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come across........

Exactly  ::MonkeyCool::

ldstlou.Did Kyle turn over all pertinent information over to the Holloway family as well as the FBI in a timely manner?Yes or No?

come across........

ldstlou wrote:
Tim Miller wasn't removed from anywhere...are you kidding me? You really think he would allow himself to be removed? He was following up a lead in Nicaragua.
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I'm sorry to say - yes he was.  Along with Dateline.

Dec 30th, Kyle and Tim Miller discussed this issue in detail, but they didn't know how to handle it.  Then Kyle took a nap.  When he got up, Tim and Dateline had been ejected from the boat.

ldstlou, I don't know what fairy tales Kyle and others are now telling you, but Kyle's posts (with IP, date and time) are in their original form from when he posted them.  This item was discussed over several posts.

The Nicarauga thing didn't happen for a few more days after that, IIRC.

See that's not specific enough, I want to know precisely WHEN KYLE turned over the information he thought he had to Beth/Jug and the FBI.  I would also want to know why KYLE was negotiating with the networks to gain financially from this prior to turning over what he thought he had to the family and FBI.

Exactly, Jen.  IIRC, Kyle stated that Dec 30th was "crushing" - that Tim Miller and Dateline were REMOVED from the boat.

I understand Klaas.Ldstlou?WHEN did Kyle turn all pertinent information over to the FBI as well as the Holloway family?

I'm sorry guys - she's not going to be able to answer that, because it never happened.

I would like to see the creative dates that she may try and come back with though.  ::MonkeyRoll::  And see just how they correspond with what/when/how we (including Kyle) know transpired.

I don't believe for one second that Tim Miller was removed from the Persistence because he was an emotional liability.  Yea that's what I was told.  pppfffttt.

I don't believe for one second that Tim Miller was removed from the Persistence because he was an emotional liability.  Yea that's what I was told.  pppfffttt.

Really?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Snoops I was waving at you in the last thread and didn't realize I was locked out!

Lisa I hope you saw my last post to you....but just in case you didn't I am bring in here

Quote from: ldstlou on Today at 11:08:36 AM
Quote from: SunnyinTX on Today at 11:04:30 AM
I don't post on the Natalee thread anymore because I do not feel I have anything to offer....however I do read and try to keep up, except for the past month or so... this morning I had  time to get caught up and now I wish I didn't.  I think I know why many of us no longer post here. MY GOD!  I have never seen monkeys at each others throat like this. I don't give a damn who you are...or how close you feel you are to 'the family' if you think the family is going to tell you everything...get REAL!!  You post on a public forum...........the family is not stupid. I am really sickened to read a lot of what is on here.....just because someone, 'in the know' tells you something doesn't mean it is TRUE or factual. I am not taking sides with anyone...........but I sure wish some of you would step back....go back and read what you write..............when I read a post that starts out with 'you people' I immediately think Oh F..here we go again!!!  OK...back to lurking........Happy New Year to everyone. Klaas  and Mods...Bless your hearts

I take it that was directed at me. I am surprised that you don't have a problem with the conspiracy theory Kermit has come up with. Lives are disrupted and careers and relationships are being destoyed and thats ok?

Lisa.....I didn't direct anything at you...please don't put words in my mouth.  You know me well enough to know that if I was directing this at you I would have said so. I am not known for being 'politically correct'.  I had an opportunity to read this entire thread this morning and I posted what I felt after reading it.  I don't know who I believe..I don't know what I believe...and reading this thread did nothing to help me.

Thanx Jen.That is the point!If Kyle didn't turn information over in a timely manner and has mislead people.Why defend him?Let him speak for himself!

See that's not specific enough, I want to know precisely WHEN KYLE turned over the information he thought he had to Beth/Jug and the FBI.  I would also want to know why KYLE was negotiating with the networks to gain financially from this prior to turning over what he thought he had to the family and FBI.

ok...in one post you ask me questions about when and what was turned over and in the next you say don't answer for him.

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
 
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator
Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

ok...in one post you ask me questions about when and what was turned over and in the next you say don't answer for him.

I don't remember you posting a response with a date and what was turned over.  In essence, you have not answered for Kyle with respect to that.  jmo

ldstlou I wish you would re-think everything you have been told.  Search members for Kermit, Kyle, Tamikosmom, wingnut, jen3560.  Read all their posts.  They are not lying.  JMHO  you have been mis-lead.

Yep and at that time I kept telling myself that this was not right and that the messenger was being mis-lead.  I kept hoping that she would see that but didn't.

Snoopy I have read the posts. The posts are copied and pasted from the Freebird's forum...taken out of context. I know what they are and I know what they all say by now. Because they were taken out of context, I went straight to the source and asked for an explanation. He responded openly and honestly in my opinion. I am not an idiot and don't believe I have been mislead.

However...when Kermit starts posting shoes and skulls being moved by John Silvetti from the cage to the pond and Lalas and me being a part of the grand conspiracy and "bubbles being burst" and single handily exposing the cover-up...THAT is suspicious to me.

buckeye:

I do have a little question.  JQK seemed to want to run with the trafficking story.  I just wonder if that is to bring the case to a level of international involvement.  This could permit an international investigation.  The investigation may come to the conclusion that there was no trafficking and the remains were hidden in a cage.  Is it important to "believe" in a bigger theory to legally involve more than internet posters and hidey hole sleuths??

truthseeker2:

I wondered the exact same thing when JQK was talking to Greta.  I even posted questions about it here at SM...but not many were interested in discussing it at that time.  If JQK can move this story or theory, I think it could get more international attention and put more pressure on Aruba to get to the truth.  At the very worst it could put a spotlight on this huge problem even if the truth about Natalee does not surface.

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

wingnut and jen3560 thank you for coming here and talking to us.  It means a lot.  And I hope you know that I have always appreciated the Freebirds work.

I don't believe for one second that Tim Miller was removed from the Persistence because he was an emotional liability.  Yea that's what I was told.  pppfffttt.

Thanks snoopy!!

The Freebirds put a lot of time and effort into all the fifty some odd documents we produced.

It's a fantastic group of people who put their guts into it!!

Was Kyle not BANNED from Freebirds?Why?

buckeye:

I do have a little question.  JQK seemed to want to run with the trafficking story.  I just wonder if that is to bring the case to a level of international involvement.  This could permit an international investigation.  The investigation may come to the conclusion that there was no trafficking and the remains were hidden in a cage.  Is it important to "believe" in a bigger theory to legally involve more than internet posters and hidey hole sleuths??

truthseeker2:

I wondered the exact same thing when JQK was talking to Greta.  I even posted questions about it here at SM...but not many were interested in discussing it at that time.  If JQK can move this story or theory, I think it could get more international attention and put more pressure on Aruba to get to the truth.  At the very worst it could put a spotlight on this huge problem even if the truth about Natalee does not surface.

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

That is the only reason why I can think of JQK acting as if he believes Joran's latest BS story and I did mention it at the time.  I have said many times that I don't believe for one minute that JQK or Beth believe what Joran said in his last interview to Greta. 

ok...in one post you ask me questions about when and what was turned over and in the next you say don't answer for him.

Sorry Sunny, I was finishing up an online exam...and sorry for jumping the gun...feeling a bit ganged up on lately and a bit sensitive!!
Sorry I misread you post!!

hahahahahahaha....that is a hoot!  yes Tim is emotional..passionate about what he does....but his emotion could only be called a liability by someone who was intimated by him.... ::MonkeyWink::

ldstlou I wish you would re-think everything you have been told.  Search members for Kermit, Kyle, Tamikosmom, wingnut, jen3560.  Read all their posts.  They are not lying.  JMHO  you have been mis-lead.

Was Kyle not BANNED from Freebirds?Why?

So you either do not know, or, you are afraid to say because of what it will reveal.  I think we know when it was turned over.  Way after the fact!!!

Funny how people look at things in different ways.  I never got the impression that Kermit felt as though she was single handedly doing anything.

Ldstlou - ask Dave Holloway how he feels about Mark Purcell then tell me if you agree with everything Dave Holloway says.  Reminder, the Persistence search was arranged by TES and Dave Holloway, who inAruba does Dave Holloway listen to?  Who is best friends with Mark Purcell?  That alone should raise a red flag.

Blonde,

You made a post in the last thread about Caps posting, and a lack of Aruban people on the meter.

Just wanted you to know there were others who noticed that as well.  On numerous occasions.  ::MonkeyCool::

Do you have any idea where the posts were coming from?  TIA

I do not know but maybe ... just maybe ... threats of litigation had something to do with Kyle being banned from the Natalee's Freebird's site.

Janet

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Snoopy I have read the posts. The posts are copied and pasted from the Freebird's forum...taken out of context. I know what they are and I know what they all say by now. Because they were taken out of context, I went straight to the source and asked for an explanation. He responded openly and honestly in my opinion. I am not an idiot and don't believe I have been mislead.

However...when Kermit starts posting shoes and skulls being moved by John Silvetti from the cage to the pond and Lalas and me being a part of the grand conspiracy and "bubbles being burst" and single handily exposing the cover-up...THAT is suspicious to me.

Blonde,

You made a post in the last thread about Caps posting, and a lack of Aruban people on the meter.

Just wanted you to know there were others who noticed that as well.  On numerous occasions.  ::MonkeyCool::

KeeptheFaith and Janet,

After we discovered this information had been withheld from US authorities, we contacted legal counsel, and were advised to keep our distance from Persistence crew members and benefactors - that is when and why Kyle was banned.

That occurred the end of September.

I am 10 pages back in the other thread, and forgive me if I am wrong, But Muffy and 2NJS are you saying I am a mole?
What the heck has got in to some of you?

 As for a flyby...I only just caught up and Kermit posted. My post from last night has been posted about before since November. Did either of you see the posts?

I asked Kermit questions which she did not answer after she was here 2 visits ago. She did not acknowledge my questions on her next questions.

She cut and pasted bits of posts from Shango for her posts. I checked and posted on this. More than once. She cheated to make her her point.

I joined a Private forum, because of the constant talk about this trap. Other things were happening we have been told  over and over to focus on the trap. No matter what else I posted about I very seldom got a response. As well as if you don't buy what some here are saying they treat you ugly.

Yesterday you welcomed 2 Newbies with open arms from a Private forum...But this is different...How!

I don't know what their motives for joining SM after all this time was, but as far as I am concerned I don't know either of them from a bar of soap...so they will both have to any respect from me!

ok...so Kermit knows more than Jug and Dave and Tim am I reading this correctly?


And she sure did state she single handily uncover the conspiracy.

The whole family and Tim Miller were all duped by Kyle and John Silvetti correct? But not old Kermit...she uncovered the whole plot. Good lawd. Not bad for a person who wasn't even there.

Snoopy I have read the posts. The posts are copied and pasted from the Freebird's forum...taken out of context. I know what they are and I know what they all say by now. Because they were taken out of context, I went straight to the source and asked for an explanation. He responded openly and honestly in my opinion. I am not an idiot and don't believe I have been mislead.

However...when Kermit starts posting shoes and skulls being moved by John Silvetti from the cage to the pond and Lalas and me being a part of the grand conspiracy and "bubbles being burst" and single handily exposing the cover-up...THAT is suspicious to me.

Do you have any idea where the posts were coming from?  TIA

Ok...I admit I am not as up on all things posted....but Lisa please explain to me if these are direct quotes from OE how are they taken out of context??

I know you FEEL he answered honestly and openly.............but in this case world how do we ever know that for sure?? No you are not an idiot...............but you need to leave open the POSSIBILITY that you might have been mislead.....at least keep an open mind about it....

Logic dictates...........

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

ok...so Kermit knows more than Jug and Dave and Tim am I reading this correctly?


And she sure did state she single handily uncover the conspiracy.

The whole family and Tim Miller were all duped by Kyle and John Silvetti correct? But not old Kermit...she uncovered the whole plot. Good lawd. Not bad for a person who wasn't even there.

??  What do you mean?  When did this happen?

Um.  Jug, Dave and Tim were not on the board when Kyle revealed all of his information.  The pertinent info (most of it) was sent to BETH by us, along with an invitation to the board.  And then the same to JQK and the FBI.  So yes - I would have to say that those present at the time this information was shared probably do know a bit more about the details than those who were not present.

??  What do you mean?  When did this happen?

Ldstlou - ask Dave Holloway how he feels about Mark Purcell then tell me if you agree with everything Dave Holloway says.  Reminder, the Persistence search was arranged by TES and Dave Holloway, who inAruba does Dave Holloway listen to?  Who is best friends with Mark Purcell?  That alone should raise a red flag.

so you are saying Beth, the FBI and JQK all believe in your conspiracy theory correct?

Mum,

I wondered how you were able to put names to posters here that Kermit alluded to.  I said I had the equation wrong and mentioned an underground thing I was not privy to...a reference hinting to the private forum. 

The mole question popped into my mind after the underground statement (thinking of the defunct TV show), and not specifically directed at you...., and no insult was intended.     

Sunny, I came here to post a translation of an article last month. Wreck says go read what Kermit posted...so I went and read it. Not knowing about the Freebirds or where she got them I was suspicious of posts that were copied and pasted out of context. So I called Jug, then I IM'ed Kyle and simply asked questions. They answered them for me. Kyle in detail and he answered the "letter" Jen posted to Jug too. I would say the guy has nothing to hide if he line by line posted his answers to the letter Jen wrote to Jug.

On the other hand, yesterday Kermit posts her "burst the bubble" post which claims John Silvetti took shoes and evidence from the cage and moved it to the pond and Lalas and I are in on the whole big conspiracy and it is so rediculous to me I can't believe it!

??  What do you mean?  When did this happen?

Blonde,

You made a post in the last thread about Caps posting, and a lack of Aruban people on the meter.

Just wanted you to know there were others who noticed that as well.  On numerous occasions.  ::MonkeyCool::

So now everyone has the info...Dave, Beth, FBI, JQK...so do they agree with Kermit's theory?

Thanks 2NJS...I apologize...

??  What do you mean?  When did this happen?

I'm not sure if Blonde kept the dates or not - but I'm sure I can find them if she didn't.

Caps was here, signed in (and Blonde, I think you're right - he didn't post) but there was not a single person from Aruba showing up on the site meter.

I know of one person who watched for several days that week specifically for that purpose.

I have about 20 in my documents. I have even sent klaas one. From Aruba.

The site meter only shows the last 100 people on.  I know for a fact I am on and I know where I live.  I am not showing up on the site meter right now.  You cannot go by that.

See...I am back to where I started from...and still after a month of going round and round I can not get an answer to this question.

It is clear everyone NOW has the information in question. Some think it was "uncovered" by Kermit, I am one of those who believe the FBI was not duped and had the info right way...regardless of which you believe..Jen has stated Beth, JQK and the FBI has all of the information..and have had it all for at the minimum of several months. So do they believe the "conspiracy theory"?

See...I am back to where I started from...and still after a month of going round and round I can not get an answer to this question.

It is clear everyone NOW has the information in question. Some think it was "uncovered" by Kermit, I am one of those who believe the FBI was not duped and had the info right way...regardless of which you believe..Jen has stated Beth, JQK and the FBI has all of the information..and have had it all for at the minimum of several months. So do they believe the "conspiracy theory"?

Kermit never said she uncovered anything she simply had the balls to post it in the open here at SM. 

My head is  :shaking: and :shaking2: and it hurts, a lot.  :smt017 All I want is Justice for Natalee  :gaah: There are many things posted in the past couple of days that I need to read over again. Perhaps then my head won't hurt.

Mum,

I'm not the one being patronizing here.  I do believe that would be you.

I just tried to clear it up a bit, if I could.  That's why I mentioned specifically the DATES of those posts of Caps referring to this pond, that pond, and the other.  Then look at the DATE he sent the email to Dave.

Seems a handful of other monkeys noticed the same things Kermit had posted about - and had done so before Kermit posted about it.

I'm sorry if it's still unclear for you.

If it is true that Kyle did not turn information over in a timely manner(Freebirds did),was attempting to broker with TV networks,as well as mislead people.What is the reasoning of defending him??

To clarify.I believe Kyle did those thing until proven otherwise!I can't defend someone when the foundation of their character is broken.JMOO

Well ... life outside the computer room beckons!

As tradition dictates ... dinner, movie and board games with friends is where it is at this evening.  The secret is out.  Mr. and Mrs. Tamikosmom are real party animals.

 ::cartwheel::

HAPPY NEW YEARS MONKEYS!!  HAPPY NEW YEARS ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
11:10 AM PT

How can "everyone" have the information now if we don't even know what ALE took from the cage?  There is more than just the photos. 

My head is  :shaking: and :shaking2: and it hurts, a lot.  :smt017 All I want is Justice for Natalee  :gaah: There are many things posted in the past couple of days that I need to read over again. Perhaps then my head won't hurt.

Exactly

and I don't believe the information was not turned over to the FBI right away.

Regardless, as Jen states, Beth, JQK and the FBI have the info Kyle posted at Freebirds now. So what is their take on it?

How can "everyone" have the information now if we don't even know what ALE took from the cage?  There is more than just the photos. 

Well ... life outside the computer room beckons!

As tradition dictates ... dinner, movie and board games with friends is where it is at this evening.  The secret is out.  Mr. and Mrs. Tamikosmom are real party animals.

 ::cartwheel::

HAPPY NEW YEARS MONKEYS!!  HAPPY NEW YEARS ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
11:10 AM PT

It is very clear to me and has been for many months. Probably before it became clear to you. Janet states she was alone when she doubted Caps...Go back before that in Shango and read, please. Try around April, probably the middle.  I have a heap of emails that go back much earlier than that.

Just because you think you are right does not make it so. My theory may not be correct either, but please don't act like this is all some new breakthrough!

I am familiar with the dates as well, Thank You. I read what is posted.

Now I will go back to my research which I have been working on as soon as I finish catching up.

As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion. JMO   
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Oh believe me it will...I simply came on this morning to try and get caught up!  I just went and took 2 Aleve and got a glass of Jamaican Rum Coconut Creme on the rocks!...hell it's five o'clock somewhere!

The information that Kyle shared with the Freebirds that Kermit felt compelled to share...is that a better way of stating it?

So in regrds to the information Kyle shared that Kermit felt compelled to post here...and that was according to jen given to Beth, JQK and the FBI...that information, what is the opinion of Beth, JQK and the FBI in regards to the info and the conspiracy theory?

Prove to me that the information was turned over by Kyle to the FBI,as well as the Holloway and what day??If someone else other than Kyle turned this information,after giving Kyle the opportunity and he chose not to.That is indefensable from my standpoint!Why defend him??

Oh believe me it will...I simply came on this morning to try and get caught up!  I just went and took 2 Aleve and got a glass of Jamaican Rum Coconut Creme on the rocks!...hell it's five o'clock somewhere!

I couldn't tell you because I've never felt a need to directly contact the family members.  You see, I've always felt they have enough on their plates without having forum members contact them all the time. I also wouldn't call it a conspiracy theory.  I would call it more greed and the family being used once again.

I don't have to prove anything to you.
Assume I am wrong if it makes you feel better...and Kermit saved the day and uncovered the "conspiracy" and handed everything over to the proper authorities as she states..so what is the end result? Do Beth, JQK and the FBI buy Kermit's theory....jeez...bottom line if kermit can prove to me Beth, JQK and the FBI are on board with the theory...excluding Lalas and I of course being in on it... ::MonkeyConfused:: ...then you might convince me.

Thanx ldstlou.I think you you know the answer.JMOO

Well, I have always thought for myself on everything concerning Natalee's disappearance and guess I will just continue on my journey in this manner.  I read, think and apply and go from there but this is getting to be a battle of egos, IMO.

My #1 son brought me a bottle of Glenlivet Scotch... those airport gifts can have advantages, lol.  If I am on here later I may well be BUI so am giving fair warning, lol.  The more I read the more tempting the scotch becomes.


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ok...then what is the point of bringing it up at all if you don't want the answers...just want to slander the members of the Persistence...my point exactly.  Wasn't the whole point that Kermit saved the day and contacted Beth, the FBI and JQK???!! Hello?

ok...then what is the point of bringing it up at all if you don't want the answers...just want to slander the members of the Persistence...my point exactly.  Wasn't the whole point that Kermit saved the day and contacted Beth, the FBI and JQK???!! Hello?

Mum ~  I don't think you are a mole. Nothing has gotten in to me.  You posted, saying Kermit copied and pasted a post with Shango in it, and that you recognized the posts because you had worked with the Shango stuff so much.   I thought it interesting.  And I wondered if you had any other thoughts.  But you had left after the one post.  And I expressed that I hoped you would come back today and talk with us about it.  Do you  believe Kermit is trying to give false information and/or to mislead us.  And if so, why?  But only if you want to say.  I don't know why Kermit copied and pasted from Shango, if that is what she really did.  Was she trying to make a point, or to show us something?  Or was she trying to mislead?  Just wondering your take on it, since you recognized some of the posts from Shango and commented on that fact.  I don't know what your issue is with welcoming those that may be members in a private forum.  There are many here that are members of various forums and I don't do the behind the scenes things emailing and such so I don't know whom belongs to what.   If a poster is granted membership here, I will welcome them.  I have welcomed some who are still here posting, some I have welcomed got banned before the day was through.  Do you have a problem with posters that came last night and tried to explain what they understood was the truth?  Should they not be welcome?  Should  they not be allowed to post?  That isn't up to me, but to the admin.  My opinion is, if it will get us nearer to the truth and getting Natalee Holloway home, it's fine with me. 

Lisa, didn't you post that you told Jug SM was saying the family had the remains or knew they were in the cage and concealing this fact?

It upsets me that people contact the family with information that is incorrect or taken out of context.

No, that wasn't the point at all.  I am very uncomfortable with people contacting Natalee's family with such a poor grasp on the situation being discussed.

The contents of the cage, the stuff in the plastic bags would be far far more important than the photos and we don't have a clue what happened to that.  ALE apparently took it all away directly back into their own boat.  That's where any proof would be, not necessarily anything at all in the photos.  DNA would have been in the bags and we don't know what happened to those.

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are we back to I am in on the conspiracy?

The information that Kyle shared with the Freebirds that Kermit felt compelled to share...is that a better way of stating it?

So in regrds to the information Kyle shared that Kermit felt compelled to post here...and that was according to jen given to Beth, JQK and the FBI...that information, what is the opinion of Beth, JQK and the FBI in regards to the info and the conspiracy theory?

BUMP


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I stand with the Frog until you can prove the Frog wrong with logic,as well as facts!If you are in such close contact with Kyle have him send you an e-mail and break it all down for everyone!Again.I don't think he's gonna do that!I've said it before.If i'm wrong i will say it LOUD AND CLEAR and will apologize...Don't think it's gonna happen though."If" Natalee,and or anyone else was in that cage we'll never know.Why?

sorry you feel uncomfortable with who I contact Anna, but you don't dictate to me who I can speak to and when and what I can say.

I told you about 5 times he already did that last night...sent one to myself and to Jug. I have no problems with his answers.

I told you about 5 times he already did that last night...sent one to myself and to Jug. I have no problems with his answers.

MUM - I don't like private invite only forums mostly because they end up causing problems.  I really don't like ChatnGrumble because I happen to know that Destiny and ******* are spreading lies about me and they are also both moderators at ChatnGrumble.  They are both either nuts or incredibly stupid but they are 100% wrong.  So if that is the private forum you belong to they will not get a "kudos" from me. 

You really do have to wonder about a private invite only forum that feels a need to have a secret hidey hole within the private invite only forum for the very special of the very special people.  ::MonkeyRoll::

BS - and the answer is NO.  The point is KYLE posted information at Freebirds.  FREEBIRDS sent the information to Beth and the FBI whether it was via Kermit or not I couldn't tell you.  The information was sent by them after they found out that KYLE had lied to them.  Why did KYLE lie? 

All of it or parts of it?

I thought the point was to expose the conspiracy. Why won't anyone address what Kermit said yesterday...that John Silvetti moved the contents of the trap to the pond and was working with the ALE to hide evidence that was in that trap. That my friend, in my humble opinion..is pure slander.
Then she went so far as to include Hotshot, Lalas, myself and Caps in her grand conspiracy. And I am supposed to stand by the frog...get real..it's delusional at best.

Not fair!!!  I want one.  My boss said No.

Muffy..
Muffy...Kermit did this on her first post on this, I believe on November 13th. I have it all in my notes, but I will not be picking up my computer today it seems. I have posted about this. It bothers me. And I do not know why Kermit thought she needed to do it.

Yes, as far as I am concerned it is at the very least, misleading. I gave Kermit the benefit of the doubt and let it go, until she posted the same type thing last night. I also know that Kermit read my posts concerning this. What I would like to know is why Kermit felt it necessary to cut and paste bits and pieces, and out of context from posts in Shango to back up her posts. The only thing I can think of is that other posters keep saying that Kermit is backing up her posts. Technically she is.

Muffy, I am reading digs every day about Private Forums. Yet I guess it depends on which Private Forum you are a member of. I reserve judgement on all new posters, as I said they will earn my respect ...or not.

Time will tell how this all pans out, but it the meantime it is taking away my focus on what I should be researching. I do this for only one reason...I don't have any motive other than searching for the truth about Natalee.

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Kyle said: “The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information.”
Kyle said: "- ”IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude ote author=Kermit link=topic=4269.msg604296#msg604296 date=1230692848]
Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Kyle said: “The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information.”
Kyle said: "- ”IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.”

February 2008 – Kyle tried to “strike a deal” with networks for the ROV footage.
March 1, 2008 – The Persistence announced it's return to Louisiana due to lack of money.
March 3, 2008 -  John Silvetti and Caps had a meeting in Aruba.
EMAIL From: Caps Lock
To: XXXXX; Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:05:29 PM
Subject: FW: The meeting will be schedule at 2:00 pm - my house

March 08, 2008, 11:10:26 PM
Caps posted at SM: “I think we all have worked very hard this week and I have not had a chance to enjoy a good laugh since I started with the Monkeys on my research.

I hope tomorrow we will have the final links into a final resolution about the pond. This comming week is THE DAY.

Me and J & W and the C's are all in a agreement now that it must be there”



September 2008 – Freebirds contacted the FBI with the evidence.

10 MONTHS AFTER RETURNING TO THE UNITED STATES
Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:38 PM
Kyle emailed me: “I have recently been in contact with the FBI (within the last two weeks).”

Unless Kyle is a sociopath, which I do not believe, then he did not contact the FBI with the evidence of photos he has in his possession and was aware of during the RV Persistence dives. He did not intend to hand over that evidence until he was forced to do so AFTER The Freebirds contacted the FBI. He specifically stated he did not give any statements to the FBI after his leaving the RV Persistence. He did, however state he had tried to “strike a deal” with the networks executives to sell the ROV footage.

#364 on: Today at 10:54:08 AM   ldstlou
 just called again. Absolutely not true. Beth doesn't know about the theory of the photos or evidence that was collected and not turned over and Jug does not understand why Kermit is even stating this theory or information. Beth did not give Kermit to post photos on her behalf either.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.360

THE TRUTH IS
Not only do I have the emails from Beth, but also from another family member that confirms Beth's permission for me to expose the Aruba Cover-up.And who called her to try and stop it

 
Because everything Caps was doing was distracting, and leading away from the cage and always involved the pond which is a  distraction from the cage, I find it interesting to go back over the accumulation of events as they transpired for a refresher.

Keeping in mind that there are several  people at SM who want to believe the pond witness and what CAPS and Kyle have been telling them through John Silvetti.

Keep in mind, Kyle revealed to us that it was John Silvetti  who turned his attention away from the cage and refused to listen to anything Kyle had to say about the cage/trap. Although, it was John Silvetti who allowed the Aruban only divers to collect the evidence which was against what the plan had been.

 The initial plan discussed by the project leads and Aruban police was for us (the team on board the Persistence) to be directly involved in the recovery of the trap
 
#740 on: March 18, 2008, 12:22:38 PM
After the visual inspection on 30-Dec, the initial plan discussed by the project leads and Aruban police was for us (the team on board the Persistence) to be directly involved in the recovery of the trap.  There were talks about getting the proper equipment on board the Persistence such as a suction-recovery system to sift small items from the sand.  The talks continued after Jan-7th when the samples were collected
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366321#msg366321
 
Tim stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan
 
#705 on: November 20, 2008, 07:22:14 PM
Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551291#msg551291
 

The talks about recovering the trap ceased around the 10-14th of Jan
 
#662 on: November 20, 2008, 05:21:05 PM
I got off the boat for 4 nights from the 10-14th of Jan for some much needed R&R.  I was in close communication with the boat and continued to post updates.  I didn't need to broadcast my presence on the island at the time.  I observed the vessel at or very near the location on the 11th and 12th for 42 and 45 minutes respectively.  I questioned the possibility of unknown diving ops taking place.  The talks about recovering the trap ceased around that time as well


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551145#msg551145
 
 Now let's follow along with the CAPS information that a group at SM has contact with him and believes in his version of the events and his witness[color]

CAPS  CLAIMS THIS POND CONTAINS A TENNIS SHOE AND HUMAN REMAINS SPECIAL NOTE - ACCORDING TO DAVE HOLLOWAY, CAPS WITNESS HAS MET WITH JOHN SILVETTI OF THE PERSISTENCE BY NOW .
 February 27, 2008
This time they have some special areas that they are checking. It started this morning and continue in the morning.

February 28, 2008:
Yes,
At 9:00 will go over there to amke sure they do not mis a spot....[color-red]The sneaker is there....where is the sneaker is the remains.



Remember Hotshot (Kathy Drenga) just recently told the monkeys that it was HER who directed Caps (and the witness) to Silvetti.
 
Could this REALLY be the first sign to prove the suspicions that Silvetti gave something from that trap to be put in the pond?  Shoe?  Skull? - speculation.


 Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #285 on: Today at 12:48:24 AM »

You all seem to jump to conclusions that everything was handed over to the incompetent ALE....... Did you ever stop to think that maybe there was a reason they took off so fast? Do you really think they are that stupid to not cover their butts? Hellooooo, Tim has been through it already, many times. Loose lips do sink ships. Maybe we are not supposed to be discussing those things here for everyone like Aruba to read.[/color]

CAPS STARTS OUT SAYING IT WAS MONTANA POND

January 22, 2008:

Well it says clearley the montana pond.

After this Joran at this time desided to despose of the body in Montana body of water.



January 27, 2008:

but the real body was dumped in a body of water in noord that has not been search

The MUI was a diversion for something else.



The day the search was in noord and the body of water that was search by the police was not to retrieve a body, bud to retrieve something else

The drop has happend but is not the body natalee drop.



February 1, 2008:

In my report I choose the White one but my road is not paved

The Montana Park Apartment is where all started..The Sex etc....

so look for the owners



CAPS BEGINS PLANTING THE SEED OF NEEDING A WITNESS

JaLALA:

The Must Be 2 witness for a conviction... but then they will play the "Not reliable Witness" for one of the witness.

The father can not testified against the son. The mother will Lie. July the reporter got his papers, etc

If no Second Withness, and Not A body, He will Walk

BETWEEN FEB 1 AND FEB 5, CAPS TALKS ABOUT NEEDING A WITNESS. ALSO ABOUT HOW THEY NEVER PUT HER IN THE OCEAN. ALSO ASKING KLAAS RELENTLESSLY IF SHE'S HEARD BACK FROM DAVE YET - ABOUT HIS EMAIL TO DAVE IN DECEMBER



NOW INTRODUCES THE WHITEHOUSE - WHICH IS NEAR MOKO POND

February 5, 2008



They mus have gone to this planned rave party at the Whitehouse. where she was raped and died.

THEN A WITNESS APPEARS TO CAPS. THE ANSWER TO HIS CONSTANT REMINDER TO MONKEYS THAT WE NEED ONE. NOTE THE WITNESS FIRST CLAIMS A TIME OF 3:44 AM

February 8, 2008
I know,

a Midnight aowl (SHOCO) saw him from his veranda at 3:44 passing in fornt of his house....All in muddy from the wate down....

Have new google earth.



CAPS FINALLY HEARS BACK FROM DAVE - AND AT THIS POINT, HE IS STILL DISCUSSING BOTH MOKO AND MONTANA - NO MENTION AT THIS POINT OF MONSERAT POND



February 16, 2008



Klaasend:

Did got Email from the man, He know nows and Understand.



ON THIS SAME DATE - CAPS NOW CLAIMS THIS WITNESS WAS MOVING AROUND, ENOUGH TO KNOW SECURITY WAS PATROLLING AND CAMERAS ROLLING



The witness state that the Bird was constantly moving in circle around the area that night..

and the bird normaly will wake you up and one will tent to go look up in the sky of what is going on. and wonder.

some take pictures. If picture was taken, the Man in the bird with his power beam will see you taken pictures. and can zoom in to see who you are.

CAPS TELLS US HIS UNCLE IS AN ATTORNEY

Yes the government has his own set of lawyers and only work for the Government.

The Lawyers also represents a group that work hand in hand with the OM.


I was wondering which lawyer was on the Roll that night to handel the cases.

On the Roll means (schedule) How I know this is that my uncle is a Lawyer and He always talk abaout to have Roll duty.

It means that he is on the evening list to handel cases comming in that night. it can also be a sub prosecuter.



NOW THE TIME THE WITNESS CLAIMS HAS CHANGED. WHY WAS THIS DONE? DID THEY REALIZE THE FIRST TIME STATED DIDN'T WORK WITH THE KNOWN TIMELINE?

February 23, 2008



CAPS say: 4:05 AM Joran passing in front of a witness house dirty and missing the Right shoe



NOW ENTER THE PERSISTENCE SEARCH OF THE POND. BUT WAIT, IT'S NEITHER OF THE PONDS CAPS HAS PREVIOUSLY CLAIMED - THEY SEARCH THE MONSERRAT POND

CAPS ALSO CLAIMS THIS POND CONTAINS A TENNIS SHOE AND HUMAN REMAINS

SPECIAL NOTE - ACCORDING TO DAVE HOLLOWAY, CAPS WITNESS HAS MET WITH JOHN SILVETTI OF THE PERSISTENCE BY NOW


February 27, 2008



This time they have some special areas that they are checking. It started this morning and continue in the morning.

February 28, 2008:



Yes,

At 9:00 will go over there to amke sure they do not mis a spot....The sneaker is there....where is the sneaker is the remains.



http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=858&Itemid=1

Grupo di barco Mericano “Persistance” ta busca den dam na Montserat
Thursday, 28 February 2008

ORANJESTAD - Grupo di e barco Mericano “Persistance” ayera a dicidi di drenta dam na Montserat pa asina wak si nan por haya algo. Nan a pone un sonar ultra sofistica cu a base di un software ta lagabo wak tur cos cu tin tanto den e awa cu den e lodo den un forma tridimencional. Aunke cu e dam ta sumamente seco toch a logra haci un trabou amplio pa asina wak si por encontra algo di Nathalie Holloway. Despues di analisa tur e graphiconan cu nan a logra compila den e dam lo bai wak si ta yega na algo of no.





Quote from: oceanexploration on February 28, 2008, 03:34:45 PM


This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb). They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range. In this case we used between 50-100ft range. By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.



DESTINY ASKING THE MONKEYS IF SHE SHOULD SEND FISH TRAP PHOTOS POSTED BY ROBIN H TO ARUBAN COPS - CAPS TELLING HER NO WAY, SEVERAL TIMES - EVEN WARNS DESTINY TO BE FEARFUL FOR HERSELF IF SHE DOES



February 28, 2008:

You are right LALA, they have a room full of intell person sitting and listeting and watching..I know this for a fact.

I say do not make a move.

Want to play it safe...tell them that your computer got a Virus...had to be reformatted. everything is lost.

We live in a digital world where loosing a bit is not much but for safegaurd one self..

The new MOSvirus.irc just eat your hard disk and you are foregiven.

Lay low for a couple of days and back on track

CAPS



Do not sent anything...

I know that for a fact that if they know who you are they will fabricate any thing to put you away....I know that for a fact...so be carfull....

BTW, they have all information them self....They are the one that is playing in the band.

now they have lost a band string and they want to compare....

Shango would say DO NOT TSURT....bad move....you will not win if you show your playing cards.



CAPS REVEALS HE HAS A BROTHER WORKING WITH EITHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OR THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE



Klaasend:

watch the news of tomorrow on what the comments are today from Hans MOS...He is pisst on the search in Monserat. My bother was telling me that MOS want to know all the detail and how they came about to that area.

...Hmmmmm..

I was not there to listen to the news today...but MOS is upset....



CAPS VISITS THE POND HIMSELF

February 28, 2008:





Well I did not know till I check where the pipes are leading to.

I will have picture of the pipes tomorrow.

to get in the pipes, one must put on a coverall becuase you will get dirty and it is very dark and a long walk. to the other end.

I need big light to check these pipes.

when the pond fills up, all the debry stay in the pond only the water will move to the other end in another waterbasin. I never know about this but my dad has clearyfy it. The rain water will move to another water basin. anything large and havy will stay in the pipe since the water flow is not strong. The flow only start when the pond fills-up.

Will check it but it has a horrable stenge.

I will take some picture to compare.

THE DAY CAPS VISITS THE POND, CAPS NOW STATES THERE COULD BE HUMAN REMAINS IN MONSERAT POND, AND ALSO HUMAN REMAINS IN MOKO POND - WHICH TIES IN WITH HIS EARLIER ASSERTIONS OF THE WHITEHOUSE APARTMENTS.

KEEP REMEMBERING THAT THIS WITNESS OF CAPS HAS BY NOW MET WITH JOHN SILVETTI

February 29, 2008

The problem with Moko pool is that if they dump the body in there, this acctiion leave Joran walking home. and not to the McDonnald.

Now lets assume that what is said that the head was not part of the body no more, and that both places has been used.

The Moko Pool which is right at the doorstep of the Whitehouse Apartment and there they could have dumb a peace of the body then drive Joran to the Monserat Pool and split leaving Joran alone.

Driving to the Monserat they will dump an other peace of the body.
Split and leave Joran behind.
The Monserat pool will leave him walking to McDonald.

This will give both Simian and Shango Validity for their writtings.

BRB..
CAPS
 
 CAPS ACCUSING KERMIT OF LYING
Posted this at SM:
 
Kermit: why are you stir the monkey cage by lying....I never siad the Moko nor Montanja but the Monserat pond.


CAPS ADMITS TO DIVING AT THE CAGE/TRAP

”I went to dive a week a go to the same location, and the Cage is still there. If the cage was evidance in a murder case, why is it still in the water.”

MARCH 1 CAPS SAYS CAGE IS A POST OFFICE
(remember March 1 is when it was announced that the RV Persistence was returning home AND March 3 is when John Silvetti met with CAPS).
  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358441#msg358441


MARCH 3, 2008 – John Silvetti meets with CapsLockWizard

From an email sent from CapsLockWizard:
“Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain. Witness will gave statement to Lawyer (Helen), Lawyer will motion to drain the pond to OM. If Motion denied, will go to media and expose more dirt. John knows everything now and he will stay behind to help and protect. John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice. When I told him the story about the cage, he also understand now some things that he could not have question about. Like why is the Panter allways parked over the spot while there is notting anymore in he cage. The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. About the Pipes. They will be checked. Also John thinks that the signs are there but need to drain the pond. Also Withness is 99% it was some one that came from the pond area that he saw, because it looks like a dutch man and was cover in mud from the chest down.”


 WHO CONTACTED CAPS?
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #407 on: January 27, 2008, 12:17:04 PM
Caps are you from aruba?  A friend of mine that I talk to there, also talks like you do is only why I ask......  TIA
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333009#msg333009


AND SHE CONTACTED KYLE:
Hi there, and good to see you here at the SM site.  It was me who sent that cryptic message to your blog, [color]sorry about all that.  Its just one of the things that we dealt with here early on in the case.  It looked to be someone in the know.  You can take it down if you wish, I just thought it might be of some help.  But once again, I praise the work you guys are doing, and wish I could be there myself to help with the search.  My prayers are with all of you for a great outcome.  Hey, remember, there really are pirates out there!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2429.msg315194#msg315194

how would she possibly know this unless she has been in contact with Kyle
 
March 07, 2008, 12:54:54 PM
There are no doors on the back of the huts.  I can vouch for that.  All doors on the front.   http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/hutcollage.jpg   Kyle has taken some of the same pictures I took while over there.[color]  The new wood door, is the hut that was broken into.
--------------------------------------


John did go back to work with CAPS 2 times that I know of, to Aruba, about the Monstart pond.  He was with CAPS the whole time
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555976#msg555976

853 on: December 08, 2008, 03:05:43 PM   hotshot
I have spoken to Mr Silvetti twice.  And that was only to see if he wanted help with the pond and the search.  I would have gone to help.  do i know him personally, no.  The only information i know is from kyle or dave, and no i was not in the private forum.  You guys brought over a quote stating that kyle says john said.... tim was not needed anymore, he is a liability.  Correct?
Just answering
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4216.msg571886#msg571886


AND SHE CONTACTED JOHN SILVITTI
HotShot: SM  Reply #687 on: December 04, 2008, 06:42:20 PM »
 “[color=red}I personally have met with Tim, and Schafer way back in Jan of 2006 back when they were trying to get things going with the Persistence, and getting the OK to go to Aruban waters.  It was several of us that met with them.













WHO IS DEFENDING KYLE AND CAPS?/b]

Now, if we remember Kathy Drenga (Hotshot)  - she is the one that went to Aruba with BestBuddy & uploaded the Aru-bay videos to her website and the photos of the Lions Den. THEN she is the one that felt Natalee was buried in the cometary. THEN she thought she was in the BAG that Blonde found and that photo was seen in National Enquirer. THEN Kathy Drenga (Hotshot) started talking with Kyle and also CAPS.

as I'm reading back through ALL her posts, I'm see a picture. She is FEEDING CAPS information.That is why we see CAPS post she is in the MOKO (Kathy posted about the MOKO too), then he changes it to Montajan then the cemetery etc etc.

She sets it up for CAPS to go meet John Silvetti after contacting Kyle and from there CAPS story changes like the wind just like hers.

#902 on: July 11, 2006, 05:39:05 PM Hotshot:
I just feel those ponds that "WONT" be searched is a place that needs to be.  They know they cant drain them, too much water, and they know they cant dive them, too murky.  They are not dumb, but like to play dumb.  Don't forget they got a hit with the dogs at one, but couldn't do anything about it
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=63.msg13147#msg13147

REMEMBER THIS:
CAPS  CLAIMS THIS POND CONTAINS A TENNIS SHOE AND HUMAN REMAINS SPECIAL NOTE - ACCORDING TO DAVE HOLLOWAY, CAPS WITNESS HAS MET WITH JOHN SILVETTI OF THE PERSISTENCE BY NOW

Hotshot:
Don't know, but that mud would eat his shoes for sure.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=164.msg31737#msg31737


Hotshot: “You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS.”
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


Idstlou

213 on: September 22, 2008, 10:04:02 AM   ldstlou
Lalas!!! Our friend just called you back and you didn't answer!!! lol
Can you call him back now. 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.200
 
lalasmom
 #231 on: September 22, 2008, 11:25:48 AM   lalasmom
Sorry!!  So sorry!! LOL  Will do...give me a minute...I was talking to my kid.  Sorry!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.220
 
 
#410 on: September 23, 2008, 08:56:12 AM   ldstlou
Lalas!! your phone is ringing!!   

trying to caaaaall you!!! lol 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.msg467158#msg467158
 
413 on: September 23, 2008, 09:03:27 AM  lalassmom
No it's not!  LOL  Try again.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.msg467158#msg467158
 
 
#344 on: September 22, 2008, 09:20:45 PM   lalasmom
So Tim Miller and John Silvetti are the ones that made arrangements for Caps witness to come to the USA and take the polygraph.  Mos was a bit upset.  Why am I not surprised?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.340

lalas here/attachment/don't delete
Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:16 AM
Capslockwizard info.
[Note: This was the email to Dave Holloway]


Yapperz
 #476 on: Today at 10:18:37 PM  yapperz
Tamikosmom posted:
<snip>
Yap ... do you have information to the contrary.

Janet

______


Janet, actually I do. I would rather not go in to it here. You are welcome to get my email address from Klaas.

It is very clear to me and has been for many months. Probably before it became clear to you. Janet states she was alone when she doubted Caps...Go back before that in Shango and read, please. Try around April, probably the middle.  I have a heap of emails that go back much earlier than that.

Just because you think you are right does not make it so. My theory may not be correct either, but please don't act like this is all some new breakthrough!

I am familiar with the dates as well, Thank You. I read what is posted.

Now I will go back to my research which I have been working on as soon as I finish catching up.

As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion. JMO  
.

ssshhhhh I am slipping you one.... ::MonkeyWink::

. . John Silvetti moved the contents of the trap to the pond and was working with the ALE to hide evidence that was in that trap.

MUM - I don't like private invite only forums mostly because they end up causing problems.  I really don't like ChatnGrumble because I happen to know that Destiny and ******* are spreading lies about me and they are also both moderators at ChatnGrumble.  They are both either nuts or incredibly stupid but they are 100% wrong.  So if that is the private forum you belong to they will not get a "kudos" from me. 

You really do have to wonder about a private invite only forum that feels a need to have a secret hidey hole within the private invite only forum for the very special of the very special people.  ::MonkeyRoll::

I don't care whether anyone here respects me or not, and am not required to earn anything.

I cannot speak for anyone else - however, I was the one who personally contacted JQK and sent the photos to him.  My focus was to make sure that he and the family were AWARE of the photos' existence.  He did not offer an opinion - nor did I ask for one.  I sent the photos on September 16, and he confirmed on September 17 that he had received them.

If people think it's a diversion why not speak up and explain why?No one has!I'll wait to hear why this is a diversion..Anyone???Please explain the diversion to the slow people who are not in the know so to speak.TIA

Mum, I know you don't care for my opinions, but I think the
reason Kermit posted the snips about the ponds, was because
Caps came on this forum and said that he had never posted
about any pond except the Monserat Pond.  It was just Kermit
refuting the statement.

Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

What is the diversion and what are we supposed to be diverted from?Anyone?TIA

Now what in the world could be the reason for Silvetti to do that?!
Who is buying that crap ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Wingnut - and that is my point.  Kermit has never said that she single handedly did anything (except maybe in jest).  Thank you for sending the information to JQK.

Not me.  This is where some credibility began to wear thin.  imho.

Not me.  This is where some credibility began to wear thin.  imho.

Thanks Wingnut - and that is my point.  Kermit has never said that she single handedly did anything (except maybe in jest).  Thank you for sending the information to JQK.

If people think it's a diversion why not speak up and explain why?No one has!I'll wait to hear why this is a diversion..Anyone???Please explain the diversion to the slow people who are not in the know so to speak.TIA

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032507/

At least 53 dead in Bangkok nightclub fire, police say


Are we sure Joran is in fact in Laos now?

Your post reminds me of this:

Start with a cage containing five monkeys. In the cage, hang a banana on a string and put a set of stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana. As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the monkeys with cold water. After awhile, another monkey makes an attempt with the same result. Pretty soon, when any monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.
Now, turn off the cold water. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his horror, all of the other monkeys attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm. Again, replace a third original monkey with a new one. The new one makes it to the stairs and is attacked as well. Two of the four monkeys that beat him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs, or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

After replacing the fourth and fifth original monkeys, all the monkeys which have been sprayed with cold water have been replaced. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs. Why not? Because that's the way things are, now…

Klaasend,
Do you know if Tim Miller or John Silvetti has been interviewed about the retrieval of the contents of the cage?
Linda

OK - please go on with any discussions that we were diverted from.  

Maybe is crap, but didn't Kyle himself raise the issue of Silvetti's loyalties which I believe is why he's in hot water.

LOL!  Yes, by all means!

Now this should be interesting.  Some days it seems everything is a diversion.  I suspect that some days they are in fact just that.

Maybe is crap, but didn't Kyle himself raise the issue of Silvetti's loyalties which I believe is why he's in hot water.

Yes, he certainly did.  He told us in no uncertain terms that he felt Silvetti's intentions began as honorable - but that his focus shifted.

Also that Silvetti didn't want to question ALE about their insistence the cage was "not relevant" for fear of ruining newly made friendships and contacts.  Because Silvetti had plans to open an office on the island and do business in S America and Aruba.

FWIW - Kyle also never, ever believed in this whole pond witness thing, until the very end when we were wanting to publish our document containing the cage images and Kyle's words.

Then all of a sudden he says the pond witness is "credible", and Silvetti is, after all, "trustworthy".

I took that with a whole dumptruck of salt.

Keepthefaith...Not sure why you don't get it...Ado did, probably because you are so busy trying to stir up the damn pot with your posts. And boy have you made a lot of them since November 18th...there is that darn date again...Oh My!

Happy New Year's!

Ree, that statement that implies Silvetti and the ALE conspired to move evidence to another location...and oh, let me think here...uh...they moved it, but no one found where they moved it, which was to a pond that CAPS finally decided on after several attempts to pick a a proper pond to move it to, so that his witness would be giving the correct information to place Joran at that decided upon pond...with the transplanted evidence, that even now has not been 'found'....maybe they are waiting for Mum and Lala's to come to Aruba and find that transplanted evidence that we all know is in the third pond.

Sheesh.  I'm sorry, but that implication just doesn't strike me as plausible.

Remember Hotshot (Kathy Drenga) just recently told the monkeys that it was HER who directed Caps (and the witness) to Silvetti.
 
Could this REALLY be the first sign to prove the suspicions that Silvetti gave something from that trap to be put in the pond?  Shoe?  Skull? - speculation.  

AND, as I recall - his sudden "about face" came out of nowhere.  After he had been absent from the forum for, ummm, two months or so?  We were like WTF?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032507/

At least 53 dead in Bangkok nightclub fire, police say


Are we sure Joran is in fact in Laos now?

Sorry for the OT, but I just noticed your disclaimer in the bottom of your post.  I love it! ::MonkeyHaHa::

AND, as I recall - his sudden "about face" came out of nowhere.  After he had been absent from the forum for, ummm, two months or so?  We were like WTF?

Keepthefaith...Not sure why you don't get it...Ado did, probably because you are so busy trying to stir up the damn pot with your posts. And boy have you made a lot of them since November 18th...there is that darn date again...Oh My!

Happy New Year's!

I'm Simply not as Knowledgable as some but to insinuate i'm stirring up the pot is pretty unfortunate.Personnally attacking me doesn't bother me!I don't know what the diversion is?I'm stirring the pot From Seattle,in my store,for what reason.Please do explain my motivation Mum??

Truthseeker2.As you are an analyst and i am not.Please explain as to why i shouldn't believe Kermit??No one as of yet has refutted with any clarity as to why anyhting Kermit is saying is untrue..

Klaasend,
Might Dana be interested in interviewing Tim Miller or John Silvetti about the retrieval of the contents of the cage?
Linda

thanks for bumping that ldstlou.

Speculation being the key word there, I believe.  No accusations like you have suggested.

How insulting of you

Yep, unbelieveble. Someone who would bring on such a story i found not credible anymore.

Klaasend,
Might Dana be interested in interviewing Tim Miller or John Silvetti about the retrieval of the contents of the cage?
Linda

wingnut, see this is what irks me...you tell half truths for your own agenda. He was gone for 2 months because he was on a ship in Egypt for crying out loud...why make it out to be anything more than it was?

wingnut, see this is what irks me...you tell half truths for your own agenda. He was gone for 2 months because he was on a ship in Egypt for crying out loud...why make it out to be anything more than it was?

Please explain of what significance November 18, 2008 has?  KeeptheFaith has been a member of SM for over a year now.

wingnut, see this is what irks me...you tell half truths for your own agenda. He was gone for 2 months because he was on a ship in Egypt for crying out loud...why make it out to be anything more than it was?

Please fill me in on the latest with URINE...he is in Laos??

It appears Kyle had internet access while he was in Egypt, or at least it looks that way from his blog:

http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/

http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/

a voice of reason. I think that is a terrific idea!

Sorry, I botched that post.  You state it wasn't found, but who looked?  CAPS was alluding the remains in these ponds, but has there actually been a credible search?  IIRC the original allegation was Silvetti was interested in hiding evidence in the cage to cover up his real motives for the ocean scan.  I know nothing about ocean scans and searching for oil, but I do know Kyle questioned his motives until he found out shooting off his mouth in a private forum could come back to bite him in the ass.

It appears Kyle had internet access while he was in Egypt, or at least it looks that way from his blog:

http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/

http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/

Remember the 35 to 50 Dutch investigators.who were sent from Holland.
Both Kyle and Caps mentioned that and no one else saw hide nor hair of them.
What was that about?

No - if you had read my letter, you would understand a bit better.

Kyle was "gone" for the most part since approximately MAY.

The final two months of that (Aug and Sept) was when he was out of the country.

No half truths in wingnut's post at all.

My follow up post to hers was just to point out what Kyle had been doing, and for whom, before his immediate about face regarding Silvetti and this witness.

truthseeker - you raise some very good points about evidence/pond/cage.

one question I have that maybe some monkeys could answer..................

wasn't there rumor going around about a shoe that WAS found at/near/in the pond?

I think something that Jossy had said?

Now - I may be confusing that with the shoes that were found in that rocky area - but my mind is telling me there was another rumor about a shoe having been found after the pond was "drained".

Remember the 35 to 50 Dutch investigators.who were sent from Holland.
Both Kyle and Caps mentioned that and no one else saw hide nor hair of them.
What was that about?

Well, that pond is bone dry now.  Looks like someone was playing around out there, but no footprints, so they didn't play around out there until the ground was completely dry.  Has anyone heard about any evidence (planted or otherwise) being found in that dried up pond?  I haven't.

Great point!

I would like to know how Lisa purports to know what Kyle posted or did not post in Freebirds. 3 actual members (Kermit, wingnut, and jen) relay what/when he actually posted. Kyle doesn't refute what they say to anyone but Lisa or Hotshot. I can understand you believing any and everything Kyle tells you personally -- but to totally dismiss what people WHO WERE THERE (Freebirds) say is simply putting your head in the sand.

Very interesting.

Where's Jossy and parts 2, 3, 4, etc?  If Jossy's son was on the dive recovery team, why aren't we hearing anything?

I would like to know how Lisa purports to know what Kyle posted or did not post in Freebirds. 3 actual members (Kermit, wingnut, and jen) relay what/when he actually posted. Kyle doesn't refute what they say to anyone but Lisa or Hotshot. I can understand you believing any and everything Kyle tells you personally -- but to totally dismiss what people WHO WERE THERE (Freebirds) say is simply putting your head in the sand.

Where's Jossy and parts 2, 3, 4, etc?  If Jossy's son was on the dive recovery team, why aren't we hearing anything?

So why can't he change his mind about John Silvetti? Why is that an untruth and conspiracy because in hindsight after emotions have died down and he had time to reflect upon what happened and he decides he over reacted in regards to his concerns...that you call FACTS...why is that "about face" so unbelievable...because it ruined your conspiracy?

Anna,

You have made some excellent points the last few pages.

The point here is - what happened to the items Aruba recovered from that trap?

What can we all do to get an investigation into this?

Tim Miller and Kyle Kingman both believe there were human remains in that trap.

The rest of us weren't there -we can only go by their words and beliefs, and the images Kyle shared.

so did you contact him Jen? Guy dissappears for 2 months while you are compiling your "findings" and you didn't want to contact him or run any of your ideas past him? hmmmmm

I would like to know how Lisa purports to know what Kyle posted or did not post in Freebirds. 3 actual members (Kermit, wingnut, and jen) relay what/when he actually posted. Kyle doesn't refute what they say to anyone but Lisa or Hotshot. I can understand you believing any and everything Kyle tells you personally -- but to totally dismiss what people WHO WERE THERE (Freebirds) say is simply putting your head in the sand.

And Tim Miller was away on Jan 7 when the contents were recovered by ALE.

You really don't read many posts, do you?

Read my letter again.  All the answers to that question are in it.

Look lady - I don't know who you are, and I don't really care.  But what you're calling MY conspiracy is not mine at all.

They are KYLE's beliefs, KYLE's words, and KYLE's concerns - and those are all separate from the FACTS Kyle shared with us as well.

And what's rather comical about this post of yours is - the fact that Kyle KNOWS Silvetti was self serving when that trap was found, and the fact that Kyle BELIEVED that witness to be full of crap, but then comes back and tells us differently after working for Silvetti, only re-enforced the questions in my mind about something hinky going on between John and this witness.

Not the other way around like you posted.

I would like to know how Lisa purports to know what Kyle posted or did not post in Freebirds. 3 actual members (Kermit, wingnut, and jen) relay what/when he actually posted. Kyle doesn't refute what they say to anyone but Lisa or Hotshot. I can understand you believing any and everything Kyle tells you personally -- but to totally dismiss what people WHO WERE THERE (Freebirds) say is simply putting your head in the sand.

so did you contact him Jen? Guy dissappears for 2 months while you are compiling your "findings" and you didn't want to contact him or run any of your ideas past him? hmmmmm

Ummm.. make it 4 now...  ::MonkeyCool::

I been reading several pages.. and YES.. I read and seen it all. So.. I can say in all honesty.. I cak up 100% what Kermit, Jen and Wingnut are posting. I love yah all here at SM and also the folks at freebirds. I may as well resign from there now that I suppose I outed myself as well. I didnt do a whole hell of alot there. I really didnt have time due to work. I read all what Kyle has posted and PLEASE people.. listen to Kermit..Jen and Wingnut.

Now.. I guess I differed this thread.. lol  Anyhow.. I really need to go and get a shower and get the hell out of the house~!

Have a Happy New Year everyone !!

Jen and Wing.. I apologize.. but reading page after page after page.. I wanted others to know you guys are not full of shit !!
 ::MonkeyCool::

so you got a "hinky feeling" That is not PROOF of the conspiracy you are putting out here.

And really what you should have said is "YOU believe Kyle believed". Because you just said he stated he doesn't believes that now.

It's all pure speculation on your part.

I see this alot, people jumping the gun before actually reading what was said. 

Ummm.. make it 4 now...  ::MonkeyCool::

I been reading several pages.. and YES.. I read and seen it all. So.. I can say in all honesty.. I cak up 100% what Kermit, Jen and Wingnut are posting. I love yah all here at SM and also the folks at freebirds. I may as well resign from there now that I suppose I outed myself as well. I didnt do a whole hell of alot there. I really didnt have time due to work. I read all what Kyle has posted and PLEASE people.. listen to Kermit..Jen and Wingnut.

Now.. I guess I differed this thread.. lol  Anyhow.. I really need to go and get a shower and get the hell out of the house~!

Have a Happy New Year everyone !!

Jen and Wing.. I apologize.. but reading page after page after page.. I wanted others to know you guys are not full of shit !!
 ::MonkeyCool::

Are you implying that something nefarious was taking place?  Kyle contacted us in order for the Freebirds to disseminate the information in a controlled manner.  HIS words.  That's what we were doing. 

Ummm.. make it 4 now...  ::MonkeyCool::

I been reading several pages.. and YES.. I read and seen it all. So.. I can say in all honesty.. I cak up 100% what Kermit, Jen and Wingnut are posting. I love yah all here at SM and also the folks at freebirds. I may as well resign from there now that I suppose I outed myself as well. I didnt do a whole hell of alot there. I really didnt have time due to work. I read all what Kyle has posted and PLEASE people.. listen to Kermit..Jen and Wingnut.

Now.. I guess I differed this thread.. lol  Anyhow.. I really need to go and get a shower and get the hell out of the house~!

Have a Happy New Year everyone !!

Jen and Wing.. I apologize.. but reading page after page after page.. I wanted others to know you guys are not full of shit !!
 ::MonkeyCool::

I didn't dismiss anything Wreck. I simply asked Kyle questions. I said before, Kyle walked away with some concerns about the conduct of the Arubans and some strange coincidences that went on. I can understand that perfectly. He didn't hide those concerns...how in the heck did the Freebirds get the info if he was hiding it? He discussed the concerns with them! How do we go from he had some questions as to what transpired via the ALE...to yesterday Kermit states the suspicions are that John Silvetti removed evidence from the trap and placed it in the pond?

Yes, the louse is in Laos.  Hanging out at some bars that appear to attack tourists.  (Some things never change)

Ummm.. make it 4 now...  ::MonkeyCool::

I been reading several pages.. and YES.. I read and seen it all. So.. I can say in all honesty.. I cak up 100% what Kermit, Jen and Wingnut are posting. I love yah all here at SM and also the folks at freebirds. I may as well resign from there now that I suppose I outed myself as well. I didnt do a whole hell of alot there. I really didnt have time due to work. I read all what Kyle has posted and PLEASE people.. listen to Kermit..Jen and Wingnut.

Now.. I guess I differed this thread.. lol  Anyhow.. I really need to go and get a shower and get the hell out of the house~!

Have a Happy New Year everyone !!

Jen and Wing.. I apologize.. but reading page after page after page.. I wanted others to know you guys are not full of shit !!
 ::MonkeyCool::

Ummm.. make it 4 now...  ::MonkeyCool::

I been reading several pages.. and YES.. I read and seen it all. So.. I can say in all honesty.. I cak up 100% what Kermit, Jen and Wingnut are posting. I love yah all here at SM and also the folks at freebirds. I may as well resign from there now that I suppose I outed myself as well. I didnt do a whole hell of alot there. I really didnt have time due to work. I read all what Kyle has posted and PLEASE people.. listen to Kermit..Jen and Wingnut.

Now.. I guess I differed this thread.. lol  Anyhow.. I really need to go and get a shower and get the hell out of the house~!

Have a Happy New Year everyone !!

Jen and Wing.. I apologize.. but reading page after page after page.. I wanted others to know you guys are not full of shit !!
 ::MonkeyCool::

oh...a "controlled manner" gotcha!

Awwww,  so good to see you, Angie.

Thanks Angie, and good to see you!!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

I appreciate your doing this, but I had no doubts about wingnut and jen's sincerity.

Happy New Year!!!!

Hey Ang!  You did more than you know.  There were many times that you held me up.  I hope you have a FAB New Year.  You deserve it more than most.

Love ya Sistah!

Subject: Caps

I have asked repeatedly for many months for those who doubt Caps to tell me the reasons why.  Show me some proof he's not who he claims to be or from where he claims to be from.  I've never received any proof that he is not who he claims to be, or that he is only here as a diversion.  The only things that were posted about these doubts in many instances I found to be as cryptic as some of Caps posts.  From my own communications with him fairly recently, I started to have my own doubts about some things.  Basically how he knew certain things, and how that information changed from what he'd already told me.  

I only want the truth. I want to know what happened to Natalee, where she is, and for her to be brought home.  Justice for her and her family would be the utmost, but I doubt that will ever happen.

In the past I have stood up for Caps when the basis of doubts was a post he made on the seven sins, the post was obviously cut and pasted from somewhere else.  The claim was that because of that post Caps was a master of the English language and was deceiving us all with his usual somewhat broken English way of speaking.  That was not proof in my opinion.  This was not the only time I stood by him, there were others.  Each time I was attacked for defending him; but was never provided any information that proved that Caps was/is deceiving us.  If there is information that proves that Caps is not from Aruba, is not who he claims to be; and that he was involved in a conspiracy...I would like to know about it.  Please!

From Caps own admissions I know he met with John Silvetti, from my understanding this is what he believed Dave Holloway wanted him to do.  From my understanding Caps has never communicated with Dave Holloway other than through email, although he provided other means for Dave to contact him.  Caps has also told me that he never met or had dealings with anyone else on the Persistence.  From my perspective of my discussions with Caps and what I have read here, I believe there is a possibility that he and his information was used to further the agenda of others.

I have read Caps original logic report that was sent to some in January from what I can tell.  I have only received and read it in the past few months.  From my understanding he researched the logic of Natalee being placed in all of the ponds that have been mentioned, the most logical conclusion to the research was that she was placed in the pond at Monserat.

I've checked the sitemeter before too, and know that there were times that he was here and Aruba did show up.  

I have a lot of questions, and I also have an open mind.  I want any and all information that is known to help me decide if I was duped/conned or whatever.  What I have said in the past was my belief from the information I had.  So far I don't have any information that convinces me otherwise.

I will repeat this because this is why I am here.

I only want the truth. I want to know what happened to Natalee, where she is, and for her to be brought home.  Justice for her and her family would be the utmost, but I doubt that will ever happen.
 

You're not even making sense any more.  I would suggest you go back and carefully re-read everything that has been posted by Kermit, wingnut and myself about what Kyle has said.

That really might be helpful to you.

Including my letter that clearly stated - NONE of Kyle's words that have been posted here were taken out of context.

Best of luck to you - I'm not playing your games any more.

Thanx Truthseeker2.Forgot to respond to the last response. Will stand with the Frog until the finality then take my thoughts from there.If i'm wrong i will Eat crow then bury my head in the sand rightfully so... ::MonkeyDance::.Until then.Ribbit...

Subject: Caps

I have asked repeatedly for many months for those who doubt Caps to tell me the reasons why.  Show me some proof he's not who he claims to be or from where he claims to be from.  I've never received any proof that he is not who he claims to be, or that he is only here as a diversion.  The only things that were posted about these doubts in many instances I found to be as cryptic as some of Caps posts.  From my own communications with him fairly recently, I started to have my own doubts about some things.  Basically how he knew certain things, and how that information changed from what he'd already told me.  

I only want the truth. I want to know what happened to Natalee, where she is, and for her to be brought home.  Justice for her and her family would be the utmost, but I doubt that will ever happen.

In the past I have stood up for Caps when the basis of doubts was a post he made on the seven sins, the post was obviously cut and pasted from somewhere else.  The claim was that because of that post Caps was a master of the English language and was deceiving us all with his usual somewhat broken English way of speaking.  That was not proof in my opinion.  This was not the only time I stood by him, there were others.  Each time I was attacked for defending him; but was never provided any information that proved that Caps was/is deceiving us.  If there is information that proves that Caps is not from Aruba, is not who he claims to be; and that he was involved in a conspiracy...I would like to know about it.  Please!

From Caps own admissions I know he met with John Silvetti, from my understanding this is what he believed Dave Holloway wanted him to do.  From my understanding Caps has never communicated with Dave Holloway other than through email, although he provided other means for Dave to contact him.  Caps has also told me that he never met or had dealings with anyone else on the Persistence.  From my perspective of my discussions with Caps and what I have read here, I believe there is a possibility that he and his information was used to further the agenda of others.

I have read Caps original logic report that was sent to some in January from what I can tell.  I have only received and read it in the past few months.  From my understanding he researched the logic of Natalee being placed in all of the ponds that have been mentioned, the most logical conclusion to the research was that she was placed in the pond at Monserat.

I've checked the sitemeter before too, and know that there were times that he was here and Aruba did show up.  

I have a lot of questions, and I also have an open mind.  I want any and all information that is known to help me decide if I was duped/conned or whatever.  What I have said in the past was my belief from the information I had.  So far I don't have any information that convinces me otherwise.

I will repeat this because this is why I am here.

I only want the truth. I want to know what happened to Natalee, where she is, and for her to be brought home.  Justice for her and her family would be the utmost, but I doubt that will ever happen.

You're not even making sense any more.  I would suggest you go back and carefully re-read everything that has been posted by Kermit, wingnut and myself about what Kyle has said.

That really might be helpful to you.

Including my letter that clearly stated - NONE of Kyle's words that have been posted here were taken out of context.

Best of luck to you - I'm not playing your games any more.

Read your letter clearly...and because you said so...I am supposed to believe right? ok then..NOT!

So keep disseminated half truths...and John stole evidence from the cage and placed it in the pond right? And Tim Miller and Dave and Beth and Jug were all duped, right? And The FBI were kept out of the loop right? And somehow Dateline missed it all right? Damn that crew of the Persistence were good!!! Oh...slipped it past the "thought print" Dr. too...he wasn't reading the members of the Crew too well either was he?
And Hotshot lead the conspiracy...and Lalas and I were all in on it.

It is so rediculous...it would be laughable if people weren't buying it.

But you still can't tell me if Beth, JQK and the FBI bought the conspiracy theory right?

You all have a Happy New Year!!
I am out of here.

Heyyyy.I thought i was the one stirring the pot.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I really can't believe someone hasn't beat the crap  out of him yet.....and disappear his body

So how were you to know Kyle had had this change of heart in the interim from the time he made the posts until he resurfaced?  Should we all check back with each other to see if anybody has changed their mind about something?  Aren't people usually responsible for getting that information on a board themselves?

LOL.  I just hate that it appears sides are to be taken, sotospeak.  But I guess it is what it is.   ::MonkeyCool::

I think it is ok to agree to disagree.I still think that the Power families on the island know what happened per se!It could be real simple.What's not simple for me is how many people in those families are unwilling to facilitate in some way to get to the truth,as well as bringing Natalee Home.There is so many back channel's that could be used.It's Aruba.Who's gonna prosecute anyone 31/2 to 4 yrs later??I hope someone does but will never hold my breath

Read your letter clearly...and because you said so...I am supposed to believe right? ok then..NOT!

So keep disseminated half truths...and John stole evidence from the cage and placed it in the pond right? And Tim Miller and Dave and Beth and Jug were all duped, right? And The FBI were kept out of the loop right? And somehow Dateline missed it all right? Damn that crew of the Persistence were good!!! Oh...slipped it past the "thought print" Dr. too...he wasn't reading the members of the Crew too well either was he?
And Hotshot lead the conspiracy...and Lalas and I were all in on it.

It is so rediculous...it would be laughable if people weren't buying it.

But you still can't tell me if Beth, JQK and the FBI bought the conspiracy theory right?

You all have a Happy New Year!!
I am out of here.

I think it is ok to agree to disagree.I still think that the Power families on the island know what happened per se!It could be real simple.What's not simple for me is how many people in those families are unwilling to facilitate in some way to get to the truth,as well as bringing Natalee Home.There is so many back channel's that could be used.It's Aruba.Who's gonna prosecute anyone 31/2 to 4 yrs later??I hope someone does but will never hold my breath

I will email Caps and ask if it is o.k. to share it, without his o.k. I can't.  I'm sorry, maybe I shouldn't have brought it up.  I only did because I think that the references to the other ponds may come from his research of the possibilites of all of them.  I believe he researched those possibilities because of searches that were done and/or the mentioning of certain places by Simian and/or Shango.  If I hear back from Caps, I will either post it; or let you know that he does not want it posted.

Yeah, I don't think we can hold our breath for that either.  I agree that people on Aruba know.  But, what do they know?  I will say/ask again, albeit rhetorical, What truth is so horrific that those in charge on Aruba are willing to let the entire island suffer for it instead of letting the truth come out?  There must be people in Aruba who made that decision and decided the truth was worse than a justifiable end to the torment they caused a family.  They decided the entire island will pay for this.  If I was living in Aruba I would be really pizzed off!

Or if you are Admin and can see all the IP's he has used when posting.

Capslock is/was in and posting from Aruba, I do not doubt that.

Texas mom,

can you share the date this report was created?  And whether it was before or after this pond witness entered the picture?

LADIES & GENTLEMEN.....

Here in one hand we have Freebirds, Kermit, Jen, Wingnut, Angie and Rob.
all attesting to Kyle's post and ROV images that were posted at
the Freebirds site, but not turned over to authorities.  By his own
admission, Kyle tried to sell those images for his own profit.  All five
of these people say this is the truth.

In the other hand we have Kyle........

Who do you believe?

Texas mom,

can you share the date this report was created?  And whether it was before or after this pond witness entered the picture?

I have no way of knowing exactly when it was created.  I haven't sent my email yet, so I will add that question and hope that Caps responds to my email.  I haven't looked at the report again today, but the email that was posted last night (but removed) reminded me a lot of what I'd read.  IIRC the date of that email was January 30th.  I believe others received the logic report months before I read it, maybe they can verify when they received it.

OK thanks!!  Hopefully he will allow you to share it....it seemed to bring some clarity to you and hope we can all share in that

Mum,

If you look at the dates of those posts by Caps, versus the date he sent his email to Dave Holloway of "I know where she is" and including the post by Caps about all Dave needs to do is get some pumps to bring her home......

Well - you'll see that Caps was still jumping from pond to pond to pond at the time he was stating those things.

Then miraculously comes this "witness" that Caps kept saying over and over was needed.

Then all of a sudden it's the Monserrat pond - not any of the other two ponds Caps was discussing (those other ponds were still his focus when he emailed Dave).

Combine that with Hotshot claiming to be the one who put Caps and this "witness" in touch with John Silvetti.

Take that one step further, and look at Silvetti's utter lack of attention to that cage - to the point where he cussed at Kyle for trying to pursue the matter.

Then look at Hot Shot's posts about removing items from the cage.

Then look at Caps posts regarding a shoe and human remains in the pond......

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Scary how this is coming together.  (Are  you stating they moved  body parts?  I think you need to rethink this all.I did get CAPS to go to Silvetti or Tim  for help with the pond.  that is just what he did.  Silvetti went back to Aruba to do more searching with the pond.  he also went to get signatures to do more with the pond, and  that  didnt pan out due to MOS).   
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Rob says
Yanno Kath, it's about time someone told you so you don't spend the rest of your life in HERO STATUS - but you're(edit). I hope you are not back here in the New Year just like Caps and that cowardly Kyle.  (who are you calling me HERO STATUS)? Your the one who bragged how you'd be driving a Lambhorgini by being the hero.  Rob, you not what you think you are, trust me on this!
I would have banned your ass so long ago you wouldn't even remember this board.  (If you only knew who really doesnt appreciate your actions, and posts, you'd be amazed.)

And btw - one more thing - your brand of helping has helped no one. That's the kind of "help" we can all do without.  (You weren't much help either Rob)   
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Destiny and ******* started up their own private forum.  (Assumption WRONG)!
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The following  wasnt his job, it was silvettis!
Maybe not as far as that's concerned, but certainly Kyle/responsible party did not turn over evidence to the family/FBI in a timely manner so there was a coverup exposed.
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TruthSeeker, I read everyone of your posts....
Sunny, I agree  with people misreading too. It is getting ugly.  unessasary.
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Jen says
You made a post in the last thread about Caps posting, and a lack of Aruban people on the meter.  (thats because he now has a program that doesnt show where he is from anymore)
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