Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

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No fair Nut, you can't do that.

Miss Janet and Miss Texasmom
Shoefly pie and okra!
I'm in heaven.


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VAIT JUST A MINUTE

Does that table have a shinning bright white light
and one chair
for moi

Is this the same as the FBI interrogations?

I heard they are hiring.

I definitely respect everyone's opinion...

But, there seems to be a definite divide, concerning the trap.
(1) Human remains(NH). Tim Miller diverted from boat (liability) - pond, tip off of Aruba. Disappearing contents of cage.
(2) Not human remains. NH never in a cage. Random abandoned cage in ocean. Drug post office.

Don't know which to believe. Where is the frog when you need him??
What is the consensus as it can not be both (1) and (2). Must be (1) OR (2).

BB - I wish it were that simple.  Actually, many people believe parts of both theories.

I didn't cheat...honest!!  ::MonkeyTongue::

time on my closing post on pg 50 last thread> 08:03:05 PM »
time on my post above> 08:03:48 PM »

So is Beth in aruba or not?

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office on Aruba are still conducting an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yet we are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation and are busy with the last two leads. Now we are still busy I would like to add this: if you have relevant information, no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem, please notify my Office or the Police here on Aruba.


Perhaps we should start to flood the ALE email with the details of all the things that we have uncovered over the past three and a half years.


They did ask for tips, didn't they?
Just afraid they will twist it into their bogus timeline.

I do strongly feel that the Kalpoes will gain the support of the whole island.
They will position them as best as they can for their lawsuit in California.
This will be Aruba's attempt to payback those(US+media) they feel have damaged their reputation.

Unfortunately, the US uses real judges and real courtrooms unlike kangaroo court in Aruba.

No bright light but ... Brandi ... our 15 year old Golden Retriever ... is just a whistle away if the itty bitty details are not forthcoming.  Little frogs give her such enjoyment.  She teases them unmercifully until she tires of the game.

Janet

 

when I get response after response like the one above, it is time for me to leave. I have a son to raise, don't need to waste my time coming here and getting constantly bashed. 

Johan, I in no way meant any disrepect to you. I have nothing but respect for you and the research you do.

When I said "asshole" status, I was referring to the way I am constantly treated here lately. Time for me to move on. 

Maybe Mos will now deem it necessary to turn over all the information the courts need from the Kalpoes in order to continue with the circus they are conducting.

The Kalpoe/Phil case is only  a sidetrack and 1 % of the whole case.

They are Guilty as hell!

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Kalpoe/FFFFFFFFFFFF-1.jpg)

Treated here lately ?
Everyone can have his/her own opinion! also you !

What crap ldstlou, because she laughed?   ::MonkeyConfused::

ldstllou ~ Emotions are running high and I'm sure you are sensitive to any rxns you recieve here. You obviously care about Natalee and you must care about SM, too, because you are showing great courage in attempting to continue to discuss. I wish you would keep trying. I can't speak for everyone, but I know I am so very unsure about what is going on right now. Ummm...I'm not doing a very good job - just trying to say - STAY.

Urine is back in the Netherlands for about two weeks now, he flew in via Germany . .

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=_fedPNIua6U&feature=channel_page

If ldstlou took offense to my 2 laughing Monkey's i truly do Apologize to Ldstlou.What i was laughing at is that Kyle,who was on the Persistence,as well as Tim Miller who searches for missing people are continuing to be disregarded for people who where not even there.Again.If ldstlou took offense i do apologize!

ldstlou -

Grow up...
People disagree all the time here. Sarcastically and seriously.
Get over it. Want a tissue?
No harm. No foul. Keep at it like the rest of us.
Like others say..If you do not like someone or their posts here, skip them and move on.

BUCKSHOT

I know that is Paulus with him but is that Anita?

OK, I keep getting interupted here on the home front.  ::MonkeyRoll::

I'm reading everything, just slowly. 

Now, you mean to tell me that Kyle, who was hinting at litigation, is running his mouth at CNG? My, my. I believe Kyle is the one that needs to grow up.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD95HVREG1

Aruba prosecutor: End is near in Holloway case
By DAVID McFADDEN – 51 minutes ago

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — Aruban prosecutors said Tuesday their investigation into the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway is nearing the end and appealed for anyone with information to come forward.

Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said his office still needs "at least another few months" to investigate statements made by the only remaining suspect, Joran van der Sloot, during a hidden-camera interview which was broadcast on Dutch television last year.

But he then said prosecutors "are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation."

"If you have relevant information — no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem — please notify my office or the police," Mos said in a statement Tuesday.

Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Alabama, was last seen in May 2005 leaving a bar in the Aruban capital Oranjestad with Van der Sloot on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the island. She was 18 at the time.

No trace of Holloway has ever been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

Aruban investigators reopened the case last year based on the hidden-camera recordings made by Dutch television crime reporter Peter R. de Vries.

But judges rejected an attempt to re-arrest Van der Sloot for statements he made on the Dutch TV show. The hidden-camera recordings showed Van der Sloot saying he was with Holloway when she died on the Dutch Caribbean island and that he had a friend dump her body at sea.

Mos, without disclosing specifics, said the TV program caused a "new stream of information" regardless of the appeals court decision blocking authorities from arresting Van der Sloot for a third time based on the statements.

"My office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results," Mos said, referring to Van der Sloot, who was last known to be living in Thailand.

In November, Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruba Prosecutors' Office, said authorities hoped to decide by the end of 2008 whether to prosecute Van der Sloot or close the case for good.

Attorneys for Van der Sloot did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment and there was no answer at his parents' home in Aruba.

Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment.

I watched that a few times, and it doesn't look like Anita to me.

No not anita but it also looks like the old video when he first went to the NL back in September 2005

That is old video, when he went to Holland after his release in September 2005.  IMO

I don't think he has to worry about disclosing anything for Joran to find out.  Papa Sloot will take care of that for him.  He is stupid.  Paulus has been handling all that information from the beginning.    ::MonkeyConfused::

Didn't to me either.  Could it be Joran's grandmother that he was living with before he went on the run?

and continuing with my mean train of thought ......
many who are posting at cng are the very ones that I perceived Kyle was especially arrogant towards, was patronizing of, and treated condescendingly. Open your eyes people!

Yes it is TM, they use the old stuff time after time . .
It`s all about what`s being said there ::MonkeyHaHa::
I translated the most important ::MonkeyWink::

HANS MOS IS LYING!

Kyle stated: "In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew.
In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric."

Kyle stated: "notice the blue fabric swayed in the current"

Kyle stated: "The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening."

The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson AND Hans Mos.

Kyle stated: "Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.


Kyle stated: "The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull."

Tim Miller was convinced it was a skull too.

BUMP

Memphis, tonight I am proud of myself and my ulcer doesn't hurt.  All I had to do is ignore the disruption tonight and move on.  Lou is entitled to her opinion as are the rest of us but I don't think she will convince us or we will convince them of our differences.  Honest debate is good, anything else is disruptive.

Looks like the Sept. 2005 video??????

He is a member there so I have to assume he is posting some.

It is Buckeye - I posted the link to the old and new.  This is from 2005.

 ::MonkeyShocked::  That man is up to no good!  JMO

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/Remkes1a.jpg)

Except they are implying by that video that it is Joran arriving in Amsterdam in 2009.  I don't care what anyone says, I'd prefer some proof more recent than 3 years ago.

I agree memphis.

Hi Blue Moon!
I haven't closed my mind. I still have lots of questions and lots of confusion, but I'm leaning in a certain direction. More information could push me in the other direction. It's extremely difficult because most of us only have little tidbits of information. We don't have the big picture, or anything close to it. I also want to say that I am trying not to "take sides". Most of us have been here for years. I would venture to say that those still here only want justice for Natalee. I don't believe that ldstlou, or any other monkey or bird, is the enemy. All I can deduce is that they have different information than me, or they are being mislead.

Having said all of that, I choose to believe that ldstlou wants to maintain a relationship with SM, but she's having a difficult time with all that has transpired.

That`s Johan Remkes, with Hero Brinkman behind him.
Remkes nominated Paulus to work with ALE . .

JMO, but you don't owe anyone an apology.  You laughed. 

Thanks, you said it better than me.  I don't think it is about choosing sides here.  I know she has been here from the beginning as have you.  I have too I just didn't sign up until much later.  Things have changed at SM and maybe that is part of the problem for some.  Us newer posters seem to bring out some hostility in some older posters.  Believe me I am not here for anything other than Natalee and her family.  Everything else is unimportant to me.

1. I used to believe this but my opinion has changed drastically about some old monkeys.

2. They are being brainwashed.

Thank You TM.I find it quite interesting how one can simply disregard Kyle's own words!He said them.

You see that is my problem as well.  Either Kyle was intentionally lying to people at Freebirds knowing that the family would get the information, OR he was telling the truth.  Neither is acceptable as far as Kyle's reputation goes.

I agree. Whoever posted this youtube video (not link to youtube video) as January 2009 is either full of shit(deceitful) or is not following the case too closely. This image is burned in my brain of his extended family, along with dear old DaddySloot transitioning the sporter over to Holland, out of the way, to his long lost extended family way back when...

We need a Monkey Counselor (for wounded and emotional monkeys)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Greta is going to throw it in Mos' face tonight. She is waving the 5 page document. ::cartwheel::

Blue Moon ~ I thought you'd been posting a long time. ;)  I see posters names and I think, "Did they change their nic?" cuz I don't remember them.   ::MonkeyHaHa::   Anyway, I was including you and anyone still here as caring about justice. I'm not in the inner circle, believe me.  ::MonkeyWink::

San! Good to se ya. You bring polyana down to earth.  ::MonkeyWink::
Actually, I do think that ego and the need to fit in, among other things creates lots of problems. I see that all of the time here. I have always cringed whenever someone claims they are on speaking terms with the family. Also, people making lots of disruptive phone calls gets on my nerves. If someone says, "(insert family member here) told me blah, blah, blah", I mark them off my list of posters I respect.  ::MonkeyLaugh::

So, yeah, I agree.

All i want to know from those that stand behind Kyle is do you believe what he has said?If you do Kyle has a PROBLEM.As smart as he thinks he is i don't think he understood the ramifictaions of what he's gotten himself into.JMOO.I'll eat the crow then bury my head in the sand if i'm wrong!

Yeppers. You can't get past this. Logic dictates.....  ::MonkeyWink::

BUCKSHOT ~ just bonk me on the head if I get to polyana-ish.  ::MonkeyRoll::
I'm a peacemaker, but not at all costs.  ::MonkeyWink::

Memphis,
Don't ever disagree with me. I may cry and tell my mommy on you.
 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

FYI

Lala's, Hotshot and Ldstlou have not been banned, contrary to what Hotshot and Lala's are trying to tell people.  If they are having problems, it's user error.  ::MonkeyCool::

Your instincts are always right on, IMO, San.

Oh, grow up BUCKSHOT, or I"m going to have to beg Klaas to ban me, but only after I call several family members and tell them all about you. 

Ahem. Oops!  I got confused. Sorry.  ::MonkeyWink::

Obviously there's much going on that I don't know anything about, as usual.  ::MonkeyRoll::

But, San, after all we've seen since May 2005, how in the world does someone allow themselves to be brainwashed? No need to answer, but .... sheez.

I am attempt to catch up by reading backwards.

Blue Moon ... what five page document are you talking about?

Thanks

Janet

The press release from today.

Please update when it's done Klaas!TIA ::MonkeyDance::

memphis, after all this time I don't have an answer for what they are doing. 

I have been the same since day one.  My theories might have changed a little but I have stayed the same.  I do not let people control my mind and how I think.

Right now its Hero speaking via phone, letting the world know that he stands by his statements of Aruba being corrupt....

Aruba prosecutor: Evidence still being pursued in Holloway case but probe nearing end
By DAVID McFADDEN, Associated Press Writer
6:27 PM PST, January 6, 2009

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — Aruban prosecutors said Tuesday their investigation into the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway is nearing the end and appealed for anyone with information to come forward.

Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said his office still needs "at least another few months" to investigate statements made by the only remaining suspect, Joran van der Sloot, during a hidden-camera interview which was broadcast on Dutch television last year.


But he then said prosecutors "are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation."

"If you have relevant information — no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem — please notify my office or the police," Mos said in a statement Tuesday.

Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Alabama, was last seen in May 2005 leaving a bar in the Aruban capital Oranjestad with Van der Sloot on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the island. She was 18 at the time.


No trace of Holloway has ever been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

Aruban investigators reopened the case last year based on the hidden-camera recordings made by Dutch television crime reporter Peter R. de Vries.

But judges rejected an attempt to re-arrest Van der Sloot for statements he made on the Dutch TV show. The hidden-camera recordings showed Van der Sloot saying he was with Holloway when she died on the Dutch Caribbean island and that he had a friend dump her body at sea.

Mos, without disclosing specifics, said the TV program caused a "new stream of information" regardless of the appeals court decision blocking authorities from arresting Van der Sloot for a third time based on the statements.

"My office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results," Mos said, referring to Van der Sloot, who was last known to be living in Thailand.

In November, Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruba Prosecutors' Office, said authorities hoped to decide by the end of 2008 whether to prosecute Van der Sloot or close the case for good.

Attorneys for Van der Sloot did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment and there was no answer at his parents' home in Aruba.

Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-cb-aruba-missing-teen,1,1071942.story

Thanx.More,more,more.. ::MonkeyDance::

Hero Brinkman wants a Dutch investigation of the first 10 days of the disappearance of Natalee.  He wants those answers.  He said he thinks there are a few people out there who know what happened.  He said Joran must have told someone and he wants those answers to come out.

Greta asked Hero to make a promise he will not desert us and get a complete investigation.  She is asking him if he can get a Dutch investigation and he is saying he is wanting that to happen.  He wants answers.  My opinion, he is credible but this is a big problem to correct after all this time.  Next up Greta will tear into Mos (I hope).

Very good interview....Aruba is corrupt as hell....the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee was no different.  

Most of the politicians only get involved in politics to line their pockets.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If I don't say this, I'll bust:

An investigation of the investigation..............Hero actually said those words and pledged to do it.

Those are the magic words I've waited a long time to hear. Please God, let him mean them!

Ok, Keep, I know San will be much better but Hero also stated his goal is to have Dutch investigate first 10 days of Nat's disappearance. He knows other people know what has happened, whether by Joran or others, and he has good ideas on who some are. He said he will not give up fight...Next is Mos---May as well have Paulus do the interview-he's pulling his strings...

Thanx San,Blue Moon.Give it to em Greta... ::MonkeyDance:: Then ask what he was doing on the Persistence and what he thought of the pictures! ::MonkeyDance::

Oh Mos will not be happy with Fox and Greta when he hears what they are saying about him. ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Di

I see ya lurking.  It has been a while.

Janet

Klaas,and or any of the Mods.Hero's email anywhere?We need to blow is computer up with email's.Thank you Hero!Anyhting to keep the light on the island.

Tell me more,Tell me more.. ::MonkeyDance::

Yeah, very good bash session. We all know how these creeps hate the truth....

Jim Hammer said it was a press conference about you Greta  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ted Williams said he is being more reactive than proactive.  He is sitting on his butt and expecting people to bring something to him.

Bernie Grimm said MOS is just making us all look bad as lawyers.

Michael Cardoza said he is certainly knee jerking everything you had done on your show.  He said they should prosecute this kid for being a hard human being.

Hi CBB.  I agree. 

Greta telling about Mos naming the name of the person Joran sold Natalee to but that info was not in Jorans interview.  Wonders if Mos knew who it was and slipped the name in the press release.  He is rather lazy and stupid---let's see where is that picture Klaas had with his itty bitty purse?

That's what he wants but does he have the power to get it?  I do believe keeping it in the news is the only reason this case wasn't closed a year ago.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/MosHansOM1-1.jpg)

I LOVE IT.  I hope he see's his picture here.  Should make him happy.

I did a front page post right after the press conference (Red said I could) but Red didn't know I was going to post the purse pic, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/06/natalee-holloway-business-as-usual-in-aruba/

Yes and it sounds very much like Abramovic? Could it br Abramovich? Like in roman Abramovich the russian allegedly in town when Natalee went missing?

I hadn't seen that.  You are BAD.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You know that is what it sounded like.  Strange.

Greta goes you could tell we are getting under his skin.

Mos started a paragraph with concluding and he goes down more and says furthermore and goes into something else.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Every time I see that picture of Mos with his hands on his hips, it reminds me of Rocky Horror Picture Show...dancing along with "Time Warp". 
<snip>
It's just a jump to the left
And then a step to the right
With your hands on your hips
You bring your knees in tight
But it's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insane,
Let's do the Time Warp again!
<snip>
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/therockyhorrorpictureshow/thetimewarp.htm

JMHO

Adamovic

I seriously doubt that Aruba wants to implicate Abramovich, even they aren't that stupid.

This was Mos' checkmate to Greta and Fox and they have won the chess game against him tonight.  I can see him now with his hands on his hips (and the devil ears) and stomping his feet.

::MonkeyHaHa::
loves it

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Jim Hammer said the most interesting part of this is Mos said they have a couple of last things they are tracking down and they plan a final confrontation with Joran.  He doesn't have a lot of hope but it sounds like they are produce some new stuff so maybe there is more to tell in this story still.  Greta said we hope we hope.

Did someone say John Q. and Mark Furman were in Aruba meeting with Mos?  I am surprised Greta didn't have them on the phone tonight.

ABRAMOVIC - ARUBAN CONNECTION
 
Issue #971 (39), Tuesday, May 25, 2004

Abramovich Purchases Equal of Air Force One
Lyuba Pronina
Staff Writer

For billionaire Roman Abramovich, who started a multi-million shopping spree last year with the purchase of Chelsea soccer club, apparently the sky is the limit.

One of his recent buys is a brand new Boeing 767-300, which, equipped with a missile jammer, is the next best thing to the U.S. president's Air Force One, according to sources familiar with the deal.

The craft, which was purchased for an undisclosed sum last year from Ansett Worldwide leasing firm, is currently parked on the grounds of Jet Aviation, a business aviation services firm in Basel, Switzerland, the sources said. It has already been painted in Filton, England, in the same livery as the Boeing Business Jet 737 Abramovich already owns.

A new Boeing 767 costs roughly $100 million, but analysts said it is virtually impossible to estimate the price tag of Abramovich's jet because of the unknown cost of the plane's interior.

"It has all the toys in it. It has the best communications, which cannot be cracked, modeled on Air Force One," said a source in Russia who knows about the purchase.

President George W. Bush has two specially configured Boeing 747-200s. They can be refueled in mid-flight and are equipped with anti-missile defenses.

Accommodations include an executive suite consisting of a stateroom and the president's office. A conference/dining room is also available for the president, his family and staff. Other accommodations are provided for guests, senior staff, security personnel and reporters.

Asked to comment on Abra-movich's rival to Air Force One, U.S. Air Mobility Command spokesman Mark Voorhis said: "We cannot comment on this one, ma'am."

President Vladimir Putin has two Ilyushin 62 presidential jets. The interior of the Russian president's newest jet is a tightly kept secret, leading to the occasional report in the yellow press of toilets made of gold.


The new jet purchased by Abramovich will certainly rival those of many heads of state.

The firm in charge of the plane's interior design, Jet Aviation, refused to comment on the craft.

The company did say, however, that late last year it completed a full-size plywood and styrofoam mock-up of a Boeing 767 interior for a private customer the firm would not name. It was the first full-scale mock-up of a 767 interior that the firm completed.

The price of the mock-up ran between $150,000 and $300,000, according to Flight International, a London-based aviation industry magazine.

"It will make Air Force One look cheap," said one airline industry expert.

"Jet Aviation do a very high quality job and recently completed the outfit of an Airbus 340 for the sultan of Brunei," said Paul Duffy, a Moscow-based independent aviation analyst.

Duffy estimated that the missile jammer would set back Abramovich $1.5 million.

Not all Russian airports can accommodate the Boeing 767. But the craft would have no problems taking off and landing at Chukotka's capital Anadyr, the general director of the town's airport, Gennady Baiborodov, said in an interview last week. The airport is undergoing a $50 million reconstruction.

Abramovich's new plane will be registered with the Aruba Civil Aviation Register, Netherlands, the same as his first Boeing, sources said.

The plane was originally set to be delivered to Hawaiian Airlines, but later ended up in the possession of a Cayman Islands registered company, according to a British consultancy firm familiar with the situation.

http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=590

Well I used to carry a red purse sorta like that, but it suits him better the little wuus.  Where are the real men in Aruba for crying out loud.

I just laugh out loud every time I see that picture.  It is perfect with his hands on his hip like that.  Priceless.

Any news from Jossy?

Beheaded, tortured, kidnapped and/or missing...

Haven't heard anything.  Hotshot was suppose to get back with us on why Eduardo Mansur was on that ship the whole time they were in Aruba.  But haven't heard back from her on it.  Maybe later.

Yes someone did say it but that someone is a known liar Julia Renfro aka Glenda.

Edited to add:  Maybe there is more going on and there's just no reason for them to be interviewed yet

I'd love ta slap that smirk off his face too.

Rock On!!   ::MonkeyCool::

For some reason i don't think we'll get the Truth,as to why,Eduardo was on the Persistence everyday!

I agree, infact they might do everything possible to keep it from being found out. ::MonkeyCool::

1/6/2009 Bondia

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

I hope someone will help us with the translation.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01062009Bondia13a.jpg)

Mark Furhman likes to go into a case and look around, ask questions.  Mos did say if anyone has anything to bring it forward so maybe John Q. and Mark Furhman are checking out a few things in Aruba.  (IF they are in Aruba at all. Agreed the source is not the most reliable).

Maybe not but Hotshot will at some point come back with an answer to that question.  She is pretty good about answering questions.

Other than Jossy Mansur ... I contend that not one real man has emerged in Aruba throughout the entire 3 1/2 years since Natalee Holloway went missing.

When I consider ... the CAPS, Silvetti, Eduardo and Jossy connection ... I am beginning to have my doubts about Jossy.  I pray I am wrong.

Janet

++++


A REMINDER

'Scarborough Country' for August 26
updated 12:49 p.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 29, 2005
DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007
Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


DIARIO Aruba
April 26, 2006

Further, the gardener’s testimony stands as valid and concrete to this day. He confirmed this in front of a judge. He passed a lie detector test successfully! Nothing of what he has said has been contradicted with solid proof to this day.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_30_archive.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Feb. 16
updated 1:14 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 17, 2006

COSBY: … In the civil suit, it provided some nuggets of some of the information, and some of this hadn‘t really been highlighted before, Jossy. It said, “In the early hours of Monday morning”—this was when Natalee went missing—“Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleaned his silver Nissan car, claiming after the fact that it had bad ants in it.”

Had you heard that before, Jossy? And that, I think, is an interesting nugget.

MANSUR: Yes, ma‘am, we have heard it. We know that that early morning, they went into a total clean-up of the car. Witnesses, neighbors that live close to them testified to that. So the clean-up did take place.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11413381/


NANCY GRACE
Can Aruban Prosecutors Keep Joran Van Der Sloot in Jail?
Aired August 23, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": That`s what I understand, that this jogger also saw the same car parked at the same spot by the racquet club. However, he did call from a public telephone, and I don`t know whether the police can trace it or not. But according to information I have, they cannot.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/23/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


'Scarborough Country' for August 26
updated 12:49 p.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 29, 2005

DANIELS:  Yes.  But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today.  It has to mean something.  There has to be a master plan here.  What are you hearing about that?
 
MANSUR:  Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.
 
What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case.  He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran.  And then he was released.  And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs.  Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


DANA PRETZER
December 14, 2006

DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


DANA PRETZER
June 18, 2006

MANSUR: It does look very familiar to what she was wearing, but I'm unable to confirm it, we would have to go search for the fabric itself which has disappeared since. Every piece of evidence or what appears to be evidence has disappeared or we never heard about it again.


DANA PRETZER
October 5, 2007

MANSUR: People thought Beth caused bad publicity for the island, but Beth is not at fault, it is the three suspects. If there's damage to the island it should be on the shoulders of the three suspects.


DANA PRETZER
June 18, 2006

MANSUR:  I do know what our reporters have been able to find, Lorenzo is a half brother of Joran. He has a boat. He lives in a secluded section of the island, very close to Joran. I don't know if he was questioned, but people mention his name quite often in regard to this case.

http://sundaynightsatellite.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2006&post_month=06&post_day=18


NANCY GRACE
Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired July 29, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

GRACE: OK. Jossy, is there any way to tie in a white pick-up to this scenario?

MANSUR: Yes, ma`am, because there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.
 
GRACE: OK. So you`ve got a white pick-up at the Holiday Inn, where Natalee was staying. You`ve got a white pick-up at the landfill. Both eyewitnesses state that there were three individuals, I`m assuming male. But can they give an identification of Joran Van Der Sloot or the Kalpoe brothers?
 
MANSUR: None of them have given that kind of a description. They haven`t identified the three males. But it`s very important to note that the witness on the beach by the Holiday Inn has absolutely no knowledge of the witness over there to the east side of the island by the landfill or dump. They don't know each other, but still they give the same description of the same white pick-up.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for July 26, 2005, CNNHN
Aired July 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Attorneys for chief suspect Joran Van Der Sloot`s appear to stall for time in the Natalee Holloway investigation on Aruba, as volunteer search teams begin to squabble and one even threatens a lawsuit against another.
Aired August 17, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": I don`t know what`s happening, but the gardener, the witness, did stand by his story. He did confirm in front of the judge, in front of the defense attorneys, in front of the suspects, that he recognized, and he even recognized two of the three suspects that were there. He hasn`t changed his story one bit.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/17/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for August 3, 2005, CNNHN
Aired August 3, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

GRACE: And Jossy, have you heard any information regarding a search for one of those little kiddie pools?
 
MANSUR: They have been searching for that. They have found one, and they`re concentrating on that area where this witness says that when they dumped the body, they covered it with some other bags and then put this little pool on it.
 
GRACE: OK, I`m sorry. I didn`t hear that. Repeat, Jossy.

MANSUR: They are searching where -- they did find this -- one of these pools, this pool, and they have been searching in that specific area because we have to remember that this garbage has been moved about quite a bit from that day on by big tractors and front-end loaders and whatever.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/03/ng.01.html

You know what I would love?  I would love it if Renfro's story about Furman and JQK being in Aruba is BS and she just reported a BS story in Bondia.  I'd love that. 

I agree about the Bondia news story Klaas.  I did read Mark, Beth and John Q.'s names in that article.   (Scarry thing is I can almost make out some things in that report.)

I'm definitly interested in the response.Nothing against Hotshot!

The problem is Hotshot is claiming she can't get into SM.  She wanted to know if she was banned, I told her NO.  It seems a few of the ChatnGrumble members are trying to say they are banned from SM when they aren't.  Hotshot and Lala's as an example.  Neither is banned yet they are implying to others they are.  Go figure.  Some people just love the drama I guess. ::MonkeyRoll::

True, and until I know what the article says I don't believe it says they are there.  For all we know it's just more trashing Greta's show.

Maybe it helps them fit in better over there.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well they keep telling you to ban them.  Then they run. ChatnGrumble must be a happening place. 

Why would anyone ASK to be banned?? Just go away on your own if you don't like it. Nothing but drama.

Witnesses approach everybody, except the prosecution. This was stated in the press release that Greta read from. Paraphrasing - "Witness approached Dave Holloway..." Something wrong with that picture, huh?

I would imagine that those answers may be very hard to get!   ::MonkeyWink::

I agree Wreck.  NOW my drama for the night----------I have to call it a night.  I am paying for being off 2 weeks at work, they are killing me.  Been told not to expect any time off for the next 2 months until our project is completed.  Yuk, Yuk.

Thanx Klaas!We're waiting HotShot.We'll be starting on Day 3 of arrest week tomorrow.Will a Major player be arrested?We're still waiting.I would like to think they will but the press conference tells me otherwise.Do you have a day CapsLockWizard?

KEEPTHEFAITH

Exactly my point Wreck

Considering Eduardo Mansur position was leader of the Aruban dive team ... it makes sense why he had a presence on board the Persistence.

Maybe Dana could invite Eduardo as a guest and ... ask the hard questions regarding the John Silvetti/ALE connection.

Janet

+++++++

klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #173 on: January 04, 2009, 02:37:49 PM »

Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 


Quote
From Jossy

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
Take care
 
Jossy 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg611967#msg611967

Why'd they call it ChatnGrumble?Why not ChatnRun.OK,OK.Sorry klaas!! ::MonkeyDance::

I know how you feel Blue Moon, I'm paying for my time off too.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Goodnight!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hotshot was last active here last night...Lala's 12/30/08.....imo that would mean they were logged in at that time...W

Goodnight BlueMoon!

We REALLY do need a drive by smiley!!!   ::MonkeyWink::

For those who didn't see Greta tonight, this was my favorite part:

Snipped from Mos' press release:

Finally Fox broadcasts a so-called telephone conversation between Joran and his father. The contents of that phone call are supposed to corroborate Joran´s new story. The taped conversation between Joran and his father recently has been downloaded from the Internet by the Police and handed over to the Dutch Forensic Institute. This independent institute, the NFI, has been requested by the Police and my Office to conduct a voice-comparing investigation between the voice on that tape and earlier recordings of Paul van der Sloot. Within a few months we will know whether the material can be investigated and if so, what the results will be.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

So funny!  The lawyers were howling about this one!  Greta has offered the original recording to Mos so many times, but instead the police download it and send it for analysis.  Chain of custody nightmare!  I guess that's how they do things in Aruba. 

MOS is an ASSCLOWN!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

2NJ - Hotshot was emailing me telling me she couldn't get in while she was online SM.  I have no idea what Lala's problem is.  Lala's has my email address and hasn't emailed me once saying she has a problem yet she has told people at CnG she has been put on a 30 day timeout.  That is a lie.

Hmmmm, I might be able to do that..hold on

Well, I'll just entertain myself.......


Two posts from the front page about MOS:

#  Steve Holloway on January 6th, 2009 5:52 pm

“There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search.”

OK what would indication someone was at a dam? Maybe just maybe, being wet from the chest down.

Or maybe holding a sign saying I came from the dam.

God help them
# allank on January 6th, 2009 8:27 pm

Why is he holding a pocketbook-purse?   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Too funny, Klaas.  I love it.

Considering some of his connections with some on that Island who obviously have an Aruban agenda ... I do not know if I would approach Dave Holloway.  I believe that Dave Holloway and Tim Miller's gentle natures get in the way of their discernment in regards to relationships they can trust.  My hubby is inclined that way to some extent.  However ... I set him straight.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Nevertheless ... I definitely would not approach the prosecutor or ... any official within the Aruban administration if I had any pertenent information to relate in regards to the Natalee Holloway case.

The FBI, John Q. Kelly, Jug Twitty and Beth Holloway would be were it was at.

Obviously ... Deepak's friend must not trust the "powers that be" within Aruba when it is considered that she contacted the FBI.  Also ... the landfill witness approached Natalee's family two month after he reported his observation to ALE and was not satisfied with the response.

Janet

+++++

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00 ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html


Aruba Missing Teen
Posted: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Last Updated: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Reporter: Associated Press

A volunteer group searching for a missing Alabama teenager dug through a landfill in Aruba for a third day today (Sunday) but found no clues.

The search resumes tomorrow.

An Aruban man said he was at the landfill dropping off trash when he saw men dump and cover the body of a blonde female, two days after Natalee Holloway disappeared.

Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip days after Holloway's disappearance May 30th, but found nothing.

He said the witness recently approached Holloway's family, who asked for another search.

http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/1756907.html

I understand that and I was stating my observation...that's why I posted W for Whatever...it doesn't make sense.         ::MonkeyHaHa::  Gets hairy when you have to 'splain' yourself. 

Mos: " I have personally downloaded the recording on my Fisher-Price 'My First Tape Recorder' that I got for Christmas. When I am through baking cookies with my new 'Easy Bake Oven' (although the light bulb wasn't hot enough); I will divulge my analysis. That is all. Come Across"

I don't think it is drama. Possibly login problems? but after all this time, I find it hard to believe. I mean maybe once or twice difficulty but......
Lalas said the message she would get when she tried to sign in was that she was on a 30 day timeout. When she tried to sign in yesterday she was apparently able to do so. I can find out possitively and let you know.Yapperz and Katysmom have been banned- or are getting messages that they are banned. Yapperz contributed so much as a birdie and I hate to see long time posters, any poster banned.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/MonkeyDriveBy.gif)

perfect Klaas

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
How about a pic of Thelma and Louise driving off the cliff!?!

LOL.  I love that!!

When I saw this, my first thought was (in a funny way)...What happened if downloaded a youtube spoof...
Funny thing is...they probably had to use a copy of Greta's show (from a media source - net,website[SM-haha])...
Imagine Mos using a camcorder while in his living room (in boxer briefs, high heels, and holding his red purse) taping OTR before going to bed...Arriving at work the next day...Shipping off a VCR tape to Holland to be analyzed...Probably just examined by good old (X-RAY eyes) Jacobs...Denny has the (one-of-a-kind) ability to forensicly test evidence on the spot...

BTW...Sorry to everyone for the visual...
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Steve Holloway definite has a sarcastic side to his kind and gentle character.  I like it.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

+++++++


Steve Holloway on January 6th, 2009 5:52 pm

“There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search.”

OK what would indication someone was at a dam? Maybe just maybe, being wet from the chest down.

Or maybe holding a sign saying I came from the dam.

God help them

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/06/natalee-holloway-business-as-usual-in-aruba/


hotping
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #809 on: January 06, 2009, 07:14:06 PM »

Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Why? Three reasons

First of all there is the fact that a few months ago, based on the results of the investigation, the estimate was that the investigation could be ended by the end of 2008. More specifically I am referring to the re-opened investigation into the suspect in this case, Joran van der Sloot, against whom the criminal investigation was restarted after the broadcast of a Peter R. de Vries investigation last February. Because that program caused a new stream of information, this information first has to be examined which will take at least another few months.

Secondly, about six weeks ago an interview with Joran van der Sloot was broadcasted on an American cable news Channel. In this interview Joran tells a completely new version of the alleged facts that occurred concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Before showing the interview and in the days after the show the Aruban Prosecutors Office and the Aruban Police were alleged to be corrupt and unwilling to investigate possible leads in this case. We find it fit to address those allegations today.

The third reason is that my Office and the Police Department would like to urge all people that have information about things that have occurred on May 30th 2005 or about persons that are or might be involved in this case, whatever that information may be, to hand that information over to the Police or to the Public Prosecutors Office.

For a good understanding of the facts I would like to take you back to December 18th 2007. It was on that day that the three suspects in this case got official notice from my Office that the criminal investigation into their possible involvement in this case was ended. This did not mean that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway also ended. On the contrary. That investigation never stopped. If new information or evidence would come up, the criminal investigation against any suspect in this case could be re-opened. This is possible as long as the statute of limitations does not prohibit this.

No one could imagine at that time that within a month from that decision this Office was confronted with the information that Dutch crime investigator Peter R de Vries had made secret camera shots of Joran van der Sloot talking about the case against a civilian under cover. After my Office got the tapes and before the actual broadcast of the Peter R. de Vries program, on our request the criminal investigation against Joran was re-opened by the investigating judge.

At the same time the investigation was fully operational again and had as a main goal to find as much corroborating evidence as possible of what Joran van der Sloot had told the under cover. The judge was asked to approve the third consecutive custody of Joran van der Sloot. The investigating judge against whose decision this Office lodged an appeal at the Common Court of Appeal in Curacao denied this approval. The Court of Appeal upheld the investigating judges’ decision, thus disabling Police to re-arrest Joran van der Sloot.

It is proper to take another look at the Court of Appeals’ decision. The Court of Appeal took into account the footage that was handed over by Peter de Vries as well as all the old investigative results of over nearly 3 years of investigation. Weighing whether there was enough new serious material, evidence (necessary to be able to put one into custody) the Court decided that the new elements that Joran had told the under cover were not corroborated by “objective facts”. On top of that the Court considered the fact that the suspect already had argued that there are objective facts that contradict the new elements that were told by him to the under cover. The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

What does the Court’s decision imply when we take a closer look?
1.    After an extensive and intensive investigation, the contents of the Police file combined with the new statements of Joran, does not hold enough evidence necessary to pass the threshold for a third consecutive term of pretrial custody.
2.    Logical conclusion from the above mentioned must be, that the evidence that we do have in the extensive files, is not enough to convict this suspect.

For that reason this Office has made the gathering of these “objective facts” that can serve as evidence against the main suspect it’s primary goal for the investigation from that point on.

What the Police and this Office have done:

•    Already on January 22nd 2008, the day after Peter de Vries had shown the tapes to the Public Prosecutor and the Police, the investigation into the person called “Daury” was started. Finally a person called Daury R. was identified and it turned out that he probably was involved in drug trafficking activities (as had been told by Joran). Because of that and following his own TV-appearance on 20-20, he was arrested in the USA on the suspicion of international drug trafficking. He is currently detained in the USA.
•    Investigation into the pay phone in the hotel garden was started as well as finding an answer to the question whether Joran had the possession of a credit card (necessary to use the phone).
•    On our request the National Prosecutor’s Office in Rotterdam as well as The National Crime Squad executed numerous requests, such as various house searches and finally the questioning of Joran van der Sloot.
•    Since then over 20 witnesses were interviewed, some of them for the second or third time. These interviews pertained mostly to Joran’s missing shoes and the person called “Daury”, Joran’s alleged accomplice.
•    Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened.
•    During his stay on Aruba the Police twice interviewed under cover “Patrick”.

Besides the Police investigation Peter de Vries’ program received an enormous amount of information. The serious tips were passed on to my Office in order to have them investigated.
Four of them could be investigated and led to thorough investigation.

Furthermore investigation was conducted into the statement of a fisherman, until that moment unknown by the Police or my Office. This witness, known by the Holloway family, claimed that in the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway a large knife was stolen from one of the Fisherman’s huts while at the same time a large crab cage was missing that at least was there until the month of April. This owner of the cage was also interviewed by the Police but told them that this allegedly missing cage had never been left at the huts but was always taken home.
He told the Police that Mrs. Holloway and the press approached him a long time ago and that he had told them his story. His identity was never officially revealed to the Police. It was because the Persistence ship at that time was searching for relevant material on the sea bed that the story about the cage and the fisherman came up in a conversation between this Office and Mr. Dave Holloway, which led this Office to the identity of the witness.

As you may know, the expedition of the Persistence led to only one finding that was supposed to be relevant to this case. Special Police divers brought certain material to the surface of which one might assume could be the clothes of Natalee Holloway. These samples were sent to the FBI laboratory. After examination by the FBI the result was that these samples did not match the clothes of Natalee.

In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer. This witness statement is already widely known: the witness claims he saw Joran van der Sloot in the middle of the night of May 30th walking in front of his house, soaked up to his chest, walking on one shoe and heavily breathing. He was walking into the direction of the hotels, coming from the direction of the Church at Noord. What the witness was actually aiming for was the Police to conduct an intensive search in the dam of Monserrat. Nevertheless the witness could not give us any reason why the Police should conduct a search in the dam. It was the conclusion of the witness that Joran had come from the dam since he came walking from that direction. There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

This witness has turned himself to Dave Holloway, as we have been told. He has given a new statement and has undergone a lie detector test. According to the summary of the lie detector test results (a full report, as promised to my Office by Tim Miller was never received) the witness was considered to be reliable. This Office never questioned the reliability of what the witness claimed to have seen. Yet, the value of his statement in the reconstruction of facts of that night is very limited. With his sole statement this case could never be solved.

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office are being accused of not following leads in this investigation. Those allegations are unjust and unfounded. Of course it is true that we weigh the information and the source on credibility and value before we start to investigate. But witnesses, who claim to have leads that find no ground in facts whatsoever and therefore are not being investigated by the Police, are free to investigate those themselves. This - of course – within the limitations imposed by law.

I will give you three examples of what we have experienced the last 10 months in terms of leads given by people who claim to have special powers and know where Natalee would be.

The first one claimed that Natalee was in the hands of foreign criminals but could not give us any actual lead to follow.
The second one recently claimed that the girl was buried on an Aruba beach. After consulting my Office and the Police a private search was conducted, only facilitated by the Police. No result was reported.
The third person was very persistent and claimed he had witnesses he could not disclose to my Office. He claimed Natalee was buried under a hotel that was under construction at the time of her disappearance. He requested that my Office would order a hole to be drilled in the hotel floor in order to conduct an endoscopic search underneath the hotel. When the prosecutor asked the man for the undisclosed witnesses and kept asking for his sources, he finally admitted that his theory was based on a dream.

As you can see, this is just a part of what we have experienced over the past months. There is much more of these “leads” which take us an awful lot of time and distract us from the actual investigation. We do not obstruct anyone, but when there is no concrete information or the information is unreliable we chose not to investigate that lead or that information. In that respect the Aruban Police is not different from any other Police force in the world.

CONCLUDING:

This I can tell you: during the investigation of which you just received an overview, a series of investigative acts were conducted. I will not disclose the results of that investigation here and now because the investigation is not yet finished and my Office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results. Only as soon as the investigation into the new statements of Joran van der Sloot has been completely finalized, the suspect will be notified about the decision by my Office whether he will be charged or not. At that time the public also will be informed. If possible investigative results may be disclosed to the public.

When will the investigation be completed?

At this moment the last leads and some minor details are under investigation. These minor questions first have to be answered before a decision can be made. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects to have conducted the necessary investigations within a number of months. Exact data cannot be determined.

Furthermore I would like to say this.
Recently Fox broadcast an interview of Joran van der Sloot recorded by Greta van Susteren in the spring of 2008. In this interview Joran presents yet another new version of the facts. This time he claims he has sold Natalee Holloway on the beach for $ 10,000 to a person called `Adamovic´ after a prearranged agreement. This man had taken the girl from the beach on a boat and sailed away.
Although Fox already had the possession of this information for nearly 6 months, it waited to disclose it to the public by the end of November 2008. A request by my Office to provide this information to us digitally was left unanswered.

Now suddenly Fox and a lawyer demand that my Office shall conduct an intensive investigation into a story of which the anchor of the program herself already considered the possibility that it could be “a wild goose chase”. Furthermore Joran van der Sloot after the interview was taped, denied that what he said was true. The Fox program also showed an interview with Joran´s American lawyer, in which the program’s anchor implicitly admitted that Joran was paid for the interview. Finally Fox broadcasts a so-called telephone conversation between Joran and his father. The contents of that phone call are supposed to corroborate Joran´s new story. The taped conversation between Joran and his father recently has been downloaded from the Internet by the Police and handed over to the Dutch Forensic Institute. This independent institute, the NFI, has been requested by the Police and my Office to conduct a voice-comparing investigation between the voice on that tape and earlier recordings of Paul van der Sloot. Within a few months we will know whether the material can be investigated and if so, what the results will be.

It is more than remarkable that no longer than 5 months after Joran´s so called confessions were taped on hidden cameras by Peter R. de Vries, statements both in the Netherlands and in the USA considered as “the solving of the case”, this Joran now comes forward with a completely different new story. Now this story is being considered as one that urgently has to be investigated. This while there are many indications that Joran simply pulled Fox’s leg and earned himself a lot of money as well. To prove that we are dealing with “a wild goose chase”, the Police on our request have checked some verifiable parts from Joran´s new statement, which show that it is a wild goose chase.

The Holloway family lawyer, who demanded the immediate arrest of suspects, was told that the Public Prosecutor, given the legal requirements, couldn’t find any ground in this interview to order an arrest.

Final remarks

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office on Aruba are still conducting an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yet we are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation and are busy with the last two leads. Now we are still busy I would like to add this: if you have relevant information, no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem, please notify my Office or the Police here on Aruba.

The purpose of the criminal investigation is to establish beyond reasonable doubt what has happened to Natalee Holloway on the night of May 30th 2005. Have crimes been committed against her and, if so, which crimes and by whom? And if someone is responsible for crimes committed, that person, whoever he may be, should be held accountable for those crimes in a court of law. Yet that result still has not been met.

In short: it is the Police and the Prosecutor’s Office that have, and should have, the primary responsibility for a criminal investigation. That is the way it is legally laid down in our judicial system. If others want to help, we will applaud them doing so. Yet, when those activities start to get counter productive and under circumstances jeopardizes the investigation, we should address the public and make them aware of these effects.
In order to prevent that happening we thought it fit to inform you through this press conference.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673

Imagine Mos using a camcorder while in his living room (in boxer briefs, high heels, and holding his red purse) taping OTR before going to bed...Arriving at work the next day...Shipping off a VCR tape to Holland to be analyzed...Probably just examined by good old (X-RAY eyes) Jacobs...Denny has the (one-of-a-kind) ability to forensicly test evidence on the spot...

BTW...Sorry to everyone for the visual...

Buckshot!  That image is now seared into my brain......... ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wonder if Jossy could provide Mos with some evidence...
Mos has essentially welcomed tips which could aid the investigation...
Jossy has published articles in his newspaper...
Jossy (and family) do not seem to like the VanderSloot family too much...
Perhaps Mos could ask Jossy where he obtained his information from (sources)...
Mos could have these leads investigated...Hmm...
Could start a family feud down on "one happy island"...
Mudslinging...With media driven transparency...For all to see...

Love it Klaas!    ::MonkeyDance::

 What the witness was actually aiming for was the Police to conduct an intensive search in the dam of Monserrat. Nevertheless the witness could not give us any reason why the Police should conduct a search in the dam. It was the conclusion of the witness that Joran had come from the dam since he came walking from that direction. There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search.

Am i correct in sayin that this is the pond that Caps,Silvetti,as well as the witness wanted searched?

Unfortunately, there are no consequences to be feared...by anyone...
Investigator: You better tell me or else...
Suspect: Or else what...Get out of my face...
Investigator: Pretty please...

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Any remember "Jame Gumb" from "Silence of the Lambs"???

Goodnight Everyone.

I see tidycat lurking and wanted to say Hi tidy.

I do.......maybe "seared" was a bad choice  ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes.  And the fact that Joran was wet all the way up to his chest did not give them any indication that they should check the one source of water in the general area. 

Goodnight San!   ::MonkeyCool::

I guess there are some perks to taking an early retirement package.  However ... sometimes I think I reacted too hastily ... too greedily.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Seemed that way...Based on what has been discussed here recently...

Also thought I heard insinuated that it was a (good Samaritan-like) attempt (by CAPS?) to fabricate? a witness in order to get the police to drain the pond, which may contain evidence...

Meanwhile, as discussed here...Some theories (and wilder theories? OR... truth for all we know?) have search members relocating evidence to that pond...For what reason?...I do not know...Anything is possible to me...

Who provided Mos with this witness?

Whew, just caught up reading.  What a night!  Aruba still sucks the big one, Mos still an ASSCLOWN.  Love his purse, Klaas.  Matches his tail, horns and pitchfork....

KTF, I am still stuck on the arrest of the "major player" also.  You know we were told this last week, IIRC, around 1/2, so actually the week is already up?

Would that be correct?  Don't know, but Caps said by the end of the week and that would have been last Sunday?

 ::MonkeyRoll::

I think this would be the one that came forward about the 4:00am sighting.  So I suppose Caps is the one who located this person.

Well Mos certainly letus all know where he stands today.  Not much of a surprise.

Gotta go.  Work tomorrow.

 I WANT SOMEBODY TO BE FREAKING ARRESTED ON ARUBA.............


DO YOU HEAR ME, ARUBA..............


GET ON IT, PRONTO.............

CapsLockWizard posted it on Jan 2nd which was Friday so i'm under the belief that he meant this week!I'll have hope till the end of the week.If no arrest???We shall wait and see.

bleachedblack

I realize that these Monkeys and former Natalee's Freebirds who are posting at this new site are not trolls ... not by a long shot.  They have devoted so much time and effort for the past 3 1/2 to expose a coverup within the investigation into the disappearance of an eighteen year old American citizen on Aruban soil.

However ... I cannot comprehend how it does not register ... if Kyle Kingman had put Natalee Holloway's family first and ... had immediately upon returning to the States had reported his concerns regarding the troubling aspects of the Persistence undertaking as well as the second set of ROV images to the FBI ... pressure could have been put on the Aruban "powers that be" to reveal if Natalee Holloway's remains had been recovered from the cage/trap.  The family of Natalee Holloway deserved no less.

It saddens me that any Natalee's Freebird or Monkey would uphold Kyle Kingman and attempt to justify his self-serving actions ... self-serving actions that have furthered the Aruban coverup agenda as well as betrayed Natalee Holloway and her family.

Janet

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'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'The Abrams Report' for July 1
updated 7:47 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She deserves it, and everyone knows it, Martin, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/

So do we really believe with the climate of Aruba,Caps is singlehandidly trying to solve something Aruba doesn't want solved?

be back shortly Monkey's.. ::MonkeyDance::

Guess you're right, I was pushing it, wasn't I.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Okay, til the end of the week, we shall see!

Aruba = Corruption

They never meant to solve this case.  They never counted on the Holloway family and all the rest of us AMERICANs who took a stand.

The family has suffered a living nightmare for almost four years.  We will never go away until there is justice for Natalee Holloway and she is brought home to rest on American soil where she belongs.  There will be no peace for Aruba until there is peace for the Holloway family.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet, I couldn't agree more.

I have to call it a night Monkeys.  I had an eventful day. Just wanted to share that my fifth and only boy grandchild was born today!  He is beautiful and already spoiled.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Cageman...
Could You please tell Us what this article says....Thank You in Advance!  ::MonkeyWink::

Congratulations.....I Bet He is Precious!  ::MonkeyWink::

Nite KY - congrats on the new baby boy  ::MonkeyWink::

CAPS

We watch last week ... nothing.  We watched this week ... nothing.

Janet

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finngirl
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #635 on: January 06, 2009, 06:13:23 AM »

Reply #115 on: January 02, 2009, 02:17:45 AM

The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.

Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon.

Question: how many years did the USA took to get Gotti Convicted.?

So like a said: in colombia they call those that make information up to confuse the issues of this case a SAPO.

How can we hunt for lions while those on this net is working against the work at hand. Watch a movie is not like reading the book of the movie.

In the state the only thing that can be done right now is to pray...since those that scream the loudest are not in the field...but is try to confuse the world.

Things has happend but like I said before. A Sapo war is a lost war....

Remeber 911 ....the first attempt was that the basement, but then the media did give a whole information on how the building was done and how strong it was and where the weakest link were.....where is it now...

if we want to win we have to investigate and not pointing finger to those that are at work...

What ever kyle did and the OE did, I do not know, I was not there. I work alone with a group that can not be put at risk

What I hate the most of this site now is the way the information is twisted, but it is the same method that was use by those that made Natalee desapear, they twist the info.

If anyone to work on the case work on the case. but all that was said is said, we are not working in the future but with info that has been twisted in 2005 and need to be put back straight...

Investigate, but never assume and make thing up or cut and paste and reassamble what people said to proof your own view without knowing the real context in which that particular text was written or no even knowing what was the question to the origin of the text.

Every event in 2005 had a flow and when the truth is change, we allways will have a paradox. and I see it happend here in this forum also or should I call it SM Paradox.

Peter devries tried to put in in a movie but it does not compute, and so a lot is trying to assamble the story.

Read again what I say, how can you hunt lions without a local guide. and put your own magination those all that has tried to build a picture of this case;

and jumb the gun for some momement of sensation, they do not know the real truth, but they do not sit everyday in aruba and continue with the work at hand...all take carefully planning, and all seems to forget one thing, and that is in the question above...to know who (the corrupt Babylons) takes time, but go to war without knowing them is suicidal to all.

CAPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.100

I would like to see them arrest Mos for obstruction of justice and for being a Bitch.  ::MonkeyTongue::

What the heck is this with Joran back in the Netherlands after rying to sell girls in Thialand.. Is the Netherlands wanting to make him a national hero or what ?
Why not just build a statue of him and mount it in Amsterdam center ?

This ain't over yet Paulus..    :smt065

Congratulations KYcat!

 ::cartwheel::

Janet

Congrats KYcat.  We talk about our grand babies all the time, and we don't even have any yet. lol

Congratulations..  ::MonkeyDance::

Natalee Holloway Investigation Could End Soon; Prosecutors Appeal for Information
Tuesday, January 06, 2009

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico  —  Aruban prosecutors said Tuesday their investigation into the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway is nearing the end and appealed for anyone with information to come forward.

Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said his office still needs "at least another few months" to investigate statements made by the only remaining suspect, Joran van der Sloot, during a hidden-camera interview which was broadcast on Dutch television last year.

But he then said prosecutors "are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation."

"If you have relevant information — no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem — please notify my office or the police," Mos said in a statement Tuesday.

Click here for photos from the case.

Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Alabama, was last seen in May 2005 leaving a bar in the Aruban capital Oranjestad with Van der Sloot on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the island. She was 18 at the time.

No trace of Holloway has ever been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment

Aruban investigators reopened the case last year based on the hidden-camera recordings made by Dutch television crime reporter Peter R. de Vries.

But judges rejected an attempt to re-arrest Van der Sloot for statements he made on the Dutch TV show. The hidden-camera recordings showed Van der Sloot saying he was with Holloway when she died on the Dutch Caribbean island and that he had a friend dump her body at sea.

Mos, without disclosing specifics, said the TV program caused a "new stream of information" regardless of the appeals court decision blocking authorities from arresting Van der Sloot for a third time based on the statements.

"My office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results," Mos said, referring to Van der Sloot, who was last known to be living in Thailand.

In November, Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruba Prosecutors' Office, said authorities hoped to decide by the end of 2008 whether to prosecute Van der Sloot or close the case for good.

Attorneys for Van der Sloot did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment and there was no answer at his parents' home in Aruba.

Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477368,00.html

Tamikosmom wrote;


Janet

My thoughts regarding Kyle and the cage and the search of the Persistence align more closely with how you feel than some others who have recently posted here. I feel the obtaining of the cage content(s), by whom, and under the circumstances as they were ,seem not to be above reproach- and many questions remain. Information/photos/footage should have been shared immediately.

What other posters at other sites feel I am not sure. I do know I wish they were able, or wanted to come here and discuss it.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
9:45 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight Janet!Congrats to KyCat! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi KYcat!  Congratulations!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

Goodnight Janet

Replay of Greta is on if anyone missed it!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i4790a46c9905faf31599b770c2448072


ABC pilot has 'Middle' man
Neil Flynn joins Patricia Heaton in comedy
By Nellie Andreeva

Jan 7, 2009, 12:00 AM ET

 
Neil Flynn has been tapped to star opposite Patricia Heaton in ABC's comedy pilot "The Middle," while up-and-comer Amy Gumenick has been cast in the title role of Lifetime Movie Network's telefilm "The Natalee Holloway Story."

The WBTV-produced "Middle" revolves around a middle-class couple (Heaton and Flynn) in middle America who cope with the financial and emotional strain of trying to raise three kids.

Flynn, who plays the janitor on ABC's "Scrubs," is repped by APA.

"Holloway," which will be directed by Mikael Salomon, is based on the book "Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith" by Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, and chronicles Twitty's (Tracy Pollan) efforts to discover the truth about what happened to her daughter (Gumenick), who disappeared in 2005 during a senior class vacation in Aruba.

Amy Gumenick - playing the part of Natalee Holloway

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Gummick.jpg)

Well said BB. IMO

nite nite Janet.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE..NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS

Paulus's hell on earth would be to relive the moment running to his car in a major sweat! ::MonkeyDance::

To all a good night as i need a good rest for day #3 of Arrest week.What Major players is going to be arrested if any??

Accountability for The Persistence!

Goodnight KTF.

Goodnight KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::

Good night Memphis.Over and out!

I'm gone.

Sweet dreams Klaas.

Hug your shelties or other pets, and babies.  ::MonkeyWink::

O/T.Just left a link to a story from Enumclaw,Wa regarding a 2 year old girl being raised by her grandparents in the Caylee thread.State trying to take her away.Sad story.
 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Goodnight memphis!  Hugging those shelties now!   ::MonkeyCool::

Wonder where billb is.... I miss him.     


Goodnight monkeys!


 ::MonkeyCool::

Good Night TM!

Goodnight Monkeys and Guests!  ::MonkeyCool::

Big  sigh... OK, there we go!

While there was a pressconference planned this afternoon at the Algemeen Ministerie about the latest developments in the N.H. case, some interesting visitors came by at that Ministerie. As BonDia Aruba already reported yesterday, the Ministerie expects this week to be very "interesting" with a lot of speculations and possibilities about this case. Yesterday the well known detective Mark Fuhrmann was seen, who is known by the case of O.J. Simpson. He has been accused? of presenting concrete evidence at the place of the murder that time.
Fuhrmann startled everyone involved in the NH-case because he is known to appear when camera's are around. He is accompanied by Beth Twitty's lawyer, John Q Kelly who had a meeting with the Head Public Prosecutor Hans Mos yesterday.
It is interesting that Kelly himself was gathering information about the case and more specific about the investigation. Suddenly he wanted to see the recording of the program of Rene Gielen which was on the local television in the past. He asked specifically to see the recording to compare it with the notes, written at the time of the investigation.
Also Kelly talked with the Algemeen Ministerie to see tapes of the night of the disappearance of N where he had the chance to identify "Donovich" as the person with whom JvdS sold N at the night of her disappearance. There is a scene where this person appears.
So yesterday there was an informative meeting between Hans Mos and JQK where both interchanged information.  As we know the lawyer of Beth Twitty (who wasn't actually seen on Aruba yesterday) informed Mos that besides the investigation they are analyzing of the Aruban authorities, they, the lawyer and the detective, are doing their own investigation.
At the moment of this writing it is unknown whether new facts were on the American television yesterday, in particular FOXNEWS.
As we heard from the lawyer himself information gathered by Greta van Susteren via JvdS (the recording of the conversation with his father) and other information will be investigated by the Algemeen Ministerie.

So this afternoon there will be a press conference but this plan can be changed on behalf of the case. This morning the AM will decide whether the press conference will be held or not.

Thanks for translating Cageman, very interesting.
I hope you and your family are doing ok.
God Bless you.

Fascinating.........that article has that overtone of snarky passive/agressive that Renho is so practiced in, nothing new there. Fuhrmann likes TV cameras? What about Renho, she would knock over that ditzy mother of hers to get in front of a FOX camera  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas I found a hat to go with Mos' purse, the a$$hat !

Have you noticed how that "azzhat" morphs into the "head up your" azzhat?

That makes it an exclusive design for Mos.

Thank You Cageman for the Translation of the Article...God Bless You!  ::MonkeyCool::

Well, they don`t have proof because they weren`t in Germany waiting for him to arrive. I posted the little video to YT after it was broadcast on Dutch television yesterday evening.
It`s just an update and as you might well know, they always use old material to cover while they provide info.

he does mean it.
but doesn't have to power to do it as he is in a minority party in parliament.

first he has to shame and embarrass the other political parties more before action is taken. however some political parties are slowly getting closer to his party.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_51209.php

now Aruban/Antilles politicians accuse Brinkman of stealing a wine glass.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Brinkman took this not yet empty glass outside.

pathetic  ::MonkeyLaugh::

LMAO . Great move, Fantastic! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Shocking News Caesu   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks for the translation Cageman!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/090107-netherlands-antilles

Yes nonesuche, that hat has Mos' name all over it!   ::MonkeyWink::

Good morning everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090107/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_aruba_missing_teen

Thanks Bastibro.

I hope those that have doubts about what Hero Brinkman is saying are watching very closely this week.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Now you see, this is how Natalee's family was treated also!   ::MonkeyRoll::

Pathetic is a good word for it caesu! 

Thanks for the articles caesu!   ::MonkeyCool::

goodmorning there mom !

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/090107-natalee-holloway

Tell me I didn't just read THAT!    ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

This may have already been responded to, if so I apologize.

Remkes nominated Paulus to the judicial bench - not to work wtih ALE.

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/04/more-conflicts-of-interest-in-response.html

Brinkman is tip-toeing through the tulips. I wish him luck.

::MonkeyShocked::

Such a great reporter.  She tells us nothing!

I can't get the Diario website to come up right now.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/

Me either.

Could be that's why Glenda/Renfro felt like she could post about a full page article.  She knew the website was down, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

The real story here is that according to Renho, the family who found the bones preferred to call Diario rather than the police.  Just more proof the Holloway/Twitty family were right.

Can't say I blame them!
I read and re-read that quote from Renho, had coffee, re-read it again, and her sentence sounded like she was describing a bottle recycling business. Bone drop off ?

Anyway, it makes sense now. And the third cuppa helps!

Good Morning , Monkeys  ::MonkeyWink::

Good Morning Art.

Morning, San! 

Dutch Member of Parliament Vows to Root Out Corruption in Aruba
Wednesday, January 07, 2009

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Beth and Dave Holloway have not given up. We at "On the Record" have not given up, and I know you have not given up. And now a member of the Dutch parliament is joining the push for answers. Hero Brinkman, a member of the Dutch parliament, who told us the Island of Aruba is corrupt as hell. He's now in Aruba. He is demanding answers in the Natalee Holloway investigation. Mr. Brinkman joins us by phone.

Mr. Brinkman, thank you for joining us. And what happened today? ...

Transcript:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477454,00.html


January 9, 2009
'Den of Thieves'?
Dutch MP vs Corruption in Aruba.

Video:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3415554&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
8:15 PM PT

I wonder if Furhman and JQK are actually on the Island or not? 

Seems we can't believe a thing some of these Arubans or their Newsrags say.

One thing I will say for that place, though, they are consistent in their BS, lies, and coverup.

Good Morning, Janet

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!

I think what is abundantly clear after MOS'S press conference yesterday is that everyone in the world is working on the Natalee Holloway case except the Aruban ALE and OM.

(If you have any evidence or pertinent information, please submit it to the OM for disposal.  Thank you.)

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for the translations CAGEMAN, you're a big help. 

Am I understanding correctly that RG's CROCKUMENTARY has a scene depicting Joran's sale of Natalee to ADAMOVIC OR whatever name Bondia mentioned?!!!!  ::MonkeyShocked::

What a mess.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::








 

THE FABRIC

Kyle: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:  In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle:  Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current

Kyle: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.  The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson AND Hans Mos.

Kyle: Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: "The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull."

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REMINDER:

Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464

++++++++

THE ROV IMAGES

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #408 on: November 24, 2008, 03:59:08 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618
 
 
Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #410 on: November 24, 2008, 04:01:55 PM »

Photos given to the FBI sent to Dave and Robin posted on the internet are NOT the
photos posted above.  These were not given to the FBI until recently.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555621#msg555621

http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/275196/Nieuw-onderzoek-Holloway-zaak.html

Landsrecherche is doing the investigation into the initial investigation.

Can you give us a Dutch Law for Dummies refresher and explain what that means?

Klaas

Who was that poster (at scrux and BFN), that we liked, that had an arm bone in ? his desk drawer?...or something???

What happened to Rudy Croes' "First Ten Days" investigation in regards to Jan Vander Straaten's conflict of interest role?  Hans Mos failed to even touch on the topic.

Janet

here in The Netherlands we have the Rijksrecherche (The National Police Internal Investigations Department).
Landsrecherche is Aruba's Rijksrecherche.

http://www.om.nl/vast_menu_blok/english/the_national_police/

Found it:

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject:   
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378604#msg378604

Hans Mos referred questions about that to the PG Robert Pietersz.
the PG orders Landsrecherche investigations.

Thanks caesu

I should have done some catching up prior to asking the question.

Janet

Hans Mos referred questions about that to the PG Robert Pietersz.
the PG orders Landsrecherche investigations.

Can this investigation also review what the ALE says they presented to a judge vs. what the judge says was presented?  Dompig vs. Witt for the search of the house?  Will it investigate the whole idea of a coverup? or just Jan and Paulus?

Most importantly, can we trust this Aruban organization to perform an honest investigation that is not run by AHATA?

Considering Landrecherche is the Aruba Police Internal Investigations Department (Aruba) ... would this not be a conflict of interest when it is considered that the perception is that the coverup in the Natalee Holloway investigation reached far  beyond Jan Vander Straaten ... it reached to all levels of the Aruban Aministration.

My understanding is the Landrecherche has had an ongoing role in working with the ALE and investigating aspects the Natalee Holloway case and ... for 3 1/2 years has come up with zilch.

Unless the FBI are invited to investigate the Aruban investigation ... I contend it is just another Dog and Pony Show.

Janet

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3.30.2006
According to spokesperson for Public Prosecutor
Prosecutor Kruimel is conducting investigation of the facts in the case of Natalee Holloway
Where a few people were heard for two and three times
DIARIO Aruba
3/30/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Wednesday, DIARIO interviewed the spokesperson for the Public Prosecutor, drs. Mariaine Croes, and asked her the reason for her trip to Holland recently.

She said that it was true that a few weeks back she went to Holland, while Commissioner Dompig also went. She said it’s not true that she went to Holland because she is in charge of the investigation.

According drs Croes, this is not possible according to the law, because she works as a communications consultant for the Public Prosecutor. This is the function she performs and it is under this mandate that she went to Holland.

She explained that Commissioner Dompig went because he heads the police tea in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

According to drs Croes, they went to Holland because the investigative team in the case of the disappearace took the initiative to go explore the possibilities available to them, to deal with this case in the Dutch television program Opsporing Verzocht”.

She explained that although the program is in Holland, the responsibility falls on the Public Prosecutor, because the investigation is being guided by a prosecutor from the Public Prosecutor’s Office of Aruba and it is conducted by the members of the Aruba Police Force.

The program is going to make some specific questions to the members of the Aruban community, Holland and the U.S.

In this program, Dutch police is working together with the program producers and in this case, with Aruban authorities, to try to solve the case.

According to drs. Croes, via this program, they want to reach different people, not only people in Holland, but also in the U.S. and Aruba.

Given that it deals with three different cultures, the intention is to look for the most objective way to formulate the questions, in order to be able to reach all the different people, to ask them what you want to know objectively.

This program has solved many different cases, from the smallest of cases, like for example a bank robbery, to big murder cases.

DIARIO asked the spokesperson for the Public Prosecution what are the latest developments in the case of Natalee Holloway apart from the program Opsporing Verzocht.

She said that currently there’s a team that is officially called “Zoek en Vind Team”, that has come to Aruba with dogs from the K.O.P.D. Also, there are other experts in Aruba, who are also helping in the search.

DIARIO asked drs. Croes how the investigative team insisted to search in the same area that they have already searched on different occasions, the dunes near the lighthouse.

According to drs. Croes, the zones where they will search are zones that the investigation has indicated that if they have already searched, they have to search again as if they haven’t searched, to be 100% certain that they can exclude the area.

DIARIO asked the spokesperson of the Public Prosecutor if they are coming close to a conclusion of this case.

Drs Croes explained that the investigation is ongoing and while the more issues are excluded, the close they will arrive to a conclusion of the case, where the case will be closed, when they have investigated everything that they have set out to investigate.

DIARIO asked drs Croes if the Public Prosecutor was aware of the CBS program on which Commissioner Dompig appeared, which was recorded.

She said yes. DIARIO also asked if she feels the American press is looking to speak to her in regards to this case.

She said that the interest is still great, but she gives all information on the case in writing.

DIARIO also asked how the so called ‘feiten onderzoek’ (investigation into the facts) is going, to which she said that this investigation is still ongoing and it is for members of the Landsrecherche.

The members of the Landsrecherche are conducting the investigation under the guidance of prosecutor Kruimel of the Public Prosecutor.

The spokesperson said that it is important to bring forth the fact that the prosecutor who guides any feiten onderzoek, is the one who decides what information can be given to the press, etc. and at what time this can be divulged. The prosecutor indicated that the investigation is ongoing, where there are people who are being heard twice and some three times.

Posted by Getagrip at 3/30/2006 08:25:00 PM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/03/according-to-spokesperson-for-public.html

1:30pm in Aruba,on day 3 of arrest week,and still no arrest.Good Morning to all Monkey's from Seattle.I'm holding out hope that by the end of the week that a Major player will be arrested.If no arrest i think someone has some explaining to do!

KEEPTHEFAITH

If the investigation stops and ends with the conflict of interest involving  Jan and Paulus ... the implication is that Landsrecherche is playing a role is turning a blind eyes to the conflicts of interests that abound with those who participated in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... those at all levels of the Aruban/Dutch administration who contributed to the coverup ... thse in the judiciary who ruled favorable on behalf of ALL the suspects and ... those involved in the Aruba's underground economy (drugs/ alcohol/ pornograph/ sex trade/ gambling/ money laundering, etc.)

Jan Vander Straaten may begun the domino effect in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice but ... accountability implies that ALL the dominos must fall.

Janet

ALL THE DOMINO'S.Nothing more nothing less!

no sovereign country is ever going to let a foreign bureau from outside their jurisdiction investigate their police force.
imagine for a moment the FBI letting themselves investigated by a foreign bureau.
that only could happen when one country occupies another.

so the FBI is never going to be invited to investigate. maybe a supporting role, but never a leading role.
and the FBI don't even wants that. they've got enough on their hands at home.
because the next day they've got hundreds of demands to investigate other cases in foreign countries.
and rightly so because if foreign bureaus of investigation will start investigating eachother it will result in one big mess without justice ever done. endless lawsuits about jurisdictions, double jeopardy and much more.

Brinkman wants the Rijksrecherche to investigate the investigation.
that's a possible option because it is within the jurisdiction of the Kingdom.
but as of now there is not enough political support for that. but that is shifting slowly in the good direction.

CAPS followers will attempt to interpret a hidden meaning behind his words ... "A major player will be arrested this week."

Nevertheless ... CAPS has ... in all probability ... already been given a free pass by those who adhere to his every word.  Think about the date of CAPS' post.  In Tamikosmom's world "this week" would have been "last week".

I sincerely wish that I understood CAPS' hold.

Janet

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finngirl
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #635 on: January 06, 2009, 06:13:23 AM »

Reply #115 on: January 02, 2009, 02:17:45 AM

The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.

Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon.

Question: how many years did the USA took to get Gotti Convicted.?

So like a said: in colombia they call those that make information up to confuse the issues of this case a SAPO.

How can we hunt for lions while those on this net is working against the work at hand. Watch a movie is not like reading the book of the movie.

In the state the only thing that can be done right now is to pray...since those that scream the loudest are not in the field...but is try to confuse the world.

Things has happend but like I said before. A Sapo war is a lost war....

Remeber 911 ....the first attempt was that the basement, but then the media did give a whole information on how the building was done and how strong it was and where the weakest link were.....where is it now...

if we want to win we have to investigate and not pointing finger to those that are at work...

What ever kyle did and the OE did, I do not know, I was not there. I work alone with a group that can not be put at risk

What I hate the most of this site now is the way the information is twisted, but it is the same method that was use by those that made Natalee desapear, they twist the info.

If anyone to work on the case work on the case. but all that was said is said, we are not working in the future but with info that has been twisted in 2005 and need to be put back straight...

Investigate, but never assume and make thing up or cut and paste and reassamble what people said to proof your own view without knowing the real context in which that particular text was written or no even knowing what was the question to the origin of the text.

Every event in 2005 had a flow and when the truth is change, we allways will have a paradox. and I see it happend here in this forum also or should I call it SM Paradox.

Peter devries tried to put in in a movie but it does not compute, and so a lot is trying to assamble the story.

Read again what I say, how can you hunt lions without a local guide. and put your own magination those all that has tried to build a picture of this case;

and jumb the gun for some momement of sensation, they do not know the real truth, but they do not sit everyday in aruba and continue with the work at hand...all take carefully planning, and all seems to forget one thing, and that is in the question above...to know who (the corrupt Babylons) takes time, but go to war without knowing them is suicidal to all.

CAPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.100

Thanx caesu.I pray that you're right!

He posted that on Friday Janet so i will wait till the end of the week!We must always keep one eye on The Persistence! ::MonkeyCool::

morning monkey peeps!

what is this about bones?

It would be quite a confluence of events if bones started showing up this week. 

Interesting.

Wonder which bones....hip/pelvic bones, maybe?

Wouldn't that be something Lifesong?Who's fingerprints would be on that?

Klaas/Mods - could somebody please delete post 262.  I really messed up.  I apologize.

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caesu

1.  A corrupt administration investigating itself implies the whole truth is not to be forthcoming.forthcoming.

2. The Dutch have already investigated the Natalee Holloway case and ... came up with zilch.

Conflicts of interest in the Natalee Holloway case which originate with Paulus van der Sloot are far reaching in regards to the Dutch/Aruban administrations.

IF the FBI are not invited to investigate the investigation that has denied one of their own justice ... the Aruban coverup will continue.

It appears that Joran van der Sloot's defence was the catalyst that prevented Karin Janssen from complying with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber's request to turn over the Natalee Holloway case file to the FBI ... or maybe it was all an Aruban Dog and Pony Show/

Janet

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Aruba PM: Give FBI documents on missing teen U.S. agency has been assisting in investigation but without access to papers
Associated Press July 22, Updated: 8:58 p.m. ET July 22, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Aruba’s prime minister has urged investigators to give the FBI all documents related to the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, according to a letter released late Friday.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber asked in the letter to Attorney General Karin Janssen that the bureau be allowed “complete access to the dossier, including transcripts, audio tapes or video registration of interrogations, plus all materials that are connected to this case, in as much as our judicial system allows.”

FBI agents have been advising Aruban authorities in the 6-week-old investigation but have not had access to case records, said government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg.

FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said the FBI has pressed for access to the documents.

Trapenberg said Janssen had not yet responded to the government’s request. The attorney general could not immediately be reached for comment Friday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8672318/


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 184

Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
September 28, 2005

TWITTY: You know, Nancy, I really don`t know, you know, as this case has gone and how frustrating it`s been and how little information we`re allowed to get, and even now, with the FBI not even able to receive a single piece of evidence. So we`ll just have to try.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/28/ng.01.html

 
Harris Faulkner
NANCY GRACE
September 28, 2005

HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR": Well, you know, Nancy, the biggest news so far has been our exclusive interview with Joran Van Der Sloot, and that is something that Natalee`s mom had said all along that she wanted to see words from Joran. So as soon as we got that tape, we showed it to Beth. And you know, I have to say, in the watching it -- and I know you guys here have watched it on your show -- there are so many nuances in that tape and so many things that pop up that Beth then reacted to that gave us new information.

For instance, I never knew until talking with Beth this week that the FBI was never given a single document, audio or visual, in this case. And now we`ve confirmed that, and I know you have done so, too. All along, we had thought this summer, you know, maybe they were being held at bay because of Dutch or Aruban law. And then we saw the Aruban prime minister about a month ago come out and say, FBI, come on in, inviting them in, I thought in a more substantive manner. Maybe we all thought that, too. But when Beth told me, sure, there was a Dutch official who flew from Holland all the way to Quantico to share information, but didn`t leave a single thing in the hands of the FBI.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/28/ng.01.html


Defense attorneys want FBI out of Aruba
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ORANJESTAD, Aruba (10 Aug 2005) -- Defense lawyers on Wednesday appealed a judge's ruling that Aruban authorities could share information with the FBI about missing teen Natalee Holloway.

Last week, a judge struck down a motion by the defense to prohibit file sharing with the American law enforcement agency, which is acting in an advisory role in the high-profile case.

"It's not a question of having something to hide but about the legality of their (FBI) involvement," said defense lawyer David Kock.

Kock, one of three lawyers who argued the appeal Wednesday in a closed court session, said a decision was expected Monday.

FBI agents have been on the Dutch Caribbean island as observers since Holloway disappeared May 30. They were granted access to material last month at the urging of the Aruban prime minister.

Lawyers for Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch teenager who has been detained in the disappearance, and two Surinamese brothers have argued the FBI didn't have jurisdiction and shouldn't have access to the investigation.

http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050810a.html

Didn't a Dutch law school already look at this investigation and call it "insane" and incompetent or something like that?

Janet.Are you already starting to break your New Years Resolutions??It's only Jan 7th!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

So CAPS knew that there would be an arrest of a major player last Friday but ... Hans Mos was unaware of it yesterday in his press release.

Keepthefaith ... it does not make sense.

Hey ... what will be ... will be.

Have a good day my friend.

Janet

This is why I never make New Years resolutions. I can never keep them  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks caesu!

Do we know who leads the Landsrecherche?  I know it used to be Jan van der Straten....

I thought that was a Dutch Law Professor. He was on Greta one night.

'afternoon monks

Jen ~ Can you tell me if the Freebirds are still in existence, or has the entire group folded?

Also, do you and Kermit have additional information that you have not divulged regarding the cage?

Thanks, and if you cannot answer, I understand.

This is somewhat of a driveby, but I'll be back later today.
I've been studying in the Persistence thread.  ::MonkeyWink::

Maybe you missed my post so ...

Janet

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Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #408 on: January 05, 2009, 05:24:28 PM »

Tamikosmom has just negated her New Year resolutions for 2009.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 Janet
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Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #100 on: December 27, 2008, 01:12:11 AM »

1.  No more off topic.
2.  No more striving to be afforded that edit icon.
3.  Be more compromising.
4.  Refrain from posting quotes.
5.  Two hour daily limit on the SM Site.
6.  Be nice to trolls.
7.  Never bother Klaas or mods to edit my typos.
8.  Encourage Dana to invite Steve Cohen and Joe Tacopina back to his show.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg613060;topicseen#msg613060

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I saw you flirting with Robert, too.  I ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyHaHa::'d

I understand Janet.Me personally.I don't think there will be an arrest.How does Hans Mos not know?Caps?How do you know about the arrest and Hans Mos doesn't?TIA

i don't know. but it is a public prosecutor.
and Mos of course heads the public prosecution.

this Landsrecherche is only a necessary hurdle to take first, i don't expect a solution from this.
as soon as it turns out that this Landsrecherche investigation is also messed up, then the Rijksrecherche is next in line to investigate - providing there is political support for that.

the Rijksrecherche is not going to have its reputation tainted by this so i trust them to finally bring justice.
but that might still take a long while until that point.

Sorry Janet!Didn't mean to bring it up again.LOL. ::MonkeyLaugh::

memphis

I concede ... I am sooo bad.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

However ... when you consider Robert's words ... I think I could be forgiven this one transgression.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

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Anna
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #498 on: January 05, 2009, 08:23:16 PM »

Peter R deVries is a very handsome man.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg613281#msg613281


EURobert
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #501 on: January 05, 2009, 08:27:14 PM »

He's not half as handsome as I am...    ::cartwheel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.500


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #773 on: January 06, 2009, 06:13:41 PM »

Well heeeellooo Roooobert!

Did you take notice that Tamikosmom is not sitting in front of her computer in her flannel nighty and ... did you also notice that she took very special care with her hair and makeup this morning?

 ::MonkeyWink::

Janet
12:10 PM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614575;topicseen#msg614575

Hi memphis.

No - Freebirds have not folded.  There are still people there to protect what needs protecting.

I believe all of the high points surrounding the cage and its contents have been divulged - Kyle posted with us starting last March, so there are lots of posts from him.  Mostly peripheral stuff is all that's left, I believe.

But - as Monkeys start pointing out more and more things that could tie into other information Kyle gave us - I'm sure that will come forward as well.

Thanks again!!

I am surprised to learn that a prosecutor heads that up - especially since I know vd straten was in charge of it in 2005 - and he is certainly no prosecutor.

IIRC, wasn't there also a news article with statements from Dutch legal professionals?

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: No one else has access or copies of the photos or footage. All fingers point back to me when this leaks.

Isn't this one of the main functions of Interpol?  Corruption of police organizations?  They have a whole division devoted to just that.

The Bahamas often turn investigations over to the U.S. when our citizens are involved.  Case in point, the recent death of John Travolta's son Jett.

This has happened many times and with many islands in the Caribbean when there is a death of U.S. citizen.

Aruba is the only one I can remember blocking the FBI from any participation at all.  We have come to expect very different behavior from friends and allies in the region.

maybe it is something like the prosecutor manages it, and a police chief heads it.

but about Mos: i think he will pretend he is investigating for a few more months.
then in the spring he closes the case just around the time his term on Aruba is over.
then a new Dutch head prosecutor comes over and everything starts over again.

and i doubt this investigation of the investigation will bring anything to light.
but Brinkman will keep the pressure up. these threats by Rudy Croes and Brete only energized him more.
and Peter R. will make a new broadcast the coming months.
at some point, at worse it might take years, Aruba will be become a unbearable pain in the backside and something will snap and the Kingdom Cabinet will order a Rijksrecherche investigation.
then Aruba might react by breaking all ties with The Netherlands and going for full independence.

also the election on Aruba this year is interesting.
the AVP is more willing to let the Dutch (Rijksrecherche) investigate, because everything happened under MEP's (Oduber/Croes) watch.
so let's hope MEP gets beaten in the election.

Does everyone at Freebirds know exactly what happened to NH? All details that night, etc...?
Just curious...

I have no trust or faith in an Aruban or even a Dutch internal investigation.  History has a habit of repeating itself.  From my research, as far back as 1994 the Arubans (under a Royal Decree) have been "investigating" corruption on their own island.  These investigations have resulted in nothing--nada, zilch.  The only way corruption will be exposed and removed from Aruba is if an Interpol team or some other international police force leads the investigation.

From:  http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm (http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm)

2.2 Under a Royal Decree of 22 October 1994 the Interim Head of Aruban Security Service, A. Koerten, was instructed to carry out an investigation into the security and integrity of Aruba. A report on this investigation was produced on 20 April 1995, entitled Security and Integrity of Aruba: Context and Perspective.

2.3 The report was issued as top secret and was sent to a limited number of state officials and institutions, named in the report.

2.4 The report draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are Aalmost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.@ The report mentions the authors by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities.

but not investigate the investigation itself.
and Interpol only comes in on invitation.
don't think the Dutch Kingdom is going to do that before they've exhausted their own tools of investigation.
that is the Rijksrecherche. they haven't had a role yet.

also keep in mind that if a foreign team does head the investigation outside their jurisdiction the case might get dismissed in court because of unlawful (out of jurisdiction) investigation methods.
so letting a foreign bureau head the investigation might even be a ploy to have the case dismissed in court.

4.06.2006
Dutch criminal law scholars express
Big criticism about Aruban investigation in the case of Natalee Holloway
DIARIO Aruba
4/6/2006

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Dutch criminal law experts recently expressed big criticism about the Aruban police investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway
They call the investigation methods strange and unprofessional. They expressed much criticism as well about Commissioner Gerold Dompig’s behavior.

“It is incomprehensible that police, after an important tip about the location of Natalee Holloway’s body, to not go search immediately.”

This is according to a criminal law scholar of the University of Amsterdam, Menno Dolman.

The place in the dunes where they searched last week was left alone for long weeks, which could have made that important tips be lost.

It was a month after that an anonymous man called Dompig in tears with information about where the body of Natalee was buried, that authorities sprung into action.

“This is very strange”, according to a legal psychologist, Peter van Koppen. “Normally the area is closed off immediately, to dig and search for clues, but not in Aruba”.

Before police started to search, Dompig spoke openly with the press about new clues and another search which was on the way.

“Total madness”, according to a criminal law expert of the University of Leiden, Hans Nijboer. “This is a total error”.

According to Nijboer it is against all principles and illogical to bring forth details of the tips, before starting the search. Competent investigators investigate the case.

“The media is the last option for investigators”, according to Dolman. “You do not give out information that only the guilty could know.

If this happens, then it becomes very troublesome to know if the details in the declarations are authentic or if the person read this in the newspapers”.

According to the Dutch article, Dompig does not appear worried about these details. He gave details of the case easily to the press. However, the facts and the theories of which he spoke, contradict each other.

He said that he believes that Natalee perished due to an overdose of a combination of alcohol and drugs, that she consumed on the night of her disappearance.

However, in an interview with a Dutch newspaper, he said that he believes that Natalee lost her life as a victim of a criminal act (rape and murder).

According to Dolman, these two versions contradict each other. Dolman suspects that Dompig did this to keep the media at bay.

According to van Koppen, perhaps this is an investigation tactic on the part of Dompig, where he is now tapping the suspects’ conversation along with their friends and families, in order to catch something perhaps during a telephone conversation. Dolman doesn’t believe in a tactical action of such magnitude. According to Dolma, this is done for a stalled case.


// posted by Getagrip @ 4/06/2006 12:21:00 PM

I believe you are correct Anna.  And remember, we were told that Interpol, in addition to Johan Remkes, were contacted by Rudy Croes way back when to come in and investigate...

I completely agree with you.  Do you know who currently heads up the Rijksrecherche?

Other documentation and experts believe that the corruption on Aruba has been deeply entrenched for over half a decade.  Neighboring countries are well aware of this as is the Netherlands.  Over the years investigations have been conducted, but the few arrests made had more of a political impact than any effect on curbing the corruption.  Corruption and politics on Aruba, as we all know, are closely intertwined with the business of the island. 

No - I don't think so.  We have not seen any more evidence from that night than everyone else has.  Most have formed the same opinion based on the facts as to how she met her demise - but some do maintain differing opinions on that.

The series we did called In The Face of Evil details what we believe to have been the time, method, and means of the disposal of her remains the following night.  Cell phone towers played a big part in being able to put that together, along with the other facts, of course.

Those cell tower records lend very good support to the position of that cage, btw.

Anna - thank you for finding that article!

There is one significant difference this time--greater public attention and knowledge of the investigation.  In the past, investigations into corruption in Aruba were secret and buried.  They were a feeble attempt to placate and then business as usual.  Hopefully, with the media shining a light on this, it will have a different outcome, but I'm still doubtful.

Thank you AZLady.

I cannot comprehend how any who have followed the case from the getgo ... can believe for one minute that justice for Natalee Holloway is going to originate from a Dutch or Aruban investigation.  The coverup was created and has been furthered by those within the Dutch/Aruban administration and ... there is no way Holland or Aruba will allow an investigation to allow the domino effect of accountability to take place.

Janet

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OPRAH WINFREY SHOW
January 27, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY: ... we've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.
 
http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml

Edited to correct salutation from AZSunny to AZLady.

OK.I'll be the emotional,raving person for a minute.4 years.4 years.Time to stop with the BS and get something done.The Dutch Elite are covering for their own else Paulus and the gang would have been locked up long ago.If Johan Remkes put Paulus where he is at they obviously have a long relatiosnship.It's sad that it's taking Hero Brinkman from the smaller party to do something.This would of,should of,and could of been solved 4 years ago if it wasn't for the CORRUPTION in Aruba which in turn leads directly to the Netherlands.Excuses,excuses,excuses.I,for one,have had enough of the BS.4 years of complete incompetence from Aruba to the Netherlands.Let's wait for this case to make it up the chain of command 10 years later.HOW SICKENING.All for what?Porn,Drugs,Money laundering,Human trafficking.SOLVE THE CASE ALREADY!OK.I'm done for now..


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Investigation of the Police Force is not necessary
by A.M. Digital

Posted: Jul 9, 2005 18:10 UTC

ORANJESTAD - The Natalee Holloway case certainly has Aruba upside down. There is a lot of pressure on the Government and on the investigating team.

According to Eric Zaandam, president of the Police union SPA, it is unfortunate that the case has not yet been solved, but more unfortunate are the negative expressions towards the police force by amongst others the Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, and by Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

“This is to regretted because, instead of receiving support our own Government dignitaries express themselves negatively about the police” said Zaandam. “Minister Rudy Croes even mentioned that he will bring in a police team from Curaçao to investigate their colleagues in Aruba.”

Eric Zaandam wishes for the Minister of Justice to understand once and for all that the investigating team is responsible and has to report to the Public Prosecutor, and this happens all the time. The investigating team has no obligation to report to anybody else, including the Minister of Justice. The Minister may well bring any team from abroad but the Aruba Police Force will not report to any team.

Those that wish to have information will have to knock on the door at the Public Prosecutor’s office and not interrogate any member of the investigating team, according to the union leader. Minister Croes should not try to play the police forces of other islands against the Aruba police force.

SPA learned of the intentions of the Aruba Minister of Justice when they were in Surinam to commemorate 100 years of existence of the Surinam police force. Here they advised their colleague from the Netherlands Antilles not to fall in the trap of the Aruba Minister. SPA also contacted the Netherlands Antillean Police Union on the matter.

If the Aruba Minister of Justice wants information, he will have to approach the Public Prosecutor, and not accuse any member of the investigating team of leaking information. The investigating team did not commit any crime and an investigation is not necessary.

“The Aruba Police have already cooperated with all the teams that wished to help with the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, except Scotland Yard” said Zaandam.

In police circles it is already agreed that they will not collaborate with any team that comes in to investigate the investigating team of the Natalee Holloway case.

http://news.caribseek.com/set-up/exec/view.cgi?archive=72&num=16771

'when this leaks'...yet, he protests... ::MonkeyRoll::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks caesu!

I found this in a front page post, I think Robert posted it.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnl.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRijksrecherche&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_51237.php

I wonder if this investigation will be limited to the Natalee Holloway case or will it include the pervasive corruption that caused the case to be covered up?  The Holloway investigation cannot be fully investigated without examining the interrelationships that caused the coverup.  The domino effect will be so far-reaching that it will bring down the Aruban political powers and their money laundering and drug dealing financial bases.  I'm with Tamikosmom in that I just can't see the powers behind this whole island allowing for transparency in an investigation.  The corruption is too invasive, long standing, and an integral part of the politics and business of the island.  My opinion is that it is a real mess.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Rudy Croes position of Aruban Justice Minister dictates he must have been aware that there was a Paulus van der Sloot/ Johan Remkes connection when he requested Remkes to lead the Dutch investigation into the Jan Vander Sloot/ Paulus van der Sloot connection in 2006.  In other words ... the outcome of the Dutch investigation was fixed.

Think about it.  There has been no accountability of ANYBODY who participated in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... no accountability of those within the Dutch/Aruban administration involved in the coverup ... no accountability by the members of the Judiciary ... no justice for Natalee Holloway ... no closure for the family.

In 2005 Rudy Croes made it known that there was a Jan Vander Sloot/Paulus van der Sloot connection.

In 2006 Rudy Croes requested a Dutch investigation of the Natalee Holloway case under the control of Netherlands' Internal Affairs Minister Johan Remkes ... a Minister with a Paulus van der Sloot connection.

Reminder:  On January 1, 2003 ... Johan Remkes endorsed the appointment of Paulus van der Sloot to "deputy member of the common Court of Justice of the Netherlands antilles and Aruba".

In other words ... the latest developments of December, 2008 regarding a Jan Vander Straaten/ Paulus van der Sloot conflicted of interest are not developments at all.  They are flashbacks to 2005 and 2006.

I suspect that the Aruban/Dutch administrations have two agendas ...

1.  an agenda to create a distraction away from the contents of the trap/cage discovered and turned over unchallenged to the ALE by John Silvetti of the Persistence

2.  an agenda to close the Natalee Holloway case and ... in an attempt to pacify the family ...  a sacrificial lamb has been selected to take the fall.  In other words ... accountability for a compromised investigation starts and ends with Jan Vander Straaten?

Janet

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Eric Zaandam - President Police Union, Aruban television 8/28/06

Now, information are coming out that Jan v/d Straatten was indeed investigated and had telephone conversations with people about the case that he should not have contacts with, or even talk about the case.


Rudy Croes - Minister of Justice - Top 95 radio 8/28/06

Aruban Minister of Justice Mr. Rudy Croes, in relationship with the Natalee Holloway investigation, revealed a very serious information in direction of Van der Straaten.

Minister Croes revealed that he knows about various telephone calls of Van der Straaten and that he, the minister, knows with whom Van der Straaten was talking to ...

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Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee’s Freebirds

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg287560;topicseen#msg287560


AUGUST, 2006

August 26, 2006
Aruba wants Dutch police to take over Natalee case

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruban authorities want Dutch police to take over the investigation of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, who vanished on the Caribbean island more than one year ago, a local newspaper reported Friday.  Aruba's Justice Minister Rudy Croes sent a letter last week to Netherlands' Internal Affairs Minister Johan Remkes and to another Dutch official asking the Dutch police to handle the case, saying little progress had been made, the Solo di Pueblo newspaper reported.

If Dutch police take over the investigation, they will have access to all case files and their own office, according to the newspaper, which didn't cite its source. Remkes will visit the Dutch Caribbean islands, including Aruba, next week, authorities said in the Netherlands.

Telephone calls placed to Croes' office for comment Friday went unanswered.

Holloway vanished on May 30, 2005, the last night of a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Then 18, the native of Mountain Brook was last seen leaving a bar with three young men.

Authorities have arrested eight people in connection with her disappearance and then released them for lack of evidence.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,210525,00.html
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/060826/aruba.shtml


DECEMBER, 2008

Police head hindered Holloway investigation
Published: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:28 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:35 UTC

The Aruban Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has told the ANP news agency that the investigation into the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway was severely hindered in its initial stages by the island's Dutch police commissioner. Mr Croes said former commissioner Jan van de Straten did this to help his friend Paul van der Sloot, the father of the chief suspect in the US high school graduate's disappearance.

Mr Croes also said that Mr Van de Straten appeared to have made a conscious decision not to arrest Joran van der Sloot and two other suspects until ten days after Ms Holloway disappeared, even though the first few days are crucial in such an investigation. He went on to say that Mr Van de Straten and Mr Van der Sloot conducted lengthy telephone conversations after the disappearance and that the commissioner deployed a team of second-rank officers to investigate it.

Mr Croes added that a Dutch minister had asked the Aruban authorities to conceal as much as possible the fact that Joran van der Sloot was Dutch.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6079658/Claims-that-police-head-hindered-Holloway-investigation.