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Title: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 09:20:12 AM
The Search for Natalee Holloway
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The purpose of this blog is to give an inside look into the search for Natalee Holloway, offshore Aruba, Dec-2007. All writings are from a geophysical engineer and marine geologist on board the search vessel R/V Persistence. All quotes are direct quotes. All information in this site is reviewed for content and accuracy. This site will be updated daily until the search is terminated.
Monday, November 26, 2007
I. Mobilization
The final and most elaborate search for Natalee Holloway has begun. This is likely the most complicated post-mortem search of its kind in history. This case has had many twists and turns during it's 2+ year history. This is one of the final chapters that will hopefully provide closure both to the Holloway family and to the watching world. I've described this search to reporters and friends as a search for a needle in a field of hay stacks while hovering hundreds of feet above the field. However, we have the best needle-detecting equipment and detectors on the planet. The attitude on board the boat is unanimous and unwavering. We know that if God wants her body found, the chances of success are perfect.
To put this all in perspective...
-We will be searching waters as deep as 6 times the height of the Statue of Liberty, or almost as high as the Empire State Building.
-The equipment is towed behind the boat near the seafloor almost 1-mile behind the boat, or over 16 football fields away.
-There are swift currents, rough seafloor topography, and unknown terrain.
-We are looking for a target the size of a shopping cart within the area of Manhattan.
The target is a ~1m x 1m fish/crab trap. A search of this size and complexity, utilizing some of the best equipment and personnel in the world would typically cost around $80K per day, or well over $1 Million. However, due to some deep-pocketed private benefactors and mass-charitable collaboration among multiple equipment lease and marine survey companies, this project is being conducted... without charge. Neither the US or Dutch government is paying for it. A lot must happen before the ocean search occurs.

The mobilization has gone smoothly so far. All equipment is on board the R/V Persistence. The equipment consists of the following:
-Side scan sonar (Edgetech FS4200)
-SeaEye ROV, or remotely operated vehicle
- Sonardyne USBL (Ultra-Short Base-Line) system providing acoustic tracking of the side scan sonar and ROV
-Navigation provided by WinFrog software
- The vessel positioning is provided by multiple Trimble GPS receivers giving us about 1m accuracy.
-Communications (Phone, data transmit, and Internet) are performed by an Agiosat Global Communications Marine Tracking System.

We will leave the dock at Midnight on 27-November, 2007 to perform a "wet-test" on all the gear. This test will take approximately 2 days, where we will calibrate and test all the equipment under real survey conditions. After all testing is complete, we will go back to the dock to drop off all survey personnel, and the R/V Persistence will begin its long journey to Aruba. The journey (approx. 1700 miles) will take around 10 days including fuel stops in Mexico and perhaps Grand Cayman.

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The search vessel R/V Persistence - owned and operated by the Silvetti Group
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EdgeTech 4200-FS digital Side Scan Sonar, sonar winch in the rear-center
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Survey room: from left to right- Side Scan acquisition computer, ROV monitor and controls, navigation computer
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Survey room: ROV and Navigation stations
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Survey Room - Processing station , sonar processing and analysis

Key Personnel: Bios coming soon! Please check back soon.

Louis Schaefer Jr. - Project Lead and Key Contributor

Tim Miller - Project Management -Founder of Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Providing the R/V Persistence for the search effort. http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager

Kent Bourg- Party Chief

Kyle Kingman - Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist

Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 5:47 PM


http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 09:29:26 AM
The Search for Natalee Holloway

The purpose of this blog is to give an inside look into the search for Natalee Holloway, offshore Aruba, Dec-2007. All writings are from a geophysical engineer and marine geologist on board the search vessel R/V Persistence. All quotes are direct quotes. All information in this site is reviewed for content and accuracy. This site will be updated daily until the search is terminated.
Friday, November 30, 2007
III. The Transit
What sets this project apart from others from the search and exploration perspective is how multi-faceted it is. The obvious sides are it's financial philanthropy and technological application, which is what is predominantly reported on (and rightfully so). The other side which isn't so obvious or easily stated on camera is it's emotional and even spiritual aspects. It is impossible to describe the variety and intensity of emotions and feelings each member of the team experience, even while we gear-up. I suppose the collective mood can be summed up as "heavy".

Dockside, the R/V Persistence also heavy, rests laden with fuel and supplies before it sets sail on it's approximate 1,700 mile journey to Aruba. It is midnight. The crew sleeps as I lay in the top bunk of the berth, awake. My mind stirs and torments me as I struggle to find rest, replaying the things of the day. Lists of to-dos and should-have-dones dance through my mind as incomplete bits of information collide. The din of thought is so loud I can almost hear it over the gentle distant hum of the Persistence's Diesel generator propagating through the steel hull. I know I am not alone in my insomnia tonight. Hours tick by while I wait to get up to catch the 6am out of New Orleans. I will head north to my home in New Jersey and the Persistence, south to Aruba. This will be the last posting on board until we reunite in the tarnished paradise about 9 days from now. Struggling to quiet my mind enough to grab a couple hours of sleep just makes me think more of how I am not sleeping. Frustrated by lulling in and out of a half-sleep, ready to abandon the attempt... my mind is suddenly stilled. So much was my mind silenced that it draws my full attention. I am listening. Almost as a whisper or a mist, the words of an old Longfellow poem come pouring into my mind in an image: "Come... wander with me she said, into regions yet untrod, and read with me what is still unread in the manuscripts of God".

It's clear to me that we are again being beckoned into regions of the unknown. We all have our hopes and expectations on what will happen and what we will find. All of us replay slightly differing scenarios through our minds as we lay awake tonight. There is one common thread however that permeates all of us. We know that God has us here for a purpose, and that purpose is being achieved and revealed to us one word of the manuscript at a time.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Transit.jpg)

Transit Route - Approx. 1700 miles, Louisiana to Mexico, to Grand Cayman Is., to Aruba



Posted by Kyle Kingman at 1:33 AM 7 comments 
Labels: Aruba, Natalee Holloway, Search for Natalee Holloway
Wednesday, November 28, 2007
II. Sea Trials - Gulf of Mexico, prior to Aruba
With the mobilization complete, the R/V Persistence and crew set out into the Gulf of Mexico to test all of the equipment to be used during the search for Natalee Holloway's remains. After arriving on site, about 12 hours transit south of Louisiana, we took a SVP (sound velocity profile) to measure the acoustic velocity of the local seawater. Accurate measurements of the sound velocity aid in acquiring accurate sonar data. SVP completed, the side scan sonar is gently lowered into the water with the large winch. A couple steady hands guide the towfish away from the ship's hull to avoid a catastrophic collision, damaging the precious transducers. We anxiously gathered around the primary sonar computer as the first data comes in. Hours of acquisition later, the towfish is dialed in and the data looks very good. The side scan sonar has sufficient resolution to do the work.
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The above image is a sample side scan sonar image to illustrate the type of imaging and resolution a high quality digital side scan sonar is capable of acquiring. A wreck (~150ft long 3-masted schooner) is laying upright on the seabed. The dark area to the left of the wreck is the acoustic shadow. A crab trap similar in size and character to the one we will be searching for thought to contain the remains is seen near the bow of the wreck, shown by the black arrow.

After the side scan sonar trials, the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team and acoustic positioning personnel moves in on location. We moved to a site with about 100ft water depth, adequate to test the acoustic positioning equipment with the ROV. We deployed and calibrated a compatt (computing and telemetry transponder) and then deployed the SeaEye Falcon 1266 ROV. Once in the water, the ROV was tested for telemetry and video functionality. The ROV performed flawlessly.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Falcon1266_ROVLarge3.jpg)
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Seaeye Falcon 1266 ROV (Remotely Operated Vehicle)



I took 3 screen shots of the Seaeye Falcon 1266 ROV in action from clip.


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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 10:02:51 AM
Saturday, December 29, 2007
IX. Dive Series - The Next Phase
Tues 01-Jan - 0032 hrs New Year's Day

"Come, wander with me she said into regions yet untrod. Read with me what is still unread in the manuscript of God." - Longfellow
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The words return to me as they did in Louisiana almost a month ago. The assembling swaths of sonar data reveal the seabed to us as if it were a scroll from a mighty manuscript written by a mighty hand. The numerous ROV dives are the Rosetta Stone for reading the great manuscript.

The seabed tells a different tale at every scale of observation. The submarine terrain appears tired, bent, and worn- a stark yet welcomed contrast to our jagged expectations. The seabed is deeply pitted, torn, and scarred. It cryptically cries out in past neglect, ruin, and abandon. Sparkling coral and happy creatures thrive in the shallows blissfully unaware of the decay of their heritage laying just out beyond the reef. The water deepens and color fades to grey where predators roam. Deeper still, the seabed appears lifeless and void. As the ROV touches down onto the deep seafloor, a benthic nephloid cloud erupts, engulfing the remote intruder. As the silt settles in the darkness, polycheate worms withdraw into their delicate burrows. Now under immense pressure, the ROV is in total solitude, stillness, and cold. There is no margin for failure in the ocean. The seafloor speaks of past failure, where grim reminders of the lost and broken abound. It is a relief to be back on board the Persistence in relative safety.

The Persistence is amid uncovering the final planned quadrant of the search area. Once completed and ROV ground-truthed, we will assemble the data and read from the last scroll in this mighty manuscript.

Mon 31-Dec - 1022hrs
The Persistence spent yesterday performing multiple dives with the ROV. The purpose of the dives is for collecting video of each sonar target. Typically, the sonar target is quickly identified and ruled out from the ROV video. The ROV operations lasted until dusk, where we resumed sonar survey operations through the night. Today, we are performing more ROV dives on targets of potential interest.

Sun 29-Dec- 2335 hrs

Dockside, the ROV team went into action this morning on board the Persistence. Before a test dive could be performed, all systems were checked and rechecked. Once the diagnostics were complete, the Persistence and crew went out to a test dive site known to be free of obstructions and major hazards to the ROV. The purpose of testing the ROV was two fold: 1) ensure all systems function perfectly underwater in full operation mode, and 2) prove the Persistence could hold location over the ROV, track the vehicle, and maneuver itself to keep the ROV umbilical cable out of the ship's screws.
During the first test dive, the deployment went smoothly. The ROV motored to the bow of the boat, while the captain kept the stern of the Persistence into the seas. The purpose of this maneuver was to keep the ROV umbilical out of the ship's screws. During this maneuver, the umbilical got temporarily hung up on the ship's hull, but freed itself. The visibility through the water column with the ROV cameras was excellent. When the ROV reached the seafloor we noticed it could not maintain control over it's attitude because of the very strong currents. On the second and third test dive more weight was added to better control the umbilical and ROV. At dusk, the final test was successful and proved we could maintain safe control over both the Persistence and ROV. With a sigh of relief from all, the Persistence and crew resumed survey mode. We will run additional sonar lines into the early morning.

Sat. 29-Dec-1100 hrs
From Tim Miller:

Please allow me to give my sincere appreciation for all the comments supporting our efforts in our search for Natalee. Today is an exciting day as we will now begin working the ROV in hopes of finding a special treasure at the bottom of the sea named Natalee.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/dolphins2.jpg)
Let us keep Natalee, Dave, and Beth in our hearts and prayers. Also, let's not forget all the other families of missing loved ones.

Texas Equusearch has been so very blessed with the support of Underwater Expeditions, the R/V Persistence (Silvetti Group), and their crew - which I think is the best in the world- for all their heartfelt efforts.

May it be His will to bring Natalee home.
-Tim Miller
Texas Equusearch
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 9:40 AM 61 comments 
Labels: Natalee Holloway Aruba, Natalee Holloway Blog, Natalie Holloway, Persistence, ROV dive series, Search for Natalee Holloway, Sonar Search
Wednesday, December 19, 2007
VIII. Side Scan Sonar search
 I took screen shots
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Video: The Search for Natalee Holloway - R/V Persistence Dec 26, 2007
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html
Update: Fri Dec-28 2143 hrs

The USBL calibrations are completed. The Persistence just reached the dock to spend the night and take on fresh water. The ROV test dive will proceed first thing in the morning. If successful, the first dive on a sonar target will follow. It will be difficult getting sleep tonight. Months of planning for some, years of planning for a few have all come down to the next couple days. Although unspoken, the stress is intense. We all seem to cope in our own ways. What stays on the surface is unwavering professionalism and focus. Inside, we all hope and pray tomorrow goes perfectly.

Fri Dec-28 1200 hrs

Last night, most of the crew and search team took a break and had dinner on the island. As much as we love the Persistence, it was a needed separation both of work and surroundings. For most of us, it was the first time off the Persistence in over a week.


Today, the trade winds are steady and strong. Wind surfers and parasails dot the beach as the Persistence completes the primary grid of sonar lines. To clarify, there is more planned grid remaining to be surveyed but the priority area is essentially complete. Within minutes, we will perform a calibration routine for the USBL acoustic tracking system. When successful, the ROV team will bring out the ROV and perform a test dive. The dive ensures the Persistence can maintain position over a fixed point (in 35+kt winds, 3-5ft swells, and strong cross currents) while the ROV safely navigates to a known point and can adequately maneuver in close proximity to the seafloor. For once, the pressure is off the sonar operators as they breath a major sigh of relief. All eyes will now turn toward the ROV pilot and boat captain as they perform this difficult dance among men and machine.

Thurs 26-Dec 1230 hrs
Murphy's Law always applies offshore. After acquiring data all day in sustained 35kt winds and strong cross currents, the night was going rather smooth. In about 450 ft of water and towing 20 ft off the bottom, the magnetometer started to tow differently. The operator (Kent) immediately recognized we had a snag. We brought in the towfish to find a mass of derelict fishing gear snagged on the acoustic beacon. The beacon was fastened to the tow cable above the magnetometer only by two small stainless steel hose clamps. Despite the massive strain on the beacon, it survived without any damage.
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Wed 26-Dec -0320 hrs
The sonar search is progressing smoothly and the end is within sight. The ROV team has flown into Aruba and will reunite with the Persistence tomorrow. Below is a 3-D perspective view (looking west) of the bathymetric portion of the search on the NW side of Aruba. The contour interval is 25ft, showing water depth ranging from about 60 ft to almost 900 ft. The search area with bathymetry shown below is 22 square miles (the size of Manhattan).

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/3d_Perspective_Bathy_Dec243.jpg)


Tues 25-Dec 1400 hrs

From Tim Miller (TES):
I want to personally thank the entire crew of the Persistence for their dedication and sacrifice they have given for the search for Natalee Holloway. Let us keep Dave, Beth, and all who knew and loved Natalee in our thoughts and prayers.
Every day I believe we are more and more optimistic that we will bring Natalee home to Alabama. We have just finished Christmas dinner on the boat and it's now time to go back to work -God be with us in our efforts.
Laura...I Love and miss you. Your death wasn't in vain.

Merry Christmas to All,
Tim Miller
Texas Equusearch

Tues 25-Dec 0140 hrs
To the family and loved ones of the search team and crew of the Persistence:
Words can not express our longing to be with our families over Christmas and the void we all feel. The contact we receive from loved ones through phone calls and emails does provide a diminutive sense of normalcy and solace. We take comfort in knowing life goes on back home in our absence and that this project will eventually come to an end, returning us safely to our families. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your continuous prayers, love, and support throughout this project. Loved ones are always on our minds which helps us maintain an unwavering focus and determination to complete this project with success, knowing that in success we shall return.

From the search team and crew of the Persistence to all:
Thank you dearly for your love, support, and prayers both for the search effort and the Holloway family. We hope that during this Christmas season you will stand witness and understand the true Christmas story which has been told and retold in varies forms throughout history. True love never fails and gracefully proves itself strong through sacrifice. We consider ourselves honored to use our God-given gifts and resources to this cause. From all of us, have a wonderful, safe, and merry Christmas.

The search is amidst perhaps the most difficult phase. The excitement and energy of the beginning has waned, yet the end is still on the horizon. We will persevere and give this wonderful vessel reason for it's namesake.

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R/V Persistence - 25-Dec- 1225 hrs Christmas Morning (photo by Tony Fontenot)



Mon 24-Dec- 1452 hrs
After reaching the dock at 0600 hrs, the Persistence rests as her crew perform some routine maintenance and make a supply run. There is no obvious outward adornment that it is Christmas Eve, save a single strand of colored lights hung around the galley ceiling. Inwardly, everyone is filled with the true Christmas spirit. Almost routine now, the gear is in the water scanning away. Inch by inch, mile by mile we are progressing nicely.

Mon 24-Dec- 0045 hrs
The side scan sonar and magnetometer search quietly continues on through the night. Rain begins to fall on the Persistence.

Sun 23-Dec- 1452 hrs
Agitated by stiff trade winds, white caps blur the boundary between sea and sky today. Below the daily skirmish over wind and water's supremacy of the horizon, the search quietly continues in the crushing Aruban depths. Yesterday, we devoted some time testing the magnetometer and side scan sonar sensors over local construction materials likely used in constructing a wire trap. This test provided valuable information, both confirming that the construction materials alone can be detected and what kind of signatures to expect from the materials when on the seabed. In light of the test, we have renewed focus and zeal on our goal, to find Natalee Holloway.

Sun. 23-Dec -0130 hrs
The seas are calm and the moon is brilliant on the last survey line of the night. Murphy's Law always applies offshore. Midway through the survey line, the boat suddenly veers off course to avoid a small ~16ft wooden fishing boat anchored near the line. We hold our breath and bring in the sonar and magnetometer as fast as the winches allow. On the telemetry screens, both sensors suddenly go crazy. We caught the anchor line of the fishing boat with the sonar and magnetometer. The Persistence immediately comes all-stop as we cautiously bring in the gear. Fortunately for us and the fishermen, our reaction time was swift. We didn't give the fishermen much of a ride and no one was hurt. After a careful inspection, we determined that miraculously none of the gear was even slightly damaged in the collision. After the encounter was over, we thanked the fishermen for their patience and the small wooden fishing boat and Persistence went their separate ways into the moonlit night.

Sat. 22-Dec - 2035 hrs
The seas calmed throughout the evening. The progress we're making is satisfying. Once again, we will work through the night. At night, the seas tend to be calmer and it's easier to focus on the work without being able to see the beach. The sunset was beautiful this evening. ROV pilot Brandon Hernandez hurried out to the back deck of the Persistence to take the photo for the blog. At the same instance he snapped the picture, a swell washed across the back deck, soaking him half way up his shins. Brandon, now the world will know you by this noble photographic cause.

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We came across another unknown wreck today, an approximately 50ft long catamaran. When a wreck is discovered or rediscovered, it is easy to get excited and often celebrate it's finding with a cheer. However, we must remind ourselves that all wrecks have stories and these stories are attached to lives and often lost lives. The ocean is terrific at keeping the especially solemn stories for itself. Only after great effort is the ocean willing to reveal it's deepest secrets.
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Sat. 22-Dec- 1110 hrs
The Persistence awakes after a few hour much-deserved nap. The crew diligently toss the lines and she's free of the dock. Leaving the port facility, the seas are calm and the trade winds are pleasant and tropical. The occasional cumulus cloud appear cartoon-like. One small cloud in the distance is dumping rain on a few unfortunate people. I can just imagine what they're thinking.. "why me". The rain has a tendency of seeking us all out. Today over the Persistence, the sun is shining bright.

"We've gridded a 22 sq. mile area with bathymetry and will cover it again with this sonar system and magnetometer... Yes. We will find her if she's out there." -John Silvetti (1102 hrs, 22-Dec).

The search area we already covered by bathymetry and began surveying with side scan and magnetometer is the size of Manhattan.

"I believe she's been out here for over the last two years but we didn't have the resources and technology to find her until now. We're blessed to have these resources. Now, hopefully we'll have a wonderful Christmas present for Dave and Beth". - Tim Miller (1108 hrs, 22-Dec).

Fri. 21-Dec - 0350 hrs
The sonar search is progressing forward very well, ranging in water depths from shallow to around 900 ft. The data quality is terrific. The seafloor morphology although complicated, is much more accommodating than expected. Once the sonar search is completed, the ROV dives will commence.

Thurs. 20-Dec - 1310 hrs
The search team deploy a Marine Magnetics SeaSpy 'Overhauser' magnetometer to aid in the search. The magnetometer will tow behind the boat approximately 20ft off bottom and detect iron-bearing debris or targets. The mag will be used in conjunction with the side scan sonar.

Thurs. 20-Dec -0430 hrs
The Persistence has completed the first day of the side scan sonar search. The search team is very optimistic about the probability of finding Natalee Holloway. The data quality is excellent and the conditions are sufficient to carry out the detailed search.

The first sonar line is generally the most stressful part of the survey. Since the sonar is towed, it is very easy to collide the towfish with an unknown wreck or obstruction. We chose a starting point free of charted obstructions or known wrecks. Once the crew was ready, the side scan sonar was deployed before we reached the search area to provide a long approach to the first line.
Murphy's Law always applies when working offshore. Minutes after deploying the towfish and without warning, an uncharted shipwreck suddenly appears on the sonar screen. Immediately recognizing the danger, I pull in cable as fast as I could to make the side scan climb high in the water column. It's a near-miss. We missed hitting the wreck by just a few feet. After the adrenaline died down, we came around for another pass to better image the wreck. The image below is a snap-shot of the second pass on the approximately 150ft-long unknown wooden wreck.

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To illustrate the quality of the sonar system, the following image is a side scan sonar image of an anchor and chain found during this search (Dec-21, 0130 hrs). Notice the links are clearly imaged.
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The Holloway family expressed their deepest appreciation to the search effort, TES, and to all who are behind the scenes praying and helping support this project.

If this project has touched your heart and you would like to help in future missing persons projects, please learn more about Texas EquuSearch. It is a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization with over 350 members. They are a highly professional, compassionate, and dedicated group of people who have a passion for finding lost persons.
http://www.texasequusearch.org/
TES and Tim Miller has been directly involved in over 800 investigations with around 260 persons returned to their families alive!
If you would like to make a donation to help find missing persons: http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 10:01 AM 111 comments 
Labels: Natalee Holloway, Natalee Holloway Aruba, Natalee Holloway Blog, Natalie Holloway, Search for Natalee Holloway, Sonar Search
Monday, December 17, 2007
VII. Beginning the Search
***SPECIAL NOTICE***
Tuesday, 18-Dec - 1500 hrs:
Aruba authorities and prosecutors close the Holloway case and investigation and said they do not have the evidence to charge anyone. Prosecutors said they will reopen the case "if new serious evidence were to be found." The statute of limitations is six years for involuntary manslaughter and 12 years for homicide, they said. Regardless, this announcement WILL NOT affect the search by the Persistence. This announcement comes the day before the search team will begin the side scan sonar survey of the newly-mapped area.

UPDATE: 18-Dec - 1510 hrs: The Persistence has begun the search. Bathymetric survey nearing completion.

Before the side scan sonar can be safely towed, the seafloor must be accurately characterised in terms of its topography. The R/V Persistence comes all-stop once it reached the survey area. A sound velocity profile (SVP) is performed to measure the speed of sound throughout the water column. Normally, performing a SVP in deep water is nothing exciting to write home about. However, without announcement and in unison the crew gathers on the back deck of the Persistence and takes a silent vigil as the sensor disappears into the depths. This SVP feels somehow different than the rest. We continue to watch as the instrument approaches bottom. Once it reaches bottom, it is slowly retrieved. Again, the crew awaits silently watching and waiting for the return of the instrument. Suddenly, out of the deep it takes shape and it breaks the surface. Although unspoken, I believe the crew felt this SVP to be somewhat symbolic of what lies ahead.

Line by line, the Persistence collects bathymetry data from within the search area as if conducting an interrogation. After a while, a picture slowly emerges. With a geologic history dating back to the Late Cretaceous, the seabed resembles an old living creature, full of character and tales. We know this creature will fight to hold onto its secrets. However, the very nature of the seabed merely fortifies our resolution and renews our vigor knowing that every crevice will soon be exposed in the light of a side scan sonar.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 5:14 PM 39 comments 
Labels: Aruba, Bathymetric Survey, Kyle Kingman, Natalee Holloway, Natalie Holloway, R/V Persistence, Search for Natalee Holloway
Sunday, December 16, 2007
VI. The Arrival
Friday, Nov-30, 2200 hours: The R/V Persistence departs the Port of New Iberia with seven crew members on board, headed to Isla Mujeres Mexico. The seas and wind are calm, and the visibility is excellent.

Tuesday, Dec-04- 1200 hrs: Dockside Isla Mujeras. The tropical waters are calm and the skies are clear. We take on 1,700 gallons of fuel and head out bound for Jamaica in 2-4ft swells.

Thursday, Dec-06 - 1900 hrs: Slowed down to clutch speed due to weather. We took shelter on the west-side (leeward) of Jamaica.

Tuesday, Dec-11 - 1100 hrs: Leaving Jamaica for Aruba. Tropical Storm Olga is quickly moving towards our location. We head out in 7-10ft seas to stay ahead of the coming storm. Wind E 15-20kts.
1900 hrs: The seas quickly build to 10-12 ft swells. We alter our course to avoid heaving rolling due to running in side-seas. Winds NE 20-25kts.

Wed, Dec 12 - 0900 hrs: Seas 8-10ft, in a moderate squall with heavy rain. Wind NE 30-35kts.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/HighSeasLarge9.jpg)
Thurs, Dec 13 - 1900 hrs: Seas building at 10-12ft with E wind 25-30kts. Rain is often heavy.

Friday, Dec-14th - 0600 hrs: Seas 12-14 ft with E wind 25-30kts. 121 miles to Aruba

Saturday, Dec-15 - 1615 hrs: ARRIVED at Aruba pilot station. Port Authorities board and the Persistence is cleared for docking.

Sunday, Dec-16 - 1100 hrs: Taking on fresh water. Crew change.



 
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 12:13 PM 27 comments 
Labels: Aruba, Natalee Holloway, Persistence, R/V Persistence, Search for Natalee Holloway
Friday, December 7, 2007
V. Behind the Effort
Behind the search effort is a team of individuals with a single unified focus and purpose: Find Natalee Holloway.
Perhaps the most common question we receive is "How is this search being supported?"

The answer: The collaboration of a lot of people and numerous companies with the financial support of Louis Schaefer Jr.

The major contributors are as follows (in no particular order):


Tim Miller with Texas EquuSearch
http://www.texasequusearch.org/



Louis Schaefer Jr. and Tim Trahan
http://www.underwaterexpeditions.com/
http://www.silvettigroup.com/

http://www.seatronics-group.com/index.htm


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 10:51:20 AM
Friday, February 29, 2008
XVIII. Sonar Search Complete
Update: Mon 03-March 1345 hrs
With the sonar search completed, the RV Persistence sets sail heading to its home port in Louisiana. With mixed emotions, the search team returns home. When we arrived in Aruba in mid-December we were mentally prepared to return home either having found Natalee, or after having exhausted all possibilities in the quest to find her. It is difficult going home with many questions left unanswered and so many sonar targets remaining to be explored. Our comfort lies in knowledge that we have done the best job we could, that we can return to dive on the remaining targets when funded, and that answers may come in time. We feel that the search is not over but rather entering a new phase. We are thankful for the outpouring of generosity, love, support, and prayers throughout the entire search effort.

Sat 01-March 0915 hrs
Since the 16th of December, off the west coast of Aruba the search team on board the RV Persistence has been combing the sea floor of an area 80% the size of Aruba. The Herculean side scan sonar search is complete. With a complete picture of entire search area's seabed, a final ROV dive target list will be constructed. This list is expected to well-exceed 100 targets. The timing and extent of the remaining ROV dive operations depends on weather, logistics, and funding.
The team is weary, yet filled with a sense of accomplishment. The team has performed very well even under the intense pressure, difficult terrain, rough seas, and often grueling pace.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 10:22 PM 28 comments 
Labels: Natalee Holloway, Sonar search complete
Friday, February 8, 2008
XVII. Support the Effort
Update: Wed 27-Feb 1245 hrs
Over the past several days, the Persistence has been working with the help of the Aruban police in shallow water. The Police safely escorted boaters out of the area allowing the Persistence to work and maneuver freely.
Fri 22-Feb 1300 hrs
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The Persistence is working in shallow waters today. Working in shallow waters is in one sense a relief compared to the deep water areas. The shallower water is protected by the island both in terms of wind and currents. As a result, the area is serene and beautiful. On the other hand, the shallow water area contains its own set of hazards. Closer to shore, passing boats, coral, and underwater obstructions increase the risk of damaging equipment.

Sun 17-Feb 1700 hrs
The decision to not immediately re-arrest Joran van der Sloot has not affected the resolve of the search team. Despite the poor weather, survey operations continue.

Fri 15-Feb 1100 hrs
Over the past few days, progress in the deep water areas has been hampered by 14ft seas and 30kt+ wind. The conditions are simply too rough to work safely. Today, the Persistence headed out to the survey area, completed a single line, and headed back to the dock after getting pounded in the rough conditions.

Special Notice:
The dedicated ocean search for Natalee Holloway has been underway since mid-November, 2007. What began in Louisiana during mobilization now culminating in Aruba, the search has utilized some of the best search equipment and personnel in the world. To date, approximately 900 miles of sonar data has been collected covering a geographic area 80% the size of Aruba. The search has required a painstakingly slow approach which in the end leaves no stone unturned.

Although slow, this approach is extremely effective in marine search and recovery. Since the beginning, the search has been privately funded by Louis Schaefer Jr. of Underwater Expeditions who remarkably and gracefully accepted the financial burden when requested by Texas Equusearch and Natalee's parents. John Silvetti of Marine Surveys, Greg Landry of Offshore Innovative Solutions, Erik McGuire of Seatronics, along with Agiosat and Wilkens Weather Service came beside Louis to conduct this humanitarian effort. To put this search effort in financial perspective, an equivalent search conducted for industry would involve costs well exceeding several million dollars. This project has been conducted for about 35 cents on the dollar, with costs still exceeding a million dollars.

Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out: http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email: donate@texasequusearch.org
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 4:44 PM 46 comments 
Labels: Make a donation, Natalee Holloway Search
Friday, February 1, 2008
XVI. Recent Development
Update: Fri 08-Feb 1625 hrs
The weather over the past few days has been steadily prohibitive to work. Each day, the Persistence has left the dock, headed offshore, and gotten pounded by 40kt winds and 10-14ft seas. The rough weather has taken a toll on both the equipment and the crew. The towfish was damaged twice during recovery, each time taking half a day or more to repair. While the poor weather persists, the Persistence will undergo some needed maintenance. Today we are working on the winch and air conditioning. Hopefully tomorrow will be calmer.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/2-8-2008--roughseas.jpg)
Tues 05-Feb 0940 hrs
Over the past couple nights, the world tuned in along with the search team and watched the mottled confessions of Joran van der Sloot. The confessions filled the search team with resolve, renewing our assurance that if Natalee Holloway can be found in the ocean we will find her.
Yesterday (Tues, 04-Feb), the Persistence was in the deepest portion of the survey area battling 12-14ft with occasional 16ft seas with 35kt winds. The weather built rapidly, spawning a squall and water spout.
Today, we returned to deep water encountering 40kt+ winds and heavier seas than yesterday. A simple task such as taking a shower or walking down a corridor takes gymnastic talent. These seas are too rough to safely work in, let alone function inside the boat. On account of the conditions, we moved to shallow quiescent waters and resumed the search.

Fri 01-Feb 1815 hrs
The Persistence search team and crew are very excited about the recent developments announced yesterday, Thursday January 31st. We are currently acquiring data and have not stopped or changed our search methods in response to the announcement. We too wait with anticipation and hope the outcome is both positive and accurate for the remainder of the ongoing investigation.

Our hearts and prayers are with the Holloway and Twitty families.

Press Release:
From The (Aruba) Public Prosecutor’s Office
Date: January 31, 2007

New evidence in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway-
The Office of the Public Prosecutor of Aruba has intensified its investigation of the case of Natalee Holloway due to recently received information. This information may shed a new light on the mode of which Natalee Holloway has died and the method by which her body disappeared.

The Public Prosecutor has lately received this information from the Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries. This information may help considerably in the solution of the mystery of Natalee’s disappearance.

In cooperation with the Aruban Police Corps, the Office is currently investigating the reliability and value of this new information. It will be evaluated in relation to the results of the preceding profound research activities. The Aruban Police Corps has continued the investigation of the case despite the formal discontinuation of the prosecution of the suspects of the day, in December 2007. Commissioned investigators are currently charged with further inquiries.

In the interest of the ongoing investigation no further information will be circulated.
Nota bene: the Office of Public Prosecutor will not give any interviews about the matter at hand at this moment, not by telephone, neither on camera.
http://www.peterrdevries.com/
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 5:11 PM 59 comments 
Labels: Announcement, Natalee Holloway, Search for Natalee Holloway
Sunday, January 27, 2008
XV. Aruba
Update: Thurs 31-Jan 1330 hrs
The Persistence is currently working in the same general area as the last several days. Winds 25 kts with 6-10ft side seas. More later

Thurs 31-Jan 1040 hrs
The last several days saw outstanding progress in what was expected to be the roughest part of the search area. Last night, we learned why the local fishermen nicknamed this area “don’t go there”. The seas were a rather innocuous 2-3ft with pleasant 10kt breeze. Within an hour, the seas exploded into a 12-14ft torrent with 35kt sustained winds. After a few hours battling side seas the search team brought the sonar on deck amidst crashing waves of green water pouring over the back deck. We found an approximately 265ft long wreck lying upright on the seabed which is an eerie testament of this area’s volatile ferocity.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/265ft_Long_wreck_scaledMedium.jpg)
Slant range corrected side scan sonar image of a large wreck

Screan shots by blonde
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3D Fly through of NW Aruba and the offshore bathymetry


Tues 29-Jan 1610 hrs

The Persistence left the dock at 0645 hrs this morning returning to survey what has been the roughest portion of the search area. The seas here are reliably 8-12 ft due to convergent water masses, strong stratified shearing currents, and opposing trade winds. Local fishermen have a name for it which roughly translates to "don't go there". For the last couple days we have been working in the heart of "don't go there" in atypically calm 2-3 ft swells. We have never seen it this calm out here. The timing couldn't be better. More later




Sun 27-Jan 2355 hrs
The Persistence left the dock this morning at 0740 hrs. The 15kt winds out of the east lapped up rather tranquil 2-3ft seas. It's as calm as we've ever seen it offshore here. The Aruba Coast Guard boarded the Persistence for a friendly visit at 0810 hrs this morning. For an hour we shared coffee, traded T-shirts, swapped stories, and showed them our progress. They were extremely impressed by the side scan sonar capabilities and 3-D bathymetric imagery. After a round of hearty hand shakes and a few good pictures, they boarded their approximately 30ft long rigid-hull inflatable boat and pushed off from the Persistence. With a smile they shouted to us, “Would you like a little demonstration?” At once, the Coast Guard took off with a sudden blast from two massive inboard engines. In no time the nimble boat was leaping wave to wave at nearly 40kts. Several times the boat came clear out of the water. It was thrilling not only to watch the playful demonstration, but to watch the trust build and friendships form.



Working with the Aruba police dive division, Coast Guard, and Port Authority has been an astonishing experience. Since December 15th we've established a solid working relationship based on openness and trust. Most of the successful rapport was due to getting the media hype out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder through time. We've helped each other however and whenever we can. They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to ascertain the relationships and bonds. Although highly skeptical and suspecting in the beginning, it's clear we're all carefully and diligently working towards a common goal. It seems we share the same attitudes of integrity, courage, dedication, and hope. We’ve all struck an accord in the desire for closure and healing for the families involved and restoring the relationship between our beloved countries.
Screen shots of Video By Blonde.
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(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/watersearch.jpg)

 


RV Persistence - Courtesy visit from the Aruba Coast Guard 27-Jan 0940 hrs


Posted by Kyle Kingman at 1:46 PM 38 comments 
Labels: Aruba, large wreck, Natalee Holloway, Search for Natalee Holloway
Thursday, January 24, 2008
XIV. The Search Area
Fri 25-Jan 1630 hrs

Early on I was asked the following question by a reader: “do I believe in miracles and are we expecting a miracle to happen”? My response: “I do not have enough faith to be an atheist in times such as these. Perhaps a better question would be: what kind of miracles are we expecting?”
The miracle she referred to was whether we believed we would find Natalee Holloway based on the relative odds and unknowns. The question I returned was perhaps more poignant. How would our lives be changed in the process of finding her in light of the adversity and unknowns? I maintain my position that it is a much larger miracle to have lives and hearts changed than to overcome odds and solve unknowns.
Since the beginning of this search I have been witness to many miracles. I’ve watched loving wives gracefully supporting their husbands while waiting home alone with children for over a month. I’ve seen sons and daughters patiently and cheerfully waiting for their daddies to come home to them. I’ve seen hearts moved and changed to give generously out of love and conviction. I’ve witnessed trust build, bonds form, friendships established, lies replaced with truth, mistakes forgiven, and perhaps the greatest of all and hardest to fathom... genuine loving sacrifice.
While searching offshore Aruba from the shallows to the abyss, we have truly ventured into a new search area. We’ve been exploring the very essence of our human being discovering purpose, hope, strength, and love along the way.

Fri 25-Jan 0950 hrs
The Persistence leaves the dock this morning at 0730 hrs. Working during mainly daylight hours has been a welcome change for the crew and good for moral. The seas and winds have not been as severe lately. The last two days saw excellent progress.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Aruba_3Db_small.jpg)

3D Perspective view of bathymetry showing water depth in feet. Black contour interval is 100ft

Special Notice:
By John Silvetti-
The original search area surveyed by the R/V Persistence was selected based on numerous pieces of information provided by Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, investigations, interrogations, depositions and other information from local authorities. After compiling and reviewing the information, the search area was selected by Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti. Upon completion of the sonar runs in this area, 65 ROV dives were performed by Offshore Innovative Solutions (OIS) on targets identified by sonar. Divers from the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions made several dives and retrieved samples which were delivered for analysis. Several targets in this first survey grid yet remain to be investigated by ROV which will occur in approximately one week when ROV dive operations recommence.

Selection of the next area, the “Extended Search Area”, was based on one single piece of information, a reported confession by one of the three suspects. This confession, as relayed to the survey team, has some credence. It involves the same type of disposal scenario, but better defines the search area. This information in combination with the weather patterns observed by the survey team since our arrival on December 15th left only one boundary to define. The team needed to observe the island from offshore on a small vessel at night to determine this boundary. Sounds easy….huh?

After 2 unsuccessful attempts using a local vessel due to fuel and mechanical problems, the decision was made to utilize the R/V Persistence’s Rescue Boat, the “Avon”. The Avon is a 16’ center console inflatable vessel powered by a 70 hp Tohatsu engine. Prior to dark, the Avon was launched from the Persistence and piloted to the Holiday Inn Pier by Captain Jim Graves. Later that evening, John Silvetti boarded the vessel with Capt. Graves, transited to the start point, and commenced an offshore run documenting the time and vessel position with a WAAS enabled hand-held GPS system. At one mile out, radio communications were confirmed with the Persistence. At six miles out, radio communications were again confirmed along with spot light identification as the Avon crossed astern of the Persistence. It was somewhere shortly after this point that Murphy boarded the Avon!

The weather was very similar to the recorded weather of late May, 2005. The seas were running 4-6’ with swells of 6-8’. It was rough for an Avon! Upon reaching the final destination point while documenting the final position, the engine sputtered and stalled. It never started again! Approximately 30 minutes of effort to restart the engine was fruitless. I believe that is when we noticed that we were taking on water! HELLO HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM!

As we watched Aruba disappear over the horizon, contemplating our broken engine, a vessel taking on water and the fact that we are about to enact the emergency contingencies of our procedures, Capt. Graves stated, “ I am sure glad that it is so dark!” I took the bait. Why? Because I believe we would be scared to death if we could see how big these waves are! Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 16 ..over! Silence. Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 16 ..over! Five minutes of silence. Back up frequency. Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 09 ..over! Five minutes of silence. VHF comms failure. Ya gotta love Murphy.

Thanks to the support of Coast Guard Curacao, Aruban Port Authority and some unbelievable cell phone coverage, the Persistence plucked us out of the water approximately 16 miles offshore Aruba. We had acquired a tremendous amount of information to determine the last boundary and learned a few lessons:

1) Never use your lower back to absorb the shock of pounding seas when you are fat and out of shape.
2) Never get fat and out of shape.
3) No matter how complete and thorough your safety procedures are, never count Murphy out!

-John Silvetti
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 6:55 AM 27 comments 
Friday, January 18, 2008
XIII. Stay the Course
Update:
Wed 23-Jan 1415hrs
The Persistence left the dock at 0700 hrs headed for the survey area. The winch is fixed, skies are clear, and the seas are calmer. The new crew are settled in and getting used the work flow.
More later

Tues 22-Jan 0915 hrs
The Persistence left the dock this morning at 0600 hrs, heading out to deep water. Last night, four replacement survey team members flew in to join the Persistence to relieve crew who has been here since the beginning, over a month ago. Although the new crew brings new energy, losing the battle-proven seasoned crew is bittersweet. Words fail to describe the level of trust and bond between the crew. Despite being in close quarters together since 15-Dec, missing holidays with loved ones, birthdays, anniversaries, rough seas, and many intense situations, NEVER was there a moment of bad tension between any of the crew. I trust the new crew will quickly bond and become seasoned to the terrain and conditions- both above and below the waves.
Happy Birthday sis - You're loved and missed.

Sun 20-Jan 2055 hrs- seas 8-10ft, wind E 30-35kts, continuing dead-heading sonar lines in 800-1100+ft of water.

20-Jan 1515hrs
The Persistence arrived dockside around 4am this morning after a rough night. 1415hrs - The Persistence pulls away from the dock to return to the deep water survey area.

A fundamental principle of Murphy’s Law states that if it can go wrong it will go wrong. When it fails, it will do so at the worst possible moment. This is not a result of chance or bad luck, rather the collision of engineering limitations with physics.
Increasing the water depth increases the length of cable paid out which in turn increases the strain on the winch due to the armored cable weight and drag. With roughly 0.5lb/ft of cable x 4000 ft of cable deployed = about 1 ton of cable dead weight on the winch. Increasing the speed either by towing faster or by adding swift ocean currents vectored in the opposite direction increases drag and therefore adds more strain on the winch. Large sea swells (10ft+) heaves and pitches the boat which pulls and drops the towfish significantly. Particularly large swells can shock-load the winch. This means there is a sudden added force which is unevenly applied to the winch.
Last night’s situation:
2355 hrs: The towfish is near the sea floor with 3500ft of cable out in about 900ft of water. A large submarine hill is rapidly approaching so we began spooling in cable as fast as the winch allows. Combined with the drag-strain of the cable, current speed, and large swells, the winch reached its engineered limits and failed at the worst possible moment. Unable to retrieve cable, the towfish was about to catastrophically collide with the seafloor. The only option was to significantly increase speed and immediately turn towards deeper water. The quick decision paid off as the towfish skimmed over the hill-face. Having narrowly escaped the immediate danger, the Persistence stayed in the deepest water possible while making gentle turns as the team fixed the broken winch. Just after midnight with 12-14ft swells amidst the emergency and with waves washing over the back deck, the crew feverishly repaired the winch. The stellar teamwork, excellent situational awareness, and quick thinking combined to successfully avoid disaster. Once the towfish was safe on the back deck of the Persistence we headed for the dock, wet, tired, and relieved.

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Sat 19-Jan 1915 hrs

The Persistence left the dock at 1530 hrs heading back towards the deepest portion of the survey area. The weather has been continually rough and does not look like it will let up this evening or through tonight. Fortunately, we took on fresh water this morning which acts like additional ballast for the boat, reducing some of the roll. While in about 750-800ft of water we came across another unknown wreck. This wreck (perhaps an old schooner) is about 50-55ft long.
1915 hrs - seas building 10-14ft, wind 30+kts.




(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Aruba_55ft_wreck_800f_tdepth.jpg)

Unknown wreck approx. 55ft long schooner




Sunset 19-Jan

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Rough seas 10-14ft seas 1830 hrs, Sat 19-Jan

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Moments later - 1831 hrs, bow is buried beneath a 14ft swell
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/P1010254Medium.jpg)

SPECIAL MESSAGE:
Fri 18-Jan 2335 hrs
We would like to specifically address one comment left on the blog which likely represents the sentiments of many.
“You guys have been out there for quite a long time now... I was really hoping for results by now. I can't help but begin to think she won't be found” -Overwhelming_Sadness

Quoting John Silvetti- Fri 18-Jan 2300 hrs
“It is easy to lose heart if one confuses expectations with hopes and desires. The nature of a marine search, especially one in which the method and disposition of the item you are searching for is unknown, requires a painstakingly slow and methodical disqualification process. The logic is no different than trying to find your car keys. The methodology is: you look where you were recently. We look where it is believed to be, based on evidence or reports. When you and I do not locate what we are looking for in the most logical place, we move on to the next logical place. Ultimately, we both confirm the old saying, “It is always in the last place you look”.
Unknown topography and terrain, combined with large seas have slowed us down but it has not stopped us. We have surveyed and investigated a large area, disqualified most of it, and moved on to an even larger area. At times our progress has been exceedingly fast and slow at other times. We do however, “STAY THE COURSE”....PERSISTENCE.

Our hopes and desires also were to find Natalee before Christmas so we could help bring closure to the Holloway family as our gift to them. Then, we could return home to our families to enjoy the holiday season and hug our children a little tighter... but, it was not meant to be that easy...and we understand.
–John Silvetti.”
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 10:33 PM 35 comments 
Labels: Natalee Holloway, Persistence, Search for Natalee Holloway, Stay the Course
Thursday, January 17, 2008
XII. Perilous Seas
Update: Fri 18-Jan 2133 hrs
The Persistence pulls away from the dock at 1300 hrs heading northwest into deep water. The seas and winds have greatly diminished through the early morning hours. The crew grabs a few hours rest taking full advantage of the calm waters at the dock.
1655 hrs - the seas build to 6-9ft with the occasional 12ft+. Winds 35kts sustained with stronger gusts.
2130hrs - the seas were building steadily all day. We're forced to dead-head lines running acquisition with the seas at our stern. To maintain heading along the line the captain holds a 37-40 degree crab angle due to swift currents and strong winds.

Thurs 17-Jan 2320 hrs
The Persistence left the dock today at 1224 hrs. The trade winds are howling at 30+kts. The 8ft+ seas are growing and brimming with white caps rolling in from the northeast. The occasional 12-14ft swell rocks the Persistence mercilessly along with its inhabitants. Inside, life goes on as usual and spirits are high. Exceptionally large swells throw around anything that isn't dogged down. The galley clock gets thrown off the wall and is now stuck reading 8:35. It seems we also have high-tech self-clearing shelves, tables, and counters. Traversing around inside the boat is a novelty in high seas. People turn into walking pendulums making Z-shaped paths leaning to and fro 30 degrees. The comedy is abruptly interupted with a sobering reminder of the ocean's peril over the radio.

2100 hrs - A call comes on the radio from the Aruban Port Authority requesting the Persistence assist a vessel in distress. A sailboat named Michelle with 6 reported on board is adrift. In such strong winds and high seas it's possible the sailboat could have broken its mast. All we know is that they need immediate help. The search team picks up the sonar and immediately heads in the reported direction of the distressed vessel. For miles we scan the dark horizon as Curacao, Aruba, and the Persistence carefully monitor the radio. Finally, we receive a position and plot a bearing and range -4.5 miles, heading 210 degrees. After a while, the Aruban port authority once again raises the Persistence on the radio, only this time with a very different position. It seems not only is the Michelle adrift, she is very lost. I can only imagine what kind of hell the people on board are going through. Powerless, drifting, scared, alone, and at the mercy of perilous seas the Michelle hopes and waits for rescue somewhere offshore Curacao. The Persistence is called off its search and turns towards the Port of Aruba at 2300 hrs. Although unspoken, we all feel a sense of disappointment knowing the Michelle is still out there in danger.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 9:29 PM 10 comments 
Labels: Natalee Holloway, Perilous Seas, Persistence, Search for Natalee Holloway
Saturday, January 12, 2008
XI. The Leviathan Lair
Wed 16-Jan 1700 hrs
The Persistence left the dock at 1345 hrs heading out to the search area. A broken wire delays acquisition for a while until it is properly diagnosed and fixed. 1700 hrs - sonar survey underway.
1830 hrs: seas building 6-8ft with occasional 12+ft.
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Side scan sonar image showing rock outcrops inside the Leviathan Lair. Water depth over 1000ft. Towfish cleared rocks by less than 10ft.


Flashback: Sat 12-Jan 2000 hrs
Line by line through the night and day, the captain, navigator and I evade the beast. My eyes are focused and hands steady at the controls as the captain brings the Persistence around on line for one last joust through the Leviathan’s lair. Communication is clear and concise. The teamwork between the operator, navigator and boat captain is crucial to our success. The towfish descends where the sentient beast is waiting and ready. This time, the beast reluctantly submits and the Leviathan retreats to its lair after being bested time and time again. The Persistence claims the victory.

A prolonged operation of any kind at or near their limits often leads to trouble and breakdown. The Persistence has operated under strenuous conditions for over a month without incident, failure, or breakdown of any kind. After the battle with the beast, the Persistence heads to the dock for some needed preventative equipment maintenance and rest for the crew. A couple days rest after nearly a month without ceasing is a welcome break for all.

Sat 12-Jan 1340 hrs
The progress of the past couple nights embolden the search team and fortified our confidence to begin work on the deepest portion of the search area. After the bathymetric survey, a plan of attack was drafted and we set out into the depths. The previous search areas gave us the impression the seabed was a worn, tired, old beast with a relatively subdued attitude and benign character. However, adventuring into the depths brought us straight into the grasp of a much different beast. We found ourselves in the lair of the Leviathan.

Descending into the depths, 3000 ft+ of cable spools off the winch. The Persistence slows as the towfish fades far behind the boat. After a long while, the seabed- smooth and welcoming begins to come into range. We descend further, but proceed with a tense sense of danger. It's suddenly clear the beast was waiting for us with baited breath. The towfish narrowly escapes being devoured, skirting between several massive fang-like rocks. A large curled stony-tongue extrudes beneath the sonar, passing through the beast's jaws. The Persistence quickly fires the throttles forward vaulting the sonar away from the sea floor. Without hesitation, the mighty beast gives chase with surprising agility. Skimming over ancient carbonate spines and a bifurcated tail of current-quarried rock the towfish takes flight, besting the Leviathan.

With the lessons and limits learned from the first pass, we strategically withdraw before moving in for the fight. Line by line, the Leviathan and the Persistence battle all night and through the morning. The beast knows that with one slip the towfish belongs to him. We know that if our assault is flawless, the Leviathan will yield its secrets.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 11:44 AM 29 comments 
Labels: Aruba, Aruba missing girl, Natalee Holloway, Search for Natalee Holloway, Sonar Search
Wednesday, January 2, 2008
X. Persistence
Fri 12-Jan 1145 hrs
The seas calmed down dramatically since Wednesday. Last night was smooth sailing and saw double the progress of the previous nights.

Thurs 11-Jan 0030 hrs
The bathymetric survey of the new grid is completed. The search area now totals approximately 57 sq miles, compared to the original 22 sq miles.

Maritime map making has long been an integral aspect of ocean exploration. As adventure seeking sea-faring men of old expanded their frontier, master artisans such as Ortelius and Cicero painstakingly plotted their progress. Instead of producing drab plots where form follows function, they used their artistry to produce meaningful navigation aids and passionately capture the spirit of exploration into their product. Areas of the yet-unknown are filled with caricatures of sea monsters and mermaids.

Today, a new generation of maritime map making, perhaps ushered in by Heezen and Tharpe, provides a new look into the abyss. Hand-painted murals with Latin place names are now replaced with computer generated 3D perspective views with satellite imagery. The old merchant ships and frigates that once sailed these waters charting coastlines and reefs claimed by the sea can now be found and mapped. It's an interesting connection between the old and new and we sail the same seas.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Aruba_3D.jpg)
Wed 09-Jan 1816 hrs
All Internet connectivity was lost for two days due to rough seas and equipment failure. The old adage "No news is good news" only applies on land. Offshore, the 'Law of the Sea' rules and no news usually just means "lost contact". The seas were 6-8ft with the occasional 12+ft swell. The past two nights were spent conducting a bathymetry-only survey of the new grid. The new grid more than doubles the original search area. If completed, the total area thoroughly searched will be 80% the size of Aruba. Currently, the seas are calm relative to what we've been experiencing. The four digits posted on the echo-sounder is a reminder of the limits being put to the test.

Every body of water near land has its own unique character, temperament, and color. The nature of water is governed by the trio of land, sea, and sky. The sea surface reflects the sky, the water column contains the turbidity from the land, and the seabed stares upward through the water column as long as the water allows it to. However, as the seabed falls away into the abyss, the color is always the same dark navy blue. Staring into these deep and dark waters reminds me that this island is surrounded by the same water that flows throughout our entire world. On the surface, the expanse of the sea divides us. Looking deeper, it is really what connects us all. Perhaps the sea gives a reflection of human nature and not just the sky.

Sun 06-Jan 1635

The seas abated sufficiently to maintain our progress through the night and into the early morning hours. The Persistence arrived dockside around 0430 hrs this morning. Rested and ready, the crew makes ready for departure at 1515 hrs. Now a routine, the crew toss the lines and we depart. Leaving the dock past the behemoth cruise ships reminds me of the opening scene from "Space Balls". Their shear immensity projects an image of being impervious to the seas.
Offshore, the seas are the same as yesterday, 5-8ft with the occasional 10ft swell.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Persistence_cruiseship_aAruba.jpg)

Sat 05-Jan-1610 hrs
The Persistence arrived dockside at 0500 hrs after a long night offshore. A few hours sitting still at the dock is revitalizing for a few of the beleaguered crew. Outside, the winds are unrelenting and whip the sea into angry white caps which crash onto the protective reef skirting the harbor. Even the heartiest seabirds have taken cover. The tourist submersible Atlantis VI cancels its evening tour in lieu of being forced backwards by the driving currents. Inside, the Persistence is bustling with the daily chores of living on board a boat. With a whistle and a rumble, the twin Diesels comes alive without complaint. Once they’re warm, the lines are tossed and we’re off.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/holloway_search_rain.jpg)

Brief squall
Sat 05-Jan- 0025 hrs
The wind and seas have not let up at all throughout day and night. Working in the rough conditions is taking its toll on some of the crew. Regardless, spirits and hope remain high as we push onwards. Working in side-seas proved unrealistic. The last resort is to dead-head straight into the seas without recording and acquire data with the swells moving with the vessel. Although time consuming, at least production is maintained even though it is at half the rate.

Many have confused adventure with inconvenience, trading the provocative for status quo. I believe exploration both in terms of our surroundings and within ourselves is the essence of human spirit. When denied, we're left feeling isolated and unknown. When we have the courage to search these depths, we learn the most about who we are and hopefully a thing or two about each other and our surroundings.

Fri 04-Jan-1557 hrs
The skies are clear and the winds are strong and steady. Wind 25kts gusting 30+. Seas 5-6ft, with the occasional 10ft+ swell. The seas are too rough to run sonar into the seas, so we shift to a different grid with lines running perpendicular to the dominant swells. Working in side-seas produces somewhat cleaner data, but takes a heavy toll on the crew rolling and heaving about inside the boat.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/High_seas.jpg)
Thurs 03-Jan 2200 hrs
As the Persistence travels through the turquoise Aruban waters to start another day of searching, onlooking swimming seabirds and flying fish curiously come alongside the boat. We worked all day and will continue working through the night. As we work on, we maintain a rhythm yet avoid routine. Over-familiarity risks carelessness and worse, complacency. For any one of us to even momentarily lose our focus opens the door for utter failure. The tremendous progress so far was only made possible with a very strong team, excellent leadership, planning, and prayer. There have been many times when there is nothing to say, times when nothing can be said, and times when words alone cannot describe the situation. We will continue on through the night, until the beckoning glow of the rising sun silhouettes our return to the dock.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Aruba_sun.jpg)
Wed 02-Jan- 1920 hrs
The first round of ROV dives are complete.
The Persistence leaves the dock at 0650 hrs. The relentless wind is SE 25-30 kts with 6-8ft swells and 3-4ft wind waves. The two wave forms occasionally add together producing impressive swells which toss around anything that isn’t dogged down. Simple tasks such as taking a shower become complicated and awkward. By now, the search team is well-seasoned to the conditions and terrain. The new grid poses new challenges but provides another chapter to be read. Inch by inch, mile by mile the search continues forward and the data is good.


02-Jan 1830-1900 hrs - At sunset
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 11:01 AM 70 comments 
Labels: Natalee Holloway, Natalee Holloway Aruba, RV Persistence, Search for Natalee Holloway

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Persistence_flag.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/02-Jan1915.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/02-Jan1830hrs.jpg)

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=9


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 03:41:27 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/datelineskullog2.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 03:41:52 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/TimTrahan.jpg)

Tim Trahan

Is that a girl on the ship on the right?
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/girl.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 03:42:04 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/persistTimTrahan.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 03:43:49 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/AEsept182008NataleeHollowaycase-aru.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/index.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 03:45:42 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Silvetti.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 03:46:48 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/trapcolor1md9.gif)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/trap2cy7.gif)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/1Trap.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 03:47:08 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/PersistenceHansMosandRichardson.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/EdwinPapitoCommenciaOnprestence.jpg)/EDWIN 'PAPITO' COMEMENCIA -

COMEMENCIA WAS AT THE VAN DER SLOOT HOUSE:


source on Edwin
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CommenciaPapito.jpg&imgrefurl=http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/03/dirty-hand-revealed.html&usg=__v_Ulho2yo9vLgAhOUTsvMTbzQq4=&h=138&w=130&sz=4&hl=en&start=13&sig2=h6dWTywq5lfbFB8qsW46XA&tbnid=-5E9ZXydeUbCLM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=88&ei=Jr0kSfPJMIGm8QTlkdkL&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPaul%2Bvan%2Bder%2BSloots%2Bred%2Bjeep%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 03:47:29 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Dline15.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 03:47:48 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Dline14.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 03:48:05 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Dline12.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 03:49:44 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/4fcc7321.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 06:18:55 PM
Who are these men?
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/EdwardoCompare.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 06:20:38 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/PersistenceHansMosandRichardson.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/redshirt.jpg)

Quote from: oceanexploration on November 20,2008 at 04:00:07 PM
BTW, this is certainly NOT John Silvetti.  I do not know this man.  He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.new#new


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 18, 2008, 06:22:32 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/persist.jpg)
Eduardo, Tim Miller, Tim Trahan


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 19, 2008, 09:00:55 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/thugcompare-1.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 19, 2008, 05:32:11 PM
Posted by Kermit
LaLamom, hopefully this will help clear up. throw out what you think you know and just follow the truth


(http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6913/silvettigroupfinaljh0.jpg)
March 8, 2008 CAPS POSTED - "I hope tomorrow we will have the final links into a final resolution about the pond. This coming week is THE DAY.
Me and J & W and the C's are all in agreement now that it must be there.
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2680.560

J = John Silvetti

grave robbers

(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/9796/gretacage3wo9.jpg)

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3038/datelinediversfromarubaqm2.jpg)

Greta van Sustern: "He's lying
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3312/datelinehansmosonboardpsv7.jpg)

COVER-UP
(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3785/dolfrichardsonxo9.jpg)
DOLPH RICHARDSON

Aruba divers arriving. WHY? Where are the American's? Where is Tim Miller? Where is Hodges? Where is Dateline?
Who was in charge - go back and start at the beginning of this post.
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9251/datelinenotthatfaroffshvh5.jpg)
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3928/fromrvpersistencehotelsnm4.jpg)
(http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/869/shoeinsidecagecg8.jpg)
1 tennis shoe inside cage

(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9862/tennisshoefromcagexc0.jpg)


Joran: "She's in the ocean
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4632/joranshewontbefoundmo4.jpg)

Look at the distance from shore.


(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2392/datelinetrapbo2.jpg)

private eye March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.440

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hans Mos
Dolph Richardson
Aruban divers
John Silvetti

COVER-UP




Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 19, 2008, 06:02:38 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Dateline.jpg)

At 250%
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/who.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 19, 2008, 06:07:44 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/index.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/Silvetti.jpg)
I THINK IT'S JOHN
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/jsiTHINHK.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 19, 2008, 07:08:04 PM
Note date on this screenshot it's the 12,29,2007

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/cage.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 19, 2008, 07:08:27 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/thumsdown.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/diversinwater.jpg)
Note date on  screenshots and with 3 divers
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/3divers.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 19, 2008, 07:08:50 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/watchingdivers.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 19, 2008, 07:09:16 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/afterthedive.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 20, 2008, 09:30:34 AM
******* posted a link to this site back during the Persistence search, it's worth watching.  Maybe Johan or Bastibro will let us know if anything interesting is said by the person doing the interview.

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985 (Start at 5:30)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/DutchVideoRecap.jpg)

Dutch TV 2/12/08

Coverage of the Persistence Mission starts at 5:30

Very interesting Dutch presentation about the Persistence mission.  Following the Persistence crew interviews there are interviews with Dilma Arends, Julia Renho (she looked absolutely ghastly!), and others including Rudy Croes....I could understand persona non grata from Rudy.

Interesting comments by John Silvetti:  Starts at 9:03

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PCrewSilvetti11g-1.jpg)

Quote
"There are a lot of those uh let's just call em hate websites that say we're looking for oil, we're doing well...I don't know how..I don't even want to respond to that, that's ridiculous."

John Silvetti explains that he bought this "Jolly Roger" flag in Aruba, and if they find Natalee they will fly it along with the American flag when they return to Louisiana.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PCrewSilvettiFlag02-1.jpg)

Note:  This show was done after some crew members had left and others came in, I am only posting the following for information purposes and do not contend that any of them did anything wrong. 

Other crew members identified in the show:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PCrewDennisMay10-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PCrewRobertFloyd05-1.jpg)

other names mentioned that I'm not sure about placing with a pic are Jake, and Bryan/or Ryan



Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 20, 2008, 09:44:17 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/BillMaherCaptain.jpg)

Wonder if that's really his name!   ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: oceanexploration on November 20, 2008, 04:59:59 PM
Blonde, what did you need? 


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
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Oceanexploration,

Not sure if you are reading back, but there has been quite a bit of discussion about the Persistance, the crew, the owners, what was or wasn't found, the cover up, ALE involvement in the last couple of threads (might be minus a few things).  This was initiated by a poster's hints. 

If you haven't been lurking, then what a coincidence you decided to check in today.  Good to see you here and glad all is well with you & your family.


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Which poster's hints are you referring to?

I haven't been lurking.  Today was the first time here in many months. Reading back I can see people have some of the same questions as myself.  I suppose the answers to some of these questions may never come. I trust others will be answered in time. 

The owner of the Persistence (John), crew members during the search, Tim Trahan, and Tim Miller are all wonderful, trustworthy, hard working people.  They had no business or motives with this search other than to find Natalee. Suggesting anything else is purely speculative and wrong, though I suppose it's human to question, connect abstract dots, and make assumptions.  I can personally vouch for any one of them.  I cannot say the same for others.

I'm not commenting on the trap or it's contents.  It's good to see things are still being thrown around the monkey cage. 

Regards to all.


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Quote from: oceanexploration on Today at 03:30:12 PM
Which poster's hints are you referring to?

I haven't been lurking.  Today was the first time here in many months. Reading back I can see people have some of the same questions as myself.  I suppose the answers to some of these questions may never come. I trust others will be answered in time. 

The owner of the Persistence (John), crew members during the search, Tim Trahan, and Tim Miller are all wonderful, trustworthy, hard working people.  They had no business or motives with this search other than to find Natalee. Suggesting anything else is purely speculative and wrong, though I suppose it's human to question, connect abstract dots, and make assumptions.  I can personally vouch for any one of them.  I cannot say the same for others.

I'm not commenting on the trap or it's contents.  It's good to see things are still being thrown around the monkey cage. 

Regards to all.

Thanks, Kyle.

I hate to even ask but I don't want to see anything left hanging.

Would Mr. Schaefer also be included on your list?


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Buckshot, in the event "what I feel" differs from "what I know to be provable and true", I'll have to obstain from answering your question directly.  I will say the FBI report to Mos which Mos publicly stated in verbatum, said exactly what the FBI were invited to accomplish.  The FBI report and therefore Mos's report was accurate regarding the samples.  As to what the samples were, I cannot comment because I in fact do not know what was sampled.


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Quote from: oceanexploration on Today at 03:30:12 PM
Which poster's hints are you referring to?

I haven't been lurking.  Today was the first time here in many months. Reading back I can see people have some of the same questions as myself.  I suppose the answers to some of these questions may never come. I trust others will be answered in time. 

The owner of the Persistence (John), crew members during the search, Tim Trahan, and Tim Miller are all wonderful, trustworthy, hard working people.  They had no business or motives with this search other than to find Natalee. Suggesting anything else is purely speculative and wrong, though I suppose it's human to question, connect abstract dots, and make assumptions.  I can personally vouch for any one of them.  I cannot say the same for others.

I'm not commenting on the trap or it's contents.  It's good to see things are still being thrown around the monkey cage. 

Regards to all.

Thanks, Kyle.

I hate to even ask but I don't want to see anything left hanging.

Would Mr. Schaefer also be included on your list?
VMS,
My honest mistake.  Louis is certainly on that list.  I trust him.  I know he went into the search effort with one purpose... finding Natalee.  Of course I'm sure he hoped for a better outcome and to feed on some of the good press if she were proved found.  If I lost as much of a personal fortune in one year as he, I would have lost my mind.


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Quote from: SS on November 19, 2008, 08:37:02 PM
John Silvetti - red shirt
Dolf Richardson
Hans Mos

Who are the others?

BTW, this is certainly NOT John Silvetti.  I do not know this man.  He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.


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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 20, 2008, 05:56:45 PM
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Kyle,

I, too, have an additional question for you that pertains to a post you made here stating that you were taking some time off from 1/9 - 1/14....you also stated you saw a vessel from the beach on 1/11 & 1/12.  There are also postings on your Persistence website within that timeframe that seem to infer that you were onboard.  Can you clear that up for me? 

Thanks.


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Ocean,
Can the ocean survey that the Persistence did be used for
other purposes?
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Ocean,
Can the ocean survey that the Persistence did be used for
other purposes?oses?


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 20, 2008, 05:59:23 PM
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Buckshot, in the event "what I feel" differs from "what I know to be provable and true", I'll have to obstain from answering your question directly.  I will say the FBI report to Mos which Mos publicly stated in verbatum, said exactly what the FBI were invited to accomplish.  The FBI report and therefore Mos's report was accurate regarding the samples.  As to what the samples were, I cannot comment because I in fact do not know what was sampled. 



Thank you. Much appreciated.
You are a good man for your efforts.

The monkeys seem to feel certain items (samples) were replaced when sent off to the FBI to be tested. We also have our doubts about certain people that helped you in the search.

Was there ever a time when you guys were not present in searches? Maybe taking a break and/or chasing down possible other leads? We are trying to determine when a window of opportunity may have arose for evil do-ers.


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 20, 2008, 05:59:56 PM
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IF in fact no covert actions were planned by those pursuing the search for Natalee Holloway on the ship of the Persistence were planned long ahead of the trip & with adequate staff & communication ability regardless of being under the authority of the Aruban ALE & if necessary covert actions were not taken on that search to obtain samples of everything in that trap or any others that appeared to hold worthy items to be collected, prior to alerting ALE, than that kind of naievity/stupidity in experienced, educated American men I just did not even fathom for a second.  I had faith that despite what was being publicly communicated other measures, for sure, had been taken to ensure corruption could not trump the efforts by the American's.


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Post by: Blonde on November 20, 2008, 06:00:46 PM
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Which poster's hints are you referring to?

I haven't been lurking.  Today was the first time here in many months. Reading back I can see people have some of the same questions as myself.  I suppose the answers to some of these questions may never come. I trust others will be answered in time. 

The owner of the Persistence (John), crew members during the search, Tim Trahan, and Tim Miller are all wonderful, trustworthy, hard working people.  They had no business or motives with this search other than to find Natalee. Suggesting anything else is purely speculative and wrong, though I suppose it's human to question, connect abstract dots, and make assumptions.  I can personally vouch for any one of them.  I cannot say the same for others.

I'm not commenting on the trap or it's contents.  It's good to see things are still being thrown around the monkey cage. 

Regards to all.

Thanks, Kyle.

I hate to even ask but I don't want to see anything left hanging.

Would Mr. Schaefer also be included on your list?


I agree -- I hate for things to be left hanging.

So what's up with this?????

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Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.


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Post by: Blonde on November 20, 2008, 06:01:18 PM
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Quote from: oceanexploration on Today at 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: SS on November 19, 2008, 08:37:02 PM
John Silvetti - red shirt
Dolf Richardson
Hans Mos

Who are the others?

BTW, this is certainly NOT John Silvetti.  I do not know this man.  He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.

Good afternoon monkeys,

Thanks OCEAN EX for setting us straight.  Well monkeys, the guy in the red shirt, NOT SILVETTI, came on with Arubans and we still need to identify him.

Very helpful.


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 20, 2008, 06:02:27 PM
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Buckshot, in the event "what I feel" differs from "what I know to be provable and true", I'll have to obstain from answering your question directly.  I will say the FBI report to Mos which Mos publicly stated in verbatum, said exactly what the FBI were invited to accomplish.  The FBI report and therefore Mos's report was accurate regarding the samples.  As to what the samples were, I cannot comment because I in fact do not know what was sampled. 



Thank you. Much appreciated.
You are a good man for your efforts.

The monkeys seem to feel certain items (samples) were replaced when sent off to the FBI to be tested. We also have our doubts about certain people that helped you in the search.

Was there ever a time when you guys were not present in searches? Maybe taking a break and/or chasing down possible other leads? We are trying to determine when a window of opportunity may have arose for evil do-ers.

I share this "feeling" and believe the Monkeys have good reason to feel this way too. 

As for your question:  We were vigilant during the search, but there doesn't need to be a window of opportunity arise for "evil do-ers" to do thier deeds. 
When you are in a position of authority which is shared among such a few, you can say and do whatever is seen justifiable by the other few in authority.  Unfortunately, one of the major hindrances that has aided in keeping this case from being solved for so long is the nuances of Aruban and international law.  Being an American vessel operating in Aruban waters makes us subject to a certain set of laws.  We are seen as invited guests which at any moment can be "uninvited", either politely or impolitely.  The FBI is also subject to their own legal limitations. They are subject to following laws and jurisdiction.

To politely reiterate, I am not commenting on the trap or its contents.
   

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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 20, 2008, 06:03:00 PM
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Quote from: Helen Back on Today at 04:16:24 PM
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Quote from: SS on November 19, 2008, 08:37:02 PM
John Silvetti - red shirt
Dolf Richardson
Hans Mos

Who are the others?

BTW, this is certainly NOT John Silvetti.  I do not know this man.  He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.

Good afternoon monkeys,

Thanks OCEAN EX for setting us straight.  Well monkeys, the guy in the red shirt, NOT SILVETTI, came on with Arubans and we still need to identify him.

Very helpful.
Ok, I am confused.  Did Kermit say Silvetti was correct????

Yes, thank you for the clarificiation Silvetti not being in that photo.  Yesterday I believe that Blonde brought forward the screen capture of Silvetti, full front shot, on board the Persistence.  It was obvious when compared to red shirt in that photo that they are not the same man.  Red Shirt has at least 15-20 years more than Silvetti, red shirt is totally grey, imo & very old.


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Kermit, why an untrue identification of red shirt????????????????????????????????


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I share this "feeling" and believe the Monkeys have good reason to feel this way too. 

As for your question:  We were vigilant during the search, but there doesn't need to be a window of opportunity arise for "evil do-ers" to do thier deeds. 
When you are in a position of authority which is shared among such a few, you can say and do whatever is seen justifiable by the other few in authority.  Unfortunately, one of the major hindrances that has aided in keeping this case from being solved for so long is the nuances of Aruban and international law.  Being an American vessel operating in Aruban waters makes us subject to a certain set of laws.  We are seen as invited guests which at any moment can be "uninvited", either politely or impolitely.   The FBI is also subject to their own legal limitations. They are subject to following laws and jurisdiction.

To politely reiterate, I am not commenting on the trap or its contents.   

Kyle -- when were you all made aware of of these constraints??  From the start -- before the Persistence arrived In Aruba? Or when you boarded??

Was there any consideration or discussion that you were aware of about NOT going forward with this -- due to these contraints and limitations?

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Post by: Blonde on November 20, 2008, 06:05:34 PM
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Just curious, what was Kermit asserting about me?

We were doing the best we could with the limited time and resources at our disposal.


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Just curious, what was Kermit asserting about me?

We were doing the best we could with the limited time and resources at our disposal.


Ocean, I cannot answer that.  I didn't see Kermit say anything against you.  I however, have another question.  It has been said by other posters that perhaps, the Persistance had a two fold mission, not just to search for Natalee but for oil at the same time.  I hope this is not in anyway offense of me to ask this....A1
I like and respect Kermie.  He's a good frog.  I was just curious of the context.

A1, It's not taken offensively.  It's natural to think that.  Although we had some impressive equipment on board, none suited for oil exploration.  Our main instrument was a side scan sonar (Edgetech 4200 if memory serves). A side scan sonar allows you to search for items laying on the seabed.  For oil and gas exploration you use what's called multi-channel seismic to image the subseabed often thousands of feet below. 

The people who had these feelings of mixed adjenda were people who are incabable of believing that people who are in a position to do so still go out of their way to help out for a good cause even when it costs them dearly.  I personally lost over $15K because of this search effort.  I am much lower on the list compared to what Louis and John put up.  Following the search effort, Louis lost most of his fortune during the events that followed.

   


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Just curious, what was Kermit asserting about me?

We were doing the best we could with the limited time and resources at our disposal.



Ocean,
Kermit never said anything bad about you, that I can remember.
He suggested that they sent you off the boat when they did
the bad stuff.  (Not sure what bad stuff.)
I gotcha.  I wasn't sent off the boat.  I asked for a few days rest, after working 16 hr days straight from Dec 15-Jan 10th. I spend 4 days at the holiday inn and returned to the Persistence.  I'm not sure what bad stuff he is referring to.
Enough for now, I'm headed out. Take care all.

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These are but some of the questions that kermit put out on the board for monkeys to obtain answers to:

a) Who was suppose to show up and help?  Who got Tim off the boat and when or why?

b) How much is a pawn worth? I muse tonight.

c) You're on the right track. Who sells & resigns from their company
leaving the stockholders defunct.
One of them either Silvetti or Schafer bought a Charter boat & B&B then filed bankruptcy on that too. Do we see a pattern here?

d) if you wanted to build a pipeline what do you need & who?


This is a comment worthy of reading:  I love that song for 'The Apprentice' - the melody, the words are so shall I say the evil that drives some men.


   


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 20, 2008, 06:20:18 PM
Blonde, what did you need? 
Names of poeple  in the the pictures Ihave posted.


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I wish Wreck was here to speak with you.  Ever since your mission, he has been steadfast in his belief that evidence relating to Natalee's disappearance was recovered, and that the FBI knows and has known since that time what was recovered. 

Kermit has asserted that the FBI was not aware of everything, and we have deduced that switching of evidence and cover up continues.

Kermit has not asserted anything about you that I am aware of.  He has, however, confirmed some of our suspicions about the gathering of evidence and has encouraged us to look at the Aruban divers and others involved with the dives.

While we have you, some of us are confused about the 11th and 12th of January.  It seems you were on land for a break and observed, from shore, a dive taking place.  I think we area confused because the Persistence journal indicated you were on board during that time.  Maybe you can clear that up for us, since we are interested in the dives.

By the way, how's your little angel, and thanks for swinging by.



I've always liked the way Wreck thinks. The FBI at least knows everything that I know, but so what.

I got off the boat for 4 nights from the 10-14th of Jan for some much needed R&R.  I was in close communication with the boat and continued to post updates.  I didn't need to broadcast my presence on the island at the time.  I observed the vessel at or very near the location on the 11th and 12th for 42 and 45 minutes respectively.  I questioned the possibility of unknown diving ops taking place.  The talks about recovering the trap ceased around that time as well.  My concern was the trap was being cleaned up (legitimately or otherwise), but I have no evidence of this either way as we never revisited the site.


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Blonde,
I do not know who that man is either.  A group of Arubans came on board the Persistence (along with Mos and Richardson) who I had never seen.  I wasn't introduced. Everyone in those pictures are standing around me (seated).  The man you're calling the Bulldog stood behind me to my left.  Most of their english was pretty poor IIRC.


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Post by: Blonde on November 21, 2008, 08:49:08 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/PersistenceHansMosandRichardson.jpg)
This is the whole picture above
Here BELOW is part of the same picture

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Blonde,
I do not know who that man is either.  A group of Arubans came on board the Persistence (along with Mos and Richardson) who I had never seen.  I wasn't introduced. Everyone in those pictures are standing around me (seated).  The man you're calling the Bulldog stood behind me to my left.  Most of their english was pretty poor IIRC.


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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 21, 2008, 08:54:23 AM
Also this Jossy's Family
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/JossyFamily.jpg)
Klaas took Edwardo and compared to life vest man and came up that it was the same man

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/EdwardoCompare.jpg)

 The guy in the life vest is Eduardo Mansur, son of Jossy and founder of Aruba Search and Rescue.


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Here is a link with pictures of members of JD Silvetti Group:

http://www.jdsilvetti.com/committee08.html

Here are some more pictures (one of John Silvetti):

http://silvettigroup.com/2006%20scholarship%20D%27%20Juanna%20Monique%20Hall.html

http://silvettigroup.com/2007%20scholarship%20Joshua%20Davis.html




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Post by: Blonde on November 21, 2008, 10:47:33 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/girlonship.jpg)
looks like a girl on the ship right hand side?


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Post by: Blonde on November 21, 2008, 04:36:49 PM
DATELINE MSNBC

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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2008, 09:27:57 AM
Needle in a haystack

January 08, 2008 12:10 am
 Trying to find the truth about the disappearance of his daughter, Dave Holloway and his attorney must first wade through a sea of misinformation.

Monday was a prime example of what Holloway must put up with.

A man, who said he was calling from Nicaragua, contacted Holloway telling him he knew the whereabouts of his daughter, 18-year old Natalee Holloway, who has been missing since March 25, 2005 during a senior trip to Aruba. After talking with the man who would not give his name or phone number, Dave Holloway has all but written off the "source" as bogus.

"I've gotten a lot of strange stories since Natalee's disappearance," said Holloway. "Although the number of calls aren't as bad as they used to be, we still get them."

 After listening to the man's claims, Holloway referred him to the attorney handling the case on this end.

"I'm about at the point where I'm running out of options," said Holloway. "The case has been closed by Aruban authorities and there just isn't any good information coming in anymore. But I still have to listen to every story I can. Maybe one day something will come from one of them."

A boat is still searching off the island of Aruba for Natalee's body. Working alongside Texas Equa-Search, a non-profit organization that specializes in searching for missing persons, Holloway said the owner of a survey boat equipped with some of the most up to date undersea technology has generously volunteered his time and crew to search for the missing teen.

"They've been down there for about three weeks," Holloway said. "You never know, maybe they'll find something."

Natalee Holloway was last seen the night before she and her classmates from Mountain Brook High School, located just outside Birmingham, Ala., were due to return from Aruba on a senior trip. Witnesses said they saw her get into a car occupied by three Aruban natives, Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and his younger brother, Satish Kalpoe.

During a television interview for the news program 48 Hours on March 25, 2006, Aruben Lead Investigator Gerold Dompig said theories surrounding the investigation, prior to it being closed, included Natalee's body being moved two or more times. The "source" Monday said the body was buried in Nicaragua instead of being dumped in the ocean as first suspected. Holloway has his doubts.

 "He claims to have physical evidence but then balked at sending me samples so I could have DNA checked," Dave Holloway said. "There's another sign that this may be just another dead end."

Holloway has now been around the block several times since his daughter became missing. He knows there are a large number of people who would like to gain some sort of financial windfall by providing false information. As tiresome as it gets to field these kinds of calls, Holloway knows he has to listen, if for just a minute.

"Some people mean well and are genuinely trying to help but others are out there to rip you off," he said. "It's just something we have to put up with right now."

It will all stop when Natalee is found, he said.


http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_008001043.html


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Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2008, 10:04:05 AM
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the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only.
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the FBI gave them to Dave H
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #740 on: March 18, 2008, 12:22:38 PM »
After the visual inspection on 30-Dec, the initial plan discussed by the project leads and Aruban police was for us (the team on board the Persistence) to be directly involved in the recovery of the trap.
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The talks continued after Jan-7th when the samples were collected.

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On the 11th and 12th, I noticed the Dutch coast guard vessel at or VERY near the trap site.
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The vessel was on that spot for 42 minutes that day and about the same duration the next day.
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The trap contents weren't sampled until the 7th of January.  Neither Tim Miller, Tim Trahan, or Dateline were on board during this time. 
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« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 04:21:47 PM »

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care."
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Quote from: private eye on March 19, 2008, 02:54:38 PM
 I am curious what the circumstances were surrounding his leave from the boat he described during which the Dutch ship came close to the trap location.
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Human remains were found


the items found inside the trap
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I inquired about the Dutch coast guard being on site
 "we do not have dive capability
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Video 3:  Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap
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Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2008, 10:07:03 AM
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There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.  Video 1 : 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap.  (very small clip of this video on Dateline).  Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor.  The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.
Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them. 

What you all really didn't know (nor Tim Miller when he said his statements to the press, neither Dateline NBC when they broadcasted their lovely special):

Video 3:  Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap.  The trap was not recovered.  Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis.  Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning.  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series. 

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets.  None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.


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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
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The talks continued after Jan-7th when the samples were collected.
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On the 11th and 12th, I noticed the Dutch coast guard vessel at or VERY near the trap site.
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The vessel was on that spot for 42 minutes that day and about the same duration the next day.

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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2008, 10:11:18 AM
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Quote from: casa on November 21, 2008, 11:53:06 PM
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Quote from: casa on November 21, 2008, 11:30:48 PM
Ok Im going to say this one time and I will be done.  There is someone very close to my family who knows John Silvetti and knew him way before Natalee went missing.  This man is a class act.  He went into this to find Natalee and help her family.  He is in NO way a part of a coverup! It is an insult to this man to even suggest that he is a part of a cover up.  You who beliive this should be ashamed.   You all can choose to believe what you want and you can choose to blindly follow anyone you want but it does not change the FACTS.  I am just sorry that people choose to follow someone who does not even know this man and who in my opinion says things to draw attention to himself.  Sadly theer have been way too many people who have claimed to know stuff who don't have a clue!

Casa, I do not know John Silvetti.  He may be a saint.  I am not ashamed of looking for clues to solve this case.  I do apologize if I have offended, because posting negative comments about anyone on the internet is offensive.  I think we are grasping at any clues or information that we can to try to find the answers we need.  I did research Silvetti and Schaefer.  I will say that my suspicions lean more toward Schaefer.  He does have connections in the NL that make me go hmmm. 

If you can, please answer this question, did Silvetti attend a Mansur wedding?  Does he have a connection to Jossy?    IIRC, Caps was talking about Silvetti as related to the pond search.  He said that he had spoke with John regarding when the search would be performed.  Now, I don't know who CAPS is but how does he know John Silvetti?  It appears that John had connections to Aruba prior to Natalee's search.

Agan, I am not trying to upset you.  Please do not take offense.


I have no information that Silvetti attended a Mansur wedding.  I have no information that he has a connection to Jossy. Actually I don't think that Caps knew John Silvetti and I don't think that Silvetti had any connections to Aruba before the search.  This is my opinon:  People cannot accept that the crab trap was in no way connected to Natalee and want someone to blame.  People were seeing all kinds of things in that trap that just were not there.  Believe me I want this case solved badly but seeing things and saying that people are covering up will not solve this.

Unfortunately, you are wrong. I'm sorry. But it is the truth.
You are duped by someone I guess you thought you knew.


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2008, 05:24:29 PM
The search for Natalee Holloway
It's the story you haven't heard: the tale of two parents who, even now, will go anywhere -- and endure anything -- to find answers.    Video


  Search continues for Natalee Holloway
Feb. 22:  Almost three years after Natalee Holloway disappeared on Aruba, friends and family still search for the truth.

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  Videos: Web exclusives
     Why Holloway dad can't quit search
David Holloway tells Dateline's Chris Hansen how his faith is helping him deal with his daughter Natalee's disappearance.
     Mom: Too late for Natalee, but...
Beth Holloway tells NBC's Chris Hansen what she is doing to help families protect their teens when they travel overseas.
     For grieved father, search is the answer
Tim Miller opens up about the murder of his daughter and how he is helping other families cope with the loss of a child.


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TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 7:20 p.m. MT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008
ARUBA - She was a visitor in an island paradise. A young woman who wanted to be a doctor. Whose life was filled with promise.
Her disappearance has led to a different type of promise -- from her mother, her father, and a man haunted by his own loss.

It is a promise to do everything in their power to find Natalee and bring her home. It's the Natalee Holloway story you haven't heard -- the story of parents who even now will go
anywhere -- and endure anything -- to find answers.

Dave Holloway: My goal has always been to find my daughter. That's been my ultimate goal, from day one.

Beth Holloway: Not knowing is-- is-- that's the daily torture.

Tim Miller: How could you imagine a family being put through anything worse? I mean, they've literally been tortured.

The story began early in 2005, in Mountain Brook, Ala., near Birmingham.

The seniors at Mountain Brook high were planning the annual graduation trip to Aruba.

But not everyone thought it was a great idea.

Dave Holloway: And I thought it was, my opinion, too extravagant. And I said, "No, we're-- we're not going to do this." And I told her flat out she was not going to Aruba if I had anything to do with it.

But Natalee didn't give up and eventually Dave Holloway relented.

After all, if anyone deserved a reward it was Natalee.

In school, she'd been a straight A student, a member of student government, even a counselor in a peer group called the Natural Helpers.

That fall, she was planning to attend the University of Alabama on full scholarship.

Her mom, Beth Holloway Twitty, who had been divorced from Dave since 1993, knew it would be a great opportunity for her daughter.

Beth Holloway: I was excited the Mountain Brook students had been there the previous two years. Even my step-son -- the year 2003. And there were going to be over 150 plus classmates. So, we felt like, you know, there's safety in numbers.

She felt good about it except for one troubling piece of information about a nightspot down there, a bar called Carlos ‘n Charlie’s.

Beth Holloway: My step-son had had an encounter at Carlos 'n Charlie’s during 2003.

Chris Hansen: During his senior class trip?

Beth Holloway: Yes-- yeah. Tere were some locals there. And they had coaxed some young females into leaving the establishment with them… and he stepped in at the last minute because just didn't feel good about the situation, you know, with them--

Chris Hansen: He saw--

Beth Holloway: --leaving.

Chris Hansen: --trouble brewing?

Beth Holloway: Yeah, he did.

But class member Laraine Watson, who's never spoken publicly about their trip, or Natalee's last night, until now, says it couldn't have started better.

Laraine Watson (Natalee’s friend): We were so excited. I mean, it was a tropical paradise... without our parents! Together.

Claire Fierman had been friends with Natalee since they met in junior high.

Claire Fierman: We were on the beach. We stayed outside all day. You'd usually take a nap, get dressed, go eat dinner, and then go to one of the bars. Come home whenever you wanted to.

On the last night of the trip, Sunday, May 29, Natalee and her friends headed down to the hotel casino.

They soon struck up a conversation with a young man. He said he was 19 years old, a tourist visiting from Holland. His name was Joran.

Laraine Watson: I met him in the casino and I didn't shake his hand or anything, I just said, "Who's that?" when my friends introduced me.

Chris Hansen: What did you make of him?

Laraine Watson: He just looks like an average, normal high school guy. I mean, I remember he's really tall. I remember looking at him thinking, "Oh, who's that guy?" You know, he's hanging out with my friends.

Chris Hansen: What was the 'buzz' on him with the rest of the gang?

Laraine Watson: You know, I don't know if he initially came up to my girlfriends and said, "Hey." and started talking to them. Or if they approached him. But Natalee was in there when I saw him near the blackjack table. And I don't know if they were even talking. I just remember seeing him and wondering what he was doing hanging out with my friends.

Chris Hansen: Did he create any suspicions?

Laraine Watson: Not really. I just was curious to see who the boy was. I wasn't really suspicious. I mean, he's going to come out with us later.

In fact, Joran did join Natalee and her friends later at that same well-known nightspot that had worried Natalee’s mom.

Laraine Watson: It was fun. I mean, when you go with a big group of your friends out to a bar, it's fun. And we were legal. You know, we were 18 and we could drink. So--

Chris Hansen: No fake IDs required.

Laraine Watson: Exactly. It was a lot of fun.

Joran seemed to fit right in with the hundred-plus kids from Mountain Brook, who essentially took over the bar Sunday night.

Chris Hansen: Did you see him at Carlos ‘n Charlie’s that night?

Laraine Watson: I did see him. I didn't talk to them. I just saw him dancing.

Chris Hansen: Did you see him have any interaction with Natalee at all?

Laraine Watson: No.

Chris Hansen: What time did you wrap it up at the bar that night?

Laraine Watson: I think the bar closed at one. So, we pretty much left when the bar closed. So, you know, the last song came on. And "Sweet Home Alabama" came on. I think they all knew we were from Alabama, so they played it for us.

And we went outside and started trying to get in taxi cabs to get back to our hotel. And it was kind of chaotic.

Chris Hansen: Did you think that's how Natalee got separated from the rest of the crowd?

Laraine Watson: I do. I do. I didn't see her in the car that she was last seen in.

But some other members of the group did see who Natalee had gone off with. They didn't think anything of it at the time but she had gone off with Joran and some of his friends.

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The next morning, Monday, the group was scheduled to catch flights taking them all back home. But at the Holiday Inn, no one had seen Natalee.

Claire Fierman: So, I’m boarding my plane. One of our friends, Francis Ellen, comes running through the airport, grabs me as I’m getting on my plane and says, "Natalee is not coming home. We can't find her." And I say, "Beth is going to be so mad." Because my initial reaction is she's overslept. Where is she? You know, it wasn't panic.

But as Natalee’s plane pulled away from the gate panic did begin to set in.

Chris Hansen: What was it like to be on that plane and have it take off from that island without Natalee onboard?

Laraine Watson: It-- it felt like I was leaving something behind. It was just a horrifying feeling knowing that she was supposed to be there and she wasn't.

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  Mom: Too late for Natalee, but...
Beth Holloway Twitty tells Chris Hansen what she is doing to help protect teens traveling  overseas.

Dateline NBC


Back in the United States, Beth Holloway Twitty was in her car when she got a call on her cell phone telling her Natalee had not shown up in the hotel lobby to go to the airport.

Beth Holloway: I knew instantly when I received that call that just from Natalee’s history and character and just her record, I-- I knew instantly that she'd either been kidnapped or murdered. There was no hesitation. Absolutely none-- absolutely none.

She raced towards home and frantically called 911.

Beth Holloway: I’m saying, "My daughter's been kidnapped or murdered in Aruba. Help me. I need some help, you know?" And then the calls turned into I’m calling 911 and I’m telling them I’m driving a 120 miles an hour down the interstate and don't anybody stop me.

She finally did get pulled over -- and a state trooper got her in touch with the FBI.

Back at his home in Mississippi, Dave Holloway also got the frightening news:

Chris Hansen: This is not a young woman who missed airplane flights.

Dave Holloway: Right. It hit me. And grown men don't usually cry. But I knew this is bad. I knew then that I was going to have to go to Aruba to find her.

It was the beginning of a quest that would transform two parents from small town America into international investigators, who even today are trying to answer the question: what happened to Natalee?
CONTINUED : ‘The words that he uses are sexually explicit’
Less than 12 hours after her daughter Natalee was reported missing, Beth Holloway Twitty's plane touched down in Aruba.

She was joined by her then-husband Jug and a few friends from home, and the group wasted no time tracking down clues about what had happened to Natalee.

Their first stop: the Holiday Inn -- where Natalee had stayed --- and where they began asking questions about that Dutch tourist named Joran.
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He was the same young man who'd been seen with Natalee at the hotel's casino, and later, at Carlos ‘n Charlie’s.

Beth Holloway: So, all I did was give this little bit of information to the nighttime manager and she knew instantly who he was.

Chris Hansen: And who was he?

Beth Holloway: She said, "Oh, that's Joran Van der Sloot and he's -- 17. No, he's a local here. No, he hangs out here.

Now that they knew his full name Beth wanted to put a face on it.

She asked to see the casino security videotape.

And as she watched it play, she was on the phone with her step-nephew, who had been on the trip, and had sat next to Joran in the casino the night before.

Beth Holloway: Then he guided us. He said “Now he's seated to my left."And then we're able to see what he looked like. And then as we were coming from the video surveillance room down the stairs, we almost collided with the-- two of the Aruba handlers because they were coming up at the same time. And they were like, "We've got the car. And we've got the address."

Joran Van der Sloot's address.

Minutes later the group from Alabama was arriving at his family's home.

While Beth sat in the car her friends from home grilled Joran, pressing him for details about what happened after he and Natalee left the bar.

Beth Holloway: The words that he uses are sexually explicit and graphically detailed of what he is engaging in. The conduct he's engaging in with Natalee in the backseat of the car.

Chris Hansen: And if I’m one of these guys--

Beth Holloway: Oh, yeah.

Chris Hansen: --that's going to be enough to make me come unhinged.

Beth Holloway: They were-- yeah, that's when--

Chris Hansen: I mean, like grab him by the--

Beth Holloway: You got it.

Chris Hansen: --throat. And say, "look--"

Beth Holloway: You got it.

Chris Hansen: Where is she?

Beth Holloway: ...it was about to just explode.

   Video


  ‘Sexually explicit and graphically detailed’
Feb. 22: After discovering Natalee Holloway was missing, the teen’s mother and friends confronted Joran van der Sloot.

Dateline NBC


By now police had arrived at the house and Paulus van der Sloot, a politically-connected legal official, hovered as police questioned his son, Joran.

And when it came to the key question -- when did Joran last see Natalee -- he said that he and two friends, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe -- had dropped her off at her hotel around 2 am. End of story.

Beth Holloway: He wanted to go show us where he had dropped her off.

By now at least 20 people had gathered around -- Beth, her husband, their friends, and police -- and they all got in cars and headed back to the Holiday Inn.

At the Holiday Inn, Joran himself showed Beth and the group where he had supposedly left Natalee, right at the hotel's front entrance.

Beth Holloway: So, he spread his arms out. Said, "This is where I dropped her off." and he explained how she got out of the car, and she stumbled. And he said, "She fell and she hit her head."

The group tried to get some rest, and the next morning Beth went to the police station hoping to follow up on what she had learned the night before.

Beth Holloway: And the lead detective, he told me that he would have to have a shave. And he rubbed his cheeks, and his stretched his arms down to his large stomach and said he would have to have his Frosted Flakes first before he could deal with me.

And then, after two hours, he came out and said that he'd changed his mind. That he didn't need to meet with us after all.

The next day -- as Beth continued to follow up leads at bars, the beach, and hotels -- Dave Holloway arrived and says he had his own frustrating encounter with police.

Dave Holloway: He proceeded to tell us that-- and we knew then that the three boys were the last three to be seen with Natalee. And he said, "I’ve taken their statements. And they don't have anything to do with her disappearance."

Chris Hansen: So they had cleared Joran van der Sloot and the other two boys.

Dave Holloway: On June 1.

Chris Hansen: From the get go.

Dave Holloway: He said "A lot of these girls come to the island, they miss their flights. She'll show up in a few days."

Chris Hansen: In a few days.

Dave Holloway: Yeah. Says, "She's probably out just partying. A lot of them will come here and get hooked up with a drug dealer. They'll be under drugs for awhile."

Chris Hansen: How did you respond to that?

Dave Holloway: I said, "that's not my daughter."

Both parents felt nearly paralyzed with fear, but they did keep moving.

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The next day Beth was back at the police station and this time the detective had questions for her.

Beth Holloway: He asked me if Natalee ever had a history of seizures or epilepsy? And I said, "No."

Chris Hansen: Did you think that was odd? At the time?

Beth Holloway: No, I just thought, "Why are you asking that?"

Beth Holloway Twitty says she didn't understand the significance of that question at the time and wouldn't for more than two years. But soon after that question was posed to her, there were arrests in the case. Just not who she thought.

A week after Natalee’s disappearance, two Holiday Inn security guards were taken into custody.

Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers reportedly told police the security guards might have known something about what happened after Natalee was dropped off.

Natalee’s mother was horrified. Her own digging at the Holiday Inn left her convinced that Joran's account simply couldn't be true.

Beth Holloway: Well, it made me sick. Made me sick. And the reason why? We knew beyond the shadow of a doubt. At that point, we knew that the boys had totally fabricated this story about what they did with Natalee.

Chris Hansen: Why were you so certain that van der Sloot and the other young men were lying?

Beth Holloway: Because within 72 hours, I viewed the video footage of the interior of the Holiday Inn lobby of how the tourists can enter the lobby. And Natalee never entered the lobby.

The security guards were eventually released.
   Video


  Why dad can't quit search
David Holloway tells Dateline's Chris Hansen how his faith is helping him deal with his daughter Natalee's disappearance.

Dateline NBC


And Joran van der Sloot’s story had changed over time. He now claimed he'd left Natalee on the beach, not at the Holiday Inn. Later that month police arrested the Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot. Beth thought the case was closed.

Beth Holloway: There is not a chance in hell that they will see…

Chris Hansen: ...the light of day?

Beth Holloway: No.

Beth was wrong. To her surprise, a judge ruled that there was not enough evidence to hold the suspects and three months after their arrest, all three were back on the streets.

As the days, then weeks, passed, the Holloways had to face a horrible realization.

No matter how many police officers they talked to, or beaches they combed, it looked like Natalee wasn't coming home alive.

Dave Holloway: I had a gut feeling that-- you know, just, I guess, as a parent, you just have that feeling that she's not here anymore.

Still, they were determined to find her body and bring it home:

Chris Hansen: What would represent justice in this case, for you?

Dave Holloway: Well, my goal has always been to find my daughter. That's been my ultimate goal, from day one.
CONTINUED : A new chapter of the Holloway story begins

3.
Throughout the summer of 2005, the whole world seemed to be wondering what had become of Natalee Holloway.

While her parents were grateful for the attention -- hoping it might prompt people with information to come forward -- it became increasingly difficult to separate good leads from bad.

Beth Holloway: I mean, I’ve had calls since, you know, I couldn't even-- just-- you know? I'm-- from—“Natalee’s in a freezer at the van der Sloot house” to “Natalee’s in a boat in Venezuela or Colombia.” It was hell at first.

Chris Hansen: How do you cope with that?

Beth Holloway: You just become numb to it.
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The search to find Natalee had been massive. Hundreds took part -- volunteers, the Dutch marines, and even government employees who were given time off to take part in the effort.

But even with all of those resources Natalee’s family wanted to do more.

So they brought in a hard-charging, hard-living Texan named Tim Miller. If anyone could find Natalee, they thought that perhaps he could.

Chris Hansen: It would not be unreasonable to say that you are obsessed with this case.

Tim Miller: I’m obsessed with every missing person case. Every one. This one just went a little bit farther.

Tim Miller knew the Holloways' pain all too well.

Two decades earlier, his 16-year-old daughter Laura disappeared. From the start -- Miller suspected that she'd met with foul play and was probably dead. But weeks, then months, passed with no leads or information. All Tim Miller could do was wait.

Tim Miller: Police said that she was a runaway. We couldn't get any help. There weren't any search teams. And I just felt helpless.

Eventually Tim got the worst call a parent can face. His daughter's body had been found in a field just two miles from his home. Her murder remains unsolved.

Tim Miller: I felt then that I had really let Laura down for not doing anything. Wasn't the father I should have been.

He couldn't help his daughter, but he could help others. In 2000,taking time from his construction business, he organized Texas Equusearch as a memorial to Laura.

The goal was to help other families find the loved ones they'd lost.

In the years since, he says, the group has conducted more than 800 searches, found 250 people alive, and located the remains of 80 missing persons.

Experience in so many searches, he says, has given him more insight and more resources than many large police departments.

Now he's frequently called in to aid high profile searches, like the recent one in Illinois for Stacy Peterson.

Tim Miller: I’ve got to say no sometimes. The next time that phone rings, I want you to answer it and listen to the mother on the other end. You tell her no. I can't. You tell her. Law enforcement tells them no. We can't.

And his first conversation with Beth Holloway Twitty was no different .

Tim Miller: When I heard her voice-- you know, it kind of reminded me back when Laura was missing. And I made a promise to God and to Laura that I’d never leave another family alone again ... but I didn't think it would take us to Aruba.

Little did Tim Miller know, but he'd spend nearly a year of his life in Aruba knocking on doors, hunting down leads, sifting the sand -- and the sea.

Along the way he became close friends with Natalee’s father, Dave, who joined him on many searches.

Dave Holloway: Two of those weeks were at least, spent digging' in a garbage dump.

Tim Miller: And I’ll never forget that day when Dave Holloway's in the bottom of that well on Natalee’s birthday, putting trash in a bucket, and I’m pulling it up thinking, "Maybe they put Natalee in a well and threw trash on top of her." And I said, "It's a hell of a way to spend your daughter's birthday." I said, "Dave, get out of that hole." And so, he got out, and I went down. And then he said, "Tim, get out of that hole." He said, "I’m leaving Aruba. I will never come back here again."

But Tim Miller says that very day, in October, 2005, there was a turning point.

The deputy police chief saw Miller and Dave Holloway and shared a hunch.

Tim Miller: And said, "There's no need for you all to be searching the landfill anymore." He said, "I think you all need to be out in the sea, three to five miles."

   Video


  The unknown Holloway vigil
Feb. 22: Get an exclusive behind-the-scenes look at the search for Natalee Holloway that you haven’t heard about.

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Soon, there was another tip -- one that seemed to add credibility to that theory. On the night Natalee disappeared, Miller learned that there had been a break-in at a fisherman's hut on the beach. Among the missing items --- a metal and wire box --- a fish trap.

Miller wondered if they could have used it to dispose of Natalee's body and weigh her down at sea so her body couldn't be discovered.

Tim Miller: Well, we talked to a lot of people in Aruba. And they say 90 percent of anybody that drowns on that side of the island, their bodies will float up to the banks of Venezuela. I don't think that they was willing to take a risk on Natalee’s body floating.

Miller was determined to launch a search, but one sophisticated enough to find a target so tiny -- a fish trap -- in an area so vast seemed just about impossible.

Until Louis Schaefer entered the picture.

Louis Shaefer: I’ve been following the story ever since it happened. And I felt so sad for Dave and Beth because they just didn't seem like they were getting the cooperation and everything they needed.

Schaefer is a self-made multimillionaire who made his fortune in the underwater exploration business.

Schaefer was one of the few people in the world with the expertise to help find Natalee’s body if Tim Miller's theory was correct. And he was offering his services free of charge.

The plan was to use high-tech equipment to map the ocean floor off Aruba, and then, step-by-step, use state of the art equipment to scan the bottom for anything that looked like it could contain Natalee’s remains.

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Just before Thanksgiving, 2007, Dave Holloway came to see the Persistence -- the vessel that he hoped would bring Natalee home.

It was the beginning of another heartbreaking turn -- one that would take them from heights of hope to depths of despair.

Dave Holloway: There's been times, I’ll be honest with you, you look up at the sky at night, or get up and you can't sleep. Look up at the stars. Think, God help us. Answer some prayers for us.
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in November 2007, Tim Miller and Dave Holloway went to New Iberia, La., to see off the research vessel named Persistence.

Dave Holloway: Your boat says it all -- persistence. I've been persistent, and Tim’s been persistent and everybody else is going to be persistent.

And just as the persistence was leaving port, there was a bombshell.
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The three main suspects, Joran van der Sloot, and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were rearrested.

Dave Holloway broke his vow and rushed back to Aruba along with Beth for special meetings with prosecutors. They were asked to bring medical records.

To their horror, though, they say they ended up talking not about new evidence but were asked probing questions about Natalee’s character.

Beth Holloway: They kept saying that Natalee, you know, was a drug user … She's never had a history of drug use. She's never been in drug rehab. Yeah, I thought that -- then, they don't have anything. They don't have anything, you know?

Natalee’s parents were even more infuriated when all three suspects were released -- again. Aruban authorities soon put the case on hold.

Natalee’s father had only one glimmer of hope to cling to.

Dave Holloway: And when this went out, I thought, gosh, the only thing I can hold on to is, is this boat search. I said, that's my last hope. That's my very last hope.

Tim Miller: The sea has always been calling us back.

In December 2007, Miller returned to Aruba, and based on his theory and study of water currents, literally drew a line in the sand.

(footage of Tim drawing in the sand with a stick)
Tim Miller: That's where she's at, right there.

And Dateline was there when the Persistence was ready to sail.

Tim Miller: I stepped on the boat and said “Natalee we're coming to get you.” Now we're finally coming to get you. And I still believe that from the bottom of my heart. She's out here and now we're on our way.

Over the holiday season, the crew of the persistence worked day and night to survey the ocean floor and look for targets that could hold the key to finding Natalee.

On Christmas Eve sonar pictures revealed what looked like a large trap, almost exactly where Tim Miller theorized it would be.

And on Dec. 29 the crew dropped a remote operated vehicle, or ROV, into the water to get a closer look.

Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.

Chris Hansen: So, you're thinking-- you're thinking at this point--

Tim Miller: I’m thinking at this point, "Oh, my God, maybe we've got something. Maybe we've got something."

Could they have found her? Or was hope, perhaps, making them see what they wanted to see?

(on the boat)

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.

Tim Miller couldn't help but think that the date they first saw that trap --    Video


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Christmas eve --    Video


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was a sign that just maybe they were on to
something.

(on the boat)

Tim Miller: Maybe that was some of God's timing. I hope maybe Beth and Dave can have what they have been looking for two and half years.

Dave Holloway: I got a phone call from Tim.

Chris Hansen: And what'd he say?

Dave Holloway: He told me, he said, "Dave, we found her."

Chris Hansen: "We found her?"

Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."

Chris Hansen: Did you think that was it?

Dave Holloway: I did.

And the Holloways weren't alone. The next day Aruban authorities, including chief prosecutor Hans Mos, came on board to see for themselves.

Tim Miller: We showed them what we had. I think they got real interested, too. We all thought we had something.

The Aruban authorities agreed the find looked promising. And finally, divers from the Persistence and the Aruban police set out to get an up-close look.

Tim Miller: Everything was going right. That morning there was actually a double rainbow when we got started.

Chris Hansen: A double rainbow. Not just one rainbow.

Another sign from above?

A school of dolphins followed the Persistence as it sailed out to the target.

Tim Miller: I know I looked at somebody on the boat, and I said, "The-- the dolphins are going with us to go ahead and get Natalee."

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(On the boat)

Tim Miller: We are at the spot. Ready to go down . .it is now only a matter of minutes before we know.
CONTINUED : An answer from the depths
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On Dec. 30, off the coast of Aruba, divers from the Aruban police force and the research vessel Persistence were about to make a crucial dive on a promising target in the search for Natalee Holloway.

The researchers had discovered a fish trap about 90 feet below the surface in almost the exact spot search expert Tim Miller had theorized Natalee’s body might be.

Team leader Tim Trahan suited up to join the Aruban police divers. As Tim Miller wished him well, the divers hit the water and the ROV was sent down to capture what would happen for everyone watching on board.
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(On the boat)

Brandon: We have visual on divers and target.

Slowly the divers worked their way down to the trap.

They had been instructed to give a thumbs up or thumbs down.

The atmosphere in the survey room was tense, and nerves were raw as Miller, the Aruban authorities and the crew of the Persistence waited for word of what exactly was in the trap.

The divers approached the target and signaled above. And then...

(On the boat)

No it's thumbs down.

Negative, not it.

Crushing disppointment.

(On the boat)

Tim Miller: Divers coming up right now. I don't know it looked as promising today as it did last night or before.

Miller: Nothing?

Trahan: No.

Chris Hansen: That had to be a crushing blow.

Tim Miller: It was a crushing blow.

Now Tim Miller had to deliver that same crushing blow to Natalee’s parents.

Chris Hansen: How hard is it for you to dial their numbers and tell them that this in fact is not the break in the case we-- we hoped for?

Tim Miller: Probably one of the hardest calls I ever made. Probably one of the hardest … probably should have never made the first one. But everything looked right at the time.

Natalee’s father was at home in Mississippi when the call came.

Chris Hansen: What was it like for you to, once again, have a setback?

Dave Holloway: That's probably about the time that-- the chest pains intensified to an extreme. I mean, how many times can I take this?

Beth Holloway: You know, it's a disappointment. But, you have to look at the magnitude and the sacrifices being made even to get to that point.

Chris Hansen: You didn't know these folks before this happened. What do they represent to you now?

Dave Holloway: They represent heroes to me.

To be sure there was no relevant evidence, material from the trap was given to the FBI. For the Holloways, though, another wild ride began.

This bizarre story originated in the central American nation of Nicaragua.

It happened last month, when Natalee’s father Dave received a message from a man who called himself Marcos. He said he had important information about where they could find Natalee's body.

Dave Holloway: He said, "I’d done some wrongs in my past," and he said, "This is my way of making all of my wrongs and all of my sins and doing something right."

Dave was skeptical, but the phone and e-mail messages continued.

In them was a wild tale involving drug runners who said that on the night Natalee disappeared someone had paid them to take her body and dump it at sea.

They agreed but instead they took her remains with them to Nicaragua and hid them on a remote strip of the Atlantic coast.

Dave Holloway: It was a little bit far-fetched for me.

Chris Hansen: What did he want in return?

Dave Holloway: He told us he didn't want anything. And that is what part I started believing in this guy. I said we've got a reward out here.

In January, Dave Holloway asked Tim Miller to head to Nicaragua to arrange for a meeting...and to Miller's surprise, Marcos showed up.

Marcos: I didn't live an, um, exemplary life. I did a lot of wrong things and maybe this is just one way of trying to even up the, the score a little bit.

Marcos wouldn't allow his face to appear on camera, but he agreed to talk to Miller and even officials from the US embassy.

Chris Hansen: And what was the person from the embassy's take?

Tim Miller: The person from the embassy said, "You know what? I think we may have something here."

Together, Miller and Marcos came up with a plan: Marcos would take a GPS receiver to the location and leave it there. Miller, accompanied by    Video


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local officials would follow the signal to th   Video


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e location and begin to dig.

The next morning Miller's phone rang. It was Marcos. The search, he said, had been a success. But there had been a change in plans. He had the body and would bring it to them in Managua.

Marcos: Tonight before the sun is up, we will be in Managua.

Tim Miller: He says that she was wrapped in a blanket and her body fell apart. He said, "but we had to put her in two ice chests." And he actually said, "call Mr. Holloway right now and tell him I’ve got Natalee."

Chris Hansen: So what do you do?

Tim Miller: I did not call Dave Holloway to say I have the body.

Chris Hansen: You've been down that road before.

Tim Miller: I’ve been down that road before.

Chris Hansen: Did you believe him?

Tim Miller: This time, I believed him.

But after waiting all night for Marcos to appear at the arranged location -- nothing.

Marcos never appeared again and Tim Miller and Dave Holloway are convinced Marcos pulled off an incredibly cruel hoax.

Dave Holloway: How would somebody stoop so low to do something like this?

Chris Hansen: How hurtful is that, when somebody does that to you?

Dave Holloway: Very hurtful. In fact, that was -- it's a wonders I’ve not had a major heart attack and died, you know.
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After two and a half years of excruciating ups and downs and just a week after being victimized by that cruel hoax in Nicaragua, Natalee Holloway's parents were about to be thrown another bombshell -- perhaps the biggest yet.

An elaborate hidden camera sting in the Netherlands, arranged by Dutch reporter Peter de Vries, caught Joran van der Sloot on tape with a man named Patrick who had gained his trust.

Van der Sloot not only said he was with Natalee when she collapsed on a beach, but that he had a friend with a boat get rid of her body.
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For Dave Holloway, watching the show was the most painful moment yet.

Dave Holloway: It was a good thing he-- there was an ocean between us and Holland, because I would have come after him.

Though the tape was difficult to watch , for Natalee's parents it seemed to confirm many things they have believed all along.

First and foremost that Joran was with Natalee -- and had something to do with her disappearance.

Beth Holloway: I wanted to come to the TV and kill him. I wanted to peel his skin off his face.

Second, that her body was, indeed, dumped at sea.

Tim Miller: You know, I think there's a lot of truth in it. And I think it validates what we've been wanting to do for the last couple of years, and that's search that water.

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But for Natalee's mother, there was something else about the tape that was particularly revealing.

On the tape, Joran van der Sloot says all of a sudden it was like a scene from a movie, the way Natalee was moving. "Shaking?” his friend asked. "Yes," he answered.

When Beth heard van der Sloot describe what happened, she said it not only made sense, it confirmed to her what she had believed from the start.

Beth Holloway: The facts are within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance, a lead detective asked me if she had a history of epilepsy or seizures. Two and a half years later, the main suspect himself, admits that Natalee -- he felt as if she suffered an epilepsy or seizure. And he even indicates how she's shaking. So, if we look at just that one-- just that one piece, that's one thread out of a lot. Then, I have to say yes, there definitely was some collusion and corruption going on in the early days of Natalee's disappearance. Absolutely.

However, according to the prosecutor's office it's standard procedure to ask if a missing person might have a seizure disorder.

Police and prosecution officials declined on-camera interviews, but have consistently denied that there was any corruption, collusion or mishandling of the investigation.

The director of Aruba's hotel and tourism association says everyone wishes the Holloway case had been treated more urgently in the first 48 hours, but that police wrongdoing was certainly not an issue.

Rob Smith: In fact, quite the opposite, you know, our island is very focused on tourism, so we've put a tremendous amount of effort into solving this case, millions and millions of dollars from our police budget have been focused on nothing but bringing resolution for the family.

Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers insist they had nothing to do with Natalee's disappearance or death. And when it comes to that videotape, van der Sloot claims he was lying, impaired by marijuana.

After the hidden camera footage aired, prosecutors sought to arrest Joran van der Sloot again but judges denied the request.

Joseph Tacopina (van der Sloot’s lawyer): For two courts to deny his rearrest shows you the value, the evidenciary value of this tape, which is none.

Joseph Tacopina: Joran's story, over 20 hours that he was taped, is disprovable by fact, disprovable in its inconsistencies internally, and incredible because he was under the influence of narcotics when he was making those statements.

Tonight, after the Holloway family has gone through nearly three years of anguish, the Persistence is still off the coast of Aruba -- looking for   LINK

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Natalee. And organizers are now   LINK

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appealing to the public for donations to
keep the search going.

And Natalee's father -- who's lived through all the ups and downs, somehow finds a way to remain hopeful.

Dave Holloway: That search will continue. They have the capability to find something as small as a quarter on the ocean floor. I mean, that's how sophisticated this equipment is.

Today Natalee Holloway would be 21 years old, a junior in college, phoning home to chat about friends or boys or maybe a biology test she'd aced that afternoon.

Instead, she is gone. Her final resting place, a mystery.

And so her parents keep searching, hoping that somewhere off the coast of Aruba, a boat called the Persistence, may bring them an answer -- and peace.

Dave Holloway: If she's there, they'll find her. If they don't find her, we did-- we did the very best we could do, no question about it.


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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 23, 2008, 10:18:51 AM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 23, 2008, 12:53:45 PM
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Quote from: texasmom on Today at 11:26:08 AM
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How do you know they didn't write the names down? 

Kyle says he has no idea who they were.  Kyle was keeping the diary.

By diary do you mean his log that was on his blog?  If so I think this would be completely separate from any visitor "log" that may have been kept on the boat.  Kyle may not have been responsible for that.  I would think that for security purposes the boat would be required to keep a log of non crew members that board.  It has been quite a while since the mission, and if Kyle knew some of the names then, he may not recall them now; or may not be at liberty to post them here.
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From Kyle's posting:
Key Personnel: Bios coming soon! Please check back soon.

Louis Schaefer Jr. - Project Lead and Key Contributor

Tim Miller - Project Management -Founder of Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Providing the R/V Persistence for the search effort. http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager

Kent Bourg- Party Chief

Kyle Kingman - Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist

Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 5:47 PM

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


I don't see anyone listed as Clerk.... or Secretary. Project Manager, yes. Perhaps that is one responsible?

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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 23, 2008, 12:58:29 PM
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To clarify a few points so you aren't distracted or mislead by emotional opinions: 

1st - Pipeline surveys resemble just that.. a pipeline.  They are aligned with a route corridor from point A to point B.  This search was a squarish grid centered on finding Natalee Holloway and has no other purpose.  Suggesting anything else is insulting your own intelligence. 

2nd - Louis and John had no alterior motives with this search.  If they did, obviously something further would have come of it businesswise.  It hasn't.  Calling them "American Traitors" is again an insult to your own intelligence. 

I support freedom of speech and respect opinion, but not where the facts do not support it.  This is borderline libel and similar to saying the Apollo moon landing was staged.  I've worked along side both Louis and John (Silvetti is NOT red shirt lol).  They both sacrificed a lot personally to conduct this search.  Perfect people they are not.  However, calling them traitors is past opinion.  Do not let your emotions interfere with what you know to be true regarding this case.

3rd - All visitors on board the Persitence signed in.  Their names were recorded in the Ships log. I do not have this, nor do I have the time or access to track it down.  If it were relevant to the case it has been forwarded to the FBI.  Don't you think the FBI knows exactly who was on that boat and if it were important?  My job had nothing to do with logging visitors, as I am not a secretary.  The notes I kept were for my own records and pertained mainly to successfully conducting a very technically demanding search.

I am not reluctant to help where I am able, but I am reluctant to naming friends and coworkers names involved in the search when their pictures get posted on the net.  Do you know how creepy that is?  It's been almost a year since the search began.  With the exception of a notable few, I can't remember the names of all who came on board.  Even their faces are fading in my mind. 

My prayers and blessings go out to all those who have worked tirelessly on this case and to the Holloway-Twitty family.  YOU are a major reason why this case is still alive.  I pray, hope, and trust that this case will be solved and justice carried out here on Earth in the near future.  Keep hope alive.


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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 23, 2008, 01:03:21 PM
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Quote from: texasmom on Today at 12:25:15 PM
Hi Kyle,

I hope maybe you can answer this.

Was any type of dive performed on the cage we've all been discussing between Christmas Eve when it was seen on the sonar reading, and before the December 29th ROV dive?

I found the trap sonar target at 1:42 am on Christmas morning.  I was asked if I had any targets to investigate with the ROV on Dev 29th.  I did.  We then performed the 1st ROV dive and confirmed the sonar target was the trap.  This was the first ROV dive performed.  No other dives were performed prior to this.  I kept the sonar target list very confidential.  I didn't need people knowing about it and people on board knew well enough not even to ask.  When it was time to dive I have the target location. Until then, it was kept confidential.


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 23, 2008, 02:45:09 PM
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Thanks for understanding.  Mr. Red shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th.  I understand the reasoning to find out the names of people present during the Dec 30th meeting.  Those names are in the ship's logs.  I don't find it useful to post the names of all the search members who happen to get screen captured.  jmho.

Just a work of warning...
I know I will get in trouble over this one, but it must be said:
Many people have enjoyed (in a sick way) moments of spotlight as a result of this case and investigation.  Many have come and gone who present their theories as fact (whether truth mixed with fiction or totally bogus), stand by it, gain a lot of attention, get proved as liars, and then dissapear in shame.  This has been a repeat pattern since the beginning of the case.  Some have gotten caught up simply by emotion, others have gotten caught up by sharing genuinely good ideas then took their theories too far.
 
For instance, I've read many of Kermit's posts. I would rather not single him out because he's not alone.  I personally love how he thinks. I really enjoy how many posters here think.  He's got a wonderful mind indeed.  However and for whatever reasons, he has presented many of his recent ideas as fact and tagged along with those facts opinions which are very much false.  In defense of his claims, he asks that you trust him.  To someone who actually observed what happened, the difference from fact is perfectly clear and would be embarassing for him.  For the rest, they are easily mislead. This is a terrible waste of time and intellect, but I suppose it's viewed as morbidly entertaining. 

The realities of this search and difficult case are very hard to accept, perhaps due to the incredible contrast in character displayed.  On one hand, you have a terrible crime committed and made worse by a blatant coverup at high levels of foreign authority.  On the other, you have a search conducted with the sole purpose to find Natalee and bring closure to the family. This search was conducted because of the goodness of the hearts and efforts of the team leaders and persistence of the family - often at great expense to themselves and their reputations. However, fears of ruined reputations and lost money and failed efforts were put aside from the start of the search. When we did this search, we knew many would accuse us of alterior motives such as oil exploration or planning pipeline routes doubting that good people still exist and do good things for others.  This comes with the territory I suppose and is no surprise to those few who really know. 

As for myself, I made a decision many months ago that I wouldn't let the false theories get to me personally, and that I wouldn't try to correct every false thing I read, or damaging statement.  The information I have that I will not post online, comment on, or talk about even in person, I have shared with trusted senior FBI agents.  I have shared what I can here and elsewhere that I felt safe sharing.  The rest is in the hands of those who are in the proper position to act on the information given to them.  Beth and the FBI know what I know. This is my peace.  The theories will remain entertaining to me but for those who are mislead by them, I am truly sorry.

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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 23, 2008, 02:54:36 PM
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Quote from: Kermit on Today at 01:56:12 PM
I have not, nor would or will I ever lie to ANYONE! It is not how I live my life. And I won't start now.
What I have said is the truth, I confronted him, he took off. Maybe he needs some time to plan another diversion or search his soul. I hope it's the latter.


Excuse me?  You can think what you want and mislead as many as you wish Kermit.  It's not my concern.  It's not the first time you've turned people against me so you can propogate your lies.  You know what I mean.  I welcome you to do the same here. The result will be the same.  I've been a source of information for as long as I could and it was genuine.  Kermit, I'm sorry your ego got in the way of reality.  You may freely do as you please. I will not stand in your way. 

My appologies to all the self-thinking, genuine, and honest people here.  I'm done posting here.

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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 23, 2008, 07:23:23 PM
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THE RV PERSISTENCE THIS MORNING AT 8:20 ARUBA TIME HEADING FOR HOME.  THESE ARE THE ONLY PHOTOS OF THEM LEAVING.  I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF THEY STAY IN THE BFN WEBSITE AS JOHNNY ASKED ME TO POST THEM FOR YOU! HE FEELS HE HAS A CONNECTION HERE.   
   
THE FEELING FROM THESE PHOTOS ARE A LITTLE WEATHER BEATEN AND SAD... AT LEAST FOR ME....

Your welcome. Oh, I guess a thank you would have had to have first been stated. We have followed this case before any one ever thought of it on-line. Since the outset to the present, I have never seen anything like this.

The insanity of making a statement like this pic has to stay here and only here shows me a couple of things. One I will not discuss at this time. The other is that people should stay off the internet if they have no concept what it is or how it works.

Let's get some thing straight here folks as to what the internet and specifically Scared Monkeys is about. The truth and justice. Not just for Natalee but for all stories we follow. We are not a propaganda site ... we are a search, question, answer, investigate and opinion site. We have always been and always will. This site was founded on questioning and investigative reporting long before we covered Natalee missing.

We have not or ever been a web site that had its content dictated by the family of Natalee Holloway, nor any other family of a missing child or any story ever posted. I know this comes as a shock to the Dark Side, but we do what we do because we care ... not because someone tells us to care or what to say or think.

Freedom of speech has always been allowed unless it is hate. We do not allow Monkeys screaming bomb in our movie theater.

At Scared Monkeys ... WE QUESTION. No one is above questioning. That is what has driven all of you to get answers and justice ... because you all question what has been utter BS out of Aruba.

As a person who has gone to Aruba and searched for Natalee, no one respects or has respected the job that The crew of the Persistence. Its a completely different type of search, but in other ways its not. The ocean and a landfill are just as undaunting a task.

However, that does not mean that one does not get to ask questions, especially when people put stuff on line. No one is just supposed to follow blindly when some one sees something that looks strange. Personally, I would never allow it. That makes no sense.

Let me just say one last thing for now, to ask for donations and accept them from all people and only thank some is wrong. It provided a small window to all as to what some of the PR has been like and trying to deal with it. The PR in this search has been head scratching.

Persistence, you did a fantastic job ... however, no one is above questioning, not even us. We are questioned all the time ... some fair and some not at all. That is life on the internet.

Remember one thing always Monkeys ... We always question and use rational and deductive reasoning in the process. That is the bedrock of credibility. That is why SM has been the first and most read site for Natalee Holloway. SM had street cred prior to NH on the web, this case only enhanced it because people knew they would get the truth, even if at times it hurt.

Life on the internet covering cases and searching for clues is not easy. Try devoting all this time to a cause and be called every name in the book. It is not for the thin skinned. No one at SM wants a medal or a monument erected ... a simple thank you would be nice.

Knowing a case inside and out does not make one arrogant, it makes one an expert on the topic. Respect is not a one way street.




   


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 23, 2008, 07:24:45 PM
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.   The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.20


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 24, 2008, 09:50:56 AM
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And speaking of heros, if in deed any of the people from the Persistance does have any evidence that was tested here in the states, they are heros too.  After 3+ years of the BS going on in Aruba and their way of doing things, I sure would have taken evidence also.  not for me, for the family.  I have said that since we have known them to be messing with us.  "IF" Kermit was actually on this boat, she had to be from the Date Line Crew.  Kermit has to clear things from washington first?  Wow, thats a big step.  Who does she know?  Sure as hell DC didnt do anything to help the Holloways except for the Condi thing.  Which in all reality did nothing.  We all know that Joran will NEVER get charged, so what is the next best thing?  Getting real closure for the family, getting some thing of Natalee to bring home and bury?  Yes.  If any of this has to do with what I have just stated, then I say good for them.  It was nice enough for these gentlemen to go out of their way for months to go to a corrupt island, and looking for a missing girl on their time.  During the holidays to say the least.  I commend them.  No-one else would do it, and we all know Aruba wouldn't do it.  If they did scan for their pipe line, which I highly doubt, then so be it.  They searched for Natalee in the process.  Maybe they told Aruba they were there for that, and id the opposite.  who knows.  Either way, they are still heros in my mind, and this Kermit is not playing nice.  i don't know what she is trying to screw with, or what her motive is.  But in my opinion, "IF" any of this is to be true, I still say it's all good.  Markme as being bad, but I would have done the same thing, and maybe even I have.
 


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 24, 2008, 10:42:07 AM
ocean exploration: on: February 28, 2008, 10:58:40 PM   
I really didn't want to respond to all this but I feel I must. 

Please stop...and carefully think things through here.  You know who I mean.

WHAT do you think you are doing?  What do you seriously think you are going to accomplish with the pics?  Don't you even think to consider for a second that we the search team, who found the trap, supervised it's sampling, recorded that video and others... are ensuring the situation is in proper hands and being taken care of appropriately and completely?   

You are not helping anything by interfering with what you do not fully understand.  Please let the authorities do their jobs without interference.   

Robin should never have posted those pics because of the stir they would cause.  She trusted (mistakenly) people's ethics on a private forum.  One of the reasons (among many) that this case has taken so long to solve is because of the Internet, media, and well intended partially-informed people's ambitions and agendas.  Stay out of business you don't belong in.  You all know I am an ally both in the field and on the net.  I have done my best to both bring success to this case and to keep people informed and updated with what information should be provided.  We the search team have worked extremely hard over a long time.  Many of you have as well.  Let's not let our frustrations get the best of us.  Let us not let our emotions interfere with what we know to be true, and let us not forget who we are and what jobs we have to do.  Let those who are responsible do their jobs.


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 25, 2008, 08:37:11 AM
Kermit's revelations from earlier today:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.400

Reply #408 start there


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: MumInOhio on November 28, 2008, 04:03:24 PM
Please feel free to correct and add…Couldn’t spend any more time looking for the posts after Persistence returned. Don’t have the date that Donations were asked for.

November 2007
11/15/2007-Dave and Tim go see the Persistence-said mid November
11/26/2007-Mobilization of Persistence
11/30/2007-Persistence departs

December 2007
12/15/2007-Persistence arrived Aruba
12/18/2008-Persistence began search
12/24/2007-Located trap
12/25/2007-Tim Miller-Looks like a skull-Dateline video
12/26/2007-Persistence calibrations completed
12/29/2007-Dive Series of Persistence
12/29/2008-Dives-Thumbs Down per Dateline video
12/30/2008-Dives-Thumbs Down? Per transcript. Mos etc on board
12/31/2007-Multiple Dives

January 2008
01/??/2008-Tim and Dave off boat
01/07/2008-Persistence lost Internet Connectivity for 2 days until 1/09
01/07/2008-Trap contents sampled
01/07/2008-Aruban Divers dive from Aruban boat
01/07/2008- And 1/8-New night-time grid searches
01/11/2008-Kyle at HI for 4 days (10-14th of Jan)
01/11/2008-And 01/12 Kyle saw vessel at Persistence location
01/12/2008-Persistence never returned to site of trap after this
01/17/2007-Persistence gets call on “Michelle” in distress

February 2008
02/22/2008-Dateline Show about the sea search

March 2008
03/03/2008-Persistence leaves Aruba
03/20/2008-Private Eye post re blue denim and skull


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: texasmom on November 29, 2008, 08:15:34 AM
Please feel free to correct and add…Couldn’t spend any more time looking for the posts after Persistence returned. Don’t have the date that Donations were asked for.

November 2007
11/15/2007-Dave and Tim go see the Persistence-said mid November
11/26/2007-Mobilization of Persistence
11/30/2007-Persistence departs

December 2007
12/15/2007-Persistence arrived Aruba
12/18/2008-Persistence began search
12/24/2007-Located trap
12/25/2007-Tim Miller-Looks like a skull-Dateline video
12/26/2007-Persistence calibrations completed
12/29/2007-Dive Series of Persistence
12/29/2008-Dives-Thumbs Down per Dateline video
12/30/2008-Dives-Thumbs Down? Per transcript. Mos etc on board
12/31/2007-Multiple Dives

January 2008
01/??/2008-Tim and Dave off boat
01/07/2008-Persistence lost Internet Connectivity for 2 days until 1/09
01/07/2008-Trap contents sampled
01/07/2008-Aruban Divers dive from Aruban boat
01/07/2008- And 1/8-New night-time grid searches
01/11/2008-Kyle at HI for 4 days (10-14th of Jan)
01/11/2008-And 01/12 Kyle saw vessel at Persistence location
01/12/2008-Persistence never returned to site of trap after this
01/17/2007-Persistence gets call on “Michelle” in distress

February 2008
02/22/2008-Dateline Show about the sea search

March 2008
03/03/2008-Persistence leaves Aruba
03/20/2008-Private Eye post re blue denim and skull


Mum,
Thank you for putting together the timeline; that will be very helpful as a reference resource!  My only questions about it are as follows.  If you have information that doesn't agree with mine, don't change anything on my account.  I just wanted to give you my thoughts from my research.  I asked Kyle specifically about the dates of the dives because I had a question as to when the first visual of the actual cage was.  This is the question and response.
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/11232008OEResponsetodivedates.jpg)

If this is fact, it would change the dates of the location of the trap (sonar) to Christmas Day, and Tim Miller's "it looks like a skull" to 12/29/07; visual from ROV dive only as I understand it.  From everything I've read Mos and the others were on board 12/30/07 so that would be the date of the thumbs down imo. 


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 29, 2008, 09:02:41 AM
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There are so many encouraging comments here on just one portion of Kyle's blog.  I brought one of mine and a couple more over from the few days we're talking about. 

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6300940444130343140&postID=4708342715333502082

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carpe said...
Natalee, I pray each and everyday for you to be found. You have an all-star team of angels looking out for you. I think you will be coming home very soon, my dear.
January 6, 2008 10:11 PM

lousw said...
Our anxiety level is high as we patiently sit and wait for the Persistence to find the treasure that they so hope to find, that treasure being one lost, loved young woman named Natalee.
We pray that the quiet inner voice you hear is getting stronger as you near your goal. The whole world is watching and waiting and praying that this may finally be the end of many months of unknowing and immense heartbreak. So many people from all over have written so many wonderful thoughts, prayers and poems for you, the caring and dedicated team of searchers, and for those who made the search possible. It truly shows that there is love in this world that can not be surpassed nor suppressed. This love has been brought forth for all to see because of one beautiful soul, Natalee.
God bless you each and every day as you continue with this effort for Natalee and her families.
January 6, 2008 10:17 PM

texasmom said...
Kyle and Persistence Crew,
Please know that you are in our thoughts and prayers. I know that the seas have been rough and you must be exhausted. You will never know just how grateful so many people are for your heroic efforts. From what I hear one of the suspects and his wife watched from the beach today; I pray that God will find a way to touch their cold hearts and encourage them to do the right thing. God Bless All of You!
January 7, 2008 12:41 AM

******* said...
Hello Persistence!!
Just wanted to send you a friendly greeting from the chilly East Coast USA :)Each day is a new day and I am hoping and praying that Natalee's day is today. We are all proud of you guys and the sacrafice you have made for this young girl.
If you know where Natalee is,then this is the place to send a anonymous message. Natalee was only 18 years old and deserves to be laid to rest back in her home town. Please do whats right.
January 7, 2008 12:59 AM

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Anonymous said...
No posts on Jan 7 or Jan 8 yet from the bloggers or from the site, no update. What is going on?
Waiting in suspence...
January 8, 2008 2:15 PM

Anonymous said...
Is the search over?
January 8, 2008 11:57 PM

Sharon/Tx said...
I hope the seas have calmed and that you and the crew are doing well. Look towards the horizon and the sun and keep your spirits up. I hope you feel the prayers coming your way! Godspeed!
January 9, 2008 7:05 AM

Anonymous said...
Thanks for the update. I was nervous these past 2 days. I would rather you lose internet connection then to hear the search is over.
Thanks for your dedication as the seas are rough. Please becareful.
Yes, as someone else stated.
Anybody that has any information please leave it on here or call anonymous, we all just want to find her.
Good luck Crew on Persistence, we are praying with you!
January 9, 2008 11:49 AM

Anonymous said...
Hi Persistence crew! We are behind you in California. Let's pray together as Americans to bring beautiful Natalee home to Alabama.
I would also like to see the three plus the father punished once and for all for their crimes against a beautiful young woman who had her life in front of her.
Natalee had more potential in her little finger than the collective intelligence, or lack thereor, of that entire stinking island.
January 9, 2008 5:43 PM
 
Anonymous said...
Kyle tell the crew to hang in there and not to get discouraged. I wish I could be there helping you guys out. You guys are in my prayers.
January 9, 2008 5:45 PM

 


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: MumInOhio on November 29, 2008, 03:16:46 PM
You are Welcome TM...I believe you are correct on those two dates.

I noticed reading Kyle's posts that he said it would take 10 to 14 days for equipment to sift sand etc to arrive. The 11th. and 12th. are the dates the Panter was seen at the site. Interesting...Maybe they headed back to Curacao.


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on November 29, 2008, 04:56:44 PM

Fri 04-Jan-1557 hrs
The skies are clear and the winds are strong and steady. Wind 25kts gusting 30+. Seas 5-6ft, with the occasional 10ft+ swell. The seas are too rough to run sonar into the seas, so we shift to a different grid with lines running perpendicular to the dominant swells. Working in side-seas produces somewhat cleaner data, but takes a heavy toll on the crew rolling and heaving about inside the boat.

Brief squall
Sat 05-Jan- 0025 hrs

The wind and seas have not let up at all throughout day and night. Working in the rough conditions is taking its toll on some of the crew. Regardless, spirits and hope remain high as we push onwards. Working in side-seas proved unrealistic. The last resort is to dead-head straight into the seas without recording and acquire data with the swells moving with the vessel. Although time consuming, at least production is maintained even though it is at half the rate.

Many have confused adventure with inconvenience, trading the provocative for status quo. I believe exploration both in terms of our surroundings and within ourselves is the essence of human spirit. When denied, we're left feeling isolated and unknown. When we have the courage to search these depths, we learn the most about who we are and hopefully a thing or two about each other and our surroundings.

Sat 05-Jan-1610 hrs
The Persistence arrived dockside at 0500 hrs after a long night offshore. A few hours sitting still at the dock is revitalizing for a few of the beleaguered crew. Outside, the winds are unrelenting and whip the sea into angry white caps which crash onto the protective reef skirting the harbor. Even the heartiest seabirds have taken cover. The tourist submersible Atlantis VI cancels its evening tour in lieu of being forced backwards by the driving currents. Inside, the Persistence is bustling with the daily chores of living on board a boat. With a whistle and a rumble, the twin Diesels comes alive without complaint. Once they’re warm, the lines are tossed and we’re off.

Jan7,We know thet went down and got evidence because of this picture but Kyle doesn't post
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/2345013517_79c1edfb78_o3.jpg)

Jan8,  nothing reported       

Wed 09-Jan 1816 hrs
All Internet connectivity was lost for two days due to rough seas and equipment failure. The old adage "No news is good news" only applies on land. Offshore, the 'Law of the Sea' rules and no news usually just means "lost contact". The seas were 6-8ft with the occasional 12+ft swell. The past two nights were spent conducting a bathymetry-only survey of the new grid. The new grid more than doubles the original search area. If completed, the total area thoroughly searched will be 80% the size of Aruba. Currently, the seas are calm relative to what we've been experiencing. The four digits posted on the echo-sounder is a reminder of the limits being put to the test.

Every body of water near land has its own unique character, temperament, and color. The nature of water is governed by the trio of land, sea, and sky. The sea surface reflects the sky, the water column contains the turbidity from the land, and the seabed stares upward through the water column as long as the water allows it to. However, as the seabed falls away into the abyss, the color is always the same dark navy blue. Staring into these deep and dark waters reminds me that this island is surrounded by the same water that flows throughout our entire world. On the surface, the expanse of the sea divides us. Looking deeper, it is really what connects us all. Perhaps the sea gives a reflection of human nature and not just the sky.

Thurs 11-Jan 0030 hrs
The bathymetric survey of the new grid is completed. The search area now totals approximately 57 sq miles, compared to the original 22 sq miles.

Maritime map making has long been an integral aspect of ocean exploration. As adventure seeking sea-faring men of old expanded their frontier, master artisans such as Ortelius and Cicero painstakingly plotted their progress. Instead of producing drab plots where form follows function, they used their artistry to produce meaningful navigation aids and passionately capture the spirit of exploration into their product. Areas of the yet-unknown are filled with caricatures of sea monsters and mermaids.

Today, a new generation of maritime map making, perhaps ushered in by Heezen and Tharpe, provides a new look into the abyss. Hand-painted murals with Latin place names are now replaced with computer generated 3D perspective views with satellite imagery. The old merchant ships and frigates that once sailed these waters charting coastlines and reefs claimed by the sea can now be found and mapped. It's an interesting connection between the old and new and we sail the same seas.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/date.jpg)


Flashback: Sat 12-Jan 2000 hrs
Line by line through the night and day, the captain, navigator and I evade the beast. My eyes are focused and hands steady at the controls as the captain brings the Persistence around on line for one last joust through the Leviathan’s lair. Communication is clear and concise. The teamwork between the operator, navigator and boat captain is crucial to our success. The towfish descends where the sentient beast is waiting and ready. This time, the beast reluctantly submits and the Leviathan retreats to its lair after being bested time and time again. The Persistence claims the victory.

A prolonged operation of any kind at or near their limits often leads to trouble and breakdown. The Persistence has operated under strenuous conditions for over a month without incident, failure, or breakdown of any kind. After the battle with the beast, the Persistence heads to the dock for some needed preventative equipment maintenance and rest for the crew. A couple days rest after nearly a month without ceasing is a welcome break for all.

Sat 12-Jan 1340 hrs

The progress of the past couple nights embolden the search team and fortified our confidence to begin work on the deepest portion of the search area. After the bathymetric survey, a plan of attack was drafted and we set out into the depths. The previous search areas gave us the impression the seabed was a worn, tired, old beast with a relatively subdued attitude and benign character. However, adventuring into the depths brought us straight into the grasp of a much different beast. We found ourselves in the lair of the Leviathan.

Descending into the depths, 3000 ft+ of cable spools off the winch. The Persistence slows as the towfish fades far behind the boat. After a long while, the seabed- smooth and welcoming begins to come into range. We descend further, but proceed with a tense sense of danger. It's suddenly clear the beast was waiting for us with baited breath. The towfish narrowly escapes being devoured, skirting between several massive fang-like rocks. A large curled stony-tongue extrudes beneath the sonar, passing through the beast's jaws. The Persistence quickly fires the throttles forward vaulting the sonar away from the sea floor. Without hesitation, the mighty beast gives chase with surprising agility. Skimming over ancient carbonate spines and a bifurcated tail of current-quarried rock the towfish takes flight, besting the Leviathan.

With the lessons and limits learned from the first pass, we strategically withdraw before moving in for the fight. Line by line, the Leviathan and the Persistence battle all night and through the morning. The beast knows that with one slip the towfish belongs to him. We know that if our assault is flawless, the Leviathan will yield its secrets.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 11:44 AM 29 comments 
Labels: Aruba, Aruba missing girl, Natalee Holloway, Search for Natalee Holloway, Sonar Search
Wednesday, January 2, 2008
X. Persistence
Fri 12-Jan 1145 hrs
The seas calmed down dramatically since Wednesday. Last night was smooth sailing and saw double the progress of the previous nights.










Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 02, 2008, 06:02:51 PM
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Let me see if I comprehend the implications of Kyle's words when compared what the forum was privy to in the past couple of weeks ...

Shaefer sold images that reveal  nothing significant in regards to the Natalee Holloway case for "big bucks" and ... Kyle attempted to sell these images which revealed nothing significant to the Natalee Holloway case to major networks.

It does not make sense.

 

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: Today at 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #558 on: November 24, 2008, 06:11:09 PM »

<snipped>

1 - Shaefer sold the rights to these images for BIG BUCKS
 
2 - Kyle tried to sell the rights to those images to major US networks in Feb 2008
 
3 - John Silvetti had plans to open an office on Aruba this past spring.
 
4 - John Silvetti  discounted anything and everything about that fish trap - before anyone even dove on it.
 
5 - Louis Shaefer reorganized his company in JANUARY 2008 - coincidental timing?  Doubtful.
 
6 - Kyle wanted help to get this info to Beth and to the public.  Then he stalled, lied, threatened, to stop that from happening.
 
7 - This information was sent to:  Beth, JQK and the FBI by NO ONE connected to the Persistence search.  EVER.
 
THEY ALL KEPT THIS INFORMATION FROM NATALEE'S FAMILY, AND FROM THE FBI
 
WHY?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555865#msg555865


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #408 on: November 24, 2008, 03:59:08 PM »

Tim Miller:  It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.  In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


Click to view recently released photos given to Kermit by Kyle.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618
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Very interesting to say the least!!Again i ask myself?Why would any TV network want to buy those photos,and or footage "IF" it didn't pertain to the Natalee Holloway case???Doesn't make any sense to me either..........
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First of all.......can anyone believe that the crew members of the Persistence
let that fish trap, with what looked like a scull in it, sit there for a week waiting for the
Aruban divers to show up?  I wouldn't have. And I would have probably taken
a sample of what was there.
If Silvetti sold his footage.......he probably had some proof.
Kyle didn't have any proof and therefore did not make his sale. He just had pictures
of a fish trap with what looked like somebody's remains.


   


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: MumInOhio on December 04, 2008, 07:37:15 AM
Just adding for when I correct the time-line...

Tim, Dave and Dateline not on board on January 7th.

Email to Dave on January 12th.

February 29th - AF2 lands in Aruba

February 29th - Kyle said they would be without Internet for 2 days.

Please correct me if I get things wrong.


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 04, 2008, 12:20:23 PM
Kermit's Posts

Photos given to the FBI sent to Dave and Robin posted on the internet are NOT the photos posted above.
These were not given to the FBI until recently.
_________________________________________
The last photo is not intended to upset anyone, but I think it clearly shows from the positioning of the skull found inside the cage and material (blue material) found inside that cage that Natalee was found. The grave robbers are the people involved in taking evidence and with holding it
____________________________________________
What I understand about CAPS is he showed up around the date the Persistence was there, he signed on to sm.
When the photos of the pond were posted John Silvetti got very upset and according to oe, said that Caps was on an ego trip to solve the case and that he was unemployed. Then he sent OE out of the country for work & income.
____________________________________________

The answer to your question and what disturbed me greatly was that OE said he did not share it with the FBI. He only gave them the 6 pictures that he accused Red of posting here.
__________________________________________
Oceanexplorationis Kyle he was on the boat) said that he withheld the information because he was afraid of Louis Schaefer sueing him.
He also said Louis Schaefer is doing a documentary on the Natalee Holloway case.
As you may be aware, Louis Schaefer sold off millions of dollars of his stock in his company and then
bought other companies and filed bankruptcy on them. Is this a good business man or is he a questionable business man
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.
___________________________________

Anyone who wants to be angry and hate me or doubt me I guess it's their prerogative,
 but as you said, "unconscionable" -  that is how I felt. How can a person withhold evidence of what appears to be a cover-up of evidence in a murder.   I was told so many lies, that it became apparent OE was not going to do the right thing.
______________________________________


For me, I think this proves they were covering-up all along right from the beginning.
That is why the searches began away from where Natalee was last seen. And not at the van der Sloot or Kalpoe home. That is why they arrested the innocent Security Guards. That is why the Range Rover confession led to them being released. That is why Dompig didn't return Tim Millers request to dive/search. That is the answer to all our whys?

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From what I know, the evidence was taken by the Aruban divers.
Dolph Richardson is in charge
And
Hans Mos.

I don't think revealing this information is going to bring Natalee home. It saddens me greatly. That is what we all worked for. But the cover-up and corruption is so obvious, how can we get truth. Look what I went through just to post this information. Threats, name-calling, Kyle said,  "you just want your 15 minutes of fame" in an email to me.
I mean, come on, doesn't Kyle know that Kermit has been famous since the 80s?


She helped bring down President Carter
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Oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.   The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Yes he did tell us that.
He also said that everything Holloway was stripped from the boat by John Silvetti.
And he also said he only sent the 6 pictures he accused Red of posting at SM only to the fbi.
Not the ones posted here now.
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He was emailing dave about his theories. (he has several)
Then he contacted John Silvetti.
They met.
BUT I do know from watching both him and Kyle they do show up here consistently together.
Clyde Burke is the Aruban polis leak to them. (off the top of my head).
Kyle asked me about him and Destiny(is a poster at SM) and wanted what I had on them.
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Oceanexploration said that it is due to scavengers. There is also a blue tarp found not too far from the cage. Again, due to scavengers. I think it was bestbuddy of Classen Investigations that took a photo of a blue tarp by the Fisherman's huts. Seems feasible someone wrapped her body in that blue tarp.
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My understanding of that is, the tapes from the ROV, the logs of who was on board etc.
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'm pretty sure this was done to distract from the real truth. And it was someone who either knows the polis and that is how they were getting information, or it was done purposely by the polis. We know they watched all the blogs and websites from early on. FBI too!
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That might be true, but look at the photo and the match to Natalee from the skull to the piece of blue material.
Is that a coincidence? I don't know. Must be a lot of druggies in jeans that size then with a small skull.
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You won't find much of what I am telling you posted here.
It's from insider knowledge.
So I guess you have to go out on a limb and trust what I am saying. Or not.
I'm not offended either way.
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Forensic's should have been done.
But keep in mind, Tim Miller saw it and said, "It looks like a skull".
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I've only been able to piece together that a pipeline project, sell of Aruba refinery and John Silvetti went back to Aruba to set up a business so he could do business with South America. I guess it's a matter of just watching what happens next.
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It wasn't very far off the coast of Aruba. Remember Oceanexploration said he saw the Aruban Coast diver boat there when he was off shore one time. It concerned him. So you could see where the dive took place from shore, not that far off shore
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http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/2345841784_52614dbecb_o2.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/2345013517_79c1edfb78_o3.jpg



http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/2345840954_e00aee9854_o4.jpg
made bigger loots like her shirt

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/denbag.jpg



The Aruban Divers ONLY took the evidence.
Tim Miller was off the ship.
They retrieved the evidence from the cage. The cage that we were told had nothing, remember.
Then 6 photos were uploaded (given to Dave by FBI) his wife, Robin posted them on her site.
OE accused Red of posting them.
These photos were NOT turned over to the FBI until recently and not by OE.
The ship asked for donations to continue the search for Natalee and then returned home.
John Silvetti returned to Aruba to set up a business in Aruba with South America.

Seems like a cover-up to me when the authorities don't turn over evidence in their possession.
Maybe not???
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Hopefully, having the truth will give peace to those who have followed this case and some closure.
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Yes, he was very concerned when Mos gave his public message that the material didn't match.
It appears that the word used by MOS was exactly what the FBI said in their report, therefore,
not the blue denium. That is why private eye was asking OE about it?
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The dateline show aired and it was stated, not remains.
However, look again at those photos.
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Kyle sent those 6 pictures to the FBI, Dave asked him for them. He didn't give them to him. The FBI did, then Robin posted them on her webiste and then Kyle accused Red of posting them on SM and they had an argument.

1 - Shaefer sold the rights to these images for BIG BUCKS
 
2 - Kyle tried to sell the rights to those images to major US networks in Feb 2008
 
3 - John Silvetti had plans to open an office on Aruba this past spring.
 
4 - John Silvetti  discounted anything and everything about that fish trap - before anyone even dove on it.
 
5 - Louis Shaefer reorganized his company in JANUARY 2008 - coincidental timing?  Doubtful.
 
6 - Kyle wanted help to get this info to Beth and to the public.  Then he stalled, lied, threatened, to stop that from happening.
 
7 - This information was sent to:  Beth, JQK and the FBI by NO ONE connected to the Persistence search.  EVER.
 
THEY ALL KEPT THIS INFORMATION FROM NATALEE'S FAMILY, AND FROM THE FBI
 
WHY?
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Dates of the dives.
The Jan 7th dive, was ONLY ARUBAN DIVERS

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6 photos given to the FBI.
Dave asked Kyle for the photos, he did not give them to dave.
Dave to them from the FBI and those were the photos that Robin put on her website.
THESE  photos posted now have not been given to the FBI by anyone from the Persistence

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he logs were on board the Persistence and stripped when it returned back to USA.
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yeah, why was everyone ushered off the boat and ONLY Aruban divers allowed.
They didn't know the ROV was still filming them. They don't know about these photos.
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Peace in that you know what happened I guess.
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So, how long have JQK and the family been clued in to what REALLY happened? I'm guessing late may or June by what PI was asking.
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I forget the date off the top of my head. BUT PI was aware.
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http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/map.jpg
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John Silvetti told OE that CAPS was unemployed and in this for his ego.
(NOT me).
When the pictures of the pond appeared, John Silvetti accused OE of posting them at SM, so to defend himself, OE wanted help to find out who was who, specifically who was the leak in LE and who is Destiny.
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Will this now give the FBI the ability to question Silvetti,and or everyone of the persistence Crew Kermit???


They are in possession of this information now.
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From memory OE said that one of the bags contained material, in addition to the other bag that contained what appears to be blue material.
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Klassend,

If you have time or when you have time, you can take the picture of the cage (the one hodges posted because I think that is the dimensions close to the actual cage) and place it on the Gottenbros boat. I believe it will fit.
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What proof is there that Kyle tried to sell the rights to the crab trap photos? If true, that is some real bush league stuff right there.
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Kyle told me.

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private eye beth's brother  March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,

Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.
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APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
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Dec. 20 Caps registered at SM, dive at cage takes place
Jan 7 - Aruba divers collect evidence from trap
Jan 9 - 14 - Kyle is off the ship staying at Holiday Inn, then Kyle posts saying met a witness
Jan 11 - Kyle sees a ship around the dive site
Jan 17 - Caps puts his first post at SM
Jan 22 - leak the persistence found something
Jan 27-29 - Kyles IP shows up Atlanta
Jan 30 - Caps emails Dave
January 30 - I started to look at the case of Natalee on Dec 22, 2007 and I wrote a research report that was send to the FBI
I send it to klaasend for review and that's how I got here. The results was a place that everyone overlooked.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg333988#msg333988

Feb 27 - Sonar used on Pond
February 28, 2008, 07:24:57 PM
My C.S.I Degree from the University of Cryptologic consist of Simian 101, Simian 102, and Strategic Cryptology science given by Prof. Clyde Burk.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg357022#msg357022




March 20 - Private eye asks kyle about the "material revovered versus what was rec'd"
March 29 - The witness watched our efforts and as a result, wanted to open up to us, through John S.
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I have it documented of Kyle trying to sell the images to the network producers.
Kyle told me that Louis Schafer was making money of the documentary about Natalee.
If you believe the information was kept under lock and key, then answer the question why would Kyle be out trying to sell the images? See it doesn't add up.
I can only surmise Kyles motivation to make money off of the images and that is so that he would have money and not worry about John Silvetti cutting him off. Afterall, John is his boss.

As for Louis Schafer, he sold off his shares of stock in his company making millions of dollars. Then he resigned from the company leaving the stock holders holding the defunct company. THEN he went and bought himself a Charter boat business - it was some family guy's business and he thought selling to Schafer would help his business. Schafer filed bankruptcy on that poor guys family business.

Just go read the litigation against Schafer and see what you think of his business dealings and how the stockholders have a class action lawsuit against him.

He needed MONEY is what I think. So he kept the information and they tried to strike deals.
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What I know is: I gave a very detailed document that was given to Kathy & Clauseens (aka bestbuddy) when they went to Aruba. I later learned that it was turned over to DOMPIG. I thought it was Dave who turned it to Dompig. My gosh, it had so much information in that it isn't funny.

Rob, may know more then I do about that.
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Look for one day just stop behaving like a nutball.

KYLE TRIED TO SELL THOSE PHOTOS
and Louis Schafer has sold it to a documentary.
If you think for one minute that Kyle was helping the family by not putting the photos on the interenet, then you better click on the pictures and realize it is HIS link to HIS flicker account and HE was shopping the pictures around for MONEY.
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Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.



Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 04, 2008, 07:40:52 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on December 03, 2008, 10:37:42 PM

The following is a compilation of quotes derived from emails communication between Kermit and Kyle.

Janet
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Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: march 18, 2008:  If you want, you can get Red from SM off my back. I really don't like that guy. He thinks he knows what's going on but doesn't have a clue. I first saw the pics on the SM home page and fired off an email to Red believing that he would be understanding and help provide answers. I quickly found out what happened on my own and dealt with it. I could not believe his response.

~Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: None of us gave any statements to the authorities after the 29th. It's possible John Silvetti did, because he was the only one conversing with them after Jan 7th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »

Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #902 on: Today at 03:09:00 AM »

Kyle said: "The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat."

Kyle said: "They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th"

Kyle said: " John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis"

Kyle said: "John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word"

Kyle said: "John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability"

Kyle said: "John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again."

June 10, 2008 = Kyle states: “He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564763#msg564763


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #903 on: Today at 03:12:23 AM »

Kyle said: "Schafer is sue crazy."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564766;topicseen#msg564766


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #897 on: Today at 03:02:28 AM »

Kyle: “I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564753;topicseen#msg564753


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #883 on: Today at 02:39:52 AM »

Kyle said: " We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564707#msg564707


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »

Kyle said: "The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »

Kyle said: "We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »

Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: Today at 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #882 on: Today at 02:36:28 AM »

Kyle said: "Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564701;topicseen#msg564701


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #802 on: December 02, 2008, 05:16:26 PM »

Kyle said: “The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564125;topicseen#msg564125


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #642 on: November 25, 2008, 10:12:27 PM »

May 8, 2008 = from Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

May 19, 2008 = from Kyle:
"I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana

JUNE 10, 2008 = from Kyle:
He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557914;topicseen#msg557914


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #635 on: November 25, 2008, 10:06:58 PM »

from Kyle: "It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557906;topicseen#msg557906


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 04, 2008, 07:55:22 PM
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« Reply #653 on: Today at 06:41:26 PM »   Quote Modify Remove Split Topic

Kyle stated: "He [John Silvetti] knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Kyle stated:: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

Kyle stated: "He{John Silvetti]  says: "Mos is inept and treated like a mushroom"

Kyle stated: "On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop."


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 04, 2008, 07:59:33 PM
Kermit
Hotshot to Kyle:
 Hi there, and good to see you here at the SM site.  It was me who sent that cryptic message to your blog, sorry about all that.  Its just one of the things that we dealt with here early on in the case.  It looked to be someone in the know.  You can take it down if you wish, I just thought it might be of some help.  But once again, I praise the work you guys are doing, and wish I could be there myself to help with the search.  My prayers are with all of you for a great outcome.  Hey, remember, there really are pirates out there!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2429.msg315194#msg315194

Hotshot
 Reply #258 on: November 21, 2008, 10:53:44 PM »
CAPS knows Silvetti from meI was the one who told CAPS to go to the ship and wait for John.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.240



Hotshot -
 You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS.

BUT then
Hotshot agrees with what Kermit has posted:
the persistance did tape who and what took all the baggies. 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.280


Kyle stated: "John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further."


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.660
   


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 04, 2008, 08:03:30 PM
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According to the experts, YES she was in the cage.


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 04, 2008, 08:04:24 PM
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Quote from: johan555 on Today at 07:06:47 PM
Kermit
Are the underwater photos made by proffesionals ?


It was the ROV filming and screenshots made from that video tape.


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 04, 2008, 08:31:12 PM
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The following is the first updated compilation of quotes derived from emails communication between Kermit and Kyle.

Janet
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Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: march 18, 2008:  If you want, you can get Red from SM off my back. I really don't like that guy. He thinks he knows what's going on but doesn't have a clue. I first saw the pics on the SM home page and fired off an email to Red believing that he would be understanding and help provide answers. I quickly found out what happened on my own and dealt with it. I could not believe his response.

~Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: None of us gave any statements to the authorities after the 29th. It's possible John Silvetti did, because he was the only one conversing with them after Jan 7th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »

Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #902 on: Today at 03:09:00 AM »

Kyle said: "The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat."

Kyle said: "They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th"

Kyle said: " John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis"

Kyle said: "John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word"

Kyle said: "John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability"

Kyle said: "John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again."

June 10, 2008 = Kyle states: “He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564763#msg564763


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #903 on: Today at 03:12:23 AM »

Kyle said: "Schafer is sue crazy."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564766;topicseen#msg564766


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #897 on: Today at 03:02:28 AM »

Kyle: “I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564753;topicseen#msg564753


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #883 on: Today at 02:39:52 AM »

Kyle said: " We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564707#msg564707


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »

Kyle said: "The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »

Kyle said: "We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »

Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: Today at 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #882 on: Today at 02:36:28 AM »

Kyle said: "Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564701;topicseen#msg564701


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #802 on: December 02, 2008, 05:16:26 PM »

Kyle said: “The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564125;topicseen#msg564125


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #642 on: November 25, 2008, 10:12:27 PM »

May 8, 2008 = from Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

May 19, 2008 = from Kyle:
"I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana

JUNE 10, 2008 = from Kyle:
He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557914;topicseen#msg557914


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #635 on: November 25, 2008, 10:06:58 PM »

from Kyle: "It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557906;topicseen#msg557906


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #663 on: Today at 09:55:44 PM »

Kyle stated: "John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg566856;topicseen#msg566856
..http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg566931#msg566931


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: MumInOhio on December 05, 2008, 01:37:48 PM
Please feel free to correct and add…Couldn’t spend any more time looking for the posts after Persistence returned. Don’t have the date that Donations were asked for.

November 2007
11/15/2007-Dave and Tim go see the Persistence-said mid November
11/26/2007-Mobilization of Persistence
11/30/2007-Persistence departs

December 2007
12/15/2007-Persistence arrived Aruba
12/18/2008-Persistence began search
12/24/2007-Located trap
12/25/2007-Tim Miller-Looks like a skull-Dateline video
12/26/2007-Persistence calibrations completed
12/29/2007-Dive Series of Persistence
12/30/2008-Dives-Thumbs Down-  Mos etc on board
12/31/2007-Multiple ROV Dives

January 2008
01/07/2008-Tim and Dave off boat
01/07/2008-Persistence lost Internet Connectivity for 2 days until 1/09
01/07/2008-Trap contents sampled
01/07/2008-Aruban Divers dive from Aruban boat
01/07/2008- And 1/8-New night-time grid searches
01/11/2008-Kyle at HI for 4 days (10-14th of Jan)
01/11/2008-And 01/12 Kyle saw vessel at Persistence location
01/12/2008-Email to Dave
01/12/2008-Persistence never returned to site of trap after this
01/17/2007-Persistence gets call on “Michelle” in distress

February 2008
02/22/2008-Dateline Show about the sea search
02/29/2008-Kyle said they would be without internet for 2 or 3 days
02/29/2008-AF2 Arrives in Aruba

March 2008
03/03/2008-Persistence leaves Aruba
03/20/2008-Private Eye post re blue denim and skull



Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: MumInOhio on December 05, 2008, 01:39:46 PM
Please feel free to correct and add…Couldn’t spend any more time looking for the posts after Persistence returned. Don’t have the date that Donations were asked for.

November 2007
11/15/2007-Dave and Tim go see the Persistence-said mid November
11/26/2007-Mobilization of Persistence
11/30/2007-Persistence departs

December 2007
12/15/2007-Persistence arrived Aruba
12/18/2008-Persistence began search
12/24/2007-Located trap
12/25/2007-Tim Miller-Looks like a skull-Dateline video
12/26/2007-Persistence calibrations completed
12/29/2007-Dive Series of Persistence
12/29/2008-Dives-Thumbs Down per Dateline video
12/30/2008-Dives-Thumbs Down? Per transcript. Mos etc on board
12/31/2007-Multiple Dives

January 2008
01/??/2008-Tim and Dave off boat
01/07/2008-Persistence lost Internet Connectivity for 2 days until 1/09
01/07/2008-Trap contents sampled
01/07/2008-Aruban Divers dive from Aruban boat
01/07/2008- And 1/8-New night-time grid searches
01/11/2008-Kyle at HI for 4 days (10-14th of Jan)
01/11/2008-And 01/12 Kyle saw vessel at Persistence location
01/12/2008-Persistence never returned to site of trap after this
01/17/2007-Persistence gets call on “Michelle” in distress

February 2008
02/22/2008-Dateline Show about the sea search

March 2008
03/03/2008-Persistence leaves Aruba
03/20/2008-Private Eye post re blue denim and skull


Mum,
Thank you for putting together the timeline; that will be very helpful as a reference resource!  My only questions about it are as follows.  If you have information that doesn't agree with mine, don't change anything on my account.  I just wanted to give you my thoughts from my research.  I asked Kyle specifically about the dates of the dives because I had a question as to when the first visual of the actual cage was.  This is the question and response.
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/11232008OEResponsetodivedates.jpg)

If this is fact, it would change the dates of the location of the trap (sonar) to Christmas Day, and Tim Miller's "it looks like a skull" to 12/29/07; visual from ROV dive only as I understand it.  From everything I've read Mos and the others were on board 12/30/07 so that would be the date of the thumbs down imo. 

Bump to edit timeline.


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 05, 2008, 05:41:43 PM
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           Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #137 on: Today at 01:07:13 PM »

Let me help you understand so that you do not mis-interpret what I have said to Jug or anyone else.

Beth was told between Christmas and New Years eve they found something and she thought it was going to be Natalee.
This was Tim Miller who saw a skull.
He called and the family. THEN the VISUAL ONLY DIVE was said to be not Natalee.
Later, Tim was ushered off the boat by John Silvetti.
And ARUBA ONLY divers went down on JANUARY 7th. The ROV was filming them.
They had no idea that these photos existed. Jug didn't know. Beth didn't know. Dave didn't know. Tim Miller didn't know.

1. I never, ever said that the family has Natalee's body

2. Klye stated: " We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."

3. Kyle stated: "neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge."

4. Kyle stated: "John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship."


5. Now you may or may not trust, believe, or interpret the information. But, I am going to expose more soon.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;msg=567929;topic=4209.120;sesc=ba5eba69b615891494e32f7f17d8b8ea


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: MumInOhio on December 05, 2008, 05:53:22 PM
    
Please feel free to correct and add…Couldn’t spend any more time looking for the posts after Persistence returned. Don’t have the date that Donations were asked for.

November 2007
11/15/2007-Dave and Tim go see the Persistence-said mid November
11/26/2007-Mobilization of Persistence
11/30/2007-Persistence departs

December 2007
12/15/2007-Persistence arrived Aruba
12/18/2007-Persistence began search
12/25/2007-Located trap
12/25/2007-Tim Miller-Looks like a skull-Dateline video
12/26/2007-Persistence calibrations completed
12/29/2007-Dive Series of Persistence
12/30/2007-Dives-Thumbs Down - Mos etc on board
12/31/2007-Multiple ROV Dives

January 2008
01/07/2008-Tim and Dave off boat
01/07/2008-Persistence lost Internet Connectivity for 2 days until 1/09
01/07/2008-Trap contents sampled
01/07/2008-Aruban Divers dive from Aruban boat
01/07/2008-And 1/8-New night-time grid searches
01/11/2008-Kyle at HI for 4 days (10-14th of Jan)
01/11/2008-And 01/12 Kyle saw vessel at Persistence location
01/12/2008-Email to Dave
01/12/2008-Persistence never returned to site of trap after this
01/17/2008-Persistence gets call on “Michelle” in distress

February 2008
02/22/2008-Dateline Show about the sea search
02/29/2008-Kyle said they would be without internet for 2 or 3 days
02/29/2008-AF2 Arrives in Aruba

March 2008
03/03/2008-Persistence leaves Aruba
03/20/2008-Private Eye post re blue denim and skull



Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 05, 2008, 05:53:52 PM
The following is the second  updated compilation of quotes derived from emails communication between Kermit and Kyle.

Janet

________

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »


From Kyle: march 18, 2008:  If you want, you can get Red from SM off my back. I really don't like that guy. He thinks he knows what's going on but doesn't have a clue. I first saw the pics on the SM home page and fired off an email to Red believing that he would be understanding and help provide answers. I quickly found out what happened on my own and dealt with it. I could not believe his response.

~Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »


From Kyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »


From Kyle: None of us gave any statements to the authorities after the 29th. It's possible John Silvetti did, because he was the only one conversing with them after Jan 7th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »


From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »


Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #902 on: Today at 03:09:00 AM »


Kyle said: "The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat."

Kyle said: "They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th"

Kyle said: " John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis"

Kyle said: "John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word"

Kyle said: "John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability"

Kyle said: "John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again."

June 10, 2008 = Kyle states: “He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564763#msg564763


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #903 on: Today at 03:12:23 AM »


Kyle said: "Schafer is sue crazy."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564766;topicseen#msg564766


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #897 on: Today at 03:02:28 AM »


Kyle: “I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564753;topicseen#msg564753


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #883 on: Today at 02:39:52 AM »


Kyle said: " We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564707#msg564707


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »


Kyle said: "The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »


Kyle said: "We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »


Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: Today at 07:06:45 PM »


From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #882 on: Today at 02:36:28 AM »


Kyle said: "Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564701;topicseen#msg564701


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #802 on: December 02, 2008, 05:16:26 PM »


Kyle said: “The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564125;topicseen#msg564125


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #642 on: November 25, 2008, 10:12:27 PM »


May 8, 2008 = from Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

May 19, 2008 = from Kyle:
"I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana

JUNE 10, 2008 = from Kyle:
He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557914;topicseen#msg557914


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #635 on: November 25, 2008, 10:06:58 PM »


from Kyle: "It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557906;topicseen#msg557906


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #663 on: Today at 09:55:44 PM »


Kyle stated: "John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg566856;topicseen#msg566856


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #137 on: Today at 04:07:13 PM »


Klye stated: " We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."

Kyle stated: "neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge."

Kyle stated: "John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.120


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 05, 2008, 06:19:21 PM
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           Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #257 on: Today at 03:51:47 PM »   Quote Modify Remove Split Topic

private eye March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.440


Kyle said: I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 05, 2008, 06:22:51 PM
private eye March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.440


Kyle said: I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).





Hi Kermit! Where was the blue denim supposed to be in the cage? I'm coloring!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Let me say that is awesome work you just did on that photo.

Kyle said: "
Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

- I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs.
- I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location.
- Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle said: “- I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head,

to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed.

Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items

The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2284/2350003000_a19516d71e_o.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 05, 2008, 06:25:07 PM
Kermit, If you are still here, who said the remains or DNA was Natalee?  I understand the FBI said the fabric they received was not her blouse but who said the remains were her?

And worse yet, I thought they compared the denim to her blouse and said THAT was not a match.

I have a headache from this!

I know it is confusing.

I just posted the photo that was done by Kyle with measurements and his expertise in underwater ROV videos who took the screenshot and also did the overlay of the photo from Natalee on the beach. It matches where the denim skirt was found. In his own words.

The material sent to the fbi was sent by Aruba. It did not match. NOTHING was ever said about the blue denim material to my knowledge being tested.


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 05, 2008, 06:37:00 PM
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           Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #295 on: Today at 04:27:24 PM »   Quote Modify Remove Split Topic

Quote from: SS on Today at 04:14:52 PM
Kermit - I have understood that you gave the photographs of the cage contents to Beth, after Kyle chose not to.  Obviously you have had discussions about the cage contents with Beth and/or the other H/Ts.  Why is Jug so certain that the remains in the cage were not Natalee.  Did they have froensic evaluations done on anything from the cage?

I can only assume because I am not privy to the conversation Jug is having with Idstlou.
I think he is only getting the information that she tells him and I can tell from her posts that she is either confused it on purpose or actually is confused or she might be wanting everyone to focus on anything but that cage. I don't know. I'm just telling the truth of what I know to be.

To me, the photos speak for themselves. How many skeletons in a fish trap fit the measurements of someone missing and a blue denim material found and blue tarp etc.


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: klaasend on December 06, 2008, 11:01:04 PM
Sorry if I upset anyone with this but I just found it where Blonde is putting all the details, it was written by Kermit.

What I know is: I gave a very detailed document that was given to Kathy & Clauseens (aka bestbuddy) when they went to Aruba. I later learned that it was turned over to DOMPIG. I thought it was Dave who turned it to Dompig. My gosh, it had so much information in that it isn't funny.

Rob, may know more then I do about that.
First of all I want to know what you sent us with, I didn't even know who you were until last week.  Second of all, the only thing given to Dompig was a piece of that goop from the dunes area of rocks, and that wasn't by me, that was by TM.  There were 2 pieces of it.  That was why the dunes was shut down while we were there for another search of the dunes.  So now that we have this straight, what would Rob know if he doesn't talk to me?  What was so detailed that you would let it go?  And who did you give it to?  It was not me.  The only thing I got before leaving was a camcorder from Funnysmart, and that was returned to her along with a copy of what I filmed.  Do not get me mixed up with other people.  IF you gave it to BB, she didn't see Dompig either, so I don't know where you are getting this info from.  Please do take that off this site.  And leave me alone, you are now considered harassing me.


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 03:56:07 PM
http://silvettigroup.com/Arubapix/index.html?detectflash=false&

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Media.html

more pictures


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:26:21 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:26:48 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:27:09 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:27:28 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:27:59 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:28:24 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:28:46 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:29:15 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:29:39 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:29:57 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:30:20 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:30:47 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/aruba4.jpg)


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:31:11 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:31:31 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:31:50 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:45:00 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:45:18 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:45:40 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:46:03 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:46:28 PM
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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:47:05 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/aruba21.jpg)


http://silvettigroup.com/Arubapix/index.html?detectflash=false&


Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 09, 2008, 04:54:40 PM
VIDEO'S AT THIS LINK:
http://www.silvettigroup.com/Media.html


http://www.silvettigroup.com/Arubapix/index.html

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(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l5/2NJSons_Mom/cage1.jpg)

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Title: Re: The Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on December 10, 2008, 09:11:21 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/coastguard.jpg)


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on January 14, 2009, 02:05:15 PM
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KYLE

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Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on January 15, 2009, 03:09:07 PM
http://www.iberianet.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/news/news00.txt

From here to Aruba

BY JEFF MOORE, THE DAILY IBERIAN
Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:37 PM CST

An expedition to search the waters off Aruba for the remains of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway leaves today from the Port of Iberia.

The research vessel Persistence, owned by the Lafayette-based Silvetti Group, will make the 10-day journey to the island. A 20- to 25-man crew will spend at least two weeks surveying the sea floor for Holloway, who has been missing since May 30, 2005.

Holloway, 18, was last seen leaving a bar with three men hours before she was scheduled to fly home with high school classmates celebrating their graduation.

Last week, police re-arrested the three men, prompting her father to re-launch the search in deep waters.

John Silvetti said his company became involved in the search after he was contacted by Louis Schaefer, chairman of Superior Offshore International. Schaefer had been approached by Texas Equusearch, a non-profit organization that has been searching for Holloway for more than two years.

Schaefer asked Silvetti if he could provide the survey personnel and the geophysical equipment required for the search. After spending a weekend with Schaefer and Pam and Dave Holloway, Silvetti agreed.

“It ripped my heart out to hear them say that right now all they’re looking for is to have a funeral in Alabama,” Silvetti said. “What do you say to someone like that?”

Silvetti agreed to provide his equipment and primary survey vessel at well below cost, with Schaefer covering all out-of-pocket expenses. Silvetti said his staff volunteered its services for the project as well.

“They said ‘You don’t even have to pay me. I just want to help,’” Silvetti said. “That just tells me we’ve got the right people on board.”

Marc Broussard, project manager for the Silvetti Group, said the company normally performs surveys looking for oil rigs and downed helicopters. Now, it will be using its high-resolution SONAR equipment to look for a body.

To upgrade its systems for the terrain in Aruba, Broussard said the Silvetti Group looked to its vendors, two of which are based in New Iberia.

Seatronics, located at the Port of Iberia, agreed to donate some of its high-tech electronic equipment to scan the ocean floor.

“I told (Silvetti) any opportunity that we had to go in on such a good cause, we would go in on it,” said Erik McGuire, vice president of Seatronics Inc.

“We’re more than happy to give the best effort possible to recover this girl for her family.”

Pro Log Inc. also stepped forth to provide a command center building where all of the surveying equipment will be stored. Like many people around the country, Pro Log Human Resources Director Heidi Parker said she has been following Holloway’s disappearance closely.

“We’re a family-owned business, so family is very important to us,” Parker said. “Anything we can do to help this family out is something that we’re going to do.”

After more than two years of searching, Texas Equusearch office manager Cheryl Lawless said she is hoping the organization’s fifth trip to Aruba will be its last. She said the venture would not be possible without the help of Schaefer, Silvetti and the other local companies.

“Nothing is being done to gain name recognition. This is to help these people,” Silvetti said. “Most of us have watched this on television, and I can only imagine the horror any parent would go through searching for their child in a foreign country.”


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on January 24, 2009, 08:11:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CFkZzKBviM&feature=related

ARUBA RV PERSISTENCE MAY HAVE TO GO HOME WITHOUT NATALEE

Listen closely to what Tim says about the fabric....felt sure they found MORE THAN FABRIC!!!!


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on February 02, 2009, 07:21:57 PM
March 1 - RV Persistence announced it is leaving Aruba
March 3 - John meets with Caps
March 3 - Kyle learns that the screen shots he sent to the FBI - the FBI sent to Dave and Dave's wife, Robin posted them on the internet.
March 12 the persistence gets back to Louisiana
March 16 - In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer.
March 18 - Kyle says: "the tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.
March 18 - Caps has spoken to John and John is in contact with Mos
March 18 - Kyle says that it is the pond near the soccer field that Caps is talkinga bout was the one searched by RV Persistence crew
March is when Kyle started asking Freebirds about the boat and the size of boat that it would take to carry a cage like htat.
March 18, 2008, 09:10:45 PM Kyle posts at scared monkeys that he personally
does not feel that we should disregard the trap or its contents until we know how
that trap got there and what the nature of its contents were
MF hasn't posted at RU since 3/17/08
Glenda hasn't posted at RU since 3/19/08
no updates from amigo since 3/20/08
March 20 - private eye posts on SM about the blue denim fabric
March 20 -  Kyle tells PrivateEye to email him fo r further discussion.
March 21 - Kyle went to Johns house and all things Holloway were stripped from the boat he said
ONE WEEK LATER
March 24 - Agent Shipley went to Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond
March 26 CAPS and Dave email each other:
"Beside to what I have heard, the body may be in another place now.  But that is what this person connected to the government is saying not knowing who I am"
March 27 - Kyle emails me that he is going offshore in a day
April 3, 2008 -Posted at BFN
I feel the sites are as safe as they can be. All survey data that was collected, other than what was shared with the authorities, is in our possesion. No data has yet to be released, especially target data......locations

Apr 7 Ocean says he just got asked by Mos through John to expedite the analysis of the pond search and to send a report brief.  Moss is calling for the draining and full search of the pond
KEEPING IN MIND POND WAS FULL OF WATER BACK IN FEB. APRIL MOS WANTS A BRIEF SO HE CAN GET PERMISSION TO DRAIN THE POND, BY MAY THE POND IS COMPLETELY DRY

APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million

APRIL 24,2008 OF ALL OF THE OFFICERS RESIGNED FROM SUPERIOR OFFSHORE COMPANY

APRIL 25,2008 THEY ANNOUNCED FILING A CHAPTER 11 BANKRUPTCY

MAY 5, 2008 = CAPS posts about the pond being roped off


May 8, 2008 = Kyle posts: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.


On May 8, 2008, the Company filed a motion with the Court for authority to sell a

12-Man 300 meter skid-mounted saturation diving system and related

equipment to Global Industries Offshore LLC (“Global”) for a cash payment

of $6,750,000.00

May 17 - Kyle
I need immediate help.

I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.
I also need the information Caps originally posted about the pond search.

CAPS reveals one of his sources
Klaasend:
watch the news of tomorrow on what the comments are today from Hans MOS...He is pisst on the search in Monserat. My bother was telling me that MOS want to know all the detail and how they came about to that area.

May 8, 2008 CAPS posted about his losing a shoe in a pond when he was a kid
Reply #1486

May 15 - Destiny posts at SM that she will have pictures of the drained pond from her *direct* sourse in Aruba.
May 15 - Destiny posts at SM that the photos taken today by Monserat, it is the pond next to the soccer field.

May 17 - Kyle confirms the pond is the Monstrat pond.
May 17 - Kyle needs to know from US who leaked the photos. He states he believes Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand. "Mos knows there is a mole deep within the investigation"
May 17, 2008 - Destiny posted the photos of the pond at SM

scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.920

May 17, Kyle sends an email to John Silvetti which he has copied posts from SM of CAPS and Destiny and Klassend and Spock. He is defending himself that
he didn't know who posted the pond pictures at SM.
May 18: The witness went to Helen LeJuez & she set up a meeting for him with Clyde Burke from ALE.

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #846 on: Today at 08:41:58 PM »

Nope....the final and last info as posted above re: size and woman's shoe came from ALE....that roadblock was the end....shoe *was* last in the possesion of ALE  shoe went *poof*....end of story...but NOW...who cares about the shoe....we have new witnesses....that is my focal point....BTW...I will call Mos again tomorrow....will keep you posted....Des
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.840


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on February 10, 2009, 02:38:15 PM
This is from Forensic Thoughprints:

Kyle wasn't the only person interpreting data from the ROV, note geologist Rob Floyce and Brandon Hernandez of the ROV team.  Wonder what they would have to say about the goings on on that ship?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html:

December 19

On the next morning (December 19), I boarded The Persistence along with Louis Schaffer and Tim Miller and remained aboard for the next 24 hours as they continued to scan the ocean floor. The staff was impressive—capable, bright, and extremely motivated. They worked virtually through the entire night. Clearly this was going to be one quality search effort.

I can't say enough good things about the crew, people like geologists Kyle Kingman and Rob Floyce who interpreted the data along with Brandon Hernandez of the ROV team.

We had several interesting discussions both on deck and in the relatively small galley. At one point, the boat-owner, Capt. John Silvetti (of the J.D. Silvetti Group), expressed his frustration about the lack of an exact description of the missing "crab cage" in which Natalee was likely enclosed. He'd been requesting one for several weeks, and Louis had expressed the identical frustration to me earlier.

From the best reports he could obtain, Tim had determined an approximate cage size. The search team commissioned the construction of a model cage and planned to drop it underwater to obtain as accurate a scan signature as possible to enable quicker identification of the actual cage.


   


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: texasmom on February 16, 2009, 06:27:42 PM
http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?s=7428547

Crews Leave Acadiana To Search For Natalee Holloway
 
David D'Aquin
 
 
(KATC)-- An international story takes on an Acadiana angle Thursday. Crews from Acadiana are on their way to Aruba to help in the search for Natalee Holloway. Holloway has been missing for two and a half years.

In St. Martin Parish Thursday-- Holloway's father who said he is excited about the search. He went on further, and said he is looking for closure. That "closure" wouldn't be possible without the help of strangers.

"We just didn't have the capabilities," said Dave Holloway, "Louis Shaefer found out about it and said, 'i've got the ability.' I've got the expertise. I've got the equipment, and I can do the job."

Louis Shaefer is retired after working off shore for more than 40 years. He's paying for the million dollar project.

"I'm just lucky that I'm at the right place at the right time," said Shaefer.

"we're just so thankful that he's got a big heart and is willing to do that," said Holloway.

The ship is the research vessel "Persistance," owned by Marine Services in Lafayette. It will take about seven days to make the journey from the Port of Iberia to Aruba.

"i've got a feeling that if she's in the ocean, these gusy are going to find her," said Holloway, who will be staying in U.S. while crews search for his daughter. He said, he knows his daughter is dead, and doesn't want to be there when she is found, "the FBI told us that Natalee's not with us anymore. And, as a parent, you always hope that wasn't the case. But, in reality, we know that already."

5pm & 6pm reports:

http://i21.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/KATC%20KLFY%20COVERAGE/KATC1PersistenceAruba_0001.flv

10pm report

http://i21.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/KATC%20KLFY%20COVERAGE/KATC2PersistenceAruba_0001.flv


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: texasmom on February 16, 2009, 06:38:53 PM
http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?s=7429813

(http://klfy.images.worldnow.com/images/7429813_BG1.jpg)

Local Teams Joins The Search For Natalee Holloway
 
The latest developments in the Natalie Holloway case find three men back behind bars, but still no Natalee. Local teams from Acadiana are now joining the search for the 18 year old that disappeared in May of 2005.

The name of this boat says it all. Persistence is what search teams are hoping will lead them to Natalee Holloway.

Project Manager Marc Broussard said, "We met the Holloway family and as parents ourselves we wanted to help out, give our all and give them the Cajun spirit to motivate them to go out there, to find this child and bring her home."

The one hundred and twenty five foot boat is usually used for off-shore mapping and navigation for oil companies. Now the boat will take on a different role. Once teams reach Aruba they'll scan the bottom of the ocean and map out any objects that seem out of place. What sensors pick up is all monitored in this survey room. Teams will then investigate the objects and send a robotic like device under water with cameras.

It will take the boat eight to ten days to reach Aruba. The search teams tell us if something's out there they plan to find it.  Natalee's father was aboard the boat before it set sail. We spoke with him about this trip.

Dave Holloway told us, "You try to get back to the normal way of doing things, but it stays on your mind and you stay focused on what can I do next to get closure in this. Hopefully this will be the way to do this."

The RV persistence is scheduled to depart from The Port of Iberia Tuesday evening. This search will be the first deep water search for Natalie. Teams from New Iberia, Lafayette, and Texas are all participating in the search.

The trip is funded through donations. If you'd like to support the search efforts you can send donations to:

Attn: Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565

Grace White

http://i21.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/KATC%20KLFY%20COVERAGE/KLFYPersistenceAruba112007_0001.flv


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: texasmom on February 16, 2009, 06:53:20 PM
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985

Google translation:

By including-Looking for Natalee. An American ship studies already about three months meticulously the seabed off the coast of Aruba. Sophisticated sonar equipment, the crew into nothing less than the body of Natalee Holloway. Sponsored by a wealthy American, the crew hopes for a miracle. The declaration of Joran van der Sloot, over a week ago because Natalee's body is dumped into the sea, the crew strengthened in their conviction that they are perhaps the best hope for this case ever be solved.

Part 1

http://i21.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/EENVANDAAG_1Persistence_0001.flv

Part 2

http://i21.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/EENVANDAAG_2Persistence_0001.flv

Part 3 (Aruban interviews etc.)

http://i21.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/EENVANDAAG_3Persistence_0001.flv




Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on April 06, 2009, 09:33:59 AM
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: jammsnana on April 14, 2009, 09:57:28 AM
HI Blonde! You are a moderator? Right? Can you open the new cage in the Caylee Cage? We are already into page 102 and the new cage is still locked. I do not see any other moderators online at this moment.


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2009, 10:54:02 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23302581#23302581

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/DatelinePersistence_RedShirt_Visito.jpg)

I know some still believe the man in the red shirt may have been John Silvetti.  In this picture, I think the yellow arrow points to the visitor tag he was wearing.  It couldn't be seen in most of the other pictures we have because of Richardson standing in front of him.

I want to know WHO he is, and I'd also really like to know WHERE John Silvetti was while the taping was going on.



Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: jen3560 on July 27, 2009, 08:46:27 AM
You know who else is missing from all of these pictures?  Jacob.

Where was he?  Were he and Uncle John even aboard during all of this?

We do know that John flew his youngest son (at least) down to Aruba for the Holidays.

We don't know exactly when, and we don't know for how long.


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 27, 2009, 03:27:47 PM
You know who else is missing from all of these pictures?  Jacob.

Where was he?  Were he and Uncle John even aboard during all of this?

We do know that John flew his youngest son (at least) down to Aruba for the Holidays.

We don't know exactly when, and we don't know for how long.

According to Kyle Kingman's own words ... John Silvetti was present on December 29, 2007 ... at the December 30, 2007 visual dive and ... at the January 7, 2008  recovery dive.

Janet

+++++

DECEMBER 29, 2007

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman
: The "99.9%" came independantly from Tim Miller to Dave H. on Dec 29th, prior to the diver visual inspection of the trap. I can't imagine what that must have felt like to be told and then completely retracted the next day. I couldn't believe the information was prematurely leaked to the family before we knew what we were looking at. My heart broke for Dave and Beth.  Personally, I fed off of Tim's inflated confidence and my own on the night of Dec 29th. I did not sleep. Few of us did. The only person able to remain completely objective, much to his credit, was John Silvetti. In hindsight, I am in awe of him for his wisdom(from past hard experiences) and strength. At the time, I thought he was nuts for not siding with the rest of us after the first dive.


DECEMBER 30, 2007 - VISUAL DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising. Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. We discussed ahead of time 1 thumb up means positively human remains, 2 thumbs up... something conclusively identifying Natalee. When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive.

Kyle said: We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive.  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


JANUARY 7, 2008 - RECOVERY DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.



Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: texasmom on July 27, 2009, 11:21:44 PM
You know who else is missing from all of these pictures?  Jacob.

Where was he?  Were he and Uncle John even aboard during all of this?

We do know that John flew his youngest son (at least) down to Aruba for the Holidays.

We don't know exactly when, and we don't know for how long.

Yes, it is interesting that Jake wasn't seen at all in the Dateline production; considering he was front and center in the Dutch (EenVanDaag) show.

hmmm


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2009, 12:32:15 AM
http://www.deweekkrant.nl/artikel/2007/december/19/zoektocht_naar_holloway_doorgezet/

Original Dutch Text:

Zoektocht naar Holloway doorgezet

19 dec 2007 start printen

ORANJESTAD (ANP) - Een team van experts heeft de zoektocht naar de verdwenen tiener Natalee Holloway op Aruba doorgezet ondanks het besluit van justitie om de zaak tegen de verdachten te sluiten wegens gebrek aan bewijs.

ANP Photo

Rond het eiland is woensdag een speciaal Amerikaans onderzoeksschip begonnen met het scannen van de zeebodem. De aankomst van de boot Persistence wordt bevestigd door Tim Miller van Texas Equuesearch (TES), een organisatie die vermiste Amerikanen opspoort als de autoriteiten dat opgeven.

Het schip werd al een maand geleden aangekondigd door Dave Holloway, de vader van Natalee, maar liep afgelopen week vertraging op door onder meer tropische storm Olga in het Caribisch gebied.

Het Openbaar Ministerie heeft zich gedistantieerd van de particuliere zoekactie.


Google translation:


Search for Holloway put by

December 19, 2007 

ORANGE CITY (ANP) - A team of experts, the search for missing teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba put through despite the decision of Justice to the case against the suspects because of lack of evidence.

ANP Photo

Around the island Wednesday a U.S. research ship has started to scan the seabed. The arrival of the boat Persistence is confirmed by Tim Miller of Texas Equuesearch (TES), an organization that detects missing Americans as the authorities give up.

The ship was already a month ago by Dave Holloway, Natalee's father, but was delayed last week by including tropical storm Olga in the Caribbean.

The Public Ministry has distanced itself from the private search.


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2009, 11:55:15 AM
HT Carpe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8GKU7VEcSM

http://www.youtube.com/v/L8GKU7VEcSM&hl=en&fs=1&


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Blonde on April 01, 2010, 05:33:05 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/date.jpg)


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 04, 2010, 03:08:49 PM
Jacob Lex is LegallyLex's son and was on the Persistence:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=145480547


This is Jacob with the ripped pants.  He has a whole series of photos in Aruba:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/JacobLex.jpg)


Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2010, 03:43:14 PM

Jacob Lex:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4675.msg721157#msg721157

Texasmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
« Reply #554 on: March 15, 2009, 02:48:23 AM »


Quote

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Jacob Lex

Jacob Lex, a junior electronics engineering technology major, found himself involved in a high-profile missing person case as part of his co-op with Alternative Positioning Solutions (APS) of Lafayette, La. The company, owned by Lex’s uncle, is a navigation, positioning
and sonar services firm with responsibility for the Gulf of Mexico and all territorial U.S. waters. 

During his eight months on-site, Lex worked in Aruba searching unsuccessfully for the remains of Natalee Holloway, an Alabama teenager who disappeared in May 2005. The crew aboard the R/V Persistence—APS’s flagship boat—worked 18-hour days making sonar runs to identify all of the materials that don’t naturally appear on the seafloor, including possible human skeletal remains and pieces of clothing.  Lex was responsible for running the ship’s computer equipment. Despite long hours and intense effort, the search came up empty. 

When the work in Aruba was complete, Lex’s next assignment centered on mapping the seafloor in the Gulf of Mexico. The days and weeks were long, he says, but he bonded with other members of the crew. 

“Nothing is predictable when you’re out at sea, but coming together to fix things or find solutions made us closer.” Lex says. “It’s like a brotherhood.”

Following the completion of his co-op, APS offered Lex a future position as a geophysicist, which would require additional schooling beyond his Bloomsburg degree.

“I always work hard in whatever I do, but I really took advantage of my time with APS,” Lex says. “I liked the work and learned as much as I could as quickly as I could. I think this experience will pay off.”



Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2010, 03:46:52 PM
Lifesong

Good find!

I copied your last post to Blonde's thread.

Janet

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The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.140




Title: Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2010, 06:22:02 PM
You know who else is missing from all of these pictures?  Jacob.

Where was he?  Were he and Uncle John even aboard during all of this?

We do know that John flew his youngest son (at least) down to Aruba for the Holidays.

We don't know exactly when, and we don't know for how long.


It appears that Jacob Lex was a constant presence on the Persistence.  Eight months?  Was Jacob a participant in the planning stages of the Persistence endeavor?  The Persistence was not in Aruban waters for eight months.

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texasmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
« Reply #554 on: March 15, 2009, 06:48:23 AM »


Interesting article...
http://www.bloomu.edu/media/magazine/Bloomsburg_Winter09.pdf
Page 20

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Whether searching deep waters for a vanished 18-year-old, enriching the lives of some big cats or promoting a Class AAA baseball team, internships and cooperative assignments often take Bloomsburg University students into the realm of the unexpected. Students Jacob Lex, Erin Loughlin and Travis Behler recently participated in experiential assignments that allowed them to handle unique job responsibilities.


Jacob Lex

During his eight months on-site, Lex worked in Aruba searching unsuccessfully for the remains of Natalee Holloway, an Alabama teenager who disappeared in May 2005. The crew aboard the R/V Persistence—APS’s flagship boat—worked 18-hour days making sonar runs to identify all of the materials that don’t naturally appear on the seafloor, including possible human skeletal remains and pieces of clothing.  Lex was responsible for running the ship’s computer equipment. Despite long hours and intense effort, the search came up empty.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4675.msg721157#msg721157