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You Mods are funny!God Bless you all! ::MonkeyLaugh::

MUFFY! LOL!

Note:  3 replies, 67 views on this brand new thread...

I just want to say  to Anna that I am sorry if it appeared I was yelling at you in the last thread :oops:

That was definitely not my intent. And your point, that no one is disputing our statement, is exactly on target.

I just wanted to make sure that the post was easily 'readable'. It appears that sometimes we have posters who don't bother to read what other people post before they begin the derailment, and I wanted to do my part to make sure this was 'catchy'.

Because it is the truth.

Big apologies if you thought for even one moment I was yelling at you :-(


now i gotta go bak ta work

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

TY, Sharon.  No, I didn't think you were yelling at me.

I just wand to see the proof that Kyle did NOT say all those things if anybody has it.

No one does, it seems.

Nope.But the people that talk with him seem to believe his rationalization for such statements. ::MonkeyConfused::

Kermit never said the email from Lala's was addressesd to him or sent directy from her to him.

Kermit never said the email from Lala's was addressesd to him or sent directy from her to him.

Kermit never said the email from Lala's was addressesd to him or sent directy from her to him.

LIFESONG

"Can someone please explain to me what Kermit's gender or occupation has to do with Natalee Holloway, her vicious murder, and the government-sanctioned coverup thereof?"

Amen Anna

Just thought I'd sign in, don't want to be perceived as a 'guest'  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Kermit, I want to apologize for all the slings and defamations against you, if others don't have the maturity to do so.

ldstlou, why don't you speak with Beth? If you are so determined to speak only with family and feel it's your inalienable right to do so - then speak with Beth please.

I frankly am tiring of seeing Natalee's family drug into this day after day after day.....but whatever you kids want.

REE

"VMS, I speak for only myself, but I personally don't care what Kermit's occupation is.  IMO the emails she posted speak for themselves.  I have no problem with any of the emails posted, but I do take issue with the crap SS posted yesterday."

KERMIT

"Just so everyone here knows I am well aware of them giving that information over to Aruba too."   


KEEPTHEFAITH
I thought this was important to bring over in case you don't read the previous thread!

Jug does know. He may just not be informing Idstlou
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
January 17, 2009, 06:21:44 PM »
Kermit ... who is "I".
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.660
XXXX:  Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:10 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Here is a snippet from an email I rec'd from Lalas.
I asked Jug about Schaeffer...he is the oil guy. He was the one that provided the cash to get down there. Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.
They do a large mapping process while they are looking for the details. Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc...while they looked for Natalee too.

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer

She did so Ana

Hi none

Hugs.

I believe if you read the this mornings posts on the last thread ... Monkeys were upholding Kermit 100%.

O/T!  Hey ... I will not tell the other Monkeys but ... have you met that tall, handsome European yet.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

Nonsie, I don't know why you keep wanting to jump me? You and I have always gotten along. First you tell me not to bother the family, then you tell me to call Beth. Do you just want to give me a hard time and if so why?

I know Jug enough to be able to ask him about the Persistence. I asked him and he answered. Why does that bother you?

Lisa, look at that quote again.  XXXX sent it to Kermit and said he/she rec'd it from Lala's. 

From VMS last thread

Ree - I have presented facts.  Please check your facts.  I have not posted emails.  If you will check back through the threads, you will see that each of these statements are directly from posts made on SM in the NAH thread.  These are not emails.  I do not post emails.  These are SM discussions.

VMS, I was not referring to your emails.  I was referring tho those b*tching about Kermit posting emails from others and SS posting Kermit's personal info.  Again I don't give a d*amn who Kermit is, because her documentation speaks for itself.

I have library duty so I have to run. Have a good day all.

Maybe it's how you got to know Jug that may be bothersome or uncomfortable for many of us.  I, personally, would not contact a family member directly.  jmo

Guess you won't get your answer 2nj! ::MonkeyConfused::

She did NOT, isa.

MuffyBee ... now that you have a barricade for protection ... will you aim and fire at the next driveby with words that have been carefully considered.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

That is within the context of the quote, even after the date, etc.  That is what the person who sent this to Kermit said, not Kermit.

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I will keep the words in my head to myself, at this time. 

Hi Janet (http://bestsmileys.com/waving/5.gif)

Have no idea what you are talking about nor will I address this. If there is a rumor you have heard and want me to address, just send me an e-mail...but other than that..won't address slander or inuendo.
I am late...library duty calls.

Giving personal information to Aruba! ::MonkeyEek::

(From:) XXXX  (Date:)Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:10 am

You still didn't answer 2nj question,and or Anna's?????????????????????

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

As inappropriate as it is to contact the family directly, it would be very nice if those people who chose to do so anyway would at the least get the facts straight.  Sadly, they just can't be bothered with that aspect.

If ... as Lou contends .. Jug Twitty continues to upholds the Persistence undertaking ... then I do not believe for one minute that Natalee's stepfather has received a full compilation of Kyle Kingsman's own words ... Kyle Kingsman's own words that expose the betrayal of John Silvetti ... the betrayal that implies the opportunity to bring his stepdaughter home to rest on American soil may have been lost forever.

Maybe the timing is right for Jug Twitty to be made aware.

Janet

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'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'The Abrams Report' for July 1
updated 7:47 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She deserves it, and everyone knows it, Martin, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/

It is referred to as "collaborating with the enemy" ... the enemy who has had an agenda since day one to prevent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyNoNo::  No rumor, no slander or inuendo intended...I find it odd that you seem ruffled by my post.  Somehow, an initial contact had to occur, and it's highly unlikely that Jug sought out Lisa in St. Louis by phone or email.  Again, this is just my opinion, and I have no desire to speak to you other than here.   ::MonkeyTongue::

XXXX = LEAK

I think this is VERY important and deserves as much attention as The Persistence!This is what Natalee's family has been up against since day one.It coming from people who purporte to be seeking JUSTICE FOR NATALEE is sickening!You all should be ASHAMED of yourselves! ::MonkeyNoNo::

I find it very telling that they stayed for 4 months and the only human dive was the one done on the cage, which Silvetti & Trehan claim contained nothing.

Exactly Lifesong!Good thinking! ::MonkeyCool::

Oh, you WISH!

No, there is absolutely NO RUMOR but basic manners and appropriate behavior involved.  But I guess there is no way to explain that.  Either you realize and know what is appropriate or you don't.  Most adults do. 

How about we each one call up the family every time we can think of an excuse or even to referee our internet squabbles?

Haven't they been through enough?  Do they all have to change their numbers?  I'm sure they would be very reluctant to do that since they have given those numbers to people who might actually have information for them. 

Hugs back Janet......

You are such a good proofreader, please know I meant those who continue to slam Kermit's words, life, occupation, person - certainly not those of you who have always been supportive of Kermit.

No tall europeans yet.......can't say I'm looking but may I have some of your divine shoofly pie?

 ::MonkeyWink::

2NJ said:

Anna, are you saying those of us here do not have clear heads?   


LOL!  You got me on that one.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I should have said additional clear heads instead of more clear heads.  Yes, I do think it would help now to have additional clear heads.  To go with those already here, that is.

ldstlou

My intent is not to "jump you". My intent is to simply state if you feel you must speak with the family that it might be best to contact Beth. You have Jug's opinion but does he speak for Beth? I don't know that answer.

Like Anna and NJ Son's Mom indicated, if it were me, I would not be calling or emailing the family about every inch of this debate. That is my personal choice and yes, you and I differ in that regard.

Agreeing to disagree is what adults do. I did not insult or jump you.

THE PRODICAL SON

Luke 15:11-32 (NLT):

11 To illustrate the point further, Jesus told them this story: “A man had two sons.

12 The younger son told his father, ‘I want my share of your estate now before you die.’ So his father agreed to divide his wealth between his sons.

13 A few days later this younger son packed aLL his belongings and moved to a distant land, and there he wasted his money in wild living.

14 About the time his money ran out, a great famine swept over the land, and he began to starve.

15 He persuaded a local farmer to hire him, and the man sent him into his fields to feed the pigs.

16 The young man became so hungry that even the pods he was feeding the pigs looked good to him.  But no one gave him anything.

17 When he fina!y came to his senses, he said to himself, ‘At home even the hired
servants have food enough to spare, and here I am dying of hunger!

18 I will go home to my father and say, 'Father, I have sinned against both heaven and you,

19 and I am no longer worthy of being ca!ed your son. Please take me on as a
hired servant.'

20 So he returned home to his father. And while he was still a long way off, his
father saw him coming. Filled with love and compassion, he ran to his son,
embraced him, and kissed him.

21 His son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against both heaven and you, and I am no longer worthy of being called your son.’

22 But his father said to the servants, ‘Quick! Bring the finest robe in the house
and put it on him. Get a ring for his finger and sandals for his feet.

23 And kill the calf we have been fattening. We must celebrate with a feast, 24 for this son of mine was dead and has now returned to life. He was lost, but now he is found.’

So the party began.

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None,

I believe the problem is those who no longer want to be here also don't want to allow us to have or voice our own opinions.  Mention Kyle and Kermit and here they come.  I don't know what LDSLou's role in this is.  I have no problem with her opinions, but she cannot seem to allow us to have a discussion about ours without bashing Kermit.

Thank you Ree, I appreciate your insight very much.

And.Why is that? ::MonkeyConfused::

It's good to see you back again.

IMHO somebody at CnG is feeding her crap.  She obviously isn't answering them all herself, because it appears she's not even reading the whole message she's responding too.  Shame, because I liked her.

Sorry.  No can do.

By mistake ... I fed Kermit's Grandma's Shoofly Shoo Pie to my eldest son's French Canadian inlaws the other evening rather than my strawberry/rhubarb pie.  They wolfed down their first slice and ... requested seconds.

I assume that a nationality that considers frog legs cooked in a wine sauce as a delicacy will eat anything.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey ... to clarify ... I think this couple is just great ... even if I have to share my beautifuly two year old grandson with them.  I hate sharing.

  ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

Me too!

  ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

If she is friends with anyone at CnG that is self-explanatory to me.After Kermit posting that people are sending personal information to Aruba is dispicable to say the least.If you are going to associate yourself with such behaviour.You get NO respect from me!That's just my opinion!

KEEPTHEFAITH

Thank you Ree and thank you for trying to keep the work here honest too.  ::MonkeyWink::

I appreciate that some posters have formed "real life" friendships and relationships over the course of this case, and I have a healthy respect and affection for really all but a few (SandraK, BonDia, etc.) of the familiar screennames that have posted here all along or post here now. 

That said, I only ever came here for Natalee so I don't have a problem calling it like I see it.

This stuff is all about people supporting an ex-monkey (whoever the "Leader" is at C&G, I guess) who is either off their meds or has run amuck on a twisted power-trip over the internet.  My suggestion would be if you actually care for this person to get them some help - away from their computer.  Feeding this person's ego can not be healthy. 

Next time anyone calls Jug or Dave or any other family member - why don't you explain to them how copying SM posts into the hidey hole and obsessing over what's going on over here is helping Natalee.

While you're at it, you can send all of our info to Aruba if it makes you feel important.  Print out all of our posts and FedEx them for all I care.  They are just using you and laughing at you behind your backs.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyWink::   I agree.  It was made in jest.  You have said often, what someone posts can be interpreted many different ways.  (you see it your way, I see it mine) This can be a good thing, new ideas and questions come forth, people can agree or disagree. 

It is also good to walk away for a little bit.....I just tried that, because being misinterpreted was affecting my response. 

No pie?   ::MonkeyWaa::

I think now I'll have to make some cupcakes........I made Cat Cora's lasagna last night and I think it rivaled frog legs  ::MonkeyWink::

THE PRODICAL SON
Luke 15:11-32 (NLT):

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Keepthefaith

I don't condone but I understand how some can be influenced.

When my eldest son was in his late teens ... it was all about friends ... friends that influenced him that his parents were controlling and ... his welling-being was not their utmost concern.  With a heavy heart ... at the age of 21 ... he was asked to leave the home.

It did not happen over night but ... over a period of time he did grow a brain ... over a period of time he did mature ... over a period of time his relationship strengthened with his famiy  and ... over a period of time he came to his senses and ... returned to the those whose prayers for this young man continued without ceasing. 

I do not understand.  However ... many Monkeys at CnG are not trolls.  From the getgo ... they have stood behind the contention that a corrupt Aruban investigation was preventing justice from prevailing.  They have stood behind a family who has been forced to ride an ongoing roller coaster from H--- ... compliments of the "powers that be" in Aruba.

Keepthefaith ... challenging the lies encompassing the current positions of these CnG members is crucial but ... the door must be kept open for them to return to the cage.  I believe with all my heart that something akin to the Prodical Son of the Scriptures ... something akin to my prodical son ... some CnG Natalee Holloway members will come to their senses.

IMO

Janet

I have no problem forgiving,as well as welcoming people back.To stand by people that are disseminating ones personal information to Aruba is reprehensible! ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hiya!

I strongly 'caution' you.

I had the nerve to ask that question originally, from the same person actually -- and let's just say the 'meltdown' was not pretty. And reinforcements even arrived  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you for that, Janet.

I must say, I learn a little something from you everyday.

 ::MonkeyCool::

To those many monkeys at CnG that Janet is referring to above who are not trolls, I apologize if I have offended you.

Patience is surely one thing that NH monkeys have learned to have in abundance.  I'll be relying on mine going forward.

I have not heard of any action by Beth or Dave (or Jug) to 'fund' the dives for the remaining 100+ 'viable' targets.

I also find that odd.

And I asked this before - but I'll ask again -- how EXACTLY did CAPS know where to dive to find the cage????

In other words -- who gave him the coordinates of the location?? Or was he swimming around in 90' of ocean water and stumbled upon it??

Inquiring minds want to know.

To any that are trolls, I don't apologize at all!   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyTongue::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree and ... I believe that the words of those posts must be challenged.

I attempt ... but often fail ... to separate the words of posts which I might disagree with ... with those who post.  Considering that many CnG posters are part of the Monkey family ... stay focused on condemning the content ... not posters.  This leaves the door open for their return to the cage.

However ... trolls are open season.  They never were part of the Monkey family.  From the getgo ... they have attempted to distract from the truth encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Mods ... Klaas

I began stuttering when I came to the end of my last post.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Please edit accordingly.

Thanks

Janet

CapsLockWizard
"Another thing , I went to dive a week a go to the same location, and the Cage is still there. If the cage was evidance in a murder case, why is it still in the water."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564838#msg564838

Of course, this is same post in which Caps said: "on the opening a business in Aruba... no way true. Need an Arubian Partner and the Business law for AVV or ofshore business registered in Aruba is not benefecial." 

And didn't I just see information and links posted in the last day or two that proved that to be untrue?  Is it possible he doesn't dive at all and was just making it up?  Of course, it's possible...
 :smt102

From the posts of former CnG member's.If your not toeing the party line your poofed!So how are you a memeber and not toeing the party line. ::MonkeyConfused::

Me personally.I don't trust CapsLockWizard.Prove me wrong.Until then.I stand firm! ::MonkeyCool::

But, if he did really dive --  a boat would have had to take him out to the dive location. It was not right off shore.

How did the boat know where to go??

That's sort of a 'needle in the haystack' analogy. Someone HAD to have given CAPS or the Boat driver the location of the cage. WHO WOULD KNOW THAT other than the crew of the Persistence or ALE

Am I the only one that finds that hinky??

Don't worry -- I'm used to hearing 'yes'  ::MonkeyLaugh::
.

KTF - I agree with you.

Yes.







Just kidding dear!!!!!  ::MonkeyTongue::

that is most definitely hinky. Especially after we were told that all target locations were kept in a "safe, locked location, only known by two people"

I think it would be hinky if we didn't already know/believe that Caps is associated with ALE/AHATA.  Was Clyde Burke driving the boat? ::MonkeyEek::


Word of the Day:  Hinky
 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

You may be on to something Lifesong! ::MonkeyWink::

oh, how i miss you

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

What would CAPS gain by saying it, if not true? All he was saying was that the cage was still there. To disprove there is any interest in it.

He basically admitted that ?someone? 'inside' gave him the cage location  ::MonkeyConfused::

Safe keeping my monkey hiney  ::MonkeyLaugh::

{{{hugs}}}

I think that Kyle posted something about an underwater vacuum
that could be taken to the cage and possible DNA retrieved from
the site.
I have wondered if Caps went there (if he actually did) to make
sure that there was nothing to vacuum up.

CAPS does not get it or ... maybe he does.

The cage/trap and its contents was disregarded by the "powers that be" in Aruba as not case related.  However ... if CAPS is to be believed ... the "nothing but plastic bags" that John Silvetti claimed was in the trap/cage was sampled and recovered.

I can only assume that Kyle Kingman (ROV Image Analyst), Tim Trahan (American Diver) and Louis Shaefer (ROV Copyright) are attempting to make deals with major networks for the sale of ROV images that reveal a cage/trap containing "nothing but plastic bags".

GMAB!

Sooooo ... CAPS is a diver.  Innnnteeeeresting.

Janet

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CAPS - IN HIS OWN WORDS

CAPS:  John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice.


KYLE KINGMAN (ROV IMAGE ANALYST) - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:  The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle:   John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle: On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.

Mods ... Klaas

It is me again ... Tamikosmom.

The pink highlight in my last post should have been red.

For clarity ... please edit.

I apologize.

Janet

Done.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Jen.How many offices did GeoLab have before the Persistence search in Aruba and after??Just curious.If you know.TIA

Something akin to a cult.  Brainwashing ... comformity and ... adherence.  Then there is the social aspect ... the need to be accepted ... to belong.

The influences are strong.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

BINGO!!!

That's a possibility Magnolia. I thought it odd that there were no 'photos' accompanying the post.

I'm not a diver, but I know that inexperienced divers do not go down 90'. On a whim. I don't recall seeing CAPS ever discussing that he was an experienced diver. But it's possible.

Yes Lifesong -- I've read all the posts about CAPS and the ALE connections. This innocuous little post however, confirmed it for me. :-(  Again, right from CAPS himself.

So, do we assume that the 100+ 'viable target' locations are no longer in safe keeping either?

Yes -- sometimes I like to state the obvious. For me, it reinforces the level of lieing and corruption and coverup.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

This makes me feel my mind is clearer (more clear) than I thought, having posted about this last thread.  Phew...

HINKY!!  I do believe that I am about to adopt that word as my own.  It could be used in so often when the right word does not come to mind.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Clyde Burke!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

I am feeling a little "hinky" right now ... so I will bid you all adieu.

Later, Janet

Me, too!!

And I think I did yesterday, too  ::MonkeyLaugh::

And probably a few weeks ago as well  ::MonkeyTongue::

It was such a 'connect the dot' DUH moment for me.  ::MonkeyWink::

I just needed to share.

Hi Sharon-

Thanks for the warning, I feel sure there will be some payback in store for my daring to ask, there always is a measure of drama attached.

This is what I feel is the most strategic statement that Kyle made, of course I didn't see him post or email this direct to me - so the source always matters too.

That aside it's this passage:
Kyle:   John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

I'm accustomed to seeing this all the time, even within boards of non-profits I've served on, there are few if any true philanthropic 'gifts' without a larger purpose or payback. I suspect Jug is pretty accustomed to seeing this too.

At the time we first heard about the Persistence's voyage it boggled my mind how such an expensive operation could even be covered from donations from individuals - unless multi-millionaires and billionaires contributed.

I remain convinced this was the true purpose throughout. Oil is liquid gold and the Russian oligarch's who rose up within oil and gas have migrated to South America and the Carribbean as well - it's the next new frontier for their gold.

quote>
KTF

From the posts of former CnG member's.If your not toeing the party line your poofed!So how are you a memeber and not toeing the party line.

quote>

EVIDENTLY YOU CANNOT BE A PART OF CnG IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEIR VIEWS/AGENDA.  SO HOW CAN SOMEONE JUSTIFY BEING A MEMBER AT CnG AND AT SM?  THAT IS A CONTRADICTION IN ITSELF.  I CALL IT TWO-FACED.

THAT IS HOW I SEE IT.

My previous post is not a drive-by.  I am at work and trying to read here also.  I will check back later to see how badly I will get slammed for that post.
 

KTF - I never did look at the dates versus the different companies, other than to ascertain there were Dutch connections/customers prior to November 2007.  So I'm sorry, I don't have an answer for you.

Sadly, I DID see him post this. :-(

Those are Kyle's words.


I hope all -- personal and crazy business world stuff -- is treating you well.

Great post None!The question now is who,or what contract got The Persistence down to Aruba?Follow the money.The evidence has to be somewhere..Just thoughts.They had to take the some donations or else that would prove the OIL point to begin with unless they were funding it all by themselves which throws up an BIG red flag when one's sole occupation is OIL!To whom were The Persistence really trying to keep this a secret from?

KEEPTHEFAITH

Hi Sharon-

You have probably had to confirm that many times, I fear I'm just not able to read through all I miss due to work everyday. Yes it is sad.

Work? Honestly it's a dogfight everyday lately, the squeeze from this economy brings out the worst in many. I do hope yours is going well and better than mine  ::MonkeyWink::

KYcat ... Unlike a cult which attempts to prevent the infiltration of outside influences ... the administrator/s of CnG cannot prevent its members from reading the SM site if that is their  choice.  This I believe will be the catalyst which will cause some members to "come to their senses" and ... realize that they are being partipants in the coverup of John Silvetti's assistance to the finale' of the great Aruban coverup ... participants in the coverup of John Silvetti's betrayal to the family of Natalee Holloway.

This is the reason that I continually post my REMINDERS ... REMINDERS of Kyle Kingman's own words ... Kyle Kingman who held the professional position of ROV Image Analyst aboard the Persistence.

Janet

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Something akin to a cult.  Brainwashing ... comformity and ... adherence.  Then there is the social aspect ... the need to be accepted ... to be loved ... to belong.
The influences are strong.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

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keepthefaith-

I believe I noticed bleachedblack mention Abramovich recently? He has connections with Aruba and he's one of the oligarch's 'raised' by Putin, he's moved on to South America to grow his investments - did so several years ago. Might be a good place to begin to look for connections, might not be a direct connection but if someone wanted to map certain areas around Aruba and the immediate waters beyond - but not draw a red flag to it, perhaps having the search for Natalee as a cover to some degree might have driven this? Or not wanting a competitor of some kind to know you're mapping?

I really don't know and I'd also counsel I have nothing hard or concrete to base that on either. You're smart monkeys though, there IS a reason and it might even be several reasons so don't close your mind to that possibility either. But just as we as a nation in the US are so dependent upon foreign oil resources to the degree it butt-kicked our economy last year - finding and securing oil in previously uncharted areas of our oceans is a pretty big deal and it's got to happen by someone.

So far, I've been very fortunate in terms that work has continued to find me -- and I've managed to stay quite busy. I bless my lucky stars every day.

But every day is a new day. So there are no guarantees anywhere anymore for anyone. We just have to stay strong -- we will both ride this out. The new opportunities in financial governance are going to be staggering  ::MonkeyWink:: It will make SOX look like child's play.











 

KYcat ... Unlike a cult which attempts to prevent the infiltration of outside influences ... the administrator/s of CnG cannot prevent its members from reading the SM site if that is their  choice.  This I believe will be the catalyst which will cause some members to "come to their senses" and ... realize that they are being partipants in the coverup of John Silvetti's assistance to the finale' of the great Aruban coverup ... participants in the coverup of John Silvetti's betrayal to the family of Natalee Holloway.

This is the reason that I continually post my REMINDERS ... REMINDERS of Kyle Kingman's own words ... Kyle Kingman who held the professional position of ROV Image Analyst aboard the Persistence.

Janet

++++++

Janet,
They have driven their ducks to a muddy pond.

I know Magnolia.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Judge Denies Request for Equusearch Records.



http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/30/casey_anthony_ready_to_face_court.html

 
This was posted in the Caylee thread this morning by trimmofthelake. 
I am very glad that Tim Miller will not have to bother with all this as he has more than enough to deal with these days.  Like many of us, Tim is not getting any younger or stronger.

Thanks, Anna.

I watched the hearing this morning. I was hoping for this outcome.

AMEN to the Judge!

Thanx None!

Great News in an otherwise very sad state of affairs.  Thanks, Anna for posting this.  Was praying for this to happen.

I also meant to say -- I'm sorry I missed it  ::MonkeyWaa::

I've had to do a lot of 'scrolling, scrolling, scrolling' lately. 

Your post must have gotten caught in between posts from the grumbling intruders.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I lost count the other night how many pages I went by without even the mention of the name Natalee  ::MonkeyNoNo::   

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: Today at 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #882 on: Today at 02:36:28 AM »

Kyle said: "Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564701;topicseen#msg564701






Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #642 on: November 25, 2008, 10:12:27 PM »

May 8, 2008 = from Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

May 19, 2008 = from Kyle:
"I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana

JUNE 10, 2008 = from Kyle:
He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557914;topicseen#msg557914

TM.That picture from the previous thread of Natalee would be great! ::MonkeyWink::

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8025/idstlouda0.jpg)

Thanks, tm  ::MonkeyWink::

                                              THANK YOU TM!

Hi Monkeys!!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

You're welcome sharon and ktf!   ::MonkeyCool::

How many times are you gonna make me put on the Feces suit Kermit! ::MonkeyLaugh::

I think that ldstlou has a reading comprehension problem.
She only comprehends what she believes.
No matter how one tries to explain to her ...she will not
accept the answers.   I think she is a hopeless case.

   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Gotta keep your head on a swivel when Kermit is around or ya may just get splattered!

Way behind...but...Anna...this IS funny.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanx Buckeye.I didn't catch that the first time! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Kermit,

I'm sorry you are the target of so much nonsense; for doing the right thing.

What Kyle Kingman should have done....but didn't.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bastibro.How is the sexual deviation research with Paulus.Coming?I'm excited to hear theory! ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::

" Mirror mirror, on the wall, make him rich and make him tall"."

Hi None.  Are you or little none baking at all? 

That damn Frog is so elusive! ::MonkeyTongue::

Note the contradictions.  No wonder we are confused.


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:25 PM »

Thought you all may find this interesting if you're willing to accept it-

To date, the Aruban police and dive team has been a tremendous help.  They've honestly done a great job. Over the last month we've established a very good working relationship based on openness and trust.  Most of the relationship success was due to getting the media out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder over time.  We've helped each other however and whenever we can.  They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. Most of the police and divers are new since this case started and both eager and careful to do things right.  I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to establish the relationships and trust. I know many of you would likely doubt this view, but it's based on the experiences in the field of the entire search team. I too was extremely worried, paranoid, and suspecting in the beginning.  Now, it's clear we're all working towards a common goal.


ocean exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.   The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857#msg366857

Sharon-
I'm  happy to hear it's going well for you. Unlike you I don't have deep and wide financials experience but I can tell you this much, I've delivered a major system early in this last year and despite my employer telling me that was 'average' to drive down my incentive, I'm sticking my toe in the waters to determine the value of that skill in the even depressed marketplace ! Tell you what, let me work for you sistah  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Buckeye-
Daughter has run the baking operation but a new website will debut soon and honestly if need be, I'll be doing it right beside her soon enough !

Things sure seem to be hopping around here again, kermit surely proves to be a catalyst!

kermit shows, the posts flow  ::MonkeyWink::

Is Bastibro a sexual psychologist?

Perhaps he/she can make sense of this, it found it's way to my inbox recently.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

He looks more like Anita, everyday....

Nonesuche -   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Now I'm going to have nightmares  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Lifesong posted a very good question in the last thread, I don't think it was ever answered.

Me Too Klaas...That is after I stop laughing!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

who knew? Guess Thailand brought out the best in the sporter



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Does anyone understand class action lawsuits and if so can you explain this one in very, very simple term that even I can understand?




Johnson & Perkinson Announces Filing of Class Action Lawsuit Naming Superior Offshore International, Inc.

Tue Apr 1, 2008 9:25am EDT  SOUTH BURLINGTON, VT, Apr 01 (MARKET WIRE) --
 Johnson & Perkinson hereby announces the filing of a class action lawsuit
naming
Superior Offshore International, Inc. ("Superior Offshore" or the "Company")
(NASDAQ: DEEP), several officers of the Company, and underwriters for the IPO. 
Theaction, docket numbered 08-CV-00987, was filed in the United States District
Court for the Southern District of Texas.  Individuals, families, trusts or
other
entities that purchased Superior Offshore common stock between April 20, 2007
and January 9, 2008, inclusive, have the opportunity to participate as Lead
Plaintiffs in the lawsuit. To do so, you must apply to serve in that capacity
by April 28, 2008.

    Johnson & Perkinson, law firm based in South Burlington, Vermont, has
extensive experience prosecuting investor class actions and actions involving
financial fraud. Attorneys Johnson and Perkinson are both former employees of
the Securities and Exchange Commission. Dedicated to maximizing shareholder
return, members of Johnson & Perkinson have prosecuted complex class actions
alleging securities or consumer fraud/deception on behalf of investors/consumers
against numerous public companies since 1985, resulting in the recovery of many
hundreds of millions of dollars, and have been singled out for excellence by
variouscourts. The firm is litigating, or has recently resolved litigation, as
Lead
or Co-Lead Counsel in securities class actions against Xerox, Priceline,
Wireless Facilities, i2 and Xchange, and serves on the Executive Committee in
the
Global Crossing case.

    The complaint charges the defendants with making a series of materially
false and
misleading statements in the Registration Statement and Prospectus issued in
connection with the IPO, in violation of the Securities Act of 1933.

    If you wish to discuss this action or have any questions concerning this
announcement or your rights or interests with respect to these matters, please
contact Johnson & Perkinson attorneys  Eben F. Duval or James F. Conway, III
toll free at 1-888-459-7855; via email at email@jpclasslaw.com; through our
website at
www.jpclasslaw.com; or by mail at Johnson & Perkinson, 1690 Williston Road,
P.O. Box 2305, South Burlington, Vermont 05403.  Attorneys at Johnson &
Perkinson
can help you decide if seeking appointment as a Lead Plaintiff is right for you.
Your ability to share in any recovery is not affected by your decision to
not seek appointment as a Lead Plaintiff.

   

Contact:
Eben F. Duval
802-862-0030
Email Contact

Copyright 2008, Market Wire, All rights reserved.

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© Thomson Reuters 2008 All rights reserved

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS141930+01-Apr-2008+MW20080401

He really does!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Well, he did do that Greta interview that she was inclined to believe wearing that odd shade of lipstick so he has never been a conformist.  Thailand would be the place where he could really let go and be himself.

Good find Anna. It would take a true legal mind to specify all the points clearly but short story I gather is that during Superior's IPO they broke the rules, perhaps even a measure of fraud within their representation of the stock at the time of IPO?

Class action element mandates the public PSA regarding the case is issued with appropriate contacts for any who purchased the stock at the time of IPO.

Individuals, families, trusts or
other
entities that purchased Superior Offshore common stock between April 20, 2007
and January 9, 2008, inclusive, have the opportunity to participate as Lead
Plaintiffs in the lawsuit. To do so, you must apply to serve in that capacity
by April 28, 2008.

If you fall into that group above in italics with documentation to support it, you are 'invited' to contact the stated law firm to join the lawsuit as a plaintiff.

I just got home and am a few pages behind, but nonesuche's post made me
want to see these two quotes juxtaposed together.  There's something hinky here, imo.

Kyle:   John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.



MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."

What are you trying to say Wreck? ::MonkeyLaugh::

I think the IPO price was $13.00 and then it went down to $0.16.  At least that is in the ballpark price wise.

For it to fall that quickly, I would think very suspicious and guess that is the point of the class action lawsuit.

BTW, I have been a party to two of those concerning prescription drugs and went to all manner of trouble especially on one, filled out ten page forms, etc. and in the end realized no gain other than being reimbursed for the original cost of the medication!

Attorneys seem to come out best in those things. 


Thanks, None, that is sort of what I thought.  I just wonder on what basis the suit is based or if a decline in the value of stock that quickly is reason enough in and of itself.

Posted at BFN by Lousw...Beautifuly Written and I thought Everyone Should See It!


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     Natalee Missing 44 Months
« on: Today at 08:43:27 AM »   

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Natalee Missing 44 Months
May 30, 2005 - Jan 30, 2009

It has now been 44 months since Natalee went missing in Aruba.  To this day, not one real truth has been spoken or one real piece of evidence has been found that would tell what happened to Natalee or where she may be - whether she may still be alive somewhere or whether she is no longer on this earth.  But, someone does know what happened to her and where she is and it is unconscionable that they have kept this to themselves for all this time knowing full well just how this has affected so many others.

Every parent dreams of watching their beloved child grow up.  Natalee grew in so many ways, but one thing remained constant through the years, and that is how proud her family has always been of her.  Natalee is strong of spirit and will, determined and driven, born with a heart of gold, and she never gave them pause to doubt that she would do wonderful things with her life.  There has never been and will never be another Natalee.  She is special and unique, and God does not duplicate perfection.

There  is no power that would be able to make Natalee's families' hurting hearts ever give up on her.  Their love for her is deeper than words can say.  For 44 months now (1,342 days), we have seen the families of Natalee do everything possible to find their beloved daughter and they have done it with such dignity and grace.  They have shown us what complete, unending and unconditional love really is by their words and actions.  We must always remember that a broken life is something we may not be able to fix, but we must do anything and everything we can to try and help.  We must be there for them, putting their hearts in our hands and letting them know, with love and compassion, that we will be there for them at all times.  We must support them and let them know we will continue to support them until Natalee is found and brought home.  We can not give up on them or give up on Natalee and above all, we must never give up Hope for Natalee.  We must make sure that all their voices continue to be heard loud and strong and that no one ever forgets the wrongs that have been done.



 
 
 

Amen

JMO, Eduardo Mansur.  Remember he was said to have been on the ship the entire time.

Thanks for bringing lousw's post over Hotping!  Very well written!

 ::MonkeyCool::

You are correct Magnolia.

That's sort of a 'needle in the haystack' analogy. Someone HAD to have given CAPS or the Boat driver the location of the cage. WHO WOULD KNOW THAT other than the crew of the Persistence or ALE

Am I the only one that finds that hinky??

There was a siting Xmas eve, a dive then another dive, then the Panther parked on site for two days...shoot, the location was probably posted on the front page of the paper, with pictures (on page two... after the car accidents).  Everyone has probably dove on that site...but...us....and Kyle... ::MonkeyConfused::

Hotping,

Thanks, that was very nice.

            VERY POWERFUL AND BEAUTIFUL......JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY....

                               ARUBA.WE WILL NEVER,EVER GIVE UP

                                             KEEPTHEFAITH

Superior Offshore International Confirms Plan of Liquidation
Fri. January 30, 2009; Posted: 05:26 PM    

HOUSTON, Jan 30, 2009 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- DEEPQ | | PowerRating -- On January 28, 2009, the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of Texas confirmed the First Amended Joint Chapter 11 Plan of Liquidation (the "Plan") submitted by Superior Offshore International, Inc. and the Official Committee of Unsecured Creditors (Case No. 08-32590-H2-11). Under the Plan, all equity interests will be cancelled on the Effective Date. Unless stayed, the Effective Date will be February 11, 2009. The Effective Date will serve as the record date for purposes of distributions, if any, to equity interest holders under the Plan unless otherwise ordered by the Bankruptcy Court.


---------


This was posted today. 

Schaefer gonna buy everything back for pennies on the dollar?

YW TM!

YW Anna!

I had a cup of tea and a goodie with my neighbour and ... I now am felling so hinky.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Janet

What'd you put in that Tea Janet! ::MonkeyDance::

 ::cartwheel::

O' Lord the Monkey's have gone HINKY! ::MonkeyTongue::

hin·ky 
Pronunciation: \ˈhiŋ-kē\
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): hin·ki·er; hin·ki·est
Etymology: alteration of argot hincty suspicious
Date: 1956
1slang : nervous , jittery
2slang : suspicious

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::

Urban Dictionary:

Uh oh, is it catching???

Anna the Chapter 11 is a huge find. Could be they hope to escape the class action suit or have a larger strategy in mind?

I hate you wasted so much of your time on that prescription class action, I agree the attorneys benefit the most in those cases.

None,
We knew about the class action lawsuit against Louis Schafer but the details of the filing of the Chapter 11 just came out today.

There is a wealth of documents posted here but who has time to read them all.

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/quotescharts/?qm_page=1947&qm_symbol=DEEPQ



I did see in the assets section the sale of some sort of diving apparatus for $4 million.  So diving equipment was apparently available or at least within reach at the time they had none to use for searching the "targets".

Maybe the site that the Panther was anchored gave away the location of the crab/trap.

Janet

++++++++


CAPSLOCKWIZARD - IN HIS OWN WORDS

CAPS:  “Yes, We (John Silvetti) did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain. Witness will gave statement to Lawyer (Helen), Lawyer will motion to drain the pond to OM. If Motion denied, will go to media and expose more dirt. John knows everything now and he will stay behind to help and protect. John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice. When I told him the story about the cage, he also understand now some things that he could not have question about. Like why is the Panter allways parked over the spot while there is notting anymore in he cage. The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. About the Pipes. They will be checked. Also John thinks that the signs are there but need to drain the pond. Also Withness is 99% it was some one that came from the pond area that he saw, because it looks like a dutch man and was cover in mud from the chest down.”

CAPS:  Another thing , I went to dive a week a go to the same location, and the Cage is still there. If the cage was evidance in a murder case, why is it still in the water

No ... it is just feeling that defies description.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet

It is just too complicated to wade through, literally a conglomerate of little companies doing business under various names, all intertwined.

But they do now have on record an official plan for their Chapter 11 action as of today.

While I appreciate the philanthropic effort, the timing is a bit odd.  I would think to those shareholders more than a bit.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

They originally filed Chapter 11 last April....so this would mean it's amended and there is no recouping or renewing of the business & liquidation (vaporization ;) ) is the plan?

Anna I quite agree. It will take a mind far bigger than mine to make sense of it.

shocking -- but a pretty accurate description!   ::MonkeyCool::

Sorry, Anna, I was a bit behind and have looked at many articles in the past several weeks on this company....thanks for this link.   I have noticed many symbol variations with recent financial or industrial institutions in trouble.  Seems they slice the pie in tiny pieces....and I definitely do not have a degree in finance.

That could well be what it means.

As we have seen in the Kalpoe lawsuit, things move very slowly.  But I take it the shareholders are not at all happy with the liquidation or distribution from it to fila the class action suit?

I just don't know and it is too massive to try to read it all.

The dive equipment that was sold I did find interesting, however.

Speaking of the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

Future Hearings
03/26/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (Further Interrogatory Responsesand Production of Documents (4);2) Second Motion to Dismiss andRequest for Terminating Sanctions3) Case Management Conference)

 ::MonkeyWaa::

I don't understand but ... according to Wreck's definition ... I am feeling hinky.

Janet

Thank you for posting the urban dictionary definition.  I think that is how most of us felt very soon after Natalee was reported missing.

Hotping, thanks for posting the post from Louz (Spelling error) It was beautiful.

Anna, great find on Louis Schafer and details of the filing of the Chapter 11 that just came out .

Janet, thank you for being a voice of reason about the negative post on fellow monkeys.

To all remember United we Stand divided we fall.

I do not now or have I ever belonged to chat and grumble but I do know some of our Monkeys who do .

I do belong to Blogs for Natalee as well as Gold Monkeys. Every one of these I do believe honestly and truly want Justice for Natalee. JMHO
Sam

Am I the only one who thinks our Justice systems stinks to high-heaven to all these two scrums of the earth to us our system like this?  What is the purpose to keep continuing this case, set a future date, just to set another future date.  Doesn't make sense to me at all.

Most recent doc filed:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/k012609a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/k012609b.jpg)

correction from all to allow. sorry.

I believe the class action suit was also filed last year.  The went public spring of '07 at $13-$15 per share and took a nose dive the following quarters.  Mid-Nov, '07, Schaefer sold what he could for as much as he could.  I sat and read a finance message board one night last week and stockholders had been complaining that the officers had been selling off during the 2nd & 3rd qtrs instead of buying.  I think the shareholders felt they were taken and the suit is the result. 

Are the attorney's for the plaintiff's in this class-action aware of the Persistence search,and or should someone give them a call? ::MonkeyCool::

Sam ... I may be a voice of reason in regards to our prodigal CnG Monkeys but ... I am uncompromising in my opposition to the words of those prodigal CnG Monkeys who undermine the messenger (Kermit) who has exposed John Silvetti's assistance in the finale' to the great Aruban coverup ... who has exposed John Silvetti's ultimate betrayal of Natalee's family.

I cannot comprehend the reasoning.

Janet

++++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:   John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:   He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle: Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days. (05/08/08)

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. (06/10/08)


'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'The Abrams Report' for July 1
updated 7:47 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She deserves it, and everyone knows it, Martin, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/

Source: Marketwire (April 11, 2008 - 12:30 PM EDT)

Law Office of David R. Chase, P.A. Announces Its Investigaton Into Alleged Securities Violations by Superior Offshore International, Inc.

The Law Office of David R. Chase, P.A. (the "Firm") announces that it is investigating alleged securities violations by Superior Offshore International, Inc. ("Superior Offshore") (NASDAQ: DEEP), and certain of its officers, directors and the underwriters of its IPO. The Firm currently represents a Superior Offshore shareholder who has suffered substantial monetary loss.

Several class action lawsuits naming Superior Offshore, among others, have been filed in the United States District Courts in Texas and Louisiana. The complaints charge the defendants with making a series of materially false and misleading statements in the Registration Statement and Prospectus issued in connection with the IPO in violation of the Securities Act of 1933.

Individuals, families, trusts and other entities that purchased Superior Offshore common stock between April 20, 2007 and January 9, 2008, inclusive, have the opportunity to participate as Lead Plaintiffs in the lawsuit. To do so, you must apply to serve in that capacity by April 28, 2008.

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The Hinky Tea Janet was drinking must be wearing off.The voice of reason is back! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Klaas thanks for posting the screen shots on the Kalpoes -Dr. Phil case.

2NJSONS Mom, Glad to see you are still at that ironing board and yet still manage to find the time to research and post for Natalee.

I think it would definitely give them a direction to investigate.Maybe not.Someone a little more knowledgable may fare better then i with a anonymous phone-call?Just a thought.Throw nanner's if necessary!TIA.

KEEPTHEFAITH

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Keepthefaith ... I did not realize my attempt to be the voice of reason took a leave.

My position as always been in all aspects of life that a genuine change of heart equates to forgiveness.

However ... in regards to our prodical Monkeys ... until that genuine change of heart occurs ... I am uncompromising in my opposition to any force that upholds those who are preventing justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway.

Janet

Talk about perspective, thank you so much for posting this Hotping!

I love that its titled Miracle Do Happen.

I don't know, KTF, but I would think the attorneys already know all about their involvement in the search as well as any other business they have conducted over the last couple of years.  I think that would be a requirement to disclose.

Must go watch Monk!

BBL if I don't fall asleep.

Of course they know -- why would ANY company in financial trouble dedicate their resources to a "non-profit", "charitable" operation for 3 months?!?!?

Hey, I'll never give up on Justice for Natalee and love the research.  Don't let my ironing board lead you to think otherwise.  Thanks, Sam.

FWIW... I never believed Kyle's account of the Panter,
even when I believed the search was legit.
It never made sense to me.  I don't think he could see
the area off of Arishi Beach from the hotel area.
To me it always seemed like he told that story to
cover for something else.

This has been something on my mind for some time, now.  It is a big question, and I do hope they know or have attempted to get the facts.  That's why I posted asking on the last thread how much can be claimed as charitable contributions.....

My take.  The Aruban "powers that be" are funding the multi-million dollar lawsuit and ... the American "powers that be" are bowing.

My youngest son's wise Dutch American FIL believes that Aruba's close ties with Hugo Chavez is at the root of both the Netherland and the United States' tolerance in regards to the corrupt Aruban administration.

Hugo Chávez is so dangerious to the security of world. He has a goal which IS NOT hidden ... a goal which will ultimately threaten the security of United States of America. He had a plan is to acquire one small nation at a time ... building up strength throughout the Caribbean. Think about it ... Aruba is the stepping stone from Venezuala to American ... Cuba is a stone throw from the mainland.

The United States administration knows this ...  yet it continues to appease ... tolerate this dictator. This approach only makes what was once the most feared/respected nation on the face of the earth appear weak and ... gives this dictator who is drunk with power more confidence to further his global agenda.

It is a truly sad day when this dictator is allowed to speak before the UN referring to the President of the United States as the "devil" and ... have no fear of retaliation.

If the United States goes down ... so does every appeasing/tolerant democratic nation in the world ... Canada included.

The free world has to wake up ... left-wing dictators as well as Islamic nations are gaining strength through our weaknesses.

“The reality is that we must find peace through strength.”
Ronald Reagan, 1983

Janet

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Chavez: Bush 'devil'; U.S. 'on the way down'
POSTED: 1726 GMT (0126 HKT), September 21, 2006

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/20/chavez.un/index.html

Lifesong,

I'd have to search for the post by someone (maybe Janet?) in the past day.  I know it was in December and Tim said Schaefer called Dave while Tim was at Schaefer's house a couple weeks prior.  So it would be November...the year, though I won't say because I am not positive at the moment.  Hope Janet has it...or I'll look in a bit.  I'm running back & forth, here. 

Funny, I thought the same thing when I read Caps' reference to John Silvetti's mention of the Panther being over the cage in a post earlier today.  I thought it could have been made up to strengthen the "post office" story.

As Beth Holloway would said ... "Greta ... this is huge!"

In the following Tim Miller/Greta interview ... Tim states that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti contacted him regarding the undertaking.

 ... and Tim states to Jamie Colby of FOX at the end of February that Schaefer contacted Dave Holloway two months previous while Tim Miller was at his home.

I am distracted at the moment ... maybe somebody could listen to the following video.  Maybe Tim Miller gives an indication when he was first contacted by Shaefer and Silvetti.

Janet

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Natalee Holloway: Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch Discusses Crab Trap, Clothing and DNA Found in Waters of Aruba
February 27, 2005 2008

"I've been trying to put this together for two and a half years...Louis Schaefer came forward with John Silvetti."
(transcript credit: texasmom)

Video:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/


FOX ONLINE - JAMIE COLBY
July 15, 2007

COLBY:  Tim, why are they (Arubans) standing in your way?

MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."

I never believed the post office theory either.  Too complicated.
That cage wouldn't hold enough drugs to make all of the effort of
waterproofing the drugs and diving to put them in and diving again
to get them out worthwhile.  That was a CapsLockWizzard lie.

Thanks, Janet.  I'm going to watch it now.

Hi Janet!

You hitting that tea, again?

I am not a scuba diver -- or boat captain -- so I can only go on what I've been told. (If any on here are either -- please contribute your experience).

I was told that unless you took the picture ( knowing where it was taken from) it would be difficult to calibrate an exact location, although general approximate would be feasable if you had proper tools (I haven't the foggiest what that equates to)

I have spoken to several who 'casually dive' -- most said unless it was a 'marked' spot or a boat that had equipment that sees the bottom -- they would not make a 90' dive. Apparently they save that for wrecks and walls (who knows?) They would certainly not attempt it for an uncertain target, because apparently there are extra issues when you are at 90 ft. I remember one of the woman's story -- because I witnessed the afters -- the black eyes she had for 3 months as a result of breaking the suction when she took off her mask. 90 ft of water - Cayman Brac.

So at the very least...CAPS is a boat captain, knows a  boat captain, owns a boat, knows someone who owns a boat, is an experienced scuba diver, knows an experienced diver, and possibly owns or knows people who own equipment that could calibrate a distance from picture in the newspaper, or boat equipment that can see objects 90 ft below

Or CAPS took the picture for the newspaper so he knew the 'from' spot.

Or someone gave CAPS the coordinates -- combined with a few items above. You would still need a boat. I doubt anyone would start out from the beach. :-)

moo

I still think it's hinky. :oops:

I think I need your tea  ::MonkeyWink::

hugs

night night

or maybe I just copied the wrong post...dear lawdy

How about this one?



I am still waiting for the answer to my question too...am I the only one that got the impression that Kermit was implying she worked for the Secret Service...of course it could just be that reading comprehension problem I have too. lol

I saw pics posted here by Kermit that lead me to believe she worked for the Secret Service or possibly FBI. I also saw posts of Monkeys thanking her for her service to our country. To me it is about credibility...so am I allowed to ask if Kermit worked for the Secret Service or am I the only one that even assumed so?

What the hey...going to get bashed anyways...so did Kermit work for the Secret Service as she implied or not? It sure would help me a lot in regards to credibility if I knew I was not mislead about this issue.

Just because Kermit did not reveal what she did for a living is not my problem.  You got the impression and assumed she did.  She doesn't have to say what she does for a living for me to believe her.  I don't know what Kermit does for a living and I don't want to know what Kermit does for a living.

Credibility?  Ask the person who is probably emailing you as we speak about that word.

Those drivebys sure leave you with a cold chill.

CAPS is soooo involved in the John Silvette betrayal of the family of Natalee Holloway.

IMO.

Hugs to you too Sharon.

Special thanks to you, jen, Wingnut and Kermit for your faithfulness in keeping on.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

Janet

All I have been asking for all along is show me the proof.  Prove to us that Kermit is lying.

Lisa,
FORGET anything about Kermit's "credibility" for just ONE minute. Pretend it did not come from Kermit.
Just look at what KYLE has said (as verified form everyone ELSE at freebirds). Just READ what KYLE said.

You got that right.   Welcome.

OFF TOPIC

KLAAAAAS!!

Janet

Welcome Monkey Mia.

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ldstlou,

Let's assume you are correct and Kermit outright lied in the above example.  Let's also assume that Kermit outright falsely claimed to be a Secret Service agent.

Hypothetically, let's say everyone concedes these two points to you.

The information Kermit has posted has still not been refuted.  Please, let's move forward from that point.

Go ahead and refute the information.

I'm all ears.

Welcome Monkey Mia!

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Thanks, Janet...I had my months wrong in my response to Lifesong....you came to the rescue.  (((Hugs)))   Yes, I'm a girl monkey.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas, like the drive by but last night I was on a tear about Mos and his "purse" and you did not put it up.  I was disappointed. 

I am not a puppet and no one is e-mailing me.
I am simply asking a question. I know I am not the only one who thought she was Secret Service. What is the big deal? You post pics of yourself at Presidential funerals and events...I would say that is giving the impression she is Secret Service. Dear lawdy..I said apparently other Monkeys know her and trust her and I am trying to figure it all out..I think it is a fair question.

So is Kermit Secret Service as most would assume from the pics or not?

And I am not running away...have a bunch of 8 year olds here and trying to get ready for the protest so forgive me as I come and go!

Thank you Blue Moon and San.

Thank you klaasend.  Glad to be here.

ok...then I am back where I started when this all started. I have two differing views on what happened and I am trying to discern the truth...credibility seems important to me.
I need to trust the messenger to trust the message.

WHEW!!!

Janet

I'm through with you. If you won't answer our questions -- don't expect an answer from me. Your only causing a distraction.

I have to agree with LifeSong.  Let's forget Kermit for a minute and focus on the words spoken by Kyle.  How would you explain his "words" concerning Natalee? We have no idea if that was her remains or someone else's remains because the Persistence decided to just let AOE take possession of the contents of the cage.  Said it was remains, they tested fabric for DNA.  If it wasn't her remains so be it.  BUT it was someone's family member in that cage be it Natalee or some other poor soul.  That family would deserve to know where their loved one was the same as Natalee's family.

What an entrance!.....Welcome, Monkey Mia.  Keep a blanket handy.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Kermit is not the only "messenger".

What didn't I answer? I thought I had been grilled thru and thru ..lol

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I'm interested in hearing your two differing views if you're open to sharing them.

It isn't a big deal to me whether she is or isn't SS.  I have always believed what Kermit wrote before she even posted those photos that made you think she was.  I based my opinion on what she has shown us from another person's words he wrote.  I made my mind up that Kyle is a liar.  Not because of Kermits occupation but because of the proof she has shown us.

Once again show us the proof.

That pansy.  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

That's what I was thinking!

Nice open, MonkeyMia, glad you're here.  ::MonkeyWink::

At least six of the Freebirds have been here to confirm all that
Kermit has posted.  I find them far more credible than your sources.

Wreck, most of you here trust Kermit implicitly, I don't know her. I see pics that make me assume she is Secret Service and that would hold a lot of weight for me...I am very patriotic. I am just asking if it was fair of me to make the assumption based on what I saw and read and if it is true. That would definately go a long way for me.

Lisa.This is a forum that people use nicknames and no one knows what each Monkey does for a living or who they really are..So You are saying that You don't trust anyone or their message unless You know their occupation..That's just plain stupid and if that's the way You feel You should not be on a public forum period..JMOO And no I'm not bashing You!

Thank you 2NJsons mom.

ldstlou, it is no ones business what kermit does.  And for the record, even for a newbie it was easy to keep the leak's email straight. 

I don't know her like you do San, I am sorry I don't. So I have to discern from what she posts. If I was lead to believe she was Secret Service and she is not, I just can't be sold on her story vs what I have been told by other people.

Thank you Lifesong.

I forward many emails to my family & friends...they can say they got it from me, but I didn't compose it. 

You are not listening. We aare CONCEDING your mistrust of Kermit. Forget kermit ever existed.  Now, listen to what the OTHER 5 Freebirds are saying. (hint: it is the EXACT same thing!)
Kermit did not "uncover" this info -- it was all reported from FREEBIRDS  just as Kyle wrote to ALL of them. It was Kermit that decided to reveal what ALL the Freebirds knew.

Welcome Monkey Mia!  ::MonkeyDance::

That is not what I am saying. I am saying...that when I questioned Kermit at first..she started throwing pics at me of her with Presidents and Monkeys saying she was Secret Service etc...I didn't bring it up you know. So now...if it is untrue...then I feel like I was being mislead. I mean wasn't the whole point of posting those pics for credibility?

Lou, I don't have the faintest idea who Kermit is or what her occupation is.  Heck I thought she was a he all along.  My opinion of Kermit versus Kyle comes from following the ocean search and Kyles posting here in the cage.  I had a very uneasy feeling the whole time they were in Aruba.  Kyle never did calm my feelings with his postings.  Something was never right about the AOE, his posting about their mutual understanding, the boat that sped past them.  Everytime I commented about bad feelings and not trusting Aruba Kyle would explain how PERFECT everything was.  I never believed from the beginning.  I never needed Kermit to form my opinions but I believe the words she has presented here and those words are Kyles words.  Just solidified my uneasy feelings.  Words cannot be taken back.  JMO

ldstlou you know her as much as I do.  I only know Kermit from her posts.  Just like I only knew Kyle from his posts.

Hello hotping.  I don't think I am that exciting.  LOL

Lou ... the former administrater of the Natalee's Freebirds' (jen) ... confirmed that Kermit shared Kyle Kingman's words with the SM Natalee Holloway forum.

Think about.  Logic dictates if the Natalee's Freebirds were to send Kyle's own words as well as the ROV images to Beth Holloway, John Kelly and the FBI ... they would have to have backup proof that Kyle Kingman was the originator.  I do believe that IP numbers ...

Anyways ... I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words ... words that expose the John Silvetti participation in the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... the John Silvetti betrayal to the family of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

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klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
 
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator

Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349

I know two people (children of friends) who guarded George
Bush.  Neither of the two is Secret Service.
It is just so unimportant.

I am sure that Jug and Kyle are soooo much more credible
than the Freebirds.

I understand what you are saying to me Wreck...forget about the messenger and focus on the message. But then I go back to what Kyle was doing at the Freebirds. He was expressing concerns and doubts he had about what went on. They were simply concerns of Kyles, not facts about what happened. There is a difference.

I have always said we will never know what was in the cage because ALE took off with the evidence unexpectedly. But I just don't believe the members of the crew of the Persistence were involved in a conspiracy with the ALE.

Sorry San, I thought you knew her. I apologize.

No, that one says the same thing.  Clear as can be Kermit says that was Lala's to her friend, not to Kermit directly.


Since when is posting an employment history a requirement here? 

Here we go again ......

Lisa the only reason I would even suspect that Kermit or anyone else depicted in those pictures were Secret Service was if the caption said only SS agents attended the funeral/function/whatever.  I do not care whether Kermit is an SS agent or a shop assistant - I am only interested in her information and the fact she has provided proof of what she has posted. Something that is sorely lacking from any of her opponents.

I copied the wrong one earlier. I was working and posting today...so sorry. I went back and found the first one that lead me to believe Kermit had received the e-mail directly from lalas.

Believe what you want -- but quit calling us the "crazy" ones.

Oh, Come on ... I bet You can do the Monkey Dance...Can't Ya its Easy! Watch... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: lol

I understand that, my problem is when I was doubting Kermit...and this was awhile ago when I first started reading the info...and I said I was doubting it...Kermit posted the pics as though that was WHY I should believe her. Can't go back and look it up now...8 year olds are too busy and I have to keep an eye on them too!! lol

The most despicable thing I have heard during all this is what Kermit told today about her information being given to the Arubans.  It is a sad day when that happens. 

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Wreck...that is like calling the kettle black...lol...you are correct! I never should have said that. I apologize from the bottom of my heart. It got emotional for me that night and that remark was totally uncalled for!! Anyone who knows me knows I shouldn't be calling anyone crazy!! lol

Hope you accept my apology.

WRONG!

That is the second one you copied, the one you claim is the right one and it says the same thing!  It says that Lala's was sending this to her FRIENDS and does NOT say she sent it to Kermit.

You never take the time to even read what people respond to you, do you?  Just too busy but you are not too busy to try to find out personal information about other posters?

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm





Lots of info.

You are a hoot!

I completely respect your right to that opinion.  I applaud you for caring enough to even have an opinion.  And more importantly, I even hope that you are right.

Unfortunately, I believe it's quite possible there's something hinky going on.  I believe that based upon the content Kyle's statements and the timing of events. 

ldstlou, I hope I'm wrong. 

But no matter where the search for the truth about what happened to Natalee leads, I'll go there.  Even if it were to lead back to Alabama (which we all know it doesn't), I would follow it.  No matter who it implicates. 

I think we can coexist with these different opinions, so long as you have as much respect for my opinion as I have for yours.

Lou ... the revelation of Kyle Kingman's posts which had been submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds' site was such a relief.  My suspicions which orginated from Kyle's own words on the SM site were validated.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:25 PM »

Thought you all may find this interesting if you're willing to accept it-

To date, the Aruban police and dive team has been a tremendous help. They've honestly done a great job. Over the last month we've established a very good working relationship based on openness and trust. Most of the relationship success was due to getting the media out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder over time. We've helped each other however and whenever we can. They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. Most of the police and divers are new since this case started and both eager and careful to do things right. I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to establish the relationships and trust. I know many of you would likely doubt this view, but it's based on the experiences in the field of the entire search team. I too was extremely worried, paranoid, and suspecting in the beginning. Now, it's clear we're all working towards a common goal.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332457;topicseen#msg332457


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857


ocean exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #709 on: March 18, 2008, 03:11:50 PM »

As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI:
The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700


A VERY CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


private eye
 Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.  

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

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