE CITY - Twenty to thirty jobs will be lost at the Radisson hotel that more than 1 million dollar savings on costs for the coming year. Because of the lower growth forecast as a result of the global financial crisis. Redundancies want to avoid the four-star hotel, said a spokesman.
There are both jobs in low positions as the management deleted. With large severance payments and early retirement schemes are now persuaded workers to leave voluntarily. Meanwhile, already four to five managers used the redundancy. Some managers, however, has refused. Clear union was at last Friday informed during a meeting at which the union initially wanted a collective bargaining proposal deposit including a salary increase of 6 percent. The hotel management has indicated that there first must be cut and that happens especially in personnel costs.
The occupancy rate for the month of November is at 57 percent, but that according to the spokesman, normal. "In November, there is always a low occupancy, between 50 and 60 percent." This lasts until the first week of December, then the occupancy rate back up. In the first week of December this year is something less pressure than normal, so far is 45 percent of hotel rooms occupied, but this Radisson is not a disaster. Around Christmas, the rate already at 70 percent and the hotel expects this will rise to 80 percent.
The low growth expected in the hotel sector for 2009 is for the four-star hotel in response to significant cost cutting. Headquartered in Minneapolis, this time it will be given to older workers a retirement package to offer something that Radisson Aruba normally not so soon. On the other hand, it is wait and see how many workers depart voluntarily, said the spokesman.
Last week made tourism branch that the Ahata known American tourist 20-25 percent fewer holidays has booked for next spring in Aruba than in the same period last year. In order to offset this decline, pulling the government and Ahata florin nearly 25 million extra for promotion.

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Hotels on Aruba

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3887.0

"I want you to remember it is now your responsibility to watch out for yourself. Your parents aren't going to be around to watch over you anymore," Holloway said

Credit to Pita for catching this.

It looks like Mala, IMO. I wonder if she was a member of the Pink Patrol.  :roll:

From posters in the subway systems of New York and Boston


Maybe a few bumper stickers, with Natalee's picture, to go over the posters??

I believe we have some NY and Boston members.

So was this BangBus on Aruba ??   ::MonkeyWink::

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Posted today at BFN by GBMW:

I saw the promo for the new season Peter R. de Vries that will start soon....nothing about the content concerning the first show. But in the promo a lot of footage concerning the show with Joran + shots concerning winning the Emmy was used.

From David Wever's (boy on right) old Tickle Site......  Pay attention to the caption below the picture.  He's a known videographer on the island and had Natalee listed as a friend on his site.

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bruce y ami ,chill dilanti royal plaza cu mi Bang Buss

David Wever hi5 site

http://www.hi5.com/friend/584378--David%2B--Profile-html

"As we frantically searched for our daughter, [Aruban officials] asked us not to disturb their crack houses, not to disturb their prostitutes and asked our family how much money we had," Holloway said.

What is that.. ?  " Do Not Disturb Our Crack Houses... "
What a discusting group of people that run Aruba..
All of them are drug dealers and pimps.
Sick people.

God bless you, Beth.  I hope that you can reach every young woman in the United States.  We are still searching for Natalee and we have your back.

I hope this is the exposure of Paulass that Peter has alluded to.

Indeed!

This was posted by Charles Croes...the day before the last Peter de Vries show...

Re: Holloway case solved

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Sometimes the SUM is as insane as the parts making it up and the disregard for those grieving is as minute as is the true care for the feelings of humans.


Reporters swear that they know what happened and will proove it - at night they dream of anchor jobs with major networks. All the while hopes are raised only to be dropped and recycled in a horrid bin of pain. There is a tendancy to vie for who will solve the case first as opposed to who will find out what the truth is.
Those that lie, continue lying and then say it was only a joke.
Those that are no longer here - cannot see the circus they left behind - perhaps a good thing.
Camera men travel to far off lands while reading pamphlets on their destinations and promising the kids that they will bring back "Neat T-Shits".
News broadcasters speak to lenses and in-turn to millions while wearing a shirt, tie, coat and bermuda shorts - whispering off camera, "Shoot from the waist up and How is the surf?".
It is, to say the least - a sad manner for humans to behave themselves.


OK, Let's see how this works.

Hi - my name is XYZ and I am supposed to have been involved in the dissapearance of a certain person and as I understand it, (wile she did write a book about it) her mom is truly grieving. She must be upset because what supposedly happened caused her to divorce her Husband (who was also accused of a bunch of stuff) and now she wed a gentleman that has had a similar event in his life. HMM I can understand that grief cause my Mom lives it also. Dad is non-judgemental about it all, however is this Sons' best buddy.

Anyway, my two buddies (brothers actually) have a funny last name - KLAPHOLE I believe, and while none of us are ever innocent of anything, they are equally as "not-guilty" of anything as I am. I know that cause (while joking around) they told me that they were guilty. I, of course- kept that to myself.

So there I was chatting with this guy and he gives me bad wine and I refused to drink it and then he "p...es" me off by asking me if I like the year so ... I just felt that it was the correct thing to do to toss the wine in his face. Not in a nasty mode but just to let him taste how bitter his product was. Anyway we shook hands and started to chat again and then I really got back at him and the Mom and the millions of people all over the world. I lied. Yep. I told a fib.

I said - "I did it!!!! Funny right? Right? Right?" "Hey - I'm kidding - alright??!

Actually as I think back on it, it was a stupid thing to do so I will have to go on TV tonight and say that I was kidding.

Anyway, it makes sense to me. - Right??


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If ever there was a fire that was not in need of fuel it would be this one. It will not ever burn out - no need to throw in more wood.

be well
charles

Toppie  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 the first    independent tripadvisor  forum about  Aruba ::MonkeyHaHa::
You can find this aruba hotel tread also via Google now

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I have come to the conclusion that the world no longer cares about corruption and evil.  We are slowly sinking into the abyss of debauchery each day.  I would love to see this be true. Then again, would it matter?  Nothing else has brought any justice in this case and there is no way the Dutch will allow this to be known if true.

Hi Carpe!!! :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060

Where?

Deepak Kalpoe   :arrow: "Your own father".  How would Deepee know this unless he was part of it all.

http://www.arubainjustice.com/

Thanks Klaas...didn't see a reference to Shango or SM...did I miss it?  ::MonkeyRoll::

Hmmmmm.

I don't want to be gross but, doesn't her nose look like a part of a mans body  ::MonkeyShocked::

SandyLeiva

If you're still here would you please summarize this article for me when you have time?  I would really appreciate it!


TIA

TM

strange nose yes  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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i am not sure this is Not Koen

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I see a resemblance to Karl Malden...JMHO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Malden

two, two, two Koen's in one!

welllll now I think I remember who it is, but I know nothing about him other than his name...I THINK, is Erik.

Kim C.D.

The crime in Aruba needs to be publisized. We were there Thanksgiving weekend, there is not enough police presence or security. Our battery was stolen from our rental car & while we were at the police station, we met Americans who had their room robbed. I WILL NEVER TAKE MY CHILDREN TO ARUBA AGAIN> I also was told that a tourist was robbed last year in the same area our battery was stolen. WE WERE STRANDED IN A TOURIST AREA WITH OUR SMALL CHILDREN & HAD TO HAVE THE RENTAL CAR TOWED> ARUBA GOVERNMENT DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE CRIME... WE PAY ENOUGH IN HOTEL TAXES & UTILITY CHARGES IN ARUBA WHEN WE VISIT. WE SPEND OUR AMERICAN MONEY. .

Robbed in aruba - rci style
more here :
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3887.new#new

My fiance and I are looking to honeymoon in Aruba from Sept. 29-Oct. 6, 2008 but we've read that this is the rainy season. Do you recommend we find another honeymoon location or is the rain really not an issue? Thanks!

the reaction ! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Aruba is a dump. You and you fiance deserve something much better! You can choose SO MANY better places to go. Aruba has an exotic name, but in reality it's a tourist trap stinkhole.
The people there showed what they really think about Americans, and if you get scammed, robbed, or murdered, good luck finding a policeman that cares. Aruba wants American MONEY, and laugh at the tourists behind their backs.
Any good travel agent can tell you where you get the most for your money and insure a great time on your honeymoon.You only do this once, don't you want it to be great?
If you want sun and sand, Ideas might be: South Florida, Bahamas, Mexico, Las Vegas, Puerto Rico, even Europe. You would be surprised at how affordable one week packages can be! Travel agents have access to packages you can''t get on ypour own. These places are all trying to get business and have great deals.
Congratulations!

PS: Another response to this question made a joke about a murdered girl, so consider the source...It states it was probably her fault, she drank and spoke to strangers? Wow. Not what I think deserves a death sentence. More frightening is the fact that Aruba didn't provide protection or a safe envoronment and hasn't changed since. And, the described activities sounded like the makings of a very non exciting honeymoon.
Hmmm. You shouldn't drink at night, go out or talk to strangers?...Oooh, sounds like a great place! LOL! If you need to isolate yourself, run inside at night, and be on guard all the time, what's the point? Oh yeah, I forgot, Kids under 18 can drink, and you can get lots of illegal drugs everywhere, I guess that's one of the biggest draws in Aruba.
It's your honeymoon, go somewhere nice. :-)


Basically, Aruba is a desert island. All of the green trees and landscaping have been planted. All of the sand for the beaches has been imported from Venezuela. You will not be getting too much rain.

Take the DePalma jeep safari where you get to drive the jeeps in a convoy all over the island. Very interesting and loads of fun. You get to see the towns, countryside, desert, caves, Natilee Holloway (?), and go swimming at the end.

Watch for the iguanas all over the place. Huge ones! Go to Baby Beach for a very relaxing day. Have some Grandma's Lemonade at Iguana Joe's in Orangestaad. Haggle with some of the jewelry merchants and get an emerald for the wife. Eat dinner at one of the Brazillian restaurants that is all-you-can-eat for one price. Excellent food. Dine at sunset on the beach. Take a sunset catamaran sailing that is beautiful and romantic.

The "answerer" above my post seemed upset at the Aruban attitudes toward tourists. Sure, they are anxious to get your tourist dollars but I found the people very helpful and friendly in all cases. I stayed at the Marriott and walked up and down the beach to various restaurants and stores. No problem. I took the city bus into Orangestaad with the locals and they helped give directions when I needed them. Just use your common sense and you will not get into trouble. Do not go out drunk at night and talk with strangers. That is probably what happened with Natalee Holloway.

All in all, you might get a little rain but not too much to spoil your honeymoon.

It's hurricane season in the Caribbean from June 1 to Nov 30th. Sept and October being the worst months for hurricanes.

Aruba is out of the hurricane belt, it hardly ever rains in Aruba and if it does it's a few minutes and it's over. The temps will range from 85 to 90 degrees.

Go and enjoy your honeymoon. The sunsets are gorgeous don't forget your camera.)

I love Aruba! Aruba is pretty windy so rain usually passes within a half hour or so.Also hurricanes usually aren't a problem since Aruba is not in the direct path. Good Luck!!

Yes, in the fall Aruba has more rain, On those days there is some rain fall, it is typically a short sprinkle and refreshing.
Most often there are early (before 6:30 am) morning showers when it does rain. Then the sun and the trade winds present you with a delightful day. If you are looking for a honeymoon where an activity director provides a large menu of things to do with other couples you may be disappointed with Aruba.
If you are looking for together time where you can roam about safely (no "compounds" on Aruba), visit and shop at a wide variety of stores, dine at good restaurants and, when you desire, enjoy group activities (jeep or horseback tours, day or sunset sails, etc.) then I suspect you will find Aruba is where you really want to go.

this part is written by a Renfro Troll  ::MonkeyWink::

Basically, Aruba is a desert island. All of the green trees and landscaping have been planted. All of the sand for the beaches has been imported from Venezuela. You will not be getting too much rain.

Take the DePalma jeep safari where you get to drive the jeeps in a convoy all over the island. Very interesting and loads of fun. You get to see the towns, countryside, desert, caves, Natilee Holloway (?), and go swimming at the end.

Watch for the iguanas all over the place. Huge ones! Go to Baby Beach for a very relaxing day. Have some Grandma's Lemonade at Iguana Joe's in Orangestaad. Haggle with some of the jewelry merchants and get an emerald for the wife. Eat dinner at one of the Brazillian restaurants that is all-you-can-eat for one price. Excellent food. Dine at sunset on the beach. Take a sunset catamaran sailing that is beautiful and romantic.

The "answerer" above my post seemed upset at the Aruban attitudes toward tourists. Sure, they are anxious to get your tourist dollars but I found the people very helpful and friendly in all cases. I stayed at the Marriott and walked up and down the beach to various restaurants and stores. No problem. I took the city bus into Orangestaad with the locals and they helped give directions when I needed them. Just use your common sense and you will not get into trouble. Do not go out drunk at night and talk with strangers. That is probably what happened with Natalee Holloway.

All in all, you might get a little rain but not too much to spoil your honeymoon.

It's hurricane season in the Caribbean from June 1 to Nov 30th. Sept and October being the worst months for hurricanes.

Aruba is out of the hurricane belt, it hardly ever rains in Aruba and if it does it's a few minutes and it's over. The temps will range from 85 to 90 degrees.

Go and enjoy your honeymoon. The sunsets are gorgeous don't forget your camera.)

I love Aruba! Aruba is pretty windy so rain usually passes within a half hour or so.Also hurricanes usually aren't a problem since Aruba is not in the direct path. Good Luck!!

Yes, in the fall Aruba has more rain, On those days there is some rain fall, it is typically a short sprinkle and refreshing.
Most often there are early (before 6:30 am) morning showers when it does rain. Then the sun and the trade winds present you with a delightful day. If you are looking for a honeymoon where an activity director provides a large menu of things to do with other couples you may be disappointed with Aruba.
If you are looking for together time where you can roam about safely (no "compounds" on Aruba), visit and shop at a wide variety of stores, dine at good restaurants and, when you desire, enjoy group activities (jeep or horseback tours, day or sunset sails, etc.) then I suspect you will find Aruba is where you really want to go.

  Interception of more than 10 KIlos of cocaine

Aruban suspects get between 3-4 yrs in prison for trafficing drugs destined for Paris France.There were 5 arubans and 1 greek and albanian group caught trafficing on July 3 2008.
Court officials used 2 translators to question the greek and albanian suspects in court.
Anti drug agents found the kilos of cocaine hidden in the luggage of the greek and albaninancitezens.
 Named were Farbolih Kotil, Elleni Grassini de Garcia, Matilda Melbati of italy Jacquilina Behaj of albania and Xavier Naar  ( street name Boeti) of aruba.
On july 3rd subjects FK, and EB stayed abord flight ans were confronted by agents re drugs found in thier two luggages.  One conatained 5783.7 grams and the other 5114.1 grams, for a total amount of drugs intercepted greater than 10 kilos of cocaine that was destined for Paris France. 
Ensuing investigation showed that EG, had a camera with photos of person in aruba she was to hand drugs off to.  The trade off was to have occured in the hotel Vistoria. Continuing investigation led them to Xavior Naar (boeti) and had a value of over 37 Million, Each package of cocaine in Europe is valued at 15 Million.  Kotil.Gizzitti,Nabhor, Altarriba and Naar each got 4 yrs 6 months in prison .  Court case continues on Nov 7th.

best i could do   also isnt Boeti brother in law to Dumpig and wasnt he the one peddling drugs to the students and visitors to the island at the hotel beaches.   SL

Thank you very much SandyLeiva!  ::MonkeyCool::

I would love to be able to translate this stuff!  If I'd have started trying to learn in the beginning of the case, I'd probably be a pro by now; but who would have ever thought it would go on this long!

I wonder what the continuing of the case will be about if they've all been sentenced; I'll have to watch for more news.  That article is the only one I've found, heard there was another but no names in it.  I've heard and read many things about Boeti, everything you said and more!  Joran and his supporters seem to think the world of him! 
 ::MonkeyWink::

Which part Blonde. The "beans" or the "frank" ?? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Poochy!!!!!!!

::MonkeyHaHa::

Sunday 9th of November the new season of Peter R. de Vries starts.
16 new broadcasts.
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not much is said about the content as they don't want to 'wake up sleeping dogs'.
but there are going to be 'surprising new developlments' in many old and new cases.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/programma/textprogramma091108-tot.htm

promo:
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/video/promo09-11-08.wmv

Thanks caesu!  Good to see you!  ::MonkeyCool::

Aruba wants to close roads for fat people  ::MonkeyConfused::

ORANGE CITY - In an attempt to make people slimmer, consider Representatives Aruba certain roads in the weekends to close. People must walk for their groceries.

That is in the National Plan of the Aruban parliamentary committee Obesity.

Another idea of the Aruban commission is a list of national days walking together. On Aruba is 77 percent of the population too thick.

Comment by Dolf Thuys
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:28 am

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/09/30/aruba-2/

Quote”Comment by George Spink
October 1st, 2007 at 2:50 am
Aruban authorities have stonewalled Beth Holloway from the beginning. It is crystal clear to me that they are protecting Joran and his two Kalpoe buddies. Why? Because Joran’s father has considerable political influence.

To whom do Aruban authorities report? Dutch authorities. Beth should find someone in the U.S. Government who can persuade or force Dutch authorities to take action on this case. We are talking about the murder of an American citizen. I am in favor of very strong sanctions, including the freezing of Dutch assets in the United States until Dutch and Aruban authorities play ball.

Let’s quit walking softly and swing a big stick at the Dutch. Hit them in the pocketbook until they do whatever is necessary. Send an American battleship and a couple of destroyers to Aruba and let them dock in the main harbor indefinitely. See how that affects tourism in Aruba!

There once was a time when Americans were safe abroad.”

a) Dutch marines and airforce searched the Island.
b) Freezing Dutch assets might not be such a good idea as the Dutch are the 3rd foreign investor in the US.
c) Dutch navy & US navy are working together to combat drug trafficking.
d) its send THE battleship and don’t think US destroyers would worry the Dutch navy to much
e) Our law is different, we don’t throw personal info of the suspects on tv and we don’t like it iff bigmouth ppl try to haras us (the US stereotype)

and

you are never save abroad or at home.

Dolf
Amsterdam

oh yeah, we Dutch don’t really care that much for Aruba.

I am getting weary of the witness, Parts 3,4, and 5, and the promises to expose Paulass.  I do hope that they follow through this time.

Thanks Sandy and TM...

Thanks caesu....

Does anyone have the pics of Joran's release with the blonde woman, please...TIA

I think I do, I'm still looking!  Checked in to see if someone with better organization might have beat me to it.

Found this one, I still think I have more if I can find them.   ::MonkeyConfused::
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Mum, I think that's it for what I have saved.  The others that I found of the same day didn't have her in them.

Looks like another drug bust in Aruba.  Found a photo of Jacobs   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.awe24.com/

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 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas...Glad I ate my breakfast...

TM...Thanks...I need the youtube!!!! Will have to look again!

ewwww!  that's gross!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Candidate for Biggest L.....

YOur welcome  I learned Papiamento from reading the diario since the very begining of Natalees case.  I had to resign on multiple times when I was eaither blocked or the site crashed the 2 major times it did.  Much of pap is spanish based and im fluent in spanish so I can grab the gist of things.  Its harder when there is alot of dutch words in it. It changes the flavor of the paragraph and harder to translate for me.there is also a lil bit of the old indian native language based words that make up the island dialect thrown inwith the spanish,similar to the hillbilly dialects of puerto rico.  This makes sense because the islands share the same indian native ancestry.Any way glad i could translate some. I flip between here and the caylee thread so if ya need me to translate -im around.   Of course Joran and the pimps think the world of Boeti - theyre all in the buissness together.  Ya know the say ing   "birds of a feather flock together "   I hope they all die a thousand deaths of infected flea bites!    SL

Interesting Sandy, glad you didn't give up; the help with translations is priceless!

I agree about the infected flea bites.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

EWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!! I have NEVER seen a GUY w/ a 'camel toe' before!! OMG ACKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!

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I'd recognize that fat bastard anywhere... too bad he didn't have a weapons malfunction.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Look at the pic of Paulus with his pants unzipped.
He has one

In case of an emergency please pull switchblade from pocket and cut off belt  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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The actual # is 8% (if you take Jacobs out of the equation)  ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

So Boeti is in jail...again.

I thought Boeti was the new Ambassador of Tourism??

He had a dual role, Ambassador of Tourism/Minister of Narcotics Trade.  Headquarters in his tent by the Holiday Inn and Moomba's.  Since his absence will be detrimental to tourism and the economy they will probably decide to suspend his incarceration until things start picking up in both areas.   
 ::MonkeyWink:: 

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Same girl? 

Looks like the same girl to me.

IMO, yes!

Thanks San and Pita.  The ad caught my eye right away after seeing all the pictures of her with Julia.  I thought so too.  That could be a connection to Julia correct?  Doesn't Julia have a business that designs ads, etc?

I think so too.

Thanks MuffyBee

Eyebrows look the same -- add some hair color -- looks like her to me too.

Thanks wreck.  The ad was from July 4th, the other picture is from Oct. 10th IIRC.  I also thought either that's not her body/it has been brushed/ or she's been "enhanced" in certain areas since.  I don't think what she has now is in that pic. 
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I just posted this on the Murder and Crime thread --


Sandy L - If you're around - can you go to Page 37 of the M&C thread, and try to post a rough interpretation of the articles texasmom posted? The screens shots are hard for me to work with - I have to TYPE them, and then run them through the Pap translator, which is inadequate at best ...

MsMarple,
I have several more that I haven't posted yet.  I don't want to overwhelm Sandy so I'll wait and post them after she posts summaries of the ones that are there.  The papers are FULL of police incidents practically every day.  I don't save nearly all of them, because it's hard for me to tell what some are concerning.  A lot of family issues too.  I'm sure I've probably left out a lot that could and should have been posted.  I'm sorry that the screenshots are hard to work with, I will try to post more text from now on.

THANKS SandyLeiva!
 :smt052
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your welcome going off to sleepy land now will check on you tomorrow eve to see if you need more translations.  SL

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                                           PIGS !!

sandy leiva - Thank you!

The duo Young and Castillo made  a heavy accusation against the stepfather of Natalee.
Has he plans to bring the 2 fraudsters to court ?

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Obama's quote is : Spread the truth

i have send him a letter this morning  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Dear Mr Obama ,
Is it possible to spend/use a few words about the Natalee Holloway case in Aruba ? In a speech ?
This girl is missing since 3 years now an there is no justice overthere .
If you will do this you are my friend and i will invite you for a short holliday in Amsterdam and otherwise i send you some wooden shoes .
I hope to hear you on tv about this Holloway case and i am sure it will bring you a lot  voters !
Your quote is spead the truth !
kind regards ,
Johan

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U.S. housing crisis touched Aruba  
ORANGE CITY - The American housing crisis leaves its marks on Aruba. Americans sell their property on the island in his own country to keep head above water. Saying that five of the largest brokers in Aruba especially for their luxury houses are dependent on Americans.
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"Most Americans were based on the value of their homes half or third mortgage taken to Aruba to buy a house", explains Kenneth Faustin broker of RE / MAX again. "The crisis we are certainly not new U.S. customers more. Prices have started to sink now after years of sellers who are willing to reduce. "

Marc Scot Borg WellnessHotel of Cold Banker, which had nearly U.S. customers only, is now forced on the local Aruban market. "That creates intense competition for a pie that was already relatively small."

Interest
The Aruban brokers, however, see the increased interest in Dutch and Canadian customers. "The rate of the euro and the Canadian dollar makes a purchase a lot more attractive," says Ronald bigger Best & Solid / Centrury 21. He hopes that purchases by Europeans, the U.S. can compensate for decline.

The poor condition of the property can be an advantage for getting a mortgage on Aruba, Lisa believes Carvalhal of Big Dot Real Estate. Because the banks have had a big blow, is a part of their incomes dropped. They are trying now to new customers to come.

The interest rates are lower than last year, set Carvalhal. Faustin of RE / MAX expects that things will go worse still, nevertheless walk. "Usually we get on Aruba's largest golf only after months."

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And to Mc Cain/Palin  ::MonkeyWink::


Dear Mr Mc Cain /mrs Palin ,
Is it possible to spend/use a few words about the Natalee Holloway case in Aruba ? In a speech ?
This girl is missing since 3 years now an there is no justice overthere .
If you will do this you are my friend and i will invite you for a short holliday in Amsterdam and otherwise i send you some wooden shoes .
I hope to hear you on tv about this Holloway case and i am sure it will bring you a lot  voters !

kind regards ,
Johan
The Netherlands

 





I don't want to get political and will not even hint at endorsing at candidate on this forum, but there is one thing that I would like to say.  Senator Joe Biden is a Vice Presidential candidate in this election.  Senator Biden is also the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.  I have personally sent many requests to Senator Biden asking for his help with the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba.  I have never received a response from Senator Biden to any of my correspondence.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 "Nothing ventured, nothing gained."

I most definitely had "nothing gained" in my appeals to Senator Biden.  This is a man who has expressed such sorrow over the loss of a child.  One would think that he would have been sympathetic to the plight of the Holloways.  As Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he was in a position to ask questions.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

"Nothing ventured, nothing gained" is right.  My thought has been to appeal to the current President to not leave office without doing something to help bring closure in this case.  I've started a letter in that regard.  They all tie up some loose ends in the last few months of their terms.  Yes, I know that he's had over three years to do something and hasn't done it; I just want to kindly remind him of it.  To me it compares to a hostage crisis; Aruba has held Natalee, her family, and all of us hostage for too long.  It's time for answers.  JMO

Good thought, TM.  I personally feel that too many of our government officials have cast a blind eye to Natalee and the Holloways.  They should be ashamed of themselves.

Thanks SS, and I agree. 

Loud and clear.  No double meaning here...

HT Pearl and Amethyst at BFN
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

Better translation (Google Translate):

Sunday, Nov. 9 1st broadcast Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter

NEW SEASON
PETER R. De Vries

First broadcast Sunday, November 9, 21.30 on SBS 6

Peter R. de Vries  and his team have been busy for the last 5 months preparing for the new series of broadcasts starting Sunday, November 9. At the usual time - 21.30 - and the trusted channel - SBS 6.

About the content of the new series is a lot to tell. There are again sensational revelations, important new insights into old and new cases surprising. And that's about all we will say. More details can and will not be given. Not to unnecessary secrecy to do. But because we do not want to wake sleeping dogs, because we are still very busy with checking and double checking the facts, because we just want to protect sources and because the the series is still in production.

- Sixteen transmissions --

The first set of the season for Peter R. de Vries runs until the end of December. Thereafter, the team goes back in silence through the second set, which from the spring is broadcast. A total of sixteen television broadcasts made in the years 2008-2009. Immediately the first broadcast already promises to be very spectacular. More about that at the end of this week.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

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http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/l143/robbers143.html (http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/l143/robbers143.html)

I was looking at this years beach tennis photos.  Once again, mixed in with the background island music, is "Sweet Home Alabama".   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


http://www.arubabeachtennis.com/oct08/oct08.html

I hope every time they hear that song, they remember Natalee! 
I noticed that an ex of Julia's (one of MANY) was in the competition.  I think he may be in the pic below.

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=23&Itemid=2
11/1/08 Edition 2
Diasabra 1 November 2008 Pagina 27 (3 of 24 on pdf file)

Italia a domina den Beach Tennis Tournament
E campeonnan mundial a gana e Beach Tennis Tournament

STA. CRUZ -- E clima tabata perfecto den e lugar cu tabata yen yen di
fanatico. E ambiente tabata electrificante y e final di Beach Tennis Tournament
tabata realmente tremendo. Den corto bisa, e Torneo di Beach Tennis
Internaiconal na MooMba Beach tabata un super hit.  E campeonnan mundial
Alex Mingozzi y Matteo Marighella, yama M&M a demostra nan abilidadnan
increibel den e santo, na momento cu nan a defende nan nomber y fama door
di gana e torneo. Nan a derota nan paisanonan Massimo Mattei y Marco
Skeda (8-5) den un final yen di suspenso.  Fanaticonan tabata contene nan rosea ora a
mira ambos team Italiano bringa manera tigernan, haciendo servicionan cu
tabata mustra di ta riba 100 miya pa ora. E publico tabata suspira durante
e encuentro y hasta nan tabata haci e ola cu e emcee Tony Brannon di
Bermuda tabata pidi pa haci. E tabata fantastico!  Henter e evento aki
di tres dia tabata algo magico, cu cantidad di hungador grandi for di
pafor y tambe for di Aruba mes. D.J. Jeroen a sa di mantene tur hende den
un super bon mood cu su musica y cu e actuacion di sorpresa di un drum band
durante e semifinalnan cu a demostra su calidad.  Organizadornan Sjoerd
de Vries y Jochem Ros por mira bek na un di e mihor Beach Tennis Tournamentnan.

Den e resultadonan e Pro final di Ladies tabata suspenso na momento cu Evelyn y
Marieke Buuts a bati Kim Tillemans/ Jolanda Sluys; nan a logra gana (8-7) te
despues di seis set, y e final den Masters (50+) cu Ramon Groot-Antink
y Tony Brannon a perde (8-6) contra Fred Arts y Peter Zweers di Bonaire
cu tabata mesun bon. E ganadornan tabata:
 Pro Men –
1. Alex Mingozzi/
Matteo Marighella (Italia)
2. Massimo Mattei/Marco
Scheda(Italia)
3. Jochem Ros/Chris
Henderson(Aruba/Merca)
3. Jan Pisecky/Edvard
Huszovnik(CZ)
5. Andy Bray/Mark
Codeiro(BDA)

Pro Ladies - 1. Evelyn
Peeters/Marieke Buuts
2. Kim Tillemans/Jolanda
Sluys

Advanced Men – 1.
Marco Ortalani/Wessel
Schaling (Italia/Aruba)
2. Cado de Vreede/
Dennis Schoneveld

Advanced Ladies – 1.
Jolanda/Marloes Kreijs
2. Maike van Paridon/
Karin Swiers
Advanced Mixed -1.
Marcus/Johanna Olson
(from Sweden)
2. Heleen Bongers/Renee
van der Spaan

Fun Men: 1. Freek
Teusink/Patrick Boset
2. Eric Turlot/Raynold

Fun Ladies1. Danielle/
Yvette. 2. Yvette Tromp/
Denise Krozendijk

Fun Mixed1. Else
Timmermans/Niels v/d
Eyden2. Anja Leenders/
Sergio Jacobs

Sponsernan pa e evento tabata MooMba Beach, Amstel Bright, Best &
Solid/Century-21, Alno Kitchen NV, InterAssure, I Love Aruba Guide, Aruba
Aloe, AMC Unicon y Active Events. Varios negoshi y restaurantnan local a haci
donacion di gift certificates na e ganadornan.

Boset third from left?
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Correction:  Boset third from RIGHT?   
......yes I do know my left from my right, sometimes anyway.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

texasmom

Don't think above are Bosset.

Hope this works:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/6488/1/

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Yep, that's him...Good eye, Buckeye!!

Promo for Peter R Devries 11/09 show:

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/video/promo09-11-08.wmv

 :smt102

Thanks Buckeye!  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/

Atraco na cas/club na Savaneta          
Sunday, 02 November 2008 - 00:32 
Diasabra anochi a sosode un atraco na Savaneta. Esaki a pasa na Club Arias. Club Arias ta un residencia y tambe hotel/lugar pa hasi fiesta na Savaneta ariba e caminda principal. 4 persona desconoci lo mester a drenta den e cas y mara e persona cu tabata den e cas. Aparentemente nan lo tabata demanda un of otro articulo/placa. Na dado momento e personanan a bandona e sitio y e persona a logra di sali for di cas pa asina bati alarma. E caso ta bow investigacion di e diferente departamentonan di Polis/Recherche.
 
Papiamento Translation:

saturday night owing to sosode one atraco at savaneta. this owing to happen at club arias. club arias is one residencia y also hotel/lugar for make party at savaneta upstairs the caminda principal. 4 person desconoci will have to owing to enter in the cas y mara the person cu was in the cas. apparently they will was demanda one or another articulo/placa. at dado instant the personanan owing to bandona the sitio y the person owing to succeed of leave for of cas for so beat alarma. the caso is bow investigacion of the various departamentonan of polis/recherche. come across

hey bastibro everything ok ?

10/31/08 Awe Mainta Pg 3
I believe it says that the woman worked for the Curacao Tourism Board.

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Papiamento translation of article:
willemstad - after cu yesterday the dead in trafico of one madam of 30 year cu was hibando cos sweet for birthday of his child at one kresh at bandabou owing to sacudi corsow, was yesterday afternoon in careda of 2’or cu corsow owing to find dobel shock hour cu the news owing to plama cu had one doble matansa in pietermaai. in the caso here was deal of one caso of asesinato y suicidio caminda one man of 42 year owing to murder his girlfriend y after owing to kill his self. the victima in the caso here was hiskia marlise de haas of 26 year, while cu he cu owing to maté was randy owing to. julio cloteda of 41 year of edad. the victima was work in office of turism at pietermaai y reportadamente yesterday afternoon past owing to ricibi one call telefonico caminda randy owing to yamé for come atendé one asunto cune on stacionamento of car at pietermaaiweg. do not conocí kico can owing to happen among they two, but testigonan presencial owing to hear tiro y hour owing to arrive serca owing to see the curpa already without life of the child muher in car. he self owing to throw his self kill. police is investigando the caso, but because; cu both protagonista is dead, will become dificil for find know version of thing owing to happen genuinely. father of the child muher t’e conocido ciudadano robbie de haas, that for años owing to manehá his office of broker of seguro, but recientemente owing to sell this. the caso here is being considera one asesinato pasional.

http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/
Video from the site of the murder/suicide, loved ones of deceased on site.
Very sad.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
Diahuebs merdia na Curacao a sosode un caso hopi serio ora cu un homber a tira su chick (empleada di Curacao Tourist Board). E homber a tira su chick mata dilanti e oficina di Curacao Tourist Board den Punda. E dama ta yui di conocido Robbie de Haas cu ta donjo di Seguros de Haas. Despues cu e homber a comete e asesinato e homber a comete suicidio. Click play pa mira e video.

Papiamento translation:
diahuebs afternoon at curacao owing to sosode one caso much earnest hour cu one man owing to throw his chick (empleada of curacao tourist board). he owing to throw his chick kill fast the office of curacao tourist board in punda. the lady is yui of conocido robbie de haas cu is donjo of seguros de haas. after cu he owing to comete the asesinato he owing to comete suicidio. click play for see the video. come across

http://nataleehome.proboards54.com/index.cgi?board=top&action=display&thread=1960



 ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I`m fine Johan, thanks.
I was trying to make my windows media player play flash files without succes so far.
I`m not a computer genius yet i guess ::MonkeyConfused::
You`re ok to?

 

There's no "shut my mouth" monkey face listed....

maybe download the opera browser bastibro

i found this

the Aruban authorities followed their own laws and legal procedures during the investigation. They had Joran Van der Sloot, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, the three suspects, under surveillance only three days after Natalee’s disappearance. The surveillance included visual sightings, monitor of emails and phone tappin.

Under surveillance ? after 3 days ? were they suspects at that moment ?

we need one of those, don't we!
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

I thought I always heard it was 10 days when the sur....watching started...

Yup...don't know that I can do it on my own....lol...but I'll try.... ::MonkeyWink::

Me to, although I think ALE has long knew what had happened . .

I'm adding a link Johan for those who have questions.  I'm guessing this is where you found it, it's the only one I came up with in a google search.  If it was a Dutch site, please post a link.

Thanks,
TM

http://gosouthamerica.about.com/od/newscurrenteve/a/Holloway32006.htm

that is the link TM

who is this with croessie ?

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The aruba  affair

What did the Amsterdam police in Aruba to search? And why de Ruiter Job wants the entire police and juistitietop replaced on that island? The IRT affair gets a Caribbean tail TO SHORT saw the radiant future for mr JHM Zwinkels. The Attorney-General of Aruba, until September 1991, subordinate to RA Gonsalves at the court in 's-Hertogenbosch, stood in his new work at the head of an ever-expanding further device. Money played no role in the fight against crime in the overseas territory.

BY Rene Zwaap

Since the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) in late eighties to Aruba Winds Down hotbed of international drug mafia uitriep and the motherland's insistence on strong action, the sky was the limit. There was a lemming-like flow of Dutch lawyers toward the small subtropical tourist paradise in motion, with some divisions in the wake of the Royal Navy, undercover agents of the Inter-Regional Rechercheteam (IRT) Melbourne-Sydney, infiltrators from the DEA and U.S. Customs officers.
Soon, the local Public Ministry proportionately three times as large as that of colleagues in Den Haag. It was also the island with a joyful own telefoontap central to the successful recipe of the donor country, where the central interception by the police and justice now houses an equally enjoy high popularity as before Honecker in East Germany or Richard Nixon White House. At a rustic coral reefs point to the Aruban verres the imposing villa of Mr. Zwinkels, as a symbol for the high expectations that he must have had about the new phase of his career had ended up.
On Monday, the idyll under the azure sky of Aruba shattered. Via De Telegraaf leaked a draft of the report of a rich committee headed by former Minister of Justice and Defense Job from the Horseman. In its advice to Voorhoeve of Aruban Affairs Minister De Ruiter suggests a genuine bureaucratic Bartholomew Eight with regard to the entire judiciary and police of the small island. The two police commisarissen of Orange City, Arie Rasmijn and Stanley Zaandam, according to The Horseman because of "unacceptable behavior" from the avenue be sent.
They should be replaced by J. the point, now head of the National Police. That aspect of The Rider Zwinkels reporting should have done. Rasmijn and Zaandam were grown in a short time to his arch-enemies, which so on. The report, De Ruiter also insists on the departure of another tormentor of Zwinkels, the Aruban Minister of Justice Watty Vos, who is responsible for the governance crisis in which draconian law enforcement on the island is immersed.
The bad news is that Zwinkels for his own position will be sacrificed if the opinion of De Ruiter is fully implemented. Zwinkels possible dismissal should be regarded as a peace offering from Den Haag, chief prosecutor in this case A. Docters van Leeuwen and Minister Sorgdrager. They are prepared their man on the bonds to Aruba if that frees them from the very dissident police on the island. According to De Ruiter investments Zwinkels line will not be replaced. His office fell. Instead, there would be a super prosecutor be appointed for both the Antilles as Aruba.
FOR THIS 'clean' in the proper perspective to see, it is necessary to return to February this year. When seized by the De Ruiter now so in the regular verdomhoekje Aruban police chiefs to the Rasmijn and Zaandam typmachine to draw up a report that grew into a bomb under the feet of not only Zwinkels, but also the Amsterdam police leadership, the Domestic Security Service, the Central Forensic Information Service (CRI), the Royal Navy, the DEA, the Hague Public Ministry and the various political leaders in the mainland.
"Already in the year 1995, your government on several occasions whether or not the intervention of the Minister of Justice Mr EJ Vos told us at least to address concerns of the Attorney-General Mr. JHM Zwinkels and Chief Prosecutor of the public prosecutor's Ministry Aruba mr JJ Van Eck, "Sun began reporting the Aruban politieduo to their ministers and Vos JHA Eman of General Affairs. Rasmijn Zaandam and made mention of "very bad things" would be concerned with Zwinkels. On the basis of reports from various police inspectors were Rasmijn Aruba and Zaandam with three major allegations against Zwinkels. The first case concerned a piece of the so-called "controlled by transit 'of 1000 pounds of marijuana from Aruba, for the benefit of the infiltration of a Colombian drug syndicate. Through straw men of the Justice Party would weed in Aruba offered to the Colombians, who then would ship to Canada.
The operation started in 1992 and was coordinated by Zwinkels. Justice would receive one million guilders for the party. Half of it, is informed Zwinkels to co Rasmijn would with the consent of Minister of Justice Vos in an account of the Aruban government be paid, so good for the island to make. However, it was not until 1994, just after the end of 1993 in the Netherlands IRT crisis had broken out, an amount received, namely 900,000 guilders. Zaandam in the Rasmijn and their report: "By Zwinkels prosecutor was determined that the controlled drug delivery and payment would not be writing; that of the amount collected 360,000, - for expenses incurred to the Dutch police would be paid, whereas the remaining amount Netherlands in his (Zwinkels - RZ) persoonijke bank would be paid that amount on his behalf by the intervention of staff of the CRI-Netherlands would be transferred to a secret account in England. Agents eventually would like to recover the amount one and only Mr. Zwinkels Commissioner Karsten of the Netherlands-CRI act. "
In December 1995 the Aruban government had still received no money from the deal. However, it was already half the proceeds - nearly half million - disappeared into the pockets of the two criminal infiltrators who had served Zwinkels. Chief to complain about the Rasmijn accused by Zwinkels. This gave him to understand that this is a complicated matter, which relates to the Netherlands playing IRT affair, thus requiring the futures Aruba party now would be difficult. "
That same month will Rasmijn turned to his Minister of Justice Vos. This Zwinkels denied anything ever having heard about the transaction. Vos was offended. "Only the fact that the Attorney-General (Zwinkels - RZ) did not consider it necessary to explain this to me, he is charged as such," the minister did know. Later accused the Aruban police Zwinkels 60,000 guilders to have them removed from the drug capital, which he set in its own ABN-Amro Taking would HEBEN parked.
ALSO THE SECOND the Rasmijn case and Zaandam wraakten in their report, was linked to the IRT-drama. The Aruban police noted in 1995 that some undercover agents of the Dutch police, or the BVD and the CRI, regular sums of money donated to the resident in Aruba wife of the arrested drug dealer Jack S.. The local police were completely surprised when it emerged that S., who was considered in a Dutch prison to stay at the end of 1995 suddenly appeared again in Aruba. He was sent on leave. And Zaandam will Rasmijn amazed that they are not by the Dutch Justice were informed that S. would come to Aruba.
Even greater was their surprise when they heard that the special leave for S. an action was Zwinkels. The latter gave the police chiefs over his right to mean that Van Eck S. 'is free to go and go where he wants. " And Zaandam will Rasmijn could not avoid the impression that the release of S. was exposed to the weed party for the Colombians. They felt deeply excluded.
That feeling was very strong around Christmas 1995 when they were suddenly faced with an order of Zwinkels and Van Eck that the Aruban police no activity on the day could explain for the benefit of the arrest of two drug dealers identified. Any form of action in that direction would be regarded as insubordination.
Instead, the Amsterdam police skilful leadership twenty heads a strong team from arrest to Aruba. Meanwhile, the Aruban police forbade Zwinkels also to any witnesses in a major drugs case should be heard, including former Justice Minister Rudy Croes. Van Eck Zwinkels right against Rasmijn and Zaandam: 'Shame on you realize that this witness an ex-Minister of Justice and current statenlid. You do not correspondences witnesses. Keep in mind that he as Minister of Justice could return in the next government. "
SHORT: the conclusion of Zaandam and the Rasmijn that Aruban police was kaltgestellt by Zwinkels, was certainly justified. The fear of Zwinkels to the local police in its investigations into them, their distrust fed right. It certainly appears that a mega-Zwinkels undercover operation of the Amsterdam police tried to keep secret. And that in 1995, two years after the Amsterdam Commissioner Nordholt and the Amsterdam Public Vrakking their loud disapproval had heard about the alleged infiltration method and IRT-Mayor Van Thijn was about to liquidation of the IRT Sydney / Melbourne.
This affair is quite interesting if the persistent rumors from Aruba to believe that some Dutch naval ships made available in guiding the transportation of the weed of the Colombians. That rumor seems to be motivated by the fact that Zwinkels the documents on the undercover operation to be equal to the headquarters of the Navy under Arubau brought on when the local press of the island on the matter began to call.
The Netherlands has a lot to lose in this case. That was the thrust of the letter that the Aruban former Minister of Justice Henry Croes usually very informed circles earlier this month to Prime Minister Cook sent. Croes urged them to absolute discretion in this affair. The report-The Horseman is a first step in that direction. © Rene Zwaap / De Groene Amsterdammer
=====================================================
De aruba-affaire

Wat had de Amsterdamse politie op Aruba te zoeken? En waarom wil Job de Ruiter de gehele politie- en juistitietop op dat eiland vervangen? De IRT-affaire krijgt een Caribisch staartje TOT VOOR KORT zag de toekomst er stralend uit voor mr. J.H.M. Zwinkels. De procureur-generaal van Aruba, tot september 1991 ressorterend onder mr. R.A. Gonsalves bij het gerechtshof in 's-Hertogenbosch, stond in zijn nieuwe werkterrein aan het hoofd van een almaar verder uitdijend apparaat. Geld speelde geen rol in de criminaliteitsbestrijding op het overzeese gebiedsdeel.

DOOR Rene Zwaap

Sinds de Amerikaanse Drugs Enforcement Agency (DEA) eind jaren tachtig Aruba tot Benedenwinds broeinest van de internationale drugsmaffia uitriep en bij het moederland op ferme maatregelen aandrong, was the sky the limit. Er kwam een lemmingachtige stroom van Hollandse juristen richting het kleine subtropische toeristenparadijs op gang, met in het kielzog enige divisies van de Koninklijke Marine, undercoveragenten van het Interregionale Rechercheteam (IRT) Noord-Holland-Utrecht, infiltranten van de DEA en Amerikaanse douanebeambten.
Al snel was het lokale Openbaar Ministerie naar verhouding drie keer zo groot als dat van de collega's in Den Haag. Ook werd het eiland verblijd met een eigen telefoontapcentrale, naar het succesvolle recept van het donorland, alwaar de afluistercentrale bij politie en justitie inmiddels een even huizenhoge populariteit geniet als vroeger in Honeckers DDR of Richard Nixons Witte Huis. Op een rustiek punt aan de Arubaanse koraalriffen verrees de imponerende villa van mr. Zwinkels, als symbool voor de hooggestemde verwachtingen die hij moet hebben gekoesterd over de nieuwe fase waarin zijn carrière was beland.
Afgelopen maandag werd de idylle onder de azuurblauwe hemel van Aruba wreed verstoord. Via De Telegraaf lekte een concept van het rapport van een rijkscommissie onder leiding van oud-minister van Justitie en Defensie Job de Ruiter uit. In zijn advies aan minister Voorhoeve van Arubaanse Zaken stelt De Ruiter een ware bureaucratische Bartholomeusnacht voor ten aanzien van de gehele justitie- en politietop van het kleine eiland. De twee politiecommisarissen van Oranjestad, Arie Rasmijn en Stanley Zaandam, moeten volgens De Ruiter wegens 'onaanvaardbaar gedrag' de laan uit worden gestuurd.
Zij zouden moeten worden vervangen door J. de Wijs, nu nog chef van het Korps Landelijke Politiediensten. Dat aspect van De Ruiters rapportage moet Zwinkels goed hebben gedaan. Rasmijn en Zaandam waren in korte tijd uitgegroeid tot zijn aartsvijanden, waarover zo meer. Het rapport-De Ruiter dringt ook aan op het vertrek van een andere kwelgeest van Zwinkels, de Arubaanse minister van Justitie Watty Vos, die verantwoordelijk wordt gesteld voor de draconische bestuurscrisis waarin de rechtshandhaving op het eiland is gedompeld.
Het slechte nieuws voor Zwinkels is dat ook zijn eigen positie wordt opgeofferd indien het advies van De Ruiter onverkort wordt doorgevoerd. Zwinkels mogelijke ontslag moet worden beschouwd als een zoenoffer van Den Haag, in casu opperprocureur A. Docters van Leeuwen en minister Sorgdrager. Zij zijn bereid hun man op Aruba de bons te geven als dat hen bevrijdt van de uiterst dissidente politietop van het eiland. Volgens de door De Ruiter uitgezette lijn zal Zwinkels niet worden vervangen. Zijn functie komt te vervallen. In plaats daarvan zou er een superprocureur-generaal worden aangesteld voor zowel de Antillen als Aruba.
OM DEZE 'grote schoonmaak' in het juiste perspectief te zien, is het noodzakelijk terug te keren naar februari dit jaar. Toen grepen de door De Ruiter nu zo in het verdomhoekje gezette Arubaanse politiechefs Rasmijn en Zaandam naar de typmachine ter opstelling van een rapport dat uitgroeide tot een bom onder de voeten van niet alleen Zwinkels, maar ook de Amsterdamse politieleiding, de Binnenlandse Veiligheidsdienst, de Centrale Recherche Informatiedienst (CRI), de Koninklijke Marine, de DEA, het Haagse Openbaar Ministerie en de diverse politiek verantwoordelijken in het moederland.
'Reeds in het jaar 1995 heeft uw regering bij diverse gelegenheden al of niet door tussenkomst van de minister van Justitie de heer E.J. Vos onzerzijds vernomen van op zijn minst bedenkingen aan het adres van de procureur-generaal mr. J.H.M. Zwinkels en hoofdofficier van Justitie van het parket openbaar ministerie Aruba mr. J.J. van Eck', zo begon de rapportage van het Arubaanse politieduo aan hun ministers Vos en J.H.A. Eman van Algemene Zaken. Rasmijn en Zaandam maakten gewag van 'zeer dubieuze zaken' waarbij Zwinkels betrokken zou zijn. Aan de hand van rapporten van diverse politie-inspecteurs van Aruba kwamen Rasmijn en Zaandam met drie zware aantijgingen aan het adres van Zwinkels. Het eerste geval betrof een staaltje van de zogeheten 'doorgecontroleerde doorvoer' van 1000 kilo marihuana vanuit Aruba, ten bate van de infiltratie van een Colombiaans drugssyndicaat. Via stromannen van Justitie zou de partij weed op Aruba aan de Colombianen worden aangeboden, die het vervolgens naar Nederland zouden verschepen.
De operatie startte in 1992 en werd gecoördineerd door Zwinkels. Justitie zou een miljoen gulden ontvangen voor de partij. De helft daarvan, zo deelde Zwinkels aan Rasmijn mede, zou met instemming van minister van Justitie Vos op een rekening van de Arubaanse regering worden gestort, teneinde goede werken voor het eiland te kunnen verichten. Echter: pas in 1994, net nadat eind 1993 in Nederland de IRT-crisis was uitgebroken, werd een bedrag ontvangen, te weten 900.000 gulden. Rasmijn en Zaandam in hun rapport: 'Door procureur Zwinkels werd toen bepaald dat de gecontroleerde drugsaflevering en betaling niet schriftelijk zou worden vastgelegd; dat van het geïnde bedrag 360.000,- voor gemaakte onkosten aan de Nederlandse politie zou worden betaald; dat het overige bedrag in Nederland op zijn (Zwinkels - rz) persoonijke bankrekening zou worden gestort; dat het bedrag op zijn rekening door tussenkomst van personeel van de CRI-Nederland zou worden overgeboekt op een geheime rekening in Engeland. Uiteindelijk zouden als gemachtigden ter inning van het bedrag slechts mr. Zwinkels en ene commissaris Karsten van de CRI-Nederland fungeren.'
In december 1995 had de Arubaanse regering nog steeds geen geld ontvangen van de deal. Wel was inmiddels de helft van de opbrengst - bijna een half miljoen - verdwenen in de zakken van de twee criminele infiltranten van wie Zwinkels zich had bediend. Korpschef Rasmijn beklaagde zich daarover bij Zwinkels. Deze gaf hem te verstaan dat 'het hier een ingewikkelde zaak betreft, die betrekking heeft op de in Nederland spelende IRT-affaire, waardoor het opvragen van het Aruba toekomende deel thans moeilijk zou zijn'.
Diezelfde maand wendde Rasmijn zich tot zijn minister van Justitie Vos. Deze ontkende ooit iets van Zwinkels te hebben gehoord over de transactie. Vos was gebelgd. 'Slechts het feit dat deze procureur-generaal (Zwinkels - rz) het niet nodig vond mij hierover in te lichten, wordt hem als zodanig aangerekend', liet de minister weten. Later beschuldigde de Arubaanse politietop Zwinkels ervan 60.000 gulden te hebben onttrokken aan het drugskapitaal, dat hij op een eigen ABN-Amrorekening zou heben geparkeerd.
OOK HET TWEEDE geval dat Rasmijn en Zaandam in hun rapport wraakten, was gelieerd aan het IRT-drama. De Arubaanse politie merkte in 1995 dat enkele undercover-agenten van de Nederlandse politie, c.q. de BVD en de CRI, regelmatig geldsommen doneerden aan de op Aruba verblijvende echtgenote van de gearresteerde drugshandelaar Jack S.. De lokale politie was helemaal verbaasd toen bleek dat S., die werd geacht in een Nederlandse gevangenis te verblijven, eind 1995 plotseling weer op Aruba opdook. Hij was op verlof gestuurd. Rasmijn en Zaandam verbaasden zich erover dat zij niet door de Nederlandse Justitie waren ingelicht dat S. naar Aruba zou komen.
Nog groter was hun verbazing toen zij hoorden dat het speciale verlof voor S. een actie was van Zwinkels. De laatste gaf de politiechefs via zijn rechterhand Van Eck te verstaan dat S. 'vrij is te gaan staan en gaan waar hij maar wil'. Rasmijn en Zaandam konden zich niet aan de indruk onttrekken dat de vrijlating van S. te maken had met de partij weed voor de Colombianen. Zij voelden zich ernstig buitengesloten.
Dat gevoel werd helemaal sterk toen zij rond kerst 1995 opeens werden geconfronteerd met een order van Zwinkels en Van Eck dat de Arubaanse politie geen enkele activiteit aan de dag mocht leggen ten bate van het arresteren van twee gesignaleerde drugsdealers. Iedere vorm van actie in die richting zou als insubordinatie worden beschouwd.
In plaats daarvan vaardige de Amsterdamse politieleiding een twintig koppen sterk arrestatieteam af naar Aruba. Ondertussen verbood Zwinkels de Arubaanse politie ook om eventuele getuigen in een grote drugszaak te horen, onder wie oud-minister van Justitie Rudy Croes. Zwinkels rechterhand Van Eck tegen Rasmijn en Zaandam: 'Jullie moeten je realiseren dat deze getuige een ex-minister van Justitie is en huidig statenlid. Jullie correspondenties getuigen daar niet van. Hou er rekening mee dat hij als minister van Justitie zou kunnen terugkeren bij een volgende regering'.
KORTOM: de conclusie van Zaandam en Rasmijn dat de Arubaanse politie werd kaltgestellt door Zwinkels, was zeer zeker gerechtvaardigd. De angst van Zwinkels om de lokale politie bij zijn onderzoeken te betrekken, voedde hun wantrouwen terecht. Het heeft er alle schijn van dat Zwinkels een mega-undercoveroperatie van de Amsterdamse politie geheim probeerde te houden. En dat in 1995, twee jaar nadat de Amsterdamse commissaris Nordholt en de Amsterdamse officier Vrakking hun luide afkeuring hadden laten horen over de gewraakte IRT-infiltratiemethode en burgemeester Van Thijn overging tot liquidatie van het IRT Utrecht/Noord-Holland.
Helemaal interessant wordt deze affaire als men de aanhoudende geruchten vanuit Aruba moet geloven dat de Nederlandse marine enkele schepen beschikbaar heeft gesteld voor de begeleiding van het transport van de weed van de Colombianen. Dat gerucht lijkt te worden gestaafd door het feit dat Zwinkels de documenten over de undercoveroperatie naar verluidt gelijk bij het hoofdkwartier van de marine op Arubau onderbracht toen de lokale pers van het eiland over deze zaak begon te roepen.
Nederland heeft veel bij deze zaak te verliezen. Dat was dan ook de strekking van het schrijven dat de Arubaanse oud-minister Henri Croes van Justitie volgens doorgaans zeer welingelichte kringen eerder deze maand aan premier Kok deed toekomen. Croes drong daarin aan op absolute discretie in deze affaire. Het rapport-De Ruiter is een eerste stap in die richting. © Rene Zwaap / De Groene Amsterdammer

Een snotneus! Lijkt wel een beetje op Sebastiaan ::MonkeyEek::

Fat ASS trolly boy? ::MonkeyWink::

skinhead ,extreme rechts ? ::MonkeyHaHa::

peter with a travo  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Can someone put me in touch with Renee Gielen....I got something I want to say to her....AKA...Domafre...

And ready to eliminate samba monkey Steve !

That`s the reason Joran was in Thailand.  We knew it ::MonkeyNoNo::

the baby joran 1 year old

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Sorry LoRain, she does not belong to my friends. Maybe her gOOd  friend Daniel Young can . .   :idea:

Gielen the "Star reporter " ?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


rehab@aruba.ar   lol

 :smt093

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she works as a Volunteer  here Lorain that's all i know ,she works there every day .


http://www.dierenbeschermingcuracao.com/

   info-dbc@onenet.an

She really ticks me off...

My bed is calling me! Goodnight Monkeys

Goodnight Bastibro!  Hope we will get more information on Peter's new shows this week!

 ::MonkeyCool::

google

DIERENBESCHERMING CURAÇAO - CURAÇAO SOCIETY FOR THE PROTECTION OF ... - [ Vertaal deze pagina ]
... of Animals (Stichting Dierenbescherming Curaçao) would like to convey their most ... Veterinarian Liane Martis, volunteer Renée Gielen and veterinarian ...
www.cura.net/dierenbescherming/newsarchive_julysept2005.html - 24k - In cache - Gelijkwaardige pagina's

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"Cannot display this page"...well I can wait... ::MonkeyCool:: ....thanks all...

Hey Johan, you are getting as good as Klaas on these pictures.  I love it. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Urine looks like he just saw a ghost...maybe he did.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I hope he sees a ghost everytime he lays down and closes his eyes to sleep.  And I hope he sees a ghost around every corner, in the closet and under the bed.  jmho, of course. 

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volunteer Renée Gielen

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on January 24 2008 a gielen troll says :

Posted by: tj |  January 24  2008 11:29

She is working on a documentary about this case and soon we can see it on  network tv or a one today tv.

Soon ??????? ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Geplaatst door: tj | 24 januari 2008 om 11:29

Zij werkt aan een documentaire over deze zaak die binnenkort bij Netwerk of Een vandaag wordt uitgezonden.

   
       Psychologist Bram Bakker Joran is a psychopath!
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Translation: Dutch » English
A psychiatric report of Joran van der Sloot would psychiatrist Erik Gerretsen very interested. "I am sincerely interested to hear a report on the boy," says Gerretsen, who works at the Forensic Psychiatric Service of the Ministry of Justice. "Because everything is incomprehensible. That lie, for example, what is that? It suggests that the boy lives in different realities." Van der Sloot leads to an anti-social personality disorder, psychologist believes Bram Bakker.
Bakker: "I am not a diagnosis, but I say what strikes me at that boy. What else does not want to say that Joran is not responsible for his deeds. He just has no conscience and act only from self-interest. He wanted to actually earn more money to the affair. "
According Brambring Bakker act there is very little people like Joran. "You voost with a girl on the beach, which gets seizures and she seems to die, then you do not call the doctor but you dump it at sea. That is not typical. Fortunately, there are not many of those types." Psychiatric disorders are a combination of genetic and environmental factors. Bakker: "It is tempting to think that you'll see back issues Joran's father, who also wanted to save from the currency situation. From the conscience of man that I am not really impressed."

Gerretsen father also believes that Van der Sloot a "remarkable role 'plays. Which, as he did not want to speculate. "You would first have to go after what that family structure works."

Gelderlander

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    Psycholoog Bram Bakker Joran is een psychopaat!


Joran van der Sloot mist geweten'

Een psychiatrisch rapport van Joran van der Sloot zou psychiater Erik Gerretsen zeer interesseren. "Ik ben oprecht benieuwd naar een rapportage over die jongen", zegt Gerretsen, die werkt bij de Forensisch Psychiatrische Dienst van het ministerie van Justitie. "Omdat alles onbegrijpelijk is. Dat liegen, bijvoorbeeld, wat is dat? Het duidt erop dat die jongen in verschillende werkelijkheden leeft." Van der Sloot leidt aan een antisociale persoonlijkheidsstoornis, meent psycholoog Bram Bakker.
Bakker: "Ik stel geen diagnose, maar ik zeg wat mij opvalt aan die jongen. Wat nog niet wil zeggen dat Joran niet verantwoordelijk is voor zijn daden. Hij heeft gewoon geen geweten en handelt uitsluitend uit eigenbelang. Hij wilde nota bene nog geld verdienen aan de affaire."
Volgens Bram Bakker handelen er juist heel weinig mensen zoals Joran. "Je voost met een meisje op het strand, die krijgt stuipen en ze lijkt dood te gaan, en dan bel je niet de dokter maar je dumpt haar in zee. Dat is niet doorsnee. Gelukkig zijn er niet veel van die types." Psychiatrische stoornissen zijn een combinatie van erfelijke- en omgevingsfactoren. Bakker: "Het is verleidelijk te denken dat je Jorans problematiek terugziet bij de vader, die eveneens munt wilde slaan uit de situatie. Van het geweten van die man ben ik ook niet echt onder de indruk."

Ook Gerretsen vindt dat vader Van der Sloot een 'merkwaardige rol' speelt. Welke, daarover wil hij niet speculeren. "Je zou eerst na moeten gaan hoe die gezinsstructuur in elkaar steekt."

gelderlander

    Wednesday June 22, 2005

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.

S: Yes.

D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.

S: What did he say?

D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.

Good Morning!...IIRC Paulus had warned them previously that their conversations could be monitored...But I do think that Freddy is key to all this mess! ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Johan, you are cracking me up this morning, lmao.

Thanks for the info Johan...

I swanee....this is the most secret publisized case I know of...secret recordings...secret video tapes...secret documents...secret letters...secret authors of documentaries posting under a fake screen name...it's a damn wonder we know anything... ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Why don't you just go to BNH (Bring Natalee Home) and ask Glenda or Mark to help you.
 We all know you are friends with them.
 I'm sure she can hook you up.

Oh what little you know Ms. Blonde....what little you know... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know this LoRain BNH
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I hope you didn't spend too much of your valuable time searching for that post....that's old news... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think we need to see this again.

Why do you ask this here so cautious ?
Do you want to know who has Gielen's email ?
Because her website is down ?

My thoughts exactly, Blonde.
 I can smell Troll trying to hide in a monkey suit.

Yeah you two usually do....but you're smelling crooked...that is unless Renee is a buddy of yours...

Never mind with yous.... ::MonkeyRoll::

Thanks Johan...I will contact her and tell her what's on my mind...I'm sure she'll be just thrilled... ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'll second that...

Better than looking at ugly suspicous "things"... ::MonkeyEek::

I have belonged to Scared Monkeys since a couple of weeks since Natalee went missing. I originally belonged to Dan's site Rheil World View. When Scared Monkeys went down the first time I joined the original Refugees. Seldom posted found it was not for me.

I also belong to Blogs for Natalee as well as Gold Monkeys. For awhile I belonged to Bring Natalee Home.I never saw Lorain post anything derogatory about Natalee or any of her family members. I appreciate that she continues to post on here as well as at BFN. She helps us to keep Natalee's thread active.

I am also under the impression we are not to discuss other Monkeys.I could be wrong though.
Please though we are all here for Natalee.
Justice for Natalee. JMHO
Sam

Thank you Sam...I don't know what I ever did that made some folks label me a troll or anything negative...but what the hay....I'll still be here for Natalee even after folks run out of names to call me...have a great day Sam and the rest here...going to look for my cat again....

Hi Lorain,

Someone emailed me posts from BFN but I cannot make sense of them.
Renee was invited by Robin to BNH and is now posting there? Is that right?

Hi guys,

Anyone seen this article in the Telegraaf yet? "Joran's going to sue De Vries."
(Because of infringement of his copyrights of his face/appearance.)

http://tinyurl.com/6jej45

BTW: tomorrow's your big day!? Vote wisely!

Bye!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l5tnwvPSaM

That's the way I understand it....well that is if Robin really invited her.....but yes...Renee is there at BNH and I AM NOT...so... ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Just translated it quickly myself with the help of google:

Joran is going to sue De Vries

AMSTERDAM - Bert Rooij, the lawyer for Joran van der Sloot, is examining the possibility to drag  Peter R Vries befor the court. The crime reporter would be broadcast on the Holloway case have infringed the copyright of Joran van der Sloot.
According to the court there was no question of copyright-protected material. The Supreme Court, however, suggested last May that the tapes are indeed protected by copyright. "The expressions of someone are protected, if someone else uses that, that is an infringe on your copyright", told The Rooij in an interview. "De Vries took, using a hidden camera, a confession from Joran. If there is a breach then of course we consider compensation", reports The Press
De Vries says in the TV guide he gladly looks forward to the claim. The crime reporter believes that De Rooij, "should be more concerned about the violations that Joran has committed to the young life of Natalee Holloway," said De Vries. "A lawsuit is a good time to further explanations about the behavior of Joran to ask."

Dumped into the sea

Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba three years ago. Van der Sloot told a hidden camera that he indeed knew of the disappearance of American student. Holloway became unwell Joran during lovemaking. Together with a friend, he would have dumped her body into the sea.

 Joran van der Sloot thinks of claim against De Vries
Released: November 3, 2008 13:44
Last amended: 3 November, 2008 13:47

AMSTERDAM - The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot, Bert de Rooij, examine the possibility of SBS or Peter R. de Vries for the right to drag. The program maker would have been high-profile broadcast on the Holloway case have infringed the copyright of Van der Sloot.

 
"If there is infringed by Peter R. de Vries, then of course we consider compensation", says De Rooij this week in the Vara Guide. De Vries ontfutselde with a hidden camera a confession about the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway.

Endstra

The lawyer compares any proceeding with the case that the heirs of the murdered real estate dealer in 2004 Willem Endstra against journalists of The Parool. That case is still sub judice.

Endstra claimed before his death in secret talks with the Amsterdam police. Journalists Paul Vugts Bart Middelburg and brought the tape recorded conversations last year as an integral book. The families of the murdered in 2004 Endstra want a ban on the book because the compilers would have violated its copyright.

Copyright

The court, and before the court, ruled that the tapes no copyright rests, but the Supreme Court turned that view in May this year. There is now a new view of the court which is needed to determine whether the so-called backseat talks personal stamp of Willem Endstra bear.

"The manifestations of someone they are protected. If someone else to make money is an infringement on your copyright", says De Rooij in the interview with journalist Twan Huys.

De Vries

De Vries says in the TV guide the claim "with interest" to see. He believes that De Rooij 'is better bekreunen about the infringements which Joran made in the young life of Natalee Holloway. " "A lawsuit is a good time to further explanations about certain practices of Joran to ask."

Holloway

Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba three years ago. In a seven million viewers a broadcast on SBS 6 said Van der Sloot at a by De Vries enabled infiltrator in a car with hidden cameras that he did more knew of the disappearance of American student.

Holloway would have become unwell during a party Friday, after which Van der Sloot would have called a friend to help him dump it at sea. The show won an Emmy Award in September in the Current Affairs category.

Van der Sloot is at large. The OM held this year after De Vries' broadcast that he could not again be held on the basis of the confession with the hidden camera.
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Hope that helps...

Is examining the possibility   ::MonkeyHaHa::

All they want is money again !

By the way: coming sunday is the first show of P.R. de Vries of the new season. If I'm correct a couple of weeks ago I heard him say somewhere that that show would be about the Natalee Holloway-case.

I'll keep my eyes open and will let you know!

ANd what is Joran's " copyright" ???? ::MonkeyConfused::  lying all the time  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Exactly right! Who might represent Joran, with plenty of time on his hands, none other than daddy dearest.

Paulus would represent Joran not only because he has time on his hands, but imo they would want to keep the money in the family. 

it is not on the ANP
Not on the pers website anymore
and he  "Is examining the possibility"
so it is a "storm in a glass of water."

Thanks BB, great Flashback interview!  ::MonkeyDance::

I think I'll add it to my favorites and listen to it often.

People can say what they will about Jossy, but that interview says it all for me.  He is the ONLY one in the media on that island that has the courage to TELL THE TRUTH about this case, and the corruption in the government.  We need him to keep it up, and the Aruban people need him to keep it up.  I know God will bless him for it.
 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks EURobert

I think the family vd Sloot  is bankrupt   ::MonkeyHaHa::

zit je op een goeie stoel bastibro ?

Here are the "kralenmiepen" girlfriends of Gielen  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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What is this ?

Police obtain wholesale access to encrypted e-mails and internet discussion groups used by activists

Wednesday 27 July 2005, by Statewatch
 


On 21 June 2005, members of the association Autistici/Inventati found out that an operation by the postal police in June 2004 may have resulted in the entire telecommunications traffic passing through their servers, and its contents, having been under surveillance for the last year in the context of police investigations into terrorist activities by anarchists. Autistici/Inventati is active in the field of privacy rights and provides encrypted Internet and e-mail services widely used by Italian activists, journalists, lawyers and student groups. Investici, a non-profit association that is responsible for the autistici.org and inventati.org domains, plays host to 500 websites, 600 discussion groups with 30,000 participants, and 5,000 e-mail accounts, and offered secure communications encrypted using an SSL protocol.

On 15 June 2004, the postal police went to the headquarters of the commercial web hosting company Aruba, whose server farm had Investici’s servers in "housing" (providing space and connection, although ownership of and responsibility for the servers are exercised by Investici), to carry out enquiries in relation to specific e-mail accounts, demanding access to the computer belonging to Investici, which held the entire contents of the two domains that it runs. The investigation related to the e-mail account of the group Crocenera anarchica (Anarchist Black Cross, an anarchist collective), and Aruba allowed the police access to the computer, unplugging the server and allowing them to copy its contents and encryption keys, thus rendering the server’s SSL protocol and security certificates ineffective. The company did not inform Investici, its customer, about this, and when Investici complained about the server being down, staff at Aruba lied, claiming that there was a problem related to the electric mains cabinet. A statement by Investici argues that this case "clinically certifies the death of digital privacy in Italy", adding that if it had been informed and its lawyers had been involved "the violation of thousands of users’ privacy may have been prevented".

The association found out about these events a year later as a result of an investigation into Crocenera anarchica, seven of whose members were arrested in May 2005 in Rome and Bologna. Their website, hosted by ecn.org (an activist domain), was confiscated by the police, after the prosecutors’ office argued that it included subversive material which may have been related to a letter-bomb campaign that targeted, among others, Romano Prodi, the former Commission president. ECN’s lawyer Gilberto Pagani argued that the website did not contain "anything of the kind", and the arrests were annulled by a judge who considered them "unfounded". The appeal and a request for Autistici/Inventati to shut down the group’s e-mail account resulted in the disclosure of some details of the investigations. This showed that the police had copied the contents of the server "acquiring information that could be used for a potential mass registration", according to a statement by Investici. The documents concerning the investigation that were handed over to the association include a report by the Reparto Operazioni Speciali (ROS, special operations unit) of the carabinieri (Italy’s paramilitary police force) which sought to map the "insurrectionalist anarchist scene" and a report by the Divisione Investigazione Generale e Operazioni Speciali (DIGOS, special operations and general investigation division) unit of the police that describes the investigation which led to the intervention by the postal police. The DIGOS report includes the complaints by postal police officers analysing the traffic data of the Crocenera anarchica bulletin who wanted to de-crypt the e-mail communications of some suspects to confirm their suspicions over who had sent out which issue of the bulletin.

Investici stated that it will take legal action, file a complaint before the privacy ombudsman, and transfer its service to some new machines, as well as calling for a boycott of Aruba. The company claimed in a statement to have merely followed an order issued by the prosecutors’ office in Bologna, and those given by the officers who executed it, adding that its staff could not refuse to carry them out and were not authorised to inform the people affected without incurring criminal sanctions of their own. It also stressed that the fact that it did not run the server, which was not its property and was only in "housing" at Aruba, meaning that it was unable to provide the postal police with only a limited section of its contents, something that it could have done in relation with servers that it did run itself. Nonetheless, this raises the issue of whether it had the authority to hand over the server’s contents, and whether Investici, who was the owner and had responsibility over the server should have been responsible for allowing or refusing the police access to its servers. After all, it was not Investici, but rather a collective using its services, that was under investigation. Furthermore, the purpose for which the association ran the servers and related services was to provide a channel for secure communications for the groups and collectives using them, a purpose that it was unknowingly unable to fulfil, with consequences for its users.

For instance, the Genova Legal Forum (GLF) lawyers, a network that is defending many of the accused activists and is documenting abuses by police and carabinieri officers during the incidents at the G8 in Genoa in July 2001, used the Autistici/Inventati communication services - which may mean that their legal strategy and communications may have been under surveillance over the last year, contravening the rights to lawyer-customer confidentiality, a fair trial and privacy of communications. A statement by Autistici/Inventati expressed its regret for having used commercial services, drawing the conclusion that its members’ "paranoia" with regards to the protection of its customers’ data and communications had proved insufficient to protect them, in part because of an ill-placed faith in data protection legislation, adding that only what it refers to as "hard encryption" instruments "such as gpg" offer any guarantee.

It is not the first time that the Italian police and judicial authorities have interfered with material relating to events in Genoa, a process that started on the very week-end of the summit, with a police raid on the school from which Indymedia had been operating during the Summit in 2001. There were a large number of indiscriminate beatings, and raids on social centres and a trade union office linked to the Italian Indymedia network, as well as a Bologna office of the Associazione dei Giuristi Democratici (Association of Democratic Lawyers), on the same pretext of seeking "photographic/video material made by private individuals" relevant to investigations into July’s G8 summit in Genoa (see Statewatch news online, February 2002). Moreover, lap-top computers were confiscated from two people acting as legal advisors for the GLF who were accosted by over a dozen policemen during a lunch break, when they attended a hearing in a trial involving activists in March 2005 in Milan. The confiscation was ordered by judges in Genoa who claimed that their court reports were "defamatory" towards them.

On 27 June 2005 another server hosting Internet privacy related services, called Firenze Linux Users Group (FLUG), issued a statement claiming that its server had been interfered with, due to the absence of some screws and details such as a missing CD-Rom cable and a side of the computer which was not correctly re-assembled.

Bedankt dat je even waarschuwt Johan . . ik zit nog steeds steady op mn draaistoel.
Ik las net echter wel iets dat me weer deed huiveren ::MonkeyNoNo::  bah

Is een fake bericht denk ik
was naar de pers gestuurt
die hebben het snel weer van de website afgehaald
en het is bij de telegraaf terecht gekomen
het komt Niet van het ANP af

you see this message :

the lawyer for Joran van der Sloot, is examining the possibility to drag  Peter R Vries befor the court.

is examining the possibility  ::MonkeyHaHa::

and during the examining  he send a press release ? ::MonkeyConfused::

That is not how it works in this world

Bring some to court .... or not

Pau & Witteman > Moszkowicz is there

How old is Renee????

Well, according to well informed sources Joran is very angry with Peter R de Vries.
The reason for this is that Joran wanted a gay marriage with Peter, which rejected him!!  ::MonkeyEek::

It`s no more than a way to get some attention imo, he`s just affraid we`ll forget him.

65?

I think Joran is in a straitjacket (dwangbuisje ) in Den Dolder  ::MonkeyHaHa::

den dolder

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Really???? 

At least i think Always, but i`m an optimist ::MonkeyWink::

I am sure Devries is thinking....bring it on!  LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, she looks that old, but acts much younger.

Do you really think vd sloot dare a lawsuit to start  against John de Mol /Peter rd Vries ?
And what did Joran & fam  and Gielen  with Nathalee's "copyright" ?

this is the new gielen "trolls" club rumour today   ::MonkeyHaHa::

We found  a speech by Beth Twitty have emerged which it says "her daughter is studying abroad." We should remember that Natalee in South America or Europe studying


Er is een toespraak van Beth Twitty opgedoken waarin zij beweert dat “haar dochter in het buitenland studeert”. We moeten er rekening mee houden dat Natalee in Zuid Amerika of Europa studeert..

Yes, she`s now having her second youth, by telling lies, lies and more lies and she`s desperately trying to get in the picture with her horrific cam docu. However, when she became aware of the fact that she would not succeed in getting famous,  she saw no other way then spending her evenings on several blogs to seek for some sympathy.
Isn`t that pathetic?!

Where's that "shut my mouth" monkey face again?...

ROFL, you can speak out!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ahhh...but can I?....

Domafre....)%+($(*^$#^_)(#$^#^()_... ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::

Here is one  (http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/shutup.gif)

The promo, for the new season, on Peter R.'s site is Joran in the car.  The lawyer must be trying to scare Peter R. Don't think Peter could have paid for better advertisement for his new season.  Everyone will want to know why Joran's family is so worried. That family needs some better advisers.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you Bastribro....I might need that... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Name   Renee Marie Louise Gielen
Address   Alexanderlaan 8
Curacao  Netherlands Antilles
Date of birth   November 21, 1949
Place of birth   Eindhoven
Country of birth   The Netherlands
Nationality   Dutch

Paulus has to come up with a better plan . . he has no idea of what`s hanging over his (*^$#^_)(# head  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Youre welcome!   Goodnight ALL ::MonkeyWink::

Goodnight Bastibro! 

They're idiots and the Aruban government has enabled their distorted sense of entitlement.  Where is Caps?  I'd like to know what is happening with Parts 3, 4, and 5 of the witness statements and Jossy's Diario articles.

Did you get the 11 year time out Lorain? I did . LOL

Well I guess this post was interesting enough to get itself copied all the way to BNH....isn't that amazing?...

LOL Sam....I just saw your post...I dunno....maybe I get more than that being as how I quit myself....but I did hear they banned me for quitting though...   ::MonkeyConfused::

"Renee Scoops" poop.... ::MonkeyShocked::

You know....it's not my nature to be mean or ugly....my appologies....

Domafre...if you would like to settle this I will be glad to see that you get my email addy...

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Sunday`s first Peter R de Vries show will be on Natalee`s case !!  

It`s called:  `Joran 2`

see promo here . .     http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb7XrBwTFRU

Thanks, bastibro  ::MonkeyCool::

de advocaat was sterk aan het bluffen die van joran  ::MonkeyHaHa::
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Endstra zaak is 30/5 door de Hoge Raad terugverwezen naar het gerechtshof te 's-Gravenhage ter verdere behandeling en beslissing.

Het hof waarnaar de zaak verwezen wordt, zal opnieuw moeten beoordelen of de achterbankgesprekken voortbrengselen zijn die het persoonlijk stempel van Endstra als maker dragen, met inachtneming van hetgeen in dit arrest[1] daaromtrent is overwogen.

http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BC2153

   Joran's  lawyer also plays poker
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Endstra case, 30 / 5 by the Supreme Court referred back to the court at The Hague for further consideration and decision.

The court which referred the case, it will re-evaluate whether the talks back products that are the personal stamp of Endstra as wear maker, which is in compliance with this ruling [1] in this regard is considered.

http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BC2153

Just stopping to see if you guys knew...and as always you are on the ball!!

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TV MOMENT  OF THE YEAR

Joran broadcast candidate
 
The report on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway can win the title 'TV Moment of the Year 2008'. In the broadcast Joran van der Sloot confessed his involvement in the loss of American teenager on.

- TWENTY MILLION VIEWERS --

More than seven million Dutch people saw on February 3, 2008 how to undercover Patrick Joran van der river Eem told what to do with Natalee has happened. In the United States looked further thirteen million people to the confession of Joran. On September 22 received Peter R. de Vries the prestigious Emmy Award for this report.

- VOTING ON PETER R. DE VRIES --

The much-discussed broadcast is best viewed non-sports since the introduction of commercial television in the Netherlands. You can help that Peter R. de Vries price 'TV Moment of the Year 2008 "in the wait dragged on. Vote here.

The prize is awarded Saturday 10 Jan, 2009. The first round of voting will run until January 2. Then the fift

we are soooooooooo fast ldstlou  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

YOU ARE!!!! Terrific too!!!

Posted by GBMW at BFN:

After airing the promo:

We will be making an extra long show again; and you've seen it correctly...it's about Joran.

Albert Verlinde asking: Will it be about the case or about Joran after the broadcast?

Peter: About everything.

Albert Verlinde: And revelations?

Peter: And revelations.

Beau van Erven Dorens: New things?

Peter: Yes, new things. Yeah...(GBMW: and then he comes with an expression that means he won't come with old stuff in a new package) I'm not going to put an 'exlusive' thing out if I don't have anything.

Beau van Erven Dorens: Should Joran be worried?

Peter: He surely better watch...(GBMW: and then a big smile).

Albert Verlinde: Will it be the kind of show that will win the prize of prizes?

Peter: Well, that's up to judge by others...but...
 

i saw this in a statement
J says to the brothers: You didn’t do that.
J says to the brothers: Half of what you said isn’t the f***ing truth.
J says to the brothers: That’s going to show in time.
J says to the brothers: Same as they control me, they control you too.
S says to J: About us, about us. They can find proof, but not about you.
S says to J: With lies there is no proof.
J says to the brothers: Everything is shit from Karen, you don’t know shit.
J says to the brothers: f*** you.
D says to J: You think the girl doesn’t have anything on, you’re going to see who, who f***/coy (the last part could not be heard well).
J says to D: We will see.
J says to D: You know when I’m going to laugh; when I give you a wanta [punch?] in the face.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Everything is shit from Karen

what told Karen (the pornmovie star) the police

was she involved ?

was she also at the matt appt's that night ?

lol...came to post the same thing and you beat me again!!! lol

 ::MonkeyCool::

Peter is very intelligent and he knows damn well he has a name to keep up ::MonkeyWink::

Yes, I agree!

Well if that's what it takes to find Natalee.....then so be it...

Whoa!!! 

I do not know if someone has already posted this . .

A judge ruled today that "Dr. Phil" can have access to documents about two brothers who were once suspected in the case of Natalee Holloway. The Alabama teenager vanished while on vacation in Aruba.

The documents were sought as part of the talk show's defense against the brothers who sued last year, claiming defamation, fraud and invasion of privacy.

Deepak and Satish Kalpoe claim the "Dr. Phil" show altered portions of a secretly recorded conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator. The Kalpoes claim the show was trying to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements" against them.

The suit contends the September 15th, 2005, episode of the show alleged the brothers gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had group sex with her.

http://friday27873.blogspot.com/2008/10/la-judge-dr-phil-can-get-documents.html

Thanks for ALL the good news, bastibro  ::MonkeyCool::

It's about time that Natalee's case got more attention.  It's been much too quiet and we don't want people to lose their focus on what happened.

Here, Here!!!

Ahhh, this is good news!  Thanks for the info! 

Thanks, dear!

Thanks for all the info Pita, Johan, and Bastibro!   ::MonkeyCool::

I've cast my vote, that's about all I can do....and pray!    ::MonkeyWink::

 


 hELLO MY MONKEY FRIENDS >  DONT KNOW IF YOUVE SEEN THIS IN TODAYS DIARIO'

TRANSLATION TO FOLLOW


Joran van der Sloot kier demanda Peter r de Vries......*Pero un biaha mas e ta hunga cu candela
Tuesday, 04 November 2008 00:00 Local


Headline JOran vander sloot wants to sue Peterde Vries. But one more tri[ and hes hung himself with fire.

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Nos coresponsal na Hulanda, Godfried Adem ta señala cu aparentemente Joran van der Sloot e unico sospechoso cu a keda den e affaire di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway na Aruba mes gusta di ta den publicidad. Dialuna a bira conoci cu e tin intencion di cuminza un caso civil contra e periodista investigativo Peter R. de Vries, pa asina haci un demanda.E demanda ta debi cu e y su abogado Bert De Rooij (na Hulanda) ta di opinion cu e planta di television Hulandes SBS y Peter R. De Vries lo a viola derecho di autor.

Orangestad:  Correspondaence from holland tells us that Godfried Adem is saying that the only apparent suspect Joran vander sloot that is left in the dissappearance of Natally Holloway in Aruba must like to be in the publics attention,  It was learned monday morning that he has intencions of bringing a civil case against the investigative reported Peter de Vries.  The demand will be filed by attorney Bert De Rooij from holland who is of the opinion that Joran was entraped by Holland SBS and Peter De Vries. Claim is also made that the rights of the author were violated.

Van der Sloot y su abogado ta opina cu e presentacion di e famoso grabacion cu a pasa na Februari di e aña aki unda Joran ta bisa cu el a laga dump cadaver di Natalee den laman na Aruba, lo ta kiebro den su derecho di autor.Si un hende gana placa of bira famoso cu expresionnan of declaracionnan di otro anto esaki lo por claim e persona encuestion.

Van der sloot and attorney are of the opinion that the famous filming in february in which Joran has said that he dumped the cadaver of Natalee HOlloway in the sea in aruba, has broken his rights as author. If a person gains money in becoming famius with that declaration of another before then the claim was of the person who said it. (not Jorans quote is what i think theyre trying to claim)

Esaki ta loke e abogado di Joran ta basa su mes ariba. E ta compara e caso di su cliente cu esun di e tapenan di Willem Endstra, di cual dos periodista di Het Parool a haya aceso y a skirbi un buki. Endstra a conta polisnan di CID over di mafia den Amsterdam, e.o. actividadnan di Willem Holleerder, despues di cual el a worde likida. Famianan kier a prohibi publicacion di e buki cu su declaracionnan aden.

This is the premise that jorans lawyer is going to use in the lawsuit.Hes comparing the case to William Endstra case in which writer Het Parool found and wrote a book on where Endstra told police of Cid about mafia in Amsterdam about activitys of william Hollelrder which he later recanted. The Family will try to prohibit publication of the book in which joran made that declaration.

Corte den prome instancia no bay di acuerdo ni corte superior tampoco no a honra e peticion di e famia. Sinembargo Hoge Raad na Mei ultimo a manda e caso back pa laga investiga mas mihor. Awor corte superior lo mester duna un veredicto den e caso aki, pero ainda un decision no a cay den e caso. Joran un ilustre mentiroso cu tin un problema cu su comportacion atrobe ta hala atencion y ta pone rond mundo recorda e caso di Natalee Holloway, cual na Aruba ya caba nan a lubida.

The court of first instance nor the supperior court will honor the families petition. However Hoge Raad na Mei sent the case back in order to investigate this more.  The superior court did not favor Joran and stated that he illustrates as a liar who has a problem with behavior and attracts attention worldwide in the case of Natalee Holoway, which aruba is finished with.

Peter R. de Vries a bisa di ta sinta warda e caso aki cu hopi interes.E ta di opinion cu abogado Bert De Rooij mas miho por mustra lamento loke Joran a haci cu Natalee Holloway

Peter De Vries told us he welcomes the case here with great interest.  PdV is of the opinion that attorney Rooij is better off showing the truth if what Joran has done to Natalee Holloway.

Den corte ta un bon lugar pa exigi mas for di Joran y pa e splica exactamente kico el a haci cu Natalle Holloway y pa su abogado tambe duna un splicacion, segun de Vries.
E edicion di Peter R. De Vries misdaad verslaggever a acapara mundo henter. Na Hulanda un cantidad di 7 miyon hende a mira esaki.

A courtroom is a very good place to get more info from Joran and then he can explain exactly what he did to Natalee HOlloway according to De vries.Devries would capture the attention of the whole world in addition to Holland somewhat 7 million people.

Na September ultimo de Vries a gana e premio maximo cu ta un Emmy award den categoria di Current Affairs.Den e caso aki ultimo un testigo nobo a meld su mes na Aruba y Merca unda el a duna un declaracion.Joran un tempo pasa a worde señala na Tailand, unda e lo ta biba actualmente y segun varios persona cu a mire e ta goza di bida.   

In sept Devries won a maxium praise and an Emmy award in the current affairs category by using a person to record and give a declaration to aruba and America about waht he die with NH.  Joran has been in tailandwhere he is living and enjoying the high life.

E lo mester tin tambe un coffee shop ilegal ta run, segun un amiga di dje na Hulanda.

Joran also has a illegal cofee shop per  a female friend that lives in Holland.

De Vries y su abogadonan na e momento aki ta studiando kico nan ta bay haci y nan quizas lo explora otro posibilidadnan pa traha un plan pa wak si ainda por logra castiga Joran penalmente, pa e crimen cu e l

De vries and his attorneys are looking to see what options they can follow and bring about a plan to castigate Joran legally for the crime which he has commited.  Looks like Joran has jumped into the fire this time.

best I could do   SL
 



   
   
   
   
   

   
   
   
   

  opps looks like it was already translated  Ill be lurking and trying to cach up on reading

Yes Thanks again and thank yousandy leiva as well.

That is so exciting that Dr. Phils attorneys will be able to get the documents they requested.
Sam

Why was the school bus driver called the next morning and told to pick up Joran at Lorenzo's house?

Better question...is that a rumor or is it fact?

I agree, this is very exciting news.  And thank you to the monkeys that bring information, help translating and keep the search for Natalee going.

Thanks, sandy!

And everyone who keeps bringing updates to discuss in this thread.

Hmmmmm.......he owns a coffeshop? I wonder how he got that job? I wonder who he gets his product from?

 ::cartwheel::   ::MonkeyDance::

I got the word, it will be all over the Internet soon.  I came here to get it from the source.  Gotta love the Internet and DeVries and posters like Bastibro and Johan and ............. so many great monkeys.  Go Peter! 
 :smt041

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Posted by: billy | Wednesday, July 27, 2005 at 06:46 AM

Lorenzo has a business partner, paul brough(Mr Pink), and they run stuff together....lorenzo also has a redlight distirct tour businees in Aruba that lets you pay $50 and get either incall or outcall prostitutes....Jurine may have advanced his business model a step or two by giving people an already prone rape victim. Paul Brough sees to be the brains behind all of Lorenzo's business ventures, and I'm sure he's a redwings fan, becase he is from Michigan. Once when running a google search on: mr pink aruba porn, the first thing that came up was the "Holiday Inn". It may be nothing, but it gave me a chill. It is said thay broughm does some film shooting at Lorenzo's raves. It is said that Steve Croes was an extra cameraman for Mr.Pink on several occasions. It is "rumored" that they make under-aged snuff videos on a commission basis, mostly with young latin girls. I really wold like to meet Lorenzo face to face and get a feel for all these rumors, Its hard to believe, but when you get it from an fbi file what can you argue?

paul brough(Mr Pink)- paul brough petclix
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Extra-long broadcast with new facts

It will be an extra long show indeed, De Vries will not say yet if there are other witnesses with statements. He does say he will come with facts unknown until now, from the Netherlands and Aruba.


 At the kick-off of the new TV season
Peter R. de Vries, Crime reporter, Sunday at half past
ten on SBS, will he be in an extra-long broadcast new facts
and developments on the case of Natalee Holloway publish. The
Vries still wanted non-disclosure or other witnesses to
statements. However he says with hitherto unknown facts from
From the Netherlands and Aruba to come.

Thanks Johah!
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/11/crime_reporter_brings_new_holl.php

New tv show on Holloway disappearance
Wednesday 05 November 2008

TV crime reporter Peter R de Vries has made a new tv programme about the disappearance of US teenager Natalee Holloway on Aruba and the role of Dutch student Joran van der Sloot, reports the Telegraaf.

A previous show, in which Van der Sloot was secretly recorded talking about the girl's death, won De Vries an Emmy award.

The follow-up show will be broadcast on Sunday

Jug is hinting this will be big!!

Very cool!

How in the heck are we going to be able to watch it? lol Will it have english subtitles?

Some new documents in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

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It might, I hope it does!  I imagine Jug and Beth can find out don't you think? 

sent an e-mail...waiting for a response. I'll let you know.

LDSTLOU - thanks!

More docs in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  Looks like they want to put John Charles Croes on the stand  ::MonkeyWink::


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my pleasure!

Thanks back atcha!!

Just starting to read these and it struck me right away that it is saying Croes talked to defendants both BEFORE AND AFTER NATALEE'S Dissappearance.
Anyone else wondering about that?

oops...PLAINTIFS!! lol freudian slip!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

No, I believe we already knew that.  Remember Deepak in as much told John Charles Croes he got sexual with Natalee.  Deepak chatted with John alot.

is that what they are talking about though? I would consider that night they spoke after her dissappearance, sounds like they are saying he knew them before Natalee dissappeared and knew their rep?

ok wait...am I getting confused? I thought this was Charles Croes...is this the e-mail guy?

You are confused.

There is:

1.  JOHN Charles CROES, friend of Deepak living in Florida at the time (this is the one we are talking about)

2.  And CHARLES CROES owner of the ArubaFastPhones that met with Beth and Jug to find Joran.

John Charles Croes is the guy Deepak emailed/chatted with.

Yep..Deepak was asked about John Charles Croes extensively in a couple of his PV's.

I think that Deepak told John Charles Croes that Natalee put her hand down his pants.
(I don't believe for one minute that she did)

Thank you......sure hope it is spectacular!

Thanks!! Still have those blonde moments..can you tell? lol

Due to computer records and time frames, it was speculated at one
time that Depak may have uploaded a movie of Natalee's rape to
John Charles Croes.  Klass will know more about that than I do.

Joran comes home that night  ?

Produced by: Pink Visual Productions
http://whois.domaintools.com/pinkvisual.com
Owned by Vista Distribution, Aruba
IP Location:  Netherlands Antilles - Curacao - Curacao -
 
Joran comes home that night...goes on his computer & checks out 3 sites:

BACKSEATBANGERS.com
20 SW 27th Ave.
Suite 201     
Pompano Beach FL 33069

Produced by:
PINK VISUALS.com


NASTY DOLLARS.com
705 Washington Ave.
Miami, FL

Registrant:
RK Netmedia, Inc.
444 Brickell Ave #1001
miami, FL 33131
US
http://whois.domaintools.com/nastydollars.com

ALL SITES ACCESS
705 Washington Ave.
Miami, FL
http://whois.domaintools.com/allsitesaccess.com

Bang Bros. Entertainment, Inc.   
444 BRICKELL AVENUE
SUITE 1001
MIAMI FL 33131

Thanks, ldstlou! 

Along with John Charles Croes there is Charles Croes and then Steve Croes the disc jockey.

Thanks IdStlouis for the info from Jug. I hope they do an English translation like they did before.
Sam

if not, my friend will get a copy and translate for us. We'll get it one way or another!!

You are so welcome. Good to be back in the cage!!

Here is another very interesting post from Viet Vet on SM


Comment 115, you are very correct Mortella, Beth and the first group from Alabama arrived on the Monday, I was with the second group and we arrived on Wednesday at about 11AM. We were told by van der Stratten to check and shake down leads at crack houses, along with many other worthless leads. This was to keep us busy and not have us in the way of the coverup. We were also warned to not go after the 3 witnesses (J2K) and try to get information from them. He(van der Stratten)was not in uniform but I could see his pistol was in his pocket. Dennis Jacobs met with us later that day and said the same thing, shake down crack houses and the people there but lay off J2K. He also had his pistol in plain view although not in uniform. He and van der Stratten both claimed to not knowing where Joran was.

When we found him the next day at the International School, the police started following us from then until we left the island. They knew very well what had happened to Natalee and only wanted to protect Joran and Paulus. The show of pistols was a warning from them that their intentions were to protect Joran. This is probably the reason the Dutch are bringing weapons, they know. Hindsight is 20/20, if all of us from Alabama had it to go over again, the case would have been solved the first week after Natalee went missing. Thanks monkeys, you have really been on this case. The more pressure, the more results. Great job. Justice will come and then maybe some peace for Beth and the whole family.

not knowing where Joran was???????

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/People%20of%20Intrest/JohnCharlesCroes.jpg)
CROES, John Charles   – was allegedly chatting online to Deepak on May 30, 2005 after Deepak claims he got home after dropping Natalee & Joran off. Interviewed by ALE on 4 occasions, 6-19-05, 6-21-05, 6-22-05 & 6-28-05.

Originally posted by: clevfan
Aruba cops think X may mark the spot

NY DAILY NEWS
AUG 5

Police are said to be investigating whether a porn filmmaker might have had a hand in the May disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba.
According to the latest scenario in the baffling case, someone may have been trying to talk the pretty 18-year-old honor student into appearing in an X-rated flick.

Aruba cops and the FBI are said to be looking to the porn world for leads.

Paul Barresi, a former adult-film producer who’s now a private eye, says he heard about the possible inquiry from “another ‘recruiter’ who scouts South America for porn talent.”

“Natalee would have been a perfect target - a naive girl from a small town,” Barresi tells us. “The recruiter might tell her he wanted her to pose for some modeling test shots.

“The cops want to know whether [anyone] gave her a date-rape drug like GHB. Only, apparently, the plan went awry. She died,” he theorizes, “and the porn guy may have had to get rid of her body.”

Barresi believes the recruiter is likely to be “someone who lives out of a suitcase.” The National Enquirer reports in its new issue that cops suspect he lives in Aruba.

The Enquirer’s Rebecca Mowling and Don Gentile also report that one witness claims he saw three men dumping a body in a landfill site.

Investigators in Aruba couldn’t be reached for comment yesterday.

http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:RtAk7rDb1LkJ:scaredmonkeys.com/2007/09/09/natalee-holloway-disappearance-back-by-popular-demand-paul-van-der-sloot-memory-lapses/+Depak+may+have+uploaded+a+movie+of+Natalee%27s+rape+to+John+Charles+Croes&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

Charles Croes: How Did He Know?

It was clear from the start, the Aruba Government, did not take Natalee’s disappearance seriously. Natalee’s family initially thought, she was being gang raped and passed among the drug houses on Aruba. By Beth’s own admission she thought this would be over in a few days and believed Natalee would come home alive. On a personal note, it was in the first days that I was almost certain Natalee was dead. No more, ever since mid-June, I have been convinced she will come home alive and as I type this, still think that she will. Although, it is clear Natalee’s family has abandon any thoughts of that.

So, with Natalee’s family thinking it would be resolved in a few days and the government playing with its thumbs. To a certain degree I think the delay is related to what I now term as “Aruba Grander Illusion Syndrome or AGIS.” It is best illustrated that by the denial of crime on the island, the callous attitude towards Natalee, her family and now Oduber’s statement that there is no poverty on Aruba. Clearly, Arubans do not exist in a state of reality, but that of a fantasy world.

Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:

Author: Charles (—.setardsl.aw)Date: 06-02-05 09:01There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.I wish all of us strength

charles

arubafastphones.com.com

Why did Charles think, by June 2, that there were far-reaching implications? Natalee’s family thought this would be over quickly and the government was screwing around, but not Charles. It seems Charles Croes was ahead of the game. Why? The answer is certainly not that he is a clairvoyant.Mr. Croes is also, famous for his lack of compassion and his down right sadistic demeanor towards Natalee and her family. As seen in the Vanity Fair interview, where he stated:

“They’re killing Aruba,” says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. “That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?”

Is it possible to even be more heartless? At least we know Charles, supports the boycott, because he wishes Natalee stayed home. If he wishes she stayed, all better, because we would not want to risk a repeat, would we Charles? Charles they are not killing Aruba. Aruba has committed suicide.

In the end the question remains, how did Charles Croes know this would not be, so simple?

Johan,  where did this come from?  Link?  (it's possible I have read it before, but where?)   ::MonkeyWink::

here is the link

 http://justrepublic.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/charles-croes-how-did-he-know/

his son there : ::MonkeyConfused::

Charles Croes is not the type of man to altruistically help Natalie Holloway, he is the kind of man who would stand on her dead body  

First off, Charles Croes is my biological father(I know his cruelty well)
-Moreover, he is a “famous liar” in circles that know him well. He thrives on any kind of perceived power or authority and will readily craft up ambiguous statements or manufacture situations which increase his influence. The sad part, is that although he excels in finding people to lead, he lacks the basic integrity to do them any good. I would say he lacks some very basic human elements as well. Compassion and honesty being only the tip of the iceberg.
In summary, one needs only poke around his shady and needfully obfuscated personal histories to understand that his comments are just hot air. Albeit super-heated at times.
In my opinion, Charles Croes is not the type of man to altruistically help Natalie Holloway, he is the kind of man who would stand on her dead body if the view was only slightly better.
Adam (ashamed of his last name) Croes

hai bastibro  spannend he zondag !!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can say I`m pretty exited Johan!
Peter woudnt broadcast without having found stunning new facts
Let`s all pray it`ll be a BIG step to justice for everyone involved.

Don`t you think Paulus is busy trying to prevent the show??

prevent the show ? i think they found a lot about Joran & Paulas and   their "network"

were is this swimmingpool in aruba ?? caps ?

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/swimmingpoolkopie.jpg)

Oh Wow!  How exciting!   ::MonkeyDance::

 I need to clean out the cobwebs in my brain, from being away from this case for awhile and involved in Caylee.  But both have been a huge part of my life, being on here for so long.   We know there will be justice here in the U.S.   But Aruba is another story, as we've seen for over 3 yrs!  It's time to pick up the push for justice in Aruba again.  We will NEVER forget or give up.  Maybe take a breather and recharge,  but damn it!  It is time for NATALEE!

God Bless Peter!  I can't wait to see this show and thanks LDSTLOU for sharing and the Dutch Monkeys who help SOOO much in this case!

O/T, but Ironic,  I just hit my 4000'th post in the Natalee thread and it's been months since being here.  I pray the answer comes for her BEFORE my 5000th!   ::MonkeyCool::

Johan - we don't know for sure.  Caps has told is that Paulass, DTKM, and Voking assisted Urine in disposing of Natalee's body.  This would have been at 4:05 when the witness saw Urine and his father.  Urine and the Alpoes were also seen by the Racquet Club prior to this.  Some of us feel that Urine and the Alpoes may have tried to put Natalee near the Racquet Club, but when they were seen they went to Paulass for help.  She could possibly have been taken to the Sloot house.  If the witness saw Paulass pick Urine up on the street by the pond and McDonalds at 4:05, it must have been Paulass who then took Urine to Lorenzo's house.  It was reported to Dave Holloway that the bus driver picked Urine up at 6:30 near Lorenzo's house.  There is also a reported cell phone call that was placed from the bus stop area to Steve Croes at about 6:30 AM.  I put together a detailed time line, but it is still just speculation.  It was based on reported evidence, but like everything else, I have no idea if this is definitely what happened.  A lot of the timeline is also based on statements from Urine and the Alpoes, so it might not be true.

Sunday, May 29th
Late Afternoon – Paulus and Joran are photographed by the security camera in the
Casino, sitting with Natalee and MB girls.
4:00-7:00 PM – Joran calls Jamie Carrasquilla to go out with him that
night. (Jamie 6/17)
After Dinner – MB girls went to the Excelsior Casino where they met Joran and an older 
man.  Joran helps Ruth McVeigh (Whatley 5/12).  Natalee reportedly sees Joran again near the poolside bar where they spoke about going to C&Cs.  The MB students went to C&Cs for their last vacation night.
7:00 PM - Natalee used her Holiday Inn card for the last time (Dave p.72)
11:00 PM - Paulus picks Joan up at McDonalds (Dave p.148)

Monday, May 30th
12:00 AM – Deepak and Satish pick Joran up at the Sloots. (Deepak 6/9) *Where
was Paulus – back at the casino?  Why didn’t he know that Joran left the house?
12:30 AM – Deepak, Satish, Urine arrive at C&Cs.
1:15 AM – Deepak, Joran, Satish leave C&Cs with Natalee (Hodges p. 185) *She was
probably starting to feel drug effects from something given to her from the bar.
1:30 AM – Joran, Satish, Deepak left C&Cs with drunken Natalee and went to another bar (David Kock). *Did they stop for more drugs or to tell others that they had the newest American victim?
1:40 AM – Joran, Deepak, and Satish with Natalee stop in front of the
Sloot house. (Joran 6/14)  *She was probably drugged by this point and Joran stopped to get something or pick someone up – maybe Freddy?

*From about 1:40 until 2:15 Natalee was reportedly taken to the Matty Apts.
Where a waiting group of party-goers were gambling and filming a porn video.
This was not the first time that a video party like this had been arranged with tourist victims.  There was a confrontation with the 5th suspect and someone
Natalee knew from earlier in the week.  Natalee died from severe injuries or a drug overdose.
 
1:50 AM - Joran reports that Deepak and Satish drop Natalee and him at the beach
(Joran 6/14). *Probably false,  They didn’t build sancastles.
2:30 AM - Gardener sees Joran, Deepak, Satish near the Racquet Club (Dave p.103).
*They were probably looking for a place to hide Natalee.

 *At this point, Joran was most likely very frightened because they had been
seen.  They could have taken Natalee to the Sloot home for Paulus to help them.  Paulus
called Voking and DTKM for help.  The adults cleaned Natalee of any DNA.    Val saw an injured woman in the bathtub that had been hit with a baseball bat.  The Kalpoes were sent home to clean the car and set up an Internet alibi.  The other Party-goers were instructed to use the 5th suspect’s house party as an alibi -Lorenzo?  DTKM drove Urine and Natalee back to the pond in his black SUV to dump Natalee’s body.  Paulus followed shortly to pick Urine up and they were seen by the witness.  Paulus must have taken Joran to Lorenzo’s for the alibi story, because Dave was told by the bus driver that Joran was picked up for school near Lorenzo’s house.

3:00 AM - Nadira Ramirez says the boys came home (Dave p.104)  They were sent 
home by Voking and DTKM.  They were reportedly seen by the neighbor cleaning the car. *Probably false because the gardener sees all three near the Racquet Club at 3:00 AM.
3:00 AM – Gardener sees Deepak, Satish, Joran in the field behind the Racquet
Club (Dave p.153).
3:00 AM – Jogger sees three men in the area of the Racquet Club (Dave p.76)
3:30 AM - Joran says Deepak picked him up at Fisherman’s huts (Joran 7/14).*Probably false and maybe an excuse to cover why they had been in the area.
4:00 AM - Paulass picks Joan up near McDonalds (Dave p.102)  Reportedly seen by MB
students.  *Paulus probably took Joran to Lorenzo’s house.
4:05 AM - Witness sees Joran walking and Paulus picking him up in a red jeep.
6:30 AM  - Cell or text message to Steve Croes from Sloot phone in Santa Lucia area.
6:30 AM – Paulus on computer researching drugs/alcohol (Hodges p. 186)
6:45 AM - Joran gets bus near Lorenzo’s house.  Bus driver tells Dave the location
where he was picked up.
8:00 AM - Joran reports that he is in school. The headmaster confirms that Joran was in school, moved cabinets, and went to the medical center (Wardlaw 6/30) *Joran was probably told to be in school as per his van der Eem confession.
8:00 AM - Paulus reports that he went to work (Paulus – 6/18).
10:00 AM – Paulus goes to bank, but doesn’t get money because of crowd (Paulus 6/23)
12:00 PM - Satish reports that he woke up. (Satish 6/13)
2:45 PM  - Joran reports that he came home from school.
3:00 – 3:30 PM – Paulus goes to bank again (Paulus 6/23)
3:30 PM - Deepak reports that Satish drove him to work (Deepak 6/13)
4:00 PM - Joran gets home from school and calls Deepak (Joran 6/14)
Afternoon – Joran goes to Freddy’s house (Freddy 6/12)   
4:30 PM - Paulus reports that he went home (Paulus 6/18)
5:00 PM - Joran says Paulus dropped him at the Racquet Club for a tennis lesson. (Joran
6/14)  *Proved false by Art Wood
5:00 PM - Paulus drops Joran at Racquet Club (Paulus 6/18)
6:00 PM – Paulus changes his drop off story and claims to have eaten dinner with
Val and Sebastian (Paulus 6/23)
6:00 PM - Deepak calls Joran with Guido at the Wyndham (Deepak 6/11)
7:00 PM – 2:00 AM – Joran and Guido are together (John Q. Kelly)
7:15 PM - Joran reports that he left his gym bag at the club and went to the Wyndham.
He also changed his story and admitted that he didn’t have a tennis lesson (Joran 6/14)
8:00 PM - Paulus reports that he took the gym back to the Racquet Club. (Paulus 6/25). Joran is supposedly walking to the Wyndham. *Probably false because Joran is at the Aruba Grand at 7:45)

*According to the van der Eem confession, Joran had been told to go to school and be seen at the casinos the next night as if nothing had happened.

8:00 PM - Joran reported that he left for the Wyndham (Joran 6/13).  *Probably
false because he was already at the Aruba Grand.
8:34 PM - Paulus is on the Internet looking up drugs/alcohol   
8:45 PM - Joran loses his money in the tournament (Joran 6/14)
10:00 PM - MB students are back in Birmingham and describe the Dutch soccer
player (Dave p.7)
10:30 PM - Joran and Guido walk around the casino and play Blackjack for
about 45 minutes (Joran 6/14)
10:30 PM – *Joran was probably notified of Beth’s pending arrival (Klaas 10/24/07).

*When Paulus, Voking, and DTKM learned that Beth arrived it was necessary to take Joran, Deepak, and Satish out of the house party alibi.  The beach story was created.  Errors in the beach story were made at first because the three had not had enough time to refine the story.

11:00 PM – Paulus went to bed (Paulus 6/23).  *Why did he go to bed when he knew
Joran was still not home?
11:00 PM – Deepak called Joran at the Radisson (Deepak 6/11) *Probably false
because Joran was still at the Wyndham.
11:00 PM – Satish picked Deepak up at work and went home.  Deepak told him that Joran was at the casinos (Satish 6/10 and 6/11).
11:10 PM - Deepak claims Satish picked him up at work.  He then went home and to the
Radisson to watch Joran in a pocker tournament. Joran was drunk and Deepak stayed for about two hours (Deepak 6/13)
11:15 PM – Joran arrived at the Radisson with Guido (Joran 6/14)
11:35 PM – Deepak reported that he drove to the Radisson (Deepak 6/13)

Tuesday, May 31st
1:00 AM – Joran says Deepak arrived at the Radisson.  He was with Andre (Joran 6/14)
*Probably false because Deepak says he went to the Radisson at 11:35.  Where were they for an hour and a half?  Is this when DTKM, Voking, and Paulus created the beach story because they knew Beth was on the way?
2:00 AM – Jorans reported that he stopped playing poker (Joran 6/14).
2:30  AM – Deepak and Joran leave the Radisson (Joran 6/14).   
2:30 AM - Joran reported that Paulus called him at the Wyndham parking lot
because Beth had arrived (Joran 6/14)
2:30 AM – Deepak’s car is reported at the Sloot residence (Klaas 10/24/07).
2:40 AM - Deepak says he and Joran arrived at the Sloots because Paulus had called
them (Deepak 7/13)

*Beth did not arrive at the Sloot home until 3:30.  The Sloots were tipped off about her arrival on Aruba.

2:50 AM – Beth talks to the police prior to going to the Sloots (McGraw documents)
3:30 AM - Beth arrived at the Sloot home with Charles Croes.
8:00 AM – Beth arrived at the Bulbai Police Station and saw Deepak’s car
parked in the rear (Beth p. 58) *Was it being sanitized?


June 2nd or 3rd

Man sees someone with Natalee at the landfill.

Johan

The picture above is NOT the same Charles Croes that stated the things you posted.  The ArubaFastPhones Charles Croes is older and gray haired.  I have a picture somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.

Peter has been saying for a long time now that he is going to expose Paulass.  I hope this new episode will accomplish this.  I wonder if it will include information about Manserat Pond and the witness.  Caps knows what is going on, but where is he?  I am wondering if Jossy held off from publishing Parts 3, 4, and 5 in Diario because Peter will be providing the information in his new episode.  Caps, where are you?  We need some information.

When this program is shown in the Netherlands, what time will it be for us here in the US?  Will the Dutch posters please, please tell us what is happening as the program airs?  I do hope that Peter's new program is aired in the US like the other one was.

Texasmom, I hope you don't mind me helping you out.  Here's a picture I had of Charles Croes.

(http://visitarubaplus.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/airp003.jpg)