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Title: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 23, 2008, 10:26:36 AM
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x166/Nut44x4/CAYLEE/nitecaylee.jpg)



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 05:16:01 PM
REPOST:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17789226/detail.html

 
Nov. 8 Search Planned For Caylee, Kesse
Up To 4,000 Volunteer Searchers Expected


POSTED: 3:47 pm EDT October 23, 2008
UPDATED: 4:43 pm EDT October 23, 2008


WINTER PARK, Fla. -- The latest search effort planned for Caylee Anthony is generating a lot of interest.

An Orlando private investigator who has volunteered to head up the effort to recruit team leaders said he has received over 400 calls since just 5 p.m. Wednesday.

"We're looking for someone with law enforcement background, fire service background, department of corrections -- public service background essentially," said James Copenhaver, private investigator. "Those folks have had some training in the past that they can bring to the table to help us."

The search is being headed up by Equusearch, the same group based in Texas that searched for Caylee in September. The group's leader, Tim Miller, plans to return to Orlando on Nov. 7 to train team leaders. On Nov. 8, the group hopes to send as many as 3,000 or 4,000 volunteer searchers out to look for both Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse -- a Central Florida woman who has been missing since January 2006.

Equusearch is still looking for a search headquarters and determining the exact areas that will be searched. Both the sherriff's office and the FBI are on board with their efforts.

People who are interested in volunteering with Equusearch in the upcoming search for Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse on Nov. 8 call Equusearch at 877-270-9500 or go to their website at www.texasequusearch.org. If you are retired law enforcement, military personnel, or have a background in fire or rescue and would like to serve as a team leader, please contact James Copenhaver at 407-897-1184.


FYI - on the right hand side of the link above there are alot of Document, Audio and Image files in the case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 23, 2008, 05:19:47 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 05:21:16 PM
Dang!!  Lost my hat!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on October 23, 2008, 05:21:43 PM
Love the new cage!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

JusticeO - If the mods don't find it off topic, can you post what Casey's astrology says for the dates of interest! 
Klaas or Muffy - send justiceO my email - I wanna reading!



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 23, 2008, 05:22:39 PM
I was all ready to lock and  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: ferret on October 23, 2008, 05:23:47 PM
I hope Destiny comes back.  I enjoyed reading her posts.  Also, I wish I knew what Lee was up to these days.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 05:24:16 PM
Love the new cage!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

JusticeO - If the mods don't find it off topic, can you post what Casey's astrology says for the dates of interest! 
Klaas or Muffy - send justiceO my email - I wanna reading!



Casey's astrology is NOT off topic so it's fine if it's reposted.

I am the only one (Admin) that can see your email address to send it to JusticeO...the other moderators cannot.  I'll send Justice0 your email addy.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 23, 2008, 05:24:22 PM
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   Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
« Reply #1980 on: Today at 04:19:07 PM » 

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Quote from: Rob on Today at 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: Blonde on Today at 04:08:21 PM



GRUND: Yes, he did. He went to the police academy and was with the Orlando Police Department for a brief period of time and then came to the mutual conclusion that maybe being a police officer...
GRACE: Was not for him.

GRUND: ... was not for him
NANCY GRACE

Father of Casey Anthony`s Ex-Fiance Speaks Out

Aired September 22, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html
{{edit to add better link}}
aroobagoogle translation   

Police : son, we think you're a nice kid, but you're not cut out to be a cop based on what we observed and the results of the psyche test.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


that's what I thought as well....mutual conclusion ::MonkeyWink::
 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 23, 2008, 05:29:29 PM
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   Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
« Reply #1980 on: Today at 04:19:07 PM » 

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Quote from: Rob on Today at 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: Blonde on Today at 04:08:21 PM



GRUND: Yes, he did. He went to the police academy and was with the Orlando Police Department for a brief period of time and then came to the mutual conclusion that maybe being a police officer...
GRACE: Was not for him.

GRUND: ... was not for him
NANCY GRACE

Father of Casey Anthony`s Ex-Fiance Speaks Out

Aired September 22, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html
{{edit to add better link}}
aroobagoogle translation   

Police : son, we think you're a nice kid, but you're not cut out to be a cop based on what we observed and the results of the psyche test.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


that's what I thought as well....mutual conclusion ::MonkeyWink::
 
I never saw this part

Police : son, we think you're a nice kid, but you're not cut out to be a cop based on what we observed and the results of the psyche test. where did that come from?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 23, 2008, 05:29:49 PM
That's SO awesome they're expecting that many volunteers!! Does this number include LP and his friends?  I'm sure he's going to round up a bunch of people.

It sucks being so far away from there..   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 05:31:06 PM
Blonde - if I had to guess that's Rob's translation  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 23, 2008, 05:31:07 PM
While listening to a local Orlando radio station, I just heard that the Today Show has announced that the Anthonys were not paid for their actual interview but they were paid for the photos they use during an interview...i.e. photos of KC and Caylee.  Station didn't say what the amount they were paid was.  I didn't see the interview.  Were photos shown???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 05:31:35 PM
Klaas, would posting a link to a funny Nancy Grace SNL skit be too far off topic?   When she starts really driving me nuts, watching one of these always helps me tolerate her for a little longer, so I thought I'd share it.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 23, 2008, 05:34:17 PM
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   Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
« Reply #1980 on: Today at 04:19:07 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: Rob on Today at 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: Blonde on Today at 04:08:21 PM



GRUND: Yes, he did. He went to the police academy and was with the Orlando Police Department for a brief period of time and then came to the mutual conclusion that maybe being a police officer...
GRACE: Was not for him.

GRUND: ... was not for him
NANCY GRACE

Father of Casey Anthony`s Ex-Fiance Speaks Out

Aired September 22, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html
{{edit to add better link}}
aroobagoogle translation   

Police : son, we think you're a nice kid, but you're not cut out to be a cop based on what we observed and the results of the psyche test.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


that's what I thought as well....mutual conclusion ::MonkeyWink::
 
I never saw this part

Police : son, we think you're a nice kid, but you're not cut out to be a cop based on what we observed and the results of the psyche test. where did that come from?

that was Rob's aroobagoogle translation  of mutual conclusion ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 05:35:00 PM
While listening to a local Orlando radio station, I just heard that the Today Show has announced that the Anthonys were not paid for their actual interview but they were paid for the photos they use during an interview...i.e. photos of KC and Caylee.  Station didn't say what the amount they were paid was.  I didn't see the interview.  Were photos shown???

Some pics yes.  Here's the interview, click on the picture:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/th_0AF86D0C_tdy_vieira_anthony_081022.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/?action=view&current=0AF86D0C_tdy_vieira_anthony_081022.flv)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 23, 2008, 05:35:52 PM
REPOST:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17789226/detail.html

 
Nov. 8 Search Planned For Caylee, Kesse
Up To 4,000 Volunteer Searchers Expected


POSTED: 3:47 pm EDT October 23, 2008
UPDATED: 4:43 pm EDT October 23, 2008


WINTER PARK, Fla. -- The latest search effort planned for Caylee Anthony is generating a lot of interest.

An Orlando private investigator who has volunteered to head up the effort to recruit team leaders said he has received over 400 calls since just 5 p.m. Wednesday.

"We're looking for someone with law enforcement background, fire service background, department of corrections -- public service background essentially," said James Copenhaver, private investigator. "Those folks have had some training in the past that they can bring to the table to help us."

The search is being headed up by Equusearch, the same group based in Texas that searched for Caylee in September. The group's leader, Tim Miller, plans to return to Orlando on Nov. 7 to train team leaders. On Nov. 8, the group hopes to send as many as 3,000 or 4,000 volunteer searchers out to look for both Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse -- a Central Florida woman who has been missing since January 2006.

Equusearch is still looking for a search headquarters and determining the exact areas that will be searched. Both the sherriff's office and the FBI are on board with their efforts.

People who are interested in volunteering with Equusearch in the upcoming search for Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse on Nov. 8 call Equusearch at 877-270-9500 or go to their website at www.texasequusearch.org. If you are retired law enforcement, military personnel, or have a background in fire or rescue and would like to serve as a team leader, please contact James Copenhaver at 407-897-1184.


FYI - on the right hand side of the link above there are alot of Document, Audio and Image files in the case.

WOW!!  If Caylee is recoverable I think she will be found!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 05:36:12 PM
Klaas, would posting a link to a funny Nancy Grace SNL skit be too far off topic?   When she starts really driving me nuts, watching one of these always helps me tolerate her for a little longer, so I thought I'd share it.



It's on the border but I'd say it's OK.  NG is part of all cases generally  ::MonkeyWink::  Go ahead and post it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 05:38:09 PM
Klaas, would posting a link to a funny Nancy Grace SNL skit be too far off topic?   When she starts really driving me nuts, watching one of these always helps me tolerate her for a little longer, so I thought I'd share it.



It's on the border but I'd say it's OK.  NG is part of all cases generally  ::MonkeyWink::  Go ahead and post it.

YAY!!  This one is actually nowhere near the funniest one SNL has done, but it's the only one I can find since NBC yanked them all from YouTube and several other sites.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/1463/saturday-night-live-nancy-grace (http://www.hulu.com/watch/1463/saturday-night-live-nancy-grace)

http://video.tvguide.com/playvideo.ashx?id=440824


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 05:38:55 PM
ATTENTION:   TONIGHT ON DANA PRETZER

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/Pretzer102308.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 23, 2008, 05:39:34 PM
“I know my daughter. There is nothing in this world that could make me believe that Casey did anything to Caylee. There has never been any child neglect, child abuse or anything. This young lady loves her child, more than I love Casey.”

This statement really gets me!!! How can any mother say such a thing???  Yes...my son loves his children...but not any more than I love him!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: oldfart on October 23, 2008, 05:43:12 PM
While listening to a local Orlando radio station, I just heard that the Today Show has announced that the Anthonys were not paid for their actual interview but they were paid for the photos they use during an interview...i.e. photos of KC and Caylee.  Station didn't say what the amount they were paid was.  I didn't see the interview.  Were photos shown???
Hmm   does that mean the check was made out to Casey  for pics of her and Caylee :2thinky:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TOY on October 23, 2008, 05:44:21 PM
Well, I tried to bring a post from the old cage but couldn't.  It was written in jest but still sparked some "what ifs" in my mind.

It started with someone's comment about George saying it wasn't his granddaughter in the trunk.  Then in jest someone mentioned the Anthony's own body farm.

Here are my questions:  If Casey really did have a miscarriage, would there be a record of it or could nurse-mom Cindy take care of it at home?  If there was a miscarriage (say at home), are there any restrictions or guidelines for disposal?  At what age before birth can sex be determined?

As picky as George is about his yard, the "dent" has always seemed strange to me.  He seems like the sort who would have filled in a "dent" so that the yard would look manicured.

If Casey did miscarry, if it was a boy, if there are no laws restricting disposal, is it possible?  Wouldn't the DNA from the fluids be quite similar to Caylee's?

At this point, almost anything is possible and sometimes "truth is stranger than fiction."

Another thing I found hard to reconcile was the report of Caylee being so distraught that she missed about an hour and a half of the party.  This does not sound like the party girl we've heard about.  Also, having an emotional "outburst" really doesn't sound like the cool, calm, and collected Casey. 

Off the wall?  Oh yes, but I was bored with housework...lol

This post is 99% "no way" with just a bit of "I wonder" thrown in. However, I wouldn't place any bets on it...lol



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 23, 2008, 05:44:39 PM
SunnyinTX wrote:
"I am right with you Taters!!! "

So if we have to eat crow,it's one for all and all for one,correct?

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/gifs5/AddEmoticons12693.gif)




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 05:45:55 PM
http://video.tvguide.com/playvideo.ashx?id=440824 (http://video.tvguide.com/playvideo.ashx?id=440824)

Klaas, would you mind adding this link to that last post in which I put the first SNL Nancy Grace skit?   This one's even funnier.

Thank you.  No more O/T outta me, I promise.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cajun miracle on October 23, 2008, 05:50:42 PM
Could someone be so kind as to give me Destiny's email? If you can't post it, then Klaas has my email. Thanks and have a great one.

Cajun Miracle


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KnayKnay on October 23, 2008, 05:51:40 PM
Hello!

Remember last week I was telling you that I was working on getting a Bill passed and wanted to call it the Caylee Anthony bill? Well, some people here responded to me and I totally got sidetracked. I want to take all of you up on your offers to help. Klaas - how should I proceed with this? Don't want to cause any undue work and still move forward at the same time.

This bill (idea) will totally prevent us from having this type of situation happen ever again. Please don't discount my abilities as I am probably one of the most ambitious, hard working, and passionate person you've met!

Please unite with me - I cannot do this alone.

Thank you so much!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 05:53:14 PM
Could someone be so kind as to give me Destiny's email? If you can't post it, then Klaas has my email. Thanks and have a great one.

Cajun Miracle

Cajun - I can't simply give out Destiny's email address to people.  Sorry, it's just not propper.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 23, 2008, 05:54:27 PM
Could someone be so kind as to give me Destiny's email? If you can't post it, then Klaas has my email. Thanks and have a great one.

Cajun Miracle

Cajun - I can't simply give out Destiny's email address to people.  Sorry, it's just not propper.

Is it still in the thread/section about her aunt? or has it been removed already?


Dana- tonight's line-up sounds great! Can't wait to hear what Mark Williams has to say.  I wonder how he enjoys getting razzed by NG on a nightly basis. :P


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 05:57:10 PM
Hello!

Remember last week I was telling you that I was working on getting a Bill passed and wanted to call it the Caylee Anthony bill? Well, some people here responded to me and I totally got sidetracked. I want to take all of you up on your offers to help. Klaas - how should I proceed with this? Don't want to cause any undue work and still move forward at the same time.

This bill (idea) will totally prevent us from having this type of situation happen ever again. Please don't discount my abilities as I am probably one of the most ambitious, hard working, and passionate person you've met!

Please unite with me - I cannot do this alone.

Thank you so much!

KnayKnay - here's what I suggest. 

#1  I'll set up a thread here in the Caylee Anthony forum for the bill you want to get passed
#2  You need to create a hotmail email address just for this purpose.  You can create one with the first name KnayKnay and last name ScaredMonkey.  Then in the future you can delete the email account if you no longer need it and you won't "muck up" your private email account with forum/Caylee stuff.  You have post your email and others can email you or you can simply work stuff out in posts in the forum.


I'll create a thread right now.

Here is the link to the thread I just created:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3815.0




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 23, 2008, 06:05:27 PM
SunnyinTX wrote:
"I am right with you Taters!!! "

So if we have to eat crow,it's one for all and all for one,correct?

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/gifs5/AddEmoticons12693.gif)

yep and I'll bring the hot sauce for that crow!! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KnayKnay on October 23, 2008, 06:06:12 PM
Thanks Klaas - got an email - posted in other thread. We're on our way!

Hope you join us.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 23, 2008, 06:10:41 PM
Hello!

Remember last week I was telling you that I was working on getting a Bill passed and wanted to call it the Caylee Anthony bill? Well, some people here responded to me and I totally got sidetracked. I want to take all of you up on your offers to help. Klaas - how should I proceed with this? Don't want to cause any undue work and still move forward at the same time.

This bill (idea) will totally prevent us from having this type of situation happen ever again. Please don't discount my abilities as I am probably one of the most ambitious, hard working, and passionate person you've met!

Please unite with me - I cannot do this alone.

Thank you so much!
Quote
Quote from: pink angel on October 13, 2008, 04:49:39 PM
I think we should work at getting a Caylee's Law on the books.

If your child is under the age of 12, it should be illegal to wait longer than a few hours hours to report to LE that your child is missing.

You would report a baby missing sooner than a teenager, so the hours would have to be worked out when making Caylee's law... but no parent should get away with not reporting a missing child longer than a day in my book.

I am with ya gal pal!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KnayKnay on October 23, 2008, 06:11:26 PM
Klaas - please fix the other thread? I am out of it today - the REAL email addy should be knayknaysm@live.com


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 23, 2008, 06:13:09 PM
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   Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
« Reply #1980 on: Today at 04:19:07 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: Rob on Today at 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: Blonde on Today at 04:08:21 PM



GRUND: Yes, he did. He went to the police academy and was with the Orlando Police Department for a brief period of time and then came to the mutual conclusion that maybe being a police officer...
GRACE: Was not for him.

GRUND: ... was not for him
NANCY GRACE

Father of Casey Anthony`s Ex-Fiance Speaks Out

Aired September 22, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html
{{edit to add better link}}
aroobagoogle translation   

Police : son, we think you're a nice kid, but you're not cut out to be a cop based on what we observed and the results of the psyche test.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


that's what I thought as well....mutual conclusion ::MonkeyWink::
 
I never saw this part

Police : son, we think you're a nice kid, but you're not cut out to be a cop based on what we observed and the results of the psyche test. where did that come from?

Then he NEVER made it past the Police Academy. In other words....he washed out of the academy.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MisterMichaelJ on October 23, 2008, 06:13:57 PM
Could someone be so kind as to give me Destiny's email? If you can't post it, then Klaas has my email. Thanks and have a great one.

Cajun Miracle

Cajun - I can't simply give out Destiny's email address to people.  Sorry, it's just not propper.

Is it still in the thread/section about her aunt? or has it been removed already?


Dana- tonight's line-up sounds great! Can't wait to hear what Mark Williams has to say.  I wonder how he enjoys getting razzed by NG on a nightly basis. :P

Anothermonkey, how can I send you a private message, etc.?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 06:18:07 PM
Could someone be so kind as to give me Destiny's email? If you can't post it, then Klaas has my email. Thanks and have a great one.

Cajun Miracle

Cajun  - her email address is on page 4 of her thread in the Monkey Lounge.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 06:18:57 PM
ATTENTION:   TONIGHT ON DANA PRETZER

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/Pretzer102308.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 23, 2008, 06:26:33 PM
Well, I tried to bring a post from the old cage but couldn't.  It was written in jest but still sparked some "what ifs" in my mind.

It started with someone's comment about George saying it wasn't his granddaughter in the trunk.  Then in jest someone mentioned the Anthony's own body farm.

Here are my questions:  If Casey really did have a miscarriage, would there be a record of it or could nurse-mom Cindy take care of it at home?  If there was a miscarriage (say at home), are there any restrictions or guidelines for disposal?  At what age before birth can sex be determined?

As picky as George is about his yard, the "dent" has always seemed strange to me.  He seems like the sort who would have filled in a "dent" so that the yard would look manicured.

If Casey did miscarry, if it was a boy, if there are no laws restricting disposal, is it possible?  Wouldn't the DNA from the fluids be quite similar to Caylee's?

At this point, almost anything is possible and sometimes "truth is stranger than fiction."

Another thing I found hard to reconcile was the report of Caylee being so distraught that she missed about an hour and a half of the party.  This does not sound like the party girl we've heard about.  Also, having an emotional "outburst" really doesn't sound like the cool, calm, and collected Casey. 

Off the wall?  Oh yes, but I was bored with housework...lol

This post is 99% "no way" with just a bit of "I wonder" thrown in. However, I wouldn't place any bets on it...lol



You're not alone- I too have reached FAR and WIDE in my brain for some kind of explanation- and have thought about the possibility of a miscarriage- possibly stored in a freezer until it could be decided by the family what to do with the fetus, possibly it happening in the yard, then they transported in the trunk. etc etc etc... but I know in my heart they are absurdities and think the only reason I speculate about things like that is because I can't deal with the horrific outcome that the evidence implies. I love my son more than anything in this whole world- and cherish him and I will never be able to understand why some parents purposefully endanger, neglect and kill their children.

P.S. the answer to your question about determining sex of a child- I know that through ultrasound it is usually between 16-20 weeks but have heard as early as 12 weeks w/sophisticated equipment- not sure of what it would be if actually viewing the baby with the naked eye


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 23, 2008, 06:32:09 PM
Could someone be so kind as to give me Destiny's email? If you can't post it, then Klaas has my email. Thanks and have a great one.

Cajun Miracle

Cajun - I can't simply give out Destiny's email address to people.  Sorry, it's just not propper.

Is it still in the thread/section about her aunt? or has it been removed already?


Dana- tonight's line-up sounds great! Can't wait to hear what Mark Williams has to say.  I wonder how he enjoys getting razzed by NG on a nightly basis. :P

Anothermonkey, how can I send you a private message, etc.?

I have a "spam" account I recently opened..  sylviecat1 @  gmail   ;)  I'll be sure to check it for a message.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KnayKnay on October 23, 2008, 06:41:47 PM
Klaas - Have I told you lately that you do a TERRIFIC job? Thank you so much.

You have nanners!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 06:42:43 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 06:44:12 PM
Klaas - Have I told you lately that you do a TERRIFIC job? Thank you so much.

You have nanners!  ::MonkeyTongue::

If you are telling me I have mail, I don't  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Thanks!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 23, 2008, 06:47:11 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)

WHAT?! 

Um, that's the best evidence there is!!  I would seriously flip out if the judge went for this  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

There is no Caylee. She's still missing, and no longer alive. We have DNA evidence suggesting it was her in the trunk. NOT another body.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 23, 2008, 06:48:23 PM
SunnyinTX wrote:
"I am right with you Taters!!! "

So if we have to eat crow,it's one for all and all for one,correct?

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/gifs5/AddEmoticons12693.gif)

yep and I'll bring the hot sauce for that crow!! ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/85.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 06:49:37 PM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7707521&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Anthony declines placing commissary order  
 
Last Edited: Thursday, 23 Oct 2008, 12:27 PM EDT 
Created: Thursday, 23 Oct 2008, 11:35 AM EDT 


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) --A spokesperson from the Orange County Corrections Department said Casey Anthony did not place a commissary order Wednesday evening, and has missed out on her chance to until next week.

Casey currently has $251.26 in her inmate account. The money has been deposited by her father, a bail bonds group and two other persons whose relationships to Casey, if any, are unknown. She was allowed to place an order for up to $70 worth of items. It is not clear why she turned down her opportunity.

The items she can purchase include shampoo, underwear, shoes, a bible, batteries and assorted candies.


Click here to see items Casey Anthony can purchase:
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/documents/Commisary%20items.pdf


Casey’s defense attorney’s Jose Luis Garcia and Jose Baez both visited her at the jail Wednesday evening. They had overlapping visits and spent about one hour with her.

Her family has not scheduled any video visitations at this time.

Casey remains jailed on the following charges: first degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child, and four counts of obstructing a criminal investigation and giving false information to law enforcement.

The charges are all related to the disappearance of her little girl, 3-year-old Caylee Marie, who has not been seen since June.
 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 23, 2008, 06:50:43 PM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 23, 2008, 06:53:23 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)

WHAT?! 

Um, that's the best evidence there is!!  I would seriously flip out if the judge went for this  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

There is no Caylee. She's still missing, and no longer alive. We have DNA evidence suggesting it was her in the trunk. NOT another body.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm not too worried- how will he explain that his client told at least a couple people that her car smelled long before it ended up at Amscot!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 06:53:42 PM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Maybe she thinks she will be going home soon.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 23, 2008, 06:54:12 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/gifs5/AddEmoticons126162.gif) What an Igmo!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 06:56:25 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)

WHAT?! 

Um, that's the best evidence there is!!  I would seriously flip out if the judge went for this  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

There is no Caylee. She's still missing, and no longer alive. We have DNA evidence suggesting it was her in the trunk. NOT another body.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm not too worried- how will he explain that his client told at least a couple people that her car smelled long before it ended up at Amscot!


That is pretty standard for a defense attorney to try to get the evidence thrown out...I would expect that to happen...At my friends daughter's murder trial, we would at first get upset when they would try to get evidence such as DNA etc. thrown out, and the prosecutor and the Victims Advocate told us that it is pretty much expected to happen...what else can they do with it? I don't see it happening BTW


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Treehouse on October 23, 2008, 06:56:40 PM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Maybe she thinks she will be going home soon.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Nah. I'll bet right now she's ticked at Dos Jose...they showed up when she was supposed to be placing her order. Bet she'll have a few choice words for them on their next visit.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 23, 2008, 06:56:41 PM
Here is a list of Items Casey can buy.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3222.200


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 06:57:24 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)


Thanks Klaas.

Probably on some technicality.

  ::MonkeyNoNo::

In the Jonbenet Ramsey case the district attorney was walking on egg shells.  The legal eagle defence attorneys referred to as Team Ramsey had the ability to paralyze the investigation.  The district attorney knew that the high profile defence team with their personal, professional and judicial connections were watching their ever move from a legal perspective and ... one wrong move could result in a lawsuit.

Janet
______

THE JONBENET RAMSEY CASE

STEVE THOMAS - FORMER LEAD DETECTIVE

Steve Thomas Resignation Letter
August 6, 1998


I was repeatedly reminded by some in the district attorney's office just how powerful and talented and resourceful particular defense attorneys were. How could decisions be made this way?

http://www.forstevethomas.com/resignation.htm


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 06:59:02 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)

WHAT?! 

Um, that's the best evidence there is!!  I would seriously flip out if the judge went for this  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

There is no Caylee. She's still missing, and no longer alive. We have DNA evidence suggesting it was her in the trunk. NOT another body.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm not too worried- how will he explain that his client told at least a couple people that her car smelled long before it ended up at Amscot!


That is pretty standard for a defense attorney to try to get the evidence thrown out...I would expect that to happen...At my friends daughter's murder trial, we would at first get upset when they would try to get evidence such as DNA etc. thrown out, and the prosecutor and the Victims Advocate told us that it is pretty much expected to happen...what else can they do with it? I don't see it happening BTW

Hi cubbeegirl

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 07:00:53 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)

Yeah, and good luck with that one, dumbass!  (Baez, not you, Klaas!!)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 07:02:11 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)

WHAT?! 

Um, that's the best evidence there is!!  I would seriously flip out if the judge went for this  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

There is no Caylee. She's still missing, and no longer alive. We have DNA evidence suggesting it was her in the trunk. NOT another body.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm not too worried- how will he explain that his client told at least a couple people that her car smelled long before it ended up at Amscot!


That is pretty standard for a defense attorney to try to get the evidence thrown out...I would expect that to happen...At my friends daughter's murder trial, we would at first get upset when they would try to get evidence such as DNA etc. thrown out, and the prosecutor and the Victims Advocate told us that it is pretty much expected to happen...what else can they do with it? I don't see it happening BTW

Hi cubbeegirl

Janet


Hey Janet.... u still rock .... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 07:06:31 PM
Here is a list of Items Casey can buy.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3222.200
Blonde - thanks again for keeping up with those threads, you are amazing! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 23, 2008, 07:08:19 PM
Good night sweet monkeys! (http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/43goingtobed.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 07:09:02 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)

Yeah, and good luck with that one, dumbass!  (Baez, not you, Klaas!!)  

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 23, 2008, 07:09:04 PM
Good night sweet monkeys! (http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/43goingtobed.gif)

Goodnight Tater!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 07:09:41 PM
Good night sweet monkeys! (http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/43goingtobed.gif)

Nite Tater


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 07:10:12 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)

Yeah, and good luck with that one, dumbass!  (Baez, not you, Klaas!!)  

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KnayKnay on October 23, 2008, 07:10:17 PM
Nite Tater - I love the smiley and blankey - sounds good to me right now.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 07:11:10 PM
Good night sweet monkeys! (http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/43goingtobed.gif)

 ::MonkeyShocked::

TAAAATER COOOME BAAACK!!!

The night is still young.  This party animal know what she is taking about.  She still has more posting to do as well as a game of Scrabble before calling it a night.

Janet



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 07:12:15 PM
Ya know.... I just realized that I never did hear back from Nancy Grace regarding the e-mail I sent her.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 07:12:34 PM
Did we lose a couple of people on the way over to the new cage? 

Hey, other monkeys!    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 07:12:57 PM
Good night sweet monkeys! (http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/43goingtobed.gif)

 ::MonkeyShocked::

TAAAATER COOOME BAAACK!!!

The night is still young.  This party animal know what she is taking about.  She still has more posting to do as well as a game of Scrabble before calling it a night.

Janet




Oh Janet....You wild thing you!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 07:13:12 PM
NANCY GRACE IN 45 MINUTES!!!

Janet
4:15 PM ET


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 23, 2008, 07:13:36 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)

Yeah, and good luck with that one, dumbass!  (Baez, not you, Klaas!!)

I thought there was NO evidence. It was all circumstantial "hocus pocus" that could be explained away by their experts.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 07:14:05 PM
Did we lose a couple of people on the way over to the new cage? 

Hey, other monkeys!    ::MonkeyEek::

I don't know, but I wish someone would post something for me to read, so I have an excuse not to go cook...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: starry1st on October 23, 2008, 07:14:44 PM
CASEY'S ATTORNEY TO START QUESTIONING WITNESSES

Casey Anthony's defense attorney is going to start questioning his first prosecution witnesses in the case next Thursday. Among those being questioned is an employee at the Amscot on Goldenrod and Highway 50 where Casey abandoned her car in late June, employees from Johnson's Wrecker Service, the company that towed the car from the Amscot, and Casey's ex-boyfriend Tony Lazzaro.

What do they all have in common? They all had access to Casey's car.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17781526/detail.html

Interviewing the witnesses must not be going so well for JB. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 07:15:20 PM
Cubbee, she didn't get back to you because she was busy making these for SNL........ ::MonkeyTongue::



http://www.hulu.com/watch/1463/saturday-night-live-nancy-grace (http://www.hulu.com/watch/1463/saturday-night-live-nancy-grace)

http://video.tvguide.com/playvideo.ashx?id=440824

I wasn't even going to watch her tonight, but now I can since I've laughed at her today!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 23, 2008, 07:15:23 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)

Yeah, and good luck with that one, dumbass!  (Baez, not you, Klaas!!)

I thought there was NO evidence. It was all circumstantial "hocus pocus" that could be explained away by their experts.



They must be a little worried regarding the car evidence.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 07:15:58 PM
Did we lose a couple of people on the way over to the new cage? 

Hey, other monkeys!    ::MonkeyEek::

I don't know, but I wish someone would post something for me to read, so I have an excuse not to go cook...
Something for you to read so you have an excuse not to go cook ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 07:18:05 PM
Did we lose a couple of people on the way over to the new cage? 

Hey, other monkeys!    ::MonkeyEek::

I don't know, but I wish someone would post something for me to read, so I have an excuse not to go cook...

I'm pretty sure you're a distant member of my family, always!  BTW, did you have a good birthday?
Something for you to read so you have an excuse not to go cook ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 07:18:36 PM
Oops, screwed that one up royally.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 07:19:23 PM
ATTENTION:   TONIGHT ON DANA PRETZER

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/Pretzer102308.jpg)

Don't forget to tune into Dana Pretzer right after Nancy Grace  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 07:19:27 PM
Did we lose a couple of people on the way over to the new cage? 

Hey, other monkeys!    ::MonkeyEek::

I don't know, but I wish someone would post something for me to read, so I have an excuse not to go cook...

I'm pretty sure you're a distant member of my family, always!  BTW, did you have a good birthday?
Something for you to read so you have an excuse not to go cook ::MonkeyCool::
Yes thank you.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 07:19:32 PM
Did we lose a couple of people on the way over to the new cage? 

Hey, other monkeys!    ::MonkeyEek::

I don't know, but I wish someone would post something for me to read, so I have an excuse not to go cook...
Something for you to read so you have an excuse not to go cook ::MonkeyCool::


 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 07:21:04 PM
ATTENTION:   TONIGHT ON DANA PRETZER

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/Pretzer102308.jpg)

Don't forget to tune into Dana Pretzer right after Nancy Grace  ::MonkeyWink::


Yay!!! We remembered..... klaas, I really felt bad about forgetting Dana's show the other night... I almost always remember it... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 07:22:09 PM
Cubbee, she didn't get back to you because she was busy making these for SNL........ ::MonkeyTongue::



http://www.hulu.com/watch/1463/saturday-night-live-nancy-grace (http://www.hulu.com/watch/1463/saturday-night-live-nancy-grace)

http://video.tvguide.com/playvideo.ashx?id=440824

I wasn't even going to watch her tonight, but now I can since I've laughed at her today!


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 07:22:34 PM
Good night sweet monkeys! (http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/43goingtobed.gif)

 ::MonkeyShocked::

TAAAATER COOOME BAAACK!!!

The night is still young.  This party animal know what she is taking about.  She still has more posting to do as well as a game of Scrabble before calling it a night.

Janet




Oh Janet....You wild thing you!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

... and I think I might do that "wifey" thing tonight and prepare a dinner that takes more than 30 minutes.  Ribeye steaks ... fried mushrooms ... prawns ... asparagus ... rice.

BBL Monkeys

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Western Observr on October 23, 2008, 07:23:01 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)

Yeah, and good luck with that one, dumbass!  (Baez, not you, Klaas!!)

I thought there was NO evidence. It was all circumstantial "hocus pocus" that could be explained away by their experts.



They must be a little worried regarding the car evidence.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He is going to challenge the chain of custody.....     probably suggesting that some phantom person came along in the time it was at the Towing co. and deposited a dead body in the trunk, then came back before CA/GA picked it up to remove the body.

It could happen.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 07:23:47 PM
ATTENTION:   TONIGHT ON DANA PRETZER

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/Pretzer102308.jpg)

Don't forget to tune into Dana Pretzer right after Nancy Grace  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks for the reminder Klaas.

BBL

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 07:25:41 PM
Cubbee - we forgot it because it was on Thursday rather than Friday.  I didn't know so I didn't know to tell people.

Usually, he has his shows on Friday and Sunday.  Or Wednesday and Sunday.   I get so confused, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 07:26:16 PM

He is going to challenge the chain of custody.....     probably suggesting that some phantom person came along in the time it was at the Towing co. and deposited a dead body in the trunk, then came back before CA/GA picked it up to remove the body.

It could happen.... ::MonkeyConfused::

George Anthony Lashes Out, Casey Avoids Return To Jail
POSTED: 4:50 pm EDT August 29, 2008
UPDATED: 1:16 pm EDT September 3, 2008


As evidence mounts that Caylee is dead, the Anthony family seems to have no end of conspiracy theories. They blame everyone but Casey.

"Maybe someone put a body in the car after it was towed to the tow yard. Why don't you talk to them about their security?" Cindy Anthony said Thursday evening.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17684992/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TOY on October 23, 2008, 07:27:12 PM
Well, I tried to bring a post from the old cage but couldn't.  It was written in jest but still sparked some "what ifs" in my mind.

It started with someone's comment about George saying it wasn't his granddaughter in the trunk.  Then in jest someone mentioned the Anthony's own body farm.

Here are my questions:  If Casey really did have a miscarriage, would there be a record of it or could nurse-mom Cindy take care of it at home?  If there was a miscarriage (say at home), are there any restrictions or guidelines for disposal?  At what age before birth can sex be determined?

As picky as George is about his yard, the "dent" has always seemed strange to me.  He seems like the sort who would have filled in a "dent" so that the yard would look manicured.

If Casey did miscarry, if it was a boy, if there are no laws restricting disposal, is it possible?  Wouldn't the DNA from the fluids be quite similar to Caylee's?

At this point, almost anything is possible and sometimes "truth is stranger than fiction."

Another thing I found hard to reconcile was the report of Caylee being so distraught that she missed about an hour and a half of the party.  This does not sound like the party girl we've heard about.  Also, having an emotional "outburst" really doesn't sound like the cool, calm, and collected Casey. 

Off the wall?  Oh yes, but I was bored with housework...lol

This post is 99% "no way" with just a bit of "I wonder" thrown in. However, I wouldn't place any bets on it...lol



You're not alone- I too have reached FAR and WIDE in my brain for some kind of explanation- and have thought about the possibility of a miscarriage- possibly stored in a freezer until it could be decided by the family what to do with the fetus, possibly it happening in the yard, then they transported in the trunk. etc etc etc... but I know in my heart they are absurdities and think the only reason I speculate about things like that is because I can't deal with the horrific outcome that the evidence implies. I love my son more than anything in this whole world- and cherish him and I will never be able to understand why some parents purposefully endanger, neglect and kill their children.

P.S. the answer to your question about determining sex of a child- I know that through ultrasound it is usually between 16-20 weeks but have heard as early as 12 weeks w/sophisticated equipment- not sure of what it would be if actually viewing the baby with the naked eye

Kerry Jean, I'm just glad you aren't recommending a padded cell for me...lol

I think you may be right about my brain trying to come up with alternate endings to this story.  Every bit of logic I've ever "hoped" to have is telling me Caylee is deceased but my heart absolutely does not want to accept that at all.  I'm not in denial in the same way George and Cindy are but I still am hoping even though I know it's futile.  I know it but I don't want to believe it if that makes sense.  Thanks for answering.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 07:44:05 PM
I can not believe little Miss "I love to shop with other peoples money" is not doing just that with her commissary funds.  She sure is trying to play this "hard ass" thing to the..well grave.
I would have atleast bought materials to shower with, thats pretty rank..no wonder no one wants to visit her she smells.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 07:46:46 PM
I can not believe little Miss "I love to shop with other peoples money" is not doing just that with her commissary funds.  She sure is trying to play this "hard ass" thing to the..well grave.
I would have atleast bought materials to shower with, thats pretty rank..no wonder no one wants to visit her she smells.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm surprised as well.  Wonder if it's as simple as she didn't realize she could only order once a week?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 07:48:37 PM
I can not believe little Miss "I love to shop with other peoples money" is not doing just that with her commissary funds.  She sure is trying to play this "hard ass" thing to the..well grave.
I would have atleast bought materials to shower with, thats pretty rank..no wonder no one wants to visit her she smells.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm surprised as well.  Wonder if it's as simple as she didn't realize she could only order once a week?
Possibly, but I am sure that someone would have told her when they let her know she had funds.  Biaz would have surely, I mean what else are they paying him to do?  Oh waite they arent paying him...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 23, 2008, 07:52:39 PM
Here is a list of Items Casey can buy.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3222.200
Blonde - thanks again for keeping up with those threads, you are amazing! 
Thank You  


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 23, 2008, 07:55:38 PM
Speaking of shopping.........we know that she shopped (Penney's) on the 27th - and how she did that without a car is beyond me ::MonkeyTongue:: 

Then on the 30th - another great day in questioning she was shopping at that same mall  (JCPenney's)  from 5:30 - 6:45pm after dropping Tony off at the airport, visiting Amy - wanting gas cans - so they went to Target to buy a gas can - then hangs out at Blanchard Park - keeps texting "Andy" and then at 4:30 am decides to go way out in BFE!!!!!  I'm thinking with one of her purchases!!!!! ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 23, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
Forgot what I was trying to say.....................................


I think the girl is SHOPPED-OUT!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 07:57:51 PM
Speaking of shopping.........we know that she shopped (Penney's) on the 27th - and how she did that without a car is beyond me ::MonkeyTongue:: 

Then on the 30th - another great day in questioning she was shopping at that same mall  (JCPenney's)  from 5:30 - 6:45pm after dropping Tony off at the airport, visiting Amy - wanting gas cans - so they went to Target to buy a gas can - then hangs out at Blanchard Park - keeps texting "Andy" and then at 4:30 am decides to go way out in BFE!!!!!  I'm thinking with one of her purchases!!!!! ::MonkeyShocked::

I'm still trying to figure out how she got around on the 27th  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 07:59:45 PM
Where is everyone these days?

No Des, but also no MrsKub, Always-1, Carpe, or Tomm!  Are these people sick?? 

Sorry for the O/T Klaas but I am worried about the long time monkeys. 

I MISS THEM!  I MISS THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Remaining monkeys better not even think about moving so much as an inch from that computer desk! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 08:00:30 PM
Cubbee - we forgot it because it was on Thursday rather than Friday.  I didn't know so I didn't know to tell people.

Usually, he has his shows on Friday and Sunday.  Or Wednesday and Sunday.   I get so confused, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Oh, so that is what happened.... I get confused too klaas!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: WillenFan21 on October 23, 2008, 08:00:51 PM
For those that want to listen to Nancy Grace but won't be able to at home or you don't have an access for TV, I am going to be streaming it in here again. This is all you do:

1.  To enter(all you do is click on 'Chat') the chatroom you go here: http://www.userplane.com/directory/index.cfm?action=domain.search&q=WillenFan21

2. When you enter the chatroom on the left hand corner there is a list with all of the usernames of the people that are in the chatroom. You will see my username which is "WillenFan21"

3. All you do after that is you click on my username and the "A" and then you will be to hear my TV.

The only thing is you WILL NOT be able to see it live but you will be able to hear it live.  :)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 23, 2008, 08:04:07 PM
REPOST:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17789226/detail.html

 
Nov. 8 Search Planned For Caylee, Kesse
Up To 4,000 Volunteer Searchers Expected


POSTED: 3:47 pm EDT October 23, 2008
UPDATED: 4:43 pm EDT October 23, 2008


WINTER PARK, Fla. -- The latest search effort planned for Caylee Anthony is generating a lot of interest.

An Orlando private investigator who has volunteered to head up the effort to recruit team leaders said he has received over 400 calls since just 5 p.m. Wednesday.

"We're looking for someone with law enforcement background, fire service background, department of corrections -- public service background essentially," said James Copenhaver, private investigator. "Those folks have had some training in the past that they can bring to the table to help us."

The search is being headed up by Equusearch, the same group based in Texas that searched for Caylee in September. The group's leader, Tim Miller, plans to return to Orlando on Nov. 7 to train team leaders. On Nov. 8, the group hopes to send as many as 3,000 or 4,000 volunteer searchers out to look for both Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse -- a Central Florida woman who has been missing since January 2006.

Equusearch is still looking for a search headquarters and determining the exact areas that will be searched. Both the sherriff's office and the FBI are on board with their efforts.

People who are interested in volunteering with Equusearch in the upcoming search for Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse on Nov. 8 call Equusearch at 877-270-9500 or go to their website at www.texasequusearch.org. If you are retired law enforcement, military personnel, or have a background in fire or rescue and would like to serve as a team leader, please contact James Copenhaver at 407-897-1184.


FYI - on the right hand side of the link above there are alot of Document, Audio and Image files in the case.

I just received a call from James Copenhaver, and I've been selected as a Team Leader. There will be an orientation with Tim Miller on the 7th of November.  I'll be searching both Sat & Sun. (8th & 9th)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Jennibear8682 on October 23, 2008, 08:04:56 PM
Well, I tried to bring a post from the old cage but couldn't.  It was written in jest but still sparked some "what ifs" in my mind.

It started with someone's comment about George saying it wasn't his granddaughter in the trunk.  Then in jest someone mentioned the Anthony's own body farm.

Here are my questions:  If Casey really did have a miscarriage, would there be a record of it or could nurse-mom Cindy take care of it at home?  If there was a miscarriage (say at home), are there any restrictions or guidelines for disposal?  At what age before birth can sex be determined?

As picky as George is about his yard, the "dent" has always seemed strange to me.  He seems like the sort who would have filled in a "dent" so that the yard would look manicured.

If Casey did miscarry, if it was a boy, if there are no laws restricting disposal, is it possible?  Wouldn't the DNA from the fluids be quite similar to Caylee's?

At this point, almost anything is possible and sometimes "truth is stranger than fiction."

Another thing I found hard to reconcile was the report of Caylee being so distraught that she missed about an hour and a half of the party.  This does not sound like the party girl we've heard about.  Also, having an emotional "outburst" really doesn't sound like the cool, calm, and collected Casey. 

Off the wall?  Oh yes, but I was bored with housework...lol

This post is 99% "no way" with just a bit of "I wonder" thrown in. However, I wouldn't place any bets on it...lol



You're not alone- I too have reached FAR and WIDE in my brain for some kind of explanation- and have thought about the possibility of a miscarriage- possibly stored in a freezer until it could be decided by the family what to do with the fetus, possibly it happening in the yard, then they transported in the trunk. etc etc etc... but I know in my heart they are absurdities and think the only reason I speculate about things like that is because I can't deal with the horrific outcome that the evidence implies. I love my son more than anything in this whole world- and cherish him and I will never be able to understand why some parents purposefully endanger, neglect and kill their children.

P.S. the answer to your question about determining sex of a child- I know that through ultrasound it is usually between 16-20 weeks but have heard as early as 12 weeks w/sophisticated equipment- not sure of what it would be if actually viewing the baby with the naked eye

Kerry Jean, I'm just glad you aren't recommending a padded cell for me...lol

I think you may be right about my brain trying to come up with alternate endings to this story.  Every bit of logic I've ever "hoped" to have is telling me Caylee is deceased but my heart absolutely does not want to accept that at all.  I'm not in denial in the same way George and Cindy are but I still am hoping even though I know it's futile.  I know it but I don't want to believe it if that makes sense.  Thanks for answering.

IF she miscarried and they were able to extract DNA from the remains, they should have been able to determine gender of the fetus.  Sadly, I've miscarried several times and have had genetic testing done after each D&C and the lab was able to determine the gender of each baby.  From my understanding in a lab, gender can be determined with blood and tissue samples in VERY early pregnancy.  After 10 weeks gestation, you can order a kit offline that can tell you the gender with 82% accuracy.

If the baby was a boy, they would be able to tell from DNA that he was Caylee's brother.

A lot of miscarriages happen at home and most women have no need to see a doctor for it unless there are other complications or unless you're seeing a specialist for fertility treatments.  Also, if it was an early loss, there wouldn't have really been any remains to bury.

I don't feel that this theory is plausible, but I agree with you.  I know what the truth is, but it's so hard to believe it.

I think that my struggle with fertility treatments and multiple losses is what makes me so mad about this whole situation.  There are many people in this world (myself included) who would anything to have a healthy, beautiful child like Caylee.  It breaks my heart to think that KC possibly "disposed" of Caylee because she was an inconvience.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 08:05:55 PM
REPOST:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17789226/detail.html

 
Nov. 8 Search Planned For Caylee, Kesse
Up To 4,000 Volunteer Searchers Expected


POSTED: 3:47 pm EDT October 23, 2008
UPDATED: 4:43 pm EDT October 23, 2008


WINTER PARK, Fla. -- The latest search effort planned for Caylee Anthony is generating a lot of interest.

An Orlando private investigator who has volunteered to head up the effort to recruit team leaders said he has received over 400 calls since just 5 p.m. Wednesday.

"We're looking for someone with law enforcement background, fire service background, department of corrections -- public service background essentially," said James Copenhaver, private investigator. "Those folks have had some training in the past that they can bring to the table to help us."

The search is being headed up by Equusearch, the same group based in Texas that searched for Caylee in September. The group's leader, Tim Miller, plans to return to Orlando on Nov. 7 to train team leaders. On Nov. 8, the group hopes to send as many as 3,000 or 4,000 volunteer searchers out to look for both Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse -- a Central Florida woman who has been missing since January 2006.

Equusearch is still looking for a search headquarters and determining the exact areas that will be searched. Both the sherriff's office and the FBI are on board with their efforts.

People who are interested in volunteering with Equusearch in the upcoming search for Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse on Nov. 8 call Equusearch at 877-270-9500 or go to their website at www.texasequusearch.org. If you are retired law enforcement, military personnel, or have a background in fire or rescue and would like to serve as a team leader, please contact James Copenhaver at 407-897-1184.


FYI - on the right hand side of the link above there are alot of Document, Audio and Image files in the case.

I just received a call from James Copenhaver, and I've been selected as a Team Leader. There will be an orientation with Tim Miller on the 7th of November.  I'll be searching both Sat & Sun. (8th & 9th)

Great news - thanks Colt!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Jennibear8682 on October 23, 2008, 08:07:37 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I still shake my head when I hear Lee say that "Two DEAD squirrels crawled under the hood of the car"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 08:10:04 PM
REPOST:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17789226/detail.html

 
Nov. 8 Search Planned For Caylee, Kesse
Up To 4,000 Volunteer Searchers Expected


POSTED: 3:47 pm EDT October 23, 2008
UPDATED: 4:43 pm EDT October 23, 2008


WINTER PARK, Fla. -- The latest search effort planned for Caylee Anthony is generating a lot of interest.

An Orlando private investigator who has volunteered to head up the effort to recruit team leaders said he has received over 400 calls since just 5 p.m. Wednesday.

"We're looking for someone with law enforcement background, fire service background, department of corrections -- public service background essentially," said James Copenhaver, private investigator. "Those folks have had some training in the past that they can bring to the table to help us."

The search is being headed up by Equusearch, the same group based in Texas that searched for Caylee in September. The group's leader, Tim Miller, plans to return to Orlando on Nov. 7 to train team leaders. On Nov. 8, the group hopes to send as many as 3,000 or 4,000 volunteer searchers out to look for both Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse -- a Central Florida woman who has been missing since January 2006.

Equusearch is still looking for a search headquarters and determining the exact areas that will be searched. Both the sherriff's office and the FBI are on board with their efforts.

People who are interested in volunteering with Equusearch in the upcoming search for Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse on Nov. 8 call Equusearch at 877-270-9500 or go to their website at www.texasequusearch.org. If you are retired law enforcement, military personnel, or have a background in fire or rescue and would like to serve as a team leader, please contact James Copenhaver at 407-897-1184.


FYI - on the right hand side of the link above there are alot of Document, Audio and Image files in the case.

I just received a call from James Copenhaver, and I've been selected as a Team Leader. There will be an orientation with Tim Miller on the 7th of November.  I'll be searching both Sat & Sun. (8th & 9th)

Great news - thanks Colt!


Great Colt! I know you will do a great job!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: higherhopes on October 23, 2008, 08:16:16 PM
Hello Monkeys............Klaas   you have mail....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 23, 2008, 08:16:19 PM
Did Jesse ever say what she was driving when she came over to shower?  The gentleman that he seems to be - did not walk her to the door and watch her to her car? :gaah:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 23, 2008, 08:16:58 PM
Hello Monkeys............Klaas   you have mail....

where the Hell have you been?????????????????  I'm glad your here!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 08:17:09 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 08:17:37 PM
Hello Monkeys............Klaas   you have mail....

OK, will check in a minute...trying to watch NG


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mary on October 23, 2008, 08:18:06 PM
Baez trying to get Caseys car thrown out because it was  contramized when she
left car parked before it was towed,


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 08:18:49 PM
Hello Monkeys............Klaas   you have mail....

OK, will check in a minute...trying to watch NG

Higherhopes - checked my mail and nothing from you

smklaas@hotmail.com


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mint_Julep on October 23, 2008, 08:19:52 PM
Well, I tried to bring a post from the old cage but couldn't.  It was written in jest but still sparked some "what ifs" in my mind.

It started with someone's comment about George saying it wasn't his granddaughter in the trunk.  Then in jest someone mentioned the Anthony's own body farm.

Here are my questions:  If Casey really did have a miscarriage, would there be a record of it or could nurse-mom Cindy take care of it at home?  If there was a miscarriage (say at home), are there any restrictions or guidelines for disposal?  At what age before birth can sex be determined?

As picky as George is about his yard, the "dent" has always seemed strange to me.  He seems like the sort who would have filled in a "dent" so that the yard would look manicured.

If Casey did miscarry, if it was a boy, if there are no laws restricting disposal, is it possible?  Wouldn't the DNA from the fluids be quite similar to Caylee's?

At this point, almost anything is possible and sometimes "truth is stranger than fiction."

Another thing I found hard to reconcile was the report of Caylee being so distraught that she missed about an hour and a half of the party.  This does not sound like the party girl we've heard about.  Also, having an emotional "outburst" really doesn't sound like the cool, calm, and collected Casey. 

Off the wall?  Oh yes, but I was bored with housework...lol

This post is 99% "no way" with just a bit of "I wonder" thrown in. However, I wouldn't place any bets on it...lol


With that family I belive almost anything is possible! Early on I remember GA leaving early one morning with a large cooler - saying he was going to search for Caylee Does anyone know where he went or if he brought the chest home with him? I have read so much on this case that I cannot remember if George's "trip" was before or after LE searched the yard. Anyway, IMO, that could be a way to dispose of a fetus IF it had been buried in the yard.

I guess my imagination is working overtime tonight.      ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KiahJ on October 23, 2008, 08:20:08 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Hello Monkeys...

I heard this on Headline News tonight as well... when was this info released?  I had not heard this before...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 23, 2008, 08:20:15 PM
Dolce ~ Always 1 is signed in now, and posted a bit ago. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cajun miracle on October 23, 2008, 08:22:02 PM
Could someone be so kind as to give me Destiny's email? If you can't post it, then Klaas has my email. Thanks and have a great one.

Cajun Miracle

Cajun - I can't simply give out Destiny's email address to people.  Sorry, it's just not propper.

Thanks Klaas. I do have her phone # if I can find it.
Cajun Miracle


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 08:27:44 PM
I did a search - knock out drugs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloral_hydrate


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: higherhopes on October 23, 2008, 08:29:18 PM
sorry Klaas.........I messed up...I resent it...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 23, 2008, 08:31:56 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



 I don't recall hearing this before.. that he actually told her NOT to bring Caylee.  ::MonkeyEek::  Had you heard this before?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 08:32:51 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



 I don't recall hearing this before.. that he actually told her NOT to bring Caylee.  ::MonkeyEek::  Had you heard this before?

It sounds vaguely familiar but I'm not sure.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 23, 2008, 08:35:44 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



 I don't recall hearing this before.. that he actually told her NOT to bring Caylee.  ::MonkeyEek::  Had you heard this before?

I heard this last night on NG at the very beginning.  Last night anyway, they were stating it was a rumor/theory out there.  (I can't think of his name - it's the guy at the beginning from a radio station)  Is this a fact now?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: luckycharmsprincess on October 23, 2008, 08:36:16 PM
Baez trying to get Caseys car thrown out because it was  contramized when she
left car parked before it was towed,

Yes, because CindyA's speculation is that someone else put a dead body in the car. Who are these people the Sopranos??? When I think of Orlando I think Disney and Mickey Mouse, not John Gotti and Whitey Bulger. The way she says it so casually as if it HAPPENS all the time. Another beef with CindyA..."She's not DEAD." We know CindyA, Casey says "She's Sleeping"...which in Casey speak translates to "She's dead." 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 08:36:57 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



 I don't recall hearing this before.. that he actually told her NOT to bring Caylee.  ::MonkeyEek::  Had you heard this before?

It sounds vaguely familiar but I'm not sure.

I am not postitive about the 15th, but it is true that he didn't want Caylee around because of the drinking and pot smoking.  He was concerned about Caylee - he had roommates to consider as well. Can you imagine the guilt he feels?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: txlisa on October 23, 2008, 08:38:53 PM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Battery Operated Boyfriend? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Lisa


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 08:40:31 PM
Baez trying to get Caseys car thrown out because it was  contramized when she
left car parked before it was towed,

Yes, because CindyA's speculation is that someone else put a dead body in the car. Who are these people the Sopranos??? When I think of Orlando I think Disney and Mickey Mouse, not John Gotti and Whitey Bulger. The way she says it so casually as if it HAPPENS all the time. Another beef with CindyA..."She's not DEAD." We know CindyA, Casey says "She's Sleeping"...which in Casey speak translates to "She's dead." 
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha John and Whitey on Magic Mountain.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 08:41:36 PM
Hello Monkeys............Klaas   you have mail....

where the Hell have you been?????????????????  I'm glad your here!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
That's where in the Hooty Hell have you been????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 23, 2008, 08:41:39 PM
Does anyone think Casey might be in a sort of state of shock that she's actually been charged with murder? If George and Cindy have always taken on her responsibilities and made everything be okay for her, she might not be able to absorb what is happening to her now.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 08:43:18 PM
Does anyone think Casey might be in a sort of state of shock that she's actually been charged with murder? If George and Cindy have always taken on her responsibilities and made everything be okay for her, she might not be able to absorb what is happening to her now.


Yes, I do! In fact I posted that earlier.... I think that she might still be in her little Caseyworld, and thinking she is gonna go free ...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 23, 2008, 08:45:15 PM
Does anyone think Casey might be in a sort of state of shock that she's actually been charged with murder? If George and Cindy have always taken on her responsibilities and made everything be okay for her, she might not be able to absorb what is happening to her now.


Yes, I do! In fact I posted that earlier.... I think that she might still be in her little Caseyworld, and thinking she is gonna go free ...

Hi Cubbee :smt039


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 08:45:50 PM
I can not believe little Miss "I love to shop with other peoples money" is not doing just that with her commissary funds.  She sure is trying to play this "hard ass" thing to the..well grave.
I would have atleast bought materials to shower with, thats pretty rank..no wonder no one wants to visit her she smells.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Not as much fun to shop when the money is given to you!  She may not have known  but IMO she just loves playing the victim.  I hope the spiteful biotch doesn't get too many admirers but I am sure she already has quite the fan club!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 08:46:12 PM
Does anyone think Casey might be in a sort of state of shock that she's actually been charged with murder? If George and Cindy have always taken on her responsibilities and made everything be okay for her, she might not be able to absorb what is happening to her now.


Yes, I do! In fact I posted that earlier.... I think that she might still be in her little Caseyworld, and thinking she is gonna go free ...

Hi Cubbee :smt039

Hey yourself!...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 23, 2008, 08:47:15 PM
Does anyone think Casey might be in a sort of state of shock that she's actually been charged with murder? If George and Cindy have always taken on her responsibilities and made everything be okay for her, she might not be able to absorb what is happening to her now.

Yes!  She probably thinks that Cindy will get her out of this as she has with everything else.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 23, 2008, 08:48:10 PM
I can not believe little Miss "I love to shop with other peoples money" is not doing just that with her commissary funds.  She sure is trying to play this "hard ass" thing to the..well grave.
I would have atleast bought materials to shower with, thats pretty rank..no wonder no one wants to visit her she smells.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Not as much fun to shop when the money is given to you!  She may not have known  but IMO she just loves playing the victim.  I hope the spiteful biotch doesn't get too many admirers but I am sure she already has quite the fan club!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

As long as they aren't on the jury!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 23, 2008, 08:48:29 PM
My job involves working with the families of needy young children, and we hear some pretty sad stories. I have to say, though, that everything about Caylee's story is one of the saddest.

A beautiful young child is gone, a young woman who had so many opportunities is moldering away in prison, and two people who should be enjoying the company of their daughter and grandchild must be heartbroken now.

It all makes me want to cry.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dana on October 23, 2008, 08:48:44 PM
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 08:49:45 PM
My job involves working with the families of needy young children, and we hear some pretty sad stories. I have to say, though, that everything about Caylee's story is one of the saddest.

A beautiful young child is gone, a young woman who had so many opportunities is moldering away in prison, and two people who should be enjoying the company of their daughter and grandchild must be heartbroken now.

It all makes me want to cry.  ::MonkeyWaa::
Please please don't cry BT girl. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 08:51:07 PM
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 08:51:17 PM
Cindy is going to need shock treatmnets when reality sets in.  I am being serious!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: higherhopes on October 23, 2008, 08:51:23 PM
Hello Monkeys............Klaas   you have mail....

where the Hell have you been?????????????????  I'm glad your here!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
That's where in the Hooty Hell have you been????
Hello.....I have missed all of you too  and will be back as soon as I can.....until then.......keep Caylee in everybodies prayers and I hope on Nov.8th she will be found and can rest in peace..........bye!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 08:51:27 PM
I can not believe little Miss "I love to shop with other peoples money" is not doing just that with her commissary funds.  She sure is trying to play this "hard ass" thing to the..well grave.
I would have atleast bought materials to shower with, thats pretty rank..no wonder no one wants to visit her she smells.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Not as much fun to shop when the money is given to you!  She may not have known  but IMO she just loves playing the victim.  I hope the spiteful biotch doesn't get too many admirers but I am sure she already has quite the fan club!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yeah.... look at Scott Peterson!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 23, 2008, 08:51:38 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



 I don't recall hearing this before.. that he actually told her NOT to bring Caylee.  ::MonkeyEek::  Had you heard this before?

It sounds vaguely familiar but I'm not sure.

I am not postitive about the 15th, but it is true that he didn't want Caylee around because of the drinking and pot smoking.  He was concerned about Caylee - he had roommates to consider as well. Can you imagine the guilt he feels?

If that's the case, it's pretty sad when the  boyfriend cares more about the kid than the mom does.. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 08:52:22 PM
Hello Monkeys............Klaas   you have mail....

where the Hell have you been?????????????????  I'm glad your here!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
That's where in the Hooty Hell have you been????
Hello.....I have missed all of you too  and will be back as soon as I can.....until then.......keep Caylee in everybodies prayers and I hope on Nov.8th she will be found and can rest in peace..........bye!!!!!!!!!


Hey! Are you leaving without posting the pictures we been waiting for?
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dana on October 23, 2008, 08:52:33 PM
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 23, 2008, 08:52:47 PM
My job involves working with the families of needy young children, and we hear some pretty sad stories. I have to say, though, that everything about Caylee's story is one of the saddest.

A beautiful young child is gone, a young woman who had so many opportunities is moldering away in prison, and two people who should be enjoying the company of their daughter and grandchild must be heartbroken now.

It all makes me want to cry.  ::MonkeyWaa::
Please please don't cry BT girl. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

But it's soooooo sad. So many lives ruined in one moment.  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 23, 2008, 08:53:09 PM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Battery Operated Boyfriend? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Lisa

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 08:54:03 PM
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 23, 2008, 08:55:29 PM
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Thanks, Dana!  :smt052


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 08:56:53 PM
My job involves working with the families of needy young children, and we hear some pretty sad stories. I have to say, though, that everything about Caylee's story is one of the saddest.

A beautiful young child is gone, a young woman who had so many opportunities is moldering away in prison, and two people who should be enjoying the company of their daughter and grandchild must be heartbroken now.

It all makes me want to cry.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Yes, BT...it is really a tragedy!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 23, 2008, 08:57:06 PM
I'm anxious to see the FBI lab results!  NG said they would be released tomorrow morning.
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 08:57:45 PM
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 08:58:21 PM
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 08:58:35 PM
I'm anxious to see the FBI lab results!  NG said they would be released tomorrow morning.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Dang..... I wish work would quit interfering in my life!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dana on October 23, 2008, 08:58:56 PM
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Hey Dana! We remembered tonight... ::MonkeyWink::

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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:00:14 PM
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you bet I can,
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::


Hey Dana! We remembered tonight... ::MonkeyWink::

thats ok, even if you forget im always available on the podcast

 ::MonkeyWink::


That podcast sure came in handy last week...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 23, 2008, 09:00:48 PM
Where is everyone these days?

No Des, but also no MrsKub, Always-1, Carpe, or Tomm!  Are these people sick?? 

Sorry for the O/T Klaas but I am worried about the long time monkeys. 

I MISS THEM!  I MISS THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Remaining monkeys better not even think about moving so much as an inch from that computer desk! 

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I don't know where everyone is but I do know Mrskub is on vacation!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 09:02:06 PM
Dr. Bev Smallwood first


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:04:19 PM
Oh, Geez Dana.... that is a sad story he just told.... ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 09:08:04 PM
I'm anxious to see the FBI lab results!  NG said they would be released tomorrow morning.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Dang..... I wish work would quit interfering in my life!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  you have mail!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: txlisa on October 23, 2008, 09:09:44 PM
So FBI releases its lab results tomorrow.  Anybody know what time?

Lisa


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 23, 2008, 09:10:17 PM
My job involves working with the families of needy young children, and we hear some pretty sad stories. I have to say, though, that everything about Caylee's story is one of the saddest.

A beautiful young child is gone, a young woman who had so many opportunities is moldering away in prison, and two people who should be enjoying the company of their daughter and grandchild must be heartbroken now.

It all makes me want to cry.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Yes, BT...it is really a tragedy!

it's all horrible. I don't see any silver lining here.. anyone else?

I just hope it prevents one person from killing their kid, but I doubt it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:11:09 PM
I'm anxious to see the FBI lab results!  NG said they would be released tomorrow morning.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Dang..... I wish work would quit interfering in my life!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  you have mail!

TY


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:11:11 PM
WHOOHOO  yeah for Dana!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 23, 2008, 09:11:59 PM
Oh, Geez Dana.... that is a sad story he just told.... ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

We're all big old cry monkeys tonight.  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: FL Beagle Mom on October 23, 2008, 09:12:45 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney May Try To Get Car Evidence Thrown Out
It looks like Casey's defense attorney might try to get all the evidence in the car thrown out. (10/23/08)

WHAT?! 

Um, that's the best evidence there is!!  I would seriously flip out if the judge went for this  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

There is no Caylee. She's still missing, and no longer alive. We have DNA evidence suggesting it was her in the trunk. NOT another body.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

saw nancy grace after dinner about the defense may try that and it made me want to puke!!! 

not only that but kobe makes me wanna puke!  throw him off the show NG!  but on the other hand, kobe is talking so hopefully the prosecution is paying attn to what the defense maybe up to.

I HATE them all! ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:12:51 PM
My job involves working with the families of needy young children, and we hear some pretty sad stories. I have to say, though, that everything about Caylee's story is one of the saddest.

A beautiful young child is gone, a young woman who had so many opportunities is moldering away in prison, and two people who should be enjoying the company of their daughter and grandchild must be heartbroken now.

It all makes me want to cry.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Yes, BT...it is really a tragedy!

it's all horrible. I don't see any silver lining here.. anyone else?

I just hope it prevents one person from killing their kid, but I doubt it.


No silver lining on the horizon here Rob....
I doubt it will prevent another kid from getting killed too...so very, very tragic! ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:13:18 PM
Muffy - thank you!  (you have nanners)

A-1 if you are here you have a nanner too....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:13:34 PM
Oh, Geez Dana.... that is a sad story he just told.... ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

We're all big old cry monkeys tonight.  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

LOL.... cry monkeys...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: monkey deep on October 23, 2008, 09:13:44 PM
Hey monkeys,

great news, my husband is active duty military and we are in Jacksonville, I finally talked him into getting some guys together from his division to volunteer in the Nov 8th search. They are going to contact TES tomorrow. I would love to help but someone has to stay and take care of the kids, because THAT is what a good mother does, she puts her children first ::MonkeyWink::

I can not wait for the FBI news to come out tomorrow!!!! so excited but I am also super duper sleepy so I am heading off to bed after Dana's show.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:14:31 PM
Well monkeys, we are in good company....the doctor just don't get it either....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 09:15:46 PM
Hey monkeys,

great news, my husband is active duty military and we are in Jacksonville, I finally talked him into getting some guys together from his division to volunteer in the Nov 8th search. They are going to contact TES tomorrow. I would love to help but someone has to stay and take care of the kids, because THAT is what a good mother does, she puts her children first ::MonkeyWink::

I can not wait for the FBI news to come out tomorrow!!!! so excited but I am also super duper sleepy so I am heading off to bed after Dana's show.

Great news! 



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:15:49 PM
Hey monkeys,

great news, my husband is active duty military and we are in Jacksonville, I finally talked him into getting some guys together from his division to volunteer in the Nov 8th search. They are going to contact TES tomorrow. I would love to help but someone has to stay and take care of the kids, because THAT is what a good mother does, she puts her children first ::MonkeyWink::

I can not wait for the FBI news to come out tomorrow!!!! so excited but I am also super duper sleepy so I am heading off to bed after Dana's show.


Awwww.... that is awesome that they are going to do that....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:16:03 PM
My job involves working with the families of needy young children, and we hear some pretty sad stories. I have to say, though, that everything about Caylee's story is one of the saddest.

A beautiful young child is gone, a young woman who had so many opportunities is moldering away in prison, and two people who should be enjoying the company of their daughter and grandchild must be heartbroken now.

It all makes me want to cry.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Yes, BT...it is really a tragedy!

it's all horrible. I don't see any silver lining here.. anyone else?

I just hope it prevents one person from killing their kid, but I doubt it.


No silver lining on the horizon here Rob....
I doubt it will prevent another kid from getting killed too...so very, very tragic! ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::
My fear is that this case will only make things worse.  Mothers will follow Casey in their desperation as well.  So far she has been un-touchable.  Even the most stupidest defense attorney is not looking to have evidence thrown out??  Someone with a twisted mind might see this as a good idea....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 09:17:00 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Hello Monkeys...

I heard this on Headline News tonight as well... when was this info released?  I had not heard this before...


This was new to me, too - I'm wondering what was behind that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:17:37 PM
My job involves working with the families of needy young children, and we hear some pretty sad stories. I have to say, though, that everything about Caylee's story is one of the saddest.

A beautiful young child is gone, a young woman who had so many opportunities is moldering away in prison, and two people who should be enjoying the company of their daughter and grandchild must be heartbroken now.

It all makes me want to cry.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Yes, BT...it is really a tragedy!

it's all horrible. I don't see any silver lining here.. anyone else?

I just hope it prevents one person from killing their kid, but I doubt it.


No silver lining on the horizon here Rob....
I doubt it will prevent another kid from getting killed too...so very, very tragic! ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::
My fear is that this case will only make things worse.  Mothers will follow Casey in their desperation as well.  So far she has been un-touchable.  Even the most stupidest defense attorney is not looking to have evidence thrown out??  Someone with a twisted mind might see this as a good idea....


Dolce.... they ALWAYS try to get the evidence thrown out....it usually only happens in Rooba!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:18:43 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Hello Monkeys...

I heard this on Headline News tonight as well... when was this info released?  I had not heard this before...


This was new to me, too - I'm wondering what was behind that.
WOW..just WOW!! 
Tony sat in the SM forum thread made for him and stated how much he liked Caylee and having her around.  Never once did he mention this crap.
Is this a fact???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: lula on October 23, 2008, 09:19:31 PM
To Klaaasend, Dolce, and everyone.   

 On the last thread I said Caylee was being exploited by everyone. I am so sorry I never meant to insinuate TES. I love TES and what they do.

What I meant was she was being exploited by the Anthony's, the lawyers, tabloid magazines, main stream media and yes even LP. It's motivation for money and NO in no way did I mean TES.

I just needed say this for the record.

I think I slipped on a banana peal...ouch that hurt....my apologies.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 09:19:55 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



 I don't recall hearing this before.. that he actually told her NOT to bring Caylee.  ::MonkeyEek::  Had you heard this before?

It sounds vaguely familiar but I'm not sure.

I am not postitive about the 15th, but it is true that he didn't want Caylee around because of the drinking and pot smoking.  He was concerned about Caylee - he had roommates to consider as well. Can you imagine the guilt he feels?

If that really was said, I can imagine he would feel a little guilty, but with that as his reasoning, he was definitely looking out for her.   Casey would have done it regardless, though - the timing would have been the only thing different.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 23, 2008, 09:20:11 PM
I'm anxious to see the FBI lab results!  NG said they would be released tomorrow morning.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Waiting to hear CA's "spin" on the FBI's test results. CA: "It's a conspiracy"!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:20:39 PM
My job involves working with the families of needy young children, and we hear some pretty sad stories. I have to say, though, that everything about Caylee's story is one of the saddest.

A beautiful young child is gone, a young woman who had so many opportunities is moldering away in prison, and two people who should be enjoying the company of their daughter and grandchild must be heartbroken now.

It all makes me want to cry.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Yes, BT...it is really a tragedy!

it's all horrible. I don't see any silver lining here.. anyone else?

I just hope it prevents one person from killing their kid, but I doubt it.


No silver lining on the horizon here Rob....
I doubt it will prevent another kid from getting killed too...so very, very tragic! ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::
My fear is that this case will only make things worse.  Mothers will follow Casey in their desperation as well.  So far she has been un-touchable.  Even the most stupidest defense attorney is not looking to have evidence thrown out??  Someone with a twisted mind might see this as a good idea....

Dolce.... they ALWAYS try to get the evidence thrown out....it usually only happens in Rooba!!!
True, but I hope not crazy biyothces think they can pull this crap like Casey has done.  Look at the people who have become her little fan club, you should have seen her Facebook prior to it being taken down, if it was her or not, regardless she had a huge following.  Even if only half of those people were her "fans" that still gives her over 450 fans.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 09:21:13 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Hello Monkeys...

I heard this on Headline News tonight as well... when was this info released?  I had not heard this before...


This was new to me, too - I'm wondering what was behind that.
WOW..just WOW!! 
Tony sat in the SM forum thread made for him and stated how much he liked Caylee and having her around.  Never once did he mention this crap.
Is this a fact???

I actually do believe that he really liked Caylee, so I don't think it meant that he just didn't want her around.   That's just my gut more than anything, though.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:21:16 PM
I'm anxious to see the FBI lab results!  NG said they would be released tomorrow morning.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Waiting to hear CA's "spin" on the FBI's test results. CA: "It's a conspiracy"!

Just like the Peterson's ......DENY!DENY!DENY!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 23, 2008, 09:21:29 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 09:21:30 PM
To Klaaasend, Dolce, and everyone.   

 On the last thread I said Caylee was being exploited by everyone. I am so sorry I never meant to insinuate TES. I love TES and what they do.

What I meant was she was being exploited by the Anthony's, the lawyers, tabloid magazines, main stream media and yes even LP. It's motivation for money and NO in no way did I mean TES.

I just needed say this for the record.

I think I slipped on a banana peal...ouch that hurt....my apologies.

Whew, good!  You know I have to protect Tim Miller and TES  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 23, 2008, 09:21:57 PM
To Klaaasend, Dolce, and everyone.   

 On the last thread I said Caylee was being exploited by everyone. I am so sorry I never meant to insinuate TES. I love TES and what they do.

What I meant was she was being exploited by the Anthony's, the lawyers, tabloid magazines, main stream media and yes even LP. It's motivation for money and NO in no way did I mean TES.

I just needed say this for the record.

I think I slipped on a banana peal...ouch that hurt....my apologies.


 :smt058


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:22:02 PM
To Klaaasend, Dolce, and everyone.   

 On the last thread I said Caylee was being exploited by everyone. I am so sorry I never meant to insinuate TES. I love TES and what they do.

What I meant was she was being exploited by the Anthony's, the lawyers, tabloid magazines, main stream media and yes even LP. It's motivation for money and NO in no way did I mean TES.

I just needed say this for the record.

I think I slipped on a banana peal...ouch that hurt....my apologies.
No apology nessessary sweety.  Some times our fingers type faster than our brains can think.  No worries!!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 09:22:31 PM
http://drbevsmallwood.com/

(http://drbevsmallwood.com/2008-FEB/drbev-picture.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:23:17 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.
Rob I love your posts but I missed GA with a dildo. What are you talking about?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:23:45 PM
To Klaaasend, Dolce, and everyone.   

 On the last thread I said Caylee was being exploited by everyone. I am so sorry I never meant to insinuate TES. I love TES and what they do.

What I meant was she was being exploited by the Anthony's, the lawyers, tabloid magazines, main stream media and yes even LP. It's motivation for money and NO in no way did I mean TES.

I just needed say this for the record.

I think I slipped on a banana peal...ouch that hurt....my apologies.


Lula.....no harm ....no foul.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 09:23:48 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

Dildonic logic??  Is there a college course I can take in that?   Sounds interesting.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 09:24:09 PM
What scares me is how many stupid people are going to try to make the "recipe" for chloroform?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:24:30 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

Dildonic logic??  Is there a college course I can take in that?   Sounds interesting.


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:25:17 PM
What scares me is how many stupid people are going to try to make the "recipe" for chloroform?   ::MonkeyEek::

I am sure they did not realize just how easy it was...even an Anthony could do it. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 09:26:21 PM
http://www.officerdavinabuffjones.com/

(http://www.officerdavinabuffjones.com/images/lil_Dee2_sft.jpg)

Crime scene:

http://www.officerdavinabuffjones.com/crime%20scene.htm


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: monkey deep on October 23, 2008, 09:26:24 PM
What scares me is how many stupid people are going to try to make the "recipe" for chloroform?   ::MonkeyEek::


Me too, That was the first thing my husband said tonight when watching NG, he said
" I do not think it is such a great idea to be telling everyone how to make Chloroform on national television, my 9 year old was even asking what it was, that scares the heck outta me.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 23, 2008, 09:28:54 PM
It REALLY pisses me off that caylee is dead and cindy and george are selling rights to her photos to get defense money for her murderer.  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 23, 2008, 09:29:08 PM
BTgirl, did you hear Dana call you out. He gave you a hug on the radio!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 09:29:15 PM
Cubbee, the picture of Caylee in your sig line is still my favorite by far.   Probably in nothing but a diaper or a pull-up.  I remember those days with my little one.   At that age, they just do little things (several times a day) that give you no choice but to grab them, hug them and hold onto them until they beg you to let them down so that they can play some more.

Nothing else like it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Colt45cal on October 23, 2008, 09:29:42 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 09:29:57 PM
Then Mark Williams - on the Cayle Anthony case:

(http://www.webwiseforradio.com/site_files/351/Image/Mark-KickAss01.jpg)

and Leonard Padilla


(http://www.eyesofargus.net/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/05/bishopofthehomelesspadilla.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 23, 2008, 09:30:35 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.
Rob I love your posts but I missed GA with a dildo. What are you talking about?

He was saying something on one of the clips on Nancy's show.. I had survivor on and didn't catch NG tonight but caught a little bit during the commercial...

He was saying Caylee's alive and he loves his daughter . . blah blah blah...

What proof does he have that Caylee is alive that refutes everything else known to date... and I'm just talking about the stuff we know. The LE knows much more.

Like I said - he needs to z i p it

zipppppp it!

That Manson Anthony Family is utterly diabolical.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 09:30:45 PM
BTgirl, did you hear Dana call you out. He gave you a hug on the radio!  ::MonkeyTongue::
Did he really????  Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hiding Monkey on October 23, 2008, 09:31:21 PM
I didn't really hear it, did anyone else have a problem hearing it?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: lula on October 23, 2008, 09:31:24 PM
To Klaaasend, Dolce, and everyone.   

 On the last thread I said Caylee was being exploited by everyone. I am so sorry I never meant to insinuate TES. I love TES and what they do.

What I meant was she was being exploited by the Anthony's, the lawyers, tabloid magazines, main stream media and yes even LP. It's motivation for money and NO in no way did I mean TES.

I just needed say this for the record.

I think I slipped on a banana peal...ouch that hurt....my apologies.

Whew, good!  You know I have to protect Tim Miller and TES  ::MonkeyHaHa::

absolutely!

....just had to say that....my bad


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:31:51 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.
Colt I agree...but judging by the distance between them on that couch this morning...Cindy must have some mighty long arms...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 23, 2008, 09:32:01 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Hello Monkeys...

I heard this on Headline News tonight as well... when was this info released?  I had not heard this before...


This was new to me, too - I'm wondering what was behind that.
WOW..just WOW!! 
Tony sat in the SM forum thread made for him and stated how much he liked Caylee and having her around.  Never once did he mention this crap.
Is this a fact???

Was it that Tony or the cop Tony?  Is the cop Tony who she was talking to when she called Caylee a "snothead?"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: irishbosoxfan on October 23, 2008, 09:32:07 PM
Does anyone know what that radio transmission said--I couldn't understand it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: alleycat86 on October 23, 2008, 09:32:42 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



 I don't recall hearing this before.. that he actually told her NOT to bring Caylee.  ::MonkeyEek::  Had you heard this before?

It sounds vaguely familiar but I'm not sure.

I am not postitive about the 15th, but it is true that he didn't want Caylee around because of the drinking and pot smoking.  He was concerned about Caylee - he had roommates to consider as well. Can you imagine the guilt he feels?

If that really was said, I can imagine he would feel a little guilty, but with that as his reasoning, he was definitely looking out for her.   Casey would have done it regardless, though - the timing would have been the only thing different.

it was mentioned on nancy grace yesterday as well as a "theory" introduced by a tabloid.. either globe or enquirer so i don't know how credible it is.. i personally don't think after all that time he would say don't bring her around when he said she never really did in the first place


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 09:32:43 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.

Colt do you still talk to GA?  Is your opinion of him the same?  Just curious!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 23, 2008, 09:32:48 PM
BTgirl, did you hear Dana call you out. He gave you a hug on the radio!  ::MonkeyTongue::
Did he really????  Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

He did, He said to BTgirl & all monkeys that are sad he was giving a hug through the radio!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:33:43 PM

He was saying something on one of the clips on Nancy's show.. I had survivor on and didn't catch NG tonight but caught a little bit during the commercial...

He was saying Caylee's alive and he loves his daughter . . blah blah blah...

What proof does he have that Caylee is alive that refutes everything else known to date... and I'm just talking about the stuff we know. The LE knows much more.

Like I said - he needs to z i p it

zipppppp it!

That Manson Anthony Family is utterly diabolical.

Ah, gotcha.  I missed it completely.  They do keep getting worse and worse.  Falling farther into the rabbit hole.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  They are doing no one justice by talking.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 09:34:35 PM
BTgirl, did you hear Dana call you out. He gave you a hug on the radio!  ::MonkeyTongue::
Did he really????  Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

He did, He said to BTgirl & all monkeys that are sad he was giving a hug through the radio!  ::MonkeyWink::

Awwwwwwwww! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 23, 2008, 09:34:44 PM
BTgirl, did you hear Dana call you out. He gave you a hug on the radio!  ::MonkeyTongue::
Did he really????  Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

He did, He said to BTgirl & all monkeys that are sad he was giving a hug through the radio!  ::MonkeyWink::

How sweet!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 09:35:58 PM
Does anyone have alink to CA and GA new interview?

Please and TIA.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hiding Monkey on October 23, 2008, 09:36:05 PM
Does anyone know what that radio transmission said--I couldn't understand it.
  I couldn't either.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Treehouse on October 23, 2008, 09:37:35 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Hello Monkeys...

I heard this on Headline News tonight as well... when was this info released?  I had not heard this before...


This was new to me, too - I'm wondering what was behind that.
WOW..just WOW!! 
Tony sat in the SM forum thread made for him and stated how much he liked Caylee and having her around.  Never once did he mention this crap.
Is this a fact???

Was it that Tony or the cop Tony?  Is the cop Tony who she was talking to when she called Caylee a "snothead?"

Very good point, Mammy. I don't remember seeing anything about Tony L not wanting Caylee around. I do remember reading the messages that Tony R didn't want Casey to bring Caylee with her to his house.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: lula on October 23, 2008, 09:39:06 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.
Colt I agree...but judging by the distance between them on that couch this morning...Cindy must have some mighty long arms...
Did you notice how this time it was George who reached out and touched Cindy's thigh? What's up with that?  What is wrong with these people?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 09:39:52 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Hello Monkeys...

I heard this on Headline News tonight as well... when was this info released?  I had not heard this before...


This was new to me, too - I'm wondering what was behind that.
WOW..just WOW!! 
Tony sat in the SM forum thread made for him and stated how much he liked Caylee and having her around.  Never once did he mention this crap.
Is this a fact???

Was it that Tony or the cop Tony?  Is the cop Tony who she was talking to when she called Caylee a "snothead?"

You know that's a good question.  I do remember cop Tony not wanting Caylee around one night. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:40:12 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Hello Monkeys...

I heard this on Headline News tonight as well... when was this info released?  I had not heard this before...


This was new to me, too - I'm wondering what was behind that.
WOW..just WOW!! 
Tony sat in the SM forum thread made for him and stated how much he liked Caylee and having her around.  Never once did he mention this crap.
Is this a fact???

Was it that Tony or the cop Tony?  Is the cop Tony who she was talking to when she called Caylee a "snothead?"

Ok I remember that conversation, it was done through Instant Messenger...but I thought that was done in May??
This insinuated that it was the new Tony. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 09:40:25 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.
Colt I agree...but judging by the distance between them on that couch this morning...Cindy must have some mighty long arms...
Did you notice how this time it was George who reached out and touched Cindy's thigh? What's up with that?  What is wrong with these people?
MMMMMm, they don't like wings?????   Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 09:42:21 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Hello Monkeys...

I heard this on Headline News tonight as well... when was this info released?  I had not heard this before...


This was new to me, too - I'm wondering what was behind that.
WOW..just WOW!! 
Tony sat in the SM forum thread made for him and stated how much he liked Caylee and having her around.  Never once did he mention this crap.
Is this a fact???

Was it that Tony or the cop Tony?  Is the cop Tony who she was talking to when she called Caylee a "snothead?"

Very good point, Mammy. I don't remember seeing anything about Tony L not wanting Caylee around. I do remember reading the messages that Tony R didn't want Casey to bring Caylee with her to his house.

Mammy, It was Tony the cop that she called Caylee a "snothead" to.  TonyL really liked Caylee but didn't think his apt was an appropriate place for her!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:42:43 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.
Colt I agree...but judging by the distance between them on that couch this morning...Cindy must have some mighty long arms...
Did you notice how this time it was George who reached out and touched Cindy's thigh? What's up with that?  What is wrong with these people?
One thing is definant in all of this, that house will never be a unit ever again.  From now on it will always be a house divided.  Wow what great roll models..bravo G & C..bravo  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Treehouse on October 23, 2008, 09:42:51 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.
Colt I agree...but judging by the distance between them on that couch this morning...Cindy must have some mighty long arms...
Did you notice how this time it was George who reached out and touched Cindy's thigh? What's up with that?  What is wrong with these people?

Yeah, she had craned her head around, face away from the camera, to look at him while he was talking. She turned back toward the camera and that is when I noticed his finger touching her outer thigh. They sure use a lot of hand signals.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: irishbosoxfan on October 23, 2008, 09:43:03 PM
Does anyone know what that radio transmission said--I couldn't understand it.
  I couldn't either.

Portion of Tape Transcript  (provided by C-COM or
Brunswick County Central Communications

Jones: 10-4(Affirmative): Show me out with three.
           Stand by, stand by please.
Jones: (spoke with mike keyed): "There ain't no reason to have a gun here on Bald Head Island, okay? You want to put down the gun, come on, do me the favor and put down the gun ...
(squelch at a high pitch frequency) ... Come on UGU..."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 23, 2008, 09:44:15 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.
Colt I agree...but judging by the distance between them on that couch this morning...Cindy must have some mighty long arms...
Did you notice how this time it was George who reached out and touched Cindy's thigh? What's up with that?  What is wrong with these people?

if the ice queen's fingers touched my thigh I would instantly go gay... and I mean so gay there's no hope ever of going back.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 23, 2008, 09:44:26 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Hello Monkeys...

I heard this on Headline News tonight as well... when was this info released?  I had not heard this before...


This was new to me, too - I'm wondering what was behind that.
WOW..just WOW!! 
Tony sat in the SM forum thread made for him and stated how much he liked Caylee and having her around.  Never once did he mention this crap.
Is this a fact???

Was it that Tony or the cop Tony?  Is the cop Tony who she was talking to when she called Caylee a "snothead?"

Very good point, Mammy. I don't remember seeing anything about Tony L not wanting Caylee around. I do remember reading the messages that Tony R didn't want Casey to bring Caylee with her to his house.

Mammy, It was Tony the cop that she called Caylee a "snothead" to.  TonyL really liked Caylee but didn't think his apt was an appropriate place for her!!

Thank you, but which one was NG talking about tonight?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 09:45:34 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.
Colt I agree...but judging by the distance between them on that couch this morning...Cindy must have some mighty long arms...
Did you notice how this time it was George who reached out and touched Cindy's thigh? What's up with that?  What is wrong with these people?

if the ice queen's fingers touched my thigh I would instantly go gay... and I mean so gay there's no hope ever of going back.
Oh my gosh!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mammy on October 23, 2008, 09:45:40 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.
Colt I agree...but judging by the distance between them on that couch this morning...Cindy must have some mighty long arms...
Did you notice how this time it was George who reached out and touched Cindy's thigh? What's up with that?  What is wrong with these people?

if the ice queen's fingers touched my thigh I would instantly go gay... and I mean so gay there's no hope ever of going back.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:45:46 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.
Colt I agree...but judging by the distance between them on that couch this morning...Cindy must have some mighty long arms...
Did you notice how this time it was George who reached out and touched Cindy's thigh? What's up with that?  What is wrong with these people?

if the ice queen's fingers touched my thigh I would instantly go gay... and I mean so gay there's no hope ever of going back.
::MonkeyShocked:: Not gonna touch this one...  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 23, 2008, 09:45:51 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Hello Monkeys...

I heard this on Headline News tonight as well... when was this info released?  I had not heard this before...


This was new to me, too - I'm wondering what was behind that.
WOW..just WOW!! 
Tony sat in the SM forum thread made for him and stated how much he liked Caylee and having her around.  Never once did he mention this crap.
Is this a fact???

Was it that Tony or the cop Tony?  Is the cop Tony who she was talking to when she called Caylee a "snothead?"

Very good point, Mammy. I don't remember seeing anything about Tony L not wanting Caylee around. I do remember reading the messages that Tony R didn't want Casey to bring Caylee with her to his house.

I do believe Tony L said generally speaking he didn't think it was a good idea for Caylee to sleep there.  I think this was in reference to his having roommates and the like.  Who knows maybe they smoked pot or whatever.  It was supposedly for her own good. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: irishbosoxfan on October 23, 2008, 09:48:17 PM
Hey how do we send emails to Dana with questions for his guests on the show?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: alleycat86 on October 23, 2008, 09:49:16 PM
Thank you, but which one was NG talking about tonight?
on ng they said tony l but like i said before this is only a rumor posed by a tabloid!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:49:51 PM
Cubbee, the picture of Caylee in your sig line is still my favorite by far.   Probably in nothing but a diaper or a pull-up.  I remember those days with my little one.   At that age, they just do little things (several times a day) that give you no choice but to grab them, hug them and hold onto them until they beg you to let them down so that they can play some more.

Nothing else like it.


I agree... I miss those days....
It is my favorite too... I actually have a pic of my son almost exactly like it....right before he tried to climb up on the barstool and pulled it over on him and screamed his head off...with the theme to The Young and the Restless playing in the backround....For real! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 09:49:54 PM
See I could see Casey doing this:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,443811,00.html

Florida Police Arrest 35 in Craigslist Prostitution Ring


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 09:50:18 PM
Hey how do we send emails to Dana with questions for his guests on the show?

dana@scaredmonkeys.com


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Treehouse on October 23, 2008, 09:50:19 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Hello Monkeys...

I heard this on Headline News tonight as well... when was this info released?  I had not heard this before...


This was new to me, too - I'm wondering what was behind that.
WOW..just WOW!! 
Tony sat in the SM forum thread made for him and stated how much he liked Caylee and having her around.  Never once did he mention this crap.
Is this a fact???

Was it that Tony or the cop Tony?  Is the cop Tony who she was talking to when she called Caylee a "snothead?"

Very good point, Mammy. I don't remember seeing anything about Tony L not wanting Caylee around. I do remember reading the messages that Tony R didn't want Casey to bring Caylee with her to his house.

I do believe Tony L said generally speaking he didn't think it was a good idea for Caylee to sleep there.  I think this was in reference to his having roommates and the like.  Who knows maybe they smoked pot or whatever.  It was supposedly for her own good. 

Well, this is slightly changing the topic, but I wondered why Tony L went off on a tirade about Clint being such a mooch, when, as far as I can tell, Casey was mooching, too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:50:44 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.
Colt I agree...but judging by the distance between them on that couch this morning...Cindy must have some mighty long arms...
Did you notice how this time it was George who reached out and touched Cindy's thigh? What's up with that?  What is wrong with these people?

if the ice queen's fingers touched my thigh I would instantly go gay... and I mean so gay there's no hope ever of going back.
::MonkeyShocked:: Not gonna touch this one...  ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: irishbosoxfan on October 23, 2008, 09:51:26 PM
Hey how do we send emails to Dana with questions for his guests on the show?

dana@scaredmonkeys.com

Thank You!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 23, 2008, 09:51:45 PM
I don't know why everyone is shocked over this.   It's been said for a while that Tony L didn't want Caylee to sleep there, he didn't think it was a good environment for her.  So if he reiterated it that night it makes scense. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 09:51:46 PM
Does anyone have alink to CA and GA new interview?

Please and TIA.

Casey Anthony's parents: Caylee is alive
Amy L. Edwards and Bianca Prieto | Sentinel Staff Writers
7:57 AM EDT, October 22, 2008
Today's updates


Anthonys believe they will find their granddaughter alive

7:42a.m. George and Cindy Anthony said on national television that they think their granddaughter, Caylee Marie, is still alive and have not given up hope, despite a first-degree murder indictment against their daughter, Casey.

The couple appeared on the Today Show this morning and were interviewed by Meredith Vieira.

George Anthony refused to answer questions about his subpoena to testify in front of a grand jury last week. "I cannot comment," he said.

Orange County officials announced last week that they think the child is dead and charged Casey Anthony with first-degree murder, among other charges, following the grand jury indictment. Cindy Anthony called the move another "tactic" to prevent her daughter's lawyers from viewing their evidence.

The evidence that points to a decomposing body in the back of Casey Anthony's car and traces of chloroform found in the same place have not been released yet to the public. Cindy Anthony thinks it's all circumstantial and can be disproved.

When Vieira asked George and Cindy if they are in denial about their granddaughter's death, they said no.

"My granddaughter is still alive," George Anthony said. "My granddaughter is still out there and we are going to find her."

Casey Anthony has been in jail since last Tuesday after being arrested on the side of an Orange County freeway. Her parents have not spoken to her since that day. Casey Anthony asked them to remain focused on finding Caylee, and keep the spotlight off of her, Cindy Anthony said to explain the reason they have not visited or spoken to her.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/orl-casey-anthony-102208,0,5736375.story


October 22, 2008
TODAY SHOW - CASEY ANTHONY'S PARENTS SPEAK OUT


Video:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/27318499#27318499


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:52:05 PM
See I could see Casey doing this:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,443811,00.html

Florida Police Arrest 35 in Craigslist Prostitution Ring

That is pretty desperate I must say... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe they got touched by the Ice Queen.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Colt45cal on October 23, 2008, 09:54:00 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.

Colt do you still talk to GA?  Is your opinion of him the same?  Just curious!

Yes, it has changed. But like I posted earlier....I still stand behind my earlier posts. I do this not because of ego, or the refusal to admit that I was wrong. (I've been wrong plenty of times!). I still feel George was being honest with me at the time. Now...he's not being honest to himself, especially in light of the growing case against his daughter.

I think George knows better. It's my opinion, he's just playing along with CA. More likely than not, everything's in CA's name. If he cuts out now (and he should), he would be left with very little. This make no difference....he needs to "Man up", and do what's right. He's a lost sole. Caylee was his world. Now...he has nothing.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 23, 2008, 09:54:34 PM
So on June 15th Casey gets in a fight with her mom, she wants to go to Tony's house but Tony says not with Caylee.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Hello Monkeys...

I heard this on Headline News tonight as well... when was this info released?  I had not heard this before...


This was new to me, too - I'm wondering what was behind that.
WOW..just WOW!! 
Tony sat in the SM forum thread made for him and stated how much he liked Caylee and having her around.  Never once did he mention this crap.
Is this a fact???

Was it that Tony or the cop Tony?  Is the cop Tony who she was talking to when she called Caylee a "snothead?"

Very good point, Mammy. I don't remember seeing anything about Tony L not wanting Caylee around. I do remember reading the messages that Tony R didn't want Casey to bring Caylee with her to his house.

I do believe Tony L said generally speaking he didn't think it was a good idea for Caylee to sleep there.  I think this was in reference to his having roommates and the like.  Who knows maybe they smoked pot or whatever.  It was supposedly for her own good. 

Well, this is slightly changing the topic, but I wondered why Tony L went off on a tirade about Clint being such a mooch, when, as far as I can tell, Casey was mooching, too.

He also seemed to use the F bomb unnecesarely on the forum, I thought that was a bit rude. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 09:55:25 PM
Thank you, but which one was NG talking about tonight?
on ng they said tony l but like i said before this is only a rumor posed by a tabloid!

No, this a fact!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 09:57:16 PM
Then Mark Williams - on the Cayle Anthony case:

(http://www.webwiseforradio.com/site_files/351/Image/Mark-KickAss01.jpg)

and Leonard Padilla


(http://www.eyesofargus.net/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/05/bishopofthehomelesspadilla.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 23, 2008, 09:57:44 PM
I don't know why everyone is shocked over this.   It's been said for a while that Tony L didn't want Caylee to sleep there, he didn't think it was a good environment for her.  So if he reiterated it that night it makes scense. 

I don't think an apartment full of young people who smoke pot and drink is a good environment for a kid either. At least it seems he had the good sense to tell her that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 09:58:29 PM
I don't know why everyone is shocked over this.   It's been said for a while that Tony L didn't want Caylee to sleep there, he didn't think it was a good environment for her.  So if he reiterated it that night it makes scense. 

I don't think an apartment full of young people who smoke pot and drink is a good environment for a kid either. At least it seems he had the good sense to tell her that.


Such a shame the boyfriend had to tell her that....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: alleycat86 on October 23, 2008, 09:58:29 PM
Well, this is slightly changing the topic, but I wondered why Tony L went off on a tirade about Clint being such a mooch, when, as far as I can tell, Casey was mooching, too.
but remember casey was bringing him groceries, cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry for him.. so he probably didnt see her as a mooch.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Treehouse on October 23, 2008, 09:58:37 PM
I don't know why everyone is shocked over this.   It's been said for a while that Tony L didn't want Caylee to sleep there, he didn't think it was a good environment for her.  So if he reiterated it that night it makes scense. 

So Casey took his good intentions and twisted them into a motive for getting rid of her child?

Motive.

There it is.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 23, 2008, 09:59:05 PM
Then Mark Williams - on the Cayle Anthony case:

(http://www.webwiseforradio.com/site_files/351/Image/Mark-KickAss01.jpg)

and Leonard Padilla


(http://www.eyesofargus.net/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/05/bishopofthehomelesspadilla.jpg)
I dont understand.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 10:00:22 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.

Colt do you still talk to GA?  Is your opinion of him the same?  Just curious!

Yes, it has changed. But like I posted earlier....I still stand behind my earlier posts. I do this not because of ego, or the refusal to admit that I was wrong. (I've been wrong plenty of times!). I still feel George was being honest with me at the time. Now...he's not being honest to himself, especially in light of the growing case against his daughter.

I think George knows better. It's my opinion, he's just playing along with CA. More likely than not, everything's in CA's name. If he cuts out now (and he should), he would be left with very little. This make no difference....he needs to "Man up", and do what's right. He's a lost sole. Caylee was his world. Now...he has nothing.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you for answering me.  For whatever reason, I am never on when you are! LOL  I have went back and read some of your posts though.  Yes, I totally agree with you about him having nothing.  But either does she.  He was one that wasted so much money on internet gambling.  I seriously wonder if he suffers from "abused husband" syndrome. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 10:00:48 PM
I don't know why everyone is shocked over this.   It's been said for a while that Tony L didn't want Caylee to sleep there, he didn't think it was a good environment for her.  So if he reiterated it that night it makes scense. 

So Casey took his good intentions and twisted them into a motive for getting rid of her child?

Motive.

There it is.
Bingo Bingo Bingo!!!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Dana on October 23, 2008, 10:01:00 PM
I don't know why everyone is shocked over this.   It's been said for a while that Tony L didn't want Caylee to sleep there, he didn't think it was a good environment for her.  So if he reiterated it that night it makes scense. 

So Casey took his good intentions and twisted them into a motive for getting rid of her child?

Motive.

There it is.

let me know asap if you want to call in to the show at the end please do
306-842-7884
i will stay onn for a few minutes if you want to call in
 you dont have to i am just making the offer


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: irishbosoxfan on October 23, 2008, 10:01:03 PM

I dont understand.

They're on Scared Monkeys radio--Mark is on now--Leonard is up next


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 23, 2008, 10:01:17 PM
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1436

The Casey Anthony Saga: Where Is Lee? What Does Walters Think? What About Chloroform?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Treehouse on October 23, 2008, 10:01:18 PM
Well, this is slightly changing the topic, but I wondered why Tony L went off on a tirade about Clint being such a mooch, when, as far as I can tell, Casey was mooching, too.
but remember casey was bringing him groceries, cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry for him.. so he probably didnt see her as a mooch.

And supposedly Clint got Tony in with Fusion for the work...but Tony says Clint is a liar.

Casey is a liar.   

guess tony didn't want to sleep with Clint.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: alleycat86 on October 23, 2008, 10:01:44 PM
Thank you, but which one was NG talking about tonight?
on ng they said tony l but like i said before this is only a rumor posed by a tabloid!

No, this a fact!!

he stated he didnt think it was a place for caylee but what i'm saying is its getting crossed over with the theory posed by the globe.



DREW PETRIMOULX, WDBO: Yes, one of the theories was actually printed in "The Globe," and that states that on June 15, that Casey got in a fight with her parents. She left her house and wanted to go to Tony Lazzaro (ph), her boyfriend`s, house. He said that she could come, but not with Caylee. So the theory is that she placed Caylee in the trunk with a chloroform rag close to her, and basically, overnight that she succumbed and died from the chloroform, then actually drove around for about 11 days with the body in the trunk.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/22/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 10:02:07 PM
Dolce - they are both on Dana Pretzer tonight. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sal on October 23, 2008, 10:03:22 PM
he he....everytime I see that picture of Leonard.  I hear that Cowboy whistle in my head.  You know the one when the cowboy walks into town and it's all empty but there is about to be a showdown. LOL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Treehouse on October 23, 2008, 10:04:20 PM
I don't know why everyone is shocked over this.   It's been said for a while that Tony L didn't want Caylee to sleep there, he didn't think it was a good environment for her.  So if he reiterated it that night it makes scense. 

So Casey took his good intentions and twisted them into a motive for getting rid of her child?

Motive.

There it is.

let me know asap if you want to call in to the show at the end please do
306-842-7884
i will stay onn for a few minutes if you want to call in
 you dont have to i am just making the offer

Thanks, Dana. But I would not be able to put a sentence together. My fingers can type, but my mind would freeze!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hiding Monkey on October 23, 2008, 10:05:25 PM
Say guys, what position did GA hold in Ohio with LE?  Anyone know?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 10:05:34 PM
Well, this is slightly changing the topic, but I wondered why Tony L went off on a tirade about Clint being such a mooch, when, as far as I can tell, Casey was mooching, too.
but remember casey was bringing him groceries, cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry for him.. so he probably didnt see her as a mooch.

Even though all of the stuff she brought over was actually paid for by Amy, since he didn't know that at the time, I can see why he didn't consider her a mooch.   She was motivated and trying to insinuate herself further into his life and home.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: txlisa on October 23, 2008, 10:06:28 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.
Colt I agree...but judging by the distance between them on that couch this morning...Cindy must have some mighty long arms...
Did you notice how this time it was George who reached out and touched Cindy's thigh? What's up with that?  What is wrong with these people?

if the ice queen's fingers touched my thigh I would instantly go gay... and I mean so gay there's no hope ever of going back.

That evil look of hers scares the crap outta me!  Do you remember the pic of her staring into the camera and pointing that bony finger of hers?   ::MonkeyShocked::

Lisa


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 23, 2008, 10:06:34 PM
Say guys, what position did GA hold in Ohio with LE?  Anyone know?

I remember either George or his brother Rick saying he was a Homicide Investigator.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 10:07:02 PM
Well, this is slightly changing the topic, but I wondered why Tony L went off on a tirade about Clint being such a mooch, when, as far as I can tell, Casey was mooching, too.
but remember casey was bringing him groceries, cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry for him.. so he probably didnt see her as a mooch.

Even though all of the stuff she brought over was actually paid for by Amy, since he didn't know that at the time, I can see why he didn't consider her a mooch.   She was motivated and trying to insinuate herself further into his life and home.


And he thought she had a job...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 10:07:36 PM
Well, this is slightly changing the topic, but I wondered why Tony L went off on a tirade about Clint being such a mooch, when, as far as I can tell, Casey was mooching, too.
but remember casey was bringing him groceries, cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry for him.. so he probably didnt see her as a mooch.

Even though all of the stuff she brought over was actually paid for by Amy, since he didn't know that at the time, I can see why he didn't consider her a mooch.   She was motivated and trying to insinuate herself further into his life and home.
But he was like so many guys, he didn't want the whole package, and probably the more she did, housekeeping, food, etc, the more he backed away.  He didn't want a wife, he didn't want a Momma, he didn't want a family!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 10:07:59 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.
Colt I agree...but judging by the distance between them on that couch this morning...Cindy must have some mighty long arms...
Did you notice how this time it was George who reached out and touched Cindy's thigh? What's up with that?  What is wrong with these people?

if the ice queen's fingers touched my thigh I would instantly go gay... and I mean so gay there's no hope ever of going back.

That evil look of hers scares the crap outta me!  Do you remember the pic of her staring into the camera and pointing that bony finger of hers?   ::MonkeyShocked::

Lisa


the one with the hammer in her other hand???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 10:08:06 PM
Taped interview with Leonard.

Call in after LP interview 306-842-7884


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 10:08:31 PM
Well, this is slightly changing the topic, but I wondered why Tony L went off on a tirade about Clint being such a mooch, when, as far as I can tell, Casey was mooching, too.
but remember casey was bringing him groceries, cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry for him.. so he probably didnt see her as a mooch.

Even though all of the stuff she brought over was actually paid for by Amy, since he didn't know that at the time, I can see why he didn't consider her a mooch.   She was motivated and trying to insinuate herself further into his life and home.


And he thought she had a job...

I think TonyL was really mad about Clints interview with Greta! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 10:09:06 PM
LP:  Hoping there will be at least 2000 people in the area searching.   Want to stretch a line of people and makes some sweeps through the areas.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 23, 2008, 10:09:14 PM
Goodnight Monkeys!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 10:09:16 PM
Taped interview with Leonard.

Call in after LP interview 306-842-7884

My phone is dead.... I wanna know if Dog and Bethie are coming..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 10:09:30 PM
Well, this is slightly changing the topic, but I wondered why Tony L went off on a tirade about Clint being such a mooch, when, as far as I can tell, Casey was mooching, too.
but remember casey was bringing him groceries, cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry for him.. so he probably didnt see her as a mooch.

Even though all of the stuff she brought over was actually paid for by Amy, since he didn't know that at the time, I can see why he didn't consider her a mooch.   She was motivated and trying to insinuate herself further into his life and home.
But he was like so many guys, he didn't want the whole package, and probably the more she did, housekeeping, food, etc, the more he backed away.  He didn't want a wife, he didn't want a Momma, he didn't want a family!!!

I hear he really really liked her!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Hiding Monkey on October 23, 2008, 10:09:38 PM
Say guys, what position did GA hold in Ohio with LE?  Anyone know?

I remember either George or his brother Rick saying he was a Homicide Investigator.
  Thanks, marymary!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 23, 2008, 10:09:48 PM
Watching NG...why do they have to go into the full explanation of how to make Chloroform,  it's ridiculous.  Giving people ideas.  Why???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: lula on October 23, 2008, 10:10:05 PM
Say guys, what position did GA hold in Ohio with LE?  Anyone know?

I remember either George or his brother Rick saying he was a Homicide Investigator.

That's pretty scarey, how long did he hold that position I wonder?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hiding Monkey on October 23, 2008, 10:10:30 PM
Goodnight Monkeys!
nite mammy!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 10:10:35 PM
Goodnight Monkeys!
Goodnight


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 10:10:42 PM
Goodnight Monkeys!

goodnight Mammy, sorry I didn't watch Ng yet!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Treehouse on October 23, 2008, 10:11:25 PM
Well, this is slightly changing the topic, but I wondered why Tony L went off on a tirade about Clint being such a mooch, when, as far as I can tell, Casey was mooching, too.
but remember casey was bringing him groceries, cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry for him.. so he probably didnt see her as a mooch.

Even though all of the stuff she brought over was actually paid for by Amy, since he didn't know that at the time, I can see why he didn't consider her a mooch.   She was motivated and trying to insinuate herself further into his life and home.
But he was like so many guys, he didn't want the whole package, and probably the more she did, housekeeping, food, etc, the more he backed away.  He didn't want a wife, he didn't want a Momma, he didn't want a family!!!

I hear he really really liked her!!!!

And I never heard him correct his friend "Shawn" in the police interview when Shawn kept saying, "No,man, you didn't want to talk to her..."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 10:11:45 PM
Say guys, what position did GA hold in Ohio with LE?  Anyone know?

I remember either George or his brother Rick saying he was a Homicide Investigator.
  Thanks, marymary!

I don't think he was, from what i read!  Sorry mm!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hiding Monkey on October 23, 2008, 10:12:45 PM
I heard earlier tonight (possibly on NG) that George told someone that he was tired of all the lies.  Anyone else hear this?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 23, 2008, 10:12:45 PM
I am going to express an unpopular opionin, then slink away to watch NG.
Doesn't the number of volunteers seems excessive ?
I am thinking that we are sure the kiddo is passed.
Wouldn't the money / resources / efforts be better spent on the newly missing ?
An effort where an alive recovery might be a result ?
Or better yet, spend he money on laive children who are in need ?
...
The family for whatever reasons, do not want a recovery of a dead body as if there is one, KC stays in jail longer. I am beginning to not care if they find Caylee at all. At this point, months into this, she is in heaven, regardless where her mortal reamins are. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 10:12:45 PM
Well, this is slightly changing the topic, but I wondered why Tony L went off on a tirade about Clint being such a mooch, when, as far as I can tell, Casey was mooching, too.
but remember casey was bringing him groceries, cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry for him.. so he probably didnt see her as a mooch.

Even though all of the stuff she brought over was actually paid for by Amy, since he didn't know that at the time, I can see why he didn't consider her a mooch.   She was motivated and trying to insinuate herself further into his life and home.
But he was like so many guys, he didn't want the whole package, and probably the more she did, housekeeping, food, etc, the more he backed away.  He didn't want a wife, he didn't want a Momma, he didn't want a family!!!

I hear he really really liked her!!!!
He probably did but he was young, a lot of guys don't want to raise another mans baby no matter now adorable she is.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 23, 2008, 10:14:07 PM
BTgirl, did you hear Dana call you out. He gave you a hug on the radio!  ::MonkeyTongue::

Oh man! I missed it cause I got a phone call! Darn!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: numbersgirl on October 23, 2008, 10:14:46 PM
Say guys, what position did GA hold in Ohio with LE?  Anyone know?

He was a Deputy with Trumbull County Sheriff's Department.   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 10:15:28 PM
Well, this is slightly changing the topic, but I wondered why Tony L went off on a tirade about Clint being such a mooch, when, as far as I can tell, Casey was mooching, too.
but remember casey was bringing him groceries, cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry for him.. so he probably didnt see her as a mooch.

Even though all of the stuff she brought over was actually paid for by Amy, since he didn't know that at the time, I can see why he didn't consider her a mooch.   She was motivated and trying to insinuate herself further into his life and home.
But he was like so many guys, he didn't want the whole package, and probably the more she did, housekeeping, food, etc, the more he backed away.  He didn't want a wife, he didn't want a Momma, he didn't want a family!!!

I hear he really really liked her!!!!
He probably did but he was young, a lot of guys don't want to raise another mans baby no matter now adorable she is.

Yeah but he knew before he even met here.  They met on facebook(? I think) and had already made an emotional connection.  He believed that had so much in common.  She agreed with everything he said!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 23, 2008, 10:15:31 PM
Say guys, what position did GA hold in Ohio with LE?  Anyone know?

I remember either George or his brother Rick saying he was a Homicide Investigator.
  Thanks, marymary!

I don't think he was, from what i read!  Sorry mm!!

But George had an ID it's in the house somewhere, maybe next to Casey's Universal ID.  j/k  But do you really think George would lie.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hiding Monkey on October 23, 2008, 10:15:36 PM
I am going to express an unpopular opionin, then slink away to watch NG.
Doesn't the number of volunteers seems excessive ?
I am thinking that we are sure the kiddo is passed.
Wouldn't the money / resources / efforts be better spent on the newly missing ?
An effort where an alive recovery might be a result ?
Or better yet, spend he money on laive children who are in need ?
...
The family for whatever reasons, do not want a recovery of a dead body as if there is one, KC stays in jail longer. I am beginning to not care if they find Caylee at all. At this point, months into this, she is in heaven, regardless where her mortal reamins are. 
  I think it's a combined search for Jennifer Kesse also.  I think a recovery would help the families so I'm all for it.  I do agree that effort for newly missing, alive recovery and children are all important too.  With us all aware of these needs we should all be reaching out to help anywhere we can.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Colt45cal on October 23, 2008, 10:15:53 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.

Colt do you still talk to GA?  Is your opinion of him the same?  Just curious!

Yes, it has changed. But like I posted earlier....I still stand behind my earlier posts. I do this not because of ego, or the refusal to admit that I was wrong. (I've been wrong plenty of times!). I still feel George was being honest with me at the time. Now...he's not being honest to himself, especially in light of the growing case against his daughter.

I think George knows better. It's my opinion, he's just playing along with CA. More likely than not, everything's in CA's name. If he cuts out now (and he should), he would be left with very little. This make no difference....he needs to "Man up", and do what's right. He's a lost sole. Caylee was his world. Now...he has nothing.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you for answering me.  For whatever reason, I am never on when you are! LOL  I have went back and read some of your posts though.  Yes, I totally agree with you about him having nothing.  But neither does she.  He was one that wasted so much money on internet gambling.  I seriously wonder if he suffers from "abused husband" syndrome. 

This is where we dsagree. CA does have something. She has the camera on her, and I think she likes it. She plays it like a fine fiddle. She think this will be her meal ticket.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: alleycat86 on October 23, 2008, 10:16:52 PM
I hear he really really liked her!!!!
He probably did but he was young, a lot of guys don't want to raise another mans baby no matter now adorable she is.
yeah i agree. really liking her doesnt equal ready to settle down with her and her baby


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 10:17:40 PM
Well, this is slightly changing the topic, but I wondered why Tony L went off on a tirade about Clint being such a mooch, when, as far as I can tell, Casey was mooching, too.
but remember casey was bringing him groceries, cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry for him.. so he probably didnt see her as a mooch.

Even though all of the stuff she brought over was actually paid for by Amy, since he didn't know that at the time, I can see why he didn't consider her a mooch.   She was motivated and trying to insinuate herself further into his life and home.
But he was like so many guys, he didn't want the whole package, and probably the more she did, housekeeping, food, etc, the more he backed away.  He didn't want a wife, he didn't want a Momma, he didn't want a family!!!

I hear he really really liked her!!!!
He probably did but he was young, a lot of guys don't want to raise another mans baby no matter now adorable she is.

Yeah but he knew before he even met here.  They met on facebook(? I think) and had already made an emotional connection.  He believed that had so much in common.  She agreed with everything he said!
I don't know, as Dolce always says, "BOYS"!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 10:18:31 PM
I am going to express an unpopular opionin, then slink away to watch NG.
Doesn't the number of volunteers seems excessive ?
I am thinking that we are sure the kiddo is passed.
Wouldn't the money / resources / efforts be better spent on the newly missing ?
An effort where an alive recovery might be a result ?
Or better yet, spend he money on laive children who are in need ?
...
The family for whatever reasons, do not want a recovery of a dead body as if there is one, KC stays in jail longer. I am beginning to not care if they find Caylee at all. At this point, months into this, she is in heaven, regardless where her mortal reamins are. 

I have felt this way too.  But if LE can find more evidence, then I hope she is found.  Also, when I thought about any of my family members laying somewhere unkown, It made me want her found even more.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 23, 2008, 10:19:51 PM
I am going to express an unpopular opionin, then slink away to watch NG.
Doesn't the number of volunteers seems excessive ?
I am thinking that we are sure the kiddo is passed.
Wouldn't the money / resources / efforts be better spent on the newly missing ?
An effort where an alive recovery might be a result ?
Or better yet, spend he money on laive children who are in need ?
...
The family for whatever reasons, do not want a recovery of a dead body as if there is one, KC stays in jail longer. I am beginning to not care if they find Caylee at all. At this point, months into this, she is in heaven, regardless where her mortal reamins are. 

I think it may be a matter of principle to most...and justice for Caylee who's own family refuses to help. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TOY on October 23, 2008, 10:20:06 PM
Well, I tried to bring a post from the old cage but couldn't.  It was written in jest but still sparked some "what ifs" in my mind.

It started with someone's comment about George saying it wasn't his granddaughter in the trunk.  Then in jest someone mentioned the Anthony's own body farm.

Here are my questions:  If Casey really did have a miscarriage, would there be a record of it or could nurse-mom Cindy take care of it at home?  If there was a miscarriage (say at home), are there any restrictions or guidelines for disposal?  At what age before birth can sex be determined?

As picky as George is about his yard, the "dent" has always seemed strange to me.  He seems like the sort who would have filled in a "dent" so that the yard would look manicured.

If Casey did miscarry, if it was a boy, if there are no laws restricting disposal, is it possible?  Wouldn't the DNA from the fluids be quite similar to Caylee's?

At this point, almost anything is possible and sometimes "truth is stranger than fiction."

Another thing I found hard to reconcile was the report of Caylee being so distraught that she missed about an hour and a half of the party.  This does not sound like the party girl we've heard about.  Also, having an emotional "outburst" really doesn't sound like the cool, calm, and collected Casey. 

Off the wall?  Oh yes, but I was bored with housework...lol

This post is 99% "no way" with just a bit of "I wonder" thrown in. However, I wouldn't place any bets on it...lol



You're not alone- I too have reached FAR and WIDE in my brain for some kind of explanation- and have thought about the possibility of a miscarriage- possibly stored in a freezer until it could be decided by the family what to do with the fetus, possibly it happening in the yard, then they transported in the trunk. etc etc etc... but I know in my heart they are absurdities and think the only reason I speculate about things like that is because I can't deal with the horrific outcome that the evidence implies. I love my son more than anything in this whole world- and cherish him and I will never be able to understand why some parents purposefully endanger, neglect and kill their children.

P.S. the answer to your question about determining sex of a child- I know that through ultrasound it is usually between 16-20 weeks but have heard as early as 12 weeks w/sophisticated equipment- not sure of what it would be if actually viewing the baby with the naked eye

Kerry Jean, I'm just glad you aren't recommending a padded cell for me...lol

I think you may be right about my brain trying to come up with alternate endings to this story.  Every bit of logic I've ever "hoped" to have is telling me Caylee is deceased but my heart absolutely does not want to accept that at all.  I'm not in denial in the same way George and Cindy are but I still am hoping even though I know it's futile.  I know it but I don't want to believe it if that makes sense.  Thanks for answering.

IF she miscarried and they were able to extract DNA from the remains, they should have been able to determine gender of the fetus.  Sadly, I've miscarried several times and have had genetic testing done after each D&C and the lab was able to determine the gender of each baby.  From my understanding in a lab, gender can be determined with blood and tissue samples in VERY early pregnancy.  After 10 weeks gestation, you can order a kit offline that can tell you the gender with 82% accuracy.

If the baby was a boy, they would be able to tell from DNA that he was Caylee's brother.

A lot of miscarriages happen at home and most women have no need to see a doctor for it unless there are other complications or unless you're seeing a specialist for fertility treatments.  Also, if it was an early loss, there wouldn't have really been any remains to bury.

I don't feel that this theory is plausible, but I agree with you.  I know what the truth is, but it's so hard to believe it.

I think that my struggle with fertility treatments and multiple losses is what makes me so mad about this whole situation.  There are many people in this world (myself included) who would anything to have a healthy, beautiful child like Caylee.  It breaks my heart to think that KC possibly "disposed" of Caylee because she was an inconvience.

Jenni, I'm so sorry for your losses.  I can only imagine the hurt after the excitement of finding out you were pregnant. We've never had children primarily because we married later in life so I don't know very much about gestation. I agree with you though...and using her own words...giving the gift of Caylee to Casey was a "waste, huge waste."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 10:20:55 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.

Colt do you still talk to GA?  Is your opinion of him the same?  Just curious!

Yes, it has changed. But like I posted earlier....I still stand behind my earlier posts. I do this not because of ego, or the refusal to admit that I was wrong. (I've been wrong plenty of times!). I still feel George was being honest with me at the time. Now...he's not being honest to himself, especially in light of the growing case against his daughter.

I think George knows better. It's my opinion, he's just playing along with CA. More likely than not, everything's in CA's name. If he cuts out now (and he should), he would be left with very little. This make no difference....he needs to "Man up", and do what's right. He's a lost sole. Caylee was his world. Now...he has nothing.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you for answering me.  For whatever reason, I am never on when you are! LOL  I have went back and read some of your posts though.  Yes, I totally agree with you about him having nothing.  But neither does she.  He was one that wasted so much money on internet gambling.  I seriously wonder if he suffers from "abused husband" syndrome. 

This is where we dsagree. CA does have something. She has the camera on her, and I think she likes it. She plays it like a fine fiddle. She think this will be her meal ticket.

Yes, but Florida is a community property state.  They will spil everything 50/50.  He can even go after her retirement.  She was the bread winner in that family.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 10:21:42 PM
Did someone post what Casey could buy in the pokey????   I missed it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mary on October 23, 2008, 10:21:42 PM
When Cindy called the meeting at her house that Annie was talking about
in her tex messages to her friends, at that point had all those friends of Casey's
given statements to LE. I'm wondering if Cindy can be charged with tampering
with witnesses. Also the only person that says that Casey went to Jessie's for
a shower was themselves, maybe Jessie helped her with something else. I found
his father very weird and has far to much to say for a guy just trying to protect
his son who is not a young teenie bopper and should be able to speak for himself.
Very early, Mr Grund said him and Casey use to have long talks at his house. I
wonder what she talked to him about.  Cindy I would bet!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: txlisa on October 23, 2008, 10:23:40 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.
Colt I agree...but judging by the distance between them on that couch this morning...Cindy must have some mighty long arms...
Did you notice how this time it was George who reached out and touched Cindy's thigh? What's up with that?  What is wrong with these people?

if the ice queen's fingers touched my thigh I would instantly go gay... and I mean so gay there's no hope ever of going back.

That evil look of hers scares the crap outta me!  Do you remember the pic of her staring into the camera and pointing that bony finger of hers?   ::MonkeyShocked::

Lisa


the one with the hammer in her other hand???

Yes!  That one!

Lisa


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 10:23:41 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.

Colt do you still talk to GA?  Is your opinion of him the same?  Just curious!

Yes, it has changed. But like I posted earlier....I still stand behind my earlier posts. I do this not because of ego, or the refusal to admit that I was wrong. (I've been wrong plenty of times!). I still feel George was being honest with me at the time. Now...he's not being honest to himself, especially in light of the growing case against his daughter.

I think George knows better. It's my opinion, he's just playing along with CA. More likely than not, everything's in CA's name. If he cuts out now (and he should), he would be left with very little. This make no difference....he needs to "Man up", and do what's right. He's a lost sole. Caylee was his world. Now...he has nothing.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you for answering me.  For whatever reason, I am never on when you are! LOL  I have went back and read some of your posts though.  Yes, I totally agree with you about him having nothing.  But neither does she.  He was one that wasted so much money on internet gambling.  I seriously wonder if he suffers from "abused husband" syndrome. 

This is where we dsagree. CA does have something. She has the camera on her, and I think she likes it. She plays it like a fine fiddle. She think this will be her meal ticket.

Yes, but Florida is a community property state.  They will split everything 50/50.  He can even go after her retirement.  She was the bread winner in that family.

edit  - Also, IMO, she doesn't play it like a fine fiddle but more like a time bomb!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Steel Monkey on October 23, 2008, 10:26:26 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.

Colt - that is quite a turnaround comment coming from you.  Change of position?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: numbersgirl on October 23, 2008, 10:28:06 PM
Say guys, what position did GA hold in Ohio with LE?  Anyone know?

I remember either George or his brother Rick saying he was a Homicide Investigator.
  Thanks, marymary!

I don't think he was, from what i read!  Sorry mm!!

But George had an ID it's in the house somewhere, maybe next to Casey's Universal ID.  j/k  But do you really think George would lie.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here are links to Youngstown Vindicator and Warren Tribune stories regarding George's local LE experience.
http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/508668.html
http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/jul/27/family-of-missing-child-has-valley-ties/


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 10:28:38 PM
Wreck email please.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mary on October 23, 2008, 10:30:04 PM
I don't think he was in homicide and not look as stupid as he appears to be.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 10:30:19 PM
Say guys, what position did GA hold in Ohio with LE?  Anyone know?

I remember either George or his brother Rick saying he was a Homicide Investigator.
  Thanks, marymary!

I don't think he was, from what i read!  Sorry mm!!

But George had an ID it's in the house somewhere, maybe next to Casey's Universal ID.  j/k  But do you really think George would lie.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here are links to Youngstown Vindicator and Warren Tribune stories regarding George's local LE experience.
http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/508668.html
http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/jul/27/family-of-missing-child-has-valley-ties/

No i know he was with LE just not a homocide detective!  NO, he would not lie.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 23, 2008, 10:31:13 PM
is anyone watching Girdle?

what is it with her compulsion to dress like a kid on his Bar Mitzvah day?

I don't get this at all...

she is whhhhack!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Treehouse on October 23, 2008, 10:31:30 PM
Colt, I just read up on your emblem. Were you in the Air Rescue Service? They were still in operation in Vietnam, right?  Interesting stuff.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 10:33:31 PM
Colt, I just read up on your emblem. Were you in the Air Rescue Service? They were still in operation in Vietnam, right?  Interesting stuff.

Treehouse, it's nice to see you around.  You were the first to welcome me here and I always keep an eye out for your name.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 10:35:59 PM
ANTHONY RUCIANO

Can somebody direct me to Anthony Ruciano's text message or ... the "snot head" exchange in Casey's text messages.

Thank you.

Janet

++++++

Police Release Tapes In Case Of Missing Girl
posted 3:00 pm Mon September 29, 2008
-

Police say this bizarre instant message exchange, between Casey and her ex-boyfriend Anthony Ruciano suggests Caylee may have been in the way of their relationship.

Casey writes, "Ha, want me to bring the little snot head?" Didn't think so."

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0908/557397.html


NANCY GRACE
Information Found on Casey Anthony`s Computer Released
Aired September 26, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: ... in a conversation and IM chat with Anthony Ruciano (ph) -- and this is the police officer who was let go from his job because he lied about having a relationship with Casey Anthony. In this conversation, Casey refers to Caylee as a "little snot head." And that`s the latest.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/26/ng.01.html




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Treehouse on October 23, 2008, 10:36:09 PM
Colt, I just read up on your emblem. Were you in the Air Rescue Service? They were still in operation in Vietnam, right?  Interesting stuff.

Treehouse, it's nice to see you around.  You were the first to welcome me here and I always keep an eye out for your name.

Well, I didn't start posting here until just before you did. So, we are both relative newbies. I still love that cute puppy. Nice to see you, too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: alleycat86 on October 23, 2008, 10:36:59 PM
I heard earlier tonight (possibly on NG) that George told someone that he was tired of all the lies.  Anyone else hear this?
i heard that too it was the first time i've ever heard about it if i can recall.. caught my attention, but not sure what it was about now  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 10:37:34 PM
I am glad that Dana told NG to be nicer to Mark Williams but I really wished he included Tim Miller too.    Anyway, great show Dana!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: numbersgirl on October 23, 2008, 10:39:38 PM
is anyone watching Girdle?

what is it with her compulsion to dress like a kid on his Bar Mitzvah day?

I don't get this at all...

she is whhhhack!

Hey Rob...I just noticed you're a "Monkey AllStar"....I've always thought you were a really great Monkey...but what did you do to achieve
"AllStar" status????   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Young monkeys need to learn  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 23, 2008, 10:40:09 PM
I am glad that Dana told NG to be nicer to Mark Williams but I really wished he included Tim Miller too.    Anyway, great show Dana!!

i am too! i was thinking about sending her a link to the show  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 10:41:58 PM
I heard earlier tonight (possibly on NG) that George told someone that he was tired of all the lies.  Anyone else hear this?


NANCY GRACE
Casey`s On-Line Searches for Chloroform Recipes
Aired October 22, 2008 - 20:00:00 
  ET

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: They`re confused in their own minds as to what they want to believe. Just a week ago, I got a document that says that they just -- Cindy formed a new nonprofit organization to accept funds for the search.

And while we were back there one night, George was telling his friend, the -- that was a cop also up in Warren, Ohio, that he was tired of living the lie. He couldn`t take it anymore. And that was just back in the latter part of August.  

So they know the child is dead. They`re just trying to make the best of it and cope with it. And here`s a way to possibly pick up some defense money for their daughter by forming a -- a nonprofit, and taking in funds, because some of the other organizations have been found to be taking funds and misusing them.

And now they`re faced with -- the reality that their daughter has been charged with murder, and what are we going to do? Well, the next best thing is to keep her -- keep hope alive, have people send money in, and the only thing that`s doing is taking it away from Tim Miller, and -- and the real search.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/22/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 10:43:33 PM
Im going to go check the doors and go to bed.  I got up the other morning, got coffee, and the garage door was wide open!!!  I mean, come in Boogie Man, coffee????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Colt45cal on October 23, 2008, 10:44:38 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.

Colt do you still talk to GA?  Is your opinion of him the same?  Just curious!

Yes, it has changed. But like I posted earlier....I still stand behind my earlier posts. I do this not because of ego, or the refusal to admit that I was wrong. (I've been wrong plenty of times!). I still feel George was being honest with me at the time. Now...he's not being honest to himself, especially in light of the growing case against his daughter.

I think George knows better. It's my opinion, he's just playing along with CA. More likely than not, everything's in CA's name. If he cuts out now (and he should), he would be left with very little. This make no difference....he needs to "Man up", and do what's right. He's a lost sole. Caylee was his world. Now...he has nothing.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you for answering me.  For whatever reason, I am never on when you are! LOL  I have went back and read some of your posts though.  Yes, I totally agree with you about him having nothing.  But neither does she.  He was one that wasted so much money on internet gambling.  I seriously wonder if he suffers from "abused husband" syndrome. 

This is where we dsagree. CA does have something. She has the camera on her, and I think she likes it. She plays it like a fine fiddle. She think this will be her meal ticket.

Yes, but Florida is a community property state.  They will split everything 50/50.  He can even go after her retirement.  She was the bread winner in that family.

edit  - Also, IMO, she doesn't play it like a fine fiddle but more like a time bomb!!

You're correct. And it's ticking...........


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 10:45:00 PM
is anyone watching Girdle?

what is it with her compulsion to dress like a kid on his Bar Mitzvah day?

I don't get this at all...

she is whhhhack!

Hey Rob...I just noticed you're a "Monkey AllStar"....I've always thought you were a really great Monkey...but what did you do to achieve
"AllStar" status????   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Young monkeys need to learn  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

After 10,000 posts you are an "AllStar"  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  And that's just since the new forum, huh Rob...lolol  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: alleycat86 on October 23, 2008, 10:45:50 PM
Im going to go check the doors and go to bed.  I got up the other morning, got coffee, and the garage door was wide open!!!  I mean, come in Boogie Man, coffee????

 ::MonkeyShocked:: be careful fellow cat! goodnight


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 10:45:53 PM
Im going to go check the doors and go to bed.  I got up the other morning, got coffee, and the garage door was wide open!!!  I mean, come in Boogie Man, coffee????

Goodnight Always 1, stay safe!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: guideposts on October 23, 2008, 10:47:00 PM
My notes on Tony Rusciano

11/8/07 8:00pm Casey Anthony wrote to Tony Rusciano (the cop that was fired for lying about knowing Casey)
so screw working next friday. your happy ass better be at jesse's party!

5/6/08 2:08pm Casey Anthony wrote to Tony Rusciano (the cop that was fired for lying about knowing Casey)
it's only been 3 weeks, you pussy.
and seriously, the next time you call me snowflake, i'm going to smack ya.
i do have a tan now, thank you very much.

5/6/08 2:17pm Casey Anthony wrote to Tony Rusciano (the cop that was fired for lying about knowing Casey)
sugarplum? aw. you melt my heart.


5/6/08 2:22pm Casey Anthony wrote to Tony Rusciano (the cop that was fired for lying about knowing Casey)
mission accomplished.

6/1/08 Casey & Rusciano stop communicating

8/22/08 Deputy Anthony Rusciano fired after investigators said that he lied about a relationship he had with Casey Anthony.  "When investigators contacted Deputy Rusciano by telephone, Deputy Rusciano admitted that he had met the individual for a very brief moment at a party they both attended," wrote Chief Frank Fabrizio. "Deputy Rusciano denied ever having any further contact with that person."

Investigators say Rusciano provided inaccurate and incomplete responses after they discovered communication between he and Casey following a search of her computer. Upon being confronted with the evidence, he admitted to lying to investigators.

"Lying to investigators during the course of any investigation is unacceptable and reason for termination," Fabrizio wrote.  Rusciano, a probationary employee, was fired on August 22. He joined the  force in February of this year.

8/18/08 Anthony R interview by police. Anthony R academy classmate of Jesse Grund at Police Academy. Says he lied during the first interview because he was afraid.   Met Casey at the firing range when she came with Jesse and Caylee.  He became Facebook and Myspace friends with her about Christmas time.  Started having sex with her after going out to eat about the first of the year 2008.  Didn’t really communicate February through the end of April.  Then started Instant Messenger.  She came over in May and they had sex again.    Commented about Jesse Grund "But I guess she tried to tell him that he was the father of the baby, or he, that's what he said, but he, he was just as out there as she is."    AR: I felt like the girl. {in the relationship} (because Casey would get up and leave 5 minutes after they'd finished having sex.)

?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
I could definitely see you moving into a girlfriend role.

5/8/08 instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3 after 11 pm
‘at least the kid is passed out’

?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
“Seriously, spending the day with Caylee is ten times more exhausing than working a twelve hour event.”

?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
“She’s coming back from Tampa.  Her sister is getting married this weekeend.”

?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
“Yeah, I just called her.  She’s on I-4.  Good, so tha’s a plus.  That it is.”

?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
“So is she willing to get the offspring?”

?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
“Let’s, hey let’s (unintelligible) right now when it is as good as it has been.  I need it, I uh, I told you I need a routine.  But it’s not my main concern for seeing you,”

?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
“Once in three weeks is a tease.”

?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
“Come over and I’ll cook.”

?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
 “How?  You want me to bring the little snot head?”

 ?? indicate I don't have a date


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 10:47:14 PM
Im going to go check the doors and go to bed.  I got up the other morning, got coffee, and the garage door was wide open!!!  I mean, come in Boogie Man, coffee????

Goodnight Always 1, stay safe!!
Thank you, you too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Treehouse on October 23, 2008, 10:47:24 PM
Im going to go check the doors and go to bed.  I got up the other morning, got coffee, and the garage door was wide open!!!  I mean, come in Boogie Man, coffee????

I came home from work the other evening and found the front door locked up tight and the back door standing wide open. No one at home but the dog.

Good night, A-1.

I'm signing off, too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 10:48:19 PM
Colt, I just read up on your emblem. Were you in the Air Rescue Service? They were still in operation in Vietnam, right?  Interesting stuff.

Treehouse, it's nice to see you around.  You were the first to welcome me here and I always keep an eye out for your name.

Well, I didn't start posting here until just before you did. So, we are both relative newbies. I still love that cute puppy. Nice to see you, too.

Wow, that's funny that you mentioned the puppy.  I was changing my avatar probably right as you were typing that!  He is now completely white - no more black on him at all, and his hair is so short, he looks like a completely different breed.  He doesn't even resemble his old bad self, lol.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 10:48:34 PM
Im going to go check the doors and go to bed.  I got up the other morning, got coffee, and the garage door was wide open!!!  I mean, come in Boogie Man, coffee????

I came home from work the other evening and found the front door locked up tight and the back door standing wide open. No one at home but the dog.

Good night, A-1.

I'm signing off, too.
Nite Treehouse.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Stacey on October 23, 2008, 10:50:31 PM
To Klaaasend, Dolce, and everyone.   

 On the last thread I said Caylee was being exploited by everyone. I am so sorry I never meant to insinuate TES. I love TES and what they do.

What I meant was she was being exploited by the Anthony's, the lawyers, tabloid magazines, main stream media and yes even LP. It's motivation for money and NO in no way did I mean TES.

I just needed say this for the record.

I think I slipped on a banana peal...ouch that hurt....my apologies.


Monkey hugs for you


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 23, 2008, 10:51:25 PM
is anyone watching Girdle?

what is it with her compulsion to dress like a kid on his Bar Mitzvah day?

I don't get this at all...

she is whhhhack!

Hey Rob...I just noticed you're a "Monkey AllStar"....I've always thought you were a really great Monkey...but what did you do to achieve
"AllStar" status????   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Young monkeys need to learn  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

After 10,000 posts you are an "AllStar"  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  And that's just since the new forum, huh Rob...lolol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Klaas for the promotion to All-Star.. I think I would have about 19000 total... and not never the top of the list..

That would be Anna and Lala'smom. They have probably over 22,000

Thanks numbersgirl for the very nice compliment. Right back at ya.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 23, 2008, 10:51:48 PM
Colt, I just read up on your emblem. Were you in the Air Rescue Service? They were still in operation in Vietnam, right?  Interesting stuff.

Yes. Det 15, 43rd Aerospace Rescue & Recovery Service (ARRS). I did two TDY's (90 days each) in VN, during Operation Linebacker II. Home base was at Sheppard AFB in Wichita Falls TX.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 23, 2008, 10:52:44 PM
Flossy = Kermit????   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 10:53:45 PM
REPOST:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17789226/detail.html

 
Nov. 8 Search Planned For Caylee, Kesse
Up To 4,000 Volunteer Searchers Expected


POSTED: 3:47 pm EDT October 23, 2008
UPDATED: 4:43 pm EDT October 23, 2008


WINTER PARK, Fla. -- The latest search effort planned for Caylee Anthony is generating a lot of interest.

An Orlando private investigator who has volunteered to head up the effort to recruit team leaders said he has received over 400 calls since just 5 p.m. Wednesday.

"We're looking for someone with law enforcement background, fire service background, department of corrections -- public service background essentially," said James Copenhaver, private investigator. "Those folks have had some training in the past that they can bring to the table to help us."

The search is being headed up by Equusearch, the same group based in Texas that searched for Caylee in September. The group's leader, Tim Miller, plans to return to Orlando on Nov. 7 to train team leaders. On Nov. 8, the group hopes to send as many as 3,000 or 4,000 volunteer searchers out to look for both Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse -- a Central Florida woman who has been missing since January 2006.

Equusearch is still looking for a search headquarters and determining the exact areas that will be searched. Both the sherriff's office and the FBI are on board with their efforts.

People who are interested in volunteering with Equusearch in the upcoming search for Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse on Nov. 8 call Equusearch at 877-270-9500 or go to their website at www.texasequusearch.org. If you are retired law enforcement, military personnel, or have a background in fire or rescue and would like to serve as a team leader, please contact James Copenhaver at 407-897-1184.


FYI - on the right hand side of the link above there are alot of Document, Audio and Image files in the case.

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 10:54:17 PM
Flossy = Kermit????   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha -Good nite Wreck.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: always 1 on October 23, 2008, 10:56:00 PM
is anyone watching Girdle?

what is it with her compulsion to dress like a kid on his Bar Mitzvah day?

I don't get this at all...

she is whhhhack!

Hey Rob...I just noticed you're a "Monkey AllStar"....I've always thought you were a really great Monkey...but what did you do to achieve
"AllStar" status????   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Young monkeys need to learn  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

After 10,000 posts you are an "AllStar"  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  And that's just since the new forum, huh Rob...lolol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Klaas for the promotion to All-Star.. I think I would have about 19000 total... and not never the top of the list..

That would be Anna and Lala'smom. They have probably over 22,000

Thanks numbersgirl for the very nice compliment. Right back at ya.
Good night All Star


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 23, 2008, 10:56:52 PM
Tony R as on probation when he was given the boot. We saw that posted, his conditons of employment.
So, Jesse must have been on probation also. 
He ( Jesse ) was out there also ? How perceptive of Tony.
..
I am glad they are searching for Jennifer Kesse. Her parents , wow what nice ppl. So sad.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: guideposts on October 23, 2008, 10:56:57 PM
More likely than not, everything's in CA's name. If he cuts out now (and he should), he would be left with very little. This make no difference....he needs to "Man up", and do what's right. He's a lost sole. Caylee was his world. Now...he has nothing.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well, he is on the board of the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation.  Money will be made and they will get their 'director fees'.

10/14/08 Florida Non Profit Corporation 
CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY FOUNDATION, INC.
Filing Information
Document Number N08000009792
FEI Number NONE
Date Filed 10/22/2008
State FL
Status ACTIVE
 
Principal Address
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829 
Mailing Address
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829 
Registered Agent Name & Address
ANTHONY, CYNTHIA M
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829 

Officer/Director Detail  Name & Address

Title P
ANTHONY, CYNTHIA M
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829 

Title D
ANTHONY, GEORGE A
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829 

Title D
ANTHONY, LEE A
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829 

Title D
PARKER, MALLORY
5612 PARKDALE DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32839 

Title TD
PARKER, JODY
5612 PARKDALE DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32839

Along with Cindy, Lee, Mallory Parker (Lee's girlfriend) & Jody Parker (Mallory's mother)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 23, 2008, 10:57:08 PM
Flossy = Kermit????   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::

I did a double take too  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 10:57:31 PM
REPOSTS FROM PREVIOUS THEAD
Posts: 753


 
   Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
« Reply #1980 on: Today at 04:19:07 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: Rob on Today at 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: Blonde on Today at 04:08:21 PM



GRUND: Yes, he did. He went to the police academy and was with the Orlando Police Department for a brief period of time and then came to the mutual conclusion that maybe being a police officer...
GRACE: Was not for him.

GRUND: ... was not for him
NANCY GRACE

Father of Casey Anthony`s Ex-Fiance Speaks Out

Aired September 22, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html
{{edit to add better link}}
aroobagoogle translation   

Police : son, we think you're a nice kid, but you're not cut out to be a cop based on what we observed and the results of the psyche test.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


that's what I thought as well....mutual conclusion ::MonkeyWink::
 

Thank you Sunny.

In other words Jesse Grund was let go from the OPD.  Sunny ... do you know the date.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Colt45cal on October 23, 2008, 10:58:03 PM
who saw George's mega dildonic logic in action tonight?

he needs to Z I P IT!

ZIPPPPPPPP IT.

On this...we agree!  He get's worse with each passing day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I think CA has her hand up his.......and is making his lips move. She's a very accomplished ventriquest.

Colt - that is quite a turnaround comment coming from you.  Change of position?

How could I not?? I think many here misunderstood my first few posts here, which I still believe in. I don't just "Go with the flow". But when I see change...then I change. It's that simple.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 11:00:22 PM
Flossy = Kermit????   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::

I did a double take too  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Me too.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: numbersgirl on October 23, 2008, 11:00:37 PM
o/t

Klaas,  I tried to post pics of my cats in the Monkey Lounge - four legged friends thread but they came out GINORMOUS!  I'm sorry for the mess..I tried to "report to mod" and it told me I was stupid.  ::MonkeyWaa::..could you please fix or delete..whatever's easiest.  TIA  I won't do it again, I promise.

Numbers


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on October 23, 2008, 11:02:58 PM
o/t

Klaas,  I tried to post pics of my cats in the Monkey Lounge - four legged friends thread but they came out GINORMOUS!  I'm sorry for the mess..I tried to "report to mod" and it told me I was stupid.  ::MonkeyWaa::..could you please fix or delete..whatever's easiest.  TIA  I won't do it again, I promise.

Numbers

I love your avatar !


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 11:08:12 PM
Monkeys ... it should be an interesting day tomorrow if Nancy Grace has got it right in regards to the release of the results of the forensic testing of the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  I am confused why it has not been reported in the Orlando media.

Anyways ... I have yet put the dinner dishes in the dishwasher and ... then a game or two of Scrabble with long time a long time with friends.  The four of us do more talking than playing so ... it will probably be ony one game.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!

Janet
8:00 PM


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: numbersgirl on October 23, 2008, 11:09:35 PM
o/t

Klaas,  I tried to post pics of my cats in the Monkey Lounge - four legged friends thread but they came out GINORMOUS!  I'm sorry for the mess..I tried to "report to mod" and it told me I was stupid.  ::MonkeyWaa::..could you please fix or delete..whatever's easiest.  TIA  I won't do it again, I promise.

Numbers

I love your avatar !
Thanks Lake Erie Princess...I take that as a very high compliment (being that you're royalty and all  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::)  Does your name mean that you are somewhere in Ohio?  I'm in NE Ohio...maybe we're neighbors??
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 11:10:50 PM
Monkeys ... it should be an interesting day tomorrow if Nancy Grace has got it right in regards to the release of the results of the forensic testing of the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  I am confused why it has not been reported in the Orlando media.

Anyways ... I have yet put the dinner dishes in the dishwasher and ... then a game or two of Scrabble with long time a long time with friends.  The four of us do more talking than playing so ... it will probably be ony one game.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!

Janet
8:00 PM

Goodnite Janet - are you getting the "look?"  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 23, 2008, 11:11:39 PM

Good night All Star

g' nite Always 1


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2008, 11:14:36 PM
Monkeys ... it should be an interesting day tomorrow if Nancy Grace has got it right in regards to the release of the results of the forensic testing of the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  I am confused why it has not been reported in the Orlando media.

Anyways ... I have yet put the dinner dishes in the dishwasher and ... then a game or two of Scrabble with long time a long time with friends.  The four of us do more talking than playing so ... it will probably be ony one game.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!

Janet
8:00 PM

Goodnite Janet - are you getting the "look?"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

No!  But company is coming any minutes and ... I can hear from the computer room "you know who" putting dinner dishes in the dishwasher.  I just know what he is thinking while he is cleaning up the kitchen ... he does not have to say a word.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey ... I made the dinner.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: numbersgirl on October 23, 2008, 11:18:31 PM
Thanks Klaas....you're the best!  And thanks to all the mods and other monkeys for making this such a nice place to be.  I appreciate you all. ::MonkeyDance::   I posted photos of my Havana Browns in the Monkey Lounge if anyone is interested.  (they are cats that look like monkeys) ::MonkeyCool::

Numbers


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 11:19:29 PM
Monkeys ... it should be an interesting day tomorrow if Nancy Grace has got it right in regards to the release of the results of the forensic testing of the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  I am confused why it has not been reported in the Orlando media.

Anyways ... I have yet put the dinner dishes in the dishwasher and ... then a game or two of Scrabble with long time a long time with friends.  The four of us do more talking than playing so ... it will probably be ony one game.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!

Janet
8:00 PM

Good nite Janet...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 23, 2008, 11:20:35 PM

Rob, if you're still here -- either last night or this morning you posted about finding Zaneida Gonzales where she was last seen would be a starting point - something like that.   I can't find the post now, but I was wondering what you meant by finding her.

 I thought there was no ZG.    Were you being funny or serious or did I dream that ?   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 23, 2008, 11:21:33 PM
Good night to all the monkeys who are leaving...sweet dreams..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: sweetgypsy on October 23, 2008, 11:23:12 PM
Evening all u beautiful Monks-

Will somebody- if possible- do me a huge favor and quickly run down the info we have about Annie??  I am getting confused....I have read and re-read so much that just have names and words floating thru my head...

TIA my friends....

Sweetgypsy


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 11:25:50 PM
Evening all u beautiful Monks-

Will somebody- if possible- do me a huge favor and quickly run down the info we have about Annie??  I am getting confused....I have read and re-read so much that just have names and words floating thru my head...

TIA my friends....

Sweetgypsy

Annie is the one with the blondish hair (edited to add I'm not sure about the hair color).  She's the one with the shamrock baseball cap.  She's also the one who was living with Dante and Ricardo I think at the Sawgrass apartments at one time.

Annie on the left:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/ffw011.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: sweetgypsy on October 23, 2008, 11:29:13 PM
Evening all u beautiful Monks-

Will somebody- if possible- do me a huge favor and quickly run down the info we have about Annie??  I am getting confused....I have read and re-read so much that just have names and words floating thru my head...

TIA my friends....

Sweetgypsy

Annie is the one with the blondish hair.  She's the one with the shamrock baseball cap.  She's also the one who was living with Dante and Ricardo I think at the Sawgrass apartments at one time.

Thank you Klaas....now I know which one she is.....and many Monks feel that she could possibly be the source of some bombshell testimony or info, correct?  Or am I confusing her with Amy? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 11:30:01 PM
Evening all u beautiful Monks-

Will somebody- if possible- do me a huge favor and quickly run down the info we have about Annie??  I am getting confused....I have read and re-read so much that just have names and words floating thru my head...

TIA my friends....

Sweetgypsy

Annie is the one with the blondish hair (edited to add I'm not sure about the hair color).  She's the one with the shamrock baseball cap.  She's also the one who was living with Dante and Ricardo I think at the Sawgrass apartments at one time.

Annie on the left:



Wait Ricardo lived with Dante?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: txlisa on October 23, 2008, 11:31:44 PM
Evening all u beautiful Monks-

Will somebody- if possible- do me a huge favor and quickly run down the info we have about Annie??  I am getting confused....I have read and re-read so much that just have names and words floating thru my head...

TIA my friends....

Sweetgypsy

Annie is the one with the blondish hair (edited to add I'm not sure about the hair color).  She's the one with the shamrock baseball cap.  She's also the one who was living with Dante and Ricardo I think at the Sawgrass apartments at one time.

Annie on the left:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/ffw011.jpg)

That pic always makes me sad.  You can see Caylee in the background and Annie and Casey look as though she doesn't exist.  And now she's gone. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Lisa


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: sweetgypsy on October 23, 2008, 11:31:47 PM
And what the heck ever happened to Christine or Kristine from the jailhouse phone calls?  I think I remember seeing her on NG or Geraldo....but then nothing....I don't remember reading an interview of her....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 11:31:49 PM
Evening all u beautiful Monks-

Will somebody- if possible- do me a huge favor and quickly run down the info we have about Annie??  I am getting confused....I have read and re-read so much that just have names and words floating thru my head...

TIA my friends....

Sweetgypsy

Annie is the one with the blondish hair (edited to add I'm not sure about the hair color).  She's the one with the shamrock baseball cap.  She's also the one who was living with Dante and Ricardo I think at the Sawgrass apartments at one time.

Annie on the left:



Wait Ricardo lived with Dante?

It's late, I may have them confused. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 23, 2008, 11:32:31 PM
Evening all u beautiful Monks-

Will somebody- if possible- do me a huge favor and quickly run down the info we have about Annie??  I am getting confused....I have read and re-read so much that just have names and words floating thru my head...

TIA my friends....

Sweetgypsy

Annie is the one with the blondish hair.  She's the one with the shamrock baseball cap.  She's also the one who was living with Dante and Ricardo I think at the Sawgrass apartments at one time.

Thank you Klaas....now I know which one she is.....and many Monks feel that she could possibly be the source of some bombshell testimony or info, correct?  Or am I confusing her with Amy? 

I used to think that there was going to be bombshell stuff with her - but now I am not so sure. She talked to her for long periods of time on phone- but apparantly they didn't see each other that much- (well it seems like that from things I have read) and she hadn't lived in sawgrass for quite some time


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2008, 11:33:21 PM
Evening all u beautiful Monks-

Will somebody- if possible- do me a huge favor and quickly run down the info we have about Annie??  I am getting confused....I have read and re-read so much that just have names and words floating thru my head...

TIA my friends....

Sweetgypsy

Annie is the one with the blondish hair.  She's the one with the shamrock baseball cap.  She's also the one who was living with Dante and Ricardo I think at the Sawgrass apartments at one time.

Thank you Klaas....now I know which one she is.....and many Monks feel that she could possibly be the source of some bombshell testimony or info, correct?  Or am I confusing her with Amy? 

Amy is the one she stole from.  I'd bet that there's going to be some pretty damning testimony from quite a few of her friends.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: sweetgypsy on October 23, 2008, 11:34:00 PM
Thank you Kerry....so many in the cast of characters.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 23, 2008, 11:34:25 PM
Good Evening Monkeys

I keep thinking about the " JC Penney" receipt and why it has not had anything conclusive  info yet.

So Poking around I did find that on June 27, 2008 was one of there Biggest Sales of the Summer
30-60% off of practically the entire store - there is even a video on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF2_DVm4rHo

Then they were even adding additional money off - depending on how much you spent in a purchase ....
Along with the Father's Day Sale ongoing as well ... Typical Retail stuff
Ok - so thats not very big News ...


Poking around some More. Did Any Know that Jcpenney has and offers Customers " Life Insurance" " Accidental Death Insurance  ? .............. they Do.

I am still looking I have this link to provide http://www.stonebridge-jcp.com/AboutJCP.aspx

I am still digging to see How this works ...... ::MonkeyEek::

Basically from what I have read JcPenney offered this Insurance at a low low rate, Basically sounds like a " Pool type pay into" for people who are high risk and or just simply can't afford premiums and or are just sucked up into a policy for what ever reason keep it reasoning that its only a small monthly payment.

Still working on this. But WOW








Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 23, 2008, 11:34:35 PM
Evening all u beautiful Monks-

Will somebody- if possible- do me a huge favor and quickly run down the info we have about Annie??  I am getting confused....I have read and re-read so much that just have names and words floating thru my head...

TIA my friends....

Sweetgypsy

Annie is the one with the blondish hair (edited to add I'm not sure about the hair color).  She's the one with the shamrock baseball cap.  She's also the one who was living with Dante and Ricardo I think at the Sawgrass apartments at one time.

Annie on the left:



Wait Ricardo lived with Dante?

It's late, I may have them confused. 
I believe that
Dante at one time lived with Annie at Sawgrass and they were at one time BF/GF
Ricardo lived with Amy & JP very close by to Sawgrass


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: numbersgirl on October 23, 2008, 11:34:41 PM
Good Night All.  Sweet dreams...see you tomorrow.

Klaas...thanks again for fixing my pics.

Numbers


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 11:36:18 PM
Flossy = Kermit????   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::



Lol!  Flossy is me, actually.  My husband nicknamed me that after having my daughter because I was nursing (and also pumping, but maybe that's TMI) and had gone from a full time nurse to a full time dairy cow and nurse.  I guess his grandpa used to call his grandma that, also.   In other words, I was not only a dairy cow, but an old dairy cow!!  He's lucky all of his parts are intact.

I need a new avatar, but I just don't think a cow is what I want.  Maybe with a witch's hat and a trick-or-treat bag it could be cute, and a little monkey on his back........Hey, CBB!!  Where are you?!

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: sweetgypsy on October 23, 2008, 11:36:31 PM
Evening all u beautiful Monks-

Will somebody- if possible- do me a huge favor and quickly run down the info we have about Annie??  I am getting confused....I have read and re-read so much that just have names and words floating thru my head...

TIA my friends....

Sweetgypsy

Annie is the one with the blondish hair.  She's the one with the shamrock baseball cap.  She's also the one who was living with Dante and Ricardo I think at the Sawgrass apartments at one time.

Thank you Klaas....now I know which one she is.....and many Monks feel that she could possibly be the source of some bombshell testimony or info, correct?  Or am I confusing her with Amy? 

Amy is the one she stole from.  I'd bet that there's going to be some pretty damning testimony from quite a few of her friends.

After reading all of the interviews, Amy struck me as the most level-headed, mature and straightforward of the "friends"....she will tell it like it really is if she is called to testify.  She seemed genuinely shocked and hurt by Casey's lies....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 23, 2008, 11:37:14 PM
Thank you Kerry....so many in the cast of characters.... ::MonkeyConfused::

def. agree-
it reminds me of "who's on first"!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 11:40:12 PM
Cubbee - I see you - hey check your mail. I replied!! LOL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 11:41:09 PM
Goodnight, all you bed-bound monkeys!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 23, 2008, 11:41:49 PM
Flossy = Kermit????   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::



Lol!  Flossy is me, actually.  My husband nicknamed me that after having my daughter because I was nursing (and also pumping, but maybe that's TMI) and had gone from a full time nurse to a full time dairy cow and nurse.  I guess his grandpa used to call his grandma that, also.   In other words, I was not only a dairy cow, but an old dairy cow!!  He's lucky all of his parts are intact.

I need a new avatar, but I just don't think a cow is what I want.  Maybe with a witch's hat and a trick-or-treat bag it could be cute, and a little monkey on his back........Hey, CBB!!  Where are you?!

 ::MonkeyTongue::
LOL -- you probably don't know why we are laughing! The "old timers" here at SM only think of your Avatar as our "Kermit" from the Natalee forum!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 23, 2008, 11:41:52 PM

Rob, if you're still here -- either last night or this morning you posted about finding Zaneida Gonzales where she was last seen would be a starting point - something like that.   I can't find the post now, but I was wondering what you meant by finding her.

 I thought there was no ZG.    Were you being funny or serious or did I dream that ?   

BudsGirl - I think I meant that the body of Caylee needs to be near an area where Zenaida is known to frequent. For instance - Caylee can not be in Oklahoma is Zenaida has no ties there. She needs to be near Zenaida's known locations in order to blame her.

There is a Zenaida - and she did go to Sawgrass on the 17th. But she has no known correlation to Casey or Caylee or the Anthony family. She has filed a civil suit against Casey.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 11:42:34 PM
Goodnight, all you bed-bound monkeys!

from me too!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 23, 2008, 11:43:23 PM
klaas- sorry for the OT but I would like to see cats that look like monkeys-
how do i get to the lounge?
I tried to figure it out but I think I am too tired to function correctly


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 23, 2008, 11:48:44 PM
Jcpenney Life Insurance   http://www.stonebridge-jcp.com/Life/JuvenileTerm-FAQ.aspx

No medical questions or exam required

It doesn’t matter if you have health problems. If you are between the ages of 18 and 60 (18-54 in CA) and want this insurance, you cannot be turned down. There’s no medical exam. 

Hmmm - I guess that blows that theory - Unless Cindy has a Policy .. arrrr
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Can a grandparent apply for this plan for their grandchildren?

Absolutely. A child's parent or grandparent can be the policyholder.


There is that WORD again

What they offer for Children  - 5k

The thought of losing a child or grandchild is not something anyone wants to contemplate. But if the worst were to happen, a juvenile term policy could help provide financial assistance to your family at a very difficult time.
$5,000 coverage for your child or grandchild.


Our juvenile term life insurance offers coverage of $5,000 per child up to the age of 23. At that time, your child can choose to convert the policy to whole life coverage without a medical exam or proof of insurability.
Protection throughout childhood.

This policy offers life insurance protection until your child turns 23. If you (the payor) should die while the policy is in force, no future premiums will be due and coverage will continue until the child reaches age 23.
Coverage that grows as your family grows.

Our juvenile term life insurance provides $5,000 of coverage per child. However, if you already have two children covered under the policy, premiums will not increase for additional children.

Pay premiums only four years. As long as renewal premiums are paid before the end of the Grace Period we can not cancel the policy/certificateThe written document issued by a life insurance company to a policyowner which expresses the insurance contract between the company and the policyowner. / A document issued to individuals insured under a group insurance policy, setting forth essential provisions relating to their insurance coverage..

Policy Form # : GC285




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 23, 2008, 11:49:44 PM
Flossy = Kermit????   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::



Lol!  Flossy is me, actually.  My husband nicknamed me that after having my daughter because I was nursing (and also pumping, but maybe that's TMI) and had gone from a full time nurse to a full time dairy cow and nurse.  I guess his grandpa used to call his grandma that, also.   In other words, I was not only a dairy cow, but an old dairy cow!!  He's lucky all of his parts are intact.

I need a new avatar, but I just don't think a cow is what I want.  Maybe with a witch's hat and a trick-or-treat bag it could be cute, and a little monkey on his back........Hey, CBB!!  Where are you?!

 ::MonkeyTongue::
LOL -- you probably don't know why we are laughing! The "old timers" here at SM only think of your Avatar as our "Kermit" from the Natalee forum!!

I knew I must have been missing some vital piece of info, but I think I was afraid to ask!!

Now I get it!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 23, 2008, 11:50:23 PM
Casey had been spinning this story of how her parents were getting a divorce. George was going somewhere, not sure if George knew ( LOL ), Cindy was going imnto a condo, Amy was moving into the house with Casey as roommates. She went pretty far with Amy
( where was Ricardo going ? ) and then Casey had to back out of it.
.. On the 16 th she had a 12 or a 16 minute conversation with Jesse which he defined as not normal " where Casey told him she needed to find a place to live as her mother wanted her out of the house.
She called Jesse on the 26th and told him the car was at 50th and Goldenrod (Amscott)  as it had run out of gas. That was early afternoon. He was on the other side of town and couldn't go to help her out. So, did someome come and gas her up ?
From Tony's statements, which I didn't read today, I thought it was the Friday the 27th she ran out of gas and called Tony to come and get her. 
The lady at Amscott said the car was there at 7 am on the 27th.
So, what was she driving ?   
Feel like I am playing clue.

 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 11:52:25 PM
KLAAS - are you playing spades, well you have mail!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 23, 2008, 11:52:39 PM
Casey had been spinning this story of how her parents were getting a divorce. George was going somewhere, not sure if George knew ( LOL ), Cindy was going imnto a condo, Amy was moving into the house with Casey as roommates. She went pretty far with Amy
( where was Ricardo going ? ) and then Casey had to back out of it.
.. On the 16 th she had a 12 or a 16 minute conversation with Jesse which he defined as not normal " where Casey told him she needed to find a place to live as her mother wanted her out of the house.
She called Jesse on the 26th and told him the car was at 50th and Goldenrod (Amscott)  as it had run out of gas. That was early afternoon. He was on the other side of town and couldn't go to help her out. So, did someome come and gas her up ?
From Tony's statements, which I didn't read today, I thought it was the Friday the 27th she ran out of gas and called Tony to come and get her. 
The lady at Amscott said the car was there at 7 am on the 27th.
So, what was she driving ?   
Feel like I am playing clue.

 

 ::MonkeyEek:: Really?  Is this in one of his statements?  Very interesting....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 23, 2008, 11:53:52 PM
Casey had been spinning this story of how her parents were getting a divorce. George was going somewhere, not sure if George knew ( LOL ), Cindy was going imnto a condo, Amy was moving into the house with Casey as roommates. She went pretty far with Amy
( where was Ricardo going ? ) and then Casey had to back out of it.
.. On the 16 th she had a 12 or a 16 minute conversation with Jesse which he defined as not normal " where Casey told him she needed to find a place to live as her mother wanted her out of the house.
She called Jesse on the 26th and told him the car was at 50th and Goldenrod (Amscott)  as it had run out of gas. That was early afternoon. He was on the other side of town and couldn't go to help her out. So, did someome come and gas her up ?
From Tony's statements, which I didn't read today, I thought it was the Friday the 27th she ran out of gas and called Tony to come and get her. 
The lady at Amscott said the car was there at 7 am on the 27th.
So, what was she driving ?   
Feel like I am playing clue.

 

not sure- but - I don't think it was noticed until the 27th 7am
P.S. does anyone know how to get to Mokey Lounge please?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 23, 2008, 11:54:17 PM

Rob, if you're still here -- either last night or this morning you posted about finding Zaneida Gonzales where she was last seen would be a starting point - something like that.   I can't find the post now, but I was wondering what you meant by finding her.

 I thought there was no ZG.    Were you being funny or serious or did I dream that ?   

BudsGirl - I think I meant that the body of Caylee needs to be near an area where Zenaida is known to frequent. For instance - Caylee can not be in Oklahoma is Zenaida has no ties there. She needs to be near Zenaida's known locations in order to blame her.

There is a Zenaida - and she did go to Sawgrass on the 17th. But she has no known correlation to Casey or Caylee or the Anthony family. She has filed a civil suit against Casey.

ohhhh, ok, I see what you mean now.  Sorry, my brain didn't link when I first read it.    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 23, 2008, 11:55:44 PM
Casey had been spinning this story of how her parents were getting a divorce. George was going somewhere, not sure if George knew ( LOL ), Cindy was going imnto a condo, Amy was moving into the house with Casey as roommates. She went pretty far with Amy
( where was Ricardo going ? ) and then Casey had to back out of it.
.. On the 16 th she had a 12 or a 16 minute conversation with Jesse which he defined as not normal " where Casey told him she needed to find a place to live as her mother wanted her out of the house.
She called Jesse on the 26th and told him the car was at 50th and Goldenrod (Amscott)  as it had run out of gas. That was early afternoon. He was on the other side of town and couldn't go to help her out. So, did someome come and gas her up ?
From Tony's statements, which I didn't read today, I thought it was the Friday the 27th she ran out of gas and called Tony to come and get her. 
The lady at Amscott said the car was there at 7 am on the 27th.
So, what was she driving ?   
Feel like I am playing clue.

 
Maybe she hitched a ride with the Two Boys who she says Pushed her Car * hitched with someone .... like they keep saying that she spins a shred of truth in everything that comes out of her mouth.
It is like playing Clue because someone is Lying outright on the events of that Day and that is why it does not make any sense.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 11:55:54 PM
Casey had been spinning this story of how her parents were getting a divorce. George was going somewhere, not sure if George knew ( LOL ), Cindy was going imnto a condo, Amy was moving into the house with Casey as roommates. She went pretty far with Amy
( where was Ricardo going ? ) and then Casey had to back out of it.
.. On the 16 th she had a 12 or a 16 minute conversation with Jesse which he defined as not normal " where Casey told him she needed to find a place to live as her mother wanted her out of the house.
She called Jesse on the 26th and told him the car was at 50th and Goldenrod (Amscott)  as it had run out of gas. That was early afternoon. He was on the other side of town and couldn't go to help her out. So, did someome come and gas her up ?
From Tony's statements, which I didn't read today, I thought it was the Friday the 27th she ran out of gas and called Tony to come and get her. 
The lady at Amscott said the car was there at 7 am on the 27th.
So, what was she driving ?   
Feel like I am playing clue.

 

I know doesn't answer anything but................What if Jessie did bring her gas - wouldn't he notice the smell.  What was she thinking?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 23, 2008, 11:55:59 PM
Casey had been spinning this story of how her parents were getting a divorce. George was going somewhere, not sure if George knew ( LOL ), Cindy was going imnto a condo, Amy was moving into the house with Casey as roommates. She went pretty far with Amy
( where was Ricardo going ? ) and then Casey had to back out of it.
.. On the 16 th she had a 12 or a 16 minute conversation with Jesse which he defined as not normal " where Casey told him she needed to find a place to live as her mother wanted her out of the house.
She called Jesse on the 26th and told him the car was at 50th and Goldenrod (Amscott)  as it had run out of gas. That was early afternoon. He was on the other side of town and couldn't go to help her out. So, did someome come and gas her up ?
From Tony's statements, which I didn't read today, I thought it was the Friday the 27th she ran out of gas and called Tony to come and get her. 
The lady at Amscott said the car was there at 7 am on the 27th.
So, what was she driving ?   
Feel like I am playing clue.

 

not sure- but - I don't think it was noticed until the 27th 7am
P.S. does anyone know how to get to Mokey Lounge please?

Go to "Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum" on top of this page, and scroll down to Monkey Lounge.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: alleycat86 on October 23, 2008, 11:56:08 PM
Casey had been spinning this story of how her parents were getting a divorce. George was going somewhere, not sure if George knew ( LOL ), Cindy was going imnto a condo, Amy was moving into the house with Casey as roommates. She went pretty far with Amy
( where was Ricardo going ? ) and then Casey had to back out of it.
.. On the 16 th she had a 12 or a 16 minute conversation with Jesse which he defined as not normal " where Casey told him she needed to find a place to live as her mother wanted her out of the house.
She called Jesse on the 26th and told him the car was at 50th and Goldenrod (Amscott)  as it had run out of gas. That was early afternoon. He was on the other side of town and couldn't go to help her out. So, did someome come and gas her up ?
From Tony's statements, which I didn't read today, I thought it was the Friday the 27th she ran out of gas and called Tony to come and get her. 
The lady at Amscott said the car was there at 7 am on the 27th.
So, what was she driving ?   
Feel like I am playing clue.

 

not sure- but - I don't think it was noticed until the 27th 7am
P.S. does anyone know how to get to Mokey Lounge please?

im sorry u still lookin for the cat pics numbers posted?? go here

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=569.0


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cajun miracle on October 23, 2008, 11:57:51 PM
OK, I've caught up and have a question?? Where are all of the Monkeys tonight? They pooped out and went to bed?
You guys are doing a great job and I enjoy the reading and info.

Goodnight all,
Cajun Miracle


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mytime on October 23, 2008, 11:58:14 PM
Casey had been spinning this story of how her parents were getting a divorce. George was going somewhere, not sure if George knew ( LOL ), Cindy was going imnto a condo, Amy was moving into the house with Casey as roommates. She went pretty far with Amy
( where was Ricardo going ? ) and then Casey had to back out of it.
.. On the 16 th she had a 12 or a 16 minute conversation with Jesse which he defined as not normal " where Casey told him she needed to find a place to live as her mother wanted her out of the house.
She called Jesse on the 26th and told him the car was at 50th and Goldenrod (Amscott)  as it had run out of gas. That was early afternoon. He was on the other side of town and couldn't go to help her out. So, did someome come and gas her up ?
From Tony's statements, which I didn't read today, I thought it was the Friday the 27th she ran out of gas and called Tony to come and get her. 
The lady at Amscott said the car was there at 7 am on the 27th.
So, what was she driving ?   
Feel like I am playing clue.

 

not sure- but - I don't think it was noticed until the 27th 7am
P.S. does anyone know how to get to Mokey Lounge please?

Go to "Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum" on top of this page, and scroll down to Monkey Lounge.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=4.0


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 12:01:45 AM
thank you alleycat marymary and mytime. See, I should have been able to figure that out on my own- it's tired and I'm late-
reverse that-
good nite all!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 24, 2008, 12:01:53 AM
OK, I've caught up and have a question?? Where are all of the Monkeys tonight? They pooped out and went to bed?
You guys are doing a great job and I enjoy the reading and info.

Goodnight all,
Cajun Miracle
GoodNight :)  I think everyone was taken out by listening to Cindy's Muck run on NG tonite .. It's to the point where you feel sick ...and can't handle any more.  I wish She would Come back Live with Nancy Again and see what Cindy would say. They should have NG, "Cindy and Leonard" swap again ... would like to see that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2008, 12:04:01 AM
I found Jesse's date for when Casey called him and told him she ran out of gas from Jesse's July 23 statement. Fox Orlando has all the released statments. He says June 26 th at 1:15 or thereabouts. Jesse, the investigator had gone thru his phone records.
She had a vehicle with no gas. How did she get to Tony's that night ? What did she drive to her Mother's on the 27th Friday ? Did somone gas her up a bit ? Enough to get around a bit ? The car was noticed at Amscot on the morning of the 27th at 7 am.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: alleycat86 on October 24, 2008, 12:04:24 AM
thank you alleycat marymary and mytime. See, I should have been able to figure that out on my own- it's tired and I'm late-
reverse that-
good nite all!
::MonkeyWink:: goodnight


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 12:04:59 AM
Here is a map of George and Cindy's house (A)
and Lee's House (B)

(http://i36.tinypic.com/2whfej9.jpg)

They are close enough that they would hit the same cell phone tower.

So, the 15th (after the big fight) she could have went to Lee's and been making calls from there. Or she could have slept in her car near by that night.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 12:05:27 AM
klaas- sorry for the OT but I would like to see cats that look like monkeys-
how do i get to the lounge?
I tried to figure it out but I think I am too tired to function correctly

Here you go..sorry I was playing games, lol

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=569.120


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 12:09:00 AM
OK, I've caught up and have a question?? Where are all of the Monkeys tonight? They pooped out and went to bed?
You guys are doing a great job and I enjoy the reading and info.

Goodnight all,
Cajun Miracle

Maybe they've all gone over to Leonard's forum  ::MonkeyWink::.  Makes it nicer for me when it's not so busy, LOLOL then I can get something done around this house  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 12:11:09 AM
Hello Monkeys............Klaas   you have mail....


WELCOME HOME HH!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 12:12:52 AM
Shower time be back in a bit  


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: alleycat86 on October 24, 2008, 12:13:47 AM
Here is a map of George and Cindy's house (A)
and Lee's House (B)


They are close enough that they would hit the same cell phone tower.

So, the 15th (after the big fight) she could have went to Lee's and been making calls from there. Or she could have slept in her car near by that night.

good observation i never noticed how close they were before.. i've been hearing a lot of talk about the fight that happened between cindy and casey on the 15th but is it a fact or just a rumor?  dont think i've seen/heard anywhere that it was confirmed? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 12:20:13 AM
Hi Monkeys.  What's happening tonight?  I missed Nancy Grace--should I go back and try to watch it?  I mean, was there anything important on it?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: alleycat86 on October 24, 2008, 12:22:36 AM
Hi Monkeys.  What's happening tonight?  I missed Nancy Grace--should I go back and try to watch it?  I mean, was there anything important on it?
fbi results coming in tomorrow! and they talked about how easy it is to make chloroform


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 12:23:46 AM
I found Jesse's date for when Casey called him and told him she ran out of gas from Jesse's July 23 statement. Fox Orlando has all the released statments. He says June 26 th at 1:15 or thereabouts. Jesse, the investigator had gone thru his phone records.
She had a vehicle with no gas. How did she get to Tony's that night ? What did she drive to her Mother's on the 27th Friday ? Did somone gas her up a bit ? Enough to get around a bit ? The car was noticed at Amscot on the morning of the 27th at 7 am.

The car was first "noticed" at Amscot @ 7 am on the 27th.  I just looked through his statement and he does say the 26th.  However, I am unable to find where she called him on the 26th.  I see where he text her @ 1:59 pm.  Do you think he just got the date confused?  Or do you think the Amscot Lady has it wrong?  Either way - I have no idea how she was getting around.  I do see in his statement that he has a truck - anyone know what kind or color?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: lula on October 24, 2008, 12:25:29 AM
To Klaaasend, Dolce, and everyone.   

 On the last thread I said Caylee was being exploited by everyone. I am so sorry I never meant to insinuate TES. I love TES and what they do.

What I meant was she was being exploited by the Anthony's, the lawyers, tabloid magazines, main stream media and yes even LP. It's motivation for money and NO in no way did I mean TES.

I just needed say this for the record.

I think I slipped on a banana peal...ouch that hurt....my apologies.


Monkey hugs for you

Oh thank you! I'm all better now.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 12:26:10 AM
Hello Monkeys............Klaas   you have mail....


WELCOME HOME HH!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

PJ :flower:


Hi PJ :2waver: She didn't stay around very long.  She said she would be back when she could - I sure hope so.

Jackie


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 12:26:19 AM
Here is a map of George and Cindy's house (A)
and Lee's House (B)


They are close enough that they would hit the same cell phone tower.

So, the 15th (after the big fight) she could have went to Lee's and been making calls from there. Or she could have slept in her car near by that night.

good observation i never noticed how close they were before.. i've been hearing a lot of talk about the fight that happened between cindy and casey on the 15th but is it a fact or just a rumor?  dont think i've seen/heard anywhere that it was confirmed? ::MonkeyConfused::


The neighbor's statement mentioned the fight and that it happened Father's Day Weekend. LP also said Lee told him the fight happened and that Cindy had her hands around Casey's neck.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: alleycat86 on October 24, 2008, 12:28:53 AM
Here is a map of George and Cindy's house (A)
and Lee's House (B)


They are close enough that they would hit the same cell phone tower.

So, the 15th (after the big fight) she could have went to Lee's and been making calls from there. Or she could have slept in her car near by that night.

good observation i never noticed how close they were before.. i've been hearing a lot of talk about the fight that happened between cindy and casey on the 15th but is it a fact or just a rumor?  dont think i've seen/heard anywhere that it was confirmed? ::MonkeyConfused::


The neighbor's statement mentioned the fight and that it happened Father's Day Weekend. LP also said Lee told him the fight happened and that Cindy had her hands around Casey's neck.

do you know what neighbor and if its in a police interview? i must have skipped over it ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 12:31:02 AM
Hi Monkeys.  What's happening tonight?  I missed Nancy Grace--should I go back and try to watch it?  I mean, was there anything important on it?
fbi results coming in tomorrow! and they talked about how easy it is to make chloroform
alleycat86, what fbi results are coming in tomorrow?  I'm sorry, I'm woefully out of touch and been working way too many hours.  I didn't know there were significant fbi results that we were expecting.  I have my doubts that it is that easy to make chloroform.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 12:31:08 AM
I found Jesse's date for when Casey called him and told him she ran out of gas from Jesse's July 23 statement. Fox Orlando has all the released statments. He says June 26 th at 1:15 or thereabouts. Jesse, the investigator had gone thru his phone records.
She had a vehicle with no gas. How did she get to Tony's that night ? What did she drive to her Mother's on the 27th Friday ? Did somone gas her up a bit ? Enough to get around a bit ? The car was noticed at Amscot on the morning of the 27th at 7 am.

The car was first "noticed" at Amscot @ 7 am on the 27th.  I just looked through his statement and he does say the 26th.  However, I am unable to find where she called him on the 26th.  I see where he text her @ 1:59 pm.  Do you think he just got the date confused?  Or do you think the Amscot Lady has it wrong?  Either way - I have no idea how she was getting around.  I do see in his statement that he has a truck - anyone know what kind or color?

I think she left her car at Amscot the night of the 26th not because it was out of gas but because the smell was so bad, she didn't want Tony or any of Tony's neighbors/roomates to notice the smell. I think she woke up the 27th, walked or took a cab to the Amscot, used the car to run around and do whatever she did that morning and returned it to the Amscot when she was done. I think she did the same thing later than afternoon too.

jmo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 12:32:53 AM
Hi Monkeys.  What's happening tonight?  I missed Nancy Grace--should I go back and try to watch it?  I mean, was there anything important on it?
fbi results coming in tomorrow! and they talked about how easy it is to make chloroform
alleycat86, what fbi results are coming in tomorrow?  I'm sorry, I'm woefully out of touch and been working way too many hours.  I didn't know there were significant fbi results that we were expecting.  I have my doubts that it is that easy to make chloroform.

All the discovery that Baez went to court for 2 weeks ago and the judge ordered it to be handed over in 10 days. The 10 days is up tomorrow.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 12:33:13 AM
I found Jesse's date for when Casey called him and told him she ran out of gas from Jesse's July 23 statement. Fox Orlando has all the released statments. He says June 26 th at 1:15 or thereabouts. Jesse, the investigator had gone thru his phone records.
She had a vehicle with no gas. How did she get to Tony's that night ? What did she drive to her Mother's on the 27th Friday ? Did somone gas her up a bit ? Enough to get around a bit ? The car was noticed at Amscot on the morning of the 27th at 7 am.

The car was first "noticed" at Amscot @ 7 am on the 27th.  I just looked through his statement and he does say the 26th.  However, I am unable to find where she called him on the 26th.  I see where he text her @ 1:59 pm.  Do you think he just got the date confused?  Or do you think the Amscot Lady has it wrong?  Either way - I have no idea how she was getting around.  I do see in his statement that he has a truck - anyone know what kind or color?

I think she left her car at Amscot the night of the 26th not because it was out of gas but because the smell was so bad, she didn't want Tony or any of Tony's neighbors/roomates to notice the smell. I think she woke up the 27th, walked or took a cab to the Amscot, used the car to run around and do whatever she did that morning and returned it to the Amscot when she was done. I think she did the same thing later than afternoon too.

jmo
That makes sense.  She apparently was moving around town on the 27th, and I don't think she wanted anyone to smell that car. I wondered if she borrowed Tony's car for her traveling on the 27th.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: alleycat86 on October 24, 2008, 12:34:17 AM
Hi Monkeys.  What's happening tonight?  I missed Nancy Grace--should I go back and try to watch it?  I mean, was there anything important on it?
fbi results coming in tomorrow! and they talked about how easy it is to make chloroform
alleycat86, what fbi results are coming in tomorrow?  I'm sorry, I'm woefully out of touch and been working way too many hours.  I didn't know there were significant fbi results that we were expecting.  I have my doubts that it is that easy to make chloroform.
the forensic lab reports i believe pertaining to the trunk.  they also gave actual examples of how to make it iirc they gave 3 examples of how to make it using different ingredients


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 24, 2008, 12:34:30 AM
Going back to Dates

June 13th Tony Lazzaro room mate states Casey Brought Caylee up to Fusion Bar
June 14/15 Father's Day Weekend - Neighbors noted Yelling and or Arguments from the Anthony House

Sunday June 15 - Cindy takes Caylee to see her Great Granpa at the Nursing Home

June 15th Evening Cindy/Casey use the Pool and Cindy is on record stating she removed the Stairs from the Pool Side.

Monday June 16 - Cindy goes to Work
George is on Record of Seeing Casey /Caylee Leaving the Anthony House prior to him going to Work
George leaves for work at 2:30 pm

Casey's Phone Calls Start June 16th at 3:00pm

3:03 to dad’s cell
4:10 to mom’s work
4:11 to mom’s cell
4:13 to mom’s cell
4:14 to mom’s work
4:19 to Tony Lazarro
4:21 to Jesse Grund
4:24 mom’s cell
6:32 mom at home
6:33 home voicemail
7:06 mom at home
7:20 Amy

Cindy Returns from Work June 16th comes home from work and finds the pool ladder is attached to the pool and the fence gate is open.

No One is home

*** Since Cindy works at a Doctors office Why would No One Answer the Phone? Even if the Office closed at 4pm would there not be a answering Service to take after hour calls?

If Casey didnt have a Cell phone " What would she Do with all her Time?" Me asking
I can't imagine how many Hours of the Day Caylee was not WATCHED due to her consistent Phone usage.

How can you Raise a Toddler when you have a Cell phone In One hand / or strapped to your head 20 hours of the Day ?

Talk about Obsessive Compulsive Behavior - Constantly needed Stimulation from Others
She must be going Nuts in Solitude in Jail .....  ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 12:35:13 AM
Hi Monkeys.  What's happening tonight?  I missed Nancy Grace--should I go back and try to watch it?  I mean, was there anything important on it?
fbi results coming in tomorrow! and they talked about how easy it is to make chloroform
alleycat86, what fbi results are coming in tomorrow?  I'm sorry, I'm woefully out of touch and been working way too many hours.  I didn't know there were significant fbi results that we were expecting.  I have my doubts that it is that easy to make chloroform.

All the discovery that Baez went to court for 2 weeks ago and the judge ordered it to be handed over in 10 days. The 10 days is up tomorrow.


I think these become public record when handed over to the defense, so they should be published.  Interesting.  Maybe we'll learn exactly what the chloroform levels were in the car, and what the tests on the trunk showed.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 12:37:36 AM
I looked at these calls last night.  They appear to me to be tracking calls, trying to locate where Cindy and George are. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 12:39:06 AM
Hi Monkeys.  What's happening tonight?  I missed Nancy Grace--should I go back and try to watch it?  I mean, was there anything important on it?
fbi results coming in tomorrow! and they talked about how easy it is to make chloroform
alleycat86, what fbi results are coming in tomorrow?  I'm sorry, I'm woefully out of touch and been working way too many hours.  I didn't know there were significant fbi results that we were expecting.  I have my doubts that it is that easy to make chloroform.

All the discovery that Baez went to court for 2 weeks ago and the judge ordered it to be handed over in 10 days. The 10 days is up tomorrow.



http://www.sci-spot.com/Chemistry/chloro2.htm

The judge ruled in favor that Casey's attornry has the right to see results of the tests on the hair and stain in the trunk, to inspect Casey's car and even to take its own air samples. Prosecution says there is more evidence supporting more serious charges, however the FBI has that information and those documents have not been released.  These are the motions judge granted:

Strickland granted the following motions for the defense: Demand For Discovery And Inspection Relating to Digital Forensic Evidence, Motion To Inspect, Test And Photograph Evidence Held By The State Of Florida,  Motion To Compel Department Of Children And Family Records, Demand For Discovery And Inspection Relating To Polygraphs,  Motion To Compel Flight Manifest,  Motion To Compel Results Of Forensic Testing Motion To Compel For Evidence Related To Any Zenaida Gonzalez.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 24, 2008, 12:40:33 AM
I looked at these calls last night.  They appear to me to be tracking calls, trying to locate where Cindy and George are. 
Yep more than likely Your Spot On - I keep forgetting Casey's Motives of her actions


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 24, 2008, 12:44:31 AM
We all know that Casey "stole" from Everyone - BUT GEEEZ Who paid her Cell Phone Bill every month?
And How would she be able to have a Cell phone contract without proving income or without employment
Was her Cell phone in Cindy's Name ...
Just like Casey Told LE I own my Car... and it's Titled and insured in my Parents name. BUT I own it.
Lee's Car ... that George Bought and Lee Drove and blah blah blah ... But  Its my Car " I own it".


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 12:45:15 AM
Hi Monkeys.  What's happening tonight?  I missed Nancy Grace--should I go back and try to watch it?  I mean, was there anything important on it?
fbi results coming in tomorrow! and they talked about how easy it is to make chloroform
alleycat86, what fbi results are coming in tomorrow?  I'm sorry, I'm woefully out of touch and been working way too many hours.  I didn't know there were significant fbi results that we were expecting.  I have my doubts that it is that easy to make chloroform.

All the discovery that Baez went to court for 2 weeks ago and the judge ordered it to be handed over in 10 days. The 10 days is up tomorrow.



http://www.sci-spot.com/Chemistry/chloro2.htm

The judge ruled in favor that Casey's attornry has the right to see results of the tests on the hair and stain in the trunk, to inspect Casey's car and even to take its own air samples. Prosecution says there is more evidence supporting more serious charges, however the FBI has that information and those documents have not been released.  These are the motions judge granted:

Strickland granted the following motions for the defense: Demand For Discovery And Inspection Relating to Digital Forensic Evidence, Motion To Inspect, Test And Photograph Evidence Held By The State Of Florida,  Motion To Compel Department Of Children And Family Records, Demand For Discovery And Inspection Relating To Polygraphs,  Motion To Compel Flight Manifest,  Motion To Compel Results Of Forensic Testing Motion To Compel For Evidence Related To Any Zenaida Gonzalez.
Thanks!  These will be interesting.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 12:46:15 AM
We all know that Casey "stole" from Everyone - BUT GEEEZ Who paid her Cell Phone Bill every month?
And How would she be able to have a Cell phone contract without proving income or without employment
Was her Cell phone in Cindy's Name ...
Just like Casey Told LE I own my Car... and it's Titled and insured in my Parents name. BUT I own it.
Lee's Car ... that George Bought and Lee Drove and blah blah blah ... But  Its my Car " I own it".


Wasn't there a very high cell phone bill that Cindy paid?  Something like over $500?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 12:47:27 AM
Baez trying to get car evidence thrown out.
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790182/index.html

I bet he got the evidence before we did. LOL!

Must be damning.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 12:48:58 AM
We all know that Casey "stole" from Everyone - BUT GEEEZ Who paid her Cell Phone Bill every month?
And How would she be able to have a Cell phone contract without proving income or without employment
Was her Cell phone in Cindy's Name ...
Just like Casey Told LE I own my Car... and it's Titled and insured in my Parents name. BUT I own it.
Lee's Car ... that George Bought and Lee Drove and blah blah blah ... But  Its my Car " I own it".


It is probably a family plan.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 24, 2008, 12:50:20 AM
http://www.jurorthirteen.com/CayleeAnthony/tabid/810/Default.aspx

Snipped from Oct 14 2008

The Grand Jury, Of Orange county, Florida, handed down a 7 count indictment against Casey Anthony, today. The Grand Jury declared that between June 15th and July 16th, 2008, Anthony premeditated the killing of Caylee Marie Anthony. This is First Degree Capital Murder which means Anthony may be eligible for the death penalty.

Anthony's second (2) count was for Aggravated Child Abuse, causing great bodily harm, permanent disfigurement or permanent disability to Caylee, or intentionally committing an act or actively encouraging another person to commit an act which could result in physical injury to her.

Count three (3) is for Aggravated Manslaughter of a child. It states that the Grand Jury believes that Casey failed to provide Caylee with the care, supervision and services necessary to maintain Caylee's physical and mental health, or failed to make a reasonable effort to protect her from abuse, neglect or exploitation by another person, and in doing so caused the death of her daughter.

The next four indictments had to do with Anthony misleading and lying to the investigator, Yuri Melich. These counts are all titled 'Providing False Information to a Law Enforcement Officer'.

The fourth count (4) states that Anthony intended to mislead Melich by telling him she was employed at Universal Studios Orlando during the year 2008.

Count five (5)is for misleading and impeding Melich's investigation by lying and telling him that she left Caylee at the Sawgrass Apartments with Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez on June 9, 2008.

The next count (6) is for the lie Anthony told Melich when she said she had told Jeffrey Michael Hopkins and Juliette Lewis, former Universal Studios Orlando employees, about Caylee's disappearance, thus impeding his investigation.

The final (7) count was for lying to Melich about Casey getting a phone call from Caylee on July 15th. (NLH)

----------------

Motion Hearing Results

Judge Strickland granted the following eight motions: Demand For Discovery And Inspection Relating to Digital Forensic Evidence, Motion To Inspect, Test And Photograph Evidence Held By The State Of Florida, Motion To Compel Department Of Children And Family Records, Demand For Discovery And Inspection Relating To Polygraphs, Motion To Compel Flight Manifest, Motion To Compel Results Of Forensic Testing, and Motion To Compel For Evidence Related To Any Zenaida Gonzalez.

The judge tabled the following three motions and said he would not rule before Monday: Motion To Preserve Forensic Evidence, Motion For Allowing Defendant To Travel To Places Of Interest and Motion To Seal.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 24, 2008, 12:51:46 AM
We all know that Casey "stole" from Everyone - BUT GEEEZ Who paid her Cell Phone Bill every month?
And How would she be able to have a Cell phone contract without proving income or without employment
Was her Cell phone in Cindy's Name ...
Just like Casey Told LE I own my Car... and it's Titled and insured in my Parents name. BUT I own it.
Lee's Car ... that George Bought and Lee Drove and blah blah blah ... But  Its my Car " I own it".


It is probably a family plan.
::MonkeyLaugh:: Your Not Kidding Klaas


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 24, 2008, 12:51:55 AM
We all know that Casey "stole" from Everyone - BUT GEEEZ Who paid her Cell Phone Bill every month?
And How would she be able to have a Cell phone contract without proving income or without employment
Was her Cell phone in Cindy's Name ...
Just like Casey Told LE I own my Car... and it's Titled and insured in my Parents name. BUT I own it.
Lee's Car ... that George Bought and Lee Drove and blah blah blah ... But  Its my Car " I own it".


It is probably a family plan.

Casey did steal from her grandmother's account to pay an AT&T bill.  Maybe she did have 2 phones?  I don't know - she is just to crazy to figure out!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 12:52:25 AM
Ya, you do wonder how she could afford to pay thoes high cell phone bills, they range from $120 to $500 plus.

She even used one of Amy's checks to pay her bill. It was over 500.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 24, 2008, 12:53:40 AM
We all know that Casey "stole" from Everyone - BUT GEEEZ Who paid her Cell Phone Bill every month?
And How would she be able to have a Cell phone contract without proving income or without employment
Was her Cell phone in Cindy's Name ...
Just like Casey Told LE I own my Car... and it's Titled and insured in my Parents name. BUT I own it.
Lee's Car ... that George Bought and Lee Drove and blah blah blah ... But  Its my Car " I own it".


Wasn't there a very high cell phone bill that Cindy paid?  Something like over $500?
Im not sure if Cindy paid it but I believe that Casey Used " AMY's" Money to pay on her Cell.

If I recall ......... and it was around 500.00


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: higherhopes on October 24, 2008, 12:53:55 AM
Klaas...you have mail....again.......TY


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 24, 2008, 12:54:29 AM
One more curious thing to me...when Cindy picked up Casey from Tony's on July 15th why did Casey who never parts with her cell phone leave it at Tony's house?  I just found that strange.   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 12:56:25 AM
One more curious thing to me...when Cindy picked up Casey from Tony's on July 15th why did Casey who never parts with her cell phone leave it at Tony's house?  I just found that strange.   

I wondered about that, too.  Most girls like Casey who live on their phone would have picked it up automatically before leaving with Cindy.  Perhaps she was too upset to be aware of what she had with her?  Nah...that is just a weird thing.  She would have taken her purse and cell phone, automatically.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 24, 2008, 12:56:33 AM
We all know that Casey "stole" from Everyone - BUT GEEEZ Who paid her Cell Phone Bill every month?
And How would she be able to have a Cell phone contract without proving income or without employment
Was her Cell phone in Cindy's Name ...
Just like Casey Told LE I own my Car... and it's Titled and insured in my Parents name. BUT I own it.
Lee's Car ... that George Bought and Lee Drove and blah blah blah ... But  Its my Car " I own it".


It is probably a family plan.

Casey did steal from her grandmother's account to pay an AT&T bill.  Maybe she did have 2 phones?  I don't know - she is just to crazy to figure out!!

There's one picture of Casey with a phone that looks like a blackberry and others where it looks like a flip phone. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 24, 2008, 12:56:52 AM
" If" it was a Family plan and all calls were either logged online or on a paper bill - Someone paid it

If Cindy was able to see the Call logs and Never Questioned Casey ....

SWEETHEART How can you Work at your Job when Your On your Cell Phone 12 hours a Day with Your Friends........????

Makes Me Nuts the Lack there of Anything Rational with this Family  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: m2kfl on October 24, 2008, 12:59:14 AM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::
a sony radio, aound 32.00

MURT


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 24, 2008, 12:59:21 AM
If her Caseys Cell phone Bill came in the Mail it would be like receiving the Readers Digest .........

I have never in my life seen such phone calls itemized ...other than for a Business


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 01:01:08 AM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::
a sony radio, aound 32.00

MURT

If we could program it to play John Tesh  24/7, that would be excellent.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 01:02:25 AM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::
a sony radio, aound 32.00

MURT
If I were Casey, I'd have bought that by now.  Anything to dispell the silence and lack of other human voices.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 24, 2008, 01:03:15 AM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::
a sony radio, aound 32.00

MURT

If we could program it to play John Tesh  24/7, that would be excellent.
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Good One ~~ Lawrence Welk at intermission


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 01:03:53 AM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::
a sony radio, aound 32.00

MURT
If I were Casey, I'd have bought that by now.  Anything to dispell the silence and lack of other human voices.

She hasn't bought a think. I thought by now she'd be porking up on moon pies and beef jerky.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 01:04:40 AM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::
a sony radio, aound 32.00

MURT

If we could program it to play John Tesh  24/7, that would be excellent.
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Good One ~~ Lawrence Welk at intermission

And Clay Aiken, three times a day. Just for a mix.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 24, 2008, 01:05:16 AM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::
a sony radio, aound 32.00

MURT
If I were Casey, I'd have bought that by now.  Anything to dispell the silence and lack of other human voices.
No, Imo she is playing her Martyr Role .... sitting Pretty and Very Very Quiet  ::MonkeyWaa::

She hasn't bought a think. I thought by now she'd be porking up on moon pies and beef jerky.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 01:05:24 AM
Murt, do you know anymore about the witness who says he saw Casey by the road with the shovel?  What's your opinion of his credibility?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 24, 2008, 01:21:15 AM
Is this thing frozen???    ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 24, 2008, 01:21:47 AM
http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

Never knew everything was posted on the Orange County Sheriffs Site  - All documents


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: IMissThirdGrade on October 24, 2008, 01:24:00 AM
HH are you still here????




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 24, 2008, 01:30:35 AM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::
a sony radio, aound 32.00

MURT
If I were Casey, I'd have bought that by now.  Anything to dispell the silence and lack of other human voices.

She hasn't bought a think. I thought by now she'd be porking up on moon pies and beef jerky.

You're so right - she hasn't bought a think in a really long time !!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Deenie on October 24, 2008, 01:30:40 AM
http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

Never knew everything was posted on the Orange County Sheriffs Site  - All documents

Interesting on the list of Documents by OCSO  - All service Calls ( History ) from the Anthony's House to Sheriff and or 911

 Posted 08.27.08 - 1:55pm     Jim Solomons   Calls for service summary   8/27/2008    48.14      Download

What would a Rescue be ? Says Service Call 2004  Type of call: Rescue


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 24, 2008, 01:31:50 AM
HH are you still here????




Are HH and Destiny the same person ? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 24, 2008, 01:33:06 AM
Good night everybody, I am falling asleep at my computer!!

See you tomorrow!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 24, 2008, 01:34:02 AM
What's the most expensive thing you can buy there? Maybe she's saving up.  ::MonkeyTongue::
a sony radio, aound 32.00

MURT

If we could program it to play John Tesh  24/7, that would be excellent.

Far worse than the chair......


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:35:49 AM
Good night monkeys.... I lucked up and had a cancellation tomorrow....hopefully the new doc dump will go down while I am home.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 24, 2008, 01:36:24 AM
Good night everybody, I am falling asleep at my computer!!

See you tomorrow!!

Goodnight Mytime...sleep well,...hope you are all feeling better at home. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 01:37:17 AM
Klaas,  One day if you feel like it, try to put this map in 3D it's the 30th and I tried to label only the marker titles. Thanks, Jackie

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 01:37:47 AM
I'm calling it a night as well

GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 24, 2008, 01:40:07 AM
Me too...or three... Goodnight Everyone


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 01:42:09 AM
Hi PJ  She didn't stay around very long.  She said she would be back when she could - I sure hope so.

Jackie


Hi KCJackie.  It's GOOD to see you.  I'm playing catch up.  Then must head to bed.  Hubby and I are going out for lunch and over to our son's home tomorrow.  I'll be so far behind by the time I get home tomorrow  ::MonkeyWaa:: that just thinking of it makes me ill.

I so want to get to the FBI results the minute they are released.

Well I think I have 2 or 3 pages to go and then I'm caught up  ::MonkeyDance:: !!!!!!

Good Night Sweetie!  Good night to all of the other Sweet Monkeys too.  Sleep Peacefully!

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 01:45:47 AM
Hi PJ  She didn't stay around very long.  She said she would be back when she could - I sure hope so.

Jackie


Hi KCJackie.  It's GOOD to see you.  I'm playing catch up.  Then must head to bed.  Hubby and I are going out for lunch and over to our son's home tomorrow.  I'll be so far behind by the time I get home tomorrow  ::MonkeyWaa:: that just thinking of it makes me ill.

I so want to get to the FBI results the minute they are released.

Well I think I have 2 or 3 pages to go and then I'm caught up  ::MonkeyDance:: !!!!!!

Good Night Sweetie!  Good night to all of the other Sweet Monkeys too.  Sleep Peacefully!

PJ :flower:

Good Night PJ!  Enjoy tomorrow!  The results will be waiting for you when you get back.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: ilovegoodies on October 24, 2008, 01:49:27 AM
I was pretty ticked at Kobe then realized he's letting the cat out of the bag about what some of his info will be as a witness. But hey it is what it is no matter who says it.

I've never gotten upset about families using donation money for living expenses but at least before they WERE looking for their missing loved one instead of demanding someone else do it while they sit on their *****

I know the Good Book says we are to be forgiving and tolerant but these people make me forget that I'm a good person ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bongosmom on October 24, 2008, 01:51:10 AM
Klaas,  One day if you feel like it, try to put this map in 3D it's the 30th and I tried to label only the marker titles. Thanks, Jackie

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1)
Interesting map - according to the calls, did she not sleep at all that night?  Why wasn't she spending the night at Tony's?  She was calling her mom's house at 1:30 in the morning? And the number 15 marker - am I reading that correctly to show that she was in the woods off the Beachline after 4 in the morning?  If I am looking at it correctly, that's where I'd be searching - at that spot off the Beachline.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 01:58:19 AM
Klaas,  One day if you feel like it, try to put this map in 3D it's the 30th and I tried to label only the marker titles. Thanks, Jackie

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1)
Interesting map - according to the calls, did she not sleep at all that night?  Why wasn't she spending the night at Tony's?  She was calling her mom's house at 1:30 in the morning? And the number 15 marker - am I reading that correctly to show that she was in the woods off the Beachline after 4 in the morning?  If I am looking at it correctly, that's where I'd be searching - at that spot off the Beachline.


I'm sure she was up the whole night,  JMO - but I think this is the night she probably "got rid" of Caylee.  The Anthony's home placed several calls to her from 1:30 - 2:00 am - which is a little odd compared to the rest of the nights.  #15 is where I think she took her.  For some reason she starts calling Andy F. on this day or the day before - can't remember off hand.  I looked up his address and it looks like he could live close to maybe #14.  #15 I believe is one of the areas they will be searching.  Hopefully.  At 10:00 am she was calling Jesse to use his shower - which she showed up right after that per Jesse. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bongosmom on October 24, 2008, 02:12:06 AM
Klaas,  One day if you feel like it, try to put this map in 3D it's the 30th and I tried to label only the marker titles. Thanks, Jackie

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1)
Interesting map - according to the calls, did she not sleep at all that night?  Why wasn't she spending the night at Tony's?  She was calling her mom's house at 1:30 in the morning? And the number 15 marker - am I reading that correctly to show that she was in the woods off the Beachline after 4 in the morning?  If I am looking at it correctly, that's where I'd be searching - at that spot off the Beachline.


I'm sure she was up the whole night,  JMO - but I think this is the night she probably "got rid" of Caylee.  The Anthony's home placed several calls to her from 1:30 - 2:00 am - which is a little odd compared to the rest of the nights.  #15 is where I think she took her.  For some reason she starts calling Andy F. on this day or the day before - can't remember off hand.  I looked up his address and it looks like he could live close to maybe #14.  #15 I believe is one of the areas they will be searching.  Hopefully.  At 10:00 am she was calling Jesse to use his shower - which she showed up right after that per Jesse. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Yup.  I think you've got that one pegged exactly right.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 02:18:29 AM
Klaas,  One day if you feel like it, try to put this map in 3D it's the 30th and I tried to label only the marker titles. Thanks, Jackie

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1)
Interesting map - according to the calls, did she not sleep at all that night?  Why wasn't she spending the night at Tony's?  She was calling her mom's house at 1:30 in the morning? And the number 15 marker - am I reading that correctly to show that she was in the woods off the Beachline after 4 in the morning?  If I am looking at it correctly, that's where I'd be searching - at that spot off the Beachline.


I'm sure she was up the whole night,  JMO - but I think this is the night she probably "got rid" of Caylee.  The Anthony's home placed several calls to her from 1:30 - 2:00 am - which is a little odd compared to the rest of the nights.  #15 is where I think she took her.  For some reason she starts calling Andy F. on this day or the day before - can't remember off hand.  I looked up his address and it looks like he could live close to maybe #14.  #15 I believe is one of the areas they will be searching.  Hopefully.  At 10:00 am she was calling Jesse to use his shower - which she showed up right after that per Jesse. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Yup.  I think you've got that one pegged exactly right.

TY - Now we have to figure out how she got around (no pun intended) without a vehicle from the 26/27 - 30th.  And who was the dark haired guy in the truck at her parents house that the neighbor seen her with?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: VinceVixen on October 24, 2008, 02:42:00 AM
Klaas,  One day if you feel like it, try to put this map in 3D it's the 30th and I tried to label only the marker titles. Thanks, Jackie

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1)
Interesting map - according to the calls, did she not sleep at all that night?  Why wasn't she spending the night at Tony's?  She was calling her mom's house at 1:30 in the morning? And the number 15 marker - am I reading that correctly to show that she was in the woods off the Beachline after 4 in the morning?  If I am looking at it correctly, that's where I'd be searching - at that spot off the Beachline.


I'm sure she was up the whole night,  JMO - but I think this is the night she probably "got rid" of Caylee.  The Anthony's home placed several calls to her from 1:30 - 2:00 am - which is a little odd compared to the rest of the nights.  #15 is where I think she took her.  For some reason she starts calling Andy F. on this day or the day before - can't remember off hand.  I looked up his address and it looks like he could live close to maybe #14.  #15 I believe is one of the areas they will be searching.  Hopefully.  At 10:00 am she was calling Jesse to use his shower - which she showed up right after that per Jesse. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Yup.  I think you've got that one pegged exactly right.

TY - Now we have to figure out how she got around (no pun intended) without a vehicle from the 26/27 - 30th.  And who was the dark haired guy in the truck at her parents house that the neighbor seen her with?

Ok can someone tell me anything else they know about this Andy guy? I know he lived at the Sawgrass Apts. but is he a direct friend of Casey? If so, why would he help her out? No one ever talks about this guy which is weird since she kept calling him that night...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: ilovegoodies on October 24, 2008, 02:50:03 AM
KCJackie, all your hard work on the pings may have just hit paydirt!!!!!!. I hope you get the message to someone to look there as in Tim himself or LP. This girl's life is on the line and you never know who may be on a team that might have KC's best interests in mind not justice for Caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 02:55:13 AM
KCJackie, all your hard work on the pings may have just hit paydirt!!!!!!. I hope you get the message to someone to look there as in Tim himself or LP. This girl's life is on the line and you never know who may be on a team that might have KC's best interests in mind not justice for Caylee.

I've worried about that too!  I've had this map for a few weeks now.  And today someone posted that they were going to be meeting at the KOA campgrounds in this vicinity.  Which would be giving notice to everyone in KC's camp I would think. I would think that LE has gave this info to them.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 02:55:52 AM
Klaas,  One day if you feel like it, try to put this map in 3D it's the 30th and I tried to label only the marker titles. Thanks, Jackie

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1)
Interesting map - according to the calls, did she not sleep at all that night?  Why wasn't she spending the night at Tony's?  She was calling her mom's house at 1:30 in the morning? And the number 15 marker - am I reading that correctly to show that she was in the woods off the Beachline after 4 in the morning?  If I am looking at it correctly, that's where I'd be searching - at that spot off the Beachline.


I'm sure she was up the whole night,  JMO - but I think this is the night she probably "got rid" of Caylee.  The Anthony's home placed several calls to her from 1:30 - 2:00 am - which is a little odd compared to the rest of the nights.  #15 is where I think she took her.  For some reason she starts calling Andy F. on this day or the day before - can't remember off hand.  I looked up his address and it looks like he could live close to maybe #14.  #15 I believe is one of the areas they will be searching.  Hopefully.  At 10:00 am she was calling Jesse to use his shower - which she showed up right after that per Jesse. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Yup.  I think you've got that one pegged exactly right.

TY - Now we have to figure out how she got around (no pun intended) without a vehicle from the 26/27 - 30th.  And who was the dark haired guy in the truck at her parents house that the neighbor seen her with?

Ok can someone tell me anything else they know about this Andy guy? I know he lived at the Sawgrass Apts. but is he a direct friend of Casey? If so, why would he help her out? No one ever talks about this guy which is weird since she kept calling him that night...

Andy lived at Sawgrass?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: ilovegoodies on October 24, 2008, 02:59:50 AM
Maybe there is something on the cast of character's thread


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 03:04:22 AM
Maybe there is something on the cast of character's thread

I have not seen anything about him yet.  It would she be nice to figure out who he is and how he knows KC.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: VinceVixen on October 24, 2008, 03:11:23 AM
Klaas,  One day if you feel like it, try to put this map in 3D it's the 30th and I tried to label only the marker titles. Thanks, Jackie

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1)
Interesting map - according to the calls, did she not sleep at all that night?  Why wasn't she spending the night at Tony's?  She was calling her mom's house at 1:30 in the morning? And the number 15 marker - am I reading that correctly to show that she was in the woods off the Beachline after 4 in the morning?  If I am looking at it correctly, that's where I'd be searching - at that spot off the Beachline.


I'm sure she was up the whole night,  JMO - but I think this is the night she probably "got rid" of Caylee.  The Anthony's home placed several calls to her from 1:30 - 2:00 am - which is a little odd compared to the rest of the nights.  #15 is where I think she took her.  For some reason she starts calling Andy F. on this day or the day before - can't remember off hand.  I looked up his address and it looks like he could live close to maybe #14.  #15 I believe is one of the areas they will be searching.  Hopefully.  At 10:00 am she was calling Jesse to use his shower - which she showed up right after that per Jesse. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Yup.  I think you've got that one pegged exactly right.

TY - Now we have to figure out how she got around (no pun intended) without a vehicle from the 26/27 - 30th.  And who was the dark haired guy in the truck at her parents house that the neighbor seen her with?

Ok can someone tell me anything else they know about this Andy guy? I know he lived at the Sawgrass Apts. but is he a direct friend of Casey? If so, why would he help her out? No one ever talks about this guy which is weird since she kept calling him that night...

Andy lived at Sawgrass?

Well that is what LP said.. unless the transcriber wrote the wrong name, which is what I'm think now, since the name Annie Downing sounds the same, and SHE did live there... sorry for the confusion but this is where I got it...

<snip>
PADILLA: She did go there on the 17th, she did fill out an application. And the information is accurate. Her phone number is the same phone number that she has as of yesterday.

And I think what it is that Casey has friends in Apartment 218, Andy Downey and Dante, and I think somehow, she got a hold of that application.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3233.msg458653#msg458653


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 03:15:22 AM
Klaas,  One day if you feel like it, try to put this map in 3D it's the 30th and I tried to label only the marker titles. Thanks, Jackie

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1)
Interesting map - according to the calls, did she not sleep at all that night?  Why wasn't she spending the night at Tony's?  She was calling her mom's house at 1:30 in the morning? And the number 15 marker - am I reading that correctly to show that she was in the woods off the Beachline after 4 in the morning?  If I am looking at it correctly, that's where I'd be searching - at that spot off the Beachline.


I'm sure she was up the whole night,  JMO - but I think this is the night she probably "got rid" of Caylee.  The Anthony's home placed several calls to her from 1:30 - 2:00 am - which is a little odd compared to the rest of the nights.  #15 is where I think she took her.  For some reason she starts calling Andy F. on this day or the day before - can't remember off hand.  I looked up his address and it looks like he could live close to maybe #14.  #15 I believe is one of the areas they will be searching.  Hopefully.  At 10:00 am she was calling Jesse to use his shower - which she showed up right after that per Jesse. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Yup.  I think you've got that one pegged exactly right.

TY - Now we have to figure out how she got around (no pun intended) without a vehicle from the 26/27 - 30th.  And who was the dark haired guy in the truck at her parents house that the neighbor seen her with?

Ok can someone tell me anything else they know about this Andy guy? I know he lived at the Sawgrass Apts. but is he a direct friend of Casey? If so, why would he help her out? No one ever talks about this guy which is weird since she kept calling him that night...

Andy lived at Sawgrass?

Well that is what LP said.. unless the transcriber wrote the wrong name, which is what I'm think now, since the name Annie Downing sounds the same, and SHE did live there... sorry for the confusion but this is where I got it...

<snip>
PADILLA: She did go there on the 17th, she did fill out an application. And the information is accurate. Her phone number is the same phone number that she has as of yesterday.

And I think what it is that Casey has friends in Apartment 218, Andy Downey and Dante, and I think somehow, she got a hold of that application.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3233.msg458653#msg458653

Oh I get it...I was getting all excited thinking you could tell me something about him!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Minaa on October 24, 2008, 03:47:55 AM
Whew finally home from work.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Minaa on October 24, 2008, 03:52:05 AM
Im so sorry somehow i hit enter before i was done posting.

Is there a chance maybe near the dates of the chloroform searches or near the 15 or 16 th June, that Casey bought bleach,ice and maybe some of the other things to make it, were bought at a grocery store ?

I ask cause maybe she used her customer savings cards.Most grocery stores in Orlando have them (winn dixie).
Most people give the cashier their card without thinking twice.

I know i am reaching here , but u never know.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 05:09:25 AM
Klaas,  One day if you feel like it, try to put this map in 3D it's the 30th and I tried to label only the marker titles. Thanks, Jackie

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1)
Interesting map - according to the calls, did she not sleep at all that night?  Why wasn't she spending the night at Tony's?  She was calling her mom's house at 1:30 in the morning? And the number 15 marker - am I reading that correctly to show that she was in the woods off the Beachline after 4 in the morning?  If I am looking at it correctly, that's where I'd be searching - at that spot off the Beachline.


I'm sure she was up the whole night,  JMO - but I think this is the night she probably "got rid" of Caylee.  The Anthony's home placed several calls to her from 1:30 - 2:00 am - which is a little odd compared to the rest of the nights.  #15 is where I think she took her.  For some reason she starts calling Andy F. on this day or the day before - can't remember off hand.  I looked up his address and it looks like he could live close to maybe #14.  #15 I believe is one of the areas they will be searching.  Hopefully.  At 10:00 am she was calling Jesse to use his shower - which she showed up right after that per Jesse. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Yup.  I think you've got that one pegged exactly right.

TY - Now we have to figure out how she got around (no pun intended) without a vehicle from the 26/27 - 30th.  And who was the dark haired guy in the truck at her parents house that the neighbor seen her with?

Ok can someone tell me anything else they know about this Andy guy? I know he lived at the Sawgrass Apts. but is he a direct friend of Casey? If so, why would he help her out? No one ever talks about this guy which is weird since she kept calling him that night...

Andy lived at Sawgrass?

Tony left on the 30th. Perhaps she slept in his jeep that night and drove around doing whatever she was doing. (finish burying Caylee or making sure where she dumped her...it was still safe and she was still covered. She probably got dirt on her shoes when she was checking and vacummned and washed Tony's jeep.

The next morning July 1st, is when she called and woke jesse up and asked him to come and use his shower, because Tony was out of town and she couldnt get in his house, even though she had his car keys.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 24, 2008, 06:26:57 AM
One more curious thing to me...when Cindy picked up Casey from Tony's on July 15th why did Casey who never parts with her cell phone leave it at Tony's house?  I just found that strange.   

I wondered about that, too.  Most girls like Casey who live on their phone would have picked it up automatically before leaving with Cindy.  Perhaps she was too upset to be aware of what she had with her?  Nah...that is just a weird thing.  She would have taken her purse and cell phone, automatically.
Casey left her phone at Tony's?
So how did Cindy and Casey go through all of Casey's contacts and notify them that Caylee was missing for 31 days?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 06:28:09 AM
Good morning sweet monkeys!!! (http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/gifs5/AddEmoticons097100.gif)


So,after watching NG last night,some of my thoughts have changed..Tony is not a nice guy no matter how much he cooperated with LE..
In fact Tony,this is for you>>>(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/gifs5/AddEmoticons126134.gif)..I was so angry last night after watching the show I had to stay up awhile just to wind down and then sleep was forever coming..(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons12638.gif)"You can come over,but don't bring Caylee"?(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gaah-11.gif) He is just as skanky as the rest of them!! I know he didn't think Casey would kill Caylee but it just goes to show that he didn't give a rats tail about Casey or Caylee.He was after his piece and that's it! Putting his smoke and booze away for awhile was just too much to ask from a doper.His environment wasn't good to have a child around and he made sure he was going to keep it that way.That in no way makes him a good guy!!He makes me want to throw up and I for one hope he never comes back to this forum..(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/icon_puke_l-1.gif) All the crud about how sweet and cute little Caylee was,(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/37.gif)...Oh yeah,Casey is just as bad for not seeing through the punk and the realization it was her(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/248.gif) he was after and that's all...Yep! I'm still pretty angry about him and wouldn't trust him as far as I could toss him!! It seem's Casey didn't have any friends in her life that was of any value and worth keeping except for maybe Amy..Poor little Caylee,it seem's no one wanted her around except George and Cindy..(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons12683.gif) Hell won't be hot enough for people like this!!! jmo

Onto Kobe! I was elated that Nancy cut him off so quick last night and even did manage to laugh about it.Quick and to the point!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/buttkick.gif) Way to go Nancy!!!!!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs2/1197.gif)

Gotta get off here soon so I won't be around until this afternoon sometime.Got errands to run and such.I'm so looking forward to the FBI document drop this morning...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons00957.gif)

Sorry for venting first thing in the morning but I just had to tell someone how I feel and it might as well be my sweetest monkey friends...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons04225.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: IMissThirdGrade on October 24, 2008, 06:48:59 AM
One more curious thing to me...when Cindy picked up Casey from Tony's on July 15th why did Casey who never parts with her cell phone leave it at Tony's house?  I just found that strange.   

I wondered about that, too.  Most girls like Casey who live on their phone would have picked it up automatically before leaving with Cindy.  Perhaps she was too upset to be aware of what she had with her?  Nah...that is just a weird thing.  She would have taken her purse and cell phone, automatically.
Casey left her phone at Tony's?
So how did Cindy and Casey go through all of Casey's contacts and notify them that Caylee was missing for 31 days?

Lee went to Tony's apartment the night of July 15th to retrieve all of Casey's things...he got her phone and brought it back home.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: shoperoo on October 24, 2008, 07:13:13 AM
While listening to a local Orlando radio station, I just heard that the Today Show has announced that the Anthonys were not paid for their actual interview but they were paid for the photos they use during an interview...i.e. photos of KC and Caylee.  Station didn't say what the amount they were paid was.  I didn't see the interview.  Were photos shown???

They disgust me, all sympathy is now gone.

Because of copyright and syndication issues , they will have received a pretty heafty fee for photos of their grandaughter and her creature of a mother. 

Caylee has now become a commodity.  Cindy will milk it for every penny. I'm sure the next item on her agenda will be to trademark Caylee's name.





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: starry1st on October 24, 2008, 07:24:32 AM
REPOST:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17789226/detail.html

 
Nov. 8 Search Planned For Caylee, Kesse
Up To 4,000 Volunteer Searchers Expected


POSTED: 3:47 pm EDT October 23, 2008
UPDATED: 4:43 pm EDT October 23, 2008


WINTER PARK, Fla. -- The latest search effort planned for Caylee Anthony is generating a lot of interest.

An Orlando private investigator who has volunteered to head up the effort to recruit team leaders said he has received over 400 calls since just 5 p.m. Wednesday.

"We're looking for someone with law enforcement background, fire service background, department of corrections -- public service background essentially," said James Copenhaver, private investigator. "Those folks have had some training in the past that they can bring to the table to help us."

The search is being headed up by Equusearch, the same group based in Texas that searched for Caylee in September. The group's leader, Tim Miller, plans to return to Orlando on Nov. 7 to train team leaders. On Nov. 8, the group hopes to send as many as 3,000 or 4,000 volunteer searchers out to look for both Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse -- a Central Florida woman who has been missing since January 2006.

Equusearch is still looking for a search headquarters and determining the exact areas that will be searched. Both the sherriff's office and the FBI are on board with their efforts.

People who are interested in volunteering with Equusearch in the upcoming search for Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse on Nov. 8 call Equusearch at 877-270-9500 or go to their website at www.texasequusearch.org. If you are retired law enforcement, military personnel, or have a background in fire or rescue and would like to serve as a team leader, please contact James Copenhaver at 407-897-1184.


FYI - on the right hand side of the link above there are alot of Document, Audio and Image files in the case.

I just received a call from James Copenhaver, and I've been selected as a Team Leader. There will be an orientation with Tim Miller on the 7th of November.  I'll be searching both Sat & Sun. (8th & 9th)

Wonderful!  I wish there was some way we could see video feed as the search is going on.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 07:37:25 AM
HH are you still here????




Are HH and Destiny the same person ? 

No


Title: KC Cell Calls 3D Map
Post by: OzInterest on October 24, 2008, 07:42:41 AM
If this has already been posted I apologise.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=fltqfwFl17A


Title: Re: KC Cell Calls 3D Map
Post by: OzInterest on October 24, 2008, 07:43:54 AM
If this has already been posted I apologise.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=fltqfwFl17A

I'm such an idiot!!

Thanks Klaas


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Steel Monkey on October 24, 2008, 08:10:23 AM
'Morning Monkey's - rather quiet in the cage.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mary on October 24, 2008, 08:20:16 AM
Did they ever find out what was attached to the rope that was pulled out of the
pond?? in Blanchard Park. Also the purchase that she bought at JCP could that have
been a Car Seat, maybe there was fluids in the other car seat and she had to get
rid of it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: MisterMichaelJ on October 24, 2008, 08:23:59 AM
Evening all u beautiful Monks-

Will somebody- if possible- do me a huge favor and quickly run down the info we have about Annie??  I am getting confused....I have read and re-read so much that just have names and words floating thru my head...

TIA my friends....

Sweetgypsy

Annie is the one with the blondish hair (edited to add I'm not sure about the hair color).  She's the one with the shamrock baseball cap.  She's also the one who was living with Dante and Ricardo I think at the Sawgrass apartments at one time.

Annie on the left:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/ffw011.jpg)

That pic always makes me sad.  You can see Caylee in the background and Annie and Casey look as though she doesn't exist.  And now she's gone. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Lisa

OMG! I did NOT notice Caylee in that pic. I think I just hit a new 'low'  I'm speechless


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: goodnmad on October 24, 2008, 08:26:41 AM
morning lovely monkeys. I didn't watch NG last night. Tater -- what in the world did I miss???

Gotta run to a meeting. Nah, I think I'll walk.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 08:29:20 AM
Good Morning Steel & Mary, It's dark & raining where I am but soon we'll have the FBI test results that'll make my day!! I haven't heard anything about the rope but i do know that Caylee's carseat was in the car at the tow yard & LE has it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mary on October 24, 2008, 08:39:52 AM
The Jury has been chosen for Spectors trial, they are chosing the 6 alternates
to-day. Trial suppose to start !!later this month (how much later can it be) and last
till sometime in January, (how long did the last one take)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 08:41:39 AM
Good Morning, morning monkeys and guests


Mary, Sandcranelady, Mint_Julep, PookyBear, Monken, AZLady, heathers, MisterMichaelJ, Steel Monkey, RossiRacing1, mammajo, wreck, Kimmy53, oldfart, darby, 3bsmom, goodnmad, mstam656, trimmonthelake, KiahJ and 25 Guests are viewing this topic.

Colt - thank you for stepping forward and helping in the search coming up.

Questions:

I wonder if the LE can subpoena the letters the Casey wrote to Cindy, George and Lee that JB took when she was in jail??

Since she is not buying anything from the commissary, can her attorney (s) bring her things such as candy, deodorant?

I missed Dana and NG last night...I did read here that there will be FBI document released today and that JB is going to try to get all the car evidence quashed....yea right!  Anything else????



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 08:43:04 AM
Evening all u beautiful Monks-

Will somebody- if possible- do me a huge favor and quickly run down the info we have about Annie??  I am getting confused....I have read and re-read so much that just have names and words floating thru my head...

TIA my friends....

Sweetgypsy

Annie is the one with the blondish hair (edited to add I'm not sure about the hair color).  She's the one with the shamrock baseball cap.  She's also the one who was living with Dante and Ricardo I think at the Sawgrass apartments at one time.

Annie on the left:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/ffw011.jpg)

That pic always makes me sad.  You can see Caylee in the background and Annie and Casey look as though she doesn't exist.  And now she's gone. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Lisa

OMG! I did NOT notice Caylee in that pic. I think I just hit a new 'low'  I'm speechless

did anyone else notice how FAKE Casey's smile is...I have noticed this in several photos...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PookyBear on October 24, 2008, 08:44:07 AM
morning lovely monkeys. I didn't watch NG last night. Tater -- what in the world did I miss???

Gotta run to a meeting. Nah, I think I'll walk.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good morning goodnmad and others.  They announced last night that forensic evidence will be released today.  Others opined that there would be an insanity defense while others said that would not wash.  The search for Caylee and Jesse expects 4000 people on November 8.  Kobi continues to get beat up over his theories.  I think that is it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 08:45:19 AM
morning lovely monkeys. I didn't watch NG last night. Tater -- what in the world did I miss???

Gotta run to a meeting. Nah, I think I'll walk.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good morning goodnmad and others.  They announced last night that forensic evidence will be released today.  Others opined that there would be an insanity defense while others said that would not wash.  The search for Caylee and Jesse expects 4000 people on November 8.  Kobi continues to get beat up over his theories.  I think that is it.

I am one of the others ::MonkeyWink:: thanks...much appreciated


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 08:48:18 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/GizmoBird/Emotions/gm.gif)

I hope for Casey its a (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/GizmoBird/Emotions/29381.gif)

And we all see Casey as (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/GizmoBird/Emotions/titanic.gif)

LMAO just a few more smilies for Tater to grab!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PookyBear on October 24, 2008, 08:52:56 AM
morning lovely monkeys. I didn't watch NG last night. Tater -- what in the world did I miss???

Gotta run to a meeting. Nah, I think I'll walk.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good morning goodnmad and others.  They announced last night that forensic evidence will be released today.  Others opined that there would be an insanity defense while others said that would not wash.  The search for Caylee and Jesse expects 4000 people on November 8.  Kobi continues to get beat up over his theories.  I think that is it.

I am one of the others ::MonkeyWink:: thanks...much appreciated
Good morning Sunny, I am sorry I did not call you by name.  I am looking forward to the evidence dump today.  Hopefully, it will solve some mysteries.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PookyBear on October 24, 2008, 08:53:56 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/GizmoBird/Emotions/gm.gif)

I hope for Casey its a (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/GizmoBird/Emotions/29381.gif)

And we all see Casey as (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/GizmoBird/Emotions/titanic.gif)

LMAO just a few more smilies for Tater to grab!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good morning IamHereToday --


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mary on October 24, 2008, 08:53:59 AM
In that picture of Casey above, her eyes look like she is stoned??? This is the first
time I have noticed Caylee in the back seat and she looks so sad.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: goodnmad on October 24, 2008, 08:55:30 AM
morning lovely monkeys. I didn't watch NG last night. Tater -- what in the world did I miss???

Gotta run to a meeting. Nah, I think I'll walk.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good morning goodnmad and others.  They announced last night that forensic evidence will be released today.  Others opined that there would be an insanity defense while others said that would not wash.  The search for Caylee and Jesse expects 4000 people on November 8.  Kobi continues to get beat up over his theories.  I think that is it.

Morning PookyBear. Thanks for filling me in!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 24, 2008, 09:00:51 AM
Goog Morning Monkkeys. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 24, 2008, 09:02:01 AM
Sorry I mean Monkeys..Need more coffee. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 09:02:06 AM
morning lovely monkeys. I didn't watch NG last night. Tater -- what in the world did I miss???

Gotta run to a meeting. Nah, I think I'll walk.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good morning goodnmad and others.  They announced last night that forensic evidence will be released today.  Others opined that there would be an insanity defense while others said that would not wash.  The search for Caylee and Jesse expects 4000 people on November 8.  Kobi continues to get beat up over his theories.  I think that is it.

I am one of the others ::MonkeyWink:: thanks...much appreciated
Good morning Sunny, I am sorry I did not call you by name.  I am looking forward to the evidence dump today.  Hopefully, it will solve some mysteries.

Pooky...I was joking....sad attempt at a joke this morning (I am not a morning person even though I get up at 5:30am)....I never know who is on line unless I look at the top!!  I am also looking forward to todays release. So many mysteries in this...except for one of course...Caylee is missing, presumed dead at the hands of her mother.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: txlisa on October 24, 2008, 09:03:04 AM
Evening all u beautiful Monks-

Will somebody- if possible- do me a huge favor and quickly run down the info we have about Annie??  I am getting confused....I have read and re-read so much that just have names and words floating thru my head...

TIA my friends....

Sweetgypsy

Annie is the one with the blondish hair (edited to add I'm not sure about the hair color).  She's the one with the shamrock baseball cap.  She's also the one who was living with Dante and Ricardo I think at the Sawgrass apartments at one time.

Annie on the left:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/ffw011.jpg)

That pic always makes me sad.  You can see Caylee in the background and Annie and Casey look as though she doesn't exist.  And now she's gone. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Lisa

OMG! I did NOT notice Caylee in that pic. I think I just hit a new 'low'  I'm speechless

did anyone else notice how FAKE Casey's smile is...I have noticed this in several photos...

Good Morning!

Yes, her smile looks very forced.

Lisa


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 09:03:59 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/GizmoBird/Emotions/gm.gif)

I hope for Casey its a (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/GizmoBird/Emotions/29381.gif)

And we all see Casey as (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/GizmoBird/Emotions/titanic.gif)

LMAO just a few more smilies for Tater to grab!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL....cute and I am sure Tater will put them to good use...just as you did!  ::MonkeyWink:: they put a smile on my face this cold, dreary morning.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: goodnmad on October 24, 2008, 09:04:39 AM
Pooky...I was joking....sad attempt at a joke this morning (I am not a morning person even though I get up at 5:30am)....I never know who is on line unless I look at the top!!  I am also looking forward to todays release. So many mysteries in this...except for one of course...Caylee is missing, presumed dead at the hands of her mother.

It's rainy and cold here. I am not awake either! Need an energy drink. Already had coffee.

Hmm, I wonder what we will see from the FBI today.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 09:04:43 AM
Sorry I mean Monkeys..Need more coffee. ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL....me too!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: misitx5 on October 24, 2008, 09:06:18 AM
Morning Monkeys!!! I just left an update in the musings thread on my baby cousin that had surgery! He is doing well...


Trying to catch up as always lately...I am 15 pages behind Today....
See you guys when I am all caught up!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 09:07:03 AM
Did they ever find out what was attached to the rope that was pulled out of the
pond?? in Blanchard Park. Also the purchase that she bought at JCP could that have
been a Car Seat, maybe there was fluids in the other car seat and she had to get
rid of it.

I would love to find out...  I think the car seat is a good angle..  definite possibility at least.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 09:08:58 AM
Morning :) 

Tim Hortons coffee, anyone?  (I'm enjoying a large English Toffee. My "usual")  ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PookyBear on October 24, 2008, 09:09:03 AM
morning lovely monkeys. I didn't watch NG last night. Tater -- what in the world did I miss???

Gotta run to a meeting. Nah, I think I'll walk.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good morning goodnmad and others.  They announced last night that forensic evidence will be released today.  Others opined that there would be an insanity defense while others said that would not wash.  The search for Caylee and Jesse expects 4000 people on November 8.  Kobi continues to get beat up over his theories.  I think that is it.

I am one of the others ::MonkeyWink:: thanks...much appreciated
Good morning Sunny, I am sorry I did not call you by name.  I am looking forward to the evidence dump today.  Hopefully, it will solve some mysteries.

Pooky...I was joking....sad attempt at a joke this morning (I am not a morning person even though I get up at 5:30am)....I never know who is on line unless I look at the top!!  I am also looking forward to todays release. So many mysteries in this...except for one of course...Caylee is missing, presumed dead at the hands of her mother.

I know, it is so sad and why we are here -- we are truly amazed that someone could harm this beautiful child.  I would think that, as they have done in the past, the defense would have gotten the documents days before their release top the public (I think Monday was the 10th day).  At some point, it would seem that the continued evidence would bring home to the family that Caylee is gone and the media talks will stop (IMO). 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharlock on October 24, 2008, 09:12:33 AM
Klaas,  One day if you feel like it, try to put this map in 3D it's the 30th and I tried to label only the marker titles. Thanks, Jackie

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1)
Interesting map - according to the calls, did she not sleep at all that night?  Why wasn't she spending the night at Tony's?  She was calling her mom's house at 1:30 in the morning? And the number 15 marker - am I reading that correctly to show that she was in the woods off the Beachline after 4 in the morning?  If I am looking at it correctly, that's where I'd be searching - at that spot off the Beachline.


I'm sure she was up the whole night,  JMO - but I think this is the night she probably "got rid" of Caylee.  The Anthony's home placed several calls to her from 1:30 - 2:00 am - which is a little odd compared to the rest of the nights.  #15 is where I think she took her.  For some reason she starts calling Andy F. on this day or the day before - can't remember off hand.  I looked up his address and it looks like he could live close to maybe #14.  #15 I believe is one of the areas they will be searching.  Hopefully.  At 10:00 am she was calling Jesse to use his shower - which she showed up right after that per Jesse. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Yup.  I think you've got that one pegged exactly right.

TY - Now we have to figure out how she got around (no pun intended) without a vehicle from the 26/27 - 30th.  And who was the dark haired guy in the truck at her parents house that the neighbor seen her with?
Hi Monkeys! I'm new here but have enjoyed lurking around since I found your site a little over a week ago. You guys have really great discussions and info on this site.
I re; to your post, Caseys boyfriend said that he drove her to her house a few times including the time she stole the petrol cans (though he said he didn't get out of the car and didn't know she stole them) so I thought it was probably him.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 24, 2008, 09:12:59 AM
Morning :) 

Tim Hortons coffee, anyone?  (I'm enjoying a large English Toffee. My "usual")  ::MonkeyTongue::



Mr. Tim's is Janet's favorite.. so make sure you save some for her... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Steel Monkey on October 24, 2008, 09:13:11 AM
Morning :) 

Tim Hortons coffee, anyone?  (I'm enjoying a large English Toffee. My "usual")  ::MonkeyTongue::



I miss my Timmy's coffee.  Also the Maple glazed.  No TH in TX


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 09:18:12 AM
Hi new monkeys!

Hi aharlock!  You wouldn't happen to be from Great Britain or therabouts, would you?  ::MonkeyWink::  (I noticed the use of the word petrol).



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 09:18:24 AM
Good Morning, morning monkeys and guests


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Colt - thank you for stepping forward and helping in the search coming up.

Questions:

I wonder if the LE can subpoena the letters the Casey wrote to Cindy, George and Lee that JB took when she was in jail??

Since she is not buying anything from the commissary, can her attorney (s) bring her things such as candy, deodorant?

I missed Dana and NG last night...I did read here that there will be FBI document released today and that JB is going to try to get all the car evidence quashed....yea right!  Anything else????



Yeah, he filed the motion right after he got the evidence, I bet.
Must be damning!

He can't bring her candy, toiletries and stuff. All that has to be bought through the jail with her money on the books.

I found this at WS and it made me go hmmmm.....
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii98/Mohabi24/Didthey.png)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: misitx5 on October 24, 2008, 09:18:36 AM
WELCOME aharlock!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 09:20:06 AM
Good Morning All!

I read last night on another site that Casey took Tony to the airport early on 6/30 for a 10:00am flight. I thought it was that evening. Has the time been confirmed yet? I believe Casey used Tony's vehicle alot while he was gone. I know in Tony's interview with LE, he was to take them to the carwash that she used before she picked him back up. i hope they were able to find evidence.

Also, KCJackie, when you get here, Bless Your Heart, I know you asked at least half a dozen times about the Lexus calls. I tried last night to find some info for you & this is the best I found so far: I found on Topix where there were regular morning calls to (winter park imports dba lexus of orlando) And that GA did work there for a security company. What I don't understand is why if Casey was calling her Dad why she didn't just call his cell? So I'm not sure.

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 09:20:15 AM
Morning all monkeys! Welcome to the new monkeys.

I am a pepsi drinking monkey. Lots and lots of ice.

 I don't care for coffee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 09:22:57 AM
Back home in California, we don't have this place..  but here in Ohio, their yummy goodness is a slice of heaven.. and located just around the corner!  (And man, their pumpkin spice donuts are SOOOOOOO good).

Tim Bits anyone?  ::MonkeyTongue:: 

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a396/datgrlstef/timbits2.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 09:23:08 AM
Good Morning All!

I read last night on another site that Casey took Tony to the airport early on 6/30 for a 10:00am flight. I thought it was that evening. Has the time been confirmed yet? I believe Casey used Tony's vehicle alot while he was gone. I know in Tony's interview with LE, he was to take them to the carwash that she used before she picked him back up. i hope they were able to find evidence.

Also, KCJackie, when you get here, Bless Your Heart, I know you asked at least half a dozen times about the Lexus calls. I tried last night to find some info for you & this is the best I found so far: I found on Topix where there were regular morning calls to (winter park imports dba lexus of orlando) And that GA did work there for a security company. What I don't understand is why if Casey was calling her Dad why she didn't just call his cell? So I'm not sure.

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::

She might have not wanted to talk to her dad by calling his cell. Perhaps she just called the main number to "check" and see if he was working or maybe he can't use his cell at work.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 09:23:30 AM
Morning all monkeys! Welcome to the new monkeys.

I am a pepsi drinking monkey. Lots and lots of ice.

 I don't care for coffee.

My husband is a huge Pepsi fan, too. It comes in handy because I collect Pepsi codes for free mp3's on Amazon.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 09:24:17 AM
Any word on when the forensic results are being released?  9 am or ... whenever news media decides to publish on their sites?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 09:26:42 AM
Morning all monkeys! Welcome to the new monkeys.

I am a pepsi drinking monkey. Lots and lots of ice.

 I don't care for coffee.


I suvive on black coffee & redbull, pepsi doesn't have enough caffeine for me!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 09:26:55 AM

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I  had never heard that either!!  Was this before or after Caylee went missing? Maybe she was trying to figure out an OTC way to cure some kind of STD.  I doubt she would have been calling about Caylee... 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 09:28:28 AM
Back home in California, we don't have this place..  but here in Ohio, their yummy goodness is a slice of heaven.. and located just around the corner!  (And man, their pumpkin spice donuts are SOOOOOOO good).

Tim Bits anyone?  ::MonkeyTongue:: 

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a396/datgrlstef/timbits2.jpg)


OMG!!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 09:29:28 AM
Good Morning All!

I read last night on another site that Casey took Tony to the airport early on 6/30 for a 10:00am flight. I thought it was that evening. Has the time been confirmed yet? I believe Casey used Tony's vehicle alot while he was gone. I know in Tony's interview with LE, he was to take them to the carwash that she used before she picked him back up. i hope they were able to find evidence.

Also, KCJackie, when you get here, Bless Your Heart, I know you asked at least half a dozen times about the Lexus calls. I tried last night to find some info for you & this is the best I found so far: I found on Topix where there were regular morning calls to (winter park imports dba lexus of orlando) And that GA did work there for a security company. What I don't understand is why if Casey was calling her Dad why she didn't just call his cell? So I'm not sure.

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::

She might have not wanted to talk to her dad by calling his cell. Perhaps she just called the main number to "check" and see if he was working or maybe he can't use his cell at work.


That's true, Pink!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 09:30:29 AM
I have never heard she called any doctors. That would have come up before now, if she did.

jmo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 09:32:59 AM
G'Morning all monkeys !!
Looking forward to some EVIDENCE today  ::MonkeyDance::
Good strong coffee does it for me, too much sugar in a Pepsi :-)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: txlisa on October 24, 2008, 09:34:02 AM
Morning all monkeys! Welcome to the new monkeys.

I am a pepsi drinking monkey. Lots and lots of ice.

 I don't care for coffee.

My husband is a huge Pepsi fan, too. It comes in handy because I collect Pepsi codes for free mp3's on Amazon.

My husband is a Moutain Dew addict.  Way too much caffeine and sugar for me!  I loved Tim Horton's when I had layover's in the Midwest or Canada.  Ahh, good times!

Lisa


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 09:34:03 AM
Good Morning All!

I read last night on another site that Casey took Tony to the airport early on 6/30 for a 10:00am flight. I thought it was that evening. Has the time been confirmed yet? I believe Casey used Tony's vehicle alot while he was gone. I know in Tony's interview with LE, he was to take them to the carwash that she used before she picked him back up. i hope they were able to find evidence.

Also, KCJackie, when you get here, Bless Your Heart, I know you asked at least half a dozen times about the Lexus calls. I tried last night to find some info for you & this is the best I found so far: I found on Topix where there were regular morning calls to (winter park imports dba lexus of orlando) And that GA did work there for a security company. What I don't understand is why if Casey was calling her Dad why she didn't just call his cell? So I'm not sure.

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::
When Casey called Lexus dealership, I think she just asked for George Anthony and then if the person who answered the phone said to wait and she/he would get him, she probably hung up.  I think these were locating calls to determine where George was.

I've never seen posted that she called a physician.  Do you have a link where you saw this.
TIA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 09:34:23 AM

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I  had never heard that either!!  Was this before or after Caylee went missing? Maybe she was trying to figure out an OTC way to cure some kind of STD.  I doubt she would have been calling about Caylee... 


 Maybe that info will be in the new docs today!  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 09:35:12 AM
Good Morning, morning monkeys and guests


Mary, Sandcranelady, Mint_Julep, PookyBear, Monken, AZLady, heathers, MisterMichaelJ, Steel Monkey, RossiRacing1, mammajo, wreck, Kimmy53, oldfart, darby, 3bsmom, goodnmad, mstam656, trimmonthelake, KiahJ and 25 Guests are viewing this topic.

Colt - thank you for stepping forward and helping in the search coming up.

Questions:

I wonder if the LE can subpoena the letters the Casey wrote to Cindy, George and Lee that JB took when she was in jail??

Since she is not buying anything from the commissary, can her attorney (s) bring her things such as candy, deodorant?

I missed Dana and NG last night...I did read here that there will be FBI document released today and that JB is going to try to get all the car evidence quashed....yea right!  Anything else????



Yeah, he filed the motion right after he got the evidence, I bet.
Must be damning!

He can't bring her candy, toiletries and stuff. All that has to be bought through the jail with her money on the books.

I found this at WS and it made me go hmmmm.....
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii98/Mohabi24/Didthey.png)



From what I remember Pink, they did!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monkey See Monkey Don't Do on October 24, 2008, 09:35:25 AM
REPOST:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17789226/detail.html

 
Nov. 8 Search Planned For Caylee, Kesse
Up To 4,000 Volunteer Searchers Expected


POSTED: 3:47 pm EDT October 23, 2008
UPDATED: 4:43 pm EDT October 23, 2008


WINTER PARK, Fla. -- The latest search effort planned for Caylee Anthony is generating a lot of interest.

An Orlando private investigator who has volunteered to head up the effort to recruit team leaders said he has received over 400 calls since just 5 p.m. Wednesday.

"We're looking for someone with law enforcement background, fire service background, department of corrections -- public service background essentially," said James Copenhaver, private investigator. "Those folks have had some training in the past that they can bring to the table to help us."

The search is being headed up by Equusearch, the same group based in Texas that searched for Caylee in September. The group's leader, Tim Miller, plans to return to Orlando on Nov. 7 to train team leaders. On Nov. 8, the group hopes to send as many as 3,000 or 4,000 volunteer searchers out to look for both Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse -- a Central Florida woman who has been missing since January 2006.

Equusearch is still looking for a search headquarters and determining the exact areas that will be searched. Both the sherriff's office and the FBI are on board with their efforts.

People who are interested in volunteering with Equusearch in the upcoming search for Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Kesse on Nov. 8 call Equusearch at 877-270-9500 or go to their website at www.texasequusearch.org. If you are retired law enforcement, military personnel, or have a background in fire or rescue and would like to serve as a team leader, please contact James Copenhaver at 407-897-1184.


FYI - on the right hand side of the link above there are alot of Document, Audio and Image files in the case.




That's sooo wonderful!! :thumright: :thumleft:  GOD BLESS YOU ALL!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 09:37:40 AM
Good Morning All!

I read last night on another site that Casey took Tony to the airport early on 6/30 for a 10:00am flight. I thought it was that evening. Has the time been confirmed yet? I believe Casey used Tony's vehicle alot while he was gone. I know in Tony's interview with LE, he was to take them to the carwash that she used before she picked him back up. i hope they were able to find evidence.

Also, KCJackie, when you get here, Bless Your Heart, I know you asked at least half a dozen times about the Lexus calls. I tried last night to find some info for you & this is the best I found so far: I found on Topix where there were regular morning calls to (winter park imports dba lexus of orlando) And that GA did work there for a security company. What I don't understand is why if Casey was calling her Dad why she didn't just call his cell? So I'm not sure.

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::
When Casey called Lexus dealership, I think she just asked for George Anthony and then if the person who answered the phone said to wait and she/he would get him, she probably hung up.  I think these were locating calls to determine where George was.

I've never seen posted that she called a physician.  Do you have a link where you saw this.
TIA


i do AZlady, i saved it to post, but now I can't get it to!  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 09:39:19 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-test-results-102408,0,3710436.story

Forensic test results in Casey Anthony case could be released this morning
Sarah Lundy

Sentinel Staff Writer

8:45 AM EDT, October 24, 2008

Some forensic test results in the Casey Anthony case could be released by the state this morning. These results could include tests that were done at the body farm in Tennessee. Sources have said air samples taken from the trunk of Anthony's car showed that the trunk once held a decomposing body.

Earlier this month, Orange Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland ordered the state to turn over reports dealing with evidence found in the trunk, including traces of chloroform, hair stands and air samples


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 09:42:03 AM
Good Morning All!

I read last night on another site that Casey took Tony to the airport early on 6/30 for a 10:00am flight. I thought it was that evening. Has the time been confirmed yet? I believe Casey used Tony's vehicle alot while he was gone. I know in Tony's interview with LE, he was to take them to the carwash that she used before she picked him back up. i hope they were able to find evidence.

Also, KCJackie, when you get here, Bless Your Heart, I know you asked at least half a dozen times about the Lexus calls. I tried last night to find some info for you & this is the best I found so far: I found on Topix where there were regular morning calls to (winter park imports dba lexus of orlando) And that GA did work there for a security company. What I don't understand is why if Casey was calling her Dad why she didn't just call his cell? So I'm not sure.

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::
When Casey called Lexus dealership, I think she just asked for George Anthony and then if the person who answered the phone said to wait and she/he would get him, she probably hung up.  I think these were locating calls to determine where George was.

I've never seen posted that she called a physician.  Do you have a link where you saw this.
TIA


i do AZlady, i saved it to post, but now I can't get it to!  ::MonkeyWaa::

I do know it was on Topix, Oct 2nd, post # 710, I'm trying to look it back up!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 09:42:06 AM
Morning all monkeys! Welcome to the new monkeys.

I am a pepsi drinking monkey. Lots and lots of ice.

 I don't care for coffee.

My husband is a huge Pepsi fan, too. It comes in handy because I collect Pepsi codes for free mp3's on Amazon.

My husband is a Moutain Dew addict.  Way too much caffeine and sugar for me!  I loved Tim Horton's when I had layover's in the Midwest or Canada.  Ahh, good times!

Lisa


OMG.... I love, love,love my strong hot Community Dark Roast or Cafe'Special...but I am truly addicted to the Dew.... I switched a year or so ago to the Diet Mt.Dew, because I can suck down too many of those things...took a while to get use to the diet, but now am just as addicted to them...if I cant fine the diet I will get the regular...either way that is my guilty pleasure....I know , pathetic, huh?
I lucked up and dont have to work today, so am waiting patiently ...with bells on for the latest evidence to be released....I do have to pay for it by working a few hours in the morning, but oh, well...
Sunny, as for the requesting of the evidence being quashed, isn't that to be expected? I know for Kaitlin's trial when they tried to get the truck evidence with her saliva/blood DNA thrown out , we were told that they always try to get it thrown out, what else can they do with it? Kinda like throwing it to the wall and seeing if it will stick...

Good Morning Monkeys! I have a homecoming date tonight LOL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharlock on October 24, 2008, 09:42:19 AM
 ::MonkeyDance:: As a proud new monkey I thought I might introduce myself by posting my possible scenario on what might have happened to Caylee. It goes like this...
Casey planned to murder her daughter to free herself from the shackles of motherhood and to relieve the tensions and problems she had caused by stealing and lying that were making her family and mum turn on her. She felt that her mum loved Caylee more and by not believing her lies anymore had betrayed her( the true trait of a narcissistic borderline personality- me~me~me~me~how dare you not trust me or love me most or deny me anything and god forbid you threaten me!) She thought that if her daughter died in an accident she would be free of responsibility and her family would have so much pity for her they would forget about her lies and stealing and she'd be the centre of attention, showered with affection and love. IMO she was daydreaming how this would make her life so much better but only if it was an accidental death; so she researched chloroform and then made some with the intention of only knocking Caylee out. She would then put her in the pool and Caylee would drown BUT Casey misjudged the amount of chloroform to use and Caylee died before she could get her in the pool meaning that she didn't breathe water into her lungs. Casey still put her in the pool and started to call her parents to come home and help her with her drowned child but then realised that no water in the lungs meant no accident and she would get caught so she panicked putting caylee in a shallow grave near her playhouse thought better of it and put her in the car, drove around in a panic even passing the hospital according to the phone pings a couple of times. Some time later she gets rid of the body but I have no ideas as to where she did this or how.
Sorry that my post was so long, I promise this is the only time I will write a novel and I want to stress this is only a possible scenario.
PS I accidentally put aharlock as my username when I meant to put sharlock; is there anyway to change this?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 09:46:05 AM
Back home in California, we don't have this place..  but here in Ohio, their yummy goodness is a slice of heaven.. and located just around the corner!  (And man, their pumpkin spice donuts are SOOOOOOO good).

Tim Bits anyone?  ::MonkeyTongue:: 

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a396/datgrlstef/timbits2.jpg)

Doesn't look familar to me.  I live around tri state area. 

For coffee, I'll have a Double Ristresso Grande Non-Fat Half-Soy Decaf Organic Chocolate Brownie Frappucino with Whipped Cream Double Blended Upside-Down

Oh, never mind, just black coffee, please.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 09:46:36 AM
Morning Monkeys!!! I just left an update in the musings thread on my baby cousin that had surgery! He is doing well...


Trying to catch up as always lately...I am 15 pages behind Today....
See you guys when I am all caught up!!

I am glad to read your baby cousin is doing well...will skip over to musings....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 09:46:44 AM
::MonkeyDance:: As a proud new monkey I thought I might introduce myself by posting my possible scenario on what might have happened to Caylee. It goes like this...
Casey planned to murder her daughter to free herself from the shackles of motherhood and to relieve the tensions and problems she had caused by stealing and lying that were making her family and mum turn on her. She felt that her mum loved Caylee more and by not believing her lies anymore had betrayed her( the true trait of a narcissistic borderline personality- me~me~me~me~how dare you not trust me or love me most or deny me anything and god forbid you threaten me!) She thought that if her daughter died in an accident she would be free of responsibility and her family would have so much pity for her they would forget about her lies and stealing and she'd be the centre of attention, showered with affection and love. IMO she was daydreaming how this would make her life so much better but only if it was an accidental death; so she researched chloroform and then made some with the intention of only knocking Caylee out. She would then put her in the pool and Caylee would drown BUT Casey misjudged the amount of chloroform to use and Caylee died before she could get her in the pool meaning that she didn't breathe water into her lungs. Casey still put her in the pool and started to call her parents to come home and help her with her drowned child but then realised that no water in the lungs meant no accident and she would get caught so she panicked putting caylee in a shallow grave near her playhouse thought better of it and put her in the car, drove around in a panic even passing the hospital according to the phone pings a couple of times. Some time later she gets rid of the body but I have no ideas as to where she did this or how.
Sorry that my post was so long, I promise this is the only time I will write a novel and I want to stress this is only a possible scenario.
PS I accidentally put aharlock as my username when I meant to put sharlock; is there anyway to change this?


Good morning and welcome to the cage! Don't apologize, it was a good post...
I did the same thing when I registered and misspelled my name,I think klaas can help you with that...I never knew you could fix that and just left mine lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 09:51:16 AM
http://www.topix.com/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/T1D5DPE50HLPQBKA1/p53

This is the discussion about the Doctor calls. Hope i did it right  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 09:51:40 AM


Pooky...I was joking....sad attempt at a joke this morning (I am not a morning person even though I get up at 5:30am)....I never know who is on line unless I look at the top!!  I am also looking forward to todays release. So many mysteries in this...except for one of course...Caylee is missing, presumed dead at the hands of her mother.

I know, it is so sad and why we are here -- we are truly amazed that someone could harm this beautiful child.  I would think that, as they have done in the past, the defense would have gotten the documents days before their release top the public (I think Monday was the 10th day).  At some point, it would seem that the continued evidence would bring home to the family that Caylee is gone and the media talks will stop (IMO). 

I think they KNOW...but right now the focus is keeping Casey alive...and I am sure JB et al have told them to keep on keeping on with their nonsense about Caylee being alive....and to continue getting those donations.

I wasn't able to watch NG last night,,,but had it on in the background and heard someone say JB says he is being paid....he is not pro bono...but the person had no idea who was paying his fees.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 09:52:45 AM
::MonkeyDance:: As a proud new monkey I thought I might introduce myself by posting my possible scenario on what might have happened to Caylee. It goes like this...
Casey planned to murder her daughter to free herself from the shackles of motherhood and to relieve the tensions and problems she had caused by stealing and lying that were making her family and mum turn on her. She felt that her mum loved Caylee more and by not believing her lies anymore had betrayed her( the true trait of a narcissistic borderline personality- me~me~me~me~how dare you not trust me or love me most or deny me anything and god forbid you threaten me!) She thought that if her daughter died in an accident she would be free of responsibility and her family would have so much pity for her they would forget about her lies and stealing and she'd be the centre of attention, showered with affection and love. IMO she was daydreaming how this would make her life so much better but only if it was an accidental death; so she researched chloroform and then made some with the intention of only knocking Caylee out. She would then put her in the pool and Caylee would drown BUT Casey misjudged the amount of chloroform to use and Caylee died before she could get her in the pool meaning that she didn't breathe water into her lungs. Casey still put her in the pool and started to call her parents to come home and help her with her drowned child but then realised that no water in the lungs meant no accident and she would get caught so she panicked putting caylee in a shallow grave near her playhouse thought better of it and put her in the car, drove around in a panic even passing the hospital according to the phone pings a couple of times. Some time later she gets rid of the body but I have no ideas as to where she did this or how.
Sorry that my post was so long, I promise this is the only time I will write a novel and I want to stress this is only a possible scenario.
PS I accidentally put aharlock as my username when I meant to put sharlock; is there anyway to change this?

Yes, there is an option in your profile..I fixed it for you  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 09:52:54 AM

Hi Monkeys! I'm new here but have enjoyed lurking around since I found your site a little over a week ago. You guys have really great discussions and info on this site.
I re; to your post, Caseys boyfriend said that he drove her to her house a few times including the time she stole the petrol cans (though he said he didn't get out of the car and didn't know she stole them) so I thought it was probably him.

Hi and Welcome!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 09:53:07 AM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/24/body_found_in_east_orange_county.html

Body Found In East Orange County
Friday, October 24, 2008 9:19:07 AM
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ORLANDO -- Orange County Sheriff's deputies are on the scene of where a body was found in East Orange County.

The scene is near North Star High Charter School located off Curry Ford, just west of Chickasaw Trail.

We will have more on this developing story as it becomes available.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 09:54:30 AM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/24/body_found_in_east_orange_county.html

Body Found In East Orange County
Friday, October 24, 2008 9:19:07 AM
Tools: E-mail | Print | Feedback | 
ORLANDO -- Orange County Sheriff's deputies are on the scene of where a body was found in East Orange County.

The scene is near North Star High Charter School located off Curry Ford, just west of Chickasaw Trail.

We will have more on this developing story as it becomes available.



I read on another site it's a man.  I'll go find that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 09:55:52 AM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/24/body_found_in_east_orange_county.html

Body Found In East Orange County
Friday, October 24, 2008 9:19:07 AM
Tools: E-mail | Print | Feedback | 
ORLANDO -- Orange County Sheriff's deputies are on the scene of where a body was found in East Orange County.

The scene is near North Star High Charter School located off Curry Ford, just west of Chickasaw Trail.

We will have more on this developing story as it becomes available.



I read on another site it's a man.  I'll go find that.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-northstar-high-school-102308,0,461278.story

Body found near NorthStar High School
Bianca Prieto and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
9:22 AM EDT, October 24, 2008
Orange County deputies are responding to a body found near NorthStar High School this morning after getting a report of "a man down."  ?

The high school, which is a charter school and not a part of Orange County Public Schools, did not immediately return calls for information. Investigators are trying to determine how the person died. The person is not a student, according to investigators.

NorthStar High School is located at 8291 Curry Ford Road in Orlando.

Check back for updates.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 09:55:59 AM

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I  had never heard that either!!  Was this before or after Caylee went missing? Maybe she was trying to figure out an OTC way to cure some kind of STD.  I doubt she would have been calling about Caylee... 


 Maybe that info will be in the new docs today!  ::MonkeyRoll::

We can only hope.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Casey: Hi, um, uh..  I have crickets coming out of my crotch.
Doctor: Oh my. That sounds serious.
Casey: Absolutely. Um, how do I get rid of them?
Doctor: I'm completely booked for today, but I do have the number for Terminix. They may be able to help you.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 09:57:09 AM
Good Morning, morning monkeys and guests


Mary, Sandcranelady, Mint_Julep, PookyBear, Monken, AZLady, heathers, MisterMichaelJ, Steel Monkey, RossiRacing1, mammajo, wreck, Kimmy53, oldfart, darby, 3bsmom, goodnmad, mstam656, trimmonthelake, KiahJ and 25 Guests are viewing this topic.

Colt - thank you for stepping forward and helping in the search coming up.

Questions:

I wonder if the LE can subpoena the letters the Casey wrote to Cindy, George and Lee that JB took when she was in jail??

Since she is not buying anything from the commissary, can her attorney (s) bring her things such as candy, deodorant?

I missed Dana and NG last night...I did read here that there will be FBI document released today and that JB is going to try to get all the car evidence quashed....yea right!  Anything else????



Yeah, he filed the motion right after he got the evidence, I bet.
Must be damning!

He can't bring her candy, toiletries and stuff. All that has to be bought through the jail with her money on the books.

I found this at WS and it made me go hmmmm.....
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii98/Mohabi24/Didthey.png)


Hi pink...thanks ...I kinda thought that was the case but wanted comfirmation. So does anyone know what, if any, hygiene products are supplied by the jail for inmates? Sure soap, shampoo...?? deodorant, feminine products


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: can on October 24, 2008, 09:57:22 AM
Good morning Monkeys - Happy Friday!
Welcome all new monkeys!

Cubbeegirl - a homecoming date...do tell!  ::MonkeyDance::

LP seems so convinced (NG last night) that they have the area where Caylee
was deposited pegged.  Can't wait for Tim and TES volunteers to find her!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 09:58:07 AM

Here it is.  Chickasaw Trial is close to the A's IIRC.  To bad sounded promising.

Teacher Finds Man Dead In Parking Lot Outside School

POSTED: 9:01 am EDT October 24, 2008



http://www.wftv.com/news/17793927/detail.html
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- An Orange County teacher found a man dead in the parking lot outside North Star High School early Friday morning.

The Orange County Sheriff's Office responded to the scene near Los Amigos and South Chickasaw Trail (see map) after a teacher reported finding a man on the ground in the dirt parking lot just before 8:00am.

North Star is an Orange County charter school and students were arriving on campus shortly after the discovery.

Investigators have not released any additional details about how the man died.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 09:59:42 AM
G'Morning all monkeys !!
Looking forward to some EVIDENCE today  ::MonkeyDance::
Good strong coffee does it for me, too much sugar in a Pepsi :-)

'Morning TBM....coffee is my lifesaver!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mint_Julep on October 24, 2008, 10:00:24 AM
Good Morning, morning monkeys and guests


Mary, Sandcranelady, Mint_Julep, PookyBear, Monken, AZLady, heathers, MisterMichaelJ, Steel Monkey, RossiRacing1, mammajo, wreck, Kimmy53, oldfart, darby, 3bsmom, goodnmad, mstam656, trimmonthelake, KiahJ and 25 Guests are viewing this topic.

Colt - thank you for stepping forward and helping in the search coming up.

Questions:

I wonder if the LE can subpoena the letters the Casey wrote to Cindy, George and Lee that JB took when she was in jail??

Since she is not buying anything from the commissary, can her attorney (s) bring her things such as candy, deodorant?

I missed Dana and NG last night...I did read here that there will be FBI document released today and that JB is going to try to get all the car evidence quashed....yea right!  Anything else????



Hmm, those must be the letters JB denied knowing about. I wonder why he felt it was necessary to lie about Casey writing letters to her family? I would like to read them too!

BTW, good  morning to everyone.   :2waver:



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 10:00:49 AM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/24/body_found_in_east_orange_county.html

Body Found In East Orange County
Friday, October 24, 2008 9:19:07 AM
Tools: E-mail | Print | Feedback | 
ORLANDO -- Orange County Sheriff's deputies are on the scene of where a body was found in East Orange County.

The scene is near North Star High Charter School located off Curry Ford, just west of Chickasaw Trail.

We will have more on this developing story as it becomes available.




  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 10:01:15 AM


Pooky...I was joking....sad attempt at a joke this morning (I am not a morning person even though I get up at 5:30am)....I never know who is on line unless I look at the top!!  I am also looking forward to todays release. So many mysteries in this...except for one of course...Caylee is missing, presumed dead at the hands of her mother.

I know, it is so sad and why we are here -- we are truly amazed that someone could harm this beautiful child.  I would think that, as they have done in the past, the defense would have gotten the documents days before their release top the public (I think Monday was the 10th day).  At some point, it would seem that the continued evidence would bring home to the family that Caylee is gone and the media talks will stop (IMO). 

I think they KNOW...but right now the focus is keeping Casey alive...and I am sure JB et al have told them to keep on keeping on with their nonsense about Caylee being alive....and to continue getting those donations.

I wasn't able to watch NG last night,,,but had it on in the background and heard someone say JB says he is being paid....he is not pro bono...but the person had no idea who was paying his fees.

Morning Sunny! I agree... they know she is gone, but they are focusing on keeping Casey from getting the needle...as far as the donations, whenever I have given to a family in a family crisis, I have never had a problem with that family using my donation for whatever they need at that time...heck, when Kaitlin was missing, Danette had so many people at her house for 3 days and nights I went to the store and purchased a bunch of paper towels,paper plates, toilet paper and other such items and the $$$$ I gave to her I told her to use it for WHATEVER she needed as I knew she was not working at the time, and had alot of extra expenses, I do so also in the event of a death, but this family.....GRRRRRRRR... I do have a problem with them using donations for their own personal expenses, if they would just take their daughter by the scruff of her neck and say, "look....B---H....if you dont tell us where Caylee is I am gonna beat the living crap out of you, and I will do nothing to help you anymore and you are no longer welcome here" this whole ordeal would not have to be dragged out so long...They are missing the freaking boat...it is all about Casey and I feel they have sailed her up the river to protect the stinking, low-life,skanky ho momma....Dang, I need to chill, huh?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 24, 2008, 10:02:40 AM
Body found near NorthStar High School
Bianca Prieto and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
9:22 AM EDT, October 24, 2008

Orange County deputies are responding to a body found near NorthStar High School this morning after getting a report of "a man down."

The high school, which is a charter school and not a part of Orange County Public Schools, did not immediately return calls for information. Investigators are trying to determine how the person died. The person is not a student, according to investigators.

NorthStar High School is located at 8291 Curry Ford Road in Orlando.

Check back for updates.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-northstar-high-school-102308,0,461278.story


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 10:02:59 AM

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I  had never heard that either!!  Was this before or after Caylee went missing? Maybe she was trying to figure out an OTC way to cure some kind of STD.  I doubt she would have been calling about Caylee... 


 Maybe that info will be in the new docs today!  ::MonkeyRoll::

We can only hope.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Casey: Hi, um, uh..  I have crickets coming out of my crotch.
Doctor: Oh my. That sounds serious.
Casey: Absolutely. Um, how do I get rid of them?
Doctor: I'm completely booked for today, but I do have the number for Terminix. They may be able to help you.




You're so funny, Another  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 10:03:20 AM

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I  had never heard that either!!  Was this before or after Caylee went missing? Maybe she was trying to figure out an OTC way to cure some kind of STD.  I doubt she would have been calling about Caylee... 


 Maybe that info will be in the new docs today!  ::MonkeyRoll::

We can only hope.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Casey: Hi, um, uh..  I have crickets coming out of my crotch.
Doctor: Oh my. That sounds serious.
Casey: Absolutely. Um, how do I get rid of them?
Doctor: I'm completely booked for today, but I do have the number for Terminix. They may be able to help you.




Too funny!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 10:05:05 AM
Good morning Monkeys - Happy Friday!
Welcome all new monkeys!

Cubbeegirl - a homecoming date...do tell!  ::MonkeyDance::

LP seems so convinced (NG last night) that they have the area where Caylee
was deposited pegged.  Can't wait for Tim and TES volunteers to find her!


I know & me too!!  ::MonkeyDance::

WELCOME NEW MONKEYS!!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 10:06:24 AM

OMG.... I love, love,love my strong hot Community Dark Roast or Cafe'Special...but I am truly addicted to the Dew.... I switched a year or so ago to the Diet Mt.Dew, because I can suck down too many of those things...took a while to get use to the diet, but now am just as addicted to them...if I cant fine the diet I will get the regular...either way that is my guilty pleasure....I know , pathetic, huh?
I lucked up and dont have to work today, so am waiting patiently ...with bells on for the latest evidence to be released....I do have to pay for it by working a few hours in the morning, but oh, well...
Sunny, as for the requesting of the evidence being quashed, isn't that to be expected? I know for Kaitlin's trial when they tried to get the truck evidence with her saliva/blood DNA thrown out , we were told that they always try to get it thrown out, what else can they do with it? Kinda like throwing it to the wall and seeing if it will stick...

Good Morning Monkeys! I have a homecoming date tonight LOL

Morning Cubbee.....I think we are all anxiously awaiting the release of those docs!  WOOHOO...Yes, I am sure it is SOP  to motion for evidence to be thrown out.....especially in a case like this where the car was in the tow yard.....LOL...like Nutzo said perhaps someone put a dead body in the trunk of Casey's car at the tow yard and then using clairvoyance knew when GA was coming to get it and removed the body before George got there...OHMYGAWD!!! There must be koolaid in my coffee!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 10:06:27 AM
Good morning Monkeys - Happy Friday!
Welcome all new monkeys!

Cubbeegirl - a homecoming date...do tell!  ::MonkeyDance::

LP seems so convinced (NG last night) that they have the area where Caylee
was deposited pegged.  Can't wait for Tim and TES volunteers to find her!

Good morning Can.... I pray LP is right... that baby deserves to be found....
Re/ homecoming date...Mrs. Aydell's little newphew ( who Kaitlin adored) was picked as a junior attendant for a local HS homecoming and she wants me to go with her to take pics.... I asked her if she was buying me a corsage and where we were going to eat.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 10:08:03 AM


Pooky...I was joking....sad attempt at a joke this morning (I am not a morning person even though I get up at 5:30am)....I never know who is on line unless I look at the top!!  I am also looking forward to todays release. So many mysteries in this...except for one of course...Caylee is missing, presumed dead at the hands of her mother.

I know, it is so sad and why we are here -- we are truly amazed that someone could harm this beautiful child.  I would think that, as they have done in the past, the defense would have gotten the documents days before their release top the public (I think Monday was the 10th day).  At some point, it would seem that the continued evidence would bring home to the family that Caylee is gone and the media talks will stop (IMO). 

I think they KNOW...but right now the focus is keeping Casey alive...and I am sure JB et al have told them to keep on keeping on with their nonsense about Caylee being alive....and to continue getting those donations.

I wasn't able to watch NG last night,,,but had it on in the background and heard someone say JB says he is being paid....he is not pro bono...but the person had no idea who was paying his fees.

Morning Sunny! I agree... they know she is gone, but they are focusing on keeping Casey from getting the needle...as far as the donations, whenever I have given to a family in a family crisis, I have never had a problem with that family using my donation for whatever they need at that time...heck, when Kaitlin was missing, Danette had so many people at her house for 3 days and nights I went to the store and purchased a bunch of paper towels,paper plates, toilet paper and other such items and the $$$$ I gave to her I told her to use it for WHATEVER she needed as I knew she was not working at the time, and had alot of extra expenses, I do so also in the event of a death, but this family.....GRRRRRRRR... I do have a problem with them using donations for their own personal expenses, if they would just take their daughter by the scruff of her neck and say, "look....B---H....if you dont tell us where Caylee is I am gonna beat the living crap out of you, and I will do nothing to help you anymore and you are no longer welcome here" this whole ordeal would not have to be dragged out so long...They are missing the freaking boat...it is all about Casey and I feel they have sailed her up the river to protect the stinking, low-life,skanky ho momma....Dang, I need to chill, huh?


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I feel the same Cubbee, but i don't think i can chill until the bitch is found guilty of murder! And have fun on your date!!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 10:09:47 AM


Pooky...I was joking....sad attempt at a joke this morning (I am not a morning person even though I get up at 5:30am)....I never know who is on line unless I look at the top!!  I am also looking forward to todays release. So many mysteries in this...except for one of course...Caylee is missing, presumed dead at the hands of her mother.

I know, it is so sad and why we are here -- we are truly amazed that someone could harm this beautiful child.  I would think that, as they have done in the past, the defense would have gotten the documents days before their release top the public (I think Monday was the 10th day).  At some point, it would seem that the continued evidence would bring home to the family that Caylee is gone and the media talks will stop (IMO). 

I think they KNOW...but right now the focus is keeping Casey alive...and I am sure JB et al have told them to keep on keeping on with their nonsense about Caylee being alive....and to continue getting those donations.

I wasn't able to watch NG last night,,,but had it on in the background and heard someone say JB says he is being paid....he is not pro bono...but the person had no idea who was paying his fees.

Morning Sunny! I agree... they know she is gone, but they are focusing on keeping Casey from getting the needle...as far as the donations, whenever I have given to a family in a family crisis, I have never had a problem with that family using my donation for whatever they need at that time...heck, when Kaitlin was missing, Danette had so many people at her house for 3 days and nights I went to the store and purchased a bunch of paper towels,paper plates, toilet paper and other such items and the $$$$ I gave to her I told her to use it for WHATEVER she needed as I knew she was not working at the time, and had alot of extra expenses, I do so also in the event of a death, but this family.....GRRRRRRRR... I do have a problem with them using donations for their own personal expenses, if they would just take their daughter by the scruff of her neck and say, "look....B---H....if you dont tell us where Caylee is I am gonna beat the living crap out of you, and I will do nothing to help you anymore and you are no longer welcome here" this whole ordeal would not have to be dragged out so long...They are missing the freaking boat...it is all about Casey and I feel they have sailed her up the river to protect the stinking, low-life,skanky ho momma....Dang, I need to chill, huh?


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I feel the same Cubbee, but i don't think i can chill until the bitch is found guilty of murder! And have fun on your date!!  ::MonkeyTongue::



I know, it is pathetic... they have forsaken Caylee for her rotten mother...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 10:14:53 AM
Good Morning, morning monkeys and guests


Mary, Sandcranelady, Mint_Julep, PookyBear, Monken, AZLady, heathers, MisterMichaelJ, Steel Monkey, RossiRacing1, mammajo, wreck, Kimmy53, oldfart, darby, 3bsmom, goodnmad, mstam656, trimmonthelake, KiahJ and 25 Guests are viewing this topic.

Colt - thank you for stepping forward and helping in the search coming up.

Questions:

I wonder if the LE can subpoena the letters the Casey wrote to Cindy, George and Lee that JB took when she was in jail??

Since she is not buying anything from the commissary, can her attorney (s) bring her things such as candy, deodorant?

I missed Dana and NG last night...I did read here that there will be FBI document released today and that JB is going to try to get all the car evidence quashed....yea right!  Anything else????



Hmm, those must be the letters JB denied knowing about. I wonder why he felt it was necessary to lie about Casey writing letters to her family? I would like to read them too!

BTW, good  morning to everyone.   :2waver:



Good Morning Mint Julep! I hope those letters can be subpoenaed....JB lies...we know that for sure!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KnayKnay on October 24, 2008, 10:19:27 AM
Good morning!

I literally got sick to my stomach last night when they presented the state's theory. Casey has to be a very sick person to commit such a PREMEDITATED, heinous, self-serving, cruel, thought out, sickening crime.

Just the THOUGH of putting someone in a trunk should be punishable by at least prison.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Steel Monkey on October 24, 2008, 10:22:33 AM
Good Morning, morning monkeys and guests


Mary, Sandcranelady, Mint_Julep, PookyBear, Monken, AZLady, heathers, MisterMichaelJ, Steel Monkey, RossiRacing1, mammajo, wreck, Kimmy53, oldfart, darby, 3bsmom, goodnmad, mstam656, trimmonthelake, KiahJ and 25 Guests are viewing this topic.

Colt - thank you for stepping forward and helping in the search coming up.

Questions:

I wonder if the LE can subpoena the letters the Casey wrote to Cindy, George and Lee that JB took when she was in jail??

Since she is not buying anything from the commissary, can her attorney (s) bring her things such as candy, deodorant?

I missed Dana and NG last night...I did read here that there will be FBI document released today and that JB is going to try to get all the car evidence quashed....yea right!  Anything else????



Hmm, those must be the letters JB denied knowing about. I wonder why he felt it was necessary to lie about Casey writing letters to her family? I would like to read them too!

BTW, good  morning to everyone.   :2waver:



Good Morning Mint Julep! I hope those letters can be subpoenaed....JB lies...we know that for sure!!

Since KC handed them to JB, they would be considered attorney/client privledge, and are not subpoena-able (is that a word?) as such.  That is...if they exist...as they do not according to JB.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 10:22:55 AM
Good Morning everyone!  Im drinking Blue Mountain coffee we got in Jamaica...yum!  Do you think Tru TV will do something on the evidence today?  Theres some trial on now.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 10:23:25 AM


I think they KNOW...but right now the focus is keeping Casey alive...and I am sure JB et al have told them to keep on keeping on with their nonsense about Caylee being alive....and to continue getting those donations.

I wasn't able to watch NG last night,,,but had it on in the background and heard someone say JB says he is being paid....he is not pro bono...but the person had no idea who was paying his fees.

Morning Sunny! I agree... they know she is gone, but they are focusing on keeping Casey from getting the needle...as far as the donations, whenever I have given to a family in a family crisis, I have never had a problem with that family using my donation for whatever they need at that time...heck, when Kaitlin was missing, Danette had so many people at her house for 3 days and nights I went to the store and purchased a bunch of paper towels,paper plates, toilet paper and other such items and the $$$$ I gave to her I told her to use it for WHATEVER she needed as I knew she was not working at the time, and had alot of extra expenses, I do so also in the event of a death, but this family.....GRRRRRRRR... I do have a problem with them using donations for their own personal expenses,  I am in total agreement and using any of those donations for Casey's DEFENSE fund!  OHMYGAWD!!!   if they would just take their daughter by the scruff of her neck and say, "look....B---H....if you dont tell us where Caylee is I am gonna beat the living crap out of you, and I will do nothing to help you anymore and you are no longer welcome here" this whole ordeal would not have to be dragged out so long...They are missing the freaking boat...it is all about Casey and I feel they have sailed her up the river to protect the stinking, low-life,skanky ho momma....Dang, I need to chill, huh?

Don't chill....I agree with ya....but ya know if they had used some tough love a long time ago...Caylee would probably still be alive..one time my son (under his breath called me a bitch) he was 13....I heard him and to this day when he tells the story he says,  'I really did think my Mom was gonna kill me that day.' That is the only real licking he ever got......he made the mistake of running into his closet ....LOL....not such a smart mouth then ::MonkeyWink:: and never called me a bitch again...at least not in range where I might hear him.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 10:24:07 AM
  I'M SORRY AZLADY, WRONG SITE!!


  Here's the link:  http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70666&page=29


  Topix was the doctor calls info!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 10:25:03 AM
Good morning Monkeys - Happy Friday!
Welcome all new monkeys!

Cubbeegirl - a homecoming date...do tell!  ::MonkeyDance::

LP seems so convinced (NG last night) that they have the area where Caylee
was deposited pegged.  Can't wait for Tim and TES volunteers to find her!

Good morning Can.... I pray LP is right... that baby deserves to be found....
Re/ homecoming date...Mrs. Aydell's little newphew ( who Kaitlin adored) was picked as a junior attendant for a local HS homecoming and she wants me to go with her to take pics.... I asked her if she was buying me a corsage and where we were going to eat.... ::MonkeyWink::

hahahaha....that is going to be fun!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 10:25:06 AM
Good Morning everyone!  Im drinking Blue Mountain coffee we got in Jamaica...yum!  Do you think Tru TV will do something on the evidence today?  Theres some trial on now.


Good morning katntx... don't know who will cover it.... I need to go out for a bit and am scared i will miss something...pathetic, huh?

We use to have a poster who lived in Colombia and sent us some great Colombian coffee for Christmas....Oh, I miss my buddy Widget!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mint_Julep on October 24, 2008, 10:25:16 AM
Good Morning, morning monkeys and guests


Mary, Sandcranelady, Mint_Julep, PookyBear, Monken, AZLady, heathers, MisterMichaelJ, Steel Monkey, RossiRacing1, mammajo, wreck, Kimmy53, oldfart, darby, 3bsmom, goodnmad, mstam656, trimmonthelake, KiahJ and 25 Guests are viewing this topic.

Colt - thank you for stepping forward and helping in the search coming up.

Questions:

I wonder if the LE can subpoena the letters the Casey wrote to Cindy, George and Lee that JB took when she was in jail??

Since she is not buying anything from the commissary, can her attorney (s) bring her things such as candy, deodorant?

I missed Dana and NG last night...I did read here that there will be FBI document released today and that JB is going to try to get all the car evidence quashed....yea right!  Anything else????



Hmm, those must be the letters JB denied knowing about. I wonder why he felt it was necessary to lie about Casey writing letters to her family? I would like to read them too!

BTW, good  morning to everyone.   :2waver:



Good Morning Mint Julep! I hope those letters can be subpoenaed....JB lies...we know that for sure!!

I guess if you don't lie you can't be part of "team casey". Remember from the jail phone calls between LA and KC there was mention of KC writing letters? JB denied knowing anything about them but HERE THEY ARE! I wonder what could be so secret that KC had to write it down rather than talk about it to her family on tape? For some reason I think LA is in this up to his eyeballs.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 24, 2008, 10:26:38 AM
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharlock on October 24, 2008, 10:26:46 AM
Hi new monkeys!

Hi aharlock!  You wouldn't happen to be from Great Britain or therabouts, would you?  ::MonkeyWink::  (I noticed the use of the word petrol).



Hi! I am from the land downunder lol! Think vegemite.... ::MonkeyCool::Yep, I am an Australian.
We don't get any news of Casey here so I have found myself glued to the internet lately; this whole case just stuns me. How can a mum be so cruel?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 10:28:08 AM
Good Morning everyone!  Im drinking Blue Mountain coffee we got in Jamaica...yum!  Do you think Tru TV will do something on the evidence today?  Theres some trial on now.


Good morning katntx... don't know who will cover it.... I need to go out for a bit and am scared i will miss something...pathetic, huh?

We use to have a poster who lived in Colombia and sent us some great Colombian coffee for Christmas....Oh, I miss my buddy Widget!!!

Oh the columbian coffee would be good too.  Im a coffee freak!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2008, 10:28:44 AM
Hey, JCP purchase... replacement clothes and shoes.
Remains in one place, clothes in another.
Park near Amscott : Airport.
Hey, those aren't Caylee's clothes, here are her clothes and shoes.
TTL  ps I have lost my mind with this stuff...   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 10:29:10 AM


I think they KNOW...but right now the focus is keeping Casey alive...and I am sure JB et al have told them to keep on keeping on with their nonsense about Caylee being alive....and to continue getting those donations.

I wasn't able to watch NG last night,,,but had it on in the background and heard someone say JB says he is being paid....he is not pro bono...but the person had no idea who was paying his fees.

Morning Sunny! I agree... they know she is gone, but they are focusing on keeping Casey from getting the needle...as far as the donations, whenever I have given to a family in a family crisis, I have never had a problem with that family using my donation for whatever they need at that time...heck, when Kaitlin was missing, Danette had so many people at her house for 3 days and nights I went to the store and purchased a bunch of paper towels,paper plates, toilet paper and other such items and the $$$$ I gave to her I told her to use it for WHATEVER she needed as I knew she was not working at the time, and had alot of extra expenses, I do so also in the event of a death, but this family.....GRRRRRRRR... I do have a problem with them using donations for their own personal expenses,  I am in total agreement and using any of those donations for Casey's DEFENSE fund!  OHMYGAWD!!!   if they would just take their daughter by the scruff of her neck and say, "look....B---H....if you dont tell us where Caylee is I am gonna beat the living crap out of you, and I will do nothing to help you anymore and you are no longer welcome here" this whole ordeal would not have to be dragged out so long...They are missing the freaking boat...it is all about Casey and I feel they have sailed her up the river to protect the stinking, low-life,skanky ho momma....Dang, I need to chill, huh?

Don't chill....I agree with ya....but ya know if they had used some tough love a long time ago...Caylee would probably still be alive..one time my son (under his breath called me a bitch) he was 13....I heard him and to this day when he tells the story he says,  'I really did think my Mom was gonna kill me that day.' That is the only real licking he ever got......he made the mistake of running into his closet ....LOL....not such a smart mouth then ::MonkeyWink:: and never called me a bitch again...at least not in range where I might hear him.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


LOL.... Oh, I know, my son is having a problem with a kid who's parents have turned a blind eye for years and it is escalating...problem is the kid is so jealous of my son getting playing time and  him not he has made my kid his target.... alot has happened and it has gotten physical... I had to take a couple of days off to be able to handle it witha clear head, but next week I am having a meeting with the principal and telling him that he needs to do his job and explain to him that when you hit someone it is considered battery and I can and will press charges.....u know that no tolerance thing only causes more problems sometimes...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: guideposts on October 24, 2008, 10:30:00 AM
I have never heard she called any doctors. That would have come up before now, if she did.

jmo

5/21/08 Incoming calls for Amy Huzeinga
(8:11AM) from Casey Anthony: Im definitely sick :-(
(10:30AM) from Casey Anthony: Im going to call the lady in a few minutes. Im headed to the doctors now. I hate this!
(10:33AM) from Casey Anthony: Nope. Twice since i was sick last month. But i have been working a lot. I put in almost 60 hours last week. I think its the flu. Ill know soon.
(10:35AM) from Casey Anthony: Haha ill remember that! What a great house
(10:44AM) from Casey Anthony: Sounds good. Did you stay at the boys?
(10:46AM) from Casey Anthony: Nice.
(10:47AM) from Casey Anthony: Mr. I have no money. What an idiot i swear
(10:53AM) from Casey Anthony: He just complains about stuff to me all the time but changes his mind in an instant. Whatever. At least the last couple times we have hung out not a thing has happened.
(10:57AM) from Casey Anthony: Done and done
(1:16PM) from Casey Anthony: Can i raincheck seeing the house? I just got back from the drs and dont feel too hot at all. Stupid flu
(1:21PM) from Casey Anthony: Well i would love for you to be there. We will figure it out. Im taking the day to rest as much as possible.
(1:23PM) from Casey Anthony: Thanks love! Cant wait to hear about the interview
(5:53PM) from Casey Anthony: Works for me! Im not feeling worse. Found out I have a bruised rib. At least i have nice pills for my flu and ill be popping antiinflamatories like theres no tomorrow
(6:03PM) from Casey Anthony: Haha my mom just told me the same thing on the phone
(8:45PM) from Casey Anthony: Im down!


7/16/08 Statement to Police at Universal Studios with Sergeant Allen, Detective Appie Wells & Casey Anthony page 54
Q  No.  Ah, your baby take any medicines?

A  No.

Q  She needed any medicine?

A  Not at all.

Q  She’s good health?

A  She’s had one cold and it lasted two days her entire life.

Q  Yeah.  Wow.

A  She’s been extremely healthy.

Q  Hmm.  Pediatrician?  Who’s your baby’s pediatrician?

A  Dr. Silva.

Q: Did ah, these chairs aren’t very comfortable?

CASEY ANTHONY: No.

Q: You lay way back.

CASEY ANTHONY: Exactly. I’m not comfortable.

Q: I feel like I’m going to...

CASEY ANTHONY: (LAUGHTER)

Q: Did the nanny ever take...

CASEY ANTHONY: No.

Q: ... the baby to the doctor?

CASEY ANTHONY: The only people that were on the list was myself and both of my parents.  And my dad he come with me to couple visits.  My mom I think came to one.  It was usually just Caylee and I.




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 10:30:30 AM
Good Morning everyone!  Im drinking Blue Mountain coffee we got in Jamaica...yum!  Do you think Tru TV will do something on the evidence today?  Theres some trial on now.


Good morning katntx... don't know who will cover it.... I need to go out for a bit and am scared i will miss something...pathetic, huh?

We use to have a poster who lived in Colombia and sent us some great Colombian coffee for Christmas....Oh, I miss my buddy Widget!!!

Oh the columbian coffee would be good too.  Im a coffee freak!


Me too and I treated that coffee like gold.... even hid it from my husband lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 10:30:31 AM
Hi new monkeys!

Hi aharlock!  You wouldn't happen to be from Great Britain or therabouts, would you?  ::MonkeyWink::  (I noticed the use of the word petrol).



Hi! I am from the land downunder lol! Think vegemite.... ::MonkeyCool::Yep, I am an Australian.
We don't get any news of Casey here so I have found myself glued to the internet lately; this whole case just stuns me. How can a mum be so cruel?

Welcome Sharlock....I hope to visit Australia in a few years when my hubby retires.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 10:32:14 AM
Hi new monkeys!

Hi aharlock!  You wouldn't happen to be from Great Britain or therabouts, would you?  ::MonkeyWink::  (I noticed the use of the word petrol).



Hi! I am from the land downunder lol! Think vegemite.... ::MonkeyCool::Yep, I am an Australian.
We don't get any news of Casey here so I have found myself glued to the internet lately; this whole case just stuns me. How can a mum be so cruel?

Oooo you're from Australia!! Very cool! :P 

Yes, it's just a horrible situation. It's so hard to watch it all unfold like this.. Casey still acting like she could care less what happened to her own child.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 10:33:55 AM
Guideposts.. thank you for posting that. I wonder why she had bruised ribs?  ::MonkeyEek::
I wonder if it's all a bunch of BS like ZG's car accident, the mini stroke, etc.. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: OurAngelCaylee on October 24, 2008, 10:34:31 AM
A body was found at NorthStar High School in Orange County Friday morning.

Orange County deputies are investigating.

The body was found in a dirt area that is used as a parking lot at the school on Curry Ford Road

No other information is available at this time, but check back for details.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17794413/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharlock on October 24, 2008, 10:35:08 AM
Good Morning All!

I read last night on another site that Casey took Tony to the airport early on 6/30 for a 10:00am flight. I thought it was that evening. Has the time been confirmed yet? I believe Casey used Tony's vehicle alot while he was gone. I know in Tony's interview with LE, he was to take them to the carwash that she used before she picked him back up. i hope they were able to find evidence.

Also, KCJackie, when you get here, Bless Your Heart, I know you asked at least half a dozen times about the Lexus calls. I tried last night to find some info for you & this is the best I found so far: I found on Topix where there were regular morning calls to (winter park imports dba lexus of orlando) And that GA did work there for a security company. What I don't understand is why if Casey was calling her Dad why she didn't just call his cell? So I'm not sure.

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::
God I hope she isn't pregnant, that would be to obscene! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: OurAngelCaylee on October 24, 2008, 10:36:25 AM
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News has learned that DNA results in the case against Casey could be released as early as Friday.


Meanwhile, Casey Anthony's defense team is looking for ways to eliminate the strongest evidence against her in the murder of her daughter Caylee. That includes evidence of Caylee's body and chloroform found in Casey's car trunk.

The defense may try to prove that so many people had access to the car during the time it was parked at the Amscot on SR-50 and Goldenrod Road that it's impossible to say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Caylee is dead and Casey is responsible.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17793661/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 10:36:51 AM
Hi new monkeys!

Hi aharlock!  You wouldn't happen to be from Great Britain or therabouts, would you?  ::MonkeyWink::  (I noticed the use of the word petrol).



Hi! I am from the land downunder lol! Think vegemite.... ::MonkeyCool::Yep, I am an Australian.
We don't get any news of Casey here so I have found myself glued to the internet lately; this whole case just stuns me. How can a mum be so cruel?

Yeaaaa!  ::MonkeyDance:: We have another monkey from Australia, she was on this morning!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mint_Julep on October 24, 2008, 10:36:54 AM
Hi new monkeys!

Hi aharlock!  You wouldn't happen to be from Great Britain or therabouts, would you?  ::MonkeyWink::  (I noticed the use of the word petrol).



Hi! I am from the land downunder lol! Think vegemite.... ::MonkeyCool::Yep, I am an Australian.
We don't get any news of Casey here so I have found myself glued to the internet lately; this whole case just stuns me. How can a mum be so cruel?

Oooo you're from Australia!! Very cool! :P 

Yes, it's just a horrible situation. It's so hard to watch it all unfold like this.. Casey still acting like she could care less what happened to her own child.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't think she's acting at all, I believe she still thinks Caylee is standing in her way of having the "Good Life". I hope they fry her if she doesn't give the location of Caylee's body or if the searchers find Caylee.





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mstam656 on October 24, 2008, 10:37:41 AM
Hi new monkeys!

Hi aharlock!  You wouldn't happen to be from Great Britain or therabouts, would you?  ::MonkeyWink::  (I noticed the use of the word petrol).



Hi! I am from the land downunder lol! Think vegemite.... ::MonkeyCool::Yep, I am an Australian.
We don't get any news of Casey here so I have found myself glued to the internet lately; this whole case just stuns me. How can a mum be so cruel?

Welcome Sharlock....I hope to visit Australia in a few years when my hubby retires.

I was in Melbourne in May 2002.....best time of my life!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharlock on October 24, 2008, 10:37:48 AM
Good Morning, morning monkeys and guests


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Colt - thank you for stepping forward and helping in the search coming up.

Questions:

I wonder if the LE can subpoena the letters the Casey wrote to Cindy, George and Lee that JB took when she was in jail??

Since she is not buying anything from the commissary, can her attorney (s) bring her things such as candy, deodorant?

I missed Dana and NG last night...I did read here that there will be FBI document released today and that JB is going to try to get all the car evidence quashed....yea right!  Anything else????



Hmm, those must be the letters JB denied knowing about. I wonder why he felt it was necessary to lie about Casey writing letters to her family? I would like to read them too!

BTW, good  morning to everyone.   :2waver:


I am scurrying to catch up and I must have missed the bit where they mentioned there were letters written by Casey in jail. Could someone tell me where I can read about that please.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: OurAngelCaylee on October 24, 2008, 10:38:45 AM
Read the forensic results from the FBI and Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee regarding Casey Anthony's trunk and other parts of her car.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mint_Julep on October 24, 2008, 10:39:52 AM
Good Morning All!

I read last night on another site that Casey took Tony to the airport early on 6/30 for a 10:00am flight. I thought it was that evening. Has the time been confirmed yet? I believe Casey used Tony's vehicle alot while he was gone. I know in Tony's interview with LE, he was to take them to the carwash that she used before she picked him back up. i hope they were able to find evidence.

Also, KCJackie, when you get here, Bless Your Heart, I know you asked at least half a dozen times about the Lexus calls. I tried last night to find some info for you & this is the best I found so far: I found on Topix where there were regular morning calls to (winter park imports dba lexus of orlando) And that GA did work there for a security company. What I don't understand is why if Casey was calling her Dad why she didn't just call his cell? So I'm not sure.

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::
God I hope she isn't pregnant, that would be to obscene! ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't remember where I read it but someone said CA removed a pregnancy kit from the back of KC's car after it was brought home from the tow yard.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 10:41:22 AM
I have never heard she called any doctors. That would have come up before now, if she did.

jmo

5/21/08 Incoming calls for Amy Huzeinga
(8:11AM) from Casey Anthony: Im definitely sick :-(
(10:30AM) from Casey Anthony: Im going to call the lady in a few minutes. Im headed to the doctors now. I hate this!
(10:33AM) from Casey Anthony: Nope. Twice since i was sick last month. But i have been working a lot. I put in almost 60 hours last week. I think its the flu. Ill know soon.
(10:35AM) from Casey Anthony: Haha ill remember that! What a great house
(10:44AM) from Casey Anthony: Sounds good. Did you stay at the boys?
(10:46AM) from Casey Anthony: Nice.
(10:47AM) from Casey Anthony: Mr. I have no money. What an idiot i swear
(10:53AM) from Casey Anthony: He just complains about stuff to me all the time but changes his mind in an instant. Whatever. At least the last couple times we have hung out not a thing has happened.
(10:57AM) from Casey Anthony: Done and done
(1:16PM) from Casey Anthony: Can i raincheck seeing the house? I just got back from the drs and dont feel too hot at all. Stupid flu
(1:21PM) from Casey Anthony: Well i would love for you to be there. We will figure it out. Im taking the day to rest as much as possible.
(1:23PM) from Casey Anthony: Thanks love! Cant wait to hear about the interview
(5:53PM) from Casey Anthony: Works for me! Im not feeling worse. Found out I have a bruised rib. At least i have nice pills for my flu and ill be popping antiinflamatories like theres no tomorrow
(6:03PM) from Casey Anthony: Haha my mom just told me the same thing on the phone
(8:45PM) from Casey Anthony: Im down!


7/16/08 Statement to Police at Universal Studios with Sergeant Allen, Detective Appie Wells & Casey Anthony page 54
Q  No.  Ah, your baby take any medicines?

A  No.

Q  She needed any medicine?

A  Not at all.

Q  She’s good health?

A  She’s had one cold and it lasted two days her entire life.

Q  Yeah.  Wow.

A  She’s been extremely healthy.

Q  Hmm.  Pediatrician?  Who’s your baby’s pediatrician?

A  Dr. Silva.

Q: Did ah, these chairs aren’t very comfortable?

CASEY ANTHONY: No.

Q: You lay way back.

CASEY ANTHONY: Exactly. I’m not comfortable.

Q: I feel like I’m going to...

CASEY ANTHONY: (LAUGHTER)

Q: Did the nanny ever take...

CASEY ANTHONY: No.

Q: ... the baby to the doctor?

CASEY ANTHONY: The only people that were on the list was myself and both of my parents.  And my dad he come with me to couple visits.  My mom I think came to one.  It was usually just Caylee and I.




I had forgotten about this conversation with Amy, but i don't believe her that she had the flu. Wonder what it really was?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: guideposts on October 24, 2008, 10:41:54 AM

Since KC handed them to JB, they would be considered attorney/client privledge, and are not subpoena-able (is that a word?) as such.  That is...if they exist...as they do not according to JB.

They exist.  JB is a liar.
phone call records from Lee Anthony to his mother Cindy

8/3/2008   1:17:25 PM   do u guys need me at the house prior to tonight's vigil at 830? I was planning on being a little early. Btw-we should not speak of any letters from casey

8/3/2008   1:45:39 PM   Jose has individual messages to us from Casey that he wants to give to us tonight after the vigil. Would u guys be up for going to his office?

8/3/2008   3:26:17 PM   After the vigil sometime tonight.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 10:41:56 AM
Good Morning All!

I read last night on another site that Casey took Tony to the airport early on 6/30 for a 10:00am flight. I thought it was that evening. Has the time been confirmed yet? I believe Casey used Tony's vehicle alot while he was gone. I know in Tony's interview with LE, he was to take them to the carwash that she used before she picked him back up. i hope they were able to find evidence.

Also, KCJackie, when you get here, Bless Your Heart, I know you asked at least half a dozen times about the Lexus calls. I tried last night to find some info for you & this is the best I found so far: I found on Topix where there were regular morning calls to (winter park imports dba lexus of orlando) And that GA did work there for a security company. What I don't understand is why if Casey was calling her Dad why she didn't just call his cell? So I'm not sure.

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::
God I hope she isn't pregnant, that would be to obscene! ::MonkeyNoNo::

IIRC, Cindy found a pregnancy test in the trunk of Casey's car.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Justice0 on October 24, 2008, 10:42:20 AM
DONT KNOW IF IT IS POSTED FBI RESULTS ARE POSTED

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 10:44:19 AM
AMBER ALERTS NATIONWIDE

http://amberalerts.globalincidentmap.com/home.php

Blonde...Thank you...this is a terrific site!!! It even shows attempted abductions...I am forwarding this site to our local school system and others in my addy book


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 10:44:30 AM
Good Morning All!

I read last night on another site that Casey took Tony to the airport early on 6/30 for a 10:00am flight. I thought it was that evening. Has the time been confirmed yet? I believe Casey used Tony's vehicle alot while he was gone. I know in Tony's interview with LE, he was to take them to the carwash that she used before she picked him back up. i hope they were able to find evidence.

Also, KCJackie, when you get here, Bless Your Heart, I know you asked at least half a dozen times about the Lexus calls. I tried last night to find some info for you & this is the best I found so far: I found on Topix where there were regular morning calls to (winter park imports dba lexus of orlando) And that GA did work there for a security company. What I don't understand is why if Casey was calling her Dad why she didn't just call his cell? So I'm not sure.

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::
God I hope she isn't pregnant, that would be to obscene! ::MonkeyNoNo::

IIRC, Cindy found a pregnancy test in the trunk of Casey's car.

Oh Wow I never heard that one!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 10:44:55 AM
I have never heard she called any doctors. That would have come up before now, if she did.

jmo

5/21/08 Incoming calls for Amy Huzeinga
(8:11AM) from Casey Anthony: Im definitely sick :-(
(10:30AM) from Casey Anthony: Im going to call the lady in a few minutes. Im headed to the doctors now. I hate this!
(10:33AM) from Casey Anthony: Nope. Twice since i was sick last month. But i have been working a lot. I put in almost 60 hours last week. I think its the flu. Ill know soon.
(10:35AM) from Casey Anthony: Haha ill remember that! What a great house
(10:44AM) from Casey Anthony: Sounds good. Did you stay at the boys?
(10:46AM) from Casey Anthony: Nice.
(10:47AM) from Casey Anthony: Mr. I have no money. What an idiot i swear
(10:53AM) from Casey Anthony: He just complains about stuff to me all the time but changes his mind in an instant. Whatever. At least the last couple times we have hung out not a thing has happened.
(10:57AM) from Casey Anthony: Done and done
(1:16PM) from Casey Anthony: Can i raincheck seeing the house? I just got back from the drs and dont feel too hot at all. Stupid flu
(1:21PM) from Casey Anthony: Well i would love for you to be there. We will figure it out. Im taking the day to rest as much as possible.
(1:23PM) from Casey Anthony: Thanks love! Cant wait to hear about the interview
(5:53PM) from Casey Anthony: Works for me! Im not feeling worse. Found out I have a bruised rib. At least i have nice pills for my flu and ill be popping antiinflamatories like theres no tomorrow
(6:03PM) from Casey Anthony: Haha my mom just told me the same thing on the phone
(8:45PM) from Casey Anthony: Im down!


7/16/08 Statement to Police at Universal Studios with Sergeant Allen, Detective Appie Wells & Casey Anthony page 54
Q  No.  Ah, your baby take any medicines?

A  No.

Q  She needed any medicine?

A  Not at all.

Q  She’s good health?

A  She’s had one cold and it lasted two days her entire life.

Q  Yeah.  Wow.

A  She’s been extremely healthy.

Q  Hmm.  Pediatrician?  Who’s your baby’s pediatrician?

A  Dr. Silva.

Q: Did ah, these chairs aren’t very comfortable?

CASEY ANTHONY: No.

Q: You lay way back.

CASEY ANTHONY: Exactly. I’m not comfortable.

Q: I feel like I’m going to...

CASEY ANTHONY: (LAUGHTER)

Q: Did the nanny ever take...

CASEY ANTHONY: No.

Q: ... the baby to the doctor?

CASEY ANTHONY: The only people that were on the list was myself and both of my parents.  And my dad he come with me to couple visits.  My mom I think came to one.  It was usually just Caylee and I.




I was talking about the cell phone records never showed any calls to Drs.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: misitx5 on October 24, 2008, 10:47:45 AM
KNAYKNAY please help me I have alot going on and have missed some things can you tell me more about what the state says happened and their theory..

Sorry to be such a bother...TIA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: invision on October 24, 2008, 10:48:58 AM
Read the forensic results from the FBI and Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee regarding Casey Anthony's trunk and other parts of her car.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage

I would assume we can expect another "unprofessional" Urgent Fax from Baez this afternoon ... claiming these documents were "taken out of context!"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Justice0 on October 24, 2008, 10:51:00 AM
WOW

Well from what I can see they do not have alot of evidence!!!

If the body farm did not say about human decomp they would have nothing. One hair, gasoline and somebody removed liner in trunk she would have almost gotten away with it!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: guideposts on October 24, 2008, 10:51:36 AM
Guideposts.. thank you for posting that. I wonder why she had bruised ribs?  ::MonkeyEek::
I wonder if it's all a bunch of BS like ZG's car accident, the mini stroke, etc.. 

I think it was part BS.  At the time she and Amy were supposed to be getting a house together.  Notice she renigs on going to a house showing with Amy because she is so sick.  The statement that gets me is "She’s had one cold and it lasted two days her entire life."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 10:52:18 AM
Read the forensic results from the FBI and Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee regarding Casey Anthony's trunk and other parts of her car.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage

I'm just reading through it now.  There are 34 pages I think.  I've downloaded to my PC and it's also linked below as a PDF.  I'll screen capture the good parts after I read through it all.

NOTE - I couldn't attache the PDF for some reason, it might be too large a file.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharlock on October 24, 2008, 10:52:58 AM
::MonkeyDance:: As a proud new monkey I thought I might introduce myself by posting my possible scenario on what might have happened to Caylee. It goes like this...
Casey planned to murder her daughter to free herself from the shackles of motherhood and to relieve the tensions and problems she had caused by stealing and lying that were making her family and mum turn on her. She felt that her mum loved Caylee more and by not believing her lies anymore had betrayed her( the true trait of a narcissistic borderline personality- me~me~me~me~how dare you not trust me or love me most or deny me anything and god forbid you threaten me!) She thought that if her daughter died in an accident she would be free of responsibility and her family would have so much pity for her they would forget about her lies and stealing and she'd be the centre of attention, showered with affection and love. IMO she was daydreaming how this would make her life so much better but only if it was an accidental death; so she researched chloroform and then made some with the intention of only knocking Caylee out. She would then put her in the pool and Caylee would drown BUT Casey misjudged the amount of chloroform to use and Caylee died before she could get her in the pool meaning that she didn't breathe water into her lungs. Casey still put her in the pool and started to call her parents to come home and help her with her drowned child but then realised that no water in the lungs meant no accident and she would get caught so she panicked putting caylee in a shallow grave near her playhouse thought better of it and put her in the car, drove around in a panic even passing the hospital according to the phone pings a couple of times. Some time later she gets rid of the body but I have no ideas as to where she did this or how.
Sorry that my post was so long, I promise this is the only time I will write a novel and I want to stress this is only a possible scenario.
PS I accidentally put aharlock as my username when I meant to put sharlock; is there anyway to change this?

Yes, there is an option in your profile..I fixed it for you  ::MonkeyWink::

Thankyou sooo much. I can't get over how nice all you monkeys are! I appreciate everyones warm welcome. I just know I am going to love it here!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: can on October 24, 2008, 10:53:46 AM
Good morning Monkeys - Happy Friday!
Welcome all new monkeys!

Cubbeegirl - a homecoming date...do tell!  ::MonkeyDance::

LP seems so convinced (NG last night) that they have the area where Caylee
was deposited pegged.  Can't wait for Tim and TES volunteers to find her!

Good morning Can.... I pray LP is right... that baby deserves to be found....
Re/ homecoming date...Mrs. Aydell's little newphew ( who Kaitlin adored) was picked as a junior attendant for a local HS homecoming and she wants me to go with her to take pics.... I asked her if she was buying me a corsage and where we were going to eat.... ::MonkeyWink::
Ah...that's nice.  Have fun ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KnayKnay on October 24, 2008, 10:53:52 AM
Wow - IMO as far as I can see - they don't have anything. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Justice0 on October 24, 2008, 10:56:08 AM
Wow - IMO as far as I can see - they don't have anything. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

That is the same thing i said!!!

1 hair??

a hair on shovel not Caylee or Casey's

She almost got away with it!!

And if they do not allow body farm iin court prosecution is screwed


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 10:56:17 AM
Important to note that the chloroform found did NOT have chemicals like acetone or alcohols in its composition.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 10:56:39 AM
Read the forensic results from the FBI and Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee regarding Casey Anthony's trunk and other parts of her car.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage

I would assume we can expect another "unprofessional" Urgent Fax from Baez this afternoon ... claiming these documents were "taken out of context!"

After grade school lets out so they can type it up for him.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 10:56:57 AM
I am not seeing any good evidence in the report.  It looks like they are still do some testing.  I hope they find more.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: guideposts on October 24, 2008, 10:57:13 AM

I was talking about the cell phone records never showed any calls to Drs.

Sorry, misunderstood.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mioyshi on October 24, 2008, 10:58:45 AM
Good morning all here, and thank you for keeping the missing , in everyones thoughts.
I understand first hand, how it feels to have a missing family member, as my partners mother was kidnapped from her home, on dec 16th, 2007.  She is still missing, and we never hear a word about the happening from le. 
There was not a search, of thousands of folks looking for Judith Osteen, only myself, and my partner, even on Christmas day, we searched the swamps here in north florida for my partners mother.  Le did a small search  a week or so after the kidnapping.

SO, while we wait and hope for our own missing to be found, we have gone to search for Caylee also.  I was born and raised in Orlando, so, I know it well.

On our first search, we went to Boggy Creek road.  The railroad, and the old cars there interested me. I stopped at an old road, that is pretty well hidden, and I got out and walked a while there, looking up, and noticing there was an old sign , " Sawgrass Aprarments", right there.  There were also 2 buzzards, sitting on that sign looking down at me. It sort of gave me the creeps.
This was right beside the underpass, that Caysey traded cars. I have to believe, she knows this area well too from her stopping there.  Ike was upon us, and the rains came, so we had to drive back home, the almost 200 miles.
This is also  near the place, where the car dealer man, says he saw Casey there..

WE went back, last week, and again, searched this area. While we were in the woods there, I found a culvert. It is right out in the middle of the woods, nothing around it, but, water was comming out,, and leading into this stream that goes to the south end of the airport.  I could not see inside that culvert far, as it was grown up with weeds.
I truley believe Caylee's little body is buried there near that roadway, close to the railroad tracks off of Boggy Creek road.
We also went to Blanchard park, as well, as to the trash can by amscott , which is only a few miniutes away from Blanchard park. That area is too congested to bury a body, or throw one in the trash, and not noticed.  ON the way to Blanchard park, we stopped by the ANthony's house.  No one there, but 2 news vans..
I am thinking , we will go back again, and have another look.   Like I have told my partner, " AT least we know where she isnt".
Now, to find where she IS.......

 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 10:59:01 AM
DONT KNOW IF IT IS POSTED FBI RESULTS ARE POSTED

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage

 ::MonkeyShocked::

How can the document be read?

Thanks

Janet

+++++++++++

Read the forensic results from the FBI and Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee regarding Casey Anthony's trunk and other parts of her car.

This PDF includes documents released by prosecutors in the Casey Anthony case. The document has been edited to remove personal information such as dates of birth and phone numbers.

Please be patient while the document loads; there are 34 pages of evidence.


.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Justice0 on October 24, 2008, 10:59:07 AM
Important to note that the chloroform found did NOT have chemicals like acetone or alcohols in its composition.

Didn't it say that chloroform is found in early stages of decomp??

So she must not have kept her in car long


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: numbersgirl on October 24, 2008, 10:59:20 AM
Good Morning All Monkeys!  Thanks for the laughs already...I can't wait to see these
new documents...but I'm at work, boss is here today, thinks we are running an accounting firm!  Just because his name is on the door he thinks he gets to call the shots... ::MonkeyWaa::.  I'm going to revise our corporate policy to get a mandatory holiday anytime new stuff gets released in this case!  Can I get some monkey support on this initiative?? ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 10:59:34 AM
Wow - IMO as far as I can see - they don't have anything. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

That is the same thing i said!!!

1 hair??

a hair on shovel not Caylee or Casey's

She almost got away with it!!

And if they do not allow body farm iin court prosecution is screwed

I haven't read thru all of it yet, but you're right.. if this is all they have, it's not a great case.  BUT we don't know if this is everything. Some tests may still be out, and Des said they were testing new evidence as of last week, right?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Justice0 on October 24, 2008, 11:01:48 AM
Wow - IMO as far as I can see - they don't have anything. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

That is the same thing i said!!!

1 hair??

a hair on shovel not Caylee or Casey's

She almost got away with it!!

And if they do not allow body farm iin court prosecution is screwed

I haven't read thru all of it yet, but you're right.. if this is all they have, it's not a great case.  BUT we don't know if this is everything. Some tests may still be out, and Des said they were testing new evidence as of last week, right?


Thats what des said I hope she is right, Cause if Baez gets evidence in trunk thrown out what will they have?  I cannot believe that she was good enough to have everything cleaned out of that trunk! No blood no nothing...but they didnt say what the stain was did they?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: IMissThirdGrade on October 24, 2008, 11:01:59 AM
I think this 34 page report is VERY preliminary.

This is the stuff that was leaked way back at end of August.

The more definitive stuff we aren't going to see.  This is not the report presented to grand jury.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 24, 2008, 11:02:07 AM
Wow - IMO as far as I can see - they don't have anything. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

That is the same thing i said!!!

1 hair??

a hair on shovel not Caylee or Casey's

She almost got away with it!!

And if they do not allow body farm iin court prosecution is screwed

I am heart sick. i just KNEW the FBI would have some damning evidence. This can't be all of it.  The only thing i can think of is the hair belonged to Casey's helper.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 24, 2008, 11:03:21 AM
I think this 34 page report is VERY preliminary.

This is the stuff that was leaked way back at end of August.

The more definitive stuff we aren't going to see.  This is not the report presented to grand jury.



Mornin IMissThirdGrade..
i hope you are right!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 11:03:59 AM
DONT KNOW IF IT IS POSTED FBI RESULTS ARE POSTED

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage

 ::MonkeyShocked::

How can the document be read?

Thanks

Janet

+++++++++++

Read the forensic results from the FBI and Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee regarding Casey Anthony's trunk and other parts of her car.

This PDF includes documents released by prosecutors in the Casey Anthony case. The document has been edited to remove personal information such as dates of birth and phone numbers.

Please be patient while the document loads; there are 34 pages of evidence.


.....

THATS IT!!!  NO DECOMPOSITION RELATING TO HAIR FOUND!!!

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 11:04:37 AM
DONT KNOW IF IT IS POSTED FBI RESULTS ARE POSTED

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage


You can save them to your PC too if you wish from the link above.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 11:04:48 AM
I think this 34 page report is VERY preliminary.

This is the stuff that was leaked way back at end of August.

The more definitive stuff we aren't going to see.  This is not the report presented to grand jury.



I Agree.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: invision on October 24, 2008, 11:05:01 AM
Wow - IMO as far as I can see - they don't have anything. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

That is the same thing i said!!!

1 hair??

a hair on shovel not Caylee or Casey's

She almost got away with it!!

And if they do not allow body farm iin court prosecution is screwed

I haven't read thru all of it yet, but you're right.. if this is all they have, it's not a great case.  BUT we don't know if this is everything. Some tests may still be out, and Des said they were testing new evidence as of last week, right?

Before I hit the panic button ... I am going to "assume" this is to "appease" the public and LE has much more ... I keep reminding myself that they DID get an indictment for murder... this newly released info does not warrant one .... so there has to be more!  IMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: IMissThirdGrade on October 24, 2008, 11:05:51 AM
I think this 34 page report is VERY preliminary.

This is the stuff that was leaked way back at end of August.

The more definitive stuff we aren't going to see.  This is not the report presented to grand jury.



this was what we got leaked to us back in August.  First round of testing.

This isn't THE case.

Mornin IMissThirdGrade..
i hope you are right!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:05:53 AM
The trunk samples are looking better for evidence.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 11:07:01 AM
I believe the report we're seeing today is what was used by the GJ to indict - they are still working on more evidence. 
There is a lot of info in the report but if you skip to the "conclusions" paragraphs, looks to me like they have enough data to support human decomp in the trunk, with very high levels of chloroform.  This was apparently enough for the GJ.   Let's hope that the other evidence they are still working on seals the deal. 
I could swear that they were saying last night on NG that "the latest DNA evidence" would be released today. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Stacey on October 24, 2008, 11:09:01 AM
Good Morning, morning monkeys and guests


Mary, Sandcranelady, Mint_Julep, PookyBear, Monken, AZLady, heathers, MisterMichaelJ, Steel Monkey, RossiRacing1, mammajo, wreck, Kimmy53, oldfart, darby, 3bsmom, goodnmad, mstam656, trimmonthelake, KiahJ and 25 Guests are viewing this topic.

Colt - thank you for stepping forward and helping in the search coming up.

Questions:

I wonder if the LE can subpoena the letters the Casey wrote to Cindy, George and Lee that JB took when she was in jail??

Since she is not buying anything from the commissary, can her attorney (s) bring her things such as candy, deodorant?

I missed Dana and NG last night...I did read here that there will be FBI document released today and that JB is going to try to get all the car evidence quashed....yea right!  Anything else????



Hmm, those must be the letters JB denied knowing about. I wonder why he felt it was necessary to lie about Casey writing letters to her family? I would like to read them too!

BTW, good  morning to everyone.   :2waver:



Good morning to all monkeys.
We know that letters were written from Casey to her family and that JB gave them to the family. But But But is this legal can he get in trouble for this?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: invision on October 24, 2008, 11:09:22 AM
Good morning all here, and thank you for keeping the missing , in everyones thoughts.
I understand first hand, how it feels to have a missing family member, as my partners mother was kidnapped from her home, on dec 16th, 2007.  She is still missing, and we never hear a word about the happening from le. 
There was not a search, of thousands of folks looking for Judith Osteen, only myself, and my partner, even on Christmas day, we searched the swamps here in north florida for my partners mother.  Le did a small search  a week or so after the kidnapping.

SO, while we wait and hope for our own missing to be found, we have gone to search for Caylee also.  I was born and raised in Orlando, so, I know it well.

On our first search, we went to Boggy Creek road.  The railroad, and the old cars there interested me. I stopped at an old road, that is pretty well hidden, and I got out and walked a while there, looking up, and noticing there was an old sign , " Sawgrass Aprarments", right there.  There were also 2 buzzards, sitting on that sign looking down at me. It sort of gave me the creeps.
This was right beside the underpass, that Caysey traded cars. I have to believe, she knows this area well too from her stopping there.  Ike was upon us, and the rains came, so we had to drive back home, the almost 200 miles.
This is also  near the place, where the car dealer man, says he saw Casey there..

WE went back, last week, and again, searched this area. While we were in the woods there, I found a culvert. It is right out in the middle of the woods, nothing around it, but, water was comming out,, and leading into this stream that goes to the south end of the airport.  I could not see inside that culvert far, as it was grown up with weeds.
I truley believe Caylee's little body is buried there near that roadway, close to the railroad tracks off of Boggy Creek road.
We also went to Blanchard park, as well, as to the trash can by amscott , which is only a few miniutes away from Blanchard park. That area is too congested to bury a body, or throw one in the trash, and not noticed.  ON the way to Blanchard park, we stopped by the ANthony's house.  No one there, but 2 news vans..
I am thinking , we will go back again, and have another look.   Like I have told my partner, " AT least we know where she isnt".
Now, to find where she IS.......

 


Welcome to SM Moiyshi - So sorry to hear about your partners mother ... maybe you can start a thread here on SM of the info that you do have and some smart monkeys can do some research for you.

I have also searched off Boggy Creek Road ... That is a largely wooded and very swampy area ... Lots of "hiding places" along that road!   ::MonkeyNoNo::  (Not to mention some of the biggest spiders I have ever seen!)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: IMissThirdGrade on October 24, 2008, 11:09:55 AM
I believe the report we're seeing today is what was used by the GJ to indict - they are still working on more evidence. 
There is a lot of info in the report but if you skip to the "conclusions" paragraphs, looks to me like they have enough data to support human decomp in the trunk, with very high levels of chloroform.  This was apparently enough for the GJ.   Let's hope that the other evidence they are still working on seals the deal. 
I could swear that they were saying last night on NG that "the latest DNA evidence" would be released today. 

NG says everything is 'the latest'  LOL

naaahh....this report is/was just the first round of preliminary testing.  We now they did additional testing with results given to the SA at end of September, hence the grand jury calling on the 14th of October.  SA was waiting on more results.

Plus we now know they have even MORE new stuff sent out for testing.

What we got today is nothing and just gives the Anthony's more reason to muddy our telly's tonight with "see, I told you she's alive"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 11:10:29 AM
The trunk samples are looking better for evidence.

The results for the pizza are pretty  neat.. they can pretty much state that there was no pizza in the trunk, or at least that pizza would NOT contribute to the odor found there..  nor would maggots have been on the pizza.

Are there results listed here as far as testing on maggots?  (I am not finished reading and have to go get my son from school).  Those results would be telling, I'm sure.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 11:11:44 AM
Good Morning, morning monkeys and guests


Mary, Sandcranelady, Mint_Julep, PookyBear, Monken, AZLady, heathers, MisterMichaelJ, Steel Monkey, RossiRacing1, mammajo, wreck, Kimmy53, oldfart, darby, 3bsmom, goodnmad, mstam656, trimmonthelake, KiahJ and 25 Guests are viewing this topic.

Colt - thank you for stepping forward and helping in the search coming up.

Questions:

I wonder if the LE can subpoena the letters the Casey wrote to Cindy, George and Lee that JB took when she was in jail??

Since she is not buying anything from the commissary, can her attorney (s) bring her things such as candy, deodorant?

I missed Dana and NG last night...I did read here that there will be FBI document released today and that JB is going to try to get all the car evidence quashed....yea right!  Anything else????



Hmm, those must be the letters JB denied knowing about. I wonder why he felt it was necessary to lie about Casey writing letters to her family? I would like to read them too!

BTW, good  morning to everyone.   :2waver:



Good morning to all monkeys.
We know that letters were written from Casey to her family and that JB gave them to the family. But But But is this legal can he get in trouble for this?


It's perfectly legal.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 11:12:48 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/17793661/detail.html

DNA Results Released In Casey Anthony Case

POSTED: 8:21 am EDT October 24, 2008
UPDATED: 11:07 am EDT October 24, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News obtained the forensic report released late Friday morning in the case against Casey Anthony.

The report details findings from FBI tests on items found inside Casey's car, including DNA results on hair samples and forensic testing of debris and clothing (read details).

Among the results is confirmation that a hair sample found in the vehicle "exhibits characteristics of apparent decomposition." The report also says that hair is "microscopically similar" to hair investigators took from Caylee's hairbrush, but couldn't confirm it was conclusively Caylee's.

DNA testing done on that piece of hair and compared with a sample provided by Casey confirmed that neither Casey nor Caylee can be "excluded as the source of the hair," because the "mtDNA sequences ... are the same."


and we know Casey is alive


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 11:13:38 AM

NG says everything is 'the latest'  LOL

naaahh....this report is/was just the first round of preliminary testing.  We now they did additional testing with results given to the SA at end of September, hence the grand jury calling on the 14th of October.  SA was waiting on more results.

Plus we now know they have even MORE new stuff sent out for testing.

I think you're right, I just wonder if there is really going to be anything NEW released today.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 11:15:14 AM
FOXNEWS COVERING THIS NOW


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 11:16:55 AM
If the samples show early decomposition, LP's theory of the 27th may be true.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:17:17 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/17793661/detail.html

DNA Results Released In Casey Anthony Case

POSTED: 8:21 am EDT October 24, 2008
UPDATED: 11:07 am EDT October 24, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News obtained the forensic report released late Friday morning in the case against Casey Anthony.

The report details findings from FBI tests on items found inside Casey's car, including DNA results on hair samples and forensic testing of debris and clothing (read details).

Among the results is confirmation that a hair sample found in the vehicle "exhibits characteristics of apparent decomposition." The report also says that hair is "microscopically similar" to hair investigators took from Caylee's hairbrush, but couldn't confirm it was conclusively Caylee's.

DNA testing done on that piece of hair and compared with a sample provided by Casey confirmed that neither Casey nor Caylee can be "excluded as the source of the hair," because the "mtDNA sequences ... are the same."


and we know Casey is alive

Ok I misread the report...Whew!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 11:21:12 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/17793661/detail.html

DNA Results Released In Casey Anthony Case

POSTED: 8:21 am EDT October 24, 2008
UPDATED: 11:07 am EDT October 24, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News obtained the forensic report released late Friday morning in the case against Casey Anthony

The report details findings from FBI tests on items found inside Casey's car, including DNA results on hair samples and forensic testing of debris and clothing (read details).

Among the results is confirmation that a hair sample found in the vehicle "exhibits characteristics of apparent decomposition." The report also says that hair is "microscopically similar" to hair investigators took from Caylee's hairbrush, but couldn't confirm it was conclusively Caylee's.

DNA testing done on that piece of hair and compared with a sample provided by Casey confirmed that neither Casey nor Caylee can be "excluded as the source of the hair," because the "mtDNA sequences ... are the same."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: misitx5 on October 24, 2008, 11:23:31 AM
Ok so this is saying that any decomp that took place in the trunk was with little oxygen? So what does this mean?

Could this support the theory Caylee was in a sealed container?

Some wonderful monkey help me..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 11:24:06 AM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17794413/detail.html

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A body was found at NorthStar High School in Orange County Friday morning.

The body was found in a dirt area that is used as a parking lot at the school on Curry Ford Road.

Detectives said they believe the body was brought from a different location and dumped in a lot behind the school.

*snipped*


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: IMissThirdGrade on October 24, 2008, 11:24:41 AM
LE has Caylee's DNA now...but when that stuff was sent for testing the report clearly shows that all they had to compare it to was hair on Caylee's hairbrush...which wasn't sufficient for an exact match.


I wouldnt' worry two minutes over any of what this report says.  They have ALL they need with no chance of acquittal.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:25:01 AM
The one thing the report keeps saying is the samples show all the evidence in early decomposition.  Does that mean that Caylee was only in the trunk a few days and not the 11 days some are saying?  Or does the body stop producing the things after the first couple of days?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 11:25:09 AM
DONT KNOW IF IT IS POSTED FBI RESULTS ARE POSTED

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage

 ::MonkeyShocked::

How can the document be read?

Thanks

Janet

+++++++++++

Read the forensic results from the FBI and Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee regarding Casey Anthony's trunk and other parts of her car.

This PDF includes documents released by prosecutors in the Casey Anthony case. The document has been edited to remove personal information such as dates of birth and phone numbers.

Please be patient while the document loads; there are 34 pages of evidence.


.....

THATS IT!!!  NO DECOMPOSITION RELATING TO HAIR FOUND!!!

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet




Maybe the hair strands were unrelated to Caylee Marie ... but the decomposition that was forensically tested for DNA implied Caylee had been in the trunk of Caylee's vehicle.

When you think about it.  If Caylee Marie was put in a plastic bag or container that allowed decomposition fluid to leaked into the trunk ... it is understandable why the hair strands that were found did not show signs of decomposition.

When you think about it.  The press statement from the Sheriff's office did not specify whether it was the hair strands or the decomposition which indicated that Caylee Marie had been in the trunk of her mother's vehicle.

Janet

+++++++++

updated 1:37 p.m. EDT, Tue September 2, 2008
No immunity for Caylee's mom, prosecutor says


"[FBI] laboratory evidence, along with additional evidence that has not been made public, leads investigators to the belief there is a strong probability that Caylee is deceased," the Orange County Sheriff's Office said.  

"If any evidence to the contrary is provided, it will be vigorously pursued," the statement added.

Forensics tests confirmed there had been a decomposing body in the car, the statement said. Detectives  disclosed at a July hearing the trunk contained hair samples appearing to belong to Caylee, a strong odor and suspicious stain that glowed under black light.

http://edition1.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/02/caylee.missing.ap/index.html


'Additional Evidence' Indicates Caylee Anthony Is Dead
Lead Investigator Says Body In Trunk Was 3-Year-Old
POSTED: 2:21 pm EDT August 31, 2008
UPDATED: 3:03 pm EDT September 1, 2008


"The information we've gotten back from the lab that she was in the trunk of that car and that she is dead is certainly something we take seriously," said Orange County Sheriff's Office Sgt. John Allen.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17353349/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: IMissThirdGrade on October 24, 2008, 11:27:01 AM
The one thing the report keeps saying is the samples show all the evidence in early decomposition.  Does that mean that Caylee was only in the trunk a few days and not the 11 days some are saying?  Or does the body stop producing the things after the first couple of days?

The "leaks" we get and have gotten since end of August are NOT in this report.

This was just preliminary. 

The 11 days worth of decomp and all these chloroform recipe searches...all of that is not what we got today.  We probably won't see any of that until the very day that LE has to give it over to the defense. 



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: misitx5 on October 24, 2008, 11:32:04 AM
LE has Caylee's DNA now...but when that stuff was sent for testing the report clearly shows that all they had to compare it to was hair on Caylee's hairbrush...which wasn't sufficient for an exact match.


I wouldnt' worry two minutes over any of what this report says.  They have ALL they need with no chance of acquittal.

Right and this is just the Body farm we have not seen the FBIs lab results..
Correct??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 11:32:18 AM
I could be wrong but ... I believe that Leonard Padilla was the only source who implied that the hair strands found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle showed signs of decomposition.  I wonder who/what lead him to come to this conclusion?

Janet

++++++


New Twist In Casey Anthony Case
Thursday, September 4, 2008
Brother may be tied to case
by Rozzie Franco and Nada Taha, 540 WFLA/FNN


ORLANDO, FLA. --   The latest twist in the Casey Anthony case comes from the man who at one point gave her a “get out of jail free” card and may tie her brother, Lee Anthony, into the saga ...

Padilla said that officials ruled it was Caylee’s hair just by a process of elimination because the hair had a death ring around it and they know Casey is alive. The fact that the DNA is identical has something to do with who the father is, Padilla said.

“Would the DNA from a child resulting from a union from Lee and Casey have basically the same characteristics? Making the preliminary DNA check not definitive as to who the hair samples are from,” he said.

http://www.540wfla.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=227698&article=4189759


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:33:13 AM
The one thing the report keeps saying is the samples show all the evidence in early decomposition.  Does that mean that Caylee was only in the trunk a few days and not the 11 days some are saying?  Or does the body stop producing the things after the first couple of days?

The "leaks" we get and have gotten since end of August are NOT in this report.

This was just preliminary. 

The 11 days worth of decomp and all these chloroform recipe searches...all of that is not what we got today.  We probably won't see any of that until the very day that LE has to give it over to the defense. 



Some of the dates of evidence received is in late September so it has to be pretty recent.  I do see where it says more testing is being done on some of the evidence.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: misitx5 on October 24, 2008, 11:33:28 AM
LE has Caylee's DNA now...but when that stuff was sent for testing the report clearly shows that all they had to compare it to was hair on Caylee's hairbrush...which wasn't sufficient for an exact match.


I wouldnt' worry two minutes over any of what this report says.  They have ALL they need with no chance of acquittal.

Right and this is just the Body farm we have not seen the FBIs lab results..
Correct??

Nevermind I really cant read latley I swear to much going on I see FBI results  I also think this is not all they have..

Sorry


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: IMissThirdGrade on October 24, 2008, 11:35:24 AM
One of the hairs DID show signs of decomposition. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 11:35:34 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/FBIHAIR1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/FBIHAIR2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/FBIHAIR3.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:36:11 AM
LE has Caylee's DNA now...but when that stuff was sent for testing the report clearly shows that all they had to compare it to was hair on Caylee's hairbrush...which wasn't sufficient for an exact match.


I wouldnt' worry two minutes over any of what this report says.  They have ALL they need with no chance of acquittal.

Right and this is just the Body farm we have not seen the FBIs lab results..
Correct??

One of pages in the report shows up blue and it says FBI labs at the top.  Does everyone  elses show up blue.  Thought that was weird.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 11:36:23 AM
LE has Caylee's DNA now...but when that stuff was sent for testing the report clearly shows that all they had to compare it to was hair on Caylee's hairbrush...which wasn't sufficient for an exact match.


I wouldnt' worry two minutes over any of what this report says.  They have ALL they need with no chance of acquittal.

Right and this is just the Body farm we have not seen the FBIs lab results..
Correct??

Read the forensic results from the FBI and Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee  regarding Casey Anthony's trunk and other parts of her car.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage

 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 11:36:35 AM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17794413/detail.html

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A body was found at NorthStar High School in Orange County Friday morning.

The body was found in a dirt area that is used as a parking lot at the school on Curry Ford Road.

Detectives said they believe the body was brought from a different location and dumped in a lot behind the school.

*snipped*

this is only 2 miles from where she lived- i wish they would give more info


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 11:37:33 AM
LE has Caylee's DNA now...but when that stuff was sent for testing the report clearly shows that all they had to compare it to was hair on Caylee's hairbrush...which wasn't sufficient for an exact match.


I wouldnt' worry two minutes over any of what this report says.  They have ALL they need with no chance of acquittal.

Right and this is just the Body farm we have not seen the FBIs lab results..
Correct??

One of pages in the report shows up blue and it says FBI labs at the top.  Does everyone  elses show up blue.  Thought that was weird.

you may have accidentally hit page and clicked w/left mouse button- this will turn page blue


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: IMissThirdGrade on October 24, 2008, 11:38:44 AM
the decomposing hair test against Casey/Caylee was done on July 28th



this is old testing


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:39:23 AM
LE has Caylee's DNA now...but when that stuff was sent for testing the report clearly shows that all they had to compare it to was hair on Caylee's hairbrush...which wasn't sufficient for an exact match.


I wouldnt' worry two minutes over any of what this report says.  They have ALL they need with no chance of acquittal.

Right and this is just the Body farm we have not seen the FBIs lab results..
Correct??

One of pages in the report shows up blue and it says FBI labs at the top.  Does everyone  elses show up blue.  Thought that was weird.

you may have accidentally hit page and clicked w/left mouse button- this will turn page blue

I thought I had done that also but went back and its still blue...lol...like read me this is important...weird!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 11:40:42 AM
Good Morning All!

I read last night on another site that Casey took Tony to the airport early on 6/30 for a 10:00am flight. I thought it was that evening. Has the time been confirmed yet? I believe Casey used Tony's vehicle alot while he was gone. I know in Tony's interview with LE, he was to take them to the carwash that she used before she picked him back up. i hope they were able to find evidence.

Also, KCJackie, when you get here, Bless Your Heart, I know you asked at least half a dozen times about the Lexus calls. I tried last night to find some info for you & this is the best I found so far: I found on Topix where there were regular morning calls to (winter park imports dba lexus of orlando) And that GA did work there for a security company. What I don't understand is why if Casey was calling her Dad why she didn't just call his cell? So I'm not sure.

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::

Monken -Thank You for the info!  The calls to Lexus may be nothing.  I just find it odd that she was calling there - even after GA changed jobs.  Maybe if she had a friend in sales - she could have got a loaner car.  Lexus goes out of their way to keep the customer happy - IMO (from personal experience - they will bend over backwards to suck up to you).  She could have been acting interested in buying a car there - so she would be able to drive a loaner to test over a good period of time.  As far as physician calls - I haven't noticed any - except the ones to CA work (physicians office - not ob/gyn though). ::MonkeyConfused::  Thanks again, Monken!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 11:40:45 AM
LE has Caylee's DNA now...but when that stuff was sent for testing the report clearly shows that all they had to compare it to was hair on Caylee's hairbrush...which wasn't sufficient for an exact match.


I wouldnt' worry two minutes over any of what this report says.  They have ALL they need with no chance of acquittal.

Right and this is just the Body farm we have not seen the FBIs lab results..
Correct??

One of pages in the report shows up blue and it says FBI labs at the top.  Does everyone  elses show up blue.  Thought that was weird.

you may have accidentally hit page and clicked w/left mouse button- this will turn page blue

I thought I had done that also but went back and its still blue...lol...like read me this is important...weird!

try clicking again- trust me, none of them are blue :)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 11:41:26 AM
Okay, I'm trying to think logically here, and I can't understand how the chain of custody with the car could negate the results.

1)The hair shows signs of decomposition
2)The hair is microscopically similar to hair in Caylee's hairbrush
3)The mitochondrial DNA matches both Caylee and Casey
4)We know Casey isn't dead

What does chain of custody have to do with that proof? It's a hair sample matching a missing child, and the hair sample shows signs of decomposition. It doesn't matter who might have placed the hair in the trunk, it still shows the child is missing and likely deceased.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 11:41:58 AM
In the pages you posted, Klaas, what does the "hispanic 1" mean?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 11:42:06 AM
One of the hairs DID show signs of decomposition. 


Yes, that is how I am reading it also....in my opinion...this reports tells me this, in short form....

someone was deceased...in the trunk of that car......


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: IMissThirdGrade on October 24, 2008, 11:43:02 AM
Okay, I'm trying to think logically here, and I can't understand how the chain of custody with the car could negate the results.

1)The hair shows signs of decomposition
2)The hair is microscopically similar to hair in Caylee's hairbrush
3)The mitochondrial DNA matches both Caylee and Casey
4)We know Casey isn't dead

What does chain of custody have to do with that proof? It's a hair sample matching a missing child, and the hair sample shows signs of decomposition. It doesn't matter who might have placed the hair in the trunk, it still shows the child is missing and likely deceased.

eggzactly!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 11:43:31 AM
Okay, I'm trying to think logically here, and I can't understand how the chain of custody with the car could negate the results.

1)The hair shows signs of decomposition
2)The hair is microscopically similar to hair in Caylee's hairbrush
3)The mitochondrial DNA matches both Caylee and Casey
4)We know Casey isn't dead

What does chain of custody have to do with that proof? It's a hair sample matching a missing child, and the hair sample shows signs of decomposition. It doesn't matter who might have placed the hair in the trunk, it still shows the child is missing and likely deceased.


I agree BT and that is exactly how I am reading this report...there was a dead body in that car....mitochondrial DNA comes from the mother...Casey sits in the pokey...where is Caylee?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 11:43:32 AM
Hi
Klaas,  One day if you feel like it, try to put this map in 3D it's the 30th and I tried to label only the marker titles. Thanks, Jackie

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!354&encType=1)
Hi, you said "petrol cans" are you in England???
Interesting map - according to the calls, did she not sleep at all that night?  Why wasn't she spending the night at Tony's?  She was calling her mom's house at 1:30 in the morning? And the number 15 marker - am I reading that correctly to show that she was in the woods off the Beachline after 4 in the morning?  If I am looking at it correctly, that's where I'd be searching - at that spot off the Beachline.


I'm sure she was up the whole night,  JMO - but I think this is the night she probably "got rid" of Caylee.  The Anthony's home placed several calls to her from 1:30 - 2:00 am - which is a little odd compared to the rest of the nights.  #15 is where I think she took her.  For some reason she starts calling Andy F. on this day or the day before - can't remember off hand.  I looked up his address and it looks like he could live close to maybe #14.  #15 I believe is one of the areas they will be searching.  Hopefully.  At 10:00 am she was calling Jesse to use his shower - which she showed up right after that per Jesse. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Yup.  I think you've got that one pegged exactly right.

TY - Now we have to figure out how she got around (no pun intended) without a vehicle from the 26/27 - 30th.  And who was the dark haired guy in the truck at her parents house that the neighbor seen her with?
Hi Monkeys! I'm new here but have enjoyed lurking around since I found your site a little over a week ago. You guys have really great discussions and info on this site.
I re; to your post, Caseys boyfriend said that he drove her to her house a few times including the time she stole the petrol cans (though he said he didn't get out of the car and didn't know she stole them) so I thought it was probably him.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 11:44:59 AM
Doctor Baden to explain the results coming up on Fox....of course we all know that could mean in an hour or two.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 11:45:56 AM
One of the hairs DID show signs of decomposition. 


Yes, that is how I am reading it also....in my opinion...this reports tells me this, in short form....

someone was deceased...in the trunk of that car......

I wish I could completely understand everything in this report. I believe I get the gist of it- but I wish it was more definite. They seem to end everything with a shred of doubt. I really hope that they do some sort of testing with dead squirrels, so that if Baez tries to put a shred of doubt out there- they can knock it down. Although- I am hoping this is just a small slice of the evidence.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 11:46:33 AM
We also have to put this report together with all of the other circumstantial evidence...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 11:46:47 AM
Okay, I'm trying to think logically here, and I can't understand how the chain of custody with the car could negate the results.

1)The hair shows signs of decomposition
2)The hair is microscopically similar to hair in Caylee's hairbrush
3)The mitochondrial DNA matches both Caylee and Casey
4)We know Casey isn't dead

What does chain of custody have to do with that proof? It's a hair sample matching a missing child, and the hair sample shows signs of decomposition. It doesn't matter who might have placed the hair in the trunk, it still shows the child is missing and likely deceased.

Baez and Anthonys want to put the blame on someone other than Casey.  Cindy says that someone could have put a body in the trunk of the car at the tow yard.  Maybe LE planted the hair.  They are reaching for anything at this point.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:47:21 AM
LE has Caylee's DNA now...but when that stuff was sent for testing the report clearly shows that all they had to compare it to was hair on Caylee's hairbrush...which wasn't sufficient for an exact match.


I wouldnt' worry two minutes over any of what this report says.  They have ALL they need with no chance of acquittal.

Right and this is just the Body farm we have not seen the FBIs lab results..
Correct??

One of pages in the report shows up blue and it says FBI labs at the top.  Does everyone  elses show up blue.  Thought that was weird.

you may have accidentally hit page and clicked w/left mouse button- this will turn page blue

I thought I had done that also but went back and its still blue...lol...like read me this is important...weird!

try clicking again- trust me, none of them are blue :)

Ok I got it off...it said copy this page...lol!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharlock on October 24, 2008, 11:47:27 AM
KNAYKNAY please help me I have alot going on and have missed some things can you tell me more about what the state says happened and their theory..

Sorry to be such a bother...TIA
The state isn't speculating at all on what may have happened KNAYKNAY. So far they can show that hair from either Casey or Caylee was in the boot with evidence of human decomp and high chloroform results. Nothing else in the trunk seems of much value but this is only the preliminary testings. More were done that haven't been released yet. The shovel did have a hair on it as well but it wasn't from Casey or Caylee. IMO someone cleaned that trunk aout really good. I'm hoping to see results from the vacuum George used.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 11:47:28 AM
Good Morning All!

I read last night on another site that Casey took Tony to the airport early on 6/30 for a 10:00am flight. I thought it was that evening. Has the time been confirmed yet? I believe Casey used Tony's vehicle alot while he was gone. I know in Tony's interview with LE, he was to take them to the carwash that she used before she picked him back up. i hope they were able to find evidence.

Also, KCJackie, when you get here, Bless Your Heart, I know you asked at least half a dozen times about the Lexus calls. I tried last night to find some info for you & this is the best I found so far: I found on Topix where there were regular morning calls to (winter park imports dba lexus of orlando) And that GA did work there for a security company. What I don't understand is why if Casey was calling her Dad why she didn't just call his cell? So I'm not sure.

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::

Monken -Thank You for the info!  The calls to Lexus may be nothing.  I just find it odd that she was calling there - even after GA changed jobs.  Maybe if she had a friend in sales - she could have got a loaner car.  Lexus goes out of their way to keep the customer happy - IMO (from personal experience - they will bend over backwards to suck up to you).  She could have been acting interested in buying a car there - so she would be able to drive a loaner to test over a good period of time.  As far as physician calls - I haven't noticed any - except the ones to CA work (physicians office - not ob/gyn though). ::MonkeyConfused::  Thanks again, Monken!


You Welcome!!




Dr Baden on FOXNEWS NOw!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 11:48:43 AM
Doctor Baden....FBI found hair came from Caylee after she was dead...identity of father known but not being released...root indicates she was dead....chloroform has to be farther evaluated, but could be cause of death....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Western Observr on October 24, 2008, 11:48:49 AM
They found the 5 key major compounds associated with human decomposition.
They found compounds associated with anaerobic decomposition -supporting a possible
deprived oxygen type of decompositional event.
Smothered with Chloroform sounds about right....

The compounds they found are released by the body rapidly after death. They do not speculate as to how long the compounds (or the body) were there after they were emitted.
Dr Michael Baden is on Fox news now- he says the hair in the trunk belongs to Caylee..
The DNA studies also show who the father is, but that info will not be released. hmmm


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mioyshi on October 24, 2008, 11:49:08 AM
Thank you , invision, for the welcome. And yes, swamp spiders can be intimidating for sure. I also belong to 'bigbend crimes", a site much like this one. They covered Judith Osteens case while it was fresh. A lot of nice folks there too.  It feels good to be among energies, that harbor the same intentions.  WE can speculate all we want, but, nothing will end this madnesss until we all know the truth.  I sincerely hope none of you have to ever go through this sort of happening. More so, I wish for Casey to be haunted to tell the truth, of what happened to Caylee.





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 11:49:36 AM
I could listen to Dr. Baden all day!  He makes Kobe look like an idiot, IMO.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 11:49:42 AM
LE has Caylee's DNA now...but when that stuff was sent for testing the report clearly shows that all they had to compare it to was hair on Caylee's hairbrush...which wasn't sufficient for an exact match.


I wouldnt' worry two minutes over any of what this report says.  They have ALL they need with no chance of acquittal.

Right and this is just the Body farm we have not seen the FBIs lab results..
Correct??

One of pages in the report shows up blue and it says FBI labs at the top.  Does everyone  elses show up blue.  Thought that was weird.

you may have accidentally hit page and clicked w/left mouse button- this will turn page blue

I thought I had done that also but went back and its still blue...lol...like read me this is important...weird!

try clicking again- trust me, none of them are blue :)

Ok I got it off...it said copy this page...lol!
e only reason I knew all that is because I  have done it to... said to myself oooooo look at the blue page- something important! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 11:50:05 AM
Okay, I'm trying to think logically here, and I can't understand how the chain of custody with the car could negate the results.

1)The hair shows signs of decomposition
2)The hair is microscopically similar to hair in Caylee's hairbrush
3)The mitochondrial DNA matches both Caylee and Casey
4)We know Casey isn't dead

What does chain of custody have to do with that proof? It's a hair sample matching a missing child, and the hair sample shows signs of decomposition. It doesn't matter who might have placed the hair in the trunk, it still shows the child is missing and likely deceased.

Baez and Anthonys want to put the blame on someone other than Casey.  Cindy says that someone could have put a body in the trunk of the car at the tow yard.  Maybe LE planted the hair.  They are reaching for anything at this point.


If I understand all of this correctly it would have to have been someone who is related to Casey and Cindy...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 11:50:09 AM
Doctor Baden....FBI found hair came from Caylee after she was dead...identity of father known but not being released...root indicates she was dead....chloroform has to be farther evaluated, but could be cause of death....


Father known?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 11:50:49 AM
The DNA studies also show who the father is, but that info will not be released. hmmm

hmmmm, that will definitely be "leaked" somehow ;-)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 11:51:38 AM
Here is a pretty informative site on decomoposition:  (some is graphic)

http://deathonline.net/decomposition/index.htm


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 11:51:49 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-dna-results-102408,0,7783945.story

DNA test results in Casey Anthony case released
Sarah Lundy

Sentinel Staff Writer

11:44 AM EDT, October 24, 2008

Prosecutors this morning released the forensic test results completed by FBI and Oak Ridge National Laboratory labs in connection with the case against Casey Anthony, the mother accused of killing her daughter Caylee Marie.

Investigators have not found Caylee's body, but Anthony has been indicted on a first-degree murder charge alleging the child is dead.

The FBI lab tested items found in the trunk of Anthony's Pontiac Sunfire, including a hair strand, pieces from a tire cover and the trunk liner.

Here are some of the findings:

* The root of the hair showed signs of decomposition. A comparison to hair taken from Caylee's brush and DNA taken from Anthony showed that neither the mother nor the daughter could be excluded as the source of the hair. * Pants, skirts and shirts taken from Anthony's home showed no signs of hair with decomposing roots. * Residues of chloroform were found on a tire cover in the trunk. * A hair fragment was found in the label on the handle of a shovel Anthony borrowed from a neighbor in mid-June, about the time Caylee is supposed to have disappeared. The hair was too small for microscopic comparison but DNA analysis found it did not belong to Casey Anthony or Caylee. * No fingerprints were found on the shovel.

Air samples and pieces of carpet from the trunk were sent Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee to determine whether there was signs of decomposition. The lab has been doing this type of research since 2002 and has developed the Decompositional Odor Analysis database.

Here are some of the results: * The test showed early decomposition products and five major compounds associated with human decomposition. * A portion of the total odor signature from the trunk "is consistent with a decompositional event that could be a human origin." * There appeared to "an unusually large concentration of chloroform -- far greater than what is typically seen in human decomposition." * However, the results do not rule out the "remote possibility" that a variety of products and materials -- items not in the trunk when vehicle was discovered -- could have affected the overall chemical signature.


Anthony, 22, is being held without bail in the Orange County Jail. She has insisted that her daughter was taken by a baby sitter who has not been found.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 11:51:54 AM
Doctor Baden....FBI found hair came from Caylee after she was dead...identity of father known but not being released...root indicates she was dead....chloroform has to be farther evaluated, but could be cause of death....


Father known?

That is what Dr.Baden said... I am gonna go read more and see if I can see where he got that...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 11:52:41 AM
Doctor Baden....FBI found hair came from Caylee after she was dead...identity of father known but not being released...root indicates she was dead....chloroform has to be farther evaluated, but could be cause of death....


Father known?

That is what Dr.Baden said... I am gonna go read more and see if I can see where he got that...


I can take a big guess....  I think many already know. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 11:52:49 AM
Okay, I'm trying to think logically here, and I can't understand how the chain of custody with the car could negate the results.

1)The hair shows signs of decomposition
2)The hair is microscopically similar to hair in Caylee's hairbrush
3)The mitochondrial DNA matches both Caylee and Casey
4)We know Casey isn't dead

What does chain of custody have to do with that proof? It's a hair sample matching a missing child, and the hair sample shows signs of decomposition. It doesn't matter who might have placed the hair in the trunk, it still shows the child is missing and likely deceased.

Baez and Anthonys want to put the blame on someone other than Casey.  Cindy says that someone could have put a body in the trunk of the car at the tow yard.  Maybe LE planted the hair.  They are reaching for anything at this point.

Oh, I see. I've got it now. LE killed Caylee and placed her decomposing body in Casey's car in order to frame her. It must have been done by one of Casey's many ex-lovers in LE as a way to get revenge on her. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Baez is obviously struggling to find anything he can use to cast doubt. Pffftttt!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 11:53:10 AM
The one thing the report keeps saying is the samples show all the evidence in early decomposition.  Does that mean that Caylee was only in the trunk a few days and not the 11 days some are saying?  Or does the body stop producing the things after the first couple of days?

The "leaks" we get and have gotten since end of August are NOT in this report.

This was just preliminary. 

The 11 days worth of decomp and all these chloroform recipe searches...all of that is not what we got today.  We probably won't see any of that until the very day that LE has to give it over to the defense. 



Some of the dates of evidence received is in late September so it has to be pretty recent.  I do see where it says more testing is being done on some of the evidence.

BINGO! And as long as the 'testing' is still being done there is nothing to release in discovery ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 11:54:38 AM
The one thing the report keeps saying is the samples show all the evidence in early decomposition.  Does that mean that Caylee was only in the trunk a few days and not the 11 days some are saying?  Or does the body stop producing the things after the first couple of days?

The "leaks" we get and have gotten since end of August are NOT in this report.

This was just preliminary. 

The 11 days worth of decomp and all these chloroform recipe searches...all of that is not what we got today.  We probably won't see any of that until the very day that LE has to give it over to the defense. 



Some of the dates of evidence received is in late September so it has to be pretty recent.  I do see where it says more testing is being done on some of the evidence.

BINGO! And as long as the 'testing' is still being done there is nothing to release in discovery ::MonkeyWink::


Exactly.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 11:55:02 AM
Like many of you, I just saw Dr. Baden. Well, I wonder about the family's reaction. The FBI has determined the hair is from Caylee, and from Caylee after death. They also know who the Father is, although that is not being released.
Chloroform was present in the air samples. It's a 34 page report.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 11:55:37 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-dna-results-102408,0,7783945.story

DNA test results in Casey Anthony case released
Sarah Lundy

Sentinel Staff Writer

11:44 AM EDT, October 24, 2008

Prosecutors this morning released the forensic test results completed by FBI and Oak Ridge National Laboratory labs in connection with the case against Casey Anthony, the mother accused of killing her daughter Caylee Marie.

Investigators have not found Caylee's body, but Anthony has been indicted on a first-degree murder charge alleging the child is dead.

The FBI lab tested items found in the trunk of Anthony's Pontiac Sunfire, including a hair strand, pieces from a tire cover and the trunk liner.

Here are some of the findings:

* The root of the hair showed signs of decomposition. A comparison to hair taken from Caylee's brush and DNA taken from Anthony showed that neither the mother nor the daughter could be excluded as the source of the hair. * Pants, skirts and shirts taken from Anthony's home showed no signs of hair with decomposing roots. * Residues of chloroform were found on a tire cover in the trunk. * A hair fragment was found in the label on the handle of a shovel Anthony borrowed from a neighbor in mid-June, about the time Caylee is supposed to have disappeared. The hair was too small for microscopic comparison but DNA analysis found it did not belong to Casey Anthony or Caylee. * No fingerprints were found on the shovel.

Air samples and pieces of carpet from the trunk were sent Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee to determine whether there was signs of decomposition. The lab has been doing this type of research since 2002 and has developed the Decompositional Odor Analysis database.

Here are some of the results: * The test showed early decomposition products and five major compounds associated with human decomposition. * A portion of the total odor signature from the trunk "is consistent with a decompositional event that could be a human origin." * There appeared to "an unusually large concentration of chloroform -- far greater than what is typically seen in human decomposition." * However, the results do not rule out the "remote possibility" that a variety of products and materials -- items not in the trunk when vehicle was discovered -- could have affected the overall chemical signature.


Anthony, 22, is being held without bail in the Orange County Jail. She has insisted that her daughter was taken by a baby sitter who has not been found.



Thanks Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 11:57:22 AM
After reading a few pages of the FBI report I understand why the defense wanted to stop testing.  There are several places they used up the specimen...therefore no further testing is available.  Hmmmmm.  I am seeing things in here that makes me a little nervous. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 11:57:31 AM
Maybe I am being optimisti, but with Kaitlin Aydell the only DNA we had was a little spot of her mucous in the truck...granted it was more definitive to be Kaitlins...the rest was largely circumstantial and he was found guilty...the jurors later told us that the DNA was not even the biggest thing that convinced them ScumoftheEarth Lewis was guilty...

Also.... as Sunny said, right up until trial alot of "testing"was still being done.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 11:58:41 AM
Doctor Baden....FBI found hair came from Caylee after she was dead...identity of father known but not being released...root indicates she was dead....chloroform has to be farther evaluated, but could be cause of death....


Father known?

That is what Dr.Baden said... I am gonna go read more and see if I can see where he got that...

Dr. Baden is probably basing this on the DNA released.  I'm sure he can tell much more than the lay person.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:59:04 AM
Why doesnt NG bring in Baden and get rid of Kobe.  I guess he has a contract with FOX but I thought Baden had been on NG a long time ago.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 11:59:35 AM
http://www.local6.com/news/17794859/detail.html

Scientists: Air Samples From Casey Anthony's Car Show Decomposition
Woman Charged With Murder In Daughter's Disappearance

POSTED: 10:55 am EDT October 24, 2008
UPDATED: 11:22 am EDT October 24, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Scientists said air samples from the car trunk of Casey Anthony, who is accused of killing her 3-year-old daughter Caylee, contain evidence of body decomposition.

Caylee disappeared in June but has not been found.

Authorities on Friday released a report from a Tennessee lab that found five compounds consistent with body decomposition. Tests found evidence of decomposition on a hair strand found in the trunk, described as "microscopically similar" to one found on Caylee's hair brush.

Caylee Anthony has pleaded not guilty in the death of her daughter.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 11:59:54 AM
How in the world could Cindy and George be furthering the suggestion that Caylee Marie is still alive.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 11:59:54 AM
After reading a few pages of the FBI report I understand why the defense wanted to stop testing.  There are several places they used up the specimen...therefore no further testing is available.  Hmmmmm.  I am seeing things in here that makes me a little nervous. 


If it were not for all the circumstantial evidence I think I might be a little more concerned too Lala's....hopefully I am not being blindly optimistic....I think the circumstantial evidence alone will harm her case greatly...JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 12:00:22 PM
the pizza tested did NOT produce evidence of maggots!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 12:00:55 PM
Doctor Baden....FBI found hair came from Caylee after she was dead...identity of father known but not being released...root indicates she was dead....chloroform has to be farther evaluated, but could be cause of death....


Father known?

That is what Dr.Baden said... I am gonna go read more and see if I can see where he got that...

Dr. Baden is probably basing this on the DNA released.  I'm sure he can tell much more than the lay person.

True...but where is he getting this? the identity of the father?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 12:01:02 PM
Good Morning All!

I read last night on another site that Casey took Tony to the airport early on 6/30 for a 10:00am flight. I thought it was that evening. Has the time been confirmed yet? I believe Casey used Tony's vehicle alot while he was gone. I know in Tony's interview with LE, he was to take them to the carwash that she used before she picked him back up. i hope they were able to find evidence.

Also, KCJackie, when you get here, Bless Your Heart, I know you asked at least half a dozen times about the Lexus calls. I tried last night to find some info for you & this is the best I found so far: I found on Topix where there were regular morning calls to (winter park imports dba lexus of orlando) And that GA did work there for a security company. What I don't understand is why if Casey was calling her Dad why she didn't just call his cell? So I'm not sure.

I also saw posted that several of the cell calls that Casey made were to physicians? I had not heard that ever! Does anyone know more about that?? They were checking to see if any of them were ob/gyn's.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can't wait for the FBI docs!  ::MonkeyDance::

Monken -Thank You for the info!  The calls to Lexus may be nothing.  I just find it odd that she was calling there - even after GA changed jobs.  Maybe if she had a friend in sales - she could have got a loaner car.  Lexus goes out of their way to keep the customer happy - IMO (from personal experience - they will bend over backwards to suck up to you).  She could have been acting interested in buying a car there - so she would be able to drive a loaner to test over a good period of time.  As far as physician calls - I haven't noticed any - except the ones to CA work (physicians office - not ob/gyn though). ::MonkeyConfused::  Thanks again, Monken!


You Welcome!!




Dr Baden on FOXNEWS NOw!!


And The loaner car idea is probably correct, she needed another vehicle, bad! i didn't know if you had noticed any DR. numbers in the cell calls. i wonder why that was being discussed?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 12:01:40 PM
Nothing released today isn't anything we didn't already know...what's the big deal?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 12:01:47 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 12:02:09 PM
You know, "hair strand" sounds to me like more than one or two hairs. I suspect the amount of hair in the "strand" could be evidence as well, since a live person would not normally lose hair in clumps.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 12:02:53 PM
Nothing released today isn't anything we didn't already know...what's the big deal?


I dont think it is a big deal to us, but to some who are not so closely following this case, it will be a big deal...JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 24, 2008, 12:02:57 PM
Quote
* The root of the hair showed signs of decomposition. A comparison to hair taken from Caylee's brush and DNA taken from Anthony showed that neither the mother nor the daughter could be excluded as the source of the hair
If the hair was either Caylee's or Casey's  AND showed signs of decomposition -- Casey is ALIVE -- THUS, THE HAIR MUSt BE CAYLEE's AND SHE IS DEAD.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 12:03:03 PM
That all sounds really scary!!!!  But just the fact that the car was cleaned so well and they know it should implicate George, right??????  Ok, I have talked to Des al long time on the phone, she is fine.  I had an email from Mrskub, she is fine.  Dolce is taking a breather for a few days, but she is fine. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 12:03:11 PM
I'm trying to anticipate Baez's defense. I can't think of anything he could come up with that would convince me of anything other than Casey was responsible for Caylee's death.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 12:04:09 PM
Quote
* The root of the hair showed signs of decomposition. A comparison to hair taken from Caylee's brush and DNA taken from Anthony showed that neither the mother nor the daughter could be excluded as the source of the hair
If the hair was either Caylee's or Casey's  AND showed signs of decomposition -- Casey is ALIVE -- THUS, THE HAIR MUSt BE CAYLEE's AND SHE IS DEAD.


EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 12:04:28 PM
http://www.local6.com/news/17794859/detail.html

Scientists: Air Samples From Casey Anthony's Car Show Decomposition
Woman Charged With Murder In Daughter's Disappearance

POSTED: 10:55 am EDT October 24, 2008
UPDATED: 11:22 am EDT October 24, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Scientists said air samples from the car trunk of Casey Anthony, who is accused of killing her 3-year-old daughter Caylee, contain evidence of body decomposition.

Caylee disappeared in June but has not been found.

Authorities on Friday released a report from a Tennessee lab that found five compounds consistent with body decomposition. Tests found evidence of decomposition on a hair strand found in the trunk, described as "microscopically similar" to one found on Caylee's hair brush.

Caylee Anthony has pleaded not guilty in the death of her daughter.

It may not be proof but ... strong circumstantial evidence.

When is the Judge's ruling in regards to the the defence's motion that all evidence from the trunk of Casey's vehicle be thrown out.

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mint_Julep on October 24, 2008, 12:05:30 PM
One of the hairs DID show signs of decomposition. 


Yes, that is how I am reading it also....in my opinion...this reports tells me this, in short form....

someone was deceased...in the trunk of that car......

George must believe there was a body in the car because he said (paraphrased) "the body in the car is not my granddaughters"!

I wonder if LE can get results from the FBI or the body farm over the phone? If they are not written down or somehow given to them in the form of a report, do they have to give the info to JB?



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 12:05:54 PM
Quote
* The root of the hair showed signs of decomposition. A comparison to hair taken from Caylee's brush and DNA taken from Anthony showed that neither the mother nor the daughter could be excluded as the source of the hair
If the hair was either Caylee's or Casey's  AND showed signs of decomposition -- Casey is ALIVE -- THUS, THE HAIR MUSt BE CAYLEE's AND SHE IS DEAD.

Hey - didn't I just say that?  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 12:06:13 PM
http://www.wesh.com/breakingnews/index.html

DNA Results Released
October 24, 2008 - No Responses
Updated at 11:45 a.m. Friday, Oct. 24: DNA results were released this morning in the Casey Anthony case. It is the latest release of evidence in the case. The information includes a report from the so-called Body Farm at the University of Tennessee as well as reports on other forensic evidence found in Casey’s car trunk and home.



http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1024/17794777.pdf

Among the findings:

/ Analysis of air samples from Casey’s trunk indicates decomposition “that could be of human origin” and have “an unusually large concentration of chloroform.” The report, from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, do not indicate animal decomposition. Several of the compounds in the air samples are associated with a type of decomposition found when someone is deprived of oxygen.

/ A hair found on the left side of Casey’s trunk liner “exhibits characteristics of apparent decomposition” and “is microscopically similar” to a hair from a hairbrush belonging to Caylee. DNA tests, however, could not say whether the hair came from Casey Anthony or Caylee Anthony.

/ Parts of Casey’s trunk liner and spare tire cover shows “residues of chloroform.”

/ Other hair found in the trunk did not exhibit decomposition.

/ No hair showing apparent decomposition was found on pants and skirts. Although it appears this part of the report refers to Casey’s clothes, it does not specifically say.

/ Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 12:06:18 PM
You know, "hair strand" sounds to me like more than one or two hairs. I suspect the amount of hair in the "strand" could be evidence as well, since a live person would not normally lose hair in clumps.

I am pretty sure
strand = single hair


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SweetMorgan on October 24, 2008, 12:08:22 PM
This is a dumb question but - - - Casey said that the babysitter took Caylee and gave her a 30 day script as to what say.  OK, but what purpose was that to have severed and what about after the 30 days were up?  Did Casey ever speculate on that? Was this also something just left in limbo?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 24, 2008, 12:08:28 PM
Quote
* The root of the hair showed signs of decomposition. A comparison to hair taken from Caylee's brush and DNA taken from Anthony showed that neither the mother nor the daughter could be excluded as the source of the hair
If the hair was either Caylee's or Casey's  AND showed signs of decomposition -- Casey is ALIVE -- THUS, THE HAIR MUSt BE CAYLEE's AND SHE IS DEAD.

Hey - didn't I just say that?  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
But I said it better! (J/K -- I jumped in w/o reading back! -- sorry!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 12:08:31 PM
http://www.wesh.com/breakingnews/index.html

DNA Results Released
October 24, 2008 - No Responses
Updated at 11:45 a.m. Friday, Oct. 24: DNA results were released this morning in the Casey Anthony case. It is the latest release of evidence in the case. The information includes a report from the so-called Body Farm at the University of Tennessee as well as reports on other forensic evidence found in Casey’s car trunk and home.



http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1024/17794777.pdf

Among the findings:

/ Analysis of air samples from Casey’s trunk indicates decomposition “that could be of human origin” and have “an unusually large concentration of chloroform.” The report, from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, do not indicate animal decomposition. Several of the compounds in the air samples are associated with a type of decomposition found when someone is deprived of oxygen.

/ A hair found on the left side of Casey’s trunk liner “exhibits characteristics of apparent decomposition” and “is microscopically similar” to a hair from a hairbrush belonging to Caylee. DNA tests, however, could not say whether the hair came from Casey Anthony or Caylee Anthony.

/ Parts of Casey’s trunk liner and spare tire cover shows “residues of chloroform.”

/ Other hair found in the trunk did not exhibit decomposition.

/ No hair showing apparent decomposition was found on pants and skirts. Although it appears this part of the report refers to Casey’s clothes, it does not specifically say.

/ Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.


Hmm.....I wonder what that means about the "other" hair in the trunk.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 12:09:23 PM
Quote
* The root of the hair showed signs of decomposition. A comparison to hair taken from Caylee's brush and DNA taken from Anthony showed that neither the mother nor the daughter could be excluded as the source of the hair
If the hair was either Caylee's or Casey's  AND showed signs of decomposition -- Casey is ALIVE -- THUS, THE HAIR MUSt BE CAYLEE's AND SHE IS DEAD.

Hey - didn't I just say that?  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
But I said it better! (J/K -- I jumped in w/o reading back! -- sorry!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::)

I'm just givin' you a hard time cause it's Friday and I can.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 24, 2008, 12:09:59 PM
That all sounds really scary!!!!  But just the fact that the car was cleaned so well and they know it should implicate George, right??????  Ok, I have talked to Des al long time on the phone, she is fine.  I had an email from Mrskub, she is fine.  Dolce is taking a breather for a few days, but she is fine. 

Thank you A-1 I have been worried about all of them so kind to pass this on!!

And how are you my friend?? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 12:10:12 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

I don't think Lee is the father.
I believe they have had the father's DNA for a long time due to the DNA report Jesse supposedly handed over from the paternity test. I don't think it would have taken too much detail to see if the father was related- and I can't see that big a bombshell being kept a secret for so long


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 12:10:13 PM
You know, "hair strand" sounds to me like more than one or two hairs. I suspect the amount of hair in the "strand" could be evidence as well, since a live person would not normally lose hair in clumps.

I am pretty sure
strand = single hair

Well poop! I was enjoying my speculating, LOL.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 12:10:28 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

If I were the father, and knew I was the father, and if I also knew that FBI results were coming back that would confirm that, and if I had assisted in any way of covering this up or my fatherhood being established would be an embarrassment, I would have been laying low and not speaking to anyone.

Where's Lee been lately?

Actually, I think it more likely that Casey doesn't know who Daddy is, but just thinking out loud.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 12:10:48 PM
That all sounds really scary!!!!  But just the fact that the car was cleaned so well and they know it should implicate George, right??????  Ok, I have talked to Des al long time on the phone, she is fine.  I had an email from Mrskub, she is fine.  Dolce is taking a breather for a few days, but she is fine. 

Thank you A-1 I have been worried about all of them so kind to pass this on!!

And how are you my friend?? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Im good, thank you and you????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 12:11:01 PM
One of the hairs DID show signs of decomposition. 


Yes, that is how I am reading it also....in my opinion...this reports tells me this, in short form....

someone was deceased...in the trunk of that car......

George must believe there was a body in the car because he said (paraphrased) "the body in the car is not my granddaughters"!

I wonder if LE can get results from the FBI or the body farm over the phone? If they are not written down or somehow given to them in the form of a report, do they have to give the info to JB?



I'm sure they would have to be in report form.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 12:12:19 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

If I were the father, and knew I was the father, and if I also knew that FBI results were coming back that would confirm that, and if I had assisted in any way of covering this up or my fatherhood being established would be an embarrassment, I would have been laying low and not speaking to anyone.

Where's Lee been lately?

Actually, I think it more likely that Casey doesn't know who Daddy is, but just thinking out loud.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Come  out, come out, wherever you are, Lee!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 24, 2008, 12:12:36 PM
That all sounds really scary!!!!  But just the fact that the car was cleaned so well and they know it should implicate George, right??????  Ok, I have talked to Des al long time on the phone, she is fine.  I had an email from Mrskub, she is fine.  Dolce is taking a breather for a few days, but she is fine. 

Thank you A-1 I have been worried about all of them so kind to pass this on!!

And how are you my friend?? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Im good, thank you and you????

Doing just fine thanks besides I broke my foot lol ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 12:12:41 PM
That all sounds really scary!!!!  But just the fact that the car was cleaned so well and they know it should implicate George, right??????  Ok, I have talked to Des al long time on the phone, she is fine.  I had an email from Mrskub, she is fine.  Dolce is taking a breather for a few days, but she is fine. 

I'm glad everyone is doing well, and yes.. I have to wonder about the trunk being so clean. It's a wonder they didn't find more evidence .. or more hair anyway. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 12:12:53 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

I don't think Lee is the father.
I believe they have had the father's DNA for a long time due to the DNA report Jesse supposedly handed over from the paternity test. I don't think it would have taken too much detail to see if the father was related- and I can't see that big a bombshell being kept a secret for so long

Well it hasn't really been a secret, LP said it on NG early on.  Yes they have Jesse's dna but he is NOT the father.   So if it is not Lee or George, BUT they know who it is, then they have dna from someone else - who is that ?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 12:13:21 PM
That all sounds really scary!!!!  But just the fact that the car was cleaned so well and they know it should implicate George, right??????  Ok, I have talked to Des al long time on the phone, she is fine.  I had an email from Mrskub, she is fine.  Dolce is taking a breather for a few days, but she is fine. 

Thank you A-1 I have been worried about all of them so kind to pass this on!!

And how are you my friend?? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Im good, thank you and you????

Doing just fine thanks besides I broke my foot lol ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

Oh no Lisa!  Are you ok?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 12:14:03 PM
That all sounds really scary!!!!  But just the fact that the car was cleaned so well and they know it should implicate George, right??????  Ok, I have talked to Des al long time on the phone, she is fine.  I had an email from Mrskub, she is fine.  Dolce is taking a breather for a few days, but she is fine. 

Thank you A-1 I have been worried about all of them so kind to pass this on!!

And how are you my friend?? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Im good, thank you and you????

Doing just fine thanks besides I broke my foot lol ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::
You really broke your foot?????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 12:14:18 PM
You know, "hair strand" sounds to me like more than one or two hairs. I suspect the amount of hair in the "strand" could be evidence as well, since a live person would not normally lose hair in clumps.

I am pretty sure
strand = single hair

Well poop! I was enjoying my speculating, LOL.

sorry to rein you back in BTgirl
feel free to return the favor when I stray too :)
this case is so confusing my mind goes a mile a minute in 80 wrong directions at once


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 12:14:32 PM

Doing just fine thanks besides I broke my foot lol ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::
  ::MonkeyShocked::  OMG!!  This may be a dumb question, but are you ok??   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 24, 2008, 12:15:04 PM
That all sounds really scary!!!!  But just the fact that the car was cleaned so well and they know it should implicate George, right??????  Ok, I have talked to Des al long time on the phone, she is fine.  I had an email from Mrskub, she is fine.  Dolce is taking a breather for a few days, but she is fine. 

Thank you A-1 I have been worried about all of them so kind to pass this on!!

And how are you my friend?? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Im good, thank you and you????

Doing just fine thanks besides I broke my foot lol ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

Oh no Lisa!  Are you ok?

Yes thanks it will heal got to go to the foot Dr Tues till them I am in a big blue sexy boot lmao


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 24, 2008, 12:15:33 PM
That all sounds really scary!!!!  But just the fact that the car was cleaned so well and they know it should implicate George, right??????  Ok, I have talked to Des al long time on the phone, she is fine.  I had an email from Mrskub, she is fine.  Dolce is taking a breather for a few days, but she is fine. 

Thank you A-1 I have been worried about all of them so kind to pass this on!!

And how are you my friend?? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Im good, thank you and you????

Doing just fine thanks besides I broke my foot lol ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::
You really broke your foot?????

Yes really lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 12:15:49 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

I don't think Lee is the father.
I believe they have had the father's DNA for a long time due to the DNA report Jesse supposedly handed over from the paternity test. I don't think it would have taken too much detail to see if the father was related- and I can't see that big a bombshell being kept a secret for so long


It hasn't been a secret.  Padilla who pulled out when testing came back is confident Lee is the father.  He may have more access than most, and preliminary DNA will tell you if the father is related to the mother.  They had to subpoena Lee's DNA because he refused to take the test.  If Baden knows who the father is by this report, then it can be inferred that he knows a family member, a brother perhaps, is a parent as well as Casey. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 12:15:52 PM
I bet people that have been questioned also agreed to be swabbed for tests.  I dont think Lee is the father.  Also can you imagine the story they are getting together on who and how Caylee ended up in the trunk.  It makes me sick.  No one has said they had Caseys car after June 16th. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Western Observr on October 24, 2008, 12:16:07 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

I don't think Lee is the father.
I believe they have had the father's DNA for a long time due to the DNA report Jesse supposedly handed over from the paternity test. I don't think it would have taken too much detail to see if the father was related- and I can't see that big a bombshell being kept a secret for so long

Well it hasn't really been a secret, LP said it on NG early on.  Yes they have Jesse's dna but he is NOT the father.   So if it is not Lee or George, BUT they know who it is, then they have dna from someone else - who is that ?

I dunno but the suspense is killing me.  Who else is likely to have submitted DNA?
I have already emailed NG to suggest this should be the first question she ask tonight....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 12:16:46 PM
That all sounds really scary!!!!  But just the fact that the car was cleaned so well and they know it should implicate George, right??????  Ok, I have talked to Des al long time on the phone, she is fine.  I had an email from Mrskub, she is fine.  Dolce is taking a breather for a few days, but she is fine. 

Thank you A-1 I have been worried about all of them so kind to pass this on!!

And how are you my friend?? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Im good, thank you and you????

Doing just fine thanks besides I broke my foot lol ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

Oh no Lisa!  Are you ok?

Yes thanks it will heal got to go to the foot Dr Tues till them I am in a big blue sexy boot lmao
Bless your heart er foot!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 12:17:07 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

I don't think Lee is the father.
I believe they have had the father's DNA for a long time due to the DNA report Jesse supposedly handed over from the paternity test. I don't think it would have taken too much detail to see if the father was related- and I can't see that big a bombshell being kept a secret for so long


It hasn't been a secret.  Padilla who pulled out when testing came back is confident Lee is the father.  He may have more access than most, and preliminary DNA will tell you if the father is related to the mother.  They had to subpoena Lee's DNA because he refused to take the test.  If Baden knows who the father is by this report, then it can be inferred that he knows a family member, a brother perhaps, is a parent as well as Casey. 

Very well said!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 12:18:35 PM
I bet people that have been questioned also agreed to be swabbed for tests.  I dont think Lee is the father.  Also can you imagine the story they are getting together on who and how Caylee ended up in the trunk.  It makes me sick.  No one has said they had Caseys car after June 16th. 

That's a good point Kat and a real possibility - well my personal "second" choice would have to be JP Chatt..... cause the kid looks just like him !!
But I put a lot of faith in what LP says, if he says it's Lee, and nobody is jumping up to claim otherwise, I believe that's probably true. 

Interesting to note that HH's friend told her it is a family member but not Lee or George..... hmmmmm....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 12:19:53 PM
After reading a few pages of the FBI report I understand why the defense wanted to stop testing.  There are several places they used up the specimen...therefore no further testing is available.  Hmmmmm.  I am seeing things in here that makes me a little nervous. 


If it were not for all the circumstantial evidence I think I might be a little more concerned too Lala's....hopefully I am not being blindly optimistic....I think the circumstantial evidence alone will harm her case greatly...JMO

No, no.  I didn't mean the evidence isn't good, I just meant I know why Baez was wanting to prevent further testing.  I think the main contention here is going to be the hair sample evidence since the samples were limited.  I am still reading and thinking about it all.  So far there is ample evidence to prove their point.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 12:21:07 PM
After reading a few pages of the FBI report I understand why the defense wanted to stop testing.  There are several places they used up the specimen...therefore no further testing is available.  Hmmmmm.  I am seeing things in here that makes me a little nervous. 


If it were not for all the circumstantial evidence I think I might be a little more concerned too Lala's....hopefully I am not being blindly optimistic....I think the circumstantial evidence alone will harm her case greatly...JMO

No, no.  I didn't mean the evidence isn't good, I just meant I know why Baez was wanting to prevent further testing.  I think the main contention here is going to be the hair sample evidence since the samples were limited.  I am still reading and thinking about it all.  So far there is ample evidence to prove their point.


Oh, I gotcha....sorrry....... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: d in texas on October 24, 2008, 12:21:31 PM
May just me but the disturbing thing that I kept reading was all the evidence pointed to decomposition but the HIGH levels of chloroform present --along with the fact they kept saying oxygen deprived characteristics?  does this mean she was strangled or I don't even want to repeat what is going through my head right now.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 12:21:44 PM
I bet people that have been questioned also agreed to be swabbed for tests.  I dont think Lee is the father.  Also can you imagine the story they are getting together on who and how Caylee ended up in the trunk.  It makes me sick.  No one has said they had Caseys car after June 16th. 

That's a good point Kat and a real possibility - well my personal "second" choice would have to be JP Chatt..... cause the kid looks just like him !!
But I put a lot of faith in what LP says, if he says it's Lee, and nobody is jumping up to claim otherwise, I believe that's probably true. 

Interesting to note that HH's friend told her it is a family member but not Lee or George..... hmmmmm....

My vote is for Lee!  It's sure odd how he has been out of the picture lately.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 12:22:27 PM
http://www.wesh.com/breakingnews/index.html

DNA Results Released
October 24, 2008 - No Responses
Updated at 11:45 a.m. Friday, Oct. 24: DNA results were released this morning in the Casey Anthony case. It is the latest release of evidence in the case. The information includes a report from the so-called Body Farm at the University of Tennessee as well as reports on other forensic evidence found in Casey’s car trunk and home.



http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1024/17794777.pdf

Among the findings:

/ Analysis of air samples from Casey’s trunk indicates decomposition “that could be of human origin” and have “an unusually large concentration of chloroform.” The report, from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, do not indicate animal decomposition. Several of the compounds in the air samples are associated with a type of decomposition found when someone is deprived of oxygen.

/ A hair found on the left side of Casey’s trunk liner “exhibits characteristics of  apparent decomposition” and “is microscopically similar” to a hair from a hairbrush belonging to Caylee. DNA tests, however, could not say whether the hair came from Casey Anthony or Caylee Anthony.

/ Parts of Casey’s trunk liner and spare tire cover shows “residues of chloroform.”

/ Other hair found in the trunk did not exhibit decomposition.

/ No hair showing apparent decomposition was found on pants and skirts. Although it appears this part of the report refers to Casey’s clothes, it does not specifically say.

/ Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.


Hmm.....I wonder what that means about the "other" hair in the trunk.

I'm just red marking what I think Baez will red mark. The "characteristics of apparent decomposition" phrase bothers me the most. In the absense of a body, establishing death will hinge on that. I know that it probably never happens, but I wish the report had said it showed conclusively that death had occured. Probably just semantics, but I can wish!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 12:23:12 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

I don't think Lee is the father.
I believe they have had the father's DNA for a long time due to the DNA report Jesse supposedly handed over from the paternity test. I don't think it would have taken too much detail to see if the father was related- and I can't see that big a bombshell being kept a secret for so long

Well it hasn't really been a secret, LP said it on NG early on.  Yes they have Jesse's dna but he is NOT the father.   So if it is not Lee or George, BUT they know who it is, then they have dna from someone else - who is that ?

I like LP, especially the work he's doing w/ TES but feel like he comes across as knowing a lot more than he really does. He seems to make his speculations sound like facts. JMO

Cindy stated that they had gone to do some legal guardian stuff for Caylee. The attorney asked about the father- and a name was brought up then. There also has been a few others speculated- J. Ortiz - etc. It is possible that law enforcement took the most logical name and approached whomever (or the family) of whomever to confirm it, as they should have had the paternity test results from Jesse showing the DNA from the bio father.  JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 12:23:44 PM
I bet people that have been questioned also agreed to be swabbed for tests.  I dont think Lee is the father.  Also can you imagine the story they are getting together on who and how Caylee ended up in the trunk.  It makes me sick.  No one has said they had Caseys car after June 16th. 

That's a good point Kat and a real possibility - well my personal "second" choice would have to be JP Chatt..... cause the kid looks just like him !!
But I put a lot of faith in what LP says, if he says it's Lee, and nobody is jumping up to claim otherwise, I believe that's probably true. 

Interesting to note that HH's friend told her it is a family member but not Lee or George..... hmmmmm....

My vote is for Lee!  It's sure odd how he has been out of the picture lately.


I would venture to say that when the DNA test was forced upon him, he got awfully quiet.  If Baden can infer he knows who the father is reading this release, it says a lot. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 12:23:46 PM
http://www.wesh.com/breakingnews/index.html

DNA Results Released
October 24, 2008 - No Responses
Updated at 11:45 a.m. Friday, Oct. 24: DNA results were released this morning in the Casey Anthony case. It is the latest release of evidence in the case. The information includes a report from the so-called Body Farm at the University of Tennessee as well as reports on other forensic evidence found in Casey’s car trunk and home.



http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1024/17794777.pdf

Among the findings:

/ Analysis of air samples from Casey’s trunk indicates decomposition “that could be of human origin” and have “an unusually large concentration of chloroform.” The report, from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, do not indicate animal decomposition. Several of the compounds in the air samples are associated with a type of decomposition found when someone is deprived of oxygen.

/ A hair found on the left side of Casey’s trunk liner “exhibits characteristics of  apparent decomposition” and “is microscopically similar” to a hair from a hairbrush belonging to Caylee. DNA tests, however, could not say whether the hair came from Casey Anthony or Caylee Anthony.

/ Parts of Casey’s trunk liner and spare tire cover shows “residues of chloroform.”

/ Other hair found in the trunk did not exhibit decomposition.

/ No hair showing apparent decomposition was found on pants and skirts. Although it appears this part of the report refers to Casey’s clothes, it does not specifically say.

/ Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.


Hmm.....I wonder what that means about the "other" hair in the trunk.

I'm just red marking what I think Baez will red mark. The "characteristics of apparent decomposition" phrase bothers me the most. In the absense of a body, establishing death will hinge on that. I know that it probably never happens, but I wish the report had said it showed conclusively that death had occured. Probably just semantics, but I can wish!

CBB - there are samples taken from different areas of the trunk, from Casey's closet and from the shovel.  This is just one of the reports on one area of the trunk. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: West Coast Monkey on October 24, 2008, 12:24:50 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

I don't think Lee is the father.
I believe they have had the father's DNA for a long time due to the DNA report Jesse supposedly handed over from the paternity test. I don't think it would have taken too much detail to see if the father was related- and I can't see that big a bombshell being kept a secret for so long

Well it hasn't really been a secret, LP said it on NG early on.  Yes they have Jesse's dna but he is NOT the father.   So if it is not Lee or George, BUT they know who it is, then they have dna from someone else - who is that ?

For some reason, I thought they had gotten the blood of Jesus Ortiz, the young man who died in the car crash and was being pointed at for being the potential "baby daddy", for comparison.  I seem to recall they had that available from the coroners office, autosy, or something like that due to the car accident he was in.  Or was I just dreaming that?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 12:25:48 PM
I'm not sure that I remember this correctly, but someone stated prior that with it stated that the hair was similar to Casey and Caylee, the father had to be a immidiate relative.
I know it was something to this affect.  Maybe Klaas remembers.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 12:27:19 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

I don't think Lee is the father.
I believe they have had the father's DNA for a long time due to the DNA report Jesse supposedly handed over from the paternity test. I don't think it would have taken too much detail to see if the father was related- and I can't see that big a bombshell being kept a secret for so long

Well it hasn't really been a secret, LP said it on NG early on.  Yes they have Jesse's dna but he is NOT the father.   So if it is not Lee or George, BUT they know who it is, then they have dna from someone else - who is that ?

For some reason, I thought they had gotten the blood of Jesus Ortiz, the young man who died in the car crash and was being pointed at for being the potential "baby daddy", for comparison.  I seem to recall they had that available from the coroners office, autosy, or something like that due to the car accident he was in.  Or was I just dreaming that?  ::MonkeyConfused::

That is true.  The ME still had some of Jesus' blood that could be tested.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mint_Julep on October 24, 2008, 12:27:58 PM
One of the hairs DID show signs of decomposition. 


Yes, that is how I am reading it also....in my opinion...this reports tells me this, in short form....

someone was deceased...in the trunk of that car......

George must believe there was a body in the car because he said (paraphrased) "the body in the car is not my granddaughters"!

I wonder if LE can get results from the FBI or the body farm over the phone? If they are not written down or somehow given to them in the form of a report, do they have to give the info to JB?



I'm sure they would have to be in report form.

That's what I thought. Could LE delay a written report on purpose to give them more time for any additional testing? I know, my mind works in peculiar ways.  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: IMissThirdGrade on October 24, 2008, 12:28:07 PM
Did Baden infer HE knew who the father was or that LE knows?

I thought I understood him to say that LE knows.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 12:28:25 PM
http://www.wesh.com/breakingnews/index.html

DNA Results Released
October 24, 2008 - No Responses
Updated at 11:45 a.m. Friday, Oct. 24: DNA results were released this morning in the Casey Anthony case. It is the latest release of evidence in the case. The information includes a report from the so-called Body Farm at the University of Tennessee as well as reports on other forensic evidence found in Casey’s car trunk and home.



http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1024/17794777.pdf

Among the findings:

/ Analysis of air samples from Casey’s trunk indicates decomposition “that could be of human origin” and have “an unusually large concentration of chloroform.” The report, from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, do not indicate animal decomposition. Several of the compounds in the air samples are associated with a type of decomposition found when someone is deprived of oxygen.

/ A hair found on the left side of Casey’s trunk liner “exhibits characteristics of  apparent decomposition” and “is microscopically similar” to a hair from a hairbrush belonging to Caylee. DNA tests, however, could not say whether the hair came from Casey Anthony or Caylee Anthony.

/ Parts of Casey’s trunk liner and spare tire cover shows “residues of chloroform.”

/ Other hair found in the trunk did not exhibit decomposition.

/ No hair showing apparent decomposition was found on pants and skirts. Although it appears this part of the report refers to Casey’s clothes, it does not specifically say.

/ Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.


Hmm.....I wonder what that means about the "other" hair in the trunk.

I'm just red marking what I think Baez will red mark. The "characteristics of apparent decomposition" phrase bothers me the most. In the absense of a body, establishing death will hinge on that. I know that it probably never happens, but I wish the report had said it showed conclusively that death had occured. Probably just semantics, but I can wish!

That is what I call "tech speak".  They never say definite unless there is overwhelming evidence to the fact.  Apparent means it was there.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 12:28:28 PM
[quote author=kerryjean1 link=topic=3804.msg514258#msg514258

I like LP, especially the work he's doing w/ TES but feel like he comes across as knowing a lot more than he really does. He seems to make his speculations sound like facts. JMO

Cindy stated that they had gone to do some legal guardian stuff for Caylee. The attorney asked about the father- and a name was brought up then. There also has been a few others speculated- J. Ortiz - etc. It is possible that law enforcement took the most logical name and approached whomever (or the family) of whomever to confirm it, as they should have had the paternity test results from Jesse showing the DNA from the bio father.  JMO
[/quote]

Fair enough - however, there is a REASON Lee has refused a dna test and also there is a REASON that Cindy-mom has not lashed out at the media about rumors that her son has been bonking her daughter.  IMO, that reason is because there is some truth to it all...... JMO :-)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 12:28:34 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

I think the defence could also make a case if it is proven that Lee Anthony is the father of Caylee Marie.

However ... Cindy and George willingly took a DNA test sometime in the week of October 9th and ... Lee's DNA was taken later after a search warrant was obtained ... consider the father's DNA is required to determine paternity ...  I still cannot comprehend why Leonard Padilla was speculating in the beginning of September that Lee Anthony was the father.

Then when you consider that ... according to this report ... it was Mitochondrial DNA testing that was conducted on the strands of hair ... a type of testing that has everything to do with maternal not ... paternal.

HELP!!!

Janet

+++++++

Casey Anthony's Father To Testify Against Her In Front Of Grand Jury
POSTED: 5:56 pm EDT October 9, 2008
UPDATED: 6:29 pm EDT October 9, 2008


George and Cindy Anthony voluntarily gave up DNA samples this week so investigators could scientifically exclude either of them as the source of the hair and stain in Casey's trunk, but investigators had to get a search warrant to get Casey's brother Lee to submit to a DNA test. He also has refused to take a lie detector test for the FBI.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17680298/detail.html


New Twist In Casey Anthony Case
Thursday, September 4, 2008
Brother may be tied to case
by Rozzie Franco and Nada Taha, 540 WFLA/FNN


ORLANDO, FLA. --   The latest twist in the Casey Anthony case comes from the man who at one point gave her a “get out of jail free” card and may tie her brother, Lee Anthony, into the saga ...

Padilla said that officials ruled it was Caylee’s hair just by a process of elimination because the hair had a death ring around it and they know Casey is alive. The fact that the DNA is identical has something to do with who the father is, Padilla said.

“Would the DNA from a child resulting from a union from Lee and Casey have basically the same characteristics? Making the preliminary DNA check not definitive as to who the hair samples are from,” he said.

http://www.540wfla.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=227698&article=4189759


Mitochondrial DNA:

Within the cell cytoplasm there are organelles called mitochondria. The mictochondria contain mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) which is the type of DNA analyzed in order to identify deceased remains.  Mitochondrial DNA is inherited from the mother, not from the father.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/info/info_1337.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Western Observr on October 24, 2008, 12:29:31 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

I don't think Lee is the father.
I believe they have had the father's DNA for a long time due to the DNA report Jesse supposedly handed over from the paternity test. I don't think it would have taken too much detail to see if the father was related- and I can't see that big a bombshell being kept a secret for so long

Well it hasn't really been a secret, LP said it on NG early on.  Yes they have Jesse's dna but he is NOT the father.   So if it is not Lee or George, BUT they know who it is, then they have dna from someone else - who is that ?

I like LP, especially the work he's doing w/ TES but feel like he comes across as knowing a lot more than he really does. He seems to make his speculations sound like facts. JMO

Cindy stated that they had gone to do some legal guardian stuff for Caylee. The attorney asked about the father- and a name was brought up then. There also has been a few others speculated- J. Ortiz - etc. It is possible that law enforcement took the most logical name and approached whomever (or the family) of whomever to confirm it, as they should have had the paternity test results from Jesse showing the DNA from the bio father.  JMO

When Jesse submitted his DNA for testing all the test showed was that he was not the father- there would be no way of finding out who was, just that it was not him.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 12:29:37 PM
Did Baden infer HE knew who the father was or that LE knows?

I thought I understood him to say that LE knows.

If he was responding about the release, and knows from the report who the father is, then he can assume LE knows as well. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: bikerbev on October 24, 2008, 12:30:29 PM
I'm reading the FBI report and noticed under the mtDNA that one of the observations of the DNA is Hispanic. If I understand this correctly, that would mean that along the maternal line there would be someone in grandma CA's line who was hispanic.  And she hates hispanics??  Hmmmm......


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mint_Julep on October 24, 2008, 12:30:44 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

I don't think Lee is the father.
I believe they have had the father's DNA for a long time due to the DNA report Jesse supposedly handed over from the paternity test. I don't think it would have taken too much detail to see if the father was related- and I can't see that big a bombshell being kept a secret for so long

Well it hasn't really been a secret, LP said it on NG early on.  Yes they have Jesse's dna but he is NOT the father.   So if it is not Lee or George, BUT they know who it is, then they have dna from someone else - who is that ?

LE did get DNA from the young man that died in a car wreck. Also, they may have requested DNA from many of KC's "very good friends".



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 12:31:14 PM
[quote author=kerryjean1 link=topic=3804.msg514258#msg514258

I like LP, especially the work he's doing w/ TES but feel like he comes across as knowing a lot more than he really does. He seems to make his speculations sound like facts. JMO

Cindy stated that they had gone to do some legal guardian stuff for Caylee. The attorney asked about the father- and a name was brought up then. There also has been a few others speculated- J. Ortiz - etc. It is possible that law enforcement took the most logical name and approached whomever (or the family) of whomever to confirm it, as they should have had the paternity test results from Jesse showing the DNA from the bio father.  JMO

Fair enough - however, there is a REASON Lee has refused a dna test and also there is a REASON that Cindy-mom has not lashed out at the media about rumors that her son has been bonking her daughter.  IMO, that reason is because there is some truth to it all...... JMO :-)
[/quote]

Exactly!  I'm sure Cindy and George would be screaming that Lee wasn't the father. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 12:31:28 PM
On page 21 it says that 80% is consistent with a decompositional event.  There was a dead decomposing body in the trunk...not just pizza which can not give off the compounds or whatever to indicate dead decaying flesh.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 12:31:49 PM
http://www.wesh.com/breakingnews/index.html

DNA Results Released
October 24, 2008 - No Responses
Updated at 11:45 a.m. Friday, Oct. 24: DNA results were released this morning in the Casey Anthony case. It is the latest release of evidence in the case. The information includes a report from the so-called Body Farm at the University of Tennessee as well as reports on other forensic evidence found in Casey’s car trunk and home.



http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1024/17794777.pdf

Among the findings:

/ Analysis of air samples from Casey’s trunk indicates decomposition “that could be of human origin” and have “an unusually large concentration of chloroform.” The report, from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, do not indicate animal decomposition. Several of the compounds in the air samples are associated with a type of decomposition found when someone is deprived of oxygen.

/ A hair found on the left side of Casey’s trunk liner “exhibits characteristics of  apparent decomposition” and “is microscopically similar” to a hair from a hairbrush belonging to Caylee. DNA tests, however, could not say whether the hair came from Casey Anthony or Caylee Anthony.

/ Parts of Casey’s trunk liner and spare tire cover shows “residues of chloroform.”

/ Other hair found in the trunk did not exhibit decomposition.

/ No hair showing apparent decomposition was found on pants and skirts. Although it appears this part of the report refers to Casey’s clothes, it does not specifically say.

/ Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.


Hmm.....I wonder what that means about the "other" hair in the trunk.

I'm just red marking what I think Baez will red mark. The "characteristics of apparent decomposition" phrase bothers me the most. In the absense of a body, establishing death will hinge on that. I know that it probably never happens, but I wish the report had said it showed conclusively that death had occured. Probably just semantics, but I can wish!

That is what I call "tech speak".  They never say definite unless there is overwhelming evidence to the fact.  Apparent means it was there.

I agree Lala's...... and we can't forget that we don't have the "maggot evidence " yet.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 12:32:17 PM
After reading a few pages of the FBI report I understand why the defense wanted to stop testing.  There are several places they used up the specimen...therefore no further testing is available.  Hmmmmm.  I am seeing things in here that makes me a little nervous. 


If it were not for all the circumstantial evidence I think I might be a little more concerned too Lala's....hopefully I am not being blindly optimistic....I think the circumstantial evidence alone will harm her case greatly...JMO

No, no.  I didn't mean the evidence isn't good, I just meant I know why Baez was wanting to prevent further testing.  I think the main contention here is going to be the hair sample evidence since the samples were limited.  I am still reading and thinking about it all.  So far there is ample evidence to prove their point.

Baez will attempt to exclude any tests that he was not given equal opportunity to have independently tested, IMO. If the sample would have to be consumed for one test, he will not have the option to have his own expert argue his own test results.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: West Coast Monkey on October 24, 2008, 12:33:24 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

I don't think Lee is the father.
I believe they have had the father's DNA for a long time due to the DNA report Jesse supposedly handed over from the paternity test. I don't think it would have taken too much detail to see if the father was related- and I can't see that big a bombshell being kept a secret for so long

Well it hasn't really been a secret, LP said it on NG early on.  Yes they have Jesse's dna but he is NOT the father.   So if it is not Lee or George, BUT they know who it is, then they have dna from someone else - who is that ?

I like LP, especially the work he's doing w/ TES but feel like he comes across as knowing a lot more than he really does. He seems to make his speculations sound like facts. JMO

Cindy stated that they had gone to do some legal guardian stuff for Caylee. The attorney asked about the father- and a name was brought up then. There also has been a few others speculated- J. Ortiz - etc. It is possible that law enforcement took the most logical name and approached whomever (or the family) of whomever to confirm it, as they should have had the paternity test results from Jesse showing the DNA from the bio father.  JMO

When Jesse submitted his DNA for testing all the test showed was that he was not the father- there would be no way of finding out who was, just that it was not him.

Oh, thank you for letting me know.  I hadn't heard that.  One down, thousands of other potential "baby daddies" to test!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TxLady2 on October 24, 2008, 12:33:58 PM
Just a thought, but the "oxygen deprived circumstances" could mean the trunk itself. When the lid of the trunk is closed, the oxygen would run out after a while. But I still believe the body was in some kind of bag, probably a trash bag.
I wonder where in the report that Dr. Baden is finding that the father is known.... I skimmed it earlier and I didn't see this.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: IMissThirdGrade on October 24, 2008, 12:34:10 PM
I'm reading the FBI report and noticed under the mtDNA that one of the observations of the DNA is Hispanic. If I understand this correctly, that would mean that along the maternal line there would be someone in grandma CA's line who was hispanic.  And she hates hispanics??  Hmmmm......

I don't think it meant that.  It has something to do with percentages of this DNA occurrence in that particular race.

hence, the conclusion (most likelihood) of it being caucasian


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 12:34:59 PM
[quote author=kerryjean1 link=topic=3804.msg514258#msg514258

I like LP, especially the work he's doing w/ TES but feel like he comes across as knowing a lot more than he really does. He seems to make his speculations sound like facts. JMO

Cindy stated that they had gone to do some legal guardian stuff for Caylee. The attorney asked about the father- and a name was brought up then. There also has been a few others speculated- J. Ortiz - etc. It is possible that law enforcement took the most logical name and approached whomever (or the family) of whomever to confirm it, as they should have had the paternity test results from Jesse showing the DNA from the bio father.  JMO

Fair enough - however, there is a REASON Lee has refused a dna test and also there is a REASON that Cindy-mom has not lashed out at the media about rumors that her son has been bonking her daughter.  IMO, that reason is because there is some truth to it all...... JMO :-)

Exactly!  I'm sure Cindy and George would be screaming that Lee wasn't the father. 
[/quote]





They wouldn't refute that if they knew it would come out at the trial.  They can refute the limited evidence released at this point but parentage would be hard to deny.  There has been nothing refuted on the allegations that Lee is possibly or in Padillas' certainty that Lee is the father.  That is a damaging allegation that would open Padilla up to lawsuits imo.  Now, the female bounty hunter in the house may have also found out this information don't forget.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: West Coast Monkey on October 24, 2008, 12:35:26 PM
If they know the identity of the father as Baden says, that implies they have dna from the father.  The only people we know of that have submitted dna are the Anthony's.   More evidence that Lee is the baby daddy ?

IF Lee is the father, I would think that could play into the motive side of the prosecution's case.  Which means it will be discussed at some point.

I don't think Lee is the father.
I believe they have had the father's DNA for a long time due to the DNA report Jesse supposedly handed over from the paternity test. I don't think it would have taken too much detail to see if the father was related- and I can't see that big a bombshell being kept a secret for so long

Well it hasn't really been a secret, LP said it on NG early on.  Yes they have Jesse's dna but he is NOT the father.   So if it is not Lee or George, BUT they know who it is, then they have dna from someone else - who is that ?

I like LP, especially the work he's doing w/ TES but feel like he comes across as knowing a lot more than he really does. He seems to make his speculations sound like facts. JMO

Cindy stated that they had gone to do some legal guardian stuff for Caylee. The attorney asked about the father- and a name was brought up then. There also has been a few others speculated- J. Ortiz - etc. It is possible that law enforcement took the most logical name and approached whomever (or the family) of whomever to confirm it, as they should have had the paternity test results from Jesse showing the DNA from the bio father.  JMO

When Jesse submitted his DNA for testing all the test showed was that he was not the father- there would be no way of finding out who was, just that it was not him.

Oh, thank you for letting me know.  I hadn't heard that.  One down, thousands of other potential "baby daddies" to test!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oops..I thought you were responding to my Jesus O. comment, but just saw you put Jesse G.  Too many men, 1 busy murderess mom!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mint_Julep on October 24, 2008, 12:36:01 PM
http://www.wesh.com/breakingnews/index.html

DNA Results Released
October 24, 2008 - No Responses
Updated at 11:45 a.m. Friday, Oct. 24: DNA results were released this morning in the Casey Anthony case. It is the latest release of evidence in the case. The information includes a report from the so-called Body Farm at the University of Tennessee as well as reports on other forensic evidence found in Casey’s car trunk and home.



http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1024/17794777.pdf

Among the findings:

/ Analysis of air samples from Casey’s trunk indicates decomposition “that could be of human origin” and have “an unusually large concentration of chloroform.” The report, from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, do not indicate animal decomposition. Several of the compounds in the air samples are associated with a type of decomposition found when someone is deprived of oxygen.

/ A hair found on the left side of Casey’s trunk liner “exhibits characteristics of  apparent decomposition” and “is microscopically similar” to a hair from a hairbrush belonging to Caylee. DNA tests, however, could not say whether the hair came from Casey Anthony or Caylee Anthony.

/ Parts of Casey’s trunk liner and spare tire cover shows “residues of chloroform.”

/ Other hair found in the trunk did not exhibit decomposition.

/ No hair showing apparent decomposition was found on pants and skirts. Although it appears this part of the report refers to Casey’s clothes, it does not specifically say.

/ Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.


Hmm.....I wonder what that means about the "other" hair in the trunk.

I'm just red marking what I think Baez will red mark. The "characteristics of apparent decomposition" phrase bothers me the most. In the absense of a body, establishing death will hinge on that. I know that it probably never happens, but I wish the report had said it showed conclusively that death had occured. Probably just semantics, but I can wish!

Unless I overlooked it, I don't see any analysis from anthing having to do with the plastic bag that had the pizza box in it. Maybe that is yet to come. It was speculated that the bag had evidence of composition on the outside of it.





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 12:36:21 PM
They wouldn't refute that if they knew it would come out at the trial.  They can refute the limited evidence released at this point but parentage would be hard to deny.  There has been nothing refuted on the allegations that Lee is possibly or in Padillas' certainty that Lee is the father.  That is a damaging allegation that would open Padilla up to lawsuits imo.  Now, the female bounty hunter in the house may have also found out this information don't forget.

mmmmm hmmmmm, what Russ said....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 12:38:50 PM
Everyone should read page 22 and 23 Air Sampling summary.

67% known to be associated with decomposition.
Out of 16 compounds....7 were significant HUMAN  decomp chemicals.


Casey Anthony had a decomposing HUMAN body in the trunk of her car! That is the conclusion here...it's there in black and white.  A jury will see that and hear the testimony from the people that performed the tests.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 12:39:09 PM
They wouldn't refute that if they knew it would come out at the trial.  They can refute the limited evidence released at this point but parentage would be hard to deny.  There has been nothing refuted on the allegations that Lee is possibly or in Padillas' certainty that Lee is the father.  That is a damaging allegation that would open Padilla up to lawsuits imo.  Now, the female bounty hunter in the house may have also found out this information don't forget.

mmmmm hmmmmm, what Russ said....

If Lee is the father, the defense will do anything to keep it from coming out in court.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pink angel on October 24, 2008, 12:39:21 PM
Janet, if they have Caylee's full DNA (which they did) they can tell simply by looking at it if her parents were related.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 12:40:35 PM
Everyone should read page 22 and 23 Air Sampling summary.

67% known to be associated with decomposition.
Out of 16 compounds....7 were significant HUMAN  decomp chemicals.


Casey Anthony had a decomposing HUMAN body in the trunk of her car! That is the conclusion here...it's there in black and white.  A jury will see that and hear the testimony from the people that performed the tests.


Keep talking Lala's. Please keep reminding me this is not the OJ trial and will not be the OJ jury!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 12:41:13 PM
They wouldn't refute that if they knew it would come out at the trial.  They can refute the limited evidence released at this point but parentage would be hard to deny.  There has been nothing refuted on the allegations that Lee is possibly or in Padillas' certainty that Lee is the father.  That is a damaging allegation that would open Padilla up to lawsuits imo.  Now, the female bounty hunter in the house may have also found out this information don't forget.

mmmmm hmmmmm, what Russ said....


I found Cindy posting on one of the local news websites.  I was pretty sure it was her.  I asked that question.  She never denied but seemed bothered by it.  She called me a stupid child.  Anyway, she left after that and would not answer the question.  I am fairly certain that Lee being the father explains everything and more.

I posted this to LP at his site.

Lee being the father is really the only explanation that I have been able to discern that would explain everything in totality. I would venture to add that any abuse of that nature by the brother would have begun while he still lived at home. If so, this may have been happening when she was still in high school

It would explain the following:
1. A seemingly shy, quiet, smart, young girl dropping suddenly out of high school.
2. Denial by her and the family that she was pregnant at her brothers wedding at 7 months pregnant.
3. A slippery path to sociopathy starting with the abandonment of her job where she was employee of the year.
4. Resentment towards Caylee and her mother, evolving into murder as the sociopathy took over.
5. The family enabling her out of shame to lie, steal, and cheat. Guilt.
6. Her promiscuity after Caylee was born. (Typical of abuse victims)
7. Her closeness with her abuser.
8. Her mother saying she was protecting the family.
9. Lee trying to stop the third 911 call.
10. Lee trying to handle the investigation.
11. Lee convincing Cindy and George to not take polygraghs.
12. The family's numerous stories of who the father is and Casey's choice to invoke sympathy by saying the father died coming to Caylee's birthday.
13. The family regrouping and circling the wagons following the third 911 call.
14. Lee refusing to take a DNA test.
15. Cindy saying Casey would be mother of the year when she really meant that she would be mother of the year by proxy by protecting Casey and Lee.
16. The continued obfuscation of Law Enforcement and lies to the media.
17. Lee disappearing from everywhere following the subpoena for DNA being served.
18. George leaving the house and living with parents around the time Caylee was brought home and the filing for divorce. Was he ashamed of Lee?
19. Lee not coming around before this when George was home.
20. The name - Cay-Lee - named by Cindy when Cindy was the first to hold the child.


These are twenty things this scenario explains to a degree, does not excuse, off the top of my head. I am sure others could add to the list. If it is true, then there is a deep dark secret that the family is protecting. Cindy has no choice because she has lost Caylee, had almost lost her husband because of it, and now will lose Casey and Lee's life will never be the same. There are rumors, unsubstantiated that Mallory has broke it off although I don't think that is true.

A theory is that Cindy found out Lee was the father around the 7th month of the pregnancy. She tried to keep her family intact by pushing the responsibility of the child on Casey and to keep the secret. Lee was allowed to help the family but never allowed to be the other parent, meanwhile George took it hard and wanted out. Cindy is dominant, and in her hopes to keep the family together she allowed Casey to lie, steal, cheat, and run amok. This was out of guilt that culminated in an argument over her stealing from Cindy's parents. Casey had already been planning an out. She wanted to either fake a kidnapping, or get rid of Caylee to earn her parents first position, the one that the incestuous child took from her. She resented Caylee. She resented her mother. When the argument happened, she put her plan in action, killed the kid, and then tried to run to California. Time ran out. She never got out. Her parents still feel burdened to her for the actions they took forcing the responsibility on her for.


Now, I am fairly confident Mallory is still with Lee.  I can understand that if she is pregnant.  There are plenty more things that would be explained if Lee is the father. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 12:41:34 PM
Now, ask yourself this...who goes around with HUMAN decomp in their car?   That is all the jury needs to see and hear.  Explain the word HUMAN...it's not squirrel...it's not pizza....it's HUMAN. Game over!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 12:41:53 PM
Everyone should read page 22 and 23 Air Sampling summary.

67% known to be associated with decomposition.
Out of 16 compounds....7 were significant HUMAN  decomp chemicals.


Casey Anthony had a decomposing HUMAN body in the trunk of her car! That is the conclusion here...it's there in black and white.  A jury will see that and hear the testimony from the people that performed the tests.


YEP.... addd in all the circumstantial evidence...plus anything else we do not have yet....and hopefully Caylee's remains and Caseface will never walk free again...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 12:42:43 PM
I wish I knew how to copy from those files...any idea...I want you guys to read something...help!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: lula on October 24, 2008, 12:43:41 PM
May just me but the disturbing thing that I kept reading was all the evidence pointed to decomposition but the HIGH levels of chloroform present --along with the fact they kept saying oxygen deprived characteristics?  does this mean she was strangled or I don't even want to repeat what is going through my head right now.
Wouldn't a drowning be oxygen deprived as well?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 12:43:50 PM
I wish I knew how to copy from those files...any idea...I want you guys to read something...help!

LOL....dont feel so bad now... I tried to do the same earlier and could not do it... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 24, 2008, 12:46:03 PM
Janet, if they have Caylee's full DNA (which they did) they can tell simply by looking at it if her parents were related.



Thanks for saying what I was thinking.  I thought this was so, but wasn't sure. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 12:46:09 PM
Air Sample summary:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/aifsamp1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/airsamp2.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 12:46:30 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/GizmoBird/Emotions/gm.gif)

I hope for Casey its a (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/GizmoBird/Emotions/29381.gif)

And we all see Casey as (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/GizmoBird/Emotions/titanic.gif)

LMAO just a few more smilies for Tater to grab!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Nods* Thankyou very much!I love them and they look very nice in my file... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 12:47:11 PM
I wish I knew how to copy from those files...any idea...I want you guys to read something...help!

Lala's after all this time you don't have a screen capture tool?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pinkbanana on October 24, 2008, 12:47:24 PM
Hello Monkey Family... :2waver:



pbxo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 12:47:42 PM
May just me but the disturbing thing that I kept reading was all the evidence pointed to decomposition but the HIGH levels of chloroform present --along with the fact they kept saying oxygen deprived characteristics?  does this mean she was strangled or I don't even want to repeat what is going through my head right now.
Wouldn't a drowning be oxygen deprived as well?

No that just means that there was little oxygen in the sample.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 12:48:22 PM
I wish I knew how to copy from those files...any idea...I want you guys to read something...help!

Lala's after all this time you don't have a screen capture tool?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL  NO!  Tell me where I can get it...please.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hiding Monkey on October 24, 2008, 12:48:53 PM
Hi Fellow Monkeys!  I was just going back looking at documents & discovered the Summary of the Compaq laptop computer.  4th paragraph states:

"An MSWord document entitled "diary of days.doc" was bookmarked.  The Metadata Analysis of the document "Diary of Days" reports the author as CMANTHON of the GENTIVA Corporation on July 2, 2008 at 10:42:08 am.  The document was bookmarked and copied to the Evidence/Documents folder.  The results of the Metadata Analysis were saved to the same folder.  Also bookmarked were several web page entries for Bill Pay for the account "Casey Anthony, account number 04985420-001-04" for payment of a cell phone bill."

Found it interesting so I looked up GENTIVA Corporation.  Appears it's a Home Health Services company.  Where did she come up with that?  Does it coinside with a company Cindy may work with?  Thought you all might find it interesting as well.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 12:48:55 PM
[quote author=kerryjean1 link=topic=3804.msg514258#msg514258

I like LP, especially the work he's doing w/ TES but feel like he comes across as knowing a lot more than he really does. He seems to make his speculations sound like facts. JMO

Cindy stated that they had gone to do some legal guardian stuff for Caylee. The attorney asked about the father- and a name was brought up then. There also has been a few others speculated- J. Ortiz - etc. It is possible that law enforcement took the most logical name and approached whomever (or the family) of whomever to confirm it, as they should have had the paternity test results from Jesse showing the DNA from the bio father.  JMO

Fair enough - however, there is a REASON Lee has refused a dna test and also there is a REASON that Cindy-mom has not lashed out at the media about rumors that her son has been bonking her daughter.  IMO, that reason is because there is some truth to it all...... JMO :-)

Exactly!  I'm sure Cindy and George would be screaming that Lee wasn't the father. 
[/quote]"rumors that her son has been bonking her daughter"  man, that's something you never read in a Hallmark card!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 12:49:20 PM
I wish I knew how to copy from those files...any idea...I want you guys to read something...help!

Lala's after all this time you don't have a screen capture tool?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


What is that klaas? I couldn't do it either... granted , I am technologically challenged...but geez.... ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 12:49:29 PM
I wish I knew how to copy from those files...any idea...I want you guys to read something...help!

LOL....dont feel so bad now... I tried to do the same earlier and could not do it... ::MonkeyConfused::

THERE'S PROBABLY AN EASIER WAY, BUT.................
Right click on the page, and a list appears. Click the Sect tool. It will allow you to make a box around what you want to copy, and turn it blue. Right click the created box and it will let you copy image. Go to word, and paste it there. Then you can copy here.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 12:50:04 PM
Klaas
Please post the upper half of page 23 for me. Thanks.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 12:50:56 PM
Klaas
Please post the upper half of page 23 for me. Thanks.


LOL....Lala's found the easier way.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 12:51:04 PM
Well, Klaas, me either!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Bring us out of touch monkeys into the present day, will you?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TxLady2 on October 24, 2008, 12:51:24 PM
IF Lee is the father of Caylee, and IF Cindy was aware of this fact before the child was born, I cannot see her pushing Casey to keep the baby and not allow her to give her up for adoption. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Cindy may be annoying as heck, but she is NOT stupid! I'm sorry, I just can't buy into that theory!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 12:52:08 PM
I wish I knew how to copy from those files...any idea...I want you guys to read something...help!

LOL....dont feel so bad now... I tried to do the same earlier and could not do it... ::MonkeyConfused::

THERE'S PROBABLY AN EASIER WAY, BUT.................
Right click on the page, and a list appears. Click the Sect tool. It will allow you to make a box around what you want to copy, and turn it blue. Right click the created box and it will let you copy image. Go to word, and paste it there. Then you can copy here.

Let me try that...I bet I don't get it right...no gets to laugh either.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: akmom on October 24, 2008, 12:52:34 PM
I was initially concerned that it seemed that this is not a lot of evidence.  But, if you look, you see that the tire cover was tested, but there is no info given about what was found there.  Also, of course, there is no info on the plastic bag that LE recovered from the tow company.  I am sure there is much more evidence to come.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 12:53:30 PM
IF Lee is the father of Caylee, and IF Cindy was aware of this fact before the child was born, I cannot see her pushing Casey to keep the baby and not allow her to give her up for adoption. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Cindy may be annoying as heck, but she is NOT stupid! I'm sorry, I just can't buy into that theory!
But if you keep the baby at home, who will be the wiser?????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 12:53:36 PM
IF Lee is the father of Caylee, and IF Cindy was aware of this fact before the child was born, I cannot see her pushing Casey to keep the baby and not allow her to give her up for adoption. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Cindy may be annoying as heck, but she is NOT stupid! I'm sorry, I just can't buy into that theory!


I kind of see it as she would not have wanted to have to disclose the fathers identity on adoption profile...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 12:53:42 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 12:53:55 PM
Janet, if they have Caylee's full DNA (which they did) they can tell simply by looking at it if her parents were related.



yes that's true too. I dunno- I just have a gut feeling that Lee is not the father. I think there are other reasons they could want Lee's DNA.

ALSO
I am hoping someone out there can help me-
I remember vaguely looking around and finding something on myspace about another young man from KY who had died and I remember seeing rest in peace jesus Ortiz on there. I remember saying to myself- hmmm- wonder if that kid visited Jesus in Orlando and since Casey knew Jesus- maybe she had a one nighter with his visiting friend. I can't for the life of me find this myspace page again and it is driving me crazy. I believe the page was maintained by his brother possibly older or younger. I thought his name was Kevin- but I can't swear to it. I don't even know how I ended up on that page to begin with. I am thinking I may have taken a name that Cindy mentioned in her interview with LE when talking about Caylee's dad. HELP!!!

Does anyone know who I am talking about? I can't find it again!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 12:54:36 PM
I did that and now how do I get it to my post?  Stop laughing everyone. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 12:55:24 PM
[quote author=kerryjean1 link=topic=3804.msg514258#msg514258

I like LP, especially the work he's doing w/ TES but feel like he comes across as knowing a lot more than he really does. He seems to make his speculations sound like facts. JMO

Cindy stated that they had gone to do some legal guardian stuff for Caylee. The attorney asked about the father- and a name was brought up then. There also has been a few others speculated- J. Ortiz - etc. It is possible that law enforcement took the most logical name and approached whomever (or the family) of whomever to confirm it, as they should have had the paternity test results from Jesse showing the DNA from the bio father.  JMO

Fair enough - however, there is a REASON Lee has refused a dna test and also there is a REASON that Cindy-mom has not lashed out at the media about rumors that her son has been bonking her daughter.  IMO, that reason is because there is some truth to it all...... JMO :-)
[/quote]

I have reread many of Leonard Padilla's words in inverviews and ... have come to a conclusion that everything that he claims that he heard and observed as well as records he was privy to through Lee Anthony throughout Casey's first release can be relied upon 100%.

However ... everything else is speculation but ... Padilla he careful to say that is speculation.  He has gone through a few theories based on revealed records but ... so have most of us.

Something akin to Richard Grund ... in the beginning he had first hand information to offer investigators in regards to the period of time there was an association with Casey but ... after that he has nothing concrete to offer ... only speculation.  However ... many tend to embrace his speculations as gospel.

If you read Leonard Padilla's words concerning Lee Anthony in relation to paternity carefully ... he is not stating a fact ... he is sharing his perception.

Janet

++++++++

LEONARD PADILLA ... CHANGING THEORIES

THE DUMPSTER

NANCY GRACE
Bounty Hunter Thinks Casey Anthony had an Accomplice
Aired September 17, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, the situation is, she ran out of gas at the checking cashing store on the 26th. And there was a tremendous amount of communication on her phone on the evening of the 26th and also on the 27th, when she called her boyfriend to come pick her up, that the car had run out of gas. And it goes on into the 28th and then it stops. It just stops. No communication with hardly anybody. And the car naturally got towed off on the 30th.

So there had to be somebody giving her a hand at that time because if you`re dealing with a body in a garbage bag, it`s, like -- you know, it`s an awful thing to say, but if you talk to a coroner or somebody that`s handled cadavers, they`ll tell you it`s like having 30 pounds of stew in a garbage bag. And if you have a bone breakthrough, it`ll just literally cover the trunk of the car with fluids. So you basically have to have somebody with you to help you keep somewhat your composure and also to get it over into the dumpster.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/17/ng.01.html


THE AIRPORT

NANCY GRACE
Homicide Charge May Be Brought Against Missing Toddler`s Mother
Aired October 8, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


GRACE: Back to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter out of Sacramento, California. In a nutshell, where is it that you believe they`re going to search?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: I don`t have the map here in front of me, but it`s just southeast of the home, northwest to the airport. There is a small area there where the two towers -- she was right in the middle of the two towers.

Now let me add something to this that`s very important. On the 27th after she goes back to Amscot and picks up her car, goes to the house, comes to this area, immediately thereafter, she calls Amy and she says, "I got rid of the smell in the car. I scraped off the squirrels."

You go to the transcripts, and you`ll read that and it`s a -- minutes after she leaves that area and goes back up north to Amscot.

GRACE: OK. And the area is south of what?

PADILLA: It`s south of the residence and north of the airport. It`s just right in between there.

GRACE: OK. To -- and that is a heavily wooded or swampy area, Leonard?

PADILLA: It`s a little of both. There`s combinations. But there`s a road that cuts through from the northwest to the southeast. It cuts right through there. I don`t have a map with me, so it`s difficult to explain. But there is an area right there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/08/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 12:57:29 PM
I guess it just isn't as good as hoped for eh?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 12:58:17 PM
They wouldn't refute that if they knew it would come out at the trial.  They can refute the limited evidence released at this point but parentage would be hard to deny.  There has been nothing refuted on the allegations that Lee is possibly or in Padillas' certainty that Lee is the father.  That is a damaging allegation that would open Padilla up to lawsuits imo.  Now, the female bounty hunter in the house may have also found out this information don't forget.

mmmmm hmmmmm, what Russ said....


I found Cindy posting on one of the local news websites.  I was pretty sure it was her.  I asked that question.  She never denied but seemed bothered by it.  She called me a stupid child.  Anyway, she left after that and would not answer the question.  I am fairly certain that Lee being the father explains everything and more.

I posted this to LP at his site.

Lee being the father is really the only explanation that I have been able to discern that would explain everything in totality. I would venture to add that any abuse of that nature by the brother would have begun while he still lived at home. If so, this may have been happening when she was still in high school

It would explain the following:
1. A seemingly shy, quiet, smart, young girl dropping suddenly out of high school.
2. Denial by her and the family that she was pregnant at her brothers wedding at 7 months pregnant.
3. A slippery path to sociopathy starting with the abandonment of her job where she was employee of the year.
4. Resentment towards Caylee and her mother, evolving into murder as the sociopathy took over.
5. The family enabling her out of shame to lie, steal, and cheat. Guilt.
6. Her promiscuity after Caylee was born. (Typical of abuse victims)
7. Her closeness with her abuser.
8. Her mother saying she was protecting the family.
9. Lee trying to stop the third 911 call.
10. Lee trying to handle the investigation.
11. Lee convincing Cindy and George to not take polygraghs.
12. The family's numerous stories of who the father is and Casey's choice to invoke sympathy by saying the father died coming to Caylee's birthday.
13. The family regrouping and circling the wagons following the third 911 call.
14. Lee refusing to take a DNA test.
15. Cindy saying Casey would be mother of the year when she really meant that she would be mother of the year by proxy by protecting Casey and Lee.
16. The continued obfuscation of Law Enforcement and lies to the media.
17. Lee disappearing from everywhere following the subpoena for DNA being served.
18. George leaving the house and living with parents around the time Caylee was brought home and the filing for divorce. Was he ashamed of Lee?
19. Lee not coming around before this when George was home.
20. The name - Cay-Lee - named by Cindy when Cindy was the first to hold the child.


These are twenty things this scenario explains to a degree, does not excuse, off the top of my head. I am sure others could add to the list. If it is true, then there is a deep dark secret that the family is protecting. Cindy has no choice because she has lost Caylee, had almost lost her husband because of it, and now will lose Casey and Lee's life will never be the same. There are rumors, unsubstantiated that Mallory has broke it off although I don't think that is true.

A theory is that Cindy found out Lee was the father around the 7th month of the pregnancy. She tried to keep her family intact by pushing the responsibility of the child on Casey and to keep the secret. Lee was allowed to help the family but never allowed to be the other parent, meanwhile George took it hard and wanted out. Cindy is dominant, and in her hopes to keep the family together she allowed Casey to lie, steal, cheat, and run amok. This was out of guilt that culminated in an argument over her stealing from Cindy's parents. Casey had already been planning an out. She wanted to either fake a kidnapping, or get rid of Caylee to earn her parents first position, the one that the incestuous child took from her. She resented Caylee. She resented her mother. When the argument happened, she put her plan in action, killed the kid, and then tried to run to California. Time ran out. She never got out. Her parents still feel burdened to her for the actions they took forcing the responsibility on her for.


Now, I am fairly confident Mallory is still with Lee.  I can understand that if she is pregnant.  There are plenty more things that would be explained if Lee is the father. 


I think this is the post of the day~~


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 12:59:31 PM
You know back in the old days, they handled things in a different manner.  If someone had a child out of "wedlock" then the Grandmother would adopt that child as hers after the Daughter went on a trip to see relatives.  Also in the depression, people who could not afford another child would "farm" a child out to other realtives and no one would be the wiser.  I have 3 cousins in my family that I dont have a clue who their real parents are.  I just know they traded kids around as they could afford them.   Is that awful??????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:00:05 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


COULD A MOD PLEASE CHANGE THE BOG TO BIG???? Thank you and sorry about that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 01:00:43 PM
I did that and now how do I get it to my post?  Stop laughing everyone. 

YOU'RE worried about everyone laughing? Heck, I'M the one leading you through this archaic excercise!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Save it as a picture, then upload to Photobucket and post.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: lula on October 24, 2008, 01:00:56 PM
Hi Fellow Monkeys!  I was just going back looking at documents & discovered the Summary of the Compaq laptop computer.  4th paragraph states:

"An MSWord document entitled "diary of days.doc" was bookmarked.  The Metadata Analysis of the document "Diary of Days" reports the author as CMANTHON of the GENTIVA Corporation on July 2, 2008 at 10:42:08 am.  The document was bookmarked and copied to the Evidence/Documents folder.  The results of the Metadata Analysis were saved to the same folder.  Also bookmarked were several web page entries for Bill Pay for the account "Casey Anthony, account number 04985420-001-04" for payment of a cell phone bill."

Found it interesting so I looked up GENTIVA Corporation.  Appears it's a Home Health Services company.  Where did she come up with that?  Does it coinside with a company Cindy may work with?  Thought you all might find it interesting as well.

Was she using Cindy's computer or do you think Cindy authored "Diary of Days"?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:02:22 PM
Here is an analysis of a poster at WS who has a relative who is in his last year in college studying forensic pathology.....Not saying it is gospel, but sounds about right to me....


Ok, he says about the 2.6 days. It appears as if this body was placed in the enclosed space of the trunk directly after death and left there in an unsealed container for 2 to 3 days per the test results. The body then could have remained in the enclosed space but was then placed in a recepticle to carry it, halting the decomp process on the fibers of the carpet in the trunk.

Many hairs were found, ONE with the death band/ The hair withthe death band also showed Chloroform in small traces. Interesting about the amout of Chloroform in the trunk, decomp DOES contain Chloroform but in miniscle amounts. With these results it shows someone had to have put pure choloroform in the trunk.

About the gasoline. It could only come in those levels if spilled or poured in the trunk, no way those vapors came from open containers, period. Which indicates to him that someone tried to clean with this agent.

The fact that there were 5 elements only found in human decomp is normal for this type of testing. Many of the agents WILL be similar to animals but will have other compounds that point to animal cadavers, NO other animal compounds were found, which concludes that this decomp can ONLY be human.

I asked abotu the sushi theroy so loved by some, he laughed at me. He said there is NO POSSIBLE way any of these compounds that point to human decomp come from fish, why do you think they compared it to a pig? The pig make-up is the closest to human found in the environment and NO OTHER pig elements were found ruling out a pig, where the hell do I get shushi from anyway? That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard (says him).

He also asked who *I* did in.... Nice.

He doesn't follow this case at all but said it's obvios to him that *whomever this Caylee is* she is dead, he body was in the car without being placed in any bag or anything for 2-3 days and choloroform was used either on her or in the trunk. Hair won't normally have cloroform in it even in trace amounts due to death so unless a trace amount was spilled on it it was chemically induced as in ingested prior to death, even more than once.

He said he'd like to see the fiber samples which would most likely contain skin samples from fluids that they can pull DNA from.


Ok, that's what I got before he had to leave.


Hope this helps!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73720&page=11


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 01:02:52 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


COULD A MOD PLEASE CHANGE THE BOG TO BIG???? Thank you and sorry about that.

Done.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 01:02:57 PM
Per Lala's request - upper part of page 23 of the report:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/DNApg23.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 24, 2008, 01:03:00 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: yuknomenot on October 24, 2008, 01:03:19 PM
Hi Fellow Monkeys!  I was just going back looking at documents & discovered the Summary of the Compaq laptop computer.  4th paragraph states:

"An MSWord document entitled "diary of days.doc" was bookmarked.  The Metadata Analysis of the document "Diary of Days" reports the author as CMANTHON of the GENTIVA Corporation on July 2, 2008 at 10:42:08 am.  The document was bookmarked and copied to the Evidence/Documents folder.  The results of the Metadata Analysis were saved to the same folder.  Also bookmarked were several web page entries for Bill Pay for the account "Casey Anthony, account number 04985420-001-04" for payment of a cell phone bill."

Found it interesting so I looked up GENTIVA Corporation.  Appears it's a Home Health Services company.  Where did she come up with that?  Does it coinside with a company Cindy may work with?  Thought you all might find it interesting as well.

IIRC, Gentiva is Cindy's employer and I can't recall if M is her middle initial.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 01:03:34 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


I realize this is your opinion, but HH has done alot to help us with info on this case and I don't believe she has lied about anything. That was uncalled for IMO!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:03:56 PM
CSITech....what is your opinion on the latest evidence report? TYIA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: lula on October 24, 2008, 01:04:30 PM
IF Lee is the father of Caylee, and IF Cindy was aware of this fact before the child was born, I cannot see her pushing Casey to keep the baby and not allow her to give her up for adoption. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Cindy may be annoying as heck, but she is NOT stupid! I'm sorry, I just can't buy into that theory!
It would be more reason to make her keep the baby, as the baby would be part of both her children. eewww!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 01:04:34 PM

... there is a REASON Lee has refused a dna test and also there is a REASON that Cindy-mom has not lashed out at the media about rumors that her son has been bonking her daughter.  IMO, that reason is because there is some truth to it all...... JMO :-)


TexasBarMom

As far as I know ... other than Lee Padilla in ONE media report ... the media has been silent on this issue.

There is NOTHING for Cindy and George to lash out at.

It has been some posters on internet forums that have claimed Lee Anthony could be/is the father of Caylee without providing any credible backup.

Without credible backup ... I will not go there.  False rumors of this magnitude have the ability to destroy lives.

Janet



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 01:04:41 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


But what about the people who own the shovel?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:05:02 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


My thoughts on that too Rob!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hiding Monkey on October 24, 2008, 01:06:16 PM
Hi Fellow Monkeys!  I was just going back looking at documents & discovered the Summary of the Compaq laptop computer.  4th paragraph states:

"An MSWord document entitled "diary of days.doc" was bookmarked.  The Metadata Analysis of the document "Diary of Days" reports the author as CMANTHON of the GENTIVA Corporation on July 2, 2008 at 10:42:08 am.  The document was bookmarked and copied to the Evidence/Documents folder.  The results of the Metadata Analysis were saved to the same folder.  Also bookmarked were several web page entries for Bill Pay for the account "Casey Anthony, account number 04985420-001-04" for payment of a cell phone bill."

Found it interesting so I looked up GENTIVA Corporation.  Appears it's a Home Health Services company.  Where did she come up with that?  Does it coinside with a company Cindy may work with?  Thought you all might find it interesting as well.

Was she using Cindy's computer or do you think Cindy authored "Diary of Days"?
  According to the Computer Forensics Report it states that Sgt John Allen advised the writer that it would be in the best interest of the investigation to obtain a search warrant for the HP desktop computer belonging to George and Cindy.  So I'd say that the "Diary of Days" was on Casey's Compaq laptop.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:06:48 PM
I got a pretty bog hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


I realize this is your opinion, but HH has done alot to help us with info on this case and I don't believe she has lied about anything. That was uncalled for IMO!


Monken.... I think that we all need to remember that when a poster posts info with no back-up we should take it with the proverbial bag of salt that Old Fart is always producing...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 01:07:09 PM
Hi Fellow Monkeys!  I was just going back looking at documents & discovered the Summary of the Compaq laptop computer.  4th paragraph states:

"An MSWord document entitled "diary of days.doc" was bookmarked.  The Metadata Analysis of the document "Diary of Days" reports the author as CMANTHON of the GENTIVA Corporation on July 2, 2008 at 10:42:08 am.  The document was bookmarked and copied to the Evidence/Documents folder.  The results of the Metadata Analysis were saved to the same folder.  Also bookmarked were several web page entries for Bill Pay for the account "Casey Anthony, account number 04985420-001-04" for payment of a cell phone bill."

Found it interesting so I looked up GENTIVA Corporation.  Appears it's a Home Health Services company.  Where did she come up with that?  Does it coinside with a company Cindy may work with?  Thought you all might find it interesting as well.

probably, it was created on Cindy's laptop and that's who the laptop was registered to.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: lula on October 24, 2008, 01:07:20 PM
May just me but the disturbing thing that I kept reading was all the evidence pointed to decomposition but the HIGH levels of chloroform present --along with the fact they kept saying oxygen deprived characteristics?  does this mean she was strangled or I don't even want to repeat what is going through my head right now.
Wouldn't a drowning be oxygen deprived as well?

No that just means that there was little oxygen in the sample.



What would be the significance of the amount of oxygen in the sample? Trying to understand.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 01:07:49 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


My thoughts on that too Rob!

Could be, but LE had better rule out the neighbor that received the shovel back from Casey, and the officers that retrieved it for evidence.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 01:08:41 PM
Here is an analysis of a poster at WS who has a relative who is in his last year in college studying forensic pathology.....Not saying it is gospel, but sounds about right to me....


Ok, he says about the 2.6 days. It appears as if this body was placed in the enclosed space of the trunk directly after death and left there in an unsealed container for 2 to 3 days per the test results. The body then could have remained in the enclosed space but was then placed in a recepticle to carry it, halting the decomp process on the fibers of the carpet in the trunk.

Many hairs were found, ONE with the death band/ The hair withthe death band also showed Chloroform in small traces. Interesting about the amout of Chloroform in the trunk, decomp DOES contain Chloroform but in miniscle amounts. With these results it shows someone had to have put pure choloroform in the trunk.

About the gasoline. It could only come in those levels if spilled or poured in the trunk, no way those vapors came from open containers, period. Which indicates to him that someone tried to clean with this agent.

The fact that there were 5 elements only found in human decomp is normal for this type of testing. Many of the agents WILL be similar to animals but will have other compounds that point to animal cadavers, NO other animal compounds were found, which concludes that this decomp can ONLY be human.

I asked abotu the sushi theroy so loved by some, he laughed at me. He said there is NO POSSIBLE way any of these compounds that point to human decomp come from fish, why do you think they compared it to a pig? The pig make-up is the closest to human found in the environment and NO OTHER pig elements were found ruling out a pig, where the hell do I get shushi from anyway? That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard (says him).

He also asked who *I* did in.... Nice.

He doesn't follow this case at all but said it's obvios to him that *whomever this Caylee is* she is dead, he body was in the car without being placed in any bag or anything for 2-3 days and choloroform was used either on her or in the trunk. Hair won't normally have cloroform in it even in trace amounts due to death so unless a trace amount was spilled on it it was chemically induced as in ingested prior to death, even more than once.

He said he'd like to see the fiber samples which would most likely contain skin samples from fluids that they can pull DNA from.


Ok, that's what I got before he had to leave.


Hope this helps!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73720&page=11


Great find Cubbee!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 01:09:05 PM
I did that and now how do I get it to my post?  Stop laughing everyone. 

YOU'RE worried about everyone laughing? Heck, I'M the one leading you through this archaic excercise!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Save it as a picture, then upload to Photobucket and post.



Oh that's right and you do tend to cause a ruckus among us novice monkeys.  I have seen your work...it's the evil twin...I know, I know.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:09:54 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


COULD A MOD PLEASE CHANGE THE BOG TO BIG???? Thank you and sorry about that.

Done.  ::MonkeyWink::


Thank you CBB!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:11:07 PM
Here is an analysis of a poster at WS who has a relative who is in his last year in college studying forensic pathology.....Not saying it is gospel, but sounds about right to me....


Ok, he says about the 2.6 days. It appears as if this body was placed in the enclosed space of the trunk directly after death and left there in an unsealed container for 2 to 3 days per the test results. The body then could have remained in the enclosed space but was then placed in a recepticle to carry it, halting the decomp process on the fibers of the carpet in the trunk.

Many hairs were found, ONE with the death band/ The hair withthe death band also showed Chloroform in small traces. Interesting about the amout of Chloroform in the trunk, decomp DOES contain Chloroform but in miniscle amounts. With these results it shows someone had to have put pure choloroform in the trunk.

About the gasoline. It could only come in those levels if spilled or poured in the trunk, no way those vapors came from open containers, period. Which indicates to him that someone tried to clean with this agent.

The fact that there were 5 elements only found in human decomp is normal for this type of testing. Many of the agents WILL be similar to animals but will have other compounds that point to animal cadavers, NO other animal compounds were found, which concludes that this decomp can ONLY be human.

I asked abotu the sushi theroy so loved by some, he laughed at me. He said there is NO POSSIBLE way any of these compounds that point to human decomp come from fish, why do you think they compared it to a pig? The pig make-up is the closest to human found in the environment and NO OTHER pig elements were found ruling out a pig, where the hell do I get shushi from anyway? That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard (says him).

He also asked who *I* did in.... Nice.

He doesn't follow this case at all but said it's obvios to him that *whomever this Caylee is* she is dead, he body was in the car without being placed in any bag or anything for 2-3 days and choloroform was used either on her or in the trunk. Hair won't normally have cloroform in it even in trace amounts due to death so unless a trace amount was spilled on it it was chemically induced as in ingested prior to death, even more than once.

He said he'd like to see the fiber samples which would most likely contain skin samples from fluids that they can pull DNA from.


Ok, that's what I got before he had to leave.


Hope this helps!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73720&page=11


Great find Cubbee!


Thanks mammy...but what the hell is the sushi theory.... ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 01:11:25 PM

... there is a REASON Lee has refused a dna test and also there is a REASON that Cindy-mom has not lashed out at the media about rumors that her son has been bonking her daughter.  IMO, that reason is because there is some truth to it all...... JMO :-)


TexasBarMom

As far as I know ... other than Lee Padilla in ONE media report ... the media has been silent on this issue.

There is NOTHING for Cindy and George to lash out at.

It has been some posters on internet forums that have claimed Lee Anthony could be/is the father of Caylee without providing any credible backup.

Without credible backup ... I will not go there.  False rumors of this magnitude have the ability to destroy lives.

Janet



I respect your opinion on this - we are all just pretty much re-hashing what we have heard and trying to make sense of it all.  My brain takes it all in and comes out with a possible answer, and your brain takes it all in and comes out with something different :-)   That's probably as good as it gets until we get more evidence. 

As for destroying lives - <cough>  well I think Casey killing her daughter has pretty much taken care of that for all of the Anthonys.  And I for one don't think bonking your brother is nearly as bad as killing your daughter.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: WillenFan21 on October 24, 2008, 01:11:58 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


I saw that! I was confused at first by what it meant but yeah that would definelty mean that the witness who saw Casey with another man that day was right on.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 01:12:00 PM
Do we know if the neighbor that loaned Casey the shovel gave a DNA sample?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 01:12:16 PM
May just me but the disturbing thing that I kept reading was all the evidence pointed to decomposition but the HIGH levels of chloroform present --along with the fact they kept saying oxygen deprived characteristics?  does this mean she was strangled or I don't even want to repeat what is going through my head right now.
Wouldn't a drowning be oxygen deprived as well?

No that just means that there was little oxygen in the sample.



What would be the significance of the amount of oxygen in the sample? Trying to understand.

Not much actually.  Remember it was an air sample from the trunk..oxygen depletion can happen under all kinds of circumstances.  Some chemicals...aka chloroform...can deplete oxygen in the air when competing for space. There was also various test performed both aerobic and anaerobic.  That is one with access to oxygen and one that is not.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:12:25 PM
Fox on case in 3 minutes...prolly SOS...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 01:12:39 PM
UPDATE ON FOX IN 3 MINUTES


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 01:12:49 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.

I agree 100%.

Rob ... I believe that the reason that Lee Anthony objected to a lie detector test and a DNA test is because ... out of a misguided love/loyalty for his sister ... he may have assisted in the disposal of his niece's remains.

Janet
________

George Anthony Set To Testify Against Casey In Front Of Grand Jury
POSTED: 6:11 am EDT October 10, 2008
UPDATED: 1:58 pm EDT October 13, 2008


Sources told Eyewitness News the Orange County grand jury will hear about high levels of chloroform in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car. The panel will hear how lab tests on the hair and the stain in the trunk will show that Caylee's body was in that trunk and that investigators also believe the little girl's body was at some point in the Anthony's backyard near her playhouse.

The focus on when Caylee was murdered is on the afternoon of June 16, sometime between mid-day, when Caylee's grandfather last saw her alive with Casey, and the evening, when Casey went to her boyfriend's apartment without Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17684992/detail.html


Casey Anthony's Father To Testify Against Her In Front Of Grand Jury
POSTED: 5:56 pm EDT October 9, 2008
UPDATED: 6:29 pm EDT October 9, 2008


George and Cindy Anthony voluntarily gave up DNA samples this week so investigators could scientifically exclude either of them as the source of the hair and stain in Casey's trunk, but investigators had to get a search warrant to get Casey's brother Lee to submit to a DNA test. He also has refused to take a lie detector test for the FBI.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17680298/detail.html


NANCY GRACE
10 More Charges Filed Against Missing Florida Toddler`s Mom
Aired September 11, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: ... And one day, when the FBI and some local officials came over to ask the Anthony family to take a lie detector test, Lee became agitated. We were sitting out in the RV. And at first, they agreed to, and then he came back out and said, No, we`re not going take lie detector tests at all.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/11/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 24, 2008, 01:13:10 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


My thoughts on that too Rob!

Could be, but LE had better rule out the neighbor that received the shovel back from Casey, and the officers that retrieved it for evidence.

Casey also had access to the shovel in their shed. And had broken in several times. I am not convinced this shovel is the neighbor's.

Cindy TOLD you all that George's DNA will be found because he cut his hand and was sweating. She also told you that George moved a plant to the other side of the yard.

George was digging. She told you that.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:13:15 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


Rob, I am also surprised nobody commented on that. I guess it could also belong to the owner of the shovel. The next door neighbor. It was in the sticky label on the shovel so it could come from anyone that came in contact with that shovel or if she stored it in the trunk it could have been picked up from the trunk but we can pretty much determine it can be from an accomplice as well and could not be refuted because nobody has admitted to being in contact with the shovel innocently.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 01:13:42 PM
Also, not that anyone is paying any attention to me, our family has their own graveyard.  I don't think the names are even written down.  There was no caskets, no perservatives, no headstones, nothing......


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 01:14:10 PM
Here is an analysis of a poster at WS who has a relative who is in his last year in college studying forensic pathology.....Not saying it is gospel, but sounds about right to me....


Ok, he says about the 2.6 days. It appears as if this body was placed in the enclosed space of the trunk directly after death and left there in an unsealed container for 2 to 3 days per the test results. The body then could have remained in the enclosed space but was then placed in a recepticle to carry it, halting the decomp process on the fibers of the carpet in the trunk.

Many hairs were found, ONE with the death band/ The hair withthe death band also showed Chloroform in small traces. Interesting about the amout of Chloroform in the trunk, decomp DOES contain Chloroform but in miniscle amounts. With these results it shows someone had to have put pure choloroform in the trunk.

About the gasoline. It could only come in those levels if spilled or poured in the trunk, no way those vapors came from open containers, period. Which indicates to him that someone tried to clean with this agent.

The fact that there were 5 elements only found in human decomp is normal for this type of testing. Many of the agents WILL be similar to animals but will have other compounds that point to animal cadavers, NO other animal compounds were found, which concludes that this decomp can ONLY be human.

I asked abotu the sushi theroy so loved by some, he laughed at me. He said there is NO POSSIBLE way any of these compounds that point to human decomp come from fish, why do you think they compared it to a pig? The pig make-up is the closest to human found in the environment and NO OTHER pig elements were found ruling out a pig, where the hell do I get shushi from anyway? That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard (says him).

He also asked who *I* did in.... Nice.

He doesn't follow this case at all but said it's obvios to him that *whomever this Caylee is* she is dead, he body was in the car without being placed in any bag or anything for 2-3 days and choloroform was used either on her or in the trunk. Hair won't normally have cloroform in it even in trace amounts due to death so unless a trace amount was spilled on it it was chemically induced as in ingested prior to death, even more than once.

He said he'd like to see the fiber samples which would most likely contain skin samples from fluids that they can pull DNA from.


Ok, that's what I got before he had to leave.


Hope this helps!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73720&page=11


Great find Cubbee!


Thanks mammy...but what the hell is the sushi theory.... ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm not sure, but took it to mean from dead fish.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 01:14:34 PM

... there is a REASON Lee has refused a dna test and also there is a REASON that Cindy-mom has not lashed out at the media about rumors that her son has been bonking her daughter.  IMO, that reason is because there is some truth to it all...... JMO :-)


TexasBarMom

As far as I know ... other than Lee Padilla in ONE media report ... the media has been silent on this issue.

There is NOTHING for Cindy and George to lash out at.

It has been some posters on internet forums that have claimed Lee Anthony could be/is the father of Caylee without providing any credible backup.

Without credible backup ... I will not go there.  False rumors of this magnitude have the ability to destroy lives.

Janet




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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 01:14:36 PM
I did that and now how do I get it to my post?  Stop laughing everyone. 

YOU'RE worried about everyone laughing? Heck, I'M the one leading you through this archaic excercise!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Save it as a picture, then upload to Photobucket and post.



Oh that's right and you do tend to cause a ruckus among us novice monkeys.  I have seen your work...it's the evil twin...I know, I know.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Am I to assume it didn't work since you took the time to bring up my slight imperfections... uh, I mean my evil twin's imperfections??

I'm thinking Klaas is watching this and just letting us flounder around!  We're probably making her day! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas posted the top of page 23 for you, in case you missed it!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 01:15:00 PM
I got a pretty bog hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


I realize this is your opinion, but HH has done alot to help us with info on this case and I don't believe she has lied about anything. That was uncalled for IMO!


Monken.... I think that we all need to remember that when a poster posts info with no back-up we should take it with the proverbial bag of salt that Old Fart is always producing...


And that would include everyone, except LE.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flamom on October 24, 2008, 01:16:25 PM
They wouldn't refute that if they knew it would come out at the trial.  They can refute the limited evidence released at this point but parentage would be hard to deny.  There has been nothing refuted on the allegations that Lee is possibly or in Padillas' certainty that Lee is the father.  That is a damaging allegation that would open Padilla up to lawsuits imo.  Now, the female bounty hunter in the house may have also found out this information don't forget.

mmmmm hmmmmm, what Russ said....


I found Cindy posting on one of the local news websites.  I was pretty sure it was her.  I asked that question.  She never denied but seemed bothered by it.  She called me a stupid child.  Anyway, she left after that and would not answer the question.  I am fairly certain that Lee being the father explains everything and more.

I posted this to LP at his site.

Lee being the father is really the only explanation that I have been able to discern that would explain everything in totality. I would venture to add that any abuse of that nature by the brother would have begun while he still lived at home. If so, this may have been happening when she was still in high school

It would explain the following:
1. A seemingly shy, quiet, smart, young girl dropping suddenly out of high school.
2. Denial by her and the family that she was pregnant at her brothers wedding at 7 months pregnant.
3. A slippery path to sociopathy starting with the abandonment of her job where she was employee of the year.
4. Resentment towards Caylee and her mother, evolving into murder as the sociopathy took over.
5. The family enabling her out of shame to lie, steal, and cheat. Guilt.
6. Her promiscuity after Caylee was born. (Typical of abuse victims)
7. Her closeness with her abuser.
8. Her mother saying she was protecting the family.
9. Lee trying to stop the third 911 call.
10. Lee trying to handle the investigation.
11. Lee convincing Cindy and George to not take polygraghs.
12. The family's numerous stories of who the father is and Casey's choice to invoke sympathy by saying the father died coming to Caylee's birthday.
13. The family regrouping and circling the wagons following the third 911 call.
14. Lee refusing to take a DNA test.
15. Cindy saying Casey would be mother of the year when she really meant that she would be mother of the year by proxy by protecting Casey and Lee.
16. The continued obfuscation of Law Enforcement and lies to the media.
17. Lee disappearing from everywhere following the subpoena for DNA being served.
18. George leaving the house and living with parents around the time Caylee was brought home and the filing for divorce. Was he ashamed of Lee?
19. Lee not coming around before this when George was home.
20. The name - Cay-Lee - named by Cindy when Cindy was the first to hold the child.


These are twenty things this scenario explains to a degree, does not excuse, off the top of my head. I am sure others could add to the list. If it is true, then there is a deep dark secret that the family is protecting. Cindy has no choice because she has lost Caylee, had almost lost her husband because of it, and now will lose Casey and Lee's life will never be the same. There are rumors, unsubstantiated that Mallory has broke it off although I don't think that is true.

A theory is that Cindy found out Lee was the father around the 7th month of the pregnancy. She tried to keep her family intact by pushing the responsibility of the child on Casey and to keep the secret. Lee was allowed to help the family but never allowed to be the other parent, meanwhile George took it hard and wanted out. Cindy is dominant, and in her hopes to keep the family together she allowed Casey to lie, steal, cheat, and run amok. This was out of guilt that culminated in an argument over her stealing from Cindy's parents. Casey had already been planning an out. She wanted to either fake a kidnapping, or get rid of Caylee to earn her parents first position, the one that the incestuous child took from her. She resented Caylee. She resented her mother. When the argument happened, she put her plan in action, killed the kid, and then tried to run to California. Time ran out. She never got out. Her parents still feel burdened to her for the actions they took forcing the responsibility on her for.


Now, I am fairly confident Mallory is still with Lee.  I can understand that if she is pregnant.  There are plenty more things that would be explained if Lee is the father. 


I think this is the post of the day~~

It all makes sense doesnt it?
BTW, The employer addy on Cindy's Fla nsg license on Semoran is the same addy for Gentiva Home Health Services..
sorry for the stack ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:17:24 PM
I got a pretty bog hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


I realize this is your opinion, but HH has done alot to help us with info on this case and I don't believe she has lied about anything. That was uncalled for IMO!


Monken.... I think that we all need to remember that when a poster posts info with no back-up we should take it with the proverbial bag of salt that Old Fart is always producing...


And that would include everyone, except LE.

Yep.... the rest is just speculation to me...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: OurAngelCaylee on October 24, 2008, 01:17:54 PM
http://www.wesh.com/breakingnews/index.html

This article from the wesh website may help some of us to understand what the results mean that we rec'd today 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 01:18:03 PM
The key to a successful prosecution here is going to hinge on whether the prosecutor can explain, but way of witnesses, lab personal and various experts the details in this report in simple and concise terms.  You have to make the jury understand that the report clearly says all the necessary components of HUMAN decomp were present in that trunk.  They have to understand that Casey Anthony had a dead body of a HUMAN being in the trunk at some point prior to testing.  Then they have to establish a timeline for the events happening that can back up the evidence and fit into the time frame.  It's tedious and can be boring, but the bottom line is....

there was a decomposing HUMAN in the trunk.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: littleone on October 24, 2008, 01:18:07 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


My thoughts on that too Rob!

Could be, but LE had better rule out the neighbor that received the shovel back from Casey, and the officers that retrieved it for evidence.

Casey also had access to the shovel in their shed. And had broken in several times. I am not convinced this shovel is the neighbor's.

Cindy TOLD you all that George's DNA will be found because he cut his hand and was sweating. She also told you that George moved a plant to the other side of the yard.

George was digging. She told you that.



I think you are right!! Cindy really does talk alot. We should all listen closer!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 01:18:13 PM
Hi Fellow Monkeys!  I was just going back looking at documents & discovered the Summary of the Compaq laptop computer.  4th paragraph states:

"An MSWord document entitled "diary of days.doc" was bookmarked.  The Metadata Analysis of the document "Diary of Days" reports the author as CMANTHON of the GENTIVA Corporation on July 2, 2008 at 10:42:08 am.  The document was bookmarked and copied to the Evidence/Documents folder.  The results of the Metadata Analysis were saved to the same folder.  Also bookmarked were several web page entries for Bill Pay for the account "Casey Anthony, account number 04985420-001-04" for payment of a cell phone bill."

Found it interesting so I looked up GENTIVA Corporation.  Appears it's a Home Health Services company.  Where did she come up with that?  Does it coinside with a company Cindy may work with?  Thought you all might find it interesting as well.

Gentiva Corporation is definately the company Cindy works/worked for.  Believe you can verify in the first doc dump.  It was on her statement, on one of her statements anyway.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:18:28 PM
I got a pretty bog hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


I realize this is your opinion, but HH has done alot to help us with info on this case and I don't believe she has lied about anything. That was uncalled for IMO!


Monken.... I think that we all need to remember that when a poster posts info with no back-up we should take it with the proverbial bag of salt that Old Fart is always producing...


And that would include everyone, except LE.

Yep.... the rest is just speculation to me...


OOOOPPPPSSS....cept a few who I trust their word is good as gold...Red, Tim Miller to name a few...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 01:19:00 PM
What about the semen that was supposedly found in the trunk?Another false rumor?(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons00949.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 01:19:05 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!

Please do NOT slam other posters....she is not here to respond to your statement...you promise, huh....we we have already figured that out...so your promsie isnt too earth shattering.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 01:19:16 PM
I did that and now how do I get it to my post?  Stop laughing everyone. 

YOU'RE worried about everyone laughing? Heck, I'M the one leading you through this archaic excercise!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Save it as a picture, then upload to Photobucket and post.



Oh that's right and you do tend to cause a ruckus among us novice monkeys.  I have seen your work...it's the evil twin...I know, I know.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Am I to assume it didn't work since you took the time to bring up my slight imperfections... uh, I mean my evil twin's imperfections??

I'm thinking Klaas is watching this and just letting us flounder around!  We're probably making her day! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas posted the top of page 23 for you, in case you missed it!  ::MonkeyWink::

Didn't work and I did miss it...Going to find it. BRB. Thanks.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flamom on October 24, 2008, 01:19:22 PM
Wanna bet that what JB has to explain so that we all finally 'understand' means that he may throw Lee under the bus to keep crazy from the needle.. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:20:06 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


I realize this is your opinion, but HH has done alot to help us with info on this case and I don't believe she has lied about anything. That was uncalled for IMO!

I don't want to get anybody mad and that was not the intent. I know she has a good heart and wants to help. Stating my opinion is not uncalled for. I made it known it was my opinion and that is my right to express. I know a thing or 2 about HH that you guys may not.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 01:20:19 PM

... there is a REASON Lee has refused a dna test and also there is a REASON that Cindy-mom has not lashed out at the media about rumors that her son has been bonking her daughter.  IMO, that reason is because there is some truth to it all...... JMO :-)


TexasBarMom

As far as I know ... other than Lee Padilla in ONE media report ... the media has been silent on this issue.

There is NOTHING for Cindy and George to lash out at.

It has been some posters on internet forums that have claimed Lee Anthony could be/is the father of Caylee without providing any credible backup.

Without credible backup ... I will not go there.  False rumors of this magnitude have the ability to destroy lives.

Janet



I respect your opinion on this - we are all just pretty much re-hashing what we have heard and trying to make sense of it all.  My brain takes it all in and comes out with a possible answer, and your brain takes it all in and comes out with something different :-)   That's probably as good as it gets until we get more evidence. 

As for destroying lives - <cough>  well I think Casey killing her daughter has pretty much taken care of that for all of the Anthonys.  And I for one don't think bonking your brother is nearly as bad as killing your daughter.

I agree.  However ... Lee Anthony does not deserve to be the subject of a false rumor of this magnitude.  I believe that Lee Anthony ... out of a misguided love/loyalty ... for his sister may have assisted her in disposing of his niece's remains but ... I do not believe that he participated in Caylee's demise.

Janet





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 01:20:54 PM
The key to a successful prosecution here is going to hinge on whether the prosecutor can explain, but way of witnesses, lab personal and various experts the details in this report in simple and concise terms.  You have to make the jury understand that the report clearly says all the necessary components of HUMAN decomp were present in that trunk.  They have to understand that Casey Anthony had a dead body of a HUMAN being in the trunk at some point prior to testing.  Then they have to establish a timeline for the events happening that can back up the evidence and fit into the time frame.  It's tedious and can be boring, but the bottom line is....

there was a decomposing HUMAN in the trunk.

Yes, and well said. Exactly.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 01:20:57 PM
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1483

The Casey Anthony Saga: Forensics Evidence Report Revealed
Posted by Sean Krause on October 24th, 2008

The FBI forensic experts who looked at the hair samples found in the trunk have some damaging evidence against Casey Anthony.

All the hair samples were a confirmed match on the shovel & in the trunk of Casey’s car. The shovel, if you remember correctly, plays a significant role because it was the shovel she used to borrow from her neighbor.

It’s nothing we didn’t already know but the facts remain, with all of this mounting evidence, is the Anthony family’s position still going to remain that Caylee Anthony is still alive? It’s not everyday you find a hair sample on a shovel, unless your using it to bury a body. The sad thing is the hair sample is a confirmed match.

Let’s not also forget confirmation on the chloroform.

Again, we knew all of this, but there are some still holding out hope. The FBI has done an exceptional job, all of the gifted individuals who are able to understand what to do & find out the truth. I applaud their efforts.

While we were waiting for the forensics report to come in, we do have a forensic expert who will be coming on next week, her schedule didn’t allow us to prepare for an interview but we will have that for you next week.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 01:21:08 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


My thoughts on that too Rob!

I too think this would be the reason for wanting Lee's DNA and not for paternity reasons but JMO

also- ignore my previous post about the myspace thing (I'm confident everyone ignored me anyway (thankfully!)
It was Eric ? stated by Cindy as the father-
but I found the page I was looking for and it turned out I was wrong about Jesus being mentioned


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:21:43 PM
Where is Old Fart, with his bags of salt?????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 24, 2008, 01:22:32 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


My thoughts on that too Rob!

Could be, but LE had better rule out the neighbor that received the shovel back from Casey, and the officers that retrieved it for evidence.

Casey also had access to the shovel in their shed. And had broken in several times. I am not convinced this shovel is the neighbor's.

Cindy TOLD you all that George's DNA will be found because he cut his hand and was sweating. She also told you that George moved a plant to the other side of the yard.

George was digging. She told you that.



I think you are right!! Cindy really does talk alot. We should all listen closer!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi littleone  ::MonkeyWink::

Ya know, when confronted with evidence, the actual criminal or an enabler will try to innocently explain away that evidence. In Cin Cin's case - it was a preemptive strike. She volunteered THAT  info, no one forced her.

she knows the entire story of what happened to Caylee, who did it, and who helped her.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 01:22:47 PM
Wanna bet that what JB has to explain so that we all finally 'understand' means that he may throw Lee under the bus to keep crazy from the needle.. ::MonkeyEek::

If it is revealed through credible backup that Lee Anthony is the father of Caylee Marie ... I suspect that both the prosecution and the defence will use this to their respective advantages.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:22:54 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!

Please do NOT slam other posters....she is not here to respond to your statement...you promise, huh....we we have already figured that out...so your promsie isnt too earth shattering.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

You guys really over-react to the smallest statement. I did not slam her. I simply stated my opinion and I will not respond to another post about this. I DO NOT have to defend my own opinions. Its my right.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flamom on October 24, 2008, 01:23:56 PM
I think the hair that was stuck on the shovel label could just be a red herring  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:24:07 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


My thoughts on that too Rob!

I too think this would be the reason for wanting Lee's DNA and not for paternity reasons but JMO

also- ignore my previous post about the myspace thing (I'm confident everyone ignored me anyway (thankfully!)
It was Eric ? stated by Cindy as the father-
but I found the page I was looking for and it turned out I was wrong about Jesus being mentioned


Do we know if Eric gave DNA to LE or even give a statement??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:24:07 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


My thoughts on that too Rob!

Could be, but LE had better rule out the neighbor that received the shovel back from Casey, and the officers that retrieved it for evidence.

Casey also had access to the shovel in their shed. And had broken in several times. I am not convinced this shovel is the neighbor's.

Cindy TOLD you all that George's DNA will be found because he cut his hand and was sweating. She also told you that George moved a plant to the other side of the yard.

George was digging. She told you that.



I think you are right!! Cindy really does talk alot. We should all listen closer!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi littleone  ::MonkeyWink::

Ya know, when confronted with evidence, the actual criminal or an enabler will try to innocently explain away that evidence. In Cin Cin's case - it was a preemptive strike. She volunteered THAT  info, no one forced her.

she knows the entire story of what happened to Caylee, who did it, and who helped her.



Why do we have monkey no no...but no monkey yes yes? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 01:24:58 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


I realize this is your opinion, but HH has done alot to help us with info on this case and I don't believe she has lied about anything. That was uncalled for IMO!

I don't want to get anybody mad and that was not the intent. I know she has a good heart and wants to help. Stating my opinion is not uncalled for. I made it known it was my opinion and that is my right to express. I know a thing or 2 about HH that you guys may not.

Well, since we don't, let's just keep the personal stuff out of it, and make our point. The rest of us can come to our own conclusions about who is right or wrong based on what is posted. Not mad, just trying to keep it clean.

That's more than a suggestion, BTW. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 01:25:57 PM
Per Lala's request - upper part of page 23 of the report:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/DNApg23.jpg)


You can not explain the chloroform...no way...no how! 

You can either say Casey was searching the internet for methods of making it or she had a HUMAN in her trunk that was decomposing.  That is clearly evident in this part.  Those particular chemicals are consistently related to HUMAN decomp. 


Either Casey was planning to use the chloroform to drug Caylee or she had a dead body in her trunk that gave off chloroform.  Either way...chloroform was present...now ask yourself....or better yet ask Casey why is that???  A competent jury can make no other assumptions.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 01:26:25 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Please do NOT slam other posters....she is not here to respond to your statement...you promise, huh....we we have already figured that out...so your promsie isnt too earth shattering.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 01:26:26 PM
Wanna bet that what JB has to explain so that we all finally 'understand' means that he may throw Lee under the bus to keep crazy from the needle.. ::MonkeyEek::

If it is revealed through credible backup that Lee Anthony is the father of Caylee Marie ... I suspect that both the prosecution and the defence will use this to their respective advantages.

Janet

If I was involved in this type of speculation, I would be making a statement.  I can't state that Lee is the father 100%, but there are many things that sure point that way, IMO.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:27:13 PM
Also, not that anyone is paying any attention to me, our family has their own graveyard.  I don't think the names are even written down.  There was no caskets, no perservatives, no headstones, nothing......


I have noticed that alot of People in Kentucky have their own graveyards. I thought it was very weird but its not to them.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2008, 01:27:33 PM
 
Cubbee:
::MonkeyNoNo:: no no
 :smt045  yes yes

I wish we had a bigger monkey face for it, but we do have this one.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: nicnic on October 24, 2008, 01:28:27 PM
Also, not that anyone is paying any attention to me, our family has their own graveyard.  I don't think the names are even written down.  There was no caskets, no perservatives, no headstones, nothing......

I'm going to go ahead and say that's got a certain "creepy factor" to it...

Here (on a military base in GA), they had to hault excavations and constructions due to the large amount of bodies that were found in the ground. It was said that they dated back to probably the plague days here...or something like that. i dont remember exactly.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 01:28:57 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


My thoughts on that too Rob!

I too think this would be the reason for wanting Lee's DNA and not for paternity reasons but JMO

also- ignore my previous post about the myspace thing (I'm confident everyone ignored me anyway (thankfully!)
It was Eric ? stated by Cindy as the father-
but I found the page I was looking for and it turned out I was wrong about Jesus being mentioned


Do we know if Eric gave DNA to LE or even give a statement??

I have no idea. Does anyone have access to a yearbook from Casey's earlier years in school. Maybe we could figure out who this Eric is that she is talking about. Supposedly this guy moved to KY or somewhere before graduation so maybe a Jr. High yearbook.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 01:29:11 PM
I got a pretty bog hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


I realize this is your opinion, but HH has done alot to help us with info on this case and I don't believe she has lied about anything. That was uncalled for IMO!


Monken.... I think that we all need to remember that when a poster posts info with no back-up we should take it with the proverbial bag of salt that Old Fart is always producing...


And that would include everyone, except LE.

Yep.... the rest is just speculation to me...


OOOOPPPPSSS....cept a few who I trust their word is good as gold...Red, Tim Miller to name a few...

I Agree, Thanks Cubbee, BBl!   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hiding Monkey on October 24, 2008, 01:29:22 PM
Hi Fellow Monkeys!  I was just going back looking at documents & discovered the Summary of the Compaq laptop computer.  4th paragraph states:

"An MSWord document entitled "diary of days.doc" was bookmarked.  The Metadata Analysis of the document "Diary of Days" reports the author as CMANTHON of the GENTIVA Corporation on July 2, 2008 at 10:42:08 am.  The document was bookmarked and copied to the Evidence/Documents folder.  The results of the Metadata Analysis were saved to the same folder.  Also bookmarked were several web page entries for Bill Pay for the account "Casey Anthony, account number 04985420-001-04" for payment of a cell phone bill."

Found it interesting so I looked up GENTIVA Corporation.  Appears it's a Home Health Services company.  Where did she come up with that?  Does it coinside with a company Cindy may work with?  Thought you all might find it interesting as well.

Gentiva Corporation is definately the company Cindy works/worked for.  Believe you can verify in the first doc dump.  It was on her statement, on one of her statements anyway.
Okay, thanks for the info.  I'd just thought that Casey had done the "Diary of Days" document? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:29:29 PM
Per Lala's request - upper part of page 23 of the report:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/DNApg23.jpg)


You can not explain the chloroform...no way...no how! 

You can either say Casey was searching the internet for methods of making it or she had a HUMAN in her trunk that was decomposing.  That is clearly evident in this part.  Those particular chemicals are consistently related to HUMAN decomp. 


Either Casey was planning to use the chloroform to drug Caylee or she had a dead body in her trunk that gave off chloroform.  Either way...chloroform was present...now ask yourself....or better yet ask Casey why is that???  A competent jury can make no other assumptions.


I think this is the thing that the jury will focus on. They will see that Casey searched for it first and then it ended up being connected with a DEAD BODY in the same persons car that did the search. What are the odds of that??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 01:29:36 PM
Also, not that anyone is paying any attention to me, our family has their own graveyard.  I don't think the names are even written down.  There was no caskets, no perservatives, no headstones, nothing......


I have noticed that alot of People in Kentucky have their own graveyards. I thought it was very weird but its not to them.

I live in Indiana and some older families have them here too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: nicnic on October 24, 2008, 01:30:43 PM


Casey also had access to the shovel in their shed. And had broken in several times. I am not convinced this shovel is the neighbor's.

Cindy TOLD you all that George's DNA will be found because he cut his hand and was sweating. She also told you that George moved a plant to the other side of the yard.

George was digging. She told you that.



Rob, do you think that Cindy was possibly setting up a plausible explaination before his DNA was found? What are your thoughts on that? I still tend to believe that Lee would have helped in the disposal instead of George, but who knows.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:31:10 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


My thoughts on that too Rob!

I too think this would be the reason for wanting Lee's DNA and not for paternity reasons but JMO

also- ignore my previous post about the myspace thing (I'm confident everyone ignored me anyway (thankfully!)
It was Eric ? stated by Cindy as the father-
but I found the page I was looking for and it turned out I was wrong about Jesus being mentioned


Do we know if Eric gave DNA to LE or even give a statement??

I have no idea. Does anyone have access to a yearbook from Casey's earlier years in school. Maybe we could figure out who this Eric is that she is talking about. Supposedly this guy moved to KY or somewhere before graduation so maybe a Jr. High yearbook.

I don't have the interviews saved but does anyone know if there was an interview released from an Eric or is he dead as well. I think someone found his OBITUARY fro a newspaper clipping.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 01:31:44 PM
http://www.wesh.com/breakingnews/index.html

This article from the wesh website may help some of us to understand what the results mean that we rec'd today 

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 01:31:53 PM

I agree.  However ... Lee Anthony does not deserve to be the subject of a false rumor of this magnitude.  I believe that Lee Anthony ... out of a misguided love/loyalty ... for his sister may have assisted her in disposing of his niece's remains but ... I do not believe that he participated in Caylee's demise.

Janet



I agree, he doesn't - which is why one would think he would do everything in his power to put that rumor to bed - but he has not.  And in fact he refused dna testing.  We don't yet know what that means.  I for one do not believe he had anything to do with the death or disposal of Caylee. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flamom on October 24, 2008, 01:32:00 PM
Is this all they are dumping today?
Waaaa  I thought there would be more  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 24, 2008, 01:32:45 PM
Good afternoon, Monkeys!!!

I'm just hopping in here for the first time today and have been trying to get caught up.  I have read the reports that were released today and I have to tell you that I got a bit gloomy while reading.  There were just too many words throughout that made me uneasy....words like comparable, similar, could be, not conclusive.  Anyone else agree?   As for the hair on the shovel....it was less than 1/4" in length.  Guess that would probably indicate a man's hair.  Also noticed the reference to Blue Star.  Was that a cleaner that GA used in the car???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 01:32:46 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


My thoughts on that too Rob!

I too think this would be the reason for wanting Lee's DNA and not for paternity reasons but JMO

also- ignore my previous post about the myspace thing (I'm confident everyone ignored me anyway (thankfully!)
It was Eric ? stated by Cindy as the father-
but I found the page I was looking for and it turned out I was wrong about Jesus being mentioned


Do we know if Eric gave DNA to LE or even give a statement??

I have no idea. Does anyone have access to a yearbook from Casey's earlier years in school. Maybe we could figure out who this Eric is that she is talking about. Supposedly this guy moved to KY or somewhere before graduation so maybe a Jr. High yearbook.

I don't have the interviews saved but does anyone know if there was an interview released from an Eric or is he dead as well. I think someone found his OBITUARY fro a newspaper clipping.

from wftv:

"Cindy Anthony also told detectives that Caylee's father is an old friend of Casey's from school who moved to Tennessee or Kentucky and later died. She said it was a one night thing when both were going through a rough patch and she only remembers his first name was Eric."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Recovering-Lurker on October 24, 2008, 01:32:52 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


My thoughts on that too Rob!

I too think this would be the reason for wanting Lee's DNA and not for paternity reasons but JMO

also- ignore my previous post about the myspace thing (I'm confident everyone ignored me anyway (thankfully!)
It was Eric ? stated by Cindy as the father-
but I found the page I was looking for and it turned out I was wrong about Jesus being mentioned


Do we know if Eric gave DNA to LE or even give a statement??

I have no idea. Does anyone have access to a yearbook from Casey's earlier years in school. Maybe we could figure out who this Eric is that she is talking about. Supposedly this guy moved to KY or somewhere before graduation so maybe a Jr. High yearbook.

Hi.  Eric is dead.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 01:32:59 PM
Gotta run out for a bit but it's been fun, I'll try to catch up this afternoon  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 01:33:32 PM
CBB and Lala's - OT

I haven't tried this one but it's worth looking into as a free screen capture software. 

http://kingkongcapture.com/


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: nicnic on October 24, 2008, 01:34:46 PM


Casey also had access to the shovel in their shed. And had broken in several times. I am not convinced this shovel is the neighbor's.

Cindy TOLD you all that George's DNA will be found because he cut his hand and was sweating. She also told you that George moved a plant to the other side of the yard.

George was digging. She told you that.



Rob, do you think that Cindy was possibly setting up a plausible explaination before his DNA was found? What are your thoughts on that? I still tend to believe that Lee would have helped in the disposal instead of George, but who knows.

whoops Rob, you actually answered this as I was typing..LOL.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sam on October 24, 2008, 01:34:52 PM




Without credible backup ... I will not go there.  False rumors of this magnitude have the ability to destroy lives.

Janet



Thank you Janet for being a voice of reason in this until we have more info.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 01:35:53 PM

Cubbee:
::MonkeyNoNo:: no no
 :smt045  yes yes

I wish we had a bigger monkey face for it, but we do have this one.

Thankies...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/gifs5/045.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 01:37:12 PM
Per Lala's request - upper part of page 23 of the report:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/DNApg23.jpg)


You can not explain the chloroform...no way...no how! 

You can either say Casey was searching the internet for methods of making it or she had a HUMAN in her trunk that was decomposing.  That is clearly evident in this part.  Those particular chemicals are consistently related to HUMAN decomp. 


Either Casey was planning to use the chloroform to drug Caylee or she had a dead body in her trunk that gave off chloroform.  Either way...chloroform was present...now ask yourself....or better yet ask Casey why is that???  A competent jury can make no other assumptions.


I think this is the thing that the jury will focus on. They will see that Casey searched for it first and then it ended up being connected with a DEAD BODY in the same persons car that did the search. What are the odds of that??

Further reading through the rest of the report shows where they eliminated any chance of animal decomp...no squirrels.    They clearly and precisely show each chemical tested and then point out why it can not be an animal that is not of the HUMAN genome.  Caylee was in that trunk and she was dead.

I think Casey killed her trying to render her unconscious.  I still believe it was an accident in the sense that she only wanted her to sleep and not die.  When she found her dead she cracked...she carried her around in her trunk until she could decide what to do.  I have tried to put myself in her place several times and I can see her doing this.  What do you do?  You just killed your child and you know there is no way to fix it?  If you think like Casey you do exactly what she did.  I find it all very very sad and so preventable...there is a lot of blame to go around and the Anthonys will endure each and every moment of this agony for the rest of their lives. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: WesleyBear on October 24, 2008, 01:38:03 PM
I heard ( and I don't remember where) that Lee Anthony is not Casey's blood brother.  Lee was George's son with another woman, and Casey is Cindy's daughter with another man.  Is this true?  Does anyone know?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 01:38:20 PM
Wanna bet that what JB has to explain so that we all finally 'understand' means that he may throw Lee under the bus to keep crazy from the needle.. ::MonkeyEek::

If it is revealed through credible backup that Lee Anthony is the father of Caylee Marie ... I suspect that both the prosecution and the defence will use this to their respective advantages.

Janet

If I was involved in this type of speculation, I would be making a statement.  I can't state that Lee is the father 100%, but there are many things that sure point that way, IMO.

mammy ... I could be wrong but ... I have only read two areas of speculation.

1.  Lee Anthony refused a DNA test.
2.  Lee Anthony refused to take a lie detector test.

It could be that these actions may have everything to do with Lee's participation in the  coverup ... in the disposal of Caylee's remains.

mammy ... please share what other areas of speculation imply that Lee Anthony could be Caylee Marie's father.  Obviously ... I am missing something.

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 01:39:16 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!

Please do NOT slam other posters....she is not here to respond to your statement...you promise, huh....we we have already figured that out...so your promise isn't too earth shattering.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

You guys really over-react to the smallest statement. I did not slam her. I simply stated my opinion and I will not respond to another post about this. I DO NOT have to defend my own opinions. Its my right.

You DID Slam her.....you called her a LIAR. It is not your right to call another poster a LIAR unless you can PROVE IT! and so far you have NOT. You come on here talking about a hint you got and no one is calling you a LIAR but I can safely say that not everyone here believes you and is hanging on your every word.  And frankly I don't give a darn if your respond or not....Its MY right!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: littleone on October 24, 2008, 01:39:19 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.


My thoughts on that too Rob!

Could be, but LE had better rule out the neighbor that received the shovel back from Casey, and the officers that retrieved it for evidence.

Casey also had access to the shovel in their shed. And had broken in several times. I am not convinced this shovel is the neighbor's.

Cindy TOLD you all that George's DNA will be found because he cut his hand and was sweating. She also told you that George moved a plant to the other side of the yard.

George was digging. She told you that.



I think you are right!! Cindy really does talk alot. We should all listen closer!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi littleone  ::MonkeyWink::

Ya know, when confronted with evidence, the actual criminal or an enabler will try to innocently explain away that evidence. In Cin Cin's case - it was a preemptive strike. She volunteered THAT  info, no one forced her.

she knows the entire story of what happened to Caylee, who did it, and who helped her.

Cindy has been really helpful- to the prosecution. They pobly love all of the interviews and news conferences.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I can see Yuri propped up on his sofa with his leg all propped up -lovin everyone of them!! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 01:39:59 PM




Without credible backup ... I will not go there.  False rumors of this magnitude have the ability to destroy lives.

Janet



Thank you Janet for being a voice of reason in this until we have more info.


(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/amen.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Sam on October 24, 2008, 01:40:06 PM

Hi.  Eric is dead.

Hi Lurker,

Did you know Eric?

When did he die?

Also welcome , glad you are no longer lurking.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:41:21 PM
Quick question. Is the neighbor that provided Casey the shovel African american. I know the Anthonys have an african american neighbor, but if it is the one that let Casey use the shovel. he can be EXCLUDED from being the donor of the hair. The hair is from a Caucasion.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 01:42:45 PM

Hi.  Eric is dead.

Hi Lurker,

Did you know Eric?

When did he die?

Also welcome , glad you are no longer lurking.

welcome-
yes, please do tell if you have info ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:43:24 PM




Without credible backup ... I will not go there.  False rumors of this magnitude have the ability to destroy lives.

Janet



Thank you Janet for being a voice of reason in this until we have more info.


I wont go there either guys...not yet...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: nicnic on October 24, 2008, 01:44:04 PM
typed in "orlando obituaries eric"
This is the only Eric I've seen so far:

http://emgforever.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6&Itemid=26 (http://emgforever.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6&Itemid=26)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 01:44:12 PM
Wanna bet that what JB has to explain so that we all finally 'understand' means that he may throw Lee under the bus to keep crazy from the needle.. ::MonkeyEek::

If it is revealed through credible backup that Lee Anthony is the father of Caylee Marie ... I suspect that both the prosecution and the defence will use this to their respective advantages.

Janet

If I was involved in this type of speculation, I would be making a statement.  I can't state that Lee is the father 100%, but there are many things that sure point that way, IMO.

As far as I know ... other than ONE media source where Leonard Padilla "speculated" ... the paternity of Caylee in relation to Lee Anthony has never been an issue.

Why would a statement from the Anthony's be anticipated?

mammy ... I would agree with you if this accusation was being furthered on the Talk Shows and in the media.  However ... as far as I am concerned ... not a peep.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dejasade on October 24, 2008, 01:44:16 PM
I heard ( and I don't remember where) that Lee Anthony is not Casey's blood brother.  Lee was George's son with another woman, and Casey is Cindy's daughter with another man.  Is this true?  Does anyone know?

....I heard that also.  George is Casey's step father?  Could be wrong.
I also heard that Cindy's mother is Bea Arthur (from Golden Girls..)
I dunno, could be a rumor...?     ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 01:45:04 PM
Wanna bet that what JB has to explain so that we all finally 'understand' means that he may throw Lee under the bus to keep crazy from the needle.. ::MonkeyEek::

If it is revealed through credible backup that Lee Anthony is the father of Caylee Marie ... I suspect that both the prosecution and the defence will use this to their respective advantages.

Janet

If I was involved in this type of speculation, I would be making a statement.  I can't state that Lee is the father 100%, but there are many things that sure point that way, IMO.

mammy ... I could be wrong but ... I have only read two areas of speculation.

1.  Lee Anthony refused a DNA test.
2.  Lee Anthony refused to take a lie detector test.

It could be that these actions may have everything to do with Lee's participation in the  coverup ... in the disposal of Caylee's remains.

mammy ... please share what other areas of speculation imply that Lee Anthony could be Caylee Marie's father.  Obviously ... I am missing something.

Thank you.

Janet

In addition to what you listed, mainly the actions and reactions of Lee and his parents.  I feel that Lee's refusal of DNA, he is hiding something.  I may be wrong Janet, I sure hope that I am, but IMO something just doesn't set right with the paternity of Caylee.  As much as I hope I'm wrong, I still have a feeling that Lee will be confirmed as the father.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 01:45:05 PM




Without credible backup ... I will not go there.  False rumors of this magnitude have the ability to destroy lives.

Janet



Thank you Janet for being a voice of reason in this until we have more info.


I wont go there either guys...not yet...

me too... just too big a leap for me


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:46:21 PM
Per Lala's request - upper part of page 23 of the report:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/DNApg23.jpg)


You can not explain the chloroform...no way...no how! 

You can either say Casey was searching the internet for methods of making it or she had a HUMAN in her trunk that was decomposing.  That is clearly evident in this part.  Those particular chemicals are consistently related to HUMAN decomp. 


Either Casey was planning to use the chloroform to drug Caylee or she had a dead body in her trunk that gave off chloroform.  Either way...chloroform was present...now ask yourself....or better yet ask Casey why is that???  A competent jury can make no other assumptions.


I think this is the thing that the jury will focus on. They will see that Casey searched for it first and then it ended up being connected with a DEAD BODY in the same persons car that did the search. What are the odds of that??

Further reading through the rest of the report shows where they eliminated any chance of animal decomp...no squirrels.    They clearly and precisely show each chemical tested and then point out why it can not be an animal that is not of the HUMAN genome.  Caylee was in that trunk and she was dead.

I think Casey killed her trying to render her unconscious.  I still believe it was an accident in the sense that she only wanted her to sleep and not die.  When she found her dead she cracked...she carried her around in her trunk until she could decide what to do.  I have tried to put myself in her place several times and I can see her doing this.  What do you do?  You just killed your child and you know there is no way to fix it?  If you think like Casey you do exactly what she did.  I find it all very very sad and so preventable...there is a lot of blame to go around and the Anthonys will endure each and every moment of this agony for the rest of their lives. 


That is one of the only ways I can see someone not reporting it if it was an accident. Although it may have been an accident she knows she would still go down for murder because her wrong-doing was the reason for the death. They would have certainly found the drugs. Just makes me sick all the same.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 01:46:55 PM


from wftv:

"Cindy Anthony also told detectives that Caylee's father is an old friend of Casey's from school who moved to Tennessee or Kentucky and later died. She said it was a one night thing when both were going through a rough patch and she only remembers his first name was Eric."


IMO there is no way Cindy would NOT know the last name of Caylee's bioDad, as well as everything else about him/family. She is a nurse and knows the importance for medical purposes of knowing the history of both parents. IMO this is more of Cindy's BS


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dejasade on October 24, 2008, 01:47:12 PM
I'm 'bout to start throwin nanners...    ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:47:16 PM
Wanna bet that what JB has to explain so that we all finally 'understand' means that he may throw Lee under the bus to keep crazy from the needle.. ::MonkeyEek::

If it is revealed through credible backup that Lee Anthony is the father of Caylee Marie ... I suspect that both the prosecution and the defence will use this to their respective advantages.

Janet

If I was involved in this type of speculation, I would be making a statement.  I can't state that Lee is the father 100%, but there are many things that sure point that way, IMO.

mammy ... I could be wrong but ... I have only read two areas of speculation.

1.  Lee Anthony refused a DNA test.
2.  Lee Anthony refused to take a lie detector test.

It could be that these actions may have everything to do with Lee's participation in the  coverup ... in the disposal of Caylee's remains.

mammy ... please share what other areas of speculation imply that Lee Anthony could be Caylee Marie's father.  Obviously ... I am missing something.

Thank you.

Janet

In addition to what you listed, mainly the actions and reactions of Lee and his parents.  I feel that Lee's refusal of DNA, he is hiding something.  I may be wrong Janet, I sure hope that I am, but IMO something just doesn't set right with the paternity of Caylee.  As much as I hope I'm wrong, I still have a feeling that Lee will be confirmed as the father.


mammy....maybe Lee is hiding the fact that he helped Casey dispose of Caylee's body...that much I can imagine...the other, I refuse to go there unless given more evidence of such ....I do respect your right to your opinion thought....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hiding Monkey on October 24, 2008, 01:47:18 PM




Without credible backup ... I will not go there.  False rumors of this magnitude have the ability to destroy lives.

Janet



Thank you Janet for being a voice of reason in this until we have more info.


I wont go there either guys...not yet...
  I agree.  I don't find it odd though that Cindy doesn't remember Eric's last name?  If he was the father, I can't imagine my not remember his name!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: OriginalKat on October 24, 2008, 01:47:48 PM
Good afternoon, Monkeys!!!

I'm just hopping in here for the first time today and have been trying to get caught up.  I have read the reports that were released today and I have to tell you that I got a bit gloomy while reading.  There were just too many words throughout that made me uneasy....words like comparable, similar, could be, not conclusive.  Anyone else agree?   As for the hair on the shovel....it was less than 1/4" in length.  Guess that would probably indicate a man's hair.  Also noticed the reference to Blue Star.  Was that a cleaner that GA used in the car???
Possibly a "new hair" growing in like at the front hairline sometimes could be that length if on a female. Possibly with decomp it fell out easier then if on a live human. JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hiding Monkey on October 24, 2008, 01:48:05 PM
Meant to say, I DO find it odd!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:48:30 PM
POSTING THIS AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK ITS VERY IMPORTANT REGARDING THE SHOVEL.

Quick question. Is the neighbor that provided Casey the shovel African american. I know the Anthonys have an african american neighbor, but if it is the one that let Casey use the shovel. he can be EXCLUDED from being the donor of the hair. The hair is from a Caucasion.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 01:49:03 PM
I am off before I start a riot.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyways ... thanks to all who provided the links to this morning's release of the forensic report.

Later, Janet
11:00 AM PT


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Recovering-Lurker on October 24, 2008, 01:49:54 PM

Hi.  Eric is dead.

Hi Lurker,

Did you know Eric?

When did he die?

Also welcome , glad you are no longer lurking.

welcome-
yes, please do tell if you have info ::MonkeyEek::

Hi.  Thanks for the welcome.
In Cindy's interview, she stated that Eric was the father, but that he had moved, married another woman and started a family.  She said he had died in a car accident.  Also, There was a blog posted on Casey’s myspace that said
RIP Eric James Baker 12/8/83-8/11/07.  I hope that helps.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 01:50:25 PM
Wanna bet that what JB has to explain so that we all finally 'understand' means that he may throw Lee under the bus to keep crazy from the needle.. ::MonkeyEek::

If it is revealed through credible backup that Lee Anthony is the father of Caylee Marie ... I suspect that both the prosecution and the defence will use this to their respective advantages.

Janet

If I was involved in this type of speculation, I would be making a statement.  I can't state that Lee is the father 100%, but there are many things that sure point that way, IMO.

mammy ... I could be wrong but ... I have only read two areas of speculation.

1.  Lee Anthony refused a DNA test.
2.  Lee Anthony refused to take a lie detector test.

It could be that these actions may have everything to do with Lee's participation in the  coverup ... in the disposal of Caylee's remains.

mammy ... please share what other areas of speculation imply that Lee Anthony could be Caylee Marie's father.  Obviously ... I am missing something.

Thank you.

Janet

In addition to what you listed, mainly the actions and reactions of Lee and his parents.  I feel that Lee's refusal of DNA, he is hiding something.  I may be wrong Janet, I sure hope that I am, but IMO something just doesn't set right with the paternity of Caylee.  As much as I hope I'm wrong, I still have a feeling that Lee will be confirmed as the father.


mammy....maybe Lee is hiding the fact that he helped Casey dispose of Caylee's body...that much I can imagine...the other, I refuse to go there unless given more evidence of such ....I do respect your right to your opinion thought....

You could be right Cubbee!  I hope you are and I'm wrong...   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 01:50:34 PM
I am off before I start a riot.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyways ... thanks to all who provided the links to this morning's release of the forensic report.

Later, Janet
11:00 AM PT


Bye Janet.... I am off too.... too bad this computer cannot deliver groceries and a haircut to me.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Praying4Angels on October 24, 2008, 01:50:52 PM
Morning :) 

Tim Hortons coffee, anyone?  (I'm enjoying a large English Toffee. My "usual")  ::MonkeyTongue::



I'm JEALOUS... ::MonkeyWaa::LOVE Tim Horton's and we have none locally....

Need to finish catching up..ya'll were chatty this AM....anything noteworthy??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: guideposts on October 24, 2008, 01:50:55 PM

Do we know if Eric gave DNA to LE or even give a statement??

I have no idea. Does anyone have access to a yearbook from Casey's earlier years in school. Maybe we could figure out who this Eric is that she is talking about. Supposedly this guy moved to KY or somewhere before graduation so maybe a Jr. High yearbook.

Are you speaking of Eric James Baker?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 24, 2008, 01:51:04 PM
KLAAS, PLEASE CHECK YOUR SCARED MONKEYS EMAIL!



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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: WesleyBear on October 24, 2008, 01:52:35 PM
I heard ( and I don't remember where) that Lee Anthony is not Casey's blood brother.  Lee was George's son with another woman, and Casey is Cindy's daughter with another man.  Is this true?  Does anyone know?

....I heard that also.  George is Casey's step father?  Could be wrong.
I also heard that Cindy's mother is Bea Arthur (from Golden Girls..)
I dunno, could be a rumor...?     ::MonkeyEek::

Thanks for answering me.....BTW which golden girl is Bea Arthur?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hiding Monkey on October 24, 2008, 01:52:42 PM
KLAAS, PLEASE CHECK YOUR SCARED MONKEYS EMAIL!



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Think KLAAS is gone.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 01:53:16 PM
Good Lord monkeys,
  Could we please move forward? I do grow so weary with page after page of nothing but pure raw speculation.My friends here are all in a lather over post that don't mean a thing to anyone except to the poster that posted it...Please,this is about little Caylee and no matter if Lee is the father or not,Casey is the one in all probability that killed her and we should be about looking for justice,not devouring one another in the process.It just isn't helpful... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 24, 2008, 01:53:26 PM
After reading these reports and watching NG last night, this is what I think happened.  At least, today this what I think happened.  My thoughts and opinions seem to change from day to day.  I think KC had come to the decision that she had to get out of CA & GA's house because of differences with CA.  She had met Tony and wanted to spend time with him but he wasn't ready to have a little one around. So, KC had to figure how to balance the two...freedom from Mommy Dearest and a life with Tony.  She only needed to keep Caylee hidden at night, as Tony thought KC worked during the day.  While searching the internet for ways to sedate people, she came across the chloroform idea.  The ingredients were inexpensive and easy to make.  She would lower her back passenger seat, make Caylee a "bed" in the back of the car and give her enough of the chloroform to make her sleep.  She probably saturated a cloth with the chemical, so that she would go back to sleep if she woke up.  What she didn't count on was how powerful the fumes would be from the over saturated cloth.  She probably made it all sound like a game to Caylee....hide and seek....and Caylee could "hide" in the trunk, crawling through the reclined back seat.  She waited until Caylee was asleep and then went to Tony.  She may have even checked on Caylee during the night and thought she was sleeping.  Then, in the morning, she realized she was dead and panicked.

Anyway....that's what I'm thinking today!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dejasade on October 24, 2008, 01:53:37 PM
I heard ( and I don't remember where) that Lee Anthony is not Casey's blood brother.  Lee was George's son with another woman, and Casey is Cindy's daughter with another man.  Is this true?  Does anyone know?

....I heard that also.  George is Casey's step father?  Could be wrong.
I also heard that Cindy's mother is Bea Arthur (from Golden Girls..)
I dunno, could be a rumor...?     ::MonkeyEek::


~ she is the MOM...the oldest one I believe.  Her and Cindy kinda look alike..now that I think about it  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thanks for answering me.....BTW which golden girl is Bea Arthur?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 01:54:35 PM
POSTING THIS AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK ITS VERY IMPORTANT REGARDING THE SHOVEL.

Quick question. Is the neighbor that provided Casey the shovel African american. I know the Anthonys have an african american neighbor, but if it is the one that let Casey use the shovel. he can be EXCLUDED from being the donor of the hair. The hair is from a Caucasion.

Great question.  Yes, the hair was Caucasian and did not belong to Casey or Caylee. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: WesleyBear on October 24, 2008, 01:55:44 PM
I heard ( and I don't remember where) that Lee Anthony is not Casey's blood brother.  Lee was George's son with another woman, and Casey is Cindy's daughter with another man.  Is this true?  Does anyone know?

....I heard that also.  George is Casey's step father?  Could be wrong.
I also heard that Cindy's mother is Bea Arthur (from Golden Girls..)
I dunno, could be a rumor...?     ::MonkeyEek::


~ she is the MOM...the oldest one I believe.  Her and Cindy kinda look alike..now that I think about it  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thanks for answering me.....BTW which golden girl is Bea Arthur?

yes you are right!  They do look alike.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 01:55:59 PM
Klaas
I downloaded that program. Now I have to learn how to use it. LOL  Woe is me!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 01:56:10 PM
POSTING THIS AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK ITS VERY IMPORTANT REGARDING THE SHOVEL.

Quick question. Is the neighbor that provided Casey the shovel African american. I know the Anthonys have an african american neighbor, but if it is the one that let Casey use the shovel. he can be EXCLUDED from being the donor of the hair. The hair is from a Caucasion.

I don't think so.  I believe I saw him on an interview and he appeared to be caucasian


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:56:40 PM
If you guys look at the part of the files that talk about pizza, It says no pizza was found in the car. They did take a pizza for a control subject to see if maggots grew on it but it clearly states that NO PIZZA was found in the car. I guess it was a pizza box. Remember Cindy's yelling NO ODOR. Hey cindy- NO PIZZA!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:57:43 PM
I DID NOT mean maggots grew on the pizza. I meant to say no maggots were found on the pizza they used as a control subject. I read again and it looked idiotic!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 01:58:39 PM
Good Lord monkeys,
  Could we please move forward? I do grow so weary with page after page of nothing but pure raw speculation.My friends here are all in a lather over post that don't mean a thing to anyone except to the poster that posted it...Please,this is about little Caylee and no matter if Lee is the father or not,Casey is the one in all probability that killed her and we should be about looking for justice,not devouring one another in the process.It just isn't helpful... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm sorry if I offended you Tater.  All of us speculate at one time or another.  I respect everyone's opionions, but expect respect in return.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 01:59:06 PM
POSTING THIS AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK ITS VERY IMPORTANT REGARDING THE SHOVEL.

Quick question. Is the neighbor that provided Casey the shovel African american. I know the Anthonys have an african american neighbor, but if it is the one that let Casey use the shovel. he can be EXCLUDED from being the donor of the hair. The hair is from a Caucasion.

I don't think so.  I believe I saw him on an interview and he appeared to be caucasian

Thanks for answering. It must have been the neighbor on the other side that she borrowed it from. Would have been conclusive had he been Af-american and it would have ruled him out as a possible donor of hair.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sam on October 24, 2008, 01:59:30 PM
I heard ( and I don't remember where) that Lee Anthony is not Casey's blood brother.  Lee was George's son with another woman, and Casey is Cindy's daughter with another man.  Is this true?  Does anyone know?

....I heard that also.  George is Casey's step father?  Could be wrong.
I also heard that Cindy's mother is Bea Arthur (from Golden Girls..)
I dunno, could be a rumor...?     ::MonkeyEek::

I have no proof one way or the other but my personal opinion is both Casey and Lee are Georges and Cindys biological children. Also because of the Mitochondrial DNA is passed from the mother. So that imply s Lee as also being the child of Cindy. So rumor IMO
Sam


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 02:00:16 PM
And last time I looked I don't think pizza has any components of HUMAN DNA either. So that means that the pizza was not dead.  Now, that sounds really stupid...but it's true.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: OriginalKat on October 24, 2008, 02:01:27 PM
It seems to me that Lee evidently cares for his sis alot to be taking her to lawyer office some of those weeks, trying to talk to her at the beginning to find out what was going on, etc. I think he would want to do anything to help his sister not be put away for life or get the needle. If his DNA could be something to help that then why wouldn't he do that? I think he does seem to point towards covering up something.

I can see Baez in court before the judge...We would like the car and all evidence thrown out...my client is innocent. There is nothing to prove the child is dead or that she had anything to do with any harm to her child. Duh!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 02:03:06 PM
And last time I looked I don't think pizza has any components of HUMAN DNA either. So that means that the pizza was not dead.  Now, that sounds really stupid...but it's true.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Not stupid at all!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 02:03:12 PM


from wftv:

"Cindy Anthony also told detectives that Caylee's father is an old friend of Casey's from school who moved to Tennessee or Kentucky and later died. She said it was a one night thing when both were going through a rough patch and she only remembers his first name was Eric."


IMO there is no way Cindy would NOT know the last name of Caylee's bioDad, as well as everything else about him/family. She is a nurse and knows the importance for medical purposes of knowing the history of both parents. IMO this is more of Cindy's BS

good point, but as a grandparent who was basically in a parental role- she may have feared the possibility of Caylee being taken away or shared custody more


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dejasade on October 24, 2008, 02:03:24 PM
I agree that the neighbor does seem to appear to be caucasian..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: WesleyBear on October 24, 2008, 02:06:06 PM
I agree that the neighbor does seem to appear to be caucasian..

Which neighbor are you talking about?  Because I thought the neighbor with the shovel appeared to be phillipino?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 02:06:33 PM
Good Lord monkeys,
  Could we please move forward? I do grow so weary with page after page of nothing but pure raw speculation.My friends here are all in a lather over post that don't mean a thing to anyone except to the poster that posted it...Please,this is about little Caylee and no matter if Lee is the father or not,Casey is the one in all probability that killed her and we should be about looking for justice,not devouring one another in the process.It just isn't helpful... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think if Lee is the father, it is critical to the "why" in this sordid story.  There is never an excuse, but if true, this makes Casey a victim of sorts as her mom continues to say Casey is a victim as much as Caylee.  If she was abused, and she was forced to take responsibility for a child between Lee and her, then all of her behavior is given meaning.  This would explain why Cindy is so adamant on protecting her daughter.  She would feel guilty for all that she has done to Casey.  Caylee is the ultimate victim, but Casey was a victim of her brother.  Cindy would have no choice but to protect Casey, it protects Lee, and it protects the deep dark secret they might have all been hiding.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 02:06:40 PM

I agree.  I don't find it odd though that Cindy doesn't remember Eric's last name?  If he was the father, I can't imagine my not remember his name!



Hidding Monkey ... I believe that maybe Cindy never wanted the father or his family involved in Caylee's life.  It is a selfish move but ... it happens.  Friends of our went that route when their daughter had a baby a few years back and ... the father lived in another province and ... was no longer involved in their daughter's life and ... was unaware of the pregnancy.  Right or wrong and ... I believe it was wrong ... the decision was made in a sincere desire to avoid future complications in their daughter and grandaughter's lives.

I have no idea if the Eric in the following article is the Eric who Cindy was talking about but ... some Monkeys believe it may be.

Janet 

+++++++

Cindy Anthony Talks To Investigators About Zanny, Caylee In Newly Released Interview
POSTED: 4:35 pm EDT September 26, 2008
UPDATED: 10:30 pm EDT September 28, 2008


Cindy Anthony also told detectives that Caylee's father is an old friend of Casey's from school who moved to Tennessee or Kentucky and later died. She said it was a one night thing when both were going through a rough patch and she only remembers his first name was Eric.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567283/detail.html


Cooper granted shock probation in theft case
By BARBARA GOLDMAN, Staff Writer
Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:13 AM EDT

 
Also Friday, Joseph K. Pruitt, 18, failed to make a court appearance due to a car wreck involving a close family member. Pruitt was scheduled for sentencing.

Pruitt was indicted in August 2007, by a Mason County grand jury on charges of reckless homicide and first-degree wanton endangerment for allegedly operating a vehicle at a high rate of speed after having smoked marijuana, then crashing into the back of a tractor-trailer at the intersection of Kentucky 9 and U.S. 68.

A change of plea was also entered as guilty in July, and a sentence of five years was agreed upon.

According to information previously provided by police, on May 3, 2007, Pruitt was driving a 1992 Dodge Dynasty, reportedly on the way to a midnight premiere of the movie "Spiderman 3," with two friends. Eric Baker, 18, and a female juvenile were sitting in the back seat of the vehicle. Police said the tractor-trailer was stopped at the red-light in the northbound lane when the accident occurred around 11:30 p.m.
   
Upon impact, the Dodge Dynasty Pruitt was driving under rode the trailer, causing extensive damage to the vehicle, police said. Baker died as a result of injuries sustained in the accident.

The case went before a jury in late May, but a mistrial was declared due to a technicality during witness testimony. According to Commonwealth's Attorney Gary Adkins, who prosecuted the case, Officer Larry Farris of the Kentucky Motor Vehicle Enforcement inadvertently mentioned a polygraph, which was not allowed to be raised in a trial. Pruitt's defense attorney, Thomas Alig of Vincent and Alig in Covington, asked that a mistrial be granted and Adkins said he agreed it was appropriate. A mistrial was then ordered by Wood.

Pruitt has failed to call and set up a probation and parol appointment as ordered, court officials said Friday. He will be sentenced Oct. 24.

Pruitt was ordered by Wood to call and make an appointment. If he fails to make the call, a bench warrant will be issued for his arrest, court officials

http://www.maysville-online.com/articles/2008/09/19/local_news/923cooper.txt

Credit: invsion


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dejasade on October 24, 2008, 02:06:40 PM
I agree that the neighbor does seem to appear to be caucasian..

Which neighbor are you talking about?  Because I thought the neighbor with the shovel appeared to be phillipino?


....I think you are quite mistaken - JMO  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 24, 2008, 02:10:09 PM
I think that all Monkeys are entitled to their opinions about this case.  Sharing ideas is the best thing about being a Monkey.  Reading other ideas helps us to open our minds to new thoughts and opinions.  Like I said in an earlier post, I seem to change my mind about this case on a daily basis, usually after reading some of the really great posts by my fellow Monkeys.  I do, however, believe that we need to take great caution when making statements that could appear to be personal attacks, unless we can prove what we are stating.  It's always, especially in this case, best to begin a post with IMO....as we never know who may be lurking.  I would hate to think any of my Monkey buddies might have CA come after them for a personal liability, due to erroneous statements made on this, or any other, board.  So...let's just keep on sharing ideas and see if we can figure out what may have happened to this precious little Caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:10:51 PM
I agree that the neighbor does seem to appear to be caucasian..

Which neighbor are you talking about?  Because I thought the neighbor with the shovel appeared to be phillipino?


....I think you are quite mistaken - JMO  ::MonkeyEek::

There may be an interview of that man with the news telling his story. I know some of you here have EXCELLENT skills finding interviews and such. If anyone could find that it would be worth the time finding it to confirm if that hair could be ruled out as being an donor of hair.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 02:12:57 PM
I think that all Monkeys are entitled to their opinions about this case.  Sharing ideas is the best thing about being a Monkey.  Reading other ideas helps us to open our minds to new thoughts and opinions.  Like I said in an earlier post, I seem to change my mind about this case on a daily basis, usually after reading some of the really great posts by my fellow Monkeys.  I do, however, believe that we need to take great caution when making statements that could appear to be personal attacks, unless we can prove what we are stating.  It's always, especially in this case, best to begin a post with IMO....as we never know who may be lurking.  I would hate to think any of my Monkey buddies might have CA come after them for a personal liability, due to erroneous statements made on this, or any other, board.  So...let's just keep on sharing ideas and see if we can figure out what may have happened to this precious little Caylee.

I agree!  If I didn't say IMO, I stand corrected as it was only my opinion.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 02:13:11 PM
Okay, please excuse this interuption for one minute 4 me.  Russ, in your take on the case a bit back you listed about "denying she was 7 months pregnant at her brother Lee's wedding". 
I didn't know Lee was married.  Sorry, just wondering.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:13:36 PM
One thing I noticed by the forensic evidence is it looks like Caylee was not in any airtight container at first. It would be possible that she was in a blanket that body fluids could leak through. That also does not rule out her being in something and it seeped out or came open, but I will say she was not in an airtight container of any sort at that early decomp time.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sam on October 24, 2008, 02:14:00 PM
Thanks recovering Lurker for giving us a name.

Eric James Baker


I should have copied the dates you gave as well  of his birth and death. Now I am going to have to back and find it but do believe he was older than 18 at death.

Next Bea Arthur is not Cindy's Mom. Cindy's Mom is alive and well.

Sam


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 02:14:16 PM

According to information previously provided by police, on May 3, 2007, Pruitt was driving a 1992 Dodge Dynasty, reportedly on the way to a midnight premiere of the movie "Spiderman 3," with two friends. Eric Baker, 18, and a female juvenile were sitting in the back seat of the vehicle. Police said the tractor-trailer was stopped at the red-light in the northbound lane when the accident occurred around 11:30 p.m.
   
Upon impact, the Dodge Dynasty Pruitt was driving under rode the trailer, causing extensive damage to the vehicle, police said. Baker died as a result of injuries sustained in the accident.

http://www.maysville-online.com/articles/2008/09/19/local_news/923cooper.txt

Credit: invsion

http://www.1710brooklyn.com/awhc/firstcar.htm  Check out the pictures to see what the car might look like.   Interestingly enough, there's a caption under one of the pictures that says: ""Woah... you could fit TWO bodies in here!"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 02:14:17 PM
Good Lord monkeys,
  Could we please move forward? I do grow so weary with page after page of nothing but pure raw speculation.My friends here are all in a lather over post that don't mean a thing to anyone except to the poster that posted it...Please,this is about little Caylee and no matter if Lee is the father or not,Casey is the one in all probability that killed her and we should be about looking for justice,not devouring one another in the process.It just isn't helpful... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think if Lee is the father, it is critical to the "why" in this sordid story.  There is never an excuse, but if true, this makes Casey a victim of sorts as her mom continues to say Casey is a victim as much as Caylee.  If she was abused, and she was forced to take responsibility for a child between Lee and her, then all of her behavior is given meaning.  This would explain why Cindy is so adamant on protecting her daughter.  She would feel guilty for all that she has done to Casey.  Caylee is the ultimate victim, but Casey was a victim of her brother.  Cindy would have no choice but to protect Casey, it protects Lee, and it protects the deep dark secret they might have all been hiding.

You see Russ?It's that big *If* that is upsetting many of us.I have my doubts that Cindy could force a 19 year old to do anything,let alone keep a baby.It all sounds like a big perverted book and if it's true,someone will make millions and poor little Casey will be justified and Caylee will still be dead!!!!! I tell ya,I'm not a cussing woman but I sure am on the edge...Justice for Caylee,not Casey..Some people are just evil Russ and that's just the way it is...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 02:14:22 PM
This is such a tragedy here and I guess I am going a little soft right now, but Baez does not need to allow Casey to go through this trial.  The evidence proves there was a dead body in the trunk of Casey's car...he knows this.  I can deduct that from just reading and I am not near as smart as he is.  He should get his client a deal in some way.  There is no good reason to allow Casey to be put to death here.  The LE gave her every opportunity to make that leap...Casey wouldn't do it.   There are many kinds of accidents and Casey wanted her freedom. We all know that compromise is a good thing on occasion and I am willing to compromise with Casey in hopes to find Caylee and bury her properly. It is a tragedy of magnitude proportions. Everyone loses here. I just can't see anyone wanting to put her through this trial when they have the one bargaining chip that would be to Casey's advantage...the location of Caylee's body.  The gig is up, Baez...help your client and convince her that she's going to prison on some kind of charges regardless.  Her own family should have enough mercy to beg for this...I do not think the prosecution wants to put Casey to death unless they have no other choice.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  We can never bring precious Caylee back, but she can have a final resting place and some part of the Anthony family can gain some type of peace if Casey would just tell what happened.  Baez is doing his client no good pushing for this case to  continue.  He knows that and so do all of us.  Find Caylee and bring her home and right now the one person that can do that is Casey.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:14:41 PM
Okay, please excuse this interuption for one minute 4 me.  Russ, in your take on the case a bit back you listed about "denying she was 7 months pregnant at her brother Lee's wedding". 
I didn't know Lee was married.  Sorry, just wondering.


Not Lees wedding. It was CINDYS brother. I know I am not Ross but I believe this is what the mistake was.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blaze on October 24, 2008, 02:14:42 PM
Maybe KC was the victim of rape. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 02:15:05 PM
Okay, please excuse this interuption for one minute 4 me.  Russ, in your take on the case a bit back you listed about "denying she was 7 months pregnant at her brother Lee's wedding". 
I didn't know Lee was married.  Sorry, just wondering.

I thought it was Cindy's brother Rick's wedding.  I could be mistaken.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 02:15:36 PM
Okay, please excuse this interuption for one minute 4 me.  Russ, in your take on the case a bit back you listed about "denying she was 7 months pregnant at her brother Lee's wedding". 
I didn't know Lee was married.  Sorry, just wondering.

I thought it was Cindy's brother Rick's wedding.  I could be mistaken.


It was...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Sam on October 24, 2008, 02:15:37 PM

Hi.  Eric is dead.

Hi Lurker,

Did you know Eric?

When did he die?

Also welcome , glad you are no longer lurking.

welcome-
yes, please do tell if you have info ::MonkeyEek::

Hi.  Thanks for the welcome.
In Cindy's interview, she stated that Eric was the father, but that he had moved, married another woman and started a family.  She said he had died in a car accident.  Also, There was a blog posted on Casey’s myspace that said
RIP Eric James Baker 12/8/83-8/11/07.  I hope that helps.


Just bringing this forward for those who may have missed it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 24, 2008, 02:16:51 PM
If Caylee's father was killed in an automobile accident chances are good that there might have been some insurance money involved. IMO, both C and KC seem to be pretty sharp when it comes to money.  If the father was young, chances are good that Caylee may have been his only child.  Don't you think CA would have attempted to get insurance money, as Caylee would have been the next-of-kin???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: oldfart on October 24, 2008, 02:16:51 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.
Ummm  I'm betting the hair belonged to the owner of the shovel ~ THE Neighbor or member of their family.    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 02:16:55 PM
Maybe KC was the victim of rape. 

It could be, but it's hard to rape the willing, IMO.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:17:07 PM
This is such a tragedy here and I guess I am going a little soft right now, but Baez does not need to allow Casey to go through this trial.  The evidence proves there was a dead body in the trunk of Casey's car...he knows this.  I can deduct that from just reading and I am not near as smart as he is.  He should get his client a deal in some way.  There is no good reason to allow Casey to be put to death here.  The LE gave her every opportunity to make that leap...Casey wouldn't do it.   There are many kinds of accidents and Casey wanted her freedom. We all know that compromise is a good thing on occasion and I am willing to compromise with Casey in hopes to find Caylee and bury her properly. It is a tragedy of magnitude proportions. Everyone loses here. I just can't see anyone wanting to put her through this trial when they have the one bargaining chip that would be to Casey's advantage...the location of Caylee's body.  The gig is up, Baez...help your client and convince her that she's going to prison on some kind of charges regardless.  Her own family should have enough mercy to beg for this...I do not think the prosecution wants to put Casey to death unless they have no other choice.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  We can never bring precious Caylee back, but she can have a final resting place and some part of the Anthony family can gain some type of peace if Casey would just tell what happened.  Baez is doing his client no good pushing for this case to  continue.  He knows that and so do all of us.  Find Caylee and bring her home and right now the one person that can do that is Casey.


I think it would benefit Casey to do so but I am worried that she is so narcissistic that she will NEVER admit to it. I think she would rather spend her life in prison than to admit what she did. That is how narcissists are. We could only hope she dos talk because she would tell where the body is at that point.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 02:17:44 PM
Okay, please excuse this interuption for one minute 4 me.  Russ, in your take on the case a bit back you listed about "denying she was 7 months pregnant at her brother Lee's wedding". 
I didn't know Lee was married.  Sorry, just wondering.

I thought it was Cindy's brother Rick's wedding.  I could be mistaken.

Thanx for that.

It was...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 02:17:49 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.
Ummm  I'm betting the hair belonged to the owner of the shovel ~ THE Neighbor or member of their family.    ::MonkeyEek::



I have been looking for you and your bags of salt OF....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 02:17:59 PM
I agree that the neighbor does seem to appear to be caucasian..

Which neighbor are you talking about?  Because I thought the neighbor with the shovel appeared to be phillipino?


....I think you are quite mistaken - JMO  ::MonkeyEek::


Brian Burner does not sound like a Phillipino to me.

 However ... I have a Japanese last name and ... I am not Japanese ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

______

Transcript of Brian Burner interview on July 30, 2008
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092308brianburner/indexGallery.htm




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 02:19:19 PM
This is such a tragedy here and I guess I am going a little soft right now, but Baez does not need to allow Casey to go through this trial.  The evidence proves there was a dead body in the trunk of Casey's car...he knows this.  I can deduct that from just reading and I am not near as smart as he is.  He should get his client a deal in some way.  There is no good reason to allow Casey to be put to death here.  The LE gave her every opportunity to make that leap...Casey wouldn't do it.   There are many kinds of accidents and Casey wanted her freedom. We all know that compromise is a good thing on occasion and I am willing to compromise with Casey in hopes to find Caylee and bury her properly. It is a tragedy of magnitude proportions. Everyone loses here. I just can't see anyone wanting to put her through this trial when they have the one bargaining chip that would be to Casey's advantage...the location of Caylee's body.  The gig is up, Baez...help your client and convince her that she's going to prison on some kind of charges regardless.  Her own family should have enough mercy to beg for this...I do not think the prosecution wants to put Casey to death unless they have no other choice.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  We can never bring precious Caylee back, but she can have a final resting place and some part of the Anthony family can gain some type of peace if Casey would just tell what happened.  Baez is doing his client no good pushing for this case to  continue.  He knows that and so do all of us.  Find Caylee and bring her home and right now the one person that can do that is Casey.

Very good post!! I do however think Casey getting the death penalty will be next to imposible unless Caylee is found..jmo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:19:37 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.
Ummm  I'm betting the hair belonged to the owner of the shovel ~ THE Neighbor or member of their family.    ::MonkeyEek::


 Hey Old Fart- That is what I was thinking as well, then I remembered that they have an african american neighbor that could have been the one that she borrowed the shovel from. Looks like most people here remember here as being Caucasian so it may just be that neighbors hair and not any accomplices as good news at that would be to know, if she did have one.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:21:18 PM
I agree that the neighbor does seem to appear to be caucasian..

Which neighbor are you talking about?  Because I thought the neighbor with the shovel appeared to be phillipino?


....I think you are quite mistaken - JMO  ::MonkeyEek::


Brian Burner does not sound like a Phillipino to me.

 However ... I have a Japanese last name and ... I am not Japanese ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

______

Transcript of Brian Burner interview on July 30, 2008
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092308brianburner/indexGallery.htm





That name does sound American but if someone is adopted or really lots of ways to have a last name that may not be related to your race, Its possible buy you are probably right.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 24, 2008, 02:21:45 PM
In a case like this, dna and paternity are huge issues.  Lee once used the Pontiac and as a family member, it is natural that his dna might be in the trunk.  The only way to know is to get his dna and that of the rest of the family.  If his dna is very different from Casey's, it would mean that he is not her brother but her half-brother or perhaps an adopted brother.  As far as I know, he is her full brother.  But dna of all participants is of importance and relevance.  I think paternity of Caylee is important, too, because the police have to eliminate all possibilities of someone outside the Anthony family having Caylee at this moment.  If Caylee's father is still alive and aware that she is his daughter, that is relevant.  If he is dead and his family knows that Caylee is their grandchild, that is relevant too, if for no other reason than to eliminate them as suspects.  I don't think that the father of Caylee has her.  But we need to know who he is, where he is, etc.  It is part of the case.  If it turns out he is a member of the Anthony clan, that is relevant, but so far there is no proof of that.  I do wonder about the intense secrecy regarding the father of Caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: funkymonkey on October 24, 2008, 02:22:04 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!

Please do NOT slam other posters....she is not here to respond to your statement...you promise, huh....we we have already figured that out...so your promise isn't too earth shattering.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

You guys really over-react to the smallest statement. I did not slam her. I simply stated my opinion and I will not respond to another post about this. I DO NOT have to defend my own opinions. Its my right.

You DID Slam her.....you called her a LIAR. It is not your right to call another poster a LIAR unless you can PROVE IT! and so far you have NOT. You come on here talking about a hint you got and no one is calling you a LIAR but I can safely say that not everyone here believes you and is hanging on your every word.  And frankly I don't give a darn if your respond or not....Its MY right!

(http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/images/smilies/This_and_That/popcorn.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 02:22:13 PM
If Caylee's father was killed in an automobile accident chances are good that there might have been some insurance money involved. IMO, both C and KC seem to be pretty sharp when it comes to money.  If the father was young, chances are good that Caylee may have been his only child.  Don't you think CA would have attempted to get insurance money, as Caylee would have been the next-of-kin???

Not if he was never declared to be the father.I don't think so and I would doubt someone that young to have a very big insurance policy if any at all..jmo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 02:23:01 PM
Okay, please excuse this interuption for one minute 4 me.  Russ, in your take on the case a bit back you listed about "denying she was 7 months pregnant at her brother Lee's wedding". 
I didn't know Lee was married.  Sorry, just wondering.

I meant Cindy's brother Rick.  Sorry about that.  He got married when Casey was 7 months pregnant and very obviously pregnant.  Cindy and Casey denied she was pregnant.  Casey said "I would have had to have sex to get pregnant".  A month later the news broke in the family.  At that time they said they didn't want the father involved.  Subsequently, my theory is that Casey had a choice of what to tell the outside world about it.  She evolved into choosing someone that died but the family gave conflicting choices of names and didn't know the name. 

Given the choice:
1. The father was a one night stand and I have no clue who.
2. The father was married, moved away, and died.
3. The father is my brother.

What do you think she would choose?  She chose something to invoke sympathy.  She needed sympathy as Caylee got older because Caylee usurped the first position with her dominant mother.  I think she resented that.  I think she had dreams of getting attention from having the burden become a missing daughter, whereby she could take the first position in the family again.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 02:23:03 PM
HELLO?!?!

NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS ->

Quote
Hair found on a shovel did NOT come from either Casey or Caylee, according to a DNA test.

Here is your accomplice and the reason the Anthonys were asked for a DNA sample. As I have been saying - the LE had / has evidence there was a DNA sample from someone and it did not match Casey or Caylee and wanted to see if there was a match in the family.

The fact that the hair was located on an implement USED to dispose of the body tells you all you need to know.
Ummm  I'm betting the hair belonged to the owner of the shovel ~ THE Neighbor or member of their family.    ::MonkeyEek::



I have been looking for you and your bags of salt OF....

 :smt046 :smt046 :smt046  I walked away for a while and come back to this.... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dejasade on October 24, 2008, 02:23:58 PM
I agree that the neighbor does seem to appear to be caucasian..

Which neighbor are you talking about?  Because I thought the neighbor with the shovel appeared to be phillipino?



....Janet ~ that is TRUE ~ I have a Pacific-Islander last name (from marriage) and i'm caucasian :)

....I think you are quite mistaken - JMO  ::MonkeyEek::


Brian Burner does not sound like a Phillipino to me.

 However ... I have a Japanese last name and ... I am not Japanese ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

______

Transcript of Brian Burner interview on July 30, 2008
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092308brianburner/indexGallery.htm





That name does sound American but if someone is adopted or really lots of ways to have a last name that may not be related to your race, Its possible buy you are probably right.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blaze on October 24, 2008, 02:24:52 PM
Maybe KC was the victim of rape. 

It could be, but it's hard to rape the willing, IMO.

What's wierd to me, is her friends that have known her identify that she was "straight laced", never did any drugs, etc.  What happened to her, why the change?  That's was makes me wonder if she was raped and never got help in dealing with it. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 02:25:30 PM
LALA - I gave you a big Hear Hear for your post, but it went Poof,       just Pooof!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 24, 2008, 02:25:35 PM
Everyone should read page 22 and 23 Air Sampling summary.

67% known to be associated with decomposition.
Out of 16 compounds....7 were significant HUMAN  decomp chemicals.


Casey Anthony had a decomposing HUMAN body in the trunk of her car! That is the conclusion here...it's there in black and white.  A jury will see that and hear the testimony from the people that performed the tests.

Do wh know if Casey was buying a lot of ICE?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:25:44 PM
If Caylee's father was killed in an automobile accident chances are good that there might have been some insurance money involved. IMO, both C and KC seem to be pretty sharp when it comes to money.  If the father was young, chances are good that Caylee may have been his only child.  Don't you think CA would have attempted to get insurance money, as Caylee would have been the next-of-kin???

Not if he was never declared to be the father.I don't think so and I would doubt someone that young to have a very big insurance policy if any at all..jmo


That is what I would think they would do as money-grubbing as they are. They will do anything to get money and they could prove paternity and get SS benefits for Caylee if the father is deceased even if it hadn't been proven. My Sis's Child was given a DNA test after the father had died and she receives SS benefits because of that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 02:26:08 PM
Maybe KC was the victim of rape. 

It could be, but it's hard to rape the willing, IMO.

What's wierd to me, is her friends that have known her identify that she was "straight laced", never did any drugs, etc.  What happened to her, why the change?  That's was makes me wonder if she was raped and never got help in dealing with it. 


Being burdened with a deep dark secret, never getting help for abuse of that nature such as rape, would explain some of the behavior.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 24, 2008, 02:26:25 PM
If Caylee's father was killed in an automobile accident chances are good that there might have been some insurance money involved. IMO, both C and KC seem to be pretty sharp when it comes to money.  If the father was young, chances are good that Caylee may have been his only child.  Don't you think CA would have attempted to get insurance money, as Caylee would have been the next-of-kin???

Not if he was never declared to be the father.I don't think so and I would doubt someone that young to have a very big insurance policy if any at all..jmo

I wasn't thinking that the dad would have a huge life insurance policy but in many cases, especially if he was a passenger, automobile insurance would have come into play....especially where a death was involved.  In many states, auto insurance is mandatory.  If the deceased was a passenger, a lawsuit could have been filed by family on his behalf. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:26:41 PM
Everyone should read page 22 and 23 Air Sampling summary.

67% known to be associated with decomposition.
Out of 16 compounds....7 were significant HUMAN  decomp chemicals.


Casey Anthony had a decomposing HUMAN body in the trunk of her car! That is the conclusion here...it's there in black and white.  A jury will see that and hear the testimony from the people that performed the tests.

Do wh know if Casey was buying a lot of ICE?


That would be vital to know. That is a key component to making the chloroform properly.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 02:27:43 PM

Hi.  Eric is dead.

Hi Lurker,

Did you know Eric?

When did he die?

Also welcome , glad you are no longer lurking.

welcome-
yes, please do tell if you have info ::MonkeyEek::

Hi.  Thanks for the welcome.
In Cindy's interview, she stated that Eric was the father, but that he had moved, married another woman and started a family.  She said he had died in a car accident.  Also, There was a blog posted on Casey’s myspace that said
RIP Eric James Baker 12/8/83-8/11/07.  I hope that helps.


Just bringing this forward for those who may have missed it.

I also think I read somewhere that Casey said he died while on his way to Caylee's birthday party. Caylee's Bday is on the 9th- which would have been thurs and the 11lth would have been a sat in '07. Not that I believe it- but it could be why Casey tells people he's the father- more drama.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 24, 2008, 02:28:19 PM
Lee is not married, and it was Cindy's brother Rick who said that Casey was obviously pregnant at his wedding but the Anthonys were denying it. 

Concerning the secrecy about the father of Caylee, so many questions arise.  Why be so secretive?  Lots of girls have children out of wedlock these days.  Why telll Jesse he was the father?  The answer had to have been money and/or support, but he was ruled out by a paternity test.  If the father is deceased, Caylee would be entitled to some social security benefits, but Casey would have to provide proof of paternity, I am sure.  It is unlike the Anthonys of overlook help from the father or his family.  Something is strange about the paternity.  Their lying and secrecy is almost paranoid.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 02:29:35 PM
Lee is not married, and it was Cindy's brother Rick who said that Casey was obviously pregnant at his wedding but the Anthonys were denying it. 

Concerning the secrecy about the father of Caylee, so many questions arise.  Why be so secretive?  Lots of girls have children out of wedlock these days.  Why telll Jesse he was the father?  The answer had to have been money and/or support, but he was ruled out by a paternity test.  If the father is deceased, Caylee would be entitled to some social security benefits, but Casey would have to provide proof of paternity, I am sure.  It is unlike the Anthonys of overlook help from the father or his family.  Something is strange about the paternity.  Their lying and secrecy is almost paranoid.


Precisely. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 02:30:39 PM
I am trying so hard to keep up.  Where and in what context did the guy say they knew who the father was?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: oldfart on October 24, 2008, 02:31:23 PM
You DID Slam her.....you called her a LIAR. It is not your right to call another poster a LIAR unless you can PROVE IT! and so far you have NOT. You come on here talking about a hint you got and no one is calling you a LIAR but I can safely say that not everyone here believes you and is hanging on your every word.  And frankly I don't give a darn if your respond or not....Its MY right!

 ::MonkeyDance::  Sunnny Thank You  for saying this for ME !!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 02:31:41 PM
Perhaps they did not want the father to come forward and try to take custody of Caylee away from Casey? Dunnoo.....I am not saying that Lee IS NOT the father...just saying I DONT KNOW...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blaze on October 24, 2008, 02:31:50 PM
KC saying she had a miscarriage, IMO, I don't know if this is even true. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 24, 2008, 02:32:45 PM
Ann and Tater are right.  Automobile insurance, social security benefits, plus if the parents of the guy have money, Caylee could come into an inheritance one day.  It seems odd they would cut the man out of the family so completely just because he moved out of state.  I am skeptical.  Maybe they worried that he or his family would seek custody of Caylee, but they would have to have exceptional reason to do that.  Maybe they worried about visitation rights.  Or he may have been an unsavory character.

As for Cindy, I think she was so domineering with Casey and over-protective, that she could have imposed her will on Casey in hundreds of ways, including having her keep the baby.  "If you give her away, you will regret it forever.  I will help you raise her."



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 02:32:48 PM
I am trying so hard to keep up.  Where and in what context did the guy say they knew who the father was?

Shasta - it was Dr. Baden and he was talking on FOXNEWS that he believes LE knows who Caylee's father is based upon the DNA they have.  He sounded certain that LE would know the identity and also sounded as if he knew the identity based upon DNA.  He did not elaborate as to WHO he believed the father was.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: irishbosoxfan on October 24, 2008, 02:33:21 PM
Hey all I wanted to post about the Forensics and hopefully clear some things up--Cubbeegirl on page 40 had it pretty much right

A lot of people said they're disappointed with the release because it didn't show much--however it told a lot if you can understand it as a whole

It shows that Caylee either A)died in the trunk or B)she was placed there very quickly after having died
and
that she was left there for no more than 2 1/2 days then her body was removed

The report did not say 1 hair---it said 1 hair with a death band--now other hairs didn't show the the band

Shovel--nothing of value was found meaning no evidence it was used to dispose of the body--this is the only item where the evidence was used up---however they do have the DNA profile from the testing so it is available to be run in the future against as anyone they choose//////the hair not matching Caylee or Casey does not mean accomplice more than likely it is the neighbors hair as he was the primary owner of the shovel

No maggots on control pizza means that there is maggots involved with the evidence collected but they could not be replicated using the pizza as the test item(even though no pizza was found in the car at all)

The report does not give us a clear indication of when Caylee died--it still remains anywhere between June 15th and June 30th

A lot of the language around "deprived oxygen conditions" is convoluted basically all it means is that the body started to decompse in an oxygen free environment--meaning she wasn't left anywhere in the backyard after she died--my opinion is she died in the trunk and was left there for 2 days till she was removed



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: pinkbanana on October 24, 2008, 02:34:16 PM
Bye for  now Monkey Family.

Must get back to work... ::MonkeyHaHa::


pbxo  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 02:35:04 PM
I am trying so hard to keep up.  Where and in what context did the guy say they knew who the father was?

Shasta - it was Dr. Baden and he was talking on FOXNEWS that he believes LE knows who Caylee's father is based upon the DNA they have.  He sounded certain that LE would know the identity and also sounded as if he knew the identity based upon DNA.  He did not elaborate as to WHO he believed the father was.


True.  In context of this release he seems to know.  The only way he would know is if the child's parents are also family members. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 02:36:01 PM
I am trying so hard to keep up.  Where and in what context did the guy say they knew who the father was?

Shasta - it was Dr. Baden and he was talking on FOXNEWS that he believes LE knows who Caylee's father is based upon the DNA they have.  He sounded certain that LE would know the identity and also sounded as if he knew the identity based upon DNA.  He did not elaborate as to WHO he believed the father was.

Ok, thought it was in a written report.  I don't have cable so was not able to pick it up on Fox News.  thank you


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharon on October 24, 2008, 02:36:17 PM
If you guys look at the part of the files that talk about pizza, It says no pizza was found in the car. They did take a pizza for a control subject to see if maggots grew on it but it clearly states that NO PIZZA was found in the car. I guess it was a pizza box. Remember Cindy's yelling NO ODOR. Hey cindy- NO PIZZA!!

I found that incredibly interesting as well -- as I thought that Padilla told us that KC ordered a pizza and put it in her trunk to try to disguise the smell of the dead body.

Anyone else remember Mr Padilla saying that -- I think on Nancy Grace??

I read the transcript. He was very specific??

I guess he was wrong? Or I'm wrong and I imagined the conversation??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blaze on October 24, 2008, 02:36:25 PM
KC not getting anything from the jail gift store... I bet she's getting mail and maybe goodies from home?  Mail also from friends/fans... she probably is keeping really busy in there.  Pen paling.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 02:36:43 PM
Everyone should read page 22 and 23 Air Sampling summary.

67% known to be associated with decomposition.
Out of 16 compounds....7 were significant HUMAN  decomp chemicals.


Casey Anthony had a decomposing HUMAN body in the trunk of her car! That is the conclusion here...it's there in black and white.  A jury will see that and hear the testimony from the people that performed the tests.

Do wh know if Casey was buying a lot of ICE?


That would be vital to know. That is a key component to making the chloroform properly.

From the they way it was explained on NG last night, I understood that it wouldn't take a large amount of ice.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 24, 2008, 02:37:15 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!

Please do NOT slam other posters....she is not here to respond to your statement...you promise, huh....we we have already figured that out...so your promsie isnt too earth shattering.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

You guys really over-react to the smallest statement. I did not slam her. I simply stated my opinion and I will not respond to another post about this. I DO NOT have to defend my own opinions. Its my right.
CSITECH
 This Thread is for Missing Caylee Anthony not for your Opinions on other Posters.
 Please keep On Topic  Caylee Anthony


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 02:38:24 PM
Lee is not married, and it was Cindy's brother Rick who said that Casey was obviously pregnant at his wedding but the Anthonys were denying it. 

Concerning the secrecy about the father of Caylee, so many questions arise.  Why be so secretive?  Lots of girls have children out of wedlock these days.  Why telll Jesse he was the father?  The answer had to have been money and/or support, but he was ruled out by a paternity test.  If the father is deceased, Caylee would be entitled to some social security benefits, but Casey would have to provide proof of paternity, I am sure.  It is unlike the Anthonys of overlook help from the father or his family.  Something is strange about the paternity.  Their lying and secrecy is almost paranoid.

Believe it or not Hudsunn?I've heard of a couple of different families that simply didn't want the low life in there family so they kept it a secret.It happens..I simply think it's best to wait until we find out for sure if it ever does come out.That's all I'm saying but I do agree with your post..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 02:39:11 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!

Please do NOT slam other posters....she is not here to respond to your statement...you promise, huh....we we have already figured that out...so your promsie isnt too earth shattering.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

You guys really over-react to the smallest statement. I did not slam her. I simply stated my opinion and I will not respond to another post about this. I DO NOT have to defend my own opinions. Its my right.
CSITECH
 This Thread is for Missing Caylee Anthony not for your Opinions on other Posters.
 Please keep On Topic  Caylee Anthony


THANK YOU BLONDE- I AGREE  


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 02:39:56 PM
Hey all I wanted to post about the Forensics and hopefully clear some things up--Cubbeegirl on page 40 had it pretty much right

A lot of people said they're disappointed with the release because it didn't show much--however it told a lot if you can understand it as a whole

It shows that Caylee either A)died in the trunk or B)she was placed there very quickly after having died
and
that she was left there for no more than 2 1/2 days then her body was removed

The report did not say 1 hair---it said 1 hair with a death band--now other hairs didn't show the the band

Shovel--nothing of value was found meaning no evidence it was used to dispose of the body--this is the only item where the evidence was used up---however they do have the DNA profile from the testing so it is available to be run in the future against as anyone they choose//////the hair not matching Caylee or Casey does not mean accomplice more than likely it is the neighbors hair as he was the primary owner of the shovel

No maggots on control pizza means that there is maggots involved with the evidence collected but they could not be replicated using the pizza as the test item(even though no pizza was found in the car at all)

The report does not give us a clear indication of when Caylee died--it still remains anywhere between June 15th and June 30th

A lot of the language around "deprived oxygen conditions" is convoluted basically all it means is that the body started to decompse in an oxygen free environment--meaning she wasn't left anywhere in the backyard after she died--my opinion is she died in the trunk and was left there for 2 days till she was removed




Thanks Irish... I think this along with Circumstantial evidence is very damning for Casey...
Not to mention what we don't even have yet....what about the maggot evidence... I am waiting for that...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 02:40:36 PM
Lee is not married, and it was Cindy's brother Rick who said that Casey was obviously pregnant at his wedding but the Anthonys were denying it. 

Concerning the secrecy about the father of Caylee, so many questions arise.  Why be so secretive?  Lots of girls have children out of wedlock these days.  Why telll Jesse he was the father?  The answer had to have been money and/or support, but he was ruled out by a paternity test.  If the father is deceased, Caylee would be entitled to some social security benefits, but Casey would have to provide proof of paternity, I am sure.  It is unlike the Anthonys of overlook help from the father or his family.  Something is strange about the paternity.  Their lying and secrecy is almost paranoid.

Believe it or not Hudsunn?I've heard of a couple of different families that simply didn't want the low life in there family so they kept it a secret.It happens..I simply think it's best to wait until we find out for sure if it ever does come out.That's all I'm saying but I do agree with your post..
Tater I laugh out loud at your liitle icons.  My Rm thinks I have gone over the bend when I laugh at my computer....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 02:40:43 PM
If you guys look at the part of the files that talk about pizza, It says no pizza was found in the car. They did take a pizza for a control subject to see if maggots grew on it but it clearly states that NO PIZZA was found in the car. I guess it was a pizza box. Remember Cindy's yelling NO ODOR. Hey cindy- NO PIZZA!!

I found that incredibly interesting as well -- as I thought that Padilla told us that KC ordered a pizza and put it in her trunk to try to disguise the smell of the dead body.

Anyone else remember Mr Padilla saying that -- I think on Nancy Grace??

I read the transcript. He was very specific??

I guess he was wrong? Or I'm wrong and I imagined the conversation??

I could be wrong here..but to me the "no pizza" means that it was not pizza, as in pieces of pizza, that was causing the odor.  In other words, there was no pizza lying loose in the trunk..so that means the pizza was in a box and contained in that trash bag and not lying loose in the trunk of the car to gather maggots or flies.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sal on October 24, 2008, 02:41:27 PM
My apologies for the off topic but if you wanted to send someone a PM on here is that possible?  Or do you have to leave your e-mail address as public in order to be contacted?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 02:41:47 PM
I am trying so hard to keep up.  Where and in what context did the guy say they knew who the father was?

Shasta - it was Dr. Baden and he was talking on FOXNEWS that he believes LE knows who Caylee's father is based upon the DNA they have.  He sounded certain that LE would know the identity and also sounded as if he knew the identity based upon DNA.  He did not elaborate as to WHO he believed the father was.


True.  In context of this release he seems to know.  The only way he would know is if the child's parents are also family members. 

I thought there were others that allowed DNA samples taken.No? Have they yet disclosed all the participants in the DNA testing and released that info?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 02:41:59 PM
Lee is not married, and it was Cindy's brother Rick who said that Casey was obviously pregnant at his wedding but the Anthonys were denying it. 

Concerning the secrecy about the father of Caylee, so many questions arise.  Why be so secretive?  Lots of girls have children out of wedlock these days.  Why telll Jesse he was the father?  The answer had to have been money and/or support, but he was ruled out by a paternity test.  If the father is deceased, Caylee would be entitled to some social security benefits, but Casey would have to provide proof of paternity, I am sure.  It is unlike the Anthonys of overlook help from the father or his family.  Something is strange about the paternity.  Their lying and secrecy is almost paranoid.

Believe it or not Hudsunn?I've heard of a couple of different families that simply didn't want the low life in there family so they kept it a secret.It happens..I simply think it's best to wait until we find out for sure if it ever does come out.That's all I'm saying but I do agree with your post..


I agree with Hudsunn's post also... and believe it or not, it happened in my own family that they simply did not want the paternity to come out....we were all speculating like crazy and come to find out....daddyo was a married man...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 02:44:16 PM
I am trying so hard to keep up.  Where and in what context did the guy say they knew who the father was?

Shasta - it was Dr. Baden and he was talking on FOXNEWS that he believes LE knows who Caylee's father is based upon the DNA they have.  He sounded certain that LE would know the identity and also sounded as if he knew the identity based upon DNA.  He did not elaborate as to WHO he believed the father was.


True.  In context of this release he seems to know.  The only way he would know is if the child's parents are also family members. 

I thought there were others that allowed DNA samples taken.No? Have they yet disclosed all the participants in the DNA testing and released that info?

I wondered the samething Tater.  I don't remember seeing anything.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 24, 2008, 02:44:29 PM
Based on my previously posted thoughts about how Caylee died, I have to say this. I'm not defending KC, nor am I making excuses for her but I do think I can, on some level, understand where she was coming from.  Being raised in an environment with a controlling mother, I know how hard it can be to ever gain acceptance or be good enough to please.  I have often seen young people that, in an attempt to feel loved and accepted, go to great lengths. I believe that KC was reaching out to all these guys in an attempt to have someone love her.  Some people feel they can "buy" love and the only thing she could make payment with was her body.  Maybe KC really thought Tony was the one and thought she just needed some time to work things out. She knew CA was going to attempt to gain custody of Caylee and she didn't want Caylee to suffer CA's wrath, as he had done.  It seems that much of her totally crazy behavior that we know about happened after the estimated time of Caylee's disappearance. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 24, 2008, 02:44:34 PM
Everyone should read page 22 and 23 Air Sampling summary.

67% known to be associated with decomposition.
Out of 16 compounds....7 were significant HUMAN  decomp chemicals.


Casey Anthony had a decomposing HUMAN body in the trunk of her car! That is the conclusion here...it's there in black and white.  A jury will see that and hear the testimony from the people that performed the tests.

Do wh know if Casey was buying a lot of ICE?


That would be vital to know. That is a key component to making the chloroform properly.
I was thinking in keeping Caylees body cold in a plastic cooler / container to slow the decomposing of her body.
I saw it in a movie.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 24, 2008, 02:45:12 PM
Tater, I agree.  That's why I mentioned he may have been an unsavory character that they did not want around Casey or the baby.

Cindy has outright lied several times about this issue.  On the stand at the hearing, she said she always thought it was Jesse.  Later she said that Casey showed her an obit of the father but that she did not recall his name.  Still later we heard that the whole family knew the father but he lived out of state and had started a family of his own and wanted no part of life with Caylee.

This is just my opinion, but a young mother needs the support of the father of the child first and foremost and nobody can take the place of that.  It must have been a strain for Casey to have the baby without his even being around.

She said later that he died on the way to a birthday party for Casey, which indicates he knew he was the father and wanted to be a part of her life.

Now, what is true?  Did the father even know he was the father?  His family has not come forward since Caylee has been missing to offer any support. 

This family lies so much, we cannot believe them about even the simplest fact. 

I do agree that he could have been an unsavory character or even be in jail.  But we just do not know.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:45:18 PM
Hey all I wanted to post about the Forensics and hopefully clear some things up--Cubbeegirl on page 40 had it pretty much right

A lot of people said they're disappointed with the release because it didn't show much--however it told a lot if you can understand it as a whole

It shows that Caylee either A)died in the trunk or B)she was placed there very quickly after having died
and
that she was left there for no more than 2 1/2 days then her body was removed

The report did not say 1 hair---it said 1 hair with a death band--now other hairs didn't show the the band

Shovel--nothing of value was found meaning no evidence it was used to dispose of the body--this is the only item where the evidence was used up---however they do have the DNA profile from the testing so it is available to be run in the future against as anyone they choose//////the hair not matching Caylee or Casey does not mean accomplice more than likely it is the neighbors hair as he was the primary owner of the shovel

No maggots on control pizza means that there is maggots involved with the evidence collected but they could not be replicated using the pizza as the test item(even though no pizza was found in the car at all)

The report does not give us a clear indication of when Caylee died--it still remains anywhere between June 15th and June 30th

A lot of the language around "deprived oxygen conditions" is convoluted basically all it means is that the body started to decompse in an oxygen free environment--meaning she wasn't left anywhere in the backyard after she died--my opinion is she died in the trunk and was left there for 2 days till she was removed



This is very true. It is so different looking at this info as a CSI standpoint than a layperson. I am trying to explain this stuff to my mother that is also following the case but she don't get it. The stuff just released here today is enough in itself to convict Casey. The only thing baez could do at this point is to attack the science but it will not happen if that jury is smart with all this info.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 02:45:38 PM
My apologies for the off topic but if you wanted to send someone a PM on here is that possible?  Or do you have to leave your e-mail address as public in order to be contacted?
There is no Pm.  And putting your email address here is not a good idea.  If something is troublling you, you can send an email to Klaasend.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 02:46:56 PM
My apologies for the off topic but if you wanted to send someone a PM on here is that possible?  Or do you have to leave your e-mail address as public in order to be contacted?

PM's are disabled here.  There is an option in your profile where you can add your AIM, Yahoo, etc messenger contact info.  I encourage people to set up a special hotmail email account to be used for forums, one they can delete.  You can set them up using a forum nickname rather than your real name.  If you do this then it's fairly safe to post that email address in a public forum.  Up to you.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: irishbosoxfan on October 24, 2008, 02:47:40 PM
If you guys look at the part of the files that talk about pizza, It says no pizza was found in the car. They did take a pizza for a control subject to see if maggots grew on it but it clearly states that NO PIZZA was found in the car. I guess it was a pizza box. Remember Cindy's yelling NO ODOR. Hey cindy- NO PIZZA!!

I found that incredibly interesting as well -- as I thought that Padilla told us that KC ordered a pizza and put it in her trunk to try to disguise the smell of the dead body.

Anyone else remember Mr Padilla saying that -- I think on Nancy Grace??

I read the transcript. He was very specific??

I guess he was wrong? Or I'm wrong and I imagined the conversation??

I could be wrong here..but to me the "no pizza" means that it was not pizza, as in pieces of pizza, that was causing the odor.  In other words, there was no pizza lying loose in the trunk..so that means the pizza was in a box and contained in that trash bag and not lying loose in the trunk of the car to gather maggots or flies.

No the report specifically states "no pizza was actually found in the vehicle"  Which means no pizza at all,pieces or otherwise


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 02:47:58 PM
Lee is not married, and it was Cindy's brother Rick who said that Casey was obviously pregnant at his wedding but the Anthonys were denying it. 

Concerning the secrecy about the father of Caylee, so many questions arise.  Why be so secretive?  Lots of girls have children out of wedlock these days.  Why telll Jesse he was the father?  The answer had to have been money and/or support, but he was ruled out by a paternity test.  If the father is deceased, Caylee would be entitled to some social security benefits, but Casey would have to provide proof of paternity, I am sure.  It is unlike the Anthonys of overlook help from the father or his family.  Something is strange about the paternity.  Their lying and secrecy is almost paranoid.

Believe it or not Hudsunn?I've heard of a couple of different families that simply didn't want the low life in there family so they kept it a secret.It happens..I simply think it's best to wait until we find out for sure if it ever does come out.That's all I'm saying but I do agree with your post..
Tater I laugh out loud at your liitle icons.  My Rm thinks I have gone over the bend when I laugh at my computer....

Thankyou Dearheart.It makes me glad to make even one smile..Glad you missed my icon rant early this morning..I might not have gotten this post..(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons00523.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sal on October 24, 2008, 02:48:30 PM
My apologies for the off topic but if you wanted to send someone a PM on here is that possible?  Or do you have to leave your e-mail address as public in order to be contacted?

PM's are disabled here.  There is an option in your profile where you can add your AIM, Yahoo, etc messenger contact info.  I encourage people to set up a special hotmail email account to be used for forums, one they can delete.  You can set them up using a forum nickname rather than your real name.  If you do this then it's fairly safe to post that email address in a public forum.  Up to you.



 ::MonkeyCool:: Thanks for your reply!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:48:43 PM
Tater, I agree.  That's why I mentioned he may have been an unsavory character that they did not want around Casey or the baby.

Cindy has outright lied several times about this issue.  On the stand at the hearing, she said she always thought it was Jesse.  Later she said that Casey showed her an obit of the father but that she did not recall his name.  Still later we heard that the whole family knew the father but he lived out of state and had started a family of his own and wanted no part of life with Caylee.

This is just my opinion, but a young mother needs the support of the father of the child first and foremost and nobody can take the place of that.  It must have been a strain for Casey to have the baby without his even being around.

She said later that he died on the way to a birthday party for Casey, which indicates he knew he was the father and wanted to be a part of her life.

Now, what is true?  Did the father even know he was the father?  His family has not come forward since Caylee has been missing to offer any support. 

This family lies so much, we cannot believe them about even the simplest fact. 

I do agree that he could have been an unsavory character or even be in jail.  But we just do not know.

I wonder is they even knew who the Daddy was. She slept around so much how could she have known. I think they were just trying to guess who it was and blame it on people that could not possibly be a part of her life because they are dead. Easy way out to not have to explain this to people who may ask. The reason they did not give a definite answer on the stand is so they couldn't be proven as a liar. They could just come back and say well, we didn't know it was him.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharon on October 24, 2008, 02:48:43 PM
If you guys look at the part of the files that talk about pizza, It says no pizza was found in the car. They did take a pizza for a control subject to see if maggots grew on it but it clearly states that NO PIZZA was found in the car. I guess it was a pizza box. Remember Cindy's yelling NO ODOR. Hey cindy- NO PIZZA!!

I found that incredibly interesting as well -- as I thought that Padilla told us that KC ordered a pizza and put it in her trunk to try to disguise the smell of the dead body.

Anyone else remember Mr Padilla saying that -- I think on Nancy Grace??

I read the transcript. He was very specific??

I guess he was wrong? Or I'm wrong and I imagined the conversation??

I could be wrong here..but to me the "no pizza" means that it was not pizza, as in pieces of pizza, that was causing the odor.  In other words, there was no pizza lying loose in the trunk..so that means the pizza was in a box and contained in that trash bag and not lying loose in the trunk of the car to gather maggots or flies.

Thanks Lala's.

So you're saying there WAS pizza in the car -- but it was in a box in a garbage bag in the trunk, rather than just in the box in the trunk?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 24, 2008, 02:48:44 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 02:48:56 PM
Hey all I wanted to post about the Forensics and hopefully clear some things up--Cubbeegirl on page 40 had it pretty much right

A lot of people said they're disappointed with the release because it didn't show much--however it told a lot if you can understand it as a whole

It shows that Caylee either A)died in the trunk or B)she was placed there very quickly after having died
and
that she was left there for no more than 2 1/2 days then her body was removed

The report did not say 1 hair---it said 1 hair with a death band--now other hairs didn't show the the band

Shovel--nothing of value was found meaning no evidence it was used to dispose of the body--this is the only item where the evidence was used up---however they do have the DNA profile from the testing so it is available to be run in the future against as anyone they choose//////the hair not matching Caylee or Casey does not mean accomplice more than likely it is the neighbors hair as he was the primary owner of the shovel

No maggots on control pizza means that there is maggots involved with the evidence collected but they could not be replicated using the pizza as the test item(even though no pizza was found in the car at all)

The report does not give us a clear indication of when Caylee died--it still remains anywhere between June 15th and June 30th

A lot of the language around "deprived oxygen conditions" is convoluted basically all it means is that the body started to decompse in an oxygen free environment--meaning she wasn't left anywhere in the backyard after she died--my opinion is she died in the trunk and was left there for 2 days till she was removed



This is very true. It is so different looking at this info as a CSI standpoint than a layperson. I am trying to explain this stuff to my mother that is also following the case but she don't get it. The stuff just released here today is enough in itself to convict Casey. The only thing baez could do at this point is to attack the science but it will not happen if that jury is smart with all this info.


CSI..... I and many others here get it and we are lay persons....IMO it doesn't take a mental giant to get it....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 24, 2008, 02:49:10 PM
Just logging in long enough to say that I find it odd no one has yet to touch on the fact that it is noted there are absolutely no finger prints on the shovel.  Why wipe it down?
The hair is questionable as to a possible accomplice, but why no finger prints?  Why leave the hair and not the finger prints? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 02:50:31 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:51:16 PM
If you guys look at the part of the files that talk about pizza, It says no pizza was found in the car. They did take a pizza for a control subject to see if maggots grew on it but it clearly states that NO PIZZA was found in the car. I guess it was a pizza box. Remember Cindy's yelling NO ODOR. Hey cindy- NO PIZZA!!

I found that incredibly interesting as well -- as I thought that Padilla told us that KC ordered a pizza and put it in her trunk to try to disguise the smell of the dead body.

Anyone else remember Mr Padilla saying that -- I think on Nancy Grace??

I read the transcript. He was very specific??

I guess he was wrong? Or I'm wrong and I imagined the conversation??

I could be wrong here..but to me the "no pizza" means that it was not pizza, as in pieces of pizza, that was causing the odor.  In other words, there was no pizza lying loose in the trunk..so that means the pizza was in a box and contained in that trash bag and not lying loose in the trunk of the car to gather maggots or flies.

No the report specifically states "no pizza was actually found in the vehicle"  Which means no pizza at all,pieces or otherwise

Right, for all that may not know the word Control means something not related to the case that they use sometimes as a comparison. They used a pizza they had just to see if it was a possibility that maggots could have ever come from the pizza, basically proving they did not and had to be in there because of teh decomposing body.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 02:51:25 PM
Just logging in long enough to say that I find it odd no one has yet to touch on the fact that it is noted there are absolutely no finger prints on the shovel.  Why wipe it down?
The hair is questionable as to a possible accomplice, but why no finger prints?  Why leave the hair and not the finger prints? 


Hey Dolce..... my opinion.....sloppy clean-up on aisle 13.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 02:51:30 PM
Everyone should read page 22 and 23 Air Sampling summary.

67% known to be associated with decomposition.
Out of 16 compounds....7 were significant HUMAN  decomp chemicals.


Casey Anthony had a decomposing HUMAN body in the trunk of her car! That is the conclusion here...it's there in black and white.  A jury will see that and hear the testimony from the people that performed the tests.

Do wh know if Casey was buying a lot of ICE?


That would be vital to know. That is a key component to making the chloroform properly.
I was thinking in keeping Caylees body cold in a plastic cooler / container to slow the decomposing of her body.
I saw it in a movie.


Good thought Blonde!  That would make sense.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 02:51:38 PM
Just logging in long enough to say that I find it odd no one has yet to touch on the fact that it is noted there are absolutely no finger prints on the shovel.  Why wipe it down?
The hair is questionable as to a possible accomplice, but why no finger prints?  Why leave the hair and not the finger prints? 

maybe they were wearing gloves???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: irishbosoxfan on October 24, 2008, 02:51:53 PM
Hey all I wanted to post about the Forensics and hopefully clear some things up--Cubbeegirl on page 40 had it pretty much right

A lot of people said they're disappointed with the release because it didn't show much--however it told a lot if you can understand it as a whole

It shows that Caylee either A)died in the trunk or B)she was placed there very quickly after having died
and
that she was left there for no more than 2 1/2 days then her body was removed

The report did not say 1 hair---it said 1 hair with a death band--now other hairs didn't show the the band

Shovel--nothing of value was found meaning no evidence it was used to dispose of the body--this is the only item where the evidence was used up---however they do have the DNA profile from the testing so it is available to be run in the future against as anyone they choose//////the hair not matching Caylee or Casey does not mean accomplice more than likely it is the neighbors hair as he was the primary owner of the shovel

No maggots on control pizza means that there is maggots involved with the evidence collected but they could not be replicated using the pizza as the test item(even though no pizza was found in the car at all)

The report does not give us a clear indication of when Caylee died--it still remains anywhere between June 15th and June 30th

A lot of the language around "deprived oxygen conditions" is convoluted basically all it means is that the body started to decompse in an oxygen free environment--meaning she wasn't left anywhere in the backyard after she died--my opinion is she died in the trunk and was left there for 2 days till she was removed



This is very true. It is so different looking at this info as a CSI standpoint than a layperson. I am trying to explain this stuff to my mother that is also following the case but she don't get it. The stuff just released here today is enough in itself to convict Casey. The only thing baez could do at this point is to attack the science but it will not happen if that jury is smart with all this info.


I know! I've been reading at a couple of different sites and was going nuts with the misinfo that was being thrown out there and people not having a police science background accepting it at face value so I wanted to clear up some of the confusion!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 02:51:56 PM
Casey and Lee look alot alike, you can defiantely tell they are related and favor their father.  Altho I can probably see Casey seducing her brother I do not think Lee is the father. Caylee looks nothing like them she looks just like JP Pratt.  I can see why they didnt want the father of the child to know.  The whole Anthony family are wackos and have been long before Caylee was murdered and they didnt want the fathers family taking Caylee away.  I think Lee didnt want to give his DNA because he is angry with LE and blames them for the info being leaked and listens to his mom too much.  I think deep down Lee knows his sister killed her daughter but doesnt want to be disowned from the family. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 02:52:43 PM
Just logging in long enough to say that I find it odd no one has yet to touch on the fact that it is noted there are absolutely no finger prints on the shovel.  Why wipe it down?
The hair is questionable as to a possible accomplice, but why no finger prints?  Why leave the hair and not the finger prints? 


Hey Dolce..... my opinion.....sloppy clean-up on aisle 13.... ::MonkeyWink::
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:52:59 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...


That proves that what I said is true to those of you that don't believe what I said. Who told us that caylees body was in the car for 11 days? Proves my point and I am right.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:54:17 PM
Just logging in long enough to say that I find it odd no one has yet to touch on the fact that it is noted there are absolutely no finger prints on the shovel.  Why wipe it down?
The hair is questionable as to a possible accomplice, but why no finger prints?  Why leave the hair and not the finger prints? 


Hey Dolce..... my opinion.....sloppy clean-up on aisle 13.... ::MonkeyWink::
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


It is possible to not find prints on things like that. There is a number of reasons why it would not have. This isn't rare believe it or not.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharon on October 24, 2008, 02:54:32 PM
If you guys look at the part of the files that talk about pizza, It says no pizza was found in the car. They did take a pizza for a control subject to see if maggots grew on it but it clearly states that NO PIZZA was found in the car. I guess it was a pizza box. Remember Cindy's yelling NO ODOR. Hey cindy- NO PIZZA!!

I found that incredibly interesting as well -- as I thought that Padilla told us that KC ordered a pizza and put it in her trunk to try to disguise the smell of the dead body.

Anyone else remember Mr Padilla saying that -- I think on Nancy Grace??

I read the transcript. He was very specific??

I guess he was wrong? Or I'm wrong and I imagined the conversation??

I could be wrong here..but to me the "no pizza" means that it was not pizza, as in pieces of pizza, that was causing the odor.  In other words, there was no pizza lying loose in the trunk..so that means the pizza was in a box and contained in that trash bag and not lying loose in the trunk of the car to gather maggots or flies.

No the report specifically states "no pizza was actually found in the vehicle"  Which means no pizza at all,pieces or otherwise

Thank you

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 02:55:09 PM
Just logging in long enough to say that I find it odd no one has yet to touch on the fact that it is noted there are absolutely no finger prints on the shovel.  Why wipe it down?
The hair is questionable as to a possible accomplice, but why no finger prints?  Why leave the hair and not the finger prints? 

Excellent point and I'll go back to the shovel part of the report and look again. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 02:55:28 PM
Just logging in long enough to say that I find it odd no one has yet to touch on the fact that it is noted there are absolutely no finger prints on the shovel.  Why wipe it down?
The hair is questionable as to a possible accomplice, but why no finger prints?  Why leave the hair and not the finger prints? 

Did the shovel have a metal pole and handle or a wooden pole and handle or a fiberglass pole and handle.  Seemed if the shovel was wood and worn and spintered  that would be hard to get prints off of.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 02:55:31 PM
Just logging in long enough to say that I find it odd no one has yet to touch on the fact that it is noted there are absolutely no finger prints on the shovel.  Why wipe it down?
The hair is questionable as to a possible accomplice, but why no finger prints?  Why leave the hair and not the finger prints? 

maybe they were wearing gloves???

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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 24, 2008, 02:56:12 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 24, 2008, 02:56:16 PM
CSITECH, I don't think any of us here are trying to be "right" about things.  None of us has enough information to sort it all out without speculating and guessing.  We are just doing what curious people do, wondering about the case and how it all unfolded and what the evidence will be.  Sooner or later, we will find out a lot, and the jury will make the final assessments. 

You may be "right" in what your are saying or you may be proven "wrong."  But we are not giving out trophies here.  We are discussing.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2008, 02:56:16 PM
So, that changes where they are to search ??? June 16 plus 2 or 3 =  is about Thursday or the Friday . ( the 20th , she was at Fusion in the evening ).
Where was she about the 18th to the 20th early evening, anything jump up
at PPL. ??? This blows at lot of "theories " up, doesn't it ?
NG's nostrils will just be flaring when she digs into this report.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 02:56:20 PM
Casey and Lee look alot alike, you can defiantely tell they are related and favor their father.  Altho I can probably see Casey seducing her brother I do not think Lee is the father. Caylee looks nothing like them she looks just like JP Pratt.  I can see why they didnt want the father of the child to know.  The whole Anthony family are wackos and have been long before Caylee was murdered and they didnt want the fathers family taking Caylee away.  I think Lee didnt want to give his DNA because he is angry with LE and blames them for the info being leaked and listens to his mom too much.  I think deep down Lee knows his sister killed her daughter but doesnt want to be disowned from the family. 


Caylee looks like Cindy.  If she has both Lee and Casey DNA she would favor the mother in looks imo.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:56:31 PM
Casey and Lee look alot alike, you can defiantely tell they are related and favor their father.  Altho I can probably see Casey seducing her brother I do not think Lee is the father. Caylee looks nothing like them she looks just like JP Pratt.  I can see why they didnt want the father of the child to know.  The whole Anthony family are wackos and have been long before Caylee was murdered and they didnt want the fathers family taking Caylee away.  I think Lee didnt want to give his DNA because he is angry with LE and blames them for the info being leaked and listens to his mom too much.  I think deep down Lee knows his sister killed her daughter but doesnt want to be disowned from the family. 

Has anyone ever seen any George is Casey? I may see a little bit of George in Lee but not Casey. Casey may be the milk mans child for all we know!! Wpould cause some marital probs at some point in their marriage.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 02:56:55 PM
Alot of people using a shovel would wear garden gloves as to not get splinters and blisters.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 02:57:04 PM
CSITech, I was wondering and this is a "none of my business questions" but do you have a background in CSI, police work, etc????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 02:57:46 PM
Casey and Lee look alot alike, you can defiantely tell they are related and favor their father.  Altho I can probably see Casey seducing her brother I do not think Lee is the father. Caylee looks nothing like them she looks just like JP Pratt.  I can see why they didnt want the father of the child to know.  The whole Anthony family are wackos and have been long before Caylee was murdered and they didnt want the fathers family taking Caylee away.  I think Lee didnt want to give his DNA because he is angry with LE and blames them for the info being leaked and listens to his mom too much.  I think deep down Lee knows his sister killed her daughter but doesnt want to be disowned from the family. 


Caylee looks like Cindy.  If she has both Lee and Casey DNA she would favor the mother in looks imo.


I think most girls do look more like Mom than Dad. Luckily in my case it was the opposite, but I have seen Caylee when I saw Cindys face


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 02:58:04 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...


That proves that what I said is true to those of you that don't believe what I said. Who told us that caylees body was in the car for 11 days? Proves my point and I am right.

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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 02:58:19 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...

She might not have had the body in there for 11 days but if fluid leaked out that would still smell.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 24, 2008, 02:58:38 PM
Just logging in long enough to say that I find it odd no one has yet to touch on the fact that it is noted there are absolutely no finger prints on the shovel.  Why wipe it down?
The hair is questionable as to a possible accomplice, but why no finger prints?  Why leave the hair and not the finger prints? 
rubber gloves we saw a picture at Tony L house where they had a box of gloves Casey might have taken some.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 24, 2008, 02:58:45 PM
You know....in the entire scope of things....who really cares whether LA is the father of this little girl or not??? Personally, I hope that he's not because this case already has enough twists, turns and tragedies. This case is not a paternity case.  It's a case about an adorable little girl that hasn't been seen in months and will probably never be seen again.  IMO, LA may have some involvement in this case and that involvement is his sole reason for not wanting to submit DNA.  He may have assisted his sister in covering evidence in this horrific crime and that's what my interest regarding LA is. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blaze on October 24, 2008, 02:58:56 PM

I was thinking in keeping Caylees body cold in a plastic cooler / container to slow the decomposing of her body.
I saw it in a movie.

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Maybe dry ice?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 24, 2008, 02:58:57 PM
CBB and Lala's - OT

I haven't tried this one but it's worth looking into as a free screen capture software. 

http://kingkongcapture.com/

I do it the old easy way -- on my computer, you hold the function key down and press the prt sc (print screen) button.  Some computers you hold the alt key down plus the prt sc.  You don't see anything visibly happen, but just open a blank email or a word doc and hit paste and wahhh -la ....     ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 24, 2008, 02:59:38 PM
Blonde, the idea about the ice and cooler is a good one, but that ice would have to be changed a lot!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 02:59:59 PM
Casey and Lee look alot alike, you can defiantely tell they are related and favor their father.  Altho I can probably see Casey seducing her brother I do not think Lee is the father. Caylee looks nothing like them she looks just like JP Pratt.  I can see why they didnt want the father of the child to know.  The whole Anthony family are wackos and have been long before Caylee was murdered and they didnt want the fathers family taking Caylee away.  I think Lee didnt want to give his DNA because he is angry with LE and blames them for the info being leaked and listens to his mom too much.  I think deep down Lee knows his sister killed her daughter but doesnt want to be disowned from the family. 


Caylee looks like Cindy.  If she has both Lee and Casey DNA she would favor the mother in looks imo.


I think most girls do look more like Mom than Dad. Luckily in my case it was the opposite, but I have seen Caylee when I saw Cindys face


She looks very much like Cindy.  There is information in the document dump today that I think reveals the father.  Page 8 possibly.  I am not a DNA expert, but that might be the table that gives Baden his knowledge.  Any DNA experts here?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 24, 2008, 03:00:13 PM
Casey and Lee look alot alike, you can defiantely tell they are related and favor their father.  Altho I can probably see Casey seducing her brother I do not think Lee is the father. Caylee looks nothing like them she looks just like JP Pratt.  I can see why they didnt want the father of the child to know.  The whole Anthony family are wackos and have been long before Caylee was murdered and they didnt want the fathers family taking Caylee away.  I think Lee didnt want to give his DNA because he is angry with LE and blames them for the info being leaked and listens to his mom too much.  I think deep down Lee knows his sister killed her daughter but doesnt want to be disowned from the family. 


Caylee looks like Cindy.  If she has both Lee and Casey DNA she would favor the mother in looks imo.


I think most girls do look more like Mom than Dad. Luckily in my case it was the opposite, but I have seen Caylee when I saw Cindys face

Every time i see the picture of little Caylee in the blue coat and sunglasses, I think she looks so very much like Cindy.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TCIntriguedIN30 on October 24, 2008, 03:00:15 PM
I just the they did't find any useable prints....IMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 03:00:31 PM
CSITech, I was wondering and this is a "none of my business questions" but do you have a background in CSI, police work, etc????


I went to college and hold a degree. I have not worked in the field yet because of a medical issue but I love talking about forensics and I am very knowledgeable and have a lot to offer if people have questions I can answer. I also majored in psychology so I am going to choose a job where I can use both of those topics.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: jr on October 24, 2008, 03:00:51 PM
Good afternoon, Monkeys!!!

I'm just hopping in here for the first time today and have been trying to get caught up.  I have read the reports that were released today and I have to tell you that I got a bit gloomy while reading.  There were just too many words throughout that made me uneasy....words like comparable, similar, could be, not conclusive.  Anyone else agree?   As for the hair on the shovel....it was less than 1/4" in length.  Guess that would probably indicate a man's hair.  Also noticed the reference to Blue Star.  Was that a cleaner that GA used in the car???

Hi monkeys. Been lurking on and off lately. Came across this and could not help myself.

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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blaze on October 24, 2008, 03:01:39 PM
What is Amscot?
Why is she there so much. 
Is Amscot a town?  I know that KC's car was in Amscot by check cashing store.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 24, 2008, 03:02:24 PM
What is Amscot?
Why is she there so much. 
Is Amscot a town?  I know that KC's car was in Amscot by check cashing store.


Amscot is a check cashing store.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 03:02:32 PM
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1483

The Casey Anthony Saga: Forensics Evidence Report Revealed
Posted by Sean Krause on October 24th, 2008

The FBI forensic experts who looked at the hair samples found in the trunk have some damaging evidence against Casey Anthony.

All the hair samples were a confirmed match on the shovel & in the trunk of Casey’s car. The shovel, if you remember correctly, plays a significant role because it was the shovel she used to borrow from her neighbor.

It’s nothing we didn’t already know but the facts remain, with all of this mounting evidence, is the Anthony family’s position still going to remain that Caylee Anthony is still alive? It’s not everyday you find a hair sample on a shovel, unless your using it to bury a body. The sad thing is the hair sample is a confirmed match.

Let’s not also forget confirmation on the chloroform.

Again, we knew all of this, but there are some still holding out hope. The FBI has done an exceptional job, all of the gifted individuals who are able to understand what to do & find out the truth. I applaud their efforts.

While we were waiting for the forensics report to come in, we do have a forensic expert who will be coming on next week, her schedule didn’t allow us to prepare for an interview but we will have that for you next week.


He really does need to read before opening mouth or laying fingers to keyboard IMHO

All the hair samples were a confirmed match on the shovel is not the same as CASEY ANTHONY and CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY can be excluded   as the source of the Q46.2 hair.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 03:03:54 PM
CSITECH, I don't think any of us here are trying to be "right" about things.  None of us has enough information to sort it all out without speculating and guessing.  We are just doing what curious people do, wondering about the case and how it all unfolded and what the evidence will be.  Sooner or later, we will find out a lot, and the jury will make the final assessments. 

You may be "right" in what your are saying or you may be proven "wrong."  But we are not giving out trophies here.  We are discussing.

I am not talking about evidence in that post. I am talking about what I said about HH. She said that the body was in the car for 11 days before dumping and it was not. I was just defending the fact that people didnt believe what I said about HH. I really didn't want to get the response that I got. I am just looking out for people.

You should not be talking about any poster on this forum 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 03:04:08 PM
If you guys look at the part of the files that talk about pizza, It says no pizza was found in the car. They did take a pizza for a control subject to see if maggots grew on it but it clearly states that NO PIZZA was found in the car. I guess it was a pizza box. Remember Cindy's yelling NO ODOR. Hey cindy- NO PIZZA!!

I found that incredibly interesting as well -- as I thought that Padilla told us that KC ordered a pizza and put it in her trunk to try to disguise the smell of the dead body.

Anyone else remember Mr Padilla saying that -- I think on Nancy Grace??

I read the transcript. He was very specific??

I guess he was wrong? Or I'm wrong and I imagined the conversation??

Sharon - I know she at least called Papa Johns at 12:10 am of the 18th of June per phone records ::MonkeyCool:: .


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 03:04:09 PM
Casey and Lee look alot alike, you can defiantely tell they are related and favor their father.  Altho I can probably see Casey seducing her brother I do not think Lee is the father. Caylee looks nothing like them she looks just like JP Pratt.  I can see why they didnt want the father of the child to know.  The whole Anthony family are wackos and have been long before Caylee was murdered and they didnt want the fathers family taking Caylee away.  I think Lee didnt want to give his DNA because he is angry with LE and blames them for the info being leaked and listens to his mom too much.  I think deep down Lee knows his sister killed her daughter but doesnt want to be disowned from the family. 

Has anyone ever seen any George is Casey? I may see a little bit of George in Lee but not Casey. Casey may be the milk mans child for all we know!! Wpould cause some marital probs at some point in their marriage.

Well thats your opinion and I respect that.  Ive seen pictures where Casey does look like her father.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 24, 2008, 03:06:29 PM
I see no reason to be gloomy over the evidence.  Very few murder cases have a lot of pure evidence because killers always clean up after themselves, leaving tiny bits of evidence, not huge signposts of evidence.  That is why CSI is so important because it deals with microscopic evidence that might not have been useful decades ago.  One hair showing decomp is hugely significant, no matter its size.  It indicates a dead body was in the trunk at some point.  Very powerful stuff.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: thb134 on October 24, 2008, 03:06:31 PM
Good afternoon monkeys.....DNA results are very interesting.......

Have we still not seen Lee? or heard from him.....I have been out of touch so I have some catching up to do......

Does anyone have Lee's address?

Keep up the good work monkeys..........


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 03:06:45 PM
Blonde, the idea about the ice and cooler is a good one, but that ice would have to be changed a lot!

Especially in the dead heat of summer.I so agree!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 03:07:00 PM
Just logging in long enough to say that I find it odd no one has yet to touch on the fact that it is noted there are absolutely no finger prints on the shovel.  Why wipe it down?
The hair is questionable as to a possible accomplice, but why no finger prints?  Why leave the hair and not the finger prints? 

maybe they were wearing gloves???

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons09796.gif)

Um, is that a bad thing the cat is doing????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 03:07:12 PM
Good afternoon monkeys.....DNA results are very interesting.......

Have we still not seen Lee? or heard from him.....I have been out of touch so I have some catching up to do......

Does anyone have Lee's address?

Keep up the good work monkeys..........

No but ive got his phone number...lol!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 24, 2008, 03:07:37 PM
CSITech, I was wondering and this is a "none of my business questions" but do you have a background in CSI, police work, etc????


I went to college and hold a degree. I have not worked in the field yet because of a medical issue but I love talking about forensics and I am very knowledgeable and have a lot to offer if people have questions I can answer. I also majored in psychology so I am going to choose a job where I can use both of those topics.

Okay, forgive me, but I went to college and hold a degree, too. The real question is, "What degree do you hold?" I don't really want to know. I am just making a point that holding just any degree does not a "CSI Tech” make. I am not saying you don't hold a degree. I am just saying you certainly lacked specifics that could be misconstrued. Just saying.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: funkymonkey on October 24, 2008, 03:07:43 PM
NG's nostrils will just be flaring when she digs into this report.

LOL...Can you hear HER now?? 
"MAJOR SUPER-DUPER FREAKIN CHECKMATE BOMBSHELL tonight!"   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 03:10:04 PM
So, that changes where they are to search ??? June 16 plus 2 or 3 =  is about Thursday or the Friday . ( the 20th , she was at Fusion in the evening ).
Where was she about the 18th to the 20th early evening, anything jump up
at PPL. ??? This blows at lot of "theories " up, doesn't it ?
NG's nostrils will just be flaring when she digs into this report.

I don't know if this will help or not but here's the maps thru the 26th of June

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!264&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!264&encType=1)


http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!296&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.456222~-81.311445&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3887807&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=425CBB3546819D95!296&encType=1)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 03:10:28 PM
Just logging in long enough to say that I find it odd no one has yet to touch on the fact that it is noted there are absolutely no finger prints on the shovel.  Why wipe it down?
The hair is questionable as to a possible accomplice, but why no finger prints?  Why leave the hair and not the finger prints? 

maybe they were wearing gloves???

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons09796.gif)

Um, is that a bad thing the cat is doing????

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: thb134 on October 24, 2008, 03:10:39 PM
Good afternoon monkeys.....DNA results are very interesting.......

Have we still not seen Lee? or heard from him.....I have been out of touch so I have some catching up to do......

Does anyone have Lee's address?

Keep up the good work monkeys..........

No but ive got his phone number...lol!

Haha, me too, the message scared me....I would hate to get in a civil suit.....that is just another ring in their circus...........


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 24, 2008, 03:10:46 PM
CSITECH, lots of people thought that the body COULD HAVE BEEN in the car for as long as 11 days.  It was not just HH.  That info was given on NG at one time, too.  It is still possible if the body was frozen for a while first, I suppose.  Again, people around here are not into being "right" or "wrong" but into finding out what happened. 

BTW, you said you had a degree but did not mention the field.  What kind of degree does a CSITECH get? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharon on October 24, 2008, 03:11:03 PM
If you guys look at the part of the files that talk about pizza, It says no pizza was found in the car. They did take a pizza for a control subject to see if maggots grew on it but it clearly states that NO PIZZA was found in the car. I guess it was a pizza box. Remember Cindy's yelling NO ODOR. Hey cindy- NO PIZZA!!

I found that incredibly interesting as well -- as I thought that Padilla told us that KC ordered a pizza and put it in her trunk to try to disguise the smell of the dead body.

Anyone else remember Mr Padilla saying that -- I think on Nancy Grace??

I read the transcript. He was very specific??

I guess he was wrong? Or I'm wrong and I imagined the conversation??

Sharon - I know she at least called Papa Johns at 12:10 am of the 18th of June per phone records ::MonkeyCool:: .

 :smt006

Thanks!   ::MonkeyWink::

I think I need to look at the ping maps again  ::MonkeyLaugh::


(Thanks for all your hard work. You make it easy for untalented people like me)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 03:11:16 PM
Just logging in long enough to say that I find it odd no one has yet to touch on the fact that it is noted there are absolutely no finger prints on the shovel.  Why wipe it down?
The hair is questionable as to a possible accomplice, but why no finger prints?  Why leave the hair and not the finger prints? 

maybe they were wearing gloves???

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons09796.gif)

Um, is that a bad thing the cat is doing????

Thumbs up is bad?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 24, 2008, 03:11:38 PM
If you guys look at the part of the files that talk about pizza, It says no pizza was found in the car. They did take a pizza for a control subject to see if maggots grew on it but it clearly states that NO PIZZA was found in the car. I guess it was a pizza box. Remember Cindy's yelling NO ODOR. Hey cindy- NO PIZZA!!

I found that incredibly interesting as well -- as I thought that Padilla told us that KC ordered a pizza and put it in her trunk to try to disguise the smell of the dead body.

Anyone else remember Mr Padilla saying that -- I think on Nancy Grace??

I read the transcript. He was very specific??

I guess he was wrong? Or I'm wrong and I imagined the conversation??

Sharon - I know she at least called Papa Johns at 12:10 am of the 18th of June per phone records ::MonkeyCool:: .

Yes, I saw Padilla say that on NG.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 03:12:19 PM
CSITech, I was wondering and this is a "none of my business questions" but do you have a background in CSI, police work, etc????


I went to college and hold a degree. I have not worked in the field yet because of a medical issue but I love talking about forensics and I am very knowledgeable and have a lot to offer if people have questions I can answer. I also majored in psychology so I am going to choose a job where I can use both of those topics.

Okay, forgive me, but I went to college and hold a degree, too. The real question is, "What degree do you hold?" I don't really want to know. I am just making a point that holding just any degree does not a "CSI Tech” make. I am not saying you don't hold a degree. I am just saying you certainly lacked specifics that could be misconstrued. Just saying.


I have not lacked ANY specifics at all. I came here to discuss Caylee and I only talk about it if someone asks and give MY TAKE on the evidence. Believe it or not. That is what these forums are about. I take everything people say with a grain of salt. I am sure everyone else does too. I do not have to defend my opinions in this case. I am not here to use my degree, I am here to talk about Caylee and the case including evidence. Everything else is still my OWN opinion as it is yours. Say what you will. Doesn't bother me at all.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sal on October 24, 2008, 03:12:34 PM
I can't believe Cindy, Baez  or Todd Open Mouth, Insert Foot Black  have not made any comments today.  I am disappointed.  I can't wait to see how they are going to try spin this one. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 03:14:20 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 03:14:59 PM
Good afternoon monkeys.....DNA results are very interesting.......

Have we still not seen Lee? or heard from him.....I have been out of touch so I have some catching up to do......

Does anyone have Lee's address?

Keep up the good work monkeys..........

No but ive got his phone number...lol!

Haha, me too, the message scared me....I would hate to get in a civil suit.....that is just another ring in their circus...........


Did ya call him?   HeeHee!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 24, 2008, 03:15:36 PM
I like Leonard Padilla, but I think some of his suggestions have been pretty far out in left field. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 24, 2008, 03:16:09 PM
CSITech, I was wondering and this is a "none of my business questions" but do you have a background in CSI, police work, etc????


I went to college and hold a degree. I have not worked in the field yet because of a medical issue but I love talking about forensics and I am very knowledgeable and have a lot to offer if people have questions I can answer. I also majored in psychology so I am going to choose a job where I can use both of those topics.

Okay, forgive me, but I went to college and hold a degree, too. The real question is, "What degree do you hold?" I don't really want to know. I am just making a point that holding just any degree does not a "CSI Tech” make. I am not saying you don't hold a degree. I am just saying you certainly lacked specifics that could be misconstrued. Just saying.


I have not lacked ANY specifics at all. I came here to discuss Caylee and I only talk about it if someone asks and give MY TAKE on the evidence. Believe it or not. That is what these forums are about. I take everything people say with a grain of salt. I am sure everyone else does too. I do not have to defend my opinions in this case. I am not here to use my degree, I am here to talk about Caylee and the case including evidence. Everything else is still my OWN opinion as it is yours. Say what you will. Doesn't bother me at all.

No, you don't take everything with a grain of salt. If you did, you wouldn't give a flip about being "right about Higherhopes" (not that you are) and you wouldn't even bother arguing with us.

STOP RIGHT NOW


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 03:16:22 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...


That proves that what I said is true to those of you that don't believe what I said. Who told us that caylees body was in the car for 11 days? Proves my point and I am right.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons1267.gif)

OHMYGAWD Taters I am so glad I had put my hot tea down before I saw this!!   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 03:16:32 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::

She would have had to be in there long enough to get the stink on so bad though,right?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: higherhopes on October 24, 2008, 03:17:04 PM
Klaas....you have mail...........TY


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
CSITech, I was wondering and this is a "none of my business questions" but do you have a background in CSI, police work, etc????


I went to college and hold a degree. I have not worked in the field yet because of a medical issue but I love talking about forensics and I am very knowledgeable and have a lot to offer if people have questions I can answer. I also majored in psychology so I am going to choose a job where I can use both of those topics.

Okay, forgive me, but I went to college and hold a degree, too. The real question is, "What degree do you hold?" I don't really want to know. I am just making a point that holding just any degree does not a "CSI Tech” make. I am not saying you don't hold a degree. I am just saying you certainly lacked specifics that could be misconstrued. Just saying.


I have not lacked ANY specifics at all. I came here to discuss Caylee and I only talk about it if someone asks and give MY TAKE on the evidence. Believe it or not. That is what these forums are about. I take everything people say with a grain of salt. I am sure everyone else does too. I do not have to defend my opinions in this case. I am not here to use my degree, I am here to talk about Caylee and the case including evidence. Everything else is still my OWN opinion as it is yours. Say what you will. Doesn't bother me at all.
But wait, how do you know how many days the body was in the trunk, or not in the trunk??????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 03:18:31 PM
Im sorry, Im getting biitchingbi.  I will go get a coke at Sonic, their stock is going down, they NEED me.  Bbl.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 03:18:58 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::

I dont see her driving around that long either with a body or moving the body multiple times..  It must of been the body fluid causing the smell.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 24, 2008, 03:19:18 PM
Im sorry, Im getting biitchingbi.  I will go get a coke at Sonic, their stock is going down, they NEED me.  Bbl.

Get a cherry chocolae coke for me, too, please. Just fax it over. LOL

See you later! :-)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 03:21:17 PM
Hey my daughter works at Sonic while going to nursing school.  I can get it for ya free.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 03:21:32 PM
I like Leonard Padilla, but I think some of his suggestions have been pretty far out in left field. 

I'm sooooo glad you said that!!!!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/amen.gif)

We're almost battin a thousand today Hudsunn!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 03:21:38 PM
Im sorry, Im getting biitchingbi.  I will go get a coke at Sonic, their stock is going down, they NEED me.  Bbl.

Get a cherry chocolae coke for me, too, please. Just fax it over. LOL

See you later! :-)
You got it!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 03:22:03 PM
some monkey is giving me a huge headache.  please stop.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 03:22:36 PM
The argument on this missing child's thread needs to stop right now.  I stepped away and came back and see this.  Right now I don't know whom did what and will read back, but EVERYONE:  STOP IT RIGHT NOW.  WARNING!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flamom on October 24, 2008, 03:22:59 PM
CSITECH, lots of people thought that the body COULD HAVE BEEN in the car for as long as 11 days.  It was not just HH.  That info was given on NG at one time, too.  It is still possible if the body was frozen for a while first, I suppose.  Again, people around here are not into being "right" or "wrong" but into finding out what happened. 

BTW, you said you had a degree but did not mention the field.  What kind of degree does a CSITECH get? 

As a nurse, I had believed that crazy could have been driving around with her dead baby for up to 11 days... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2008, 03:24:23 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::


Sunny, I believe the PDF specifies chemicals consistent with anaerobic decomp, doesn't it?  This would be consistent with a container of some sort.  I wonder if that's what the purchase at JCP could have been, a Coleman cooler or similar or one to replace one taken if the dates are not correct?



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 03:24:32 PM
Thank you so much Miss MuffyBee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 03:24:43 PM
Im sorry, Im getting biitchingbi.  I will go get a coke at Sonic, their stock is going down, they NEED me.  Bbl.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  Hey, can you get me somethin' to drink while you're there? Somethin' fruity please.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TCIntriguedIN30 on October 24, 2008, 03:25:00 PM
Quick westion...If the Body was In the trunk 2.6 days  and it wasn't there in the 15th when it was picked up???Why were there still maggots present...Wouldnt they have grown to flies and  found something else to feed off of..sorry I am not Science savvy


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 03:25:08 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...


That proves that what I said is true to those of you that don't believe what I said. Who told us that caylees body was in the car for 11 days? Proves my point and I am right.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons1267.gif)

OHMYGAWD Taters I am so glad I had put my hot tea down before I saw this!!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/72.gif)



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sal on October 24, 2008, 03:25:08 PM
Klaas....you have mail...........TY

Do you know when you are going to be able to post those pictures from your trip?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 24, 2008, 03:25:16 PM
The argument on this missing child's thread needs to stop right now.  I stepped away and came back and see this.  Right now I don't know whom did what and will read back, but EVERYONE:  STOP IT RIGHT NOW.  WARNING!!

My apologies Muffy. I actually got involved in this one, because I felt Higherhopes was being bashed without cause. I am sorry for my partaking in the argument.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 03:25:46 PM
Im sorry, Im getting biitchingbi.  I will go get a coke at Sonic, their stock is going down, they NEED me.  Bbl.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  Hey, can you get me somethin' to drink while you're there? Somethin' fruity please.  ::MonkeyTongue::
You bet, going right now.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 03:27:47 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::

She would have had to be in there long enough to get the stink on so bad though,right?


Yep...but I think that would happen rather quickly in the FL heat...someone, forgive me I don't remember who, posted a very good article about how the body decomposes, how long under what conditions etc...it was some time back and I didn't keep it....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2008, 03:28:38 PM
Im sorry, Im getting biitchingbi.  I will go get a coke at Sonic, their stock is going down, they NEED me.  Bbl.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  Hey, can you get me somethin' to drink while you're there? Somethin' fruity please.  ::MonkeyTongue::
You bet, going right now.


Cherry Limeade at Sonic is terrific.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 03:30:47 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::

She would have had to be in there long enough to get the stink on so bad though,right?


Yep...but I think that would happen rather quickly in the FL heat...someone, forgive me I don't remember who, posted a very good article about how the body decomposes, how long under what conditions etc...it was some time back and I didn't keep it....

So has this screwed up the timeline again?I'm sorry but I get so blasted confused sometimes...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/83.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 03:31:16 PM
The argument on this missing child's thread needs to stop right now.  I stepped away and came back and see this.  Right now I don't know whom did what and will read back, but EVERYONE:  STOP IT RIGHT NOW.  WARNING!!

My apologies Muffy. I actually got involved in this one, because I felt Higherhopes was being bashed without cause. I am sorry for my partaking in the argument.

stayhomemommy ~ I see your apology and accept it. And I ask that monkeys use the "report to moderator" button if there is a problem.  Even if a monkey is bashing another monkey, jumping in to the fray adds to it, and become a part of the argument.  I am going to leave what went on here and let Klaas look at when she gets back.  She will make  the decisions as to whom did what and if anyone deserves a time out or banning, I'm sure she will take care of that


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flamom on October 24, 2008, 03:31:39 PM
I believe in that 11 day time period there may have been some digging up and putting the baby back into the car when she.. was more decomposed.. ugh..  ::MonkeyEek::
I betcha she did have her in a cooler because back when Caylee disappeared, it was as hot as hell here in Fla


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 03:32:07 PM

Everyone should read page 22 and 23 Air Sampling summary.

67% known to be associated with decomposition.
Out of 16 compounds....7 were significant HUMAN  decomp chemicals.

Casey Anthony had a decomposing HUMAN body in the trunk of her car! That is the conclusion here...it's there in black and white.  A jury will see that and hear the testimony from the people that performed the tests.


Do wh know if Casey was buying a lot of ICE?


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Blonde ... considering what was said on Nancy Grace regarding how chloroform was made ... it would be intesteresting to know if ice was included in any of Casey Anthony's purchases and ... the related dates.

Janet

______


NANCY GRACE
Casey`s On-Line Searches for Chloroform Recipes
Aired October 22, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


GRACE: To our producer, Natisha Lance. We had you look it up. How do you make chloroform? How difficult is it?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: It`s very easy, Nancy. You can use bleach or pool shock (ph) to make it, acetone, as well as lots of ice. And there`s another way you can make it, too, with alcohol or hypochloride.

GRACE: OK. Part of your answer cut out. Repeat. How do you make chloroform?

LANCE: There`s two different ways you can make it. One of them is with bleach or pool shock, acetone and ice.

GRACE: Wait, wa-wait. Bleach or what?

LANCE: Pool shock?

GRACE: OK. Go ahead.

LANCE: Acetone and ice. And the other way to make it is with alcohol and hypochloride.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/22/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 24, 2008, 03:32:31 PM
The argument on this missing child's thread needs to stop right now.  I stepped away and came back and see this.  Right now I don't know whom did what and will read back, but EVERYONE:  STOP IT RIGHT NOW.  WARNING!!

My apologies Muffy. I actually got involved in this one, because I felt Higherhopes was being bashed without cause. I am sorry for my partaking in the argument.

stayhomemommy ~ I see your apology and accept it. And I ask that monkeys use the "report to moderator" button if there is a problem.  Even if a monkey is bashing another monkey, jumping in to the fray adds to it, and become a part of the argument.  I am going to leave what went on here and let Klaas look at when she gets back.  She will make  the decisions as to whom did what and if anyone deserves a time out or banning, I'm sure she will take care of that

Thank you. I will definitely heed your advice. And I completely understand. Much appreciation!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 03:32:54 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::


Sunny, I believe the PDF specifies chemicals consistent with anaerobic decomp, doesn't it?  This would be consistent with a container of some sort.  I wonder if that's what the purchase at JCP could have been, a Coleman cooler or similar or one to replace one taken if the dates are not correct?

Anna!! ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance:: That certainly seems to be a HUGE possibility...and something bought at JCP was important....enough that Cindy didn't want it known and Rob Dick mentioned it being important!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flamom on October 24, 2008, 03:35:16 PM
Nancy Grace oughta be a good one tonight, if its her there and not JVM
Nancy vs Koby, the cage match  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 24, 2008, 03:35:43 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::

She would have had to be in there long enough to get the stink on so bad though,right?


Yep...but I think that would happen rather quickly in the FL heat...someone, forgive me I don't remember who, posted a very good article about how the body decomposes, how long under what conditions etc...it was some time back and I didn't keep it....
I saved the info without the link ::MonkeyConfused::

Moment of Death:
1} The heart stops
2} The skin gets tight and grey in color
3} All the muscles relax
4} The bladder and bowels empty
. . . .4a - Men will get an erection. No, I don't know when, exactly. I really didn't feel like calling up the local mortuary and asking this. And there's people on my mailing list I could have asked, I bet, but it's kind of weird popping up and asking that. No pun intended. I'm not sure my parents know what erections are, so I can't ask them. I did read that this was one of the reasons hangings were so well attended by women, back in the old.days. Big Laffs, seeing the Hung, hung.
5} The body's temperature will typically drop 1.5 degrees F. per hour unless outside environment is a factor. The liver is the organ that stays warmest the longest, and this temperature is used to establish time of death if the body is found within that time frame.
After 30 minutes:
6} The skin gets purple and waxy
7} The lips, finger- and toe nails fade to a pale color or turn white as the blood leaves.
8} Blood pools at the lowest parts of the body leaving a dark purple-black stain called lividity
9} The hands and feet turn blue
10} The eyes start to sink into the skull
After 4 hours:
11} Rigor mortis starts to set in
12} The purpling of the skin and pooling of blood continue
13} Rigor Mortis begins to tighten the muscles for about another 24 hours, then will reverse and the body will return to a limp state.
After 12 hours:
14} The body is in full rigor mortis.
After 24 hours:
15} The body is now the temperature of the surrounding environment
16} In males, the semen dies
17} The head and neck are now a greenish-blue color
18} The greenish-blue color continues to spread to the rest of the body
19} There is the strong smell of rotting meat20} The face of the person is essentially no longer recognizable
After 3 days:
21} The gases in the body tissues form large blisters on the skin
22} The whole body begins to bloat and swell grotesquely. This process is speeded up if victim is in a hot environment, or in water
23} Fluids leak from the mouth, nose, eyes, ears and rectum and urinary opening
After 3 weeks:
24} The skin, hair, and nails are so loose they can be easily pulled off the corpse
25} The skin cracks and bursts open in many places because of the pressure of Internal gases and the breakdown of the skin itself
26} Decomposition will continue until body is nothing but skeletal remains, which can take as little as a month in hot climates and two months in cold climates. The teeth are often the only thing left, years and centuries later, because tooth enamel is the strongest substance in the body. The jawbone is the densest, so that usually will also remain. So don't forget - brush regularly and floss only if you're really bored.
_____________


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 24, 2008, 03:37:56 PM
Nancy Grace oughta be a good one tonight, if its her there and not JVM
Nancy vs Koby, the cage match  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I agree.  I believe they got a lot of complaints about JVM being rude to Tim Miller...at least based on everyone here (including myself) who said they sent in a complaint. Anyhow, I saw her (JVM) fill in for Glenn Beck and she was totally different. Maybe she tried to be like Nancy when filling in for her?

Nonetheless, I am looking forward to hearing what Nancy says tonight. But if it is JVM, I won't watch and will have to get updates on here later.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Blaze on October 24, 2008, 03:38:17 PM
Say guys, what position did GA hold in Ohio with LE?  Anyone know?

I remember either George or his brother Rick saying he was a Homicide Investigator.

George would have the knowledge on how to conceal the crime better than anyone.  I think he was retired from this = he did this job for a long time.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 03:39:53 PM
I went back and did a search on the forum and I don't see anyone posting about this before- so I am going to post it- just in case anyone is interested.

There is an Eric J. Baker facebook listing- but I can't view it- I am not a friend- don't know how that works

but his networks are listed as Kansas '10 and Orlando
He looks young and if he is in fact deceased I am thinking this may be him.
His picture is terrible but I enlarged it by 200% and sharpened and call me crazy- but I think there is a slight resemblance to Caylee.
I dunno- I am probably crazy- but willing to email the picture if someone wants to see it cleaned up


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 24, 2008, 03:40:58 PM
At the risk of being gross, I will share with you a little info on how this Florida heat can affect a body.  This is 100% true info, as I witnessed this a few years ago.  I was doing work for a non-profit organization and we were called to come pick up a truck full of household items because the owner has passed away.  This call did not seem unusual as this often happened.  Seniors would often move to Florida, pass away and the children sometimes never wanted anything....just needed everything cleaned out.  I went to this condo, accompanied by two men that were going to pack up the contents.  The condo manager met us and accompanied us up the elevator.  The deceased mans condo was directly across from the elevator.  Immediately, I noticed towels rolled up in front of the door.  The manager explained that he had recently had an exterminator out to the condo, so I thought this was the reason for the towels.  The manager opened the door and I thought I was going to die!!! The fumes were so bad that the men with me ran to the end of the hall, heaving over the balcony.  The manager then explained that the gentleman had passed away inside the condo and was there for two weeks before being discovered.  His air conditioner was turned off and had not been on in the two week period.  The carpets had been stripped from the floor, the paint has been removed from the walls....all in an attempt to deal with the odor.  All of the man's body fluid had seeped into the carpet and had actually leaked through the floor....into the unit directly below.  That is how his body was discovered.  Of course, we told the manager that we couldn't accept anything and he told us that everything would be "disposed of."  This was a shame, as there were some great antiques in the home but I just couldn't deal with the odor and everything seemed to be saturated.  This was inside a dwelling....not in the trunk of a car. The temperatures in a car can rise very high in the Florida heat. I just cannot imagine what the situation in that car must have been like!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 24, 2008, 03:43:26 PM
At the risk of being gross, I will share with you a little info on how this Florida heat can affect a body.  This is 100% true info, as I witnessed this a few years ago.  I was doing work for a non-profit organization and we were called to come pick up a truck full of household items because the owner has passed away.  This call did not seem unusual as this often happened.  Seniors would often move to Florida, pass away and the children sometimes never wanted anything....just needed everything cleaned out.  I went to this condo, accompanied by two men that were going to pack up the contents.  The condo manager met us and accompanied us up the elevator.  The deceased mans condo was directly across from the elevator.  Immediately, I noticed towels rolled up in front of the door.  The manager explained that he had recently had an exterminator out to the condo, so I thought this was the reason for the towels.  The manager opened the door and I thought I was going to die!!! The fumes were so bad that the men with me ran to the end of the hall, heaving over the balcony.  The manager then explained that the gentleman had passed away inside the condo and was there for two weeks before being discovered.  His air conditioner was turned off and had not been on in the two week period.  The carpets had been stripped from the floor, the paint has been removed from the walls....all in an attempt to deal with the odor.  All of the man's body fluid had seeped into the carpet and had actually leaked through the floor....into the unit directly below.  That is how his body was discovered.  Of course, we told the manager that we couldn't accept anything and he told us that everything would be "disposed of."  This was a shame, as there were some great antiques in the home but I just couldn't deal with the odor and everything seemed to be saturated.  This was inside a dwelling....not in the trunk of a car. The temperatures in a car can rise very high in the Florida heat. I just cannot imagine what the situation in that car must have been like!!!

Wow! Is all I can say. Well, no wonder she kept mentioning the smell to people...calling it a dead animal! Ugh. I am sick over the whole idea of it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 03:43:37 PM
Thankyou Blonde for the facts! It at least shows me that Caylee was in the trunk long enough for her to deteriorate into a bad state for sure..Poor little Caylee....(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/gifs5/AddEmoticons12683.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 03:45:04 PM
I went back and did a search on the forum and I don't see anyone posting about this before- so I am going to post it- just in case anyone is interested.

There is an Eric J. Baker facebook listing- but I can't view it- I am not a friend- don't know how that works

but his networks are listed as Kansas '10 and Orlando
He looks young and if he is in fact deceased I am thinking this may be him.
His picture is terrible but I enlarged it by 200% and sharpened and call me crazy- but I think there is a slight resemblance to Caylee.
I dunno- I am probably crazy- but willing to email the picture if someone wants to see it cleaned up

I am sure I will get ridiculed but here it is

(http://kerrystreasurechest.com/KTC/ejb1.jpg)

moderator- if I should not be doing this- please take this picture down


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2008, 03:45:05 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::


Sunny, I believe the PDF specifies chemicals consistent with anaerobic decomp, doesn't it?  This would be consistent with a container of some sort.  I wonder if that's what the purchase at JCP could have been, a Coleman cooler or similar or one to replace one taken if the dates are not correct?

Anna!! ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance:: That certainly seems to be a HUGE possibility...and something bought at JCP was important....enough that Cindy didn't want it known and Rob Dick mentioned it being important!!


Aerobic = sustained by air/oxygen
Anaerobic = sustained without air/oxygen

Maybe I am reading that wrong but if not, the only way I can think of for decomp to happen in anaerobic manner would be in "air tight" container.  Of course we all know that everything begins to "leak" on a molecular level right away but it would cause different type of decomp.

So even in airtight container, there would be leakage but would slow down process and also create a different type of decomp than that when exposed to air.

Ergo, I conclude a container that was basically airtight was used.  Now what kind I have no idea but Igloos are used for organ transplants being flown across the country, etc.  Maybe somethng along those lines?



JMO, of course.

.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sal on October 24, 2008, 03:48:11 PM
What was the first day that KC mentioned the smell and what day did she say she got rid of it?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 03:49:15 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::


Sunny, I believe the PDF specifies chemicals consistent with anaerobic decomp, doesn't it?  This would be consistent with a container of some sort.  I wonder if that's what the purchase at JCP could have been, a Coleman cooler or similar or one to replace one taken if the dates are not correct?

Anna!! ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance:: That certainly seems to be a HUGE possibility...and something bought at JCP was important....enough that Cindy didn't want it known and Rob Dick mentioned it being important!!


Aerobic = sustained by air/oxygen
Anaerobic = sustained without air/oxygen

Maybe I am reading that wrong but if not, the only way I can think of for decomp to happen in anaerobic manner would be in "air tight" container.  Of course we all know that everything begins to "leak" on a molecular level right away but it would cause different type of decomp.

So even in airtight container, there would be leakage but would slow down process and also create a different type of decomp than that when exposed to air.

Ergo, I conclude a container that was basically airtight was used.  Now what kind I have no idea but Igloos are used for organ transplants being flown across the country, etc.  Maybe somethng along those lines?



JMO, of course.

.




(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs2/thohsnap1.gif)  Dry ice!!Could she have used that?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sal on October 24, 2008, 03:51:49 PM
Wouldn't the gases being emitted from the body cause any container to pop open?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blaze on October 24, 2008, 03:52:32 PM
Thankyou Blonde for the facts! It at least shows me that Caylee was in the trunk long enough for her to deteriorate into a bad state for sure..Poor little Caylee....(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/gifs5/AddEmoticons12683.gif)

Maybe that's why KC having them nightmares.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 03:52:40 PM

Everyone should read page 22 and 23 Air Sampling summary.

67% known to be associated with decomposition.
Out of 16 compounds....7 were significant HUMAN  decomp chemicals.

Casey Anthony had a decomposing HUMAN body in the trunk of her car! That is the conclusion here...it's there in black and white.  A jury will see that and hear the testimony from the people that performed the tests.


Do wh know if Casey was buying a lot of ICE?


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Blonde ... considering what was said on Nancy Grace regarding how chloroform was made ... it would be intesteresting to know if ice was included in any of Casey Anthony's purchases and ... the related dates.

Janet

______


NANCY GRACE
Casey`s On-Line Searches for Chloroform Recipes
Aired October 22, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


GRACE: To our producer, Natisha Lance. We had you look it up. How do you make chloroform? How difficult is it?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: It`s very easy, Nancy. You can use bleach or pool shock (ph) to make it, acetone, as well as lots of ice. And there`s another way you can make it, too, with alcohol or hypochloride.

GRACE: OK. Part of your answer cut out. Repeat. How do you make chloroform?

LANCE: There`s two different ways you can make it. One of them is with bleach or pool shock, acetone and ice.

GRACE: Wait, wa-wait. Bleach or what?

LANCE: Pool shock?

GRACE: OK. Go ahead.

LANCE: Acetone and ice. And the other way to make it is with alcohol and hypochloride.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/22/ng.01.html



Thank you for the transcripts..  ::MonkeyWink::

I hope this hasn't been addressed already..  I believe the FBI report said that the chloroform air sample did not detect acetone or "alcohols"? (I'm guessing this is why Dr Flowers (?) said this suggests the chloroform in the car was "pure".. not something created with various ingredients.   Am I remembering the report correctly?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: irishbosoxfan on October 24, 2008, 03:53:01 PM
I feel like I'm stuck in the middle of some long standing argument and I don't like that feeling!

I had posted my observations of the report based on my knowledge of the science involved--I am currently working on a degree in Police Science--figured I'd get that out there before it came into question!

My experience in the field goes beyond my current position as student--So much has changed since I started this calling!

I had posted what I did hopefully to dispel incorrect notions--Now that being said I understand that this is a message board and contains people from all walks of life--but for me, in my profession, it's all about facts and evidence....we do work with theorys but they have to be based on the facts

I came here because this case has wound it's way into my heart and a lot of people don't understand that they way that the people here do

I wasn't trying to incite riots or put anyone down or back anyone up--I was trying to lend my expertise to the facts in evidence--While many people do understand the reports they can be confusing and I had found that some of the report has been misconstrued and was trying to clear up the discrepincies before they became accepted as fact

We have many professional people who post and for that I am grateful--we all should be--we can learn from their hard won experiences and expand our knowledge on subjects we may not be familiar with

Everyone has opinions and should feel free to express them--our opinions are based on our feelings and the way we feel can never be wrong...but...our reasons for having those feelings can be and if someone has information that could lead to us to see those reasons differently we need to be open to listening to them

That's all--I think!! Just wanted to get this out before I was blacklisted for something beyond my control!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: invision on October 24, 2008, 03:53:40 PM
Klaas....you have mail...........TY

Do you know when you are going to be able to post those pictures from your trip?

I'm not HH .... but I know some have been anxiously awaiting pics from her trip to Orlando .... I don't know where she searched specifically ... (I think w/Murt off Boggy Creek) ... I too searched around the area of Boggy Creek Road ... it was on J. Lawson Blvd off of Boggy Creek within the "ping" area ...

I thought I would share some photos so that you all can at least see what TES and other searchers are up against .... This area is HEAVILY wooded and very swampy ... It is not a pleasant area to be walking around in BUT very easy to hide a body ...

There are A LOT of swampy, wooded areas surrounding the airport .... I was very SURPRISED when we started driving around these areas, exactly how many small lakes and wooded patches there are ...

I'm sure when HH gets back she will have some great photos to share as well ... just thought you all might like to get a "feel" for the areas (kind of like a "visual" aid)  Google Earth is good, but not as good as real photos ...

(http://i36.tinypic.com/hsw9q1.jpg)

(http://i34.tinypic.com/20tihw0.jpg)

(http://i38.tinypic.com/2aiiogg.jpg)

(http://i33.tinypic.com/2zqg1ub.jpg)

(http://i35.tinypic.com/n1auyu.jpg)




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 24, 2008, 03:53:45 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::


Sunny, I believe the PDF specifies chemicals consistent with anaerobic decomp, doesn't it?  This would be consistent with a container of some sort.  I wonder if that's what the purchase at JCP could have been, a Coleman cooler or similar or one to replace one taken if the dates are not correct?

Anna!! ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance:: That certainly seems to be a HUGE possibility...and something bought at JCP was important....enough that Cindy didn't want it known and Rob Dick mentioned it being important!!


Aerobic = sustained by air/oxygen
Anaerobic = sustained without air/oxygen

Maybe I am reading that wrong but if not, the only way I can think of for decomp to happen in anaerobic manner would be in "air tight" container.  Of course we all know that everything begins to "leak" on a molecular level right away but it would cause different type of decomp.

So even in airtight container, there would be leakage but would slow down process and also create a different type of decomp than that when exposed to air.

Ergo, I conclude a container that was basically airtight was used.  Now what kind I have no idea but Igloos are used for organ transplants being flown across the country, etc.  Maybe somethng along those lines?



JMO, of course.

.



Hi Anna, makes some sense to me... and I can add a little bit.

Scenario 1) the car is moving and the air-tight container gets jostled. Lid comes off, fluids leak out. It's easy to imagine this one.

Scenario 2) Gases from decomposing body fill the air-tight container and the lid pops of much as a lid on a container does in a microwave oven.

In any container there is the "displacement level" as discovered by Archimedes. That means there is only so much actually room contained in any object.

As the gases release the pressure builds. When the pressure hits it's limit - top pops. It's actually pretty simple.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 03:53:47 PM
I am trying so hard to keep up.  Where and in what context did the guy say they knew who the father was?

Shasta - it was Dr. Baden and he was talking on FOXNEWS that he believes LE knows who Caylee's father is based upon the DNA they have.  He sounded certain that LE would know the identity and also sounded as if he knew the identity based upon DNA.  He did not elaborate as to WHO he believed the father was.


Dr. Baden did specify that forensic DNA testing of the strands of hair could determine the paternity but ... according to the released report ... only Mitochondrial DNA testing was conducted.  Mitochondrial DNA testing  does not reveal anything about the paternity ...

However ... if DNA testing went further than Mitochondrial ... the paternity could be confirmed but ... it is my understanding ... the father's DNA would be required.  Consider the Lee Anthony's DNA was only taken not even a couple of weeks ago ...

Janet

+++++++++

On the Record w/ Greta
Caylee Search: Psychics, Jail Visits Refused, 'Body Farm' Techniques
Tuesday, August 12, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: Did Casey Anthony's car trunk carry a dead body? Both detectives and Casey's mother, Cindy, say they noticed an odor coming from that trunk that they seemed to be -- that of a decomposing body, is what they said. Well, right now, anthropologists from the University of Tennessee's facility known as "the body farm" are testing air samples from the car's trunk. What can the tests prove?

Joining us live is forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden. Dr. Baden, can they take an air sample from the trunk and determine whether or not there had been a body decomposing in that truck?

DR. MICHAEL BADEN, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Yes, because after we die and the bacteria proliferate in our body and start breaking down our muscles and our fat and organs, vapors, gases, are formed with beautiful names like cadaverine (ph) and putrescine (ph) that are a particular structure that are easily picked up in the toxicology lab if they're collected from the area, the air that the body was in. And if there was a dead body in the trunk of the car and they collected the air sample, they should be able to find those chemicals.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Now, this timeline begins probably sometime July -- June 15 is Father's Day.

BADEN: Right.

Watch Greta's interview with Dr. Baden

VAN SUSTEREN: June 16 is the last day that the grandfather saw that child, and it isn't until July 15 that the police are called. Let's say hypothetically that a body that began decomposing as soon as the 16th...

BADEN: Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... Were placed in that trunk, if you examined the truck now on August whatever this is, 11, would you still -- would the test still be as effective?

QUESTION: It would not be as effective now as it was when the cadaver dog alerted to it and the detective and the grandma said they smelled the decomposition. There was also some stains there. See, the air will dissipate over time, whereas the stain that was there would still be there. And if it were decomposition fluid or blood, that can be identified. And that's better than just the odor because you can do DNA on a stain and see if it came from Casey (SIC).

VAN SUSTEREN: I suppose...

BADEN: Or the baby.

VAN SUSTEREN: I supposed that it wouldn't necessarily be that either one would necessarily be conclusive, but it's sort of the combination would certainly be more persuasive than standing alone.

BADEN: Yes. Yes. And the stain could tell you DNA. The hair -- remember, there was hair there. The hair has DNA.

VAN SUSTEREN: And can also tell whether someone had been dead or not, the hair.

BADEN: That's right. The hair can tell you who the daddy is, as well as the baby, and also whether it came from a dead person or a living person.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, Dr. Baden. Thank you, sir.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html


Casey Anthony's Father To Testify Against Her In Front Of Grand Jury
POSTED: 5:56 pm EDT October 9, 2008
UPDATED: 6:29 pm EDT October 9, 2008


George and Cindy Anthony voluntarily gave up DNA samples this week so investigators could scientifically exclude either of them as the source of the hair and stain in Casey's trunk, but investigators had to get a search warrant to get Casey's brother Lee to submit to a DNA test. He also has refused to take a lie detector test for the FBI.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17680298/detail.html


Mitochondrial DNA:

Within the cell cytoplasm there are organelles called mitochondria. The mictochondria contain mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) which is the type of DNA analyzed in order to identify deceased remains.  Mitochondrial DNA is inherited from the mother, not from the father.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/info/info_1337.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2008, 03:53:57 PM
A cooler type container with or without ice.  I wonder if any of the receipts found in the car by LE were for ice. 

Maybe that's where the "frozen foods" she had when Tony picked her up come into play as well as backing the car into the garage to within inches of that deep freezer?

All speculation, of course, but the anaerobic statement does tend toward a container at the least.  Perhaps one like Coleman that has the plug for drainage of water as ice melts and resulted in decomp material leaking out of that plug into the trunk.

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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 24, 2008, 03:55:25 PM
Kerry, thanks for posting that picture.  Honestly, it was hard for me to tell either way. Maybe some of the other monkeys will be able to see the resemblance  ::MonkeyWink::


I sure hope NG gives Kobe the smack down tonight!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 03:57:58 PM



Yep...but I think that would happen rather quickly in the FL heat...someone, forgive me I don't remember who, posted a very good article about how the body decomposes, how long under what conditions etc...it was some time back and I didn't keep it....
I saved the info without the link ::MonkeyConfused::

Moment of Death:
1} The heart stops
2} The skin gets tight and grey in color
3} All the muscles relax
4} The bladder and bowels empty
. . . .4a - Men will get an erection. No, I don't know when, exactly. I really didn't feel like calling up the local mortuary and asking this. And there's people on my mailing list I could have asked, I bet, but it's kind of weird popping up and asking that. No pun intended. I'm not sure my parents know what erections are, so I can't ask them. I did read that this was one of the reasons hangings were so well attended by women, back in the old.days. Big Laffs, seeing the Hung, hung.
5} The body's temperature will typically drop 1.5 degrees F. per hour unless outside environment is a factor. The liver is the organ that stays warmest the longest, and this temperature is used to establish time of death if the body is found within that time frame.
After 30 minutes:
6} The skin gets purple and waxy
7} The lips, finger- and toe nails fade to a pale color or turn white as the blood leaves.
8} Blood pools at the lowest parts of the body leaving a dark purple-black stain called lividity
9} The hands and feet turn blue
10} The eyes start to sink into the skull
After 4 hours:
11} Rigor mortis starts to set in
12} The purpling of the skin and pooling of blood continue
13} Rigor Mortis begins to tighten the muscles for about another 24 hours, then will reverse and the body will return to a limp state.
After 12 hours:
14} The body is in full rigor mortis.
After 24 hours:
15} The body is now the temperature of the surrounding environment
16} In males, the semen dies
17} The head and neck are now a greenish-blue color
18} The greenish-blue color continues to spread to the rest of the body
19} There is the strong smell of rotting meat20} The face of the person is essentially no longer recognizable
After 3 days:
21} The gases in the body tissues form large blisters on the skin
22} The whole body begins to bloat and swell grotesquely. This process is speeded up if victim is in a hot environment, or in water
23} Fluids leak from the mouth, nose, eyes, ears and rectum and urinary opening
After 3 weeks:
24} The skin, hair, and nails are so loose they can be easily pulled off the corpse
25} The skin cracks and bursts open in many places because of the pressure of Internal gases and the breakdown of the skin itself
26} Decomposition will continue until body is nothing but skeletal remains, which can take as little as a month in hot climates and two months in cold climates. The teeth are often the only thing left, years and centuries later, because tooth enamel is the strongest substance in the body. The jawbone is the densest, so that usually will also remain. So don't forget - brush regularly and floss only if you're really bored.
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Thanks.....even without the link ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 03:58:03 PM
Im back.  This is O/T kinda.  Have you ever read the the book "The Thing About Life Is One Day You'll Be Dead' It is by David Shields. It talks about how the body breaks down from the womb to the tomb and I won't do a book report but it is very entertaining.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2008, 03:59:46 PM
Rob, I completely agree about displacement and gases except would add that the plug could have popped as well or either plug or top or my guess would be both.

Imagine Casey's surprise when that happened.  Guess she should have stayed in school a bit longer.

Container would also explain transportation later.  The dates all give me a headache but decomp without oxygen would require a container of some sort or other.  Surely not even Casey would try to use just storage bin but never know.  Anything basically that would block out oxygen would have to have been used for tests to report that specific type of decomp. wouldn't it?

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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:00:05 PM
I went back and did a search on the forum and I don't see anyone posting about this before- so I am going to post it- just in case anyone is interested.

There is an Eric J. Baker facebook listing- but I can't view it- I am not a friend- don't know how that works

but his networks are listed as Kansas '10 and Orlando
He looks young and if he is in fact deceased I am thinking this may be him.
His picture is terrible but I enlarged it by 200% and sharpened and call me crazy- but I think there is a slight resemblance to Caylee.
I dunno- I am probably crazy- but willing to email the picture if someone wants to see it cleaned up

I don't no nittin' 'bout pictures...but we got some smart monkeys here who do...I'd be interested in seeing it


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 04:00:29 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...


That proves that what I said is true to those of you that don't believe what I said. Who told us that caylees body was in the car for 11 days? Proves my point and I am right.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons1267.gif)

OHMYGAWD Taters I am so glad I had put my hot tea down before I saw this!!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Tater ... you are so funny.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 24, 2008, 04:00:55 PM
Sometimes, I really have to wonder about the amount of information the media releases.  For me, it would have been more that satisfactory to just say that KC was searching for ways to make chloroform.  Now that the media has all released the recipe, commented on how easy and affordable it is to make, I have to wonder how many crimes will now be used using this to sedate people during crimes???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:01:49 PM
At the risk of being gross, I will share with you a little info on how this Florida heat can affect a body.  This is 100% true info, as I witnessed this a few years ago.  I was doing work for a non-profit organization and we were called to come pick up a truck full of household items because the owner has passed away.  This call did not seem unusual as this often happened.  Seniors would often move to Florida, pass away and the children sometimes never wanted anything....just needed everything cleaned out.  I went to this condo, accompanied by two men that were going to pack up the contents.  The condo manager met us and accompanied us up the elevator.  The deceased mans condo was directly across from the elevator.  Immediately, I noticed towels rolled up in front of the door.  The manager explained that he had recently had an exterminator out to the condo, so I thought this was the reason for the towels.  The manager opened the door and I thought I was going to die!!! The fumes were so bad that the men with me ran to the end of the hall, heaving over the balcony.  The manager then explained that the gentleman had passed away inside the condo and was there for two weeks before being discovered.  His air conditioner was turned off and had not been on in the two week period.  The carpets had been stripped from the floor, the paint has been removed from the walls....all in an attempt to deal with the odor.  All of the man's body fluid had seeped into the carpet and had actually leaked through the floor....into the unit directly below.  That is how his body was discovered.  Of course, we told the manager that we couldn't accept anything and he told us that everything would be "disposed of."  This was a shame, as there were some great antiques in the home but I just couldn't deal with the odor and everything seemed to be saturated.  This was inside a dwelling....not in the trunk of a car. The temperatures in a car can rise very high in the Florida heat. I just cannot imagine what the situation in that car must have been like!!!

UGH!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 04:04:43 PM
I went back and did a search on the forum and I don't see anyone posting about this before- so I am going to post it- just in case anyone is interested.

There is an Eric J. Baker facebook listing- but I can't view it- I am not a friend- don't know how that works

but his networks are listed as Kansas '10 and Orlando
He looks young and if he is in fact deceased I am thinking this may be him.
His picture is terrible but I enlarged it by 200% and sharpened and call me crazy- but I think there is a slight resemblance to Caylee.
I dunno- I am probably crazy- but willing to email the picture if someone wants to see it cleaned up

I don't no nittin' 'bout pictures...but we got some smart monkeys here who do...I'd be interested in seeing it

just go back one page. I just kept thinking of how she looks in the car seat picture. Like I said I am probably crazy and now I feel bad for posting it. I'm considering taking it down- I don't want to drag one more person into this mess if they don't have anything to do with it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:05:40 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::


Sunny, I believe the PDF specifies chemicals consistent with anaerobic decomp, doesn't it?  This would be consistent with a container of some sort.  I wonder if that's what the purchase at JCP could have been, a Coleman cooler or similar or one to replace one taken if the dates are not correct?

Anna!! ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance:: That certainly seems to be a HUGE possibility...and something bought at JCP was important....enough that Cindy didn't want it known and Rob Dick mentioned it being important!!


Aerobic = sustained by air/oxygen
Anaerobic = sustained without air/oxygen

Maybe I am reading that wrong but if not, the only way I can think of for decomp to happen in anaerobic manner would be in "air tight" container.  Of course we all know that everything begins to "leak" on a molecular level right away but it would cause different type of decomp.

So even in airtight container, there would be leakage but would slow down process and also create a different type of decomp than that when exposed to air.

Ergo, I conclude a container that was basically airtight was used.  Now what kind I have no idea but Igloos are used for organ transplants being flown across the country, etc.  Maybe somethng along those lines?
JMO, of course.

and Casey is a big CSI fan so she might know that... ::MonkeyWink:: We have an Igloo and that thing keeps ice in it for days....when we were without electricity in TX for 4 days we put our frozen meat in the Igloo and it stayed frozen even without ice in it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:06:48 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::


Sunny, I believe the PDF specifies chemicals consistent with anaerobic decomp, doesn't it?  This would be consistent with a container of some sort.  I wonder if that's what the purchase at JCP could have been, a Coleman cooler or similar or one to replace one taken if the dates are not correct?

Anna!! ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance:: That certainly seems to be a HUGE possibility...and something bought at JCP was important....enough that Cindy didn't want it known and Rob Dick mentioned it being important!!


Aerobic = sustained by air/oxygen
Anaerobic = sustained without air/oxygen

Maybe I am reading that wrong but if not, the only way I can think of for decomp to happen in anaerobic manner would be in "air tight" container.  Of course we all know that everything begins to "leak" on a molecular level right away but it would cause different type of decomp.

So even in airtight container, there would be leakage but would slow down process and also create a different type of decomp than that when exposed to air.

Ergo, I conclude a container that was basically airtight was used.  Now what kind I have no idea but Igloos are used for organ transplants being flown across the country, etc.  Maybe somethng along those lines?



JMO, of course.

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(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs2/thohsnap1.gif)  Dry ice!!Could she have used that?

I would certainly think so


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blaze on October 24, 2008, 04:09:16 PM
Rob, I completely agree about displacement and gases except would add that the plug could have popped as well or either plug or top or my guess would be both.

Imagine Casey's surprise when that happened.  Guess she should have stayed in school a bit longer.

Container would also explain transportation later.  The dates all give me a headache but decomp without oxygen would require a container of some sort or other.  Surely not even Casey would try to use just storage bin but never know.  Anything basically that would block out oxygen would have to have been used for tests to report that specific type of decomp. wouldn't it?

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You guys are sooo smart. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 24, 2008, 04:10:13 PM
Rob, I completely agree about displacement and gases except would add that the plug could have popped as well or either plug or top or my guess would be both.

Imagine Casey's surprise when that happened.  Guess she should have stayed in school a bit longer.

Container would also explain transportation later.  The dates all give me a headache but decomp without oxygen would require a container of some sort or other.  Surely not even Casey would try to use just storage bin but never know.  Anything basically that would block out oxygen would have to have been used for tests to report that specific type of decomp. wouldn't it?

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ya know this has been a sticking point for most Anna. Meaning - was Casey planning on ditching the car or burning the car. The explanation is probably much less complex.

Casey is a young killer and can not take into consideration all known and unknown events that will occur.

A lid pops off, or a valve is left open and that accounts for the smell in the car and was not planned, nor considered, by Casey.

As Caylee is decomposing, in an air-tight environment, the bacteria is working it's magic. However, it is not ventilated which in itself would have produced the mother of all aromas when that lid pop or valve released. This is a situation no one can plan for. You can't put that smell back in the bottle or just roll down a window. It's there and not going anywhere.

It would also explain why there is a small stain and not a large decomp area that a body would naturally make is it decays.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 04:10:17 PM
A cooler type container with or without ice.  I wonder if any of the receipts found in the car by LE were for ice. 

Maybe that's where the "frozen foods" she had when Tony picked her up come into play as well as backing the car into the garage to within inches of that deep freezer?

All speculation, of course, but the anaerobic statement does tend toward a container at the least.  Perhaps one like Coleman that has the plug for drainage of water as ice melts and resulted in decomp material leaking out of that plug into the trunk.

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Anna - I suggested that as well before the document release today.  It would be easy to buy/use/dispose of a cooler with wheels.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 24, 2008, 04:12:16 PM
One more curious thing to me...when Cindy picked up Casey from Tony's on July 15th why did Casey who never parts with her cell phone leave it at Tony's house?  I just found that strange.   

I wondered about that, too.  Most girls like Casey who live on their phone would have picked it up automatically before leaving with Cindy.  Perhaps she was too upset to be aware of what she had with her?  Nah...that is just a weird thing.  She would have taken her purse and cell phone, automatically.
Casey left her phone at Tony's?
So how did Cindy and Casey go through all of Casey's contacts and notify them that Caylee was missing for 31 days?

Lee went to Tony's apartment the night of July 15th to retrieve all of Casey's things...he got her phone and brought it back home.
Didn't Lee get back home real late that night?Didn't Cindy and Casey get a hold of all of Casey's friends before the police arrived?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 24, 2008, 04:13:08 PM
You guys are sooo smart. 

Blaze - thanks. Too bad you weren't around to see us bankrupt Aruba. You probably would have really appreciated that.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sal on October 24, 2008, 04:15:21 PM
"The details of the report released Friday are probably part of what the grand jury heard last week before indicting Casey, but it's not all of the evidence. The thousands of tips that were called in on the case are expected to be released soon and Eyewitness News has learned the vast majority of them are from psychics."


Source:  http://www.wftv.com/news/17793661/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/17793661/detail.html)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 04:15:23 PM
FYI - Don't discount it - this happened in Montana during the summer.  Remember this story?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,419122,00.html



Police: Montana Mother Kept Dead Son, 2, in Car Trunk
Monday , September 08, 2008
 GREAT FALLS, Mont. —

The body of a toddler found in the trunk of his mother's car may have been there for months as she drove around town, evaded questions about him and was even arrested, police said.

The mother, Summer ManyWhiteHorses, was charged Monday with deliberate homicide. Authorities say the body of her 2-year-old son, James, was found Friday in the trunk of her car — more than six weeks after it was towed to a wrecking yard when she was arrested.

Deputy County Attorney Joel Thompson said authorities have yet to determine how or when the boy died. An autopsy is being conducted. According to court records, ManyWhiteHorses told police the boy's death was an accident, and that she placed his body in the car's trunk on May 29.

ManyWhiteHorses was being held on $250,000 bail. During a brief court hearing, she appeared without an attorney and was provided forms for a public defender.

Personnel at the Cascade County Detention Center turned away a reporter's attempt to speak with her Monday because it was outside visiting hours.

ManyWhiteHorses was first arrested July 21, after authorities said she was driving erratically. As police attempted to pull her over, she drove through several stoplights and crashed into a parked car. Her 11-year-old daughter was in the back seat and, unknown to police, the toddler's body was apparently in the trunk, authorities said.

Police officers did not search the trunk, and the car was towed. ManyWhiteHorses was arrested, and child welfare officials began looking into placing the daughter into state custody.

ManyWhiteHorses was given misdemeanor citations in connection with the crash and later released from jail. Authorities said she did not retrieve her car even though she was free to do so.

Child welfare officials moved for custody of the daughter in August and were trying to determine the boy's whereabouts.

During the investigation, authorities learned that ManyWhiteHorses told relatives the state had taken the toddler long ago, that state officials were told initially the child was in Browning and then later that he was in Portland, Ore.

"Her stories varied based upon who she was talking to," said police Detective Bruce McDermott.

Police were brought into the case last week after child welfare agents could not verify the toddler's location. A short time later, ManyWhiteHorses told officers the toddler, who had autism, had died in late May, according to court records. ManyWhiteHorses told police she put the body in the trunk, wrapped in a blanket inside a garbage bag, the affidavit said.

Officers went to the wrecking yard and found the boy's body in the trunk, authorities said.

ManyWhiteHorses' aunt, Ernestine Small, said she had taken care of the two children during ManyWhiteHorses' prior run-ins with the law. Small had been hoping to take custody again this summer, but was told by ManyWhiteHorses that the toddler had been placed in foster care.

"Nobody expected this," Small said in an interview at the courthouse. "I know she gets violent, but never thought she would do this to her baby."

Both prosecutors and police said the officers followed the law by not searching the trunk after ManyWhiteHorses' July 21 arrest, saying legal cause and a search warrant would have been needed.

"Police had no reason to believe there was anything of evidentiary value in the trunk," McDermott said.

Small, ManyWhiteHorses' aunt, said the officers could not have known to search the trunk.

"Why would they?" she said.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 24, 2008, 04:15:23 PM
If you were in a close proximity with a decomposing body...i.e. inside the same car....wouldn't that odor permeate your hair, clothing, etc???  I wonder why the people around her when she would get out of the car didn't pick up on a foul odor???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 04:15:32 PM
Ok here goes...Some of you know that I have always leaned towards Hefty steel garbage bags.I still do not see why this could not be a possibility?They could certainly be airtight and cause suffication.Help me understand why it is not possible they were used...I keep thinking about Jessica Lundsford...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs2/489.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:15:33 PM
I went back and did a search on the forum and I don't see anyone posting about this before- so I am going to post it- just in case anyone is interested.

There is an Eric J. Baker facebook listing- but I can't view it- I am not a friend- don't know how that works

but his networks are listed as Kansas '10 and Orlando
He looks young and if he is in fact deceased I am thinking this may be him.
His picture is terrible but I enlarged it by 200% and sharpened and call me crazy- but I think there is a slight resemblance to Caylee.
I dunno- I am probably crazy- but willing to email the picture if someone wants to see it cleaned up

I am sure I will get ridiculed but here it is

(http://kerrystreasurechest.com/KTC/ejb1.jpg)

moderator- if I should not be doing this- please take this picture down

thanks for the picture....I really don't see a resemblance...but don't go by me..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: CuriousCat on October 24, 2008, 04:16:08 PM
One more curious thing to me...when Cindy picked up Casey from Tony's on July 15th why did Casey who never parts with her cell phone leave it at Tony's house?  I just found that strange.   

I wondered about that, too.  Most girls like Casey who live on their phone would have picked it up automatically before leaving with Cindy.  Perhaps she was too upset to be aware of what she had with her?  Nah...that is just a weird thing.  She would have taken her purse and cell phone, automatically.
Casey left her phone at Tony's?
So how did Cindy and Casey go through all of Casey's contacts and notify them that Caylee was missing for 31 days?

Lee went to Tony's apartment the night of July 15th to retrieve all of Casey's things...he got her phone and brought it back home.
Didn't Lee get back home real late that night?Didn't Cindy and Casey get a hold of all of Casey's friends before the police arrived?

While LE are at Anthony home questioning family, Lee goes to Tony's apt. and picks up Casey's laptop, large leopard print duffle bag w/clothing, white backpack w/clothing, large purse with toiletries, female items.
Leaves midnight on 7/15, returns 2:25 am on 7/16.

IIRC, it is no more than a 20 min drive from Tony's to the Anthony home. So where was he for 2 hours?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:17:07 PM
Wouldn't the gases being emitted from the body cause any container to pop open?

I would think so at some point and perhaps that's how the stain got in the trunk


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: nicnic on October 24, 2008, 04:17:58 PM


GRACE: OK. Part of your answer cut out. Repeat. How do you make chloroform?

LANCE: There`s two different ways you can make it. One of them is with bleach or pool shock, acetone and ice.







wow...that's interesting.
acetone...as in nail polish remover??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 04:19:32 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...


That proves that what I said is true to those of you that don't believe what I said. Who told us that caylees body was in the car for 11 days? Proves my point and I am right.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons1267.gif)

OHMYGAWD Taters I am so glad I had put my hot tea down before I saw this!!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Tater ... you are so funny.

Janet

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons04231.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:20:37 PM
Klaas....you have mail...........TY

Do you know when you are going to be able to post those pictures from your trip?

I'm not HH .... but I know some have been anxiously awaiting pics from her trip to Orlando .... I don't know where she searched specifically ... (I think w/Murt off Boggy Creek) ... I too searched around the area of Boggy Creek Road ... it was on J. Lawson Blvd off of Boggy Creek within the "ping" area ...

I thought I would share some photos so that you all can at least see what TES and other searchers are up against .... This area is HEAVILY wooded and very swampy ... It is not a pleasant area to be walking around in BUT very easy to hide a body ...

There are A LOT of swampy, wooded areas surrounding the airport .... I was very SURPRISED when we started driving around these areas, exactly how many small lakes and wooded patches there are ...

I'm sure when HH gets back she will have some great photos to share as well ... just thought you all might like to get a "feel" for the areas (kind of like a "visual" aid)  Google Earth is good, but not as good as real photos ...

(http://i36.tinypic.com/hsw9q1.jpg)

(http://i34.tinypic.com/20tihw0.jpg)

(http://i38.tinypic.com/2aiiogg.jpg)

(http://i33.tinypic.com/2zqg1ub.jpg)

(http://i35.tinypic.com/n1auyu.jpg)




thanks for the photos...I would hate to search in some of those areas


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 04:21:39 PM
Ok here goes...Some of you know that I have always leaned towards Hefty steel garbage bags.I still do not see why this could not be a possibility?They could certainly be airtight and cause suffication.Help me understand why it is not possible they were used...I keep thinking about Jessica Lundsford...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs2/489.gif)
Ok, this is probably the ickiest thing Ive ever said in my life but I would put the body in a box instead of a plastic bag because I could not stand to "feel" the contents of it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Blaze on October 24, 2008, 04:22:00 PM
You guys are sooo smart. 

Blaze - thanks. Too bad you weren't around to see us bankrupt Aruba. You probably would have really appreciated that.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

This is the only forum I belong to.  I have so much respect for you guys.  Watching you all in action is incredible.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:22:49 PM
A cooler type container with or without ice.  I wonder if any of the receipts found in the car by LE were for ice. 

Maybe that's where the "frozen foods" she had when Tony picked her up come into play as well as backing the car into the garage to within inches of that deep freezer?

All speculation, of course, but the anaerobic statement does tend toward a container at the least.  Perhaps one like Coleman that has the plug for drainage of water as ice melts and resulted in decomp material leaking out of that plug into the trunk..

Oh I hadn't thought of that possibility...keep talking Anna!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2008, 04:23:12 PM
Ok here goes...Some of you know that I have always leaned towards Hefty steel garbage bags.I still do not see why this could not be a possibility?They could certainly be airtight and cause suffication.Help me understand why it is not possible they were used...I keep thinking about Jessica Lundsford...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs2/489.gif)


Yes, that would be possible if they would hold that amount of liquid weight.  I think that decomp fluids would have leaked out with expelling of gases unless very secure.  Several could have been used, one inside the other and tied with something very strong or elastic.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 04:23:51 PM
Ok here goes...Some of you know that I have always leaned towards Hefty steel garbage bags.I still do not see why this could not be a possibility?They could certainly be airtight and cause suffication.Help me understand why it is not possible they were used...I keep thinking about Jessica Lundsford...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs2/489.gif)
Ok, this is probably the ickiest thing Ive ever said in my life but I would put the body in a box instead of a plastic bag because I could not stand to "feel" the contents of it.

But you could lift it and drag it without having too? The ties on them suckers are very strong too..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 04:24:53 PM
Ok here goes...Some of you know that I have always leaned towards Hefty steel garbage bags.I still do not see why this could not be a possibility?They could certainly be airtight and cause suffication.Help me understand why it is not possible they were used...I keep thinking about Jessica Lundsford...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs2/489.gif)


Yes, that would be possible if they would hold that amount of liquid weight.  I think that decomp fluids would have leaked out with expelling of gases unless very secure.  Several could have been used, one inside the other and tied with something very strong or elastic.

That's what I have been saying all along Anna..Casey double bagged her!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:25:03 PM
Sometimes, I really have to wonder about the amount of information the media releases.  For me, it would have been more that satisfactory to just say that KC was searching for ways to make chloroform.  Now that the media has all released the recipe, commented on how easy and affordable it is to make, I have to wonder how many crimes will now be used using this to sedate people during crimes???

or children being exposed to it!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:26:23 PM
I went back and did a search on the forum and I don't see anyone posting about this before- so I am going to post it- just in case anyone is interested.

There is an Eric J. Baker facebook listing- but I can't view it- I am not a friend- don't know how that works

but his networks are listed as Kansas '10 and Orlando
He looks young and if he is in fact deceased I am thinking this may be him.
His picture is terrible but I enlarged it by 200% and sharpened and call me crazy- but I think there is a slight resemblance to Caylee.
I dunno- I am probably crazy- but willing to email the picture if someone wants to see it cleaned up

I don't no nittin' 'bout pictures...but we got some smart monkeys here who do...I'd be interested in seeing it

just go back one page. I just kept thinking of how she looks in the car seat picture. Like I said I am probably crazy and now I feel bad for posting it. I'm considering taking it down- I don't want to drag one more person into this mess if they don't have anything to do with it.

thanks I saw it....don't worry about posting it..... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2008, 04:28:14 PM
Also the decomp gases would tend to blow up the garbage bags much like a balloon. 

And they would be harder to carry but anything that blocked out oxygen could have been used as the report does specify anaerobic.  I think it was LP who said something about decomp being on a garbage bag?

Waiting for more information is frustrating.  I think I will print the reports that are sideways in the PDF as I can't read them otherwise and see if anything of interest or that I can understand is there.  Most of it is 'way over my head, however.  Maybe some others can better explain these?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 04:29:23 PM

She might not have had the body in there for 11 days but if fluid leaked out that would still smell.

katntx ... I agree.

It must not be forgotton that on June 18th ... Casey Anthony borrowed a shovel from the neighbour and returned it one hour later.  Cindy claimed that Casey returned home to dig up a troublesome bamboo plant.

It must not be forgotton that two cadaver dogs hit on one location near the playhouse in the Anthony's back yard.

I speculate that maybe Caylee's little body was placed in a plastic bag and ... buried in the back yard until just prior to when Casey vehicle was abandoned at Amscot.  Maybe when Caylee's remains were retrieved from the back yard and ... placed inside the trunk of Casey's vehicle to be transferred to a more secure location ... the bag broke and compositin permenated the inside of the trunk.

Janet

+++++++

George Anthony Set To Testify Against Casey In Front Of Grand Jury
POSTED: 6:11 am EDT October 10, 2008
UPDATED: 1:58 pm EDT October 13, 2008


Sources told Eyewitness News the Orange County grand jury will hear about high levels of chloroform in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car. The panel will hear how lab tests on the hair and the stain in the trunk will show that Caylee's body was in that trunk and that investigators also believe the little girl's body was at some point in the Anthony's backyard near her playhouse.

The focus on when Caylee was murdered is on the afternoon of June 16, sometime between mid-day, when Caylee's grandfather last saw her alive with Casey, and the evening, when Casey went to her boyfriend's apartment without Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17684992/detail.html


NANCY GRACE
Bounty Hunter Thinks Casey Anthony had an Accomplice
Aired September 17, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: ... So there had to be somebody giving her a hand at that time because if you`re dealing with a body in a garbage bag, it`s, like -- you know, it`s an awful thing to say, but if you talk to a coroner or somebody that`s handled cadavers, they`ll tell you it`s like having 30 pounds of stew in a garbage bag. And if you have a bone breakthrough, it`ll just literally cover the trunk of the car with fluids. So you basically have to have somebody with you to help you keep somewhat your composure and also to get it over into the dumpster.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/17/ng.01.html


Crime Expert Analyzes Casey Anthony Case, Evidence
POSTED: 4:04 pm EDT July 23, 2008
UPDATED: 4:17 pm EDT July 23, 2008


The Anthony's Backyard: Involved a tip that Casey Anthony borrowed a shovel from a neighbor. Two cadaver dogs pointed to the smell of decomposition near Caylee's playhouse.

Casey Anthony's Car: Detectives reported a different dog alerted to the same strong smell in the trunk after the white Pontiac had been abandoned in a parking lot

http://www.wftv.com/news/16968013/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Anninflorida on October 24, 2008, 04:30:30 PM
Just thinking out loud here.....

If LA knew KC was guilty and he was the one that went to Tony's apartment to gather her things, why wouldn't he have gotten rid of anything that might incriminate her...like the laptop?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 04:30:44 PM
Anna - what do you think about a large trash bag then into a large piece of rolling luggage?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: alwayz-wondering on October 24, 2008, 04:31:55 PM
Klaas  - I have something OT but crime board related that I would like to ask you, can I email you please?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:32:02 PM
FYI - Don't discount it - this happened in Montana during the summer.  Remember this story?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,419122,00.html



Police: Montana Mother Kept Dead Son, 2, in Car Trunk
Monday , September 08, 2008
 GREAT FALLS, Mont. —

The body of a toddler found in the trunk of his mother's car may have been there for months as she drove around town, evaded questions about him and was even arrested, police said.

The mother, Summer ManyWhiteHorses, was charged Monday with deliberate homicide. Authorities say the body of her 2-year-old son, James, was found Friday in the trunk of her car — more than six weeks after it was towed to a wrecking yard when she was arrested.

Deputy County Attorney Joel Thompson said authorities have yet to determine how or when the boy died. An autopsy is being conducted. According to court records, ManyWhiteHorses told police the boy's death was an accident, and that she placed his body in the car's trunk on May 29.

ManyWhiteHorses was being held on $250,000 bail. During a brief court hearing, she appeared without an attorney and was provided forms for a public defender.

Personnel at the Cascade County Detention Center turned away a reporter's attempt to speak with her Monday because it was outside visiting hours.

ManyWhiteHorses was first arrested July 21, after authorities said she was driving erratically. As police attempted to pull her over, she drove through several stoplights and crashed into a parked car. Her 11-year-old daughter was in the back seat and, unknown to police, the toddler's body was apparently in the trunk, authorities said.

Police officers did not search the trunk, and the car was towed. ManyWhiteHorses was arrested, and child welfare officials began looking into placing the daughter into state custody.

ManyWhiteHorses was given misdemeanor citations in connection with the crash and later released from jail. Authorities said she did not retrieve her car even though she was free to do so.

Child welfare officials moved for custody of the daughter in August and were trying to determine the boy's whereabouts.

During the investigation, authorities learned that ManyWhiteHorses told relatives the state had taken the toddler long ago, that state officials were told initially the child was in Browning and then later that he was in Portland, Ore.

"Her stories varied based upon who she was talking to," said police Detective Bruce McDermott.

Police were brought into the case last week after child welfare agents could not verify the toddler's location. A short time later, ManyWhiteHorses told officers the toddler, who had autism, had died in late May, according to court records. ManyWhiteHorses told police she put the body in the trunk, wrapped in a blanket inside a garbage bag, the affidavit said.

Officers went to the wrecking yard and found the boy's body in the trunk, authorities said.

ManyWhiteHorses' aunt, Ernestine Small, said she had taken care of the two children during ManyWhiteHorses' prior run-ins with the law. Small had been hoping to take custody again this summer, but was told by ManyWhiteHorses that the toddler had been placed in foster care.

"Nobody expected this," Small said in an interview at the courthouse. "I know she gets violent, but never thought she would do this to her baby."

Both prosecutors and police said the officers followed the law by not searching the trunk after ManyWhiteHorses' July 21 arrest, saying legal cause and a search warrant would have been needed.

"Police had no reason to believe there was anything of evidentiary value in the trunk," McDermott said.

Small, ManyWhiteHorses' aunt, said the officers could not have known to search the trunk.

"Why would they?" she said.

It's so hard to even imagine a parent harming their child.....but then I read this and think about  and Susan Smith and CASEY..so many people who would love to have children and can't...and then people like this....makes me so angry!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 04:32:19 PM
Good afternoon monkeys.....DNA results are very interesting.......

Have we still not seen Lee? or heard from him.....I have been out of touch so I have some catching up to do......

Does anyone have Lee's address?

Keep up the good work monkeys..........

No but ive got his phone number...lol!

It's only about 1 1/2 mile from parents
4148 Eagle Feather Dr

It is rumored that he thinks it's funny that the news media has not figured this out.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sal on October 24, 2008, 04:32:28 PM
Anna - what do you think about a large trash bag then into a large piece of rolling luggage?

They definitely sell luggage at JCP.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 04:34:20 PM
Klaas  - I have something OT but crime board related that I would like to ask you, can I email you please?

Sure, smklaas@hotmail.com


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:35:28 PM
Also the decomp gases would tend to blow up the garbage bags much like a balloon. 

And they would be harder to carry but anything that blocked out oxygen could have been used as the report does specify anaerobic.  I think it was LP who said something about decomp being on a garbage bag?

Waiting for more information is frustrating.  I think I will print the reports that are sideways in the PDF as I can't read them otherwise and see if anything of interest or that I can understand is there.  Most of it is 'way over my head, however.  Maybe some others can better explain these?


I am going to print the whole report...but have to wait for DH to bring a new ink cartridge!! ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 04:35:59 PM
thanks sunnyintx. I will be very curious to know who the father turns out to be if we ever do find out.

re you're comment about children being exposed

I hate that kids are exposed to any of this stuff.

I remember just about having a heart attack when I saw that picture of that little girl carrying around that sign that said "how could you kill a baby like me".
It just made me sick to my stomach and I must have sent the Orlando Sent. about 40 emails BEGGING them to take it down. What kind of parent takes their very young child to that kind of hostile environment to begin with... and then lets them hold a sign like that! Even if she thought she was making a statement- she was USING her child to achieve that objective!!! grrr!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 04:37:20 PM

It's so hard to even imagine a parent harming their child.....but then I read this and think about  and Susan Smith and CASEY..so many people who would love to have children and can't...and then people like this....makes me so angry!!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sunny it is so hard to image.  Both Susan Smith and Casey Anthony were blessed with gifts beyond worth ... they both had it all and ... did not realize it.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Steel Monkey on October 24, 2008, 04:37:46 PM
If you guys look at the part of the files that talk about pizza, It says no pizza was found in the car. They did take a pizza for a control subject to see if maggots grew on it but it clearly states that NO PIZZA was found in the car. I guess it was a pizza box. Remember Cindy's yelling NO ODOR. Hey cindy- NO PIZZA!!

I found that incredibly interesting as well -- as I thought that Padilla told us that KC ordered a pizza and put it in her trunk to try to disguise the smell of the dead body.

Anyone else remember Mr Padilla saying that -- I think on Nancy Grace??

I read the transcript. He was very specific??

I guess he was wrong? Or I'm wrong and I imagined the conversation??

I could be wrong here..but to me the "no pizza" means that it was not pizza, as in pieces of pizza, that was causing the odor.  In other words, there was no pizza lying loose in the trunk..so that means the pizza was in a box and contained in that trash bag and not lying loose in the trunk of the car to gather maggots or flies.

No the report specifically states "no pizza was actually found in the vehicle"  Which means no pizza at all,pieces or otherwise

Thank you

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

When the CSI techs arrived to take samples of the inside of the trunk at the LE garage, there was NO PIZZA in the trunk.  LE had already collected it from the impound lot, and it remains as OTHER evidence not supplied for the testing that took place on this day.

I'll have mine Double Pepperoni - well done please.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 04:39:11 PM
FYI - Don't discount it - this happened in Montana during the summer.  Remember this story?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,419122,00.html



Police: Montana Mother Kept Dead Son, 2, in Car Trunk
Monday , September 08, 2008
 GREAT FALLS, Mont. —

The body of a toddler found in the trunk of his mother's car may have been there for months as she drove around town, evaded questions about him and was even arrested, police said.

The mother, Summer ManyWhiteHorses, was charged Monday with deliberate homicide. Authorities say the body of her 2-year-old son, James, was found Friday in the trunk of her car — more than six weeks after it was towed to a wrecking yard when she was arrested.

Deputy County Attorney Joel Thompson said authorities have yet to determine how or when the boy died. An autopsy is being conducted. According to court records, ManyWhiteHorses told police the boy's death was an accident, and that she placed his body in the car's trunk on May 29.

ManyWhiteHorses was being held on $250,000 bail. During a brief court hearing, she appeared without an attorney and was provided forms for a public defender.

Personnel at the Cascade County Detention Center turned away a reporter's attempt to speak with her Monday because it was outside visiting hours.

ManyWhiteHorses was first arrested July 21, after authorities said she was driving erratically. As police attempted to pull her over, she drove through several stoplights and crashed into a parked car. Her 11-year-old daughter was in the back seat and, unknown to police, the toddler's body was apparently in the trunk, authorities said.

Police officers did not search the trunk, and the car was towed. ManyWhiteHorses was arrested, and child welfare officials began looking into placing the daughter into state custody.

ManyWhiteHorses was given misdemeanor citations in connection with the crash and later released from jail. Authorities said she did not retrieve her car even though she was free to do so.

Child welfare officials moved for custody of the daughter in August and were trying to determine the boy's whereabouts.

During the investigation, authorities learned that ManyWhiteHorses told relatives the state had taken the toddler long ago, that state officials were told initially the child was in Browning and then later that he was in Portland, Ore.

"Her stories varied based upon who she was talking to," said police Detective Bruce McDermott.

Police were brought into the case last week after child welfare agents could not verify the toddler's location. A short time later, ManyWhiteHorses told officers the toddler, who had autism, had died in late May, according to court records. ManyWhiteHorses told police she put the body in the trunk, wrapped in a blanket inside a garbage bag, the affidavit said.

Officers went to the wrecking yard and found the boy's body in the trunk, authorities said.

ManyWhiteHorses' aunt, Ernestine Small, said she had taken care of the two children during ManyWhiteHorses' prior run-ins with the law. Small had been hoping to take custody again this summer, but was told by ManyWhiteHorses that the toddler had been placed in foster care.

"Nobody expected this," Small said in an interview at the courthouse. "I know she gets violent, but never thought she would do this to her baby."

Both prosecutors and police said the officers followed the law by not searching the trunk after ManyWhiteHorses' July 21 arrest, saying legal cause and a search warrant would have been needed.

"Police had no reason to believe there was anything of evidentiary value in the trunk," McDermott said.

Small, ManyWhiteHorses' aunt, said the officers could not have known to search the trunk.

"Why would they?" she said.

It's so hard to even imagine a parent harming their child.....but then I read this and think about  and Susan Smith and CASEY..so many people who would love to have children and can't...and then people like this....makes me so angry!!

Me too Sunny! I had 7 different surgeries to have my one.Some aren't even blessed in getting that... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 04:41:38 PM
I like Leonard Padilla, but I think some of his suggestions have been pretty far out in left field. 

But he does usually make you think and go hmmmmm.  LMAO

Still trying to check up, has anyone discussed Casey's shower being do to wash off gasoline smell.  I know its been thought that is was probably decomp smell, but it could be gas -- that might have been used to clean car. 

At this point I'm not even sure that fits into the timeline.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 24, 2008, 04:42:23 PM
A cooler type container with or without ice.  I wonder if any of the receipts found in the car by LE were for ice. 

Maybe that's where the "frozen foods" she had when Tony picked her up come into play as well as backing the car into the garage to within inches of that deep freezer?

All speculation, of course, but the anaerobic statement does tend toward a container at the least.  Perhaps one like Coleman that has the plug for drainage of water as ice melts and resulted in decomp material leaking out of that plug into the trunk..

Oh I hadn't thought of that possibility...keep talking Anna!!

OK, so we have KC killing Caylee on approximately June 16th, she chloroforms her and hides her in the trunk, maybe to fake a kidnapping, she places frantic calls to parental units who are NOT answering or returning her calls. Later she checks on Caylee and discovers she has passed away. Now she is in a panic, she grabs the Igloo container from her parents garage and puts the baby in there, nice and tight and contained. She's tooling around town, deciding what to do and going to parties. The gases come into play and eventually the top pops or the drainage plug pops (isn't there a plastic hinge on the plug so you can drain when needed?) Now it starts smelling and she has to get rid of the body fast. Or it could have leaked when she pulled it from the trunk and it sloshed. She can't give the container back and George is sure to notice, esp if they just bought it this summer. So she goes to JCP and buys a replacement at the all out summer sale! You KNOW how KC loves a sale or coupons!  Cindy sees the Igloo that they bought earlier this summer on her statement and says WTF!!! We didn't buy another one of that!! Next thing you know she is pointing it out to everyone, see that igloo there? Police weren't interested in it, Yep, I would have given it to them if they wanted but nope, they didn't take it!  The way I'm thinking Cindy saw that statement and noticed something on there very suspious, luggage? Well KC was planning on traveling, but an item the family had ALREADY purchased, dated June 27th and there it sits in their garage, all spanking new.... panic sets in. "Casey, what have you done?"  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 04:43:52 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


I realize this is your opinion, but HH has done alot to help us with info on this case and I don't believe she has lied about anything. That was uncalled for IMO!


I second that Monken!!!!!!  Uncalled for!!!!!

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:46:34 PM

It's so hard to even imagine a parent harming their child.....but then I read this and think about  and Susan Smith and CASEY..so many people who would love to have children and can't...and then people like this....makes me so angry!!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sunny it is so hard to image.  Both Susan Smith and Casey Anthony were blessed with gifts beyond worth ... they both had it all and ... did not realize it.

Janet

Think of the many people who would have been so willing to take these children and love them...both SS and Casey had choices....they made the choice to kill their children..my mind can't comprehend doing that....I guess that's why murders like these grab people so deeply....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: alwayz-wondering on October 24, 2008, 04:47:03 PM
Klaas  - I have something OT but crime board related that I would like to ask you, can I email you please?

Sure, smklaas@hotmail.com

thank you, you have mail  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 24, 2008, 04:47:52 PM

It's so hard to even imagine a parent harming their child.....but then I read this and think about  and Susan Smith and CASEY..so many people who would love to have children and can't...and then people like this....makes me so angry!!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sunny it is so hard to image.  Both Susan Smith and Casey Anthony were blessed with gifts beyond worth ... they both had it all and ... did not realize it.

Janet

ABSOLUTELY. I tried 6 years for my son, and now it has been a year and a half trying for #2 with no luck. Everytime I hear a story like this, I just want to scream WHY?!!!! I am blessed to have my son, and although we would LOVE to have another- I will be forever grateful that I could at least have him. It must be just excruciatingly heartbreaking for people who are not even able to have one to see children being killed by a mother who doesn't want them.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:49:05 PM


It's so hard to even imagine a parent harming their child.....but then I read this and think about  and Susan Smith and CASEY..so many people who would love to have children and can't...and then people like this....makes me so angry!!

Me too Sunny! I had 7 different surgeries to have my one.Some aren't even blessed in getting that... ::MonkeyNoNo::

WOW...your children are indeed blessings. My son is now and has always as been my world...I can't imagine life without him ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mgoblue on October 24, 2008, 04:49:21 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!


I realize this is your opinion, but HH has done alot to help us with info on this case and I don't believe she has lied about anything. That was uncalled for IMO!


I second that Monken!!!!!!  Uncalled for!!!!!

PJ :flower:

I'm confused. Can the doctors/scientists truly identify who is Caylee's father based upon the evidence that's been released?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kristipartyof5 on October 24, 2008, 04:49:38 PM
I like Leonard Padilla, but I think some of his suggestions have been pretty far out in left field. 
I agree!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 04:49:40 PM
One more curious thing to me...when Cindy picked up Casey from Tony's on July 15th why did Casey who never parts with her cell phone leave it at Tony's house?  I just found that strange.   

IIRC- LE picked up her cell phone from Tony's before Lee got there.  I wonder why they didn't get her computer and bags then.  I would also be curious if the computer was on while they were there or already had the screen of death.  - just wondering........

I wondered about that, too.  Most girls like Casey who live on their phone would have picked it up automatically before leaving with Cindy.  Perhaps she was too upset to be aware of what she had with her?  Nah...that is just a weird thing.  She would have taken her purse and cell phone, automatically.
Casey left her phone at Tony's?
So how did Cindy and Casey go through all of Casey's contacts and notify them that Caylee was missing for 31 days?

Lee went to Tony's apartment the night of July 15th to retrieve all of Casey's things...he got her phone and brought it back home.
Didn't Lee get back home real late that night?Didn't Cindy and Casey get a hold of all of Casey's friends before the police arrived?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 04:51:59 PM
One more curious thing to me...when Cindy picked up Casey from Tony's on July 15th why did Casey who never parts with her cell phone leave it at Tony's house?  I just found that strange.   


I wondered about that, too.  Most girls like Casey who live on their phone would have picked it up automatically before leaving with Cindy.  Perhaps she was too upset to be aware of what she had with her?  Nah...that is just a weird thing.  She would have taken her purse and cell phone, automatically.
Casey left her phone at Tony's?
So how did Cindy and Casey go through all of Casey's contacts and notify them that Caylee was missing for 31 days?

Lee went to Tony's apartment the night of July 15th to retrieve all of Casey's things...he got her phone and brought it back home.
Didn't Lee get back home real late that night?Didn't Cindy and Casey get a hold of all of Casey's friends before the police arrived?


sorry.......  IIRC- LE picked up her cell phone from Tony's before Lee got there.  I wonder why they didn't get her computer and bags then.  I would also be curious if the computer was on while they were there or already had the screen of death.  - just wondering........



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:53:49 PM
I like Leonard Padilla, but I think some of his suggestions have been pretty far out in left field. 

But he does usually make you think and go hmmmmm.  LMAO

Still trying to check up, has anyone discussed Casey's shower being do to wash off gasoline smell.  I know its been thought that is was probably decomp smell, but it could be gas -- that might have been used to clean car. 

At this point I'm not even sure that fits into the timeline.

I sure would love to sit down and interrogate Jesse about that shower and a couple other things.....why was he so friendly with a gal that dumped him? Stole money from him?  Was/is he still besotted by her?  Did he protect her in some way and now doesn't know how to get out of it?  In fact reading many of the documents posted I found myself thinking why didn't the LE ask this or that....so many time they seemed to answer for  the person or assume what the person was going to say.....I was gritting my teeth!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 24, 2008, 04:54:43 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!

 

I realize this is your opinion, but HH has done alot to help us with info on this case and I don't believe she has lied about anything. That was uncalled for IMO!


I second that Monken!!!!!!  Uncalled for!!!!!

PJ :flower:

Hey PJ and others, don't worry about the comments from this afternoon, it was all taken care of by a Mod.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:56:07 PM
A cooler type container with or without ice.  I wonder if any of the receipts found in the car by LE were for ice. 

Maybe that's where the "frozen foods" she had when Tony picked her up come into play as well as backing the car into the garage to within inches of that deep freezer?

All speculation, of course, but the anaerobic statement does tend toward a container at the least.  Perhaps one like Coleman that has the plug for drainage of water as ice melts and resulted in decomp material leaking out of that plug into the trunk..

Oh I hadn't thought of that possibility...keep talking Anna!!

OK, so we have KC killing Caylee on approximately June 16th, she chloroforms her and hides her in the trunk, maybe to fake a kidnapping, she places frantic calls to parental units who are NOT answering or returning her calls. Later she checks on Caylee and discovers she has passed away. Now she is in a panic, she grabs the Igloo container from her parents garage and puts the baby in there, nice and tight and contained. She's tooling around town, deciding what to do and going to parties. The gases come into play and eventually the top pops or the drainage plug pops (isn't there a plastic hinge on the plug so you can drain when needed?) Now it starts smelling and she has to get rid of the body fast. Or it could have leaked when she pulled it from the trunk and it sloshed. She can't give the container back and George is sure to notice, esp if they just bought it this summer. So she goes to JCP and buys a replacement at the all out summer sale! You KNOW how KC loves a sale or coupons!  Cindy sees the Igloo that they bought earlier this summer on her statement and says WTF!!! We didn't buy another one of that!! Next thing you know she is pointing it out to everyone, see that igloo there? Police weren't interested in it, Yep, I would have given it to them if they wanted but nope, they didn't take it!  The way I'm thinking Cindy saw that statement and noticed something on there very suspious, luggage? Well KC was planning on traveling, but an item the family had ALREADY purchased, dated June 27th and there it sits in their garage, all spanking new.... panic sets in. "Casey, what have you done?"  ::MonkeyEek::

IMO this is certainly a possibility...and the statement Casey, what have you done really haunts me!!  What did she THINK Casey had done?? What made her think Casey had DONE SOMETHING???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mstam656 on October 24, 2008, 04:56:19 PM
Hey Casey, what's for supper?  smoked sausage, cajun rice, pinto beans, enriched bread, cake or cookie, beverage w/ vtiamin C......enjoy!
 ::MonkeyHaHa::






Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 04:58:40 PM
I like Leonard Padilla, but I think some of his suggestions have been pretty far out in left field. 
I agree!

Ditto...although I think his heart is in the right place...often time he makes a statement as though it were a FACT and in reality it is not a FACT, merely his opinion or theory


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MisterMichaelJ on October 24, 2008, 05:00:07 PM
Klaas....you have mail...........TY

Do you know when you are going to be able to post those pictures from your trip?

I'm not HH .... but I know some have been anxiously awaiting pics from her trip to Orlando .... I don't know where she searched specifically ... (I think w/Murt off Boggy Creek) ... I too searched around the area of Boggy Creek Road ... it was on J. Lawson Blvd off of Boggy Creek within the "ping" area ...

I thought I would share some photos so that you all can at least see what TES and other searchers are up against .... This area is HEAVILY wooded and very swampy ... It is not a pleasant area to be walking around in BUT very easy to hide a body ...

There are A LOT of swampy, wooded areas surrounding the airport .... I was very SURPRISED when we started driving around these areas, exactly how many small lakes and wooded patches there are ...

I'm sure when HH gets back she will have some great photos to share as well ... just thought you all might like to get a "feel" for the areas (kind of like a "visual" aid)  Google Earth is good, but not as good as real photos ...

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"IF" Cayleee is bury somewhere near/witihn these pics, then, it sure seems like a beautiful place.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 24, 2008, 05:01:36 PM
I like Leonard Padilla, but I think some of his suggestions have been pretty far out in left field. 

But he does usually make you think and go hmmmmm.  LMAO

Still trying to check up, has anyone discussed Casey's shower being do to wash off gasoline smell.  I know its been thought that is was probably decomp smell, but it could be gas -- that might have been used to clean car. 

At this point I'm not even sure that fits into the timeline.

I sure would love to sit down and interrogate Jesse about that shower and a couple other things.....why was he so friendly with a gal that dumped him? Stole money from him?  Was/is he still besotted by her?  Did he protect her in some way and now doesn't know how to get out of it?  In fact reading many of the documents posted I found myself thinking why didn't the LE ask this or that....so many time they seemed to answer for  the person or assume what the person was going to say.....I was gritting my teeth!!

Sunny I totally agree with you, BUT I have 2 sons, raised gentlemen by a single Mom and they have respect for women, they are both "protector" type men. Even when each had broken up with girlfriends, some even bad circumstances, they BOTH continued to talk to these b!tches and even go out on snowy days and help with car troubles, pick them up when stranded, etc. My daughter and I can't understand it, these women treated them like crap, but they play the poor defenseless me routine and these boys come a running. Both are now in great relationships with NORMAL women, in fact one is married now, but they still remain friends with the other gals. I don't get it either.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 05:03:28 PM

[Snipped other quotes]

Moment of Death:
1} The heart stops
2} The skin gets tight and grey in color
3} All the muscles relax
4} The bladder and bowels empty
. . . .4a - Men will get an erection. No, I don't know when, exactly. I really didn't feel like calling up the local mortuary and asking this. And there's people on my mailing list I could have asked, I bet, but it's kind of weird popping up and asking that. No pun intended. I'm not sure my parents know what erections are, so I can't ask them. I did read that this was one of the reasons hangings were so well attended by women, back in the old.days. Big Laffs, seeing the Hung, hung.
5} The body's temperature will typically drop 1.5 degrees F. per hour unless outside environment is a factor. The liver is the organ that stays warmest the longest, and this temperature is used to establish time of death if the body is found within that time frame.
After 30 minutes:
6} The skin gets purple and waxy
7} The lips, finger- and toe nails fade to a pale color or turn white as the blood leaves.
8} Blood pools at the lowest parts of the body leaving a dark purple-black stain called lividity
9} The hands and feet turn blue
10} The eyes start to sink into the skull
After 4 hours:
11} Rigor mortis starts to set in
12} The purpling of the skin and pooling of blood continue
13} Rigor Mortis begins to tighten the muscles for about another 24 hours, then will reverse and the body will return to a limp state.
After 12 hours:
14} The body is in full rigor mortis.
After 24 hours:
15} The body is now the temperature of the surrounding environment
16} In males, the semen dies
17} The head and neck are now a greenish-blue color
18} The greenish-blue color continues to spread to the rest of the body
19} There is the strong smell of rotting meat20} The face of the person is essentially no longer recognizable
After 3 days:
21} The gases in the body tissues form large blisters on the skin
22} The whole body begins to bloat and swell grotesquely. This process is speeded up if victim is in a hot environment, or in water
23} Fluids leak from the mouth, nose, eyes, ears and rectum and urinary opening
After 3 weeks:
24} The skin, hair, and nails are so loose they can be easily pulled off the corpse
25} The skin cracks and bursts open in many places because of the pressure of Internal gases and the breakdown of the skin itself
26} Decomposition will continue until body is nothing but skeletal remains, which can take as little as a month in hot climates and two months in cold climates. The teeth are often the only thing left, years and centuries later, because tooth enamel is the strongest substance in the body. The jawbone is the densest, so that usually will also remain. So don't forget - brush regularly and floss only if you're really bored.
[/b]_____________

I wish we could send this to Casey. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2008, 05:06:46 PM
Anna - what do you think about a large trash bag then into a large piece of rolling luggage?

Klaas,
I think anything as long as it was airtight and believe there has been some discussion of matched set of luggage in the past.

But anything airtight would work until the gases started to form and then there would be a problem.

I tend to agree that something with wheels would certainly make transportation easier.  And also agree that the temps would make for accelerated rate of decomp sort of like cooking in slow cooker.  Normal rates wouldn't really apply in that heat.

Also am amazed none of the searchers have been injured/bitten in those swampy areas.  Do hope all will exercise extreme caution when searching.

I guess all the report really tells us that that the remains were in the trunk during or after some level of decomp and that decomp took place in something airtight.

I also noted the reports don't seem at all interested in the pizza.  Airtight could mean the maggots became interested only after leak happened?  They would be then drawn to escaped fluids?

Would like to see the missing JCP statement.  I am sure LE has it by now.  They seem to hold on to things they plan to use, IMO.  But I also think Casey could have tried to replace something she might have used so it wouldn't be noticed to be missing. 

As always, JMO.  I am not as up on all the information on this investigation as so many monkeys are.

.

.





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 05:08:29 PM
Mistermichael, that was the nicest thing I have ever seen you post....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 05:12:51 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::


Sunny, I believe the PDF specifies chemicals consistent with anaerobic decomp, doesn't it?  This would be consistent with a container of some sort.  I wonder if that's what the purchase at JCP could have been, a Coleman cooler or similar or one to replace one taken if the dates are not correct?

Anna!! ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance:: That certainly seems to be a HUGE possibility...and something bought at JCP was important....enough that Cindy didn't want it known and Rob Dick mentioned it being important!!


Aerobic = sustained by air/oxygen
Anaerobic = sustained without air/oxygen

Maybe I am reading that wrong but if not, the only way I can think of for decomp to happen in anaerobic manner would be in "air tight" container.  Of course we all know that everything begins to "leak" on a molecular level right away but it would cause different type of decomp.

So even in airtight container, there would be leakage but would slow down process and also create a different type of decomp than that when exposed to air.

Ergo, I conclude a container that was basically airtight was used.  Now what kind I have no idea but Igloos are used for organ transplants being flown across the country, etc.  Maybe somethng along those lines?



JMO, of course.

.



Anyone have hard luggage?  How airtight is it?
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: invision on October 24, 2008, 05:13:07 PM
Anna - what do you think about a large trash bag then into a large piece of rolling luggage?

Klaas,
I think anything as long as it was airtight and believe there has been some discussion of matched set of luggage in the past.

But anything airtight would work until the gases started to form and then there would be a problem.

I tend to agree that something with wheels would certainly make transportation easier.  And also agree that the temps would make for accelerated rate of decomp sort of like cooking in slow cooker.  Normal rates wouldn't really apply in that heat.

Also am amazed none of the searchers have been injured/bitten in those swampy areas.  Do hope all will exercise extreme caution when searching.

I guess all the report really tells us that that the remains were in the trunk during or after some level of decomp and that decomp took place in something airtight.

I also noted the reports don't seem at all interested in the pizza.  Airtight could mean the maggots became interested only after leak happened?  They would be then drawn to escaped fluids?

Would like to see the missing JCP statement.  I am sure LE has it by now.  They seem to hold on to things they plan to use, IMO.  But I also think Casey could have tried to replace something she might have used so it wouldn't be noticed to be missing. 

As always, JMO.  I am not as up on all the information on this investigation as so many monkeys are.

.

.
IMO she would have had to have been placed in some sort of "trash bag" .... whether in a piece of luggage or a cooler ... Casey is obviously crazy ... but could you imagine "looking" at the decomposing body of a person, let alone a child (whether it is yours or not) ... Not just the stench alone, but the body does some pretty funky things in the process of decomp ... I would imagine, a gruesome sight!  I couldn't imagine "changing ice" and having to look at and smell that when the lid came off ... UGH!





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 05:14:58 PM

She might not have had the body in there for 11 days but if fluid leaked out that would still smell.

katntx ... I agree.

It must not be forgotton that on June 18th ... Casey Anthony borrowed a shovel from the neighbour and returned it one hour later.  Cindy claimed that Casey returned home to dig up a troublesome bamboo plant.

It must not be forgotton that two cadaver dogs hit on one location near the playhouse in the Anthony's back yard.

I speculate that maybe Caylee's little body was placed in a plastic bag and ... buried in the back yard until just prior to when Casey vehicle was abandoned at Amscot.  Maybe when Caylee's remains were retrieved from the back yard and ... placed inside the trunk of Casey's vehicle to be transferred to a more secure location ... the bag broke and composition permenated the inside of the trunk.

Janet

+++++++

George Anthony Set To Testify Against Casey In Front Of Grand Jury
POSTED: 6:11 am EDT October 10, 2008
UPDATED: 1:58 pm EDT October 13, 2008


Sources told Eyewitness News the Orange County grand jury will hear about high levels of chloroform in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car. The panel will hear how lab tests on the hair and the stain in the trunk will show that Caylee's body was in that trunk and that investigators also believe the little girl's body was at some point in the Anthony's backyard near her playhouse.

The focus on when Caylee was murdered is on the afternoon of June 16, sometime between mid-day, when Caylee's grandfather last saw her alive with Casey, and the evening, when Casey went to her boyfriend's apartment without Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17684992/detail.html


NANCY GRACE
Bounty Hunter Thinks Casey Anthony had an Accomplice
Aired September 17, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: ... So there had to be somebody giving her a hand at that time because if you`re dealing with a body in a garbage bag, it`s, like -- you know, it`s an awful thing to say, but if you talk to a coroner or somebody that`s handled cadavers, they`ll tell you it`s like having 30 pounds of stew in a garbage bag. And if you have a bone breakthrough, it`ll just literally cover the trunk of the car with fluids. So you basically have to have somebody with you to help you keep somewhat your composure and also to get it over into the dumpster.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/17/ng.01.html


Crime Expert Analyzes Casey Anthony Case, Evidence
POSTED: 4:04 pm EDT July 23, 2008
UPDATED: 4:17 pm EDT July 23, 2008


The Anthony's Backyard: Involved a tip that Casey Anthony borrowed a shovel from a neighbor. Two cadaver dogs pointed to the smell of decomposition near Caylee's playhouse.

Casey Anthony's Car: Detectives reported a different dog alerted to the same strong smell in the trunk after the white Pontiac had been abandoned in a parking lot

http://www.wftv.com/news/16968013/detail.html


I believe that the call to JCP on morning of August 27th from her parent's home could possibly have been an inquiry regarding luggage/backpack ... luggage/backpack to transfer Caylee's remains to ... Caylee's remains that were permenting the trunk with decomposition fluid leaking from a compromised plastic bag.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 05:17:01 PM
There may be some hard side luggage that would have an "O" ring to be airtight, but most hard sides I would say no.  Particularly if bought from Target etc.  I have a lot of experience with hard side luggage, from international travel, and own Samsonite hard side and Zero by Halliburton, neither are air tight.  jmho


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 05:17:02 PM
I have to go tidy up the house.  Going out of town tomorrow.  Mom always said, don't leave without cleaning up, Lord knows what the neighbors would say!!! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MisterMichaelJ on October 24, 2008, 05:17:20 PM
Mistermichael, that was the nicest thing I have ever seen you post....

TY, Always.....if I drop dead, the monkies can chip in and bury me there. Maybe Caylee and I can do a lil 'night fishing'  Glad you can see a lil of the 'real' me..in the beginning, my passion showed some anger, frustration, etc.... (mistermichaelj@hotmail.com)  "I" don't HIDE!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2008, 05:19:47 PM
Or wrapped in a rug which she later replaced from JCP?

Frozen food acts same as ice.  Tony did think it thawed for some reason.  Could be it wasn't still stiff like frozen or Casey was touching it which one doesn't usually do or get frostbite?  Yum, Tony.  Surely there is no connection in this regard but the thought did go through my head.

Oh, I don't know.  Any number of scenarios comes to mind that could have happened but the report does say decomp consistent with anaerobic decomp. 

I really need to read it again as there is too much for me to wrap my mind around in one reading.  But I think those are the two things we do know at this point.  Remains in the trunk and remains in something that blocked them from oxygen.  Guess anything else is just that, guessing.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 05:24:03 PM
Or wrapped in a rug which she later replaced from JCP?

Frozen food acts same as ice.  Tony did think it thawed for some reason.  Could be it wasn't still stiff like frozen or Casey was touching it which one doesn't usually do or get frostbite?  Yum, Tony.  Surely there is no connection in this regard but the thought did go through my head.

Oh, I don't know.  Any number of scenarios comes to mind that could have happened but the report does say decomp consistent with anaerobic decomp. 

I really need to read it again as there is too much for me to wrap my mind around in one reading.  But I think those are the two things we do know at this point.  Remains in the trunk and remains in something that blocked them from oxygen.  Guess anything else is just that, guessing.



Anna - do you know anything about dry ice?  What if Caylee was in a cooler in dry ice?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 05:24:40 PM
Maybe a piece of disposed luggage is what LE found in one of the dumpsters.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
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But I don't know about airtight.  I think the average hardside might keep a lot out, but the odors from a decomposing body, I don't know..Even this one, I don't know.  This is just an example. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 05:25:32 PM
If you guys look at the part of the files that talk about pizza, It says no pizza was found in the car. They did take a pizza for a control subject to see if maggots grew on it but it clearly states that NO PIZZA was found in the car. I guess it was a pizza box. Remember Cindy's yelling NO ODOR. Hey cindy- NO PIZZA!!

I found that incredibly interesting as well -- as I thought that Padilla told us that KC ordered a pizza and put it in her trunk to try to disguise the smell of the dead body.

Anyone else remember Mr Padilla saying that -- I think on Nancy Grace??

I read the transcript. He was very specific??

I guess he was wrong? Or I'm wrong and I imagined the conversation??

I could be wrong here..but to me the "no pizza" means that it was not pizza, as in pieces of pizza, that was causing the odor.  In other words, there was no pizza lying loose in the trunk..so that means the pizza was in a box and contained in that trash bag and not lying loose in the trunk of the car to gather maggots or flies.

No the report specifically states "no pizza was actually found in the vehicle"  Which means no pizza at all,pieces or otherwise

Thank you

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

When the CSI techs arrived to take samples of the inside of the trunk at the LE garage, there was NO PIZZA in the trunk.  LE had already collected it from the impound lot, and it remains as OTHER evidence not supplied for the testing that took place on this day.

I'll have mine Double Pepperoni - well done please.


Wrecker Service Manager Describes "Pungent" Smell In Casey's Towed Car
POSTED: 4:57 pm EDT September 26, 2008
UPDATED: 10:31 pm EDT September 28, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The manager of the wrecking yard where Casey Anthony's car was towed knew something just wasn't right. As soon as he opened the car, he told investigators, he became suspicious, but it's when he opened the trunk that he became concerned.

Simon Burch told investigators the smell was unbearable and that it didn't smell like garbage. He didn't want to go on camera Friday and talk about the case, but the transcript of his interview with investigators, released Friday, reveals some interesting information about Casey Anthony's car (read full transcript).

Casey Anthony's car was towed to Johnson Wrecker Service Narcoosee Road location at the end of June, a couple of weeks after Caylee was last seen by family and friends. According to the interview transcripts, operations manager Simon Burch started taking notice when George and Cindy Anthony picked up the car July 15.

Burch said there was "bickering … between the two of them." Burch told investigators George Anthony even told him, "I apologize. We'll probably get divorced over this. The daughter is telling us crap, a bunch of lies."

When George opened the car doors, Burch told investigators, "The smell was pungent. I mean it was, it knocked me back."

Just moments before, Burch said, George had been telling him about his missing granddaughter. When they finally opened the trunk, it was even worse.

"In the back of my head I'm going that doesn't smell like rotten garbage. You know I know what rotten garbage smells like," he told investigators. "A flash went through my mind and I went oh, my God, you know, she's in the trunk."

But Caylee wasn't. There was just a light-weight garbage bag that Burch threw in a dumpster.

Then, later that night, Johnson's Wrecker Service was called to tow the car from the Anthony home to the sheriff's office. The next morning, after he saw the Anthonys on the television, Burch called investigators and went back to the dumpster to dig out that bag, but he found out sheriff's deputies had already taken it.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:OuaSbOMbIy8J:www.wftv.com/news/17567473/detail.html+dumpster+tow+yard+anthony+casey+caylee&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=ca


The manager of the wrecking yard where Casey Anthony's car was towed knew something just wasn't right. (09/26/08)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17567763/index.html



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 05:25:35 PM
Im sorry, Im getting biitchingbi.  I will go get a coke at Sonic, their stock is going down, they NEED me.  Bbl.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  Hey, can you get me somethin' to drink while you're there? Somethin' fruity please.  ::MonkeyTongue::
You bet, going right now.


Cherry Limeade at Sonic is terrific.



This is my fave.....vanilla cherry limeade....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 05:25:58 PM
Afternoon Monkeys,
Looks like I missed a lot of fun this afternoon ;-)

I really think that Caylee was placed in a regular old trash bag from the anthony's garage - placed in the yard initially till she realized that was not a great idea, then placed in the trunk.  This would account for lack of oxygen during the initial decomp phase - then at some point the bag sprang a leak, maybe from decomp gasses ?

FWIW, there are a lot of really sharp people on this board and even tho we don't always agree, we're all just wading through mounds of information and trying to come up with answers.  It's all just "gossip" up until the point that LE or the FBI announces official findings.  I am enjoying lurking and posting on this board and hope that I have not offended anyone.
TBM 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Western Observr on October 24, 2008, 05:26:10 PM
I am interested to know if any of those ponds (MisterMichael's pics)have been dragged/searched for human remains?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 05:29:24 PM


It's so hard to even imagine a parent harming their child.....but then I read this and think about  and Susan Smith and CASEY..so many people who would love to have children and can't...and then people like this....makes me so angry!!

Me too Sunny! I had 7 different surgeries to have my one.Some aren't even blessed in getting that... ::MonkeyNoNo::

WOW...your children are indeed blessings. My son is now and has always as been my world...I can't imagine life without him ::MonkeyNoNo::

I just know you're gonna read this again and go Oops!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/39.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 05:32:22 PM
Afternoon Monkeys,
Looks like I missed a lot of fun this afternoon ;-)

I really think that Caylee was placed in a regular old trash bag from the anthony's garage - placed in the yard initially till she realized that was not a great idea, then placed in the trunk.  This would account for lack of oxygen during the initial decomp phase - then at some point the bag sprang a leak, maybe from decomp gasses ?

FWIW, there are a lot of really sharp people on this board and even tho we don't always agree, we're all just wading through mounds of information and trying to come up with answers.  It's all just "gossip" up until the point that LE or the FBI announces official findings.  I am enjoying lurking and posting on this board and hope that I have not offended anyone.
TBM 

Oh C'mere.........(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/calin.gif)

That's how I think it went down too...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/salute2-1.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Brandi on October 24, 2008, 05:32:52 PM
I like Leonard Padilla, but I think some of his suggestions have been pretty far out in left field. 
I agree!

Ditto...although I think his heart is in the right place...often time he makes a statement as though it were a FACT and in reality it is not a FACT, merely his opinion or theory

Yeah, that's just the way he talks, his style.

But he has come up with things that give us ideas to ponder. I too, agree his heart is NOW in the right place.

'evening everyone!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 05:33:21 PM


It's so hard to even imagine a parent harming their child.....but then I read this and think about  and Susan Smith and CASEY..so many people who would love to have children and can't...and then people like this....makes me so angry!!

Me too Sunny! I had 7 different surgeries to have my one.Some aren't even blessed in getting that... ::MonkeyNoNo::

WOW...your children are indeed blessings. My son is now and has always as been my world...I can't imagine life without him ::MonkeyNoNo::

I just know you're gonna read this again and go Oops!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/39.gif)

you are right...ooopssssssss...but you knew what I meant!  LOL..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 05:34:22 PM
I have to go tidy up the house.  Going out of town tomorrow.  Mom always said, don't leave without cleaning up, Lord knows what the neighbors would say!!! 

My motivation for leaving a clean house when I go away is the fear if something would happen to me and ... my SILs (hubby's sisters) who keep homes that are perfect by 8:00 AM each morning ...

Anways ... you get my drift.

A1 ... have a good time wherever you are going and ... know that I am keeping you and your precious father in my prayers.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 05:35:50 PM
Decomp happens no matter if it is aerobic or anaerobic.   There are numerous bacteria contained in the human body that will begin decomposition regardless.  It all begins from within.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2008, 05:36:02 PM
Klaas,

I don't know much about dry ice except it will last several days in a cooler or insulated container of any kind.  Also could not touch anything directly as would damage severely like extreme freeze not that Casey would care but would bother me.  Would look like burn.

So if in insulated container would be there for several days.  Without insulation, not nearly so long in that heat so would depend on the amount of it used.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 05:36:10 PM
Im sorry, Im getting biitchingbi.  I will go get a coke at Sonic, their stock is going down, they NEED me.  Bbl.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  Hey, can you get me somethin' to drink while you're there? Somethin' fruity please.  ::MonkeyTongue::
You bet, going right now.


Cherry Limeade at Sonic is terrific.



This is my fave.....vanilla cherry limeade....

Hi Cubbee.

Later, Monkeys

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 05:37:13 PM
Afternoon Monkeys,
Looks like I missed a lot of fun this afternoon ;-)

I really think that Caylee was placed in a regular old trash bag from the anthony's garage - placed in the yard initially till she realized that was not a great idea, then placed in the trunk.  This would account for lack of oxygen during the initial decomp phase - then at some point the bag sprang a leak, maybe from decomp gasses ?

FWIW, there are a lot of really sharp people on this board and even tho we don't always agree, we're all just wading through mounds of information and trying to come up with answers.  It's all just "gossip" up until the point that LE or the FBI announces official findings.  I am enjoying lurking and posting on this board and hope that I have not offended anyone.
TBM 

Hi TBM...I am not disagreeing with you...I just can't think that Casey buried her in the back yard.....that would take IMO more time than she would risk....but perhaps she thought about it...even tried digging it and had Caylee laying here..but realized she wasn't going to be able to bury her...Please son't lurk...everyone opinion and theory is worth hearing..and I doubt anything you posted could be offensive!! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 05:38:24 PM
I have to go tidy up the house.  Going out of town tomorrow.  Mom always said, don't leave without cleaning up, Lord knows what the neighbors would say!!! 

My motivation for leaving a clean house when I go away is the fear if something would happen to me and ... my SILs (hubby's sisters) who keep homes that are perfect by 8:00 AM each morning ...

Anways ... you get my drift.

A1 ... have a good time wherever you are going and ... know that I am keeping you and your precious father in my prayers.

Janet
Thankyou, you are so sweet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 05:39:07 PM
Orchidwmn - (HI, Neighbor) Haven't seen you post for a few days.  What are your thoughts on all of this?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 05:40:35 PM
Afternoon Monkeys,
Looks like I missed a lot of fun this afternoon ;-)

I really think that Caylee was placed in a regular old trash bag from the anthony's garage - placed in the yard initially till she realized that was not a great idea, then placed in the trunk.  This would account for lack of oxygen during the initial decomp phase - then at some point the bag sprang a leak, maybe from decomp gasses ?

FWIW, there are a lot of really sharp people on this board and even tho we don't always agree, we're all just wading through mounds of information and trying to come up with answers.  It's all just "gossip" up until the point that LE or the FBI announces official findings.  I am enjoying lurking and posting on this board and hope that I have not offended anyone.
TBM 

Hi TBM...I am not disagreeing with you...I just can't think that Casey buried her in the back yard.....that would take IMO more time than she would risk....but perhaps she thought about it...even tried digging it and had Caylee laying here..but realized she wasn't going to be able to bury her...Please son't lurk...everyone opinion and theory is worth hearing..and I doubt anything you posted could be offensive!! ::MonkeyWink::

Yes that is the only part I don't think happened.Instead,she put her in the sandbox and snapped the lid on......Burying her just the same..jmo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2008, 05:41:57 PM
Afternoon Monkeys,
Looks like I missed a lot of fun this afternoon ;-)

I really think that Caylee was placed in a regular old trash bag from the anthony's garage - placed in the yard initially till she realized that was not a great idea, then placed in the trunk.  This would account for lack of oxygen during the initial decomp phase - then at some point the bag sprang a leak, maybe from decomp gasses ?

FWIW, there are a lot of really sharp people on this board and even tho we don't always agree, we're all just wading through mounds of information and trying to come up with answers.  It's all just "gossip" up until the point that LE or the FBI announces official findings.  I am enjoying lurking and posting on this board and hope that I have not offended anyone.
TBM 

Oh C'mere.........(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/calin.gif)

That's how I think it went down too...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/salute2-1.gif)


I tend to think something like this happened as well to account for cadaver dogs hitting in back yard but also think the garbage bag not real good for moving about and think by the time Casey came back for remains in the back yard, she had maybe a better plan in mind including container of some sort.  Just speculation as she could have used the plastic bags throughout but can't imagine they wouldn't tear/explode/leak at some point unless she had really good ones like for construction sites that are tougher.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 05:43:08 PM
Klaas,

I don't know much about dry ice except it will last several days in a cooler or insulated container of any kind.  Also could not touch anything directly as would damage severely like extreme freeze not that Casey would care but would bother me.  Would look like burn.

So if in insulated container would be there for several days.  Without insulation, not nearly so long in that heat so would depend on the amount of it used.

Found this.  I'm not saying this is what Casey did, I'm just trying to figure different ways she could have driven around in that car with Caylee dead in the trunk:

http://www.airgas.com/content/products.aspx?id=7000000000103

Traveling: Traveling a long distance with perishable items? Place dry ice in the bottom of your cooler, cover with newspaper, towel, or cardboard, and place items to stay cool on top. Penguin Brand Dry Ice will keep items cool for the ride. 10-15 lbs of dry ice will last 3-4 days.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 05:43:43 PM
Can someone please refresh my memory as to what type of vehicle was seen in the Anthony's driveway.  When the neighbor seen the guy with dark hair.  I can't remember if it was a small truck or a suv type.  I noticed that Jesse drives a truck but not sure if it would fit the description.  TIA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 24, 2008, 05:44:33 PM
Klaas,

I don't know much about dry ice except it will last several days in a cooler or insulated container of any kind.  Also could not touch anything directly as would damage severely like extreme freeze not that Casey would care but would bother me.  Would look like burn.

So if in insulated container would be there for several days.  Without insulation, not nearly so long in that heat so would depend on the amount of it used.

I believe dry ice according to a CSI episode it dissipates into the air, not leaving water like ice would.

How much you guys want to bet that the writers are already working on episodes mirroring KC case for their crime shows?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 05:45:06 PM
I feel like I'm stuck in the middle of some long standing argument and I don't like that feeling!

I had posted my observations of the report based on my knowledge of the science involved--I am currently working on a degree in Police Science--figured I'd get that out there before it came into question!

My experience in the field goes beyond my current position as student--So much has changed since I started this calling!

I had posted what I did hopefully to dispel incorrect notions--Now that being said I understand that this is a message board and contains people from all walks of life--but for me, in my profession, it's all about facts and evidence....we do work with theories but they have to be based on the facts

I came here because this case has wound it's way into my heart and a lot of people don't understand that they way that the people here do

I wasn't trying to incite riots or put anyone down or back anyone up--I was trying to lend my expertise to the facts in evidence--While many people do understand the reports they can be confusing and I had found that some of the report has been misconstrued and was trying to clear up the discrepancies before they became accepted as fact

We have many professional people who post and for that I am grateful--we all should be--we can learn from their hard won experiences and expand our knowledge on subjects we may not be familiar with

Everyone has opinions and should feel free to express them--our opinions are based on our feelings and the way we feel can never be wrong...but...our reasons for having those feelings can be and if someone has information that could lead to us to see those reasons differently we need to be open to listening to them

That's all--I think!! Just wanted to get this out before I was blacklisted for something beyond my control!!

This is so well said it deserves repeating.  I love that we have experts here.  Whether its legal-ese, accounting-ese, science-ese its always nice to have someone to translate the language for us.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 05:47:37 PM
I get steaks every Christmas as a gift and they are in a box with dry ice - they are always frozen solid.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 05:48:36 PM
Afternoon Monkeys,
Looks like I missed a lot of fun this afternoon ;-)

I really think that Caylee was placed in a regular old trash bag from the anthony's garage - placed in the yard initially till she realized that was not a great idea, then placed in the trunk.  This would account for lack of oxygen during the initial decomp phase - then at some point the bag sprang a leak, maybe from decomp gasses ?

FWIW, there are a lot of really sharp people on this board and even tho we don't always agree, we're all just wading through mounds of information and trying to come up with answers.  It's all just "gossip" up until the point that LE or the FBI announces official findings.  I am enjoying lurking and posting on this board and hope that I have not offended anyone.
TBM 

Hi TBM...I am not disagreeing with you...I just can't think that Casey buried her in the back yard.....that would take IMO more time than she would risk....but perhaps she thought about it...even tried digging it and had Caylee laying here..but realized she wasn't going to be able to bury her...Please son't lurk...everyone opinion and theory is worth hearing..and I doubt anything you posted could be offensive!! ::MonkeyWink::


Hi Sunny,
The cadaver dogs hit on a depressed area by the pool, thus the theory that the baby was temporarily buried in the back yard.  She knew she had plenty of time Monday afternoon (june 16th) because both parents were away at work (and she confirmed this by calling them a gazillion times).   Also, the fact that Casey borrowed the shovel on weds, backed her car in the garage, kind of leads to a reasonable conclusion that she dug up something in the backyard and put it in her trunk. 

Re: LP - I do think he initially got involved in this case as a publicity maneuver (which I do not fault him for, he is a businessman and not a bad one at that).  Then when he realized the gravity of the situation (i.e. that Casey really did in all likelyhood kill the baby), he pulled out and began to work with LE.  I cannot fault him for anything he's done and with regard to the things that he says, he is a confident man, carries himself that way and speaks that way. (and I just love him! btw)  He may not be 100% accurate all the time, but, if he says that Caylee's dna alone indicates the father is a family member (which I know is scientifically possible) - I believe him.  He is not stupid, he is not going to say THAT on NG unless he knows it to be true.  JMO ;-)

Now, I know some of ya'll are gonna throw rotten naners at me so I'm putting on my raincoat ! 
 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MisterMichaelJ on October 24, 2008, 05:49:00 PM
I am interested to know if any of those ponds (MisterMichael's pics)have been dragged/searched for human remains?

WesternObserver, they weren'y "my' pics: I just hit he 'quote' button from the original poster's post.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 05:49:26 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/17793661/detail.html

REPORT: Evidence Of Decomposition, Chloroform In Casey's Car

POSTED: 8:21 am EDT October 24, 2008
UPDATED: 4:25 pm EDT October 24, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Scientists who conducted forensic tests in the Casey Anthony investigation concluded that human decomposition and evidence of chloroform were present in the trunk of Casey's car, according to the report released Friday.

The report details findings from FBI tests on items found inside Casey's car, including DNA results on hair samples and forensic testing of debris and clothing (read details).

Among the results is confirmation that a hair sample found in the vehicle "exhibits characteristics of apparent decomposition." The report also says that specific hair is "microscopically similar" to hair investigators took from Caylee's hairbrush, but couldn't confirm it was conclusively Caylee's.

DNA testing done on that piece of hair and compared with a sample provided by Casey confirmed that neither Casey nor Caylee can be "excluded as the source of the hair," because the "mtDNA sequences ... are the same."

Tests also confirmed "residues of chloroform" within a spare tire cover found inside the trunk of Casey's car. "Residues consistent with chloroform" were also found within the left and right side trunk liner. The report says no other chemicals were detected within those items.

Odor tests that were conducted on the carpet inside Casey's car concluded that 80 percent of the chemicals identified were "consistent with decompositional events." The results of the FBI's Laser-Induced Breakdown Spectroscopy (LIBS) on the same carpet concluded that "while these are still preliminary results ... both odor analysis and LIBS results appear to be quite consistent with a decompositional event having occurred in the trunk of the vehicle."

The report also clarifies that the tests conducted appear to point to human decomposition and not animal. Meanwhile, a hair fragment the FBI found on the shovel Casey borrowed from her neighbor days after investigators believe Caylee was murdered, but that hair did not match Caylee or Casey.

The report's final conclusion is that the results of the tests and comparisons indicate "that a portion of the total odor signature identified in the Florida vehicle trunk is consistent with a decompositional event that could be of human origin."

The details of the report released Friday are probably part of what the grand jury heard last week before indicting Casey, but it's not all of the evidence. The thousands of tips that were called in on the case are expected to be released soon and Eyewitness News has learned the vast majority of them are from psychics.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 05:50:03 PM
Im sorry, Im getting biitchingbi.  I will go get a coke at Sonic, their stock is going down, they NEED me.  Bbl.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  Hey, can you get me somethin' to drink while you're there? Somethin' fruity please.  ::MonkeyTongue::
You bet, going right now.


Cherry Limeade at Sonic is terrific.



This is my fave.....vanilla cherry limeade....

Hi Cubbee.

Later, Monkeys

Janet

Hi Cubbee, you have mail.....Bye Janet....TTYL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 05:52:05 PM
I get steaks every Christmas as a gift and they are in a box with dry ice - they are always frozen solid.

There have been several that thought Casey may have put Caylee in the freezer.  That makes me give thought to that scenario.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 05:52:09 PM
Afternoon Monkeys,
Looks like I missed a lot of fun this afternoon ;-)

I really think that Caylee was placed in a regular old trash bag from the anthony's garage - placed in the yard initially till she realized that was not a great idea, then placed in the trunk.  This would account for lack of oxygen during the initial decomp phase - then at some point the bag sprang a leak, maybe from decomp gasses ?

FWIW, there are a lot of really sharp people on this board and even tho we don't always agree, we're all just wading through mounds of information and trying to come up with answers.  It's all just "gossip" up until the point that LE or the FBI announces official findings.  I am enjoying lurking and posting on this board and hope that I have not offended anyone.
TBM 

Hi TBM...I am not disagreeing with you...I just can't think that Casey buried her in the back yard.....that would take IMO more time than she would risk....but perhaps she thought about it...even tried digging it and had Caylee laying here..but realized she wasn't going to be able to bury her...Please son't lurk...everyone opinion and theory is worth hearing..and I doubt anything you posted could be offensive!! ::MonkeyWink::


Hi Sunny,
The cadaver dogs hit on a depressed area by the pool, thus the theory that the baby was temporarily buried in the back yard.  She knew she had plenty of time Monday afternoon (june 16th) because both parents were away at work (and she confirmed this by calling them a gazillion times).   Also, the fact that Casey borrowed the shovel on weds, backed her car in the garage, kind of leads to a reasonable conclusion that she dug up something in the backyard and put it in her trunk. 

Re: LP - I do think he initially got involved in this case as a publicity maneuver (which I do not fault him for, he is a businessman and not a bad one at that).  Then when he realized the gravity of the situation (i.e. that Casey really did in all likelyhood kill the baby), he pulled out and began to work with LE.  I cannot fault him for anything he's done and with regard to the things that he says, he is a confident man, carries himself that way and speaks that way. (and I just love him! btw)  He may not be 100% accurate all the time, but, if he says that Caylee's dna alone indicates the father is a family member (which I know is scientifically possible) - I believe him.  He is not stupid, he is not going to say THAT on NG unless he knows it to be true.  JMO ;-)

Now, I know some of ya'll are gonna throw rotten naners at me so I'm putting on my raincoat ! 
 ::cartwheel::
No nanners here.  I was watchiing NG and Rm came in.  He looked at LP and said who is that?  I started explaining who all the characters are and how they fit in.  He looked at me and said "Who are you"?????   Hahahahahahahahahahahaha


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on October 24, 2008, 05:52:41 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::

She would have had to be in there long enough to get the stink on so bad though,right?


Yep...but I think that would happen rather quickly in the FL heat...someone, forgive me I don't remember who, posted a very good article about how the body decomposes, how long under what conditions etc...it was some time back and I didn't keep it....
I saved the info without the link ::MonkeyConfused::

Moment of Death:
1} The heart stops
2} The skin gets tight and grey in color
3} All the muscles relax
4} The bladder and bowels empty
. . . .4a - Men will get an erection. No, I don't know when, exactly. I really didn't feel like calling up the local mortuary and asking this. And there's people on my mailing list I could have asked, I bet, but it's kind of weird popping up and asking that. No pun intended. I'm not sure my parents know what erections are, so I can't ask them. I did read that this was one of the reasons hangings were so well attended by women, back in the old.days. Big Laffs, seeing the Hung, hung.
5} The body's temperature will typically drop 1.5 degrees F. per hour unless outside environment is a factor. The liver is the organ that stays warmest the longest, and this temperature is used to establish time of death if the body is found within that time frame.
After 30 minutes:
6} The skin gets purple and waxy
7} The lips, finger- and toe nails fade to a pale color or turn white as the blood leaves.
8} Blood pools at the lowest parts of the body leaving a dark purple-black stain called lividity
9} The hands and feet turn blue
10} The eyes start to sink into the skull
After 4 hours:
11} Rigor mortis starts to set in
12} The purpling of the skin and pooling of blood continue
13} Rigor Mortis begins to tighten the muscles for about another 24 hours, then will reverse and the body will return to a limp state.
After 12 hours:
14} The body is in full rigor mortis.
After 24 hours:
15} The body is now the temperature of the surrounding environment
16} In males, the semen dies
17} The head and neck are now a greenish-blue color
18} The greenish-blue color continues to spread to the rest of the body
19} There is the strong smell of rotting meat20} The face of the person is essentially no longer recognizable
After 3 days:
21} The gases in the body tissues form large blisters on the skin
22} The whole body begins to bloat and swell grotesquely. This process is speeded up if victim is in a hot environment, or in water
23} Fluids leak from the mouth, nose, eyes, ears and rectum and urinary opening
After 3 weeks:
24} The skin, hair, and nails are so loose they can be easily pulled off the corpse
25} The skin cracks and bursts open in many places because of the pressure of Internal gases and the breakdown of the skin itself
26} Decomposition will continue until body is nothing but skeletal remains, which can take as little as a month in hot climates and two months in cold climates. The teeth are often the only thing left, years and centuries later, because tooth enamel is the strongest substance in the body. The jawbone is the densest, so that usually will also remain. So don't forget - brush regularly and floss only if you're really bored.
_____________

Blonde - found you the link from that, or at least one link to it:
http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/advice/t-19044.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 05:53:04 PM
Hi Everyone -

I also think that Caylee was buried in the backyard for at least some period of time.  Those LE photographs of the backyard search show a very definitie area with the little red flags.

I am wondering if Casey got the idea to later transport Caylee in a cooler or plastic container from Riley Ann Sawyers in Texas.  After her parents killed her, they went to Walmart and bought a plastic container with a clamp on the lid.  They kept her little body in the container behind a shed and in the garage for several weeks before dropping her off the bridge near the bay.  Perhaps Casey heard this story on the news and decided to also use a plastic conatiner or the cooler from the garage.

Has anyone learned anything new about Red's search area near the dumpster and under the bridge where he found the shovel?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 05:53:51 PM

Oh C'mere.........(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/calin.gif)

That's how I think it went down too...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/salute2-1.gif)

Thank you tater  :smt058


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 05:54:08 PM
If you were in a close proximity with a decomposing body...i.e. inside the same car....wouldn't that odor permeate your hair, clothing, etc???  I wonder why the people around her when she would get out of the car didn't pick up on a foul odor???

Excellent question and one I have wondered about.  Decomp really clings, almost like an oil would.  Some people use lemon juice I've heard.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 05:54:57 PM
Afternoon Monkeys,
Looks like I missed a lot of fun this afternoon ;-)

I really think that Caylee was placed in a regular old trash bag from the anthony's garage - placed in the yard initially till she realized that was not a great idea, then placed in the trunk.  This would account for lack of oxygen during the initial decomp phase - then at some point the bag sprang a leak, maybe from decomp gasses ?

FWIW, there are a lot of really sharp people on this board and even tho we don't always agree, we're all just wading through mounds of information and trying to come up with answers.  It's all just "gossip" up until the point that LE or the FBI announces official findings.  I am enjoying lurking and posting on this board and hope that I have not offended anyone.
TBM 

Hi TBM...I am not disagreeing with you...I just can't think that Casey buried her in the back yard.....that would take IMO more time than she would risk....but perhaps she thought about it...even tried digging it and had Caylee laying here..but realized she wasn't going to be able to bury her...Please son't lurk...everyone opinion and theory is worth hearing..and I doubt anything you posted could be offensive!! ::MonkeyWink::


Hi Sunny,
The cadaver dogs hit on a depressed area by the pool, thus the theory that the baby was temporarily buried in the back yard.  She knew she had plenty of time Monday afternoon (june 16th) because both parents were away at work (and she confirmed this by calling them a gazillion times).   Also, the fact that Casey borrowed the shovel on weds, backed her car in the garage, kind of leads to a reasonable conclusion that she dug up something in the backyard and put it in her trunk. 

Re: LP - I do think he initially got involved in this case as a publicity maneuver (which I do not fault him for, he is a businessman and not a bad one at that).  Then when he realized the gravity of the situation (i.e. that Casey really did in all likelyhood kill the baby), he pulled out and began to work with LE.  I cannot fault him for anything he's done and with regard to the things that he says, he is a confident man, carries himself that way and speaks that way. (and I just love him! btw)  He may not be 100% accurate all the time, but, if he says that Caylee's dna alone indicates the father is a family member (which I know is scientifically possible) - I believe him.  He is not stupid, he is not going to say THAT on NG unless he knows it to be true.  JMO ;-)

Now, I know some of ya'll are gonna throw rotten naners at me so I'm putting on my raincoat ! 
 ::cartwheel::
No nanners here.  I was watchiing NG and Rm came in.  He looked at LP and said who is that?  I started explaining who all the characters are and how they fit in.  He looked at me and said "Who are you"?????   Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2008, 05:55:29 PM
Later, Taters,

Am going to try to re-read PDF and see if anything on the various pieces tested would tend to tell us anything more.  Will check back to see if others surmised anything from it.  Most of it is above my pay grade, lol.

.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 05:55:51 PM



Hi Sunny,
The cadaver dogs hit on a depressed area by the pool, thus the theory that the baby was temporarily buried in the back yard.  She knew she had plenty of time Monday afternoon (june 16th) because both parents were away at work (and she confirmed this by calling them a gazillion times).   Also, the fact that Casey borrowed the shovel on weds, backed her car in the garage, kind of leads to a reasonable conclusion that she dug up something in the backyard and put it in her trunk. 

Re: LP - I do think he initially got involved in this case as a publicity maneuver (which I do not fault him for, he is a businessman and not a bad one at that).  Then when he realized the gravity of the situation (i.e. that Casey really did in all likelyhood kill the baby), he pulled out and began to work with LE.  I cannot fault him for anything he's done and with regard to the things that he says, he is a confident man, carries himself that way and speaks that way. (and I just love him! btw)  He may not be 100% accurate all the time, but, if he says that Caylee's dna alone indicates the father is a family member (which I know is scientifically possible) - I believe him.  He is not stupid, he is not going to say THAT on NG unless he knows it to be true.  JMO ;-)

Now, I know some of ya'll are gonna throw rotten naners at me so I'm putting on my raincoat ! 
 ::cartwheel::

no nanners from me!  Since I don't know what really happened I am open to any logical scenario!!  Don't get me wrong I appreciate all LP has done....I do think many would have turned tail and run...he didn't....I just don't believe everything he says is backed by proof...and if I am wrong...I'll bring the hot sauce for the CROW!! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: nikkibnurse on October 24, 2008, 05:56:55 PM
Hey guys!!! We had minor surgery today...sigh..they opened up Lara's arm and drained it....but they say that now, she will heal faster....

thank you all so much for praying!!!!!!!!!!!! I will update again in the lounge soon , so that I dont take up too much space here!!!

I was basically writing to ask, HAVE I MISSED ANYTHING??????? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 05:57:00 PM
Later, Taters,

Am going to try to re-read PDF and see if anything on the various pieces tested would tend to tell us anything more.  Will check back to see if others surmised anything from it.  Most of it is above my pay grade, lol.

.

Thank you for your expertise Anna! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 05:57:21 PM
Afternoon Monkeys,
Looks like I missed a lot of fun this afternoon ;-)

I really think that Caylee was placed in a regular old trash bag from the anthony's garage - placed in the yard initially till she realized that was not a great idea, then placed in the trunk.  This would account for lack of oxygen during the initial decomp phase - then at some point the bag sprang a leak, maybe from decomp gasses ?

FWIW, there are a lot of really sharp people on this board and even tho we don't always agree, we're all just wading through mounds of information and trying to come up with answers.  It's all just "gossip" up until the point that LE or the FBI announces official findings.  I am enjoying lurking and posting on this board and hope that I have not offended anyone.
TBM 

Oh C'mere.........(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/calin.gif)

That's how I think it went down too...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/salute2-1.gif)


I tend to think something like this happened as well to account for cadaver dogs hitting in back yard but also think the garbage bag not real good for moving about and think by the time Casey came back for remains in the back yard, she had maybe a better plan in mind including container of some sort.  Just speculation as she could have used the plastic bags throughout but can't imagine they wouldn't tear/explode/leak at some point unless she had really good ones like for construction sites that are tougher.



I keep saying the Hefty Steel sacks.These bad boys are unreal as far as strength and I feel sure with the Anthony's being yard keepers like they are would have some in their garage.Casey came back,backed up into the garage and retreived her from there.Simple and easy...jmo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MisterMichaelJ on October 24, 2008, 05:57:42 PM
No nanners here.  I was watchiing NG and Rm came in.  He looked at LP and said who is that?  I started explaining who all the characters are and how they fit in.  He looked at me and said "Who are you"?????   Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
[/quote]

Always 1..you are funny!!! get my email addy?   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 05:57:49 PM
Im sorry, Im getting biitchingbi.  I will go get a coke at Sonic, their stock is going down, they NEED me.  Bbl.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  Hey, can you get me somethin' to drink while you're there? Somethin' fruity please.  ::MonkeyTongue::
You bet, going right now.


Cherry Limeade at Sonic is terrific.



This is my fave.....vanilla cherry limeade....

Hi Cubbee.

Later, Monkeys

Janet

Hi Cubbee, you have mail.....Bye Janet....TTYL


Got it and replied ...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 05:58:20 PM
Hey guys!!! We had minor surgery today...sigh..they opened up Lara's arm and drained it....but they say that now, she will heal faster....

thank you all so much for praying!!!!!!!!!!!! I will update again in the lounge soon , so that I dont take up too much space here!!!

I was basically writing to ask, HAVE I MISSED ANYTHING??????? ::MonkeyEek::
Bless you Niki, I emailed you earlier.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 05:58:46 PM
Hey guys!!! We had minor surgery today...sigh..they opened up Lara's arm and drained it....but they say that now, she will heal faster....

thank you all so much for praying!!!!!!!!!!!! I will update again in the lounge soon , so that I dont take up too much space here!!!

I was basically writing to ask, HAVE I MISSED ANYTHING??????? ::MonkeyEek::

The forensic report was released today.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17793661/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TxLady2 on October 24, 2008, 05:58:59 PM
IF Lee is the father of Caylee, and IF Cindy was aware of this fact before the child was born, I cannot see her pushing Casey to keep the baby and not allow her to give her up for adoption. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Cindy may be annoying as heck, but she is NOT stupid! I'm sorry, I just can't buy into that theory!
But if you keep the baby at home, who will be the wiser?????

I could be wrong, but I've always heard that children born from incest have a much greater chance of being mentally or physically handicapped... severely, in some cases. I would not think Cindy would be willing to take that chance if she knew before Caylee was born. And she being an RN would be well aware of these risks. Now... this might be an "old wives' tale" but maybe not. It's just something that I've always heard. And there must be a reason for all the laws regarding marrying a close relation, or preventing a child born from such a union.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 06:01:41 PM
IF Lee is the father of Caylee, and IF Cindy was aware of this fact before the child was born, I cannot see her pushing Casey to keep the baby and not allow her to give her up for adoption. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Cindy may be annoying as heck, but she is NOT stupid! I'm sorry, I just can't buy into that theory!
But if you keep the baby at home, who will be the wiser?????

I could be wrong, but I've always heard that children born from incest have a much greater chance of being mentally or physically handicapped... severely, in some cases. I would not think Cindy would be willing to take that chance if she knew before Caylee was born. And she being an RN would be well aware of these risks. Now... this might be an "old wives' tale" but maybe not. It's just something that I've always heard. And there must be a reason for all the laws regarding marrying a close relation, or preventing a child born from such a union.


If Cindy didn't find out until after Rick's wedding that Casey was indeed pregnant it would have been too late.  Casey claimed to be a virgin and both Cindy and Casey denied she was pregnant at that wedding.  She was actually 7 months pregnant at that time.  It was announced a month later to the family that Casey was indeed pregnant.  As Rick said, Casey said "you have to have had sex to become pregnant" inferring that she was a virgin. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: oldfart on October 24, 2008, 06:02:07 PM
:smt006 Monkeys

I know this is way out in  deep, deep Left field....
but if a deceased body (may have been decased 30-60 min) was on the ground for just a few minutes   would a cadaver dog be able to hit on that ground area month later ?

I just cannot see Caylee in the back yard for any lengthh of time ... esp.  if the family dog roamed around there.   

Also my memory is gone on this...   The day the shovel was borrowed vs the missing gas cans..  and the car backed into the drive way   18th, 24th, ??   ::MonkeyConfused::  a little reminder please  and thank you.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TxLady2 on October 24, 2008, 06:08:53 PM

... there is a REASON Lee has refused a dna test and also there is a REASON that Cindy-mom has not lashed out at the media about rumors that her son has been bonking her daughter.  IMO, that reason is because there is some truth to it all...... JMO :-)


TexasBarMom

As far as I know ... other than Lee Padilla in ONE media report ... the media has been silent on this issue.

There is NOTHING for Cindy and George to lash out at.

It has been some posters on internet forums that have claimed Lee Anthony could be/is the father of Caylee without providing any credible backup.

Without credible backup ... I will not go there.  False rumors of this magnitude have the ability to destroy lives.

Janet



Janet, I agree with you! L. Padilla got this theory because he misunderstood something about the DNA testing on the hair, and I can't explain it very well, but it has to do with the MtDna testing, basically. He is the ONLY person who has said this via the media, and not even NG agreed with him. This theory that it had to be a family member started early on, but I believe it originated on these forums... not this one, maybe... but others. First it was George, then it was Lee. I personally will not believe it unless it is proven from a respected scientific source.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 06:09:00 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::

She would have had to be in there long enough to get the stink on so bad though,right?


Yep...but I think that would happen rather quickly in the FL heat...someone, forgive me I don't remember who, posted a very good article about how the body decomposes, how long under what conditions etc...it was some time back and I didn't keep it....
I saved the info without the link ::MonkeyConfused::

Moment of Death:
1} The heart stops
2} The skin gets tight and grey in color
3} All the muscles relax
4} The bladder and bowels empty
. . . .4a - Men will get an erection. No, I don't know when, exactly. I really didn't feel like calling up the local mortuary and asking this. And there's people on my mailing list I could have asked, I bet, but it's kind of weird popping up and asking that. No pun intended. I'm not sure my parents know what erections are, so I can't ask them. I did read that this was one of the reasons hangings were so well attended by women, back in the old.days. Big Laffs, seeing the Hung, hung.
5} The body's temperature will typically drop 1.5 degrees F. per hour unless outside environment is a factor. The liver is the organ that stays warmest the longest, and this temperature is used to establish time of death if the body is found within that time frame.
After 30 minutes:
6} The skin gets purple and waxy
7} The lips, finger- and toe nails fade to a pale color or turn white as the blood leaves.
8} Blood pools at the lowest parts of the body leaving a dark purple-black stain called lividity
9} The hands and feet turn blue
10} The eyes start to sink into the skull
After 4 hours:
11} Rigor mortis starts to set in
12} The purpling of the skin and pooling of blood continue
13} Rigor Mortis begins to tighten the muscles for about another 24 hours, then will reverse and the body will return to a limp state.
After 12 hours:
14} The body is in full rigor mortis.
After 24 hours:
15} The body is now the temperature of the surrounding environment
16} In males, the semen dies
17} The head and neck are now a greenish-blue color
18} The greenish-blue color continues to spread to the rest of the body
19} There is the strong smell of rotting meat20} The face of the person is essentially no longer recognizable
After 3 days:
21} The gases in the body tissues form large blisters on the skin
22} The whole body begins to bloat and swell grotesquely. This process is speeded up if victim is in a hot environment, or in water
23} Fluids leak from the mouth, nose, eyes, ears and rectum and urinary opening
After 3 weeks:
24} The skin, hair, and nails are so loose they can be easily pulled off the corpse
25} The skin cracks and bursts open in many places because of the pressure of Internal gases and the breakdown of the skin itself
26} Decomposition will continue until body is nothing but skeletal remains, which can take as little as a month in hot climates and two months in cold climates. The teeth are often the only thing left, years and centuries later, because tooth enamel is the strongest substance in the body. The jawbone is the densest, so that usually will also remain. So don't forget - brush regularly and floss only if you're really bored.
_____________


Blondie,

Thank you for this very informative and sobering (except for #4) post on how the body changes throughout the process of decomposition.  That being said...
I'd probably have to be one of those women to be to be there to see the hung - hung LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!

Also thank you for all you do in keeping the links updated etc.

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MisterMichaelJ on October 24, 2008, 06:09:41 PM
IF Lee is the father of Caylee, and IF Cindy was aware of this fact before the child was born, I cannot see her pushing Casey to keep the baby and not allow her to give her up for adoption. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Cindy may be annoying as heck, but she is NOT stupid! I'm sorry, I just can't buy into that theory!
But if you keep the baby at home, who will be the wiser?????

I could be wrong, but I've always heard that children born from incest have a much greater chance of being mentally or physically handicapped... severely, in some cases. I would not think Cindy would be willing to take that chance if she knew before Caylee was born. And she being an RN would be well aware of these risks. Now... this might be an "old wives' tale" but maybe not. It's just something that I've always heard. And there must be a reason for all the laws regarding marrying a close relation, or preventing a child born from such a union.

TxLady, what you say is true, BUT, who said Cindy was aware that Casey was pregant with Lee's child?  Persoanlly, if it was 'murder'..then Caylee was the product of incest and that would be a HUGE motive to eliminate her DNA!! No way in hell did Casey just get 'pissed-off' at Caylee and decide to kill her.....murder needs a motive!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 06:13:22 PM
Later, Taters,

Am going to try to re-read PDF and see if anything on the various pieces tested would tend to tell us anything more.  Will check back to see if others surmised anything from it.  Most of it is above my pay grade, lol.

.


Hey!! You see more than one?(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/Thud.gif)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/ROLFMAO.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 06:14:48 PM
IF Lee is the father of Caylee, and IF Cindy was aware of this fact before the child was born, I cannot see her pushing Casey to keep the baby and not allow her to give her up for adoption. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Cindy may be annoying as heck, but she is NOT stupid! I'm sorry, I just can't buy into that theory!
But if you keep the baby at home, who will be the wiser?????

I could be wrong, but I've always heard that children born from incest have a much greater chance of being mentally or physically handicapped... severely, in some cases. I would not think Cindy would be willing to take that chance if she knew before Caylee was born. And she being an RN would be well aware of these risks. Now... this might be an "old wives' tale" but maybe not. It's just something that I've always heard. And there must be a reason for all the laws regarding marrying a close relation, or preventing a child born from such a union.

TxLady, what you say is true, BUT, who said Cindy was aware that Casey was pregant with Lee's child?  Persoanlly, if it was 'murder'..then Caylee was the product of incest and that would be a HUGE motive to eliminate her DNA!! No way in hell did Casey just get 'pissed-off' at Caylee and decide to kill her.....murder needs a motive!

Doesn't mean it has to be incest Mike...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/eusa_naughty.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 06:14:50 PM
Later, Taters,

Am going to try to re-read PDF and see if anything on the various pieces tested would tend to tell us anything more.  Will check back to see if others surmised anything from it.  Most of it is above my pay grade, lol.

.


Hey!! You see more than one?(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/Thud.gif)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/ROLFMAO.gif)

Tater I had to read that 3 times to understand.  Hahahahahahahahaha


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 24, 2008, 06:16:19 PM
I went back and did a search on the forum and I don't see anyone posting about this before- so I am going to post it- just in case anyone is interested.

There is an Eric J. Baker facebook listing- but I can't view it- I am not a friend- don't know how that works

but his networks are listed as Kansas '10 and Orlando
He looks young and if he is in fact deceased I am thinking this may be him.
His picture is terrible but I enlarged it by 200% and sharpened and call me crazy- but I think there is a slight resemblance to Caylee.
I dunno- I am probably crazy- but willing to email the picture if someone wants to see it cleaned up

I don't no nittin' 'bout pictures...but we got some smart monkeys here who do...I'd be interested in seeing it

http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric_J_Baker/513346497


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 06:16:56 PM

... there is a REASON Lee has refused a dna test and also there is a REASON that Cindy-mom has not lashed out at the media about rumors that her son has been bonking her daughter.  IMO, that reason is because there is some truth to it all...... JMO :-)


TexasBarMom

As far as I know ... other than Lee Padilla in ONE media report ... the media has been silent on this issue.

There is NOTHING for Cindy and George to lash out at.

It has been some posters on internet forums that have claimed Lee Anthony could be/is the father of Caylee without providing any credible backup.

Without credible backup ... I will not go there.  False rumors of this magnitude have the ability to destroy lives.

Janet



Janet, I agree with you! L. Padilla got this theory because he misunderstood something about the DNA testing on the hair, and I can't explain it very well, but it has to do with the MtDna testing, basically. He is the ONLY person who has said this via the media, and not even NG agreed with him. This theory that it had to be a family member started early on, but I believe it originated on these forums... not this one, maybe... but others. First it was George, then it was Lee. I personally will not believe it unless it is proven from a respected scientific source.


This is kind of how I feel about it...also , unless it is proven to be true it just kinda feels disrespectful to Caylee to speculate about it... that's just me...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TxLady2 on October 24, 2008, 06:19:16 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!

Please do NOT slam other posters....she is not here to respond to your statement...you promise, huh....we we have already figured that out...so your promsie isnt too earth shattering.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

You guys really over-react to the smallest statement. I did not slam her. I simply stated my opinion and I will not respond to another post about this. I DO NOT have to defend my own opinions. Its my right.

Saying that someone has lied without facts to back that up is not stating an opinion.... it's an accusation, which could be false. Be careful!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 06:19:17 PM
IF Lee is the father of Caylee, and IF Cindy was aware of this fact before the child was born, I cannot see her pushing Casey to keep the baby and not allow her to give her up for adoption. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Cindy may be annoying as heck, but she is NOT stupid! I'm sorry, I just can't buy into that theory!
But if you keep the baby at home, who will be the wiser?????

I could be wrong, but I've always heard that children born from incest have a much greater chance of being mentally or physically handicapped... severely, in some cases. I would not think Cindy would be willing to take that chance if she knew before Caylee was born. And she being an RN would be well aware of these risks. Now... this might be an "old wives' tale" but maybe not. It's just something that I've always heard. And there must be a reason for all the laws regarding marrying a close relation, or preventing a child born from such a union.


Yes. incest presents many potential genetic problems.  One of my graduate degrees is in Developmental Disabilities.  Children who are the product of incest are in danger of many disabilities that range from genetic disorders to blood disorders.  In medieval England and Europe, royal families intermarried to keep the bloodlines pure, but unfortunately ended up with hemophiliacs and children with mental and physical disorders.  The stories about the crazy French and English kings are true.  With inbreeding, recessive genes become dominant and all kinds of nightmares can result including physical abnormalities, mental retardation, and psychiatirc disorders.  Even good dog breeders have to be very careful when breeding within the same lines or the results will be physically inferior dogs with lots of medical and emotional problems.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 06:19:44 PM
Later, Taters,

Am going to try to re-read PDF and see if anything on the various pieces tested would tend to tell us anything more.  Will check back to see if others surmised anything from it.  Most of it is above my pay grade, lol.

.


Hey!! You see more than one?(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/Thud.gif)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/ROLFMAO.gif)

Tater I had to read that 3 times to understand.  Hahahahahahahahaha

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/1196.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 06:20:41 PM
IF Lee is the father of Caylee, and IF Cindy was aware of this fact before the child was born, I cannot see her pushing Casey to keep the baby and not allow her to give her up for adoption. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Cindy may be annoying as heck, but she is NOT stupid! I'm sorry, I just can't buy into that theory!
But if you keep the baby at home, who will be the wiser?????

I could be wrong, but I've always heard that children born from incest have a much greater chance of being mentally or physically handicapped... severely, in some cases. I would not think Cindy would be willing to take that chance if she knew before Caylee was born. And she being an RN would be well aware of these risks. Now... this might be an "old wives' tale" but maybe not. It's just something that I've always heard. And there must be a reason for all the laws regarding marrying a close relation, or preventing a child born from such a union.

TxLady, what you say is true, BUT, who said Cindy was aware that Casey was pregant with Lee's child?  Persoanlly, if it was 'murder'..then Caylee was the product of incest and that would be a HUGE motive to eliminate her DNA!! No way in hell did Casey just get 'pissed-off' at Caylee and decide to kill her.....murder needs a motive!


Mike... In February one of my best friends daughters murderer got convicted of 2nd degree murder.....I did not miss one court date, or one second of that trial....It was made very clear to the jury that while having a motive is definitely a plus , it is not necessary to provide a motive for murder....many times it is just for no damn good reason at all!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 06:21:19 PM
Moment of Death:
1} The heart stops
2} The skin gets tight and grey in color
3} All the muscles relax
4} The bladder and bowels empty
. . . .4a - Men will get an erection. No, I don't know when, exactly. I really didn't feel like calling up the local mortuary and asking this. And there's people on my mailing list I could have asked, I bet, but it's kind of weird popping up and asking that. No pun intended. I'm not sure my parents know what erections are, so I can't ask them. I did read that this was one of the reasons hangings were so well attended by women, back in the old.days. Big Laffs, seeing the Hung, hung.
5} The body's temperature will typically drop 1.5 degrees F. per hour unless outside environment is a factor. The liver is the organ that stays warmest the longest, and this temperature is used to establish time of death if the body is found within that time frame.
After 30 minutes:
6} The skin gets purple and waxy
7} The lips, finger- and toe nails fade to a pale color or turn white as the blood leaves.
8} Blood pools at the lowest parts of the body leaving a dark purple-black stain called lividity
...snipped...

Blondie,

Thank you for this very informative and sobering (except for #4) post on how the body changes throughout the process of decomposition.  That being said...
I'd probably have to be one of those women to be to be there to see the hung - hung LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!

Also thank you for all you do in keeping the links updated etc.

PJ :flower:

 ::MonkeyEek:: OH PJ....  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 06:22:47 PM
:smt006 Monkeys

I know this is way out in  deep, deep Left field....
but if a deceased body (may have been decased 30-60 min) was on the ground for just a few minutes   would a cadaver dog be able to hit on that ground area month later ?

I just cannot see Caylee in the back yard for any lengthh of time ... esp.  if the family dog roamed around there.   

Also my memory is gone on this...   The day the shovel was borrowed vs the missing gas cans..  and the car backed into the drive way   18th, 24th, ??   ::MonkeyConfused::  a little reminder please  and thank you.

I do not know the answer to that OF....but at scumoftheearthmarklewis's house the cadaver dogs hit on the washing machine that he washed the comforter he wrapped her in, so I would guess the answer could be yes...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: WillenFan21 on October 24, 2008, 06:23:46 PM
If anyone has any questions on the forensic testing let me know because my mom is a labtech and she knows forensic stuff. I'm on my laptop downstairs on the couch and shes sitting in the chair right next me.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 06:24:07 PM
Moment of Death:
1} The heart stops
2} The skin gets tight and grey in color
3} All the muscles relax
4} The bladder and bowels empty
. . . .4a - Men will get an erection. No, I don't know when, exactly. I really didn't feel like calling up the local mortuary and asking this. And there's people on my mailing list I could have asked, I bet, but it's kind of weird popping up and asking that. No pun intended. I'm not sure my parents know what erections are, so I can't ask them. I did read that this was one of the reasons hangings were so well attended by women, back in the old.days. Big Laffs, seeing the Hung, hung.
5} The body's temperature will typically drop 1.5 degrees F. per hour unless outside environment is a factor. The liver is the organ that stays warmest the longest, and this temperature is used to establish time of death if the body is found within that time frame.
After 30 minutes:
6} The skin gets purple and waxy
7} The lips, finger- and toe nails fade to a pale color or turn white as the blood leaves.
8} Blood pools at the lowest parts of the body leaving a dark purple-black stain called lividity
...snipped...

Blondie,

Thank you for this very informative and sobering (except for #4) post on how the body changes throughout the process of decomposition.  That being said...
I'd probably have to be one of those women to be to be there to see the hung - hung LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!

Also thank you for all you do in keeping the links updated etc.

PJ :flower:

 ::MonkeyEek:: OH PJ....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

PJ shocks us all once in a while...   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 06:24:52 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/17793661/detail.html

REPORT: Evidence Of Decomposition, Chloroform In Casey's Car

POSTED: 8:21 am EDT October 24, 2008
UPDATED: 4:25 pm EDT October 24, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Scientists who conducted forensic tests in the Casey Anthony investigation concluded that human decomposition and evidence of chloroform were present in the trunk of Casey's car, according to the report released Friday.

The report details findings from FBI tests on items found inside Casey's car, including DNA results on hair samples and forensic testing of debris and clothing (read details).

Among the results is confirmation that a hair sample found in the vehicle "exhibits characteristics of apparent decomposition." The report also says that specific hair is "microscopically similar" to hair investigators took from Caylee's hairbrush, but couldn't confirm it was conclusively Caylee's.

DNA testing done on that piece of hair and compared with a sample provided by Casey confirmed that neither Casey nor Caylee can be "excluded as the source of the hair," because the "mtDNA sequences ... are the same."

Tests also confirmed "residues of chloroform" within a spare tire cover found inside the trunk of Casey's car. "Residues consistent with chloroform" were also found within the left and right side trunk liner. The report says no other chemicals were detected within those items.

Odor tests that were conducted on the carpet inside Casey's car concluded that 80 percent of the chemicals identified were "consistent with decompositional events." The results of the FBI's Laser-Induced Breakdown Spectroscopy (LIBS) on the same carpet concluded that "while these are still preliminary results ... both odor analysis and LIBS results appear to be quite consistent with a decompositional event having occurred in the trunk of the vehicle."

The report also clarifies that the tests conducted appear to point to human decomposition and not animal. Meanwhile, a hair fragment the FBI found on the shovel Casey borrowed from her neighbor days after investigators believe Caylee was murdered, but that hair did not match Caylee or Casey.

The report's final conclusion is that the results of the tests and comparisons indicate "that a portion of the total odor signature identified in the Florida vehicle trunk is consistent with a decompositional event that could be of human origin."

The details of the report released Friday are probably part of what the grand jury heard last week before indicting Casey, but it's not all of the evidence. The thousands of tips that were called in on the case are expected to be released soon and Eyewitness News has learned the vast majority of them are from psychics.

thanks for the post...I burst out laughing at the highlighted area!  LOL  guess those psychics were too good at their jobs!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TxLady2 on October 24, 2008, 06:25:07 PM
Also, not that anyone is paying any attention to me, our family has their own graveyard.  I don't think the names are even written down.  There was no caskets, no perservatives, no headstones, nothing......


I have noticed that alot of People in Kentucky have their own graveyards. I thought it was very weird but its not to them.

There are a few private family burial grounds in my area as well, and I live in east Texas. Granted some of them are older, but there are more recent graves in them, too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2008, 06:25:10 PM
We were all looking at the cell pings for a date later in June: June 26 / 27.
Now that the date seems to have been moved up to the 17 th or 18 th of June, While I am gone, I want one of you smart ppl who remembers this :
What day during the time period of June 17 / 18 was her cell turned off for two hours, like no pings and why was she at Chris Stolz's ?? ( or whatever ) house during those few days ? Where does he live on the google maps thingie ?
Someone thought that the remains would have been ditched at Sawgrass .. hey they have dumpsters and the public can  go in there 7 am to 7 pm  because she was dragging Zani into this, then the story was changed to the park as that was where Z was then.
ps No one of the family / friends ever canvassed everyone who lived at Sawgrass.
Last place Casey says she left the kiddo at the stairs, no one goes there.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 06:25:52 PM
If anyone has any questions on the forensic testing let me know because my mom is a labtech and she knows forensic stuff. I'm on my laptop downstairs on the couch and shes sitting in the chair right next me.

Can you plz ask her if it's possible to know if the paternity was a family member from the results released today?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 06:26:50 PM
If anyone has any questions on the forensic testing let me know because my mom is a labtech and she knows forensic stuff. I'm on my laptop downstairs on the couch and shes sitting in the chair right next me.

Can you plz ask her if it's possible to know if the paternity was a family member from the results released today?


LOL....mammy, you took my question...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 06:27:18 PM
Later, Taters,

Am going to try to re-read PDF and see if anything on the various pieces tested would tend to tell us anything more.  Will check back to see if others surmised anything from it.  Most of it is above my pay grade, lol.

.

Later Anna!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 06:28:00 PM
If anyone has any questions on the forensic testing let me know because my mom is a labtech and she knows forensic stuff. I'm on my laptop downstairs on the couch and shes sitting in the chair right next me.

Can you plz ask her if it's possible to know if the paternity was a family member from the results released today?


LOL....mammy, you took my question...

lol 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 06:28:12 PM
Later, Taters,

Am going to try to re-read PDF and see if anything on the various pieces tested would tend to tell us anything more.  Will check back to see if others surmised anything from it.  Most of it is above my pay grade, lol.

.

Later Anna!!


Waiting for your report Anna...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 06:28:26 PM
IF Lee is the father of Caylee, and IF Cindy was aware of this fact before the child was born, I cannot see her pushing Casey to keep the baby and not allow her to give her up for adoption. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Cindy may be annoying as heck, but she is NOT stupid! I'm sorry, I just can't buy into that theory!
But if you keep the baby at home, who will be the wiser?????

I could be wrong, but I've always heard that children born from incest have a much greater chance of being mentally or physically handicapped... severely, in some cases. I would not think Cindy would be willing to take that chance if she knew before Caylee was born. And she being an RN would be well aware of these risks. Now... this might be an "old wives' tale" but maybe not. It's just something that I've always heard. And there must be a reason for all the laws regarding marrying a close relation, or preventing a child born from such a union.


Yes. incest presents many potential genetic problems.  One of my graduate degrees is in Developmental Disabilities.  Children who are the product of incest are in danger of many disabilities that range from genetic disorders to blood disorders.  In medieval England and Europe, royal families intermarried to keep the bloodlines pure, but unfortunately ended up with hemophiliacs and children with mental and physical disorders.  The stories about the crazy French and English kings are true.  With inbreeding, recessive genes become dominant and all kinds of nightmares can result including physical abnormalities, mental retardation, and psychiatirc disorders.  Even good dog breeders have to be very careful when breeding within the same lines or the results will be physically inferior dogs with lots of medical and emotional problems.



A contemporary example of inbreeding is evident with the Amish in Pennsylvania.  The Amish have intermarried for many generations because of the limited numbers in their religious group.  At this point, many Amish women frequently miscarry and the children frequently die from various disorders as infants and children.  The Amish have a very high infant mortality rate. One disorder that is found in the Amish population is known as Maple Sugar Urine Syndrome.  It is a recessive genetic metabolic disorder that has emerged as dominant genetic after years of intermarriage.  The infant is born normal, but soon shows signs of a brownish urine.  Most of these MSUS children die in infancy, but those who do live longer face severe mental retardation.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 06:29:30 PM
Not trying to be disrespectful re: the paternity discussion.  It IS important in this case for many reasons, that have been pointed out as recently as today - to eliminate the father as a potential suspect, to determine if the father has possession of Caylee, etc.  This is normal investigative stuff that LE would do.  They have stated they "know the identity" of the father.   They have thus far chosen not to release this info either 1) because it is irrelevant to the case and they want to respect the father's privacy or 2) because it WILL play a part in their case.   So I find it only natural to want to know who this person is and how they fit into the puzzle.   And (again not to be disrespectful of anyone) I fail to see how discussing the possibility of incest in the Anthony family could possibly offend anyone more than the incredibly sordid details of a MURDER.  (have sex with your brother or kill a 2-year old - which would you prefer?)

(raincoat fully buttoned and helmet donned)   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 06:29:39 PM
We were all looking at the cell pings for a date later in June: June 26 / 27.
Now that the date seems to have been moved up to the 17 th or 18 th of June, While I am gone, I want one of you smart ppl who remembers this :
What day during the time period of June 17 / 18 was her cell turned off for two hours, like no pings and why was she at Chris Stolz's ?? ( or whatever ) house during those few days ? Where does he live on the google maps thingie ?
Someone thought that the remains would have been ditched at Sawgrass .. hey they have dumpsters and the public can  go in there 7 am to 7 pm  because she was dragging Zani into this, then the story was changed to the park as that was where Z was then.
ps No one of the family / friends ever canvassed everyone who lived at Sawgrass.
Last place Casey says she left the kiddo at the stairs, no one goes there.


NO ping info on the 17th from 5:30 -8:30 pm.  I'm thinking maybe around Chelsea Harbour ping - I'm not sure though.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 24, 2008, 06:29:46 PM
If anyone has any questions on the forensic testing let me know because my mom is a labtech and she knows forensic stuff. I'm on my laptop downstairs on the couch and shes sitting in the chair right next me.


How could Dr. Haden on Foxnews infer from the report that they know who the father is?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 06:30:35 PM
IF Lee is the father of Caylee, and IF Cindy was aware of this fact before the child was born, I cannot see her pushing Casey to keep the baby and not allow her to give her up for adoption. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Cindy may be annoying as heck, but she is NOT stupid! I'm sorry, I just can't buy into that theory!
But if you keep the baby at home, who will be the wiser?????

I could be wrong, but I've always heard that children born from incest have a much greater chance of being mentally or physically handicapped... severely, in some cases. I would not think Cindy would be willing to take that chance if she knew before Caylee was born. And she being an RN would be well aware of these risks. Now... this might be an "old wives' tale" but maybe not. It's just something that I've always heard. And there must be a reason for all the laws regarding marrying a close relation, or preventing a child born from such a union.


Yes. incest presents many potential genetic problems.  One of my graduate degrees is in Developmental Disabilities.  Children who are the product of incest are in danger of many disabilities that range from genetic disorders to blood disorders.  In medieval England and Europe, royal families intermarried to keep the bloodlines pure, but unfortunately ended up with hemophiliacs and children with mental and physical disorders.  The stories about the crazy French and English kings are true.  With inbreeding, recessive genes become dominant and all kinds of nightmares can result including physical abnormalities, mental retardation, and psychiatirc disorders.  Even good dog breeders have to be very careful when breeding within the same lines or the results will be physically inferior dogs with lots of medical and emotional problems.



A contemporary example of inbreeding is evident with the Amish in Pennsylvania.  The Amish have intermarried for many generations because of the limited numbers in their religious group.  At this point, many Amish women frequently miscarry and the children frequently die from various disorders as infants and children.  The Amish have a very high infant mortality rate. One disorder that is found in the Amish population is known as Maple Sugar Urine Syndrome.  It is a recessive genetic metabolic disorder that has emerged as dominant genetic after years of intermarriage.  The infant is born normal, but soon shows signs of a brownish urine.  Most of these MSUS children die in infancy, but those who do live longer face severe mental retardation.


I loves my brother....but not that way....geez..... :smt018


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 06:31:01 PM
Klaas....you have mail...........TY

Do you know when you are going to be able to post those pictures from your trip?

I'm not HH .... but I know some have been anxiously awaiting pics from her trip to Orlando .... I don't know where she searched specifically ... (I think w/Murt off Boggy Creek) ... I too searched around the area of Boggy Creek Road ... it was on J. Lawson Blvd off of Boggy Creek within the "ping" area ...

I thought I would share some photos so that you all can at least see what TES and other searchers are up against .... This area is HEAVILY wooded and very swampy ... It is not a pleasant area to be walking around in BUT very easy to hide a body ...

There are A LOT of swampy, wooded areas surrounding the airport .... I was very SURPRISED when we started driving around these areas, exactly how many small lakes and wooded patches there are ...

I'm sure when HH gets back she will have some great photos to share as well ... just thought you all might like to get a "feel" for the areas (kind of like a "visual" aid)  Google Earth is good, but not as good as real photos ...

(http://i36.tinypic.com/hsw9q1.jpg)

(http://i34.tinypic.com/20tihw0.jpg)

(http://i38.tinypic.com/2aiiogg.jpg)

(http://i33.tinypic.com/2zqg1ub.jpg)

(http://i35.tinypic.com/n1auyu.jpg)





Thank You Invision!

I really do appreciate your pictures.  I got the impression from HH (whom I love) that she was somewhat overwhelmed after viewing first-hand the expanse of the search area.  It wouldn't surprise me at all if there isn't a tad of let-down or depression after her Orlando trip.  Poor Dear!!!

Being so far away (WI), I can only remember our honeymoon (Florida) in 1975 as a reminder of the constancy of the heat and how it would affect the searchers. 

Again I say a big THANK YOU! for your pictures.

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: WillenFan21 on October 24, 2008, 06:31:08 PM
If anyone has any questions on the forensic testing let me know because my mom is a labtech and she knows forensic stuff. I'm on my laptop downstairs on the couch and shes sitting in the chair right next me.

Can you plz ask her if it's possible to know if the paternity was a family member from the results released today?

She said that she thinks so. Do you mean if like they looked at Caylees DNA That they got and then compared it to the sample that they took from Lee?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 06:31:51 PM
Not trying to be disrespectful re: the paternity discussion.  It IS important in this case for many reasons, that have been pointed out as recently as today - to eliminate the father as a potential suspect, to determine if the father has possession of Caylee, etc.  This is normal investigative stuff that LE would do.  They have stated they "know the identity" of the father.   They have thus far chosen not to release this info either 1) because it is irrelevant to the case and they want to respect the father's privacy or 2) because it WILL play a part in their case.   So I find it only natural to want to know who this person is and how they fit into the puzzle.   And (again not to be disrespectful of anyone) I fail to see how discussing the possibility of incest in the Anthony family could possibly offend anyone more than the incredibly sordid details of a MURDER.  (have sex with your brother or kill a 2-year old - which would you prefer?)

(raincoat fully buttoned and helmet donned)   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Neither , thank you!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 06:31:52 PM
I went back and did a search on the forum and I don't see anyone posting about this before- so I am going to post it- just in case anyone is interested.

There is an Eric J. Baker facebook listing- but I can't view it- I am not a friend- don't know how that works

but his networks are listed as Kansas '10 and Orlando
He looks young and if he is in fact deceased I am thinking this may be him.
His picture is terrible but I enlarged it by 200% and sharpened and call me crazy- but I think there is a slight resemblance to Caylee.
I dunno- I am probably crazy- but willing to email the picture if someone wants to see it cleaned up

I don't no nittin' 'bout pictures...but we got some smart monkeys here who do...I'd be interested in seeing it

http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric_J_Baker/513346497

thanks Blonde...now I am really confused...that is not the same guy that was pictures earlier????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 06:31:54 PM
:smt006 Monkeys

I know this is way out in  deep, deep Left field....
but if a deceased body (may have been decased 30-60 min) was on the ground for just a few minutes   would a cadaver dog be able to hit on that ground area month later ?

I just cannot see Caylee in the back yard for any lengthh of time ... esp.  if the family dog roamed around there.   

Also my memory is gone on this...   The day the shovel was borrowed vs the missing gas cans..  and the car backed into the drive way   18th, 24th, ??   ::MonkeyConfused::  a little reminder please  and thank you.

I do not know the answer to that OF....but at scumoftheearthmarklewis's house the cadaver dogs hit on the washing machine that he washed the comforter he wrapped her in, so I would guess the answer could be yes...

it was the 18th.  Not sure about the first question...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: WillenFan21 on October 24, 2008, 06:33:14 PM
If anyone has any questions on the forensic testing let me know because my mom is a labtech and she knows forensic stuff. I'm on my laptop downstairs on the couch and shes sitting in the chair right next me.


How could Dr. Haden on Foxnews infer from the report that they know who the father is?

She said from the DNA.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 06:33:38 PM
If anyone has any questions on the forensic testing let me know because my mom is a labtech and she knows forensic stuff. I'm on my laptop downstairs on the couch and shes sitting in the chair right next me.

Can you plz ask her if it's possible to know if the paternity was a family member from the results released today?


LOL....mammy, you took my question...



Remember they also have Caylee's full genetic profile from Jesse's paternity test.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 24, 2008, 06:34:11 PM
A cooler type container with or without ice.  I wonder if any of the receipts found in the car by LE were for ice. 

Maybe that's where the "frozen foods" she had when Tony picked her up come into play as well as backing the car into the garage to within inches of that deep freezer?

All speculation, of course, but the anaerobic statement does tend toward a container at the least.  Perhaps one like Coleman that has the plug for drainage of water as ice melts and resulted in decomp material leaking out of that plug into the trunk..

Oh I hadn't thought of that possibility...keep talking Anna!!
Or even better maybe JC Pennys had a Featured 12 Volt Travel Cooler:
Koolatron 26 Qt. Fun Kool 12V Cooler
The Koolatron P25 Portable 12 Volt Cooler makes a great companion on any road trip. At a great price!
Lists At: $119.00 (Save $38.90)
Sale Price: $80.10

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/P25_dt1.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 06:34:21 PM
Not trying to be disrespectful re: the paternity discussion.  It IS important in this case for many reasons, that have been pointed out as recently as today - to eliminate the father as a potential suspect, to determine if the father has possession of Caylee, etc.  This is normal investigative stuff that LE would do.  They have stated they "know the identity" of the father.   They have thus far chosen not to release this info either 1) because it is irrelevant to the case and they want to respect the father's privacy or 2) because it WILL play a part in their case.   So I find it only natural to want to know who this person is and how they fit into the puzzle.   And (again not to be disrespectful of anyone) I fail to see how discussing the possibility of incest in the Anthony family could possibly offend anyone more than the incredibly sordid details of a MURDER.  (have sex with your brother or kill a 2-year old - which would you prefer?)

(raincoat fully buttoned and helmet donned)   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I agree.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TxLady2 on October 24, 2008, 06:34:24 PM
I heard ( and I don't remember where) that Lee Anthony is not Casey's blood brother.  Lee was George's son with another woman, and Casey is Cindy's daughter with another man.  Is this true?  Does anyone know?

I doubt that very much, as Rick, Cindy's brother, says that both Lee and Casey are the biological children of George and Cindy. I think this might be speculation on some poster's part somewhere.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 06:35:06 PM
If anyone has any questions on the forensic testing let me know because my mom is a labtech and she knows forensic stuff. I'm on my laptop downstairs on the couch and shes sitting in the chair right next me.

Please ask her to read the reports that came out today and tell us her take on it .....and give her lots of big hugs from the monkeys!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 06:36:02 PM


She said from the DNA.

Willen - could you please ask her if they only had Caylee's DNA, could they tell by that alone that the father was a family member ?  (because this is supposedly how the whole "Lee is the baby daddy" thing started....)
TIA !!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 06:38:07 PM



A contemporary example of inbreeding is evident with the Amish in Pennsylvania.  The Amish have intermarried for many generations because of the limited numbers in their religious group.  At this point, many Amish women frequently miscarry and the children frequently die from various disorders as infants and children.  The Amish have a very high infant mortality rate. One disorder that is found in the Amish population is known as Maple Sugar Urine Syndrome.  It is a recessive genetic metabolic disorder that has emerged as dominant genetic after years of intermarriage.  The infant is born normal, but soon shows signs of a brownish urine.  Most of these MSUS children die in infancy, but those who do live longer face severe mental retardation.

WOW..interesting SS.....you are one smart monkey!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 06:38:44 PM
Not trying to be disrespectful re: the paternity discussion.  It IS important in this case for many reasons, that have been pointed out as recently as today - to eliminate the father as a potential suspect, to determine if the father has possession of Caylee, etc.  This is normal investigative stuff that LE would do.  They have stated they "know the identity" of the father.   They have thus far chosen not to release this info either 1) because it is irrelevant to the case and they want to respect the father's privacy or 2) because it WILL play a part in their case.   So I find it only natural to want to know who this person is and how they fit into the puzzle.   And (again not to be disrespectful of anyone) I fail to see how discussing the possibility of incest in the Anthony family could possibly offend anyone more than the incredibly sordid details of a MURDER.  (have sex with your brother or kill a 2-year old - which would you prefer?)

(raincoat fully buttoned and helmet donned)   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I agree


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 06:39:00 PM


She said from the DNA.

Willen - could you please ask her if they only had Caylee's DNA, could they tell by that alone that the father was a family member ?  (because this is supposedly how the whole "Lee is the baby daddy" thing started....)
TIA !!

IIRC, the DNA and the hair sample.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TxLady2 on October 24, 2008, 06:39:02 PM
I heard ( and I don't remember where) that Lee Anthony is not Casey's blood brother.  Lee was George's son with another woman, and Casey is Cindy's daughter with another man.  Is this true?  Does anyone know?

....I heard that also.  George is Casey's step father?  Could be wrong.
I also heard that Cindy's mother is Bea Arthur (from Golden Girls..)
I dunno, could be a rumor...?     ::MonkeyEek::


~ she is the MOM...the oldest one I believe.  Her and Cindy kinda look alike..now that I think about it  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thanks for answering me.....BTW which golden girl is Bea Arthur?

Wrong, Bea Arthur played Dorothy, the tall one. The mom was Estelle Geddy, the little short old woman. Who was actually younger in real life than either Bea or Betty White.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: nikkibnurse on October 24, 2008, 06:39:36 PM
SOOOO, no pizza was ever in the car????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2008, 06:41:33 PM
A cooler type container with or without ice.  I wonder if any of the receipts found in the car by LE were for ice. 

Maybe that's where the "frozen foods" she had when Tony picked her up come into play as well as backing the car into the garage to within inches of that deep freezer?

All speculation, of course, but the anaerobic statement does tend toward a container at the least.  Perhaps one like Coleman that has the plug for drainage of water as ice melts and resulted in decomp material leaking out of that plug into the trunk..

Oh I hadn't thought of that possibility...keep talking Anna!!
Or even better maybe JC Pennys had a Featured 12 Volt Travel Cooler:
Koolatron 26 Qt. Fun Kool 12V Cooler
The Koolatron P25 Portable 12 Volt Cooler makes a great companion on any road trip. At a great price!
Lists At: $119.00 (Save $38.90)
Sale Price: $80.10

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/P25_dt1.jpg)


Now you're talking.  Sure wish we knew what was purchased at JCP.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 06:41:55 PM
Not trying to be disrespectful re: the paternity discussion.  It IS important in this case for many reasons, that have been pointed out as recently as today - to eliminate the father as a potential suspect, to determine if the father has possession of Caylee, etc.  This is normal investigative stuff that LE would do.  They have stated they "know the identity" of the father.   They have thus far chosen not to release this info either 1) because it is irrelevant to the case and they want to respect the father's privacy or 2) because it WILL play a part in their case.   So I find it only natural to want to know who this person is and how they fit into the puzzle.   And (again not to be disrespectful of anyone) I fail to see how discussing the possibility of incest in the Anthony family could possibly offend anyone more than the incredibly sordid details of a MURDER.  (have sex with your brother or kill a 2-year old - which would you prefer?)

(raincoat fully buttoned and helmet donned)   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I agree


It does not offend me.... I just am not ready to go there ...any sooner than I have to that is...and I may just have to get ready real soon...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 24, 2008, 06:42:17 PM




Without credible backup ... I will not go there.  False rumors of this magnitude have the ability to destroy lives.

Janet



Thank you Janet for being a voice of reason in this until we have more info.


I wont go there either guys...not yet...
  I agree.  I don't find it odd though that Cindy doesn't remember Eric's last name?  If he was the father, I can't imagine my not remember his name!
In Cindy's interview with LE(video)she says his name is Eric,LE asked for last name,she says she doesn't remember but her atty would have it as it's on the papers she supposedly had drawn up stating who would be guardian of Caylee if her and George and Casey pass away.I think the guardian would have been Lee.Anyways,I think Cindy was supposed to get the full name for LE....don't know if she did or not.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 24, 2008, 06:43:26 PM
If anyone has any questions on the forensic testing let me know because my mom is a labtech and she knows forensic stuff. I'm on my laptop downstairs on the couch and shes sitting in the chair right next me.

Can you plz ask her if it's possible to know if the paternity was a family member from the results released today?


LOL....mammy, you took my question...



Remember they also have Caylee's full genetic profile from Jesse's paternity test.

Isn't that something, little did she know that accusing Jesse of being Caylee's father and him demanding a paternity test, that it would come back to bite her in the ass 2 years later! If that hadn't happened, they would only have the strands on her hairbrush to go off of. See? God is watching out for this little angel, and I truly believe that WHEN Caylee is found, the evidence will be crystal clear that KC is guilty.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 24, 2008, 06:44:45 PM
POSTING THIS AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK ITS VERY IMPORTANT REGARDING THE SHOVEL.

Quick question. Is the neighbor that provided Casey the shovel African american. I know the Anthonys have an african american neighbor, but if it is the one that let Casey use the shovel. he can be EXCLUDED from being the donor of the hair. The hair is from a Caucasion.
Hi CSI
I think the neighbor is caucasion.The hair could be his and seeing as it was his shovel,I'd think the detectives would have taken a hair sample from him first,no?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: chrisk49 on October 24, 2008, 06:44:49 PM
I just have a question regarding Cayle being buried in the backyard where the depression was, and I was wondering what she used to bury her that first day.  She returned apparently to dig her up and borrowed a shovel on that day.  Makes no sense to me but then again it is Casey.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: WillenFan21 on October 24, 2008, 06:45:29 PM


She said from the DNA.

Willen - could you please ask her if they only had Caylee's DNA, could they tell by that alone that the father was a family member ?  (because this is supposedly how the whole "Lee is the baby daddy" thing started....)
TIA !!

She said the family member would have to be tested agains Caylees.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 06:47:07 PM


She said from the DNA.

Willen - could you please ask her if they only had Caylee's DNA, could they tell by that alone that the father was a family member ?  (because this is supposedly how the whole "Lee is the baby daddy" thing started....)
TIA !!

She said the family member would have to be tested agains Caylees.

Thank you & tell your mother thanks also.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: irishbosoxfan on October 24, 2008, 06:47:22 PM


She said from the DNA.

Willen - could you please ask her if they only had Caylee's DNA, could they tell by that alone that the father was a family member ?  (because this is supposedly how the whole "Lee is the baby daddy" thing started....)
TIA !!

I know this wasn't for me but I can answer--We each get a string of dna from our mother and one from our father--if they only had Caylees dna they could say without a doubt if the parents were related
Brothers and sisters share markers--if they had a child that child would have the same markers--because remember they each got part of the mother  and part of the father those combined to create the dna sequence of their offspring--so if brothers and sisters mated they would produce a child missing a sequence from another person


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 06:47:26 PM
:smt006 Monkeys

I know this is way out in  deep, deep Left field....
but if a deceased body (may have been decased 30-60 min) was on the ground for just a few minutes   would a cadaver dog be able to hit on that ground area month later ?

I just cannot see Caylee in the back yard for any lengthh of time ... esp.  if the family dog roamed around there.   

Also my memory is gone on this...   The day the shovel was borrowed vs the missing gas cans..  and the car backed into the drive way   18th, 24th, ??   ::MonkeyConfused::  a little reminder please  and thank you.

I do not know the answer to that OF....but at scumoftheearthmarklewis's house the cadaver dogs hit on the washing machine that he washed the comforter he wrapped her in, so I would guess the answer could be yes...

it was the 18th.  Not sure about the first question...

If you read the progress of the stages of death and decomp on the previous page you will note that the body begins to smell within 24 hours.  So If Caylee died on the 16 or 17th the possibility of getting a hit from a cadaver dog is there.  I would love to read the report about the cadaver dog hits.  Cindy kept alluding to them being inconsistent...well that makes perfect sense if the body was only a few hours into rigor when it was placed in the backyard.  Then you have the more consistent evidence of extensive decomposition in the car when the body remained for a longer period of time.  I wish I were a juror...this would be an easy conviction for me. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 06:48:24 PM

Isn't that something, little did she know that accusing Jesse of being Caylee's father and him demanding a paternity test, that it would come back to bite her in the ass 2 years later! If that hadn't happened, they would only have the strands on her hairbrush to go off of. See? God is watching out for this little angel, and I truly believe that WHEN Caylee is found, the evidence will be crystal clear that KC is guilty.

No doubts about that :-)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: WillenFan21 on October 24, 2008, 06:48:26 PM
OK my mom said for DNA that all they have to do is keep Caylees DNA on a computer and they can do a DNA profile on it. They could take someones DNA and then put it beside Cayless and that would tell him if Caylee and the person are related.  THats probably what the guy on fox news meant.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 24, 2008, 06:48:30 PM
Or wrapped in a rug which she later replaced from JCP?

Frozen food acts same as ice.  Tony did think it thawed for some reason.  Could be it wasn't still stiff like frozen or Casey was touching it which one doesn't usually do or get frostbite?  Yum, Tony.  Surely there is no connection in this regard but the thought did go through my head.

Oh, I don't know.  Any number of scenarios comes to mind that could have happened but the report does say decomp consistent with anaerobic decomp. 

I really need to read it again as there is too much for me to wrap my mind around in one reading.  But I think those are the two things we do know at this point.  Remains in the trunk and remains in something that blocked them from oxygen.  Guess anything else is just that, guessing.



Anna - do you know anything about dry ice?  What if Caylee was in a cooler in dry ice?


Applications

Dry ice is commonly used to package items that need to remain cold or frozen, such as ice cream, without the use of mechanical cooling. In medicine it is used to freeze warts to make removal easier.[8] In the construction industry it is used to loosen floor tiles by shrinking and cracking them, as well as to freeze water in valveless pipes to allow repair. In laboratories, a slurry of dry ice in an organic solvent is a useful freezing mixture for cold chemical reactions.

Dry ice can also be used for making ice cream.[9]

Dry ice can be used in theatre productions in order to create the effect of dense fog. Unlike most artificial fog machines, which makes the fog rise up much like smoke, fog from dry ice crawls on the ground.

Dry ice can be used to carbonate water and other liquids such as soft drink and beer.[citation needed] It can be used as bait to trap mosquitoes and other insects[10]

When dry ice is placed in water sublimation is accelerated, and low-sinking dense clouds of fog (smoke like) are created. This is used in fog machines, at theaters, discoteques, Haunted Houses, and nightclubs for dramatic effects. When used in theatre productions it creates the effect of dense fog. Dry Ice is also used in cloud seeding: the process of altering cloud precipitation.

Dry ice blasting
 
Dry ice pellets dropped in hot water
Main article: Dry ice blasting

One of the largest alternative uses of dry ice is blast cleaning. Dry ice pellets are shot out of a nozzle with compressed air. This can remove residues from industrial equipment. Examples of materials being removed include ink, glue, oil, paint, mold and rubber. Dry ice blasting can replace sandblasting, steam blasting, water blasting or solvent blasting. The primary environmental residue of dry ice blasting is the sublimed CO2, thus making it a useful technique where residues from other blasting techniques are undesirable.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_ice


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 06:51:26 PM


She said from the DNA.

Willen - could you please ask her if they only had Caylee's DNA, could they tell by that alone that the father was a family member ?  (because this is supposedly how the whole "Lee is the baby daddy" thing started....)
TIA !!

I know this wasn't for me but I can answer--We each get a string of dna from our mother and one from our father--if they only had Caylees dna they could say without a doubt if the parents were related
Brothers and sisters share markers--if they had a child that child would have the same markers--because remember they each got part of the mother  and part of the father those combined to create the dna sequence of their offspring--so if brothers and sisters mated they would produce a child missing a sequence from another person

Thank you, but I get confused when it comes to DNA.  Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 24, 2008, 06:51:28 PM
Good Lord monkeys,
  Could we please move forward? I do grow so weary with page after page of nothing but pure raw speculation.My friends here are all in a lather over post that don't mean a thing to anyone except to the poster that posted it...Please,this is about little Caylee and no matter if Lee is the father or not,Casey is the one in all probability that killed her and we should be about looking for justice,not devouring one another in the process.It just isn't helpful... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think if Lee is the father, it is critical to the "why" in this sordid story.  There is never an excuse, but if true, this makes Casey a victim of sorts as her mom continues to say Casey is a victim as much as Caylee.  If she was abused, and she was forced to take responsibility for a child between Lee and her, then all of her behavior is given meaning.  This would explain why Cindy is so adamant on protecting her daughter.  She would feel guilty for all that she has done to Casey.  Caylee is the ultimate victim, but Casey was a victim of her brother.  Cindy would have no choice but to protect Casey, it protects Lee, and it protects the deep dark secret they might have all been hiding.
Makes sense to me Russ.I can't understand why some opinions are batted out of the cage if it offends some posters.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 24, 2008, 06:52:02 PM
:smt006 Monkeys

I know this is way out in  deep, deep Left field....
but if a deceased body (may have been decased 30-60 min) was on the ground for just a few minutes   would a cadaver dog be able to hit on that ground area month later ?
I just cannot see Caylee in the back yard for any lengthh of time ... esp.  if the family dog roamed around there.   

Also my memory is gone on this...   The day the shovel was borrowed vs the missing gas cans..  and the car backed into the drive way   18th, 24th, ??   ::MonkeyConfused::  a little reminder please  and thank you.

Hi, Oldfart....someone may have already responded, but I had had the same thought about your first question.  Hopefully, as I catch up, maybe I'll find the answer.

The shovel 18th, gas cans 24th...iirc.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 06:52:51 PM

I know this wasn't for me but I can answer--We each get a string of dna from our mother and one from our father--if they only had Caylees dna they could say without a doubt if the parents were related
Brothers and sisters share markers--if they had a child that child would have the same markers--because remember they each got part of the mother  and part of the father those combined to create the dna sequence of their offspring--so if brothers and sisters mated they would produce a child missing a sequence from another person

Thanks Irish, that's sort of the explanation I remembered ....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on October 24, 2008, 06:54:01 PM


She said from the DNA.

Willen - could you please ask her if they only had Caylee's DNA, could they tell by that alone that the father was a family member ?  (because this is supposedly how the whole "Lee is the baby daddy" thing started....)
TIA !!

Maybe I am missing something, but isn't it quite feasible that LP got Lee's DNA from one of the several trips to the trailer, drink cup, hair, cig butt (if he smokes) etc and then compared it to the test from Jessie G?   He seems confident.  I know I posted this a long time ago, but for the new monkeys and for someone to explain why that is not possible.

Second thought - after doing my monkey homework reading.
Is it fair to get ticked at Tony for telling Casey not to bring Caylee.  After all he knew:  The activities in his home that might not be appropiate for a child (sex, drinking, maybe drugs, etc....) and he had not known her long and HAD NO REASON NOT TO BELIEVE there was a NANNY?  I am just saying, seems everyone is ticked that if he hadn't said don't bring Caylee, Caylee would be alive - but by the grace of God (or your belief here) there go any of us, right? 



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 06:55:15 PM
OK my mom said for DNA that all they have to do is keep Caylees DNA on a computer and they can do a DNA profile on it. They could take someones DNA and then put it beside Cayless and that would tell him if Caylee and the person are related.  THats probably what the guy on fox news meant.

thank your Mom and thank you


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 24, 2008, 06:55:57 PM
I've worked with dry ice for years! First of all, it will severly "burn" you if its applied directly to skin. (Think "freezer burn"). If you want to keep something "FROZEN" in an ice chest -- you put the Dry ice on top. If you want to merely keep something "COLD" -- you put the Dry ice on the bottom of the ice chest.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 06:57:14 PM


She said from the DNA.

Willen - could you please ask her if they only had Caylee's DNA, could they tell by that alone that the father was a family member ?  (because this is supposedly how the whole "Lee is the baby daddy" thing started....)
TIA !!

Maybe I am missing something, but isn't it quite feasible that LP got Lee's DNA from one of the several trips to the trailer, drink cup, hair, cig butt (if he smokes) etc and then compared it to the test from Jessie G?   He seems confident.  I know I posted this a long time ago, but for the new monkeys and for someone to explain why that is not possible.

Second thought - after doing my monkey homework reading.
Is it fair to get ticked at Tony for telling Casey not to bring Caylee.  After all he knew:  The activities in his home that might not be appropiate for a child (sex, drinking, maybe drugs, etc....) and he had not known her long and HAD NO REASON NOT TO BELIEVE there was a NANNY?  I am just saying, seems everyone is ticked that if he hadn't said don't bring Caylee, Caylee would be alive - but by the grace of God (or your belief here) there go any of us, right? 



I'm not ticked at Tony, if that's the way it really went down, he was showing more concern for Caylee's well being than Casey showed. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 24, 2008, 06:57:18 PM
also, any "fluid" coming in contact with dry ice will cause "fog." (that is how fog is made "on stage" or in the "movies')


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 06:57:42 PM



A contemporary example of inbreeding is evident with the Amish in Pennsylvania.  The Amish have intermarried for many generations because of the limited numbers in their religious group.  At this point, many Amish women frequently miscarry and the children frequently die from various disorders as infants and children.  The Amish have a very high infant mortality rate. One disorder that is found in the Amish population is known as Maple Sugar Urine Syndrome.  It is a recessive genetic metabolic disorder that has emerged as dominant genetic after years of intermarriage.  The infant is born normal, but soon shows signs of a brownish urine.  Most of these MSUS children die in infancy, but those who do live longer face severe mental retardation.

WOW..interesting SS.....you are one smart monkey!!!



Thanks Sunny,

I just loved it when I was working on that particular degree.  It is so interesting.  Another contemporary example is Tay Sachs.  In simplistic terms, tay sachs was originally a mutation in the shape of blood cells.  The mutation spread through generations because ironically, the misshapened cells actually served to stop the spread of malaria.  So, many of the African people who survived the malaria outbreaks actually had the cell mutation and the malaria survivers passed the gene on to their children.  Many generations later, some people of African origin still carry the mutation as a recessive gene.  When two carriers produce a child who gets both of the recessive genes, the result is tay sachs which is also a terminal condition.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 06:59:58 PM


She said from the DNA.

Willen - could you please ask her if they only had Caylee's DNA, could they tell by that alone that the father was a family member ?  (because this is supposedly how the whole "Lee is the baby daddy" thing started....)
TIA !!

Maybe I am missing something, but isn't it quite feasible that LP got Lee's DNA from one of the several trips to the trailer, drink cup, hair, cig butt (if he smokes) etc and then compared it to the test from Jessie G?   He seems confident.  I know I posted this a long time ago, but for the new monkeys and for someone to explain why that is not possible.

Second thought - after doing my monkey homework reading.
Is it fair to get ticked at Tony for telling Casey not to bring Caylee.  After all he knew:  The activities in his home that might not be appropiate for a child (sex, drinking, maybe drugs, etc....) and he had not known her long and HAD NO REASON NOT TO BELIEVE there was a NANNY?  I am just saying, seems everyone is ticked that if he hadn't said don't bring Caylee, Caylee would be alive - but by the grace of God (or your belief here) there go any of us, right? 



I don't blame Tony for saying he didn't want Casey to bring Caylee to his house.  It is his house and I felt he was doing it for Caylee's well being.  He couldn't have imagined what was about to happen.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 07:05:37 PM
If anyone is interested, there is an Amber Alert issued in the Chicago area.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081024/ap_en_mu/chicago_bodies_hudson


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 24, 2008, 07:06:37 PM
Orchidwmn - (HI, Neighbor) Haven't seen you post for a few days.  What are your thoughts on all of this?

I have been helping Mrskub with the cookbook for TES, and I can only lurk at work, I can't post for fear of big brother. But, I have been thinking a lot about this. These are only my opinions, and most of them are based on "feelings." I am not in any way psychic, but I do have a gut that tugs at me at times.

I think Casey killed Caylee possibly by accident in the home. I am still undecided on the method. My "gut" tells me she was still in a rage from the fight the night before and Caylee probably did some small thing, like pottied her pants, broke something etc, and Casey completely lost it.  She either hit her with something or shook her to death. I can't see the whole chloroform thing, although I know it is possible. We all have pictures of our kids crying, etc. But the picture of Caylee crying just gave me a really sick feeling.

Now in a panic, she has to come up with a plan. I think during this time her she began trying to come up with some sort of lie she could tell, but in this state of panic she couldn't come up with an accident.

I think she would have put her in some sort of trash bag(s) and taken her to the backyard, thinking she would bury her and then put the playhouse over her to hide the newly dug hole. The shed was locked, so she borrowed a shovel.  But the digging was hard, even with all the adrenaline, digging is hard work, and she knew she had to go deep. She probably starts to worry that Cindy would come home before she could complete the task.  She returns the shovel after an hour and half, and has to come up with a plan B.

I don't think she had any idea what plan B was, but she knew she had to get herself and Caylee out of that house. I think at some point she did put Caylee in a secondary container, but still in the trash bags as well. I always felt like it was a piece of the leopard luggage, but again that was a "gut" feeling I had.  When Dolce posted the picture and the link I went to the website, and read that it had a pink lining, and had wheels.  Instantly I thought it would be easier to move, not draw too much attention if any one saw her struggling trying to get a piece of luggage in or out of the car, and it seemed so "Casey". I certainly see the cooler as being a possibility as well, just don't have the same "feeling" about it.

Then the story gets all fuzzy in my head. I think she drove around with her for awhile as evidenced by the fact that she tells Amy about the smell, and eventually that she got rid of it. Like we have found, truth mixed with lies. I think it is possible that she did put something that was in the trunk in the dumpster. Maybe a rug, blanket, towel, etc, that she may have put down under the luggage, cooler, etc.  I feel that the JC Penney Statement, and possible video is a critical piece of the puzzle. Personally I want to see it now!!

I think when the smell got so bad she left it at Amscot. I think she left her purse in the car (but took her ID) hoping someone would steal it, thus absolving her of having to get "rid" of Caylee. Whoever stole it isn't going to go to the cops and say, hey I stole this car, and it smells like something dead is in it, if they found Caylee, they would driven it into alligator alley after wiping down their prints, then her kidnapping or a carjacking story might have worked. But nobody took the car.

I think she toyed with the idea of setting the car on fire with the gas cans, possibly putting Caylee in the car seat, but realized that because of the state of decomposition, she couldn't get Caylee in that seat anymore, and the fire was not going to hide the fact that Caylee was in the trunk.  Surely she had seen enough CSI episodes to know they would also determine that the cause of death was not fire, so she abandoned that idea as well.

I think she then took Caylee and dumped her somewhere near the airport. Again, girl with luggage near airport, not too weird of a sight.  I think that then she had some sort of euphoria that she was now single, could go about her life with a new start.

In the meantime, I think she put on her everything is normal hat, had fun, partied, cooked, played house and continued to lie to Cindy about what was going on and where she and Caylee were.  I just can't for the life of me figure out how she thought she would get away with it. The story was just too bizarre and full of holes, I don't think she ever thought it through. Like others, I think it may have been a reactionary story to Cindy's question what did you do?

I would love to see the computer queries she was doing the night Cindy came and got her. I think she had taken Amy's $250 and that she was probably going to hop a plane, or rent a car and go to CA to be with the marine. Tell him her mom took custody, and tell mom they were going to be a family. Then come up with some other lie about the kidnapping when she was far away from where she had left little Caylee.

Ok, so that is my theory. It in NO way means that I don't think everyone else's opinions and theories are possible and I find them all interesting. I think some of them are strange at times, but you may very well think mine are as well.  Sometimes I nod my head, sometimes I roll my eyes, but it is all good, because I know everyone here is here because we all care about Caylee.   ::MonkeyDance::

Unfortunately more than her mother.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 07:07:01 PM
A cooler type container with or without ice.  I wonder if any of the receipts found in the car by LE were for ice. 

Maybe that's where the "frozen foods" she had when Tony picked her up come into play as well as backing the car into the garage to within inches of that deep freezer?

All speculation, of course, but the anaerobic statement does tend toward a container at the least.  Perhaps one like Coleman that has the plug for drainage of water as ice melts and resulted in decomp material leaking out of that plug into the trunk..

Oh I hadn't thought of that possibility...keep talking Anna!!
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TxLady2 on October 24, 2008, 07:07:03 PM
IF Lee is the father of Caylee, and IF Cindy was aware of this fact before the child was born, I cannot see her pushing Casey to keep the baby and not allow her to give her up for adoption. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Cindy may be annoying as heck, but she is NOT stupid! I'm sorry, I just can't buy into that theory!
But if you keep the baby at home, who will be the wiser?????

I could be wrong, but I've always heard that children born from incest have a much greater chance of being mentally or physically handicapped... severely, in some cases. I would not think Cindy would be willing to take that chance if she knew before Caylee was born. And she being an RN would be well aware of these risks. Now... this might be an "old wives' tale" but maybe not. It's just something that I've always heard. And there must be a reason for all the laws regarding marrying a close relation, or preventing a child born from such a union.

TxLady, what you say is true, BUT, who said Cindy was aware that Casey was pregant with Lee's child?  Persoanlly, if it was 'murder'..then Caylee was the product of incest and that would be a HUGE motive to eliminate her DNA!! No way in hell did Casey just get 'pissed-off' at Caylee and decide to kill her.....murder needs a motive!

So incest is the only possible motive for murder??? I disagree. Maybe she did not intend for the child to die... just meant to knock her out and it backfired. Also, wanting the freedom to party and live her life without the encumberance of a child could be a motive. There are many possibilities for a motive. We've had several child murders around here, and NONE of them involved incest.
And I did not say Cindy KNEW this... I said IF she knew, big difference.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 07:10:25 PM



A contemporary example of inbreeding is evident with the Amish in Pennsylvania.  The Amish have intermarried for many generations because of the limited numbers in their religious group.  At this point, many Amish women frequently miscarry and the children frequently die from various disorders as infants and children.  The Amish have a very high infant mortality rate. One disorder that is found in the Amish population is known as Maple Sugar Urine Syndrome.  It is a recessive genetic metabolic disorder that has emerged as dominant genetic after years of intermarriage.  The infant is born normal, but soon shows signs of a brownish urine.  Most of these MSUS children die in infancy, but those who do live longer face severe mental retardation.

WOW..interesting SS.....you are one smart monkey!!!



Thanks Sunny,

I just loved it when I was working on that particular degree.  It is so interesting.  Another contemporary example is Tay Sachs.  In simplistic terms, tay sachs was originally a mutation in the shape of blood cells.  The mutation spread through generations because ironically, the misshapened cells actually served to stop the spread of malaria.  So, many of the African people who survived the malaria outbreaks actually had the cell mutation and the malaria survivers passed the gene on to their children.  Many generations later, some people of African origin still carry the mutation as a recessive gene.  When two carriers produce a child who gets both of the recessive genes, the result is tay sachs which is also a terminal condition.

Tay Sachs is European Jewish population disease.  You sure you didn't mean Sickle Cell anemia?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: le singe bete on October 24, 2008, 07:10:30 PM
I think if had been KC I would have scouted for a place to hide little Caylee's body and, once I found a place, gone ahead and dug a hole for her body without having her body in the car or anywhere near me i.e. the backyard temp. 

Assuming she died on the 16th, I would have done the scouting and digging on the 17th (when KC's phone was silent for a period).  And then on the 18th (wasn't that the day she borrowed the shovel?), moved her body to the new location that was ready and waiting.  This would make for a quick process while you were in possession of the actual body, lessening your chances (to a degree) of being caught.  Except, dad gum, it was a bit harder than she thought and there was a leak in the trunk.

But, she had night terrors afterwards and remembered mistakes she may have made.  For example, she left her cell on while she was hunting a place to put the body, she forgot to replace the cooler she took from the garage, etc.  So she spent the next days and weeks driving around places to throw everyone off and making JCP purchases. 

And then she got busy with Tony, and partying.  Cause, you know y'all, it was the beginning of Casey's new life.  But, she couldn't figure out why the car stunk.  She thought it'd be okay once she got rid of the body.  The smell would just go away (she didn't realize the extent of the spill, or leak).  Finally, she was left with no choice but to abandon it at Amscot.

I totally agree that the paternity thing is EVERYTHING to this case.  Like no way y'all would KC pass up on any money or possibilites of money.  If the Daddy was dead there'd be a paper trail (and Cindy would have helped fill out all those Social Security forms).  You know she would've.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 07:11:31 PM



A contemporary example of inbreeding is evident with the Amish in Pennsylvania.  The Amish have intermarried for many generations because of the limited numbers in their religious group.  At this point, many Amish women frequently miscarry and the children frequently die from various disorders as infants and children.  The Amish have a very high infant mortality rate. One disorder that is found in the Amish population is known as Maple Sugar Urine Syndrome.  It is a recessive genetic metabolic disorder that has emerged as dominant genetic after years of intermarriage.  The infant is born normal, but soon shows signs of a brownish urine.  Most of these MSUS children die in infancy, but those who do live longer face severe mental retardation.

WOW..interesting SS.....you are one smart monkey!!!



Thanks Sunny,

I just loved it when I was working on that particular degree.  It is so interesting.  Another contemporary example is Tay Sachs.  In simplistic terms, tay sachs was originally a mutation in the shape of blood cells.  The mutation spread through generations because ironically, the misshapened cells actually served to stop the spread of malaria.  So, many of the African people who survived the malaria outbreaks actually had the cell mutation and the malaria survivers passed the gene on to their children.  Many generations later, some people of African origin still carry the mutation as a recessive gene.  When two carriers produce a child who gets both of the recessive genes, the result is tay sachs which is also a terminal condition.

uummmmm interesting....something that did good (stopped malaria)....is now a killer if the recessive gene is carried by both parents.....and incurable totally???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 07:12:34 PM
Good Lord monkeys,
  Could we please move forward? I do grow so weary with page after page of nothing but pure raw speculation.My friends here are all in a lather over post that don't mean a thing to anyone except to the poster that posted it...Please,this is about little Caylee and no matter if Lee is the father or not,Casey is the one in all probability that killed her and we should be about looking for justice,not devouring one another in the process.It just isn't helpful... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think if Lee is the father, it is critical to the "why" in this sordid story.  There is never an excuse, but if true, this makes Casey a victim of sorts as her mom continues to say Casey is a victim as much as Caylee.  If she was abused, and she was forced to take responsibility for a child between Lee and her, then all of her behavior is given meaning.  This would explain why Cindy is so adamant on protecting her daughter.  She would feel guilty for all that she has done to Casey.  Caylee is the ultimate victim, but Casey was a victim of her brother.  Cindy would have no choice but to protect Casey, it protects Lee, and it protects the deep dark secret they might have all been hiding.
Makes sense to me Russ.I can't understand why some opinions are batted out of the cage if it offends some posters.



I agree Karma.  I think it is vitally important to identify Caylee's father.  This person has paternity rights.   Paternity could also be a significant motive in the murder of a child.  I have long felt that Lee is the father because of the hints that we have been given about Caylee's DNA, but most of all because of the things that haven't been said to deny that Lee is the father.  Jesse and his family have probably known since his paternity test that Caylee's father was related to Casey.  Remember, in a paternity test, both the mother and the father are required to produce DNA.  The DNA profiles of the parents are then compared to the child's DNA profile.  Lee and Casey wouldn't have identical DNA, but their markers would have a very high degree of similarity.  Jesse claimed that the paternity test gave a 99% chance that he was not the father.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 07:14:47 PM
I got a pretty big hint that its Lee that is the father. Now, it came in he form of a hint but the only person we know that has the things this person described, is Lee at this point. Not George because I got a general age bracket and I don't think Georges age fits in. I know HH said it wasn't Lee but I take everything she says with a grain of salt because I don't believe she has a source. Please don't slam me for that but she has lied about a few things and I knew something wasn't right there.    <<< That's My Opinion.

Also there is more DNA they didn't release today. I thought for sure it would be there but its gonna be great when it comes out! I promise!

 

I realize this is your opinion, but HH has done alot to help us with info on this case and I don't believe she has lied about anything. That was uncalled for IMO!


I second that Monken!!!!!!  Uncalled for!!!!!

PJ :flower:

Hey PJ and others, don't worry about the comments from this afternoon, it was all taken care of by a Mod.  ::MonkeyWink::


Thank You and Thank You to Muffy Bee!!!  I'm still playing catch up but am finally making progress.  I hope to be caught up in time to listen to NG or even read the transcript later tonight.  I can't get it here in the boonies.

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 07:16:24 PM
Orchidwmn - (HI, Neighbor) Haven't seen you post for a few days.  What are your thoughts on all of this?

I have been helping Mrskub with the cookbook for TES, and I can only lurk at work, I can't post for fear of big brother. But, I have been thinking a lot about this. These are only my opinions, and most of them are based on "feelings." I am not in any way psychic, but I do have a gut that tugs at me at times.

I think Casey killed Caylee possibly by accident in the home. I am still undecided on the method. My "gut" tells me she was still in a rage from the fight the night before and Caylee probably did some small thing, like pottied her pants, broke something etc, and Casey completely lost it.  She either hit her with something or shook her to death. I can't see the whole chloroform thing, although I know it is possible. We all have pictures of our kids crying, etc. But the picture of Caylee crying just gave me a really sick feeling.

Now in a panic, she has to come up with a plan. I think during this time her she began trying to come up with some sort of lie she could tell, but in this state of panic she couldn't come up with an accident.

I think she would have put her in some sort of trash bag(s) and taken her to the backyard, thinking she would bury her and then put the playhouse over her to hide the newly dug hole. The shed was locked, so she borrowed a shovel.  But the digging was hard, even with all the adrenaline, digging is hard work, and she knew she had to go deep. She probably starts to worry that Cindy would come home before she could complete the task.  She returns the shovel after an hour and half, and has to come up with a plan B.

I don't think she had any idea what plan B was, but she knew she had to get herself and Caylee out of that house. I think at some point she did put Caylee in a secondary container, but still in the trash bags as well. I always felt like it was a piece of the leopard luggage, but again that was a "gut" feeling I had.  When Dolce posted the picture and the link I went to the website, and read that it had a pink lining, and had wheels.  Instantly I thought it would be easier to move, not draw too much attention if any one saw her struggling trying to get a piece of luggage in or out of the car, and it seemed so "Casey". I certainly see the cooler as being a possibility as well, just don't have the same "feeling" about it.

Then the story gets all fuzzy in my head. I think she drove around with her for awhile as evidenced by the fact that she tells Amy about the smell, and eventually that she got rid of it. Like we have found, truth mixed with lies. I think it is possible that she did put something that was in the trunk in the dumpster. Maybe a rug, blanket, towel, etc, that she may have put down under the luggage, cooler, etc.  I feel that the JC Penney Statement, and possible video is a critical piece of the puzzle. Personally I want to see it now!!

I think when the smell got so bad she left it at Amscot. I think she left her purse in the car (but took her ID) hoping someone would steal it, thus absolving her of having to get "rid" of Caylee. Whoever stole it isn't going to go to the cops and say, hey I stole this car, and it smells like something dead is in it, if they found Caylee, they would driven it into alligator alley after wiping down their prints, then her kidnapping or a carjacking story might have worked. But nobody took the car.

I think she toyed with the idea of setting the car on fire with the gas cans, possibly putting Caylee in the car seat, but realized that because of the state of decomposition, she couldn't get Caylee in that seat anymore, and the fire was not going to hide the fact that Caylee was in the trunk.  Surely she had seen enough CSI episodes to know they would also determine that the cause of death was not fire, so she abandoned that idea as well.

I think she then took Caylee and dumped her somewhere near the airport. Again, girl with luggage near airport, not too weird of a sight.  I think that then she had some sort of euphoria that she was now single, could go about her life with a new start.

In the meantime, I think she put on her everything is normal hat, had fun, partied, cooked, played house and continued to lie to Cindy about what was going on and where she and Caylee were.  I just can't for the life of me figure out how she thought she would get away with it. The story was just too bizarre and full of holes, I don't think she ever thought it through. Like others, I think it may have been a reactionary story to Cindy's question what did you do?

I would love to see the computer queries she was doing the night Cindy came and got her. I think she had taken Amy's $250 and that she was probably going to hop a plane, or rent a car and go to CA to be with the marine. Tell him her mom took custody, and tell mom they were going to be a family. Then come up with some other lie about the kidnapping when she was far away from where she had left little Caylee.

Ok, so that is my theory. It in NO way means that I don't think everyone else's opinions and theories are possible and I find them all interesting. I think some of them are strange at times, but you may very well think mine are as well.  Sometimes I nod my head, sometimes I roll my eyes, but it is all good, because I know everyone here is here because we all care about Caylee.   ::MonkeyDance::

Unfortunately more than her mother.



That makes sense.  I really never gave much thought to her still planning to leave, but it sure wouldn't surprise me.

It is sad that we care more than Casey does...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 24, 2008, 07:18:55 PM
Casey and Lee look alot alike, you can defiantely tell they are related and favor their father.  Altho I can probably see Casey seducing her brother I do not think Lee is the father. Caylee looks nothing like them she looks just like JP Pratt.  I can see why they didnt want the father of the child to know.  The whole Anthony family are wackos and have been long before Caylee was murdered and they didnt want the fathers family taking Caylee away.  I think Lee didnt want to give his DNA because he is angry with LE and blames them for the info being leaked and listens to his mom too much.  I think deep down Lee knows his sister killed her daughter but doesnt want to be disowned from the family. 

Has anyone ever seen any George is Casey? I may see a little bit of George in Lee but not Casey. Casey may be the milk mans child for all we know!! Wpould cause some marital probs at some point in their marriage.
I think Caylee looked more like Cindy than like Casey.To me Casey looks more like George than she does Cindy.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 07:20:27 PM
I dreamed that Casey shook Caylee like a rag doll and she died.  Is that possible?  I know you can shake an infant and they can die, but what about a toddler???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 24, 2008, 07:21:44 PM
Casey and Lee look alot alike, you can defiantely tell they are related and favor their father.  Altho I can probably see Casey seducing her brother I do not think Lee is the father. Caylee looks nothing like them she looks just like JP Pratt.  I can see why they didnt want the father of the child to know.  The whole Anthony family are wackos and have been long before Caylee was murdered and they didnt want the fathers family taking Caylee away.  I think Lee didnt want to give his DNA because he is angry with LE and blames them for the info being leaked and listens to his mom too much.  I think deep down Lee knows his sister killed her daughter but doesnt want to be disowned from the family. 

Has anyone ever seen any George is Casey? I may see a little bit of George in Lee but not Casey. Casey may be the milk mans child for all we know!! Wpould cause some marital probs at some point in their marriage.
I think Caylee looked more like Cindy than like Casey.To me Casey looks more like George than she does Cindy.

I agree, Karma...that's what I have always thought/seen.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 07:22:25 PM



A contemporary example of inbreeding is evident with the Amish in Pennsylvania.  The Amish have intermarried for many generations because of the limited numbers in their religious group.  At this point, many Amish women frequently miscarry and the children frequently die from various disorders as infants and children.  The Amish have a very high infant mortality rate. One disorder that is found in the Amish population is known as Maple Sugar Urine Syndrome.  It is a recessive genetic metabolic disorder that has emerged as dominant genetic after years of intermarriage.  The infant is born normal, but soon shows signs of a brownish urine.  Most of these MSUS children die in infancy, but those who do live longer face severe mental retardation.

WOW..interesting SS.....you are one smart monkey!!!



Thanks Sunny,

I just loved it when I was working on that particular degree.  It is so interesting.  Another contemporary example is Tay Sachs.  In simplistic terms, tay sachs was originally a mutation in the shape of blood cells.  The mutation spread through generations because ironically, the misshapened cells actually served to stop the spread of malaria.  So, many of the African people who survived the malaria outbreaks actually had the cell mutation and the malaria survivers passed the gene on to their children.  Many generations later, some people of African origin still carry the mutation as a recessive gene.  When two carriers produce a child who gets both of the recessive genes, the result is tay sachs which is also a terminal condition.

Tay Sachs is European Jewish population disease.  You sure you didn't mean Sickle Cell anemia?




Yes, I apologize!!!  Tay Sachs is also genetic, but Sickle Cell is what I was describing.  It's been a long day.  Sorry.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 24, 2008, 07:23:19 PM
Blonde, your cooler theory is looking stronger all the time.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mgoblue on October 24, 2008, 07:24:40 PM
Casey and Lee look alot alike, you can defiantely tell they are related and favor their father.  Altho I can probably see Casey seducing her brother I do not think Lee is the father. Caylee looks nothing like them she looks just like JP Pratt.  I can see why they didnt want the father of the child to know.  The whole Anthony family are wackos and have been long before Caylee was murdered and they didnt want the fathers family taking Caylee away.  I think Lee didnt want to give his DNA because he is angry with LE and blames them for the info being leaked and listens to his mom too much.  I think deep down Lee knows his sister killed her daughter but doesnt want to be disowned from the family. 

Has anyone ever seen any George is Casey? I may see a little bit of George in Lee but not Casey. Casey may be the milk mans child for all we know!! Wpould cause some marital probs at some point in their marriage.
I think Caylee looked more like Cindy than like Casey.To me Casey looks more like George than she does Cindy.

In the documents released previously, wasn't there mention of a meeting between LE and KA, CA and LA were the paternity was discussed? LE indicating that they knew who the father was.  I'm pretty sure there was such a meeting and hope I'm not dreaming this up! It struck me as very odd that GA was missing from this meeting. Does anyone else recall this?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TxLady2 on October 24, 2008, 07:25:18 PM
Casey and Lee look alot alike, you can defiantely tell they are related and favor their father.  Altho I can probably see Casey seducing her brother I do not think Lee is the father. Caylee looks nothing like them she looks just like JP Pratt.  I can see why they didnt want the father of the child to know.  The whole Anthony family are wackos and have been long before Caylee was murdered and they didnt want the fathers family taking Caylee away.  I think Lee didnt want to give his DNA because he is angry with LE and blames them for the info being leaked and listens to his mom too much.  I think deep down Lee knows his sister killed her daughter but doesnt want to be disowned from the family. 

Has anyone ever seen any George is Casey? I may see a little bit of George in Lee but not Casey. Casey may be the milk mans child for all we know!! Wpould cause some marital probs at some point in their marriage.
I think Caylee looked more like Cindy than like Casey.To me Casey looks more like George than she does Cindy.

I see George in both Lee and Casey... the dark hair and eyebrows, for sure, and also the shape of the eyes. Caylee did favor Cindy some, but she does not really favor either Casey or Lee. She does resemble this JP Chatt quite a lot, but she also could favor Jesse G. if you look at the eyes. Yes, I know he is not the father... too bad, he's a good-looking guy. I wonder if Casey even has a clue who the real dad is?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 07:27:50 PM
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 07:28:51 PM
Casey and Lee look alot alike, you can defiantely tell they are related and favor their father.  Altho I can probably see Casey seducing her brother I do not think Lee is the father. Caylee looks nothing like them she looks just like JP Pratt.  I can see why they didnt want the father of the child to know.  The whole Anthony family are wackos and have been long before Caylee was murdered and they didnt want the fathers family taking Caylee away.  I think Lee didnt want to give his DNA because he is angry with LE and blames them for the info being leaked and listens to his mom too much.  I think deep down Lee knows his sister killed her daughter but doesnt want to be disowned from the family. 

Has anyone ever seen any George is Casey? I may see a little bit of George in Lee but not Casey. Casey may be the milk mans child for all we know!! Wpould cause some marital probs at some point in their marriage.
I think Caylee looked more like Cindy than like Casey.To me Casey looks more like George than she does Cindy.

In the documents released previously, wasn't there mention of a meeting between LE and KA, CA and LA were the paternity was discussed? LE indicating that they knew who the father was.  I'm pretty sure there was such a meeting and hope I'm not dreaming this up! It struck me as very odd that GA was missing from this meeting. Does anyone else recall this?




I also read that there was a meeting that took place mid-week and then George was MIA for a few days.  I also read that George was the only family member who was not aware of Caylee's paternity prior to that meeting. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mgoblue on October 24, 2008, 07:30:53 PM
Casey and Lee look alot alike, you can defiantely tell they are related and favor their father.  Altho I can probably see Casey seducing her brother I do not think Lee is the father. Caylee looks nothing like them she looks just like JP Pratt.  I can see why they didnt want the father of the child to know.  The whole Anthony family are wackos and have been long before Caylee was murdered and they didnt want the fathers family taking Caylee away.  I think Lee didnt want to give his DNA because he is angry with LE and blames them for the info being leaked and listens to his mom too much.  I think deep down Lee knows his sister killed her daughter but doesnt want to be disowned from the family. 

Has anyone ever seen any George is Casey? I may see a little bit of George in Lee but not Casey. Casey may be the milk mans child for all we know!! Wpould cause some marital probs at some point in their marriage.
I think Caylee looked more like Cindy than like Casey.To me Casey looks more like George than she does Cindy.

In the documents released previously, wasn't there mention of a meeting between LE and KA, CA and LA were the paternity was discussed? LE indicating that they knew who the father was.  I'm pretty sure there was such a meeting and hope I'm not dreaming this up! It struck me as very odd that GA was missing from this meeting. Does anyone else recall this?




I also read that there was a meeting that took place mid-week and then George was MIA for a few days.  I also read that George was the only family member who was not aware of Caylee's paternity prior to that meeting. 

Thanks. Glad I'm not missing all my brain cells.  Did anything more come of this?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 07:31:07 PM
Prosecutor's case, in a nutshell -
Casey Anthony – high school dropout, unwed and pregnant at 19 (possibly by her brother, no one has denied this as of yet…)
Has told various differing stories about who is Caylee’s father,
Known as a “diabolical liar” by her friends,
Pretended for nearly 2 years to have a job when she really did not have one,
Stole thousands of $$ from her grandparents savings,
Spent thousands of $$ on her mother’s credit cards,
Known to be very promiscuous,
By most accounts seemed to love her daughter, although (according to brother) her mother Cindy says she was a bad mother, Caylee a mistake, etc etc etc.
Claims to have a xanax connection (Annie),
Researching how to make chloroform as early as May 2008,
Researching missing child websites,
Telling people that Caylee was “with the nanny” as early as May 2008 although not one friend or family member has ever met or even seen said nanny (Caylee possibly drugged in trunk of car?),
Known to take Caylee to “adult” parties and nightclubs, and chastised by her friends for doing so,
Cindy threatening to take custody of Caylee?
Cindy and George actually seeing counselor regarding getting custody of Caylee?
Has fight with mother over stealing from grandparents and generally being a shitty mother, Cindy choked her and there was a lot of screaming (this according to Lee and neighbors),
Immediately after the fight, wants to visit boyfriend but boyfriend says “don’t bring the kid”,
(do we know where she actually spent the night on June 15th?  George says he saw C&C at 1pm on the 16th – LAST REPORTED SIGHTING OF CAYLEE).
No reported sightings of Caylee after June 16th.
Casey having nightmares during the following week,
Casey borrows shovel on June 18th and backs car into garage. 
Caylee steals best friend’s checkbook and shops at target, buys nothing for Caylee.
Caylee returns home and doesn’t get supplies for Caylee.
Caylee buys a ________________ at JCP on June 27th (LE will fill in that blank).
Car smells of dead body.
Cindy tells 911 operator that car smells of dead body.
Cindy asks Casey “what have you done?!”
Casey tells a string of the most ridiculous lies to LE, and sticks to them !

Now if you’re not yet sold,

Evidence compiled by the FBI says “Caylee is dead and was in trunk of car”.


Do we really need a body ?




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Western Observr on October 24, 2008, 07:32:59 PM



A contemporary example of inbreeding is evident with the Amish in Pennsylvania.  The Amish have intermarried for many generations because of the limited numbers in their religious group.  At this point, many Amish women frequently miscarry and the children frequently die from various disorders as infants and children.  The Amish have a very high infant mortality rate. One disorder that is found in the Amish population is known as Maple Sugar Urine Syndrome.  It is a recessive genetic metabolic disorder that has emerged as dominant genetic after years of intermarriage.  The infant is born normal, but soon shows signs of a brownish urine.  Most of these MSUS children die in infancy, but those who do live longer face severe mental retardation.

WOW..interesting SS.....you are one smart monkey!!!



Thanks Sunny,

I just loved it when I was working on that particular degree.  It is so interesting.  Another contemporary example is Tay Sachs.  In simplistic terms, tay sachs was originally a mutation in the shape of blood cells.  The mutation spread through generations because ironically, the misshapened cells actually served to stop the spread of malaria.  So, many of the African people who survived the malaria outbreaks actually had the cell mutation and the malaria survivers passed the gene on to their children.  Many generations later, some people of African origin still carry the mutation as a recessive gene.  When two carriers produce a child who gets both of the recessive genes, the result is tay sachs which is also a terminal condition.

uummmmm interesting....something that did good (stopped malaria)....is now a killer if the recessive gene is carried by both parents.....and incurable totally???

Sorry but I think you have Sickle Cell Anemia and Tay Sachs confused. Tay Sachs is almost always found in those of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage.
Sickle cell anemia is found primarily in black people.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Altruist on October 24, 2008, 07:35:57 PM
if chloroform is poured onto mulch or soil will it be detected by forensic analysis?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 24, 2008, 07:37:19 PM
I found this link it's a hand book I don't have time tonight to read it.

/Cadaver-Dog-Handbook-Forensic-Training-Tactics
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4623888/Cadaver-Dog-Handbook-Forensic-Training-Tactics


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 07:37:25 PM
Hi Monkeys.  I've spent the better part of the afternoon reading and catching up.  I think many are not aware of just how often sibling incest occurs.  It is the dark secret in many families.  It does occur FIVE times more often than other relational incest.  While birth defects are common in children born of incest, Caylee obviously did not suffer from this.  Not all children of incest have genetic mutations.  In fact, the MAJORITY are born perfectly normal.  However, genetic mutations occur with a greater frequency than in normal populations.  I posted some research on all this a few weeks ago, so if anyone is interested, you can search my posts. 

I think it is quite possible Lee is Caylee's father, as repulsive as that seems to us.  Other monkeys have posted the inconsistencies in the family's comments about paternity, the other indications that make many think this is the secret this family is protecting.

My concern is that Baez will use this as a defensive strategy, claiming Casey is a "victim" (as Cindy likes to remind us) of her brother's sexual assault.  This is really more of a concern to me than any insanity defense which would never fly in court.  I'm afraid a jury would be sympathetic to this woman if Baez attempts to show she was repeatedly sexually assaulted by her brother and "forced" to bear his child.  I have read some of the psychological research that indicates women can be the aggressors in sibling incest, but usually if the male is elder, this is not the case.  I really think this is a serious concern and what Baez was talking about when he said we would understand when they get a chance to tell their story.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 07:37:35 PM
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 07:37:48 PM



A contemporary example of inbreeding is evident with the Amish in Pennsylvania.  The Amish have intermarried for many generations because of the limited numbers in their religious group.  At this point, many Amish women frequently miscarry and the children frequently die from various disorders as infants and children.  The Amish have a very high infant mortality rate. One disorder that is found in the Amish population is known as Maple Sugar Urine Syndrome.  It is a recessive genetic metabolic disorder that has emerged as dominant genetic after years of intermarriage.  The infant is born normal, but soon shows signs of a brownish urine.  Most of these MSUS children die in infancy, but those who do live longer face severe mental retardation.

WOW..interesting SS.....you are one smart monkey!!!



Thanks Sunny,

I just loved it when I was working on that particular degree.  It is so interesting.  Another contemporary example is Tay Sachs.  In simplistic terms, tay sachs was originally a mutation in the shape of blood cells.  The mutation spread through generations because ironically, the misshapened cells actually served to stop the spread of malaria.  So, many of the African people who survived the malaria outbreaks actually had the cell mutation and the malaria survivers passed the gene on to their children.  Many generations later, some people of African origin still carry the mutation as a recessive gene.  When two carriers produce a child who gets both of the recessive genes, the result is tay sachs which is also a terminal condition.

uummmmm interesting....something that did good (stopped malaria)....is now a killer if the recessive gene is carried by both parents.....and incurable totally???

Sorry but I think you have Sickle Cell Anemia and Tay Sachs confused. Tay Sachs is almost always found in those of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage.
Sickle cell anemia is found primarily in black people.


Yes WO, I did switch the two and I'm so sorry.  Sickle cell is the African genetic disorder that is a double edged sword - it blocks malaria, but kills the person.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 07:43:24 PM
Hi Monkeys.  I've spent the better part of the afternoon reading and catching up.  I think many are not aware of just how often sibling incest occurs.  It is the dark secret in many families.  It does occur FIVE times more often than other relational incest.  While birth defects are common in children born of incest, Caylee obviously did not suffer from this.  Not all children of incest have genetic mutations.  In fact, the MAJORITY are born perfectly normal.  However, genetic mutations occur with a greater frequency than in normal populations.  I posted some research on all this a few weeks ago, so if anyone is interested, you can search my posts. 

I think it is quite possible Lee is Caylee's father, as repulsive as that seems to us.  Other monkeys have posted the inconsistencies in the family's comments about paternity, the other indications that make many think this is the secret this family is protecting.

My concern is that Baez will use this as a defensive strategy, claiming Casey is a "victim" (as Cindy likes to remind us) of her brother's sexual assault.  This is really more of a concern to me than any insanity defense which would never fly in court.  I'm afraid a jury would be sympathetic to this woman if Baez attempts to show she was repeatedly sexually assaulted by her brother and "forced" to bear his child.  I have read some of the psychological research that indicates women can be the aggressors in sibling incest, but usually if the male is elder, this is not the case.  I really think this is a serious concern and what Baez was talking about when he said we would understand when they get a chance to tell their story.

Very interesting.  I remember reading your posts, but I couldn't remember who posted this info.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 07:43:38 PM
Good Lord monkeys,
  Could we please move forward? I do grow so weary with page after page of nothing but pure raw speculation.My friends here are all in a lather over post that don't mean a thing to anyone except to the poster that posted it...Please,this is about little Caylee and no matter if Lee is the father or not,Casey is the one in all probability that killed her and we should be about looking for justice,not devouring one another in the process.It just isn't helpful... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think if Lee is the father, it is critical to the "why" in this sordid story.  There is never an excuse, but if true, this makes Casey a victim of sorts as her mom continues to say Casey is a victim as much as Caylee.  If she was abused, and she was forced to take responsibility for a child between Lee and her, then all of her behavior is given meaning.  This would explain why Cindy is so adamant on protecting her daughter.  She would feel guilty for all that she has done to Casey.  Caylee is the ultimate victim, but Casey was a victim of her brother.  Cindy would have no choice but to protect Casey, it protects Lee, and it protects the deep dark secret they might have all been hiding.
Makes sense to me Russ.I can't understand why some opinions are batted out of the cage if it offends some posters.



I agree Karma.  I think it is vitally important to identify Caylee's father.  This person has paternity rights.   Paternity could also be a significant motive in the murder of a child.  I have long felt that Lee is the father because of the hints that we have been given about Caylee's DNA, but most of all because of the things that haven't been said to deny that Lee is the father.  Jesse and his family have probably known since his paternity test that Caylee's father was related to Casey.  Remember, in a paternity test, both the mother and the father are required to produce DNA.  The DNA profiles of the parents are then compared to the child's DNA profile.  Lee and Casey wouldn't have identical DNA, but their markers would have a very high degree of similarity.  Jesse claimed that the paternity test gave a 99% chance that he was not the father.

I have a question?What makes you think that Jesse and his Father would know Caylee's Father is a relative?Why would they be privy to that kind of information?That makes no sense at all to me.The paternity test was to rule out Jesse,plain and simple.I do not believe for one second that Caylee's rights would be violated in such a way and if they were,a lawsuit could've and should've proceeded against the violater giving out the information.It's just my opinion but I don't think either one of the Grunds know squat except that Jesse is not the Father..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 24, 2008, 07:44:38 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...


That proves that what I said is true to those of you that don't believe what I said. Who told us that caylees body was in the car for 11 days? Proves my point and I am right.


Because this "point" of yours was not concussively yours....I'm assuming you meant that you...and others, who thought this as well.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 07:45:00 PM



A contemporary example of inbreeding is evident with the Amish in Pennsylvania.  The Amish have intermarried for many generations because of the limited numbers in their religious group.  At this point, many Amish women frequently miscarry and the children frequently die from various disorders as infants and children.  The Amish have a very high infant mortality rate. One disorder that is found in the Amish population is known as Maple Sugar Urine Syndrome.  It is a recessive genetic metabolic disorder that has emerged as dominant genetic after years of intermarriage.  The infant is born normal, but soon shows signs of a brownish urine.  Most of these MSUS children die in infancy, but those who do live longer face severe mental retardation.

WOW..interesting SS.....you are one smart monkey!!!



Thanks Sunny,

I just loved it when I was working on that particular degree.  It is so interesting.  Another contemporary example is Tay Sachs.  In simplistic terms, tay sachs was originally a mutation in the shape of blood cells.  The mutation spread through generations because ironically, the misshapened cells actually served to stop the spread of malaria.  So, many of the African people who survived the malaria outbreaks actually had the cell mutation and the malaria survivers passed the gene on to their children.  Many generations later, some people of African origin still carry the mutation as a recessive gene.  When two carriers produce a child who gets both of the recessive genes, the result is tay sachs which is also a terminal condition.

uummmmm interesting....something that did good (stopped malaria)....is now a killer if the recessive gene is carried by both parents.....and incurable totally???


Yes, Sunny. It's heartbreaking.  I am a guidance counselor and I have had several children with sickel cell anemia over the years.  It is so sad and the parents are so filled with guilt because of the genetic component, because they didn't realize that they were carriers of the recessive gene.  When two recessive genes are passed to a child, there is no dominant gene to take over and produce a healthy child.  It's the same thing with Fragile X Syndrome that is similar to autism.  I just thank God for advances in genetic counseling.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 24, 2008, 07:45:38 PM
Hello All,

   Wonder if it's possible that Caylee's father is a prisioner and his DNA is on file.  That's the only other reasonable explanation I can think of for the A's not wanting him involved and LE having his DNA.  Maybe a sexual offender.  Other than that it seems a family memeber is likely under the circumstances. 

   Just throwing something else out there.   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 07:45:48 PM
In fact, I wonder if LE will find some way to leak the results of Caylee's paternity to defang Baez's defense, in a way.  This is a double-edged sword.  The prosecution needs to find a relevance for introducing Caylee's paternity into the case before it goes to trial so as to de-sensitize the jury pool to the defense's shocking revelation in the court room.  Perhaps instead of finding relevance, the best way to deal with the issue is to "leak" it through the media.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 07:47:51 PM
Hello All,

   Wonder if it's possible that Caylee's father is a prisioner and his DNA is on file.  That's the only other reasonable explanation I can think of for the A's not wanting him involved and LE having his DNA.  Maybe a sexual offender.  Other than that it seems a family memeber is likely under the circumstances. 

   Just throwing something else out there.   
Stirring the pot, sotospeak?   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 24, 2008, 07:48:38 PM
One more curious thing to me...when Cindy picked up Casey from Tony's on July 15th why did Casey who never parts with her cell phone leave it at Tony's house?  I just found that strange.   

I wondered about that, too.  Most girls like Casey who live on their phone would have picked it up automatically before leaving with Cindy.  Perhaps she was too upset to be aware of what she had with her?  Nah...that is just a weird thing.  She would have taken her purse and cell phone, automatically.
Casey left her phone at Tony's?
So how did Cindy and Casey go through all of Casey's contacts and notify them that Caylee was missing for 31 days?

Lee went to Tony's apartment the night of July 15th to retrieve all of Casey's things...he got her phone and brought it back home.
Didn't Lee get back home real late that night?Didn't Cindy and Casey get a hold of all of Casey's friends before the police arrived?

While LE are at Anthony home questioning family, Lee goes to Tony's apt. and picks up Casey's laptop, large leopard print duffle bag w/clothing, white backpack w/clothing, large purse with toiletries, female items.
Leaves midnight on 7/15, returns 2:25 am on 7/16.

IIRC, it is no more than a 20 min drive from Tony's to the Anthony home. So where was he for 2 hours?
I'd have to say that Lee was spending that time trying to erase info on the computer.
So did Lee also pick up Casey's cell phone?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 07:48:56 PM
Hello All,

   Wonder if it's possible that Caylee's father is a prisioner and his DNA is on file.  That's the only other reasonable explanation I can think of for the A's not wanting him involved and LE having his DNA.  Maybe a sexual offender.  Other than that it seems a family memeber is likely under the circumstances. 

   Just throwing something else out there.   

I haven't ruled out anything, even the possibility that they have no idea who the father is.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on October 24, 2008, 07:49:36 PM


She said from the DNA.

Willen - could you please ask her if they only had Caylee's DNA, could they tell by that alone that the father was a family member ?  (because this is supposedly how the whole "Lee is the baby daddy" thing started....)
TIA !!

Maybe I am missing something, but isn't it quite feasible that LP got Lee's DNA from one of the several trips to the trailer, drink cup, hair, cig butt (if he smokes) etc and then compared it to the test from Jessie G?   He seems confident.  I know I posted this a long time ago, but for the new monkeys and for someone to explain why that is not possible.

Second thought - after doing my monkey homework reading.
Is it fair to get ticked at Tony for telling Casey not to bring Caylee.  After all he knew:  The activities in his home that might not be appropiate for a child (sex, drinking, maybe drugs, etc....) and he had not known her long and HAD NO REASON NOT TO BELIEVE there was a NANNY?  I am just saying, seems everyone is ticked that if he hadn't said don't bring Caylee, Caylee would be alive - but by the grace of God (or your belief here) there go any of us, right? 



I'm not ticked at Tony, if that's the way it really went down, he was showing more concern for Caylee's well being than Casey showed. 

Texas Bar None --- wasn't talking to you or any specific poster.  Several pages back a number of posters sounded very angry at Tony.  I know we all want to be mad at someone, but until Casey has someone to share my anger with, I will leave it with her in her little cell!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 24, 2008, 07:49:57 PM
CSITECH, I don't think any of us here are trying to be "right" about things.  None of us has enough information to sort it all out without speculating and guessing.  We are just doing what curious people do, wondering about the case and how it all unfolded and what the evidence will be.  Sooner or later, we will find out a lot, and the jury will make the final assessments. 

You may be "right" in what your are saying or you may be proven "wrong."  But we are not giving out trophies here.  We are discussing.

Bravo! I agree.  NOTHING has been proven as yet. And stating so...is really laughable.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 07:50:05 PM

I'd have to say that Lee was spending that time trying to erase info on the computer.
So did Lee also pick up Casey's cell phone?
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No.  Detectives went to Tony's and picked up her cell phone earlier.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 07:50:14 PM
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 24, 2008, 07:50:42 PM
Orchidwoman's theory is pretty strong, too.  I agree with it on many points.

No matter what Cindy may say now, I think she and Casey had a real hot argument toward the end of Father's Day, and Cindy said a number of things that not only made Casey mad but threatened her self-esteem to the core.  "You are an unfit mother.  You are a thief.  I could have you arrested.  You can't be trusted.  We could get custody of Caylee."  It was their worst argument, sort of a culmination of two and a half years of tension, competition, jealousy and attempts to control.  Cindy was angry and so was Casey, but Cindy thought it would blow over.  It did not.  Casey left in a huff with Caylee and refused to let Cindy anywhere near the child or let Cindy talk to Caylee on the phone.  Casey lashed back in the only way she knew how, by leaving and taking Caylee with her.  Given her love of partying and her obvious weariness with child care and motherhood, one would expect her to just walk out and tell Cindy she could have Caylee.  But that would make Cindy right about it all, and it would reward Cindy for what Casey saw as a lack of love or support and too much interference in her life.  So, she left, determined to punish Cindy.  I think at that moment and for days or weeks afterward, she was so angry that all she could think of was getting away from Cindy for good and at any cost. 

I think she got angry with Caylee when Caylee started to cry and ask to go home to grandma.  That would really have set her off, since she thought that Cindy and Caylee were getting too close.  It would have affirmed that the baby loved Cindy more and wanted to be in the house that Casey had come to see as a prison.  Somehow, I do not think this happened in the Anthony house.  It may have happened in the car. 

I think that she had been planning or fantasizing about having Caylee go missing.  The computer searches seem to verify that.  As Orchidwoman said, being the mother of a missing child would bring her loads of love, sympathy and attention and do what she wanted it to do in other ways, too --- keep Cindy from having the child.  It was the perfect way to hurt Cindy and free herself at the same time. 

The Marine played a part in her fantasy plans, probably without knowing it.  Her calls to him and discussions about going to California tell me she had focused on him as a likely helper.  Like Orchid said, it would have been easy for her to get rid of Caylee and claim that someone kidnapped the child, tell the Marine he was the dad, and go off to California to be with him.  But something happened to rush her plan.  She got mad and hurt Caylee and was forced to act before all her ducks were in a row.  Hence, her behavior is very erratic and it appears she had several ideas at once, from saying the car was stolen with Caylee in it to saying Caylee wandered off or something like that.  She did not really fix on the kidnapping story until Cindy said, Who has her?  Then she started ad libbing.

I think she abandoned the car because she realized it had not been cleaned up as fully as she thought and the smell became noticeable but not so noticeable that others would comment if they walked by.  She knew it would get worse and hoped someone would steal the car and get it off her hands.  After it sat at the impound lot for three days, the smell was unbearable and it, as much as anything, prompted Cindy to go looking for Casey and track her down with questions and accusations. 

It is very possible that Casey was counting the days until she could get on a plane to California.  She might have tried to convince the Marine that her daughter had died or that the grandparents had Caylee.  She would have told Cindy that she was going to live with the Marine in California and taking Caylee and then going overseas.  It may have worked, at least for a while.

But Cindy found her and demanded to know where Casey was and called 911.  Casey went into a frenzy of lying that made little sense to anyone but her.  It was all she knew to do.  She held the card that everyone wanted, the location of Caylee's body, so she continued the lie about Zanny, no matter how improbable it seemed.

Whenever I ask, how did she expect to get away with it, I just think of Mark Hacking, the guy who lied for years about being a college student, graduating college, being accepted to medical school, etc.  He just stacked one lie on top of the other until his wife Lorie found out and then he killed her.  The lies were outrageous ones, but he got everyone to believe him, just as Casey got everyone to believe she had a job and went to college and had a sitter named Zanny.





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 07:51:06 PM
In fact, I wonder if LE will find some way to leak the results of Caylee's paternity to defang Baez's defense, in a way.  This is a double-edged sword.  The prosecution needs to find a relevance for introducing Caylee's paternity into the case before it goes to trial so as to de-sensitize the jury pool to the defense's shocking revelation in the court room.  Perhaps instead of finding relevance, the best way to deal with the issue is to "leak" it through the media.




AZ - I have wondered if LE will use the paternity results and Cindy's statements that Casey was not a good mother and didn't want Caylee, to help build a motive for Casey killing Caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 24, 2008, 07:52:03 PM
Hello All,

   Wonder if it's possible that Caylee's father is a prisioner and his DNA is on file.  That's the only other reasonable explanation I can think of for the A's not wanting him involved and LE having his DNA.  Maybe a sexual offender.  Other than that it seems a family memeber is likely under the circumstances. 

   Just throwing something else out there.   
Stirring the pot, sotospeak?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

AZ that was goooooooood LOL   ::MonkeyHaHa::   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 07:53:13 PM
Hi Monkeys.  I've spent the better part of the afternoon reading and catching up.  I think many are not aware of just how often sibling incest occurs.  It is the dark secret in many families.  It does occur FIVE times more often than other relational incest.  While birth defects are common in children born of incest, Caylee obviously did not suffer from this.  Not all children of incest have genetic mutations.  In fact, the MAJORITY are born perfectly normal.  However, genetic mutations occur with a greater frequency than in normal populations.  I posted some research on all this a few weeks ago, so if anyone is interested, you can search my posts. 

I think it is quite possible Lee is Caylee's father, as repulsive as that seems to us.  Other monkeys have posted the inconsistencies in the family's comments about paternity, the other indications that make many think this is the secret this family is protecting.

My concern is that Baez will use this as a defensive strategy, claiming Casey is a "victim" (as Cindy likes to remind us) of her brother's sexual assault.  This is really more of a concern to me than any insanity defense which would never fly in court.  I'm afraid a jury would be sympathetic to this woman if Baez attempts to show she was repeatedly sexually assaulted by her brother and "forced" to bear his child.  I have read some of the psychological research that indicates women can be the aggressors in sibling incest, but usually if the male is elder, this is not the case.  I really think this is a serious concern and what Baez was talking about when he said we would understand when they get a chance to tell their story.

Very interesting.  I remember reading your posts, but I couldn't remember who posted this info.
Wow. that is interesting and a side I didn't think about.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 07:53:51 PM
::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::????????

Always1 - What's wrong?  ::MonkeyEek::
Sorry, no one was talking to me.  I need your hug from Dana.

Not dana, but will this help?   :smt056  You're A-l, you saucy kitty-cat! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 07:54:16 PM
Everyone's comments here are speculation and discussion, and this should be understood by all participants.  As I tell my students, argumentation is NOT INTENDED to determine who is right or wrong, but to RESULT in increased understanding.  We can hotly disagree, but it's not a contest with a winner and a loser.  It's a race for more understanding.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 07:54:54 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/17793661/detail.html

REPORT: Evidence Of Decomposition, Chloroform In Casey's Car

POSTED: 8:21 am EDT October 24, 2008
UPDATED: 4:25 pm EDT October 24, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Scientists who conducted forensic tests in the Casey Anthony investigation concluded that human decomposition and evidence of chloroform were present in the trunk of Casey's car, according to the report released Friday.

The report details findings from FBI tests on items found inside Casey's car, including DNA results on hair samples and forensic testing of debris and clothing (read details).

Among the results is confirmation that a hair sample found in the vehicle "exhibits characteristics of apparent decomposition."  The report also says that specific hair is "microscopically similar"  to hair investigators took from Caylee's hairbrush, but couldn't confirm it was conclusively Caylee's.

DNA testing done on that piece of hair and compared with a sample provided by Casey confirmed that neither Casey nor Caylee can be "excluded as the source of the hair," because the "mtDNA sequences ... are the same."

Tests also confirmed "residues of chloroform" within a spare tire cover found inside the trunk of Casey's car. "Residues consistent with chloroform" were also found within the left and right side trunk liner. The report says no other chemicals were detected within those items.

Odor tests that were conducted on the carpet inside Casey's car concluded that 80 percent of the chemicals identified were "consistent with decompositional events." The results of the FBI's Laser-Induced Breakdown Spectroscopy (LIBS) on the same carpet concluded that "while these are still preliminary results ... both odor analysis and LIBS results appear  to be quite consistent with a decompositional event having occurred in the trunk of the vehicle."

The report also clarifies that the tests conducted appear  to point to human decomposition and not animal. Meanwhile, a hair fragment the FBI found on the shovel Casey borrowed from her neighbor days after investigators believe Caylee was murdered, but that hair did not match Caylee or Casey.

The report's final conclusion is that the results of the tests and comparisons indicate "that a portion of the total odor signature identified in the Florida vehicle trunk is consistent with a decompositional event that could be of human origin."

The details of the report released Friday are probably part of what the grand jury heard last week before indicting Casey, but it's not all of the evidence. The thousands of tips that were called in on the case are expected to be released soon and Eyewitness News has learned the vast majority of them are from psychics.

Thank you mammy.

What can forensics not "conclusively" determine results?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 07:55:08 PM
::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::????????

Always1 - What's wrong?  ::MonkeyEek::
Sorry, no one was talking to me.  I need your hug from Dana.

Not dana, but will this help?   :smt056  You're A-l, you saucy kitty-cat! 
Thank you Muffy!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 24, 2008, 07:55:42 PM
I read all the pages that were released today and the only thing I didn't find, is the conclusion I came to long ago:


 Somebody peed in the Anthony gene pool!!!!!   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 24, 2008, 07:56:00 PM
One more curious thing to me...when Cindy picked up Casey from Tony's on July 15th why did Casey who never parts with her cell phone leave it at Tony's house?  I just found that strange.   


I wondered about that, too.  Most girls like Casey who live on their phone would have picked it up automatically before leaving with Cindy.  Perhaps she was too upset to be aware of what she had with her?  Nah...that is just a weird thing.  She would have taken her purse and cell phone, automatically.
Casey left her phone at Tony's?
So how did Cindy and Casey go through all of Casey's contacts and notify them that Caylee was missing for 31 days?

Lee went to Tony's apartment the night of July 15th to retrieve all of Casey's things...he got her phone and brought it back home.
Didn't Lee get back home real late that night?Didn't Cindy and Casey get a hold of all of Casey's friends before the police arrived?


sorry.......  IIRC- LE picked up her cell phone from Tony's before Lee got there.  I wonder why they didn't get her computer and bags then.  I would also be curious if the computer was on while they were there or already had the screen of death.  - just wondering........


Thanks,guess I should re read the whole timeline for 6/15-6/16


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 07:57:37 PM
That is a whole new story.....  (what AZ Lady said)  that Baez is comforting Casey because her brother had sex with her and her mom made her keep the baby.  Then both parents would be mad at Lee, but still why say Caylee is alive?????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 07:58:18 PM
Everyone's comments here are speculation and discussion, and this should be understood by all participants.  As I tell my students, argumentation is NOT INTENDED to determine who is right or wrong, but to RESULT in increased understanding.  We can hotly disagree, but it's not a contest with a winner and a loser.  It's a race for more understanding.

Well said AZLady.

Hey ... are you a teacher?

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 07:58:25 PM
Everyone's comments here are speculation and discussion, and this should be understood by all participants.  As I tell my students, argumentation is NOT INTENDED to determine who is right or wrong, but to RESULT in increased understanding.  We can hotly disagree, but it's not a contest with a winner and a loser.  It's a race for more understanding.

Very well said!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 07:59:09 PM
Hudsunn, I think that's probably very close to what really happened.  Add to the mix Casey's ambivalent feelings towards Caylee if Lee is her father, and the woman was ready to explode.  I just think we need to be ready to counter the defense's interpretation of the pressure the Anthony's put on Casey.  Actually, the Prosecution needs to be ready!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: WillenFan21 on October 24, 2008, 07:59:17 PM
For those that want to listen to Nancy Grace but won't be able to at home or you don't have an access for TV, I am going to be streaming it in here again. This is all you do:

1.  To enter(all you do is click on 'Chat') the chatroom you go here: http://www.userplane.com/directory/index.cfm?action=domain.search&q=WillenFan21

2. When you enter the chatroom on the left hand corner there is a list with all of the usernames of the people that are in the chatroom. You will see my username which is "WillenFan21"

3. All you do after that is you click on my username and the "A" and then you will be to hear my TV.

The only thing is you WILL NOT be able to see it live but you will be able to hear it live.  :)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 07:59:49 PM
Hello All,

   Wonder if it's possible that Caylee's father is a prisioner and his DNA is on file.  That's the only other reasonable explanation I can think of for the A's not wanting him involved and LE having his DNA.  Maybe a sexual offender.  Other than that it seems a family memeber is likely under the circumstances. 

   Just throwing something else out there.   

I haven't ruled out anything, even the possibility that they have no idea who the father is.


This is pretty much where I am on the who's the daddy situation...
AZSunny's post about Lee being the father and that being what Baez is talking about when he says we will have an "oh I see" moment is making alot of sense to me...I still don't think it makes her any less disgusting, or any less guilty...that goes for the rest of them too..

I HATE THEM ALL!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 08:00:54 PM
That is a whole new story.....  (what AZ Lady said)  that Baez is comforting Casey because her brother had sex with her and her mom made her keep the baby.  Then both parents would be mad at Lee, but still why say Caylee is alive?????
Caylee being alive is the ultimate exoneration.  They'll have to give it up soon.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: WillenFan21 on October 24, 2008, 08:01:06 PM
DAMN IT!!!! Why is it whenever things are released Nancy is never around?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 08:01:19 PM
::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::????????

Always ... please share.

Hugs

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 08:01:35 PM
Everyone's comments here are speculation and discussion, and this should be understood by all participants.  As I tell my students, argumentation is NOT INTENDED to determine who is right or wrong, but to RESULT in increased understanding.  We can hotly disagree, but it's not a contest with a winner and a loser.  It's a race for more understanding.

Well said AZLady.

Hey ... are you a teacher?

Janet
Yup.  I've taught for 25 years.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 08:01:37 PM
::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::????????

Always1 - What's wrong?  ::MonkeyEek::
Sorry, no one was talking to me.  I need your hug from Dana.

Awww.....Here you go (http://bestsmileys.com/hugging/1.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 08:03:06 PM
::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::????????

Always ... please share.

Hugs

Janet
Sorry I was just venting because I asked if it is possible for someone to shake a toddler and they would die.  I know it is possible to shake an infant and kill it.  Anyway, no one answered......


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 08:03:23 PM
Going to watch NG's stand-in.  Later.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 08:03:24 PM
Anyway it comes out,I don't see a jury letting Casey off.We musn't forget the constant lying factor and the lack of cooperation in finding this little girl.The defense may very well try it but I don't see it happening if this is even the case which for the record,I don't believe it is.If it is the case,she will still do time and plenty of it somewhere,either in prison or a padded room but she will do time.Her life is ruined on all accounts as far as I'm concerned..This trial will be about the intentional death of a little girl named Caylee whose voice  was silenced by a sociopath which unfortunatly was her mother.Casey had the option of handing Caylee over to her parents and going on with her beautiful life but being a "spiteful bitch",couldn't see clear to do it and therefore killed her.I see the jury bawling now... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 08:04:07 PM
::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::????????

Always1 - What's wrong?  ::MonkeyEek::
Sorry, no one was talking to me.  I need your hug from Dana.

Awww.....Here you go (http://bestsmileys.com/hugging/1.gif)
Thank you,......wait, are you sure that;s the one Dana gave you????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 24, 2008, 08:04:34 PM
CSITech, I was wondering and this is a "none of my business questions" but do you have a background in CSI, police work, etc????


I went to college and hold a degree. I have not worked in the field yet because of a medical issue but I love talking about forensics and I am very knowledgeable and have a lot to offer if people have questions I can answer. I also majored in psychology so I am going to choose a job where I can use both of those topics.



Practical experience is 80% of where the real knowledge comes from, for those who work as a CSI. And yes...I've worked crime scenes before. I personally thought you didn't have any real field experience, based on some of your posts.

 This is NOT meant to be rude, or condescending....but one would be shown in a better "light", if they were more humble in their knowledge prior to stating unknown facts that have not been proven.

I too, know my limitations, and try to post accordingly.

((of course...this is just my opinion))






Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 08:04:56 PM
::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::????????

Always ... please share.

Hugs

Janet
Sorry I was just venting because I asked if it is possible for someone to shake a toddler and they would die.  I know it is possible to shake an infant and kill it.  Anyway, no one answered......
Always, yes, it is possible and will do great harm. 
http://www.dontshake.com/Audience.aspx?categoryID=9&PageName=ConsequencesOfShaking.htm


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 08:05:29 PM
Hello All,

   Wonder if it's possible that Caylee's father is a prisioner and his DNA is on file.  That's the only other reasonable explanation I can think of for the A's not wanting him involved and LE having his DNA.  Maybe a sexual offender.  Other than that it seems a family memeber is likely under the circumstances. 

   Just throwing something else out there.   

I haven't ruled out anything, even the possibility that they have no idea who the father is.


This is pretty much where I am on the who's the daddy situation...
AZSunny's post about Lee being the father and that being what Baez is talking about when he says we will have an "oh I see" moment is making alot of sense to me...I still don't think it makes her any less disgusting, or any less guilty...that goes for the rest of them too..

I HATE THEM ALL!!!!


Sorry...meant AZLady...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 24, 2008, 08:06:14 PM
Just a suggestion.....when reading posts made 3 or 4 hours earlier, please try not to reply unless it's absolutely necessary.  I feel the temptation often, but know that if I'm 20 - 30 pages behind, the question has been answered, a detail has been added, etc.  If there's a monkey battle brewing, let it ride....it has already been dealt with or has fizzled out....no point in fueling it again.

OK...thanks.......back to our regularly scheduled program.
    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: VinceVixen on October 24, 2008, 08:06:27 PM
Can someone give me the link to that dating website Casey was subscribed to? Interested in reading the movies she enjoyed again... Thanks


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: CuriousCat on October 24, 2008, 08:07:00 PM

I'd have to say that Lee was spending that time trying to erase info on the computer.
So did Lee also pick up Casey's cell phone?
No.  Detectives went to Tony's and picked up her cell phone earlier.
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Lee went to Tony's before LE arrived. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 08:07:00 PM

Sorry...meant AZLady...

No problem, Cubbee.  I wonder where AZSunny is these days.  She hasn't been here in a while.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 08:07:23 PM
::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::????????

Always1 - What's wrong?  ::MonkeyEek::
Sorry, no one was talking to me.  I need your hug from Dana.

Awww.....Here you go (http://bestsmileys.com/hugging/1.gif)
Thank you,......wait, are you sure that;s the one Dana gave you????

But of course, dahling! Would someone with THIS face lie?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 24, 2008, 08:07:27 PM
I dreamed that Casey shook Caylee like a rag doll and she died.  Is that possible?  I know you can shake an infant and they can die, but what about a toddler???

Always, two posts before yours I said:
I think Casey killed Caylee possibly by accident in the home. I am still undecided on the method. My "gut" tells me she was still in a rage from the fight the night before and Caylee probably did some small thing, like pottied her pants, broke something etc, and Casey completely lost it.  She either hit her with something or shook her to death.

So yes I think it is possible. Sorry, I didn't respond! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 08:07:33 PM
::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::????????

Always ... please share.

Hugs

Janet
Sorry I was just venting because I asked if it is possible for someone to shake a toddler and they would die.  I know it is possible to shake an infant and kill it.  Anyway, no one answered......
Always, yes, it is possible and will do great harm. 
http://www.dontshake.com/Audience.aspx?categoryID=9&PageName=ConsequencesOfShaking.htm
Thank you.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 08:08:54 PM
In fact, I wonder if LE will find some way to leak the results of Caylee's paternity to defang Baez's defense, in a way.  This is a double-edged sword.  The prosecution needs to find a relevance for introducing Caylee's paternity into the case before it goes to trial so as to de-sensitize the jury pool to the defense's shocking revelation in the court room.  Perhaps instead of finding relevance, the best way to deal with the issue is to "leak" it through the media.




Ya know AZ, this could be the reason why Lee has been MIA.  He might know that Baez is planning to use psychological effects from incest as a basis for Casey's defense which means that he will be the bad guy.  Lee may or may not have initiated the activity between he and Casey, but he is likely looking at being publicly blamed.  Casey is a very disturbed sociopath and I can see her entrapping her brother.  As a narcissist, she craves center stage and how else to get your brother's attention than by seducing him.  It could very easily have been a case of sexual control and manipulation on Casey's part.  She certainly is promiscuous.  Heaven knows, she's a master of manipulation in lots of other areas.  It could also have been initiated by Lee, though, too.  It's interesting that Lee hasn't been charged with incest, if he is the father, but LE could be saving that bomb until incest is brought out in the trial.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 24, 2008, 08:09:04 PM

Sorry...meant AZLady...

No problem, Cubbee.  I wonder where AZSunny is these days.  She hasn't been here in a while.

AZSunny has been on recently....just not as often. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 08:09:26 PM
::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::????????

Always1 - What's wrong?  ::MonkeyEek::
Sorry, no one was talking to me.  I need your hug from Dana.
No!

Awww.....Here you go (http://bestsmileys.com/hugging/1.gif)
Thank you,......wait, are you sure that;s the one Dana gave you????

But of course, dahling! Would someone with THIS face lie?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 08:09:33 PM
Geez, I can't stand Kobi.  He's talking through his hat about DNA.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Justice0 on October 24, 2008, 08:09:58 PM
So they pretty much should have the time of death right.


She killed her on the 15th at night i think she borrowed the shovel on the 18th that would be 2.6 days!!

I think she put her in the trunk that night she chloroformed her put her in trunk and she died when she began to smell she buried her!
Is she only had the shovel for an hour she has to be close to the house. did they ever dig in that backyard? What if she is their that is where the dogs hit, They need to dig that yard up and under the pool maybe they have a crawl space under that house


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:10:38 PM
I dreamed that Casey shook Caylee like a rag doll and she died.  Is that possible?  I know you can shake an infant and they can die, but what about a toddler???

Always, two posts before yours I said:
I think Casey killed Caylee possibly by accident in the home. I am still undecided on the method. My "gut" tells me she was still in a rage from the fight the night before and Caylee probably did some small thing, like pottied her pants, broke something etc, and Casey completely lost it.  She either hit her with something or shook her to death.

So yes I think it is possible. Sorry, I didn't respond! 

I think we will never know, unless the body is found and tells that tale.  But I don't think LE needs to know, to make a case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 08:11:30 PM
In fact, I wonder if LE will find some way to leak the results of Caylee's paternity to defang Baez's defense, in a way.  This is a double-edged sword.  The prosecution needs to find a relevance for introducing Caylee's paternity into the case before it goes to trial so as to de-sensitize the jury pool to the defense's shocking revelation in the court room.  Perhaps instead of finding relevance, the best way to deal with the issue is to "leak" it through the media.




Ya know AZ, this could be the reason why Lee has been MIA.  He might know that Baez is planning to use psychological effects from incest as a basis for Casey's defense which means that he will be the bad guy.  Lee may or may not have initiated the activity between he and Casey, but he is likely looking at being publicly blamed.  Casey is a very disturbed sociopath and I can see her entrapping her brother.  As a narcissist, she craves center stage and how else to get your brother's attention than by seducing him.  It could very easily have been a case of sexual control and manipulation on Casey's part.  She certainly is promiscuous.  Heaven knows, she's a master of manipulation in lots of other areas.  It could also have been initiated by Lee, though, too.  It's interesting that Lee hasn't been charged with incest, if he is the father, but LE could be saving that bomb until incest is brought out in the trial.

I think this is the plan--to throw Lee under the bus as the bad guy--and that is part of the distress Cindy and George are feeling.  They are certainly caught between a rock and a hard place, in a way.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 24, 2008, 08:11:37 PM
The argument on this missing child's thread needs to stop right now.  I stepped away and came back and see this.  Right now I don't know whom did what and will read back, but EVERYONE:  STOP IT RIGHT NOW.  WARNING!!

SORRY!! I had made posts prior to reading this warning. Again...if I had read this post first, I would not of made them.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 24, 2008, 08:13:23 PM
Goodnight sweet monkeys!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/43goingtobed-1.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:13:58 PM
Goodnight sweet monkeys!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/43goingtobed-1.gif)

g'nite tater


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 08:13:59 PM
Goodnight sweet monkeys!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/43goingtobed-1.gif)
Nite Tater!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 08:14:03 PM

Ok since so many people think Lee is Caylees father (I do not think he is) what if he is?  Will he be arrested...will additional charges be brought up against Casey?  If George and Cindy knew would they be charged with something...ohhh the questions and where are the answers!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 08:14:10 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...


That proves that what I said is true to those of you that don't believe what I said. Who told us that caylees body was in the car for 11 days? Proves my point and I am right.


Because this "point" of yours was not concussively yours....I'm assuming you meant that you...and others, who thought this as well.

Colt..I posted early this morning to Thank you and your wife for volunteering with TES.....our prayers will be all of you...not only to find Caylee but for y'alls safety.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 08:15:12 PM
Geez, I can't stand Kobi.  He's talking through his hat about DNA.

He has to take it to the absolute limit!  He always has to throw doubt when it's unlikely.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 08:15:43 PM
Hi Monkeys.  I've spent the better part of the afternoon reading and catching up.  I think many are not aware of just how often sibling incest occurs.  It is the dark secret in many families.  It does occur FIVE times more often than other relational incest.  While birth defects are common in children born of incest, Caylee obviously did not suffer from this.  Not all children of incest have genetic mutations.  In fact, the MAJORITY are born perfectly normal.  However, genetic mutations occur with a greater frequency than in normal populations.  I posted some research on all this a few weeks ago, so if anyone is interested, you can search my posts. 

I think it is quite possible Lee is Caylee's father, as repulsive as that seems to us.  Other monkeys have posted the inconsistencies in the family's comments about paternity, the other indications that make many think this is the secret this family is protecting.

My concern is that Baez will use this as a defensive strategy, claiming Casey is a "victim" (as Cindy likes to remind us) of her brother's sexual assault.  This is really more of a concern to me than any insanity defense which would never fly in court.  I'm afraid a jury would be sympathetic to this woman if Baez attempts to show she was repeatedly sexually assaulted by her brother and "forced" to bear his child.  I have read some of the psychological research that indicates women can be the aggressors in sibling incest, but usually if the male is elder, this is not the case.  I really think this is a serious concern and what Baez was talking about when he said we would understand when they get a chance to tell their story.

... but Casey Anthony was nineteen years old when Caylee was born ... she was not a child who could not defend herself against sexually advances by anybody.

In the 911 Calls ... she is tell Lee that she loves him.  It reminded me of the first time my eldest son talked to our daughte on the phoner when she went away to University in Virginia after high school graduation.  It was the first time I had ever heard him tell his sister he loved her.  It was just "love ya too" when he hung up but ... I felt a warm and fuzzy.

Janet

______


Transcript of phone call between Casey and Lee Anthony on July 26th 
 
Last Edited: Monday, 28 Jul 2008, 9:02 PM EDT 
Created: Monday, 28 Jul 2008, 9:02 PM EDT




IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 08:17:56 PM
CSITech, I was wondering and this is a "none of my business questions" but do you have a background in CSI, police work, etc????


I went to college and hold a degree. I have not worked in the field yet because of a medical issue but I love talking about forensics and I am very knowledgeable and have a lot to offer if people have questions I can answer. I also majored in psychology so I am going to choose a job where I can use both of those topics.



Practical experience is 80% of where the real knowledge comes from, for those who work as a CSI. And yes...I've worked crime scenes before. I personally thought you didn't have any real field experience, based on some of your posts.

 This is NOT meant to be rude, or condescending....but one would be shown in a better "light", if they were more humble in their knowledge prior to stating unknown facts that have not been proven.

I too, know my limitations, and try to post accordingly.

((of course...this is just my opinion))







I will only say this one time and ONE TIME ONLY. Hudsunn, when she said what she said, thought I was talking about evidence. I corrected her after the post. She thought I was saying something that I was not. You have a right to your opinion but there are alot here to that I can say the same about. I am highly intelligent and I really don't care what anyone else thinks about me. Can you all please move past this. Its like beating a dead horse. People read things and think something other than what the poster meant all the time... This is what happened. I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT EVIDENCE IN THAT POST. I was simply saying that something I said, people did not believe me and then it was proven. This thing that happened was not evidence. I will not speak of this anymore. Please move on. I am tired of getting attacked here.

STOP IT.  THIS IS OLD TERRITORY.  I WARNED EVERYONE EARLIER AND I PRESUMED IT WAS FINISHED.  APPARENTLY NOT.  DROP IT!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 08:17:59 PM
Just a suggestion.....when reading posts made 3 or 4 hours earlier, please try not to reply unless it's absolutely necessary.  I feel the temptation often, but know that if I'm 20 - 30 pages behind, the question has been answered, a detail has been added, etc.  If there's a monkey battle brewing, let it ride....it has already been dealt with or has fizzled out....no point in fueling it again.

OK...thanks.......back to our regularly scheduled program.
    ::MonkeyCool::

 :thumleft:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 24, 2008, 08:18:06 PM
Tater, most jurors will  not have to get far beyond the fact that Casey admitted her child had been gone for 31 DAYS and she did not report it to anyone and managed to shop, party and live a "normal" life during that time.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 08:18:08 PM
Hi Monkeys.  I've spent the better part of the afternoon reading and catching up.  I think many are not aware of just how often sibling incest occurs.  It is the dark secret in many families.  It does occur FIVE times more often than other relational incest.  While birth defects are common in children born of incest, Caylee obviously did not suffer from this.  Not all children of incest have genetic mutations.  In fact, the MAJORITY are born perfectly normal.  However, genetic mutations occur with a greater frequency than in normal populations.  I posted some research on all this a few weeks ago, so if anyone is interested, you can search my posts. 

I think it is quite possible Lee is Caylee's father, as repulsive as that seems to us.  Other monkeys have posted the inconsistencies in the family's comments about paternity, the other indications that make many think this is the secret this family is protecting.

My concern is that Baez will use this as a defensive strategy, claiming Casey is a "victim" (as Cindy likes to remind us) of her brother's sexual assault.  This is really more of a concern to me than any insanity defense which would never fly in court.  I'm afraid a jury would be sympathetic to this woman if Baez attempts to show she was repeatedly sexually assaulted by her brother and "forced" to bear his child.  I have read some of the psychological research that indicates women can be the aggressors in sibling incest, but usually if the male is elder, this is not the case.  I really think this is a serious concern and what Baez was talking about when he said we would understand when they get a chance to tell their story.

... but Casey Anthony was nineteen years old when Caylee was born ... she was not a child who could not defend herself against sexually advances by anybody.

In the 911 Calls ... she is tell Lee that she loves him.  It reminded me of the first time my eldest son talked to our daughte on the phoner when she went away to University in Virginia after high school graduation.  It was the first time I had ever heard him tell his sister he loved her.  It was just "love ya too" when he hung up but ... I felt a warm and fuzzy.

Janet

______


Transcript of phone call between Casey and Lee Anthony on July 26th 
 Last Edited: Monday, 28 Jul 2008, 9:02 PM EDT 
Created: Monday, 28 Jul 2008, 9:02 PM EDT


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=21DE3E6B3C085CB76FE68650E615279C?contentId=7082866&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1


BUMPED


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 08:18:32 PM
::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::????????

Always1 - What's wrong?  ::MonkeyEek::
Sorry, no one was talking to me.  I need your hug from Dana.

if everyone cried when no one was talking to them ...we'd have a whole forum of cry babies from time to time...put on your big girl panties ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 08:19:59 PM
So they pretty much should have the time of death right.


She killed her on the 15th at night i think she borrowed the shovel on the 18th that would be 2.6 days!!

I think she put her in the trunk that night she chloroformed her put her in trunk and she died when she began to smell she buried her!
Is she only had the shovel for an hour she has to be close to the house. did they ever dig in that backyard? What if she is their that is where the dogs hit, They need to dig that yard up and under the pool maybe they have a crawl space under that house




Somewhere, there is a link to photographs that were taken during the LE search of the backyard.  They went over everything pretty well and they identified the area where the dogs hit.  Does anyone have the link to those photographs?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kristen1977 on October 24, 2008, 08:21:38 PM
Just a suggestion.....when reading posts made 3 or 4 hours earlier, please try not to reply unless it's absolutely necessary.  I feel the temptation often, but know that if I'm 20 - 30 pages behind, the question has been answered, a detail has been added, etc.  If there's a monkey battle brewing, let it ride....it has already been dealt with or has fizzled out....no point in fueling it again.

OK...thanks.......back to our regularly scheduled program.
    ::MonkeyCool::

 :thumleft:


AMEN.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 08:23:29 PM

Ok since so many people think Lee is Caylees father (I do not think he is) what if he is?  Will he be arrested...will additional charges be brought up against Casey?  If George and Cindy knew would they be charged with something...ohhh the questions and where are the answers!
While sibling incest is a crime, it is seldom prosecuted.  Generally, family services assesses and recommends treatment and/or other options.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:24:04 PM
Not to beat a dead horse any more, but, Rob over on the LP forum says that the evidence in the trunk suggests more than 11 days.

I personally feel that Caylee was in the trunk from June 18th (the day that she borrowed the shovel and the car was backed into the garage) until June 27th (the day that pings place her in wooded areas). 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 08:24:05 PM

Ok since so many people think Lee is Caylees father (I do not think he is) what if he is?  Will he be arrested...will additional charges be brought up against Casey?  If George and Cindy knew would they be charged with something...ohhh the questions and where are the answers!

WAAA!  No one answered my post!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: San on October 24, 2008, 08:24:14 PM
WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A NIGHT OF ATTACKS.  IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH A POSTER JUST SCROLL PAST THE POST.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 08:24:50 PM
Geez, I can't stand Kobi.  He's talking through his hat about DNA.

I can't stomach him...I am going to pass on NG tonight casue I know if there is anything important said I can read it right here!  YEA MONKEYS!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 08:25:39 PM
Boy oh boy!!  Kobi is doing his best to refute that evidence. LOL  I sure hope he's getting a big pay check from the prosecution...they are wasting their money with him...he's not doing too well convincing me.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 24, 2008, 08:26:12 PM

Ok since so many people think Lee is Caylees father (I do not think he is) what if he is?  Will he be arrested...will additional charges be brought up against Casey?  If George and Cindy knew would they be charged with something...ohhh the questions and where are the answers!
While sibling incest is a crime, it is seldom prosecuted.  Generally, family services assesses and recommends treatment and/or other options.

I think it's only if the parties are minors, yes?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 08:26:29 PM
SIBLING INCEST AND GUIDELINES FOR FAMILY TREATMENT
http://www.uic.edu/classes/socw/socw517/siblingincestbrunnette.htm


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 08:26:33 PM
Geez, I can't stand Kobi.  He's talking through his hat about DNA.

I can't stomach him...I am going to pass on NG tonight casue I know if there is anything important said I can read it right here!  YEA MONKEYS!!

An excellent strategy, in my opinion.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:26:35 PM
WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A NIGHT OF ATTACKS.  IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH A POSTER JUST SCROLL PAST THE POST.

Do you not think it possible that people who disagree can have an intellectual interchange that is not an attack ?  (just asking.... obviously some people can't, but most of us do ok with it.)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 08:27:04 PM
So they pretty much should have the time of death right.


She killed her on the 15th at night i think she borrowed the shovel on the 18th that would be 2.6 days!!

I think she put her in the trunk that night she chloroformed her put her in trunk and she died when she began to smell she buried her!
Is she only had the shovel for an hour she has to be close to the house. did they ever dig in that backyard? What if she is their that is where the dogs hit, They need to dig that yard up and under the pool maybe they have a crawl space under that house

Somewhere, there is a link to photographs that were taken during the LE search of the backyard.  They went over everything pretty well and they identified the area where the dogs hit.  Does anyone have the link to those photographs?

PHOTOS

Investigators search the backyard of home where 2-year-old Caylee Anthony lived.
July 18, 2008


http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/071808cayleehomesearch/1/lg/071808searchathome12.htm


Family of Missing Toddler Caylee Anthony Mum on TV Reports of New Concrete Slab in Yard
Thursday, July 24, 2008


The family of an Orlando toddler missing for more than a month won't answer questions about a tip that a new concrete slab was poured in the grandparents' backyard over July 4 weekend, shortly before they reported the child missing.

Caylee Marie Anthony's grandmother would neither confirm nor deny the tip about the fresh concrete received by local WFTV Eyewitness News in Orlando, according to the station.

Orange County Sheriff's detectives said they didn't know anything about the reported addition to the property, which they searched last week with cadaver dogs. The toddler was reported missing last week.

"We do yard work around our house all the time and our yard has been completely looked at," Cindy Anthony told WFTV Thursday morning. "I feel very confident. The sheriff's office knows everything that we've done in that yard over the last year. We've disclosed everything. If they had any concerns, I would think they would have followed up on it already."

Orange County, Fla., sheriff's detectives told FOX News they weren't aware of a recently-poured block of concrete.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,390054,00.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 08:27:09 PM
Goodnight sweet monkeys!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/43goingtobed-1.gif)

Good Night Taters..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 08:27:09 PM
Are they gonna claim it was a dead monkey in the trunk??   Sorry guys ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Justice0 on October 24, 2008, 08:27:10 PM
So they pretty much should have the time of death right.


She killed her on the 15th at night i think she borrowed the shovel on the 18th that would be 2.6 days!!

I think she put her in the trunk that night she chloroformed her put her in trunk and she died when she began to smell she buried her!
Is she only had the shovel for an hour she has to be close to the house. did they ever dig in that backyard? What if she is their that is where the dogs hit, They need to dig that yard up and under the pool maybe they have a crawl space under that house




Somewhere, there is a link to photographs that were taken during the LE search of the backyard.  They went over everything pretty well and they identified the area where the dogs hit.  Does anyone have the link to those photographs?

Yes I no I have seen them all..But did they check under pool under house? maybe there is a reason they have not maintained pool.I dont know but maybe that dad she is close thing is true..Too close and where nobody has really searched in the house..I am sure they have access to a crawl space that goes under that house she could have dug there


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 08:27:14 PM

Ok since so many people think Lee is Caylees father (I do not think he is) what if he is?  Will he be arrested...will additional charges be brought up against Casey?  If George and Cindy knew would they be charged with something...ohhh the questions and where are the answers!
While sibling incest is a crime, it is seldom prosecuted.  Generally, family services assesses and recommends treatment and/or other options.

I think it's only if the parties are minors, yes?

Yes would of been at leat 21...uuugghhhh!!! I cant even think of it!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 24, 2008, 08:27:18 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...


That proves that what I said is true to those of you that don't believe what I said. Who told us that caylees body was in the car for 11 days? Proves my point and I am right.


Because this "point" of yours was not concussively yours....I'm assuming you meant that you...and others, who thought this as well.

Colt..I posted early this morning to Thank you and your wife for volunteering with TES.....our prayers will be all of you...not only to find Caylee but for y'alls safety.


Thanks! I really appreciate that. Personal safety for all of those who will be searching, will be the #1 concern.

Chuck


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 08:28:25 PM
TexasBarMom ~  Of course they can.  That isn't what San is saying.  There has been way too much sniping and attacking on this forum today and it's bubbled up again a bit tonight and it won't be tolerated.  What was going on was far from intellectual, imo.  Not when it falls into name calling and calling out posters etc.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 08:28:28 PM
A minister visted Casey in Jail!  She better repent and fast, IMO.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 24, 2008, 08:29:35 PM
Even if there were no fingerprints and the hair was inconclusive on the shovel from the neighbor, they still have Red's shovel found during a TES search!  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:30:30 PM
TexasBarMom ~  Of course they can.  That isn't what San is saying.  There has been way too much sniping and attacking on this forum today and it's bubbled up again a bit tonight and it won't be tolerated.  What was going on was far from intellectual, imo.  Not when it falls into name calling and calling out posters etc.

sorry, i've been "in and out" today so haven't caught every single post... didn't see any name-calling  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 08:30:33 PM
A minister visted Casey in Jail!  She better repent and fast, IMO.

To bad it wasnt a catholic preist and they were pretending the cell was a confession booth.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 24, 2008, 08:30:53 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...


That proves that what I said is true to those of you that don't believe what I said. Who told us that caylees body was in the car for 11 days? Proves my point and I am right.


Because this "point" of yours was not concussively yours....I'm assuming you meant that you...and others, who thought this as well.

Colt..I posted early this morning to Thank you and your wife for volunteering with TES.....our prayers will be all of you...not only to find Caylee but for y'alls safety.


Thanks! I really appreciate that. Personal safety for all of those who will be searching, will be the #1 concern.

Chuck

Thank You again Clolt ,for helping TES tomorrow and please keep us posted if you can.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Brandi on October 24, 2008, 08:31:50 PM
Boy oh boy!!  Kobi is doing his best to refute that evidence. LOL  I sure hope he's getting a big pay check from the prosecution...they are wasting their money with him...he's not doing too well convincing me.

I believe that the defense team (Baez) hired Kobi. Not the prosecution.

Am I right, monkeys?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:32:30 PM
Boy oh boy!!  Kobi is doing his best to refute that evidence. LOL  I sure hope he's getting a big pay check from the prosecution...they are wasting their money with him...he's not doing too well convincing me.

I believe that the defense team (Baez) hired Kobi. Not the prosecution.

Am I right, monkeys?

yup


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 08:32:59 PM
I suppose it depends on what she did with the body as to how long you can drive around with it in the trunk.  I would think if you placed the body in a container of some kind you would be able to do that.  Remember when Casey and Amy had the discussion about the odor in the car?  Caylee could have been in the car a lot longer than we think. 

Another possibility could easily be that she buried her within...let's say...2 days of her death and then dug her up and placed her in a container.  That leads me back to the gas cans in the car again...the reason she did not want George to go near that car was one of two reasons...

Caylee was still in the trunk in the container.
OR
The odor was still there because she did not have her in a container that was semi air tight and the smell was there.

I am voting for the latter since the odor was prevalent to so many people.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 08:33:15 PM
WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A NIGHT OF ATTACKS.  IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH A POSTER JUST SCROLL PAST THE POST.

Bless you, San!  :smt058

That's some of the best advice I've ever seen.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 08:33:50 PM
TexasBarMom ~  Of course they can.  That isn't what San is saying.  There has been way too much sniping and attacking on this forum today and it's bubbled up again a bit tonight and it won't be tolerated.  What was going on was far from intellectual, imo.  Not when it falls into name calling and calling out posters etc.

sorry, i've been "in and out" today so haven't caught every single post... didn't see any name-calling  ::MonkeyConfused::

It required some deletion and clean up and so you missed it.  San has been moderating a long time, and is pretty patient.  Posters should pay heed when she posts in big red letters...jmo.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 08:33:53 PM
Boy oh boy!!  Kobi is doing his best to refute that evidence. LOL  I sure hope he's getting a big pay check from the prosecution...they are wasting their money with him...he's not doing too well convincing me.

I believe that the defense team (Baez) hired Kobi. Not the prosecution.

Am I right, monkeys?



I am sorry I meant the defense...I screwed that up big time...someone help...fix me!!!  Please. Thanks.  ::MonkeyShocked::
yup


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MisterMichaelJ on October 24, 2008, 08:34:05 PM
So incest is the only possible motive for murder??? I disagree. Maybe she did not intend for the child to die... just meant to knock her out and it backfired. Also, wanting the freedom to party and live her life without the encumberance of a child could be a motive. There are many possibilities for a motive. We've had several child murders around here, and NONE of them involved incest.
And I did not say Cindy KNEW this... I said IF she knew, big difference.


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TxLady, "No," incest is not the only possible motive for murder (here) This extremely high-profile case gave us tons of info, tho, and we can process elimination. The only other motive besides that (in THIS case) that I can fathom, for murder, is that Caylee has physical evidence on her body that could serious implicate people....kapeesh? There is NO WAY on God's green Earth that Casey just got pissed at having a 'ball-n-chain' that cramped her slut life! I don't buy it. It was WAY too easy for Casey to just drop Caylee off to her parents: period!!  It's much deeeper than killing for inconvenience.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 08:34:11 PM
Boy oh boy!!  Kobi is doing his best to refute that evidence. LOL  I sure hope he's getting a big pay check from the prosecution...they are wasting their money with him...he's not doing too well convincing me.

I believe that the defense team (Baez) hired Kobi. Not the prosecution.

Am I right, monkeys?

Correct.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:34:23 PM
I suppose it depends on what she did with the body as to how long you can drive around with it in the trunk.  I would think if you placed the body in a container of some kind you would be able to do that.  Remember when Casey and Amy had the discussion about the odor in the car?  Caylee could have been in the car a lot longer than we think. 

Another possibility could easily be that she buried her within...let's say...2 days of her death and then dug her up and placed her in a container.  That leads me back to the gas cans in the car again...the reason she did not want George to go near that car was one of two reasons...

Caylee was still in the trunk in the container.
OR
The odor was still there because she did not have her in a container that was semi air tight and the smell was there.

I am voting for the latter since the odor was prevalent to so many people.

I think Caylee was still in the car, in a leaky plastic bag. jmo.  Another fact that we may never really know the truth about.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 08:34:44 PM
Boy oh boy!!  Kobi is doing his best to refute that evidence. LOL  I sure hope he's getting a big pay check from the prosecution...they are wasting their money with him...he's not doing too well convincing me.

I believe that the defense team (Baez) hired Kobi. Not the prosecution.

Am I right, monkeys?
Hi, where is you kitty with the pretty eyes???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 08:34:55 PM
LP saying Casey bought a cross for Caylee after she went missing.  Was that the JCP purchase?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 08:35:14 PM
Well poop!  I give up I can't even ask for a fix up without messing that up too. Gosh!! I am embarrassed now. :roll:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: San on October 24, 2008, 08:35:16 PM
WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A NIGHT OF ATTACKS.  IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH A POSTER JUST SCROLL PAST THE POST.

Do you not think it possible that people who disagree can have an intellectual interchange that is not an attack?  (just asking.... obviously some people can't, but most of us do ok with it.)

Of course you can have a disagreement with another poster and be civil.

A poster said they weren't going to discuss what they said anymore because they felt they were being attacked.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 08:35:29 PM
Boy oh boy!!  Kobi is doing his best to refute that evidence. LOL  I sure hope he's getting a big pay check from the prosecution...they are wasting their money with him...he's not doing too well convincing me.

I believe that the defense team (Baez) hired Kobi. Not the prosecution.

Am I right, monkeys?

I took Lala'sMom as meaning that Kobi is doing such a lousy job for the defence at refuting the forensic evidence ... he must be being paid by the prosecutor.

I don't know.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 08:35:39 PM
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Colt..I posted early this morning to Thank you and your wife for volunteering with TES.....our prayers will be all of you...not only to find Caylee but for y'alls safety.


Thanks! I really appreciate that. Personal safety for all of those who will be searching, will be the #1 concern.

Chuck

It always is..you should have seen the 'seasoned' searchers on my first search help me take that first step (and dang nearly every step for the first hour or so) into dense woods, assuring me every step of the way that it was too cold for snakes to be out...how I was praying that the SNAKES KNEW THAT!  Well one didn't know it...the idiot  ::MonkeyNoNo::and our group nearly walked right up to it...fortunately one of the 'old timers' saw it first and walked us around it....believe me my feet would never have touched to ground on my way out!! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:36:10 PM
Prosecutor's case, in a nutshell -
Casey Anthony – high school dropout, unwed and pregnant at 19 (possibly by her brother, no one has denied this as of yet…)
Has told various differing stories about who is Caylee’s father,
Known as a “diabolical liar” by her friends,
Pretended for nearly 2 years to have a job when she really did not have one,
Stole thousands of $$ from her grandparents savings,
Spent thousands of $$ on her mother’s credit cards,
Known to be very promiscuous,
By most accounts seemed to love her daughter, although (according to brother) her mother Cindy says she was a bad mother, Caylee a mistake, etc etc etc.
Claims to have a xanax connection (Annie),
Researching how to make chloroform as early as May 2008,
Researching missing child websites,
Telling people that Caylee was “with the nanny” as early as May 2008 although not one friend or family member has ever met or even seen said nanny (Caylee possibly drugged in trunk of car?),
Known to take Caylee to “adult” parties and nightclubs, and chastised by her friends for doing so,
Cindy threatening to take custody of Caylee?
Cindy and George actually seeing counselor regarding getting custody of Caylee?
Has fight with mother over stealing from grandparents and generally being a shitty mother, Cindy choked her and there was a lot of screaming (this according to Lee and neighbors),
Immediately after the fight, wants to visit boyfriend but boyfriend says “don’t bring the kid”,
(do we know where she actually spent the night on June 15th?  George says he saw C&C at 1pm on the 16th – LAST REPORTED SIGHTING OF CAYLEE).
No reported sightings of Caylee after June 16th.
Casey having nightmares during the following week,
Casey borrows shovel on June 18th and backs car into garage. 
Caylee steals best friend’s checkbook and shops at target, buys nothing for Caylee.
Caylee returns home and doesn’t get supplies for Caylee.
Caylee buys a ________________ at JCP on June 27th (LE will fill in that blank).
Car smells of dead body.
Cindy tells 911 operator that car smells of dead body.
Cindy asks Casey “what have you done?!”
Casey tells a string of the most ridiculous lies to LE, and sticks to them !

Now if you’re not yet sold,

Evidence compiled by the FBI says “Caylee is dead and was in trunk of car”.


Do we really need a body ?


Anybody ?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 08:36:10 PM
A minister visted Casey in Jail!  She better repent and fast, IMO.

I was thinking earlier today about Casey spending so much time alone in her jail cell without much of anything to distract her. It made me wonder if all that solitude would force her to finally face what she had done. I hope it does, then maybe she'll tell the truth for a change. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 08:36:18 PM
Boy oh boy!!  Kobi is doing his best to refute that evidence. LOL  I sure hope he's getting a big pay check from the prosecution...they are wasting their money with him...he's not doing too well convincing me.

I believe that the defense team (Baez) hired Kobi. Not the prosecution.

Am I right, monkeys?

Correct.

I said I was sorry...I meant the defense.  I was thinking about the prosecution.  Sorry, sorry..sorry. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 24, 2008, 08:36:52 PM
YES! someone on NG finally asks about the maggots!!!   ::cartwheel::  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 08:37:19 PM
Well poop!  I give up I can't even ask for a fix up without messing that up too. Gosh!! I am embarrassed now. :roll:

Smooches to Lalas  :smt058


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Brandi on October 24, 2008, 08:37:21 PM
Boy oh boy!!  Kobi is doing his best to refute that evidence. LOL  I sure hope he's getting a big pay check from the prosecution...they are wasting their money with him...he's not doing too well convincing me.

I believe that the defense team (Baez) hired Kobi. Not the prosecution.

Am I right, monkeys?
Hi, where is you kitty with the pretty eyes???

Hey always 1 ... I retired it for a bit. I still have it, don't worry!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 08:37:27 PM
Boy oh boy!!  Kobi is doing his best to refute that evidence. LOL  I sure hope he's getting a big pay check from the prosecution...they are wasting their money with him...he's not doing too well convincing me.

I believe that the defense team (Baez) hired Kobi. Not the prosecution.

Am I right, monkeys?

I took Lala'sMom as meaning that Kobi is doing such a lousy job for the defence at refuting the forensic evidence ... he must be being paid by the prosecutor.

I don't know.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Hey, that's a great idea...that's what I meant.  LMAO!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 08:37:56 PM

Ok since so many people think Lee is Caylees father (I do not think he is) what if he is?  Will he be arrested...will additional charges be brought up against Casey?  If George and Cindy knew would they be charged with something...ohhh the questions and where are the answers!
While sibling incest is a crime, it is seldom prosecuted.  Generally, family services assesses and recommends treatment and/or other options.



I wonder if Baez will try to portray Casey as suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome as the result of an incestuous assault?  He could turn that trial into a real tear jerking circus.  She has responded to her charge as not guilty, so Baez must have something big up his sleeve.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 08:38:00 PM
I suppose it depends on what she did with the body as to how long you can drive around with it in the trunk.  I would think if you placed the body in a container of some kind you would be able to do that.  Remember when Casey and Amy had the discussion about the odor in the car?  Caylee could have been in the car a lot longer than we think. 

Another possibility could easily be that she buried her within...let's say...2 days of her death and then dug her up and placed her in a container.  That leads me back to the gas cans in the car again...the reason she did not want George to go near that car was one of two reasons...

Caylee was still in the trunk in the container.
OR
The odor was still there because she did not have her in a container that was semi air tight and the smell was there.

I am voting for the latter since the odor was prevalent to so many people.

I think Caylee was still in the car, in a leaky plastic bag. jmo.  Another fact that we may never really know the truth about.

That what I think, I think a plastic container from the parents house would be noticed but a few trash bags wouldnt.  I think the smell lingered after she disposed of the body because of leakage and she dumped the car because of the smell hoping it would be stolen.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 08:38:09 PM
Well poop!  I give up I can't even ask for a fix up without messing that up too. Gosh!! I am embarrassed now. :roll:

Smooches to Lalas  :smt058

You really are a softie.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 08:39:29 PM
A minister visted Casey in Jail!  She better repent and fast, IMO.

I was thinking earlier today about Casey spending so much time alone in her jail cell without much of anything to distract her. It made me wonder if all that solitude would force her to finally face what she had done.  I hope it does, then maybe she'll tell the truth for a change. ::MonkeyNoNo::

That is my sincere prayer BT.  It is just Casey and God.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:39:32 PM
Are ya'll watching NG ?  What are they saying about the maggots ?
(got to add that to my list...)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flamom on October 24, 2008, 08:40:13 PM
I am wondering if the defense might not go for a diminshed capacity defense due to mental illness??  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 24, 2008, 08:40:44 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.


Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...


That proves that what I said is true to those of you that don't believe what I said. Who told us that caylees body was in the car for 11 days? Proves my point and I am right.


Because this "point" of yours was not concussively yours....I'm assuming you meant that you...and others, who thought this as well.

Colt..I posted early this morning to Thank you and your wife for volunteering with TES.....our prayers will be all of you...not only to find Caylee but for y'alls safety.


Thanks! I really appreciate that. Personal safety for all of those who will be searching, will be the #1 concern.

Chuck

Thank You again Clolt ,for helping TES tomorrow and please keep us posted if you can.



I will try to post when I get back from the Team Leader's briefing with TES on the 7th. We live just under an hour away from the search area, so we we be coming back home each day. And I will post a SM briefing here, after each day's search (8th & 9th).


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 08:41:00 PM
If the defense is unable to cross examine the evidence presented in the case by the FBi, will that evidence then be thrown out of the case???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Brandi on October 24, 2008, 08:41:03 PM
Well poop!  I give up I can't even ask for a fix up without messing that up too. Gosh!! I am embarrassed now. :roll:

Smooches to Lalas  :smt058

You really are a softie.  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/I%20am%20sorry/sorry11.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 24, 2008, 08:41:12 PM
Not to beat a dead horse any more, but, Rob over on the LP forum says that the evidence in the trunk suggests more than 11 days.

I personally feel that Caylee was in the trunk from June 18th (the day that she borrowed the shovel and the car was backed into the garage) until June 27th (the day that pings place her in wooded areas). 

I'm not sure that is exactly what he is saying.  I get the impression that he is just pointing to what was said in the original article/post. 

His quote (this is Rob's post in totality, the ..... at the end, is what suggests to me that he is relating back to the original article/post).  Everyone can make up their own minds.

Quote
I have seen the post you are talking about and can not confirm the validity of whoever is posting that information.....most of the things mentioned have not come up before...as far as the first sentence yes there is reason the cadaver dog hit in the backyard and yes there was evidence in the trunk....not sure where the 11 days came from....the evidence in the trunk would have been more days than 11.......


Good Night (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/GizmoBird/Emotions/0666.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 08:41:28 PM
Prosecutor's case, in a nutshell -
Casey Anthony – high school dropout, unwed and pregnant at 19 (possibly by her brother, no one has denied this as of yet…)
Has told various differing stories about who is Caylee’s father,
Known as a “diabolical liar” by her friends,
Pretended for nearly 2 years to have a job when she really did not have one,
Stole thousands of $$ from her grandparents savings,
Spent thousands of $$ on her mother’s credit cards,
Known to be very promiscuous,
By most accounts seemed to love her daughter, although (according to brother) her mother Cindy says she was a bad mother, Caylee a mistake, etc etc etc.
Claims to have a xanax connection (Annie),
Researching how to make chloroform as early as May 2008,
Researching missing child websites,
Telling people that Caylee was “with the nanny” as early as May 2008 although not one friend or family member has ever met or even seen said nanny (Caylee possibly drugged in trunk of car?),
Known to take Caylee to “adult” parties and nightclubs, and chastised by her friends for doing so,
Cindy threatening to take custody of Caylee?
Cindy and George actually seeing counselor regarding getting custody of Caylee?
Has fight with mother over stealing from grandparents and generally being a shitty mother, Cindy choked her and there was a lot of screaming (this according to Lee and neighbors),
Immediately after the fight, wants to visit boyfriend but boyfriend says “don’t bring the kid”,
(do we know where she actually spent the night on June 15th?  George says he saw C&C at 1pm on the 16th – LAST REPORTED SIGHTING OF CAYLEE).
No reported sightings of Caylee after June 16th.
Casey having nightmares during the following week,
Casey borrows shovel on June 18th and backs car into garage. 
Caylee steals best friend’s checkbook and shops at target, buys nothing for Caylee.
Caylee returns home and doesn’t get supplies for Caylee.
Caylee buys a ________________ at JCP on June 27th (LE will fill in that blank).
Car smells of dead body.
Cindy tells 911 operator that car smells of dead body.
Cindy asks Casey “what have you done?!”
Casey tells a string of the most ridiculous lies to LE, and sticks to them !

Now if you’re not yet sold,

Evidence compiled by the FBI says “Caylee is dead and was in trunk of car”.


Do we really need a body ?


Anybody ?

I am sorry I missed your post....No..it would of course be easier with a body...but I really don't the the prosecuter would have gone for Murder 1 without a boy if he didn't think his case was rock solid. What we have seen is just the tip of the iceberg IMO.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mgoblue on October 24, 2008, 08:41:53 PM
I read all the pages that were released today and the only thing I didn't find, is the conclusion I came to long ago:


 Somebody peed in the Anthony gene pool!!!!!   ::MonkeyLaugh::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 08:42:34 PM
So they pretty much should have the time of death right.


She killed her on the 15th at night i think she borrowed the shovel on the 18th that would be 2.6 days!!

I think she put her in the trunk that night she chloroformed her put her in trunk and she died when she began to smell she buried her!
Is she only had the shovel for an hour she has to be close to the house. did they ever dig in that backyard? What if she is their that is where the dogs hit, They need to dig that yard up and under the pool maybe they have a crawl space under that house

Somewhere, there is a link to photographs that were taken during the LE search of the backyard.  They went over everything pretty well and they identified the area where the dogs hit.  Does anyone have the link to those photographs?

PHOTOS

Investigators search the backyard of home where 2-year-old Caylee Anthony lived.
July 18, 2008


http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/071808cayleehomesearch/1/lg/071808searchathome12.htm


Family of Missing Toddler Caylee Anthony Mum on TV Reports of New Concrete Slab in Yard
Thursday, July 24, 2008


The family of an Orlando toddler missing for more than a month won't answer questions about a tip that a new concrete slab was poured in the grandparents' backyard over July 4 weekend, shortly before they reported the child missing.

Caylee Marie Anthony's grandmother would neither confirm nor deny the tip about the fresh concrete received by local WFTV Eyewitness News in Orlando, according to the station.

Orange County Sheriff's detectives said they didn't know anything about the reported addition to the property, which they searched last week with cadaver dogs. The toddler was reported missing last week.

"We do yard work around our house all the time and our yard has been completely looked at," Cindy Anthony told WFTV Thursday morning. "I feel very confident. The sheriff's office knows everything that we've done in that yard over the last year. We've disclosed everything. If they had any concerns, I would think they would have followed up on it already."

Orange County, Fla., sheriff's detectives told FOX News they weren't aware of a recently-poured block of concrete.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,390054,00.html


BUMPED!!!

Just in case you missed SS.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 08:42:43 PM
If the defense is unable to cross examine the evidence presented in the case by the FBi, will that evidence then be thrown out of the case???

Gosh, I hope not. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 08:43:25 PM
Well poop!  I give up I can't even ask for a fix up without messing that up too. Gosh!! I am embarrassed now. :roll:

Smooches to Lalas  :smt058

You really are a softie.  ::MonkeyWink::

Mooshy as a big squidgy cushion  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 08:43:31 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 08:43:51 PM
If there is any evidence that there is incest in this case in any way shape or form...the defense had better use it to their advantage.  At this point they have nothing else.  The FBI analysis is very strong....HUMAN decomp in the trunk.  That is damning no matter what they want to believe. 

Put the experts that test this stuff every day on the stand.  They know what to say to refute anything the defense will throw at them.  The person that performed the test reported the results and that is all you need is for the person to get up there and explain the process and give their conclusions as to what it means.  The defense can ask about animals and pizza all they want but the scientific evidence is there in all it's glory.  It will be up to the jury to make the final decision. 

How do you explain the presence of HUMAN decomposition in the trunk?  Go on...someone try to convince me it was a squirrel.  Go ahead. I dare you!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 24, 2008, 08:44:01 PM
If JB uses the incest/bad mommy defense, I wonder what Cindy's reaction will be to that? Here she is shouting from the rooftop that KC is innocent to keep her daughter from getting the death penalty, but would she also stand by Lee? Or would she toss him to the side to continue to defend KC?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:44:31 PM
Prosecutor's case, in a nutshell -
Casey Anthony – high school dropout, unwed and pregnant at 19 (possibly by her brother, no one has denied this as of yet…)
Has told various differing stories about who is Caylee’s father,
Known as a “diabolical liar” by her friends,
Pretended for nearly 2 years to have a job when she really did not have one,
Stole thousands of $$ from her grandparents savings,
Spent thousands of $$ on her mother’s credit cards,
Known to be very promiscuous,
By most accounts seemed to love her daughter, although (according to brother) her mother Cindy says she was a bad mother, Caylee a mistake, etc etc etc.
Claims to have a xanax connection (Annie),
Researching how to make chloroform as early as May 2008,
Researching missing child websites,
Telling people that Caylee was “with the nanny” as early as May 2008 although not one friend or family member has ever met or even seen said nanny (Caylee possibly drugged in trunk of car?),
Known to take Caylee to “adult” parties and nightclubs, and chastised by her friends for doing so,
Cindy threatening to take custody of Caylee?
Cindy and George actually seeing counselor regarding getting custody of Caylee?
Has fight with mother over stealing from grandparents and generally being a shitty mother, Cindy choked her and there was a lot of screaming (this according to Lee and neighbors),
Immediately after the fight, wants to visit boyfriend but boyfriend says “don’t bring the kid”,
(do we know where she actually spent the night on June 15th?  George says he saw C&C at 1pm on the 16th – LAST REPORTED SIGHTING OF CAYLEE).
No reported sightings of Caylee after June 16th.
Casey having nightmares during the following week,
Casey borrows shovel on June 18th and backs car into garage. 
Caylee steals best friend’s checkbook and shops at target, buys nothing for Caylee.
Caylee returns home and doesn’t get supplies for Caylee.
Caylee buys a ________________ at JCP on June 27th (LE will fill in that blank).
Car smells of dead body.
Cindy tells 911 operator that car smells of dead body.
Cindy asks Casey “what have you done?!”
Casey tells a string of the most ridiculous lies to LE, and sticks to them !

Now if you’re not yet sold,

Evidence compiled by the FBI says “Caylee is dead and was in trunk of car”.


Do we really need a body ?


Anybody ?

I am sorry I missed your post....No..it would of course be easier with a body...but I really don't the the prosecuter would have gone for Murder 1 without a boy if he didn't think his case was rock solid. What we have seen is just the tip of the iceberg IMO.

Yes I think we will add a couple of things like "maggots have Caylee's dna and xanax and/or chloroform"... and also possibly that one of Casey's friends rolled on her and fessed up to witnessing a drugged Caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 08:44:53 PM
Not to beat a dead horse any more, but, Rob over on the LP forum says that the evidence in the trunk suggests more than 11 days.

I personally feel that Caylee was in the trunk from June 18th (the day that she borrowed the shovel and the car was backed into the garage) until June 27th (the day that pings place her in wooded areas). 

I'm not sure that is exactly what he is saying.  I get the impression that he is just pointing to what was said in the original article/post. 

His quote (this is Rob's post in totality, the ..... at the end, is what suggests to me that he is relating back to the original article/post).  Everyone can make up their own minds.

Quote
I have seen the post you are talking about and can not confirm the validity of whoever is posting that information.....most of the things mentioned have not come up before...as far as the first sentence yes there is reason the cadaver dog hit in the backyard and yes there was evidence in the trunk....not sure where the 11 days came from....the evidence in the trunk would have been more days than 11.......


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Goodnight IamHereToday!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 08:45:47 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


I heard that also.
OMG Jennifer Hudson's family.  Where is the little nephew?  What is this world coming to?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 08:46:02 PM
If JB uses the incest/bad mommy defense, I wonder what Cindy's reaction will be to that? Here she is shouting from the rooftop that KC is innocent to keep her daughter from getting the death penalty, but would she also stand by Lee? Or would she toss him to the side to continue to defend KC?
That is really a sad queston.  If both of your children were drowning and you could only reach one????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:46:06 PM
If there is any evidence that there is incest in this case in any way shape or form...the defense had better use it to their advantage.  At this point they have nothing else.  The FBI analysis is very strong....HUMAN decomp in the trunk.  That is damning no matter what they want to believe. 

Put the experts that test this stuff every day on the stand.  They know what to say to refute anything the defense will throw at them.  The person that performed the test reported the results and that is all you need is for the person to get up there and explain the process and give their conclusions as to what it means.  The defense can ask about animals and pizza all they want but the scientific evidence is there in all it's glory.  It will be up to the jury to make the final decision. 

How do you explain the presence of HUMAN decomposition in the trunk?  Go on...someone try to convince me it was a squirrel.  Go ahead. I dare you!

You are exactly right and not only human decomp but Caylee Anthony's dna.  This is why I think some of the details that we are discussing here on the board, won't even come into play.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 08:46:10 PM
Geez, I can't stand Kobi.  He's talking through his hat about DNA.

I can't stomach him...I am going to pass on NG tonight casue I know if there is anything important said I can read it right here!  YEA MONKEYS!!

I had to shut it off Sunny...tired of all the repeated vid clips of Cindy mouthing off. Sick of her voice. Same stuff every night...I hate them all. WHERE IS CAYLEE!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sam on October 24, 2008, 08:46:13 PM
Anna - what do you think about a large trash bag then into a large piece of rolling luggage?

Klaas,
I think anything as long as it was airtight and believe there has been some discussion of matched set of luggage in the past.

But anything airtight would work until the gases started to form and then there would be a problem.

I tend to agree that something with wheels would certainly make transportation easier.  And also agree that the temps would make for accelerated rate of decomp sort of like cooking in slow cooker.  Normal rates wouldn't really apply in that heat.

Also am amazed none of the searchers have been injured/bitten in those swampy areas.  Do hope all will exercise extreme caution when searching.

I guess all the report really tells us that that the remains were in the trunk during or after some level of decomp and that decomp took place in something airtight.

I also noted the reports don't seem at all interested in the pizza.  Airtight could mean the maggots became interested only after leak happened?  They would be then drawn to escaped fluids?

Would like to see the missing JCP statement.  I am sure LE has it by now.  They seem to hold on to things they plan to use, IMO.  But I also think Casey could have tried to replace something she might have used so it wouldn't be noticed to be missing. 

As always, JMO.  I am not as up on all the information on this investigation as so many monkeys are.

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I noticed in one of the pictures posted by MisterMichaelj I believe showed a searcher in short sleeves. I do not think that is a good idea. IMO

Something I have never seen brought up here but it used to be very common for serial killers to use powdered lime  the same kind used to sweeten the soil. I remember a case in Indiana where  a killer was putting his victims in the crawl space under his home. Lots of young boys as I remember. This what he used to keep the smell from occurring.This would help in masking the odor of decomposition. So if she had been in an airtight container with a lot of lime in it as well she could have easily camouflaged the odor. Again JMHO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 08:46:30 PM
Well poop!  I give up I can't even ask for a fix up without messing that up too. Gosh!! I am embarrassed now. :roll:

Smooches to Lalas  :smt058

You really are a softie.  ::MonkeyWink::



We still love you, Lala's.  I botched a post worse than you did tonight.  I mixed up tay sachs and sickel cell - and I have the post grad degree.  It's been a very long day.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 08:47:20 PM
If the defense is unable to cross examine the evidence presented in the case by the FBi, will that evidence then be thrown out of the case???

Why would the defense be unable to cross examine the evidence?  Just because they can't have another sample does not mean they can't question the person performing the test and ask about chain of custody and such.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 08:48:16 PM
Well poop!  I give up I can't even ask for a fix up without messing that up too. Gosh!! I am embarrassed now. :roll:

Smooches to Lalas  :smt058

You really are a softie.  ::MonkeyWink::



We still love you, Lala's.  I botched a post worse than you did tonight.  I mixed up tay sachs and sickel cell - and I have the post grad degree.  It's been a very long day.

LOL Are you saying you are smarter than me? LOL  Don't answer I am teasing you.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sea Searcher on October 24, 2008, 08:49:27 PM
does anyone remember what denomination the Anthony family is ? I know it's not catholic

TIA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 08:50:06 PM
does anyone remember what denomination the Anthony family is ? I know it's not catholic

TIA

I was thinking it was Baptist.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:50:24 PM
does anyone remember what denomination the Anthony family is ? I know it's not catholic

TIA

well I heard it was a baptist preacher that visited her in the pokey, but, I thought baptists don't dance ?    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: numbersgirl on October 24, 2008, 08:50:48 PM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.

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Me either Hudsunn......just didnt see that one...


That proves that what I said is true to those of you that don't believe what I said. Who told us that caylees body was in the car for 11 days? Proves my point and I am right.


Because this "point" of yours was not concussively yours....I'm assuming you meant that you...and others, who thought this as well.

Colt..I posted early this morning to Thank you and your wife for volunteering with TES.....our prayers will be all of you...not only to find Caylee but for y'alls safety.


Thanks! I really appreciate that. Personal safety for all of those who will be searching, will be the #1 concern.

Chuck

Thank You again Clolt ,for helping TES tomorrow and please keep us posted if you can.



I will try to post when I get back from the Team Leader's briefing with TES on the 7th. We live just under an hour away from the search area, so we we be coming back home each day. And I will post a SM briefing here, after each day's search (8th & 9th).

Thanks Colt...both for helping search for Caylee and for keeping us updated.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 08:51:19 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


I heard it ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Stacey on October 24, 2008, 08:51:56 PM
LP said on NG that he thinks a Minister is talking to Casey and then is going to the A's and giving them message from Casey.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:52:14 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


I heard it ::MonkeyEek::

yowza ?  do we know where this cross is now?  was it a piece of jewelry ?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 08:52:33 PM
does anyone remember what denomination the Anthony family is ? I know it's not catholic

TIA

well I heard it was a baptist preacher that visited her in the pokey, but, I thought baptists don't dance ?    ::MonkeyDance::

I think that depends on the individual church. My parents are Baptist, and I know there is a wide range of beliefs depending on the congregation.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 08:53:15 PM
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I noticed in one of the pictures posted by MisterMichaelj I believe showed a searcher in short sleeves. I do not think that is a good idea. IMO


Sam~  MistermichaelJ didn't post the pictures, and he made a post saying so, when another monkey made the same mistake.  The credit goes to someone else, who I can't think of this sec.  They should be credited with posting the pics. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 24, 2008, 08:53:46 PM
So if there are no maggots on the pizza test, there was no actual pizza in her trunk, only the box, yet there was maggots found in the trunk, defense will have to answer why were there maggots in KC's car? They don't just magically appear in Florida cars.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2008, 08:54:03 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?

YES, I heard that one. Big Whoop. Not incriminating at all unless it was a grave marker crossand it said RIP, Caylee .


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sea Searcher on October 24, 2008, 08:54:08 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


I heard it ::MonkeyEek::

LP was the one who said it ?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Stacey on October 24, 2008, 08:54:24 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


I heard it ::MonkeyEek::

He also said Cindy said Casey had bought it for Caylee
HMMMMM wonder if it is for a live or dead Caylee
This family has a answer for everything and it could mean many many things


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 08:55:11 PM
So if there are no maggots on the pizza test, there was no actual pizza in her trunk, only the box, yet there was maggots found in the trunk, defense will have to answer why were there maggots in KC's car? They don't just magically appear in Florida cars.  ::MonkeyEek::

I thought the tow truck guy even said there were maggots in the bag?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 08:55:17 PM
Geez, I can't stand Kobi.  He's talking through his hat about DNA.

I can't stomach him...I am going to pass on NG tonight casue I know if there is anything important said I can read it right here!  YEA MONKEYS!!

I had to shut it off Sunny...tired of all the repeated vid clips of Cindy mouthing off. Sick of her voice. Same stuff every night...I hate them all. WHERE IS CAYLEE!!!

thanks nut...now I KNOW I am NOT going to watch it..... ::MonkeyNoNo::  In fact I think I will say nighters to all of you and go watch TV with my DH and canine kids!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 24, 2008, 08:55:34 PM
If the defense is unable to cross examine the evidence presented in the case by the FBi, will that evidence then be thrown out of the case???

Why would the defense be unable to cross examine the evidence?  Just because they can't have another sample does not mean they can't question the person performing the test and ask about chain of custody and such.
The latest doc drop indicated that the evidence being processed was very minimal in size and may only have enough for testing once.  I think that the defense could argue that they were unable to have their expert test it as well if all of the evidence has been used up on the first initial test done by FBI.  Sure they can question the testers, but I think Baez might have a leg to stand on if he is unable to have his own people cross examine first hand. 
Very good question A-1, I will look into that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 08:55:49 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


I heard that also.
OMG Jennifer Hudson's family.  Where is the little nephew?  What is this world coming to?
i just looked back at some video and she is wearing a cross when she was arrested the second time (i think)....she has a caylee t-shirt on...i also think i remember a cross in one of the target videos.
Yes shasta, what a horrible thing for jennifer hudsons family.  I hope they get that little boy soon.  evidently he didn't want to kill him or he would have at the house so hopefully they will recover him safetly.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 08:55:52 PM
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I noticed in one of the pictures posted by MisterMichaelj I believe showed a searcher in short sleeves. I do not think that is a good idea. IMO


Sam~  MistermichaelJ didn't post the pictures, and he made a post saying so, when another monkey made the same mistake.  The credit goes to someone else, who I can't think of this sec.  They should be credited with posting the pics. 

I believe it was Invision.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: San on October 24, 2008, 08:56:14 PM
Geez, I can't stand Kobi.  He's talking through his hat about DNA.

I can't stomach him...I am going to pass on NG tonight casue I know if there is anything important said I can read it right here!  YEA MONKEYS!!

I had to shut it off Sunny...tired of all the repeated vid clips of Cindy mouthing off. Sick of her voice. Same stuff every night...I hate them all. WHERE IS CAYLEE!!!

thanks nut...now I KNOW I am NOT going to watch it..... ::MonkeyNoNo::  In fact I think I will say nighters to all of you and go watch TV with my DH and canine kids!!

Have a good night Sunny.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:56:28 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


I heard it ::MonkeyEek::

He also said Cindy said Casey had bought it for Caylee
HMMMMM wonder if it is for a live or dead Caylee
This family has a answer for everything and it could mean many many things

Well obviously if this is the thing that was bought on the 27th, it was for a dead caylee.  Do we know where the cross is now??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Altruist on October 24, 2008, 08:56:59 PM
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I noticed in one of the pictures posted by MisterMichaelj I believe showed a searcher in short sleeves. I do not think that is a good idea. IMO


Sam~  MistermichaelJ didn't post the pictures, and he made a post saying so, when another monkey made the same mistake.  The credit goes to someone else, who I can't think of this sec.  They should be credited with posting the pics. 

IIRC, it was invision that posted those photo's of the Boggs Creek Rd. area.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sea Searcher on October 24, 2008, 08:57:22 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?

YES, I heard that one. Big Whoop. Not incriminating at all unless it was a grave marker crossand it said RIP, Caylee .

maybe not incriminating but if it's metal and she buried it with Caylee....it just might help in locating the body  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 08:57:23 PM
If the defense is unable to cross examine the evidence presented in the case by the FBi, will that evidence then be thrown out of the case???

Why would the defense be unable to cross examine the evidence?  Just because they can't have another sample does not mean they can't question the person performing the test and ask about chain of custody and such.
The latest doc drop indicated that the evidence being processed was very minimal in size and may only have enough for testing once.  I think that the defense could argue that they were unable to have their expert test it as well if all of the evidence has been used up on the first initial test done by FBI.  Sure they can question the testers, but I think Baez might have a leg to stand on if he is unable to have his own people cross examine first hand. 
Very good question A-1, I will look into that.
Thank you Dolce.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 08:57:40 PM
Geez, I can't stand Kobi.  He's talking through his hat about DNA.

I can't stomach him...I am going to pass on NG tonight casue I know if there is anything important said I can read it right here!  YEA MONKEYS!!

I had to shut it off Sunny...tired of all the repeated vid clips of Cindy mouthing off. Sick of her voice. Same stuff every night...I hate them all. WHERE IS CAYLEE!!!

thanks nut...now I KNOW I am NOT going to watch it..... ::MonkeyNoNo::  In fact I think I will say nighters to all of you and go watch TV with my DH and canine kids!!

nite Sunny


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 08:57:51 PM
So if there are no maggots on the pizza test, there was no actual pizza in her trunk, only the box, yet there was maggots found in the trunk, defense will have to answer why were there maggots in KC's car? They don't just magically appear in Florida cars.  ::MonkeyEek::

I thought the tow truck guy even said there were maggots in the bag?

I think you're correct.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2008, 08:57:58 PM
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I noticed in one of the pictures posted by MisterMichaelj I believe showed a searcher in short sleeves. I do not think that is a good idea. IMO


Sam~  MistermichaelJ didn't post the pictures, and he made a post saying so, when another monkey made the same mistake.  The credit goes to someone else, who I can't think of this sec.  They should be credited with posting the pics. 

I believe it was invision


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 24, 2008, 08:58:34 PM
Quote
I noticed in one of the pictures posted by MisterMichaelj I believe showed a searcher in short sleeves. I do not think that is a good idea. IMO


Sam~  MistermichaelJ didn't post the pictures, and he made a post saying so, when another monkey made the same mistake.  The credit goes to someone else, who I can't think of this sec.  They should be credited with posting the pics. 


Picture taking is not allowed in the search area, unless it's OK'ed by TES.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Brandi on October 24, 2008, 08:58:46 PM
Geez, I can't stand Kobi.  He's talking through his hat about DNA.

I can't stomach him...I am going to pass on NG tonight casue I know if there is anything important said I can read it right here!  YEA MONKEYS!!

I had to shut it off Sunny...tired of all the repeated vid clips of Cindy mouthing off. Sick of her voice. Same stuff every night...I hate them all. WHERE IS CAYLEE!!!

thanks nut...now I KNOW I am NOT going to watch it..... ::MonkeyNoNo::  In fact I think I will say nighters to all of you and go watch TV with my DH and canine kids!!

Good night Sunny!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Stacey on October 24, 2008, 08:58:56 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


I heard it ::MonkeyEek::

He also said Cindy said Casey had bought it for Caylee
HMMMMM wonder if it is for a live or dead Caylee
This family has a answer for everything and it could mean many many things

Well obviously if this is the thing that was bought on the 27th, it was for a dead caylee.  Do we know where the cross is now??

Nope nothing said about where it is know


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Justice0 on October 24, 2008, 08:59:18 PM
So if there are no maggots on the pizza test, there was no actual pizza in her trunk, only the box, yet there was maggots found in the trunk, defense will have to answer why were there maggots in KC's car? They don't just magically appear in Florida cars.  ::MonkeyEek::

I thought the tow truck guy even said there were maggots in the bag?

I think you're correct.
And that bag with decomp that was not included in the FBI info today.I wonder why and what else they are holding back!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 09:00:00 PM
Quote
I noticed in one of the pictures posted by MisterMichaelj I believe showed a searcher in short sleeves. I do not think that is a good idea. IMO


Sam~  MistermichaelJ didn't post the pictures, and he made a post saying so, when another monkey made the same mistake.  The credit goes to someone else, who I can't think of this sec.  They should be credited with posting the pics. 


Picture taking is not allowed in the search area, unless it's OK'ed by TES.

I think Invision's photos were not made during a TES search.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Justice0 on October 24, 2008, 09:01:03 PM
Quote
I noticed in one of the pictures posted by MisterMichaelj I believe showed a searcher in short sleeves. I do not think that is a good idea. IMO


Sam~  MistermichaelJ didn't post the pictures, and he made a post saying so, when another monkey made the same mistake.  The credit goes to someone else, who I can't think of this sec.  They should be credited with posting the pics. 


Picture taking is not allowed in the search area, unless it's OK'ed by TES.

I don't think Invision searched with TES. I think she searched with another group


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shasta on October 24, 2008, 09:01:05 PM
So if there are no maggots on the pizza test, there was no actual pizza in her trunk, only the box, yet there was maggots found in the trunk, defense will have to answer why were there maggots in KC's car? They don't just magically appear in Florida cars.  ::MonkeyEek::

I thought the tow truck guy even said there were maggots in the bag?

I think you're correct.
And that bag with decomp that was not included in the FBI info today.I wonder why and what else they are holding back!

Do you mean the pizza, garbage bag?  I think I heard there was decomp on the outside of it. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Brandi on October 24, 2008, 09:01:05 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


I heard it ::MonkeyEek::

He also said Cindy said Casey had bought it for Caylee
HMMMMM wonder if it is for a live or dead Caylee
This family has a answer for everything and it could mean many many things

Well obviously if this is the thing that was bought on the 27th, it was for a dead caylee.  Do we know where the cross is now??

Is it possible that this cross was a necklace? And is it possible that Cindy bought it, not Casey?  I remember seeing Cindy suddenly begin wearing a cross necklace around this time.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 09:01:18 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


I heard it ::MonkeyEek::

He also said Cindy said Casey had bought it for Caylee
HMMMMM wonder if it is for a live or dead Caylee
This family has a answer for everything and it could mean many many things
i didn't hear him say that...wow...so cindy was ready for that question...that's probably why she wouldn't turn over her cc statement...amazing...so caylee was missing and casey was out shopping for a cross for her...  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Altruist on October 24, 2008, 09:01:38 PM
Picture taking is not allowed in the search area, unless it's OK'ed by TES.

TES had already pulled out of the searching at the time that invision went searching with a group.  HH went out searching the area on her own with her son, iirc.  Neither poster was involved with TES at the time that photo's were taken.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 09:02:15 PM
So if there are no maggots on the pizza test, there was no actual pizza in her trunk, only the box, yet there was maggots found in the trunk, defense will have to answer why were there maggots in KC's car? They don't just magically appear in Florida cars.  ::MonkeyEek::

I thought the tow truck guy even said there were maggots in the bag?

I think you're correct.

He did and he also said that Caseyts car  smelled just like a car he had the week before that had a dead body in it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 09:02:19 PM
does anyone remember what denomination the Anthony family is ? I know it's not catholic

TIA

Not sure Sea Searcher but Cindy claims that Casey is religious but was not allowed a Bible in jail.  I tend to find that hard to believe when it is considered that a Bible is on that list of items that Casey is allowed to purchase while in jail.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++

Emergency Motion Filed In Case Of Missing Toddler
Mother's Attorney Files Order To Stop Release Of Jail Conversations
POSTED: 11:32 am EDT July 28, 2008
UPDATED: 1:31 pm EDT July 29, 2008


The largest prayer vigil yet was held on Sunday night to help the Anthony family. More than 60 people from all over Florida joined in a circle in pouring rain.

Casey Anthony asked to have her Bible be brought to her in jail, but her request was denied.

"She's very religious. She'd feel great comfort. We tried to get that to her, but she's not allowed to have it," Cindy Anthony said.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17013972/detail.html


Casey Anthony declines placing commissary order 
Last Edited: Thursday, 23 Oct 2008, 12:03 PM EDT 
Created: Thursday, 23 Oct 2008, 11:35 AM EDT
 

Casey currently has $251.26 in her inmate account. The money has been deposited by her father, a bail bonds group and two other persons who she does not know. She was allowed to place an order for up to $70 worth of items. It is not clear why she turned down her opportunity.

The items she can purchase include shampoo, underwear, shoes, a bible, batteries and assorted candies.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7707521&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 09:02:22 PM
So if there are no maggots on the pizza test, there was no actual pizza in her trunk, only the box, yet there was maggots found in the trunk, defense will have to answer why were there maggots in KC's car? They don't just magically appear in Florida cars.  ::MonkeyEek::

I thought the tow truck guy even said there were maggots in the bag?

I think you're correct.
And that bag with decomp that was not included in the FBI info today.I wonder why and what else they are holding back!

Do you mean the pizza, garbage bag?  I think I heard there was decomp on the outside of it. 

yes I also heard there was decomp fluid and maggots on the outside of the bag and also on other items in the trunk.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 09:02:46 PM
Well poop!  I give up I can't even ask for a fix up without messing that up too. Gosh!! I am embarrassed now. :roll:

Smooches to Lalas  :smt058

You really are a softie.  ::MonkeyWink::



We still love you, Lala's.  I botched a post worse than you did tonight.  I mixed up tay sachs and sickel cell - and I have the post grad degree.  It's been a very long day.

LOL Are you saying you are smarter than me? LOL  Don't answer I am teasing you.  ::MonkeyWink::




No, no you silly goose.  I was saying that my botch was worse than your's because I have the degree in Developmental Disabilities and screwed up the syndromes.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sam on October 24, 2008, 09:02:47 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


I heard it ::MonkeyEek::

She is wearing it in the bank photo where she is cashing the bad check.

Muffee thanks for pointing out it was not Mistermichaels pictures. Again I want to repeat if folks are going to be involved in any searches for anyone they should wear long sleeves. If you wear a short sleeved shirt under and are in a clear enough area you can always take off the long sleeved one.

In case anyone missed my post about powdered lime, sold in garden supply stores. I imagine the Anthony's might have even had some in there shed.



Something I have never seen brought up here but it used to be very common for serial killers to use powdered lime  the same kind used to sweeten the soil. I remember a case in Indiana where  a killer was putting his victims in the crawl space under his home. Lots of young boys as I remember. This what he used to keep the smell from occurring.This would help in masking the odor of decomposition. So if she had been in an airtight container with a lot of lime in it as well she could have easily camouflaged the odor. Again JMHO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Stacey on October 24, 2008, 09:03:35 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


I heard it ::MonkeyEek::

He also said Cindy said Casey had bought it for Caylee
HMMMMM wonder if it is for a live or dead Caylee
This family has a answer for everything and it could mean many many things

Well obviously if this is the thing that was bought on the 27th, it was for a dead caylee.  Do we know where the cross is now??

Is it possible that this cross was a necklace? And is it possible that Cindy bought it, not Casey?  I remember seeing Cindy suddenly begin wearing a cross necklace around this time.

LP just said it was a cross


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 09:06:34 PM

She is wearing it in the bank photo where she is cashing the bad check.

I find this tidbit interesting because I have always felt that based on Cindy's reluctance to turn over the receipts/statements, whatever was bought was alot mor eincriminating than a cross necklace.  Now if we suddenly couldn't find the cross necklace, that could be significant (buried with the body?)  But if the Anthonys still have possession of it, then I suppose I feel "let down"  hahahhaha ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 09:07:07 PM
I haven't caught up with my reading yet but did you hear LP on NG say that casey bought a cross at JCP?


I heard it ::MonkeyEek::

He also said Cindy said Casey had bought it for Caylee
HMMMMM wonder if it is for a live or dead Caylee
This family has a answer for everything and it could mean many many things

Well obviously if this is the thing that was bought on the 27th, it was for a dead caylee.  Do we know where the cross is now??

Is it possible that this cross was a necklace? And is it possible that Cindy bought it, not Casey?  I remember seeing Cindy suddenly begin wearing a cross necklace around this time.

LP just said it was a cross

casey was wearing a cross when she was arrested the second time (i think)...i also think i remember that she was wearing one in one of the target videos.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Stacey on October 24, 2008, 09:07:31 PM
I wonder if she already had the cross and when she dumped Caylee she left it with her. Then went to JCP and got another just like it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Altruist on October 24, 2008, 09:08:22 PM
The serial killer with the boys, think there were in excess of 30 boys that John Gacey murdered.

GA was "sweetening" his lawn both front & back while the Fox web cam's were up.  So many thought that was normal behavior, not me, those people have secrets still there on that property.  As I recall, posters watching the fertilization of the Hopespring address saw the bags of the stuff & were reading the contents online.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2008, 09:10:37 PM
Wouldn't just the trunk itself be the enclosed area ? There isn't much oxygen in a trunk is there. Don't experiment on this one please. She could have stuck her in the trunk alive
because she didn't know what else to do with her as she had a hot date. And put a choroform rag in there to sedate the kiddo.   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Justice0 on October 24, 2008, 09:10:59 PM
So if there are no maggots on the pizza test, there was no actual pizza in her trunk, only the box, yet there was maggots found in the trunk, defense will have to answer why were there maggots in KC's car? They don't just magically appear in Florida cars.  ::MonkeyEek::

I thought the tow truck guy even said there were maggots in the bag?

I think you're correct.
And that bag with decomp that was not included in the FBI info today.I wonder why and what else they are holding back!

Do you mean the pizza, garbage bag?  I think I heard there was decomp on the outside of it. 

yes I also heard there was decomp fluid and maggots on the outside of the bag and also on other items in the trunk.

Yes the one the tow truck driver threw over fence and LE went to get it. Wait isnt that what LP said not LE so that may be why it was not in the DNA realease I wonder if it was true.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 09:11:39 PM
Wouldn't just the trunk itself be the enclosed area ? There isn't much oxygen in a trunk is there. Don't experiment on this one please. She could have stuck her in the trunk alive
because she didn't know what else to do with her as she had a hot date. And put a choroform rag in there to sedate the kiddo.   

Yes, I remember a few years ago a terrible tragedy where two young boys accidentally closed themselves in a car trunk and died.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 24, 2008, 09:12:42 PM
Well poop!  I give up I can't even ask for a fix up without messing that up too. Gosh!! I am embarrassed now. :roll:

Smooches to Lalas  :smt058

You really are a softie.  ::MonkeyWink::


I screwed up my own theory.... oh well.


We still love you, Lala's.  I botched a post worse than you did tonight.  I mixed up tay sachs and sickel cell - and I have the post grad degree.  It's been a very long day.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 09:12:53 PM

She is wearing it in the bank photo where she is cashing the bad check.

I find this tidbit interesting because I have always felt that based on Cindy's reluctance to turn over the receipts/statements, whatever was bought was alot mor eincriminating than a cross necklace.  Now if we suddenly couldn't find the cross necklace, that could be significant (buried with the body?)  But if the Anthonys still have possession of it, then I suppose I feel "let down"  hahahhaha ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe the cross wasn't the only thing she bought.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 09:13:41 PM
Perhaps the 'cross' she purchased is the 'Rosary' she wore to jail.... I dunno, lol.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 09:13:47 PM
does anyone remember what denomination the Anthony family is ? I know it's not catholic

TIA

well I heard it was a baptist preacher that visited her in the pokey, but, I thought baptists don't dance ?    ::MonkeyDance::

I think that depends on the individual church. My parents are Baptist, and I know there is a wide range of beliefs depending on the congregation.

BT ... we have a prison ministery in our church ... Evangelical.  The senior and the youth pastors as well as a couple of elders take turns visiting the prison in the the Upper Fraser Valley of British Columbia ... about a 45 minute drive.  Anyways ... they will talk to any prisoner who requests a minister but does not have one of his own.  After a relationship is established ... a prisoner will often requests one of our guys by name.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 09:13:51 PM
If the defense is unable to cross examine the evidence presented in the case by the FBi, will that evidence then be thrown out of the case???

Why would the defense be unable to cross examine the evidence?  Just because they can't have another sample does not mean they can't question the person performing the test and ask about chain of custody and such.
The latest doc drop indicated that the evidence being processed was very minimal in size and may only have enough for testing once.  I think that the defense could argue that they were unable to have their expert test it as well if all of the evidence has been used up on the first initial test done by FBI.  Sure they can question the testers, but I think Baez might have a leg to stand on if he is unable to have his own people cross examine first hand. 
Very good question A-1, I will look into that.

I don't think so.  All evidence is not reproducible. That is nothing new.  Baez can complain all he wants but he still has to explain how there was HUMAN decomp in the trunk of a car he has said was in the control of Casey Anthony.  Trace evidence is nothing new.  It is up to the prosecution to PROVE their case.  The defense can only try to put doubt in the jury's mind.  Again...explain to the jury how HUMAN decomp got in the trunk other than it being Caylee.  Casey is not dead and the chances of it being anyone else is remote.  Common sense is all they need to use...science does not lie.  Only the defense gets that freedom.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 09:14:08 PM

She is wearing it in the bank photo where she is cashing the bad check.

I find this tidbit interesting because I have always felt that based on Cindy's reluctance to turn over the receipts/statements, whatever was bought was alot mor eincriminating than a cross necklace.  Now if we suddenly couldn't find the cross necklace, that could be significant (buried with the body?)  But if the Anthonys still have possession of it, then I suppose I feel "let down"  hahahhaha ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe the cross wasn't the only thing she bought.

true... i did not see the broadcast so I'm wondering in what context it was even brought up...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sam on October 24, 2008, 09:15:40 PM
The serial killer with the boys, think there were in excess of 30 boys that John Gacey murdered.

GA was "sweetening" his lawn both front & back while the Fox web cam's were up.  So many thought that was normal behavior, not me, those people have secrets still there on that property.  As I recall, posters watching the fertilization of the Hopespring address saw the bags of the stuff & were reading the contents online.

Thank you Altruist for remembering the case I was talking about.

I wonder if GA was sweetening the lawn before or after the LE came with the dogs?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2008, 09:16:12 PM
Wouldn't just the trunk itself be the enclosed area ? There isn't much oxygen in a trunk is there. Don't experiment on this one please. She could have stuck her in the trunk alive
because she didn't know what else to do with her as she had a hot date. And put a choroform rag in there to sedate the kiddo.   

That is most likely what happened.  There was evidence of hair that was consistent with Caylee that did not have the decomp band and then there was the decomp band hair.  Indicating Caylee was alive at one time while in the trunk.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SS on October 24, 2008, 09:17:17 PM
Janet - thank you for the LE search photographs link.  I can't imagine how large your hard drive must be to hold all of your data files.  I think there are more than a few LEs who would love to have what is on your computer.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 09:17:28 PM
Wouldn't just the trunk itself be the enclosed area ? There isn't much oxygen in a trunk is there. Don't experiment on this one please. She could have stuck her in the trunk alive
because she didn't know what else to do with her as she had a hot date. And put a choroform rag in there to sedate the kiddo.   

Yes, I remember a few years ago a terrible tragedy where two young boys accidentally closed themselves in a car trunk and died.

I remember.  BT ... that was a tragedy.  A search was organized and ... lasted for hours before the boys were discovered.  I think a neighbour's car and ... a game of hide and seek  were involved.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 24, 2008, 09:17:52 PM

I don't think so.  All evidence is not reproducible. That is nothing new.  Baez can complain all he wants but he still has to explain how there was HUMAN decomp in the trunk of a car he has said was in the control of Casey Anthony.  Trace evidence is nothing new.  It is up to the prosecution to PROVE their case.  The defense can only try to put doubt in the jury's mind.  Again...explain to the jury how HUMAN decomp got in the trunk other than it being Caylee.  Casey is not dead and the chances of it being anyone else is remote.  Common sense is all they need to use...science does not lie.  Only the defense gets that freedom.
Good!  So Baez can not use this to disprove the evidence?  Saying "Hey I did not get to have my people test it" will not have the evidence thrown out?  I was worried about that.  I uderstand having his own people on the stand to dispute the evidence, I knew that.  I just wanted to be sure that he can not cry "foul" when their is no evidence left for tests.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 09:17:59 PM

She is wearing it in the bank photo where she is cashing the bad check.

I find this tidbit interesting because I have always felt that based on Cindy's reluctance to turn over the receipts/statements, whatever was bought was alot mor eincriminating than a cross necklace.  Now if we suddenly couldn't find the cross necklace, that could be significant (buried with the body?)  But if the Anthonys still have possession of it, then I suppose I feel "let down"  hahahhaha ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe the cross wasn't the only thing she bought.

true... i did not see the broadcast so I'm wondering in what context it was even brought up...
i can't even remember...he was talking and JVM interrupted as always and it was over.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2008, 09:18:13 PM
She's very religious
Now that is a joke.
Maybe the minister told Casey Jesus loves her and so does her Mumma.
Oh, I can't go on in that vein. Me bad.
There is a girl missing up here in Canada, one week. They have Search & Rescue looking for her and they are hoping that she is injured and that they can find her alive. When I made that post about the number of volunteers looking for a dead body, I was thinking of that situation and using the resources to look for ppl where there is a chance for an alive recovery. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 09:18:23 PM
does anyone remember what denomination the Anthony family is ? I know it's not catholic

TIA

well I heard it was a baptist preacher that visited her in the pokey, but, I thought baptists don't dance ?    ::MonkeyDance::

I think that depends on the individual church. My parents are Baptist, and I know there is a wide range of beliefs depending on the congregation.

BT ... we have a prison ministery in our church ... Evangelical.  The senior and the youth pastors as well as a couple of elders take turns visiting the prison in the the Upper Fraser Valley of British Columbia ... about a 45 minute drive.  Anyways ... they will talk to any prisoner who requests a minister but does not have one of his own.  After a relationship is established ... a prisoner will often requests one of our guys by name.

Janet

Hi Janet

Yes, the Baptist churches here locally have very active prison ministries as well. I do think, though, that I read that the Anthonys are Baptist, so I was basing my guess about their denomination on that, not just on the fact that the minister who visited Casey was Baptist.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Altruist on October 24, 2008, 09:21:17 PM
The serial killer with the boys, think there were in excess of 30 boys that John Gacey murdered.

GA was "sweetening" his lawn both front & back while the Fox web cam's were up.  So many thought that was normal behavior, not me, those people have secrets still there on that property.  As I recall, posters watching the fertilization of the Hopespring address saw the bags of the stuff & were reading the contents online.

Thank you Altruist for remembering the case I was talking about.

I wonder if GA was sweetening the lawn before or after the LE came with the dogs?

Actually I think it may have been after the cadaver dogs had been to the Hopespring Dr address & if IIRC it was right around the time that rumors were being circulated that TES would be going to the Hopespring Dr address with cadaver dogs & at the time my thinking was that GA was possibly trying to sabotage the cadaver dogs or burn their paws as lime will do that as well.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 09:22:09 PM
Janet - thank you for the LE search photographs link.  I can't imagine how large your hard drive must be to hold all of your data files.  I think there are more than a few LEs who would love to have what is on your computer.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Actually ... I access most Caylee Marie links using the SM search engine.  I have good memory for key words.

 ::MonkeyWink::

However ... my DIL has beautifully organized all my Natalee Holloway files on my hard drive and ... her hubby (my son) has backed up all those files for safe keeping.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 24, 2008, 09:24:18 PM
Anthony's attend the Eastside Baptist Church in Orlando as far as I recall.  Not sure if that helps. :)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 24, 2008, 09:24:22 PM
So if there are no maggots on the pizza test, there was no actual pizza in her trunk, only the box, yet there was maggots found in the trunk, defense will have to answer why were there maggots in KC's car? They don't just magically appear in Florida cars.  ::MonkeyEek::

I thought the tow truck guy even said there were maggots in the bag?

I think you're correct.
And that bag with decomp that was not included in the FBI info today.I wonder why and what else they are holding back!

Do you mean the pizza, garbage bag?  I think I heard there was decomp on the outside of it. 

yes I also heard there was decomp fluid and maggots on the outside of the bag and also on other items in the trunk.

Yes the one the tow truck driver threw over fence and LE went to get it. Wait isnt that what LP said not LE so that may be why it was not in the DNA realease I wonder if it was true.

IIRC  the tow manager threw it out, then picked it up and put it in the dumpster. George told them it was in the car and LE went and retrieved it from the dumpster.  Then tow manager went looking for it in the dumpster because he was sure he could find it since his bags were all black and this one was white with yellow ties. He couldn't find it and so he called the popo and they told him they had come the night before and gotten it.

What I can't find in anybodies statements is the word maggot. Can somebody give me a link? (Other than LP)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BTgirl on October 24, 2008, 09:25:30 PM
Anthony's attend the Eastside Baptist Church in Orlando as far as I recall.  Not sure if that helps. :)

Thanks, Dolce. I can't believe I actually remembered something.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 09:25:46 PM
Janet - thank you for the LE search photographs link.  I can't imagine how large your hard drive must be to hold all of your data files.  I think there are more than a few LEs who would love to have what is on your computer.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Actually ... I access most Caylee Marie links using the SM search engine.  I have good memory for key words.

 ::MonkeyWink::

However ... my DIL has beautifully organized all my Natalee Holloway files on my hard drive and ... her hubby (my son) has backed up all those files for safe keeping.

Janet


Janet ~  This is wonderful.  As you know, so much has been lost in crashes etc.   It's great to see information is being kept safely.   Just wanted to say I appreciate your efforts and those of your sons. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: lula on October 24, 2008, 09:25:46 PM
If the defense is unable to cross examine the evidence presented in the case by the FBi, will that evidence then be thrown out of the case???

Why would the defense be unable to cross examine the evidence?  Just because they can't have another sample does not mean they can't question the person performing the test and ask about chain of custody and such.
The latest doc drop indicated that the evidence being processed was very minimal in size and may only have enough for testing once.  I think that the defense could argue that they were unable to have their expert test it as well if all of the evidence has been used up on the first initial test done by FBI.  Sure they can question the testers, but I think Baez might have a leg to stand on if he is unable to have his own people cross examine first hand. 
Very good question A-1, I will look into that.
I can understand questioning a local LE test, but an FBI test? Baez would be stupid.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 09:29:21 PM
If the defense is unable to cross examine the evidence presented in the case by the FBi, will that evidence then be thrown out of the case???

Why would the defense be unable to cross examine the evidence?  Just because they can't have another sample does not mean they can't question the person performing the test and ask about chain of custody and such.
The latest doc drop indicated that the evidence being processed was very minimal in size and may only have enough for testing once.  I think that the defense could argue that they were unable to have their expert test it as well if all of the evidence has been used up on the first initial test done by FBI.  Sure they can question the testers, but I think Baez might have a leg to stand on if he is unable to have his own people cross examine first hand. 
Very good question A-1, I will look into that.
I can understand questioning a local LE test, but an FBI test? Baez would be stupid.

I think he has already proven he is stupid.
IIRC the judge did mention that he would allow access to evidence and testing that Orlando LE was conducting, but that he had no jurisdiction over the FBI and therefore the defense would not be able to have equal access to that stuff.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 24, 2008, 09:30:00 PM
Goodnight!  I can't hold my eyes open any longer....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 09:30:36 PM
Goodnight!  I can't hold my eyes open any longer....

nite mammy


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 24, 2008, 09:30:58 PM
Night Mammy!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 24, 2008, 09:31:08 PM
I can understand questioning a local LE test, but an FBI test? Baez would be stupid.
Stupid yes, look who we are talking about here.  My concern is that he would use every means possible in trying to get this evidence thrown out.  I was wondering if he had a "foot to stand on" with that arguement. 
Need I remind you of the most stupidest of things that got one murderer off...
"If the glove does not fit you must aquitt"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Dolce on October 24, 2008, 09:32:19 PM
If the defense is unable to cross examine the evidence presented in the case by the FBi, will that evidence then be thrown out of the case???

Why would the defense be unable to cross examine the evidence?  Just because they can't have another sample does not mean they can't question the person performing the test and ask about chain of custody and such.
The latest doc drop indicated that the evidence being processed was very minimal in size and may only have enough for testing once.  I think that the defense could argue that they were unable to have their expert test it as well if all of the evidence has been used up on the first initial test done by FBI.  Sure they can question the testers, but I think Baez might have a leg to stand on if he is unable to have his own people cross examine first hand. 
Very good question A-1, I will look into that.
I can understand questioning a local LE test, but an FBI test? Baez would be stupid.

I think he has already proven he is stupid.
IIRC the judge did mention that he would allow access to evidence and testing that Orlando LE was conducting, but that he had no jurisdiction over the FBI and therefore the defense would not be able to have equal access to that stuff.
GOOD!!!!  Thank you for answering my question.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 09:34:13 PM
gotta run for a bit, will be back in a little while   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sam on October 24, 2008, 09:34:39 PM


Actually I think it may have been after the cadaver dogs had been to the Hopespring Dr address & if IIRC it was right around the time that rumors were being circulated that TES would be going to the Hopespring Dr address with cadaver dogs & at the time my thinking was that GA was possibly trying to sabotage the cadaver dogs or burn their paws as lime will do that as well.

I have never heard that lime will burn. My daddy worked in a rock quarry. they produced rocks gravel  and lime as well as other things.So he was around it daily. He also used it on our grass as well as in the garden. Us kids were always barefoot in the summer and if it would have harmed us in anyway I am sure he would never have used it. I guess now I will have to do some research. LOL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 09:34:46 PM
gotta run for a bit, will be back in a little while   ::MonkeyRoll::

Hurry back...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 09:35:24 PM
Its kinda slow...I say we all call Lee again...lol!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: lula on October 24, 2008, 09:37:02 PM
If the defense is unable to cross examine the evidence presented in the case by the FBi, will that evidence then be thrown out of the case???

Why would the defense be unable to cross examine the evidence?  Just because they can't have another sample does not mean they can't question the person performing the test and ask about chain of custody and such.
The latest doc drop indicated that the evidence being processed was very minimal in size and may only have enough for testing once.  I think that the defense could argue that they were unable to have their expert test it as well if all of the evidence has been used up on the first initial test done by FBI.  Sure they can question the testers, but I think Baez might have a leg to stand on if he is unable to have his own people cross examine first hand. 
Very good question A-1, I will look into that.
I can understand questioning a local LE test, but an FBI test? Baez would be stupid.

I think he has already proven he is stupid.
IIRC the judge did mention that he would allow access to evidence and testing that Orlando LE was conducting, but that he had no jurisdiction over the FBI and therefore the defense would not be able to have equal access to that stuff.
Going to trial with just the facts that we are aware of, any Jury will see there was a dead body, that body was Caylee, there was a coverup and it wouldn't take too long deliberating. Baez can jump up and dance on his head and he will still loose. He did his client a diservice by not taking a deal. Whatever reason/explaination Casey has is still wrong, Caylee died. Unless of course he can pull her out of a hat during trial. That's just not going to happen.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 09:37:12 PM
Janet - thank you for the LE search photographs link.  I can't imagine how large your hard drive must be to hold all of your data files.  I think there are more than a few LEs who would love to have what is on your computer.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Actually ... I access most Caylee Marie links using the SM search engine.  I have good memory for key words.

 ::MonkeyWink::

However ... my DIL has beautifully organized all my Natalee Holloway files on my hard drive and ... her hubby (my son) has backed up all those files for safe keeping.

Janet


Janet ~  This is wonderful.  As you know, so much has been lost in crashes etc.   It's great to see information is being kept safely.   Just wanted to say I appreciate your efforts and those of your sons. 

MuffyBee

I did lose all my Natalee Holloway files when my computer crashed when the power went out during a windstorm.  I was contemplating whether life was worth the living  (LOL) when ... I decided to phone youngest son at his place of employment (teacher).  In tears ... I frantically told him of the situation.  I was hoping he would assure me he could recover everthing.  That assurance was not forthcoming but ... he informed me that one week previous while his wife and I were having coffee and yakking in the kitchen and ... he was on my computer ... he had backed up my hard drive.  I may have lost a few files that I accumulated in that week but ... when you consider what could have been ... I was so thankful.

This guy immediately became my favorite child.  However ... I told him not to tell his siblings.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: LadyB on October 24, 2008, 09:37:57 PM
The serial killer with the boys, think there were in excess of 30 boys that John Gacey murdered.

GA was "sweetening" his lawn both front & back while the Fox web cam's were up.  So many thought that was normal behavior, not me, those people have secrets still there on that property.  As I recall, posters watching the fertilization of the Hopespring address saw the bags of the stuff & were reading the contents online.

Thank you Altruist for remembering the case I was talking about.

I wonder if GA was sweetening the lawn before or after the LE came with the dogs?

Actually I think it may have been after the cadaver dogs had been to the Hopespring Dr address & if IIRC it was right around the time that rumors were being circulated that TES would be going to the Hopespring Dr address with cadaver dogs & at the time my thinking was that GA was possibly trying to sabotage the cadaver dogs or burn their paws as lime will do that as well.
Hi to all the Monkeys, I dont post very much but this whole case is just sickening.  GA and CA both searched their yard after getting the car back, they already knew something was wrong, and  CA cleaned the car and washed items that she knew would be evidence.   How much evidence did they destroy?  I understand they love their daughter, but do they really think holding vigils for Caylee is going to bring her home.  If they really thought she was alive, they would go to the ends of the earth searching.  They don't.   They should have made their daughter tell as soon as she got home from jail the first time.  If she were my daughter, trust me , she would have told me, and  maybe she did!!!!!!!!!!! tell them. Thats what all the back pedaling and lying is all about.  Caylee's sweet spirit will always be alive, but her little body is gone now and I pray with all my heart that she will be found and laid to rest like the sweet baby girl that she was.   I also think she had help disposing of Caylee, and I think  there are friends of hers that know and I think it would be someone that she knew loved her enough to cover for her.  Im going back to reading now.............YOU ARE ALL GREAT.................


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 09:39:40 PM
Its kinda slow...I say we all call Lee again...lol!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am still trying to get up the nerve.  As one Monkey said ... Lee just may answer.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: lula on October 24, 2008, 09:40:33 PM
I can understand questioning a local LE test, but an FBI test? Baez would be stupid.
Stupid yes, look who we are talking about here.  My concern is that he would use every means possible in trying to get this evidence thrown out.  I was wondering if he had a "foot to stand on" with that arguement. 
Need I remind you of the most stupidest of things that got one murderer off...
"If the glove does not fit you must aquitt"
True, but I believe all the MT-DNA bored that not so brilliant jury to death. Today it would be more accepted I hope.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 09:41:53 PM
Its kinda slow...I say we all call Lee again...lol!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am still trying to get up the nerve.  As one Monkey said ... Lee just may answer.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

Nah, go ahead..you gotta hear Lee, he sounds just like Casey!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: lula on October 24, 2008, 09:42:28 PM
Its kinda slow...I say we all call Lee again...lol!

Where is Des? I want her back!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 09:46:01 PM
I think that LE has much more than what was released today...and these test said preliminary IIRC.  I'm sure they double checked and I think I heard triple checked everything.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 09:46:28 PM
Quote
I noticed in one of the pictures posted by MisterMichaelj I believe showed a searcher in short sleeves. I do not think that is a good idea. IMO


Sam~  MistermichaelJ didn't post the pictures, and he made a post saying so, when another monkey made the same mistake.  The credit goes to someone else, who I can't think of this sec.  They should be credited with posting the pics. 


The poster was Invision.  I wrote her a note of thanks so that's the only reason I remember the name.

Bless Your Heart!

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 24, 2008, 09:46:58 PM
Can't keep my eyes open, going to bed now.

Just a tiny step o/t, I went for a job interview yesterday that would be a dream job for me. I need something soon or will likely lose the house. If maybe some monkeys would say a quick prayer for me it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

 ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 09:46:58 PM
Its kinda slow...I say we all call Lee again...lol!

Where is Des? I want her back!!!

As quoted by Klaas:

Destiny has had alot on her plate lately.  She got upset at something I did.  She got mad and asked to be removed from SM.  Instead of removing her I've given her some time to think it over.

End of subject in this thread.  Please do not quote this post or discuss the issue here.  If you want to discuss it please email me at smklaas@hotmail.com and I'll get back to you as quick as I can about it.

It's not fair to take away from Caylee Anthony just because one of use is/was upset about something not pertaining to this case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 09:51:11 PM
Can't keep my eyes open, going to bed now.

Just a tiny step o/t, I went for a job interview yesterday that would be a dream job for me. I need something soon or will likely lose the house. If maybe some monkeys would say a quick prayer for me it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

 ::MonkeyRoll::

BooMonkey ~  (((hugs))) I hope the job interview will result in a job for you.  You are in my prayers. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 24, 2008, 09:51:49 PM
Can't keep my eyes open, going to bed now.

Just a tiny step o/t, I went for a job interview yesterday that would be a dream job for me. I need something soon or will likely lose the house. If maybe some monkeys would say a quick prayer for me it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

 ::MonkeyRoll::

Of course, Boo....best of luck and don't forget we have a Prayer Thread in the Monkey Lounge.  It brings a lot of prayers to those who need them.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sam on October 24, 2008, 09:51:51 PM


Actually I think it may have been after the cadaver dogs had been to the Hopespring Dr address & if IIRC it was right around the time that rumors were being circulated that TES would be going to the Hopespring Dr address with cadaver dogs & at the time my thinking was that GA was possibly trying to sabotage the cadaver dogs or burn their paws as lime will do that as well.

I have never heard that lime will burn. My daddy worked in a rock quarry. they produced rocks gravel  and lime as well as other things.So he was around it daily. He also used it on our grass as well as in the garden. Us kids were always barefoot in the summer and if it would have harmed us in anyway I am sure he would never have used it. I guess now I will have to do some research. LOL


Well I am back and did some research. one of the things I read was

Skin Hazards—Lime can cause irritation and burns to unprotected skin, especially in the presence of moisture. Prolonged contact with unprotected skin should be avoided. Protective gloves and clothing that fully covers arms and legs are recommended. Particular care should be exercised with quicklime because its reaction with moisture generates heat capable of causing thermal burns.

Maybe Daddy was trying to punish all of us kids. LOL It really is a joke because Daddy was my stepfather and was the kindest most gentle man on the face of this earth. He lived for us kids.JMHO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 24, 2008, 09:51:55 PM
I think that LE has much more than what was released today...and these test said preliminary IIRC.  I'm sure they double checked and I think I heard triple checked everything.

Dottie, I think you are 1,000,000 Percent correct. Lets face it we have most of the information regarding the stealing of Amy's checks. That one is all wrapped up neat as a package, but we are missing most of the really helpful information. I think what we are just the edge pieces of the puzzle, and they are going to amaze us in filling in the middle.

I just hope she doesn't plea bargain and then we won't get to hear it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 09:56:25 PM

She is wearing it in the bank photo where she is cashing the bad check.

I find this tidbit interesting because I have always felt that based on Cindy's reluctance to turn over the receipts/statements, whatever was bought was alot mor eincriminating than a cross necklace.  Now if we suddenly couldn't find the cross necklace, that could be significant (buried with the body?)  But if the Anthonys still have possession of it, then I suppose I feel "let down"  hahahhaha ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe the cross wasn't the only thing she bought.

true... i did not see the broadcast so I'm wondering in what context it was even brought up...
i can't even remember...he was talking and JVM interrupted as always and it was over.

Padilla said  "KC lies to her parents & Cindy lies to the media - just like Cindy lied about the cross KC bought for Caylee after she had already disappeared."  I don't think he actually meant  to say it.  JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2008, 09:56:46 PM
I am off.

Friends just phoned and invited us to come to movies with them.  Some WWI movie which does not excite me at all but ... hubby already has his jacket on so I guess we are going.

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!

Janet
6:55 PM ET



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sam on October 24, 2008, 09:57:59 PM

I did lose all my Natalee Holloway files when my computer crashed when the power went out during a windstorm.  I was contemplating whether life was worth the living  (LOL) when ... I decided to phone youngest son at his place of employment (teacher).  In tears ... I frantically told him of the situation.  I was hoping he would assure me he could recover everthing.  That assurance was not forthcoming but ... he informed me that one week previous while his wife and I were having coffee and yakking in the kitchen and ... he was on my computer ... he had backed up my hard drive.  I may have lost a few files that I accumulated in that week but ... when you consider what could have been ... I was so thankful.

This guy immediately became my favorite child.  However ... I told him not to tell his siblings.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet, I am so lucky and have a son as well as a daughter so I am safe in saying my favorite son or favorite daughter. ::MonkeyLaugh::

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 09:59:03 PM
I think that LE has much more than what was released today...and these test said preliminary IIRC.  I'm sure they double checked and I think I heard triple checked everything.

Dottie, I think you are 1,000,000 Percent correct. Lets face it we have most of the information regarding the stealing of Amy's checks. That one is all wrapped up neat as a package, but we are missing most of the really helpful information. I think what we are just the edge pieces of the puzzle, and they are going to amaze us in filling in the middle.

I just hope she doesn't plea bargain and then we won't get to hear it.
Yes, orchidwmn there are more pieces to the puzzle and like you I want to see the total picture.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2008, 09:59:10 PM
One of these guys that could have been the Daddy, one that can count backwards from the date of the birth, is in the background and will file a wrongful death suit after these festivities are over.
Our family dog would get sore paws in the spring if he was taken for walks where fertilizer had been used. He had to have his feet washed every time ha came in the house. 
And Boo Monkey, hope you get the job.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sam on October 24, 2008, 10:00:10 PM


I did lose all my Natalee Holloway files when my computer crashed when the power went out during a windstorm.  I was contemplating whether life was worth the living  (LOL) when ... I decided to phone youngest son at his place of employment (teacher).  In tears ... I frantically told him of the situation.  I was hoping he would assure me he could recover everthing.  That assurance was not forthcoming but ... he informed me that one week previous while his wife and I were having coffee and yakking in the kitchen and ... he was on my computer ... he had backed up my hard drive.  I may have lost a few files that I accumulated in that week but ... when you consider what could have been ... I was so thankful.

This guy immediately became my favorite child.  However ... I told him not to tell his siblings.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Janet


I messed that up bad so trying again.

Janet, I am so lucky and have a son as well as a daughter so I am safe in saying my favorite son or favorite daughter.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 24, 2008, 10:00:11 PM
Quote
I noticed in one of the pictures posted by MisterMichaelj I believe showed a searcher in short sleeves. I do not think that is a good idea. IMO


Sam~  MistermichaelJ didn't post the pictures, and he made a post saying so, when another monkey made the same mistake.  The credit goes to someone else, who I can't think of this sec.  They should be credited with posting the pics. 


Picture taking is not allowed in the search area, unless it's OK'ed by TES.

I don't think Invision searched with TES. I think she searched with another group

Sorry....my bad.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 10:02:50 PM

She is wearing it in the bank photo where she is cashing the bad check.

I find this tidbit interesting because I have always felt that based on Cindy's reluctance to turn over the receipts/statements, whatever was bought was alot mor eincriminating than a cross necklace.  Now if we suddenly couldn't find the cross necklace, that could be significant (buried with the body?)  But if the Anthonys still have possession of it, then I suppose I feel "let down"  hahahhaha ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe the cross wasn't the only thing she bought.

true... i did not see the broadcast so I'm wondering in what context it was even brought up...
i can't even remember...he was talking and JVM interrupted as always and it was over.

Padilla said  "KC lies to her parents & Cindy lies to the media - just like Cindy lied about the cross KC bought for Caylee after she had already disappeared."  I don't think he actually meant  to say it.  JMO
What was Cindy's lie about the cross?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 10:07:26 PM

She is wearing it in the bank photo where she is cashing the bad check.

I find this tidbit interesting because I have always felt that based on Cindy's reluctance to turn over the receipts/statements, whatever was bought was alot mor eincriminating than a cross necklace.  Now if we suddenly couldn't find the cross necklace, that could be significant (buried with the body?)  But if the Anthonys still have possession of it, then I suppose I feel "let down"  hahahhaha ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe the cross wasn't the only thing she bought.

true... i did not see the broadcast so I'm wondering in what context it was even brought up...
i can't even remember...he was talking and JVM interrupted as always and it was over.

Padilla said  "KC lies to her parents & Cindy lies to the media - just like Cindy lied about the cross KC bought for Caylee after she had already disappeared."  I don't think he actually meant  to say it.  JMO
What was Cindy's lie about the cross?

JMO - I think he meant Cindy lied to him or LE about buying the cross - I think he was getting riled up at JVM and he blurted it out.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 24, 2008, 10:08:05 PM
Its kinda slow...I say we all call Lee again...lol!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am still trying to get up the nerve.  As one Monkey said ... Lee just may answer.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

Nah, go ahead..you gotta hear Lee, he sounds just like Casey!
I am with you on that one I have wanted to call but I will admit I am a scared monkey lol ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 10:10:07 PM
Goodnight!  I can't hold my eyes open any longer....


Good Night Mammy.  Sleep Peacefully!

JP :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 10:11:24 PM
Has anyone heard anything about one of KC's friends - Andy F. - she kept calling and texting him - I believe around the 27-30th?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 24, 2008, 10:11:33 PM
Haven't seen MrsKub around for awhile, so I will remind each of you to please register at TES (only takes a minute) and post your recipes for the TES cookbook she is working on as a fund raiser.  There are currently about 250 recipes out there, and I have seen alot more monkeys here!  ::MonkeyConfused::

Here is the link:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/TES_CookBook/index.php?showforum=2 (http://z10.invisionfree.com/TES_CookBook/index.php?showforum=2)

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 10:14:44 PM
Can't keep my eyes open, going to bed now.

Just a tiny step o/t, I went for a job interview yesterday that would be a dream job for me. I need something soon or will likely lose the house. If maybe some monkeys would say a quick prayer for me it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

 ::MonkeyRoll::


Good Night BooMonkey.  Sleep Peacefully!

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 10:15:41 PM

She is wearing it in the bank photo where she is cashing the bad check.

I find this tidbit interesting because I have always felt that based on Cindy's reluctance to turn over the receipts/statements, whatever was bought was alot mor eincriminating than a cross necklace.  Now if we suddenly couldn't find the cross necklace, that could be significant (buried with the body?)  But if the Anthonys still have possession of it, then I suppose I feel "let down"  hahahhaha ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe the cross wasn't the only thing she bought.

true... i did not see the broadcast so I'm wondering in what context it was even brought up...
i can't even remember...he was talking and JVM interrupted as always and it was over.

Padilla said  "KC lies to her parents & Cindy lies to the media - just like Cindy lied about the cross KC bought for Caylee after she had already disappeared."  I don't think he actually meant  to say it.  JMO
What was Cindy's lie about the cross?

JMO - I think he meant Cindy lied to him or LE about buying the cross - I think he was getting riled up at JVM and he blurted it out.
curiouser and curiouser   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 10:16:41 PM
Can't keep my eyes open, going to bed now.

Just a tiny step o/t, I went for a job interview yesterday that would be a dream job for me. I need something soon or will likely lose the house. If maybe some monkeys would say a quick prayer for me it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

 ::MonkeyRoll::


I forgot to finish reading and now must quote twice.  You (BooMonkey) are and will remain in my Prayers until I hear that they have been answered.

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 10:17:13 PM
Its kinda slow...I say we all call Lee again...lol!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am still trying to get up the nerve.  As one Monkey said ... Lee just may answer.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

Nah, go ahead..you gotta hear Lee, he sounds just like Casey!
I am with you on that one I have wanted to call but I will admit I am a scared monkey lol ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

he never answers it and even says he doesnt on his message.  He checks his messages at night.  He is full of caca de torro about pressing charges on people who call it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 10:19:27 PM
What's his number?  I want to talk to him!!!!   Hey Lee, it's me A-1, what's happening buddy????   Maybe he is online.  Shall I put my phone no here????  Think he would call?????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 24, 2008, 10:19:44 PM
Has anyone heard anything about one of KC's friends - Andy F. - she kept calling and texting him - I believe around the 27-30th?


Not me, you are the queen of the map ping thing though, and I for one appreciate it greatly. I hope at some point we get the "rest" of the information, so that you can map that as well!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 10:20:55 PM
I am off.

Friends just phoned and invited us to come to movies with them.  Some WWI movie which does not excite me at all but ... hubby already has his jacket on so I guess we are going.

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!

Janet
6:55 PM ET




Good Night Janet.  Sleep Peacefully!

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 10:20:55 PM
What's his number?  I want to talk to him!!!!   Hey Lee, it's me A-1, what's happening buddy????   Maybe he is online.  Shall I put my phone no here????  Think he would call?????

Ask him if he helped Casey?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 10:24:33 PM
did anyone see this.. http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-122854
a national vigial scheduled


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 10:24:56 PM
Does no one else call Mr Padilla????  Lets get him on the phone too!!! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 10:25:52 PM
Does no one else call Mr Padilla????  Lets get him on the phone too!!! 

ha ha!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2008, 10:28:00 PM
Padilla did also say JCP in the same sentence.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 10:30:12 PM
Anone going to a halloween party...im going as Cindy...lol...j/k


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 10:34:31 PM
Anone going to a halloween party...im going as Cindy...lol...j/k
just carry a hammer and yell i know what i know casey is a wonderful mother.  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 24, 2008, 10:35:24 PM
What's his number?  I want to talk to him!!!!   Hey Lee, it's me A-1, what's happening buddy????   Maybe he is online.  Shall I put my phone no here????  Think he would call?????

A-1 don't you dare I don't want us monkey's having to come look for you remember what he done to that sign lmao ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 10:36:12 PM
Anone going to a halloween party...im going as Cindy...lol...j/k
just carry a hammer and yell i know what i know casey is a wonderful mother.  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::

I actually got a box and covered it with that shelf paper that looks like wood and put some knobs on it and im wearing a lampshade and going as a one nightstand.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 24, 2008, 10:39:38 PM
Anone going to a halloween party...im going as Cindy...lol...j/k
just carry a hammer and yell i know what i know casey is a wonderful mother.  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::

I actually got a box and covered it with that shelf paper that looks like wood and put some knobs on it and im wearing a lampshade and going as a one nightstand.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I admire your imagination.....good one.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 10:40:07 PM
Anone going to a halloween party...im going as Cindy...lol...j/k
just carry a hammer and yell i know what i know casey is a wonderful mother.  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::

I actually got a box and covered it with that shelf paper that looks like wood and put some knobs on it and im wearing a lampshade and going as a one nightstand.
  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance:: That's Great!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 10:41:10 PM
What's his number?  I want to talk to him!!!!   Hey Lee, it's me A-1, what's happening buddy????   Maybe he is online.  Shall I put my phone no here????  Think he would call?????

A-1 don't you dare I don't want us monkey's having to come look for you remember what he done to that sign lmao ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Well, if thats the best he's got then I say - bring that!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 24, 2008, 10:41:16 PM
Anone going to a halloween party...im going as Cindy...lol...j/k
just carry a hammer and yell i know what i know casey is a wonderful mother.  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::

I actually got a box and covered it with that shelf paper that looks like wood and put some knobs on it and im wearing a lampshade and going as a one nightstand.

Wonder if they will let Casey wear her flag on Halloween? Nope?  Guess she will have to go as a jailbird!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 10:42:00 PM
Regarding the cross -
ok I just watched NG and what LP said was something to the effect of "Cindy says that Casey bought a cross at jcp for Caylee".... and then something like "... after she had already been dead for 2 weeks"... (not an exact quote but close enough).... anyway I went away from that with the impression that he was pointing out yet another one of Cindy's lies, rather than stating that a cross was what was actually bought... jmo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 10:42:01 PM
hubbys going in a box wrapped up like a present with a big bow and tag that says FROM: GOD  TO: WOMEN


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 24, 2008, 10:43:19 PM
What's his number?  I want to talk to him!!!!   Hey Lee, it's me A-1, what's happening buddy????   Maybe he is online.  Shall I put my phone no here????  Think he would call?????

A-1 don't you dare I don't want us monkey's having to come look for you remember what he done to that sign lmao ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Well, if thats the best he's got then I say - bring that!!!

LMAO ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Have you called him yetA-1?  My luck he will be pizzy and pick the phone up and I think I would swallow mine lol ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 10:44:17 PM
What's his number?  I want to talk to him!!!!   Hey Lee, it's me A-1, what's happening buddy????   Maybe he is online.  Shall I put my phone no here????  Think he would call?????

A-1 don't you dare I don't want us monkey's having to come look for you remember what he done to that sign lmao ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Well, if thats the best he's got then I say - bring that!!!

LMAO ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Have you called him yetA-1?  My luck he will be pizzy and pick the phone up and I think I would swallow mine lol ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

all ya got to do is say sorry wrong number...he cant sue over that


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 10:45:17 PM
We're straying off topic....Halloween costumes discussions go in the Monkey Musing threads.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 10:45:22 PM
hubbys going in a box wrapped up like a present with a big bow and tag that says FROM: GOD  TO: WOMEN
OMG thats just too funny.. ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh:: i want to paty with you guys.   ::cartwheel::  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 24, 2008, 10:45:24 PM
Regarding the cross -
ok I just watched NG and what LP said was something to the effect of "Cindy says that Casey bought a cross at jcp for Caylee".... and then something like "... after she had already been dead for 2 weeks"... (not an exact quote but close enough).... anyway I went away from that with the impression that he was pointing out yet another one of Cindy's lies, rather than stating that a cross was what was actually bought... jmo


Does anyone have a link to the NG show tonight please. TIA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 10:45:29 PM
night Monkeys - ya'll try to stay out of trouble ok ?   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 24, 2008, 10:46:07 PM
Regarding the cross -
ok I just watched NG and what LP said was something to the effect of "Cindy says that Casey bought a cross at jcp for Caylee".... and then something like "... after she had already been dead for 2 weeks"... (not an exact quote but close enough).... anyway I went away from that with the impression that he was pointing out yet another one of Cindy's lies, rather than stating that a cross was what was actually bought... jmo


Does anyone have a link to the NG show tonight please. TIA

go to youtube and search for nancy grace, then filter on files uploaded today. :-)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 10:46:09 PM
Goodnight TexasBarMom


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 10:46:20 PM
did anyone see this.. http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-122854
a national vigial scheduled


It's a Wonderful and Worthy cause and I fully support it for those that are missing.  I seriously doubt that this vigil is for those that are murdered like Caylee but then I've been wrong before.  I can't voice this on the vigil site as I don't want to log in etc.  I have too much more than just this to say to them.

I've already called Lee (days ago) and forgot to block my number.  Lucky for me, I didn't leave a message. LOLLLLLLLLL

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 10:47:25 PM
We're straying off topic....Halloween costumes discussions go in the Monkey Musing threads.

im so sorry!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 24, 2008, 10:50:23 PM
This is one tired Monkey,so good night fellow cage mates.Thanks for all the work you do Muffybee. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 10:50:37 PM
night Monkeys - ya'll try to stay out of trouble ok ?   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Good Night TexasBarMom.  Sleep Peacefully!

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 10:50:50 PM
Has anyone heard anything about one of KC's friends - Andy F. - she kept calling and texting him - I believe around the 27-30th?


Not me, you are the queen of the map ping thing though, and I for one appreciate it greatly. I hope at some point we get the "rest" of the information, so that you can map that as well!!

Thank You Orchidwmn!  I really enjoy reading your posts.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 10:51:48 PM
Wreck phone call.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: strayze on October 24, 2008, 10:51:58 PM


Actually I think it may have been after the cadaver dogs had been to the Hopespring Dr address & if IIRC it was right around the time that rumors were being circulated that TES would be going to the Hopespring Dr address with cadaver dogs & at the time my thinking was that GA was possibly trying to sabotage the cadaver dogs or burn their paws as lime will do that as well.

I have never heard that lime will burn. My daddy worked in a rock quarry. they produced rocks gravel  and lime as well as other things.So he was around it daily. He also used it on our grass as well as in the garden. Us kids were always barefoot in the summer and if it would have harmed us in anyway I am sure he would never have used it. I guess now I will have to do some research. LOL


Well I am back and did some research. one of the things I read was

Skin Hazards—Lime can cause irritation and burns to unprotected skin, especially in the presence of moisture. Prolonged contact with unprotected skin should be avoided. Protective gloves and clothing that fully covers arms and legs are recommended. Particular care should be exercised with quicklime because its reaction with moisture generates heat capable of causing thermal burns.

Maybe Daddy was trying to punish all of us kids. LOL It really is a joke because Daddy was my stepfather and was the kindest most gentle man on the face of this earth. He lived for us kids.JMHO


When speaking of "lime" it's important to know whether you are speaking of true limestone known often as lime, or of kilned lime, which is lime in which the Carbonate groups of limestone have been converted to gaseous carbon dioxide to "quicklime".

Lime is CALCIUM CARBONATE, and is rather inert and neutral.  It is used for garden lime, and will not burn the grass or garden.

Quicklime is CALCIUM OXIDE, which is highly reactive to water and carbon dioxide.  It gives off heat and there is much sputtering in the process of forming calcium carbonate or "lime".  Calcium oxide has a number of useful purposes.


Please don't get these confused.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 10:52:48 PM
This is one tired Monkey,so good night fellow cage mates.Thanks for all the work you do Muffybee. ::MonkeyWink::

Goodnight trimmonthelake, and thank you.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: PJ on October 24, 2008, 10:53:25 PM
This is one tired Monkey,so good night fellow cage mates.Thanks for all the work you do Muffybee. ::MonkeyWink::


Good Night Trimmonthelake.  Sleep Peacefully!

I'm off for the night too.

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 10:53:39 PM
Well, seeing as I have been here off and on for most of the day....mostly on LOL,I think I can say good night and try to get some laundry or something done.

I am confident that with what was released before, what was released today and with the circumstantial evidence Casey is going to be convicted.I do not think they will go for DP unless they recover the remains of sweet little Caylee, but I do feel she will do alot of jail time for this, hopefully life..

Night monkeys....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 10:54:33 PM
Goodnight PJ and pleasant dreams.

Goodnight cubbee to you too...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: strayze on October 24, 2008, 10:54:52 PM


Actually I think it may have been after the cadaver dogs had been to the Hopespring Dr address & if IIRC it was right around the time that rumors were being circulated that TES would be going to the Hopespring Dr address with cadaver dogs & at the time my thinking was that GA was possibly trying to sabotage the cadaver dogs or burn their paws as lime will do that as well.

I have never heard that lime will burn. My daddy worked in a rock quarry. they produced rocks gravel  and lime as well as other things.So he was around it daily. He also used it on our grass as well as in the garden. Us kids were always barefoot in the summer and if it would have harmed us in anyway I am sure he would never have used it. I guess now I will have to do some research. LOL


Well I am back and did some research. one of the things I read was

Skin Hazards—Lime can cause irritation and burns to unprotected skin, especially in the presence of moisture. Prolonged contact with unprotected skin should be avoided. Protective gloves and clothing that fully covers arms and legs are recommended. Particular care should be exercised with quicklime because its reaction with moisture generates heat capable of causing thermal burns.

Maybe Daddy was trying to punish all of us kids. LOL It really is a joke because Daddy was my stepfather and was the kindest most gentle man on the face of this earth. He lived for us kids.JMHO


When speaking of "lime" it's important to know whether you are speaking of true limestone known often as lime, or of kilned lime, which is lime in which the Carbonate groups of limestone have been converted to gaseous carbon dioxide to "quicklime".

Lime is CALCIUM CARBONATE, and is rather inert and neutral.  It is used for garden lime, and will not burn the grass or garden.

Quicklime is CALCIUM OXIDE, which is highly reactive to water and carbon dioxide.  It gives off heat and there is much sputtering in the process of forming calcium carbonate or "lime".  Calcium oxide has a number of useful purposes.


Please don't get these confused.


Lime (calcium carbonate) does not burn the skin either, but calcium oxide (sometimes called quicklime) will.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 10:57:57 PM
did anyone see this.. http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-122854
a national vigial scheduled


It's a Wonderful and Worthy cause and I fully support it for those that are missing.  I seriously doubt that this vigil is for those that are murdered like Caylee but then I've been wrong before.  I can't voice this on the vigil site as I don't want to log in etc.  I have too much more than just this to say to them.

I've already called Lee (days ago) and forgot to block my number.  Lucky for me, I didn't leave a message. LOLLLLLLLLL

PJ :flower:
it says it's posted by helping hero...is that someone from SM...i've heard that name somewhere.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 10:58:39 PM
Thanks for the information/clarification strayze.  It doesn't look like "Sam" is on the forum right now, but I hope she will see what you have posted.  I will try to point it out to her next time she's on, if I can remember.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 11:00:47 PM
SM doesn't currently have a poster named "helping hero" in the register of members. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:01:11 PM


Actually I think it may have been after the cadaver dogs had been to the Hopespring Dr address & if IIRC it was right around the time that rumors were being circulated that TES would be going to the Hopespring Dr address with cadaver dogs & at the time my thinking was that GA was possibly trying to sabotage the cadaver dogs or burn their paws as lime will do that as well.

I have never heard that lime will burn. My daddy worked in a rock quarry. they produced rocks gravel  and lime as well as other things.So he was around it daily. He also used it on our grass as well as in the garden. Us kids were always barefoot in the summer and if it would have harmed us in anyway I am sure he would never have used it. I guess now I will have to do some research. LOL


Well I am back and did some research. one of the things I read was

Skin Hazards—Lime can cause irritation and burns to unprotected skin, especially in the presence of moisture. Prolonged contact with unprotected skin should be avoided. Protective gloves and clothing that fully covers arms and legs are recommended. Particular care should be exercised with quicklime because its reaction with moisture generates heat capable of causing thermal burns.

Maybe Daddy was trying to punish all of us kids. LOL It really is a joke because Daddy was my stepfather and was the kindest most gentle man on the face of this earth. He lived for us kids.JMHO


When speaking of "lime" it's important to know whether you are speaking of true limestone known often as lime, or of kilned lime, which is lime in which the Carbonate groups of limestone have been converted to gaseous carbon dioxide to "quicklime".

Lime is CALCIUM CARBONATE, and is rather inert and neutral.  It is used for garden lime, and will not burn the grass or garden.

Quicklime is CALCIUM OXIDE, which is highly reactive to water and carbon dioxide.  It gives off heat and there is much sputtering in the process of forming calcium carbonate or "lime".  Calcium oxide has a number of useful purposes.


Please don't get these confused.


Lime (calcium carbonate) does not burn the skin either, but calcium oxide (sometimes called quicklime) will.

We have caleche roads in texas and i thought it was made from limerock so it must not be bad for you.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 11:02:05 PM
When


Actually I think it may have been after the cadaver dogs had been to the Hopespring Dr address & if IIRC it was right around the time that rumors were being circulated that TES would be going to the Hopespring Dr address with cadaver dogs & at the time my thinking was that GA was possibly trying to sabotage the cadaver dogs or burn their paws as lime will do that as well.

I have never heard that lime will burn. My daddy worked in a rock quarry. they produced rocks gravel  and lime as well as other things.So he was around it daily. He also used it on our grass as well as in the garden. Us kids were always barefoot in the summer and if it would have harmed us in anyway I am sure he would never have used it. I guess now I will have to do some research. LOL


Well I am back and did some research. one of the things I read was

Skin Hazards—Lime can cause irritation and burns to unprotected skin, especially in the presence of moisture. Prolonged contact with unprotected skin should be avoided. Protective gloves and clothing that fully covers arms and legs are recommended. Particular care should be exercised with quicklime because its reaction with moisture generates heat capable of causing thermal burns.

Maybe Daddy was trying to punish all of us kids. LOL It really is a joke because Daddy was my stepfather and was the kindest most gentle man on the face of this earth. He lived for us kids.JMHO


When speaking of "lime" it's important to know whether you are speaking of true limestone known often as lime, or of kilned lime, which is lime in which the Carbonate groups of limestone have been converted to gaseous carbon dioxide to "quicklime".

Lime is CALCIUM CARBONATE, and is rather inert and neutral.  It is used for garden lime, and will not burn the grass or garden.

Quicklime is CALCIUM OXIDE, which is highly reactive to water and carbon dioxide.  It gives off heat and there is much sputtering in the process of forming calcium carbonate or "lime".  Calcium oxide has a number of useful purposes.


Please don't get these confused.


Lime (calcium carbonate) does not burn the skin either, but calcium oxide (sometimes called quicklime) will.
When I was little I stayed on my Grandfathers farm.  He put lime in the outhouses.  Which kind was that???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 11:03:20 PM
Quote
it says it's posted by helping hero...is that someone from SM...i've heard that name somewhere.

There isn't a poster named "helping hero" in the membership register right now.  Maybe they have posted on the front page?  :smt102


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 11:03:29 PM
nope....lol...I checked first thing after the vigil site was posted lol :batman:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 11:04:30 PM
nope....lol...I checked first thing after the vigil site was posted lol :batman:

 :salut:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 24, 2008, 11:04:36 PM
When


Actually I think it may have been after the cadaver dogs had been to the Hopespring Dr address & if IIRC it was right around the time that rumors were being circulated that TES would be going to the Hopespring Dr address with cadaver dogs & at the time my thinking was that GA was possibly trying to sabotage the cadaver dogs or burn their paws as lime will do that as well.

I have never heard that lime will burn. My daddy worked in a rock quarry. they produced rocks gravel  and lime as well as other things.So he was around it daily. He also used it on our grass as well as in the garden. Us kids were always barefoot in the summer and if it would have harmed us in anyway I am sure he would never have used it. I guess now I will have to do some research. LOL


Well I am back and did some research. one of the things I read was

Skin Hazards—Lime can cause irritation and burns to unprotected skin, especially in the presence of moisture. Prolonged contact with unprotected skin should be avoided. Protective gloves and clothing that fully covers arms and legs are recommended. Particular care should be exercised with quicklime because its reaction with moisture generates heat capable of causing thermal burns.

Maybe Daddy was trying to punish all of us kids. LOL It really is a joke because Daddy was my stepfather and was the kindest most gentle man on the face of this earth. He lived for us kids.JMHO


When speaking of "lime" it's important to know whether you are speaking of true limestone known often as lime, or of kilned lime, which is lime in which the Carbonate groups of limestone have been converted to gaseous carbon dioxide to "quicklime".

Lime is CALCIUM CARBONATE, and is rather inert and neutral.  It is used for garden lime, and will not burn the grass or garden.

Quicklime is CALCIUM OXIDE, which is highly reactive to water and carbon dioxide.  It gives off heat and there is much sputtering in the process of forming calcium carbonate or "lime".  Calcium oxide has a number of useful purposes.


Please don't get these confused.


Lime (calcium carbonate) does not burn the skin either, but calcium oxide (sometimes called quicklime) will.
When I was little I stayed on my Grandfathers farm.  He put lime in the outhouses.  Which kind was that???

STINKY LOL ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 11:05:35 PM
I have seen the name before too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 11:07:58 PM
I am at 3000 posts and Klaasend is not here to give me a prize.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 11:08:42 PM
Quote
it says it's posted by helping hero...is that someone from SM...i've heard that name somewhere.

There isn't a poster named "helping hero" in the membership register right now.  Maybe they have posted on the front page?  :smt102
OK, thanks    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: JustMeT on October 24, 2008, 11:10:00 PM
I prolly wont call it but is Lee's num posted?
Guess he has another line he answers?
Has he been located?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:10:11 PM
I am at 3000 posts and Klaasend is not here to give me a prize.

Awe....I congradulate Always on 3000 informative and entertaining posts!  Hows that ?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 24, 2008, 11:10:55 PM
I am at 3000 posts and Klaasend is not here to give me a prize.
 

Poor kitty lol muffybee can u give her a prize??

Please excuse typing and spelling tonight went back to ER and they gave me new pain meds!!

Has anyone seriously though what could be going through Casey's head 23 hrs a day locked up in that little cell?  Has she excepted any visits from anyone yet??

On what grounds did JB file to get the car thrown out??  TIA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 11:11:23 PM
I am at 3000 posts and Klaasend is not here to give me a prize.

Awe....I congradulate Always on 3000 informative and entertaining posts!  Hows that ?
Thank you.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 11:12:52 PM
The term HelpingHero is all over google as a co-op for child care....  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: angoramonkey on October 24, 2008, 11:13:40 PM
Quote
it says it's posted by helping hero...is that someone from SM...i've heard that name somewhere.

There isn't a poster named "helping hero" in the membership register right now.  Maybe they have posted on the front page?  :smt102

Hi Monkeys!
I'm new, have been reading here for along time though.
I think the name helping hero sounds familiar because of the website
Helping Heros dot com, it's run by some Anthony fanatic, named Michelle Bart (Burque real name)
Hope this helps


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:14:25 PM
The term HelpingHero is all over google as a co-op for child care....  ::MonkeyEek::

Do yall remember when you were little the helping hands in the windows of some houses for you to go to if you were in trouble?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Lisa39 on October 24, 2008, 11:14:52 PM
Quote
it says it's posted by helping hero...is that someone from SM...i've heard that name somewhere.

There isn't a poster named "helping hero" in the membership register right now.  Maybe they have posted on the front page?  :smt102

Hi Monkeys!
I'm new, have been reading here for along time though.
I think the name helping hero sounds familiar because of the website
Helping Heros dot com, it's run by some Anthony fanatic, named Michelle Bart (Burque real name)
Hope this helps

Hello and Welcome to the cage great info as well I must say!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:15:41 PM
Welcome Angora monkey! :smt006


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: angoramonkey on October 24, 2008, 11:16:02 PM
Forgot the link to the site
http://www.helpfindcaylee.blogspot.com/
http://www.helpingheroes.com/


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 24, 2008, 11:16:29 PM
ahhhhhhhh ..... I forgot about that....around here they were called "Block Mothers"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 11:16:44 PM
The term HelpingHero is all over google as a co-op for child care....  ::MonkeyEek::



errrrrrr......scratch that...not the same, lol.

Here is more on HelpingHero:
http://www.ireport.com/people/HelpingHero


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 11:17:16 PM
Hi Monkeys.  It's quiet here tonight.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 11:17:34 PM
The term HelpingHero is all over google as a co-op for child care....  ::MonkeyEek::
there is actually a picture of someone and it says orlando, fl....don't know if that means her or caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 11:17:56 PM
http://www.helpingheroes.com/


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: bikerbev on October 24, 2008, 11:18:43 PM
Regarding the cross -
ok I just watched NG and what LP said was something to the effect of "Cindy says that Casey bought a cross at jcp for Caylee".... and then something like "... after she had already been dead for 2 weeks"... (not an exact quote but close enough).... anyway I went away from that with the impression that he was pointing out yet another one of Cindy's lies, rather than stating that a cross was what was actually bought... jmo

That was the first time I heard that about the cross.  It just came out of the blue...so what is that all about??  Bought a cross for Caylee?  Huh?  What did CA do with it?  Take it to her grave site or is she wearing it or what?  There is so much more the police have in evidence that we haven't even touched on yet.  It's going to be very interesting when ALL the evidence comes out.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 11:19:41 PM
The term HelpingHero is all over google as a co-op for child care....  ::MonkeyEek::



errrrrrr......scratch that...not the same, lol.

Here is more on HelpingHero:
http://www.ireport.com/people/HelpingHero

ok, now i know where i heard it...thanks  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 11:20:42 PM
That might have been the rosary Casey was wearing around her neck.  I doubt Cindy knows the difference between a "cross" and a rosary.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: JustMeT on October 24, 2008, 11:22:33 PM
Regarding the cross -
ok I just watched NG and what LP said was something to the effect of "Cindy says that Casey bought a cross at jcp for Caylee".... and then something like "... after she had already been dead for 2 weeks"... (not an exact quote but close enough).... anyway I went away from that with the impression that he was pointing out yet another one of Cindy's lies, rather than stating that a cross was what was actually bought... jmo

That was the first time I heard that about the cross.  It just came out of the blue...so what is that all about??  Bought a cross for Caylee?  Huh?  What did CA do with it?  Take it to her grave site or is she wearing it or what?  There is so much more the police have in evidence that we haven't even touched on yet.  It's going to be very interesting when ALL the evidence comes out.

LP reminds me of Jossy in Aruba. Always throwing stuff out there in the mix. Good intentions I'm thinking but it drives me nuts. Lol.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 11:22:40 PM
http://www.myspace.com/helpingheroes


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 11:22:41 PM
Always-1 Congrats on your 3000th post

(http://www.forumspile.com/ThatIs-Nice.jphg.jpg) (http://www.forumspile.com/)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 11:23:43 PM
That might have been the rosary Casey was wearing around her neck.  I doubt Cindy knows the difference between a "cross" and a rosary.


I mentioned that earlier.....I think that is what the 'cross' was.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 24, 2008, 11:24:28 PM
Always-1 Congrats on your 3000th post

(http://www.forumspile.com/ThatIs-Nice.jphg.jpg) (http://www.forumspile.com/)

Thanks Muffy!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 11:24:38 PM
MUFFYyyyyyyyyy...it is 11:30 here...are you going to stay till Klaas gets back? I am sleeeppyyy  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shoperoo on October 24, 2008, 11:24:52 PM

I don't think so.  All evidence is not reproducible. That is nothing new.  Baez can complain all he wants but he still has to explain how there was HUMAN decomp in the trunk of a car he has said was in the control of Casey Anthony.  Trace evidence is nothing new.  It is up to the prosecution to PROVE their case.  The defense can only try to put doubt in the jury's mind.  Again...explain to the jury how HUMAN decomp got in the trunk other than it being Caylee.  Casey is not dead and the chances of it being anyone else is remote.  Common sense is all they need to use...science does not lie.  Only the defense gets that freedom.
Good!  So Baez can not use this to disprove the evidence?  Saying "Hey I did not get to have my people test it" will not have the evidence thrown out?  I was worried about that.  I understand having his own people on the stand to dispute the evidence, I knew that.  I just wanted to be sure that he can not cry "foul" when their is no evidence left for tests.

Baez is in between the proverbial rock and hard place. He gave too many soundbites to the media about his client's total innocence and implying she had a plausible story, yet to be heard.
He also perpetuated the myth that Caylee is alive. ................His inexperience showed big time in his dealings with the press.

A seasoned trial Lawyer presented with such damning circumstantial evidence would (IMO)know when to be quiet.

Despite his ludicrous claim that when she shows her cards, ''we'd all understand'', Casey wont be allowed to testify.......................she's a proven liar and her preposterous Zanny the Nanny story is a non starter.  If she insists on claiming the kidnapping story, then Baez is left with no other other strategy than to try and discredit the state's evidence.and hope he can get reasonable doubt.  That's him doing his job. 

Of course if he really has his client's best interest at heart, I'd surmise he had already privately suggested she fess up and go for a plea.  Not his fault if she doesn't go for it.

Don't see an OJ result for this creature but Baez can write his book and do the talk show circuit.
so he'll be alright. :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

Interesting that Ma and Pa Anthony are so paranoid about potential taped interviews that they haven't visited their beloved daughter in jail, nor has she made one call out. :roll:

As for Lee..........I know there's forum specualtion about Caylee's father........I personally dont go for that.  Padilla makes some dangerous claims at times.  Imo he's keeping a low profile which suggests  he's not prepared to publicly endorse the Caylee is alive  rhetoric. He wont toe the Cindy Anthony Line.   She who must be obeyed................Unlike her apology of a husband.

It really is quite revealing, if you go back and listen to George's taped interview with the Police and the rubbish he is spouting today.................. ::MonkeyShocked:: No accident he was the star witness for the grand jury. To say he ran off at the mouth would be an understatement. What a peach for the State.

http://www.truveo.com/14-George-Anthonys-Police-Interview-Casey-Caylee/id/3468794479

All of course JMHO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: FL Beagle Mom on October 24, 2008, 11:25:59 PM
From MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27361545/

No usable finger prints were found on a shovel in the trunk.

There was a shovel in the trunk? I thought the shovel tested was the neighbors.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 11:29:08 PM
MUFFYyyyyyyyyy...it is 11:30 here...are you going to stay till Klaas gets back? I am sleeeppyyy  ::MonkeyWaa::

Nut ~  PM please (and I don't mean night time.)   LOL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: angoramonkey on October 24, 2008, 11:29:51 PM
Thanks for the welcome
I'll be back tomorrow, I'm having some problems with my connection tonight.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 11:30:07 PM
From MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27361545/

No usable finger prints were found on a shovel in the trunk.

There was a shovel in the trunk? I thought the shovel tested was the neighbors.


Ya know, I have not heard anyone say where Casey got the shovel that was in the trunk.  She returned the neighbor's shovel, so I don't think it's his.  Maybe she bought it?  Maybe it's one of the Anthony's.  If it had a wooden handle, they would not get any good prints off of it.  People using shovels often wear gloves, too, so that might be part of it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 11:30:55 PM
Thanks for the welcome
I'll be back tomorrow, I'm having some problems with my connection tonight.


I'm sorry I didn't see you come in angoramonkey.  Welcome to Scared Monkeys.  Goodnight and hope to see you tomorrow.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 24, 2008, 11:30:59 PM
We're straying off topic....Halloween costumes discussions go in the Monkey Musing threads.

im so sorry!

OK...so I was impressed with someone's imagination....is that so bad when things are slow?  It's like BooMonkey's dream job...is that something that.....

Muffy, we need a side bar (sidebar)...you know those thingies..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 11:32:14 PM
From MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27361545/

No usable finger prints were found on a shovel in the trunk.

There was a shovel in the trunk? I thought the shovel tested was the neighbors.


I wonder if that is a misprint or there really wa a shovel found in the trunk....if there was a shovel in the trunk that's a BOMBSHELL!!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:33:17 PM
We're straying off topic....Halloween costumes discussions go in the Monkey Musing threads.

im so sorry!

OK...so I was impressed with someone's imagination....is that so bad when things are slow?  It's like BooMonkey's dream job...is that something that.....

Muffy, we need a side bar (sidebar)...you know those thingies..

hee hee..welllll the Anthonys remind me of halloween!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kcrn on October 24, 2008, 11:34:24 PM
Can't keep my eyes open, going to bed now.

Just a tiny step o/t, I went for a job interview yesterday that would be a dream job for me. I need something soon or will likely lose the house. If maybe some monkeys would say a quick prayer for me it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

 ::MonkeyRoll::
Saying prayers for u boo ::MonkeyWink::


I forgot to finish reading and now must quote twice.  You (BooMonkey) are and will remain in my Prayers until I hear that they have been answered.

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 24, 2008, 11:34:31 PM
From MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27361545/

No usable finger prints were found on a shovel in the trunk.

There was a shovel in the trunk? I thought the shovel tested was the neighbors.


I wonder if that is a misprint or there really wa a shovel found in the trunk....if there was a shovel in the trunk that's a BOMBSHELL!!  ::MonkeyWink::
Not even Casey is THAT dumb! I say mistake on MSNBC's part!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 11:34:32 PM
From MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27361545/

No usable finger prints were found on a shovel in the trunk.

There was a shovel in the trunk? I thought the shovel tested was the neighbors.


I wonder if that is a misprint or there really wa a shovel found in the trunk....if there was a shovel in the trunk that's a BOMBSHELL!!  ::MonkeyWink::
Well...I don't know about BOMBSHELL, but it is new info.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: FL Beagle Mom on October 24, 2008, 11:34:42 PM
From MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27361545/

No usable finger prints were found on a shovel in the trunk.

There was a shovel in the trunk? I thought the shovel tested was the neighbors.


I wonder if that is a misprint or there really wa a shovel found in the trunk....if there was a shovel in the trunk that's a BOMBSHELL!!  ::MonkeyWink::

I hope it's not a misprint... that man who thought he saw Casey coming out of the woods with a shovel....could be.

As far as i remember Casey gave the shovel back to the neighbor.  I was hoping there was something more on it.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 11:35:07 PM
LOL 2NJ.....you mean like the thingy BFN has?? OVer to the right...type n' send, lol??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 11:35:36 PM
We're straying off topic....Halloween costumes discussions go in the Monkey Musing threads.

im so sorry!

OK...so I was impressed with someone's imagination....is that so bad when things are slow?  It's like BooMonkey's dream job...is that something that.....

Muffy, we need a side bar (sidebar)...you know those thingies..

PM sent


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 24, 2008, 11:38:57 PM
From MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27361545/

No usable finger prints were found on a shovel in the trunk.

There was a shovel in the trunk? I thought the shovel tested was the neighbors.


I wonder if that is a misprint or there really wa a shovel found in the trunk....if there was a shovel in the trunk that's a BOMBSHELL!!  ::MonkeyWink::
Well...I don't know about BOMBSHELL, but it is new info.
just trying to be funny  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:39:18 PM
We're straying off topic....Halloween costumes discussions go in the Monkey Musing threads.

im so sorry!

OK...so I was impressed with someone's imagination....is that so bad when things are slow?  It's like BooMonkey's dream job...is that something that.....

Muffy, we need a side bar (sidebar)...you know those thingies..

PM sent

OK whats that mean?? Am I in trouble???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2008, 11:40:08 PM
I wonder if that is a misprint or there really wa a shovel found in the trunk....if there was a shovel in the trunk that's a BOMBSHELL!!  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: lol...that is news to me too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 11:42:58 PM
Muffy, thank you for the kitty picture and the congrats!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 11:45:29 PM
Goodnight monkeys.  Anyone think Casy is rethinking what she did and wants out - really really bad and would do anything to change it???  I bet she is asking Baez, what can we do just to get me out of here - anything at all.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: shoperoo on October 24, 2008, 11:45:59 PM
From MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27361545/

No usable finger prints were found on a shovel in the trunk.

Looks like someone did a pretty good cleanup job in that trunk..............Cindy?????  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 24, 2008, 11:46:34 PM
LOL 2NJ.....you mean like the thingy BFN has?? OVer to the right...type n' send, lol??

No, I'm registered but never post... ::MonkeyHaHa::  Have no idea....I was just thinking of court stuff...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2008, 11:47:18 PM
Goodnight monkeys.  Anyone think Casy is rethinking what she did and wants out - really really bad and would do anything to change it???  I bet she is asking Baez, what can we do just to get me out of here - anything at all.
Probably.  But I think they told her this was the end of the line--no bail this time.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 11:47:22 PM
We're straying off topic....Halloween costumes discussions go in the Monkey Musing threads.

im so sorry!

OK...so I was impressed with someone's imagination....is that so bad when things are slow?  It's like BooMonkey's dream job...is that something that.....

Muffy, we need a side bar (sidebar)...you know those thingies..

PM sent

OK whats that mean?? Am I in trouble???

No Katntx, it's all good.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 24, 2008, 11:47:33 PM
Goodnight monkeys.  Anyone think Casy is rethinking what she did and wants out - really really bad and would do anything to change it???  I bet she is asking Baez, what can we do just to get me out of here - anything at all.
The ONLY thing she could "get out of now" is the death penalty. That's gonna take a confession.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 24, 2008, 11:47:54 PM
We're straying off topic....Halloween costumes discussions go in the Monkey Musing threads.

im so sorry!

OK...so I was impressed with someone's imagination....is that so bad when things are slow?  It's like BooMonkey's dream job...is that something that.....

Muffy, we need a side bar (sidebar)...you know those thingies..

PM sent

OK whats that mean?? Am I in trouble???

No...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 11:48:05 PM
Goodnight monkeys.  Anyone think Casy is rethinking what she did and wants out - really really bad and would do anything to change it???  I bet she is asking Baez, what can we do just to get me out of here - anything at all.
Probably.  But I think they told her this was the end of the line--no bail this time.

Yep.... you can't unring a bell...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 24, 2008, 11:49:46 PM
ok so just some secret global moderator james bond talk....whew!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 24, 2008, 11:49:46 PM
Goodnight monkeys.  Anyone think Casy is rethinking what she did and wants out - really really bad and would do anything to change it???  I bet she is asking Baez, what can we do just to get me out of here - anything at all.
The ONLY thing she could "get out of now" is the death penalty. That's gonna take a confession.
What a waste, a total waste!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2008, 11:52:24 PM
Headed for the monkey bunkey. Goodnight  :smt015


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 24, 2008, 11:55:03 PM
Headed for the monkey bunkey. Goodnight  :smt015
You want me to wield the hammer??? Are there any mods left??  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: cubbeegirl on October 24, 2008, 11:55:49 PM
Headed for the monkey bunkey. Goodnight  :smt015


Night Muffy.... I am out too....for real this time...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 25, 2008, 12:01:59 AM
Headed for the monkey bunkey. Goodnight  :smt015


Night Muffy.... I am out too....for real this time...

Hi cubbee, are you still here? TY and you have a reply!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 25, 2008, 12:02:14 AM
ok so just some secret global moderator james bond talk....whew!

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 12:03:30 AM
Nut's still here......... dropping hammer and slinking away.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mytime on October 25, 2008, 12:03:36 AM
Hi marymary,  just wanted to say!!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 25, 2008, 12:03:40 AM
I see nothing new, but this was updated @ 11:27 PM
Forensic Evidence Confirms Decomposing Body
Friday, October 24, 2008 11:27:36 PM

ORLANDO -- The state revealed some of the evidence in the case against Casey Anthony Friday.

Newly-released forensic results confirm a decomposing body was in the trunk of the car of the missing girl's mother.

However, only two hairs were found -- one in the trunk, the other strand of hair on a shovel. The hair on the shovel doesn't match Casey or Caylee.

Meanwhile, the air samples show decomposition, but could be the weakest link in the case because it's new scientific research.
   
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

The spokesperson for Casey Anthony's attorney Jose Baez said, “Ttoday's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother and father and Jose Baez continue to believe Caylee is still alive."

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/24/forensic_evidence_released_in_caylee_case.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 25, 2008, 12:04:38 AM
EquuSearch Looking For Volunteers
The Texas-based group, who plans to return next month for another search for Caylee, said it's looking for volunteers.

EquuSearch said it needs former members of the military, law enforcement, or firefighters to serve as leaders for the search.

The group is expecting up to 3,000 volunteers to show up when they begin looking for Caylee on Nov. 8.

EquuSearch has been in Central Florida twice in the past, but called off their search because of wet conditions.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/24/forensic_evidence_released_in_caylee_case.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 25, 2008, 12:05:37 AM
Wreck.... lmao  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 25, 2008, 12:06:36 AM
KKKKKKKKKK.......nite all!! Klaas, hope you had a great evening!! See ya tomorrowwwwww~!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 25, 2008, 12:07:08 AM
Don't throw nanners at me ::MonkeyNoNo:: I've read posts on here that pm's caused problems in the past - was wondering how long ago that was and if it was possibly to try them out again? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2008, 12:09:33 AM
Don't throw nanners at me ::MonkeyNoNo:: I've read posts on here that pm's caused problems in the past - was wondering how long ago that was and if it was possibly to try them out again? ::MonkeyCool::

They are inactive, KCJackie.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 25, 2008, 12:12:15 AM
good night all you sleepy heads and thanks moderators!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 12:13:43 AM
KKKKKKKKKK.......nite all!! Klaas, hope you had a great evening!! See ya tomorrowwwwww~!!

Thanks NUT - have a good nite!  I skipped ahead so hopefully I didn't miss much.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 12:14:12 AM
Don't throw nanners at me ::MonkeyNoNo:: I've read posts on here that pm's caused problems in the past - was wondering how long ago that was and if it was possibly to try them out again? ::MonkeyCool::

It was OVER 3 years ago and NO, pm's will not be allowed at SM. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 25, 2008, 12:14:23 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 25, 2008, 12:16:51 AM
Don't throw nanners at me ::MonkeyNoNo:: I've read posts on here that pm's caused problems in the past - was wondering how long ago that was and if it was possibly to try them out again? ::MonkeyCool::

It was OVER 3 years ago and NO, pm's will not be allowed at SM. 

can the moderators pm tho...so they can alert each other for the  bad people on here like me...lol!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 25, 2008, 12:21:01 AM
O/T
Klaas? Please check messages? TIA!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 25, 2008, 12:21:30 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I'm thinking GA cleaned the trunk - but someone had to have helped - even if they didn't realize it at the time - like giving her rides, etc.  I'm still wondering why she was wanting Amy to buy the gas can on the 30th - instead of just going and getting one herself.  I'm still trying to find out who the dark haired guy in the truck was @ the Anthony's - the one the neighbor reported seeing.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 25, 2008, 12:22:46 AM
The term HelpingHero is all over google as a co-op for child care....  ::MonkeyEek::

Do yall remember when you were little the helping hands in the windows of some houses for you to go to if you were in trouble?

Sorry, I don't remember that far back..... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: West Coast Monkey on October 25, 2008, 12:25:41 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I'm going with George or Jesse...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 12:27:20 AM
The term HelpingHero is all over google as a co-op for child care....  ::MonkeyEek::

Do yall remember when you were little the helping hands in the windows of some houses for you to go to if you were in trouble?

Sorry, I don't remember that far back..... ::MonkeyHaHa::


sniff sniff!

I remember  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 25, 2008, 12:28:26 AM
The term HelpingHero is all over google as a co-op for child care....  ::MonkeyEek::

Do yall remember when you were little the helping hands in the windows of some houses for you to go to if you were in trouble?

Sorry, I don't remember that far back..... ::MonkeyHaHa::


sniff sniff!

I remember  ::MonkeyCool::

They should do that again so kids have a safe house to go to.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 25, 2008, 12:28:35 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I'm thinking GA cleaned the trunk i agree- but someone had to have helped - even if they didn't realize it at the time - like giving her rides, etci agree.  I'm still wondering why she was wanting Amy to buy the gas can on the 30th me too- instead of just going and getting one herself.  I'm still trying to find out who the dark haired guy in the truck was @ the Anthony's lee, there was a picture of a truck outside of his house- the one the neighbor reported seeing.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2008, 12:28:59 AM
Klaas, can you give me a link to the pic of the dumpster?  Not the one at Amscot.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2008, 12:29:54 AM
We've been talking about it at Murt's and wanted to see the pic, but I can't find it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 12:30:43 AM
Klaas, can you give me a link to the pic of the dumpster?  Not the one at Amscot.

Yeah, give me a sec


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 25, 2008, 12:32:36 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I'm thinking GA cleaned the trunk i agree- but someone had to have helped - even if they didn't realize it at the time - like giving her rides, etci agree.  I'm still wondering why she was wanting Amy to buy the gas can on the 30th me too- instead of just going and getting one herself.  I'm still trying to find out who the dark haired guy in the truck was @ the Anthony's lee, there was a picture of a truck outside of his house- the one the neighbor reported seeing.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Wouldn't the neighbor have realized it was Lee?   :smt102


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 12:33:02 AM
Klaas, can you give me a link to the pic of the dumpster?  Not the one at Amscot.

Yeah, give me a sec


(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/IMG_0348_small.jpg)

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/IMG_0347_small.jpg)


More pics here:


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/04/texas-equusearch-continues-the-search-for-missing-caylee-anthony-exclusive-pics/


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2008, 12:34:32 AM
Thanks, Klaas.  That helps.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 25, 2008, 12:36:38 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I'm thinking GA cleaned the trunk i agree- but someone had to have helped - even if they didn't realize it at the time - like giving her rides, etci agree.  I'm still wondering why she was wanting Amy to buy the gas can on the 30th me too- instead of just going and getting one herself.  I'm still trying to find out who the dark haired guy in the truck was @ the Anthony's lee, there was a picture of a truck outside of his house- the one the neighbor reported seeing.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Wouldn't the neighbor have realized it was Lee?   :smt102
good point...did he say if he got a good look at him...maybe lee never drives the truck to their house and the neighbor didn't see him very well.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 25, 2008, 12:37:25 AM
We're straying off topic....Halloween costumes discussions go in the Monkey Musing threads.

im so sorry!

OK...so I was impressed with someone's imagination....is that so bad when things are slow?  It's like BooMonkey's dream job...is that something that.....

Muffy, we need a side bar (sidebar)...you know those thingies..

PM sent

OK whats that mean?? Am I in trouble???

If I were you...I'd start packing my bags!  :smt021







 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 12:40:42 AM
Klaas, can you give me a link to the pic of the dumpster?  Not the one at Amscot.

Yeah, give me a sec


(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/IMG_0348_small.jpg)

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/IMG_0347_small.jpg)


More pics here:


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/04/texas-equusearch-continues-the-search-for-missing-caylee-anthony-exclusive-pics/

Okay, I know that the DA must release immediately all info that was presented to the Grand Jury. I also know that once a person is charged, the DA must make their "discovery" known to the Defense. My question is WHEN?? Is it as they receive it? Is it a month before trial?  Must be some lawyers here! What ever happened to "Vivi" (my neighbor in Dallas)??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 25, 2008, 12:43:28 AM
The term HelpingHero is all over google as a co-op for child care....  ::MonkeyEek::

Do yall remember when you were little the helping hands in the windows of some houses for you to go to if you were in trouble?

Sorry, I don't remember that far back..... ::MonkeyHaHa::


sniff sniff!

I remember  ::MonkeyCool::

They should do that again so kids have a safe house to go to.

Here in Florida, places like 7-11 and Fire Depts, still have the signs with the two hands for those who are looking for a "Safe place".


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 25, 2008, 12:45:01 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I'm thinking GA cleaned the trunk i agree- but someone had to have helped - even if they didn't realize it at the time - like giving her rides, etci agree.  I'm still wondering why she was wanting Amy to buy the gas can on the 30th me too- instead of just going and getting one herself.  I'm still trying to find out who the dark haired guy in the truck was @ the Anthony's lee, there was a picture of a truck outside of his house- the one the neighbor reported seeing.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Wouldn't the neighbor have realized it was Lee?   :smt102
good point...did he say if he got a good look at him...maybe lee never drives the truck to their house and the neighbor didn't see him very well.

Anything is possible.  I also read in JG transcript last night that he drives a truck.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 12:45:02 AM
The term HelpingHero is all over google as a co-op for child care....  ::MonkeyEek::

Do yall remember when you were little the helping hands in the windows of some houses for you to go to if you were in trouble?

Sorry, I don't remember that far back..... ::MonkeyHaHa::


sniff sniff!

I remember  ::MonkeyCool::

They should do that again so kids have a safe house to go to.

Here in Florida, places like 7-11 and Fire Depts, still have the signs with the two hands for those who are looking for a "Safe place".
We had them here in Texas -- but, I have not seen them in a looong time!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 25, 2008, 12:47:09 AM
IF Caylee was killed at the Anthonys I hope they bull doze that house.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 12:47:30 AM
Also about "Safe Place" signs -- they were in neighborhood houses. My question was always: "who screens the 'safe houses'?? Seems like Pervs would put a sign in their own window!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 25, 2008, 12:49:31 AM
Also about "Safe Place" signs -- they were in neighborhood houses. My question was always: "who screens the 'safe houses'?? Seems like Pervs would put a sign in their own window!!!

I was thinking the same thing Wreck.   What's to keep a perv from putting their own sign in the window?   I too live in Texas and remember the Safe Place signs with the hands. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 25, 2008, 12:50:07 AM
I remember them from the early 70s and I was thinking it had something to do with PTA but I might be wrong.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 25, 2008, 12:53:07 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I'm thinking GA cleaned the trunk i agree- but someone had to have helped - even if they didn't realize it at the time - like giving her rides, etci agree.  I'm still wondering why she was wanting Amy to buy the gas can on the 30th me too- instead of just going and getting one herself.  I'm still trying to find out who the dark haired guy in the truck was @ the Anthony's lee, there was a picture of a truck outside of his house- the one the neighbor reported seeing.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Wouldn't the neighbor have realized it was Lee?   :smt102
good point...did he say if he got a good look at him...maybe lee never drives the truck to their house and the neighbor didn't see him very well.

Anything is possible.  I also read in JG transcript last night that he drives a truck.
i just scanned his transcript and he says that he didn't recognize the man but he only saw him for a split second as he was walking in the house.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 25, 2008, 12:53:09 AM
Mytime
Sorry, I just got back from sleuthing, how are you?   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 12:54:30 AM
I remember them from the early 70s and I was thinking it had something to do with PTA but I might be wrong.
As a child of the late 60's and 70's -- we knew the houses in our neighborhod that were "safe". I don't think there were ANY homes that I was "afraid of" on my own street. (I actually lived on the same street as my grade school!)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 25, 2008, 12:57:38 AM
Apparently the hand sign in the window is still alive and well


   
PTA SPONSORED PROGRAMS
Heather Elem.
San Carlos, CA
 
snipped


Block Parent Program
In cooperation with the San Carlos Police Department, Heather PTA is proud to help solicit parent volunteers for the Block Parent Program. Registered homes place a Block Parent sign in the front window of their home, indicating it is a "safe house". Any child in need of help may stop at that house for assistance. The goal is to have a Block Parent in every neighborhood.

http://heather.sancarlos.k12.ca.us/pta/pta.programs.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 01:01:54 AM
Wasn't Ricardo a police officer?  He is the one that had a poster regarding chloroforming one's date, IIRC.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Steel Monkey on October 25, 2008, 01:04:02 AM
Klaas, can you give me a link to the pic of the dumpster?  Not the one at Amscot.

Yeah, give me a sec


(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/IMG_0348_small.jpg)

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/IMG_0347_small.jpg)


More pics here:


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/04/texas-equusearch-continues-the-search-for-missing-caylee-anthony-exclusive-pics/

Okay, I know that the DA must release immediately all info that was presented to the Grand Jury. I also know that once a person is charged, the DA must make their "discovery" known to the Defense. My question is WHEN?? Is it as they receive it? Is it a month before trial?  Must be some lawyers here! What ever happened to "Vivi" (my neighbor in Dallas)??

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong - the only thing the defense has released is that which the judge has said must be released pertaining to the evidence surrounding the child neglect charges.  Everything elese is still in LE's book.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 01:06:13 AM
Steel Monkey:
Quote
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong - the only thing the defense has released is that which the judge has said must be released pertaining to the evidence surrounding the child neglect charges.  Everything elese is still in LE's book
Quite posibly true, but Baez sems to know all about the "trunk evidence" already -- he is wanting to throw it out!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Steel Monkey on October 25, 2008, 01:09:31 AM
Steel Monkey:
Quote
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong - the only thing the defense has released is that which the judge has said must be released pertaining to the evidence surrounding the child neglect charges.  Everything elese is still in LE's book
Quite posibly true, but Baez sems to know all about the "trunk evidence" already -- he is wanting to throw it out!

I am not a judge (although I play one on TV), but I can stand up and say to JB..."On what grounds do you believe this evidence should be thrown out?"

What then...?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: dottie on October 25, 2008, 01:11:08 AM
GOODNIGHT MONKEYS


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 01:11:47 AM
Steel Monkey:
Quote
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong - the only thing the defense has released is that which the judge has said must be released pertaining to the evidence surrounding the child neglect charges.  Everything elese is still in LE's book
Quite posibly true, but Baez sems to know all about the "trunk evidence" already -- he is wanting to throw it out!

I am not a judge (although I play one on TV), but I can stand up and say to JB..."On what grounds do you believe this evidence should be thrown out?"

What then...?
"on the grounds that it will certainly CONVICT my client"!   --LOL  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Praying4Angels on October 25, 2008, 01:12:01 AM
So the rumor of Casey driving around with the dead body in the trunk for eleven days is just not true.  I didn't see how she could have stood the smell after eleven days.
ICE,IMO

I am really leaning towards that too.....no way could she have driven around with Caylee deceased and decomposing in the the trunk of the car UNLESS she were in a cooler. I don't see her burying her and then going back and digging her up and then disposing of her again....

but I still think there is a good possibility she threw her little body in an area known to have alligators.... ::MonkeyWaa::


Sunny, I believe the PDF specifies chemicals consistent with anaerobic decomp, doesn't it?  This would be consistent with a container of some sort.  I wonder if that's what the purchase at JCP could have been, a Coleman cooler or similar or one to replace one taken if the dates are not correct?

Anna!! ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance:: That certainly seems to be a HUGE possibility...and something bought at JCP was important....enough that Cindy didn't want it known and Rob Dick mentioned it being important!!


Aerobic = sustained by air/oxygen
Anaerobic = sustained without air/oxygen

Maybe I am reading that wrong but if not, the only way I can think of for decomp to happen in anaerobic manner would be in "air tight" container.  Of course we all know that everything begins to "leak" on a molecular level right away but it would cause different type of decomp.

So even in airtight container, there would be leakage but would slow down process and also create a different type of decomp than that when exposed to air.

Ergo, I conclude a container that was basically airtight was used.  Now what kind I have no idea but Igloos are used for organ transplants being flown across the country, etc.  Maybe somethng along those lines?



JMO, of course.

.



Hi Anna, makes some sense to me... and I can add a little bit.

Scenario 1) the car is moving and the air-tight container gets jostled. Lid comes off, fluids leak out. It's easy to imagine this one.

Scenario 2) Gases from decomposing body fill the air-tight container and the lid pops of much as a lid on a container does in a microwave oven.

In any container there is the "displacement level" as discovered by Archimedes. That means there is only so much actually room contained in any object.

As the gases release the pressure builds. When the pressure hits it's limit - top pops. It's actually pretty simple.
Yep...and I am sure she tried to pick the smallest container that she thought would accomodate to try to lessen the work involved in concealing/burying it....and in the process probably grossly underestimated the amount of fluid a human body contains and in death would purge...that would account for the spillage and the smell that worsened over time...

Still trying to figure the timeline out now tho...she may have had her in the trunk for 2 days...buried her or thought about it on the 18th in the backyard...decided it was too much work...put her in sandbox while she thought some more and then came back for her later....but when?? Certainly not on the 24th...too long...and if GA story is true (LOL) she didnt have time after the gas can brawl...I don't think this was even the final move...I think there were 2 moves after the backyard....and I am like 49% and 51% on whether the final one was in earth or water....depends on how demented I think casey is on any given day...

The other thing that was odd about the 27th...I really didnt see any wondow of time long enuf for a disposal...i mean she was just flitting around everywhere..repeatedly...seemed like the longest stretch of time was at Tony's place and then Fusian....I did eye what looks like a body of water by JcPenneys a few times tho....

But she was in the trunk..and she was dead...and not eating pizza...or playing with squirrels... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: katntx on October 25, 2008, 01:12:17 AM
Apparently the hand sign in the window is still alive and well


   
PTA SPONSORED PROGRAMS
Heather Elem.
San Carlos, CA
 
snipped


Block Parent Program
In cooperation with the San Carlos Police Department, Heather PTA is proud to help solicit parent volunteers for the Block Parent Program. Registered homes place a Block Parent sign in the front window of their home, indicating it is a "safe house". Any child in need of help may stop at that house for assistance. The goal is to have a Block Parent in every neighborhood.

http://heather.sancarlos.k12.ca.us/pta/pta.programs.html

See im not crazy, they were PTA sponsored...lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: MuffyBee on October 25, 2008, 01:12:55 AM
GOODNIGHT MONKEYS

Goodnight dottie


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 01:12:58 AM
GOODNIGHT MONKEYS

Nite Dottie


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Steel Monkey on October 25, 2008, 01:13:52 AM
Steel Monkey:
Quote
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong - the only thing the defense has released is that which the judge has said must be released pertaining to the evidence surrounding the child neglect charges.  Everything elese is still in LE's book
Quite posibly true, but Baez sems to know all about the "trunk evidence" already -- he is wanting to throw it out!

I am not a judge (although I play one on TV), but I can stand up and say to JB..."On what grounds do you believe this evidence should be thrown out?"

What then...?
"on the grounds that it will certainly CONVICT my client"!   --LOL  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

You are a wise man Wreck, despite of what your lawyer A-1 says!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mytime on October 25, 2008, 01:26:07 AM
Mytime
Sorry, I just got back from sleuthing, how are you?   ::MonkeyWink::

Well, life has been kicking my butt and have not had much time to read SM.  I miss our friend - could use some laughter right about now.....and you?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 25, 2008, 01:30:59 AM
Mytime
Sorry, I just got back from sleuthing, how are you?   ::MonkeyWink::

Well, life has been kicking my butt and have not had much time to read SM.  I miss our friend - could use some laughter right about now.....and you?

I left my humor at the dentists office today...sorry...and sorry about the butt kicking.  check ur nanner basket later


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 25, 2008, 01:42:09 AM
If I am understanding the forensic report correctly and estimated decomposition was 2.6 days- this sort of ties in w/Brian Burner's statements. If Caylee died on the 16th (which is what I believe- and it was the last time she was seen), Brian Burner saw Casey back into the driveway on the 17th. At this point she could have been trying to figure out what to do- possibly left her in the sandbox- or possibly changed her mind and left without ever taking Caylee out of the trunk.

The next day (18th) Brian Burner sees her back in again approx 1:30 (I know he claims it could have been 18th or 19th- but I think cell pings make it more likely on the 18th) and she asks for the shovel.

At this point- if Caylee died late morning of the 16th, it has now been approx 2+ days. Upon getting the shovel- she goes in the backyard to dig the grave and realizes it ain't gonna be so easy. It's possible she placed Caylee on the ground while doing so which is why the dogs hit in the yard). Changes her mind- returns the shovel, puts Caylee back in the trunk and takes off.

Now, if at this point she realizes she doesn't know what to do- and hasn't made a decision where to dispose of the body- she could go and get a cooler which would stop the decomposition after 2.6 days. (not inside the cooler, but inside the trunk). So I would be very curious to see if there was any evidence of purchases made this day. OR it could be that she stole the family's cooler and was trying to replace it before it was noticed.

I think she drove around for many days like this- with Caylee in the trunk in a cooler - and realized when she went to bury her or dispose of her - that the cooler may not have fit with her plans (ie coolers float- harder to bury, etc. ) and she opened the cooler to place Caylee in a bag or something else in order to transport her to disposal site. When she did this- it was a huge release of all those gases, etc. causing the odor in the car. As someone said on one of the news reports- there's just no way to put it back- the smell was out there. And being how Casey doesn't think things through- she probably didn't even realize that was going to happen.

I really hope the police have been contemplating the cooler/luggage etc idea and have been looking for these things or examined any that were found.

Anyway- this is just all speculation from me- just things I've been thinking


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 25, 2008, 01:49:35 AM
Does anyone remember the approximate time that Cindy called Amy to go to Tony's apartment?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 25, 2008, 01:52:01 AM
Does anyone remember the approximate time that Cindy called Amy to go to Tony's apartment?

not sure what time she called amy, but she arrived with amy at Tony's approx 7:30pm

 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 25, 2008, 01:53:39 AM
Does anyone remember the approximate time that Cindy called Amy to go to Tony's apartment?

not sure what time she called amy, but she arrived with amy at Tony's approx 7:30pm

 

IIRC Now that I think of it, I remember Amy saying that she left for the mall around 5:30 and was called a little while after they arrived that by Cindy


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 25, 2008, 01:55:03 AM
Does anyone remember the approximate time that Cindy called Amy to go to Tony's apartment?

not sure what time she called amy, but she arrived with amy at Tony's approx 7:30pm

 

TY - I was wondering, due to the fact that Amy sent a text msg to KC @5:22 pm.  I wonder if KC had any idea before that fact?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 25, 2008, 01:56:08 AM
MT  wanna go to muse?  or anyone else?   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 01:59:33 AM
Does anyone remember the approximate time that Cindy called Amy to go to Tony's apartment?

not sure what time she called amy, but she arrived with amy at Tony's approx 7:30pm

 

TY - I was wondering, due to the fact that Amy sent a text msg to KC @5:22 pm.  I wonder if KC had any idea before that fact?

I think if KC knew CA was coming, she would have met her outside.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 25, 2008, 02:00:36 AM
Does anyone remember the approximate time that Cindy called Amy to go to Tony's apartment?

not sure what time she called amy, but she arrived with amy at Tony's approx 7:30pm

 

TY - I was wondering, due to the fact that Amy sent a text msg to KC @5:22 pm.  I wonder if KC had any idea before that fact?

IMO I don't think so. I think A) that's how Amy knew where to find her without even calling to ask (she took Cindy straight there) and B.) from Tony & Amy's accounts Casey was surprised- I believe one of them even said Casey asked CIndy "what are you doing here?!".

(But I am very very tired and my mind is on overdrive so I won't say definitely)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 25, 2008, 02:06:46 AM
Does anyone remember the approximate time that Cindy called Amy to go to Tony's apartment?

not sure what time she called amy, but she arrived with amy at Tony's approx 7:30pm

 

TY - I was wondering, due to the fact that Amy sent a text msg to KC @5:22 pm.  I wonder if KC had any idea before that fact?

I think if KC knew CA was coming, she would have met her outside.

That's what I thought - just checking....Thanks!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 25, 2008, 02:08:07 AM
Does anyone remember the approximate time that Cindy called Amy to go to Tony's apartment?

not sure what time she called amy, but she arrived with amy at Tony's approx 7:30pm

 

TY - I was wondering, due to the fact that Amy sent a text msg to KC @5:22 pm.  I wonder if KC had any idea before that fact?

IMO I don't think so. I think A) that's how Amy knew where to find her without even calling to ask (she took Cindy straight there) and B.) from Tony & Amy's accounts Casey was surprised- I believe one of them even said Casey asked CIndy "what are you doing here?!".

(But I am very very tired and my mind is on overdrive so I won't say definitely)

I wish I was as energetic as my mind seems to be ::MonkeyTongue::  Thanks for answering...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 25, 2008, 02:11:17 AM
Does anyone remember the approximate time that Cindy called Amy to go to Tony's apartment?

not sure what time she called amy, but she arrived with amy at Tony's approx 7:30pm

 

TY - I was wondering, due to the fact that Amy sent a text msg to KC @5:22 pm.  I wonder if KC had any idea before that fact?

IMO I don't think so. I think A) that's how Amy knew where to find her without even calling to ask (she took Cindy straight there) and B.) from Tony & Amy's accounts Casey was surprised- I believe one of them even said Casey asked CIndy "what are you doing here?!".

(But I am very very tired and my mind is on overdrive so I won't say definitely)

I wish I was as energetic as my mind seems to be ::MonkeyTongue::  Thanks for answering...

me too!! ::MonkeyConfused::
I'm off to bed- I've done enough thinking out loud for one night
good night all


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mytime on October 25, 2008, 02:12:30 AM
MT  wanna go to muse?  or anyone else?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

sorry I was folding clothes!  I am in need of some sleep - so i will see you tomorrow! Ok?  I replied!! 

Good Night everyone!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: marymary on October 25, 2008, 02:15:48 AM
MT  wanna go to muse?  or anyone else?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

sorry I was folding clothes!  I am in need of some sleep - so i will see you tomorrow! Ok?  I replied!! 

Good Night everyone!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Goodnight, I just thought folding clothes was funny.  Nite all


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: AzGrama on October 25, 2008, 03:54:09 AM
So if there are no maggots on the pizza test, there was no actual pizza in her trunk, only the box, yet there was maggots found in the trunk, defense will have to answer why were there maggots in KC's car? They don't just magically appear in Florida cars.  ::MonkeyEek::

I thought the tow truck guy even said there were maggots in the bag?

I am way behind in reading so if this has already been posted, please disregard.
Documents today said no pizza was recovered from the trunk.  IIRC, the pizza was removed from the trunk at the tow yard and discarded there.  The police subsequently recovered the pizza/maggots from the tow yard....just not from the trunk.  Does this make sense??  Anybody?? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: IBE on October 25, 2008, 04:27:07 AM
Hi MaryMary,

I''ll go over to Muse if you wish for a few minutes.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Treehouse on October 25, 2008, 06:11:02 AM
Good Morning, starry1st.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 25, 2008, 07:10:47 AM
If I am understanding the forensic report correctly and estimated decomposition was 2.6 days- this sort of ties in w/Brian Burner's statements. If Caylee died on the 16th (which is what I believe- and it was the last time she was seen), Brian Burner saw Casey back into the driveway on the 17th. At this point she could have been trying to figure out what to do- possibly left her in the sandbox- or possibly changed her mind and left without ever taking Caylee out of the trunk.

The next day (18th) Brian Burner sees her back in again approx 1:30 (I know he claims it could have been 18th or 19th- but I think cell pings make it more likely on the 18th) and she asks for the shovel.

At this point- if Caylee died late morning of the 16th, it has now been approx 2+ days. Upon getting the shovel- she goes in the backyard to dig the grave and realizes it ain't gonna be so easy. It's possible she placed Caylee on the ground while doing so which is why the dogs hit in the yard). Changes her mind- returns the shovel, puts Caylee back in the trunk and takes off.

Now, if at this point she realizes she doesn't know what to do- and hasn't made a decision where to dispose of the body- she could go and get a cooler which would stop the decomposition after 2.6 days. (not inside the cooler, but inside the trunk). So I would be very curious to see if there was any evidence of purchases made this day. OR it could be that she stole the family's cooler and was trying to replace it before it was noticed.

I think she drove around for many days like this- with Caylee in the trunk in a cooler - and realized when she went to bury her or dispose of her - that the cooler may not have fit with her plans (ie coolers float- harder to bury, etc. ) and she opened the cooler to place Caylee in a bag or something else in order to transport her to disposal site. When she did this- it was a huge release of all those gases, etc. causing the odor in the car. As someone said on one of the news reports- there's just no way to put it back- the smell was out there. And being how Casey doesn't think things through- she probably didn't even realize that was going to happen.

I really hope the police have been contemplating the cooler/luggage etc idea and have been looking for these things or examined any that were found.

Anyway- this is just all speculation from me- just things I've been thinking

Good Morning Cincinnati Monkey Cage

This sounds really plausible.  This makes me also ask, if an article (any clothes, blanket, etc.) that had been in the trunk with Caylee were layed in the A's backyard would this cause cadaver dogs to hit?  What I'm asking is -- did the body have to be laid in the yard, or could it have been something that contained fluids or other decomp for dogs to hit?



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: starry1st on October 25, 2008, 08:08:24 AM
AMBER ALERTS NATIONWIDE

http://amberalerts.globalincidentmap.com/home.php

Thanks so much Blonde. This is a fabulous site and shows us how many children are missing and where they are.  I would volunteer to help search for missing children if it at all possible.  So with this chart (I assume it will be kept up to date) I'll continue to view it to see if there's someone near enough by me that could use my help.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: m2kfl on October 25, 2008, 08:13:54 AM
So if there are no maggots on the pizza test, there was no actual pizza in her trunk, only the box, yet there was maggots found in the trunk, defense will have to answer why were there maggots in KC's car? They don't just magically appear in Florida cars.  ::MonkeyEek::

I thought the tow truck guy even said there were maggots in the bag?

I am way behind in reading so if this has already been posted, please disregard.
Documents today said no pizza was recovered from the trunk.  IIRC, the pizza was removed from the trunk at the tow yard and discarded there.  The police subsequently recovered the pizza/maggots from the tow yard....just not from the trunk.  Does this make sense??  Anybody?? ::MonkeyEek::
The report is a bit confusing on this fact. The original information that cam out had maggots in the trunk. Now there is no mention of them other than with the pizza. I guess we will have to wait until someone within the law enforcement community comes foreward with where the maggots were discovered.

MURT


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharon on October 25, 2008, 08:16:17 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I remember reading an article (and I can't remember which one) which says something about Caylee's impact (negative) on the lives of 3 police officers.

So -- we can speculate Jesse is 1, and Tony R is 2 -- who is 3??

At first I thought they may be referring to George -- but he really hasn't been a police officer for a long time. Un less Casey had something to do with why he left the force?

Just thought it was a very interesting comment -- her adverse impact on 3 law enforcement officers.

Morning Monkeys.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: m2kfl on October 25, 2008, 08:18:40 AM
Klaas, can you give me a link to the pic of the dumpster?  Not the one at Amscot.

Yeah, give me a sec


(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/IMG_0348_small.jpg)

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/IMG_0347_small.jpg)


More pics here:


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/04/texas-equusearch-continues-the-search-for-missing-caylee-anthony-exclusive-pics/

Okay, I know that the DA must release immediately all info that was presented to the Grand Jury. I also know that once a person is charged, the DA must make their "discovery" known to the Defense. My question is WHEN?? Is it as they receive it? Is it a month before trial?  Must be some lawyers here! What ever happened to "Vivi" (my neighbor in Dallas)??

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong - the only thing the defense has released is that which the judge has said must be released pertaining to the evidence surrounding the child neglect charges.  Everything elese is still in LE's book.
The original order had the evidence from the neglect charge to be released to the defense atty. When the Grand Jury came down with the murder one indictment, the evidence became part of the new case, thus nullifying that part of the order (imo). That would mean that we now have to wait for the discovery evidence that pertains to the murder trial to find out any new information.

MURT


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 08:21:25 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I remember reading an article (and I can't remember which one) which says something about Caylee's impact (negative) on the lives of 3 police officers.

So -- we can speculate Jesse is 1, and Tony R is 2 -- who is 3??

At first I thought they may be referring to George -- but he really hasn't been a police officer for a long time. Un less Casey had something to do with why he left the force?

Just thought it was a very interesting comment -- her adverse impact on 3 law enforcement officers.

Morning Monkeys.

I would imagine that it is George.

I kept thinking Ricardo, but you're right it was Jesse, Tony R and George.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: m2kfl on October 25, 2008, 08:21:40 AM
Steel Monkey:
Quote
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong - the only thing the defense has released is that which the judge has said must be released pertaining to the evidence surrounding the child neglect charges.  Everything elese is still in LE's book
Quite posibly true, but Baez sems to know all about the "trunk evidence" already -- he is wanting to throw it out!

I am not a judge (although I play one on TV), but I can stand up and say to JB..."On what grounds do you believe this evidence should be thrown out?"

What then...?
The defense submits the motion for having the evidence thrown out. Then both the defense argue their points for and against the judge either granting or denying the motion. The judge will ask questions where he fells it necessary. The judge may hand the decision down on the spot or take the time to consider the motion and rule at a later date.

MURT


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharon on October 25, 2008, 08:26:37 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I remember reading an article (and I can't remember which one) which says something about Caylee's impact (negative) on the lives of 3 police officers.

So -- we can speculate Jesse is 1, and Tony R is 2 -- who is 3??

At first I thought they may be referring to George -- but he really hasn't been a police officer for a long time. Un less Casey had something to do with why he left the force?

Just thought it was a very interesting comment -- her adverse impact on 3 law enforcement officers.

Morning Monkeys.

I would imagine that it is George.

I kept thinking Ricardo, but you're right it was Jesse, Tony R and George.

Or a 3rd one -- that we don't know anything about. YET.

In her analysis of the cell phone pings, KCJackie is introducing names I've not heard before.

This is going to be an interesting trial -- if it gets that far. If KC's legal team wants to keep her alive, they will 'make a deal'.

Good morning mammy!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 25, 2008, 08:27:29 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/17058741/detail.html

Father Visits Casey Anthony In Jail, Leaves Without Answers

POSTED: 5:56 am EDT August 1, 2008
UPDATED: 6:45 pm EDT August 3, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- George Anthony visited his daughter in the Orange County jail, Sunday, to try to get more answers about the disappearance of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony.

Casey Anthony, Caylee's mother, is behind bars. She's charged with child endangerment and obstructing justice as deputies search for her daughter. Caylee has been missing for more than a month.

When George Anthony emerged from the emotional visit he said he had learned nothing new, but he did say that Caylee had given her attorney a letter that possibly contained clues about Caylee’s disappearance.

However, when Chanel 9 talked to Casey Anthony’s attorney, he said all of the talk about the letter is absurd. He said the letter doesn’t exist and he never asked for one in the first place.

It is still unclear if Casey is writing letters to her family. Casey’s father seemed frustrated and said he asked Casey tough questions. He also admitted his daughter had made mistakes.

Still, George insists his granddaughter is alive. He’s so confident she will return, he’s planning a birthday party for Caylee in just six days.

VIGIL: Anthony Family Raising Money For Search
EVIDENCE REMOVED: See Images | Watch Raw Video
PIZZA THEORY: Eyewitness News Tests "Rotten Pizza Theory"
ARCHIVE: Read Previous Reports Related To Anthony Case

Friday, investigators went to the Anthony family home and removed gas cans. The cans were reported stolen in late June around the time Caylee may have disappeared. George Anthony said the cans were taken by a neighbor but admits his daughter had stolen gas from his home in the past. Sources close to the investigation say they don't believe the cans were used to burn or destroy evidence. But investigators do want to test the cans to see if they were near Caylee before she disappeared.

"We're passing information on that we get," said George Anthony. "What they do with it, I have no control over."

Anthony also reacted to a recent People Magazine article he believes took a negative view of his family.

"We've gotten blindsided," he said. "My wife and I cried when we read that article. What they told us of how it was going to be put together was totally different."


GROUP HELPS TO RAISE FUNDS

George Anthony appeared at a Publix shopping center Saturday to help pass out fliers with his granddaughter's picture on them. He said he plans on Monday to have a giant moving billboard with her image near where a car involved in the case was found a few weeks ago.

Anthony choked back tears, Friday night, as he looked out on a crowd of friends and strangers, leaving it to his son to explain what the family is feeling.

"Frankly every day is as hard as the first day," said Lee Anthony.

Carole Bernhardt understands. Eight years ago, someone snatched her then eight-year-old grandson, Zachary , from his bed in Clearwater while his family was sleeping.

"Everybody says, and they're wrong if they say it, 'We know how you feel,'" said Bernhardt.

She met the Anthonys for the first time and immediately connected with fellow grandmother, Cindy Anthony.

"As soon as she looked at me she hugged me and said, Thank God, you're here. You understand,'" said Bernhardt.

"They've had a child missing for eight years," said Cindy Anthony. "I don't know if I can go that long"

Both families have turned to the Kid Finder Network, a company Sheri Milstead and her husband founded to keep missing children in the public eye. It's already helped design and donate more than 60,000 fliers, almost a thousand T-shirts and several massive billboards with Caylee Anthony's photography.

And while the Milsteads say they've never experienced the loss of a child, they were touched by the high profile disappearance of Trenton Duckett two years ago in Lake County. They started their company after seeing that case.


MORE EVIDENCED SEIZED FROM HOME

Orange County sheriff's investigators took more evidence out of the Anthony home Friday morning as they continue their investigation into the disappearance of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony. Deputies showed up at the house around 10:00am and left with two brown evidence bags which contained the gas cans..

"During the conversation with the Anthonys, things do come up sometimes, and then there was a need to go back there and retrieve these items," said Carlos Padilla of the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

George Anthony, the grandfather of missing Caylee Anthony and father of the missing girl's mother Casey, arrived at his home around 10:00am Friday with two detectives in a car and a Crime Scene Investigation van. George opened the garage door and allowed the two CSI investigators in.

Less than five minutes later, the two CSI investigators came out of the garage holding two oversized brown paper evidence bags.

George Anthony and the two detectives then got back into the car they arrived in and both them and the CSI van left the scene. Eyewitness News learned George Anthony returned to the sheriff's office where he and his wife Cindy were questioned until around 1:00pm.

The Orange County Sheriff's Office will not say how close detectives are to finding 2-year-old Caylee Anthony, but according to one investigator they need more hard evidence.

"Anything that we can get, any new information at all, whether it is from the lab or tips, that helps us find Caylee that much quicker," Padilla said.

Caylee's grandmother has her own theory about where her granddaughter might be, but she will not reveal it.

"I think with all agencies working forward and going as a team we will bring her home a lot faster," said Cindy Anthony.


NEW JAIL PHONE CALL MENTIONS "LETTER"

The family has been concerned about the Orange County jail releasing Casey's phone calls. In a new jailhouse phone call that was released late Thursday afternoon between arrested mother Casey Anthony and her brother Lee, he asks Casey about a letter she's supposed to write to help her family find Caylee.

Cindy said she doesn't know what will be in the letter, but she wanted to make sure the public won’t have access to it.

"If she writes something, we want to make sure it gets in the right hand too, we don't want someone reading something who has no authority reading it," said Cindy.

Casey told her brother Saturday that she'd send letters to the family and to her attorney, assuring her brother that the attorney couldn't stop the information from getting to the Anthonys. Thursday, five days later, she gave her brother an update on the letters.

"You know, how was the, uh, that letter thing?" Lee asks in the July 31 call.

"Um, well, when I get a chance to actually write a little bit more, I should be able to do that within the next little bit because I have, I guess, quote, rec time," Casey says.


FAMILY SAYS THEY'RE WORKING WITH INVESTIGATORS

Casey Anthony's attorneys plan to ask the Florida Supreme Court to step in and lower her $500,000 bond, but the state's highest court rarely gets involved in such cases. There could also soon be a decision as to whether Casey will be charged with the counts she's being held on, child neglect, obstruction of justice and making false official statements.

The investigation has gone from a search in Caylee Marie Anthony's grandparents' backyard, after cadaver dogs alerted detectives to an area, to the Amscot where Caylee's mother abandoned her car. Investigators are chasing down every sound lead they get and trying not to waste any time.

Investigators are analyzing phone and credit card records to trace Casey Anthony's tracks over the month that she and Caylee were separated from the family. Casey's mother said she has the phone records, too, but won't talk about them or whether she's found evidence that Casey really did get a call from Caylee the day Caylee was reported missing.

"Our whole family spent the entire day yesterday sharing things with the authorities. So, again, we cannot impede their investigation," Cindy said Thursday. "I cannot give you names of people potentially linked to this thing."

Casey's brother tried recently to get the phone number for the mysterious babysitter from Casey, but he got the same thing investigators have gotten, the runaround.

"It was through a private call," Casey told him during a jailhouse phone call.

A private number is one that you can't trace or automatically redial, but that's different than what she told a 911 dispatcher two weeks ago.

"I actually received a phone call today, now from a number that is no longer in service," she told the 911 dispatcher.

Sources also told Eyewitness News that it's believed that Casey and her brother are talking in code during phone conversations, because they know they're being recorded and it may be partly because they were trying for some reason to circumvent Casey's attorney in getting information to investigators.

It's unlikely that Casey Anthony would be granted total protection from prosecution, if that's in fact what her attorney is looking for. If the case turns out to be a homicide, as prosecutors have said is very possible, Casey Anthony could be prosecuted even if Caylee is not found, investigators said.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 08:29:57 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I remember reading an article (and I can't remember which one) which says something about Caylee's impact (negative) on the lives of 3 police officers.

So -- we can speculate Jesse is 1, and Tony R is 2 -- who is 3??

At first I thought they may be referring to George -- but he really hasn't been a police officer for a long time. Un less Casey had something to do with why he left the force?

Just thought it was a very interesting comment -- her adverse impact on 3 law enforcement officers.

Morning Monkeys.

I would imagine that it is George.

I kept thinking Ricardo, but you're right it was Jesse, Tony R and George.

Or a 3rd one -- that we don't know anything about. YET.

In her analysis of the cell phone pings, KCJackie is introducing names I've not heard before.

This is going to be an interesting trial -- if it gets that far. If KC's legal team wants to keep her alive, they will 'make a deal'.

Good morning mammy!

Good Morning!

Yes it will be interesting.  If a body is found, that's when I see them wanting to make a deal.  Without the body, I really doubt if she gets the death penalty.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 25, 2008, 08:30:02 AM
OK, I know that post was from August but it suggests that George knows his daughter did it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 25, 2008, 08:30:50 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I remember reading an article (and I can't remember which one) which says something about Caylee's impact (negative) on the lives of 3 police officers.

So -- we can speculate Jesse is 1, and Tony R is 2 -- who is 3??

At first I thought they may be referring to George -- but he really hasn't been a police officer for a long time. Un less Casey had something to do with why he left the force?

Just thought it was a very interesting comment -- her adverse impact on 3 law enforcement officers.

Morning Monkeys.

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ADAM- last name unknown- http://www.myspace.com/44157817 Police Academy 2006. Dated Casey Anthony- cheated on Jesse Grund with Adam. Police Academy in late 2006 and flunked out of field training. Was fired on the spot in a squad car is what I am told. Comments from Casey to him in March of 2006 that indicated she was starting to see him BEFORE she broke off the engagement with Jesse.   
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73750

IIRC (but could have been a different board)  Poster later claims was holding back this information, the reason for not posting sooner, but never really said why.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: m2kfl on October 25, 2008, 08:31:33 AM
Just a quick comment on the "dumpster" that has been posted and discussed on my broadcast site.
It is known as a rollback in the industry. Rollback dumpsters have either one large door in the rear of the unit or a par of swinging doors that open outward. This enables the truck operator to dump the trash at the landfill the same way a dump truck would.

Workers at jobsites where these things are often used can open the door(s) to walk in and dump trash in them. They can only do this to a point, however. At some point the rollback starts to fill up and the doors can no longer be opened without the trash falling out of it.

The photo had the dumpster as fairly full which means that Casey would have to have reached over her head to place Caylee into the dumpster.

Also, these types of dumpsters are open at the top and not enclosed like the Amscot dumpster. If a dead body were placed there, someone would have noticed the odor much sooner than if she were placed in an enclosed dumpster.

Apparently search dogs did not hit on the dumpster in the photo or we would have heard something by now. I seem to remember that the dogs indicated an interest in the Amscot dumpster area.

MURT


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: anothermonkey on October 25, 2008, 08:32:29 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/17058741/detail.html

Father Visits Casey Anthony In Jail, Leaves Without Answers

POSTED: 5:56 am EDT August 1, 2008
UPDATED: 6:45 pm EDT August 3, 2008



Still, George insists his granddaughter is alive. He’s so confident she will return, he’s planning a birthday party for Caylee in just six days.


 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 08:35:43 AM
OK, I know that post was from August but it suggests that George knows his daughter did it.

IMO, they all know.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 08:36:49 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I remember reading an article (and I can't remember which one) which says something about Caylee's impact (negative) on the lives of 3 police officers.

So -- we can speculate Jesse is 1, and Tony R is 2 -- who is 3??

At first I thought they may be referring to George -- but he really hasn't been a police officer for a long time. Un less Casey had something to do with why he left the force?

Just thought it was a very interesting comment -- her adverse impact on 3 law enforcement officers.

Morning Monkeys.

Saw this at WS, pasting all because it might disappear.

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ADAM- last name unknown- http://www.myspace.com/44157817 Police Academy 2006. Dated Casey Anthony- cheated on Jesse Grund with Adam. Police Academy in late 2006 and flunked out of field training. Was fired on the spot in a squad car is what I am told. Comments from Casey to him in March of 2006 that indicated she was starting to see him BEFORE she broke off the engagement with Jesse.   
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73750

IIRC (but could have been a different board)  Poster later claims was holding back this information, the reason for not posting sooner, but never really said why.

That's interesting.  KC must have dated the entire force.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Mary on October 25, 2008, 08:39:49 AM
my understanding was LP said that there maggot and fluids ON the bag. Also we
haven't heard anything about what was found in the maggots.
Also Kobi is a professor at a forensic school & very well respected. You have got to
wonder how all this mumbo-jumbo is sitting with his students, some of them are
probably just about finished with their coarses and know he is really stretching the
the truth. I truly hope that Caylee was put into a piece of luggage. Than all of her
bones will be there and that will tell them a lot.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 25, 2008, 08:42:37 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I remember reading an article (and I can't remember which one) which says something about Caylee's impact (negative) on the lives of 3 police officers.

So -- we can speculate Jesse is 1, and Tony R is 2 -- who is 3??

At first I thought they may be referring to George -- but he really hasn't been a police officer for a long time. Un less Casey had something to do with why he left the force?

Just thought it was a very interesting comment -- her adverse impact on 3 law enforcement officers.

Morning Monkeys.

Saw this at WS, pasting all because it might disappear.

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ADAM- last name unknown- http://www.myspace.com/44157817 Police Academy 2006. Dated Casey Anthony- cheated on Jesse Grund with Adam. Police Academy in late 2006 and flunked out of field training. Was fired on the spot in a squad car is what I am told. Comments from Casey to him in March of 2006 that indicated she was starting to see him BEFORE she broke off the engagement with Jesse.   
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73750

IIRC (but could have been a different board)  Poster later claims was holding back this information, the reason for not posting sooner, but never really said why.

That's interesting.  KC must have dated the entire force.

I find it interesting that the two we know for sure she dated are no longer on the force.  And if this Adam also dated her he is no longer on the force either.  No big conspiracy theory or anything just interesting.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 08:49:46 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I remember reading an article (and I can't remember which one) which says something about Caylee's impact (negative) on the lives of 3 police officers.

So -- we can speculate Jesse is 1, and Tony R is 2 -- who is 3??

At first I thought they may be referring to George -- but he really hasn't been a police officer for a long time. Un less Casey had something to do with why he left the force?

Just thought it was a very interesting comment -- her adverse impact on 3 law enforcement officers.

Morning Monkeys.

Saw this at WS, pasting all because it might disappear.

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ADAM- last name unknown- http://www.myspace.com/44157817 Police Academy 2006. Dated Casey Anthony- cheated on Jesse Grund with Adam. Police Academy in late 2006 and flunked out of field training. Was fired on the spot in a squad car is what I am told. Comments from Casey to him in March of 2006 that indicated she was starting to see him BEFORE she broke off the engagement with Jesse.   
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73750

IIRC (but could have been a different board)  Poster later claims was holding back this information, the reason for not posting sooner, but never really said why.

That's interesting.  KC must have dated the entire force.

I find it interesting that the two we know for sure she dated are no longer on the force.  And if this Adam also dated her he is no longer on the force either.  No big conspiracy theory or anything just interesting.

IIRC, Jesse's resigning was a mutual thing and had nothing to do with KC.  Tony R. lied about his involvement with KC and was fired.  I read something about another officer being fired, but I don't remember a name being given or if it was ever confirmed.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 08:55:11 AM
http://community.myfoxorlando.com/blogs/WOFL/2008/08/04/The_Search_for_Caylee_Anthony?page_no=7458

JourneysNonnie
Oct 25, 2008 | 8:46 AM on casey's myspace page
National Vigil Scheduled: November 2, 2008


Save the date: Sunday, November 2, 2008 ~ 8p.m. (eastern time)

Join us for a National Vigil on November 2nd as we hope to bring more awareness to those we love that are still missing from our families.

If you have a missing person's Myspace site, please forward your link in an e-mail to us. All missing persons' sites will be posted in our top friends.

We'll post the information this weekend on the Caylee Myspace site


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 25, 2008, 08:56:45 AM

I'd have to say that Lee was spending that time trying to erase info on the computer.
So did Lee also pick up Casey's cell phone?
No.  Detectives went to Tony's and picked up her cell phone earlier.
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Thank you AZLady


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharon on October 25, 2008, 08:57:42 AM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I remember reading an article (and I can't remember which one) which says something about Caylee's impact (negative) on the lives of 3 police officers.

So -- we can speculate Jesse is 1, and Tony R is 2 -- who is 3??

At first I thought they may be referring to George -- but he really hasn't been a police officer for a long time. Un less Casey had something to do with why he left the force?

Just thought it was a very interesting comment -- her adverse impact on 3 law enforcement officers.

Morning Monkeys.

Saw this at WS, pasting all because it might disappear.

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ADAM- last name unknown- http://www.myspace.com/44157817 Police Academy 2006. Dated Casey Anthony- cheated on Jesse Grund with Adam. Police Academy in late 2006 and flunked out of field training. Was fired on the spot in a squad car is what I am told. Comments from Casey to him in March of 2006 that indicated she was starting to see him BEFORE she broke off the engagement with Jesse.   
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73750

IIRC (but could have been a different board)  Poster later claims was holding back this information, the reason for not posting sooner, but never really said why.

Thanks IAmHereToday --

I wonder if this is one of the names that KCJackie has mentioned??

I will try to check back -- or hopefully she will answer  ::MonkeyHaHa::

.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharon on October 25, 2008, 08:59:20 AM
From nancy Grace transcript (thanks so much Blonde)

VERY INTERESTING!


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Do you think, Joe Episcopo, that the authorities could actually prove that or do they have to just assume that the minister is doing what he`s doing, you can`t mess with the minister?

JOE EPISCOPO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you could subpoena him and the parents, put them under oath and ask him, what did he tell you? And then they`d have to answer the question.

So that`s one way to find out if it happened, and besides, he doesn`t -- the minister doesn`t have a right to give away that privilege and tell someone else. You can`t do that. It`s like attorney/client.

I can`t ever reveal it unless my client tells me to do it or my client does it. And, again, if a third person is in my office and someone is revealing me something, that other person hears it, it`s not privileged.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well.

EPISCOPO: So the privilege is controlled.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter, this was your theory. Is there any other explanation for why her parents and her brother have not visited her in jail since she was re-arrested after the murder indictment came down?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: Well, you said it at the first part of your statement, and when we were back there, we had a young lady actually living with her, 24/7, traveling to the attorney`s office back and forth for nine days.

There is a lot of things that the young lady knows that she hasn`t revealed and I have not asked her. But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded.
 
So my thing, and -- the attorney, Mr. Episcopo there told you what happens. And that is that I have no doubt, and the way the family thinks, I have no doubt the minister is the one that`s carrying the messages.

And eventually, law enforcement or the FBI is going to subpoena the parents, and ask them. Because.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 25, 2008, 09:10:24 AM
What could be more important than talking to the security guard inside the house? Why didn't LP ask questions? I think it's horrible that a minister would do anything like passing letters, whether he believes KC is innocent or not, there is a murder case going on here and LE needs to get a handle on this!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 09:12:19 AM
What could be more important than talking to the security guard inside the house? Why didn't LP ask questions? I think it's horrible that a minister would do anything like passing letters, whether he believes KC is innocent or not, there is a murder case going on here and LE needs to get a handle on this!

What is said to the minister is privileged under the Sunshine Law (IIRC).


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 09:13:06 AM
Good morning sweet monkeys!!!!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons00934.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 09:15:56 AM
What could be more important than talking to the security guard inside the house? Why didn't LP ask questions? I think it's horrible that a minister would do anything like passing letters, whether he believes KC is innocent or not, there is a murder case going on here and LE needs to get a handle on this!

What is said to the minister is privileged

**corrected** 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 09:16:39 AM
Good morning sweet monkeys!!!!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons00934.gif)

Good Morning Tater!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 09:18:08 AM
The Sunshine Law is pertaining to public records, if I'm reading this correctly.

http://myfloridalegal.com/sunshine


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 25, 2008, 09:21:39 AM
What could be more important than talking to the security guard inside the house? Why didn't LP ask questions? I think it's horrible that a minister would do anything like passing letters, whether he believes KC is innocent or not, there is a murder case going on here and LE needs to get a handle on this!

BTW, I thought that visits were through video that happened across the street.  So does minister get a face to face visit?  I think Jose does, at least I have made that assumption in my mind.  If minister gets face to face is it illegal for him to pass letters? 

I really could understand why a family would not want their visit conversations taped, especially when it is broadcast on the news. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 09:23:54 AM
What could be more important than talking to the security guard inside the house? Why didn't LP ask questions? I think it's horrible that a minister would do anything like passing letters, whether he believes KC is innocent or not, there is a murder case going on here and LE needs to get a handle on this!

BTW, I thought that visits were through video that happened across the street.  So does minister get a face to face visit?  I think Jose does, at least I have made that assumption in my mind.  If minister gets face to face is it illegal for him to pass letters? 

I really could understand why a family would not want their visit conversations taped, especially when it is broadcast on the news. 

It's not illegal for the KC to give the minister letters.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Sandcranelady on October 25, 2008, 09:28:32 AM
Good Morning everyone , i am in orlando today for husbands  remote control races , I am thinking of caylee.
Wishing for this baby to be found.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 09:29:30 AM
Just a quick comment on the "dumpster" that has been posted and discussed on my broadcast site.
It is known as a rollback in the industry. Rollback dumpsters have either one large door in the rear of the unit or a par of swinging doors that open outward. This enables the truck operator to dump the trash at the landfill the same way a dump truck would.

Workers at jobsites where these things are often used can open the door(s) to walk in and dump trash in them. They can only do this to a point, however. At some point the rollback starts to fill up and the doors can no longer be opened without the trash falling out of it.

The photo had the dumpster as fairly full which means that Casey would have to have reached over her head to place Caylee into the dumpster.

Also, these types of dumpsters are open at the top and not enclosed like the Amscot dumpster. If a dead body were placed there, someone would have noticed the odor much sooner than if she were placed in an enclosed dumpster.

Apparently search dogs did not hit on the dumpster in the photo or we would have heard something by now. I seem to remember that the dogs indicated an interest in the Amscot dumpster area.

MURT
Hi, Murt!

Good observation, but what if the dumpster was empty enough at the time Casey may have disposed of Caylee. The dumpster may have been filled further later on. The doors could have been openable when Casey used it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 25, 2008, 09:32:02 AM
What could be more important than talking to the security guard inside the house? Why didn't LP ask questions? I think it's horrible that a minister would do anything like passing letters, whether he believes KC is innocent or not, there is a murder case going on here and LE needs to get a handle on this!

BTW, I thought that visits were through video that happened across the street.  So does minister get a face to face visit?  I think Jose does, at least I have made that assumption in my mind.  If minister gets face to face is it illegal for him to pass letters? 

I really could understand why a family would not want their visit conversations taped, especially when it is broadcast on the news. 

It's not illegal for the KC to give the minister letters.

Is she even allowed a pencil and paper? I remember reading about a "letter" that Lee said she was working on b4 and then we found out that she wasn't even allowed a pencil and paper. A pencil could be used for suicide. If the minister were to give the messages to the Anthony family, then is ceases to become privileged, according to attys on NG.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 09:33:34 AM
Just a quick comment on the "dumpster" that has been posted and discussed on my broadcast site.
It is known as a rollback in the industry. Rollback dumpsters have either one large door in the rear of the unit or a par of swinging doors that open outward. This enables the truck operator to dump the trash at the landfill the same way a dump truck would.

Workers at jobsites where these things are often used can open the door(s) to walk in and dump trash in them. They can only do this to a point, however. At some point the rollback starts to fill up and the doors can no longer be opened without the trash falling out of it.

The photo had the dumpster as fairly full which means that Casey would have to have reached over her head to place Caylee into the dumpster.

Also, these types of dumpsters are open at the top and not enclosed like the Amscot dumpster. If a dead body were placed there, someone would have noticed the odor much sooner than if she were placed in an enclosed dumpster.

Apparently search dogs did not hit on the dumpster in the photo or we would have heard something by now. I seem to remember that the dogs indicated an interest in the Amscot dumpster area.

MURT
Hi, Murt!

Good observation, but what if the dumpster was empty enough at the time Casey may have disposed of Caylee. The dumpster may have been filled further later on. The doors could have been openable when Casey used it.

also, I'm not sure whether the dogs "hit" on this dumpster or not, but there is crime tape around it, so I would presume it is "of interest."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 25, 2008, 09:34:46 AM
Orlando Sentinel

Parents to visit Casey Anthony in jail
Casey Anthony has agreed to see her parents this morning for a scheduled visit at the Orange County Jail.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 25, 2008, 09:36:33 AM
Orlando Sentinel

Parents to visit Casey Anthony in jail
Casey Anthony has agreed to see her parents this morning for a scheduled visit at the Orange County Jail.

OK ignore me, that was from August. I really need another cup of coffee. Sorry!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: sharon on October 25, 2008, 09:37:16 AM
What could be more important than talking to the security guard inside the house? Why didn't LP ask questions? I think it's horrible that a minister would do anything like passing letters, whether he believes KC is innocent or not, there is a murder case going on here and LE needs to get a handle on this!

It is frustrating when safeguards that have been put in place to preserve 'rights' are exploited for someone like KC. But under our constitution, she still deserves these rights. Maddening as it may be.

I wonder who Leonard means when he says..........

 "But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded. "

they = security guard and KC?
they = anthony family?
they = ????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: oldfart on October 25, 2008, 09:39:21 AM
:smt006 Monkeys

I know this is way out in  deep, deep Left field....
but if a deceased body (may have been decased 30-60 min) was on the ground for just a few minutes   would a cadaver dog be able to hit on that ground area month later ?

I just cannot see Caylee in the back yard for any lengthh of time ... esp.  if the family dog roamed around there.   

Also my memory is gone on this...   The day the shovel was borrowed vs the missing gas cans..  and the car backed into the drive way   18th, 24th, ??   ::MonkeyConfused::  a little reminder please  and thank you.
I do not know the answer to that OF....but at scumoftheearthmarklewis's house the cadaver dogs hit on the washing machine that he washed the comforter he wrapped her in, so I would guess the answer could be yes...
Cubbee  Thank you
IIRC  Kaitlin would not have been wrapped in it very long.   

 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 09:42:21 AM
What could be more important than talking to the security guard inside the house? Why didn't LP ask questions? I think it's horrible that a minister would do anything like passing letters, whether he believes KC is innocent or not, there is a murder case going on here and LE needs to get a handle on this!

It is frustrating when safeguards that have been put in place to preserve 'rights' are exploited for someone like KC. But under our constitution, she still deserves these rights. Maddening as it may be.

I wonder who Leonard means when he says..........

 "But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded. "

they = security guard and KC?
they = anthony family?
they = ????


I'm sure it was the Anthony family.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: oldfart on October 25, 2008, 09:50:25 AM
Ooops  for got my manners....   Good Morning Monkeys   :smt006

Trying to get the Old Monkey Butt motivated to get stuff  household Stuff done today ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
Hoping some one will copy this into the next New Clean Cage
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With all the New Monkeys  ::MonkeyDance::
You  just never know who might be local or GREAT at finding places to spread the word in the area
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Any Monkeys that happens on this post   that are in the Haughton / Shreveport / Bossier City area of Louisiana or know someone there ...
OR good at finding local sites and posting information
PLEASE  read...

About a upcoming  TES search  for Clinton Nelson November 8th-9th  His Mother Carolyn is a Monkey
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3638.0
For Clinton's story  you can read through his thread in OUR Missing Person Section  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1318.0
At this time I'm not sure what may be needed besides spreading the word to that area someway. To me it is a way we can assist TES... and the mother/family of a missing person.   

This may be the same time TES will be back Looking for Caylee so National Media for Clinton's search will not happen.   BUT  I do pray that TES could get enough support in both searches to find both Caylee and Clinton.
Link to Search poster  as a JPEG http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/TESClinton2.jpg
AND as a PDF that can be down loaded http://www.sharepdfbooks.com/26RZAOL8293A/Nov_8_9_Search_1_.pdf.html
TIA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 25, 2008, 09:50:36 AM
The media-management firm representing Anthony's attorney issued a statement:

  "Today's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection whatsoever with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother, father and the Baez law firm continue to believe that Casey's daughter is still alive."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508oct25,0,5047582.story


Lordhavemercy...these people get under my skin.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Mornin sweet monkeys!!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: oldfart on October 25, 2008, 09:56:42 AM
The media-management firm representing Anthony's attorney issued a statement:

  "Today's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection whatsoever with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother, father and the Baez law firm continue to believe that Casey's daughter is still alive."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508oct25,0,5047582.story


Lordhavemercy...these people get under my skin.... ::MonkeyConfused::

Mornin sweet monkeys!!  ::MonkeyWink::
LOL  LIttleOne  I thought that was an old release... but NOooo it was issued October 25, 2008  ::MonkeyConfused::  too


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Sandcranelady on October 25, 2008, 09:57:29 AM
deny deny deny ,that's their story.  These Anthonys make me sick..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 09:58:15 AM
The media-management firm representing Anthony's attorney issued a statement:

  "Today's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection whatsoever with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother, father and the Baez law firm continue to believe that Casey's daughter is still alive."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508oct25,0,5047582.story


Lordhavemercy...these people get under my skin.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Mornin sweet monkeys!!  ::MonkeyWink::

They know they are in a world of hurt so they are just saying what they have too...

Good morning littleone!!!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/little-monkey.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 25, 2008, 09:59:25 AM
The media-management firm representing Anthony's attorney issued a statement:

  "Today's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection whatsoever with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother, father and the Baez law firm continue to believe that Casey's daughter is still alive."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508oct25,0,5047582.story


Lordhavemercy...these people get under my skin.... ::MonkeyConfused::

Mornin sweet monkeys!!  ::MonkeyWink::
LOL  LIttleOne  I thought that was an old release... but NOooo it was issued October 25, 2008  ::MonkeyConfused::  too

Mornin OF..
Nope it is new and seems like they are ALL drinkin the Casey Kool-Aid.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  i have never in my lifetime seen ANYTHING like this!!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: oldfart on October 25, 2008, 09:59:44 AM
Good Morning everyone , i am in orlando today for husbands  remote control races , I am thinking of caylee.
Wishing for this baby to be found.
any chance of wiring one of DH cars(?) for audio / video and running into the Anthothy yard for live  news feeds ???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 25, 2008, 10:01:48 AM
The media-management firm representing Anthony's attorney issued a statement:

  "Today's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection whatsoever with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother, father and the Baez law firm continue to believe that Casey's daughter is still alive."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508oct25,0,5047582.story


Lordhavemercy...these people get under my skin.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Mornin sweet monkeys!!  ::MonkeyWink::

They know they are in a world of hurt so they are just saying what they have too...

Good morning littleone!!!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/little-monkey.gif)

Mornin tater-that has to be the cutest little monkey i have ever seen!!  ::MonkeyWink:: --i love it!!

Probly right tater-but my gosh..i am so tired of them twisting and spinning. i wonder if anyone is believin their tales. :(


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: oldfart on October 25, 2008, 10:03:52 AM
Got to go and get stuff done  or  I will have to purchase some (http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.Drugstore.com/prodimg/172067/200.jpg) too   ::MonkeyWink::

SeeYaByeeeeeeeee


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 10:05:11 AM
Got to go and get stuff done  or  I will have to purchase some (http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.Drugstore.com/prodimg/172067/200.jpg) too   ::MonkeyWink::

SeeYaByeeeeeeeee


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Hurry back!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 10:07:46 AM
The media-management firm representing Anthony's attorney issued a statement:

  "Today's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection whatsoever with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother, father and the Baez law firm continue to believe that Casey's daughter is still alive."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508oct25,0,5047582.story


Lordhavemercy...these people get under my skin.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Mornin sweet monkeys!!  ::MonkeyWink::

They know they are in a world of hurt so they are just saying what they have too...

Good morning littleone!!!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/little-monkey.gif)

Mornin tater-that has to be the cutest little monkey i have ever seen!!  ::MonkeyWink:: --i love it!!

Probly right tater-but my gosh..i am so tired of them twisting and spinning. i wonder if anyone is believin their tales. :(

Maybe a few but I think most know the truth.The GJ sure wasn't buying....(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/77.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 25, 2008, 10:14:02 AM
The media-management firm representing Anthony's attorney issued a statement:

  "Today's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection whatsoever with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother, father and the Baez law firm continue to believe that Casey's daughter is still alive."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508oct25,0,5047582.story


Lordhavemercy...these people get under my skin.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Mornin sweet monkeys!!  ::MonkeyWink::

Wonder why Lee isn't mentioned in the above statement?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: jaggard19 on October 25, 2008, 10:16:42 AM
Okay, when checking to make sure I did not buy the winning Mega Millions ticket last night, I did check to see the list of previous winners.  Is this wierd or what?

On May 16, 2008, the Anthony Trust of Amelia Ohio won $196 million in the Mega Millions Lottery!

http://www.megamillions.com/winners/jackpothistory.asp

Maybe that is why the Ohio Anthony clan is not in touch with the Anthony group in Orlando!

Strange!



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 25, 2008, 10:16:42 AM
The media-management firm representing Anthony's attorney issued a statement:

  "Today's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection whatsoever with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother, father and the Baez law firm continue to believe that Casey's daughter is still alive."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508oct25,0,5047582.story


Lordhavemercy...these people get under my skin.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Mornin sweet monkeys!!  ::MonkeyWink::

Wonder why Lee isn't mentioned in the above statement?

good catch.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 25, 2008, 10:17:29 AM
The media-management firm representing Anthony's attorney issued a statement:

  "Today's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection whatsoever with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother, father and the Baez law firm continue to believe that Casey's daughter is still alive."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508oct25,0,5047582.story


Lordhavemercy...these people get under my skin.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Mornin sweet monkeys!!  ::MonkeyWink::

They know they are in a world of hurt so they are just saying what they have too...

Good morning littleone!!!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/little-monkey.gif)

Mornin tater-that has to be the cutest little monkey i have ever seen!!  ::MonkeyWink:: --i love it!!

Probly right tater-but my gosh..i am so tired of them twisting and spinning. i wonder if anyone is believin their tales. :(

Maybe a few but I think most know the truth.The GJ sure wasn't buying....(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/77.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yep-the GJ must have heard enough to convince them. i have to believe that the prosecution has enough evidence to convict her. i am praying so hard that Tim and TES finds little Caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 25, 2008, 10:19:13 AM
The media-management firm representing Anthony's attorney issued a statement:

  "Today's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection whatsoever with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother, father and the Baez law firm continue to believe that Casey's daughter is still alive."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508oct25,0,5047582.story


Lordhavemercy...these people get under my skin.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Mornin sweet monkeys!!  ::MonkeyWink::

Wonder why Lee isn't mentioned in the above statement?

STRANGE isn't it...i sure didn't catch that. Maybe Cindy and George are distancing themselves from him. He may in the end be UNDER the bus.

  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 25, 2008, 10:24:46 AM
Okay, when checking to make sure I did not buy the winning Mega Millions ticket last night, I did check to see the list of previous winners.  Is this wierd or what?

On May 16, 2008, the Anthony Trust of Amelia Ohio won $196 million in the Mega Millions Lottery!

http://www.megamillions.com/winners/jackpothistory.asp

Maybe that is why the Ohio Anthony clan is not in touch with the Anthony group in Orlando!

Strange!



Very strange!!!
jackpot drawn May 16, 2008 has come forward to claim the prize in trust. Christine A. Buttress, trustee, came to the Ohio Lottery’s Cleveland headquarters today to complete the claim on behalf of The Anthony Trust.
 
The holder of the ticket chose the annuity. The trust will receive a first- time payment of $7,550,000 before mandatory Federal and State tax withholdings. The trust will then receive annual payments of $7,538,000 for the next 25 years before mandatory Federal and State tax withholdings.
 
The winning ticket was purchased at Main Street Wine & Spirits of Amelia.  The winner used the auto lotto feature when purchasing the ticket. The winning numbers were 6-11-39-46-47 + 26. Main Street Wine & Spirits received a $100,000 bonus for selling a jackpot-winning ticket.
 
Tonight’s Mega Millions’ jackpot is $34 million.


http://www.ohiolottery.com/press_releases/PressReleasesDet.aspx?Id=1340


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 10:29:38 AM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17800136/detail.html

Hard Evidence Confirms Decomposition In Casey Anthony's Car
Reports Also Confirm High Levels Of Chloroform


POSTED: 12:06 am EDT October 25, 2008
UPDATED: 12:14 am EDT October 25, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Hard evidence released on Friday showed that at some point there was definitely a dead body in Casey Anthony's car.

The same report also showed that there was a strong presence of chloroform. Both findings confirm information sources previously revealed to WESH 2 News about missing 3-year-old Caylee Anthony's mother.

A chemist explained what the findings could mean for the investigation.

"This is what our tissues are made of," said chemist Dr. Jeff Flowers about the findings inside Casey Anthony's trunk. "This is a horrid thing to talk about, really."

Flowers said, after reading through the report from a body farm in Tennessee, he believes compounds found in the air in Casey Anthony's trunk point clearly to human decomposition.

"They did not base this on one or two positive identifications, but on many," Flowers said. "So it's very strong evidence in my mind as a chemist (of) decomposition of a body in the car, of a human body in the car."


In addition to evidence of human decomposition, scientists at the Tennessee body farm also found unusually high levels of chloroform.

"These are higher than what they might expect from decomposition products, and that means they have to have been put there artificially by a human being," Flowers said.

Also released Friday were tests from an FBI lab that conclude a strand of hair found in Casey Anthony's trunk showed signs of decomposition at the root, and under a microscope it appeared similar to hair taken from Caylee's hairbrush. But the sample was too small to draw a conclusion.

A DNA test on the same hair strand confirmed it came from either Casey or Caylee Anthony.

The body farm also said it found compounds that could indicate the decomposition took place in anaerobic conditions, meaning without oxygen, but Flowers said it's not strong evidence.

"One theory, if you've been following the case, is that she was buried somewhere else and then transferred into the car," Flowers said. "But it's pretty speculative."

Todd Black, the representative for Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said the release of the documents do not show any proof that Casey Anthony harmed her daughter.

A representative for Orange County Jail said a pastor from Eastside Baptist Church met with Casey Anthony for about three hours Friday morning.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 10:40:44 AM
Does anyone have any information concerning the prosecuter that will be taking on this case? Any history at all? I have a feeling that alot of this will hinge on his/her closing arguement and I'd like to see some of them if possible from other cases.I hope it will be so passionate that there will not be a dry eye in the courtroom on Casey's behalf!..

Another note about Lee..I have a feeling that he was told by the defense and the Anthony's to shut up and get lost because he really did give alot of damaging information out against Casey.So much so that even what he has already said is going to be really hard to dispute.Add the things Cindy has said and I think personally,they are in awhole lot of trouble...jmo

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons00947.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 25, 2008, 10:41:01 AM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17800136/detail.html

Hard Evidence Confirms Decomposition In Casey Anthony's Car
Reports Also Confirm High Levels Of Chloroform


POSTED: 12:06 am EDT October 25, 2008
UPDATED: 12:14 am EDT October 25, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Hard evidence released on Friday showed that at some point there was definitely a dead body in Casey Anthony's car.

The same report also showed that there was a strong presence of chloroform. Both findings confirm information sources previously revealed to WESH 2 News about missing 3-year-old Caylee Anthony's mother.

A chemist explained what the findings could mean for the investigation.

"This is what our tissues are made of," said chemist Dr. Jeff Flowers about the findings inside Casey Anthony's trunk. "This is a horrid thing to talk about, really."

Flowers said, after reading through the report from a body farm in Tennessee, he believes compounds found in the air in Casey Anthony's trunk point clearly to human decomposition.

"They did not base this on one or two positive identifications, but on many," Flowers said. "So it's very strong evidence in my mind as a chemist (of) decomposition of a body in the car, of a human body in the car."


In addition to evidence of human decomposition, scientists at the Tennessee body farm also found unusually high levels of chloroform.

"These are higher than what they might expect from decomposition products, and that means they have to have been put there artificially by a human being," Flowers said.

Also released Friday were tests from an FBI lab that conclude a strand of hair found in Casey Anthony's trunk showed signs of decomposition at the root, and under a microscope it appeared similar to hair taken from Caylee's hairbrush. But the sample was too small to draw a conclusion.

A DNA test on the same hair strand confirmed it came from either Casey or Caylee Anthony.

The body farm also said it found compounds that could indicate the decomposition took place in anaerobic conditions, meaning without oxygen, but Flowers said it's not strong evidence.

"One theory, if you've been following the case, is that she was buried somewhere else and then transferred into the car," Flowers said. "But it's pretty speculative."

Todd Black, the representative for Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said the release of the documents do not show any proof that Casey Anthony harmed her daughter.

A representative for Orange County Jail said a pastor from Eastside Baptist Church met with Casey Anthony for about three hours Friday morning.

WOW!!

Morning all monkey's!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Klaas Could I be a pain and ask for the youtube link again please.  Thank you so kindly. for some reason I keep saving it my favorites and it keeps going away???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 10:42:40 AM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17800136/detail.html

Hard Evidence Confirms Decomposition In Casey Anthony's Car
Reports Also Confirm High Levels Of Chloroform


POSTED: 12:06 am EDT October 25, 2008
UPDATED: 12:14 am EDT October 25, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Hard evidence released on Friday showed that at some point there was definitely a dead body in Casey Anthony's car.

The same report also showed that there was a strong presence of chloroform. Both findings confirm information sources previously revealed to WESH 2 News about missing 3-year-old Caylee Anthony's mother.

A chemist explained what the findings could mean for the investigation.

"This is what our tissues are made of," said chemist Dr. Jeff Flowers about the findings inside Casey Anthony's trunk. "This is a horrid thing to talk about, really."

Flowers said, after reading through the report from a body farm in Tennessee, he believes compounds found in the air in Casey Anthony's trunk point clearly to human decomposition.

"They did not base this on one or two positive identifications, but on many," Flowers said. "So it's very strong evidence in my mind as a chemist (of) decomposition of a body in the car, of a human body in the car."


In addition to evidence of human decomposition, scientists at the Tennessee body farm also found unusually high levels of chloroform.

"These are higher than what they might expect from decomposition products, and that means they have to have been put there artificially by a human being," Flowers said.

Also released Friday were tests from an FBI lab that conclude a strand of hair found in Casey Anthony's trunk showed signs of decomposition at the root, and under a microscope it appeared similar to hair taken from Caylee's hairbrush. But the sample was too small to draw a conclusion.

A DNA test on the same hair strand confirmed it came from either Casey or Caylee Anthony.

The body farm also said it found compounds that could indicate the decomposition took place in anaerobic conditions, meaning without oxygen, but Flowers said it's not strong evidence.

"One theory, if you've been following the case, is that she was buried somewhere else and then transferred into the car," Flowers said. "But it's pretty speculative."

Todd Black, the representative for Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said the release of the documents do not show any proof that Casey Anthony harmed her daughter.

A representative for Orange County Jail said a pastor from Eastside Baptist Church met with Casey Anthony for about three hours Friday morning.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gm.gif) Klaas!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 10:44:52 AM
Does anyone have any information concerning the prosecuter that will be taking on this case? Any history at all? I have a feeling that alot of this will hinge on his/her closing arguement and I'd like to see some of them if possible from other cases.I hope it will be so passionate that there will not be a dry eye in the courtroom on Casey's behalf!..

Another note about Lee..I have a feeling that he was told by the defense and the Anthony's to shut up and get lost because he really did give alot of damaging information out against Casey.So much so that even what he has already said is going to be really hard to dispute.Add the things Cindy has said and I think personally,they are in awhole lot of trouble...jmo

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/AddEmoticons00947.gif)


Uh noooooooooooooooooo..I meant to type Caylee's behalf!!!!!(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/131.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 25, 2008, 10:46:12 AM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17800136/detail.html

Hard Evidence Confirms Decomposition In Casey Anthony's Car
Reports Also Confirm High Levels Of Chloroform


POSTED: 12:06 am EDT October 25, 2008
UPDATED: 12:14 am EDT October 25, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Hard evidence released on Friday showed that at some point there was definitely a dead body in Casey Anthony's car.

The same report also showed that there was a strong presence of chloroform. Both findings confirm information sources previously revealed to WESH 2 News about missing 3-year-old Caylee Anthony's mother.

A chemist explained what the findings could mean for the investigation.

"This is what our tissues are made of," said chemist Dr. Jeff Flowers about the findings inside Casey Anthony's trunk. "This is a horrid thing to talk about, really."

Flowers said, after reading through the report from a body farm in Tennessee, he believes compounds found in the air in Casey Anthony's trunk point clearly to human decomposition.

"They did not base this on one or two positive identifications, but on many," Flowers said. "So it's very strong evidence in my mind as a chemist (of) decomposition of a body in the car, of a human body in the car."


In addition to evidence of human decomposition, scientists at the Tennessee body farm also found unusually high levels of chloroform.

"These are higher than what they might expect from decomposition products, and that means they have to have been put there artificially by a human being," Flowers said.

Also released Friday were tests from an FBI lab that conclude a strand of hair found in Casey Anthony's trunk showed signs of decomposition at the root, and under a microscope it appeared similar to hair taken from Caylee's hairbrush. But the sample was too small to draw a conclusion.

A DNA test on the same hair strand confirmed it came from either Casey or Caylee Anthony.

The body farm also said it found compounds that could indicate the decomposition took place in anaerobic conditions, meaning without oxygen, but Flowers said it's not strong evidence.

"One theory, if you've been following the case, is that she was buried somewhere else and then transferred into the car," Flowers said. "But it's pretty speculative."

Todd Black, the representative for Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said the release of the documents do not show any proof that Casey Anthony harmed her daughter.

A representative for Orange County Jail said a pastor from Eastside Baptist Church met with Casey Anthony for about three hours Friday morning.

Good Morning to all!!

Gee, I guess the The media-management firm representing Anthony's attorney didn't
 read the report!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

They issued a statement:

  "Today's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection whatsoever with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother, father and the Baez law firm continue to believe that Casey's daughter is still alive."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508oct25,0,5047582.story

I quickly scanned the postings of last night....re: the rosary Casey was wearing around her neck..I am SURE I read that some well wisher had sent it...not bought at JCP....and I am still confused over the statement that Casey bought Caylee a cross at JCP....LP said this on NG? And it came from Cindy? On well.....I guess I can  disregard that tidbit as truth since it came from Cindy!!

So Casey is very religous huh!  What religion....witchcraft???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 10:57:31 AM
SunnyinTx wrote:
"I quickly scanned the postings of last night....re: the rosary Casey was wearing around her neck..I am SURE I read that some well wisher had sent it...not bought at JCP....and I am still confused over the statement that Casey bought Caylee a cross at JCP....LP said this on NG? And it came from Cindy? On well.....I guess I can  disregard that tidbit as truth since it came from Cindy!!

So Casey is very religous huh!  What religion....witchcraft??? "(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/sign0142.gif)(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/lolololol-1.gif)


(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gm.gif) Sunny!!!
Galatians 6:7
   Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/gifs3/gifs4/gifs5/AddEmoticons12693.gif)








Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 10:57:32 AM
Lisa39 - which youtube link?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 25, 2008, 11:09:16 AM
So there is evidence of a decomposing body in the trunk, the defense is saying that it does NOT prove that Casey Anthony did the crime. In KC's words "Not MY Fault". So I'm wondering how the defense is going to explain this away?

Poor KC, runs out of gas, leaves her car in a parking lot for a few days while she thinks about maybe getting some gas for it and SOMEONE comes along and puts a dead body in her trunk for no good reason! Then comes back and takes the body out? We can dub him the Attention Deficit Disorder Killer! Just can't make up his mind where to put a perfectly good dead body! Oh JB you really have your job cut out for you.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 25, 2008, 11:11:51 AM
From nancy Grace transcript (thanks so much Blonde)

VERY INTERESTING!
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: Well, you said it at the first part of your statement, and when we were back there, we had a young lady actually living with her, 24/7, traveling to the attorney`s office back and forth for nine days.

There is a lot of things that the young lady knows that she hasn`t revealed and I have not asked her. But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded.
 


A little info on the lady that was living in the Anthony's home 24/7.

 George told me, that this lady showed very little respect while living there, and George and her had two very big run-ins.
Even though George gave her full run of the house, like in & out of the fridge without asking (things like that), he tried to be accommodating.

1st blow up: She went out the back sliding door, and kept to sliding doors wide open. He said to here : :What in the F*** are you doing, keeping these doors open!!" A shout matched ensued. He told me he rarely uses the "F" word, but what she did, made him very upset. I didn't ask him (and didn't tell me), why this made him so upset. My theories on this:  She did this often, and was told not to do keep the doors open. Either because the A/C in the house was running, or because of security reasons while Casey was in the house.

2nd blow up: Even though she had her own lap top computer, George caught her on their home computer without reason, and without asking permission. This did not sit well with George at all. He asked me if I would ever use someones computer first without asking. My relpy, was "NO", I wouldn't.

All in all....George did not like her at all, and wanted her the heck out of the house...ASAP. George also told me, that her being there was self serving, as she's now going to write a book about her stay with them.

Chuck





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 11:12:02 AM
So there is evidence of a decomposing body in the trunk, the defense is saying that it does NOT prove that Casey Anthony did the crime. In KC's words "Not MY Fault". So I'm wondering how the defense is going to explain this away?

Poor KC, runs out of gas, leaves her car in a parking lot for a few days while she thinks about maybe getting some gas for it and SOMEONE comes along and puts a dead body in her trunk for no good reason! Then comes back and takes the body out? We can dub him the Attention Deficit Disorder Killer! Just can't make up his mind where to put a perfectly good dead body! Oh JB you really have your job cut out for you.

Defense: 

No proof it was Caylee
Plenty of time for someone to put a dead body in car at tow yard
Even if it was Caylee, no proof Casey was involved
Even if you prove Casey was involved, no proof it wasn't an accident


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 25, 2008, 11:12:02 AM
So there is evidence of a decomposing body in the trunk, the defense is saying that it does NOT prove that Casey Anthony did the crime. In KC's words "Not MY Fault". So I'm wondering how the defense is going to explain this away?

Poor KC, runs out of gas, leaves her car in a parking lot for a few days while she thinks about maybe getting some gas for it and SOMEONE comes along and puts a dead body in her trunk for no good reason! Then comes back and takes the body out? We can dub him the Attention Deficit Disorder Killer! Just can't make up his mind where to put a perfectly good dead body! Oh JB you really have your job cut out for you.

The oddest part of that is that we are to believe that the body they put in there temporarily was of the same Mdna as Casey and Caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: CatToy on October 25, 2008, 11:12:27 AM
I want to hear more about why Lee said the "smell" in Casey's car all started around the time of Moms birthday......Which of course is the first week in June.

I think this really does go back to the birthday party that Cindy had.  The one where Casey had to go buy more alcohol even though Cindy seemed to have enough in the fridge.

Sometimes our words hang us.  Well, not sometimes, always.  When Lee said this to LE that it "all started that weekend of Moms birthday" well that to me, says a lot.

Nice to see you Monkeys!!
Starting off a dark rainy Sat over here.  The Doc Dump was very telling, I think local media, NY and CNN NBC included needs to STOP giving these liars a forum to spew their nonsense of Caylee is alive!  It's no different than the  McCanns spewing Madeleine is alive!  And I think they are totally using their script and their case.  Right down to Cindy holding up that dress on national TV. 

I hope that somehow this family is indicted for their part in the death of Caylee Marie.  I hold them all accountable in my heart and in my mind. 

Cat


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 25, 2008, 11:13:44 AM
From nancy Grace transcript (thanks so much Blonde)

VERY INTERESTING!
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: Well, you said it at the first part of your statement, and when we were back there, we had a young lady actually living with her, 24/7, traveling to the attorney`s office back and forth for nine days.

There is a lot of things that the young lady knows that she hasn`t revealed and I have not asked her. But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded.
 


A little info on the lady that was living in the Anthony's home 24/7.

 George told me, that this lady showed very little respect while living there, and George and her had two very big run-ins.
Even though George gave her full run of the house, like in & out of the fridge without asking (things like that), he tried to be accommodating.

1st blow up: She went out the back sliding door, and kept to sliding doors wide open. He said to here : :What in the F*** are you doing, keeping these doors open!!" A shout matched ensued. He told me he rarely uses the "F" word, but what she did, made him very upset. I didn't ask him (and didn't tell me), why this made him so upset. My theories on this:  She did this often, and was told not to do keep the doors open. Either because the A/C in the house was running, or because of security reasons while Casey was in the house.

2nd blow up: Even though she had her own lap top computer, George caught her on their home computer without reason, and without asking permission. This did not sit well with George at all. He asked me if I would ever use someones computer first without asking. My relpy, was "NO", I wouldn't.

All in all....George did not like her at all, and wanted her the heck out of the house...ASAP. George also told me, that her being there was self serving, as she's now going to write a book about her stay with them.

Chuck






Are you friends with George?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2008, 11:15:02 AM
Any statements coming from the PR firm will not become " evidence" or be presented to a jury to sway them.
Neither will anything Baez says outside of court. Or the Anthony family for that matter.
..
I am very surprisesd at Kobe. His opinion sure isn't very objective on this one and it makes a person wonder why I took his word previously on anything he commented on on NG. I sure won't take his word for anything on any case any more.
..
I did read that the 5,000 tips that the OCSD received that were released to the Anthony family mostly came from psychics. No hard tips.
 
 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Russ on October 25, 2008, 11:16:20 AM
I want to hear more about why Lee said the "smell" in Casey's car all started around the time of Moms birthday......Which of course is the first week in June.

I think this really does go back to the birthday party that Cindy had.  The one where Casey had to go buy more alcohol even though Cindy seemed to have enough in the fridge.

Sometimes our words hang us.  Well, not sometimes, always.  When Lee said this to LE that it "all started that weekend of Moms birthday" well that to me, says a lot.

Nice to see you Monkeys!!
Starting off a dark rainy Sat over here.  The Doc Dump was very telling, I think local media, NY and CNN NBC included needs to STOP giving these liars a forum to spew their nonsense of Caylee is alive!  It's no different than the  McCanns spewing Madeleine is alive!  And I think they are totally using their script and their case.  Right down to Cindy holding up that dress on national TV. 

I hope that somehow this family is indicted for their part in the death of Caylee Marie.  I hold them all accountable in my heart and in my mind. 

Cat


I think she said that far after the 15th of June didn't she?  About the smell from that date?  When the 9th was circled around by the whole family I think that was more in line with the young lady that was raped and murdered in Blanchard park at that time.  A mere camera they forgot to cleanse was the only slip up there.  They should have deleted those pictures before law enforcement took the camera because that changed their time line to the 15th of June.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 11:17:16 AM
From nancy Grace transcript (thanks so much Blonde)

VERY INTERESTING!
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: Well, you said it at the first part of your statement, and when we were back there, we had a young lady actually living with her, 24/7, traveling to the attorney`s office back and forth for nine days.

There is a lot of things that the young lady knows that she hasn`t revealed and I have not asked her. But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded.
 


A little info on the lady that was living in the Anthony's home 24/7.

 George told me, that this lady showed very little respect while living there, and George and her had two very big run-ins.
Even though George gave her full run of the house, like in & out of the fridge without asking (things like that), he tried to be accommodating.

1st blow up: She went out the back sliding door, and kept to sliding doors wide open. He said to here : :What in the F*** are you doing, keeping these doors open!!" A shout matched ensued. He told me he rarely uses the "F" word, but what she did, made him very upset. I didn't ask him (and didn't tell me), why this made him so upset. My theories on this:  She did this often, and was told not to do keep the doors open. Either because the A/C in the house was running, or because of security reasons while Casey was in the house.

2nd blow up: Even though she had her own lap top computer, George caught her on their home computer without reason, and without asking permission. This did not sit well with George at all. He asked me if I would ever use someones computer first without asking. My relpy, was "NO", I wouldn't.

All in all....George did not like her at all, and wanted her the heck out of the house...ASAP. George also told me, that her being there was self serving, as she's now going to write a book about her stay with them.

Chuck





IMO the Anthony's made a deal with the devil (so to speak, not saying LP is the devil  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )by agreeing to the terms of her first bail.  I wouldn't want the intrusion of a stranger in my home and I'd be mad if they touched my computer as well.  Actually I won't even let my husband mess with my computer, LOLOL  ::MonkeyWink:: .  That said, I don't know which would be worse..living with Casey knowing what she has probably done, or having a rude stranger in your home.  It's a toss up to me  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 25, 2008, 11:18:52 AM
Lisa39 - which youtube link?

For NG please if you have it and don't mind.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 11:19:11 AM
From nancy Grace transcript (thanks so much Blonde)

VERY INTERESTING!
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: Well, you said it at the first part of your statement, and when we were back there, we had a young lady actually living with her, 24/7, traveling to the attorney`s office back and forth for nine days.

There is a lot of things that the young lady knows that she hasn`t revealed and I have not asked her. But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded.
 


A little info on the lady that was living in the Anthony's home 24/7.

 George told me, that this lady showed very little respect while living there, and George and her had two very big run-ins.
Even though George gave her full run of the house, like in & out of the fridge without asking (things like that), he tried to be accommodating.

1st blow up: She went out the back sliding door, and kept to sliding doors wide open. He said to here : :What in the F*** are you doing, keeping these doors open!!" A shout matched ensued. He told me he rarely uses the "F" word, but what she did, made him very upset. I didn't ask him (and didn't tell me), why this made him so upset. My theories on this:  She did this often, and was told not to do keep the doors open. Either because the A/C in the house was running, or because of security reasons while Casey was in the house.

2nd blow up: Even though she had her own lap top computer, George caught her on their home computer without reason, and without asking permission. This did not sit well with George at all. He asked me if I would ever use someones computer first without asking. My relpy, was "NO", I wouldn't.

All in all....George did not like her at all, and wanted her the heck out of the house...ASAP. George also told me, that her being there was self serving, as she's now going to write a book about her stay with them.

Chuck






(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/5-2.gif)...This is George saying this..(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/whistle.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 11:19:45 AM
RUSS - here is one of Colt45's first posts:

I'm back.

First, I will not be grilled on this forum like a cheese sandwich. They're are some questions I will address.

I should have expected to be called out as a liar, as being someone other than the person I say I am. Go figure. When does someone need to verify who they are when posting on a public forum?? What other forums have I posted on? Just this one. One poster asked why I'm  posting here. Answer: Because I can. Why do any of you post here? My bet? They same reason I do.

I've been accused of being a "PR" man from either the Anthony's family, or from their lawyer's office. Wow...you came from this conclusion from only ONE post. Also being accused of not being the "Chuck" who works for the company that I supplied information on. These are totally unfounded conclusions, that do not do well for these posters creditability.

My Background:

Disabled Viet Nam Veteran. During the first Space Shuttle launch, through the Challenger mishap, I was a full time SWAT Team member at the Kennedy Space Center. During this time, I was also a Reserve Deputy Sheriff for Brevard County. This information is only relevant to show that I have some experience in law enforcement. As such, I have gained some ability to "read" people. No, I'm not a human lie detector, but I can smell BS when I'm near it. There was none for me to smell when talking to George.

When my disability got to the point where I could no longer work in the capacity as a SWAT member, I moved on. I do indeed work for the company I posted earlier. I'm a senior salesperson, assisting others in restorations of their Corvette's, or their selection of high performance add-ons. I've been doing this for 19 1/2 years (I now...I stated 20...close enough??) Do I, or have I ever worked for a PR firm?? NO! Do I work for for the Anthony's...again, NO! And thinking that I do, after reading just my first post.....is laughable.

Back to the Anthony's...

Nowhere did I post that George and I are "old friends", or "drinking buddies". I first Contacted the Anthony's via e-mail, to show my support for missing Cay lee...NOT Casey! Anita and I met up with George in Orlando. We also met Dennis & Sherri, who are the founders of "Kid Finders Network". This by they way...is a very good and respected origination.

I had about a 4hr candid conversation with George. There were some very personal things that were told to me, that a "Liar" would not of said. Things the "Rag Mags" would love to have, and would pay for. We hit it off very well, and we both gained each others trust, in a very short period of time. Not easy, considering the circumstances. We were both Cops at one time, maybe this is way. Or maybe it was just that we were both men that we could trust.

It's my opinion, that the news media is adding fuel to the fire. They are making it the circus. Perhaps what George has told me will come to be known as the truth. They're are a couple of news stations that have protesters on their payroll. These fights between the protesters and the Anthony's makes for good news (ratings). Many of these protesters would not be there, if it wasn't for the news cameras. They are more likely there to get their face on the nightly news, than finding the truth.

Think for one moment: How would you act towards the protesters (young & old), if they were in front of your home 24/7...beating on your door, throwing things at your house, yelling and making some pretty vile comments? You can poke a stick at the most friendly dog...and eventually, the dog will bite. Some here ask "why don't the Anthony's just stay inside"? Why should they. They live there, and the protester don't! They belong to an HOA, and even keeping the lawn mowed is a chore because of the protesters. In fact, I was supposed to do their lawn for them last Sunday. George called me at home telling me the protesters are getting to out of hand, and did not want me to have issues with them.

Anyway...back on track. When I left Orlando, George and I felt that this was a start of good (and honest) friendship. Thus, me calling him a "friend". Has anyone here met new people for the first time, and then having left them, saying that you have made "new friends"?

I'm not "defending" the Anthony's, nor do I know all of the truths or lies (except for Caseys...she lies everytime her lips move). 

Just remember: One persons opinion here...weighs no more than others. Some posters here have already shown that thay can raise the BS flag quickly, prior to facts.  I will not try to defend myself on this thread, any more than I already have. From this point forward, I will offer my opinion, but little else. I'm not going to be "put on trial" so to speak.

One must alway's believe what's in their heart.

Chuck

(((sorry for the long post)))




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 11:20:56 AM
From nancy Grace transcript (thanks so much Blonde)

VERY INTERESTING!
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: Well, you said it at the first part of your statement, and when we were back there, we had a young lady actually living with her, 24/7, traveling to the attorney`s office back and forth for nine days.

There is a lot of things that the young lady knows that she hasn`t revealed and I have not asked her. But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded.
 


A little info on the lady that was living in the Anthony's home 24/7.

 George told me, that this lady showed very little respect while living there, and George and her had two very big run-ins.
Even though George gave her full run of the house, like in & out of the fridge without asking (things like that), he tried to be accommodating.

1st blow up: She went out the back sliding door, and kept to sliding doors wide open. He said to here : :What in the F*** are you doing, keeping these doors open!!" A shout matched ensued. He told me he rarely uses the "F" word, but what she did, made him very upset. I didn't ask him (and didn't tell me), why this made him so upset. My theories on this:  She did this often, and was told not to do keep the doors open. Either because the A/C in the house was running, or because of security reasons while Casey was in the house.

2nd blow up: Even though she had her own lap top computer, George caught her on their home computer without reason, and without asking permission. This did not sit well with George at all. He asked me if I would ever use someones computer first without asking. My relpy, was "NO", I wouldn't.

All in all....George did not like her at all, and wanted her the heck out of the house...ASAP. George also told me, that her being there was self serving, as she's now going to write a book about her stay with them.

Chuck





Sounds to me that George needs some anger management classes.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: BooMonkey on October 25, 2008, 11:21:03 AM
IMO the cross that KC is wearing at the bank looks like the one Cindy is wearing in her interview along side JB

http://thumbnails.truveo.com/0005/C8/84/C8845399BA2A2D32EBE76D_Large.jpg



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 11:21:54 AM
Lisa39 - which youtube link?

For NG please if you have it and don't mind.

I did a youtube search.  Not sure who this person is who's downloaded NG but here's the link.  Looks like 4 parts:

http://www.youtube.com/user/torbenmiller1


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 11:23:20 AM
Any statements coming from the PR firm will not become " evidence" or be presented to a jury to sway them.
Neither will anything Baez says outside of court. Or the Anthony family for that matter.
..
I am very surprisesd at Kobe. His opinion sure isn't very objective on this one and it makes a person wonder why I took his word previously on anything he commented on on NG. I sure won't take his word for anything on any case any more.
..
I did read that the 5,000 tips that the OCSD received that were released to the Anthony family mostly came from psychics. No hard tips.
 
 

Yep and we know that some of the tips have been followed up on.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 25, 2008, 11:23:46 AM
Any statements coming from the PR firm will not become " evidence" or be presented to a jury to sway them.
Neither will anything Baez says outside of court. Or the Anthony family for that matter.
..
I am very surprisesd at Kobe. His opinion sure isn't very objective on this one and it makes a person wonder why I took his word previously on anything he commented on on NG. I sure won't take his word for anything on any case any more.
..
I did read that the 5,000 tips that the OCSD received that were released to the Anthony family mostly came from psychics. No hard tips.
 
 


I saw that about the tips, that many came from psychics.  Now, wasn't it in the motions hearing that someone said that most of the tips were furnished by Cindy? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 11:24:08 AM
IMO the cross that KC is wearing at the bank looks like the one Cindy is wearing in her interview along side JB

http://thumbnails.truveo.com/0005/C8/84/C8845399BA2A2D32EBE76D_Large.jpg



It sure does!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2008, 11:25:39 AM
I agree with you Klassend on your summation of what  the defense is going to be.
I did watch NG last night and they had a doctor on who said he diagnosed Casey as having a disorder, Schziod affective. I looked it up and did some reading and he could be right. It would have started with Casey around 15  / 16. There is more than one type and it manifests itself sometimes with periods of mania. Non stop talking is a symptom. The person lives in a fantasy world.
The articles went on and on, but it seemed to fit with her lack of emotion.
It can tend to run in families and the symptoms seemed to fit Cindy as well.
There was a psyche report done on Casey in jail, but it is sealed.     


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: flossy on October 25, 2008, 11:25:41 AM
So there is evidence of a decomposing body in the trunk, the defense is saying that it does NOT prove that Casey Anthony did the crime. In KC's words "Not MY Fault". So I'm wondering how the defense is going to explain this away?

Poor KC, runs out of gas, leaves her car in a parking lot for a few days while she thinks about maybe getting some gas for it and SOMEONE comes along and puts a dead body in her trunk for no good reason! Then comes back and takes the body out? We can dub him the Attention Deficit Disorder Killer! Just can't make up his mind where to put a perfectly good dead body! Oh JB you really have your job cut out for you.

The oddest part of that is that we are to believe that the body they put in there temporarily was of the same Mdna as Casey and Caylee.

Now, I'm sure Cindy will come along and say, "All they have is COINCIDENTAL evidence!" 

Good morning, all!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2008, 11:32:45 AM
It was Captain Nevis ( sp ) from the OCSD that said that. About the " tips " coming from the family. He also said smoke screen. I though about it in this way,
You get 5000 tips, 4995 come via Cindy / intuitives, pyschics, and others. Makes it difficult to get to anything reliable.
In the Bernardo / Homolka case here in Canada, the tip line set up was a hinderance to the investigation. There was some good soild information received but it was overwhelming to the investigators, trying to weed them out.   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 25, 2008, 11:34:11 AM
Does anyone remember the approximate time that Cindy called Amy to go to Tony's apartment?
If I remember correctly,Cindy stated that she worked till about 6 PM on 6/15 and that she called Amy(got Amy's phone # off a resume left in Casey's car)right after work.
MY question is this:
George and Cindy picked up the car at 1:55 PM on 6/15.Did Cindy leave work on her lunch hour to retrieve car and money to get the car from the towyard?
Also....who picks up a missing car from a towyard that smells like a dead body has been in it and then just returns to work(and in George's case,goes on to work)when you have a missing grand daughter and daughter?????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: flossy on October 25, 2008, 11:34:45 AM
I want to hear more about why Lee said the "smell" in Casey's car all started around the time of Moms birthday......Which of course is the first week in June.

I think this really does go back to the birthday party that Cindy had.  The one where Casey had to go buy more alcohol even though Cindy seemed to have enough in the fridge.

Sometimes our words hang us.  Well, not sometimes, always.  When Lee said this to LE that it "all started that weekend of Moms birthday" well that to me, says a lot.

Nice to see you Monkeys!!
Starting off a dark rainy Sat over here.  The Doc Dump was very telling, I think local media, NY and CNN NBC included needs to STOP giving these liars a forum to spew their nonsense of Caylee is alive!  It's no different than the  McCanns spewing Madeleine is alive!  And I think they are totally using their script and their case.  Right down to Cindy holding up that dress on national TV. 

I hope that somehow this family is indicted for their part in the death of Caylee Marie.  I hold them all accountable in my heart and in my mind. 

Cat


I think she said that far after the 15th of June didn't she?  About the smell from that date?  When the 9th was circled around by the whole family I think that was more in line with the young lady that was raped and murdered in Blanchard park at that time.  A mere camera they forgot to cleanse was the only slip up there.  They should have deleted those pictures before law enforcement took the camera because that changed their time line to the 15th of June.

The fact that all of them referred to the 9th is just so deliberate, there is no way it was a mistake.  I've always thought of it as their attempt to distance Caylee's "disappearance" from the big fight on the 15th, but maybe that wasn't the ONLY reason for it?!

Regardless, Casey was just way too adamant about the 9th.   Dug her feet in from the get-go.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 11:37:30 AM
Does anyone remember the approximate time that Cindy called Amy to go to Tony's apartment?
If I remember correctly,Cindy stated that she worked till about 6 PM on 6/15 and that she called Amy(got Amy's phone # off a resume left in Casey's car)right after work.
MY question is this:
George and Cindy picked up the car at 1:55 PM on 6/15.Did Cindy leave work on her lunch hour to retrieve car and money to get the car from the towyard?
Also....who picks up a missing car from a towyard that smells like a dead body has been in it and then just returns to work(and in George's case,goes on to work)when you have a missing grand daughter and daughter?????

It makes me wonder just how much George actually knew prior to picking up the car.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 25, 2008, 11:38:21 AM
I agree with you Klassend on your summation of what  the defense is going to be.
I did watch NG last night and they had a doctor on who said he diagnosed Casey as having a disorder, Schziod affective. I looked it up and did some reading and he could be right. It would have started with Casey around 15  / 16. There is more than one type and it manifests itself sometimes with periods of mania. Non stop talking is a symptom. The person lives in a fantasy world.
The articles went on and on, but it seemed to fit with her lack of emotion.
It can tend to run in families and the symptoms seemed to fit Cindy as well.
There was a psyche report done on Casey in jail, but it is sealed.     

Just in looking at the symptoms of Schizoid Affect on Wikepedia:
According to the ICD-10, schizoid personality disorder is characterized by at least three of the following criteria:

    * Emotional coldness, detachment or reduced affection.
    * Limited capacity to express either positive or negative emotions towards others.
    * Consistent preference for solitary activities.
    * Very few, if any, close friends or relationships, and a lack of desire for such.
    * Indifference to either praise or criticism.
    * Taking pleasure in few, if any, activities.
    * Indifference to social norms and conventions.
    * Preoccupation with fantasy and introspection.
    * Lack of desire for sexual experiences with another person.

That doesn't sound like Caysee to me......JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 25, 2008, 11:39:49 AM
It was Captain Nevis ( sp ) from the OCSD that said that. About the " tips " coming from the family. He also said smoke screen. I though about it in this way,
You get 5000 tips, 4995 come via Cindy / intuitives, pyschics, and others. Makes it difficult to get to anything reliable.
In the Bernardo / Homolka case here in Canada, the tip line set up was a hinderance to the investigation. There was some good soild information received but it was overwhelming to the investigators, trying to weed them out.   

Here's a tip for Cyndi: "Cyndi.... step away from the news camera's, and interviews.....and GO OUT AND FIND YOUR GRANDDAUGHTER!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 25, 2008, 11:41:05 AM
Does anyone remember the approximate time that Cindy called Amy to go to Tony's apartment?
If I remember correctly,Cindy stated that she worked till about 6 PM on 6/15 and that she called Amy(got Amy's phone # off a resume left in Casey's car)right after work.
MY question is this:
George and Cindy picked up the car at 1:55 PM on 6/15.Did Cindy leave work on her lunch hour to retrieve car and money to get the car from the towyard?
Also....who picks up a missing car from a towyard that smells like a dead body has been in it and then just returns to work(and in George's case,goes on to work)when you have a missing grand daughter and daughter?????


Normal person wouldn't, but I suspect George is a beaten man.  Beaten down so bad by Cindy that he is a mere shell of a man that used to protect and serve as a career.  Cindy told him to go to work, and George did.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 25, 2008, 11:41:16 AM
What could be more important than talking to the security guard inside the house? Why didn't LP ask questions? I think it's horrible that a minister would do anything like passing letters, whether he believes KC is innocent or not, there is a murder case going on here and LE needs to get a handle on this!

What is said to the minister is privileged

**corrected** 

True, but in cases of crime/murder it shouldn't be!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2008, 11:43:36 AM
Decomposing HUMAN in trunk of Casey's car. 
Caylee is missing.
Decomposing HUMAN in trunk of Casey's car.
Evidence indicates HUMAN in trunk in that stage within 2 -3 days of death.
Caylee is missing.
Casey out partying after Caylee went missing.
Decomposing HUMAN in trunk of Casey's car.
Caylee is missing.


Put all the other evidence together and you have a crime. Surely the jury pool in Orlando will have a combined IQ higher than my dog?  :roll:  This is not meant to insult anyone in Orlando, just saying juries are not stupid and I doubt the one in this case will be. Enough of this BS with the defense team already.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Stacey on October 25, 2008, 11:44:38 AM
What could be more important than talking to the security guard inside the house? Why didn't LP ask questions? I think it's horrible that a minister would do anything like passing letters, whether he believes KC is innocent or not, there is a murder case going on here and LE needs to get a handle on this!

What is said to the minister is privileged

**corrected** 

True, but in cases of crime/murder it shouldn't be!!

It's not privileged if the minister tells a 3rd party


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 25, 2008, 11:47:42 AM
From MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27361545/

No usable finger prints were found on a shovel in the trunk.

There was a shovel in the trunk? I thought the shovel tested was the neighbors.



  ::MonkeyConfused::

Mags ... I think the Associated Press got it wrong.  I have never read or heard of a shovel being found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  I believe the released forensic report must have been referring the the shovel that Casey borrowed from the neighbour.

IMO

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!!

Janet
8:45 AM PT
_______

New evidence in case against Fla. mom
Test of woman's car trunk finds compounds tied to decomposing body
Associated Press
updated 11:38 a.m. PT, Fri., Oct. 24, 2008


Residue of chloroform, which can be used to render someone unconscious, was found on the spare tire cover and trunk liner, though a trace was also found in a control experiment on a similar trunk. No usable finger prints were found on a shovel in the trunk.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27361545/



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 25, 2008, 11:49:15 AM
From nancy Grace transcript (thanks so much Blonde)

VERY INTERESTING!
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: Well, you said it at the first part of your statement, and when we were back there, we had a young lady actually living with her, 24/7, traveling to the attorney`s office back and forth for nine days.

There is a lot of things that the young lady knows that she hasn`t revealed and I have not asked her. But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded.
 


A little info on the lady that was living in the Anthony's home 24/7.

 George told me, that this lady showed very little respect while living there, and George and her had two very big run-ins.
Even though George gave her full run of the house, like in & out of the fridge without asking (things like that), he tried to be accommodating.

1st blow up: She went out the back sliding door, and kept to sliding doors wide open. He said to here : :What in the F*** are you doing, keeping these doors open!!" A shout matched ensued. He told me he rarely uses the "F" word, but what she did, made him very upset. I didn't ask him (and didn't tell me), why this made him so upset. My theories on this:  She did this often, and was told not to do keep the doors open. Either because the A/C in the house was running, or because of security reasons while Casey was in the house.

2nd blow up: Even though she had her own lap top computer, George caught her on their home computer without reason, and without asking permission. This did not sit well with George at all. He asked me if I would ever use someones computer first without asking. My relpy, was "NO", I wouldn't.

All in all....George did not like her at all, and wanted her the heck out of the house...ASAP. George also told me, that her being there was self serving, as she's now going to write a book about her stay with them.

Chuck





IMO the Anthony's made a deal with the devil (so to speak, not saying LP is the devil  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )by agreeing to the terms of her first bail.  I wouldn't want the intrusion of a stranger in my home and I'd be mad if they touched my computer as well.  Actually I won't even let my husband mess with my computer, LOLOL  ::MonkeyWink:: .  That said, I don't know which would be worse..living with Casey knowing what she has probably done, or having a rude stranger in your home.  It's a toss up to me  ::MonkeyCool::

IMO-George Athony has anger issues. i can almost see getting upset for someone jumping on my puter-but for leaving a door open? C'mon.  They can overlook the fact their daughter murdered their grandaughter-but don't leave the f-ing door open?!  And in the Anthony's mind-the only people who should profit from Caylee's death are the Anthony's. i hate every single one of them.  Tim Miller has said more times than i can count that you can't put a price on a childs life. The Anthony's are doing their best to prove him wrong.  I hate them.

just my opinion


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 11:50:00 AM
It is actually quite simple (my apologies to BTGIRL - again!):
Quote
A DNA test on the same hair strand confirmed it came from either Casey or Caylee Anthony.
[/b]

This same hair strand had the "death ring" on it -- proving HUMAN DECOMPOSITION.
If this same hair strand is "DNA proven" to be that of either Caylee or Casey -- then the hair strand MUST belong to Caylee since Casey is ALIVE!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 11:50:06 AM
What could be more important than talking to the security guard inside the house? Why didn't LP ask questions? I think it's horrible that a minister would do anything like passing letters, whether he believes KC is innocent or not, there is a murder case going on here and LE needs to get a handle on this!

What is said to the minister is privileged

**corrected** 

True, but in cases of crime/murder it shouldn't be!!

I agree!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: seemeatthebeach on October 25, 2008, 11:50:18 AM
Quote
It's not privileged if the minister tells a 3rd party

Correct.....

The prosecution can subpoena Cindy and George if the minister relays conversations/messages from Casey


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 25, 2008, 11:50:54 AM
It was Captain Nevis ( sp ) from the OCSD that said that. About the " tips " coming from the family. He also said smoke screen. I though about it in this way,
You get 5000 tips, 4995 come via Cindy / intuitives, pyschics, and others. Makes it difficult to get to anything reliable.
In the Bernardo / Homolka case here in Canada, the tip line set up was a hinderance to the investigation. There was some good soild information received but it was overwhelming to the investigators, trying to weed them out.   

Here's a tip for Cyndi: "Cyndi.... step away from the news camera's, and interviews.....and GO OUT AND FIND YOUR GRANDDAUGHTER!

Or..
Get off your sorry ARSE and get to steppin!! And DON'T stop until Caylee is found!! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 25, 2008, 11:50:55 AM
Ok the only personality defect I can confirm is my own.  But other moneys (who are trained in psych) said they thought Casey had social personality disorder, and at least in my mind, those traits do seem to fit better just based on what I have seen and read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder)

Characteristics of people with antisocial personality disorder may include:

    * Persistent lying or stealing
    * Recurring difficulties with the law
    * Tendency to violate the rights and boundaries of others
    * Substance abuse
    * Aggressive, often violent behavior; prone to getting involved in fights
    * A persistent agitated or depressed feeling (dysphoria)
    * Inability to tolerate boredom
    * Disregard for the safety of self or others
    * A childhood diagnosis of conduct disorders - this is not a symptom but "a history of"
    * Lack of remorse, related to hurting others
    * Superficial charm
    * Impulsiveness
    * A sense of extreme entitlement
    * Inability to make or keep friends
    * Recklessness, impulsivity[5][6]

    * People with a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder often experience difficulties with authority figures


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Stacey on October 25, 2008, 11:51:11 AM
What could be more important than talking to the security guard inside the house? Why didn't LP ask questions? I think it's horrible that a minister would do anything like passing letters, whether he believes KC is innocent or not, there is a murder case going on here and LE needs to get a handle on this!

What is said to the minister is privileged

**corrected** 

True, but in cases of crime/murder it shouldn't be!!

It's not privileged if the minister tells a 3rd party

oops also wanted to say if Casey gave letters to JB and he kept them then those letters are privileged but once he hands them to a 3rd party then they are not I would think


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2008, 11:51:28 AM

   " * Emotional coldness, detachment or reduced affection.
    * Limited capacity to express either positive or negative emotions towards others.
    * Consistent preference for solitary activities.
    * Very few, if any, close friends or relationships, and a lack of desire for such.
    * Indifference to either praise or criticism.
    * Taking pleasure in few, if any, activities.
    * Indifference to social norms and conventions.
    * Preoccupation with fantasy and introspection.
    * Lack of desire for sexual experiences with another person.

That doesn't sound like Caysee to me......JMO "
I know, but I went to some Mental Health sites after I heard what the doctor said.
In a manic phase, it fits. Stress can set off an " episode " and a beak with reality.
The delusions , being an event planner at Universal, getting hte house from Cindy, having 15,000 in the bank, things that Jesse said about her version of reality and the ability to just make up a new story.   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 25, 2008, 11:52:48 AM
Ok the only personality defect I can confirm is my own.  But other moneys (who are trained in psych) said they thought Casey had social personality disorder, and at least in my mind, those traits do seem to fit better just based on what I have seen and read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder)

Characteristics of people with antisocial personality disorder may include:

    * Persistent lying or stealing
    * Recurring difficulties with the law
    * Tendency to violate the rights and boundaries of others
    * Substance abuse
    * Aggressive, often violent behavior; prone to getting involved in fights
    * A persistent agitated or depressed feeling (dysphoria)
    * Inability to tolerate boredom
    * Disregard for the safety of self or others
    * A childhood diagnosis of conduct disorders - this is not a symptom but "a history of"
    * Lack of remorse, related to hurting others
    * Superficial charm
    * Impulsiveness
    * A sense of extreme entitlement
    * Inability to make or keep friends
    * Recklessness, impulsivity[5][6]

    * People with a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder often experience difficulties with authority figures


Had to laugh at the last one there.  She didn't have difficulties sleeping around with authority figures that is for sure.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 11:53:20 AM
Quote
It's not privileged if the minister tells a 3rd party

Correct.....

The prosecution can subpoena Cindy and George if the minister relays conversations/messages from Casey

Is this a question that will be asked to them on the stand do you think or will they have to have reason to ask it? What are the chances of George and Cindy lying on the stand? I would think it would be very hard for them to remember all the lies that have been told..jmo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 25, 2008, 11:53:51 AM
From nancy Grace transcript (thanks so much Blonde)

VERY INTERESTING!
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: Well, you said it at the first part of your statement, and when we were back there, we had a young lady actually living with her, 24/7, traveling to the attorney`s office back and forth for nine days.

There is a lot of things that the young lady knows that she hasn`t revealed and I have not asked her. But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded.
 


A little info on the lady that was living in the Anthony's home 24/7.

 George told me, that this lady showed very little respect while living there, and George and her had two very big run-ins.
Even though George gave her full run of the house, like in & out of the fridge without asking (things like that), he tried to be accommodating.

1st blow up: She went out the back sliding door, and kept to sliding doors wide open. He said to here : :What in the F*** are you doing, keeping these doors open!!" A shout matched ensued. He told me he rarely uses the "F" word, but what she did, made him very upset. I didn't ask him (and didn't tell me), why this made him so upset. My theories on this:  She did this often, and was told not to do keep the doors open. Either because the A/C in the house was running, or because of security reasons while Casey was in the house.

2nd blow up: Even though she had her own lap top computer, George caught her on their home computer without reason, and without asking permission. This did not sit well with George at all. He asked me if I would ever use someones computer first without asking. My relpy, was "NO", I wouldn't.

All in all....George did not like her at all, and wanted her the heck out of the house...ASAP. George also told me, that her being there was self serving, as she's now going to write a book about her stay with them.

Chuck





IMO the Anthony's made a deal with the devil (so to speak, not saying LP is the devil  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )by agreeing to the terms of her first bail.  I wouldn't want the intrusion of a stranger in my home and I'd be mad if they touched my computer as well.  Actually I won't even let my husband mess with my computer, LOLOL  ::MonkeyWink:: .  That said, I don't know which would be worse..living with Casey knowing what she has probably done, or having a rude stranger in your home.  It's a toss up to me  ::MonkeyCool::

IMO-George Athony has anger issues. i can almost see getting upset for someone jumping on my puter-but for leaving a door open? C'mon.  They can overlook the fact their daughter murdered their grandaughter-but don't leave the f-ing door open?!  And in the Anthony's mind-the only people who should profit from Caylee's death are the Anthony's. i hate every single one of them.  Tim Miller has said more times than i can count that you can't put a price on a childs life. The Anthony's are doing their best to prove him wrong.  I hate them.

just my opinion


I agree with that 1000%, Littleone!  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2008, 11:54:30 AM
It wasn't defined as a true mental illness, jsut a disorder. A true mental illness would be that aliens or Elmo  abducted my child and we " talk " via the TV / radio / or Elmo's World DVD's. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: angoramonkey on October 25, 2008, 11:55:06 AM
From nancy Grace transcript (thanks so much Blonde)

VERY INTERESTING!
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: Well, you said it at the first part of your statement, and when we were back there, we had a young lady actually living with her, 24/7, traveling to the attorney`s office back and forth for nine days.

There is a lot of things that the young lady knows that she hasn`t revealed and I have not asked her. But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded.
 


A little info on the lady that was living in the Anthony's home 24/7.

 George told me, that this lady showed very little respect while living there, and George and her had two very big run-ins.
Even though George gave her full run of the house, like in & out of the fridge without asking (things like that), he tried to be accommodating.

1st blow up: She went out the back sliding door, and kept to sliding doors wide open. He said to here : :What in the F*** are you doing, keeping these doors open!!" A shout matched ensued. He told me he rarely uses the "F" word, but what she did, made him very upset. I didn't ask him (and didn't tell me), why this made him so upset. My theories on this:  She did this often, and was told not to do keep the doors open. Either because the A/C in the house was running, or because of security reasons while Casey was in the house.

2nd blow up: Even though she had her own lap top computer, George caught her on their home computer without reason, and without asking permission. This did not sit well with George at all. He asked me if I would ever use someones computer first without asking. My relpy, was "NO", I wouldn't.

All in all....George did not like her at all, and wanted her the heck out of the house...ASAP. George also told me, that her being there was self serving, as she's now going to write a book about her stay with them.

Chuck





IMO the Anthony's made a deal with the devil (so to speak, not saying LP is the devil  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )by agreeing to the terms of her first bail.  I wouldn't want the intrusion of a stranger in my home and I'd be mad if they touched my computer as well.  Actually I won't even let my husband mess with my computer, LOLOL  ::MonkeyWink:: .  That said, I don't know which would be worse..living with Casey knowing what she has probably done, or having a rude stranger in your home.  It's a toss up to me  ::MonkeyCool::

IMO-George Athony has anger issues. i can almost see getting upset for someone jumping on my puter-but for leaving a door open? C'mon.  They can overlook the fact their daughter murdered their grandaughter-but don't leave the f-ing door open?!  And in the Anthony's mind-the only people who should profit from Caylee's death are the Anthony's. i hate every single one of them.  Tim Miller has said more times than i can count that you can't put a price on a childs life. The Anthony's are doing their best to prove him wrong.  I hate them.

just my opinion

Hi
That was interesting, I have never seen anything about the woman who stayed with Casey while out on bail by LP.
Who was George telling all of that to?   Thanks


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2008, 11:57:45 AM
Having any stranger in the house would have been difficult for the A family.
They must have felt almost pararnoid thinking that every word spoken would be reported.
 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 11:58:19 AM
From nancy Grace transcript (thanks so much Blonde)

VERY INTERESTING!
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: Well, you said it at the first part of your statement, and when we were back there, we had a young lady actually living with her, 24/7, traveling to the attorney`s office back and forth for nine days.

There is a lot of things that the young lady knows that she hasn`t revealed and I have not asked her. But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded.
 


A little info on the lady that was living in the Anthony's home 24/7.

 George told me, that this lady showed very little respect while living there, and George and her had two very big run-ins.
Even though George gave her full run of the house, like in & out of the fridge without asking (things like that), he tried to be accommodating.

1st blow up: She went out the back sliding door, and kept to sliding doors wide open. He said to here : :What in the F*** are you doing, keeping these doors open!!" A shout matched ensued. He told me he rarely uses the "F" word, but what she did, made him very upset. I didn't ask him (and didn't tell me), why this made him so upset. My theories on this:  She did this often, and was told not to do keep the doors open. Either because the A/C in the house was running, or because of security reasons while Casey was in the house.

2nd blow up: Even though she had her own lap top computer, George caught her on their home computer without reason, and without asking permission. This did not sit well with George at all. He asked me if I would ever use someones computer first without asking. My relpy, was "NO", I wouldn't.

All in all....George did not like her at all, and wanted her the heck out of the house...ASAP. George also told me, that her being there was self serving, as she's now going to write a book about her stay with them.

Chuck





IMO the Anthony's made a deal with the devil (so to speak, not saying LP is the devil  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )by agreeing to the terms of her first bail.  I wouldn't want the intrusion of a stranger in my home and I'd be mad if they touched my computer as well.  Actually I won't even let my husband mess with my computer, LOLOL  ::MonkeyWink:: .  That said, I don't know which would be worse..living with Casey knowing what she has probably done, or having a rude stranger in your home.  It's a toss up to me  ::MonkeyCool::

IMO-George Athony has anger issues. i can almost see getting upset for someone jumping on my puter-but for leaving a door open? C'mon.  They can overlook the fact their daughter murdered their grandaughter-but don't leave the f-ing door open?!  And in the Anthony's mind-the only people who should profit from Caylee's death are the Anthony's. i hate every single one of them.  Tim Miller has said more times than i can count that you can't put a price on a childs life. The Anthony's are doing their best to prove him wrong.  I hate them.

just my opinion

Very well said!  I agree completely!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Stacey on October 25, 2008, 12:00:35 PM
Quote
It's not privileged if the minister tells a 3rd party

Correct.....

The prosecution can subpoena Cindy and George if the minister relays conversations/messages from Casey

Is this a question that will be asked to them on the stand do you think or will they have to have reason to ask it? What are the chances of George and Cindy lying on the stand? I would think it would be very hard for them to remember all the lies that have been told..jmo

If the prosecution can open the door for the question and JB doesn't object.
Then it can be asked of who the minister told it too and the minister himself can be asked what was said.
But do you think Casey would say anything damning to the minister


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 25, 2008, 12:00:52 PM
I see nothing new, but this was updated @ 11:27 PM
Forensic Evidence Confirms Decomposing Body
Friday, October 24, 2008 11:27:36 PM

ORLANDO -- The state revealed some of the evidence in the case against Casey Anthony Friday.

Newly-released forensic results confirm a decomposing body was in the trunk of the car of the missing girl's mother.

However, only two hairs were found -- one in the trunk, the other strand of hair on a shovel. The hair on the shovel doesn't match Casey or Caylee.

Meanwhile, the air samples show decomposition, but could be the weakest link in the case because it's new scientific research.
   
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

The spokesperson for Casey Anthony's attorney Jose Baez said, “Ttoday's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother and father and Jose Baez continue to believe Caylee is still alive."

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/24/forensic_evidence_released_in_caylee_case.html

I would sure like official confirmation of the date when the computer search regarding how to make chloroform was done.

If the computer search occurred between August 24th and 27th ... I contend the chloroform was used in a futile attempt to rid the trunk of decomposition fluid and ... mask the ordor of decomposition fluild following the disposal of Caylee's remains but ... prior to Casey abandoning the vehicle at Amscot.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 25, 2008, 12:01:32 PM
Lisa39 - which youtube link?

For NG please if you have it and don't mind.

I did a youtube search.  Not sure who this person is who's downloaded NG but here's the link.  Looks like 4 parts:

http://www.youtube.com/user/torbenmiller1

Thank you so much Klaas!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2008, 12:01:40 PM
From MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27361545/

No usable finger prints were found on a shovel in the trunk.

There was a shovel in the trunk? I thought the shovel tested was the neighbors.



  ::MonkeyConfused::

Mags ... I think the Associated Press got it wrong.  I have never read or heard of a shovel being found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  I believe the released forensic report must have been referring the the shovel that Casey borrowed from the neighbour.

IMO

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!!

Janet
8:45 AM PT
_______

New evidence in case against Fla. mom
Test of woman's car trunk finds compounds tied to decomposing body
Associated Press
updated 11:38 a.m. PT, Fri., Oct. 24, 2008


Residue of chloroform, which can be used to render someone unconscious, was found on the spare tire cover and trunk liner, though a trace was also found in a control experiment on a similar trunk. No usable finger prints were found on a shovel in the trunk.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27361545/



I think you are correct.  As of the evidence we have now there is no indication that a shovel was found in Casey's trunk.  That tells me then that the shovel in question is the neighbor's shovel.  Which had nothing on it but an unidentified hair.  I don't think I have ever wiped my shovel of fingerprints in my entire life...ever.  If you checked mine it would have all sorts of things on it...fingerprints of both mine and DH and doggie poop and dirt and who knows what else. LOL 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 25, 2008, 12:02:21 PM
Morning Monkeys -

Maybe there WAS a shovel in the trunk and we just didn't know about it !
Maybe that is what she really bought at JCP rather than the cross as Cindy tried to suggest !


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: spring2 on October 25, 2008, 12:02:24 PM
Was this person who stayed with them from California also?  California and Florida are very different.  I would go out back here and leave the patio door open.  If his thing was the air conditioning, she may not have been being rude.  She may just be used to not having to worry about air conditioning.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 25, 2008, 12:03:11 PM
From nancy Grace transcript (thanks so much Blonde)

VERY INTERESTING!
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: Well, you said it at the first part of your statement, and when we were back there, we had a young lady actually living with her, 24/7, traveling to the attorney`s office back and forth for nine days.

There is a lot of things that the young lady knows that she hasn`t revealed and I have not asked her. But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded.
 


A little info on the lady that was living in the Anthony's home 24/7.

 George told me, that this lady showed very little respect while living there, and George and her had two very big run-ins.
Even though George gave her full run of the house, like in & out of the fridge without asking (things like that), he tried to be accommodating.

1st blow up: She went out the back sliding door, and kept to sliding doors wide open. He said to here : :What in the F*** are you doing, keeping these doors open!!" A shout matched ensued. He told me he rarely uses the "F" word, but what she did, made him very upset. I didn't ask him (and didn't tell me), why this made him so upset. My theories on this:  She did this often, and was told not to do keep the doors open. Either because the A/C in the house was running, or because of security reasons while Casey was in the house.

2nd blow up: Even though she had her own lap top computer, George caught her on their home computer without reason, and without asking permission. This did not sit well with George at all. He asked me if I would ever use someones computer first without asking. My relpy, was "NO", I wouldn't.

All in all....George did not like her at all, and wanted her the heck out of the house...ASAP. George also told me, that her being there was self serving, as she's now going to write a book about her stay with them.

Chuck





IMO the Anthony's made a deal with the devil (so to speak, not saying LP is the devil  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )by agreeing to the terms of her first bail.  I wouldn't want the intrusion of a stranger in my home and I'd be mad if they touched my computer as well.  Actually I won't even let my husband mess with my computer, LOLOL  ::MonkeyWink:: .  That said, I don't know which would be worse..living with Casey knowing what she has probably done, or having a rude stranger in your home.  It's a toss up to me  ::MonkeyCool::

IMO-George Athony has anger issues. i can almost see getting upset for someone jumping on my puter-but for leaving a door open? C'mon.  They can overlook the fact their daughter murdered their grandaughter-but don't leave the f-ing door open?!  And in the Anthony's mind-the only people who should profit from Caylee's death are the Anthony's. i hate every single one of them.  Tim Miller has said more times than i can count that you can't put a price on a childs life. The Anthony's are doing their best to prove him wrong.  I hate them.

just my opinion


I agree with that 1000%, Littleone!  ::MonkeyRoll::

Thanks monken!! **jumps off my soapbox** ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Colt45cal on October 25, 2008, 12:03:33 PM
From nancy Grace transcript (thanks so much Blonde)

VERY INTERESTING!
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: Well, you said it at the first part of your statement, and when we were back there, we had a young lady actually living with her, 24/7, traveling to the attorney`s office back and forth for nine days.

There is a lot of things that the young lady knows that she hasn`t revealed and I have not asked her. But one of the things that they were very upset about was that they could not communicate with each other in the jail or on the phone without it being taped or recorded.
 


A little info on the lady that was living in the Anthony's home 24/7.

 George told me, that this lady showed very little respect while living there, and George and her had two very big run-ins.
Even though George gave her full run of the house, like in & out of the fridge without asking (things like that), he tried to be accommodating.

1st blow up: She went out the back sliding door, and kept to sliding doors wide open. He said to here : :What in the F*** are you doing, keeping these doors open!!" A shout matched ensued. He told me he rarely uses the "F" word, but what she did, made him very upset. I didn't ask him (and didn't tell me), why this made him so upset. My theories on this:  She did this often, and was told not to do keep the doors open. Either because the A/C in the house was running, or because of security reasons while Casey was in the house.

2nd blow up: Even though she had her own lap top computer, George caught her on their home computer without reason, and without asking permission. This did not sit well with George at all. He asked me if I would ever use someones computer first without asking. My relpy, was "NO", I wouldn't.

All in all....George did not like her at all, and wanted her the heck out of the house...ASAP. George also told me, that her being there was self serving, as she's now going to write a book about her stay with them.

Chuck





IMO the Anthony's made a deal with the devil (so to speak, not saying LP is the devil  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )by agreeing to the terms of her first bail.  I wouldn't want the intrusion of a stranger in my home and I'd be mad if they touched my computer as well.  Actually I won't even let my husband mess with my computer, LOLOL  ::MonkeyWink:: .  That said, I don't know which would be worse..living with Casey knowing what she has probably done, or having a rude stranger in your home.  It's a toss up to me  ::MonkeyCool::

IMO-George Athony has anger issues. i can almost see getting upset for someone jumping on my puter-but for leaving a door open? C'mon.  They can overlook the fact their daughter murdered their grandaughter-but don't leave the f-ing door open?!  And in the Anthony's mind-the only people who should profit from Caylee's death are the Anthony's. i hate every single one of them.  Tim Miller has said more times than i can count that you can't put a price on a childs life. The Anthony's are doing their best to prove him wrong.  I hate them.

just my opinion

Hi
That was interesting, I have never seen anything about the woman who stayed with Casey while out on bail by LP.
Who was George telling all of that to?   Thanks


Me.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 25, 2008, 12:04:15 PM
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It's not privileged if the minister tells a 3rd party

Correct.....

The prosecution can subpoena Cindy and George if the minister relays conversations/messages from Casey

Is this a question that will be asked to them on the stand do you think or will they have to have reason to ask it? What are the chances of George and Cindy lying on the stand? I would think it would be very hard for them to remember all the lies that have been told..jmo

I was reading an AOL article last night  - "How to Catch a Liar".   The "Hemming and Hawing" part of the article about a person saying um, ah frequently immediately brought to mind Cindy's interviews and Tony L's.   Both of them hemmed and hawed.

http://www.aolhealth.com/healthy-living/relationships/how-to-catch-a-liar



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: spring2 on October 25, 2008, 12:04:50 PM
Wow!  Interesting, Colt.  Thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 25, 2008, 12:05:05 PM
I meant to say Cindy's last interview with a reporter where she said ummmm constantly.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2008, 12:05:34 PM
It is actually quite simple (my apologies to BTGIRL - again!):
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A DNA test on the same hair strand confirmed it came from either Casey or Caylee Anthony.
[/b]

This same hair strand had the "death ring" on it -- proving HUMAN DECOMPOSITION.
If this same hair strand is "DNA proven" to be that of either Caylee or Casey -- then the hair strand MUST belong to Caylee since Casey is ALIVE!!

That FBI report is a treasure trove of information.  Especially if you look at the results of the DNA.  It clearly shows that the mDNA of the hairs found in the trunk and the DNA sample from Casey (which is a mouth swab specimen) are one and the same.  They are mother and child.  The odds of those matching in such a fashion with anyone else that is not an Anthony are about as good as me winning the lottery.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on October 25, 2008, 12:07:20 PM
Okay, when checking to make sure I did not buy the winning Mega Millions ticket last night, I did check to see the list of previous winners.  Is this wierd or what?

On May 16, 2008, the Anthony Trust of Amelia Ohio won $196 million in the Mega Millions Lottery!

http://www.megamillions.com/winners/jackpothistory.asp

Maybe that is why the Ohio Anthony clan is not in touch with the Anthony group in Orlando!

Strange!



Very strange!!!
jackpot drawn May 16, 2008 has come forward to claim the prize in trust. Christine A. Buttress, trustee, came to the Ohio Lottery’s Cleveland headquarters today to complete the claim on behalf of The Anthony Trust.
 
The holder of the ticket chose the annuity. The trust will receive a first- time payment of $7,550,000 before mandatory Federal and State tax withholdings. The trust will then receive annual payments of $7,538,000 for the next 25 years before mandatory Federal and State tax withholdings.
 
The winning ticket was purchased at Main Street Wine & Spirits of Amelia.  The winner used the auto lotto feature when purchasing the ticket. The winning numbers were 6-11-39-46-47 + 26. Main Street Wine & Spirits received a $100,000 bonus for selling a jackpot-winning ticket.
 
Tonight’s Mega Millions’ jackpot is $34 million.


http://www.ohiolottery.com/press_releases/PressReleasesDet.aspx?Id=1340

Amelia Ohio is suburb (NE) of Cincinnati.  This area is no where near the area that I have seen George and all family from. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2008, 12:08:00 PM
Morning Monkeys -

Maybe there WAS a shovel in the trunk and we just didn't know about it !
Maybe that is what she really bought at JCP rather than the cross as Cindy tried to suggest !

There is no mention of a shovel being in the evidence collected from the trunk of Casey's car. Not saying there isn't one, just that there is not one listed in the evidence sent to FBI as coming from the trunk of the car.  Now I have confused myself.  :roll:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 25, 2008, 12:08:50 PM
Was this person who stayed with them from California also?  California and Florida are very different.  I would go out back here and leave the patio door open.  If his thing was the air conditioning, she may not have been being rude.  She may just be used to not having to worry about air conditioning.

And as I posted, this could have been due to security reasons. By bet is, that they kept their doors locked all the time.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: flossy on October 25, 2008, 12:09:27 PM
Hi
That was interesting, I have never seen anything about the woman who stayed with Casey while out on bail by LP.
Who was George telling all of that to?   Thanks


Me.

Chuck, have you ever shared your theory of what might have happened?  I know that you agree with the theory that Casey is just plain full of it, but I don't know if I've ever read your take on what she did and how she did it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: TexasBarMom on October 25, 2008, 12:12:18 PM
Morning Monkeys -

Maybe there WAS a shovel in the trunk and we just didn't know about it !
Maybe that is what she really bought at JCP rather than the cross as Cindy tried to suggest !

There is no mention of a shovel being in the evidence collected from the trunk of Casey's car. Not saying there isn't one, just that there is not one listed in the evidence sent to FBI as coming from the trunk of the car.  Now I have confused myself.  :roll:

No, you are probably correct and it was inadvertently reported as being from the trunk.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 25, 2008, 12:12:40 PM
EquuSearch Looking For Volunteers
The Texas-based group, who plans to return next month for another search for Caylee, said it's looking for volunteers.

EquuSearch said it needs former members of the military, law enforcement, or firefighters to serve as leaders for the search.

The group is expecting up to 3,000 volunteers to show up when they begin looking for Caylee on Nov. 8.

EquuSearch has been in Central Florida twice in the past, but called off their search because of wet conditions.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/24/forensic_evidence_released_in_caylee_case.html

Thanks Nut.

I cannot comprehend why LE is relying solely on a private organization that is funded by donations to conduct the search for Caylee.  If LE does not have a qualified search team or do not have authority to call on the armed forces ... WHY IS THE STATE OF FLORIDA NOT UNDERWRITING THE COSTS OF TES?

Janet

++++++++

NANCY GRACE
Child Neglect Charge Dropped Against Casey Anthony
Aired October 21, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


GRACE: Tim, where are you starting your search?

MILLER: Well, I`m actually getting into town on the 4th and...

GRACE: Where? Where?

MILLER: Well, in Orlando. But I`m spending time with John Allen (ph). With all of the calls that came in with positive sightings of a white car with a black bra on it, we`re going to go ahead and prioritize these sightings. And of course, we`re going to continue doing the three areas that we was really focused in, where the cell tower activity was. And this search is going to go on until we find Caylee.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/21/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: spring2 on October 25, 2008, 12:13:28 PM
Was this person who stayed with them from California also?  California and Florida are very different.  I would go out back here and leave the patio door open.  If his thing was the air conditioning, she may not have been being rude.  She may just be used to not having to worry about air conditioning.

And as I posted, this could have been due to security reasons. By bet is, that they kept their doors locked all the time.

Very good point.  I really don't understand how it can be okay for people to protest like that outside their house.  I would think the HOA could do something about it as the poor neighbors had to deal with that!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Sundance on October 25, 2008, 12:13:40 PM
I see nothing new, but this was updated @ 11:27 PM
Forensic Evidence Confirms Decomposing Body
Friday, October 24, 2008 11:27:36 PM

ORLANDO -- The state revealed some of the evidence in the case against Casey Anthony Friday.

Newly-released forensic results confirm a decomposing body was in the trunk of the car of the missing girl's mother.

However, only two hairs were found -- one in the trunk, the other strand of hair on a shovel. The hair on the shovel doesn't match Casey or Caylee.

Meanwhile, the air samples show decomposition, but could be the weakest link in the case because it's new scientific research.
   
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

The spokesperson for Casey Anthony's attorney Jose Baez said, “Ttoday's released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn't any connection with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother and father and Jose Baez continue to believe Caylee is still alive."

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/24/forensic_evidence_released_in_caylee_case.html

I would sure like official confirmation of the date when the computer search regarding how to make chloroform was done.

If the computer search occurred between August 24th and 27th ... I contend the chloroform was used in a futile attempt to rid the trunk of decomposition fluid and ... mask the ordor of decomposition fluild following the disposal of Caylee's remains but ... prior to Casey abandoning the vehicle at Amscot.

IMO

Janet

There were more hairs found in the car, there was only one that showed decomposition. From the report:

No other hairs exhibiting characteristics of apparent decomposition were found in specimens Q1 through Q7 and Q10 through Q12. No hairs were found in specimens Q8 and Q9.

Specimens Q22 through Q25 and debris collected from specimens Q26 through Q28 were examined for the presence of hairs exhibiting characteristics of apparent decomposition; however none were found.

Hairs and fibers collected from specimens Q23 through Q28 have been preserved on glass microscope slides and in vacuum canisters for possible future comparisons.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2008, 12:14:43 PM
The doctor on last night said something different than the usual " sociopath " I have heard of schzophrenia but not of the schzoid affective disorder he mentioned.
I imagine the sealed report will be unsealed for the trial. The report was not enough to go with the insanity plea. Although saying Zani did it is close to saying Elmo did it. Sorry Elmo, what did you say Elmo ? I'll be right there sweetie Elmo. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Colt45cal on October 25, 2008, 12:16:53 PM
Hi
That was interesting, I have never seen anything about the woman who stayed with Casey while out on bail by LP.
Who was George telling all of that to?   Thanks


Me.

Chuck, have you ever shared your theory of what might have happened?  I know that you agree with the theory that Casey is just plain full of it, but I don't know if I've ever read your take on what she did and how she did it.

I will do a short version on the next thread. My wife and I need to go out soon to buy some needed supplies, and equipment to add to what I already have for Nov search.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Hudsunn on October 25, 2008, 12:16:59 PM
I just wonder what George and Cindy imagine life will be like if Casey gets off for this crime.  Do they think the three of them will live together happily as if none of this happened?  Do they think that Casey's problems with lying, stealing and being promiscuous will just come to a screeching halt?  And if she had another child, would they feel that the child was safe with her?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 25, 2008, 12:17:44 PM
Don't throw nanners at me ::MonkeyNoNo:: I've read posts on here that pm's caused problems in the past - was wondering how long ago that was and if it was possibly to try them out again? ::MonkeyCool::

It was OVER 3 years ago and NO, pm's will not be allowed at SM. 

It is the edit option that I miss.  Sometimes my typos emerge as very very bad words.  I may find myself a victim of the red button one day.

Klaas ... I promise not to tell the other Monkeys if you afford me the edit option.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 25, 2008, 12:21:13 PM
Don't throw nanners at me ::MonkeyNoNo:: I've read posts on here that pm's caused problems in the past - was wondering how long ago that was and if it was possibly to try them out again? ::MonkeyCool::

It was OVER 3 years ago and NO, pm's will not be allowed at SM. 

It is the edit option that I miss.  Sometimes my typos emerge as very very bad words.  I may find myself a victim of the red button one day.

Klaas ... I promise not to tell the other Monkeys if you afford me the edit option.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

I'm telling.....unless I get one as well!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 12:23:29 PM
Don't throw nanners at me ::MonkeyNoNo:: I've read posts on here that pm's caused problems in the past - was wondering how long ago that was and if it was possibly to try them out again? ::MonkeyCool::

It was OVER 3 years ago and NO, pm's will not be allowed at SM. 

It is the edit option that I miss.  Sometimes my typos emerge as very very bad words.  I may find myself a victim of the red button one day.

Klaas ... I promise not to tell the other Monkeys if you afford me the edit option.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
I would be in favor of granting the "edit" function to those with at least 2996 posts.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2008, 12:24:04 PM
IMO Cindy and George are dug in with their story and will not budge even in the face of facts or reality. Didn't Cindy say they would have " experts ' refute the evidence / And that was before this evidence was released. They have a plan set out by Baez and the media company and we will not hear anything different until the trial.
The media, the ones who are lining up to pay the bucks are just enabling this circus.
Would you rather be the mother of a girl who killed your grandaughter or the mother of a girl whose whose daughter was kidnapped ?



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 25, 2008, 12:28:20 PM
I want one too!   ::MonkeyDance::

I messed up my own theory last night!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2008, 12:29:26 PM
I just wonder what George and Cindy imagine life will be like if Casey gets off for this crime.  Do they think the three of them will live together happily as if none of this happened?  Do they think that Casey's problems with lying, stealing and being promiscuous will just come to a screeching halt?  And if she had another child, would they feel that the child was safe with her?
I thought that any more children Casey had would be apprehended at birth by the State of Florida. But that would depend on the trial and what is in that sealed psyche report.
Cindy & George would not be the automatic custodians of any further children. There might be CFS to deal with and of couse a bio-Dad. 
Casey will serve time, but how long and for what is the question. She won't go back to that house is my guess. Ever. She was only there as it was jail or Cindy's crazy house. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 12:31:12 PM
Don't throw nanners at me ::MonkeyNoNo:: I've read posts on here that pm's caused problems in the past - was wondering how long ago that was and if it was possibly to try them out again? ::MonkeyCool::

It was OVER 3 years ago and NO, pm's will not be allowed at SM. 

It is the edit option that I miss.  Sometimes my typos emerge as very very bad words.  I may find myself a victim of the red button one day.

Klaas ... I promise not to tell the other Monkeys if you afford me the edit option.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  Sorry Janet, I'm not the final say  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 25, 2008, 12:32:05 PM
Steel Monkey:
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Somebody please correct me if I am wrong - the only thing the defense has released is that which the judge has said must be released pertaining to the evidence surrounding the child neglect charges.  Everything elese is still in LE's book
Quite posibly true, but Baez sems to know all about the "trunk evidence" already -- he is wanting to throw it out!

I am not a judge (although I play one on TV), but I can stand up and say to JB..."On what grounds do you believe this evidence should be thrown out?"

What then...?
"on the grounds that it will certainly CONVICT my client"!   --LOL  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

You are a wise man Wreck, despite of what your lawyer A-1 says!
  I am his lawyer?????  Well, Im sending him a hefty bill then !!!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 25, 2008, 12:32:55 PM
I just wonder what George and Cindy imagine life will be like if Casey gets off for this crime.  Do they think the three of them will live together happily as if none of this happened?  Do they think that Casey's problems with lying, stealing and being promiscuous will just come to a screeching halt?  And if she had another child, would they feel that the child was safe with her?

I don't see her getting off but stranger things have happened.  However, if she did get off, I sure don't see her going back home ever.  Or having another child.  I think she would go to all lengths to never have another one.  JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: San on October 25, 2008, 12:34:16 PM
I just wonder what George and Cindy imagine life will be like if Casey gets off for this crime.  Do they think the three of them will live together happily as if none of this happened?  Do they think that Casey's problems with lying, stealing and being promiscuous will just come to a screeching halt?  And if she had another child, would they feel that the child was safe with her?

1. Do they think the three of them will live together happily as if none of this happened?

Cindy and Casey will because they are both sociopaths.

2. Do they think that Casey's problems with lying, stealing and being promiscuous will just come to a screeching halt?

Yes.

3. And if she had another child, would they feel that the child was safe with her?

Yes, because Cindy feels she will control the situation better.  Even though she failed Caylee.

JMO.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Blonde on October 25, 2008, 12:37:07 PM
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: kerryjean1 on October 25, 2008, 12:37:48 PM
If I am understanding the forensic report correctly and estimated decomposition was 2.6 days- this sort of ties in w/Brian Burner's statements. If Caylee died on the 16th (which is what I believe- and it was the last time she was seen), Brian Burner saw Casey back into the driveway on the 17th. At this point she could have been trying to figure out what to do- possibly left her in the sandbox- or possibly changed her mind and left without ever taking Caylee out of the trunk.

The next day (18th) Brian Burner sees her back in again approx 1:30 (I know he claims it could have been 18th or 19th- but I think cell pings make it more likely on the 18th) and she asks for the shovel.

At this point- if Caylee died late morning of the 16th, it has now been approx 2+ days. Upon getting the shovel- she goes in the backyard to dig the grave and realizes it ain't gonna be so easy. It's possible she placed Caylee on the ground while doing so which is why the dogs hit in the yard). Changes her mind- returns the shovel, puts Caylee back in the trunk and takes off.

Now, if at this point she realizes she doesn't know what to do- and hasn't made a decision where to dispose of the body- she could go and get a cooler which would stop the decomposition after 2.6 days. (not inside the cooler, but inside the trunk). So I would be very curious to see if there was any evidence of purchases made this day. OR it could be that she stole the family's cooler and was trying to replace it before it was noticed.

I think she drove around for many days like this- with Caylee in the trunk in a cooler - and realized when she went to bury her or dispose of her - that the cooler may not have fit with her plans (ie coolers float- harder to bury, etc. ) and she opened the cooler to place Caylee in a bag or something else in order to transport her to disposal site. When she did this- it was a huge release of all those gases, etc. causing the odor in the car. As someone said on one of the news reports- there's just no way to put it back- the smell was out there. And being how Casey doesn't think things through- she probably didn't even realize that was going to happen.

I really hope the police have been contemplating the cooler/luggage etc idea and have been looking for these things or examined any that were found.

Anyway- this is just all speculation from me- just things I've been thinking

Good Morning Cincinnati Monkey Cage

This sounds really plausible.  This makes me also ask, if an article (any clothes, blanket, etc.) that had been in the trunk with Caylee were layed in the A's backyard would this cause cadaver dogs to hit?  What I'm asking is -- did the body have to be laid in the yard, or could it have been something that contained fluids or other decomp for dogs to hit?


Hello all.

I don't know if dogs would be able to hit- but my guess would be yes. I watched a show once where dogs hit on a crime scene 20 years after the murder took place and the body had moved. Granted, the murder had taken place at the location the dogs hit- but 20 years later is a loooong time. It is amazing what these dogs can do.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 25, 2008, 12:39:07 PM
O
Ooops  for got my manners....   Good Morning Monkeys   :smt006

Trying to get the Old Monkey Butt motivated to get stuff  household Stuff done today ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
Hoping some one will copy this into the next New Clean Cage
Quote
With all the New Monkeys  ::MonkeyDance::
You  just never know who might be local or GREAT at finding places to spread the word in the area
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Any Monkeys that happens on this post   that are in the Haughton / Shreveport / Bossier City area of Louisiana or know someone there ...
OR good at finding local sites and posting information
PLEASE  read...

About a upcoming  TES search  for Clinton Nelson November 8th-9th  His Mother Carolyn is a Monkey
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3638.0
For Clinton's story  you can read through his thread in OUR Missing Person Section  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1318.0
At this time I'm not sure what may be needed besides spreading the word to that area someway. To me it is a way we can assist TES... and the mother/family of a missing person.   

This may be the same time TES will be back Looking for Caylee so National Media for Clinton's search will not happen.   BUT  I do pray that TES could get enough support in both searches to find both Caylee and Clinton.
Link to Search poster  as a JPEG http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/TESClinton2.jpg
AND as a PDF that can be down loaded http://www.sharepdfbooks.com/26RZAOL8293A/Nov_8_9_Search_1_.pdf.html
TIA
Old Monkey Butt!  Hahahahahahahahaa ---- where were you the day Kennedy was shot?????  Marilyn Monroe was found dead????? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2008, 12:40:54 PM
I would like to know what meds Cindy is on and if she was on meds b4.
It's a sad and pathetic situation. My daughter thought that FL had more than what CA had on Scott Peterson. We just have to have faith that the case that is built in court is solid. One piece of the puzzle , evidence can be refuted, but there is an overwhelming
number of items, her behaviour being the biggest.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 25, 2008, 12:42:03 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/17058741/detail.html

Father Visits Casey Anthony In Jail, Leaves Without Answers

POSTED: 5:56 am EDT August 1, 2008
UPDATED: 6:45 pm EDT August 3, 2008

Friday, investigators went to the Anthony family home and removed gas cans. The cans were reported stolen in late June around the time Caylee may have disappeared. George Anthony said the cans were taken by a neighbor but admits his daughter had stolen gas from his home in the past. Sources close to the investigation say they don't believe the cans were used to burn or destroy evidence. But investigators do want to test the cans to see if they were near Caylee before she disappeared.


Thank you BooMonkey.

George Anthony's story about the gas cans is not consistent.  In the article George claims that the reported stolen gas cans had been taken by a neighbour but ... to Greta he claims that Casey took them.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet


Exclusive: Grandparents of Missing Toddler 'On the Record'
Wednesday, August 06, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: Now, you made the report on June 24, though. That's when you noticed it. Do you remember when you last were in there, so you have some sort of window of when that could have happened?

GEORGE ANTHONY: It could have been Sunday. I believe I was in there Sunday. I don't believe I was in there the day before that, like, on the 23rd. I'm almost positive it's a Sunday.

VAN SUSTEREN: So the Sunday the 23rd, you might have been in there?

CINDY ANTHONY: Well, Sunday would have been the 22nd.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So as best you can tell, it happened between the 22nd and the 24th. someone broke in there.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Uh-huh.

<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: What, not letting you into the car?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, didn't want me to get into the car to get the stuff out. Dad, I'll get it for you. Dad, I'll get it out. I said, It's no problem. I know where it's at. I'll get it, get it out and be done with it.

So as we're walking out through the garage, she's still telling me, Dad, I'll get it. Give me a minute, I'll get it. I said, Casey, I'm capable of reaching inside your car, and I got it. So -- and she opened up the trunk of the car...

CINDY ANTHONY: The gas cans were there.

GEORGE ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) The gas cans there. She's the one that took the gas cans.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Orchidwmn on October 25, 2008, 12:45:03 PM
Hadn't been to the Anthony's My Space Account for awhile, and didn't remember them showing Casey as one of Caylee's heroes...... they are just too much!

http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing (http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 12:45:53 PM
I would like to know what meds Cindy is on and if she was on meds b4.
It's a sad and pathetic situation. My daughter thought that FL had more than what CA had on Scott Peterson. We just have to have faith that the case that is built in court is solid. One piece of the puzzle , evidence can be refuted, but there is an overwhelming
number of items, her behaviour being the biggest.
They HAVE solid evidence a dead Caylee was in the trunk of Casey's car. That is pretty hard to refute!! That is most likely enough.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 12:48:15 PM
Hadn't been to the Anthony's My Space Account for awhile, and didn't remember them showing Casey as one of Caylee's heroes...... they are just too much!

http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing (http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing)

That makes me gag!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Russ on October 25, 2008, 12:50:48 PM
Hadn't been to the Anthony's My Space Account for awhile, and didn't remember them showing Casey as one of Caylee's heroes...... they are just too much!

http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing (http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing)


Good grief. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 25, 2008, 12:53:53 PM
Good morning monkeys.  I am all ready for the day.....Coffee -check.......breakfast - check ......big girl panties on -check.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Today on October 25, 2008, 12:55:20 PM
Was this person who stayed with them from California also?  California and Florida are very different.  I would go out back here and leave the patio door open.  If his thing was the air conditioning, she may not have been being rude.  She may just be used to not having to worry about air conditioning.
   If it was me I would be worried about the dogs getting loose, even with what appears to be a fenced in backyard, with all the people around the house you could not be certain that someone might have opened a gait.

That being said.  There are always two sides to every story and the female BH cannot or will not speak at this time.  If she speaks out it could jeopardize the case, so we have to applaud her for keeping quiet.

As far as GA saying she has/wants a book deal, time will tell. In time we will be able to look at everyone who has tried or succeeded in profiting off the murder of his child.   

PS.  George has been known to misspeak when he is angry.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 12:56:51 PM
Good morning monkeys.  I am all ready for the day.....Coffee -check.......breakfast - check ......big girl panties on -check.


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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 12:57:37 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 25, 2008, 12:58:38 PM
Good morning monkeys.  I am all ready for the day.....Coffee -check.......breakfast - check ......big girl panties on -check.


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Morning Tater, you are my sunshine!!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Brandi on October 25, 2008, 12:58:40 PM
Was this person who stayed with them from California also?  California and Florida are very different.  I would go out back here and leave the patio door open.  If his thing was the air conditioning, she may not have been being rude.  She may just be used to not having to worry about air conditioning.
   If it was me I would be worried about the dogs getting loose, even with what appears to be a fenced in backyard, with all the people around the house you could not be certain that someone might have opened a gait.

That being said.  There are always two sides to every story and the female BH cannot or will not speak at this time.  If she speaks out it could jeopardize the case, so we have to applaud her for keeping quiet.

As far as GA saying she has/wants a book deal, time will tell. In time we will be able to look at everyone who has tried or succeeded in profiting off the murder of his child.   

PS.  George has been known to misspeak when he is angry.

And when he misspeaks, he has been known to tell mistruths.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good morning always 1 and everyone!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: always 1 on October 25, 2008, 01:00:00 PM
Was this person who stayed with them from California also?  California and Florida are very different.  I would go out back here and leave the patio door open.  If his thing was the air conditioning, she may not have been being rude.  She may just be used to not having to worry about air conditioning.
   If it was me I would be worried about the dogs getting loose, even with what appears to be a fenced in backyard, with all the people around the house you could not be certain that someone might have opened a gait.

That being said.  There are always two sides to every story and the female BH cannot or will not speak at this time.  If she speaks out it could jeopardize the case, so we have to applaud her for keeping quiet.

As far as GA saying she has/wants a book deal, time will tell. In time we will be able to look at everyone who has tried or succeeded in profiting off the murder of his child.   

PS.  George has been known to misspeak when he is angry.

And when he misspeaks, he has been known to tell mistruths.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good morning always 1 and everyone!
Mornng Brandi!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 25, 2008, 01:00:31 PM
Good morning monkeys.  I am all ready for the day.....Coffee -check.......breakfast - check ......big girl panties on -check.

Did I see big girl panties lmao could you enlighten us on these please??

Good Morning chickaroo!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 25, 2008, 01:02:42 PM
Good morning monkeys.  I am all ready for the day.....Coffee -check.......breakfast - check ......big girl panties on -check.

Did I see big girl panties lmao could you enlighten us on these please??

Good Morning chickaroo!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I was sad yesterday and someone told me to put my big girl panties on - so I did, with matching bra!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 25, 2008, 01:02:52 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.

not to the diabolical Anthonys it doesn't. I don't think a body will convince them - and so this charade will continue to the end of my lifetime.

someone needs to lock them all up - pronto!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 01:03:01 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.

I trust what Dr. Baden says.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: bleachedblack on October 25, 2008, 01:03:47 PM
Ok the only personality defect I can confirm is my own.  But other moneys (who are trained in psych) said they thought Casey had social personality disorder, and at least in my mind, those traits do seem to fit better just based on what I have seen and read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder)

Characteristics of people with antisocial personality disorder may include:

    * Persistent lying or stealing
    * Recurring difficulties with the law
    * Tendency to violate the rights and boundaries of others
    * Substance abuse
    * Aggressive, often violent behavior; prone to getting involved in fights
    * A persistent agitated or depressed feeling (dysphoria)
    * Inability to tolerate boredom
    * Disregard for the safety of self or others
    * A childhood diagnosis of conduct disorders - this is not a symptom but "a history of"
    * Lack of remorse, related to hurting others
    * Superficial charm
    * Impulsiveness
    * A sense of extreme entitlement
    * Inability to make or keep friends
    * Recklessness, impulsivity[5][6]

    * People with a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder often experience difficulties with authority figures


....and then there is Narcissistic personality disorder.

DSM Criteria

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:[1]

   1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance
   2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
   3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique
   4. requires excessive admiration
   5. has a sense of entitlement
   6. is interpersonally exploitative
   7. lacks empathy
   8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
   9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 01:03:55 PM
Good morning monkeys.  I am all ready for the day.....Coffee -check.......breakfast - check ......big girl panties on -check.


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Morning Tater, you are my sunshine!!!!!

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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Lisa39 on October 25, 2008, 01:04:15 PM
Good morning monkeys.  I am all ready for the day.....Coffee -check.......breakfast - check ......big girl panties on -check.

Did I see big girl panties lmao could you enlighten us on these please??

Good Morning chickaroo!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I was sad yesterday and someone told me to put my big girl panties on - so I did, with matching bra!!!

Sorry to hear you were sad hope you are better today Big monkey hugs(((((()))))))))))!!



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 01:04:43 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.

not to the diabolical Anthonys it doesn't. I don't think a body will convince them - and so this charade will continue to the end of my lifetime.

someone needs to lock them all up - pronto!

It wouldn't surprise me that when all is said and done one or more is proven to be involved in the cover-up.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 25, 2008, 01:05:01 PM
I just wonder what George and Cindy imagine life will be like if Casey gets off for this crime.  Do they think the three of them will live together happily as if none of this happened?  Do they think that Casey's problems with lying, stealing and being promiscuous will just come to a screeching halt?  And if she had another child, would they feel that the child was safe with her?

1. Do they think the three of them will live together happily as if none of this happened?

Cindy and Casey will because they are both sociopaths.

2. Do they think that Casey's problems with lying, stealing and being promiscuous will just come to a screeching halt?

Yes.

3. And if she had another child, would they feel that the child was safe with her?

Yes, because Cindy feels she will control the situation better.  Even though she failed Caylee.

JMO.

Interesting.  Pretty much completely opposite of what I think.  I think Casey had already left and didn't intend to go back, just got caught before she could put her total plan into action.  Looks like she was trying to get to California and my guess is, probably from there to somewhere else where Cindy - and the law - would have some trouble tracking her down.
I never think of Cindy as being a sociopath.  Lying all over the place to try to put reasonable doubt into the mind of the public, yes, and coming across as a weirdo in the process, yes.  Total control freak, definitely yes.  When you can tell your husband that because he hasn't physically lived in the house for a while that he has no say-so, or make him go to work, well then, you've got a mighty good control thing going on. 

I would tend to think Cindy's control as to Casey having another baby would go in the opposite direction, that she'd do whatever she possibly could to ensure that she never had another one. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 25, 2008, 01:05:57 PM
Good morning monkeys.  I am all ready for the day.....Coffee -check.......breakfast - check ......big girl panties on -check.

Did I see big girl panties lmao could you enlighten us on these please??

Good Morning chickaroo!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I was sad yesterday and someone told me to put my big girl panties on - so I did, with matching bra!!!

Sorry to hear you were sad hope you are better today Big monkey hugs(((((()))))))))))!!


Backacha!!1


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 25, 2008, 01:07:37 PM
Hadn't been to the Anthony's My Space Account for awhile, and didn't remember them showing Casey as one of Caylee's heroes...... they are just too much!

http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing (http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing)

My lord-these people neet help-NOW!!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 25, 2008, 01:08:08 PM
Good morning monkeys.  I am all ready for the day.....Coffee -check.......breakfast - check ......big girl panties on -check.

Did I see big girl panties lmao could you enlighten us on these please??

Good Morning chickaroo!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I was sad yesterday and someone told me to put my big girl panties on - so I did, with matching bra!!!
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 01:08:19 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.

not to the diabolical Anthonys it doesn't. I don't think a body will convince them - and so this charade will continue to the end of my lifetime.

someone needs to lock them all up - pronto!

I so hope you are wrong Rob about continuing a lifetime..Not a day goes by that I don't think of Natalee and the huge scar on my heart that whole thing left! One a lifetime is all I think I can handle as far as justice never being served... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: littleone on October 25, 2008, 01:09:08 PM
Good morning monkeys.  I am all ready for the day.....Coffee -check.......breakfast - check ......big girl panties on -check.

Did I see big girl panties lmao could you enlighten us on these please??

Good Morning chickaroo!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Mornin Always1-gotta love the big girl panties!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 01:09:18 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 25, 2008, 01:11:16 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17800136/detail.html

Hard Evidence Confirms Decomposition In Casey Anthony's Car
Reports Also Confirm High Levels Of Chloroform


POSTED: 12:06 am EDT October 25, 2008
UPDATED: 12:14 am EDT October 25, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Hard evidence released on Friday showed that at some point there was definitely a dead body in Casey Anthony's car.

The same report also showed that there was a strong presence of chloroform. Both findings confirm information sources previously revealed to WESH 2 News about missing 3-year-old Caylee Anthony's mother.

A chemist explained what the findings could mean for the investigation.

"This is what our tissues are made of," said chemist Dr. Jeff Flowers about the findings inside Casey Anthony's trunk. "This is a horrid thing to talk about, really."

Flowers said, after reading through the report from a body farm in Tennessee, he believes compounds found in the air in Casey Anthony's trunk point clearly to human decomposition.

"They did not base this on one or two positive identifications, but on many," Flowers said. "So it's very strong evidence in my mind as a chemist (of) decomposition of a body in the car, of a human body in the car."


In addition to evidence of human decomposition, scientists at the Tennessee body farm also found unusually high levels of chloroform.

"These are higher than what they might expect from decomposition products, and that means they have to have been put there artificially by a human being," Flowers said.

Also released Friday were tests from an FBI lab that conclude a strand of hair found in Casey Anthony's trunk showed signs of decomposition at the root, and under a microscope it appeared similar to hair taken from Caylee's hairbrush. But the sample was too small to draw a conclusion.

A DNA test on the same hair strand confirmed it came from either Casey or Caylee Anthony.

The body farm also said it found compounds that could indicate the decomposition took place in anaerobic conditions, meaning without oxygen, but Flowers said it's not strong evidence.

"One theory, if you've been following the case, is that she was buried somewhere else and then transferred into the car," Flowers said. "But it's pretty speculative."

Todd Black, the representative for Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said the release of the documents do not show any proof that Casey Anthony harmed her daughter.

A representative for Orange County Jail said a pastor from Eastside Baptist Church met with Casey Anthony for about three hours Friday morning.


The wording in the released forensic report has me kinda concerned when I think about it from a defence perspective.

Janet

+++++++

REPORT: Evidence Of Decomposition, Chloroform In Casey's Car
POSTED: 8:21 am EDT October 24, 2008
UPDATED: 4:25 pm EDT October 24, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Scientists who conducted forensic tests in the Casey Anthony investigation concluded that human decomposition and evidence of chloroform were present in the trunk of Casey's car, according to the report released Friday.

The report details findings from FBI tests on items found inside Casey's car, including DNA results on hair samples and forensic testing of debris and clothing (read details).

Among the results is confirmation that a hair sample found in the vehicle "exhibits characteristics of apparent decomposition." The report also says that specific hair is "microscopically similar"  to hair investigators took from Caylee's hairbrush, but couldn't confirm it was conclusively Caylee's.

DNA testing done on that piece of hair and compared with a sample provided by Casey confirmed that neither Casey nor Caylee can be "excluded as the source of the hair," because the "mtDNA sequences ... are the same."

Tests also confirmed "residues of chloroform" within a spare tire cover found inside the trunk of Casey's car. "Residues consistent with chloroform" were also found within the left and right side trunk liner. The report says no other chemicals were detected within those items.

Odor tests that were conducted on the carpet inside Casey's car concluded that 80 percent  of the chemicals identified were "consistent with decompositional events." The results of the FBI's Laser-Induced Breakdown Spectroscopy (LIBS) on the same carpet concluded that "while these are still preliminary results ... both odor analysis and LIBS results appear to be quite consistent with a decompositional event having occurred in the trunk of the vehicle."

The report also clarifies that the tests conducted appear to point to human decomposition and not animal. Meanwhile, a hair fragment the FBI found on the shovel Casey borrowed from her neighbor days after investigators believe Caylee was murdered, but that hair did not match Caylee or Casey.

The report's final conclusion is that the results of the tests and comparisons indicate "that a portion of the total odor signature identified in the Florida vehicle trunk is consistent with a decompositional event that could be of human origin."

The details of the report released Friday are probably part of what the grand jury heard last week before indicting Casey, but it's not all of the evidence. The thousands of tips that were called in on the case are expected to be released soon and Eyewitness News has learned the vast majority of them are from psychics.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17793661/detail.html


NANCY GRACE
Forensic Evidence Released in Missing Florida Toddler Case
Aired October 24, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


DREW PETRIMOULX, WDBO: No, just the opposite, actually. Jose Baez said today that, basically, the cat`s out of the bag. The prosecution has shown its hand and that they have nothing, or at least what they have has a lot of holes in it. And while there is some very, you know, concerning, damning even, evidence in these reports, there is also, you know, throughout the reports, words like "not definite" and "preliminary" and "remote possibility." So basically, he says that this casts a shadow of a doubt on the whole prosecution`s argument and that people should be out now looking for Caylee because she`s still alive.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/24/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 01:11:19 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 25, 2008, 01:13:15 PM
Hadn't been to the Anthony's My Space Account for awhile, and didn't remember them showing Casey as one of Caylee's heroes...... they are just too much!

http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing (http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing)

My lord-these people neet help-NOW!!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::

funny how the term "hero" has been distorted over the last ten years.

First it was twisted inside out to glorify 19 maniacs that flew 4 airplanes full of innocent people to their deaths.

and NOW a hero is someone who kills their own kid.

gak!

what's next ??

a "hero" who blows up a daycare?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Brandi on October 25, 2008, 01:13:47 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Oh I can hear Cindy now ...it's all circumstantial evidence. They have no proof!

Can't you hear that too?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Rob on October 25, 2008, 01:15:33 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.

not to the diabolical Anthonys it doesn't. I don't think a body will convince them - and so this charade will continue to the end of my lifetime.

someone needs to lock them all up - pronto!

I so hope you are wrong Rob about continuing a lifetime..Not a day goes by that I don't think of Natalee and the huge scar on my heart that whole thing left! One a lifetime is all I think I can handle as far as justice never being served... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Tater, I have been extremely depressed about Natalee lately. What do we have to do to those four animals in jail?

And I have some not so kind words for Hans Mos.

I think Caylee will be found. She is not going to be missing forever. I'm very hopeful.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: strayze on October 25, 2008, 01:16:44 PM
When


Actually I think it may have been after the cadaver dogs had been to the Hopespring Dr address & if IIRC it was right around the time that rumors were being circulated that TES would be going to the Hopespring Dr address with cadaver dogs & at the time my thinking was that GA was possibly trying to sabotage the cadaver dogs or burn their paws as lime will do that as well.

I have never heard that lime will burn. My daddy worked in a rock quarry. they produced rocks gravel  and lime as well as other things.So he was around it daily. He also used it on our grass as well as in the garden. Us kids were always barefoot in the summer and if it would have harmed us in anyway I am sure he would never have used it. I guess now I will have to do some research. LOL


Well I am back and did some research. one of the things I read was

Skin Hazards—Lime can cause irritation and burns to unprotected skin, especially in the presence of moisture. Prolonged contact with unprotected skin should be avoided. Protective gloves and clothing that fully covers arms and legs are recommended. Particular care should be exercised with quicklime because its reaction with moisture generates heat capable of causing thermal burns.

Maybe Daddy was trying to punish all of us kids. LOL It really is a joke because Daddy was my stepfather and was the kindest most gentle man on the face of this earth. He lived for us kids.JMHO


When speaking of "lime" it's important to know whether you are speaking of true limestone known often as lime, or of kilned lime, which is lime in which the Carbonate groups of limestone have been converted to gaseous carbon dioxide to "quicklime".

Lime is CALCIUM CARBONATE, and is rather inert and neutral.  It is used for garden lime, and will not burn the grass or garden.

Quicklime is CALCIUM OXIDE, which is highly reactive to water and carbon dioxide.  It gives off heat and there is much sputtering in the process of forming calcium carbonate or "lime".  Calcium oxide has a number of useful purposes.


Please don't get these confused.


Lime (calcium carbonate) does not burn the skin either, but calcium oxide (sometimes called quicklime) will.
When I was little I stayed on my Grandfathers farm.  He put lime in the outhouses.  Which kind was that???
  That was quicklime (lime heated in a kiln to expell carbonate ) which is chemically  calcium oxide.  In the outhouses of my past, this is what was used.  The local farm supplies store can guide on what to use.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 25, 2008, 01:19:16 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.

So obviously she did choloroform the baby.  But Casey using choloroform on Caylee is so hard to grasp for me it was to knock her out while she partied ... or slept overnight at someone's house.  It would have been a 1000 times easier to just give her some kind of med to knock her out.  I think they said it was pure form, not the kind mixed up so where would she get that ? 

Casey no doubt had access to any type of drug she wanted, which would have been so much easier and more easily controlled as to how much she gave her.  She could have even used over the counter Dimetapp or Benadryl.  Even if she deliberately intended to kill her, drugs would have been so much easier.  Why choloroform?  I don't get it.




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 25, 2008, 01:19:16 PM
Oh
When


Actually I think it may have been after the cadaver dogs had been to the Hopespring Dr address & if IIRC it was right around the time that rumors were being circulated that TES would be going to the Hopespring Dr address with cadaver dogs & at the time my thinking was that GA was possibly trying to sabotage the cadaver dogs or burn their paws as lime will do that as well.

I have never heard that lime will burn. My daddy worked in a rock quarry. they produced rocks gravel  and lime as well as other things.So he was around it daily. He also used it on our grass as well as in the garden. Us kids were always barefoot in the summer and if it would have harmed us in anyway I am sure he would never have used it. I guess now I will have to do some research. LOL


Well I am back and did some research. one of the things I read was

Skin Hazards—Lime can cause irritation and burns to unprotected skin, especially in the presence of moisture. Prolonged contact with unprotected skin should be avoided. Protective gloves and clothing that fully covers arms and legs are recommended. Particular care should be exercised with quicklime because its reaction with moisture generates heat capable of causing thermal burns.

Maybe Daddy was trying to punish all of us kids. LOL It really is a joke because Daddy was my stepfather and was the kindest most gentle man on the face of this earth. He lived for us kids.JMHO


When speaking of "lime" it's important to know whether you are speaking of true limestone known often as lime, or of kilned lime, which is lime in which the Carbonate groups of limestone have been converted to gaseous carbon dioxide to "quicklime".

Lime is CALCIUM CARBONATE, and is rather inert and neutral.  It is used for garden lime, and will not burn the grass or garden.

Quicklime is CALCIUM OXIDE, which is highly reactive to water and carbon dioxide.  It gives off heat and there is much sputtering in the process of forming calcium carbonate or "lime".  Calcium oxide has a number of useful purposes.


Please don't get these confused.


Lime (calcium carbonate) does not burn the skin either, but calcium oxide (sometimes called quicklime) will.
When I was little I stayed on my Grandfathers farm.  He put lime in the outhouses.  Which kind was that???
  That was quicklime (lime heated in a kiln to expell carbonate ) which is chemically  calcium oxide.  In the outhouses of my past, this is what was used.  The local farm supplies store can guide on what to use.
Oh Thank you - Grandpa was stylin - 3 holes!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 01:19:36 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?
YES, but they have a pretty good ME right there in Orlando -- Dr. G.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: strayze on October 25, 2008, 01:20:27 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Oh I can hear Cindy now ...it's all circumstantial evidence. They have no proof!

Can't you hear that too?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: San on October 25, 2008, 01:21:40 PM
I just wonder what George and Cindy imagine life will be like if Casey gets off for this crime.  Do they think the three of them will live together happily as if none of this happened?  Do they think that Casey's problems with lying, stealing and being promiscuous will just come to a screeching halt?  And if she had another child, would they feel that the child was safe with her?

1. Do they think the three of them will live together happily as if none of this happened?

Cindy and Casey will because they are both sociopaths.

2. Do they think that Casey's problems with lying, stealing and being promiscuous will just come to a screeching halt?

Yes.

3. And if she had another child, would they feel that the child was safe with her?

Yes, because Cindy feels she will control the situation better.  Even though she failed Caylee.

JMO.

Interesting.  Pretty much completely opposite of what I think.  I think Casey had already left and didn't intend to go back, just got caught before she could put her total plan into action.  Looks like she was trying to get to California and my guess is, probably from there to somewhere else where Cindy - and the law - would have some trouble tracking her down.
I never think of Cindy as being a sociopath.  Lying all over the place to try to put reasonable doubt into the mind of the public, yes, and coming across as a weirdo in the process, yes.  Total control freak, definitely yes.  When you can tell your husband that because he hasn't physically lived in the house for a while that he has no say-so, or make him go to work, well then, you've got a mighty good control thing going on. 

I would tend to think Cindy's control as to Casey having another baby would go in the opposite direction, that she'd do whatever she possibly could to ensure that she never had another one. 


I just feel Casey wouldn't feel comfortable going away from her comfort zone if she was found not guilty.  She needs Cindy to protect her for now.  I think in Cindy's warped mind that if Casey did have another child it would replace Caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 01:22:02 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.

not to the diabolical Anthonys it doesn't. I don't think a body will convince them - and so this charade will continue to the end of my lifetime.

someone needs to lock them all up - pronto!

I so hope you are wrong Rob about continuing a lifetime..Not a day goes by that I don't think of Natalee and the huge scar on my heart that whole thing left! One a lifetime is all I think I can handle as far as justice never being served... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Tater, I have been extremely depressed about Natalee lately. What do we have to do to those four animals in jail?

And I have some not so kind words for Hans Mos.

I think Caylee will be found. She is not going to be missing forever. I'm very hopeful.

I know what you mean Rob concerning Natalee..My hubby knew the misery I was under and pleaded with me to let go and let God.My heart knows that in the end,the guilty will not go free and unpunished but here and now,I grieve..I always will grieve for Natalee and her family,that's a given...To try and imagine that justice will not come for baby Caylee is just too much to bear so like you,I'm going to do my best and stay hopeful that she will be found and not lost to us forever..My God I pray it's true...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/eusa_pray.gif)(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/eusa_pray.gif)(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/eusa_pray.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 25, 2008, 01:22:56 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Oh I can hear Cindy now ...it's all circumstantial evidence. They have no proof!

Can't you hear that too?
Absolutely.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 01:23:12 PM
Quote
Oh Thank you - Grandpa was stylin - 3 holes!!!
I always wondered about that -- was using the outhouse a "family affair"?????  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 25, 2008, 01:24:31 PM
Quote
Oh Thank you - Grandpa was stylin - 3 holes!!!
I always wondered about that -- was using the outhouse a "family affair"?????  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
We were very close!!!!!  (Hook em Horns!!!!)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: FL Beagle Mom on October 25, 2008, 01:25:25 PM
Was this person who stayed with them from California also?  California and Florida are very different.  I would go out back here and leave the patio door open.  If his thing was the air conditioning, she may not have been being rude.  She may just be used to not having to worry about air conditioning.

And as I posted, this could have been due to security reasons. By bet is, that they kept their doors locked all the time.

I lived in FL for half my life and we had the a/c on from Feb til November. My inlaws would come visit from CA and leave the doors open and it would irritate me...I had to tell them many times to close the door. Maybe that is what George was so upset about ... i know it gets to me!  Now being back in CA with them, we turn the air on  here and they STILL open the doors  ::MonkeyConfused::  It's not cool to get one someone's computer, esp without permission.

Janet, thanks for the info, i'm sure that the AP got it wrong cuz I don't see it anywhere else.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Brandi on October 25, 2008, 01:26:28 PM
Quote
Oh Thank you - Grandpa was stylin - 3 holes!!!
I always wondered about that -- was using the outhouse a "family affair"?????  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
We were very close!!!!!  (Hook em Horns!!!!)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/WOWmonkey.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 25, 2008, 01:27:37 PM
Don't throw nanners at me ::MonkeyNoNo:: I've read posts on here that pm's caused problems in the past - was wondering how long ago that was and if it was possibly to try them out again? ::MonkeyCool::

It was OVER 3 years ago and NO, pm's will not be allowed at SM. 

It is the edit option that I miss.  Sometimes my typos emerge as very very bad words.  I may find myself a victim of the red button one day.

Klaas ... I promise not to tell the other Monkeys if you afford me the edit option.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
I would be in favor of granting the "edit" function to those with at least 2996 posts.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think 6794 posts would be a perfect point to afford Monkeys their own edit option.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Colt45cal on October 25, 2008, 01:27:48 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Oh I can hear Cindy now ...it's all circumstantial evidence. They have no proof!

Can't you hear that too?
Absolutely.

God...how I'm beginning to hate that word. And "Day one".


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: strayze on October 25, 2008, 01:30:10 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Oh I can hear Cindy now ...it's all circumstantial evidence. They have no proof!

Can't you hear that too?

Yes I can certainly hear Cindy naysaying any and all LE reports of objective data that indicate Casey is a killer.  Both Cindy and Casey are liars.  Some of Cindy's lies are quite intricately hewn.  The LE has great difficulty questioning Cindy because she keeps changing her story.  LE has pleaded with her to give consistent answers.  In a single session she changes her stories repeatedly.  The sessions with Cindy are notably long because of her many lies.  Her sessions are tortuous.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 25, 2008, 01:30:40 PM
Don't throw nanners at me ::MonkeyNoNo:: I've read posts on here that pm's caused problems in the past - was wondering how long ago that was and if it was possibly to try them out again? ::MonkeyCool::

It was OVER 3 years ago and NO, pm's will not be allowed at SM. 

It is the edit option that I miss.  Sometimes my typos emerge as very very bad words.  I may find myself a victim of the red button one day.

Klaas ... I promise not to tell the other Monkeys if you afford me the edit option.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
I would be in favor of granting the "edit" function to those with at least 2996 posts.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think 6794 posts would be a perfect point to afford Monkeys their own edit option.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

I would go with 110.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 01:31:10 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?
YES, but they have a pretty good ME right there in Orlando -- Dr. G.

As well known as Baden? That's what I'm hoping for.I think he is just better received as far as reliability goes.Kobe just seem's like a "I'll say whatever you want me to as long as I'm getting a paycheck"..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: KCJackie on October 25, 2008, 01:32:46 PM
Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said he most surprised about how clean the trunk was and believes a second suspect will surface.

"So if the hypothesis is Caylee was in the trunk is true, whoever helped Miss Anthony was very intelligent and I would have to think they had some law enforcement background," said Hornsby.

HMMMMM.....George......Jesse.........Tony R.???????

I remember reading an article (and I can't remember which one) which says something about Caylee's impact (negative) on the lives of 3 police officers.

So -- we can speculate Jesse is 1, and Tony R is 2 -- who is 3??

At first I thought they may be referring to George -- but he really hasn't been a police officer for a long time. Un less Casey had something to do with why he left the force?

Just thought it was a very interesting comment -- her adverse impact on 3 law enforcement officers.

Morning Monkeys.

Saw this at WS, pasting all because it might disappear.

stark3923 
On Time Out   Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Prior Lake, MN
Posts: 154 
 
 Adam? Another kc bf emerges

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ADAM- last name unknown- http://www.myspace.com/44157817 Police Academy 2006. Dated Casey Anthony- cheated on Jesse Grund with Adam. Police Academy in late 2006 and flunked out of field training. Was fired on the spot in a squad car is what I am told. Comments from Casey to him in March of 2006 that indicated she was starting to see him BEFORE she broke off the engagement with Jesse.   
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73750

IIRC (but could have been a different board)  Poster later claims was holding back this information, the reason for not posting sooner, but never really said why.

Thanks IAmHereToday --

I wonder if this is one of the names that KCJackie has mentioned??

I will try to check back -- or hopefully she will answer  ::MonkeyHaHa::

.

Hi Sharon!  I haven't seen an Adam yet  :smt017- closest thing is Andy.  Although there is someone she referred to as "Special K" - she's went through the whole damn alphabet......... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 01:32:58 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?
YES, but they have a pretty good ME right there in Orlando -- Dr. G.

As well known as Baden? That's what I'm hoping for.I think he is just better received as far as reliability goes.Kobe just seem's like a "I'll say whatever you want me to as long as I'm getting a paycheck"..
Well, Dr. G has her own National TV show -- that is pretty well known.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 01:34:21 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?
YES, but they have a pretty good ME right there in Orlando -- Dr. G.

As well known as Baden? That's what I'm hoping for.I think he is just better received as far as reliability goes.Kobe just seem's like a "I'll say whatever you want me to as long as I'm getting a paycheck"..
Well, Dr. G has her own National TV show -- that is pretty well known.
...and would CERTAINLY be credible to a FLORIDA jury pool!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 25, 2008, 01:34:54 PM
Don't throw nanners at me ::MonkeyNoNo:: I've read posts on here that pm's caused problems in the past - was wondering how long ago that was and if it was possibly to try them out again? ::MonkeyCool::

It was OVER 3 years ago and NO, pm's will not be allowed at SM. 

It is the edit option that I miss.  Sometimes my typos emerge as very very bad words.  I may find myself a victim of the red button one day.

Klaas ... I promise not to tell the other Monkeys if you afford me the edit option.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
I would be in favor of granting the "edit" function to those with at least 2996 posts.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think 6794 posts would be a perfect point to afford Monkeys their own edit option.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

I would go with 110.

  ::MonkeyShocked::

I would have a tatrum.  Monkeys have never seen Tamikosmom have a tatrum and ... believe me it ain't pretty.

  ::MonkeyWink::

Janet



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 01:35:57 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?
YES, but they have a pretty good ME right there in Orlando -- Dr. G.

As well known as Baden? That's what I'm hoping for.I think he is just better received as far as reliability goes.Kobe just seem's like a "I'll say whatever you want me to as long as I'm getting a paycheck"..

Kobe wants to tear down any evidence to help the prosecution.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Brandi on October 25, 2008, 01:36:34 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?
YES, but they have a pretty good ME right there in Orlando -- Dr. G.

As well known as Baden? That's what I'm hoping for.I think he is just better received as far as reliability goes.Kobe just seem's like a "I'll say whatever you want me to as long as I'm getting a paycheck"..
Well, Dr. G has her own National TV show -- that is pretty well known.

I had to look that one up .. never heard of Dr. G:

Quote
Dr. G: Medical Examiner documents cases handled by deputy chief medical examiner Dr. Jan C. Garavaglia (aka Dr. G) of Florida's District Nine Medical Examiner's Office. Each episode features two or three cases Dr. G has handled in the Orlando area, and also in Bexar County, Texas and Jacksonville, Florida where she was previously employed.

http://www.tv.com/dr.-g-medical-examiner/show/28764/summary.html

Guess he or she is popular in Florida though.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 01:36:52 PM
Quote
I would have a tatrum.  Monkeys have never seen Tamikosmom have a tatrum and ... believe me it ain't pretty.

 

Janet
..and then you could have "edited" the word "tantrum"  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 01:37:27 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?
YES, but they have a pretty good ME right there in Orlando -- Dr. G.

As well known as Baden? That's what I'm hoping for.I think he is just better received as far as reliability goes.Kobe just seem's like a "I'll say whatever you want me to as long as I'm getting a paycheck"..
Well, Dr. G has her own National TV show -- that is pretty well known.

Is there a link to her website you can give me?I have no clue who she is wreck!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: mammy on October 25, 2008, 01:37:36 PM
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I would have a tatrum.  Monkeys have never seen Tamikosmom have a tatrum and ... believe me it ain't pretty.

 

Janet
..and then you could have "edited" the word "tantrum"  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 25, 2008, 01:38:17 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?
YES, but they have a pretty good ME right there in Orlando -- Dr. G.

As well known as Baden? That's what I'm hoping for.I think he is just better received as far as reliability goes.Kobe just seem's like a "I'll say whatever you want me to as long as I'm getting a paycheck"..

Kobe wants to tear down any evidence to help the prosecution.

Kobe my not know it, but I think he's helping the prosecution's case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 25, 2008, 01:38:40 PM
God...how I'm beginning to hate that word. And "Day one".

 ::MonkeyWink::   Me too!   

 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Colt45cal on October 25, 2008, 01:39:46 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?
YES, but they have a pretty good ME right there in Orlando -- Dr. G.

As well known as Baden? That's what I'm hoping for.I think he is just better received as far as reliability goes.Kobe just seem's like a "I'll say whatever you want me to as long as I'm getting a paycheck"..

Kobe wants to tear down any evidence to help the prosecution.

Kobe my not know it, but I think he's helping the prosecution's case.

This is why I need an edit function!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: OurAngelCaylee on October 25, 2008, 01:39:55 PM
anyone here have the key to lock this up ?  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2008, 01:40:40 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?
YES, but they have a pretty good ME right there in Orlando -- Dr. G.

As well known as Baden? That's what I'm hoping for.I think he is just better received as far as reliability goes.Kobe just seem's like a "I'll say whatever you want me to as long as I'm getting a paycheck"..
Well, Dr. G has her own National TV show -- that is pretty well known.

Is there a link to her website you can give me?I have no clue who she is wreck!
Her show is on TLC :

http://health.discovery.com/fansites/drg/bio/bio.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 01:40:51 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?
YES, but they have a pretty good ME right there in Orlando -- Dr. G.

As well known as Baden? That's what I'm hoping for.I think he is just better received as far as reliability goes.Kobe just seem's like a "I'll say whatever you want me to as long as I'm getting a paycheck"..
Well, Dr. G has her own National TV show -- that is pretty well known.

I had to look that one up .. never heard of Dr. G:

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Dr. G: Medical Examiner documents cases handled by deputy chief medical examiner Dr. Jan C. Garavaglia (aka Dr. G) of Florida's District Nine Medical Examiner's Office. Each episode features two or three cases Dr. G has handled in the Orlando area, and also in Bexar County, Texas and Jacksonville, Florida where she was previously employed.

http://www.tv.com/dr.-g-medical-examiner/show/28764/summary.html

Guess he or she is popular in Florida though.


Thanks Brandi..Now I know who she is..Yep,yep yep!!! Can the state call two experts in?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 25, 2008, 01:40:52 PM
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I would have a tatrum.  Monkeys have never seen Tamikosmom have a tatrum and ... believe me it ain't pretty.

Janet
..and then you could have "edited" the word "tantrum"  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Tater on October 25, 2008, 01:41:32 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?
YES, but they have a pretty good ME right there in Orlando -- Dr. G.

As well known as Baden? That's what I'm hoping for.I think he is just better received as far as reliability goes.Kobe just seem's like a "I'll say whatever you want me to as long as I'm getting a paycheck"..
Well, Dr. G has her own National TV show -- that is pretty well known.

Is there a link to her website you can give me?I have no clue who she is wreck!
Her show is on TLC :

http://health.discovery.com/fansites/drg/bio/bio.html

Thanks Wreck!!!!! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Treehouse on October 25, 2008, 01:41:51 PM
Budsgirl,

You are the only one of us getting any exercise right now.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm sitting here holding my breath expecting G-forces when the thread locks. I've not been thru the tunnel before.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Monken on October 25, 2008, 01:42:29 PM
Dr. Baden on Foxnews just now:

The large amount of chloroform found is too much to be from decomposition.

The banding on the hair proves that Caylee is dead and could have died from the chloroform.  The banding of the hair means that the skin was already decomposing. 

The FBI report PROVES Caylee is dead.
Yep!!! What say you now - Anthonys????

Is there any chance Baden will testify on Caylee's behalf?
YES, but they have a pretty good ME right there in Orlando -- Dr. G.

As well known as Baden? That's what I'm hoping for.I think he is just better received as far as reliability goes.Kobe just seem's like a "I'll say whatever you want me to as long as I'm getting a paycheck"..
Well, Dr. G has her own National TV show -- that is pretty well known.

Is there a link to her website you can give me?I have no clue who she is wreck!



Sorry if this has already been done, my husband watches this all the time!

http://health.discovery.com/fansites/drg/drg-fansite.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: strayze on October 25, 2008, 01:42:31 PM
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Oh Thank you - Grandpa was stylin - 3 holes!!!
I always wondered about that -- was using the outhouse a "family affair"?????  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

It was the outhouse at the two room school that was interesting.  Always people would get locked in and not come back from recess.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 25, 2008, 01:44:09 PM
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Oh Thank you - Grandpa was stylin - 3 holes!!!
I always wondered about that -- was using the outhouse a "family affair"?????  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

It was the outhouse at the two room school that was interesting.  Always people would get locked in and not come back from recess.

oh my gosh and I thought I was old


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: always 1 on October 25, 2008, 01:44:46 PM
Why why why are George and Cindy not in the pokey too???  IMO, if a car used in a crime is in your possesion, and you clean said car with chemicals to get rid of smell you have reported to be like "a dead body"   then that is ..................what is the one Im looking for???????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 01:44:54 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Perper

Perper wouldn't be bad either although I'd prefer Baden

(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/070326/n_ans_perper_070326.300w.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #4
Post by: littleone on October 25, 2008, 01:45:10 PM
Hadn't been to the Anthony's My Space Account for awhile, and didn't remember them showing Casey as one of Caylee's heroes...... they are just too much!

http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing (http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing)

My lord-these people neet help-NOW!!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::

funny how the term "hero" has been distorted over the last ten years.

First it was twisted inside out to glorify 19 maniacs that flew 4 airplanes full of innocent people to their deaths.

and NOW a hero is someone who kills their own kid.

gak!

what's next ??

a "hero" who blows up a daycare?

First-please add me to the list for an edit button! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Pretty flippin scary isn't it Rob?! Casey a hero? George and Cindy advocates for missing people?!  It makes me so angry !!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: OurAngelCaylee on October 25, 2008, 01:45:23 PM
someone wake up Klass ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #49
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2008, 01:46:06 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/1LOCKED.gif)

Please move to Cayle #50

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3822.0