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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 - 1/13/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 06, 2009, 08:07:08 PM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf



JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 01:52:40 PM
I want a complete and thorough investigation into Nut's thread changing practice's.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 01:52:52 PM
Yeah, I'm with you, keepthefaith. Popcorn kitty can anxiously stuff popcorn in his mouth, but he isn't holding his breath.

He'd be BLUE popcorn kitty and then DEAD popcorn kitty.
There's always the popcorn monkey  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/thpopcorn-1.gif)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Humor.Bastibro had the stage yesterday but i think someone is gonna knock him off the stage today.Sorry Bastibro! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 01:53:12 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::

Love your enthusiasm, Nut!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 01:53:39 PM

Where is Bastibro???  When you consider his contact with Miss Piggy yesterday ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bastibro!!!  You are baaaad ... soooo baaaad.

Janet

++++++



Look who I hooked up with thanks to your phone # lead . .

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/d/d0/Kissykissy.jpg)

I couldn`t thank you more Kermie . .



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: wreck on January 09, 2009, 01:53:43 PM
We have a nice clean cage -- let's keep it that way!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 09, 2009, 01:54:22 PM

The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.

Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 09, 2009, 01:55:15 PM
I want a complete and thorough investigation into Nut's thread changing practice's.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 01:59:27 PM
I want a complete and thorough investigation into Nut's thread changing practice's.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hilarious.. ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: Ree on January 09, 2009, 02:00:08 PM
I want a complete and thorough investigation into Nut's thread changing practice's.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Well then I demand an investigation of the investigation!  (Shhh, in Aruba that means we yell loud and don't do sh!!!!!t.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 02:04:20 PM
I want a complete and thorough investigation into Nut's thread changing practice's.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Obviously ... there was a breach Keepthefaith or ... you would have not have been the first to enter the thread.  I would have assume the SM "powers that be" would have led the way to check things out.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 02:06:10 PM
We are now in day 5 of arrest week.With 8 hrs to go until the week has officially come to a close i still await the arrest of the Major player!Over the course of the week i've drank 42 cups of coffee,eaten 14 pieces of toast,4 bags of popcorn,13 sodas,3 boxes of jujube's, and will partake in a box of Chocolate Bon-Bon's at 11:45 Aruba time!There is still time left folks,so please get to the snack bar while you have a chance.It will close at 10:00pm Aruba time!Agian.I want it to be clear that in know way does this express the opinions or thought's of Scared Monkey's.Keepthefaith's own opinions and we all know about opinions.Everyone has one! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 02:07:06 PM
I want a complete and thorough investigation into Nut's thread changing practice's.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Well then I demand an investigation of the investigation!  (Shhh, in Aruba that means we yell loud and don't do sh!!!!!t.

As the delegation in Aruba would say Ree "Take that back". ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 02:11:17 PM
I want a complete and thorough investigation into Nut's thread changing practice's.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Obviously ... there was a breach Keepthefaith or ... you would have not have been the first to enter the thread.  I would have assume the SM "powers that be" would have led the way to check things out.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Nut felt sorry for me cause there hasn't been a Major arrest yet! ::MonkeyLaugh:: Only if i could earn it on my own! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 09, 2009, 02:16:55 PM
HELP my new kitten walked on my laptop and I CAN DO ALL CAPS, or all lower case but my  shift doesn't work sighhhhhhhh. what do i do


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 02:18:09 PM
We are now in day 5 of arrest week.With 8 hrs to go until the week has officially come to a close i still await the arrest of the Major player!Over the course of the week i've drank 42 cups of coffee,eaten 14 pieces of toast,4 bags of popcorn,13 sodas,3 boxes of jujube's, and will partake in a box of Chocolate Bon-Bon's at 11:45 Aruba time!There is still time left folks,so please get to the snack bar while you have a chance.It will close at 10:00pm Aruba time!Agian.I want it to be clear that in know way does this express the opinions or thought's of Scared Monkey's.Keepthefaith's own opinions and we all know about opinions.Everyone has one! ::MonkeyCool::

THE MOVIE TRAILER


The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.

Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game ... and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 02:21:47 PM
I want a complete and thorough investigation into Nut's thread changing practice's.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Well then I demand an investigation of the investigation!  (Shhh, in Aruba that means we yell loud and don't do sh!!!!!t.

As the delegation in Aruba would say Ree "Take that back". ::MonkeyDance::

That could mean words or wine glass....take your pick.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 02:22:59 PM
HELP my new kitten walked on my laptop and I CAN DO ALL CAPS, or all lower case  but my  shift doesn't work sighhhhhhhh. what do i do

1.  Depending if CAPS prophecy regarding an arrest of a major player is fulfilled ... I would suggest sticking to lower case.

2.  Keep the cat out of the computer room.


Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 02:32:09 PM
HELP my new kitten walked on my laptop and I CAN DO ALL CAPS, or all lower case but my  shift doesn't work sighhhhhhhh. what do i do

Do you see a CAPS LOCK key?  If you see it try pushing that one  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 02:33:18 PM
HELP my new kitten walked on my laptop and I CAN DO ALL CAPS, or all lower case  but my  shift doesn't work sighhhhhhhh. what do i do

1.  Depending if CAPS prophecy regarding an arrest of a major player is fulfilled ... I would suggest sticking to lower case.

2.  Keep the cat out of the computer room.


Janet

She may need a capslockwizard   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Sorry, the irony was too much  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 02:40:33 PM

Where is Bastibro???  When you consider his contact with Miss Piggy yesterday ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bastibro!!!  You are baaaad ... soooo baaaad.

Janet

++++++



Look who I hooked up with thanks to your phone # lead . .

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/d/d0/Kissykissy.jpg)

I couldn`t thank you more Kermie . .


Hi Janet, I don`t know how KTF knew but . . I was indeed making dinner for Piggy  ::MonkeyEek::
I made her a delicious spinach meal. She`s nice to me altough I must say she`s a little rough sometimes . .  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 02:42:42 PM
HELP my new kitten walked on my laptop and I CAN DO ALL CAPS, or all lower case  but my  shift doesn't work sighhhhhhhh. what do i do

1.  Depending if CAPS prophecy regarding an arrest of a major player is fulfilled ... I would suggest sticking to lower case.

2.  Keep the cat out of the computer room.


Janet

She may need a capslockwizard   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Sorry, the irony was too much  ::MonkeyCool::

LOL, well I think he will hop in soon to up-date us Monkeys . . at least I hope so ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 09, 2009, 02:45:01 PM
HELP my new kitten walked on my laptop and I CAN DO ALL CAPS, or all lower case but my  shift doesn't work sighhhhhhhh. what do i do

Do you see a CAPS LOCK key?  If you see it try pushing that one  ::MonkeyWink::
KLAAS of corse I did that gezzzzz  LOL
OK I think I fixed it test Test Test I  think their was something under it like kitty food  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 02:47:18 PM
Dutch NOS news just had an item on the Aruba/Brinkman affair


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 02:48:08 PM
HELP my new kitten walked on my laptop and I CAN DO ALL CAPS, or all lower case but my  shift doesn't work sighhhhhhhh. what do i do

Do you see a CAPS LOCK key?  If you see it try pushing that one  ::MonkeyWink::
KLAAS of corse I did that gezzzzz  LOL
OK I think I fixed it test Test Test I  think their was something under it like kitty food  ::MonkeyShocked::


Blonde ... I often call my son when something is not right with my computer and ... he tells me to "reboot" the hard drive and ... nine times out of ten ... the problem fixes itself.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 09, 2009, 02:48:48 PM
Quote
BRINKMAN UIT DELEGATIE GEZET OP ARUBA

PVV-Kamerlid Hero Brinkman is uit de parlementaire delegatie gezet die nu op de Antillen is.     

Tijdens de behandeling van de slotverklaring van het bezoek stak Brinkman een tirade af tegen Aruba. Hij is door de Nederlandse voorzitter van de delegatie, de VVD-er Willibrord van Beek, uit de delegatie en het gebouw gezet. Van Beek stelt in een verklaring dat de delegatie nadrukkelijk afstand neemt van het gedachtengoed van Brinkman.

Volgens het Arubaanse delegatielid van de partij RED, Rudy Lampe, heeft Brinkman de Arubaanse delegatie beledigd door te zeggen dat deze parlementariërs zich laten misbruiken door de Arubaanse minister van Justitie "en leugenaar" Rudy Croes.

Geert Wilders vindt het ongelooflijk dat de Nederlandse commissie zo met een van haar leden omgaat. Parlementariërs van Nederland, de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba komen elk half jaar samen in het POK. Wilders vindt dat dit overlegorgaan direct moet worden opgeheven.

In NOVA reageren Hero Brinkman en Willibrord van Beek.

Bekijk ook uitspraken van Hero Brinkman bij FOX News (YouTube, 8 januari 2009)


http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ln=nl&fuseaction=videoaudio.details&reportage_id=6613

Brinkman and Van der Beek (leader of Dutch delegation), to appear in current affairs program NOVA this evening.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 02:53:28 PM
HELP my new kitten walked on my laptop and I CAN DO ALL CAPS, or all lower case  but my  shift doesn't work sighhhhhhhh. what do i do

1.  Depending if CAPS prophecy regarding an arrest of a major player is fulfilled ... I would suggest sticking to lower case.

2.  Keep the cat out of the computer room.


Janet

She may need a capslockwizard   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Sorry, the irony was too much  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Seriously ... is everything OK now Blonde?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 09, 2009, 02:59:03 PM
Testing yes some kitty food was stuck under keys or kitty litter YUCK  ::MonkeyWaa::

Shadow is a bad boy looks he walks on Sheba too. ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Personal/wantsme.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2009, 02:59:53 PM

The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.

Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon.


Good Afternoon, Monkeys,

Just checking in to check on the condition of society today as well as the arrest of a major player.

Instead it seems Hero Brinkman has become persona non grata!

They take their wine glasses very seriously in Aruba apparently!

So the arrest has to be any minute now?

Time is running out.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 03:00:52 PM
Dutch NOS news just had an item on the Aruba/Brinkman affair

Thanks Bastibro - let us know if they say anything new!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: Blue Moon on January 09, 2009, 03:03:26 PM
Yeah, I'm with you, keepthefaith. Popcorn kitty can anxiously stuff popcorn in his mouth, but he isn't holding his breath.

He'd be BLUE popcorn kitty and then DEAD popcorn kitty.
There's always the popcorn monkey  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/thpopcorn-1.gif)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Humor.Bastibro had the stage yesterday but i think someone is gonna knock him off the stage today.Sorry Bastibro! ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas, I want that blue monkey inside of my Blue Moon!  CBB please take care of that for me.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 03:04:09 PM
Testing yes some kitty food was stuck under keys or kitty litter YUCK  ::MonkeyWaa::

Shadow is a bad boy looks he walks on Sheba too. ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Personal/wantsme.jpg)

That kitty has attitude.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 09, 2009, 03:05:40 PM
HELP my new kitten walked on my laptop and I CAN DO ALL CAPS, or all lower case but my  shift doesn't work sighhhhhhhh. what do i do

Blonde,  take the keyboard off (remove cover, unscrew the screws, pull keyboard up and see if the caplock key is stuck)  It didn't pee on it did it? ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2009, 03:06:51 PM

The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.

Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon.


Good Afternoon, Monkeys,

Just checking in to check on the condition of society today as well as the arrest of a major player.

Instead it seems Hero Brinkman has become persona non grata!

They take their wine glasses very seriously in Aruba apparently!

So the arrest has to be any minute now?

Time is running out.

.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/peek5.gif)

Just peeking in to see if they've cuffed anyone yet.........

No? It's getting curiouser and curiouser........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: Blue Moon on January 09, 2009, 03:07:24 PM

Where is Bastibro???  When you consider his contact with Miss Piggy yesterday ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bastibro!!!  You are baaaad ... soooo baaaad.

Janet

++++++



Look who I hooked up with thanks to your phone # lead . .

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/d/d0/Kissykissy.jpg)

I couldn`t thank you more Kermie . .


Hi Janet, I don`t know how KTF knew but . . I was indeed making dinner for Piggy  ::MonkeyEek::
I made her a delicious spinach meal. She`s nice to me altough I must say she`s a little rough sometimes . .  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I said you were bad yesterday, you are worse today.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2009, 03:09:31 PM
Yeah, I'm with you, keepthefaith. Popcorn kitty can anxiously stuff popcorn in his mouth, but he isn't holding his breath.

He'd be BLUE popcorn kitty and then DEAD popcorn kitty.
There's always the popcorn monkey  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/thpopcorn-1.gif)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Humor.Bastibro had the stage yesterday but i think someone is gonna knock him off the stage today.Sorry Bastibro! ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas, I want that blue monkey inside of my Blue Moon!  CBB please take care of that for me.  Thanks.

 ::MonkeyWink:: :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 03:11:48 PM
Maybe if Bastibro diseminates another compromising photo of Kermit she'll come out to banter with us Monkey's for a minute! ::MonkeyLaugh:: I've tried to calm down after the 4 cups of coffee Johan,so as not to Robo post you to insanity! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 03:14:37 PM
Maybe if Bastibro diseminates another compromising photo of Kermit she'll come out to banter with us Monkey's for a minute! ::MonkeyLaugh:: I've tried to calm down after the 4 cups of coffee Johan,so as not to Robo post you to insanity! ::MonkeyLaugh::

That's my job.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Johan.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 03:18:20 PM
Maybe if Bastibro diseminates another compromising photo of Kermit she'll come out to banter with us Monkey's for a minute! ::MonkeyLaugh:: I've tried to calm down after the 4 cups of coffee Johan,so as not to Robo post you to insanity! ::MonkeyLaugh::

That's my job.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Johan.

Janet

Haven't had any drive-by post's,bashing,slandering,arrest's,as well as any request by JAnet for an Edit-post comment so we must be doin alright so far! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Patriot on January 09, 2009, 03:18:27 PM
I guess Joe Taco defends actors who play mafia guys too!

Another loss for the Taco man!

NEW YORK —  A former actor on "The Sopranos" was sentenced Friday to 10 years in prison for a botched burglary in the Bronx in which an accomplice shot and killed an off-duty police officer.

His lawyer, Joseph Tacopina, said Brancato wanted to turn his life around.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478607,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 09, 2009, 03:18:44 PM
I see Aruba is putting ole Hero Brinkman to the test this week.  An official letter stating that Hero doesn't represent the Dutch Delegation.  I wonder if it is similar to the letter Julia received from Mos exonerating her from any involvement in Natalee's case?  Amazing how these letters pop up just when needed in Aruba.  Jerks all of them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 09, 2009, 03:19:53 PM
I guess Joe Taco defends actors who play mafia guys too!

Another loss for the Taco man!

NEW YORK —  A former actor on "The Sopranos" was sentenced Friday to 10 years in prison for a botched burglary in the Bronx in which an accomplice shot and killed an off-duty police officer.

His lawyer, Joseph Tacopina, said Brancato wanted to turn his life around.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478607,00.html

Joe doesn't have a lot of luck defending peoples does he?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 09, 2009, 03:20:41 PM
Mere your bedtime story last night cracked me up.  That is very funny!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2009, 03:20:46 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/bluemoon3.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/bluemoon3.gif


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2009, 03:24:23 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

It looks like the Monkey god, all kicked back and just watching the world! That little guy looks terrified!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 09, 2009, 03:26:49 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

It looks like the Monkey god, all kicked back and just watching the world! That little guy looks terrified!

I think it's neat!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2009, 03:27:16 PM
I'm sorry, but I just had to point out that I now have five "1's" all in a row in my post counter! Does that mean I've hit jackpot?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2009, 03:29:00 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

It looks like the Monkey god, all kicked back and just watching the world! That little guy looks terrified!

I think it's neat!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: No, you don't have control issues, huh-uh  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 03:34:09 PM
I'm sorry, but I just had to point out that I now have five "1's" all in a row in my post counter! Does that mean I've hit jackpot?

Two posts ago 11111 would have been the jackpot.

Hey ... you already received the jackpot when you were afforded the edit option.  Be thankful.  Be very very thankful

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 03:37:29 PM
I guess Joe Taco defends actors who play mafia guys too!

Another loss for the Taco man!

NEW YORK —  A former actor on "The Sopranos" was sentenced Friday to 10 years in prison for a botched burglary in the Bronx in which an accomplice shot and killed an off-duty police officer.

His lawyer, Joseph Tacopina, said Brancato wanted to turn his life around.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478607,00.html

Joe doesn't have a lot of luck defending peoples does he?  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Acually, JoeT considers this one a success because he wasn't charged with murder.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2009, 03:42:18 PM
 :2notworthy: :2notworthy: :2notworthy:

OK, OK, OK................you're right and I'm not worthy! Thank you, Oh Blue Monkey god!

 :smt107 :shocked:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 03:42:24 PM
MPs kick colleague out of Caribbean delegation
Published: Friday 09 January 2009 17:33 UTC
Last updated: Friday 09 January 2009 20:05 UTC


Dutch MPs, holding talks in Aruba with their counterparts from the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, have ejected their right-wing Freedom Party colleague Hero Brinkman from the delegation. They said his presence had become unworkable.

Shortly before the conclusion of the conference, Mr Brinkman was asked to leave the Aruban parliament building after he launched a tirade against the Aruban delegation and government, and called the Aruban justice minister Rudy Croes a liar.

At the moment, Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles are separate autonomous regions within the kingdom of the Netherlands, enjoying different degrees of self-government. The Dutch MPs and their Antillean and Aruban counterparts were meeting to discussing future state reforms in the Caribbean islands.

Before the start of the talks Mr Brinkman told US news channel Fox News that the Antilles was as "corrupt as hell". His fellow Dutch delegates issued a statement stressing they did not share his views. Mr Brinkman's comments caused the discussions to be strained, with Wednesday's session being delayed, and Thursday's being suspended for a number of hours.

The Dutch government is considering introducing registration for Caribbean youths who emigrate to the Netherlands and repeatedly get into trouble with the police. During a debate on the issue, Mr Brinkman accused the Antilles and Aruba of "sending your rubbish to the Netherlands".

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6128757/MPs-kick-colleague-out-of-Caribbean-delegation



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 03:43:16 PM
Dutch Justice Minister
denounces intimidation
THE HAGUE--Dutch Minister of Justice Ernst Hirsch Ballin denounced any form of threats against any person and stated on Tuesday that the security of Dutch Member of Parliament Hero Brinkman of the Party for Freedom PVV had his attention.

In a letter to the Chairperson of the Dutch Second Chamber, responding to questions by PVV leader and Member of Parliament (MP) Geert Wilders, the Minister said he had taken note of the quotes in various media about the threat against Brinkman by a senior government official in Aruba.

Aruba’s Chief of Protocol Eric Brete told Brinkman on Monday that he had to restrain himself not to beat up the Dutch Member of Parliament. Brinkman had called Aruba’s government “corrupt as hell” in an interview with the American TV channel FoxNews. Aruba’s Justice Minister Rudy Croes stated in response that Brinkman deserved a “smash in the face.”

Hirsch Ballin said he could not trace whether the quotes in the media were correct. But, he added, “Threatening with violence is unacceptable, no matter who voices this threat.”

Wilders had asked about protection for Brinkman who was in Aruba to attend the Parliamentary Consultation of the Kingdom POK. Hirsch Ballin said Brinkman’s security situation had his attention, but he didn’t specify how the MP would be protected.

Answering Wilders’ question whether the Dutch Government would consider demanding the resignation of Rudy Croes, to whom the PVV leader referred as a “dangerous fool,” Hirsch Ballin said the appointment or resignation of an Aruban Minister was an “internal affair.”

Hirsch Ballin explained that within the Kingdom of the Netherlands there were three autonomous countries: the Netherlands, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. The Netherlands doesn’t become involved the appointment or resignation of members of government in Aruba.

Referring to Wilders’ question about whether the Dutch Government was willing to break all ties with the Government of Aruba as long as Croes was in public office, Hirsch Ballin stated that he saw “no reason to curb Aruba’s government, let alone break the relations.” He also distanced himself from the words “dangerous fool” and “mafia government” as expressed by Wilders.


http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/l197/answer197.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on January 09, 2009, 03:43:48 PM
Hi monkeys,

Well, I don't expect anyone to get "cuffed" due to actions of Aruba OM.  :smt015

As Wreck mentioned yesterday, Joran could get picked up in the Netherlands again, or wherever he's hiding this week.

I'm hoping he's opened himself and his daddy up to some international jurisdiction due to his kidnapping and country-to-country trafficking admission.  Just because Hans Mos doesn't find enough reason to go after him, doesn't mean nobody else does.  Maybe Luke blabbed.   Maybe Adamovic telephoned the FBI. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hope JQK pursues that angle.

Well, I can hope. ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 03:45:43 PM
Fresh blood

After the usual slow local news period during the holidays things are again heating up, starting with the tripartite Kingdom parliamentary talks in Aruba and the antics of right-wing Dutch politician Hero Brinkman. His provocative comments on the Aruban Holloway investigation before American television regrettably managed to spark the kind of reaction and media attention he was undoubtedly seeking in his continuous quest to score with the electorate back home at the expense of the islands, but at least the meeting was not called off altogether.

That gave National Alliance (NA) leader William Martin the opportunity to strongly speak out against the apparent desire of Dutch Members of Parliament to make St. Maarten a public entity of the Netherlands like the future BES islands Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba, against all agreements made at the government level so far. They were rightfully reminded that while a majority on the latter three islands had voted to be part of the Netherlands, that was not the case in St. Maarten and Curaçao, both of which opted to become autonomous countries in the Dutch Kingdom; a democratic choice that must be respected.

Meanwhile, as the Laveist saga continues to affect the St. Maarten Democratic Party (DP) governing at the island level, the NA as part of the Antillean Government finally replaced its former state secretary who had resigned due to an investigation into missing funds at her former workplace. The sending of George Pantophlet to Willemstad as State Secretary most probably also means a relatively new and young face in politics, that of Patrick Illidge, will enter the Island Council for the first time.

That is a refreshing thought and should stimulate local youngsters who want to enter politics, but may be concerned they won’t get much of a chance from “the old guard.” Expectations will be high for the “rookie” councilman and hopefully he will fulfil them in a satisfactory manner to the best of his ability so that he inspires others to not just stand on the sidelines and criticise active politicians, but instead become involved, actually carry political responsibility and try to do something to improve matters.

This newspaper in any case wishes him great success in achieving that goal if he is indeed nominated, and hopes the introduction of some “fresh blood” into the highest elected body of the island helps to increase the level of debate and of the Island Council in general.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/l197/edit197.html





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 09, 2009, 03:46:26 PM
:2notworthy: :2notworthy: :2notworthy:

OK, OK, OK................you're right and I'm not worthy! Thank you, Oh Blue Monkey god!

 :smt107 :shocked:

I like my Moon Goddess.  The all-knowing, see-all  Moon Monkey Goddess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 03:52:20 PM
Links to the above articles were just emailed to me by my youngest son's Dutch American FIL.

They may be reposts that have already been submitted to the other thread.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: johan555 on January 09, 2009, 04:02:38 PM
nova is about brinkman and Aruba

for bassie etc


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 09, 2009, 04:04:12 PM
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #902 on: Today at 10:15:01 AM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.900

1. Actually, I believe the Freebirds contacted Kyle first and it was about the time the search was over. Jen posted a response with Kyle's email TO The Freebirds

2. The last thing I heard was that Beth didn't want the Freebirds to release any negative comments about the Persistence. If you read through my posts, you'll see you are mis-informed.

3. Actually Kyle said he "thought" they were human remains. Afterall, he only had the same photos that we all were looking at, so it was Kyle's opinion only. Incorrect.

Kyle said: "The possibility exists that they revisited the cage and did a site sweep, sampling more items including human remains around the 12th of Jan when I witnessed the Dutch Coast Guard on the site two days in a row."

AND
Kyle said:
Human remains were found
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700

AND Kyle said it here:

I never said there were no human remains.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360330#msg360330

AND HERE

If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


4. We have never heard Tim Miller's side of when and why he left the Persistence. I received a very nice thank you letter from Tim for my donation to the Persistence's search for Natalee a couple of weeks after Tim "abruptly" left.
color=red] I think the point is ONLY ARUBA DIVERS came and retrieved the evidence and left. NOT why Tim Miller left. We only know what Kyle said that John told him that Tim was a "liability".[/color]

5. I think Kermit's words are all out of context. It reminds me of the same liberal tactics that were used to remove a republican president from office.  lol

So you think this was taken out of context?

Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kyle: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

Kyle: neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.


Perhaps a phone call to Peter de Vries, or Peter Shouten by you would clear up whether Kermit has "taken out of context" Kyle's own words.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 09, 2009, 04:05:53 PM
Keeping the Faith

is that you in the photo of the Seattle paper?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 04:10:38 PM
Keeping the Faith

is that you in the photo of the Seattle paper?



No!The Seattle Times website had a photo of the Snoqualmie valley which is where one of our stores is located.Duvall,Wa.Duvall is like an island currently due to flooding.From the naked eye you can't locate the store but it is up to the right along with all the other Homes..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 04:15:11 PM
Keeping the Faith

is that you in the photo of the Seattle paper?



No!The Seattle Times website had a photo of the Snoqualmie valley which is where one of our stores is located.Duvall,Wa.Duvall is like an island currently due to flooding.From the naked eye you can't locate the store but it is up to the right along with all the other Homes..

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/photogalleries/localnews2008604825/29.html

Don't know if i copied and pasted right but this is the photograph!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 04:16:09 PM
I see Aruba is putting ole Hero Brinkman to the test this week.  An official letter stating that Hero doesn't represent the Dutch Delegation.  I wonder if it is similar to the letter Julia received from Mos exonerating her from any involvement in Natalee's case?  Amazing how these letters pop up just when needed in Aruba.  Jerks all of them.

I agree Blue Moon, when you are being to honest there and disturb their little cozy theeparty, you`re not welcome anymore. No discussion possible ::MonkeyNoNo::
IMO Brinkman did a marvelous job in bringing their corrupt minds to light!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 04:18:12 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

It looks like the Monkey god, all kicked back and just watching the world! That little guy looks terrified!

Blue Monkey Angel watching over us  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 04:20:54 PM
nova is about brinkman and Aruba

for bassie etc


Thanks Johan, i`ll tape it ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 04:32:15 PM
We're down to 6 1/2 hrs in the suspense filled week of the arrest of the Major player!It's 5:30pm in Aruba and still no word out of the Happy Island(NOT) about an arrest involving any of the Major players in the case.We still have 6 1/2 hrs let so get your bag of popcorn and find your place on the couch!

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 09, 2009, 04:34:09 PM
I see Aruba is putting ole Hero Brinkman to the test this week.  An official letter stating that Hero doesn't represent the Dutch Delegation.  I wonder if it is similar to the letter Julia received from Mos exonerating her from any involvement in Natalee's case?  Amazing how these letters pop up just when needed in Aruba.  Jerks all of them.

I agree Blue Moon, when you are being to honest there and disturb their little cozy theeparty, you`re not welcome anymore. No discussion possible ::MonkeyNoNo::
IMO Brinkman did a marvelous job in bringing their corrupt minds to light!

Oh Brinkman did do a fantastic job in openly expressing his views on the corruption in the Antilles but unless he gets more on board Aruba will skate this issue also.  They are very good at that.  Did you see Brinkman on Greta the other night?  I thought he expressed himself very well and he did make a promise to pursue this so-called investigation and also promised not to desert us.  He seems very sincere but he needs more in the Dutch government to support him and I don't think he is there yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: SS on January 09, 2009, 04:58:36 PM

My advise is if you don't like it here get the F out. But do it with some dignity.  This CRAP needs to stop and stop now.  Anyone who was here when XXXXXXX 'lost it' knows what went on...I SAW with my own eyes in REAL TIME what he did to Anna....I SAW IT....and him now being a MOD on XXXXXXX and XXXXXX board is very telling to me. I have nothing against either ladies, except saying I would have thought that each of them would NOT allow some of the posting that have come from their private board...SHAME ON YOU BOTH!!!....XXXXXXXXX is a liar and a very sick little man IMO and anyone posting over there needs to be very careful with your daughters and personal information....



 ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2009, 05:02:59 PM
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/09/road-trip-start-guessing/


Greta says she is going on a road trip but doesn't say where.

She shows photo of the White House and says that is a clue but since she lives in D.C. does not mean she is going there.

I was hoping it was to Aruba but the White House would indicate not I guess.

We need to BOLO for where she is going in case it is to Aruba.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 05:05:11 PM
Brinkman was doing superb on NOVA tonight, but said nothing about Natalee`s case unfortunately.
He was talking about Rudy, who told everybody he was in the States for family visits, while they all did find out he has not leaved evil island. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Thats why he called Rudy a liar and a coward to . . they didn`t like that so they kicked him out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2009, 05:07:11 PM
bastibro,

Who exactly kicked Brinkman out?  The Arubans or the Dutch?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 09, 2009, 05:08:16 PM
Brinkman was doing superb on NOVA tonight, but said nothing about Natalee`s case unfortunately.
He was talking about Rudy, who told everybody he was in the States for family visits, while they all did find out he has not leaved evil island. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Thats why he called Rudy a liar and a coward to . . they didn`t like that so they kicked him out.

All Hero has to do (as far as I am concerned) is expose Aruba for what they are and then maybe the rest of the international world will fall into line.  Making Natalee international news would go a long way in helping bring her case before an international court for prosecution or review even.  I don't even know if it could be handled by an international tribunal but it looks like this is the last hope for Beth and Dave.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 05:13:41 PM
KYLE KINGMAN - HUMAN REMAINS WERE FOUND

ocean exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #701 on: March 18, 2008, 03:03:52 PM »


t's impossible to tell with any precision, but we are in agreement that the trap was not recently dropped at the time of it's discovery.  By recent, I mean disposed the same season as when it was found.  From the level of marine growth and decomposition of the trap's rigging, tubular metal frame, and square coated wire mesh, the time involved would be on the order of years, but not 10s of years.  Neither the condition of the trap or state of the items found inside the trap preclude a disposal at or near the time of Natalee's disappearance.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700


ocean exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #709 on: March 18, 2008, 03:11:50 PM »


As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI:
The contents of the trap were being actively investigated.  The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample.  Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case.  The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700


REMINDER:

Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 05:15:24 PM
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ocean exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #701 on: March 18, 2008, 03:03:52 PM »


t's impossible to tell with any precision, but we are in agreement that the trap was not recently dropped at the time of it's discovery.  By recent, I mean disposed the same season as when it was found.  From the level of marine growth and decomposition of the trap's rigging, tubular metal frame, and square coated wire mesh, the time involved would be on the order of years, but not 10s of years.  Neither the condition of the trap or state of the items found inside the trap preclude a disposal at or near the time of Natalee's disappearance.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700


ocean exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #709 on: March 18, 2008, 03:11:50 PM »


As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI:
The contents of the trap were being actively investigated.  The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample.  Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case.  The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700


REMINDER:

Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464


But the Kyle's words don't matter Janet! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: blah on January 09, 2009, 05:21:22 PM
KYLE KINGMAN - HUMAN REMAINS WERE FOUND

ocean exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #701 on: March 18, 2008, 03:03:52 PM »


t's impossible to tell with any precision, but we are in agreement that the trap was not recently dropped at the time of it's discovery.  By recent, I mean disposed the same season as when it was found.  From the level of marine growth and decomposition of the trap's rigging, tubular metal frame, and square coated wire mesh, the time involved would be on the order of years, but not 10s of years.  Neither the condition of the trap or state of the items found inside the trap preclude a disposal at or near the time of Natalee's disappearance.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700


ocean exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #709 on: March 18, 2008, 03:11:50 PM »


As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI:
The contents of the trap were being actively investigated.  The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample.  Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case.  The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700


REMINDER:

Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464


I NEVER SAW THAT QUOTE BEFORE!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 05:21:26 PM
Brinkman was doing superb on NOVA tonight, but said nothing about Natalee`s case unfortunately.
He was talking about Rudy, who told everybody he was in the States for family visits, while they all did find out he has not leaved evil island. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Thats why he called Rudy a liar and a coward to . . they didn`t like that so they kicked him out.

All Hero has to do (as far as I am concerned) is expose Aruba for what they are and then maybe the rest of the international world will fall into line.  Making Natalee international news would go a long way in helping bring her case before an international court for prosecution or review even.  I don't even know if it could be handled by an international tribunal but it looks like this is the last hope for Beth and Dave.

It`s not possible to bring this to an International court i`m sure but I am certain that the truth of what happened to Natalee and who is responsable will be brought to light.
I don `t know when, i think within a year, but i am convinced justice will prevail for our girl and her mom and dad!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 09, 2009, 05:24:51 PM
HELP my new kitten walked on my laptop and I CAN DO ALL CAPS, or all lower case but my  shift doesn't work sighhhhhhhh. what do i do

Do you see a CAPS LOCK key?  If you see it try pushing that one  ::MonkeyWink::
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 05:31:31 PM
I see Aruba is putting ole Hero Brinkman to the test this week.  An official letter stating that Hero doesn't represent the Dutch Delegation.  I wonder if it is similar to the letter Julia received from Mos exonerating her from any involvement in Natalee's case?  Amazing how these letters pop up just when needed in Aruba.  Jerks all of them.

I agree Blue Moon, when you are being to honest there and disturb their little cozy theeparty, you`re not welcome anymore. No discussion possible ::MonkeyNoNo::
IMO Brinkman did a marvelous job in bringing their corrupt minds to light!

I agree Bastibro! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 09, 2009, 05:41:49 PM
Brinkman was doing superb on NOVA tonight, but said nothing about Natalee`s case unfortunately.
He was talking about Rudy, who told everybody he was in the States for family visits, while they all did find out he has not leaved evil island. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Thats why he called Rudy a liar and a coward to . . they didn`t like that so they kicked him out.

All Hero has to do (as far as I am concerned) is expose Aruba for what they are and then maybe the rest of the international world will fall into line.  Making Natalee international news would go a long way in helping bring her case before an international court for prosecution or review even.  I don't even know if it could be handled by an international tribunal but it looks like this is the last hope for Beth and Dave.

It`s not possible to bring this to an International court i`m sure but I am certain that the truth of what happened to Natalee and who is responsable will be brought to light.
I don `t know when, i think within a year, but i am convinced justice will prevail for our girl and her mom and dad!

I sure hope you are right.  They do deserve to know what happened to their daughter and Natalee's remains need to be return to her family so she can rest in peace in her homeland of the United States.  Even if justice is not forthcoming SHE still deserves to be returned home to her family.

Got to run for the night.  Company is hosting a dinner and PARTY TIME tonight.  They sure do love to party.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 05:56:37 PM
Tick-Tock,Tick-Tock,Tic-Tock!7:00pm in Aruba.We have 5hrs left.Any information on an arrest? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 09, 2009, 06:04:18 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 09, 2009, 06:06:09 PM
Tick-Tock,Tick-Tock,Tic-Tock!7:00pm in Aruba.We have 5hrs left.Any information on an arrest? ::MonkeyCool::

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)   :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 06:07:07 PM
(http://bestsmileys.com/frustrated/7.gif) (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

O'Lord.I may just pee myself from laughing so hard! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 06:07:15 PM
ASSISTING IN THE FURTHERANCE OF THE ARUBAN COVERUP

KYLE KINGMAN - SCARED MONKEY SITE

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM
»

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857


PRIVATE EYE - SCARED MONKEY SITE

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM
»

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


JOHN SILVETTI - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS' SITE

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.  He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast.

John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further.

After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 06:08:42 PM
ASSISTING IN THE FURTHERANCE OF THE ARUBAN COVERUP

KYLE KINGMAN - SCARED MONKEY SITE

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM
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We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM
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If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


JOHN SILVETTI - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS' SITE

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.  He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast.

John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further.

After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Private Eye

"The effort was superb, but the game was fixed."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 09, 2009, 06:08:57 PM
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #932 on: Today at 11:17:27 AM »  

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Quote from: CBB on Today at 11:10:28 AM
Quote from: caesu on Today at 11:04:34 AM
Brinkman called Rudy Croes a liar.
and then refused to take those words back.

then he was thrown out of the delegation.

http://www.nos.nl/nos/artikelen/2009/01/art000001C97277AF01E69F.html


caesu? Help out an uninformed monkey here, please? What exactly are the ramifications of getting thrown out of the delegation?


Brinkman can't participate anymore in the debates between the Dutch, Aruban and Antilles delegations.
but today was the last day of those debates anyway.

but it's kind of un-democratic to bar a representative (Brinkman) from those debates.
so i expect some outrage about this from Brinkman and from Brinkman's party back in The Netherlands.

This is solidifying his position. Only makes them look like bigger jackasses.
Denying transparency only shows the hidden corruption.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 06:12:49 PM
(http://bestsmileys.com/frustrated/7.gif) (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 06:15:37 PM
I see you Wingnut! ::MonkeyDance:: Are you coming to enjoy the suspense filled arrest week Finale?Just Kidding.Hope all is well!Hey klaas!Wingnut needs a chair and bag of popcorn! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 06:15:45 PM
Keepthefaith

If CAPS was right and ... a major player in the Natalee Holloway case was arrested ... you and I were willing to eat Crow Pie and ... stick our heads in the sand once we got through digging through two feet of snow.  Therefore ... I think it is only fair that CAPS is willing to eat Crow Pie and ... stick his head in the sand ... if there is no arrest.

CAPS is fortunate ... there is no two feet of snow in Aruba to dig through to reach the sand.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wingnut on January 09, 2009, 06:15:57 PM
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #902 on: Today at 10:15:01 AM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.900

1. Actually, I believe the Freebirds contacted Kyle first and it was about the time the search was over. Jen posted a response with Kyle's email TO The Freebirds

2. The last thing I heard was that Beth didn't want the Freebirds to release any negative comments about the Persistence. If you read through my posts, you'll see you are mis-informed.

3. Actually Kyle said he "thought" they were human remains. Afterall, he only had the same photos that we all were looking at, so it was Kyle's opinion only. Incorrect.

Kyle said: "The possibility exists that they revisited the cage and did a site sweep, sampling more items including human remains around the 12th of Jan when I witnessed the Dutch Coast Guard on the site two days in a row."

AND
Kyle said:
Human remains were found
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700

AND Kyle said it here:

I never said there were no human remains.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360330#msg360330

AND HERE

If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


4. We have never heard Tim Miller's side of when and why he left the Persistence. I received a very nice thank you letter from Tim for my donation to the Persistence's search for Natalee a couple of weeks after Tim "abruptly" left.
color=red] I think the point is ONLY ARUBA DIVERS came and retrieved the evidence and left. NOT why Tim Miller left. We only know what Kyle said that John told him that Tim was a "liability".[/color]

5. I think Kermit's words are all out of context. It reminds me of the same liberal tactics that were used to remove a republican president from office.  lol

So you think this was taken out of context?

Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kyle: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

Kyle: neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.


Perhaps a phone call to Peter de Vries, or Peter Shouten by you would clear up whether Kermit has "taken out of context" Kyle's own words.






Curious, but why is it that those who claim that "Kyle's words are taken out of context" WERE NOT THERE to witness the sequence of events, but those who WERE THERE do not?????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 06:18:27 PM
Keepthefaith

If CAPS was right and ... a major player in the Natalee Holloway case was arrested ... you and I were willing to eat Crow Pie and ... stick our heads in the sand once we got through digging through two feet of snow.  Therefore ... I think it is only fair that CAPS is willing to eat Crow Pie and ... stick his head in the sand ... if there is no arrest.

CAPS is fortunate ... there is no two feet of snow in Aruba to dig through to reach the sand.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

I'd have to hold my breath to get through the water,to the sand,just to bury me head down here in Seattle!I'm fine where i'm at but the outer valleys are hit pretty hard!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wingnut on January 09, 2009, 06:24:38 PM
I see you Wingnut! ::MonkeyDance:: Are you coming to enjoy the suspense filled arrest week Finale?Just Kidding.Hope all is well!Hey klaas!Wingnut needs a chair and bag of popcorn! ::MonkeyLaugh::


 :smt039

Howdy, Keepthefaith!  Thanks for arranging the munchies!  Yes, I am waiting with baited breasts for the arrest announcement. 

(http://www.friday-fun.com/files/smilies/cow.gif)


.........for my Birdie buddies........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 06:26:45 PM
I see you Wingnut! ::MonkeyDance:: Are you coming to enjoy the suspense filled arrest week Finale?Just Kidding.Hope all is well!Hey klaas!Wingnut needs a chair and bag of popcorn! ::MonkeyLaugh::


 :smt039

Howdy, Keepthefaith!  Thanks for arranging the munchies!  Yes, I am waiting with baited breasts for the arrest announcement. 

(http://www.friday-fun.com/files/smilies/cow.gif)


.........for my Birdie buddies........



OMG.And your the shy one? ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 06:27:23 PM
bastibro,

Who exactly kicked Brinkman out?  The Arubans or the Dutch?

The Dutch parliamentarians asked the Arubans for a break and removed Brinkman from the delegation.
He clearly disturbed their cozy thee party . .

When the hostess of NOVA asked delegation leader van Beek why Brinkman was removed from the delegation, he stated,: well we have had a very restless week . .

What was the *ssh*le thinking,: he spoiled our little friendly Aruban vacation? ::MonkeyConfused::
These softy bureaucrats ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wingnut on January 09, 2009, 06:28:54 PM
I see you Wingnut! ::MonkeyDance:: Are you coming to enjoy the suspense filled arrest week Finale?Just Kidding.Hope all is well!Hey klaas!Wingnut needs a chair and bag of popcorn! ::MonkeyLaugh::


 :smt039

Howdy, Keepthefaith!  Thanks for arranging the munchies!  Yes, I am waiting with baited breasts for the arrest announcement. 

(http://www.friday-fun.com/files/smilies/cow.gif)


.........for my Birdie buddies........



OMG.And your the shy one? ::MonkeyLaugh::


I think not!  LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2009, 06:29:43 PM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Are we counting down yet, Monkeys? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Arrest-Week.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 06:31:21 PM

Curious, but why is it that those who claim that "Kyle's words are taken out of context" WERE NOT THERE to witness the sequence of events, but those who WERE THERE do not?????


I agree wingnut.  Kyle Kingman was there!  He knows!

The only reason that I can comprehend why the Persistence undertaking is upheld following the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words is ... some must have a John Silvetti connection.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 06:32:34 PM
Tick-Tock,Tick-Tock,Tic-Tock!7:00pm in Aruba.We have 5hrs left.Any information on an arrest? ::MonkeyCool::

Didn`t i tell you yesterday?? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2009, 06:35:09 PM
I see you Wingnut! ::MonkeyDance:: Are you coming to enjoy the suspense filled arrest week Finale?Just Kidding.Hope all is well!Hey klaas!Wingnut needs a chair and bag of popcorn! ::MonkeyLaugh::


 :smt039

Howdy, Keepthefaith!  Thanks for arranging the munchies!  Yes, I am waiting with baited breasts for the arrest announcement. 

(http://www.friday-fun.com/files/smilies/cow.gif)

Awwww,
My Great Grandmother had a pair just like that.

Earrings!!


.........for my Birdie buddies........




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2009, 06:37:15 PM
bastibro,

Who exactly kicked Brinkman out?  The Arubans or the Dutch?

The Dutch parliamentarians asked the Arubans for a break and removed Brinkman from the delegation.
He clearly disturbed their cozy thee party . .

When the hostess of NOVA asked delegation leader van Beek why Brinkman was removed from the delegation, he stated,: well we have had a very restless week . .

What was the *ssh*le thinking,: he spoiled our little friendly Aruban vacation? ::MonkeyConfused::
These softy bureaucrats ::MonkeyNoNo::





Well, that's what I thought but was hoping I misunderstood the translation. 

Bummer.

I don't think it is good that it was the Dutch who did this.  Doesn't bode well for Hero Brinkman's chances of convincing them to actually do anything.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/th0231.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 06:38:10 PM
Tick-Tock,Tick-Tock,Tic-Tock!7:00pm in Aruba.We have 5hrs left.Any information on an arrest? ::MonkeyCool::

Didn`t i tell you yesterday?? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Bastibro must be done with his late night snack with Miss Piggy! ::MonkeyLaugh:: I think maybe Bastibro can bring the frog back out with some more compromising pictures.The tabloids would offer big $$$$$ for Kermit's photos! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 06:40:39 PM

Curious, but why is it that those who claim that "Kyle's words are taken out of context" WERE NOT THERE to witness the sequence of events, but those who WERE THERE do not?????


I agree wingnut.  Kyle Kingman was there!  He knows!

The only reason that I can comprehend why the Persistence undertaking is upheld following the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words is ... some must have a John Silvetti connection.

IMO

Janet

But,but,but Janet!Kyle is making things up! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 06:41:11 PM
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Are we counting down yet, Monkeys? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Arrest-Week.gif)

BUMP ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 09, 2009, 06:42:24 PM

Curious, but why is it that those who claim that "Kyle's words are taken out of context" WERE NOT THERE to witness the sequence of events, but those who WERE THERE do not?????


I agree wingnut.  Kyle Kingman was there!  He knows!

The only reason that I can comprehend why the Persistence undertaking is upheld following the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words is ... some must have a John Silvetti connection.

IMO

Janet

But,but,but Janet!Kyle is making things up! ::MonkeyLaugh::
"Damn the TRUTH.......Full Speed Ahead!!!  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2009, 06:42:42 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 06:42:48 PM
Tick-Tock,Tick-Tock,Tic-Tock!7:00pm in Aruba.We have 5hrs left.Any information on an arrest? ::MonkeyCool::

Didn`t i tell you yesterday?? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Bastibro must be done with his late night snack with Miss Piggy! ::MonkeyLaugh:: I think maybe Bastibro can bring the frog back out with some more compromising pictures.The tabloids would offer big $$$$$ for Kermit's photos! ::MonkeyDance::

Compromising pictures . . now let me see . .  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2009, 06:45:09 PM
Compromising pictures?

You'll have to go a ways to top the cow, bastibro.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 09, 2009, 06:47:17 PM
Wingnut - I've missed those baited breasts!

And it is Friday after all!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 06:48:54 PM
Compromising pictures?

You'll have to go a ways to top the cow, bastibro.

Yeah, think i cannot win this one ::MonkeyHaHa::

It must be unexpected ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 06:50:59 PM
Compromising pictures?

You'll have to go a ways to top the cow, bastibro.

Yeah, think i cannot win this one ::MonkeyHaHa::

It must be unexpected ::MonkeyWink::

We'll look forward to what you'll come up with! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wingnut on January 09, 2009, 06:51:22 PM
Wingnut - I've missed those baited breasts!

And it is Friday after all!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyTongue::


I knew you'd get a laugh out of that!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 06:58:26 PM
Let`s post a real Free Bird . . The Holy Spirit

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/TheHolySpirit.gif)

. . in whom she is Blessed


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wingnut on January 09, 2009, 07:01:37 PM
Let`s post a real Free Bird . . The Holy Spirit

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/TheHolySpirit.gif)

. . in whom she is Blessed


Nice.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 07:05:40 PM
Don't mess with miss piggie  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/k2fwQX5jwm3HKuh6gt&related=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 07:06:17 PM
Let`s post a real Free Bird . . The Holy Spirit

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/TheHolySpirit.gif)

. . in whom she is Blessed


Nice.  Thanks!

You out did yourself Bastibro! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 07:06:23 PM
Let`s post a real Free Bird . . The Holy Spirit

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/TheHolySpirit.gif)

. . in whom she is Blessed

Very nice Bastibro


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: always 1 on January 09, 2009, 07:09:37 PM
Let`s post a real Free Bird . . The Holy Spirit

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/TheHolySpirit.gif)

. . in whom she is Blessed

Very nice Bastibro
Thats beautiful.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 07:09:40 PM
Don't mess with miss piggie  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/k2fwQX5jwm3HKuh6gt&related=1

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 07:14:00 PM
Don't mess with miss piggie  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/k2fwQX5jwm3HKuh6gt&related=1

I would appreciate if you don`t insult my girlfriend Klaas ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 09, 2009, 07:16:18 PM

(snipped)
Curious, but why is it that those who claim that "Kyle's words are taken out of context" WERE NOT THERE to witness the sequence of events, but those who WERE THERE do not?????

In the long time I have been reading and posting about Natalee's disappearance I have found that not being present at the time, or even bothering to enquire about the truth of the circumstances, has ever prevented some posters from forming an opinion on all manner of dubious statements.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 07:24:04 PM
Don't mess with miss piggie  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/k2fwQX5jwm3HKuh6gt&related=1

I would appreciate if you don`t insult my girlfriend Klaas ::MonkeyNoNo::

I give Miss Piggy kudos.  I say ... whatever it take to defend off those whose intentions are not honorable.

Beware bastibro!!!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 07:36:50 PM
We are down to 3 1/2 hrs until the clock strikes twelve and the ball is dropped in Aruba!Any news on the arrest of the Major player Monkey's?Anyone from any hidey-hole heard anything?My Chocolate Bon-Bon's are in the freezer for the final countdown ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 07:38:24 PM
Let`s post a real Free Bird . . The Holy Spirit

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/TheHolySpirit.gif)

. . in whom she is Blessed


John 16:7-8

 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter (Holy Spirit) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you. And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2009, 07:39:48 PM
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/09/corrupt-as-hell/


Oh, wow!  They even put it in writing.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 07:49:50 PM
Let`s post a real Free Bird . . The Holy Spirit

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/TheHolySpirit.gif)

. . in whom she is Blessed


John 16:7-8

 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter (Holy Spirit) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you. And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment."


Wow Janet, AMEN!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 07:50:23 PM
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/09/corrupt-as-hell/


Oh, wow!  They even put it in writing.




Yes, someone posted it on the last thread, earlier today while you were working.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 07:50:47 PM
We are down to 3 1/2 hrs until the clock strikes twelve and the ball is dropped in Aruba!Any news on the arrest of the Major player Monkey's?Anyone from any hidey-hole heard anything?My Chocolate Bon-Bon's are in the freezer for the final countdown ::MonkeyDance::

I will spending part of the countdown learning to play chess from my 10 year old grandson.  I hope I am a good student.  This is one game I have never had an interest in learning.  However ... I just played "rock, paper, sissors" with him.  I lost.  If I won ... he would be playing Scrabble with me.

Later, Monkeys

Janet
4:45 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 07:52:12 PM
We are down to 3 1/2 hrs until the clock strikes twelve and the ball is dropped in Aruba!Any news on the arrest of the Major player Monkey's?Anyone from any hidey-hole heard anything?My Chocolate Bon-Bon's are in the freezer for the final countdown ::MonkeyDance::

I will spending part of the countdown learning to play chess from my 10 year old grandson.  I hope I am a good student.  This is one game I have never had an interest in learning.  However ... I just played "rock, paper, sissors" with him.  I lost.  If I won ... he would be playing Scrabble with me.

Later, Monkeys

Janet
4:45 PM PT

Have fun Janet.I will stay till the end!!!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 07:52:49 PM
We are down to 3 1/2 hrs until the clock strikes twelve and the ball is dropped in Aruba!Any news on the arrest of the Major player Monkey's?Anyone from any hidey-hole heard anything?My Chocolate Bon-Bon's are in the freezer for the final countdown ::MonkeyDance::

I will spending part of the countdown learning to play chess from my 10 year old grandson.  I hope I am a good student.  This is one game I have never had an interest in learning.  However ... I just played "rock, paper, sissors" with him.  I lost.  If I won ... he would be playing Scrabble with me.

Later, Monkeys

Janet
4:45 PM PT

Good luck....I wasn't a good chess student many years ago, and haven't tried since.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 07:56:21 PM
We are down to 3 1/2 hrs until the clock strikes twelve and the ball is dropped in Aruba!Any news on the arrest of the Major player Monkey's?Anyone from any hidey-hole heard anything?My Chocolate Bon-Bon's are in the freezer for the final countdown ::MonkeyDance::

I will spending part of the countdown learning to play chess from my 10 year old grandson.  I hope I am a good student.  This is one game I have never had an interest in learning.  However ... I just played "rock, paper, sissors" with him.  I lost.  If I won ... he would be playing Scrabble with me.

Later, Monkeys

Janet
4:45 PM PT

Have fun ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 09, 2009, 07:57:12 PM
We are down to 3 1/2 hrs until the clock strikes twelve and the ball is dropped in Aruba!Any news on the arrest of the Major player Monkey's?Anyone from any hidey-hole heard anything?My Chocolate Bon-Bon's are in the freezer for the final countdown ::MonkeyDance::

I will spending part of the countdown learning to play chess from my 10 year old grandson.  I hope I am a good student.  This is one game I have never had an interest in learning.  However ... I just played "rock, paper, sissors" with him.  I lost.  If I won ... he would be playing Scrabble with me.

Later, Monkeys

Janet
4:45 PM PT

Couldn't you talk him into playing checkers  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 08:05:55 PM
We are down to 3 1/2 hrs until the clock strikes twelve and the ball is dropped in Aruba!Any news on the arrest of the Major player Monkey's?Anyone from any hidey-hole heard anything?My Chocolate Bon-Bon's are in the freezer for the final countdown ::MonkeyDance::

I will spending part of the countdown learning to play chess from my 10 year old grandson.  I hope I am a good student.  This is one game I have never had an interest in learning.  However ... I just played "rock, paper, sissors" with him.  I lost.  If I won ... he would be playing Scrabble with me.

Later, Monkeys

Janet
4:45 PM PT

Couldn't you talk him into playing checkers  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That would have been great by me.  I hate it now that there are aspect of life where this little guy excel above me.

Anyways ... my youngest son and wife just called and they are dropping by soooo ... grandson is in his glory ... he will be playing video games with Uncle.  DIL and I will most likely have a game of Scrabble and ... hubby just might join us.

Whew!!!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 08:07:07 PM
We are down to 3 1/2 hrs until the clock strikes twelve and the ball is dropped in Aruba!Any news on the arrest of the Major player Monkey's?Anyone from any hidey-hole heard anything?My Chocolate Bon-Bon's are in the freezer for the final countdown ::MonkeyDance::

I will spending part of the countdown learning to play chess from my 10 year old grandson.  I hope I am a good student.  This is one game I have never had an interest in learning.  However ... I just played "rock, paper, sissors" with him.  I lost.  If I won ... he would be playing Scrabble with me.

Later, Monkeys

Janet
4:45 PM PT

Have fun ::MonkeyHaHa::

I will now that I do not have to learn how to play chess.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 08:08:59 PM
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 08:11:09 PM
We are down to 3 1/2 hrs until the clock strikes twelve and the ball is dropped in Aruba!Any news on the arrest of the Major player Monkey's?Anyone from any hidey-hole heard anything?My Chocolate Bon-Bon's are in the freezer for the final countdown ::MonkeyDance::

I will spending part of the countdown learning to play chess from my 10 year old grandson.  I hope I am a good student.  This is one game I have never had an interest in learning.  However ... I just played "rock, paper, sissors" with him.  I lost.  If I won ... he would be playing Scrabble with me.

Later, Monkeys

Janet
4:45 PM PT

Good luck....I wasn't a good chess student many years ago, and haven't tried since.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

San ... the way I figure it ... my grandson mastered the game at the age of 7 years old and ... so did his brother and many of his peers ... so it must not be that hard. (I hope.)

Papa and grandson play the game often and ... in the past year both are at par as far as skill level.

Later

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 08:12:19 PM
We are down to 3 1/2 hrs until the clock strikes twelve and the ball is dropped in Aruba!Any news on the arrest of the Major player Monkey's?Anyone from any hidey-hole heard anything?My Chocolate Bon-Bon's are in the freezer for the final countdown ::MonkeyDance::

I will spending part of the countdown learning to play chess from my 10 year old grandson.  I hope I am a good student.  This is one game I have never had an interest in learning.  However ... I just played "rock, paper, sissors" with him.  I lost.  If I won ... he would be playing Scrabble with me.

Later, Monkeys

Janet
4:45 PM PT

Have fun Janet.I will stay till the end!!!! ::MonkeyDance::

Out of spite ... I will be back.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 08:14:44 PM
It has been a pleasant and wonderful day in the cage i must say! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 09, 2009, 08:22:02 PM
(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/7.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 08:25:41 PM
Think about it.  Why was Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish collaborating on May 30, 2005 a fabrication regarding Natalee Holloway being dropped off at the Holiday Inn.  They all must have been aware that the eighteen year old American citizen was deceased.  They all must have known that Natalee Holloway would never return to dispute the account.

I contend the collaboration occured on May 30, 2005 because on the morning of May 31, 2006 the Holiday Inn fabrication was related to Natalee Holloway's mother and stepfather at the VDS residence.

If there is only one major arrest ... the coverup is still ongoing.

Janet


Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
Wednesday, June 29, 2005


MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: ... He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 08:28:18 PM
(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/7.gif)

2 1/2 hrs Nut.. ::MonkeyDance:: TICK_TOCK,TICK_TOCK


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 08:36:54 PM
shhhhhhhh.quiet!You hear that?I hear sirens.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 08:37:48 PM
Think about it.  Why was Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish collaborating on May 30, 2005 a fabrication regarding Natalee Holloway being dropped off at the Holiday Inn.  They all must have been aware that the eighteen year old American citizen was deceased.  They all must have known that Natalee Holloway would never return to dispute the account.

I contend the collaboration occured on May 30, 2005 because on the morning of May 31, 2006 the Holiday Inn fabrication was related to Natalee Holloway's mother and stepfather at the VDS residence.

If there is only one major arrest ... the coverup is still ongoing.

Janet


Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
Wednesday, June 29, 2005


MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: ... He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html


As Patrick put it . . (http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/vdSloot/PatrickPeterfeb2008_001-kopie.jpg)

I`ve got you boy!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 08:38:42 PM
Let`s post a real Free Bird . . The Holy Spirit

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/TheHolySpirit.gif)

. . in whom she is Blessed

I love that Bastibro!  Thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 08:40:55 PM
Let`s post a real Free Bird . . The Holy Spirit

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/TheHolySpirit.gif)

. . in whom she is Blessed


John 16:7-8

 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter (Holy Spirit) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you. And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment."


Thank you Janet, very nice.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 09:05:18 PM
We've come down to the final two hrs,n the arrest week,of one of the Major players in Aruba!Any Monkey's have any news of an arrest?My jujube's are on the couch,Popcorn popping in the microwave,and a 12 pack of soda ready for the Finale! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 09:09:29 PM
The Monkey police have been patrolling Klaas,2nj and San.No Drive-bys tonight.It's been a pleasant day for the Finale to Arrest week.Everybody has given the Finale it's proper place. ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 09, 2009, 09:10:31 PM
Well, i`m trying to keep the faith  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 09:13:12 PM
Well, i`m trying to keep the faith  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Must be early in the morning Bastibro.About an hour and 45 minutes to go.I have a feeling this is gonna be a very anti-climatic ending!You think?Tell me i'm wrong ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 09:16:40 PM
Well, i`m trying to keep the faith  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Must be early in the morning Bastibro.About an hour and 45 minutes to go.I have a feeling this is gonna be a very anti-climatic ending!You think?Tell me i'm wrong ::MonkeyWaa::

Maybe it depends on when the week ends......but there must be some LE working on Saturday, no?  We know Mos doesn't work on weekends, per Greta.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 09:18:38 PM
Let`s post a real Free Bird . . The Holy Spirit

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/TheHolySpirit.gif)

. . in whom she is Blessed

I love that Bastibro!  Thank you.

I saw it earlier and thought the same.......Bastibro I'm borrowing it for another thread....it fits and it's peaceful.  Thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 09, 2009, 09:19:46 PM
Well, i`m trying to keep the faith  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Must be early in the morning Bastibro.About an hour and 45 minutes to go.I have a feeling this is gonna be a very anti-climatic ending!You think?Tell me i'm wrong ::MonkeyWaa::

Maybe it depends on when the week ends......but there must be some LE working on Saturday, no?  We know Mos doesn't work on weekends, per Greta.

We know that Mos does work period.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 09:20:27 PM
Well, i`m trying to keep the faith  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Must be early in the morning Bastibro.About an hour and 45 minutes to go.I have a feeling this is gonna be a very anti-climatic ending!You think?Tell me i'm wrong ::MonkeyWaa::

Maybe it depends on when the week ends......but there must be some LE working on Saturday, no?  We know Mos doesn't work on weekends, per Greta.

Our we potentially now considering the week over on Sunday! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 09:22:42 PM
San & KTF...your comments noted....both are so true. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 09:24:24 PM
Let`s post a real Free Bird . . The Holy Spirit

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/TheHolySpirit.gif)

. . in whom she is Blessed

I love that Bastibro!  Thank you.

I saw it earlier and thought the same.......Bastibro I'm borrowing it for another thread....it fits and it's peaceful.  Thank you.

Posted here with credits, Bastibro.  Thanks, again....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1870.new#new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Sam on January 09, 2009, 09:26:42 PM
HI Monkeys,

Glad to see you all still on the case.

I think the week starts on Sunday even though Mos does not work on weekends others do.
As far as the arrest is concerned it could be anyone . Maybe Rudy even if he was hiding from Brinkman.
Or maybe Brinkman for speaking out so.

Prayers for Natalee and her family
 
Sam


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 09:29:26 PM
HI Monkeys,

Glad to see you all still on the case.

I think the week starts on Sunday even though Mos does not work on weekends others do.
As far as the arrest is concerned it could be anyone . Maybe Rudy even if he was hiding from Brinkman.
Or maybe Brinkman for speaking out so.

Prayers for Natalee and her family
 
Sam

I do agree with you Sam.To make a prediction like that,knowing what was about to take place politically in Aruba,it wouldn't have been a stretch to think that someone would be arrested!Who knows?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 09:32:49 PM
Let`s post a real Free Bird . . The Holy Spirit

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/TheHolySpirit.gif)

. . in whom she is Blessed

I love that Bastibro!  Thank you.

I saw it earlier and thought the same.......Bastibro I'm borrowing it for another thread....it fits and it's peaceful.  Thank you.

Posted here with credits, Bastibro.  Thanks, again....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1870.new#new

Good thinking, 2NJ!  Thank you!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 09:33:07 PM
I just checked 24ora...and the latest is about another traffic death...I think.  Other than the conference today, nothing out of the ordinary for that island. 

Hi, Sam....we don't go away...somebody is always here.  You may be right about Sunday, but thankfully I didn't hold my breath all week.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 09, 2009, 09:35:22 PM
Can someone remind me of what predictions Caps has
made that have come to pass?

 ::MonkeyConfused::   I've been trying to think.

I know the witness....but I think he created that one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 09:37:49 PM
Can someone remind me of what predictions Caps has
made that have come to pass?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: I've been trying to think.

I know the witness....but I think he created that one.

CapsLockWizard said on Friday,Jan 2nd that a Major player would be arrested by the end of the week!So i've kept a vigil. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 09:40:19 PM
Can someone remind me of what predictions Caps has
made that have come to pass?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: I've been trying to think.

I know the witness....but I think he created that one.

CapsLockWizard said on Friday,Jan 2nd that a Major player would be arrested by the end of the week!So i've kept a vigil. ::MonkeyCool::

Although the post was long this is the direct quote Magnolia!

"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 09:41:41 PM
Can someone remind me of what predictions Caps has
made that have come to pass?

 ::MonkeyConfused::   I've been trying to think.

I know the witness....but I think he created that one.

I didn't keep a file on Caps, Magnolia.  Maybe someone else has.

I fixed your smiley   ;)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 09, 2009, 09:43:54 PM
Can someone remind me of what predictions Caps has
made that have come to pass?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: I've been trying to think.

I know the witness....but I think he created that one.

CapsLockWizard said on Friday,Jan 2nd that a Major player would be arrested by the end of the week!So i've kept a vigil. ::MonkeyCool::

KTF, I am all up on your vigil.  I have been watching too.
I was wondering about prior to this prediction


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Sam on January 09, 2009, 09:45:42 PM
I just checked 24ora...and the latest is about another traffic death...I think.  Other than the conference today, nothing out of the ordinary for that island. 

Hi, Sam....we don't go away...somebody is always here.  You may be right about Sunday, but thankfully I didn't hold my breath all week.   ::MonkeyWink::

I seldom hold my breathe on anything anymore. ::MonkeyLaugh::

I do enjoy reading Caps post though. Just as I enjoy reading all of the posters opinions and speculation.

Sam


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 09, 2009, 09:46:21 PM
Can someone remind me of what predictions Caps has
made that have come to pass?

 ::MonkeyConfused::   I've been trying to think.

I know the witness....but I think he created that one.

I didn't keep a file on Caps, Magnolia.  Maybe someone else has.

I fixed your smiley   ;)

Thank you, 2NJ.  I thought it was magic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 09:46:33 PM
"Can someone remind me of what predictions Caps has
made that have come to pass?"

You think i might've read this part of your post Magnolia! ::MonkeyConfused:: Working the store open to close to day so am a little tired!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 09, 2009, 09:47:06 PM
Can someone remind me of what predictions Caps has
made that have come to pass?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: I've been trying to think.

I know the witness....but I think he created that one.

CapsLockWizard said on Friday,Jan 2nd that a Major player would be arrested by the end of the week!So i've kept a vigil. ::MonkeyCool::

Although the post was long this is the direct quote Magnolia!

"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."

Has anyone considered that the major player's arrest that was predicted could have happened and the arrested person could be Caps?  That would prevent him from reporting to us of the successful outcome of his prediction.  He would have to wait for Paulus to smuggle a mobile phone and a laptop to him.

j/k   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 09:49:32 PM
Can someone remind me of what predictions Caps has
made that have come to pass?

 ::MonkeyConfused::   I've been trying to think.

I know the witness....but I think he created that one.

I didn't keep a file on Caps, Magnolia.  Maybe someone else has.

I fixed your smiley   ;)

Thank you, 2NJ.  I thought it was magic.

Yeah, right...if we had magic we'd have this case and everything else straightened out in the world.   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 09:50:03 PM
Can someone remind me of what predictions Caps has
made that have come to pass?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: I've been trying to think.

I know the witness....but I think he created that one.

CapsLockWizard said on Friday,Jan 2nd that a Major player would be arrested by the end of the week!So i've kept a vigil. ::MonkeyCool::

Although the post was long this is the direct quote Magnolia!

"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."

Has anyone considered that the major player's arrest that was predicted could have happened and the arrested person could be Caps?  That would prevent him from reporting to us of the successful outcome of his prediction.  He would have to wait for Paulus to smuggle a mobile phone and a laptop to him.

j/k   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool::

Now that is Funny Tibro!From Australia?I do have an Exchange student from Canberra that does come into my store.Very pleasant Aussie i must say.She will be returning in a few days!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 09:51:22 PM
Tibro lolol  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 09:51:22 PM
Tibro!!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Don't make me change my outfit!!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 09, 2009, 09:54:01 PM
Can someone remind me of what predictions Caps has
made that have come to pass?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: I've been trying to think.

I know the witness....but I think he created that one.

CapsLockWizard said on Friday,Jan 2nd that a Major player would be arrested by the end of the week!So i've kept a vigil. ::MonkeyCool::

Although the post was long this is the direct quote Magnolia!

"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."

Has anyone considered that the major player's arrest that was predicted could have happened and the arrested person could be Caps?  That would prevent him from reporting to us of the successful outcome of his prediction.  He would have to wait for Paulus to smuggle a mobile phone and a laptop to him.

j/k   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool::

Now that is Funny Tibro!From Australia?I do have an Exchange student from Canberra that does come into my store.Very pleasant Aussie i must say.She will be returning in a few days!

Yes from Tasmania KTF - and we Aussies are nice  LOL   
You stay dry and safe over there


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 09:59:59 PM
Can someone remind me of what predictions Caps has
made that have come to pass?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: I've been trying to think.

I know the witness....but I think he created that one.

CapsLockWizard said on Friday,Jan 2nd that a Major player would be arrested by the end of the week!So i've kept a vigil. ::MonkeyCool::

Although the post was long this is the direct quote Magnolia!

"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."

Has anyone considered that the major player's arrest that was predicted could have happened and the arrested person could be Caps?  That would prevent him from reporting to us of the successful outcome of his prediction.  He would have to wait for Paulus to smuggle a mobile phone and a laptop to him.

j/k   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool::

Now that is Funny Tibro!From Australia?I do have an Exchange student from Canberra that does come into my store.Very pleasant Aussie i must say.She will be returning in a few days!

Yes from Tasmania KTF - and we Aussies are nice  LOL   
You stay dry and safe over there

The Flooding that is occuring in the Seattle area is in the outlying areas so i'm OK.We do only have 1 hr remaing till the Clock strikes 12pm in Aruba. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2009, 10:31:57 PM
OK, PUT YOUR HANDS UP!! WAY UP!!!

YOU ARE ALL UNDER ARREST!!




Sorry,

I just got tired of waiting....................

 :smt102 :2redface:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 10:33:32 PM
OK, PUT YOUR HANDS UP!! WAY UP!!!

YOU ARE ALL UNDER ARREST!!




Sorry,

I just got tired of waiting....................

 :smt102 :2redface:

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: We currently have 27 minutes until 12pm in Aruba.Anyone have Jossy's phone #?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
They don't work at night in Aruba. They're skeered to leave their houses.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 09, 2009, 10:42:11 PM
They don't work at night in Aruba. They're skeered to leave their houses.

Yeah their crack houses.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 10:43:54 PM
San  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I see you are keeping an EYE on everything   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 10:44:28 PM
San!  Fix your eye!  It's hurting ME!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 10:46:15 PM
San  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I see you are keeping an EYE on everything   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 09, 2009, 10:47:00 PM
San!  Fix your eye!  It's hurting ME!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Eye don't know what you are talking about  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 09, 2009, 10:47:32 PM
They don't work at night in Aruba. They're skeered to leave their houses.

Yeah their crack houses.

Eewww, San.  I can really do that. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 09, 2009, 10:48:58 PM
They don't work at night in Aruba. They're skeered to leave their houses.

Yeah their crack houses.

Eewww, San.  I can really do that. ::MonkeyHaHa::

It's not easy taking a picture and doing that  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 10:49:26 PM
San!  Fix your eye!  It's hurting ME!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Eye don't know what you are talking about  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 10:50:01 PM
Hey Monkey's!I was just letting you know that a Major player hasn't been arrested in Aruba so far this week in case you didn't already know! ::MonkeyLaugh:: We have 10 minutes left till the clock strikes 12pm in Aruba. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 10:51:48 PM
They don't work at night in Aruba. They're skeered to leave their houses.

Yeah their crack houses.

Eewww, San.  I can really do that. ::MonkeyHaHa::

One of my sisters could too.  She would do it just to gross me out!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 09, 2009, 10:52:01 PM
Hey Monkey's!I was just letting you know that a Major player hasn't been arrested in Aruba so far this week in case you didn't already know! ::MonkeyLaugh:: We have 10 minutes left till the clock strikes 12pm in Aruba. ::MonkeyDance::

Is this going to be like the New Years Eve countdown.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 10:52:08 PM
Hey Monkey's!I was just letting you know that a Major player hasn't been arrested in Aruba so far this week in case you didn't already know! ::MonkeyLaugh:: We have 10 minutes left till the clock strikes 12pm in Aruba. ::MonkeyDance::

Yep, that's why San has her EYE out for any arrest news tonight.  We figure in the next 8 minutes we should be hearing something.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 10:53:03 PM
Hey Monkey's!I was just letting you know that a Major player hasn't been arrested in Aruba so far this week in case you didn't already know! ::MonkeyLaugh:: We have 10 minutes left till the clock strikes 12pm in Aruba. ::MonkeyDance::

Is this going to be like the New Years Eve countdown.

I can't do it with you having your eye on everything! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 10:55:41 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/countdown.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 09, 2009, 10:58:44 PM
So just who DID go to Aruba this past week?? Did anyone???  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 11:00:10 PM
Hey San and Klaas.Caps was kidding when he said the end of this week.He really meant next week! ::MonkeyLaugh:: We gotta start all over! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 09, 2009, 11:00:58 PM
Hey San and Klaas.Caps was kidding when he said the end of this week.He really meant next week! ::MonkeyLaugh:: We gotta start all over! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

We've been starting over for 3 years now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 11:01:14 PM
So just who DID go to Aruba this past week?? Did anyone???  ::MonkeyConfused::

I have no idea.  I was hoping JQK and at least Mark Furman but if they went they've been very quiet about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 11:01:28 PM
They don't work at night in Aruba. They're skeered to leave their houses.

Yeah their crack houses.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Your lid lift was a success, I guess.  Don't tell me who did it, please.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 11:01:39 PM
Hey San and Klaas.Caps was kidding when he said the end of this week.He really meant next week! ::MonkeyLaugh:: We gotta start all over! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

We've been starting over for 3 years now.

I know that.You know why?Cause you've kept an EYE on it! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 11:01:48 PM
Hey San and Klaas.Caps was kidding when he said the end of this week.He really meant next week! ::MonkeyLaugh:: We gotta start all over! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/thud.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 09, 2009, 11:02:19 PM
They don't work at night in Aruba. They're skeered to leave their houses.

Yeah their crack houses.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Your lid lift was a success, I guess.  Don't tell me who did it, please.

I flipped my lid  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 11:02:50 PM
Hey San and Klaas.Caps was kidding when he said the end of this week.He really meant next week! ::MonkeyLaugh:: We gotta start all over! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/thud.gif)
::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 11:04:15 PM
So just who DID go to Aruba this past week?? Did anyone???  ::MonkeyConfused::

Didn't Red post that things were going on behind the scenes?Where is Red wreck?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 11:04:52 PM
Hey San and Klaas.Caps was kidding when he said the end of this week.He really meant next week! ::MonkeyLaugh:: We gotta start all over! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/thud.gif)
::MonkeyWaa::

Sorrrrrryyyyyy KTF, didn't mean to make you cry! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 11:04:57 PM
They don't work at night in Aruba. They're skeered to leave their houses.

Yeah their crack houses.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Your lid lift was a success, I guess.  Don't tell me who did it, please.

I flipped my lid  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not the first time and probably not the last....LMAO...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 09, 2009, 11:05:40 PM
This not the first time Caps has promised "big things". Wasn't the big pond witness and a Diario story promised back in October as well?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 09, 2009, 11:06:26 PM
So just who DID go to Aruba this past week?? Did anyone???  ::MonkeyConfused::

Didn't Red post that things were going on behind the scenes?Where is Red wreck?
Don't look at me!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 11:07:04 PM
Hey San and Klaas.Caps was kidding when he said the end of this week.He really meant next week! ::MonkeyLaugh:: We gotta start all over! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/thud.gif)
::MonkeyWaa::

Sorrrrrryyyyyy KTF, didn't mean to make you cry! 

In Wrecks post.Do we really have a list of all the things that CapsLockWizard has said that didn't come to fruition?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 11:07:05 PM
This not the first time Caps has promised "big things". Wasn't the big pond witness and a Diario story promised back in October as well?

Wreck - everyone promises big things and nothing ever happens.  I've given up on ever expecting things to happen when we are told.  If anything happens it will be out of the blue.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 11:07:39 PM
So just who DID go to Aruba this past week?? Did anyone???  ::MonkeyConfused::

Didn't Red post that things were going on behind the scenes?Where is Red wreck?
Don't look at me!


::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 11:08:05 PM
So just who DID go to Aruba this past week?? Did anyone???  ::MonkeyConfused::

Didn't Red post that things were going on behind the scenes?Where is Red wreck?

Like Wreck has that red phone on his desk?   I think patience is warrented....can we muster up more of that?  I think we can....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 11:08:50 PM
This not the first time Caps has promised "big things". Wasn't the big pond witness and a Diario story promised back in October as well?

Wreck - everyone promises big things and nothing ever happens.  I've given up on ever expecting things to happen when we are told.  If anything happens it will be out of the blue.

Where's Red damn it!Did he beat Brete up for Brinkman?Then they took the wine glasses and had a toast on the Dutch delegation's tab!Did he get arrested in Aruba? ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 09, 2009, 11:10:43 PM
So just who DID go to Aruba this past week?? Did anyone???  ::MonkeyConfused::

Didn't Red post that things were going on behind the scenes?Where is Red wreck?

Like Wreck has that red phone on his desk?   I think patience is warrented....can we muster up more of that?  I think we can....

(http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/phonegeek_2029_5225584)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 11:11:48 PM
So just who DID go to Aruba this past week?? Did anyone???  ::MonkeyConfused::

Didn't Red post that things were going on behind the scenes?Where is Red wreck?

Like Wreck has that red phone on his desk?   I think patience is warrented....can we muster up more of that?  I think we can....

Yes 2nj.Patience.I Stand with the Frog and the Monkey's,as well as those Freebird's.The truth will come in time,and i do appreciate all the monkey's for the Humor that truly does help me get by when i feel like throwing my computer screen through the window! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2009, 11:11:51 PM
Just checking in.

Later, Janet
8:10 PM pT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 11:13:22 PM
So just who DID go to Aruba this past week?? Did anyone???  ::MonkeyConfused::

Didn't Red post that things were going on behind the scenes?Where is Red wreck?

Like Wreck has that red phone on his desk?   I think patience is warrented....can we muster up more of that?  I think we can....

(http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/phonegeek_2029_5225584)

Hurry up and call Janet and tell her no oone got arrested!We see you Janet.CHECK-MATE! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 11:13:52 PM
Just checking in.

Later, Janet
8:10 PM pT



You must call the red phone, first and have your eye lids lifted.  It's the new requirement, Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 11:14:12 PM
Just checking in.

Later, Janet
8:10 PM pT



Hi Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 11:14:57 PM
Just checking in.

Later, Janet
8:10 PM pT



You must call the red phone, first and have your eye lids lifted.  It's the new requirement, Janet.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: .Thank You Scared Monkey's.Today has been a great day in terms of laughter for me and for that.I Thank You all! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 11:19:19 PM
Janet,

just kidding....I'm gearing up to rest up for tomorrow.  Any news will also be accompanied by snow here, so they say. 

Justice for Natalee. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 09, 2009, 11:22:19 PM
In fairness to Red, he just mentioned "the stars aligning" and a possible civil suit. (But, I think he also hinted that Greta and Beth were on their way to Aruba)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 11:26:04 PM
In fairness to Red, he just mentioned "the stars aligning" and a possible civil suit. (But, I think he also hinted that Greta and Beth were on their way to Aruba)

Sorry Wreck.I wasn't trying to say that Red implied anything in terms of arrest or anything happening.Just clarifying.He just gave a pep talk to keep our heads up.Then i was just making a joke about Red being in Aruba!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 09, 2009, 11:29:01 PM
In fairness to Red, he just mentioned "the stars aligning" and a possible civil suit. (But, I think he also hinted that Greta and Beth were on their way to Aruba)

Sorry Wreck.I wasn't trying to say that Red implied anything in terms of arrest or anything happening.Just clarifying.He just gave a pep talk to keep our heads up.Then i was just making a joke about Red being in Aruba!  ::MonkeyCool::
No need to apologize. I was generalizing to everyone.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 11:33:07 PM
Genda/Renfro said on RU (so consider the source):

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Glenda010609.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 11:35:11 PM
http://www.awe24.com/

HERO BRINKMAN A BAY SPLICA NA PLACA CHIKITO CU TA E BERDAD ELA BISA Y CU NA ARUBA TIN CORRUPCION
(http://www.awe24.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JAN_2009/9_jan_brinkman_na_canal_90__Small_.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2009, 11:36:42 PM
This not the first time Caps has promised "big things". Wasn't the big pond witness and a Diario story promised back in October as well?

Wreck - everyone promises big things and nothing ever happens.  I've given up on ever expecting things to happen when we are told.  If anything happens it will be out of the blue.

The best things do come out of the blue.  You're right.  Keep patience at hand.

San's eye had me out of focus.... ::MonkeyHaHa::  (says the blind woman)

G'nite everyone....see you later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 11:39:08 PM
This not the first time Caps has promised "big things". Wasn't the big pond witness and a Diario story promised back in October as well?

Wreck - everyone promises big things and nothing ever happens.  I've given up on ever expecting things to happen when we are told.  If anything happens it will be out of the blue.

The best things do come out of the blue.  You're right.  Keep patience at hand.

San's eye had me out of focus.... ::MonkeyHaHa::  (says the blind woman)

G'nite everyone....see you later.

Goodnight 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 11:41:26 PM
I think Greta may be somewhere else; at the beginning of her show she wasn't in the usual setting.

I'm keeping hope that things are still in the works in Aruba.  There's still the investigation into the investigation; right?  Hopefully, that will bring action of some kind!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 09, 2009, 11:44:00 PM
This not the first time Caps has promised "big things". Wasn't the big pond witness and a Diario story promised back in October as well?

Wreck - everyone promises big things and nothing ever happens.  I've given up on ever expecting things to happen when we are told.  If anything happens it will be out of the blue.

The best things do come out of the blue.  You're right.  Keep patience at hand.

San's eye had me out of focus.... ::MonkeyHaHa::  (says the blind woman)

G'nite everyone....see you later.
"'I see', said the blind man to his deaf wife (as he stuck his wooden arm out the window to see if it was raining)."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 11:44:42 PM
This not the first time Caps has promised "big things". Wasn't the big pond witness and a Diario story promised back in October as well?

Wreck - everyone promises big things and nothing ever happens.  I've given up on ever expecting things to happen when we are told.  If anything happens it will be out of the blue.

The best things do come out of the blue.  You're right.  Keep patience at hand.

San's eye had me out of focus.... ::MonkeyHaHa::  (says the blind woman)

G'nite everyone....see you later.

Goodnight 2njsons_MoM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 09, 2009, 11:45:12 PM
I think Greta may be somewhere else; at the beginning of her show she wasn't in the usual setting.

I'm keeping hope that things are still in the works in Aruba.  There's still the investigation into the investigation; right?  Hopefully, that will bring action of some kind!


Greta is Newport News, Va to do a final interview with President Bush.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 11:45:52 PM
I think Greta may be somewhere else; at the beginning of her show she wasn't in the usual setting.

I'm keeping hope that things are still in the works in Aruba.  There's still the investigation into the investigation; right?  Hopefully, that will bring action of some kind!


Greta is Newport News, Va to do a final interview with President Bush.

Thanks wreck!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 11:46:09 PM
I still can't through to Diario.What about you TM?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2009, 11:47:25 PM
I still can't through to Diario.What about you TM?

No, the site has been down every time I've tried today.  Wonder what's up with that?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2009, 11:48:14 PM
We can't do this again next week. The ball only goes DOWN!!    ::MonkeyNoNo::

 (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Arrest-Week.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2009, 11:50:53 PM
Back in the day, Dompig would tell us to expect a major break in the next 24-48 hours and we fell for it every time.  Then Karin Janssen made the wisecrack to expect major "fireworks" around the last of June and that was too obvious.  She was making a joke about the 4th of July.

After that, I didn't believe them so much any more.  Nothing that I can think of that has come out of Aruba has been truthful so far.  Think about it in retrospect.  We found out much more on our own every time than we were told.  And most of what we were told turned out to be twisted or an outright lie.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2009, 11:51:04 PM
Nite 2NJ


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2009, 11:51:30 PM
We can't do this again next week. The ball only goes DOWN!!    ::MonkeyNoNo::

 (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Arrest-Week.gif)

It was fun while it lasted!


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE..JUSTICE FOR NATALEE..JUSTICE FOR NATALEE  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2009, 11:52:11 PM
We can't do this again next week. The ball only goes DOWN!!    ::MonkeyNoNo::

 (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Arrest-Week.gif)


Can you turn it upside down?    ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 12:11:56 AM
We can't do this again next week. The ball only goes DOWN!!    ::MonkeyNoNo::

 (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Arrest-Week.gif)


Can you turn it upside down?    ::MonkeyHaHa::



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Arrest-Week2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 10, 2009, 12:12:36 AM
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 12:17:12 AM
We can't do this again next week. The ball only goes DOWN!!    ::MonkeyNoNo::

 (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Arrest-Week.gif)


Can you turn it upside down?    ::MonkeyHaHa::



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Arrest-Week2.gif)
Let's see you put toothpaste back in the tube!  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 10, 2009, 12:21:54 AM
We can't do this again next week. The ball only goes DOWN!!    ::MonkeyNoNo::

 (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Arrest-Week.gif)


Can you turn it upside down?    ::MonkeyHaHa::



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Arrest-Week2.gif)

OK, smarty. Since you made that ball climb back up that pole, do I get to choose whose head to drop it on???

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 10, 2009, 12:25:22 AM
I've been trying not to ask this for two days, but I give!

Do you all have this xylophone like thing at the bottom of the page that plays if your mouse hits it???   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 12:27:10 AM
I've been trying not to ask this for two days, but I give!

Do you all have this xylophone like thing at the bottom of the page that plays if your mouse hits it???   ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, there have been some weird ads lately..I mentioned it to Dugga.  I've got my sound turned off right now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 12:28:45 AM
I've been trying not to ask this for two days, but I give!

Do you all have this xylophone like thing at the bottom of the page that plays if your mouse hits it???   ::MonkeyShocked::
No, my bowser (Maxthon) has an "ad blocker". No ads, no pop-ups.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 10, 2009, 12:30:25 AM
I've been trying not to ask this for two days, but I give!

Do you all have this xylophone like thing at the bottom of the page that plays if your mouse hits it???   ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, there have been some weird ads lately..I mentioned it to Dugga.  I've got my sound turned off right now.

Oh, good! Just as long as I'm not the only one that sees it or hears it, I'm on the right meds!!    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 10, 2009, 12:42:02 AM
Monkey Meds ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 10, 2009, 12:47:37 AM
Goodnight to all.Thanx for partaking in another fun filled week!I'm sure after going to bed i'll miss the paddywagon arresting all the Monkey's on charges from Cage intoxication,contributing to underage Monkey's,illegal possesion of Monkey meds,Monkey weed..Just kidding ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Goodnight All!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 10, 2009, 12:50:58 AM
O.K. nothing happened while I was out I see.  Just got home from company party. All I can say is the British sure do know how to party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 01:14:39 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!  I'm off to play a couple games!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 01:50:38 AM
KYLE KINGMAN - HUMAN REMAINS WERE FOUND

ocean exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #701 on: March 18, 2008, 03:03:52 PM »


t's impossible to tell with any precision, but we are in agreement that the trap was not recently dropped at the time of it's discovery.  By recent, I mean disposed the same season as when it was found.  From the level of marine growth and decomposition of the trap's rigging, tubular metal frame, and square coated wire mesh, the time involved would be on the order of years, but not 10s of years.  Neither the condition of the trap or state of the items found inside the trap preclude a disposal at or near the time of Natalee's disappearance.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700


ocean exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #709 on: March 18, 2008, 03:11:50 PM »


As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI:
The contents of the trap were being actively investigated.  The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample.  Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case.  The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700


REMINDER:

Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464


But the Kyle's words don't matter Janet! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Has there been any independent confirmation or evidence that any of Kyle's statements are true?  Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember seeing any.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 02:08:38 AM
I've been trying not to ask this for two days, but I give!

Do you all have this xylophone like thing at the bottom of the page that plays if your mouse hits it???   ::MonkeyShocked::

I'm glad you asked CBB!  I have been hearing this sound now and again for a few days and couldn't figure out where it was coming from!  That's what it was!  I just tried my mouse at the bottom and there it was.  I think it's one particular ad that does it.  Whew, glad to know where that sound was coming from!

I'd been thinking maybe it had something to do with virus scanning or something like that, but wasn't getting a message of any kind!

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 02:10:53 AM
It's been a long week.  I think I'm going to go do some reading, and hit the monkey bunkey!

Goodnight monkeys!


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 02:12:35 AM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/NataleeSoBeautifl.jpg)
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 02:36:12 AM
ASSISTING IN THE FURTHERANCE OF THE ARUBAN COVERUP

KYLE KINGMAN - SCARED MONKEY SITE

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM
»

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857


PRIVATE EYE - SCARED MONKEY SITE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM
»

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


JOHN SILVETTI - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS' SITE

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.  He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast.

John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further.

After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Private Eye

"The effort was superb, but the game was fixed."

At this point I hate to even point this out, but Private Eye is relying on Kyle's statements, so the fact that Private Eye thinks "the game is fixed" based on Kyle's statements doesn't prove anything.  I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm just pointing out the flaws in the logic here. (Sorry, I can't help but notice these things because I am trained this way from my work).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 02:43:03 AM
Think about it.  Why was Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish collaborating on May 30, 2005 a fabrication regarding Natalee Holloway being dropped off at the Holiday Inn.  They all must have been aware that the eighteen year old American citizen was deceased.  They all must have known that Natalee Holloway would never return to dispute the account.

I contend the collaboration occured on May 30, 2005 because on the morning of May 31, 2006 the Holiday Inn fabrication was related to Natalee Holloway's mother and stepfather at the VDS residence.

If there is only one major arrest ... the coverup is still ongoing.

Janet


Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
Wednesday, June 29, 2005


MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: ... He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html


I agree with you 100%, they got their story down right away.  I just re-read Joran and the Kalpoes' witness statements from 5/31/05 and their statements about what happened at C & C were quite different. (Joran danced, Joran didn't dance, etc). However, what struck me is that they sure agreed on their descriptions of the black security guard!  Sounds like the Kalpoes had a cheatsheet that they memorized for the guard's physical description.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 10, 2009, 03:20:20 AM


Can you turn it upside down?    ::MonkeyHaHa::



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Arrest-Week2.gif)

Darn, the secret is out.  Now you all know how we count down New Year Eve here in the southern hemisphere


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 10, 2009, 03:25:16 AM

(snipped)

At this point I hate to even point this out, but Private Eye is relying on Kyle's statements, so the fact that Private Eye thinks "the game is fixed" based on Kyle's statements doesn't prove anything.  I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm just pointing out the flaws in the logic here. (Sorry, I can't help but notice these things because I am trained this way from my work).

If you want flaws in logic - try Caps version of logic.  His logic changed every time he read contradictory posts here.
(Trained in logic and common sense also for my work)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on January 10, 2009, 05:29:18 AM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2009, 05:37:43 AM
KYLE KINGMAN - HUMAN REMAINS WERE FOUND

ocean exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #701 on: March 18, 2008, 03:03:52 PM »


t's impossible to tell with any precision, but we are in agreement that the trap was not recently dropped at the time of it's discovery.  By recent, I mean disposed the same season as when it was found.  From the level of marine growth and decomposition of the trap's rigging, tubular metal frame, and square coated wire mesh, the time involved would be on the order of years, but not 10s of years.  Neither the condition of the trap or state of the items found inside the trap preclude a disposal at or near the time of Natalee's disappearance.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700


ocean exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #709 on: March 18, 2008, 03:11:50 PM »


As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI:
The contents of the trap were being actively investigated.  The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample.    Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case.   The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700


REMINDER:

Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464


But the Kyle's words don't matter Janet! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Has there been any independent confirmation or evidence that any of Kyle's statements are true?  Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember seeing any.


Well, yes.  Kyle said it and you quoted it.  The FBI said that the fabric did not match Natalee's BLOUSE.  Not hermit crabs.  Not plastic.  FABRIC.  Retrieved from the cage.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2009, 06:34:31 AM
At this point I hate to even point this out, but Private Eye is relying on Kyle's statements, so the fact that Private Eye thinks "the game is fixed" based on Kyle's statements doesn't prove anything.  I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm just pointing out the flaws in the logic here. (Sorry, I can't help but notice these things because I am trained this way from my work).


No Private Eye mentioned the contents in context that surprised Kyle.  That is when the posts got really interesting.  Private Eye had totally independent access to the information which Kyle had not anticipated.  He was calling Beth's attention to the inconsistencies.  His information was never based on Kyle alone and so he could see that things were not as they should have been.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2009, 06:37:09 AM

(snipped)

At this point I hate to even point this out, but Private Eye is relying on Kyle's statements, so the fact that Private Eye thinks "the game is fixed" based on Kyle's statements doesn't prove anything.  I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm just pointing out the flaws in the logic here. (Sorry, I can't help but notice these things because I am trained this way from my work).

If you want flaws in logic - try Caps version of logic.  His logic changed every time he read contradictory posts here.
(Trained in logic and common sense also for my work)


I have never seen anything quite like it.  Very unique.  My personal fav was Yellow Hammer = Yellow Hummer!  Interesting to say the least.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 08:39:46 AM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I would believe about anything these days! (Actually, that makes a lot of sense! -- I was beginning to suspect that Caps = Jossy --"Capslock Wizard" is an old term for newspaper guys)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 10, 2009, 09:12:31 AM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 :smt039

I don't think our posting schedules have coincided in a long time. Work is NOT all that it's crakced up to be.  ::MonkeyTongue::

To you and yours -all my best for a beautiful 2009. I watch those college scores  ::MonkeyWink::

And thanks  ::MonkeyCool::

AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.....IT DOES!!!

Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her loved ones




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 10, 2009, 09:20:37 AM


Well, yes.  Kyle said it and you quoted it.  The FBI said that the fabric did not match Natalee's BLOUSE.  Not hermit crabs.  Not plastic.  FABRIC.  Retrieved from the cage.



Nahhhh! Chocolate, cleaning fluid and donkey bones. Maybe a few chicken wings.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


wingnut! the 'Friday' cow  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Had me reminiscing about 'old times'.  ::MonkeyWink::
{{{hugs}}}



Thanks for all your kind words for my family, Monkeys.
.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 10, 2009, 09:29:14 AM

(snipped)

At this point I hate to even point this out, but Private Eye is relying on Kyle's statements, so the fact that Private Eye thinks "the game is fixed" based on Kyle's statements doesn't prove anything.  I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm just pointing out the flaws in the logic here. (Sorry, I can't help but notice these things because I am trained this way from my work).

If you want flaws in logic - try Caps version of logic.  His logic changed every time he read contradictory posts here.
(Trained in logic and common sense also for my work)


I have never seen anything quite like it.  Very unique.  My personal fav was Yellow Hammer = Yellow Hummer!  Interesting to say the least.



For an arugment to be considered 'logical', you MUST begin with a valid premise.

Just saying.

And yes -- I do have significant education and experience with Logic and Scientific methods.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, Anna. That was amongst my fav's as well.

Tibro!! Long time -- no see.
.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 10, 2009, 09:32:58 AM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2009, 09:51:21 AM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.


But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 10:32:16 AM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.


But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.
I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 11:01:32 AM
Good morning monkeys!

Sharon, I'm glad to see you back; was so sorry to hear about your husband's aunt.  You and yours have been in my thoughts and prayers.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 10, 2009, 11:18:58 AM
1.Not one girl in this world has made claim against any of the boys mentioned in this case..
2. The Colombian witnesses were all real.
3. Marcos was real. 3.25 years later too.. In Nicaragua Too.!
4. The landfill witness was real.
5. Dave was kicked out of the landfill.
6. Various people died because of this case and an innocent woman is in jail over her husbands death. Others were called suicides and one just dies for no apparent reason.
One of the main speakers has association to major crimes
7. His brother The Boss gets arrested for a major crime and shoots at police and Americans do not pays attention.
8. His nephew lives within eyesight of the lighthouse.
The boys all admit they were at the lighthouse on the night in question, and a walk across a golf course would go unwitnessed.
.. It is bigger then anyone understands is the Bottom line.
Green Frogs and Wizards are all part of the plan of misinformation..
Is everyone blind ?
jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 11:27:11 AM
1.Not one girl in this world has made claim against any of the boys mentioned in this case..
2. The Colombian witnesses were all real.
3. Marcos was real. 3.25 years later too.. In Nicaragua Too.!
4. The landfill witness was real.
5. Dave was kicked out of the landfill.
6. Various people died because of this case and an innocent woman is in jail over her husbands death. Others were called suicides and one just dies for no apparent reason.
One of the main speakers has association to major crimes
7. His brother The Boss gets arrested for a major crime and shoots at police and Americans do not pays attention.
8. His nephew lives within eyesight of the lighthouse.
The boys all admit they were at the lighthouse on the night in question, and a walk across a golf course would go unwitnessed.
.. It is bigger then anyone understands is the Bottom line.
Green Frogs and Wizards are all part of the plan of misinformation..
Is everyone blind ?
jmho
Undoubtedly a LARGE cover-up, but I know the American "Green Frog's" credentials. Can't say the same for the "Wizard."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 11:27:51 AM
Good Mornng Monkeys!!  Good Morning Zookeepers!!

Sharon ... I am thankful that you and hubby arrived home safe and sound.  Big Hug!

CAPS ... considering the many time you have been forced to eat it over the past year ... you must be acquiring a taste for crow pie.  Tamikosmom has had to hold her breath time and time again while she partakes of slice after slice of that pie when her speculations come to naught but ... then again she is not revered as the bearer of truth by one Monkeys.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 11:56:49 AM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

None ... I sure hope not.

The implication is that many Monkeys are putting faith in someone to reveal the truth who has been one with the Aruban coverup agenda from early on in the investigation and ... has undermine the mother of Natalee Holloway time and time again.

I cannot compregen how the objective of justice for Natalee Holloway and ... closure for her family ... is going to be reached by trusting the enemy ... the enemy who has prevented just from prevailing for over 3 1/2 years.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

_______

Missing White Female
Vanity Fair
January 2, 2006


Despite reports to the contrary, Dompig feels certain Natalee didn't meet Joran until her final day on Aruba, Sunday. He confirms that there have been numerous reports that she may have been involved with other young men on the island. "We have taken two statements, from Julia Renfro and a Holiday Inn worker, that Beth told them she had gotten a call from her daughter, and that she was in love with a tall, blue-eyed Dutch teenager. So [Beth] had contact with her daughter. But she denies it. The question is why. If [the Twittys] don't level with us, how can they talk about a conspiracy? We need to know the truth. Joran did not have blue eyes. So who was this boy?" Beth denies making any such statements, or even having talked with Natalee while she was in Aruba.

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=9


'The Abrams Report' for April 19
updated 7:28 a.m. PT, Thurs., April. 20, 2006


ABRAMS: Beth, any truth to this, I don't know if it's rumor or report, et cetera, that Natalee had said something to you about having a crush on a blonde haired, blue eyed boy in Aruba?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  Dan, there's just—there's no truth to that at all. You know Natalee had not called me. She didn't have international calling on her phone  and no she never—her friends said that this never happened, it was never mentioned. And just simply it's just another rumor that had started and it's just not true, Dan.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12405242/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 12:16:15 PM
1.Not one girl in this world has made claim against any of the boys mentioned in this case..
2. The Colombian witnesses were all real.
3. Marcos was real. 3.25 years later too.. In Nicaragua Too.!
4. The landfill witness was real.
5. Dave was kicked out of the landfill.
6. Various people died because of this case and an innocent woman is in jail over her husbands death. Others were called suicides and one just dies for no apparent reason.
One of the main speakers has association to major crimes
7. His brother The Boss gets arrested for a major crime and shoots at police and Americans do not pays attention.
8. His nephew lives within eyesight of the lighthouse.
The boys all admit they were at the lighthouse on the night in question, and a walk across a golf course would go unwitnessed.
.. It is bigger then anyone understands is the Bottom line.
Green Frogs and Wizards are all part of the plan of misinformation..
Is everyone blind ?
jmho

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Edward ... is "Edward" your given name or just a nic?

Nevertheless ... you and Joran are one in regards to Joran's claim to Greta in his March, 2006 interview that there were never any accusations of sexual assault leveled against him.  However ... there are sources that state otherwise.

Janet

+++++++++

"I AM INCLINED TO BELIEVE HIM" - GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 3
Monday, March 06, 2006


VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl ...

VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... or something — never?

VAN DER SLOOT: I mean, you can talk to any girl I've ever been with, and they can say I always treated them in the right way. I mean, I never laid a finger on a girl without her wanting to. I've never done anything like that before ever with any girl.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html


CONTRADICTIONS

Hannity & Colmes
April 11, 2006

 
BETH TWITTY: Well, those young girls... Those are the girls, who came forward this summer...I believe they came forward in August, and were giving statements to the police as to what Joran had done to them. And from what I am reading in the same papers that you are, that these young girls, obviously, will feel more comfortable coming forward in New York. I mean, they were really pressured by several different people and officials on the Island of Aruba to retract their statements. And it was difficult enough for them to come forward as it was.
 
 
'The Abrams Report' for February 24
updated 7:45 a.m. PT, Mon., Feb. 27, 2006

 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.  We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/
 

Diario: More Alleged Victims Come Forward against Joran
Translated from Today’s Diario Newspaper:
August 23, 2005

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN) — Last night on The O’Reilly Factor of Fox one could hear how the parents of an American girl (today 18 years old) who was a girlfriend of Joran three years ago and this family is convinced that Joran van der Sloot is innocent in the case of the disappearance of Natalee. It was mentioned that the youngsters met each other at a pool of a hotel where the family would have had a Timeshare, how Joran visited the family in the states and how he had contact with the girl via E-mail until recently.
 
This is contrary to what also reached the editorial desk, indicating that there is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/23/diario-more-alleged-victims-come-forward-against-joran/
 
 
'Scarborough Country' for August 22
updated 7:34 a.m. PT, Tues., Aug. 23, 2005


MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT: … Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran Van Der Sloot. Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against Van Der Sloot.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/
 
 
Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot


12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.
 
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp5.html


Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot


81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp15.html
 
 
Kalpoe Brothers Re-Arrested
Tuesday, August 30, 2005

 
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?

TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward.  He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.

VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?

LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html
 
 
Aruba Suspects Accused of Taking Sex Photos of Another Girl
Thursday, September 01, 2005

The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html
 
 
'Scarborough Country' for August 26
updated 12:49 p.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 29, 2005

 
DANIELS: It definitely smells that way. You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here. We are talking about drugs. We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people. There are four guys now in custody, four best friends. What does that tell you?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”: Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends. They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around. And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house. So, there is a bond between them. There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


HELEN LEJUEZ - ARUBAN FAMILY ATTORNEY

Affidavid of C. Helen Lejuez

<snipped>

5. ... Miss Doe told me that she was coming forward at that time because she had had an experience that might be similar to Natalee's experience.

6. Miss Doe informed me that, one evening during early in 2005, she met Joran van der Sloot at Carlos'n Charlie's nightclub in Aruba.

7. Miss Doe told me that, over the course of the night, Joran van der Sloot gave her several alcoholic beverages. Miss Doe further stated that she believes that Joran van der Sloot placed some kind of narcotic substance in one of her drinks. The reason she believes she was drugged is that her level of intoxication was greatly disportionate to the amount of alcohol that she consumed.

8. Later that night, according to Miss Doe, Joran Van der Sloot brought Miss Doe back to his apartment, adjacent to his parent's house.

9. Miss Doe then told me that she was sexually assaulted by Joran van der Sloot as she faded in and out of conciousness, At no time did Miss Doe consent to any sexual contact with Joran van der Sloot.

10. Miss Doe advised me that, shortly after she was sexually assaulted by Joran van der Sloot, she learned that two other young women, ages 16 and 17, suffered attacks by Joran van der Sloot under similar circumstances.
 
11. Miss Doe told me that, in the aftermath of Joran van der Sloot's attack on Miss Doe, she was threatened and intimidated by Joran van der Sloot, his friends and others. She had been terrified to come forward and tell her story in Aruba.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 12:19:50 PM
Considering I have been talking to myself for the past hour .. I am now convinced that I really am getting old.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 12:31:13 PM
Considering I have been talking to myself for the past hour .. I am now convinced that I really am getting old.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

You're not talking to yourself Janet!  I'm listening!  Just trying to do lots of things this morning and read here too...  Haven't posted much yet; but I'm thinking a lot about everything I've read this morning!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 10, 2009, 12:36:09 PM
Considering I have been talking to myself for the past hour .. I am now convinced that I really am getting old.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

You are not talking to yourself and you are not getting old....well, you are not alone getting old... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 12:43:42 PM
Considering I have been talking to myself for the past hour .. I am now convinced that I really am getting old.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

You are not talking to yourself and you are not getting old....well, you are not alone getting old... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I will will be selective and embrace the part of your post that said "You are not getting old".

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks 2NJSons_Mom.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 12:46:34 PM
Quote
1.Not one girl in this world has made claim against any of the boys mentioned in this case..

TM,
I didn't sense he was actually saying that no girl has ever had cause to report against them -- I think he is saying there is a REASON that no girls have come forward. He is hinting at a large cover-up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 12:48:33 PM
In fact, a few girls DID come forward but were suddenly "silenced"!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 10, 2009, 12:48:46 PM
I must give Iris kudos for bringing us back to the real issues.Thank You Iris! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 12:52:24 PM
I actually agree with Edward except for the part about Kermit and us "being blind."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 10, 2009, 12:54:00 PM
Frido Croes lo elabora riba su trabaonan na Hulanda

Article here:   http://www.24ora.com/

********

Who is Frido?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 10, 2009, 12:55:17 PM
Frido Croes lo elabora riba su trabaonan na Hulanda

Article here:   http://www.24ora.com/

********

Who is Frido?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frido_Croes

Quote
In the formation of the fourth Oduber Government’s cabinet on the 8th November 2005, Frido Croes was named the Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba in the Netherlands.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 10, 2009, 12:57:25 PM
I actually agree with Edward except for the part about Kermit and us "being blind."

sorry.
I mean the world in general.. you fine people are giving it the best.
i have no idea who the frog is or is not.. i sure do not see the f.b.i. showing interest in the revaluation..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 12:58:32 PM
Okay, I know Klaas cannot ethically tell us Cap's identity. That doesn't mean the rest of us cannot make educated guesses. Any takers?
My guesses, either:
1) Clyde Merian
2) Jossy
3) Dompig


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 12:59:26 PM
Considering I have been talking to myself for the past hour .. I am now convinced that I really am getting old.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

You're not talking to yourself Janet!  I'm listening!  Just trying to do lots of things this morning and read here too...  Haven't posted much yet; but I'm thinking a lot about everything I've read this morning!

texasmom ... it is Saturday and ... in some obscure book of the Bible ... I am almost positive we are told that we do not have to think on Saturday.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

However ... the book of Genisis implies Sunday is for resting and ... the following five days are for thinking and working.

Sooo ... on Monday ... Monkeys will congregate in the cage and ... put on their thinking caps and ... begin to figure out how to expose the deception of the Persistence undertaking.

Have a good day texasmom.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 10, 2009, 01:01:41 PM
Frido Croes lo elabora riba su trabaonan na Hulanda

Article here:   http://www.24ora.com/

********

Who is Frido?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frido_Croes

Quote
In the formation of the fourth Oduber Government’s cabinet on the 8th November 2005, Frido Croes was named the Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba in the Netherlands.



Thank you.  I have probably read the name before, but it just didn't stay with me.  Too many Croes to remember.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on January 10, 2009, 01:02:55 PM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 :smt039

I don't think our posting schedules have coincided in a long time. Work is NOT all that it's crakced up to be.  ::MonkeyTongue::

To you and yours -all my best for a beautiful 2009. I watch those college scores  ::MonkeyWink::

And thanks  ::MonkeyCool::

AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.....IT DOES!!!

Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her loved ones




Hello friend-

I've missed you as well and so very sorry to hear about your loss, my sympathies to you and your family.

So true, work is not all it's cracked up to be but with a massive downsizing planned for our division I might not have that problem much longer !

PLEASE EVERYONE KNOW I WAS TEASING ABOUT DOMPIG BEING CAPS !!!!!!!!

I don't have a clue who Caps really is and I was just being lighthearted post some great news from my son last night.

Now back to spending time with my son, it's his banquet tonight.  ::MonkeyWink::

take care all !



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 10, 2009, 01:08:41 PM
Okay, I know Klaas cannot ethically tell us Cap's identity. That doesn't mean the rest of us cannot make educated guesses. Any takers?
My guesses, either:
1) Clyde Merian
2) Jossy
3) Dompig

How did Hotshot come to meet CapsLockWizard and why would Caps trust Hotshot?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 01:10:17 PM
Quote
PLEASE EVERYONE KNOW I WAS TEASING ABOUT DOMPIG BEING CAPS !!!!!!!!

I don't have a clue who Caps really is and I was just being lighthearted post some great news from my son last night
::MonkeyHaHa:: I know, but it isn't really all that far fetched!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 01:10:57 PM
I actually agree with Edward except for the part about Kermit and us "being blind."

sorry.
I mean the world in general.. you fine people are giving it the best.
i have no idea who the frog is or is not.. i sure do not see the f.b.i. showing interest in the revaluation..


The "frog" has staunchly upheld the family of Natalee Holloway from the getgo in the  contention that a corrupt Aruban investigation was preventing justice from prevailing for their beloved.

Kermit's ongoing research implies that he/she has put her/his heart and soul into the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway by striving to expose the Aruban coverup agenda.

Edward ... it is very important that you attempt a little research on any poster prior to insinuating underlying motives.

Janet 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 10, 2009, 01:12:43 PM
Quote
PLEASE EVERYONE KNOW I WAS TEASING ABOUT DOMPIG BEING CAPS !!!!!!!!

I don't have a clue who Caps really is and I was just being lighthearted post some great news from my son last night
::MonkeyHaHa:: I know, but it isn't really all that far fetched!   ::MonkeyEek::

Did Hotshot interact with Capslockwizard,and if so.How much?Will look forward to answers as i'm heading out for awhile.No arrest's? ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 01:19:43 PM
I actually agree with Edward except for the part about Kermit and us "being blind."

sorry.
I mean the world in general.. you fine people are giving it the best.
i have no idea who the frog is or is not.. i sure do not see the f.b.i. showing interest in the revaluation..


The "frog" has staunchly upheld the family of Natalee Holloway from the getgo in the  contention that a corrupt Aruban investigation was preventing justice from prevailing for their beloved.

Kermit's ongoing research implies that he/she has put her/his heart and soul into the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway by striving to expose the Aruban coverup agenda.

Edward ... it is very important that you attempt a little research on any poster prior to insinuating underlying motives.

Janet 



I agree with you about Kermit, Janet!  No thinking required.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 01:30:51 PM
I actually agree with Edward except for the part about Kermit and us "being blind."

sorry.
I mean the world in general.. you fine people are giving it the best.
i have no idea who the frog is or is not.. i sure do not see the f.b.i. showing interest in the revaluation..


Edward ... without an invitation afforded by Aruba ... it would be considered interference in an ongoing investigation if the FBI were to attempt an active role prior to the official closing of the Natalee Holloway case.

Aruba does not want FBI involvement.  Think about it.  The coverup in the disappearance of an eighteen year old American citizen as well as all those involved in the coverup and ... all those participated in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... would be exposed .

Janet

+++++++++


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 184


Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute.


NANCY GRACE
Joran Van Der Sloot, chief suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, denies having sex with her in a lengthy interview to "A Current Affair" full of inconsistencies.
Aired September 28, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: You know, Nancy, I really don`t know, you know, as this case has gone and how frustrating it`s been and how little information we`re allowed to get, and even now, with the FBI not even able to receive a single piece of evidence. So we`ll just have to try.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/28/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 01:30:57 PM
Okay, I know Klaas cannot ethically tell us Cap's identity. That doesn't mean the rest of us cannot make educated guesses. Any takers?
My guesses, either:
1) Clyde Merian
2) Jossy
3) Dompig

How did Hotshot come to meet CapsLockWizard and why would Caps trust Hotshot?

I have no idea who Clyde Merian is, I don't believe though that Caps is any of the above.  Capslock posted on the front page of SM (12/20/07).  If I remember correctly in a front page post he inquired about the forum.  I emailed Capslock.  He started trying to decipher Shango/Simian posts.  He wanted to get info to the family.  I provided ways for him to get in touch with people that had contact with Dave and Beth (that would be Lala's and Hotshot).  I contacted those people and said FWIW, this person is in Aruba and is working on Shango/Simian (or something along those lines).  This is to the best of my recollection as it occurred approx one year ago.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 10, 2009, 01:40:47 PM
I agree.....Caps is none of the above.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 01:41:05 PM
Okay, I know Klaas cannot ethically tell us Cap's identity. That doesn't mean the rest of us cannot make educated guesses. Any takers?
My guesses, either:
1) Clyde Merian
2) Jossy
3) Dompig

How did Hotshot come to meet CapsLockWizard and why would Caps trust Hotshot?

I have no idea who Clyde Merian is, I don't believe though that Caps is any of the above.  Capslock posted on the front page of SM (12/20/07).  If I remember correctly in a front page post he inquired about the forum.  I emailed Capslock.  He started trying to decipher Shango/Simian posts.  He wanted to get info to the family.  I provided ways for him to get in touch with people that had contact with Dave and Beth (that would be Lala's and Hotshot).  I contacted those people and said FWIW, this person is in Aruba and is working on Shango/Simian (or something along those lines).  This is to the best of my recollection as it occurred approx one year ago.
So, besides an e-mail address -- you don't know who he/she is? Fair enough.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 01:54:31 PM
I actually agree with Edward except for the part about Kermit and us "being blind."

sorry.
I mean the world in general.. you fine people are giving it the best.
i have no idea who the frog is or is not.. i sure do not see the f.b.i. showing interest in the revaluation..


The "frog" has staunchly upheld the family of Natalee Holloway from the getgo in the  contention that a corrupt Aruban investigation was preventing justice from prevailing for their beloved.

Kermit's ongoing research implies that he/she has put her/his heart and soul into the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway by striving to expose the Aruban coverup agenda.

Edward ... it is very important that you attempt a little research on any poster prior to insinuating underlying motives.

Janet 



I agree with you about Kermit, Janet!  No thinking required.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 02:07:49 PM
Okay, I know Klaas cannot ethically tell us Cap's identity. That doesn't mean the rest of us cannot make educated guesses. Any takers?
My guesses, either:
1) Clyde Merian
2) Jossy
3) Dompig

How did Hotshot come to meet CapsLockWizard and why would Caps trust Hotshot?

I have no idea who Clyde Merian is, I don't believe though that Caps is any of the above.  Capslock posted on the front page of SM (12/20/07).  If I remember correctly in a front page post he inquired about the forum.  I emailed Capslock.  He started trying to decipher Shango/Simian posts.  He wanted to get info to the family.  I provided ways for him to get in touch with people that had contact with Dave and Beth (that would be Lala's and Hotshot).  I contacted those people and said FWIW, this person is in Aruba and is working on Shango/Simian (or something along those lines).  This is to the best of my recollection as it occurred approx one year ago.
So, besides an e-mail address -- you don't know who he/she is? Fair enough.

I know who they say they are and it's none you mentioned.  I have seen their website and seen a photo of the person.  I do believe I know the real life name of him but NO, I will not devulge that information just like I wouldn't devulge yours.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 02:19:27 PM
Okay, I know Klaas cannot ethically tell us Cap's identity. That doesn't mean the rest of us cannot make educated guesses. Any takers?
My guesses, either:
1) Clyde Merian
2) Jossy
3) Dompig

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

CAPSLOCKWIZARD


Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: THis is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Kyle:  Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.

Kyle:  It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 02:30:29 PM
Quote
PLEASE EVERYONE KNOW I WAS TEASING ABOUT DOMPIG BEING CAPS !!!!!!!!

I don't have a clue who Caps really is and I was just being lighthearted post some great news from my son last night
::MonkeyHaHa:: I know, but it isn't really all that far fetched!   ::MonkeyEek::

Did Hotshot interact with Capslockwizard,and if so.How much?Will look forward to answers as i'm heading out for awhile.No arrest's? ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #258 on: November 22, 2008, 02:53:44 AM »


CAPS knows Silvetti from me  Silvetti did do the pond and then they wouldnt let him back in after all the maps were made of the pond.  About Jossy, i know nothing about that.  I was the one who told CAPS to go to the ship and wait for John.  And I do know who CAPS is ... 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.240


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 10, 2009, 02:31:29 PM
Kermit is not blind. Frogs have really big, bulgy eyes  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 02:35:26 PM
Kermit is not blind. Frogs have really big, bulgy eyes  ::MonkeyCool::

You are NUTS!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later, Janet
11:35 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 10, 2009, 02:37:55 PM
Kermit is not blind. Frogs have really big, bulgy eyes  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Kermit.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 02:43:13 PM
HOTSHOT

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #249 on: November 22, 2008, 02:43:23 AM
»

Casa, I agree with you 100%.  What was John going to get anyhow if he did find Natalee?  Alot less then what he actually put into the search.  I believe in Kyle also.  If he says you can't do that kind of scanning with "that" boat, then who knows better then him?  He does that for a living.  It is totally ungrateful to even think someone would go over there for the sake of themselves.  It's dangerous to begin with.  Trust me, been there, done that.  I have been watching this for days, I am sorry, I had to pop in.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.240


++++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

JOHN SILVETTI

Kyle:
John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 02:46:16 PM
When I said Clyde Merian -- I think I meant Clyde Burke.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 02:51:38 PM
When I said Clyde Merian -- I think I meant Clyde Burke.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OK, well I know who Clyde Burke is and I hear Capslock does know him (this has bothered me some).  I have believed for some time that Clyde Burke was Simian.  I do not believe that Clyde Burke and Capslock are the same person although anything is possible.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 03:08:53 PM
HOTSHOT

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #249 on: November 22, 2008, 02:43:23 AM
»

... What was John going to get anyhow if he did find Natalee?  A lot less then what he actually put into the search.  I believe in Kyle also.  If he says you can't do that kind of scanning with "that" boat, then who knows better then him?  He does that for a living ...
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.240

++++++++++

Hotshot ... you and I did concurred on November 22, 2008.  I too believe in Kyle Kingsman in regards to his professional field of expertise.

What changed?

Janet

_____

KYLE KINGSMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:  In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle:  Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current

Kyle: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.  The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson AND Hans Mos.

Kyle: Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle said: "Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample"

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast.  John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.  That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further.  After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

++++++++

REMINDER:

Kb]Kyle Kingman’s Summary[/b]

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464

++++++++

THE ROV IMAGES

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #408 on: November 24, 2008, 03:59:08 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618
 
 
Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #410 on: November 24, 2008, 04:01:55 PM »


Photos given to the FBI sent to Dave and Robin posted on the internet are NOT the
photos posted above.  These were not given to the FBI until recently.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555621#msg555621



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 10, 2009, 03:23:00 PM
When I said Clyde Merian -- I think I meant Clyde Burke.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You were probably also thinking of poster Merian Ernest, as well, who was said to be an alternate nic for Simian, or who posted with same email, iirc. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 03:25:41 PM
When I said Clyde Merian -- I think I meant Clyde Burke.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You were probably also thinking of poster Merian Ernest, as well, who was said to be an alternate nic for Simian, or who posted with same email, iirc. 
I think you are right!  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 03:54:13 PM
KYLE KINGMAN - HIS OWN WORDS

ocean exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #709 on: March 18, 2008, 03:11:50 PM »


The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 10, 2009, 05:19:49 PM
I know who I THINK Caps is, but I can't tell because you will all think I am Nuts, lol.  ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 10, 2009, 05:31:18 PM
I know who I THINK Caps is, but I can't tell because you will all think I am Nuts, lol.  ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: OK Tell us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 10, 2009, 05:34:20 PM
I know who I THINK Caps is, but I can't tell because you will all think I am Nuts, lol.  ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyHaHa::
We're Waiting.....Please tell Us....Please!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 10, 2009, 05:37:33 PM
San.. I think that We scared Nuts off!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: blah on January 10, 2009, 05:42:51 PM
I know who I THINK Caps is, but I can't tell because you will all think I am Nuts, lol.  ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

We already think your nuts so you might as well just go ahead and tell us anyhow  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 05:50:07 PM
Posted on the front page of SM by an Aruban:

miriam wrote

Yes there is a lot of corruption in Aruba as well as in the Netherlands and in the United States.
But in Aruba we’ve got a bigger problem: we have politicians who will sell their soul, to stay in the kingdom of hell of the netherlands.
You can hear them everyday saying “tanten cu mi ta hulandes”(as long I’m dutch), or “tanten cu nos ta den reino”*aslong we’re in the kingdom)
So you yourself can sum it up:
As long as we have politicians who think like that, there will be a lot of corruption here in Aruba!

Jan 10, 4:44 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 10, 2009, 05:53:33 PM
In 'Reality' I will be locking Caylee's thread soon. We are in 'Reality' on page 97 now.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 05:56:44 PM
In 'Reality' I will be locking Caylee's thread soon. We are in 'Reality' on page 97 now.   ::MonkeyCool::

OK then in REALITY what would his real name be?  Personally I never had a very close relationship with reality.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 10, 2009, 06:01:42 PM
Oh......we are not close, lmao. He hates me.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I do not know his name. Believe me, I have tried to find out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 06:07:56 PM
Oh......we are not close, lmao. He hates me.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I do not know his name. Believe me, I have tried to find out.

NUT - I understand why you might think that but I really don't.  I really beleive I know who Capslock is and I do believe he is who he claims to be.  I just cannot be 100% certain of his motives.  I was hoping he was one of the good guys.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on January 10, 2009, 06:15:02 PM
Oh......we are not close, lmao. He hates me.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I do not know his name. Believe me, I have tried to find out.

NUT - I understand why you might think that but I really don't.  I really beleive I know who Capslock is and I do believe he is who he claims to be.  I just cannot be 100% certain of his motives.  I was hoping he was one of the good guys.

My guess is that is it none of the names that was listed earlier, but associated with one of the names.  I also would hope he is one of the good guys, but one can never be sure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on January 10, 2009, 06:17:16 PM
Don't worry NUTS - your guess didn't make me think you were any more nuts than I thought before  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 10, 2009, 06:26:11 PM
Don't worry NUTS - your guess didn't make me think you were any more nuts than I thought before  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That's ok someone else thinks we are all nuts so I stand with the nuts.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 06:28:37 PM
In 'Reality' I will be locking Caylee's thread soon. We are in 'Reality' on page 97 now.   ::MonkeyCool::

OK then in REALITY what would his real name be?  Personally I never had a very close relationship with reality.


Lately ... I have not had a close relationship with "reality".  I am honestly in a twilight zone when I attempt to comprehend why some truly believe that working with those who embrace an obvious Aruban agenda ... is a catalyst to a positive outcome.

Dave Holloway and Tim Miller do not get it!!  Mark Purcell is the enemy!  Reality is the enemy!  Dave and Tim are so easily deceived.  Discerment regarding deceptive relationships is not a part of their gentle trusting natures/characters.  Logic must enter into any equation.  In the Natalee Holloway case ... justice demands it ... closure demands it.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 10, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
In 'Reality' I will be locking Caylee's thread soon. We are in 'Reality' on page 97 now.   ::MonkeyCool::

OK then in REALITY what would his real name be?  Personally I never had a very close relationship with reality.


Lately ... I have not had a close relationship with "reality".  I am honestly in a twilight zone when I attempt to comprehend why some truly believe that working with those who embrace an obvious Aruban agenda ... is a catalyst to a positive outcome.

Dave Holloway and Tim Miller do not get it!!  Mark Purcell is the enemy!  Reality is the enemy!  Dave and Tim are so easily deceived.  Discerment regarding deceptive relationships is not a part of their gentle trusting natures/characters.  Logic must enter into any equation.  In the Natalee Holloway case ... justice demands it ... closure demands it.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
 

That's why we have so many logical and smart Monkeys.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 06:37:18 PM
In 'Reality' I will be locking Caylee's thread soon. We are in 'Reality' on page 97 now.   ::MonkeyCool::

OK then in REALITY what would his real name be?  Personally I never had a very close relationship with reality.


Lately ... I have not had a close relationship with "reality".  I am honestly in a twilight zone when I attempt to comprehend why some truly believe that working with those who embrace an obvious Aruban agenda ... is a catalyst to a positive outcome.

Dave Holloway and Tim Miller do not get it!!  Mark Purcell is the enemy!  Reality is the enemy!  Dave and Tim are so easily deceived.  Discerment regarding deceptive relationships is not a part of their gentle trusting natures/characters.  Logic must enter into any equation.  In the Natalee Holloway case ... justice demands it ... closure demands it.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
 


I agree Janet.  Dave Holloway also doesn't deserve to have people emailing and calling him with false accusations about what people are saying here at SM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 10, 2009, 06:39:35 PM
In 'Reality' I will be locking Caylee's thread soon. We are in 'Reality' on page 97 now.   ::MonkeyCool::

No I have his  real IP and I know his name, he does not live in aruba.
 I have even called him he is a teacher and  when we talked, is was it was in between classes I heard children and a school bell  to my surprise he was very nice to me this was in 2006  and yes he's in the Netherlands that is a fact.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 06:46:38 PM
IIRC Reality does not live in Aruba ... he is a teacher and resides in England.

Nevertheless ... it was his deceptive nature that implied he did live in Aruba when he wrote the following letter glorifying the island.

Janet

++++++

Quote from: Reality on June 02, 2006, 06:54:38 AM

Dear Curves,

I am truly saddened that you have allowed your fine organization to be swayed to a very small minority of hate mongers & xenophobes who for the most part have never even set foot in Aruba let alone even heard of Aruba prior to May 31st, 2005.

You’re pulling of the Aruba sweepstakes speaks volumes to a company being swayed by lies & fabrications.

As an American citizen living in Aruba for many years now let me give you a perspective that none of the “protest” emails can even come close to.

Aruba is by far the safest island destination in the Caribbean.
 
Aruba’s judicial system is based on Dutch law, world renowned as a fair and balanced system.

Aruba’s people are highly educated individuals where most here speak at least 3 to 5 languages.

Aruba has had ONE missing person in the last year, and that person may not even be a victim of a crime.

You have done your valued customers a disservice by pulling your Aruba sweepstakes by depriving them the opportunity to truly experience what an island paradise really is.

If you would like more information about the real Aruba please email at the following and I will be more than happy to set the record straight with facts not the fiction you have based your decision on to pull your Aruba Sweepstakes.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=2854.150


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 06:47:37 PM
Nut,
I don't know who caps is either, but in reality I don't think it's him; and I feel insulted for him.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on January 10, 2009, 06:56:42 PM
I think Dave and Tim "get it".  Keep your enemies closer....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 06:57:29 PM
In 'Reality' I will be locking Caylee's thread soon. We are in 'Reality' on page 97 now.   ::MonkeyCool::

OK then in REALITY what would his real name be?  Personally I never had a very close relationship with reality.


Lately ... I have not had a close relationship with "reality".  I am honestly in a twilight zone when I attempt to comprehend why some truly believe that working with those who embrace an obvious Aruban agenda ... is a catalyst to a positive outcome.

Dave Holloway and Tim Miller do not get it!!  Mark Purcell is the enemy!  Reality is the enemy!  Dave and Tim are so easily deceived.  Discerment regarding deceptive relationships is not a part of their gentle trusting natures/characters.  Logic must enter into any equation.  In the Natalee Holloway case ... justice demands it ... closure demands it.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I agree Janet.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 06:58:20 PM
Nut,
I don't know who caps is either, but in reality I don't think it's him; and I feel insulted for him.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I do not think Reality and CAPS are the same people but ... I could be wrong.  I believe that Mark Purcell is a more likely candidate.

Nevertheless ... joining forces who has a known Aruban agenda in hopes that there will be a positive outcome in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway ... is never going to happen.

Janet

______


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 10, 2009, 06:59:08 PM
I think Dave and Tim "get it".  Keep your enemies closer....

  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 10, 2009, 07:04:17 PM
In 'Reality' I will be locking Caylee's thread soon. We are in 'Reality' on page 97 now.   ::MonkeyCool::

No I have his  real IP and I know his name, he does not live in aruba.
 I have even called him he is a teacher and  when we talked, is was it was in between classes I heard children and a school bell  to my surprise he was very nice to me this was in 2006  and yes he's in the Netherlands that is a fact.


 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 07:07:09 PM
I think Dave and Tim "get it".  Keep your enemies closer....


Sleuth ... please provide the forum with ONE positive outcome of Tim and Dave joining forces with the enemy in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway.

It is my sincere believe that the last chance to bring Natalee home to rest on American soil was lost as a result of the joint John Silvetti/ALE venture of the Persistence.
 
Janet

++++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further.

After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 07:15:23 PM
1/10/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01102009AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:
iron brinkman owing to wordo saca for of parliament by of his own delegacion yesterday morning in parliament during the ultimo day of meeting tripartidario, iron brinkman owing to wordo saca for of sitting-room of parliament by of his own coleganan of delegacion dutch. this after cu the sir here owing to dicidi of insulta again miembronan of parliament of aruba y owing to deny of wing behind his insultonan. leader of the delegacion dutch, willibrord van beek owing to indica cu all the week here had various trip conmocionnan, but cu the trip here iron brinkman owing to come cu remarkenan inespera y cu was insultante in direccion of the delegacion aruban, same also of some minister individual. this owing to conduci at the schorsmento of the meeting. leader of the delegacion dutch owing to give brinkman the oportunidad for disculpa his self cu the delegacion aruban, same for disculpa his self cu the delegacion dutch by of all the problemanan cause, but past owing to deny this. for her motibo ey willibrord van beek owing to deny the pace of brinkman because; part of delegacion dutch. remainder of delegacion also owing to stop behind the decision here y owing to tell brinkman cu this not can is so y cu will continua without his presencia. according van beek, “er komt een grens dat je zegt ‘jongens, dit kan niet meer’”. have to menciona cu all the acolyte of the three delegacionnan was at please of the retiro of brinkman for of sitting-room of parliament. ady thijsen, leader of the delegacion aruban comentando on thing owing to happen owing to tell cu hour was cabando cu the pok, they had one presentacion of mr rob pietersz, procurador general of aruba cu owing to give one good presentacion. after of this owing to haci some question. after owing to come the part caminda have to owing to work on the slotverklaring, at the instant ey iron brinkman owing to ask word at chairman of parliament of aruba y so past owing to insulta miembronan of parliament of aruba. according thijsen brinkman owing to tell cu the parlamentarionan is wordo misbruik by of minister croes y also cu minister croes is lie. but thing more dolor owing to haci is the abuse contra parlamentarionan of aruba, according leader of the delegacion aruban, because the is touch integridad of they all. at instant ey thijsen owing to ask word because; leader of the delegacion aruban y owing to tell cu do not acepta esey y cu the have cu trek his words bek. hour chairman owing to pidi’e for wing his words behind, brinkman owing to deny rotundamente. after of this leader of delegacion hulandea owing to ask for schors the meeting for her talk cu his delegacion y hour past owing to come bek, owing to give one statement saying cu they owing to dicidi for saca brinkman for of they delegacion. benny sevinger, member of parliament of avp owing to comenta also on the situation here. past owing to tell cu diabierna morning brinkman owing to believe cu the can owing to haci one show hour cu pg owing to give his declaracion (“un pg stop in his zapato y dunando splicacion profesional of the work cu ministerio publico is haciendo y on the caminda positive cu the tabata”). brinkman owing to haci some question on the caso of natalee holloway cual owing to wordo contesta corectamente for pg caminda cu brinkman not had espacio for busca one conflicto for her achieve his popularidad. after cu pg y prensa owing to retira, brinkman owing to ask one sharp of ordo y owing to declara cu the is achieve minister rudy croes one gañador y cu parlamentarionan of aruba is sucumbi y is wordo using by of ministernan. according sevinger, they because; member of parliament do not acepta esey.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2009, 07:15:57 PM
Human remains. . . . .human remains. . . . .whose remains????

And why will we never know for sure?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 07:17:54 PM
Human remains. . . . .human remains. . . . .whose remains????

And why will we never know for sure?



Exactly!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2009, 07:20:04 PM
With the exception of Jossy, and I am not 100% sure about him but continue to have faith in him anyway, I don't think there has been one soul from Aruba who truly desired to help obtain justice for Natalee and her family.  Sorry, sooner or later they have shown their true colors one place or another.

They do not seem to see this as justice and injustice but US against THEM kind of like a soccer match.

It's about right versus wrong and not geographical locations.  I want justice for Caylee in Florida just the same as for Natalee in Aruba.  But it seems to the Arubans, it is different.  They seem much more territorial or something.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 07:21:02 PM
1/10/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01102009AweMaintaPg2_2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:
iron brinkman owing to give one conseho of voto: not vote for none faction cu is y was in gobierno
yesterday afternoon the declaration of policy popular, people at word at canal 90, dirigi for stanley arends, owing to succeed of achieve the controversial member of parliament of pvv, iron brinkman for talk cune, cu owing to being haci can medio of karel arends. p’e ocasión here, stanley arends owing to invita also we director toko winklaar for is present, cu the aim for show the politico dutch here, cu all thing the is come is acusa aruba of dje, is for serve his aim. because de facto, iron brinkman not had the corahe for menciona cu hechos, is at that y/of kendenan the is referi hour the is talk of is corupto. the not have nothing of proof, more the is talk of raportnan cu the have. can conclui, cu the have his own agenda, but the form cu the is haci’e, y spite name of aruba y also of antiyas in kingdom, but thing owing to haci’e worse also the.o. at merca, esey assure do not aceptable. can owing to conclui cu iron brinkman have very problem cu the.o. minister rudy croes, that past owing to calling for one mentiroso y that not merece none clase of confianza. but also brinkman owing to deal of acusa we society, for his silencio for all thing cu is tumando lugar, even owing to bay so far of tell cu mafia owing to penetra even in some cadena renombre of hotel, but again without wanted menciona name. at end, iron brinkman, although the is tell of does not mete in asuntonan local, owing to give of conoce cu people in proximo eleccion not have to vote for partidonan politico, cu owing to arrive of form part of gobierno end, but vote for partidonan new, cu not have mancha on they. esey nifica cu brinkman, dunando his conseho of voice is tell for vote for democracia regal, for mpa y/of for red y for all another faction new cu can come still. iron brinkman, for we is stay one person cu wanted atencion, but cu like lastra person, without have proof in hand. thing we of awemainta is wait for if, cu we politiconan have cu saca they som, cu all thing they're declara here, is wordo using for hendenan as iron brinkman. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on January 10, 2009, 07:26:25 PM
Sorry Tamikosmom for the delay in responding to your question - I was off checking out Splat's comment regarding good news but with a twist (Scrux - Thursday)...
Sleuth ... please provide the forum with ONE positive outcome of Tim and Dave joining forces with the enemy in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway.

I would say one positive was their abiliity to even set foot back on the island to look for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2009, 07:26:58 PM

Hero,

Love the Palm Tree shirt!  No one would ever suspect you are a tourist in that.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 10, 2009, 07:28:34 PM
Seems pretty quiet tonight. I'm going to shut down early and watch some tv. I'll be in early am and should be around most of the day tomorrow. Have a good night all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 07:29:03 PM
Sorry Tamikosmom for the delay in responding to your question - I was off checking out Splat's comment regarding good news but with a twist (Scrux - Thursday)...
Sleuth ... please provide the forum with ONE positive outcome of Tim and Dave joining forces with the enemy in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway.

I would say one positive was their abiliity to even set foot back on the island to look for Natalee.

... and the positive outcome was what??

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on January 10, 2009, 07:29:15 PM
Have a good weekend everyone.  Bye for now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 07:30:30 PM
Seems pretty quiet tonight. I'm going to shut down early and watch some tv. I'll be in early am and should be around most of the day tomorrow. Have a good night all.

Good Night Nut and ... thanks.

Janet





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 07:31:27 PM
1/10/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/01102009AweMaintaFP_2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:
another boa big was diahuebs night, cu some inhabitant of san barbola, did take notice of one bao big was cruzando caminda y owing to beat alarma of immediate. one ciudadano owing to tell, cu first of calling park rangers for come recoge the boa here, is mihor cuminsa at elimina they. boa-nan is birando of more end at aruba. so self, have some young, cu not was nothing of acuerdo for kill the boa here, y even owing to ofende esnan cu owing to haci’e. they wanted owing to bay even cu the boa. pakico we not know, but was wordo tell n’e sitio, for can sell. but sell cu that? this is one of tanto boa-nan cu owing to being achieve y kill ultimamente at aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 10, 2009, 07:32:13 PM
Good Night Sleuth and Nut!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on January 10, 2009, 07:32:42 PM
Sorry Tamikosmom for the delay in responding to your question - I was off checking out Splat's comment regarding good news but with a twist (Scrux - Thursday)...
Sleuth ... please provide the forum with ONE positive outcome of Tim and Dave joining forces with the enemy in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway.

I would say one positive was their abiliity to even set foot back on the island to look for Natalee.

... and the positive outcome was what??

Janet

The positive outcome was not being blocked from entering the country.

Now I agree that the only true positive outcome in this entire 3.5+ year nightmare would be if Natalee would be brought home. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on January 10, 2009, 07:34:26 PM
I did not want to leave without responding to Tamikosmon, but now that I have I really do need to go.  Good night all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 07:35:26 PM
1/10/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/01102009AweMaintaFP.jpg)

1/10/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page:
Papiamentu translation:
yesterday was one day dark for aruba, in barely 9 day cu owing to open year new aruba is conoce two dead in trafico. the trafico insigur cu is queen we careteranan owing to cobra his first victima ayeramainta at ponton where one young father of barely 23 year will have to owing to accidenta cu his brommer. in almenos 14 hour after one another victima owing to cai but the trip here at san nicolaas near of paulus school one anciano of sexo masculino will have to owing to wordo alcansa for one car color blauw. is deal here of joseph davis ditter naci at nevis 18 of december 1920 residencia at bellisimastraat 16. dr. ho-kan-you owing to constata dead at arrival of hospital. weekend barely owing to open, cu this is one advertencia at all esnan cu will atende fakkel tonight, for comporta they self during parada y also in trafico, always as cuenta cu alcohol y gasoline do not one good combinacion less behind stuur. at family y amigonan of both victima we words of deep condolencia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 07:37:36 PM


Goodnight Nut and Sleuth!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 10, 2009, 07:40:29 PM
Seems pretty quiet tonight. I'm going to shut down early and watch some tv. I'll be in early am and should be around most of the day tomorrow. Have a good night all.

Have a good night, yourself, Nut.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 07:42:40 PM
Texasman and ... all who are attending the frog's interrogation session at Tamikosmom's home pPack warm clothing.  It is again snowing and snowing and snowing in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia.  BRRRR.

Maybe bring along a boat ... to combat the flooding conditions that has resulted from melting snow in the last few days.  Our property is OK but ... my daughter and family are stranded in their home in the upper area of the Valley.  A subsidiary of the Fraser River that run through thier property has overflowed and water on the small bridge is up to the handles of their vehicles.  Thankfully ... their home was build on higher ground.

For those who are planning on braving the elements ... I will have hot Tim Horton's coffee brewing and ... some chilli, salad and buns to go along with the sushi rolls, carrot cake and Kermit's Grandma's shoofly pie.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 10, 2009, 07:43:17 PM
Another horrid photo on the FP of awemainta of one of the accident victims.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 07:51:48 PM
Sorry Tamikosmom for the delay in responding to your question - I was off checking out Splat's comment regarding good news but with a twist (Scrux - Thursday)...
Sleuth ... please provide the forum with ONE positive outcome of Tim and Dave joining forces with the enemy in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway.

I would say one positive was their abiliity to even set foot back on the island to look for Natalee.

... and the positive outcome was what??

Janet

The positive outcome was not being blocked from entering the country.

Now I agree that the only true positive outcome in this entire 3.5+ year nightmare would be if Natalee would be brought home. 

Thanks Sleuth.

Janet

_______


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »


We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 07:57:23 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Hubby and I are braving the elements ... picking up a neighbourhood couple in our truck (4 wheel drive) and ... headed for our favorite Chinese restaurance.

If I have anything to do with it ... a game or two of Scabble is where it is at later.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 07:59:01 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Hubby and I are braving the elements ... picking up a neighbourhood couple in our truck (4 wheel drive) and ... headed for our favorite Chinese restaurant.

If I have anything to do with it ... a game or two of Scrabble is where it is at later.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet
5:00 PM PT


I did a some editing ... lots of typos.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 08:11:19 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Hubby and I are braving the elements ... picking up a neighbourhood couple in our truck (4 wheel drive) and ... headed for our favorite Chinese restaurant.

If I have anything to do with it ... a game or two of Scrabble is where it is at later.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet
5:00 PM PT


I did a some editing ... lots of typos.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a nice evening, and be very careful out there!  I wish you would stay home, make a sandwich, and play games.  You and hubby are daredevils to brave that weather!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2009, 08:18:12 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Hubby and I are braving the elements ... picking up a neighbourhood couple in our truck (4 wheel drive) and ... headed for our favorite Chinese restaurant.

If I have anything to do with it ... a game or two of Scrabble is where it is at later.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet
5:00 PM PT


I did a some editing ... lots of typos.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a nice evening, and be very careful out there!  I wish you would stay home, make a sandwich, and play games.  You and hubby are daredevils to brave that weather!



We are also getting on each other's nerves couped up inside the house all day.  It bothers hubby more than me.  Other people will definitely relieve the tension.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am waiting to hear the truck motor reving in the driveway prior to going out in that cold.  I am all bundled up except for gloves at the moment.  Hopefully ... it will be warm inside the vehicle.

Thanks texasmom.

Janet
5:15 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2009, 08:27:43 PM
Going out for a bit but is over 60 degrees here in Alabama so no snow.

I will be sure to check back in before going to bed, however, to see if the arrest of major player has been made yet.  It could still happen on a weekend.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 08:28:46 PM
Going out for a bit but is over 60 degrees here in Alabama so no snow.

I will be sure to check back in before going to bed, however, to see if the arrest of major player has been made yet.  It could still happen on a weekend.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



80 degrees here today in Southern California  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 08:35:01 PM
Fakkel Optocht Live 2009

http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/35/52/

Parade has begun.  Earlier, they had an English speaking person invite everyone "especially" those in the U.S.A. who would like to come and join in the fun!  For next year, but there is also plenty of time to come for this year!

 ::MonkeyRoll::   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 08:36:03 PM
Going out for a bit but is over 60 degrees here in Alabama so no snow.

I will be sure to check back in before going to bed, however, to see if the arrest of major player has been made yet.  It could still happen on a weekend.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



80 degrees here today in Southern California  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

I had air conditioning on yesterday, forecast for tonight....in the 20's.   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 10, 2009, 08:42:39 PM
Nut,
I don't know who caps is either, but in reality I don't think it's him; and I feel insulted for him.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I do not think Reality and CAPS are the same people but ... I could be wrong.  I believe that Mark Purcell is a more likely candidate.

Nevertheless ... joining forces who has a known Aruban agenda in hopes that there will be a positive outcome in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway ... is never going to happen.

Janet

______


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

No I don't think  it's him MIP6 uses windows XP
Caps uses windows Operating System Microsoft WinNT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 10, 2009, 08:46:59 PM
Oh by the way, were having a snow storm here and Ice tomorrow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 08:53:52 PM
Oh by the way, were having a snow storm here and Ice tomorrow.

Yes San was getting ready to shovel some snow  ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 10, 2009, 09:02:05 PM
Nut,
I don't know who caps is either, but in reality I don't think it's him; and I feel insulted for him.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I do not think Reality and CAPS are the same people but ... I could be wrong.  I believe that Mark Purcell is a more likely candidate.

Nevertheless ... joining forces who has a known Aruban agenda in hopes that there will be a positive outcome in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway ... is never going to happen.

Janet

______


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

No I don't think  it's him MIP6 uses windows XP
Caps uses windows Operating System Microsoft WinNT


Interesting.  I don't know anybody that uses NT, except on a server.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 09:29:11 PM
Nut,
I don't know who caps is either, but in reality I don't think it's him; and I feel insulted for him.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I do not think Reality and CAPS are the same people but ... I could be wrong.  I believe that Mark Purcell is a more likely candidate.

Nevertheless ... joining forces who has a known Aruban agenda in hopes that there will be a positive outcome in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway ... is never going to happen.

Janet

______


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

No I don't think  it's him MIP6 uses windows XP
Caps uses windows Operating System Microsoft WinNT


Interesting.  I don't know anybody that uses NT, except on a server.
Straight from AHATA offices ?  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 10, 2009, 09:35:12 PM
Nut,
I don't know who caps is either, but in reality I don't think it's him; and I feel insulted for him.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I do not think Reality and CAPS are the same people but ... I could be wrong.  I believe that Mark Purcell is a more likely candidate.

Nevertheless ... joining forces who has a known Aruban agenda in hopes that there will be a positive outcome in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway ... is never going to happen.

Janet

______


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

No I don't think  it's him MIP6 uses windows XP
Caps uses windows Operating System Microsoft WinNT


Interesting.  I don't know anybody that uses NT, except on a server.
Straight from AHATA offices ?  ::MonkeyRoll::

Well NT is outdated.  Not sure how up to date the Aruban businesses or police keep their servers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
Nut,
I don't know who caps is either, but in reality I don't think it's him; and I feel insulted for him.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I do not think Reality and CAPS are the same people but ... I could be wrong.  I believe that Mark Purcell is a more likely candidate.

Nevertheless ... joining forces who has a known Aruban agenda in hopes that there will be a positive outcome in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway ... is never going to happen.

Janet

______


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

No I don't think  it's him MIP6 uses windows XP
Caps uses windows Operating System Microsoft WinNT


Interesting.  I don't know anybody that uses NT, except on a server.
Straight from AHATA offices ?  ::MonkeyRoll::

Well NT is outdated.  Not sure how up to date the Aruban businesses or police keep their servers.
Yep, but the fact he is using a "server" hints that he is not on a "home" computer!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 10, 2009, 09:43:08 PM
Nut,
I don't know who caps is either, but in reality I don't think it's him; and I feel insulted for him.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I do not think Reality and CAPS are the same people but ... I could be wrong.  I believe that Mark Purcell is a more likely candidate.

Nevertheless ... joining forces who has a known Aruban agenda in hopes that there will be a positive outcome in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway ... is never going to happen.

Janet

______


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

No I don't think  it's him MIP6 uses windows XP
Caps uses windows Operating System Microsoft WinNT


Interesting.  I don't know anybody that uses NT, except on a server.
Straight from AHATA offices ?  ::MonkeyRoll::

Well NT is outdated.  Not sure how up to date the Aruban businesses or police keep their servers.
Yep, but the fact he is using a "server" hints that he is not on a "home" computer!

I agree.  It's ot likely to be the hotels, becuase when your business depends on your systems, you tend to keep them up to date.  Government entities often don't nor do schools.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 09:51:12 PM
I would like to caution that the moderators here at Scaredmonkeys cannot see the posters IP addresses, so if Blonde has IP information on Caps it's because she is guessing it from the site meter just like anyone else could do.  I'm just saying that there's no guarantee it's Caps if that is how she determined the computer he is using.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 10, 2009, 09:52:45 PM
I would like to caution that the moderators here at Scaredmonkeys cannot see the posters IP addresses, so if Blonde has IP information on Caps it's because she is guessing it from the site meter just like anyone else could do.  I'm just saying that there's no guarantee it's Caps if that is how she determined the computer he is using.


Where is she getting his OS?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 10, 2009, 09:53:17 PM
Nut,
I don't know who caps is either, but in reality I don't think it's him; and I feel insulted for him.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I do not think Reality and CAPS are the same people but ... I could be wrong.  I believe that Mark Purcell is a more likely candidate.

Nevertheless ... joining forces who has a known Aruban agenda in hopes that there will be a positive outcome in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway ... is never going to happen.

Janet

______


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

No I don't think  it's him MIP6 uses windows XP
Caps uses windows Operating System Microsoft WinNT


Yes, Windows NT 6.0  - Release date Feb. 27, 2008....not sure but I think it's Vista. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 10, 2009, 09:56:34 PM
I would like to caution that the moderators here at Scaredmonkeys cannot see the posters IP addresses, so if Blonde has IP information on Caps it's because she is guessing it from the site meter just like anyone else could do.  I'm just saying that there's no guarantee it's Caps if that is how she determined the computer he is using.


Yes, my last post was based on the sitemeter and my guess that the details were Caps.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 09:57:16 PM
I would like to caution that the moderators here at Scaredmonkeys cannot see the posters IP addresses, so if Blonde has IP information on Caps it's because she is guessing it from the site meter just like anyone else could do.  I'm just saying that there's no guarantee it's Caps if that is how she determined the computer he is using.


Where is she getting his OS?

If you look at the SITE METER and then look at the DETAILS it will give you that information on the IP  and computer the person is posting or lurking from.  It does not tell you who the poster is and the location may be just a nearby location vs. an actual address.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 10, 2009, 09:58:07 PM
Nut,
I don't know who caps is either, but in reality I don't think it's him; and I feel insulted for him.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I do not think Reality and CAPS are the same people but ... I could be wrong.  I believe that Mark Purcell is a more likely candidate.

Nevertheless ... joining forces who has a known Aruban agenda in hopes that there will be a positive outcome in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway ... is never going to happen.

Janet

______


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

No I don't think  it's him MIP6 uses windows XP
Caps uses windows Operating System Microsoft WinNT


Yes, Windows NT 6.0  - Release date Feb. 27, 2008....not sure but I think it's Vista. 



NT 6.0 is Vista and would not be on a server.  I've never heard anybody refer to Vista as NT 6.0.  XP was NT 5.0, but nobody ever calls it that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 09:58:45 PM
ALSO - do not forget that the Site Meter covers the front page lurkers as well, not just those viewing the forum. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 10:00:24 PM
ALSO - do not forget that the Site Meter covers the front page lurkers as well, not just those viewing the forum. 
Even though one is " .net " and the other is " .com " ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 10, 2009, 10:03:03 PM
ALSO - do not forget that the Site Meter covers the front page lurkers as well, not just those viewing the forum. 

The information I based my post on was checked as to where the poster entered and stayed for a period of time.  The only exits at that instance was to read within the forum.  I look at that when I am in there, and that is seldom, for the record.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 10, 2009, 10:03:39 PM
There's no OS info on the Sitemeter.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 10:04:05 PM
In 'Reality' I will be locking Caylee's thread soon. We are in 'Reality' on page 97 now.   ::MonkeyCool::

OK then in REALITY what would his real name be?  Personally I never had a very close relationship with reality.


Lately ... I have not had a close relationship with "reality".  I am honestly in a twilight zone when I attempt to comprehend why some truly believe that working with those who embrace an obvious Aruban agenda ... is a catalyst to a positive outcome.

Dave Holloway and Tim Miller do not get it!!  Mark Purcell is the enemy!  Reality is the enemy!  Dave and Tim are so easily deceived.  Discerment regarding deceptive relationships is not a part of their gentle trusting natures/characters.  Logic must enter into any equation.  In the Natalee Holloway case ... justice demands it ... closure demands it.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
 


I agree Janet.  Dave Holloway also doesn't deserve to have people emailing and calling him with false accusations about what people are saying here at SM.

I don't know who's quote this is but it seems to fit the situation:  "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer".   I don't think Tim and Dave are necessarily so easily deceived as much as they will do whatever it takes to try to get answers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: AZLady on January 10, 2009, 10:04:17 PM
Evening, Monkeys.  I read back a ways, and I see that no arrest occurred this week.  I'm not surprised, really.  So what else is new? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 10, 2009, 10:07:53 PM
There's no OS info on the Sitemeter.
Yes -- if you click on the # under "Detail"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 10:08:43 PM
Evening, Monkeys.  I read back a ways, and I see that no arrest occurred this week.  I'm not surprised, really.  So what else is new? 

Nothing new  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 10:09:56 PM
ALSO - do not forget that the Site Meter covers the front page lurkers as well, not just those viewing the forum. 
Even though one is " .net " and the other is " .com " ?

Yes, it's my understanding it's all on the same server and the site meter is for the server.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 10, 2009, 10:16:16 PM
There's an NT on now with no version.  The Browser is too new to work with NT so it must be Vista.  XP shows up as XP.  So perhaps CAPS is not on a server after all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 10:31:17 PM
When I said Clyde Merian -- I think I meant Clyde Burke.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OK, well I know who Clyde Burke is and I hear Capslock does know him (this has bothered me some).  I have believed for some time that Clyde Burke was Simian.  I do not believe that Clyde Burke and Capslock are the same person although anything is possible.

Maybe it is possible.  The way Caps writes reminds me so much of Simian.  Other monkeys have noted that as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 10, 2009, 10:35:25 PM
When I said Clyde Merian -- I think I meant Clyde Burke.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OK, well I know who Clyde Burke is and I hear Capslock does know him (this has bothered me some).  I have believed for some time that Clyde Burke was Simian.  I do not believe that Clyde Burke and Capslock are the same person although anything is possible.

Maybe it is possible.  The way Caps writes reminds me so much of Simian.  Other monkeys have noted that as well.

Or maybe Simian's brother.....who had a "vision".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: AZLady on January 10, 2009, 10:42:41 PM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 10, 2009, 10:45:46 PM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

Well said. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 10:47:32 PM
At this point I hate to even point this out, but Private Eye is relying on Kyle's statements, so the fact that Private Eye thinks "the game is fixed" based on Kyle's statements doesn't prove anything.  I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm just pointing out the flaws in the logic here. (Sorry, I can't help but notice these things because I am trained this way from my work).


No Private Eye mentioned the contents in context that surprised Kyle.  That is when the posts got really interesting.  Private Eye had totally independent access to the information which Kyle had not anticipated.  He was calling Beth's attention to the inconsistencies.  His information was never based on Kyle alone and so he could see that things were not as they should have been.

Verrry interesting, that's the type of independent verification I am looking for.  (I'm pretty sure I know who PE is, I've seen it posted here).  I remember how interesting Private Eye's posts were at that time, but I haven't read them for a while.  I will go back and re-read.  Do you have a link to some of those pages, or remember what month that was going on?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 10, 2009, 10:51:54 PM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

There is only one riddler.

(http://bedazzled.blogs.com/bedazzled/images/frank_gorshin_riddler1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 10:52:21 PM

(snipped)

At this point I hate to even point this out, but Private Eye is relying on Kyle's statements, so the fact that Private Eye thinks "the game is fixed" based on Kyle's statements doesn't prove anything.  I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm just pointing out the flaws in the logic here. (Sorry, I can't help but notice these things because I am trained this way from my work).

If you want flaws in logic - try Caps version of logic.  His logic changed every time he read contradictory posts here.
(Trained in logic and common sense also for my work)

I always got a kick out of that.  He's all over the place!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 10, 2009, 10:52:54 PM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

Well said. ::MonkeyDance::

As usual.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 10:54:04 PM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

There is only one riddler.

(http://bedazzled.blogs.com/bedazzled/images/frank_gorshin_riddler1.jpg)

Great pic, but what about Jim Carrey's riddler?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: AZLady on January 10, 2009, 10:56:50 PM
At this point I hate to even point this out, but Private Eye is relying on Kyle's statements, so the fact that Private Eye thinks "the game is fixed" based on Kyle's statements doesn't prove anything.  I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm just pointing out the flaws in the logic here. (Sorry, I can't help but notice these things because I am trained this way from my work).


No Private Eye mentioned the contents in context that surprised Kyle.  That is when the posts got really interesting.  Private Eye had totally independent access to the information which Kyle had not anticipated.  He was calling Beth's attention to the inconsistencies.  His information was never based on Kyle alone and so he could see that things were not as they should have been.

Verrry interesting, that's the type of independent verification I am looking for.  (I'm pretty sure I know who PE is, I've seen it posted here).  I remember how interesting Private Eye's posts were at that time, but I haven't read them for a while.  I will go back and re-read.  Do you have a link to some of those pages, or remember what month that was going on?
It was March 2008, I believe.  Someone else can probably be more exact.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 10:56:59 PM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

Well said. ::MonkeyDance::

As usual.

I agree; I am automatically suspicious of all the riddlers.  (And annoyed!)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 10, 2009, 10:58:22 PM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

There is only one riddler.

(http://bedazzled.blogs.com/bedazzled/images/frank_gorshin_riddler1.jpg)

Great pic, but what about Jim Carrey's riddler?

I did not like Jim Carey.  I am a fan of the old Batman series.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 10:58:24 PM
At this point I hate to even point this out, but Private Eye is relying on Kyle's statements, so the fact that Private Eye thinks "the game is fixed" based on Kyle's statements doesn't prove anything.  I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm just pointing out the flaws in the logic here. (Sorry, I can't help but notice these things because I am trained this way from my work).


No Private Eye mentioned the contents in context that surprised Kyle.  That is when the posts got really interesting.  Private Eye had totally independent access to the information which Kyle had not anticipated.  He was calling Beth's attention to the inconsistencies.  His information was never based on Kyle alone and so he could see that things were not as they should have been.

Verrry interesting, that's the type of independent verification I am looking for.  (I'm pretty sure I know who PE is, I've seen it posted here).  I remember how interesting Private Eye's posts were at that time, but I haven't read them for a while.  I will go back and re-read.  Do you have a link to some of those pages, or remember what month that was going on?
It was March 2008, I believe.  Someone else can probably be more exact.

Thanks, I was thinking it was around then.  I'll be able to find it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 10, 2009, 10:59:44 PM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

There is only one riddler.

(http://bedazzled.blogs.com/bedazzled/images/frank_gorshin_riddler1.jpg)

Great pic, but what about Jim Carrey's riddler?

Doesn't count.  Too newfangled.  Logic told me that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2009, 11:01:55 PM
I have always found it extremely distasteful to play riddles and games about somebody's missing and likely deceased child.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 11:02:22 PM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

There is only one riddler.

(http://bedazzled.blogs.com/bedazzled/images/frank_gorshin_riddler1.jpg)

Great pic, but what about Jim Carrey's riddler?

I did not like Jim Carey.  I am a fan of the old Batman series.

I met the original TV show Robin at a supermarket in my college town of Carbondale, Illinois. (Lots of years ago!)  He had a little table set up in the store and was signing autographs.  He didn't draw much of a crowd; I felt so bad for him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: AZLady on January 10, 2009, 11:04:01 PM
I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 11:04:15 PM
FYI

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Hearings
01/26/2009 at 08:30 am  in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (Further Interrogatory Responsesand Production of Documents (4);2) Second Motion to Dismiss andRequest for Terminating Sanctions3) Case Management Conference)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 11:05:44 PM
When I said Clyde Merian -- I think I meant Clyde Burke.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OK, well I know who Clyde Burke is and I hear Capslock does know him (this has bothered me some).  I have believed for some time that Clyde Burke was Simian.  I do not believe that Clyde Burke and Capslock are the same person although anything is possible.

Maybe it is possible.  The way Caps writes reminds me so much of Simian.  Other monkeys have noted that as well.

Or maybe Simian's brother.....who had a "vision".

Yep, they seem to be linked somehow.  Just a feeling, but can't shake it...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 10, 2009, 11:06:43 PM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

There is only one riddler.

(http://bedazzled.blogs.com/bedazzled/images/frank_gorshin_riddler1.jpg)

Great pic, but what about Jim Carrey's riddler?

I did not like Jim Carey.  I am a fan of the old Batman series.

I met the original TV show Robin at a supermarket in my college town of Carbondale, Illinois. (Lots of years ago!)  He had a little table set up in the store and was signing autographs.  He didn't draw much of a crowd; I felt so bad for him.

LOLOL....Poor guy.  He is one guy you hardly see around.  I have seen Adam West on TV and I know Adam West does a lot of voices for cartoons.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 10, 2009, 11:07:48 PM
I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

I agree AZLady.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2009, 11:08:15 PM
FYI

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Hearings
01/26/2009 at 08:30 am  in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (Further Interrogatory Responsesand Production of Documents (4);2) Second Motion to Dismiss andRequest for Terminating Sanctions3) Case Management Conference)




Thanks Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: AZLady on January 10, 2009, 11:09:33 PM
I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

I agree AZLady.
So, how does Interpol get involved in a case?  Anyone know?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 10, 2009, 11:09:52 PM
When I said Clyde Merian -- I think I meant Clyde Burke.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OK, well I know who Clyde Burke is and I hear Capslock does know him (this has bothered me some).  I have believed for some time that Clyde Burke was Simian.  I do not believe that Clyde Burke and Capslock are the same person although anything is possible.

Maybe it is possible.  The way Caps writes reminds me so much of Simian.  Other monkeys have noted that as well.

Or maybe Simian's brother.....who had a "vision".

Yep, they seem to be linked somehow.  Just a feeling, but can't shake it...

Maybe they are linked because Caps is Clyde Burke's brother?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: AZLady on January 10, 2009, 11:11:01 PM
FYI

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Hearings
01/26/2009 at 08:30 am  in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (Further Interrogatory Responsesand Production of Documents (4);2) Second Motion to Dismiss andRequest for Terminating Sanctions3) Case Management Conference)




Thanks Klaas!

I can hardly believe this case is still in the motion filing stage.  Those lawyers for the Kalpoes are really going on adrenaline.  Amazing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 11:12:22 PM
I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

I agree.  The Dutch are looking out for the "Aruban Dutch".  I'm sure if they could have pinned this on the Kalpoes, but still let Joran off the hook, they would have. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: AZLady on January 10, 2009, 11:16:36 PM
I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

I agree.  The Dutch are looking out for the "Aruban Dutch".  I'm sure if they could have pinned this on the Kalpoes, but still let Joran off the hook, they would have. 
Of course.  The Kalpoes know enough to ensure their safety, and they will not speak what they know. 

I've always said "follow the money" in this case.  I still believe this.  Huge money amounts go through Aruba.  No one is immune to this kind of money. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 11:17:52 PM
When I said Clyde Merian -- I think I meant Clyde Burke.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OK, well I know who Clyde Burke is and I hear Capslock does know him (this has bothered me some).  I have believed for some time that Clyde Burke was Simian.  I do not believe that Clyde Burke and Capslock are the same person although anything is possible.

Maybe it is possible.  The way Caps writes reminds me so much of Simian.  Other monkeys have noted that as well.

Or maybe Simian's brother.....who had a "vision".

Yep, they seem to be linked somehow.  Just a feeling, but can't shake it...

Maybe they are linked because Caps is Clyde Burke's brother?

I don't know enough about these characters to know really who is who, but it wasn't just the broken English that made the Simian and Caps writing seem similar to me; it was the use of metaphors in their writings.  I think they are called metaphors.  I was not good at high school English grammar.  I'll try to find an example when I get a chance.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 11:19:33 PM
I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

I agree.  The Dutch are looking out for the "Aruban Dutch".  I'm sure if they could have pinned this on the Kalpoes, but still let Joran off the hook, they would have. 
Of course.  The Kalpoes know enough to ensure their safety, and they will not speak what they know. 

I've always said "follow the money" in this case.  I still believe this.  Huge money amounts go through Aruba.  No one is immune to this kind of money. 

Yep, unfortunately, it's always about money.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: AZLady on January 10, 2009, 11:20:28 PM
I know what you mean.  "Babylon" is a metaphor of sorts, but is also well known in the Caribbean.  I did some research years ago about the Rastafarian references, too.  In the long run, I think the Simian character is quite familiar with the Caribbean folklore, politics, and history.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 10, 2009, 11:26:31 PM
Clyde Burke is an ALE officer.  He is thought to be Simian and Merian Ernest.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2009, 11:27:33 PM
Clyde Burke is an ALE officer.  He is thought to be Simian and Merian Ernest.



Yes, that is my belief


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2009, 11:27:49 PM
I know what you mean.  "Babylon" is a metaphor of sorts, but is also well known in the Caribbean.  I did some research years ago about the Rastafarian references, too.  In the long run, I think the Simian character is quite familiar with the Caribbean folklore, politics, and history.  


And Marvel Comics X Men and Wolverine Series.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 11:28:20 PM
KYLE KINGMAN - HIS OWN WORDS

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #709 on: March 18, 2008, 03:11:50 PM »


The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700




Do FBI investigations ever become public record?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2009, 11:35:14 PM
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The Elders, Babylonians, Rave, House of Rave. streets of gold bricks, it's all in there.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 11:39:30 PM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.


But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.
I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

Caps definitely has good English, then bad English days, but Caps types way too fast to be Dompig.  Doesn't Dompig seem like everything he does, he does slowly?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 10, 2009, 11:54:38 PM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.


But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.
I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

Caps definitely has good English, then bad English days, but Caps types way too fast to be Dompig.  Doesn't Dompig seem like everything he does, he does slowly?

Iris, I am almost afraid to post to you...don't want you to get bashed for posting with me. But it is pretty common knowledge that private eye is Beth's brother, or at least that is what I have been lead to believe. The posts he made were during and right after the Persistance endeavor, I haven't noticed any new ones in quite awhile.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 10, 2009, 11:56:45 PM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.


But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.
I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

Caps definitely has good English, then bad English days, but Caps types way too fast to be Dompig.  Doesn't Dompig seem like everything he does, he does slowly?

Iris, I am almost afraid to post to you...don't want you to get bashed for posting with me. But it is pretty common knowledge that private eye is Beth's brother, or at least that is what I have been lead to believe. The posts he made were during and right after the Persistance endeavor, I haven't noticed any new ones in quite awhile.

Private Eye did stop in not to long ago but didn't post!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 10, 2009, 11:59:20 PM
The following is from Freddy's statement from Joran's book:

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.

Are there any other of Freddy's statements here on SM?  At the end of Beth's book she discusses De Vries' theory that Natalee was taken to Joran's house.  My main question is: Where was Freddy (and his camera) when Joran and the Kalpoes were at C & C's?  Was he at Joran's setting up his camera?  Also, were his parents ever interviewed to find out when Freddy got home that night?  I know some of you have probably looked into all this already, but I missed all that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 10, 2009, 11:59:42 PM
I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

Great post AZ...have to give it a big AMEN. We need someone objective like Interpole to get anywhere in this case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 12:01:31 AM
The following is from Freddy's statement from Joran's book:

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.

Are there any other of Freddy's statements here on SM?  At the end of Beth's book she discusses De Vries' theory that Natalee was taken to Joran's house.  My main question is: Where was Freddy (and his camera) when Joran and the Kalpoes were at C & C's?  Was he at Joran's setting up his camera?  Also, were his parents ever interviewed to find out when Freddy got home that night?  I know some of you have probably looked into all this already, but I missed all that.


This Definitely has potential and i believe has been discussed before!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 12:03:06 AM
The following is from Freddy's statement from Joran's book:

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.

Are there any other of Freddy's statements here on SM?  At the end of Beth's book she discusses De Vries' theory that Natalee was taken to Joran's house.  My main question is: Where was Freddy (and his camera) when Joran and the Kalpoes were at C & C's?  Was he at Joran's setting up his camera?  Also, were his parents ever interviewed to find out when Freddy got home that night?  I know some of you have probably looked into all this already, but I missed all that.


This Definitely has potential and i believe has been discussed before!

Yes, discussed at length over two years ago and probably before that.  Definately a possibility IMO.  Not to mention that in the Kalpoes statements they mention returning Freddy's camera to him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 11, 2009, 12:03:07 AM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.


But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.
I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

Caps definitely has good English, then bad English days, but Caps types way too fast to be Dompig.  Doesn't Dompig seem like everything he does, he does slowly?

Iris, I am almost afraid to post to you...don't want you to get bashed for posting with me. But it is pretty common knowledge that private eye is Beth's brother, or at least that is what I have been lead to believe. The posts he made were during and right after the Persistance endeavor, I haven't noticed any new ones in quite awhile.

Private Eye did stop in not to long ago but didn't post!

I agree. I saw him stop in, but as I mentioned, I have not seen him post in quite some time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 11, 2009, 12:05:22 AM
The following is from Freddy's statement from Joran's book:

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.

Are there any other of Freddy's statements here on SM?  At the end of Beth's book she discusses De Vries' theory that Natalee was taken to Joran's house.  My main question is: Where was Freddy (and his camera) when Joran and the Kalpoes were at C & C's?  Was he at Joran's setting up his camera?  Also, were his parents ever interviewed to find out when Freddy got home that night?  I know some of you have probably looked into all this already, but I missed all that.


This Definitely has potential and i believe has been discussed before!

Yes, discussed at length over two years ago and probably before that.  Definately a possibility IMO.  Not to mention that in the Kalpoes statements they mention returning Freddy's camera to him.

There is truth in every lie...and this is something that has been repeated for almost 4 years in one form or another by joran...I think there is a lot of truth to this statement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 11, 2009, 12:05:23 AM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.


But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.
I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

Caps definitely has good English, then bad English days, but Caps types way too fast to be Dompig.  Doesn't Dompig seem like everything he does, he does slowly?

Iris, I am almost afraid to post to you...don't want you to get bashed for posting with me. But it is pretty common knowledge that private eye is Beth's brother, or at least that is what I have been lead to believe. The posts he made were during and right after the Persistance endeavor, I haven't noticed any new ones in quite awhile.

Thanks, and it's OK lstdlou, I have no associations with anyone on the board (this one or any others) or with any of the major (or minor) players.  I thought I read PE was a relative of Beth, so I found his post's particularly interesting, as I'm sure everyone else did, and would suspect he was privy to confidential info.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 12:09:58 AM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 11, 2009, 12:12:36 AM
The following is from Freddy's statement from Joran's book:

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.

Are there any other of Freddy's statements here on SM?  At the end of Beth's book she discusses De Vries' theory that Natalee was taken to Joran's house.  My main question is: Where was Freddy (and his camera) when Joran and the Kalpoes were at C & C's?  Was he at Joran's setting up his camera?  Also, were his parents ever interviewed to find out when Freddy got home that night?  I know some of you have probably looked into all this already, but I missed all that.


This Definitely has potential and i believe has been discussed before!

Yes, discussed at length over two years ago and probably before that.  Definately a possibility IMO.  Not to mention that in the Kalpoes statements they mention returning Freddy's camera to him.

That's right, the returning of the camera's I read not too long ago, that caught my eye.  Maybe because they said it was by the apartments and the Chinese restaurant.  What a weird thing for the Kalpoes to say.  Why would they bring up the camera?  If anyone can point me in the direction of any of that old discussion, that would be great.

If this Freddy statement is legit, that is unbelievable that he said "(she) no longer regained consciousness".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 11, 2009, 12:14:03 AM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.


But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.
I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

Caps definitely has good English, then bad English days, but Caps types way too fast to be Dompig.  Doesn't Dompig seem like everything he does, he does slowly?

Iris, I am almost afraid to post to you...don't want you to get bashed for posting with me. But it is pretty common knowledge that private eye is Beth's brother, or at least that is what I have been lead to believe. The posts he made were during and right after the Persistance endeavor, I haven't noticed any new ones in quite awhile.

Thanks, and it's OK lstdlou, I have no associations with anyone on the board (this one or any others) or with any of the major (or minor) players.  I thought I read PE was a relative of Beth, so I found his post's particularly interesting, as I'm sure everyone else did, and would suspect he was privy to confidential info.

I think I came here in the midst of something bigger than me...Monkeys who left and started a new forum and from what I understand...were not posting kind words about SM. I didn't know anything about the other forum...and still only have bits and pieces about what is going on. I just want to make it clear, I am not part of that forum, was not invited, and still Stand by Natalee and will always stand by Natalee and her family, even when my opinion is not the popular one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 11, 2009, 12:15:55 AM
The following is from Freddy's statement from Joran's book:

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.

Are there any other of Freddy's statements here on SM?  At the end of Beth's book she discusses De Vries' theory that Natalee was taken to Joran's house.  My main question is: Where was Freddy (and his camera) when Joran and the Kalpoes were at C & C's?  Was he at Joran's setting up his camera?  Also, were his parents ever interviewed to find out when Freddy got home that night?  I know some of you have probably looked into all this already, but I missed all that.


This Definitely has potential and i believe has been discussed before!

Yes, discussed at length over two years ago and probably before that.  Definately a possibility IMO.  Not to mention that in the Kalpoes statements they mention returning Freddy's camera to him.

There is truth in every lie...and this is something that has been repeated for almost 4 years in one form or another by joran...I think there is a lot of truth to this statement.

And Casey Anthony also proved the "there is truth in every lie" statement is correct.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 12:16:45 AM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 

Thanks Klaas.  Maybe that's why PI's not posting here, still a Freebird? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 12:20:23 AM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 

Thanks Klaas.  Maybe that's why PI's not posting here, still a Freebird? 

BTW....I don't want an answer to that, just saying that it would make sense.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 11, 2009, 12:22:12 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/raveironfist4.jpg)


The Elders, Babylonians, Rave, House of Rave. streets of gold bricks, it's all in there.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/thnv19_020.jpg)  (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/thnv19_023.jpg)


Is there a comic book store in Aruba?  We have one in a strip mall in the suburb I live in.  I guess alot of people are into them, if they can afford the rent.  Are these specific comics available translated into Dutch or Pap?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 11, 2009, 12:24:58 AM
Hey, thanks everyone, lots of interesting posts today. 

I have to leave, my self imposed time limit has already been exceeded!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 11, 2009, 12:25:53 AM
Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.


But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.
I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

Caps definitely has good English, then bad English days, but Caps types way too fast to be Dompig.  Doesn't Dompig seem like everything he does, he does slowly?

Iris, I am almost afraid to post to you...don't want you to get bashed for posting with me. But it is pretty common knowledge that private eye is Beth's brother, or at least that is what I have been lead to believe. The posts he made were during and right after the Persistence endeavor, I haven't noticed any new ones in quite awhile.

Thanks, and it's OK lstdlou, I have no associations with anyone on the board (this one or any others) or with any of the major (or minor) players.  I thought I read PE was a relative of Beth, so I found his post's particularly interesting, as I'm sure everyone else did, and would suspect he was privy to confidential info.

As far as being "in" with any group...I am as far as "in" as you can get...as you can tell..lol. I have a great friendship with Jug Twitty. It is simply a friendship and one that I am quite proud of. Jug Twitty is a hero to me, he ranks up there along side my brother as far as men go, and that is the greatest compliment I can give anyone...because my brother is my most trusted friend, and my hero. Most of the questions I ask Jug in regards to the case, he won't answer, and I absolutely respect that. There are HUGE efforts going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. I don't claim any insider information, nor would I ever jeopardise my friendship with Jug to get the insider track. What he can tell me he does, and I pass along to the Monkeys. I can ask him anything, but if he won't answer, I respect that. When he can give me an answer, as in the case of the Persistence, I pass it along.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 12:29:37 AM
Is there a comic book store in Aruba?  We have one in a strip mall in the suburb I live in.  I guess alot of people are into them, if they can afford the rent.  Are these specific comics available translated into Dutch or Pap?


I am sure they are sold somewhere in Aruba or can be ordered by mail.  No need for translations as everyone in Aruba speaks 3-5 languages!!!  Didn't you read the letter, lol.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 12:31:08 AM
Is there a comic book store in Aruba?  We have one in a strip mall in the suburb I live in.  I guess alot of people are into them, if they can afford the rent.  Are these specific comics available translated into Dutch or Pap?


I am sure they are sold somewhere in Aruba or can be ordered by mail.  No need for translations as everyone in Aruba speaks 3-5 languages!!!  Didn't you read the letter, lol.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



I found many bookstores at VisitAruba but none specific to comics!That's neither here nor there.Just info!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 11, 2009, 12:32:27 AM
Is there a comic book store in Aruba?  We have one in a strip mall in the suburb I live in.  I guess alot of people are into them, if they can afford the rent.  Are these specific comics available translated into Dutch or Pap?


I am sure they are sold somewhere in Aruba or can be ordered by mail.  No need for translations as everyone in Aruba speaks 3-5 languages!!!  Didn't you read the letter, lol.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



I know the Dutch usually learn English in school, but does the average Aruban read English? Or just have conversational English for job related reasons?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 11, 2009, 12:34:05 AM
Is there a comic book store in Aruba?  We have one in a strip mall in the suburb I live in.  I guess alot of people are into them, if they can afford the rent.  Are these specific comics available translated into Dutch or Pap?


I am sure they are sold somewhere in Aruba or can be ordered by mail.  No need for translations as everyone in Aruba speaks 3-5 languages!!!  Didn't you read the letter, lol.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



I found many bookstores at VisitAruba but none specific to comics!That's neither here nor there.Just info!

Do regular bookstores sell comics?  (I've never looked for them!)

OK, now I am really over my time limit.  Bye!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 12:34:13 AM
Is there a comic book store in Aruba?  We have one in a strip mall in the suburb I live in.  I guess alot of people are into them, if they can afford the rent.  Are these specific comics available translated into Dutch or Pap?


I am sure they are sold somewhere in Aruba or can be ordered by mail.  No need for translations as everyone in Aruba speaks 3-5 languages!!!  Didn't you read the letter, lol.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



I know the Dutch usually learn English in school, but does the average Aruban read English? Or just have conversational English for job related reasons?

Your pushing it exceeding your time limit Iris! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 12:35:32 AM
Kids have a way of getting comic books everywhere.  They are usually where magazines are sold.  I am sure most younger people in Aruba can read at least some English.  Nor much required in comic books as that is the purpose of the pictures, is it not?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: A's Fever on January 11, 2009, 12:35:50 AM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 

Was he by any chance Viet Vet, Klass?

Hi everyone!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 12:39:23 AM
Still no luck with Diario.How bout you TM.Hello to A's ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 12:40:26 AM
Check-Mate Janet! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 12:43:23 AM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 12:44:06 AM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 

Was he by any chance Viet Vet, Klass?

Hi everyone!

No Viet Vet was a friend of Beth and Jug's that went to Aruba that first week to try and help find Natalee. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 12:44:56 AM
 Mirela Werleman and Jade Padron, students at the island’s teacher training school, Aruba Pedagogical Institute (IPA) displayed a project in which they are involved to create a program for Aruba’s schools that integrate illustration and animation into the learning process.
 A highpoint of the evening was a dissertation by Master of Visual Arts and award-winning conceptual artist Ryan Oduber. Along with an example of Ryan’s computer animation, which he presented as a means of comparing the attitudes between European and tropical island mentality he introduced the work of twelve year old Ian Flanigin. Ryan obviously admires the fledgling illustrator and his comic book  creation “Super Cat,” considering it quite an accomplishment, and certain the imaginative young Ian is capable of great things in the future.
 A spectacular finish by the dancers of Club Movimento brought to life such beloved cartoon characters as Olive Oil and Betty Boop, with club director Samantha Westera finishing with a dramatic “Manga” interpretation.
 Finally, the gathering eagerly followed three young children in Carnival dress into the Art and Animation Exposition 2007. This will continue during opening hours at the library for the next weeks, offering a remarkable insight into animation past, and present as realized in comic books, graphic novels, and film. The extraordinary art of Magaly Maduro graces the wall of the library, and Mirto Laclé’s extensive collection of animation art and memorabilia are on display for the entertainment and enlightenment of all.

http://biblioteca.arubahost.com/index.php3?h=434&maand=02-2007


Seems comic books are so popular they even offer seminars on them in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 12:45:17 AM
Still no luck with Diario.How bout you TM.Hello to A's ::MonkeyDance::

No luck for me either, the site is still down.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 12:45:30 AM
I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 12:46:54 AM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

 ::cartwheel::


 ::MonkeyDance::  Janet made it home alright!!!!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 12:49:19 AM
Isn't Interpol another agency that has to be "invited" in to a country to investigate?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 12:51:41 AM

Private Eye did stop in not to long ago but didn't post!


I got all excited when I sasw private eye lurking ... gave him a BIG HUG and ... then he left.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I must have squeezed him to hard.  I must have hurt him.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 12:55:19 AM

Private Eye did stop in not to long ago but didn't post!


I got all excited when I sasw private eye lurking ... gave him a BIG HUG and ... then he left.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I must have squeezed him to hard.  I must have hurt him.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

It was nice of him to actually let us know that he potentially has been reading! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 12:56:49 AM
Well, PI's posts have always been very friendly and favorable of the Monkeys.  I am sure he will post if he has any information to share with us and time permits.

And we don't hug him too hard, lol.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 12:57:34 AM

Private Eye did stop in not to long ago but didn't post!


I got all excited when I sasw private eye lurking ... gave him a BIG HUG and ... then he left.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I must have squeezed him to hard.  I must have hurt him.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

It was nice of him to actually let us know that he potentially has been reading! ::MonkeyDance::

I think so too KTF.  And Janet remember, I thought I skeered him away too; but maybe it was neither of us...maybe there's another reason he didn't post.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 12:58:32 AM
Speaking of reading, I see Spooky out there in Monkeyland, too!

Big HELLO to SPOOKY!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 12:59:13 AM
Still no luck with Diario.How bout you TM.Hello to A's ::MonkeyDance::

No luck for me either, the site is still down.  

Thanx TM. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 01:00:27 AM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

 ::cartwheel::


 ::MonkeyDance::  Janet made it home alright!!!!  ::cartwheel::

Yes I did.

The main roads were clear of snow.  Chinese food is not my favorite but it did hit the spot tonight.  Company was great.  However ... only one quick game of Scabble to pacify me.  Friends had plans tomorrow and ... wanted an early night.

Thanks texasmom.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 01:00:59 AM
Does anyone know when Carnival starts in Aruba?  Lots happens around that time. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 01:01:23 AM
Well, PI's posts have always been very friendly and favorable of the Monkeys.  I am sure he will post if he has any information to share with us and time permits.

And we don't hug him too hard, lol.



I would also believe if Kermit and what the Freebirds are doing is wrong,as some posters have implied he'd let us know!I stand with the Frog.. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 01:02:38 AM
Does anyone know when Carnival starts in Aruba?  Lots happens around that time. 

It's already started and goes through Feb 24th IIRC.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 01:03:53 AM

Private Eye did stop in not to long ago but didn't post!


I got all excited when I sasw private eye lurking ... gave him a BIG HUG and ... then he left.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I must have squeezed him to hard.  I must have hurt him.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

It was nice of him to actually let us know that he potentially has been reading! ::MonkeyDance::

I think so too KTF.  And Janet remember, I thought I skeered him away too; but maybe it was neither of us...maybe there's another reason he didn't post.

 ::MonkeyCool::

No.  I do not think so.  Between my hug and your request ... I think he panicked.  Poor guy.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 01:15:01 AM
Private Eye did stop in not to long ago but didn't post!
I got all excited when I sasw private eye lurking ... gave him a BIG HUG and ... then he left.
 ::MonkeyShocked::
I must have squeezed him to hard.  I must have hurt him.
 ::MonkeyWaa::
Janet
It was nice of him to actually let us know that he potentially has been reading! ::MonkeyDance::
I think so too KTF.  And Janet remember, I thought I skeered him away too; but maybe it was neither of us...maybe there's another reason he didn't post.
 ::MonkeyCool::
No.  I do not think so.  Between my hug and your request ... I think he panicked.  Poor guy.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::
Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 01:20:53 AM
1/10/2009 Bondia

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01102009Bondia07a-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 01:21:03 AM
Well, PI's posts have always been very friendly and favorable of the Monkeys.  I am sure he will post if he has any information to share with us and time permits.

And we don't hug him too hard, lol.



I would also believe if Kermit and what the Freebirds are doing is wrong,as some posters have implied he'd let us know!I stand with the Frog.. ::MonkeyDance::

Keepthefaith

The matter has been settled.  You fret too much friend.  Hugs.  I hope you had a good day.

The letter from Jen ... the former administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds ... made it very clear that Beth provided permission to the Natalee's Freebirds to expose Kyle Kingman's posts which exposed the deception of Persistence undertaking.

Janet

+++++++


klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »


Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
 
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.

Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator
Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 01:21:28 AM
Goodnight Monkey's.My energy is still depleted due to arrest week! ::MonkeyLaugh:: If anyone talks to CapsLockWizard tell him i'm very disappointed.Also ask him who the hell gave him that information! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 01:25:57 AM
Well, PI's posts have always been very friendly and favorable of the Monkeys.  I am sure he will post if he has any information to share with us and time permits.

And we don't hug him too hard, lol.



I would also believe if Kermit and what the Freebirds are doing is wrong,as some posters have implied he'd let us know!I stand with the Frog.. ::MonkeyDance::

Keepthefaith

The matter has been settled.  You fret too much friend.  Hugs.  I hope you had a good day.

The letter from Jen ... the former administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds ... made it very clear that Beth provided permission to the Natalee's Freebirds to expose Kyle Kingman's posts which exposed the deception of Persistence undertaking.

Janet

+++++++


klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »


Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
 
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.

Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator
Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


Thanx for bringing be back to Reality.Arrest week really distracted me! ::MonkeyLaugh:: I really try to give people the benefit of the doubt but find it harder every day when it comes to the issue of the Persistence.What more does someone need?Those who stand behind Kyle,as well as say that the Persistence is a diversion just confuse me! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 01:26:31 AM
Goodnight Monkey's.My energy is still depleted due to arrest week! ::MonkeyLaugh:: If anyone talks to CapsLockWizard tell him i'm very disappointed.Also ask him who the hell gave him that information! ::MonkeyEek::

Goodnight Keepthefaith!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: spooky112483 on January 11, 2009, 01:27:45 AM
Speaking of reading, I see Spooky out there in Monkeyland, too!

Big HELLO to SPOOKY!



Hello Anna!! Can you believe we are still here after all this time? It feels like 2 years ago what with posters being decieving and other anti monkey boards popping up. Just like old times, eh? LOL.
What is this about JQK going to Aruba? I see that Greta going to Aruba didn't pan out so where are we hearing this about JQK? Boy, that Hero Brinkman really came out swinging. My kind of guy.
I agree with AZ. After almost 4 years enough of the puzzles and riddles.
We demand justice everywhere. I am so sickened by the "us vs. them" mentality in regards to Aruba, like you said Anna.
BTW Could somebody change my clothes?  ::MonkeyCool:: I'm still dressed from last Easter ::MonkeyEek::
I love you all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 01:28:41 AM
Well, PI's posts have always been very friendly and favorable of the Monkeys.  I am sure he will post if he has any information to share with us and time permits.

And we don't hug him too hard, lol.



I would also believe if Kermit and what the Freebirds are doing is wrong,as some posters have implied he'd let us know!I stand with the Frog.. ::MonkeyDance::

Keepthefaith

The matter has been settled.  You fret too much friend.  Hugs.  I hope you had a good day.

The letter from Jen ... the former administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds ... made it very clear that Beth provided permission to the Natalee's Freebirds to expose Kyle Kingman's posts which exposed the deception of Persistence undertaking.

Janet

+++++++


klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »


Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
 
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.

Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator
Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


Thanx for bringing be back to Reality.Arrest week really distracted me! ::MonkeyLaugh:: I really try to give people the benefit of the doubt but find it harder every day when it comes to the issue of the Persistence.What more does someone need?Those who stand behind Kyle,as well as say that the Persistence is a diversion just confuse me! ::MonkeyConfused::

Good Night Keepthefaith!!  Good Night Monkeys!!  Good Night Zookeepers!!

Janet
10:30 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 01:31:26 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!

Keepthefaith, Tamikosmom, Seamonkey, spooky112483, texasmom, klaasend, Anna, Mere, ospainter, BUCKSHOT

Please call the BIG RED phone if the Major player is arrested! ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 01:32:19 AM
Good to see you Spooky!


Goodnight Janet!



 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 01:35:14 AM
Posted by Pearl at BFN.  I thought it was a somewhat hopeful post  ::MonkeyCool::

It doesn't appear that Mr. Brinkman is going to get much support from ones on the island; not in a way that helps get us answers in this case.  Meanwhile,  Rudy leaves Aruba for the States.  Jan leaves Aruba for Holland.  Rumors say Joran is back in Holland.  Perhaps somehow all these vacations and rumors are tied secretly together. 

Mos is adamant that the investigation continues.  4 things from deVries being worked with.  Doesn't want to tip hand to Joran, no heads up. 

Am I reading between the lines or is this accurate information?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2009, 01:35:17 AM
Hi Guys! I'm catching up from last night so am behind, but wanted to say HELLO!

Spooky! Good to see you, ole' late night buddy!    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 01:38:22 AM
Wonder what the deal is with the Diario website? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Seamonkey on January 11, 2009, 01:40:40 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!

Keepthefaith, Tamikosmom, Seamonkey, spooky112483, texasmom, klaasend, Anna, Mere, ospainter, BUCKSHOT

Please call the BIG RED phone if the Major player is arrested! ::MonkeyDance::



Night Keepthefaith  :)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 01:42:35 AM
O/T Seamonkey - your avatar is absolutely the cutest thing I've seen in a long time, I love it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 11, 2009, 01:44:09 AM
Goodnight everyone.......klaasend, pinetucky, ospainter, Seamonkey, texasmom, Anna, Icehawk, Tamikosmom, spooky112483


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Seamonkey on January 11, 2009, 01:46:12 AM
why thankys miss klaas :) seems to be most days lately lol

 im on firefox, foxfire..whatever it is, lol and seems to help me be able to be here without laggin as much , Im able to catch up a bit...woot  lol ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Seamonkey on January 11, 2009, 01:47:17 AM
Goodnight everyone.......klaasend, pinetucky, ospainter, Seamonkey, texasmom, Anna, Icehawk, Tamikosmom, spooky112483
Night mere :) sleep well


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2009, 01:47:39 AM
You forgot me, Mere!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Goodnight to you, anyway! Sleep well!

Klaas? Message.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 01:48:38 AM
Wonder what the deal is with the Diario website? 

I don't know.  It was down, and then it was up (still no article about bones that I could find, lol) and then it's been down again for the past few days.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 01:49:05 AM
why thankys miss klaas :) seems to be most days lately lol

 im on firefox, foxfire..whatever it is, lol and seems to help me be able to be here without laggin as much , Im able to catch up a bit...woot  lol ::MonkeyDance::

Seamonkey -Glad you are able to be here without lagging as much!

Mere - good to see you too!  I'm about ready to call it a night myself.

GOODNIGHT ALL!   Maybe Diario will be up and running tomorrow and we can read about the bones Jossy is supposed to have  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 01:49:18 AM
Goodnight everyone.......klaasend, pinetucky, ospainter, Seamonkey, texasmom, Anna, Icehawk, Tamikosmom, spooky112483

Goodnight Mere!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Seamonkey on January 11, 2009, 01:49:47 AM
why thankys miss klaas :) seems to be most days lately lol

 im on firefox, foxfire..whatever it is, lol and seems to help me be able to be here without laggin as much , Im able to catch up a bit...woot  lol ::MonkeyDance::

I meant to say.."seems to be ME most days" lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2009, 01:50:53 AM
Goodnight Klaas! Sleep well!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 01:51:20 AM



Goodnight Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: ospainter on January 11, 2009, 01:53:12 AM
Nite Keep The Faith and Mere.

Nice to see you all...


 :2waver:

OS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Seamonkey on January 11, 2009, 01:53:18 AM
Goodnight klass, sleep well :)

Im off too, thank you all for ya wonderful posts for me to catch up with. :)

Night :)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 11, 2009, 01:54:27 AM
You forgot me, Mere!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Goodnight to you, anyway! Sleep well!

Klaas? Message.....

So sorry...you must have been behind one of the popups....!   Good night...and see you tomorrow...!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2009, 01:56:30 AM
You forgot me, Mere!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Goodnight to you, anyway! Sleep well!

Klaas? Message.....

So sorry...you must have been behind one of the popups....!   Good night...and see you tomorrow...!

Oh, it's ok, Mere! I was teasing you. Yeah, I've been playing that xylophone thingy all night at the bottom of the page myself!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sleep well, Mere!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2009, 02:01:06 AM
It's my time to say goodnight!

GOODNIGHT ALL!

GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 02:01:19 AM
Nite Keep The Faith and Mere.

Nice to see you all...

 :2waver:

OS


Good to see you too OS!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 02:02:13 AM
It's my time to say goodnight!

GOODNIGHT ALL!

GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL!

Goodnight CBB, good to see you too!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: ospainter on January 11, 2009, 02:04:12 AM
NIte CBB.

Me to

Nite everyone

OS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 02:05:11 AM
NIte CBB.

Me to

Nite everyone

OS

Goodnight OS!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: ospainter on January 11, 2009, 02:05:48 AM
HI TXmom

Nice to see you too.

Nite

OS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: spooky112483 on January 11, 2009, 02:14:38 AM
Sorry I missed ya'll that have gone to bed. I got absorbed in One Life To Live. I've missed ya'll so much.
Thanks for fixing my clothes too ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 11, 2009, 02:50:34 AM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

There is only one riddler.

(http://bedazzled.blogs.com/bedazzled/images/frank_gorshin_riddler1.jpg)
Okay, I'm 6 pages behind. I hope that means something is up! The greatest "The Riddler" of all time was Frank Gorshen!!!!! When I was about 11 years old, I saw him in an OKC department store ...... I was "dumbfounded"!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 02:52:57 AM



Not really wreck....sorry! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 02:54:17 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 02:55:22 AM


Goodnight monkeys! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 11, 2009, 03:01:44 AM
Goodnight TM!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 11, 2009, 03:08:32 AM



Not really wreck....sorry! 
I didn't say he was the "Greatest Actor" of all time -- I said he was the greatest "RIDDLER" of all time!!! God rest Frank Gorshen's soul!!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 03:12:47 AM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

There is only one riddler.

(http://bedazzled.blogs.com/bedazzled/images/frank_gorshin_riddler1.jpg)
Okay, I'm 6 pages behind. I hope that means something is up! The greatest "The Riddler" of all time was Frank Gorshen!!!!! When I was about 11 years old, I saw him in an OKC department store ...... I was "dumbfounded"!!

That's what I meant "not really" about!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sorry, I should have been more specific...just tired.

goodnight!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 11, 2009, 03:14:16 AM



Not really wreck....sorry! 
I didn't say he was the "Greatest Actor" of all time -- I said he was the greatest "RIDDLER" of all time!!! God rest Frank Gorshen's soul!!!!  ::MonkeyCool::
Okay, you bastards -- challenge me!!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 11, 2009, 03:18:13 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 11, 2009, 03:19:06 AM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

There is only one riddler.

(http://bedazzled.blogs.com/bedazzled/images/frank_gorshin_riddler1.jpg)
Okay, I'm 6 pages behind. I hope that means something is up! The greatest "The Riddler" of all time was Frank Gorshen!!!!! When I was about 11 years old, I saw him in an OKC department store ...... I was "dumbfounded"!!

That's what I meant "not really" about!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sorry, I should have been more specific...just tired.

goodnight!
You are foregiven!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 03:20:49 AM

The riddler skeered me.  So I don't know anything about that.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 11, 2009, 03:25:03 AM
Good Night Wreck and 8 Guests!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: IBE on January 11, 2009, 05:04:37 AM
I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

I agree AZLady.

www.interpol.int (http://www.interpol.int)

I have spent the last hour and 1/2 reading at this site and still don't know how they get involved. I thought they came in and investigated corrupt police but now i am not sure

for instance: Aruba is a member country and all member counties set up:

This is copied from their home page:

INTERPOL is the world’s largest international police organization, with 187 member countries. Created in 1923, it facilitates cross-border police co-operation, and supports and assists all organizations, authorities and services whose mission is to prevent or combat international crime.

INTERPOL aims to facilitate international police co-operation even where diplomatic relations do not exist between particular countries. Action is taken within the limits of existing laws in different countries and in the spirit of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. INTERPOL’s constitution prohibits ‘any intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character.

Then on the page where it talks about member countries, this is what happens in each member country like the US, Holland, Aruba et al:

(I put in bold what caught my attention 1st.. is this a Catch 22?)

 About National Central Bureaus

Each of INTERPOL’s member countries maintains a National Central Bureau (NCB) staffed by national law enforcement officers.

The NCB serves as the designated contact point in each country for international police liaison with:

    * INTERPOL’s General Secretariat and its regional offices;
    * The various law enforcement departments in the country;
    * National Central Bureaus in other countries requiring assistance with overseas investigations.

The role of an NCB is to participate in all of INTERPOL’s activities, providing constant and active co-operation – compatible with the laws of their countries – so that INTERPOL can achieve its aims.

The NCB is typically one division of a member country’s national police agency or investigation service, or is under the jurisdiction of the ministry or department in charge of public security or justice.

The head of the NCB is usually one of the highest-ranking law enforcement officials in the country. Depending on the country’s size, the NCB may have only two or three officers responsible for all INTERPOL-related activities, or several tens of officers, with specialists in terrorism, fugitives, high-tech crimes, or trafficking in human beings, drugs or stolen property. Larger NCBs may have their own legal counsel or crisis management centres to handle urgent requests from other countries.

Officers working in the NCBs carry out their daily work in the pursuit of international police co-operation but remain employed by their national administrations.

Regional issues

To deliver services effectively to NCBs, INTERPOL groups its member countries into five working regions; Africa, Americas, Asia and South Pacific, Europe, and Middle East and North Africa.

This allows NCBs to co-ordinate regional operational activities within the context of local priorities and action plans, to share best practices and to identify specific solutions to their law enforcement needs. Each region is supported by a sub-directorate at the General Secretariat.

For statutory purposes, member countries are grouped into four regions – Africa, Americas, Asia and Europe – each of which holds a policy-level conference every one or two years to discuss matters of regional concern and to plan tailored solutions to regional issues.

Each member country sends delegates to INTERPOL’s annual General Assembly, and each statutory region nominates delegates to the 13-member Executive Committee – mostly senior police chiefs. These two governing organs ensure that all regions have a say in the organization’s plans and strategies. NCBs then assist in the implementation of these plans and strategies, serving inter alia as a liaison point between national police forces and the INTERPOL community.

The NCBs are supported by INTERPOL’s six Sub-Regional Bureaus to provide effective services to all law enforcement partners in their respective countries.

NCB activities

NCB activities at all levels – local, national, regional and international – focus on INTERPOL’s four core functions:

    * Secure global police communication services
    * Operational data services and databases for police
    * Operational police support services
    * Training and development

Each NCB is connected to INTERPOL’s secure police communications network I-24/7, which enables them to share crucial information on criminals and criminal activities 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Using I-24/7, NCBs can search and cross-check data in a matter of seconds, with direct access to databases of information on suspected terrorists, wanted persons, fingerprints, DNA profiles, lost or stolen travel documents, stolen motor vehicles, stolen works of art, etc. These multiple resources give law enforcement officials instant access to potentially important information, thereby facilitating criminal investigations.

Although I-24/7 is initially installed in the NCB, INTERPOL is encouraging member countries to extend their connections to national law enforcement entities such as border police, customs and immigration, etc. NCBs control the level of access other authorised users have to INTERPOL services and can request to be informed of enquiries made to their national databases by other countries.


From IBE
((IN answer to your question..IMO, I don't know the answer))

Maybe Kermit and others would know.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: IBE on January 11, 2009, 05:13:20 AM
http://www.interpol.int/Public/News/2006/ArubaMinister20060622.asp (http://www.interpol.int/Public/News/2006/ArubaMinister20060622.asp)

shows Aruban Minister Croes and Interpol Director meeting 25-26 May 2006

When you search "Aruba" in the interpol site it brings up about 26 hits.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: finngirl on January 11, 2009, 06:38:39 AM

I'm way late in adding to earlier discussion
but re metaphors/imagery/etc:
that was shango, not simian

sim's style was casual/conversational
and w/o spelling/grammatical errors
(altho quite snippy on occasion)

Tina Fey: bitch is the new black!

re shango's imagery/Marvel comics:
while not original to shango,
the Marvel terminology accurately describes
the dutch/aruban personalities/behaviors/events in this case

perhaps Marvel, being a familiar genre to shango,
was an easy way to describe the aruban scenario



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 11, 2009, 07:02:21 AM
Isn't Interpol another agency that has to be "invited" in to a country to investigate?

Interpol really is a organisation for cooperation between different countries.
for cross border crime or criminals on the run for example.

and yes, they only give assistance on invitation.
no sovereign country will let a outside force take over (have the leading role) an investigation.
because that's in effect saying that they are not capable enough.

so i don't see a foreign organisation playing a role.
maybe a supporting role at most.

so first we have this Landsrecherche investigation.
i doubt that will go anywhere.

next in line there will be a Rijksrecherche investigation.
i think that will uncover a lot and finally lead to justice.
but that can still take years.
as of now only Brinkman supports this Rijksrecherche investigation.

but by keeping up the pressure, more Peter R. de Vries broadcasts, Rudy Croes saying something dumb again, Joran doing something stupid again, step by step there will be progress.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 11, 2009, 07:43:16 AM
From the Netherlands Interpol site.  I've often thought that this is where Deepak got his 15 yrs. statement:

rticle 247 of the Penal Code

    '1. A person who, with a person whom he knows to be unconscious or physically unable to resist or to be suffering from such a degree of mental defect or mental disease that he is incapable or not sufficiently capable of exercising or expressing his will in the matter or of offering resistance, performs indecent acts, or who, with a person who has not yet reached the age of sixteen (16) years, out of wedlock, performs indecent acts, or by whom the latter is enticed into performing, or submitting to such acts, out of wedlock, with a third party, is liable to a term of imprisonment of not more than six years or a fine of the fourth category.'

Article 248 of the Penal Code

    '1. Where serious bodily harm ensues as a result of any of the offences defined in articles 243 and 245-247, a term of imprisonment of not more than twelve years or a fine of the fifth category shall be imposed.

    2. Where death ensues as a result of any of the offences defined in articles 242-247, a term of imprisonment of not more than fifteen years or a fine of the fifth category shall be imposed.'

http://www.interpol.com/public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaNetherlands.asp


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 11, 2009, 07:51:42 AM
Interpols' definition of Corruption:



Corruption undermines political, social and economic stability. It threatens security and damages trust and public confidence in systems which affect people’s daily lives. Although corruption frequently occurs at local or national level, its consequences are global; its hidden costs immense.

http://www.interpol.com/Public/Corruption/default.asp



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 11, 2009, 07:55:04 AM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

Post of the Week Award (http://bestsmileys.com/tropheys/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 11, 2009, 08:32:49 AM
I would like to caution that the moderators here at Scaredmonkeys cannot see the posters IP addresses, so if Blonde has IP information on Caps it's because she is guessing it from the site meter just like anyone else could do.  I'm just saying that there's no guarantee it's Caps if that is how she determined the computer he is using.


YES Klass your right when CAPS was loggod on I went to the site meter and saw Aruba lit up and got my information from that.
 I can NOT see any member IP like Admin can  when ,posting Just on site meter.
A wild guess that it's CAPS because only one lite on in Aruba, but this was in early 2008 and I saved them all.
Thay were all Operating System Microsoft WinNT is VISTA
Browser Internet Explorer 7.0

One time in Jan 2009 it was the same.
I was tought to do this when I was admin at 4 other Natalee sites and became quite good at it.
because it intrests me.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 11, 2009, 08:41:23 AM
There's an NT on now with no version.  The Browser is too new to work with NT so it must be Vista.  XP shows up as XP.  So perhaps CAPS is not on a server after all.

YES I just loged on with my Vista ,and it showed up as Operating System Microsoft WinNT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: DPJ on January 11, 2009, 08:49:35 AM
Hello, stupid newbie question probably but where can I find the SiteMeter?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 11, 2009, 08:55:56 AM
there's a tiny icon at bottom of page, says "sitemeter". just click on that


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: DPJ on January 11, 2009, 09:33:09 AM
Wow that really is a tiny icon, so now after installing a plug-in I finally got it to work.  ::MonkeyDance::

thanks RoxiBalboa


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 11, 2009, 10:32:13 AM
What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

Post of the Week Award (http://bestsmileys.com/tropheys/3.gif)

 :salut: :salut: :thumright:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 11, 2009, 10:35:21 AM
I just received an e-mail from Vicky. Really short notice but we will try and pull together a protest. It appears Aruba will once again be at the St Louis Travel Show. If anyone is nearby and can help, we would greatly apprciate it.

http://stltravelshow.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=66&Itemid=80


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 11, 2009, 10:37:58 AM
Isn't Interpol another agency that has to be "invited" in to a country to investigate?

Interpol really is a organisation for cooperation between different countries.
for cross border crime or criminals on the run for example.

and yes, they only give assistance on invitation.
no sovereign country will let a outside force take over (have the leading role) an investigation.
because that's in effect saying that they are not capable enough.

so i don't see a foreign organisation playing a role.
maybe a supporting role at most.

so first we have this Landsrecherche investigation.
i doubt that will go anywhere.

next in line there will be a Rijksrecherche investigation.
i think that will uncover a lot and finally lead to justice.
but that can still take years.
as of now only Brinkman supports this Rijksrecherche investigation.

but by keeping up the pressure, more Peter R. de Vries broadcasts, Rudy Croes saying something dumb again, Joran doing something stupid again, step by step there will be progress.

Everything Joran does and has said has been by design.
This is an international crime.
It is about money.
Follow Deepaks lawsuit and Paulus in the background.
We have nothing on Joran. Everyone who stands to gain by a large settlement knows this.
In effect it is all just a big Con. Professionals...M included.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 10:48:53 AM
I just received an e-mail from Vicky. Really short notice but we will try and pull together a protest. It appears Aruba will once again be at the St Louis Travel Show. If anyone is nearby and can help, we would greatly apprciate it.

http://stltravelshow.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=66&Itemid=80

Hi ldstlou - I just created a sticky thread for this travel show.  If you have contact information for Vicky or whoever will be in charge of putting together the team for this show, please post it in this thread.

Thanks for the headsup!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4378.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 10:57:40 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7029/5/#jc_allComments

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/ArubaPlane011009.jpg)


Through translator:


(http://www.awe24.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JAN_2009/11_JAN_AVION_MISTERIOSO__Small_.JPG)


avionan of fol circulando on aruba

 sunday, 11 january 2009 - 08:41 24ora.com owing to ricibi enough call diadomingo morning puntrando what will can is pasando cu two plane cu in one form not accustomed is bulando upstairs aruba in the same ruta y at the same height for casi one hour largo. in one investigacion preliminar we can compronde for of toren control cu will have to is deal of avionan of f.o.l cu is form part of u.s navy cu is staciona at curacao. the two avionan here will was have because; destinacion colombia but for one motibo still desconoci for we they not owing to succeed of arrive colombia come across. this owing to make cu they owing to come bek in the direccion of aruba/curacao y will have to is mucho pisa debi cu they're carga cu fuel. hour one plane is carga cu fuel the is one risico big for ateriza. es decir cu they're bulando upstairs aruba at one height of 10.000 leg. interesting will is for know what the motibo is cu they not owing to arrive colombia y also dicon they're circulano upstairs aruba if they base is at curacao. we have entendi cu the avionan is of the model k35 r strato tanker come across. come across


One of the comments:

Quote
Soul in love said:

  porta nan ta buskando natalee haloway hahahah 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: ldstlou on January 11, 2009, 10:58:31 AM
I just received an e-mail from Vicky. Really short notice but we will try and pull together a protest. It appears Aruba will once again be at the St Louis Travel Show. If anyone is nearby and can help, we would greatly apprciate it.

http://stltravelshow.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=66&Itemid=80

Hi ldstlou - I just created a sticky thread for this travel show.  If you have contact information for Vicky or whoever will be in charge of putting together the team for this show, please post it in this thread.

Thanks for the headsup!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4378.0

Thanks Klaas. I will post Vicky's contact info now in case anyone wants to donate fliers and tote bags like last year.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 11:03:34 AM
I just received an e-mail from Vicky. Really short notice but we will try and pull together a protest. It appears Aruba will once again be at the St Louis Travel Show. If anyone is nearby and can help, we would greatly apprciate it.

http://stltravelshow.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=66&Itemid=80

Hi ldstlou - I just created a sticky thread for this travel show.  If you have contact information for Vicky or whoever will be in charge of putting together the team for this show, please post it in this thread.

Thanks for the headsup!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4378.0

Thanks Klaas. I will post Vicky's contact info now in case anyone wants to donate fliers and tote bags like last year.

Cool, thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 11:07:51 AM
there's a tiny icon at bottom of page, says "sitemeter". just click on that

I don't see it.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2009, 11:17:07 AM
there's a tiny icon at bottom of page, says "sitemeter". just click on that

I don't see it.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

No?  Center bottom of the page.  White rectagular box, says Sitemeter in green.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 11, 2009, 11:42:17 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7029/5/#jc_allComments

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/ArubaPlane011009.jpg)


Through translator:


(http://www.awe24.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JAN_2009/11_JAN_AVION_MISTERIOSO__Small_.JPG)


avionan of fol circulando on aruba

 sunday, 11 january 2009 - 08:41 24ora.com owing to ricibi enough call diadomingo morning puntrando what will can is pasando cu two plane cu in one form not accustomed is bulando upstairs aruba in the same ruta y at the same height for casi one hour largo. in one investigacion preliminar we can compronde for of toren control cu will have to is deal of avionan of f.o.l cu is form part of u.s navy cu is staciona at curacao. the two avionan here will was have because; destinacion colombia but for one motibo still desconoci for we they not owing to succeed of arrive colombia come across. this owing to make cu they owing to come bek in the direccion of aruba/curacao y will have to is mucho pisa debi cu they're carga cu fuel. hour one plane is carga cu fuel the is one risico big for ateriza. es decir cu they're bulando upstairs aruba at one height of 10.000 leg. interesting will is for know what the motibo is cu they not owing to arrive colombia y also dicon they're circulano upstairs aruba if they base is at curacao. we have entendi cu the avionan is of the model k35 r strato tanker come across. come across


One of the comments:

Quote
Soul in love said:

  porta nan ta buskando natalee haloway hahahah 


Pap Transaltion

door they're searching natalee haloway hahahah come across

http://www.donamaro.nl/papiamentu/index.php?pAction=tradusi



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 11:49:31 AM
there's a tiny icon at bottom of page, says "sitemeter". just click on that

I don't see it.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

No?  Center bottom of the page.  White rectagular box, says Sitemeter in green.

It may be that my 62 year old eyes are the problem.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

No edit icon.  No sitemeter icon.

Oh!!! Woe is me!!

2NJSons_Mom ... it is no biggie.  I have survived for the past 3 1/2 years without accessing a site meter.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 11:52:52 AM
Janet - nothing that looks like this?  Must have something to do with your security settings then I guess?

(http://s20.sitemeter.com/meter.asp?site=s20scaredmonkeys&refer=http%3A//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php%3Ftopic%3D4363.new&ip=68.96.84.101&w=1280&h=800&clr=32&tzo=480&lang=en-us&pg=http%3A//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php%3Ftopic%3D4363.540&js=1&rnd=0.2041349062733886)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2009, 12:06:18 PM
there's a tiny icon at bottom of page, says "sitemeter". just click on that

I don't see it.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

No?  Center bottom of the page.  White rectagular box, says Sitemeter in green.

It may be that my 62 year old eyes are the problem.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

No edit icon.  No sitemeter icon.

Oh!!! Woe is me!!

2NJSons_Mom ... it is no biggie.  I have survived for the past 3 1/2 years without accessing a site meter.

Thanks

Janet

Try this:

http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s20scaredmonkeys

I doubt it's your eyes.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 12:17:06 PM
there's a tiny icon at bottom of page, says "sitemeter". just click on that

I don't see it.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

No?  Center bottom of the page.  White rectagular box, says Sitemeter in green.

It may be that my 62 year old eyes are the problem.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

No edit icon.  No sitemeter icon.

Oh!!! Woe is me!!

2NJSons_Mom ... it is no biggie.  I have survived for the past 3 1/2 years without accessing a site meter.

Thanks

Janet

Try this:

http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s20scaredmonkeys

I doubt it's your eyes.   

Thanks 2NJSons_Mom.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 11, 2009, 12:17:10 PM
I got into Diario using an article link
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/local/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 11, 2009, 12:19:38 PM
that link might (diario) might not help. I'm seeing old news. Sorry


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 12:21:07 PM
Janet - nothing that looks like this?  Must have something to do with your security settings then I guess?

(http://s20.sitemeter.com/meter.asp?site=s20scaredmonkeys&refer=http%3A//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php%3Ftopic%3D4363.new&ip=68.96.84.101&w=1280&h=800&clr=32&tzo=480&lang=en-us&pg=http%3A//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php%3Ftopic%3D4363.540&js=1&rnd=0.2041349062733886)

I will talk to youngest son the next time I see him.  However ... ignorance regarding some options implies do not become distracted and ... can stay focused on the topic at hand.

Thanks Klaas.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 12:32:32 PM
Off to church.

I hope you all have a good day.

As with every day ...

Psalms 118:24
This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it
.

Janet
9:30 AM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 12:50:28 PM
Off to church.

I hope you all have a good day.

As with every day ...

Psalms 118:24
This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it
.

Janet
9:30 AM PT


I hope you have a good day too, Janet! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 01:30:33 PM
I thought I might email and see if I could find out what was going on with the Diario site.  Since the contact is located in Colombia, I think I'll just wait and see what happens.

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Whois Record
Registration Service Provided By: NameCheap.com
Contact:
Visit: http://www.namecheap.com/
       
Domain name: diario-aruba.com

Registrant Contact:
   aruhost
   wandry werleman ()
   
   Fax:
   CL 71 84 72 APTO 301
   Santa Maria Itagui, AN 000000
   CO

Administrative Contact:
   aruhost
   wandry werleman ()
   +574.3770767
   Fax: +1.5555555555
   CL 71 84 72 APTO 301
   Santa Maria Itagui, AN 000000
   CO

Technical Contact:
   aruhost
   wandry werleman ()
   +574.3770767
   Fax: +1.5555555555
   CL 71 84 72 APTO 301
   Santa Maria Itagui, AN 000000
   CO

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
   ns1.zutrix.com
   ns2.zutrix.com
   
Creation date: 22 Feb 2005 17:21:45
Expiration date: 22 Feb 2009 17:21:45
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wandry Werleman   http://arufriends.com/zutrix/

If you click on the "blog" link here it leads to a page that plays a song list, Ziggy Marley's "Ganja Smoke" is the lead song!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 01:35:55 PM
I thought I might email and see if I could find out what was going on with the Diario site.  Since the contact is located in Colombia, I think I'll just wait and see what happens.

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=diario-aruba.com&tld=com

Whois Record
Registration Service Provided By: NameCheap.com
Contact:
Visit: http://www.namecheap.com/
       
Domain name: diario-aruba.com

Registrant Contact:
   aruhost
   wandry werleman ()
   
   Fax:
   CL 71 84 72 APTO 301
   Santa Maria Itagui, AN 000000
   CO

Administrative Contact:
   aruhost
   wandry werleman ()
   +574.3770767
   Fax: +1.5555555555
   CL 71 84 72 APTO 301
   Santa Maria Itagui, AN 000000
   CO

Technical Contact:
   aruhost
   wandry werleman ()
   +574.3770767
   Fax: +1.5555555555
   CL 71 84 72 APTO 301
   Santa Maria Itagui, AN 000000
   CO

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
   ns1.zutrix.com
   ns2.zutrix.com
   
Creation date: 22 Feb 2005 17:21:45
Expiration date: 22 Feb 2009 17:21:45
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wandry Werleman   http://arufriends.com/zutrix/

If you click on the "blog" link here it leads to a page that plays a song list, Ziggy Marley's "Ganja Smoke" is the lead song!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sorry, edited to add the "who is" link.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2009, 02:10:17 PM
 :smt033

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 02:25:57 PM
http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

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Saturday, 10 January 2009 - 00:01 
Recientemente a wordu honra como visitante distinguicu ta biniendo Aruba pa mas di 10 aña consecutivamente Sr. Brian Bishop. Sr. Bishop ta e coach official di e swimming team di New Jersey y tur anja e ta bishita Aruba cu 50 participante.Sr.Ricardo Croes di Aruba Tourism Authority a hasi entrega di e certificado aki y alabez felicita Brian pa su lealtad demostra pa e Isla después di mas di 10 aña ta bishitando nos dushi Isla y tambe creciendo mas di 500 alumno.Ariba e potret por aprecia Sr. Croes junto cu Brian y tambe Patricia & Andreina di The Mill Resort
 
Papiamentu Translation:

brian bishop honor at the mill resort social saturday, 10 january 2009 - 00:01 recientemente owing to wordu honor because; visitante distinguicu is biniendo aruba for more of 10 year consecutivamente sr. brian bishop. sr. bishop is the coach official of the swimming team of new jersey y all anja the is visit aruba cu 50 participante.sr.ricardo croes of aruba tourism authority owing to make entrega of the certificado here y alabez felicita brian for his lealtad demostra for her island después of more of 10 year is bishitando we sweet island y also creciendo more of 500 alumno.ariba the potret can aprecia sr. croes junto cu brian y also patricia & andreina of the mill resort come across

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Reminded me about this....did we ever hear what happened concerning this bust in July at The Mill?

IIRC we read that a government person was involved in the illegal activities.  I know I have some more information from that time about it....finding it is the problem. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

See Rob's post here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3045.20


porn set busted at Mill????
________________

COMISARIO Y INSPECTOR HUNTO CU MAS POLIS A BAY ATENDE BAGAMUNDERIA PORNOGRAFICO NA UN HOTEL
A SACA VARIOS FOTO DI HOBENNAN ARUBIANO Y TE HASTA MENOR DI EDAD CU ENGAÑO CU TIN CONTACTO CU HUGH HEFNER DI PLAYBOY

(comisario y inspector together cu more police owing to bay atende ado pornografico at one hotel owing to saca several photograph of hobennan aruban y till even younger of edad cu swindle cu have contacto cu hugh hefner of playboy come across)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/millporno1.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/millporn2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 11, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
Janet - nothing that looks like this?  Must have something to do with your security settings then I guess?

(http://s20.sitemeter.com/meter.asp?site=s20scaredmonkeys&refer=http%3A//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php%3Ftopic%3D4363.new&ip=68.96.84.101&w=1280&h=800&clr=32&tzo=480&lang=en-us&pg=http%3A//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php%3Ftopic%3D4363.540&js=1&rnd=0.2041349062733886)

I will talk to youngest son the next time I see him.  However ... ignorance regarding some options implies do not become distracted and ... can stay focused on the topic at hand.

Thanks Klaas.

Janet



Janet, I think that you are not scrolling far enough down.  You have to
scroll the whole page to the very bottom.  That happened to me long ago.
I thought I was left off the sitemeter list too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 02:55:09 PM
Good Afternoon, All,

IBE,
Thank you for the Interpol information.  I know we have discussed it a couple of times in the past but I did not recall any details.  That is pretty well the general conclusion that was reached then, invitation only. 

I believe the same more or less goes for our own FBI investigating cold cases in other countries, invitation required.

Well, it is Aruba.  They would probably just make any real evidence disappear before any externals could investigate anything.  Those nice, neat booklets in the photo of Police Chief likely do not contain much anyway.  Maybe copies of Richardson's orders for Frosted Flakes, how much they claim to have spent so far, things like that.

I just don't know what it would take at this point to bring a resolution to this injustice.  They don't seem to believe we will not eventually go away.  We won't until they give us a credible accounting for our citizen.  No matter what!



.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 03:02:28 PM
Pornography is not illegal in Aruba.

They must have done something else to warrant an arrest.  Maybe the resort wanted to collect a fee for being used or objected to the association with their establishment or did not grant permission, etc.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 03:15:12 PM
Pornography is not illegal in Aruba.

They must have done something else to warrant an arrest.  Maybe the resort wanted to collect a fee for being used or objected to the association with their establishment or did not grant permission, etc.



IIRC the age of those being photographed was an issue.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 03:36:38 PM
Stoppin in to say good afternoon to all Monkey's!Will be on later as getting some Sunday stuff done!Till later.Adios. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 04:04:47 PM
Janet - nothing that looks like this?  Must have something to do with your security settings then I guess?

(http://s20.sitemeter.com/meter.asp?site=s20scaredmonkeys&refer=http%3A//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php%3Ftopic%3D4363.new&ip=68.96.84.101&w=1280&h=800&clr=32&tzo=480&lang=en-us&pg=http%3A//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php%3Ftopic%3D4363.540&js=1&rnd=0.2041349062733886)

I will talk to youngest son the next time I see him.  However ... ignorance regarding some options implies do not become distracted and ... can stay focused on the topic at hand.

Thanks Klaas.

Janet



Janet, I think that you are not scrolling far enough down.  You have to
scroll the whole page to the very bottom.  That happened to me long ago.
I thought I was left off the sitemeter list too.

Thanks Magnolia.

I now seeee it!!!

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wingnut on January 11, 2009, 05:18:21 PM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 


Klaas - Not trying to bite the hand that feeds me LOL, but PI is not now, nor has he ever been a member at the Freebirds forum. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 05:22:57 PM
So is everybody at the Sitmeter webpage trying to figure out who is who?


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


The Referral page can be interesting as it sometimes will show what Google search the person was looking for that brought them to SM.

But I think I tired of it all long ago.  I have seen the State Dept, FBI, NFI and all kinds of news agencies lurking there many times.  Sometimes it can be interesting but sometimes dull.


.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 05:27:24 PM
Pornography is not illegal in Aruba.

They must have done something else to warrant an arrest.  Maybe the resort wanted to collect a fee for being used or objected to the association with their establishment or did not grant permission, etc.



IIRC the age of those being photographed was an issue.

Wow, you mean Aruba actually passed a law against something sleazy?   I knew the Dutch had but sort of doubted Aruba had given then had not passed any anti-corruption legislature when Natalee disappeared.  They drag their feet so on anything that has direct effect on any of TPTB.

But this is good to know that at least child pornography is illegal.  Next step is to stop the exploitation of mostly women and children globally so that it is illegal everywhere to practice anything that enslaves another human being even voluntarily.  Just a step above selling organs in my opinion.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 05:29:14 PM
BBL

Will try to make it for:

The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Listen LIVE Tonight at 9PM Eastern - Guests Discuss “True Crime” and Missing Persons Cases Past and Present, and Victims Rights
 
This evening, Dana welcomes:

Pat Brown, criminal profiler. “I Want To See Good In 2009.“
Lisa Wojna, author of the book, “Missing“
Drew Kesse, father of Jennifer Kesse now missing for three years.
Jacque Hollander, victims advocate and crime victim discusses the James Brown Trust.
LISTEN LIVE TONIGHT AT 9PM EASTERN

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 05:32:09 PM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 


Klaas - Not trying to bite the hand that feeds me LOL, but PI is not now, nor has he ever been a member at the Freebirds forum. 

Thanks, I assumed he was based on what some others had said.  So he knew information about what was in the trap from other sources than Freebirds...that's even more interresting/telling.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 05:39:28 PM
TONIGHT ON DANA PRETZER:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/pretzer011109.jpg)

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 11, 2009, 06:00:28 PM
Have you seen this one already . . ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/romekresina



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 11, 2009, 06:02:28 PM
Brinkman said on Aruba radio and Dutch TV that Oduber earns 25.000 euro a month.
now Oduber wants that Brinkman is going correct this by saying that he was wrong and only earns 5400 euro a month.

if Brinkman doesn't do this, Oduber is going to file a lawsuit against Brinkman.

http://www.destentor.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4328369/Arubaanse-premier-verdient-niet-zo-veel.ece


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 06:05:10 PM
Could the detective and his brother that Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words  possible be the Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?

Janet

++++++++

KYLE KINGSMAN -IN HIS OWN WORDS

CAPS - SHANGO - SIMIAN - DETECTIVE - BROTHER


Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Kyle: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle:  IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange. None of us pressed the two for more information because they clearly were VERY uncomfortable.

The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.

His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Personally, I think the detective was Simian. The guy kept his mouth shut for the most part but was obviously intelligent and knew a lot more than he led on. It didn't seem he immediately trusted us but gradually became more comfortable, enough to talk.

I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap. Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later. I think the whole game was bogus and he knew almost everything but was helping how he was able and felt comfortable. I don't understand why he had to use his brother and claim a "vision".

The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up. Not wanting to be implicated but still wanting to help, he could shift the information to a vision of his brothers, perhaps still help a bit and claim no-involvement. However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion. Perhaps I should find out his name. I never got it. We may never have.

Kyle: Based on the little I know of Simian, there are striking similarities that stood out after I laid down on the evening I met with the detective and his brother.Perhaps Simian is the detective and Shango is the brother.

Kyle:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle:   The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk. The brother did all the talking at first. It seemed to me the brother was acting out the "vision" scenario to protect the detective brother. It didn't feel like the brother was in any way corrupt or connected. Also, he wasn't that bright compared to the detective brother. After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.

Kyle:  The reason I think the detective is Simian is that:
- he is intimately connected to the case
- forced into silence
- both he and the brother seemed to want the case solved but the whole encounter was so cryptic
- he is condemned if his identity and knowledge were coth exposed. One or the other, he's still safe
- he was intelligent and had a good enough command over the english language (not common over the rest of the bunch)
- IF his brother was acting on his behalf with the whole 'I had a vision' act, then the detective's character supports pulling something like Simian off.
- the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.
- It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.
- his character was very cryptic; the way he moved, spoke, and asked questions was just not normal.

Kyle:  Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.

Kyle:  It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz

Kyle:  I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 06:10:11 PM
So is everybody at the Sitmeter webpage trying to figure out who is who?


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


The Referral page can be interesting as it sometimes will show what Google search the person was looking for that brought them to SM.

But I think I tired of it all long ago.  I have seen the State Dept, FBI, NFI and all kinds of news agencies lurking there many times.  Sometimes it can be interesting but sometimes dull.


I contend that the sitemeter could be a tool which was created by the Aruban "powers that be" to distract Monkeys from their objective to expose the corrupt investigation that has prevented justice from prevailed for Natalee Holloway.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 11, 2009, 06:10:13 PM
Brinkman said on Aruba radio and Dutch TV that Oduber earns 25.000 euro a month.
now Oduber wants that Brinkman is going correct this by saying that he was wrong and only earns 5400 euro a month.

if Brinkman doesn't do this, Oduber is going to file a lawsuit against Brinkman.

http://www.destentor.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4328369/Arubaanse-premier-verdient-niet-zo-veel.ece

Brinkman said that Oduber was making 60000 Aruban florin p/m, that would be about 33000 dollar.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 11, 2009, 06:13:46 PM
What`s that with you and Kyle Janet?
Are you in love with the guy or what ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: always 1 on January 11, 2009, 06:19:06 PM
Have you seen this one already . . ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/romekresina


Hi, I cant understand what the guy is saying about the pipes.  Can you tell me??  TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 11, 2009, 06:21:42 PM
Have you seen this one already . . ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/romekresina


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Pond%20Search%202008/Insidepipeshowingsplitlightned.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 11, 2009, 06:22:56 PM
Have you seen this one already . . ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/romekresina


Hi, I cant understand what the guy is saying about the pipes.  Can you tell me??  TIA

I don`t know either Always, maybe thats where he thinks Natalee is at . .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 11, 2009, 06:27:54 PM
According to Mos in his pressconference they did search all of the sewage pipes


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 11, 2009, 06:28:47 PM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 


Klaas - Not trying to bite the hand that feeds me LOL, but PI is not now, nor has he ever been a member at the Freebirds forum. 

Thanks, I assumed he was based on what some others had said.  So he knew information about what was in the trap from other sources than Freebirds...that's even more interresting/telling.

I understood, maybe incorrectly, that PI saw the information that the Freebirds
sent to Beth.  That was when he made the post here about the denim that
sent Kyle into a tailspin.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 11, 2009, 06:31:51 PM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 


Klaas - Not trying to bite the hand that feeds me LOL, but PI is not now, nor has he ever been a member at the Freebirds forum. 

Thanks, I assumed he was based on what some others had said.  So he knew information about what was in the trap from other sources than Freebirds...that's even more interresting/telling.

I understood, maybe incorrectly, that PI saw the information that the Freebirds
sent to Beth.  That was when he made the post here about the denim that
sent Kyle into a tailspin.

And why would you go into a tailspin if you knew the family had the pictures.

In my opinion you would go into that tailspin if those pictures weren't shown to the family.

JMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Ono on January 11, 2009, 06:33:06 PM
Isn't Interpol another agency that has to be "invited" in to a country to investigate?

Hey Anna!  I think so but am not certain.  If there ever was a case which needed Interpol, it's Natalee's.  Scotland Yard would be a help, as well.  Something just has to lance this boil.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: always 1 on January 11, 2009, 06:34:54 PM
But it sounds like the guy on the tape says something about a basement.  Can you have basements in Aruba???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 11, 2009, 06:39:17 PM
But it sounds like the guy on the tape says something about a basement.  Can you have basements in Aruba???

Of course Always, there are a lot of houses on THE EVIL ISLAND having basements beneath them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 06:39:52 PM
What`s that with you and Kyle Janet?
Are you in love with the guy or what ::MonkeyNoNo::

What is with Kyle??

bastibro ... I am very angry with Kyle Kingsman.  I cannot comprehend why you are not also angry?

In his own words ... Kyle revealed happenings while on board the Persistence which implied that there was a possibility that the last chance for Natalee Holloway to brought home to rest on American soil was forever lost.  Nevertheless ... Kyle failed to report to the FBI or share with the family upon his return to the United States.

bastibro ... put yourself in the place of Natalee Holloway's family.  If there was a possibility that the remains of your loved one could have been in that trap/cage ... would you not be distraught over the chain of custody that Kyle Kingman observed first hand and ... would you not be angry at Kyle Kingsman in his participation of furthering a cover up agenda through his lack of action.

I will not give up on this topic.  Justice for Natalee Holloway and ... closure for her long-suffering family dictates that pressure needs to be brought on Aruba to reveal the contents of the cage/trap.

Janet

+++++++


'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'The Abrams Report' for July 1
updated 7:47 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She deserves it, and everyone knows it, Martin, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2009, 06:39:59 PM
Have you seen this one already . . ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/romekresina



Whoa....he's psychic and is fighting demons...Sinner on the back of his shirt....just the thing that would make Beth board a plane to Canada??  I don't think so.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 11, 2009, 06:40:32 PM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 


Klaas - Not trying to bite the hand that feeds me LOL, but PI is not now, nor has he ever been a member at the Freebirds forum. 

Thanks, I assumed he was based on what some others had said.  So he knew information about what was in the trap from other sources than Freebirds...that's even more interresting/telling.

I understood, maybe incorrectly, that PI saw the information that the Freebirds
sent to Beth.  That was when he made the post here about the denim that
sent Kyle into a tailspin.

And why would you go into a tailspin if you knew the family had the pictures.

In my opinion you would go into that tailspin if those pictures weren't shown to the family.

JMO.

That is exactly how I see it, San.   You can almost read the panic
in Kyle's post when he asked PI to contact him privately.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 11, 2009, 06:43:53 PM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 


Klaas - Not trying to bite the hand that feeds me LOL, but PI is not now, nor has he ever been a member at the Freebirds forum. 

Thanks, I assumed he was based on what some others had said.  So he knew information about what was in the trap from other sources than Freebirds...that's even more interresting/telling.

I understood, maybe incorrectly, that PI saw the information that the Freebirds
sent to Beth.  That was when he made the post here about the denim that
sent Kyle into a tailspin.

And why would you go into a tailspin if you knew the family had the pictures.

In my opinion you would go into that tailspin if those pictures weren't shown to the family.

JMO.

That is exactly how I see it, San.   You can almost read the panic
in Kyle's post when he asked PI to contact him privately.

Right.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: always 1 on January 11, 2009, 06:44:56 PM
But it sounds like the guy on the tape says something about a basement.  Can you have basements in Aruba???

Of course Always, there are a lot of houses on THE EVIL ISLAND having basements beneath them.
Oh we dont have basements here, the river goes right through the middle of town.  Only the houses that are about 70 years old have basements because they didnt  realize they would always be full of water.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 06:49:46 PM
What`s that with you and Kyle Janet?
Are you in love with the guy or what ::MonkeyNoNo::

What is with Kyle??

bastibro ... I am very angry with Kyle Kingsman.  I cannot comprehend why you are not also angry?

In his own words ... Kyle revealed happenings while on board the Persistence which implied that there was a possibility that the last chance for Natalee Holloway to brought home to rest on American soil was forever lost.  Nevertheless ... Kyle failed to report to the FBI or share with the family upon his return to the United States.

bastibro ... put yourself in the place of Natalee Holloway's family.  If there was a possibility that the remains of your loved one could have been in that trap/cage ... would you not be distraught over the chain of custody that Kyle Kingman observed first hand and ... would you not be angry at Kyle Kingsman in his participation of furthering a cover up agenda through his lack of action.

I will not give up on this topic.  Justice for Natalee Holloway and ... closure for her long-suffering family dictates that pressure needs to be brought on Aruba to reveal the contents of the cage/trap.

Janet

+++++++


'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'The Abrams Report' for July 1
updated 7:47 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She deserves it, and everyone knows it, Martin, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


These are Kyle's own words.If one can't find the problems within his own words? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 11, 2009, 06:50:18 PM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 


Klaas - Not trying to bite the hand that feeds me LOL, but PI is not now, nor has he ever been a member at the Freebirds forum. 

Thanks, I assumed he was based on what some others had said.  So he knew information about what was in the trap from other sources than Freebirds...that's even more interresting/telling.

I understood, maybe incorrectly, that PI saw the information that the Freebirds
sent to Beth.  That was when he made the post here about the denim that
sent Kyle into a tailspin.

And why would you go into a tailspin if you knew the family had the pictures.

In my opinion you would go into that tailspin if those pictures weren't shown to the family.

JMO.

San is correct. Kyle had not shown the photos to the family until he showed them to Freebirds and one of them showed them to PI. That is how PI saw them and I tried to get ahold of Beth about it, but she was out of town. That is why PI posted here at SM about the blue denim. Kyle was very upset and wanted to do damage control.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 11, 2009, 06:51:08 PM
But it sounds like the guy on the tape says something about a basement.  Can you have basements in Aruba???

Of course Always, there are a lot of houses on THE EVIL ISLAND having basements beneath them.
Oh we dont have basements here, the river goes right through the middle of town.  Only the houses that are about 70 years old have basements because they didnt  realize they would always be full of water.

On an island, a basement or a sewer would fill with water every
time the tide comes in.  That is why Aruba uses those ponds for drainage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2009, 06:53:17 PM
But it sounds like the guy on the tape says something about a basement.  Can you have basements in Aruba???

Of course Always, there are a lot of houses on THE EVIL ISLAND having basements beneath them.
Oh we dont have basements here, the river goes right through the middle of town.  Only the houses that are about 70 years old have basements because they didnt  realize they would always be full of water.

We were told by an aruban poster that there were few houses with basements there because of the hard, volcanic soil, not because of the surrounding water.  Same was said of cemeteries having crypts instead of inground burial.  Yet, I am certain that contractors dig some sort of foundation to secure buildings there, but a lot do look like they are on a slab, imo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 11, 2009, 06:55:13 PM
But it sounds like the guy on the tape says something about a basement.  Can you have basements in Aruba???

Of course Always, there are a lot of houses on THE EVIL ISLAND having basements beneath them.
Oh we dont have basements here, the river goes right through the middle of town.  Only the houses that are about 70 years old have basements because they didnt  realize they would always be full of water.

On an island, a basement or a sewer would fill with water every
time the tide comes in.  That is why Aruba uses those ponds for drainage.

Should be ponds.  Sorry.

Fixed it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 11, 2009, 06:55:56 PM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 


Klaas - Not trying to bite the hand that feeds me LOL, but PI is not now, nor has he ever been a member at the Freebirds forum. 

Thanks, I assumed he was based on what some others had said.  So he knew information about what was in the trap from other sources than Freebirds...that's even more interresting/telling.

I understood, maybe incorrectly, that PI saw the information that the Freebirds
sent to Beth.  That was when he made the post here about the denim that
sent Kyle into a tailspin.

And why would you go into a tailspin if you knew the family had the pictures.

In my opinion you would go into that tailspin if those pictures weren't shown to the family.

JMO.

San is correct. Kyle had not shown the photos to the family until he showed them to Freebirds and one of them showed them to PI. That is how PI saw them and I tried to get ahold of Beth about it, but she was out of town. That is why PI posted here at SM about the blue denim. Kyle was very upset and wanted to do damage control.



I agree Kermit.  :)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 11, 2009, 06:57:04 PM
But it sounds like the guy on the tape says something about a basement.  Can you have basements in Aruba???

Of course Always, there are a lot of houses on THE EVIL ISLAND having basements beneath them.
Oh we don't have basements here, the river goes right through the middle of town.  Only the houses that are about 70 years old have basements because they didn't realize they would always be full of water.

LOL  Amsterdam is built on stilts. We have allot of basements here, especially the older houses. They have to pump allot to keep them dry  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 06:57:22 PM
Hey Kermit!CAn you believe CapsLockWizard tolds us there was going to be a Major player arrested this week and it didn't happen! ::MonkeyLaugh:: I've been emotionally distraught all weekend. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
So a birdie let the cat outta the bag, sotospeak....?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 11, 2009, 06:59:24 PM
Hi.....I think that one of our early Aruban posters told us that Lorenzo was the only one
on the island with a basement....the place he used for parties.  If that information has changed, just go ahead and beat me..... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: always 1 on January 11, 2009, 07:01:04 PM
Hi.....I think that one of our early Aruban posters told us that Lorenzo was the only one
on the island with a basement....the place he used for parties.  If that information has changed, just go ahead and beat me..... ::MonkeyDance::
Really, well that makes sense. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2009, 07:01:12 PM
So a birdie let the cat outta the bag, sotospeak....?

What I mean is was it a birdie who showed them to PI or a family member?  I just reread your post, Kermit and may have misunderstood.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 07:02:13 PM

Could the detective and his brother who Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words possibly be Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?

Janet


++++++++

KYLE KINGSMAN -IN HIS OWN WORDS

CAPS - SHANGO - SIMIAN - DETECTIVE - BROTHER


Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Kyle: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle:  IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange. None of us pressed the two for more information because they clearly were VERY uncomfortable.

The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.

His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Personally, I think the detective was Simian. The guy kept his mouth shut for the most part but was obviously intelligent and knew a lot more than he led on. It didn't seem he immediately trusted us but gradually became more comfortable, enough to talk.

I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap. Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later. I think the whole game was bogus and he knew almost everything but was helping how he was able and felt comfortable. I don't understand why he had to use his brother and claim a "vision".

The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up. Not wanting to be implicated but still wanting to help, he could shift the information to a vision of his brothers, perhaps still help a bit and claim no-involvement. However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion. Perhaps I should find out his name. I never got it. We may never have.

Kyle: Based on the little I know of Simian, there are striking similarities that stood out after I laid down on the evening I met with the detective and his brother.Perhaps Simian is the detective and Shango is the brother.

Kyle:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle:   The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk. The brother did all the talking at first. It seemed to me the brother was acting out the "vision" scenario to protect the detective brother. It didn't feel like the brother was in any way corrupt or connected. Also, he wasn't that bright compared to the detective brother. After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.

Kyle:  The reason I think the detective is Simian is that:
- he is intimately connected to the case
- forced into silence
- both he and the brother seemed to want the case solved but the whole encounter was so cryptic
- he is condemned if his identity and knowledge were coth exposed. One or the other, he's still safe
- he was intelligent and had a good enough command over the english language (not common over the rest of the bunch)
- IF his brother was acting on his behalf with the whole 'I had a vision' act, then the detective's character supports pulling something like Simian off.
- the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.
- It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.
- his character was very cryptic; the way he moved, spoke, and asked questions was just not normal.

Kyle:  Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.

Kyle:  It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz

Kyle:  I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.



I would appreciate some feedback.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2009, 07:02:57 PM
Hi.....I think that one of our early Aruban posters told us that Lorenzo was the only one
on the island with a basement....the place he used for parties.  If that information has changed, just go ahead and beat me..... ::MonkeyDance::

Mere, that's where I thought my recollection came from....don't have the quotes, right now to prove either one of us wrong...and you definitely are not getting a beating.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 11, 2009, 07:07:14 PM
Hi.....I think that one of our early Aruban posters told us that Lorenzo was the only one
on the island with a basement....the place he used for parties.  If that information has changed, just go ahead and beat me..... ::MonkeyDance::

You are right Mere.  I just don't remember who said it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 11, 2009, 07:07:41 PM
Hey Kermit!CAn you believe CapsLockWizard tolds us there was going to be a Major player arrested this week and it didn't happen! ::MonkeyLaugh:: I've been emotionally distraught all weekend. ::MonkeyDance::

LOL I noticed.
You've kept me laughing all week with those posts.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 11, 2009, 07:08:32 PM
So a birdie let the cat outta the bag, sotospeak....?

yes.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 07:09:29 PM
Hi.....I think that one of our early Aruban posters told us that Lorenzo was the only one
on the island with a basement....the place he used for parties.  If that information has changed, just go ahead and beat me..... ::MonkeyDance::

I think you're correct too Mere, even if you're not; no one will beat you!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2009, 07:09:50 PM
Thank you, Kermit.  Guess I'd better freshen up my fly catching skills.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 07:10:04 PM
So a birdie let the cat outta the bag, sotospeak....?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 07:11:48 PM
Hi.....I think that one of our early Aruban posters told us that Lorenzo was the only one
on the island with a basement....the place he used for parties.  If that information has changed, just go ahead and beat me..... ::MonkeyDance::

Mere - you are correct! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 11, 2009, 07:13:08 PM

Could the detective and his brother who Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words possibly be Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?Janet

Kyle would have recognized the Kalpoes if they were with the Detective and his brother.

I think Kyle suspected someone was leaking information to Destiny and Caps.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 11, 2009, 07:13:47 PM
Thank you, Kermit.  Guess I'd better freshen up my fly catching skills.   ::MonkeyWink::

big net or long tongue works.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 11, 2009, 07:14:08 PM
There are a number of references to Lorenzo's basement....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 11, 2009, 07:14:37 PM
Hi.....I think that one of our early Aruban posters told us that Lorenzo was the only one
on the island with a basement....the place he used for parties.  If that information has changed, just go ahead and beat me..... ::MonkeyDance::

You are right Mere.  I just don't remember who said it.

Yes, he had a basement, where clothing of Natalee would have been


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 07:14:40 PM

Could the detective and his brother who Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words possibly be Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?

Janet


++++++++

KYLE KINGSMAN -IN HIS OWN WORDS

CAPS - SHANGO - SIMIAN - DETECTIVE - BROTHER


Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Kyle: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle:  IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange. None of us pressed the two for more information because they clearly were VERY uncomfortable.

The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.

His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Personally, I think the detective was Simian. The guy kept his mouth shut for the most part but was obviously intelligent and knew a lot more than he led on. It didn't seem he immediately trusted us but gradually became more comfortable, enough to talk.

I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap. Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later. I think the whole game was bogus and he knew almost everything but was helping how he was able and felt comfortable. I don't understand why he had to use his brother and claim a "vision".

The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up. Not wanting to be implicated but still wanting to help, he could shift the information to a vision of his brothers, perhaps still help a bit and claim no-involvement. However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion. Perhaps I should find out his name. I never got it. We may never have.

Kyle: Based on the little I know of Simian, there are striking similarities that stood out after I laid down on the evening I met with the detective and his brother.Perhaps Simian is the detective and Shango is the brother.

Kyle:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle:   The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk. The brother did all the talking at first. It seemed to me the brother was acting out the "vision" scenario to protect the detective brother. It didn't feel like the brother was in any way corrupt or connected. Also, he wasn't that bright compared to the detective brother. After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.

Kyle:  The reason I think the detective is Simian is that:
- he is intimately connected to the case
- forced into silence
- both he and the brother seemed to want the case solved but the whole encounter was so cryptic
- he is condemned if his identity and knowledge were coth exposed. One or the other, he's still safe
- he was intelligent and had a good enough command over the english language (not common over the rest of the bunch)
- IF his brother was acting on his behalf with the whole 'I had a vision' act, then the detective's character supports pulling something like Simian off.
- the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.
- It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.
- his character was very cryptic; the way he moved, spoke, and asked questions was just not normal.

Kyle:  Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.

Kyle:  It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz

Kyle:  I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.



I would appreciate some feedback.

Thanks

Janet

With this Janet i honestly don't know!I've not followed Caps as much as others have but if this week is indicative of the way he's handled himself in the past i wouldn't invest to much more time in him personally.JMOO.Would love to know who he his and then maybe we'd have a better understanding!Eduardo,Serge,Dompig,Michael Dompig?I just don't know. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 07:16:33 PM

Could the detective and his brother who Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words possibly be Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?Janet

Kyle would have recognized the Kalpoes if they were with the Detective and his brother.

I think Kyle suspected someone was leaking information to Destiny and Caps.




If true.Who has contact with both Destiny,as well as Caps?If it matters i do'nt know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2009, 07:18:28 PM
Thank you, Kermit.  Guess I'd better freshen up my fly catching skills.   ::MonkeyWink::

big net or long tongue works.



Not telling what method I used...     ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/2624381001_de7f76fa23.jpg?v=0)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 07:18:56 PM

Could the detective and his brother who Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words possibly be Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?Janet

Kyle would have recognized the Kalpoes if they were with the Detective and his brother.

I think Kyle suspected someone was leaking information to Destiny and Caps.





Keepthefaith
"If true.Who has contact with both Destiny,as well as Caps?If it matters i do'nt know."

Corrected that last post.Sorry!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bastibro on January 11, 2009, 07:19:14 PM

Could the detective and his brother who Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words possibly be Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?

Janet


++++++++

KYLE KINGSMAN -IN HIS OWN WORDS

CAPS - SHANGO - SIMIAN - DETECTIVE - BROTHER


Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Kyle: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle:  IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange. None of us pressed the two for more information because they clearly were VERY uncomfortable.

The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.

His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Personally, I think the detective was Simian. The guy kept his mouth shut for the most part but was obviously intelligent and knew a lot more than he led on. It didn't seem he immediately trusted us but gradually became more comfortable, enough to talk.

I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap. Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later. I think the whole game was bogus and he knew almost everything but was helping how he was able and felt comfortable. I don't understand why he had to use his brother and claim a "vision".

The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up. Not wanting to be implicated but still wanting to help, he could shift the information to a vision of his brothers, perhaps still help a bit and claim no-involvement. However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion. Perhaps I should find out his name. I never got it. We may never have.

Kyle: Based on the little I know of Simian, there are striking similarities that stood out after I laid down on the evening I met with the detective and his brother.Perhaps Simian is the detective and Shango is the brother.

Kyle:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle:   The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk. The brother did all the talking at first. It seemed to me the brother was acting out the "vision" scenario to protect the detective brother. It didn't feel like the brother was in any way corrupt or connected. Also, he wasn't that bright compared to the detective brother. After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.

Kyle:  The reason I think the detective is Simian is that:
- he is intimately connected to the case
- forced into silence
- both he and the brother seemed to want the case solved but the whole encounter was so cryptic
- he is condemned if his identity and knowledge were coth exposed. One or the other, he's still safe
- he was intelligent and had a good enough command over the english language (not common over the rest of the bunch)
- IF his brother was acting on his behalf with the whole 'I had a vision' act, then the detective's character supports pulling something like Simian off.
- the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.
- It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.
- his character was very cryptic; the way he moved, spoke, and asked questions was just not normal.

Kyle:  Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.

Kyle:  It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz

Kyle:  I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.



I would appreciate some feedback.

Thanks

Janet

With this Janet i honestly don't know!I've not followed Caps as much as others have but if this week is indicative of the way he's handled himself in the past i wouldn't invest to much more time in him personally.JMOO.Would love to know who he his and then maybe we'd have a better understanding!Eduardo,Serge,Dompig,Michael Dompig?I just don't know. ::MonkeyConfused::

No Caps is an older guy from Aruba(i think to know)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 11, 2009, 07:21:36 PM

Could the detective and his brother who Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words possibly be Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?

Janet


++++++++

KYLE KINGSMAN -IN HIS OWN WORDS

CAPS - SHANGO - SIMIAN - DETECTIVE - BROTHER


Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Kyle: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle:  IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange. None of us pressed the two for more information because they clearly were VERY uncomfortable.

The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.

His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Personally, I think the detective was Simian. The guy kept his mouth shut for the most part but was obviously intelligent and knew a lot more than he led on. It didn't seem he immediately trusted us but gradually became more comfortable, enough to talk.

I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap. Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later. I think the whole game was bogus and he knew almost everything but was helping how he was able and felt comfortable. I don't understand why he had to use his brother and claim a "vision".

The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up. Not wanting to be implicated but still wanting to help, he could shift the information to a vision of his brothers, perhaps still help a bit and claim no-involvement. However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion. Perhaps I should find out his name. I never got it. We may never have.

Kyle: Based on the little I know of Simian, there are striking similarities that stood out after I laid down on the evening I met with the detective and his brother.Perhaps Simian is the detective and Shango is the brother.

Kyle:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle:   The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk. The brother did all the talking at first. It seemed to me the brother was acting out the "vision" scenario to protect the detective brother. It didn't feel like the brother was in any way corrupt or connected. Also, he wasn't that bright compared to the detective brother. After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.

Kyle:  The reason I think the detective is Simian is that:
- he is intimately connected to the case
- forced into silence
- both he and the brother seemed to want the case solved but the whole encounter was so cryptic
- he is condemned if his identity and knowledge were coth exposed. One or the other, he's still safe
- he was intelligent and had a good enough command over the english language (not common over the rest of the bunch)
- IF his brother was acting on his behalf with the whole 'I had a vision' act, then the detective's character supports pulling something like Simian off.
- the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.
- It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.
- his character was very cryptic; the way he moved, spoke, and asked questions was just not normal.

Kyle:  Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.

Kyle:  It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz

Kyle:  I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.



I would appreciate some feedback.

Thanks

Janet

With this Janet i honestly don't know!I've not followed Caps as much as others have but if this week is indicative of the way he's handled himself in the past i wouldn't invest to much more time in him personally.JMOO.Would love to know who he his and then maybe we'd have a better understanding!Eduardo,Serge,Dompig,Michael Dompig?I just don't know. ::MonkeyConfused::

No Caps is an older guy from Aruba(i think to know)

So you know who Caps is?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 11, 2009, 07:23:26 PM
There are a number of references to Lorenzo's basement....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2

Thanks Mere.  That link isn't working for me.

Here is a link I found I don't know if it is the one you were looking at.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=77.msg16003#msg16003


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 11, 2009, 07:34:14 PM
Could the detective and his brother that Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words  possible be the Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?

Janet

++++++++

KYLE KINGSMAN -IN HIS OWN WORDS

CAPS - SHANGO - SIMIAN - DETECTIVE - BROTHER


Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Kyle: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle:  IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange. None of us pressed the two for more information because they clearly were VERY uncomfortable.

The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.

His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Personally, I think the detective was Simian. The guy kept his mouth shut for the most part but was obviously intelligent and knew a lot more than he led on. It didn't seem he immediately trusted us but gradually became more comfortable, enough to talk.

I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap. Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later. I think the whole game was bogus and he knew almost everything but was helping how he was able and felt comfortable. I don't understand why he had to use his brother and claim a "vision".

The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up. Not wanting to be implicated but still wanting to help, he could shift the information to a vision of his brothers, perhaps still help a bit and claim no-involvement. However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion. Perhaps I should find out his name. I never got it. We may never have.

Kyle: Based on the little I know of Simian, there are striking similarities that stood out after I laid down on the evening I met with the detective and his brother.Perhaps Simian is the detective and Shango is the brother.

Kyle:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle:   The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk. The brother did all the talking at first. It seemed to me the brother was acting out the "vision" scenario to protect the detective brother. It didn't feel like the brother was in any way corrupt or connected. Also, he wasn't that bright compared to the detective brother. After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.

Kyle:  The reason I think the detective is Simian is that:
- he is intimately connected to the case
- forced into silence
- both he and the brother seemed to want the case solved but the whole encounter was so cryptic
- he is condemned if his identity and knowledge were coth exposed. One or the other, he's still safe
- he was intelligent and had a good enough command over the english language (not common over the rest of the bunch)
- IF his brother was acting on his behalf with the whole 'I had a vision' act, then the detective's character supports pulling something like Simian off.
- the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.
- It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.
- his character was very cryptic; the way he moved, spoke, and asked questions was just not normal.

Kyle:  Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.

Kyle:  It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz

Kyle:  I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.



Janet, I asked kermit long time ago to please tell me Deepak and Satish are not the brothers being discussed.  No comment from her on that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 07:35:44 PM

Could the detective and his brother who Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words possibly be Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?Janet


Kyle would have recognized the Kalpoes if they were with the Detective and his brother.

I think Kyle suspected someone was leaking information to Destiny and Caps.


Thanks Kermit.

The overview that Kyle gives of the dectective and his brother appears to fit the Kalpoe brothers.

I am not sure how much background that Kyle or Silvetti had in regards to the Natalee Holloway case and ... this makes me thing that possibily they did not know who they were dealing with.

Think about it.  Logic dictates that the outcome of a joint venture with those who have from the getgo prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... is not going to be positive.

I had my doubts regarding Kyle's actual understanding of the situation when I read the following words of his post submitted to the Scared Monkey's site.

Janet


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:25 PM »

Thought you all may find this interesting if you're willing to accept it-

To date, the Aruban police and dive team has been a tremendous help. They've honestly done a great job. Over the last month we've established a very good working relationship based on openness and trust. Most of the relationship success was due to getting the media out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder over time. We've helped each other however and whenever we can. They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. Most of the police and divers are new since this case started and both eager and careful to do things right. I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to establish the relationships and trust. I know many of you would likely doubt this view, but it's based on the experiences in the field of the entire search team. I too was extremely worried, paranoid, and suspecting in the beginning. Now, it's clear we're all working towards a common goal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332457;topicseen#msg332457



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 07:39:26 PM
Could the detective and his brother that Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words  possible be the Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?

Janet

++++++++

KYLE KINGSMAN -IN HIS OWN WORDS

CAPS - SHANGO - SIMIAN - DETECTIVE - BROTHER


Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Kyle: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle:  IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange. None of us pressed the two for more information because they clearly were VERY uncomfortable.

The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.

His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Personally, I think the detective was Simian. The guy kept his mouth shut for the most part but was obviously intelligent and knew a lot more than he led on. It didn't seem he immediately trusted us but gradually became more comfortable, enough to talk.

I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap. Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later. I think the whole game was bogus and he knew almost everything but was helping how he was able and felt comfortable. I don't understand why he had to use his brother and claim a "vision".

The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up. Not wanting to be implicated but still wanting to help, he could shift the information to a vision of his brothers, perhaps still help a bit and claim no-involvement. However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion. Perhaps I should find out his name. I never got it. We may never have.

Kyle: Based on the little I know of Simian, there are striking similarities that stood out after I laid down on the evening I met with the detective and his brother.Perhaps Simian is the detective and Shango is the brother.

Kyle:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle:   The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk. The brother did all the talking at first. It seemed to me the brother was acting out the "vision" scenario to protect the detective brother. It didn't feel like the brother was in any way corrupt or connected. Also, he wasn't that bright compared to the detective brother. After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.

Kyle:  The reason I think the detective is Simian is that:
- he is intimately connected to the case
- forced into silence
- both he and the brother seemed to want the case solved but the whole encounter was so cryptic
- he is condemned if his identity and knowledge were coth exposed. One or the other, he's still safe
- he was intelligent and had a good enough command over the english language (not common over the rest of the bunch)
- IF his brother was acting on his behalf with the whole 'I had a vision' act, then the detective's character supports pulling something like Simian off.
- the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.
- It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.
- his character was very cryptic; the way he moved, spoke, and asked questions was just not normal.

Kyle:  Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.

Kyle:  It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz

Kyle:  I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.



Janet, I asked kermit long time ago to please tell me Deepak and Satish are not the brothers being discussed.  No comment from her on that.

Kermit assumes that Kyle Kingman and John Silvetti would automatically recognize Deepak and Satish but ... as I explained in a prior post that might not necessarily be the case.

Just a wannabe detective speculating.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2009, 07:45:52 PM

Could the detective and his brother who Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words possibly be Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?Janet


Kyle would have recognized the Kalpoes if they were with the Detective and his brother.

I think Kyle suspected someone was leaking information to Destiny and Caps.


Thanks Kermit.

The description overview that Kyle Kingman provides of the dectective and his brother appears to fit the Kalpoe brothers.

I am not sure how much background that Kyle or Silvetti had in regards to the Natalee Holloway case and ... this makes me think that possibily they did not know who they were dealing with.

Think about it.  Logic dictates that the outcome of a joint venture with those who have from the getgo prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... is not going to be positive.

I had my doubts regarding Kyle's actual understanding of the situation when I read the following words of his post submitted to the Scared Monkey's site.

Janet

_______


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:25 PM »


Thought you all may find this interesting if you're willing to accept it-

To date, the Aruban police and dive team has been a tremendous help. They've honestly done a great job. Over the last month we've established a very good working relationship based on openness and trust. Most of the relationship success was due to getting the media out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder over time. We've helped each other however and whenever we can. They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. Most of the police and divers are new since this case started and both eager and careful to do things right. I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to establish the relationships and trust. I know many of you would likely doubt this view, but it's based on the experiences in the field of the entire search team. I too was extremely worried, paranoid, and suspecting in the beginning. Now, it's clear we're all working towards a common goal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332457;topicseen#msg332457



Private Eye comprehends the dynamic encompassing the coverup in the Natalee Holloway investigation perfectly.

Janet

+++++++

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2009, 08:38:22 PM
The period of time spoken about in this segment of 60 minutes made me think of last year this time and the Persistance endeavor.  It was one of my thoughts while watching.  I don't have the answers, just more questions.  Anything is possible.

************

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/08/60minutes/main4707770.shtml
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Did Speculation Fuel Oil Price Swings?

Jan. 11, 2009
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(CBS) About the only economic break most Americans have gotten in the last six months has been the drastic drop in the price of oil, which has fallen even more precipitously than it rose. In a year's time, a commodity that was theoretically priced according to supply and demand doubled from $69 a barrel to nearly $150, and then, in a period of just three months, crashed along with the stock market.

So what happened? It's a complicated question, and there are lots of theories. But as correspondent Steve Kroft reports, many people believe it was a speculative bubble, not unlike the one that caused the housing crisis, and that it had more to do with traders and speculators on Wall Street than with oil company executives or sheiks in Saudi Arabia.


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To understand what happened to the price of oil, you first have to understand the way it's traded. For years it has been bought and sold on something called the commodities futures market. At the New York Mercantile Exchange, it's traded alongside cotton and coffee, copper and steel by brokers who buy and sell contracts to deliver those goods at a certain price at some date in the future.

It was created so that farmers could gauge what their unharvested crops would be worth months in advance, so that factories could lock in the best price for raw materials, and airlines could manage their fuel costs. But more than a year ago those markets started to behave erratically. And when oil doubled to more than $147 a barrel, no one was more suspicious than Dan Gilligan.

As the president of the Petroleum Marketers Association, he represents more than 8,000 retail and wholesale suppliers, everyone from home heating oil companies to gas station owners.

When 60 Minutes talked to him last summer, his members were getting blamed for gouging the public, even though their costs had also gone through the roof. He told Kroft the problem was in the commodities markets, which had been invaded by a new breed of investor.

"Approximately 60 to 70 percent of the oil contracts in the futures markets are now held by speculative entities. Not by companies that need oil, not by the airlines, not by the oil companies. But by investors that are looking to make money from their speculative positions," Gilligan explained.

Gilligan said these investors don't actually take delivery of the oil. "All they do is buy the paper, and hope that they can sell it for more than they paid for it. Before they have to take delivery."

"They're trying to make money on the market for oil?" Kroft asked.

"Absolutely," Gilligan replied. "On the volatility that exists in the market. They make it going up and down."

He says his members in the home heating oil business, like Sean Cota of Bellows Falls, Vt., were the first to notice the effects a few years ago when prices seemed to disconnect from the basic fundamentals of supply and demand. Cota says there was plenty of product at the supply terminals, but the prices kept going up and up.

"We've had three price changes during the day where we pick up products, actually don't know what we paid for it and we'll go out and we'll sell that to the retail customer guessing at what the price was," Cota remembered. "The volatility is being driven by the huge amounts of money and the huge amounts of leverage that is going in to these markets."

About the same time, hedge fund manager Michael Masters reached the same conclusion. Masters' expertise is in tracking the flow of investments into and out of financial markets and he noticed huge amounts of money leaving stocks for commodities and oil futures, most of it going into index funds, betting the price of oil was going to go up.

Asked who was buying this "paper oil," Masters told Kroft, "The California pension fund. Harvard Endowment. Lots of large institutional investors. And, by the way, other investors, hedge funds, Wall Street trading desks were following right behind them, putting money - sovereign wealth funds were putting money in the futures markets as well. So you had all these investors putting money in the futures markets. And that was driving the price up."

In a five year period, Masters said the amount of money institutional investors, hedge funds, and the big Wall Street banks had placed in the commodities markets went from $13 billion to $300 billion. Last year, 27 barrels of crude were being traded every day on the New York Mercantile Exchange for every one barrel of oil that was actually being consumed in the United States.

"We talked to the largest physical trader of crude oil. And they told us that compared to the size of the investment inflows - and remember, this is the largest physical crude oil trader in the United States - they said that we are basically a flea on an elephant, that that's how big these flows were," Masters remembered.

Yet when Congress began holding hearings last summer and asked Wall Street banker Lawrence Eagles of J.P. Morgan what role excessive speculation played in rising oil prices, the answer was little to none. "We believe that high energy prices are fundamentally a result of supply and demand," he said in his testimony.

As it turns out, not even J.P. Morgan's chief global investment officer agreed with him. The same that day Eagles testified, an e-mail went out to clients saying "an enormous amount of speculation" ran up the price" and "140 dollars in July was ridiculous."

If anyone had any doubts, they were dispelled a few days after that hearing when the price of oil jumped $25 in a single day. That day was Sept. 22.

Michael Greenberger, a former director of trading for the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission, the federal agency that oversees oil futures, says there were no supply disruptions that could have justified such a big increase.

"Did China and India suddenly have gigantic needs for new oil products in a single day? No. Everybody agrees supply-demand could not drive the price up $25, which was a record increase in the price of oil. The price of oil went from somewhere in the 60s to $147 in less than a year. And we were being told, on that run-up, 'It's supply-demand, supply-demand, supply-demand,'" Greenberger said.

A recent report out of MIT, analyzing world oil production and consumption, also concluded that the basic fundamentals of supply and demand could not have been responsible for last year's run-up in oil prices. And Michael Masters says the U.S. Department of Energy's own statistics show that if the markets had been working properly, the price of oil should have been going down, not up.

"From quarter four of '07 until the second quarter of '08 the EIA, the Energy Information Administration, said that supply went up, worldwide supply went up. And worldwide demand went down. So you have supply going up and demand going down, which generally means the price is going down," Masters told Kroft.

"And this was the period of the spike," Kroft noted.

"This was the period of the spike," Masters agreed. "So you had the largest price increase in history during a time when actual demand was going down and actual supply was going up during the same period. However, the only thing that makes sense that lifted the price was investor demand."

Masters believes the investor demand for commodities, and oil futures in particular, was created on Wall Street by hedge funds and the big Wall Street investment banks like Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Barclays, and J.P. Morgan, who made billions investing hundreds of billions of dollars of their clients’ money.

"The investment banks facilitated it," Masters said. "You know, they found folks to write papers espousing the benefits of investing in commodities. And then they promoted commodities as a, quote/unquote, 'asset class.' Like, you could invest in commodities just like you could in stocks or bonds or anything else, like they were suitable for long-term investment."

Dan Gilligan of the Petroleum Marketers Association agreed.

"Are you saying that companies like Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley and Barclays have as much to do with the price of oil going up as Exxon? Or…Shell?" Kroft asked.

"Yes," Gilligan said. "I tease people sometimes that, you know, people say, 'Well, who's the largest oil company in America?' And they'll always say, 'Well, Exxon Mobil or Chevron, or BP.' But I'll say, 'No. Morgan Stanley.'"

Morgan Stanley isn't an oil company in the traditional sense of the word - it doesn't own or control oil wells or refineries, or gas stations. But according to documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Morgan Stanley is a significant player in the wholesale market through various entities controlled by the corporation.

It not only buys and sells the physical product through subsidiaries and companies that it controls, Morgan Stanley has the capacity to store and hold 20 million barrels. For example, some storage tanks in New Haven, Conn. hold Morgan Stanley heating oil bound for homes in New England, where it controls nearly 15 percent of the market.

The Wall Street bank Goldman Sachs also has huge stakes in companies that own a refinery in Coffeyville, Kan., and control 43,000 miles of pipeline and more than 150 storage terminals.

And analysts at both investment banks contributed to the oil frenzy that drove prices to record highs: Goldman's top oil analyst predicted last March that the price of a barrel was going to $200; Morgan Stanley predicted $150 a barrel.

Both companies declined 60 Minutes' requests for an interview, but maintain that their oil businesses are completely separate from their trading activities, and that neither influence the independent opinions of their analysts. There is no evidence that either company has done anything illegal.

Asked if there is price manipulation going on, Dan Gilligan told Kroft, "I can't say. And the reason I can't say it, is because nobody knows. Our federal regulators don't have access to the data. They don't know who holds what positions."

"Why don't they know?" Kroft asked.

"Because federal law doesn't give them the jurisdiction to find out," Gilligan said.

It's impossible to tell exactly who was buying and selling all those oil contracts because most of the trading is now conducted in secret, with no public scrutiny or government oversight. Over time, the big Wall Street banks were allowed to buy and sell as many oil contracts as they wanted for their clients, circumventing regulations intended to limit speculation. And in 2000, Congress effectively deregulated the futures market, granting exemptions for complicated derivative investments called oil swaps, as well as electronic trading on private exchanges.

"Who was responsible for deregulating the oil future market?" Kroft asked Michael Greenberger.

"You'd have to say Enron," he replied. "This was something they desperately wanted, and they got."

Greenberger, who wanted more regulation while he was at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, not less, says it all happened when Enron was the seventh largest corporation in the United States. "This was when Enron was riding high. And what Enron wanted, Enron got."

Asked why they wanted a deregulated market in oil futures, Greenberger said, "Because they wanted to establish their own little energy futures exchange through computerized trading. They knew that if they could get this trading engine established without the controls that had been placed on speculators, they would have the ability to drive the price of energy products in any way they wanted to take it."

"When Enron failed, we learned that Enron, and its conspirators who used their trading engine, were able to drive the price of electricity up, some say, by as much as 300 percent on the West Coast," he added.

"Is the same thing going on right now in the oil business?" Kroft asked.

"Every Enron trader, who knew how to do these manipulations, became the most valuable employee on Wall Street," Greenberger said.

But some of them may now be looking for work. The oil bubble began to deflate early last fall when Congress threatened new regulations and federal agencies announced they were beginning major investigations. It finally popped with the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers and the near collapse of AIG, who were both heavily invested in the oil markets. With hedge funds and investment houses facing margin calls, the speculators headed for the exits.

"From July 15th until the end of November, roughly $70 billion came out of commodities futures from these index funds," Masters explained. "In fact, gasoline demand went down by roughly five percent over that same period of time. Yet the price of crude oil dropped more than $100 a barrel. It dropped 75 percent."

Asked how he explains that, Masters said, "By looking at investors, that's the only way you can explain it."


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: always 1 on January 11, 2009, 08:41:35 PM
You have probably discussed this, but isnt Lorenzo young, with kinda long dark hair???  How does he get so much money?  Family?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 11, 2009, 08:48:34 PM
You have probably discussed this, Yes we have. but isnt Lorenzo young, Yes he is  with kinda long dark hair??? No.   How does he get so much money?  Drugs  Family?

Answers in red.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 08:50:14 PM
You have probably discussed this, but isnt Lorenzo young, with kinda long dark hair???  How does he get so much money?  Family?

All depends upon what you call young.  Some do very well selling and trafficing drugs.  This is a photo of him last year when he was arrested on the drug charge.  Nothing came of it of course.  Also I don't consider this long hair  ::MonkeyWink:::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Lorenzovanrijn.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Lorenzopics.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: always 1 on January 11, 2009, 08:52:42 PM
You have probably discussed this, but isnt Lorenzo young, with kinda long dark hair???  How does he get so much money?  Family?

All depends upon what you call young.  Some do very well selling and trafficing drugs.  This is a photo of him last year when he was arrested on the drug charge.  Nothing came of it of course.  Also I don't consider this long hair  ::MonkeyWink:::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Lorenzovanrijn.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Lorenzopics.jpg)

Ok Now I have to go back and find who I thought was Lorenzo, back inna bit.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 11, 2009, 09:05:30 PM
she must be thinking of the Hot dreadlock guy ;)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 09:09:34 PM
she must be thinking of the Hot dreadlock guy ;)

Brandon Piertze (sp)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 11, 2009, 09:16:27 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/lorenzo-van-rijn.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 09:19:38 PM
Brinkman said on Aruba radio and Dutch TV that Oduber earns 25.000 euro a month.
now Oduber wants that Brinkman is going correct this by saying that he was wrong and only earns 5400 euro a month.

if Brinkman doesn't do this, Oduber is going to file a lawsuit against Brinkman.

http://www.destentor.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4328369/Arubaanse-premier-verdient-niet-zo-veel.ece

Brinkman said that Oduber was making 60000 Aruban florin p/m, that would be about 33000 dollar.

1/11/2009 Awe Mainta

Papiamentu translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/RuizAnthony_CroesWeverTchong.jpg)
first minister nel oduber is exigi rectificacion of iron brinkman sunday, 11 january 2009 20:34 advocate mr. anthony ruiz of bufete of advocate, croes, wever & tchong owing to send one carta at name for they cliente, first minister nel oduber p’e member of parliament dutch, iron brinkman of faction pvv, in cual is exigi rectificacion of declaracionnan haci during transmision at canal 90 y in oranan of night in the declaration of policy of television nova. iron brinkman owing to give of conoce cu nel oduber have one salary of 60 thousand guilder y near of the entrance here, the mandatario have 5 pensioen acumulativo. nothing of esakinan owing to berdad, según advocate mr, anthony ruiz. is declaracionnan haci without none clase of investigacion debido. for earnest is, cu near of 2 or of afternoon, after of the transmision at canal 90, personalmente brinkman owing to achieve entrega in his hand, copia of the payslip of first minister oduber, but neither this not owing to evita cu brinkman of follow talk his mentiranan. the declaracionnan here is dañino for first minister, assure if dicho declaracionnan do not basa on berdad y is atacha the good name of nel oduber. also cliente of office of abogadonan, croes, wever y tchong is tell cu iron brinkman know debidamente cu canal 90 is one emisora be similar at faction of oposicion avp, cu owing to colabora for emiti declaracionnan mentiroso y cu mala confidence. pesey oduber is tell, if iron brinkman is one person of honor y is exigi respet, then in same form is exigi for saturday ultimo, rectifica his declaracionnan cu as menciona, is basa on one cantidad of lie. if provided that caso brinkman not accomplish cu dicho rectificacion, will entama one caso sumario for demanda dicho rectificacion y first minister oduber is mantene the derecho also for cuminsa one caso of damage y perhuicio for owing to spite his good name. till here the carta of advocate mr. anthony ruiz. but t’e so far, cu we know, iron brinkman till cu yesterday, not owing to rectifica nothing, thing wanted mean, do not first minister nel oduber nothing another of follow cu his caso sumario for achieve the rectificacion cu the is desea. come across


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

The Client:

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Aruba_oduberclown_small.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 09:23:34 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/lorenzo-van-rijn.html

Thanks, I think they have the correct spelling of his name:

Brandon Pietersz


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 09:30:01 PM
You have probably discussed this, but isnt Lorenzo young, with kinda long dark hair???  How does he get so much money?  Family?

All depends upon what you call young.  Some do very well selling and trafficing drugs.  This is a photo of him last year when he was arrested on the drug charge.  Nothing came of it of course.  Also I don't consider this long hair  ::MonkeyWink:::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Lorenzovanrijn.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Lorenzopics.jpg)



"NOBODY HERE IS ABOVE THE LAW"...... ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::

Nelson Oduber to Dave Holloway approximately 10 days after Natalee's Disappearance
Nel, why you lie to Dave Holloway??????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on January 11, 2009, 09:31:12 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Klaas~sorry to track you down, but I just sent you an urgent nanner. I'm hanging out on all threads but mainly Caylee, so I hope you get it and take care of it. TIA ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 09:35:23 PM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Klaas~sorry to track you down, but I just sent you an urgent nanner. I'm hanging out on all threads but mainly Caylee, so I hope you get it and take care of it. TIA ::MonkeyConfused::

Check your email  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: always 1 on January 11, 2009, 09:36:21 PM
Ok Im back  it is on WWW.Stickam.com/videoMedia.do and they are not numbered.  But it is a a picture of Joran, the guy in the middle with the long sleeved white shirt is who I am talking about.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 09:47:19 PM
Ok Im back  it is on WWW.Stickam.com/videoMedia.do and they are not numbered.  But it is a a picture of Joran, the guy in the middle with the long sleeved white shirt is who I am talking about.

Your link isn't working. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2009, 09:52:19 PM
Ok Im back  it is on WWW.Stickam.com/videoMedia.do and they are not numbered.  But it is a a picture of Joran, the guy in the middle with the long sleeved white shirt is who I am talking about.

(http://static.stickam.com/media/image/converted/player/1715/2177/6/ff6eed7d-b26d-11da-94e0-7f8a34b77fcd.jpg)

You talking about this photo?  That is Jaime Carrasquilla in the middle and Freddie Arambatzis on the left, Joran's best friends for life.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: always 1 on January 11, 2009, 09:54:08 PM
Ok Im back  it is on WWW.Stickam.com/videoMedia.do and they are not numbered.  But it is a a picture of Joran, the guy in the middle with the long sleeved white shirt is who I am talking about.

(http://static.stickam.com/media/image/converted/player/1715/2177/6/ff6eed7d-b26d-11da-94e0-7f8a34b77fcd.jpg)

You talking about this photo?  That is Jaime Carrasquilla in the middle and Freddie Arambatzis on the left, Joran's best friends for life.
Yes, thank you !!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 10:03:59 PM
Looks like the lawyer that is going to represent Nelson Oduber in his possible lawsuit against Hero Brinkman is the same one that represented Hendrik Croes in the hit and run case.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.700

Papiamentu translation:

advocate mr. ruiz is stop on denuncia false friday, 04 july 2008 - 13:00 yesterday afternoon fiscal owing to tell judge cu the do not achieve legalmente prove attempt of cause maltrato severo y niether cu mr. hendrik croes genuinely owing to strike the agent of police the.v.maduro cu car. that is nifica cu owing to stay one acusacion only esta place trafico in danger y bay cu car on one person. fiscal owing to exigi castigo condicional y one multa. the acusacionnan contra mr. hendrik croes ta: cu the intension of cause danjo fisico pisa at one person, owing to intencionalmente core bay cu his car on the person ey day 16 of march 2008. click read more for more detayes y imagen. snip


snip


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: COLOMBO on January 11, 2009, 10:08:35 PM
You have probably discussed this, but isnt Lorenzo young, with kinda long dark hair???  How does he get so much money?  Family?

All depends upon what you call young.  Some do very well selling and trafficing drugs.  This is a photo of him last year when he was arrested on the drug charge.  Nothing came of it of course.  Also I don't consider this long hair  ::MonkeyWink:::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Lorenzovanrijn.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Lorenzopics.jpg)


theory:


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one or two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

[excerpt]
So as I understand it -

1)fourth guy was taken into custody last night and was being questioned.

2)fifth guy arrested this morning (different from guy above).

I have heard two names "lorenzo" and "person with initials SGC"...

Is this correct and can anyone tell which one is which?

Posted by: Florida Girl | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 01:04 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:25 pm
The Arawaks want the truth to come out
As long as DirtyHand is not found

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played   (by PVDS)
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: COLOMBO on January 11, 2009, 10:13:38 PM
We think that the police moved in on him and others partially because they are mad for what happened to one of their cars that was taken by an anti-social
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/25/aruba-why-arrest-lorenzo-van-rijn-now-is-there-a-greater-reason/

Arawaks often go (in their cars, presumably) to play in the small houses of babylon with offspring of the elders



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 11, 2009, 10:37:08 PM
CapsLockwizard, did the big fish get away?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 11, 2009, 10:41:30 PM
CapsLockwizard, did the big fish get away?

Carnac says  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/JohnnyCarson.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 10:48:03 PM
I don't understand all of this but found it interesting...also involves Deutekom... ::MonkeyWink::

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=177:cruz-cora-ta-paga-pasashi-pa-manda-un-persona-ilegal-bek-su-pais&catid=11:local&Itemid=56

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/01112009AweMaintaHome.jpg)

cruz cora is pay pasashi for send one person ilegal bek his country

sunday, 11 january 2009 20:38 after of did take notice of one situation cu owing to happen some day happen, owing to surgi several question, as the.o. for of what time cruz cora is pay pasashi for one ilegal can bay bek his country? but also is being cuestiona what is maneho have, cu detene one person ilegal, without documento, is that (autoridad) his responsabilidad the is, for detene or expulsa dicho person. in we postbus, awemainta owing to come achieve copia of one raport of thing cu did take lugar at december ultimo, referiendo at detencion of one person, one lady that is ilegalmente at aruba. t’asina cu one venezolano, bencomo serrudo owing to stay deteni, already cu the not can owing to demostra cu the have permission for work y less still for is at aruba self, because past owing to enter aruba ilegalmente. thing owing to cause very strañeza, t’e mature the instant ey the detenido bencomo serrudo owing to worde poni in freedom on orden of fiscal mr. kruimel. after of this did take contacto cu personal of keep we costa (wnc) for they take the detenido bencomo serrudo over. one rato after dijkhoff of wnc owing to calling keep of police for tell cu they not can haci nothing y for let bencomo serrudo bay numa. the raporteur of the proces-verbal here is splica cu owing to splica dijkhoff of wnc cu bencomo serrudo not have medio for mantene his self if the stay aruba. besides the have only 22 dolar mericano in his power y the not have family neither conoci at aruba. dijkhoff the hour ey owing to tell cu the will take contacto cu his chef y will calling after. all the time police did take contacto cu roy lacle of wnc. roy lacle owing to let know cu past did take contacto cu the fiscal cu had picket the day ey, cu is mr. deutekom. según roy lacle, fiscal mr. deutekom owing to let know cu the asuntonan here have to wordo regulation in week y cu the will not give permission for mantene bencomo serrudo deteni for deportacion. despucs of this dijkhoff owing to calling keep of police again for tell cu past did take contacto cu roy lacle y also cu mr. renee van aller. all this cu the aim for achieve know owing to base of what articulo will can follow detene the person ilegal here, y more still, cua autoridad have cu carga responsabilidad p’e mature here. according dijkhoff not have nothing cu can wordo haci y so owing to let bencomo serrudo bay numa. dijkhoff besides owing to declara cu bencomo serrudo fuera of owing to comete one delito, the have derecho for stay aruba 30 day. cu another word, cu the do not ilegal y nothing can wordo haci. police owing to deal of take contacto cu consulado venezolano, but without result. without have another alternativa, did take contacto cu cruz cora. one rato after one acolyte of staff, coordinador of calamidad of cruz cora, mayra mackay, owing to come keep of police y owing to take away bencomo serrudo cune. police owing to conseha bencomo serrudo p’e take contacto cu his family for they mande coin or one pasashi of as cu the can go back his country. day 21 of december ultimo, near of 11 ‘or of morning, the acolyte of cruz cora is calling police cu have the caso here on at his celular y is give of conoce cu b.s. owing to worde transporta for his country cu “aviacion venezolano”. cruz cora self owing to pay his pasashi. the acolyte of cruz cora is achieve if, cu personal of iasa owing to achieve odd con all cos owing to bay. for hour cu iasa owing to bay busca bencomo serrudo for interrogacion, past owing to bay his country natal end. awemainta is achieve also cu the form of proceder here very odd, assure hour cu we know cu the actual pg, mr. robert pietersz, for of instant of did take rienda of ministerio publico owing to let know good cla, cu the does not one gobierno in gobierno, in the various aparatonan gubernamental, assure not in husticia. then con can is possible now cu in the caso of the person ilegal here, bencomo serrudo police, wnc, for not tell iasa, bao of cual also is cay imigracion, owing to fly all clase of pipe. then for colmo, one organisacion as cruz cora, cu in the dianan here is struggle for coin, is hay’e is pay pasashi of the lady here p’e can bay his country. this do not one responsabilidad of cruz cora, but of consulado of venezuela, kendenan have to owing to pay pasashi of bencomo serrudo is of wait for cu the caso here not crea one presedente for future. but if the merece one investigacion deep, we of awemainta is believe. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 10:58:48 PM
I wonder if there is any news on the tapes TJ Ward is supposed to have given to Greta.

Rob, if you see this, please give us an update if you have one.

Maybe that would further tie vd Straten to Paulus in the first ten days, the days vd Straten refused to arrest his best friend's son or whatever.

That could be corroborating evidence of a Sloot/Straten conspiracy to start the cover up.  Could be very important.

I find it interesting that one is named of the ditch and the other of the street, two lowlifes with the names to match.

JMO

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2009, 11:04:36 PM
Also at the link provided by TXMoM,


Digicel ta “Sold Out” pa Fakkel Optocht 2009

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=169:digicel-ta-sold-out-pa-fakkel-optocht-2009&catid=15:social&Itemid=58


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 11:20:07 PM
From what I can understand of this I believe this is a very good article!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=37&Itemid=45

1/12/2009 Awe Mainta Page 4

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Papiamentu translation:

iron brinkman: “aruba is corupto……..” not have to become furious, considera this one advertencia earnest

the expresion here haci p’e member of parliament dutch sr. iron brinkman owing to cause here yonder enough iritacion in we comunidad, cual expresion more bien can wordo considera one “wake-up call” for people of aruba struggle contra the protectornan of corupcion y maldad in we comunidad. have to compronde if, not give debido atencion n’e fenomeno here at time, dificilmente can frena this owing to will largo. we comunidad owing to become inmuno p’e tantisimo corupcion cu is tumando lugar all caminda on we island. the instant cu sr. iron brinkman owing to expresa his malcontento for cu the tantisimo corupcion cu is tumando lugar in gobierno of aruba, ministro-presidente nelson or.oduber owing to core dress his “stoute schoenen” y owing to cuminsa zundra iron (no in his cara!!) for “desgraciado”, comosifuera nothing of this is berdad. ministro of husticia (z.p.) sr. rudy croes at another near owing to declara, cu “eigenlijk” iron is referi n’e gobierno of avp. “wat een onzin, jochie!” the member of parliament of mep mr. ady thijsen also owing to become furious on the expresion of iron, declarando cu iron owing to ofende all the people aruban, locual do not berdad. esnan cu do not corupto none instant can feel they self ofendi cu the expresion of iron brinkman. apparently mep not have issue p’e proximo campaña electoral y is buscando one confrontacion directo cu the netherlands, bogando so for one independencia overall. the declaracion of mr. ady thijsen owing to cause much hilaridad in we comunidad, saying cu iron brinkman is try break economia of aruba. is hustamento parlamentarionan as mr. ady thijsen, leader of the delegacion aruban of pok (“wat een pokke parlementariër!!”), cu is proteha or tolera corupcion of his gobierno is stagna or break economia of we country. con can talk of integridad if at self instant is proteha corupcion cu soul y cuerpo. adieu cu have priviligiado in we comunidad, corupcion is stay existi. esnan cu not have sufficient capital, always will stay perhudica. can tell cu sr. rudy lampe is try combati the “cancer” here in we comunidad, although his “benadering” not can wordo considera esun more apropia. is con people have to bay vote now? have to vote p’e faction less corupto, con is bay measure this? anything is sigur: people owing to cuminsa harta of corupcion at aruba. can ultimo the “desgraciado” iron brinkman is let ask about nel: “kende t’e berdadero “desgraciado”? not t’esun cu fast camara of tv owing to stop punta finger in direccion of sr. betico croes (no in his cara!!), deseando the great leader alabes at one as very sarcastico much exito cu his “status aparte” (“i wish him luck cu his status aparte”). y so owing to bagatelisa y maldiciona the struggle of betico, cu not can owing to presencia the date historico of his sweet aruba. “wil de echte desgraciado, die nu wel glansrijk van de status aparte profiteert owing to.u.b. effetjes opstaan?” iron is ask about. name y adres conoci at redaccion


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 11:28:18 PM
1/12/2009 Awe Mainta Page 4

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=37&Itemid=45

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Another Tourist Assault & Robbery

Papiamentu translation:

tourist canando on caya owing to stay atraca y maltrata police of beach is bay cu urgencia at height of activa trading on lloyd smith blvd, where one muher tourist owing to wordo atraca y maltrata. n’e sitio, police do not come across cu the victima, but they owing to achieve informacion cu past owing to achieve one lift cu owing to bahe at his hotel. police owing to bay at one lowrise hotel, where the tourist is stay y eynan police is talk cu the madam owing to.e, naci at estados unidos of 47 year, that owing to tell police past owing to bay cumpra algo at wendy’s, y hour cu the was biniendo bek, one man desconoci owing to come y owing to puntre for one sigaria, but at once past owing to try ranca his bag. the madam owing to as the bag much duro y the resisti, but the anti-social owing to push the poor madam y owing to bente bao. still the victima owing to stay cu his bag teni, but he cu does not bay hand bashi, owing to cuminsa skop the poor victima in his back y his cabes y owing to succeed ranca the bag y core bay cune. police owing to hibe the victima poli for tratamento y morning the will bay give complaint of the bad experiencia y malpropaganda cu past owing to happen in y achieve of aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 11:36:30 PM
1/12/2009 Awe Mainta Page 6


http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=37&Itemid=45
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Papiamentu translation:
guardacosta of antiyas y aruba in one accion together cu aduana, y cuerpo policial of corsow owing to intercepta 160 kilo of cocaina n’e costa norte of corsow. was one dash-8, the plane of patrol of guardacosta owing to see in the night of saturday for diadomingo one go-fast sospechoso is actuate in awanan of corsow. aduana y police owing to stay informa of the movimento here, provided that espera till hour cu they descarga they cargamento. so owing to come achieve because; 5 bulto of drugs, cu is resulta of is cocaina. 3 person owing to stay deteni y the drugs owing to stay confisca. once more owing to stay demostra cu is together have to combati traficacion of drugs, as the caso here where guardacosta of antiyas y aruba, owing to uni forza cu police y aduana at corsow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Sam on January 11, 2009, 11:47:06 PM
Just stopping in to say prayers for Justice for Natalee and her family before calling it a night.
Sam


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2009, 11:48:57 PM
1/12/2009 Awe Mainta Page 6

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=37&Itemid=45

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Papiamentu translation:

procurador general robert pietersz respet of one for another have to sobresali among the partnernan in kingdom

procurador general, robert pietersz owing to give week happen in parliament one presentacion during the meeting of pok. during this past owing to splica on funcionamento of ministerio publico y owing to contesta questions of the three delegacionnan. the is indica cu have to succeed one base amplio, cual can is will tarda one some for wordo crea, but at instant cu arrive at ehecusion can is calm cu esnan cu owing to help will is responsible y satisfecho of the ehecusion, y this will bay cada bez mihor. dunando one ehempel of his politica past owing to menciona the maneho of extranheronan cu contrario at 6 month happen, today is trahando, although the do not completamente cla, but all is bayendo in the good direccion. robert pietersz is tell cu all have to arrive at one palabracion cu cada one will busca one possible solucion, because the do not believe cu have one sun solucion. so at instant cu come across one problem will help resolve this cual can wordo haci at various form. if not succeed of uno the hour have to have the patience for resolve of one another, but always purbando of crea the base amplio. igualmente we procurador general owing to elabora on the relacion of ministerio publico- country arubapartnernan in kingdom. the is believe cu the word respet for another have to wordo remarca in the relacion among not only parlamentarionan or ambtenaarnan in kingdom, but also among the personanan. if wanted respet have to give respet, according robert pietersz. this is encera cu not only have to is pendiente of cuestionnan procedural, but also look at the contenido of thing have. here the is tell cu not only have one diferencia of ideanan, but also of cultura. the is indica cu have to respeta y as cuenta cu the diferencia of culturanan at instant cu arrive close the another. have some cos cu yet, in his opinion is bay robez, one of they're integridad. the netherlands owing to dedica much time on the cuestion of integridad. at aruba have some time end trahando on integridad, but in his opinion the do not bay suficientemente liher y not on one as cu the self will owing to haci’e, but mirando cu the tey past will try contribui cune. robert pietersz is of opinion cu here 10 year can is one person owing to wordo remplaza cu another, but the problemanan is stay pesey have to zorg for her apparatus publico have one good contenido, y this is inclui integridad. one propuesta cu procurador general have is for come cu one academia of gobernacion (bestuurs academie) cu can is combina cu docentenan of the netherlands y cu personanan of aruba cu have the capacidad for become docentenan in the academia here. the ventaha of this is cu will can place the part basiconan good in one rij y the aceptacion is become more big also.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 12:08:19 AM
1/12/2009 Awe Mainta Page 18

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Google translation:
Some questions to Mr. Brinkman
By: Mario Lopez

The conduct of Mr. Brinkman in Aruba has ensured that several politicians to pass and have inappropriately misbehave. This is a way in order to hide their ignorance and it is now clear that they are do not know to express in the Dutch language, let alone the
Dutch understand. That shows in the incident how our protocol is superior not know how to manage. It the sad thing is that Minister from abroad a scoop on top of doing and
with a note that you will only the street kids would expect. Mr. Brinkman knew everyone in his street and to enjoy of the political ignorance of the politicians here our island.
It is now clear to everyone, representing the interests of Aruba high summon that we have should be professional Ministers to appoint the zolas RED proposes. Mr. Brinkman has also increasingly on a movement / political party corruption would like to address in Aruba. It shows that Mr. Brinkman not aware that the RED, Father Lampe, already 7 years, and strongly against all forms of corruption our island. It must indeed agree last with the political appointments, political friends and of toeschuiven community money to party members. Which include all types of pensions and allowances, including a transitional allowance a year salary, that several times politicians may be the same paid. Hence, everything RED in order to go from here and submitting them to the people.

Questions to Mr Brinkman:
In the nearly 7 anniversary of RED, as an anti-corruption organization, the Netherlands
done for real to deal with the corruption Aruba?

Where is the Netherlands in this fight and Mr Brinkman who want this fight?

Is the Netherlands, which is not well that continues to shelter the domestic matter
is' and that the Netherlands can not intervention?

Is not Dutch tax money what is distributed and here disappears for places where it does not belong?

It follows: Where is the Netherlands RED to support the Aruban the fight against corruption?

Or is aware that the Netherlands but corruption in Aruba crumb compared with the
Corruption in the Netherlands and therefore the interests of politicians in defending their own country?

Is the conclusion that the nation is doomed to be penalized of corrupt politicians and government officials?

No, ever, the will of the RED serious free.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 12:33:48 AM

Could the detective and his brother who Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words possibly be Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?Janet


Kyle would have recognized the Kalpoes if they were with the Detective and his brother.

I think Kyle suspected someone was leaking information to Destiny and Caps.


Thanks Kermit.

The description overview that Kyle Kingman provides of the dectective and his brother appears to fit the Kalpoe brothers.

I am not sure how much background that Kyle or Silvetti had in regards to the Natalee Holloway case and ... this makes me think that possibily they did not know who they were dealing with.

Think about it.  Logic dictates that the outcome of a joint venture with those who have from the getgo prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... is not going to be positive.

I had my doubts regarding Kyle's actual understanding of the situation when I read the following words of his post submitted to the Scared Monkey's site.

Janet

_______


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:25 PM »


Thought you all may find this interesting if you're willing to accept it-

To date, the Aruban police and dive team has been a tremendous help. They've honestly done a great job. Over the last month we've established a very good working relationship based on openness and trust. Most of the relationship success was due to getting the media out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder over time. We've helped each other however and whenever we can. They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. Most of the police and divers are new since this case started and both eager and careful to do things right. I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to establish the relationships and trust. I know many of you would likely doubt this view, but it's based on the experiences in the field of the entire search team. I too was extremely worried, paranoid, and suspecting in the beginning. Now, it's clear we're all working towards a common goal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332457;topicseen#msg332457



Private Eye comprehends the dynamic encompassing the coverup in the Natalee Holloway investigation perfectly.

Janet

+++++++

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Do you understand this is way to logical Janet? ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 01:00:00 AM
Good Night ...texasmom, iris44, wreck and CBB.

Janet
10:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 12, 2009, 01:00:25 AM
Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 


Klaas - Not trying to bite the hand that feeds me LOL, but PI is not now, nor has he ever been a member at the Freebirds forum. 

Thanks, I assumed he was based on what some others had said.  So he knew information about what was in the trap from other sources than Freebirds...that's even more interresting/telling.

I understood, maybe incorrectly, that PI saw the information that the Freebirds
sent to Beth.  That was when he made the post here about the denim that
sent Kyle into a tailspin.

And why would you go into a tailspin if you knew the family had the pictures.

In my opinion you would go into that tailspin if those pictures weren't shown to the family.

JMO.

San is correct. Kyle had not shown the photos to the family until he showed them to Freebirds and one of them showed them to PI. That is how PI saw them and I tried to get ahold of Beth about it, but she was out of town. That is why PI posted here at SM about the blue denim. Kyle was very upset and wanted to do damage control.



To me it still seems like Kyle was campaigning to sell the pics and video.  And it sounds like he hasn't stopped.  He's bullshi*ing everyone to try to make $$$.  That would be why he was upset and trying to do damage control.

Also, it sounds like the info went from Kyle to Freebirds to PI, so PI also is only going from Kyle's word.  So of all the people on the Persistence, American and Aruban, Kyle is the only one who has anything to say about this?  He's a scammer.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 01:02:05 AM

Do you understand this is way to logical Janet? ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night Keepthefaith.

Janet
10:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 01:05:23 AM
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CBB (or anyone than can),
Will you please add the following link to my post #'s 646, 647, 648 & 651?

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=37&Itemid=45

 :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

Thank you!  (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/love-134.gif)

DONE  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 01:06:23 AM
Good Night ...texasmom, iris44, wreck and CBB.

Janet
10:00 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: iris44 on January 12, 2009, 01:21:27 AM
From the Netherlands Interpol site.  I've often thought that this is where Deepak got his 15 yrs. statement:

rticle 247 of the Penal Code

    '1. A person who, with a person whom he knows to be unconscious or physically unable to resist or to be suffering from such a degree of mental defect or mental disease that he is incapable or not sufficiently capable of exercising or expressing his will in the matter or of offering resistance, performs indecent acts, or who, with a person who has not yet reached the age of sixteen (16) years, out of wedlock, performs indecent acts, or by whom the latter is enticed into performing, or submitting to such acts, out of wedlock, with a third party, is liable to a term of imprisonment of not more than six years or a fine of the fourth category.'

Article 248 of the Penal Code

    '1. Where serious bodily harm ensues as a result of any of the offences defined in articles 243 and 245-247, a term of imprisonment of not more than twelve years or a fine of the fifth category shall be imposed.

    2. Where death ensues as a result of any of the offences defined in articles 242-247, a term of imprisonment of not more than fifteen years or a fine of the fifth category shall be imposed.'

http://www.interpol.com/public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaNetherlands.asp


Very interesting, Buckeye.  That made me wonder about the human trafficking imprisonment.  It is only 6 years.

Article 250ter of the Penal Code

'A person is guilty of traffic in persons and is liable to a term of imprisonment of six years of a fine of the fifth category where:
he, by an act of violence or another act or by threat of violence of another act or by abusing the authority arising from an existing relationship or by misrepresentation, causes a person to prostitute himself or herself or undertakes any activity under any of the above circumstances where he knows or should reasonably suspect that activity to cause a person to end in prostitution;

he recruits, takes with him or kidnaps another person with the object of causing that person to become involved in prostitution in a foreign country;





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 01:30:02 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/ScreenShot003a.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 01:35:08 AM
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CBB (or anyone that can),
Will you please add the following link to my post #'s 646, 647, 648 & 651?

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=37&Itemid=45

 :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

Thank you!  (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/love-134.gif)

DONE  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you Klaas!  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 01:38:53 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/ScreenShot003a.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!

Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 01:46:57 AM
Thank you texasmom.

A beautiful reminder!!!

Hugs

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 12, 2009, 03:14:31 AM
Good Night Cageman and 1 Guest!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Cageman on January 12, 2009, 04:57:16 AM
A good night to all of you, but in Holland it is morning already!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 12, 2009, 09:13:39 AM
Brinkman said on Aruba radio and Dutch TV that Oduber earns 25.000 euro a month.
now Oduber wants that Brinkman is going correct this by saying that he was wrong and only earns 5400 euro a month.

if Brinkman doesn't do this, Oduber is going to file a lawsuit against Brinkman.

http://www.destentor.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4328369/Arubaanse-premier-verdient-niet-zo-veel.ece

Brinkman said that Oduber was making 60000 Aruban florin p/m, that would be about 33000 dollar.

1/11/2009 Awe Mainta

Papiamentu translation:

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first minister nel oduber is exigi rectificacion of iron brinkman sunday, 11 january 2009 20:34 advocate mr. anthony ruiz of bufete of advocate, croes, wever & tchong owing to send one carta at name for they cliente, first minister nel oduber p’e member of parliament dutch, iron brinkman of faction pvv, in cual is exigi rectificacion of declaracionnan haci during transmision at canal 90 y in oranan of night in the declaration of policy of television nova. iron brinkman owing to give of conoce cu nel oduber have one salary of 60 thousand guilder y near of the entrance here, the mandatario have 5 pensioen acumulativo. nothing of esakinan owing to berdad, según advocate mr, anthony ruiz. is declaracionnan haci without none clase of investigacion debido. for earnest is, cu near of 2 or of afternoon, after of the transmision at canal 90, personalmente brinkman owing to achieve entrega in his hand, copia of the payslip of first minister oduber, but neither this not owing to evita cu brinkman of follow talk his mentiranan. the declaracionnan here is dañino for first minister, assure if dicho declaracionnan do not basa on berdad y is atacha the good name of nel oduber. also cliente of office of abogadonan, croes, wever y tchong is tell cu iron brinkman know debidamente cu canal 90 is one emisora be similar at faction of oposicion avp, cu owing to colabora for emiti declaracionnan mentiroso y cu mala confidence. pesey oduber is tell, if iron brinkman is one person of honor y is exigi respet, then in same form is exigi for saturday ultimo, rectifica his declaracionnan cu as menciona, is basa on one cantidad of lie. if provided that caso brinkman not accomplish cu dicho rectificacion, will entama one caso sumario for demanda dicho rectificacion y first minister oduber is mantene the derecho also for cuminsa one caso of damage y perhuicio for owing to spite his good name. till here the carta of advocate mr. anthony ruiz. but t’e so far, cu we know, iron brinkman till cu yesterday, not owing to rectifica nothing, thing wanted mean, do not first minister nel oduber nothing another of follow cu his caso sumario for achieve the rectificacion cu the is desea. come across


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

The Client:

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Aruba_oduberclown_small.jpg)

Maybe Paulus can represent him


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: kkate on January 12, 2009, 10:33:33 AM
Good morning private eye, Ellegirl232, ksl, klaasend, johan555, RoxiBalboa and 10 Guests


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 12, 2009, 10:49:02 AM
Good Morning Kkate and All Other Monkeys!


Here's alittle food for thought.....I hope it doesn't give You indigestion...lol  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/12/nyregion/12tacopina.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: kkate on January 12, 2009, 10:57:49 AM
Good Morning Kkate and All Other Monkeys!


Here's alittle food for thought.....I hope it doesn't give You indigestion...lol  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/12/nyregion/12tacopina.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

Thanks & please pass the (http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ERXZYT7n_64ILM:http://i.pbase.com/v3/13/579113/1/46479141.Pepto.jpg) ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 12, 2009, 11:03:35 AM
Good Morning Kkate and All Other Monkeys!


Here's alittle food for thought.....I hope it doesn't give You indigestion...lol  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/12/nyregion/12tacopina.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

Thanks & please pass the (http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ERXZYT7n_64ILM:http://i.pbase.com/v3/13/579113/1/46479141.Pepto.jpg) ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa:: I was afraid of that!

Gotta Go...BBL!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 11:41:42 AM
Good morning private eye, Ellegirl232, ksl, klaasend, johan555, RoxiBalboa and 10 Guests

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I assume that private eye has valid reasons for not posting but ... I am thankful that he is aware that the focus of Monkeys is still justice for Natalee and ... the hope that he remains can be brought home to rest on American soil.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 11:48:57 AM
GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
8:50 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 12, 2009, 11:54:38 AM
Good Morning Kkate and All Other Monkeys!


Here's alittle food for thought.....I hope it doesn't give You indigestion...lol  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/12/nyregion/12tacopina.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

This prompted me to look around a bit...found a couple of italian articles and one had this picture...with translation I thought they might be questioning his dealings, but I'm not positive. 

(http://abologna.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/picture-1.png)

http://abologna.net/2008/taco-joe-questo-sconosciuto/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 12, 2009, 11:55:45 AM
 ::MonkeyDance::  Good Morning Janet...!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 12, 2009, 12:03:18 PM
Good morning, all!!!  It's actually afternoon here, now, and about time I start to multi-task.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 12:28:10 PM

To me it still seems like Kyle was campaigning to sell the pics and video.  And it sounds like he hasn't stopped.  He's bullshi*ing everyone to try to make $$$.  That would be why he was upset and trying to do damage control.

Also, it sounds like the info went from Kyle to Freebirds to PI, so PI also is only going from Kyle's word.  So of all the people on the Persistence, American and Aruban, Kyle is the only one who has anything to say about this?  He's a scammer.


Iris

1.  Campaigning for a purpose is conducted openly ... not on a private site.

2.  If the ROV images did not reveal that the contents of the cage/trape was Natalee Holloway case related ... why would Tim Trahan, Louis Shaeffer and Kyle Kingman attempting to make deals with the network?

Think about it.  Tim Tahran was the diver on the initial dive and ... Kyle Kingman speciality is analying remote imaging.

Also thing about it.  Why was John Silvetti being kept in the dark by Kyle Kingman, Tim Trahan and Louis Shaeffer regarding the attempted deals with the major networks?

I contend that Kyle Kingman had a change of heart regarding his initial intentions of sharing his knowledge and evidence encompassing the Persistence endeavor with the family/FBI when it was realized that a possible investigation into the contents of the cage/trap by FBI could muddy the waters in regards to network negotiations that he, Tim Trahan and Louis Shaeffer were attenting to enter into with the major networks.  IMO.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.
 
Kyle:  Louis does have legal rights to the footage regardless of Underwater Expeditions status. Louis personally signed the checks for the search.
 
Kyle:  She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.
 
Kyle:  On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 12:32:18 PM
Good morning, all!!!  It's actually afternoon here, now, and about time I start to multi-task.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Something akin to Klaas.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

++++++

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/2ibz51h.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 12:34:11 PM
::MonkeyDance::  Good Morning Janet...!

... and a good morning to you too Mere.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Janet
9:35 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 12:34:52 PM
Good Morning Janet.Hope your weekend was a pleasant one!I see you're trying to be way to logical again! ::MonkeyLaugh:: It's just my opinion but,i find something inherently wrong with Kyle's words regarding the actions taken by the Persistence.I've tried to understand the reasoning behind trying to minimize and rationalize what Kyle's said by some poster's! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 12:38:08 PM
This, I think, is what bothers me the most about all of this.

Kyle:  She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.
---------

The proper timing was December 30th and Janurary 7th.

Not only to notify Beth, but also US authorities.

Especially if you KNEW there was something in that cage, and you KNEW Silvetti was following Aruba's lead and trying to take the focus off of it.

That time was the proper time, in hopes something could have been done about it.

Not two months later when you approach a private group of people in hopes of gaining their assistance in telling Natalee's family.

Not 8 months later when that private group of people had had quite enough of your stalling tactics.

And certainly not 12 months later - as I firmly believe if not for Natalee's Freebirds - the only people to this day who would know of the possibility of Natalee's remains having been in that trap would have been Persistence crew and the broadcast networks they brokered with, and eventually sold the footage to.

What's done is done, tragically and disturbingly.

The only thing left is for International authorities to take a look into the actions by one and all, in hopes of finding out whose remains were in that fish cage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 12, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
(http://www.magic965.com/pictures/albums/JAN2009/090109%20FROG/Frog_89.JPG)

http://www.magic965.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=87



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 12:47:02 PM
This, I think, is what bothers me the most about all of this.

Kyle:  She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.
---------

The proper timing was December 30th and Janurary 7th.

Not only to notify Beth, but also US authorities.

Especially if you KNEW there was something in that cage, and you KNEW Silvetti was following Aruba's lead and trying to take the focus off of it.

That time was the proper time, in hopes something could have been done about it.

Not two months later when you approach a private group of people in hopes of gaining their assistance in telling Natalee's family.

Not 8 months later when that private group of people had had quite enough of your stalling tactics.

And certainly not 12 months later - as I firmly believe if not for Natalee's Freebirds - the only people to this day who would know of the possibility of Natalee's remains having been in that trap would have been Persistence crew and the broadcast networks they brokered with, and eventually sold the footage to.

What's done is done, tragically and disturbingly.

The only thing left is for International authorities to take a look into the actions by one and all, in hopes of finding out whose remains were in that fish cage.


This also make me SICK.Who are you to control when Beth should get to find out information regarding the potenial of her daughter being in that cage.Again.I thought Kyle was not in charge of anything?Sure seems like he is in complete command of trying to broker a deal.You think? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 12:47:42 PM
Good Morning Janet.Hope your weekend was a pleasant one!I see you're trying to be way to logical again! ::MonkeyLaugh:: It's just my opinion but,i find something inherently wrong with Kyle's words regarding the actions taken by the Persistence.I've tried to understand the reasoning behind trying to minimize and rationalize what Kyle's said by some poster's! ::MonkeyConfused::

Good Mornig Keepthefaith.

Justice for Natalee Holloway is never going to come out of an Aruban/Dutch courtroom.  The domino effect in regards to accountability would be too far reaching.

However ... it appears according to Kyle Kingman's own words that Natalee Holloway remains could possibly have been brought home to rest on American soil but ... it also appears that the opportunity was lost forever by the self-serving motives of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  John Silvetti gave the enemy complete authority over the chain of custody of the contents of that cage/trap.  There was no FBI ******* present.  There was NO ******* other than the Arubans.  There were no pictures taken.

I am sooo angry.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

+++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 12:50:18 PM
Janet - that is actually a bit incorrect.

One of the Aruban divers had a camera for the Jan 7th dive.......

If only Kyle hadn't clammed up when we started asking for names.

The names of that diver and the detective brother of the "visionary" would have gone a long, LONG way in getting some answers for Natalee's family.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 12, 2009, 12:50:51 PM
(http://www.magic965.com/pictures/albums/JAN2009/090109%20FROG/Frog_2.JPG)

http://www.magic965.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=87


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 12:52:25 PM
bleached - are those pics from inside a bar?

How old is Sebastian?  15, 16?

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 12:57:30 PM

The only thing left is for International authorities to take a look into the actions by one and all, in hopes of finding out whose remains were in that fish cage.


jen ... Good Morning!

The existence of the ROV images is a Godsend.  Kyle Kingsman may attempt to distance himself from his own words but the ROV images reveal that there was something more than just a piece of fabric that Richardson sent the FBI for analyzing ... inside that trap/capge.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 12, 2009, 12:59:12 PM
Jen, yes they are taken inside Sr Frogs  January 9th,and posted on website of Magic 96.5 fm. They are pics of Valentin, he must have been out on winter break-possibly last night? Sebastian is 12- he is the youngest.

Some might ask why do I continue to post pics of the siblings? In this case Val.
ANSWER: He is still a Sloot. I believe he knows more than he has ever told.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2009, 01:00:57 PM
bleached - are those pics from inside a bar?

How old is Sebastian?  15, 16?

 ::MonkeyEek::

That is not Sebastian, that is Valentijn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 01:04:57 PM


This also make me SICK.Who are you to control when Beth should get to find out information regarding the potenial of her daughter being in that cage.Again.I thought Kyle was not in charge of anything?Sure seems like he is in complete command of trying to broker a deal.You think? ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly!!

I wonder how Kyle would feel if, God forbid, it were HIS daughter that people had possibly found, and done nothing to let him know?
 
If it were potentially HIS daughter's remains people were trying to sell to the highest bidder?

If it were HIS daughter's remains that no one took enough care to see they were handled lawfully and honorably?

I wonder how Kyle would feel if instead - someone who had access to the images of potentially HIS daughter's remains, threatened and postured against those who wouldn't commit the same intolerable and disgusting offenses of hiding them from her family and law enforcement that the Persistence crew did?

Janet is correct - Kyle needs to step up to the plate and do the right thing.

What are "friendship and professional courtesy" in the face of truth, justice, morality, honor and integrity?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 01:06:18 PM
thanks bleached and klaas for that correction.

So how old is Val now?

Sad to note the continued lack of parenting and control by Anita and Paulus.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 01:13:19 PM
Janet - that is actually a bit incorrect.

One of the Aruban divers had a camera for the Jan 7th dive.......

If only Kyle hadn't clammed up when we started asking for names.

The names of that diver and the detective brother of the "visionary" would have gone a long, LONG way in getting some answers for Natalee's family.

Jen

I am aware that photos where taken by the Aruban divers but ... what good did that do.  Those photos have in all probability been destroyed in the name of the cover up along with the contents of the cage/trap.

The objective of the Persistence undertaking was suppose to be all about attempting to retrieve Natalee Holloway's remains.  Yet there was not one picture taken of the chain of custody over to the enemy.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

However ... I am thankful that ROV images reveal that the Aruban divers did take photos.  Maybe those photos may be the catalyst to answers at some period in time.   

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »


Janet, you aren't even a bad dream, let alone a nightmare.  We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2009, 01:15:14 PM
thanks bleached and klaas for that correction.

So how old is Val now?

Sad to note the continued lack of parenting and control by Anita and Paulus.



I believe Val graduated high school last year so he would be in his first year of college.  My guess is 18, maybe 19?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 01:17:00 PM
Janet I agree with you = any footage the divers themselves took is likely long gone.

However - the names of those divers are still very important, IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 12, 2009, 01:17:42 PM
thanks bleached and klaas for that correction.

So how old is Val now?

Sad to note the continued lack of parenting and control by Anita and Paulus.



Oh cripes you want to see lack of parenting.......this is Sebastian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88NeEHBD1ao&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE2X3qfei8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enwg39Zjf_c&feature=channel_page


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 01:17:50 PM
thanks bleached and klaas for that correction.

So how old is Val now?

Sad to note the continued lack of parenting and control by Anita and Paulus.



I think we all understand the sense of entitlement from the Dutch Elite at this point.As long as you're a part of the Dutch elite anything goes.Including Murder!JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 01:17:54 PM
thanks bleached and klaas for that correction.

So how old is Val now?

Sad to note the continued lack of parenting and control by Anita and Paulus.



I believe Val graduated high school last year so he would be in his first year of college.  My guess is 18, maybe 19?

thanks klaas.

It's hard for me to fathom his parents letting him walk in his brother's footsteps.  Considering....... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 01:19:12 PM
Janet I agree with you = any footage the divers themselves took is likely long gone.

However - the names of those divers are still very important, IMO.

You offer Kyle enough money he may just tell you!Sad but True!JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 12, 2009, 01:20:52 PM
thanks bleached and klaas for that correction.

So how old is Val now?

Sad to note the continued lack of parenting and control by Anita and Paulus.



Oh cripes you want to see lack of parenting.......this is Sebastian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88NeEHBD1ao&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE2X3qfei8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enwg39Zjf_c&feature=channel_page


bb -- I've been watching these freaky videos of Sebastian as you post them.

Unbelievable  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope he gets help -- and NOT the kind Joran received.

Thank you -- I appreciate you posting all of these pictures and youtubes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 12, 2009, 01:22:55 PM
Quote
Dutch Second Chamber
to assess POK overseas

SCHIPHOL--The Dutch Second Chamber plans to evaluate the significance of the Parliamentary Consultation of the Kingdom POK which takes place twice a year between the three Parliaments in the Dutch Kingdom, said Dutch delegation leader Willibrord van Beek on Sunday, after returning from Aruba where POK was held last week.

“It is time for an evaluation. We have to talk about the manner in which we continue these meetings,” van Beek said at a press conference at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport. However, he did not say beforehand that POK will be eliminated because the last three POK meetings were not very fruitful. “Important issues remain, issues that we cannot just dismiss and say that we will not discuss them,” he said.

In January and June 2008, the POK had not been very successful with the meeting in January last year. It was cancelled. This time POK came very close to failure as a result of member of the Dutch delegation, Hero Brinkman of the Party for Freedom PVV. Arubans were very upset about statements that Brinkman made on American TV. Twice he called Aruba’s government corrupt on FoxNews. “People were deeply offended,” said van Beek, who immediately issued a press release following the broadcast to make clear that Brinkman spoke for himself and not on behalf of the Dutch delegation.

When for the third time Brinkman insulted Aruba’s government, by calling Justice Minister Rudy Croes a liar during the meeting on Friday, the Dutch delegation asked for an adjournment to have a serious talk with Brinkman.

Van Beek explained that during the adjournment, the Dutch delegation asked Brinkman the reason he had not discussed his intention to make insulting statements during Friday’s meeting internally first. “He said he hadn’t done so because he knew we wouldn’t agree with him. At that moment, something broke in the delegation. We told him that the delegation had stood by him the entire week. But now he had crossed the line of decency. We told him that he needed to apologise, not only to Aruba, but also to us,” said van Beek.

Brinkman refused to apologise and as a result, the MP was expelled from the Dutch delegation. van Beek said he had to take this decision because Brinkman had gone too far. Van Beek also did not want to go home empty-handed for the second time after last year’s cancellation. He said he had continuously seen to it that Brinkman could express his own political views, even though his opinion was not shared by the rest of the Dutch delegation.

Van Beek said he was not trying to keep anyone out of the delegation. He said he did not have a personal problem with Brinkman. “We had a talk before I left,” said Van Beek, who confirmed that Brinkman will remain a member of the Second Chamber’s Permanent Committee for Antillean and Aruban Affairs NAAZ. He said the delegation would give accountability for what happened in Aruba.

He said the atmosphere of the meetings in Oranjestad had been very tense and difficult. Besides the issue with Brinkman, there were also some challenging issues on the agenda to deal with, such as constitutional reform and the position of Antillean and Arubans in the Netherlands.


“It was tough,” said van Beek. He lamented on the course of events and said that for him too, the week had been a “disappointment.” Even after the incident with Brinkman on Friday was resolved, the situation in the room remained very tense when parties had to wrap up the customary Final Declaration. The remainder of the Dutch delegation returned to the Netherlands Monday morning.
http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/l200/beekl200.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 01:26:43 PM
thanks bleached and klaas for that correction.

So how old is Val now?

Sad to note the continued lack of parenting and control by Anita and Paulus.



Oh cripes you want to see lack of parenting.......this is Sebastian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88NeEHBD1ao&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE2X3qfei8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enwg39Zjf_c&feature=channel_page

Oh dear God!!

Who lets a 12 year old have access to a firearm - with no parental supervision?

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 01:27:16 PM
Janet I agree with you = any footage the divers themselves took is likely long gone.

However - the names of those divers are still very important, IMO.

I agree and ... Jossy Mansur's son could reveal that information.

Jen ... what is your position on Jossy ... you positon on Eduardo?

Thanks

Janet

+++++++


klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #173 on: January 04, 2009, 02:37:49 PM »


Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.

Take care
 
Jossy


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg611967#msg611967



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 12, 2009, 01:30:21 PM
thanks bleached and klaas for that correction.

So how old is Val now?

Sad to note the continued lack of parenting and control by Anita and Paulus.



Oh cripes you want to see lack of parenting.......this is Sebastian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88NeEHBD1ao&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE2X3qfei8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enwg39Zjf_c&feature=channel_page


bb -- I've been watching these freaky videos of Sebastian as you post them.

Unbelievable  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope he gets help -- and NOT the kind Joran received.

Thank you -- I appreciate you posting all of these pictures and youtubes.

I agree, it is the idle time which he acts out all this strange stuff and finds a need to put it all on video that makes me really feel there is something wrong.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 12, 2009, 01:31:22 PM
thanks bleached and klaas for that correction.

So how old is Val now?

Sad to note the continued lack of parenting and control by Anita and Paulus.



Oh cripes you want to see lack of parenting.......this is Sebastian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88NeEHBD1ao&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE2X3qfei8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enwg39Zjf_c&feature=channel_page

Oh dear God!!

Who lets a 12 year old have access to a firearm - with no parental supervision?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

i think it are fireworks. a lot of Dutch kids play around with this around New Year.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 12, 2009, 01:31:55 PM
thanks bleached and klaas for that correction.

So how old is Val now?

Sad to note the continued lack of parenting and control by Anita and Paulus.



Oh cripes you want to see lack of parenting.......this is Sebastian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88NeEHBD1ao&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE2X3qfei8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enwg39Zjf_c&feature=channel_page

Oh dear God!!

Who lets a 12 year old have access to a firearm - with no parental supervision?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I thought it was a firearm when I watched it too. Someone pointed out it is likely a firecracker, which is probably right. Still wrong to be throwing them near each other.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 12, 2009, 01:31:56 PM
thanks bleached and klaas for that correction.

So how old is Val now?

Sad to note the continued lack of parenting and control by Anita and Paulus.



Oh cripes you want to see lack of parenting.......this is Sebastian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88NeEHBD1ao&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE2X3qfei8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enwg39Zjf_c&feature=channel_page

Oh dear God!!

Who lets a 12 year old have access to a firearm - with no parental supervision?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Jen, we discussed the possibility that it may not have been a firearm, but instead perhaps firecrackers.  He still should have had supervision.  I truly wonder if they've seen these videos and the screen name he uses to post them.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 01:32:22 PM
Janet I agree with you = any footage the divers themselves took is likely long gone.

However - the names of those divers are still very important, IMO.

I agree and ... Jossy Mansur's son could reveal that information.

Jen ... what is your position on Jossy ... you positon on Eduardo?

Thanks

Janet

+++++++


klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #173 on: January 04, 2009, 02:37:49 PM »


Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.

Take care
 
Jossy


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg611967#msg611967



IIRC, it was Eduardo who procured the machines Dave and others used to dig in the landfill.

I believe Eduardo has been at the family's side since nearly day one.

Whether those intentions were always honorable - I can't honestly say at this point.

Jossy................I think there are valid points from both directions of looking at Jossy's motivations.

I also think at times Jossy has been sold a bill of goods, but proceeded to publish and speak about it knowing it was baloney.

I can't rightly say whether either of their intentions have always been honorable or not.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 01:33:49 PM
I agree with you all - whether a firearm or fire crackers - adult supervision was warranted.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 12, 2009, 01:38:25 PM
Another interesting thing about the videos are the other participant is Zeola. Father is general manager of Marriott. It is obvious these two(Sloot/Zeola) have close acquaintances even if through their children only. Joran could likely have hungout, used rooms, just about anything he would like to have done...at the Marriott ...just sayin.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 12, 2009, 01:42:43 PM
I agree with you all - whether a firearm or fire crackers - adult supervision was warranted.

 :smt039

Big problem -- when you stop to think of the adults that could be providing his supervision.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Scary to think that they may already know. After all -- they knew Joran had girls sleepover.

I'm sure Sebastian's actions will qualify him for an Olympic sport someday. Just another delicious  sporter from the family of the ditches.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 01:43:21 PM
Janet I agree with you = any footage the divers themselves took is likely long gone.

However - the names of those divers are still very important, IMO.

I agree and ... Jossy Mansur's son could reveal that information.

Jen ... what is your position on Jossy ... you positon on Eduardo?

Thanks

Janet

+++++++


klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #173 on: January 04, 2009, 02:37:49 PM »


Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.

Take care
 
Jossy


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg611967#msg611967



IIRC, it was Eduardo who procured the machines Dave and others used to dig in the landfill.

I believe Eduardo has been at the family's side since nearly day one.

Whether those intentions were always honorable - I can't honestly say at this point.

Jossy................I think there are valid points from both directions of looking at Jossy's motivations.

I also think at times Jossy has been sold a bill of goods, but proceeded to publish and speak about it knowing it was baloney.

I can't rightly say whether either of their intentions have always been honorable or not.



Thank Jen.

Could the FBI not request an interview with Eduardo Mansur in an attempt to confirm all the infor/evidence that you sent in regards to Persistence undertaking revealed in Kyle's own words?

Eduardo is not either a witness or a suspect in the Natalee Holloway investigation.  Aruban could not accuse the FBI of interfering in an ongoing investigation.

It is so frustrating.  There appears to be so many roads that the FBI can take to expose the corrupt investigation that has denied their own justice but ... those roads remain untravelled.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 01:44:14 PM
Another interesting thing about the videos are the other participant is Zeola. Father is general manager of Marriott. It is obvious these two(Sloot/Zeola) have close acquaintances even if through their children only. Joran could likely have hungout, used rooms, just about anything he would like to have done...at the Marriott ...just sayin.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong..........but wasn't one of Joran's girlfriends the daughter of some head honcho for the Marriott?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 01:45:21 PM
I agree with you all - whether a firearm or fire crackers - adult supervision was warranted.

 :smt039

Big problem -- when you stop to think of the adults that could be providing his supervision.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Scary to think that they may already know. After all -- they knew Joran had girls sleepover.

I'm sure Sebastian's actions will qualify him for an Olympic sport someday. Just another delicious  sporter from the family of the ditches.


Hiya honey!!

Good point!!  I guess mom and pop didn't learn their lesson from the actions of their eldest son.

What a shame....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 01:46:51 PM

Thank Jen.

Could the FBI not request an interview with Eduardo Mansur in an attempt to confirm all the infor/evidence that you sent in regards to Persistence undertaking revealed in Kyle's own words?

Eduardo is not either a witness or a suspect in the Natalee Holloway investigation.  Aruban could not accuse the FBI of interfering in an ongoing investigation.

It is so frustrating.  There appears to be so many roads that the FBI can take to expose the corrupt investigation that has denied their own justice but ... those roads remain untravelled.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet.

But there's a problem with that.  Eduardo was NOT aboard the Persistence on Jan 7th - according to Kyle.

Only Persistence crew were aboard for that Aruban only dive/collection.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 01:47:56 PM
Janet I agree with you = any footage the divers themselves took is likely long gone.

However - the names of those divers are still very important, IMO.

I agree and ... Jossy Mansur's son could reveal that information.

Jen ... what is your position on Jossy ... you positon on Eduardo?

Thanks

Janet

+++++++


klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #173 on: January 04, 2009, 02:37:49 PM »


Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.

Take care
 
Jossy


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg611967#msg611967



IIRC, it was Eduardo who procured the machines Dave and others used to dig in the landfill.

I believe Eduardo has been at the family's side since nearly day one.

Whether those intentions were always honorable - I can't honestly say at this point.

Jossy................I think there are valid points from both directions of looking at Jossy's motivations.

I also think at times Jossy has been sold a bill of goods, but proceeded to publish and speak about it knowing it was baloney.

I can't rightly say whether either of their intentions have always been honorable or not.



Thank Jen.

Could the FBI not request an interview with Eduardo Mansur in an attempt to confirm all the infor/evidence that you sent in regards to Persistence undertaking revealed in Kyle's own words?

Eduardo is not either a witness or a suspect in the Natalee Holloway investigation.  Aruban could not accuse the FBI of interfering in an ongoing investigation.

It is so frustrating.  There appears to be so many roads that the FBI can take to expose the corrupt investigation that has denied their own justice but ... those roads remain untravelled.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet.

I lean to the Mansur family being not so honorable regarding their involvement in the search for Natalee Holloway,i for one,think Eduardo knows much more then he's telling!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 12, 2009, 01:50:57 PM
Another interesting thing about the videos are the other participant is Zeola. Father is general manager of Marriott. It is obvious these two(Sloot/Zeola) have close acquaintances even if through their children only. Joran could likely have hungout, used rooms, just about anything he would like to have done...at the Marriott ...just sayin.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong..........but wasn't one of Joran's girlfriends the daughter of some head honcho for the Marriott?

Yes.

The one who did the interview on Greta??? that Joran was a super duper boyfriend.

iirc??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 12, 2009, 01:51:24 PM
Another interesting thing about the videos are the other participant is Zeola. Father is general manager of Marriott. It is obvious these two(Sloot/Zeola) have close acquaintances even if through their children only. Joran could likely have hungout, used rooms, just about anything he would like to have done...at the Marriott ...just sayin.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong..........but wasn't one of Joran's girlfriends the daughter of some head honcho for the Marriott?

 I recall Joran was "hanging out "at the marriott and met a girl, blonde very similar looking to Natalee and a tourist took their pics which made the news....maybe 2007?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 12, 2009, 01:55:15 PM
Fabienne Massaen, sept 2 2006

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/photos/uncategorized/sloot.jpg&imgrefurl=http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/josvanvliet/2006/09/joran_van_der_s.html&usg=__0LsyIsEvaD7W8mSB2BnBX_322V4=&h=210&w=280&sz=16&hl=en&start=63&tbnid=vhz2tCpIJbZGVM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvan%2Bder%2Bsloot%2Bmarriott%26start%3D60%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

(http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/josvanvliet/images/sloot.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 01:56:18 PM
Another interesting thing about the videos are the other participant is Zeola. Father is general manager of Marriott. It is obvious these two(Sloot/Zeola) have close acquaintances even if through their children only. Joran could likely have hungout, used rooms, just about anything he would like to have done...at the Marriott ...just sayin.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong..........but wasn't one of Joran's girlfriends the daughter of some head honcho for the Marriott?

" I have been having girlfriends since I was 14 and her name was "Jillian JOHNSON" and she now lives in the States. Her father had built the "Marriot Hotel" and she and I were both enrolled at the "International school"."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 02:01:38 PM

Thank Jen.

Could the FBI not request an interview with Eduardo Mansur in an attempt to confirm all the infor/evidence that you sent in regards to Persistence undertaking revealed in Kyle's own words?

Eduardo is not either a witness or a suspect in the Natalee Holloway investigation.  Aruban could not accuse the FBI of interfering in an ongoing investigation.

It is so frustrating.  There appears to be so many roads that the FBI can take to expose the corrupt investigation that has denied their own justice but ... those roads remain untravelled.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet.

But there's a problem with that.  Eduardo was NOT aboard the Persistence on Jan 7th - according to Kyle.

Only Persistence crew were aboard for that Aruban only dive/collection.

You are right Jen.

However ... there is also the dynamics encompassing John Silvetti's appeasing attitude with the Arubans in regards to the chain of custody that should be investigated.

This is all so discouraging.  The deception of the Persistence undertaking has been exposed.  Natalee Holloway was betrayed ... the family was betrayed ... donors were scammed while the Aruban coverup agenda was furthered.  Yet ... the "powers that be" in America are doing nothing.

The "powers that be" on the tiny Island of Aruban must be laughing.  When the past 3 1/2 years are considered ... they are emerging as the victors over what is perceived by many as one of the greatest nations on the face of the earth.

Most little guys are afraid to taunt the big guys.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2009, 02:06:32 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=260.0

PVDS 06/25/2005 STATEMENT  

PROCES VERBAAL

WE, Clyde Anthony BURKE and Haydee Azucena NADAL, respectively police sergeants first class at the Korps Police Aruba, former in service at the many appearance criminality District II and last named at the Recherde Coorperationteam Aruba, declares the following:

On June 25 2005 around 11.35 the suspect P.A.P.J van der Sloot was interrogated:  At the beginning of the interrogation the suspect P.A.P.J. van der Sloot was told that he had the right to remain silent.
                           
His statement in Dutch was put on certificate by us and declared the following:

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up. In my view I even grumbled (expressed concern) on Joran and then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family. Again I am not sure. This image comes in my head, but I had no reason at that moment to remember any of these things. I had done a lot on automatic pilot. Sure when it came to pickup and bring the kids back. I also don't know the relevance of this fact.

On your question if I can tell you what Joran wore that day, I can explain to you the following:

I can remember very vague, in my view he had something blue, but I am not absolutely sure.

On your question if I can remember what kind of shoes Joran had on, I can explain to you the following:

I think that he had a gym shoes on, but I am not sure.

On your question on what time did the above occur, I can explain to you the following:

The association of 08.00pm comes to me, because I thought that the tournament didn't start at 08.00pm?

On your question if I saw other friends of Joran at the "Raquet Club" on that Monday night of May 30 2005, I can explain to you the following:

I can't remember if I had seen Joran's friends.

On your question on which day did Joran tell me the story about dropping the missing girl at the "Holiday Inn Hotel", I can explain to you the following:

I heard the story for the first time in the night of May 30 2005 around 03.00am when the people came to my house and he told the story to the people.

On your question when did I ask when we were at the "Holiday inn hotel" on the night of May 30 2005, if the camera worked, I can explain to you the following:

I didn't ask this myself. I overheard the woman that worked behind the check-in counter talking about the cameras at the check-in counter.
On your question if I heard the conversation between Joran and the stepfather of the girl when they were talking, I can explain to you the following:

No, the conversation was between Joran and WILLIAMS and I didn't hear what they spoke to each other.

P.A.P.J van der Sloot

After the suspect P.A.P.J van der Sloot had read his statement, he declared he agrees with what is on the paper and signed it. Of which by us, on oath of office made this warrant, closed and signed in Noord on June 23 (25*), 2005.

Signed,


C.A. BURKE                                  H.A. NADAL

*June 25 at top of statement, June 23 at bottom?


DUTCH:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SM%20Property/PV062505Da.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SM%20Property/PV062505Db.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: mojo on January 12, 2009, 02:07:19 PM
guess his sport is eating.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 02:08:15 PM
Another interesting thing about the videos are the other participant is Zeola. Father is general manager of Marriott. It is obvious these two(Sloot/Zeola) have close acquaintances even if through their children only. Joran could likely have hungout, used rooms, just about anything he would like to have done...at the Marriott ...just sayin.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong..........but wasn't one of Joran's girlfriends the daughter of some head honcho for the Marriott?

" I have been having girlfriends since I was 14 and her name was "Jillian JOHNSON" and she now lives in the States. Her father had built the "Marriot Hotel" and she and I were both enrolled at the "International school"."

Yes, that one!!  Thanks texasmom!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 02:10:11 PM

You are right Jen.

However ... there is also the dynamics encompassing John Silvetti's appeasing attitude with the Arubans in regards to the chain of custody that should be investigated.

This is all so discouraging.  The deception of the Persistence undertaking has been exposed.  Natalee Holloway was betrayed ... the family was betrayed ... donors were scammed while the Aruban coverup agenda was furthered.
  Yet ... the "powers that be" in America are doing nothing.

The "powers that be" on the tiny Island of Aruban must be laughing.  When the past 3 1/2 years are considered ... they are emerging as the victors over what is perceived by many as one of the greatest nations on the face of the earth.

Most little guys are afraid to taunt the big guys.

Janet



Janet - I couldn't agree with you more!!

But take heart.  We don't know that the American authorities are doing nothing.  We have Kyle's own words here in November that they are now talking to him.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 02:13:22 PM
Klaas - yes!  good catch!

not to mention his June 18 and the "real" June 23 statements.

Both also handled by Clyde Burke - and June 23 is the one with page(s) missing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 02:23:26 PM

You are right Jen.

However ... there is also the dynamics encompassing John Silvetti's appeasing attitude with the Arubans in regards to the chain of custody that should be investigated.

This is all so discouraging.  The deception of the Persistence undertaking has been exposed.  Natalee Holloway was betrayed ... the family was betrayed ... donors were scammed while the Aruban coverup agenda was furthered.
  Yet ... the "powers that be" in America are doing nothing.

The "powers that be" on the tiny Island of Aruban must be laughing.  When the past 3 1/2 years are considered ... they are emerging as the victors over what is perceived by many as one of the greatest nations on the face of the earth.

Most little guys are afraid to taunt the big guys.

Janet



Janet - I couldn't agree with you more!!

But take heart.  We don't know that the American authorities are doing nothing.  We have Kyle's own words here in November that they are now talking to him.  ::MonkeyWink::

I hope to goodness that something is being done!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 02:26:15 PM
texasmom - I trust that something IS being done.

But - the FBI can only go so far.

Interview all aboard the persistence, obtain warrants for the ship logs, ROV images, sign in logs, etc.

Anything else is beyond their reach.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Frijole on January 12, 2009, 02:27:36 PM
guess his sport is eating.
::MonkeyHaHa::  you got that right.  scary kid


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 12, 2009, 02:28:15 PM
CapsLockWizard? Is the fishing any better this week?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 02:31:46 PM
CapsLockWizard? Is the fishing any better this week?

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 02:34:00 PM
Clyde Burke is Caps' contact/friend within ALE, and was the officer who was involved with Caps, the pond, and the "witness".....


CLYDE BURKE DID ALL 3 PAULUS INTERVIEWS 


We, Roland Ramiro TROMP and Clyde Anthony BURKE, respectively inspector and sergeant first class with the Korps Politie Aruba and attached to the Section Often Occurring Crimes, state the following.

On June 18th 2005 at approximately 18.30 hours, we interviewed as a witness the man who when asked for his name and details, stated to be, Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, occupation judge (Joint Court) and living at ADDRESS REMOVED in Aruba for further information --

We, Roland Ramiro TROMP and Clyde Anthony Burke, respectively inspector and sergeant first class, with the KorpsPolitie Aruba and attached to the section Often Occurring Crime District 2, state the following.

   On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a
suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was:
   Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT, 
born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, judge (common court)
and living at XXXXXXXX number XX on Aruba.

   Before the interview the suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT
was informed that he was under no obligation to answer.

-----------

WE, Clyde Anthony BURKE and Haydee Azucena NADAL, respectively police sergeants first class at the Korps Police Aruba, former in service at the many appearance criminality District II and last named at the Recherde Coorperationteam Aruba, declares the following:

On June 25 2005 around 11.35 the suspect P.A.P.J van der Sloot was interrogated:  At the beginning of the interrogation the suspect P.A.P.J. van der Sloot was told that he had the right to remain silent.
                           
His statement in Dutch was put on certificate by us and declared the following


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 02:56:28 PM
Clyde Burke is Caps' contact/friend within ALE, and was the officer who was involved with Caps, the pond, and the "witness".....


CLYDE BURKE DID ALL 3 PAULUS INTERVIEWS 


We, Roland Ramiro TROMP and Clyde Anthony BURKE, respectively inspector and sergeant first class with the Korps Politie Aruba and attached to the Section Often Occurring Crimes, state the following.

On June 18th 2005 at approximately 18.30 hours, we interviewed as a witness the man who when asked for his name and details, stated to be, Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, occupation judge (Joint Court) and living at ADDRESS REMOVED in Aruba for further information --

We, Roland Ramiro TROMP  and Clyde Anthony Burke, respectively inspector and sergeant first class, with the KorpsPolitie Aruba and attached to the section Often Occurring Crime District 2, state the following.

   On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a
suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was:
   Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT, 
born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, judge (common court)
and living at XXXXXXXX number XX on Aruba.

   Before the interview the suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT
was informed that he was under no obligation to answer.

-----------

WE, Clyde Anthony BURKE and Haydee Azucena NADAL, respectively police sergeants first class at the Korps Police Aruba, former in service at the many appearance criminality District II and last named at the Recherde Coorperationteam Aruba, declares the following:

On June 25 2005 around 11.35 the suspect P.A.P.J van der Sloot was interrogated:  At the beginning of the interrogation the suspect P.A.P.J. van der Sloot was told that he had the right to remain silent.
                           
His statement in Dutch was put on certificate by us and declared the following

At one time Roland Ramiro trop was forthcoming ... did not mince words.  Obviously ... his impressions could only come from his interrogations with Paulus van der Sloot or ... inside knowledge from within the investigation.

Janet

+++++++++

Aug 5, 2005 5:34 pm US/Eastern
Judge Wants Aruba Witness In Court
Testimony Could Show Suspect's Statements Are Contradictory


(Lt. Roy) Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island.

"We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do."

Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished.

"Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/Aruba.Natalee.Holloway.2.256295.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: snoopy on January 12, 2009, 03:11:23 PM
Good Morning Kkate and All Other Monkeys!


Here's alittle food for thought.....I hope it doesn't give You indigestion...lol  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/12/nyregion/12tacopina.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

So here I sit eating my salad for lunch while I try to catch up.  Of course I just have to click on the link and read that.   eeewwww  now I'm gonna need some tums.  But ya did warn us hotping. lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: snoopy on January 12, 2009, 03:17:03 PM
This, I think, is what bothers me the most about all of this.

Kyle:  She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.
---------

The proper timing was December 30th and Janurary 7th.

Not only to notify Beth, but also US authorities.

Especially if you KNEW there was something in that cage, and you KNEW Silvetti was following Aruba's lead and trying to take the focus off of it.

That time was the proper time, in hopes something could have been done about it.

Not two months later when you approach a private group of people in hopes of gaining their assistance in telling Natalee's family.

Not 8 months later when that private group of people had had quite enough of your stalling tactics.

And certainly not 12 months later - as I firmly believe if not for Natalee's Freebirds - the only people to this day who would know of the possibility of Natalee's remains having been in that trap would have been Persistence crew and the broadcast networks they brokered with, and eventually sold the footage to.

What's done is done, tragically and disturbingly.

The only thing left is for International authorities to take a look into the actions by one and all, in hopes of finding out whose remains were in that fish cage.


And there ya have it.  That's it in the nut shell.  I totally agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 03:36:06 PM
jen ... I know I am being the devil's advocate but ... maybe ... just maybe ... the chain of custody of the trap/cage which implies that that John Silvetti was a particpant to the  finale to the Aruban coverup ... should be shown as a document on one of the major networks.

At this point in time ... I believe it is too late for the FBI to investigation.  The contents of that cage/trap have long been destroyed.  Any video footage/photos taken by that Aruban diver have long been destoryed.  In other words ... Aruba has emerged as the victor and ... it was with the assistence of Tim Trahan, John Silvetti and Kyle Kingman ... Americans with self-serving interests ... self-serving interests that had nothing to do with justice prevailing for one of their own.

Tim Trahan and Kyle Kingman along with Louis Shaeffer wil benefit financially ... which makes me want to vomit but ... the truth will be revealed regarding the contents of the cage/trap and ... that truth is required if Natalee Holloway's family is to have even a measure of closure.

I know I am rambling but ... thoughts??

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 03:38:26 PM
Klaas .. Mods ... Please delete John Silvetti from this sentence included in my last post.

Thank you.

Janet

+++++++

Tim Trahan, John Silvetti and Kyle Kingman along with Louis Shaeffer ...

DONE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 04:01:55 PM
jen ... I know I am being the devil's advocate but ... maybe ... just maybe ... the chain of custody of the trap/cage which implies that that John Silvetti was a particpant to the  finale to the Aruban coverup ... should be shown as a document on one of the major networks.

At this point in time ... I believe it is too late for the FBI to investigation.  The contents of that cage/trap have long been destroyed.  Any video footage/photos taken by that Aruban diver have long been destoryed.  In other words ... Aruba has emerged as the victor and ... it was with the assistence of Tim Trahan, John Silvetti and Kyle Kingman ... Americans with self-serving interests ... self-serving interests that had nothing to do with justice prevailing for one of their own.

Tim Trahan and Kyle Kingman along with Louis Shaeffer wil benefit financially ... which makes me want to vomit but ... the truth will be revealed regarding the contents of the cage/trap and ... that truth is required if Natalee Holloway's family is to have even a measure of closure.

I know I am rambling but ... thoughts??

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



You're not rambling at all, Janet.

Trust me - on our distribution list for emailing our document we had created were all the major networks - and also DeVries.

That all got stopped with Kyle re-appearing at our forum with "that's my intellectual property, you can't use it" mumbo jumbo.

As a result, Natalee's Freebirds tabled that document pending consult with legal counsel.  That result?  We would have prevailed in any civil litigation - but it would have cost us lots and lots of money to defend.

That tied our hands significantly.

Enter the frog...............................whom I love dearly.  He took a lot on his shoulders by resigning from Freebirds to bring this information here.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 04:17:44 PM
Thanks Jen.

Well off to a City Hall for a photo shoot where my two eldest grandsons (9/10) are receiving an award for their participation is the selling almost 2,000 "Kid's with Cancer" 2009 calendars.  One of their Karate friends has been fighting a form of cancer for the past eight years ... since he was 2 years old.  Some of his fantastic artwork was included in this calendar.

A portion of every Saturday for two months prior to Christmas ... was devoted to this project.  My daughter and/or SIL assisted my grandsons with setting up a table at their  mall as well as special events being held in their community.  The total so far ... 1885 and still climbing.

Anyways ... a reporter for one of the local publications was at one of the events and ... the rest is history.

Hubby and I will be spending the night at our daughter's home.

Tomorrow, Janet
1:15 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 12, 2009, 04:18:13 PM
....and that Fine Frog has told us from early on to stay focused
on the Persistence search and not be diverted by CapsLockWizzard.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 04:20:44 PM
....and that Fine Frog has told us from early on to stay focused
on the Persistence search and not be diverted by CapsLockWizzard.



 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 04:22:29 PM
....and that Fine Frog has told us from early on to stay focused
on the Persistence search and not be diverted by CapsLockWizzard.



Yeah..........that was all a bunch of hooey.  We had picked apart the first pieces of the statement from this "witness" the first day it came out.

The next time anything about it was publicized - all the discrepancies we had pointed out were changed to fit the story better.

I still don't know whether to laugh, or beat my head against the wall about our birdie who was consorting with the "Caps In crowd" over that one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 04:29:26 PM
....and that Fine Frog has told us from early on to stay focused
on the Persistence search and not be diverted by CapsLockWizzard.



Yeah..........that was all a bunch of hooey.  We had picked apart the first pieces of the statement from this "witness" the first day it came out.

The next time anything about it was publicized - all the discrepancies we had pointed out were changed to fit the story better.

I still don't know whether to laugh, or beat my head against the wall about our birdie who was consorting with the "Caps In crowd" over that one.

How unfortunate! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 12, 2009, 04:30:36 PM
....and that Fine Frog has told us from early on to stay focused
on the Persistence search and not be diverted by CapsLockWizzard.



Yeah..........that was all a bunch of hooey.  We had picked apart the first pieces of the statement from this "witness" the first day it came out.

The next time anything about it was publicized - all the discrepancies we had pointed out were changed to fit the story better.

I still don't know whether to laugh, or beat my head against the wall about our birdie who was consorting with the "Caps In crowd" over that one.

Jen, do you know who sent Caps to divert the investigation?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2009, 04:35:31 PM
....and that Fine Frog has told us from early on to stay focused
on the Persistence search and not be diverted by CapsLockWizzard.



Yeah..........that was all a bunch of hooey.  We had picked apart the first pieces of the statement from this "witness" the first day it came out.

The next time anything about it was publicized - all the discrepancies we had pointed out were changed to fit the story better.

I still don't know whether to laugh, or beat my head against the wall about our birdie who was consorting with the "Caps In crowd" over that one.

... or cry.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
If you've been privy to what Kyle has said in his own words and you're still upholding his name! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 04:45:22 PM
....and that Fine Frog has told us from early on to stay focused
on the Persistence search and not be diverted by CapsLockWizzard.



Yeah..........that was all a bunch of hooey.  We had picked apart the first pieces of the statement from this "witness" the first day it came out.

The next time anything about it was publicized - all the discrepancies we had pointed out were changed to fit the story better.

I still don't know whether to laugh, or beat my head against the wall about our birdie who was consorting with the "Caps In crowd" over that one.

Jen, do you know who sent Caps to divert the investigation?

I can only speculate.

We know for a fact that Caps was dealing with Clyde Burke. 

We also know that Caps/the witness approached John Silvetti with an attorney in tow before anything was said to any ALE member.

We know this occurred right at the time Silvetti was turning his back on the cage and its contents.

John did this after Mos and Richardson were on the Persistence for the Dec 29th dive.

So those folks (along with unnamed Aruban divers) are your players in all of this.

As far as who instigated this whole "witness" charade............well, that still has to be determined.

In that compilation of Caps' posts that Kermie posted here a few weeks ago - it lays out what Caps was doing.

Who knows..........Caps may very well be this "witness".  After all, he was the one going on and on about needing one to prove his pond theory- and then miraculously one appeared!  To Caps, of all people. ::MonkeyConfused::

In looking back at my notes - it was right around the time the "witness" came to the US to take a polygraph when we first noticed caps logged in here, and no one from Aruba being on the site meter.

For that whole week.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 04:51:08 PM
....and that Fine Frog has told us from early on to stay focused
on the Persistence search and not be diverted by CapsLockWizzard.



Yeah..........that was all a bunch of hooey.  We had picked apart the first pieces of the statement from this "witness" the first day it came out.

The next time anything about it was publicized - all the discrepancies we had pointed out were changed to fit the story better.

I still don't know whether to laugh, or beat my head against the wall about our birdie who was consorting with the "Caps In crowd" over that one.

How unfortunate! ::MonkeyNoNo::

It really was!

Remember, Part 1 came out in Diario on I think either a Wednesday or Thursday?

Then part 2 was supposed to come out the following Monday - but didn't come out until Tuesday?

So when that finally was published a day late - it had all the changes made we had pointed out were impossible, and actually went so far as to completely re-write parts of the initial publication of this "statement".


Did you all notice that in part 1, the witness had the DAY WRONG?  He said it was the NIGHT of May 30th - not the night of May 29th.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Not to mention the 11:00 am hearing it on the radio on May 30th - lord, she hadn't even been reported missing until 12:30 pm.

Then there was the initial 4:00 am sighting in part 1.............part 2 had it changed to 3:44 am.

In one version this "witness" checks his alarm clock.............and in another he checks his watch instead.

It was comical to say the least.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 04:53:34 PM

... or cry.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


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Believe you me............we've all done a lot of that this past year!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 04:54:21 PM
....and that Fine Frog has told us from early on to stay focused
on the Persistence search and not be diverted by CapsLockWizzard.



Yeah..........that was all a bunch of hooey.  We had picked apart the first pieces of the statement from this "witness" the first day it came out.

The next time anything about it was publicized - all the discrepancies we had pointed out were changed to fit the story better.

I still don't know whether to laugh, or beat my head against the wall about our birdie who was consorting with the "Caps In crowd" over that one.

How unfortunate! ::MonkeyNoNo::

It really was!

Remember, Part 1 came out in Diario on I think either a Wednesday or Thursday?

Then part 2 was supposed to come out the following Monday - but didn't come out until Tuesday?

So when that finally was published a day late - it had all the changes made we had pointed out were impossible, and actually went so far as to completely re-write parts of the initial publication of this "statement".


Did you all notice that in part 1, the witness had the DAY WRONG?  He said it was the NIGHT of May 30th - not the night of May 29th.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Not to mention the 11:00 am hearing it on the radio on May 30th - lord, she hadn't even been reported missing until 12:30 pm.

Then there was the initial 4:00 am sighting in part 1.............part 2 had it changed to 3:44 am.

In one version this "witness" checks his alarm clock.............and in another he checks his watch instead.

It was comical to say the least.

Do we know who Jossy was getting his information from?Caps?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 12, 2009, 04:57:52 PM

Believe you me............we've all done a lot of that this past year!
[/quote]

 :smt056


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 05:00:33 PM


Do we know who Jossy was getting his information from?Caps?

Well it was either from Caps/witness, Silvetti, or Clyde Burke.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on January 12, 2009, 05:01:01 PM
Hi monkeys,

Well, my life insisted I participate for a few days, so I've only popped in and out to see what's up.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Seems the only major player who came close to getting arrested is Hero Brinkman!   ::MonkeyShocked::


How disappointing.

Thank goodness for Kermit, our brave little frog for coming here to tell us the truth, and standing strong in the controversy......Thanks a million Kermit, and those who have backed the frog!



Helen Back




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 12, 2009, 05:03:03 PM
Magnolia

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 05:03:53 PM

Believe you me............we've all done a lot of that this past year!

 :smt056
[/quote]

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 05:05:48 PM


Do we know who Jossy was getting his information from?Caps?

Well it was either from Caps/witness, Silvetti, or Clyde Burke.

This is my problem with Jossy,as well as Eduardo.Those two have been there right with ALE the whole time.Coincidence?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 05:07:15 PM


Do we know who Jossy was getting his information from?Caps?

Keep in mind - by this time, this witness had all of this in the form of a written statement. 

He had met with Silvetti, and........was it Helen Lejuez or Vinda DeSousa?  I don't remember which one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2009, 05:10:11 PM


Do we know who Jossy was getting his information from?Caps?

Well it was either from Caps/witness, Silvetti, or Clyde Burke.

Jossy has said many times that his people have an ALE contact.  I wonder if that contact is Clyde Burke, or Clyde and others at Clyde's level?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 12, 2009, 05:10:42 PM


Do we know who Jossy was getting his information from?Caps?

Keep in mind - by this time, this witness had all of this in the form of a written statement. 

He had met with Silvetti, and........was it Helen Lejuez or Vinda DeSousa?  I don't remember which one.

Right.

klaas told us that she put CAPS in touch with Lala's and Hotshot.

Hotshot told us she put CAPS in touch with Silvetti.

HOW did she know Silvetti???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 05:13:01 PM


Do we know who Jossy was getting his information from?Caps?

Well it was either from Caps/witness, Silvetti, or Clyde Burke.

Jossy has said many times that his people have an ALE contact.  I wonder if that contact is Clyde Burke, or Clyde and others at Clyde's level?

I've been wondering that too, Klaas.

Interesting to note about all of that.......

Caps/witness and Silvetti were working with Clyde Burke back in January 2008 - yet, there was nothing from this witness officially to ALE/OM until what was it?  March?

I wonder why that is?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 05:14:32 PM


Do we know who Jossy was getting his information from?Caps?

Keep in mind - by this time, this witness had all of this in the form of a written statement. 

He had met with Silvetti, and........was it Helen Lejuez or Vinda DeSousa?  I don't remember which one.

Right.

klaas told us that she put CAPS in touch with Lala's and Hotshot.

Hotshot told us she put CAPS in touch with Silvetti.

HOW did she know Silvetti???

And why send Caps to Silvetti?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 05:17:01 PM


Do we know who Jossy was getting his information from?Caps?

Keep in mind - by this time, this witness had all of this in the form of a written statement. 

He had met with Silvetti, and........was it Helen Lejuez or Vinda DeSousa?  I don't remember which one.

Right.

klaas told us that she put CAPS in touch with Lala's and Hotshot.

Hotshot told us she put CAPS in touch with Silvetti.

HOW did she know Silvetti???


 ::MonkeyCool::

Excellent question Sharon!

And yet our birdie consorting with the "caps in crowd" said that it was DAVE HOLLOWAY who put Caps in touch with Silvetti, via Tim Miller (who was LONG GONE from the boat by that time, btw - so that couldn't have worked).

Who was lying to whom?  And all of these people are on the same message board together right now - and it just kills me that they are all believing each other - when it's obvious some of them are lying/being lied to.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 05:19:12 PM


And why send Caps to Silvetti?

That also is an excellent question!

Everyone/anyone who lives on Aruba KNOWS that pond dries up on its on in their dry season.  It has been dry twice (that we know of) between May 2005 and February 2008.

So why pick THAT pond - knowing that story wouldn't hold any water? (no pun intended).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 05:20:09 PM


Do we know who Jossy was getting his information from?Caps?

Keep in mind - by this time, this witness had all of this in the form of a written statement. 

He had met with Silvetti, and........was it Helen Lejuez or Vinda DeSousa?  I don't remember which one.

Right.

klaas told us that she put CAPS in touch with Lala's and Hotshot.

Hotshot told us she put CAPS in touch with Silvetti.

HOW did she know Silvetti???


 ::MonkeyCool::

Excellent question Sharon!

And yet our birdie consorting with the "caps in crowd" said that it was DAVE HOLLOWAY who put Caps in touch with Silvetti, via Tim Miller (who was LONG GONE from the boat by that time, btw - so that couldn't have worked).

Who was lying to whom?  And all of these people are on the same message board together right now - and it just kills me that they are all believing each other - when it's obvious some of them are lying/being lied to.

I got a sense that they continue to Lurk here on a steady rotation! ::MonkeyLaugh:: JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2009, 05:20:14 PM


Do we know who Jossy was getting his information from?Caps?

Keep in mind - by this time, this witness had all of this in the form of a written statement. 

He had met with Silvetti, and........was it Helen Lejuez or Vinda DeSousa?  I don't remember which one.

Right.

klaas told us that she put CAPS in touch with Lala's and Hotshot.

Hotshot told us she put CAPS in touch with Silvetti.

HOW did she know Silvetti???

Dave may have given her contact to Silvetti.  Some people find a way to interject themselves into these cases.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 05:23:40 PM
klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 12, 2009, 05:25:16 PM


Do we know who Jossy was getting his information from?Caps?

Keep in mind - by this time, this witness had all of this in the form of a written statement. 

He had met with Silvetti, and........was it Helen Lejuez or Vinda DeSousa?  I don't remember which one.

Right.

klaas told us that she put CAPS in touch with Lala's and Hotshot.

Hotshot told us she put CAPS in touch with Silvetti.

HOW did she know Silvetti???

Dave may have given her contact to Silvetti.  Some people find a way to interject themselves into these cases.

Thanks klaas!

So I've come full cirlce  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'm still trying to figure out who brokered the Dave/Schaeffer,Silvetti deal.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 05:28:05 PM


Thanks klaas!

So I've come full cirlce  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'm still trying to figure out who brokered the Dave/Schaeffer,Silvetti deal.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I think the only question is - who put Shaefer and Dave in touch with each other?

Shaefer brought Silvetti on board - remember, at first there were 2 completely different ships that were going to be used.

Then VERY last minute - it changed to the Persistence.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 12, 2009, 05:28:19 PM
I think Hotshot is a nut that likes to insert herself into details of
this case, but I do not think she would intentionly divert the
investigation.  She makes really dumb choices like buying the
ticket to Aruba while boycotting the travel show....says she has
to go and get the DNA off the rocks. ::MonkeyRoll::
She could have conspired to "create" evidence in the form of
a witness, but I do not think she would knowingly divert the
investigation from Natalee's remains.  She may have been duped.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 05:32:59 PM


Thanks klaas!

So I've come full cirlce  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'm still trying to figure out who brokered the Dave/Schaeffer,Silvetti deal.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I think the only question is - who put Shaefer and Dave in touch with each other?

Shaefer brought Silvetti on board - remember, at first there were 2 completely different ships that were going to be used.

Then VERY last minute - it changed to the Persistence.

Why?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2009, 05:36:44 PM
klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

1.  Caps started posting on the front page of SM 12/20/07 and he asked how he could join the forum. I emailed and told him.  He then joined the SM forum on 12/20/07.  I thought it might be helpful to have an Aruban posting again.

2.  Caps talked about solving the Shango/Simian riddle.  He wanted to contact Dave or Beth.  I arranged for him to contact via email people I knew had direct contact with either Beth or Dave (I do not).  So I facilitated Caps getting ahold of both Hotshot and Lala's.    Now, if there was some kind of sneaky behind the scenes going on already between Hotshot and Caps I wouldn't know about it and I don't think that was the case.

3.  It is my understanding that it was Hotshot that did get Caps in touch with Silvetti.  Dave probably didn't have the time or inclination to deal with Caps and so Hotshot handled it.

I do not know Caps motives.  I believe I do know who he really is.  He did say he knows or is friends with Clyde Burke (that bothers me). 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
ktf - I don't know.  I sure wish we did.

Remember - folks at cng are stating that Jug Twitty KNEW the Persistence's MAIN goal for that trip was oil related.

True?
False?

If it is true - then that shows Shaefer and Silvetti both to be two of the biggest opportunists I've heard of!

To capitalize a pre-planned oil trip by stating it was a humanitarian mission to find and bring home Natlaee Holloway would be one of the more disgusting things those two have done.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 12, 2009, 05:38:33 PM


Thanks klaas!

So I've come full cirlce  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'm still trying to figure out who brokered the Dave/Schaeffer,Silvetti deal.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I think the only question is - who put Shaefer and Dave in touch with each other?

Shaefer brought Silvetti on board - remember, at first there were 2 completely different ships that were going to be used.

Then VERY last minute - it changed to the Persistence.

Why?

Schaffer sold the larger of the two ships to the Dutch
before he ever took possession of it.  That was due to
money porblems.  Don't know about the smaller ship.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2009, 05:38:52 PM


Thanks klaas!

So I've come full cirlce  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'm still trying to figure out who brokered the Dave/Schaeffer,Silvetti deal.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I think the only question is - who put Shaefer and Dave in touch with each other?

Shaefer brought Silvetti on board - remember, at first there were 2 completely different ships that were going to be used.

Then VERY last minute - it changed to the Persistence.

Alot of thing changed at the last minute including the Dateline access.  Tim Miller was going to give us (SM) daily updates on the search.  That ended when Dateline got involved as I'm sure the wanted exclusive rights (except for what Kyle was allowed to post on his blog).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 05:39:53 PM
klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

1.  Caps started posting on the front page of SM 12/20/07 and he asked how he could join the forum. I emailed and told him.  He then joined the SM forum on 12/20/07.  I thought it might be helpful to have an Aruban posting again.

2.  Caps talked about solving the Shango/Simian riddle.  He wanted to contact Dave or Beth.  I arranged for him to contact via email people I knew had direct contact with either Beth or Dave (I do not).  So I facilitated Caps getting ahold of both Hotshot and Lala's.    Now, if there was some kind of sneaky behind the scenes going on already between Hotshot and Caps I wouldn't know about it and I don't think that was the case.

3.  It is my understanding that it was Hotshot that did get Caps in touch with Silvetti.  Dave probably didn't have the time or inclination to deal with Caps and so Hotshot handled it.

I do not know Caps motives.  I believe I do know who he really is.  He did say he knows or is friends with Clyde Burke (that bothers me). 

Thanks Klaas - I understand better now.

I believe we also know who caps really is.  And I agree - very troublesome that he has a connection with Clyde Burke - considering what we've all learned about him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 05:41:13 PM


Thanks klaas!

So I've come full cirlce  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'm still trying to figure out who brokered the Dave/Schaeffer,Silvetti deal.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I think the only question is - who put Shaefer and Dave in touch with each other?

Shaefer brought Silvetti on board - remember, at first there were 2 completely different ships that were going to be used.

Then VERY last minute - it changed to the Persistence.

Why?

Schaffer sold the larger of the two ships to the Dutch
before he ever took possession of it.  That was due to
money porblems.  Don't know about the smaller ship.

Sold a ship to the Dutch?Oh man.Silvetti goes into business with the Dutch.Correct!Seems Shaeffer and Silvetti are all too cozy with the Dutch! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 05:42:30 PM


Alot of thing changed at the last minute including the Dateline access.  Tim Miller was going to give us (SM) daily updates on the search.  That ended when Dateline got involved as I'm sure the wanted exclusive rights (except for what Kyle was allowed to post on his blog).

I remember Kyle told us that the Dateline thing was supposed to be centered on TES - not this case, per se.

That when they found the cage and Dateline happened to be on board, that's when the Dateline show became all about this case...........and Silvetti was..................well...............unhappy to say the very least.

That's really too bad that Tim was no longer able to give you guys daily updates.  That would have been invaluable.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 05:48:14 PM


Thanks klaas!

So I've come full cirlce  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'm still trying to figure out who brokered the Dave/Schaeffer,Silvetti deal.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I think the only question is - who put Shaefer and Dave in touch with each other?

Shaefer brought Silvetti on board - remember, at first there were 2 completely different ships that were going to be used.

Then VERY last minute - it changed to the Persistence.

Why?

Schaffer sold the larger of the two ships to the Dutch
before he ever took possession of it.  That was due to
money porblems.  Don't know about the smaller ship.

Here's some more info on that:

APACHE WAS THE FIRST SHIP,,,,,,THEN LOOKS LIKE IT STILL WORKED FOR SHAEFER LATER

SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL INC. - DEEP Current report filing ... The Gulmar Falcon, a DP II DSV, returned to service in October 2007 on a saturation diving project in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico and began generating revenues ...
sec.edgar-online.com/2007/ 11/15/0000950134-07-024064/Section6.asp


this is same boat, read the next paragraph

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

The M/V Apache has been involved in operations with the DP DSV Falcon from 2-25-07 to 3-15-07. The Apache has been working in a support role with the Falcon transferring both supplies and personnel to the vessel. The Apache has been maintained in a state of readiness with a full crew ready to perform tasks as needed. The crew of the Apache has performed in a professional manner and displayed a safety

OE posted:
  First, WOW I haven't heard anything about two ships, or ships of that size being used in the search. I don't know where this information came from.  The Persistence was the right boat for the job.  Let me explain over kill.  Over kill was when we were finished using the capabilities intrinsic to the Persistence.  This includes a geophysical suite, namely side scan sonar, magnetometer, and bathymetric mapping abilities.  Once this portion of the work was complete, we no longer needed these capabilities. The information that came out early on about these tw boats you mentioned... I have not seen... and I was involved in the planning.

There was a re-direct in which ship would be used before the Persistence.  I'm unsure of the boat that was to be used, but it withdrew at the last minute during mobilization if I'm not mistaken.  If memory serves, it was a similar size to the Persistence.  I'm sure someone here within minutes of the posting will correct me and post all the information on the boat.  It may have been the Apache.  Not sure.  Either way, the Persistence was just right for the job.  However, it isn't a ROV boat even though we used a small inspection class ROV with it.  It also lacks a dynamic positioning system enabling it to "hover" over a fixed position using bow and stern thrusters.   
-----------------

What do you receive by choosing Apache Boat Co.?

-The M/V Apache is a clean and comfortable vessel. She was refitted during the winter of 2006/2007. Her captain Jim Reeks, is owner/operator, and will see that your expectations are exceeded. The crew of the M/V Apache is well seasoned, courteous and clean.

 -Captain Reeks started working on vessels in the Gulf of Mexico in 1966 at age 14. As time passed he wanted to broaden his knowledge. He started commercial diving in 1971, and studied marine archeology at Southern Methodist University. He was also owner/operator of a compressor company and a commercial diving company. He has worked in the Gulf extensively since 1998. In 2006 he formed Apache Boat Co., Inc. Captain Reeks has experience working production, construction, commercial diving, survey, and serving the shipping industry. He understands his customers needs and will deliver quality service in a safe and timely manner.

Our Mission Statement

- We are committed to providing the best possible service in the Gulf of Mexico. Our company is constantly moving forward to meet and exceed our customer¢s expectations  in the future.

Our Values

Safety

-          safety in all activities

-          safeguard our environment

-          correct potential hazards

Honesty and Integrity

-          Treat our customers and employees with honesty and Integrity and expect the same in return.

-          Our employees and customers come first

Our Employees

-          recognize individual contributions

-          provide training and development opportunities

-          promote employee achievement and  accountability

Customer Satisfaction

-          build strong customer relations through integrity, hard work and satisfaction

-          keep our commitments

-          provide value to or customers

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL INC. - DEEP Current report filing ... The Gulmar Falcon, a DP II DSV, returned to service in October 2007 on a saturation diving project in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico and began generating revenues ...
sec.edgar-online.com/2007/ 11/15/0000950134-07-024064/Section6.asp


The M/V Apache has been involved in operations with the DP DSV Falcon from 2-25-07 to 3-15-07. The Apache has been working in a support role with the Falcon transferring both supplies and personnel to the vessel. The Apache has been maintained in a state of readiness with a full crew ready to perform tasks as needed. The crew of the Apache has performed in a professional manner and displayed a safety conscious attitude. The captain and crew have displayed a very positive can do attitude and a willingness to provide the Falcon with the best possible service. In short I would recommend this vessel for a wide range of offshore support operations. "

Scott Mcauley
Superintendent - DSV Gulmar Falcon
Superior Offshore International


http://apacheboatco.com/index.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 05:50:19 PM
These are links and posts that will help with what Hotshot has said about how she knows certain people being discussed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg588902#msg588902

Hotshot's Post:

Quote
I know john only in speaking with him twice about the case.  No I did not get him in touch with Dave, Schafer did that i do believe.  Some of the Monkeys have all the right in believing what they want to believe, however, I refuse to believe that they are bad guys.  I have a theory, i have stated it, and i dont want to get into it again.  For people to pounce on kyle for something that wasnt even his job to do, is very poor.  I have explained that also.  I have talked with Kyle for quite some time now, and believe when he tells me that words were taken
out of context.  i believe in Tim miller whole heartedly, and can't fathom him being involved with anyone who wouldnt want to find natalee.  Silvetti is now working on the gulf cost with Tim, are people going to say now that he is scanning for oil there too? We all have a reason for being here, and doing what we do, just because it doesn't fit in some peoples agendas, doesnt mean we are not here for natalee.  we wouldnt be here if we were not here for natalee.  Everything that pops up doesnt have to be a diversion.  I sent Caps out to find Silvetti, and I have said that before.  Why???  Caps needed help with the pond. I cant say for sure why Silvetti would call Tim a liability, but I am pretty sure Tim wanted to see for himself what was in the trap, as he didnt believe it wasn't a skull.......I dont think Tim got the chance to see for himself, and thats too bad.  i think that was a chance of a lifetime.  Mansure was on the boat, why?  I dont know, that what I was told by his dad.....He did NOT do the dive...
I am off to sleep now.  the new job has me wanting my pillow..GN all.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg566913#msg566913

Hotshot's post:

Quote
snip:  I personally have met with Tim, and Schafer way back in Jan of 2006 back when they were trying to get things going with the Persistence, and getting the OK to go to Aruban waters.  It was several of us that met with them.  So its not like they lost their monies back in 2006 and waited till almost 2008 to scan for oil, etc....  They were waiting to get the OK from Aruba.  And we all know how long they can take.  Schafer is a Seaman, John is not.  Tim is not, he helps in anyway he can to search for the missing, and if that means on a ship, then so be it.  Either way here, it all comes down to one girl, and that is Natalee, they all came together for Natalee.  Not themselves.  There is always one bad apple in a group, I am not saying that "there was", but IF pics were truly going to be sold for his own purpose "other then the film crew that were on the boat", then shame on him.  I just really don't want to think that is true. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 12, 2009, 05:54:37 PM
Now this one is very interesting................shows HotShot knew Shaefer way back when.

But - we know part of this is incorrect - it was never the Persistence until last minute -and certainly not back in 2006


HotShot:

Hotshot's post:


Quote
snip:  I personally have met with Tim, and Schafer way back in Jan of 2006 back when they were trying to get things going with the Persistence, and getting the OK to go to Aruban waters.  It was several of us that met with them.  So its not like they lost their monies back in 2006 and waited till almost 2008 to scan for oil, etc....  They were waiting to get the OK from Aruba.  And we all know how long they can take.  Schafer is a Seaman, John is not.  Tim is not, he helps in anyway he can to search for the missing, and if that means on a ship, then so be it.  Either way here, it all comes down to one girl, and that is Natalee, they all came together for Natalee.  Not themselves.  There is always one bad apple in a group, I am not saying that "there was", but IF pics were truly going to be sold for his own purpose "other then the film crew that were on the boat", then shame on him.  I just really don't want to think that is true. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 05:57:32 PM
Now this one is very interesting................shows HotShot knew Shaefer way back when.

But - we know part of this is incorrect - it was never the Persistence until last minute -and certainly not back in 2006


HotShot:

Hotshot's post:


Quote
snip:  I personally have met with Tim, and Schafer way back in Jan of 2006 back when they were trying to get things going with the Persistence, and getting the OK to go to Aruban waters.  It was several of us that met with them.  So its not like they lost their monies back in 2006 and waited till almost 2008 to scan for oil, etc....  They were waiting to get the OK from Aruba.  And we all know how long they can take.  Schafer is a Seaman, John is not.  Tim is not, he helps in anyway he can to search for the missing, and if that means on a ship, then so be it.  Either way here, it all comes down to one girl, and that is Natalee, they all came together for Natalee.  Not themselves.  There is always one bad apple in a group, I am not saying that "there was", but IF pics were truly going to be sold for his own purpose "other then the film crew that were on the boat", then shame on him.  I just really don't want to think that is true. 

Also.Who where those several people.Now that would be interesting.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 06:00:27 PM
Now this one is very interesting................shows HotShot knew Shaefer way back when.

But - we know part of this is incorrect - it was never the Persistence until last minute -and certainly not back in 2006


HotShot:

Hotshot's post:


Quote
snip:  I personally have met with Tim, and Shaefer way back in Jan of 2006 back when they were trying to get things going with the Persistence, and getting the OK to go to Aruban waters.  It was several of us that met with them.  So its not like they lost their monies back in 2006 and waited till almost 2008 to scan for oil, etc....  They were waiting to get the OK from Aruba.  And we all know how long they can take.  Schafer is a Seaman, John is not.  Tim is not, he helps in anyway he can to search for the missing, and if that means on a ship, then so be it.  Either way here, it all comes down to one girl, and that is Natalee, they all came together for Natalee.  Not themselves.  There is always one bad apple in a group, I am not saying that "there was", but IF pics were truly going to be sold for his own purpose "other then the film crew that were on the boat", then shame on him.  I just really don't want to think that is true. 

I'd like to know if Tim Miller contacted Louis Shaefer or if Louis Shaefer contacted Tim Miller.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 12, 2009, 06:01:42 PM
Magnolia

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

Now I am ready for the flames but be gentle. As far as that bag-there is no way I can see Natalee or anyone in the photos of the bag, what's more- there is no way anyone would have stashed a body-even for a short period of time-even if they were as high as a kite in a drainage area so close to the road. that ditch is in a high traffic area both car and pedestrian, and I still don't believe it. Mangroves maybe, but not in a bag and then in the ditch and then in the mangroves or any combination there of.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 06:07:27 PM
http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7428547

Crews Leave Acadiana To Search For Natalee Holloway
 
David D'Aquin
 
(KATC)-- An international story takes on an Acadiana angle Thursday. Crews from Acadiana are on their way to Aruba to help in the search for Natalee Holloway. Holloway has been missing for two and a half years.

In St. Martin Parish Thursday-- Holloway's father who said he is excited about the search. He went on further, and said he is looking for closure. That "closure" wouldn't be possible without the help of strangers.

"We just didn't have the capabilities," said Dave Holloway, "Louis Shaefer found out about it and said, 'i've got the ability.' I've got the expertise. I've got the equipment, and I can do the job."

Louis Shaefer is retired after working off shore for more than 40 years. He's paying for the million dollar project.

"I'm just lucky that I'm at the right place at the right time," said Shaefer.

"we're just so thankful that he's got a big heart and is willing to do that," said Holloway.

The ship is the research vessel "Persistance," owned by Marine Services in Lafayette. It will take about seven days to make the journey from the Port of Iberia to Aruba.

"i've got a feeling that if she's in the ocean, these gusy are going to find her," said Holloway, who will be staying in U.S. while crews search for his daughter. He said, he knows his daughter is dead, and doesn't want to be there when she is found, "the FBI told us that Natalee's not with us anymore. And, as a parent, you always hope that wasn't the case. But, in reality, we know that already."






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 06:07:35 PM
Magnolia

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

Now I am ready for the flames but be gentle. As far as that bag-there is no way I can see Natalee or anyone in the photos of the bag, what's more- there is no way anyone would have stashed a body-even for a short period of time-even if they were as high as a kite in a drainage area so close to the road. that ditch is in a high traffic area both car and pedestrian, and I still don't believe it. Mangroves maybe, but not in a bag and then in the ditch and then in the mangroves or any combination there of.


I believe that is HotShots Theory BB.Any Monkey please correct me if i'm wrong!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 12, 2009, 06:12:04 PM


Thanks klaas!

So I've come full cirlce  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'm still trying to figure out who brokered the Dave/Schaeffer,Silvetti deal.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I think the only question is - who put Shaefer and Dave in touch with each other?

Shaefer brought Silvetti on board - remember, at first there were 2 completely different ships that were going to be used.

Then VERY last minute - it changed to the Persistence.
snip
Tim Miller: Well, we talked to a lot of people in Aruba. And they say 90 percent of anybody that drowns on that side of the island, their bodies will float up to the banks of Venezuela. I don't think that they was willing to take a risk on Natalee’s body floating.

Miller was determined to launch a search, but one sophisticated enough to find a target so tiny -- a fish trap -- in an area so vast seemed just about impossible.

Until Louis Schaefer entered the picture.

Louis Shaefer: I’ve been following the story ever since it happened. And I felt so sad for Dave and Beth because they just didn't seem like they were getting the cooperation and everything they needed.

Schaefer is a self-made multimillionaire who made his fortune in the underwater exploration business.

Schaefer was one of the few people in the world with the expertise to help find Natalee’s body if Tim Miller's theory was correct. And he was offering his services free of charge.

The plan was to use high-tech equipment to map the ocean floor off Aruba, and then, step-by-step, use state of the art equipment to scan the bottom for anything that looked like it could contain Natalee’s remains.

  Natalee Holloway story in pictures



Just before Thanksgiving, 2007, Dave Holloway came to see the Persistence -- the vessel that he hoped would bring Natalee home.

It was the beginning of another heartbreaking turn -- one that would take them from heights of hope to depths of despair.

Dave Holloway: There's been times, I’ll be honest with you, you look up at the sky at night, or get up and you can't sleep. Look up at the stars. Think, God help us. Answer some prayers for us.
CONTINUED


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:XrtBJ9OG9cYJ:www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/3/+how+did+Shaefer+and+Dave+Holloway+meet&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on January 12, 2009, 06:21:46 PM
Magnolia

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

Now I am ready for the flames but be gentle. As far as that bag-there is no way I can see Natalee or anyone in the photos of the bag, what's more- there is no way anyone would have stashed a body-even for a short period of time-even if they were as high as a kite in a drainage area so close to the road. that ditch is in a high traffic area both car and pedestrian, and I still don't believe it. Mangroves maybe, but not in a bag and then in the ditch and then in the mangroves or any combination there of.


I believe that is HotShots Theory BB.Any Monkey please correct me if i'm wrong!

oh ok. Now I see what you are saying. I do remember there were quit a few who thought they were seeing Natalee in that bag also.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 12, 2009, 06:27:07 PM
Schafer is a Seaman, John is not. 

Is this reversed??  I would think Silvetti is the seaman.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 06:28:41 PM
Magnolia

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

Now I am ready for the flames but be gentle. As far as that bag-there is no way I can see Natalee or anyone in the photos of the bag, what's more- there is no way anyone would have stashed a body-even for a short period of time-even if they were as high as a kite in a drainage area so close to the road. that ditch is in a high traffic area both car and pedestrian, and I still don't believe it. Mangroves maybe, but not in a bag and then in the ditch and then in the mangroves or any combination there of.


I believe that is HotShots Theory BB.Any Monkey please correct me if i'm wrong!

oh ok. Now I see what you are saying. I do remember there were quit a few who thought they were seeing Natalee in that bag also.

Maybe other's did as well BB.Not sure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2009, 06:33:07 PM
Magnolia

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

Now I am ready for the flames but be gentle. As far as that bag-there is no way I can see Natalee or anyone in the photos of the bag, what's more- there is no way anyone would have stashed a body-even for a short period of time-even if they were as high as a kite in a drainage area so close to the road. that ditch is in a high traffic area both car and pedestrian, and I still don't believe it. Mangroves maybe, but not in a bag and then in the ditch and then in the mangroves or any combination there of.


I believe that is HotShots Theory BB.Any Monkey please correct me if i'm wrong!

oh ok. Now I see what you are saying. I do remember there were quit a few who thought they were seeing Natalee in that bag also.

There is no doubt that if you invert the colors and do some adjusting there is an image that looks like Natalee with her eyes closed.  The problem I have always had with this is that, IMO

1.  The bag was too small for her entire body to be in. 
2.  There is no way she would look like that unless the video was made almost immediately after her body was put in the bag.
3.  Why would she be placed in the drain where she would be found/seen and WHY wouldn't the person taking the video do something about it.

This above is my own personal opinion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 12, 2009, 06:52:07 PM
Schafer is a Seaman, John is not. 

Is this reversed??  I would think Silvetti is the seaman.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I questioned that, too, when I was reading.  If anything, maybe they both are seamen. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2009, 07:01:20 PM
Diario finally back up.  I'm just looking it over now:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 07:04:00 PM
Diario finally back up.  I'm just looking it over now:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/

Thanks Klaas!  Anything about bones?   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2009, 07:12:54 PM
Diario finally back up.  I'm just looking it over now:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/

Thanks Klaas!  Anything about bones?   ::MonkeyWink::

Not that I can find and it doesn't look like it's very up to date.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 07:16:01 PM
Diario finally back up.  I'm just looking it over now:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/

Thanks Klaas!  Anything about bones?   ::MonkeyWink::

Not that I can find and it doesn't look like it's very up to date.

I noticed that too!  Most is old news.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 07:18:16 PM
Guess we understand why the people on Aruba aren't very well informed! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 12, 2009, 07:20:33 PM
http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7428547

Crews Leave Acadiana To Search For Natalee Holloway
 
David D'Aquin
 
(KATC)-- An international story takes on an Acadiana angle Thursday. Crews from Acadiana are on their way to Aruba to help in the search for Natalee Holloway. Holloway has been missing for two and a half years.

In St. Martin Parish Thursday-- Holloway's father who said he is excited about the search. He went on further, and said he is looking for closure. That "closure" wouldn't be possible without the help of strangers.

"We just didn't have the capabilities," said Dave Holloway, "Louis Shaefer found out about it and said, 'i've got the ability.' I've got the expertise. I've got the equipment, and I can do the job."

Louis Shaefer is retired after working off shore for more than 40 years. He's paying for the million dollar project.

"I'm just lucky that I'm at the right place at the right time," said Shaefer.

"we're just so thankful that he's got a big heart and is willing to do that," said Holloway.

The ship is the research vessel "Persistance," owned by Marine Services in Lafayette. It will take about seven days to make the journey from the Port of Iberia to Aruba.

"i've got a feeling that if she's in the ocean, these gusy are going to find her," said Holloway, who will be staying in U.S. while crews search for his daughter. He said, he knows his daughter is dead, and doesn't want to be there when she is found, "the FBI told us that Natalee's not with us anymore. And, as a parent, you always hope that wasn't the case. But, in reality, we know that already."






Yes Texasmom, I read that article in our local newspaper. They had no news when they returned to the US.
What can we all do now? We must remember what Red said not long ago.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2009, 07:50:14 PM
http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7428547

Crews Leave Acadiana To Search For Natalee Holloway
 
David D'Aquin
 
(KATC)-- An international story takes on an Acadiana angle Thursday. Crews from Acadiana are on their way to Aruba to help in the search for Natalee Holloway. Holloway has been missing for two and a half years.

In St. Martin Parish Thursday-- Holloway's father who said he is excited about the search. He went on further, and said he is looking for closure. That "closure" wouldn't be possible without the help of strangers.

"We just didn't have the capabilities," said Dave Holloway, "Louis Shaefer found out about it and said, 'i've got the ability.' I've got the expertise. I've got the equipment, and I can do the job."

Louis Shaefer is retired after working off shore for more than 40 years. He's paying for the million dollar project.

"I'm just lucky that I'm at the right place at the right time," said Shaefer.

"we're just so thankful that he's got a big heart and is willing to do that," said Holloway.

The ship is the research vessel "Persistance," owned by Marine Services in Lafayette. It will take about seven days to make the journey from the Port of Iberia to Aruba.

"i've got a feeling that if she's in the ocean, these gusy are going to find her," said Holloway, who will be staying in U.S. while crews search for his daughter. He said, he knows his daughter is dead, and doesn't want to be there when she is found, "the FBI told us that Natalee's not with us anymore. And, as a parent, you always hope that wasn't the case. But, in reality, we know that already."


Yes Texasmom, I read that article in our local newspaper. They had no news when they returned to the US.
What can we all do now? We must remember what Red said not long ago.

I wish I knew what to do, waiting patiently is just not something I do well.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2009, 08:47:29 PM
Jumpin off for awhile so all you Monkey's don't post at once! ::MonkeyLaugh:: Make Klaas,San,2j,and Nut work a little harder! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 12, 2009, 09:05:26 PM
Was the "countdown to arrest Clock" reset this week?  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 12, 2009, 10:10:06 PM
Was the "countdown to arrest Clock" reset this week?  ::MonkeyRoll::
  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 12, 2009, 10:50:50 PM
Was the "countdown to arrest Clock" reset this week?  ::MonkeyRoll::

found these while looking back...

Caps-9/20/08
"Some Friend" was with Lorenzo the whole night.
That leave this question open "who said that thy were with lorenzo"
Find him and you got the "Guy"
The "Boy" we know already
My bet "Max Arendz

Caps -11/15/08

Hi to all Monkey Friends,

I am not MIA but in a Mission, a Lot of loose ends has been tied now and ends that were false has been cleared,

1. Cover for Daddy. He is now blackmailing Daddy for Money. Daddy is in a locked checkmate.
On the Night in Question, after all was over,

2. Their decision after no solution was found on how to get rid of the body, Joran begin to cut it in peaces,
part of the body was trown near the shark area.

3. The rest was burried in several location.

4. the pond is also a burial place and the part of the body is in the pond with the sneaker......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 12, 2009, 11:21:44 PM
Posted by BUCKSHOT on: November 20, 2008, 01:55:21 PM

ocean exploration,
(1) do you feel that the work done during the search was tampered with by locals and/or law enforcement that prevented a true and honest search as suggested by most monkeys?
(2) were samples eventually shipped off to the FBI? were they true samples or tampered samples?
buckshot


Posted by oceanexploration on: November 20, 2008, 02:49:57 PM

Buckshot, in the event "what I feel" differs from "what I know to be provable and true", I'll have to obstain from answering your question directly.  I will say the FBI report to Mos which Mos publicly stated in verbatum, said exactly what the FBI were invited to accomplish.  The FBI report and therefore Mos's report was accurate regarding the samples.  As to what the samples were, I cannot comment because I in fact do not know what was sampled. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 12, 2009, 11:24:49 PM
Posted by oceanexploration on: April 08, 2008, 04:10:31 PM

Greetings all.  I don't have time to read through 50 pages of thread.  In a nutshell, anything new or directed at myself or the search team?

Thanks!


Guilty conscience ???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 12, 2009, 11:52:22 PM
Hello Monkeys :)
Hope everyone is well...
Been lurking/reading and infrequently posting over the last couple months, and have been trying to wrap my arms around everything I've read/imagined/gleamed over that period.
Looks to me that Caps is most likely a diversion along with the group from the "special" forum, intentional or not...some intentional, some just suckered in and fed a line....
Kermit and the freebirds spent alot of time with kyle and came to the conclusion that something wasn't right with the way kyle handled/mishandled potential persistence evidence..
I got to go with Kermit and the freebirds.....all the rest doesn't pass the smell test imo...
Where do we go from here after the mos (pos) press release? aruba isn't going to give anything up....they obviously are going to stick to the coverup......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 12, 2009, 11:58:11 PM
Posted by oxeanexploration on: March 20, 2008, 01:52:31 PM
PE - What you are describing isn't entirely accurate and I'm unaware of denim, but am glad to help straighten things out for you.  It's best to go to the original data rather than some poor quality screen shots.  

Posted by oxeanexploration on: March 20, 2008, 01:32:37 PM
Private Eye,
Please email me to discuss this further, not in the forum thanks!

Posted by oxeanexploration on: March 20, 2008, 01:35:05 PM
I don't think I said anything about the type of fabric sampled from the trap in the forum.  I'm not sure where this came from.  In any case, PE please email me to discuss.  

Interesting...





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 13, 2009, 12:00:27 AM
Posted by oceanexploration on: April 08, 2008, 04:10:31 PM

Greetings all.  I don't have time to read through 50 pages of thread.  In a nutshell, anything new or directed at myself or the search team?

Thanks!


Guilty conscience ???
That would be my guess....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 13, 2009, 12:01:22 AM
On the issue of Trap recovery:

-After the visual inspection on 30-Dec, the initial plan discussed by the project leads and Aruban police was for us (the team on board the Persistence) to be directly involved in the recovery of the trap.  There were talks about getting the proper equipment on board the Persistence such as a suction-recovery system to sift small items from the sand.  The talks continued after Jan-7th when the samples were collected.

-Just after the 30th of Dec we were told it would take about 10-14 days to bring in a Dutch team capable of processing an underwater site. 

-Jan 9th through 13th I was off the boat and staying at the Holiday Inn for a much-needed break.  I walked up and down the beach many times a day.  On the 11th and 12th, I noticed the Dutch coast guard vessel at or VERY near the trap site.  I talked to a wind surfer instructor who claims to be at the beach every day for 8 years.  He said the boat always comes up the shore just south of where we were standing, turns away and heads offshore.  He said it never goes where it was and has never seen it stop.  The vessel was on that spot for 42 minutes that day and about the same duration the next day.  I triangulated it's position the best I could using a wrist watch and a few points on land.  It was right on the target location based on the measurements.

-When I returned to the Persistence (14-Jan) there were no more talks about a trap recovery.  When I pressed the issue, I was told "they're no longer interested in the trap or it's recovery".

-I raised the issue again in early February and the response was the same - no interest about the trap and no plans to recover.

I assume one of three scenarios: 1) They genuinely aren't interested in the trap, 2) They are/were interested and will take care of it themselves (or have already done so) and don't want us informed or involved, or 3) They already recovered the trap (or processed the site) and don't want us to know for whatever reason, good or otherwise.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 13, 2009, 12:03:01 AM

Posted by oeceanexploration on: March 18, 2008, 12:22:38 PM  
On the issue of Trap recovery:

-After the visual inspection on 30-Dec, the initial plan discussed by the project leads and Aruban police was for us (the team on board the Persistence) to be directly involved in the recovery of the trap.  There were talks about getting the proper equipment on board the Persistence such as a suction-recovery system to sift small items from the sand.  The talks continued after Jan-7th when the samples were collected.

-Just after the 30th of Dec we were told it would take about 10-14 days to bring in a Dutch team capable of processing an underwater site. 

-Jan 9th through 13th I was off the boat and staying at the Holiday Inn for a much-needed break.  I walked up and down the beach many times a day.  On the 11th and 12th, I noticed the Dutch coast guard vessel at or VERY near the trap site.  I talked to a wind surfer instructor who claims to be at the beach every day for 8 years.  He said the boat always comes up the shore just south of where we were standing, turns away and heads offshore.  He said it never goes where it was and has never seen it stop.  The vessel was on that spot for 42 minutes that day and about the same duration the next day.  I triangulated it's position the best I could using a wrist watch and a few points on land.  It was right on the target location based on the measurements.

-When I returned to the Persistence (14-Jan) there were no more talks about a trap recovery.  When I pressed the issue, I was told "they're no longer interested in the trap or it's recovery".

-I raised the issue again in early February and the response was the same - no interest about the trap and no plans to recover.

I assume one of three scenarios: 1) They genuinely aren't interested in the trap, 2) They are/were interested and will take care of it themselves (or have already done so) and don't want us informed or involved, or 3) They already recovered the trap (or processed the site) and don't want us to know for whatever reason, good or otherwise.

Correction


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 13, 2009, 12:15:32 AM
What has me confused:
From Dateline:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."

If it wasn't for the posts above, I would lean towards kyle with backing from john/louis perhaps trying to scam TV producers in paying lots of money to them for video of Natalee's remains.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 13, 2009, 12:15:49 AM
Posted by oceanexploration on: November 20, 2008, 06:10:15 PM

I haven't seen Kermit post anything untrue presented as factual.  He's expressed his opinion, been taken out of context and misunderstood a few times, but he's pretty spot on as far as facts are concerned.    

Nice to see oceanexploration agrees with and trusts Kermit's credibility...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 13, 2009, 12:21:23 AM
What has me confused:
From Dateline:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."

If it wasn't for the posts above, I would lean towards kyle with backing from john/louis perhaps trying to scam TV producers in paying lots of money to them for video of Natalee's remains.
Anyone think it is possible that kyle was running a scam trying to create interest in potentially incriminating ROV video/photos AFTER Tim was banned from the persistence? After all, Tim (as far as we know) never got a closer look at the contents of the cage...Was kyle trying to take advantage of Tim's comment?
Without having the contents of the caged revealed and processed for evidence, we will never know....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 13, 2009, 12:30:15 AM
Posted by oceanexploration on: November 20, 2008, 06:10:15 PM

I haven't seen Kermit post anything untrue presented as factual.  He's expressed his opinion, been taken out of context and misunderstood a few times, but he's pretty spot on as far as facts are concerned.    

Nice to see oceanexploration agrees with and trusts Kermit's credibility...

I agree 100% in Kermit and the Freebirds exposing the photos/ROV video and alerting Beth, JQK, FBI to there existence.
What we THINK we see and what ACTUALLY is in the cage, has not been collaborated as being ANYTHING until the contents are processed and identified.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 13, 2009, 12:32:39 AM
Just throwing things out there...anyone care to comment?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 13, 2009, 12:33:52 AM
Goodnight private eye, 2NJSons_Mom, BUCKSHOT, Chata, texasmom, klaasend, Magnolia, hotping, Mere, ospainter, Artcolley, wreck and 8 Guests are viewing this topic.
billb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2009, 12:34:05 AM
What has me confused:
From Dateline:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."

If it wasn't for the posts above, I would lean towards kyle with backing from john/louis perhaps trying to scam TV producers in paying lots of money to them for video of Natalee's remains.
Anyone think it is possible that kyle was running a scam trying to create interest in potentially incriminating ROV video/photos AFTER Tim was banned from the persistence? After all, Tim (as far as we know) never got a closer look at the contents of the cage...Was kyle trying to take advantage of Tim's comment?
Without having the contents of the caged revealed and processed for evidence, we will never know....

Possible


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 13, 2009, 12:36:39 AM
Can't go without saying Hi to TM...... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 12:38:01 AM
Goodnight private eye, 2NJSons_Mom, BUCKSHOT, Chata, texasmom, klaasend, Magnolia, hotping, Mere, ospainter, Artcolley, wreck and 8 Guests are viewing this topic.
billb

billb, so good to see you!  I have been sitting here trying to decide WHAT to say...  Many good points, just so much going on in my mind right now about ALL of this I haven't found the words.  I do tend to believe right now that you are correct about a lot of what you've said tonight.  Thanks for putting your thoughts out there.

tm

 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 12:41:35 AM
Can't go without saying Hi to TM...... ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks!  I hope to see you again soon! 

Goodnight billb!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 13, 2009, 12:42:10 AM
What has me confused:
From Dateline:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."

If it wasn't for the posts above, I would lean towards kyle with backing from john/louis perhaps trying to scam TV producers in paying lots of money to them for video of Natalee's remains.
Anyone think it is possible that kyle was running a scam trying to create interest in potentially incriminating ROV video/photos AFTER Tim was banned from the persistence? After all, Tim (as far as we know) never got a closer look at the contents of the cage...Was kyle trying to take advantage of Tim's comment?
Without having the contents of the caged revealed and processed for evidence, we will never know....

After Tim Miller's statement, Tim Trahan gave the thumbs down signal on
the contents of the cage and then Tim Miller was removed from the ship.
When we see the bagged contents of the cage that the Aruban
divers took on Jan 7th, there are obviously human bones.  Why bother to
bag things that were of no interest?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 13, 2009, 12:42:38 AM
OK...I'll post a thought...
kyle's apparent motivation is/was money....which really pisses me off .....they were advertised as being there for Natalee.....AND they solicited public contributions for same.....shame on them if that is not the case (Persitence being there for Natalee).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 13, 2009, 12:43:30 AM
Private Eye -

Without mentioning names, a few have insinuated Beth and family being made aware of the photos, which appear to resemble that of a skull, along with others of ziplock type bags. Additionally, there has also been mention of a blue fabric found in the cage.

It is also common opinion that some strange coincidences occurred during the Persistence endeavor, to include: (1) a police boat/coast guard vessel hovering near the site, possibly recovering the contents of the cage in secrecy, (2) ALE sending wrong contents to FBI, for testing, (3) Kyle, Silvetti, and Trahan engaging in questionable behavior, (4) CLW possibly being a distractor, and (5) Dave, Tim Miller being pulled away from the boat during this time period for various reasons.

What is the opinion of the family regarding these matters. Would be nice to hear it from the horses mouth so as to clarify whether Beth and family have dismissed it as being fantasy and/or irrelevant thinking/train of thought.

BUCKSHOT

Do you think this case has the potential to be solved. If so, what is your opinion on current status and game plan for accomplishing the outcome that probably should have happened years ago?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 13, 2009, 12:45:58 AM
What has me confused:
From Dateline:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."

If it wasn't for the posts above, I would lean towards kyle with backing from john/louis perhaps trying to scam TV producers in paying lots of money to them for video of Natalee's remains.
Anyone think it is possible that kyle was running a scam trying to create interest in potentially incriminating ROV video/photos AFTER Tim was banned from the persistence? After all, Tim (as far as we know) never got a closer look at the contents of the cage...Was kyle trying to take advantage of Tim's comment?
Without having the contents of the caged revealed and processed for evidence, we will never know....

After Tim Miller's statement, Tim Trahan gave the thumbs down signal on
the contents of the cage and then Tim Miller was removed from the ship.
When we see the bagged contents of the cage that the Aruban
divers took on Jan 7th, there are obviously human bones.  Why bother to
bag things that were of no interest?
Just being devils advocate: A possibility.....aruba (divers/authorities) were in on fortifying kyle's/john/louis scam and/or persistence divers planted the baggies (again, for financial gain).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 12:48:03 AM
OK...I'll post a thought...
kyle's apparent motivation is/was money....which really pisses me off .....they were advertised as being there for Natalee.....AND they solicited public contributions for same.....shame on them if that is not the case (Persitence being there for Natalee).

THANK YOU!!!!  My sentiments exactly! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 13, 2009, 12:53:14 AM
OK...I'll post a thought...
kyle's apparent motivation is/was money....which really pisses me off .....they were advertised as being there for Natalee.....AND they solicited public contributions for same.....shame on them if that is not the case (Persitence being there for Natalee).

I agree billb.  It was a boat load of pirates and American pirates at that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 01:05:02 AM
OK...I'll post a thought...
kyle's apparent motivation is/was money....which really pisses me off .....they were advertised as being there for Natalee.....AND they solicited public contributions for same.....shame on them if that is not the case (Persitence being there for Natalee).

THANK YOU!!!!  My sentiments exactly! 

The money part of it is not even what burns me up the worst about this.  Yes, I donated more than once, and did everything I could think of to help them get funding.  If it was a scam, the money's not the worst part to me.  It's the part of them leading us all to believe they were American Heroes; something you don't see often these days...but something that we all wanted to believe existed for Natalee.  Natalee deserves heroes...her family deserves heroes.  She deserves the answers to be found and to be brought home.  Her family deserves it too.  That's the part that makes me want to cry....and cuss!
 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 13, 2009, 01:20:07 AM
OK...I'll post a thought...
kyle's apparent motivation is/was money....which really pisses me off .....they were advertised as being there for Natalee.....AND they solicited public contributions for same.....shame on them if that is not the case (Persitence being there for Natalee).

THANK YOU!!!!  My sentiments exactly! 

The money part of it is not even what burns me up the worst about this.  Yes, I donated more than once, and did everything I could think of to help them get funding.  If it was a scam, the money's not the worst part to me.  It's the part of them leading us all to believe they were American Heroes; something you don't see often these days...but something that we all wanted to believe existed for Natalee.  Natalee deserves heroes...her family deserves heroes.  She deserves the answers to be found and to be brought home.  Her family deserves it too.  That's the part that makes me want to cry....and cuss!
 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
Me Too TM! Its Just Unbelievable what They did too all of Us that donated money and what They led Natalee's Family to believe that They were going to Aruba for.....Unbelievable!  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 13, 2009, 01:25:41 AM
OK...I'll post a thought...
kyle's apparent motivation is/was money....which really pisses me off .....they were advertised as being there for Natalee.....AND they solicited public contributions for same.....shame on them if that is not the case (Persitence being there for Natalee).

I agree billb.  It was a boat load of pirates and American pirates at that.
Mags...Kermit got it right (and freebirds) by coming forward to expose what kyle was posting...
But I gotta say now, I'm leaning towards kyle & co. trying to scam for big bucks, along with or without aruba help wrt the photos/ROV images that we have seen.
At least I hope that is true, because if Natalee's remains were in that cage, that coverup is complete by aruba diver's recovering the contents of the cage. End of that phase.....
but IF that was a (pathetic)  scam...it does not matter...
I'm looking for Justice for Natalee:
1. JQK pressuring aruba/holland/international authorities to follow the human trafficking allegations urine made with greta and/or
2. Beth's civil case moving forward 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 13, 2009, 01:30:18 AM
Good Night Monkeys...This Monkey is Very Tired and I'm going to hit the Monkey Bunkey! All this BS is Very Stressful...I Can only Imagine what Natalee's Family is going Through......God Bless Us All!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 13, 2009, 01:31:27 AM
OK...I'll post a thought...
kyle's apparent motivation is/was money....which really pisses me off .....they were advertised as being there for Natalee.....AND they solicited public contributions for same.....shame on them if that is not the case (Persitence being there for Natalee).

I agree billb.  It was a boat load of pirates and American pirates at that.
Mags...Kermit got it right (and freebirds) by coming forward to expose what kyle was posting...
But I gotta say now, I'm leaning towards kyle & co. trying to scam for big bucks, along with or without aruba help wrt the photos/ROV images that we have seen.
At least I hope that is true, because if Natalee's remains were in that cage, that coverup is complete by aruba diver's recovering the contents of the cage. End of that phase.....
but IF that was a (pathetic)  scam...it does not matter...
I'm looking for Justice for Natalee:
1. JQK pressuring aruba/holland/international authorities to follow the human trafficking allegations urine made with greta and/or
2. Beth's civil case moving forward 
Nothing will come of an investigation of the investigation.....
I HATE THEM ALL>>> (credit to Robots...the old guy) .... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 01:35:26 AM
Good Night Monkeys...This Monkey is Very Tired and I'm going to hit the Monkey Bunkey! All this BS is Very Stressful...I Can only Imagine what Natalee's Family is going Through......God Bless Us All!

Goodnight Hotping!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 01:53:30 AM
OK...I'll post a thought...
kyle's apparent motivation is/was money....which really pisses me off .....they were advertised as being there for Natalee.....AND they solicited public contributions for same.....shame on them if that is not the case (Persitence being there for Natalee).

I agree billb.  It was a boat load of pirates and American pirates at that.
Mags...Kermit got it right (and freebirds) by coming forward to expose what kyle was posting...
But I gotta say now, I'm leaning towards kyle & co. trying to scam for big bucks, along with or without aruba help wrt the photos/ROV images that we have seen.
At least I hope that is true, because if Natalee's remains were in that cage, that coverup is complete by aruba diver's recovering the contents of the cage. End of that phase.....
but IF that was a (pathetic)  scam...it does not matter...
I'm looking for Justice for Natalee:
1. JQK pressuring aruba/holland/international authorities to follow the human trafficking allegations urine made with greta and/or
2. Beth's civil case moving forward 
Nothing will come of an investigation of the investigation.....
I HATE THEM ALL>>> (credit to Robots...the old guy) .... ::MonkeyCool::

Me too billb!

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/crazybabyborgsRobots.gif) :smt049


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 02:08:23 AM
Buckshot,
I appreciate your posts tonight.  I too have been reading everything again...and some that you have posted are ones that I have found to be very thought provoking.  I hope PI will answer your questions, I think we all would love to hear from him. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 02:12:36 AM
What has me confused:
From Dateline:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."

If it wasn't for the posts above, I would lean towards kyle with backing from john/louis perhaps trying to scam TV producers in paying lots of money to them for video of Natalee's remains.
Anyone think it is possible that kyle was running a scam trying to create interest in potentially incriminating ROV video/photos AFTER Tim was banned from the persistence? After all, Tim (as far as we know) never got a closer look at the contents of the cage...Was kyle trying to take advantage of Tim's comment?
Without having the contents of the caged revealed and processed for evidence, we will never know....

After Tim Miller's statement, Tim Trahan gave the thumbs down signal on
the contents of the cage and then Tim Miller was removed from the ship.
When we see the bagged contents of the cage that the Aruban
divers took on Jan 7th, there are obviously human bones.  Why bother to
bag things that were of no interest?

I can't get past that either Magnolia.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 02:19:48 AM



o.k. guess I'll quit talking to myself.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 02:34:39 AM
On a sad note from Aruba.  Young 23 year old father who was one of the first traffic fatalities of the new year.  He was part of an ambulance crew from my understanding.  My condolences to his family, coworkers, and friends.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/01132009AweMaintaFP.jpg)

Earlier report of the accident:

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=171:dos-morto-den-trafico-den-menos-di-24-ora&catid=11:local&Itemid=56


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 02:48:41 AM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/NataleeSoBeautifl.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Hotshot on January 13, 2009, 06:55:09 AM
Magnolia

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

I am just catching up now, and need to go to work.  But for those of you who think CAPS is a diversion, you are soooooo sadley mistaken.  Its too bad you cant keep on the subject of trying to find Natalee.  Seems that you don't have anything better to do with your time but to "down" the people who are trying to get out there and help.  And you wonder why CAPS wont come here and talk or answer questions.  Sorry, not a drive by, I just have to go to work. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Hotshot on January 13, 2009, 07:04:13 AM
klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 13, 2009, 08:59:29 AM
Magnolia

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

Now I am ready for the flames but be gentle. As far as that bag-there is no way I can see Natalee or anyone in the photos of the bag, what's more- there is no way anyone would have stashed a body-even for a short period of time-even if they were as high as a kite in a drainage area so close to the road. that ditch is in a high traffic area both car and pedestrian, and I still don't believe it. Mangroves maybe, but not in a bag and then in the ditch and then in the mangroves or any combination there of.


BB your not going to get flamed , you see it or you don't.I can't explain it
 When I first found it I took it to my Dr  I said tell me what you see.
OMG this is a fresh dead girl Natalee that's missing from Aruba how did you get this?
A very good place to hide something is in plain view.
 When I called the FBI all I said did you get the pictures he said YES do you see what I see .

He said YES this is that very high profile case from Aruba.
We will call you right back.

Now I can't say it 100% NATALEE because things just don't add up, but DAM it sure looks like her to me and a few other poeple as to how when I don't get it.
Is it  Unexplained Mystery,Phenomena, a sign .
But I see her face
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Video%2024/IthinkitsNat-1.jpg)
An alive Natalee

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Video%2024/nh30.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2009, 09:59:53 AM
For Rob to add to his van photos:  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.awe24.com/

(http://www.awe24.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JAN_2009/13_jan_polis_atento_den_playa__Small_.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 13, 2009, 10:16:21 AM
thanks bleached and klaas for that correction.

So how old is Val now?

Sad to note the continued lack of parenting and control by Anita and Paulus.



Oh cripes you want to see lack of parenting.......this is Sebastian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88NeEHBD1ao&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE2X3qfei8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enwg39Zjf_c&feature=channel_page
Anyone else think that Sebastian is acting out in these ways because He knows what His Daddy and Big Brother did to Natalee....I for on think that Sebastian and Valenjin know exactly what happened that night.....Poor Sebastian has probably been told Oh no that's not what You saw....and don't You dare talk to anyone about what You think You saw or heard......Just keep it to Yourself....therefore He acts out in other ways......Just some thoughts that I have had.....Poor Kid.....He can't tell the truth because He will get in trouble......Probably makes Him feel like blowing things up and so forth..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: It would be interesting to hear what He has to say if We could just talk to Him.....Just like Joran He probably knows lots of things about His Father but has always been told to lie.....so now He just lies all the time....or almost all the time.....There is always alittle truth in every lie......These are JMO....  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 13, 2009, 10:22:50 AM
I do not understand how we go from viewing a plastic bag in a video, to a viewable body
with rats crawling around.. this technology I do not understand. So although in some of the photos it does appear to be a human body with all the disinformation I tend to hold back. As far as saying that is Natalee.. I am really apprehensive about that..

Can somebody please explain how the body images were created ?

Thank You.

P.S. Did the F.B.I. confirm anything on this find ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2009, 11:30:38 AM
   
Tuesday, January 13, 2009
Venezuela worries Aruba
Anton Foek THE WASHINGTON TIMES
ORANJESTAD, Aruba

On a clear day, one can easily see Venezuela from the southern part of this tiny Dutch Caribbean island - and its flaming towers drilling for oil and gas.

Russia and Venezuela recently began a joint drilling project in the waters bordering Aruba. The government of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez claims 28 fields holding an estimated 27 trillion cubic meters of natural gas.

A Russian consortium that includes the state-owned Gazprom is exploring five fields. One of them - Cardon 3 - is less than 14 miles away from Aruba.

The project is causing concern in Aruba and the Netherlands, which is responsible for Aruba's foreign affairs, because Venezuela did not inform either in advance of its plans, thereby violating an agreement signed in 1971 and ratified in 1986.

"They do not really need to ask us for approvals or permission to drill, but needed to inform us," said Jocelyne Croes, a political minister at the Dutch Embassy in Washington. "We signed a treaty about that, and now they are generating new frictions in situations that used to be under control."

Mr. Chavez announced recently that Russia and Venezuela are "strategic partners" in oil and gas exploration. Speaking on television from a drilling platform in the Gulf of Venezuela, he said the exploration was "an act of sovereignty, as we are liberated from the evil Yankee imperialism."

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin smiled as the Venezuelan leader spoke.

Mr. Sechin said five of Russia's largest energy companies have taken a 20 percent stake in a national consortium formed to explore another oil-rich area, Venezuela's Orinoco River basin. Petroleos de Venezuela SA will have the controlling stake in the project.

Since World War II, when Aruba started to refine Venezuelan heavy crude, Venezuela has claimed possession of the Dutch Caribbean islands. Some here fear that the government of Mr. Chavez might invade the Netherlands Antilles and take possession of the islands.

"One never knows," said Rudy Lampe, a member of the Aruban parliament and president of the RED political party. "No one knows if or when, but there is a distinct possibility they may invade."

The Venezuelan Embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment

Though few in this region seem to take Venezuela's claim seriously, it remains a topic of conversation on the island.

Augustine Vrolijk, director of Aruba's foreign affairs office in the capital, Oranjestad, told The Washington Times that a bigger fear is that drilling in the Gulf of Venezuela could lead to an environmental mishap, which would have dire consequences for Aruba's tourism industry.

"Of course we are concerned, maybe not so much for a direct and open invasion but certainly for our future. If anything in that order happens, it happens to the Kingdom of the Netherlands, backed by several treaties with the U.S.," he said.

Randall Croes, an Aruban economist who lived in Venezuela for 18 years, said, "No one can take Hugo Chavez seriously."

"He is a Machiavellian prince, looking to build goodwill in political and economic harsh times and manipulate his electorate for the upcoming referendum, using a streamlined pubic relations machine to hide real domestic problems with big international issues. He also has a lot of money but a 66 percent inflation over the past 12 months and no job markets for the unemployed in his country," he added.

Mr. Chavez has become an outspoken foe of the U.S. The socialist leader expelled the U.S. ambassador in Caracas in September and repeatedly has accused President Bush of plotting to overthrow his government.

Venezuela is the fourth-biggest supplier of oil to the United States.

Ben Bot, former Dutch minister of foreign affairs, and the present foreign minister, Maxime Verhagen, have said in television interviews that Venezuela should not go too far in provoking other countries and should stick to signed treaties.

Mr. Chavez says he is aware of his limitation. "My country's northern borders are with the Netherlands," he said recently.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/13/venezuela-worries-aruba/print/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 13, 2009, 12:15:39 PM
Very Interesting!  Thanks 2NJ!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 12:23:44 PM
HotShot.

Per CapsLockWizard's own words.
"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."

That was posted on Friday,January 2nd.We're now coming close to 2 weeks later with no arrest.Any answers as to why?TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 12:26:46 PM
Good Morning to all Monkey's! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 13, 2009, 12:35:29 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 12:38:59 PM
(http://deephousepage.com/smilies/listen.gif) (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/whistle.gif)


 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 01:28:10 PM
Now this one is very interesting................shows HotShot knew Shaefer way back when.

But - we know part of this is incorrect - it was never the Persistence until last minute -and certainly not back in 2006


HotShot:

Hotshot's post:


Quote
snip:  I personally have met with Tim, and Shaefer way back in Jan of 2006 back when they were trying to get things going with the Persistence, and getting the OK to go to Aruban waters.  It was several of us that met with them.  So its not like they lost their monies back in 2006 and waited till almost 2008 to scan for oil, etc....  They were waiting to get the OK from Aruba.  And we all know how long they can take.  Schafer is a Seaman, John is not.  Tim is not, he helps in anyway he can to search for the missing, and if that means on a ship, then so be it.  Either way here, it all comes down to one girl, and that is Natalee, they all came together for Natalee.  Not themselves.  There is always one bad apple in a group, I am not saying that "there was", but IF pics were truly going to be sold for his own purpose "other then the film crew that were on the boat", then shame on him.  I just really don't want to think that is true. 

I'd like to know if Tim Miller contacted Louis Shaefer or if Louis Shaefer contacted Tim Miller.

texasmom ... I could be wrong but ... I believe the following quote implies that Louis Shaefer contacted Dave Holloway and ... then Dave Holloway contacted Tim Miller.  Tim Miller does not say anything about Louis Saefer contacting him.

Janet

+++++++

FOX ONLINE - JAMIE COLBY
July 15, 2007


COLBY:  Tim, why are they (Arubans) standing in your way?

MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 01:29:57 PM
Good Morning to all Monkey's! ::MonkeyDance::


Good Morning Keepthefaith.

Just catching up.

Janet
10:30 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 01:31:44 PM
Now this one is very interesting................shows HotShot knew Shaefer way back when.

But - we know part of this is incorrect - it was never the Persistence until last minute -and certainly not back in 2006


HotShot:

Hotshot's post:


Quote
snip:  I personally have met with Tim, and Shaefer way back in Jan of 2006 back when they were trying to get things going with the Persistence, and getting the OK to go to Aruban waters.  It was several of us that met with them.  So its not like they lost their monies back in 2006 and waited till almost 2008 to scan for oil, etc....  They were waiting to get the OK from Aruba.  And we all know how long they can take.  Schafer is a Seaman, John is not.  Tim is not, he helps in anyway he can to search for the missing, and if that means on a ship, then so be it.  Either way here, it all comes down to one girl, and that is Natalee, they all came together for Natalee.  Not themselves.  There is always one bad apple in a group, I am not saying that "there was", but IF pics were truly going to be sold for his own purpose "other then the film crew that were on the boat", then shame on him.  I just really don't want to think that is true. 

I'd like to know if Tim Miller contacted Louis Shaefer or if Louis Shaefer contacted Tim Miller.

texasmom ... I could be wrong but ... I believe the following quote implies that Louis Shaefer contacted Dave Holloway and ... then Dave Holloway contacted Tim Miller.  Tim Miller does not say anything about Louis Saefer contacting him.

Janet

+++++++

FOX ONLINE - JAMIE COLBY
July 15, 2007


COLBY:  Tim, why are they (Arubans) standing in your way?

MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."

OOPS!

I just read that quote again and ... Tim Miller states that he was at the home of Louis Shaeffer when Shaeffer called Dave Holloway.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2009, 01:43:03 PM
Now this one is very interesting................shows HotShot knew Shaefer way back when.

But - we know part of this is incorrect - it was never the Persistence until last minute -and certainly not back in 2006


HotShot:

Hotshot's post:


Quote
snip:  I personally have met with Tim, and Shaefer way back in Jan of 2006 back when they were trying to get things going with the Persistence, and getting the OK to go to Aruban waters.  It was several of us that met with them.  So its not like they lost their monies back in 2006 and waited till almost 2008 to scan for oil, etc....  They were waiting to get the OK from Aruba.  And we all know how long they can take.  Schafer is a Seaman, John is not.  Tim is not, he helps in anyway he can to search for the missing, and if that means on a ship, then so be it.  Either way here, it all comes down to one girl, and that is Natalee, they all came together for Natalee.  Not themselves.  There is always one bad apple in a group, I am not saying that "there was", but IF pics were truly going to be sold for his own purpose "other then the film crew that were on the boat", then shame on him.  I just really don't want to think that is true. 

I'd like to know if Tim Miller contacted Louis Shaefer or if Louis Shaefer contacted Tim Miller.

texasmom ... I could be wrong but ... I believe the following quote implies that Louis Shaefer contacted Dave Holloway and ... then Dave Holloway contacted Tim Miller.  Tim Miller does not say anything about Louis Saefer contacting him.

Janet

+++++++

FOX ONLINE - JAMIE COLBY
July 15, 2007


COLBY:  Tim, why are they (Arubans) standing in your way?

MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."

OOPS!

I just read that quote again and ... Tim Miller states that he was at the home of Louis Shaeffer when Shaeffer called Dave Holloway.

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I was just reading your post and was about to comment on that. 

I'll go back to listening and whistling, like Nut44X4.....   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 01:46:43 PM
Magnolia

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta, I think this is huge."

Hotshot ... it is my contention that CAPS entering the scene had everything to do with distracting attention away the finale' of the great Aruban coverup ... the finale' of the great Aruban coverup which an "American" named John Silvetti participated.

Despicable!!

Janet

______


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle:   I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

+++++





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 01:51:28 PM

I'd like to know if Tim Miller contacted Louis Shaefer or if Louis Shaefer contacted Tim Miller.

texasmom ... I could be wrong but ... I believe the following quote implies that Louis Shaefer contacted Dave Holloway and ... then Dave Holloway contacted Tim Miller.  Tim Miller does not say anything about Louis Saefer contacting him.

Janet

+++++++

FOX ONLINE - JAMIE COLBY
July 15, 2007


COLBY:  Tim, why are they (Arubans) standing in your way?

MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."

OOPS!

I just read that quote again and ... Tim Miller states that he was at the home of Louis Shaeffer when Shaeffer called Dave Holloway.

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I was just reading your post and was about to comment on that. 

I'll go back to listening and whistling, like Nut44X4.....   ::MonkeyTongue::


I am not on the ball ... lack of sleep.  Hubby and I slept over at our daughter's home last night and ... I had a terrible night.  A different bed does it every time.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 01:56:39 PM
Magnolia

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta, I think this is huge."

Hotshot ... it is my contention that CAPS entering the scene had everything to do with distracting attention away the finale' of the great Aruban coverup ... the finale' of the great Aruban coverup which an "American" named John Silvetti participated.

Despicable!!

Janet

______


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle:   I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

+++++





If Caps is getting information from Clyde Burke,whom interviewed Paulus on a few occasions.I personally wouldn't trust Caps!JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Fox on January 13, 2009, 02:14:36 PM
klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal. 

Actually, you do have the burden of proof. From all accounts CAPS has been a distraction to the investigation. Provide us with any information that CAPS has added value to the investigation. The most recent account was there was a major player to be arrested last week...where did that lead us? I can only speak for myself, but I think there are a growing number of monkeys that are tiring of the "I know I am right, but I can't tell you how/why I am right...trust me!"

Kermit has proven to us that things were hinky with Kyle and had the burden of proof to allow us to make a decision on the validity of those facts. Why are you afraid of proving us wrong?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 02:15:59 PM
Magnolia

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta, I think this is huge."

Hotshot ... it is my contention that CAPS entering the scene had everything to do with distracting attention away the finale' of the great Aruban coverup ... the finale' of the great Aruban coverup which an "American" named John Silvetti participated.

Despicable!!

Janet

______


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle:   I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

+++++





If Caps is getting information from Clyde Burke,whom interviewed Paulus on a few occasions.  I personally wouldn't trust Caps! JMOO

The first CAPS' post I read on the Scared Monkey site ... I comprehended perfectly that CAPS had an Aruban agenda ... an Aruban agenda to distract with his cryptic clues that if interpreted correctly would led to the truth.  I articulated my thoughts and ... was shot down.  Two months later MumInOhio also articulated her thoughts ... thoughts that reflect mine.  However ... Mum is now a CAPS supporter.  Why?  What changed?  Have some Monkeys been enlightened while ... other are kept in the dark.  I sincerely want to know.

Janet

++++++

Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #450 on: January 02, 2009, 10:35:03 PM »


Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS.  You backed up ;your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed.  Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.

Mum ... it is so important to me.  I want to know what changed your position.
Sincerely, Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609481#msg609481


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #454 on: January 02, 2009, 11:06:23 PM
»

Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL

Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609545;topicseen#msg609545


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Fox on January 13, 2009, 02:16:41 PM
klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal. 


Actually, you do have the burden of proof. From all accounts CAPS has been a distraction to the investigation. Provide us with any information that CAPS has added value to the investigation. The most recent account was there was a major player to be arrested last week...where did that lead us? I can only speak for myself, but I think there are a growing number of monkeys that are tiring of the "I know I am right, but I can't tell you how/why I am right...trust me!"

Kermit has proven to us that things were hinky with Kyle and had the burden of proof to allow us to make a decision on the validity of those facts. Why are you afraid of proving us wrong?

Sorry...first post and all. =) Apologies.

edit...CAN'T tell you how/why


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 02:22:41 PM
klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal. 

Actually, you do have the burden of proof. From all accounts CAPS has been a distraction to the investigation. Provide us with any information that CAPS has added value to the investigation. The most recent account was there was a major player to be arrested last week...where did that lead us? I can only speak for myself, but I think there are a growing number of monkeys that are tiring of the "I know I am right, but I can't tell you how/why I am right...trust me!"

Kermit has proven to us that things were hinky with Kyle and had the burden of proof to allow us to make a decision on the validity of those facts. Why are you afraid of proving us wrong?

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 02:26:31 PM
Magnolia

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta, I think this is huge."

Hotshot ... it is my contention that CAPS entering the scene had everything to do with distracting attention away the finale' of the great Aruban coverup ... the finale' of the great Aruban coverup which an "American" named John Silvetti participated.

Despicable!!

Janet

______


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle:   I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

+++++





If Caps is getting information from Clyde Burke,whom interviewed Paulus on a few occasions.  I personally wouldn't trust Caps! JMOO

The first CAPS' post I read on the Scared Monkey site ... I comprehended perfectly that CAPS had an Aruban agenda ... an Aruban agenda to distract with his cryptic clues that if interpreted correctly would led to the truth.  I articulated my thoughts and ... was shot down.  Two months later MumInOhio also articulated her thoughts ... thoughts that reflect mine.  However ... Mum is now a CAPS supporter.  Why?  What changed?  Have some Monkeys been enlightened while ... other are kept in the dark.  I sincerely want to know.

Janet

++++++

Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #450 on: January 02, 2009, 10:35:03 PM »


Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS.  You backed up ;your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed.  Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.

Mum ... it is so important to me.  I want to know what changed your position.
Sincerely, Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609481#msg609481


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #454 on: January 02, 2009, 11:06:23 PM
»

Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL

Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609545;topicseen#msg609545


How can one Trust CapsLockWizard?I've also read that there are another two witnesses that were supposed to come forward.I personally haven't seen it happen yet!Major arrest's,more witnesses.What's the hold up?It's been almost 4 years. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2009, 02:30:48 PM
klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal. 


Actually, you do have the burden of proof. From all accounts CAPS has been a distraction to the investigation. Provide us with any information that CAPS has added value to the investigation. The most recent account was there was a major player to be arrested last week...where did that lead us? I can only speak for myself, but I think there are a growing number of monkeys that are tiring of the "I know I am right, but I can't tell you how/why I am right...trust me!"

Kermit has proven to us that things were hinky with Kyle and had the burden of proof to allow us to make a decision on the validity of those facts. Why are you afraid of proving us wrong?

Sorry...first post and all. =) Apologies.

edit...CAN'T tell you how/why

WELCOME, Fox!!!!

Fixed that for you.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2009, 02:41:25 PM
Welcome FOX!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 13, 2009, 02:44:55 PM
Fox, our Kermit (the frog) has gender issues.  Just want to make sure that your don't.  Fox as in girl, right? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Fox on January 13, 2009, 02:51:55 PM
Fox, our Kermit (the frog) has gender issues.  Just want to make sure that your don't.  Fox as in girl, right? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks for all the welcomes! I am a male fox.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Fox on January 13, 2009, 02:54:26 PM
klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal. 


Actually, you do have the burden of proof. From all accounts CAPS has been a distraction to the investigation. Provide us with any information that CAPS has added value to the investigation. The most recent account was there was a major player to be arrested last week...where did that lead us? I can only speak for myself, but I think there are a growing number of monkeys that are tiring of the "I know I am right, but I can't tell you how/why I am right...trust me!"

Kermit has proven to us that things were hinky with Kyle and had the burden of proof to allow us to make a decision on the validity of those facts. Why are you afraid of proving us wrong?

Sorry...first post and all. =) Apologies.

edit...CAN'T tell you how/why

WELCOME, Fox!!!!

Fixed that for you.   ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks 2NJ...guess I have reading too many of Janet's posts.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 02:56:13 PM
klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal. 


Actually, you do have the burden of proof. From all accounts CAPS has been a distraction to the investigation. Provide us with any information that CAPS has added value to the investigation. The most recent account was there was a major player to be arrested last week...where did that lead us? I can only speak for myself, but I think there are a growing number of monkeys that are tiring of the "I know I am right, but I can't tell you how/why I am right...trust me!"

Kermit has proven to us that things were hinky with Kyle and had the burden of proof to allow us to make a decision on the validity of those facts. Why are you afraid of proving us wrong?

Sorry...first post and all. =) Apologies.

edit...CAN'T tell you how/why

WELCOME, Fox!!!!

Fixed that for you.   ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks 2NJ...guess I have reading too many of Janet's posts.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 13, 2009, 02:58:46 PM
klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal. 


Actually, you do have the burden of proof. From all accounts CAPS has been a distraction to the investigation. Provide us with any information that CAPS has added value to the investigation. The most recent account was there was a major player to be arrested last week...where did that lead us? I can only speak for myself, but I think there are a growing number of monkeys that are tiring of the "I know I am right, but I can't tell you how/why I am right...trust me!"

Kermit has proven to us that things were hinky with Kyle and had the burden of proof to allow us to make a decision on the validity of those facts. Why are you afraid of proving us wrong?

Sorry...first post and all. =) Apologies.

edit...CAN'T tell you how/why

WELCOME, Fox!!!!

Fixed that for you.   ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks 2NJ...guess I have reading too many of Janet's posts.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Ree on January 13, 2009, 02:59:57 PM
Kermit with boobs and a fox with ugggghhhhhhh ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Fox on January 13, 2009, 03:03:50 PM
Kermit with boobs and a fox with ugggghhhhhhh ::MonkeyConfused::

Sorry, my intention wasn't to add further animal (and their related sex) confusion - its a takeoff from my last name. Nickname, if you will.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 13, 2009, 03:14:18 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Welcome Fox,

I became somewhat disenchanted with Caps when he made the post about "Beth's lies" as I do not believe that Beth has lied about anything nor does she have any reason to do so.  I don't think many other posters could have gotten away with saying that she did.

Then we were marched through a litany of wild theories, etc. and every time I would check back, there would be a totally new one so I just gave up posting and read them all with skepticism.

The latest non-event arrest is just one in a long series of things that never happened.

JMO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on January 13, 2009, 03:22:08 PM
Welcome Fox! I don't care what gender You are as long as You can help Us Bring Natalee Home!  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2009, 03:23:52 PM
Kermit with boobs and a fox with ugggghhhhhhh ::MonkeyConfused::

Sorry, my intention wasn't to add further animal (and their related sex) confusion - its a takeoff from my last name. Nickname, if you will.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/fox.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 03:24:46 PM
Magnolia

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

I am just catching up now, and need to go to work.  But for those of you who think CAPS is a diversion, you are soooooo sadley mistaken.  Its too bad you cant keep on the subject of trying to find Natalee.  Seems that you don't have anything better to do with your time but to "down" the people who are trying to get out there and help.  And you wonder why CAPS wont come here and talk or answer questions.  Sorry, not a drive by, I just have to go to work. 

Honest question Hotshot!What has CapsLockWizard accomplished since interjecting himself in this case?Has anyone been arrested?Do we have more answer's?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Fox on January 13, 2009, 03:24:48 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Welcome Fox,

I became somewhat disenchanted with Caps when he made the post about "Beth's lies" as I do not believe that Beth has lied about anything nor does she have any reason to do so.  I don't think many other posters could have gotten away with saying that she did.

Then we were marched through a litany of wild theories, etc. and every time I would check back, there would be a totally new one so I just gave up posting and read them all with skepticism.

The latest non-event arrest is just one in a long series of things that never happened.

JMO



Good Afternoon Anna

I agree. As thorough as the monkeys are...a wild goose chase will tend to occupy valuable time that could be spent on better leads.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Fox on January 13, 2009, 03:26:12 PM
Kermit with boobs and a fox with ugggghhhhhhh ::MonkeyConfused::

Sorry, my intention wasn't to add further animal (and their related sex) confusion - its a takeoff from my last name. Nickname, if you will.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/fox.jpg)

YES! I loveit!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 03:27:35 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Welcome Fox,

I became somewhat disenchanted with Caps when he made the post about "Beth's lies" as I do not believe that Beth has lied about anything nor does she have any reason to do so.  I don't think many other posters could have gotten away with saying that she did.

Then we were marched through a litany of wild theories, etc. and every time I would check back, there would be a totally new one so I just gave up posting and read them all with skepticism.

The latest non-event arrest is just one in a long series of things that never happened.

JMO



Good Afternoon Anna

I agree. As thorough as the monkeys are...a wild goose chase will tend to occupy valuable time that could be spent on better leads.


I would still like to know how the whole Persistence search got put together from beginning to end!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 13, 2009, 03:29:09 PM
If Natalee was in the trap, I have always wondered why the Arubans would have waited almost two years and not have removed her prior to the Persistence endeavor...

Does anyone have thoughts on this matter? Just curious...

Either way, there was, more than likely, something fishy (no pun intended) about the strange happenings during the time period of and after the search.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 13, 2009, 03:29:53 PM
I do not understand how we go from viewing a plastic bag in a video, to a viewable body
with rats crawling around.. this technology I do not understand. So although in some of the photos it does appear to be a human body with all the disinformation I tend to hold back. As far as saying that is Natalee.. I am really apprehensive about that..

Can somebody please explain how the body images were created ?

Thank You.

P.S. Did the F.B.I. confirm anything on this find ?

Edward I made a new thread for all to see how I got my picture.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4385.new#new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 13, 2009, 03:34:36 PM
If Natalee was in the trap, I have always wondered why the Arubans would have waited almost two years and not have removed her prior to the Persistence endeavor...

Does anyone have thoughts on this matter? Just curious...

Either way, there was, more than likely, something fishy (no pun intended) about the strange happenings during the time period of and after the search.

I agree with this because so many dive around Aruba and the trap is located fairly near to very popular diving spots.  Not the best location for making remains unfindable.  If any thing, it would tend to keep them together and somewhat protected.

And I have no clue what we can do to find out what was really in that trap. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 03:36:00 PM
If Natalee was in the trap, I have always wondered why the Arubans would have waited almost two years and not have removed her prior to the Persistence endeavor...

Does anyone have thoughts on this matter? Just curious...

Either way, there was, more than likely, something fishy (no pun intended) about the strange happenings during the time period of and after the search.

If Natalee was in that cage i hoenstly don't think they thought anyone would find it!JMOO.Read your posts Buckshot.Did the Persistence find Natalee and let ALE take the remains away or where they scamming!Either way it makes whomever involved very suspect to say the least!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 13, 2009, 03:39:20 PM
But why put her remains in a trap at all?  Why not just take them way far, far out into the ocean where they would be sure to never be found?  Why so close to the island?

And who put her there?  I don't think it was any of the Pimps but some adult commissioned likely by Paulus, if that was even Natalee.

It just seems very foolish to me to put remains in a trap just off shore when there is a whole big ocean out there.  Strange to say the least.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 03:43:42 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Welcome Fox,

I became somewhat disenchanted with Caps when he made the post about "Beth's lies" as I do not believe that Beth has lied about anything nor does she have any reason to do so.  I don't think many other posters could have gotten away with saying that she did.

Then we were marched through a litany of wild theories, etc. and every time I would check back, there would be a totally new one so I just gave up posting and read them all with skepticism.

The latest non-event arrest is just one in a long series of things that never happened.

JMO



Anna ... the first post I read of CAPS he was giving Dave Holloway  credit while deceptively  undermining Jug Twitty.  In a later post he was deceptively undermining Beth Holloway Twitty.  Yet ... some Monkeys chose to embrace CAPS every word.  An outright betrayal in Tamikosmom's world.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Also ... logic dictates that in January, 2008 ... almost three years into the investigation ... somebody who is going to be revered as in the know should be aware of the role that Jug Twitty played in the life of Natalee Holloway.

It appears that Reality and/or Mark Purcell (MIP6) are directly involved or ... lurking somewhere behind the scenes pulling some strings.  Take note that CAPS addresses Julia Renfro ... a friend of Mark Purcell ... a friend that is thisclose.

IMO

Janet

______


JANUARY, 2008

CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #384 on: January 27, 2008, 02:51:39 PM »


need to know 2 things

Did Natalee travel somewhere before he come to Aruba

and

and the parents tree   Natalee is the doughter of  -----  and --------- etc.

I know that probably Dave Holloway has notting to do with this Case but the Twitty

Wat is twitty to natalee?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332978;topicseen#msg332978


APRIL 1, 2008

CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #609 on: April 01, 2008, 03:15:49 AM »


my first question this morning around 9:30 was:

Why would beth lie about her being a virgin and who run with the story was fox news. where did they got the news from? I will answer Julia.

Why why would I lhype up something that was not true and now i need some one to run with it. that can colorabrorate and sustain my lie. My friend. who walk with me. both know it is not the true and that makes it like we say in Logic world,  NOT = NOT and that makes it a logic sense.

it can not be OR and can not be AND OR logic. do not compute.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg369749#msg369749



Sorry I got kicked out


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 03:52:36 PM
Blonde

Would you please edit my last post.

... he was giving Dave Holloway credit while ...

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 13, 2009, 03:52:53 PM
Yes, Janet, those are the two posts that I found offensive and strange.  So it was not just the Frog causing some of us to have serious doubts about the agenda being played out.  I also know that they do not list initials of suspects in reverse order.  Nor do I believe the Kalpoes parents own any apartments.  So there was a history of misinformation before this latest IMO.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 03:54:35 PM
Blonde

Would you please edit my last post.

... he was giving Dave Holloway credit while ...

Thanks

Janet

Also ..


... that Dave Holloway's friends Reality and/or Mark Purcell ...

Thanks

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 13, 2009, 03:57:39 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock4.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 13, 2009, 03:59:15 PM
I do not understand how we go from viewing a plastic bag in a video, to a viewable body
with rats crawling around.. this technology I do not understand. So although in some of the photos it does appear to be a human body with all the disinformation I tend to hold back. As far as saying that is Natalee.. I am really apprehensive about that..

Can somebody please explain how the body images were created ?

Thank You.

P.S. Did the F.B.I. confirm anything on this find ?

Edward I made a new thread for all to see how I got my picture.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4385.new#new


Thank You so much.  This will allow me and others to understand. :thumright:   
You are very kind.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 13, 2009, 04:13:37 PM
O/T It is snowing or sleeting or something here!   ::MonkeyShocked::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 13, 2009, 04:20:17 PM
Who first called Natalee a virgin.. Beth or Joran ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 13, 2009, 04:28:15 PM
O/T It is snowing or sleeting or something here!   ::MonkeyShocked::



I call that "slushing".

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: COLOMBO on January 13, 2009, 05:11:55 PM
Who first called Natalee a virgin.. Beth or Joran ?



wonder who the bidders are:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4222155/Student-auctions-off-virginity-for-offers-of-more-than-2.5-million.html






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 13, 2009, 05:14:35 PM
O/T It is snowing or sleeting or something here!   ::MonkeyShocked::



Unhook the hose from the outlet....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 13, 2009, 05:44:14 PM
Who first called Natalee a virgin.. Beth or Joran ?


wonder who the bidders are:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4222155/Student-auctions-off-virginity-for-offers-of-more-than-2.5-million.html


I had seen this in the news.. A strange world we live in..

Anyways my question is relative.
 In a Santeria ceremony ... In a time of war.
You would sacrifice a virgin girl of your enemy to gain power over your enemy.
You are sacrificing the girl to the Gods for this gift.

In today's Santeria the gods of the Shango religion are used.

I believe Hugo practices Santeria and his arch enemy is "US".
He uses Mr Bush as his object of hate.
He attacks us with the FARC produced cocaine who use indigenous south American Indian slaves to make the final product. The Dutch also distribute his ill produced product.
The FARC hold many kidnap victims.
It is not beyond comprehension that Joran was looking for a Virgin by request.
It would be a reason for a massive cover up as Hugo is such a political Hot Potato and the Dutch do a massive business in oil production inside of Venezuela.
You would also like to note that you will not find any Dutch citizens victims of kidnap or extortion even though they live and do business in Colombia Venezuela and Brazil each and every day.
Hugo Chavez had a party for FARC leaders just a few days after Natalee went missing.. She could have been used for this purpose.

That is why I asked the question.. Who called Natalee a virgin and when did that happen..
Was it Beth or Joran ?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 13, 2009, 05:47:45 PM
If one of the MB students told Joran Natalee was a virgin...
That could be the ticket.
That MB student would have done a total diservice to all of us if that student did not admit that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 13, 2009, 05:57:04 PM
Thank You Blonde I was able to reproduce your image from the video stills just as you had posted it..I did it in paint also which amazed me..lol
 Yet I am still curious because a long time ago somebody here had taken this image far beyond what you had posted and the images showed far more detail .. I remember talk of rats under the plastic..
Was that you also and what ever happened to those images ? Were they true or false ?
Thanks


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 05:58:25 PM
Who first called Natalee a virgin.. Beth or Joran ?

I really do not know what the big deal is.  Maybe Natalee was a virgin and ... maybe she was not.  Nevertheless ... as far as Beth was concerned ... her daughter was a virgin.  Hey ... if I had a sexual experience prior to marrying my husband ... believe me ... I would not have shared it with my mother.

Janet

++++++


Beth Holloway Twitty
DR. PHIL
September, 2008


Dr. Phil asks Beth for her reaction to what Deepak has said.

She says, "When I hear him speak of Natalee, I want to make it perfectly clear that... Natalee is a virgin and she had never had any of these sexual experiences. When I hear Deepak stating you know how her mother is describing her as a goody two-shoes I mean " Natalee is just a decent young lady who has just " has an impeccable record and just sets high standards. And it all makes sense when I hear Deepak and the bartenders. Yes, these bartenders. Yes, they do slip this Ecstasy into these young girls' shots. It's just unbelievable what they have been allowed to get away with." 

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2735/?id=2735&slide=3&null=null


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 13, 2009, 06:00:25 PM
Who first called Natalee a virgin.. Beth or Joran ?


wonder who the bidders are:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4222155/Student-auctions-off-virginity-for-offers-of-more-than-2.5-million.html


I had seen this in the news.. A strange world we live in..

Anyways my question is relative.
 In a Santeria ceremony ... In a time of war.
You would sacrifice a virgin girl of your enemy to gain power over your enemy.
You are sacrificing the girl to the Gods for this gift.

In today's Santeria the gods of the Shango religion are used.

I believe Hugo practices Santeria and his arch enemy is "US".
He uses Mr Bush as his object of hate.
He attacks us with the FARC produced cocaine who use indigenous south American Indian slaves to make the final product. The Dutch also distribute his ill produced product.
The FARC hold many kidnap victims.
It is not beyond comprehension that Joran was looking for a Virgin by request.
It would be a reason for a massive cover up as Hugo is such a political Hot Potato and the Dutch do a massive business in oil production inside of Venezuela.
You would also like to note that you will not find any Dutch citizens victims of kidnap or extortion even though they live and do business in Colombia Venezuela and Brazil each and every day.
Hugo Chavez had a party for FARC leaders just a few days after Natalee went missing.. She could have been used for this purpose.

That is why I asked the question.. Who called Natalee a virgin and when did that happen..
Was it Beth or Joran ?




Vanity Fair Article:

That's the truth? Look, Joran, you need to be truthful with me. You need to tell me everything. Where'd you go?"

Croes could see Joran's mind working. Finally, he said, "We didn't go directly to the Holiday Inn. She wanted us to drive around. The girl was crazy. She was just crazy." According to Croes, Joran said Natalee then told him three things as they drove north past the Holiday Inn: that her mother was "like Hitler," that she was a virgin, and that she was a lesbian. She begged him to take her to a beach where she had heard she could see sharks, but Joran told her that was a local myth. She told him she wanted to have sex.


If Natalee did say that, she was probably trying to plead herself out of a rape situation.  If she didn't say it, Joran discovered it from the rape.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 06:03:05 PM
If one of the MB students told Joran Natalee was a virgin...
That could be the ticket.
That MB student would have done a total diservice to all of us if that student did not admit that.

Very interesting that you brought this up Edward.  The same subject has been on my mind a lot over the past few months.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I have formed an opinion of one particular student that I believe is a likely candidate to have done this.  If not Joran directly, possibly to someone that would have told Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 13, 2009, 06:16:34 PM
Her friends knew she was a virgin:

2005-06-06 3:00 pm
---
Guest
Re: Natalee Holloway missing
And to "Trashy" and other people who have called her a "slut" you are completely idiotic.  Natalee is a good kid, and I know for a fact that she would never willing have sex with anyone she met there, much less 3 in the same night.  I am disgusted that the police would let them go when their story is so obviously false and even more disgusted that people who have no idea of her true character would defend these liars.  Natalee was a virgin and planned to be until she was married... we'd discussed it before. You people make me phyiscally ill.  Please don't use this site to bash Natalee, her parents, her friends, or the chaperones.  You are totally out of line.

http://hcgtv.net/viewtopic.php?id=1059&p=5


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 06:38:39 PM
Vanity Fair Article:

That's the truth? Look, Joran, you need to be truthful with me. You need to tell me everything. Where'd you go?"

Croes could see Joran's mind working. Finally, he said, "We didn't go directly to the Holiday Inn. She wanted us to drive around. The girl was crazy. She was just crazy." According to Croes, Joran said Natalee then told him three things as they drove north past the Holiday Inn: that her mother was "like Hitler," that she was a virgin, and that she was a lesbian. She begged him to take her to a beach where she had heard she could see sharks, but Joran told her that was a local myth. She told him she wanted to have sex.


If Natalee did say that, she was probably trying to plead herself out of a rape situation.  If she didn't say it, Joran discovered it from the rape.

Hey ... Joran lied in the Vanity Fair about the Holiday Inn.  Joran, Deepak, Satish and Natalee never went to the Holiday Inn at all.

Nothing that comes out of Joran's mouth can be believed.

Janet

_______


Exclusive: Joran van der Sloot Talks About Night With Natalee Holloway
Duo Seen Together on Tape Obtained Exclusively by ABC News


At the same time, he told "Primetime" that his version of events is hard to believe. When asked why, after all the lying he's done, his word should be credible, he said, "There's absolutely no reason to believe me."

"I would probably not believe myself, no," he added.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Story?id=1648218&page=3


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 13, 2009, 06:43:43 PM
Thank You Blonde I was able to reproduce your image from the video stills just as you had posted it..I did it in paint also which amazed me..lol
 Yet I am still curious because a long time ago somebody here had taken this image far beyond what you had posted and the images showed far more detail .. I remember talk of rats under the plastic..
Was that you also and what ever happened to those images ? Were they true or false ?
Thanks


This was the BEST that I got. The overlay is from my picture program I used, you shouldn't get that when using paint
 This way why I got sssssoooo PISSED when I was accused of photo shopping it stupid people.
Anyone can do it, you just have to stop the video at the right time.That was hard i did 60 screen shots of just the bag.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Video%2024/IthinkitsNat-1.jpg)
 I can see her face as clear as day.
 I had a guy from the Penagon call me and he was just speachless.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 13, 2009, 06:49:54 PM
Thank You Blonde I was able to reproduce your image from the video stills just as you had posted it..I did it in paint also which amazed me..lol
 Yet I am still curious because a long time ago somebody here had taken this image far beyond what you had posted and the images showed far more detail .. I remember talk of rats under the plastic..
Was that you also and what ever happened to those images ? Were they true or false ?
Thanks


This was the BEST that I got. The overlay is from my picture program I used, you shouldn't get that when using paint
 This way why I got sssssoooo PISSED when I was accused of photo shopping it stupid people.
Anyone can do it, you just have to stop the video at the right time.That was hard i did 60 screen shots of just the bag.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Video%2024/IthinkitsNat-1.jpg)
 I can see her face as clear as day.
 I had a guy from the Penagon call me and he was just speachless.



I definitely see it -- I just don't know if it is actually Natalee or a "Cosmic WTF"!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 13, 2009, 07:31:01 PM
It is within eyesight of the hotel.. Why is it the the filming person did not look inside the plastic bag ?
Who was the person filming this ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2009, 07:37:18 PM
klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal. 

Actually, you do have the burden of proof. From all accounts CAPS has been a distraction to the investigation. Provide us with any information that CAPS has added value to the investigation. The most recent account was there was a major player to be arrested last week...where did that lead us? I can only speak for myself, but I think there are a growing number of monkeys that are tiring of the "I know I am right, but I can't tell you how/why I am right...trust me!"

Kermit has proven to us that things were hinky with Kyle and had the burden of proof to allow us to make a decision on the validity of those facts. Why are you afraid of proving us wrong?


If one goes back and re-reads Hotshot's theories/posts, you'll see a pattern of similarities to Caps theories/idea/posts. Maybe someone used her deliberately.

Also I think it's important to focus more on the Aruban's covering-up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2009, 07:40:49 PM
Quote from: Blonde
[IMG
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Video%2024/IthinkitsNat-1.jpg[/img]
An alive Natalee[/b]
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Video%2024/nh30.jpg)

I can attest to the fact that Blonde did not photoshop that bag photo at all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2009, 07:42:12 PM
It is within eyesight of the hotel.. Why is it the the filming person did not look inside the plastic bag ?
Who was the person filming this ?

He's got dark colored skin tone.
If you look at the Aru-bay videos he pans the camera down and you can see his barefeet at one point.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 13, 2009, 07:44:07 PM
O/T It is snowing or sleeting or something here!   ::MonkeyShocked::



Unhook the hose from the outlet....

Exactly as two our of three were still connected.  It was 60+ degrees just a couple of days ago.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 07:46:17 PM
Kermit.Comemencia.Why is he not discussed much.Wasn't he there from the beginning until the Persistence?Comemencia,as well as Eduardo there from the beginning till the Persistence.Dolph as well?Who else?Just questions..TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 13, 2009, 07:51:53 PM
Kermit, do you know if Kyle has shown the pictures from the
ROV that he posted at Freebirds to Mos?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 07:56:10 PM
Is there any images of this article archived on the Scared Monkey site?

Janet

++++++++


IS THIS NATALEE'S BODY?

The family of Natalee Holloway is seeking scientific experts to examine a shocking photograph that may show the missing teen's body bundled in plastic!

The picture — obtained exclusively by The ENQUIRER — shocked Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, when she saw it for the first time in late October.

"Beth got very upset. She told me it was very disturbing," said 58-year-old retired businesswoman Angela Pelletier, who did the photographic detective work that exposed the horrifying image.

The blurry image was taken from a video first seen on June 10, 2005 — less than two weeks after 18-year-old Natalee vanished at the end of a graduation trip to Aruba with her Alabama high school class.

Pelletier zoomed in on a large piece of white plastic sheeting crammed into a 4-foot by 4-foot storm drain just a few yards from the fishermen's huts where Natalee was last seen with prime suspect Joran van der Sloot.

After months of sophisticated digital maneuvering, Pelletier produced a negative image — and through the plastic sheeting there appears to be a hazy image of a young woman's face.

"It looked just like Natalee. I even saw blonde hair," Pelletier told The ENQUIRER.

Pick up this week's issue of The ENQUIRER to see the photo and read more!

Published on: 11/16/2006

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63379




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2009, 07:59:41 PM
March 1 - RV Persistence announced it is leaving Aruba
March 3 - John meets with Caps
March 3 - Kyle learns that the screen shots he sent to the FBI - the FBI sent to Dave and Dave's wife, Robin posted them on the internet.
March 12 the persistence gets back to Louisiana
March 16 - In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer.
March 18 - Kyle says: "the tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.
March 18 - Caps has spoken to John and John is in contact with Mos
March 18 - Kyle says that it is the pond near the soccer field that Caps is talkinga bout was the one searched by RV Persistence crew
March is when Kyle started asking Freebirds about the boat and the size of boat that it would take to carry a cage like htat.
March 18, 2008, 09:10:45 PM Kyle posts at scared monkeys that he personally
does not feel that we should disregard the trap or its contents until we know how
that trap got there and what the nature of its contents were
MF hasn't posted at RU since 3/17/08
Glenda hasn't posted at RU since 3/19/08
no updates from amigo since 3/20/08
March 20 - private eye posts on SM about the blue denim fabric
March 20 -  Kyle tells PrivateEye to email him fo r further discussion.
March 21 - Kyle went to Johns house and all things Holloway were stripped from the boat he said
ONE WEEK LATER
March 24 - Agent Shipley went to Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond
March 26 CAPS and Dave email each other:
"Beside to what I have heard, the body may be in another place now.  But that is what this person connected to the government is saying not knowing who I am"
March 27 - Kyle emails me that he is going offshore in a day
April 3, 2008 -Posted at BFN
I feel the sites are as safe as they can be. All survey data that was collected, other than what was shared with the authorities, is in our possesion. No data has yet to be released, especially target data......locations

Apr 7 Ocean says he just got asked by Mos through John to expedite the analysis of the pond search and to send a report brief.  Moss is calling for the draining and full search of the pond
KEEPING IN MIND POND WAS FULL OF WATER BACK IN FEB. APRIL MOS WANTS A BRIEF SO HE CAN GET PERMISSION TO DRAIN THE POND, BY MAY THE POND IS COMPLETELY DRY

APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million

APRIL 24,2008 OF ALL OF THE OFFICERS RESIGNED FROM SUPERIOR OFFSHORE COMPANY

APRIL 25,2008 THEY ANNOUNCED FILING A CHAPTER 11 BANKRUPTCY

MAY 5, 2008 = CAPS posts about the pond being roped off


May 8, 2008 = Kyle posts: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.


On May 8, 2008, the Company filed a motion with the Court for authority to sell a

12-Man 300 meter skid-mounted saturation diving system and related

equipment to Global Industries Offshore LLC (“Global”) for a cash payment

of $6,750,000.00

May 17 - Kyle
I need immediate help.

I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.
I also need the information Caps originally posted about the pond search.

CAPS reveals one of his sources
Klaasend:
watch the news of tomorrow on what the comments are today from Hans MOS...He is pisst on the search in Monserat. My bother was telling me that MOS want to know all the detail and how they came about to that area.

May 8, 2008 CAPS posted about his losing a shoe in a pond when he was a kid
Reply #1486

May 15 - Destiny posts at SM that she will have pictures of the drained pond from her *direct* sourse in Aruba.
May 15 - Destiny posts at SM that the photos taken today by Monserat, it is the pond next to the soccer field.

May 17 - Kyle confirms the pond is the Monstrat pond.
May 17 - Kyle needs to know from US who leaked the photos. He states he believes Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand. "Mos knows there is a mole deep within the investigation"
May 17, 2008 - Destiny posted the photos of the pond at SM
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.920
May 17, Kyle sends an email to John Silvetti which he has copied posts from SM of CAPS and Destiny and Klassend and Spock. He is defending himself that
he didn't know who posted the pond pictures at SM.

May 18: The witness went to Helen LeJuez & she set up a meeting for him with Clyde Burke from ALE.

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #846 on: Today at 08:41:58 PM »

Nope....the final and last info as posted above re: size and woman's shoe came from ALE....that roadblock was the end....shoe *was* last in the possesion of ALE  shoe went *poof*....end of story...but NOW...who cares about the shoe....we have new witnesses....that is my focal point....BTW...I will call Mos again tomorrow....will keep you posted....Des
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.840







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2009, 08:01:43 PM
Kermit, do you know if Kyle has shown the pictures from the
ROV that he posted at Freebirds to Mos?

He never showed them to Mos or Richardson.
That was the thing, he said that the Arubans did not know the ROV unit was filming them, when they went down on that dive Jan. 7th.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2009, 08:02:29 PM
Kermit.Comemencia.Why is he not discussed much.Wasn't he there from the beginning until the Persistence?Comemencia,as well as Eduardo there from the beginning till the Persistence.Dolph as well?Who else?Just questions..TIA

Yes they both have been around since the beginning.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 08:03:29 PM
Again ... were images of the National Enquirer article posted on the Scared Monkey site.

Thanks

Janet

++++++++


Sue
Lively Case Discussion #543 11/14 - 11/15/2006
« Reply #360 on: November 15, 2006, 02:14:30 AM »


This was posted at BFN....

The National Enquirer

I was told by a representative from the National Enquirer that the issue with the photos should be available on newsstands Thursday, November 16, 2006. This all came about after the photos were shown at the family meeting in October.

After the meeting, Art Wood contacted me and asked me to send the photos to three different email addresses. I did so and was subsequently contacted by David Wright from the National Enquirer. By complying with Art's request, my only goal was to help in the search for Natalee and I did this with Beth and Dave's knowledge and approval. The other email addresses were to forensic labs.

I'm not a scientist and I do not know what if anything these photos may lead to. It's now in the hands of professionals

I have been told I will be receiving a nominal fee from the National Enquirer. I did not do this for personal gain and the money will be donated in Natalee's name.

I will continue to do whatever is within my power to see that Natalee is returned to her family. My thoughts and prayers are with them.

Blonde

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=5455.30

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=540.360



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 08:05:13 PM
March 1 - RV Persistence announced it is leaving Aruba
March 3 - John meets with Caps
March 3 - Kyle learns that the screen shots he sent to the FBI - the FBI sent to Dave and Dave's wife, Robin posted them on the internet.
March 12 the persistence gets back to Louisiana
March 16 - In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer.
March 18 - Kyle says: "the tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.
March 18 - Caps has spoken to John and John is in contact with Mos
March 18 - Kyle says that it is the pond near the soccer field that Caps is talkinga bout was the one searched by RV Persistence crew
March is when Kyle started asking Freebirds about the boat and the size of boat that it would take to carry a cage like htat.
March 18, 2008, 09:10:45 PM Kyle posts at scared monkeys that he personally
does not feel that we should disregard the trap or its contents until we know how
that trap got there and what the nature of its contents were
MF hasn't posted at RU since 3/17/08
Glenda hasn't posted at RU since 3/19/08
no updates from amigo since 3/20/08
March 20 - private eye posts on SM about the blue denim fabric
March 20 -  Kyle tells PrivateEye to email him fo r further discussion.
March 21 - Kyle went to Johns house and all things Holloway were stripped from the boat he said
ONE WEEK LATER
March 24 - Agent Shipley went to Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond
March 26 CAPS and Dave email each other:
"Beside to what I have heard, the body may be in another place now.  But that is what this person connected to the government is saying not knowing who I am"
March 27 - Kyle emails me that he is going offshore in a day
April 3, 2008 -Posted at BFN
I feel the sites are as safe as they can be. All survey data that was collected, other than what was shared with the authorities, is in our possesion. No data has yet to be released, especially target data......locations

Apr 7 Ocean says he just got asked by Mos through John to expedite the analysis of the pond search and to send a report brief.  Moss is calling for the draining and full search of the pond
KEEPING IN MIND POND WAS FULL OF WATER BACK IN FEB. APRIL MOS WANTS A BRIEF SO HE CAN GET PERMISSION TO DRAIN THE POND, BY MAY THE POND IS COMPLETELY DRY

APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million

APRIL 24,2008 OF ALL OF THE OFFICERS RESIGNED FROM SUPERIOR OFFSHORE COMPANY

APRIL 25,2008 THEY ANNOUNCED FILING A CHAPTER 11 BANKRUPTCY

MAY 5, 2008 = CAPS posts about the pond being roped off


May 8, 2008 = Kyle posts: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.


On May 8, 2008, the Company filed a motion with the Court for authority to sell a

12-Man 300 meter skid-mounted saturation diving system and related

equipment to Global Industries Offshore LLC (“Global”) for a cash payment

of $6,750,000.00

May 17 - Kyle
I need immediate help.

I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.
I also need the information Caps originally posted about the pond search.

CAPS reveals one of his sources
Klaasend:
watch the news of tomorrow on what the comments are today from Hans MOS...He is pisst on the search in Monserat. My bother was telling me that MOS want to know all the detail and how they came about to that area.

May 8, 2008 CAPS posted about his losing a shoe in a pond when he was a kid
Reply #1486

May 15 - Destiny posts at SM that she will have pictures of the drained pond from her *direct* sourse in Aruba.
May 15 - Destiny posts at SM that the photos taken today by Monserat, it is the pond next to the soccer field.

May 17 - Kyle confirms the pond is the Monstrat pond.
May 17 - Kyle needs to know from US who leaked the photos. He states he believes Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand. "Mos knows there is a mole deep within the investigation"
May 17, 2008 - Destiny posted the photos of the pond at SM
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.920
May 17, Kyle sends an email to John Silvetti which he has copied posts from SM of CAPS and Destiny and Klassend and Spock. He is defending himself that
he didn't know who posted the pond pictures at SM.

May 18: The witness went to Helen LeJuez & she set up a meeting for him with Clyde Burke from ALE.

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #846 on: Today at 08:41:58 PM »

Nope....the final and last info as posted above re: size and woman's shoe came from ALE....that roadblock was the end....shoe *was* last in the possesion of ALE  shoe went *poof*....end of story...but NOW...who cares about the shoe....we have new witnesses....that is my focal point....BTW...I will call Mos again tomorrow....will keep you posted....Des
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.840


Ribbit Kermit.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2009, 08:05:44 PM
Yes, Janet, those are the two posts that I found offensive and strange.  So it was not just the Frog causing some of us to have serious doubts about the agenda being played out.  I also know that they do not list initials of suspects in reverse order.  Nor do I believe the Kalpoes parents own any apartments.  So there was a history of misinformation before this latest IMO.





I agree with you Anna.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2009, 08:06:12 PM
ribbit Ms. Janet.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2009, 08:07:34 PM
Again ... were images of the National Enquirer article posted on the Scared Monkey site.

Thanks

Janet

++++++++


Sue
Lively Case Discussion #543 11/14 - 11/15/2006
« Reply #360 on: November 15, 2006, 02:14:30 AM »


This was posted at BFN....

The National Enquirer

I was told by a representative from the National Enquirer that the issue with the photos should be available on newsstands Thursday, November 16, 2006. This all came about after the photos were shown at the family meeting in October.

After the meeting, Art Wood contacted me and asked me to send the photos to three different email addresses. I did so and was subsequently contacted by David Wright from the National Enquirer. By complying with Art's request, my only goal was to help in the search for Natalee and I did this with Beth and Dave's knowledge and approval. The other email addresses were to forensic labs.

I'm not a scientist and I do not know what if anything these photos may lead to. It's now in the hands of professionals

I have been told I will be receiving a nominal fee from the National Enquirer. I did not do this for personal gain and the money will be donated in Natalee's name.

I will continue to do whatever is within my power to see that Natalee is returned to her family. My thoughts and prayers are with them.

Blonde

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=5455.30

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=540.360



They most likely were.
I know Hotshot posted the photo that Blonde did at SM.
I copied it from Hotshot's post at SM and posted it at BFN.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 13, 2009, 08:08:01 PM
It is within eyesight of the hotel.. Why is it the the filming person did not look inside the plastic bag ?
Who was the person filming this ?

He's got dark colored skin tone.
If you look at the Aru-bay videos he pans the camera down and you can see his barefeet at one point.


It seemed to me that perhaps the Aru-bay videos were taken by someone as "documentation" of what really happened. (This was to protect the black Security guards in case they were railroaded.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2009, 08:12:35 PM
It is within eyesight of the hotel.. Why is it the the filming person did not look inside the plastic bag ?
Who was the person filming this ?

He's got dark colored skin tone.
If you look at the Aru-bay videos he pans the camera down and you can see his barefeet at one point.


It seemed to me that perhaps the Aru-bay videos were taken by someone as "documentation" of what really happened. (This was to protect the black Security guards in case they were railroaded.)

I agree wreck. Those videos certainly give insight into what Aruba does.
One of the black security guards was a DJ on the Tattoo. I saw a photo of him.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2009, 08:14:04 PM
Off to get flies.

ribbit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 08:28:21 PM
Janet.Who's been there from the beginning to The Persistence?

1.Ed Comemencia
2.Eduardo Mansur
3.Dolph Richardson
4.Clyde burke

Were those 4 on the Persistence?Anyone else?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 08:38:38 PM
Janet.Who's been there from the beginning to The Persistence?

1.Ed Comemencia
2.Eduardo Mansur
3.Dolph Richardson
4.Clyde burke

Were those 4 on the Persistence?Anyone else?

EDWIN COMEMENCIA

1.  Security Guards' Detainment
2.  Official Search.
3.  Mariott Pond Search.
4.  Duct Tape/Blond Hair Discovery
5.  Racquet Ball Club Pond Search.
6.  Landfill search
_______


1. SECURITY GUARDS DETAINMENT

Aruba's Government Asks for Help in Search
Tuesday, June 07, 2005


Aruban police in unmarked cars accompanied by FBI agents made a pre-dawn raid at 5 a.m. Sunday, rousting two suspects aged 28 and 30 from their beds.

An AP photographer watched as the rumpled men — one from the De Vuiyst housing project for poorer islanders and another from an average home in southeast San Nicolas — emerged without resistance, hands cuffed behind their backs.

Police searched the homes and emerged with what looked like a metal safe deposit box and a garbage bag of clothing.

Police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said that authorities had not ruled out the possibility that other people were involved. The two men in custody were not among three others described Saturday by police as "persons of interest."

"I think there are more suspects ... we're going to arrest more" people in connection with the case, Comemencia told FOX News on Monday.

Authorities declined to comment whether there was a relationship between the suspects and other three, earlier described as students — two Surinamese and a native of the Netherlands — who told police they dropped off Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. on May 30. Hotel employees, however, say that security cameras did not record her return.

Comemencia also said that he didn't believe Holloway ever returned to her hotel. "The investigation looks like, that night, she never returned to her hotel," Comemencia told FOX News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158666,00.html


2.  OFFICIAL SEARCH

Aruban PM Seeks Answers
Saturday , June 11, 2005


Police and volunteer land searches continued Wednesday with no results, while water searches, also unsuccessful, had been suspended "at this time," police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html


3.  MARRIOT POND SEARCH

Aruba Cops Search Dutch Suspect's Home
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


A couple of Holloway's family members arrived on the scene Tuesday afternoon as police cordoned off several streets in front of the Marriott and investigators descended upon the swampy terrain next door.

Asked why police searched the area, Comemencia replied, "We got some information we needed to check." He would not say if authorities were acting on what John said. He also declined to comment on whether any of the three young men still in custody had changed their versions of what happened the night the teen disappeared.

There is a small pond, perhaps four to six feet deep, in the underbrush that was being searched. A large fire truck pumper truck was parked on the road. Earlier, what appeared to be a generator was dropped off by a flatbed truck. Reporters said they saw the pond being slowly drained.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html


Posted 6/14/2005 2:51 PM     Updated 6/15/2005 10:09 AM
Aruban police come up empty-handed in search for teen


Police converged on a mangrove swamp near the Marriott Tuesday, a secluded area behind the beach dotted with fishermen's huts, to search for Natalee Holloway after being told that the young men who were last seen with her had lied about where they dropped her off. Workers used a firetruck to drain a pond in the middle of the swamp.(Map: Inside Aruba)

"We didn't find anything," police spokesman Edwin Comemencia told the Associated Press. He said the search would not continue in the same area today but declined to say where police would go next.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-06-14-aruba-search_x.htm


4.  DUCT TAPE/BLOND HAIR DISCOVERY

Blond Hair On Tape Found In Aruba
DNA Testing To Be Done In The Netherlands, FBI Lab In Virginia
ORANJESTAD, Aruba, July 18, 2005


(AP) Investigators said Monday they will conduct DNA tests on blond hair attached to duct tape that was found along Aruba's coast to see if it came from Natalee Holloway in a possible break to the six-week-old mystery.

A park ranger found the duct tape while collecting trash Sunday on rocks at Boca Tortuga, an inlet near a series of caves on Aruba's northeast coast, said National Park Ranger Service spokeswoman Dilma Arends.

Boca Tortuga is on the opposite side of Aruba from where the 18-year-old was last seen in public, and her father expressed little hope that the find would yield an important clue.

"We've had a lot of information that turned out false," David Holloway said as he prepared to leave Aruba and return home to Meridian, Miss.

The ranger who made the find, Mario Rasmijn, said there were several strands, each about 12 inches long, and that some were light blond and others were dark.

The hair will be sent to the Netherlands for DNA analysis, said police spokesman Edwin Comemencia. Aruba, a Dutch protectorate, doesn't have a lab to conduct the genetic testing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/18/world/main709813.shtml


5.  RACQUET CLUB POND SEARCH

Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press


ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.

Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html


6. LANDFILL SEARCH

Aruba Missing Teen
Posted: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Last Updated: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Reporter: Associated Press


A volunteer group searching for a missing Alabama teenager dug through a landfill in Aruba for a third day today (Sunday) but found no clues.

The search resumes tomorrow.

An Aruban man said he was at the landfill dropping off trash when he saw men dump and cover the body of a blonde female, two days after Natalee Holloway disappeared.

Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip days after Holloway's disappearance May 30th, but found nothing.

He said the witness recently approached Holloway's family, who asked for another search.

http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/1756907.html


CNN Larry King Live
Latest in Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired July 29, 2005 - 21:00   ET


TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:  I -- I don't think he has anything to gain, for number one. I think he truly does fear. I think, you know, he's stuck to a story that he -- you know, I talked to the police commissioner this morning. The police commissioner says, you know, he's not one of the guys you'd probably want to hire to go to work for you or something like that, but he's sticking to that story. And we've interviewed him. We sent the FBI out there, you know, and no matter what his mental condition is or his IQ is, a lot of times, it's these type of people that see something that help solve cases.

So anyhow, again, we've got a big task ahead of us. I think tomorrow also, we're going to be bringing in that gas detection device that we've got, to go back into the pond, and then we're using the ground penetration radar systems to be in another area. So we're going to be spread real thin tomorrow, but I think the area that we're focused on the very most, where we're going to have most of our people is at the dump.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/lkl.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 13, 2009, 08:38:42 PM
March 1 - RV Persistence announced it is leaving Aruba
March 3 - John meets with Caps
March 3 - Kyle learns that the screen shots he sent to the FBI - the FBI sent to Dave and Dave's wife, Robin posted them on the internet.
March 12 the persistence gets back to Louisiana
March 16 - In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer.
March 18 - Kyle says: "the tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.
March 18 - Caps has spoken to John and John is in contact with Mos
March 18 - Kyle says that it is the pond near the soccer field that Caps is talkinga bout was the one searched by RV Persistence crew
March is when Kyle started asking Freebirds about the boat and the size of boat that it would take to carry a cage like htat.
March 18, 2008, 09:10:45 PM Kyle posts at scared monkeys that he personally
does not feel that we should disregard the trap or its contents until we know how
that trap got there and what the nature of its contents were
MF hasn't posted at RU since 3/17/08
Glenda hasn't posted at RU since 3/19/08
no updates from amigo since 3/20/08
March 20 - private eye posts on SM about the blue denim fabric
March 20 -  Kyle tells PrivateEye to email him fo r further discussion.
March 21 - Kyle went to Johns house and all things Holloway were stripped from the boat he said
ONE WEEK LATER
March 24 - Agent Shipley went to Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond
March 26 CAPS and Dave email each other:
"Beside to what I have heard, the body may be in another place now.  But that is what this person connected to the government is saying not knowing who I am"
March 27 - Kyle emails me that he is going offshore in a day
April 3, 2008 -Posted at BFN
I feel the sites are as safe as they can be. All survey data that was collected, other than what was shared with the authorities, is in our possesion. No data has yet to be released, especially target data......locations

Apr 7 Ocean says he just got asked by Mos through John to expedite the analysis of the pond search and to send a report brief.  Moss is calling for the draining and full search of the pond
KEEPING IN MIND POND WAS FULL OF WATER BACK IN FEB. APRIL MOS WANTS A BRIEF SO HE CAN GET PERMISSION TO DRAIN THE POND, BY MAY THE POND IS COMPLETELY DRY

APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million

APRIL 24,2008 OF ALL OF THE OFFICERS RESIGNED FROM SUPERIOR OFFSHORE COMPANY

APRIL 25,2008 THEY ANNOUNCED FILING A CHAPTER 11 BANKRUPTCY

MAY 5, 2008 = CAPS posts about the pond being roped off


May 8, 2008 = Kyle posts: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.


On May 8, 2008, the Company filed a motion with the Court for authority to sell a

12-Man 300 meter skid-mounted saturation diving system and related

equipment to Global Industries Offshore LLC (“Global”) for a cash payment

of $6,750,000.00

May 17 - Kyle
I need immediate help.

I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.
I also need the information Caps originally posted about the pond search.

CAPS reveals one of his sources
Klaasend:
watch the news of tomorrow on what the comments are today from Hans MOS...He is pisst on the search in Monserat. My bother was telling me that MOS want to know all the detail and how they came about to that area.

May 8, 2008 CAPS posted about his losing a shoe in a pond when he was a kid
Reply #1486

May 15 - Destiny posts at SM that she will have pictures of the drained pond from her *direct* sourse in Aruba.
May 15 - Destiny posts at SM that the photos taken today by Monserat, it is the pond next to the soccer field.

May 17 - Kyle confirms the pond is the Monstrat pond.
May 17 - Kyle needs to know from US who leaked the photos. He states he believes Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand. "Mos knows there is a mole deep within the investigation"
May 17, 2008 - Destiny posted the photos of the pond at SM
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.920
May 17, Kyle sends an email to John Silvetti which he has copied posts from SM of CAPS and Destiny and Klassend and Spock. He is defending himself that
he didn't know who posted the pond pictures at SM.

May 18: The witness went to Helen LeJuez & she set up a meeting for him with Clyde Burke from ALE.

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #846 on: Today at 08:41:58 PM »

Nope....the final and last info as posted above re: size and woman's shoe came from ALE....that roadblock was the end....shoe *was* last in the possesion of ALE  shoe went *poof*....end of story...but NOW...who cares about the shoe....we have new witnesses....that is my focal point....BTW...I will call Mos again tomorrow....will keep you posted....Des
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.840







Stocks sold $152million, Officers resign, Chapter 11 bankruptcy?  Follow the money.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 13, 2009, 08:40:38 PM
Again ... were images of the National Enquirer article posted on the Scared Monkey site.

Thanks

Janet

++++++++


Sue
Lively Case Discussion #543 11/14 - 11/15/2006
« Reply #360 on: November 15, 2006, 02:14:30 AM »


This was posted at BFN....

The National Enquirer

I was told by a representative from the National Enquirer that the issue with the photos should be available on newsstands Thursday, November 16, 2006. This all came about after the photos were shown at the family meeting in October.

After the meeting, Art Wood contacted me and asked me to send the photos to three different email addresses. I did so and was subsequently contacted by David Wright from the National Enquirer. By complying with Art's request, my only goal was to help in the search for Natalee and I did this with Beth and Dave's knowledge and approval. The other email addresses were to forensic labs.

I'm not a scientist and I do not know what if anything these photos may lead to. It's now in the hands of professionals

I have been told I will be receiving a nominal fee from the National Enquirer. I did not do this for personal gain and the money will be donated in Natalee's name.

I will continue to do whatever is within my power to see that Natalee is returned to her family. My thoughts and prayers are with them.

Blonde

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=5455.30

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=540.360



They most likely were.
I know Hotshot posted the photo that Blonde did at SM.
I copied it from Hotshot's post at SM and posted it at BFN.



YES, that was the night I found the photo I was NOT a member at SM and
Hot Shot was I slipped it into her Messenger and told her to give it to Red to give to Beth .
I also sent to Beth's email but wanted to see if anyone was seeing what I saw I was going kind of NUTS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 08:48:52 PM
Blonde

Can you provide a link to images of that National Enquired article that was most likely posted on the SM site.

I never did see that article.  I meant to buy it but ... cannot remember why it never happened.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 09:11:27 PM
Janet.Who's been there from the beginning to The Persistence?

1.Ed Comemencia
2.Eduardo Mansur
3.Dolph Richardson
4.Clyde burke

Were those 4 on the Persistence?Anyone else?

EDWIN COMEMENCIA

1.  Security Guards' Detainment
2.  Official Search.
3.  Mariott Pond Search.
4.  Duct Tape/Blond Hair Discovery
5.  Racquet Ball Club Pond Search.
6.  Landfill search
_______


1. SECURITY GUARDS DETAINMENT

Aruba's Government Asks for Help in Search
Tuesday, June 07, 2005


Aruban police in unmarked cars accompanied by FBI agents made a pre-dawn raid at 5 a.m. Sunday, rousting two suspects aged 28 and 30 from their beds.

An AP photographer watched as the rumpled men — one from the De Vuiyst housing project for poorer islanders and another from an average home in southeast San Nicolas — emerged without resistance, hands cuffed behind their backs.

Police searched the homes and emerged with what looked like a metal safe deposit box and a garbage bag of clothing.

Police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said that authorities had not ruled out the possibility that other people were involved. The two men in custody were not among three others described Saturday by police as "persons of interest."

"I think there are more suspects ... we're going to arrest more" people in connection with the case, Comemencia told FOX News on Monday.

Authorities declined to comment whether there was a relationship between the suspects and other three, earlier described as students — two Surinamese and a native of the Netherlands — who told police they dropped off Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. on May 30. Hotel employees, however, say that security cameras did not record her return.

Comemencia also said that he didn't believe Holloway ever returned to her hotel. "The investigation looks like, that night, she never returned to her hotel," Comemencia told FOX News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158666,00.html


2.  OFFICIAL SEARCH

Aruban PM Seeks Answers
Saturday , June 11, 2005


Police and volunteer land searches continued Wednesday with no results, while water searches, also unsuccessful, had been suspended "at this time," police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html


3.  MARRIOT POND SEARCH

Aruba Cops Search Dutch Suspect's Home
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


A couple of Holloway's family members arrived on the scene Tuesday afternoon as police cordoned off several streets in front of the Marriott and investigators descended upon the swampy terrain next door.

Asked why police searched the area, Comemencia replied, "We got some information we needed to check." He would not say if authorities were acting on what John said. He also declined to comment on whether any of the three young men still in custody had changed their versions of what happened the night the teen disappeared.

There is a small pond, perhaps four to six feet deep, in the underbrush that was being searched. A large fire truck pumper truck was parked on the road. Earlier, what appeared to be a generator was dropped off by a flatbed truck. Reporters said they saw the pond being slowly drained.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html


Posted 6/14/2005 2:51 PM     Updated 6/15/2005 10:09 AM
Aruban police come up empty-handed in search for teen


Police converged on a mangrove swamp near the Marriott Tuesday, a secluded area behind the beach dotted with fishermen's huts, to search for Natalee Holloway after being told that the young men who were last seen with her had lied about where they dropped her off. Workers used a firetruck to drain a pond in the middle of the swamp.(Map: Inside Aruba)

"We didn't find anything," police spokesman Edwin Comemencia told the Associated Press. He said the search would not continue in the same area today but declined to say where police would go next.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-06-14-aruba-search_x.htm


4.  DUCT TAPE/BLOND HAIR DISCOVERY

Blond Hair On Tape Found In Aruba
DNA Testing To Be Done In The Netherlands, FBI Lab In Virginia
ORANJESTAD, Aruba, July 18, 2005


(AP) Investigators said Monday they will conduct DNA tests on blond hair attached to duct tape that was found along Aruba's coast to see if it came from Natalee Holloway in a possible break to the six-week-old mystery.

A park ranger found the duct tape while collecting trash Sunday on rocks at Boca Tortuga, an inlet near a series of caves on Aruba's northeast coast, said National Park Ranger Service spokeswoman Dilma Arends.

Boca Tortuga is on the opposite side of Aruba from where the 18-year-old was last seen in public, and her father expressed little hope that the find would yield an important clue.

"We've had a lot of information that turned out false," David Holloway said as he prepared to leave Aruba and return home to Meridian, Miss.

The ranger who made the find, Mario Rasmijn, said there were several strands, each about 12 inches long, and that some were light blond and others were dark.

The hair will be sent to the Netherlands for DNA analysis, said police spokesman Edwin Comemencia. Aruba, a Dutch protectorate, doesn't have a lab to conduct the genetic testing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/18/world/main709813.shtml


5.  RACQUET CLUB POND SEARCH

Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press


ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.

Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html


6. LANDFILL SEARCH

Aruba Missing Teen
Posted: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Last Updated: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Reporter: Associated Press


A volunteer group searching for a missing Alabama teenager dug through a landfill in Aruba for a third day today (Sunday) but found no clues.

The search resumes tomorrow.

An Aruban man said he was at the landfill dropping off trash when he saw men dump and cover the body of a blonde female, two days after Natalee Holloway disappeared.

Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip days after Holloway's disappearance May 30th, but found nothing.

He said the witness recently approached Holloway's family, who asked for another search.

http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/1756907.html


CNN Larry King Live
Latest in Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired July 29, 2005 - 21:00   ET


TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:  I -- I don't think he has anything to gain, for number one. I think he truly does fear. I think, you know, he's stuck to a story that he -- you know, I talked to the police commissioner this morning. The police commissioner says, you know, he's not one of the guys you'd probably want to hire to go to work for you or something like that, but he's sticking to that story. And we've interviewed him. We sent the FBI out there, you know, and no matter what his mental condition is or his IQ is, a lot of times, it's these type of people that see something that help solve cases.

So anyhow, again, we've got a big task ahead of us. I think tomorrow also, we're going to be bringing in that gas detection device that we've got, to go back into the pond, and then we're using the ground penetration radar systems to be in another area. So we're going to be spread real thin tomorrow, but I think the area that we're focused on the very most, where we're going to have most of our people is at the dump.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/lkl.01.html


So why Him?Does he have a relationship with Paulus?Who pulls Ed's strings?What about the other three?Wasn't Eduardo there since the landfill?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 13, 2009, 09:16:19 PM

Is any of this true ?? Because it has been around since the beginning of this case..

http://judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/NarcsFundedTerrs_Extrems.pdf


There are various links to web pages that say the same kind of things..

If it is true the fellow in the ArubaBay video was taking great risk.
They would just kill him like all the others that died for no apparent reasons in the beginning of this case..
 If they could put Marcos in position and mess with the persistence it is a very large organized crime group that Joran and Paulus are involved with.. Throw in taco Joe to boot.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 13, 2009, 09:20:27 PM
We see Josy and Eric plan the search itinerary.
We see Eric supply the Gardner
We see Eduardo guarding the landfill.
We see them every inch of the way throughout the case..

We also see Josy hurl things at Joran and Paulus..and Paulus nor Joran ever return fire aimed at Josy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2009, 09:23:28 PM
Blonde

Can you provide a link to images of that National Enquired article that was most likely posted on the SM site.

I never did see that article.  I meant to buy it but ... cannot remember why it never happened.

Thanks

Janet


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1050.msg138541;topicseen#msg138541


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Edward on January 13, 2009, 09:23:42 PM
The one you never see is the assistant editor of the Dario, Josy's brother
and he gets a major drug bust and is known for violent acts and has a history of it.
He is known as the Boss.




 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2009, 09:27:47 PM
Is there any images of this article archived on the Scared Monkey site?

Janet

++++++++


IS THIS NATALEE'S BODY?

The family of Natalee Holloway is seeking scientific experts to examine a shocking photograph that may show the missing teen's body bundled in plastic!

The picture — obtained exclusively by The ENQUIRER — shocked Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, when she saw it for the first time in late October.

"Beth got very upset. She told me it was very disturbing," said 58-year-old retired businesswoman Angela Pelletier, who did the photographic detective work that exposed the horrifying image.

The blurry image was taken from a video first seen on June 10, 2005 — less than two weeks after 18-year-old Natalee vanished at the end of a graduation trip to Aruba with her Alabama high school class.

Pelletier zoomed in on a large piece of white plastic sheeting crammed into a 4-foot by 4-foot storm drain just a few yards from the fishermen's huts where Natalee was last seen with prime suspect Joran van der Sloot.

After months of sophisticated digital maneuvering, Pelletier produced a negative image — and through the plastic sheeting there appears to be a hazy image of a young woman's face.

"It looked just like Natalee. I even saw blonde hair," Pelletier told The ENQUIRER.

Pick up this week's issue of The ENQUIRER to see the photo and read more!

Published on: 11/16/2006

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63379




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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 09:30:52 PM
We see Josy and Eric plan the search itinerary.
We see Eric supply the Gardner
We see Eduardo guarding the landfill.
We see them every inch of the way throughout the case..

We also see Josy hurl things at Joran and Paulus..and Paulus nor Joran ever return fire aimed at Josy.

I do find that interesting!Why would Paulus not sue Jossy,and or Diario.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 09:30:59 PM

So why Him?Does he have a relationship with Paulus?Who pulls Ed's strings?What about the other three?Wasn't Eduardo there since the landfill?

Keepthefaith

The past 3 1/2 years of the coverup in the Natalee Holloway case is so far reaching in terms of accountability.  I have lost complete faith that justice is going to come out of either an Auban or Dutch courtroom.  The domino effect will cause not just those who where involved in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 to fall but ... all those at every level of the Aruban and Dutch Administration.  Hey ... there is also the judiciary and ... those hotel/casino/clubs owners who are involved in the underground economy of Aruba.  Face it.  It is no going to happen.

I believe Aruba may have selected a willing sacrificial lamb to take the fall and ... accountability will begin and end with that lamb and it will be afforded as an appeasement offering to the family of Natalee Holloway ... an appeasement offering to silence the mother of Natalee Holloway.

However ... the crab/trap is where my focus is and ... I am going to give it my all.  If the family of Natalee Holloway can have a measure of closure knowing the truth ... the truth that their beloved's remains could possibly have been place in that crab/trap ... Tamikosmom will call it quits.

I am tired.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 09:32:57 PM
Thanks Klaas.

After dinner I will get my specs and ... attempt to read that National Enquirer article.

Janet
6:30 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 13, 2009, 09:33:37 PM
Article I found (a snippet of it follows):

Superior Offshore International Comments on Putative Class-Action Lawsuits

HOUSTON, March 5, 2008 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX News Network/ -- Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP) today announced that several putative class-action lawsuits have been filed against the Company alleging violations of the federal securities laws. Superior Offshore believes that each of these lawsuits is without merit and the Company will vigorously defend itself.

this location: 
http://ir.superioroffshore.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=297883


***This was March 5th, 2008.  What date were we (as in everyone, everywhere) requested to make donations to continue the search?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 09:34:27 PM

So why Him?Does he have a relationship with Paulus?Who pulls Ed's strings?What about the other three?Wasn't Eduardo there since the landfill?

Keepthefaith

The past 3 1/2 years of the coverup in the Natalee Holloway case is so far reaching in terms of accountability.  I have lost complete faith that justice is going to come out of either an Auban or Dutch courtroom.  The domino effect will cause not just those who where involved in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 to fall but ... all those at every level of the Aruban and Dutch Administration.  Hey ... there is also the judiciary and ... those hotel/casino/clubs owners who are involved in the underground economy of Aruba.  Face it.  It is no going to happen.

I believe Aruba may have selected a willing sacrificial lamb to take the fall and ... accountability will begin and end with that lamb and it will be afforded as an appeasement offering to the family of Natalee Holloway ... an appeasement offering to silence the mother of Natalee Holloway.

However ... the crab/trap is where my focus is and ... I am going to give it my all.  If the family of Natalee Holloway can have a measure of closure knowing the truth ... the truth that their beloved's remains could possibly have been place in that crab/trap ... Tamikosmom will call it quits.

I am tired.

Janet



I understand what your saying Janet.Just knowing who was there from beginning to the Persistence is interesting.I have not lost focus just find the dynamics interesting.We may get tired but always re-energize.I stand with the FROG ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 13, 2009, 10:02:39 PM
This is interesting, a Joshua Koch is on the board of Superior Offshore, wonder if he is any kin to David Koch of Aruba?:

On August 20, 2007, James J. Mermis, President and Chief Executive Officer of Superior Offshore International, Inc. (the "Company"), Roger D. Burks, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of the Company, R. Joshua Koch, Jr., Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary of the Company, and John F. Guarisco, Chief Administrative Officer-Louisiana Operations of the Company, each entered into individual written sales plans (each, a "Plan") pursuant to the guidance specified by Rule 10b5-1 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

link to this article is:  http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070821/deepq.pk8-k.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 10:03:42 PM
Off to get flies.

ribbit


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 13, 2009, 10:04:26 PM
This is interesting, a Joshua Koch is on the board of Superior Offshore, wonder if he is any kin to David Koch of Aruba?:

On August 20, 2007, James J. Mermis, President and Chief Executive Officer of Superior Offshore International, Inc. (the "Company"), Roger D. Burks, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of the Company, R. Joshua Koch, Jr., Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary of the Company, and John F. Guarisco, Chief Administrative Officer-Louisiana Operations of the Company, each entered into individual written sales plans (each, a "Plan") pursuant to the guidance specified by Rule 10b5-1 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

link to this article is:  http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070821/deepq.pk8-k.html
Well, he IS an attorney!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2009, 10:31:29 PM
This is interesting, a Joshua Koch is on the board of Superior Offshore, wonder if he is any kin to David Koch of Aruba?:

On August 20, 2007, James J. Mermis, President and Chief Executive Officer of Superior Offshore International, Inc. (the "Company"), Roger D. Burks, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of the Company, R. Joshua Koch, Jr., Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary of the Company, and John F. Guarisco, Chief Administrative Officer-Louisiana Operations of the Company, each entered into individual written sales plans (each, a "Plan") pursuant to the guidance specified by Rule 10b5-1 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

link to this article is:  http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070821/deepq.pk8-k.html

I found this also recently in my research and wondered the same.....I gave it up thinking I have a good friend who married someone with the same surname many years ago....dunno....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 10:33:02 PM
This is interesting, a Joshua Koch is on the board of Superior Offshore, wonder if he is any kin to David Koch of Aruba?:

On August 20, 2007, James J. Mermis, President and Chief Executive Officer of Superior Offshore International, Inc. (the "Company"), Roger D. Burks, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of the Company, R. Joshua Koch, Jr., Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary of the Company, and John F. Guarisco, Chief Administrative Officer-Louisiana Operations of the Company, each entered into individual written sales plans (each, a "Plan") pursuant to the guidance specified by Rule 10b5-1 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

link to this article is:  http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070821/deepq.pk8-k.html

http://www.oilandgasinvestor.com/executiveStockTrades/detailTrans.php?ticker=&compIn=form4&trader=Joshua%20Koch



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 10:42:02 PM
This is interesting, a Joshua Koch is on the board of Superior Offshore, wonder if he is any kin to David Koch of Aruba?:

On August 20, 2007, James J. Mermis, President and Chief Executive Officer of Superior Offshore International, Inc. (the "Company"), Roger D. Burks, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of the Company, R. Joshua Koch, Jr., Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary of the Company, and John F. Guarisco, Chief Administrative Officer-Louisiana Operations of the Company, each entered into individual written sales plans (each, a "Plan") pursuant to the guidance specified by Rule 10b5-1 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

link to this article is:  http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070821/deepq.pk8-k.html

The spelling is not the same Koch/Kock.

http://www.dkwlegal.com/english/lawyersEN.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 13, 2009, 10:46:39 PM
In looking through the google search for Superior Offshore, lots of information on their financial problems.  All of this was before, during and after Natalee.  Was this trip an adventure to make money, either from this adventure of finding Natalee or in my mind worse yet from the Aruban island.  Did this find go to the highest bidder?  Would have helped if they got a BIG job out of this trip.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 13, 2009, 10:49:34 PM
This is interesting, a Joshua Koch is on the board of Superior Offshore, wonder if he is any kin to David Koch of Aruba?:

On August 20, 2007, James J. Mermis, President and Chief Executive Officer of Superior Offshore International, Inc. (the "Company"), Roger D. Burks, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of the Company, R. Joshua Koch, Jr., Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary of the Company, and John F. Guarisco, Chief Administrative Officer-Louisiana Operations of the Company, each entered into individual written sales plans (each, a "Plan") pursuant to the guidance specified by Rule 10b5-1 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

link to this article is:  http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070821/deepq.pk8-k.html

The spelling is not the same Koch/Kock.

http://www.dkwlegal.com/english/lawyersEN.html


DETAILS!!!!  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2009, 10:50:08 PM
In looking through the google search for Superior Offshore, lots of information on their financial problems.  All of this was before, during and after Natalee.  Was this trip an adventure to make money, either from this adventure of finding Natalee or in my mind worse yet from the Aruban island.  Did this find go to the highest bidder?  Would have helped if they got a BIG job out of this trip.

Some of us have had similar thoughts. Blue Moon.

Texasmom, Spelling..maybe that's why I gave up that thought...Koch/Kock...same - O.....I read so much my head goes round and round. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 10:53:41 PM
In looking through the google search for Superior Offshore, lots of information on their financial problems.  All of this was before, during and after Natalee.  Was this trip an adventure to make money, either from this adventure of finding Natalee or in my mind worse yet from the Aruban island.  Did this find go to the highest bidder?  Would have helped if they got a BIG job out of this trip.

Some of us have had similar thoughts. Blue Moon.

Texasmom, Spelling..maybe that's why I gave up that thought...Koch/Kock...same - O.....I read so much my head goes round and round. 

It is confusing because I've seen it spelled both ways in reading so much about the case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 13, 2009, 10:55:14 PM
This is interesting, a Joshua Koch is on the board of Superior Offshore, wonder if he is any kin to David Koch of Aruba?:

On August 20, 2007, James J. Mermis, President and Chief Executive Officer of Superior Offshore International, Inc. (the "Company"), Roger D. Burks, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of the Company, R. Joshua Koch, Jr., Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary of the Company, and John F. Guarisco, Chief Administrative Officer-Louisiana Operations of the Company, each entered into individual written sales plans (each, a "Plan") pursuant to the guidance specified by Rule 10b5-1 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

link to this article is:  http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070821/deepq.pk8-k.html

The spelling is not the same Koch/Kock.

http://www.dkwlegal.com/english/lawyersEN.html


DETAILS!!!!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I did a google search for David Kock before I posted this.  I found his name spelled both ways.  Go figure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 10:55:51 PM
In looking through the google search for Superior Offshore, lots of information on their financial problems.  All of this was before, during and after Natalee.  Was this trip an adventure to make money, either from this adventure of finding Natalee or in my mind worse yet from the Aruban island.  Did this find go to the highest bidder?  Would have helped if they got a BIG job out of this trip.

Some of us have had similar thoughts. Blue Moon.

Texasmom, Spelling..maybe that's why I gave up that thought...Koch/Kock...same - O.....I read so much my head goes round and round. 

It is confusing because I've seen it spelled both ways in reading so much about the case.

And he may spell it differently at his office in Bogata, Colombia...wouldn't surprise me.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 10:55:59 PM
In looking through the google search for Superior Offshore, lots of information on their financial problems.  All of this was before, during and after Natalee.  Was this trip an adventure to make money, either from this adventure of finding Natalee or in my mind worse yet from the Aruban island.  Did this find go to the highest bidder?  Would have helped if they got a BIG job out of this trip.

Do we have the backgrounds on those involved in the lawsuit with superior offshore?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 10:57:57 PM
Blonde

Can you provide a link to images of that National Enquired article that was most likely posted on the SM site.

I never did see that article.  I meant to buy it but ... cannot remember why it never happened.

Thanks

Janet


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1050.msg138541;topicseen#msg138541

Thanks 2NJSons_Mom.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 10:58:03 PM
In looking through the google search for Superior Offshore, lots of information on their financial problems.  All of this was before, during and after Natalee.  Was this trip an adventure to make money, either from this adventure of finding Natalee or in my mind worse yet from the Aruban island.  Did this find go to the highest bidder?  Would have helped if they got a BIG job out of this trip.

Do we have the backgrounds on those involved in the lawsuit with superior offshore?



Here's a Leon Codron?Don't know if it's the same from the Securities litigation.

Leon Codron, 49
Bachelor of Science, Business Administration, Magna cum Laude, United States International University; Master of Business Administration, Marketing & Management, United States International University.


Mr Codron was appointed Executive Director and Chief Executive Officer of Singapore Petroleum Company Limited on 21 August 2000.


Since his appointment as Chief Executive Officer, he has set a vision for Singapore Petroleum Company Limited to become a strong and integrated oil and gas company with a premium regional brand in Asia. Along with this vision, is a defined strategy with a series of promising initiatives to move Singapore Petroleum Company Limited to become a significant energy player in the Asian market place.


Mr Codron was with ARCO International, a former Fortune 150 company, now part of British Petroleum. He was with ARCO since 1981 and held several key positions in the company rising to the position of President, ARCO Indonesia Inc. He left ARCO in August 2000. He also served as a member of the Economic Review Committee’s Sub-Committee on Trading in 2002.


Currently, he is the Chairman and Director of Singapore Petroleum Upstream Co. Pte Ltd, Singapore Petroleum Venture Pte Ltd and Singapore Petroleum Co (Hong Kong) Ltd and Director of Singapore Refining Company Pte Ltd.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 13, 2009, 10:58:17 PM
I don't believe Hotshot has answered why Eduardo Mansur was on board that ship the whole time.  I think I saw today where Jen said he was not on the ship according to Kyle.  Wonder which it is, was he or was he not on the ship the whole time.  According to Hotshot Jossy said he was.  If Jossy says he was I would like to see what Jossy has to say he told him about what went on during those dive/recovery trips.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 13, 2009, 11:00:07 PM
This is interesting, a Joshua Koch is on the board of Superior Offshore, wonder if he is any kin to David Koch of Aruba?:

On August 20, 2007, James J. Mermis, President and Chief Executive Officer of Superior Offshore International, Inc. (the "Company"), Roger D. Burks, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of the Company, R. Joshua Koch, Jr., Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary of the Company, and John F. Guarisco, Chief Administrative Officer-Louisiana Operations of the Company, each entered into individual written sales plans (each, a "Plan") pursuant to the guidance specified by Rule 10b5-1 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

link to this article is:  http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070821/deepq.pk8-k.html

The spelling is not the same Koch/Kock.

http://www.dkwlegal.com/english/lawyersEN.html


DETAILS!!!!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I did a google search for David Kock before I posted this.  I found his name spelled both ways.  Go figure.
Just kidding -- I have seen it both ways myself! "Koch" is usually pronounced "coke". I think the Aruban lawyer is pronounced "male rooster".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 11:03:28 PM
In looking through the google search for Superior Offshore, lots of information on their financial problems.  All of this was before, during and after Natalee.  Was this trip an adventure to make money, either from this adventure of finding Natalee or in my mind worse yet from the Aruban island.  Did this find go to the highest bidder?  Would have helped if they got a BIG job out of this trip.

Some of us have had similar thoughts. Blue Moon.

Texasmom, Spelling..maybe that's why I gave up that thought...Koch/Kock...same - O.....I read so much my head goes round and round. 

It is confusing because I've seen it spelled both ways in reading so much about the case.

And he may spell it differently at his office in Bogota, Colombia...wouldn't surprise me.   ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 11:05:18 PM
I don't believe Hotshot has answered why Eduardo Mansur was on board that ship the whole time.  I think I saw today where Jen said he was not on the ship according to Kyle.  Wonder which it is, was he or was he not on the ship the whole time.  According to Hotshot Jossy said he was.  If Jossy says he was I would like to see what Jossy has to say he told him about what went on during those dive/recovery trips.

My understanding was that Eduardo was the leader of the Aruban Dive Team.  Why he would be on board the Persistence every day is beyond me.

Janet

++++++

Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #173 on: January 04, 2009, 02:37:49 PM »


Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.

Take care
 
Jossy

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg611967#msg611967



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 11:10:56 PM
I don't believe Hotshot has answered why Eduardo Mansur was on board that ship the whole time.  I think I saw today where Jen said he was not on the ship according to Kyle.  Wonder which it is, was he or was he not on the ship the whole time.  According to Hotshot Jossy said he was.  If Jossy says he was I would like to see what Jossy has to say he told him about what went on during those dive/recovery trips.


And even though Jossy's letter said he was on the ship every day; according to Kyle....he WASN'T on the ship on January 7th when the evidence was bagged and taken.   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Plus Jossy said Eduardo told him "the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared."  But Mos says the cage from the fisherman's huts wasn't missing!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 13, 2009, 11:11:55 PM
I don't believe Hotshot has answered why Eduardo Mansur was on board that ship the whole time.  I think I saw today where Jen said he was not on the ship according to Kyle.  Wonder which it is, was he or was he not on the ship the whole time.  According to Hotshot Jossy said he was.  If Jossy says he was I would like to see what Jossy has to say he told him about what went on during those dive/recovery trips.

My understanding was that Eduardo was the leader of the Aruban Dive Team.  Why he would be on board the Persistence every day is beyond me.

Janet

++++++

Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #173 on: January 04, 2009, 02:37:49 PM »


Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.

Take care
 
Jossy

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg611967#msg611967



O.K. I'm confused.  I thought Eduardo was co-founder of the Aruba Search and Rescue Team and the team on the ship was the police team.  Is this one and the same?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 11:14:43 PM
I don't believe Hotshot has answered why Eduardo Mansur was on board that ship the whole time.  I think I saw today where Jen said he was not on the ship according to Kyle.  Wonder which it is, was he or was he not on the ship the whole time.  According to Hotshot Jossy said he was.  If Jossy says he was I would like to see what Jossy has to say he told him about what went on during those dive/recovery trips.

My understanding was that Eduardo was the leader of the Aruban Dive Team.  Why he would be on board the Persistence every day is beyond me.

Janet

++++++

Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #173 on: January 04, 2009, 02:37:49 PM »


Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.

Take care
 
Jossy

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg611967#msg611967



O.K. I'm confused.  I thought Eduardo was co-founder of the Aruba Search and Rescue Team and the team on the ship was the police team.  Is this one and the same?

I don't think so, and would hope not; but who really knows?  I have been told that they aren't the same but have found no proof of that so my bag of salt remains with that detail.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 13, 2009, 11:15:21 PM
I don't believe Hotshot has answered why Eduardo Mansur was on board that ship the whole time.  I think I saw today where Jen said he was not on the ship according to Kyle.  Wonder which it is, was he or was he not on the ship the whole time.  According to Hotshot Jossy said he was.  If Jossy says he was I would like to see what Jossy has to say he told him about what went on during those dive/recovery trips.


And even though Jossy's letter said he was on the ship every day; according to Kyle....he WASN'T on the ship on January 7th when the evidence was bagged and taken.   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Plus Jossy said Eduardo told him "the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared."  But Mos says the cage from the fisherman's huts wasn't missing!   ::MonkeyConfused::
Don't forget that Caps says she was cut up into pieces at was at the rocks, the pond, the cemetary, and just maybe the cage!  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 11:16:44 PM
I don't believe Hotshot has answered why Eduardo Mansur was on board that ship the whole time.  I think I saw today where Jen said he was not on the ship according to Kyle.  Wonder which it is, was he or was he not on the ship the whole time.  According to Hotshot Jossy said he was.  If Jossy says he was I would like to see what Jossy has to say he told him about what went on during those dive/recovery trips.


And even though Jossy's letter said he was on the ship every day; according to Kyle....he WASN'T on the ship on January 7th when the evidence was bagged and taken.   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Plus Jossy said Eduardo told him "the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared."  But Mos says the cage from the fisherman's huts wasn't missing!   ::MonkeyConfused::
Don't forget that Caps says she was cut up into pieces at was at the rocks, the pond, the cemetary, and just maybe the cage!  ::MonkeyConfused::

Bag of salt or two with that one too.... ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 11:17:19 PM
I don't believe Hotshot has answered why Eduardo Mansur was on board that ship the whole time.  I think I saw today where Jen said he was not on the ship according to Kyle.  Wonder which it is, was he or was he not on the ship the whole time.  According to Hotshot Jossy said he was.  If Jossy says he was I would like to see what Jossy has to say he told him about what went on during those dive/recovery trips.

My understanding was that Eduardo was the leader of the Aruban Dive Team.  Why he would be on board the Persistence every day is beyond me.

Janet

++++++

Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #173 on: January 04, 2009, 02:37:49 PM »


Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.

Take care
 
Jossy

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg611967#msg611967



O.K. I'm confused.  I thought Eduardo was co-founder of the Aruba Search and Rescue Team and the team on the ship was the police team.  Is this one and the same?

You could be right Blue Moon.

I may have got it wrong.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 13, 2009, 11:18:54 PM
I don't believe Hotshot has answered why Eduardo Mansur was on board that ship the whole time.  I think I saw today where Jen said he was not on the ship according to Kyle.  Wonder which it is, was he or was he not on the ship the whole time.  According to Hotshot Jossy said he was.  If Jossy says he was I would like to see what Jossy has to say he told him about what went on during those dive/recovery trips.


And even though Jossy's letter said he was on the ship every day; according to Kyle....he WASN'T on the ship on January 7th when the evidence was bagged and taken.   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Plus Jossy said Eduardo told him "the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared."  But Mos says the cage from the fisherman's huts wasn't missing!   ::MonkeyConfused::
Don't forget that Caps says she was cut up into pieces at was at the rocks, the pond, the cemetary, and just maybe the cage!  ::MonkeyConfused::

Bag of salt or two with that one too.... ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyConfused::
By the way, Caps was VERY gung-ho on the Cemetary theory -- then went 100% to the pond!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 13, 2009, 11:19:32 PM
I guess the point I am making here is IF Eduardo is of the Aruba Search & Rescue and the dive team was from the police team then what was Eduardo doing on board the ship since this would not involve his team at all?  Doesn't make sense to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2009, 11:20:15 PM
Blonde

Can you provide a link to images of that National Enquired article that was most likely posted on the SM site.

I never did see that article.  I meant to buy it but ... cannot remember why it never happened.

Thanks

Janet


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1050.msg138541;topicseen#msg138541

Thanks 2NJSons_Mom.

Janet

You're welcome, Janet.  It may not have been as good as Klaas's response, but I try.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on January 13, 2009, 11:22:23 PM
If anyone finds the money, folks found here may want to know about it.  How much does anyone think may be found?

http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/

The reward for Natalee was $1 million...

Who would pay more than that? 

Casino interests?  Kalpoes?  Aruba 'tourism'?  Moneylaundering interests on the island?  Hugo?  Russia? 

Kalpoes, what is the amount they are looking for from Phil?  JVDS?  The Hague?


March 1 - RV Persistence announced it is leaving Aruba
March 3 - John meets with Caps
March 3 - Kyle learns that the screen shots he sent to the FBI - the FBI sent to Dave and Dave's wife, Robin posted them on the internet.
March 12 the persistence gets back to Louisiana
March 16 - In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer.
March 18 - Kyle says: "the tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.
March 18 - Caps has spoken to John and John is in contact with Mos
March 18 - Kyle says that it is the pond near the soccer field that Caps is talkinga bout was the one searched by RV Persistence crew
March is when Kyle started asking Freebirds about the boat and the size of boat that it would take to carry a cage like htat.
March 18, 2008, 09:10:45 PM Kyle posts at scared monkeys that he personally
does not feel that we should disregard the trap or its contents until we know how
that trap got there and what the nature of its contents were
MF hasn't posted at RU since 3/17/08
Glenda hasn't posted at RU since 3/19/08
no updates from amigo since 3/20/08
March 20 - private eye posts on SM about the blue denim fabric
March 20 -  Kyle tells PrivateEye to email him fo r further discussion.
March 21 - Kyle went to Johns house and all things Holloway were stripped from the boat he said
ONE WEEK LATER
March 24 - Agent Shipley went to Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond
March 26 CAPS and Dave email each other:
"Beside to what I have heard, the body may be in another place now.  But that is what this person connected to the government is saying not knowing who I am"
March 27 - Kyle emails me that he is going offshore in a day
April 3, 2008 -Posted at BFN
I feel the sites are as safe as they can be. All survey data that was collected, other than what was shared with the authorities, is in our possesion. No data has yet to be released, especially target data......locations

Apr 7 Ocean says he just got asked by Mos through John to expedite the analysis of the pond search and to send a report brief.  Moss is calling for the draining and full search of the pond
KEEPING IN MIND POND WAS FULL OF WATER BACK IN FEB. APRIL MOS WANTS A BRIEF SO HE CAN GET PERMISSION TO DRAIN THE POND, BY MAY THE POND IS COMPLETELY DRY

APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million

APRIL 24,2008 OF ALL OF THE OFFICERS RESIGNED FROM SUPERIOR OFFSHORE COMPANY

APRIL 25,2008 THEY ANNOUNCED FILING A CHAPTER 11 BANKRUPTCY

MAY 5, 2008 = CAPS posts about the pond being roped off


May 8, 2008 = Kyle posts: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.


On May 8, 2008, the Company filed a motion with the Court for authority to sell a

12-Man 300 meter skid-mounted saturation diving system and related

equipment to Global Industries Offshore LLC (“Global”) for a cash payment

of $6,750,000.00

May 17 - Kyle
I need immediate help.

I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.
I also need the information Caps originally posted about the pond search.

CAPS reveals one of his sources
Klaasend:
watch the news of tomorrow on what the comments are today from Hans MOS...He is pisst on the search in Monserat. My bother was telling me that MOS want to know all the detail and how they came about to that area.

May 8, 2008 CAPS posted about his losing a shoe in a pond when he was a kid
Reply #1486

May 15 - Destiny posts at SM that she will have pictures of the drained pond from her *direct* sourse in Aruba.
May 15 - Destiny posts at SM that the photos taken today by Monserat, it is the pond next to the soccer field.

May 17 - Kyle confirms the pond is the Monstrat pond.
May 17 - Kyle needs to know from US who leaked the photos. He states he believes Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand. "Mos knows there is a mole deep within the investigation"
May 17, 2008 - Destiny posted the photos of the pond at SM
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.920
May 17, Kyle sends an email to John Silvetti which he has copied posts from SM of CAPS and Destiny and Klassend and Spock. He is defending himself that
he didn't know who posted the pond pictures at SM.

May 18: The witness went to Helen LeJuez & she set up a meeting for him with Clyde Burke from ALE.

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #846 on: Today at 08:41:58 PM »

Nope....the final and last info as posted above re: size and woman's shoe came from ALE....that roadblock was the end....shoe *was* last in the possesion of ALE  shoe went *poof*....end of story...but NOW...who cares about the shoe....we have new witnesses....that is my focal point....BTW...I will call Mos again tomorrow....will keep you posted....Des
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.840



Stocks sold $152million, Officers resign, Chapter 11 bankruptcy?  Follow the money.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2009, 11:24:01 PM
Actually 2NJ yours was better!  I was too lazy to search SM and decided searching my expansive external hard drive would be easier, which actually it is, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 13, 2009, 11:36:10 PM
Bedtime, got to run. Nite all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2009, 11:36:27 PM
Actually 2NJ yours was better!  I was too lazy to search SM and decided searching my expansive external hard drive would be easier, which actually it is, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can't save much on this dinosaur....still waiting for a new puter...

I'll do the thread change...was just starting to get ready.  OK?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on January 13, 2009, 11:39:43 PM
In looking through the google search for Superior Offshore, lots of information on their financial problems.  All of this was before, during and after Natalee.  Was this trip an adventure to make money, either from this adventure of finding Natalee or in my mind worse yet from the Aruban island.  Did this find go to the highest bidder?  Would have helped if they got a BIG job out of this trip.

jmho - I think Offshore started dropping before the search.  They are currently trading for less than a dollar...pennies...

I don't think a "BIG job" would have helped.

imho

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=DEEPQ.PK


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on January 13, 2009, 11:39:56 PM
Just an aside, it appears to me (an outsider) when it comes to CAPS that perhaps his entire intent was to distract and deflect all over again. I have yet to hear of one bonafide insight or result or impact toward solving this case that rolled off his fingertips or lips.

CAPS if you are reading you did wreak a fair amount of havoc and damage with a significant ripple effect. If you were here, regardless of "who" you supposedly are, I expect I'd be tempted to push you over an edge or two !

Carry on, sorry but I just had to post how ridiculous it is that after ALL these years of searching for Natalee that some still forget Aruba disappeared Natalee, Aruba covered it up, Aruba allowed her to be murdered with no justice. If CAPS is in bed with Clyde well there is no doubt in my mind where CAP's allegiances lie.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 11:43:49 PM
EDUARDO MANSUR

1.  THE GARDENER

NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for July 26, 2005, CNNHN
Aired July 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


JOSSY MANSUR: That is correct, because we were searching for him for three- and-a-half weeks after we heard the rumor about the domino game in prison. And then we wanted to know his identity. And we searched and searched with a team that we have investigating this, Eduardo Mansur (ph) and (INAUDIBLE) and they finally found him last Friday.

And they did a lot of talking to him and reassured him that the paper will stand behind him, as well as nothing the police -- the police aren`t going to do anything to him. So he was finally convinced to go to the police.

He went at 7:00 at night. And he laid off his sworn testimony and signed it that same night.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Disappearance
Missing White Female
Vanity Fair
by Bryan Burrough
January 2006


The Mansur "investigative team," including Wood, Eduardo Mansur, and other Mansur employees and family friends, began holding nightly strategy sessions at the team's de facto headquarters: Hooters. One night they were inside poring over rumors when a Mansur cousin's teenage son suddenly blurted out, "I know Cumpa! He's my uncle's gardener!"

The boy hopped in Eduardo Mansur's truck and led Wood to a large seaside home owned by Jossy Mansur's cousin Eric Mansur, a wealthy importer. Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned.

According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on.

Carlos reluctantly climbed into Wood's truck and allowed himself to be driven to police headquarters. He disappeared inside for four hours.

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=7


2.  THE SEARCH EFFORT

NANCY GRACE
Attorneys for chief suspect Joran Van Der Sloot`s appear to stall for time in the Natalee Holloway investigation on Aruba, as volunteer search teams begin to squabble and one even threatens a lawsuit against another.
Aired August 17, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


JIM KNOX, COAST TO COAST CANINE SEARCH: Well, when it happens, it happens. But Equusearch -- the fact is, I believe that they sent, like, 70 people overall in and out to Aruba to aid in this search. They did a lot of quality work. They did a lot of work that we were -- I mean, we were sick on Monday when we went to the dump, and after all the work they did there at the dump, and after a local citizen, Eduardo Mansur, who spent his own money hiring the backhoes to dig the hole where the witness said that he saw the blond hair and the wading pool being buried at the dump  -- two weeks` work, and it took us two days to get a permit to go into the dump and...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/17/ng.01.html


3.  LEAKED CONFESSION

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for August 12
updated 7:18 a.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 15, 2005


COSBY:  AWell, this allegation could be a bombshell, but some of the language is not so crystal clear.  Here‘s part of what the “Diario” newspaper there in Aruba is reporting, what Joran Van Der Sloot said to police.  Now, when Joran was listed—he‘s listed here as JAP.  You can see it there.  He was asked what happened between Natalee Holloway and Deepak Kalpoe.  Quote, it says, “He declared that he thought that the suspect, D. Kalpoe, raped and killed the girl”—some pretty stern (ph) language.

I‘m going to read it to you again.  He says he thought that D. Kalpoe had declared that he had thought that he had—that the suspect, D.  Kalpoe, had raped and killed the girl.  Again, there‘s some conditioning in the language there.

And joining me now from Aruba, Eduardo Mansur with the “Diario” newspaper.  Eduardo, how did you get this document, to begin with?

EDUARDO MANSUR, “DIARIO”:  OK, outside of the newspaper, we have a mailbox that people bring us all kinds of information, and they dropped it in there.

COSBY:  Do you believe it‘s credible?  Do you believe it‘s legitimate?

MANSUR:  Oh, yes.  It‘s got signatures of four detectives, whom I know, so we know it‘s credible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8959602




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 11:44:40 PM
I guess the point I am making here is IF Eduardo is of the Aruba Search & Rescue and the dive team was from the police team then what was Eduardo doing on board the ship since this would not involve his team at all?  Doesn't make sense to me.

It doesn't make sense to me either.  Unless he was there to help "develop" the relationships that Kyle described to us between the Persistence crew, ALE, Coast Guard, and everything else in Aruba's interest.  Or possibly to keep those "not" on board the ship informed of all activites?  JMO

http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/

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Sun 27-Jan 2355 hrs
The Persistence left the dock this morning at 0740 hrs. The 15kt winds out of the east lapped up rather tranquil 2-3ft seas. It's as calm as we've ever seen it offshore here. The Aruba Coast Guard boarded the Persistence for a friendly visit at 0810 hrs this morning. For an hour we shared coffee, traded T-shirts, swapped stories, and showed them our progress. They were extremely impressed by the side scan sonar capabilities and 3-D bathymetric imagery. After a round of hearty hand shakes and a few good pictures, they boarded their approximately 30ft long rigid-hull inflatable boat and pushed off from the Persistence. With a smile they shouted to us, “Would you like a little demonstration?” At once, the Coast Guard took off with a sudden blast from two massive inboard engines. In no time the nimble boat was leaping wave to wave at nearly 40kts. Several times the boat came clear out of the water. It was thrilling not only to watch the playful demonstration, but to watch the trust build and friendships form.




Working with the Aruba police dive division, Coast Guard, and Port Authority has been an astonishing experience. Since December 15th we've established a solid working relationship based on openness and trust. Most of the successful rapport was due to getting the media hype out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder through time. We've helped each other however and whenever we can. They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to ascertain the relationships and bonds. Although highly skeptical and suspecting in the beginning, it's clear we're all carefully and diligently working towards a common goal. It seems we share the same attitudes of integrity, courage, dedication, and hope. We’ve all struck an accord in the desire for closure and healing for the families involved and restoring the relationship between our beloved countries.


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 13, 2009, 11:47:20 PM
Just a couple comments before bed:

After looking at pictures, we decided it was not Comemencia on the Persistence.

Jossy's brother is not on the Dairio board.  I believe that Louis is Jossy's son.

Oduber did go after Jossy and called for a  boycott of the paper.  I'm not so sure everyone is afraid of him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2009, 11:48:16 PM
Nonesuche,

Not sure there's an azzhat big enough for my noggin....I tried to follow Caps..   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 11:48:28 PM
EDUARDO MANSUR

1.  THE GARDENER

NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for July 26, 2005, CNNHN
Aired July 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


JOSSY MANSUR: That is correct, because we were searching for him for three- and-a-half weeks after we heard the rumor about the domino game in prison. And then we wanted to know his identity. And we searched and searched with a team that we have investigating this, Eduardo Mansur (ph) and (INAUDIBLE) and they finally found him last Friday.

And they did a lot of talking to him and reassured him that the paper will stand behind him, as well as nothing the police -- the police aren`t going to do anything to him. So he was finally convinced to go to the police.

He went at 7:00 at night. And he laid off his sworn testimony and signed it that same night.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Disappearance
Missing White Female
Vanity Fair
by Bryan Burrough
January 2006


The Mansur "investigative team," including Wood, Eduardo Mansur, and other Mansur employees and family friends, began holding nightly strategy sessions at the team's de facto headquarters: Hooters. One night they were inside poring over rumors when a Mansur cousin's teenage son suddenly blurted out, "I know Cumpa! He's my uncle's gardener!"

The boy hopped in Eduardo Mansur's truck and led Wood to a large seaside home owned by Jossy Mansur's cousin Eric Mansur, a wealthy importer. Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned.

According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on.

Carlos reluctantly climbed into Wood's truck and allowed himself to be driven to police headquarters. He disappeared inside for four hours.

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=7


2.  THE SEARCH EFFORT

NANCY GRACE
Attorneys for chief suspect Joran Van Der Sloot`s appear to stall for time in the Natalee Holloway investigation on Aruba, as volunteer search teams begin to squabble and one even threatens a lawsuit against another.
Aired August 17, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


JIM KNOX, COAST TO COAST CANINE SEARCH: Well, when it happens, it happens. But Equusearch -- the fact is, I believe that they sent, like, 70 people overall in and out to Aruba to aid in this search. They did a lot of quality work. They did a lot of work that we were -- I mean, we were sick on Monday when we went to the dump, and after all the work they did there at the dump, and after a local citizen, Eduardo Mansur, who spent his own money hiring the backhoes to dig the hole where the witness said that he saw the blond hair and the wading pool being buried at the dump  -- two weeks` work, and it took us two days to get a permit to go into the dump and...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/17/ng.01.html


3.  LEAKED CONFESSION

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for August 12
updated 7:18 a.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 15, 2005


COSBY:  AWell, this allegation could be a bombshell, but some of the language is not so crystal clear.  Here‘s part of what the “Diario” newspaper there in Aruba is reporting, what Joran Van Der Sloot said to police.  Now, when Joran was listed—he‘s listed here as JAP.  You can see it there.  He was asked what happened between Natalee Holloway and Deepak Kalpoe.  Quote, it says, “He declared that he thought that the suspect, D. Kalpoe, raped and killed the girl”—some pretty stern (ph) language.

I‘m going to read it to you again.  He says he thought that D. Kalpoe had declared that he had thought that he had—that the suspect, D.  Kalpoe, had raped and killed the girl.  Again, there‘s some conditioning in the language there.

And joining me now from Aruba, Eduardo Mansur with the “Diario” newspaper.  Eduardo, how did you get this document, to begin with?

EDUARDO MANSUR, “DIARIO”:  OK, outside of the newspaper, we have a mailbox that people bring us all kinds of information, and they dropped it in there.

COSBY:  Do you believe it‘s credible?  Do you believe it‘s legitimate?

MANSUR:  Oh, yes.  It‘s got signatures of four detectives, whom I know, so we know it‘s credible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8959602




That's my concern!The Mansur's must know! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 11:49:07 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Carpes3truthandjusticefornatalee.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 13, 2009, 11:49:19 PM
Just a couple comments before bed:

After looking at pictures, we decided it was not Comemencia on the Persistence.

Jossy's brother is not on the Dairio board.  I believe that Louis is Jossy's son.

Oduber did go after Jossy and called for a  boycott of the paper.  I'm not so sure everyone is afraid of him.
Jossy and Oduber are POLITICAL enemies - nothing more, nothng less.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2009, 11:50:45 PM
Just a couple comments before bed:

After looking at pictures, we decided it was not Comemencia on the Persistence.

Jossy's brother is not on the Dairio board.  I believe that Louis is Jossy's son.

Oduber did go after Jossy and called for a  boycott of the paper.  I'm not so sure everyone is afraid of him.

I could be mistaken but will have to take a second look.I do remember the conversations vaguely.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 13, 2009, 11:51:04 PM
Just a couple comments before bed:

After looking at pictures, we decided it was not Comemencia on the Persistence.

Jossy's brother is not on the Dairio board.  I believe that Louis is Jossy's son.

Oduber did go after Jossy and called for a  boycott of the paper.  I'm not so sure everyone is afraid of him.
Jossy and Oduber are POLITICAL enemies - nothing more, nothng less.

Yes, the politics does seem to be a huge problem, in this case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 13, 2009, 11:51:16 PM
do we need help to 50?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2009, 11:51:57 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
8:50 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 13, 2009, 11:52:18 PM
do we need help to 50?

Probably...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 11:53:15 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
8:50 PM PT

Goodnight Janet, hugs...I'm glad you're back!   ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight Blue Moon, Buckeye, and anyone else I may have missed saying goodnight to.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 13, 2009, 11:53:17 PM
nope!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2009, 11:55:35 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2009, 11:56:15 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/MODLOCK1.gif)


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.msg619701#msg619701


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 13, 2009, 11:56:42 PM
Nut???   ::MonkeyTongue::