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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 - 1/6/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 03, 2009, 02:19:37 PM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf



JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 03, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
I was just holing the place for robots. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 03, 2009, 04:40:35 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 03, 2009, 04:41:24 PM
I was just holing the place for robots. ::MonkeyTongue::

Yep, it`s nice and clean again ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: San on January 03, 2009, 04:42:07 PM
Janet I deleted the post you requested.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: KYcat on January 03, 2009, 04:42:09 PM
Hey, that was fun!  I tried to post and got locked out.  My first.

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 03, 2009, 04:43:54 PM
Janet I deleted the post you requested.

Thanks for making me look like a slacker.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: San on January 03, 2009, 04:59:17 PM
Janet I deleted the post you requested.

Thanks for making me look like a slacker.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: You're not a slacker.  I made sure there were a few posts on page 50 before I did it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2009, 04:59:32 PM
Janet I deleted the post you requested.

Thanks for making me look like a slacker.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2009, 05:00:52 PM
Janet I deleted the post you requested.

Thanks San.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 03, 2009, 05:03:45 PM
Janet I deleted the post you requested.

Thanks for making me look like a slacker.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: You're not a slacker.  I made sure there were a few posts on page 50 before I did it.

Did you lock me out, too?  I made that post and the server just went zzzzzz.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: San on January 03, 2009, 05:05:50 PM
Janet I deleted the post you requested.

Thanks for making me look like a slacker.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: You're not a slacker.  I made sure there were a few posts on page 50 before I did it.

Did you lock me out, too?  I made that post and the server just went zzzzzz.   ::MonkeyWink::

I don't know what happened I was locked out too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2009, 05:06:49 PM
I have no hope that the contents of the trap/cage will ever be given up by Aruba.  In all probability ... Natalee Holloway remains have been destroyed.

I am one with Beth Holloway.  Justice is not going to come from the Dutch or Aruban Administration.  The domino effect of accountability is too far reaching.

However ... as both Beth Holloway and Art Wood have implied ... the house of cards will fall when one credible witness talks.  Think about it.  There were Americans on board the persistence.  There were the Aruban divers.  Then there is Kyle Kingman who I pray will emerge the hero in all this.  A little late but ... the truth exposed would be a measure of closure for the family of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

+++++

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ART WOOD: ... The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


OPRAH WINFREY SHOW
January 27, 2008


BETH HOLLOWAY: ... we've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.
 
http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2009, 05:11:56 PM
I was just holing the place for robots. ::MonkeyTongue::

You are smart.  I have never even attempted to be first to submit a post to a new thread since ...


Quote from: "robots"
Lively Case Discussion #647 6/25 - 6/26/2007
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2007, 08:32:08 PM »


JANET IS A CHEATER  

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1259.msg188423;topicseen#msg188423



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2009, 05:21:42 PM
Janet I deleted the post you requested.

Thanks for making me look like a slacker.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks

Janet

I had not forgotten to post ... I posted in the middle of Truth's quote.

I must be getting old.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well ... hubby and I are taking two eldest grandsons (9/10) to a movie of their choice and ... then a Pizza.  The move is called "Bedtime Stories" (I think).  I have seen the trailer and ... I am not impressed.  Papa and grandkids will probably enjoy.  I just may attempt to sneak all by myself into another theater in the same complex if the movie and timing is right.

Anyways ... I am off.  Have a good afternoon (?) Monkeys.

Janet
2:20 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 03, 2009, 05:27:13 PM
Just wanted to say....I never believed Kyle's story about
the Panter.  I think it was a cover for something.

He was staying at the Holiday Inn and I don't think he
could see all the way to Arishi from there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wingnut on January 03, 2009, 06:01:18 PM
Is it possible.........that when the Aruban/Dutch Coast Guard were on the trap site - Caps dove on the trap?  Is it possible that Caps is Coast Guard?

Just a thought.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 03, 2009, 06:03:09 PM
Just wanted to say....I never believed Kyle's story about
the Panter.  I think it was a cover for something.

He was staying at the Holiday Inn and I don't think he
could see all the way to Arishi from there.
I understand Magnolia...And it all depends if He was really staying at the Holiday Inn...Who knows what was really going on with Him... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 03, 2009, 06:07:53 PM
waaaaaaaaa......I got locked out of the forum a while ago. Not a lot of traffic either. WAaaaaaa  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 03, 2009, 06:14:40 PM
Is it possible.........that when the Aruban/Dutch Coast Guard were on the trap site - Caps dove on the trap?  Is it possible that Caps is Coast Guard?

Just a thought.

wingnut - anything is possible.  I will say that I do believe Capslock does live in Aruba and that he's posted from Aruba for the most part.  Caps did say he dove on the trap site and the trap was still there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 03, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Sometimes someone posts something actually funny at RU:  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/duty_calls.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 03, 2009, 06:22:21 PM
Very Funny! Thanks for Sharing!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 03, 2009, 06:24:19 PM
waaaaaaaaa......I got locked out of the forum a while ago. Not a lot of traffic either. WAaaaaaa  ::MonkeyWaa::
I got locked out too..I thought Oh Sh*t something good is happening and I can't get On.... ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: SS on January 03, 2009, 06:25:29 PM
I brought this post of mine from the last thread....

 Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -  on: Today at 12:10:05 PM 
I have just finished reading pages and pages.  I am feeling really uncomfortable about the FBI involvement, or lack of.  We have heard that Quantico was on board, no FBI was onboard, FBI from Barbados were involved, things were sent daily, things were sent only on 12/30, things were never sent, photographs were sent immediately, nothing was sent, photographs were sent in September, Beth was upset and sought counsel from someone she trusts, and Jug says that nothing was wrong.  Just like draining the pond the other day, this information doesn't add up.  I have a few things that I just am not comfortable about.  Has Kyle been the only source of information detailing FBI involvement?  The Freebirds are reporting Kyle's dates of FBI involvement, yet ldstlou is also reporting Kyle's dates of involvement and they are not the same.  Kermit reported sending information to the FBI in September and that seems to be the only FBI contact that hasn't been disputed.  I would like to see some kind of a breakdown from 12/25 when the cage was first discovered until September when Kermit submitted photographs.

Kermit, Jan, or another Freebird - did anyone compile or would someone compile a timeline of when Kyle reported to you that he had contact with the FBI, either onboard or electronically?

ldstlou - could you put together a timeline from Kyle's information or with his help that would specify when he had contact or had knowledge of contact with the FBI, onboard or electronically?  Dates would be not only helpful, but also needed at this point for clarification.

I think it would be very helpful to see a specific comparison of the two timelines, if for no other reason than because the information source is the same person.  Have I confused everyone?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 03, 2009, 06:53:02 PM
Sometimes someone posts something actually funny at RU:  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/duty_calls.png)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

And for when needed:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/50d5e11e.gif)

Or the stronger version:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/1066aa19.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 03, 2009, 06:58:51 PM
I just watched the Natalee Holloway special on "E" . . .again.

It still takes my breath away at how calculating and cold blooded Joran is about the whole thing. . . how he brags and boasts about being able to even sleep that very night.

And the "I am a tremendous liar" defense doesn't wear any better with the passage of time.  It's still just as flawed now as it was when it was applied to this sociopath.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 03, 2009, 07:04:21 PM
I just watched the Natalee Holloway special on "E" . . .again.

It still takes my breath away at how calculating and cold blooded Joran is about the whole thing. . . how he brags and boasts about being able to even sleep that very night.

And the "I am a tremendous liar" defense doesn't wear any better with the passage of time.  It's still just as flawed now as it was when it was applied to this sociopath.

My son watched that with me when it was on earlier.  When Joran says to Patrick "No. She'll never be found" and his is looking out the window my son said that part made him sure that Joran knows exactly what they did with her.  He said the way he was looking out the window was like he was remembering something.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: SS on January 03, 2009, 07:05:05 PM
Is it possible.........that when the Aruban/Dutch Coast Guard were on the trap site - Caps dove on the trap?  Is it possible that Caps is Coast Guard?

Just a thought.



Wingnut - I'm really wondering if Caps is CIA or Interpol.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 03, 2009, 07:05:19 PM
Guess all of of us wanted to know so i have verified Kermit's Presidential connections and indeed i found another pic who says a lot . .

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/verwant/Kermie.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 03, 2009, 07:14:38 PM
Guess all of of us wanted to know so i have verified Kermit's Presidential connections and indeed i found another pic who says a lot . .

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/verwant/Kermie.jpg)



This is hilarious. Think Froggy will like it? ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 03, 2009, 07:19:25 PM
I just watched the Natalee Holloway special on "E" . . .again.

It still takes my breath away at how calculating and cold blooded Joran is about the whole thing. . . how he brags and boasts about being able to even sleep that very night.

And the "I am a tremendous liar" defense doesn't wear any better with the passage of time.  It's still just as flawed now as it was when it was applied to this sociopath.

My son watched that with me when it was on earlier.  When Joran says to Patrick "No. She'll never be found" and his is looking out the window my son said that part made him sure that Joran knows exactly what they did with her.  He said the way he was looking out the window was like he was remembering something.

Is it possible to watch it via the internet?
I did search everywere but could not find it  ::MonkeyNoNo::  TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 03, 2009, 07:20:40 PM
Is it possible.........that when the Aruban/Dutch Coast Guard were on the trap site - Caps dove on the trap?  Is it possible that Caps is Coast Guard?

Just a thought.

wingnut - anything is possible.  I will say that I do believe Capslock does live in Aruba and that he's posted from Aruba for the most part.  Caps did say he dove on the trap site and the trap was still there.

I've asked this before, but asking again. If the trap/cage is still down there, couldn't it be brought up for inspection? I'd like to see some Americans just sneak in there and retrieve the trap. Is it possible that there could still be DNA attached to that trap/cage. Could a sticky fingerprint stay through the elements? Anything?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 03, 2009, 07:23:57 PM
I just watched the Natalee Holloway special on "E" . . .again.

It still takes my breath away at how calculating and cold blooded Joran is about the whole thing. . . how he brags and boasts about being able to even sleep that very night.

And the "I am a tremendous liar" defense doesn't wear any better with the passage of time.  It's still just as flawed now as it was when it was applied to this sociopath.

My son watched that with me when it was on earlier.  When Joran says to Patrick "No. She'll never be found" and his is looking out the window my son said that part made him sure that Joran knows exactly what they did with her.  He said the way he was looking out the window was like he was remembering something.

Is it possible to watch it via the internet?
I did search everywere but could not find it  ::MonkeyNoNo::  TIA

Bastibro,

I don't know of a way to watch it on the internet but if I see anything about that, I will be sure to post it.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 03, 2009, 07:24:07 PM
I just watched the Natalee Holloway special on "E" . . .again.

It still takes my breath away at how calculating and cold blooded Joran is about the whole thing. . . how he brags and boasts about being able to even sleep that very night.

And the "I am a tremendous liar" defense doesn't wear any better with the passage of time.  It's still just as flawed now as it was when it was applied to this sociopath.

My son watched that with me when it was on earlier.  When Joran says to Patrick "No. She'll never be found" and his is looking out the window my son said that part made him sure that Joran knows exactly what they did with her.  He said the way he was looking out the window was like he was remembering something.

Is it possible to watch it via the internet?
I did search everywere but could not find it  ::MonkeyNoNo::  TIA

I don't know.  We watched on the E! station.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 03, 2009, 07:24:08 PM
Is it possible.........that when the Aruban/Dutch Coast Guard were on the trap site - Caps dove on the trap?  Is it possible that Caps is Coast Guard?

Just a thought.

wingnut - anything is possible.  I will say that I do believe Capslock does live in Aruba and that he's posted from Aruba for the most part.  Caps did say he dove on the trap site and the trap was still there.

I've asked this before, but asking again. If the trap/cage is still down there, couldn't it be brought up for inspection? I'd like to see some Americans just sneak in there and retrieve the trap. Is it possible that there could still be DNA attached to that trap/cage. Could a sticky fingerprint stay through the elements? Anything?

fingerprints ? after a few years ? i don't think so


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 03, 2009, 07:31:52 PM
I just watched the Natalee Holloway special on "E" . . .again.

It still takes my breath away at how calculating and cold blooded Joran is about the whole thing. . . how he brags and boasts about being able to even sleep that very night.

And the "I am a tremendous liar" defense doesn't wear any better with the passage of time.  It's still just as flawed now as it was when it was applied to this sociopath.

My son watched that with me when it was on earlier.  When Joran says to Patrick "No. She'll never be found" and his is looking out the window my son said that part made him sure that Joran knows exactly what they did with her.  He said the way he was looking out the window was like he was remembering something.

Is it possible to watch it via the internet?
I did search everywere but could not find it  ::MonkeyNoNo::  TIA

I don't know.  We watched on the E! station.

Thanks a lot, Anna And TS . .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 07:33:03 PM
Where did Eduardo get his training for search and rescue?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 03, 2009, 07:59:28 PM
Where did Eduardo get his training for search and rescue?

I found this Eduardo on Classmates.com.  this school is not far from me:


    * School: Castle Heights
      Military Academy
      Lebanon, TN
      Class of 1986
    * Interests: Ask me to fill out
      my Q&A

    * Send Email
    * View on Map
    * Add to Friends
    * Add to Bookmarks
    * Ask Me to Share
    * Report This Profile

Get closer to Eduardo—and anyone else.
Send private email Read your replies See guestbook names Go Gold today »
Send Eduardo an email. It's the most direct way to reconnect.
You could have a friend just around the corner. See if Eduardo is on Classmates Maps.
Keep up with Eduardo. It's easier to follow people's lives if they're on your friends list.
 
Add Eduardo's profile to a private list to visit whenever you want to see what's new.
 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 08:06:30 PM
Where did Eduardo get his training for search and rescue?

I found this Eduardo on Classmates.com.  this school is not far from me:


    * School: Castle Heights
      Military Academy
      Lebanon, TN
      Class of 1986
    * Interests: Ask me to fill out
      my Q&A

    * Send Email
    * View on Map
    * Add to Friends
    * Add to Bookmarks
    * Ask Me to Share
    * Report This Profile

Get closer to Eduardo—and anyone else.
Send private email Read your replies See guestbook names Go Gold today »
Send Eduardo an email. It's the most direct way to reconnect.
You could have a friend just around the corner. See if Eduardo is on Classmates Maps.
Keep up with Eduardo. It's easier to follow people's lives if they're on your friends list.
 
Add Eduardo's profile to a private list to visit whenever you want to see what's new.
 
Find out more about Eduardo. Ask for new photos, stories, answers, and more.
 

Say you were here:

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Why would Mos,Richardson,as well as Comemencia trust Eduardo?He was on the Persistence on the 7th correct?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 03, 2009, 08:14:12 PM
Where did Eduardo get his training for search and rescue?

I found this Eduardo on Classmates.com.  this school is not far from me:


    * School: Castle Heights
      Military Academy
      Lebanon, TN
      Class of 1986
    * Interests: Ask me to fill out
      my Q&A

    * Send Email
    * View on Map
    * Add to Friends
    * Add to Bookmarks
    * Ask Me to Share
    * Report This Profile

Get closer to Eduardo—and anyone else.
Send private email Read your replies See guestbook names Go Gold today »
Send Eduardo an email. It's the most direct way to reconnect.
You could have a friend just around the corner. See if Eduardo is on Classmates Maps.
Keep up with Eduardo. It's easier to follow people's lives if they're on your friends list.
 
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Find out more about Eduardo. Ask for new photos, stories, answers, and more.
 

Say you were here:

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Eduardo at a Military Academy
      Lebanon, TN
      Class of 1986??

Wasn`t that Jossy?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 03, 2009, 08:18:08 PM
Where did Eduardo get his training for search and rescue?

I found this Eduardo on Classmates.com.  this school is not far from me:


    * School: Castle Heights
      Military Academy
      Lebanon, TN
      Class of 1986
    * Interests: Ask me to fill out
      my Q&A

    * Send Email
    * View on Map
    * Add to Friends
    * Add to Bookmarks
    * Ask Me to Share
    * Report This Profile

Get closer to Eduardo—and anyone else.
Send private email Read your replies See guestbook names Go Gold today »
Send Eduardo an email. It's the most direct way to reconnect.
You could have a friend just around the corner. See if Eduardo is on Classmates Maps.
Keep up with Eduardo. It's easier to follow people's lives if they're on your friends list.
 
Add Eduardo's profile to a private list to visit whenever you want to see what's new.
 
Find out more about Eduardo. Ask for new photos, stories, answers, and more.
 

Say you were here:

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Eduardo at a Military Academy
      Lebanon, TN
      Class of 1986??

Wasn`t that Jossy?




I think Jossy went to St. Stanislaus in Mississippi.  That school has closed.  I think many in the next generation of Manurs went to Castle Heights.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 03, 2009, 08:18:47 PM
Where did Eduardo get his training for search and rescue?

I found this Eduardo on Classmates.com.  this school is not far from me:


    * School: Castle Heights
      Military Academy
      Lebanon, TN
      Class of 1986
    * Interests: Ask me to fill out
      my Q&A

    * Send Email
    * View on Map
    * Add to Friends
    * Add to Bookmarks
    * Ask Me to Share
    * Report This Profile

Get closer to Eduardo—and anyone else.
Send private email Read your replies See guestbook names Go Gold today »
Send Eduardo an email. It's the most direct way to reconnect.
You could have a friend just around the corner. See if Eduardo is on Classmates Maps.
Keep up with Eduardo. It's easier to follow people's lives if they're on your friends list.
 
Add Eduardo's profile to a private list to visit whenever you want to see what's new.
 
Find out more about Eduardo. Ask for new photos, stories, answers, and more.
 

Say you were here:

    * Sign Eduardo's guestbook
    * Change setting



Eduardo at a Military Academy
      Lebanon, TN
      Class of 1986??

Wasn`t that Jossy?

No I think Jossy is more in his 50's which would make him more in the 70's.  I think Jossy went to the same military school as Jug Twitty did and if I am not mistaken I think it was in Sawanee, TN.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 03, 2009, 08:20:34 PM
That should read St. Stanislaus.  It was affiliated with Sacred Heart.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 03, 2009, 08:25:30 PM
Jossy went to a small college in Mobile, AL after graduating from St. Stanislaus.

Jug went to Castle Heights and graduated in 74.  The Mansurs that went there later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 03, 2009, 08:26:13 PM
That should read St. Stanislaus.  It was affiliated with Sacred Heart.

Yep, sorry, Jossy`s father or mother was from Lebanon wich confused me, i`m sorry ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 03, 2009, 08:29:36 PM
That should read St. Stanislaus.  It was affiliated with Sacred Heart.

Yep, sorry, Jossy`s father or mother was from Lebanon wich confused me, i`m sorry ::MonkeyWink::

LOL.  Different Lebanon.  Lebanon, TN is not quite as big.  LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 08:35:09 PM
With The Mansur's history they have to have the story of how this transpired.With there history it would be logical to think they have friends in the Polis which is very obvious from Eduardo searching from the beginning and being aboard the Persistence at a critical juncture in the search.Doesn't make sense to me! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 03, 2009, 08:36:38 PM
That should read St. Stanislaus.  It was affiliated with Sacred Heart.

Yep, sorry, Jossy`s father or mother was from Lebanon wich confused me, i`m sorry ::MonkeyWink::

LOL.  Different Lebanon.  Lebanon, TN is not quite as big.  LOL

LOL, i didn`t realized that while posting ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 08:36:57 PM
Truthseeker

"Klye:  I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them.
pg 39http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.760


Kyle stated: "Unless the FBI already knew the Dutch were on site doing a sweep.. I doubt they know it was done, if it were. I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them. I tried to confirm or disprove the Dutch coast guard having been on site twice but I could do neither."
 

QUESTION: Kyle - have you given a statement at all to the FBI?
Kyle's response:  I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th. Remember, 6 of the pics from the 29th I sent to the FBI ended up on the Internet thanks to the FBI leaking them to Dave and therefore Robin H.



Kyle said: "On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge
Oh, noone has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 03, 2009, 08:37:18 PM
With The Mansur's history they have to have the story of how this transpired.With there history it would be logical to think they have friends in the Polis which is very obvious from Eduardo searching from the beginning and being aboard the Persistence at a critical juncture in the search.Doesn't make sense to me! ::MonkeyConfused::

Eduardo is the co-founder of the Aruba dive team.  Does anyone know who the other founder is if Eduardo is only a co-founder?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 08:41:05 PM
Kermit!!!I'm going crazy with the Mansur Family.... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
SS asked
Kermit, Jan, or another Freebird - did anyone compile or would someone compile a timeline of when Kyle reported to you that he had contact with the FBI, either onboard or electronically?

Kyle said: " I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th. Remember, 6 of the pics from the 29th I sent to the FBI ended up on the Internet thanks to the FBI leaking them to Dave and therefore Robin H."

Kyle said: "On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge
Oh, noone has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself."


Kyle said: "Remember, working in Aruban waters you are subject to their invitation. We did not have any of our people in the water. It was our ROV though recording the ops. I didn't agree to how it was but didn't have an option, nor was it my decision to be made. And yes, these photos should boggle your mind.


Dec. 20 Caps registered at SM, dive at cage takes place
Dec. 24 - Kyle mets the Detective and his brother who has a vision and gives them coordinates of the trap
Jan 7 - Aruba divers collect evidence from trap
Jan 9 - 14 - Kyle is off the ship staying at Holiday Inn.
Jan 11 - Kyle sees a ship around the dive site
Jan 17 - Caps puts his first post at SM
Jan 22 - leak the persistence found something
Jan 30 - Caps emails Dave "To get Natalee Body you have to come to Aruba and arrange for some large Pumps that can drain a small pond. It has an odd shape.

Early Feb kyle is trying to "strike a deal" to sell the video/photos with media
Feb 27 - Sonar used on Pond
Feb 28 - The witness went to Helen LeJuez & she set up a meeting for him with Clyde Burke from ALE.
Kyle said: "The witness watched our efforts and as a result, wanted to open up to us, through John S"
Feb. Kyle asked for donations

Mar 1 - announcement Rv Persistence search was ending due to lack of funds
Mar 3 - John Silvetti met with Caps/RV Persistence starts return to Louisiana






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 03, 2009, 08:44:14 PM
Truthseeker

"Klye:  I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them.
pg 39http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.760


Kyle stated: "Unless the FBI already knew the Dutch were on site doing a sweep.. I doubt they know it was done, if it were. I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them. I tried to confirm or disprove the Dutch coast guard having been on site twice but I could do neither."





So this particular statement is about the Dutch being on site and not about ROV pics or scans?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 08:46:30 PM
billb asked:
en...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7.
Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th

Kyle stated: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days.
I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities. HAHA..

Kyle stated: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.

John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again.[/b] Of course this didn't set well with me. After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn. Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean". Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities".


Panther is the one John mentioned to CAPS



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 03, 2009, 08:47:15 PM
Guess all of of us wanted to know so i have verified Kermit's Presidential connections and indeed i found another pic who says a lot . .

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/verwant/Kermie.jpg)



This is hilarious. Think Froggy will like it? ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

THAT IS FUNNY!!!  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 08:47:44 PM
Truthseeker

"Klye:  I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them.
pg 39http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.760


Kyle stated: "Unless the FBI already knew the Dutch were on site doing a sweep.. I doubt they know it was done, if it were. I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them. I tried to confirm or disprove the Dutch coast guard having been on site twice but I could do neither."





So this particular statement is about the Dutch being on site and not about ROV pics or scans?


If memory serves me when Kyle was asked if he gave the photos or statements to the FBI, he always replied NO. Nother then the 6 photos that were sent to Dave that Robin Holloway posted, he sent nothing to the FBI is what he stated.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 08:54:16 PM
Kermit!!!I'm going crazy with the Mansur Family.... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank.
<snip>
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. This is how you launder money basically.

The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

company-ownership or real estate property could well be hidden through the construction of Aruban off-shore limited liability companies offering strong secrecy provisions.
<snip>
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

Paulus “ has worked as an attorney for the Aruban judicial system for court prosecutors. PAULUS then was given a different assignment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm


Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Dave Holloway).
Paulus Van Der Sloot was in the Prosecutors office/ substitute judge, Van Der Straaten is Police Superintendent/Police Commissioner working under Paulus.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 08:56:20 PM
Kermit!!!I'm going crazy with the Mansur Family.... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank.
<snip>
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. This is how you launder money basically.

The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

company-ownership or real estate property could well be hidden through the construction of Aruban off-shore limited liability companies offering strong secrecy provisions.
<snip>
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

Paulus “ has worked as an attorney for the Aruban judicial system for court prosecutors. PAULUS then was given a different assignment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm


Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Dave Holloway).
Paulus Van Der Sloot was in the Prosecutors office/ substitute judge, Van Der Straaten is Police Superintendent/Police Commissioner working under Paulus.





Thanx Kermit!How could they not know? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 08:57:05 PM
bastibro

 Saw the photo - very funny, made me laugh
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 08:57:45 PM
Kycat
and
snoopy

Thank you for your kind words.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 03, 2009, 08:57:46 PM
The Panter is a Dutch Coast Guard patrol cutter
NAACGC Panter P811
Pix on here...http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.940
Reply #943

I am having probs w/ puter tonight. Can't bring it over. I know we have all seen it a hundred times, but o well. There it is again, lol.

Edited to add pic for Nut:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/OP811-Panter1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 08:58:25 PM
Kermit!!!I'm going crazy with the Mansur Family.... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank.
<snip>
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. This is how you launder money basically.

The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

company-ownership or real estate property could well be hidden through the construction of Aruban off-shore limited liability companies offering strong secrecy provisions.
<snip>
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

Paulus “ has worked as an attorney for the Aruban judicial system for court prosecutors. PAULUS then was given a different assignment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm


Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Dave Holloway).
Paulus Van Der Sloot was in the Prosecutors office/ substitute judge, Van Der Straaten is Police Superintendent/Police Commissioner working under Paulus.





Thanx Kermit!How could they not know? ::MonkeyConfused::

Theres a whole lot more, but I would rather wait to divulge that.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 03, 2009, 09:00:13 PM
With The Mansur's history they have to have the story of how this transpired.With there history it would be logical to think they have friends in the Polis which is very obvious from Eduardo searching from the beginning and being aboard the Persistence at a critical juncture in the search.Doesn't make sense to me! ::MonkeyConfused::

Eduardo is the co-founder of the Aruba dive team.  Does anyone know who the other founder is if Eduardo is only a co-founder?

BUMP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 09:00:26 PM
The Panter is a Dutch Coast Guard patrol cutter
NAACGC Panter P811
Pix on here...http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.940
Reply #943

I am having probs w/ puter tonight. Can't bring it over. I know we have all seen it a hundred times, but o well. There it is again, lol.

(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4340.0;attach=4538;image)

I recall Kyle having a discussion with the birdies about it.
But maybe Jen or Winger or Sharon can fill you in.
Cuz, at that time, I was suspicious of him and not really paying attention to what he was posting asking us
what it looked like or something and I thought that odd considering he's a boat guy!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 03, 2009, 09:01:22 PM
With The Mansur's history they have to have the story of how this transpired.With there history it would be logical to think they have friends in the Polis which is very obvious from Eduardo searching from the beginning and being aboard the Persistence at a critical juncture in the search.Doesn't make sense to me! ::MonkeyConfused::

Eduardo is the co-founder of the Aruba dive team.  Does anyone know who the other founder is if Eduardo is only a co-founder?

Ruben Croes.  He's a helicoptor guy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 09:01:43 PM
With The Mansur's history they have to have the story of how this transpired.With there history it would be logical to think they have friends in the Polis which is very obvious from Eduardo searching from the beginning and being aboard the Persistence at a critical juncture in the search.Doesn't make sense to me! ::MonkeyConfused::

Eduardo is the co-founder of the Aruba dive team.  Does anyone know who the other founder is if Eduardo is only a co-founder?

I recall Kyle said Eduardo owned Benny Hanna's (not sure how you spell that. I ate there before though) AND Hooters and I think some other place.



BUMP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 09:03:10 PM
Kermit!!!I'm going crazy with the Mansur Family.... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank.
<snip>
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. This is how you launder money basically.

The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

company-ownership or real estate property could well be hidden through the construction of Aruban off-shore limited liability companies offering strong secrecy provisions.
<snip>
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

Paulus “ has worked as an attorney for the Aruban judicial system for court prosecutors. PAULUS then was given a different assignment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm


Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Dave Holloway).
Paulus Van Der Sloot was in the Prosecutors office/ substitute judge, Van Der Straaten is Police Superintendent/Police Commissioner working under Paulus.





Thanx Kermit!How could they not know? ::MonkeyConfused::

Theres a whole lot more, but I would rather wait to divulge that.



I know Kermit.It's all so sad!The Holloway's are the epity of Good people.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: San on January 03, 2009, 09:03:14 PM
Kermit!!!I'm going crazy with the Mansur Family.... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank.
<snip>
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. This is how you launder money basically.

The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

company-ownership or real estate property could well be hidden through the construction of Aruban off-shore limited liability companies offering strong secrecy provisions.
<snip>
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

Paulus “ has worked as an attorney for the Aruban judicial system for court prosecutors. PAULUS then was given a different assignment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm


Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Dave Holloway).
Paulus Van Der Sloot was in the Prosecutors office/ substitute judge, Van Der Straaten is Police Superintendent/Police Commissioner working under Paulus.



Thanx Kermit!How could they not know? ::MonkeyConfused::

Theres a whole lot more, but I would rather wait to divulge that.



I have all the time in the world  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 03, 2009, 09:07:55 PM
I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/vdSloot/JoraninUTL03-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: SS on January 03, 2009, 09:09:00 PM
SS asked
Kermit, Jan, or another Freebird - did anyone compile or would someone compile a timeline of when Kyle reported to you that he had contact with the FBI, either onboard or electronically?

Kyle said: " I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th. Remember, 6 of the pics from the 29th I sent to the FBI ended up on the Internet thanks to the FBI leaking them to Dave and therefore Robin H."

Kyle said: "On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge
Oh, noone has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself."


Kyle said: "Remember, working in Aruban waters you are subject to their invitation. We did not have any of our people in the water. It was our ROV though recording the ops. I didn't agree to how it was but didn't have an option, nor was it my decision to be made. And yes, these photos should boggle your mind.


Dec. 20 Caps registered at SM, dive at cage takes place
Dec. 24 - Kyle mets the Detective and his brother who has a vision and gives them coordinates of the trap
Jan 7 - Aruba divers collect evidence from trap
Jan 9 - 14 - Kyle is off the ship staying at Holiday Inn.
Jan 11 - Kyle sees a ship around the dive site
Jan 17 - Caps puts his first post at SM
Jan 22 - leak the persistence found something
Jan 30 - Caps emails Dave "To get Natalee Body you have to come to Aruba and arrange for some large Pumps that can drain a small pond. It has an odd shape.

Early Feb kyle is trying to "strike a deal" to sell the video/photos with media
Feb 27 - Sonar used on Pond
Feb 28 - The witness went to Helen LeJuez & she set up a meeting for him with Clyde Burke from ALE.
Kyle said: "The witness watched our efforts and as a result, wanted to open up to us, through John S"
Feb. Kyle asked for donations

Mar 1 - announcement Rv Persistence search was ending due to lack of funds
Mar 3 - John Silvetti met with Caps/RV Persistence starts return to Louisiana







Thanks Kermit.  So, you have nothing on your timeline except that Kyle sent or gave images of the cage to the FBI on 12/29.  You sent images from 1/7 to the FBI in September.  Let's see what ldstlou has.  Thanks for the help.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 09:09:35 PM
email/ because it is not allowed, I can only tell you what the email states. BUT If I need to PROVE it is legit, I can.

This individual talked to Jug and  asked Jug about Schaeffer...
Jug told this person that "he is the oil guy and that Schaefer was the one that provided the cash to get down there.

I'm not sure if the person said this or assumed this or if Jug said it to the person:

"Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.

Silvetti did a large mapping process while they are looking for Natalee's remain.

Once they were done then "Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc.:

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer according to what this person said that Jug Twitty said to this person.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 03, 2009, 09:09:48 PM
I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/vdSloot/JoraninUTL03-1.jpg)



LOL.  You always make me laugh!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 09:10:25 PM
SS,

you are welcome.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 09:11:58 PM
Kermit!!!I'm going crazy with the Mansur Family.... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank.
<snip>
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. This is how you launder money basically.

The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

company-ownership or real estate property could well be hidden through the construction of Aruban off-shore limited liability companies offering strong secrecy provisions.
<snip>
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

Paulus “ has worked as an attorney for the Aruban judicial system for court prosecutors. PAULUS then was given a different assignment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm


Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Dave Holloway).
Paulus Van Der Sloot was in the Prosecutors office/ substitute judge, Van Der Straaten is Police Superintendent/Police Commissioner working under Paulus.



Thanx Kermit!How could they not know? ::MonkeyConfused::

Theres a whole lot more, but I would rather wait to divulge that.



I have all the time in the world  ::MonkeyWink::

There is a lot and one more piece could make a difference.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 09:12:55 PM
Kermit!!!I'm going crazy with the Mansur Family.... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank.
<snip>
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. This is how you launder money basically.

The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

company-ownership or real estate property could well be hidden through the construction of Aruban off-shore limited liability companies offering strong secrecy provisions.
<snip>
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

Paulus “ has worked as an attorney for the Aruban judicial system for court prosecutors. PAULUS then was given a different assignment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm


Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Dave Holloway).
Paulus Van Der Sloot was in the Prosecutors office/ substitute judge, Van Der Straaten is Police Superintendent/Police Commissioner working under Paulus.





Thanx Kermit!How could they not know? ::MonkeyConfused::

Theres a whole lot more, but I would rather wait to divulge that.



I know Kermit.It's all so sad!The Holloway's are the epity of Good people.

Yes they are. They do not deserve this. So we felt it better to bring it in the open.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: San on January 03, 2009, 09:14:46 PM
Kermit!!!I'm going crazy with the Mansur Family.... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank.
<snip>
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. This is how you launder money basically.

The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

company-ownership or real estate property could well be hidden through the construction of Aruban off-shore limited liability companies offering strong secrecy provisions.
<snip>
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

Paulus “ has worked as an attorney for the Aruban judicial system for court prosecutors. PAULUS then was given a different assignment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm


Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Dave Holloway).
Paulus Van Der Sloot was in the Prosecutors office/ substitute judge, Van Der Straaten is Police Superintendent/Police Commissioner working under Paulus.



Thanx Kermit!How could they not know? ::MonkeyConfused::

Theres a whole lot more, but I would rather wait to divulge that.



I have all the time in the world  ::MonkeyWink::

There is a lot and one more piece could make a difference.



Yep.  And I would say some people aren't going to be happy but guess what?  I don't care because I want the truth.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 09:16:14 PM
As San said!I All the time in the world.Any thoughts on the potential for an arrest or is this much ado about nothing?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 09:16:19 PM
The Panter is a Dutch Coast Guard patrol cutter
NAACGC Panter P811
Pix on here...http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.940
Reply #943

I am having probs w/ puter tonight. Can't bring it over. I know we have all seen it a hundred times, but o well. There it is again, lol.

Edited to add pic for Nut:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/OP811-Panter1.jpg)

Nut,

This is CAPS discussing what took place at the meeting at his house. Note that John is the one that told CAPS the cage/trap is a postoffice. AND John mentions the Panter at the trap/cage site.

"John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice. When I told him the story about the cage, he also understand now some things that he could not have question about. Like why is the Panter allways parked over the spot while there is notting anymore in he cage."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 03, 2009, 09:17:02 PM
The truth and justice for Natalee are what matter. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 09:17:15 PM
[quoteI have all the time in the world  ::MonkeyWink::


There is a lot and one more piece could make a difference.


[/quote]

Yep.  And I would say some people aren't going to be happy but guess what?  I don't care because I want the truth.
[/quote]

I stand with ya SAN.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 09:19:02 PM
The truth and justice for Natalee are what matter. 

Serving notice on Aruba we won't accept anything less!
Give Natalee back to the United States of America!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: SS on January 03, 2009, 09:19:05 PM
email/ because it is not allowed, I can only tell you what the email states. BUT If I need to PROVE it is legit, I can.

This individual talked to Jug and  asked Jug about Schaeffer...
Jug told this person that "he is the oil guy and that Schaefer was the one that provided the cash to get down there.

I'm not sure if the person said this or assumed this or if Jug said it to the person:

"Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.

Silvetti did a large mapping process while they are looking for Natalee's remain.

Once they were done then "Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc.:

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer according to what this person said that Jug Twitty said to this person.





I don't know about anyone else, but I don't really have a problem with Persistence mapping the ocean floor while they were looking for Natalee.  I just hope that the contents of the cage were not determined to be insignificant so that Persistence could continue to map the ocean floor as a not for profit venture.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 09:20:37 PM
email/ because it is not allowed, I can only tell you what the email states. BUT If I need to PROVE it is legit, I can.

This individual talked to Jug and  asked Jug about Schaeffer...
Jug told this person that "he is the oil guy and that Schaefer was the one that provided the cash to get down there.

I'm not sure if the person said this or assumed this or if Jug said it to the person:

"Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.

Silvetti did a large mapping process while they are looking for Natalee's remain.

Once they were done then "Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc.:

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer according to what this person said that Jug Twitty said to this person.





I don't know about anyone else, but I don't really have a problem with Persistence mapping the ocean floor while they were looking for Natalee.  I just hope that the contents of the cage were not determined to be insignificant so that Persistence could continue to map the ocean floor as a not for profit venture.

The fact that Kyle, Louis Schafer and Tim were trying to sell the video/photos kind of tells us that cage was significant, yes?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 09:21:16 PM
email/ because it is not allowed, I can only tell you what the email states. BUT If I need to PROVE it is legit, I can.

This individual talked to Jug and  asked Jug about Schaeffer...
Jug told this person that "he is the oil guy and that Schaefer was the one that provided the cash to get down there.

I'm not sure if the person said this or assumed this or if Jug said it to the person:

"Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.

Silvetti did a large mapping process while they are looking for Natalee's remain.

Once they were done then "Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc.:

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer according to what this person said that Jug Twitty said to this person.





I don't know about anyone else, but I don't really have a problem with Persistence mapping the ocean floor while they were looking for Natalee.  I just hope that the contents of the cage were not determined to be insignificant so that Persistence could continue to map the ocean floor as a not for profit venture.

That's a interesting one for me?Why ask for donations then?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 09:25:08 PM
As San said!I All the time in the world.Any thoughts on the potential for an arrest or is this much ado about nothing?

If ya can Kermit!If not i understand...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 09:25:32 PM
Quote
author=Keepthefaith link=topic=4344.msg611454#msg611454 date=1231035676]


That's a interesting one for me?Why ask for donations then?

I burst out laughing when I read that. I have to say you are right!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2009, 09:26:02 PM
The truth and justice for Natalee are what matter. 

Serving notice on Aruba we won't accept anything less!
Give Natalee back to the United States of America!



Just in case they didn't hear you Kermit!!!!!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 03, 2009, 09:26:04 PM
The truth and justice for Natalee are what matter. 

AMEN Klaas!!

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/image703069.jpg)(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/image703068.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 09:27:25 PM
Well, I was going to ask Janet to make my mom's shoefly pie, but she is out with her veggie and the grandkids so I'll say ado.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 09:28:26 PM
The truth and justice for Natalee are what matter. 

AMEN Klaas!!

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/image703069.jpg)(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/image703068.jpg)

Love those photos bastibro.

Lets keep the truth exposed!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2009, 09:29:51 PM
Well, I was going to ask Janet to make my mom's shoefly pie, but she is out with her veggie and the grandkids so I'll say ado.



I'll find you something Kermmie, I can never compete with Janet; but I will do my best!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 09:32:00 PM
Well, I was going to ask Janet to make my mom's shoefly pie, but she is out with her veggie and the grandkids so I'll say ado.



 ::MonkeyDance:: Thanx Kermit!Must get dinner but will return in a in a short bit Monkey's.The Frog is so easy to stand with...... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 09:33:21 PM
Hello Wingnut!JUSTICE FOR NATALEE............... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I'M OFF ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2009, 09:37:08 PM
(http://www.maplesprings.com/shoofly1023.jpg)

Not sure if this is the one Kermmie likes, but it was worth a try.

Thanks Kermit for all your doing, and all you've done; for Natalee and our country.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 03, 2009, 09:38:19 PM
I am having a hard time understand why Eduardo Mansur was in on those dives, he works for Diaro, he is Jossy's son yet Jossy has not said a word about any of this.  Eduardo and Jossy put together a dive using local divers before the Persistence came to Aruba.  I think it was using that guy who could smell (or vision) human bones and it did not go too well. I just cannot understand why Diaro has not had any kind of writeup concerning all that is going on with the photos of the cage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wingnut on January 03, 2009, 09:44:19 PM
Hello Wingnut!JUSTICE FOR NATALEE............... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I'M OFF ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Hi Keepthefaith!  In case you hadn't noticed, I am the quiet one.  I am sure Jen, Kermit and the others will testify to that.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2009, 09:49:14 PM
I was thinking that maybe Kermit meant a real fly pie, but it could take me days to catch enough flies to make a pie with...until I found this! woohooo!

 ::MonkeyWink::

(http://www.devilgraphics.com/fly/fly2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 03, 2009, 09:52:47 PM
email/ because it is not allowed, I can only tell you what the email states. BUT If I need to PROVE it is legit, I can.

This individual talked to Jug and  asked Jug about Schaeffer...
Jug told this person that "he is the oil guy and that Schaefer was the one that provided the cash to get down there.

I'm not sure if the person said this or assumed this or if Jug said it to the person:

"Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.

Silvetti did a large mapping process while they are looking for Natalee's remain.

Once they were done then "Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc.:

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer according to what this person said that Jug Twitty said to this person.





I don't know about anyone else, but I don't really have a problem with Persistence mapping the ocean floor while they were looking for Natalee.  I just hope that the contents of the cage were not determined to be insignificant so that Persistence could continue to map the ocean floor as a not for profit venture.
The problem is not doing BOTH at the same time -- the problem is maintaining non-profit status. If the true function was to map the ocean floor (with looking for Natalee as secondary) then they probaly cannot claim non-profit status. Now look what MIGHT happen (hypothetically): say they DO find Natalee. If they want to finish their mapping job -- they will lose the non-prfit status. 


.......hypothetically speaking............ might it behoove to arrange that Natalee be found elsewhere than the ocean floor and ruin their mapping job???


Do you see the conflict possibilities?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2009, 09:58:31 PM
email/ because it is not allowed, I can only tell you what the email states. BUT If I need to PROVE it is legit, I can.

This individual talked to Jug and  asked Jug about Schaeffer...
Jug told this person that "he is the oil guy and that Schaefer was the one that provided the cash to get down there.

I'm not sure if the person said this or assumed this or if Jug said it to the person:

"Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.

Silvetti did a large mapping process while they are looking for Natalee's remain.

Once they were done then "Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc.:

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer according to what this person said that Jug Twitty said to this person.


I don't know about anyone else, but I don't really have a problem with Persistence mapping the ocean floor while they were looking for Natalee.  I just hope that the contents of the cage were not determined to be insignificant so that Persistence could continue to map the ocean floor as a not for profit venture.

That's a interesting one for me?Why ask for donations then?

I agree KTF.  Why not be honest about the intentions of the mission?  Instead have us all believe this was a mission dedicated only to finding Natalee; that someone was willing to DONATE a million dollars to find Natalee because they had such a big heart!  I can bring all the articles here that quote what Silvetti and Schaefer BOTH stated about why they were doing this and it had nothing to do with mapping the ocean floor for other purposes.  Honesty goes a long way with me, especially when (WHILE YOU ARE PACKING TO GO HOME ANYWAY) you are saying you need more money to finish searching for Natalee or you're going home! 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 03, 2009, 10:00:46 PM
email/ because it is not allowed, I can only tell you what the email states. BUT If I need to PROVE it is legit, I can.

This individual talked to Jug and  asked Jug about Schaeffer...
Jug told this person that "he is the oil guy and that Schaefer was the one that provided the cash to get down there.

I'm not sure if the person said this or assumed this or if Jug said it to the person:

"Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.

Silvetti did a large mapping process while they are looking for Natalee's remain.

Once they were done then "Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc.:

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer according to what this person said that Jug Twitty said to this person.





I don't know about anyone else, but I don't really have a problem with Persistence mapping the ocean floor while they were looking for Natalee.  I just hope that the contents of the cage were not determined to be insignificant so that Persistence could continue to map the ocean floor as a not for profit venture.
The problem is not doing BOTH at the same time -- the problem is maintaining non-profit status. If the true function was to map the ocean floor (with looking for Natalee as secondary) then they probaly cannot claim non-profit status. Now look what MIGHT happen (hypothetically): say they DO find Natalee. If they want to finish their mapping job -- they will lose the non-profit status. 


.......hypothetically speaking............ might it behoove to arrange that Natalee be found elsewhere than the ocean floor and ruin their mapping job???


Do you see the conflict possibilities?


...just wanted to clarify that I recognize what SS was saying as the same, but I wanted to stress that it would become much more sinister if the final search of the pond before the Persistence left was for nefarious reasons. This really smells to me!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2009, 10:04:57 PM
email/ because it is not allowed, I can only tell you what the email states. BUT If I need to PROVE it is legit, I can.

This individual talked to Jug and  asked Jug about Schaeffer...
Jug told this person that "he is the oil guy and that Schaefer was the one that provided the cash to get down there.

I'm not sure if the person said this or assumed this or if Jug said it to the person:

"Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.

Silvetti did a large mapping process while they are looking for Natalee's remain.

Once they were done then "Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc.:

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer according to what this person said that Jug Twitty said to this person.





I don't know about anyone else, but I don't really have a problem with Persistence mapping the ocean floor while they were looking for Natalee.  I just hope that the contents of the cage were not determined to be insignificant so that Persistence could continue to map the ocean floor as a not for profit venture.
The problem is not doing BOTH at the same time -- the problem is maintaining non-profit status. If the true function was to map the ocean floor (with looking for Natalee as secondary) then they probaly cannot claim non-profit status. Now look what MIGHT happen (hypothetically): say they DO find Natalee. If they want to finish their mapping job -- they will lose the non-profit status. 


.......hypothetically speaking............ might it behoove to arrange that Natalee be found elsewhere than the ocean floor and ruin their mapping job???


Do you see the conflict possibilities?


...just wanted to clarify that I recognize what SS was saying as the same, but I wanted to stress that it would become much more sinister if the final search of the pond before the Persistence left was for nefarious reasons. This really smells to me!!

It smells to me too wreck!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 03, 2009, 10:13:00 PM
It and everybody smell to me right now, too.

How did all these people become so intertwined?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2009, 10:17:31 PM
I am having a hard time understand why Eduardo Mansur was in on those dives, he works for Diaro, he is Jossy's son yet Jossy has not said a word about any of this.  Eduardo and Jossy put together a dive using local divers before the Persistence came to Aruba.  I think it was using that guy who could smell (or vision) human bones and it did not go too well. I just cannot understand why Diaro has not had any kind of writeup concerning all that is going on with the photos of the cage.

I called my contact at Diario and asked about this and their response was "What cage, was it in the pond?"

Just kidding!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 03, 2009, 10:18:37 PM
It and everybody smell to me right now, too.

How did all these people become so intertwined?
No, we don't know for sure that Natalee was indeed in that trap -- but there sure as been a hell of a lot attention by several people for a cage containing nothing but "plastic".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2009, 10:20:41 PM
It and everybody smell to me right now, too.

How did all these people become so intertwined?
No, we don't know for sure that Natalee was indeed in that trap -- but there sure as been a hell of a lot attention by several people for a cage containing nothing but "plastic".

Ain't that the truth!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 03, 2009, 10:38:22 PM
It and everybody smell to me right now, too.

How did all these people become so intertwined?
No, we don't know for sure that Natalee was indeed in that trap -- but there sure as been a hell of a lot attention by several people for a cage containing nothing but "plastic".

Ain't that the truth!

And they haven't rushed back to check the 100-200 add'l targets that Kyle posted about here in March, '08. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 03, 2009, 10:43:20 PM
It and everybody smell to me right now, too.

How did all these people become so intertwined?
No, we don't know for sure that Natalee was indeed in that trap -- but there sure as been a hell of a lot attention by several people for a cage containing nothing but "plastic".

Ain't that the truth!

And they haven't rushed back to check the 100-200 add'l targets that Kyle posted about here in March, '08. 


And they filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy leaving a lot of stockholders with worthless stock.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 03, 2009, 10:43:39 PM
It and everybody smell to me right now, too.

How did all these people become so intertwined?
No, we don't know for sure that Natalee was indeed in that trap -- but there sure as been a hell of a lot attention by several people for a cage containing nothing but "plastic".

Ain't that the truth!

And they haven't rushed back to check the 100-200 add'l targets that Kyle posted about here in March, '08. 
NO, not a peep. (I think the family knows it is futile as well )


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: KYcat on January 03, 2009, 10:51:23 PM
It and everybody smell to me right now, too.

How did all these people become so intertwined?
No, we don't know for sure that Natalee was indeed in that trap -- but there sure as been a hell of a lot attention by several people for a cage containing nothing but "plastic".

Ain't that the truth!

And they haven't rushed back to check the 100-200 add'l targets that Kyle posted about here in March, '08. 
NO, not a peep. (I think the family knows it is futile as well )

And Schaeffer was trying to sell ROV footage to the networks so he could recoup the cost of this trip. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 03, 2009, 10:53:11 PM
OK, try to envision this scenario.  Late late at night aboard a commercial fishing boat, two fishermen/sailors are drinking and playing cards.  A fight breaks out and one stabs the other and puts his remains in a fish trap along with his service cap and shoves the trap overboard.

Maybe there were remains in the trap other than Natalee's or in addition to.  Maybe they were trying to sell the vids and stills for something like a documentary for learning channel or something on how remains, regardless of to whom they belong, are recovered at that depth?  Maybe that's why no one would buy them because the remains were NOT Natalee.

Just thinking outside the box.

The problem is that now we will likely never know for a fact certain what ALE took out of that trap!  All we have is their word for it and we know what that is worth.

Now enter Joran with tales of selling Natalee into sex slavery which is also highly unlikely.  Who would do business with a 17 yo drunk?  But it is yet another place for Natalee to be.

Then the pond.

So we now have at least three places for Natalee to be.  Case closed, mystery solved, she must be in one of those places or another one of them.  Or the latest fable, all of them because Joran dismembered her!

Are they seeing which one is the preferred final resting place?

I'm not so sure I am believing any of them.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: AZLady on January 03, 2009, 10:59:55 PM
Kermit, I would bet that the postoffices are still active.  The Dutch marines stationed on Aruba and on the ships like the Pantera are active in the drug trade.  The marines who have been caught and shipped back to Netherlands were most likely challenging the status quo.  This is all in the media reports from the past few years.  It's their dirty little (not so) secret.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2009, 11:01:00 PM
Anna,

You forgot the cememtary.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 11:03:20 PM
Anna,

You forgot the cememtary.


 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 03, 2009, 11:08:20 PM
It and everybody smell to me right now, too.

How did all these people become so intertwined?
No, we don't know for sure that Natalee was indeed in that trap -- but there sure as been a hell of a lot attention by several people for a cage containing nothing but "plastic".

Ain't that the truth!

And they haven't rushed back to check the 100-200 add'l targets that Kyle posted about here in March, '08. 
NO, not a peep. (I think the family knows it is futile as well )

And Schaeffer was trying to sell ROV footage to the networks so he could recoup the cost of this trip. 

Schaeffer's troubles started before the search, and I've thought that he used the search to save himself more than Natalee.  I could be wrong but that is what I have been thinking for some time.  I guess it's due to my work experience and being privy to what owners do to keep things 'afloat', especially a privately owned business. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 03, 2009, 11:10:53 PM
Anna,

You forgot the cememtary.


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

And see to me the cemetary was one of the most likely spots that Paulus or van der Straaten would have thought to put her IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 03, 2009, 11:11:15 PM
email/ because it is not allowed, I can only tell you what the email states. BUT If I need to PROVE it is legit, I can.

This individual talked to Jug and  asked Jug about Schaeffer...
Jug told this person that "he is the oil guy and that Schaefer was the one that provided the cash to get down there.

I'm not sure if the person said this or assumed this or if Jug said it to the person:

"Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.

Silvetti did a large mapping process while they are looking for Natalee's remain.

Once they were done then "Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc.:

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer according to what this person said that Jug Twitty said to this person.





I don't know about anyone else, but I don't really have a problem with Persistence mapping the ocean floor while they were looking for Natalee.  I just hope that the contents of the cage were not determined to be insignificant so that Persistence could continue to map the ocean floor as a not for profit venture.
The problem is not doing BOTH at the same time -- the problem is maintaining non-profit status. If the true function was to map the ocean floor (with looking for Natalee as secondary) then they probaly cannot claim non-profit status. Now look what MIGHT happen (hypothetically): say they DO find Natalee. If they want to finish their mapping job -- they will lose the non-prfit status. 


.......hypothetically speaking............ might it behoove to arrange that Natalee be found elsewhere than the ocean floor and ruin their mapping job???


Do you see the conflict possibilities?


I don't believe they would lose their non-profit status; they would just be required to pay UBIT (Unrelated business income tax) on the $$ they earned on business type transactions.  However, donations would still have to be used for the non-profit expenses.  When you donate $$ to an organization, you can tell the organization that it is to be used only for a specified purpose, and they are required to restrict those $$ for that purpose.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 03, 2009, 11:13:40 PM
Anna,

You forgot the cememtary.



And under Lorenzo's new driveway but I was trying to keep it simple.

We seem to be being bombarded with possible solutions to what became of Natalee's remains.  Are we supposed to pick one and shut up and go home?

Not going to happen.  I want only the TRUTH.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2009, 11:15:51 PM
Anna,

You forgot the cememtary.


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

And see to me the cemetary was one of the most likely spots that Paulus or van der Straaten would have thought to put her IMO.

It seemed a very likely possibility to me too Klaas.  I spent quite a bit of time on that one.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 03, 2009, 11:16:07 PM
Schaefer was trading on the Nasdaq exchange under the letters DEEP and you can see the drastic reduction in value of the stock during this time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 11:16:39 PM
Anna,

You forgot the cememtary.


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

And see to me the cemetary was one of the most likely spots that Paulus or van der Straaten would have thought to put her IMO.

It's possible Klaas.I just thought the "whispered" comment about forgetting the cemetary was funny.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2009, 11:17:02 PM
Anna,

You forgot the cememtary.



And under Lorenzo's new driveway but I was trying to keep it simple.

We seem to be being bombarded with possible solutions to what became of Natalee's remains.  Are we supposed to pick one and shut up and go home?

Not going to happen.  I want only the TRUTH.


Me too Anna.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 03, 2009, 11:18:18 PM
Anna,

You forgot the cememtary.


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

And see to me the cemetary was one of the most likely spots that Paulus or van der Straaten would have thought to put her IMO.

It seemed a very likely possibility to me too Klaas.  I spent quite a bit of time on that one.   ::MonkeyConfused::


It could have been a temporary place while arrangements were being made.  All that talk of bifrons, etc.  then the vandalization of the cemetery might well have been about something.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 03, 2009, 11:21:14 PM
Going back to watch my Dexter DVD but this sure does seem to be the work of a committee!

What else could screw up something this badly?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 03, 2009, 11:21:36 PM
Keepthefaith - I agree, I'm surprised Anna didn't have that one on her list, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 11:26:05 PM
Keepthefaith - I agree, I'm surprised Anna didn't have that one on her list, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hope this week is ado about something!As you've said many times klaas it is a blessing that it is still in the media's eye close to 4 years later!Beth is quite the woman and God Bless her soul!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 11:29:49 PM
Keepthefaith - I agree, I'm surprised Anna didn't have that one on her list, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hope this week is ado about something!As you've said many times klaas it is a blessing that it is still in the media's eye close to 4 years later!Beth is quite the woman and God Bless her soul!

As well as Dave,Jug,Tim,Red,Klaas,the Mods,Monkey's and anyone else i've forgot.God bless everyone for continued interest and prayers!WE WILL NOT STOP ARUBA.THE TRUTH AND JUSTICE IS ALL THAT MATTERS....... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 03, 2009, 11:32:32 PM
Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that the cage is a drug post office. I mean it is a novel idea, and might work with some cage/trap,at some other location. I don't see how this particular cage could work on any routine basis considering it is visible from the shore. Are these "postal" drops alleged to occur at night? I realize the post office part is speculation I just don't think so.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 11:34:26 PM
Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that the cage is a drug post office. I mean it is a novel idea, and might work with some cage/trap,at some other location. I don't see how this particular cage could work on any routine basis considering it is visible from the shore. Are these "postal" drops alleged to occur at night? I realize the post office part is speculation I just don't think so.

I agree.Can't you just bring them into Aruba on the TATTOO!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 03, 2009, 11:42:32 PM
Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that the cage is a drug post office. I mean it is a novel idea, and might work with some cage/trap,at some other location. I don't see how this particular cage could work on any routine basis considering it is visible from the shore. Are these "postal" drops alleged to occur at night? I realize the post office part is speculation I just don't think so.

I don't buy it eithe, BB.  I think it was a sceneario invented by Caps
and Silvetti and Kyle, to explain the trap and the plastic bags.
That is why Kyle said he saw the Panter there two days in a row.
The are too many other ways to transfer drugs  without having to dive for them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 03, 2009, 11:50:36 PM
Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that the cage is a drug post office. I mean it is a novel idea, and might work with some cage/trap,at some other location. I don't see how this particular cage could work on any routine basis considering it is visible from the shore. Are these "postal" drops alleged to occur at night? I realize the post office part is speculation I just don't think so.

I don't buy it eithe, BB.  I think it was a sceneario invented by Caps
and Silvetti and Kyle, to explain the trap and the plastic bags.
That is why Kyle said he saw the Panter there two days in a row.
The are too many other ways to transfer drugs  without having to dive for them.

Yes I am sure you are right. There is just no way I can see diving at night and trying to haul all those bundles down 90 ft into that trap. Better yet...during the day-with all the tourists on Palm Beach watching. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 11:50:38 PM
Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that the cage is a drug post office. I mean it is a novel idea, and might work with some cage/trap,at some other location. I don't see how this particular cage could work on any routine basis considering it is visible from the shore. Are these "postal" drops alleged to occur at night? I realize the post office part is speculation I just don't think so.

I don't buy it eithe, BB.  I think it was a sceneario invented by Caps
and Silvetti and Kyle, to explain the trap and the plastic bags.
That is why Kyle said he saw the Panter there two days in a row.
The are too many other ways to transfer drugs  without having to dive for them.
[/quote

The whole island is corrupt!Why would you have to put the drugs in the cage in the middle of the ocean?You wouldn't.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 11:51:19 PM
Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that the cage is a drug post office. I mean it is a novel idea, and might work with some cage/trap,at some other location. I don't see how this particular cage could work on any routine basis considering it is visible from the shore. Are these "postal" drops alleged to occur at night? I realize the post office part is speculation I just don't think so.

I don't buy it eithe, BB.  I think it was a sceneario invented by Caps
and Silvetti and Kyle, to explain the trap and the plastic bags.
That is why Kyle said he saw the Panter there two days in a row.
The are too many other ways to transfer drugs  without having to dive for them.


The whole island is corrupt!Why would you have to put the drugs in the cage in the middle of the ocean?You wouldn't.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 12:03:48 AM
REMINDER - PLEASE TRY AND STAY ON TOPIC

I know you guys are being good, just decided I'd post a reminder from time to time here and in the Caylee forum.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 12:29:14 AM
Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that the cage is a drug post office. I mean it is a novel idea, and might work with some cage/trap,at some other location. I don't see how this particular cage could work on any routine basis considering it is visible from the shore. Are these "postal" drops alleged to occur at night? I realize the post office part is speculation I just don't think so.

I don't buy it eithe, BB.  I think it was a sceneario invented by Caps
and Silvetti and Kyle, to explain the trap and the plastic bags.
That is why Kyle said he saw the Panter there two days in a row.
The are too many other ways to transfer drugs  without having to dive for them.

Kyle was curious enough about seeing the ship out there to know how many minutes each day it was out there.  Did he take any pictures of what he saw?  I'm sure you wouldn't have been able to tell a lot about them but it seems like something he would have done since he was watching.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 04, 2009, 12:31:02 AM
Kermit!!!I'm going crazy with the Mansur Family.... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank.
<snip>
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. This is how you launder money basically.

The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

company-ownership or real estate property could well be hidden through the construction of Aruban off-shore limited liability companies offering strong secrecy provisions.
<snip>
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

Paulus “ has worked as an attorney for the Aruban judicial system for court prosecutors. PAULUS then was given a different assignment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm


Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Dave Holloway).
Paulus Van Der Sloot was in the Prosecutors office/ substitute judge, Van Der Straaten is Police Superintendent/Police Commissioner working under Paulus.



Thanx Kermit!How could they not know? ::MonkeyConfused::

Theres a whole lot more, but I would rather wait to divulge that.



I have all the time in the world  ::MonkeyWink::

I just took the time to read the article on the Mansur family (see Kermits link above).  Thought it was interestint also that Eric Mansur's sister-in-law was Jan Van der Straaten's secretary also.

When Kermit says the Interbank is owned by the Mansur family does this include Jossy also.  I know he has other brothers who have lots of problems with convictions and such in the past but is Jossy considered a part owner of the Interbank?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 04, 2009, 12:31:48 AM
REMINDER - PLEASE TRY AND STAY ON TOPIC

I know you guys are being good, just decided I'd post a reminder from time to time here and in the Caylee forum.

 ::MonkeyShocked::   I started to say "What".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 04, 2009, 12:33:07 AM
Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that the cage is a drug post office. I mean it is a novel idea, and might work with some cage/trap,at some other location. I don't see how this particular cage could work on any routine basis considering it is visible from the shore. Are these "postal" drops alleged to occur at night? I realize the post office part is speculation I just don't think so.

I don't buy it eithe, BB.  I think it was a sceneario invented by Caps
and Silvetti and Kyle, to explain the trap and the plastic bags.
That is why Kyle said he saw the Panter there two days in a row.
The are too many other ways to transfer drugs  without having to dive for them.

Kyle was curious enough about seeing the ship out there to know how many minutes each day it was out there.  Did he take any pictures of what he saw?  I'm sure you wouldn't have been able to tell a lot about them but it seems like something he would have done since he was watching.

That was also the days that Paulus and Anita were standing on the shore watching the ship.  Interesting isn't it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 12:38:08 AM
Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that the cage is a drug post office. I mean it is a novel idea, and might work with some cage/trap,at some other location. I don't see how this particular cage could work on any routine basis considering it is visible from the shore. Are these "postal" drops alleged to occur at night? I realize the post office part is speculation I just don't think so.

I don't buy it eithe, BB.  I think it was a sceneario invented by Caps
and Silvetti and Kyle, to explain the trap and the plastic bags.
That is why Kyle said he saw the Panter there two days in a row.
The are too many other ways to transfer drugs  without having to dive for them.

Kyle was curious enough about seeing the ship out there to know how many minutes each day it was out there.  Did he take any pictures of what he saw?  I'm sure you wouldn't have been able to tell a lot about them but it seems like something he would have done since he was watching.

That was also the days that Paulus and Anita were standing on the shore watching the ship.  Interesting isn't it?

Without looking back the date I remember was the 6th of Jan; but there may have been more days.  I remember that because I posted about it on Kyle's blog in the early morning of the 7th.  At first I thought they might have been on the beach when ALE was out there collecting evidence; until I checked the timing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 04, 2009, 12:39:06 AM
I never thought the fish trap was a post office, either.  Who would put drugs in almost a hundred feet of water just off shore?  Isn't speed of the utmost importance in passing them off?  And the cage appears to be covered in growth as though it has been there undisturbed for a long time.

There doesn't seem to be much effort to find drugs in Aruba anyway unless one happend to be affiliated with the wrong political party.

Just seems a sure way to get caught.  Even using the same spot over and over would be a bad idea.

And the drugs would more likely be stolen than intercepted by ALE who don't seem to be very interested in crime of any sort.

BTW, isn't Jossy closer to 70 than 50 yo?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 12:46:52 AM
Crazy questions.....

Is there a Fernando Mansur?
Is he a brother of Eduardo Mansur or a relative?
Mansur's friends with the Dijkhoff?
Deepak friends with Michael Dompig?
Michael Dompig Friends with Fernando?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 12:48:05 AM
Reading the posts that were made around the time that the evidence was collected gives me chill bumps.....

this is one:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6300940444130343140&postID=4708342715333502082

Goodness, Kyle! Those are amazing photographs. I am so proud of all of you! ( Love the Flag photo!)

Seems like the ocean is restless, Kyle. Maybe those oceanic interrorations you are conducting have hit upon a nerve!

Dare to ask the questions, Persistence! Dare to expect answers!


God bless you all and keep you safe! Thank you all for what you are doing. You all give honor to what it means to be an American!

~Pearl~

January 4, 2008 3:50 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: San on January 04, 2009, 12:49:16 AM
Crazy questions.....

Is there a Fernando Mansur?
Is he a brother of Eduardo Mansur or a relative?
Mansur's friends with the Dijkhoff?
Deepak friends with Michael Dompig?
Michael Dompig Friends with Fernando?

The only one I know is that Deepak is friends with Michael Dompig.  From what I remember Dompigs wife is related to the Kalpoes.  His second wife I believe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 04, 2009, 01:39:29 AM
Reading the posts that were made around the time that the evidence was collected gives me chill bumps.....

this is one:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6300940444130343140&postID=4708342715333502082

Goodness, Kyle! Those are amazing photographs. I am so proud of all of you! ( Love the Flag photo!)

Seems like the ocean is restless, Kyle. Maybe those oceanic interrorations you are conducting have hit upon a nerve!

Dare to ask the questions, Persistence! Dare to expect answers!


God bless you all and keep you safe! Thank you all for what you are doing. You all give honor to what it means to be an American!

~Pearl~

January 4, 2008 3:50 PM

Goose Bumps is Right! Very Sad that so Many Had Such High Hopes!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 01:42:34 AM
Crazy questions.....

Is there a Fernando Mansur?
Is he a brother of Eduardo Mansur or a relative?
Mansur's friends with the Dijkhoff?
Deepak friends with Michael Dompig?
Michael Dompig Friends with Fernando?

The only one I know is that Deepak is friends with Michael Dompig.  From what I remember Dompigs wife is related to the Kalpoes.  His second wife I believe.

Tell me the whole island doesn't know.......

Mansur's+Croe's+Oduber's+Solognier's+Arend's+Dompig's+Tromp's+Wever's+Dijkhoff's+Vander straeten's+Van Der Sloot's+Jacob's+Vocking's+Janssen's+Kalpoe's+Vocking's,etc,etc,etc,etc


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 01:44:36 AM
Crazy questions.....

Is there a Fernando Mansur?
Is he a brother of Eduardo Mansur or a relative?
Mansur's friends with the Dijkhoff?
Deepak friends with Michael Dompig?
Michael Dompig Friends with Fernando?

The only one I know is that Deepak is friends with Michael Dompig.  From what I remember Dompigs wife is related to the Kalpoes.  His second wife I believe.

Tell me the whole island doesn't know.......

Mansur's+Croe's+Oduber's+Solognier's+Arend's+Dompig's+Tromp's+Wever's+Dijkhoff's+Vander straeten's+Van Der Sloot's+Jacob's+Vocking's+Janssen's+Kalpoe's+Vocking's,etc,etc,etc,etc

A name i am curious about is John Chemaly.Ring a bell for anyone?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 04, 2009, 01:54:16 AM
billb asked:
en...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7.
Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th

Kyle stated: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days.
I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities. HAHA..

Kyle stated: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.

John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again.[/b] Of course this didn't set well with me. After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn. Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean". Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities".


Panther is the one John mentioned to CAPS


Kermit...thanks for the reply...(ok..it wasn't a direct reply to my post...only a reference.. ::MonkeyCool::
I'm inclined to think there is more to the events surrounding the coast guard ship being over the cage on Jan 11-12, or 12-13 (two different dates by kyle's posts) than what we have been lead to believe happened on 7 Jan..if all cage evidence was swooped up by aruba divers on the 7th.....what's the point of the two day visit by the coast guard?
Who/when did the zip lock bagging happen? The Jan 7th ROV video implies it happened that day or before, and the posts seem to imply aruba divers collected the contents of the cage on Jan 7th.
But maybe the bagging happened in time for the ROV video on the 7th...and the actual collection/recovery of the cage evidence was later when the coast guard was over the site....
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 02:00:06 AM
Crazy questions.....

Is there a Fernando Mansur?
Is he a brother of Eduardo Mansur or a relative?
Mansur's friends with the Dijkhoff?
Deepak friends with Michael Dompig?
Michael Dompig Friends with Fernando?

The only one I know is that Deepak is friends with Michael Dompig.  From what I remember Dompigs wife is related to the Kalpoes.  His second wife I believe.

Tell me the whole island doesn't know.......

Mansur's+Croe's+Oduber's+Solognier's+Arend's+Dompig's+Tromp's+Wever's+Dijkhoff's+Vander straeten's+Van Der Sloot's+Jacob's+Vocking's+Janssen's+Kalpoe's+Vocking's,etc,etc,etc,etc

A name i am curious about is John Chemaly.Ring a bell for anyone?

Why of course!  This is a start, lol.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_contact&catid=12&Itemid=3

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/389/492

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2886.820

http://www.cspnv.com/pages/staffypersonal.htm

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/aga-elects-new-board

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.580

http://www.olympicaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,72/?g2_view=slideshow.Slideshow&g2_itemId=213

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=85353641


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 04, 2009, 02:03:09 AM
Crazy questions.....

Is there a Fernando Mansur?
Is he a brother of Eduardo Mansur or a relative?
Mansur's friends with the Dijkhoff?
Deepak friends with Michael Dompig?
Michael Dompig Friends with Fernando?

The only one I know is that Deepak is friends with Michael Dompig.  From what I remember Dompigs wife is related to the Kalpoes.  His second wife I believe.

Tell me the whole island doesn't know.......

Mansur's+Croe's+Oduber's+Solognier's+Arend's+Dompig's+Tromp's+Wever's+Dijkhoff's+Vander straeten's+Van Der Sloot's+Jacob's+Vocking's+Janssen's+Kalpoe's+Vocking's,etc,etc,etc,etc

A name i am curious about is John Chemaly.Ring a bell for anyone?

On my way to slumberland...it's late here, but yes, he's been a topic for some time.  Aruba Today....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 02:04:33 AM



Goodnight 2NJ_Sons!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 02:05:04 AM
Thanx TM and 2nj..Me too.My head is spinnin again!See you Monkey's in the morning!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 02:06:13 AM



Goodnight 2NJ_Sons!   ::MonkeyCool::

2NJSons_Mom

Sorry.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 02:08:42 AM
Thanx TM and 2nj..Me too.My head is spinnin again!See you Monkey's in the morning!

Goodnight Keepthefaith!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 04, 2009, 02:21:23 AM
I'm still thinking KISS....Something bad happened and Natalee died..she was targeted by urine and the pimp machine (after all-it happened 20 times before without incidence to the pimps) ....either paulass was directly involved or he stepped in to cover for urine...Natalee was most likely moved a couple of times before paulass was able to set up a professional removal of Natalee's remains....which eventually ended up in the cage the persistence discovered. the persistence crew's decision makers decided to try to follow a profit course over returning Natalee's remains (actually-the two could be mutually inclusive  - time will disclose the ultimate outcome).  I'm looking forward to the next weeks events with JQK/Hero B. and/or Greta in aruba........you see....we have all been here before...and let down HARD....but I always view the glass half full...not have empty....Justice for Natalee in 2009....our next best chance.....2008 is behind us.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 04, 2009, 02:30:17 AM
Great Posts Billb....!

Good Night Everyone...My 5 yr old Grandson will be up early and Meemaw has to be ready....lol!

May 2009 Bring Natalee Home!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 02:31:31 AM
I'm still thinking KISS....Something bad happened and Natalee died..she was targeted by urine and the pimp machine (after all-it happened 20 times before without incidence to the pimps) ....either paulass was directly involved or he stepped in to cover for urine...Natalee was most likely moved a couple of times before paulass was able to set up a professional removal of Natalee's remains....which eventually ended up in the cage the persistence discovered. the persistence crew's decision makers decided to try to follow a profit course over returning Natalee's remains (actually-the two could be mutually inclusive  - time will disclose the ultimate outcome).  I'm looking forward to the next weeks events with JQK/Hero B. and/or Greta in aruba........you see....we have all been here before...and let down HARD....but I always view the glass half full...not have empty....Justice for Natalee in 2009....our next best chance.....2008 is behind us.... ::MonkeyCool::

I'm with you billb!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 02:32:19 AM
Great Posts Billb....!

Good Night Everyone...My 5 yr old Grandson will be up early and Meemaw has to be ready....lol!

May 2009 Bring Natalee Home!

Goodnight Hotping!  Sounds like you'll have fun tomorrow!!!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 04, 2009, 02:59:00 AM
billb asked:
en...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7.
Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th

Kyle stated: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days.
I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities. HAHA..

Kyle stated: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.

John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again.[/b] Of course this didn't set well with me. After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn. Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean". Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities".


Panther is the one John mentioned to CAPS


Kermit...thanks for the reply...(ok..it wasn't a direct reply to my post...only a reference.. ::MonkeyCool::
I'm inclined to think there is more to the events surrounding the coast guard ship being over the cage on Jan 11-12, or 12-13 (two different dates by kyle's posts) than what we have been lead to believe happened on 7 Jan..if all cage evidence was swooped up by aruba divers on the 7th.....what's the point of the two day visit by the coast guard?
Who/when did the zip lock bagging happen? The Jan 7th ROV video implies it happened that day or before, and the posts seem to imply aruba divers collected the contents of the cage on Jan 7th.
But maybe the bagging happened in time for the ROV video on the 7th...and the actual collection/recovery of the cage evidence was later when the coast guard was over the site....
 
Point being...the aruba divers/ale didn't collect the contents of the cage....did the coast guard, with a royal Netherlands navy chain of command, collect the contents of the cage?.......
question then..does that bode well in an international court providing Justice for Natalee? If so, is the outcome out of the hands of the pos aruban authorities, and can we expect Justice for Natalee from an international court?   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 04, 2009, 03:06:32 AM
billb asked:
en...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7.
Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th

Kyle stated: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days.
I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities. HA HA..

Kyle stated: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.

John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again.[/b] Of course this didn't set well with me. After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn. Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean". Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities".


Panther is the one John mentioned to CAPS


Kermit...thanks for the reply...(ok..it wasn't a direct reply to my post...only a reference.. ::MonkeyCool::
I'm inclined to think there is more to the events surrounding the coast guard ship being over the cage on Jan 11-12, or 12-13 (two different dates by kyle's posts) than what we have been lead to believe happened on 7 Jan..if all cage evidence was swooped up by Aruba divers on the 7th.....what's the point of the two day visit by the coast guard?
Who/when did the zip lock bagging happen? The Jan 7th ROV video implies it happened that day or before, and the posts seem to imply Aruba divers collected the contents of the cage on Jan 7th.
But maybe the bagging happened in time for the ROV video on the 7th...and the actual collection/recovery of the cage evidence was later when the coast guard was over the site....
 
Point being...the Aruba divers/ale didn't collect the contents of the cage....did the coast guard, with a royal Netherlands navy chain of command, collect the contents of the cage?.......
question then..does that bode well in an international court providing Justice for Natalee? If so, is the outcome out of the hands of the pos Aruban authorities, and can we expect Justice for Natalee from an international court?   
Billb,
My opinion is that it is so in-grained in the local cover-up that it is going to take bringing down about 5-6 of the top officials to make a dent. That is practically impossible.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 04, 2009, 03:26:16 AM
I'm afraid the Royal Dutch Government had nothing to do with the evidence collected.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 04, 2009, 03:31:10 AM
Back in the day, Robots and I had faith in the Dutch government. We thought they had too much "pride" to let Aruba "embarrass" them. I won't fall for that again. Sorry, but Hero Brinkman will accomplish little . - JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 03:34:11 AM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/NataleeSoBeautifl.jpg)

We're not giving up Natalee!  We're going to keep the pressure on until they give you back to your family!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 04, 2009, 08:12:08 AM

And they haven't rushed back to check the 100-200 add'l targets that Kyle posted about here in March, '08. 

^5

Thank you.

If you were Dave or Beth -- and REALLY thought Natalee might still be in one of those 100+ targets -- what would you have done over the past 9 months??

Stay silent?  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Stop trying to raise funds to find your daughter?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Beth and Dave would probably be learning to scuba dive themselves is they REALLY thought that Natalee might be in one of the other 'viable' targets (iirc -- these targets were deemed 'viable' only after ROV dives).

How do we know that no one from Aruba hasn't already 'checked out' the other locations. We NEVER got a straight answer as to where that information was retained. FIrst we were told 'it was safe'...then we were told 'all documentation NH related stripped from the Persistence'. Where is it??

Logic tells me that Beth and Dave do not believe that Natalee is in any of the other 'targets'.

Why not????


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT....IT DOES!!!
Justice for Natalee Holloway


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 04, 2009, 08:14:30 AM
Kermit, I would bet that the postoffices are still active.  The Dutch marines stationed on Aruba and on the ships like the Pantera are active in the drug trade.  The marines who have been caught and shipped back to Netherlands were most likely challenging the status quo.  This is all in the media reports from the past few years.  It's their dirty little (not so) secret.

Good to see you AZLady!!!!

I've been missing you -- was hoping you'd post your 'definitions' again.   ::MonkeyWink::   Certainly could have used them yesterday  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 04, 2009, 08:19:37 AM
It and everybody smell to me right now, too.

How did all these people become so intertwined?
No, we don't know for sure that Natalee was indeed in that trap -- but there sure as been a hell of a lot attention by several people for a cage containing nothing but "plastic".

Ain't that the truth!

And they haven't rushed back to check the 100-200 add'l targets that Kyle posted about here in March, '08. 
NO, not a peep. (I think the family knows it is futile as well )

And Schaeffer was trying to sell ROV footage to the networks so he could recoup the cost of this trip. 

Schaeffer's troubles started before the search, and I've thought that he used the search to save himself more than Natalee.   I could be wrong but that is what I have been thinking for some time.  I guess it's due to my work experience and being privy to what owners do to keep things 'afloat', especially a privately owned business. 

Yes. IMO.

Now........the question I still can't find the answer to.......how did this business deal get brokered?

I think that you, me and klaas are seeing this the same way  ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 04, 2009, 08:23:44 AM
Kermit!!!I'm going crazy with the Mansur Family.... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank.
<snip>
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. This is how you launder money basically.

The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

company-ownership or real estate property could well be hidden through the construction of Aruban off-shore limited liability companies offering strong secrecy provisions.
<snip>
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

Paulus “ has worked as an attorney for the Aruban judicial system for court prosecutors. PAULUS then was given a different assignment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm


Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Dave Holloway).
Paulus Van Der Sloot was in the Prosecutors office/ substitute judge, Van Der Straaten is Police Superintendent/Police Commissioner working under Paulus.



Thanx Kermit!How could they not know? ::MonkeyConfused::

Theres a whole lot more, but I would rather wait to divulge that.



I have all the time in the world  ::MonkeyWink::

I just took the time to read the article on the Mansur family (see Kermits link above).  Thought it was interestint also that Eric Mansur's sister-in-law was Jan Van der Straaten's secretary also.

When Kermit says the Interbank is owned by the Mansur family does this include Jossy also.  I know he has other brothers who have lots of problems with convictions and such in the past but is Jossy considered a part owner of the Interbank?


Aruban Connections
Five members of the Aruban Mansur Family, viz. Mr. Elias F. Mansur, Mrs. Damia M. de Cuba-Mansur, Mr. Luis E. Mansur, Mr. Miguel J. Mansur and Mrs. Sarah E. Arends-Mansur, have raised objections against general references in the following chapter to the Mansurs or the Mansur family. In their opinion these references may be understood as including them and thereby implicating them in alleged wrongdoing they have never committed.
The author is of the opinion that such references to a large family will not be misunderstood as including each and every member of the family. However, in case this opinion should prove incorrect, the author points out that he regrets such misunderstanding and that he did not intend said references to implicate all members of the family.

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank. The bank granted a credit to the Cuntrera company "Investeringen Tweehonderd en Tien" for 1.8 million Aruban guilders (approximately one million dollars). Why the Cuntreras who own several investment companies in Venezuela needed the loan is unknown.

One could speculate, however, this was a 'loan-back' operation to launder money. An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. But there is no proof, no one ever looked really into the relations of the bank with the Sicilian mafiosi. The letter of credit was issued before the mafia connections of the clan became officially known on the island. This did not stop the bank from keeping the Cuntreras as clients. During Operation Wiseguy the undercover DEA agents were asked to wire money for a shipment of hashish on the account of Alfonso Cuntrera at the Interbank.

The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family. If anybody owns 60 per cent of the island, it is this powerful family. The Mansurs made their fortune as cigarette manufacturers and in the import-export business. With a licence of Philip Morris, they are the major suppliers of Marlboros in the Caribbean basin. The Mansurs sponsor the best baseball team – Aruba's national sport – the Marlboro Red Tigers as well as the AVP party of Prime Minister Henny Eman. They own the biggest hotel and time-sharing complex, La Cabana, with its inevitable casino. And they have a couple of import-export businesses in the Free Trade Zone.

Jossy Mansur is the owner and chief editor of the biggest newspaper on the island, "Diario". "When I read an article in Diario, I know what will be the next action of the government,"says Hendrik Croes, adding that the Mansurs create a climate of fear and intimidation on Aruba. Their newspapers force others off the market. Furthermore, "their annual income is bigger than the yearly budget of the government. And you may guess how they make that kind of money”."Jossy Mansur is not impressed claiming that accusing people of drug trafficking and money laundering "has become a political tool to discredit them”." (75) Jossy Mansur acts as the family's mouthpiece, Ruben and the elder Alex are the patriarchs, and Elias 'Don' Mansur is the family's whizz-kid. Elias graduated at Notre Dame University, and was Minister of Economic Affairs in Eman's first cabinet. As representative for the Free Trade Zone entrepreneurs in a mixed Dutch-Aruban commission he has to recommend measures to tighten regulations in the FTZ to prevent money laundering and contraband, together with Dutch government officials. (76)

More and more the name Mansur turns up in money laundering cases. Alex and Eric Mansur were indicted in Puerto Rico in August 1994. (77) President Clinton specifically mentioned the Mansur's when he put Aruba on the list of Major Illicit Drug-transit Countries in December 1996. Although no member of the family was actually indicted in the La Costa case, the name Mansur is frequently is found in the files which were seized at Habibe's home on Aruba.
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 04, 2009, 09:24:17 AM
Awhile back, someone had commented that Jossy never showed the Dompig recording.  Here is a link to the youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSWgZm6ivo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: KYcat on January 04, 2009, 09:38:13 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Blonde I can't believe you posted the "Aruban Connections" snip from that article at the same time I was reading it.  I have been going back and reading some of OE's earlier posts and came across this article.  Read it last night and have been going back over it this morning.  Very long, but very interesting

Just sayin' Great Minds Think Alike    ::MonkeyWink::

Hope you are feeling better.  Don't you hate being sick around the holidays.  Not fair.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 10:50:37 AM
O/T ScaredMonkeys now on Facebook   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Scared-Monkeys/43226152429

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/images/facebook.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 04, 2009, 10:59:24 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::  cool


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 11:22:32 AM
http://www.awe24.com/

Someone took a body from a crypt?   ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/BodyCrypt.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 11:29:30 AM
http://www.awe24.com/

Someone took a body from a crypt?   ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/BodyCrypt.jpg)

Could that be the one I posted about that the police took from the funeral to do another autopsy on?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 04, 2009, 11:29:35 AM
http://www.awe24.com/

Someone took a body from a crypt?   ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/BodyCrypt.jpg)

Wonder where that ideal came from?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 11:32:24 AM
Texasmom - I'm not sure if it's the same one


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 11:37:49 AM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 11:39:54 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg610408#msg610408

This is what I posted a few days ago about the lady whose body was taken from the funeral.  (Or that's what I think it says anyway)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/01032009AweMaintaFP.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/01032009AweMaintaPg3.jpg)

Quote
Article in tomorrow's Awe Mainta.  I'm hoping Cageman or Sandy Leiva (or anyone who can) will tell us more about what it says.  My interpretation is that the 55 year old woman's body was taken back for further review (another autopsy?) by law enforcement from her funeral. 

http://awemainta.com/home/

1/3/2009 Awe Mainta

Papiamentu translation:

entrante today free!!!

curpa during burial confisca everybody owing to stay babuca yesterday tardi, after cu had ceremonia of burial, as the.o. respons in catholic santa ana at north, for after compaña the difunto for his ultimo lugar of rest, for fiscal of ministerio publico owing to let confisca the cadaver.

Papiamentu translation:

first of close kelder yesterday tardi fiscal owing to confisca cadaver of fayecida

everybody owing to stay babuca yesterday tardi, after cu had ceremonia of burial, as the.o. respons in catholic santa ana at north, for after compaña the difunto for his ultimo lugar of rest, for fiscal of ministerio publico owing to let confisca the cadaver. the presentenan not owing to like the form of proceder here mucho y even owing to demanda of wanted see documento pakico ministerio publico wanted confisca cadaver of the madam, beatrix stella rua-correa of 55 year, that owing to fayece day 30 of december ultimo. the presentenan even owing to deal of stroba police of haci his trabao y after of menasa they cu will actua cu hand duro, t’e polisnan self have to owing to carga the box bek p’e car of funeraria. awemainta buscando informacion of vocero of ministerio publico, the unique informacion cu we can owing to achieve is, cu have one investigacion is tumando lugar. y for determina cause exact of dead of the fayecida, sra. beatrix stella rua-correa, have to owing to let confisca the cadaver for after haci one autopsia of acuerdo cu ley.pero for of hendenan cu conoce the fayecida, they're achieve the caso here very odd, because sra. beatrix stella rua-correa have assure more of 7 year bad y at cama. pesey all denuncia cu can have haci for her.o. bisiñanan is completamente false. question is stay, cu after of haci the autopsia, for cual not have day still, will have another ceremonia the.o. respons for bury the difunto?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 11:43:12 AM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

Thanks Klaas and Hotshot.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 04, 2009, 11:44:32 AM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

Still leaves me with more questions than answers.  Not a mention at all of the contents of the cage and what was removed according to the pictures we witnessed.  Not much was added by this statement.  His son was on board the whole time but not a mention or denial of what went on with that cage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 04, 2009, 11:47:03 AM
I do thank Hotsot and Jossy for trying to make a statement concerning these pictures taken from the ROV.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 11:47:21 AM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

Why was he on the ship everyday is my first question?

Still leaves me with more questions than answers.  Not a mention at all of the contents of the cage and what was removed according to the pictures we witnessed.  Not much was added by this statement.  His son was on board the whole time but not a mention or denial of what went on with that cage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 11:49:02 AM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

Still leaves me with more questions than answers.  Not a mention at all of the contents of the cage and what was removed according to the pictures we witnessed.  Not much was added by this statement.  His son was on board the whole time but not a mention or denial of what went on with that cage.
Sorry Blue Moon, posted that last one in the middle of yours I think!   ::MonkeyConfused::

Why was he on the ship everyday is my first question?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: muisje on January 04, 2009, 11:52:16 AM
NEDERLANDS DAGLBLAD (a Ducth newspaper)
 
Brinkman PVV'er from his criticism of Holloway case Published: 03 January 2009 05:00, last updated: 02 January 2009 21:43

by Dick Hofland

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE HAGUE - The Holloway case in terms of PVV MP Hero Brinkman-to carelessly examined. During the visit of a delegation he dives in the case, but he also criticized the new management structure in the Antilles.

MP Hero Brinkman of the PVV appears next week in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case.  During the visit of a parliamentary delegation to the West, he speaks in the Advocate of the missing American teenager, several policemen and some former members of the Public Ministry. ,,Het onderzoek deugt voor geen meter.'' ,, The research is so fucked up.''

What can you do what Peter R. de Vries can not?
,, I wish that the case was a cover it. Because that likely to happen now. De Vries has updated me about everything and I've read about the case, so I am well prepared.  And I agreed that I tell him everything I know to do.''

What do you discover?
,, The Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes has been corrupt, but in this case I think he speaks the truth. Croes has suggested that the father of Joran van der Sloot in Aruba and the police were very good friends. That police chief said that he would have the son of his best friend could not continue. ,, That explains why the investigation only after ten days was set in motion, while four hours after the disappearance of Natalee Joran already clear that there was closely involved.,,

You are also plans for the new governance structure of the West on such matters.  Are not you afraid that you Antilles hence the cabinet hunts.
I say what I think and I see what happens. I'm starting Monday at the table with various people I have accused of corruption. '' I do not know how they will approach me, but I'm still welcome.''

What are you going to blame the West?
There is an agreement that the Netherlands seventy percent of the debt charity, and that control over administration and justice. That seems good, but what does the island of Curacao was the first council done? The private pension supplemented with 1.3 million euros.'' This is an geneerde form of self-enrichment which the dog does not eat bread.''

I foresee that in the West as quickly as possible the money would have to be as fast as possible to them.  The negotiations on the constitutional changes are, unfortunately, wrong place. '' We ought to agree that they may make no new debt.''







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 11:54:36 AM

I'll learn one of these days to have some coffee BEFORE I start posting!  Should have been (every day).



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 04, 2009, 11:56:20 AM
NEDERLANDS DAGLBLAD (a Ducth newspaper)
 
Brinkman PVV'er from his criticism of Holloway case Published: 03 January 2009 05:00, last updated: 02 January 2009 21:43

by Dick Hofland

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE HAGUE - The Holloway case in terms of PVV MP Hero Brinkman-to carelessly examined. During the visit of a delegation he dives in the case, but he also criticized the new management structure in the Antilles.

MP Hero Brinkman of the PVV appears next week in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case.  During the visit of a parliamentary delegation to the West, he speaks in the Advocate of the missing American teenager, several policemen and some former members of the Public Ministry. ,,Het onderzoek deugt voor geen meter.'' ,, The research is so fucked up.''

What can you do what Peter R. de Vries can not?
,, I wish that the case was a cover it. Because that likely to happen now. De Vries has updated me about everything and I've read about the case, so I am well prepared.  And I agreed that I tell him everything I know to do.''

What do you discover?
,, The Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes has been corrupt, but in this case I think he speaks the truth. Croes has suggested that the father of Joran van der Sloot in Aruba and the police were very good friends. That police chief said that he would have the son of his best friend could not continue. ,, That explains why the investigation only after ten days was set in motion, while four hours after the disappearance of Natalee Joran already clear that there was closely involved.,,

You are also plans for the new governance structure of the West on such matters.  Are not you afraid that you Antilles hence the cabinet hunts.
I say what I think and I see what happens. I'm starting Monday at the table with various people I have accused of corruption. '' I do not know how they will approach me, but I'm still welcome.''

What are you going to blame the West?
There is an agreement that the Netherlands seventy percent of the debt charity, and that control over administration and justice. That seems good, but what does the island of Curacao was the first council done? The private pension supplemented with 1.3 million euros.'' This is an geneerde form of self-enrichment which the dog does not eat bread.''

I foresee that in the West as quickly as possible the money would have to be as fast as possible to them.  The negotiations on the constitutional changes are, unfortunately, wrong place. '' We ought to agree that they may make no new debt.''




What would you say Hero's main purpose for being in Aruba?  Is it corruption or Natalee or maybe both?  Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 11:57:41 AM
Texasmom - looks like the same woman


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 11:58:58 AM

And they haven't rushed back to check the 100-200 add'l targets that Kyle posted about here in March, '08. 

^5

Thank you.

If you were Dave or Beth -- and REALLY thought Natalee might still be in one of those 100+ targets -- what would you have done over the past 9 months??

Stay silent?  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Stop trying to raise funds to find your daughter?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Beth and Dave would probably be learning to scuba dive themselves is they REALLY thought that Natalee might be in one of the other 'viable' targets (iirc -- these targets were deemed 'viable' only after ROV dives).

How do we know that no one from Aruba hasn't already 'checked out' the other locations. We NEVER got a straight answer as to where that information was retained. FIrst we were told 'it was safe'...then we were told 'all documentation NH related stripped from the Persistence'. Where is it??

Logic tells me that Beth and Dave do not believe that Natalee is in any of the other 'targets'.

Why not????


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT....IT DOES!!!
Justice for Natalee Holloway

I agree Sharon!  Great post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 12:00:41 PM
Texasmom - looks like the same woman

Thanks Klaas.  I hope it was.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: muisje on January 04, 2009, 12:07:34 PM
I think both!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 04, 2009, 12:09:18 PM
Thank you TM.


Where's Natalee  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thank you for all of the very focusingpictures that you post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 12:19:17 PM
I think both!!

Thanks Muisje


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 12:23:51 PM
Thank you TM.


Where's Natalee  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thank you for all of the very focusingpictures that you post.

You're welcome sharon!

I want to know where she is too, and I want them to give her back!   ::MonkeyWaa::

I appreciate the compliment about the pictures, billb made one also the other night after I signed off and I forgot to acknowledge it!  I just want us all to remember what it's all about, that precious beautiful girl that needs to come home.  She and her family deserve Justice.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 12:37:31 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

Why was he on the ship everyday is my first question?

Still leaves me with more questions than answers.  Not a mention at all of the contents of the cage and what was removed according to the pictures we witnessed.  Not much was added by this statement.  His son was on board the whole time but not a mention or denial of what went on with that cage.

That would be my first question as well!What was Eduardo accomplishing by being on the Persisitence when they hadn't found anything?I may understand after they located and were going to dive on something but to be there on a daily basis? ::MonkeyConfused:: Who does he work for ALE?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Hotshot on January 04, 2009, 12:45:25 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

Why was he on the ship everyday is my first question?

Still leaves me with more questions than answers.  Not a mention at all of the contents of the cage and what was removed according to the pictures we witnessed.  Not much was added by this statement.  His son was on board the whole time but not a mention or denial of what went on with that cage.

That would be my first question as well!What was Eduardo accomplishing by being on the Persisitence when they hadn't found anything?I may understand after they located and were going to dive on something but to be there on a daily basis? ::MonkeyConfused:: Who does he work for ALE?
Phew, got in.....  I dont know who he works for.  But am going to find out....   Does anyone here have a proxy program that hides your IP?  I am having alot of problems here.  I tried turning it off, and then it wont even let me pull up IE.  I did this so popups wont bother me, and I am sorry I did.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 12:50:18 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

Why was he on the ship everyday is my first question?

Still leaves me with more questions than answers.  Not a mention at all of the contents of the cage and what was removed according to the pictures we witnessed.  Not much was added by this statement.  His son was on board the whole time but not a mention or denial of what went on with that cage.

That would be my first question as well!What was Eduardo accomplishing by being on the Persisitence when they hadn't found anything?I may understand after they located and were going to dive on something but to be there on a daily basis? ::MonkeyConfused:: Who does he work for ALE?
Phew, got in.....  I dont know who he works for.  But am going to find out....   Does anyone here have a proxy program that hides your IP?  I am having alot of problems here.  I tried turning it off, and then it wont even let me pull up IE.  I did this so popups wont bother me, and I am sorry I did.

Thanks Hotshot, please let us know what you find out.
Also, I have had some problems over the last few days and others have commented that they have also.  Getting locked out, or having trouble posting.  I haven't experienced it today yet. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 12:54:18 PM
Who is Fernando Mansur?Where is he in the Mansur Family tree?What does he do for a living?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 04, 2009, 12:58:37 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

Why was he on the ship everyday is my first question?

Still leaves me with more questions than answers.  Not a mention at all of the contents of the cage and what was removed according to the pictures we witnessed.  Not much was added by this statement.  His son was on board the whole time but not a mention or denial of what went on with that cage.

That would be my first question as well!What was Eduardo accomplishing by being on the Persisitence when they hadn't found anything?I may understand after they located and were going to dive on something but to be there on a daily basis? ::MonkeyConfused:: Who does he work for ALE?
Phew, got in.....  I dont know who he works for.  But am going to find out....   Does anyone here have a proxy program that hides your IP?  I am having alot of problems here.  I tried turning it off, and then it wont even let me pull up IE.  I did this so popups wont bother me, and I am sorry I did.

Thanks hotshot.  I thought Eduardo was co-founder of the dive team and the dive team did the recovering of the cage's contents.  Is Eduardo not Jossy's son? Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 04, 2009, 01:00:52 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

Why was he on the ship everyday is my first question?

Still leaves me with more questions than answers.  Not a mention at all of the contents of the cage and what was removed according to the pictures we witnessed.  Not much was added by this statement.  His son was on board the whole time but not a mention or denial of what went on with that cage.

That would be my first question as well!What was Eduardo accomplishing by being on the Persisitence when they hadn't found anything?I may understand after they located and were going to dive on something but to be there on a daily basis? ::MonkeyConfused:: Who does he work for ALE?
Phew, got in.....  I dont know who he works for.  But am going to find out....   Does anyone here have a proxy program that hides your IP?  I am having alot of problems here.  I tried turning it off, and then it wont even let me pull up IE.  I did this so popups wont bother me, and I am sorry I did.

Thanks hotshot.  I thought Eduardo was co-founder of the dive team and the dive team did the recovering of the cage's contents.  Is Eduardo not Jossy's son? Thanks.

correction "no" to "not"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Hotshot on January 04, 2009, 01:08:25 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

Why was he on the ship everyday is my first question?

Still leaves me with more questions than answers.  Not a mention at all of the contents of the cage and what was removed according to the pictures we witnessed.  Not much was added by this statement.  His son was on board the whole time but not a mention or denial of what went on with that cage.

That would be my first question as well!What was Eduardo accomplishing by being on the Persisitence when they hadn't found anything?I may understand after they located and were going to dive on something but to be there on a daily basis? ::MonkeyConfused:: Who does he work for ALE?
Phew, got in.....  I dont know who he works for.  But am going to find out....   Does anyone here have a proxy program that hides your IP?  I am having alot of problems here.  I tried turning it off, and then it wont even let me pull up IE.  I did this so popups wont bother me, and I am sorry I did.

Thanks hotshot.  I thought Eduardo was co-founder of the dive team and the dive team did the recovering of the cage's contents.  Is Eduardo no Jossy's son? Thanks.
I thought he was also co founder, he is his son!....I am checking that out.  As far as Fernando goes, I will also ask after I get this first answer, I don't want to push it too far right now.  I have just uninstalled proxyway, dont anyone get it.  bad, bad, bad.  Had to do several things to get back online.. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 01:13:08 PM
Who is Fernando Mansur?Where is he in the Mansur Family tree?What does he do for a living?

I don't know a lot about Fernando Mansur.  Designer?  Here's some of what I found on google search.

(Couture cocktail) article

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter51.html
snip
When designer Percy Irausquin arrived for summer vacation on his native island, Aruba, curiosity was expressed over the type of haute couture he concocts, working on his masters degree at a Dutch fashion university. All questions are now answered having attended Couture Cocktail at the home of insurance man Fernando Mansur, Friday night.
snip

http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/almost-250000-collected-for-aruba-help-tsunami-victims/
snip
Bohemian life style guru Fernando Mansur helped orchestrate the auction.

http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/2008/05/31/aruba-meets-europe-2008-at-cas-di-cultura/
snip
Local designer Fernando Mansur waved his magic wand over the happenings at Cas Di Cultura, lending the evening a special creative touch.

http://www.intcongrp.com/international_associates.html

Aruba Seguros Mansur N.V.
 Paardenbaaistraat 12   
 P.O. Box No. 211   
 Oranjestad, Aruba   
 Netherlands Antilles

John Mansur, President 011-297-8-23094 

Fernando Mansur, Vice President 011-297-8-32950(F)






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 01:19:38 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

Why was he on the ship everyday is my first question?

Still leaves me with more questions than answers.  Not a mention at all of the contents of the cage and what was removed according to the pictures we witnessed.  Not much was added by this statement.  His son was on board the whole time but not a mention or denial of what went on with that cage.

That would be my first question as well!What was Eduardo accomplishing by being on the Persisitence when they hadn't found anything?I may understand after they located and were going to dive on something but to be there on a daily basis? ::MonkeyConfused:: Who does he work for ALE?
Phew, got in.....  I dont know who he works for.  But am going to find out....   Does anyone here have a proxy program that hides your IP?  I am having alot of problems here.  I tried turning it off, and then it wont even let me pull up IE.  I did this so popups wont bother me, and I am sorry I did.

Thanks hotshot.  I thought Eduardo was co-founder of the dive team and the dive team did the recovering of the cage's contents.  Is Eduardo no Jossy's son? Thanks.

Eduardo is connected to Aruba Search and Rescue from what I understand.  However, I don't believe that Aruba Search and Rescue was necessarily the "team" that retrieved the contents of the trap.  When checking into where the ALE divers come from, I have heard from Dive Aruba; but haven't been able to prove that one way or the other.  I'm sure there are hundreds of qualified divers in many different companies on Aruba and IMO it's likely that they come from many of them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 04, 2009, 01:26:19 PM
Brinkman wants movement against corruption on Antilles

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article1937217.ece/Brinkman_wil_beweging_tegen_corruptie_op_Antillen.html

http://www.gelderlander.nl/algemeen/dgbinnenland/4290084/Brinkman-werkt-aan-anticorruptiebeweging-Antillen.ece


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 01:29:16 PM
Brinkman wants movement against corruption on Antilles

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article1937217.ece/Brinkman_wil_beweging_tegen_corruptie_op_Antillen.html

http://www.gelderlander.nl/algemeen/dgbinnenland/4290084/Brinkman-werkt-aan-anticorruptiebeweging-Antillen.ece

Thanx caesu!The key word is movement.Can we get any is the question.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 04, 2009, 01:29:50 PM
Brinkman wants movement against corruption on Antilles

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article1937217.ece/Brinkman_wil_beweging_tegen_corruptie_op_Antillen.html

http://www.gelderlander.nl/algemeen/dgbinnenland/4290084/Brinkman-werkt-aan-anticorruptiebeweging-Antillen.ece

Good luck with that. Anyone in the Antilles feel the same way and support him?  Especially Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 01:35:24 PM
Thanx TM for the Fernando info. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 01:41:22 PM
Thanx TM for the Fernando info. ::MonkeyDance::

You're welcome KTF; lots more out there just do a google search.  One thing that caught my eye, he has a "freight forwarder" from Miami...it was mentioned in a post where he was purchasing a dvd.  I'm probably just too suspicious!

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 04, 2009, 01:46:59 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Blonde I can't believe you posted the "Aruban Connections" snip from that article at the same time I was reading it.  I have been going back and reading some of OE's earlier posts and came across this article.  Read it last night and have been going back over it this morning.  Very long, but very interesting

Just sayin' Great Minds Think Alike    ::MonkeyWink::

Hope you are feeling better.  Don't you hate being sick around the holidays.  Not fair.
Thanks for asking, but I just can't tell if I'm better or not.
I'm going back to the Dr's on Tuesday.
I feel like someone is sitting om my chest.
   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 04, 2009, 01:49:03 PM
Texasmom,

Quote
Eduardo is connected to Aruba Search and Rescue from what I understand.  However, I don't believe that Aruba Search and Rescue was necessarily the "team" that retrieved the contents of the trap.  When checking into where the ALE divers come from, I have heard from Dive Aruba; but haven't been able to prove that one way or the other.  I'm sure there are hundreds of qualified divers in many different companies on Aruba and IMO it's likely that they come from many of them.


This makes sense...'logic' tells me so. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 04, 2009, 01:49:20 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy
I think it's our internet here it stinks I have been having trouble too .
I did just get an email from her, a nice one thanks Kath


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 01:49:20 PM
Thanx TM for the Fernando info. ::MonkeyDance::

You're welcome KTF; lots more out there just do a google search.  One thing that caught my eye, he has a "freight forwarder" from Miami...it was mentioned in a post where he was purchasing a dvd.  I'm probably just too suspicious!

 ::MonkeyWink::

I'm suspicious of everyone from that island till they give us a reason otherwise.I'm just delving into how all these family run together.Again i say.The whole island has to know!I've seen that Fernando and chemaly went to France for a wedding if i'm not mistaken.Interesting stuff!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 01:50:18 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Blonde I can't believe you posted the "Aruban Connections" snip from that article at the same time I was reading it.  I have been going back and reading some of OE's earlier posts and came across this article.  Read it last night and have been going back over it this morning.  Very long, but very interesting

Just sayin' Great Minds Think Alike    ::MonkeyWink::

Hope you are feeling better.  Don't you hate being sick around the holidays.  Not fair.
Thanks for asking, but I just can't tell if I'm better or not.
I'm going back to the Dr's on Tuesday.
I feel like someone is sitting om my chest.
   ::MonkeyWaa::

Sounds possibly like pneumonia!  Take care of yourself!  Hope you're better soon.   :smt056


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 04, 2009, 02:00:16 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

Why was he on the ship everyday is my first question?

Still leaves me with more questions than answers.  Not a mention at all of the contents of the cage and what was removed according to the pictures we witnessed.  Not much was added by this statement.  His son was on board the whole time but not a mention or denial of what went on with that cage.

That would be my first question as well!What was Eduardo accomplishing by being on the Persisitence when they hadn't found anything?I may understand after they located and were going to dive on something but to be there on a daily basis? ::MonkeyConfused:: Who does he work for ALE?
Phew, got in.....  I dont know who he works for.  But am going to find out....   Does anyone here have a proxy program that hides your IP?  I am having alot of problems here.  I tried turning it off, and then it wont even let me pull up IE.  I did this so popups wont bother me, and I am sorry I did.

Thanks hotshot.  I thought Eduardo was co-founder of the dive team and the dive team did the recovering of the cage's contents.  Is Eduardo not Jossy's son? Thanks.
lOOKS LIKE IT TO ME
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/EdwardoCompare.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 02:25:39 PM
Brinkman wants movement against corruption on Antilles

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article1937217.ece/Brinkman_wil_beweging_tegen_corruptie_op_Antillen.html

http://www.gelderlander.nl/algemeen/dgbinnenland/4290084/Brinkman-werkt-aan-anticorruptiebeweging-Antillen.ece

Thank you caesu!      ::MonkeyCool::

Google translation of first article:
Brinkman would move against corruption in Antilles
 
(Reuters) - Hero Brinkman (PVV) wants a Antilleans borne movement to set up the corruption in politics on the islands to address. That, he said Sunday morning local time in Curacao, where he and a delegation of the Upper House and Lower House to visit.

The motion should not substitute the Brinkman PVV be. "I want a movement that all Antilleans, from communist to liberal support. Once the underclass becomes aware of how much damage corruption inflicts them will cause a huge shock", explains his statements to Brinkman. Poverty, crime and the poor state of education and healthcare in the West, according to Brinkman examples of the result of corruption.

For the establishment of the movement wants Brinkman next summer conference. He has people in the eye that can play a role. "Ninety percent of politicians in the Antilles in the West would be seen as tainted. We are dealing here with a mafia society. Fortunately, there are good and brave enough Antilleans their head above the crowd dared to stabbing."

Self-PVV wants the House no role in the movement. "It has to be something of Antilleans itself, I want everything just aanslingeren. I would not just stairs, I would also come up with solutions."

Brinkman has already been a similar debate with criticism of the Antilles. Earlier he called the islands' corrupt crooks nest 'and he suggested they continue to buy on the Internet. This was earlier this year, a consultation on the new structure is abandoned.

Brinkman and other MPs in the West for the Semi-Annual Parliamentary Discussion Kingdom. On the agenda of the consultations that will take until Friday is more affected by the credit crisis on the economies of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.



 
Google translation of second article:

Brinkman is working on anti-corruption movement Antilles Sunday 04 January 2009 | 18:03 | Last updated: Sunday 04 January 2009 | 18:15

WILLEM CITY (ANP) - Hero Brinkman wants from the Antillean community move up the corruption in the political fights of the islands. The PVV-Lower House said Sunday morning (local time) on Curaçao.

Brinkman with a delegation of MPs for a second series of working in Curaçao. Monday begins the Parliamentary Discussion on Aruba Kingdom (POK).

Brinkman was exactly one year ago in the Antilles in the center of attention by his statements about the Antilles and Aruba as, corrupt criminals''nests. The POK meeting because when those statements were not.

Brinkman has said since then, thousands of emails had''Antilleans and Arubans on the islands of the Netherlands. From their midst, the Chamber collected a group of people, who are critical about the current corrupt politicians in power''.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: always 1 on January 04, 2009, 02:27:01 PM
Blonde see musings please.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: blah on January 04, 2009, 03:14:53 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

Why was he on the ship everyday is my first question?

Still leaves me with more questions than answers.  Not a mention at all of the contents of the cage and what was removed according to the pictures we witnessed.  Not much was added by this statement.  His son was on board the whole time but not a mention or denial of what went on with that cage.

That would be my first question as well!What was Eduardo accomplishing by being on the Persisitence when they hadn't found anything?I may understand after they located and were going to dive on something but to be there on a daily basis? ::MonkeyConfused:: Who does he work for ALE?
Phew, got in.....  I dont know who he works for.  But am going to find out....   Does anyone here have a proxy program that hides your IP?  I am having alot of problems here.  I tried turning it off, and then it wont even let me pull up IE.  I did this so popups wont bother me, and I am sorry I did.

do a google search for "free proxy ip"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 03:18:36 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

I just heard that it has been broadcast on an Aruban radio station that an American tourist was slashed (with a blade) in the face last night on one of the party buses.  She survived, and the perp has been caught.

Also many reports of other criminal activities in the hot zone (where the clubs are).  Fights, tire slashings, other vandalism, robberies, etc.

The broadcast came from here:

http://www.promoaruba.aw/

I will be watching the papers, and post about the American tourist if someone else doesn't beat me to it.  This is terrible!

Aruba is NOT a safe place to be and definitely not a safe place to vacation, what will it take to prove it to people!?

I scan the papers all the time, and it's incredible how much crime there is!  And from what I hear besides what I see, it's a dangerous place to be.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 03:22:45 PM



Thanks for the information Caps.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on January 04, 2009, 04:08:05 PM



Thanks for the information Caps.   ::MonkeyCool::

Oh no!

Thanks for the information Texasmom and CAPS!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: KYcat on January 04, 2009, 04:20:58 PM
Hi All

Has anyone heard of the arrest happening in Aruba yet?  Caps said it would be a major player and it would happen this week?

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
Hi All

Has anyone heard of the arrest happening in Aruba yet?  Caps said it would be a major player and it would happen this week?

 ::MonkeyCool::

We shall see!One would think,if it's a Major player,they'd be aware of the impending arrest?

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 04:32:30 PM
I have not heard anything about any arrests yet; I'm trying to be patient...but it's hard.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
TONIGHT ON DANA PRETZER:
www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 04:35:45 PM
Hi All

Has anyone heard of the arrest happening in Aruba yet?  Caps said it would be a major player and it would happen this week?

 ::MonkeyCool::

We shall see!One would think,if it's a Major player,they'd be aware of the impending arrest?

 ::MonkeyDance::

Who do i think will get arrested that will make any difference?NOBODY.I keepthefaith but until then i remain quite scepticle1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 04:37:13 PM
Hi All

Has anyone heard of the arrest happening in Aruba yet?  Caps said it would be a major player and it would happen this week?

 ::MonkeyCool::

We shall see!One would think,if it's a Major player,they'd be aware of the impending arrest?

 ::MonkeyDance::

Who do i think will get arrested that will make any difference?NOBODY.I keepthefaith but until then i remain quite skepticle!

Edit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 04, 2009, 04:40:10 PM
Blonde see musings please.
I was there I didn't see anything .
give me a link the meds are making me dizzy ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: always 1 on January 04, 2009, 04:50:50 PM
Blonde see musings please.
I was there I didn't see anything .
give me a link the meds are making me dizzy ::MonkeyConfused::

monkey lounge -avators.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 04, 2009, 05:03:19 PM
Things seem to be pretty quiet in here at the moment.

I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Year.

I've been reading........

........could someone pass that Tylenol or Advil, whatever it was? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 05:11:30 PM
Things seem to be pretty quiet in here at the moment.

I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Year.

I've been reading........

........could someone pass that Tylenol or Advil, whatever it was? 


I think San has the bottle, she passed some out the other night!

::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 04, 2009, 05:15:03 PM
Kermit ~ If you can answer...

What is your purpose for exposing this "stuff" here on SM?

Is it to distance the FPs from the Persistance Crew and any possible obstruction charges? (I believe I saw this intimated from several posts.)

Is it bring this to light and possibly get something done?

In other words, what exatly should we be doing with this information?

Also, please stay safe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 04, 2009, 05:17:40 PM
Things seem to be pretty quiet in here at the moment.

I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Year.

I've been reading........

........could someone pass that Tylenol or Advil, whatever it was? 


I think San has the bottle, she passed some out the other night!

::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks TM. I think that's the bottle I saw.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was out of town for over a week and have been catching up over the weekend.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 05:25:10 PM
Things seem to be pretty quiet in here at the moment.

I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Year.

I've been reading........

........could someone pass that Tylenol or Advil, whatever it was? 


I think San has the bottle, she passed some out the other night!

::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks TM. I think that's the bottle I saw.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was out of town for over a week and have been catching up over the weekend.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Oh my....you better take a double dose when you get your hands on those meds!   ::MonkeyShocked::

If you don't cuss or made a New Year's resolution to stop, you might just want to start here and not worry about catching up.
 ::MonkeyWink::

Kermit encouraged us to put pressure on Aruba/the Hague by sending the information we've been given (Pictures, Kyle's statements) to the FBI, and the State Department (my thought...along with our insistence that they do something!)  The contact information has been posted a couple of times.  If you need help with that, we'll post it again.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 05:32:35 PM
memphis, I was just kidding about maybe not reading everything; you probably should do that so you won't miss any important information.  But I feel for you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2009, 06:14:24 PM
email/ because it is not allowed, I can only tell you what the email states. BUT If I need to PROVE it is legit, I can.

This individual talked to Jug and  asked Jug about Schaeffer...
Jug told this person that "he is the oil guy and that Schaefer was the one that provided the cash to get down there.

I'm not sure if the person said this or assumed this or if Jug said it to the person:

"Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.

Silvetti did a large mapping process while they are looking for Natalee's remain.

Once they were done then "Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc.:

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer according to what this person said that Jug Twitty said to this person.





I don't know about anyone else, but I don't really have a problem with Persistence mapping the ocean floor while they were looking for Natalee.  I just hope that the contents of the cage were not determined to be insignificant so that Persistence could continue to map the ocean floor as a not for profit venture.

I have a big problem with it.

Those who donated to the Persistence undertaking may also have a problems with it.

I was under the impression that the Persistence undertaking was an effort organized specifically to search for Natalee Holloways remains.  I ... for one ... expected John Silvetti to do more than just discover something significant to the Natalee Holloway case and ... then step back and ... let the enemy take control ... the enemy who has had a coverup agenda since the getgo ... a coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for an eighteen year old American citizen ... a coverup agenda that has put a family through a H--- on Earth.

Janet

_____


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.


BROTHER OF BETH HOLLOWAY - SCARED MONKEYS FORUM

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2009, 06:19:55 PM

And they haven't rushed back to check the 100-200 add'l targets that Kyle posted about here in March, '08. 

^5

Thank you.

If you were Dave or Beth -- and REALLY thought Natalee might still be in one of those 100+ targets -- what would you have done over the past 9 months??

Stay silent?  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Stop trying to raise funds to find your daughter?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Beth and Dave would probably be learning to scuba dive themselves is they REALLY thought that Natalee might be in one of the other 'viable' targets (iirc -- these targets were deemed 'viable' only after ROV dives).

How do we know that no one from Aruba hasn't already 'checked out' the other locations. We NEVER got a straight answer as to where that information was retained. FIrst we were told 'it was safe'...then we were told 'all documentation NH related stripped from the Persistence'. Where is it??

Logic tells me that Beth and Dave do not believe that Natalee is in any of the other 'targets'.

Why not????


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT....IT DOES!!!
Justice for Natalee Holloway

Logic dictates ...

 ::MonkeyDance::

Hi  haron.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 06:27:13 PM
Noraina Pietersz.Related to the new PG?Anyone..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2009, 06:29:15 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

I expect a more indepth answer than that from Jossy Mansur considering his son held a position on board the Persistence.  Kyle did not dive either and ... he has spilled his guts.

I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the contents of that cage/trap.  I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti/Aruban connection.

Janet
_______

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 06:32:47 PM
Janet,
You had a request for shoofly pie from Kermit in your absence.  I tried to fill but I'm sure my attempts were feeble and inadequate.  I cannot hold a candle to your feeding the frog.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?  Missed ya!

 ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 04, 2009, 06:36:46 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

I expect a more indepth answer than that from Jossy Mansur considering his son held a position on board the Persistence.  Kyle did not dive either and ... he has spilled his guts.

I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the contents of that cage/trap.  I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti/Aruban connection.

Janet
_______

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Jossy's son was on board the ship everyday yet Tim Miller was booted off the ship because he was a liability. WHY?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: San on January 04, 2009, 06:43:42 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

I expect a more indepth answer than that from Jossy Mansur considering his son held a position on board the Persistence.  Kyle did not dive either and ... he has spilled his guts.

I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the contents of that cage/trap.  I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti/Aruban connection.

Janet
_______

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Jossy's son was on board the ship everyday yet Tim Miller was booted off the ship because he was a liability. WHY?

Because Tim could not keep the lie.  He would have told the truth of what he saw.  In fact didn't he say it sure looks like a skull to me.  The man knows what he is looking at so he is a liability.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2009, 06:50:51 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

I expect a more indepth answer than that from Jossy Mansur considering his son held a position on board the Persistence.  Kyle did not dive either and ... he has spilled his guts.

I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the contents of that cage/trap.  I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti/Aruban connection.

Janet
_______

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Jossy's son was on board the ship everyday yet Tim Miller was booted off the ship because he was a liability. WHY?

When I consider the Jossy, Eduardo, Silvetti and Caps connection and ... then I consider the pond witness ...

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Hotshot cannot have it both ways.  Considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... either she uholds Kyle as being the messenger of the truth regarding the Persistence deception or ... she considers Kyle the Grandfather of all liars.

Janet


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: "The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 06:52:51 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

I expect a more indepth answer than that from Jossy Mansur considering his son held a position on board the Persistence.  Kyle did not dive either and ... he has spilled his guts.

I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the contents of that cage/trap.  I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti/Aruban connection.

Janet
_______

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Jossy's son was on board the ship everyday yet Tim Miller was booted off the ship because he was a liability. WHY?

Because Tim could not keep the lie.  He would have told the truth of what he saw.  In fact didn't he say it sure looks like a skull to me.  The man knows what he is looking at so he is a liability.

 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 07:00:16 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

I expect a more indepth answer than that from Jossy Mansur considering his son held a position on board the Persistence.  Kyle did not dive either and ... he has spilled his guts.

I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the contents of that cage/trap.  I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti/Aruban connection.

Janet
_______

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Jossy's son was on board the ship everyday yet Tim Miller was booted off the ship because he was a liability. WHY?

When I consider the Jossy, Eduardo, Silvetti and Caps connection and ... then I consider the pond witness ...

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Hotshot cannot have it both ways.  Considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... either she uholds Kyle as being the messenger of the truth regarding the Persistence deception or ... she considers Kyle the Grandfather of all liars.

Janet


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: "The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

We do have to consider Eduardo has been there from the beginning has he not?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2009, 07:02:38 PM
Janet,
You had a request for shoofly pie from Kermit in your absence.  I tried to fill but I'm sure my attempts were feeble and inadequate.  I cannot hold a candle to your feeding the frog.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?  Missed ya!

 ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nobody can may shoofly shoo pie for like Tamikosmom can.  I think it much be the touch of another critter mixed in well ... another critter I will not disclose.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::.

The world outside the computer beckons sometimes.  The family is attempting to subtlety break my addiction to the Natalee Holloway case but ... I see right through it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 04, 2009, 07:06:22 PM
OT/  I see typos, Janet.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe I shouldn't have said that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2009, 07:11:54 PM
OT/  I see typos, Janet.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Rub it in.  Tamikosmom's 9034 posts do not rate the edit option.

  ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 07:13:14 PM
Janet,
You had a request for shoofly pie from Kermit in your absence.  I tried to fill but I'm sure my attempts were feeble and inadequate.  I cannot hold a candle to your feeding the frog.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?  Missed ya!

 ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nobody can may shoofly shoo pie for like Tamikosmom can.  I think it much be the touch of another critter mixed in well ... another critter I will not disclose.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::.

The world outside the computer beckons sometimes.  The family is attempting to subtlety break my addiction to the Natalee Holloway case but ... I see right through it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


I know what you mean Janet, my family is not as subtle some times; but they know not to go to far with it...if they still want to be taken care of in the way they are accustomed to.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2009, 07:17:03 PM
OT/  I see typos, Janet.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe I shouldn't have said that.

I don't mind as long as I when when I look at my post again ... all the typos have been fixed.

I think that is your job 2NJSons_Mom.  Klaas ... do I have that right?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 04, 2009, 07:50:09 PM
BBWwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaa.....I was looking really fast to correct them and I didn't see any at all, LMAO!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2009, 07:59:25 PM
BBWwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaa.....I was looking really fast to correct them and I didn't see any at all, LMAO!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nut ... have you been assigned to be my own personal mod in regardings to correcting all my typos.

That's very nice.

However ... I think it is Klaas' name in red at the top of the page that keeps me from saying what I real want to say in regards to this topic.  I know the big red button is always just one post away.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2009, 08:05:33 PM
Good Night ... Keepthefaith, ospainter, johan555, texasmom, klaasend, BoxerDawg, Debbie, Blonde and 13 Guests viewing this.

Yahtzee with two other couples is where it is at in another couple of hours.  I will put on a pot of Tim Horton's coffee and ... take leftover Christmas goodies from the freezer.  I do not think green tea will suffice.

Janet
5:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 08:10:50 PM
Good Night ... Keepthefaith, ospainter, johan555, texasmom, klaasend, BoxerDawg, Debbie, Blonde and 13 Guests viewing this.

Yahtzee with two other couples is where it is at in another couple of hours.  I will put on a pot of Tim Horton's coffee and ... take leftover Christmas goodies from the freezer.  I do not think green tea will suffice.

Janet
5:00 PM PT


Goodnight Janet..Arrest this week!We shall see.Yaaahhhtzzzeeeee.... ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2009, 08:11:41 PM
Good Night ... Keepthefaith, ospainter, johan555, texasmom, klaasend, BoxerDawg, Debbie, Blonde and 13 Guests viewing this.

Yahtzee with two other couples is where it is at in another couple of hours.  I will put on a pot of Tim Horton's coffee and ... take leftover Christmas goodies from the freezer.  I do not think green tea will suffice.

Janet
5:00 PM PT


Goodnight Janet..Arrest this week!We shall see.Yaaahhhtzzzeeeee.... ::cartwheel::

Edit from arrest's to arrest of a MAJOR player..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
Good Night ... Keepthefaith, ospainter, johan555, texasmom, klaasend, BoxerDawg, Debbie, Blonde and 13 Guests viewing this.

Yahtzee with two other couples is where it is at in another couple of hours.  I will put on a pot of Tim Horton's coffee and ... take leftover Christmas goodies from the freezer.  I do not think green tea will suffice.

Janet
5:00 PM PT


Nite Janet

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 08:37:23 PM
Janet - maybe you'ld like to play a little Scrabble?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 04, 2009, 08:55:04 PM
Kermit ~ If you can answer...

What is your purpose for exposing this "stuff" here on SM?

Is it to distance the FPs from the Persistance Crew and any possible obstruction charges? (I believe I saw this intimated from several posts.)

Is it bring this to light and possibly get something done?

In other words, what exatly should we be doing with this information?

Also, please stay safe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 04, 2009, 09:10:08 PM
texasmom[/b ~ Thanx! I've read everything since Dec 19th.  ::MonkeyConfused::   I think.

I feel uneasy about contacting any authorities. Is nothing being done? Has any of the family requested us to do so?
I read that Beth gave Kermit the go-ahead for posting it, but otherwise, the silence from the family's corner is deafening. If it's a concerted effort and they need us, I'm willing, but it only seems to be coming from the FreeBirds at this point.

I feel like I am gropping in the dark.

The evidence presented is compelling, but I still feel very uncertain.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 04, 2009, 09:22:58 PM
Hi, Memphis.  Happy New Year!

I've read your posts and I'm sure Kermit has seen them and will reply.  Kermit hasn't failed to reply to anyone's questions from what I have seen. 

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 10:19:22 PM
texasmom[/b ~ Thanx! I've read everything since Dec 19th.  ::MonkeyConfused::   I think.

I feel uneasy about contacting any authorities. Is nothing being done? Has any of the family requested us to do so?
I read that Beth gave Kermit the go-ahead for posting it, but otherwise, the silence from the family's corner is deafening. If it's a concerted effort and they need us, I'm willing, but it only seems to be coming from the FreeBirds at this point.

I feel like I am gropping in the dark.

The evidence presented is compelling, but I still feel very uncertain.

memphis, you only need to do what you are comfortable doing.  I didn't mean to ask you to do something that you are not certain about.  I realized after I made my post to you that I forgot something!  Happy New Year!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 04, 2009, 10:23:29 PM
I think I am calling it a night.  For 2 weeks I have spent my time here until at least midnight every night and it is going to be very HARD going back to work tomorrow.

Let's hope we start seeing some things happening this week.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2009, 10:27:10 PM
he was at the landfill.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2009, 10:28:24 PM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

I expect a more indepth answer than that from Jossy Mansur considering his son held a position on board the Persistence.  Kyle did not dive either and ... he has spilled his guts.

I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the contents of that cage/trap.  I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti/Aruban connection.

Janet
_______

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Jossy's son was on board the ship everyday yet Tim Miller was booted off the ship because he was a liability. WHY?

When I consider the Jossy, Eduardo, Silvetti and Caps connection and ... then I consider the pond witness ...

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Hotshot cannot have it both ways.  Considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... either she uholds Kyle as being the messenger of the truth regarding the Persistence deception or ... she considers Kyle the Grandfather of all liars.

Janet


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: "The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

We do have to consider Eduardo has been there from the beginning has he not?

He was at the landfill ..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 10:32:19 PM
I think I am calling it a night.  For 2 weeks I have spent my time here until at least midnight every night and it is going to be very HARD going back to work tomorrow.

Let's hope we start seeing some things happening this week.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Nite Blue Moon


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 04, 2009, 10:39:44 PM
Things seem to be pretty quiet in here at the moment.

I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Year.

I've been reading........

........could someone pass that Tylenol or Advil, whatever it was? 

Hello, Memphis.  Sorry I missed you.  Happy New Year to you!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 04, 2009, 10:43:48 PM
Wow!! Now here is something I think most of us will agree on! I was reading at RU...renho is coming out of her hole today and whining about the "laundry incident" again!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Someone had posted this at RU. It amazes me how right on Jug was about these characters...especially Van der straaten...this show was done over a year ago!!

Quote
Jug Twitty Gives his Thoughts and Opinions on the Main Characters in the Natalee Holloway Case
 
The following is a partial transcript from last nights Dana Pretzer interview with George “Jug” Twitty on Scared Monkeys radio. The full transcript can be read here or listen to the podcast … Jug Twitty, in his own words on his thoughts, perceptions and opinions regarding the investigation into the disappearance of his step-daughter, Natalee Holloway. Trust us, he did not beat around the bush. We thank him for that.



Jug Twitty provides his opinion of some of the players who have been involved in the Natalee Holloway investigation. In an investigation with so many twists, turns and flat out lies, we thank Jug Twitty for his honesty and candor during last nights interview.

Dana: “Jossy Mansur”

Jug: “He’s a man of his word. I’ve been to his house, met his wife, his sons went to same military school, I trust him.”

Dana: “Julia Renfro”

Jug : “She has her own agenda and her whole deal she ran us around, she has some kind of connection to Paul.

Dana: “Paul Van der Sloot”

Jug: “is a coward, I’m a father I’m a very good father, this man is not and I see his face at night he’s evil.”

Dana: “Dennis Jacobs”

Jug: “A puppet, he’s dirty I could tell the first day the man’s string pulled by somebody”

Dana: “Gerald Dompig”

Jug: “Dompig, I never sat down with him face to face.”

Dana: “Oduber, the Prime Minister”

Jug: “Oduber, very wishy washy. Sat with Beth and I we had dinner with wife and him and gave him confidential information that he was flabbergasted about but he did nothing, He really has no power down there really.


Dana: “One thing that maybe you’d like to say that we’ve never heard, seen or read about?”

Jug:  “I will say I think van der Stratten is someone connected and he’s the reason they didn’t solve the case. I sat in private meetings after I read some reports , I asked him some things about the colour of her underwear … he denied it and so I knew he was covering it up because I read it in some statements. I knew then I told Beth this isn’t good, he’s bad, he’s dirty. This case should have been solved. A lot of people know but they’re too afraid to come out because  

Dana:  All the investigators, van Zandt and other, it’s such a simple case that should have been dealt with easily.

Dana: A New York lawyer, Tacopina that’s on the cable news channels on a nightly basis, representing himself as Joran’s lawyer, but from Aruba they say he’s not his attorney. What do you think about him?

Jug: “Typical NY lawyer, the people in America recognize the same thing, he’s just a real smart-alec, he wants his name out there.”



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 04, 2009, 10:48:44 PM
Wow!! Now here is something I think most of us will agree on! I was reading at RU...renho is coming out of her hole today and whining about the "laundry incident" again!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Someone had posted this at RU. It amazes me how right on Jug was about these characters...especially Van der straaten...this show was done over a year ago!!

Quote
Jug Twitty Gives his Thoughts and Opinions on the Main Characters in the Natalee Holloway Case
 
The following is a partial transcript from last nights Dana Pretzer interview with George “Jug” Twitty on Scared Monkeys radio. The full transcript can be read here or listen to the podcast … Jug Twitty, in his own words on his thoughts, perceptions and opinions regarding the investigation into the disappearance of his step-daughter, Natalee Holloway. Trust us, he did not beat around the bush. We thank him for that.



Jug Twitty provides his opinion of some of the players who have been involved in the Natalee Holloway investigation. In an investigation with so many twists, turns and flat out lies, we thank Jug Twitty for his honesty and candor during last nights interview.

Dana: “Jossy Mansur”

Jug: “He’s a man of his word. I’ve been to his house, met his wife, his sons went to same military school, I trust him.”

Dana: “Julia Renfro”

Jug : “She has her own agenda and her whole deal she ran us around, she has some kind of connection to Paul.

Dana: “Paul Van der Sloot”

Jug: “is a coward, I’m a father I’m a very good father, this man is not and I see his face at night he’s evil.”

Dana: “Dennis Jacobs”

Jug: “A puppet, he’s dirty I could tell the first day the man’s string pulled by somebody”

Dana: “Gerald Dompig”

Jug: “Dompig, I never sat down with him face to face.”

Dana: “Oduber, the Prime Minister”

Jug: “Oduber, very wishy washy. Sat with Beth and I we had dinner with wife and him and gave him confidential information that he was flabbergasted about but he did nothing, He really has no power down there really.


Dana: “One thing that maybe you’d like to say that we’ve never heard, seen or read about?”

Jug:  “I will say I think van der Stratten is someone connected and he’s the reason they didn’t solve the case. I sat in private meetings after I read some reports , I asked him some things about the colour of her underwear … he denied it and so I knew he was covering it up because I read it in some statements. I knew then I told Beth this isn’t good, he’s bad, he’s dirty. This case should have been solved. A lot of people know but they’re too afraid to come out because  

Dana:  All the investigators, van Zandt and other, it’s such a simple case that should have been dealt with easily.

Dana: A New York lawyer, Tacopina that’s on the cable news channels on a nightly basis, representing himself as Joran’s lawyer, but from Aruba they say he’s not his attorney. What do you think about him?

Jug: “Typical NY lawyer, the people in America recognize the same thing, he’s just a real smart-alec, he wants his name out there.”



Thanks for the translation.  Jug is a straight shooter and seems to have pegged these people from the start.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 04, 2009, 10:51:56 PM
I mean thanks for bringing that over.  I hope something positive does happen this week with Brinkman.  Van Der Straatne needs to be investigated.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 10:53:23 PM
LDSTLOU - this is true, Jug sure had Renfro pegged from the start


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 04, 2009, 10:55:39 PM
LDSTLOU - this is true, Jug sure had Renfro pegged from the start

yep, I don't think I ever picked up on his comment on renho during the interview. He sure had van der straaten pegged right too didn't he! Say a prayer something big happens this week!!
As for paulus...he nailed that one too...pure evil!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 04, 2009, 10:56:44 PM
I mean thanks for bringing that over.  I hope something positive does happen this week with Brinkman.  Van Der Straatne needs to be investigated.

me too!! Saying a prayer and keeping my fingers crossed!!!

nite all...little Monkey goes back to school tomorrow so back to getting up early.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 04, 2009, 10:58:04 PM
I mean thanks for bringing that over.  I hope something positive does happen this week with Brinkman.  Van Der Straatne needs to be investigated.

me too!! Saying a prayer and keeping my fingers crossed!!!

nite all...little Monkey goes back to school tomorrow so back to getting up early.

Good night, ldstlou.  I'm not far behind you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 10:59:48 PM
LDSTLOU - this is true, Jug sure had Renfro pegged from the start

yep, I don't think I ever picked up on his comment on renho during the interview. He sure had van der straaten pegged right too didn't he! Say a prayer something big happens this week!!
As for paulus...he nailed that one too...pure evil!

Yep Renfro and Straaten!  I hope something happens this week, I really do.  This family really deserves justice. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 04, 2009, 11:01:18 PM
texasmom ~ Thanx! I've read everything since Dec 19th.  ::MonkeyConfused::   I think.

I feel uneasy about contacting any authorities. Is nothing being done? Has any of the family requested us to do so?
I read that Beth gave Kermit the go-ahead for posting it, but otherwise, the silence from the family's corner is deafening. If it's a concerted effort and they need us, I'm willing, but it only seems to be coming from the FreeBirds at this point.

I feel like I am gropping in the dark.

The evidence presented is compelling, but I still feel very uncertain.

memphis, you only need to do what you are comfortable doing.  I didn't mean to ask you to do something that you are not certain about.  I realized after I made my post to you that I forgot something!  Happy New Year!

texasmom ~ You're fine. I was just voicing my feelings from pages and pages of reading.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 04, 2009, 11:01:51 PM
Lisa,
I'm glad you are still here. I know where your heart is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 04, 2009, 11:03:45 PM
Things seem to be pretty quiet in here at the moment.

I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Year.

I've been reading........

........could someone pass that Tylenol or Advil, whatever it was? 

Hello, Memphis.  Sorry I missed you.  Happy New Year to you!!

Hi truthseeker2. Hope you are doing well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 04, 2009, 11:08:56 PM
Hi klaas! Happy New Year! You've been a very hard working monkey.

BTW, it's really me. I haven't shared my nic with anyone.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 11:13:52 PM
Hi klaas! Happy New Year! You've been a very hard working monkey.

BTW, it's really me. I haven't shared my nic with anyone.  ::MonkeyWink::

How funny, why would you say that?  It's good to see you!  Happy New Year to you too!  Yes been busy in the forum  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 04, 2009, 11:21:43 PM
Hi Monks! I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic about this week! RED says the "stars are aligning"!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2009, 11:24:27 PM
Hi Monks! I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic about this week! RED says the "stars are aligning"!  ::MonkeyDance::

Hi wreck!  Me too!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 04, 2009, 11:31:26 PM
Hi Monks! I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic about this week! RED says the "stars are aligning"!  ::MonkeyDance::
Hi Wreck....I have High Hopes!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 04, 2009, 11:42:55 PM
Hi klaas! Happy New Year! You've been a very hard working monkey.

BTW, it's really me. I haven't shared my nic with anyone.  ::MonkeyWink::

How funny, why would you say that?  It's good to see you!  Happy New Year to you too!  Yes been busy in the forum  ::MonkeyConfused::

While I was trying to get up to speed yesterday, I noticed your responses to a particular poster seemed uncharacteristically harsh. I was shocked, but then realized that you suspected it was someone else.

I'm not being ugly, and I don't know anything - I just tend to be perceptive. I'm sure you seen lots of crap over the years.   :D


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 04, 2009, 11:47:07 PM
Hi klaas! Happy New Year! You've been a very hard working monkey.

BTW, it's really me. I haven't shared my nic with anyone.  ::MonkeyWink::

How funny, why would you say that?  It's good to see you!  Happy New Year to you too!  Yes been busy in the forum  ::MonkeyConfused::

While I was trying to get up to speed yesterday, I noticed your responses to a particular poster seemed uncharacteristically harsh. I was shocked, but then realized that you suspected it was someone else.

I'm not being ugly, and I don't know anything - I just tend to be perceptive. I'm sure you seen lots of crap over the years.   :D
Just sticking up for Klaas -- yes, there have been some questionable posts/posters lately. She is doing a remarkable job!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 11:50:06 PM
Hi klaas! Happy New Year! You've been a very hard working monkey.

BTW, it's really me. I haven't shared my nic with anyone.  ::MonkeyWink::

How funny, why would you say that?  It's good to see you!  Happy New Year to you too!  Yes been busy in the forum  ::MonkeyConfused::

While I was trying to get up to speed yesterday, I noticed your responses to a particular poster seemed uncharacteristically harsh. I was shocked, but then realized that you suspected it was someone else.

I'm not being ugly, and I don't know anything - I just tend to be perceptive. I'm sure you seen lots of crap over the years.   :D

Memphis - sorry, it's been extreemly busy and we have had some problems.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2009, 11:50:47 PM
Wreck - thanks...sometimes it's not easy being me, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: San on January 04, 2009, 11:51:26 PM
Hi klaas! Happy New Year! You've been a very hard working monkey.

BTW, it's really me. I haven't shared my nic with anyone.  ::MonkeyWink::

How funny, why would you say that?  It's good to see you!  Happy New Year to you too!  Yes been busy in the forum  ::MonkeyConfused::

While I was trying to get up to speed yesterday, I noticed your responses to a particular poster seemed uncharacteristically harsh. I was shocked, but then realized that you suspected it was someone else.

I'm not being ugly, and I don't know anything - I just tend to be perceptive. I'm sure you seen lots of crap over the years.   :D

Hi Memphis good to see you.

The past two weeks have been crazy on the board.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 04, 2009, 11:57:13 PM
Hi wreck! How r u? I wasn't criticizing Klaas.

Klaas, no need to apologize. Once I caught on, I realized there must have been lots of stuff going on. I really should have kept my mouth shut - just didn't want you to think.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 05, 2009, 12:01:46 AM
Hi San!

I've paid close attention to your posts, along with many others.

There's been much to digest. How heartbreaking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on January 05, 2009, 12:02:54 AM
texasmom ~ Thanx! I've read everything since Dec 19th.  ::MonkeyConfused::   I think.

I feel uneasy about contacting any authorities. Is nothing being done? Has any of the family requested us to do so?
I read that Beth gave Kermit the go-ahead for posting it, but otherwise, the silence from the family's corner is deafening. If it's a concerted effort and they need us, I'm willing, but it only seems to be coming from the FreeBirds at this point.

I feel like I am gropping in the dark.

The evidence presented is compelling, but I still feel very uncertain.

I haven't seen anything new on the Freebird site since September 2008.  Do they have another site?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 05, 2009, 12:03:11 AM
Hi wreck! How r u? I wasn't criticizing Klaas.

Klaas, no need to apologize. Once I caught on, I realized there must have been lots of stuff going on. I really should have kept my mouth shut - just didn't want you to think.... ::MonkeyWink::
No probs, Memphis! Things have been kind of "touchy" here lately.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: San on January 05, 2009, 12:05:03 AM
Hi San!

I've paid close attention to your posts, along with many others.

There's been much to digest. How heartbreaking.

True memphis.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 05, 2009, 12:08:29 AM
One thing that is difficult for me is that there are many posters that I have come to respect their posts and opinions. Now, several of the posters are on different sides of this issue. For example, I have often looked for and read vms's posts. She has always been factual and careful. She hasn't posted for quite a while. It bothers me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on January 05, 2009, 12:11:34 AM
Looks like I missed a good Dana show tonight :( 

I'll have to do the podcast...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 12:13:27 AM
One thing that is difficult for me is that there are many posters that I have come to respect their posts and opinions. Now, several of the posters are on different sides of this issue. For example, I have often looked for and read vms's posts. She has always been factual and careful. She hasn't posted for quite a while. It bothers me.

Yes I've always liked VMS's posts too. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: San on January 05, 2009, 12:15:30 AM
One thing that is difficult for me is that there are many posters that I have come to respect their posts and opinions. Now, several of the posters are on different sides of this issue. For example, I have often looked for and read vms's posts. She has always been factual and careful. She hasn't posted for quite a while. It bothers me.

I have always found VMS' posts insightful.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 12:15:53 AM
Looks like I missed a good Dana show tonight :( 

I'll have to do the podcast...

Yes it was a great show!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 12:25:02 AM
Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy

I expect a more indepth answer than that from Jossy Mansur considering his son held a position on board the Persistence.  Kyle did not dive either and ... he has spilled his guts.

I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the contents of that cage/trap.  I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti/Aruban connection.

Janet
_______

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Jossy's son was on board the ship everyday yet Tim Miller was booted off the ship because he was a liability. WHY?

When I consider the Jossy, Eduardo, Silvetti and Caps connection and ... then I consider the pond witness ...

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Hotshot cannot have it both ways.  Considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... either she uholds Kyle as being the messenger of the truth regarding the Persistence deception or ... she considers Kyle the Grandfather of all liars.

Janet


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: "The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

We do have to consider Eduardo has been there from the beginning has he not?

He was at the landfill ..

From the Landfill to the Persistence!From the beginning to the end?Should we be concerned with Eduardo?Time will tell..

HAVE HOPE....SEEK TRUTH....GOD WILL MAKE A PATH...KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 12:53:23 AM
I'll have to catch the podcast too, had too much going on around here!   ::MonkeyRoll::

Sheltie bath night for one!

Did they discuss Natalee's case?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 12:56:09 AM
I'll have to catch the podcast too, had too much going on around here!   ::MonkeyRoll::

Sheltie bath night for one!

Did they discuss Natalee's case?

Not really mostly the Caylee Anthony case and other cases and subjects but it was a very interresting show:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Pretzer010408.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 01:01:14 AM


Thanks Klaas!  I'll still listen.  I'm very interested in Caylee's case too!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 01:04:11 AM
One thing that is difficult for me is that there are many posters that I have come to respect their posts and opinions. Now, several of the posters are on different sides of this issue. For example, I have often looked for and read vms's posts. She has always been factual and careful. She hasn't posted for quite a while. It bothers me.

Yes I've always liked VMS's posts too. 

Me too! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 05, 2009, 01:19:06 AM
Well I miss VMS Too....I also miss Lala's....I hope that they will return soon and that They had a Merry Christmas and Will Have A Happy New Year!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 01:51:35 AM
http://ndp.sr/CFT-20080822.htm

Google translation:

Clean Files Tribunal
MEP MAFFIOOS GOVERNMENT
Parts of the Aruban Government MEP behave as maffioso against unscrupulous persons who are politically onwelgevallig have become. Shining example of this is the businessman and campaign leader once the current MEP Minister of Tourism and Transport Ing. E. Briessen, Mr Michael Williams. Williams pays for terminating support for the political party MEP, a devastating and unprecedented high price.
Michael Williams was forced this week forced to legal action. The lawyer of the hard-hit Williams, Mr. Gabri the Hoogd, complained to the Aruban Court a petition for a preliminary hearing, the Minister for Health, Environment, Administrative and Foreign Affairs Mr. CASD Weaver and his colleague of Justice, H.R. Croes, Aruba representing the country, called for questioning. Other dignitaries to an interview subject will be his Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and the Inspector of Police, so as to help the Prosecutor, C. Hodge.
The background to this into a drama grew out multiple conflicts, are among other underlies the fact that Mr. Williams refused any longer to take part in the MEP of nepotism and political patronage, and successive conflicts in the business sphere in particular to Minister Wever said. A minister in public insults to the address of Mr Williams expressed to the insulting on September 11, 2003 in association with his bodyguard at the airport of Aruba physical and cowardly attack from behind, is a regime unworthy person. Minister Weaver was convicted for this offense to a fine of five hundred Aruban Florin.
Extremely painful is that Rymer Williams, a cousin of Michael Williams, at the airport employed by General Air Services Inc.. Because of the fact that he shot his uncle to help, it was fired. Since that date there is, the MEP Government maffiose an extensive vendetta against the family Williams unleashed.
Whether or not corrupt acts of the MEP Government which allegedly bribes amounting to 1 million AFL would receive the internationally known jeweler H. Namdar as goodwill to facilitate to set up shopping malls in Aruba, represented a new source of extensive criminal misery. Mr. Williams was the agent of that Namdar and knew of their written proposal on July 26, 2004 by Minister Namdar to Marisol Tromp was over. On March 26, 2007 would Namdar and Aruba Ports Authorithy behalf Country Aruba a lucrative Memory of Understanding signed. Almost simultaneously, the letter of Namdar, which includes the offer of bribes in the newspaper Diario published. As a result of this publication was not the deal and ordered a judicial inquiry into possible bribery. This flaw was given the tense relations between Williams and the Aruban government MEP, directly attributed to the former.
The revenge exercises direction Williams were complete. Disproportionate raids in the homes of Michael Williams with brute force major damage was done to the property of the family, formed a new low in the vendetta. But the absolute highlight of this maffiose design, the arrest and detention of the two minor sons of Mr. Williams. Christopher and Nigel. Their only sin was in February 2006 to express sympathy at the death of an underage boy at San Nicolas Lighting during the parade in the context of the Carnival was shot. According to the Aruban police was a statement in the course of two rival youth gangs. The shocked sons of Mr. Williams was wholly innocent, the body of the dead - they knew him superficially - and in the morgue of the hospital had been revealed, the last tribute. The sons of Williams were allegedly on the instigation of the Minister of Justice, HR Croes, one of the alleged parties are linked, so the father further damage. The detention of these young men in the prime of their lives and in August this year in the United States would begin a study lasts to this day on.
Within the framework of the full running maffiose vendetta against Michael Williams, two youngsters who are now no offense to their credit have stigmatized and criminalized irreparable. That this whole, we think also on the affair Nathalie Holloway and doubtful debts of the Aruban government, the positive image of Aruba, the "One Happy Island" serious harm, is beyond doubt.  
On the Island Aruba MEP under this Government, the rights of man and citizen is no longer safe, orderly freedom of expression and having the inalienable right to own thinking seriously at stake.  For this reason, Clean Files Tribunal all relevant international press and media houses, politicians and all organizations involved in combating this kind of criminal abuse of this information.
Ceuta, August 22, 2008
Clean Files Tribunal
For this,
Roy R. de Miranda
(Secretary General)
Dutch  > English  swapTranslate   
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 02:28:52 AM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/Julia5-1.jpg)

12/17/2008 Senor Frogs
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/12172008Frog02.jpg)

I don't know her name, but I'm pretty sure this is about Jason Margarita, and his girlfriend having a dispute.  I think she did something to his camera, and he must have done something to her air conditioners? (airco).  He may have done something in the car too, I don't understand it all.  But apparently it was a pretty good brawl!

1/5/2009 Awe Mainta pg 27

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/01052009AweMaintaPg27.jpg)

police is close muher sober cu owing to cause destruccion at property of his amigo asistencia of police owing to wordo ask diadomingo morning for 6.10 at one cas in nayostraat, ponton, where have one action among pareha cu was bayendo for of hand. n’e sitio police is come across tanto cu he j.m. naci at corsow of 27 year because; the muher j.o. naci at aruba of 20 year. j.m. is tell police cu the muher j.o is enough sober y fastioso y past owing to hibe at his cas at paradijs. but j.o.no owing to stay at his cas y owing to go back come his cas. by of esey owing to start one pleitamento y he j.m. was push j.o. sake pafo of cas. the muher owing to angry y owing to destrui one camara of 4000 guilder of j.m. also past owing to ranca two airco throw bao at floor. hour cu j.m. owing to succeed place pafo, past owing to descend his angry on the car of j.m. past owing to rasca the car cu one obheto skerpi y owing to dal’e door of the car cu scop. police owing to see cu j.o. was enough sober y also aggressive. police owing to detene y owing to hibe keep, where past owing to achieve one cuarto free. first cu police owing to ser’e, past owing to tell police cu is all hour he is maltrate. police owing to bis’e cu the can bay give complaint, hour cu his curpa fix, but first the have to busca carta of doctor.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 02:48:30 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

I just heard that it has been broadcast on an Aruban radio station that an American tourist was slashed (with a blade) in the face last night on one of the party buses
He survived, and the perp has been caught.

snip
The broadcast came from here:

http://www.promoaruba.aw/
 ::MonkeyNoNo::
snip


http://www.awe24.com/

POLIS A BAY ATENDE CASO DI HINKAMENTO Y CORTAMENTO CU CUCHIU NA TUMAZU

NA YEGADA DI POLIS UN SOSPECHOSO A SALI NA CAREDA Y POLIS A CORE BAY SU TRAS Y A LOGRA DETENE NA SIVIDIVI

Papiamentu translation:

police owing to bay atende caso of hinkamento y cortamento cu cuchiu at tumazu at arrival of police one sospechoso owing to leave at careda y police owing to core bay his slow y owing to succeed detene at sividivi come across

(http://www.awe24.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JAN_2009/3_jan_hinkamento_tumazu__3___Small_.JPG)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 02:50:51 AM
Note:  I did change my original post about the injured tourist from a "she" to a "he", guess that was lost in translation!  I thought when I changed it I'd done the strikethrough to show the correction but I'm tired so I don't know what I did.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 03:21:28 AM
Awe Mainta article about the American tourist that was injured.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

1/5/2009 Awe Mainta pg 28

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/01052008AweMaintaPg28-1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

Turista herida cu boter den bus

Polis ta bay cu urgencia diasabra 10.30 di anochi, den de la Sallestraat, na altura di
un nightclub, Tumazu, unda un turista a wordo herida den un bus di paranda. Na yegada polis ta topa cu e homber F.J.G.naci na Estados Unidos di 56 aña, kende tabatin su cara na sanger y un corta.  Testigo den e bus a bisa polis cu un homber color scur y bisti
cu flanel, a dal un turista cu boter den su cara. E testigo a bisa polis cu e homber a cana
bay direccion di rotonde di de la Sallestraat, y despues a bay direccion pazuid, esta direccion di Sividivi.  Mesora polis a bay den e direccion y ta topa cu e homber A.J.M. naci na Aruba di 23 aña ta cana hunto cu un muher Mericano.  Polis a pone drumi riba vloer y
a listr’e na su curpa, y despues a detene. Den prome instante a ser bisa, cu el a corta e turista cu cuchiu cu polis no a haya na su curpa. Nan a ser’e pa buracheria, como cu e tabata basta bao di influencia di alcohol, y despues lo sigui cu e investigacion di maltrato aki. Sigur A.J.M. no ta un bon embahador pa Aruba, pero mas bien un mal propaganda.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 03:28:31 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/CarpePicNatalee1.png)

            JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 03:31:23 AM


My prayer is that this week will bring us closer to bringing Natalee home and finding Justice for her and her family.  

::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 03:32:05 AM



Goodnight 9 guests! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 05, 2009, 07:58:57 AM
Lisa,
I'm glad you are still here. I know where your heart is.

Thanks Wreck.  :smt058


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 05, 2009, 08:06:22 AM
One thing that is difficult for me is that there are many posters that I have come to respect their posts and opinions. Now, several of the posters are on different sides of this issue. For example, I have often looked for and read vms's posts. She has always been factual and careful. She hasn't posted for quite a while. It bothers me.

Yes I've always liked VMS's posts too. 
Yes always been factual, and she always has pictures VMS where are you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: MumInOhio on January 05, 2009, 08:16:11 AM
Good Morning...

Can any of our Dutch friends possibly find any more on this from June 2005, please. It appears it took place sometime over the weekend of June 24th to June 26th.

Thanks In Advance...

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/06/30/seizes.shtml
Dutch navy seizes 1,800 kilos of cocaine in the Caribbean

Thursday, June 30, 2005

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AFP): The Dutch navy has seized 1,800 kilos of cocaine with an estimated street value of 54 million dollars this weekend in the Caribbean, ANP news agency reported Wednesday.

The news was not announced over the weekend so as not to endanger ongoing investigations, a navy spokeswoman told ANP.

The 80 bales of cocaine were found in a special secret compartment on board the ship D'Mary sailing under the flag of the African island state of Sao Tome and Principe.

The seizure was done together with the American authorities. The drugs and eight crew members of the boat have been turned over to the US authorities, ANP said.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: MumInOhio on January 05, 2009, 08:22:12 AM
Glad to hear I wasn't the only one having problems logging in yesterday. I was using my own IP, whichever it may have been yesterday...LOL...and after signing in both yesterday morning and last night in the Shango thread, was directed to a picture of the Panter. I had to go back and re-enter my password and then I was logged in! IIRC this was on the last page that I was reading the night before? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on January 05, 2009, 09:07:26 AM
Well I miss VMS Too....I also miss Lala's....I hope that they will return soon and that They had a Merry Christmas and Will Have A Happy New Year!


Just wanted to add a little "Me Too" to this.

There are many posters/points of view I miss reading these days.  Regardless of where they are posting now, I'm certain they are still Standing with the Girl.

Maybe if we do get some movement on the case, everyone will come home to SM to discuss it.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 05, 2009, 09:33:12 AM
Well I miss VMS Too....I also miss Lala's....I hope that they will return soon and that They had a Merry Christmas and Will Have A Happy New Year!


Just wanted to add a little "Me Too" to this.

There are many posters/points of view I miss reading these days.  Regardless of where they are posting now, I'm certain they are still Standing with the Girl.

Maybe if we do get some movement on the case, everyone will come home to SM to discuss it.




Not sure where VMSis, but I know Lalas is on a 30 day "timeout". I am not sure why.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 09:36:00 AM
Good Morning...

Can any of our Dutch friends possibly find any more on this from June 2005, please. It appears it took place sometime over the weekend of June 24th to June 26th.

Thanks In Advance...

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/06/30/seizes.shtml
Dutch navy seizes 1,800 kilos of cocaine in the Caribbean

Thursday, June 30, 2005

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AFP): The Dutch navy has seized 1,800 kilos of cocaine with an estimated street value of 54 million dollars this weekend in the Caribbean, ANP news agency reported Wednesday.

The news was not announced over the weekend so as not to endanger ongoing investigations, a navy spokeswoman told ANP.

The 80 bales of cocaine were found in a special secret compartment on board the ship D'Mary sailing under the flag of the African island state of Sao Tome and Principe.

The seizure was done together with the American authorities. The drugs and eight crew members of the boat have been turned over to the US authorities, ANP said.



big catch in Caribbean

The Navy last weekend, the 1800 kilograms of cocaine intercepted. This happened between Aruba and the coast of Central America. The drugs Saturday hidden in a ship that enter under the flag of Sao Tome and Principe, an island group off the coast of Africa.

The catch was made by the Dutch Navy with the assistance of the international drug control organization CTG 4.4, which among other things, the United States and France are active.

Maarten Hilbrandie spokesman of the Ministry of Defense refers to a great catch. In recent years, cocaine, especially in increasingly smaller quantities by speedboat brought ashore. The street value of the seized cocaine is in the tens of millions of euros.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 09:42:05 AM
Mon 05 Jan 2009, 15:33

(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:BJPFjGM3CUaqbM:http://spitsnet.nl/uploaded/IMAGES/_Nieuws/Politiek%2520NL/hero_brinkman.jpg)


ORANGE CITY - The Aruban hotel industry is concerned about the presence of MP Hero Brinkman for the Parliamentary Discussion Kingdom (POK) on the island this week. This is Rob Smith of hotel organization in a statement Ahata know. "Be careful with the publication of his words."
The Aruban delegation Ady has Thijsen advance to the POK know Brinkman of insults to the Aruban people "not to pick up." "Also, we will abuse the right to freedom of expression is not accepted in Aruba when he says something negative outcome in our tourism sector."

Brinkman (PVV) wants to Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case further. He believes that the affair has been studied carelessness. Aruban media reported Monday the arrival of Beth Holloway and journalist Greta Van Susteren of the American Foxnews channel. Together they would be a media offensive against Aruba plan. They can not accept the approach of the case on the missing American girl.

In Aruba, the POK began Monday with a visit to the Governor of Aruba, Fredis Refunjol. Fourteen Dutch parliamentarians led by MP Willibrord van Beek and eleven Antillian parliamentarians led by Pedro Atacho this week visited the Aruban parliament. Talks about the political change in the Kingdom and the impact of the credit crisis on the economies of the Netherlands, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on January 05, 2009, 09:54:52 AM
Mon 05 Jan 2009, 15:33

(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:BJPFjGM3CUaqbM:http://spitsnet.nl/uploaded/IMAGES/_Nieuws/Politiek%2520NL/hero_brinkman.jpg)


ORANGE CITY - The Aruban hotel industry is concerned about the presence of MP Hero Brinkman for the Parliamentary Discussion Kingdom (POK) on the island this week. This is Rob Smith of hotel organization in a statement Ahata know. "Be careful with the publication of his words."
The Aruban delegation Ady has Thijsen advance to the POK know Brinkman of insults to the Aruban people "not to pick up." "Also, we will abuse the right to freedom of expression is not accepted in Aruba when he says something negative outcome in our tourism sector."

Brinkman (PVV) wants to Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case further. He believes that the affair has been studied carelessness. Aruban media reported Monday the arrival of Beth Holloway  and journalist Greta Van Susteren of the American Foxnews channel. Together they would be a media offensive against Aruba plan. They can not accept the approach of the case on the missing American girl.

In Aruba, the POK began Monday with a visit to the Governor of Aruba, Fredis Refunjol. Fourteen Dutch parliamentarians led by MP Willibrord van Beek and eleven Antillian parliamentarians led by Pedro Atacho this week visited the Aruban parliament. Talks about the political change in the Kingdom and the impact of the credit crisis on the economies of the Netherlands, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Oh, my!  Sending Beth strength and peace, and praying the day soon comes that she never has to return to that hellhole again!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 05, 2009, 09:56:09 AM
(http://goldmonkey.org/images/bb/DSCN0935.jpg)

(http://goldmonkey.org/images/bb/DSCN0934.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 10:00:56 AM
Thanks Johan!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 05, 2009, 10:02:52 AM
Just received this from my friend in Holland, trying to see if she has an article on it.

Quote
It seems Joran is in Holland (Arnhem) again. He probably wouldn't be
here if he wasn't legally obliged to do so; I think they made him come
back.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 05, 2009, 10:03:42 AM
Mon 05 Jan 2009, 15:33

(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:BJPFjGM3CUaqbM:http://spitsnet.nl/uploaded/IMAGES/_Nieuws/Politiek%2520NL/hero_brinkman.jpg)


ORANGE CITY - The Aruban hotel industry is concerned about the presence of MP Hero Brinkman for the Parliamentary Discussion Kingdom (POK) on the island this week. This is Rob Smith of hotel organization in a statement Ahata know. "Be careful with the publication of his words."
The Aruban delegation Ady has Thijsen advance to the POK know Brinkman of insults to the Aruban people "not to pick up." "Also, we will abuse the right to freedom of expression is not accepted in Aruba when he says something negative outcome in our tourism sector."

Brinkman (PVV) wants to Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case further. He believes that the affair has been studied carelessness. Aruban media reported Monday the arrival of Beth Holloway  and journalist Greta Van Susteren of the American Foxnews channel. Together they would be a media offensive against Aruba plan. They can not accept the approach of the case on the missing American girl.

In Aruba, the POK began Monday with a visit to the Governor of Aruba, Fredis Refunjol. Fourteen Dutch parliamentarians led by MP Willibrord van Beek and eleven Antillian parliamentarians led by Pedro Atacho this week visited the Aruban parliament. Talks about the political change in the Kingdom and the impact of the credit crisis on the economies of the Netherlands, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Oh, my!  Sending Beth strength and peace, and praying the day soon comes that she never has to return to that hellhole again!



me too!! Kick some azz Beth and Greta!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 05, 2009, 10:06:35 AM
Mon 05 Jan 2009, 15:33

(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:BJPFjGM3CUaqbM:http://spitsnet.nl/uploaded/IMAGES/_Nieuws/Politiek%2520NL/hero_brinkman.jpg)


ORANGE CITY - The Aruban hotel industry is concerned about the presence of MP Hero Brinkman for the Parliamentary Discussion Kingdom (POK) on the island this week. This is Rob Smith of hotel organization in a statement Ahata know. "Be careful with the publication of his words."  The Aruban delegation Ady has Thijsen advance to the POK know Brinkman of insults to the Aruban people "not to pick up." "Also, we will abuse the right to freedom of expression is not accepted in Aruba when he says something negative outcome in our tourism sector."  

Brinkman (PVV) wants to Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case further. He believes that the affair has been studied carelessness. Aruban media reported Monday the arrival of Beth Holloway and journalist Greta Van Susteren of the American Foxnews channel. Together they would be a media offensive against Aruba plan. They can not accept the approach of the case on the missing American girl.

In Aruba, the POK began Monday with a visit to the Governor of Aruba, Fredis Refunjol. Fourteen Dutch parliamentarians led by MP Willibrord van Beek and eleven Antillian parliamentarians led by Pedro Atacho this week visited the Aruban parliament. Talks about the political change in the Kingdom and the impact of the credit crisis on the economies of the Netherlands, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

sounds like threats to me.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: EURobert on January 05, 2009, 10:11:57 AM
Hi Monks,

I see you have this news already but still...

Here it is in SpitsNieuws newsblog: http://tinyurl.com/84ogo4


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 05, 2009, 10:29:14 AM
source of above mentioned article:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2930935/__Hotels_Aruba_vrezen_komst_PVV_er__.html

Aruban media reporting that both Greta and Beth will arrive on Aruba too.
haven't read confimation of this. nothing about this yet on Gretawire.

earlier it was reported that Brinkman would meet with JQK on Aruba.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on January 05, 2009, 10:36:01 AM
Good Morning,

Hope everyone had a Safe and Happy New Year!


Please let there be an arrest this week!!

pb  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 05, 2009, 10:36:50 AM
Quote
MP launches group against Antilles corruption
Published: Monday 05 January 2009 10:01 UTC
Last updated: Monday 05 January 2009 10:01 UTC
Right-wing Freedom Party MP Hero Brinkman is proposing to establish an Antillean movement to combat political corruption on the islands of the Netherlands Antilles. Mr Brinkman is one of a delegation of Dutch MPs currently on a visit to the island of Curaçao, in the run-up to the start of a biannual Dutch, Antillean and Aruban parliamentary meeting on Monday. The meeting aims at promoting understanding and the exchange of information between politicians from the Netherlands and the Dutch islands in the Caribbean.

Last year Mr Brinkman was at the centre of controversy when he referred to the Antilles as a "corrupt den of thieves". He also placed a mock advertisement on a Dutch auction website offering the islands for sale. Outrage from Antillean politicians led to the cancellation of the biannual parliamentary meeting in January 2008.

Mr Brinkman claims that since then he has received "thousands of emails" from Antilleans and Arubans, both on the islands and in the Netherlands. From among them he has assembled a group of people who are equally critical of the allegedly corrupt politicians. He asserts that only the people of the islands themselves can change the culture of corruption.
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6121594/MP-launches-group-against-Antilles-corruption


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on January 05, 2009, 10:39:35 AM
Glad to hear I wasn't the only one having problems logging in yesterday. I was using my own IP, whichever it may have been yesterday...LOL...and after signing in both yesterday morning and last night in the Shango thread, was directed to a picture of the Panter. I had to go back and re-enter my password and then I was logged in! IIRC this was on the last page that I was reading the night before? ::MonkeyConfused::


I was going to log in yesterday but read how some monkeys were having problems so I decided not to try...  ::MonkeyHaHa:: so I was a guest for most of the night.

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 05, 2009, 10:44:16 AM
thanks Johan and ldstlou. I am very cautiously excited. Beth wouldn't go back to Aruba if she didn't think something was going to happen, would she? Maybe they are ready to file a civil suit? I wonder if Peter de Vries is in Aruba? Geez wouldn't it be great if Joran really is in NL awaiting arrest, but would he really just come back so easily? My mind is spinning, so many quesitons, soooo impatient. I pray this is the start of some great news. (again, cautiously optimistic).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 05, 2009, 10:54:06 AM
thanks Johan and ldstlou. I am very cautiously excited. Beth wouldn't go back to Aruba if she didn't think something was going to happen, would she? Maybe they are ready to file a civil suit? I wonder if Peter de Vries is in Aruba? Geez wouldn't it be great if Joran really is in NL awaiting arrest, but would he really just come back so easily? My mind is spinning, so many quesitons, soooo impatient. I pray this is the start of some great news. (again, cautiously optimistic).

Trying to get more info on Joran, but I trust the word of my friend, she sent that to Jug too so I don't think she would have sent us the e-mail unless he was there.

I am getting butterflies in my stomach!!! I hope this is a productive week for Beth!!

I'll ask about DeVries too. If I get any news i will pass it along and will be watching for news from the Monkeys!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on January 05, 2009, 11:00:31 AM
thanks Johan and ldstlou. I am very cautiously excited. Beth wouldn't go back to Aruba if she didn't think something was going to happen, would she? Maybe they are ready to file a civil suit? I wonder if Peter de Vries is in Aruba? Geez wouldn't it be great if Joran really is in NL awaiting arrest, but would he really just come back so easily? My mind is spinning, so many quesitons, soooo impatient. I pray this is the start of some great news. (again, cautiously optimistic).

Trying to get more info on Joran, but I trust the word of my friend, she sent that to Jug too so I don't think she would have sent us the e-mail unless he was there.

I am getting butterflies in my stomach!!! I hope this is a productive week for Beth!!

I'll ask about DeVries too. If I get any news i will pass it along and will be watching for news from the Monkeys!!

Yes, ldstlou, well put - I have butterflies too!  Am trying to tamp them back down and not get my hopes up yet....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 05, 2009, 11:11:28 AM
thanks Johan and ldstlou. I am very cautiously excited. Beth wouldn't go back to Aruba if she didn't think something was going to happen, would she? Maybe they are ready to file a civil suit? I wonder if Peter de Vries is in Aruba? Geez wouldn't it be great if Joran really is in NL awaiting arrest, but would he really just come back so easily? My mind is spinning, so many quesitons, soooo impatient. I pray this is the start of some great news. (again, cautiously optimistic).

Trying to get more info on Joran, but I trust the word of my friend, she sent that to Jug too so I don't think she would have sent us the e-mail unless he was there.

I am getting butterflies in my stomach!!! I hope this is a productive week for Beth!!

I'll ask about DeVries too. If I get any news i will pass it along and will be watching for news from the Monkeys!!

Yes, ldstlou, well put - I have butterflies too!  Am trying to tamp them back down and not get my hopes up yet....



deep breaths, deeep breaths!! lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 11:13:25 AM


Schaeffer's troubles started before the search, and I've thought that he used the search to save himself more than Natalee.  I could be wrong but that is what I have been thinking for some time.  I guess it's due to my work experience and being privy to what owners do to keep things 'afloat', especially a privately owned business. 

I agree with this 100%.

Shaefer's business activities during the search and after also bear out this logic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 11:17:36 AM
Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that the cage is a drug post office. I mean it is a novel idea, and might work with some cage/trap,at some other location. I don't see how this particular cage could work on any routine basis considering it is visible from the shore. Are these "postal" drops alleged to occur at night? I realize the post office part is speculation I just don't think so.

I've never believed that cage was a drug post office either.  To me, that was just a white wash.

Kyle explained in professional lingo, and with professional reasons why it is highly unlikely for that cage to have been an "active" anything.

No scars on the ocean floor from anchors of ships hovering nearby.  No signs of recent activity inside the cage (no disturbance of sand/silt) that would indicate active/recent "usage" of the cage either.

That John Silvetti himself (according to Caps) is the one who put this theory forward further solidifies my questions of his motives and integrity.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 11:19:07 AM
thanks Johan and ldstlou. I am very cautiously excited. Beth wouldn't go back to Aruba if she didn't think something was going to happen, would she? Maybe they are ready to file a civil suit? I wonder if Peter de Vries is in Aruba? Geez wouldn't it be great if Joran really is in NL awaiting arrest, but would he really just come back so easily? My mind is spinning, so many quesitons, soooo impatient. I pray this is the start of some great news. (again, cautiously optimistic).

Trying to get more info on Joran, but I trust the word of my friend, she sent that to Jug too so I don't think she would have sent us the e-mail unless he was there.

I am getting butterflies in my stomach!!! I hope this is a productive week for Beth!!

I'll ask about DeVries too. If I get any news i will pass it along and will be watching for news from the Monkeys!!

We don't want him here in Europe !!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 11:19:43 AM
Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that the cage is a drug post office. I mean it is a novel idea, and might work with some cage/trap,at some other location. I don't see how this particular cage could work on any routine basis considering it is visible from the shore. Are these "postal" drops alleged to occur at night? I realize the post office part is speculation I just don't think so.

I don't buy it eithe, BB.  I think it was a sceneario invented by Caps
and Silvetti and Kyle, to explain the trap and the plastic bags.
That is why Kyle said he saw the Panter there two days in a row.
The are too many other ways to transfer drugs  without having to dive for them.

Kyle was curious enough about seeing the ship out there to know how many minutes each day it was out there.  Did he take any pictures of what he saw?  I'm sure you wouldn't have been able to tell a lot about them but it seems like something he would have done since he was watching.

I don't believe Kyle was "in the loop" with Silvetti in the beginning.  His posts to us indicate that, IMO.

Kyle never said anything about having taken pictures of the Panter those two days he saw it from the beach - but he did say he spoke with a local there who told him that ship is seen frequently - but NEVER before in that direction, and NEVER before anchored in that place.

FWIW.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 05, 2009, 11:21:04 AM
thanks Johan and ldstlou. I am very cautiously excited. Beth wouldn't go back to Aruba if she didn't think something was going to happen, would she? Maybe they are ready to file a civil suit? I wonder if Peter de Vries is in Aruba? Geez wouldn't it be great if Joran really is in NL awaiting arrest, but would he really just come back so easily? My mind is spinning, so many quesitons, soooo impatient. I pray this is the start of some great news. (again, cautiously optimistic).

Trying to get more info on Joran, but I trust the word of my friend, she sent that to Jug too so I don't think she would have sent us the e-mail unless he was there.

I am getting butterflies in my stomach!!! I hope this is a productive week for Beth!!

I'll ask about DeVries too. If I get any news i will pass it along and will be watching for news from the Monkeys!!

We don't want him here in Europe !!

lol..I don't blame you!! Have you heard anything on joran being back in Holland?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 11:23:28 AM
thanks Johan and ldstlou. I am very cautiously excited. Beth wouldn't go back to Aruba if she didn't think something was going to happen, would she? Maybe they are ready to file a civil suit? I wonder if Peter de Vries is in Aruba? Geez wouldn't it be great if Joran really is in NL awaiting arrest, but would he really just come back so easily? My mind is spinning, so many quesitons, soooo impatient. I pray this is the start of some great news. (again, cautiously optimistic).

Trying to get more info on Joran, but I trust the word of my friend, she sent that to Jug too so I don't think she would have sent us the e-mail unless he was there.

I am getting butterflies in my stomach!!! I hope this is a productive week for Beth!!

I'll ask about DeVries too. If I get any news i will pass it along and will be watching for news from the Monkeys!!

We don't want him here in Europe !!

lol..I don't blame you!! Have you heard anything on joran being back in Holland?

yes it can be true  ::MonkeyWink:: ,but i am not sure


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 11:25:03 AM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 05, 2009, 11:29:30 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 11:30:45 AM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

Brinkman can protect them ! ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Animation2.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 11:30:53 AM
Janet - maybe you'ld like to play a little Scrabble?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/scrabbleSLOOT.jpg)

Great Idea?

 ::cartwheel::

A game of Scrabble and ... only names and words associated with the Natalee Holloway case is allowed.

Who would be my partner?  My DIL is the only one in my family who has an indepth knowledge of the case and ... she has another life that has nothing to do with the case.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 11:38:56 AM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?



I just hope the big arrest this week is not of Beth or Hero Brinkman.  The only thing Aruba ever sees as being wrong is saying something to endanger the almighty tourist dollar!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Everything else seems to be pretty much OK, IMO.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 11:43:32 AM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

I had a feeling she would be going with Greta and JQK.

I'm so glad she did!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 05, 2009, 11:44:53 AM
Just a little humor for your day. I got a little too excited and did a little cartwheel in my living room, followed by a "Go Monkeys!"  ::cartwheel:: I forgot my husband is home on vacation, and he caught this middle aged grandma in the process. He just shook his head and said, "Natalee?" heehee

Go Monkeys!!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 05, 2009, 11:48:06 AM
Just a little humor for your day. I got a little too excited and did a little cartwheel in my living room, followed by a "Go Monkeys!"  ::cartwheel:: I forgot my husband is home on vacation, and he caught this middle aged grandma in the process. He just shook his head and said, "Natalee?" heehee

Go Monkeys!!  ::cartwheel::

WOW!! I am not sure I can still do a cartwheel and better not try in the livingroom just in case!! lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 11:57:47 AM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

We have all been there done that.  I am not prepared just yet to go there again.

I cannot help but believe that Aruba/Holland is orchestrating another "Dog and Pony Show" as a distraction from the contents of that cage/trap ... contents that the oceanographer who held a professional position on board the Persistence believes could have been Natalee Holloway's remains.

Think about it.  If justice for Natalee Holloway were to prevail ... there would have to be more than one major arrest.  There would be a domino effect that would be far reaching.  Accountibility would range from those involved in the happenings of the morning of May 30, 2005 ... to those in the Aruban/Dutch administrations who participated in the coverup ... to the judiciary ... to those involved in Aruba's underground economy which encompasses gambling, drugs, alcohol, money laundring and the sex trade.

In my opinion ... logic dictates ... IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Janet

______


KYLE KINGMAN'S OWN WORDS

Kyle:
John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.

<snipped>

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Disappointing, Greta. I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made. And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 12:03:03 PM
Somebody ... anybody ... please talk to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 05, 2009, 12:06:52 PM
Somebody ... anybody ... please talk to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I'm here, Janet.  Trying to lurk and do some work while I wait not so patiently for news.  I truly believe JQK thinks something is really going to happen or he would not drag Beth down there again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 12:07:35 PM
Janet,

I have faith that JQK and Beth know what they are after for this trip.

Aruba didn't initiate it - Brinkman set it up.

Remember, JQK is attempting to bring International law spotlight on Aruba (sex trafficking).  That can do nothing but good.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 05, 2009, 12:12:55 PM


Schaeffer's troubles started before the search, and I've thought that he used the search to save himself more than Natalee.  I could be wrong but that is what I have been thinking for some time.  I guess it's due to my work experience and being privy to what owners do to keep things 'afloat', especially a privately owned business. 

I agree with this 100%.

Shaefer's business activities during the search and after also bear out this logic.

I went back and reread many articles about Shaefer's business after Sharon's posts yesterday and have not changed my mind.  There are several bits that can be listed but here are just a couple:

He stepped down as chairman to pursue charitable activities mid-November, 2007.

http://www.globenewswire.com/hs/news.html?d=131502

(snipped)
Mr. Schaefer expects to pursue other interests in his retirement, particularly focusing on humanitarian and charitable work, as well as other future business opportunities.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

(snipped) Dated March 3, 2008

It is difficult going home with many questions left unanswered and so many sonar targets remaining to be explored. Our comfort lies in knowledge that we have done the best job we could, that we can return to dive on the remaining targets when funded, and that answers may come in time. We feel that the search is not over but rather entering a new phase. We are thankful for the outpouring of generosity, love, support, and prayers throughout the entire search effort.

********
Class action suit....dated March 4, 2008

http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/03/04/SuperiorOffshore.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: snoopy on January 05, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Somebody ... anybody ... please talk to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I'm here Janet.  Just really really multi-tasking. lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 12:19:47 PM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

We have all been there done that.  I am not prepared just yet to go there again.

I cannot help but believe that Aruba/Holland is orchestrating another "Dog and Pony Show" as a distraction from the contents of that cage/trap ... contents that the oceanographer who held a professional position on board the Persistence believes could have been Natalee Holloway's remains.

Think about it.  If justice for Natalee Holloway were to prevail ... there would have to be more than one major arrest.  There would be a domino effect that would be far reaching.  Accountibility would range from those involved in the happenings of the morning of May 30, 2005 ... to those in the Aruban/Dutch administrations who participated in the coverup ... to the judiciary ... to those involved in Aruba's underground economy which encompasses gambling, drugs, alcohol, money laundring and the sex trade.

In my opinion ... logic dictates ... IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Janet

______


KYLE KINGMAN'S OWN WORDS

Kyle:
John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.

<snipped>

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Disappointing, Greta. I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made. And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html

I do have to agree with Janet.The Victory will be in bringing Natalee home if at all possible.Who are they willing to give up to continue the charade that is Aruba,and what affect will it really have on the corruption of Aruba??Honets questions.The corruption runs to deep.It is the fabric that holds together the island.JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 12:20:20 PM
Somebody ... anybody ... please talk to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I'm here, Janet.  Trying to lurk and do some work while I wait not so patiently for news.  I truly believe JQK thinks something is really going to happen or he would not drag Beth down there again.

Thank Ree.  I had a creepy feeling that Klaas had made me inviisible.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Hey ... I am a believer in that SOMETHING IS REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN.  However ... I believe that ONE major arrest is what it is all about.  In other words ... accountability will stop and end with ONE major arrest.

The ONE major arrest will be Aruba/Holland's attempt to make the Natalee Holloway case go away ... pacify and shut up (very bad word in our home) the mother who  promised to be a voice for her daughter for 40 years.  Aruba would not survive another 36 years of Beth Holloway.

Janet

______



'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 25, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 12:26:40 PM


Schaeffer's troubles started before the search, and I've thought that he used the search to save himself more than Natalee.  I could be wrong but that is what I have been thinking for some time.  I guess it's due to my work experience and being privy to what owners do to keep things 'afloat', especially a privately owned business. 

I agree with this 100%.

Shaefer's business activities during the search and after also bear out this logic.

I went back and reread many articles about Shaefer's business after Sharon's posts yesterday and have not changed my mind.  There are several bits that can be listed but here are just a couple:

He stepped down as chairman to pursue charitable activities mid-November, 2007.

http://www.globenewswire.com/hs/news.html?d=131502

(snipped)
Mr. Schaefer expects to pursue other interests in his retirement, particularly focusing on humanitarian and charitable work, as well as other future business opportunities.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

(snipped) Dated March 3, 2008

It is difficult going home with many questions left unanswered and so many sonar targets remaining to be explored. Our comfort lies in knowledge that we have done the best job we could, that we can return to dive on the remaining targets when funded, and that answers may come in time. We feel that the search is not over but rather entering a new phase. We are thankful for the outpouring of generosity, love, support, and prayers throughout the entire search effort.

********
Class action suit....dated March 4, 2008

http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/03/04/SuperiorOffshore.pdf


Ah..........yes, those are some gems.

The one that really gets to me is his purchase of that family owned charter business - then turning around and immediately bankrupting it.

Wonder what he did with all those assets?  Physical assets - I mean.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 05, 2009, 12:37:28 PM


Schaeffer's troubles started before the search, and I've thought that he used the search to save himself more than Natalee.  I could be wrong but that is what I have been thinking for some time.  I guess it's due to my work experience and being privy to what owners do to keep things 'afloat', especially a privately owned business. 

I agree with this 100%.

Shaefer's business activities during the search and after also bear out this logic.

I went back and reread many articles about Shaefer's business after Sharon's posts yesterday and have not changed my mind.  There are several bits that can be listed but here are just a couple:

He stepped down as chairman to pursue charitable activities mid-November, 2007.

http://www.globenewswire.com/hs/news.html?d=131502

(snipped)
Mr. Schaefer expects to pursue other interests in his retirement, particularly focusing on humanitarian and charitable work, as well as other future business opportunities.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

(snipped) Dated March 3, 2008

It is difficult going home with many questions left unanswered and so many sonar targets remaining to be explored. Our comfort lies in knowledge that we have done the best job we could, that we can return to dive on the remaining targets when funded, and that answers may come in time. We feel that the search is not over but rather entering a new phase. We are thankful for the outpouring of generosity, love, support, and prayers throughout the entire search effort.

********
Class action suit....dated March 4, 2008

http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/03/04/SuperiorOffshore.pdf


Ah..........yes, those are some gems.

The one that really gets to me is his purchase of that family owned charter business - then turning around and immediately bankrupting it.

Wonder what he did with all those assets?  Physical assets - I mean.

Indeed...from early 2007 through early 2008 there were many things.  I've never been wealthy so I have no idea what he may have done with those assets.  Other than our savings & checking, we have coin jars.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 12:40:34 PM
Janet,

I have faith that JQK and Beth know what they are after for this trip.

Aruba didn't initiate it - Brinkman set it up.

Remember, JQK is attempting to bring International law spotlight on Aruba (sex trafficking).  That can do nothing but good.

Hi Jen.

Hero Brinkman speaks the truth but ... when all is said and done ... this man is not about to risk his career and ... bring down all those in the Dutch/Aruban administration who  participated in the coverup.  Brinkman is not going to bring down those in the Judciary whose loyalty to Paulus implied favorable rulings for all nine suspects who were detained in the Natalee Holloway case.

The implications are far reaching therefore ... I believe that Hero Brinkman has negotiated an outcome ... an outcome in an attempt to pacify both Beth Hollway and ... the "powers that be" in Aruba and Holland.

The contents of the cage/trap will be a non issue.  The family will never know if the remains of their beloved were recovered and destroyed.  The family will never know if the only  chance left to bring Natalee home to rest on American soil was lost forever when John Silvetti chose to look the other way and ... let the enemy take possession of the discovery.

Janet
_______

Quote from: caesu on December 11, 2008, 12:38:19 AM

Dutch MP banned from Antilles parliament

Tuesday 08 January 2008


A stand-off between the Netherlands and the Dutch Antilles appears to be intensifying following a vote by Antillean parliamentarians on Monday to ban a Dutch MP from the parliamentary building on Curacao where a meeting between the two sides was planned.

The move follows comments made by Hero Brinkman of the Dutch anti-immigration PVV party last week. Brinkman was reported as saying that Antilleans were ‘largely villains’ and that local politicians were ‘corrupt’.

On Monday, the Antillean parliamentarians voted 16 to one to ban Brinkman from entering the parliamentary building unless he apologised for the comments, reports today’s Volkskrant.

The leader of the Dutch parliamentary delegation, Willibrord van Beek, said that the decision not to allow entry to Brinkman had to be seen as refusing admission to the whole group, the paper reports.

‘We understand the sensitivity over Brinkman’s comments but the importance of the POK [political and financial meetings between Dutch, Antillean and Aruban parliamentarians] is bigger than this issue,’ Van Beek told ANP news service.

A suggestion by the Dutch to hold the meetings on Aruba or Bonaire was rejected by the Antilleans. A proposal by the Antilleans that the delegation leaders meet alone was dismissed by the Dutch side.

It now appears that the meetings will not go ahead.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/01/dutch_mp_banned_from_antilles.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 05, 2009, 12:42:50 PM
Somebody ... anybody ... please talk to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I'm here, Janet.  Trying to lurk and do some work while I wait not so patiently for news.  I truly believe JQK thinks something is really going to happen or he would not drag Beth down there again.

Thank Ree.  I had a creepy feeling that Klaas had made me inviisible.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Hey ... I am a believer in that SOMETHING IS REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN.  However ... I believe that ONE major arrest is what it is all about.  In other words ... accountability will stop and end with ONE major arrest.

The ONE major arrest will be Aruba/Holland's attempt to make the Natalee Holloway case go away ... pacify and shut up (very bad word in our home) the mother who  promised to be a voice for her daughter for 40 years.  Aruba would not survive another 36 years of Beth Holloway.

Janet

______



'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 25, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


It only takes one MAJOR arrest with enough evidence to make them want to cooperate.  Then the ducks start to line up (with the exception of Janet's ducky).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 12:45:10 PM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

We have all been there done that.  I am not prepared just yet to go there again.

I cannot help but believe that Aruba/Holland is orchestrating another "Dog and Pony Show" as a distraction from the contents of that cage/trap ... contents that the oceanographer who held a professional position on board the Persistence believes could have been Natalee Holloway's remains.

Think about it.  If justice for Natalee Holloway were to prevail ... there would have to be more than one major arrest.  There would be a domino effect that would be far reaching.  Accountibility would range from those involved in the happenings of the morning of May 30, 2005 ... to those in the Aruban/Dutch administrations who participated in the coverup ... to the judiciary ... to those involved in Aruba's underground economy which encompasses gambling, drugs, alcohol, money laundring and the sex trade.

In my opinion ... logic dictates ... IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Janet

______


KYLE KINGMAN'S OWN WORDS

Kyle:
John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.

<snipped>

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Disappointing, Greta. I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made. And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html

I do have to agree with Janet.The Victory will be in bringing Natalee home if at all possible.Who are they willing to give up to continue the charade that is Aruba,and what affect will it really have on the corruption of Aruba??Honets questions.The corruption runs to deep.It is the fabric that holds together the island.JMOO

You are I are on the same page.

Keepthefaith ... after almost four years ... justice for Natalee Holloway will never prevail out of a Dutch/Aruban courtroom.  Only the truth pertaining to the contents of that cage may afford a measure of closure to the family.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 05, 2009, 12:46:15 PM

Indeed...from early 2007 through early 2008 there were many things.  I've never been wealthy so I have no idea what he may have done with those assets.  Other than our savings & checking, we have coin jars.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm working -- but I HAD to sign on to laugh at this. We're a bit more sophisticated -- I buy littl piggy banks at the drugstore.  ::MonkeyLaugh::

And of course to shout out to JANET -- you are not invisible  ::MonkeyHaHa::  I'm just trying to be a good worker -- so I can slack off later in the week if we finally get some fireworks

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 12:54:29 PM
Who will they arrest that is willing to spill the whole beans on the island?Which family,and or families has the most to gain from this Govt going down?These families on Aruba are interwined pretty tightly!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 12:55:30 PM
Somebody ... anybody ... please talk to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I'm here, Janet.  Trying to lurk and do some work while I wait not so patiently for news.  I truly believe JQK thinks something is really going to happen or he would not drag Beth down there again.

Thank Ree.  I had a creepy feeling that Klaas had made me inviisible.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Hey ... I am a believer in that SOMETHING IS REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN.  However ... I believe that ONE major arrest is what it is all about.  In other words ... accountability will stop and end with ONE major arrest.

The ONE major arrest will be Aruba/Holland's attempt to make the Natalee Holloway case go away ... pacify and shut up (very bad word in our home) the mother who  promised to be a voice for her daughter for 40 years.  Aruba would not survive another 36 years of Beth Holloway.

Janet

______



'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 25, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


It only takes one MAJOR arrest with enough evidence to make them want to cooperate.  Then the ducks start to line up (with the exception of Janet's ducky).

There is no way that Ducky would fly to Aruba.  He knows where his special grain mixture originates.

I talk to Ducky all the time about the Natalee Holloway case and ... he listens to every word ... he has no choice.  Each member of my family ... with the exception of DIL ... turns a deaf ear to me. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on January 05, 2009, 12:57:12 PM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

I had a feeling she would be going with Greta and JQK.

I'm so glad she did!!

Jen,  do you think that Beth, JQK, and Greta are going to Aruba just to meet with Hero??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 01:02:35 PM
Good Afternoon to all Monkeys and especially Janet who is not invisible.

Janet, I don't have to tell you the Monday is major cleaning and laundry day in this Dutch American household, lol.  Gotta change those sheets and do laundry at the very least so must multitask.

I do think Hero Brinkman would bring down just about anybody because he like his Uncle Wilders fancies himself to be a sort of maverick/rebel and will do anything to make the opposition appear corrupt or at the least indifferent to the corruption that is well known to exist in the Islands.

I believe the real problem is their party affiliation is just too small.  Much like third parties in this country, say Ralph Nader for example, while the message may be good, few follow.

He doesn't have the actual political clout to do much, just make noise and say things.

JMO and Dutchies feel free to enlighten us further in this regard.


.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 01:03:19 PM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

I had a feeling she would be going with Greta and JQK.

I'm so glad she did!!

Jen,  do you think that Beth, JQK, and Greta are going to Aruba just to meet with Hero??

No - I don't.  No reason for Beth to have to set foot on that hellhole just to meet with Brinkman.

She could have travelled anywhere to meet up with him - and at any time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 01:05:22 PM

And of course to shout out to JANET -- you are not invisible  ::MonkeyHaHa::  I'm just trying to be a good worker -- so I can slack off later in the week if we finally get some fireworks

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hey ... I was under the impression that it was Tamikosmom who created fireworks each time she loggs into the Natalee Holloway forum.

However ... nobody watches ... everbody runs for cover.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 05, 2009, 01:08:04 PM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

I had a feeling she would be going with Greta and JQK.

I'm so glad she did!!

Jen,  do you think that Beth, JQK, and Greta are going to Aruba just to meet with Hero??

No - I don't.  No reason for Beth to have to set foot on that hellhole just to meet with Brinkman.

She could have travelled anywhere to meet up with him - and at any time.
Jen ..I love Your answer.....My Family won't be able to pry Me away from these computer for days......Thanks Jen!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 01:12:24 PM
Good Afternoon to all Monkeys and especially Janet who is not invisible.

Janet, I don't have to tell you the Monday is major cleaning and laundry day in this Dutch American household, lol.  Gotta change those sheets and do laundry at the very least so must multitask.

I do think Hero Brinkman would bring down just about anybody because he like his Uncle Wilders fancies himself to be a sort of maverick/rebel and will do anything to make the opposition appear corrupt or at the least indifferent to the corruption that is well known to exist in the Islands.

I believe the real problem is their party affiliation is just too small.  Much like third parties in this country, say Ralph Nader for example, while the message may be good, few follow.

He doesn't have the actual political clout to do much, just make noise and say things.

JMO and Dutchies feel free to enlighten us further in this regard.


.

I am not sure about laundry day but ... in the home of my youngest son's Dutch American inlaws ... the job of cleaning windows is every Wednesday ... whether they are dirty or not.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree with you Anna.  Hero Brinkman comprehends perfectly the situation encompassing the Natalee Holloway case but ... there is just so much he can do.  The "powers that be" would never allow him to implicate those within the Dutch/Aruban administrations and the judiciary ...  who participated in the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for the past almost four years ... to be part of the fall.

Janet 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 01:13:53 PM
Mods

My last post "my home" should be "the home".

Please edit.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 05, 2009, 01:16:18 PM
Brinkman's party is really to small. just 9 seats out of a parliament of 150 seats.
that's why he is doing a media offensive together with Beth and Greta (and JQK and even Peter R. de Vries because Peter R. filled Brinkman in on all the details and Brinkman will report back to him).
that's what it says in the Telegraaf article.

Quote
Brinkman (PVV) wants go deep into Natalee Holloway case on Aruba. He finds that the affair has been investigated carelessly. Aruban media are reporting Monday also the arrival of Beth Holloway and journalist Greta Van Susteren of American channel FoxNews. Together they plan a media offensive against Aruba.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2930935/__Hotels_Aruba_vrezen_komst_PVV_er__.html?p=2,1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 01:17:20 PM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

I had a feeling she would be going with Greta and JQK.

I'm so glad she did!!

Jen,  do you think that Beth, JQK, and Greta are going to Aruba just to meet with Hero??

No - I don't.  No reason for Beth to have to set foot on that hellhole just to meet with Brinkman.

She could have travelled anywhere to meet up with him - and at any time.
Jen ..I love Your answer.....My Family won't be able to pry Me away from these computer for days......Thanks Jen!  ::MonkeyWink::

YW!

Mind - that's just my opinion, using common sense and logic..........and nothing more.

I would never, ever want to come across as a "I know more than I'm telling" kind of person.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 05, 2009, 01:19:09 PM
Mods

My last post "my home" should be "the home".

Please edit.

Thanks

Janet



Fixed.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 05, 2009, 01:22:12 PM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

I had a feeling she would be going with Greta and JQK.

I'm so glad she did!!

Jen,  do you think that Beth, JQK, and Greta are going to Aruba just to meet with Hero??

No - I don't.  No reason for Beth to have to set foot on that hellhole just to meet with Brinkman.

She could have travelled anywhere to meet up with him - and at any time.
Jen ..I love Your answer.....My Family won't be able to pry Me away from these computer for days......Thanks Jen!  ::MonkeyWink::

YW!

Mind - that's just my opinion, using common sense and logic..........and nothing more.

I would never, ever want to come across as a "I know more than I'm telling" kind of person.
Gotcha! I just think that Everyone needs to try to think Positively (if They Can)  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 05, 2009, 01:23:58 PM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

I had a feeling she would be going with Greta and JQK.

I'm so glad she did!!

Jen,  do you think that Beth, JQK, and Greta are going to Aruba just to meet with Hero??

No - I don't.  No reason for Beth to have to set foot on that hellhole just to meet with Brinkman.

She could have travelled anywhere to meet up with him - and at any time.
Jen ..I love Your answer.....My Family won't be able to pry Me away from these computer for days......Thanks Jen!  ::MonkeyWink::

YW!

Mind - that's just my opinion, using common sense and logic..........and nothing more.

I would never, ever want to come across as a "I know more than I'm telling" kind of person.
Gotcha! I just think that Everyone needs to try to think Positively (if They Can)  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::

And pray harder than ever!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 05, 2009, 01:25:17 PM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

I had a feeling she would be going with Greta and JQK.

I'm so glad she did!!

Jen,  do you think that Beth, JQK, and Greta are going to Aruba just to meet with Hero??

No - I don't.  No reason for Beth to have to set foot on that hellhole just to meet with Brinkman.

She could have travelled anywhere to meet up with him - and at any time.
Jen ..I love Your answer.....My Family won't be able to pry Me away from these computer for days......Thanks Jen!  ::MonkeyWink::

YW!

Mind - that's just my opinion, using common sense and logic..........and nothing more.

I would never, ever want to come across as a "I know more than I'm telling" kind of person.
Gotcha! I just think that Everyone needs to try to think Positively (if They Can)  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::

And pray harder than ever!
Amen!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on January 05, 2009, 01:26:28 PM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

I had a feeling she would be going with Greta and JQK.

I'm so glad she did!!

Jen,  do you think that Beth, JQK, and Greta are going to Aruba just to meet with Hero??

No - I don't.  No reason for Beth to have to set foot on that hellhole just to meet with Brinkman.

She could have travelled anywhere to meet up with him - and at any time.
Jen ..I love Your answer.....My Family won't be able to pry Me away from these computer for days......Thanks Jen!  ::MonkeyWink::

YW!

Mind - that's just my opinion, using common sense and logic..........and nothing more.

I would never, ever want to come across as a "I know more than I'm telling" kind of person.
Gotcha! I just think that Everyone needs to try to think Positively (if They Can)  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Jen and Hotping.  I was wondering if it were indeed just a 'negative' media blitz they were going for, or if there really could be an arrest imminent.  I am thinking very positively Hotping!  I hope they make it happen. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 01:28:42 PM
"If" the corruption of the Aruban Govt was to be brought down by an arrest.If you were the ALE,who would it be?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 05, 2009, 01:29:15 PM
It only takes one MAJOR arrest with enough evidence to make them want to cooperate.  Then the ducks start to line up (with the exception of Janet's ducky).
[/quote]

Ree -

Unfortunately, I disagree.
There is nothing to fear by a suspect. ALE never has leverage, nor upperhand. Therefore, there are never consequences to fear.

BUCKSHOT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 05, 2009, 01:31:27 PM
Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

I had a feeling she would be going with Greta and JQK.

I'm so glad she did!!

Jen,  do you think that Beth, JQK, and Greta are going to Aruba just to meet with Hero??

No - I don't.  No reason for Beth to have to set foot on that hellhole just to meet with Brinkman.

She could have travelled anywhere to meet up with him - and at any time.
Jen ..I love Your answer.....My Family won't be able to pry Me away from these computer for days......Thanks Jen!  ::MonkeyWink::

YW!

Mind - that's just my opinion, using common sense and logic..........and nothing more.

I would never, ever want to come across as a "I know more than I'm telling" kind of person.
Gotcha! I just think that Everyone needs to try to think Positively (if They Can)  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Jen and Hotping.  I was wondering if it were indeed just a 'negative' media blitz they were going for, or if there really could be an arrest imminent.  I am thinking very positively Hotping!  I hope they make it happen. 
YW Sunny!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 01:32:36 PM
Brinkman's party is really to small. just 9 seats out of a parliament of 150 seats.
that's why he is doing a media offensive together with Beth and Greta (and JQK and even Peter R. de Vries because Peter R. filled Brinkman in on all the details and Brinkman will report back to him).
that's what it says in the Telegraaf article.

Quote
Brinkman (PVV) wants go deep into Natalee Holloway case on Aruba. He finds that the affair has been investigated carelessly. Aruban media are reporting Monday also the arrival of Beth Holloway and journalist Greta Van Susteren of American channel FoxNews. Together they plan a media offensive against Aruba.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2930935/__Hotels_Aruba_vrezen_komst_PVV_er__.html?p=2,1

dit is dreigende taal caesu !!  :::

Ook zullen we misbruik van het recht op vrijheid van meningsuiting niet accepteren als hij op Aruba iets zegt wat slecht uitpakt voor onze toeristische sector.”


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2009, 01:35:35 PM
'Arrest' is not good enough ..... we have too often seen their catch and release program. I can't help but fear Beth is in for yet another let down.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I just can't help it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 01:36:29 PM
What if they arrest PVDS?  Could the cards fall?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 01:41:30 PM
What if they arrest PVDS?  Could the cards fall?

That would be interesting!What has occured recently that would see the corrupt close ranks on Paulus?Backed into a corner he may chirp but,i don't hold my breath.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 05, 2009, 01:45:06 PM
What if they arrest PVDS?  Could the cards fall?

That would be interesting!What has occured recently that would see the corrupt close ranks on Paulus?Backed into a corner he may chirp but,i don't hold my breath.

Maybe if there really is something to the trafficing?  Not from Aruba, but maybe Jorass gave enough info away to get Paulus on that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on January 05, 2009, 01:45:42 PM
What if they arrest PVDS?  Could the cards fall?

That would be interesting!What has occured recently that would see the corrupt close ranks on Paulus?Backed into a corner he may chirp but,i don't hold my breath.

Well,  I believe it was taco that said PVDS was not the sharpest knife in the drawer.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 01:50:14 PM
What if they arrest PVDS?  Could the cards fall?

That would be interesting!What has occured recently that would see the corrupt close ranks on Paulus?Backed into a corner he may chirp but,i don't hold my breath.

Maybe if there really is something to the trafficing?  Not from Aruba, but maybe Jorass gave enough info away to get Paulus on that.

Aruba hasn't implemented any Trafficking laws yet,or have they?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 01:50:23 PM
Brinkman's party is really to small. just 9 seats out of a parliament of 150 seats.
that's why he is doing a media offensive together with Beth and Greta (and JQK and even Peter R. de Vries because Peter R. filled Brinkman in on all the details and Brinkman will report back to him).
that's what it says in the Telegraaf article.

Quote
Brinkman (PVV) wants go deep into Natalee Holloway case on Aruba. He finds that the affair has been investigated carelessly. Aruban media are reporting Monday also the arrival of Beth Holloway and journalist Greta Van Susteren of American channel FoxNews. Together they plan a media offensive against Aruba.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2930935/__Hotels_Aruba_vrezen_komst_PVV_er__.html?p=2,1


How on earth would they know Beth and Greta are "planning a media offensive"?  That sounds just a little paranoid and designed to incite hate against Beth and Greta in advance.

Nasty comment, IMO.

Could it be Beth just wants her daughter back?  But nothing like pitting the people of Aruba against her in this game of "Us Against Them" they so like to play!

Beth and Greta haven't made anybody disappear that I am aware of and so there is no other side to this.  There is Truth, Justice and what happened to Natalee.  That should be the only concern but instead we see much more concern STILL for Aruban tourism than anything else in the world.

Greed.

.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 01:53:43 PM
Maybe someone finally subpoenaed Paulus bank account, lol. 

Is anyone watching Greta's blog for updates?  I have too much going on around here to keep up with much of anything today.

I think Greta would update the blog on any news, right?

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 01:54:57 PM
Brinkman's party is really to small. just 9 seats out of a parliament of 150 seats.
that's why he is doing a media offensive together with Beth and Greta (and JQK and even Peter R. de Vries because Peter R. filled Brinkman in on all the details and Brinkman will report back to him).
that's what it says in the Telegraaf article.

Quote
Brinkman (PVV) wants go deep into Natalee Holloway case on Aruba. He finds that the affair has been investigated carelessly. Aruban media are reporting Monday also the arrival of Beth Holloway and journalist Greta Van Susteren of American channel FoxNews. Together they plan a media offensive against Aruba.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2930935/__Hotels_Aruba_vrezen_komst_PVV_er__.html?p=2,1


How on earth would they know Beth and Greta are "planning a media offensive"?  That sounds just a little paranoid and designed to incite hate against Beth and Greta in advance.

Nasty comment, IMO.

Could it be Beth just wants her daughter back?  But nothing like pitting the people of Aruba against her in this game of "Us Against Them" they so like to play!

Beth and Greta haven't made anybody disappear that I am aware of and so there is no other side to this.  There is Truth, Justice and what happened to Natalee.  That should be the only concern but instead we see much more concern STILL for Aruban tourism than anything else in the world.

Greed.

.



It is a positive that Greta,as well as the cameras she brings will be present for anything that may or may not occur!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 05, 2009, 01:55:37 PM
Some of the mistakes were harder to explain. Late one Friday night, CNN reported that at least one of the suspects had confessed. AP quickly followed with a report that he was leading police to the evidence. Moments later, a half dozen news crews sped down a pitch-dark dirt road toward an abandoned beach where police were supposedly digging up a body. Nothing. Officials ranging from the original source right up to the prime minister quickly denied the initial reports.

As guiltily competitive as the rest, I crept out later that night with a Birmingham television crew that was filming distant, spotty footage of men digging in the dunes – probably just local bootleggers pulling up their stash of booze.

E-mail: hwolfson@bhamnews.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 05, 2009, 01:55:37 PM
Maybe someone finally subpoenaed Paulus bank account, lol. 

Is anyone watching Greta's blog for updates?  I have too much going on around here to keep up with much of anything today.

I think Greta would update the blog on any news, right?

.

I think she said last week, it was up to us to keep the blog going while she was gone.  Nothing new as of this morning.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 05, 2009, 01:56:31 PM
What if they arrest PVDS?  Could the cards fall?

That would be interesting!What has occured recently that would see the corrupt close ranks on Paulus?Backed into a corner he may chirp but,i don't hold my breath.

Maybe if there really is something to the trafficing?  Not from Aruba, but maybe Jorass gave enough info away to get Paulus on that.

Aruba hasn't implemented any Trafficking laws yet,or have they?

Do they have to be Aruban laws, if he ws involved in schemes in other countries?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 01:57:09 PM
Hey Janet!Would you get excited if they exposed the Persistence while they were down there??Use those pictures to get the International media attention.What would Aruba do then??? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2009, 01:58:50 PM
Another thought..... Wasn't is said a while ago that the (I know, they say it every year :roll: ) December deadline to arrest/prosecute will be continued into February? How does their "30 day" hold/arrest rule fit that timeline? ;)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 01:59:53 PM
What if they arrest PVDS?  Could the cards fall?

That would be interesting!What has occured recently that would see the corrupt close ranks on Paulus?Backed into a corner he may chirp but,i don't hold my breath.

Maybe if there really is something to the trafficing?  Not from Aruba, but maybe Jorass gave enough info away to get Paulus on that.

Aruba hasn't implemented any Trafficking laws yet,or have they?

Do they have to be Aruban laws, if he ws involved in schemes in other countries?

Absolutely not Ree!"If" Paulus actually did traffic.Where was he sending them?To Holland?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 02:02:00 PM
Maybe someone finally subpoenaed Paulus bank account, lol. 

Is anyone watching Greta's blog for updates?  I have too much going on around here to keep up with much of anything today.

I think Greta would update the blog on any news, right?

.
I checked Greta's blog, nothing yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 02:05:22 PM
Greta seems to be blogging as usual but no mention of Natalee!!!!!

Report on Bush cat dying and Minnesota senate race so she must have access to a computer.  Maybe we should post comments demanding to know if she is in Aruba and wasssup?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 05, 2009, 02:05:32 PM
What if they arrest PVDS?  Could the cards fall?

That would be interesting!What has occured recently that would see the corrupt close ranks on Paulus?Backed into a corner he may chirp but,i don't hold my breath.

Maybe if there really is something to the trafficing?  Not from Aruba, but maybe Jorass gave enough info away to get Paulus on that.

Aruba hasn't implemented any Trafficking laws yet,or have they?

Do they have to be Aruban laws, if he ws involved in schemes in other countries?

Absolutely not Ree!"If" Paulus actually did traffic.Where was he sending them?To Holland?

Well, suspose they were from Columbia or Thailand and shipped to Holland.  Perhaps he wasn't the trafficer, but the money guy or guy who writes contracts to cover the illegal activity.  If they had him dead to rights he might talk.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 02:06:10 PM
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

Link to Greta's blog to keep an eye out of any information on the trip to Aruba.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 02:07:06 PM
Hope ya had a great weekend Truthseeker2.Jamie,the Colombians,CMB,Gomez,Swean.Anything new on that front?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 05, 2009, 02:07:52 PM
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

Link to Greta's blog to keep an eye out of any information on the trip to Aruba.



If she's not telling us anything, based on her history, I think she plans a "special" or "breaking news".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 02:08:02 PM
Maybe someone finally subpoenaed Paulus bank account, lol.  

Is anyone watching Greta's blog for updates?  I have too much going on around here to keep up with much of anything today.

I think Greta would update the blog on any news, right?

.

That's what I'm hoping for!!!

Joran did name names as to whom daddy paid off!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 02:08:56 PM
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

Link to Greta's blog to keep an eye out of any information on the trip to Aruba.



If she's not telling us anything, based on her history, I think she plans a "special" or "breaking news".

I hope she airs live from Aruba tonight!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 02:10:14 PM
What if they arrest PVDS?  Could the cards fall?

That would be interesting!What has occured recently that would see the corrupt close ranks on Paulus?Backed into a corner he may chirp but,i don't hold my breath.

Maybe if there really is something to the trafficing?  Not from Aruba, but maybe Jorass gave enough info away to get Paulus on that.

Aruba hasn't implemented any Trafficking laws yet,or have they?

Do they have to be Aruban laws, if he ws involved in schemes in other countries?

Absolutely not Ree!"If" Paulus actually did traffic.Where was he sending them?To Holland?

Well, suspose they were from Columbia or Thailand and shipped to Holland.  Perhaps he wasn't the trafficer, but the money guy or guy who writes contracts to cover the illegal activity.  If they had him dead to rights he might talk.

"If" they had him on trafficking.Why would he come clean about Natalee,and or the corruption of Aruba?How would arresting Paulus on Trafficking get us closer to the truth?? ::MonkeyConfused:: Still confused in Seattle.LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 02:10:33 PM
What if they arrest PVDS?  Could the cards fall?

YES!!!

Without a Aruban strategy ... THE HOUSE OF CARDS WILL COLLAPSE ... if Paulus van der Sloot is implicated.  However ... logic dictates that Aruba or Holland is not going to allow the house of cards to collapse.

I contend ... to avoid the domino effect ... there has been a negotiated outcome which implies that accountability will stop and end with a sacrificial lamb that has been predetermined.

I believe the sacrificial lamb will be either Joran van der Sloot or Jan vander Straaten.

1.  JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Joran was 17 years old at the time when Natalee Holloway went missing.  The consequences would imply a slap on the wrist.

2.  JAN VAN DER STRATTEN

Straaten will plead "not guilty" to the charges of making decisions within the first ten days of the investigation that implied a conflict of interest.  The Dutch judge will concur.  However ... Straaten will concede that "mistakes" that totally compromised the investigation and ... justice for Natalee Holloway can never be.

Think about it.  Wrong decisions are made every day within investigations in America and Canada ... wrong decisions that compromise justice for a victim.  Heads may roll but ... there are no legal ramifications.

An official apology will be afford the family of Natalee Holloway for an "incompetent" Aruban investigation.  However ... it is too late to turn back the clock.  Too bad; so sad.

Case Closed!!!

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 05, 2009, 02:10:46 PM
Nows the time when some family "connections" would help.  Anybody know anything they can share? ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 02:11:35 PM
But it was Rudy Croes who had the complaint filed against him by two women who said he was keeping them as sex slaves wasn't it/ 

Wrong side of the equation.  This seems to be the problem, they are all so dirty no one is willing to squeal on anybody else because of being so dirty themselves that they know they, too, would be exposed in retaliation if nothing else.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 05, 2009, 02:13:36 PM
What if they arrest PVDS?  Could the cards fall?

YES!!!

Without a Aruban strategy ... THE HOUSE OF CARDS WILL COLLAPSE ... if Paulus van der Sloot is implicated.  However ... logic dictates that Aruba or Holland is not going to allow the house of cards to collapse.

I contend ... to avoid the domino effect ... there has been a negotiated outcome which implies that accountability will stop and end with a sacrificial lamb that has been predetermined.

I believe the sacrificial lamb will be either Joran van der Sloot or Jan vander Straaten.

1.  JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Joran was 17 years old at the time when Natalee Holloway went missing.  The consequences would imply a slap on the wrist.

2.  JAN VAN DER STRATTEN

Straaten will plead "not guilty" to the charges of making decisions within the first ten days of the investigation that implied a conflict of interest.  The Dutch judge will concur.  However ... Straaten will concede that "mistakes" that totally compromised the investigation and ... justice for Natalee Holloway can never be.

Think about it.  Wrong decisions are made every day within investigations in America and Canada ... wrong decisions that compromise justice for a victim.  Heads may roll but ... there are no legal ramifications.

An official apology will be afford the family of Natalee Holloway for an "incompetent" Aruban investigation.  However ... it is too late to turn back the clock.  Too bad; so sad.

Case Closed!!!

Janet



While I would tend to agree, I'm not sure that JQK and Beth would not see through that and refuse to accept it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 02:14:22 PM
Hey Janet!Would you get excited if they exposed the Persistence while they were down there??Use those pictures to get the International media attention.What would Aruba do then??? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 02:14:33 PM
What if they arrest PVDS?  Could the cards fall?

YES!!!

Without a Aruban strategy ... THE HOUSE OF CARDS WILL COLLAPSE ... if Paulus van der Sloot is implicated.  However ... logic dictates that Aruba or Holland is not going to allow the house of cards to collapse.

I contend ... to avoid the domino effect ... there has been a negotiated outcome which implies that accountability will stop and end with a sacrificial lamb that has been predetermined.

I believe the sacrificial lamb will be either Joran van der Sloot or Jan vander Straaten.

1.  JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Joran was 17 years old at the time when Natalee Holloway went missing.  The consequences would imply a slap on the wrist.

2.  JAN VAN DER STRATTEN

Straaten will plead "not guilty" to the charges of making decisions within the first ten days of the investigation that implied a conflict of interest.  The Dutch judge will concur.  However ... Straaten will concede that "mistakes" that totally compromised the investigation and ... justice for Natalee Holloway can never be.

Think about it.  Wrong decisions are made every day within investigations in America and Canada ... wrong decisions that compromise justice for a victim.  Heads may roll but ... there are no legal ramifications.

An official apology will be afford the family of Natalee Holloway for an "incompetent" Aruban investigation.  However ... it is too late to turn back the clock.  Too bad; so sad.

Case Closed!!!

Janet



Although i think your as close to right as we're gonna get.I think that will compound thing's even more!It will open Pandora's box.I pray..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 02:20:34 PM
Greta seems to be blogging as usual but no mention of Natalee!!!!!

Report on Bush cat dying and Minnesota senate race so she must have access to a computer.  Maybe we should post comments demanding to know if she is in Aruba and wasssup?



I think Greta has others take over her blog when she is on the road.  Could be she is in transit.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 02:24:28 PM
Mods

My last post "my home" should be "the home".

Please edit.

Thanks

Janet



Fixed.   ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks 2NJSons_Mom.

Tamikosmom has just negated her New Year resolutions for 2009.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
________


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #100 on: December 27, 2008, 01:12:11 AM »


1.  No more off topic.
2.  No more striving to be afforded that edit icon.
3.  Be more compromising.
4.  Refrain from posting quotes.
5.  Two hour daily limit on the SM Site.
6.  Be nice to trolls.
7.  Never bother Klaas or mods to edit my typos.
8.  Encourage to Dana to invite Steve Cohen and Joe Tacopina back to his show.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg599779;topicseen#msg599779



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: muisje on January 05, 2009, 02:25:07 PM
From Het Parool (mondayevening 5-1-2009 19.49)

ARE THEY AFRAID ::MonkeyShocked::

Parliamentary consultations Aruba suspended
ORANGE CITY - The consultations on Aruba between the parliaments of the Netherlands, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba is suspended until further notice. The Dutch delegation was headed by Willibrord van Beek has criticized the fact that the Aruban Prime Minister and ministers have canceled their speeches.

This is what the Antillian Aruban delegation leaders reported Monday. The four men Aruban government would deliver a speech to the Parliamentary Discussion Kingdom (POK), which takes place every six months. Presumably, the presence of-PVV MP Hero Brinkman led to cancellations.

Last year was a meeting in Curaçao POK not because of statements by Brinkman. (ANP)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 05, 2009, 02:25:26 PM
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)
Aruba: chief of protocol Eric Brete threatens Brinkman, almost results in a fistfight.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_51147.php
(translation follows later)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: IBE on January 05, 2009, 02:26:29 PM
But it was Rudy Croes who had the complaint filed against him by two women who said he was keeping them as sex slaves wasn't it/ 

Wrong side of the equation.  This seems to be the problem, they are all so dirty no one is willing to squeal on anybody else because of being so dirty themselves that they know they, too, would be exposed in retaliation if nothing else.



Anna,

I agree and a cargo ship loaded with Dial wouldn't even help!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 02:27:35 PM
Mon 05 Jan 2009, 19:39
Brinkman threatened  in Aruba
(http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00595/hero_brinkman_595753d.jpg)
ORANGE CITY - The chief of protocol Aruba, Eric Bret, on Monday threatened PVV MP Hero Brinkman-in to beat each other. "Aruba is not corrupt, I mean to me you do not break to save," said Bret for the building of the Administrative Office in Orange City. Brinkman was at that moment in the presence of others in the Chamber Jan Schinkelshoek, John Leerdam and Ineke van Gent. Government Employees had Arubaan raging temper.
Brinkman, who is in Aruba for the semi-annual parliamentary consultations between the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, feels threatened, but no declaration of threat. "It is a naive man with the mind of a child of four years," said the PVV politician. "If he wants to hit me up, my man, I do. I am 23 years been in the police. "

It is striking that the public gallery of the Aruban parliament no security personnel present. Brinkman thinks the incident a response to his statements on TV that Aruba "corrupt as hell is. "I am now also floor length in the Holloway case. It is a disgrace case still continues thirty years, if nothing is done ", the PVV politician.

The Second Chamber has Sunday to Aruba for the second time with the American Foxnews channel discussed the case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 05, 2009, 02:31:09 PM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1894172/brinkman-bedreigd-met-in-elkaar-slaan.html
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4295478/Parlementair-overleg-Aruba-opgeschort.ece

meetings suspended.

because Aruban prime-minister and other ministers refused to give speeches.
Rudy Croes is on 'family visit' to the USA.
Croes: "I am not absent because of Brinkman but he deserves to be punched in the head".
Aruban chief of protocol Eric Brete also threatened to hit Brinkman.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 05, 2009, 02:34:01 PM
in a way it is a good thing that those meetings are suspended.
now Brinkman has more time to focus on the Holloway case.
and he doesn't have sit there listening to the whining, and the threats of the Arubans.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 02:34:29 PM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1894172/brinkman-bedreigd-met-in-elkaar-slaan.html
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4295478/Parlementair-overleg-Aruba-opgeschort.ece

meetings suspended.

because Aruban prime-minister and other ministers refused to give speeches.
Rudy Croes is on 'family visit' to the USA.
Croes: "I am not absent because of Brinkman but he deserves to be punched in the head".
Aruban chief of protocol Eric Brete also threatened to hit Brinkman.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 05, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
Brinkman spoke yesterday on FOX again it says in the news articles.
is this pre-taped so it will be broadcasted this week?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 05, 2009, 02:41:01 PM
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)
Aruba: chief of protocol Eric Brete threatens Brinkman, almost results in a fistfight.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_51147.php
(translation follows later)

Things are getting a bit testy down there.  I wonder if Brinkman will have a press conference this afternoon?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 02:43:46 PM
They just think they want to fight!  My money would be on Hero Brinkman, taking any of those cowards on (with one hand tied behind his back!)!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Cowards, that's all they are....corrupt cowards!

I don't ever recall Rudy Croes visiting family in the USA!  Did he escort Val and Maki back to school or something?  Pale faced coward!  He probably knew that Hero would pull that wig off and shove it down his throat! 
  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

(Sorry, bad attitude I didn't want to go back to work today...)

They all cancelled their speeches so they wouldn't have to look anyone in the eye.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 02:45:47 PM
They just think they want to fight!  My money would be on Hero Brinkman, taking any of those cowards on (with one hand tied behind his back!)!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Cowards, that's all they are....corrupt cowards!

I don't ever recall Rudy Croes visiting family in the USA!  Did he escort Val and Maki back to school or something?  Pale faced coward!  He probably knew that Hero would pull that wig off and shove it down his throat! 
  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

(Sorry, bad attitude I didn't want to go back to work today...)

They all cancelled their speeches so they wouldn't have to look anyone in the eye.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



If a MAJOR players is to be arrested would Rudy Croes not know?In the USA to save face to all his corrupt buddies??Just thoughts


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 05, 2009, 02:48:34 PM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1894172/brinkman-bedreigd-met-in-elkaar-slaan.html
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4295478/Parlementair-overleg-Aruba-opgeschort.ece

meetings suspended.

because Aruban prime-minister and other ministers refused to give speeches.
Rudy Croes is on 'family visit' to the USA.
Croes: "I am not absent because of Brinkman but he deserves to be punched in the head".
Aruban chief of protocol Eric Brete also threatened to hit Brinkman.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)

How very professional of both Croes & Brete.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 02:54:58 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/brinkMAN-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 05, 2009, 02:57:19 PM
They just think they want to fight!  My money would be on Hero Brinkman, taking any of those cowards on (with one hand tied behind his back!)!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Cowards, that's all they are....corrupt cowards!

I don't ever recall Rudy Croes visiting family in the USA!  Did he escort Val and Maki back to school or something?  Pale faced coward!  He probably knew that Hero would pull that wig off and shove it down his throat! 
  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

(Sorry, bad attitude I didn't want to go back to work today...)

They all cancelled their speeches so they wouldn't have to look anyone in the eye.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


I say.... They are All SCCCARRREDDDD! JMO  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 02:59:31 PM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1894172/brinkman-bedreigd-met-in-elkaar-slaan.html
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4295478/Parlementair-overleg-Aruba-opgeschort.ece

meetings suspended.

because Aruban prime-minister and other ministers refused to give speeches.
Rudy Croes is on 'family visit' to the USA.
Croes: "I am not absent because of Brinkman but he deserves to be punched in the head".
Aruban chief of protocol Eric Brete also threatened to hit Brinkman.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)

Geez!!!!!  What the hell is WRONG with those people?!?!?! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 03:00:39 PM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1894172/brinkman-bedreigd-met-in-elkaar-slaan.html
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4295478/Parlementair-overleg-Aruba-opgeschort.ece

meetings suspended.

because Aruban prime-minister and other ministers refused to give speeches.
Rudy Croes is on 'family visit' to the USA.
Croes: "I am not absent because of Brinkman but he deserves to be punched in the head".
Aruban chief of protocol Eric Brete also threatened to hit Brinkman.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)

How very professional of both Croes & Brete.   ::MonkeyRoll::

Yes I agree 2NJ_Sons.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

If what Hero Brinkman stated about Aruba being "Corrupt as Hell" was not true (we all know it is, but some may have doubts); this was a prime time for them to have given a sign of that to the world.  Instead they are running and hiding and making their childish comments to the media instead of being the leaders they are supposed to be.  Yeah, they are real bad asses when it comes to dealing with grief stricken parents trying to find their daughter!  But they slither to dark cover like the snakes they are when those that can expose them come to town!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 03:00:47 PM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1894172/brinkman-bedreigd-met-in-elkaar-slaan.html
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4295478/Parlementair-overleg-Aruba-opgeschort.ece

meetings suspended.

because Aruban prime-minister and other ministers refused to give speeches.
Rudy Croes is on 'family visit' to the USA.
Croes: "I am not absent because of Brinkman but he deserves to be punched in the head".
Aruban chief of protocol Eric Brete also threatened to hit Brinkman.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)

How very professional of both Croes & Brete.   ::MonkeyRoll::

And Brete is the "Chief of Protocol"  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 03:02:54 PM


Thanks to all for providing the media updates!  ::MonkeyCool::


Back to work!!!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 03:06:06 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 05, 2009, 03:08:36 PM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1894172/brinkman-bedreigd-met-in-elkaar-slaan.html
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4295478/Parlementair-overleg-Aruba-opgeschort.ece

meetings suspended.

because Aruban prime-minister and other ministers refused to give speeches.
Rudy Croes is on 'family visit' to the USA.
Croes: "I am not absent because of Brinkman but he deserves to be punched in the head".
Aruban chief of protocol Eric Brete also threatened to hit Brinkman.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)

How very professional of both Croes & Brete.   ::MonkeyRoll::

And Brete is the "Chief of Protocol"  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
  ::MonkeyLaugh:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 05, 2009, 03:12:37 PM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1894172/brinkman-bedreigd-met-in-elkaar-slaan.html
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4295478/Parlementair-overleg-Aruba-opgeschort.ece

meetings suspended.

because Aruban prime-minister and other ministers refused to give speeches.
Rudy Croes is on 'family visit' to the USA.
Croes: "I am not absent because of Brinkman but he deserves to be punched in the head".
Aruban chief of protocol Eric Brete also threatened to hit Brinkman.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)

How very professional of both Croes & Brete.   ::MonkeyRoll::

And Brete is the "Chief of Protocol"  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
  ::MonkeyLaugh:: 

Well maybe it's just their protocol to make an ass out of themselves.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 03:15:21 PM
STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 05, 2009, 03:15:31 PM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1894172/brinkman-bedreigd-met-in-elkaar-slaan.html
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4295478/Parlementair-overleg-Aruba-opgeschort.ece

meetings suspended.

because Aruban prime-minister and other ministers refused to give speeches.
Rudy Croes is on 'family visit' to the USA.
Croes: "I am not absent because of Brinkman but he deserves to be punched in the head".
Aruban chief of protocol Eric Brete also threatened to hit Brinkman.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)

How very professional of both Croes & Brete.   ::MonkeyRoll::

And Brete is the "Chief of Protocol"  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL.  Can you imagine the 'new' protocol he would establish if the meetings had not been cancelled?

"Okay.  Before any speeches are given, everyone will line up on the right side of the room and prepare to assault Hero Brinkman, after which we will have him carried out of the auditorium."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 03:17:13 PM
STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

Members of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, the Aruba Tourism Authority, the Aruba Hospitality and Security Foundation, the Aruban Chamber of Commerce and government figures, including Public Relations Representative Ruben Trappenberg, formed an "Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force" to respond collectively to what they perceived to be unfounded and/or negative portrayals of the island. The group issued press releases and sent representatives to appear in news media. They joined the Aruban government in opposing the calls for a boycott of the island.


Strategic Communications Task Force Statement Meeting between Mrs. Beth Twitty and Strategic Communications Task Force Strategic Communications Task Force Members: Mrs. Myrna Jansen of the Aruba Tourism Authority; Mr. Jorge Pesquera of AHATA; Mr. Greg Peterson representing ATIA; Mr. Rob Smith representing the Hospitality Security Foundation; Mr. Jeff Lesker Chairman of AHATA; Mr. Jaap Beaujon of IBS Aruba; Mrs. Anabela Peterson de Sousa; and Minister Edison Briesen, Minister of Tourism and Transportation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 05, 2009, 03:17:47 PM
STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

This is SUCH an interesting list of people.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 03:23:40 PM
STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

This is SUCH an interesting list of people.

The Mansur family!

Serge Mansur/Strategic task force
Eduardo Mansur/Search and Rescue
Jossy Mansur/Diario

Is it just me or is there a problem with this?Throw a Banana at me monkey's if i'm crazy.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 03:24:41 PM
STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

Members of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, the Aruba Tourism Authority, the Aruba Hospitality and Security Foundation, the Aruban Chamber of Commerce and government figures, including Public Relations Representative Ruben Trappenberg, formed an "Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force" to respond collectively to what they perceived to be unfounded and/or negative portrayals of the island. The group issued press releases and sent representatives to appear in news media. They joined the Aruban government in opposing the calls for a boycott of the island.


Strategic Communications Task Force Statement Meeting between Mrs. Beth Twitty and Strategic Communications Task Force Strategic Communications Task Force Members: Mrs. Myrna Jansen of the Aruba Tourism Authority; Mr. Jorge Pesquera of AHATA; Mr. Greg Peterson representing ATIA; Mr. Rob Smith representing the Hospitality Security Foundation; Mr. Jeff Lesker Chairman of AHATA; Mr. Jaap Beaujon of IBS Aruba; Mrs. Anabela Peterson de Sousa; and Minister Edison Briesen, Minister of Tourism and Transportation.


sent representatives to appear in news media

Like Eric Brete ? ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 05, 2009, 03:25:14 PM
STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

This is SUCH an interesting list of people.

The Mansur family!

Serge Mansur/Strategic task force
Eduardo Mansur/Search and Rescue
Jossy Mansur/Diario

Is it just me or is there a problem with this?Throw a Banana at me monkey's if i'm crazy.... ::MonkeyConfused::

Well the name does keep cropping up doesn't it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 05, 2009, 03:27:50 PM
OK Read back and just itching to hear more news. I'll keep checking back. Goooooooooooooooo Beth & Greta & Hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give them HELL!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 03:28:27 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 03:33:13 PM
STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

This is SUCH an interesting list of people.

The Mansur family!

Serge Mansur/Strategic task force
Eduardo Mansur/Search and Rescue
Jossy Mansur/Diario

Is it just me or is there a problem with this?Throw a Banana at me monkey's if i'm crazy.... ::MonkeyConfused::

Well the name does keep cropping up doesn't it.

Yes it does!With as much power and influence the Mansur's "Appear" to have on this island i think it's somewhat safe to say they must have some intimate knowledge of the TRUTH regarding the murder and cover-up of Natalee Holloway!

As well Truthseeker2.I asked a few pages back but didn't know if you saw it.Anything new regarding the Colombians,Jaime,Cmb bank,Gomez or swean?TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 03:38:25 PM
November 2, 2005

The November 2, 2005 meeting with Mrs. Twitty and the Strategic
Communications Task Force was an opportunity to exchange thoughts, facts and opinions between both parties. Both parties brought several issues forward. The consensus is that the primary goal of everyone involved is to find out what really happened to Natalee Holloway by allowing the investigators to carry out their work and hopefully bring this investigation to a conclusion.

The Task Force reaffirmed its concern and empathy for the suffering of the Holloway and Twitty families in this terrible situation, yet called their attention to the need to remain fair to the population of Aruba and not to engage in making requests which aim to interfere with the economic stability of our island. The Task Force brought forward their disappointment with the fact that, despite numerous efforts that have been made by the local community to find Ms. Holloway and the enormous expenses incurred by our small island, the community of Aruba is collectively being unfairly accused of a number of things. This has gone so far that there are now calls for Americans not to visit the island and a call for an economic boycott of the entire island of Aruba.

The response of Mrs. Twitty to these issues is that she never used the word boycott. The Task Force did inform Mrs. Twitty that she may not have used the word "boycott", but that her appearance on shows where she speaks with persons that call for a boycott while nodding her head in obvious agreement, represents an endorsement of such a call. The Task Force repeatedly made it clear to Mrs. Twitty that condemning a whole nation for an isolated case
(which remains under active investigation) is grossly unfair. Mrs. Twitty did state that this case was never about a single citizen of Aruba or anyone present in the meeting, yet rather about what she feels are barriers that exist in the police force and prosecutor’s office which prevent the case from moving forward.

Mr. Paul Reynolds reaffirmed in this meeting that he is absolutely against any call for an economic boycott of the island, and that he wants to reassure the population of Aruba that this has nothing to do with the community of Aruba.


When I discovered Ed Smith's identity I called Jamie Skeeters who in turn called Ed Smith / Roos who confirmed that he was indeed Edwin Roos. All Jamie did was call the number listed above.

While Aruban Authorities repeatedly threatened Beth Twitty with a variety of unpleasant future events, which could include shutting down the investigation into the disappearance of her Daughter Natalee, they worked in a concerted effort to deny her the JUSTICE they promised. This all occurred at the highest levels of the Aruban Government and used a variety of tactics to keep the Boycott from progressing.

Mrs. Twitty never once, to my knowledge, made any references to the VOLUNTARY Boycott of the Island of Aruba. With threats like she received, how could she? While working to assure no loss of revenue from the American Tourists, they left Natalee on the beach and lied to everyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 05, 2009, 03:44:22 PM
Somebody ... anybody ... please talk to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I'm going with you on this. I just don't believe anything will ever go right for us on this case.
We have been let down too many times.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 03:45:45 PM
Max was lost on Aruba on 5-12-2004 no investigation ! nothing !  

Max Devries would have been 18 years old now

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Max1-1.jpg)

Max and his Dad George

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/MaxandDadGeorge1.jpg)







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 05, 2009, 03:46:02 PM
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Translation: BRING EM ON!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 05, 2009, 03:50:00 PM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1894172/brinkman-bedreigd-met-in-elkaar-slaan.html
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4295478/Parlementair-overleg-Aruba-opgeschort.ece

meetings suspended.

because Aruban prime-minister and other ministers refused to give speeches.
Rudy Croes is on 'family visit' to the USA.
Croes: "I am not absent because of Brinkman but he deserves to be punched in the head".
Aruban chief of protocol Eric Brete also threatened to hit Brinkman.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)

How very professional of both Croes & Brete.   ::MonkeyRoll::

And Brete is the "Chief of Protocol"  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL.  Can you imagine the 'new' protocol he would establish if the meetings had not been cancelled?

"Okay.  Before any speeches are given, everyone will line up on the right side of the room and prepare to assault Hero Brinkman, after which we will have him carried out of the auditorium."

They will also have blow by blow photos, which is the norm down there.  Of course, none will show any Brinkman lands. 

BTW, is Joran really back in the NL?  Anyone know for sure?  Just wondering....

Life has been calling me here, causing me to read, post and scramble to accomplish other things.  Multi-tasking = Beat the Clock   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 03:51:24 PM
WHITE VAN PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE MARRIOTT IN ARU-BAY VIDEO

same van ?


(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/PossiblyVaninMissingVideo4.jpg)

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/2005-whiteVANcopy.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 05, 2009, 03:52:45 PM

Well the name does keep cropping up doesn't it.

Yes it does!With as much power and influence the Mansur's "Appear" to have on this island i think it's somewhat safe to say they must have some intimate knowledge of the TRUTH regarding the murder and cover-up of Natalee Holloway!

As well Truthseeker2.I asked a few pages back but didn't know if you saw it.Anything new regarding the Colombians,Jaime,Cmb bank,Gomez or swean?TIA

Sorry, I did not see your prior post.  (I'm mostly W/L today, but it has been quiet here for the last hour or so.)

I do not know anymore about the Mansurs.  Seems at times they are 100% behind the family, and then their name comes on things like this.  It's hard to pin it down.  I would think they have the 'island scoop' on everything.  But, if they do they aren't saying.  If the don't...them someone has replaced them as the bigwigs!

The Colombian question is difficult to track from a banking stand point.  All of the conficsated assests the U.S. has attached can be easily identified.  It's the ones they haved not attached yet that are hard.  I am tracking some aircraft that I have been interested in for a long time.  I get notifications everytime the registered planes takeoff or land.  The problem is they can only be tracked so far by the U.S.  Once they get to a certain point I do not always get data once they enter Colombian airspace.

I will keep watching, though.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 05, 2009, 03:53:04 PM
WHITE VAN PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE MARRIOTT IN ARU-BAY VIDEO

same van ?


(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/PossiblyVaninMissingVideo4.jpg)

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/2005-whiteVANcopy.jpg)

Nope! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 03:54:20 PM
They just think they want to fight!  My money would be on Hero Brinkman, taking any of those cowards on (with one hand tied behind his back!)!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Cowards, that's all they are....corrupt cowards!

I don't ever recall Rudy Croes visiting family in the USA!  Did he escort Val and Maki back to school or something?  Pale faced coward!  He probably knew that Hero would pull that wig off and shove it down his throat! 
  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

(Sorry, bad attitude I didn't want to go back to work today...)

They all cancelled their speeches so they wouldn't have to look anyone in the eye.  ::MonkeyNoNo::




If a MAJOR players is to be arrested would Rudy Croes not know?In the USA to save face to all his corrupt buddies??Just thoughts

GREAT CATCH!!!

I would love to know what power a well intended politician possesses to investigate a corrupt Aruban investigation.

Hey ... when Rudy Croes turned the investigation over to the Dutch investigators ... the outcome was zilch and ... apparently the Dutch investigators had the full cooperation of Aruba and ... freedom of access to all documentation in the Natalee Holloway case.

Who is going to assist Hero Brinkman in this investigation?  The Aruban and Dutch "powers that be" who ... through a coverup agenda for almost four years ... have denied justice to an 18 year old American citizen and ... put her family through a H--- on Earth.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 05, 2009, 03:54:49 PM
Max was lost on Aruba on 5-12-2004 no investigation ! nothing !  

Max Devries would have been 18 years old now

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Max1-1.jpg)

Max and his Dad George

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/MaxandDadGeorge1.jpg)







Just over one year later Natalee goes missing.  What was going on with the month of May in Aruba?  SoulBeach?  Or something else?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 03:57:39 PM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1894172/brinkman-bedreigd-met-in-elkaar-slaan.html
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4295478/Parlementair-overleg-Aruba-opgeschort.ece

meetings suspended.

because Aruban prime-minister and other ministers refused to give speeches.
Rudy Croes is on 'family visit' to the USA.
Croes: "I am not absent because of Brinkman but he deserves to be punched in the head".
Aruban chief of protocol Eric Brete also threatened to hit Brinkman.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)

Geez!!!!!  What the hell is WRONG with those people?!?!?! ::MonkeyEek::

If they treat Hero Brinkman this way imagine what Great and Beth and John Q. are in for.
(don't tell anyone I am on here at work. ha ha)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 03:59:44 PM
What if they arrest PVDS?  Could the cards fall?

YES!!!

Without a Aruban strategy ... THE HOUSE OF CARDS WILL COLLAPSE ... if Paulus van der Sloot is implicated.  However ... logic dictates that Aruba or Holland is not going to allow the house of cards to collapse.

I contend ... to avoid the domino effect ... there has been a negotiated outcome which implies that accountability will stop and end with a sacrificial lamb that has been predetermined.

I believe the sacrificial lamb will be either Joran van der Sloot or Jan vander Straaten.

1.  JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Joran was 17 years old at the time when Natalee Holloway went missing.  The consequences would imply a slap on the wrist.

2.  JAN VAN DER STRATTEN

Straaten will plead "not guilty" to the charges of making decisions within the first ten days of the investigation that implied a conflict of interest.  The Dutch judge will concur.  However ... Straaten will concede that "mistakes" that totally compromised the investigation and ... justice for Natalee Holloway can never be.

Think about it.  Wrong decisions are made every day within investigations in America and Canada ... wrong decisions that compromise justice for a victim.  Heads may roll but ... there are no legal ramifications.

An official apology will be afford the family of Natalee Holloway for an "incompetent" Aruban investigation.  However ... it is too late to turn back the clock.  Too bad; so sad.

Case Closed!!!

Janet



While I would tend to agree, I'm not sure that JQK and Beth would not see through that and refuse to accept it.

I agree.  However ... Aruba will make the futile attempt at appeasement.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 04:00:09 PM

Well the name does keep cropping up doesn't it.

Yes it does!With as much power and influence the Mansur's "Appear" to have on this island i think it's somewhat safe to say they must have some intimate knowledge of the TRUTH regarding the murder and cover-up of Natalee Holloway!

As well Truthseeker2.I asked a few pages back but didn't know if you saw it.Anything new regarding the Colombians,Jaime,Cmb bank,Gomez or swean?TIA

Sorry, I did not see your prior post.  (I'm mostly W/L today, but it has been quiet here for the last hour or so.)

I do not know anymore about the Mansurs.  Seems at times they are 100% behind the family, and then their name comes on things like this.  It's hard to pin it down.  I would think they have the 'island scoop' on everything.  But, if they do they aren't saying.  If the don't...them someone has replaced them as the bigwigs!

The Colombian question is difficult to track from a banking stand point.  All of the conficsated assests the U.S. has attached can be easily identified.  It's the ones they haved not attached yet that are hard.  I am tracking some aircraft that I have been interested in for a long time.  I get notifications everytime the registered planes takeoff or land.  The problem is they can only be tracked so far by the U.S.  Once they get to a certain point I do not always get data once they enter Colombian airspace.

I will keep watching, though.

Thanx Truthseeker2.Will await any other new information.I continue to go back to the families.There all intertwined at some level or another.Aruba needs tourism to cover-up all there corrupt activities,as well as make money!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 04:01:18 PM
STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)


And the placing of what was called "decoys" began immeidately at the behest of this group of people.  Some even posted attesting to this fact on the FP here at SM.

This is why I don't believe much of what came from posters from Aruba.  They all seemed to have an agenda they received via this organization which was already formed and in action ten days after Natalee disappeared.  By the time the prime suspects were arrested, this group was already in place and had their marching orderd and agenda in place.

This is one of the main reasons we were never able to find out the TRUTH about anything!  Talk about obstruction of Justice!  But they were also "assisting" in and had total access to all the information ALE collected.

Here is where the cover up began, IMO, and here is where it originated, was funded and why no one can seem to break it now.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 05, 2009, 04:05:54 PM
Does anyone know for sure where Joran is suppose to be? TIA  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 04:05:55 PM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1894172/brinkman-bedreigd-met-in-elkaar-slaan.html
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4295478/Parlementair-overleg-Aruba-opgeschort.ece

meetings suspended.

because Aruban prime-minister and other ministers refused to give speeches.
Rudy Croes is on 'family visit' to the USA.
Croes: "I am not absent because of Brinkman but he deserves to be punched in the head".
Aruban chief of protocol Eric Brete also threatened to hit Brinkman.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)

Geez!!!!!  What the hell is WRONG with those people?!?!?! ::MonkeyEek::

If they treat Hero Brinkman this way imagine what Great and Beth and John Q. are in for.
(don't tell anyone I am on here at work. ha ha)


Bunch of damned thugs!  They think they are entitled to protect tourism at the expense of truth and justice for Natalee and her family.  They actually think this is their right!

They are so wrong.  And with the economy as it is, they will be looking for somebody to blame yet again. 

Aruba had a choice in the beginning, a choice to arrest and prosecute.  They seemed to delude themselves that if they could just cast doubt, they would be OK. 

Well, now nothing will save their tourism in this economy so let's see what their next trick is.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 04:07:49 PM
They just think they want to fight!  My money would be on Hero Brinkman, taking any of those cowards on (with one hand tied behind his back!)!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Cowards, that's all they are....corrupt cowards!

I don't ever recall Rudy Croes visiting family in the USA!  Did he escort Val and Maki back to school or something?  Pale faced coward!  He probably knew that Hero would pull that wig off and shove it down his throat! 
  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

(Sorry, bad attitude I didn't want to go back to work today...)

They all cancelled their speeches so they wouldn't have to look anyone in the eye.  ::MonkeyNoNo::




If a MAJOR players is to be arrested would Rudy Croes not know?In the USA to save face to all his corrupt buddies??Just thoughts

GREAT CATCH!!!

I would love to know what power a well intended politician possesses to investigate a corrupt Aruban investigation.

Hey ... when Rudy Croes turned the investigation over to the Dutch investigators ... the outcome was zilch and ... apparently the Dutch investigators had the full cooperation of Aruba and ... freedom of access to all documentation in the Natalee Holloway case.

Who is going to assist Hero Brinkman in this investigation?  The Aruban and Dutch "powers that be" who ... through a coverup agenda for almost four years ... have denied justice to an 18 year old American citizen and ... put her family through a H--- on Earth.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

If the House of Cards were to collapse as a result of the domino effect of accountability ... the Dutch investigators are going to fall along with those who played a role in the events that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 ... those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who participated in the ensuing coverup ... the judiciary and ... the major players in Aruba's underground economy.

I firmly believe that an Aruban outcome has been negotiated ... an outcome that will prevent the house of cards from collapsing ... an outcome that dictates that a measure of  accountability will start and end with only one person ... maybe a few people.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 04:10:58 PM
Does anyone know for sure where Joran is suppose to be? TIA  ::MonkeyCool::


I have Dutch friends and relatives BOLO for information on Joran being there but they report seeing nothing.

Yet.

Maybe if he went back to NL it was to avoid the arrest by the Thai for attempting to traffic their young girls.  They can be very harsh legally when they want to be.  I believe Beth made reference to the movie Midnight Express to see the conditions of justice and imprisonment under many countries of the world?  So maybe Joran fears arrest and a Thai-style fixed trial and life in prison there.

I wonder if they use caning in Thailand as well.  Anyone know?  They may tolerate their own doing things we consider illegal but may not take kindly to foreigners trying to do the same sort of things.  Also have been trying to clean up their image of late with regard to sexual tourism.

Will report back if any sightings are verified by media but was told by someone who claims to check Telegraph and others "20 times a day" that there is nothing being reported in NL as yet.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 05, 2009, 04:14:25 PM
Does anyone know for sure where Joran is suppose to be? TIA  ::MonkeyCool::


I have Dutch friends and relatives BOLO for information on Joran being there but they report seeing nothing.

Yet.

Maybe if he went back to NL it was to avoid the arrest by the Thai for attempting to traffic their young girls.  They can be very harsh legally when they want to be.  I believe Beth made reference to the movie Midnight Express to see the conditions of justice and imprisonment under many countries of the world?  So maybe Joran fears arrest and a Thai-style fixed trial and life in prison there.

I wonder if they use caning in Thailand as well.  Anyone know?  They may tolerate their own doing things we consider illegal but may not take kindly to foreigners trying to do the same sort of things.  Also have been trying to clean up their image of late with regard to sexual tourism.

Will report back if any sightings are verified by media but was told by someone who claims to check Telegraph and others "20 times a day" that there is nothing being reported in NL as yet.


Thank You Anna!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 04:14:50 PM
They just think they want to fight!  My money would be on Hero Brinkman, taking any of those cowards on (with one hand tied behind his back!)!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Cowards, that's all they are....corrupt cowards!

I don't ever recall Rudy Croes visiting family in the USA!  Did he escort Val and Maki back to school or something?  Pale faced coward!  He probably knew that Hero would pull that wig off and shove it down his throat! 
  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

(Sorry, bad attitude I didn't want to go back to work today...)

They all cancelled their speeches so they wouldn't have to look anyone in the eye.  ::MonkeyNoNo::




If a MAJOR players is to be arrested would Rudy Croes not know?In the USA to save face to all his corrupt buddies??Just thoughts

GREAT CATCH!!!

I would love to know what power a well intended politician possesses to investigate a corrupt Aruban investigation.

Hey ... when Rudy Croes turned the investigation over to the Dutch investigators ... the outcome was zilch and ... apparently the Dutch investigators had the full cooperation of Aruba and ... freedom of access to all documentation in the Natalee Holloway case.

Who is going to assist Hero Brinkman in this investigation?  The Aruban and Dutch "powers that be" who ... through a coverup agenda for almost four years ... have denied justice to an 18 year old American citizen and ... put her family through a H--- on Earth.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

If the House of Cards were to collapse as a result of the domino effect of accountability ... the Dutch investigators are going to fall along with those who played a role in the events that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 ... those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who participated in the ensuing coverup ... the judiciary and ... the major players in Aruba's underground economy.

I firmly believe that an Aruban outcome has been negotiated ... an outcome that will prevent the house of cards from collapsing ... an outcome that dictates that a measure of  accountability will start and end with only one person ... maybe a few people.

Janet

 


This sounds reasonable, Janet.  And while absolute and total prosecution of every single soul involved would be best, it just might do to see a few get it instead of none.

But unless there are SLOOTS involved and prosecuted, I will never see it as justice.

Tossing somebody in the drink when they may still be alive is murder in my book.  Joran is NOT qualified to know if somebody was deceased or not.  I would never make such a call and I have had training.  He has had none and was a 17 yo drunk.

NO SLOOTS, NO JUSTICE in my opinion. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 04:17:32 PM
They just think they want to fight!  My money would be on Hero Brinkman, taking any of those cowards on (with one hand tied behind his back!)!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Cowards, that's all they are....corrupt cowards!

I don't ever recall Rudy Croes visiting family in the USA!  Did he escort Val and Maki back to school or something?  Pale faced coward!  He probably knew that Hero would pull that wig off and shove it down his throat! 
  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

(Sorry, bad attitude I didn't want to go back to work today...)

They all cancelled their speeches so they wouldn't have to look anyone in the eye.  ::MonkeyNoNo::




If a MAJOR players is to be arrested would Rudy Croes not know?In the USA to save face to all his corrupt buddies??Just thoughts

GREAT CATCH!!!

I would love to know what power a well intended politician possesses to investigate a corrupt Aruban investigation.

Hey ... when Rudy Croes turned the investigation over to the Dutch investigators ... the outcome was zilch and ... apparently the Dutch investigators had the full cooperation of Aruba and ... freedom of access to all documentation in the Natalee Holloway case.

Who is going to assist Hero Brinkman in this investigation?  The Aruban and Dutch "powers that be" who ... through a coverup agenda for almost four years ... have denied justice to an 18 year old American citizen and ... put her family through a H--- on Earth.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

If the House of Cards were to collapse as a result of the domino effect of accountability ... the Dutch investigators are going to fall along with those who played a role in the events that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 ... those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who participated in the ensuing coverup ... the judiciary and ... the major players in Aruba's underground economy.

I firmly believe that an Aruban outcome has been negotiated ... an outcome that will prevent the house of cards from collapsing ... an outcome that dictates that a measure of  accountability will start and end with only one person ... maybe a few people.

Janet

 

Sounds very likely to me!But ohh how wonderful it would be to drop the hammer "On the Record",of the actions that transpired,out in the oceans off of Aruba pertaining to The Persistence.Got one eye on the potential arrest but the other eye still hasn't left what transpired with the Persistence.ACCOUNTABILITY for the Persistence.. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 04:19:57 PM
AMIGOE.COM USES PROPAGANDA AND VICTIMIZES FAMILIES

While searching for information in the cases of those missing on Aruba, I come across all kinds of information. Some real and some totally FABRICATED.

Recently I came across a piece of info that I had somehow forgotten about. Amigoe.com got itself involved in the purposeful spreading of dis-information.

A 14-year-old boy was "lost at sea" in Aruba a year ago. No body was recovered. Amigoe.com now reports that there was a siting of the boy in Brazil.

http://aruba101.blogspot.com/2005/07/amigoecom-max-de-vries-alive-in-brazil.html (http://aruba101.blogspot.com/2005/07/amigoecom-max-de-vries-alive-in-brazil.html)

" The hotel employee has again confirmed to the Amigoe today that the police had informed the hotel that Max de Vries is probably alive. The boy is supposedly in Brazil. The American Insurance Company had asked the Aruban police for more information. "

Apparently that link no longer works, but I remembered the story as if it was yesterday. The Story originally ran in the online version of Amigoe.com and was used as a piece of propaganda to reach the intended audience in America.

Several questions immediately leap to mind.

1. Why is Amigoe.com using Hotel Workers as investigative sources? Are they not part of the AHATA? Hardly seems like a reliable source for a missing person.

2. This story ran on or about 7-14-2005. Why did Aruban Authorities feel it was important to distance themselves from the Max DeVries incident? Questions were now being asked about others missing on Aruba and the response from the Aruban Authorities was hardly reassuring. This could spiral out of control fast. They decided to begin to blame the VICTIMS for their own MISFORTUNE, otherwise known as CRIMINAL ACTS.

3. In an effort to make it appear that the story is REAL, the story implies that the Aruban Law Enforcement are actively pursuing information requested by an American Insurance Company. Why? This one is easy to answer. They shift the blame to someone other than themselves.

4. Who initiated this piece of PROGAGANDA? Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. He controls all communications on Aruba. When you control all communications, the BUCK STOPS THERE. He has no choice but to hold the ultimate responsibility even if others acted without his knowledge.

5. What was the story's ultimate purpose? The purpose is easily identified. It is again to make it appear as if Aruba did all it could to get a conclusion to Max's case even though they did nothing and in fact obfuscated the ISSUES.

6. According to the Aruban Authorities, Max was 'lost' in a tragic accident. Why the need to add this malicious act? Only on Aruba could someone come up with this 'extra' bit of pain already heaped on a grieving Family. Truly Heartless.

Apparently this piece got the attention of everyone on the NET, and got people talking about things other than Natalee Holloway.

SCUBAJAP Helps Out -

Re: the Max De Vries story-
This broke just around the time the brothers were released from jail, and had people thinking along different lines.
Max de Vries was not alone when he went out on a jet ski, he was with a family friend David Stacy, 56. Max's father had died 14 months before, and it could have been Mom's boyfriend, but I think that was kind of quick, so I don't know.
David Stacy reported that Max's jet ski stalled, and when he went to help Max, his stalled too.
David then claimed the jet ski's capsized and the two hung on. Max eventually tired, fell away and drifted off. Search and Rescue found David Stacy hanging on to the Jet skis I don't know how many hours later. Max could not be found.
Now supposedly, but this is rumor as far as I have been able to see, I haven't found anything to confirm it on the net anywhere,
David was arrested in the states on suspicion of murder because there was a very big life insurance policy on Max. Then it turns out that they brought the boy out of hiding in Brazil because it was all an insurance scam.
I was told by someone that they saw it being reported on CNN, I have not been able to find any reference to it anywhere, but maybe some of you have more time and experience with that.
This got a few people here thinking, but the police tell me there are no big insurance policies on Natalee.

Posted by: scubajap | Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 06:32 PM


Scubajap lies and confuses the real issue, searching for the TRUTH in the cases of those that became CRIME VICTIMS on Aruba.

Guess who is scubajab Bassie  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 04:21:23 PM
AMIGOE.COM USES PROPAGANDA AND VICTIMIZES FAMILIES

While searching for information in the cases of those missing on Aruba, I come across all kinds of information. Some real and some totally FABRICATED.

Recently I came across a piece of info that I had somehow forgotten about. Amigoe.com got itself involved in the purposeful spreading of dis-information.

A 14-year-old boy was "lost at sea" in Aruba a year ago. No body was recovered. Amigoe.com now reports that there was a siting of the boy in Brazil.

http://aruba101.blogspot.com/2005/07/amigoecom-max-de-vries-alive-in-brazil.html (http://aruba101.blogspot.com/2005/07/amigoecom-max-de-vries-alive-in-brazil.html)

" The hotel employee has again confirmed to the Amigoe today that the police had informed the hotel that Max de Vries is probably alive. The boy is supposedly in Brazil. The American Insurance Company had asked the Aruban police for more information. "

Apparently that link no longer works, but I remembered the story as if it was yesterday. The Story originally ran in the online version of Amigoe.com and was used as a piece of propaganda to reach the intended audience in America.

Several questions immediately leap to mind.

1. Why is Amigoe.com using Hotel Workers as investigative sources? Are they not part of the AHATA? Hardly seems like a reliable source for a missing person.

2. This story ran on or about 7-14-2005. Why did Aruban Authorities feel it was important to distance themselves from the Max DeVries incident? Questions were now being asked about others missing on Aruba and the response from the Aruban Authorities was hardly reassuring. This could spiral out of control fast. They decided to begin to blame the VICTIMS for their own MISFORTUNE, otherwise known as CRIMINAL ACTS.

3. In an effort to make it appear that the story is REAL, the story implies that the Aruban Law Enforcement are actively pursuing information requested by an American Insurance Company. Why? This one is easy to answer. They shift the blame to someone other than themselves.

4. Who initiated this piece of PROGAGANDA? Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. He controls all communications on Aruba. When you control all communications, the BUCK STOPS THERE. He has no choice but to hold the ultimate responsibility even if others acted without his knowledge.

5. What was the story's ultimate purpose? The purpose is easily identified. It is again to make it appear as if Aruba did all it could to get a conclusion to Max's case even though they did nothing and in fact obfuscated the ISSUES.

6. According to the Aruban Authorities, Max was 'lost' in a tragic accident. Why the need to add this malicious act? Only on Aruba could someone come up with this 'extra' bit of pain already heaped on a grieving Family. Truly Heartless.

Apparently this piece got the attention of everyone on the NET, and got people talking about things other than Natalee Holloway.

SCUBAJAP Helps Out -

Re: the Max De Vries story-
This broke just around the time the brothers were released from jail, and had people thinking along different lines.
Max de Vries was not alone when he went out on a jet ski, he was with a family friend David Stacy, 56. Max's father had died 14 months before, and it could have been Mom's boyfriend, but I think that was kind of quick, so I don't know.
David Stacy reported that Max's jet ski stalled, and when he went to help Max, his stalled too.
David then claimed the jet ski's capsized and the two hung on. Max eventually tired, fell away and drifted off. Search and Rescue found David Stacy hanging on to the Jet skis I don't know how many hours later. Max could not be found.
Now supposedly, but this is rumor as far as I have been able to see, I haven't found anything to confirm it on the net anywhere,
David was arrested in the states on suspicion of murder because there was a very big life insurance policy on Max. Then it turns out that they brought the boy out of hiding in Brazil because it was all an insurance scam.
I was told by someone that they saw it being reported on CNN, I have not been able to find any reference to it anywhere, but maybe some of you have more time and experience with that.
This got a few people here thinking, but the police tell me there are no big insurance policies on Natalee.

Posted by: scubajap | Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 06:32 PM


Scubajap lies and confuses the real issue, searching for the TRUTH in the cases of those that became CRIME VICTIMS on Aruba.

Guess who is scubajab Bassie  ::MonkeyHaHa::



   source:    http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 04:24:07 PM

<snipped>

I firmly believe that an Aruban outcome has been negotiated ... an outcome that will prevent the house of cards from collapsing ... an outcome that dictates that a measure of  accountability will start and end with only one person ... maybe a few people.

Janet

 


This sounds reasonable, Janet.  And while absolute and total prosecution of every single soul involved would be best, it just might do to see a few get it instead of none.

But unless there are SLOOTS involved and prosecuted, I will never see it as justice.

Tossing somebody in the drink when they may still be alive is murder in my book.  Joran is NOT qualified to know if somebody was deceased or not.  I would never make such a call and I have had training.  He has had none and was a 17 yo drunk.

NO SLOOTS, NO JUSTICE in my opinion. 

Not for me.  Not by a long ways.

Joran van der Sloot was 17th years old on May 30, 2005.  He will receive a slap on the wrist as a consequence for his actions.

Paulus van der Sloot gets a free pass from the consequences of obstructing the investigation.  He is a family member of the main suspect.

Jan Vander Straaten will get a free pass from a legal perspective for making "wrong decision" in the first ten days of the investigation ... "wrong decisions" that totally compromised the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Janet

+++++++++

‘The Abrams Report’ for June 30
updated 10:30 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 1, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 04:24:46 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ARUBA-truth.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 04:27:57 PM
That was one of the first scams run by ALE, to try to say Max DeVries was an insurance scam and then take that to the next step that so was Natalee Holloway.

This is some serious slander and some Max DeVries' mother certainly did NOT deserve.  And that David Stacey person was staying at the same hotel, they never met him before.  Certainly no "boyfriend" as we can always depend on TPTB in Aruba to but a salacious spin on any and everything. 

That's their specialty, victim bashing.  Doesn't sit well in this country at all but they seem to have yet to figure that one out.  We don't ever buy that someone deserved to be murdered or made to disappear no matter what.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 04:30:42 PM
Maybe Joran changed his story to trafficking because there are no Aruban laws in place against it as they seem to drag their feet on passing normal legislation to prevent these kinds of things.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 04:36:02 PM

Not for me.  Not by a long ways.

Joran van der Sloot was 17th years old on May 30, 2005.  He will receive a slap on the wrist as a consequence for his actions.

Paulus van der Sloot gets a free pass from the consequences of obstructing the investigation.  He is a family member of the main suspect.

Jan Vander Straaten will get a free pass from a legal perspective for making "wrong decision" in the first ten days of the investigation ... "wrong decisions" that totally compromised the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Janet

+++++++++

‘The Abrams Report’ for June 30
updated 10:30 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 1, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777





That business about exonerating family members is about the stupidest law I ever heard of in my life.  It just begs for obstruction to take place.  Much more concern for the perp than the victim by far.

I sure hope this is not what happens but it is difficult to see much else going down as it would be just about impossible to prove without someone on the inside telling all and don't see that happening.

Does Aruba really want to be the place known as where Natalee disappeared and no one ever went to jail for it?  Suspended in time forever as just that place?

Evidently, they do and think they can cause people to forget.  Guess it is our job to see that people don't forget.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 04:42:19 PM
They just think they want to fight!  My money would be on Hero Brinkman, taking any of those cowards on (with one hand tied behind his back!)!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Cowards, that's all they are....corrupt cowards!

I don't ever recall Rudy Croes visiting family in the USA!  Did he escort Val and Maki back to school or something?  Pale faced coward!  He probably knew that Hero would pull that wig off and shove it down his throat! 
  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

(Sorry, bad attitude I didn't want to go back to work today...)

They all cancelled their speeches so they wouldn't have to look anyone in the eye.  ::MonkeyNoNo::




If a MAJOR players is to be arrested would Rudy Croes not know?In the USA to save face to all his corrupt buddies??Just thoughts

GREAT CATCH!!!

I would love to know what power a well intended politician possesses to investigate a corrupt Aruban investigation.

Hey ... when Rudy Croes turned the investigation over to the Dutch investigators ... the outcome was zilch and ... apparently the Dutch investigators had the full cooperation of Aruba and ... freedom of access to all documentation in the Natalee Holloway case.

Who is going to assist Hero Brinkman in this investigation?  The Aruban and Dutch "powers that be" who ... through a coverup agenda for almost four years ... have denied justice to an 18 year old American citizen and ... put her family through a H--- on Earth.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

If the House of Cards were to collapse as a result of the domino effect of accountability ... the Dutch investigators are going to fall along with those who played a role in the events that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 ... those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who participated in the ensuing coverup ... the judiciary and ... the major players in Aruba's underground economy.

I firmly believe that an Aruban outcome has been negotiated ... an outcome that will prevent the house of cards from collapsing ... an outcome that dictates that a measure of  accountability will start and end with only one person ... maybe a few people.

Janet

 

Sounds very likely to me!But ohh how wonderful it would be to drop the hammer "On the Record",of the actions that transpired,out in the oceans off of Aruba pertaining to The Persistence.Got one eye on the potential arrest but the other eye still hasn't left what transpired with the Persistence.ACCOUNTABILITY for the Persistence.. ::MonkeyDance::

I am not sure but ... the way I comprehend ... there are legal issues why the Natalee's Freebirds could not expose the Persistence deception through the usual means of  documentation.  Maybe this same legality prevents the family from exposing the truth.

The Persistence undertaking was a private venture and ... the owner Louis Shaeffer owns the copywrite to the ROV images.  The legality of publishing Kyle's own words submitted under a confidentiality agreement to an internet forum ... words exposing the suspicious happenings that may have been the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... may be an issue.

In other words ... if the Persistence story is ever to be told ... it will be told by Louis Shaeffer from the perspective of John Silvetti.

IMO.

Maybe one of our Monkey Freebirds could expand.

Janet.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 05, 2009, 04:43:14 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ARUBA-truth.jpg)

I love this pic but . . but . . where is Peter? ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: EURobert on January 05, 2009, 04:45:27 PM
Here Hero Brinkman being threatened at Aruba in Dutch Spitsnieuws:

http://tinyurl.com/7aybyz

BTW: I was wondering... Last Thursday (1 January) Steve Holloway posted a Newyearswish on the SM Blog and concluding with this sentence: "I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more.."

Has anyone any idea what he meant by that? Any developments?
I remember that later that day I thought: I hope he's not going to do anything unwise.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 04:46:09 PM
They just think they want to fight!  My money would be on Hero Brinkman, taking any of those cowards on (with one hand tied behind his back!)!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Cowards, that's all they are....corrupt cowards!

I don't ever recall Rudy Croes visiting family in the USA!  Did he escort Val and Maki back to school or something?  Pale faced coward!  He probably knew that Hero would pull that wig off and shove it down his throat! 
  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

(Sorry, bad attitude I didn't want to go back to work today...)

They all cancelled their speeches so they wouldn't have to look anyone in the eye.  ::MonkeyNoNo::




If a MAJOR players is to be arrested would Rudy Croes not know?In the USA to save face to all his corrupt buddies??Just thoughts

GREAT CATCH!!!

I would love to know what power a well intended politician possesses to investigate a corrupt Aruban investigation.

Hey ... when Rudy Croes turned the investigation over to the Dutch investigators ... the outcome was zilch and ... apparently the Dutch investigators had the full cooperation of Aruba and ... freedom of access to all documentation in the Natalee Holloway case.

Who is going to assist Hero Brinkman in this investigation?  The Aruban and Dutch "powers that be" who ... through a coverup agenda for almost four years ... have denied justice to an 18 year old American citizen and ... put her family through a H--- on Earth.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

If the House of Cards were to collapse as a result of the domino effect of accountability ... the Dutch investigators are going to fall along with those who played a role in the events that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 ... those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who participated in the ensuing coverup ... the judiciary and ... the major players in Aruba's underground economy.

I firmly believe that an Aruban outcome has been negotiated ... an outcome that will prevent the house of cards from collapsing ... an outcome that dictates that a measure of  accountability will start and end with only one person ... maybe a few people.

Janet

 

Sounds very likely to me!But ohh how wonderful it would be to drop the hammer "On the Record",of the actions that transpired,out in the oceans off of Aruba pertaining to The Persistence.Got one eye on the potential arrest but the other eye still hasn't left what transpired with the Persistence.ACCOUNTABILITY for the Persistence.. ::MonkeyDance::

I am not sure but ... the way I comprehend ... there are legal issues why the Natalee's Freebirds could not expose the Persistence deception through the usual means of  documentation.  Maybe this same legality prevents the family from exposing the truth.

The Persistence undertaking was a private venture and ... the owner Louis Shaeffer owns the copywrite to the ROV images.  The legality of publishing Kyle's own words submitted under a confidentiality agreement to an internet forum ... words exposing the suspicious happenings that may have been the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... may be an issue.

In other words ... if the Persistence story is ever to be told ... it will be told by Louis Shaeffer from the perspective of John Silvetti.

IMO.

Maybe one of our Monkey Freebirds could expand.

Janet.   

Bring it on Schaeffer! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 04:50:27 PM
The desperation of the Arubans is usually in direct proportion to the number of empty rooms at any given time.

If they are threatening to punch members of Parliament in the head, it would indicate a larger than normal number of vacancies, IMO.

Would love to see the stats for last year but it always seems to take them at least a quarter to even report.  Manana syndrome or something. 

But sounds to me as though there are sufficient vacancies or promote public threats of violence.  How many that takes I do not know. 

Also am hoping Greta will be reporting live even though the rate to do so is very expensive now.  I hope she doesn't save all the film, etc. to do a program on this later as she did with Joran and his latest confessions!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 05, 2009, 04:51:22 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ARUBA-truth.jpg)

I love this pic but . . but . . where is Peter? ::MonkeyShocked::

Quote
Wat kunt u wat Peter R. de Vries niet kan?
,,Ik wil voorkomen dat de zaak in de doofpot raakt. Want dat dreigt nu te gebeuren. Peter R. de Vries heeft mij bijgepraat en ik heb ongeveer alles over de zaak gelezen, zodat ik goed ben voorbereid. En ik heb afgesproken dat ik hem alles vertel wat ik te weten kom.''
http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2009/januari/02/pvv-er-brinkman-uit-zijn-kritiek-op-zaak-holloway


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 04:52:22 PM
Here Hero Brinkman being threatened at Aruba in Dutch Spitsnieuws:

http://tinyurl.com/7aybyz

BTW: I was wondering... Last Thursday (1 January) Steve Holloway posted a Newyearswish on the SM Blog and concluding with this sentence: "I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more.."

Has anyone any idea what he meant by that? Any developments?
I remember that later that day I thought: I hope he's not going to do anything unwise.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::


1.  Steve Holloway on January 1st, 2009 10:56 am

Happy New Year to everyone.

I hope this year will be the return of our Lord. I pray many will turn to Him before He comes and if I can help in any small way, I will.

I hope to have been an example of how a Christain person should live for Jesus.

I hope I have never been a stumbling block to anyone. I pray you will forgive me for my sins as I pray God will forgive me.

I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more..

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/01/happy-new-years-2009/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 04:55:03 PM
Here Hero Brinkman being threatened at Aruba in Dutch Spitsnieuws:

http://tinyurl.com/7aybyz

BTW: I was wondering... Last Thursday (1 January) Steve Holloway posted a Newyearswish on the SM Blog and concluding with this sentence: "I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more.."

Has anyone any idea what he meant by that? Any developments?
I remember that later that day I thought: I hope he's not going to do anything unwise.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::


1.  Steve Holloway on January 1st, 2009 10:56 am

Happy New Year to everyone.

I hope this year will be the return of our Lord. I pray many will turn to Him before He comes and if I can help in any small way, I will.

I hope to have been an example of how a Christain person should live for Jesus.

I hope I have never been a stumbling block to anyone. I pray you will forgive me for my sins as I pray God will forgive me.

I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more..

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/01/happy-new-years-2009/


I apologize if I was disrespectful when I did not acknowledge Steve Holloway's heartfelt prayer ... a prayer I sincerely appreciated.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 05, 2009, 04:55:37 PM
Hero Brinkman did not go empty-handed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 04:56:55 PM
Hero Brinkman did not go empty-handed.

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 05, 2009, 04:57:03 PM
Hero Brinkman did not go empty-handed.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 05, 2009, 04:57:16 PM
Here Hero Brinkman being threatened at Aruba in Dutch Spitsnieuws:

http://tinyurl.com/7aybyz

BTW: I was wondering... Last Thursday (1 January) Steve Holloway posted a Newyearswish on the SM Blog and concluding with this sentence: "I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more.."

Has anyone any idea what he meant by that? Any developments?
I remember that later that day I thought: I hope he's not going to do anything unwise.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/images/brete1.jpg)
(http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/images/bedreig.jpg)

earlier last year:
(http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/images/arubafoteau.jpg)
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=NfAYDiwvmSM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 05, 2009, 04:57:18 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ARUBA-truth.jpg)

I love this pic but . . but . . where is Peter? ::MonkeyShocked::

Quote
Wat kunt u wat Peter R. de Vries niet kan?
,,Ik wil voorkomen dat de zaak in de doofpot raakt. Want dat dreigt nu te gebeuren. Peter R. de Vries heeft mij bijgepraat en ik heb ongeveer alles over de zaak gelezen, zodat ik goed ben voorbereid. En ik heb afgesproken dat ik hem alles vertel wat ik te weten kom.''
http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2009/januari/02/pvv-er-brinkman-uit-zijn-kritiek-op-zaak-holloway

I strongly feel that he will succeed  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 05, 2009, 04:58:04 PM
Hero Brinkman did not go empty-handed.
  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: EURobert on January 05, 2009, 04:59:17 PM
Here Hero Brinkman being threatened at Aruba in Dutch Spitsnieuws:

http://tinyurl.com/7aybyz

BTW: I was wondering... Last Thursday (1 January) Steve Holloway posted a Newyearswish on the SM Blog and concluding with this sentence: "I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more.."

Has anyone any idea what he meant by that? Any developments?
I remember that later that day I thought: I hope he's not going to do anything unwise.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::


1.  Steve Holloway on January 1st, 2009 10:56 am

Happy New Year to everyone.

I hope this year will be the return of our Lord. I pray many will turn to Him before He comes and if I can help in any small way, I will.

I hope to have been an example of how a Christain person should live for Jesus.

I hope I have never been a stumbling block to anyone. I pray you will forgive me for my sins as I pray God will forgive me.

I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more..

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/01/happy-new-years-2009/


It almost reads a bit as a goodbye letter don't you agree?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 04:59:32 PM
Kermit

Any idea why Eduardo Mansur was on the ship the whole time yet they kicked Tim Miller off cause he was a liability?  Did Kyle ever bring this up before?  Seems strange Eduardo got to stay the whole time yet Tim could not.  Thanks (thanks for all you do for this good nation of ours.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 05:00:18 PM
Hero Brinkman did not go empty-handed.

Kermit ... if you do not expand ... I am going to call you CAPS II.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Hey ... I made your grandmother's famous shoofly shoo pie for New Years Day and ... you were a no show.

Kermit ... I put it in the freezer and ... when you decide to hop over to Tamikosmom's heated pond again ... please feel free to hop over to the house and ... that pie can be thawed and warmed in no time.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 05:00:50 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ARUBA-truth.jpg)

I love this pic but . . but . . where is Peter? ::MonkeyShocked::

Quote
Wat kunt u wat Peter R. de Vries niet kan?
,,Ik wil voorkomen dat de zaak in de doofpot raakt. Want dat dreigt nu te gebeuren. Peter R. de Vries heeft mij bijgepraat en ik heb ongeveer alles over de zaak gelezen, zodat ik goed ben voorbereid. En ik heb afgesproken dat ik hem alles vertel wat ik te weten kom.''
http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2009/januari/02/pvv-er-brinkman-uit-zijn-kritiek-op-zaak-holloway


The comments section there says Beth got millions in donations and this was likely and insurance scam, etc.

Well, nothing could be farther from the truth and Beth works every day for a living.  There was no insurance on Natalee and while people are very generous, they are never THAT generous.  So much went to pay for trips to Aruba and attorneys, etc.  I have never figured out how a Texas based hotel chain giving her a discount was some how a gift from Aruba, lol. 

Can't they tell the truth about ANYTHING???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 05:01:50 PM
Hero Brinkman did not go empty-handed.

Kermit ... if you do not expand ... I am going to call you CAPS II.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Hey ... I made your grandmother's famous shoofly shoo pie for New Years Day and ... you were a no show.

Kermit ... I put it in the freezer and ... when you decide to hop over to Tamikosmom's heated pond again ... please feel free to hop over to the house and ... that pie can be thawed and warmed in no time.

Janet

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 05:02:28 PM
Max was lost on Aruba on 5-12-2004 no investigation ! nothing !  

Max Devries would have been 18 years old now

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Max1-1.jpg)

Max and his Dad George

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/MaxandDadGeorge1.jpg)







Just over one year later Natalee goes missing.  What was going on with the month of May in Aruba?  SoulBeach?  Or something else?

http://www.aruba.com/calendar/view_entry.php?id=329&date=20040530

SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Description: SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Date: Sunday, May 30, 2004 
Repeat Type: Wednesday, May 26, 2004  -  Monday, May 31, 2004 (every Day



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 05, 2009, 05:04:13 PM
Here Hero Brinkman being threatened at Aruba in Dutch Spitsnieuws:

http://tinyurl.com/7aybyz

BTW: I was wondering... Last Thursday (1 January) Steve Holloway posted a Newyearswish on the SM Blog and concluding with this sentence: "I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more.."

Has anyone any idea what he meant by that? Any developments?
I remember that later that day I thought: I hope he's not going to do anything unwise.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::


1.  Steve Holloway on January 1st, 2009 10:56 am

Happy New Year to everyone.

I hope this year will be the return of our Lord. I pray many will turn to Him before He comes and if I can help in any small way, I will.

I hope to have been an example of how a Christain person should live for Jesus.

I hope I have never been a stumbling block to anyone. I pray you will forgive me for my sins as I pray God will forgive me.

I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more..

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/01/happy-new-years-2009/


It almost reads a bit as a goodbye letter don't you agree?

Not at all Robert.  I can see you`re not a religious person ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 05:05:46 PM
Hero Brinkman did not go empty-handed.


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Very good to know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 05:06:36 PM
Here Hero Brinkman being threatened at Aruba in Dutch Spitsnieuws:

http://tinyurl.com/7aybyz

BTW: I was wondering... Last Thursday (1 January) Steve Holloway posted a Newyearswish on the SM Blog and concluding with this sentence: "I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more.."

Has anyone any idea what he meant by that? Any developments?
I remember that later that day I thought: I hope he's not going to do anything unwise.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::


1.  Steve Holloway on January 1st, 2009 10:56 am

Happy New Year to everyone.

I hope this year will be the return of our Lord. I pray many will turn to Him before He comes and if I can help in any small way, I will.

I hope to have been an example of how a Christain person should live for Jesus.

I hope I have never been a stumbling block to anyone. I pray you will forgive me for my sins as I pray God will forgive me.

I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more..

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/01/happy-new-years-2009/


It almost reads a bit as a goodbye letter don't you agree?

Not necessarily.  Only if Steve's hope is realized.

Something akin to Steve ... I realize the day of the Lord's returning is a given but ... I MY  hope is that He taries so that I can dance at my grandkids wedding and ... be around to enjoy all I have been blessed with.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 05:09:58 PM
Hero Brinkman did not go empty-handed.

Is the copy of Beth Holloway's LOVING NATALEE and Dave Holloway's CORRUPTION IN PARADISE ... that youngest son's Dutch American FIL mailed to Hero Brinkman ... in his briefcase.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 05, 2009, 05:12:57 PM
discussions on Aruba have started after a 6 hour delay.
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article1938185.ece/Parlementair_overleg_op_Aruba_verlaat_van_start.html

let's see what else the 'chief of protocol' has in store.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: EURobert on January 05, 2009, 05:13:30 PM
Here Hero Brinkman being threatened at Aruba in Dutch Spitsnieuws:

http://tinyurl.com/7aybyz

BTW: I was wondering... Last Thursday (1 January) Steve Holloway posted a Newyearswish on the SM Blog and concluding with this sentence: "I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more.."

Has anyone any idea what he meant by that? Any developments?
I remember that later that day I thought: I hope he's not going to do anything unwise.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::


1.  Steve Holloway on January 1st, 2009 10:56 am

Happy New Year to everyone.

I hope this year will be the return of our Lord. I pray many will turn to Him before He comes and if I can help in any small way, I will.

I hope to have been an example of how a Christain person should live for Jesus.

I hope I have never been a stumbling block to anyone. I pray you will forgive me for my sins as I pray God will forgive me.

I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more..

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/01/happy-new-years-2009/


It almost reads a bit as a goodbye letter don't you agree?

Not at all Robert.  I can see you`re not a religious person ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, maybe that's it.
I must admit: I haven't seen a church from the inside for a while...
So you think there's nothing to worry about? It sounded a bit dramatic to me. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on January 05, 2009, 05:16:05 PM

Not for me.  Not by a long ways.

Joran van der Sloot was 17th years old on May 30, 2005.  He will receive a slap on the wrist as a consequence for his actions.

Paulus van der Sloot gets a free pass from the consequences of obstructing the investigation.  He is a family member of the main suspect.

Jan Vander Straaten will get a free pass from a legal perspective for making "wrong decision" in the first ten days of the investigation ... "wrong decisions" that totally compromised the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Janet

+++++++++

‘The Abrams Report’ for June 30
updated 10:30 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 1, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777





That business about exonerating family members is about the stupidest law I ever heard of in my life.  It just begs for obstruction to take place.  Much more concern for the perp than the victim by far.

I sure hope this is not what happens but it is difficult to see much else going down as it would be just about impossible to prove without someone on the inside telling all and don't see that happening.

Does Aruba really want to be the place known as where Natalee disappeared and no one ever went to jail for it?  Suspended in time forever as just that place?

Evidently, they do and think they can cause people to forget.  Guess it is our job to see that people don't forget.

.

If there is no law and order in a place, what is the value of "innocent until proven guilty"?

What if some received "time served" or "spent in lockup" instead of additional jail time?  Maybe that was the point of some of those arrests?  Another excuse not to charge and prosecute?  Pass judgement?  "Well...they would only get Xmonths and they already spent Xmonths...so it's a wash."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 05:16:15 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ARUBA-truth.jpg)

I love this pic but . . but . . where is Peter? ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ani-peter-2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 05, 2009, 05:18:26 PM
Quote Tamikosmam
Quote
Not necessarily.  Only if Steve's hope is realized.

Something akin to Steve ... I realize the day of the Lord's returning is a given but ... I MY  hope is that He taries so that I can dance at my grandkids wedding and ... be around to enjoy all I have been blessed with.

 

Janet
::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 05, 2009, 05:21:24 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ARUBA-truth.jpg)

I love this pic but . . but . . where is Peter? ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ani-peter-2.gif)

LMAO oh yeah i forgot, he`s on a diving vacation right ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on January 05, 2009, 05:24:10 PM
Hero Brinkman did not go empty-handed.

I don't like to speculate...however...

Is it possible that in these cost cutting days he brought his own snack?  Maybe a bag lunch with a sandwich made from that Red Dutch cheese I've seen so many pictures of?

Maybe a crow bar in the other hand so that he could make a little room between the seats prior to sitting down?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 05, 2009, 05:26:18 PM
Kermit

Any idea why Eduardo Mansur was on the ship the whole time yet they kicked Tim Miller off cause he was a liability?  Did Kyle ever bring this up before?  Seems strange Eduardo got to stay the whole time yet Tim could not.  Thanks (thanks for all you do for this good nation of ours.)

I am certainly not the frog, but I can think of two reasons for
Eduardo Mansur to be aboard the Persistence.
1. To look after his father's interest in the endeavor.
2. Because he knew the waters




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: EURobert on January 05, 2009, 05:27:14 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 05:27:58 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 05:33:16 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::


Ah, so you say but how are we to know!


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 05, 2009, 05:34:18 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ARUBA-truth.jpg)

I love this pic but . . but . . where is Peter? ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ani-peter-2.gif)

YUM!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I swear he's winking at me!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 05:34:19 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.



Shhh.  Don't tell the other Monkeys ... they may think that Tamikosmom is being led astray but ... I think Peter Devries is very handsome too.  However ... I think George Clooney is even better looking.

I feel justified in "just" looking.  My husband once told me many years ago ... if Cindy Crawford gave him "the look" ... I would be history.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 05:35:25 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.



Shhh.  Don't tell the other Monkeys ... they may think that Tamikosmom is being led astray but ... I think Peter Devries is very handsome too.  However ... I think George Clooney is even better looking.

I feel justified in "just" looking.  My husband once told me many years ago ... if Cindy Crawford gave him "the look" ... I would be history.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet





Stay Focused Janet.Jussss kiddin.. ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 05:35:30 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on January 05, 2009, 05:36:44 PM
STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

This is SUCH an interesting list of people.

The Mansur family!

Serge Mansur/Strategic task force
Eduardo Mansur/Search and Rescue
Jossy Mansur/Diario

Is it just me or is there a problem with this?Throw a Banana at me monkey's if i'm crazy.... ::MonkeyConfused::

Well the name does keep cropping up doesn't it.


I need a refresher on the Aruban law (?) about any information that is publicly disclosed becomes ineligible for use in trial....

err.... or something like that.

I keep thinking about that when I think of Jossy. 

Can anyone go back over that for me?

TIA!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 05:42:15 PM
Here Hero Brinkman being threatened at Aruba in Dutch Spitsnieuws:

http://tinyurl.com/7aybyz

BTW: I was wondering... Last Thursday (1 January) Steve Holloway posted a Newyearswish on the SM Blog and concluding with this sentence: "I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more.."

Has anyone any idea what he meant by that? Any developments?
I remember that later that day I thought: I hope he's not going to do anything unwise.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::


1.  Steve Holloway on January 1st, 2009 10:56 am

Happy New Year to everyone.

I hope this year will be the return of our Lord. I pray many will turn to Him before He comes and if I can help in any small way, I will.

I hope to have been an example of how a Christain person should live for Jesus.

I hope I have never been a stumbling block to anyone. I pray you will forgive me for my sins as I pray God will forgive me.

I will say this about Natalee….the story is not over..things are in the works…I can’t say no more..

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/01/happy-new-years-2009/


It almost reads a bit as a goodbye letter don't you agree?

Not at all Robert.  I can see you`re not a religious person ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, maybe that's it.
I must admit: I haven't seen a church from the inside for a while...
So you think there's nothing to worry about? It sounded a bit dramatic to me. ::MonkeyEek::

Steve Holloway is an exceptional human being.  His words speak volumes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 05:44:29 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ARUBA-truth.jpg)

I love this pic but . . but . . where is Peter? ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ani-peter-2.gif)

VERY nice looking man.  Yes he really needs in the picture.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 05:46:46 PM
Kermit

Any idea why Eduardo Mansur was on the ship the whole time yet they kicked Tim Miller off cause he was a liability?  Did Kyle ever bring this up before?  Seems strange Eduardo got to stay the whole time yet Tim could not.  Thanks (thanks for all you do for this good nation of ours.)

I am certainly not the frog, but I can think of two reasons for
Eduardo Mansur to be aboard the Persistence.
1. To look after his father's interest in the endeavor.
2. Because he knew the waters




What do you think his father's interest is?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: EURobert on January 05, 2009, 05:46:48 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::


Ah, so you say but how are we to know!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


You probably won't believe me if I tell you I look like this guy (seeing Tamikosmom talk about Cindy Crawford)

http://tinyurl.com/7phb4g

So let's forget it....  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Poochy on January 05, 2009, 05:46:51 PM
Max was lost on Aruba on 5-12-2004 no investigation ! nothing !  

Max Devries would have been 18 years old now

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Max1-1.jpg)

Max and his Dad George

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/MaxandDadGeorge1.jpg)







Just over one year later Natalee goes missing.  What was going on with the month of May in Aruba?  SoulBeach?  Or something else?

http://www.aruba.com/calendar/view_entry.php?id=329&date=20040530

SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Description: SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Date: Sunday, May 30, 2004 
Repeat Type: Wednesday, May 26, 2004  -  Monday, May 31, 2004 (every Day



...follow the music.....


Found a post about a missing girl in a town called Dordrecht. Turned out she had been taken after a concert by a band called http://www.dicemen.net/

Coincidentally, posts by a Shango seem to refer to this band by name:

http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html

Unfortunately most search results are in Dutch!

Posted by: COLUMBO | Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 05:14 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 05:47:18 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::

Really?   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 05, 2009, 05:49:04 PM
I am not sure but ... the way I comprehend ... there are legal issues why the Natalee's Freebirds could not expose the Persistence deception through the usual means of  documentation.  Maybe this same legality prevents the family from exposing the truth.

The Persistence undertaking was a private venture and ... the owner Louis Shaeffer owns the copywrite to the ROV images.  The legality of publishing Kyle's own words submitted under a confidentiality agreement to an internet forum ... words exposing the suspicious happenings that may have been the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... may be an issue.

In other words ... if the Persistence story is ever to be told ... it will be told by Louis Shaeffer from the perspective of John Silvetti.

IMO.

Maybe one of our Monkey Freebirds could expand.

Janet.   

I am hoping that there is a reason for Kermit's timing and expose here on SM. I am hoping that it is just one part of a bigger plan.
Will I be disappointed Kermit?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 05:49:35 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::

Really?   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::

Blue Moon!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 05:51:04 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::

Really?   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::

Blue Moon!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WHAT Janet?   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 05, 2009, 05:51:16 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
I will always think of you as twice as handsome as Peter R. deVries.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 05:53:56 PM
O.K. women, time to settle down. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 05:55:46 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::

Really?   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::

Blue Moon!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WHAT Janet?   ::MonkeyWink::

Just calm down.  Take a very deep breath.  Now direct your focus off of your Robert visualization and ... back on the Natalee Holloway case.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 05, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
O.K. women, time to settle down. ::MonkeyHaHa::

And there were a couple of men tooting their horns.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 05:59:07 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::


Ah, so you say but how are we to know!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


You probably won't believe me if I tell you I look like this guy (seeing Tamikosmom talk about Cindy Crawford)

http://tinyurl.com/7phb4g

So let's forget it....  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Richard Gere is only a 5 but Peter R is a 10!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 06:00:51 PM
STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

This is SUCH an interesting list of people.

The Mansur family!

Serge Mansur/Strategic task force
Eduardo Mansur/Search and Rescue
Jossy Mansur/Diario

Is it just me or is there a problem with this?Throw a Banana at me monkey's if i'm crazy.... ::MonkeyConfused::

Well the name does keep cropping up doesn't it.


I need a refresher on the Aruban law (?) about any information that is publicly disclosed becomes ineligible for use in trial....

err.... or something like that.

I keep thinking about that when I think of Jossy. 

Can anyone go back over that for me?

TIA!!


Great questions!Anyone know?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: JuJu on January 05, 2009, 06:00:52 PM
Will somebody give me some cliff notes or something!!  I have only recently been able to get back to the cage.  Been working like a crazy person for a year.  I was in the Caylee thread and someone mentioned something about Nat.  And what about the Persistance?  TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 05, 2009, 06:02:06 PM
Max was lost on Aruba on 5-12-2004 no investigation ! nothing !  

Max Devries would have been 18 years old now

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Max1-1.jpg)

Max and his Dad George

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/MaxandDadGeorge1.jpg)







Just over one year later Natalee goes missing.  What was going on with the month of May in Aruba?  SoulBeach?  Or something else?

http://www.aruba.com/calendar/view_entry.php?id=329&date=20040530

SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Description: SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Date: Sunday, May 30, 2004 
Repeat Type: Wednesday, May 26, 2004  -  Monday, May 31, 2004 (every Day



...follow the music.....


Found a post about a missing girl in a town called Dordrecht. Turned out she had been taken after a concert by a band called http://www.dicemen.net/

Coincidentally, posts by a Shango seem to refer to this band by name:

http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html

Unfortunately most search results are in Dutch!

Posted by: COLUMBO | Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 05:14 PM

Thank You Poochy...I for One find this Very Interesting!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: JuJu on January 05, 2009, 06:03:01 PM
O.K. women, time to settle down. ::MonkeyHaHa::

And there were a couple of men tooting their horns.... ::MonkeyWink::

I don't wnat a man that is tooting his own horn  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 05, 2009, 06:03:17 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::

Really?   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::

Blue Moon!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WHAT Janet?   ::MonkeyWink::

Just calm down.  Take a very deep breath.  Now direct your focus off of your Robert visualization and ... back on the Natalee Holloway case.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


ROFL . . take that Robert ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on January 05, 2009, 06:05:45 PM
STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

This is SUCH an interesting list of people.

The Mansur family!

Serge Mansur/Strategic task force
Eduardo Mansur/Search and Rescue
Jossy Mansur/Diario

Is it just me or is there a problem with this?Throw a Banana at me monkey's if i'm crazy.... ::MonkeyConfused::

Well the name does keep cropping up doesn't it.


I need a refresher on the Aruban law (?) about any information that is publicly disclosed becomes ineligible for use in trial....

err.... or something like that.

I keep thinking about that when I think of Jossy. 

Can anyone go back over that for me?

TIA!!


That is one of the great mysteries of Aruban/Dutch law.  Something related to privacy.

Over the years, I've wondered...no jury, just a "professional" prosecutor and judge, so why would publicity even matter?

Why would public disclosure of facts have any standing in the case?

I also recall that the right to lie, or be less than truthful also extends to lawyers and what they may choose to reveal about the case to the public or media.  

It's a system hidden behind closed doors.  Any accountability?  Any review?

jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: EURobert on January 05, 2009, 06:06:52 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::


Ah, so you say but how are we to know!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


You probably won't believe me if I tell you I look like this guy (seeing Tamikosmom talk about Cindy Crawford)

http://tinyurl.com/7phb4g

So let's forget it....  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Richard Gere is only a 5 but Peter R is a 10!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I forgot to say: RG in his best years!

OK Goodnight you all. I'm off to bed now. It's going to be a cold night over here in the NL's: -15˚ C to -20˚ C [= F 5˚ to -4˚ ? ]


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 05, 2009, 06:09:46 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic. Red said "the stars are aligning", Steve Holloway's "message", and the mere fact Beth is in Aruba make me hopeful that something is pre-negotiated here. I do not think Beth would ever go to Aruba again without a "guarantee".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on January 05, 2009, 06:18:23 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::


Ah, so you say but how are we to know!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


You probably won't believe me if I tell you I look like this guy (seeing Tamikosmom talk about Cindy Crawford)

http://tinyurl.com/7phb4g

So let's forget it....  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Richard Gere is only a 5 but Peter R is a 10!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I will take either one Anna.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 05, 2009, 06:20:40 PM
Will somebody give me some cliff notes or something!!  I have only recently been able to get back to the cage.  Been working like a crazy person for a year.  I was in the Caylee thread and someone mentioned something about Nat.  And what about the Persistance?  TIA

You can look here for info on the Persistence...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: snoopy on January 05, 2009, 06:20:53 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic. Red said "the stars are aligning", Steve Holloway's "message", and the mere fact Beth is in Aruba make me hopeful that something is pre-negotiated here. I do not think Beth would ever go to Aruba again without a "guarantee".

Me too wreck.  Please please let this be it.  Justice for Natalee and to bring her home.

I know we've been through this so many times, and the last time I promised myself that I would never get too hopeful, but I can't help it.  For some reason this time feels different.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 05, 2009, 06:23:05 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic. Red said "the stars are aligning", Steve Holloway's "message", and the mere fact Beth is in Aruba make me hopeful that something is pre-negotiated here. I do not think Beth would ever go to Aruba again without a "guarantee".

Me too wreck.  Please please let this be it.  Justice for Natalee and to bring her home.

I know we've been through this so many times, and the last time I promised myself that I would never get too hopeful, but I can't help it.  For some reason this time feels different.

I with ya - cautiously, though.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Poochy on January 05, 2009, 06:27:31 PM
Max was lost on Aruba on 5-12-2004 no investigation ! nothing !  

Max Devries would have been 18 years old now

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Max1-1.jpg)

Max and his Dad George

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/MaxandDadGeorge1.jpg)







Just over one year later Natalee goes missing.  What was going on with the month of May in Aruba?  SoulBeach?  Or something else?

http://www.aruba.com/calendar/view_entry.php?id=329&date=20040530

SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Description: SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Date: Sunday, May 30, 2004 
Repeat Type: Wednesday, May 26, 2004  -  Monday, May 31, 2004 (every Day



...follow the music.....


Found a post about a missing girl in a town called Dordrecht. Turned out she had been taken after a concert by a band called http://www.dicemen.net/

Coincidentally, posts by a Shango seem to refer to this band by name:

http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html

Unfortunately most search results are in Dutch!

Posted by: COLUMBO | Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 05:14 PM

Thank You Poochy...I for One find this Very Interesting!  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyCool::

I'm sure you read all about Max on his website. What always intrigued me was the guy who befriended him - and caused him to go missing. And this man introduced another guy as his 'adopted son', and both were the airport with minimal amount of luggage - not the amount one would take if staying for a week at the H.I. When I googled that guy's name I found an interesting 'accident' in the USA where a motorcyclist got sandwiched between two trucks, and a guy w/the same exact name as the last person seeing Max was driving one of them.

makes one wonder if they trade people for $ to pay off their gambling debts...

Dicemen  --what an interesting name for a band... they must like to gamble I guess.... they must like Aruba because not many islands have casinos/gambling. Wonder if they were in Aruba in 2005 for the SBMF.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 06:28:57 PM
Will somebody give me some cliff notes or something!!  I have only recently been able to get back to the cage.  Been working like a crazy person for a year.  I was in the Caylee thread and someone mentioned something about Nat.  And what about the Persistance?   TIA

THE DECEPTION OF THE PERSISTENCE UNDERTAKING

The undertaking of the Persistence appears to have been a self-serving endeavor on the part of John Silvetti to locate Natalee Holloway's remains for the sole purpose of assisting to provide a FINALE TO THE ARUBAN COVERUP.
 
Kyle Kingman, was on board the Persistence in an official capacity for the entire search effort.  Following the retrieval of the contents of the cage/trap ... this young man had concerns.

Along with ROV images of the cage/trap that had not been turned over to the ALE and ... his heartfelt concerns ... Kyle returned to the United States with the intention of turning the ROV images of the cage/trap over to the FBI and/or the family of Natalee Holloway as well as sharing his concerns.  Unfortunately ... Kyle had a change of heart and began negotiating with major networks for the rights to the ROV images.

When Kyle's analysis of the ROV images is considered ... it appeared that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been inside the trap/cage.  However ... considering the ALE retrieved the contents and ... the crew of the Persistence were not participants to the recovery process ... were not participants to the chain of command ... there is no conclusive proof.

The FBI as well as Beth Holloway have recently been in receipt of the ROV images.  However ... NOBODY involved in the Persistence search effort were involved in this initiative.

If Natalee Holloway's remains were in that cage/trap ... it must be exposed.  Justice for an eighteen year old American and ... closure for her family demands it.

'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/

Janet

++++++++++
 
 
KYLE KINGMAN POSTS - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS' FORUM

Kyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th

Kyle: None of us gave any statements to the authorities after the 29th. It's possible John Silvetti did, because he was the only one conversing with them after Jan 7th.

Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kyle: In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric

Kyle: The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle: John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis

Kyle: John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word

Kyle: John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability

Kyle: John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again.

Kyle: Schafer is sue crazy.

Kyle: I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.

Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kyle: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Kyle: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

Kyle: I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.

Klye: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.

Kyle: neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

kyle: Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat. You may see a glimpse of him on the Dateline video in the survey room along with Mos standing over my shoulder
 
 
KYLE KINGMAN'S POST - THE SCARED MONKEYS' FORUM

oceanexploration: "We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.    The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE."
 
 
BROTHER OF BETH HOLLOWAY'S POST - THE SCARED MONKEYS' FORUM

Private Eye: "If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy.  I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed."
 
 
THE ROV IMAGES

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #408 on: November 24, 2008, 03:59:08 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618
 
 
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #410 on: November 24, 2008, 04:01:55 PM »

Photos given to the FBI sent to Dave and Robin posted on the internet are NOT the
photos posted above.  These were not given to the FBI until recently.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555621#msg555621
 
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Kyle Kingman
Senior Geophysical Project Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Greater New York City Area


Current
Senior Geophysical Operations Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
 
Past
Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
 
Education
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick
 
Industry
Oil & Energy
 
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 06:30:39 PM
More than one instance of assault of tourist on Buses!   ::MonkeyShocked::

1/5/2009 Bondia

http://bondia.com/

(http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2009/januari/05/sospechoso2.jpg) (http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2009/januari/05/sospechoso3.jpg)
(http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2009/januari/05/sospechoso4.jpg) (http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2009/januari/05/sospechoso5.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

oranjestad – eye attentive of one police at civil owing to conduci at detencion of three young sospecha of owing to atraca-horta two tourist yesterday evening. for more or less 9.30 of night alarma owing to wordo beat for patruyanan is alerto for one tercel blanco numera a-38747 in cual will have three young. they're wordo sospecha of owing to atraca one tourist near of parada of bus at beach. while cu police is provided that busca of the sospechosonan here, alarma is wordo beat alrededor of 11’or of night for another abstraction casi in the same style near of paseo herencia. the modus operandi is cu the ladronnan owing to descend tire of two car of huur, sperando cual is arrive first. the first tourist cu owing to arrive y constata cu the tirenan owing to wordo descend, owing to achieve “ayudo” of one of the sospechosonan. at same instant, one of the another sospechosonan owing to arrive, ranca bag of the tourist y they owing to descend at water. one taxista cu owing to see thing cu owing to happen, owing to beat alarma close police. one rato after central of police is wordo avisa door of one colega of they civil, cu past owing to see the tercel provided that cuestion fast one parillada at ponton. at once owing to send refuerso policial y so owing to succeed detene all three sospechoso. seems cu already they owing to come y drink in the restaurant y owing to pay cu dollars. the caso is under investigacion come across

1/5/2009 Bondia Page 18a

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/01052009Bondia18aaa.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 06:32:15 PM
Max was lost on Aruba on 5-12-2004 no investigation ! nothing !  

Max Devries would have been 18 years old now

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Max1-1.jpg)

Max and his Dad George

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/MaxandDadGeorge1.jpg)







Just over one year later Natalee goes missing.  What was going on with the month of May in Aruba?  SoulBeach?  Or something else?

http://www.aruba.com/calendar/view_entry.php?id=329&date=20040530

SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Description: SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Date: Sunday, May 30, 2004 
Repeat Type: Wednesday, May 26, 2004  -  Monday, May 31, 2004 (every Day



...follow the music.....


Found a post about a missing girl in a town called Dordrecht. Turned out she had been taken after a concert by a band called http://www.dicemen.net/

Coincidentally, posts by a Shango seem to refer to this band by name:

http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html

Unfortunately most search results are in Dutch!

Posted by: COLUMBO | Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 05:14 PM

Thank You Poochy...I for One find this Very Interesting!  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyCool::

I'm sure you read all about Max on his website. What always intrigued me was the guy who befriended him - and caused him to go missing. And this man introduced another guy as his 'adopted son', and both were the airport with minimal amount of luggage - not the amount one would take if staying for a week at the H.I. When I googled that guy's name I found an interesting 'accident' in the USA where a motorcyclist got sandwiched between two trucks, and a guy w/the same exact name as the last person seeing Max was driving one of them.

makes one wonder if they trade people for $ to pay off their gambling debts...

Dicemen  --what an interesting name for a band... they must like to gamble I guess.... they must like Aruba because not many islands have casinos/gambling. Wonder if they were in Aruba in 2005 for the SBMF.

Yes that older man was stalking Max and his mother

you said :  When I googled that guy's name I found an interesting 'accident' in the USA where a motorcyclist got sandwiched between two trucks, and a guy w/the same exact name as the last person seeing Max was driving one of them.

can you post that info or give a link ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 06:32:17 PM
At the risk of being accused of continuing the semi off topic discussion of the attractiveness of Peter R de Vries, I would like to note that apparently he does dive as well.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/Peter20en20buddy.jpg)


For whatever that might be worth in this regard.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 06:33:01 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic. Red said "the stars are aligning", Steve Holloway's "message", and the mere fact Beth is in Aruba make me hopeful that something is pre-negotiated here. I do not think Beth would ever go to Aruba again without a "guarantee".

I agree.  Beth and Greta both wouldn't go back unless this was a solution-in-the-works.  I just hope she is not knocked down again by Aruba or the Dutch.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 06:34:46 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/toeristi.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 06:42:17 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/toeristi.jpg)

Tourist robbers arrested
5 Jan, 2009, 15:11 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - Three young men were last night arrested by police in connection with a number of attacks on tourists. The trio went to work by the tires of rental cars blank shots, and then the driver 'help' to offer. If they succeeded to the victims of their valuables to rob.

Around half past nine at night the police received a report of a robbery in which at the central bus stop in Orange City would be committed. According to the reporter, there are three robbers involved, which in a white car had gone off. The police got from the reporter, the registration number. Then the security authorities in a search immediately for a half hour later a report of a robbery to get in, using the same modus operandi, now at Paseo Herencia mall in Palm Beach.
On the spot police said the victim, a tourist. This stated that, upon arrival at the rental car, the tires found empty. A young man approached her to offer his help. Two others caught without it doorhad when her bag off. Then there is the three went off running. A taxi driver who saw what happened, warned the police, but the thieves were gone when officers arrived on the spot.

A few moments later, one agent pointed out the white people in passenger Ponton. This was immediately sent reinforcement, the three men were arrested at a restaurant. According to reports, the three it had at the restaurant to eat, drink and settled in U.S. dollars


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 06:46:41 PM
1/5/2009 Bondia Front Page

http://bondia.com/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/01052009Bondia01aa.jpg)

Pg 24a

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/01052009Bondia24aaa.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

oranjestad – eye attentive of one police at civil owing to conduci at detencion of three young sospecha of owing to atraca-horta two tourist yesterday evening. for more or less 9.30 of night alarma owing to wordo beat for patruyanan is alerto for one tercel blanco numera a-38747 in cual will have three young. they're wordo sospecha of owing to atraca one tourist near of parada of bus at beach. while cu police is provided that busca of the sospechosonan here, alarma is wordo beat alrededor of 11’or of night for another abstraction casi in the same style near of paseo herencia. the modus operandi is cu the ladronnan owing to descend tire of two car of huur, sperando cual is arrive first. the first tourist cu owing to arrive y constata cu the tirenan owing to wordo descend, owing to achieve “ayudo” of one of the sospechosonan. at same instant, one of the another sospechosonan owing to arrive, ranca bag of the tourist y they owing to descend at water. one taxista cu owing to see thing cu owing to happen, owing to beat alarma close police. one rato after central of police is wordo avisa door of one colega of they civil, cu past owing to see the tercel provided that cuestion fast one parillada at ponton. at once owing to send refuerso policial y so owing to succeed detene all three sospechoso. seems cu already they owing to come y drink in the restaurant y owing to pay cu dollars. the caso is under investigacion come across




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 06:46:56 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic. Red said "the stars are aligning", Steve Holloway's "message", and the mere fact Beth is in Aruba make me hopeful that something is pre-negotiated here. I do not think Beth would ever go to Aruba again without a "guarantee".

At the very least ... Beth and Greta's appearance on the Island is a reminder that Natalee's mother has 36 more years be a voice for her daughter ... a voice that will haunt Aruba until the truth encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 is revealed.

Janet

_____


A VOICE THAT WILL NOT BE SILENCED

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 25, 2005


HOLLOWAY-TWITTY:  I met with Prime Minister Oduber. I don‘t care who you put the pressure on, where it comes from, but I want—you need to figure it out. You need to figure out who needs to apply the pressure and where it needs to be applied, because you have to solve this crime. I said, you do not want to turn me loose from this island without an answer.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 25, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


Aruba Admission
Tuesday, August 23, 2005


TWITTY: I met him in his office. And you know, the main things that we went over in the meeting, Greta — you know, I wanted to make it perfectly clear that — you know, Aruba is a small island. We agreed upon that. And this island, you know, it's well connected. Everyone knows everyone. And I wanted to make sure he knew there's no way that I will accept not having answers as to where Natalee is. And if I have to spend the next 40 years being the voice for her out of Aruba

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166524,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 14th
updated 9:13 a.m. PT, Thurs., Sept. 15, 2005


TWITTY: We will keep going back to Aruba over and over again. This is far from over. They know—they have the answers there on the island.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/


Mother confronts Aruba suspect
Holloway's mother questions Kalpoe about disappearance of missing teen


TWITTY:  I think it’s just the side that, you know, I—I will stop at nothing to get answers. There is nothing that I won’t do. There’s nowhere that I won’t go, and there’s nothing—I’m going to ask every question. I don’t care how painful it is. I will do it, because I’m not going to have any regrets.”

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


Three men freed in Holloway case
Prosecutor: Judge's son, 2 others still under investigation
Monday, September 5, 2005; Posted: 5:43 a.m. EDT (09:43 GMT)


For the rest of my life, I will continue to be the voice for my daughter, seeking justice in Aruba. Every parent would want the same justice for their child.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/04/aruba.missing.teen/index.html


'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 25, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 06:46:59 PM
I hope everyone who is finding articles on crime especially violence against tourists will also post in the murder and crime thread, a link is in my signature.

TexasMom, you and Johan post lots of these and I hope you will help keep that thread up to date as it has had almost 100K views.  That's a lot!

TIA



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 06:51:54 PM
Well I miss VMS Too....I also miss Lala's....I hope that they will return soon and that They had a Merry Christmas and Will Have A Happy New Year!


Just wanted to add a little "Me Too" to this.

There are many posters/points of view I miss reading these days.  Regardless of where they are posting now, I'm certain they are still Standing with the Girl.

Maybe if we do get some movement on the case, everyone will come home to SM to discuss it.




Not sure where VMSis, but I know Lalas is on a 30 day "timeout". I am not sure why.

NEITHER VMS nor LALA'S have ever been put on a time out of any sort at SM, you must be thinking about another site.  Lala's and VMS have always been free to post here, not my fault if they choose to post at ChatnGrumble instead. 

Have a nice day  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: SS on January 05, 2009, 06:51:57 PM
Hero Brinkman did not go empty-handed.



Many, many thanks if it was the Freebirds who provided documantation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 06:54:15 PM
My Brother-in-law HAS NOT come to my home yet so I can show him all this information on Aruba.  He thinks I didn't mean what I told him (I will never speak to him again if he goes to Aruba on vacation).  He is pressing his luck with me right now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: blah on January 05, 2009, 06:54:17 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::


Ah, so you say but how are we to know!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


You probably won't believe me if I tell you I look like this guy (seeing Tamikosmom talk about Cindy Crawford)

http://tinyurl.com/7phb4g

So let's forget it....  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Richard Gere is only a 5 but Peter R is a 10!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm so ugly I have to shave my ass and walk backwards  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 07:03:53 PM
My Brother-in-law HAS NOT come to my home yet so I can show him all this information on Aruba.  He thinks I didn't mean what I told him (I will never speak to him again if he goes to Aruba on vacation).  He is pressing his luck with me right now.

Does he have email?  If he does, bombard him with emails of the clippings here, or just the page links so that he can see for himself!  I don't even know him, and I'm worried about him going.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 05, 2009, 07:12:41 PM
Anna

Feel free to post any pics of Peter R....with or without equipment.

memphis


A Dutch poster can correct me...but when it comes to that secret/ don't tell /or lose the case/  law, I finally read something that was reasonable.  It said something along the lines that info should not be leaked/discussed, until after it has been presented to a judge.  The article did not say anything about "at trial".  I took it to mean that any info that a judge has already reviewed, all info presented for every one of the arrest/detention hearings, can be discussed.  They just choose not to...but it is not illegal and does not jeopardize anything.   :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 07:24:37 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::

You are so funny.  I glad no one can hear me laughing out loud right now. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Ah, so you say but how are we to know!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


You probably won't believe me if I tell you I look like this guy (seeing Tamikosmom talk about Cindy Crawford)

http://tinyurl.com/7phb4g

So let's forget it....  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Richard Gere is only a 5 but Peter R is a 10!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm so ugly I have to shave my ass and walk backwards  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 07:25:41 PM
My Brother-in-law HAS NOT come to my home yet so I can show him all this information on Aruba.  He thinks I didn't mean what I told him (I will never speak to him again if he goes to Aruba on vacation).  He is pressing his luck with me right now.

Does he have email?  If he does, bombard him with emails of the clippings here, or just the page links so that he can see for himself!  I don't even know him, and I'm worried about him going.   ::MonkeyWaa::

Doesn't have email.  He told me no one would bother him.  He said I can handle myself.  I tried to warn him but he wouldn't listen.  I told him he is on his own.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 07:27:51 PM
Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

He's not half as handsome as I am...  ::cartwheel::




Ah, so you say but how are we to know!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


You probably won't believe me if I tell you I look like this guy (seeing Tamikosmom talk about Cindy Crawford)

http://tinyurl.com/7phb4g

So let's forget it....  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Richard Gere is only a 5 but Peter R is a 10!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm so ugly I have to shave my ass and walk backwards  ::MonkeyShocked::

correction: 
You are so funny.  I glad no one can hear me laughing out loud right now. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Frank on January 05, 2009, 07:28:44 PM
I once again have to disagree with the thought of a compromise. Why would Joran or Jan van der straaten agree to anything?

You're assuming there is "evidence" against them. Now why should they become sacrificial lambs? On what leverage would they be compelled to do such a  thing and why wouldn't that evidence be used against them?

This case is much too public and even in screwed up Aruba law you don't just "negotiate."

I would rather see them go after Paulus and convict him as he is the murderer. Nobody is going to care what he "has" on anyone else, he'll just be pissing in the wind. And who would believe him anyway?

It's all or nothing for justice for Natalee. We already know "mistakes were made."

How is that a settlement?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 07:31:36 PM
My Brother-in-law HAS NOT come to my home yet so I can show him all this information on Aruba.  He thinks I didn't mean what I told him (I will never speak to him again if he goes to Aruba on vacation).  He is pressing his luck with me right now.

Does he have email?  If he does, bombard him with emails of the clippings here, or just the page links so that he can see for himself!  I don't even know him, and I'm worried about him going.   ::MonkeyWaa::

Doesn't have email.  He told me no one would bother him.  He said I can handle myself.  I tried to warn him but he wouldn't listen.  I told him he is on his own.

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I think I would have said the same to that Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Poochy on January 05, 2009, 07:45:53 PM
Max was lost on Aruba on 5-12-2004 no investigation ! nothing !  

Max Devries would have been 18 years old now

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Max1-1.jpg)

Max and his Dad George

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/MaxandDadGeorge1.jpg)


Just over one year later Natalee goes missing.  What was going on with the month of May in Aruba?  SoulBeach?  Or something else?

http://www.aruba.com/calendar/view_entry.php?id=329&date=20040530

SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Description: SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Date: Sunday, May 30, 2004 
Repeat Type: Wednesday, May 26, 2004  -  Monday, May 31, 2004 (every Day



...follow the music.....


Found a post about a missing girl in a town called Dordrecht. Turned out she had been taken after a concert by a band called http://www.dicemen.net/

Coincidentally, posts by a Shango seem to refer to this band by name:

http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html

Unfortunately most search results are in Dutch!

Posted by: COLUMBO | Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 05:14 PM

Thank You Poochy...I for One find this Very Interesting!  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyCool::

I'm sure you read all about Max on his website. What always intrigued me was the guy who befriended him - and caused him to go missing. And this man introduced another guy as his 'adopted son', and both were the airport with minimal amount of luggage - not the amount one would take if staying for a week at the H.I. When I googled that guy's name I found an interesting 'accident' in the USA where a motorcyclist got sandwiched between two trucks, and a guy w/the same exact name as the last person seeing Max was driving one of them.

makes one wonder if they trade people for $ to pay off their gambling debts...

Dicemen  --what an interesting name for a band... they must like to gamble I guess.... they must like Aruba because not many islands have casinos/gambling. Wonder if they were in Aruba in 2005 for the SBMF.

Yes that older man was stalking Max and his mother

you said :  When I googled that guy's name I found an interesting 'accident' in the USA where a motorcyclist got sandwiched between two trucks, and a guy w/the same exact name as the last person seeing Max was driving one of them.

can you post that info or give a link ?


Mr. David Stacey took Max de Vries went on a jetski but ...ONLY DAVID LEFT THE DEN ALIVE...

FULL POST HERE:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2590.0
"...A three-day search ensued - with help from the Aruban Coast Guard, helicopters and a marine plane - but was eventually called off when nothing was found, according to police reports.
"...Yvonne requested a polygraph and offered to pay, but the police did not find it necessary, she said.
"...Looking back, Yvonne believes they were targeted by the men, who she said had told her earlier in the week, "We were looking out of our bedroom window and we saw you playing with your kid and thought we had to meet you at the waterslide.'
"...That's where it started. They stalked us out there," Yvonne said, adding that the police looked for the man's son, who did not show up until 10 minutes before he was brought to shore.
"...At first you get these red flags, and these signals and instincts everyone talks about," she said. "And I ignored them."
"...Yvonne recalled that the men told her different stories of why they were in Aruba. Originally they said that the son's mother had died a year ago, but during a pool game, the son said his mother died when he was a baby.
"...Believing that the police in Aruba had not investigated thoroughly, she spoke with Lt. Cory Williams of the Livonia Police Department, who looked over the reports. He believes the evidence suggests there is more to the story, he said.
"...The first time I saw it, some of the things jumped out to me that didn't make sense," Williams said. "Based on what I found, they weren't being truthful or giving the full story."
"...Williams looked up information on the men, which he declined to comment on, but said if the police in Aruba had looked into their backgrounds, it would have prompted further investigation, he said.
"..Williams took the file to the FBI, which would not comment on the record. The case is still open, and Yvonne continues to hope that she will find an answer to her son's disappearance.

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Motorcycle accident involving a David Stacey:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=3rd&navby=case&no=971607p

Representatives of the estates of the three deceased motorcyclists individually brought actions against Meyers Trucking and Stacey for wrongful death and negligence; Wurm brought an action against Meyers Trucking and Stacey for negligence. These actions were filed in the United States District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania and were consolidated into a single case, with jurisdiction premised on diversity grounds pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1332. Both Meyers Trucking and Stacey are citizens of Michigan, Wurm is a citizen of Missouri, and the three decedents were citizens of Maryland.

http://cases.justia.com/us-court-of-appeals/F3/115/208/568258/
The current litigation arose out of a tragic accident that occurred at the Breezewood Interchange of the Pennsylvania Turnpike on June 17, 1990. A tractor-trailer owned by Ralph Meyers Trucking, Inc. ("Meyers Trucking") and operated by David A. Stacey "rear-ended" a motorcycle operated by Brian Kent Adams, on which Elizabeth Naomi Bromwell was a passenger, and then "rear-ended" a second motorcycle operated by John Darrow, Jr. Stacey's truck pushed the two motorcycles into the rear of another tractor-trailer, driven by Pete L. Wurm. The three motorcyclists, Adams, Bromwell, and Darrow, were killed in the collision and Wurm suffered serious physical and psychological injuries.

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http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/26/protest-aruba-in-boston-a-summary-from-richard-we-the-people/

Carpe Noctem on March 29th, 2007 12:26 am
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Here is the latest ZZ entry out today!

http://tinyurl.com/ysf2sq
<snippet>

When Max DeVries became a CRIME VICTIM on Aruba, it could be theoretically argued that he did not wash shore. Even though the tests Aruba conducted during the Natalee Holloway investigation using dummies found that they did wash up on shore unless they were out 2.5 miles. In that case the dummies floated in the direction of Panama. According to info, Max was out on the jet-ski for 45 minutes and could have been beyond the 2.5 miles. Max was out 15 minutes longer than the rental time allotted. When David Stacey, the man Max went jet-skiing with was found, he was in possession of both jet-skis and Max was no where to be found. It would be interesting to see the records of where Mr. Stacey was located. How far out was Mr. Stacey?

In the case of Willard ‘Buddy’ Larson, he never even made it into the water. It’s very hard to say that he floated all the way to Panama from dry land. In Buddy’s case, he seems to have bought a hotel, air, and windsurfing package. When he went to get his equipment to windsurf, reports are that the supplier of the equipment did not have his equipment and that was the last time anyone saw Mr. Larson. Again, it’s hard to fathom that he floated to Panama. Where are the reports regarding Mr. Larson’s case? And for that matter, where is Mr. Larson.

On an Island only 77 square miles, it’s hard to imagine that he completely disappeared. It is also possible that the people that owned the windsurfing shop, disposed of Mr. Larson at sea. Those with water sports businesses generally do own boats. Where are the declarations in Mr. Larson’s case? Someone must have been questioned in his case and why were no charges ever brought? These are questions that demand answers so that the Family members can have complete closure.

Posted by Zoltan at 10:02 AM

-REPOSTED

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http://tinyurl.com/87mwdu

But another young teenager, from Brighton, Michigan also vanished without a trace in Aruba. His name was Max Devrees.

Yvonne Devries took 14-year-old Max and his younger sister to Aruba in May of 2004. She wanted them to spend some healing family time together following the death of her husband.

"I want to find out if this was truly an accident. Was my son set up to be taken in Aruba? Was I followed and stalked and my son purposely targeted? We went there as basically a memorial service, privately for the family, in honor of their dad," said Yvonne. At their hotel the Devrees family ended up hanging out with another hotel guest. He was a fellow American, 56-year-old David Stacey Sr.

Stacey offered to pay for Max to rent a wave runner so they could go out on the water together.
"Max was jumping up and down, really excited, let me go, let me go. And I did," said Yvonne. That was the last time she would see her son.

"They didn’t come back in 45 minutes. They didn’t come back in an hour. Pretty much immediately, I had that sinking feeling something was wrong," explained Yvonne.

The police launched a massive ocean search. After several hours they rescued Stacey about four miles off the coast, but Max was never found.

According to Aruba police reports obtained by Action News, Stacey told police Max’s wave runner stopped working. He said he tried to tow Max’s watercraft, but that stranded both machines.

Back on land Stacey told police Max somehow slipped away. But Stacey’s story seems to change, depending on who he spoke to.
In one police interview, Stacey said, "Max started swimming towards shore."

But Yvonne said he told her something entirely different, "He said, 'I heard a thump and Max was floating away.' I said, 'was he hurt?' 'Well, I don't know, that was our said agreement between the two of us, to save our energy.' 'What do you mean an agreement?' If it was your son, floating away, you would yell out to him, are you okay?"

But in his first interview with police, Stacey told detectives he didn’t have an agreement with Max. Stacy also told police, "I do not remember if I called [out to] Max. I don’t think I did." But in another statement 2 days later, Stacey said, "I called out to [Max], but he did not answer."

Corey Williams is a Michigan detective who is helping Yvonne learn the truth about what happened to Max. He said the statements to the police don’t add up, "The minute I started reading, I started seeing what I would describe as glaring inconsistencies." 

Williams is also concerned about how quickly the Aruban police closed out the case without digging further into Stacey’s background. "It appears to me that there could possibly be foul play involved. It definitely appears to me that there needs to be more investigation done," said Williams.

In the Aruban police reports, David Stacey Sr. told detectives that he did not kill or do anything to hurt Max. As for the Aruba police, they have not returned our phone calls to tell us why they closed their case so quickly.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 05, 2009, 07:51:28 PM
thanks Poochy but is that the same David Stacey ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 05, 2009, 07:57:32 PM
Max was lost on Aruba on 5-12-2004 no investigation ! nothing !  

Max Devries would have been 18 years old now

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Max1-1.jpg)

Max and his Dad George

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/MaxandDadGeorge1.jpg)







Just over one year later Natalee goes missing.  What was going on with the month of May in Aruba?  SoulBeach?  Or something else?

http://www.aruba.com/calendar/view_entry.php?id=329&date=20040530

SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Description: SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Date: Sunday, May 30, 2004 
Repeat Type: Wednesday, May 26, 2004  -  Monday, May 31, 2004 (every Day



...follow the music.....


Found a post about a missing girl in a town called Dordrecht. Turned out she had been taken after a concert by a band called http://www.dicemen.net/

Coincidentally, posts by a Shango seem to refer to this band by name:

http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html

Unfortunately most search results are in Dutch!

Posted by: COLUMBO | Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 05:14 PM



It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter)

Contact Information
Hot Line  +(804) 276 2204 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 05, 2009, 08:23:14 PM
Monday down.4 days left to see "IF" a MAJOR player gets arrested!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE....HAVE HOPE...SEEK THA TRUTH....GOD WILL MAKE A PATH

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 08:25:51 PM
Questioned in the Natalee Holloway case:

Name:Marlon Celaire
Date:4 June 2005 / 00:15
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennia Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement about whereabouts on May 29 2005

Name: Marlon Miguel Celaire (third statement)
Date: 23 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs/Angelo Croes
Description: witness statement


1/5/2009 Awe Mainta Pg 29

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/01052009AweMaintaPg29-1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

conoci of police marlon celaire owing to try of viola tourist venezolano presencia of police owing to wordo ask cu urgencia at one highrise hotel, where one man owing to deal of viola one tourist venezolano of 17 year. n’e sitio police is talk cu the child muher m.i. naci at venezuela of 17 year, that is declara at police cu the was march together cu his primo on beach more or less 4.20 of madruga saturday, hour cu 3 man owing to acerca they. past owing to tell cu he color dark dress cu short blanco y camisa orange-coloured owing to ranke at his hand. the is tell cu past owing to try y owing to succeed los his hand for of he y they owing to core bay busca aid at holiday inn, close the guardianan. one of the guardianan owing to mustr’e one photograph of marlon celaire y past owing to reconoce at once because; esun cu owing to ranke at his hand. police owing to wordo poni at height y they owing to take away the tourist at his hotel, because; cu the was enough spanta. police owing to busca marlon, but not owing to come across cune.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 08:31:18 PM
I'm trying to remember, was Marlon one of the beach bums or water sports guys that the police automatically questioned because they have been known to accost the tourists?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 08:32:57 PM
Does anyone know the terms under which the U.S. FOB station is allowed to operate out of Aruba?  Were these terms negotiated with the Dutch, the Arubans or both?  When is this up for renewal?

I was just recalling the only word from Bachus after the interview with the Arubans when Greta asked him what they were unhappy about.  He said, "Wiretaps."  I have always wondered if by any chance they are the ones who overheard phone conversations perhaps even that early morning or later involving Paulus and van der Straten or any civilians involved at all. 

Perhaps the terms of the agreement called for not eavesdropping on Aruban civilians as the purported reason would be to monitor S. America with Uncle Hugo receiving special attention.

Has this come up for renewal in recent times by any chance?  I can see this base as being very important from this aspect and a reason not to rock the boat.  More so than any single shipment of cocaine, etc.  And National Security trumps everybody.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 08:34:32 PM
I'm trying to remember, was Marlon one of the beach bums or water sports guys that the police automatically questioned because they have been known to accost the tourists?


And someone maybe the security guards said he was never seen roaming the beach again?

Looks as though he is back.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 08:34:32 PM
I'm trying to remember, was Marlon one of the beach bums or water sports guys that the police automatically questioned because they have been known to accost the tourists?

I knew I remembered that name.  Kelly and Daniel claimed that Natalee left the beach with Marlon.  Marlon must be an easy mark, must be known to do this stuff.  Easy person to blame instead of the guilty SLOOTS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2009, 08:37:38 PM
1/5/2009 Bondia Pg 7a

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01052009Bondia07aa.jpg)

I hope that someone will help us with a translation of this one!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 05, 2009, 08:39:19 PM
I'm trying to remember, was Marlon one of the beach bums or water sports guys that the police automatically questioned because they have been known to accost the tourists?

I knew I remembered that name.  Kelly and Daniel claimed that Natalee left the beach with Marlon.  Marlon must be an easy mark, must be known to do this stuff.  Easy person to blame instead of the guilty SLOOTS.

The two statements made about this guy had him walking in the direction where Joran claimed to be...two nights in a row.  Once towards the Marriott and the next night towards the Radisson.  Were they initially going to set this guy up and let the security guards go???????  One of those statements came from one of the security guards.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 08:40:55 PM

I am not sure but ... the way I comprehend ... there are legal issues why the Natalee's Freebirds could not expose the Persistence deception through the usual means of  documentation.  Maybe this same legality prevents the family from exposing the truth.

The Persistence undertaking was a private venture and ... the owner Louis Shaeffer owns the copywrite to the ROV images.  The legality of publishing Kyle's own words submitted under a confidentiality agreement to an internet forum ... words exposing the suspicious happenings that may have been the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... may be an issue.

In other words ... if the Persistence story is ever to be told ... it will be told by Louis Shaeffer from the perspective of John Silvetti.

IMO.

Maybe one of our Monkey Freebirds could expand.

Janet.   

Here's what's funny about that Janet.  NO ONE had  registered copyrights on ANY of the images Kyle shared with us - at least not by the time Kermit posted them here.

But the threat of civil litigation was just as real.  Freebirds would have had to spend big bucks to defend ourselves - while we would have prevailed in a court of law, due to the verbiage in our TOS - the defense of it would have been very costly.

So now there is an option of suing individually - but I'd get a kick out of what grounds any such suit might be brought forth.  When the few don't have to worry about putting the many in potential litigious jeopardy - it's then a no holds barred situation.  ::MonkeyWink::

I'd also get a kick out of any potential lawsuit once the filing attorney got ahold of our TOS.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Poochy on January 05, 2009, 08:50:57 PM
thanks Poochy but is that the same David Stacey ?
Johann, I don't know.

But it is known that the David Stacey, Sr.  who was last seen with Max had a shady background.  He also had scratches on his face when Mrs. deVries went to the police station. But David already took a shower at the police station - so all evidence was washed down the drain.

"...Williams looked up information on the men, which he declined to comment on, but said if the police in Aruba had looked into their backgrounds, it would have prompted further investigation, he said.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 08:52:49 PM
I'm trying to remember, was Marlon one of the beach bums or water sports guys that the police automatically questioned because they have been known to accost the tourists?


And someone maybe the security guards said he was never seen roaming the beach again?

Looks as though he is back.

.

Renfro also added her two cents to further that myth.

Who was it recently who said it was easier to blame a beach bum who wasn't even there?

I think it was Brinkman - but I could be mistaken.

I do believe it was Marlon who was being described in that statement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Poochy on January 05, 2009, 09:20:30 PM
I'm trying to remember, was Marlon one of the beach bums or water sports guys that the police automatically questioned because they have been known to accost the tourists?

I knew I remembered that name.  Kelly and Daniel claimed that Natalee left the beach with Marlon.  Marlon must be an easy mark, must be known to do this stuff.  Easy person to blame instead of the guilty SLOOTS.

The two statements made about this guy had him walking in the direction where Joran claimed to be...two nights in a row.  Once towards the Marriott and the next night towards the Radisson.  Were they initially going to set this guy up and let the security guards go???????  One of those statements came from one of the security guards.



Interesting about the 'set-up' comment...

About the security guard's statement (below), he sees alot of kids in the ocean, on the beach, going here and going there at 2:30am. He also sees the two guys walking around and confronts them.

Steve Croes placed himself on the beach that night.

Joran placed himself on the beach that night. 


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=365.0

SOLVERT RENSKA (security guard 7/8/2005 statement):
On your question if I saw the man named “M” on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the night time hours, on the sand of the Holiday Inn Hotel, I can answer you yes. On that day around 01.00, I saw that "M." with the slim white man who wore a hat on his head, walking in a northern direction on the sand in the direction of the “Moomba Beach”. Because I had learned from third parties that “M” was a dangerous robber, I contacted with my portofoon (walkie talkie?) the guard who was monitoring at the Curacao Tower and told him to look out because “M”  was in the vicinity. A couple minutes later saw I that "M" and the slim white man returned products in beside the "Iguana bar" stood. I walked up to them and I greeted "M". "M" looked straight at me and asked my why I followed him. I told “M” to tell him to have a good evening."M" answered that I was a klootzak (?). I said to "M" that all I did was greet him and he insulted me."M" asked me then if I was inhabitant of Haiti and I answered that him, no I was not an inhabitant of Haiti. “M” went then to the water cooler to drink water and then walked away with the slim white man in an Eastern direction towards “Playa Linda”. I must note that this was the first time that I have ever seen the slim white man with “M” (With "M" the man "M. CELAIRE" are meant; observation JACOBS.)

On your question if I walked later in the night time hours with the guard "CANCHANO" to the swimming pool, because CANCHANO saw two unknown men under a hut, I will tell you that I no longer remember this. I also no longer remember at this moment that CANCHANO at that moment had told me to look out for “M”. (With CANCHANO the witness "J. CANCHANO" are meant; observation JACOBS)

On the same day around 02.30, I saw that "M" walking with the slim white man from the northern direction to the direction of the “Marriott Hotel” met and with the slim white man stood under a hut. I must note that at this same moment a group of the American students came naked out of the water on the sand and were putting their clothes on.

It is remarkable that from that day on Monday, May 30, in the night time hours, "M" and the slim white man have not been seen again on the sand of the Holiday Inn Hotel. I remember also that this was the day that the American girl “Natalee HOLLOWAY” also at the “Holiday Inn Hotel” went missing.

On your question if I know the name of the slim white man, I answer you no.

On your question if I know the man nicknamed “G” or “J”, who is regularly at the Holiday Inn hotel, answer I you no. On your question if I was approached on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the night time hours, by a couple who were also staying in the Holiday Inn Hotel, with a story about two men and a drunk girl were on the sand north of the hotel stumbling or falling, answer I you no. Nobody approached me with this story.

The couple must specifically say who they had reported this to. You must ask this also of the other guards. I did not hear it from the other guards either. The guards names are  "Ramon", "Campo", “Arroyo", “Perez Ramirez”, "Stewart" and "Canchano“ had night shift at the Holiday Inn Hotel.

This is my true statement. If you have more questions, I will be prepared to answer them.

S. RENESKA

After I, JACOBS, read the declaration to the witness S. RENESKA in Spanish, I translated it and he agreed to sign it.
 
Of what our, statement, on oath of office made up this warrant, and has been signed at Oranjestad on July 08, 2005 and has been closed,

Signed,

DD JACOBS             Z.M. THE CUBA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 05, 2009, 09:22:10 PM
Seems at least that part of the beach was pretty busy that night...yet the beach area of the Marriott did not produce one witness that put Joran and Natalee there.  Hmm.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 09:29:39 PM

I am not sure but ... the way I comprehend ... there are legal issues why the Natalee's Freebirds could not expose the Persistence deception through the usual means of  documentation.  Maybe this same legality prevents the family from exposing the truth.

The Persistence undertaking was a private venture and ... the owner Louis Shaeffer owns the copywrite to the ROV images.  The legality of publishing Kyle's own words submitted under a confidentiality agreement to an internet forum ... words exposing the suspicious happenings that may have been the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... may be an issue.

In other words ... if the Persistence story is ever to be told ... it will be told by Louis Shaeffer from the perspective of John Silvetti.

IMO.

Maybe one of our Monkey Freebirds could expand.

Janet.   

Here's what's funny about that Janet.  NO ONE had  registered copyrights on ANY of the images Kyle shared with us - at least not by the time Kermit posted them here.

But the threat of civil litigation was just as real.  Freebirds would have had to spend big bucks to defend ourselves - while we would have prevailed in a court of law, due to the verbiage in our TOS - the defense of it would have been very costly.

So now there is an option of suing individually - but I'd get a kick out of what grounds any such suit might be brought forth.  When the few don't have to worry about putting the many in potential litigious jeopardy - it's then a no holds barred situation.  ::MonkeyWink::

I'd also get a kick out of any potential lawsuit once the filing attorney got ahold of our TOS.  ::MonkeyWink::

Jen

Hi Jen

If Kermit/Kyle is not implying in the following quote that Louis Shaeffer has the rights to the ROV images ... what is being implied.

Janet
______


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #544 on: December 19, 2008, 06:52:12 PM »


PERHAPS KYLE VIOLATED THE COPYRIGHT HIMSELF

Kyle said: "She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship."
 
The next step:
I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status. I would like a couple people very familiar with the case documents also present to help connect dots during the meeting. I would prefer meeting towards the end of April or mid-May to allow adequate time for things to shake themselves out if is going to. If necessary, I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level. We met in mid-Feb about this already. The question becomes timing, who needs to be there, and whether or not it's covered by the press. I prefer not, but it may be useful. DeVries doesn't need to be there in my opinion but he's good for ratings and helps ABC be cooperative if needed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592533;topicseen#msg592533


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Poochy on January 05, 2009, 09:37:36 PM
Seems at least that part of the beach was pretty busy that night...yet the beach area of the Marriott did not produce one witness that put Joran and Natalee there.  Hmm.

Funny the fishermen didn't see the MB'ers frollicking in their birthday suits  ::MonkeyCool::
Steve Croes saw 2 men and a girl who was screaming.
Joran said nobody was on the beach.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 05, 2009, 09:38:31 PM
Does anyone know if Greta will speak about Aruba tonight? TY


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 09:38:50 PM
Anna

Feel free to post any pics of Peter R....with or without equipment.

memphis


A Dutch poster can correct me...but when it comes to that secret/ don't tell /or lose the case/  law, I finally read something that was reasonable.  It said something along the lines that info should not be leaked/discussed, until after it has been presented to a judge.  The article did not say anything about "at trial".  I took it to mean that any info that a judge has already reviewed, all info presented for every one of the arrest/detention hearings, can be discussed.  They just choose not to...but it is not illegal and does not jeopardize anything.   :smt102



Right, Buckeye, I recall reading the same thing. . . .it was just yet another excuse to keep us in the dark as we often see media coverage of crimes reported in the Aruban press complete with details, etc. and even names.  Normally, I think they do use initials in the normal order, however, lol.  But only as a courtesy to the person involved in case they are innocent and not as a legal requirement.

We all read about Luis Mansur for example firing a shot from a weapon, etc. in the press before trial and yet not one peep about any illegality of the press covering all that in great detail.

I think Arlene told us lots of whoppers.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 09:39:35 PM

I am not sure but ... the way I comprehend ... there are legal issues why the Natalee's Freebirds could not expose the Persistence deception through the usual means of  documentation.  Maybe this same legality prevents the family from exposing the truth.

The Persistence undertaking was a private venture and ... the owner Louis Shaeffer owns the copywrite to the ROV images.  The legality of publishing Kyle's own words submitted under a confidentiality agreement to an internet forum ... words exposing the suspicious happenings that may have been the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... may be an issue.

In other words ... if the Persistence story is ever to be told ... it will be told by Louis Shaeffer from the perspective of John Silvetti.

IMO.

Maybe one of our Monkey Freebirds could expand.

Janet.   

Here's what's funny about that Janet.  NO ONE had  registered copyrights on ANY of the images Kyle shared with us - at least not by the time Kermit posted them here.

But the threat of civil litigation was just as real.  Freebirds would have had to spend big bucks to defend ourselves - while we would have prevailed in a court of law, due to the verbiage in our TOS - the defense of it would have been very costly.

So now there is an option of suing individually - but I'd get a kick out of what grounds any such suit might be brought forth.  When the few don't have to worry about putting the many in potential litigious jeopardy - it's then a no holds barred situation.  ::MonkeyWink::

I'd also get a kick out of any potential lawsuit once the filing attorney got ahold of our TOS.  ::MonkeyWink::

Jen

Hi Jen

If Kermit/Kyle is not implying in the following quote that Louis Shaeffer has the rights to the ROV images ... what is being implied.

Janet
______


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #544 on: December 19, 2008, 06:52:12 PM »


PERHAPS KYLE VIOLATED THE COPYRIGHT HIMSELF

Kyle said: "She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship."
 
The next step:
I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status. I would like a couple people very familiar with the case documents also present to help connect dots during the meeting. I would prefer meeting towards the end of April or mid-May to allow adequate time for things to shake themselves out if is going to. If necessary, I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level. We met in mid-Feb about this already. The question becomes timing, who needs to be there, and whether or not it's covered by the press. I prefer not, but it may be useful. DeVries doesn't need to be there in my opinion but he's good for ratings and helps ABC be cooperative if needed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592533;topicseen#msg592533


Quite the little producer Kyle is.  This was a staged production to him and he was handling this very well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 05, 2009, 09:40:20 PM
Seems at least that part of the beach was pretty busy that night...yet the beach area of the Marriott did not produce one witness that put Joran and Natalee there.  Hmm.

Funny the fishermen didn't see the MB'ers frollicking in their birthday suits  ::MonkeyCool::
Steve Croes saw 2 men and a girl who was screaming.
Joran said nobody was on the beach.


If I were an opthomologist I think I might could make a little money on Aruba!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on January 05, 2009, 09:42:37 PM
Actually, as I remember this Blonde, and I followed the case pretty closely, is that she was last seen by her family sleeping on the balcony of their cabin at like 3 am in the morning. She left her cigarettes outside on the balcony table.  She had hung around the band members during the cruise. But as far as anyone was aware, her family saw her sleeping on the balcony as the last visual. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 09:42:56 PM
Seems at least that part of the beach was pretty busy that night...yet the beach area of the Marriott did not produce one witness that put Joran and Natalee there.  Hmm.

Funny the fishermen didn't see the MB'ers frollicking in their birthday suits  ::MonkeyCool::
Steve Croes saw 2 men and a girl who was screaming.
Joran said nobody was on the beach.



I thought Joran eventually said he saw a "black couple" maybe as he was leaving and thought maybe they would help Natalee.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on January 05, 2009, 09:45:15 PM
Actually, as I remember this Blonde, and I followed the case pretty closely, is that she was last seen by her family sleeping on the balcony of their cabin at like 3 am in the morning. She left her cigarettes outside on the balcony table.  She had hung around the band members during the cruise. But as far as anyone was aware, her family saw her sleeping on the balcony as the last visual. 

Sorry, this was regarding Amy...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 09:46:19 PM
It appears that Greta is in her studio tonight and not in Aruba.  Her Greta LiveWire is in the studio:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?stream=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on January 05, 2009, 09:49:56 PM
Does anyone know the terms under which the U.S. FOB station is allowed to operate out of Aruba?  Were these terms negotiated with the Dutch, the Arubans or both?  When is this up for renewal?

I was just recalling the only word from Bachus after the interview with the Arubans when Greta asked him what they were unhappy about.  He said, "Wiretaps."  I have always wondered if by any chance they are the ones who overheard phone conversations perhaps even that early morning or later involving Paulus and van der Straten or any civilians involved at all. 

Perhaps the terms of the agreement called for not eavesdropping on Aruban civilians as the purported reason would be to monitor S. America with Uncle Hugo receiving special attention.

Has this come up for renewal in recent times by any chance?  I can see this base as being very important from this aspect and a reason not to rock the boat.  More so than any single shipment of cocaine, etc.  And National Security trumps everybody.

I don't know about the FOB station.  What I've always wondered about is the link to porn and drugs.

There have been quite a few global efforts regarding porn.  Surveying the creation, transmission, and extent of how it uses the internet.  Were any of these global efforts monitoring Aruba?  The web sites that were linked to the case at that time?  Is it possible porn involving Natalee was uploaded and sits in a case file somewhere?  Perhaps Aruba was a 'small potatos' kind of place and not a target.  Is there a global agency with porn uploads from Aruba the night Natalee went missing?  Maybe records of downloads as well?  Records of those porn sites like "Bangbus"?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 09:50:42 PM
Janet,

I never could figure that one out, to tell you the truth.

I personally researched the copyrights - and no one involved with the Persistence had registered any.

Then also there is the little gem of Shaefer having RESIGNED his position from the company - so he no longer "owned" anything anyway.

I think Kyle just didn't fully understand that.

But according to Kyle - Shaefer DID sell the rights to those images.  LOL - rights he didn't even own.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2009, 09:51:52 PM
It appears that Greta is in her studio tonight and not in Aruba.  Her Greta LiveWire is in the studio:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?stream=1

So does that mean the Aruban media who announced it was wrong?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 09:53:49 PM
It appears that Greta is in her studio tonight and not in Aruba.  Her Greta LiveWire is in the studio:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?stream=1

So does that mean the Aruban media who announced it was wrong?

Maybe a bad translation?  Maybe Greta and Beth are DUE to arrive??  I really don't know.  I'm going to watch the beginning of Greta and see if she says anything.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 05, 2009, 09:56:53 PM
It appears that Greta is in her studio tonight and not in Aruba.  Her Greta LiveWire is in the studio:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?stream=1

Thanks Klaas. I really was looking forward to her bringing up Natalee. Darn!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 10:00:39 PM
It appears that Greta is in her studio tonight and not in Aruba.  Her Greta LiveWire is in the studio:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?stream=1

Thanks Klaas. I really was looking forward to her bringing up Natalee. Darn!


I waited all day for this!   ::MonkeyWaa::

I'm telling ya, you can't believe anything they say at all.

What about her and Beth conspiring their media attack and all that!


Well, maybe she didn't have time to travel and get the material back to do a program tonight?   I want to SEE something actually happening.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Poochy on January 05, 2009, 10:00:44 PM
Seems at least that part of the beach was pretty busy that night...yet the beach area of the Marriott did not produce one witness that put Joran and Natalee there.  Hmm.

Funny the fishermen didn't see the MB'ers frollicking in their birthday suits  ::MonkeyCool::
Steve Croes saw 2 men and a girl who was screaming.
Joran said nobody was on the beach.



I thought Joran eventually said he saw a "black couple" maybe as he was leaving and thought maybe they would help Natalee.



I must have missed that lie pouring out of his pie hole.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on January 05, 2009, 10:02:13 PM
Seems at least that part of the beach was pretty busy that night...yet the beach area of the Marriott did not produce one witness that put Joran and Natalee there.  Hmm.

Funny the fishermen didn't see the MB'ers frollicking in their birthday suits  ::MonkeyCool::
Steve Croes saw 2 men and a girl who was screaming.
Joran said nobody was on the beach.



I thought Joran eventually said he saw a "black couple" maybe as he was leaving and thought maybe they would help Natalee.

I think "black couple" was from the book, my memory may be wrong.  In the GVS interview, Joran suggests that the beach was a busy place -

Quote
VAN DER SLOOT: If you drive by right by the last Marriott Hotel so we took a left and you can drive right to the end of the road there and we stopped there, so you're basically still at the hotel and that's where — where we got out of the car and I told Deepak that "I'll call you later to pick me up" and he said "OK," and he left and we walked on the beach.

And, I mean there were people there. There were couples there on the beach as well. I mean we walked by other couples. It's not — that beach is — it's a very busy beach. There's a lot of people there even at nighttime.

Quote
VAN DER SLOOT: Well, we got at the beach. We walked up. I took off my shoes. We walked to the — to the ocean and that's where we sat down as well. That's where I left my shoes and then we started walking. And I asked her, you know, let's — we can walk toward your hotel because there were a lot of people there too. And she wanted to walk the other way, so towards the — starting to go towards the lighthouse.

And, so we started walking — walking in that direction, more towards the fisherman's hut and, yes, we were holding hands, talking and kissing, just having a good time.

Quote
VAN SUSTEREN: Other people walking on the beach?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, there was — the time that I started walking the other direction there was only one couple that I walked by because most of them were at the actual Marriott Hotel. At that (INAUDIBLE), there was only one couple that I actually walked by.

Quote
VAN SUSTEREN: When you left her that night, were there any people around who might have seen something? You make the plea for people to come forward. Did you see anybody in the immediate area?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, that's exactly what I said. I mean, there were couples there on the beach. I mean, you know, please, come forward. You know, talk to the police. There was a couple that walked by when we were there on the beach. I mean, it's not — it's not like it's a deserted beach. It's a crowded area where there's a lot of people. You know, just come forward and talk to the — you know, tell the police everything you know. It's just very important.

Lots of people.  I've always wondered why the lighthouse would be a landmark for someone walking on the beach near the hotel.  Can the lighthouse be seen from that beach area?  Why mention lighthouse at all?

Any of these folks come forward?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 10:02:34 PM
Right now on Greta they are talking about Jett Travolta.  So Greta is definately still in her office tonight.  That doesn't mean that she couldn't be in Aruba tomorrow just not there today.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 10:10:02 PM

I am not sure but ... the way I comprehend ... there are legal issues why the Natalee's Freebirds could not expose the Persistence deception through the usual means of  documentation.  Maybe this same legality prevents the family from exposing the truth.

The Persistence undertaking was a private venture and ... the owner Louis Shaeffer owns the copywrite to the ROV images.  The legality of publishing Kyle's own words submitted under a confidentiality agreement to an internet forum ... words exposing the suspicious happenings that may have been the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... may be an issue.

In other words ... if the Persistence story is ever to be told ... it will be told by Louis Shaeffer from the perspective of John Silvetti.

IMO.

Maybe one of our Monkey Freebirds could expand.

Janet.   

Here's what's funny about that Janet.  NO ONE had  registered copyrights on ANY of the images Kyle shared with us - at least not by the time Kermit posted them here.

But the threat of civil litigation was just as real.  Freebirds would have had to spend big bucks to defend ourselves - while we would have prevailed in a court of law, due to the verbiage in our TOS - the defense of it would have been very costly.

So now there is an option of suing individually - but I'd get a kick out of what grounds any such suit might be brought forth.  When the few don't have to worry about putting the many in potential litigious jeopardy - it's then a no holds barred situation.  ::MonkeyWink::

I'd also get a kick out of any potential lawsuit once the filing attorney got ahold of our TOS.  ::MonkeyWink::

Jen

Hi Jen

If Kermit/Kyle is not implying in the following quote that Louis Shaeffer has the rights to the ROV images ... what is being implied.

Janet
______


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #544 on: December 19, 2008, 06:52:12 PM »


PERHAPS KYLE VIOLATED THE COPYRIGHT HIMSELF

Kyle said: "She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship."
 
The next step:
I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status. I would like a couple people very familiar with the case documents also present to help connect dots during the meeting. I would prefer meeting towards the end of April or mid-May to allow adequate time for things to shake themselves out if is going to. If necessary, I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level. We met in mid-Feb about this already. The question becomes timing, who needs to be there, and whether or not it's covered by the press. I prefer not, but it may be useful. DeVries doesn't need to be there in my opinion but he's good for ratings and helps ABC be cooperative if needed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592533;topicseen#msg592533


Quite the little producer Kyle is.  This was a staged production to him and he was handling this very well.

Blue Moon

When Kyle Kingman approached the Natalee's Freebirds ... I honestly believe it was with the honorable intentions of seeking assistance in how to go about exposing to the family/FBI ... not only the second set of ROV images but ... also his story encompassing the troubling chain of custody in regards to the the contents of the cage ... the contents of the cage that in all probability ... according to Kyle's own words ... could have held the remains of Natalee Holloway.

However ... somewhere along the way Kyle had a change of heart.  Maybe the ongoing professional connection to John Silvetti had something to do with it.  Maybe dollar signs had something to do with it when his attempts to make deals with major networks is considered.

Nevertheless ... it was too late to successfully backtrack from his intial intentions.  He had already revealed on the Natalee's Freebirds' forum everything regarding the apparent deception of the Persistence undertaking as well as the second set of ROV images.

Did Kyle Kingman honestly believe that a group of researchers who only objective for congregating on a private site was to expose the corrupt investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway would remain silent when ... the family was thisclose to possibly bringing their beloved home to rest on American soil.

IMO

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 10:10:24 PM
Right now on Greta they are talking about Jett Travolta.  So Greta is definately still in her office tonight.  That doesn't mean that she couldn't be in Aruba tomorrow just not there today.

It doesn't look like Greta's normal set.  Could she be filming from somewhere else?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2009, 10:14:15 PM
Right now on Greta they are talking about Jett Travolta.  So Greta is definately still in her office tonight.  That doesn't mean that she couldn't be in Aruba tomorrow just not there today.

It doesn't look like Greta's normal set.  Could she be filming from somewhere else?

Entirely possible


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 10:22:42 PM
Janet,

I never could figure that one out, to tell you the truth.

I personally researched the copyrights - and no one involved with the Persistence had registered any.

Then also there is the little gem of Shaefer having RESIGNED his position from the company - so he no longer "owned" anything anyway.

I think Kyle just didn't fully understand that.

But according to Kyle - Shaefer DID sell the rights to those images.  LOL - rights he didn't even own.

Thanks Jen.

Considering his position as owner of the Persistence ... maybe Shaefer paid the wages and ... therefore was entitled to the rights of everything discovered on that undertaking ... whether it was oil related or ... Natalee Holloway related.

Kyle claimed that Shaefer had the rights and ... Kyle claims that Shaefer sold the rights.  Yet ... a search does not reveal confirmation.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Good Night Jen.  Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet

++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle : "She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship."

Kyle: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 10:27:53 PM
Greta usually covers Natalee the very last thing so I shall watch and hold out hope of at least a mention until her program ends.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 10:28:47 PM
Janet,

It appears to me that in order to sell these ROV clips/film that it had to be built up so others would buy into it.  This is sensationalism at it's best.  It is one thing to put all this in a documentary but before doing that you have to have Beth buy into it.  How can you get her to buy into it unless you go to a group of people who you know Beth would trust? Enter the Freebirds.  He used them to build this up so she would accept what we are seeing in the cage and make sure she is not caught off guard by it when it airs.  Sure he wanted her to know ahead of time.  It would have been devastating to have her see this on t.v. and not know about it ahead of time.  It was being setup just like it was on Peter DV's broadcast of Beth seeing the film and watching her reaction before the world.  Bad taste in my opinion.  Maybe Kyle was used by someone higher up but the fact is Beth HAD to know about this ahead of time before a documentary could be sold to one/more tv stations. (JMO)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 10:31:31 PM
No, Greta is live.  She has 2 on camera guests.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 10:34:39 PM
Janet,

It appears to me that in order to sell these ROV clips/film that it had to be built up so others would buy into it.  This is sensationalism at it's best.  It is one thing to put all this in a documentary but before doing that you have to have Beth buy into it.  How can you get her to buy into it unless you go to a group of people who you know Beth would trust? Enter the Freebirds.  He used them to build this up so she would accept what we are seeing in the cage and make sure she is not caught off guard by it when it airs.  Sure he wanted her to know ahead of time.  It would have been devastating to have her see this on t.v. and not know about it ahead of time.  It was being setup just like it was on Peter DV's broadcast of Beth seeing the film and watching her reaction before the world.  Bad taste in my opinion.  Maybe Kyle was used by someone higher up but the fact is Beth HAD to know about this ahead of time before a documentary could be sold to one/more tv stations. (JMO)

I am thinking ... I am thinking.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Blue Moon.

Maybe a Monkey Freebird will respond.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 05, 2009, 10:42:25 PM
Janet,

It appears to me that in order to sell these ROV clips/film that it had to be built up so others would buy into it.  This is sensationalism at it's best.  It is one thing to put all this in a documentary but before doing that you have to have Beth buy into it.  How can you get her to buy into it unless you go to a group of people who you know Beth would trust? Enter the Freebirds.  He used them to build this up so she would accept what we are seeing in the cage and make sure she is not caught off guard by it when it airs.  Sure he wanted her to know ahead of time.  It would have been devastating to have her see this on t.v. and not know about it ahead of time.  It was being setup just like it was on Peter DV's broadcast of Beth seeing the film and watching her reaction before the world.  Bad taste in my opinion.  Maybe Kyle was used by someone higher up but the fact is Beth HAD to know about this ahead of time before a documentary could be sold to one/more tv stations. (JMO)

I am thinking ... I am thinking.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Blue Moon.

Maybe a Monkey Freebird will respond.

Janet
Not a FB, but I'm pretty sure the family DID NOT KNOW of the Jan. 7th pics until at least March (when Private Eye confronted Kyle).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2009, 10:58:26 PM
Janet,

It appears to me that in order to sell these ROV clips/film that it had to be built up so others would buy into it.  This is sensationalism at it's best.  It is one thing to put all this in a documentary but before doing that you have to have Beth buy into it.  How can you get her to buy into it unless you go to a group of people who you know Beth would trust? Enter the Freebirds.  He used them to build this up so she would accept what we are seeing in the cage and make sure she is not caught off guard by it when it airs.  Sure he wanted her to know ahead of time.  It would have been devastating to have her see this on t.v. and not know about it ahead of time.  It was being setup just like it was on Peter DV's broadcast of Beth seeing the film and watching her reaction before the world.  Bad taste in my opinion.  Maybe Kyle was used by someone higher up but the fact is Beth HAD to know about this ahead of time before a documentary could be sold to one/more tv stations. (JMO)

I am thinking ... I am thinking.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Blue Moon.

Maybe a Monkey Freebird will respond.

Janet
Not a FB, but I'm pretty sure the family DID NOT KNOW of the Jan. 7th pics until at least March (when Private Eye confronted Kyle).

Jen's words say it all.

Janet

+++++++++

jen3560
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2008, 04:36:13 PM 


KeeptheFaith and Janet,

After we discovered this information had been withheld from US authorities, we contacted legal counsel, and were advised to keep our distance from Persistence crew members and benefactors - that is when and why Kyle was banned.

That occurred the end of September.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605250#msg605250


klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »


Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
 
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator
Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 05, 2009, 11:02:20 PM
STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

Ms Arlene Schippers(Queen of Bullshit)
Ms Julia Renfro-aka Madame Julia-aka Glenda(Head Giver of Disinformation)
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2009, 11:05:41 PM
Greta didn't say one word about Natalee.

I'm getting worried.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 05, 2009, 11:06:25 PM
STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

Ms Arlene Schippers(Queen of Bullshit)
Ms Julia Renfro-aka Madame Julia-aka Glenda(Head Giver of Disinformation)
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Quote
Ms Julia Renfro-aka Madame Julia-aka Glenda(Head Giver of Disinformation)

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 05, 2009, 11:07:43 PM
Greta didn't say one word about Natalee.

I'm getting worried.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 11:12:11 PM
Greta didn't say one word about Natalee.

I'm getting worried.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

She doesn't appear to be traveling. Maybe because of John Travolta's son's death and them being fellow Scientology members.  She appears very upset about this.  It is very sad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 05, 2009, 11:21:28 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic. Red said "the stars are aligning", Steve Holloway's "message", and the mere fact Beth is in Aruba make me hopeful that something is pre-negotiated here. I do not think Beth would ever go to Aruba again without a "guarantee".

I agree.  Beth and Greta both wouldn't go back unless this was a solution-in-the-works.  I just hope she is not knocked down again by Aruba or the Dutch.

Will they put out an APB on Greta like they did on a previous visit?
Will they follow them as well?
Will they wiretap their conversations?

It is surely not out of the realm of possibility...
Making rules as they go...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 05, 2009, 11:26:04 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic. Red said "the stars are aligning", Steve Holloway's "message", and the mere fact Beth is in Aruba make me hopeful that something is pre-negotiated here. I do not think Beth would ever go to Aruba again without a "guarantee".

I agree.  Beth and Greta both wouldn't go back unless this was a solution-in-the-works.  I just hope she is not knocked down again by Aruba or the Dutch.

Will they put out an APB on Greta like they did on a previous visit?
Will they follow them as well?
Will they wiretap their conversations?

It is surely not out of the realm of possibility...
Making rules as they go...

Probably will do all the above.  That's why I said originally I hope if this is true they have someone to be their body guards to protect them.

Got to sign off, sleep beckons.  Good night all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 05, 2009, 11:30:24 PM
I once again have to disagree with the thought of a compromise. Why would Joran or Jan van der straaten agree to anything?

You're assuming there is "evidence" against them. Now why should they become sacrificial lambs? On what leverage would they be compelled to do such a  thing and why wouldn't that evidence be used against them?

This case is much too public and even in screwed up Aruba law you don't just "negotiate."

I would rather see them go after Paulus and convict him as he is the murderer. Nobody is going to care what he "has" on anyone else, he'll just be pissing in the wind. And who would believe him anyway?

It's all or nothing for justice for Natalee. We already know "mistakes were made."

How is that a settlement?

Aruba is not sweating just yet...Trust me...
They have installed multiple layers of resistence...
Threats and intimidation probably included...
Eventually, DDAY will arrive for them, though...

Just so amazing...What great lengths they have gone to...And will continue to go to...
I bet Aruba wishes it could have handled things a little different from the onset...
Live by the sword, Die by the sword...Karmas a bitch...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 05, 2009, 11:38:19 PM
Biggest fears
(1) Brinkman = Mos = Jansen
(2) International distraction to case...


Just thinking back...
The audacity of the Aruban Government/Police... Humiliation of Beth by forcing her to hold an international press conference, televised to the world, to apologize to three scumbags suspects, who most likely abducted, raped, and murdered her daughter. As if grieving the loss of your loved one, a child, is not bad enough to deal with...Absolutely frickin' unbelievable.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 06, 2009, 12:02:09 AM
I sure hope Marlon is not the big arrest!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think this is going to require some Key Lime pie to cope with.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 06, 2009, 12:09:21 AM
I sure hope Marlon is not the big arrest!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think this is going to require some Key Lime pie to cope with.




So Greta said absolutely nothing about Natalee????  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 06, 2009, 12:11:05 AM
Cautiously optimistic -- leaning pessimistic


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 06, 2009, 12:17:56 AM
Cautiously optimistic -- leaning pessimistic

Pessimists can be pleasantly surprised or say 'I told you so'.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 06, 2009, 12:21:29 AM
Cautiously optimistic -- leaning pessimistic

Pessimists can be pleasantly surprised or say 'I told you so'.   ::MonkeyWink::
I hope I'm pleasantly surprised.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 06, 2009, 12:49:31 AM
Cautiously optimistic -- leaning pessimistic

Pessimists can be pleasantly surprised or say 'I told you so'.   ::MonkeyWink::
I hope I'm pleasantly surprised.
I hope that We All Are!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: msmarple on January 06, 2009, 01:11:56 AM
A belated Happy New Year to you monkeys ...

I would like to thank texasmom, who has been watching the Aruba publications AND posting to the Murder and Crime thread (see my sig line). I am sorry, but I have not been able to "read" those publications lately.

Also thanks to johan555, who posts crime articles here on the Natalee thread.

The M&C thread presently has a whopping 96,535 views. It's the ideal crash course on Aruba. If you haven't done so, start at Page 1. You will NOT be bored.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 01:23:10 AM
1/6/2009 Awe Mainta Page 7

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01062009AweMaintaPg7a.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

today tardi ministerio publico dispuesto for give one update of investigacion of natalee holloway yesterday we of awemainta owing to achieve invitacion of part of ministerio publico, bao condicion, for one conferencia of prensa today, tuesday 6 of january of 2.30 for 3.30’or of nightfall. the conferencia of prensa here, as menciona will take lugar at edificio of conseho of minister. thing is some odd, because t’e so far cu we know, reunionnan of conseho of minister do not take lugar more in bestuurskantoor, where not have none minister more sit, already cu all owing to muda for they respectivo edificionan. but we is believe cu will is in sitting-room of meeting of conseho of minister. topico is one update in the investigacion of desaparicion of natalee holloway, confirmando cu till still the caso here do not close. today, depende if ministerio publico will continua cu the conferencia of prensa here, will divulga more detayes of the afamado caso here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 01:30:49 AM
A belated Happy New Year to you monkeys ...

I would like to thank texasmom, who has been watching the Aruba publications AND posting to the Murder and Crime thread (see my sig line). I am sorry, but I have not been able to "read" those publications lately.

Also thanks to johan555, who posts crime articles here on the Natalee thread.

The M&C thread presently has a whopping 96,535 views. It's the ideal crash course on Aruba. If you haven't done so, start at Page 1. You will NOT be bored.

Happy New Year to you Ms. Marple!

You're welcome.  I have not been spending as much time getting those articles into the Murder and Crime Thread as I should have.  I have so many that are not posted!  :oops: My goal is to improve on this.  Thank you for your kindness!

 ::MonkeyCool::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 01:32:14 AM
Hi Msmarple - good to see you!

Thanks Texasmom!  I'll keep my fingers crossed that something will happen tomorrow!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 01:34:00 AM
Tomorrow is day 2 in the week of the "Major" arrest!Who will it be if anybody... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 06, 2009, 01:44:48 AM
1/6/2009 Awe Mainta Page 7

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01062009AweMaintaPg7a.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

today tardi ministerio publico dispuesto for give one update of investigacion of natalee holloway yesterday we of awemainta owing to achieve invitacion of part of ministerio publico, bao condicion, for one conferencia of prensa today, tuesday 6 of january of 2.30 for 3.30’or of nightfall. the conferencia of prensa here, as menciona will take lugar at edificio of conseho of minister. thing is some odd, because t’e so far cu we know, reunionnan of conseho of minister do not take lugar more in bestuurskantoor, where not have none minister more sit, already cu all owing to muda for they respectivo edificionan. but we is believe cu will is in sitting-room of meeting of conseho of minister. topico is one update in the investigacion of desaparicion of natalee holloway, confirmando cu till still the caso here do not close. today, depende if ministerio publico will continua cu the conferencia of prensa here, will divulga more detayes of the afamado caso here.
Thank You TM!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 01:47:26 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 01:49:51 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!

Goodnight Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 01:56:18 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!

You're welcome Klaas; and my fingers are crossed too!   ::MonkeyWink::

Goodnight!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 01:58:36 AM
1/6/2009 Awe Mainta Page 7

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01062009AweMaintaPg7a.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

today tardi ministerio publico dispuesto for give one update of investigacion of natalee holloway yesterday we of awemainta owing to achieve invitacion of part of ministerio publico, bao condicion, for one conferencia of prensa today, tuesday 6 of january of 2.30 for 3.30’or of nightfall. the conferencia of prensa here, as menciona will take lugar at edificio of conseho of minister. thing is some odd, because t’e so far cu we know, reunionnan of conseho of minister do not take lugar more in bestuurskantoor, where not have none minister more sit, already cu all owing to muda for they respectivo edificionan. but we is believe cu will is in sitting-room of meeting of conseho of minister. topico is one update in the investigacion of desaparicion of natalee holloway, confirmando cu till still the caso here do not close. today, depende if ministerio publico will continua cu the conferencia of prensa here, will divulga more detayes of the afamado caso here.
Thank You TM!  ::MonkeyWink::

You're welcome Hotping!  I've been lighting candles, saying prayers, crossing fingers; and hoping like crazy that something will happen soon that will be positive for Natalee and her family!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 02:07:24 AM
Goodnight Monkey's.I must rest and get ready for day two of arrest week!I will pray that Paulus passes away this week from the loss of bodily fluid from sweating to much.... ::MonkeyHaHa::Jusss kiddding Monkey's.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 02:18:02 AM
Goodnight Monkey's.I must rest and get ready for day two of arrest week!I will pray that Paulus passes away this week from the loss of bodily fluid from sweating to much.... ::MonkeyHaHa::Jusss kiddding Monkey's.

Nite KTF!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 06, 2009, 02:27:59 AM
1/6/2009 Awe Mainta Page 7

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01062009AweMaintaPg7a.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

today tardi ministerio publico dispuesto for give one update of investigacion of natalee holloway yesterday we of awemainta owing to achieve invitacion of part of ministerio publico, bao condicion, for one conferencia of prensa today, tuesday 6 of january of 2.30 for 3.30’or of nightfall. the conferencia of prensa here, as menciona will take lugar at edificio of conseho of minister. thing is some odd, because t’e so far cu we know, reunionnan of conseho of minister do not take lugar more in bestuurskantoor, where not have none minister more sit, already cu all owing to muda for they respectivo edificionan. but we is believe cu will is in sitting-room of meeting of conseho of minister. topico is one update in the investigacion of desaparicion of natalee holloway, confirmando cu till still the caso here do not close. today, depende if ministerio publico will continua cu the conferencia of prensa here, will divulga more detayes of the afamado caso here.
Thank You TM!  ::MonkeyWink::

You're welcome Hotping!  I've been lighting candles, saying prayers, crossing fingers; and hoping like crazy that something will happen soon that will be positive for Natalee and her family!
Me Too! I'm being Very Positive I just have a feeling that in the near future We all will be pleasantly surprised.....  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 06, 2009, 03:00:44 AM
1/6/2009 Awe Mainta Page 7

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01062009AweMaintaPg7a.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

today tardi ministerio publico dispuesto for give one update of investigacion of natalee holloway yesterday we of awemainta owing to achieve invitacion of part of ministerio publico, bao condicion, for one conferencia of prensa today, tuesday 6 of january of 2.30 for 3.30’or of nightfall. the conferencia of prensa here, as menciona will take lugar at edificio of conseho of minister. thing is some odd, because t’e so far cu we know, reunionnan of conseho of minister do not take lugar more in bestuurskantoor, where not have none minister more sit, already cu all owing to muda for they respectivo edificionan. but we is believe cu will is in sitting-room of meeting of conseho of minister. topico is one update in the investigacion of desaparicion of natalee holloway, confirmando cu till still the caso here do not close. today, depende if ministerio publico will continua cu the conferencia of prensa here, will divulga more detayes of the afamado caso here.

so at 2:30 PM Aruban time a press conference.

this talk about a 'major arrest' this week. where does this information come from?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 06, 2009, 03:03:00 AM
It appears that Greta is in her studio tonight and not in Aruba.  Her Greta LiveWire is in the studio:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?stream=1

So does that mean the Aruban media who announced it was wrong?

Maybe a bad translation?  Maybe Greta and Beth are DUE to arrive??  I really don't know.  I'm going to watch the beginning of Greta and see if she says anything.

yes, i think DUE to arrive.
it was also said that Brinkman gave his 2nd interview to FOX on Sunday.
so this is still to be broadcasted? or did we miss this?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 03:10:01 AM
It appears that Greta is in her studio tonight and not in Aruba.  Her Greta LiveWire is in the studio:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?stream=1

So does that mean the Aruban media who announced it was wrong?

Maybe a bad translation?  Maybe Greta and Beth are DUE to arrive??  I really don't know.  I'm going to watch the beginning of Greta and see if she says anything.

yes, i think DUE to arrive.
it was also said that Brinkman gave his 2nd interview to FOX on Sunday.
so this is still to be broadcasted? or did we miss this?

I don't think Greta broadcast anything tonight about it.  I saw most of her show.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 03:11:59 AM
1/6/2009 Awe Mainta Page 7

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01062009AweMaintaPg7a.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

today tardi ministerio publico dispuesto for give one update of investigacion of natalee holloway yesterday we of awemainta owing to achieve invitacion of part of ministerio publico, bao condicion, for one conferencia of prensa today, tuesday 6 of january of 2.30 for 3.30’or of nightfall. the conferencia of prensa here, as menciona will take lugar at edificio of conseho of minister. thing is some odd, because t’e so far cu we know, reunionnan of conseho of minister do not take lugar more in bestuurskantoor, where not have none minister more sit, already cu all owing to muda for they respectivo edificionan. but we is believe cu will is in sitting-room of meeting of conseho of minister. topico is one update in the investigacion of desaparicion of natalee holloway, confirmando cu till still the caso here do not close. today, depende if ministerio publico will continua cu the conferencia of prensa here, will divulga more detayes of the afamado caso here.

so at 2:30 PM Aruban time a press conference.

this talk about a 'major arrest' this week. where does this information come from?

I think that came from a post of caps. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 06, 2009, 03:12:05 AM
It appears that Greta is in her studio tonight and not in Aruba.  Her Greta LiveWire is in the studio:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?stream=1

So does that mean the Aruban media who announced it was wrong?

Maybe a bad translation?  Maybe Greta and Beth are DUE to arrive??  I really don't know.  I'm going to watch the beginning of Greta and see if she says anything.

yes, i think DUE to arrive.
it was also said that Brinkman gave his 2nd interview to FOX on Sunday.
so this is still to be broadcasted? or did we miss this?

I don't think Greta broadcast anything tonight about it.  I saw most of her show.
Nope.. not a word tonight from Greta about Natalee or Aruba...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: finngirl on January 06, 2009, 03:13:23 AM
so at 2:30 PM Aruban time a press conference.

this talk about a 'major arrest' this week. where does this information come from?

not sure if this is what you're looking for (?) :

Reply #115 on: January 02, 2009, 02:17:45 AM
The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.

Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon.

Question: how many years did the USA took to get Gotti Convicted.?

So like a said: in colombia they call those that make information up to confuse the issues of this case a SAPO.

How can we hunt for lions while those on this net is working against the work at hand. Watch a movie is not like reading the book of the movie.

In the state the only thing that can be done right now is to pray...since those that scream the loudest are not in the field...but is try to confuse the world.

Things has happend but like I said before. A Sapo war is a lost war....

Remeber 911 ....the first attempt was that the basement, but then the media did give a whole information on how the building was done and how strong it was and where the weakest link were.....where is it now...

if we want to win we have to investigate and not pointing finger to those that are at work...

What ever kyle did and the OE did, I do not know, I was not there. I work alone with a group that can not be put at risk

What I hate the most of this site now is the way the information is twisted, but it is the same method that was use by those that made Natalee desapear, they twist the info.

If anyone to work on the case work on the case. but all that was said is said, we are not working in the future but with info that has been twisted in 2005 and need to be put back straight...

Investigate, but never assume and make thing up or cut and paste and reassamble what people said to proof your own view without knowing the real context in which that particular text was written or no even knowing what was the question to the origin of the text.

Every event in 2005 had a flow and when the truth is change, we allways will have a paradox. and I see it happend here in this forum also or should I call it SM Paradox.

Peter devries tried to put in in a movie but it does not compute, and so a lot is trying to assamble the story.

Read again what I say, how can you hunt lions without a local guide. and put your own magination those all that has tried to build a picture of this case;

and jumb the gun for some momement of sensation, they do not know the real truth, but they do not sit everyday in aruba and continue with the work at hand...all take carefully planning, and all seems to forget one thing, and that is in the question above...to know who (the corrupt Babylons) takes time, but go to war without knowing them is suicidal to all.

CAPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.100



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 03:13:46 AM
caesu,
I hope you are keeping your eyes on the papers there, rumor is that Joran is in Holland; Arnhem if I remember correctly.

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 03:14:36 AM



Thanks finngirl!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 06, 2009, 03:14:48 AM
It appears that Greta is in her studio tonight and not in Aruba.  Her Greta LiveWire is in the studio:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?stream=1

So does that mean the Aruban media who announced it was wrong?

Maybe a bad translation?  Maybe Greta and Beth are DUE to arrive??  I really don't know.  I'm going to watch the beginning of Greta and see if she says anything.

yes, i think DUE to arrive.
it was also said that Brinkman gave his 2nd interview to FOX on Sunday.
so this is still to be broadcasted? or did we miss this?
So Greta and Beth are Due to arrive it did not say that They were already there? I don't believe that Brinkman's 2nd interview has been broadcast yet....no I don't think that We missed it...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 06, 2009, 03:24:09 AM
leader of the PVV, Wilders is getting involved now:

- demands from prime-minister Balkenende to sack Rudy Croes.

- compares Rudy Croes with Ugandan dictator Idi Amin  ::MonkeyLaugh::

- if they touch Brinkman with one finger Wilders is going to plead  Chavez that he takes over that 'medieval Aruban gang'.

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article1938394.ece/Wilders_woest_over_bedreigen_Brinkman_op_Aruba.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 06, 2009, 03:26:25 AM
'corrupt criminal medieval Aruban gang' that is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: finngirl on January 06, 2009, 03:28:08 AM
Thanks finngirl!

Y/W  :cool:

gotta go ...
I'm being bombarded by pop-ups
(grrrrr)

laters



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 03:36:12 AM
leader of the PVV, Wilders is getting involved now:

- demands from prime-minister Balkenende to sack Rudy Croes.

- compares Rudy Croes with Ugandan dictator Idi Amin  ::MonkeyLaugh::

- if they touch Brinkman with one finger Wilders is going to plead  Chavez that he takes over that 'medieval Aruban gang'.

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article1938394.ece/Wilders_woest_over_bedreigen_Brinkman_op_Aruba.html



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

It's funny, but it's not because they truly have a "gang" mentality there!   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 03:44:08 AM
1/6/2009 Awe Mainta Pg 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

iron brinkman wanted organize conferencia on corupcion

the acolyte of the delegacion member of parliament dutch that the week here is at aruba for reuni cu they coleganan antiyano y aruban, iron brinkman owing to anunciá cu his faction is trahando on one movemento across from corupcion cu they wanted culminá cu one conferencia of kingdom on the exercise here. for motibo of declaracionnan of iron brinkman, the conferencia member of parliament at còrsow not owing to sigi year ago, because brinkman owing to calling politiconan antiyano one trupa of bandido. now iron brinkman owing to ripiti same comentario at aruba cu owing to place cu if the not retira his comentario, the meeting tripartidario at aruba, will not follow niether. esey t’e decision take end at aruba yesterday. brinkman is determiná for organize the conferencia across from corupcion, because past owing to find thousand of message electrónico of antiyano y aruban in we country y at the netherlands, kendenan is bark corupcion. already end the have one are of person alineá, kendenan is critico of the politiconan corupto cu is at power actualmente. iron brinkman is admiti cu the not can change the cultura on we islands, because esey is tarea of we people, but cu esey do not stroba for form one movemento of integridad politico cu can even bay eleccion. the verano future iron brinkman wanted organize the conferencia across from corupcion, because the is believe cu problemanan as crimen y poverty is culpa of politiconan corupto cu is enrikesé they self instead of inverti in educacion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 06, 2009, 03:44:22 AM
Goodnight All! I'm Praying for Justice for Natalee! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 03:46:58 AM


Goodnight Hotping, I'm praying for the same!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 03:48:47 AM
1/6/2009 Awe Mainta Pg 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01062009AweMaintaPg2_1a.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

iron brinkman wanted organize conferencia on corupcion

the acolyte of the delegacion member of parliament dutch that the week here is at aruba for reuni cu they coleganan antiyano y aruban, iron brinkman owing to anunciá cu his faction is trahando on one movemento across from corupcion cu they wanted culminá cu one conferencia of kingdom on the exercise here. for motibo of declaracionnan of iron brinkman, the conferencia member of parliament at còrsow not owing to sigi year ago, because brinkman owing to calling politiconan antiyano one trupa of bandido. now iron brinkman owing to ripiti same comentario at aruba cu owing to place cu if the not retira his comentario, the meeting tripartidario at aruba, will not follow niether. esey t’e decision take end at aruba yesterday. brinkman is determiná for organize the conferencia across from corupcion, because past owing to find thousand of message electrónico of antiyano y aruban in we country y at the netherlands, kendenan is bark corupcion. already end the have one are of person alineá, kendenan is critico of the politiconan corupto cu is at power actualmente. iron brinkman is admiti cu the not can change the cultura on we islands, because esey is tarea of we people, but cu esey do not stroba for form one movemento of integridad politico cu can even bay eleccion. the verano future iron brinkman wanted organize the conferencia across from corupcion, because the is believe cu problemanan as crimen y poverty is culpa of politiconan corupto cu is enrikesé they self instead of inverti in educacion.

I didn't notice the date at the top of that article until after I'd posted it, but it IS from today's online edition of Awe Mainta.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 03:56:21 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/CarpePicNatalee1.png)

THANK YOU HERO BRINKMAN, FOR STANDING UP FOR THE GIRL!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::  

            JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 03:58:31 AM


Goodnight Icehawk and 12 guests!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 04:11:03 AM
leader of the PVV, Wilders is getting involved now:

- demands from prime-minister Balkenende to sack Rudy Croes.

- compares Rudy Croes with Ugandan dictator Idi Amin  ::MonkeyLaugh::

- if they touch Brinkman with one finger Wilders is going to plead  Chavez that he takes over that 'medieval Aruban gang'.

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article1938394.ece/Wilders_woest_over_bedreigen_Brinkman_op_Aruba.html



Wilders furious about threaten Brinkman in Aruba (Reuters) -

(Google Translation)

PVV leader Geert Wilders is furious over threats to Aruba would be done to address the party Hero Brinkman. Thus, the Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes said that Brinkman "a slap on his face is' and the protocol chief of the island, Eric Bret, said that he would arrange Brinkman is beaten up.
 
Brinkman with thirteen other members of the Dutch parliament since Monday in the West for the semi-annual Parliamentary Discussion Kingdom. His visits to the islands are not always without incidents.

The Curacao PVV'er said on Sunday that a motion should be borne Antilleans to the alleged corruption in the islands to address. Ninety percent of politicians in the West can he be regarded as corrupt. An earlier parliamentary discussions on the new structure was abandoned when Brinkman the islands' corrupt crooks nest 'above'.

Wilders calls Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in the Chamber or which would require Croes resignation. Croes Wilders compares with the former dictator Idi Amin of Uganda and believes that the Aruban are edgings' must address.

The PVV leader, let there be no ambiguity about the fact that "the Arubans' Brinkman alone should leave. "If the Hero Brinkman Arubans with even a finger to touch me personally go to Venezuela for Chavez to beg that corrupt medieval Aruban criminal gang to take over."

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article1938394.ece/Wilders_woest_over_bedreigen_Brinkman_op_Aruba.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 06, 2009, 06:25:37 AM
large photos of Brinkman - Brete incident:

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/352631/ec6a04e7/brinkman_vs._brete.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 06, 2009, 08:08:02 AM
Actually, as I remember this Blonde, and I followed the case pretty closely, is that she was last seen by her family sleeping on the balcony of their cabin at like 3 am in the morning. She left her cigarettes outside on the balcony table.  She had hung around the band members during the cruise. But as far as anyone was aware, her family saw her sleeping on the balcony as the last visual. 

Yes a few of us did.
FOUL PLAY is suspected in the March 24, 1998, mysterious disappearance of AMY LYNN BRADLEY...a vibrant, beautiful and intelligent 23 years young girl who recently graduated college and has a very promising future. She was on a vacation cruise with her family in the Caribbean at the time of her disappearance.

AMY is an American citizen who 'vanished' while aboard a foreign vessel in international waters. She was leisurely traveling with her mother, father and younger brother aboard the cruise ship Rhapsody of the Seas (a Norwegian Flag Ship) which is owned and operated by Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines of Miami, Florida. The cruise ship was near docking procedures into port in the island of Curacao, Netherlands Antilles, the Caribbean. It is known that Amy left her Cabin in the wee hours of the morning of March 24, 1998, with her cigarettes and lighter...predictably she was not wearing shoes because where she thought she was going, she would not be gone long and would not need her shoes. This is where the mystery begins! Who was Amy going to meet at this time of the morning? Why would she take her cigarettes and lighter? There are many questions here that need answering, but unfortunately neither Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines nor any Government authorities are providing any answers and, at this time, it appears that neither of these entities are making any inquiries at all regarding Amy's disappearance.

It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter).

It is also known that Amy had no reason to run away...her background and her family's backgrounds have been checked thoroughly by the FBI and Amy shows no signs of a 'runaway profile' nor are any of the Bradley family members suspect. One scenario suggests that Amy may have willingly met with a crew member who she had come to trust who then put her in a position of coercion, or even more probable, Amy may have observed an illegal activity and become a liability.

There are many unanswered questions that require answers. Why would a multi-million cruise line not help in the search for Amy? To this date Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines, owners of the cruise ship, have not cooperated at all with the Bradley family by way of information or assistance or cooperation.

Mainstream media is taking a very close look at Amy Bradley's disappearance.

The bottom line is that Ron and Iva Bradley went on the Rhapsody of the Seas cruise ship to the Caribbean in March of 1998 and came back to their home in Virginia WITHOUT their daughter, Amy. Brother Brad came home to Virginia WITHOUT his sister, Amy.

Amy Bradley's disappearance is indeed a mystery! As to what has happened to Amy...it is believed that there are certain individuals in the Caribbean and possibly even South America who have knowledge of Amy's whereabouts.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=960.msg361295#msg361295


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: KYcat on January 06, 2009, 08:15:04 AM

Ms Arlene Schippers(Queen of Bullshit)
Ms Julia Renfro-aka Madame Julia-aka Glenda(Head Giver of Disinformation)
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Couldn't resist.................

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 08:24:42 AM
Good morning monkeys!

Off to work, have a great day!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: COLOMBO on January 06, 2009, 08:31:29 AM
Actually, as I remember this Blonde, and I followed the case pretty closely, is that she was last seen by her family sleeping on the balcony of their cabin at like 3 am in the morning. She left her cigarettes outside on the balcony table.  She had hung around the band members during the cruise. But as far as anyone was aware, her family saw her sleeping on the balcony as the last visual. 

Yes a few of us did.
FOUL PLAY is suspected in the March 24, 1998, mysterious disappearance of AMY LYNN BRADLEY...a vibrant, beautiful and intelligent 23 years young girl who recently graduated college and has a very promising future. She was on a vacation cruise with her family in the Caribbean at the time of her disappearance.

AMY is an American citizen who 'vanished' while aboard a foreign vessel in international waters. She was leisurely traveling with her mother, father and younger brother aboard the cruise ship Rhapsody of the Seas (a Norwegian Flag Ship) which is owned and operated by Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines of Miami, Florida. The cruise ship was near docking procedures into port in the island of Curacao, Netherlands Antilles, the Caribbean. It is known that Amy left her Cabin in the wee hours of the morning of March 24, 1998, with her cigarettes and lighter...predictably she was not wearing shoes because where she thought she was going, she would not be gone long and would not need her shoes. This is where the mystery begins! Who was Amy going to meet at this time of the morning? Why would she take her cigarettes and lighter? There are many questions here that need answering, but unfortunately neither Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines nor any Government authorities are providing any answers and, at this time, it appears that neither of these entities are making any inquiries at all regarding Amy's disappearance.

It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter).

It is also known that Amy had no reason to run away...her background and her family's backgrounds have been checked thoroughly by the FBI and Amy shows no signs of a 'runaway profile' nor are any of the Bradley family members suspect. One scenario suggests that Amy may have willingly met with a crew member who she had come to trust who then put her in a position of coercion, or even more probable, Amy may have observed an illegal activity and become a liability.

There are many unanswered questions that require answers. Why would a multi-million cruise line not help in the search for Amy? To this date Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines, owners of the cruise ship, have not cooperated at all with the Bradley family by way of information or assistance or cooperation.

Mainstream media is taking a very close look at Amy Bradley's disappearance.

The bottom line is that Ron and Iva Bradley went on the Rhapsody of the Seas cruise ship to the Caribbean in March of 1998 and came back to their home in Virginia WITHOUT their daughter, Amy. Brother Brad came home to Virginia WITHOUT his sister, Amy.

Amy Bradley's disappearance is indeed a mystery! As to what has happened to Amy...it is believed that there are certain individuals in the Caribbean and possibly even South America who have knowledge of Amy's whereabouts.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=960.msg361295#msg361295

interesting: who were the last folks seen with the guy who went overboard a few years later?
where in the ship did his wife wake up?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11043504/page/2/




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 06, 2009, 08:34:53 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Poochy on January 06, 2009, 08:35:25 AM
Actually, as I remember this Blonde, and I followed the case pretty closely, is that she was last seen by her family sleeping on the balcony of their cabin at like 3 am in the morning. She left her cigarettes outside on the balcony table.  She had hung around the band members during the cruise. But as far as anyone was aware, her family saw her sleeping on the balcony as the last visual. 

Yes a few of us did.
FOUL PLAY is suspected in the March 24, 1998, mysterious disappearance of AMY LYNN BRADLEY...a vibrant, beautiful and intelligent 23 years young girl who recently graduated college and has a very promising future. She was on a vacation cruise with her family in the Caribbean at the time of her disappearance.

AMY is an American citizen who 'vanished' while aboard a foreign vessel in international waters. She was leisurely traveling with her mother, father and younger brother aboard the cruise ship Rhapsody of the Seas (a Norwegian Flag Ship) which is owned and operated by Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines of Miami, Florida. The cruise ship was near docking procedures into port in the island of Curacao, Netherlands Antilles, the Caribbean. It is known that Amy left her Cabin in the wee hours of the morning of March 24, 1998, with her cigarettes and lighter...predictably she was not wearing shoes because where she thought she was going, she would not be gone long and would not need her shoes. This is where the mystery begins! Who was Amy going to meet at this time of the morning? Why would she take her cigarettes and lighter? There are many questions here that need answering, but unfortunately neither Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines nor any Government authorities are providing any answers and, at this time, it appears that neither of these entities are making any inquiries at all regarding Amy's disappearance.

It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter).

It is also known that Amy had no reason to run away...her background and her family's backgrounds have been checked thoroughly by the FBI and Amy shows no signs of a 'runaway profile' nor are any of the Bradley family members suspect. One scenario suggests that Amy may have willingly met with a crew member who she had come to trust who then put her in a position of coercion, or even more probable, Amy may have observed an illegal activity and become a liability.

There are many unanswered questions that require answers. Why would a multi-million cruise line not help in the search for Amy? To this date Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines, owners of the cruise ship, have not cooperated at all with the Bradley family by way of information or assistance or cooperation.

Mainstream media is taking a very close look at Amy Bradley's disappearance.

The bottom line is that Ron and Iva Bradley went on the Rhapsody of the Seas cruise ship to the Caribbean in March of 1998 and came back to their home in Virginia WITHOUT their daughter, Amy. Brother Brad came home to Virginia WITHOUT his sister, Amy.

Amy Bradley's disappearance is indeed a mystery! As to what has happened to Amy...it is believed that there are certain individuals in the Caribbean and possibly even South America who have knowledge of Amy's whereabouts.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=960.msg361295#msg361295

interesting: who were the last folks seen with the guy who went overboard a few years later?
where in the ship did his wife wake up?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11043504/page/2/

Colombo, I think she woke up on one of the decks, in a lounge chair, after being dead drunk or drugged - forgot which now (maybe both) as they were drinking absinth (sp?) in the bar the night before. The deck is different than your balcony tied off of your room. The only way to get onto a balcony not from a room is from another balcony, either above, below or from either side.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 06, 2009, 08:46:35 AM
She was found passed out in a hallway, put in a wheelchair and carried back to her stateroom ... iirc


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 06, 2009, 08:57:18 AM
In his communications with us - Mr Brinkman said it was January 6 that he/they would be having their talks in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 06, 2009, 09:17:18 AM

{snipped}

Did Kyle Kingman honestly believe that a group of researchers who only objective for congregating on a private site was to expose the corrupt investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway would remain silent when ... the family was thisclose to possibly bringing their beloved home to rest on American soil.

IMO

Janet



Janet --

It became an issue of 'Kyle or Natalee'. IMO. I think that the Monkeys can easily tell which of the Freebirds chose Natalee.

UNLIKE a few Freebirds who are at cng -- WITH Kyle and CAPS.  ::MonkeyWink::

BlueMoon -- Kyle did set out to use the Freebirds. IMO. Not so much to 'create a stir' -- but more that he thought he could use us as his 'ghost writers' and 'grunts'.


(My husband's aunt died from cancer this morning. I will be making travel arrangements, etc, along with everything else in life. I may not be around much -- I'm only sharing this so that no one thinks that their questions are being avoided by this poster.)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 06, 2009, 09:47:11 AM
Sharon, sorry for your family's loss. God Bless.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2009, 10:00:07 AM

(My husband's aunt died from cancer this morning. I will be making travel arrangements, etc, along with everything else in life. I may not be around much -- I'm only sharing this so that no one thinks that their questions are being avoided by this poster.)


Thank for sharing sharon.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family at this sad time.  Stay safe as you travel.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 10:36:59 AM
Posted by Glenda at RU.  Also RED left me a message this morning that IF there is a press conference or anything good to feel free and post on the front page of SM.



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: snoopy on January 06, 2009, 10:38:44 AM
sharon your family is in my prayers.  Travel safely.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 06, 2009, 10:42:28 AM
Posted by Glenda at RU.  Also RED left me a message this morning that IF there is a press conference or anything good to feel free and post on the front page of SM.



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Glenda010609.jpg)


Klass,

I'm at work and photobucket is blocked.  What did you post below your comments?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 10:44:04 AM
Posted by Glenda at RU.  Also RED left me a message this morning that IF there is a press conference or anything good to feel free and post on the front page of SM.



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Glenda010609.jpg)


Klass,

I'm at work and photobucket is blocked.  What did you post below your comments?
Glenda posted this morning at RU:

Mark Fuhrman and JQK meet with.....   

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Brinkman..... later Mos....

Guess we'll have to wait for Greta to find out what was said?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 10:49:09 AM
Press Conference today in Aruba at 2:30 PM..Awemainta article mentions update on the case.


Awemainta Januray 6th 2009
(Papi Translation)
today tardi ministerio publico dispuesto for give one update of investigacion of natalee holloway yesterday we of awemainta owing to achieve invitacion of part of ministerio publico, bao condicion, for one press conference today, tuesday 6 of january of 2.30 for 3.30’or of nightfall. the press conference here, as menciona will take lugar at edificio of conseho of minister. thing is some odd, because t’e so far cu we know, reunionnan of conseho of minister do not take lugar more in bestuurskantoor, where not have none minister more sit, already cu all owing to muda for they respectivo edificionan. but we is believe cu will is in sitting-room of meeting of conseho of minister. topico is one update in the investigacion of desaparicion of natalee holloway, confirmando cu till still the caso here will not close. today, depends if ministerio publico will continua cu the press conference here, will disclose more details of the famous case here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 06, 2009, 11:07:04 AM
Press Conference today in Aruba at 2:30 PM..Awemainta article mentions update on the case.


Awemainta Januray 6th 2009
(Papi Translation)
today tardi ministerio publico dispuesto for give one update of investigacion of natalee holloway yesterday we of awemainta owing to achieve invitacion of part of ministerio publico, bao condicion, for one press conference today, tuesday 6 of january of 2.30 for 3.30’or of nightfall. the press conference here, as menciona will take lugar at edificio of conseho of minister. thing is some odd, because t’e so far cu we know, reunionnan of conseho of minister do not take lugar more in bestuurskantoor, where not have none minister more sit, already cu all owing to muda for they respectivo edificionan. but we is believe cu will is in sitting-room of meeting of conseho of minister. topico is one update in the investigacion of desaparicion of natalee holloway, confirmando cu till still the caso here will not close. today, depends if ministerio publico will continua cu the press conference here, will disclose more details of the famous case here.

Klass,

What time zone is that 2:30 in?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 11:10:10 AM
Press Conference today in Aruba at 2:30 PM..Awemainta article mentions update on the case.


Awemainta Januray 6th 2009
(Papi Translation)
today tardi ministerio publico dispuesto for give one update of investigacion of natalee holloway yesterday we of awemainta owing to achieve invitacion of part of ministerio publico, bao condicion, for one press conference today, tuesday 6 of january of 2.30 for 3.30’or of nightfall. the press conference here, as menciona will take lugar at edificio of conseho of minister. thing is some odd, because t’e so far cu we know, reunionnan of conseho of minister do not take lugar more in bestuurskantoor, where not have none minister more sit, already cu all owing to muda for they respectivo edificionan. but we is believe cu will is in sitting-room of meeting of conseho of minister. topico is one update in the investigacion of desaparicion of natalee holloway, confirmando cu till still the caso here will not close. today, depends if ministerio publico will continua cu the press conference here, will disclose more details of the famous case here.

Klass,

What time zone is that 2:30 in?

I believe it's approx 12:10pm in Aruba right now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 06, 2009, 11:10:16 AM
Press Conference today in Aruba at 2:30 PM..Awemainta article mentions update on the case.


Awemainta Januray 6th 2009
(Papi Translation)
today tardi ministerio publico dispuesto for give one update of investigacion of natalee holloway yesterday we of awemainta owing to achieve invitacion of part of ministerio publico, bao condicion, for one press conference today, tuesday 6 of january of 2.30 for 3.30’or of nightfall. the press conference here, as menciona will take lugar at edificio of conseho of minister. thing is some odd, because t’e so far cu we know, reunionnan of conseho of minister do not take lugar more in bestuurskantoor, where not have none minister more sit, already cu all owing to muda for they respectivo edificionan. but we is believe cu will is in sitting-room of meeting of conseho of minister. topico is one update in the investigacion of desaparicion of natalee holloway, confirmando cu till still the caso here will not close. today, depends if ministerio publico will continua cu the press conference here, will disclose more details of the famous case here.

Klass,

What time zone is that 2:30 in?

The time is 12:10pm there right now


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 06, 2009, 11:21:11 AM

{snipped}

Did Kyle Kingman honestly believe that a group of researchers who only objective for congregating on a private site was to expose the corrupt investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway would remain silent when ... the family was thisclose to possibly bringing their beloved home to rest on American soil.

IMO

Janet



Janet --

It became an issue of 'Kyle or Natalee'. IMO. I think that the Monkeys can easily tell which of the Freebirds chose Natalee.

UNLIKE a few Freebirds who are at cng -- WITH Kyle and CAPS.  ::MonkeyWink::

BlueMoon -- Kyle did set out to use the Freebirds. IMO. Not so much to 'create a stir' -- but more that he thought he could use us as his 'ghost writers' and 'grunts'.


(My husband's aunt died from cancer this morning. I will be making travel arrangements, etc, along with everything else in life. I may not be around much -- I'm only sharing this so that no one thinks that their questions are being avoided by this poster.)





Thanks Sharon for responding.  This is my feelings also that you all were used to put together their dirty work, expose it, and then they would reap the benefits of the documentary.

Sorry about your husband's aunt.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 06, 2009, 11:50:20 AM
Sharon

I'm Sorry to hear about Your Loss and God Bless You and Yours...Please Travel Safely.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 06, 2009, 11:51:06 AM
Quote
Brinkman threatened,
consultation delayed

ORANJESTAD--The start of the Parliamentary Consultation of the Kingdom POK in Oranjestad, Aruba, on Monday, was severely delayed. An Aruban government official had threatened earlier in the day to beat up Member of the Dutch Parliament Hero Brinkman of the Party for Freedom PVV.

Initially there were rumours that POK had been cancelled altogether. This report proved untrue, as the meetings continued in the afternoon, but only after many hours of delay. Though an official reason was not given, it is very probable that the delay was caused by the fact that members of the Aruban cabinet had cancelled their speeches as part of POK this week.


Aruban Finance Minister Nilo Swaen was supposed to speak today, Tuesday, about the economic consequences of the financial crisis and Minister of Sports and Culture Ramon Lee would have addressed the three Parliaments about the preparations for the 2009 Kingdom Games, which will take place in Aruba in July.

Minister of Justice Rudy Croes was scheduled to speak on Tuesday afternoon about the future role of the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. However, he stated on Monday that he would be off-island due to a family visit in the US. He said he had already booked his trip and that his cancellation had nothing to do with Hero Brinkman. But, added Croes, “Brinkman does deserve a smash in the face for saying bad things about Aruba.”

Brinkman gave an interview to FoxNews on Sunday in which he stated that Aruba was as “corrupt as hell.” He said he was looking into the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and called the case a shame. “It is a shameful case which will go on for 30 years if nothing is done,” he said.

Brinkman’s statements angered Aruba’s Chef of Protocol Eric Brete, who threatened to beat up the Member of Parliament. “Aruba is not corrupt. I have to restrain myself not to tear you apart,” screamed Brete at Brinkman in the presence of three other Members of the Dutch Parliament.


Brinkman said he felt threatened, but didn’t want to file an official complaint. “It concerns a naïve man with the intelligence of a four-year-old child. If he wants to beat me up, I can surely defend myself. I worked at the police for 23 years,” he told the Dutch news agency ANP.

Brinkman tabled a motion in the Dutch Parliament in December in which he called for the Dutch Government to order Dutch detectives to investigate the integrity of decisions taken relating to the investigation into Holloway’s disappearance.

The reason for the motion apparently was a remark by Minister Croes that Judge Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot, one of the suspects in the case, as well as Aruba Police Chief Jan van der Straten wilfully had frustrated the investigation the first 10 days. Brinkman’s motion was rejected.

Coincidently, Aruba’s Prosecutor’s Office sent an invitation to the media on Monday announcing that there would be a press conference Tuesday afternoon. The topic of the press conference is an update on the investigation into Holloway’s disappearance. The media were cautioned that the press conference was not definitive and might not take place.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/l195/pok195.html

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Antillean, Aruban politicians
question Brinkman’s motives
http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/l195/Brinkman195.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 06, 2009, 11:52:47 AM
In his communications with us - Mr Brinkman said it was January 6 that he/they would be having their talks in Aruba.
Thanks Jen!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 12:00:31 PM
Coincidently, Aruba’s Prosecutor’s Office sent an invitation to the media on Monday announcing that there would be a press conference Tuesday afternoon. The topic of the press conference is an update on the investigation into Holloway’s disappearance. The media were cautioned that the press conference was not definitive and might not take place.  


So in other words, the prosecutor's office is FOS  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 06, 2009, 12:03:38 PM
Coincidently, Aruba’s Prosecutor’s Office sent an invitation to the media on Monday announcing that there would be a press conference Tuesday afternoon. The topic of the press conference is an update on the investigation into Holloway’s disappearance. The media were cautioned that the press conference was not definitive and might not take place.  


So in other words, the prosecutor's office is FOS  ::MonkeyCool::
Yep....Here We Go Again!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 12:27:38 PM
Good Morning from Seattle Monkey's!I'll hold out hope until the end of the Week!If no arrest.Someone's got some explaining to do.I don't want F'ing press conference's i want arrest's and i want a 5 mile perp walk after the arrest! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2009, 12:27:41 PM

Quite the little producer Kyle is.  This was a staged production to him and he was handling this very well.

Blue Moon

When Kyle Kingman approached the Natalee's Freebirds ... I honestly believe it was with the honorable intentions of seeking assistance in how to go about exposing to the family/FBI ... not only the second set of ROV images but ... also his story encompassing the troubling chain of custody in regards to the the contents of the cage ... the contents of the cage that in all probability ... according to Kyle's own words ... could have held the remains of Natalee Holloway.

However ... somewhere along the way Kyle had a change of heart.  Maybe the ongoing professional connection to John Silvetti had something to do with it.  Maybe dollar signs had something to do with it when his attempts to make deals with major networks is considered.

Nevertheless ... it was too late to successfully backtrack from his intial intentions.  He had already revealed on the Natalee's Freebirds' forum everything regarding the apparent deception of the Persistence undertaking as well as the second set of ROV images.

Did Kyle Kingman honestly believe that a group of researchers who only objective for congregating on a private site was to expose the corrupt investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway would remain silent when ... the family was thisclose to possibly bringing their beloved home to rest on American soil.

IMO

Janet






Janet --

It became an issue of 'Kyle or Natalee'. IMO. I think that the Monkeys can easily tell which of the Freebirds chose Natalee.

UNLIKE a few Freebirds who are at cng -- WITH Kyle and CAPS.  ::MonkeyWink::

BlueMoon -- Kyle did set out to use the Freebirds. IMO. Not so much to 'create a stir' -- but more that he thought he could use us as his 'ghost writers' and 'grunts'.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 06, 2009, 12:29:37 PM
Coincidently, Aruba’s Prosecutor’s Office sent an invitation to the media on Monday announcing that there would be a press conference Tuesday afternoon. The topic of the press conference is an update on the investigation into Holloway’s disappearance. The media were cautioned that the press conference was not definitive and might not take place.  


So in other words, the prosecutor's office is FOS  ::MonkeyCool::

Stupid is as stupid does....  ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2009, 12:30:45 PM

Jen's words say it all.

Janet

+++++++++

jen3560
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2008, 04:36:13 PM 


KeeptheFaith and Janet,

After we discovered this information had been withheld from US authorities, we contacted legal counsel, and were advised to keep our distance from Persistence crew members and benefactors - that is when and why Kyle was banned.

That occurred the end of September.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605250#msg605250


klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »


Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
 
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator
Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 12:32:26 PM

Quite the little producer Kyle is.  This was a staged production to him and he was handling this very well.

Blue Moon

When Kyle Kingman approached the Natalee's Freebirds ... I honestly believe it was with the honorable intentions of seeking assistance in how to go about exposing to the family/FBI ... not only the second set of ROV images but ... also his story encompassing the troubling chain of custody in regards to the the contents of the cage ... the contents of the cage that in all probability ... according to Kyle's own words ... could have held the remains of Natalee Holloway.

However ... somewhere along the way Kyle had a change of heart.  Maybe the ongoing professional connection to John Silvetti had something to do with it.  Maybe dollar signs had something to do with it when his attempts to make deals with major networks is considered.

Nevertheless ... it was too late to successfully backtrack from his intial intentions.  He had already revealed on the Natalee's Freebirds' forum everything regarding the apparent deception of the Persistence undertaking as well as the second set of ROV images.

Did Kyle Kingman honestly believe that a group of researchers who only objective for congregating on a private site was to expose the corrupt investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway would remain silent when ... the family was thisclose to possibly bringing their beloved home to rest on American soil.

IMO

Janet






Janet --

It became an issue of 'Kyle or Natalee'. IMO. I think that the Monkeys can easily tell which of the Freebirds chose Natalee.

UNLIKE a few Freebirds who are at cng -- WITH Kyle and CAPS.  ::MonkeyWink::

BlueMoon -- Kyle did set out to use the Freebirds. IMO. Not so much to 'create a stir' -- but more that he thought he could use us as his 'ghost writers' and 'grunts'.


Scared Monkey's is the place to be.If you can't stand the HEAT!Get out of the kitchen.I think we know who's not in the kitchen anymore! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 12:34:50 PM

Quite the little producer Kyle is.  This was a staged production to him and he was handling this very well.

Blue Moon

When Kyle Kingman approached the Natalee's Freebirds ... I honestly believe it was with the honorable intentions of seeking assistance in how to go about exposing to the family/FBI ... not only the second set of ROV images but ... also his story encompassing the troubling chain of custody in regards to the the contents of the cage ... the contents of the cage that in all probability ... according to Kyle's own words ... could have held the remains of Natalee Holloway.

However ... somewhere along the way Kyle had a change of heart.  Maybe the ongoing professional connection to John Silvetti had something to do with it.  Maybe dollar signs had something to do with it when his attempts to make deals with major networks is considered.

Nevertheless ... it was too late to successfully backtrack from his intial intentions.  He had already revealed on the Natalee's Freebirds' forum everything regarding the apparent deception of the Persistence undertaking as well as the second set of ROV images.

Did Kyle Kingman honestly believe that a group of researchers who only objective for congregating on a private site was to expose the corrupt investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway would remain silent when ... the family was thisclose to possibly bringing their beloved home to rest on American soil.

IMO

Janet






Janet --

It became an issue of 'Kyle or Natalee'. IMO. I think that the Monkeys can easily tell which of the Freebirds chose Natalee.

UNLIKE a few Freebirds who are at cng -- WITH Kyle and CAPS.  ::MonkeyWink::

BlueMoon -- Kyle did set out to use the Freebirds. IMO. Not so much to 'create a stir' -- but more that he thought he could use us as his 'ghost writers' and 'grunts'.




Sorry Janet,

Keepthefaith's words!

Scared Monkey's is the place to be.If you can't stand the HEAT!Get out of the kitchen.I think we know who's not in the kitchen anymore! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 12:36:30 PM
Amidst all that is goin on,please remember what transpired out in the waters off of Aruba,regarding The Persistence....................................................


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 06, 2009, 12:49:30 PM
Quote
Politicians question Brinkman’s good intensions
6 Jan, 2009, 08:19 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD/WILLEMSTAD – Many politicians are doubtful that suddenly Lower House member Hero Brinkman (PVV) has good intentions with the Antillean and Aruban people, after he launched his plan for an ‘anti-corruption movement’ among the population in the Caribbean kingdom parts to put an end to corruption.

MAN
The Curacao Island Council-member Hensley Koeiman (MAN) says that he is ‘totally against corruption’.  In an e-mail with wishes for a happy 2009 he maintains the motto ‘Ban hasi kos na drechi’ (Let’s do the things right).  “This doesn’t only include good governance and good service, but also not commit corruption.  I will support Brinkman if he wants to set up this anti-corruption movement in the entire Kingdom.  I support each Brinkman and Brinkwoman that is against corruption.  But why does Brinkman want this for just the Antilles and Aruba?  I am therefore doubtful whether his intentions are noble.”

PNP
Koeiman’s colleague Gisette Seferina (PNP) agrees with him on this subject.  “Each civilized person is against corruption.  But why doesn’t Brinkman start in the Netherlands?  If he thinks that the Antilles and Aruba has the patent on corruption in the Kingdom, he is then profoundly mistaken.  It appears from the context he puts this idea that he is completely disturbed this time.”

DP
DP-leader Norbert George says that “this anti-corruption movement is already in existence for a long time.  We ourselves are tired of all corruptions.  I therefore do not understand what Brinkman means with the set up of an anti-corruption movement.  But I wish him a lot of success!”


FOL
“Very good idea!” is Renfred Rojer’s reaction.  “But he needs to include the Netherlands.  We learn corruption from them since the time of the pirates.  Look how they have dealt with the construction fraud and other practices.  Very different than how they want to deal with us in these terms.  We are well on our way with the drawing up of rules to promote and enhance good governance for the benefit of our people.  Any good will person that wants to cooperate in combating corruption is welcome to join the club, including Brinkman.”

PAR
Commissioner Marilyn Alcalá-Wallé (Education, Sports, and Culture, PAR) says that ‘everything that is done with good intentions, is acceptable’, but she doesn’t know what Brinkman’s intentions on the real agenda are.  “There is corruption everywhere, all over the world, which is unfortunate.  But I condemn the stigmatization of certain society or politicians by means of insinuating messages that at first seem well-meant.”

Aruba
“I repeat what I have clearly declared earlier.  Mr. Brinkman is for us a racist and a fundamentalist that is not interested in the well-being of the people of the Antilles and/or Aruba”, says Arthur Dowers of the Aruban opposition Party AVP that takes part in the POK.  “This person’s statements are purely meant to obtain the sympathy of those that advocate racism.  Look how he internationally attacked Aruba recently about the matter of a young lady that disappeared here in Aruba.  If you advocate the well-being of Aruba, you wouldn’t tackle this problem in such way that you harm the island financially and economically”, says Dowers.  We don’t need Brinkman for combating corruption, says Dowers.  Supervising the government and combating fraud in general is necessary and important to him.   “Citizens all over the world are more and more raising checks and balances.  The Antilles and Aruba are also experiencing that.  We furthermore have sufficient institutions that take actions against that.  The population has pre-eminently the power to vote out politicians that they do not approve through democratic elections, and vote in those that they do approve.  There is no need to misuse the media – You wonder what politics this person is going to perpetrate when everybody realize that just like everywhere in the world, we have individual politicians that do wrong and that our institutions really act against that.


‘Tragicomic’
The difference in tone and contents in the reactions of the chairman of the Dutch POK-delegation, Willibrord van Beek (VVD) and that of the chairman of the Antillean POK-delegation, Pedro Atacho (PAR), on Brinkman’s idea for a common anti-corruption movement is very striking.
Atacho:  “We are very clear about this.  Same as in The Hague in June of last year, we request Mr. Brinkman to go to the Public Prosecutor (OM) if he is aware of any penal offences.  We noticed that he didn’t do this and prefers to continue drawing the attention with a sensation eager, tragicomic show.”
Van Beek:  “As chairman of the Dutch delegation, I won’t give any political comments.”

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_51169.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 06, 2009, 12:51:26 PM
Max was lost on Aruba on 5-12-2004 no investigation ! nothing !  

Max Devries would have been 18 years old now

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Max1-1.jpg)

Max and his Dad George

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/MaxandDadGeorge1.jpg)







Just over one year later Natalee goes missing.  What was going on with the month of May in Aruba?  SoulBeach?  Or something else?

http://www.aruba.com/calendar/view_entry.php?id=329&date=20040530

SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Description: SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004
Date: Sunday, May 30, 2004 
Repeat Type: Wednesday, May 26, 2004  -  Monday, May 31, 2004 (every Day



...follow the music.....


Found a post about a missing girl in a town called Dordrecht. Turned out she had been taken after a concert by a band called http://www.dicemen.net/

Coincidentally, posts by a Shango seem to refer to this band by name:

http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html

Unfortunately most search results are in Dutch!

Posted by: COLUMBO | Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 05:14 PM



It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter)

Contact Information
Hot Line  +(804) 276 2204 
Fax  +(804) 745 6133 
Primary E-mail  TeamAmy@hotmail.com 
WeTip http://www.wetip.com/ 
URL @ FBI  http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/kidnap/current/bradley.htm

For Amy Bradley research..
From the Diceman link listed in colombos quote ..www.diceman.net, here is a picture and new web site on myspace.
Bio and main page.. It says they have quit..
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=6410849&blogID=9828371

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=6410849



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 12:52:51 PM
 “This person’s statements are purely meant to obtain the sympathy of those that advocate racism.  Look how he internationally attacked Aruba recently about the matter of a young lady that disappeared here in Aruba.  If you advocate the well-being of Aruba, you wouldn’t tackle this problem in such way that you harm the island financially and economically”,


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Aruba hasn't sone Sh_t in close to 4 years.How do we handle this Sir! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2009, 12:53:50 PM
Good Morning from Seattle Monkey's!I'll hold out hope until the end of the Week!If no arrest.Someone's got some explaining to do.I don't want F'ing press conference's i want arrest's and i want a 5 mile perp walk after the arrest! ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Keepthefaith in Seattle.

Hey ... iIf Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus are not ALL arrested for their participation in the events that encompass the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... then I believe that ANY arrest will be Aruba's futile attempt to appease Beth Holloway ... a mother who warned the Aruban Prime Minister that she would be a voice for her daughter for 40 years.

Janet

_______


DETENTION - FORMAL SUSPECTS

Karin Janssen


Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder 06/2005
 
Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

Paulus van der Sloot - complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. 06/2005


Karin Janssen

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005

Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005


Hans Mos:[/b]

Joran Van der Sloot -suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Deepak Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Satish Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 12:56:37 PM
I love the way Brinkman is Embarrassing the corrupt POS on Aruba!Keep up the great work Hero.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 12:58:54 PM
Good Morning from Seattle Monkey's!I'll hold out hope until the end of the Week!If no arrest.Someone's got some explaining to do.I don't want F'ing press conference's i want arrest's and i want a 5 mile perp walk after the arrest! ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Keepthefaith in Seattle.

Hey ... iIf Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus are not ALL arrested for their participation in the events that encompass the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... then I believe that ANY arrest will be Aruba's futile attempt to appease Beth Holloway ... a mother who warned the Aruban Prime Minister that she would be a voice for her daughter for 40 years.

Janet

_______


DETENTION - FORMAL SUSPECTS

Karin Janssen


Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder 06/2005
 
Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

Paulus van der Sloot - complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. 06/2005


Karin Janssen

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005

Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005


Hans Mos:[/b]

Joran Van der Sloot -suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Deepak Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Satish Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

I agree Janet.You don't bring those kinds of charges against the 4 stooges without evidence!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 06, 2009, 01:02:32 PM
Quote
Politicians question Brinkman’s good intensions
6 Jan, 2009, 08:19 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD/WILLEMSTAD – Many politicians are doubtful that suddenly Lower House member Hero Brinkman (PVV) has good intentions with the Antillean and Aruban people, after he launched his plan for an ‘anti-corruption movement’ among the population in the Caribbean kingdom parts to put an end to corruption.

MAN
The Curacao Island Council-member Hensley Koeiman (MAN) says that he is ‘totally against corruption’.  In an e-mail with wishes for a happy 2009 he maintains the motto ‘Ban hasi kos na drechi’ (Let’s do the things right).  “This doesn’t only include good governance and good service, but also not commit corruption.  I will support Brinkman if he wants to set up this anti-corruption movement in the entire Kingdom.  I support each Brinkman and Brinkwoman that is against corruption.  But why does Brinkman want this for just the Antilles and Aruba?  I am therefore doubtful whether his intentions are noble.”

PNP
Koeiman’s colleague Gisette Seferina (PNP) agrees with him on this subject.  “Each civilized person is against corruption.  But why doesn’t Brinkman start in the Netherlands?  If he thinks that the Antilles and Aruba has the patent on corruption in the Kingdom, he is then profoundly mistaken.  It appears from the context he puts this idea that he is completely disturbed this time.”

DP
DP-leader Norbert George says that “this anti-corruption movement is already in existence for a long time.  We ourselves are tired of all corruptions.  I therefore do not understand what Brinkman means with the set up of an anti-corruption movement.  But I wish him a lot of success!”


FOL
“Very good idea!” is Renfred Rojer’s reaction.  “But he needs to include the Netherlands.  We learn corruption from them since the time of the pirates.  Look how they have dealt with the construction fraud and other practices.  Very different than how they want to deal with us in these terms.  We are well on our way with the drawing up of rules to promote and enhance good governance for the benefit of our people.  Any good will person that wants to cooperate in combating corruption is welcome to join the club, including Brinkman.”

PAR
Commissioner Marilyn Alcalá-Wallé (Education, Sports, and Culture, PAR) says that ‘everything that is done with good intentions, is acceptable’, but she doesn’t know what Brinkman’s intentions on the real agenda are.  “There is corruption everywhere, all over the world, which is unfortunate.  But I condemn the stigmatization of certain society or politicians by means of insinuating messages that at first seem well-meant.”

Aruba
“I repeat what I have clearly declared earlier.  Mr. Brinkman is for us a racist and a fundamentalist that is not interested in the well-being of the people of the Antilles and/or Aruba”, says Arthur Dowers of the Aruban opposition Party AVP that takes part in the POK.  “This person’s statements are purely meant to obtain the sympathy of those that advocate racism.  Look how he internationally attacked Aruba recently about the matter of a young lady that disappeared here in Aruba.  If you advocate the well-being of Aruba, you wouldn’t tackle this problem in such way that you harm the island financially and economically”, says Dowers.  We don’t need Brinkman for combating corruption, says Dowers.  Supervising the government and combating fraud in general is necessary and important to him.   “Citizens all over the world are more and more raising checks and balances.  The Antilles and Aruba are also experiencing that.  We furthermore have sufficient institutions that take actions against that.  The population has pre-eminently the power to vote out politicians that they do not approve through democratic elections, and vote in those that they do approve.  There is no need to misuse the media – You wonder what politics this person is going to perpetrate when everybody realize that just like everywhere in the world, we have individual politicians that do wrong and that our institutions really act against that.


‘Tragicomic’
The difference in tone and contents in the reactions of the chairman of the Dutch POK-delegation, Willibrord van Beek (VVD) and that of the chairman of the Antillean POK-delegation, Pedro Atacho (PAR), on Brinkman’s idea for a common anti-corruption movement is very striking.
Atacho:  “We are very clear about this.  Same as in The Hague in June of last year, we request Mr. Brinkman to go to the Public Prosecutor (OM) if he is aware of any penal offences.  We noticed that he didn’t do this and prefers to continue drawing the attention with a sensation eager, tragicomic show.”
Van Beek:  “As chairman of the Dutch delegation, I won’t give any political comments.”

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_51169.php

Lets start investigating corruption everywhere, including Netherlands, first. Then, we will investigate Aruba later. Is Aruba not prepared yet for this type of investigation. Better get the paper and evidence shredders ready. Paulus is sweating profusely as we speak.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 06, 2009, 01:06:07 PM
Good Morning from Seattle Monkey's!I'll hold out hope until the end of the Week!If no arrest.Someone's got some explaining to do.I don't want F'ing press conference's i want arrest's and i want a 5 mile perp walk after the arrest! ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Keepthefaith in Seattle.

Hey ... iIf Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus are not ALL arrested for their participation in the events that encompass the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... then I believe that ANY arrest will be Aruba's futile attempt to appease Beth Holloway ... a mother who warned the Aruban Prime Minister that she would be a voice for her daughter for 40 years.

Janet

_______


DETENTION - FORMAL SUSPECTS

Karin Janssen


Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder 06/2005
 
Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

Paulus van der Sloot - complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. 06/2005


Karin Janssen

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005

Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005


Hans Mos:[/b]

Joran Van der Sloot -suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Deepak Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Satish Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

I agree Janet.You don't bring those kinds of charges against the 4 stooges without evidence!

My fear, under their current system, is that each arrest raised the bar higher and higher, in terms of proof needed to obtain arrest and detention of the suspects. A conviction on charges...That is a totally separate beast.

Remember, Aruba sabotaged this case not only from an evidence standpoint, but also from a legal logistics standpoint. This has been well thought out, I am sure. There are many authors writing the script to this game of charades.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 01:06:53 PM
GO HERO GO..KEEP THE PRESSURE UP!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 06, 2009, 01:11:37 PM
Anybody out there able to view this Presser live?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 01:14:20 PM
Anybody out there able to view this Presser live?

I wish i could but i'm sure we're gonna get a lot of HOT air... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2009, 01:20:53 PM
NOVEMBER, 2007 - THE REARRESTS OF JORAN, DEEPAK AND SATISH

HAN MOS

Aruba's Chief Prosecutor on New Evidence Against Holloway Suspects
Tuesday, November 27, 2007


Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


SUSPICIONS JUSTIFY REARREST

Joran Van der Sloot -suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Deepak Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Satish Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007


JOHN KELLY - REARRESTS ARE NOTHING BUT DOG AND PONY SHOW

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  ... I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on January 06, 2009, 01:22:53 PM
Good Morning from Seattle Monkey's!I'll hold out hope until the end of the Week!If no arrest.Someone's got some explaining to do.I don't want F'ing press conference's i want arrest's and i want a 5 mile perp walk after the arrest! ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Keepthefaith in Seattle.

Hey ... iIf Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus are not ALL arrested for their participation in the events that encompass the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... then I believe that ANY arrest will be Aruba's futile attempt to appease Beth Holloway ... a mother who warned the Aruban Prime Minister that she would be a voice for her daughter for 40 years.

Janet

_______


DETENTION - FORMAL SUSPECTS

Karin Janssen


Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder 06/2005
 
Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

Paulus van der Sloot - complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. 06/2005


Karin Janssen

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005

Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005


Hans Mos:[/b]

Joran Van der Sloot -suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Deepak Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Satish Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

I agree Janet.You don't bring those kinds of charges against the 4 stooges without evidence!

My fear, under their current system, is that each arrest raised the bar higher and higher, in terms of proof needed to obtain arrest and detention of the suspects. A conviction on charges...That is a totally separate beast.

Remember, Aruba sabotaged this case not only from an evidence standpoint, but also from a legal logistics standpoint. This has been well thought out, I am sure. There are many authors writing the script to this game of charades.

I think "raising the bar" is part of the corruption angle.  Would they have done all these things if the main suspects were the security guards?  Is this their normal method of operation?

no case = no crime statistics = one happy island

jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 06, 2009, 01:26:50 PM
no case = no crime statistics = one happy island

Whose happy now, Aruba? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 06, 2009, 01:30:23 PM
Janet --

It became an issue of 'Kyle or Natalee'. IMO. I think that the Monkeys can easily tell which of the Freebirds chose Natalee.

UNLIKE a few Freebirds who are at cng -- WITH Kyle and CAPS.  ::MonkeyWink::

BlueMoon -- Kyle did set out to use the Freebirds. IMO. Not so much to 'create a stir' -- but more that he thought he could use us as his 'ghost writers' and 'grunts'.


 ::MonkeyWaa::

WHAT in the world is going on?? Good Grief!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 06, 2009, 01:32:02 PM
Sharon ~ I'm so sorry for your loss.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 06, 2009, 01:37:15 PM
Janet --

It became an issue of 'Kyle or Natalee'. IMO. I think that the Monkeys can easily tell which of the Freebirds chose Natalee.

UNLIKE a few Freebirds who are at cng -- WITH Kyle and CAPS.  ::MonkeyWink::

BlueMoon -- Kyle did set out to use the Freebirds. IMO. Not so much to 'create a stir' -- but more that he thought he could use us as his 'ghost writers' and 'grunts'.


 ::MonkeyWaa::

WHAT in the world is going on?? Good Grief!


There are Freebirds posting at C&G? This is frustrating - not that the entire case hasn't been frustrating, but my gosh....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 06, 2009, 01:38:50 PM
Hi Caps  :2waver: How is the weather in Aruba? Are things hotter than usual?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 06, 2009, 01:49:54 PM
ORANGE CITY - The Dutch leader of the Party for Freedom (PVV) Geert Wilders has outraged reaction to the threats to the address of his group Hero Brinkman and believes that the Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes should resign.

Minister Croes said Brinkman deserves a slap on his face . He behaves this as Idi Amin in Aruba, and his rush to tackle, "said Wilders at Dutch media. The threat to the address of Brinkman by the chief of protocol Aruba Eric Bret for PVV'er "absolutely unacceptable." "If the Hero Brinkman Arubans with even a single finger to touch me personally go to Venezuela for Chávez to beg that corrupt medieval Aruban criminal gang to take over."

Wilders has Chamber of the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende and Minister of Justice Ernst Hirsch Ballin made. It calls on ministers whether they are prepared for the immediate resignation of Minister Croes demand. "Are you ready until this dangerous fool not resigned, all government contacts with the Aruban government mafia to disconnect?" Said the group. Wilders also wants the decisions of the Netherlands Croes strongly condemn and take immediate measures to ensure the safety of his party to ensure Brinkman.
At present there are no additional security measures taken from Aruban side. Peter White says the police chief called the situation "monitors."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 06, 2009, 01:51:05 PM
Aruba
Tourist assaulted on beach
6 Jan, 2009, 14:43 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - A 17-year-old tourist in the night of Friday to Saturday on the beach for the Holiday Inn hotel by three men harassed. They walked around half past four morning with her cousin on the beach when they were approached by three unsavory types. One of them wanted to meet her shelves, but they stribbelde against and began to fight.
Eventually the pair managed to escape and a guard of the hotel in question. When she gave a description of the attackers, the guard had seen a picture of MC, an acquaintance of the police and that it appeared one of the perpetrators are. The police has enabled the girl to her hotel in the area and searched for MC, however, without result.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 06, 2009, 01:53:41 PM
Aruba
Tourist assaulted on beach
6 Jan, 2009, 14:43 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - A 17-year-old tourist in the night of Friday to Saturday on the beach for the Holiday Inn hotel by three men harassed. They walked around half past four morning with her cousin on the beach when they were approached by three unsavory types. One of them wanted to meet her shelves, but they stribbelde against and began to fight.
Eventually the pair managed to escape and a guard of the hotel in question. When she gave a description of the attackers, the guard had seen a picture of MC, an acquaintance of the police and that it appeared one of the perpetrators are. The police has enabled the girl to her hotel in the area and searched for MC, however, without result.

who is MC  ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 01:55:07 PM
Posted at BFN:
RTL Boulevard reports Joran is back in Holland and was seen during New year's eve in a bar in Arhem.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 06, 2009, 01:56:09 PM
?? Marlon Celaire ??

I really don't know, but since that name came up again recently I thought I would throw it out there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 06, 2009, 01:57:36 PM
Posted at BFN:
RTL Boulevard reports Joran is back in Holland and was seen during New year's eve in a bar in Arhem.
I saw this at BFN but I don't believe it! If Joran was in Holland it would be all over the news or at least the net....Don't Ya Think?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 06, 2009, 02:00:00 PM
truthseeker2 ~ will you talk to me?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 02:00:56 PM
Aruba
Tourist assaulted on beach
6 Jan, 2009, 14:43 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - A 17-year-old tourist in the night of Friday to Saturday on the beach for the Holiday Inn hotel by three men harassed. They walked around half past four morning with her cousin on the beach when they were approached by three unsavory types. One of them wanted to meet her shelves, but they stribbelde against and began to fight.
Eventually the pair managed to escape and a guard of the hotel in question. When she gave a description of the attackers, the guard had seen a picture of MC, an acquaintance of the police and that it appeared one of the perpetrators are. The police has enabled the girl to her hotel in the area and searched for MC, however, without result.

who is MC  ?

Marlon Celaire - was interviewed 6/4/05 in the NH case.  Looks like your typical dirt bag that could be a suspect in any of the cases. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 02:01:09 PM
3:00pm,on day two of arrest week in Aruba,and still no Arrest.I will hold out till the end of the week!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 06, 2009, 02:03:05 PM
Hi Caps  :2waver: How is the weather in Aruba? Are things hotter than usual?
I've noticed here lately if anyone gives Caps a shoutout He disappears.... ::MonkeyConfused:: Not just You BB....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 06, 2009, 02:03:05 PM
3:00pm,on day two of arrest week in Aruba,and still no Arrest.I will hold out till the end of the week!

Anybody hearing anything from Mos?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 06, 2009, 02:06:36 PM
truthseeker2 ~ will you talk to me?  ::MonkeyEek::

Sure, Memphis.  But I don't have many answers as to why things are the way they are here now.  Seems people have differing views.  There are just some topics people feel more strongly about than others.  That should be okay, I guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 02:06:51 PM
LIVE RIGHT NOW - IN DUTCH - MOS

http://www.24ora.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 02:08:38 PM
LIVE RIGHT NOW - IN DUTCH - MOS

http://www.24ora.com/

Is that Dolf sitting right next to Mos?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 02:09:51 PM
LIVE RIGHT NOW - IN DUTCH - MOS

http://www.24ora.com/

Is that Dolf sitting right next to Mos?

I think so


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 02:11:18 PM
LIVE RIGHT NOW - IN DUTCH - MOS

http://www.24ora.com/

OK, in the comments they are mentioning the LING family?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 06, 2009, 02:12:45 PM
I understand about as much of this as my son explaining how to repair a diesel engine.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 02:13:14 PM
I understand about as much of this as my son explaining how to repair a diesel engine.
::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 06, 2009, 02:13:20 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/35/52/

mos live


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 02:13:33 PM
LIVE RIGHT NOW - IN DUTCH - MOS

http://www.24ora.com/

OK, in the comments they are mentioning the LING family?

OOPS - the comments are old...don't know why


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 06, 2009, 02:14:00 PM
truthseeker2 ~ will you talk to me?  ::MonkeyEek::

Sure, Memphis.  But I don't have many answers as to why things are the way they are here now.  Seems people have differing views.  There are just some topics people feel more strongly about than others.  That should be okay, I guess.

Sorry to whine.
Reading and catching up, want to say, I really appreciate your logic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 06, 2009, 02:14:36 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/35/52/

mos live

Please translate what he say's when he's done Johan.TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 06, 2009, 02:15:37 PM
LIVE RIGHT NOW - IN DUTCH - MOS

http://www.24ora.com/

OK, in the comments they are mentioning the LING family?

OOPS - the comments are old...don't know why

It def said Holloway case across the bottom.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 06, 2009, 02:16:19 PM
I understand about as much of this as my son explaining how to repair a diesel engine.
::MonkeyLaugh::

The Aruban authorities are assisting in keeping the secrets undiscovered.
The palace is open to all, but the palace is a maze to most.
Most will not figure out what's really going on.

Shango:




It was written in the scriptures..  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: snoopy on January 06, 2009, 02:16:28 PM
Coincidently, Aruba’s Prosecutor’s Office sent an invitation to the media on Monday announcing that there would be a press conference Tuesday afternoon. The topic of the press conference is an update on the investigation into Holloway’s disappearance. The media were cautioned that the press conference was not definitive and might not take place.  


So in other words, the prosecutor's office is FOS  ::MonkeyCool::

Oh brother!!  What the heck?  This is rediculous


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 06, 2009, 02:16:52 PM
I understand about as much of this as my son explaining how to repair a diesel engine.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on January 06, 2009, 02:17:22 PM
truthseeker2 ~ will you talk to me?  ::MonkeyEek::

Sure, Memphis.  But I don't have many answers as to why things are the way they are here now.  Seems people have differing views.  There are just some topics people feel more strongly about than others.  That should be okay, I guess.

Sorry to whine.
Reading and catching up, want to say, I really appreciate your logic.


Thanks, Memphis.  Don't get discouraged.  Many are saying that things could be happening soon.  Maybe there will be some real information coming out of Aruba soon, whether they want that to happen or not.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
LIVE RIGHT NOW - IN DUTCH - MOS

http://www.24ora.com/

OK, in the comments they are mentioning the LING family?

OOPS - the comments are old...don't know why

It def said Holloway case across the bottom.

YES, the PC is live now with MOS.  I think the comments may have more to do with 24ora's ability to have live TV


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 06, 2009, 02:20:23 PM
February 2009 is still showing up on the scroll bar.  That doesn't indicate much new to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2009, 02:21:24 PM
From Caps,
Hans Mos on radio; http://www.promoaruba.aw/

Mos was to receive a report of the polygraph of the pond witness from Tim Miller, he never received this.

"the withness what he saw, was not sure or could not be sure that joran was comming from the pond and Tim did not provided the report promissed to him. He is still waiting."

"and he explicit siad that the witness also could not come up with a proof on how he determine the pnd and how does he know that shure that he has seen Joran in monserat."

"and they are waiting on Tim Miller report to make case stronger."


The cage that was reported stolen from the fisherman's huts; the fisherman says the cage is at his home.

"the fox greta where Joran was talking to his father, it is not his father, they took the recordings and sent then to a foresenic analysis in Holland and they are not Paules on the tape."

"the case is not closed and will not close the case"

"On the clothing it is also not the clothing."

"they continue to investigate and implore any one to come forth that have seen or have some sort conclusif information and that can be sustainable that can go to an arrest."

They only have one chance at this so they do not want to jump the gun....(slightly translated, lol)


I was doing this very fast, I am on my lunch but this is what Caps told me has been said so far!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 06, 2009, 02:21:48 PM
February 2009 is still showing up on the scroll bar.  That doesn't indicate much new to me.

yeah - saw that. I don't get a good feeling.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 06, 2009, 02:23:23 PM
If Mark Fuhrman is there, it's a possibility he is there in place of Greta. Maybe he'll be on Greta tonight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: memphis on January 06, 2009, 02:24:00 PM
From Caps,
Hans Mos on radio; http://www.promoaruba.aw/

Mos was to receive a report of the polygraph of the pond witness from Tim Miller, he never received this.

"the withness what he saw, was not sure or could not be sure that joran was comming from the pond and Tim did not provided the report promissed to him. He is still waiting."

"and he explicit siad that the witness also could not come up with a proof on how he determine the pnd and how does he know that shure that he has seen Joran in monserat."

"and they are waiting on Tim Miller report to make case stronger."


The cage that was reported stolen from the fisherman's huts; the fisherman says the cage is at his home.
"the fox greta where Joran was talking to his father, it is not his father, they took the recordings and sent then to a foresenic analysis in Holland and they are not Paules on the tape."

"the case is not closed and will not close the case"

"On the clothing it is also not the clothing."

"they continue to investigate and implore any one to come forth that have seen or have some sort conclusif information and that can be sustainable that can go to an arrest."

They only have one chance at this so they do not want to jump the gun....(slightly translated, lol)


I was doing this very fast, I am on my lunch but this is what Caps told me has been said so far!



hmmm...someone got to the fisherman


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 06, 2009, 02:24:11 PM
A snip from the link : http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html

My Synopsis:

 

This is what I think happened the night Natalee disappeared, based on what Shango is saying:

 

Natalee hooked up with Joren one last night before she heads back home the next day (they apparently had met three days before someplace). They gambled, ate and drank (at Carlos and Charlieís), and then went off someplace at Jorenís invitation. Now, some back story: about a week ago, someone anonymously approached Fox news and said Joren had a reputation for ëtaking advantage of young ladiesí. With that in mind, Joren called his boys the kalpoes to give them a ride to a ëraveí he invited Natalee to. Like some number of women before her, Natalee found herself at an as-yet undiscovered locationÖthe house at the end of the road not paved with gold. Here she was given X and date-raped when she passed out. Joren is afraid of some of the people thereÖisland drug dealers, their bodyguards, et ceteraÖand he gets uncomfortable enough to leave. Perhaps, this was standing order for Joren: pick us up a girl, get your pay, and get the Hell out. Unlike all those other girls before her, though, Natalee died somehowÖmaybe things got out of hand, maybe she ODíed, maybe she fell down some stairs or something. At any rate the people at this ëraveí suddenly have a dead girl on their hands. These guys have been paying bribes to the police chief Van Der Straaten among others for years to quietly ply their trade, so when they tell him, he has to scramble to keep things hidden. So him, Paulus Van Der Sloot (Jorenís dad and Van Der Straatenís friend), and his lackeys start stalling the investigation long enough for the body to be disposed of. He goes to Paulus and says, ìhey man. You better get your kid and thoe Kalpoes and get a story, because theyíre going to be the fall guys hereî. No problem; Paulus knows (and maybe helped Van Der Straaten on) the fine points of Dutch investigative procedure and how to totally botch an investigation. So he hammers down an alibi with his boy and the Kalpoes, Van Der Straaten stalls and fucks things up on purpose, hoping that everything will either blow over or die down. You see, the boys wonít be convicted on the shoddy evidence the prosecution will be allowed to find. The real murderers, who are drug lords far more powerful than Paulus and Van Der Straaten, will be safe and their drug trade and other sins kept intact, and the cycle of corruption will continue. And as for nataleeís family, what can they do? They get, ìOh so sorry. We did our best to convict, but the jury says otherwise. Sorry about your daughter, go home nowî That is what the officials involved in this crap are hoping for. However, Shango says that if the cowboys (us Americans and certainly Beth Twitty and her camp) refuse to accept the ëpeace offeringí (this farce of an investigation and trial), AND we put enough pressure on our elected reps and get the news media onto this (they should be eating this up by now), then this all will come to light in time. And from what Shango says, that is what it will take for Beth to bring her daughter home. Somebody on that island knows where she is, but is afraid to tell.

Now I should mention that in the addenda is a post missing from what I have above; if you read it at the suggested translation, it indicates that Natalee was sold into prostitution, but she had to be hidden a few days until a safe (that is, secret) way to smuggle her off the island was found. This coincides with the visions that two psychics had, both involved her being hidden away and finally rescued. The Bible Code at http://www.revelation13.net/KingJames2c.html seems to suggest this theory; and I read someplace (possibly the above pages) that Reveleations 12 is about Natalee; she is the woman described therein and the dragon represents evils done to her and that threaten her. That is open to interpretation; it depends on what you believe. Of course, if Natalee is alive still and will be returned to her mother someday, it will not be through lack of searching; the Lord helps those who help themselves.

 

Letís do it.



It is not my note..But I have to agree with the theory that Drug Dealers the boys associated with did her in..

So again who has been busted for major drugs and who is called the Boss.
That is who Shango is referring too in my humble opinion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 06, 2009, 02:24:16 PM
Thank You Very Much TM and CAPS!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2009, 02:25:32 PM
From Caps,
Hans Mos on radio; http://www.promoaruba.aw/

Mos was to receive a report of the polygraph of the pond witness from Tim Miller, he never received this.

"the with