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Bringing this over for Can.

BB, I liked that picture of the door.  Very interesting.

Yes, we will be here just like Beth forty years from now.  We have already been almost one tenth of that.  Rest should be easy.


Off for an appointment.  Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything this morning.

Have a great day, monkeys!

Thank you 2NJSons-Mom. 
Justice for Natalee.  Amen.

Amen, Can.....see you, later, Anna.

BBL - Looks like you've got time today for some ironing Mom  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

Not today!!!   ::MonkeyNoNo::   

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Some may be interested in this:


Bergfeld, Chase - Richland Chambers Reservoir, TX- missing 12/13/08
Posted on 17. Jan, 2009 by B Tarr in Memorials

Chase Bergfield, age 23, was last seen on December 13th, 2008 at the Richland Chambers Reservoir, in Corsicana, Texas. He was on a 16’ boat that hit a stump and capsized. Nine other students have been accounted for, but not Chase. Search efforts are underway on the water.

12/18/08 - Texas EquuSearch was successful in locating the A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld. Our hearts and prayers go out to the family and friends of this young man. TES would like to thank John Silvetti and the Silvetti group from Louisiana   and Dennis and Tammy Watters and also the Texas Parks and Wildlife personnel for their roles in helping Texas EquuSearch locate  A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld.

TES Article Link (http://texasequusearch.org/2009/01/bergfeld-chase-richland-chambers-reservoir-tx-missing-121308/)

Aruba/Antilles are trying to figure out a way to be removed from a blacklist for being a tax haven.  I believe this may have been posted on the previous thread.

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Do more things together with Aruba
21 Jan, 2009, 19:08 (GMT -04:00)

 
 
WILLEMSTAD – State Secretary Alex Rosaria (Finance, PNP) is guest speaker at the Aruba Financial Center Association (AFCA) and the Aruban Association of Tax Consultants (AVvB) in Aruba this Friday evening. 

Rosaria will talk about certain things that the Antilles and Aruba can do together to permanently improve the own position in the competitive branch of the international financial service.  He will also suggest his hostesses to explore the existing fiscal relations between the two kingdom countries further, and so create more possibilities for mutual investments and business.
Because, of the six countries that according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) ‘fully complies with the OECD-standards for financial transparency, especially regarding fiscal treaties’, Aruba and the Antilles are the two Dutch spoken ones; it is useful that these two countries make a fist together against erroneously placing on fiscal black lists.
Isle of Man, British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, and Jersey and Guernsey are the other four (English spoken) jurisdictions that get a pat on the back from OECD and will mutually devote themselves against the unjust indication as ‘tax haven’ received from certain countries or are threatened to receive.   

 http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_51861.php


The Netherlands cannot do much about black lists
20 Jan, 2009, 08:26 (GMT -04:00)

 
WILLEMSTAD – The Antilles do no longer belong on the balck lists of tax paradises, says the Dutch state secretary of Finance, Jan Kees de Jager (CDA) in a conversation with the Wereldomroep. De Jager is currently making a tour of the Antilles and Aruba.  The subject came up during his visit with Fanace-minister Ersilia de Lannooy (PNP).

The Antilles are for a long time pressing the Netherlands to take them off the lists and to develop the international financial service further, but The Hague cannot do much about this.  “During a recent encounter on tax havens in Paris, I indicated that the Neth.Antilles are on the right path and do not belong on black lists.”

The Antilles are still on the black lists of approximately 12 countries, including some in Europe, but that is not completely certain, because there is no automatic reporting on this.  Via the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OESO), De Jager tries to officially as well as diplomatically spread the message that the Antilles are no longer a tax haven.  He says that playing it this way is more effective that via the European Union.

He knows that as long as the Antilles are on such list somewhere, entering tax treaties is difficult for them.  Those treaties are important to bring more financial services to Curacao.  “That gives certainty that there is no double taxation”, said De Jager.  He concludes his tour in Aruba, where he also discussed customs and fiscal legislation with Finance-minister Nilo Swaen (MEP) and Tax Inspection.  He is furthermore going to meet with the Aruban governor Fredis Refunjol. 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_51771.php

WHAT WAS JOHN SILVETTI REALLY AFTER?

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount. So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world.  It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after.  it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found herI don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.msg625934#msg625934

Kyle:After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains


I asked Jug about Schaeffer...he is the oil guy. He was the one that provided the cash to get down there. Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.
They do a large mapping process while they are looking for the details. Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil[/u]...etc...while they looked for Natalee too.
Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer


Kyle said: June 29, 2008: I'm curious if the birds connects the dots and figures out what John will do before he knows what he's doing. Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out. I'll be at his house in about 5-6 hours.

Just clarifying it is a post from the Frog! ::MonkeyCool::

The Dutch are going after Free speech..
They are after Hero.
 http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3075842/___Brinkman_wellicht_ook_vervolgd___.html?p=1,2
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=9034.msg402250;topicseen

They are also after Geert Wilders
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058197.html
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=9075.msg402238;topicseen#new

Then there is John Silvetti's role in the Persistence undertaking in regards to the contents of the cage/trap that Kyle Kingman claims in his own words could have been Natalee Holloway' remains.  I will give Tim Miller the benefit of the doubt that he does not realize that his organization may have been used by John Silvetti and Louis Schaeffer in funding the finale to the great Aruban coverup.  Maybe Tim Miller needs to be informed.

Janet


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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:  John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Keepthefaith

There is an update on the Caylee Anthony case.  I have just posted a compilation of Orlando publications that have reported on the the update.

Janet

This is Tamikos when she gets an idea.......

 :smt115 :smt032 :smt024

but I am watching you, :shock:, so don't try putting any  :smt049's in my mouth or I
will  :smt118 :pukel: :smt018 :smt003

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

:smt049  :smt049

The devil made me do it.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

O/T heading over there to get the latest.I was on last night when it was being reported Janet.Did you see the end of the last thread Natalee thread?I was alone in the cage and decided to go a little crazy.Klaas had a premonition that a monkey was loose in the Natalee thread and caught me being less then civil! ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I doubt seriously if my brother or guilt'', Mansur argues in his column. ,, The biggest problem of Aruba is not Luis, but the impunity with which the 'criminal organization' MEP operates, and how the law deals with that party. They can bribe, they are confident that the PPS enough in their grip, so it will not be taken against them. That my brother has been arrested, I see as a political setup
Josy M.

Thanks, Edward.  I tried to google translate but kept getting errors.  Hopefully, someone will post, or I will attempt again, later.  I got bumped out of here a few minutes ago, attempting this post. 

Luis m. 3 years later
His lawyer Mr. Mohamed

Also comming down the stairs is
Melvin Lito who is represented by attorney Paulus VanDerSloot..
Anyone know that attorney ?

The other fellow is Jose Andreas cid.

All 3 are from the Domino case On Aruba..

Luis was only moving 600 kilos of cocaine acording to court documents.. He testified he needed to make some money.

"I doubt seriously if my brother or guilt'', Mansur argues in his column. ,, The biggest problem of Aruba is not Luis, but the impunity with which the 'criminal organization' MEP operates, and how the law deals with that party. They can bribe, they are confident that the PPS enough in their grip, so it will not be taken against them. That my brother has been arrested, I see as a political setup"
Josy M.

Edward - I think you've been taking to seriously Opus/Florida/NYSusan's obscure photos. 

   Health: 'Situation dengue very alarming'
(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:x7QJX8qE1zDSXM:http://home.planet.nl/~rijn0761/images/medisch-dengue-mug.jpg)
23 Jan, 2009, 15:57 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Department of Health calls the dengue situation around is very alarming. The number of cases compared to last year is much higher and therefore it was decided to control the breeding of dengue infected mosquitoes to expand.

It is the first time that Health reports that there is a serious situation. This newspaper reported last week that in the first week of January an outbreak of the number of dengue cases and an epidemic was likely if this trend continues. There is an epidemic as 1 in 100 people infected with the virus.
Because the situation is very threatening power, is Muskiet Service Yellow Fever Control (GKMB) except to six daily noon on Saturday morning to check on houses dengue. Also Infectious Disease Service (DBZ) is expanding its activities and expanded data collection of infected people.

A problem that the GKMB now often encounter is that many people are not at home during which the inspection can not take place. In such cases, GKMB a message so that the occupant can take contact to a new appointment. Even residents who receive a letter from DBZ, this service can call to make an appointment.
GKMB schools is also on alert that they may come along to students for information. Under the guise 'young old learned is done ", the schoolchildren about dengue and what they can do to prevent.
Department of Health gives a press conference today on the state of affairs.

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   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #753 5/20 -
« Reply #762 on: May 27, 2008, 02:30:32 AM » 

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OM admissible in Dominozaak
May 26, 2008, 17:27 (GMT -04:00)

 
 
ORANJESTAD - The judge has the Public Prosecutor (OM) declared admissible in the Dominozaak. During the treatment of the drugssmokkelzaak, which was resumed last Friday, was also clear that businessman Luis Mansur 600 kilos of cocaine in Europe wanted to sell because this would raise more money.

The deployment of the investigative methods (OVC) was lawful, the court ruled on the basis of the documents that the OM has supplied. The judge had called after the main defence of Hernando 'Rafa' Ochoa said that justice without thorough reasons and "magically" the afluisterperiodes prolonged. The OM yielded a report from the days and times that there was tapped in a total of 115 hours of material. Even the reasons for the requests for every time the afluisterperiode to renew and motivations that were sufficient for the court. Furthermore, OVC only when other investigative methods used to test evidence against the suspects to obtain failed. Given the serious crimes of the criminal network, asked the police for permission to listen to, and according to the court in First Instance is that carefully and in a transparent manner happened. Even if the investigative methods used still legally banned in Aruba and the privacy of the suspects - especially Ochoa in whose car taps were placed - affected. The court is reflecting on possible sanctions.

After declare the OM, was continued. The statements of other suspects revealed that the main accused Mansur cocaine in Europe wanted to sell. During the treatment on May 8 the businessman already known its share of the drugsoperaties from 2006 until the arrest of him and the other members of the criminal network. He said that when the plan was for 600 pounds of cocaine from Venezuela to the Dominican Republic to transport.

The afgeluisterde talks has now become clear that the gang also from 2000 to 3000 kilos of cocaine into Europe on the market wanted. Also discussed was the price per kilo in 4000 dollars per kilo would yield, but in the Netherlands from 23 to 24,000 euros per kilo of cocaine. Against the judge Mansur said that the smuggling has never been continued and only remained at "one of his dreams" that he still wanted to achieve.

Mansur explained to smuggle drugs because of financial problems. The judge asked Friday however Mansur on how the money came to the drugsoperaties financing. He said that people in Venezuela him were still owed money and that he is personally go collect money. Mansur would occur only once a big player like drugs smuggling so as well in a time of his money to. The various criminal cases, however, shows that he has organised several shipments. For example, he once gave 27,000 dollars to 11 pounds to smuggle cocaine into Aruba. With help from other bendelid Jose Andres Cid, he smuggled 20 kilos, 33 kilos of cocaine and 4 pounds here. Cid confirmed that in the courtroom. In an interview on May 24, 2006 between Ochoa and Mansur show that a bendelid named Serge had smuggled drugs into Spain. Mansur Ochoa asked to go to Spain to collect the money. Ochoa, who during the earlier court had kept his mouth, however, vigorously denied. He had only gone to Spain to see if he had "a better life could build. He remained there in addition to that he has done nothing wrong and as a wood merchant and vegetables from Venezuela retrieves for sale in Aruba. The documents would be in accordance with the court show that Ochoa would have 1.04 million dollars earned in drug trafficking and laundering of drugs. Ochoa denied and his wife, who is co, continued to argue that she and her husband have a timber.



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   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #753 5/20 -
« Reply #763 on: May 27, 2008, 03:45:05 AM » 

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'Government Aruba is criminal organization'
 
Published on Friday, 28 september 2007
 
In an extensive comments Jossy Mansur, editor of Aruba's largest newspaper Papiamentstalige Diaro, the Aruban government indirectly accused of a criminal organization.
This response to the arrest of his brother Luis Mansur, who was arrested Monday as one of the suspects in a rolled-up drugsbende in Aruba.

Drugsbende
The newspaper argues that Mansur ruling party MEP as well as those drugsbende under the legal definition of a criminal organization. According to him, the prime minister and ministers are crimes against the people by engaging in bribery to make, contributions and mafia violence. The water and power management and the recent introduction of a sales tax, he sees as a 'barbaric' action.

Mansur believes that there is enough evidence, even when the Public Prosecutor (OM), to Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and Marisol Tromp (Education, Social Affairs and Infrastructure) also throw into the cell.

Suspects
,, I doubt seriously if my brother or guilt'', Mansur argues in his column. ,, The biggest problem of Aruba is not Luis, but the impunity with which the 'criminal organization' MEP operates, and how the law deals with that party. They can bribe, they are confident that the PPS enough in their grip, so it will not be taken against them. That my brother has been arrested, I see as a political setup and an attempt to meet me. A gross mistake, but let the law prevail!''

Of the eight suspects during the massive police action were arrested, a person released Thursday. The custody of the other suspects including those of the 63-year-old
businessman Luis Mansur, with eight days.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2856.msg384342

OpusDopus ? hehe  Not I  ::MonkeyWink::


 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_51884.php

Google translation:

Aruba
Police closer to citizens
23 Jan, 2009, 15:51 (GMT -04:00)


Last Wednesday were students of KPA in Cas di Cultura cover their certificate given by Justice Minister Rudy Croes and chief Peter de Witte.
ORANGE CITY - The Police Corps Aruba (KPA), the so-called barioregie or neighborhood direction reinvigoration. In this context have barioregisseurs of 12 and 21 January a special training followed. The students received last Wednesday, after the training, in Cas di Cultura their certificate issued by Justice Minister Rudy Croes and chief Peter de Witte. Barioregisseurs and managers have a final meeting, working arrangements made at the ceremony were presented to Minister Croes.

The training was made in cooperation with the Corps and Amsterdam-Amstelland provided by the Amsterdam Police Commissioner Frank Cellar, police inspector and police sergeant Sita Koenders Janneke Schep. At the end of the training was to barioregisseurs symbolically handed over a mobile phone at all barioregisseurs short term will be made available. Operational commanders and Heads of Research Services, received this month a workshop on the vision and philosophy of barioregie in relation to safety and quality of life in the neighborhoods, as well as controlling the barioregisseurs.

The intention is to barioregie basic police closer to citizens and to make more accessible. After a reorganization in 2003, designated barioregisseurs trained and there are resources available to district posts to where hours can be held for citizens. Barioregie However, several factors are not in the right way and time is not off the ground, said police.

In addition to providing a thorough training for the police and the regular renewal and upgrading of the knowledge now, in the framework of the improvement KPA also addressed other issues. One issue addressed is that the opening up of vacancies created for the job of barioregisseur. KPA has started the recruitment of candidates after a selection process will be appointed. Further development of barioregie improvement district consists of items, better communications capabilities for the barioregisseurs and a clearer direction by managers within the KPA.

 


Vision of Barioregie
It is important that the police are acting as equal and reliable partner of the population. The cooperation with others and mobilize the population should be aimed at a lasting relationship. To improve the safety and livability, the police in the society are. This means that the police at district level should be obvious appearance. The police want to barioregie, neighborhood-based police show, visible, accessible and available. The police have an obvious link in the neighborhoods.

The barioregisseur will focus on "Supervision" and "Identification". In addition he will deal with "Identify" and "Activate." The barioregisseur stimulates, in an integrated manner and in cooperation with other agencies, safety and quality of life in the neighborhoods. This will be achieved with the help of partners such as Department of Social Affairs, Foundation WitGele Cross, general practitioners, pastorieën and school heads. The citizen may, for him to insoluble problems, the assistance of the barioregisseur. This does come with me, advises, shall, if necessary contacts between the citizens and assisting any bodies.

If it is a criminal offense, the citizens expect the barioregisseur, acting either itself or the appropriate department and the case involves the following to the citizens to keep. The role of the barioregisseur is clear. He is the accountability policeman in his neighborhood and knows all the players of the game. "

The barioregisseur during preventive surveillance in the area, short visits to residents to pool knowledge and to establish contacts with the residents. The barioregisseur is a conductor, he sends and set everything in motion, directs and analyze problems. He explains contacts, building bridges between problem and solution.

message for Joran !  ::MonkeyHaHa::
(http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:gL4D--WxNpJRZM:http://www.flash-casino.nl/images/mac%2520poker.gif)

Online poker player receives tax form
Online poker less lucrative tax

Think your safe money with poker via the Internet, shows that the Dutch tax authorities in possession of all your data, including user and gains. Online poker players receive a tax form sent home, where they serve their extra income to give, so that tax could be levied. The Inland Revenue is "very accommodating": only the real income tax paid to do, so less additional revenue.

De Telegraaf reports that the measure should yield millions. Some professional pokeraars would sometimes even millions of barrels and to generate additional income without having to comply with the tax. The Tax and sends an initial hundred brochures and letters, part of the so-called control strategy of the service.

In the Netherlands, hundreds of people were pleasant life of poker. It is in our country is immensely popular poker and there are relatively many professional pokeraars as "courageous beginners on" quick money can make. Interestingly enough, even Joran van der Sloot (known from Peter R. de Vries) as a successful pokeraar said. Whether he gets a form is not clear.

Lawyer Duynstee represents forty poker professionals. He claims that they are first confronted with the poker tax. He advises clients not without more pay. According to De Telegraaf, there is great anxiety among pokeraars. They want to know how their name and address of the Tax it.

Edward who is in that picture do I see Natalee look a like ?

It always looked like Natalee to me ..
They fellow with the bald head is questionable also.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3580&Itemid=1

oranjestad – at instant cu sr. coizy krozendijk descend cu pension will fill the cupo of comisario of police cu sra trudy hassel, while cu sr. gerold dompig ex comisario of police owing to ask for return bek in the cuerpo policial, after cu past owing to retira cu vut, so minister of husticia sr. rudy croes owing to let know. sra. trudy hassel is cuminsa now here hour cu sr. krozendijk descend cu pension, the have to owing to go back but past owing to achieve one accidente y is desee compel for her recupera completo, because is one person important cu owing to haci work good for comunidad y is wait for the recupera soon. sra trudy hassel is enter the hour at luga of sr. krozendijk. the instant cu sr. gerold dompig owing to bay y sra hassel owing to bay, owing to come one organisacion new y owing to come cu one leader of compania new cu is in person of sr. antoine solognier cu is haci the trabounan more administrativo, for so could you achieve the comisarionan of police can haci they work in district more debido. also sr. gerold dompig owing to solicita, but past owing to bay cu vut y one vut is cinco year y now here not have the posicion vacante niether, pace now here do you have the same cuater comisarionan. do you have sr. dolfi richardson, have sra. trudy hassel y have sr. alto comisario, kiermen aworaki not have one function of comisario open. if the function of comisario open in future y the accomplish cu the condicionnan of vut, the hour sr. rudy croes not have problem for one person as dompig solicita, because the was one tremendo comisario of police. have to menciona cu sr. gerold dompig owing to funciona because; comisario of police y owing to bandona the cuerpo policial after cu the la feel his self calling for follow in the sector priva. past owing to erect his own compania, sinembargo awendia sr. dompig is believe cu is more factibel for go back in cuerpo policial y follow cu his carera in the cuerpo here. come across

it was a full moon party pic >  23 may 2005

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/POSTERS/mipbar1.jpg)

how do you know  that is the same  guy ? ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL.. OK

Well I was looking at Luis M. who is also bald for a match.. BUT I am not saying I am positive it was him looking at Natalee.. He is not as tall as You.  ::MonkeyWink::
 What I do think is yes..That looks like Natalee in the photo but I do not think anyone has confirmed that as true.

Sounds like you know about this photo.. ? Pearl brought it back up today at BFN.. She will apriciate knowing and so will I.
Was Natalee at this party ?

That photo has been way over manipulated.  I have the original someplace but it will take forever to find it.

Natalee was not in ARUBA on May 23, 2005

i don't think she was there  ! It is photoshoped or ..... another girl

BUT  The Paulus VDS representing one of the accused in the Domino case is FACT and Luis M. as "The Boss" Drug dealer is FACT

600 Kilos x 4500 per Kilo = 270,000.00 American Dollars..
That ain't chimp change. ::MonkeyWink::

Cocaine, heroin, and marijuana are readily available in Aruba. Wholesale amounts of cocaine sell for from US$3,800 to US$4,500 per kilogram among drug traffickers; heroin sells for about US$23,000 per kilogram; and marijuana sells for about US$2,000 per kilogram. These low prices suggest a heavy flow of drugs into Aruba. According to Aruban statistics, an estimated 14 percent of Arubans regularly use illicit drugs.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Kouri/jim9.htm


Having Paulus as an attorney in that case is eye opening.
Well more then eye opening.. ::MonkeyConfused::

It leaves us in a very questionable position..

I would have to assume that Luis and Paulus are friends or close acquaintance.
So where does that leave Josy ?


 

Thanks for the heads up on that photo Johnathan and Klassend.

We will round-file the photo..

The round-file is getting pretty full and there is not much left. ::MonkeyNoNo::

sorry, I have red through this thread twice and still don't see a photo with the Natalee look-alike. Can someone kindly point me in it's direction.

Top of Page 2...

Ochoa and Luis Mansur, received respectively 8 and 24 months imprisonment.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2856.msg384342

You can see why it is worth it to take a chance.. A vacation if you get caught, catch up on a few books and you are out and back in buisiness..

Plus...Paulus has filed an appeal.. So it will ALL most likely be dropped as some sort of misunderstanding..

What a great country this ARUBA IS.  ::MonkeyTongue::

We have really been wasting out time..From Aruba to the Netherlands this game is rigged.

OK tY will look

 :smt018   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Does your DH know you listen to the devil.

If anyone in that photo appears recognizable it would be the male on the right above the girl with bun in her hair looks like Joran and his infamous blue plaid shirt. MOO

 :gaah:   :smt018       :2saywhaa:     :2waver:

Knee-Deep i would think! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Please don't tell me Dompig is coming out of retirement?

Yes he is..

Ya know it is VERY scary when you don't have to read Pap to understand what they are saying and doing on Aruba.

Bleachedblack

I risked your wrath and ... I risked getting banned for editing your post.  However ... I honestly could not resist.

I am sooo bad.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I think I recall the other pic-the one with Joran dancing like a monkey in front of the monkey wall at c+c's?

LOL you are funny ..........

NASSAU, Bahamas —  Authorities in the Bahamas have detained an island lawmaker and a paramedic in an alleged plot to extort money from actor John Travolta after the death of his son, police said Friday.

One of the suspects, ambulance driver Tarino Lightbourne, was detained on Friday. Earlier, several tabloids quoted him describing efforts to revive the celebrity's chronically ill son, Jett, who died of a seizure this month at their family vacation home on Grand Bahama.

Authorities did not reveal what the alleged extortion involved. Travolta and his wife Kelly Preston returned home to Florida with the ashes of their 16-year-old son, and Travolta's publicist Paul Bloch said Friday he has no comment.

Sen. Pleasant Bridgewater, an attorney from Grand Bahama, has been held for questioning since Thursday, Senior Assistant Commissioner of Police Marvin Dames told The Associated Press.

Dames said Lightbourne was detained after police issued an alert that he was wanted for attempted extortion, was "considered dangerous and should be approached with caution."

All of these Islands are corrupt.

I think the online translators have left us little choice.. It translates so badly we end up memorizing some of the words and pretty soon you can actually read enough to comprehend what is being said.

A cartwheel for all you do Klaas.It is appreciated more hen you know! ::cartwheel::

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
            JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
                  JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
                        JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
                              JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
                                    JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
                                          JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
                                                JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Posted at BFN by Pearl


Sharing a Glenda-ism of today:  Ref site

yankee-in-france wrote:
How do you know what happened and what didn't happen with Natalee?

Glenda Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:12 am

I don't know what happened to N.H., neither do Daniel and Kelly. Beth doesn't know that Natalee was kidnapped, gang raped and murdered by J2K either. The OM doesn't know what happened to N.H. either.

According to the OM, because Natalee was in good health and in good relations with her mother, she is presumed to be dead because there has been no contact from N.H. that the OM is aware of. Due to the numerous stories presented by Joran, it is presumed that he knows what happened to her.

Presumed is not knowing either. The judge knows that too and since there is no other evidence (to date) to support any of Joran's stories, there will not be a trial. 

http://www.refugeesunleashed

Glenda(Renfro) posted something similiar a week or so ago at RU,
except the last line said....unless there is some evidence from the
Persistence, there will be no trial.

Wreck text messsage, pls.

Renfro sure seems to know alot about what the OM and the Judge say.....   ::MonkeyEek::

Makes me wonder what she knows and what she just lies about.
She is a POS.

TM...Have You got a Big Ole Fly for Kermit Maybe She will Hop in and Tell Us somethig interesting.... TIA  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

She knows it all.  She is up to her eyeballs in this.

Yes Magnolia....Renho is Definitley a POS and then some.... ::MonkeyWink::

Agreed.....Renho knows!

I'll see what I can find!   ::MonkeyWink::

How about this one.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Fly2.jpg)

Well you said you wanted big  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Whoa San with that one and the one TM finds that ought to get Kermit in here!  ::cartwheel:: Thanks!  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/KERMIT/fly2.jpg)

Wow, San!  That's a beauty!

Aren't they ugly.

TM and San You two are the Best Fly Catchers I have Ever Seen!  ::cartwheel:: Oh Kermit Look what San and TM have for You!  ::MonkeyTongue::

Well They Aren't Ugly to a Frog....They are Delicous...Right Kermit!  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks TM!  ::MonkeyCool::

You're welcome Hotping....Kermit may need some tums after eating those beasts!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe Kermit Can have one now and Save the other for Tomorrow...  ::MonkeyWink:: Besides I think Frogs have Very Good Digestive Systems  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/frog_eats.gif)

OMG... Klaas that Frog is Too Cute!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Now the Cage is all ready for Kermit We have Flies and A Playmate for Kermit!  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

To aid that "mighty hungry" frog's smart digestion!!! We don't want our favorite frog to be ill. Big help for a big fly!
 (http://www.adairproducts.com/Tums.jpg)

Silly you used the wrong type playmate if you want to attract the frog- try this.......

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u174/serendipitousdebbie/funny-2.jpg)

  ::MonkeyShocked::

Blonde is Miss Piggy!!!

Thanks bleachedblack.  The revelations lately are mind boggling.

Janet

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
8:45 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

Night Janet.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/01/interview-with-tim-miller/

1/1/2009

At the end she says Tim's returning to Aruba this month?  Anyone know anything about that?

Just watched it TM.She said this month! ::MonkeyDance::

Red said the stars are aligning,Kermit said he will reveal at the right time,Greta has been silent,Tim's supposedly going to Aruba by the end of the month..What the hell TM let's have a party in the cage..

 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

Just keep it down Monkey's.Klaas can hear eveyrthing... ::MonkeyLaugh::

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/01/crime-catch-filming-2009/

Crime Catch Filming 2009
Posted on 19. Jan, 2009 by B Tarr in Featured Articles, TES In Action, TES News

(http://www.texasequusearch.org/images/InAction/2009-0119/TimMillersm2.jpg)

On January 19, 2009, filming took place at our Dickinson, TX office for the TV show “Crime Catch”.   We were proud to have approximately 50 of our volunteers show up for the filming of the show.  Members showed up with their ATV’s and horses to participate.  We were also delighted to be able to demonstrate some of our  search technology tools.

As always, work went on, even during the filming. The phone rang, visitors came by, and people unfortunately still went missing.  Our volunteers always manage to keep things going, no matter what is going on around them.  As you can see here, work didn’t stop for Tim.  Filming will continue tomorrow at a variety of locations, with multiple interviews scheduled to take place.

We will announce the air date of the program here on our website, as soon as it is announced. Please keep tuned, and make sure to mark your calendars to catch this exciting episode of  “Crime Catch”. Thank you to the film crew and all of our dedicated volunteers for participating in today’s efforts.

Below, our team poses with Tim and host Maricela Hernandez.


(http://www.texasequusearch.org/images/InAction/2009-0119/TeamPhoto1.jpg)

Don't make me have a Vigil till the end of the month!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/01/crime-catch-filming-2009/

all photos credit of Linda Unger

(http://texasequusearch.org/images/InAction/2009-0119/FrontBuildingsm.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

This does concern me TM.Why would Tim go down there without some EXTREMELY convincing evidence?I'll wait to hear something from Kermit.I truly hope this isn't from CapsLockWizard=John Silvetti=Tim Miller=to the pond???

What'd you bring to the party 2nj?? ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

I've not forgotten Keepthefaith.I have faith in you!Keep your head up.The rains will stop,the clouds will part and the sun will shine... ::MonkeyWink::

I have no idea KTF.  He was involved with the pond witness, and the polygraph tests.  Maybe he's going back to take the results.  Who knows? 

KTF....are you talking to yourself now????    ::MonkeyLaugh::

Do you get the same "get the cashback" pop-up with the Frog in it.Has a rose in it's mouth as well.Kinda funny..

nooooo  ::MonkeyRoll::, KTF are you BUI? blogging under the influence  ::MonkeyTongue::

Yes i am TM. ::MonkeyDance:: I've been in the Caylee thread earlier today and just find it amazing the amount of courage,hope,as well as caring people that truly are out there even if we don't always agree.4 F'ing years and this Island still doesn't give an iota of respect to Natalee.I'm gonna call Chiquita Bananas and see if i can jump out of a plane with about a Ton of banana's following right behind me and wage a Banana War.Can you see a Monkey fallin outta the Sky's of Aruba throwing bananas along the way! ::MonkeyLaugh::I'm so friggin dog gone Mad at these inhumane creature's...Now i'm Rambling  ::MonkeyLaugh::God bless your computer screen for puttin up with this dysfunctional poster this evening.At least i'm not a stackaholic like BILLB.Sorry Billb.Had to make myself feel better...Shut up KTF..

KTF...TM..Do you all know you are talking to yourselves?/ ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::
No cage parties allowed...I'll...I'll..I'll report you all (OK-just the 2 of u)

Did you say Cage...cage...cage party????

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

When i was typing that BillB i had know idea that you came into the cage.TM.If KTF jumped out of a plane underr those circumstances would i be called  banana diver,and or a Monkey diver?

Klaas knows better, TM is a good monkey  ::MonkeyWink::

I'm taking names on my banana peel!!!!   ::MonkeyTongue::

KTF
KTF
KTF

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

If it is true Tim is returning to Aruba, I hope it is to confront pos mos (nice ring to pos mos, don't you think?) with persistence video/pics....maybe kyle/john/louis had a change of heart??
the witness that passed the lie detector test in Texas just probably doesn't cut it anymore, after what we have seen over the last few weeks...mhoo

Monkey Diver gone Bananas!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

That would be almost too good to be true!  But we can HOPE!!!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

I do hope they had a change of heart.Do i trust them going back down there.Nope.I would trust Tim Miller as long as he doesn't have that crew with him.Maybe the stars are coming into alignment as Red said!

The link comes up blank for me....what am I missing/ (wrt the video... ::MonkeyCool::)

How 'bout monkey diving for bananas  - diver?

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I admit it.I have gone bananas.Sometimes i do find it difficult in the face of evil.It is everywhere.Up here in Seattle not to long ago there was a father that killed his two year old child because he didn't want to pay child-support.Within the the same couple weeks a 16 year old in Port Angeles,Wa dumped her new born in the trash.Didn't survive.We as Monkey's must continue to speak for those who have no voice...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CFkZzKBviM&feature=related

ARUBA RV PERSISTENCE MAY HAVE TO GO HOME WITHOUT NATALEE

Listen closely to what Tim says about the fabric....felt sure they found MORE THAN FABRIC!!!!

I've been on here for about a year and haven't even thought about an Avatar but i think it came to me at the right time.I need a Skydiving Monkey with Banana's Blazing in both Hands!How do i get it done??klaaaaassssss.CBB

It was an interview with Tim Miller from the first of this month, main thing I think is that it says he is returning to Aruba this month.  That was news to me.

KTF..gotta ask...
Why would anyone go all the way to Washington....just to Seattle (See at tle)?
Damn....now that's funny...i don't care who you are...That's funny...compliments of Larry the Cable Guy..and...billb.. ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

billb!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks TM...

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

What day was that Greta interview TM.TES was still taking donations for the Persistence.

On a sentimental note...it was also stated that if he found Natalee he would retire...but then he said...I know the phone would ring again...or something to that effect.  In other words, there would always be another family needing his help to find their loved one.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Not sure KTF, but I'm pretty sure it was within a week of them pulling out of Aruba. 

The only other Avatar i can think of at this point is a Monkey in a straight Jacket,Get it.KTF has gone Banana's... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Carpe uploaded it to youtube on Feb 26th.

I get so frustrated with The Persistence.So you locate 170 targets per Tim Miller and how many did they dive on before the money ran out?Anybody know?Was the Crab trp the only thing they dove on?TIA

KTF...
I was insensitive to your post in that there is evil everywhere.....it is just not publicized routinely by today's media...because in and of itself.....no one cares....
Now that pisses me off.....and like all you wonderful Monkeys....I/We care...and we will stay the course to demand Justice for Natalee...Caylee....and way too many others....life isn't fair....but fair minded people can make a difference.......

I think they ROV dove on more (I know I read somewhere 65+), but I'm not aware of actual human divers on any other targets.

goodnight Keepthefaith, texasmom, johan555 and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
billb....I stand with the frog....Justice for Natalee...
Did I mention my lack of patience? I know it is just around the corner...we will get there....

What makes me sick in a social sense is that the accountability is lost.Pay attention in daily life to what is occuring around you no matter how small.You can make a difference.It seems we as a society are so desensitzed that this type of behaviour is acceptible at different levels.I take pride in being a Monkey and knowing we can agree to disagree but the goal is still TRUTH & JUSTICE for those who have no voice.For that i'm thankful!

KEEPTHEFAITH

Goodnight Billb

Goodnight billb!  

My patience amounts to -0-!  I guess it's better than that, been here a long time...hope we get there soon!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanx TM and Goodnight to All Monkey's!Gotta recharge and take my Anti-Bananas medicine so TM and other Monkey's don't have to go through another episode like that.  ::MonkeyLaugh:: I appreciate all the computer screens that allowed me to lean on them..  ::MonkeyWink::

Goodnight KTF...keep on keepin' the faith!!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

New activity in the Dr. Phil/K2 case, scheduled for hearing Monday.

01/20/2009 Reply/Response (RE THEIR CAUSE OF ACTION FOR MISAPPROPRIATION OF LIKENESS/ INVASION OF PRIVACY )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

01/20/2009 Proof of Service (RE REPLY, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

01/16/2009 Miscellaneous-Other (FOURTH JOINT SEPARATE STATEMENT RE DEFTS' MOTIONS TO DISMISS, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner


 Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

01/26/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (Further Interrogatory Responsesand Production of Documents (4);2) Second Motion to Dismiss andRequest for Terminating Sanctions3) Case Management Conference)

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Thank You Buckeye for the Update!  ::MonkeyCool::

Good Morning San!

  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::
I'm headed out for the weekend to see My Boys and Grandsons....But I'll Be keeping an Eye on the Cage......Have A Great Weekend Monkeys!  ::MonkeyCool::

Good Morning hotping.

So, supposedly Tim Miller is going back to Aruba? I can't fathom anyone sanctioned by Beth and Dave would go back unless they were assured a positive outcome.................................................................................... but I have been wrong before!!!!!!  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyEek::

Tim going back to Aruba the end of January?  COOL!

http://www.youtube.com/v/dyb02xETVx8&hl=en&fs=1

Good morning monkeys!

Thank you for bringing the video over Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller are one in their conviction that there there was more than fabric in the trap/cage.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle:  Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.


The search for Natalee Holloway
TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

Tim Miller: I stepped on the boat and said “Natalee we're coming to get you.” Now we're finally coming to get you. And I still believe that from the bottom of my heart. She's out here and now we're on our way.

Over the holiday season, the crew of the persistence worked day and night to survey the ocean floor and look for targets that could hold the key to finding Natalee.

On Christmas Eve sonar pictures revealed what looked like a large trap, almost exactly where Tim Miller theorized it would be.

And on Dec. 29 the crew dropped a remote operated vehicle, or ROV, into the water to get a closer look.

Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.

... In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Wasn't the "Tim returning to Aruba" message, at the same time Beth and Greta were returning.... and when Brinkman and the Dutch were heading to on island....and JQK was heading there (with Mark Furman?)?  I think this visit is a not so done deal....but...I could be wrong???

I believe Tim Millers trip may have to do with witness and the polygraph that Hans Mos claims was never received ... the polygraph that Jossy Mansur claims was received.

I fear that CAPS, John Silvetti and Tim Miller are one in regards to the witness.  I pray I am wrong.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

+++++++++


klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #784 12/8/08 -
« Reply #192 on: December 09, 2008, 04:50:23 PM »

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

Tim Miller and John Silvetti from the Silvetti Group out of Louisiana, will be in Yankeetown, Florida to search for the two men missing since their plane lost radar contact with officials. Darien Peckham and Zachary Schlitt were headed to Vandenberg Airport, Tampa, Florida and never reached their destination. We will post more details regarding this search at a later date

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4227.msg573186#msg573186


Bergfeld, Chase - Richland Chambers Reservoir, TX- missing 12/13/08
Posted on 17. Jan, 2009 by B Tarr in Memorials

Chase Bergfield, age 23, was last seen on December 13th, 2008 at the Richland Chambers Reservoir, in Corsicana, Texas. He was on a 16’ boat that hit a stump and capsized. Nine other students have been accounted for, but not Chase. Search efforts are underway on the water.

12/18/08 - Texas EquuSearch was successful in locating the A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld. Our hearts and prayers go out to the family and friends of this young man. TES would like to thank John Silvetti and the Silvetti group from Louisiana  and Dennis and Tammy Watters and also the Texas Parks and Wildlife personnel for their roles in helping Texas EquuSearch locate  A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/01/bergfeld-chase-richland-chambers-reservoir-tx-missing-121308/

I don't know Buckeye, maybe so.  I sent an email and asked.  If I receive a response, I'll let everyone know.

The youtube video says the broadcast was on 6/19/07. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwnfCwHesjg

Also, keep in mind the TES website is under construction, as they seem to be revamping it. 

 ::MonkeyWaa::  Thanks 2NJ. 

We should thank Buckeye.     ::MonkeyWink::

I spent some time looking at the new format of the TES website the other day, noticing that they were transferring older things to the new sections.  I specifically was looking for their sponsor page, which existed on the old site, but got an error when searching for it on the new.  It could be that it just isn't set up, or they will just have a selected sponsor to be highlighted as seen now on the right side of the page. 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_51922.php

Google translation:

Aruba
Antoni Gario still Calypso and Road March
24 Jan, 2009, 14:07 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/24-aruba-calypso-koning.gif)

The Calypso King of last year, Antoni Gario, this may once again join the Calypso and Road March Contest.
ORANGE CITY - Antoni Gario, songwriter, composer and singer of Le groove and Calypso King last year, this time is again join the Calypso and Road March festival. He and counterparty Aruban Carnival Foundation (SAC), are together on this agreement in the courtroom.

SAC last year, because they have felt offended because the content of the Calypso Gario of the foundation which he greatly criticized the singer a penalty. Gario was as a result of SAC three years before joining the Road March and Calypso Contest, nor could he write lyrics for other participants.
Gario decided to challenge that decision in court. That he was involved was not one thing, says Gario, but that he no other singer or a Calypso Road March was writing, he could not accept. This would harm him, especially in financial matters.
SAC moved itself to the court. The foundation wanted Gario the insults which he SAC has made in his song, it would rectify. According to SAC Gario would not only in his song, but also in the media have said that the Carnival Foundation would be corrupt.
Advicaat Baiz, who has represented Gario, had the right to know that Gario is not responsible for what happens in a local Papiamento language newspaper was published on the alleged corruption in the SAC. According Baiz has Gario never given a response that paper, nor did he know that SAC corrupt. Furthermore, the lawyer present the parties stressed the right of free expression of Gario and the fact that the penalty of SAC is unfair.

SAC's lawyer that the case was not Gario of urgency, as this would heben waited a year before he took action against the sanction of SAC. According to lawyer Stijn Graves would punish Gario the credibility and reliability of SAC have been affected. The singer would have propositions must rectify.

The court decided that both sides should do in the wine and a joint declaration to come from. It should make it clear that he Gario away from the press reports about corruption in the SAC and the foundation Gario need to join the Calypso and Road March Contest.
Dutch  > English  swapTranslate   
 

Gario, friend of Clyde Burke.  Burke also is/was a member of the band Le groove.


http://www.yadoneknow.com/antoni.htm

Hi Monks,

Anyone seen this news already: PRdVries attacked by former drugbaron Steve Brown:

http://tinyurl.com/d5m8go

Same guy who attacked him twice before:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=EbkFGh0rAc0

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=zRojOvpQL68

Thanks Robert!  No, I hadn't seen that.  Please let us know if you see anything else about it.

 ::MonkeyCool::

I thought I heard in the video....when Natalee Holloway disappeared two
years ago.....but wasn't sure.

WWWWWWOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW.What a good night's sleep will do for a Monkey-Diver gone banana's!Good Morning to you Monkey's!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/01242009PPeterDeVries.jpg)

Good morning KTF!   ::MonkeyDance::

Good morning.Peter is OK isn't he?

I hope so!  He needs to drive with his doors locked and windows rolled up.  There are crazy people in this world.   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

So Tim ISN'T going to Aruba?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Amen!Monkey prayer's for Peter... ::MonkeyWink::

Guess not wreck, I didn't notice the video was old...sorry.   ::MonkeyWaa::

This is a conspiracy to make KTF go banana's and jump out of airplane's throwin banana's.Monkey-Diver's away!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: Headin out for the day.Have a great day Monkey's.BBL

KEEPTHEFAITH

No conspiracy here...ktf...just a mom looking for any tidbit of HOPE anywhere I can find it; the date on the TES website was 1/1/09...which I know NOW is the date it was uploaded there and NOT the date of the video.  I just need to stick with the papiamento I guess...or maybe just sit and wait for smarter more observant monkeys to bring some news.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck email pls.

Smarten up texasmom!

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

Nice hairdo.. ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Texasmom  - I left you and Janet a message in Musings

Sat Jan 24, 2009, 17:41
 Peter R. de Vries attacked in car

(http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00597/peterr_jpg_597151d.jpg)

AMSTERDAM - TV program maker Peter R. de Vries was injured Saturday when his car was attacked by Steve Brown, a former drug dealer with whom he is at loggerheads for years. De Vries has indicated that Saturday.
De Vries was attacked when he came to the RAI in Amsterdam was a traffic light. Brown pulled the crime reporter suddenly opened the door and began to store and shovels. The TV presenter could hardly defend because he stuck in his belt.

Bystanders were able to finally dismiss De Vries. They too were threatened by Brown, according to De Vries, when their crime data to the journalist wanted to provide in order to act as a witness. Brown eventually went off. Peter R. de Vries does declaration of abuse. He was among a cut on his jaw. He said "bewildered" and spoke of "crazy".

The police will investigate the matter once the declaration has been received, leaving a spokeswoman know. This means that they will hear Brown. At first, he will receive an invitation to come to a police station. If it does not, then the police to catch him. For him to actually, it is necessary consent of justice. If there is an arrest, it will therefore not on short notice.

In the summer of 2007 was even a physical confrontation between Brown and De Vries. When Brown came to the reporter at the time that the Milky Way in the Amsterdam wanted to go for the purpose of "The eve of the exciting book to attend.

Brown has been at De Vries targeted him in a broadcast of the crime program in the grain was taken in an item with the hidden camera. Moreover, De Vries and Brown were also up with each other in battle.

Thanks Johan!   ::MonkeyCool::

steve brown the Loser

(http://www.metronieuws.nl/img/340948655an.png)

With his friend Gerard Spong . .

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/SteveBrownSpong.jpg)

Brown didn`t look to good himself after attacking Peter this afternoon . .

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/12328218100_0653299816051529wngoed.jpg)

1/24/2009 Bondia Page 2

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Papiamentu translation:

aruba determina for intercambio of informacion encuanto possible exploracion of gas saturday, 24 january 2009 oranjestad—te still canciyeria venezolano not owing to reacciona on the peticion of aruba for combersa on the boramentonan experimental for gas in awanan teritorial serca esun of we country. good morning aruba owing to compronde of boss of direccion for asuntonan exterior, mr. augustin vrolijk, cu the peticion owing to bay for gobierno venezolano by embassy dutch at caracas, for one delegacion of aruba consistiendo alabes of one person of ministerio for asuntonan exterior of the netherlands intercambia thought on the test cu did take luga some time happen. do not so cu at the momentonan here have exploitacion of gas natural tumando luga. unicamente had indicacion cu one plataforma was in proceso for identifica y till even explora for see if have minanan of gas in awanan venezolano. aruba never had the impresion cu the exploracion here did take luga barely 14 mile as owing to stay publica in one articulo of washington times recientemente, but owing to base of informenan, wanted one aclaracion. locual aruba wanted is one intercambio of informacion for evita cu will can crea cualkier friccion innecesario owing to base of one tratado of 1978, time cu the two paisnan owing to bay of acuerdo of informa another if have plannan for explora petroleum or gas in awanan teritorial of another. not have to exclui cu aruba also will can dicidi for reaunuda exploracion, y in one caso so, will informa venezuela for evita cualkier malentendido. we country have one good relacion cu venezuela, y wanted mantene this under all circumstancia y the tratado of 78 is netamente formula for give base at the good relacion here. contrario at the articulo publica in washington times, aruba not owing to acusa venezuela never of owing to viola the tratado, specialmente because not have conocemento detail of kico all owing to happen in awanan teritorial venezolano. good morning aruba owing to compronde cu the articulo of anton foek of washington times owing to crea much iritacion serca gobierno venezolano cu owing to feel his self ataca for her mature cu we country will owing to acusa venezuela of owing to break palabracion. of another near, although aruba not owing to y do not haci acusacionnan in direccion of venezuela, is interesa if for achieve more dato for evita cualkier friccion in future. do not cuestion of desconfianza, because have sufficient tecnologia for determina if venezuela owing to bore, y where the exploracion owing to or is tumando luga. sinembargo, in caso cu we country also one day wanted reaunda esfuerzonan for explora for gas or minanan petrolero in we awanan teritorial, aruba have the obligacion of informa venezuela of such intencion. have to tell cu the peticion owing to bay for canciyeria venezolano for one meeting, y the ad owing to come at once cu the proceso will take his time, then still do not conoci what time will can achieve the meeting provided that cuestion. the gestion is uno of aruba y not of the netherlands. come across

Bastibro - this picture looks absolutely sinister.

He will receive an "invitation"   ::MonkeyConfused::   Johan, wouldn't the police arrest him immediately if he assualted Peter?  Can Peter get something like a restraining order against this crazy man?

Wow, what does Peter look like?  He appears to be in danger with all the cases he has worked on. I hope his "pretty" face is o.k.  ::MonkeyCool::

You think he will graciously decline the invitation with R.S.V.P.??    ::MonkeyConfused::

O/T ... sort of  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I had to laugh at the Headline >>

Thailand calls conference on refugees  ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/2009/01/23/D95TARU05_as_thailand_missing_migrants/

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Good one, Wreck!

So does Anna.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

I am flying to the church Valentines party in style.  Did you notice how CBB fixed up Ducky?  As I said in the Caylee Marie thread ... all heads will turn in my direction.  Not many 62 year old BOMBSHELLS come through the doorway of my somewhat conservative church.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

I noticed Janet!  You look mahhhhhvelous!   ::MonkeyDance::

I knoooow.  Thaaank yoooou Daaaarlin.

All I need is a rose in my mouth.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Tamikosmom Mom wrote:

I knoooow.  Thaaank yoooou Daaaarlin.

All I need is a rose in my mouth.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

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Careful what you ask for, you Blonde Bombshell you!! That can be arranged..     ::MonkeyCool::

I can't believe that somebody can just jerk DeVries out of a car and assault him in the middle of traffic, and LE just adds the guy to their invitation list !!!!

My My........if the unexpected keeps happening, they'll have to reorder from the engraver's!!

Surely, that just didn't translate right. Right?

It looks like DeVries managed to recover from the sucker punch enough to get a lick or two in himself. GOOD!

Goodnight monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::

Priority.

Goodnight, Texasmom!!  Sleep Well!!

Remember Tamikosmom in your prayers. I'm convinced she's going through a midlife crisis!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

She's going to burn the place down at the party!!

Now she's ready for the TANGO, no less!!  ::MonkeyShocked::

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 ::MonkeyCool::




I'm heading out to the monkey bunky, too. Sometimes I get the breath knocked out of me, just thinking of all the time that has passed and all the injustices done to Natalee's memory and her family. I just go on faith and believe that someday, there will be justice. It's NOT over!!!

Night all!!

http://www.aruba-bb.com

“Aruban Teens Are Well Behaved”



January 14th 2009, Aruba.



ORANJESTAD- The Aruban youth is considerably less violent than the Dutch youth according to the
study Youth Delinquency conducted by the University of Aruba. However the Aruban youth has
relatively twice as many social psychological problems than the Dutch youth. Fortunately the
psychological problems among the Aruban youth do not result in committing crimes and aggressive
behaviour.

Little over 90 percent of the Aruban youth enquired said that they have never used drugs or
alcohol. The study was conducted over a period of 2 years among Aruban youth in the age range of
13 to 17 years.

“Aruban teens are well behaved,” said project leader Hellen van de Wal during the presentation of
the results. “Comparing the youth of Aruba with that of The Netherlands is ideal, because there is
a negative impression of the Aruban youth on the island as well as in The Netherlands. Van de Wal
calls for a halt on bad press in regard to the Aruban youth.

The social psychological problems among the Aruban youth are a result of negligence from both
parents and teachers, said van de Wal. Teenagers are often left alone to fend for themselves after
school hours, and are subjected to other influences that can be bad. The Aruban society is
following the same trend as most western societies where both parents have a job, consequently
less time is being spent supervising and educating children.

Another factor is the big influence tourism had and still has on the Aruban society. Gambling,
drinking, and having pleasure play a prominent role in the way visitors experience the tourism
product the island provides. The youth of today has increasingly adopted this experience and made
it a part of their life.



Four Traffic Fatalities So Far In 2009

January 21st 2009, Aruba.


SAN NICOLAS-The Public Attorneys Office has requested the arrest of the 19 year old Dutchman
who caused the fatal accident last Saturday night. The Dutchman of the initials B.B. was the driver
of the car that crashed on the wall of a home in San Nicolas. The accident proved fatal for 21 year
old Billy Dorothal who was one of four passengers in the car.

Authorities investigating the accident believe that the driver may have consumed too much
alcohol. The Dutchmen is now held as a suspect in the death of Billy Dorothal. A blood sample of
the Dutchman is sent to a laboratory in The Netherlands for alcohol level testing.

Four persons have tragically lost their lives in Aruba in the first 20 days of 2009. The first fatal
accident happened in San Nicolas when an elderly pedestrian suddenly crossed the road and was
hit by a car. The second fatal accident happened in Oranjestad. A driver lost control of his
motorbike due to high speed and hit a tree. The driver suffered severe injuries to his head and was
not wearing a helmet. The third fatal accident happened in Balashi and was caused by a driver not
giving preference to another vehicle at a T-intersection.

High speed and ignoring simple traffic rules are the leading causes of almost all traffic fatalities in
Aruba.

By "Aruban" youth, I will assume they mean actually born on Aruba.  This would not include those born in Suriname, but going to school, living and working in Aruba? We all know that those "types" are not Aruban. What are the statistics for all the "non" Aruban youth?  Would Sebastian be considered Aruban, since he was born there...or Dutch, because of his parents?  Who really is considered an Aruban?

LMAO!!! As if they would say ... "Yeah man, I am fu*******k*d all the time man."   ::MonkeyLaugh::
Out of that 90% of kids who say they don't, count on at least 70% DO!

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_51920.php

Google translation:

Aruba
Acquittal for running on agents
24 Jan, 2009, 14:11 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The man who in 2007 with a pick-up in two agents had been run, yesterday was acquitted. The judge found no evidence that Jeffrey D. had acted intentionally.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) had four months required for the cell intentional infliction of bodily injury to the agents. It was also D. accused of his car with one of the agents have severely abused. It went for it stipulates that D. during the trading of drugs by the agents were caught and every possibility aangreep to escape. In doing so, the suspect's life agent K. at risk, concluded the OM. Although D. 26 days had already been established, justice was a heavier penalty still in place.

The court denied D. that he deliberately agents had reason. He told the court that he felt that the agents were on his door, but he ran backwards and it was not exactly what happened. His lawyer repeated that in his plea and insisted that there was no evidence that D. intentionally agents had reason. The lawyer stressed that his client looked back to the pick-up in reverse directions and that agent K. themselves in a life threatening situation had maneuvered. He therefore requested acquittal.

D. is no stranger to the police as it emerged from the testimony of the agents, which the court during the session voorlas. She stated that the incident took place in the alley next to the Hyatt and the Occidental Hotel. Since they were D. in the eye because he sold drugs to tourists. When they wanted to hold him, landed Agent K. on the hood of the pick-up which has started to run backwards. At one point opened K. the door, but was not strongly jump backward to sit between another car and the pick-up D.

The security camera of the Hyatt hotel, the whole event on May 26, 2007 registered. These images and statements of the agents, were insufficient evidence for the court to D. guilty to declare.

I agree Nut, and they're probably not "counting" Carnaval time!  EVERYBODY parties during Carnaval!  All the "rules" go out the window.  jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

The security camera of the Hyatt hotel, the whole event on May 26, 2007 registered. These images and statements of the agents, were insufficient evidence for the court to D. guilty to declare.

Witnesses, camera footage and of course confessions aren't good enough for a conviction.  What exactly convicts people??...not knowing the right people??

My thoughts on this were that he probably sells his quota of drugs to tourists, therefore even though his actions were caught on tape, he didn't INTEND to do what he was SEEN doing.  Now, if he didn't sell his quota....maybe his intentions would have been otherwise?????? jmo
 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Did they hire Anita to survey the kids on drug usage.  I hear she knows a lot, being a teacher and all.  She would be able to spot a user.  Yes, I think they did use her expertise for this report. The island is full of sporters.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, we all know Anita's been very busy with something!  And it's not making sure her youngest "sporter" is making better choices with his spare time.

Yes....but are they ALL delicious???

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

No, no...just the Dutch sporters can aspire to delicious status...others are just...tasty...

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_51915.php

Google translation:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_51915.php

Aruba
Doubling number of dancers Lighting Parade
24 Jan, 2009, 14:08 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The number of participants this time is involved with the Lighting Parade is almost doubled compared to 2008. This report Bibi Arends of the Aruban Carnival Foundation (SAC). "It was also expected because the carnival this year for the 55th time in Aruba is taken," said Arends. In total there to about 3500 people, which are divided into thirteen groups. "But registration is not yet closed, so the number of participants will probably still increase. Last year the carnival period slightly shorter and a bit low-key. It seemed as if the people were already kept in mind that this year was much higher, since the the 55th time. "

The procession of the Lighting Parade on Saturday February 14 accompanied by 16 bands on trailers and a brassband. The so-called 'lastlap band "that the music for the public to go behind subsequent care, Arends was still non-disclosure:" to have a bit exciting to keep. "

At eight o'clock in the evening light parade departs from the stadium in Dakota, where a show will take place from the opening Super Dancers dance, accompanied by the TBS Brassband. The road to the intersection at Kooyman and Dakota Shopping Paradise is at six o'clock in the evening closed to traffic, and an hour later, trailers with music bands in the sequence are drawn up.

Carnival Group Los Laga Bai leads the theme Trupialnan den Arikok Parke, and musical directed by Robert Jeandor and Solo Banda Show. The second group is the theme Hospi Jolly Golden Elegance or Emeralds and their relationship is Deja vu. Then comes T.O.B. with the theme It's Magic and Youth X-treme provides the music. Champagne follows as the fourth and is supervised by Reload / NBO. Their theme is Monarch of theWorld. The fifth in the parade Oreo-OPC with their theme Fantasy World. Hollywood is the theme of group Always Ambiente, which musically assisted by Search. Number seven is Serstevens Pleasanton & Teasers on the theme Flint Ones go Vegas. They have attracted Le Groove as a band. The carnival group of fast-food chain Kentucky Fried Chicken comes as the eighth over, and is supervised by the band The Creators. Diamonds group is accompanied by the band Climax, and their theme is Diamonds Fantasy. The members of Sunrise as tenth group over and have the theme of Celebration. They dance to the music of Tsunami. Number eleven in row with Majestic Majestic goes Black Tie and are supported by music of Impact. If twelfth in the light parade, the group Dushi addressed. Guided by the same Dushi band celebrate their Dushi Dance Party. The latter group is ANTG, with their themes and the Sailors ATNG exclude the Lighting Parade with music of their own ATNG band. This band, which consists of Aruban musicians living in the Netherlands, each year the crossing to the tropics to be part of Aruba's biggest party: Carnival.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Was he wrong? Or spot on?   ::MonkeyWaa::


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 01:08:07 PM » 

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I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.  

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yes, if prepared correctly  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Steve brown in a Interview :
But corruption is not only the police, including in the judiciary, said Brown  us. "After the IRT affair, five prosecutors have been replaced ,and 1  to Aruba. Then I thought: that person  is corrupt! Then go to the colonies, huh, nice picture in the national media. People in the higher echelons that are transferred, there is always more to the hand. "

Maar de corruptie zit niet alleen bij politie, ook bij justitie, bezweert Brown ons. “Na de IRT-affaire zijn vijf officieren van justitie allemaal overgeplaatst, van wie één naar Aruba. Toen dacht ik: die is corrupt! Dan ga je naar de kolonieën, hè, lekker uit beeld bij de vaderlandse media. Mensen in de hogere regionen die worden overgeplaatst, daar is altijd wat mee aan de hand.”

who was this corupt prosecutor ?

http://www.standejong.nl/wp-content/2008/03/nr280716stevebrown.pdf

I'm very afraid he was "spot on".   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  

I believe you posted this a few weeks back, texasmom.

I thought it was worthy of another 'repost'.   ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you, Red.




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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #602 on: March 01, 2008, 02:12:11 PM » 



I am a confused Monkey ...

Umm ... You know this really does not make any sense at all. I say this with the caveat that no one was more excited to hear that the deep water search was finally going to happen. I had heard rumblings of it long before it was ever announced and then it got delayed again until the RV Persistence arrived in Aruba. From all accounts the search lasted longer than what was most likely ever anticipated. It seems like they have been there forever doing yeoman's work searching for Natalee. That is to be commended and a huge thanks.

Now comes my questions. It was about a week ago that donations were first asked for. At no point prior to the Persistence leaving Louisiana during its voyage to Aruba or during the search were donations requested. Not even during the Date Line show was there one reference to donations or a ticker running at the bottom asking for donations, which I personally think was a mistake.

I guess my question is ... it would seem that the deep water search was never intended to be funded by donations. It was with up front money. I know this may be the business consultant in me but if that were the case, none of this makes any sense. With up front money one does not plan a search with available funds only to get 50%, 60% or 70% thru the task at hand.

Sure things happen and unforeseen variables occur. However, there are always contingency plans put in place. No one just looks up one day and sees $0.00 in their bank account, asks for donations and then 1 week later ceases actions.

I am a bit puzzled by all this. No one can count on donations to fund a search that is already going on like this. The deep water search in Aruba is not a normal missing persons search, to say the least. They just asked for donations and in some cases checks are still in the mail and have not been received, yet the search is over. So why did anyone ask for donations if they never gave the donations a chance?  And the search seemed to be targeted to be over on Friday.

I guess my question is why was the search not planned knowing that there was a finite amount of money and days available? That would mean that you cant just map everything and not further investigate the hits.

Imagine building a home knowing that you have $200K to spend. Between foundation, framing, electric and plumbing you are at $195K into your budget. Ut-oh. Who would do that? Why would the most important part of investigating hits not be accounted for in the search plan, knowing there was a limit to time and $'s?

I am just a bit puzzled. Actually I am really puzzled. 

I really thank them for their efforts, but I am puzzled.

Thanks Sharon!  Yes that post of Red's is well worth revisiting!

I still have a lot of questions about the fundraising efforts, and what the family was being told by those in charge of the search.  I know that the family was being asked to contact people who could provide major contributions...don't know what happened with that for one.

Without checking into this, my first thought is Karin Jansen.  She had issues in the Netherlands before she went to Aruba. 

?? Dato Steenhuis  ??

But don't think he made it. Caesu posted quite a bit.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.0

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Good morning Magnolia and Blonde! 

Good morning, all!
That post from Red in very insightful.  I had not seen that before.

TM, I never got to tell you yesterday.......you are a very smart
monkey.  Don't ever think otherwise.  You have my utmost respect.

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=231:tur-cos-ta-practicamente-cla-pa-parlamento-aproba-ley-di-drug-test-&catid=11:local&Itemid=56

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1/24/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

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Papiamentu translation:

adiccion of drugs is one ailment y have to trate because; such all cos is practicamente cla for parliament aproba ley of drug-test según mr. ronny bernadina the comision cu is encarga for work on the ley for haci testnan, yesterday morning owing to talk cu prensa, for splica con far this is. mr. ronny bernadina, ex alto comisario of police, is encabeza the comision here. ultimo dianan can owing to hear end some comentario of minister rudy croes on the topico here. have one mandato of minister of day 31 of july 2008, owing to form one comision bao of presidencia of mr. bernadina, cu the aim for minister of husticia conseho y recomendacionnan cu is ensera the maneho, the gastonan overall financiero, mara n’e ehecucion. one conseho preliminar of the comision at minister owing to wordo give at november 2008 end. según ronny bernadina owing to splica cu the comision owing to as various meeting cu several instancia y person for achieve one mihor view if the ley here can achieve sosten close they y also kico have to haci, some cambio necesario in the ley actual. have cu tell of this cu is achieve one sosten enough amplio. also is take at cuenta the consehonan cu had end, as esun of raad van advies y conseho of minister. owing to talk cu some sindicato, owing to talk cu hr management of one hotel, owing to talk cu hr management of gzm, cu is representa the hr management of mariniers kazerne of antiyas y aruba. also is as feedback cu minister of husticia self. is as feedback cu pg y owing to busca informacion p’e casonan cu had. the comision owing to busca of organizacionnan cu conoce one ley similar y so the.o. owing to study the ley cu have at philadelphia y igualmente owing to busca informacion at miami. the two leynan here have of tell cu consensus owing to wordo close first cu the sindicatonan, first cu they owing to work ley. cada police, cada person of brandweer at merca, know very good the instant cu they can take one test. hour cu have one accidente pisa, y because; person of brandweer or police, the is wordo getest also on the part drugs in urina. the comision owing to talk cu the representantenan of the academia of police at corsow encuanto of this also, p’asina they also give feedback for thing is deal of the ley provided that cuestion. the ley here at the netherlands, still not owing to stay neither introduci. prinicpal for arrive at recoge therefore.e. urina of one person have to know con is hacie, that is hacie y etc. the person cu haci dicho trabao have to is integro. según bernadina have to leave for of the sharp of view adiccion is one ailment. cu another word, have to trate also because; one ailment. y always have to have oportunidad for one person so achieve oportunidad owing to of can rehabilita, dus leave for of the sharp of view cu the is one ailment. give the person cu wordo achieve positive, one chance for can rehabilita. the is one problem social, dus not only the person, but his famianan rond of dje also do you have to can hincanan in the trayecto here. the motibo ey is wordo tell cu have to come cu one person of confianza. the ricibimento of informacionnan here is wordo haci by of one are of doctor y they will give esey at one person of confianza. the ley is cla, although have to haci some cambio still, first of mande parliament for his aprobacion.pero the will become one ley cu is count ; for everybody, for all ambtenaar, without distincion of his funcion. the person of confianza, for dirigi the drug-testnan here, have to being recluta still, según bernadina, for cual already the criterianan is on paper. of acuerdo cu the conteo of comision, have assure one 10 thousand person for haci the test here. soon will hear more of this.

Thank you Magnolia, that means a lot to me!   :smt052

I am not too sure about Janet's hairdo though ::MonkeyShocked::h!

I know....shhhh, she'll hear us.  I thought she needed encouragement.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can't help but wonder how Betico Croes would feel about the current status of things in Aruba.  Something tells me he would be very disappointed. jmo


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Papiamentu translation:

not have struggle without sacrificio y not have sacrificio without glory! betico croes, the visionario, arquitecto, constructor y realisador of we status aparte comunidad aruban is stop once more fast one day big diadomingo now 25 of january, date on cual we is celebra the natalicio of the leader inmortal, esta today in feliz memory gilberto françois (betico) croes. betico croes, as we all know, during 15 year largo (1971- 1986) owing to lidera the struggle holy of we people for saca aruba for of the constelacion antiyano. the struggle here not was uno facil, already cu we libertador owing to encontra much contratiempo in his caminda for realiza the longing y ideal of we people, esta we status aparte. history is comproba cu the people aruban by añanan 40 of siglo happen was anhela one aruba cu his own gbierno in kingdom dutch y cu lazonan special cu the netherlands. for decadanan largo more cu one politico owing to try haci algo n’e sistema estatal cu the people aruban was live inside, sinembargo none can owing to succeed this. was at year 1971 cu betico croes owing to achieve the inspiracion for arise his own faction politico cu the aim of structura estatal because; the principal topico for alcansa y trece one reparticion fair in the desaroyo economico. betico was know cu for succeed cualkier aim have to trece primeramente union in the people aruban, without distincion of raza, districto, religion, status financiero or color politico. in the proceso for uni the people aruban betico croes was the engine for give aruba his own anthem, flag, orthography, simbolonan of freedom y identidad of the people aruban. betico, owing to base of blood, sodor y lagrima, owing to perservera, owing to less all obstaculo in his caminda y together cu the people owing to percura p’e ideal of more big wordo realisa. in transcurso of añanan, several t’e evento, manifestacion y accionnan important cu betico croes owing to lidera p’asina vocifera the desire ferviente of the people aruban. here have to menciona the.o. the manifestacion masal in wilhelminastadion (18 of march 1973), marcha of freedom cu flambeu (18 of march 1975), inauguracion of anthem y flag (18 of march 1976), referendum (25 of march 1977), strike nacional during august dark (1977) y conferencia of table rondo (maart 1983). without doubt some, all the evento y accionnan here owing to conduci cu today we can talk of one status aparte for aruba. betico croes t’e great arquitecto, constructor y realisador of status aparte y this entrante first of january 1986. is thanks at his struggle, perseverancia y sacrificio today aruba have his own gobierno, parliament, governor, constitucion, institutonan as controlaria general, conseho social economico, banco central y own moneda. cu today aruba is prospera is thanks also at all the instrumentonan legal y economico cu country aruba owing to achieve mediante of his status aparte. the vision of betico croes was fenomenal, already cu therefore.e. at 1977 the netherlands y antiyas owing to declara cu organisacion of one referendum at aruba is algo inconstitucional y without none clase of value. sinembargo after of casi 30 year, tanto the netherlands y antiyas owing to guli they word, already cu they self owing to organisa referendumnan estatal y owing to give all clase of value n’e result end. this then is demostra con big betico croes ta; one person cu is wordo respeta internacionalmente, already cu the is one estadista carga cu vison, curashi y determinacion. is pesey let we all as one great family acudi at plaza libertador betico croes diadomingo now y as demostra we gratitud for all thing betico croes owing to haci for we comunidad on territory estatal y cu today we all can march cara at air y tell cu is aruban we all is.

Louis Schaefer was a guest on a talk show ... I cannot remember which one.  Anyways ... he was portrayed and... he portrayed himself as a Philanthropist.  In otherwords the search for Natalee Holloway's remains was a labor of love.  My understanding was that funds were not necessarily a concern but .. donations would be excepted through Texas Equuaseach to defray some of the costs.

Maybe somebody knowS the interview that I am referring to.  I will search later.  Time to get ready for church.

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!

Later, Janet
8:30 PM PT

Morning all.... just peeking in and have to say that it shocked me too Magnolia! LOL

Good morning Janet and Cubbeegirl!   ::MonkeyCool::

Insightful, yes.

Either none of these guys have the first clue on how to put together a plan to run a business, an operation or a project.......

or this was just another 'Aruba Truth' (credit to Frank) WTF moment?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: One more of the many  'shot between the eyes', 'I feel sick to my stomach' sensations we have experienced for nearly 4 years as we wait for justice. As the onion is peeled and more layers of truth are exposed. But Aruba justice does not care :-(

Yes -- Texasmom is very smart, as are you Magnolia  ::MonkeyWink:: All the monkeys are. When it comes to determination to sift thru the flood and find the truth  ::MonkeyCool::


JANET you look mahhhhvelous  ::MonkeyTongue::

I Agree Magnolia...TM is One Smart Monkey and She is Very Much Appreciated by This Monkey!  ::MonkeyWink::

Good Day Monkeys! BBL!

Janet

November 29, 2007

 Schaeffer said he's retired, has the money, and was touched by the Holloways' tragedy and wanted to help.

"My only objective is to find Natalee, to bring her home for Dave and Beth and also to help identify the people that did this to her. This is a terrible thing, an injustice, and I want to help solve the case," said Schaeffer.

"We've known since [May 2005], the FBI told us Natalee's not with us anymore," Dave Holloway said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/29/aruba.holloway/index.html

Yes, I do!  How many times does this nutcase get to attack de Vries before something is actually done about it?  I mean other than the issuing of an invitation?  It seems very difficult to get a conviction of any kind under this system and then the sentencing is very light.

My feelings from the information I have now is that it was an "Aruba Truth" moment, by AMERICANS!  I expect it from Aruba, it's unforgivable that this was done by Americans.  jmo

This would indicate that at least Beth's side of the family was aware of what was happening.  Tends to vindicate the frog, imo.  Other family members might think differently but I tend to go with no search valid where only ALE has access to evidence.

All of them.  It would seem only two kinds are sent to Aruba--the corrupt and the incompetent.

Take your pick as to who is which.

.

If this is an example of management, no wonder this company went bankrupt.

Red is exactly right, no one would spend every last cent mapping only.  That is if the objective was to find Natalee.  Very strange methods of operation, IMO.

Does anyone else remember when Nels went to visit the Chinese?  I believe he was to also discuss drilling for oil with them.  We have the whole world drilling for oil in this hemisphere.

Well, everybody except us, of course.  I guess a map would have a huge marketplace to chose from.  ChiComs, Ruskies, Dutch, you name it, they are all drilling where we don't and would any or all of them be very interested in seeing what is on the ocean floor in any given location?  Would they pay for that information?

Thanks Hotping!  I appreciate you too!   :smt052

Our Dept of State has said one in four in Aruba uses cocaine.  So if we remove the elderly and children from that equation and now the teens, guess that would mean practically every adult is stoned out of their gord.  They would be the only ones left.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

That might explain a lot of things.  All assuming that the kids on the survey also never lie.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

And that adults reporting don't either.


 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I have lost a lot of faith in my fellow man as a result of all I have seen during the course of all of this tragedy.


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I appreciate all monkeys and just the fact that they are still here means a great deal.

That article about Dompig is very troubling.  It says he was a tremendous chief of police? 

I assume they are referring to size?


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

In that case, Dennis Jacobs was even more tremendous!

 ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Wouldn't they also drill for gas? very rich gas reserves off the coast of Venezuela.

Maybe kids means less than teen= those under 13.

Venezuela worries Aruba

Anton Foek THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Tuesday, January 13, 2009
ORANJESTAD, Aruba

On a clear day, one can easily see Venezuela from the southern part of this tiny Dutch Caribbean island - and its flaming towers drilling for oil and gas.

Russia and Venezuela recently began a joint drilling project in the waters bordering Aruba. The government of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez claims 28 fields holding an estimated 27 trillion cubic meters of natural gas.

A Russian consortium that includes the state-owned Gazprom is exploring five fields. One of them - Cardon 3 - is less than 14 miles away from Aruba.

The project is causing concern in Aruba and the Netherlands, which is responsible for Aruba's foreign affairs, because Venezuela did not inform either in advance of its plans, thereby violating an agreement signed in 1971 and ratified in 1986.

This Dutch-Venezuelan couple and their baby have found what they hope remains a safe harbor and home on Aruba. The government, however, is concerned about a Venezuelan project to drill for oil and natural gas nearby.

"They do not really need to ask us for approvals or permission to drill, but needed to inform us," said Jocelyne Croes, a political minister at the Dutch Embassy in Washington. "We signed a treaty about that, and now they are generating new frictions in situations that used to be under control."

Mr. Chavez announced recently that Russia and Venezuela are "strategic partners" in oil and gas exploration. Speaking on television from a drilling platform in the Gulf of Venezuela, he said the exploration was "an act of sovereignty, as we are liberated from the evil Yankee imperialism."

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin smiled as the Venezuelan leader spoke.

Mr. Sechin said five of Russia's largest energy companies have taken a 20 percent stake in a national consortium formed to explore another oil-rich area, Venezuela's Orinoco River basin. Petroleos de Venezuela SA will have the controlling stake in the project.

Since World War II, when Aruba started to refine Venezuelan heavy crude, Venezuela has claimed possession of the Dutch Caribbean islands. Some here fear that the government of Mr. Chavez might invade the Netherlands Antilles and take possession of the islands.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/13/venezuela-worries-aruba/

Remember Tim Miller said that the search could go in from Venezuela if Aruba refused to cooperate and they really needed to do so.

Wouldn't this indicate some prior contact with that country to arrange for this accommodation?

I wonder what the reaction was at Janet's very conservative church this morning when they saw her new hair-do.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

And the rose. . . .
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, I remember it well Anna. 

I also heard about the some of the crew doing some island hopping while they were there too, but I have no proof of that.

Probably lots of gasps and whispers...   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, I would think all petroleum and petroleum products.  And Oduber has mentioned a pipeline from Venezuela to Aruba for natural gas.

Yes this seems likely. The Washington  Post article about the drilling for natural gas and oil seems to mention that Aruba has some agreement with Venezuela that Aruba should have been notified before this latest drilling was started. I would imagine searching would be notified also.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nope.  This morning I took off the blond wig.  My hubby cried.

I am saving my "new look" for the church Valentine party.  However ... I do not think there will be any "gasps or whispers".  Everyone will be speechless when their heads turn and their jaws drop to their knees.

Happy Sunday All!

 ::MonkeyDance::

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Happy Sunday to you too Janet! 

 ::cartwheel::

Thanks Buckeye.

++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

I. Mobilization
 
The final and most elaborate search for Natalee Holloway has begun. A search of this size and complexity, utilizing some of the best equipment and personnel in the world would typically cost around $80K per day, or well over $1 Million. However, due to some deep-pocketed private benefactors and mass-charitable collaboration among multiple equipment lease and marine survey companies, this project is being conducted... without charge. Neither the US or Dutch government is paying for it. A lot must happen before the ocean search occurs.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


III. The Transit
 
What sets this project apart from others from the search and exploration perspective is how multi-faceted it is. The obvious sides are it's financial philanthropy and technological application, which is what is predominantly reported on (and rightfully so).

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/iii-transit.html

Happy Sunday Janet!!

Actually my church has evolved over the eyars to only somewhat conservative.  The younger people/families ... married and single ... have created a much more inviting atmosphere without compromising the church's mission of proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  We have gone from one service to two services on a Sunday morning.  An building project is now in the works that will provide a much larger sanctuary to accomodate members of the congregation who are seated on folding chairs in the entrance rather than the nice cushioned benches.

Janet

dang just when I was going to invite you to join the hair club for monkeys..... ::MonkeyWink::

Labour Union Agreed On Mandatory Drug Testing For Their Members At Holiday Inn


December 03 2008, Aruba.


PALM BEACH-The management of Aruba Holiday Inn Hotel & Casino has decided to submit all of
their employees for a mandatory drug test without previous notice. Employees were warned in
advance that those who were found positive for the use of drugs will be discharged immediately.
However the employees were not given a day in which they will be submitted for a test.

The management kept its word, and a mandatory drug test was done recently. A few employees
tested positive for the use of drugs, and were discharged by management. The number of
employees that tested positive is not known. The spokesperson for Holiday Inn confirmed
that a few employees tested positive, and they were asked not to return back to work.

The labor union representing the employees at Holiday Inn (FTA) was aware and agreed on the
mandatory drug testing. The drug test came right after the management signed a new labor
agreemeent with FTA. The management of Holiday Inn is striving for a personnel body that is
drug free, and assured its employees that the mandatory drug test has nonthing to do with the
signing of the new labor agreement.

The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes has announced a similar mandatory drug test among
government employees last summer, but no testing has been done so far. It appears that many
hotels and private companies on the island will now follow the example of Holiday Inn for
mandatory drug testing.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=65178

1/23/2009

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=677433

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Can stand to look that this puke.

1/23/2009

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=676745&g2_page=2

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=677267&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=af0fa0f175176e06f98ef1104db607e8)

sorrrrry San! 

1/23/2009

Mambo Jambo

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=677271

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Is that who I think it may be?  LVR

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Sure looks like him to me. Looks like he's put a bit of weight on.

I don't think so. LVR is too cool to take pics with those two.

Nope

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Thanks everyone!

Well, you got a point there  ::cartwheel::

I don't think it's him either-older. But thanks for keeping the searching eyes of the world on the guilty TM.

Seeing them side by side, I must agree. They are not the same person, but boy, oh boy, wonder if they are often mistaken for each other? That could be interesting  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks BB, I'm keeping my :cyclops: on them!   ::MonkeyWink::

Was beginning to think Freddy had skipped the country, hadn't seen him in a while.

Anna is on a roll today.   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I couldn't imagine Venezuela would allow a ship like the Persistence to enter their waters with or without permission. JMO

In the following Tim Miller/Greta interview ... Tim states that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti contacted him regarding the undertaking.

Janet

++++++

Natalee Holloway: Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch Discusses Crab Trap, Clothing and DNA Found in Waters of Aruba
February 27, 2005 2008

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/

FOX ONLINE - JAMIE COLBY
July 15, 2007

COLBY:  Tim, why are they (Arubans) standing in your way?

MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."

 

Janet ROCKS!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

I've been listening to every Dana show I could find, thought I might have heard Tim say it!!!!

Tim Miller's words...

"I've been trying to put this together for two and a half years...Louis Schaefer came forward with John Silvetti."

Janet,

I believe the date in post 280 should have been 2008.....I can fix it for you.

In May, 2008 ... MumInOhio and Tamikosmom were one in regards to CAPS being a distraction to the truth.  The link to confirming posts is below.

Now I have discovered that in March, 2008 Mum's frustrations with Shango reflects Tamikosmom's frustrations perfectly.

Mum ... please share why you returned to the CAPS bandwagon.  Obviously ... you have been enlightened in some regard.  However ... those of us posting at SM have not.  It is unfair that CAP supporters at CnG undermine/bash those at SM who are at the same place you yourself was at at one time.

This division between Monkeys ... who from the getgo have been on a mission to expose those who are participants in the task of preventing justice from prevaling for Natalee Holloway ... must come to an end.

All info should be shared and respectfully discussed.

Janet

++++++++


SHANGO

MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #972 on: March 19, 2008, 09:19:28 AM »

Texasmom…I have searched Rufo Solognier and the other Solognier listed in the Dr. Phil documents more than once. Probably spent hours. I have probably searched 90% of the names mentioned in this case. I know that you have done the same, hours and hours of research I mean.

Right now I am a little perturbed, after obviously wasting my time reading back this morning as I did not learn a darn thing about either of them or Steve Croes that I did not already know.

Personally I have shared most of what I have found and there is probably enough ‘useless information’ from me in the ‘Shango thread’ to write a book.

If a poster knows something…spill it…or just keep it to yourself!!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366588;topicseen#msg366588


CAPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4248.msg643545;topicseen#msg643545


++++++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #450 on: January 02, 2009, 10:35:03 PM »

Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS.  You backed up ;your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed.  Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.

Mum ... it is so important to me.  I want to know what changed your position.

Sincerely, Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609481#msg609481


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #454 on: January 02, 2009, 11:06:23 PM »

Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL

Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609545;topicseen#msg609545

Thanks so much 2NJSons

Janet

texasmom ... I heard the words that we have all been wanting to know quite by accident.   I was listening to the video in regards to Tim Millers take on the contents of the trap/cage.

There does not seem to be a Greta transcript of this interview.  I could be wrong.

Janet

You're welcome, Janet. 

Thank you Janet.

Thank you TM.

'Proactive' benefactors. Interesting.

Hi Sharon!!!

Janet

What difference would it make if they went in through Aurba's waters or if they went in through the back door from Venezuela?  Either way they HAD to be in Aruban waters to search for Natalee.  So why say they would go in through Venezuela  when either way had the same destination?  Doesn't make sense to me.

Sorry, duplicated the post (locked up on the try). Please delete the first post

Done.

I agree.

Tim Miller's words made me think way back when that the search of Natalee Holloway's remain was going to be conducted in International waters.  However ... Klaas set me straight.

Janet

Janet, wasn't it originally believed that she was located somewhere in International waters?  What happened that allowed them to search in Aruba waters?  I thought they did not want them within sight of their island for fear it would affect tourism.

O.K. Kermit hasn't been seen or heard from since before the election.  Is she on guard duty or what?   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyTongue::

correction

Could it have been a John Silvetti/Aruban understanding??

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

Janet

+++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:  John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

I fear that Fine Frog got stomped in the inauguration crowds.  ::MonkeyWaa::

RIBBIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think Kermit may frolicking at the back of Tamikosmom's property jumping from one lily pad to another while Miss Piggy is have a mud bath in the same pond.

I will send hubby out to fetch them while I get the Shoefly pie out of the freezer and ... put it in the oven to warm.  Out of respect for Miss Piggy ... I sill set aside the pork cutlets I was about to cook and ... just cook up the veggie stir fry and rice.

After dinner ... I will instruct that delinquent frog to touch base with cage.  I will inform him/her that man Monkey fingers have been tapping in anticipation of his/her next revelation in regards to the deception of the Persistence undertaking.

Later, Janet
5:15 PM PT
 

 ::MonkeyShocked::

EWWWW!

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Say it ain't sooooooooo!!!!!!  It can't be!!!!!!!

But then again San and I put out the largest insects I've ever seen in my life...and no Kermit!

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

I thought Kermit posted yesterday?

Nope, posted the 19th

Maybe she did go to DC?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

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Texasmom - I was wrong, it was the 19th I just checked her profile.

thanks Klaas..whew, thought I'd missed something!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyone interested, there is a special tonight about Air Force 1 and Marine 1. It's on National Geographic at 10 & 11 Central.

42,000 people in "Security"  - they may have called in all "former" agents as well!  ::MonkeyCool::

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Papiamentu translation:

seminario combina of payroll pro & invu one exito enormous! diahuebs 22 of january ultimo at home of cultura payroll pro owing to organisa one seminario big cu one panel consistiendo of various specialista of azv, directie arbeid y servicio of tax. y the year here past owing to wordo combina together cu one software paket new cu is wordo ofreci by of ace aruba, esta invu. payroll pro is percura for 80% of the payment of salarionan at aruba, y the cantidad is follow crece. dick rikkengaa, senior consultant of ace aruba (distribuidor of payroll pro) y moderador of the seminario, after of one introducion of the seminario owing to give one presentacion amplio of the cambionan in administracion of salary compara cu year happen. alabes past owing to give the opcion y posibilidadnan new cu payroll pro have. after of the koffiepauze, robbert van der sloot owing to follow cu one demostracion of invu. documento y ehempelnan of usage daily paper owing to wordo using for show the advantage of one electronic document management systeem. the publico owing to stay impresiona cu the form con could you spaar time y espacio dentro of you organisacion cu one sistema so. for majority of the bishitantenan the was the first trip cu they're achieve the oportunidad of look at one declaration of policy so. after of one presentacion interesting, the publico can owing to come at word, y cu much entusiasmo owing to haci usage of the oportunidad here for haci question, n’e panel consistiendo of specialistanan of azv, directie arbeid y servicio of tax tocante various topico cu is deal administracion of salary, payroll pro y invu. the evenemento here, cu owing to wordo organisa by of gamma research (desaroyador) y ace aruba (distribudor of payroll pro y invu), at first luga p’e clientenan of payroll pro, owing to conduci at much entusiasmo bao of the miembronan of the panel y the publico. consecuentemente have one interest directo for organisa the next seminario. come across

Who is Robert van der Sloot?

Posted on the front page of SM:

ayfit wrote:


My post does not relate to this subject. My post relates to Natalee Holloway. I got word today [from the most reliable source] Beth left for the shooting of the upcoming movie. You know the LMN movie about Natalee. Buckle up Aruba. It’s gonna be a rough ride. All you good people in Aruba [I know there are many] It’s time to put pressure on your justice system and your officials. Bring those responsible [everyone knows who they are] to justice.The movie will air in April of this year. Aruba , Things do come around.


Jan 25, 8:54 PM

http://fatboyusa.com/fatboy_worldwide.php

Aruba Wibi
  Robbert van der Sloot
  Paradera 140-A
  Tel:00297 5607783
  robbert@fatboyaruba.com
  www.fatboyaruba.com


http://www.bemba.com/Choller

Nickname:  CHOLLER

Robbert van der Sloot
30 year old male from Paradera, Aruba

I don't know anything other than what you found.  Finbar hinted that there was another Vandersloot in Aruba a long time ago over in Shango IIRC, and we found his name then.  I remember the Fatboy chair thing.  I think he's a relative but I'm not really sure.

 www.fatboyaruba.com

I thought it referred to Sebastian.  ::MonkeyConfused::

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck - ha ha  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Good evening Monkey's.So is it safe to say that Louis and John interjected themselves?TIA

Doesn't "DNA found" at least indicate that human remains were found in that trap??

This Persitence crap pisses me off to no end!Absolutely unbelievable!

Does this ayfit reside in Aruba?  If so........................  ::MonkeyDance::

Another offspring of Paulus?

Hi Keepthefaith.

 ::cartwheel::


I suspect that the Tim Miller's organization was duped into being used to collect funding for a venture that was not about justice for Natalee Holloway ... it wasall about oil mapping the Aruban ocean floor.

Janet

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Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
« Reply #604 on: Today at 05:51:26 PM »

We are told this is from an email, and it explains what Jug said to someone else about John Silvetti and what Jug knew:

"I (lalasmom) asked Jug about Schaeffer ... he is the oil guy. He was the one that provided the cash to get down there. Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped .... while they were looking ... the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.  They do a large mapping process while they are looking for the details. Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc...while they looked for Natalee too.

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.msg631525#msg631525


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:  John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

Why wouldn't Aruba at least purport to the world that DNA of SOMEONE was found? Why wouldn't they at least make up some story of a drug smuggler or something? They just pretended it didn't exist.

Does to me wreck.  Now the big question is will it ever be known who's DNA it was.  I have my doubts.

Good question.  I guess the answer is No One is talking about it except us. Unless it is in the media/news Aruba will ignore it.

Because they didn't think anybody knew what they took from that trap/cage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't believe so.  From the post I'd guess he/she lives closer to Birmingham?

Greta sure has become very quiet lately.  Wonder why?

Good Evening Janet.Trying to post and watch Extreme Makeover.Gotta balance my frustration with wonderful positive story's.I continue to be at a loss for words regarding what transpired.Makes me sick!

Kyle Kingman ... as an expertise in the field ... was qualifed to analyze the data shown on the ROV images.  He determined that in all probability Natalee Holloway remains were inside that trap/cage.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:  The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle:  I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

It would be interesting to know if anyone on the Persistence ever met with DTKM??

Extreme Makeovers!!!

Take a gander at the extreme makeover CBB did on me.  A church Valentine function coming up and ... I wanted a new me.

I missed my midlife crisis so ...

Janet

Enough with the riddles!!  Spit it out or ... I am going to call you CAPS/SHANGO.

Janet

What's his name Duetekom??Potenially Dirtyhand?