Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

I'm a LOST fan myself - so I hope you two don't mind me jumping in here.

I have to agree with the whispers possibly being themselves as they travelled thru time.

I don't believe Locke is "dead", but rather he likely did "die" at some point in time, and once back on the island with Ben, can go back and change that.

I, for one, can't wait to see who Farraday's mother is.  And she's in LA with the rest of them right now...is it the woman from the church who told Ben he only has 70 hours?

I'm bugged that the Oceanic lawyer is also Ben's lawyer.....

I was also thrilled to see Jin!!

Jen...the more the merrier!  I love to hear theories that people come up with.  Some sites on the web have C~R~A~Z~Y theories...but now with the time travel anything is possible! 

I hope Locke isn't dead too.  I'm sure Ben has something up his sleave!LOL.

Faraday's mother will be very interesting.  Is she the lady that held him at gun point at the H bomb 50 years ago?  Is that how she got interested in time travel?  I like your idea she is the same lady from the church. So many questions. 

It's a HUGE conflict that Ben's lawyer is the same as Oceanic's lawyer.  Does this mean that it was Ben that put the fake plane in the water for the searchers to find?   I thought that was Widmore.  I hate that I am not sure who the bad guy is! LOL

It will be interesting to find out how Ben is going to prove to Sun that Jin is still alive.  How does he know that anyway?  I thought he hadn't been back to the island since he left from the Orchid (is that the right station?  I'm starting to confuse them). 

That is exactly what I was thinking!!!  After all, we only have Ben alluding to it having been Widmore who did that.

Yes, you are right - it was the Orchid.  But Ben had to have been back to the island at some point, to get Locke's body.

Your thought on the lady from the 50's holding the gun on Farraday being his mother could be spot on!

I think last season, when Jack was on a plane he was reading an obit that ended up leading him to the funeral home that Locke was in.  Here is a link to the screen cap: 

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/newspaper-through-looking-glass.html

I believe he used a fake name to come back here so no one would get suspicious (?).  The only thing that doesn't jive is it says he is survived by a teenage son, which we know (or think we know) Locke doesn't have.

I could be way off on this. 

I may need to wait for one of New England's wonderful snow storms and have a Lost marathon...beginning to end! LOL. 

Do we know what year it was that Danielle and her crew came to the island?  Wasn't it 17 years before 815 crashed?

And I still can't figure out the whole thing with temporal displacement.  It can't possibly affect people due to the amount of time they've spent on the island.  Look at Richard and Ben as prime examples of that.

Very interesting last night!!!

I had a feeling Hawkins was going to turn out to be Daniel's mother.

And yes - intriguing that she is "helping" Ben.  Or is she, really?  I think I need a refresher course on what we know of her. 

I think that she is "Farraday's mother" seemed like a surprise to Ben when Desmond said it.

I'm getting the impression that Daniel has been a part of all of this for a very, very long time.  He's obviously travelled thru time enough to know Charlotte as a little girl.

The smoke monster and Danielle with her crew - I think that guy with the "Help, I'm hurt" was actually the smoke monster - or whatever that smoke monster does to people to warp their thinking.

I guess I never realized Danielle lost her crew so shortly after arriving - I always thought they died off over time.

I'm wanting to know the same thing you are about when they all return to the island.

Presumably, Locke fixed the warp they were all in, and they're now in 1988 on the island?  And time travel should now stop?

So will those returning also return to 1988?  Or to 3 years after they left the island?

Also wondering who Charlotte's mother is/was?  For her to have been a member of the Dharma initiative I find interesting.

The monk and Daniel's mom??  Please help refresh my memory............was Widmore in the picture at all when Desmond was in the monestary?

But whenever they are - am I right in thinking they are now "stuck" in that time?  Since Locke fixed the wheel and stopped the time jumps?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/thumbnails-1284-page-16.html

It worked!!!  The picture I was talking about is in the 3rd row from the bottom 2nd picture in.  This also the episode that Des meets Penny.

Thanks!!!!!!

So he meets Penny AFTER he leaves the monastery?  And AFTER he's seen that pic of Hawkins on the desk then, right?

Or did he meet her AT the monastery?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Obviously her dad knows Farraday's mom.  Are she and Farraday brother and sister maybe?  I know that's a long shot - but it just occurred to me, so I thought I'd post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Do we know who Penny's mom is?  If Penny and Des met AT the monastery, and that pic of Hawkins was there, could it be that Penny was there to visit her mom?

I'm sorry - I just don't remember the particulars about how they met. ::MonkeyConfused::

Ah that's right - she was buying wine.

Your memory is excellent!!!

I am SO confused about "when" they are!!!

In their last time jump, not only was the Orchid not there yet, neither was the well.

Since it was Dharma who built the Orchid (over the well) - that must mean they are earlier than Dharma, right?

So then how is Jin in a Dharma suit and driving their blue van?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Any thoughts on the brawl they were all apparently in?  They being Kate, Ben and Sayid?

With Kate and Ben being beaten up, Aaron being 'gone', and Sayid being in custody - they all must have had some sort of dust up?

And obviously Hurley talked to someone who told him to re-create the conditions like Hawking told Jack to do - and that's why he brought a guitar (reminiscent of Charlie).

Did anyone catch the date on the picture Jack was looking at in the Lamp post?  I missed it.

Did anyone catch the date on the picture Jack was looking at in the Lamp post?  I missed it.

Page 2...bottom row...is this what you were referring to?

September 23, 1954 - US Army - OP 264 - Top Secret - Eyes Only.

I didn't see your post before I posted.  LOL.

Lets see...I didn't notice Kate was bruised...I just thought she looked crappy.  LOL.

I agree Hurley was briefed on recreating the events as close as they could...but who did it?  Maybe Locke gave him some kind of message prior to his death...or it was Ben.  Hopefully we will find out.

I'm not sure about the date Jack saw...but here are the screen caps...maybe you can find it and fill me in: http://gallery.lost-media.com/thumbnails-1468-page-1.html

My thoughts...

WOW!!  I thought last night's episode was awesome.

At the Church:

I would really like to finally know what Ben knows and what he doesn't.  He lies so much about everything.  Just for once I want a straight answer. LOL.

LOL - I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.

The Dharma "Lamp post" is amazing.  I would still like to know what Dharma is, why they were formed, and by who, but their ideas and research is amazing.  Does Dharma know Ben was part of the "purge" with the Others?  Why would Dharma want to help the person that killed it's people? 

What about the thought that Widmore created Dharma?  Something has to explain his interest in the island, and his funding of Farraday's research.  Maybe he put Dharma together for the purposes of finding that island?

I agree with you - If Hawking is/was a member of Dharma, why is she helping Ben?  Simply to help him help the island?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I wonder what the Island has in store for Desmond!?!

We still don't know WHY the island moves...is it because of all the "energy" that it protects?  Is that how the Black Rock got stranded on the island, because it moved in its way?

I still don't have a clue about this either.  But we learned last night that there are 'areas' like the island all over - with that same energy.  Do they move also?

I wonder how often a "window" opens up.  I would think it would be somewhat frequent if Ben was able to come and go at will on the Sub. 

I was thinking this last night as well.  With Ben apparently being a frequent traveller on/off the island (and Richard too) those windows must be fairly frequent.  And don't forget Michael and Walt - an open window is how they likely were able to leave as well.

It bugs me that Jack said he didn't know Locke killed himself.  I need to go back and reread that "obit" I posted earlier...I could have sworn it said he hanged himself.  I guess Jack forgot in his pill popping haze he was in for so long. 

I totally think Ben knew that he killed himself...just another lie from him.

I also think Ben knew.

Kate...when she showed up at Jack's I was a bit amazed. I didn't think she would give up her freedom and Aaron so easily.  I have to admit...after reading the doc dump about Caylee yesterday the first thought that came into my head was..."oh crap...she killed him"...lol...then I gave myself a mental slap and refocused.  I think that she handed Aaron over to Sawyer's baby's mother.  Remember she met her at the gas station one day selling necklaces and they bonded.  The woman also helped Kate see her mother by distracting the police.  This is the woman that Sawyer conned, who later found out she was pregnant. 

I was thinking that after whatever happened to cause Kate to have a black eye - that she turned Aaron over to his own grandmother?  Claire's mother.

I think before Sawyer jumped out of the helicopter he asked Kate to go see the baby/mother and either tell them something or direct them to some money that he acquired when he conned that guy in jail.  I think Kate never wanted to tell Jack about it because she didn't think that Sawyer would want him to know. 

I think you're probably right on with this!

I would LOVE to know who beat up Ben.  There is a huge list of suspects.  LOL.

My vote is Sayid..... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I loved when Jack was putting on Locke's shoes...I just found that so amusing.  And now we also know why Christian had on tennis shoes when Jack was chasing him on the island.

I also liked how Locke's "suicide letter" found it's way back to Jack.

Very interesting how they all were on the plane.  I want to know how Hurley and Sayid where convinced.  Maybe Sayid was the one who kicked the cookies out of Ben before either agreeing or being taken onto the plane.  I couldn't figure out if he was really in custody or that was just to re-enact how Kate was originally in custody.  The stewardess seemed to know the "marshall".

Good point.  The "custody" thing could be false and his own doing for that exact purpose - or it could have been false and Ben's doing for that exact purpose...

The pilot was funny..."we aren't going to Guam are we"...loved it!!  I wonder what happend to the rest of the passengers and the plane.  I hope they weren't "sacraficed" for the island. 

YES!!!  I got a kick out of seeing Lapedis again!!  I don't think they were sacrificed - it's likely that the 6 just disappeared from the plane and the other passengers just kept on flying to Guam.  Sort of like when the flashes on island occurred?  Everyone but the Oceanic folk just kept right on in their own time...

So...Jack, Kate and Hurley are back. Hopefully Sayid, Ben and Sun had a smooth landing also. 

Jin!  What in the heck was he doing in Dharma get up and van!?!  Are they stuck back in time before the "purge"?  He is going to be p!ssed when he finds out that Locke, in a round-about-way brought her back to the island. 

Yes - they have to be before the purge - because Ben's father was found dead in that van by Hurley and Sawyer later - so no way has the purge happened yet.  Heck - they could be as far back as before Charlotte left the island with her mother, and this is when Daniel will warn her against coming back.

But if that is 'when' they are - I still don't get that neither the well, nor the Orchid exist yet.

OK...I think I covered everything. 

What are your thoughts?

I forgot the link...LOL.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/thumbnails-1468-page-1.html

Well I'll be dipped!  They really DID bring the plane down.

And am I correct in thinking that they are all back in the 1970's?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I wonder why Locke's mention of Eloise Hawking caused Ben to kill him?

And I'm still completely lost as to who the "bad guy" is.

Ben?  Widmore?

And now we know Ben was at the Marina (boat dock) when he was all beat up and couldn't get Locke's body.  Did he kill Penny like he vowed to Widmore he would?  ::MonkeyEek::

Tansinia, where Locke wound up.  That's also the place Charlotte found that polar bear with the Dharma tag, right?

Sad to know Sayid's wife was killed.

I think the room that Sayid found all the passports was behind a bookcase in Ben's house in Othersville. 

I remember Ben being at Nadia's funeral.  Sayid looked up and saw Ben standing there.  For the life of my I can't find the screen cap.  I will try to work on this later...unfortunetly work is crazy today and it's hard for me to think.  LOL.

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

After no new episode last week, I am SO ready for the show tonight!!

You were right!!!!  Who the baby was IS important!

So I wonder how Ethan became an "other"?

I have to say I don't much care for Sawyer's newfound attitude.

I had a feeling the rest of the people from the plane were in a different time.  But I was surprised to see Christian!  I wonder how they'll get back to 1977?  With the wheel being back on track and all?

I'm curious what the preview from next week meant when Sayid said he now knows what he came back for?

Is it to kill Ben as a child?

Wow!!!  I can't believe Sayid actually killed Ben!!  ::MonkeyEek::

Well you were right again!!

Ben didn't die.  I couldn't make out the name Richard said when he took Ben, could you?

Richard said Ben would now be a different person, with no memory, and will forever be one of them.

So I wonder how he got back "in" with Dharma to perform the purge?

I had a feeling that it was Aaron's own grandmother Kate left him with.

I actually have to give kudos to Jack for NOT helping save Ben's life.

And wth is wrong with Kate, Juliette and Sawyer????  Not to mention Jin?

How could any of them want Ben to live to become a man and do all the nasty things he did?!

I wonder if this little stunt will get them kicked out of Dharma?

Well, now we know why Kate went back to the island - for Claire.

We still don't know why Hurley went back, do we?

I wonder what sort of retribution Ben will face?  And will it be at Jacob's hands?  And what rule, exactly, did he break anyway?  Turning the wheel?

Oh!!  And the others mentioned Charles.

Widmore, presumably.

So he was there the first time in 195.....something.  And either still there, or back there, in 1977.

And Richard was keeping secrets from him.....Ben being one of them.  I wonder why?

When Richard took Ben he said he didn't care what Ellie and Charles thought.  Maybe that is why Widmore doesn't like Ben...either because he wasn't consulted on saving him or he is jealous that he is now considered an "other/hostile", which makes Widmore less special?  Possible a sibling rivalry of sorts?  Just throwing stuff out there.

Ellie!!!!!  Thank you, I so missed what name he said.  So Ellie....................Eloise Hawking maybe?  Maybe Widmore is upset because of whatever it took to heal Ben, is what then made him their "leader"?  Could the same be said for Locke?  His legs were healed shortly after the crash?

I will be interesting how Sawer and Kate explain to Dharma about how Ben was saved/healed.  It would seem a little off that Dharma would welcome him, Kate and Sawyer back with open arms knowing he/they were in contact with the others/hostiles.  Since Ben is now an other/hostile it isn't so shocking he participated in the purge.  I would like to see what exactly happended when he was getting healed/saved. 

Him not remembering being shot explains why he wouldn't remember Sayid, which answers Hurley's question.  But will he remember everything else but just not getting shot?  I was confused by that.  By the way...I don't like Miles calling Hurley names.  When Sawyer did it when they first crashed, it bothered me but then eventually it seemed it was his way of showing affection, in a twisted sort of way.  Being more cutesy than rude and mean.

I was confused about what Ben will and won't remember as well.  And if he doesn't remember more than just being shot..................how much more?  Does he remember Dharma at all?  Is that maybe why it's so easy for him to do the purge later?

Miles has always bothered me.  His character just grates on my for some reason, lol.

Did you get the feeling that the scene with Hurley asking questions about time travel and Miles answering was the writers trying to explain it to viewers?  Cause I really needed that explaination.  LOL.  Also when Miles said that they can die in 1977 was that a possible set up for a main charracter to die soon?

I was thinking the exact same thing - it looks like someone is set to die soon!  And yes - I do think Miles and Hurley convo was geared toward educating the viewers.

When Sawyer called Kate Freckles I said "Awwww".

I know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I had a warm fuzzy moment there as well.  But it went away real quick when Sawyer told Kate he was doing this (saving Ben) "for HER" meaning Juliette.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Won't the other Dharma members question why Kate, Jack and Hurley are under "house arrest"? 

Maybe the explanation will be because they are so new?  Obviously they all know it was one of their own who let Sayid out...........so the newbies being under house arrest wouldn't necessarily seem odd, in my mind.

So Jack not helping Ben was always part of the past events.  Otherwise Ben would not have been subjected to whatever made him who he is today.  I was a little surprised that Kate, Sawyer and Juilet were so gung ho about saving him.  Maybe they thought the could change him?  Or maybe they couldn't help to see the innocence of a little boy compared to the evilness of a grown man.  I'm also a little confused on that.

Jack has changed. I liked his interaction with Kate about her not liking the "old Jack".  He seems to embrace the island more than questioning it.  Seems like he has a bit of Locke in him now. 

I like the new Jack much better...............he is giving himself over to the idea of fate.  Wait until he sees Locke alive again, LOL!!

I was totally off about Kate leaving Aaron with Cassidy.  I think you mentioned before about her leaving him with the grandmother...kudos to you!  Do you really think Kate went back for Claire? She hasn't even mentioned trying to look for her.  I kinda thought she was just saying that to make herself look better in the grandmother's eyes.  Also...did she just leave Aaron in the hotel room by himself?  Sleeping or not it was strange. 

Yes - I do think kate went back for Claire.  But not JUST Claire.  I think she feels major guilt now - and losing Aaron in the store was the catalyst for her guilt.  I was bugged by her leaving him alone in the hotel also.

Cassidy was not about to give Sawyer any sort of props for jumping out of the helicopter.  Bitter much?  LOL.  I think Sawyer loves Kate.  I'm still not convinced he feels the same about Juilet that she feels for him or how he feels about Kate.  I think Kate loves Sawyer but I never saw that he broke her heart.  He was willing to stay in "othersville" with her and play house but it was her that left and ran back to Jack and was set on leaving the island with the rest.

You're right - it was Kate who ran from Sawyer back to jack - she didn't get hurt by him.  So yeah, Cassidy's bitterness was just being washed onto Kate - and the weird part is, kate looked like she was buying into it.  BUT - I don't completely dismiss Sawyer's lack of desire to go back home with Kate and live a normal life.

Ben's expression was great when he woke up and saw Locke.  I miss Locke not being in as many shows recently. 

Wasn't that just priceless?!?!

I was thinking...maybe the reason the Island didn't heal Ben's tumor was because he was healed as a child.  Maybe you get one free pass on being healed of a major illness/accident. 

But Locke has had two.  His legs and then after Ben shot him.  Oh......3?  When Ethan shot him during the time flashes?

OK...I have no idea what Ben's punishment will be.  You're might be right...it might be because Jacob told Ben to have Locke move the island but Ben did it.  Or maybe it was because he came back to the island.  When he was looking out at the jungle and said something about something coming out of there I wondered if the smoke monster was going to come and get him.  That would be great! LOL.

But it Jacob (or rather Christian) told Locke to move the island, he didn't tell that to Ben.  Ben just wound up being the one to do it, after Locke told him about it.

So maybe it's because Ben is no longer their "leader", but Locke is, and that is why it's considered he broke the rule by turning the wheel?

What was that thing Richard took Ben into at the end?  Was that the same rock area that took Danielle's friends?  Or was that something different?

And yes - I'm hoping to see the smoke monster again too!!

If Penny is about 30ish then she would be born in the late 70's.  Now that you mention it...where is Widmore during that time. If he is still on the island then that would probably mean that she was born there.  Is it possible that Ellie is her mother?  Could Faraday and Penny be brother and sister?

My guess is that when Widmore finds out about what Richard did it will probably end up leading to Widmore's banishment from the island after some disagreement.  But...he said Ben banished him and Ben being a little boy in the 70's it doesn't make much sense that he would have that power.

Well...true to form...they answered a few questions and created a lot more.

I think Ellie is definitely Eloise.  Eloise and Widmore must be in some kind of power on the island…even though Richard doesn’t answer to them.  LOL.

I do wonder what makes a person a “leader” of the Hostiles.  Maybe Ben being healed somehow made him “reborn” on the island and therefore more important than any other Dharma member.  I also see Locke as being “reborn” on the island.  He was able to live the life he wanted/deserved after his legs healed. 

I wonder if the Others find out who their leader is, simply by whether or not a person is able to be healed by the island?  Ben obviously was - so he became their leader?  Locke was, and then he became their leader?

Ben’s memory wipe could possible explain why/if he doesn’t remember Sawyer, Kate, Hurley, Jack, and Jin when he meets them in 2005.

Yes - that's why I'm leaning toward a total memory wipe.  Dharma, his dad, and the Oceanic folks.  So that all he knows from this point forward are the Others.

I am a bit confused about the healing abilities of the island.  Some people get the benefit of the quick healing and then others are left to die.  I wonder if you have to “deserve” to be healed.  Rose’s (where the heck is she anyway?!? LOL) Cancer was healed and so was Sawyer when he was shot.  But Boone was not after falling off the cliff. 

And also the pregnant women who die...........it's almost like they are punished in a way by the island?

LOL - I was wondering about Rose and her husband last week.............Bernard, isn't it?  Weren't they part of the group that were leaving the island?  IIRC, they didn't want to stay with Locke.  But I don't remember seeing them being ferried to the freighter.  So would that mean they were still on the beach with the rest of the people who hadn't yet been ferried?  Still there when the freighter blew?  ::MonkeyConfused::

You know…I totally blocked out Sawyer saying he was doing it for “her”.  Grrr…Juliet. 

Your right…them being new would probably explain to the other Dharma members why they are separated from the rest. 

If Jack thought he was going crazy when he saw his dad in Season 1…he will totally flip when he sees Locke!  That will be awesome.  I also hope at some point he sees his father again.  That would be great if they were able to talk.

I totally forgot that Christian/Jacob told Locke to move the island and not Ben to tell Locke to do it.  Thanks. :)

I think Richard took Ben into the Temple.  I don’t know if that was where Danielle’s friend lost his arm, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was.

Thanks - I couldn't tell what that place was.

I want to know more about Faraday and what happened to him.  I wonder if he went off the deep end seeing Charlotte and possibly trying to convince her or her mother to leave and not come back.  If Eloise is such a force with the Hostiles maybe he is with them, if she is still on the island in 1977.  But that wouldn't work since she is Eloise of 1977 not Eloise of the present that knows who Faraday is.  AHHH...time travel still confuses me...even after Miles' lesson.  LOL.

Hmmmm Farraday.......

I'm wondering if he wasn't born on the island.  Keep in mind, Eloise is not there anymore either.  Was she banished as well?  Could it all be as simple as she and Widmore's son (Daniel?) was to be Widmore's successor on the island, and Ben's arrival with the Others put a damper in that plan?  Furthered by him banishing (all 3?  4 with Penny?) from it? 

I think Eloise could still be on the island in 1977 - and still be the Eloise in CA now.  We haven't yet seen her on the island, which likely means she hasn't seen Farraday there in 1977 either.  I'm still thinking Farraday left on the sub at some point after they joined Dharma.

Side Note:  I am still confused about how Ben got Locke’s father to the island.  Ben referred to the “box” but what exactly is that?

I can only guess that Ben left the island thru a "window" and came back bringing Locke's dad with him.  No idea on the box though....

I'm also eager to see when/where/how/why Desmond comes back.  The island is not finished with him......

Hmm............I wonder if it might have something to do with family?  Penny and their son?  Being descendants of Widmore and therefore potential "leaders"?

I am a bit confused about the healing abilities of the island.  Some people get the benefit of the quick healing and then others are left to die.  I wonder if you have to “deserve” to be healed.  Rose’s (where the heck is she anyway?!? LOL) Cancer was healed and so was Sawyer when he was shot.  But Boone was not after falling off the cliff. 

More people that were killed on the island and not healed.......

Some of the Others.

All those people from the other end of the plane with Ana Lucia's group.

Danielle's friends.

Last night's episode was not one of my favorites.  It seemed to drag a bit.  Regardless...here are my thoughts:

Miles:  I am assuming he was born on the island.  If so...that is very interesting.  I wonder when the island stopped allowing births of children conceived on the island.  I liked when he say his dad at the end tending to him.  So sweet.  I wonder why he and his mother left the island.  I think it might have something to do with the hatch and its built up energy.

Remember, Ethan was born on the island too..........and that was before Miles was born.  So in 1977 child birth was still ok....

And then there was Alex.  She was born on the island years after both of them.  So I wonder where Ethan and Miles' moms were when they conceived?  That might still be the problem.  Remember Juliette had told Sun that if her baby was conceived before they crashed, then she and it would be fine - but if it was conceived after they crashed - then there would be survival problems.

And we know Danielle conceived before she arrived................

And I think you're right - I think Miles and his mom were sent off the island by his dad because of the hatch and the energy.

The Hatch:  I think something major with happen with building the hatch.  Wasn't there an "incident" that Dr. Candle referred to in the video.  I bet it has something to do with the energy from the hatch causing huge problems.  Obviously it has already started by killing the worker guy by shooting his filling thru his brain.  Ouch...what a way to go! LOL.  I'm guessing this is why the button has to be pushed every 108 minutes. 

I'm starting to think they tried to harness the island's energy with equipment in the hatch - and that is what started causing all the problems?  Something went terribly wrong with it?  And that's the reason for pushing the button?  Because remember when they stopped pushing it - there was that big electromagnetic burst.........and then everything was fine.

Hurley:  He talks to dead people too! LOL.  What an insightful conversation he had with Miles about his dad.  I love Hurley. 

LOL - I must say I got a big kick out of the whole Star Wars analogy he used with Miles!

Dead Guy in the Kitchen:  HOLY ANSWERS BATMAN!!!  So Widmore was responsbile for setting up the fake plane to deter search parties from looking for survivors.  WOW.

OK hang on.............this must have been when I was on the phone.  PLEASE SHARE!!!!!!!

Sawyer:  ::cue music:: dum dum dummmmmm.  I don't think this is going to end well.

I see Sawyer starting to turn to Jack for more and more help in the near future, LOL.  Now that things are hot and heavy, he's not going to be able to handle it.  And just where in the world was he, anyway?  He disappeared for hours after Kate made it back.

Kate:  Jeez Kate...mind your own business! 

Yeah - Kate is trying to do the right thing, but is making problems for everyone.

Juliet:  I wonder how long she worked on that "sorry I just steped out" performance. 

She did seem quite calm and collected, didn't she?  She's used to deception.

PREVIEWS:

Yippee...Faraday!!!  (I wish my computer allowed me to insert monkey faces because I would do a whole row of the jumping one.)

Your thoughts....

I'm totally baffled about Farraday.  Horace seemed to not know who he was when he told miles it was a scientist arriving on the sub.

So how did Farraday leave the island 3 years prior?  Certainly not on the Dharma sub?  And he obviously wasn't known to Horace when the rest of them were...............so where did he go?

PREVIEWS:

Yippee...Faraday!!!  (I wish my computer allowed me to insert monkey faces because I would do a whole row of the jumping one.)

Your thoughts....

I'm totally baffled about Farraday.  Horace seemed to not know who he was when he told miles it was a scientist arriving on the sub.

So how did Farraday leave the island 3 years prior?  Certainly not on the Dharma sub?  And he obviously wasn't known to Horace when the rest of them were...............so where did he go?

Miles walks over to the man. He closes his eyes and concentrates. "His name's Felix. He was on his way to deliver something to, uh, a guy named Widmore."

"Deliver what?"

"A bunch of papers, photos, pictures of empty graves, a purchase order for an old airplane." Miles puts his head in his hands.

I agree - it sounds like Widmore is simply gathering the proof of a big hoax having been pulled of by Ben. 

The airplane - obviously the one in the sea.

The pics of empty graves - where the bodies were taken from that were placed in the plane in the water.

Naomi looks impressed.

"So," Miles says, "Did I pass?"

"I'm leading an expedition to an island. And on the island is a man that will be very difficult to find. That's why I need you."

"Need me for what?"

"This island has a number of deceased individuals residing on it. And as this man was the one responsible for them being deceased, we believe that you can supply valuable information as to his whereabouts."

Obviously the man they are looking for is Ben, as we learned previously.

So this is saying Ben is the responsible person for the "deceased individuals" being deceased.

Now - does she mean the Dharma people?  But they're not "residing" on the island.

Or does she mean the Oceanic people?  Because they are in fact residing on it, and are only perpetuated as being deceased due to his hoax.

BUT - if it's the Oceanic people - then why do they need Miles?  He talks to dead people, and Widmore knows they are alive.

And why would they need Miles to talk to dead people to find Ben anyway?  That's just odd.

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Then I forgot this part:

Miles was "kidnapped" after agreeing to go on the mission.  He was thrown into a van and the van people tried to convince him not to go on the mission.  He said he wouldn't go if he was paid double and the guy said they won't pay him anything.  He did say that if he didn't go Miles would find out all about his dad.

I saw this part - that's the folks I was referring to when I posted about more people on the "what lies at the shadow of the statue".

I didn't however catch that Bram is now on the island.....

I somehow don't think either Bram or that woman are working for Ben.  Remember Ceasar was with them, and he had to ask Locke who Ben was while he was unconscious.

And Ben shot the other guy.....

Yeah - just what we need even more questions now than normal, and having to wait 2 weeks!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

***But Faraday was in the Dharma camp at some point before he disappeared.  He was with Sawyer and the others when they came upon Ethan's mother.  Remember...he saw Charlotte as a little girl in the Dharma camp.  Horace must have met him at some point.  Maybe he didn't know who specifically was coming on the sub or to him more scientists are just that more scientists, not worth his time.***


And then more people going on about the "what lies at the foot of the statue".  And they used strong arm tactics with Miles as well - but then tried to be all friendly with him, playing that they were "the good guys".
 ::MonkeyConfused::

Yeah - I remember Farraday being there and seeing Charlotte.  I just also remember we never saw him after that.  ::MonkeyConfused::  So who knows?  You could be right and Horace just wasn't concerned about precisely who the scientist was.

LOL - I don't think the guys in the van are the good guys either.  But neither do I think they are working for either Widmore or Ben.

So who else could be out there that's wanting to uncover a secret of the island?  One that we've never even heard about before.

I think I might start going batty trying to keep all of this straight, LOL.

I'll betcha it will turn out that Richard knows who they are!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeay!!!  At least I won't be alone in the loony bin!!  ::MonkeyWink::

And yeah - it's a good possibility that Richard is the key to everything.

Where in the world did he come from, anyway?  How come he never ages?

Is HE Jacob?  ::MonkeyEek::

Obviously Richard is the guy who cultivated Widmore.  He's also the guy who cultivated Ben.

Then he was also the one who cultivated Locke.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

so what are your thoughts about what lies in the shadow of the statue??  I think it's a reference to the Colossus of Rhodes, and we know we've seen the statue broken off above the ankle and I think we have seen it there on the island intact, although I can't find where. The statue was supposed to have the land and the sea in it's shadow, it was the mouth of the harbor, what meaning can this have as to, do you know what lies in the shadow?

so what are your thoughts about what lies in the shadow of the statue??  I think it's a reference to the Colossus of Rhodes, and we know we've seen the statue broken off above the ankle and I think we have seen it there on the island intact, although I can't find where. The statue was supposed to have the land and the sea in it's shadow, it was the mouth of the harbor, what meaning can this have as to, do you know what lies in the shadow?

Hello Maureen and welcome to our "Lost" corner. 

I have a lot of opinions on this show...but the statue stumps me.  I looked up the Colossus of Rhodes and I am still stumped.  I would love to know what lies in the shadow of the statue...but I can't even imagine what that would be.  I imagine it has to have something to do with the "Hostiles".  Is their Temple around there? 

Jen's link to the lostpedia site is helpful, but doesn't answer much. 

I think Jen might be right...Richard is the answer to everything. 

A thought to ponder...what if Sun and Ben were not pulled from the plane because neither of them had pure/innocent reasons for returning to the island.  We know that nothing Ben does is pure/innocent and Sun went back only to find Jin, which could be seen as selfish.  Jack, Kate and Hurley went back to help the ones left behind and Sayid didn't have a choice. 

Regarding the fake plane...last night's episode confirmed it was Widmore that planted it.  Last week I thought there was still a chance that Ben did it...I got that one wrong! ::MonkeyNoNo::

I checked this out, which attempts to put the events of the rescue and beyond in order...but I still feel something is off with Jack's time line.  I guess I am getting to nit-picky and should just enjoy the show! ::MonkeyHaHa::
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline:2005_and_beyond

One more week until Faraday!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I didn't get to watch last night!!!! ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

No PLEASE tell me what happened!!!!!!!

I'll go insane waiting until next week - and they might not even air it again!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!

OK - I just watched it online.

HOLY CRAP!!!!

So - Daniel IS Widmore's son, and Penny's half brother.

Did he actually die when his mom shot him???

I'm glad you saw it...me explaining it wouldn't have done it justice...especially since I am having a lot of trouble wrapping my mind around it.  ::MonkeyConfused:: 

So ya...PaPa Widmore and MaMa Hawkins...what a pair.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I still have A LOT of question, such as...

How/why/when did Faraday leave the island?

Since Dr Chang recognized him when he came back, obviously he was there in1975 for long enough to be remembered.  So I'm guessing he left on the sub at some point - and as he told Miles, he has been in Ann Arbor at the Dharma headquarters this whole time.

How did he get a picture of the Losties off the island just days after it was taken? It kinda of looked like a copy or fax, which I don't think they had in 1977 (I could be wrong since I was only 3 in 1977 and I was preoccupied with Sesame Street.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )  Since the sub only leaves once and a while, how did that picture get off the island so fast? 

Remember Sun, Locke, and Christian all saw that pic in 2005 as well.  My guess? Daniel has been time hopping.......somehow.  And that pic he had was from the 2005 copy that was left where Sun and Locke found it.

Where is 1977 Daniel opposed to 2005 Daniel? 

1975 - 1977 Daniel (according to what he told Miles) was in Ann Arbor, after leaving the island.  2005 - Daniel is all messed up in the head from having tried his 'experiment' on himself before he tried it on Theresa - and it somehow screwed up his memory.  Then, enter Widmore with his "opportunity" for Daniel to go to the island....

Is 1977 Daniel on or off the island?  I would assume he was the same age as Charlotte.  Why didn't he have nose bleeds like the others before Locke moved the island.  I'm assuming he was born there, since his parents are/were hostiles.  And since the sub belongs to Dharma and not the Hostiles, how did he and Ellie get off to begin with?

I have to assume the original 1977 Daniel is off the island.  We know he was in the States as a child - as we saw him playing the piano and Mama telling him it was time to get down to business.  I can only guess he didn't have nose bleeds because maybe he and Ellie left the island prior to the tapping of the energy?  I get the impression that Penny is older than Daniel, but that could be wrong.  I don't believe she was born on the island, and I don't believe Eloise is her mother.  So.......if Penny was born off-island to a woman Widmore left to go to war, and then he wound up staying on the island........meeting Ellie...........conceiving Daniel........then yes - I would say Daniel was born on the island.

I'm presuming at this point that Ellie and Daniel were urged by Widmore to leave the island at some point - probably after Ben entered the picture, and before Ben had Widmore himself removed from it.  But I couldn't even hazard a guess as to how they left.

Why was he so upset about the crash?  Was it because he is a "child of the island", so to speak, and was being emotionally affected by the fake plane knowing deep down they were actually on the island?

I think that his 'experiment' that made him goofy left some residual memories, and it was one of those that was tugging at his sub conscious mind - making him sad.
 
How did he know what was going to happen at the Swan?  I assume since he was hired by PaPa Widmore and not Dharma he didn't have to much back up information about the history of the island, except that it had special properties. If that is the case, how did he learn about the Swan and the future problems it would cause. 

I think this would be another instance of Daniel having been doing some time hopping......somehow.  That he got ahold of the Dharma records sometime after 1977, and learned that way of the accident?

Did Faraday always suggest to the Doctor that he should evacuate the island or is this the first time?  If it is the first time then how did it happen the first time 1977 was happening? 

Yes - I do think that was the first time Daniel warned Jack to leave - and I have to presume it's because his intent was to set off that bomb.  I don't think there ever was an evacuation in the first 1977.

Also...wow...could he have freaked little Charlotte out anymore?!?  ::MonkeyHaHa::  I was hoping he would be a little less creepy knowing that Charlotte remembered him being creepy the first time.  Now we know what the heck she was talking about when she mentioned not eating chocolate before dinner when she was dying. 

LOL - YES!!!  I giggled a bit at that chocolate before dinner!

See...this is where I get totally lost.  If Charlotte remembered him from HER 1977...then would that mean he was really there or did she remember him from HIS 1977, which sort of was added to her memories after the fact?  I am thinking the later since he didn't know what she was talking about.

I agree - it was the latter.

How did you like the shoot out in Dharmaville?  As the head of security how did Sawyer not hear that rukus?  I know he was busy packing but come on. 

Looks like Juliet felt a little threatened by "Freckles" there for a minute.

I LOVED that look she got on her face!  And then sending "Freckles" out into the wild unknown to deal with the Hostiles was certainly her way of getting Kate away from Sawyer - possibly even to die.

I do not understand why Faraday went into the Hostile's camp waving a gun. What was he thinking?  If he went in there calmly I think it would have ended much better.  Richard already recognized him to a degree...I'm sure he could have talked it out with them and then talked to Ellie.

I was shocked when she shot him.  Which brings me back to...did 2005 Ellie know that in 1977 she was going to shoot and kill Faraday?  If so how the heck did Faraday get on the freighter in 2005?  I'm really bummed about him being shot.  My mother thinks the island will heal him, but I'm not so sure.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes - I think that Eloise knew what would happen to Daniel by her own hand, and I think it was likely a "memory" that got planted into Ellie's mind after 2005 happened.

And remember - in HIS 1977, HIS 2005 hasn't happened yet - so no freighter yet in his future.  Him being killed (if he was) could at least alter that aspect of it....................along with so many others - Desmond going to find Eloise for example, him warning Charlotte...........boy - that could make for one convoluted mess!!!

Wow...this took forever to type out.  I'm sorry it is so scattered...but as I said above I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around it.

I love Sayid!!!!!!! ::MonkeyCool::

So Richard told Sun he watched all her friends die in 1977.  Was that because they set off the bomb?

Juliette's face when Kate got on the sub was priceless!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

And now we know how, when and why both Miles and his mother and Charlotte and her mother left the island.

And I think it's also safe to presume that Daniel was not born on the island - and surely Penny is alive at this time (1977) back in the states somewhere.

Interesting that Locke is going to try and kill Jacob!!  ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder just how Sawyer and Kate get off of the sub and back on the island?  And did we see Juliette back on the island in next week's preview?  Or did she stay on the sub?

A couple of thoughts.....

1 - Yes, I do believe that Locke was always there telling Richard to go and help the future Locke with a bullet in his leg.

I think that showed us that they CAN change the future.

2 - I have to wonder if the bomb does NOT get set off, and that it got buried "in the shadow of the statue" by someone in 1977 - and that you're right - and that is what that big metal box is for that the new crash survivors brought to the island.

But I don't think they were sent to just keep the bomb safe - they strike me as mercenaries of sorts, and if it is the bomb they're after, I would presume they plan to use it.

We know that (eventually) Widmore and Ellie successfully leave the island, and we know that Ben (child) doesn't die - so either the bomb does NOT get set off, or we finally see how the Hostile's are able to come and go to/from the island - like we've learned that Widmore does fairly often.

OR - the bomb goes off and they ALL die, and none of this ever happened.  ::MonkeyConfused::

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  No kidding!!!!

And you have a great point about the sub and the Darma purge.  That is probably how the hostiles were able to come and go.

Mmmm..........so do we think that the Hostiles were just abandonded there on the island after the war in the late 1950's?  Is that how they all came to be there?

And you certainly could be right about the bomb currently being under the statue - I'm totally confused as to where exactly that statue is.

We know that the tunnels are under the Dharma housing - didn't the Oceanic folk first see the statue when they were going around the island?  Around to the side where Jack was being held by Ben at Dharma HQ?

What's up with Bernard's HAIR????  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It was great to see him, Rose and Vincent.  Their reaction at seeing Kate Sawyer and Juliette was great!

And we know now that Richard, at least, is able to come and go from the island prior to the Dharma purge - still don't know how though.

I'm starting to wonder if their upholding of Locke wasn't borne of all the time travelling the Oceanic folk did - and nothing more?  Seems Richard might be getting comvinced simply by their own confusion about their time travels?  Like Jack telling him last night to not give up on Locke?  And Locke first appearing to Richard in the 50's?  I dunno............just something that feels right to me.

And I guess Ellie really IS preggers with Daniel on the island!

I think this was the first episode in a long time that I actually liked Juliette.  And how weird was it to see Sawyer so emotional??

So she blew up the bomb................since next season is the final season - does that mean that it worked, and the last season will be all about them all in the States?  And none of this ever happened?

WTH is going on with Locke???  So he really is dead - and that other Locke............he is the guy that was shown with Jacob at the beginning of the show.  Is Jacob really dead?

Weird how it showed Jacob interacting with various of the Oceanic 6, at different stages in their life.  That kind of leads me to believe that it can't all have not ever happened.

Hi fellow Lost Fans!

The answer to What Lies in the Shadow of the Statue is "He who will save us all" though some are translating it to "He who will protect us all". 

I agree that the non-Jacob dude is probably the smoke monster and probably the "Jacob" who was in the cabin too.  I think he has been working on manipulating Ben and Locke all along. 

Hi Jasmine - and welcome.

Thank you for that translation!!!


My question is - does that mean Jacob?  Since he "lives" inside the statue?

Or does that mean John Locke - because now his body "lies in the Shadow of the Statue"?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Either way - they're both supposedly dead.  So neither can "save/protect us all".

At least.........................not at the moment.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Any Lost fans still around? My husband and I are big fans and can't wait for the last season. We've been watching our dvds of the last few seasons.

Has anyone heard the theory going around that the blackout in the new ABC show, Flash Forward, is the incident in Lost and they're going to somehow connect the two shows?

I don't see how that's possible with Penny and Charlie in Flash Forward but it is an interesting theory. lol.