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kermit wrote:  Nov 15, 2008 6:27 PM

one is a polis officer.
one is a monkey's uncle.
one is a monkey.

Now can I eat the treat!
ribbit

one is a polis officer.
one is a monkey's uncle.
one is a monkey.

Now can I eat the treat!
ribbit

texasmom,

You may have to change that pic. I am heating up the oil for frog legs now. :shock: :lol:

Kermit will be hopping right in here, now...for sure.

Altruist, can't say about the F-16's....not my area of expertise...if I have one.

This is how the picture thing went to the best of my recollection....

Someone sent Klaas the pictures in an e-mail.  No idea who it was.
Klaas posted them briefly in just a small size and then took them down.
We all begged to see them again.

Then Robin was over at RU arguing all about how they should have
never been copied from her site.  Even RU told her that if you put
it on the internet it is public.  Robin was all about it is a private site, etc.
GaGirl or whoever that GA person was backing Robin up and there was
a big tussle over at RU.  But the pictures were up there and stayed there.
I can't remember if Robin posted them at BNH or FOB.

Then Kyle was over here telling that the pictures should have never
been posted.  I think he had already sent Red a pretty testy e-mail.
He said some unkind things to Klaas, but she held her own.  He later
apologized, I think.

Meanwhile, the pictures were all over the place and finally we got to see
then all we wanted.

SS,

http://www.jchtv.com/?cat=136

http://brightkite.com/people/iconjohn

LOL, expertise, not mine either but IIRC people on the ground stated at the time the F-16's (2),  were doing their grid patterns the F-16's were flying very low & very fast.  So in my ignorant mind looking for a young woman about 105 lbs or so would be much more difficult than looking for large objects, rock formations that would indicate the plausible called for geological characteristics that would indicate conditions of oil exploration worthiness.  Those F-16's were certainly flying over the ocean, lots of ocean.  It seemed at the time total overkill of resources if the resources were even feasible considering the size of Natalee who they claimed to be searching for.  When searches are done with heat sensor equipment in our country they use hellicopters.  I actually don't remember the technology being utilized by the F-16's.

This is pretty much the way I got it, too, but I think John Silvetti's sister, Lexi, was also involved somehow in posting.

texasmom,

You may have to change that pic. I am heating up the oil for frog legs now. :shock: :lol:

Gottcha and thanks!!!  It's pretty conclusive, but how does he fit into the Persistence picture?

I was lost still posting on the last thread.

The photograph below is oceanexploration.

VMS - could I please have some links to the John Coffey guy and could someone explain how he would be connected to the fish trap coverup and the Persistence search?  Is he a diver?

2NJ - OE was here in NJ because he was going to school at Rutgers.  I think he and his wife and new baby are living in Texas or LA now.  Mags - I am so starting to lean toward what you said about him being the Monkey.  He even refused to give Private Eye any information about the shirt and the trap - that's family. The Frog did keep telling us to go back and read PEs posts.  Froggy also put his picture up with the rest of them - that's a big message.

G'nite all.  I'll be back...maybe before Kermit... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Beats me? I haven't seen anything that connects him.  :smt102

Oh, and at least one Mansur is a diver.  So is 27 yearold Silverfox04.

SS,

http://www.jchtv.com/?cat=136

http://brightkite.com/people/iconjohn

Edward, wanted to ask you if you were being sarcastic regarding Halliburton having 75 sites in Hugo's neck of the continent or if that is indeed a fact.  Sorry I couldn't be positive.  Haven't read you enough.  Hope your Sunday night was as pleasant as your Saturday night in your wonderful location.

Poor little Natalee.  They all used her for their own gains.

I just don't see why they could not give back her body or some part of it,
so that her family could lay her to rest.

I may be wrong, but I DO NOT think that CAPS has led us up a primrose
path.  He has done a lot of research.  He has never said that she was
not in the fish trap.  He is nothing like Julia Renfro or Charles Croes.
The only thing that has bothered me was he said that Joran chopped
her up with a big knife.  I think he was upset that he was doubted.

Last time I checked, 2 years ago. their site it showed 75 office locations in Venezuela. How many they have today I do not know.

They have a new look to there web site now,, it only lists 3 offices now.
They must be victims of downsizing.. lol

http://www.halliburton.com/default.aspx?pageid=1278

Poor little Natalee.  They all used her for their own gains.

I just don't see why they could not give back her body or some part of it,
so that her family could lay her to rest.

I may be wrong, but I DO NOT think that CAPS has led us up a primrose
path.  He has done a lot of research.  He has never said that she was
not in the fish trap.  He is nothing like Julia Renfro or Charles Croes.
The only thing that has bothered me was he said that Joran chopped
her up with a big knife.  I think he was upset that he was doubted.

9 locations in all of south America. they must have stopped counting the Mobile office trailers as offices,, ::MonkeyLaugh::

There are a lot less today listed.. that web site is sure nice..

They have a new look to there web site now,, it only lists 3 offices now.
They must be victims of downsizing.. lol

http://www.halliburton.com/default.aspx?pageid=1278

I'll admit it I have been.  Only slept 3 hrs., this is biting at me.

I agree with most of what you've said Magnolia.  My opinion about Caps has not changed.  I haven't taken the time to think about his most recent post, I need to go back and read it; you may be right about that too. 

I don't know if we found any of the information that Kermit tried to help us with or not; if we didn't it was certainly not because we didn't try.  There are many crew members that I know absolutely nothing about, I don't want to think the worst of the few that I did know something about.  I want to know the truth, if I need to do a lot more research; I'll do it.  The mission of the Persistence gave us all hope when there wasn't any.  I still believe that most were there for the right reason, and sacrificed a lot to do what they did.  If what was suggested is true, I pity the fools that used this family's pain for monetary gain and left them to suffer not knowing the truth.  They will have to look at themselves in the mirror and live with what they've done; and they will answer to God in the end. 

Yep we need to fry his legs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey guys,

I'm not sure we found any of the information we were pointed to.  I think it's kind of a hot mess.
I'm not positive that the guy in the red shirt in the Persistence photo is Mr. Silvetti, but I think someone identified him and Hans Mos.  Otherwise, I don't know who the others are. 

I have drawn no conclusions about any of the folks.  We need the initials from the Shango thread, we need to know who the divers were, and there's definitely something fishy about how many dives there were, and on what days.  PI' post indicates the FBI did not receive what was seen in the photos.

I don't think CAPS' credibility has been questioned, simply that the initials he posted would give a clue as to who diverted monkeys attention away from the sea search and toward the pond story. 

Monkey needs rest.  Nite all.

Reply #793 on: Today at 11:30:04 AM »
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.780
Helen Beck is correct

If we are going to talk about this today, let's review what Kermit said.

We reviewed PI's post and it's clear from his conversation with Kyle that what is show in the pictures is not what was sent to the FBI.  It seems someone switched the fabric and whatever genetic material was discovered.  There appears to be a skull and a shoe in the photographs we saw.  Kermit is telling us to look at the divers, obviously they covered up what was discovered in the trap. 

and SS
hit the jackpot
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.940
Although Kermit says post 940 for SS, I think meant 942: John Silvetti


Now think it through.
Who was suppose to show up and help?
Who got Tim off the boat and when or why?
??

Reply #882 on: Today at 04:56:40 PM »
yes,johan555 we know.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.880
on a thai forum :
Joran can only  have a big mouth umong his Aruban people. Not among, Thaipeople
Now he is a hunted deer. And not by one man

so i think he is still in Thailand  jmo

Reply #720 on: Today at 09:41:10 AM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.720
SS - follow the money
I've had some time to settle my brains, and a number of things are coming up for me.  Last night, someone mentioned oil exploration.  I think this is one purpose  of Silvetti's business.  This could be a wild thought, but is it possible that an agreement was made with Arube to scan and grid for future offshore drilling sites while searching for Natalee at the same time?  It's interesting that Persstence did stay and complete the grids even after ALE took the trap contents.  Persistence was there for at least another month after ALE divers took the evidence.  Did some people make some money off of this oil exploration deal?  Aruba has a surface grid of the ocean off their coast, TES found the evidence they wanted, and Silvetti (et. al.) could have made a lot of money creating the grid map of the ocean floor.  Just a thought.


 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #700 on: Today at 08:04:45 AM »
BINGO
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.700
There must have been another set of pictures showing evidence retrieved from the cage.  PI mentioned "zip lock bags".  There must have been pictures involving zip lock bags with contents.
    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #548 on: November 15, 2008, 08:55:58 PM
How much is a pawn worth? I muse tonight.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540
Side note:
We were discussing Ocean Explorer (Kyle). Many of us now think he was "duped" and kept "out of the loop". I remember tamiko's mom commenting at the time that she thought OE was lying to us about the "pond search." ........ At the time, I told her he just wasn't in on all the details --- now, I'm am really convinced he was an unknowing pawn. I am suspicious of Persistence management. Nothing is making any rational sense. Part of Natalee WAS in that trap -- I have always thought this!
    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #551 on: November 15, 2008, 08:57:38 PM
Bingo Mum. Leaks like a sieve for a price or purpose?
i/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540
C has to be Clyde, but what of the other two?

I'm trying to look, but.......

 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #524 on: November 15, 2008, 08:26:35 PM »
Which dive - would you know?
//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.520
I don't understand any of this but it was Tim Trahan, an American, who went down with the Aruban divers and came back up and told Tim Miller there was nothing.
    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #528 on: November 15, 2008, 08:31:23 PM
affirmative.
//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.520
Kermit said he would "sneak in like 007" if we were getting warm! (Kermit doesn't want to be "outted")


    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #442 on: November 15, 2008, 07:21:16 PM »
Not asking for any identifying details -- but what is Kermit's "profession"?? (I have a pretty good idea)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440
ribbit
Not asking for any identifying details -- but what is Kermit's "profession"?? (I have a pretty good idea)
    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #449 on: November 15, 2008, 07:23:15 PM »
Helen Beck - BINGO!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440
Quote from PI's post:

Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.

Sounds to me like the material recovered was switched and the photos were also switched

 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #419 on: November 15, 2008, 06:55:38 PM »
If I remember correctly, FBI sent them to Dave.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.400

??
    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #389 on: November 15, 2008, 06:39:52 PM »
I love that song for 'The Apprentice' - the melody, the words are so
shall I say the evil that drives some men.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.380
The Persistence left VERY abruptly -- Red stated that he was flabbergasted by the news. Folks, is the Persistence owner (Silvetti) the questionable one here?

   

Reply #793 on: Today at 11:30:04 AM »
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.780
Helen Beck is correct

This is what Helen said:

If we are going to talk about this today, let's review what Kermit said. 

We reviewed PI's post and it's clear from his conversation with Kyle that what is show in the pictures is not what was sent to the FBI.  It seems someone switched the fabric and whatever genetic material was discovered.  There appears to be a skull and a shoe in the photographs we saw.  Kermit is telling us to look at the divers, obviously they covered up what was discovered in the trap.   


and SS
hit the jackpot
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.940

Posted the two pics with John Silvetti

Now think it through.
Who was suppose to show up and help?
Who got Tim off the boat and when or why?


Reply #882 on: Today at 04:56:40 PM »
yes,johan555 we know.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.880

johan555 said:
on a thai forum :
Joran can only  have a big mouth umong his Aruban people. Not among, Thaipeople
Now he is a hunted deer. And not by one man

so i think he is still in Thailand  jmo



Reply #720 on: Today at 09:41:10 AM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.720
SS - follow the money

SS said:
I've had some time to settle my brains, and a number of things are coming up for me.  Last night, someone mentioned oil exploration.  I think this is one purpose  of Silvetti's business.  This could be a wild thought, but is it possible that an agreement was made with Arube to scan and grid for future offshore drilling sites while searching for Natalee at the same time?  It's interesting that Persstence did stay and complete the grids even after ALE took the trap contents.  Persistence was there for at least another month after ALE divers took the evidence.  Did some people make some money off of this oil exploration deal?  Aruba has a surface grid of the ocean off their coast, TES found the evidence they wanted, and Silvetti (et. al.) could have made a lot of money creating the grid map of the ocean floor.  Just a thought.


 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #700 on: Today at 08:04:45 AM »
BINGO
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.700

Buckeye said:
There must have been another set of pictures showing evidence retrieved from the cage.  PI mentioned "zip lock bags".  There must have been pictures involving zip lock bags with contents.   
    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #548 on: November 15, 2008, 08:55:58 PM
How much is a pawn worth? I muse tonight.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540

Wreck said:
Side note:
We were discussing Ocean Explorer (Kyle). Many of us now think he was "duped" and kept "out of the loop". I remember tamiko's mom commenting at the time that she thought OE was lying to us about the "pond search." ........ At the time, I told her he just wasn't in on all the details --- now, I'm am really convinced he was an unknowing pawn. I am suspicious of Persistence management. Nothing is making any rational sense. Part of Natalee WAS in that trap -- I have always thought this!
    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #551 on: November 15, 2008, 08:57:38 PM
Bingo Mum. Leaks like a sieve for a price or purpose?
i/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540

Mum said:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: MumInOhio on November 15, 2008, 08:53:44 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 08:47:44 PM
Who was Simian's uncle that was a polis officer?
Rudolph Solinger?



Rufo...Simian was Monkey!!!!



C has to be Clyde, but what of the other two?

I'm trying to look, but...............


 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #524 on: November 15, 2008, 08:26:35 PM »
Which dive - would you know?
//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.520

vms said:

I don't understand any of this but it was Tim Trahan, an American, who went down with the Aruban divers and came back up and told Tim Miller there was nothing.  

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #528 on: November 15, 2008, 08:31:23 PM
affirmative.
//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.520

Wreck said:
Kermit said he would "sneak in like 007" if we were getting warm! (Kermit doesn't want to be "outted")
    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #442 on: November 15, 2008, 07:21:16 PM »
Wreck said:
Not asking for any identifying details -- but what is Kermit's "profession"?? (I have a pretty good idea)http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440
ribbit



    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #449 on: November 15, 2008, 07:23:15 PM »
Helen Beck - BINGO!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440
Helen said:

Sounds to me like the material recovered was switched and the photos were also switched.


 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #419 on: November 15, 2008, 06:55:38 PM »
If I remember correctly, FBI sent them to Dave.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.400

Klaas said:
Get this straight, I have no idea who actually gave those photos to Robin.  All I know is that Robin gave permission for the photos to be posted at BNH and someone emailed them to me.

Who really sent them to Robin I couldn't tell you and NO, I will not take Robin's word for it.

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #389 on: November 15, 2008, 06:39:52 PM »
I love that song for 'The Apprentice' - the melody, the words are so
shall I say the evil that drives some men.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.380
Wreck said:
The Persistence left VERY abruptly -- Red stated that he was flabbergasted by the news. Folks, is the Persistence owner (Silvetti) the questionable one here?
   

Well I know that long, long ago somebody did post about a very swampy area, quicksand like area that could have been utlilized by the beasts, & at that time it was so frustrating as it was known to be an area that had not been searched but IIRC it was more southeast, but that may not be correct.  Anyway when Clw described similiar conditions to the Monserat Pond with water in it & the warnings received as a youngster it brought that flashback, I have thought of it often as I believe somehow the area described did have piping somewhere around it & guess water supply came to mind.

I went back and posted all the posts that Kermit cited in Red.  Congratulations to all the winners, GREAT WORK Monkeys!.... and us losers will just have to work harder!

 ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyHaHa:: billb!

Thank you billb and texasmom - I was doing the same thing.

Kermit - thank you for hopping back in here with the links.  I see you are catching all the flys.

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:OjLrLNCqPnQ-0M:http://k43.pbase.com/o4/39/671739/1/61919955.CFPystOL.frogandfly.jpg)

Now if only I was smart enough to figure it all out....I only cut and pasted what Kermit provided. I'm so in awe of all the monkeys, past and present (I miss Robots).
I admit I'm concerned that a political event with big dollar implications/greed may prevent Natalee from the justice she (and any human being) justly deserve.  I sincerely hope Beth/Dave/family/Monkeys and everyone else that find this unacceptable, find closure in their hearts...if nothing else, Karma will get those involved in this heinous injustice!
I stand with the girl....

Thank you billb and texasmom - I was doing the same thing.

Kermit - thank you for hopping back in here with the links.  I see you are catching all the flys.

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:OjLrLNCqPnQ-0M:http://k43.pbase.com/o4/39/671739/1/61919955.CFPystOL.frogandfly.jpg)

I went back and posted all the posts that Kermit cited in Red.  Congratulations to all the winners, GREAT WORK Monkeys!.... and us losers will just have to work harder!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Kermit's Follow up questions:

Now think it through.
Who was suppose to show up and help?
Who got Tim off the boat and when or why?

Most of us knew that 'quick, get to the pond' was a ruse. We discussed it in depth at the time. We were also very leery of the Dutch Coast Guard visit and the divers and anyone else that was tied to that stinking, crack infested Island being any where near that boat. None of this should come as a surprise to anyone.

Bump...

Morning all,

Seems we didn't do as badly as I thought we did. LOL

MUM,  I think Kermit is telling you that you hit the monkey and monkey's uncle.

Clyde is a monkey (Simian) and his uncle is Rufo?  I'm looking at Kermit's post in red:

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #551 on: November 15, 2008, 08:57:38 PM
Bingo Mum. Leaks like a sieve for a price or purpose?
i/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540

Mum said:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: MumInOhio on November 15, 2008, 08:53:44 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 08:47:44 PM
Who was Simian's uncle that was a polis officer?
Rudolph Solinger?



Rufo...Simian was Monkey!!!!


I think we all got sidetracked on the monkey being SM. ::MonkeyWink::

I cannot remember who was supposed to help Tim ...........and did not. Maybe another monkey will remember.  Was it Jossy?

We all thought it was fishy when we saw Tim Trahan give the thumbs down on the video, after having seen the photos.  Guess that one's answered.

I'm out for a while this morning, but will check in ASAP.

Helen Back

My one brain cell is totaly confused on what was dicovered last night! Can some-one please give me a summary regarding Kyle, John S, Siverfox and anything ls that was relevant?

Thanks in Advance...

Wanted to say that I knew about Rutgers, but nothing further after the baby was born...guess it doesn't matter..

Hey everyone. Not so many pages of posts but there are certainly some very relevant and interesting posts, with potential significance. I wish I could stay at the computer but unfortunately, time won't permit this week.

Klaas, I would think that Bram's evaluation of the case for Beth might include a review of liability the entities you mentioned might bear.

Janet- Very timely post and an excellent choice showing the foreshadowing of Jesus and then the reasons that we believers believe. I noticed though that in the foreshadowing, "the one" is going to be allowed to see their offspring, which reminds me of the debate whether Jesus had any children, and I assume Mary Magdalene would be the mother. I am really not that familiar with that theory, but am aware of it, and that mention is the first time I have noticed any writing that even suggests that if Jesus is the person mentioned in the prophecy, then it would not be against ALL of the teachings of the Bible for him to have had children. Anyway, it is good to read relevant scriptures in a timely fashion to reinforce the reason for the holiday. AND IT IS REALLY NOT OFF TOPIC BECAUSE IT MAKES DAVE AND BETH'S HEART A LITTLE LIGHTER TO REMIND THEM THAT INDEED LIFE IS EVERLASTING FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND ACCEPT, AND THEIR WORRIES A LITTLE LESS TO KNOW THAT NATALEE IS WITH A GOD WHO KNOWS THE PAIN OF WATCHING A CHILD SUFFER AND THUS GIVES THEM FAITH TO ALLOW AND TRUST HIM TO HEAL THERE PAIN. In addition, Easter is a holiday that Beth and her kids usually celebrated with Beth's Mom, so this is a joyous occasion as they celebrate the fact that Christ arose from the dead but also a very reflective time for Mrs. Reynolds as the silence of Natalee's disappearance can be deafening for the living she left behind. This holiday thus reinforces the belief that there is life after this life, and that while they may miss Natalee, she is where everybody hopes to be one day. It will be a good time to watch the tapes of all of the grandchildren parading around in their Easter clothes, enjoying each other and their family, and even hunting Easter Eggs:)

Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.

The grindstone is calling so everybody have a great day and Holiday weekend. Happy Easter:)

Private Eye,

Please email me to discuss this further, not in the forum thanks!

I don't think I said anything about the type of fabric sampled from the trap in the forum.  I'm not sure where this came from.  In any case, PE please email me to discuss. 

would a moderator please send Private Eye my email address?  Thanks in advance.

Silvetti was ID'd as one of the men in Kermit's pic regarding the dive.  The dates of the dives were questioned, and subsequently Kyle's posts here & his posts on the Persistence search website were scrutinized.  He said he was on a break from 1/9 to 1/14, saw activity from shore on 1/11 & 1/12, yet posted on the ship site that he was onboard.  Silverfox came up due to something I found while searching.  Kyle's vid from the website was put on YouTube and a comment by silverfox04 peaked my attention because it stated he was aboard that day.  See here:  http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=mR5hUZqvFFA

Kyle's Experience
Senior Geophysical Operations Manager
Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
(Oil & Energy industry)

October 2008 — Present (2 months)

Manager
Kingman Geophysical Solutions
(Oil & Energy industry)

May 2004 — October 2008 (4 years 6 months)

Kermit's Follow up questions:

Now think it through.
Who was suppose to show up and help?
Who got Tim off the boat and when or why?

Hi Blonde....I have been thinking AG as well.  All I recall of the Croes relationship was that it was distant...I think...??? ::MonkeyConfused::

Any idea how Cyde Burke fits in...Is it tied to many thinkng he was Simian?  TIA

Who is this?
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/pres1.jpg)
Who is this?
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/redshirt.jpg)

Thanks, Blonde, for clearing that up.

but Kermit is trying to tell us something here:

 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #524 on: November 15, 2008, 08:26:35 PM »
Which dive - would you know?
//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.520
I don't understand any of this but it was Tim Trahan, an American, who went down with the Aruban divers and came back up and told Tim Miller there was nothing.

Now I'm late.  Bye

Aruba Girl is a cousin to Steve Croes if that helps.

there must have been other dives ?

Jossy sends out a search crew that know where the crab trap is located and his crew made the first dive ?
and planted the one shoe.. ?

Get the real evidence and plant some new evidence..

Thanks, Blonde, for clearing that up.

but Kermit is trying to tell us something here:

 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #524 on: November 15, 2008, 08:26:35 PM »
Which dive - would you know?
//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.520
I don't understand any of this but it was Tim Trahan, an American, who went down with the Aruban divers and came back up and told Tim Miller there was nothing.

Now I'm late.  Bye

Questions, if anyone would answer:
(1) Are we to entertain the possibility of Jossy (or Arubans) to have dove the waters and planted a crab trap, which would later be found by the Persistence crew? Surely, nothing would surprise me at this juncture of the game...
(2) Has it been discovered who steered attention away from the ocean search and to the the pond area, as alluded to in the past few days cryptic message clues?
(3) Would ocean evidence cancel all theories as to Caps recent post of Matty appts, dismemberment, hiding of body in pieces around the island?
(4) Has Simian, Shango been 100% conclusively identified? If so, please see to it that their testicles are clamped in a vice and stuck with pins and needles for the thousands of hours spent to decipher and decode their riddles?

Comments, Observations by me:
(1) Jossy has been labeled "hero" to alot of posters. I still say (and borrowed from an old saying) that a dog does not shit where they eat. Meaning that as much as Jossy may dislike Sloot family and, in turn, help NH, SM, and collective causes, I am of the opinion that he realizes where his bread is buttered. His loyalty, in the end, is with Aruba, and its residents. He may be playing both sides of the fence. I hope everyone keeps this in the back of their minds.
(2) Caps, Kermit seem to be trusted as knowing an awful lot in this case. It matters none to me as long as it leads somewhere down the path of truth. I only hope (and assume) that they are as reliable as they are counted on to be by other posters.
(3) Everyone with coded information, in my opinion, should feel some obligation that they may know parts of the conspiracy to cover a crime and, even in secrecy, reveal the information to non-corrupt authority so as to lay this crime, its participants, its cover-up facilitators, etc.. to rest once and for all.

Magnolia...please don't take this wrong...LOL....but do you know this for sure?

Some have been round and round on whom both of them are related to that is all!

I read it in Shango yesterday....or I would not have remembered.
Post by Fingirl, I think.  PS: I don't take offence at much.

Questions, if anyone would answer:
(1) Are we to entertain the possibility of Jossy (or Arubans) to have dove the waters and planted a crab trap, which would later be found by the Persistence crew? Surely, nothing would surprise me at this juncture of the game...
(2) Has it been discovered who steered attention away from the ocean search and to the the pond area, as alluded to in the past few days cryptic message clues?
(3) Would ocean evidence cancel all theories as to Caps recent post of Matty appts, dismemberment, hiding of body in pieces around the island?
(4) Has Simian, Shango been 100% conclusively identified? If so, please see to it that their testicles are clamped in a vice and stuck with pins and needles for the thousands of hours spent to decipher and decode their riddles?

Comments, Observations by me:
(1) Jossy has been labeled "hero" to alot of posters. I still say (and borrowed from an old saying) that a dog does not shit where they eat. Meaning that as much as Jossy may dislike Sloot family and, in turn, help NH, SM, and collective causes, I am of the opinion that he realizes where his bread is buttered. His loyalty, in the end, is with Aruba, and its residents. He may be playing both sides of the fence. I hope everyone keeps this in the back of their minds.
(2) Caps, Kermit seem to be trusted as knowing an awful lot in this case. It matters none to me as long as it leads somewhere down the path of truth. I only hope (and assume) that they are as reliable as they are counted on to be by other posters.
(3) Everyone with coded information, in my opinion, should feel some obligation that they may know parts of the conspiracy to cover a crime and, even in secrecy, reveal the information to non-corrupt authority so as to lay this crime, its participants, its cover-up facilitators, etc.. to rest once and for all.

 ::MonkeyDance::


Why not throw Peter de Vries name in with all this...just for good Measure!!!

So good to see you here, Klass.  We are like a bunch of lost puppies over
here without you.  I know you are busy with Caylee, but we sure miss you here.

I don't know if this is the reason Tim left the boat, but in January, shortly after the Persistence search, Dave Holloway asked Tim Miller to head to Nicaragua to arrange for a meeting in search of Natalee.  Dave received phone and email messages indicating drug runners were paid to take Natalee's body and dump it at sea.  They claimed to have taken her remains to Nicaragua and buried them on a strip off the Atlantic coast.   More here.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/

Magnolia...please don't take this wrong...LOL....but do you know this for sure?

Some have been round and round on whom both of them are related to that is all!

Pita - I was just getting ready cut post this when I saw your post.  We are on the same wavelength.


Kermit – thank you so much for your help.  You’re so great.  So, we have John Silvetti and Clyde Burke. Hmmm


I have a nagging thought and I don’t know if it’s connected to anything or not.  It could be something or it could be nothing.  Does anyone have a link to the story Tim Miller/Dave Holloway told about the South American drug dealer who buried Natalee on a beach?  I can’t seem to find it anywhere.

If I recall, Tim or Dave told us that a man had come forward and claimed that he had been paid to dump Natalee’s body in the ocean on the way back to his country.  He was a drug dealer who was moving drugs by boat.  I think Tim said that he and Dave checked his story and even involved the Embassy in the guy’s country.  The drug dealer seemed legitimate, so Dave and Tim made plans to meet him on the beach where he supposedly had buried Natalee.  Tim and Dave traveled to meet the drug dealer on the beach, but he never showed up.  I recall that Tim mentioned something about this temporarily interrupting the Persistence search.  Is this where Tim was on January 7th when ALE took Natalee’s skull from the fish cage?  Was the drug dealer story a setup to get Tim and Dave away from the ship while ALE  divers cleaned the trap?

I did a lot of the genealogy research after Finbar's clue.  TM was also working on it.  I was able to get as far as Grandma and specifically into AGs immediate family, because she had posted the information on her website.  I was never able to verify the descendants of Grandma's other kids for several reasons.  Most genealogy sites don't give the names and data for living people.  Genealogy data for Aruba and the other Carribbean Islands really sucks.  A lot of the family trees from Aruba are actually listed in Dutch genealogy forums which makes it hard to follow.  I was never able to determine if AG, Armin, and Steve are all first cousins.  This information came from other posters who if I recall, were saying that the information had actually come from AG.  I believe a statement was made by AG that she was Steve's cousin, but the family was not close.

I think we did figure out that Armin's father is Rufo's brother.  Rufo's wife is the sister of Steve's father.  Technically, Armin and Steve are only related through marriage.  This could be wrong, but it's the best that we were able to come up with. 

Pita - I was just getting ready cut post this when I saw your post.  We are on the same wavelength.


Kermit – thank you so much for your help.  You’re so great.  So, we have John Silvetti and Clyde Burke. Hmmm


I have a nagging thought and I don’t know if it’s connected to anything or not.  It could be something or it could be nothing.  Does anyone have a link to the story Tim Miller/Dave Holloway told about the South American drug dealer who buried Natalee on a beach?  I can’t seem to find it anywhere.

If I recall, Tim or Dave told us that a man had come forward and claimed that he had been paid to dump Natalee’s body in the ocean on the way back to his country.  He was a drug dealer who was moving drugs by boat.  I think Tim said that he and Dave checked his story and even involved the Embassy in the guy’s country.  The drug dealer seemed legitimate, so Dave and Tim made plans to meet him on the beach where he supposedly had buried Natalee.  Tim and Dave traveled to meet the drug dealer on the beach, but he never showed up.  I recall that Tim mentioned something about this temporarily interrupting the Persistence search.  Is this where Tim was on January 7th when ALE took Natalee’s skull from the fish cage?  Was the drug dealer story a setup to get Tim and Dave away from the ship while ALE  divers cleaned the trap?

Don't count me in the bolded and red. I believe nothing without proof and backup. Color me stubborn.
All great points to ponder, Buckeye.

Can anyone figure out if Tim and Dave were in Nicaragua on January 7th?  That seems to be the date when the cage was cleaned.

vms just opened a window overlooking babylon

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

smooches!

I believe that the story about Dave and Tim going off to meet
the man was from the ABC special.  My mind can see the pictures.
It is probably in the transcript of that show.

Maybe the man was a way to get them off of the Persistence.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/

Tim went to Nicaragua.. Marco met up with Tim and the embassy fellow, who indicated to Tim that he thought Marco was telling the truth..
Marco did not want money, Tim said.. He also wanted to retrieve the body or evidence on his own.. Then he calls Tim with some bad news.. ??

Marco went off and never returned..


That part always bugged me.. Tim let it die.. ??
What ever happened to Marco ?

I spent some time checking out John Silvetti and ended up in a conspiracy theorist forum... ::MonkeyEek::  Found an interesting post there, which reminded me of Edward & Silverfox's posts regarding Venezuela, oil, etc.   I didn't spend the time verifying the info posted, especially since this computer needed a reboot!   Also want to add that there is at least one post following this one that resembles something that one would read elsewhere.  ::MonkeyWink::

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11/30/2007 7:59 PM Re: !!! Venezuela threatens to cut oil exports to U.S Quote

Ah, do a little research into the "company" that is paying 1 million dollars for the so called "search" for Natalee Holloway in the waters of Aruba near Venezuela.

The company is sinking like a rock in the stock markets and deperately needs an influx of cash. BULLSHIT they're NOT looking for Natalee Holloway...they're looking for OIL! If found in Aruban waters the U.S. company that finds it reaps the benefits and that company is in DIRE STRAITS.

The original boat promised for this venture has been replaced by the Persistance….a big drop down from the original vessel.

Who is paying for it? What are they really looking for?

The research vessel Persistence, owned by the Lafayette-based Silvetti Group...

1"ship" is a Tub..in comparision to what Peg Leg aka Louis had promised!!

the company normally performs surveys looking for oil rigs and downed helicopters..
the other 1/2 of their "Fleet" is a boat 27 foot long.. hehehe
some locals are kicking in some equipment.


How the mighty have fallen !!!

John Silvetti Berkshire Ln, Lafayette, LA 70508

John S. distributes APS Sonavision sonars in the Gulf ,APS LLC focuses specifically on the navigation and sonar needs of the oil and gas industry.

APS is the navigation, positioning and sonar services arm within the JD Silvetti Group of Companies. APS is responsible for most call out projects that do not require certifications, as well as non-certification specialized projects.

John Silvetti Contribution List in 2006

Silvetti, John Mr.
LAFAYETTE, LA

70598 Alternative Positioning Solutions/O $5,000 02/23/2006 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE - Republican
Silvetti, John Mr. LAFAYETTE, LA
70598 Alternative Positioning Solutions/ $500 06/22/2005 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE - Republican

wife.. And... SAFETY COORDINATOR: ROBERTA SILVETTI

he is a Managing Member of Society of Petroleum Engineers (SPE)

Q In your opinion does the change of ship mean that they are NOT going to search for oil, or, could they still search for oil with this boat.

A. why of course they can!! they got old Peg Leg along


Calipso Louis aka Peg leg Aka Louis Schaefer!

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So good to see you here, Klass.  We are like a bunch of lost puppies over
here without you.  I know you are busy with Caylee, but we sure miss you here.

November 17th, 2008 10:56 AM Eastern
The latest
by Greta Van Susteren


Next week, if things go as planned, you will see some information we have obtained in the Natalee Holloway investigation.  The information is in the form of audio and video tapes and other.  The information is either the answer to what happened to Natalee Holloway or a wild goose chase. You will make your own judgment.

I am hoping that the Aruban prosecutor will use his subpoena power to investigate further…and I am hoping to at least shed light on a very big problem that our own State Department admits is a giant problem in the Aruba area.

Once we obtained this information months ago, our job has been twofold: to disprove or prove.  A good investigator chases down every lead and then works to both prove and disprove that lead.

I will tell you this: the new information fits the time line.  I will also tell you that JIm Hammer went to Aruba for us and when he confronted Joran Van der Sloot’s father it was, to say the least, “awkward.” It was so weird that Paulus Van der Sloot ripped a paper out of Hammer’s hand (a transcript) and ran into his office.  Note also that until we got this information, the Kalpoe brothers’ Aruban lawyer would always return my phone calls.  Now he will not…

Many of you have asked me in recent months what is the latest in this investigation.  I can only tell you that we have not given up — and as proof of our stamina and determination,  we have used weekends to work on this case and time during the week when we could fit between our other responsibilities.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/11/17/the-latest-2/

I posted about this Saturday and it is true.  Silvetti was on the verge
of bankruptcy.  Remember the pictures of the big boat that we saw
when talk of the search first surfaced.  He had to sell that boat before
he ever took possession of it.(it had been ordered special built)  I think Nut or somebody had it as avi.   I think it was a risky thing to go into those stormy
waters in that Persistence.
Also, FWIW, at the site where you can track boats, there were never
any coasr guard cordinence posted for the Persistence during the whole trip.
It would just say that it was "in service"
I used to wonder where they were putting all the people that Kyle said
were on the boat.  Maximum Capicity was 12.
avi.  I searched the stock and it was down to like $1.17 at one point.

All The pop ups bug me.. lol
The fact that I can't go back and correct my spelling errors bugs me too..

All The pop ups bug me.. lol
The fact that I can't go back and correct my spelling errors bugs me too..

November 17th, 2008 10:56 AM Eastern
The latest
by Greta Van Susteren


Next week, if things go as planned, you will see some information we have obtained in the Natalee Holloway investigation.  The information is in the form of audio and video tapes and other.  The information is either the answer to what happened to Natalee Holloway or a wild goose chase. You will make your own judgment.

I am hoping that the Aruban prosecutor will use his subpoena power to investigate further…and I am hoping to at least shed light on a very big problem that our own State Department admits is a giant problem in the Aruba area.

Once we obtained this information months ago, our job has been twofold: to disprove or prove.  A good investigator chases down every lead and then works to both prove and disprove that lead.

I will tell you this: the new information fits the time line.  I will also tell you that JIm Hammer went to Aruba for us and when he confronted Joran Van der Sloot’s father it was, to say the least, “awkward.” It was so weird that Paulus Van der Sloot ripped a paper out of Hammer’s hand (a transcript) and ran into his office.  Note also that until we got this information, the Kalpoe brothers’ Aruban lawyer would always return my phone calls.  Now he will not…

Many of you have asked me in recent months what is the latest in this investigation.  I can only tell you that we have not given up — and as proof of our stamina and determination,  we have used weekends to work on this case and time during the week when we could fit between our other responsibilities.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/11/17/the-latest-2/

Thanks vms...Looking forward to seeing what she has.

By the Way ...
Jossy said HE was going to do his own water search before Persistence came..
If Luis was involved and THAT was the method of disposal...
Then..you can see why 1 shoe may be placed in the trap..
That way Joran falls and attention is diverted...

There is no huge island conspiracy wrapped around that thought.
Just brotherly love.

My to Mum, Seattle must be part of it !  Luke undercover getting Joran confessions to?

I posted this a while back, but, sure seems like a plausible scenario:

Aruba, if it were smart, would devise a plan to have some poeple (Joran, Deepak, Satish, and Paulus) take the fall for the murder and disposal of NH.

Aruba is good at making up stories and spreading them to the world. They have years of experience. The scenario would:

(a) prevent Joran from disgracing/insulting those who have helped him, (b) be an attempt to revitalize any potential tourism, (c) prevent Joran from getting in any further trouble, (d) keep Joran in his own backyard, (e) cost less money to support him, (e) close the case, internationally, at surface level.

Hans Mos could come back onto the scene saying that the new witness has further corroborated the Holland confession. They could twist it to say Joran killed NH accidentally, borrowed a friend's boat, and disposed of her at sea. DK and SK knew that she was dead, but decided to obstruct justice instead of rat a friend out. Kalpoes could get minimum jail time, and get credit for time served, leaving them free men. Daddy(Daury) could get probation for protecting his son, and (like the Kalpoes) obstructing justice. DirtyHand could stay hidden. Corruption could remain hidden. Aruba could say that forensics do not exist any longer, or even create the forensics. They have never shared evidence or produced it with anyone. They could just make up the story, the evidence, the results, and the outcome. Case closed. If anything, it would punish Joran for being such an asshole. Aruba could control the punishment, and the situation, at all times. Everyone would be at arms length.

Scary,but this is definitely possible...Much easier than exposing corruption, hidden players, deviant culture, etc...

November 17th, 2008 10:56 AM Eastern
The latest
by Greta Van Susteren


Next week, if things go as planned, you will see some information we have obtained in the Natalee Holloway investigation.  The information is in the form of audio and video tapes and other.  The information is either the answer to what happened to Natalee Holloway or a wild goose chase. You will make your own judgment.

I am hoping that the Aruban prosecutor will use his subpoena power to investigate further…and I am hoping to at least shed light on a very big problem that our own State Department admits is a giant problem in the Aruba area.

Once we obtained this information months ago, our job has been twofold: to disprove or prove.  A good investigator chases down every lead and then works to both prove and disprove that lead.

I will tell you this: the new information fits the time line.  I will also tell you that JIm Hammer went to Aruba for us and when he confronted Joran Van der Sloot’s father it was, to say the least, “awkward.” It was so weird that Paulus Van der Sloot ripped a paper out of Hammer’s hand (a transcript) and ran into his office.  Note also that until we got this information, the Kalpoe brothers’ Aruban lawyer would always return my phone calls.  Now he will not…

Many of you have asked me in recent months what is the latest in this investigation.  I can only tell you that we have not given up — and as proof of our stamina and determination,  we have used weekends to work on this case and time during the week when we could fit between our other responsibilities.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/11/17/the-latest-2/

This is from a Thai forum  not sure if it has been posted yet...

For the time being, the prosecution department of the Ministry of Justice in The Netherlands does not see any reasons to prosecute Joran van der Sloot after watching the program material about the undercover operation in Bangkok.

Joran did not commit any crimes according to Dutch laws, the Ministry said.

It remains to be seen if Thai police/prosecution will have enough material/evidence to prosecute Joran van der Sloot

A website in Holland called "Grenswetenschap.nl" or Borderscience/knowledge questions the undercover actions in Bangkok by crimereporter De Vries.
They publish that the pokerfriend of Joran, a young man from Holland called Arjan Wezel, heard about attractive girl stories by Joran (not about trafficking) via chatting and decided to contact crimereporter Peter R. de Vries.

Until that time Joran was not involved in any way with women/girl trafficking whatsoever.
De Vries set up a trap for Joran by suggesting to ask if Joran could arrange girls to be send to Holland.
Joran took the bite...and the rest of the story is known.

The suggestions for girl deliveries by De Vries are questionable according to "Grenswetenschap"/Borderscience since the idea for girl trafficking did not come from Joran van der Sloot himself.

littlelady :

(http://www.advocatie.nl/foto?475)

Mr. Peter Plasman

After viewing the images suggests lawyer Peter Plasman that Van der Sloot is punishable, both in Thailand and the Netherlands, according to him because he is clearly concerned with preparing for women trafficking.
Crucial is :Joran took the money. And said later :thanks for the money

Comment by Greta Van Susteren
November 17th, 2008 at 11:03 am
i spoke to the prosecutor and offered to show him what we have but he said he wants to see it but does not work weekends…how do you like THAT?

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/11/17/the-latest-2/comment-page-1/#comments

Hi Bastibro...Do you think that Luke was undercover?

Sort of got sidetracked on my research on him over the weekend.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

When it comes to Natalee's case they don't work at all!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

When it comes to Natalee's case they don't work at all!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Yeah, and they like to make their moves on our holidays.... ::MonkeyRoll::

San,  When Bastibro posted 'What is 'awkward' ?  I meant to post the Sweaty Running Man, but never did.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well i`ve noticed you being sidetracked on the trap discussion . .  ::MonkeyConfused::

Greta went to Seattle: 1> For information about Joran`s friend(she got from Beth who was informed by Peter de Vries)
                                   According to Peter he and Beth still have contact on a almost daily basis . .
                               2> To work out a plan with Luke

Any other suggestions on Greta`s reason`s to visit Seattle?

bastibro,

I would say tense, uneasy, uncomfortable.

What does it mean 'awkward' ? TIA ::MonkeyDance::

What does it mean 'awkward' ? TIA ::MonkeyDance::

messy ?  ::MonkeyWaa::

awkward

naar, lastig, onaangenaam, storend, hinderlijk, onplezierig, ongelegen, onverkwikkelijk, moeilijk, zwaar, ongemakkelijk, niet makkelijk, ernstig, kritiek, benauwd, zorgwekkend, zorgelijk, benard, hachelijk, penibel, onhandig, gebrekkig, onbeholpen, stuntelig, knullig, stumperig, schutterig, koppig, bokkig, pijnlijk, zeer doend, slungelig, onprettig, opgelaten, lastige, gênant

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

messy ?  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thanks Johan and vms. Everytime i think of this van der Sloot Paulus i get a kind of awkward feelin  ::MonkeyLaugh::

You got it now.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It means GUILTY!!!!!

That would be Anita  ::MonkeyHaHa::

and Paul ?

disagreeable,exacting,loutish,gawky,inconvenient,annoying,burdensome ? ::MonkeyHaHa::

That would be Anita  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I doubt if Greta will really have anything much the Monkeys do not already know  because of the help with all the dutch translators on here.
 Somewhere I must have missed Luke's name. I had it in my head the customs agent had a son David.

I doubt if Greta will really have anything much the Monkeys do not already know  because of the help with all the dutch translators on here.
 Somewhere I must have missed Luke's name. I had it in my head the customs agent had a son David.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ( and I bet she stinks too)  ::MonkeyWink::
 

Does anyone remember the guy on one of the social networks JvdS was connected to that had all the young girls as friends and lived in Thailand (???) I think. He had some kind of connection to JvdS and had a pic posted of the Holloway case one tv right by his bed. I can't find the links I had for him. I don't believe it was Mr. Pink was it?????

You are right about David. Luke Zimmerman was in the Thailand hotel room with Joran in the latest undercover tapes.
http://www.myspace.com/baseballmvp

Marten van den Berg
http://profiles.friendster.com/9468927

Marten van den Berg
http://profiles.friendster.com/9468927

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

When it comes to Natalee's case they don't work at all!!!

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TM !! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

(http://photos-p.friendster.com/photos/72/98/9468927/9920366562554m.jpg)


marten =doltish ::MonkeyWink::

I agree Mum unless something regarding the coverup needs work such as new witnesses etc.

Edward you have made reference to Luis a couple of times. IIRC his case began in 2005. Do you have anything on a connection between Luis and Natalee disappearance. TIA

It is one possible scenario based on various factors..  Timing and Need for.

Yes I do have reasons to believe it is possible.

Thanks vms...Looking forward to seeing what she has.

Marten van den Berg

 
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http://tinyurl.com/6xh7a3

Is this the same guy?
http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/173710026.html

The meeting was also attended by representatives of Nakheel led by Dr. Rula Sadik, Director of Design and Planning, in addition to Dr. Ahmad Khayyat, CEO of Emaar, and three members of the Executive Council including Walid Tabanji, Director of Policy and Strategy Department, Najeeb Al Ali, Head of Projects Development Unit, and Firas Barazi, Advisor at Cpecial Projects. HE Kees van Spronsen, Consul General of the Netherlands in Dubai and the Northern Emirates, Marten van den Berg, Director General of Foreign Economic Relations Department, and a number of top officials from NFIA, the Dutch Ministry of Economic Affairs and the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Trade, have also attended the meeting.

OMG ..That was a HUGE trap... It must weigh a thousand pounds.. !!
The boys NEVER handled that one on the night in question....

There is only a few spots this could happen on the Atlantic coastline of Nicaragua.

I had to theorize..
How did the body arrive ??  In a sealed container.. A oil drum.. No visual and no smell.
Shipped from Aruba in the middle of lots of oil drums.. on a pallet.

Where was the body loaded ? probably at the landfill Dave was kicked out of.
There was much resistance to that search from government officials who control the landfill.
Is This would be the shipping documents Paulus would seek ?
Who prepares such documents on Aruba ?
The refinery.. anyone missing from the refinery ?  Only Rene  ::MonkeyEek::

One thing leads to another...Always.
jmho



 So what ever happened to Marcos ?.... Nobody knows.. Or cares.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

When it comes to Natalee's case they don't work at all!!!

Joran in Bangkok  

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Joran-Thailandkopie.jpg)

Why does his head always look pasted on?????

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Yeah, and they like to make their moves on our holidays.... ::MonkeyRoll::
  

Mos and company probably spent the weekend trying to figure their way out of this one.  Once again, whatever Greta will reveal, will not be evidence under their system.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Mos and company probably spent the weekend trying to figure their way out of this one.  Once again, whatever Greta will reveal, will not be evidence under their system.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

He is thinking "Hmm..Good candidate for DD Productions...Wonder how much she is worth? Will she shake her ass for a couple hundred dollars?"

Why does his head always look pasted on?????

Greta went to Seattle: 1> For information about Joran`s friend(she got from Beth who was informed by Peter de Vries)
                                   According to Peter he and Beth still have contact on a almost daily basis . .
                               2> To work out a plan with Luke

Any other suggestions on Greta`s reason`s to visit Seattle?

Johan,

Is that Kirk with him? That's from March? Is that correct?

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Joran-Thailand6.jpg) (http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/7/Misdaad/article/detail/41930/2008/11/10/Joran-van-der-Sloot-spoorloos.dhtml)

Does anyone have handy the first pic of Joran in Thailand when he was walking through the market with another guy? Now I want to see if we recognize that guy...

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Joran-Thailand6kopie.jpg)

do you think this is also Dolph van Stapele Bastibro ?

Hmmm, on second glance, maybe not.

What does Joran's shirt say???  World Without......................?????

It looks like the same guy to me.  The only difference is that he needed a hair cut.

Pics were taken the same day, wearing the same clothes

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/vdSloot/joran_175405d.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Joran-Thailand6.jpg)

Pics were taken the same day, wearing the same clothes

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/vdSloot/joran_175405d.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Joran-Thailand6.jpg)

Gielen , Dolph van Stapele, Peter Ranzijn, Michel Drente en Suzanne Jansen.

That c*** Americans had even called for a boycott on tourism Aruba, while she was junkie .
Is she really gone? Or has she taken an overdose and they bring her body secretly by the yanks brought to the States?
Die kut Amerikanen hadden zelfs opgeroepen om een toeristische boycott op
Aruba, terwijl die griet gewoon een djunkie was/is.
Is ze wel echt verdwenen? Of heeft ze een overdosis genomen en is haar lijk
stiekem door de yanks naar de States gebracht?


http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.netherlands/browse_thread/thread/8fbd7c74d1b74746

Hi TM...I do not ever remember Caps posting anything bad about Jossy, do you?

Little intrigued here as to why Edward keeps referring to Jossy and Luis.

Still looking for those initials,as well...I didn't get a clue to them from Kermit's posts!

As we left the beach we drove across the main highway one block away onto another dirt road and there, from directly behind the huts, we could see the lights from the Racquet Club. This was on the same road where a gardener said he saw the three suspects shortly after 2 a.m. on the night Natalee disappeared.

On the next morning (December 19), I boarded The Persistence along with Louis Schaffer and Tim Miller and remained aboard for the next 24 hours as they continued to scan the ocean floor. The staff was impressive—capable, bright, and extremely motivated. They worked virtually through the entire night. Clearly this was going to be one quality search effort.

(snip)

We had several interesting discussions both on deck and in the relatively small galley. At one point, the boat-owner, Capt. John Silvetti (of the J.D. Silvetti Group), expressed his frustration about the lack of an exact description of the missing "crab cage" in which Natalee was likely enclosed. He'd been requesting one for several weeks, and Louis had expressed the identical frustration to me earlier.

...The search team commissioned the construction of a model cage and planned to drop it underwater to obtain as accurate a scan signature as possible to enable quicker identification of the actual cage.

Indeed, it's a relatively short walk going right past the nearby marina between the Holiday Inn and Marriott where the Gottenbos boat had been moored on May 30, 2005. (Gottenbos family members had been friends with the van der Sloots.)

Little did I know that my casual stroll along the white sand beach would soon help fill in the blanks for The Persistence crew about the exact nature of the fishing cage.

...Each small building consists of four individual units very small in size approximately 9 feet by 15 feet. As I approached the first of the three tiny Fisherman's Huts buildings, I soon learned that this was the one in which the 2005 break-in occurred. There a lone fisherman was cleaning out his fishing boat on the beach next to the first of the three Fisherman's Huts. ...

Rather quickly it emerged that he was The Fisherman who had discovered the break-in to the units on the morning of May 30, 2005. He related the following story.

He had been at this hut at 6 am that Monday morning May 30, 2005. Before long, he noticed that someone had broken into the first three of the four units in this particular group, from north to south, prying off the padlocks with something like a tire iron or a crowbar. He showed me the still-visible marks of the break-in on each unit. He described in detail the contents of each unit and the nature of the break-in.

Facing the first of the Fisherman's Huts from left to right (north to south): unit 1 contained a valuable stove, cooler and other equipment but nothing went missing; unit 2 had the lock pried off but was seemingly unopened because the door was stuck (and nothing was later reported missing); unit 3 also had its lock pried off with the only missing item being a brand new, large fishing knife (no rope was taken as had originally been reported, he said); finally unit 4 remained untouched. Clearly it seemed the perpetrator(s) had broken into the units in an orderly fashion until they found the specific item they were seeking—the knife. Indeed it struck the fisherman as odd that nothing else of value was taken.

(snip)

The Cage
The fisherman also noticed that a large fishing cage stored behind the first of the three Fisherman's Huts at the southern-most corner was missing. The cage had been there approximately a month since about Good Friday, March 25, 2005. The cage belonged to another fisherman who kept his boat next to these four huts. The boat was still there. But the cage was missing.

The fisherman described the cage as made of 3/8-inch iron (such as that used in concrete reinforcing—"rebar") with a frame size approximately 5 ½ feet by 4 feet by 17 inches. He described it as a large fishing cage with its frame wrapped in chicken wire with its familiar hexagonal openings but with an opening in one panel which allowed them to trap fish. He believed that, given its size and weight, it would take two men to manage the cage. Once aboard, it would lay low on the floor of the nearby fishing boat.

The day the cage went missing, the fisherman observed an iron stain in the grass on the south side of the huts. Only sometime the next day, Tuesday, May 31, did the fisherman learn of Natalee's disappearance. Slowly he began to consider possible connections between the case of the missing American girl and the missing knife and cage. His suspicions rose when a rumor made its way around the island that Natalee had been disposed of in a container. (In retrospect, the missing knife could be explained by the suspects' need to cut a larger flap in the cage in order to fit the body into it.)

Certainly rigor mortis would have set in at 24 hours and they would not have been able to manipulate the body into the cage at that point. And the knife and the fishing cage were stolen on the night of May 29-30, 2005, not on May 31.

From the boat they emailed a new copy of the model cage to the person constructing an actual model of the cage, and picked it up the following morning upon returning to shore. By December 21, the search team had an accurate model cage and was able to drop it into the water and obtain a sonar signature of the cage.

One afternoon as I stood at the Fisherman's Huts where the break-in occurred, a family in a small speedboat (approximately 14 feet) launched their craft into the water from right next to the huts. The family of two adults and four children easily made their way into the water, out 100 feet or more where you could see other bathers standing waist-deep in the water. One of the adults on the boat told me he had a larger, 20-foot craft which he often launched there. That simple observation confirmed for me that this key area was easily accessible for boats and the most convenient place to quickly and secretly load a dead girl's body into such a vessel. It seemed to be the first place along this section of the beach (north from the Holiday Inn) suitable for launching watercraft.

downloadingdaddy on January 19th, 2008 12:06 am
Update from the persistence;

Friday, January 18, 2008
XIII. Stay the Course

SPECIAL UPDATE: Fri 18-Jan 2335 hrs

We would like to specifically address one comment left on the blog which likely represents the sentiments of many.
“You guys have been out there for quite a long time now… I was really hoping for results by now. I can’t help but begin to think she won’t be found” -Overwhelming_Sadness

Quoting John Silvetti- Fri 18-Jan 2300 hrs
“It is easy to lose heart if one confuses expectations with hopes and desires. The nature of a marine search, especially one in which the method and disposition of the item you are searching for is unknown, requires a painstakingly slow and methodical disqualification process. The logic is no different than trying to find your car keys. The methodology is: you look where you were recently. We look where it is believed to be, based on evidence or reports. When you and I do not locate what we are looking for in the most logical place, we move on to the next logical place. Ultimately, we both confirm the old saying, “It is always in the last place you look”.
Unknown topography and terrain, combined with large seas have slowed us down but it has not stopped us. We have surveyed and investigated a large area, disqualified most of it, and moved on to an even larger area. At times our progress has been exceedingly fast and slow at other times. We do however, “STAY THE COURSE”….PERSISTENCE.

Our hopes and desires also were to find Natalee before Christmas so we could help bring closure to the Holloway family as our gift to them. Then, we could return home to our families to enjoy the holiday season and hug our children a little tighter… but, it was not meant to be that easy…and we understand.
–John Silvetti.”

trol Michael zegt:

Alles wat Peter R dus niet vertelde, en ons niet wilde laten zien

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John Silvetti said his company became involved in the search after he was contacted by Louis Schaefer...Schaefer had been approached by Texas Equusearch...

Schaefer asked Silvetti if he could provide the survey personnel and the geophysical equipment required for the search. After spending a weekend with Schaefer and Pam and Dave Holloway, Silvetti agreed.

“It ripped my heart out to hear them say that right now all they’re looking for is to have a funeral in Alabama,” Silvetti said. “What do you say to someone like that?”

Silvetti agreed to provide his equipment and primary survey vessel at well below cost, with Schaefer covering all out-of-pocket expenses. Silvetti said his staff volunteered its services for the project as well.

“They said ‘You don’t even have to pay me. I just want to help,’” Silvetti said. “That just tells me we’ve got the right people on board.”

Marc Broussard, project manager for the Silvetti Group, said the company normally performs surveys looking for oil rigs and downed helicopters. Now, it will be using its high-resolution SONAR equipment to look for a body.

To upgrade its systems for the terrain in Aruba, Broussard said the Silvetti Group looked to its vendors, two of which are based in New Iberia.

Seatronics, located at the Port of Iberia, agreed to donate some of its high-tech electronic equipment to scan the ocean floor.

“Nothing is being done to gain name recognition. This is to help these people,” Silvetti said. “Most of us have watched this on television, and I can only imagine the horror any parent would go through searching for their child in a foreign country.”

Bastibro - Greta most likely went to Seattle for lunch in the Space Needle.  I lived in Seattle for a time and the restaurant up there is really very good.

"awkward" - means he soiled his undergarments.

Gielen  
Function   Statutory director
Title description   Managing Director
Name   Renee Marie Louise Gielen
Address   Alexanderlaan 8
Curacao
Netherlands Antilles
Date of birth   November 21, 1949  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Place of birth   Eindhoven
Country of birth   The Netherlands
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Business address   Jan Haayenweg 2  next to the Lions club  ::MonkeyShocked::

Object categories of the business   Management Company(8612), Administrative/managerial office(8429), Organization and Coordination of Congresses, Seminars and Conventions(8495), Audio-visual productions(9565)

What does Joran's shirt say???  World Without......................?????

yes a whole network jerks   Bastibro

Selection of the next area, the “Extended Search Area”, was based on one single piece of information, a reported confession by one of the three suspects. This confession, as relayed to the survey team, has some credence. It involves the same type of disposal scenario, but better defines the search area. This information in combination with the weather patterns observed by the survey team since our arrival on December 15th left only one boundary to define. The team needed to observe the island from offshore on a small vessel at night to determine this boundary. Sounds easy….huh?

After 2 unsuccessful attempts using a local vessel due to fuel and mechanical problems, the decision was made to utilize the R/V Persistence’s Rescue Boat, the “Avon”. The Avon is a 16’ center console inflatable vessel powered by a 70 hp Tohatsu engine. Prior to dark, the Avon was launched from the Persistence and piloted to the Holiday Inn Pier by Captain Jim Graves. Later that evening, John Silvetti boarded the vessel with Capt. Graves, transited to the start point, and commenced an offshore run documenting the time and vessel position with a WAAS enabled hand-held GPS system. At one mile out, radio communications were confirmed with the Persistence. At six miles out, radio communications were again confirmed along with spot light identification as the Avon crossed astern of the Persistence. It was somewhere shortly after this point that Murphy boarded the Avon!

The weather was very similar to the recorded weather of late May, 2005. The seas were running 4-6’ with swells of 6-8’. It was rough for an Avon! Upon reaching the final destination point while documenting the final position, the engine sputtered and stalled. It never started again! Approximately 30 minutes of effort to restart the engine was fruitless. I believe that is when we noticed that we were taking on water! HELLO HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM!

As we watched Aruba disappear over the horizon, contemplating our broken engine, a vessel taking on water and the fact that we are about to enact the emergency contingencies of our procedures, Capt. Graves stated, “ I am sure glad that it is so dark!” I took the bait. Why? Because I believe we would be scared to death if we could see how big these waves are! Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 16 ..over! Silence. Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 16 ..over! Five minutes of silence. Back up frequency. Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 09 ..over! Five minutes of silence. VHF comms failure. Ya gotta love Murphy.

Thanks to the support of Coast Guard Curacao, Aruban Port Authority and some unbelievable cell phone coverage, the Persistence plucked us out of the water approximately 16 miles offshore Aruba. We had acquired a tremendous amount of information to determine the last boundary and learned a few lessons:

1) Never use your lower back to absorb the shock of pounding seas when you are fat and out of shape.
2) Never get fat and out of shape.
3) No matter how complete and thorough your safety procedures are, never count Murphy out!

-John Silvetti

No, I don't recall anything bad about Jossy.  

Anyways..

The video with Marcos in it clearly indicates the area of Bloomfields in Nicuragua.
This is where Marcos said he buried her along the beach.

Marcos was supposed to have a GPS device belonging to Tim on him..
He was supposed to leave the device where Natalee was buried.

After calling Tim on the phone, he said there has been a change in plans.. and that he had Natalee with him.. Which you know means somebody caught him and had a gun to his head..
He told Tim he was going to bring Natalee to Tim.. Like that was even possible.

And Marcos has never been seen or herd from again.. No idea what happened to the GPS unit.. No idea of what happened to Marcos...

Here is a picture of the area pointed to in the video..
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3203/3039521280_7f971457e8.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/3038683817_efcd43b3b9.jpg)

btw
I never said anything bad about Jossy.. I like him
He is my favorite Mobster Lobster..

I just think he loves his brother and has covered for him..
Joran supplied him with a girl.
He had company..


The early arubagirl post tells the story.. She posted it here and it was also posted at RWV

I have it saved, but I would have to find it..
I am not as good as Pita.. Who has one of the most organized minds I have ever come across.
 

Anyways..

The video with Marcos in it clearly indicates the area of Bloomfields in Nicuragua.
This is where Marcos said he buried her along the beach.

Marcos was supposed to have a GPS device belonging to Tim on him..
He was supposed to leave the device where Natalee was buried.

After calling Tim on the phone, he said there has been a change in plans.. and that he had Natalee with him.. Which you know means somebody caught him and had a gun to his head..
He told Tim he was going to bring Natalee to Tim.. Like that was even possible.

And Marcos has never been seen or herd from again.. No idea what happened to the GPS unit.. No idea of what happened to Marcos...

Here is a picture of the area pointed to in the video..
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3203/3039521280_7f971457e8.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/3038683817_efcd43b3b9.jpg)

btw
I never said anything bad about Jossy.. I like him
He is my favorite Mobster Lobster..

I just think he loves his brother and has covered for him..
Joran supplied him with a girl.
He had company..


The early arubagirl post tells the story.. She posted it here and it was also posted at RWV

I have it saved, but I would have to find it..
I am not as good as Pita.. Who has one of the most organized minds I have ever come across.
 

Thank you billb and texasmom - I was doing the same thing.

Kermit - thank you for hopping back in here with the links.  I see you are catching all the flys.

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:OjLrLNCqPnQ-0M:http://k43.pbase.com/o4/39/671739/1/61919955.CFPystOL.frogandfly.jpg)

You're welcome Sleuth!


Thanks Kermit!   ::MonkeyCool::

This is information that we all needed to know.  Thank you for helping us get to it.

P. S. You do know that my "WANTED" sign was made with love I hope! 

Morning Monkeys!
That frog snuck in like Santa Claus.  I was here alone.
I looked away and his post were here and he was not.  Amaing!
Then my computer went wonky and I just turned it off and went to bed.

Back to the Persistence....Kyle said that they were waiting for a dive
crew to fly in...maybe an FBI dive team.
Then I remember that he posted that the dive team had arrived.

BUCKSHOT....I believe the pond only came to light from Caps...Some-one please correct me if I am wrong.

Jan 29th...a post saying pumps were needed...posted yesterday.

Feb 8th?...posts from Caps about the witness on his porch...posted by SS yeserday

There is another post, which I am looking for by Caps that said we had the wrong pond...I believe that is when Caps put on the Monserat Avatar.

I believe Caps knew about the pond before he came here...I also do not think he just happened on SM after visiting his parents. JMO

That does NOT mean that his intentions are not good...

Kermit - do you know of any family relationships, like monkeys with uncles?

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http://tinyurl.com/6xh7a3

I do not know about ALE
With Drug runners involved you would have to suspect organized crime..

My question is this..

Tim..Where is that GPS device ?
Tim.. What ever happened with Marcos ? Has anyone ever herd from him since ?

Was Tim pulled away from the persistence ? Nope he is in the video..
Looking at the divers in the Huge Crab trap..
10 times larger then any one man.. Seeing the diver put the thumbs down.
Tim was standing there to see that part.. Were the items pulled from the trap at that time or a later time.. ?

If not Marcos no longer appears to be of this world..
That is the signature of organized crime...Silence
So I hope he is still alive..

In the world of organized crime.. The U.S. Government made accusation and conviction of 2 M.
Aruba made accusation and conviction of 1 M.
What was his name again..
Who is on first ?

caps has an uncle.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Questions, if anyone would answer:
(1) Are we to entertain the possibility of Jossy (or Arubans) to have dove the waters and planted a crab trap, which would later be found by the Persistence crew? Surely, nothing would surprise me at this juncture of the game...
(2) Has it been discovered who steered attention away from the ocean search and to the the pond area, as alluded to in the past few days cryptic message clues?
(3) Would ocean evidence cancel all theories as to Caps recent post of Matty appts, dismemberment, hiding of body in pieces around the island?
(4) Has Simian, Shango been 100% conclusively identified? If so, please see to it that their testicles are clamped in a vice and stuck with pins and needles for the thousands of hours spent to decipher and decode their riddles?

Comments, Observations by me:
(1) Jossy has been labeled "hero" to alot of posters. I still say (and borrowed from an old saying) that a dog does not shit where they eat. Meaning that as much as Jossy may dislike Sloot family and, in turn, help NH, SM, and collective causes, I am of the opinion that he realizes where his bread is buttered. His loyalty, in the end, is with Aruba, and its residents. He may be playing both sides of the fence. I hope everyone keeps this in the back of their minds.
(2) Caps, Kermit seem to be trusted as knowing an awful lot in this case. It matters none to me as long as it leads somewhere down the path of truth. I only hope (and assume) that they are as reliable as they are counted on to be by other posters.
(3) Everyone with coded information, in my opinion, should feel some obligation that they may know parts of the conspiracy to cover a crime and, even in secrecy, reveal the information to non-corrupt authority so as to lay this crime, its participants, its cover-up facilitators, etc.. to rest once and for all.

Remember when Red & the Monkeys were asked to help raise money so a smaller boat could go back to Aruba and continue the search.

It appears that John Sivetti Company owns a smaller boat
http://www.jdsilvetti.com/sms.html

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1562/jdavid2hf7.jpg)


jdsurveyor1 posted: John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2008, 10:31:12 PM »
other than what was shared with the authorities, is in our possesion.  No data has yet to be released, especially target data......locations.
blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.15

WHO RETRIEVED THE EVIDENCE?
oceanexploration posted: December 18, 2007, 01:38:22 PM »
 ] We must use all available press agencies to shed light onto the authorities involved.
 http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7907.405



oceanexploration
February 25, 2008, 01:20:33 PM
When the search is concluded and the investigation completed I will perhaps be able to comment in greater detail about targets.  For now, mum's the word.  Dateline should have followed the same protocol
/blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8381.0



oceanexploration
 first round of ROV dives between Dec 29th to about the 7th of January
blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8398.135

JQK said it would not be possible to recover the body at this time because of the manner of disposal.

 
private eye March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.440

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #486 on: April 08, 2008, 07:58:53 PM » 

With regard to the water search for Natalee, BFN had JDS, LegallyLex, and Dave in chat on Sunday night.

(snip)

JDS / LS and the searchers need a larger ROV.  The ROV that was initially used was about 10 hp.  What they need is something between 100 - 250 hp.  This would be roughly the size of a Yugo.

An ROV that size usually has a special ship.  The Dutch and US Navies are likely to have such a vessel in their fleet.  This kind of equipment is also used by oil companies as well.  If you have such equipment, now would be a good time to off their services.

John has been looking at a few things, but a larger ROV/ship is still needed.

The ROV that was used, checked out about one quarter (1/4) of the sites of interest.  The majority need further investigation.

(snip)

Kermie, please.......

From this old post -


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=8dfb39c6ade8fa2fc77641469079acd3&topic=2769.msg372224#msg372224 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=8dfb39c6ade8fa2fc77641469079acd3&topic=2769.msg372224#msg372224)

IIRC, a smaller ship because they would not need so many people, and it would need to be large enough for an ROV the size of a Yugo, that could go to greater depths, a specialty marine vessel.

The small vessel in the post above looks like it is powered with two outboard motors, would not have room for an ROV the size of a Yugo, and reminds me of the S.S. Minnow.  imho

 ::MonkeyWink::

The trap was cleaned by ALE on January 7th.  The film with the dive and Tim present was the end of January.  There were probably four dives.  Where was Tim on the 7th?  The day ALE cleaned the trap is not on video.  Was Tim in Nicaragua on the 7th?

crunch, crunch, crunch.
Thank you Miss SS
that was mighty nice of you.
I should share it with you, for the good investigative work you do.
Keep it up. You're right on.

caps has an uncle.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Edward, go back and re-look at the date of the dive where you see Tim Miller.
Now, do you see him at every dive?

oceanexploration posted: December 18, 2007, 01:38:22 PM »
 ] We must use all available press agencies to shed light onto the authorities involved.
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