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Anna,

.....Finbar?

Robots would have already been first!

you would not have the Chicago video if unqualified did not joint the search unathorized. and a lot of other info.
newscasters do not count as qualified also. ::MonkeyWink::

Maybe naive?  I don't see where talking with Joran, Steve Croes, Kawish, etc etc has gotten anyone anywhere.  I do agree she only wants to help. 

Oh, don't mind me.  Apparently my imagination is too vivid but it did seem that ld waxed far more eloquent in her defense of Kyle than normally.  I wondered if he was directly dictating what she would say in his defense.  Just didn't sound much like her to me.

jmoo

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Oh yes, I remember now!

So where does ldstlou fit into this?These maybe repetitive questions but would like to understand where they are coming from in terms of Kyle.TIA

HUH?  First off they are not the "Chicago videos".  Poster Chicago_510 simply uploaded the Aru-bay videos onto google videos. 

The index of images still exists for the original Aru-bay site and the videos are all there.  That is exactly what I'm talking about.  Locating stuff like this online and making it known and researching aspects of it is what we CAN do.  The Aru-bay videos were sent to the family investigators way back in August 2005 along with information on Paul Brough aka Mr. Pink.  I personally sent it but others may have sent as well. 

http://www.aru-bay.com/images/

It is strange how the bungled fish trap investigation and the pond became merged. 

Is there something right before us that we are missing about all this?

Well, I am glad at least someone else noticed this.  Was suddenly like she was channeling Kyle to me.  Long paragraphs, sentence structure, etc.  Just different.

Does anyone have an idea at what point in the ocean search that the detective and his brother met with the Persistence crew?  I'm curious as to if it was before the search began...or at what point?

It was towards the end, after the trap was located I believe.  January or February 2008.

Klaas, I have to agree with you on inserting yourself in an on-going murder investigation.  I think the number of well-meaning people out there that did exactly as hotshot did (and no I am not bashing her-I feel she really does great things for Natalee and her family) probably complicated the goings-on in Aruba and put them more at odds with the family members.  I know Beth and Dave are appreciative of all help they received but sometimes it probably did more harm than good with the relationship between Aruba and Natalee's family.  (JMO)

Thanks Klaas!

Hi Tib...Happy New Year to you as well...Will switch our weather for a week or two!

SS......I have 2 different IPs on the same page of a thread in this Forum. I think I have a screen capture, if not I will make sure I do it. I also use more than one computer, so I have absolutely no idea what point Kermit has been trying to make. Especially now she professes to use 7...Oh...I guess she is now CIA, FBI or something... ::MonkeyWaa::

Remember ALE is watching. FBI too.  ::MonkeyEek::

Click on my profile and you can see a post of mine this morning about Caps posting from Aruba. It seems I was tracking Caps long before either Kermit and Jen, and Yes he was posting from Aruba. I have a heap of them saved.

By my calculations I have managed to squeeze in before all the "devices".  ::MonkeyWink::

So after the contents of the fish trap were removed by ALE?

Anna I'm not sure about that because we didn't find out until later that ALE removed the contents of the trap.  I could search and try and find the exact day or week.  I do believe it was AFTER ALE removed the contents though, after January 7.

Well, it's in that last long post by Kermit.  I can just trot back in the last thread and see.

Oops...Hi Caps...But you knew I was watching, didn't you?

There are 4 desktops, 3 laptops and a hand held computer at my house, and I'm not CIA, MUM.  That gives me 8, one more than Kermit.  I usually use my desk top, but can and have used any of them in the house.  And if I did outside employment, there could be another computer.  Just sayin'...What is so unbelievable about having multiple computers in this day and age?

blonde:

when you come back
could you post the photo of finbar
w/ his bro?

IIRC fin is the good-looking one

(tried search function but couldn't find photo)

TIA

I had a thought...doesn't happen often. ::MonkeyHaHa::

When Mos arrested J2K again in Nov, 2007, he said that
he could charge the Ks with at least body disposal or disposal
of human reamins.

Since Kyle stated many times that human remains were found,
could ALE be made to produce those remains for testing.
If they can't or won't produce any remains, could they be
charged with body disposal or disposal of human remains?

At least it would be a starting place.

Hi Muffy...Absolutely nothing, which is why I can't understand why Kermit kept posting that Caps uses more than one computer.

Good Night it is way late for me...

Goodnight Mum.Hope you caught my last post!

Just logged in tonight and have many prev. pages to read, but started w/this page.

I agree Klass, the Aru-bay video site was where all the videos were housed. They were not the 'Chicago510' videos - Poster Chicago510 merely took the vids fronm the aru-bay site and uploaded them. He once told me he wished he kept the original names that were on that site. I had them on my other computer which crashed a few yrs ago. 

However I was asked by the 'family' to do a synopsis of what I felt the videos meant-- from the music, the landscape, etc, and even the order in which they were filmed. I will dig out that info I sent to them via email and post here eventually or send to Blonde for perhaps a potential new thread.

Good night Mum, and thank you for your reply.

OK, I think this gives us a rough time frame.  This is from Kermit's post:


KEEP REMEMBERING THAT THIS WITNESS OF CAPS HAS BY NOW MET WITH JOHN SILVETTI

February 29, 2008

MARCH 3, 2008 – John Silvetti meets with CapsLockWizard

From an email sent from CapsLockWizard:
“Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain. Witness will gave statement to Lawyer (Helen), Lawyer will motion to drain the pond to OM. If Motion denied, will go to media and expose more dirt. John knows everything now and he will stay behind to help and protect. John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice.

--snip--------

John did go back to work with CAPS 2 times that I know of, to Aruba, about the Monstart pond.  He was with CAPS the whole time
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555976#msg555976



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.700

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Of course, Caps could tell us exactly.

Hi Poochy - I have them all saved and on 2 PC's and also on CD.   Yes, even several of the videos prior to when Natalee was in Aruba were very interresting indeed, especially the 2 filmed on Tattoo.

BUMP

There is no connection IMHO  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think they ARE linked. The pond was a diversion for what was really found in the cage. The pond was the VERY last thing searched by the Persitence crew. Did they purposely plant the cage evidence in the pond????

Why such a strong opposition to the Cage and the Persistence??I'm still not understanding from Kyle's own words how people are not concerned?What is the problem?Someone please enlighten................. ::MonkeyCool::

KTF, just when everyone is back on track, actually discussing real issues, do you really want to drag everyone back to attack mode?

You mean like drop the evidence over the side of that little bitty boat?
I don't think they put any evidence in the pond.  I think we were just
made to think that Joran and company had put the body there.
I think that was done to keep the Monkeys from looking into the
Persistence search any further.

The issues for me are the cage and the cover-up and why people are so opposed to it.What's your issues??

But at one point in time, Kyle said Caps might even be Dirty Hand!

Then next thing we know, they are all big chums?  How did that happen.

These are things that make me be confused and tend to think it is ALL just BS.  Natalee is prolly under the concrete at the Sloots and it is ALL a diversion.

Well I always felt the search they did was a big sham.

The issues for me are the cage and the cover-up and why people are so opposed to it.What's your issues?

Iris.I await your response.What are your issues?

I would think that Greta has more of an inside scoop on all this, and she actually discussed the new witness and the pond, but is not discussing the trap.  I was a believer in remains in the trap for a long time, but am starting to believe the trap had nothing to do with Natalee and the Persistance did pull out for lack of funds, and to search the other targets would take massive funding, so that's why it hasn't been done. 

hmmm OK, they planted human remains, the remains of Natalee, from the sea cage into the Monserat pond?   I just can`t believe people are that evil.   No, i don`t believe that at all Wreck ::MonkeyNoNo::
Silvetti? Caps? No way, i don`t buy that.

Caps was hellbent to tell us that Natalee was "cut up in several pieces" -- was that to explain away why remains might be found in the cage AND the pond?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Mum - you know I have counted on you for a year now to track that IP stuff because I have no clue.  I can't even find my own IP.

I'm only asking questions!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi SS, well, according my IP, i now live in the USA
I tried Blonde`s link and installed it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

There are a ways to find your IP outside of this forum, but the easiest for me to help you now is to look at your last post.  It should show in the bottom right corner.  No one else can see it there, but it would also show in the Sitemeter when you log in.

Don't know if you read iris?TIA

I just think it's time to move forward with discussing actual issues of the case instead of certain poster's motives.

One time someone directed me to a sitemeter here at SM.  It was at the bottom of a page.  I know I couldn't find myself posting from where I know I live.  I just kind of gave up on the IP idea.

Sounds like they were trying to frame Joran! 

I do appreciate your concerns but i do think the Moderator's will let me know if i'm O/T correct?We apparently have posters who seem to be personally involved and to tell me not to concern myself with there motives i think is bizarre.Why am i not able to know people's role in this tragedy?

LOL, it just doesn`t matter when you`re transparent ::MonkeyWink::

Hey - I found the IP on my last post 2NJ.  I clicked on it and it says that only moderators and the poster can view this information.  How are all of you viewing the information if only the poster and moderators can see it?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ms. Cellophane

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.awe24.com/

Papiamentu translation:

come across habitantenan of papilon owing to succeed captura one boa very big self some of they're tell cu esey kiermeen much suerte the is measure 2.55m and ela wordo captura among canashito cu papilon just bow of one stoel cu person is sit all nightfall..i owing to bring much spanto at the habitantenan in sercania for his size do 2 metre 55..e two personanan balente here on the potret is esunnan cu owing to succeed kill the boa big here cu one machete.. come across

This picture doesn't include the head, I'm not posting it but it's at the website....I think I'll probably see that in my dreams!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://www.awe24.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/DEC_2008/1_jan_boa_papilon__1___Small_.jpg)

Not sure if it's a setting, but as a moderator, I do not see anyone's IP....just my own.  Maybe it should say Administrators.  The sitemeter is a separate site, imo, and it tracks those who enter the FP and the forum.  IPs show there. 

It wasn't my intent to take us on a long discussion about IP addresses.  I just wanted you to be able to see yours.

If explaining another persons motives for being here were so simple.....then merely asking might get a response.

Yes MUM I have 6 computers and a phone that I can log in with.
Mix it up as much as you want so you can come to conclusions that fit your agenda.

Yuck!  Yep Nightmares for sure tonight!  ::MonkeyEek::

You can go to the site meter and see some IP's but you have to guess who the IP belongs to. Administrators can see all IP's.  Moderators just like members can only see their own IPs.

Kyle said: "Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

OK, now I feel slighted.  I only have 3 PC's and one phone I can log in with unless I go to my FIL's house which is only 3 blocks away  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Exactly, thank you.  When you click on your personal IP, though, it does say what SS posted.  I never looked until now. 

EIGHT!
You've got more then I do.

There are really enough snakes in the government to concentrate on.......can't they just leave the real ones in the brush alone? ::MonkeyNoNo::

EXCELLENT and I'm glad you brought that up.
Judge Smid did say the Kalpoes could be arrested for body disposal.
So why no arrests?

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: That's Funny..

It appears to be a real problem in Aruba, the boa population.  I don't suppose most tourists want to happen upon them  ::MonkeyWink::

So, they were contacted around the time Caps started posting here.

Somebody asked the question and I was answering THEIR question.

I'm starting to believe that Standing next to the Frog is affording me special attention for some reason.Even if i'm mistaken i think i'll KeeptheFaith in the Frog... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

And a partridge in a pear tree  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you Kermit!!!!  Very interesting!!!!!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/KERMIT/water-bags-repel-flies-2.jpg)

Dec. 20, 2007 - CapsLockWizard registered at Scared Monkeys
Same day The Persistence completed the first day of side scan sonar search.

ribbit

Kiss a frog and you'll get rid of warts!
or I think that is what they say.

Or slide slither up next to Julia Renfro.

And didn't Caps say that he himself dove down to the cage (meaning he knew exactly what the latitude/longitude of the cage was)?  The cage was still there, why didn't divers take the cage?  Also, caps says Salvetti said nothing in the cage except plastic-then WHY did they make a dive and retrieve all that "plastic" and then test something within the cage?

Yep, that's what I was thinking!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe we need to design a "Come See Aruba" brochure with a collection of those bad mammajamma's on it!   ::MonkeyWink::

I found the sitemeter and went to Who's on Your Site and By Location.  I'm still Ms. Cellophane.  My location doesn't show up and neither does my internet provider.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

You've been logged in quite a while.  It only shows the last 100.  You have to look first thing when you check in.   

Some good questions Blue Moon.....

When I check the sitemeter world map now. I guess it is the last 100 to log on. Aruba is indicated.

CapsLockWizard, do you like to fish?

Poof... the fish is gone.... ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Think I will call it a night.  Up too late last night catching up.  Good night everyone.

Goodnight BlueMoon.You made it though! ::MonkeyDance::

This may have already been posted here - posted at RU:

 

Goodnight Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight TM.

At what point did she come to that conclusion!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

http://www.drasties.com/?p=4737

Google translation:

Brinkman Zero to Hero on Fox News
Hero Brinkman, the dashing nephew of Geert Wilders, has indicated that Aruba Foxnews "corrupt as hell is. PVV-er Brinkman, who has long been of the Antilles and Aruba would like, was interviewed about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Brinkman, once police inspector, Aruba is corrupt police officers because their work did not remain at work. "Everyone, including the Dutch government know that Aruba is corrupt, but there is nothing to be done. Purely for political reasons. "
For Fox News, these kinds of comments that their big 'conspiracy theory' fully confirmed, of course, grist to the mill. At the end of the interview to say Foxnews Hero Brinkman in the future to help "if you help us." In short, the PVV is carved in the next elections and Brinkman from Zero to Hero on Fox News.

4 Responses to "Zero to Hero Brinkman on Fox News"
1.foxtrot Says:
December 10th, 2008 at 4:36 am
A politician who speaks the truth. Good. It is through that political correct this misery caused.

2.AchGekkerd Says:
December 10th, 2008 at 4:39 am
One has an Islam-phobia. The other one Aruba-phobia. Strange game.

3.maleier Says:
December 10th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Now I see him, 'zero to hero' ..

4.warhoofd Says:
December 10th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Is that just a corrcte politician dares to say his opinion. And in this case there is a large core of truth.

Isn't it tomorrow that JQK and Hero Brinkman and Greta are
to descend on Aruba?

Yes he would!...I posted his last post yesterday, and as I was looking at his many posts.....he always wanted to be first. Even accused Janet and others of cheating when they beat him to the first post on the new thread..... ::MonkeyCool::

I think so

http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch.html

Google translation:

Collectors item
We are 70 to January 10, 2009. Still smoothing continue thus.
On the occasion of the high number of years, I very
unique and varied book of 206 pages.
Many short stories, drawings of Lejo Ros and photographs from a rich film history.
There are only 70 books printed. Numbered and signed.
The book will be introduced and sold on January 10 as from 11.00 to 1.00
at book of Village. Each buyer will receive coffee and cakes or soft.
Ultimately, the party!
The price of the book is AFL. 39.50 incl separate story SHOE.  
After January 10 - if there is something about - the book available at Vandorpe / de Wit
and me in the store, STATE OF THE ART, Renaissance Market. In addition to Subway.

Already a book reservations are available. (Link to order at website)
There are now 32 BOOKS ALL RESERVED. INCL. #
8 BOOK FOR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND PRESS REPRESENTAIE.
TIME TO REST ON THIS BUT STILL 30 BOOK!

(Poster for his book about Joran's Shoe entitled "Shoe")

(http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/SCHOEN.jpg)

Also on his website:

That message about a possible harmful role
of former Commissioner Jan van der Straten is as old as the way to Rome.
It is already a year in this website. There is nothing to be done!
Jan van der Straten Joran has only 10 days after the verdijning of Natalee to pick up. 10 days later !!!!!!! At that time could Joran - together with his father Paul? - Easy to remove all traces.
But there's another side to the dirty business. Jan van der Straten was called immediately after the disappearance of the girl 2 black men whose arrest was immediately clear that they had nothing to do with it.
All about time.
In short, Joran, Paul and Jan, they know more about !!!!!!!!!!!
That examined ????? NO!
Why not?? All save me dead. There is always bullshit here on the island that Paul van der Sloot as much power. What power? Paul is no more than a simple advokaatje!

Funny

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/shoe.jpg)

The more I read the last few days I have come to the following thoughts...
1. The persistence mission did not live up to its advertised  objective.
2. Tim Miller was conned....than removed when he became a 'liability'
3. Kyle questioned the persistence objective after the fact...was given time to do the right thing....but did not
4. John S & Kyle & Caps are somehow intertwined......mhoo..doesn't bode well with the timing of this relationship....best guess...at least a diversion from the cage contents...
5. Idstlou, hotspot and a few others have muddied the posts of the last few days trying to defend john s., kyle, Caps....intentional to throw off the questioning surrounding the contents of the cage? I don't know...but suspect that is part of their agenda.....(are their intentions towards Justice for Natalee good and they are only mislead? I'd like to think so....I respected their posts in the past...but it is still annoying at this time- sorry mum).
6. Kermit has brought the issue with persistence/kyle to SM ( I stand with the frog -green legs and all) and many freebirds left to support Kermit on SM....
The point now is to put all the pressure possible on those in authority (state department - fbi - media/Greta/Peter DVs - dutch - aruba, whomever we have routes to) to expose what the contents of the cage are.....we have pictures...kyle's own words that aruba took cage contents...we need to push this agenda...What was in the cage that aruba divers recovered?
mhoo...billb
 

the fish is not gone

Hi Caps!

Caps....want to believe the fish is not gone. Lots of questions over the last few days...can you please provide an update?
thank you.
V/r,
billb

Hi Caps.  Got anything to add regarding Kyle or John Silvetti?  Clyde Burke?  Jossy Mansur?  Eduardo Mansur? 

 ::MonkeyWink::

I didn't mean for good....Hi Caps!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts billb, I agree; green legs and all.   ::MonkeyWink::

 
 

Caps.....you probably know if you have been reading through the last few threads.....your work is being questioned.
I believed in what you were posting then, but I'd like you to respond to those questions so I can keep my faith in your theories...I often said that I think you have the "what happened to Natalee that night" and Kermit has the final disposal site of Natalee's remains....do I have that right?

Thanks TM... ::MonkeyCool::

This is the contact information for the FBI and State Department that was posted in another thread by Magnolia and I.  If anyone has additional contact information, please post it.  TIA

Special Agent in Charge
Carmen S. Adams

Assistant Special Agent in Charge
Charles E. Regan

Birmingham Division History
   Birmingham Division Contact Information
Address
1000 18th Street North
Birmingham, Alabama 35203
 
Telephone
(205)326-6166
 Facsimile
(205)279-1590
 
Email
General information: birmingham@ic.fbi.gov
Office Hours
8:15 AM to 5:00 PM, Monday through Friday
24 Hour Emergency Service

How to Report a Crime or Provide Information
For the location of a local FBI office, see our Jurisdiction page

An FBI representative can be reached 24 hours a day by calling (205)326-6166

If you have been the victim of a crime or have information relating to a crime, please contact your nearest FBI office. All complaints are confidential.

You can also email the Birmingham office at birmingham@ic.fbi.gov

This is an older link for Carmen Adams email (maybe send a cc to this address also)
(sac = Special Agent in Charge)
   sac.birmingham@fbi.gov

Link to State Department Question/Comment Email Page:
(This is the only contact information I've been able to locate)

http://contact-us.state.gov/cgi-bin/state.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?p_sid=wzUZ4Umj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD0xMTEsMTExJnBfcHJvZHM9JnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MQ

Good Night Monkeys ....This fish (pisces) needs sleep!  ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::

TM, After you and Mags posted this info, i sent an email to the state department, and then proudly posted my email to the state department on SM. I was a little disappointed at that time that there wasn't any response to my post....I always seem to post late at night when there are few online and was hopeful that my post would be picked up the next morning....Oh well....that did not happen. But since you posted this again (Thank you) I hope other Monkeys will heed it and send their comments to your links...with emphasis on the latest developments wrt the cage content pictures and the apparent coverup of the cage contents removal by aruban divers.....Monkeys need to push this forward and TM has now provided the contacts needed to do that!
Thanks TM and Mags....... ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Frank! 
Thanks for sharing about "The Shack" here to Ms Scarlett IIRC.  I have been reading it and I'm really enjoying it!  When I mentioned this last night, Hotping said she's reading it also!  I've found it to be very thought provoking.

billb,
I hope you don't mind I'm giving it a bump here so others can see how easy it is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.460

billb  12/19/2008

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.400
 



Response from Kermit:

and not saying much either  :wink:

The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.

Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon.

Question: how many years did the USA took to get Gotti Convicted.?

So like a said: in colombia they call those that make information up to confuse the issues of this case a SAPO.

How can we hunt for lions while those on this net is working against the work at hand. Watch a movie is not like reading the book of the movie.

In the state the only thing that can be done right now is to pray...since those that scream the loudest are not in the field...but is try to confuse the world.

Things has happend but like I said before. A Sapo war is a lost war....

Remeber 911 ....the first attempt was that the basement, but then the media did give a whole information on how the building was done and how strong it was and where the weakest link were.....where is it now...

if we want to win we have to investigate and not pointing finger to those that are at work...

What ever kyle did and the OE did, I do not know, I was not there. I work alone with a group that can not be put at risk

What I hate the most of this site now is the way the information is twisted, but it is the same method that was use by those that made Natalee desapear, they twist the info.

If anyone to work on the case work on the case. but all that was said is said, we are not working in the future but with info that has been twisted in 2005 and need to be put back straight...

Investigate, but never assume and make thing up or cut and paste and reassamble what people said to proof your own view without knowing the real context in which that particular text was written or no even knowing what was the question to the origin of the text.

Every event in 2005 had a flow and when the truth is change, we allways will have a paradox. and I see it happend here in this forum also or should I call it SM Paradox.

Peter devries tried to put in in a movie but it does not compute, and so a lot is trying to assamble the story.

Read again what I say, how can you hunt lions without a local guide. and put your own magination those all that has tried to build a picture of this case;

and jumb the gun for some momement of sensation, they do not know the real truth, but they do not sit everyday in aruba and continue with the work at hand...all take carefully planning, and all seems to forget one thing, and that is in the question above...to know who (the corrupt Babylons) takes time, but go to war without knowing them is suicidal to all.

CAPS

TM....of course I don't mind.. ::MonkeyWink::
Monkeys...I throw out a challenge to you all right now.......send your comments to the links below and if you feel so inclined...post them here at SM......we all want to make a difference for Natalee......this is one of the easiest way...Justice for Natalee.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::
DO IT....
Thanks, and come back again.......

Thanks for the response Caps!  ::MonkeyCool::

CAPS...
Thank you for your reply.....
Help me though with this one question please....

I believed in what you were posting then, but I'd like you to respond to those questions so I can keep my faith in your theories...I often said that I think you have the "what happened to Natalee that night" and Kermit has the final disposal site of Natalee's remains....do I have that right?
Thank you.....
I still have to digest your reply above, but ask that you allow me to asks questions afterwords....
Thanks again CAPS....

CAPS...
OK..my first blush review produces the following questions....
1. What is SAPO?
2. Things has happend but like I said before. A Sapo war is a lost war...
Goes to my first question..what is SAPO?
3. What ever kyle did and the OE did, I do not know, I was not there. I work alone with a group that can not be put at risk?
Your own posts says you met with John S....If I have this wrong, please let me know. Otherwise, please explain your relationship/interaction with John S., Kyle, Dave Holloway, Hotspot.
4. JQK/perhaps Greta/Hero B. will be in Aruba next week.... is your comment: "Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon." related to JQK< Greta, Hero B?
Thanks again CAPS.

Good night TM....

1. Escudero cage is made of Iron and concrate iron mats...and its weight is around 500 pond or more.

2. Aruba fish cages or call it trap are for a fish called crapfish and Lobster like tail fish, it is made of PVC and with chicken coup wire mesh. it has to fin in a small fishing boat and be manageable to be lifted by the fisherman or 2 on the boat.

3. the cages in Aruba are put around the coastal area and where there are lot of rocks and reefs, not in an open ocean.


4. Now let look at post mortom issues, a body will start to decompose in 2 hours after dead and start building toxid gases. it will require professional handling.

5. we had 3 mayor close call horacain and the sea where that cage is was like a washing machine.

Question: do you know what will happend to fabrick in salt water for almost 3 year with constant stream, they loose color first since the die of jeans will become white in salt water and then will be decompose.

if it was fresh water, it will be come slimy then iit will start to build these bacteria that will make smell like someone just vomit (Acid smell)


now let go back to time

let assume that they put her in the cage at night...that means that they must had knowledge of the case prior and was well know to the exact cordination to go to that location , put in scuba gear, have some sort of referance or GPS location finder and dive at night and put it in the cage. Likely hood that that has happend in 2005? No. to much preparation.

assume that they did it the next day, then where will they have put the body that night to beat the post mortom process.?? ice in a badtube will not do it.

Asume that ALE put it some bones or object in the cage when OE was not looking, Why do that and what is the purpuse.

assume that whit ALE acction, What will be the benefit and to who? what will be their next move.

logic : Some one hid a body somewhere in a cage in Aruba ocean
A search for that cage was organised and started
a cage was found
the cage was empty on TV tumbs Down

PARADOX NOW

Go back to cage 7 day back and put in a body parts,  but you will then create a paradox here. you have it on tv to show the whole world that the cage was empty. (Paradox is where we tried to change an event that happend in the past.)

then we have to find why was the paradox created and who is it to its benefit.


CAPS




 

Goodnight billb!   ::MonkeyCool:: 

CAPS...I've added red comments to yout post above.
Are you saying that ALE put remains in the cage without the knowledge of the persistence crew/kyle?
What would be the purpose? Why hasn't ALE presented the contents of the cage then? Blackmail to keep some quiet? I don't follow..Please explain.

Goodnight billb! 

Goodnight TM...I love your post each night with Natalee's picture...That is why we are all here....Justice for Natalee...

Read ahead Monkeys...I think CAPS is proposing that Natalee's remains may have been planted by ALE during the persistence search w/o kyle/crew knowledge....still evolving....interesting..

OK..I always get this wrong...read behind this post, but ahead of the post I'm replying to..... ::MonkeyConfused::

Good night Bastibro...

Good nigtht bilb,

Goodnight Adoronron..

Goodnight 5 quests viewing this site...

The cage does not sound like the usual cage, used for fishing/trapping "reef" fish, in Aruba.

The cage very well could be similar to those used for a drug post office.

OE (Kyle) was quite descriptive.  The cage had not been lowered with the 4 pt. harness.  You could tell it had been shoved off of something, by the way the ground was disturbed. He said it appeared to have been in the water the approximate time (three years) not a decade.

Maybe this "post office" had previously been discovered and confiscated.  Maybe this post office was being stored somewhere by the ALE, pulled out of storage, loaded on a boat and shoved off the boat, to clean up the "mess" and "save" the island. Maybe the contents (all the hermit crabs and plastic) needs to be hidden so no one knows the ALE were in on the cover up.

Maybe Natalee was wrapped in the blue plastic tarp and her skirt did not deteriorate at the rate expected.  God works in mysterious ways.

I think we must keep what we know (have pictures of) separate from the "how".  There are many reasons the JK2 didn't need scuba gear. We must keep what makes sense, to us, separate from what the "evidence" shows. Sometimes things don't make sense...for awhile...

What was in the bags?  Why was it retrieved, if it was nothing??  If it was nothing, why not say what it was?  IMO...it is something...

Kermit...From reading your fly by posts in Shango for over a year now, I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are the one that is mixing it up.

Long posts that are full of names and places that you think are part of a major conspiracy? Posts that can not be verified as having anything to do with anything in Natalee's case.

Posts with incorrect information posted so that some of us over there would make connections. Example: Montanja 10....Who lives there Kermit. Why would you let me waste my time believing that a friend of Joran and his family live at that address. If your post had not been corrected by another kind Monkey, I might still believe this to this day. I would have followed another direction in my research.

Here is another post of yours Kermit that on checking is totally incorrect and because of which posters on this Forum formed opinions...

Kermit(1/30/08)
I don't think he was gone for two hours just telling Paulus the family has arrived.
I think he was at a meeting with Paulus at the house for those couple of hours - fixing phones!Getting rid of evidence.Remember it was his board of director attorney, Lincoln Gomez who immediately came on Fox and gave interviews. Follow the connection of him and you'll see the disgusting pattern that is weaved and they usually end up at banks!
Remember I posted the picture of the CMB bank that Paulus went to make a deposit the next day, you know that is what most good dad's do when they have taken their son in for questioning is get to the bank!The bank is next to Digicel! Follow Charles Croes from the boss watch on Paulus wrist to Lincoln Gomez to Antonio Carlosto the paid shills online
it will all start to add up.[/i]

Kermit you have posted this info more thn once...and from what I recall of the discussions that followed, posters had Paulus going into the CMB Bank and next door to see Charles Croes about fixing phones.

A few weeks back I checked...
According to all the pictures of the CMB branches that is not the bank in Noord where Paulus said he went.
None of the pimps had Digicell phones, from the PVs they had Setar. 
Charles Croes works at the Airport for Aruba Fastphones.

So Kermit what is the purpose of this post, which as I said has been posted more than once? Just who is trying to confuse who here.

I will be back with the post I mentioned yesterday where you led some of us in Shango on a merry dance with information that could not be verified. The famous fly by? Days and days of research, hours and hours and pages and pages of posting.

My Agenda Kermit is the truth...It appears from some of your posts we may not have the same agenda...

Wreck...You were right...Some of us in Shango were duped.

Kermit...another thing...You have succeeded in pitting poster against poster.

Those that are for you and those of us that don't see things your way have an Agenda.

There has been nastiness in this cage that I would never have believed I would see.

Kermit...From what I see you are posting Your Opinions...You are entitled to them.

I do Not see things the way you do and I have formed my own opinions.

I have questioned your posts and pointed out your mistakes. I have every right to do this. None of us is right all the time, we all make mistakes. Except Kermit it seems.

 Keepthefaith...I believe I answered your question.

Have a Good Day Everyone...

Have a very Good day MumInOhio, God Bless U . .

The largest "poster vs. poster" issue has been to "call out" Kermit.

What is wrong with just posting info, if it is different than what has been posted? 

I read Kermit posting Kyle's words.  If Kyle posted other words or different words, than just post those.

There may be good and differing opinions.  It is hard to get to them because instead of the "ideas" being posted, there is accusations regarding the "person" posting the idea.

A post about setar vs. digicel is interesting.  The psychological analysis of the original post is distasteful.  That is the poster vs. poster issue.  The posting of quotes and statements is not poster vs. poster.  If the problem is Kyle or Silvetti, just post something they said that contradicts the quotes posted.

I have been here a long time. Please give some credit.  I don't know of many here that would just believe what was said simply because of who said it. It isn't Kermit wins, you lose. 

EXACTLY.  The contents are referred to as remains.  If it was just plastic, why would you collect it, bag it and sample it?  You wouldn't.  Additionally, the FBI sampled a piece of "fabric" that was sent to them by Richardson (though it took him TWO WEEKS to send it).  Not plastic.  FABRIC.

Buckeye...I for one do not intend to respond to any more of Kermit's posts about my motives or agenda. I honestly don't care what Kermit thinks.

It is counter-productive, a diversion and a complete waste of time.

Kermit

7A Catiri

Here are some of many posts referencing 7A Catiri. Kermit posts that this is Freddy Zedan's address. She also posts that Frederick Arends is Freddy Zedan's father.


Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2765 on: February 26, 2008, 07:17:21 PM » Kermit 


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T. J. Ward stated that Freddy lives behind Joran.
http://www.immob.biz/afdrukken.php?id=927〈=NL

http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm
The picture of Freddy's house, the address for the pic is 39F
but that is his mom's address on the chamber list for 2004.
Her address on the list as of 05/06/05 is Montanja 62.


19 Montanja Joran van der Sloot
232 Montanja Jaime Carrasquilla
7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg355900#msg355900

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #1724 on: April 09, 2008, 01:34:44 PM » Kermit  

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LaLa,

THINKING ABOUT THAT CATIRI APARTMENT:


MARTINA, Karen Theresa Paulina   – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy.  Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.  Was named by JQK as a date rape victim of Joran, but Tacopina claims she has said it was consensual


"I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja." (Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005.)

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg372441#msg372441

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #290 on: April 19, 2008, 12:25:24 AM » Kermit

CAPS,

Atan Lee's residence
converted to “ The Silvia Residence.”
the beautiful home of Arubas former Chief of Protocol, Mr. Atan Lee.

The Lee’s family invites guests to their home in Catiri,

During these decades the coordination of these pageants passed through different organizers however since 1992 Star Promotion, founded by Mr. Atan Lee

Remember I said I think that Knockout Model Agency is a front for something else.
And these pageants seem to have the hoteliers and Chief of Protocol involved.

DVDLand & CD,
Catiri 7-A
Noord
Aruba
It's about 5 minutes from the high rise hotels


from the Bug Tour that leads to Atan Lee House there is this Rental House
which is located in the Malmok area on L.G Smith Blvd., one mile from the high-rise hotels.


Now add to this:
Satish took a camera to Freddy
Joran said in his book they would get a room to have sex and videotape girls.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg375066#msg375066


Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #4
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2008, 07:23:00 PM » Kermit 

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old info from my files, don't know if it is of any use for ya'll


finngirl11
Monkey Junkey
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: Northern Utah
PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:47 am    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html
Official Charges on Freddy:
Intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor
Intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious

finngirl11
Monkey Junkey
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: Northern Utah
   
PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:47 am    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


Geraldo: Tell me about the young woman

Helen: She is a minor, so I won’t say anything about her. She has been involved in whatever the young man is being accused of right now sexual harassment..assault, whatever you want to call it. She is not the only one, the news we are getting right now is there are sex films and they have been selling them. I think it is a little bigger than even we expect as far as information I am getting right now.

Geraldo: Helen, do you know whether the authorities have seized the DVDs?

Helen: I don’t know that, they do have something, otherwise they would not have made these charges
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/28/transcripts-from-geraldo-sat-night-official-charges-against-freddie/
http://www.exposetheleft.com/2005/08/28/helenvinda/

Here is a fox news story about Freddy Arambatzis, note that photos are mentioned and not video. the girl was a minor, and I heard several comments about a video tape being sold around their circle of friends of this girl. Tickle site is down, he was locoman pimp.
http://tinyurl.com/gb627
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/04/28/aruba-natalee-holloway-comment-post-26/#comments

Simian Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 4:18 pm
4:29 post
JVDS and Kalpoes are involved in prostitution/drugs ring themselves, not just getting dope from the dealers



Sillymonkey Freddy and Jaime were listed on Joran's sites as his "best friends." Jaime is the one who some of the MB kids emailed after. When they asked about Natalee, he unleased a bunch of vile garbage and said she got what she deserved. I think the kids then read him the riot act and passed his emails along to the FBI.

Jamie is Columbian
Freddy is Venezulean

Frederick Jacinthus Arends of DVD Land & CD is his father?

The picture of Freddy's house, I know the address for the pic is 39F
but that is his mom's address on the chamber list for 2004.
Her address on the list as of 05/06/05 is Montanja 62.
So where was he residing when Natalee went missing and where does he currently live?


Arambatzis
ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT     LILIAN REGINA     MONTANJA     39-F
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


#39-F Montana (Montanja), Noord

Freddy’s house:
7A Catiri (apartment)

MOm's address is: 62 Montana is ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ address in NOORD

http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-backroom/1471591/posts

http://www.immob.biz/?p=alles&id=927&lang=NL
http://www.google.com/search?q=ARAMBATZIS+aruba&hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-33,GGLG:en&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N

T. J. Ward stated that Freddy lives behind Joran.

Adres: Montana 39F en 39G
MONTANA, ARUBA (ARUBA) Vraagprijs: € 221.000

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2886.msg386608;topicseen#msg386608


Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #4
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2008, 05:46:58 PM » Kermit 

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"I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja." (Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005.)

Zedan Arambatzis – age 21 in 2005
Joran met Freddy Zedan Arambatzis when Freddy was 19, they met during a tournament at the racquetball club. (source:p. 1 Jorans book)
Freddy is a light colored latino from Venezuela that only spoke papi. (source: p. 1 Joran's book)
Freddy's English sucked (source p. 5 Joran's book)
I am the best friend and neighbor of Joran. We got to know each other about two years ago.(source: June 12 Freddy's statement as written in Joran's book)
Freddy lives behind Joran.( D-6/11)

19 Montanja Joran van der Sloot
232 Montanja Jaime Carrasquilla
7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2886.msg386884#msg386884

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #4
« Reply #400 on: June 25, 2008, 06:38:31 AM » Lalas 

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Freddy, Freddy, Freddy...I think the Montanja address was more his mother's address than his.  Kermit keeps leading us to the Catiri address anytime we venture to the Montanja address.   I may not have very good instincts about Shango but Kermit is usually right on target when he says something.  Freddy was supposed to be at Joran's that night.  The only reason he would have been there was to make a video.  Freddy was way too old to be having a sleepover with Joran...unless sleeping with someone was involved. JMO

Right Mum!

Simian protects Steve.
Shango protects Freddy.
Now put it together and you have your answers. Albeit, that involves a whole host of other people down the line.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2886.msg393231#msg393231

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #4
« Reply #398 on: June 25, 2008, 05:48:34 AM » Finngirl

so what happened to Freddy's Montanja 39-F addy ...
listed in the buki di during august 2005?

sometimes I feel like someone has re-arranged the furniture
while I was sleeping and I wake up/head for the light switch
and stumble into something that wasn't in the way last night

we had real estate/for sale photos at one time
showing the Montanja townhouses numbered 39A thru G or H

couldn't find/didn't want to find: two different things

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2886.msg393222;topicseen#msg393222


Kermit...You do remember where this all led, don't you? Pages of discussions on DVDLand, Freddy Zedan, Frederick Arends culminating in a revelation by Caps?

Kermit...You planted this seed.

Now please show me the connection of Freddy Zedan to Frederick Arends. I want back up. I want proof. I want absolutely no questions left that Frederick Arends is Freddy Zedan's father, otherwise all you have is speculation.  

Thank You Bastibro...I will and You do the same.

Finngirl I miss his so much.
He use to make me laugh so hard.
Remember he the good looking one, in this picture.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Fun%20stuff/huh.jpg)

Please Caps, I WANT to understand. Are you saying there were 2 different traps? Are you saying that what Tim Miller saw on the 29th was different than what was retrieved on Jan. 7th? Are you saying that evidence was found in the pond FIRST -- then moved to the cage(s)?

Thank you Caps.

I agree Buckeye.  It is not like most of us had not had serious questions of what was going on with the crew of the Persistence when this was all unraveling.  It was all a "WTF" moment with how it all came down and we were left standing with our mouths wide open.  Kyle's silence in all of this says it all to me.  I have lots of questions for a lot of people and right now they are not giving out answers.  Imagine what Natalee's family is questioning right now.  Their daughter is gone and now it appears the last change to bring her back has been lost.  It should NOT have gone down that way. (JMO)

the Dutch Members of Parliament (including Brinkman) are travelling first to Curaçao today (January 2nd).

then on to Aruba, with meetings from January 5th until January 9th.
on January 11th they travel back to The Netherlands.

Caesu, what is Hero's agenda in Aruba?  We are thinking John Q. Kelly/Greta-Fox News will be in Aruba with him.  Thanks.

I agree Buckeye.  There is nothing wrong with different opinions.  We can't all agree that just isn't going to happen.  All we can do is read what a poster has given us and come to our own conclusion.

A particular poster chose to post on two different boards.  This has caused a tremendous amount of doubt with what he said.  His words are being compared to what he wrote and said on both sites.  So now in our minds we are trying to sort it out and see what the truth is.

We would have never known what he said if Kermit didn't bring that information here to show everyone.

So until I see further proof of what he said is being manipulated to fit someone agenda then I will have to say I still stand with the frog.

Is that such a bad thing to do.  Some think he is wrong and some think he is right.  Let the chips fall where they may and when the dust clears let's see who is still standing.

In the end we are looking for the truth.

"Truth Exists"

i hope that's the case, but i don't know.

Aruba sure hasn't forgotten that Brinkman called them 'as corrupt as hell' on FOX last month.
so i expect some fireworks when Brinkman arrives on Aruba on or before January 5th.
when that gets media attention Brinkman can use that to stir things up even more.
if he does that together with JQK/Greta the effect will be even greater.

it's great opportunity for a lot of (international) media attention.

Beth Holloway's brother recognized early on that the Aruban connection implies that the Persistence undertaking would come to naught in regards to justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family.

Janet

______


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

Unfortunately, those trusted with the evidence of the investigation were not good stewards of the evidence. Evidence has been destroyed, search activities delayed with no site protection accomplished by the authorities, and interrogations have been stopped at key points and the person being interrogated allowed to be counseled by parents and attorneys, and interrogations have been stopped just short of key questions being asked when the flow of good information was beginning to come out.

Prisoners being isolated have been furnished cell phones and communication has been allowed to occur between locked up and the free.

Do I think psychics are the answer? No.

But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.  What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.  

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #767 on: March 14, 2008, 01:07:35 AM »

PI ... those who are on a quest for the truth regarding what happened to Natalee Holloway should read Dave Holloway's book "Corruption in Paradise" and Beth Holloway's book "Loving Natalee" prior to being deceived that "Aruban authories" are about to assist them in their quest.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364881#msg364881

I agree about international media attention.  That would be great.  Everyone needs a hero, I hope Hero is Natalee's hero.  She and her family need one.

Tomikosmom Thank you for bringing this over again.  Anyone who doubts what was going on in the search of the Persistence needs to read the words of PI again.  I think he states it quite clearly.  And anyone who thinks they are in the know, maybe you are and maybe you are not, but I believe that the family knows more.

MOO

My response in red.

Sorry for the quote stacks but these two posts say it all in my opinion. 

Thank You. 

 ::MonkeyCool::

^^^BUMP^^^
So what do you all think he was telling us?

Sorry but I think he is telling us to BUTT out and mind our own business and Kermit doesn't know what she is talking about.  Riddles at this point does not intrigue me anymore.  Get on with it or butt out.  4 years is too long to give any government/police a change to get it right.  Simple crime, it should have been solved from the very beginning. Give Natalee's body back to her family for a proper burial and do what they need to do to solve this crime AFTER returning her.  Quit holding her hostage.  It is time for her to come home.

snipped>>>

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on Today at 02:17:45 AM

Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon. Believe me I will be watching.  Hope you are right on this one.


Yes, we will be watching.  There have been so many things promised that never materialized, I hope that this happens.  If it doesn't, do we deserve an explanation as to why it didn't or what happened? 

I, for one, am waiting.

I gotta start getting up earlier.

Kyle Kingman held a professional position on board the Persistence and ... his own words on the Natalee's Freebirds' forum tells the truth regarding the happenings encompassing the trap/cage.  Kyle may now be distancing himselves from his posts submitted the the Natalee's Freebirds' forum but ... you know the expession ... "You can deny your belly botton but ... every time you look down it is there".

It is my opinion that CAPS has been placed on the SM forum in January by Aruban higher ups to distract from the contents of the trap/cage ... that ALE had just taken possession of ... by diverting attention to other locations where Natalee Holloway's remains.

Janet

__________

KYLE KINGMAN - PRIVATE FORUM

Kyle: THis is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand


CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #931 on: December 03, 2008, 04:19:56 AM »

<snipped?

Another thing , I went to dive a week a go to the same location, and the Cage is still there. If the cage was evidance in a murder case, why is it still in the water.

Another thing, from 2005 to 2008, we has gone through several mayor stroms that has pull sunken boat more heavy than the cage and in depth more than the cage to shore.

The cage has an Owner and is not Aruban  nor Venezuelan  and not Dutch. it is from a Colombian person and the use has it purpuse.

<snipped>

CAPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564838;topicseen#msg564838

Johan555, can you give us any insight into what CAPS is referring to regarding an arrest this week of a major player of the game?

Janet, these two quotes really bother me.  First Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand AND caps dove down to the location the cage was.  Is Caps the brother of DirtyHand? Just thinking out loud here.

Well, Johan and CAPS both left.  You know, I am tired of every time I ask a question to certain people they leave.  Maybe he left before I posted, I don't know.  But I had this same problem with OE before.

Just sayin..........

Thanks, caesu.  Maybe some sparks will begin to fly in the Caribbean this coming week!

Well, since I am on a roll , I agree with BlueMoon that CAPS is pretty much telling us to Butt out.  Evidently we don't know what we are talking about.  We are not in the know.  I guess they are at their private site discussing what everyone is talking about here.  Glad we are worthy of discussing.

Just makes me mad that we get drivebys, if you are going to discuss this case here, THEN DISCUSS THE CASE HERE, not behind our backs.

Mods, you can delete if inappropriate, (I guess I didn't have to tell you that  ::MonkeyWink::)

and I always thought Papiamentu was difficult...

I think Caps likes the pond idea.  It is interesting that the detective and his "vision" brother, or whatever, knew some of the basic location of the cage, before the dive.  Then the comment about decomposition (I don't agree that it starts in two hrs...especially if she was shaded or buried)...maybe he is trying to say that Natalee was taken from one place (fresh water/pond?) and placed in large cage...would still have "slime" and jean material available....but not if material had been in salt water for three years... :smt102

I rather discuss the case here out in the open with everyone.

Me, too. 

Who knows what he is trying to tell us?  Instead of just saying it, it's a bunch of cryptic BS.  Just say it.  And we  get slammed for questioning certain posts?  Give me a break.  How could you not be suspicious about that post?

Someone did say an Aruban diver was taking pictures.  Where exactly did the zip lock bag pictures originate?  Maybe the Arubans knew the ROV was filming.  Of course, if that was the case, why wouldn't they present the evidence and declare the case solved...Natalee kidnapped by Colombians and shoved into a post office??? ::MonkeyConfused::

Sorry! I know better, could someone fix my post.  I messed up the quote stack.

I read your reply just fine...

The only person whose arrest I am concerned about is Hero Brinkman, lol!  Aruba made Beth apologize for saying negative things about the manner in which they were conducting their investigation under threat to stop any investigation at all if you will recall.

They seem to think it is illegal to say Kalpoes are criminals as well, etc.  In fact, saying anything negative about Aruba seems to be just about the only crime there!

So I will wait and watch for this impending arrest but will not be holding my breath while doing so.  How many times in the past have we been told things were imminent and then absolutely nothing at all happened?  More than I can count going back to June 2005!

CAPS SAID

So like a said: in colombia they call those that make information up to confuse the issues of this case a SAPO.

FROM WIKI

Sapo is the Portuguese and Spanish term for a toad.

I believe CAPS is telling us that Kermie is deliberately making things up to confuse us.

There will certainly be a lot of tension over there  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree Anna.  When people shoot their mouth off they better deliver.  I don't want to hear wait unil Hero gets down there.  Those are just words.  I want to see action.

Do you think Hero will meet with Jan VDS?  How about Rudy?  I would love to be a fly on the wall in those meetings. ::MonkeyLaugh::

A REMINDER

Kyle Kingman's own words tells the entire Persistence story from a first hand account.  Kyle own words reveal he suspected a John Silvetti/ALE connection ... a connection that implied a conspiracy in regards to the the contents of the cage/trap and ... at some point in time after returning to the States ... Kyle became a participant in the conspiracy.

IMO

Janet.
________

KYLE KINGMAN - PRIVATE FORUM

Kyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th

Kyle: None of us gave any statements to the authorities after the 29th. It's possible John Silvetti did, because he was the only one conversing with them after Jan 7th.

Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kyle: In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric

Kyle: The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle: John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis

Kyle: John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word

Kyle: John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability

Kyle: John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again.

Kyle: Schafer is sue crazy.

Kyle: I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kyle: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Kyle: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

Kyle: I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

Klye: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.

Kyle: neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

kyle: Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat. You may see a glimpse of him on the Dateline video in the survey room along with Mos standing over my shoulder.

Kyle: The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off

Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does.  Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: THis is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Klye:  I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them.

Klye: I havn't spoken to Beth and don't plan to personally.


KYLE KINGMAN - SCARED MONKEYS

JANUARY 26, 2008

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:25 PM »

Thought you all may find this interesting if you're willing to accept it-

To date, the Aruban police and dive team has been a tremendous help.  They've honestly done a great job. Over the last month we've established a very good working relationship based on openness and trust.  Most of the relationship success was due to getting the media out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder over time.  We've helped each other however and whenever we can.  They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. Most of the police and divers are new since this case started and both eager and careful to do things right.  I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to establish the relationships and trust. I know many of you would likely doubt this view, but it's based on the experiences in the field of the entire search team. I too was extremely worried, paranoid, and suspecting in the beginning.  Now, it's clear we're all working towards a common goal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332457;topicseen#msg332457
 

MARCH 19, 2008

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.   The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857

 
BROTHER OF BETH HOLLOWAY - SCARED MONKEYS FORUM

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


THE ROV IMAGES

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #408 on: November 24, 2008, 03:59:08 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618
 
 
Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #410 on: November 24, 2008, 04:01:55 PM »

Photos given to the FBI sent to Dave and Robin posted on the internet are NOT the
photos posted above.  These were not given to the FBI until recently.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555621#msg555621
 
++++++++++
 
Kyle Kingman
Senior Geophysical Project Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Greater New York City Area

Current
Senior Geophysical Operations Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
 
Past
Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
 
Education
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick
 
Industry
Oil & Energy

I, too, just looked up the definition.  I also found the original post where he referred to 'singing war is a lost war' (as opposed to 'sapo war is a lost war')

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3363.440

So at this point in time Kyle is saying that he believes Caps is one step away from Dirty Hand and is a leak or what?  Next thing we know Caps is meeting with John Silvetti not once but three times?

Caps, were these meetings all to discuss the pond?  I was told it was not drained by OM but just dried up.  Growth length of the grass tends to support this.  If you STILL contend it was drained, who drained it because OM knows it was NOT the fire or police and that the search at that time was not for Natalee.

How could 40 Dutch investigators arrive on such a small island with absolutely no media coverage?  I don't think they did.  Didn't happen.

JMO

 ::MonkeyEek::

I call Bullshit!!!

KYCat - why are you doing this?  There is a lot of friction right now between people who have worked and posted together for years.  These people are friends.  A situation has occured and people's feelings and opinions are not the same right now and it's difficult.  Nobody is sitting in private sites discussing monkeys at SM anymore than monkeys at SM are discussing posters at private sites.  This whole concept has just developed a life of it's own.  I see it as very sad and upsetting.  It's like a family that is at odds with other.  I know that you are a new poster here on NAH, but I don't know if you even know most of the posters involved.  There are great people posting on SM, there are great people posting at private sites, and there are great people posting in both places.  Your comment above is no different than the drive bys you are complaining about.

I would be surprised if Van Der Straaten is on Aruba next week.  They could meet with Rudy, though.  I hope Greta is down there for the entire time and Hero gives her all the scoop.

Who isn't making things up to confuse us?  Seems that is the answer to everything that is questioned.

Kermie's not, IMHO.

SS, KYcat actually registered a month before you did, if I'm not mistaken and fwiw. Just sayin'

Why would Kermit lie?

Why would Caps lie?

That is the million dollar question.

Oh I totally agree with you on that point.

I think all of this is a Catch 44 situation (a Catch 22 of a Catch 22). Anonymity brings its own blessings and curses. When you don't know who's who in the zoo, you are only left with speculation as to motives and procedures. We all love this forum, so my suggestion: let's get back to seeking answers and sharing what we know (and what we don't) and leave behind the inherent questions of anonymity.

I cannot necessarily say either one is lying.  I think Kermit is being totally honest and upfront with her information from the prospective of bringing Natalee home to her family.

I think Caps is working on Aruba in a very bad situation and bringing their viewpoint from that prospective.

So I am viewing it more from Kermits point-of-view than from Caps.  Caps is working it from an Aruba viewpoint which he will try to limit the damage done to his island.  Natalee is more important than the damage being done to Aruba by Aruba, not the msm or the family or an fbi agent. 

Why does CAPS not just spit it out if he has informtion.  Some Monkeys have spent so much time and effort attempting to interpret CAPS cryptic/elusive words ... words that revered as containing the truth encompassing the Natalee Holloway case.

If CAPS has been placed on the SM Form to distract attention away from the contents of the trap/cage ... the agenda has certainly been successful.

Janet

Hasn't everything been since what Beth and family discovered in the first 30 days?

.

Very nice post.  Thanks, Maggie.

Hero is a politician running around letting his mouth write checks his ass cant cash.  Just like Barak Hussein Obama

Has ANYTHING Caps told us actually panned out???

One answer to those who are cryptic: don't respond. Tell them to speak clearly and distinctly or their words will be disregarded. As Blue Moon of KY said, but in other terms, it is like dealing with anyone...think of children in an argument, from their own perspective and position, each of them is 100% correct.

Then I am back to believing that this all is about politics and nothing more.  If that's the case then Hero and Jossy both have used Natalee for political purposes.

There have been some very dedicated posters that were not very good with facts...or with loose imaginations..Florida/Opus comes to mind.  I believe she was dedicated but used bits of facts to advance thoughts that weren't congruent.  I see CAPS a little like that.  I could be wrong. I'm not so sure being on the island is an advantage.  People who have left the island might have a better perspective.

This is just too funny on too many levels, whether one agrees with your theory or not.

Good Morning from Monkey's.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

AMEN! Is Caps "Shango" or "Simian"??? Both?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

While it's sad, it's not all bad.  Greta and others in the beginning used the case for ratings.  That kept the case alive and hopefully will benefit Natalee in the long run.  Who cares what their motives as long as we get the girl back or some measure of justice at some point?

I don't know if i'm right or wrong in regards to what i believe.I will say it again.I stand with the Frog!People are saying the Frog is the diversion or the confusion.Those that have said it need to back it up and then maybe people will believe what your having to say!Still to this day i've personally seen nothing to make me believe that Kermit,Wingnut,Jen,as well as what Angie are telling us is a diversion!I'll say it again.Please help me understand in layman's terms why Kermit is the diversion.TIA

I am sorry Janet (again).  I think before I press the post button that I will see your crying avitar after I hit post. 

2NJ - it doesn't matter to me when she joined.  To my recollection, she hasn't been an active poster with many of the people she is slamming.  2NJ, this bashing has got to stop.  It's bad enough that people are so strongly divided on the Cage, Kyle, Silvetti, Caps, Kermit, and the Pond.  The personal bashing is just taking everything to a horrible level.  This isn't what SM is about.  Monkeys have always disagreed on issues and they have sometimes strongly disagreed, but the bashing of other posters is out of control.  This has been a family for three and a half years.

I can see nothing that it would profit Kermit and the other
Freebirds to come here and tell all that they have put together.

By CAPS own post he is in cahoots with Silvetti.
Nathing that CAPS has told us has panned out

I think it is pretty obvious who is telling the truth.

SS, I am not a new poster.  I have been here as long as some others and actually longer than some.  My post was not a drive-by.  I am still here unlike some who post and then go away before they have to answer a question.  In response to your question, Why am I doing this? I am not doing anything to anyone.  I am asking questions and posting my opinions.

It is funny that you would say that I am new.  Maybe you never noticed me before.  Is that because I am not in the know and what I have to contribute isn't worthy.  You say many people here are friends, sorry, I wouldn't know about that.   I thought this was a board where we could discuss, voice our opinions, and ask questions. 

I had every right to state my opinion.  You do not have to agree.  I stand by my post.  If you are going to come here and post, expect questions.  Please have the decency to answer them.

 

Something akin to Beth Holloway's brother ... I gave Kyle the benefit of the doubt that "in the beginning" he was naive regarding the dynamics encompassing the Aruban coverup that was denying Natalee Holloway justice but ... his own words posted on the Natalee's Freebirds' forum reveals that it did not take long for him to catch on that something regarding the John S/ALE connection was not right.

I no longer give Kyle the benefit of the doubt.  That ceased when he did not share his concerns/ suspicions with the FBI/family when he returned to the States.  Instead ... he posted regarding the happenings on board the Persistence on a private site and ... he attempted to make deals with major networks.

In other words ... Kyle became one with those who were assisting the ALE in the finale' to the great Aruban coverup .

Janet

++++++



private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »

I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #758 on: March 14, 2008, 12:56:35 AM »

I forgot to add that I loved the message from Kyle that it is a requirement to maintain hope. I would give anything to have to eat a great big plate of crow with Kyle watching me choke on it, meaning that the Arubans are sincerely his partner. And I want him to come to his own conclusion. But I really like him, he has definitely proven his worth, and for some dumb reason I feel like he needs my protection, which is a joke. Just keep your guard up Kyle is all I am saying. There have been some very strange happenings in this case.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

Whoa SS back up.  2NJ merely stated a fact.  Maybe you should check your recollection because, as a matter of fact, I have been here posting with "these" people.  ANd let me clarify, I am not slamming.  I want people to stick around long enough to answer questions regarding their posts. If they think I am bashing them, let them tell me so.

 

From Seattle to the blue Moons of Kentucky..Hope your feelin Fantastic after the New Year... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Same to you!  I'm feeling pretty Frisky!

Evidently we don't know what we are talking about.  We are not in the know.  I guess they are at their private site discussing what everyone is talking about here.  Glad we are worthy of discussing.

That is not a question and it's not even an opinion on something being discussed.  It's sarcastic and it's nasty.  If you aren't aware that there are deep friendships in this forum, then I would be honored to tell that there are.  This is a very difficult period of time for everyone at both SM and Freebirds.  People who have stood tigether for years are now standing on opposite sides of a fence.  Please don't make this any more difficult than it already is.  The fire doesn't need fuel in the form of sarcastic comments. 

Johann, you are back.  Can you help us out?

left ?
i am having dinner now !  ::MonkeyHaHa::

MumInOhio

I would appreciate it if you would go back to your little group and get your facts straight.

It was NOT ME who first posted the photo of the CMB bank next to Digicel.

The reason I know this is because I posted that photo at FREEBIRDS!

IT WAS DAYHIKER who took the photo from Freebirds and posted it here at SM[/b]

In addition:
If you are confused by truth, then you need to sit down and have it out with your group.
BECAUSE if you HAD, you would have known that it was me that was asked to BY THOSE
SPECIFIC members of your group to FIND OUT INFORMATION ON CAPS!

I do not recall posting Montanja 10.
If I did, please give me the link to my post.

I do recall posting Catrini 7.
Lalasmom, your group member not only continued to query me about it, but also emailed me asking me
why I posted it because it was near where CAPS lived! Which differed from the address that CAPS gave
to DAVE and the FBI!

Want me to post the email? I will be more then happy to do so.


Call it drive-bys or untruth or whatever word you want to come up with.

I DID THAT - FOR THEM

If you think for one minute that I can not back up and show the emails to prove what I am saying
 IS THE TRUTH - you are sorely mistaken.

Call me whatever names, insinuate whatever you want, but I have the proof.

Now, go find yourself someone else to slander.

Do not bother responding to me.
Do not bother apologizing to me.
You are forgiven.
But I won't respond to you ever again.

... and by Kyle's own words there is a John Silvetti/Aruban connection that implies justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family was never the objective of the Persistence undertaking.

Janet
_____

KYLE KINGMAN - PRIVATE FORUM

JOHN SILVETTI

Kyle: None of us gave any statements to the authorities after the 29th. It's possible John Silvetti did, because he was the only one conversing with them after Jan 7th.

Kyle: The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle: John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis

Kyle: John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word

Kyle: John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability

Kyle: John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again.

Kyle: I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

Kyle: I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana

Klye: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

kyle: Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat. You may see a glimpse of him on the Dateline video in the survey room along with Mos standing over my shoulder.

Kyle: The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off

For me.Scared Monkey's is a wonderful site because it allows people with very little knowledge to ask questions as they see fit without ridicule as to why!We should be able to discuss whatever,whenever as long as it is about JUSTICE FOR NATALEE..

an arrest ? i have no idea KYcat  !

Yes, SS, it is an opinion.  I have been here a long time also.  The people you are referring to made friends here.  I'm glad.  For the rest of us, that weren't previledged enough to make friends, we will just keeping having opinions and asking questions. 

Don't accuse me of being sarcastic and nasty.  It was MY observation.  Frustration?  Yes, I am frustrated.  It is okay to be on different sides of the fence regarding how you feel about this case. 

Blue Moon of KY is NOT looking forward to going back to work next week.

Thanks for answering!  Just wondering how this person is associated with the Natalee Holloway case.

I believe Caps said one of the major players was going to be arrested this week johan!Monkey's please correct me if i'm wrong..

texasmom is NOT either.   ::MonkeyWaa::

I agee but it was the sharing of information that brought this all on.  People didn't want us to believe what was shared.  Whether it is Kermit or CAPS.  This is like a tug of war.

Ree is at at work, but not working!!!! 

For what it's worth i'm still standing with the Frog.If your ever up in Seattle there are some wonderful turtles that hang out on the logs on Greenlake.Stop by and say hello.It's a neat sight to say the least.All the turtle's basking on the logs and diving under the lily pads.This is true Kermit!It's relaxing in the summer time on Greenlake.... ::MonkeyDance::

Ree   

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

I hate the thought of going back to work next week, also.  I have got to get some work done around here today -  my hubby wants to know what I do all day!!!   LOL

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by Greta Van Susteren
You know this news business…..we never know where we are going to take you and when….and now we, at ON THE RECORD at 10pm, have a change in plans.  We are not taking you on your adventure on Sunday that we had planned for you….at least not the journey to the China, South Korea, Japan, Turkey etc trip we had planned to take you via GretaWire, ON THE RECORD at 10pm etc. (and yes, we were doing these countries and more in less than 5 days)…..I will keep you posted what our plan is now…..

 ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyWink::

I try VERY hard not to ever tell a poster what to post or what to think.  If I strongly disagree and know their email, I will privately email them to discuss or if they have stated known factual information incorrectly and let them correct it.  Not me.

People can't help what they think or how they feel.  Only what they post.  I was always told it was abusive to tell people not to have their true feelings about things. 

Many things posted here do not add up and defy logic.   I do resent when posts are made that are highly insulting to ones basic intelligence.  We are not stupid as some might think.  Perhaps they believe anti-American propaganda in this regard rather than the truth.

There are some highly intelligent people who post in this forum and they are not nearly as easy to fool as it might appear.


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Ree shame on you.   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh, I do hope this means Greta is going to Aruba!


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It would appear that Aruba neglects to question witnesses who statements would not conform with the coverup agenda.

Janet
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KYLE KINGMAN - PRIVATE FORUM

Kyle: None of us gave any statements to the authorities after the 29th. It's possible John Silvetti did, because he was the only one conversing with them after Jan 7th.


'Scarborough Country' for August 11
updated 6:33 a.m. PT, Fri., Aug. 12, 2005

JUG TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  ... Those people that were with me that night, had they taken our statements at least a week after it happened, we would have already had the answer. But when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176/

I did not know that Hero Brinkman was G. Wilders' nephew.

Interesting.

I do wish him every success and safety during his trip.

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Anna that's what I said!!!   LOL  I agree - and you said it so eloquently.

Thanks!

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Does anyone know where the statement that Jug knew the Persistence was primarily about oil and secondarily about Natalee came from?

Who originally said that and where? 

That is bothering me greatly for some reason or other.

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I agree Anna.  I have posted here not as long as most people but I have read here since the beginning.  Today I feel more and more like I have come between family members and intruded where I am not wanted.  I try to keep on posting and ignore the distractions but lately it is getting more and more hard to do.  Believe me I know how a family fight can get ugly (I come from a family of 11) so I try to avoid bad situations.  Just because I have not posted as much as others doesn't mean I don't know what is going on. 
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE and BRING HER HOME NOW.

It is in the last thread on the 31st (I know because I was up until 1:00 catching up).

I saw the dedication on New years night.BM of Kentucky read along marathon! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: The tenacity of the Blue Moon!

No reason.  Lies are created to distract from the truth.  Kermit does not have an Aruban coverup agenda ... it has always been about justice for Natalee Hollloway ... it has always been about closure for her family.

A measure of closure for the family dictates that pressure needs to be put on the "powers that be" in Aruba to expose the contents of that cage/trap.  This is Kermits agenda.

Janet

that must be Paul or Joran !

KYCat - I was making a sincere appeal to you.  This is nasty...

Evidently we don't know what we are talking about.  We are not in the know.  I guess they are at their private site discussing what everyone is talking about here.  Glad we are worthy of discussing.

or ............... RG

Anna here is what I responded to concerning this:
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Quote from: SunnyinTX on December 31, 2008, 07:07:15 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on December 31, 2008, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on December 31, 2008, 05:34:29 PM
I just don't understand why people like Mum and Lalas & idstlou and
all of the former posters here are so angry.
Anybody who reads all of this information should see the
truth to it.  They are nitpicking at the least little word.

Why are they so mad about it all?

I'll one up you with a question here.........

why are some at that site saying that JUG knew the MAIN goal of the Persistence for that trip was oil related?

 

O.K. I am caught up.  The above, has anyone answered this?  First I read about Dave and MIP6 and now this on Jug knowing this was oil related?  I guess I can go to bed now-I welcomed the New Year catching up and I DID IT but now I have the BIGGEST headache of my laugh.  Good night all.

That quote was from Jen.

I don't think Joran is in Aruba from the photos.  Somewhere in the Orient.

And don't think vd Straten is either so guess we can eliminate those two from the arrest?

I still think Brinkman the most likely target for while corruption is NOT illegal in Aruba--they have even bragged about that--apparently discussing it will get you in hot water every time as it did Beth Holloway.

bump

SS This is the last time I am responding to this. 

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KYCat - I was making a sincere appeal to you.  This is nasty...

Evidently we don't know what we are talking about.  We are not in the know.  I guess they are at their private site discussing what everyone is talking about here.  Glad we are worthy of discussing.

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I was making an observation based on things I have read here and seen here.  It was purely my opinion.  I am frustrated.

Now, if you want to get nasty.................  please go back and read some of your "friends" previous posts.  There was some very nasty stuff being slung around.  Did you call them out? 

That's it.  Please do not post about my comment again.  I think we need to move on..............

TIA

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605846#msg605846

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #343 on: December 31, 2008, 05:40:19 PM »  

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Quote from: Magnolia on December 31, 2008, 05:34:29 PM


I just don't understand why people like Mum and Lalas & idstlou and
all of the former posters here are so angry.
Anybody who reads all of this information should see the
truth to it.  They are nitpicking at the least little word.

Why are they so mad about it all?


Response by jen3560

I'll one up you with a question here.........

why are some at that site saying that JUG knew the MAIN goal of the Persistence for that trip was oil related?

Thanks.  We need to start this yesterday!

Thank You, Blue Moon of KY.

Now I wonder which site?  Freebirds or Chatngrumble?

I guess what I really want to know is who said Jug knew this and how did they know?

If this were the case, I wonder why we were asked to donate, etc. as would be a commercial venture.

Seriously!??  Why, at this point, would they arrest them?  I mean, what charges?  We all know what they have done, but just curious as to the charges.

Sorry about that Blue Moon, I didn't realize you'd already posted it!  

And like it or not, you ARE part of this family!   ::MonkeyCool::

Jug Twitty may have believe that the objective of Persistence undertaking was two fold ... targeting for oil and ... search for his stepdaughter's remains.  I have read "rumors" to the effect very  early on.  Hey ... when you consider John S. profession and ... when you consider Kyle Kingman's profession.

Janet

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Magnolia
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #337 on: December 31, 2008, 09:34:29 PM »

I just don't understand why people like Mum and Lalas & idstlou and
all of the former posters here are so angry.
Anybody who reads all of this information should see the
truth to it.  They are nitpicking at the least little word.

Why are they so mad about it all?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605828#msg605828


jen3560
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #343 on: December 31, 2008, 09:40:19 PM »

I'll one up you with a question here.........

why are some at that site saying that JUG knew the MAIN goal of the Persistence for that trip was oil related?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605846#msg605846

I dunno where that came from, but IF it were true, it might explain why LDSLou (did I get that right) says that Jug has faith in the Persistence crew, no interest in Kermit's revelations, etc.

My take on this was this was stated on the Chatngrumble site.  I don't know by whom.  Correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks.

Blue Moon of KY

I apologize.  I did not realize that you had already responding to Anna's post regarding Jug Twitty.

Janet

Thanks TXMom for the link.  I seem to be going back to that one repeatedly and should just memorize it, lol.

Sorry, (post that was a no post)  I think I need to get some coffee!  Long night in the cage!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Coffee for me too.  I am going to go clean something.  I will be around............ whether your like it or not!!!!!!!!!!


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

I do not know you friend..But I read every word you have written and I comprehend the words and I understand how it really is. I really do hope to see something positive in this case that sticks. Colombia and its hierarchy is a very dangerous group who is well funded and used to working within a very corrupted environment in which they control.. Aruba is only a small extension of the same kinds of people. You can't get them on tax evasion..lol

anyways.. quote:
"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom."

Sad but True.  ::MonkeyEek:: But Only because the Truth has been hidden so well by a bunch of Sapos. With that it is hard to say who is telling the truth and who is not.
I still seek the truth.
jmho

 

Sorry for the quote stack.

billb, you will be glad to hear that just because we don't all mention it does not mean we are not emailing, calling, etc.  I have called the Birmingham field office so many times, I am fearful they have opened up a file on ME, lol!

I have also used other occasions to bring up the subject.  Once I was mailed a counterfeit check for $4800 and when reporting it, too advantage of that opportunity to TRY to snooze information from the agent to whom I was speaking.  Information about Natalee.

He admitted to there being new information but said nothing he "could share with YOU!" meaning nosey me. 

But at least I did get the impression their interest in Natalee's disappearance has not waned over time.  Not at all and he was sharp as a tack when I mentioned it, very conversant with the facts, just wouldn't tell me anything other than what has been released officially.

I did try, lol.

He just didn't fall for my cheap tricks!

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Kyle Kingman
Senior Geophysical Project Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Greater New York City Area

Current
Senior Geophysical Operations Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
 
Past
Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
 
Education
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick
 
Industry
Oil & Energy

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464

The statement that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom was first made about stem cell technology.  It is far from original but what the heck does that have to do with Natalee?

I love it!!!!!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::

Does this potential arrest have anything to do with Natalee or is it political?If we really think Aruba is gonna arrest a major player then there pretty much gonna have to restructure their whole Govt,as well as arrest a majority of the police force and the judicial which i don't think is gonna happen for some reason! ::MonkeyConfused::

Regarding the "arrest"...
I'll believe it when I see it. I , too, am not holding my breath.

The thing about arrests in Aruba is that we have seen them before.  Then they always let them go.  If there is an arrest of a major player, I hope the evidence is solid enough to make it stick.

How can it be Joran if they don't know where he is?  I hope an arrest is made, but I won't hold my breath.  I think we have heard this before, I hope that CAPS is right.

Exactly.  We have heard that too many times.  It gets old after awhile.

Well, at the risk of offending absolutely everyone on both sides of the fence - I think this needs to be said:

All this talk of "family" is sickeningly self-serving!

The only family that matters in this case is Natalee's.

IMO

 ::MonkeyWaa::    ::MonkeyWaa::    ::MonkeyWaa::

Also, a major player would have to be Joran and they banned him from the island (thought by doing that this would go away, How's that working for you Aruba?).  So I don't believe that at all.

I haven't held my breath since I was five.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

hmmm..come to think of it, neither have I. Always seemed rather counterproductive!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Nothing like giving major player(s), whoever it may be, a heads up by posting such here.  Brings me back to a singing war is a lost war.  Oh, and the 8th is next Thursday...re: the billiards post.  Fact or fiction?  Just my current thoughts.

If someone is detained ... it will in all probability come to naught.

Just another "Dog and Pony Show".

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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DETENTION OF FORMAL SUSPECTS

Karin Janssen:

1.  Mickey John - first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping. 06/2005

2.  Abraham Jones - first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping. 06/2005

3.  Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder 06/2005
 
4. Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

5. Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

6. Steve Croes - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005
 
7. Paulus van der Sloot - complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. 06/2005

8. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt - criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway. 04/2006

9. Guido Weaver - Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen. 05/2006


Karin Janssen:

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005

Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005

Freddy Arambatzis - Suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor. (Unrelated to the Natalee Holloway case.) 09/2005


Hans Mos:

Joran Van der Sloot -suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Deepak Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Satish Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007