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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 - 2/11/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 02, 2009, 11:06:43 PM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf



JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 05, 2009, 09:26:47 AM
Thanks 4 the help!!! Clean cage for a new day :)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 05, 2009, 09:37:15 AM
 ::MonkeyEek:: is it unlocked??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: Anna on February 05, 2009, 09:37:32 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: Anna on February 05, 2009, 09:43:59 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 09:50:19 AM
Lifesong- I just wanted to thank you for the researching you did on underwater images.

I know that will be helpful for others who may have questions.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: caesu on February 05, 2009, 09:56:13 AM
Quote
Rejection of charters Venezuela also affects regular flights
4 Feb, 2009, 08:35 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD – That Venezuela is no longer granting charter-permits has a big impact for many flights of local airline companies.  Many routes are flown as scheduled flights – at least partly – on a non-regular permit.  The responsible ministers in Curacao and Aruba are meanwhile trying to solve the problem at higher level; but DAE-director Floris van Pallandt says that they won’t be able to meet the big demand for tickets to Curacao in connection with the carnival on time.  “That’s annoying, because many people from Venezuela always come to the islands for carnival.”  The existing scheduled flights offer insufficient capacity.  Mid last year, DAE wanted to increase the frequency to Valencia, but got just a non regular permit for the extra three flights.  “But since then we have been performing these flight with the same frequency and at the same time.  They are actually scheduled flights”, says Van Pallandt.  Same thing counts for an extra flight to Caracas, which had to be given up again.

Insel Air-director Albert Kluyver says that the measure doesn’t affect them.  The route to Las Piedras is performed on a permit for scheduled flights.  The route to Barquisimeto has been stopped, because it is performed on a non regular permit.  “But we will get the permit for scheduled flight to Barquisimeto this week.  Besides, Barquisimeto is just two to three hours away from Valencia, so we have therefore flown the passengers to Valencia.”

It is not clear why Venezuela does no longer grant non regular permits.  “The country hasn’t announced the motive.  The message in the streets is that Chávez does no longer want his people to come here for dollars”, says the Aruban minister of Tourism, Edison Briesen.  The ban also counts for Panama.  The Antillean minister of Transport, Maurice Adriaens raised the problem with his Dutch colleague Camiel Eurlings last week, who wasn’t willing to do something and said therefore to raise the problem at higher level.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52372.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: johan555 on February 05, 2009, 10:01:52 AM
Aruba
Tighter control of trust offices
4 Feb, 2009

ORANGE CITY - The parliament on Monday, at the initiative of MPA, the law treated on the control and regulation of trust companies. The amended legislation, the government easier to abuse, such as financing of terrorism and money laundering, to tackle. Moreover, the Aruba with new legislation comply with international agreements.

According to Minister of Economic Affairs and Finance Nilo Swaen, the new law responds to recommendations of several MPs, organizations and international bodies such as the Financial Action Task Force (FATF).

The amendment would allow the Central Bank directives to which financing of terrorism and money laundering should be avoided. Other important changes are the adaptation of the definition of a trust office and the easing of requirements to be a trust office. The definition of a trust office was so broad that, for example, a solicitor, accountant and lawyer also fell under this definition. This change in the law is clear that this legislation applies only to trust offices. The strict requirements that were made to a trust office, as a statement of good conduct, a bank guarantee worth 50,000 florin and audit and professional liability insurance, be reversed.

 

Trust Office  
A trust office is an office that deals with the management of companies.
Companies and individuals can have different reasons for a company to be like. Often these are legal reasons such as blocking of liability or tax reasons, such as paying a lower tax rate. The disadvantage is that many lines sticking to companies. Besides additional accounting, certain bodies which must be set each year meet. In addition, accounts are prepared and filed. A trust office for such complications, and take in return for payment on his behalf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: johan555 on February 05, 2009, 10:11:55 AM
Aruba
Tighter control of trust offices
4 Feb, 2009

ORANGE CITY - The parliament on Monday, at the initiative of MPA, the law treated on the control and regulation of trust companies. The amended legislation, the government easier to abuse, such as financing of terrorism and money laundering, to tackle. Moreover, the Aruba with new legislation comply with international agreements.

According to Minister of Economic Affairs and Finance Nilo Swaen, the new law responds to recommendations of several MPs, organizations and international bodies such as the Financial Action Task Force (FATF).

The amendment would allow the Central Bank directives to which financing of terrorism and money laundering should be avoided. Other important changes are the adaptation of the definition of a trust office and the easing of requirements to be a trust office. The definition of a trust office was so broad that, for example, a solicitor, accountant and lawyer also fell under this definition. This change in the law is clear that this legislation applies only to trust offices. The strict requirements that were made to a trust office, as a statement of good conduct, a bank guarantee worth 50,000 florin and audit and professional liability insurance, be reversed.

 

Trust Office  
A trust office is an office that deals with the management of companies.
Companies and individuals can have different reasons for a company to be like. Often these are legal reasons such as blocking of liability or tax reasons, such as paying a lower tax rate. The disadvantage is that many lines sticking to companies. Besides additional accounting, certain bodies which must be set each year meet. In addition, accounts are prepared and filed. A trust office for such complications, and take in return for payment on his behalf

vd sloot

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 05, 2009, 10:28:51 AM
Ahhh!  Fresh, clean cage!  Good morning (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: Lifesong on February 05, 2009, 10:50:51 AM
Lifesong- I just wanted to thank you for the researching you did on underwater images.

I know that will be helpful for others who may have questions.



Thanks, Jen.

I've yet to see any evidence whatsoever that the images were tampered with in any meaningful or significant way. 

My intention is to avoid getting bogged down in areas of discussion that ultimately lead me no where.  My own concerns about the clarity of the images have been laid to rest.  I appreciate Monkey Mia raising the point, but I've moved on from that particular issue. 

That said, I am sensitive to the fact that at least two others, iirc, have expressed some question as to the evidence bags in the images.  I have not yet seen any image analysis at all by those claiming "hinkiness" on this particular issue, let alone anything that would convince me those bags were not sitting in that cage when the images were made. 

I'm happy to take my time with this particular subject, as I have also sensed a reluctance at this time to really "go there". 

Overall, however, I believe the burden is on those claiming there's something wrong with the bags in the images to actually back that up, not the other way around.  At that point, I'll be inclined to research further and decide if my opinion has been affected.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 05, 2009, 11:23:42 AM
GOOD MORNNG MONKEYS!!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
8;25 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2009, 11:31:13 AM
Hello, everyone. 

Icehawk posted a link to an older video last night and commented on how close a boat was in the opening shot.  Just found this picture of the Super Bowl in Aruba, and presume it could be near the Marriott:

(http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/superbowl_aruba.jpg)

http://www.examiner.com/x-2627-DC-International-Travel-Examiner~y2009m2d1-The-Super-Bowl-in-Europe


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 05, 2009, 11:31:33 AM
Quote
Atacho: No need
to postpone POK

~ Tells Dutch to stop chair dancing around Brinkman ~

WILLEMSTAD--There is absolutely no reason for the next Parliamentary Consultation of the Kingdom POK meeting in June to be postponed, Netherlands Antilles Parliament President Pedro Atacho emphasised Wednesday.

“If the Dutch delegation has certain problems pertaining to the parliamentary consultation, they should give the problem a name and a last name. I have the impression it’s about a chair dance around [controversial Parliamentarian Hero] Brinkman,” the Atacho stated.
http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/l221/atacho221.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 05, 2009, 11:35:16 AM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

What is the title of Dayhiker's book?

Janet

+++++++++



Hotshot just curious did you review Dayhiker aka Hiker's book too?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2WJVYS8S38EYZ
Hotshot's book reviews.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 05, 2009, 11:41:20 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

What is the title of Dayhiker's book?

Janet

+++++++++



Hotshot just curious did you review Dayhiker aka Hiker's book too?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2WJVYS8S38EYZ
Hotshot's book reviews.


Jen??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 05, 2009, 11:54:03 AM
Lifesong- I just wanted to thank you for the researching you did on underwater images.

I know that will be helpful for others who may have questions.



Thanks, Jen.

I've yet to see any evidence whatsoever that the images were tampered with in any meaningful or significant way. 

My intention is to avoid getting bogged down in areas of discussion that ultimately lead me no where.  My own concerns about the clarity of the images have been laid to rest.  I appreciate Monkey Mia raising the point, but I've moved on from that particular issue. 

That said, I am sensitive to the fact that at least two others, iirc, have expressed some question as to the evidence bags in the images.  I have not yet seen any image analysis at all by those claiming "hinkiness" on this particular issue, let alone anything that would convince me those bags were not sitting in that cage when the images were made. 

I'm happy to take my time with this particular subject, as I have also sensed a reluctance at this time to really "go there". 

Overall, however, I believe the burden is on those claiming there's something wrong with the bags in the images to actually back that up, not the other way around.  At that point, I'll be inclined to research further and decide if my opinion has been affected.





Lifesong

I have difficulty determining from the ROV images what the contents of the cage are but when I consider Kyle Kingsman's own words I am convinced that Natalee Holloway's remain could have been in that trap/cage.

I am not an expertise in the field of analyzing ROV images.  However ... Kyle Kingman's qualifications are very impressive.  I image that is the reason John Silvetti took him on in the Egypt endeavor last summer.

Also ... logic dictates that Tim Trahan, Louis Shaefer, and Kyle Kingman were not attempting to make a deal with major networks if there was "nothing" case related placed in that trap/cage.

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle: On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Professional Qualifications

 
Kyle Kingman
Senior Geophysical Project Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Greater New York City Area
 
Current
Senior Geophysical Operations Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
 
Past
Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
 
Education
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick

Industry
Oil & Energy
_______
 
Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:
 
Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis.
 
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 05, 2009, 12:07:00 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

What is the title of Dayhiker's book?

Janet

+++++++++



Hotshot just curious did you review Dayhiker aka Hiker's book too?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2WJVYS8S38EYZ
Hotshot's book reviews.


Jen??

wingnut??

SOMEBODY TALK TO ME!!!

 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: wingnut on February 05, 2009, 12:08:55 PM
Lifesong- I just wanted to thank you for the researching you did on underwater images.

I know that will be helpful for others who may have questions.



Thanks, Jen.

I've yet to see any evidence whatsoever that the images were tampered with in any meaningful or significant way. 

My intention is to avoid getting bogged down in areas of discussion that ultimately lead me no where.  My own concerns about the clarity of the images have been laid to rest.  I appreciate Monkey Mia raising the point, but I've moved on from that particular issue. 

That said, I am sensitive to the fact that at least two others, iirc, have expressed some question as to the evidence bags in the images.  I have not yet seen any image analysis at all by those claiming "hinkiness" on this particular issue, let alone anything that would convince me those bags were not sitting in that cage when the images were made. 

I'm happy to take my time with this particular subject, as I have also sensed a reluctance at this time to really "go there". 

Overall, however, I believe the burden is on those claiming there's something wrong with the bags in the images to actually back that up, not the other way around.  At that point, I'll be inclined to research further and decide if my opinion has been affected.





Lifesong

I have difficulty determining from the ROV images what the contents of the cage are but when I consider Kyle Kingsman's own words I am convinced that Natalee Holloway's remain could have been in that trap/cage.

I am not an expertise in the field of analyzing ROV images.  However ... Kyle Kingman's qualifications are very impressive.  I image that is the reason John Silvetti took him on in the Egypt endeavor last summer.

Also ... logic dictates that Tim Trahan, Louis Shaefer, and Kyle Kingman were not attempting to make a deal with major networks if there was "nothing" case related placed in that trap/cage.

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle: On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Professional Qualifications

 
Kyle Kingman
Senior Geophysical Project Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Greater New York City Area
 
Current
Senior Geophysical Operations Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
 
Past
Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
 
Education
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick

Industry
Oil & Energy
_______
 
Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:
 
Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis.
 
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464


I agree with everything you have said here, Janet. 

Also, IIRC, Kyle said that he watched the blue fabric "sway" in the water - that would be the blue "denim-like" fabric that is in the plastic bag on the right.

I was extremely relieved the day that Kyle posted the photo of the bags in the cage.  We all were, because at least there was SOMETHING to prove it actually happened - since the Arubans are (were?) in possession of the contents.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 12:09:21 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

What is the title of Dayhiker's book?

Janet

+++++++++



Hotshot just curious did you review Dayhiker aka Hiker's book too?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2WJVYS8S38EYZ
Hotshot's book reviews.


Jen??

I'm sorry Janet - like I said to Blonde the other day, no personal information about other posters will ever be shared by me.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 12:10:49 PM

I agree with everything you have said here, Janet. 

Also, IIRC, Kyle said that he watched the blue fabric "sway" in the water - that would be the blue "denim-like" fabric that is in the plastic bag on the right.
I was extremely relieved the day that Kyle posted the photo of the bags in the cage.  We all were, because at least there was SOMETHING to prove it actually happened - since the Arubans are (were?) in possession of the contents.



You recall correctly my dear.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wingnut on February 05, 2009, 12:11:52 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

What is the title of Dayhiker's book?

Janet

+++++++++



Hotshot just curious did you review Dayhiker aka Hiker's book too?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2WJVYS8S38EYZ
Hotshot's book reviews.


Jen??

wingnut??

SOMEBODY TALK TO ME!!!

 ::MonkeyWaa::


I'm sorry - I know, but I won't say.  I don't think that will further Natalee's cause.  Plus, it is not "PC" to do so.  wink wink


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 05, 2009, 12:18:12 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

What is the title of Dayhiker's book?

Janet

+++++++++



Hotshot just curious did you review Dayhiker aka Hiker's book too?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2WJVYS8S38EYZ
Hotshot's book reviews.


Jen??

wingnut??

SOMEBODY TALK TO ME!!!

 ::MonkeyWaa::


I'm sorry - I know, but I won't say.  I don't think that will further Natalee's cause.  Plus, it is not "PC" to do so.  wink wink

wingnut ... There is a published book out there on the Natalee Holloway case written by Dayhiker ... the title must not be revealed to Tamikosmom.  It does not make sense.

I will not pursue the issue.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 12:18:39 PM
Lifesong- I just wanted to thank you for the researching you did on underwater images.

I know that will be helpful for others who may have questions.



Thanks, Jen.

I've yet to see any evidence whatsoever that the images were tampered with in any meaningful or significant way. 

My intention is to avoid getting bogged down in areas of discussion that ultimately lead me no where.  My own concerns about the clarity of the images have been laid to rest.  I appreciate Monkey Mia raising the point, but I've moved on from that particular issue. 

That said, I am sensitive to the fact that at least two others, iirc, have expressed some question as to the evidence bags in the images.  I have not yet seen any image analysis at all by those claiming "hinkiness" on this particular issue, let alone anything that would convince me those bags were not sitting in that cage when the images were made. 

I'm happy to take my time with this particular subject, as I have also sensed a reluctance at this time to really "go there". 

Overall, however, I believe the burden is on those claiming there's something wrong with the bags in the images to actually back that up, not the other way around.  At that point, I'll be inclined to research further and decide if my opinion has been affected.





Lifesong

I have difficulty determining from the ROV images what the contents of the cage are but when I consider Kyle Kingsman's own words I am convinced that Natalee Holloway's remain could have been in that trap/cage.

I am not an expertise in the field of analyzing ROV images.  However ... Kyle Kingman's qualifications are very impressive.  I image that is the reason John Silvetti took him on in the Egypt endeavor last summer.

Also ... logic dictates that Tim Trahan, Louis Shaefer, and Kyle Kingman were not attempting to make a deal with major networks if there was "nothing" case related placed in that trap/cage.

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle: On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Professional Qualifications

 
Kyle Kingman
Senior Geophysical Project Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Greater New York City Area
 
Current
Senior Geophysical Operations Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
 
Past
Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
 
Education
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick

Industry
Oil & Energy
_______
 
Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:
 
Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis.
 
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464


I agree with everything you have said here, Janet. 

Also, IIRC, Kyle said that he watched the blue fabric "sway" in the water - that would be the blue "denim-like" fabric that is in the plastic bag on the right.

I was extremely relieved the day that Kyle posted the photo of the bags in the cage.  We all were, because at least there was SOMETHING to prove it actually happened - since the Arubans are (were?) in possession of the contents.



LOGIC DICTATES ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 12:24:51 PM
Lifesong- I just wanted to thank you for the researching you did on underwater images.

I know that will be helpful for others who may have questions.



Thanks, Jen.

I've yet to see any evidence whatsoever that the images were tampered with in any meaningful or significant way. 

My intention is to avoid getting bogged down in areas of discussion that ultimately lead me no where.  My own concerns about the clarity of the images have been laid to rest.  I appreciate Monkey Mia raising the point, but I've moved on from that particular issue. 

That said, I am sensitive to the fact that at least two others, iirc, have expressed some question as to the evidence bags in the images.  I have not yet seen any image analysis at all by those claiming "hinkiness" on this particular issue, let alone anything that would convince me those bags were not sitting in that cage when the images were made. 

I'm happy to take my time with this particular subject, as I have also sensed a reluctance at this time to really "go there". 

Overall, however, I believe the burden is on those claiming there's something wrong with the bags in the images to actually back that up, not the other way around.  At that point, I'll be inclined to research further and decide if my opinion has been affected.





I appreciate the way your mind works.

I may have said this here before, I don't remember.

For me - it would have made no sense whatsoever for Kyle to have manipulated any images prior to sharing them with us.

He was made aware before he joined our forum that a member of Natalee's family was there with us.

So if Kyle were to have manipulated any images (or otherwise lied in any fashion about the activities surrounding that cage) and were to have been found out as having perpetuated a fraud against Natalee's family - well......... I give Kyle's intelligence level more credit than that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 12:25:23 PM
After getting caught up.I saw that the photoshopping argument is being brought up.Again.Kyle is trained to analyze these things.No where at anytime am i aware that Kyle say's these photo's are doctored,and or photoshopped.I have a feeling he will NEVER say these photos are anything other than what they are!Jen,and or wingnut.Can you say with certainty that Kyle not once broached the subject of these photos being altered at anytime that you are aware of?TIA

KEEPTHFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 12:26:31 PM
I think you already answered the question whil i was typing my post Jen.Thanx! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 12:27:12 PM
I think you already answered the question whil i was typing my post Jen.Thanx! ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 12:29:59 PM
KERMIT

"Kyle posted June 13, 2008 2:37 pm
He [John Silvetti] has been talking to polis officials and OM, but I don't know the extent lately.
He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.


The IRS filed a $22 million priority claim against Superior Offshore
http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.708248/browse_thread/thread/6d705c29101cd2f2


KYLE WAS IN EGYPT
look at who Superior Offshore's subsidiary:
(its overseas diving subsidiary Subtech goes under in Africa, the United Arab Emirates
http://moneycentral.hoovers.com/global/msn/factsheet.xhtml?COID=152880
Superior Offshore International, Inc.
717 Texas Ave., Ste. 3150
Houston, TX 77002       
Phone: 713-910-1875
Fax: 713-910-1881
Toll Free: 877-367-5986
You could say that Superior Offshore International dives right into its work. Serving the oil and gas industry, the company specializes in subsea construction and commercial diving services (its overseas diving subsidiary Subtech goes under in Africa, the United Arab Emirates, and Latin America). Services include installation, upgrading and decommissioning of pipelines and platform infrastructure, as well as inspection, maintenance, and repair services performed by highly trained divers. Superior Offshore International serves large integrated energy companies and independent companies that specialize in oil and natural gas exploration, production, gathering, and transmission in the Gulf of Mexico.   
http://moneycentral.hoovers.com/global/msn/factsheet.xhtml?COID=152880


Jossy and John are friends.  John went to Aruba in March to attend a Mansur wedding.
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.300


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 12:31:38 PM
KERMIT

WHAT WAS JOHN SILVETTI REALLY AFTER?

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount. So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after.  It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found herI don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.msg625934#msg625934

Kyle:After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains


I asked Jug about Schaeffer...he is the oil guy. He was the one that provided the cash to get down there. Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.
They do a large mapping process while they are looking for the details. Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil[/u]...etc...while they looked for Natalee too.
Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer


Kyle said: June 29, 2008: I'm curious if the birds connects the dots and figures out what John will do before he knows what he's doing. Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out. I'll be at his house in about 5-6 hours.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 12:34:12 PM
KEEPTHEFAITH

I'm also still intrigued with the Antonio Carlo,Paulus connection?Why go into practice with Carlo?Who owe's who in this relationship?


KERMIT

"How else would you protect money laundering, heroin....

Mark Purcell's wife, Marlene Purcell along with Antonio Carlos are involved in the AHATAboard as well.
Antonio Carlos worked for Johan Paul Sjiem Fat, Sjiem Fat & Sjiem Fat, Aruba

 Paulus Van der Sloot participated on a panel which agreed to extradite two relatives of the Mansurs to the US under serious charges some years back

Antonio Carlos worked for the gov't and banks in Aruba."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 12:35:26 PM
KERMIT

"Beth KNOWS what I have been working on.
And I know exactly what Beth wants.

Everyone who wants to doubt or believe whatever someone else is telling them are free to do so.

Those individuals who want to call me names, be insidious will continue to do so, but it won't stop
the good people from bringing the truth out and expose the Aruba cover-up.
I believe the monkeys stand together!"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 12:36:02 PM
KERMIT

"Beth KNOWS what I have been working on.
And I know exactly what Beth wants.

Everyone who wants to doubt or believe whatever someone else is telling them are free to do so.

Those individuals who want to call me names, be insidious will continue to do so, but it won't stop
the good people from bringing the truth out and expose the Aruba cover-up.
I believe the monkeys stand together!"



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 12:38:21 PM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

       BACK ON TRACK....GO MONKEY'S...BACK ON TRACK...GO MONKEY'S


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 12:39:07 PM
Great posts Lifesong.Here,as well as in musings! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 05, 2009, 12:45:22 PM


Thank you KTF, Tamikosmom & Jen.

We are all in agreement about the ROV images.

It would have been professional suicide for Kyle to fake any of this.  He has shown himself much to eager to cash in on Natalee & her family to take that kind of financial risk with his own career.

That much I feel is certain.

His second biggest mistake was underestimating the Freebirds.   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 12:52:07 PM


Thank you KTF, Tamikosmom & Jen.

We are all in agreement about the ROV images.

It would have been professional suicide for Kyle to fake any of this.  He has shown himself much to eager to cash in on Natalee & her family to take that kind of financial risk with his own career.

That much I feel is certain.

His second biggest mistake was underestimating the Freebirds.   ::MonkeyWink::



Professional suicide is the key.To misconstrue,and or lie about what you are analyzing would not be the wisest thing to do.Hence.That's why he didn't do it.Then you have the Kyle is a scammer acting like a 14yr old.Pleeeeeaaaasssseeeee!!!!!!OK.Just for a minute.Entertain the argument that Kyle was trying to scam.Who?The FBI,Beth Holloway,Dave Holloway,Jug,Robin,The TV companies,as well as the Freebirds.What kinda Federal charges would that incur?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 12:55:02 PM


Thank you KTF, Tamikosmom & Jen.

We are all in agreement about the ROV images.

It would have been professional suicide for Kyle to fake any of this.  He has shown himself much to eager to cash in on Natalee & her family to take that kind of financial risk with his own career.

That much I feel is certain.

His second biggest mistake was underestimating the Freebirds.   ::MonkeyWink::



His first biggest mistake was obviously not having shared this information with Beth and Dave, the FBI, and whatever other calvary he could have thought of on January 7, 2008.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 05, 2009, 01:14:25 PM
KERMIT

"Beth KNOWS what I have been working on.
And I know exactly what Beth wants.


Well, I feel better about this already...  ::MonkeyWink::

What does she want ? ???  What can We Do To Help ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 05, 2009, 01:32:50 PM

I do have something to say about all this nonsense regarding putting anyone's life in danger.

Anyone, whether inside ALE or with ties to ALE, who actually knows the truth about any aspect of this case and the coverup, whether they were involved in it or watched it happen firsthand, has now had four & a half years to prepare and put themselves in a position to expose it.

I have no more patience for cowards or secret sources.

If, for example, Clyde Burke, does know the truth and isn't involved in perpetuating the coverup, then in my opinion its time for him to quit hiding and be a man.  He has plenty of options to secure his family and himself if he is concerned about safety and livelihood issues.  Again, he's had 4.5 years to prepare, that's more than enough time. 

If you're Clyde Burke, or any other ALE detective, and you know the truth, don't pretend like you want to help the case get solved.  Get off your butt and start looking up your chain of command until you find the one honest person in it with enough power to act on your information. 

If you don't want to do that, get your family to America (or wherever) and get on the news.  Name names, places, times.  Who was bought off, who did favors for free, where is she, where was she, what happened.  Stop playing games with this family just to cover your own behind.

Same goes for CAPS

If Clyde Burke or CAPs or any other so-called secret source is killed in Aruba, it won't be because they were mentioned on a public (or private) internet message board.  It will be because they were a jackass playing ridiculous games with people's lives and too cowardly to do the right thing. 

It's just not that complicated, imo.

And I'm making my opinion clear here, because going forward I can't imagine I'm going to have any real compunction about calling these people out.  It's just enough.  How many years do they need? 

If I'm wrong about this, I am quite certain that Red/Klaas/theAmazingMods will not allow me to use this forum to undermine the family.  If Natalee's family thinks someone is helping them and needs to be kept secret, I am confident their wishes will be honored here.

Just sayin'...

 ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 01:40:03 PM

I do have something to say about all this nonsense regarding putting anyone's life in danger.

Anyone, whether inside ALE or with ties to ALE, who actually knows the truth about any aspect of this case and the coverup, whether they were involved in it or watched it happen firsthand, has now had four & a half years to prepare and put themselves in a position to expose it.

I have no more patience for cowards or secret sources.

If, for example, Clyde Burke, does know the truth and isn't involved in perpetuating the coverup, then in my opinion its time for him to quit hiding and be a man.  He has plenty of options to secure his family and himself if he is concerned about safety and livelihood issues.  Again, he's had 4.5 years to prepare, that's more than enough time. 

If you're Clyde Burke, or any other ALE detective, and you know the truth, don't pretend like you want to help the case get solved.  Get off your butt and start looking up your chain of command until you find the one honest person in it with enough power to act on your information. 

If you don't want to do that, get your family to America (or wherever) and get on the news.  Name names, places, times.  Who was bought off, who did favors for free, where is she, where was she, what happened.  Stop playing games with this family just to cover your own behind.

Same goes for CAPS

If Clyde Burke or CAPs or any other so-called secret source is killed in Aruba, it won't be because they were mentioned on a public (or private) internet message board.  It will be because they were a jackass playing ridiculous games with people's lives and too cowardly to do the right thing. 

It's just not that complicated, imo.

And I'm making my opinion clear here, because going forward I can't imagine I'm going to have any real compunction about calling these people out.  It's just enough.  How many years do they need? 

If I'm wrong about this, I am quite certain that Red/Klaas/theAmazingMods will not allow me to use this forum to undermine the family.  If Natalee's family thinks someone is helping them and needs to be kept secret, I am confident their wishes will be honored here.

Just sayin'...

 ::MonkeyCool::





Great post LifeSong.I concur wholeheartedly.That whole Island knows what happen to some degree.They know who the culprits are,who covered it up,as well as who continues to perpetuate the lies.Very simple!I agree with Janet.Justice will not come frome Aruba or the Netherlands!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wingnut on February 05, 2009, 01:40:48 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

What is the title of Dayhiker's book?

Janet

+++++++++



Hotshot just curious did you review Dayhiker aka Hiker's book too?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2WJVYS8S38EYZ
Hotshot's book reviews.


Jen??

wingnut??

SOMEBODY TALK TO ME!!!

 ::MonkeyWaa::


I'm sorry - I know, but I won't say.  I don't think that will further Natalee's cause.  Plus, it is not "PC" to do so.  wink wink

wingnut ... There is a published book out there on the Natalee Holloway case written by Dayhiker ... the title must not be revealed to Tamikosmom.  It does not make sense.

I will not pursue the issue.

Janet




NO - Natalee is NOT the topic, and so as stated - it is irrelevant to Natalee's cause.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2009, 01:48:33 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 02:00:41 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there. 

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on February 05, 2009, 02:01:59 PM
I did see a couple of new items (at least they were new to me) listed on Amazon-about Natalee- not saying they are at all related to having been authored by Dayhiker. I just thought a couple of them were interesting.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=holloway+aruba&x=0&y=0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on February 05, 2009, 02:04:46 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there. 

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

Could he deduct anything for the search as humanitarian/ charitable and write off some for tax purposes? Maybe upto a certain dollar amount? When that amount was met- the search was over? Just thinking out loud.........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 02:11:50 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there. 

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

Could he deduct anything for the search as humanitarian/ charitable and write off some for tax purposes? Maybe upto a certain dollar amount? When that amount was met- the search was over? Just thinking out loud.........

1.Write off taxes
2.Map the ocean floor

What else?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on February 05, 2009, 02:13:51 PM
Search for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on February 05, 2009, 02:14:18 PM
Search for previously undiscovered wrecks or crashes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 02:15:19 PM
Lifesong - you're on a roll today, and I appreciate your candor.

You have expressed it all very well!!  Kudos to you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 02:16:22 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there. 

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

Could he deduct anything for the search as humanitarian/ charitable and write off some for tax purposes? Maybe upto a certain dollar amount? When that amount was met- the search was over? Just thinking out loud.........

1.Write off taxes
2.Map the ocean floor

What else?


Explore/generate/grow new business partners and options?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 05, 2009, 02:18:46 PM
Humanitarian reason for being in the area with search boats?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on February 05, 2009, 02:19:47 PM
Humanitarian reason for being in the area with search boats?

Yes searching for a missing American. Natalee. At least that is what I meant it as.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 02:20:22 PM
Search for Natalee.

I dont' trust this one! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Why would you spend millions of dollars to search for Natalee Holloway,find a cage/trap that she potentially is in,only to GLADLY let ALE confiscate the contents without any resistence.Not very logical to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 05, 2009, 02:20:52 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there. 

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 05, 2009, 02:22:17 PM
i already touched on this in the previous thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660298#msg660298

Aruba accuses The Netherlands of espionage

Oduber: irreparable damage between Aruba-Netherlands

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52388.php

(i will translate if article won't appear in English soon)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 02:23:13 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there. 

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


Does Jossy own a bank?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2009, 02:23:15 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there. 

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

Could he deduct anything for the search as humanitarian/ charitable and write off some for tax purposes? Maybe upto a certain dollar amount? When that amount was met- the search was over? Just thinking out loud.........

1.Write off taxes
2.Map the ocean floor

What else?


Explore/generate/grow new business partners and options?

Sell off holdings to foreign investors/corporations is where my mind was going.  Dunno....just still thinking about the timeline of events leading up to the search and following.  It's HINKY, for sure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 02:23:44 PM
i already touched on this in the previous thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660298#msg660298

Aruba accuses The Netherlands of espionage

Oduber: irreparable damage between Aruba-Netherlands

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52388.php

(i will translate if article won't appear in English soon)

Espionage??? Geez!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: bleachedblack on February 05, 2009, 02:24:04 PM
OK- so he wasn't there to search for Natalee at all?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 05, 2009, 02:24:44 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there. 

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


And, Bingo!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 02:26:23 PM
OK- so he wasn't there to search for Natalee at all?


According to the cng crew, she was secondary.

Of course, someone tried to come in and say that was all a ruse to flush out a leak - but considering the leak is STILL at that site.............and other details..........I just didn't believe that excuse.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 02:27:03 PM
OK- so he wasn't there to search for Natalee at all?


I think the fiasco surrounding the contents of the cage/trap lead me to believe exactly that!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 02:28:17 PM
OK- so he wasn't there to search for Natalee at all?


I think the fiasco surrounding the contents of the cage/trap lead me to believe exactly that!

I think having found what was possibly Natalee so soon after they arrived might have been a hitch in their giddyup.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 02:28:48 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there. 

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


And, Bingo!



As Bob Barker would say "Come on down Magnolia,your the next contestant on the Price is right! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 05, 2009, 02:30:30 PM
i already touched on this in the previous thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660298#msg660298

Aruba accuses The Netherlands of espionage

Oduber: irreparable damage between Aruba-Netherlands

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52388.php

(i will translate if article won't appear in English soon)

Espionage??? Geez!!

this is going to be to biggest row between Aruba and The Netherlands in many years.

an internal report from the Dutch government has leaked. Rudy got this report.
it accuses Rudy, his brother Hendrik and Oduber and even the PG of scandalous behaviour.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 02:31:22 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there. 

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


And, Bingo!



Maybe,just maybe the FBI,as well as IRS are waiting to see some certain people's tax returns.You think?Be a great start.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 02:33:53 PM
i already touched on this in the previous thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660298#msg660298

Aruba accuses The Netherlands of espionage

Oduber: irreparable damage between Aruba-Netherlands

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52388.php

(i will translate if article won't appear in English soon)

Espionage??? Geez!!

this is going to be to biggest row between Aruba and The Netherlands in many years.

an internal report from the Dutch government has leaked. Rudy got this report.
it accuses Rudy, his brother Hendrik and Oduber and even the PG of scandalous behaviour.

That is GREAT news!!  Thank you caesu!

Does it go into detail or give specifics about their scandalous behavior?

This truly is the best news I've heard in a long, long time.  That the Netherlands have been looking into the corruption of the Aruban government is truly heartening!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 02:34:24 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there. 

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


And, Bingo!



Maybe,just maybe the FBI,as well as IRS are waiting to see some certain people's tax returns.You think?Be a great start.

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 02:39:42 PM
Kyle said Silvetti was paying his invoices.Was Kyle paid,take a pay-cut,will he use this as a tax write off as well?Jen?Any ideas.

How would this trip benefit everyone on the ship.You just don't leave families at home and go work for FREE for 4 months.I would think for the deckhands,as well as some of the crew!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
i already touched on this in the previous thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660298#msg660298

Aruba accuses The Netherlands of espionage

Oduber: irreparable damage between Aruba-Netherlands

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52388.php

(i will translate if article won't appear in English soon)

Espionage??? Geez!!

this is going to be to biggest row between Aruba and The Netherlands in many years.

an internal report from the Dutch government has leaked. Rudy got this report.
it accuses Rudy, his brother Hendrik and Oduber and even the PG  of scandalous behaviour.

The PG...............the current PG?  Or one of the former PG's?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 02:40:49 PM
Kyle said Silvetti was paying his invoices.Was Kyle paid,take a pay-cut,will he use this as a tax write off as well?Jen?Any ideas.

How would this trip benefit everyone on the ship.You just don't leave families at home and go work for FREE for 4 months.I would think for the deckhands,as well as some of the crew!

Yes - Kyle said Silvetti was the one paying his invoices.

He also told us most were taking somewhere between .20 - .50 cents on the dollar for their time on the Persistence.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 05, 2009, 02:42:23 PM
Kyle said Silvetti was paying his invoices.Was Kyle paid,take a pay-cut,will he use this as a tax write off as well?Jen?Any ideas.

How would this trip benefit everyone on the ship.You just don't leave families at home and go work for FREE for 4 months.I would think for the deckhands,as well as some of the crew!

Kyle posted on this forum that he personally lost $15.000.
He didn't explain how.  Casino?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 02:44:08 PM
Kyle said Silvetti was paying his invoices.Was Kyle paid,take a pay-cut,will he use this as a tax write off as well?Jen?Any ideas.

How would this trip benefit everyone on the ship.You just don't leave families at home and go work for FREE for 4 months.I would think for the deckhands,as well as some of the crew!

Kyle posted on this forum that he personally lost $15.000.
He didn't explain how.  Casino?

Interesting...............considering he bought a new house last year.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 05, 2009, 02:55:15 PM
i already touched on this in the previous thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660298#msg660298

Aruba accuses The Netherlands of espionage

Oduber: irreparable damage between Aruba-Netherlands

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52388.php

(i will translate if article won't appear in English soon)

Espionage??? Geez!!

this is going to be to biggest row between Aruba and The Netherlands in many years.

an internal report from the Dutch government has leaked. Rudy got this report.
it accuses Rudy, his brother Hendrik and Oduber and even the PG  of scandalous behaviour.

The PG...............the current PG?  Or one of the former PG's?

yes, the current PG.

the internal report leaked to Rudy is saying the PG, Rudy & Hendrik Croes, Oduber, Wever are all working together to intimidate and get in collision with The Netherlands.

if this is really an internal report from the Dutch government, and Rudy Croes is not making stuff up, this will be a major diplomatic row between Aruba and The Netherlands.

i am just waiting for the Dutch media to pick up on this. might take a few hours.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2009, 02:58:22 PM
Wonder who paid for their lodging and meals when on shore....

As for losing $15K....guess we'd have to know how much Kyle normally earned while in these contract positions then do the math (20-50 cents to the dollar). 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 03:04:35 PM
Wonder who paid for their lodging and meals when on shore....

As for losing $15K....guess we'd have to know how much Kyle normally earned while in these contract positions then do the math (20-50 cents to the dollar). 

OH dangit!!!  I actually know the answer to this one....................let me find it!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 03:06:31 PM
i already touched on this in the previous thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660298#msg660298

Aruba accuses The Netherlands of espionage

Oduber: irreparable damage between Aruba-Netherlands

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52388.php

(i will translate if article won't appear in English soon)

Espionage??? Geez!!

this is going to be to biggest row between Aruba and The Netherlands in many years.

an internal report from the Dutch government has leaked. Rudy got this report.
it accuses Rudy, his brother Hendrik and Oduber and even the PG of scandalous behaviour.

caesu, I missed your previous post about this article, and just went and read it.

thank you for keeping us updated!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 03:07:48 PM
We're having a discussion Janet! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 03:14:11 PM
Wonder who paid for their lodging and meals when on shore....

As for losing $15K....guess we'd have to know how much Kyle normally earned while in these contract positions then do the math (20-50 cents to the dollar). 

I don't know if others aside from Tim Miller stayed there or not.............I would presume so, considering Tim was gone as of December 30th.

THEY HAD THE USE OF A 2-BEDROOM TIMESHARE THAT WAS DONATED TO THEM

DOVER — Chief executive officer of Sell My Timeshare Now, Jason Tremblay, is the first to say that no one should ever have to use timeshare resort property for a reason as sad as this one.

Tremblay's company is providing a two-bedroom timeshare to the members of the Texas-based search team, EquuSearch, who are in Aruba this week, continuing the search for Natalee Holloway, the American teenager who disappeared while on a school trip in 2005
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/BIZ/712190347/-1/rss02


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2009, 03:17:13 PM
Wonder who paid for their lodging and meals when on shore....

As for losing $15K....guess we'd have to know how much Kyle normally earned while in these contract positions then do the math (20-50 cents to the dollar). 

I don't know if others aside from Tim Miller stayed there or not.............I would presume so, considering Tim was gone as of December 30th.

THEY HAD THE USE OF A 2-BEDROOM TIMESHARE THAT WAS DONATED TO THEM

DOVER — Chief executive officer of Sell My Timeshare Now, Jason Tremblay, is the first to say that no one should ever have to use timeshare resort property for a reason as sad as this one.

Tremblay's company is providing a two-bedroom timeshare to the members of the Texas-based search team, EquuSearch, who are in Aruba this week, continuing the search for Natalee Holloway, the American teenager who disappeared while on a school trip in 2005
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/BIZ/712190347/-1/rss02


Another snippet from that article leads me to believe this timeshare was indeed used by others aside from Tim Miller:

"The search crew was planning to sleep on the search boat each night, but it only made sense that a hot shower and a comfortable bed at the timeshare makes it easier for them to maintain their stamina and focus," said Tremblay, whose company helps timeshare owners market and advertise their property as a timeshare rental or timeshare resale.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 03:17:29 PM
Wonder who paid for their lodging and meals when on shore....

As for losing $15K....guess we'd have to know how much Kyle normally earned while in these contract positions then do the math (20-50 cents to the dollar). 

I don't know if others aside from Tim Miller stayed there or not.............I would presume so, considering Tim was gone as of December 30th.

THEY HAD THE USE OF A 2-BEDROOM TIMESHARE THAT WAS DONATED TO THEM

DOVER — Chief executive officer of Sell My Timeshare Now, Jason Tremblay, is the first to say that no one should ever have to use timeshare resort property for a reason as sad as this one.

Tremblay's company is providing a two-bedroom timeshare to the members of the Texas-based search team, EquuSearch, who are in Aruba this week, continuing the search for Natalee Holloway, the American teenager who disappeared while on a school trip in 2005
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/BIZ/712190347/-1/rss02


When Kyle was off the Persistence in January didn't he stay at a hotel?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
Wonder who paid for their lodging and meals when on shore....

As for losing $15K....guess we'd have to know how much Kyle normally earned while in these contract positions then do the math (20-50 cents to the dollar). 

I don't know if others aside from Tim Miller stayed there or not.............I would presume so, considering Tim was gone as of December 30th.

THEY HAD THE USE OF A 2-BEDROOM TIMESHARE THAT WAS DONATED TO THEM

DOVER — Chief executive officer of Sell My Timeshare Now, Jason Tremblay, is the first to say that no one should ever have to use timeshare resort property for a reason as sad as this one.

Tremblay's company is providing a two-bedroom timeshare to the members of the Texas-based search team, EquuSearch, who are in Aruba this week, continuing the search for Natalee Holloway, the American teenager who disappeared while on a school trip in 2005
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/BIZ/712190347/-1/rss02


I had known that, too, Jen, but was not thinking of the Persistence crew as TES team when I posted.  Is it near the hotels or in one of them?  Just thinking of Kyle's post about being on the beach, the boat, the site, etc.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 05, 2009, 03:22:40 PM
Wonder who paid for their lodging and meals when on shore....

As for losing $15K....guess we'd have to know how much Kyle normally earned while in these contract positions then do the math (20-50 cents to the dollar). 

I don't know if others aside from Tim Miller stayed there or not.............I would presume so, considering Tim was gone as of December 30th.

THEY HAD THE USE OF A 2-BEDROOM TIMESHARE THAT WAS DONATED TO THEM

DOVER — Chief executive officer of Sell My Timeshare Now, Jason Tremblay, is the first to say that no one should ever have to use timeshare resort property for a reason as sad as this one.

Tremblay's company is providing a two-bedroom timeshare to the members of the Texas-based search team, EquuSearch, who are in Aruba this week, continuing the search for Natalee Holloway, the American teenager who disappeared while on a school trip in 2005
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/BIZ/712190347/-1/rss02


When Kyle was off the Persistence in January didn't he stay at a hotel?

He said the Holiday Inn.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 03:24:36 PM
Wonder who paid for their lodging and meals when on shore....

As for losing $15K....guess we'd have to know how much Kyle normally earned while in these contract positions then do the math (20-50 cents to the dollar). 

I don't know if others aside from Tim Miller stayed there or not.............I would presume so, considering Tim was gone as of December 30th.

THEY HAD THE USE OF A 2-BEDROOM TIMESHARE THAT WAS DONATED TO THEM

DOVER — Chief executive officer of Sell My Timeshare Now, Jason Tremblay, is the first to say that no one should ever have to use timeshare resort property for a reason as sad as this one.

Tremblay's company is providing a two-bedroom timeshare to the members of the Texas-based search team, EquuSearch, who are in Aruba this week, continuing the search for Natalee Holloway, the American teenager who disappeared while on a school trip in 2005
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/BIZ/712190347/-1/rss02


When Kyle was off the Persistence in January didn't he stay at a hotel?

He said the Holiday Inn.

If you had somewhere to stay for FREE.Why would you stay there?Can't be cheap if it wasn't FREE.Who owns the Holiday Inn?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 05, 2009, 03:25:37 PM
Kyle said Silvetti was paying his invoices.Was Kyle paid,take a pay-cut,will he use this as a tax write off as well?Jen?Any ideas.

How would this trip benefit everyone on the ship.You just don't leave families at home and go work for FREE for 4 months.I would think for the deckhands,as well as some of the crew!

Kyle posted on this forum that he personally lost $15.000.
He didn't explain how.  Casino?

Interesting...............considering he bought a new house last year.

And Schaeffer bought a $ 3.5 million in May 2007, the same month he contacted Dave Holloway.  I'll go dollars to doughnuts that rather than "losing half his fortune on the search for Natalee Holloway",  Schaeffer increased his overall personal financial position in both 2007 & 2008.  I would imagine 2009 may depend on a variety of factors, not the least of which are the lawsuits.

JMO & only MO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 05, 2009, 03:27:16 PM
Kyle said Silvetti was paying his invoices.Was Kyle paid,take a pay-cut,will he use this as a tax write off as well?Jen?Any ideas.

How would this trip benefit everyone on the ship.You just don't leave families at home and go work for FREE for 4 months.I would think for the deckhands,as well as some of the crew!

Kyle posted on this forum that he personally lost $15.000.
He didn't explain how.  Casino?

Interesting...............considering he bought a new house last year.

And Schaeffer bought a $ 3.5 million house in May 2007, the same month he contacted Dave Holloway.  I'll go dollars to doughnuts that rather than "losing half his fortune on the search for Natalee Holloway",  Schaeffer increased his overall personal financial position in both 2007 & 2008.  I would imagine 2009 may depend on a variety of factors, not the least of which are the lawsuits.

JMO & only MO

Edited my own post because my fingers were ignoring my brain.    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 03:33:22 PM
Kyle said Silvetti was paying his invoices.Was Kyle paid,take a pay-cut,will he use this as a tax write off as well?Jen?Any ideas.

How would this trip benefit everyone on the ship.You just don't leave families at home and go work for FREE for 4 months.I would think for the deckhands,as well as some of the crew!

Kyle posted on this forum that he personally lost $15.000.
He didn't explain how.  Casino?

Interesting...............considering he bought a new house last year.

And Schaeffer bought a $ 3.5 million house in May 2007, the same month he contacted Dave Holloway.  I'll go dollars to doughnuts that rather than "losing half his fortune on the search for Natalee Holloway",  Schaeffer increased his overall personal financial position in both 2007 & 2008.  I would imagine 2009 may depend on a variety of factors, not the least of which are the lawsuits.

JMO & only MO

Edited my own post because my fingers were ignoring my brain.    ::MonkeyEek::


Isn't that amazing how that works.Sell your stocks,company goes bankrupt,you buy a 3.7million dollar home,fund a multi-million dollar search out of the goodness of your heart?Why don't i buy that? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2009, 03:35:56 PM
Wonder who paid for their lodging and meals when on shore....

As for losing $15K....guess we'd have to know how much Kyle normally earned while in these contract positions then do the math (20-50 cents to the dollar). 


I don't know if others aside from Tim Miller stayed there or not.............I would presume so, considering Tim was gone as of December 30th.

THEY HAD THE USE OF A 2-BEDROOM TIMESHARE THAT WAS DONATED TO THEM

DOVER — Chief executive officer of Sell My Timeshare Now, Jason Tremblay, is the first to say that no one should ever have to use timeshare resort property for a reason as sad as this one.

Tremblay's company is providing a two-bedroom timeshare to the members of the Texas-based search team, EquuSearch, who are in Aruba this week, continuing the search for Natalee Holloway, the American teenager who disappeared while on a school trip in 2005
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/BIZ/712190347/-1/rss02


When Kyle was off the Persistence in January didn't he stay at a hotel?

He said the Holiday Inn.

If you had somewhere to stay for FREE.Why would you stay there?Can't be cheap if it wasn't FREE.Who owns the Holiday Inn?

I just did a quick search and it appears that the HI has time shares available.  fwiw

Must go for a bit.  bbl 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 05, 2009, 03:42:57 PM
We're having a discussion Janet! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Keepthefaith.

You all are doing great research on this topic.  Considering ... I do not have any knowledge regarding the accounting end in regards to business tax deductions, etc. ... I do not have anything to contribute.  If you think I do ... just ask.  jen and wingnut are in a position to share related info that Kyle Kingman shared on the Natalee's Freebirds' site outside of what Kermit has sbmitted to the SM site.

I have made the decision to work on a document related to Phil McGraw/Kalpoe lawsuit.   I promise to share it with the forum upon completion.

Magnolia ... I am thankful that you are good at something.  That sweater you knitted me is keeping me toasty warm.  I am feeling hinky all over.

 ::cartwheel::

Later, Janet.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 03:45:45 PM
We're having a discussion Janet! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Keepthefaith.

You all are doing great research on this topic.  Considering ... I do not have any knowledge regarding the accounting end in regards to business tax deductions, etc. ... I do not have anything to contribute.  If you think I do ... just ask.  jen and wingnut are in a position to share related info that Kyle Kingman shared on the Natalee's Freebirds' site outside of what Kermit has sbmitted to the SM site.

I have made the decision to work on a document related to Phil McGraw/Kalpoe lawsuit.   I promise to share it with the forum upon completion.

Magnolia ... I am thankful that you are good at something.  That sweater you knitted me is keeping me toasty warm.  I am feeling hinky all over.

 ::cartwheel::

Later, Janet.



Here's something crazy.I just had a customer talking about there fax machine acting up.Yep!They said it was acting Hinky..No Sh_T!Absolutely bizarre.....FWIW


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 05, 2009, 04:08:23 PM
We're having a discussion Janet! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Keepthefaith.

You all are doing great research on this topic.  Considering ... I do not have any knowledge regarding the accounting end in regards to business tax deductions, etc. ... I do not have anything to contribute.  If you think I do ... just ask.  jen and wingnut are in a position to share related info that Kyle Kingman shared on the Natalee's Freebirds' site outside of what Kermit has sbmitted to the SM site.

I have made the decision to work on a document related to Phil McGraw/Kalpoe lawsuit.   I promise to share it with the forum upon completion.

Magnolia ... I am thankful that you are good at something.  That sweater you knitted me is keeping me toasty warm.  I am feeling hinky all over.

 ::cartwheel::

Later, Janet.



Here's something crazy.I just had a customer talking about there fax machine acting up.Yep!They said it was acting Hinky..No Sh_T!Absolutely bizarre.....FWIW

I do believe that "hinky" implies that something is wrong but ... I have adopted as a word to use in any situation when the "right word" just will not come.

The content of the sentence should reveal the intended meaning

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 05, 2009, 04:28:17 PM
i already touched on this in the previous thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660298#msg660298

Aruba accuses The Netherlands of espionage

Oduber: irreparable damage between Aruba-Netherlands

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52388.php

(i will translate if article won't appear in English soon)

Espionage??? Geez!!

this is going to be to biggest row between Aruba and The Netherlands in many years.

an internal report from the Dutch government has leaked. Rudy got this report.
it accuses Rudy, his brother Hendrik and Oduber and even the PG of scandalous behaviour.

caesu, I missed your previous post about this article, and just went and read it.

thank you for keeping us updated!

by the way, Rudy Croes was supposed to be in The Netherlands this week.
for a tripartite meeting between the three justice ministers (Hirsch Ballin, David Dick, Rudy Croes).
but he didn't turn up in protest of not getting the higher court re-located to Aruba.
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20090129_dick-imago
instead he schedules a press-conference and accuses the Dutch of espionage...

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2d7c8jn.png)
http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 05, 2009, 04:40:29 PM
We're having a discussion Janet! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Keepthefaith.

You all are doing great research on this topic.  Considering ... I do not have any knowledge regarding the accounting end in regards to business tax deductions, etc. ... I do not have anything to contribute.  If you think I do ... just ask.  jen and wingnut are in a position to share related info that Kyle Kingman shared on the Natalee's Freebirds' site outside of what Kermit has sbmitted to the SM site.

I have made the decision to work on a document related to Phil McGraw/Kalpoe lawsuit.   I promise to share it with the forum upon completion.

Magnolia ... I am thankful that you are good at something.  That sweater you knitted me is keeping me toasty warm.  I am feeling hinky all over.

 ::cartwheel::

Later, Janet.



I am so glad you like your sweater, Janet.
Did you see Kermit's warm suit that he is going to wear for
his trip to the Frazer Valley?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 05, 2009, 04:57:39 PM
We're having a discussion Janet! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Keepthefaith.

You all are doing great research on this topic.  Considering ... I do not have any knowledge regarding the accounting end in regards to business tax deductions, etc. ... I do not have anything to contribute.  If you think I do ... just ask.  jen and wingnut are in a position to share related info that Kyle Kingman shared on the Natalee's Freebirds' site outside of what Kermit has sbmitted to the SM site.

I have made the decision to work on a document related to Phil McGraw/Kalpoe lawsuit.   I promise to share it with the forum upon completion.

Magnolia ... I am thankful that you are good at something.  That sweater you knitted me is keeping me toasty warm.  I am feeling hinky all over.

 ::cartwheel::

Later, Janet.



I am so glad you like your sweater, Janet.
Did you see Kermit's warm suit that he is going to wear for
his trip to the Frazer Valley?

I did miss the photo of Kermit in his outfit you knitted him for the trip to Canada.  When it is considered that winter is far from over ... Kermit is also going to feel "hinky" all over.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet

++++
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg658537#msg658537


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 05, 2009, 05:32:50 PM
Accusing the Dutch of espionage sounds pretty serious.

Makes me wonder what they are doing that they think worthy of spying on?


 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 05, 2009, 05:53:36 PM
Accusing the Dutch of espionage sounds pretty serious.

Makes me wonder what they are doing that they think worthy of spying on?


 ::MonkeyShocked::


Rudy Croes is unbelievably stupid.
how he ever got that justice minister job is mingboggling.
Hendrik Croes and Oduber should keep him on a much shorter leash if they were smart, but i hope they don't.

if he didn't make fuss about this leaked internal report it would not have reached the media.
he always opens his mouth and causes trouble. but i hope he keeps doing that.

now everyone can read how the Dutch Governmental representation on Aruba thinks about the Aruban Government.
and it sounds to me a pretty close analysis. for example that Croes always tries to get in a fight with Netherlands.
right away Croes shows that the internal report is spot on by accusing the Dutch of espionage and throwing more insults.

and by saying "the Dutch are spying" on us. he is in fact acknowledging the information from "the Dutch CIA < his words" is correct.
he feels like he is caught red-handed.

now it already has hit the Dutch media.
http://www.elsevier.nl/web/Nieuws/Laatste-24-uur.htm?contentid=222569
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2024230.ece/_Aruba_woedend_over__spionage__van_Nederland_.html
http://binnenland.nieuws.nl/545527/aruba_woedend_over_spionage_van_nederland

let's wait if there comes more fall-out from this.
because this is just from a press agency (novum), no full news articles yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 05, 2009, 05:55:05 PM
It is Absured, I had to laugh when I read that.

Aruba is a political crime Nest.. Corrupt people are swarming the island..

This is what they really need..

(http://www.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/3/0/8/large/8036.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 05, 2009, 06:28:59 PM
i already touched on this in the previous thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660298#msg660298

Aruba accuses The Netherlands of espionage

Oduber: irreparable damage between Aruba-Netherlands

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52388.php

(i will translate if article won't appear in English soon)

Espionage??? Geez!!

this is going to be to biggest row between Aruba and The Netherlands in many years.

an internal report from the Dutch government has leaked. Rudy got this report.
it accuses Rudy, his brother Hendrik and Oduber and even the PG of scandalous behaviour.

caesu, I missed your previous post about this article, and just went and read it.

thank you for keeping us updated!

by the way, Rudy Croes was supposed to be in The Netherlands this week.
for a tripartite meeting between the three justice ministers (Hirsch Ballin, David Dick, Rudy Croes).
but he didn't turn up in protest of not getting the higher court re-located to Aruba.
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20090129_dick-imago
instead he schedules a press-conference and accuses the Dutch of espionage...

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2d7c8jn.png)
http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/



caesu, seem Rudy is pushing buttons isn't he?  How long will they let him get by pulling these stunts?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on February 05, 2009, 06:53:25 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on Today at 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on Today at 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on Today at 12:48:33 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there.

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


Does Jossy own a bank?






http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2886.0





The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 06:58:01 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on Today at 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on Today at 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on Today at 12:48:33 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there.

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


Does Jossy own a bank?






http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2886.0





The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

Thanx IceHawk.Figured it was one of the banks.Just wasn't sure which one!Your next post better be good as it is #50!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 07:04:04 PM
Can anyone make heads or tails outta this?

http://esignal.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingRTF1?SessionID=ld7xWNCx-E1C5Lh&ID=5582733


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 05, 2009, 07:04:43 PM
Does anyone know if there is any previous association between Schaeffer and Silvetti?  I'm just curious how those two got hooked up and what their history together might be.

TIA!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 07:05:20 PM
Can anyone make heads or tails outta this?

http://esignal.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingRTF1?SessionID=ld7xWNCx-E1C5Lh&ID=5582733

Have you seen this LifeSong,TM??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on February 05, 2009, 07:07:55 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on Today at 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on Today at 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on Today at 12:48:33 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there.

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


Does Jossy own a bank?






http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2886.0





The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

Thanx IceHawk.Figured it was one of the banks.Just wasn't sure which one!Your next post better be good as it is #50!





Ok. Here it is. Some protection for Kermit









(http://)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 07:11:40 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on Today at 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on Today at 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on Today at 12:48:33 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there.

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


Does Jossy own a bank?






http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2886.0





The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

Thanx IceHawk.Figured it was one of the banks.Just wasn't sure which one!Your next post better be good as it is #50!





Ok. Here it is. Some protection for Kermit









(http://)

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 07:12:21 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on Today at 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on Today at 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on Today at 12:48:33 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there.

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


Does Jossy own a bank?






http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2886.0





The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

Thanx IceHawk.Figured it was one of the banks.Just wasn't sure which one!Your next post better be good as it is #50!





Ok. Here it is. Some protection for Kermit









(http://)




 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 05, 2009, 07:12:41 PM
For Icehawk:  (http://bestsmileys.com/tropheys/3.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 05, 2009, 07:14:52 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on Today at 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on Today at 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on Today at 12:48:33 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there.

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


Does Jossy own a bank?






http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2886.0





The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

Thanx IceHawk.Figured it was one of the banks.Just wasn't sure which one!Your next post better be good as it is #50!





Ok. Here it is. Some protection for Kermit









(http://)
Icehawk...I Believe that Kermit will Love It!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 07:18:44 PM
Can anyone make heads or tails outta this?

http://esignal.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingRTF1?SessionID=ld7xWNCx-E1C5Lh&ID=5582733

Have you seen this LifeSong,TM??

BUMP..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on February 05, 2009, 07:22:17 PM
Justice for Natalee.





(http://)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2009, 07:24:30 PM
Can anyone make heads or tails outta this?

http://esignal.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingRTF1?SessionID=ld7xWNCx-E1C5Lh&ID=5582733

SEC report about the loan for the ship Achiever, which I think is the one that they sold to the Dutch company.  Right now the company name is escaping me.  It's been posted a few times.  (mmmmm  London Interbank)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 07:26:17 PM
Can anyone make heads or tails outta this?

http://esignal.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingRTF1?SessionID=ld7xWNCx-E1C5Lh&ID=5582733

SEC report about the loan for the ship Achiever, which I think is the one that they sold to the Dutch company.  Right now the company name is escaping me.  It's been posted a few times.  (mmmmm  London Interbank)

Thanx 2nj!

Here's another.Many probably have already seen it but will throw it out there!

http://www.secinfo.com/dsvRu.u4Z5.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 07:28:41 PM
Can anyone make heads or tails outta this?

http://esignal.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingRTF1?SessionID=ld7xWNCx-E1C5Lh&ID=5582733

SEC report about the loan for the ship Achiever, which I think is the one that they sold to the Dutch company.  Right now the company name is escaping me.  It's been posted a few times.  (mmmmm  London Interbank)

Thanx 2nj!

Here's another.Many probably have already seen it but will throw it out there!

http://www.secinfo.com/dsvRu.u4Z5.htm

This is from the link above!

the Company paid $40,050,906 of scheduled payments to the shipbuilder for the construction of the Superior Achiever and paid $5,490,346 for equipment relating to the vessel. Total payments made to the shipbuilder were $58,604,452. Three remaining payments of €6,173,500 (or $8,010,116) are now due on December 27, 2007, January 2, 2008 and June 30, 2008. The final payment will be paid with cash secured letter of credit of €6,173,500 (or $8,010,116).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2009, 07:28:56 PM
Can anyone make heads or tails outta this?

http://esignal.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingRTF1?SessionID=ld7xWNCx-E1C5Lh&ID=5582733

SEC report about the loan for the ship Achiever, which I think is the one that they sold to the Dutch company.  Right now the company name is escaping me.  It's been posted a few times.  (mmmmm  London Interbank)

Thanx 2nj!

Here's another.Many probably have already seen it but will throw it out there!

http://www.secinfo.com/dsvRu.u4Z5.htm

Hornbeck Offshore was the company. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 05, 2009, 07:31:49 PM
Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2009, 07:34:00 PM
Superior Offshore International Completes Sale and Charter-Back of the
Superior Achiever With Hornbeck Offshore Services

HOUSTON, Jan. 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Superior Offshore
International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP) today announced that it has completed the
sale and charter-back of the Superior Achiever with Hornbeck Offshore Services
LLC, a wholly owned subsidiary of Hornbeck Offshore Services, Inc. (NYSE: HOS)
("Hornbeck"), on the terms previously disclosed.  The Achiever, which was
successfully launched on January 19, 2008, is a DP-III deepwater construction
and dive support vessel that is under construction and is expected to be
delivered in late 2008.
    The Achiever's sale price was approximately $70 million, which represents
Superior Offshore's investment to date in the vessel.  Superior Offshore will
use (i) $56.2 million of the proceeds to repay its term loan obligation to
Fortis Bank, which includes $55.0 million of principal and $1.2 million of
accrued interest and prepayment fees, (ii) $2.6 million to settle an interest
rate swap related to the term loan, (iii) $0.9 million for charter hire
payments due to Hornbeck for a separate vessel and (iv) $0.5 million for
certain transaction expenses.  The remaining $9.4 million of proceeds will be
used to repay borrowings under Superior Offshore's senior secured credit
facility.  After the application of the proceeds, Superior Offshore will have
no outstanding term debt and approximately $15 million outstanding under its
senior secured credit facility.  The transaction will reduce Superior
Offshore's 2008 capital expenditure requirements by approximately $30 million.
    Superior Offshore will take delivery of the Achiever or another acceptable
vessel under a five-year time charter with Hornbeck.  Superior Offshore will
have the option to terminate the charter with 90 days' advance notice prior to
the end of each six-month period within the term.
    Superior Offshore and Hornbeck are also exploring non-exclusive joint
marketing and cooperation agreements for new business opportunities that would
leverage the complementary resources of the two companies.
    The Superior Achiever will be capable of working in harsh or deepwater
environments.  Superior Offshore expects to deploy the vessel by the end of
this year to international markets and/or deepwater Gulf of Mexico projects.
    About Superior Offshore International, Inc.
    Superior Offshore is a leading provider of subsea construction and
commercial diving services to the offshore oil and gas industry, serving
operators internationally and domestically in the outer continental shelf of
the U.S. Gulf of Mexico. Construction services include installation, upgrading
and decommissioning of pipelines and production infrastructure. Commercial
diving services include inspection, maintenance and repair services and
support services for subsea construction and salvage operations. The company
also operates a construction/fabrication division. Superior Offshore operates
a fleet of nine service vessels and provides remotely operated vehicles (ROVs)
and saturation diving systems for deepwater and harsh environment operations.
    Forward-Looking Statements
    Certain statements contained in this news release are forward-looking
statements. All statements other than statements of historical fact are, or
may be deemed to be, forward-looking statements, including statements
concerning the expected use of proceeds from the transaction, plans to pursue
business opportunities with Hornbeck and expected synergies with Hornbeck's
fleet, expected performance of the Superior Achiever, expected delivery and
deployment of the Superior Achiever, Superior Offshore's strategy and business
plans. Forward-looking statements by their nature involve substantial risks
and uncertainties that could significantly affect expected results, and actual
future results could differ materially from those described in such
statements. Although it is not possible to identify all factors, we continue
to face many risks and uncertainties. Some of the factors that could cause
actual future results to differ materially are described under the caption
"Risk Factors" in our Prospectus, dated April 19, 2007 and filed with the
Securities and Exchange Commission ("SEC") on April 20, 2007, and our other
filings with the SEC, which may be obtained by visiting the Investor Relations
section of our website under "Financial Information" at
http://www.superioroffshore.com or from the SEC's website at
http://www.sec.gov.
     Contacts:
     Superior Offshore International
     Roger Burks, CFO
     roger.burks@superioroffshore.com
     713-910-1875

     DRG&E
     Ken Dennard
     ksdennard@drg-e.com
     713-529-6600

SOURCE  Superior Offshore International, Inc.

Roger Burks, CFO of Superior Offshore International, Inc., +1-713-910-1875,
roger.burks@superioroffshore.com; or Ken Dennard of DRG&E, +1-713-529-6600,
ksdennard@drg-e.com, for Superior Offshore International, Inc.



© Thomson Reuters 2009 All rights reserved

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS260995+22-Jan-2008+PRN20080122






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 05, 2009, 07:34:44 PM
Nice pics Icehawk!  I have that one of Kermit too but I've been skeeeerd to post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I love that pic of Natalee!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2009, 07:40:31 PM
Icehawk,

 ::MonkeyCool:: :thumleft: :thumright: :smt038



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on February 05, 2009, 07:44:55 PM
Nice pics Icehawk!  I have that one of Kermit too but I've been skeeeerd to post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I love that pic of Natalee!   ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 07:45:33 PM
http://www.underwaterexpeditions.com/

Expedition Documentaries?Is that picture familiar. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on February 05, 2009, 07:45:37 PM
Icehawk,

 ::MonkeyCool:: :thumleft: :thumright: :smt038





 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 07:47:16 PM
Nice pics Icehawk!  I have that one of Kermit too but I've been skeeeerd to post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I love that pic of Natalee!   ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyCool::

Slowdown IceHawk.Your up to #53 already! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2009, 07:49:27 PM
Superior sold Achiever and in turn could charter it for it's own use and also work with Nornbeck on projects.  The sale had to be in the works while the search was about to begin or in progress. 

A company I worked for sold it's IT dept to another company.  The IT staff had to take a job with the other company or go elsewhere.  In turn, my company contracted with the other company to have same staff do the same work.  Thus, the only cost incurred is for the contracted price without salaries & benefits. 

It's what they do.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 05, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Hi all

I did a clean sweep of the spare room ... lots of toys/games the grandkids never play with anymore.  Everything was in good condition so ... Hubby took everything to the local Salvation Army thrift store.

Then I worked for three hours today on my paper regarding the Phil McGraw/Kalpoes lawsuit.  I accomplished a lot.  I wish you guys were interested in the topic.  I am a lonley Monkey.

Hey ... I hope you all are having a good day.  I may post a KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS reminder a little later.

Preparing dinner is where it is at right now.  Youngest son and DIL are stopping in on their way home from their respective schools (teachers).  Boneless Teriyaki chicken thighs, stir fried snap peas, rice, salad and bakery buns ... in on the menu.  DIL is bring desert.

Monkeys are all welcome to partake!!

Hey ... Blonde left an update on her Mom's condition in the Lounge.

Hugs!

Later, Janet
4:50 PM PT

+++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
« Reply #906 on: Today at 03:40:44 AM »


Monkeys

Tomorrow ... I will continue with my REMINDERS regarding John Silvetti's betrayal of Natalee Holloway and ... betrayal of her family ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words.

However ... considering the Dr. Phil lawsuit ... I believe that maybe we should all put our Monkey brains together and research what is out there in regards to Deepak and Satish's involvement in the morning of May 30, 2005.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
9:40 PM PT


++++++

THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660090;topicseen#msg660090


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 05, 2009, 07:52:28 PM
Can anyone make heads or tails outta this?

http://esignal.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingRTF1?SessionID=ld7xWNCx-E1C5Lh&ID=5582733

Have you seen this LifeSong,TM??

KTF - I only have a little time right now, but will look at this more later.  I do have this on the timeline I've been putting together for Schaeffer:

11/14/2007-Superior Offshore shares decline again after defendants belatedly revealed that the Company was operating even below its recently revised forecasts, and that its core business was operating even worse than previously disclosed.

Don't have the link handy, but it was at the site Anna posted the link to the other night.

I'll be back later tonight - until then...Take Care Monkeys & God Bless!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 05, 2009, 07:55:20 PM
Hi all

I did a clean sweep of the spare room ... lots of toys/games the grandkids never play with anymore.  Everything was in good condition so ... Hubby took everything to the local Salvation Army thrift store.

Then I worked for three hours today on my paper regarding the Phil McGraw/Kalpoes lawsuit.  I accomplished a lot.  I wish you guys were interested in the topic.  I am a lonley Monkey.

Hey ... I hope you all are having a good day.  I may post a KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS reminder a little later.

Preparing dinner is where it is at right now.  Youngest son and DIL are stopping in on their way home from their respective schools (teachers).  Boneless Teriyaki chicken thighs, stir fried snap peas, rice, salad and bakery buns ... in on the menu.  DIL is bring desert.

Monkeys are all welcome to partake!!

Hey ... Blonde left an update on her Mom's condition in the Lounge.

Hugs!

Later, Janet
4:50 PM PT

+++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
« Reply #906 on: Today at 03:40:44 AM »


Monkeys

Tomorrow ... I will continue with my REMINDERS regarding John Silvetti's betrayal of Natalee Holloway and ... betrayal of her family ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words.

However ... considering the Dr. Phil lawsuit ... I believe that maybe we should all put our Monkey brains together and research what is out there in regards to Deepak and Satish's involvement in the morning of May 30, 2005.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
9:40 PM PT


++++++

THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660090;topicseen#msg660090



I am interested, Janet!  As I said the other day, this lawsuit may be the only catalyst that keeps the files from being destroyed when they close the case.

Will bbl - thank you for working on this.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 05, 2009, 08:07:41 PM
Kermit should wear that outfit all of the time.

I love that picture of Natalee.

Than is a very informative page of Shango that you posted.

Thanks for all, Icehawk.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 05, 2009, 08:10:11 PM
For Icehawk:  (http://bestsmileys.com/tropheys/3.gif)




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/th10-1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 05, 2009, 08:19:58 PM
Hi all

I did a clean sweep of the spare room ... lots of toys/games the grandkids never play with anymore.  Everything was in good condition so ... Hubby took everything to the local Salvation Army thrift store.

Then I worked for three hours today on my paper regarding the Phil McGraw/Kalpoes lawsuit.  I accomplished a lot.  I wish you guys were interested in the topic.  I am a lonley Monkey.

Hey ... I hope you all are having a good day.  I may post a KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS reminder a little later.

Preparing dinner is where it is at right now.  Youngest son and DIL are stopping in on their way home from their respective schools (teachers).  Boneless Teriyaki chicken thighs, stir fried snap peas, rice, salad and bakery buns ... in on the menu.  DIL is bring desert.

Monkeys are all welcome to partake!!

Hey ... Blonde left an update on her Mom's condition in the Lounge.

Hugs!

Later, Janet
4:50 PM PT

+++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
« Reply #906 on: Today at 03:40:44 AM »


Monkeys

Tomorrow ... I will continue with my REMINDERS regarding John Silvetti's betrayal of Natalee Holloway and ... betrayal of her family ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words.

However ... considering the Dr. Phil lawsuit ... I believe that maybe we should all put our Monkey brains together and research what is out there in regards to Deepak and Satish's involvement in the morning of May 30, 2005.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
9:40 PM PT


++++++

THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660090;topicseen#msg660090


Janet, I think you have gone hinky all over.
Of course we are interested in the Kalpoe/McGraw lawsuit.
I can't wait for you to tell all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on February 05, 2009, 08:23:10 PM
Kermit should wear that outfit all of the time.

I love that picture of Natalee.

Than is a very informative page of Shango that you posted.

Thanks for all, Icehawk.  ::MonkeyCool::



You are very welcome. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on February 05, 2009, 08:24:16 PM
For Icehawk:  (http://bestsmileys.com/tropheys/3.gif)




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/th10-1.gif)






Thank you Anna.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 05, 2009, 08:26:43 PM
I keep hoping for a bombshell (I am channeling Nancy Grace there) in the Kalpoe trial, something we have never heard or seen before.  Mostly heard in this instance I suppose.  Some new evidence of some kind that will shed light on their involvement.

At this rate, it may not go to court in my lifetime.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 05, 2009, 08:31:26 PM
I keep hoping for a bombshell (I am channeling Nancy Grace there) in the Kalpoe trial, something we have never heard or seen before.  Mostly heard in this instance I suppose.  Some new evidence of some kind that will shed light on their involvement.

At this rate, it may not go to court in my lifetime.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



In one of the statements was a deposition from Larry Garrison.
He had interviewed Deepak about doing a book.
Garrison swore, under oath, that Deepak had told him that the
Skeeters tape was correct and they all three had sex with Natalee.
I thought that was a bombshell.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 05, 2009, 08:34:16 PM
I keep hoping for a bombshell (I am channeling Nancy Grace there) in the Kalpoe trial, something we have never heard or seen before.  Mostly heard in this instance I suppose.  Some new evidence of some kind that will shed light on their involvement.

At this rate, it may not go to court in my lifetime.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



In one of the statements was a deposition from Larry Garrison.
He had interviewed Deepak about doing a book.
Garrison swore, under oath, that Deepak had told him that the
Skeeters tape was correct and they all three had sex with Natalee.
I thought that was a bombshell.


Well, yes it is.

I don't remember reading or hearing that.
Very interesting for sure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 05, 2009, 09:09:12 PM
Hi all

I did a clean sweep of the spare room ... lots of toys/games the grandkids never play with anymore.  Everything was in good condition so ... Hubby took everything to the local Salvation Army thrift store.

Then I worked for three hours today on my paper regarding the Phil McGraw/Kalpoes lawsuit.  I accomplished a lot.  I wish you guys were interested in the topic.  I am a lonley Monkey.

Hey ... I hope you all are having a good day.  I may post a KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS reminder a little later.

Preparing dinner is where it is at right now.  Youngest son and DIL are stopping in on their way home from their respective schools (teachers).  Boneless Teriyaki chicken thighs, stir fried snap peas, rice, salad and bakery buns ... in on the menu.  DIL is bring desert.

Monkeys are all welcome to partake!!

Hey ... Blonde left an update on her Mom's condition in the Lounge.

Hugs!

Later, Janet
4:50 PM PT

+++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
« Reply #906 on: Today at 03:40:44 AM »


Monkeys

Tomorrow ... I will continue with my REMINDERS regarding John Silvetti's betrayal of Natalee Holloway and ... betrayal of her family ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words.

However ... considering the Dr. Phil lawsuit ... I believe that maybe we should all put our Monkey brains together and research what is out there in regards to Deepak and Satish's involvement in the morning of May 30, 2005.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
9:40 PM PT


++++++

THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660090;topicseen#msg660090

Doing alittle winter cleaning Huh...I've been that also! lol

Janet...I would love to see what You are working on about the Kalpoe/McGraw lawsuit..when You get ready to share I will be here...TIA for The work You are doing!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Guppy on February 05, 2009, 09:29:26 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 05, 2009, 09:31:07 PM
I keep hoping for a bombshell (I am channeling Nancy Grace there) in the Kalpoe trial, something we have never heard or seen before.  Mostly heard in this instance I suppose.  Some new evidence of some kind that will shed light on their involvement.

At this rate, it may not go to court in my lifetime.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



You know what is most disturbing about the Kalpoes is Mos has stated that he may close this case against the ONLY remaining suspect in the case Joran VDS.  What happened to the Kalpoes?  I don't remember hearing at all that the Kalpoes had a clean bill of health in all this.  If so what is the holdup of them turning over ALL their records concerning this case to the courts? OUR courts. Not their courts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 05, 2009, 09:32:39 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 05, 2009, 09:34:22 PM
I certainly haven't lost interest in the Kalpoe lawsuit, but hadn't heard a thing about it.
I lost my hard drive a while back, new one doesn't have links. I cannot get into Blogs for Natalee any more, so I just pop in here for any news if there is any.
Janet, TY for all your hard work on Natalee's case.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 05, 2009, 09:35:31 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Is this a Post and Run?  Did someone from the dark side send you here?  Just asking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2009, 09:37:09 PM
http://www.underwaterexpeditions.com/

Expedition Documentaries?Is that picture familiar. ::MonkeyConfused::

Louis Schaeffer


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 05, 2009, 09:39:29 PM
have we heard the name Bano Lopez before?

the internal leaked VNO report says that he keeps the channels with the Dutch Justice Department open, especially the Dutch Justice Minister and makes sure the Aruban interests get attention.

but this is all party of the Hendrik Croes/Nelson Oduber strategy.
amongst all the 'bad cops', Bano Lopez is the 'good cop' if you know what i mean.
also PG Pietersz and Nelson Oduber play the role of 'good cop'.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/j63d3r.png)
part of internal leaked VNO report


(and DTK is Frans van Deutekom, a public prosecutor at the Aruban OM)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2009, 09:39:53 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Is this a Post and Run?  Did someone from the dark side send you here?  Just asking.

If I had to guess, based upon the previous posts this poster might be related to Hotshot.  Just a guess on my part.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 05, 2009, 09:40:33 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Is this a Post and Run?  Did someone from the dark side send you here?  Just asking.
Possibility Blue Moon...Prior Post from Guppy to *******

  Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #741 3/7 -  on: March 10, 2008, 12:23:29 AM 
Quote from: ******* on March 10, 2008, 12:20:30 AM
Quote from: Guppy on March 10, 2008, 12:18:15 AM
Oops new here, I think I did that wrong. 




  Im guessing that is Sandrak on the right?

Welcome to the cage Guppy! 


Thanks *******.  I have been reading for quite a while, and have been a lurker.  I finally took the dive into posting, wanted to make the first one count.  A family member of mine is here, I thought I'd join her with her efforts to get justice for Natalee.  Hint, hint, I have met you   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 05, 2009, 09:41:30 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Is this a Post and Run?  Did someone from the dark side send you here?  Just asking.

If I had to guess, based upon the previous posts this poster might be related to Hotshot.  Just a guess on my part.

I was thinking Obs.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2009, 09:42:31 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Is this a Post and Run?  Did someone from the dark side send you here?  Just asking.

If I had to guess, based upon the previous posts this poster might be related to Hotshot.  Just a guess on my part.

I was thinking Obs.

I'm 100% sure this poster is related to Hotshot, or so they say. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 05, 2009, 09:42:33 PM
have we heard the name Bano Lopez before?

the internal leaked VNO report says that he keeps the channels with the Dutch Justice Department open, especially the Dutch Justice Minister and makes sure the Aruban interests get attention.

but this is all party of the Hendrik Croes/Nelson Oduber strategy.
amongst all the 'bad cops', Bano Lopez is the 'good cop' if you know what i mean.
also PG Pietersz and Nelson Oduber play the role of 'good cop'.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/j63d3r.png)
part of internal leaked VNO report


(and DTK is Frans van Deutekom, a public prosecutor at the Aruban OM)

Caesu, I don't believe I have ever heard that name before.

And thanks for letting me know who DTK was.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 09:42:45 PM
http://www.underwaterexpeditions.com/

Expedition Documentaries?Is that picture familiar. ::MonkeyConfused::

Louis Schaeffer

The picture of the sunkin ship under the Expedition documentaries.Is that one from Aruba?Didn't know..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 05, 2009, 09:49:48 PM
JOHN HAD A SECOND BUSINESS, GEOLAB LLC WHICH HAD GEOLAB BV (NETHERLANDS) AS A PART OF IT
 
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.



Kyle said: "He {John Silvetti] did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.
June 29th Kyle flew to John Silvetti's house.


In Brazil, the preparations for the IMR contact with Petrobras, commencing in JUNE
(page 1 of 11)
http://www.deepocean.no/index.cfm?id=65087

Remember it was JUNE that those Petrobras talks/meetings were held in ARUBA

31.01 DeepOcean has the intention to enter into a frame agreement for survey services with Statoil ASA in and outside of Norway. The agreement start 15th March 2007 until March 2012 + 2 x 2 years options. Workscope includes seabed mapping, pipeline inspections, trenching support, construction and pipelay support. The intention is for DeepOcean to use "Edda Fauna".
http://www.fearnleyoffshoresupply.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=128


Offshore/Louis Schafer

The Consolidated Amended Complaint seeks compensatory damages, injunctive relief, disgorgement of alleged insider trading proceeds, and other equitable relief. On March 10, 2008, the Court granted defendants’ motion to transfer the action to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
http://tinyurl.com/a9jjwr

What may be a problem for Schaefer in particular is he sold off a lot of shares of his stock AFTER the stock market closed and made a bundle of money.
Similar to what Martha Stewart case was all about. Insider trading, they owned shares in their own company and then made money leaving the stockholders
not knowing anything and prices drop so that the stockholders are left holding stocks that are all but worthless.


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 05, 2009, 09:52:48 PM
 Caps said: "Nelson Oduber, He also has open a bussines, I may recall it was in offshore oil rigging."[/b]


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 05, 2009, 09:54:42 PM
Ok. Here it is. Some protection for Kermit









(http://)


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 09:55:26 PM
JOHN HAD A SECOND BUSINESS, GEOLAB LLC WHICH HAD GEOLAB BV (NETHERLANDS) AS A PART OF IT
 
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.



Kyle said: "He {John Silvetti] did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.
June 29th Kyle flew to John Silvetti's house.


In Brazil, the preparations for the IMR contact with Petrobras, commencing in JUNE
(page 1 of 11)
http://www.deepocean.no/index.cfm?id=65087

Remember it was JUNE that those Petrobras talks/meetings were held in ARUBA

31.01 DeepOcean has the intention to enter into a frame agreement for survey services with Statoil ASA in and outside of Norway. The agreement start 15th March 2007 until March 2012 + 2 x 2 years options. Workscope includes seabed mapping, pipeline inspections, trenching support, construction and pipelay support. The intention is for DeepOcean to use "Edda Fauna".
http://www.fearnleyoffshoresupply.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=128


Offshore/Louis Schafer

The Consolidated Amended Complaint seeks compensatory damages, injunctive relief, disgorgement of alleged insider trading proceeds, and other equitable relief. On March 10, 2008, the Court granted defendants’ motion to transfer the action to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
http://tinyurl.com/a9jjwr

What may be a problem for Schaefer in particular is he sold off a lot of shares of his stock AFTER the stock market closed and made a bundle of money.
Similar to what Martha Stewart case was all about. Insider trading, they owned shares in their own company and then made money leaving the stockholders
not knowing anything and prices drop so that the stockholders are left holding stocks that are all but worthless.


 

Kermit.A page or two back is your new Avitar posted by IceHawk if you already haven't seen it.Your research and organization are good.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 05, 2009, 09:59:34 PM
http://www.underwaterexpeditions.com/

Expedition Documentaries?Is that picture familiar. ::MonkeyConfused::

Louis Schaeffer

The picture of the sunkin ship under the Expedition documentaries.Is that one from Aruba?Didn't know..

I think it is a cartoon or should I say animation.
That is the fishing business that the family had run for
30 years with the Bed and Breakfast with it in Freeport, TX.
Schaeffer bought it and then went bankrupt. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2009, 10:00:36 PM
http://www.underwaterexpeditions.com/

Expedition Documentaries?Is that picture familiar. ::MonkeyConfused::

Louis Schaeffer

The picture of the sunkin ship under the Expedition documentaries.Is that one from Aruba?Didn't know..

It could be any sunken ship.  That's another thing they look for in their business.  imo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 10:03:27 PM
Thanx Magnolia and 2nj.Ya gotta love Silvetti.NOT.Did he sit down and have dinner with Croes,Oduber and Jossy.I mean.Really.This is going to get sicker and sicker.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 05, 2009, 10:11:25 PM
Thanx Magnolia and 2nj.Ya gotta love Silvetti.NOT.Did he sit down and have dinner with Croes,Oduber and Jossy.I mean.Really.This is going to get sicker and sicker.....

I don't know what Jossy's part in this is (may be used by other's) but I want to know WHY his son Eduardo was on that ship the entire time and Jossy was following the pond witnesses.  Which is it, the cage or the pond?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 10:15:29 PM
Thanx Magnolia and 2nj.Ya gotta love Silvetti.NOT.Did he sit down and have dinner with Croes,Oduber and Jossy.I mean.Really.This is going to get sicker and sicker.....

I don't know what Jossy's part in this is (may be used by other's) but I want to know WHY his son Eduardo was on that ship the entire time and Jossy was following the pond witnesses.  Which is it, the cage or the pond?

I'd like to know the same Blue Moon.The Mansur's are everywhere.How can they not know what transpired?I'd like to believe in Jossy but feel that possiblity may not exist for me!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 05, 2009, 10:21:57 PM
Caps said: "Nelson Oduber, He also has open a bussines, I may recall it was in offshore oil rigging."[/b]

I don't like what I am thinking right now.  Bad, Bad thoughts on this. The worst.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 05, 2009, 10:22:44 PM
Hi all

I did a clean sweep of the spare room ... lots of toys/games the grandkids never play with anymore.  Everything was in good condition so ... Hubby took everything to the local Salvation Army thrift store.

Then I worked for three hours today on my paper regarding the Phil McGraw/Kalpoes lawsuit.  I accomplished a lot.  I wish you guys were interested in the topic.  I am a lonley Monkey.

Hey ... I hope you all are having a good day.  I may post a KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS reminder a little later.

Preparing dinner is where it is at right now.  Youngest son and DIL are stopping in on their way home from their respective schools (teachers).  Boneless Teriyaki chicken thighs, stir fried snap peas, rice, salad and bakery buns ... in on the menu.  DIL is bring desert.

Monkeys are all welcome to partake!!

Hey ... Blonde left an update on her Mom's condition in the Lounge.

Hugs!

Later, Janet
4:50 PM PT

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Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
« Reply #906 on: Today at 03:40:44 AM »


Monkeys

Tomorrow ... I will continue with my REMINDERS regarding John Silvetti's betrayal of Natalee Holloway and ... betrayal of her family ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words.

However ... considering the Dr. Phil lawsuit ... I believe that maybe we should all put our Monkey brains together and research what is out there in regards to Deepak and Satish's involvement in the morning of May 30, 2005.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
9:40 PM PT


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THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg660090;topicseen#msg660090

Doing alittle winter cleaning Huh...I've been that also! lol

Janet...I would love to see what You are working on about the Kalpoe/McGraw lawsuit..when You get ready to share I will be here...TIA for The work You are doing!  ::MonkeyCool::

Youngest son and wife just left ... dishes in the diswasher so ... I am again working on this paper.  I do believe I am on a roll.  I had already compiled some info on this topic.  I will not finish tonight but I will post what I have accomplished prior to calling it a night.  Hubby will be leaving for a elders meeting at the church shortly so ... no interruptions.  Alone but ... not lonely.

I am in my glory!

 ::cartwheel::

Later, Janet
7:25 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 05, 2009, 10:23:17 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?

Dirty Hand


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 05, 2009, 10:28:32 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?

Dirty Hand
yeah, but only according to Caps -- take witha grain of salt!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 05, 2009, 10:28:48 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?

Dirty Hand

Zip that lip, San.  It was CapsLockWizzard that said DTK was dirtyhand. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 05, 2009, 10:31:31 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?

Dirty Hand
yeah, but only according to Caps -- take witha grain of salt!

And if he really is the illegitimate brother of Paulus would it really make a difference.  Is it going to put Paulus in jail.  If they didn't arrest Van der Straaten for his crimes are they really going to do anything to this bozo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 05, 2009, 10:33:13 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?

Dirty Hand
yeah, but only according to Caps -- take witha grain of salt!
How long is your eye gonna look like that????   Can you still run the train???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 05, 2009, 10:33:16 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?

Dirty Hand

Zip that lip, San.  It was CapsLockWizzard that said DTK was dirtyhand. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Diversion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 05, 2009, 10:36:10 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?

Dirty Hand
yeah, but only according to Caps -- take witha grain of salt!
How long is your eye gonna look like that????   Can you still run the train???
I need to wear shades!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 05, 2009, 10:37:40 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?

Dirty Hand
yeah, but only according to Caps -- take witha grain of salt!
How long is your eye gonna look like that????   Can you still run the train???
I need to wear shades!  ::MonkeyCool::
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 05, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?

Dirty Hand

Zip that lip, San.  It was CapsLockWizzard that said DTK was dirtyhand. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Diversion.

Yep.  Hotshot's sent in the undelings.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 10:38:00 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?

Dirty Hand
yeah, but only according to Caps -- take witha grain of salt!

Looking at this objectively.How can one have any Faith in CapsLockWizard or The Persistence endeavor...I have a feeling it's gonna get a lot worse..JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 10:41:07 PM
JOHN HAD A SECOND BUSINESS, GEOLAB LLC WHICH HAD GEOLAB BV (NETHERLANDS) AS A PART OF IT
 
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.



Kyle said: "He {John Silvetti] did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.
June 29th Kyle flew to John Silvetti's house.


In Brazil, the preparations for the IMR contact with Petrobras, commencing in JUNE
(page 1 of 11)
http://www.deepocean.no/index.cfm?id=65087

Remember it was JUNE that those Petrobras talks/meetings were held in ARUBA

31.01 DeepOcean has the intention to enter into a frame agreement for survey services with Statoil ASA in and outside of Norway. The agreement start 15th March 2007 until March 2012 + 2 x 2 years options. Workscope includes seabed mapping, pipeline inspections, trenching support, construction and pipelay support. The intention is for DeepOcean to use "Edda Fauna".
http://www.fearnleyoffshoresupply.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=128


Offshore/Louis Schafer

The Consolidated Amended Complaint seeks compensatory damages, injunctive relief, disgorgement of alleged insider trading proceeds, and other equitable relief. On March 10, 2008, the Court granted defendants’ motion to transfer the action to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
http://tinyurl.com/a9jjwr

What may be a problem for Schaefer in particular is he sold off a lot of shares of his stock AFTER the stock market closed and made a bundle of money.
Similar to what Martha Stewart case was all about. Insider trading, they owned shares in their own company and then made money leaving the stockholders
not knowing anything and prices drop so that the stockholders are left holding stocks that are all but worthless.


 

"Beth KNOWS what I have been working on.
And I know exactly what Beth wants.

Everyone who wants to doubt or believe whatever someone else is telling them are free to do so.

Those individuals who want to call me names, be insidious will continue to do so, but it won't stop
the good people from bringing the truth out and expose the Aruba cover-up.
I believe the monkeys stand together!"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 05, 2009, 10:42:43 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?

Dirty Hand

Zip that lip, San.  It was CapsLockWizzard that said DTK was dirtyhand. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Diversion.

Yep.  Hotshot's sent in the undelings.

But, but hotshot said she was finished with us, not coming back. Remember that in musings yesterday?  and the day before, and the day before, and the day before...........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 05, 2009, 10:45:20 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?

Dirty Hand

Zip that lip, San.  It was CapsLockWizzard that said DTK was dirtyhand. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Diversion.

Yep.  Hotshot's sent in the undelings.

But, but hotshot said she was finished with us, not coming back. Remember that in musings yesterday?  and the day before, and the day before, and the day before...........

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 05, 2009, 10:45:30 PM
JOHN HAD A SECOND BUSINESS, GEOLAB LLC WHICH HAD GEOLAB BV (NETHERLANDS) AS A PART OF IT
 
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.



Kyle said: "He {John Silvetti] did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.
June 29th Kyle flew to John Silvetti's house.


In Brazil, the preparations for the IMR contact with Petrobras, commencing in JUNE
(page 1 of 11)
http://www.deepocean.no/index.cfm?id=65087

Remember it was JUNE that those Petrobras talks/meetings were held in ARUBA

31.01 DeepOcean has the intention to enter into a frame agreement for survey services with Statoil ASA in and outside of Norway. The agreement start 15th March 2007 until March 2012 + 2 x 2 years options. Workscope includes seabed mapping, pipeline inspections, trenching support, construction and pipelay support. The intention is for DeepOcean to use "Edda Fauna".
http://www.fearnleyoffshoresupply.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=128


Offshore/Louis Schafer

The Consolidated Amended Complaint seeks compensatory damages, injunctive relief, disgorgement of alleged insider trading proceeds, and other equitable relief. On March 10, 2008, the Court granted defendants’ motion to transfer the action to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
http://tinyurl.com/a9jjwr

What may be a problem for Schaefer in particular is he sold off a lot of shares of his stock AFTER the stock market closed and made a bundle of money.
Similar to what Martha Stewart case was all about. Insider trading, they owned shares in their own company and then made money leaving the stockholders
not knowing anything and prices drop so that the stockholders are left holding stocks that are all but worthless.


 

"Beth KNOWS what I have been working on.
And I know exactly what Beth wants.

Everyone who wants to doubt or believe whatever someone else is telling them are free to do so.

Those individuals who want to call me names, be insidious will continue to do so, but it won't stop
the good people from bringing the truth out and expose the Aruba cover-up.
I believe the monkeys stand together!"
Yep!   ;) :smt004


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 05, 2009, 10:46:27 PM
was just told that DTK is the illegimate brother of Paulus.. anyone else hear that?   ::MonkeyEek::

Who is DTK?

Dirty Hand

Zip that lip, San.  It was CapsLockWizzard that said DTK was dirtyhand. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Diversion.

Yep.  Hotshot's sent in the undelings.

But, but hotshot said she was finished with us, not coming back. Remember that in musings yesterday?  and the day before, and the day before, and the day before...........

Broken record!  Nutty as a fruitcake!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 05, 2009, 11:00:18 PM
good night.  One more day and I can work on my taxes all weekend long. Sigh.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2009, 11:09:22 PM
good night.  One more day and I can work on my taxes all weekend long. Sigh.

Oh joy   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 05, 2009, 11:25:08 PM
good night.  One more day and I can work on my taxes all weekend long. Sigh.

Goodnight BlueMoon!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 06, 2009, 12:03:50 AM
for caesu:

I think Bano Lopez is the full last name of Urbana Lopez, director of the DWJZ (department of legislation and legal matters).  There was a big issue in 2006 because none of the UN recommendations, regarding corruption, could be enforced, because they hadn't gone through the Aruban "legislation" to get enacted.

SM front page post here :

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/10/02/the-netherlands-to-arubas-corruption-rescue-again-they-are-independent-right/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 06, 2009, 01:04:16 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52388.php

Aruba Netherlands accused of espionage
5 Feb, 2009, 15:06 (GMT -04:00)

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A fire-using Minister Rudy Croes with the leaked documents of the Representation of the Netherlands to Aruba.
ORANGE CITY - The leak of a week in which the Dutch representation (VNO) in Aruba report of the events on the island, has led to a major riot in the Kingdom. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber called an 'irreparable damage' that has been in the relationship between the two countries. Justice Minister Rudy Croes Netherlands accused of espionage practices. "VNO better CIA called the Netherlands."

The week number 3, the alternate representative on Aruba, Myriam Jacobs on January 16, inter alia, the Dutch Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin shortly and is also sent to State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten of Kingdom. A Dutch official has all the mail is accidentally sent to an Aruban official, which Croes Minister yesterday in a press conference the contents of the press announcement.

PG is oil man
The report contains incriminating statements Oduber Prime Minister, various ministers and lawyer Hendrik Croes, brother of Minister Croes. The lawyer and former Minister of Justice is the one which VNO with the following players and roll the political game with the Netherlands belongs: "Nel Oduber is moderately cooperative and always apologizes for the behavior of Rudy Croes in the Netherlands. (...) Henry remains at all times in the background, but obviously the architect of the game. However, with Oduber consider the strategy. (...) Rudy (Minister Rudy Croes, ed) ramkoers carry out the role and set the tone in order to focus on the heritage of Betico monitor and thus keep the electorate happy. Wever Minister (of Health, Environmental, Administrative and Immigration, ed) feeds the nationalist feelings of the electorate. "
The sons of Henry and Prime Minister Oduber in the VNO-report. Edward Croes plays a more physical role "by intimidating people with Oduber's son who recently got a gun license despite a negative opinion of the Aruban police.  

The new Attorney General of Aruba is not spared. VNO speaks of "the oil man who publicly seek cooperation, Minister Croes an initiated projectile and meanwhile called the plans of Henry performs."
The MEP, according to the Dutch Representation in Aruba is the next time 'more ramkoers towards the Netherlands, on instructions from Hendrik Croes. "The lawyer would VNO the idea to have swastikas used during the demonstrations against the Round Table Conference in December last year.  
The week is also the future government per person outlined. This with a view to the elections this year. They include that Onderijs MEP Minister Marisol Tromp want discharge, probably through a scandal. " Also, MEP before the elections the plug from its own Government so that the small parties that the biggest threat to the MEP forms are not properly prepare for the elections.  
VNO says information from very reliable source that is known for its good contacts within the government. The results from the conversation with this source, by VNO included in the political analysis leading up to elections.
Minister Croes points accusing fingers to Mito Croes, recently published on the CDA election list for the European Parliament is put, and opposition leaders Mike Eman (AVP) and Rudy Lampe (RED). Premier Oduber has a Dutch liaison on Aruba is based in Venezuela to monitor.


Letter to Balkenende
Minister Rudy Croes has sent a letter to the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende of the week VNO condemned. "The document in what I would like to classify as Shameful." Croes also refers to the call of the Dutch parliament for a parliamentary inquiry into the decisions surrounding the invasion of Iraq, "even if a matter that originated in blatant untruths. "Croes said that the Netherlands criminal perch something about him or his brother is, to the Public Ministry should steps to a charge to do so. "But do not come with this kind of gossip," says Croes that VNO a gossip house calls. He wonders how long this' intelligence 'already underway, as week number 3 suggests that much more should have been. "This has led to something very serious in the Kingdom. I'm curious what they write about Curacao. The First and Second Chamber, the State is to feel the tooth. Everyone is talking about transparency? "

 

Liaison Venezuela
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has also responded in writing to the VNO and Aruban governor. "I regret in good faith against all advice, to have cooperated with the Minister of Defense Henk Kamp to work in Venezuela in Aruba a liaison be placed under the express condition that he will not interfere in local affairs." For Oduber is with the wild stories and lies of VNO again proven that we do not have confidence. "
Shortly after the leak of the mail, the State Secretary Ank Bijlstraat Field and Prime Minister Oduber telephone. The Dutch intelligence service AIVD has bent over the matter. A response from Dutch side and the Representation in Aruba is not yet available.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 06, 2009, 01:44:06 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_y9-1.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 06, 2009, 07:57:48 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Weekdays/thits25255F20friday.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 06, 2009, 08:19:13 AM
Quote
Aruba accuses the Netherlands of spying
5 Feb, 2009, 08:23 (GMT -04:00)
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ORANJESTAD – The leaking out of a weekly report, in which the Dutch representation (VNO) in Aruba made a report of the occurrences on the island, has caused a lot of commotion in the Kingdom.  Premier Nelson Oduber talks about an ‘irreparable damage’ to the relation between both countries.  Justice-minister Rudy Croes accuses the Netherlands of spying. “VNO can better be called the CIA of the Netherlands.”

The weekly report number 3 was mailed on January 15 to among others the Dutch minister of Justice Ernst Hirsch Ballin and to state secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten of Kingdom Relations by the acting Representative in Aruba, Myriam Jacobs.  A Dutch civil servant has probably forwarded the mail to an Aruban civil servant, after which Minister Croes has announced the content of the mail to the media during a press conference.

PG is an oiler
There are damaging statements in the report; about premier Oduber, several ministers and lawyer Hendrik Croes, the brother of Minister Croes.  It is the lawyer and former Justice-minister that according to VNO plays the political game with the Netherlands with the following players and roles: “Nel Oduber posts himself moderately cooperative and constantly apologizes to the Netherlands for Rudy Croes’ behaviour (…).  Hendrik is all the time in the background, but is of course the architect of the game.  Keep in mind;
Together with Oduber, he thinks of the strategy.  (…)Rudy (Minister Rudy Croes, red.) plays the ram course-role and sets the tone to ultimately guard the legacy of Betico and thus keep the electoral status satisfied.   Minister Wever (of Public Health, Environment, Administrative- and Immigration Affairs, red.) feeds the nationalistic feelings of the electoral status.”
Also the sons of Hendrik and premier Oduber are mentioned in the VNO-report.  Together with Oduber’s son, who was recently granted a firearms license, despite negative advice from the Aruban police corps, Edward Croes plays a ‘more physical part’ by intimidating people.

Also the new procurator general of Aruba is not spared.  VNO speaks of ‘the oiler that publicly strives for cooperation, calls minister Croes an undirected projectile and in the meantime implements Hendrik’s plans’.  According to the VNO, the MEP will also ‘be going more on ram-course towards the Netherlands, upon instructions of Hendrik Croes’, who supposedly has also given the ideas to use swastikas during the demonstration against the Round Table Conference in December of last year.
 
‘Get rid of Minister Tromp’
In consideration with the parliament elections this year, the future of each administrator is also sketched in the weekly report.  The report states among others that the MEP ‘wants to get rid of Education-minister Marisol Tromp, probably via a scandal’.  The MEP is also planning to unplug the own government right before the elections, so that the smaller parties that form the biggest threat for the MEP, cannot prepare themselves well for the elections.

VNO says that they got the information from a very reliable source that is popular for his good contacts within the government party.  The VNO includes the results from the conversation with this source in the political analysis as a preamble on the elections.  Minister Croes is accusing Mito Croes, who is recently put on the CDA-candidate list for the European Parliament.  He also accuses opposition leaders Mike Eman (AVP) and Rudy Lampe (RED).


Letter to Balkenende
In a letter to the Dutch Premier Jan Peter Balkenende, Minister Rudy Croes condemnes the annual report of the VNO.  “I want to rubricate the document as shameful, due to its contents.”  Croes moreover refers to the Dutch parliament’s call for a parliamentary inquiry into the decision making around the Iraq’s invasion that is also something that is based on patent lies’.  Croes says that if the Netherlands finds something punishable about him and his brother, they must lodge a complaint with the Public Prosecutor.   
“But don’t come with gossips like this”, says Croes that calls VNO a ‘gossip house’.  He is wondering how long this spying has been going, because a weekly report number 3 suggests that there must have been many before.  “This has led to something very serious within the Kingdom.  I’m curious what they are writing about Curacao.  The Upper and Lower House must cross-examine the state secretary about that.  Isn’t everybody talking about transparency?”

Liaison Venezuela
Premier Nelson Oduber has also sent a written reaction to the VNO and the Aruban governor.  “I regret having cooperated in good faith and against all advices with Defense-minister Henk Kamp to place a liaison in Aruba for the work in Venezuela, under the condition that he will not interfere with local matters.”  With VNO’s ‘wild stories and lies’ it is once again proven that ‘we cannot trust each other’.
State secretary Ank Bijleveld and Premier Oduber had a telephone conversation right before the mail leaked out.  Also the Dutch information service AIVD is studying the case.  A reaction from the Netherlands or from the Representation in Aruba is not on hand yet. 
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52415.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 06, 2009, 08:25:33 AM
Does Rudy Croes strike anybody else as a bit of a Drama Queen?

Not sure what an "oiler" means in this context, either.

So what's up with this?  Are they just using this as an excuse for a final break from Dutch control because they want to do whatever they please with that island?

Sure hope they can pay the bills for a change but that is also troubling when one considers why they might think they could do so.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 08:39:26 AM
Thanks texasmom and caesu!

That the new PG is an oil man, is very, very disturbing to me.

Can anyone remember how long he's been on Aruba?

TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 06, 2009, 08:51:31 AM
Thanks texasmom and caesu!

That the new PG is an oil man, is very, very disturbing to me.

Can anyone remember how long he's been on Aruba?

TIA

he is just over a month PG.
but before that he was caretaker PG for 6 months.

he ordered the Landsrecherche investigation into the initial investigation...

the Dutch AIVD (secret service) is now investigating how this internal report could have leaked to Rudy Croes.
state secretary Bijleveld is saddened that is has leaked and finds it a serious matter.
she started an internal investigation.
she won't talk about the the contents of the internal report because it is secret.

but Rudy Croes has made it public already anyway.

at least one political party is asking the Dutch Justice Minister and Bijleveld question.
this party is a government coalition party (CU), not an opposition party.

http://www.refdag.nl/artikel/1390264/Ministerie+onderzoekt+uitlekken+informatie+Aruba.html
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2024635.ece/_Nederland_doet_niet_aan_spionage_op_Aruba_.html
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20090206_crisis
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1144582.ece/Weer_rel_Aruba_na_lekken_geheim_rapport

funny thing is that this shows the Dutch government agrees with Brinkman.
it only won't say that publically.

the charges the report makes are even more detailed and serious than many things Brinkman said.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Monkey Mia on February 06, 2009, 09:37:43 AM
I had to take some time before I responded to the comments about me.  I am not going to bring all the other posts here.  Quote stacks wear very thin. 

Lifesong and Jen,

Who I am is none of your concern.  You are paranoid.  Stop looking for conspiracy in everything.  We are here to discuss and that means bringing up differing theories to get to the truth.  L. Ron Hubbard saw conspiracy in everything.  Should I assume you are his followers? 

Lifesong,

We are not all in agreement with your theory about the cage pictures.  You brought up the issue.  I responded with a different point of view, and you are too close minded to listen to anything.  I even used your “research” to prove my point that the interior cage picture was photoshopped and you ignored it.  It is a simple fact that the full spectrum of light does not penetrate 90 feet of water.  If you don’t believe me, do some real research and make a dive to 90 feet.  There is no evidence in the picture that a flood light or strobe light was used to illuminate the whole area.  If you watched closely the ROV video that was posted, you would have seen the limited illumination area given by the ROV.  So what does that leave one to assume?  The picture was photoshopped to add the color.  The issue of the ziplock bags is too obvious to me to even debate further with you.  Remember, you brought the subject up.  I wasn’t forcing my point of view on anyone.  I was only responding.  Until Kyle presents unadulterated pictures of evidence being collected and placed in those bags, I will not assume it has anything to with NAH, or that they even existed.  Maybe Kyle did and I missed them.  When you have video from an ROV, why not post the most compelling picture?  As to NAH’s body being in the cage, yes the cage is big enough, but not in the confined area Kyle placed her.  You saw the screenshot of the cage with the divers.  The cage has a 9 grid structure.  For a 7.5 foot cage, that is 2.5 feet per grid.  If she was lying stretched out she would span more than 2 grids.  If at a diagonal, the body would have spanned two grids or more considering the placement of the “skull”.  If curled in the tightest fetal position, the body would not fit the diagonal half.  This theory of body placement only fits if there is not enough current to move anything.  In reality, one would expect to find bones scattered in an even larger area.  If wrapped in a tarp, where is the tarp and why is the “body” covered in sand and the “skull” exposed.  Tarps do not decompose in full sun in 2 ½ years.   Are we dealing with reality or imagination?  I need more facts.  A picture is worth a thousand words.  How about a thousand questions?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: sharon on February 06, 2009, 09:42:42 AM
Thanks texasmom and caesu!

That the new PG is an oil man, is very, very disturbing to me.

Can anyone remember how long he's been on Aruba?

TIA

he is just over a month PG.
but before that he was caretaker PG for 6 months.

he ordered the Landsrecherche investigation into the initial investigation...

the Dutch AIVD (secret service) is now investigating how this internal report could have leaked to Rudy Croes.
state secretary Bijleveld is saddened that is has leaked and finds it a serious matter.
she started an internal investigation.
she won't talk about the the contents of the internal report because it is secret.

but Rudy Croes has made it public already anyway.

at least one political party is asking the Dutch Justice Minister and Bijleveld question.
this party is a government coalition party (CU), not an opposition party.

http://www.refdag.nl/artikel/1390264/Ministerie+onderzoekt+uitlekken+informatie+Aruba.html
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2024635.ece/_Nederland_doet_niet_aan_spionage_op_Aruba_.html
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20090206_crisis
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1144582.ece/Weer_rel_Aruba_na_lekken_geheim_rapport

funny thing is that this shows the Dutch government agrees with Brinkman.
it only won't say that publically.

the charges the report makes are even more detailed and serious than many things Brinkman said.

caesu -- thanks you for bringing these articles over.

It goes a little slow with the translator  ::MonkeyLaugh:: but I don't mind.

Really interesting stuff.

Thanks!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 09:56:57 AM
Monkey Mia,

Huh?

I have not a clue what you are talking about........conspiracy.........paranoid............Um.

I have never posted to or about you, so methinks those accusations you hurled should be directed right back at yourself.

Lifesong read thru your posts and did his/her own research.

I don't need your drama, so wish you would refrain from trying to pull me into it.

If you choose to believe something has been photoshopped - that is certainly your prerogative. That others don't agree with you due to research and/or reasons of their own is also their prerogative.

Have a nice day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 09:57:46 AM
Oh and psssst....... the tarp was recovered by ALE divers approx 10 feet outside the cage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 09:58:58 AM
caesu - thank you for breaking down what these articles say.  Like sharon said - online translators are frustrating to say the least.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blonde on February 06, 2009, 10:05:39 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on Today at 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on Today at 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on Today at 12:48:33 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there.

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


Does Jossy own a bank?






http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2886.0





The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.


The Mansur family made its fortune as cigarette manufacturers and in the import-export business. With a licence of Philip Morris, they were the major suppliers of Marlboro in the Caribbean basin for many years (the licence has been withdrawn). The Mansurs sponsored the best baseball team – Aruba's national sport – the Marlboro Red Tigers as well as the Aruban People's Party (Arubaanse Volkspartij, AVP) of former Prime Minister Henny Eman.[1][2] They owned their own bank, the Interbank, and the biggest hotel and time-sharing complex, La Cabana, and the Royal Cabana casino. And they have a couple of import-export businesses in the Free Trade Zone.[3]

US President Bill Clinton in 1996 publicly identified Aruba "as a major drug-transit country" and noted that "a substantial portion of the free-zone's businesses in Aruba are owned and operated by members of the Mansur family, who have been indicted in the United States on charges of conspiracy to launder trafficking proceeds."[4] In the late 1980s, an investigator for Senator John Kerry's committee investigating the Iran-Contra Affair, interviewing drug traffickers in a West Miami prison kept hearing about the Mansurs. "Who are the Mansurs?" he would ask. Answer: "The big family in Aruba we used for laundering money and moving cocaine."[5]

Philip Morris International broke its contract with the Mansurs at the end of 1998 "for business reasons." A source close to the family said the two sides agreed to a $22 million settlement and that the Mansurs continue to work with Philip Morris' non-tobacco product lines.[6]




http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:UOPlZ_CZNfAJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur+The+Interbank+is+owned+by+the+Mansur+Family&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=opera


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 11:25:56 AM
Monkey Mia

When it comes to the issue of the contents of the cage/trap ... this detective wannabe does not have to research ... does not have to speculate ... does not have to theorize.  Kyle Kingman's own words implies a conspiracy ... a conspiracty that indicates that John Silvetti's self-serving interests took priority over justice for Natalee Holloway ... took priority over closure for her family.

I too have difficulty determining from the ROV images what the contents of the cage are but when I consider Kyle Kingsman's own words I am convinced that Natalee Holloway's remain could have been in that trap/cage.

I am not an expertise in the field of analyzing ROV images.  However ... Kyle Kingman's qualifications are very impressive.  I image that is the reason John Silvetti took him on in the Egypt endeavor last summer.

Also ... logic dictates that Tim Trahan, Louis Shaefer, and Kyle Kingman were not attempting to make a deal with major networks if there was "nothing" case related placed in that trap/cage.

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:   John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:   He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle: Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word.

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days. (05/08/08)

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. (06/10/08)

+++++++++

Kyle:  I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle: On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Professional Qualifications

 
Kyle Kingman
Senior Geophysical Project Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Greater New York City Area

 
Current
Senior Geophysical Operations Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
 
Past
Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
 
Education
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick

Industry
Oil & Energy
_______
 
Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

 
Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 06, 2009, 11:36:45 AM
Quote
Remembering Natalee Holloway

Mother of missing student carries message of personal safety to students in Memphis.
(http://www.memphisflyer.com/binary/d47d/Holloway1.jpg)
By MICHAEL FINGER
On Thursday evening, more than 300 people filled the gymnasium at Rossville Christian Academy to hear Beth Holloway talk about her daughter, Natalee, who vanished on the night of May 30, 2005, during a school outing to the Caribbean island of Aruba.

The 18-year-old girl's disappearance sparked a media frenzy, and Beth Holloway began her talk by showing video clips of Barbara Walters, Geraldo Rivera, Bill O'Reilly, Nancy Grace, and even Dr. Phil. Walters began her news segment in typically dramatic fashion, calling the case "every parent's worse nightmare: A daughter goes away on holiday and never returns."

And this is essentially what happened to Natalee Holloway. Surrounded by ads for Collierville Screen Print, the Bank of Fayette County, Wilson Furniture, and Zellner Equipment, and facing a banner painted, "Go Lady Wolves!", Holloway began her talk in the school gymnasium by bluntly stating what she believed happened to her daughter in Aruba three years ago: "Natalee was kidnapped, raped, and killed. She went there to have fun, but she ran into others who had a different agenda."

According to police investigations, Natalie was last seen in the company of three young men on the evening of May 30th. More than 100 members of her school group were supposed to return to her hometown of Mountain Brook, Alabama, the following morning, but the young woman didn't show up. That morning, says Holloway, "I got the call every parent would dread -- one that would change my life forever."

She and her husband immediately flew to Aruba, and a quick glance at her daughter's hotel room, showing her clothes neatly packed and her passport on the bed, told her, "It was more than just intuition. I was certain that something was terribly wrong."

One problem was that the chief suspect, 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, was the son of a prominent judge on the island. According to Holloway, he told "more than a dozen" different accounts of what he did with the missing girl that evening, though insisting that he later dropped her off at her hotel and never saw her again.

The police claimed they didn't have enough evidence to arrest the young man, or two others also seen with Natalee that evening, "so we were left to search on our own," Holloway said, by putting up "KIDNAPPED" posters with her daughter's picture, and pleading for tips and information. "It was such a paradox," she said, "to see such natural beauty [on the island] and yet experience such horror at the same time."

She and her family investigated every tip they could, including bizarre tales that Natalee had been kidnapped and sold into prostitution or was being held prisoner in one of the many island crack-houses that the police pretended didn't exist. "The hidden underbelly of the island had been exposed," she said, "and it wasn't pretty."

After four days without sleeping, eating, or even bathing, Holloway told the Rossville audience that she finally asked a cab driver to take her to a chapel.

"I had descended to the lowest place a human spirit could fall, but I knew Natalee wouldn't want me to give up," she said. "My faith in God was my only hope, and I needed to pray harder -- to get someplace where God could hear me."

She was taken to a beach on the island where someone had erected a row of crosses, and it was here, she said, "that a complete peace blanketed me. I know Natalee is with God. He wrapped his loving arms around her and helped her get through whatever ordeal she went through that night."

Holloway said she believes she knows what happened. She said that Joran van der Sloot finally confessed to killing her daughter: "He gave her a shot of rum, and that produced a seizure. He then got friends to help him dump her body in the sea. We'll never know if she was alive or not when that happened."

The case, however, is still considered unsolved because -- confession or not -- she said the Aruban police don't want to pursue it.

"There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee," said her mother, "because they just don't do things [in other countries] the way we do here."

So now Holloway is speaking to groups like those who gathered at Rossville Christian Academy.

"The best way to honor Natalee," she explained, "is by talking with students about personal safety. It's not a safe world -- not on Internet chat rooms, and not on island vacations. So don't get yourself into situations where you can't defend yourself."

Holloway recently founded an organization called TravelEd, to teach personal safety to students and young men and women who travel abroad. That effort has taken her to school campuses in 23 states. She offered many tips, from being aware of your surroundings to forming a "safety circle" with friends, and noted, "You can never feel too confident or too safe. My daughter let her guard down for just a moment, and in that moment she vanished."

Holloway concluded her hour-long talk with a video tribute to her daughter, then sat at a table in the gym and autographed more than 100 copies of her book, Loving Natalee. Everyone in the audience also picked up commemorative bookmarks and bracelets woven by Natalee's friends, the colored strands representing "faith, hope, and love."

"People often ask what keeps me going," Holloway said. "The human spirit can withstand a lot -- more than I ever thought possible. And I talked to Natalee and I pledged never to give up. Never."

--Michael Finger
Date created: 02/ 6/2009
 

http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=oid%3A55427


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 11:39:33 AM
I apologize for not posting what I have accomplished so far in my research regarding what is out there that relates to Deepak and Satish's participation in regards to the happenings on the morning of May 30, 2005.  It boggles my mind that that Kalpoes believe that Phil McGraw defamed them on on his show when you consider that the "powers that be" in the investigation did an excellent job of defaming both of them prior to the exposure of the Skeeters' recorded interview.

Anyways ... I still have a few more hours work to do on this paper and ... then I will be reformatting so consistency throughout is where it is at.

Life beckons outside the computer room this morning but ... this afternoon I am on a mission.

 ::cartwheel::

Have a good day Monkeys.

Later, Janet
8:35 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 11:41:29 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_y9-1.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!

What an absolute sweetheart!!!

Thanks texasmom.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on February 06, 2009, 11:44:55 AM
Quote
Remembering Natalee Holloway

Mother of missing student carries message of personal safety to students in Memphis.
(http://www.memphisflyer.com/binary/d47d/Holloway1.jpg)
By MICHAEL FINGER
On Thursday evening, more than 300 people filled the gymnasium at Rossville Christian Academy to hear Beth Holloway talk about her daughter, Natalee, who vanished on the night of May 30, 2005, during a school outing to the Caribbean island of Aruba.

The 18-year-old girl's disappearance sparked a media frenzy, and Beth Holloway began her talk by showing video clips of Barbara Walters, Geraldo Rivera, Bill O'Reilly, Nancy Grace, and even Dr. Phil. Walters began her news segment in typically dramatic fashion, calling the case "every parent's worse nightmare: A daughter goes away on holiday and never returns."

And this is essentially what happened to Natalee Holloway. Surrounded by ads for Collierville Screen Print, the Bank of Fayette County, Wilson Furniture, and Zellner Equipment, and facing a banner painted, "Go Lady Wolves!", Holloway began her talk in the school gymnasium by bluntly stating what she believed happened to her daughter in Aruba three years ago: "Natalee was kidnapped, raped, and killed. She went there to have fun, but she ran into others who had a different agenda."

According to police investigations, Natalie was last seen in the company of three young men on the evening of May 30th. More than 100 members of her school group were supposed to return to her hometown of Mountain Brook, Alabama, the following morning, but the young woman didn't show up. That morning, says Holloway, "I got the call every parent would dread -- one that would change my life forever."

She and her husband immediately flew to Aruba, and a quick glance at her daughter's hotel room, showing her clothes neatly packed and her passport on the bed, told her, "It was more than just intuition. I was certain that something was terribly wrong."

One problem was that the chief suspect, 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, was the son of a prominent judge on the island. According to Holloway, he told "more than a dozen" different accounts of what he did with the missing girl that evening, though insisting that he later dropped her off at her hotel and never saw her again.

The police claimed they didn't have enough evidence to arrest the young man, or two others also seen with Natalee that evening, "so we were left to search on our own," Holloway said, by putting up "KIDNAPPED" posters with her daughter's picture, and pleading for tips and information. "It was such a paradox," she said, "to see such natural beauty [on the island] and yet experience such horror at the same time."

She and her family investigated every tip they could, including bizarre tales that Natalee had been kidnapped and sold into prostitution or was being held prisoner in one of the many island crack-houses that the police pretended didn't exist. "The hidden underbelly of the island had been exposed," she said, "and it wasn't pretty."

After four days without sleeping, eating, or even bathing, Holloway told the Rossville audience that she finally asked a cab driver to take her to a chapel.

"I had descended to the lowest place a human spirit could fall, but I knew Natalee wouldn't want me to give up," she said. "My faith in God was my only hope, and I needed to pray harder -- to get someplace where God could hear me."

She was taken to a beach on the island where someone had erected a row of crosses, and it was here, she said, "that a complete peace blanketed me. I know Natalee is with God. He wrapped his loving arms around her and helped her get through whatever ordeal she went through that night."

Holloway said she believes she knows what happened. She said that Joran van der Sloot finally confessed to killing her daughter: "He gave her a shot of rum, and that produced a seizure. He then got friends to help him dump her body in the sea. We'll never know if she was alive or not when that happened."

The case, however, is still considered unsolved because -- confession or not -- she said the Aruban police don't want to pursue it.

"There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee," said her mother, "because they just don't do things [in other countries] the way we do here."

So now Holloway is speaking to groups like those who gathered at Rossville Christian Academy.

"The best way to honor Natalee," she explained, "is by talking with students about personal safety. It's not a safe world -- not on Internet chat rooms, and not on island vacations. So don't get yourself into situations where you can't defend yourself."

Holloway recently founded an organization called TravelEd, to teach personal safety to students and young men and women who travel abroad. That effort has taken her to school campuses in 23 states. She offered many tips, from being aware of your surroundings to forming a "safety circle" with friends, and noted, "You can never feel too confident or too safe. My daughter let her guard down for just a moment, and in that moment she vanished."

Holloway concluded her hour-long talk with a video tribute to her daughter, then sat at a table in the gym and autographed more than 100 copies of her book, Loving Natalee. Everyone in the audience also picked up commemorative bookmarks and bracelets woven by Natalee's friends, the colored strands representing "faith, hope, and love."

"People often ask what keeps me going," Holloway said. "The human spirit can withstand a lot -- more than I ever thought possible. And I talked to Natalee and I pledged never to give up. Never."

--Michael Finger
Date created: 02/ 6/2009
 

http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=oid%3A55427



Thank you Caesu.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 11:51:09 AM
Think about it.  Tim Trahan (diver) observed the contents of the cage/trap.  He dove with the Aruban divers on December 30, 2005.  Trahan may have said "NOTHING" but his connection with Kyle Kingsman (ROV image analyzer) and Louis Schaeffer (ROV image copyright) in regards to major network deals ... implies there was "SOMETHING".

Tim Trahan, Kyle Kingman and John Silvetti need to be questioned by the FBI in regards to the happenings encompassing the trap/cage.  Justice for an American citizen demands it!

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle: On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 11:57:19 AM
JOHN HAD A SECOND BUSINESS, GEOLAB LLC WHICH HAD GEOLAB BV (NETHERLANDS) AS A PART OF IT
 
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.



Kyle said: "He {John Silvetti] did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.
June 29th Kyle flew to John Silvetti's house.


In Brazil, the preparations for the IMR contact with Petrobras, commencing in JUNE
(page 1 of 11)
http://www.deepocean.no/index.cfm?id=65087

Remember it was JUNE that those Petrobras talks/meetings were held in ARUBA

31.01 DeepOcean has the intention to enter into a frame agreement for survey services with Statoil ASA in and outside of Norway. The agreement start 15th March 2007 until March 2012 + 2 x 2 years options. Workscope includes seabed mapping, pipeline inspections, trenching support, construction and pipelay support. The intention is for DeepOcean to use "Edda Fauna".
http://www.fearnleyoffshoresupply.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=128


Offshore/Louis Schafer

The Consolidated Amended Complaint seeks compensatory damages, injunctive relief, disgorgement of alleged insider trading proceeds, and other equitable relief. On March 10, 2008, the Court granted defendants’ motion to transfer the action to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
http://tinyurl.com/a9jjwr

What may be a problem for Schaefer in particular is he sold off a lot of shares of his stock AFTER the stock market closed and made a bundle of money.
Similar to what Martha Stewart case was all about. Insider trading, they owned shares in their own company and then made money leaving the stockholders
not knowing anything and prices drop so that the stockholders are left holding stocks that are all but worthless.

 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::  No Chit! I saw this last night and decided to come in today and look at ALL the companies filings, edgar or otherwise on my Bloomberg.....this POS sold 1.5mm shares at the IPO for total proceeds of $22.5mm and later another 3,025m shares 10 days later for total proceeds of over $45mm....totaled $67.5mm when essentailly they knew the shares were worthless.......POS ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 06, 2009, 12:02:20 PM
http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=oid%3A55427

(http://www.memphisflyer.com/binary/d47d/Holloway1.jpg)

Remembering Natalee Holloway
Mother of missing student carries message of personal safety to students in Memphis
.
By MICHAEL FINGER

On Thursday evening, more than 300 people filled the gymnasium at Rossville Christian Academy to hear Beth Holloway talk about her daughter, Natalee, who vanished on the night of May 30, 2005, during a school outing to the Caribbean island of Aruba.

The 18-year-old girl's disappearance sparked a media frenzy, and Beth Holloway began her talk by showing video clips of Barbara Walters, Geraldo Rivera, Bill O'Reilly, Nancy Grace, and even Dr. Phil. Walters began her news segment in typically dramatic fashion, calling the case "every parent's worse nightmare: A daughter goes away on holiday and never returns."

And this is essentially what happened to Natalee Holloway. Surrounded by ads for Collierville Screen Print, the Bank of Fayette County, Wilson Furniture, and Zellner Equipment, and facing a banner painted, "Go Lady Wolves!", Holloway began her talk in the school gymnasium by bluntly stating what she believed happened to her daughter in Aruba three years ago: "Natalee was kidnapped, raped, and killed. She went there to have fun, but she ran into others who had a different agenda."

According to police investigations, Natalie was last seen in the company of three young men on the evening of May 30th. More than 100 members of her school group were supposed to return to her hometown of Mountain Brook, Alabama, the following morning, but the young woman didn't show up. That morning, says Holloway, "I got the call every parent would dread -- one that would change my life forever."

She and her husband immediately flew to Aruba, and a quick glance at her daughter's hotel room, showing her clothes neatly packed and her passport on the bed, told her, "It was more than just intuition. I was certain that something was terribly wrong."

One problem was that the chief suspect, 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, was the son of a prominent judge on the island. According to Holloway, he told "more than a dozen" different accounts of what he did with the missing girl that evening, though insisting that he later dropped her off at her hotel and never saw her again.

The police claimed they didn't have enough evidence to arrest the young man, or two others also seen with Natalee that evening, "so we were left to search on our own," Holloway said, by putting up "KIDNAPPED" posters with her daughter's picture, and pleading for tips and information. "It was such a paradox," she said, "to see such natural beauty [on the island] and yet experience such horror at the same time."

She and her family investigated every tip they could, including bizarre tales that Natalee had been kidnapped and sold into prostitution or was being held prisoner in one of the many island crack-houses that the police pretended didn't exist. "The hidden underbelly of the island had been exposed," she said, "and it wasn't pretty."

After four days without sleeping, eating, or even bathing, Holloway told the Rossville audience that she finally asked a cab driver to take her to a chapel.

"I had descended to the lowest place a human spirit could fall, but I knew Natalee wouldn't want me to give up," she said. "My faith in God was my only hope, and I needed to pray harder -- to get someplace where God could hear me."

She was taken to a beach on the island where someone had erected a row of crosses, and it was here, she said, "that a complete peace blanketed me. I know Natalee is with God. He wrapped his loving arms around her and helped her get through whatever ordeal she went through that night."

Holloway said she believes she knows what happened. She said that Joran van der Sloot finally confessed to killing her daughter: "He gave her a shot of rum, and that produced a seizure. He then got friends to help him dump her body in the sea. We'll never know if she was alive or not when that happened."

The case, however, is still considered unsolved because -- confession or not -- she said the Aruban police don't want to pursue it.

"There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee," said her mother, "because they just don't do things [in other countries] the way we do here."

So now Holloway is speaking to groups like those who gathered at Rossville Christian Academy.

"The best way to honor Natalee," she explained, "is by talking with students about personal safety. It's not a safe world -- not on Internet chat rooms, and not on island vacations. So don't get yourself into situations where you can't defend yourself."

Holloway recently founded an organization called TravelEd, to teach personal safety to students and young men and women who travel abroad. That effort has taken her to school campuses in 23 states. She offered many tips, from being aware of your surroundings to forming a "safety circle" with friends, and noted, "You can never feel too confident or too safe. My daughter let her guard down for just a moment, and in that moment she vanished."

Holloway concluded her hour-long talk with a video tribute to her daughter, then sat at a table in the gym and autographed more than 100 copies of her book, Loving Natalee. Everyone in the audience also picked up commemorative bookmarks and bracelets woven by Natalee's friends, the colored strands representing "faith, hope, and love."

"People often ask what keeps me going," Holloway said. "The human spirit can withstand a lot -- more than I ever thought possible. And I talked to Natalee and I pledged never to give up. Never."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 12:20:41 PM
JOHN HAD A SECOND BUSINESS, GEOLAB LLC WHICH HAD GEOLAB BV (NETHERLANDS) AS A PART OF IT
 
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.



Kyle said: "He {John Silvetti] did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.
June 29th Kyle flew to John Silvetti's house.


In Brazil, the preparations for the IMR contact with Petrobras, commencing in JUNE
(page 1 of 11)
http://www.deepocean.no/index.cfm?id=65087

Remember it was JUNE that those Petrobras talks/meetings were held in ARUBA

31.01 DeepOcean has the intention to enter into a frame agreement for survey services with Statoil ASA in and outside of Norway. The agreement start 15th March 2007 until March 2012 + 2 x 2 years options. Workscope includes seabed mapping, pipeline inspections, trenching support, construction and pipelay support. The intention is for DeepOcean to use "Edda Fauna".
http://www.fearnleyoffshoresupply.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=128


Offshore/Louis Schafer

The Consolidated Amended Complaint seeks compensatory damages, injunctive relief, disgorgement of alleged insider trading proceeds, and other equitable relief. On March 10, 2008, the Court granted defendants’ motion to transfer the action to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
http://tinyurl.com/a9jjwr

What may be a problem for Schaefer in particular is he sold off a lot of shares of his stock AFTER the stock market closed and made a bundle of money.
Similar to what Martha Stewart case was all about. Insider trading, they owned shares in their own company and then made money leaving the stockholders
not knowing anything and prices drop so that the stockholders are left holding stocks that are all but worthless.

 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::  No Chit! I saw this last night and decided to come in today and look at ALL the companies filings, edgar or otherwise on my Bloomberg.....this POS sold 1.5mm shares at the IPO for total proceeds of $22.5mm and later another 3,025m shares 10 days later for total proceeds of over $45mm....totaled $67.5mm when essentailly they knew the shares were worthless.......POS ::MonkeyNoNo::

Me personally.Do i believe Silvetti or schaeffer had Natalee's,and or her families best interests at heart?After reading what i've read i believe this trip was STRICTLY BUSINESS!By allowing the ALE to retrieve the contents of the cage.Silvetti's coffin is shut as far as i'm concerned!This is just my opinion.Schaeffer,Kingsman and Trahan attempting to sell footage of the cage/trap before it was given to the FBI,and or the family nails their coffin shut!PERIOD.This is just my opinion!

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on February 06, 2009, 12:22:08 PM
Hello!

This is just an FYI in case you missed the travel show threads.

Peaceful protests in support of Natalee are still going on. A successful protest was just held in St. Louis and there is an upcoming event in LA that is sure to be a success!

Here is the date information:
NY at the Jacob Javits Center 2/6-2/8
LA Convention Center 2/14-2/15
Boston  2/20-2/22

More volunteers are needed, especially for Boston, which is a very major show for Aruba and the perfect place to stand up for Natalee Holloway's justice.

All materials (flyers, etc.) are provided.

You will find it to be a joy and honor to stand up  for Natalee!


For more info, contact justicefornatalee@gmail.com ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 12:23:22 PM
Monkey Mia

When it comes to the issue of the contents of the cage/trap ... this detective wannabe does not have to research ... does not have to speculate ... does not have to theorize.  Kyle Kingman's own words implies a conspiracy ... a conspiracty that indicates that John Silvetti's self-serving interests took priority over justice for Natalee Holloway ... took priority over closure for her family.

I too have difficulty determining from the ROV images what the contents of the cage are but when I consider Kyle Kingsman's own words I am convinced that Natalee Holloway's remain could have been in that trap/cage.

I am not an expertise in the field of analyzing ROV images.  However ... Kyle Kingman's qualifications are very impressive.  I image that is the reason John Silvetti took him on in the Egypt endeavor last summer.

Also ... logic dictates that Tim Trahan, Louis Shaefer, and Kyle Kingman were not attempting to make a deal with major networks if there was "nothing" case related placed in that trap/cage.

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:   John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:   He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle: Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word.

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days. (05/08/08)

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. (06/10/08)

+++++++++

Kyle:  I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle: On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Professional Qualifications

 
Kyle Kingman
Senior Geophysical Project Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Greater New York City Area

 
Current
Senior Geophysical Operations Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
 
Past
Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
 
Education
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick

Industry
Oil & Energy
_______
 
Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

 
Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464


Who believe's the ALE dove on that cage on Jan 7th for Sh_t's and giggle's? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Not me....... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 12:33:52 PM
JOHN HAD A SECOND BUSINESS, GEOLAB LLC WHICH HAD GEOLAB BV (NETHERLANDS) AS A PART OF IT
 
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.



Kyle said: "He {John Silvetti] did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.
June 29th Kyle flew to John Silvetti's house.


In Brazil, the preparations for the IMR contact with Petrobras, commencing in JUNE
(page 1 of 11)
http://www.deepocean.no/index.cfm?id=65087

Remember it was JUNE that those Petrobras talks/meetings were held in ARUBA

31.01 DeepOcean has the intention to enter into a frame agreement for survey services with Statoil ASA in and outside of Norway. The agreement start 15th March 2007 until March 2012 + 2 x 2 years options. Workscope includes seabed mapping, pipeline inspections, trenching support, construction and pipelay support. The intention is for DeepOcean to use "Edda Fauna".
http://www.fearnleyoffshoresupply.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=128


Offshore/Louis Schafer

The Consolidated Amended Complaint seeks compensatory damages, injunctive relief, disgorgement of alleged insider trading proceeds, and other equitable relief. On March 10, 2008, the Court granted defendants’ motion to transfer the action to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
http://tinyurl.com/a9jjwr

What may be a problem for Schaefer in particular is he sold off a lot of shares of his stock AFTER the stock market closed and made a bundle of money.
Similar to what Martha Stewart case was all about. Insider trading, they owned shares in their own company and then made money leaving the stockholders
not knowing anything and prices drop so that the stockholders are left holding stocks that are all but worthless.

 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::  No Chit! I saw this last night and decided to come in today and look at ALL the companies filings, edgar or otherwise on my Bloomberg.....this POS sold 1.5mm shares at the IPO for total proceeds of $22.5mm and later another 3,025m shares 10 days later for total proceeds of over $45mm....totaled $67.5mm when essentailly they knew the shares were worthless.......POS ::MonkeyNoNo::

Me personally.Do i believe Silvetti or schaeffer had Natalee's,and or her families best interests at heart?After reading what i've read i believe this trip was STRICTLY BUSINESS!By allowing the ALE to retrieve the contents of the cage.Silvetti's coffin is shut as far as i'm concerned!This is just my opinion.Schaeffer,Kingsman and Trahan attempting to sell footage of the cage/trap before it was given to the FBI,and or the family nails their coffin shut!PERIOD.This is just my opinion!

KEEPTHEFAITH

I agree, I mostly read here and don't post, but since I work in the financial industry I have access to anything and everything on publicly traded companies......so, when I saw the Schaefer info and looked into it I WAS PIZZED and shocked ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 12:39:59 PM
JOHN HAD A SECOND BUSINESS, GEOLAB LLC WHICH HAD GEOLAB BV (NETHERLANDS) AS A PART OF IT
 
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.



Kyle said: "He {John Silvetti] did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.
June 29th Kyle flew to John Silvetti's house.


In Brazil, the preparations for the IMR contact with Petrobras, commencing in JUNE
(page 1 of 11)
http://www.deepocean.no/index.cfm?id=65087

Remember it was JUNE that those Petrobras talks/meetings were held in ARUBA

31.01 DeepOcean has the intention to enter into a frame agreement for survey services with Statoil ASA in and outside of Norway. The agreement start 15th March 2007 until March 2012 + 2 x 2 years options. Workscope includes seabed mapping, pipeline inspections, trenching support, construction and pipelay support. The intention is for DeepOcean to use "Edda Fauna".
http://www.fearnleyoffshoresupply.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=128


Offshore/Louis Schafer

The Consolidated Amended Complaint seeks compensatory damages, injunctive relief, disgorgement of alleged insider trading proceeds, and other equitable relief. On March 10, 2008, the Court granted defendants’ motion to transfer the action to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
http://tinyurl.com/a9jjwr

What may be a problem for Schaefer in particular is he sold off a lot of shares of his stock AFTER the stock market closed and made a bundle of money.
Similar to what Martha Stewart case was all about. Insider trading, they owned shares in their own company and then made money leaving the stockholders
not knowing anything and prices drop so that the stockholders are left holding stocks that are all but worthless.

 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::  No Chit! I saw this last night and decided to come in today and look at ALL the companies filings, edgar or otherwise on my Bloomberg.....this POS sold 1.5mm shares at the IPO for total proceeds of $22.5mm and later another 3,025m shares 10 days later for total proceeds of over $45mm....totaled $67.5mm when essentailly they knew the shares were worthless.......POS ::MonkeyNoNo::

Me personally.Do i believe Silvetti or schaeffer had Natalee's,and or her families best interests at heart?After reading what i've read i believe this trip was STRICTLY BUSINESS!By allowing the ALE to retrieve the contents of the cage.Silvetti's coffin is shut as far as i'm concerned!This is just my opinion.Schaeffer,Kingsman and Trahan attempting to sell footage of the cage/trap before it was given to the FBI,and or the family nails their coffin shut!PERIOD.This is just my opinion!

KEEPTHEFAITH

I agree, I mostly read here and don't post, but since I work in the financial industry I have access to anything and everything on publicly traded companies......so, when I saw the Schaefer info and looked into it I WAS PIZZED and shocked ::MonkeyShocked::

Well hopefully the SEC,as well as the IRS will take notice.It is Tax Time! ::MonkeyHaHa:: If you have an easier understanding of following the money please feel free to enlighten!His new company in Freeport,Tx is just getting of the ground and taking reservations for charter fishing,as well as other things!TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 12:46:27 PM
JOHN HAD A SECOND BUSINESS, GEOLAB LLC WHICH HAD GEOLAB BV (NETHERLANDS) AS A PART OF IT
 
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.



Kyle said: "He {John Silvetti] did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.
June 29th Kyle flew to John Silvetti's house.


In Brazil, the preparations for the IMR contact with Petrobras, commencing in JUNE
(page 1 of 11)
http://www.deepocean.no/index.cfm?id=65087

Remember it was JUNE that those Petrobras talks/meetings were held in ARUBA

31.01 DeepOcean has the intention to enter into a frame agreement for survey services with Statoil ASA in and outside of Norway. The agreement start 15th March 2007 until March 2012 + 2 x 2 years options. Workscope includes seabed mapping, pipeline inspections, trenching support, construction and pipelay support. The intention is for DeepOcean to use "Edda Fauna".
http://www.fearnleyoffshoresupply.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=128


Offshore/Louis Schafer

The Consolidated Amended Complaint seeks compensatory damages, injunctive relief, disgorgement of alleged insider trading proceeds, and other equitable relief. On March 10, 2008, the Court granted defendants’ motion to transfer the action to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
http://tinyurl.com/a9jjwr

What may be a problem for Schaefer in particular is he sold off a lot of shares of his stock AFTER the stock market closed and made a bundle of money.
Similar to what Martha Stewart case was all about. Insider trading, they owned shares in their own company and then made money leaving the stockholders
not knowing anything and prices drop so that the stockholders are left holding stocks that are all but worthless.

 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::  No Chit! I saw this last night and decided to come in today and look at ALL the companies filings, edgar or otherwise on my Bloomberg.....this POS sold 1.5mm shares at the IPO for total proceeds of $22.5mm and later another 3,025m shares 10 days later for total proceeds of over $45mm....totaled $67.5mm when essentailly they knew the shares were worthless.......POS ::MonkeyNoNo::

Me personally.Do i believe Silvetti or schaeffer had Natalee's,and or her families best interests at heart?After reading what i've read i believe this trip was STRICTLY BUSINESS!By allowing the ALE to retrieve the contents of the cage.Silvetti's coffin is shut as far as i'm concerned!This is just my opinion.Schaeffer,Kingsman and Trahan attempting to sell footage of the cage/trap before it was given to the FBI,and or the family nails their coffin shut!PERIOD.This is just my opinion!

KEEPTHEFAITH

I agree, I mostly read here and don't post, but since I work in the financial industry I have access to anything and everything on publicly traded companies......so, when I saw the Schaefer info and looked into it I WAS PIZZED and shocked ::MonkeyShocked::

Well hopefully the SEC,as well as the IRS will take notice.It is Tax Time! ::MonkeyHaHa:: If you have an easier understanding of following the money please feel free to enlighten!His new company in Freeport,Tx is just getting of the ground and taking reservations for charter fishing,as well as other things!TIA
[/quote

Well, actually there is a class action lawsuit already regarding this insider trading debacle, so certainly the SEC should be watching closely and the company was delisted from the NASDAQ exchange. I can follow a money trail better if it's listed, either OTC or on an exchange. All publicly traded companies have to file a tremendous amount of paperwork and it's available on the Bloomberg as is every news item of ANY interest pertaining to the company. If the new one in Freepport is publicly traded, all I need is the name or symbol and I can get any info you need.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 12:49:08 PM
JOHN HAD A SECOND BUSINESS, GEOLAB LLC WHICH HAD GEOLAB BV (NETHERLANDS) AS A PART OF IT
 
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.



Kyle said: "He {John Silvetti] did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.
June 29th Kyle flew to John Silvetti's house.


In Brazil, the preparations for the IMR contact with Petrobras, commencing in JUNE
(page 1 of 11)
http://www.deepocean.no/index.cfm?id=65087

Remember it was JUNE that those Petrobras talks/meetings were held in ARUBA

31.01 DeepOcean has the intention to enter into a frame agreement for survey services with Statoil ASA in and outside of Norway. The agreement start 15th March 2007 until March 2012 + 2 x 2 years options. Workscope includes seabed mapping, pipeline inspections, trenching support, construction and pipelay support. The intention is for DeepOcean to use "Edda Fauna".
http://www.fearnleyoffshoresupply.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=128


Offshore/Louis Schafer

The Consolidated Amended Complaint seeks compensatory damages, injunctive relief, disgorgement of alleged insider trading proceeds, and other equitable relief. On March 10, 2008, the Court granted defendants’ motion to transfer the action to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
http://tinyurl.com/a9jjwr

What may be a problem for Schaefer in particular is he sold off a lot of shares of his stock AFTER the stock market closed and made a bundle of money.
Similar to what Martha Stewart case was all about. Insider trading, they owned shares in their own company and then made money leaving the stockholders
not knowing anything and prices drop so that the stockholders are left holding stocks that are all but worthless.

 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::  No Chit! I saw this last night and decided to come in today and look at ALL the companies filings, edgar or otherwise on my Bloomberg.....this POS sold 1.5mm shares at the IPO for total proceeds of $22.5mm and later another 3,025m shares 10 days later for total proceeds of over $45mm....totaled $67.5mm when essentailly they knew the shares were worthless.......POS ::MonkeyNoNo::

Me personally.Do i believe Silvetti or schaeffer had Natalee's,and or her families best interests at heart?After reading what i've read i believe this trip was STRICTLY BUSINESS!By allowing the ALE to retrieve the contents of the cage.Silvetti's coffin is shut as far as i'm concerned!This is just my opinion.Schaeffer,Kingsman and Trahan attempting to sell footage of the cage/trap before it was given to the FBI,and or the family nails their coffin shut!PERIOD.This is just my opinion!

KEEPTHEFAITH

I agree, I mostly read here and don't post, but since I work in the financial industry I have access to anything and everything on publicly traded companies......so, when I saw the Schaefer info and looked into it I WAS PIZZED and shocked ::MonkeyShocked::

Well hopefully the SEC,as well as the IRS will take notice.It is Tax Time! ::MonkeyHaHa:: If you have an easier understanding of following the money please feel free to enlighten!His new company in Freeport,Tx is just getting of the ground and taking reservations for charter fishing,as well as other things!TIA
[/quote

Well, actually there is a class action lawsuit already regarding this insider trading debacle, so certainly the SEC should be watching closely and the company was delisted from the NASDAQ exchange. I can follow a money trail better if it's listed, either OTC or on an exchange. All publicly traded companies have to file a tremendous amount of paperwork and it's available on the Bloomberg as is every news item of ANY interest pertaining to the company. If the new one in Freepport is publicly traded, all I need is the name or symbol and I can get any info you need.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I believe it is private but another Monkey may be able to clarify!TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 12:49:12 PM
JOHN HAD A SECOND BUSINESS, GEOLAB LLC WHICH HAD GEOLAB BV (NETHERLANDS) AS A PART OF IT
 
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.



Kyle said: "He {John Silvetti] did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.
June 29th Kyle flew to John Silvetti's house.


In Brazil, the preparations for the IMR contact with Petrobras, commencing in JUNE
(page 1 of 11)
http://www.deepocean.no/index.cfm?id=65087

Remember it was JUNE that those Petrobras talks/meetings were held in ARUBA

31.01 DeepOcean has the intention to enter into a frame agreement for survey services with Statoil ASA in and outside of Norway. The agreement start 15th March 2007 until March 2012 + 2 x 2 years options. Workscope includes seabed mapping, pipeline inspections, trenching support, construction and pipelay support. The intention is for DeepOcean to use "Edda Fauna".
http://www.fearnleyoffshoresupply.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=128


Offshore/Louis Schafer

The Consolidated Amended Complaint seeks compensatory damages, injunctive relief, disgorgement of alleged insider trading proceeds, and other equitable relief. On March 10, 2008, the Court granted defendants’ motion to transfer the action to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
http://tinyurl.com/a9jjwr

What may be a problem for Schaefer in particular is he sold off a lot of shares of his stock AFTER the stock market closed and made a bundle of money.
Similar to what Martha Stewart case was all about. Insider trading, they owned shares in their own company and then made money leaving the stockholders
not knowing anything and prices drop so that the stockholders are left holding stocks that are all but worthless.

 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::  No Chit! I saw this last night and decided to come in today and look at ALL the companies filings, edgar or otherwise on my Bloomberg.....this POS sold 1.5mm shares at the IPO for total proceeds of $22.5mm and later another 3,025m shares 10 days later for total proceeds of over $45mm....totaled $67.5mm when essentailly they knew the shares were worthless.......POS ::MonkeyNoNo::

Me personally.Do i believe Silvetti or schaeffer had Natalee's,and or her families best interests at heart?After reading what i've read i believe this trip was STRICTLY BUSINESS!By allowing the ALE to retrieve the contents of the cage.Silvetti's coffin is shut as far as i'm concerned!This is just my opinion.Schaeffer,Kingsman and Trahan attempting to sell footage of the cage/trap before it was given to the FBI,and or the family nails their coffin shut!PERIOD.This is just my opinion!

KEEPTHEFAITH

I agree, I mostly read here and don't post, but since I work in the financial industry I have access to anything and everything on publicly traded companies......so, when I saw the Schaefer info and looked into it I WAS PIZZED and shocked ::MonkeyShocked::

Well hopefully the SEC,as well as the IRS will take notice.It is Tax Time! ::MonkeyHaHa:: If you have an easier understanding of following the money please feel free to enlighten!His new company in Freeport,Tx is just getting of the ground and taking reservations for charter fishing,as well as other things!TIA



Well, actually there is a class action lawsuit already regarding this insider trading debacle, so certainly the SEC should be watching closely and the company was delisted from the NASDAQ exchange. I can follow a money trail better if it's listed, either OTC or on an exchange. All publicly traded companies have to file a tremendous amount of paperwork and it's available on the Bloomberg as is every news item of ANY interest pertaining to the company. If the new one in Freepport is publicly traded, all I need is the name or symbol and I can get any info you need.  ::MonkeyTong::  Sorry, somehow ended up in your quote box


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 12:51:18 PM
Islandmonkey,

Great to see you posting here.  It's good to know we have monkeys in many different fields to share their outlook & knowledge on some of the things we've been looking at for the past several months......or the last 4 years with Natalee's case.   

Hello to all, btw.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on February 06, 2009, 12:51:38 PM
An interesting article in Caribbean Net News about the tax havens in the Caribbean.  Seems like someone is getting nervous that some countries are trying to put a stop to them.

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-14055--6-6--.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 12:51:57 PM
If we keep quote stackin BillB will be out shortly! ::MonkeyLaugh:: Hello BillB. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 12:53:39 PM
Islandmonkey,

I, too, believe Schaefer's newly acquired expedition company is private. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 12:56:56 PM
Islandmonkey,

I, too, believe Schaefer's newly acquired expedition company is private. 

Would keeping it private make it much more difficult for the courts,IRS,Govt to touch it in regards to the class-action??Anyone.TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 12:57:57 PM
Islandmonkey,

Great to see you posting here.  It's good to know we have monkeys in many different fields to share their outlook & knowledge on some of the things we've been looking at for the past several months......or the last 4 years with Natalee's case.   

Hello to all, btw.   

Thanks 2NJSons_mom~I have read here on the NH thread for yrs, but never felt like I had anything to add as you all are so d@mn smart........so, I just enjoyed lurking. I do have access to follow up on almost anything financial thru the Bloomberg (like a gold mine of never ending information). So, if anyone ever needs me to find anything, just give me a shout and I'll be glad to help.

Love the fact Schaefer is getting sued in sooo many courtrooms across the US~I just pray the SEC will step in because this company DEEP (symbol for nasdaq) was FOS when it entered into the IPO........that could put him behind bars for a seriously long time ! D@mn that would just be horrible  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 01:01:37 PM
Islandmonkey,

I, too, believe Schaefer's newly acquired expedition company is private. 

Would keeping it private make it much more difficult for the courts,IRS,Govt to touch it in regards to the class-action??Anyone.TIA

I was under the impression that to go public the company would have to have earnings exceeding a certain amount.   BUT, that's because I really am not well schooled in finance....nor do I think I ever will be.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 01:03:52 PM
Islandmonkey,

I, too, believe Schaefer's newly acquired expedition company is private. 

Would keeping it private make it much more difficult for the courts,IRS,Govt to touch it in regards to the class-action??Anyone.TIA

I doubt it, it just makes the records harder to follow. Anytime a company is public, every time an insider sells even 200 shares, they have to file a report. They have to file a report, 10Q's, 10K's and on and on, so it's easier for me to obtain their records. I'll go see what I can find on Schaefer on the BBERG besides this other info I provided about he IPO and insider trading.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 01:07:04 PM
Islandmonkey,

I, too, believe Schaefer's newly acquired expedition company is private. 

Would keeping it private make it much more difficult for the courts,IRS,Govt to touch it in regards to the class-action??Anyone.TIA

I was under the impression that to go public the company would have to have earnings exceeding a certain amount.   BUT, that's because I really am not well schooled in finance....nor do I think I ever will be.

To become a publicly traded company you DO have to meet certain criteria in terms of sales, earning etc. The first and easiest way is on the OTC market or Nasdaq WHERE Superior Offshore was listed, then AMEX, then NYSE.......however even when companies meet and exceed the criteria to move from the OTC market to the listed markets, many including Microsoft choose to stay on the OTC......see, you do understand finance!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 06, 2009, 01:07:21 PM
Islandmonkey, can you see any connection between Schaefer and
Silvetti prior to the search in Aruba?

Thanks for looking into this.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 01:07:33 PM
Most of that info on Schaefer has been posted a few times.  I know I posted it quite a while back and it's been posted by others, as well. 

Islandmonkey, maybe you'll find something that was missed.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 01:09:15 PM
Islandmonkey, can you see any connection between Schaefer and
Silvetti prior to the search in Aruba?

Thanks for looking into this.

Thanks, Magnolia.  I meant to post something similar and forgot. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 01:10:30 PM
Islandmonkey, can you see any connection between Schaefer and
Silvetti prior to the search in Aruba?

Thanks for looking into this.

What about offshore companies doing business with American companies.Probably no way to track that per se??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 01:18:48 PM
Islandmonkey, can you see any connection between Schaefer and
Silvetti prior to the search in Aruba?

Thanks for looking into this.

What about offshore companies doing business with American companies.Probably no way to track that per se??

In my moments of research I've found several (which I cannot name) and individually one can go to their site and find who they deal with.  I had found a few that mentioned BP....that's all that I can think of at the moment.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 01:22:10 PM
Islandmonkey, can you see any connection between Schaefer and
Silvetti prior to the search in Aruba?

Thanks for looking into this.

What about offshore companies doing business with American companies.Probably no way to track that per se??

In my moments of research I've found several (which I cannot name) and individually one can go to their site and find who they deal with.  I had found a few that mentioned BP....that's all that I can think of at the moment.   

Maybe i need to research more as well as become a better googler! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 01:24:04 PM
I see GeoLab hired Appleyard per Kermit.You would think this would make it much easier to do business with BP since Appleyard would have,many connections within that company in order to procur contracts for GeoLab.Just thoughts..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 01:26:23 PM
Islandmonkey, can you see any connection between Schaefer and
Silvetti prior to the search in Aruba?

Thanks for looking into this.
You'll have top refresh my memory ...that was around 12/07 correct??I will go check, although the Bloomberg has more financial info than anything else. WE use it for bond trading and looking up information on the corporate bonds etc. I'll check. Does Silvetti have any US companies that are public??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 01:29:58 PM
Islandmonkey, can you see any connection between Schaefer and
Silvetti prior to the search in Aruba?

Thanks for looking into this.

What about offshore companies doing business with American companies.Probably no way to track that per se??

never tried...I mainly just use it for trading, but it the American co is public, there should be some information in there annual reports, filings etc. I can look into that also.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 06, 2009, 01:30:37 PM
I know that BP does a lot of work with the Russians.
Now the Russians have moved into Venezuela and Geolab
has hired Appleyard.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 01:30:48 PM
Islandmonkey, can you see any connection between Schaefer and
Silvetti prior to the search in Aruba?

Thanks for looking into this.

What about offshore companies doing business with American companies.Probably no way to track that per se??

In my moments of research I've found several (which I cannot name) and individually one can go to their site and find who they deal with.  I had found a few that mentioned BP....that's all that I can think of at the moment.   

BP as in British Petroleum??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 01:34:23 PM
I know that BP does a lot of work with the Russians.
Now the Russians have moved into Venezuela and Geolab
has hired Appleyard.......


What would Silvetti have to offer Appleyard to lure him away from someone like BP??Would like to know how much and what!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 01:36:28 PM
I know that BP does a lot of work with the Russians.
Now the Russians have moved into Venezuela and Geolab
has hired Appleyard.......


What would Silvetti have to offer Appleyard to lure him away from someone like BP??Would like to know how much and what!

If GeoLab is not public yet.Can't wait to see the day it does! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 06, 2009, 01:37:02 PM
Islandmonkey, can you see any connection between Schaefer and
Silvetti prior to the search in Aruba?

Thanks for looking into this.

What about offshore companies doing business with American companies.Probably no way to track that per se??

In my moments of research I've found several (which I cannot name) and individually one can go to their site and find who they deal with.  I had found a few that mentioned BP....that's all that I can think of at the moment.   

BP as in British Petroleum??

Yes.

When BP took over AAMCO, I had a good friend who worked for AAMCO
and he had to travel to Russia frequently.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 01:40:38 PM
Islandmonkey, can you see any connection between Schaefer and
Silvetti prior to the search in Aruba?

Thanks for looking into this.

What about offshore companies doing business with American companies.Probably no way to track that per se??

In my moments of research I've found several (which I cannot name) and individually one can go to their site and find who they deal with.  I had found a few that mentioned BP....that's all that I can think of at the moment.   

BP as in British Petroleum??

Yes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 01:47:42 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue:: OK, so far.......Geolab was aquired by Dessau - Souprin, which is a Canandian engineering and construiction firm based out of Quebec. (private also).....Loooks like they do quite a bit of work in Chile, South america, Venezuaa, Peru. Looks like they specialize in geotechnics, engineering, energy etc......2200 employees and an annual turn around of about $250mm. Is this the Geolab you were thinking about??????? If so, already private upon acquisition. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 06, 2009, 01:49:38 PM
All that I can find right now on John Silvetti is
Silvetti Marine and the Silvetti Group LLC
I don't think either is publically traded.
I wish Kermit were here.  He knows about all this.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 01:52:34 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: OK, so far.......Geolab was aquired by Dessau - Souprin, which is a Canandian engineering and construiction firm based out of Quebec. (private also).....Loooks like they do quite a bit of work in Chile, South america, Venezuaa, Peru. Looks like they specialize in geotechnics, engineering, energy etc......2200 employees and an annual turn around of about $250mm. Is this the Geolab you were thinking about??????? If so, already private upon acquisition. ::MonkeyConfused::

kermit would be the one to confirm.You may want to search Kermit's profile for a better understanding of GeoLab LLC,as well as which countries.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 01:53:14 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: OK, so far.......Geolab was aquired by Dessau - Souprin, which is a Canandian engineering and construiction firm based out of Quebec. (private also).....Loooks like they do quite a bit of work in Chile, South america, Venezuaa, Peru. Looks like they specialize in geotechnics, engineering, energy etc......2200 employees and an annual turn around of about $250mm. Is this the Geolab you were thinking about??????? If so, already private upon acquisition. ::MonkeyConfused::

kermit would be the one to confirm.You may want to search Kermit's profile for a better understanding of GeoLab LLC,as well as which countries.

Yeah.Jen is here. ::MonkeyDance:: Maybe you can help??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 01:55:58 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: OK, so far.......Geolab was aquired by Dessau - Souprin, which is a Canandian engineering and construiction firm based out of Quebec. (private also).....Loooks like they do quite a bit of work in Chile, South america, Venezuaa, Peru. Looks like they specialize in geotechnics, engineering, energy etc......2200 employees and an annual turn around of about $250mm. Is this the Geolab you were thinking about??????? If so, already private upon acquisition. ::MonkeyConfused::

kermit would be the one to confirm.You may want to search Kermit's profile for a better understanding of GeoLab LLC,as well as which countries.

It's the only Gelab I could find, and it was just acquired 11/08.........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 01:56:16 PM
Thank you klaas and caesu for posting that article on Beth.  She is one strong lady, and my heart still goes out to her.

Just in case anyone (who still believes in caps and his "witness") missed this part:

Holloway said she believes she knows what happened. She said that Joran van der Sloot finally confessed to killing her daughter: "He gave her a shot of rum, and that produced a seizure. He then got friends to help him dump her body in the sea. We'll never know if she was alive or not when that happened."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 01:58:17 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: OK, so far.......Geolab was aquired by Dessau - Souprin, which is a Canandian engineering and construiction firm based out of Quebec. (private also).....Loooks like they do quite a bit of work in Chile, South america, Venezuaa, Peru. Looks like they specialize in geotechnics, engineering, energy etc......2200 employees and an annual turn around of about $250mm. Is this the Geolab you were thinking about??????? If so, already private upon acquisition. ::MonkeyConfused::

kermit would be the one to confirm.You may want to search Kermit's profile for a better understanding of GeoLab LLC,as well as which countries.

It's the only Gelab I could find, and it was just acquired 11/08.........

Interesting!!  VERY interesting date, indeed!!  Thanks for all your help here, island monkey!

Does the listing show the international subsidiaries of GeoLab?  Or only (what was)their American registration?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 01:59:51 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: OK, so far.......Geolab was aquired by Dessau - Souprin, which is a Canandian engineering and construiction firm based out of Quebec. (private also).....Loooks like they do quite a bit of work in Chile, South america, Venezuaa, Peru. Looks like they specialize in geotechnics, engineering, energy etc......2200 employees and an annual turn around of about $250mm. Is this the Geolab you were thinking about??????? If so, already private upon acquisition. ::MonkeyConfused::

kermit would be the one to confirm.You may want to search Kermit's profile for a better understanding of GeoLab LLC,as well as which countries.

It's the only Gelab I could find, and it was just acquired 11/08.........

If this GeoLab is connected to Silvetti that will be real interesting!Isn't that right before they go down to search(map the ocean floor) for Natalee??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 02:01:22 PM
11/08/08?   Islandmonkey?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 02:03:27 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: OK, so far.......Geolab was aquired by Dessau - Souprin, which is a Canandian engineering and construiction firm based out of Quebec. (private also).....Loooks like they do quite a bit of work in Chile, South america, Venezuaa, Peru. Looks like they specialize in geotechnics, engineering, energy etc......2200 employees and an annual turn around of about $250mm. Is this the Geolab you were thinking about??????? If so, already private upon acquisition. ::MonkeyConfused::

kermit would be the one to confirm.You may want to search Kermit's profile for a better understanding of GeoLab LLC,as well as which countries.

It's the only Gelab I could find, and it was just acquired 11/08.........

If this GeoLab is connected to Silvetti that will be real interesting!Isn't that right before they go down to search(map the ocean floor) for Natalee??

Think i'm off by a year! ::MonkeyConfused:: Duhhhhhh...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 02:03:30 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: OK, so far.......Geolab was aquired by Dessau - Souprin, which is a Canandian engineering and construiction firm based out of Quebec. (private also).....Loooks like they do quite a bit of work in Chile, South america, Venezuaa, Peru. Looks like they specialize in geotechnics, engineering, energy etc......2200 employees and an annual turn around of about $250mm. Is this the Geolab you were thinking about??????? If so, already private upon acquisition. ::MonkeyConfused::

OK - I don't think this is the same GeoLab.

Dessau acquires GéoLab inc.
(11/14/2008) 
Drummondville, November 14, 2008 – Jean-Pierre Sauriol, President and Chief Executive Officer of Dessau, is proud to announce the acquisition of GéoLab Inc., a Drummondville-based firm specialized in environmental management, geotechnics, and materials and quality engineering. The transaction will allow Dessau to benefit from GéoLab’s recognized expertise and capabilities in order to better serve clients in the Centre-du-Québec and Estrie regions. GéoLab will join LVM-Technisol, a Dessau subsidiary.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 02:05:10 PM
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.

GeoLab LLC is a member of the GeoLab Group of Companies providing extensive experience in supporting a diverse range of specialist data-gathering, survey and seabed mapping services to support the marine construction, hydrocarbon, telecommunication, and maritime industries worldwide.

The GeoLab group of companies operates through a network of strategically located companies to provide its customers with a global service. Experienced field proven professionals, whom in turn service the needs of their local customers, manage each entity. The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).

The services provided by the company are subject to an ISO 9002 control process to ensure that the deliverable items satisfy the clients' requirements. The extent of services covered by the accreditation covers all supporting activities inclusive of Project and Operational Management compliance functions and is summarized within the scope of the ISO charter. Health, Safety, Environmental and Risk management are all components of the system, which dovetail into the Quality compliance process.

For information contact GeoLab LLC at +713-457 0411 or by e-mail at info@geolab.cc


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 02:07:45 PM
Dessau acquires GéoLab inc.
(11/14/2008) 
Drummondville, November 14, 2008 – Jean-Pierre Sauriol, President and Chief Executive Officer of Dessau, is proud to announce the acquisition of GéoLab Inc., a Drummondville-based firm specialized in environmental management, geotechnics, and materials and quality engineering. The transaction will allow Dessau to benefit from GéoLab’s recognized expertise and capabilities in order to better serve clients in the Centre-du-Québec and Estrie regions. GéoLab will join LVM-Technisol, a Dessau subsidiary.

 

“We are proud to be able to announce this aquisition. GéoLab is a growing company built around a solid team recognized for its skills and capabilities. The addition of the GéoLab team will be a significant new asset for Dessau. The transaction that we are announcing today reflects our commitment to delivering a wider range of services in geotechnics, environmental management and materials engineering in the Centre-du-Québec and Estrie regions,” Mr. Sauriol said.

 

“We are happy to join forces with one of Canada’s top engineering and construction firms. This union points to a promising future, because it opens the door to extremely interesting developments in the region. It will also provide exciting new challenges to our employees, who have played a crucial role in GéoLab’s success,” added Réjean Bergeron, President of GéoLab. “The transaction will provide employees with many opportunities to work on major projects and, if they wish, to gain international experience.”

 

About GéoLab

Founded in 1996, GéoLab Inc. has expertise in fields as diverse as geotechnics, the environment, and soils and materials engineering. The firm currently has some 50 employees throughout the Centre-du-Québec and Estrie regions.

 

About Dessau and LVM-Technisol

Dessau is the second largest engineering-construction firm in Quebec, the fifth largest in Canada and one of the 100 largest in the world. Dessau has 3,750 employees and annual sales of $600 million. The firm is active throughout Quebec and elsewhere in Canada and has a significant presence in several foreign markets, chief among them North Africa, Central America, South America and the Caribbean. Dessau has been recognized as one of “Canada’s 50 Best Managed Companies.”

 

A member of the Dessau group, LVM-Technisol is Quebec’s largest firm of geotechnics and materials engineering consultants. The firm, boasting a track record of over 45 years of excellence, has 21 business offices in all regions of Quebec.

http://www.cogemat.ca/eng/specific/redirect.cfm?sectionID=extranetNewsDetail.cfm&newsItemID=93


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 02:07:48 PM
http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=oid%3A55427

(http://www.memphisflyer.com/binary/d47d/Holloway1.jpg)

Remembering Natalee Holloway
Mother of missing student carries message of personal safety to students in Memphis
.
By MICHAEL FINGER

On Thursday evening, more than 300 people filled the gymnasium at Rossville Christian Academy to hear Beth Holloway talk about her daughter, Natalee, who vanished on the night of May 30, 2005, during a school outing to the Caribbean island of Aruba.

The 18-year-old girl's disappearance sparked a media frenzy, and Beth Holloway began her talk by showing video clips of Barbara Walters, Geraldo Rivera, Bill O'Reilly, Nancy Grace, and even Dr. Phil. Walters began her news segment in typically dramatic fashion, calling the case "every parent's worse nightmare: A daughter goes away on holiday and never returns."

And this is essentially what happened to Natalee Holloway. Surrounded by ads for Collierville Screen Print, the Bank of Fayette County, Wilson Furniture, and Zellner Equipment, and facing a banner painted, "Go Lady Wolves!", Holloway began her talk in the school gymnasium by bluntly stating what she believed happened to her daughter in Aruba three years ago: "Natalee was kidnapped, raped, and killed. She went there to have fun, but she ran into others who had a different agenda."

According to police investigations, Natalie was last seen in the company of three young men on the evening of May 30th. More than 100 members of her school group were supposed to return to her hometown of Mountain Brook, Alabama, the following morning, but the young woman didn't show up. That morning, says Holloway, "I got the call every parent would dread -- one that would change my life forever."

She and her husband immediately flew to Aruba, and a quick glance at her daughter's hotel room, showing her clothes neatly packed and her passport on the bed, told her, "It was more than just intuition. I was certain that something was terribly wrong."

One problem was that the chief suspect, 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, was the son of a prominent judge on the island. According to Holloway, he told "more than a dozen" different accounts of what he did with the missing girl that evening, though insisting that he later dropped her off at her hotel and never saw her again.

The police claimed they didn't have enough evidence to arrest the young man, or two others also seen with Natalee that evening, "so we were left to search on our own," Holloway said, by putting up "KIDNAPPED" posters with her daughter's picture, and pleading for tips and information. "It was such a paradox," she said, "to see such natural beauty [on the island] and yet experience such horror at the same time."

She and her family investigated every tip they could, including bizarre tales that Natalee had been kidnapped and sold into prostitution or was being held prisoner in one of the many island crack-houses that the police pretended didn't exist. "The hidden underbelly of the island had been exposed," she said, "and it wasn't pretty."

After four days without sleeping, eating, or even bathing, Holloway told the Rossville audience that she finally asked a cab driver to take her to a chapel.

"I had descended to the lowest place a human spirit could fall, but I knew Natalee wouldn't want me to give up," she said. "My faith in God was my only hope, and I needed to pray harder -- to get someplace where God could hear me."

She was taken to a beach on the island where someone had erected a row of crosses, and it was here, she said, "that a complete peace blanketed me. I know Natalee is with God. He wrapped his loving arms around her and helped her get through whatever ordeal she went through that night."

Holloway said she believes she knows what happened. She said that Joran van der Sloot finally confessed to killing her daughter: "He gave her a shot of rum, and that produced a seizure. He then got friends to help him dump her body in the sea. We'll never know if she was alive or not when that happened."

The case, however, is still considered unsolved because -- confession or not -- she said the Aruban police don't want to pursue it.

"There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee," said her mother, "because they just don't do things [in other countries] the way we do here."

So now Holloway is speaking to groups like those who gathered at Rossville Christian Academy.

"The best way to honor Natalee," she explained, "is by talking with students about personal safety. It's not a safe world -- not on Internet chat rooms, and not on island vacations. So don't get yourself into situations where you can't defend yourself."

Holloway recently founded an organization called TravelEd, to teach personal safety to students and young men and women who travel abroad. That effort has taken her to school campuses in 23 states. She offered many tips, from being aware of your surroundings to forming a "safety circle" with friends, and noted, "You can never feel too confident or too safe. My daughter let her guard down for just a moment, and in that moment she vanished."  

Holloway concluded her hour-long talk with a video tribute to her daughter, then sat at a table in the gym and autographed more than 100 copies of her book, Loving Natalee. Everyone in the audience also picked up commemorative bookmarks and bracelets woven by Natalee's friends, the colored strands representing "faith, hope, and love."

"People often ask what keeps me going," Holloway said. "The human spirit can withstand a lot -- more than I ever thought possible. And I talked to Natalee and I pledged never to give up. Never."



Klaas ... thank you so much.

Beth Holloway is one amazing woman.  Her mission to educate others ... who travel to foreign destinations in regards to the hidden dangers that awaits if certain precautions are not taken ... implies the death of her precious daughter had a greater purpose.

Janet

 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 02:07:49 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: OK, so far.......Geolab was aquired by Dessau - Souprin, which is a Canandian engineering and construiction firm based out of Quebec. (private also).....Loooks like they do quite a bit of work in Chile, South america, Venezuaa, Peru. Looks like they specialize in geotechnics, engineering, energy etc......2200 employees and an annual turn around of about $250mm. Is this the Geolab you were thinking about??????? If so, already private upon acquisition. ::MonkeyConfused::

kermit would be the one to confirm.You may want to search Kermit's profile for a better understanding of GeoLab LLC,as well as which countries.

It's the only Gelab I could find, and it was just acquired 11/08.........

Interesting!!  VERY interesting date, indeed!!  Thanks for all your help here, island monkey!

Does the listing show the international subsidiaries of GeoLab?  Or only (what was)their American registration?

No problem, I don't know how much it helps~but happy if I can. Lets' see it was only listed as Geolab, Inc which was an considerd Engineering/R & D Services. That's all I have at this moment, no subsidiaries, however Dessau Soprin DOES have international subsidiaries such as Ingentra in Chile and offices in South and Central America, along with the Caribbean, Ontario, Quebec and North America.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 02:08:49 PM
Geolab Llc
2825 Wilcrest Dr, Houston, Texas 77042
(713) 457-0411


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 02:09:20 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Islandmonkey, you are right.  There are a few Geolabs out there. 

Edit to say: Jen, actually pointed out the possibility that it was a different company.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 02:10:21 PM
11/08/08?   Islandmonkey?
according to the Bloomberg, 11/14/08


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 02:12:57 PM
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.

GeoLab LLC is a member of the GeoLab Group of Companies providing extensive experience in supporting a diverse range of specialist data-gathering, survey and seabed mapping services to support the marine construction, hydrocarbon, telecommunication, and maritime industries worldwide.

The GeoLab group of companies operates through a network of strategically located companies to provide its customers with a global service. Experienced field proven professionals, whom in turn service the needs of their local customers, manage each entity. The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).

The services provided by the company are subject to an ISO 9002 control process to ensure that the deliverable items satisfy the clients' requirements. The extent of services covered by the accreditation covers all supporting activities inclusive of Project and Operational Management compliance functions and is summarized within the scope of the ISO charter. Health, Safety, Environmental and Risk management are all components of the system, which dovetail into the Quality compliance process.

For information contact GeoLab LLC at +713-457 0411 or by e-mail at info@geolab.cc
what date was this issued? I just called the number above and it is not in service........ ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 02:13:18 PM
#207 on: Today at 11:49:12 AM   islandmonkey

Well, actually there is a class action lawsuit already regarding this insider trading debacle, so certainly the SEC should be watching closely and the company was delisted from the NASDAQ exchange. I can follow a money trail better if it's listed, either OTC or on an exchange. All publicly traded companies have to file a tremendous amount of paperwork and it's available on the Bloomberg as is every news item of ANY interest pertaining to the company. If the new one in Freepport is publicly traded, all I need is the name or symbol and I can get any info you need.  ::MonkeyTong::  Sorry, somehow ended up in your quote box
------------------


http://www.underwaterexpeditions.com/

Captain Elliott’s sells fishing operations
By Hunter Sauls
The Facts     

Published January 4, 2008
FREEPORT — As longtime owners of the charter fishing tour boats of Captain Elliott’s Party Boats pull out of the recreational fishing business — the new owner, Underwater Expeditions, is baiting their hooks.

Last January, the owners of Captain Elliott’s said they would be closing shop due to lack of profit and increased restrictions on red snapper fishing, their main attraction.
Since then, Kemah resident Louis Schaefer, chairman of Superior Offshore International Inc., a worldwide commercial diving company, has bought the two boats and is expected to close on a deal to buy the docks and buildings next month, said Casey Cundieff, vice president of Captain Elliott’s.
The first trip is scheduled for Jan. 18. They’ll be taking out the “Big E”, which can carry 105 people, on a 52-hour tour out for yellow and black fin tuna, said ship captain and Freeport resident Robert Poulsen.

“It’s going to be a lot of fun,” Poulsen said.
---
Casting a wide net

“We want to build recreational fishing as a major industry here in Freeport,” said Evonn Caraway, Underwater Expeditions office manager. While Captain Elliott’s dedicated their boats to fishing tours, Caraway said they are going to tailor their cruises to what their clients have in mind.

“We’ll be doing spear fishing, scuba diving, kayak shuttling and our main focus — offshore fishing,” Caraway said. “We’re not worried about the red snapper limits. So far, we’ve had no problems filling our books up.”

Not only will Underwater Expeditions be using the same boats and facilities as Captain Elliott’s, but they already have added another to the fleet, a 32-foot catamaran, and plan to add more, she said.

“We have the same captains, deckhands and everything, just new owners and new management,” she said.

They also held onto L.A. Cuban, the walking Rolodex of Captain Elliott’s. She has worked every position in the company since her first day in 1988.

“I know all the regular customers,” Cuban said with a smile.

The four-fish limit on red snapper per person, a federal regulation, is not a major concern for Underwater Expeditions, she said. Only a few of the dozens of clients who have called or made reservations have even mentioned the fish, Caraway said.

“To me grouper is better meat than snapper anyway, it’s lighter and less gamey,” Caraway said as she stood out on the docks near the 87-foot “Capt. Casey”, their older fishing boat, and the 133-foot “Big E”, the longer, sleeker 2005-model vessel. “Most people come out to fish whatever is in season.”
---
‘Xvmarks the spot

Schaefer is not stopping there. He has also purchased the Bed and Breakfast next door to the docks, and the purchase of a new “expedition” ship is in the works, said Underwater Expeditions operations manager Jamie Stovall.

“If we’re going to do this, we’re going to do it right,” Stovall said. “We’re really excited about this acquisition.”

Until Underwater Expeditions can get a hold of their own boat, Schaefer is financing expeditions on other boats. One such expedition is currently out in Caribbean waters off Aruba looking for the remains of Natalee Holloway, an Alabama high school senior whose 2005 disappearance became a media sensation.

“We are also going to explore some sunken shipwrecks — for treasure,” Stovall said.

These expeditions are an interesting part of this investment, but not very profitable, Stovall said. The charter tour operations should make Underwater Expeditions break even, at least, he said.

“Louis believes that having fun in work is bigger and better than money,” Stovall said. “This isn’t a have-to business.”
---
Sailing to fairer seas

Even though the Big E and Capt. Casey have been sold to Schaefer, Captain Elliott’s Party Boats lives on as the parent company of Texas Crew Boats, Cundieff said. His father, Elliott Cundieff, started Captain Elliott’s in Freeport more than 30 years ago.

“As far as getting back in the fishing business, it doesn’t look like that will happen anytime soon,” Cundieff said.

In the meantime, the Cundieff family will be busy in their more profitable venture, Texas Crew Boats. The company’s seven, soon to be nine, $2 to $5 million boats ferry passengers, supplies, water, fuel and groceries out to offshore oil field workers, Cundieff said.

“The beauty part of the operation is they pay for the fuel and oil of our boats for each day we work,” he said. “So long as the jobs are steady, things are going well.”

Cundieff said he was relieved when Schaefer bought the recreational fishing boats. He didn’t see any profit in it.

“It was no secret that it wasn’t going well. Maybe he thinks he can do different stuff with it and make money,” he said. “The recreational fishing business is just too seasonal — I think we got lucky someone was willing to buy. I hope they’re able to maintain it.”

Until a deal is done on the docks, Cundieff said he would tie his personal fishing boat there. Afterward, he said he assumes he’ll be paying Underwater Expeditions monthly rent to leave his boat at the dock his family has owned for three decades.

“That’s going to feel a little strange,” he said.

Hunter Sauls covers Freeport for The Facts. Contact him at (979) 237-0153.
http://thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=054bac688bc7c40c


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.

GeoLab LLC is a member of the GeoLab Group of Companies providing extensive experience in supporting a diverse range of specialist data-gathering, survey and seabed mapping services to support the marine construction, hydrocarbon, telecommunication, and maritime industries worldwide.

The GeoLab group of companies operates through a network of strategically located companies to provide its customers with a global service. Experienced field proven professionals, whom in turn service the needs of their local customers, manage each entity. The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).

The services provided by the company are subject to an ISO 9002 control process to ensure that the deliverable items satisfy the clients' requirements. The extent of services covered by the accreditation covers all supporting activities inclusive of Project and Operational Management compliance functions and is summarized within the scope of the ISO charter. Health, Safety, Environmental and Risk management are all components of the system, which dovetail into the Quality compliance process.

For information contact GeoLab LLC at +713-457 0411 or by e-mail at info@geolab.cc
what date was this issued? I just called the number above and it is not in service........ ::MonkeyConfused::


2/12/2002

http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 02:15:48 PM
Geolab Llc
2825 Wilcrest Dr, Houston, Texas 77042
(713) 457-0411


GeoLab srl (Pozzuoli, Italy) recently established a permanent base in the Middle East. A new commercial and operational office, currently being used to support the Dolphin Project, has been established in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Hmirates.

...

Read all of this article


I believe Kermit touched on this.Correct me if i'm wrong Monkey's!TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 02:17:31 PM
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.

GeoLab LLC is a member of the GeoLab Group of Companies providing extensive experience in supporting a diverse range of specialist data-gathering, survey and seabed mapping services to support the marine construction, hydrocarbon, telecommunication, and maritime industries worldwide.

The GeoLab group of companies operates through a network of strategically located companies to provide its customers with a global service. Experienced field proven professionals, whom in turn service the needs of their local customers, manage each entity. The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).

The services provided by the company are subject to an ISO 9002 control process to ensure that the deliverable items satisfy the clients' requirements. The extent of services covered by the accreditation covers all supporting activities inclusive of Project and Operational Management compliance functions and is summarized within the scope of the ISO charter. Health, Safety, Environmental and Risk management are all components of the system, which dovetail into the Quality compliance process.

For information contact GeoLab LLC at +713-457 0411 or by e-mail at info@geolab.cc
what date was this issued? I just called the number above and it is not in service........ ::MonkeyConfused::


The link I found is from 2002, it seems, so that may be your answer.

http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 02:19:39 PM
This may help you IslandMonkey.

KERMIT

"IT APPEARS JOHN SILVETTI HAS A SECOND COMPANY ORIGINALLY KNOWN AS GEOLAB SILVETTI AND COMPANY LLC, BUT HE CHANGED THE NAME TO GEOLAB LLC IN 2001
(NOTE THIS COMPANY HAS THE SAME ADDRESS AS APS ABOVE) GEOLAB SILVETTI CO. 401 MECCA ST # B (337)-291-1120
http://www.looboo.com/list/US/LA/Lafayette/localinks

THIS SECOND COMPANY REPRESENTS THE INTEGRATED CAPABILITIES OF 5 GEOLAB COMPANIES
** NOTE THAT 1 OF THE 5 IS IN THE NETHERLANDS

will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisianasnip

The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).

http://www.e-pageads.com/surveymarketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2


GEOLAB B.V.(Netherlands)
Het Nieuwe Diep 39C
1781 AE Den Helder
NEDERLAND
t: +31 223684156
f: +31 223684160
w: Niet opgegeven
e: Niet opgegevenhttp://www.hotfrog.nl/Companies/GEOLAB-B-V


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 02:25:55 PM
Oh and psssst....... the tarp was recovered by ALE divers approx 10 feet outside the cage.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

The Tarp


Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle: The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew.  In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 02:27:43 PM
Thanks Janet!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 02:32:00 PM
More on Shaefer and Tim Trahan

SCHAEFER AND UNDERWATER EXPEDITIONS- TRAHAN

Search For Natalee HollowayKPLC-TV, LA - 18 hours ago

Trahan and Lake Charles native Louis Schaefer Jr. head up Underwater Expeditions around the world. ...
lcpirate.com/2007/12/24/

Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. “We can’t stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we’ve located it, we just need to get to it.”

THIS HAS A LINK TO HIS 2 WEBSITES -TOP LINK FISHING- SECOND LINK SCUBA DIVING TOURShttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/a71/5ab Located in Freeport, TXhttp://www.underwaterexpeditions.com/
Underwater Expeditions - 1010 West Second St.Freeport, TX 77541 
Directions from Houston288 South, then a left @ 2nd. St. in FreeportGo 1.5 miles and we are on the lefthttp://www.underwaterexpeditions.com/fishing

TIM TRAHAN'S SPECIALITIES
Underwater Expeditions, Offshore Fishing, Scuba Diving Charters
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/a71/5ab

fishing charters - boats usedThe "Big E"

Capt. Casey

http://www.underwaterexpeditions.com/boats.html

 H2O DIVING TOURS
Scuba Diving VacationsCaribbean Dive   Travel and World Diving   Specializing in offering the HOTTEST Deals
http://www.h2otours.net/

DOES TRIPS TO CURACAO
http://www.h2otours.net/curacao.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 02:34:16 PM
This may help you IslandMonkey.

KERMIT

"IT APPEARS JOHN SILVETTI HAS A SECOND COMPANY ORIGINALLY KNOWN AS GEOLAB SILVETTI AND COMPANY LLC, BUT HE CHANGED THE NAME TO GEOLAB LLC IN 2001
(NOTE THIS COMPANY HAS THE SAME ADDRESS AS APS ABOVE) GEOLAB SILVETTI CO. 401 MECCA ST # B (337)-291-1120
http://www.looboo.com/list/US/LA/Lafayette/localinks

THIS SECOND COMPANY REPRESENTS THE INTEGRATED CAPABILITIES OF 5 GEOLAB COMPANIES
** NOTE THAT 1 OF THE 5 IS IN THE NETHERLANDS

will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisianasnip

The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).

http://www.e-pageads.com/surveymarketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2


GEOLAB B.V.(Netherlands)
Het Nieuwe Diep 39C
1781 AE Den Helder
NEDERLAND
t: +31 223684156
f: +31 223684160
w: Niet opgegeven
e: Niet opgegevenhttp://www.hotfrog.nl/Companies/GEOLAB-B-V


I couldn't get any of thoe numbers to work ::MonkeyWaa:: I didn't try the Netherlands number because I'm at work ....

It IS altogether possible that the Geolab I found which was a publicly held company is not the geolab everyone knows.......I just called Houston for Geolabs and there are none listed, however there are 2 precision geolabs-maybe I'll give those a try ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 02:55:20 PM
Superior Offshore plans permanent presence - Trinidad & Tobago
Published: Friday, August 17, 2007 13:27 (GMT -0400)

By David Casallas / Business News Americas
Houston-based offshore oil and gas construction and diving services company Superior Offshore International (Nasdaq: DEEP) plans to establish a perman...


 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 03:02:49 PM
Superior Offshore plans permanent presence - Trinidad & Tobago
Published: Friday, August 17, 2007 13:27 (GMT -0400)

By David Casallas / Business News Americas
Houston-based offshore oil and gas construction and diving services company Superior Offshore International (Nasdaq: DEEP) plans to establish a perman...


 ::MonkeyWink::

Oh.  Say it ain't so?!?!?!

Shaefer had a plan for a place to quite possibly stash his ill gotten millions in the Caribbean?  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

The two ships that were initially going to conduct this search - wasn't one of them coming out of T&T?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 03:03:53 PM
Superior Offshore plans permanent presence - Trinidad & Tobago
Published: Friday, August 17, 2007 13:27 (GMT -0400)

By David Casallas / Business News Americas
Houston-based offshore oil and gas construction and diving services company Superior Offshore International (Nasdaq: DEEP) plans to establish a perman...


 ::MonkeyWink::

Oh.  Say it ain't so?!?!?!

Shaefer had a plan for a place to quite possibly stash his ill gotten millions in the Caribbean?  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

The two ships that were initially going to conduct this search - wasn't one of them coming out of T&T?

You need to have a subscription to read the full article...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 03:14:27 PM
AROIL TRADING
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=33754

Interesting, Glembert own many people on Aruba Money.

Now check also Nelson Oduber, He also has open a bussines, I may recall it was in offshore oil rigging.
 

AROIL TRADING PARTNERS

Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 94, SUITE 310, ORANJESTAD WEST, ARUBA
Legal form OPEN PARTNERSHIP
Name of the company AROIL TRADING V.O.F.
Date of commencement 1 DECEMBER 2004
 
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

CROES, GILBERTO FRANCOIS (JR);
Residing in BORANCANA 20, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 13 SEPTEMBER 1969
Nationality DUTCH
Position PARTNER
Effective 1 DECEMBER 2004
Authority MANAGING PARTNER
 
CROES, GLENBERT FRANCOIS;
Residing in CUMANA 84, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 5 JULY 1966
Nationality DUTCH
Position PARTNER
Effective 1 DECEMBER 2004
Authority PRESIDENT & MANAGING PARTNER

# Whom are the partners of AROIL TRADING?
Because of the fact that we treausure the privacy of our business relationships we don't disclose our partners. We believe this has been one of the reasons for our successes.....protecting our partnerships and partners.
Back to Top

# In which Markets is AROIL TRADING active?
We are active in the U.S., Caribbean, South American, European markets. We are currently entertaining proposals to enter the African and Asian markets.
Back to Top

# What is AROIL TRADING's relationship with the Oil Corporations?
We are partners in the form of Joint Ventures, Consultants and Agents with major Oil Corporations.


(http://k.b5z.net/i/u/6109557/i/03-30-croes-glenbert_Amigoe_di_Aruba.jpg)
glenbert f. croes: president

(http://k.b5z.net/i/u/6109557/i/ARUBA_TRADING.jpg)
gilberto f. (Jr) croes: managing partner


About Us

Glenbert Croes and Gilberto Croes Jr. at a young age have been active in serving their country in different important political posts during different Government periods. They have occupied positions such as: Vice Prime Minister of Aruba, Minister of Transport, Comunication, and Utilities Companies and Sport, as Senator and as Chairman and members of the Board of the different state owned Corporations.

Through the network inherited by their late father: Gilberto (Betico) F. Croes Leader of the Government of Aruba for more than 12 years who guided Aruba toward achieving the status of an Autonomous Country within the Kingdom of the Netherlands, and the network which both Glenbert and Gilberto developed through their careers, has given them the advantage in providing the success to their partnership with major Oil Corporations around the world.

The Managing Partners are the forces giving this challenging and growing Oil industry a local face on the world stage of Oil ventures.

AROIL TRADING PARTNERS are active in the U.S. Market, Carribean Market, South American Market and the European Market. They are currently entertaining proposals the enter the African and Asian Markets.


IN 2004 GILBERTO F. CROES AND GLENBERT F. CROES STARTED AROIL TRADING PARTNERS ARUBA IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FAST GROWING OIL INDUSTRY AND THE DEMAND FOR EFFECTIVE AND SUCCESSFUL BRIDGING OF OIL CORPORATIONS' NEEDS IN ORDER TO MEET THE WORLD COMUNITY'S DEMAND FOR OIL AND OIL RELATED PRODUCTS.

EFFECTIVE BROKERING,  JOINT VENTURES AND SUCCESSFUL DEMAND AND SUPPLY MANAGEMENT OF OIL AGREEMENTS BETWEEN OIL CORPORATIONS HAS BEEN OUR INFINITE FOCUS IN OUR SERVICE.

IT IS OUR PLEASURE TO BE OF SERVICE TO YOU: THE WORLD CORPORATE CITIZENS
http://aroiltradingpartners.com/home




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 03:20:22 PM
So.Who would the partners be?Silvetti and Schaeffer? ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 03:20:44 PM
Superior Offshore plans permanent presence - Trinidad & Tobago
Published: Friday, August 17, 2007 13:27 (GMT -0400)

By David Casallas / Business News Americas
Houston-based offshore oil and gas construction and diving services company Superior Offshore International (Nasdaq: DEEP) plans to establish a perman...


 ::MonkeyWink::
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



SEPTEMBER 30, 2007: Revenues for the three months ended September 30, 2007 were $75.5 million compared with $64.4 million for the three months ended
September 30, 2006, an increase of $11.1 million


NOVEMBER 2007 LOUIS SCHAEFER SELLS HIS STOCK:
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.84
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.82
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.80
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 187 $8.75
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 125 $8.74
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.72
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.71
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 658 $8.70
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.69
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.68
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.64
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.60
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.50
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.42
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.34
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.23
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.22
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.17


FEBRUARY 1, 2008 Superior is reorganizing & in a cash flow crunch.
http://tinyurl.com/55995b



FEBRUARY 29 LAWSUIT ANNOUNCED ON SCHAEFFER'S COMPANY BY A LAW FIRM IN LOUISIANA
http://au.us.biz.yahoo.com/iw/080229/0368776.html

March 1, 2008 LegallyLex Posted at BFN - about the Persistence leaving and needing more money

SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL INC. NT 10-K, 4/1/2008, 12/31/2007, View this filing in your web browser with section navigation. ...
www.edgar-online.com/brand/CreditRisk/search/?sym=DEEP


On May 8, 2008, the Company filed a motion with the Court for authority to sell a
12-Man 300 meter skid-mounted saturation diving system and related
equipment to Global Industries Offshore LLC (“Global”) for a cash payment
of $6,750,000.00









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 03:24:57 PM
I'd like to know who was sitting at the tables for meetings these types of meetings down in Aruba??Croes,Jossy,Silvetti,Schaeffer,Oduber...Who?Lord have Mercy Kermit....Does Schaeffer own a place down in Trinidad & Tobago.Charter business.Do his boats have the capability to get to Aruba,then Trinidad & Tobago,then back again??With some paying customers?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 03:26:13 PM
I'd like to know who was sitting at the tables for meetings these types of meetings down in Aruba??Croes,Jossy,Silvetti,Schaeffer,Oduber...Who?Lord have Mercy Kermit....Does Schaeffer own a place down in Trinidad & Tobago.Charter business.Do his boats have the capability to get to Aruba,then Trinidad & Tobago,then back again??With some paying customers?

From Freeport to Aruba,to Trinidad & Tobago,and back again?All with paying customers.Just thoughts..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 03:31:55 PM
Superior Offshore plans permanent presence - Trinidad & Tobago
Published: Friday, August 17, 2007 13:27 (GMT -0400)

By David Casallas / Business News Americas
Houston-based offshore oil and gas construction and diving services company Superior Offshore International (Nasdaq: DEEP) plans to establish a perman...


 ::MonkeyWink::
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



SEPTEMBER 30, 2007: Revenues for the three months ended September 30, 2007 were $75.5 million compared with $64.4 million for the three months ended
September 30, 2006, an increase of $11.1 million


NOVEMBER 2007 LOUIS SCHAEFER SELLS HIS STOCK:
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.84
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.82
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.80
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 187 $8.75
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 125 $8.74
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.72
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.71
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 658 $8.70
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.69
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.68
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.64
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.60
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.50
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.42
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.34
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.23
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.22
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.17


FEBRUARY 1, 2008 Superior is reorganizing & in a cash flow crunch.
http://tinyurl.com/55995b



FEBRUARY 29 LAWSUIT ANNOUNCED ON SCHAEFFER'S COMPANY BY A LAW FIRM IN LOUISIANA
http://au.us.biz.yahoo.com/iw/080229/0368776.html

March 1, 2008 LegallyLex Posted at BFN - about the Persistence leaving and needing more money

SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL INC. NT 10-K, 4/1/2008, 12/31/2007, View this filing in your web browser with section navigation. ...
www.edgar-online.com/brand/CreditRisk/search/?sym=DEEP


On May 8, 2008, the Company filed a motion with the Court for authority to sell a
12-Man 300 meter skid-mounted saturation diving system and related
equipment to Global Industries Offshore LLC (“Global”) for a cash payment
of $6,750,000.00









Hi Kermit~long time Natalee lurker, just now starting to post, yet I STAND with the Frog too!. Anyway, I was looking into Geolabs on the bloomberg and saw only one that USED to be publicly traded, and has since been acquired by Dessau-soprin.......is this a different Geolab than the one discussed earlier, and if so, was that a private company. I couldn't find a listing in Houston a Geolab, only precision geo. Thanks

IM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 03:38:12 PM
Monkeys

You all are amazing in your researching abilities as it pertains to this topic.  What lay beneath the obvious is downright Intriguing and ... is the key to so many unanswered questions.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 03:42:09 PM
Monkeys

You all are amazing in your researching abilities as it pertains to this topic.  What lay beneath the obvious is downright Intriguing and ... is the key to so many unanswered questions.

Janet



I think it will all be to sad when the dot's are connected.In my opinion this was never about Natalee for Silvetti,Schaeffer,Trahan,and in the end Kyle.Kyle still has the opportunity to do right!Will it happen?At this point i don't.Would like to be proven wrong....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 03:43:02 PM
Monkeys

You all are amazing in your researching abilities as it pertains to this topic.  What lay beneath the obvious is downright Intriguing and ... is the key to so many unanswered questions.

Janet



I think it will all be to sad when the dot's are connected.In my opinion this was never about Natalee for Silvetti,Schaeffer,Trahan,and in the end Kyle.Kyle still has the opportunity to do right!Will it happen?At this point i don't think so.Would like to be proven wrong....

correction


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 03:43:59 PM
THE SILVETTI GROUP OF COMPANIES

Silvetti Marine Services LLC
A.Vessels Operation Company
1. RV Persistence
2. J. David
http://silvettigroup.com/sms.html

Marine Surveys LLC
http://silvettigroup.com/ms.html

Alternative Positioning Solutions LLC
A. Created in 2002
http://silvettigroup.com/aps.html

Map of Alternative Positioning Sltns,
401 Mecca St Ste B .. 401 Mecca St Ste B Lafayette, LA 70508 3372371235. Map for Alternative Positioning Sltns. Write a Review. To see the route on the map in print view, ...

lafayette.citysearch.com/profile/map/42105741/lafayette_la/alternative_positioning_sltns.html


IT APPEARS JOHN SILVETTI HAS A SECOND COMPANY ORIGINALLY KNOWN AS GEOLAB SILVETTI AND COMPANY LLC, BUT HE CHANGED THE NAME TO GEOLAB LLC IN 2001
(NOTE THIS COMPANY HAS THE SAME ADDRESS AS APS ABOVE) GEOLAB SILVETTI CO. 401 MECCA ST # B (337)-291-1120
http://www.looboo.com/list/US/LA/Lafayette/localinks

THIS SECOND COMPANY REPRESENTS THE INTEGRATED CAPABILITIES OF 5 GEOLAB COMPANIES
** NOTE THAT 1 OF THE 5 IS IN THE NETHERLANDS


will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisianasnip

The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).
http://www.e-pageads.com/surveymarketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2

The GeoLab group of companies operates through a network of strategically located companies to provide its customers with a global service. Experienced field proven professionals, whom in turn service the needs of their local customers, manage each entity. The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).

GeoLab LLC (USA)

geo lab incorporated is a OIL FIELD CONTRACTORS & SERVICES specialist located in waller,TX
http://www.nexport.com/company.cfm


GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK),
Geolab Technical Services Ltd
Ferry House
South Denes Road
Great Yarmouth
Norfolk
NR30 2PJ

Tel: +44 (0) 1493 855992
Fax: +44 (0) 1493 855993
http://www.1stdirectory.com/Companies/105165_Geolab_Technical_Services_Ltd.htm

GEOLAB B.V.(Netherlands)
Het Nieuwe Diep 39C
1781 AE Den Helder
NEDERLAND
t: +31 223684156
f: +31 223684160
w: Niet opgegeven
e: Niet opgegevenhttp://www.hotfrog.nl/Companies/GEOLAB-B-V

COMPANY PROFILE IN : GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEERING, NETHERLANDS GeoLab BV
Het Nieuwe Diep 39C
1781 AE Den Helder
Netherlands
Phone : 31 223 684156
Fax : 31 223 684160
Web : info@geolab.nl
BUSINESS ACTIVITIES :
GEOPHYSICAL SERVICES
GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEERING
OFFSHORE STRUCTURES
PIPE INSPECTION SERVICES
SURVEYORS
SURVEYORS, SEISMIC
http://www.tradearabia.com/directory/company.asp?CID=319822&Sn=OGN&BA=GEOT&CO=NL

GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).
????


GeoLab srl. (Italy),
GEOLAB SRL HEADQUARTERS (ITALY)
GeoLab Srl
Via Monterusciello, 75
80078 Pozzuoli (NA)
ITALIA

T.: +39 081 5249811
F.: +39 081 5249850
M.: info@geolab.it
http://www.geolab.it/geolab_eng/geoLay_contatti.html

GeoLab Middle-East Branch
GeoLab Middle East - UAE Branch
VP.O. Box No. 107365 - Abu Dhabi - UAE

T.: +971 (0) 2 6455668
F.: +971 (0) 2 6444384
M.:info.uae@geolab.it
http://www.geolab.it/geolab_eng/geoLay_contatti.html


29 Feb 2008
SEDI IN AFRICA

GeoLab – Congo Office
Résidence Les Palmiers
Avenue Germain Bikouma
Pointe Noire
Congo
Tel.:+2 42 6386969
M.: fred.leofloch@geolab.it

http://www.geolab.it/geolab_eng/geoLay_contatti.html



GeoLab Namibia (Pty) Ltd
P.O. Box 97435, Maerua Mall, Windhoek, Namibia.
3 Bam Street, Southern Ind. Area, Windhoek, Namibia.

T.: +264 (0) 61 272761
F.: +264 (0) 61 272762

M.: info.geolab@iafrica.com
http://www.geolab.it/geolab_eng/geoLay_contatti.html

GeoLab Middle-East Branch Geolab Srl shall be assigning to the region our in-house dedicated DP Class 1 ROV survey support and light construction vessel the DP Geo which was formally the RSV Salgueiro recently acquired from Subsea 7 and is currently undergoing refurbishment in Europe the vessel shall be available in early April 2008http://www.oceanologyinternational.com/page.cfm/T=m/Action=Press/PressID=108/OSite=149150148_1494

we know Kyle is working for Statoil Hydro,AGR Drilling, Fugro Norway

Ormen Lange Excavation - North SeaOrmen Lange deep sea pipeline excavation monitoring with Oceaneering Magnum ROV and high-resolution multibeam sonar. StatoilHydro, AGR Drilling, Fugro Norway
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 4:43 PMhttp://geosolutions.blogspot.com/2008/07/ormen-lange-excavation-north-sea-norway.html

HIS FIRST STOP WHEN HE GOT TO OSLO WAS AT FUGRO NORWAY

I got off at Skoeyen (Skøyen) station, on the outskirts of Oslo, where I met up with Knut. He took me across the street from the train station to Fugro Norway headquarters

FUGRO IS IN AMSTERDAM - A DUTCH COMPANY


Fugro was founded in 1962, has been listed on Euronext N.V. in Amsterdam since 1992 and has been included in the Amsterdam Midkap index since 2002. With the acquisition of Thales GeoSolutions on 19 November 2003, Fugro now has over 275 offices and over 8,000 staff stationed in more than 50 countries worldwide.

http://www.fugro.no/portal/alias__Rainbow/lang__en-US/tabID__3423/DesktopDefault.aspx

A Dutch company was targeted: FUGRO N.V. with a world-wide reputation specialising in reconnaissance work and advice to the oil and gas industry which has just finished a seismic survey for the oil company Kerr McGee, itself holding a exploration contract granted by the Moroccan authorities in 2001
http://www.arso.org/01-e04-3132.htm

Leidschendam, The Netherlands
Fugro Seismic Imaging Ltd
Veurse Achterweg 10, P.O. Box 35
NL-2260 AA Leidschendam
The Netherlands
Telephone: +31 70 317 0509
Facsimile: +31 70 317 0511
Email: g.zaalberg@fugro.com

AND FUGRO NORWAY HAS ITS MAIN HEADQUARTERS IN OSLO

from google
consultancy with headquarters in Walnut Creek, ...... Oslo, Norway. Fugro Norway AS. Oslo, Norway. Fugro Seastar AS. Oslo, Norway. Fugro Seismic Imaging AS ...
www.fugro.com/corporate/dl/reports/FugroJV2007ENG.pdf

Fugro Survey AS
Fugro Survey AS is located in Oslo and is part of Fugro's Offshore Survey Division which employs 1800 people in 20 offices around the world. The Survey Division operates a fleet of more than 20 survey vessels, a fleet of underwater Remotely Operated Vehicles (ROVs) and the STARFIX high accuracy Differential GPS positioning services
http://www.spacecamp.no/?p=sponsors

Fugro-Geoteam has its headquarters in Oslo, Norway, with operational offices in Houston, Texas and Perth, Australia
http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/job-JMUT1YQ16PL
Oslo, Norway - Onboard processing
Fugro Geoteam AS
P.O. Box 490
Skoyen
Hoffsveien 1C
Oslo N-0213
Norway
Telephone: +47 22 13 46 00
Facsimile: +47 22 13 46 46
Email: info@fugro-fsi.com

FUGRO HAD DONE ALL THE MAPPING OF THE OCEAN FLOOR SO THAT HYDRO COULD DECIDE WHAT ROUTE TO TAKE THE PIPELINE

Fugro Survey has mapped 5000km of pipeline route alternatives from Norway's Ormen Lange field to shore under a frame agreement contract with Norsk Hydro. The surveys, off the west coast of Norway between Aalesund and Kristiansund, were over 10 likely routes in difficult topographic areas through many islands and shallow areas.

Fugro's survey vessel Geo Scanner used a Simrad EM1002 precision multibeam echo sounder to achieve optimum depth accuracy. A five-person onboard team processed and interpreted survey results and transmitted these ashore to enable Norsk Hydro to make key routing decisions as the surveys progressed. For more information, E-mail Phil Meaden, Fugro Survey Ltd, Aberdeen at pmeaden@fugrosurvey.co.uk
http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter20.html

ALTHOUGH HE HAD HAD JUST HAD A PHYSICAL THAT QUALIFIED HIM FOR WORKING IN THE THE NORTH SEA, HE NOW HAD TO GET ONE THAT QUALIFIED HIM FOR WORKING IN THE NORWEGIAN SECTION

Once there, I set my bags down and caught a taxi to the Reiseklinikken, where I met Dr. Hasle. Even though I just got a UKOOA physical that qualified me for the North Sea, I needed an addition to the physical that qualified me for the Norwegian sector of the North Sea
HE THEN FLEW TO KRISTIANSUND AND MET UP WITH THE SHIP THE ISLAND VALIANT
We boarded a small twin turbo-prop plane and flew a little over an hour north from Oslo to a town called Kristiansund
The boat is called the Island Valiant. It's a 296 ft (90.4m) long support vessel built in 2007




THE ISLAND VALIANT HAD BEEN CONTRACTED BY AGR SUBSEA TO CARRY OUT THE DEEP WATER EXCAVATION WORK
November 5, 2007

Seabrokers reports that Island Offshore's UT 787LCD Island Valiant has been contracted by AGR Subsea AS to carry out deep water excavation work on the Ormen Lange Southern Field Development Project in June next year.




KYLE'S ROLE INVOLVED DOING THE TWO WEAKEST OPERATIONAL AREAS HE HAS, WHICH THE CLIENT WAS WELL AWARE OF BEFORE THE JOB. HE IS USED TO BE VERY COMFORTABLE IN THE WORK HE DOES, HAVING A HIGH COMMAND OF EXPERTISE. BUT HERE HE'S COMPLETELY OUT OF HIS COMFORT ZONE AND OUT OF HIS EXPERTISE


My role is to take the pre installation data and calculate how much volume of material is to be removed and from where it should be removed, then once trenched, calculate how much material was removed so the installation can be conducted and evaluate the route This role involves large amounts of multi-beam sonar processing and AutoCAD work. This is the two weakest operational areas I have, which the client was well aware of before the job. However, within the first few days I got up to speed of where I needed to be and things are starting to get under control, but the pressure is certainly on. This project is stretching me, but I'm learning a lot.
I am used to being very comfortable in the work I do, having a high command over my expertise. Here, I am completely out of my comfort zone and out of my expertise.

ONE NIGHT A LOW-PROFILE WORK VESSEL WAS OPERATING WITHIN A MILE OF THEM, AND THE OFFSHORE PROJECT MANAGER, JOHN HAD TOLD HIM THERE RECENTLY 18 PEOPLE HAD DROWNED WHEN THE SAME BOAT SANK

Last night, a long low-profile work vessel was operating within a mile of our vessel.
The offshore project manager, John ( ??) told me that recently 18 people drowned on that same boat when it sank


AFTER FINISHING THE JOB, HE FLEW TO OSLO TO THE CLIENTS MAIN OFFICE

This Tuesday morning we completed the job in the North Sea and were headed for Ulsteinvik, Norway for demobilization. The client was ecstaticAfter flying to Oslo, I checked into the Thon Hotel, which is located near the city center and King’s palace, a popular tourist hotspot.I took the train to the client’s main office where I was greeted by several bosses who gathered together and looked at me, a “geo”, as if I were a lone unicornfew rows made office is located in Oslo Norway
FUGRO NORWAY MAIN OFFICE IS LOCATED IN OSLO

AFTER A BRIEF MEETING, A DUTCH AGENT NAMED MARK TOBE TELLS HIM HE IS IMMEDIATELY NEEDED IN CAIRO, AND THAT HIS FLIGHT LEAVES IN FIVE HOURS SHOULD HE ACCEPT

After a brief productive meeting Knut walks in and hands me a phone. It’s a Dutch agent named Mark Tobe. He tells me I’m needed immediately in Cairo and that a driver will be waiting for me when I land. My flight leaves in 5 hours, should I accepthe arrives in Cairo to do a job that he doesn't know who the client is, what the job is, or even if he will be staying in each up to all the nose is they were not afraid to pay him a high price to get him there

HE ARRIVES IN CAIRO TO DO A JOB THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW WHO THE CLIENT IS, WHAT THE JOB IS, OR EVEN IF HE WILL STAY IN EGYPT. ALL HE KNOWS IS THAT THEY WERE NOT AFRAID TO PAY HIM A HIGH PRICE TO GET HIM THERE.

I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I don’t know who the client is, what the job is, what I’m doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt. Hmm… how do I fill out my customs card?

HE SAYS HE IS WORKING ON A SHIP WHICH IS AN EX-RUSSIAN KGB SPY VESSEL CALLED THE NAVIGATOR

Now, add the crew of an ex-Russian KGB spy vessel named the “Navigator” to the list who once during a routine expedition came across an ancient submerged pyramid in the Mediterranean

WHICH APPEARS TO BE THE FUGRO NAVIGATOR
IT IS REGISTERED TO FUGRO CHINA, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU MUST GO THROUGH THE NETHERLANDS BRANCH TO USE IT



 
Address : Wanchai, China
с/о Fugro Marine Services B.V.: Dillenburgsingel 69, P.O. Box 136, 2260 AC Leidschendam, Netherlands

Moored/Anchored. FUGRO NAVIGATOR, Cargo, Moored/Anchored, 0, 146, ABU QIR, 5/31/2008 9:00:00 AM, 08/06/2008 00:10 · Χάρτης ...
syros-*******.aegean.gr/ais/datasheet.aspx?datasource=SHIPS_ CURRENT&alpha=F&language=_GR&ord...

Fugro Marine Services B.V.

(148619) (LRF / Company identification no: 5312062)

915 - Seismographic Research Ship

http://exchange.dnv.com/Exchange/Main.aspx?EXTool=Vessel&VesselID=28985


Street Address:

Country: Russian Federation


http://exchange.dnv.com/exchange/main.aspx?extool=company&companyid=10007112


FUGRO SAE WERE LOOKING TO HIRE PEOPLE TO WORK ON THAT SHIP


FSAE are seeking to employ a two Hydrographic Survey Party Chiefs to manage our Geophysical Survey Vessel “Fugro Navigator”. The position is mainly vessel-based working back to back with opposite number either project by project or by rotation although office based pre project and project reporting work will be required. The Party Chief is the Company representative in the field and is responsible for ensuring that the project is completed in accordance with the procedures and Client specifications and within the confines of the contract. The Party Chief is also responsible for ensuring that the results are presented in a professional, timely, and efficient manner
http://www.fugro.be/jobs/jobdetails.asp?item=1183

We’ve come across a 160ft high submerged structure in over 200ft of water. If man-made, it would support intelligent antediluvian Neolithic civilization existed and thrived for potentially thousands of years before popular academic opinion would suggestIf it is a positive side, the structure will be left untouched

Although the effort will be viewed by most as successful, I will look back at it as partially repugnant and he moves on to another project in egypt
Once this project is completed, I will move on to a new one currently mobilizing near El Alamein, west of Alexandria, Egypt

WHAT DID THESE TWO KNOW ??WHY CAN'T IT BE THE PERSISTENCE THAT COMES BACK??




HE WAS APPARENTLY THERE ANALYZING WORK THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONEAND APPEARS TO BE LOOKING FOR OBSTACLES ON THE OCEAN FLOOR

Hardly a few minutes into the analysis of hundreds of miles of sonar data, a rather unassuming wispy tendril of backscatter drew my attention. It wasn’t real, but rather an out of range return from something subtle lying just beyond the sonar’s range drawing me on to look furtherThinking I might find another wreck, I chased the subtle wisp of acoustic return and headed east on an adjacent discarded sonar lineThen, barely visible above the mud-line, the unassuming skeletal wooden frame of a large potentially-ancient wreck came into view I found an undiscovered shipwreck the day before In 60m of water, out of nowhere juts a perfectly geometric dome. Located immediately by its side, is a smaller second mound about 1/10th the size. The proportion of their sizes is perfect. The sides of the mounds are perfectly flat and uniform, like the sides of a pyramid.These two structures have an identical alignment as the great pyramids when adjusted for the difference in precessional variation through time

I’ve been in Cairo now for sixteen days and I’ve fallen into a steady rhythm of work, sleep, and repetition. The project’s back is broken and the end is in sight







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 03:45:22 PM
I'll be back later and answer questions.
I have a meeting, sorry.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 03:48:48 PM
I'll be back later and answer questions.
I have a meeting, sorry.


Thanx Kermit!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 03:48:58 PM
Superior Offshore plans permanent presence - Trinidad & Tobago
Published: Friday, August 17, 2007 13:27 (GMT -0400)

By David Casallas / Business News Americas
Houston-based offshore oil and gas construction and diving services company Superior Offshore International (Nasdaq: DEEP) plans to establish a perman...


 ::MonkeyWink::

Oh.  Say it ain't so?!?!?!

Shaefer had a plan for a place to quite possibly stash his ill gotten millions in the Caribbean?  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

The two ships that were initially going to conduct this search - wasn't one of them coming out of T&T?

You need to have a subscription to read the full article...

Well I know that the original two ships scheduled for this search were coming out of Trinidad and Tobago - but I'll be dipped if I can find that article now.

Anyway............

Info on Superior Offshore doing business in T&T:

June 2007, we entered into a cooperation agreement with Cross Logistics, Inc., the owner of the Crossmar XIV, a 250-foot, four-point construction barge. The agreement expires in December 2007 and provides for us and Cross Logistics to cooperate in marketing our combined capabilities for certain projects and to perform any resulting contracts. We and Cross Logistics also have entered into a time charter for the Crossmar XIV pursuant to which we are currently providing diving personnel, dive equipment, an ROV and project supervision to the vessel in connection with our Trinidad project through the end of November 2007. The Trinidad customer is responsible for payment of all equipment and services provided under the charter.

Some news about the company:
Friday November 16, (2007) 6:52 pm ET


Superior Offshore Shares Plunge After 3rd-Quarter Filing Delay, Analyst Downgrade

NEW YORK (AP) -- Shares of Superior Offshore International Inc., which provides subsea construction and commercial diving services to the offshore oil and gas industry, plunged Friday after the company delayed filing its third-quarter financial statement.

On Friday, a Merrill Lynch analyst downgraded the Houston-based company's stock to "Neutral" from "Buy."

Superior Offshore shares dropped 77 cents, or 9 percent, to close at $7.83, after plunging 24 percent to $6.56 earlier in the session. The stock has dropped more than 40 percent since its initial public offering priced at $15 in April.

In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing, Superior Offshore said the third-quarter filing was delayed as the company determines whether it is required to reclassify long-term debt as current debt.

Superior Offshore said the reclassification may be necessary under the terms of a waiver from a lender related to defaults on the company's senior secured term loan facility. The company is currently negotiating a term loan facility with another lender to refinance the facility.

Superior said it does not expect that the issue will materially affect its previously reported results from operations.

On Thursday, Superior Offshore said third-quarter earnings plunged 74 percent to $3.6 million, or 14 cents per share, from $13.7 million, or 92 cents per share, in the prior-year period. The third-quarter results included one-time charges of $900,000, or 3 cents per share.

Some trading issues:

Superior Offshore International Senior Executives Cancel 10b5-1 Trading Plans

HOUSTON (AP) -- Oilfield service provider Superior Offshore International Inc. said Friday two senior executives canceled prearranged trading plans that gave them greater freedom to buy or sell the company's shares.




President and Chief Executive Officer James J. Mermis and Chief Financial and Administrative Officer Roger D. Burks each ended their 10b5-1 trading plans, which had been set up partly to pay income tax on granted stock, the company said.

A prearranged 10b5-1 trading plan lets company insiders set up a program in advance for stock transactions and proceed with them even if he or she comes into possession of material non-public information.

(The Company disclosed that its $55 million Term Loan Facility with Fortis Bank has been classified as a current obligation per FASB reporting requirements because the Company did not meet certain requirements of its term loan debt covenants.)

Trinidad project was running full steam ahead during the third quarter. Three of our vessels, the Gulmar Condor, Seamec III, and the Crossmar 14 are still currently working there for BP.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 03:51:30 PM
Superior Offshore plans permanent presence - Trinidad & Tobago
Published: Friday, August 17, 2007 13:27 (GMT -0400)

By David Casallas / Business News Americas
Houston-based offshore oil and gas construction and diving services company Superior Offshore International (Nasdaq: DEEP) plans to establish a perman...


 ::MonkeyWink::

Oh.  Say it ain't so?!?!?!

Shaefer had a plan for a place to quite possibly stash his ill gotten millions in the Caribbean?  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

The two ships that were initially going to conduct this search - wasn't one of them coming out of T&T?

You need to have a subscription to read the full article...

Well I know that the original two ships scheduled for this search were coming out of Trinidad and Tobago - but I'll be dipped if I can find that article now.

Anyway............

Info on Superior Offshore doing business in T&T:

June 2007, we entered into a cooperation agreement with Cross Logistics, Inc., the owner of the Crossmar XIV, a 250-foot, four-point construction barge. The agreement expires in December 2007 and provides for us and Cross Logistics to cooperate in marketing our combined capabilities for certain projects and to perform any resulting contracts. We and Cross Logistics also have entered into a time charter for the Crossmar XIV pursuant to which we are currently providing diving personnel, dive equipment, an ROV and project supervision to the vessel in connection with our Trinidad project through the end of November 2007. The Trinidad customer is responsible for payment of all equipment and services provided under the charter.

Some news about the company:
Friday November 16, (2007) 6:52 pm ET


Superior Offshore Shares Plunge After 3rd-Quarter Filing Delay, Analyst Downgrade

NEW YORK (AP) -- Shares of Superior Offshore International Inc., which provides subsea construction and commercial diving services to the offshore oil and gas industry, plunged Friday after the company delayed filing its third-quarter financial statement.

On Friday, a Merrill Lynch analyst downgraded the Houston-based company's stock to "Neutral" from "Buy."

Superior Offshore shares dropped 77 cents, or 9 percent, to close at $7.83, after plunging 24 percent to $6.56 earlier in the session. The stock has dropped more than 40 percent since its initial public offering priced at $15 in April.

In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing, Superior Offshore said the third-quarter filing was delayed as the company determines whether it is required to reclassify long-term debt as current debt.

Superior Offshore said the reclassification may be necessary under the terms of a waiver from a lender related to defaults on the company's senior secured term loan facility. The company is currently negotiating a term loan facility with another lender to refinance the facility.

Superior said it does not expect that the issue will materially affect its previously reported results from operations.

On Thursday, Superior Offshore said third-quarter earnings plunged 74 percent to $3.6 million, or 14 cents per share, from $13.7 million, or 92 cents per share, in the prior-year period. The third-quarter results included one-time charges of $900,000, or 3 cents per share.

Some trading issues:

Superior Offshore International Senior Executives Cancel 10b5-1 Trading Plans

HOUSTON (AP) -- Oilfield service provider Superior Offshore International Inc. said Friday two senior executives canceled prearranged trading plans that gave them greater freedom to buy or sell the company's shares.




President and Chief Executive Officer James J. Mermis and Chief Financial and Administrative Officer Roger D. Burks each ended their 10b5-1 trading plans, which had been set up partly to pay income tax on granted stock, the company said.

A prearranged 10b5-1 trading plan lets company insiders set up a program in advance for stock transactions and proceed with them even if he or she comes into possession of material non-public information.

(The Company disclosed that its $55 million Term Loan Facility with Fortis Bank has been classified as a current obligation per FASB reporting requirements because the Company did not meet certain requirements of its term loan debt covenants.)

Trinidad project was running full steam ahead during the third quarter. Three of our vessels, the Gulmar Condor, Seamec III, and the Crossmar 14 are still currently working there for BP.


Oh.But didn't The Persistence go down there to Search(map the ocean floor) for Natalee? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 03:57:52 PM
TWO SHIPS

Kyle Kingsman was unware that the original plans for the Natalee Holloway undertaking  included TWO SHIPS.

++++++++


FOX ONLINE - JAMIE COLBY
July 15, 2007


COLBY:  Tim, why are they (Arubans) standing in your way?

MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."


DANA PRETZER
June 8, 2007


MILLER:  How can you put a timeline on it but you know with the size of these ships, the technology that we're going over there with, we're optimistic. These ships  are actually equipped (inaudible) incredible company that's offering these services and again we're going to be interviewing them next week and it's something we've been wanting to make happen, for somebody to step forward. I've been talking to them since December ....

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/06/08/the-dana-pretzer-show-friday-june-8th-2007-special-guests-tim-miller-robert-peters-janice-smolinski/

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Rob
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #480 on: March 20, 2008, 09:14:32 PM »


Kyle, I have a question.

Initially when the search was announced there was indication that TWO ships were going to be used.

One 265 feet and the other 340 feet. How could those ships be justified when the Persistence was 'over kill'?

In fact many people blogged about the size of these ships and wonder if it was economically feasible. Was there a re-direct in which ship(s) would be used?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367237#msg367237


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #484 on: March 20, 2008, 09:27:54 PM »


First, WOW I haven't heard anything about two ships, or ships of that size being used in the search. I don't know where this information came from.  The Persistence was the right boat for the job.  Let me explain over kill.  Over kill was when we were finished using the capabilities intrinsic to the Persistence.  This includes a geophysical suite, namely side scan sonar, magnetometer, and bathymetric mapping abilities.  Once this portion of the work was complete, we no longer needed these capabilities. The information that came out early on about these tw boats you mentioned... I have not seen... and I was involved in the planning.
 
There was a re-direct in which ship would be used before the Persistence.  I'm unsure of the boat that was to be used, but it withdrew at the last minute during mobilization if I'm not mistaken.  If memory serves, it was a similar size to the Persistence.  I'm sure someone here within minutes of the posting will correct me and post all the information on the boat.  It may have been the Apache.  Not sure.  Either way, the Persistence was just right for the job.  However, it isn't a ROV boat even though we used a small inspection class ROV with it.  It also lacks a dynamic positioning system enabling it to "hover" over a fixed position using bow and stern thrusters.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367241;topicseen#msg367241


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 04:05:07 PM
I am pretty danged sure the original two ships were owned by Superior Offshore, and were stationed in T&T for that project they had.

That the ships were going to come from T&T, after the project was completed, and detour thru Aruba.

I'm not sure if we ever heard about why the sudden change in plans - or why/how those new plans included the Persistence.

Especially when those two Superior ships already posessed the necessary equipment and personnel for this type of a "search".

"We and Cross Logistics also have entered into a time charter for the Crossmar XIV pursuant to which we are currently providing diving personnel, dive equipment, an ROV and project supervision to the vessel in connection with our Trinidad project through the end of November 2007."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 04:05:42 PM
The Persistence was long gone and ... John Silvetti was still reaching out for donations under the guise of seaching for Natalee Holloway's remains.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount. So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found herI don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.msg625934#msg625934


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 04:09:01 PM
The above words of John Silvetti reeks deception.  His words downplay the significance of the trap/cage and ... implies the search for Natalee Holloway's remains is still on going and ... funds are required.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 04:11:40 PM
Boats owned by Superior Offshore:

Superior Endeavour Vanuatu Own 2004 (2) 10/2004 265 8,600 61 Yes(3) 50
Gulmar Falcon Panama Charter(4) 2006 04/2006 220 9,235 73 Yes(3) 30
Gulmar Condor Marshall Charter(5) 2006 07/2007 341 10,764 128 Yes(3) 120/70
Islands
Adams Surveyor Bahrain Charter(6) 2007 03/2007 228 5,084 54 No(7) 45
Toisa Puma Liberia Charter( 2007 - 253 4,672 60 Yes(3) 25
Seamec III India Charter(9) 2007 07/2007 304 5,124 90 Yes(3) 50/10
Four-Point Vessels:
Gulf Diver III U.S. Own 2003 09/2003 165 1,034 36 No 10
Gulf Diver IV (10) U.S. Own 2005 - 168 2,880 43 No 15
Gulf Diver V U.S. Own 2005 03/2006 180 3,330 23 No 15
Gulf Diver VI U.S. Own 2006 09/2006 166 2,890 38 No 15
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Boats in Trinidad as of November 2007:

Gulmar Condor, Seamec III, and the Crossmar 14


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 04:13:45 PM
The above words of John Silvetti reeks deception.  His words downplay the significance of the trap/cage and ... implies the search for Natalee Holloway's remains is still on going and ... funds are required.

Janet


Not only deception Janet, it's called FRAUD.

Even IF that couldn't have been proven at the time - how about now?

Now that no further "search" has transpired - meantime................what happened to all the donations for this specific search that were made after March 1, 2008?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 04:16:10 PM
The above words of John Silvetti reeks deception.  His words downplay the significance of the trap/cage and ... implies the search for Natalee Holloway's remains is still on going and ... funds are required.

Janet


Not only deception Janet, it's called FRAUD.

Even IF that couldn't have been proven at the time - how about now?

Now that no further "search" has transpired - meantime................what happened to all the donations for this specific search that were made after March 1, 2008?

You are too kind Janet!What they have done is so ethically,as well as morally reprehensible.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 04:22:37 PM
The above words of John Silvetti reeks deception.  His words downplay the significance of the trap/cage and ... implies the search for Natalee Holloway's remains is still on going and ... funds are required.

Janet


Not only deception Janet, it's called FRAUD.

Even IF that couldn't have been proven at the time - how about now?

Now that no further "search" has transpired - meantime................what happened to all the donations for this specific search that were made after March 1, 2008?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I can only hope that all of this "fraud" falls under the jurisdiction of the United States.  I pray that there is an investigation going on behind the scenes by the FBI in regards to the happenings encompassing the deception of the Persistence undertaking ... an investigation that we are not aware of.

The questioning by the FBI of Kyle Kingsman, Tim Trahan, John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer would go a long ways on the road to revealing the truth.

jen ... I do believe a "Monkey" document with all the research that you and other Monkeys have been doing in regards to this topic is where it is at just in case the "powers that be" in the US have not been clued in.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 06, 2009, 04:25:06 PM
Aruba is ordering the closure of the Dutch liason office.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/06-aruba-vertegenwoordiging.gif)

this office is used by the Dutch secret service and navy to keep an eye on Venezuela.

but Aruba suspect it's also used for espionage on Aruba itself.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52435.php

more fall-out from the 'espionage-row' between Aruba and The Netherlands:

several Dutch members of parliament are asking the state secretary and the justice minister question.

state secretary Bijleveld will answer these questions on Monday and she already started an investigation into the leaking of the internal report.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52436.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 04:28:16 PM
The above words of John Silvetti reeks deception.  His words downplay the significance of the trap/cage and ... implies the search for Natalee Holloway's remains is still on going and ... funds are required.

Janet


Not only deception Janet, it's called FRAUD.

Even IF that couldn't have been proven at the time - how about now?

Now that no further "search" has transpired - meantime................what happened to all the donations for this specific search that were made after March 1, 2008?

You are too kind Janet!What they have done is so ethically,as well as morally reprehensible.

Those who do not do right because it is right are often motivated to do right out of fear for the legal/personal consequences.

My eldest son claims today at 37 years of age that ... why back when he was teenage ... the boundaries of expections were only adhered to because the consequences established by his "controlling" parents were not worth the risk.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: sharon on February 06, 2009, 04:32:29 PM
Interesting timing.

http://www.smallcapinvestor.com/smallcapnews/movers/2007-11-16-superior_offshore_international_narrows_q3_profit_sinks_to_52week_low

Superior Offshore International narrows Q3 profit, sinks to 52-week low


Alex Alexandrov | Nov 16, 2007 12:36pm EST |

Shares of Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP) have submerged to a new 52-week low on news after the close on Thursday that provider of subsea construction and commercial diving services narrowed its third-quarter profit.

Net income for the three months ended Sept. 30 was $3.6 million, or $0.14 per share, compared with a net income of $13.7 million, or $0.92 per share, a year earlier. Six analysts polled by Thomson Financial were expecting earnings of $0.30 per share.

The Houston-based company reported that revenues increased 17.2% to $75.5 million, beating Wall Street’s projections of $61.02 million. Revenues in the third quarter of 2006 were $64.4 million.

“During the third quarter of 2007, we realized improved vessel utilization as compared with the first half of the year,” said president and CEO James Mermis in a statement. “All of our dynamically positioned vessels are currently under hire, except for [one], which is in dry dock until early December 2007.”

However, Superior Offshore had to temporarily dry-dock two vessels during the third-quarter, a move which negatively affected its earnings. The company also attributed the profit decline to softening demand for call-out diving services.

Three of Superior Offshore’s vessels are currently involved with British Petroleum’s gas procession platform off the coast of the Caribbean country Trinidad & Tobago. Work on the project is expected to wrap up by the end of 2007.

The third-quarter also saw the company purchase Ocean Flow International, LLC, a subsea engineering and project management firm, for about $15 million. The stock-for-stock transaction is expected to close by the end of November, Superior Offshore said.

At 12:31 p.m. ET, shares of Superior Offshore International (DEEP) had sunk $1.44, or 17%, to $7.16. The previous 52-week low of $8.10 was established on Nov. 15, while the 52-week high of $19.58 was set on May 4.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 04:33:17 PM
The above words of John Silvetti reeks deception.  His words downplay the significance of the trap/cage and ... implies the search for Natalee Holloway's remains is still on going and ... funds are required.

Janet


Not only deception Janet, it's called FRAUD.

Even IF that couldn't have been proven at the time - how about now?

Now that no further "search" has transpired - meantime................what happened to all the donations for this specific search that were made after March 1, 2008?

You are too kind Janet!What they have done is so ethically,as well as morally reprehensible.

Those who do not do right because it is right are often motivated to do right out of fear for the legal/personal consequences.

My eldest son claims today at 37 years of age that ... why back when he was teenage ... the boundaries of expections were only adhered to because the consequences established by his "controlling" parents were not worth the risk.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

 

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 04:33:24 PM
I hope many of our "prodical" Monkeys are ready this thread and ... thinking carefully.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: sharon on February 06, 2009, 04:35:19 PM
This part was free.


http://www.techagreements.com/agreement-preview.aspx?num=334579&title=Superior%20Offshore%20International%20-%20Form%20of%20Employment%20Agreement%20-%20Louis%20E.%20Schaefer,%20JR.


Form of Employment Agreement - Louis E. Schaefer, JR.
Parties: Superior Offshore International
Sectors: Energy
Governing Law:  Texas

Exhibit 10.1 EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT THIS EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT (" Agreement" ) is made by and between Superior Offshore International, Inc., a Delaware corporation (" Company" ), and Louis E. Schaefer, Jr. (" Executive" ). W I T N E S S E T H: WHEREAS, Executive is currently employed by the Company; and WHEREAS, Company is desirous of employing Executive in an executive capacity on the terms and conditions, and for the consideration, hereinafter set forth and Executive is desirous of being so employed by Company on such terms and conditions and for such consideration; WHEREAS, Company and Executive expect to enter into a Restricted Stock Agreement (the " Restricted Stock Agreement" ) pursuant to the Superior Offshore International, Inc. 2007 Stock Incentive Plan prior to the consummation of an underwritten public offering of the Company' s common stock (the " Initial Public Offering" ); NOW, THEREFORE, for and in consideration of the mutual promises, covenants and obligations contained herein, Company and Executive agree as follows: ARTICLE 1: EMPLOYMENT AND DUTIES 1.1 Employment; Effective Date. Effective as of April 1, 2007 (the " Effective Date" ), and continuing for the period of time set forth in Article 2 of this Agreement, Company agrees to employ Executive and Executive agrees to be employed by Company, subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement. 1.2 Positions. From and after the Effective Date, Company shall employ Executive in the position of Chairman of the Board of Directors of Company, or in such other positions as the parties mutually may agree. 1.3 Duties and Services. Executive agrees to serve in the position referred to in paragraph 1.2 and to perform diligently and to the best of his abilities the duties and services appertaining to such offices, as well as such additional duties and services appropriate to such offices which the parties mutually may agree upon from time to time. Executive' s employment shall also be subject to the policies maintained and established by Company that are of general applicability to Company' s executive employees, as such policies may be amended from time to time. 1.4 Other Interests. Executive agrees, during the period of his employment by Company, to devote his primary business time, energy and best efforts to the business and affairs of Company and its affiliates. The parties recognize and agree that Executive may engage in other business activities that do not conflict with the business and affairs of Company or interfere with Executive' s performance of his duties hereunder. 1.5 Duty of Loyalty. Executive acknowledges and agrees that Executive owes a fiduciary duty of loyalty to act at all times in the best interests of Company. In keeping with such duty, Executive shall make full disclosure to Company of all business opportunities pertaining to Company' s business and shall not appropriate for Executive' s own benefit business opportunities concerning Company' s business. 1.6 Place of Employment. Executive' s performance of services under this Agreement shall be rendered in Houston, Texas, subject to necessary travel requirements of Executive' s position and duties hereunder. Executive understands and agrees that he may be required to periodically travel to, among other locations, the Company' s current headquarter office in Lafayette, Louisiana. Executive shall not be required to relocate to a location that is more than 50 miles from Houston, Texas without Executive' s consent to such relocation. ARTICLE 2: TERM AND TERMINATION OF EMPLOYMENT 2.1 Term. Unless sooner terminated pursuant to other provisions hereof, Company agrees to employ Executive for the period beginning on the Effective Date and ending on April 30, 2009 (the " Initial Expiration Date" ); provided, however, that beginning on the Initial Expiration Date, and on each anniversary of the Initial Expiration Date thereafter, if this Agreement has not been terminated pursuant to paragraph 2.2 or 2.3, then said term of employment shall automatically be extended for an additional one-year period unless on or before the date that is 90 days prior to the first day of any such extension period either party shall give written notice to the other that no such automatic extension shall occur. 2.2 Company' s Right to Terminate. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph 2.1, Company shall have the right to terminate Executive' s employment under this Agreement at any time for any of the following reasons: (i) upon Executive' s death; (ii) upon Executive' s becoming incapacitated by accident, sickness or other circumstance which, in the opinion of a physician selected by Company, renders him mentally or physically incapable of performing the duties and services required of him hereunder (" Disability" ); (iii) for cause, which for purposes of this Agreement shall mean Executive (A) has willfully breached any of his duties and obligations hereunder resulting in materially adverse consequences to Company or any of its affiliates, (B) has misappropriated funds or property of Company or any of its affiliates, or (C) has engaged in conduct that is materially adverse to the interests of Company or any of its affiliates (each referred to hereinafter as " Cause" ); or (iv) for any other reason whatsoever, in the sole discretion of the Board of Directors of Company (the " Board of Directors" ).

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2.3 Executive' s Right to Terminate. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph 2.1, Executive shall have the right to terminate his employment under this Agreement for any of the following reasons: (i) within 60 days of and in connection with or based upon (A) a material breach by Company of any material provision of this Agreement, (B) a material reduction in title of the Executive set forth in paragraph 1.2 without Executive' s consent to such reduction or (C) any requirement that Executive relocate in violation of paragraph 1.6 (each referred to hereinafter as " Good Reason" ); provided, however, that, prior to Executive' s termination of employment under this paragraph 2.3(i), Executive must give written notice to Company of any such breach, reduction or requirement and such breach, reduction or requirement must remain uncorrected for 20 days following such written notice; (ii) at any time after there is a Change in Control (as such term is defined in paragraph 6.1); or (iii) at any time for any other reason whatsoever, in the sole discretion of Executive. 2.4 Notice of Termination. If Company or Executive desires to terminate Executive' s employment hereunder at any time prior to expiration of the term of employment as provided in paragraph 2.1, it or he shall do so by giving written notice to the other party that it or he has elected to terminate Executive' s employment hereunder and stating the effective date and reason for such termination, provided that no such action shall alter or amend any other provisions hereof or rights arising hereunder. ARTICLE 3: COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS 3.1 Base Salary. During the period of this Agreement, Executive shall receive a minimum annual base salary of $550,000. Executive' s annual base salary shall be reviewed by the Board of Directors (or a committee thereof) on an annual basis, and, in the sole discretion of the Board of Directors (or such committee), such annual base salary may be increased, but not decreased, effective as of January 1 of each year. Executive' s annual base salary shall be paid in equal installments in accordance with the Company' s standard policy regarding payment of compensation to executives but no less frequently than monthly. 3.2 Incentive Compensation. Executive shall be eligible to receive incentive compensation in such amounts and on such terms as shall be determined in the sole discretion of the Board of Directors (or a committee thereof). 3.3 Other Perquisites. During his employment hereunder, Executive shall be afforded the following benefits as incidences of his employment: (i) Business and Entertainment Expenses - Subject to Company' s standard policies and procedures with respect to expense reimbursement as applied to its executive employees generally, Company shall reimburse Executive for, or pay on behalf of Executive, reasonable and appropriate expenses incurred by Executive for business

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related purposes, including dues and fees to industry and professional organizations and costs of entertainment and business development. (ii) Car Allowance - Company shall provide to Executive an automobile or automobile allowance as approved by the Chief Executive Officer or the Board of Directors (or a committee thereof). Notwithstanding anything in this Agreement to the contrary, any such reimbursement shall be made no later than March 15 of the calendar year following the calendar year in which such reimbursable expenses were incurred. (iii) Life Insurance - Company shall provide and pay the premiums for a term life insurance, convertible, and renewable, on the life of Executive at a face amount not less than twice the amount of Executive' s annual base salary. Executive shall have the right to designate the beneficiary or beneficiaries of such term life insurance policy. Company shall provide Executive with additional cash compensation at the end of each calendar year to fully offset taxes attributable to Executive as a result of payment of the life insurance premiums by the Company. (iv) Tax and Estate Planning Advice - Company shall pay for or reimburse the costs of tax and estate planning advice for Executive, including the costs of preparing estate planning and wealth preservation documents for Executive and his spouse, up to a maximum of $25,000 in any calendar year. Company shall provide Executive with additional cash compensation at the end of each calendar year to fully offset taxes attributable to Executive as a result of payment of such tax and estate planning advice by the Company. Notwithstanding anything in this Agreement to the contrary, any such reimbursement shall be made no later than March 15 of the calendar year following the calendar year in which such reimbursable expenses were incurred. (v) Other Company Benefits - Executive and, to the extent applicable, Executive' s spouse, dependents and beneficiaries, shall be allowed to participate in all benefits, plans and programs, including improvements or modifications of the same, which are now, or may hereafter be, available to other executive employees of Company. Such benefits, plans and programs shall include, without limitation, any profit sharing plan, thrift plan, health insurance or health care plan, life insurance, disability insurance, pension plan, supplemental retirement plan, vacation and sick leave plan, and the like which may be maintained by Company. Company shall not, however, by reason of this paragraph be obligated to institute, maintain, or refrain from changing, amending, or discontinuing, any such benefit plan or program, so long as such changes are similarly applicable to executive employees generally. ARTICLE 4: PROTECTION OF INFORMATION 4.1 Disclosure to Executive. Company shall disclose to Executive, or place Executive in a position to have access to or develop, trade secrets or confidential information of Company or its affiliates; and/or shall entrust Executive with business opportunities of Company or its affiliates; and/or shall place Executive in a position to develop business good will on behalf of Company or its affiliates.

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4.2 Property of Company. All documents, drawings, memoranda, notes, records, files, correspondence, manuals, models, specifications, computer programs, e-mail, voice mail, electronic databases, maps, and all other writings or materials of any type embodying any information relating to Company or its business are and shall be the sole and exclusive property of Company. Upon termination of Executive' s employment by Company, for any reason, Executive promptly shall deliver the same, and all copies thereof, to Company; provided, however, that Executive may retain any Company supplied cellular telephones in his possession at the time of such termination but Company shall be entitled to immediately discontinue the cellular service for such telephones upon such termination of employment. 4.3 No Unauthorized Use or Disclosure. Executive will not, at any time during or after Executive' s employment by Company, make any unauthorized disclosure of any confidential business information or trade secrets of Company or its affiliates, or make any use thereof, except in the carrying out of Executive' s employment responsibilities hereunder. Affiliates of the Company shall be third party beneficiaries of Executive' s obligations under this paragraph. As a result of Executive' s employment by Company, Executive may also from time to time have access to, or knowledge of, confidential business information or trade secrets of third parties, such as customers, suppliers, partners, joint venturers, and the like, of Company and its affiliates. Executive also agrees to preserve and protect the confidentiality of such third party confidential information and trade secrets to the same extent, and on the same basis, as Company' s confidential business information and trade secrets. 4.4 Remedies. Executive acknowledges that money damages would not be sufficient remedy for any breach of this Article by Executive, and Company shall be entitled to specific performance and injunctive relief as remedies for such breach or any threatened breach. Such remedies shall not be deemed the exclusive remedies for a breach of this Article, but shall be in addition to all remedies available at law or in equity to Company, including the recovery of damages from Executive. ARTICLE 5: NONCOMPETITION OBLIGATIONS 5.1 In General. As part of the consideration for the compensation and benefits to be paid to Executive hereunder; to protect the trade secrets and confidential information of Company and its affiliates that have been and will in the future be disclosed or entrusted to Executive, the business good will of Company and its affiliates that has been and will in the future be developed in Executive, or the business opportunities that have been and will in the future be disclosed or entrusted to Executive by Company and its affiliates; and as an additional incentive for Company to enter into this Agreement, Company and Executive agree to the noncompetition obligations hereunder. Executive shall not, directly or indirectly for Executive or for others, in the State of Texas and in all parishes of the State of Louisiana and in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico: (i) engage in any business competitive with the business conducted by Company during the term of employment of Executive in such states; or (ii) render advice or services to, be employed by, acquire an ownership interest in, or otherwise assist, any other person, association, or entity who is engaged, directly or

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indirectly, in any business competitive with the business conducted by Company during the term of employment of Executive in such states with respect to such competitive business, except that Executive may hold up to 2% of the outstanding shares of any publicly held company engaged in such competitive activities.The noncompetition obligations set forth above shall apply only during the period that Executive is employed by Company and for one year thereafter. 5.2 Enforcement and Remedies. Executive acknowledges that money damages would not be sufficient remedy for any breach of this Article by Executive, and Company shall be entitled to specific performance and injunctive relief as remedies for such breach or any threatened breach. Such remedies shall not be deemed the exclusive remedies for a breach of this Article, but shall be in addition to all remedies available at law or in equity to Company, including, without limitation, the recovery of damages from Executive. 5.3 Reformation. It is expressly understood and agreed that Company and Executive conside ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 04:36:32 PM
I hope many of our "prodical" Monkeys are ready this thread and ... thinking carefully.

Janet

They must remember.These are not Kermit's words!Kermit is providing the proof,as well as evidence.They can't dispute it.Period.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: sharon on February 06, 2009, 04:39:41 PM
Sorry for reposting. I hilited the wrong area

jen



Interesting timing.

http://www.smallcapinvestor.com/smallcapnews/movers/2007-11-16-superior_offshore_international_narrows_q3_profit_sinks_to_52week_low

Superior Offshore International narrows Q3 profit, sinks to 52-week low


Alex Alexandrov | Nov 16, 2007 12:36pm EST |

Shares of Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP) have submerged to a new 52-week low on news after the close on Thursday that provider of subsea construction and commercial diving services narrowed its third-quarter profit.

Net income for the three months ended Sept. 30 was $3.6 million, or $0.14 per share, compared with a net income of $13.7 million, or $0.92 per share, a year earlier. Six analysts polled by Thomson Financial were expecting earnings of $0.30 per share.

The Houston-based company reported that revenues increased 17.2% to $75.5 million, beating Wall Street’s projections of $61.02 million. Revenues in the third quarter of 2006 were $64.4 million.

“During the third quarter of 2007, we realized improved vessel utilization as compared with the first half of the year,” said president and CEO James Mermis in a statement. “All of our dynamically positioned vessels are currently under hire, except for [one], which is in dry dock until early December 2007.”

However, Superior Offshore had to temporarily dry-dock two vessels during the third-quarter, a move which negatively affected its earnings. The company also attributed the profit decline to softening demand for call-out diving services

Three of Superior Offshore’s vessels are currently involved with British Petroleum’s gas procession platform off the coast of the Caribbean country Trinidad & Tobago. Work on the project is expected to wrap up by the end of 2007.

The third-quarter also saw the company purchase Ocean Flow International, LLC, a subsea engineering and project management firm, for about $15 million. The stock-for-stock transaction is expected to close by the end of November, Superior Offshore said.

At 12:31 p.m. ET, shares of Superior Offshore International (DEEP) had sunk $1.44, or 17%, to $7.16. The previous 52-week low of $8.10 was established on Nov. 15, while the 52-week high of $19.58 was set on May 4.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 04:42:38 PM
http://www.techagreements.com/agreement-preview.aspx?num=334579&title=Superior%20Offshore%20International%20-%20Form%20of%20Employment%20Agreement%20-%20Louis%20E.%20Schaefer,%20JR.


Form of Employment Agreement - Louis E. Schaefer, JR.
Parties: Superior Offshore International
Sectors: Energy
Governing Law:  Texas




"Executive understands and agrees that he may be required to periodically travel to, among other locations, the Company' s current headquarter office in Lafayette, Louisiana."

Tell me Schaeffer and Silvetti haven't done business before.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 06, 2009, 04:43:12 PM
surprise... (not)

Hans Mos is leaving Aruba this summer

highest boss at the Dutch OM Hans Brouwer, offered him two positions in The Netherlands.
it is certain the Mos will accept one postition.

http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/283362/Hoofdofficier-Mos-weg-bij-OM-Aruba.html

so then another chief public prosecutor will come to Aruba.
and the whole dog and pony show can start all over again...  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 06, 2009, 04:49:13 PM
(http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00604/hans_mos_604425i.jpg)
A Heckuva Job  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: sharon on February 06, 2009, 04:56:00 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS97613+28-Jan-2008+PRN20080128


Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:00am EST   
Superior Offshore International Announces Appointment of E. Donald Terry as
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer

HOUSTON, Jan. 28 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Superior Offshore
International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP) today announced that its Board of Directors
has unanimously approved the appointment of E. Donald Terry, currently an
independent director of Superior Offshore, as the Company's Interim President
and Chief Executive Officer until a successor is named, effective immediately.
Mr. Terry's appointment followed James J. Mermis' resignation as President,
Chief Executive Officer and a director of the Company.  Mr. Mermis plans to
join Kaplan Industry as its President of Technical Operations.
   
James L. Persky, Superior Offshore's independent Chairman of the Board,
said, "Don Terry is the natural choice to lead Superior Offshore during this
interim period.  Don comes to Superior Offshore with a wealth of operational
and leadership expertise earned during his 45 years in the subsea construction
and commercial diving industry.  His extensive experience in our industry
gives him immediate insight into the business and operations of Superior
Offshore and the needs and expectations of our customers.  He has a solid
track record of helping companies successfully take advantage of new
opportunities while addressing current challenges."
   
Louis E. Schaefer, Jr., Superior Offshore's founder and largest
shareholder, said, "I am extremely pleased that Don Terry has agreed to lead
Superior Offshore.  Don has successfully founded, grown and managed a number
of subsea construction and commercial diving companies and, as a current
independent director, he is already familiar with the Company and its
customers and dedicated employees.  I am confident that Don will provide
Superior Offshore with leadership and stability and I fully support his
appointment as interim CEO."

Mr. Terry said, "I am honored that the Board has selected me to lead
Superior Offshore on an interim basis, and I am excited about Superior
Offshore's significant strengths and dedicated employees.  Working with the
Superior Offshore team, I am fully committed to continuing the Company's focus
on operational excellence and superior customer service and I will work to
grow the Company and deliver value to our shareholders."
   
About E. Donald Terry
Mr. Terry has over 45 years of experience in the subsea construction and
commercial diving industry.  Mr. Terry has been an independent director of
Superior Offshore since April 2007.   During 2003, Mr. Terry was a consultant
for Horizon Offshore, Inc., a provider of marine construction services. From
1998 to 2000, Mr. Terry was Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board
of Terry Offshore, Inc., an offshore energy services company. From 1995 to
1998, Mr. Terry was Worldwide General Manager of McDermott Underwater
Services, a marine underwater engineering and construction company. From 1992
to 1995, Mr. Terry was Vice President of Offshore Pipelines, Inc., a marine
engineering and construction company. From 1988 to 1992, Mr. Terry was
President and Chief Operating Officer and a director of Offshore Petroleum
Divers, Inc., an offshore commercial diving company, which he co-founded in
1988. From 1979 to 1988, Mr. Terry served in a number of capacities with Cal
Dive International Inc., an offshore commercial diving company, including as
President and Chief Operating Officer from 1985 to 1988, Vice President --
Americas from 1981 to 1985, and a director from 1979 to 1988.
   
About Superior Offshore International, Inc.
Superior Offshore is a leading provider of subsea construction and
commercial diving services to the offshore oil and gas industry, serving
operators internationally and domestically in the outer continental shelf of
the U.S. Gulf of Mexico. Construction services include installation, upgrading
and decommissioning of pipelines and production infrastructure. Commercial
diving services include inspection, maintenance and repair services and
support services for subsea construction and salvage operations. The company
also operates a construction/fabrication division. Superior Offshore operates
a fleet of nine service vessels and provides remotely operated vehicles (ROVs)
and saturation diving systems for deepwater and harsh environment operations.
   
Forward-Looking Statement   
Certain statements contained in this news release are forward-looking
statements. All statements other than statements of historical fact are, or
may be deemed to be, forward-looking statements.  Forward-looking statements
by their nature involve substantial risks and uncertainties that could
significantly affect expected results, and actual future results could differ
materially from those described in such statements. Although it is not
possible to identify all factors, we continue to face many risks and
uncertainties. Some of the factors that could cause actual future results to
differ materially are described under the caption "Risk Factors" in our
Prospectus, dated April 19, 2007 and filed with the Securities and Exchange
Commission ("SEC") on April 20, 2007, and our other filings with the SEC,
which may be obtained by visiting the Investor Relations section of our
website under "Financial Information" at http://www.superioroffshore.com or
from the SEC's website at http://www.sec.gov.
   
Contacts:
    Superior Offshore International
    Roger Burks, Executive VP & CFO
    roger.burks@superioroffshore.com
    713-910-1875

    DRG&E
    Ken Dennard
    ksdennard@drg-e.com
    713-529-6600

SOURCE  Superior Offshore International, Inc.

Roger Burks, Executive VP & CFO of Superior Offshore International,
+1-713-910-1875, roger.burks@superioroffshore.com; or Ken Dennard of DRG&E,
+1-713-529-6600, ksdennard@drg-e.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 05:01:32 PM
http://www.techagreements.com/agreement-preview.aspx?num=334579&title=Superior%20Offshore%20International%20-%20Form%20of%20Employment%20Agreement%20-%20Louis%20E.%20Schaefer,%20JR.


Form of Employment Agreement - Louis E. Schaefer, JR.
Parties: Superior Offshore International
Sectors: Energy
Governing Law:  Texas




"Executive understands and agrees that he may be required to periodically travel to, among other locations, the Company' s current headquarter office in Lafayette, Louisiana."

Tell me Schaeffer and Silvetti haven't done business before.....

That's precisely what we need to find, IMO.

That's why I posted the names of the boats Superior owned.............just maybe looking at ownership history might get us somewhere?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 05:03:47 PM
Janet - I'm not ignoring your suggestion, I promise.

I just think there is still info to ferret out first.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 05:18:12 PM
Janet - I'm not ignoring your suggestion, I promise.

I just think there is still info to ferret out first.  ::MonkeyCool::

Your expertise my friend!   Then when you consider the input of all these Monkey's who have been been researching this topic ... it would be a as Nancy Grace would say ... A BOMSHELL!!!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 05:20:04 PM
http://www.techagreements.com/agreement-preview.aspx?num=334579&title=Superior%20Offshore%20International%20-%20Form%20of%20Employment%20Agreement%20-%20Louis%20E.%20Schaefer,%20JR.


Form of Employment Agreement - Louis E. Schaefer, JR.
Parties: Superior Offshore International
Sectors: Energy
Governing Law:  Texas




"Executive understands and agrees that he may be required to periodically travel to, among other locations, the Company' s current headquarter office in Lafayette, Louisiana."

Tell me Schaeffer and Silvetti haven't done business before.....

That's precisely what we need to find, IMO.

That's why I posted the names of the boats Superior owned.............just maybe looking at ownership history might get us somewhere?

This was only a few months before they left.Sure it doesn't mean much.

http://www.jdsilvetti.com/images/07links/entryformF.pdf

Superior Offshore looks to be a sponsor...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 05:20:05 PM
Dang, too bad I had to be away for a while.  I have a bunch of links saved in it's own folder in my Favorites for Schaefer & Silvetti.

This one gives an idea when some of the boats were purchased by Superior Offshore:

Superior Offshore International LLC, offshore services industry, specialized in commercial diving and salvage. Superior Offshore International is celebrating 20 years in the offshore services industry. Louis Schaefer Jr., owner and president, began the company as Superior Offshore Services which specialized in commercial diving and salvage. Highly regarded in the Gulf Coast oil and gas industry, Louis recognized the need for more “diver-friendly” products and began to develop new underwater technologies and diving techniques. As a result, Louis began a sister-company, named Superior Diving Company in1995. Superior Diving Company expanded its offshore services through the acquisition of two new service vessels by purchasing the Gulf Diver III, a 165 ft, 30-ton capable, multiple-purpose vessel. In 2005, Superior Diving purchased the Superior Endeavour, a 265 ft, DPII classed ship. In December 2005, Superior Offshore Services and Superior Diving Company were unified under its new name, Superior Offshore International to better reflect both company’s expanded core capabilities and customer base. Superior Offshore International will continue to strive to become the industry leader in the worldwide energy industry. Superior Offshore International is scheduled to expand its offshore service fleet in 2006 through the acquisition of the Gulf Diver IV and the Gulf Diver V.
Superior Offshore International LLC Subsea Tags: Superior Offshore International LLC Lafayette, USA, offshore services, Superior Offshore Services, Superior Diving, Diving Services, Vessels, Navigational Aids, Construction/Fabrication

http://www.subsea.org/company/listdetails.asp?companyid=1916


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 05:26:28 PM
http://www.techagreements.com/agreement-preview.aspx?num=334579&title=Superior%20Offshore%20International%20-%20Form%20of%20Employment%20Agreement%20-%20Louis%20E.%20Schaefer,%20JR.


Form of Employment Agreement - Louis E. Schaefer, JR.
Parties: Superior Offshore International
Sectors: Energy
Governing Law:  Texas




"Executive understands and agrees that he may be required to periodically travel to, among other locations, the Company' s current headquarter office in Lafayette, Louisiana."

Tell me Schaeffer and Silvetti haven't done business before.....

That's precisely what we need to find, IMO.

That's why I posted the names of the boats Superior owned.............just maybe looking at ownership history might get us somewhere?

This was only a few months before they left.Sure it doesn't mean much.

http://www.jdsilvetti.com/images/07links/entryformF.pdf

Superior Offshore looks to be a sponsor...

Here's a connection for ya!


• Lafayette, Louisiana Area
• Oil & Energy Frank Donovan
Director of Marketing at The Silvetti Group
View full profile | Contact Frank Donovan

Currently: Director of Marketing at The Silvetti Group

Past: Sr. Recruiter at Cal Dive International; Account Manager at Superior Offshore Services  

Education: Ozarka Vo Tech; Coastal School of Diving




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 05:28:20 PM
This may be a repeat.   

*****************

Costs Wave Rocks Superior Offshore
18 May 2007


US deep-water construction and subsea services group Superior Offshore saw first quarter earnings fall as it was forced to shell out on vessel charters and equipment rentals due to the drydocking for maintenance of the Superior Endeavour.

The company managed to boost its revenue during the period by providing services using third-party equipment, but the gains were offset by higher rental, labour and insurance costs.

Superior also said its available vessels saw lower utilisation rates than in the year-ago period, when customers paid higher rates to engage vessels to repair damage in the wake of hurricanes Kathrina and Rita.

The company said its first quarter was usually a low-activity period due to harsh weather in the Gulf of Mexico.

Superior reported net earnings of $6.2m, or 42¢ a share, compared with $11.9m, or 80¢ a share, in the first quarter of 2005.

Revenues for the period rose to $54.3m from $49.4m previously.

The company saw income from operations fall to $9m from $18.7m previously as costs rose.

The company said it was also working to expand its operations internationally after winning a contract to provide services to a major project off Trinidad, starting in mid-June.

http://www.offshore-technology.com/news/news1399.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 05:28:24 PM
http://www.techagreements.com/agreement-preview.aspx?num=334579&title=Superior%20Offshore%20International%20-%20Form%20of%20Employment%20Agreement%20-%20Louis%20E.%20Schaefer,%20JR.


Form of Employment Agreement - Louis E. Schaefer, JR.
Parties: Superior Offshore International
Sectors: Energy
Governing Law:  Texas




"Executive understands and agrees that he may be required to periodically travel to, among other locations, the Company' s current headquarter office in Lafayette, Louisiana."

Tell me Schaeffer and Silvetti haven't done business before.....

That's precisely what we need to find, IMO.

That's why I posted the names of the boats Superior owned.............just maybe looking at ownership history might get us somewhere?

This was only a few months before they left.Sure it doesn't mean much.

http://www.jdsilvetti.com/images/07links/entryformF.pdf

Superior Offshore looks to be a sponsor...

Here's a connection for ya!


• Lafayette, Louisiana Area
• Oil & Energy Frank Donovan
Director of Marketing at The Silvetti Group
View full profile | Contact Frank Donovan

Currently: Director of Marketing at The Silvetti Group

Past: Sr. Recruiter at Cal Dive International; Account Manager at Superior Offshore Services  

Education: Ozarka Vo Tech; Coastal School of Diving




Frank Donovan’s Experience
Director of Marketing
The Silvetti Group
(Oil & Energy industry)

April 2008 — Present (11 months)

Responsible for overseeing the Sales & Marketing Group, as we move the company forward. Establishing our company as a brand name within the energy industry, and cross selling to untapped sources are two of several responsibilities of my position. The institution and development of a CRM program has been a "pet" project of mine since I joined the company.

Sr. Recruiter
Cal Dive International
(Public Company; 501-1000 employees; Oil & Energy industry)

December 2005 — February 2008 (2 years 3 months)

Corporate Recruiter - Tasked with full cycle recruiting of Dive/Tenders, Vessel Captains and Engineers, Administrative Personnel, etc. Recruiting methods included Data Mining, On-Site Recruiting at 11 Dive Schools and 2 Maritime Academies.

Account Manager
Superior Offshore Services
(Privately Held; 51-200 employees; Oil & Energy industry)

June 2004 — December 2005 (1 year 7 months)

Account Manager
Cal Dive International
(Public Company; 501-1000 employees; Oil & Energy industry)

January 1999 — June 2004 (5 years 6 months)

Account Manager
Acadiana Divers & Salvage, Inc.
(Privately Held; 51-200 employees; Oil & Energy industry)

December 1981 — January 1999 (17 years 2 months)

Postal Clerk
United States Navy
(Government Agency; 10,001 or more employees; USN; Military industry)

July 1978 — June 1981 (3 years)

Started out non-rated, was able to become a PC Striker then a 3rd class.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 05:31:45 PM
http://www.techagreements.com/agreement-preview.aspx?num=334579&title=Superior%20Offshore%20International%20-%20Form%20of%20Employment%20Agreement%20-%20Louis%20E.%20Schaefer,%20JR.


Form of Employment Agreement - Louis E. Schaefer, JR.
Parties: Superior Offshore International
Sectors: Energy
Governing Law:  Texas




"Executive understands and agrees that he may be required to periodically travel to, among other locations, the Company' s current headquarter office in Lafayette, Louisiana."

Tell me Schaeffer and Silvetti haven't done business before.....

That's precisely what we need to find, IMO.

That's why I posted the names of the boats Superior owned.............just maybe looking at ownership history might get us somewhere?

This was only a few months before they left.Sure it doesn't mean much.

http://www.jdsilvetti.com/images/07links/entryformF.pdf

Superior Offshore looks to be a sponsor...

As does Cal Dive.  Wasn't that one of the places Terry worked before becoming Superior's new President?

About E. Donald Terry
Mr. Terry has over 45 years of experience in the subsea construction and
commercial diving industry.  Mr. Terry has been an independent director of
Superior Offshore since April 2007.   During 2003, Mr. Terry was a consultant
for Horizon Offshore, Inc., a provider of marine construction services. From
1998 to 2000, Mr. Terry was Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board
of Terry Offshore, Inc., an offshore energy services company. From 1995 to
1998, Mr. Terry was Worldwide General Manager of McDermott Underwater
Services, a marine underwater engineering and construction company. From 1992
to 1995, Mr. Terry was Vice President of Offshore Pipelines, Inc., a marine
engineering and construction company. From 1988 to 1992, Mr. Terry was
President and Chief Operating Officer and a director of Offshore Petroleum
Divers, Inc., an offshore commercial diving company, which he co-founded in
1988. From 1979 to 1988, Mr. Terry served in a number of capacities with Cal
Dive International Inc., an offshore commercial diving company, including as
President and Chief Operating Officer from 1985 to 1988
, Vice President --
Americas from 1981 to 1985, and a director from 1979 to 1988.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 05:34:03 PM
http://www.techagreements.com/agreement-preview.aspx?num=334579&title=Superior%20Offshore%20International%20-%20Form%20of%20Employment%20Agreement%20-%20Louis%20E.%20Schaefer,%20JR.


Form of Employment Agreement - Louis E. Schaefer, JR.
Parties: Superior Offshore International
Sectors: Energy
Governing Law:  Texas




"Executive understands and agrees that he may be required to periodically travel to, among other locations, the Company' s current headquarter office in Lafayette, Louisiana."

Tell me Schaeffer and Silvetti haven't done business before.....

That's precisely what we need to find, IMO.

That's why I posted the names of the boats Superior owned.............just maybe looking at ownership history might get us somewhere?

This was only a few months before they left.Sure it doesn't mean much.

http://www.jdsilvetti.com/images/07links/entryformF.pdf

Superior Offshore looks to be a sponsor...

Here's a connection for ya!


• Lafayette, Louisiana Area
• Oil & Energy Frank Donovan
Director of Marketing at The Silvetti Group
View full profile | Contact Frank Donovan

Currently: Director of Marketing at The Silvetti Group

Past: Sr. Recruiter at Cal Dive International; Account Manager at Superior Offshore Services  

Education: Ozarka Vo Tech; Coastal School of Diving




Frank Donovan’s Experience
Director of Marketing
The Silvetti Group
(Oil & Energy industry)

April 2008 — Present (11 months)

Responsible for overseeing the Sales & Marketing Group, as we move the company forward. Establishing our company as a brand name within the energy industry, and cross selling to untapped sources are two of several responsibilities of my position. The institution and development of a CRM program has been a "pet" project of mine since I joined the company.

Sr. Recruiter
Cal Dive International
(Public Company; 501-1000 employees; Oil & Energy industry)

December 2005 — February 2008 (2 years 3 months)

Corporate Recruiter - Tasked with full cycle recruiting of Dive/Tenders, Vessel Captains and Engineers, Administrative Personnel, etc. Recruiting methods included Data Mining, On-Site Recruiting at 11 Dive Schools and 2 Maritime Academies.

Account Manager
Superior Offshore Services
(Privately Held; 51-200 employees; Oil & Energy industry)

June 2004 — December 2005 (1 year 7 months)

Account Manager
Cal Dive International
(Public Company; 501-1000 employees; Oil & Energy industry)

January 1999 — June 2004 (5 years 6 months)

Account Manager
Acadiana Divers & Salvage, Inc.
(Privately Held; 51-200 employees; Oil & Energy industry)

December 1981 — January 1999 (17 years 2 months)

Postal Clerk
United States Navy
(Government Agency; 10,001 or more employees; USN; Military industry)

July 1978 — June 1981 (3 years)

Started out non-rated, was able to become a PC Striker then a 3rd class.


Woo-hoo!!  And round and round we go!!

Seems Cal Dive is a key pivot point for and between these two companies.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 06, 2009, 05:36:29 PM
Great digging, Monkeys!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 05:37:31 PM
Great digging, Monkeys!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE...NOTHING MORE.NOTHING LESS ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 05:49:14 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

Magnolia ... I spilled V8 juice on my sweater.

I hand-washed it and ... towel-dried it.  However ... it is still damp.  Can you quickly knit me another one so I can alternate.  Maybe this one could a 3/4 length Indian (Native PC) coat sweater.  The colors would go so good with a couple of brown pants that I enjoy wearing.

Hugs

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 05:50:46 PM
http://www.silvettigroup.com/stjudescore07.html

Superior Offshore International
Matt Todd 49 Gary Ellis 44 David Schilling 49 Chet Broussard 67  


Alternative Positioning Solutions, LLC
Glen Malone 39 DJ Mallet 63 Aaron Priest 49 Marc Broussard 27  

Are they related?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 06, 2009, 05:55:17 PM
I think that Tim Trahan is a connection to both Silvetti and
Schaefer to CalDive.  I don't think Trahan is such a common name.

 
 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 05:58:27 PM
http://www.silvettigroup.com/stjudescore07.html

Superior Offshore International
Matt Todd 49 Gary Ellis 44 David Schilling 49 Chet Broussard 67  


Alternative Positioning Solutions, LLC
Glen Malone 39 DJ Mallet 63 Aaron Priest 49 Marc Broussard 27  

Are they related?

http://www.iberianet.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/news/news00.txt


"Marc Broussard, project manager for the Silvetti Group, said the company normally performs surveys looking for oil rigs and downed helicopters. Now, it will be using its high-resolution SONAR equipment to look for a body."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 05:59:33 PM
http://www.silvettigroup.com/stjudescore07.html

Superior Offshore International
Matt Todd 49 Gary Ellis 44 David Schilling 49 Chet Broussard 67  


Alternative Positioning Solutions, LLC
Glen Malone 39 DJ Mallet 63 Aaron Priest 49 Marc Broussard 27  

Are they related?

http://www.iberianet.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/news/news00.txt


"Marc Broussard, project manager for the Silvetti Group, said the company normally performs surveys looking for oil rigs and downed helicopters. Now, it will be using its high-resolution SONAR equipment to look for a body."


I must credit the voice of reason for the article in iberianet.com... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 06, 2009, 06:02:03 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

Magnolia ... I spilled V8 juice on my sweater.

I hand-washed it and ... towel-dried it.  However ... it is still damp.  Can you quickly knit me another one so I can alternate.  Maybe this one could a 3/4 length Indian (Native PC) coat sweater.  The colors would go so good with a couple of brown pants that I enjoy wearing.

Hugs

Janet

Janet, I would be happy to do so......lickty split.
I have finished San's hat.

You can wash your first one in the washer in cold water.
Then fold a towel and put it over a hanger and fold the sweater
and put over the towel and hang over a heat vent.  Turn
the sweater over the next day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on February 06, 2009, 06:05:05 PM
Aruba is ordering the closure of the Dutch liason office.
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/06-aruba-vertegenwoordiging.gif)

this office is used by the Dutch secret service and navy to keep an eye on Venezuela.

but Aruba suspect it's also used for espionage on Aruba itself.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52435.php

more fall-out from the 'espionage-row' between Aruba and The Netherlands:

several Dutch members of parliament are asking the state secretary and the justice minister question.

state secretary Bijleveld will answer these questions on Monday and she already started an investigation into the leaking of the internal report.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52436.php



Thanks caesu, can they do that?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 06:06:22 PM
You getting this all Johan? ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 06, 2009, 06:07:57 PM
surprise... (not)

Hans Mos is leaving Aruba this summer

highest boss at the Dutch OM Hans Brouwer, offered him two positions in The Netherlands.
it is certain the Mos will accept one postition.

http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/283362/Hoofdofficier-Mos-weg-bij-OM-Aruba.html

so then another chief public prosecutor will come to Aruba.
and the whole dog and pony show can start all over again...  ::MonkeyConfused::

No, I don't believe it will all start over again.  Mos was sent to shut this case down and he will do that before he leaves.  That is what Aruba dictates at this point.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 06:11:53 PM
Superior Offshore plans permanent presence - Trinidad & Tobago
Published: Friday, August 17, 2007 13:27 (GMT -0400)

By David Casallas / Business News Americas
Houston-based offshore oil and gas construction and diving services company Superior Offshore International (Nasdaq: DEEP) plans to establish a perman...


 ::MonkeyWink::
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



SEPTEMBER 30, 2007: Revenues for the three months ended September 30, 2007 were $75.5 million compared with $64.4 million for the three months ended
September 30, 2006, an increase of $11.1 million


NOVEMBER 2007 LOUIS SCHAEFER SELLS HIS STOCK:
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.84
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.82
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.80
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 187 $8.75
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 125 $8.74
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.72
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.71
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 658 $8.70
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.69
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.68
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.64
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.60
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.50
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.42
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.34
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.23
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.22
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.17


FEBRUARY 1, 2008 Superior is reorganizing & in a cash flow crunch.
http://tinyurl.com/55995b



FEBRUARY 29 LAWSUIT ANNOUNCED ON SCHAEFFER'S COMPANY BY A LAW FIRM IN LOUISIANA
http://au.us.biz.yahoo.com/iw/080229/0368776.html

March 1, 2008 LegallyLex Posted at BFN - about the Persistence leaving and needing more money

SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL INC. NT 10-K, 4/1/2008, 12/31/2007, View this filing in your web browser with section navigation. ...
www.edgar-online.com/brand/CreditRisk/search/?sym=DEEP


On May 8, 2008, the Company filed a motion with the Court for authority to sell a
12-Man 300 meter skid-mounted saturation diving system and related
equipment to Global Industries Offshore LLC (“Global”) for a cash payment
of $6,750,000.00









Look at the chart for the stock ::MonkeyEek:: They ALWAYS knew it was a POS stock and left the shareholders holding the crap....

(http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg246/chrysti756/deepq1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 06, 2009, 06:14:40 PM
O.K. you all have lost me.

All I want to know right now is why Jossy said Eduardo was on that ship the entire time and Jossy was helping Caps chase the elusive pond witnesses. 

Which was it, the cage in the ocean or the ponds?

NOW I have to catch up with you folks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 06:16:03 PM
Quote
Hi Kermit~long time Natalee lurker, just now starting to post, yet I STAND with the Frog too!. Anyway, I was looking into Geolabs on the bloomberg and saw only one that USED to be publicly traded, and has since been acquired by Dessau-soprin.......is this a different Geolab than the one discussed earlier, and if so, was that a private company.
 I couldn't find a listing in Houston a Geolab, only precision geo. Thanks

IM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4477.260

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/movers_index_ibov.html

Hi IM

It looks like a different company to me.

CANADA - Dessau-Soprin Inc acquired GeoLab Inc, a provider of environmental management, geotechnics, and materials and quality engineering services.
http://www.alacrastore.com/storecontent/Thomson_M&A/Dessau_Soprin_Inc_acquires_GeoLab_Inc-2027853040


Lawsuit by Ellen Brodsky is against Superior Offshore International - Louis E. Schaefer
for violation of the federal securities laws.


Schaefer sold or otherwise disposed of over 1.725 million shares of his Superior Offshore stock for proceeds of $25.87 million


here is the case filing:
http://tinyurl.com/4o4zwz

Defendants:
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL, INC.,
LOUIS E. SCHAEFER, JR., JAMES J. MERMIS,
PATRICE CHEMIN, ROGER D. BURKS, R.
JOSHUA KOCH, JR., E. DONALD TERRY,
LEON CODRON, THOMAS B. COLEMAN,
JAMES L. PERSKY, ERIC N. SMITH, MERRILL
LYNCH, PIERCE, FENNER & SMITH
INCORPORATED and J.P. MORGAN
SECURITIES INC.,


Beginning on August 14, 2007 -- after defendants and other Company insiders liquidated over $49 million of their personally held shares -- Superior Offshore revealed the truth about the Company, including that the problems existing at the time of the IPO would result in extremely disappointing results for the foreseeable near-term, and would force defendants to reorganize and transform the Company. Later, on November 14, 2007, shares again declined after defendants belatedly revealed that the Company was operating even below its recently revised forecasts, and that its core business was operating even worse than previously disclosed. On January 9, 2008, the Company announced that it was suspending its prior substantially downward revised guidance.

Following these belated disclosures, shares of Superior Offshore fell from their offering price of $15 per share to approximately $3.50 per share as a direct result of defendants' belated disclosures

 



on April 23 they received a delisting notice from NASDAQ

HOUSTON , April 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP) (the "Company") today announced that it received a delisting notice from the Nasdaq&apos;s Listing Qualifications Department citing the Company&apos;s failure to timely file its Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2007 (the "Form 10-K") in accordance with the filing requirements for continued listing set forth in Marketplace Rule 4310(c)(14). The notice indicates that the Company&apos;s common stock is subject to delisting from The Nasdaq Stock Market at the opening of business on April 28, 2008 , unless the Company requests a hearing in accordance with the Nasdaq Marketplace Rules. The Company does not intend to request such a hearing.
 
on April 24 they all stepped down
 
Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:30pm EDT
 

Superior Offshore International Announces Resignation of Certain Directors and
Officers and Appointment of Director and Chief Restructuring Officer

HOUSTON, April 24 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Superior Offshore
International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP) (the "Company") today announced that James
Perskey, Leon Codron and E. Donald Terry have resigned from the Company's
board of directors.  Mr. Terry also resigned as the Company's president and
chief executive officer.  Thomas E. Damon has resigned as the Company's
executive vice president and chief financial officer, and Steven J. Singer has
resigned as the Company's executive vice president and general counsel.  Wayne
M. Rose has resigned as the Company's senior vice president - commercial and
David Weinhoffer has been terminated as the Company's executive vice
president; however Mr. Rose and Mr. Weinhoffer each have been rehired by the
Company to assist in the wind-down process.
    The Company's board of directors has appointed H. Malcolm Lovett, Jr. as a
director and as its chief restructuring officer.  In that capacity, Mr. Lovett
will perform the duties and assume the responsibilities of the president of
the Company.
    Strategic Capital Corporation, a company controlled by Mr. Lovett, has
been engaged to provide financial advisory and restructuring services to the
Company.
    As a result of the resignations of the directors and officers described
above and the appointment of Mr. Lovett as a director and chief restructuring
officer, the Company's board of directors currently consists of Mr. Lovett and
Eric Smith, and Mr. Lovett is the only executive officer of the Company.
    Company has ceased all ongoing operations other than those deemed
necessary to ensure (i) the public safety; (ii) the health and safety of the
Company's employees; and (iii) an orderly transition of certain projects to
its customers.  All of the Company's employees have been terminated except for
those necessary to assist in the wind-down of the Company's affairs.
     Contact:
     Superior Offshore International, Inc.
     713-910-1875
SOURCE  Superior Offshore International, Inc.

Superior Offshore International, Inc., +1-713-910-1875

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS282987+24-Apr-2008+PRN20080424
 
On April 25 they filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
 
Friday April 25, 5:30 pm ET

HOUSTON, April 25 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP - News; the "Company") today announced that it filed a voluntary petition under Chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy Code (the "Bankruptcy Code"), in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of Texas (the "Court") (Case No. 08-32590-H2-11). The Company will continue to operate its business as "debtor in possession" under the jurisdiction of the Court in accordance with the applicable provisions of the Bankruptcy Code and orders of the Court.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 06:16:15 PM
O.K. you all have lost me.

All I want to know right now is why Jossy said Eduardo was on that ship the entire time and Jossy was helping Caps chase the elusive pond witnesses. 

Which was it, the cage in the ocean or the ponds?

NOW I have to catch up with you folks.

We'll be here when you get here. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 06, 2009, 06:16:44 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

Magnolia ... I spilled V8 juice on my sweater.

I hand-washed it and ... towel-dried it.  However ... it is still damp.  Can you quickly knit me another one so I can alternate.  Maybe this one could a 3/4 length Indian (Native PC) coat sweater.  The colors would go so good with a couple of brown pants that I enjoy wearing.

Hugs

Janet

Janet, I would be happy to do so......lickty split.
I have finished San's hat.

You can wash your first one in the washer in cold water.
Then fold a towel and put it over a hanger and fold the sweater
and put over the towel and hang over a heat vent.  Turn
the sweater over the next day.

Oh goody because it sure has been cold here for the past few days.

And I caught a cold because I went to work without a hat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 06, 2009, 06:20:33 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

Magnolia ... I spilled V8 juice on my sweater.

I hand-washed it and ... towel-dried it.  However ... it is still damp.  Can you quickly knit me another one so I can alternate.  Maybe this one could a 3/4 length Indian (Native PC) coat sweater.  The colors would go so good with a couple of brown pants that I enjoy wearing.

Hugs

Janet

Janet, I would be happy to do so......lickty split.
I have finished San's hat.

You can wash your first one in the washer in cold water.
Then fold a towel and put it over a hanger and fold the sweater
and put over the towel and hang over a heat vent.  Turn
the sweater over the next day.

Oh goody because it sure has been cold here for the past few days.

And I caught a cold because I went to work without a hat.

I can make you another one with ear flaps.  I  have my own
goat now.  Kermit brought him from Greenland!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 06, 2009, 06:23:16 PM
The Persistence was long gone and ... John Silvetti was still reaching out for donations under the guise of seaching for Natalee Holloway's remains.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount. So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found herI don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.msg625934#msg625934


Damn, they used Natalee, Beth and Dave and Tim Miller.  This was never about Natalee.  They sold them out to the Dutch on that hell island called Aruba.  They found Natalee and trading her off to the Dutch in exchange for shady oil deals around the world. JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 06, 2009, 06:25:15 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

Magnolia ... I spilled V8 juice on my sweater.

I hand-washed it and ... towel-dried it.  However ... it is still damp.  Can you quickly knit me another one so I can alternate.  Maybe this one could a 3/4 length Indian (Native PC) coat sweater.  The colors would go so good with a couple of brown pants that I enjoy wearing.

Hugs

Janet

Janet, I would be happy to do so......lickty split.
I have finished San's hat.

You can wash your first one in the washer in cold water.
Then fold a towel and put it over a hanger and fold the sweater
and put over the towel and hang over a heat vent.  Turn
the sweater over the next day.

Oh goody because it sure has been cold here for the past few days.

And I caught a cold because I went to work without a hat.

I can make you another one with ear flaps.  I  have my own
goat now.  Kermit brought him from Greenland!

I like flaps  ::MonkeyHaHa::  What is your goats name.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 06, 2009, 06:26:18 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

Magnolia ... I spilled V8 juice on my sweater.

I hand-washed it and ... towel-dried it.  However ... it is still damp.  Can you quickly knit me another one so I can alternate.  Maybe this one could a 3/4 length Indian (Native PC) coat sweater.  The colors would go so good with a couple of brown pants that I enjoy wearing.

Hugs

Janet

Janet, I would be happy to do so......lickty split.
I have finished San's hat.

You can wash your first one in the washer in cold water.
Then fold a towel and put it over a hanger and fold the sweater
and put over the towel and hang over a heat vent.  Turn
the sweater over the next day.

Oh goody because it sure has been cold here for the past few days.

And I caught a cold because I went to work without a hat.

I can make you another one with ear flaps.  I  have my own
goat now.  Kermit brought him from Greenland!

I like flaps  ::MonkeyHaHa::  What is your goats name.

Behave you two.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 06:26:53 PM
Superior Offshore plans permanent presence - Trinidad & Tobago
Published: Friday, August 17, 2007 13:27 (GMT -0400)

By David Casallas / Business News Americas
Houston-based offshore oil and gas construction and diving services company Superior Offshore International (Nasdaq: DEEP) plans to establish a perman...


 ::MonkeyWink::
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



SEPTEMBER 30, 2007: Revenues for the three months ended September 30, 2007 were $75.5 million compared with $64.4 million for the three months ended
September 30, 2006, an increase of $11.1 million


NOVEMBER 2007 LOUIS SCHAEFER SELLS HIS STOCK:
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.84
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.82
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.80
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 187 $8.75
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 125 $8.74
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.72
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.71
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 658 $8.70
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.69
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.68
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.64
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.60
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.50
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.42
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.34
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.23
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.22
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.17


FEBRUARY 1, 2008 Superior is reorganizing & in a cash flow crunch.
http://tinyurl.com/55995b



FEBRUARY 29 LAWSUIT ANNOUNCED ON SCHAEFFER'S COMPANY BY A LAW FIRM IN LOUISIANA
http://au.us.biz.yahoo.com/iw/080229/0368776.html

March 1, 2008 LegallyLex Posted at BFN - about the Persistence leaving and needing more money

SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL INC. NT 10-K, 4/1/2008, 12/31/2007, View this filing in your web browser with section navigation. ...
www.edgar-online.com/brand/CreditRisk/search/?sym=DEEP


On May 8, 2008, the Company filed a motion with the Court for authority to sell a
12-Man 300 meter skid-mounted saturation diving system and related
equipment to Global Industries Offshore LLC (“Global”) for a cash payment
of $6,750,000.00









Look at the chart for the stock ::MonkeyEek:: They ALWAYS knew it was a POS stock and left the shareholders holding the crap....

(http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg246/chrysti756/deepq1.jpg)

That is exactly what I thought too when we started researching this.

AND you'll find that these oil companies are all intertwined in some way or another through contracts.

I know I have read that there could be a reason for merging with European companies for tax purposes.
The European tax laws differ from U.S. so that may be another way to avoid taxes???? Not sure how it works
but in Europe they use a different incorporation then we do here.

My understanding is, if I own a company in the U.S. and I merge my company with tim-buck-two European country, then my taxes will fall under the tim-buck-two European taxes and I can pay less taxes in the U.S. or no taxes. Shifty little way to cheat the American tax system I surmise..






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 06:28:08 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

Magnolia ... I spilled V8 juice on my sweater.

I hand-washed it and ... towel-dried it.  However ... it is still damp.  Can you quickly knit me another one so I can alternate.  Maybe this one could a 3/4 length Indian (Native PC) coat sweater.  The colors would go so good with a couple of brown pants that I enjoy wearing.

Hugs

Janet

Janet, I would be happy to do so......lickty split.
I have finished San's hat.

You can wash your first one in the washer in cold water.
Then fold a towel and put it over a hanger and fold the sweater
and put over the towel and hang over a heat vent.  Turn
the sweater over the next day.

Oh goody because it sure has been cold here for the past few days.

And I caught a cold because I went to work without a hat.

I can make you another one with ear flaps.  I  have my own
goat now.  Kermit brought him from Greenland!


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

And a fine goat he is.

Maybe if Miss Magnolia has time, she can milk the goat and make Ms. Janet and her Mister some goats milk and cheese.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 06, 2009, 06:28:21 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

Magnolia ... I spilled V8 juice on my sweater.

I hand-washed it and ... towel-dried it.  However ... it is still damp.  Can you quickly knit me another one so I can alternate.  Maybe this one could a 3/4 length Indian (Native PC) coat sweater.  The colors would go so good with a couple of brown pants that I enjoy wearing.

Hugs

Janet

Janet, I would be happy to do so......lickty split.
I have finished San's hat.

You can wash your first one in the washer in cold water.
Then fold a towel and put it over a hanger and fold the sweater
and put over the towel and hang over a heat vent.  Turn
the sweater over the next day.

Oh goody because it sure has been cold here for the past few days.

And I caught a cold because I went to work without a hat.

I can make you another one with ear flaps.  I  have my own
goat now.  Kermit brought him from Greenland!

I like flaps  ::MonkeyHaHa::  What is your goats name.

His name is Blossom because he smells so nice.  I thought
of Kermit, but there can only be one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 06:29:40 PM
SAN!!!!

FLAPS!!!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 06:30:17 PM
Quote
Hi Kermit~long time Natalee lurker, just now starting to post, yet I STAND with the Frog too!. Anyway, I was looking into Geolabs on the bloomberg and saw only one that USED to be publicly traded, and has since been acquired by Dessau-soprin.......is this a different Geolab than the one discussed earlier, and if so, was that a private company.
 I couldn't find a listing in Houston a Geolab, only precision geo. Thanks

IM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4477.260

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/movers_index_ibov.html

Hi IM

It looks like a different company to me.

CANADA - Dessau-Soprin Inc acquired GeoLab Inc, a provider of environmental management, geotechnics, and materials and quality engineering services.
http://www.alacrastore.com/storecontent/Thomson_M&A/Dessau_Soprin_Inc_acquires_GeoLab_Inc-2027853040


Lawsuit by Ellen Brodsky is against Superior Offshore International - Louis E. Schaefer
for violation of the federal securities laws.


Schaefer sold or otherwise disposed of over 1.725 million shares of his Superior Offshore stock for proceeds of $25.87 million


here is the case filing:
http://tinyurl.com/4o4zwz

Defendants:
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL, INC.,
LOUIS E. SCHAEFER, JR., JAMES J. MERMIS,
PATRICE CHEMIN, ROGER D. BURKS, R.
JOSHUA KOCH, JR., E. DONALD TERRY,
LEON CODRON, THOMAS B. COLEMAN,
JAMES L. PERSKY, ERIC N. SMITH, MERRILL
LYNCH, PIERCE, FENNER & SMITH
INCORPORATED and J.P. MORGAN
SECURITIES INC.,


Beginning on August 14, 2007 -- after defendants and other Company insiders liquidated over $49 million of their personally held shares -- Superior Offshore revealed the truth about the Company, including that the problems existing at the time of the IPO would result in extremely disappointing results for the foreseeable near-term, and would force defendants to reorganize and transform the Company. Later, on November 14, 2007, shares again declined after defendants belatedly revealed that the Company was operating even below its recently revised forecasts, and that its core business was operating even worse than previously disclosed. On January 9, 2008, the Company announced that it was suspending its prior substantially downward revised guidance.

Following these belated disclosures, shares of Superior Offshore fell from their offering price of $15 per share to approximately $3.50 per share as a direct result of defendants' belated disclosures

 



on April 23 they received a delisting notice from NASDAQ

HOUSTON , April 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP) (the "Company") today announced that it received a delisting notice from the Nasdaq&apos;s Listing Qualifications Department citing the Company&apos;s failure to timely file its Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2007 (the "Form 10-K") in accordance with the filing requirements for continued listing set forth in Marketplace Rule 4310(c)(14). The notice indicates that the Company&apos;s common stock is subject to delisting from The Nasdaq Stock Market at the opening of business on April 28, 2008 , unless the Company requests a hearing in accordance with the Nasdaq Marketplace Rules. The Company does not intend to request such a hearing.
 
on April 24 they all stepped down
 
Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:30pm EDT
 

Superior Offshore International Announces Resignation of Certain Directors and
Officers and Appointment of Director and Chief Restructuring Officer

HOUSTON, April 24 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Superior Offshore
International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP) (the "Company") today announced that James
Perskey, Leon Codron and E. Donald Terry have resigned from the Company's
board of directors.  Mr. Terry also resigned as the Company's president and
chief executive officer.  Thomas E. Damon has resigned as the Company's
executive vice president and chief financial officer, and Steven J. Singer has
resigned as the Company's executive vice president and general counsel.  Wayne
M. Rose has resigned as the Company's senior vice president - commercial and
David Weinhoffer has been terminated as the Company's executive vice
president; however Mr. Rose and Mr. Weinhoffer each have been rehired by the
Company to assist in the wind-down process.
    The Company's board of directors has appointed H. Malcolm Lovett, Jr. as a
director and as its chief restructuring officer.  In that capacity, Mr. Lovett
will perform the duties and assume the responsibilities of the president of
the Company.
    Strategic Capital Corporation, a company controlled by Mr. Lovett, has
been engaged to provide financial advisory and restructuring services to the
Company.
    As a result of the resignations of the directors and officers described
above and the appointment of Mr. Lovett as a director and chief restructuring
officer, the Company's board of directors currently consists of Mr. Lovett and
Eric Smith, and Mr. Lovett is the only executive officer of the Company.
    Company has ceased all ongoing operations other than those deemed
necessary to ensure (i) the public safety; (ii) the health and safety of the
Company's employees; and (iii) an orderly transition of certain projects to
its customers.  All of the Company's employees have been terminated except for
those necessary to assist in the wind-down of the Company's affairs.
     Contact:
     Superior Offshore International, Inc.
     713-910-1875
SOURCE  Superior Offshore International, Inc.

Superior Offshore International, Inc., +1-713-910-1875

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS282987+24-Apr-2008+PRN20080424
 
On April 25 they filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
 
Friday April 25, 5:30 pm ET

HOUSTON, April 25 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP - News; the "Company") today announced that it filed a voluntary petition under Chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy Code (the "Bankruptcy Code"), in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of Texas (the "Court") (Case No. 08-32590-H2-11). The Company will continue to operate its business as "debtor in possession" under the jurisdiction of the Court in accordance with the applicable provisions of the Bankruptcy Code and orders of the Court.
 


Yes, it looks like it was......but the only Geolab I could find that was publicly traded was the one that was aquired, yet at one time it had to have been traded on the NASDAQ due to the symbol DEEP (4 letters or more are OTC, anything less is NYSE or AMEX)....also I took the chart and lawsuits from Bloomberg and posted it last page showing the chart of the stock, most brutal chart I've seen in 18yrs especially considering it was directly after the IPO ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 06:32:17 PM
His name is Blossom because he smells so nice.  I thought
of Kermit, but there can only be one.

Baaa!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 06, 2009, 06:35:09 PM
His name is Blossom because he smells so nice.  I thought
of Kermit, but there can only be one.

Baaa!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 06:36:22 PM
The Persistence was long gone and ... John Silvetti was still reaching out for donations under the guise of seaching for Natalee Holloway's remains.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount. So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found herI don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.msg625934#msg625934


Damn, they used Natalee, Beth and Dave and Tim Miller.  This was never about Natalee.  They sold them out to the Dutch on that hell island called Aruba.  They found Natalee and trading her off to the Dutch in exchange for shady oil deals around the world. JMO

In a nutshell I believe you are right on Blue Moon.

I believe that Louis Shaefer, John Silvetti and Tim Trahan also used Kyle Kingman.  Kyle had been very troubled in regards to the happenings encompass the discovery of the trap/cage and then the recovery of the contents.  However ... at some point in time ... Kyle Kingman became part of the deception when Louis Schaefer and Tim Trahan attempted to make money off the deception.  Logic dictates why John Silvetti wanted none of this expose.

Janet

____


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle: On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 06:36:47 PM


Yes, it looks like it was......but the only Geolab I could find that was publicly traded was the one that was aquired, yet at one time it had to have been traded on the NASDAQ due to the symbol DEEP (4 letters or more are OTC, anything less is NYSE or AMEX)....also I took the chart and lawsuits from Bloomberg and posted it last page showing the chart of the stock, most brutal chart I've seen in 18yrs especially considering it was directly after the IPO ::MonkeyNoNo::

You are certainly more qualified then I am in this area. Just when we started researching the lawsuit, things kept coming up that seemed like they filed illegal financial statements to the NASDAQ to make it appear as though the company was doing quite well. Then when they sold shares of stocks to the stockholders, they sold off their company shares and left the stockholders holding worthless stock. Right after selling off shares, Louis resigned from the company and bought that Bed & Breafast and a Fishing Charter boat if I recall correctly. Then he filed bankruptcy on that poor guys family Fishing Charter business. I think that guy thought Louis was bringing in needed money to enhance the family business. Just made me sad for that fishing Charter's family.

Just follow those lawsuits and you'll see a number of things that look unscrupulous, but I'm not an expert in that area.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 06, 2009, 06:39:12 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

Magnolia ... I spilled V8 juice on my sweater.

I hand-washed it and ... towel-dried it.  However ... it is still damp.  Can you quickly knit me another one so I can alternate.  Maybe this one could a 3/4 length Indian (Native PC) coat sweater.  The colors would go so good with a couple of brown pants that I enjoy wearing.

Hugs

Janet

Janet, I would be happy to do so......lickty split.
I have finished San's hat.

You can wash your first one in the washer in cold water.
Then fold a towel and put it over a hanger and fold the sweater
and put over the towel and hang over a heat vent.  Turn
the sweater over the next day.

Oh goody because it sure has been cold here for the past few days.

And I caught a cold because I went to work without a hat.

I can make you another one with ear flaps.  I  have my own
goat now.  Kermit brought him from Greenland!


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

And a fine goat he is.

Maybe if Miss Magnolia has time, she can milk the goat and make Ms. Janet and her Mister some goats milk and cheese.



I'll have to get another goat.  Blossom is a boy goat!  Can't milk him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 06:39:49 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

Magnolia ... I spilled V8 juice on my sweater.

I hand-washed it and ... towel-dried it.  However ... it is still damp.  Can you quickly knit me another one so I can alternate.  Maybe this one could a 3/4 length Indian (Native PC) coat sweater.  The colors would go so good with a couple of brown pants that I enjoy wearing.

Hugs

Janet

Janet, I would be happy to do so......lickty split.
I have finished San's hat.

You can wash your first one in the washer in cold water.
Then fold a towel and put it over a hanger and fold the sweater
and put over the towel and hang over a heat vent.  Turn
the sweater over the next day.

Thata girl.

I am so thankful that you are good at something.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 06:41:10 PM
In a nutshell I believe you are right on Blue Moon.

I believe that Louis Shaefer, John Silvetti and Tim Trahan also used Kyle Kingman.  Kyle had been very troubled in regards to the happenings encompass the discovery of the trap/cage and then the recovery of the contents.  However ... at some point in time ... Kyle Kingman became part of the deception when Louis Schaefer and Tim Trahan attempted to make money off the deception.  Logic dictates why John Silvetti wanted none of this expose.

Janet

____

My momma always taught me if someone tells you to jump off a bridge you do not do it!







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 06:43:09 PM


Yes, it looks like it was......but the only Geolab I could find that was publicly traded was the one that was aquired, yet at one time it had to have been traded on the NASDAQ due to the symbol DEEP (4 letters or more are OTC, anything less is NYSE or AMEX)....also I took the chart and lawsuits from Bloomberg and posted it last page showing the chart of the stock, most brutal chart I've seen in 18yrs especially considering it was directly after the IPO ::MonkeyNoNo::

You are certainly more qualified then I am in this area. Just when we started researching the lawsuit, things kept coming up that seemed like they filed illegal financial statements to the NASDAQ to make it appear as though the company was doing quite well. Then when they sold shares of stocks to the stockholders, they sold off their company shares and left the stockholders holding worthless stock. Right after selling off shares, Louis resigned from the company and bought that Bed & Breafast and a Fishing Charter boat if I recall correctly. Then he filed bankruptcy on that poor guys family Fishing Charter business. I think that guy thought Louis was bringing in needed money to enhance the family business. Just made me sad for that fishing Charter's family.

Just follow those lawsuits and you'll see a number of things that look unscrupulous, but I'm not an expert in that area.



Totally agree with you, I looked over 100's of their SEC filings today and I would LOVE to know who wrote the opinion letter when this company went public. They are equally responsible for leaving unsuspecting shareholders with this worthless stock.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 06:43:22 PM

I'll have to get another goat.  Blossom is a boy goat!  Can't milk him.

My mistake. I thought it was an utter.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 06:44:02 PM
Thank you Icehawk for my new suit.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2009, 06:46:26 PM
Thank you for the informative discussion today everyone, it was a welcomed change.

I'm off to catch some flies.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 06, 2009, 06:49:10 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

Magnolia ... I spilled V8 juice on my sweater.

I hand-washed it and ... towel-dried it.  However ... it is still damp.  Can you quickly knit me another one so I can alternate.  Maybe this one could a 3/4 length Indian (Native PC) coat sweater.  The colors would go so good with a couple of brown pants that I enjoy wearing.

Hugs

Janet

Janet, I would be happy to do so......lickty split.
I have finished San's hat.

You can wash your first one in the washer in cold water.
Then fold a towel and put it over a hanger and fold the sweater
and put over the towel and hang over a heat vent.  Turn
the sweater over the next day.

Oh goody because it sure has been cold here for the past few days.

And I caught a cold because I went to work without a hat.

I can make you another one with ear flaps.  I  have my own
goat now.  Kermit brought him from Greenland!


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

And a fine goat he is.

Maybe if Miss Magnolia has time, she can milk the goat and make Ms. Janet and her Mister some goats milk and cheese.



I'll have to get another goat.  Blossom is a boy goat!  Can't milk him.

OMG, this is FUNNY.  Mags, you are very sharp.   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 06, 2009, 06:51:44 PM

I'll have to get another goat.  Blossom is a boy goat!  Can't milk him.

My mistake. I thought it was an utter.



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 06:52:26 PM
In a nutshell I believe you are right on Blue Moon.

I believe that Louis Shaefer, John Silvetti and Tim Trahan also used Kyle Kingman.  Kyle had been very troubled in regards to the happenings encompassing the discovery of the trap/cage and then the recovery of the contents.  However ... at some point in time ... Kyle Kingman became one with Louis Schaefer and Tim Trahan in the attempt to make money off the deception.  Logic dictates why John Silvetti wanted none of this exposure.

Janet

____

My momma always taught me if someone tells you to jump off a bridge you do not do it!


I am praying that Kyle Kingman's professed faith will be the catalyst that will blow the deception of the Persistence undertaking wide open.  There will be related consequences for his participation in wrong doing but ... doing right is right ... it is not alway easy.  However ... the heavy burden of guilt will be lifted and ... the door will be open to allow forgiveness to take place.

In regards to receiving forgiveness ... the principle/example was established over 2000 years ago.

Janet

++++++

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 06:52:48 PM
Thank you for the informative discussion today everyone, it was a welcomed change.

I'm off to catch some flies.



Enjoy your "dinner". I always look forward to reading on the NH thread, and enjoy your insight and thoroughness ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 06, 2009, 06:54:29 PM
Greg fo**er:
Quote
You can milk just about anything with nipples.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 06, 2009, 06:56:00 PM
Thank you for the informative discussion today everyone, it was a welcomed change.

I'm off to catch some flies.



Enjoy your "dinner". I always look forward to reading on the NH thread, and enjoy your insight and thoroughness ::MonkeyCool::

Islandmonkey, have you got anything on CalDive out of Louisiana?
You have been a great help today.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 06, 2009, 06:58:48 PM
I guess no one saw "Meet the Parents"!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 07:00:01 PM
Thank you for the informative discussion today everyone, it was a welcomed change.

I'm off to catch some flies.



Enjoy your "dinner". I always look forward to reading on the NH thread, and enjoy your insight and thoroughness ::MonkeyCool::

Islandmonkey, have you got anything on CalDive out of Louisiana?
You have been a great help today.

Thanks, but you all are the most informative posters EVER~all I can do is research the stock/bond/financial end of things ::MonkeyTongue:: I didn't see anything on the Bloomberg about Caldive, but if it is publicly traded (which I doubt) it's possible that it's a subsidiary of a holding company thaand is trading by another name. When I am at the office again Monday I will get back on the Bloomberg and look around some more.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 07:01:01 PM
I guess no one saw "Meet the Parents"!  ::MonkeyCool::

I did, I was LMAO at that one wreck............


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 07:07:14 PM
Thank you for the informative discussion today everyone, it was a welcomed change.

I'm off to catch some flies.



Enjoy your "dinner". I always look forward to reading on the NH thread, and enjoy your insight and thoroughness ::MonkeyCool::

Islandmonkey, have you got anything on CalDive out of Louisiana?
You have been a great help today.

http://www.caldive.com/

Senior Leadership Team
Michael V. Ambrose, Senior Vice President- International Business Development Eastern Hemisphere
Steven J. Brazda, Senior Vice President- Western Hemisphere
Christopher W. Landry, Senior Vice President- Sales & Marketing Western Hemisphere
John A. Sokol, Senior Vice President- International Eastern Hemisphere
John Abadie, Vice President- Project Management & Construction Western Hemisphere
Charlie Boyle, Vice President- International Accounting & Supply Chain Management
Willam E. Breen, Vice President- Estimating & Proposals
Robert Cheves- Vice President- Latin America
John Dodson, Vice President- Accounting
Rebecca G. Gottsegen, Director- Human Resources
Jon Minshall,  Director- Quality
Allan Palmer, Vice President- Diving
Troy Pierce, Vice President- Environmental, Health and Safety
John Swinden, Vice President- Commercial & Business Development Eastern Hemisphere
Travis Trahan, Vice President- Personnel and Administration

Is it Travis or Tim?Father?Very interesting..It's all here Magnolia!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 06, 2009, 07:09:32 PM
Thank you for the informative discussion today everyone, it was a welcomed change.

I'm off to catch some flies.



Enjoy your "dinner". I always look forward to reading on the NH thread, and enjoy your insight and thoroughness ::MonkeyCool::

Islandmonkey, have you got anything on CalDive out of Louisiana?
You have been a great help today.

Thanks, but you all are the most informative posters EVER~all I can do is research the stock/bond/financial end of things ::MonkeyTongue:: I didn't see anything on the Bloomberg about Caldive, but if it is publicly traded (which I doubt) it's possible that it's a subsidiary of a holding company thaand is trading by another name. When I am at the office again Monday I will get back on the Bloomberg and look around some more.

Thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 07:10:07 PM
Everything you need IslandMonkey.Right here!

http://www.caldive.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 07:14:56 PM
Everything you need IslandMonkey.Right here!

http://www.caldive.com/


thanks, I can go in Monday and enter the symbol DVR and pull up ALL the filings, quarterly reports, annual reports and everything they have! I spent most of my day looking at DEEP's charts and lawsuite ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 07:17:17 PM
Everything you need IslandMonkey.Right here!

http://www.caldive.com/


thanks, I can go in Monday and enter the symbol DVR and pull up ALL the filings, quarterly reports, annual reports and everything they have! I spent most of my day looking at DEEP's charts and lawsuite ::cartwheel::

I believe they have all their SEC filings on the site!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 06, 2009, 07:18:56 PM
Everything you need IslandMonkey.Right here!

http://www.caldive.com/


thanks, I can go in Monday and enter the symbol DVR and pull up ALL the filings, quarterly reports, annual reports and everything they have! I spent most of my day looking at DEEP's charts and lawsuite ::cartwheel::

Thanks IslandMonkey, much appreciated.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 07:20:56 PM
Everything you need IslandMonkey.Right here!

http://www.caldive.com/


thanks, I can go in Monday and enter the symbol DVR and pull up ALL the filings, quarterly reports, annual reports and everything they have! I spent most of my day looking at DEEP's charts and lawsuite ::cartwheel::

I believe they have all their SEC filings on the site!

they do have them, but not as detailed as on the Bloomberg, I can get all the insider transactions from Edgar on the Bloomberg, it has more information than I could ever imagine the need to find out. It's a database that's enormous and goes back to the first day the stock traded (even if it was 1970!) so it gives alot more detail and other filings too! Thanks for the headsup on the site~it's well done!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 07:24:42 PM
Everything you need IslandMonkey.Right here!

http://www.caldive.com/


thanks, I can go in Monday and enter the symbol DVR and pull up ALL the filings, quarterly reports, annual reports and everything they have! I spent most of my day looking at DEEP's charts and lawsuite ::cartwheel::

I believe they have all their SEC filings on the site!

they do have them, but not as detailed as on the Bloomberg, I can get all the insider transactions from Edgar on the Bloomberg, it has more information than I could ever imagine the need to find out. It's a database that's enormous and goes back to the first day the stock traded (even if it was 1970!) so it gives alot more detail and other filings too! Thanks for the headsup on the site~it's well done!

Thanx IslandMonkey.I'm going to post another company for you.It looks like CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix Energy Solutions..They have their DVR on there Website.Will post the link!Again.Thanx.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 07:25:26 PM
Everything you need IslandMonkey.Right here!

http://www.caldive.com/


thanks, I can go in Monday and enter the symbol DVR and pull up ALL the filings, quarterly reports, annual reports and everything they have! I spent most of my day looking at DEEP's charts and lawsuite ::cartwheel::

Thanks IslandMonkey, much appreciated.

Thanks, although KTF found the site and from there I got their symbol and cusip #, so she/he just saved me quite a bit of searching, and with those 2 things I can find almost anything ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 07:28:51 PM
Everything you need IslandMonkey.Right here!

http://www.caldive.com/


thanks, I can go in Monday and enter the symbol DVR and pull up ALL the filings, quarterly reports, annual reports and everything they have! I spent most of my day looking at DEEP's charts and lawsuite ::cartwheel::

I believe they have all their SEC filings on the site!

they do have them, but not as detailed as on the Bloomberg, I can get all the insider transactions from Edgar on the Bloomberg, it has more information than I could ever imagine the need to find out. It's a database that's enormous and goes back to the first day the stock traded (even if it was 1970!) so it gives alot more detail and other filings too! Thanks for the headsup on the site~it's well done!

Thanx IslandMonkey.I'm going to post another company for you.It looks like CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix Energy Solutions..They have their DVR on there Website.Will post the link!Again.Thanx.



Thanks again.....I can type in the cusip and then HDS and it list EVERY shareholder.....we can see if any of the pond scum own chunks of it, unless they have it listed under a non specific trust.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 07:30:11 PM
http://www.helixesg.com/AboutHelix/WhereWeAre/tabid/90/Default.aspx

Corporate Locations
Corporate Headquarters
400 North Sam Houston Pkwy East
Houston, Texas 77060
T: (281) 618-0400
F: (281) 618-0500
Support Base (USA) Port of Iberia – Operations Base
1902 Diver Drive
New Iberia, Louisiana 70560
T: (337) 374-0001
F: (337) 369-1651
Canyon Offshore
5212 Brittmoore
Houston, Texas 77041
T: (713) 856-6010
F: (713) 856-6020
Canyon Offshore Singapore
Block 103, Unit 3 Box 5009
Loyang Offshore Supply Base
Loyang Cresent
Singapore 508988
T: +65 6-501-0130
F: +65 6-542-8675
Helix House
Kirkton Drive
Pitmedden Road Industrial Estate
Dyce Aberdeen AB21 0BG
United Kingdom
T: +44-(0)1224-351800
F: +44-(0)1224-351801
Helix B.V.
Rivium Quadrant 163
2909 L C Capelle aan den ljssel
The Netherlands
T: +31 (0)10 2884500
Helix RDS Pty Ltd.
Level 4, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth, WA 6005
T: +61-8-9215-0600
Helix RDS UK
Peregrin Road, Westhill Business Park
Aberdeen AB32 6JL, UK
T: +44-(0)1224-741400
 
Helix RDS Sdn Bhd.
Letter Box 26
5th Floor West Block
Wisma Selangor Dredging
142-C Jalan Ampang
50450 Kuala Lumpur
Malaysia
T: +60-3-2166-0255
Worldwide Offices
USA Corporate Offices
400 North Sam Houston Pkwy East
Houston, Texas 77060 USA
T: (281) 618-0400
Cal Dive
2500 Citywest Blvd.
Suite 2200
Houston, Texas 77042 USA
Canyon Offshore Corporate Office
5212 Brittmoore Rd.
Houston, Texas 77041 USA
T: (713) 856-6010
Support Base — Helix Port of Iberia
1902 Diver Dr.
New Iberia, Louisiana 70560 USA
T: (337) 374-0001
ERT Dallas
8201 Preston Rd.
Dallas, Texas 75225 USA
T: (972) 546-6500
Well Ops/Canyon UK — Helix House
Kirkton Drive
Pitmedden Industrial Estate
Dyce
Aberdeen, AB21 OBG
United Kingdom
T: +44-(0)1224-351800
Energy Resource Technology UK (Aberdeen)
Peregrine Road
Westhill Business Park
Aberdeen AB32 6JL
UK
T: +44-(0)1224-741400
Helix RDS (Aberdeen)
Peregrine Road
Westhill Business Park
Aberdeen AB32 6JL
UK
T: +44-(0)1224-741400
Helix RDS London
50 Eastbourne Terrace
Westminster
London W2 6LG
UK
T: +44-(0)20-7087-3800
Helix RDS Pty Ltd.
Level 4, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth, WA 6005
T: +61-8-9215-0600
Helix BV Rotterdam
Rivium Quadrant 163
2909 L C Capelle aan den Ijssel
The Netherlands
T: +31-(0)10-288-4500
Cal Dive International (Dubai)
PO Box 24902
Dubai
United Arab Emirates
T: 971-4-2679951
F: 971-4-2679952
Helix RDS Sdn. Bhd. (Malaysia)
Letter Box 26
5th Floor West Block
Wisma Selangor Dredging
142-C Jalan Ampang
50450 Kuala Lumpur
Malaysia
T: +60-3-2166-0255
Helix Energy Solutions (Singapore)
Block 103, Unit 3 Box 5009
Loyang Offshore Supply Base
Loyang Crescent
Singapore 50898
T: +65-6501-0130
Cal Dive Far East PTE, Limited
Loyang Offshore Supply Base
2 Aliwal Street #02-01
Singapore 199895
T: +65-6254-3866
F: +65-6254-8266
Helix RDS Perth
RDS Pty. Ltd
Level 4, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth WA 6005
T: +61-8-9215-0600
Well Ops (Sea) Pty. (Perth)
32 Polletti Rd
Cockburn Central Western Australia 6164
T: +618-9417-0400
Cal Dive International Pty Limited
10 Leeway Court Osborne Park
Perth, WA, 6017 Australia
T: +61-8-9446-9988
F:+61-8-9242-7966


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 06, 2009, 07:42:56 PM
Helix Enters Stock Sale Agreement with Cal Dive
HOUSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 25, 2009--Helix Energy Solutions Group, Inc. (NYSE:HLX) reports that it has entered into a definitive stock repurchase agreement with Cal Dive International, Inc. (NYSE:DVR), a majority-owned subsidiary, pursuant to which it will sell to Cal Dive 13,564,669 shares of Cal Dive's common stock for total consideration equal to $86,000,000 or $6.34 per share. The purchase price represents an approximate 2% discount to the 30 day average trading price of Cal Dive's common stock as of January 16, 2009. Helix expects to close the transaction in the near future and will use the proceeds of the sale for general corporate purposes. After the consummation of this transaction Helix will own 47,942,022 of the 93,946,409 shares of Cal Dive common stock outstanding such that Helix's ownership interest is reduced from approximately 57% to approximately 51% of Cal Dive.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 06, 2009, 07:48:52 PM
http://www.techagreements.com/agreement-preview.aspx?num=334579&title=Superior%20Offshore%20International%20-%20Form%20of%20Employment%20Agreement%20-%20Louis%20E.%20Schaefer,%20JR.


Form of Employment Agreement - Louis E. Schaefer, JR.
Parties: Superior Offshore International
Sectors: Energy
Governing Law:  Texas




"Executive understands and agrees that he may be required to periodically travel to, among other locations, the Company' s current headquarter office in Lafayette, Louisiana."

Tell me Schaeffer and Silvetti haven't done business before.....

That's precisely what we need to find, IMO.

That's why I posted the names of the boats Superior owned.............just maybe looking at ownership history might get us somewhere?

This was only a few months before they left.Sure it doesn't mean much.

http://www.jdsilvetti.com/images/07links/entryformF.pdf

Superior Offshore looks to be a sponsor...

D@mn sure does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Interesting ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 06, 2009, 07:49:39 PM
Rudy Croes has send two Dutch public prosecutors, including the chief public prosecutor Hans Mos, back to The Netherlands earlier than planned.

(earlier i mentioned Mos was resigning this summer, but now it becomes clearly that Rudy Croes is suspending both of them - what in fact means firing)

this is in response the very negative comments about the Aruban government and PG Pietersz in the leaked internal report from the Dutch government representation on Aruba (VNO)

Why precisely Hans Mos and Casper van der Schaft (the other public prosecutor) have to go is unknown.
it might be because of a sensitive corruption case involving politicians.

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2025318.ece/Aruba_stuurt_hoofdofficier_Mos_weg__.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 06, 2009, 08:10:55 PM
Rudy Croes has send two Dutch public prosecutors, including the chief public prosecutor Hans Mos, back to The Netherlands earlier than planned.

(earlier i mentioned Mos was resigning this summer, but now it becomes clearly that Rudy Croes is suspending both of them - what in fact means firing)

this is in response the very negative comments about the Aruban government and PG Pietersz in the leaked internal report from the Dutch government representation on Aruba (VNO)

Why precisely Hans Mos and Casper van der Schaft (the other public prosecutor) have to go is unknown.
it might be because of a sensitive corruption case involving politicians.

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2025318.ece/Aruba_stuurt_hoofdofficier_Mos_weg__.html



Fired...me???    ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/MosHansOM1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 06, 2009, 08:17:02 PM
Quote
Aruba sends home chief public prosecutor Hans Mos

Relations with The Netherlands damaged after report leaks out

Two Dutch public prosecutors on Aruba are send home early. Reason: remarks in a report of the Dutch representation on Aruba.


The Aruban justice minister Rudy Croes of the governing MEP party sent chief public prosecutor Hans Mos back to the Netherlands.

Public prosecutor Casper of of the Schaft must also leave Aruba. The politician man has to the formal power to suspend public prosecutors on Aruba which means in fact that he is firing them.

Mos said yesterday that at the latest he returns in the summer to the Netherlands. That is a year early than contractual it had been agreed. „I remain active in the Netherlands in another function at the Public Prosecution Service", said the chief public prosecutor, who didn't want to comment any further. Also public prosecutor Van der Schaft should have stayed for at least another year on the island.

Mos got after its arrival on Aruba in May 2007 involved with the investigation into the American girl Natalee Holloway. Her disappearance was then already ongoing for two years, but due to the -uncatchable- lead suspect Joran van der Sloot the Public Prosecution Service received criticism. The past months  it was however especially justice minister Croes who hot back. Public Prosecution Service requested him even to make no mare statements concerning the Holloway-case.

It come out yesterday that confidential information of the Dutch representation on Aruba come in hands of the Aruban government. In the leaked report charges were made against prime minister Oduber, ministers and a family member of Croes. Also according to the newspaper Amigoe the shortly appointed Procureur-General of Aruba, Robert Pietersz, was severely criticized. He is described as an 'oilman', who strives publicly for cooperation and calls minister Croes a unguided missile (...).

Croes now accuses The Netherlands of espionage. Prime minister Oduber has indicated that the relations with The Netherlands are irreparable damaged. Well informed sources suspect that the incident for Aruba was the final straw, and with sending home Mos and Van der Schaft is a retaliation


The reason why exactly these two have been sent away, is not clear. Possibly sending away Mos has do with a sensitive investigation into corruption under Aruban politicians.

Whether the report come purposely in the hands of Aruba is being investigated by State Secretary Bijleveld (Kingdom relations). Dutch governing political party The Christian Union is asking minister Hirsch Ballin for clarification.
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2025318.ece/Aruba_stuurt_hoofdofficier_Mos_weg__.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 06, 2009, 08:24:47 PM
i made a few spelling errors, i can't edit it.
but i am sure more articles will follow in the coming days.

keep an eye on Amigoe.
http://www.amigoe.com/english/

this is a very serious row between Aruba / Netherlands.
don't know how this is going to get cooled down.

i think Oduber / Croes will only cool it if The Netherlands fires or even arrests the Dutch representative on Aruba who wrote (and leaked) that report about Oduber / Croes + family and Pietersz.

maybe then Mos and Van der Schaft can stay on. i thinks can go back to status quo.
but i think Oduber is right when he talks about irreparable damage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 06, 2009, 08:32:02 PM
"Casper of the Shaft"??????  ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 06, 2009, 08:35:23 PM
yes, Van der Schaft.
those funny Dutch names. shouldn't be allowed to be translated in English.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

i laughed the most about Godfather R. the Freeze.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 06, 2009, 08:37:34 PM
yes, Van der Schaft.
those funny Dutch names. shouldn't be allowed to be translated in English.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

i laughed the most about Godfather R. the Freeze.
Which is worse --"Joran of the ditch" or "Casper of the shaft" ??  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 08:42:12 PM
SCARED MONKEYS - FRONT PAGE
JUNE 2, 2007

Rudy Croes … Aruba Breaks Ties with Netherlands


Isn’t this interesting. The Aruban Justice Minister making such outlandish comments. Aruba won’t cooperate with the Dutch in the future. You mean they have cooperated in the past? Some where Betico Croes is rolling over in his grave at what things have become.

Aruba breaks ties with Netherlands.

The Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes breaks all ties with The Netherlands and in the future doesn’t want to cooperate any longer. To begin with the country will not participate in the coming tri-party-counsel between justice ministers of The Netherlands, The Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Rudy Croes said this in Colombia where he stays at this moment. He forbids all contacts between workers of the Justice Departement en The Netherlands. Croes is angry with The Netherlands. For two years already The Netherlands talk with the Netherlands Antilles about a new political organization of the Kingdom.” (Nieuw Nieuws)

(Hat Tip Robert)

‘Aruba verbreekt banden met Nederland’

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/02/rudy-croes-aruba-breaks-ties-with-netherlands/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 06, 2009, 08:50:40 PM
SCARED MONKEYS - FRONT PAGE
JUNE 2, 2007

Rudy Croes … Aruba Breaks Ties with Netherlands


Isn’t this interesting. The Aruban Justice Minister making such outlandish comments. Aruba won’t cooperate with the Dutch in the future. You mean they have cooperated in the past? Some where Betico Croes is rolling over in his grave at what things have become.

Aruba breaks ties with Netherlands.

The Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes breaks all ties with The Netherlands and in the future doesn’t want to cooperate any longer. To begin with the country will not participate in the coming tri-party-counsel between justice ministers of The Netherlands, The Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Rudy Croes said this in Colombia where he stays at this moment. He forbids all contacts between workers of the Justice Departement en The Netherlands. Croes is angry with The Netherlands. For two years already The Netherlands talk with the Netherlands Antilles about a new political organization of the Kingdom.” (Nieuw Nieuws)

(Hat Tip Robert)

‘Aruba verbreekt banden met Nederland’

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/02/rudy-croes-aruba-breaks-ties-with-netherlands/




yes, Croes says outrageous stuff quite often.
and then a few days later Oduber apologizes.

but this time in the leaked report the entire game plan of Oduber / Croes and friends is exposed.
and the most stupid thing is that Croes himself made that leaked report public.
and by being so fumingly mad, he is in fact saying that the report is spot on.
Quote
The weekly report number 3 was mailed on January 15 to among others the Dutch minister of Justice Ernst Hirsch Ballin and to state secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten of Kingdom Relations by the acting Representative in Aruba, Myriam Jacobs.  A Dutch civil servant has probably forwarded the mail to an Aruban civil servant, after which Minister Croes has announced the content of the mail to the media during a press conference.

There are damaging statements in the report; about premier Oduber, several ministers and lawyer Hendrik Croes, the brother of Minister Croes.  It is the lawyer and former Justice-minister that according to VNO plays the political game with the Netherlands with the following players and roles: “Nel Oduber posts himself moderately cooperative and constantly apologizes to the Netherlands for Rudy Croes’ behaviour (…).  Hendrik is all the time in the background, but is of course the architect of the game.  Keep in mind;
Together with Oduber, he thinks of the strategy.
(…)Rudy (Minister Rudy Croes, red.) plays the ram course-role and sets the tone to ultimately guard the legacy of Betico and thus keep the electoral status satisfied.   Minister Wever (of Public Health, Environment, Administrative- and Immigration Affairs, red.) feeds the nationalistic feelings of the electoral status.”
Also the sons of Hendrik and premier Oduber are mentioned in the VNO-report.  Together with Oduber’s son, who was recently granted a firearms license, despite negative advice from the Aruban police corps, Edward Croes plays a ‘more physical part’ by intimidating people.

Also the new procurator general of Aruba is not spared.  VNO speaks of ‘the oiler that publicly strives for cooperation, calls minister Croes an undirected projectile and in the meantime implements Hendrik’s plans’.  According to the VNO, the MEP will also ‘be going more on ram-course towards the Netherlands, upon instructions of Hendrik Croes’, who supposedly has also given the ideas to use swastikas during the demonstration against the Round Table Conference in December of last year.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52415.php

you just can't make this stuff up.  ::MonkeyConfused::
banana-republic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 06, 2009, 08:53:17 PM
Well, how many prosecutor's does that island have?  A new name pops up at every turn.  What do they use them for?  Nobody gets prosecuted and the few that do, don't get any time.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 06, 2009, 08:57:49 PM
Do you think Croes used his own snitch and is really doing this to head off a pending corruption report??  It's all "The Dutch", just like it was all Natalee's family.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: sharon on February 06, 2009, 09:06:28 PM
Well, how many prosecutor's does that island have?  A new name pops up at every turn.  What do they use them for?  Nobody gets prosecuted  and the few that do, don't get any time.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

But they may want to arrest the reporter.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Is that funny or terribly sad?



Thanks for all the updates, caesu. Certainly sounds like a lot of drama and turmoil at the moment. A bit of embarrassment as well.



I wonder how it will all fall out -- and when. Interesting to observe.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 06, 2009, 09:13:31 PM
i think they've got 5 or 6 public prosecutors on Aruba.

Mos, Deutekom, Van der Schaft, Kruimel, Lugo

but the OM has a very hard time recruiting prosecutors.
because Croes doesn't want to raise the salaries "no one should earn more than the prime minister".

so it earns much more money to become a lawyer instead of a prosecutor.

so by firing these two prosecutors, how is he going to fill these positions??

i think Croes is just making threats to put pressure on the Dutch.
he also said he is closing the navy/secret service liason office. he doesn't even have authority over that.
this is housed in the VNO (Dutch gov. representation).
from there the internal report leaked.
he wants the Dutch to denounce this leaked report, apologize and fire the representative who wrote it.
the Dutch state secretary might do this on Monday.

when the Dutch do that. and it is enough to Croes liking.
i think Mos and Van der Schaf can stay on.
at least until the summer.

this is what i think of all this.
because he can't fire the prosecutors, because there is no way he is going to fill these positions.
the Dutch also know this, so they know Croes is just raising hell to have to Dutch give in but he can't back up the firing of the prosecutors with newly recruited prosecutors.

who with a sane mind wants to be prosecutor on Aruba - low wages and constant attacks from the (international) press, government, everyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 06, 2009, 09:16:24 PM
Quote
Aruba sends home chief public prosecutor Hans Mos

Relations with The Netherlands damaged after report leaks out

Two Dutch public prosecutors on Aruba are send home early. Reason: remarks in a report of the Dutch representation on Aruba.


The Aruban justice minister Rudy Croes of the governing MEP party sent chief public prosecutor Hans Mos back to the Netherlands.

Public prosecutor Casper of of the Schaft must also leave Aruba. The politician man has to the formal power to suspend public prosecutors on Aruba which means in fact that he is firing them.

Mos said yesterday that at the latest he returns in the summer to the Netherlands. That is a year early than contractual it had been agreed. „I remain active in the Netherlands in another function at the Public Prosecution Service", said the chief public prosecutor, who didn't want to comment any further. Also public prosecutor Van der Schaft should have stayed for at least another year on the island.

Mos got after its arrival on Aruba in May 2007 involved with the investigation into the American girl Natalee Holloway. Her disappearance was then already ongoing for two years, but due to the -uncatchable- lead suspect Joran van der Sloot the Public Prosecution Service received criticism. The past months  it was however especially justice minister Croes who hot back. Public Prosecution Service requested him even to make no mare statements concerning the Holloway-case.

It come out yesterday that confidential information of the Dutch representation on Aruba come in hands of the Aruban government. In the leaked report charges were made against prime minister Oduber, ministers and a family member of Croes. Also according to the newspaper Amigoe the shortly appointed Procureur-General of Aruba, Robert Pietersz, was severely criticized. He is described as an 'oilman', who strives publicly for cooperation and calls minister Croes a unguided missile (...).

Croes now accuses The Netherlands of espionage. Prime minister Oduber has indicated that the relations with The Netherlands are irreparable damaged. Well informed sources suspect that the incident for Aruba was the final straw, and with sending home Mos and Van der Schaft is a retaliation


The reason why exactly these two have been sent away, is not clear. Possibly sending away Mos has do with a sensitive investigation into corruption under Aruban politicians.

Whether the report come purposely in the hands of Aruba is being investigated by State Secretary Bijleveld (Kingdom relations). Dutch governing political party The Christian Union is asking minister Hirsch Ballin for clarification.
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2025318.ece/Aruba_stuurt_hoofdofficier_Mos_weg__.html



Once Mos gets back to his homeland, the Netherlands:

Is there a chance Mos would do the right thing and help expose the corruption on Aruba, with regards to this case?
He certainly has first hand knowledge and could be instrumental, especially, if paired with Hero...

The million dollar question...

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 06, 2009, 09:18:42 PM
i think they've got 5 or 6 public prosecutors on Aruba.

Mos, Deutekom, Van der Schaft, Kruimel, Lugo

but the OM has a very hard time recruiting prosecutors.
because Croes doesn't want to raise the salaries "no one should earn more than the prime minister".

so it earns much more money to become a lawyer instead of a prosecutor.

so by firing these two prosecutors, how is he going to fill these positions??

i think Croes is just making threats to put pressure on the Dutch.
he also said he is closing the navy/secret service liason office. he doesn't even have authority over that.
this is housed in the VNO (Dutch gov. representation).
from there the internal report leaked.
he wants the Dutch to denounce this leaked report, apologize and fire the representative who wrote it.
the Dutch state secretary might do this on Monday.

when the Dutch do that. and it is enough to Croes liking.
i think Mos and Van der Schaf can stay on.
at least until the summer.

this is what i think of all this.
because he can't fire the prosecutors, because there is no way he is going to fill these positions.
the Dutch also know this, so they know Croes is just raising hell to have to Dutch give in but he can't back up the firing of the prosecutors with newly recruited prosecutors.

who with a sane mind wants to be prosecutor on Aruba - low wages and constant attacks from the (international) press, government, everyone.


Aruban Law 101: Male the rules as you go on One Happy Island

When someone gets too close to the truth, fire or re-assign them
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 06, 2009, 10:01:22 PM
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(http://i39.tinypic.com/f2o65c.png)
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they are calling it VNO-gate.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 10:21:12 PM
In a nutshell I believe you are right on Blue Moon.

I believe that Louis Shaefer, John Silvetti and Tim Trahan also used Kyle Kingman.  Kyle had been very troubled in regards to the happenings encompassing the discovery of the trap/cage and then the recovery of the contents.  However ... at some point in time ... Kyle Kingman became one with Louis Schaefer and Tim Trahan in the attempt to make money off the deception.  Logic dictates why John Silvetti wanted none of this exposure.

Janet

____

My momma always taught me if someone tells you to jump off a bridge you do not do it!


I am praying that Kyle Kingman's professed faith in Jesus Christ will be the catalyst that will blow the deception of the Persistence undertaking wide open.  There will be related consequences for his participation in wrongdoing but ... doing right is right ... it is not alway easy.  However ... the heavy burden of guilt will be lifted and ... the door will be open wide to allow forgiveness from those he has betrayed to take place.

In regards to receiving forgiveness ... the principle/example was established over 2000 years ago.

Janet

++++++

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.


BUMPED!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 06, 2009, 10:23:32 PM
Has this already been posted?

http://www.elnuevoherald.com/167/story/375287.html

Published on Thursday 05 February 2009

us confiscated 1.7 million dollars Aruban businessman
GERARDO REYES
El Nuevo Herald



A Miami federal judge ordered the freezing of $ 1.7 million for alleged money laundering in a case involving Luis Emilio Mansur, former owner of an island in Miami and a member of an influential family in Aruba.

Mansur wanted to pay that amount to a driver who was transporting cocaine in agreement with a drug dealer to whom the Aruban businessman advised on money laundering, said the confiscation order issued last week.

A grand jury in the District of Columbia court charged in November 2007 to Mansur and Jose Andres Cid Hernandez and Rafael Mercado-Ochoa drug shipments entering the U.S. from Aruba, Venezuela and Dominican Republic.

In Aruba, Mansur was sentenced late last year to nearly seven years in prison for drug trafficking and money laundering.

Now the State government is pursuing its money and property.

According to the confiscation order of the Federal Court in Miami, the events occurred as follows: in the mid-90's drug dealer joselyn Marin Villalobos washed millions of dollars of dividends from the sale of cocaine with the help of Mansur.

One of the methods used for the bleaching of the endorsement was $ 1.7 million in bonds for the development of La Cabaña Hotel and Casino in Aruba on behalf of a pilot who worked for Marin.

The amount corresponded to the payment of flights that the pilot, who was not identified, had to Marin.

Since the pilot was unable to redeem the bonds, Mansur persuaded to pay the amount with money received from sale of Terminal Island, a port near the deep MacArthur overpass that serves as the ferry terminal of Fisher Island in Miami Beach .

Terminal Island was sold in May 2004 at $ 14 million.

In October of that year, Mansur authorized the transfer of $ 1.7 million from an account of a Miami law firm to another in the name of the Cayman Islands aviator.

For reasons that the document indicates, the transfer did not materialize and Mansur was arrested in Aruba in September 2007.

The employer of some 63 years, faces extradition to the United States.

Mansur is one of six siblings in a family of Lebanese origin who amassed a great fortune in the sale of cigarettes and liquor.

Its operations were extended to Venezuela, Panama and Colombia. In the latter case his partner was former Senator Samuel Santander Lopesierra, one of the largest cigarette smugglers in the area.

Lopesierra was convicted in the United States to 25 years in prison for drug trafficking in late 2007

The activities of Mansur is also planned to South Florida.

According to Broward County records, in 1997, Mansur was co-owner of Sun Terminal, the third largest agency in charge of the port as well as Ocean King, a firm registered in Venezuela load.

During the last decade, the Mansur family has waged an uphill battle to separate his name from repeated accusations of alleged links to money laundering and drug trafficking.

Jossy and his brother Luis, director of the newspaper Diario raised a complaint with the Human Rights Committee of the UN.

The brothers complained that the Kingdom of the Netherlands violated his rights by allowing a leaked secret report of the Security Service of Aruba in which both were linked to drug trafficking organizations.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 06, 2009, 10:28:34 PM
Has this already been posted?

http://www.elnuevoherald.com/167/story/375287.html

Published on Thursday 05 February 2009

us confiscated 1.7 million dollars Aruban businessman
GERARDO REYES
El Nuevo Herald



A Miami federal judge ordered the freezing of $ 1.7 million for alleged money laundering in a case involving Luis Emilio Mansur, former owner of an island in Miami and a member of an influential family in Aruba.

Mansur wanted to pay that amount to a driver who was transporting cocaine in agreement with a drug dealer to whom the Aruban businessman advised on money laundering, said the confiscation order issued last week.

A grand jury in the District of Columbia court charged in November 2007 to Mansur and Jose Andres Cid Hernandez and Rafael Mercado-Ochoa drug shipments entering the U.S. from Aruba, Venezuela and Dominican Republic.

In Aruba, Mansur was sentenced late last year to nearly seven years in prison for drug trafficking and money laundering.

Now the State government is pursuing its money and property.

According to the confiscation order of the Federal Court in Miami, the events occurred as follows: in the mid-90's drug dealer joselyn Marin Villalobos washed millions of dollars of dividends from the sale of cocaine with the help of Mansur.

One of the methods used for the bleaching of the endorsement was $ 1.7 million in bonds for the development of La Cabaña Hotel and Casino in Aruba on behalf of a pilot who worked for Marin.

The amount corresponded to the payment of flights that the pilot, who was not identified, had to Marin.

Since the pilot was unable to redeem the bonds, Mansur persuaded to pay the amount with money received from sale of Terminal Island, a port near the deep MacArthur overpass that serves as the ferry terminal of Fisher Island in Miami Beach .

Terminal Island was sold in May 2004 at $ 14 million.

In October of that year, Mansur authorized the transfer of $ 1.7 million from an account of a Miami law firm to another in the name of the Cayman Islands aviator.

For reasons that the document indicates, the transfer did not materialize and Mansur was arrested in Aruba in September 2007.

The employer of some 63 years, faces extradition to the United States.

Mansur is one of six siblings in a family of Lebanese origin who amassed a great fortune in the sale of cigarettes and liquor.

Its operations were extended to Venezuela, Panama and Colombia. In the latter case his partner was former Senator Samuel Santander Lopesierra, one of the largest cigarette smugglers in the area.

Lopesierra was convicted in the United States to 25 years in prison for drug trafficking in late 2007

The activities of Mansur is also planned to South Florida.

According to Broward County records, in 1997, Mansur was co-owner of Sun Terminal, the third largest agency in charge of the port as well as Ocean King, a firm registered in Venezuela load.

During the last decade, the Mansur family has waged an uphill battle to separate his name from repeated accusations of alleged links to money laundering and drug trafficking.

Jossy and his brother Luis, director of the newspaper Diario raised a complaint with the Human Rights Committee of the UN.

The brothers complained that the Kingdom of the Netherlands violated his rights by allowing a leaked secret report of the Security Service of Aruba in which both were linked to drug trafficking organizations.



 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 10:45:25 PM
............extradition to the United States .........


Luis is in deep doo doo    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 10:46:21 PM
Wreck, why do you have bubble gum in your eye socket???????????????



 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 06, 2009, 10:46:35 PM
vr 06 feb 2009, 22:39

Head officer Mos gone at Public Prosecution Service Aruba

Oranjestad - head officier Hans Mos leaves this summer the Public Prosecution Service in Aruba. That a spokesman of of Public Prosecution Service Aruba Friday has let know.

 (http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/PearlinUSA/hans_mos_604425d.jpg)
Hans Mos photograph: DUTCH PRESS AGENCY

President of the Board of Procurators General Harm Brewer offered earlier these to Mos yielded a pair functions at the Public Prosecution Service. According to the spokesman it is certain that Mos for one will choose of these functions, and that he with that it will leave Public Prosecution Service in Aruba. If head officier played Mos an important role in the still unsolved matter Holloway. Public Prosecution Service beginning January let know still that the study into in 2005 disappeared American little girl still a number of months would last.

http://www.detelegraaf.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 06, 2009, 10:47:09 PM
............extradition to the United States .........


Luis is in deep doo doo    ::MonkeyEek::
as long as we are extraditing........................ ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 06, 2009, 10:48:23 PM
Wreck, why do you have bubble gum in your eye socket???????????????



 ::MonkeyHaHa::
I was warned before I went to the "Musings" thread-- my eyes would burn!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 10:54:04 PM
............extradition to the United States .........


Luis is in deep doo doo    ::MonkeyEek::
as long as we are extraditing........................ ::MonkeyCool::

Wonder if we could personally extradite a few from over there.........

You know, long arm of the law, and all that....... whose got the list.....   ::MonkeyRoll::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 10:56:01 PM
Wreck, why do you have bubble gum in your eye socket???????????????



 ::MonkeyHaHa::
I was warned before I went to the "Musings" thread-- my eyes would burn!  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 10:57:04 PM
vr 06 feb 2009, 22:39

Head officer Mos gone at Public Prosecution Service Aruba

Oranjestad - head officier Hans Mos leaves this summer the Public Prosecution Service in Aruba. That a spokesman of of Public Prosecution Service Aruba Friday has let know.

 (http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/PearlinUSA/hans_mos_604425d.jpg)
Hans Mos photograph: DUTCH PRESS AGENCY

President of the Board of Procurators General Harm Brewer offered earlier these to Mos yielded a pair functions at the Public Prosecution Service. According to the spokesman it is certain that Mos for one will choose of these functions, and that he with that it will leave Public Prosecution Service in Aruba. If head officier played Mos an important role in the still unsolved matter Holloway. Public Prosecution Service beginning January let know still that the study into in 2005 disappeared American little girl still a number of months would last.

http://www.detelegraaf.com/

HEY MOS   DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YA ON THE WAY OOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTT1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 10:57:22 PM
Has this already been posted?

http://www.elnuevoherald.com/167/story/375287.html

Published on Thursday 05 February 2009

us confiscated 1.7 million dollars Aruban businessman
GERARDO REYES
El Nuevo Herald



A Miami federal judge ordered the freezing of $ 1.7 million for alleged money laundering in a case involving Luis Emilio Mansur, former owner of an island in Miami and a member of an influential family in Aruba.

Mansur wanted to pay that amount to a driver who was transporting cocaine in agreement with a drug dealer to whom the Aruban businessman advised on money laundering, said the confiscation order issued last week.

A grand jury in the District of Columbia court charged in November 2007 to Mansur and Jose Andres Cid Hernandez and Rafael Mercado-Ochoa drug shipments entering the U.S. from Aruba, Venezuela and Dominican Republic.

In Aruba, Mansur was sentenced late last year to nearly seven years in prison for drug trafficking and money laundering.

Now the State government is pursuing its money and property.

According to the confiscation order of the Federal Court in Miami, the events occurred as follows: in the mid-90's drug dealer joselyn Marin Villalobos washed millions of dollars of dividends from the sale of cocaine with the help of Mansur.

One of the methods used for the bleaching of the endorsement was $ 1.7 million in bonds for the development of La Cabaña Hotel and Casino in Aruba on behalf of a pilot who worked for Marin.

The amount corresponded to the payment of flights that the pilot, who was not identified, had to Marin.

Since the pilot was unable to redeem the bonds, Mansur persuaded to pay the amount with money received from sale of Terminal Island, a port near the deep MacArthur overpass that serves as the ferry terminal of Fisher Island in Miami Beach .

Terminal Island was sold in May 2004 at $ 14 million.

In October of that year, Mansur authorized the transfer of $ 1.7 million from an account of a Miami law firm to another in the name of the Cayman Islands aviator.

For reasons that the document indicates, the transfer did not materialize and Mansur was arrested in Aruba in September 2007.

The employer of some 63 years, faces extradition to the United States.

Mansur is one of six siblings in a family of Lebanese origin who amassed a great fortune in the sale of cigarettes and liquor.

Its operations were extended to Venezuela, Panama and Colombia. In the latter case his partner was former Senator Samuel Santander Lopesierra, one of the largest cigarette smugglers in the area.

Lopesierra was convicted in the United States to 25 years in prison for drug trafficking in late 2007

The activities of Mansur is also planned to South Florida.

According to Broward County records, in 1997, Mansur was co-owner of Sun Terminal, the third largest agency in charge of the port as well as Ocean King, a firm registered in Venezuela load.

During the last decade, the Mansur family has waged an uphill battle to separate his name from repeated accusations of alleged links to money laundering and drug trafficking.

Jossy and his brother Luis, director of the newspaper Diario raised a complaint with the Human Rights Committee of the UN.

The brothers complained that the Kingdom of the Netherlands violated his rights by allowing a leaked secret report of the Security Service of Aruba in which both were linked to drug trafficking organizations.



 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 06, 2009, 10:59:46 PM
Wreck, why do you have bubble gum in your eye socket???????????????



 ::MonkeyHaHa::
Its Double Trouble Gum!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 06, 2009, 11:05:49 PM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

Spellcheck would have been nice...            ::MonkeyRoll:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 11:12:42 PM
Wreck, why do you have bubble gum in your eye socket???????????????



 ::MonkeyHaHa::
Its Double Trouble Gum!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::   Are you saying Wreck is Double Trouble???    ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 06, 2009, 11:15:22 PM
Wreck, why do you have bubble gum in your eye socket???????????????



 ::MonkeyHaHa::
Its Double Trouble Gum!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::   Are you saying Wreck is Double Trouble???    ::MonkeyTongue::
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 06, 2009, 11:17:19 PM
Wreck, why do you have bubble gum in your eye socket???????????????



 ::MonkeyHaHa::
Its Double Trouble Gum!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::   Are you saying Wreck is Double Trouble???    ::MonkeyTongue::
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
:smt096 :smt096


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 11:18:07 PM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

Spellcheck would have been nice...            ::MonkeyRoll:: 

You have got to be kidding me.... she addresses Dave and Beth on her website....

I know Dave changed his phone number, did they change their email addresses too, ANYTHING to get away from her!

She doesn't just talk out of both sides of her mouth SHE SPEWS THE CHIT ALL OVER THE PLACE........








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 11:19:56 PM
FEELING FRISKY TONIGHT...........DO I NEED TO GO TO MUSINGS BEFORE I GET KICKED OUT OF HERE   


 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 06, 2009, 11:21:47 PM
Has this already been posted?

http://www.elnuevoherald.com/167/story/375287.html

Published on Thursday 05 February 2009

us confiscated 1.7 million dollars Aruban businessman
GERARDO REYES
El Nuevo Herald



A Miami federal judge ordered the freezing of $ 1.7 million for alleged money laundering in a case involving Luis Emilio Mansur, former owner of an island in Miami and a member of an influential family in Aruba.

Mansur wanted to pay that amount to a driver who was transporting cocaine in agreement with a drug dealer to whom the Aruban businessman advised on money laundering, said the confiscation order issued last week.

A grand jury in the District of Columbia court charged in November 2007 to Mansur and Jose Andres Cid Hernandez and Rafael Mercado-Ochoa drug shipments entering the U.S. from Aruba, Venezuela and Dominican Republic.

In Aruba, Mansur was sentenced late last year to nearly seven years in prison for drug trafficking and money laundering.

Now the State government is pursuing its money and property.

According to the confiscation order of the Federal Court in Miami, the events occurred as follows: in the mid-90's drug dealer joselyn Marin Villalobos washed millions of dollars of dividends from the sale of cocaine with the help of Mansur.

One of the methods used for the bleaching of the endorsement was $ 1.7 million in bonds for the development of La Cabaña Hotel and Casino in Aruba on behalf of a pilot who worked for Marin.

The amount corresponded to the payment of flights that the pilot, who was not identified, had to Marin.

Since the pilot was unable to redeem the bonds, Mansur persuaded to pay the amount with money received from sale of Terminal Island, a port near the deep MacArthur overpass that serves as the ferry terminal of Fisher Island in Miami Beach .

Terminal Island was sold in May 2004 at $ 14 million.

In October of that year, Mansur authorized the transfer of $ 1.7 million from an account of a Miami law firm to another in the name of the Cayman Islands aviator.

For reasons that the document indicates, the transfer did not materialize and Mansur was arrested in Aruba in September 2007.

The employer of some 63 years, faces extradition to the United States.

Mansur is one of six siblings in a family of Lebanese origin who amassed a great fortune in the sale of cigarettes and liquor.

Its operations were extended to Venezuela, Panama and Colombia. In the latter case his partner was former Senator Samuel Santander Lopesierra, one of the largest cigarette smugglers in the area.

Lopesierra was convicted in the United States to 25 years in prison for drug trafficking in late 2007

The activities of Mansur is also planned to South Florida.

According to Broward County records, in 1997, Mansur was co-owner of Sun Terminal, the third largest agency in charge of the port as well as Ocean King, a firm registered in Venezuela load.

During the last decade, the Mansur family has waged an uphill battle to separate his name from repeated accusations of alleged links to money laundering and drug trafficking.

Jossy and his brother Luis, director of the newspaper Diario raised a complaint with the Human Rights Committee of the UN.

The brothers complained that the Kingdom of the Netherlands violated his rights by allowing a leaked secret report of the Security Service of Aruba in which both were linked to drug trafficking organizations.



 ::MonkeyWaa::
I think it's pretty well evident --- Beth and Dave have NO friends on Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 06, 2009, 11:21:50 PM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

Spellcheck would have been nice...            ::MonkeyRoll:: 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 06, 2009, 11:22:19 PM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

They must not be taking her calls.   ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Stay away from my stretcher, Crazy!  I mean do not come near it! ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Hi monkeys!  I'm about 10 pages behind & just got started, so I'll get back to it.   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 06, 2009, 11:23:23 PM
FEELING FRISKY TONIGHT...........DO I NEED TO GO TO MUSINGS BEFORE I GET KICKED OUT OF HERE   


 ::MonkeyDance::
This was from 2 nights ago -- haven't been there tonight!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 11:23:42 PM
Has this already been posted?

http://www.elnuevoherald.com/167/story/375287.html

Published on Thursday 05 February 2009

us confiscated 1.7 million dollars Aruban businessman
GERARDO REYES
El Nuevo Herald



A Miami federal judge ordered the freezing of $ 1.7 million for alleged money laundering in a case involving Luis Emilio Mansur, former owner of an island in Miami and a member of an influential family in Aruba.

Mansur wanted to pay that amount to a driver who was transporting cocaine in agreement with a drug dealer to whom the Aruban businessman advised on money laundering, said the confiscation order issued last week.

A grand jury in the District of Columbia court charged in November 2007 to Mansur and Jose Andres Cid Hernandez and Rafael Mercado-Ochoa drug shipments entering the U.S. from Aruba, Venezuela and Dominican Republic.

In Aruba, Mansur was sentenced late last year to nearly seven years in prison for drug trafficking and money laundering.

Now the State government is pursuing its money and property.

According to the confiscation order of the Federal Court in Miami, the events occurred as follows: in the mid-90's drug dealer joselyn Marin Villalobos washed millions of dollars of dividends from the sale of cocaine with the help of Mansur.

One of the methods used for the bleaching of the endorsement was $ 1.7 million in bonds for the development of La Cabaña Hotel and Casino in Aruba on behalf of a pilot who worked for Marin.

The amount corresponded to the payment of flights that the pilot, who was not identified, had to Marin.

Since the pilot was unable to redeem the bonds, Mansur persuaded to pay the amount with money received from sale of Terminal Island, a port near the deep MacArthur overpass that serves as the ferry terminal of Fisher Island in Miami Beach .

Terminal Island was sold in May 2004 at $ 14 million.

In October of that year, Mansur authorized the transfer of $ 1.7 million from an account of a Miami law firm to another in the name of the Cayman Islands aviator.

For reasons that the document indicates, the transfer did not materialize and Mansur was arrested in Aruba in September 2007.

The employer of some 63 years, faces extradition to the United States.

Mansur is one of six siblings in a family of Lebanese origin who amassed a great fortune in the sale of cigarettes and liquor.

Its operations were extended to Venezuela, Panama and Colombia. In the latter case his partner was former Senator Samuel Santander Lopesierra, one of the largest cigarette smugglers in the area.

Lopesierra was convicted in the United States to 25 years in prison for drug trafficking in late 2007

The activities of Mansur is also planned to South Florida.

According to Broward County records, in 1997, Mansur was co-owner of Sun Terminal, the third largest agency in charge of the port as well as Ocean King, a firm registered in Venezuela load.

During the last decade, the Mansur family has waged an uphill battle to separate his name from repeated accusations of alleged links to money laundering and drug trafficking.

Jossy and his brother Luis, director of the newspaper Diario raised a complaint with the Human Rights Committee of the UN.

The brothers complained that the Kingdom of the Netherlands violated his rights by allowing a leaked secret report of the Security Service of Aruba in which both were linked to drug trafficking organizations.



 ::MonkeyWaa::
I think it's pretty well evident --- Beth and Dave have NO friends on Aruba.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
8:25 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 11:24:23 PM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

Spellcheck would have been nice...            ::MonkeyRoll:: 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You actually have to be able to spell to use spellcheck   

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 11:25:28 PM
FEELING FRISKY TONIGHT...........DO I NEED TO GO TO MUSINGS BEFORE I GET KICKED OUT OF HERE   


 ::MonkeyDance::
This was from 2 nights ago -- haven't been there tonight!

I was MIA........ I always miss everything.....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 06, 2009, 11:25:42 PM
Nite Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 11:27:45 PM
Has this already been posted?

http://www.elnuevoherald.com/167/story/375287.html

Published on Thursday 05 February 2009

us confiscated 1.7 million dollars Aruban businessman
GERARDO REYES
El Nuevo Herald



A Miami federal judge ordered the freezing of $ 1.7 million for alleged money laundering in a case involving Luis Emilio Mansur, former owner of an island in Miami and a member of an influential family in Aruba.

Mansur wanted to pay that amount to a driver who was transporting cocaine in agreement with a drug dealer to whom the Aruban businessman advised on money laundering, said the confiscation order issued last week.

A grand jury in the District of Columbia court charged in November 2007 to Mansur and Jose Andres Cid Hernandez and Rafael Mercado-Ochoa drug shipments entering the U.S. from Aruba, Venezuela and Dominican Republic.

In Aruba, Mansur was sentenced late last year to nearly seven years in prison for drug trafficking and money laundering.

Now the State government is pursuing its money and property.

According to the confiscation order of the Federal Court in Miami, the events occurred as follows: in the mid-90's drug dealer joselyn Marin Villalobos washed millions of dollars of dividends from the sale of cocaine with the help of Mansur.

One of the methods used for the bleaching of the endorsement was $ 1.7 million in bonds for the development of La Cabaña Hotel and Casino in Aruba on behalf of a pilot who worked for Marin.

The amount corresponded to the payment of flights that the pilot, who was not identified, had to Marin.

Since the pilot was unable to redeem the bonds, Mansur persuaded to pay the amount with money received from sale of Terminal Island, a port near the deep MacArthur overpass that serves as the ferry terminal of Fisher Island in Miami Beach .

Terminal Island was sold in May 2004 at $ 14 million.

In October of that year, Mansur authorized the transfer of $ 1.7 million from an account of a Miami law firm to another in the name of the Cayman Islands aviator.

For reasons that the document indicates, the transfer did not materialize and Mansur was arrested in Aruba in September 2007.

The employer of some 63 years, faces extradition to the United States.

Mansur is one of six siblings in a family of Lebanese origin who amassed a great fortune in the sale of cigarettes and liquor.

Its operations were extended to Venezuela, Panama and Colombia. In the latter case his partner was former Senator Samuel Santander Lopesierra, one of the largest cigarette smugglers in the area.

Lopesierra was convicted in the United States to 25 years in prison for drug trafficking in late 2007

The activities of Mansur is also planned to South Florida.

According to Broward County records, in 1997, Mansur was co-owner of Sun Terminal, the third largest agency in charge of the port as well as Ocean King, a firm registered in Venezuela load.

During the last decade, the Mansur family has waged an uphill battle to separate his name from repeated accusations of alleged links to money laundering and drug trafficking.

Jossy and his brother Luis, director of the newspaper Diario raised a complaint with the Human Rights Committee of the UN.

The brothers complained that the Kingdom of the Netherlands violated his rights by allowing a leaked secret report of the Security Service of Aruba in which both were linked to drug trafficking organizations.



 ::MonkeyWaa::
I think it's pretty well evident --- Beth and Dave have NO friends on Aruba.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
8:25 PM PT


DON'T GO JANET, STAY.  LOTS MORE TO DO TONIGHT.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 06, 2009, 11:34:24 PM
Nite Nite Janet, Hugs.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 11:36:03 PM
FEELING FRISKY TONIGHT...........DO I NEED TO GO TO MUSINGS BEFORE I GET KICKED OUT OF HERE   


 ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 11:38:08 PM
IF YOU HAVE TO GO JANET   ::MonkeyWaa::  NITE NITE AND SWEET DREAMS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 11:38:27 PM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

Spellcheck would have been nice...            ::MonkeyRoll:: 

You have got to be kidding me.... she addresses Dave and Beth on her website....

I know Dave changed his phone number, did they change their email addresses too, ANYTHING to get away from her!

She doesn't just talk out of both sides of her mouth SHE SPEWS THE CHIT ALL OVER THE PLACE........








 ::MonkeyNoNo::   



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 11:40:04 PM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

Spellcheck would have been nice...            ::MonkeyRoll:: 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You actually have to be able to spell to use spellcheck   

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Good one....and so true.    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 06, 2009, 11:40:08 PM
Has this already been posted?

http://www.elnuevoherald.com/167/story/375287.html

Published on Thursday 05 February 2009

us confiscated 1.7 million dollars Aruban businessman
GERARDO REYES
El Nuevo Herald



A Miami federal judge ordered the freezing of $ 1.7 million for alleged money laundering in a case involving Luis Emilio Mansur, former owner of an island in Miami and a member of an influential family in Aruba.

Mansur wanted to pay that amount to a driver who was transporting cocaine in agreement with a drug dealer to whom the Aruban businessman advised on money laundering, said the confiscation order issued last week.

A grand jury in the District of Columbia court charged in November 2007 to Mansur and Jose Andres Cid Hernandez and Rafael Mercado-Ochoa drug shipments entering the U.S. from Aruba, Venezuela and Dominican Republic.

In Aruba, Mansur was sentenced late last year to nearly seven years in prison for drug trafficking and money laundering.

Now the State government is pursuing its money and property.

According to the confiscation order of the Federal Court in Miami, the events occurred as follows: in the mid-90's drug dealer joselyn Marin Villalobos washed millions of dollars of dividends from the sale of cocaine with the help of Mansur.

One of the methods used for the bleaching of the endorsement was $ 1.7 million in bonds for the development of La Cabaña Hotel and Casino in Aruba on behalf of a pilot who worked for Marin.

The amount corresponded to the payment of flights that the pilot, who was not identified, had to Marin.

Since the pilot was unable to redeem the bonds, Mansur persuaded to pay the amount with money received from sale of Terminal Island, a port near the deep MacArthur overpass that serves as the ferry terminal of Fisher Island in Miami Beach .

Terminal Island was sold in May 2004 at $ 14 million.

In October of that year, Mansur authorized the transfer of $ 1.7 million from an account of a Miami law firm to another in the name of the Cayman Islands aviator.

For reasons that the document indicates, the transfer did not materialize and Mansur was arrested in Aruba in September 2007.

The employer of some 63 years, faces extradition to the United States.

Mansur is one of six siblings in a family of Lebanese origin who amassed a great fortune in the sale of cigarettes and liquor.

Its operations were extended to Venezuela, Panama and Colombia. In the latter case his partner was former Senator Samuel Santander Lopesierra, one of the largest cigarette smugglers in the area.

Lopesierra was convicted in the United States to 25 years in prison for drug trafficking in late 2007

The activities of Mansur is also planned to South Florida.

According to Broward County records, in 1997, Mansur was co-owner of Sun Terminal, the third largest agency in charge of the port as well as Ocean King, a firm registered in Venezuela load.

During the last decade, the Mansur family has waged an uphill battle to separate his name from repeated accusations of alleged links to money laundering and drug trafficking.

Jossy and his brother Luis, director of the newspaper Diario raised a complaint with the Human Rights Committee of the UN.

The brothers complained that the Kingdom of the Netherlands violated his rights by allowing a leaked secret report of the Security Service of Aruba in which both were linked to drug trafficking organizations.



 ::MonkeyWaa::
I think it's pretty well evident --- Beth and Dave have NO friends on Aruba.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
8:25 PM PT


DON'T GO JANET, STAY.  LOTS MORE TO DO TONIGHT.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Friends just arrived from the interior of the Province and ... my daughter's two youngest (5/7) will be dropped off by SIL any minute to spend a special weekend at Papa and Mama.

Good Night KYcat ... I gotta go.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 06, 2009, 11:42:21 PM
Enjoy, Janet.  Goodnight. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 11:46:42 PM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

Spellcheck would have been nice...            ::MonkeyRoll:: 

You have got to be kidding me.... she addresses Dave and Beth on her website....

I know Dave changed his phone number, did they change their email addresses too, ANYTHING to get away from her!

She doesn't just talk out of both sides of her mouth SHE SPEWS THE CHIT ALL OVER THE PLACE........








 ::MonkeyNoNo::   



Hi  :smt039 2NJ, Agree or Disagree?

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 06, 2009, 11:50:55 PM
Janet, enjoy your company and sweet grandchildren!!

 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 07, 2009, 12:00:26 AM
WRECK    ::MonkeyLaugh::


CBB WAS IN THE MUSINGS THREAD TALKING ABOUT SETTING YOUR HEAD ON FIRE!!!

ROFLMAO

GOING BACK TO MUSINGS....BB .............



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 12:01:54 AM
I had to take some time before I responded to the comments about me.  I am not going to bring all the other posts here.  Quote stacks wear very thin. 

Lifesong and Jen,

Who I am is none of your concern.  You are paranoid.  Stop looking for conspiracy in everything.  We are here to discuss and that means bringing up differing theories to get to the truth.  L. Ron Hubbard saw conspiracy in everything.  Should I assume you are his followers? 

Lifesong,

We are not all in agreement with your theory about the cage pictures.  You brought up the issue.  I responded with a different point of view, and you are too close minded to listen to anything.  I even used your “research” to prove my point that the interior cage picture was photoshopped and you ignored it.  It is a simple fact that the full spectrum of light does not penetrate 90 feet of water.  If you don’t believe me, do some real research and make a dive to 90 feet.  There is no evidence in the picture that a flood light or strobe light was used to illuminate the whole area.  If you watched closely the ROV video that was posted, you would have seen the limited illumination area given by the ROV.  So what does that leave one to assume?  The picture was photoshopped to add the color.  The issue of the ziplock bags is too obvious to me to even debate further with you.  Remember, you brought the subject up.  I wasn’t forcing my point of view on anyone.  I was only responding.  Until Kyle presents unadulterated pictures of evidence being collected and placed in those bags, I will not assume it has anything to with NAH, or that they even existed.  Maybe Kyle did and I missed them.  When you have video from an ROV, why not post the most compelling picture?  As to NAH’s body being in the cage, yes the cage is big enough, but not in the confined area Kyle placed her.  You saw the screenshot of the cage with the divers.  The cage has a 9 grid structure.  For a 7.5 foot cage, that is 2.5 feet per grid.  If she was lying stretched out she would span more than 2 grids.  If at a diagonal, the body would have spanned two grids or more considering the placement of the “skull”.  If curled in the tightest fetal position, the body would not fit the diagonal half.  This theory of body placement only fits if there is not enough current to move anything.  In reality, one would expect to find bones scattered in an even larger area.  If wrapped in a tarp, where is the tarp and why is the “body” covered in sand and the “skull” exposed.  Tarps do not decompose in full sun in 2 ½ years.   Are we dealing with reality or imagination?  I need more facts.  A picture is worth a thousand words.  How about a thousand questions?


Gosh, Mia.  I never meant to make you angry.  I read your posts and visited the links you posted.  I considered Kyle's qualifications and resume.  I did some research of my own and formed my own opinion.

There must be a misunderstanding here somewhere, I know you are not calling me close minded just because I didnt believe whatever you said.  As I recall, you were the one with all the questions, and I was more than happy to discuss it.

Mia, if "the issue with the bags is so obvious..." I challenge you to prove it.  Re-post the images and show us all what is so obvious. 

 ::MonkeyWink::

BTW, I have no idea who you are and don't really care.  Why would I?  The fact that HotShot introduced you tells me everything I need to know.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 07, 2009, 12:08:12 AM
Hotshot did NOT introduce Monkey Mia!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 07, 2009, 12:08:53 AM
WRECK    ::MonkeyLaugh::


CBB WAS IN THE MUSINGS THREAD TALKING ABOUT SETTING YOUR HEAD ON FIRE!!!

ROFLMAO

GOING BACK TO MUSINGS....BB .............



 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Monkey Mia on February 07, 2009, 12:13:24 AM
Lifesong, I can only laugh.  Now get off me personally.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 07, 2009, 12:14:27 AM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

Spellcheck would have been nice...            ::MonkeyRoll:: 

You have got to be kidding me.... she addresses Dave and Beth on her website....

I know Dave changed his phone number, did they change their email addresses too, ANYTHING to get away from her!

She doesn't just talk out of both sides of her mouth SHE SPEWS THE CHIT ALL OVER THE PLACE........








 ::MonkeyNoNo::   



Hi  :smt039 2NJ, Agree or Disagree?

 ::MonkeyEek::

It was my way of agreeing.  Strange thing to do, almost desperate........my dad would say she's wearing her hat sideways....doesn't know if she's coming or going. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 07, 2009, 12:14:44 AM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

My, my.  I thought just callin either one up was how this worked for her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 07, 2009, 12:16:35 AM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

Spellcheck would have been nice...            ::MonkeyRoll:: 

You have got to be kidding me.... she addresses Dave and Beth on her website....

I know Dave changed his phone number, did they change their email addresses too, ANYTHING to get away from her!

She doesn't just talk out of both sides of her mouth SHE SPEWS THE CHIT ALL OVER THE PLACE........








 ::MonkeyNoNo::   



Hi  :smt039 2NJ, Agree or Disagree?

 ::MonkeyEek::

It was my way of agreeing.  Strange thing to do, almost desperate........my dad would say she's wearing her hat sideways....doesn't know if she's coming or going. 

We can only hope she is going...................................

 ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 07, 2009, 12:18:12 AM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

My, my.  I thought just callin either one up was how this worked for her.

Well, it did, until they changed their phone numbers, moved 3 times, and changed their names to get away from her.....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 07, 2009, 12:18:32 AM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

My, my.  I thought just callin either one up was how this worked for her.
Not since they had to change their phone #'s to get away from her!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 07, 2009, 12:19:12 AM
WRECK    ::MonkeyLaugh::


CBB WAS IN THE MUSINGS THREAD TALKING ABOUT SETTING YOUR HEAD ON FIRE!!!

ROFLMAO

GOING BACK TO MUSINGS....BB .............



 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyShocked::

I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT IT'S TRUE, CBB IS ON A TEAR OVER THERE.....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on February 07, 2009, 12:20:43 AM
These names are VERY common in Cajun country; Trahan & Broussard. Hope that this helps. Back to catching up now.

Cajun Miracle


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 07, 2009, 12:25:09 AM
These names are VERY common in Cajun country; Trahan & Broussard. Hope that this helps. Back to catching up now.

Cajun Miracle

Thanks, Cajun Miracle.  I was searched earlier and found several....one family obituary said there were 6 sons and I forget how many daughters......plus grandchildren.  That was only one family.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 07, 2009, 12:27:37 AM
These names are VERY common in Cajun country; Trahan & Broussard. Hope that this helps. Back to catching up now.

Cajun Miracle
Billy Joe Tibideaux Robideaux Broussard Trahan Jr.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 07, 2009, 12:32:56 AM
These names are VERY common in Cajun country; Trahan & Broussard. Hope that this helps. Back to catching up now.

Cajun Miracle
Billy Joe Tibideaux Robideaux Broussard Trahan Jr.  ::MonkeyCool::

Any kin to Billy Bob?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 07, 2009, 12:35:08 AM
These names are VERY common in Cajun country; Trahan & Broussard. Hope that this helps. Back to catching up now.

Cajun Miracle
Billy Joe Tibideaux Robideaux Broussard Trahan Jr.  ::MonkeyCool::

Any kin to Billy Bob?


Most likely!!! Ask Cajun Miracle!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KYcat on February 07, 2009, 12:44:40 AM
Whew, I have had great fun tonight.  I think I will drag my smart a$$ off to bed now. 

See you in the am..........

 :smt015


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 07, 2009, 12:47:08 AM
Posted by Prolific at RU:

You know If this didn't involve a real missing person, a human being, this would be hilarious.

It would certainly not be the chicken before the egg...his lies started long before Skeeters or anyone else...who paid the prime suspect to make up lies before he even knew Beth or anyone else? Who paid the prime suspect to tell the HI lie to Freddy before it was even announced that natalee was missing, then go back and tell even more conflicting stories, who paid the prime suspect to lie in his police statements? WHO'S EXAMPLE WAS HE JUST FOLLOWING THEN?

And Dompig clearly said lots and lots of things in the media. Shall we list everything Dompig has said?

Are Dave and Robin liars too? And spare me the Dave was led down the wrong path by the lying mother....he and Robin were there, he and Robin spoke to officials....he and Robin saw and heard for themselves, so were they lying as well in the media, and I'm not referring to just rape or gangrape. They too no longer believed Natalee was alive early on because they were told it was now a homicide case, were they lying also?

The OM knows Patrick's tape is fake, is that a fact, did he tell you that personally or are you presuming again? So if according to you that's a fact then what you're saying is not only is Mos a moron but he's a liar possibly even corrupt since he obviously, in spite of what he said over and over, isn't keeping the investigation open because he's still investigating this....just playing the family the same way as Joran and others on the island..

And I'm sure it was just an oversight but you forgot to add to your list that lame excuse for a documentary....talk about faking a tape, bunch of bottom feeders lame phychics, teenage boys, innuendo, suppositions, blog rumors, speculation...all in an attempt to cast aspersions on the missing human being and her family and try to pass it off as factual and truth to the public...too bad they couldn't sell that enough to make the big bucks off of it but it certainly wasn't for lack of trying...

Sadly, what's become clearer and clearer is the bs and the twisting and distorting came out of Aruba and VDS lackeys who claimed to be "in the know" out of an obvious hatred and a vendetta against the mother/family because "they" didn't "like" how she handled things after the fact. So much hatred for the mother that some would prefer to see anyone else go free, excuse and dismiss anything and everything about the prime suspect, even go so far as to make claims and try to pass off as truth such things as pregnancy, sexual abuse, drug addictions, arriving early etc...etc. rather than see the nasty mother be right or get justice...

JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on February 07, 2009, 12:59:13 AM
These names are VERY common in Cajun country; Trahan & Broussard. Hope that this helps. Back to catching up now.

Cajun Miracle

Thanks, Cajun Miracle.  I was searched earlier and found several....one family obituary said there were 6 sons and I forget how many daughters......plus grandchildren.  That was only one family.....

Every so many years we have a world-wide reunion of Cajun descendants. Some years it's held in Nova Scotia, Canada. We hosted a large (International Congres Mondial) in 1999 and had thousands of people visit. Both Broussard and Trahan have very large turnouts. I'm kin to Broussard's on my Mom's side, so I do know that this name is soooo common. Ask if you have more questions. You should check out our local phonebooks. LOL!
Cajun Miracle


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on February 07, 2009, 01:03:36 AM
These names are VERY common in Cajun country; Trahan & Broussard. Hope that this helps. Back to catching up now.

Cajun Miracle
Billy Joe Tibideaux Robideaux Broussard Trahan Jr.  ::MonkeyCool::

We've got Boudreaux, Thibadeaux, Meaux, Breaux, etc. etc. EAUX follows most names and when we get snow (every 10-20 years) the weatherman spells it sneaux!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on February 07, 2009, 01:04:34 AM
These names are VERY common in Cajun country; Trahan & Broussard. Hope that this helps. Back to catching up now.

Cajun Miracle
Billy Joe Tibideaux Robideaux Broussard Trahan Jr.  ::MonkeyCool::

Any kin to Billy Bob?



Who's Billy Bob????????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 07, 2009, 01:15:04 AM
Hotshot is hoping Dave and or Beth will read her website:

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/



In her most recent attack on me in the Musings Thread, where she posted the personal information about my kid as proof of her stalking, lol, she claimed I "made Dave Holloway not like *******"! 

Wow!  I am very powerful and even magic if I can do that.  Didn't realize my own capabilities in that regard.  So she better be careful or I will make him not like her as well. 

Oh, wait!  I'm pretty sure he would already feels that way, changing phone numbers, etc.  But then who wouldn't?

That claim is so hilarious and totally classic symptom of mental disorder to be blaming other people for not being liked.  I don't recall ever speaking to Dave Holloway in my life other than in chat.  He doesn't know me from Adam.  I would NEVER impose on a family like that! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 07, 2009, 01:27:35 AM
What a great couple of days....the core group of Monkeys and now Freebird monkeys are hard at work putting things together...and what a story that is being exposed...
Caps is all washed up....(at one point, I admit...I thought he may be legit in unfolding what happened to Natalee..some compelling chit) but the researchers at SM saw through that on pretty much exposed Caps...
What happened with persistence and John S, Louis S, Tim T.....no one says it better than Kermit...AMERICAN TRAITORS...
I hope to heck that our FBI and State department nail their arses to the wall...
and kyle...if you read hear....you need to come clean, clear your heart and come forward...For JUSTICE for Natalee....
Compliments of ROBOTS...
I HATE THEM ALL...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 07, 2009, 01:30:04 AM
I just can't follow all the incorporations and decipher the conglomerate of the diving/mapping companies.

I wish we had a flow chart of some kind but that would be a tremendous amount of work.

I didn't realize Oduber was into oil as well as the new Minister of Justice. 

And Luis Mansur is pretty old to keep getting into trouble like that. 

Those oil companies appear to be as intertwined as Arubans!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 07, 2009, 01:38:23 AM
What a great couple of days....the core group of Monkeys and now Freebird monkeys are hard at work putting things together...and what a story that is being exposed...
Caps is all washed up....(at one point, I admit...I thought he may be legit in unfolding what happened to Natalee..some compelling chit) but the researchers at SM saw through that on pretty much exposed Caps...
What happened with persistence and John S, Louis S, Tim T.....no one says it better than Kermit...AMERICAN TRAITORS...
I hope to heck that our FBI and State department nail their arses to the wall...
and kyle...if you read hear....you need to come clean, clear your heart and come forward...For JUSTICE for Natalee....
Compliments of ROBOTS...
I HATE THEM ALL...

It really would have been nice to have someone from that Island that cared.Although much time has gone by.I still believe Justice is achievable.Do i believe this particular group of men went down there to find Natalee.NOPE.I hope to be wrong but think i'd only be fooling myself.I hope Islandmonkey will be able to shed somemore light on these companies...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 07, 2009, 01:46:12 AM
What a great couple of days....the core group of Monkeys and now Freebird monkeys are hard at work putting things together...and what a story that is being exposed...
Caps is all washed up....(at one point, I admit...I thought he may be legit in unfolding what happened to Natalee..some compelling chit) but the researchers at SM saw through that on pretty much exposed Caps...
What happened with persistence and John S, Louis S, Tim T.....no one says it better than Kermit...AMERICAN TRAITORS...
I hope to heck that our FBI and State department nail their arses to the wall...
and kyle...if you read hear....you need to come clean, clear your heart and come forward...For JUSTICE for Natalee....
Compliments of ROBOTS...
I HATE THEM ALL...

It really would have been nice to have someone from that Island that cared.Although much time has gone by.I still believe Justice is achievable.Do i believe this particular group of men went down there to find Natalee.NOPE.I hope to be wrong but think i'd only be fooling myself.I hope Islandmonkey will be able to shed somemore light on these companies...
Natalee is everyone's daughter... The hell that Beth and Dave have been put through is beyond forgiveness.....
Exposure will come, and hell will come to those that brought hell to Beth and Dave...
kyle...you listening?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 07, 2009, 01:48:18 AM
I just can't follow all the incorporations and decipher the conglomerate of the diving/mapping companies.

I wish we had a flow chart of some kind but that would be a tremendous amount of work.

I didn't realize Oduber was into oil as well as the new Minister of Justice. 

And Luis Mansur is pretty old to keep getting into trouble like that. 

Those oil companies appear to be as intertwined as Arubans!


OIL is BIG money!A flow chart would be extrodinary!Being able to lock these companies down ,in terms of working together before going down to Aruba,will be interesting to say the least...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 07, 2009, 01:51:27 AM
What a great couple of days....the core group of Monkeys and now Freebird monkeys are hard at work putting things together...and what a story that is being exposed...
Caps is all washed up....(at one point, I admit...I thought he may be legit in unfolding what happened to Natalee..some compelling chit) but the researchers at SM saw through that on pretty much exposed Caps...
What happened with persistence and John S, Louis S, Tim T.....no one says it better than Kermit...AMERICAN TRAITORS...
I hope to heck that our FBI and State department nail their arses to the wall...
and kyle...if you read hear....you need to come clean, clear your heart and come forward...For JUSTICE for Natalee....
Compliments of ROBOTS...
I HATE THEM ALL...

It really would have been nice to have someone from that Island that cared.Although much time has gone by.I still believe Justice is achievable.Do i believe this particular group of men went down there to find Natalee.NOPE.I hope to be wrong but think i'd only be fooling myself.I hope Islandmonkey will be able to shed somemore light on these companies...
KTF...on a lighter note from my last post..what has been researched and shared the last couple of days are really starting to connect the dots to the evil that is the island of aruba and the MEP that rule....and throw in the American traitors.. with the international oil ties...
If half of this is true, Beth and Dave never had a chance of getting Justice for Natalee...just disgusting...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 07, 2009, 01:52:36 AM
What a great couple of days....the core group of Monkeys and now Freebird monkeys are hard at work putting things together...and what a story that is being exposed...
Caps is all washed up....(at one point, I admit...I thought he may be legit in unfolding what happened to Natalee..some compelling chit) but the researchers at SM saw through that on pretty much exposed Caps...
What happened with persistence and John S, Louis S, Tim T.....no one says it better than Kermit...AMERICAN TRAITORS...
I hope to heck that our FBI and State department nail their arses to the wall...
and kyle...if you read hear....you need to come clean, clear your heart and come forward...For JUSTICE for Natalee....
Compliments of ROBOTS...
I HATE THEM ALL...

It really would have been nice to have someone from that Island that cared.Although much time has gone by.I still believe Justice is achievable.Do i believe this particular group of men went down there to find Natalee.NOPE.I hope to be wrong but think i'd only be fooling myself.I hope Islandmonkey will be able to shed somemore light on these companies...
Natalee is everyone's daughter... The hell that Beth and Dave have been put through is beyond forgiveness.....
Exposure will come, and hell will come to those that brought hell to Beth and Dave...
kyle...you listening?



Kyle named his daughter Natalee.Think about that.Really.Every second,of everyday he will think about the choice he made.It will eat him from the inside out until he speaks the TRUTH!I pray Kyle at some point realizes the ramifications of the choices he has made and the hell he has brought to two,innocent,loving,caring parents,as well as the memory of Natalee Holloway!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 07, 2009, 01:54:01 AM
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Icehawk...you cracked me up yesterday ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 07, 2009, 01:58:48 AM
What a great couple of days....the core group of Monkeys and now Freebird monkeys are hard at work putting things together...and what a story that is being exposed...
Caps is all washed up....(at one point, I admit...I thought he may be legit in unfolding what happened to Natalee..some compelling chit) but the researchers at SM saw through that on pretty much exposed Caps...
What happened with persistence and John S, Louis S, Tim T.....no one says it better than Kermit...AMERICAN TRAITORS...
I hope to heck that our FBI and State department nail their arses to the wall...
and kyle...if you read hear....you need to come clean, clear your heart and come forward...For JUSTICE for Natalee....
Compliments of ROBOTS...
I HATE THEM ALL...

It really would have been nice to have someone from that Island that cared.Although much time has gone by.I still believe Justice is achievable.Do i believe this particular group of men went down there to find Natalee.NOPE.I hope to be wrong but think i'd only be fooling myself.I hope Islandmonkey will be able to shed somemore light on these companies...
KTF...on a lighter note from my last post..what has been researched and shared the last couple of days are really starting to connect the dots to the evil that is the island of aruba and the MEP that rule....and throw in the American traitors.. with the international oil ties...
If half of this is true, Beth and Dave never had a chance of getting Justice for Natalee...just disgusting...

We must always keep our eyes on those POS Van Der Sloot's.This started with J2k,as well as Paulus and then all thos POS jumped on board to cover up a girl's MURDER.Van Der Stratten,Vocking,Wit,Dompig,Janssen,Carlo,Mos,Comemencia,Richardson,etc,etc,etc.We must continue until the real story is told in regards to what Paulus knows,as well as what the AMERICAN TRAITORS got outta tha deal.PERIOD....WE ARE WATCHING..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 07, 2009, 01:59:13 AM
Good night Lifesong, Anna, Keepthefaith, batfish22, Icehawk and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
Icehawk...you cracked me up yesterday ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

GoodNight BILLB!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 07, 2009, 02:03:06 AM
What a great couple of days....the core group of Monkeys and now Freebird monkeys are hard at work putting things together...and what a story that is being exposed...
Caps is all washed up....(at one point, I admit...I thought he may be legit in unfolding what happened to Natalee..some compelling chit) but the researchers at SM saw through that on pretty much exposed Caps...
What happened with persistence and John S, Louis S, Tim T.....no one says it better than Kermit...AMERICAN TRAITORS...
I hope to heck that our FBI and State department nail their arses to the wall...
and kyle...if you read hear....you need to come clean, clear your heart and come forward...For JUSTICE for Natalee....
Compliments of ROBOTS...
I HATE THEM ALL...

It really would have been nice to have someone from that Island that cared.Although much time has gone by.I still believe Justice is achievable.Do i believe this particular group of men went down there to find Natalee.NOPE.I hope to be wrong but think i'd only be fooling myself.I hope Islandmonkey will be able to shed somemore light on these companies...
KTF...on a lighter note from my last post..what has been researched and shared the last couple of days are really starting to connect the dots to the evil that is the island of aruba and the MEP that rule....and throw in the American traitors.. with the international oil ties...
If half of this is true, Beth and Dave never had a chance of getting Justice for Natalee...just disgusting...


I think you are right that they never had a chance. . . . and I think they knew this long before we monkeys did because of seeing it first hand.  I just hope and pray that justice is still forthcoming and that something will happen or somebody will come forward and bring resolution.

So if Mos is leaving this summer, he may likely close the investigation yet again.  I wonder if all those blue booklets in the  background behind Dolphi Richardson will contain only blank pages by then.  Will the family get the records or not?  Is ther anything left to give them or has Paulus managed to scrub them clean by now?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 07, 2009, 02:03:57 AM
What a great couple of days....the core group of Monkeys and now Freebird monkeys are hard at work putting things together...and what a story that is being exposed...
Caps is all washed up....(at one point, I admit...I thought he may be legit in unfolding what happened to Natalee..some compelling chit) but the researchers at SM saw through that on pretty much exposed Caps...
What happened with persistence and John S, Louis S, Tim T.....no one says it better than Kermit...AMERICAN TRAITORS...
I hope to heck that our FBI and State department nail their arses to the wall...
and kyle...if you read hear....you need to come clean, clear your heart and come forward...For JUSTICE for Natalee....
Compliments of ROBOTS...
I HATE THEM ALL...

It really would have been nice to have someone from that Island that cared.Although much time has gone by.I still believe Justice is achievable.Do i believe this particular group of men went down there to find Natalee.NOPE.I hope to be wrong but think i'd only be fooling myself.I hope Islandmonkey will be able to shed somemore light on these companies...
Natalee is everyone's daughter... The hell that Beth and Dave have been put through is beyond forgiveness.....
Exposure will come, and hell will come to those that brought hell to Beth and Dave...
kyle...you listening?



Kyle named his daughter Natalee.Think about that.Really.Every second,of everyday he will think about the choice he made.It will eat him from the inside out until he speaks the TRUTH!I pray Kyle at some point realizes the ramifications of the choices he has made and the hell he has brought to two,innocent,loving,caring parents,as well as the memory of Natalee Holloway!

TIME WILL TELL THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY STORY ARUBA.THAT'S ONE THING YOU WILL NEVER ESCAPE NO MATTER HOW F'ING HARD YOU TRY.TIME IS ON OUR SIDE.WE'LL BE WATCHING EACH AND EVERY DAY.40 YRS,1 DAY,1HR,1 MINUTE,AND 1 SECOND IF NECESSARY...

                                 JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY
                                    GOD BLESS AND GOODNIGHT
                                              KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 07, 2009, 02:04:08 AM
What a great couple of days....the core group of Monkeys and now Freebird monkeys are hard at work putting things together...and what a story that is being exposed...
Caps is all washed up....(at one point, I admit...I thought he may be legit in unfolding what happened to Natalee..some compelling chit) but the researchers at SM saw through that on pretty much exposed Caps...
What happened with persistence and John S, Louis S, Tim T.....no one says it better than Kermit...AMERICAN TRAITORS...
I hope to heck that our FBI and State department nail their arses to the wall...
and kyle...if you read hear....you need to come clean, clear your heart and come forward...For JUSTICE for Natalee....
Compliments of ROBOTS...
I HATE THEM ALL...

It really would have been nice to have someone from that Island that cared.Although much time has gone by.I still believe Justice is achievable.Do i believe this particular group of men went down there to find Natalee.NOPE.I hope to be wrong but think i'd only be fooling myself.I hope Islandmonkey will be able to shed somemore light on these companies...
KTF...on a lighter note from my last post..what has been researched and shared the last couple of days are really starting to connect the dots to the evil that is the island of aruba and the MEP that rule....and throw in the American traitors.. with the international oil ties...
If half of this is true, Beth and Dave never had a chance of getting Justice for Natalee...just disgusting...

We must always keep our eyes on those POS Van Der Sloot's.This started with J2k,as well as Paulus and then all thos POS jumped on board to cover up a girl's MURDER.Van Der Stratten,Vocking,Wit,Dompig,Janssen,Carlo,Mos,Comemencia,Richardson,etc,etc,etc.We must continue until the real story is told in regards to what Paulus knows,as well as what the AMERICAN TRAITORS got outta tha deal.PERIOD....WE ARE WATCHING..
I am a believer in Minnesota Dad's theory.
PAULASS IS YOUR PERP....
Good night KTF....you guys and gals have been awesome with all the research!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 07, 2009, 02:08:22 AM
When Oduber went on Aruban national TV and said that they couldn't have a tourist come to harm at the hands of locals, that was their code signal to close ranks and that is what the entire island did. 

Without even having to be told, each one joined in the show to fool the tourist and marched in lock step.  Each did what they could to obfuscate and obstruct at each and every turn.  Coordinated effort but the task force was charged with enforcement and organizing it.

And the rest of the island just merrily fell in line, glad to do whatever they could to further the cause, the cause of preventing this family for ever even knowing what happene to their daughter.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on February 07, 2009, 02:35:39 AM
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GoodNight BILLB!



 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 07, 2009, 04:36:39 AM
WRECK?? I am leaving this for you in here hoping you will find it!

I'm sorry mods and Klaas. But when I spend THIS long making one, I'm bringing it special delivery.......

The WRECK, the WRECK, the WRECK is on FIRE..... ::MonkeyDance::

(Your Halloween Avi ought to be a cinch!)

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/fire-wreck3.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/fire-wreck3.gif


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 07, 2009, 05:20:09 AM
Quote
Early departure for Aruban Public Prosecutor

Published: Saturday 07 February 2009 09:55 UTC
Last updated: Saturday 07 February 2009 09:55 UTC

Hans Mos, the head of the Public Prosecutor's Office on Aruba, is to quit his position this summer. He has shed no light on the reasons for his early departure. The most important case handled during his tenure was that of Natalee Holloway, the US student who disappeared from the island in 2005. The case, which is still not closed and which is estimated to have cost more than seven and a half million euros, has led to increasing criticism of Mr Mos.

The announcement of his departure comes at a time when relationships between Aruba and the Netherlands are strained. The Aruban Justice Minister, Rudy Croes, has accused the Netherlands of spying after serious allegations about Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and a member of Mr Croes' family were found in a confidential document produced by the Dutch delegation to the island.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6167133/Early-departure-for-Aruban-Public-Prosecutor

it would be a good thing if this gets some international attention.
maybe Greta can do an item about.
to show that Hero Brinkman was right when he said that 'Aruba is as corrupt as hell'.
this corruption enabled the cover-up in the Holloway-case.

no surprise Croes wanted to punch Brinkman in the head, Van der Straten wanted him arrested and he was thrown out of the Dutch delegation.

(http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00589/sloot_589580i.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 07, 2009, 06:44:26 AM
police office Edgar Maduro who got injured and was treated in hospital after he was hit by the car of Hendrik Croes (who did an hit-and-run) is appealing his case.

Edgar Maduro - yes, the victim - got a prison sentence of 4 months and 160 hours community service.

(Hendrik Croes is former justice minister and brother of current justice minister Rudy Croes)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52431.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 07, 2009, 06:57:41 AM
-Aruban minister plenipotentiary Frido Croes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frido_Croes) says Mos wasn't fired because of VNO-gate but decided on his own to leave.

-says Casper van de Schaft's contract was due to expire anyway

-he calls the VNO-report a disgrace, and gossips. the worst thing is that it's written down.

-he expects The Netherlands to apologize for the leaked internal VNO report and call the ones who wrote this back

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20090207_mos-vertrek


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 07, 2009, 08:57:02 AM
arubagirl  October 2005:



First of all, the big problem is Rudy Croes, since apparently the Netherlands has been making noises that they do not approve of him as Minister of Justice. Big drama among Rudy's supporters, with the words "meddling in autonomous affairs" being heard the most often. See, the problem with that sentiment is that the Netherlands does still give us money. So they do appropriate a right to have some say in who is going to actually spend the money. Unless we manage to be completely on our own (yeah, right), we're just going to have to grin down and bear it.

Rudy, magnanimous guy that he is, has let it be known that he is willing to settle for the Ministry of Tourism, on the condition that his brother, Hendrik Croes, becomes Minister of Justice.

Hendrik Croes.

Excuse me while I have a good laugh.

See, if there is one corrupt person on this island, it's Hendrik Croes. The Netherlands is never going to accept Hendrik Croes. The thing is, that Rudy Croes surely must be savvy enough to know this, so I'm wondering if he's forcing a showdown between MEP and the rest of the people who are loyal to MEP because of Betico Croes (founder and revered late leader of MEP). As Nel said: 11 (majority) - 1 (Rudy?) = 0 (no majority)


http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 07, 2009, 09:05:08 AM
I have a question.  If Matindale is correct, it seems that Antonio Carlo is an Aruban Government attorney.  Wouldn't it be a conflict to also be Joran's attorney??

Antonio Amadeo Diomedes Aniano Carlo
Partner
  LinkedIn
Carlo & van der Sloot
Constantijn Huygensstraat 5
Oranjestad, Aruba


Experience & Credentials
 


Practice Areas   Banking Law; Corporate Law; Intellectual Property Law; Labor Law; Real Estate Law; Transactions; Contract Law
 
Education   Catholic University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands (LL.M., 1990)
 
Admitted   1995, Aruba
 
Memberships   Bar of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.
 
Languages   Dutch, English, Spanish and Papiamento
 
Born   Curaçao, July 26, 1957
 
Biography   General Counsel local bank. Government Attorney Government's Legal Department.
 
ISLN   912522720

http://www.martindale.com/Antonio-Amadeo-Diomedes-Aniano/1143898-lawyer.htm
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 07, 2009, 10:02:58 AM
I know this has already been posted:

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6167133/Early-departure-for-Aruban-Public-Prosecutor

Early departure for Aruban Public Prosecutor
Published: Saturday 07 February 2009 09:55 UTC
Last updated: Saturday 07 February 2009 09:55 UTC
 
Hans Mos, the head of the Public Prosecutor's Office on Aruba, is to quit his position this summer. He has shed no light on the reasons for his early departure. The most important case handled during his tenure was that of Natalee Holloway, the US student who disappeared from the island in 2005. The case, which is still not closed and which is estimated to have cost more than seven and a half million euros, has led to increasing criticism of Mr Mos.

The announcement of his departure comes at a time when relationships between Aruba and the Netherlands are strained. The Aruban Justice Minister, Rudy Kroes, has accused the Netherlands of spying after serious allegations about Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and a member of Mr Kroes' family were found in a confidential document produced by the Dutch delegation to the island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 10:41:11 AM

Good Morning, Monkeys!

Ya'll have been busy!

http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin/?rqstyp=CRPIC&rqsdta=silvetti

Louisiana Secretary of State
Name Search Results
(Active Records Shown in Bold)

JOHN D. SILVETTI, Registered Agent, LAFAYETTE RENTAL REFERENCING, INC.

JOHN D. SILVETTI, Director, LAFAYETTE RENTAL REFERENCING, INC.

JOHN DAVID SILVETTI, II, Member, GEOLAB SILVETTI & COMPANY, L.L.C.

JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, Member, FUFENYAK HOLDING CO., L.L.C.

JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, Member, MARINE SURVEYS, L.L.C.

JOHN D. SILVETTI, Director, AIM FOR A CURE, INC.

JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, Member, OSV DETERMINATION, L.L.C.

JOHN SILVETTI, II, Member, ALTERNATIVE POSITIONING SOLUTIONS, L.L.C.

JOHN SILVETTI, II, Member, SILVETTI MARINE SERVICES, L.L.C.


ROBERTA J. SILVETTI, Registered Agent, LAFAYETTE RENTAL REFERENCING, INC.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 10:45:58 AM


Louisiana Secretary of State
Detailed Record
Charter/Organization ID: 36112592K

Name: FUFENYAK HOLDING CO., L.L.C.

Type Entity: Limited Liability Company

Status: Active

Annual Report Status: In Good Standing         Add Certificate of Good Standing to Shopping Cart

Last Report Filed on 12/31/2008

Mailing Address: 401-B MECCA DR., LAFAYETTE, LA 70508

Domicile Address: 401-B MECCA DR., LAFAYETTE, LA 70508

File Date: 02/06/2006

Registered Agent (Appointed 2/06/2006): ROBERT L. BROUSSARD, 220 HEYMANN BLVD., LAFAYETTE, LA 70503

Member: JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, 205 LINDA DR., LAFAYETTE, LA 70507



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
Hotshot did NOT introduce Monkey Mia!


My apologies, Klaas.  I didn't mean to cause you trouble.

While I was thinking of these quotes from HotShot below, I see now that Monkey Mia's first post was 8 minutes earlier at 08:55:26 PM.

Quote
HotShot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -
« Reply #660 on: January 31, 2009, 09:03:49 PM »

Ohhhhh Call out the frog...I smell her coming!  Or call out the newbie frog.

Quote
HotShot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -
« Reply #669 on: January 31, 2009, 09:14:55 PM »

Ahhhh the other frog, is here I see.  Hi Mia  <<<waving>>>

I did look back over all of my posts on the subject, however, and I am satisfied that I had shown Mia no prior disrespect nor given her cause to be so angry.

 :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 11:20:24 AM

Not sure any of these are the right Tim Trahan...

http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin/?rqstyp=CRPIC&rqsdta=tim+trahan

Louisiana Secretary of State
Name Search Results
(Active Records Shown in Bold)
TIMMY TRAHAN, Secretary/Treasurer, SHADY PINES HUNTING CLUB, INC.

TIMMY TRAHAN, President, SPRIG DRYWALL AND PAINTING, INC.

TIMMY TRAHAN, Registered Agent, D & B PAINTING, LLC

TIMMY TRAHAN, Member or Manager, D & B PAINTING, LLC

TIMOTHY TRAHAN, Registered Agent, SHADY PINES HUNTING CLUB, INC.

TIMOTHY L. TRAHAN, Registered Agent, GULF SOUTH SECURITY LLC

TIMOTHY L. TRAHAN, Member or Manager, GULF SOUTH SECURITY LLC
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 11:34:22 AM


Louisiana Secretary of State
Detailed Record
Charter/Organization ID: 36925547K

Name: OSV DETERMINATION, L.L.C.


Type Entity: Limited Liability Company

Status: Active

Annual Report Status: In Good Standing         Add Certificate of Good Standing to Shopping Cart

Mailing Address: 403 MECCA DRIVE, LAFAYETTE, LA 70508

Domicile Address: 403 MECCA DRIVE, LAFAYETTE, LA 70508

File Date: 12/23/2008

Registered Agent (Appointed 12/23/2008): ROBERT L. BROUSSARD, 220 HEYMANN BLVD., LAFAYETTE, LA 70503

Member: JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, 205 LINDA DRIVE, LAFAYETTE, LA 70508

Member: CONRAD J. DAIGLE, 1409 HWY 356, SUNSET, LA 70584

Member: MARIANNE P. SILVETTI-VOORHIES, 205 LINDA DRIVE, LAFAYETTE, LA 70507

Additional officers may exist on document



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 07, 2009, 11:36:47 AM
Hotshot did NOT introduce Monkey Mia!


My apologies, Klaas.  I didn't mean to cause you trouble.

While I was thinking of these quotes from HotShot below, I see now that Monkey Mia's first post was 8 minutes earlier at 08:55:26 PM.

Quote
HotShot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -
« Reply #660 on: January 31, 2009, 09:03:49 PM »

Ohhhhh Call out the frog...I smell her coming!  Or call out the newbie frog.

Quote
HotShot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -
« Reply #669 on: January 31, 2009, 09:14:55 PM »

Ahhhh the other frog, is here I see.  Hi Mia  <<<waving>>>

I did look back over all of my posts on the subject, however, and I am satisfied that I had shown Mia no prior disrespect nor given her cause to be so angry.

 :smt102

Lifesong - I understand I'm just saying I know who Monkey Mia is and they are not connected to Hotshot in any way, nor are they connected with Kermit.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 07, 2009, 11:44:47 AM
Hotshot did NOT introduce Monkey Mia!


My apologies, Klaas.  I didn't mean to cause you trouble.

While I was thinking of these quotes from HotShot below, I see now that Monkey Mia's first post was 8 minutes earlier at 08:55:26 PM.

Quote
HotShot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -
« Reply #660 on: January 31, 2009, 09:03:49 PM »

Ohhhhh Call out the frog...I smell her coming!  Or call out the newbie frog.

Quote
HotShot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -
« Reply #669 on: January 31, 2009, 09:14:55 PM »

Ahhhh the other frog, is here I see.  Hi Mia  <<<waving>>>

I did look back over all of my posts on the subject, however, and I am satisfied that I had shown Mia no prior disrespect nor given her cause to be so angry.

 :smt102
I have to agree with you. I don't have any beef with MM's opinions -- but they sort of reeked of arrogance.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 07, 2009, 11:47:00 AM
Hotshot did NOT introduce Monkey Mia!


My apologies, Klaas.  I didn't mean to cause you trouble.

While I was thinking of these quotes from HotShot below, I see now that Monkey Mia's first post was 8 minutes earlier at 08:55:26 PM.

Quote
HotShot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -
« Reply #660 on: January 31, 2009, 09:03:49 PM »

Ohhhhh Call out the frog...I smell her coming!  Or call out the newbie frog.

Quote
HotShot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -
« Reply #669 on: January 31, 2009, 09:14:55 PM »

Ahhhh the other frog, is here I see.  Hi Mia  <<<waving>>>

I did look back over all of my posts on the subject, however, and I am satisfied that I had shown Mia no prior disrespect nor given her cause to be so angry.

 :smt102
I have to agree with you. I don't have any beef with MM's opinions -- but they sort of reeked of arrogance.
I meant to say that I don't have a problem with them posting an opposing view -- I definitely disagree with their "conclusions".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 11:51:53 AM

My guess is the OSV Determination LLC and possibly the Fufenyak LLC were formed to purchase ships, then leased back to the company that operates them.

It's a win-win for the LLC members, they keep the asset on their balance sheet and turn a profit on the lease monies (just like owning property and renting it out), and the operating company bears the operating expenses as well as the heaviest burden of the insurance expense as they are operating the ship. 

Lease-back contracts, at least for aircraft in the private aviation industry, are typically slanted toward the owner of the asset.  Further, as you would expect, if the operating company defaults on the lease payments, the owner (LLC) of the asset (aircraft) merely re-claims it to sell or lease it back to another company.

Airplanes or ships, I imagine it works the same way.  So if the Defendents that tanked Superior were members of the LLCs that owned the ships (assets), then if they tanked the company to profit off of the shareholders, even if the company went under they would still walk away with the most valuable assets intact, as those are not owned by the company.  They could then just start a new company and lease the ships back to that one. 







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 07, 2009, 11:54:34 AM

My guess is the OSV Determination LLC and possibly the Fufenyak LLC were formed to purchase ships, then leased back to the company that operates them.

It's a win-win for the LLC members, they keep the asset on their balance sheet and turn a profit on the lease monies (just like owning property and renting it out), and the operating company bears the operating expenses as well as the heaviest burden of the insurance expense as they are operating the ship. 

Lease-back contracts, at least for aircraft in the private aviation industry, are typically slanted toward the owner of the asset.  Further, as you would expect, if the operating company defaults on the lease payments, the owner (LLC) of the asset (aircraft) merely re-claims it to sell or lease it back to another company.

Airplanes or ships, I imagine it works the same way.  So if the Defendents that tanked Superior were members of the LLCs that owned the ships (assets), then if they tanked the company to profit off of the shareholders, even if the company went under they would still walk away with the most valuable assets intact, as those are not owned by the company.  They could then just start a new company and lease the ships back to that one. 






You have that right!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: johan555 on February 07, 2009, 11:56:12 AM
Dutch research
6 Feb, 2009, 15:15 (GMT -04:00)



DEN HAAG - State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld will send a letter Monday to the House with more info on how confidential the week of the Dutch Representation in Aruba on the street could be placed. SP'er Ronald van Raak has yesterday requested.

by Christel of Bebber

In the leaked report incriminating statements about Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, various ministers and the brother of Justice Minister Rudy Croes, Hendrik Croes. Rudy Croes is Witheet that apparently Representation weekly report sent to the Netherlands. During a press conference he accused the Netherlands of espionage practices.
PvdA-Second Chamber John Leerdam, the suggestion that foreign Croes for the Mission to send a report on events in Aruba 'naive'. "We have one in the Netherlands Aruba House. There is reported back what is happening in the Netherlands, "said Leerdam." Such a representation, you just to find out what's going on in politics and in society. There is nothing strange. But you should be cautious in how to write. If the Netherlands Antilles letter face would get such an effect would Netherlands with Argus eyes look to the West. "
Leerdam was not aware that the Netherlands is a liaison to Aruba to Venezuela in the monitor. "Curiously, it is not," he says. "We had during the parliamentary agreed that we would deal with reciprocity." Oduber says now regret to have to cooperate. According Leerdam, the question is how effective that liaison will be. "He or she is dependent on cooperation from the Aruban authorities. Now the relationship is disturbed, the work difficult. "

According to Leerdam take Rudy Croes with his allegations about CIA practices' big words' in the mouth. He will not go into why Croes would pretend he does not understand that there is no question of espionage. The politician has clearly no more harm to blood. "I am called by people from all over the Kingdom who wish to know what is going on. I hear them and tell that not to react violently. "
From Tap wants clarification from the State on Aruba who leaked the letter, but also about whether it is true what they say. "If it is true that the business interests of Aruban politicians so intertwined with their private interests, can not remain impeccable," says the SP'er. He is concerned about statements by Prime Minister Oduber that the relations between the Netherlands and Aruba have been irreparable damage . This is very serious. "

Back to the letter
On March 3, there is a debate in the Lower House where this subject will be. Bijleveld is an internal investigation into the case began. An official of the Ministry of Justice in the Netherlands the week would have mistakenly mailed to one official of the Ministry of Justice in Aruba. Leerdam thinks that measures should be taken to prevent that ever could happen. "Previously we sent letters, e-mails. Maybe that is the solution. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 11:58:09 AM

I did look back over all of my posts on the subject, however, and I am satisfied that I had shown Mia no prior disrespect nor given her cause to be so angry.

 :smt102
I have to agree with you. I don't have any beef with MM's opinions -- but they sort of reeked of arrogance.
I meant to say that I don't have a problem with them posting an opposing view -- I definitely disagree with their "conclusions".

I agree completely, Wreck.  Differing opinions and views are important to challenge our beliefs and lead us to either strengthen our opinion or evolve it.

Especially in this case, critical thinking abilities are as much a requirement as patience!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 12:11:55 PM

Now I'm just shooting in the dark...this may not even be relevant.  I was curious who the Mr. Voorhies is in Marianne Silvetti-Voorhies.  If anyone knows, that'd be great.  I found a Judson Voorhies associated with companies that would easily relate with Silvetti's, but again, I have no idea.

Louisiana Secretary of State
Name Search Results
(Active Records Shown in Bold)


JUDSON A. VOORHIES, Registered Agent, ACERGY US INC.

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, Registered Agent, STOLT COMEX SEAWAY GENERAL CONTRACTING INC.

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, Registered Agent, LOSS MANAGEMENT, INC.

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, Director, LOSS MANAGEMENT, INC.

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, Registered Agent, RESEARCH CONSULTANTS (USA), LTD.

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, Secretary, RESEARCH CONSULTANTS (USA), LTD.

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, Registered Agent, JUSTICIAR COURIERS, INC.

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, Secretary/Treasurer, JUSTICIAR COURIERS, INC.

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, II, President, JUSTICIAR COURIERS, INC.

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, Registered Agent, STOLT COMEX SEAWAY FIELD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, Registered Agent, ACERGY CONCRETE PRODUCTS LLC

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, SR., Registered Agent, MARITIME-SUBSEA CLAIMS, LTD.

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, SR., President, MARITIME-SUBSEA CLAIMS, LTD.

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, II, Vice President, MARITIME-SUBSEA CLAIMS, LTD.


JUDSON A. VOORHIES, Registered Agent, STOLT COMEX SEAWAY CONCRETE PRODUCTS CORPORATION

JUDSON A. VOORHIES, Registered Agent, SO CONTRACTING INC.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 07, 2009, 12:15:06 PM


Louisiana Secretary of State
Detailed Record
Charter/Organization ID: 36925547K

Name: OSV DETERMINATION, L.L.C.


Type Entity: Limited Liability Company

Status: Active

Annual Report Status: In Good Standing         Add Certificate of Good Standing to Shopping Cart

Mailing Address: 403 MECCA DRIVE, LAFAYETTE, LA 70508

Domicile Address: 403 MECCA DRIVE, LAFAYETTE, LA 70508

File Date: 12/23/2008

Registered Agent (Appointed 12/23/2008): ROBERT L. BROUSSARD, 220 HEYMANN BLVD., LAFAYETTE, LA 70503

Member: JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, 205 LINDA DRIVE, LAFAYETTE, LA 70508

Member: CONRAD J. DAIGLE, 1409 HWY 356, SUNSET, LA 70584

Member: MARIANNE P. SILVETTI-VOORHIES, 205 LINDA DRIVE, LAFAYETTE, LA 70507

Additional officers may exist on document



Lifesong,

Nice research!!!   Conrad Daigle is listed with CalDive.......I spent some time last night looking at some stuff.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 07, 2009, 12:20:31 PM

Not sure any of these are the right Tim Trahan...

http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin/?rqstyp=CRPIC&rqsdta=tim+trahan

Louisiana Secretary of State
Name Search Results
(Active Records Shown in Bold)
TIMMY TRAHAN, Secretary/Treasurer, SHADY PINES HUNTING CLUB, INC.

TIMMY TRAHAN, President, SPRIG DRYWALL AND PAINTING, INC.

TIMMY TRAHAN, Registered Agent, D & B PAINTING, LLC

TIMMY TRAHAN, Member or Manager, D & B PAINTING, LLC

TIMOTHY TRAHAN, Registered Agent, SHADY PINES HUNTING CLUB, INC.

TIMOTHY L. TRAHAN, Registered Agent, GULF SOUTH SECURITY LLC

TIMOTHY L. TRAHAN, Member or Manager, GULF SOUTH SECURITY LLC
 


I found some of this last night, too, and was thinking it might be a son...but then, Cajun Miracle pointed out that the name is common.  The Timothy/Timmy I was finding was in his 20s........ :smt102     'Tim' was more difficult to find anything....at least for me, last night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 12:21:05 PM

http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin/?rqstyp=CRPIC&rqsdta=conrad+daigle

Louisiana Secretary of State
Name Search Results
(Active Records Shown in Bold)

CONRAD DAIGLE, Director, AIM FOR A CURE, INC.

CONRAD J. DAIGLE, Member, MARINE SURVEYS, L.L.C.

CONRAD J. DAIGLE, Member, OSV DETERMINATION, L.L.C.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 12:27:03 PM


http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36382577N

Louisiana Secretary of State
Detailed Record
Charter/Organization ID: 36382577N

Name: AIM FOR A CURE, INC.

Type Entity: Non-Profit Corporation

Status: Active

Annual Report Status: In Good Standing         Add Certificate of Good Standing to Shopping Cart

Last Report Filed on 01/07/2009

Mailing Address: 401-B MECCA DRIVE, LAFAYETTE, LA 70508

Domicile Address: 401-B MECCA DRIVE, LAFAYETTE, LA 70508

File Date: 02/14/2007

Registered Agent (Appointed 2/14/2007): ROBERT L. BROUSSARD, 220 HEYMANN BLVD., LAFAYETTE, LA 70503

Director: JOHN D. SILVETTI, 401-B MECCA DRIVE, LAFAYETTE, LA 70508

Director: CONRAD DAIGLE, 1409 HWY 356, SUNSET, LA 70584

Director: MARIANNE S. VOORHIES, 205 LINDA DR., LAFAYETTE, LA 70507



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 12:31:10 PM

2NJ - What I'm finding most interesting in this is "the dog that did not bark".

Louis Schaeffer is nowhere to be found in any of these Louisiana businesses.  Superior Offshore is even inactive now in LA - unless they're operating there without a business license.

Texas' SoS database, iirc, is subscription based.  I'll check on that later this afternoon.

This is so much more interesting than board wars, eh?   ::MonkeyWink::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 07, 2009, 12:35:40 PM

2NJ - What I'm finding most interesting in this is "the dog that did not bark".

Louis Schaeffer is nowhere to be found in any of these Louisiana businesses.  Superior Offshore is even inactive now in LA - unless they're operating there without a business license.

Texas' SoS database, iirc, is subscription based.  I'll check on that later this afternoon.

This is so much more interesting than board wars, eh?   ::MonkeyWink::





Yes, it is more interesting.    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2009, 12:36:33 PM

Now I'm just shooting in the dark...this may not even be relevant.  I was curious who the Mr. Voorhies is in Marianne Silvetti-Voorhies.  If anyone knows, that'd be great.  I found a Judson Voorhies associated with companies that would easily relate with Silvetti's, but again, I have no idea.

snip

Lifesong,
I looked into this a while back and this is what I came up with; not sure it's the right one either but found it interesting.



http://www.myspace.com/mrskbv

About me:
Hello all, I'm Marianne, and I'm a total workaholic! I am married to a sexy bitch named Kim(Jr) and we have 2 beautiful twin daughters, Giulyana (Julie-ahn-ah), and Isabella as well as one 4-legged son . . .Champ the Weimeraner. I am oilfield trash and proud of it. I am also a yankee by blood but raised in the dirty south(and wouldn't have it any other way).

http://www.theatchafalayaexperience.com/

snip:

We are a father-son team and have many years of experience within the swamp, and are knowledgeable of the fauna and flora of the Louisiana ecosystems. Coerte A. Voorhies, Jr. is a consulting geologist (semi-retired) and has knowledge of the geology, history, geography and various ethnic cultures of South Louisiana. Kim B. Voorhies is retired military and has hunted and fished, as well as accompanied his father throughout the marshes and swamps of South Louisiana, assimilating the experience necessary to conduct trips into this wilderness.


(see pics at bottom of page)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 07, 2009, 12:40:32 PM
All this research and knowledge that Monkeys have contributed to this thread that reveals so many aspects of John Silvetti and Louis Schaeffer's undertakings must not be allowed to fade as the topic changes.

Maybe a separate thread can be created to archive all this info until an initiative is taken by Monkey/s to create a document ... a document that exposes the truth behind the financial motivation in regards Persistence endeavor.  My suggestion would be that NO DISCUSSION take place on this new created thread ... only research.

I would take the task upon myself but ... I am currently working on a paper that relates to the KALPOES/PHIL MCGRAW lawsuit ... a paper that I will post on the forum as soon  as it is completed.

Janet
9:40 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 07, 2009, 12:40:59 PM

I did look back over all of my posts on the subject, however, and I am satisfied that I had shown Mia no prior disrespect nor given her cause to be so angry.

 :smt102
I have to agree with you. I don't have any beef with MM's opinions -- but they sort of reeked of arrogance.
I meant to say that I don't have a problem with them posting an opposing view -- I definitely disagree with their "conclusions".

I agree completely, Wreck.  Differing opinions and views are important to challenge our beliefs and lead us to either strengthen our opinion or evolve it.

Especially in this case, critical thinking abilities are as much a requirement as patience!


I agree.  It's nice to see a different opinion.  We don't have to all agree.   It makes us think more when we have a different point of view.  I think you get what I'm trying to say.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 07, 2009, 12:50:35 PM
GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!

Well ... hubby and friends from the Interior just left for the Boat Show in Vancouver along with youngest son and wife.

I offered to stay behind to entertain two grandkids (5/7) who are staying the weekend.  They are playing with their DS' video games right now but ... I think a movie and/or couple games of bowling after lunch is where it is at.

I am not interested in the Boat Show but ... the outing would have been fun.  However ... I know I will have a good day with the kids.  They are growing up so fast.

Have a good Saturday Monkeys!

Janet
9:50 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 07, 2009, 12:58:29 PM
GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!

Well ... hubby and friends from the Interior just left for the Boat Show in Vancouver along with youngest son and wife.

I offered to stay behind to entertain two grandkids (5/7) who are staying the weekend.  They are playing with their DS' video games right now but ... I think a movie and/or couple games of bowling after lunch is where it is at.

I am not interested in the Boat Show but ... the outing would have been fun.  However ... I know I will have a good day with the kids.  They are growing up so fast.

Have a good Saturday Monkeys!

Janet
9:50 AM PT


You are one fun grandma Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 07, 2009, 01:13:15 PM
I believe that several noted that Monkey Mia'a post
re: the cage and the size and shape was
very similiar to that of Crossbow's from CnG in the slideshow.
It was enough to raise eyebrows.

That posting of crossbow almost was verbatim that a new monkey posted the other day in NH thread but under a different name.  It was about the cage, size, shape etc.  I remembered that post and when I read it on the slideshow it was almost the same post.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4475.940


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2009, 01:41:23 PM
http://www.myspace.com/jlex05

Very interesting, Jake (Lexy's son?) worked on the Persistence in Aruba.  Note the pics from Aruba and comments.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 01:49:56 PM
http://www.myspace.com/jlex05

Very interesting, Jake (Lexy's son?) worked on the Persistence in Aruba.  Note the pics from Aruba and comments.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=145480547&albumID=1933832&imageID=18608484

Who is "Matt the ROV guy"? 

(http://a504.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/69/l_afc3755273dbebcd62d6e271806e7b37.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 07, 2009, 02:02:17 PM
Chief public prosecutor Hans Mos is fired
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/07-aruba-voor_002.gif)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52476.php

with its headline, Aruban newspaper Amigoe is following the Trouw version.

Dutch newspaper Trouw says it is because of the leaked internal VNO-report.
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2025318.ece/Aruba_stuurt_hoofdofficier_Mos_weg__.html

Radio Netherlands Worldwide quotes interviewed minister Frido Croes saying it is Hans Mos' own decision.
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20090207_mos-vertrek


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 07, 2009, 02:17:37 PM
GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!

Well ... hubby and friends from the Interior just left for the Boat Show in Vancouver along with youngest son and wife.

I offered to stay behind to entertain two grandkids (5/7) who are staying the weekend.  They are playing with their DS' video games right now but ... I think a movie and/or couple games of bowling after lunch is where it is at.

I am not interested in the Boat Show but ... the outing would have been fun.  However ... I know I will have a good day with the kids.  They are growing up so fast.

Have a good Saturday Monkeys!

Janet
9:50 AM PT


You are one fun grandma Janet.

San ... Papa and Mama are where it is at with daughter's youngest (5/7).  However ... youngest son ... 25 years old going on 10 years if you know what I mean ... is where it is at with eldest grandsons (9/10) if he is present.

Uncle can accomodate their interests in video games ... snowboarding ... surfing ... lazar tag ... indoor rock climbing, etc. ... everything that Papa and Mama gladly tippy toe away from.
 
::MonkeyHaHa::

Magnolia ... I could be wrong but ... when I decipher different aspects Monkey Mia's posts ....

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 07, 2009, 02:19:46 PM

2NJ - What I'm finding most interesting in this is "the dog that did not bark".

Louis Schaeffer is nowhere to be found in any of these Louisiana businesses.  Superior Offshore is even inactive now in LA - unless they're operating there without a business license.

Texas' SoS database, iirc, is subscription based.  I'll check on that later this afternoon.

This is so much more interesting than board wars, eh?   ::MonkeyWink::




I tried spelling the name Schaefer with Just one "F" and came up with this....It may have been previously posted....Sorry if this is a Duplicate!  ::MonkeyWink::


     
 Louisiana Secretary of State - Corporations [Officers] Detail

Organization ID
36708503K Name
SEA TECH INDUSTRIES, L.L.C. Type
Limited Liability Company Status
Active
Last Report Date
 Report Status
In Good Standing Mailing Address
221 GUNTHER LANE, BELLE CHASE, LA 70037 Domicile Address
221 GUNTHER LANE, BELLE CHASE, LA 70037
File Date
 President
 Director
 Secretary
 
Agent Appointed Date
4/02/2008
Above information as provided by state - below are our annotations 
Address (click to find others here)
221 Gunther Ln City/State/ZIP Code (click to find others nearby)
Belle Chasse LA 70037-3157



Registering Agent



Name
LESLIE W. EHRET, 1100 POYDRAS STREET Address 1
SUITE 3600 City
NEW ORLEANS State
LA
ZIP Code
70163-3600
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SUITE 3600 City/State/ZIP Code (click to find others nearby)
NEW ORLEANS LA 70163-



Officers



Name
LOUIS E. SCHAEFER, JR. Title
Member Address
2210 TWIN OAKS BLVD. City
KEMAH
State
TX ZIP Code
77565
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2210 Twin Oaks Blvd City/State/ZIP Code (click to find others nearby)
Kemah TX 77565-2153



Name
BRANDON C. GASPARD Title
Member Address
221 GUNTHER LANE City
BELLE CHASSE
State
LA ZIP Code
70037
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221 Gunther Ln City/State/ZIP Code (click to find others nearby)
Belle Chasse LA 70037-3157





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 07, 2009, 02:23:14 PM
Hotping, you are right....one 'f'.  Thanks.

Lifesong,

What do you think about the ripped pants pic?
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/26/l_934cdacf7f86af40e3ba08a24eb20c80.jpg)http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=145480547&albumID=1933832&imageID=18608484#a=1933832&i=18198120


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 07, 2009, 02:31:54 PM
Sorry, that took me forever to get it right.  BBL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 07, 2009, 02:33:47 PM
For me personally i think it is obvious that the trip was for business purposes under the guise of searching for Natalee Holloway.With all the smart Monkey's,Freebird's,as well as Kermit the dot's will be connected and the GRAND-FINALE TO THE ARUBAN COVER-UP WILL BE EXPOSED....AMERICAN TRAITORS THEY ARE...Love those two sayings Janet and Kermit.The monkey's are doing great research.What a breath of fresh air!! ::MonkeyCool::

Will be on later to contribute.The Gym,as well as the daughters game is where it's at,as well as dinner with the parents.Have a great day Monkey's and throw some strikes Janet! ::MonkeyHaHa::

God Bless the Monkey's..NATALEE'S voice is heard!!

We'll have to start paying Janet if she ever get's those quotes liscensed,and or trademarked! ::MonkeyTongue::

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Mere on February 07, 2009, 02:39:45 PM
I believe that several noted that Monkey Mia'a post
re: the cage and the size and shape was
very similiar to that of Crossbow's from CnG in the slideshow.
It was enough to raise eyebrows.

That posting of crossbow almost was verbatim that a new monkey posted the other day in NH thread but under a different name.  It was about the cage, size, shape etc.  I remembered that post and when I read it on the slideshow it was almost the same post.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4475.940


Hi Magnolia...you are one of my favorite monkeys so I want you to consider that Monkey Mia is not Crossbow.  She is a friend and I hate to see her matched with someone from that forum.  Thanks...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 02:51:04 PM
Hotping, you are right....one 'f'.  Thanks.

Lifesong,

What do you think about the ripped pants pic?
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/26/l_934cdacf7f86af40e3ba08a24eb20c80.jpg)http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=145480547&albumID=1933832&imageID=18608484#a=1933832&i=18198120


2NJ,

I think that's a pretty big tv for a boat.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Seriously though, if "Matt" is the "ROV guy", what did he see and what does he know?  I can only assume until we have more information, that Matt operated the ROV and Kyle operated the cameras and analysed the images.  If that's the case, Matt would have to be looking at the screen to get visuals on positioning the ROV.  He saw everything Kyle saw. 

What did Matt see?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 07, 2009, 02:58:46 PM
Quote
Early departure for Aruban Public Prosecutor

Published: Saturday 07 February 2009 09:55 UTC
Last updated: Saturday 07 February 2009 09:55 UTC

Hans Mos, the head of the Public Prosecutor's Office on Aruba, is to quit his position this summer. He has shed no light on the reasons for his early departure. The most important case handled during his tenure was that of Natalee Holloway, the US student who disappeared from the island in 2005. The case, which is still not closed and which is estimated to have cost more than seven and a half million euros, has led to increasing criticism of Mr Mos.

The announcement of his departure comes at a time when relationships between Aruba and the Netherlands are strained. The Aruban Justice Minister, Rudy Croes, has accused the Netherlands of spying after serious allegations about Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and a member of Mr Croes' family were found in a confidential document produced by the Dutch delegation to the island.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6167133/Early-departure-for-Aruban-Public-Prosecutor

it would be a good thing if this gets some international attention.
maybe Greta can do an item about.
to show that Hero Brinkman was right when he said that 'Aruba is as corrupt as hell'.
this corruption enabled the cover-up in the Holloway-case.

no surprise Croes wanted to punch Brinkman in the head, Van der Straten wanted him arrested and he was thrown out of the Dutch delegation.

(http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00589/sloot_589580i.jpg)



Is that Gerald Dompig on the left?  Or am I seeing things.  I hope it is the latter!

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 07, 2009, 02:59:31 PM
Here again I don't know if this is a Duplicate but I'm going for it anyways.. ::MonkeyTongue::

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-txsdce/case_no-4:2008cv01472/case_id-577680/

Stiebel v. Superior Offshore International, Inc et al DO NOT DOCKET IN. CASE CONSOLIDATED UNDER 4:08CV0687
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Plaintiff: Cary Stiebel
Defendant: Superior Offshore International, Inc, Louis E Schaefer, Jr., James J. Mermis, Roger D Burks, R Joshua Koch, Jr, Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith Inc. and J.P. Morgan Securities, Inc.
 
Case Number: 4:2008cv01472
Filed: May 13, 2008
 
Court: Texas Southern District Court
Office: Securities/Commodities Office [ Court Info ]
County: XX US, Outside State
Presiding Judge: Judge Nancy F. Atlas
Presiding Judge: Judge Keith P Ellison
 
Nature of Suit: Other Statutes - Securities/Commodities/Exchanges
Cause: Federal Question
Jurisdiction: Federal Question
Jury Demanded By: 15:77 Securities Fraud


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 03:02:41 PM

Hotping

Thank you for that!  Schaefer - not Schaeffer. 

Awesome!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 07, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
Here again I don't know if this is a Duplicate but I'm going for it anyways.. ::MonkeyTongue::

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-txsdce/case_no-4:2008cv01472/case_id-577680/

Stiebel v. Superior Offshore International, Inc et al DO NOT DOCKET IN. CASE CONSOLIDATED UNDER 4:08CV0687
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Plaintiff: Cary Stiebel
Defendant: Superior Offshore International, Inc, Louis E Schaefer, Jr., James J. Mermis, Roger D Burks, R Joshua Koch, Jr, Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith Inc. and J.P. Morgan Securities, Inc.
 
Case Number: 4:2008cv01472
Filed: May 13, 2008
 
Court: Texas Southern District Court
Office: Securities/Commodities Office [ Court Info ]
County: XX US, Outside State
Presiding Judge: Judge Nancy F. Atlas
Presiding Judge: Judge Keith P Ellison
 
Nature of Suit: Other Statutes - Securities/Commodities/Exchanges
Cause: Federal Question
Jurisdiction: Federal Question
Jury Demanded By: 15:77 Securities Fraud

I know I'm quoting Myself but I left off this link  ::MonkeyConfused::

http://dockets.justia.com/search?q=Joshua+Smith


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 07, 2009, 03:05:31 PM

Hotping

Thank you for that!  Schaefer - not Schaeffer. 

Awesome!


YW!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 07, 2009, 03:16:34 PM
I find Rudy Croes comments about the CIA highly insulting.  Our CIA does not conduct internal espionage.  Their mission statement deals only with foreign concerns.

Guess if it is American, it has to be bad, evil, etc. huh, Rudy?

Reminds me of Karin Janssen's remark about going in like cowboys.  Believe me, they could only be improved by cowboys.  They couldn't muster the character of one cowboy on that entire island.

Rudy can kiss my CIA.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 07, 2009, 03:23:16 PM
Quote
Early departure for Aruban Public Prosecutor

Published: Saturday 07 February 2009 09:55 UTC
Last updated: Saturday 07 February 2009 09:55 UTC

Hans Mos, the head of the Public Prosecutor's Office on Aruba, is to quit his position this summer. He has shed no light on the reasons for his early departure. The most important case handled during his tenure was that of Natalee Holloway, the US student who disappeared from the island in 2005. The case, which is still not closed and which is estimated to have cost more than seven and a half million euros, has led to increasing criticism of Mr Mos.

The announcement of his departure comes at a time when relationships between Aruba and the Netherlands are strained. The Aruban Justice Minister, Rudy Croes, has accused the Netherlands of spying after serious allegations about Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and a member of Mr Croes' family were found in a confidential document produced by the Dutch delegation to the island.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6167133/Early-departure-for-Aruban-Public-Prosecutor

it would be a good thing if this gets some international attention.
maybe Greta can do an item about.
to show that Hero Brinkman was right when he said that 'Aruba is as corrupt as hell'.
this corruption enabled the cover-up in the Holloway-case.

no surprise Croes wanted to punch Brinkman in the head, Van der Straten wanted him arrested and he was thrown out of the Dutch delegation.

(http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00589/sloot_589580i.jpg)



Is that Gerald Dompig on the left?  Or am I seeing things.  I hope it is the latter!

 

yes, it's Dompig.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 07, 2009, 03:25:51 PM
Schaefer Holdings/LP

 http://www.secinfo.com/dsvRu.u243.b.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2009, 03:26:44 PM

Now I'm just shooting in the dark...this may not even be relevant.  I was curious who the Mr. Voorhies is in Marianne Silvetti-Voorhies.  If anyone knows, that'd be great.  I found a Judson Voorhies associated with companies that would easily relate with Silvetti's, but again, I have no idea.

snip

Lifesong,
I looked into this a while back and this is what I came up with; not sure it's the right one either but found it interesting.



http://www.myspace.com/mrskbv

About me:
Hello all, I'm Marianne, and I'm a total workaholic! I am married to a sexy bitch named Kim(Jr) and we have 2 beautiful twin daughters, Giulyana (Julie-ahn-ah), and Isabella as well as one 4-legged son . . .Champ the Weimeraner. I am oilfield trash and proud of it. I am also a yankee by blood but raised in the dirty south(and wouldn't have it any other way).

http://www.theatchafalayaexperience.com/

snip:

We are a father-son team and have many years of experience within the swamp, and are knowledgeable of the fauna and flora of the Louisiana ecosystems. Coerte A. Voorhies, Jr. is a consulting geologist (semi-retired) and has knowledge of the geology, history, geography and various ethnic cultures of South Louisiana. Kim B. Voorhies is retired military and has hunted and fished, as well as accompanied his father throughout the marshes and swamps of South Louisiana, assimilating the experience necessary to conduct trips into this wilderness.


(see pics at bottom of page)


I think this is probably the right one!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=54363642



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 07, 2009, 03:31:43 PM
caesu,

Does it say what Dompig is doing there?  What does any of this have to do with him, I wonder.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 07, 2009, 03:36:12 PM
I find Rudy Croes comments about the CIA highly insulting.  Our CIA does not conduct internal espionage.  Their mission statement deals only with foreign concerns.

Guess if it is American, it has to be bad, evil, etc. huh, Rudy?

Reminds me of Karin Janssen's remark about going in like cowboys.  Believe me, they could only be improved by cowboys.  They couldn't muster the character of one cowboy on that entire island.

Rudy can kiss my CIA.

.

Rudy Croes isn't talking about the American CIA.
he is saying the Dutch representation on Aruba is some kind of 'Dutch CIA', spying on Aruba.
http://www.minbzk.nl/vertegenwoordiging-aruba/engels/the-representation

he should have said AIVD, this is General Intelligence and Security Service of the Netherlands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Intelligence_and_Security_Service

although there is an AIVD / navy liason officer at the Dutch representation.
this is to gather intelligence about Venezuela.
now Rudy Croes suspects this officer is also spying on Aruba itself.
that's why he wants the liason officer to leave and he won't cooperate with the Dutch representation anymore.

but i think most of it is just fake outrage and empty threats.
he just wants to get the most out of this.
Monday the Dutch will apologize and call the ones who wrote the internal report back.
Croes wants to embarrass the Dutch as much as possible.

but i think, the leaked internal report, which he made public himself, is most embarrassing for Croes.
because anyone who is following the Aruban justice department just a little bit, knows this report comes very close to the truth.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/j63d3r.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 07, 2009, 03:38:21 PM
caesu,

Does it say what Dompig is doing there?  What does any of this have to do with him, I wonder.



it's just a still photo of Rudy Croes, what Greta used on her broadcast while she was talking to Hero Brinkman in December 2008.
i guess it's some press conference Rudy Croes gave with Dompig in 2005.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2009, 03:39:37 PM
caesu,

Does it say what Dompig is doing there?  What does any of this have to do with him, I wonder.



JMO, but I think that's an old picture.  However, from recent articles Dompig wants back in ALE, and Rudy didn't seem to object at all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 03:42:25 PM


Quote
Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007on: January 15, 2009, 02:09:07 PM 
Started by Blonde, Message by Blonde Relevance: 47.7%

http://www.iberianet.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/news/news00.txt

From here to Aruba

BY JEFF MOORE, THE DAILY IBERIAN
Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:37 PM CST

<snip>

Marc Broussard, project manager for the Silvetti Group, said the company normally performs surveys looking for oil rigs and downed helicopters. Now, it will be using its high-resolution SONAR equipment to look for a body.

To upgrade its systems for the terrain in Aruba, Broussard said the Silvetti Group looked to its vendors, two of which are based in New Iberia.

Seatronics, located at the Port of Iberia, agreed to donate some of its high-tech electronic equipment to scan the ocean floor.

“I told (Silvetti) any opportunity that we had to go in on such a good cause, we would go in on it,” said Erik McGuire, vice president of Seatronics Inc.

“We’re more than happy to give the best effort possible to recover this girl for her family.”

Pro Log Inc. also stepped forth to provide a command center building where all of the surveying equipment will be stored. Like many people around the country, Pro Log Human Resources Director Heidi Parker said she has been following Holloway’s disappearance closely.

“We’re a family-owned business, so family is very important to us,” Parker said. “Anything we can do to help this family out is something that we’re going to do.”

<snip>

I know we're all pretty familiar with this article by now, but I have to say...

I'd be right ticked off if I'd donated a bldg. or expensive high-tech equipment for a charitable endeavor and then found out it was used to not only undermine the charitable purpose, but also to create a map of the sea-floor with a very high value in the marketplace.

Just sayin'   ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 04:04:11 PM



From Hotping's link:  http://www.secinfo.com/dsvRu.u243.htm#1ca5  regarding Schaefer Holdings

Reads as though Schaefer Holdings only has 2 partners, Louis Schaefer and R. Joshua Koch



http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpinxtc&rqsdta=KOCH+R+JOSHA+++32216860DO02

Louisiana Secretary of State
Name Search Results
(Active Records Shown in Bold)


R. JOSHA KOCH, Vice President, KOCH ENERGY CORPORATION

R. JOSHUA KOCH, Registered Agent, D.S.I., INC.

R. JOSHUA KOCH, Registered Agent, SOUTHLAND OIL AND GAS CO., INC.

R. JOSHUA KOCH, Registered Agent, DYNAMIC DIVING SERVICES, L.L.C.

R. JOSHUA KOCH, Registered Agent, EQUINE ENTERPRISES, L.L.C.

R. JOSHUA KOCH, Registered Agent, RENAL SERVICE GROUP, L.L.C.

R. JOSHUA KOCH, Registered Agent, VASSAR DESIGN, L.L.C.

R. JOSHUA KOCH, Registered Agent, ABSOLUTELY SUPERB CATERING SERVICE, L.L.C.

R. JOSHUA KOCH, JR., Registered Agent, ROC PAUL STUDIOS, L.L.C.

R. JOSHUA KOCH, JR., Manager, SKP REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS, L.L.C.


R. JOSHUA KOCH, JR., Registered Agent, PERITONEAL DIALYSIS SYSTEMS, L.L.C.
 
R. JOSHUA KOCH, JR., Registered Agent, SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL, L.L.C.

R. JOSHUA KOCH, JR., Registered Agent, GREENHEAD RENTALS, L.L.C.

R. JOSHUA KOCH, JR., Registered Agent, KOCH, L.L.C.

R. JOSHUA KOCH, JR., Member or Manager, KOCH, L.L.C.


R. JOSUA KOCH, JR., Registered Agent, SPECIALTY RENTALS, L.L.C.


So Silvetti had Layfayette Rental Referencing (no longer active), Koch had Specialty Rentals (no longer active) and now has Greenhead Rentals.


I gotta run get some Saturday stuff done.  I'll be back tonight to work on the Texas info., but will pop in and out to read in the meantime.

Have a great afternoon everyone!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 07, 2009, 04:10:16 PM
Regarding the pictures in the cage:

Kyle posted that they were using a SeaEye Falcon 1266 ROV.

This ROV is rated to 300 meters.

Clear pictures at 90 feet would be nothing!  Camera specs listed at this site:

http://www.seaeye.com/falcon.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on February 07, 2009, 04:24:32 PM
Hi All.


Has this name Nino croes ever been mentioned.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 07, 2009, 04:34:55 PM
WRECK?? I am leaving this for you in here hoping you will find it!

I'm sorry mods and Klaas. But when I spend THIS long making one, I'm bringing it special delivery.......

The WRECK, the WRECK, the WRECK is on FIRE..... ::MonkeyDance::

(Your Halloween Avi ought to be a cinch!)

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/fire-wreck3.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/fire-wreck3.gif

Bad CBB. Bad.   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 04:36:10 PM

From Hotping's link:  http://www.secinfo.com/dsvRu.u243.htm#1ca5  regarding Schaefer Holdings

Reads as though Schaefer Holdings only has 2 partners, Louis Schaefer and R. Joshua Koch


http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpinxtc&rqsdta=KOCH+R+JOSHA+++32216860DO02

Louisiana Secretary of State
Name Search Results
(Active Records Shown in Bold)

R. JOSHA KOCH, Vice President, KOCH ENERGY CORPORATION

<snip>


Koch Energy Corp., opened in 1978 just dissolved on 11/18/2008.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 07, 2009, 04:39:08 PM
Chief public prosecutor Hans Mos is fired
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/07-aruba-voor_002.gif)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52476.php

with its headline, Aruban newspaper Amigoe is following the Trouw version.

Dutch newspaper Trouw says it is because of the leaked internal VNO-report.
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2025318.ece/Aruba_stuurt_hoofdofficier_Mos_weg__.html

Radio Netherlands Worldwide quotes interviewed minister Frido Croes saying it is Hans Mos' own decision.
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20090207_mos-vertrek

I wonder if Mos knows he is fired yet.  Appears to be their style to state it in the paper but not tell the person.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 07, 2009, 05:04:52 PM
Hi All.


Has this name Nino croes ever been mentioned.

Not that I can recall.  They have pretty good english though.

Quote
Nino Croes
anton@setarnet.aw
31 Mar 2004
19:16:32


Hi I am from Aruba and work at the Divi Village. I have some good idea for everyone who want to have a nice vacation here in Aruba. First you can buy a cell-phone so you don't have to use your phone in your room whitch is too expensive. Local calls will be cheaper than than hotel phone. But also you can buy prepaid phonecard whitch you can use at the cabin around the island. But than you have to go around to find one. That is why a cell-phone is more helpfull. You can make international calls too. For a minute you pay about 60 cent to call USA and Canada. Or it could be cheaper too. And at night it more cheaper. Where to buy cell-phone? At the teleshop behind Royal Plaza you can buy the cell-phone of your choice. When you go home you can take it with you and bring it back next year.No fee to open a prepaid cell phone. Just buy the card to charge it and enjoy your calls.

Regards

http://www.visitaruba.com/guestbook/guests2004.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 07, 2009, 05:07:20 PM
http://novus.telearuba.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=17&Itemid=57

Telearuba Staff:

Vincent (Nino) Croes 
Nino ta un di e veteranonan na Telearuba, e tin en total 31 aña trahando cu Telearuba.
Desde 1983 Nino ta trahando como technical director di noticia y diferente otro
programanan produci pa Telearuba. Prome cu esaki Nino a yega di traha como editor,
video operator, shadier y a traha tambe den e departamento di production. Nino ta
haya su trabou hopi varia.

Nino is one of  Telearuba’s veteran; he has been working with the company for about
31 years. Nino works as a technical director of Telenoticia and many other programs
produced by Telearuba since 1983. Before 1983 he worked as editor, video operator,
shadier and has also worked in the production department. Nino finds his job to be
diverse.

 
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/nino1.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on February 07, 2009, 05:08:09 PM
Hi All.


Has this name Nino croes ever been mentioned.

Not that I can recall.  They have pretty good english though.

Quote
Nino Croes
anton@setarnet.aw
31 Mar 2004
19:16:32


Hi I am from Aruba and work at the Divi Village. I have some good idea for everyone who want to have a nice vacation here in Aruba. First you can buy a cell-phone so you don't have to use your phone in your room whitch is too expensive. Local calls will be cheaper than than hotel phone. But also you can buy prepaid phonecard whitch you can use at the cabin around the island. But than you have to go around to find one. That is why a cell-phone is more helpfull. You can make international calls too. For a minute you pay about 60 cent to call USA and Canada. Or it could be cheaper too. And at night it more cheaper. Where to buy cell-phone? At the teleshop behind Royal Plaza you can buy the cell-phone of your choice. When you go home you can take it with you and bring it back next year.No fee to open a prepaid cell phone. Just buy the card to charge it and enjoy your calls.

Regards

http://www.visitaruba.com/guestbook/guests2004.html





Yes that's what I found. And it led me to Arubian Vatos


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 07, 2009, 05:38:29 PM
Hotping, you are right....one 'f'.  Thanks.

Lifesong,

What do you think about the ripped pants pic?
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/26/l_934cdacf7f86af40e3ba08a24eb20c80.jpg)http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=145480547&albumID=1933832&imageID=18608484#a=1933832&i=18198120


2NJ,

I think that's a pretty big tv for a boat.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Seriously though, if "Matt" is the "ROV guy", what did he see and what does he know?  I can only assume until we have more information, that Matt operated the ROV and Kyle operated the cameras and analysed the images.  If that's the case, Matt would have to be looking at the screen to get visuals on positioning the ROV.  He saw everything Kyle saw. 

What did Matt see?

Sorry, I am not sure I would know how to do a side by side, but it's the boat, regardless of the TV size.  I found this in Blonde's Search for Natalee thread.

You have a point about Matt.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/aruba21.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 05:41:49 PM

That's Eduardo, yes?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2009, 05:57:23 PM
Hotping, you are right....one 'f'.  Thanks.

Lifesong,

What do you think about the ripped pants pic?
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/26/l_934cdacf7f86af40e3ba08a24eb20c80.jpg)http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=145480547&albumID=1933832&imageID=18608484#a=1933832&i=18198120


2NJ,

I think that's a pretty big tv for a boat.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Seriously though, if "Matt" is the "ROV guy", what did he see and what does he know?  I can only assume until we have more information, that Matt operated the ROV and Kyle operated the cameras and analysed the images.  If that's the case, Matt would have to be looking at the screen to get visuals on positioning the ROV.  He saw everything Kyle saw. 

What did Matt see?

Sorry, I am not sure I would know how to do a side by side, but it's the boat, regardless of the TV size.  I found this in Blonde's Search for Natalee thread.

You have a point about Matt.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/aruba21.jpg)




Didn't take long at all to set that profile to "private".    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 07, 2009, 05:57:48 PM
That is probably the denim they used..and that was seen.
jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 07, 2009, 06:06:11 PM
That is probably the denim they used..and that was seen.
jmho

Edward,  that is the thought I had when I saw that picture.  Sad/sick thought.....but denim, it is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 07, 2009, 06:14:30 PM
Texasmom,

Good eye, finding the site is set to private, now.    ::MonkeyWink::

I've been too busy this afternoon to be here for any length of time, and will be leaving for a fundraiser dance.  Won't be back until late. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 06:16:19 PM
That is probably the denim they used..and that was seen.
jmho

Edward,  that is the thought I had when I saw that picture.  Sad/sick thought.....but denim, it is.


That never even occurred to me.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 07, 2009, 06:22:03 PM
That is probably the denim they used..and that was seen.
jmho

Clean, neat edges.  Those pants were cut and not torn.

Guess that helps clear the denim question up.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 07, 2009, 06:23:39 PM
Thanks for telling me that is an older photo of Dompig.  I have actually had nightmares about that man.  I know Rudy called him a "tremendous" police chief and am fearful that any day we will read he has been reinstated.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 07, 2009, 06:25:50 PM
I do hope our Dutch posters are noting that we go after our own just as much or maybe more when we think they may have been involved in wrong-doing.

Normally, I don't think of myself as dense, although I may well be, I can't follow that company conglomerate information.

Unless somebody can make a flow chart, I will never understand it.  It's not necessary that I do however if others can.

Good work even though I don't like the picutre that is emerging.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2009, 06:37:17 PM
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm


Messrs. L. E. and J. Mansur (represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona and Mr. John H. van der Kuyp) v. the Netherlands, Communication No. 883/1999, U.N. Doc. CCPR/C/67/D/883/1999 (9 November 1999).

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Messrs. L. E. and J. Mansur (represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona and Mr. John H. van der Kuyp) v. the Netherlands, Communication No. 883/1999, U.N. Doc. CCPR/C/67/D/883/1999 (9 November 1999).
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CCPR/C/67/D/883/1999


9 November 1999

Original: ENGLISH


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HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTEE

Sixty-seventh session

18 October - 5 November 1999


VIEWS

Submitted by: Messrs. L. E. and J. Mansur (represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona and Mr. John H. van der Kuyp)

Alleged victim: The authors


State party: The Netherlands


Date of the communication: 12 October 1999

Date of adoption of Views: 9 November 1999

On 9 November 1999, the Human Rights Committee adopted its Views under article 5, paragraph 4, of the Optional Protocol in respect of communication No. 883/1999. The text of the Views is appended to the present document.

[ANNEX]


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ANNEX*

DECISIONS OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTEE DECLARING COMMUNICATIONS INADMISSIBLE UNDER THE OPTIONAL PROTOCOL TO THE INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AND POLITICAL RIGHTS

-Sixty-seventh session -

concerning



Communication No. 883/1999

Submitted by: Messrs. L. E. and J. Mansur (represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona and Mr. John H. van der Kuyp)

Alleged victim: The authors


State party: The Netherlands


Date of the communication: 12 October 1999


The Human Rights Committee, established under article 28 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights,


Meeting on 5 November 1999


Adopts the following:

Decision on admissibility

1. The authors of the communication are Luis Emilio Mansur and Jossy Mehsen Mansur, Dutch citizens who are residents of Aruba. They claim to be victims of violations by the Kingdom of the Netherlands of their rights under articles 2 and 17 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. The victims are represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona of The Hague, the Netherlands and Mr. John H. Van der Kuyp of Oranjestad, Aruba.


The facts as submitted by the authorsThe facts as submitted by the authors



2.1 The authors are members of the business community in Aruba. Among other enterprises Luis Emilio Mansur is co-owner of a shipping company and Jossy Mehren Mansur is owner and editor-in-chief of a newspaper and co-owner of a trading company.


2.2 Under a Royal Decree of 22 October 1994 the Interim Head of Aruban Security Service, A. Koerten, was instructed to carry out an investigation into the security and integrity of Aruba. A report on this investigation was produced on 20 April 1995, entitled Security and Integrity of Aruba: Context and Perspective.


2.3 The report was issued as top secret and was sent to a limited number of state officials and institutions, named in the report.


2.4 The report draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are Aalmost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.@ The report mentions the authors by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities.


2.5 Despite the fact that the report was classified as top secret it was leaked to the press and its contents became public. It is not clear who leaked the report. An investigation of the leak was carried out by the Dutch Internal Security Service in which it was supposedly found that the leaked photocopy was not made from a copy in the hands of the Minister of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs or another Dutch official. The investigation report did not state of which copy the photocopy was made.


2.6 The authors claim that the allegations against them in the report are totally false and that as a result of the report becoming public their reputations were severely harmed. This led to serious damage to their business interests. They claim that by allowing the report to become public the State party violated their rights not to be subjected to unlawful attacks on their honour and reputation, protected under article 17 of the Covenant.


2.7 The authors requested the Minister of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs to disassociate himself from the report. When he refused, they initiated summary proceedings in the court of first instance in Aruba. In these proceedings they requested a declaration that the State party, the Minister of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs and the Interim Head of the Security Service of Aruba had no evidence that the authors were involved in laundering money or in fraudulent actions.


2.8 The court of first instance ruled that it had no competence to peruse the claim against the State party and that the Official Secrets Act justified refusing a remedy against the Interim Head of Security.


2.9 The authors filed an appeal against the dismissal of their summary action with the Joint Court of Justice of the Dutch Antilles and Aruba. Contrary to the judgment of the lower court this court held that the courts were competent to peruse a claim against the State party. However, the Court held that the authors had failed to demonstrate, nor make probable, that the defendants had been negligent in allowing publication of the report and that they could not be held responsible for acting in violation of article 17 of the Covenant.


2.10 The authors did not challenge the above decision before the Netherlands Supreme Court as they were advised by a Dutch cassation attorney that they had no grounds for a successful cassation appeal.


The author's claimsThe author's claims


3.1 The authors claim that by not preventing publication of the information relating to them contained in the secret report the State party has violated their rights under article 17 of the Covenant. They further claim that the directives of the State party regarding classification of secret information and the requirement of the Court in the summary proceedings that the authors prove the negligence of the State party result in a violation of the duty of the State party, under article 2, paragraph 3, of the Covenant, to provide an effective remedy for violation of their rights under article 17.


3.2 The authors claim that by pursuing summary proceedings they have exhausted domestic remedies. They concede, however, that the domestic law does Aoffer the possibility of a civil standard procedure (before the same instance as where the summary proceedings were lost), yet going through this procedure takes up at least 4 to 6 years (in view of the existing possibilities for appeal and cassation).


Issues and Proceeding before the Committee


4.1 Before considering any claim contained in a communication, the Human Rights Committtee must, in accordance with rule 87 of its Rules of Procedure, decide whether or not it is admissible under the Optional Protocol to the Covenant.


4.2 From the materials presented by the authors it is clear that within the framework of summary proceedings the domestic courts could not examine the factual allegations of the authors. These could only be examined in a standard civil action. The authors have conceded that they have not commenced a standard civil procedure against the State party for a remedy for the alleged attack on their honour and reputation in violation of article 17 of the Covenant. In the circumstances, the Committee cannot accept the mere assertion by the authors that the application of domestic remedies will be unreasonably prolonged. Accordingly, the communication is inadmissible under article 5, paragraph 2 (b) of the Optional Protocol.


5. The Human Rights Committee therefore decides:


(a) that the communication is inadmissible under article 5, paragraph 2 (b) of the Optional Protocol;

(b) that this decision shall be communicated to the authors and, for information, to the State party.


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*Made public by decision of the Human Rights Committee.

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*The following members of the Committee participated in the examination of the present communication: Mr. Abdelfattah Amor, Mr. Nisuke Ando, Mr. Prafullachandra N. Bhagwati, Ms. Christine Chanet, Lord Colville, Ms. Elizabeth Evatt, Mr. Eckart Klein, Mr. David Kretzmer, Ms. Cecilia Medina Quiroga, Mr. Fausto Pocar, Mr. Martin Scheinin, Mr. Hipólito Solari Yrigoyen, Mr. Roman Wieruszewski and Mr. Maxwell Yalden.


[Adopted in English, French and Spanish, the English text being the original version. Subsequently to be translated also in Arabic, Chinese and Russian as part of the Committee's annual report to the General Assembly.]


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   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #597 on: December 04, 2008, 03:40:45 PM »
 

Quote
John van der Kuip got exclusive info on the case and went to holland intellignet to speak on the case.

came back to Aruba

Last thing he drank was coffee and died not even 10 minutes later at home.

Couse of dead never was performed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 07, 2009, 06:52:14 PM


.

STAY AWAY FROM THAT ARUBAN COFFEE!

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2009, 06:55:28 PM
Another link to a document I found interesting RE: Mansur

http://www.trusteesinforms.com/IMPERIAL%20TRUST%20N.V/ImpTrust%20defEnglish%2018Sep03.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 07, 2009, 07:07:18 PM
Someone needs to explain to Rudy that the CIA doesn't investigate corruption internally.  That's the FBI's job.

And since several in Aruba trained at the FBI, so it is claimed, they should fully understand the various functions of the different agencies.  Guess this is a reflection of their general failure to grasp things very factually.

Rudy's buddy Dompig should be able to explain it all to him perfectly since he is supposed to be one of those trained by the FBI.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2009, 07:14:07 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Timing....

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=897

Papiamentu translation:

judge y abogadonan owing to as 1 minuut of silencio for defunto mr. john van der kuyp

thursday, 06 march 2008

oranjestad – yesterday morning first cu judge owing to cuminsa read the sentencianan of casonan sumario y also casonan civil, past owing to dedica some word at mr. john van der kuyp that tuesday in oranan of nightfall diripiente owing to become bad y owing to fayece. first cu judge owing to cuminsa take away word, all the abogadonan present owing to arise stop for so show the respet y tributo at mr. john van der kuyp. judge owing to tell cu mr. john van der kuyp by 1986 is registra because; advocate y is one person cu owing to haci much for country aruba provided that especial in the part huridico. judge owing to tell cu tuesday nightfall all the personal of corte owing to stay conmovi cu the lamentable news cu mr. john van der kuyp owing to fayece. past owing to tell cu mr. john van der kuyp owing to bay let we at one edad relativamente young esta 64 year. judge owing to describi cu mr. john van der kuyp was one person much ocupa y such vez that was the motibo also cu past owing to bay let we so early. after of the words here, judge owing to ask all present for as one minuut of silencio because; tributo at mr. john van der kuyp.tabata momentonan cu are you feel cu much person was afecta cu the dead repentino of mr. john van der kuyp, provided that especial the abogadonan cu owing to work cune y esnan cu conoce good. cu mr. john van der kuyp sosega at peace. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 07, 2009, 07:14:29 PM
Tamarijn Aruba All Inclusive
Kids Free  5 Nights From $899

Including airfare.

Pretty soon they will be paying you to stay there!

Don't, however, no matter how cheap it is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 07:26:50 PM

<<snipped: the part that should definately be read & thank you texasmom for posting it.>>

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   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #597 on: December 04, 2008, 03:40:45 PM »
 

Quote
John van der Kuip got exclusive info on the case and went to holland intellignet to speak on the case.

came back to Aruba

Last thing he drank was coffee and died not even 10 minutes later at home.

Couse of dead never was performed.


That happened to Tim Russert at work. 

He had a heart attack.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 07, 2009, 08:33:07 PM
I think the connection among Silvetti, Schaefer, Trahan
and the others lies in the projects they work on, not on
paperwork of companies.  They are all in the business
of retrieving oil and gas from beneath the sea.  They are
probably friends and they talk and compare notes and bid
the same jobs.  Each one is just as crooked as the next
and they know to not put too much trust in one another.
There is no honor among thieves.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 07, 2009, 08:51:51 PM
I think the connection among Silvetti, Schaefer, Trahan
and the others lies in the projects they work on, not on
paperwork of companies.  They are all in the business
of retrieving oil and gas from beneath the sea.  They are
probably friends and they talk and compare notes and bid
the same jobs.  Each one is just as crooked as the next
and they know to not put too much trust in one another.
There is no honor among thieves.

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 07, 2009, 10:17:26 PM
I think the connection among Silvetti, Schaefer, Trahan
and the others lies in the projects they work on, not on
paperwork of companies.  They are all in the business
of retrieving oil and gas from beneath the sea.  They are
probably friends and they talk and compare notes and bid
the same jobs.  Each one is just as crooked as the next
and they know to not put too much trust in one another.
There is no honor among thieves.

I agree.
I agree also. I'll say it again -- I think Kyle WANTED to do what was right and moral until he realized his employment in the future dictated that he put his allegence to those "thieves".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 07, 2009, 10:28:12 PM


.

STAY AWAY FROM THAT ARUBAN COFFEE!

.

SPANISH COFFEE IS WHERE IT IS AT!!!

I survived three of those decadent delicious drinks ... then was told their was alcohol in them.  My weaky knees and flushed cheeks should have given me a clue but ...

Hey ... think about.  Columbian coffee does not have alcohol in it.  Why should Spanish Coffee.

It just does not make sense.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 07, 2009, 10:29:13 PM
I think the connection among Silvetti, Schaefer, Trahan
and the others lies in the projects they work on, not on
paperwork of companies.  They are all in the business
of retrieving oil and gas from beneath the sea.  They are
probably friends and they talk and compare notes and bid
the same jobs.  Each one is just as crooked as the next
and they know to not put too much trust in one another.
There is no honor among thieves.

I agree.

I think you're right too, that just makes sense.  There's no obvious prior Dutch connection coming up in any of these companies either.  At least not in the ownerships.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 07, 2009, 10:30:50 PM
My head hurts!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 07, 2009, 10:33:40 PM
My head hurts!  ::MonkeyCool::

Do you have a fever.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 07, 2009, 10:36:33 PM
My head hurts!  ::MonkeyCool::

Do you have a fever.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
I have a fever in my head and the only cure is............................................. more cowbell!

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x58/rorothe/cowbell.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM
On June 13 2005 a girl named Jacy from Holland sent a video of the dunes (Rock) area of what appeared to be a polis recovery of a body filmed on 6-10-2005

There were many polis and what appeared to be a coroners van off to the left on the video. Also in the video there was a man with two dogs that she said was a man famous in Holland called Harry “the nose” Jongen. He was called the nose because he used a long stick with a hole drilled through the entire length to poke down into the ground and find bodies of victims by smell, and had success in Bosnia during the Balkan war, he discovered many victims and some mass graves. There was skepticism of everything I was seeing and had never heard of the man called Harry the nose before and Jacy thought everyone knew about him and his track record.

On 6-10-2005 Beth learned that Natalee was dead, she was told before an interview with 20/20 and was heard crying behind a closed door by the Mainstream Media.

On the day of 6-10-2005 the family received a call from the FBI on Aruba, and told to go to Beth’s mother’s house and to notify her.The FBI wanted to have the mother tell Beth.

After watching the video several times, I noticed that a body was not actually able to be seen but, there was enough to lead you to conclude that this was a crime scene of some sort. There were polis and other officials and there were men in bio suits (not hazmat suits) covering something with a tarp and sheets in the rock area. Again this video was shot on 6-10-2005 by a man named Ed Smith, from the aru-bay video site although we cannot confirm his name is for a fact Ed Smith. He is also know to post under a name Tony Smith.

Ed Smith filmed the video of what appeared to be a recovery and then on 6-11-2005 he returned to the same location and filmed the painting crew painting over the rocks in the video from the day before. Those videos have become known as the Chicago videos, (http://www.arubassilence.com/chicago.htm) named by the poster who discovered them on the site back in the late summer or fall of 2005.

The video filmed on 6-10-2005 was a part of that collection, however at the time I didn’t realize there were more videos, just the one that appeared to be a recovery scene, and is now missing from the web server and backend parent list. It was removed for a reason Ed will not share with me even though we have had many email conversations. He filmed the video and went to CNN and wanted to sell the video to them, but was offered only $100.00 so he said no way and put the video on his server.

At that point Jacy found the video and forwarded it . At the time, we thought maybe it was a sea creature that washed up and they were recovering that animal. It wasn’t until the fall that I realized there was more to the recovery video, because of the painting done to the rocks in the video filmed the following day. Because why would anyone send a painting crew out to the middle of nowhere and paint over specific rocks? That makes absolutely no sense unless there were painting over the crime scene of Natalee Holloway. To this day there has been no explanation from the ALE or Aruba \ Dutch Authorities as to what actually took place there and why men were painting over these specific rocks.

Harry Jongen, a very well known dutch citizen, he must have found something.

Speculation is that Dompig was delaying to distract, and move Natalee again, off the island and create a runaway story and then follow it up with finding Natalee somewhere other than Aruba.
----------

This came up during a google search on a site that had some past case comments.


this is from my notes,,i do not have a link as to where i saved it from..
but could it be said that ale got the body early on and beth knows it... and she knows persistence was a set-up from the getgo ?.. but why then did dave and tim jump on with persistence and MARCOS ?

 It is all confusing info.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 07, 2009, 10:38:05 PM
My head hurts!  ::MonkeyCool::

Do you have a fever.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
I have a fever in my head and the only cure is............................................. more cowbell!

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x58/rorothe/cowbell.gif)
A1 loves the cowbell!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Monkey Mia on February 07, 2009, 10:38:11 PM
Regarding the pictures in the cage:

Kyle posted that they were using a SeaEye Falcon 1266 ROV.

This ROV is rated to 300 meters.

Clear pictures at 90 feet would be nothing!  Camera specs listed at this site:

http://www.seaeye.com/falcon.html



"300 metre depth rating"  this means that it can stand the pressure of the water at the depth of 300 meters, not that it has a view and range of 300 meters


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 07, 2009, 10:39:36 PM
I think the connection among Silvetti, Schaefer, Trahan
and the others lies in the projects they work on, not on
paperwork of companies.  They are all in the business
of retrieving oil and gas from beneath the sea.  They are
probably friends and they talk and compare notes and bid
the same jobs.  Each one is just as crooked as the next
and they know to not put too much trust in one another.
There is no honor among thieves.

I agree.
I agree also. I'll say it again -- I think Kyle WANTED to do what was right and moral until he realized his employment in the future dictated that he put his allegence to those "thieves".

... and John Silvetti was a dispicable thief.  He allowed the Arubans to take what was not rightfully his to give.  Natalee Holloway remains belong to her family.  Natalee's family had the God-given right to have her brought home to rest on American soil.

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:   John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:   He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle:   John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word.

Kyle: Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days. (05/08/08)

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. (06/10/08)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 07, 2009, 11:01:55 PM
I think the connection among Silvetti, Schaefer, Trahan
and the others lies in the projects they work on, not on
paperwork of companies.  They are all in the business
of retrieving oil and gas from beneath the sea.  They are
probably friends and they talk and compare notes and bid
the same jobs.  Each one is just as crooked as the next
and they know to not put too much trust in one another.
There is no honor among thieves.

I agree.

I think you're right too, that just makes sense.  There's no obvious prior Dutch connection coming up in any of these companies either.  At least not in the ownerships.



They each own their own company with it's own specialty but
they work together to bring the project in.
I think a couple of them use the same lawyer.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 07, 2009, 11:02:20 PM
On June 13 2005 a girl named Jacy from Holland sent a video of the dunes (Rock) area of what appeared to be a polis recovery of a body filmed on 6-10-2005

There were many polis and what appeared to be a coroners van off to the left on the video. Also in the video there was a man with two dogs that she said was a man famous in Holland called Harry “the nose” Jongen. He was called the nose because he used a long stick with a hole drilled through the entire length to poke down into the ground and find bodies of victims by smell, and had success in Bosnia during the Balkan war, he discovered many victims and some mass graves. There was skepticism of everything I was seeing and had never heard of the man called Harry the nose before and Jacy thought everyone knew about him and his track record.

On 6-10-2005 Beth learned that Natalee was dead, she was told before an interview with 20/20 and was heard crying behind a closed door by the Mainstream Media.

On the day of 6-10-2005 the family received a call from the FBI on Aruba, and told to go to Beth’s mother’s house and to notify her.The FBI wanted to have the mother tell Beth.

After watching the video several times, I noticed that a body was not actually able to be seen but, there was enough to lead you to conclude that this was a crime scene of some sort. There were polis and other officials and there were men in bio suits (not hazmat suits) covering something with a tarp and sheets in the rock area. Again this video was shot on 6-10-2005 by a man named Ed Smith, from the aru-bay video site although we cannot confirm his name is for a fact Ed Smith. He is also know to post under a name Tony Smith.

Ed Smith filmed the video of what appeared to be a recovery and then on 6-11-2005 he returned to the same location and filmed the painting crew painting over the rocks in the video from the day before. Those videos have become known as the Chicago videos, (http://www.arubassilence.com/chicago.htm) named by the poster who discovered them on the site back in the late summer or fall of 2005.

The video filmed on 6-10-2005 was a part of that collection, however at the time I didn’t realize there were more videos, just the one that appeared to be a recovery scene, and is now missing from the web server and backend parent list. It was removed for a reason Ed will not share with me even though we have had many email conversations. He filmed the video and went to CNN and wanted to sell the video to them, but was offered only $100.00 so he said no way and put the video on his server.

At that point Jacy found the video and forwarded it . At the time, we thought maybe it was a sea creature that washed up and they were recovering that animal. It wasn’t until the fall that I realized there was more to the recovery video, because of the painting done to the rocks in the video filmed the following day. Because why would anyone send a painting crew out to the middle of nowhere and paint over specific rocks? That makes absolutely no sense unless there were painting over the crime scene of Natalee Holloway. To this day there has been no explanation from the ALE or Aruba \ Dutch Authorities as to what actually took place there and why men were painting over these specific rocks.

Harry Jongen, a very well known dutch citizen, he must have found something.

Speculation is that Dompig was delaying to distract, and move Natalee again, off the island and create a runaway story and then follow it up with finding Natalee somewhere other than Aruba.
----------

This came up during a google search on a site that had some past case comments.


this is from my notes,,i do not have a link as to where i saved it from..
but could it be said that ale got the body early on and beth knows it... and she knows persistence was a set-up from the getgo ?.. but why then did dave and tim jump on with persistence and MARCOS ?

 It is all confusing info.



JUNE 10, 2005

'Scarborough Country' for July 12
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 13, 2005


PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process. You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice. And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared.

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: And wait a second. I mean, these confessions were so rock solid that you actually had the FBI coming to you, coming to your family, Natalee's family, saying, we are sorry to tell you this, but there has been a confession. One of these boys has confessed, and Natalee is no longer alive. How do you pull something like that back off the table? Have you had or has your sister had or has anybody in the family had any explanation from Aruban officials whatever happened to this confession, where they buried it?

REYNOLDS: I am not aware of any follow-up information. You know, this seemed to disappear from sight, these confessions did. At the time, we thought that because the investigation is kept secret, we thought it was ongoing, and maybe they just didn't want to release it officially at that time. But, as we see that the appeals, the hearings are showing there's no evidence, but yet we have these confessions, it doesn't make any sense. It's as if they are being hidden or taken away.

SCARBOROUGH: You know, you said—talked about June the 10th. That's when you all were told that the confession had been made, and you said that the family actually started a grieving process. What did the family do?

REYNOLDS: You know, grieving is—it's a difficult process. We were all notified. We exchanged phone calls, making sure everyone in the family was notified. I even had to tell my children, very upsetting to them, very upsetting to all of us.

SCARBOROUGH: Wait, Paul. Are you telling me, back on June the 10th, you told your children, based on the confession of one of these—these punks that took Natalee away from the bar, that Natalee was dead? This was over a month ago. You had to break it to your family, the entire family, Natalee's entire family, because of the confessions, knew that she was dead, and yet here we are over a month later, and they are still claiming they don't have enough evidence to nail these guys?

REYNOLDS: That's absolutely correct. You know, the FBI had informed my sister based on the initial interrogations that that was their belief. That information was given to our family. And it's just—it's a very difficult thing to go through. Grieving should only be a process you have to go through one time.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 07, 2009, 11:03:04 PM
My above quote was taken from FRANK..
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006/04/aruba-answer-question-how-do-you-know.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 07, 2009, 11:08:49 PM
Regarding the pictures in the cage:

Kyle posted that they were using a SeaEye Falcon 1266 ROV.

This ROV is rated to 300 meters.

Clear pictures at 90 feet would be nothing!  Camera specs listed at this site:

http://www.seaeye.com/falcon.html



"300 metre depth rating"  this means that it can stand the pressure of the water at the depth of 300 meters, not that it has a view and range of 300 meters

I never said it had a 300 meter view.  The reason to deploy an ROV is to sample, video and picture.  There are many, many ROV pics, very clear at much deeper than 90 feet. The basic Seaeye takes very nice pics.  They are all over the net.  I'm not saying the pics we have seen are Natalee because I don't know.  The equipment is more than capable of delivering that quality of picture.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 07, 2009, 11:14:54 PM
My head hurts!  ::MonkeyCool::

It looks terribably painful, Wreck! ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 07, 2009, 11:19:53 PM
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle
:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Professional Qualifications

 
Kyle Kingman
Senior Geophysical Project Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Greater New York City Area

 
Current
Senior Geophysical Operations Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
 
Past
Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
 
Education
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick

Industry
Oil & Energy
_______
 
Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:
 
Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 07, 2009, 11:25:09 PM
... and John Silvetti was a dispicable thief.  He allowed the Arubans to take what was not rightfully his to give.  Natalee Holloway remains belong to her family.  Natalee's family had the God-given right to have her brought home to rest on American soil.

Janet

I think Silvetti was the most dispicable thief.  I think he traded Natalee
for his Aruban/SA business.
That is probably why Schaefer and Trahan are on the outs with him.
It is not that he did something immoral, but that he got one over on
them.  They are still trying to sell the footage to get their share.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 07, 2009, 11:27:04 PM
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle
:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Professional Qualifications

 
Kyle Kingman
Senior Geophysical Project Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Greater New York City Area

 
Current
Senior Geophysical Operations Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
 
Past
Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
 
Education
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick

Industry
Oil & Energy
_______
 
Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:
 
Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464

Just got done looking at numerous photos at 90ft in different Caribbean spots and the clarity is extrodinary!Photoshopped.I think not.Prove it!JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 07, 2009, 11:33:24 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
8:35 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 07, 2009, 11:34:15 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
8:35 PM PT

GoodNight Janet!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2009, 11:44:12 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
8:35 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 07, 2009, 11:45:39 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
8:35 PM PT

Night Janet.  Sleep tight.  Don't let the bedbugs bite.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 07, 2009, 11:47:36 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
8:35 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

TM, you have been so quiet lately.  Are you OK?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Poochy on February 07, 2009, 11:54:51 PM
On June 13 2005 a girl named Jacy from Holland sent a video of the dunes (Rock) area of what appeared to be a polis recovery of a body filmed on 6-10-2005

There were many polis and what appeared to be a coroners van off to the left on the video. Also in the video there was a man with two dogs that she said was a man famous in Holland called Harry “the nose” Jongen. He was called the nose because he used a long stick with a hole drilled through the entire length to poke down into the ground and find bodies of victims by smell, and had success in Bosnia during the Balkan war, he discovered many victims and some mass graves. There was skepticism of everything I was seeing and had never heard of the man called Harry the nose before and Jacy thought everyone knew about him and his track record.

On 6-10-2005 Beth learned that Natalee was dead, she was told before an interview with 20/20 and was heard crying behind a closed door by the Mainstream Media.

On the day of 6-10-2005 the family received a call from the FBI on Aruba, and told to go to Beth’s mother’s house and to notify her.The FBI wanted to have the mother tell Beth.

After watching the video several times, I noticed that a body was not actually able to be seen but, there was enough to lead you to conclude that this was a crime scene of some sort. There were polis and other officials and there were men in bio suits (not hazmat suits) covering something with a tarp and sheets in the rock area. Again this video was shot on 6-10-2005 by a man named Ed Smith, from the aru-bay video site although we cannot confirm his name is for a fact Ed Smith. He is also know to post under a name Tony Smith.

Ed Smith filmed the video of what appeared to be a recovery and then on 6-11-2005 he returned to the same location and filmed the painting crew painting over the rocks in the video from the day before. Those videos have become known as the Chicago videos, (http://www.arubassilence.com/chicago.htm) named by the poster who discovered them on the site back in the late summer or fall of 2005.

The video filmed on 6-10-2005 was a part of that collection, however at the time I didn’t realize there were more videos, just the one that appeared to be a recovery scene, and is now missing from the web server and backend parent list. It was removed for a reason Ed will not share with me even though we have had many email conversations. He filmed the video and went to CNN and wanted to sell the video to them, but was offered only $100.00 so he said no way and put the video on his server.

At that point Jacy found the video and forwarded it . At the time, we thought maybe it was a sea creature that washed up and they were recovering that animal. It wasn’t until the fall that I realized there was more to the recovery video, because of the painting done to the rocks in the video filmed the following day. Because why would anyone send a painting crew out to the middle of nowhere and paint over specific rocks? That makes absolutely no sense unless there were painting over the crime scene of Natalee Holloway. To this day there has been no explanation from the ALE or Aruba \ Dutch Authorities as to what actually took place there and why men were painting over these specific rocks.

Harry Jongen, a very well known dutch citizen, he must have found something.

Speculation is that Dompig was delaying to distract, and move Natalee again, off the island and create a runaway story and then follow it up with finding Natalee somewhere other than Aruba.
----------

This came up during a google search on a site that had some past case comments.


this is from my notes,,i do not have a link as to where i saved it from..
but could it be said that ale got the body early on and beth knows it... and she knows persistence was a set-up from the getgo ?.. but why then did dave and tim jump on with persistence and MARCOS ?

 It is all confusing info.

Edward, I must say I enjoy reading your posts. However I read this and have to correct you - While Chicago510 was indeed a SM poster, he was not the one who 'discovered' the Aru-bay videos. He merely uploaded them and used his 'nic' as a prefix to the uploaded vids. We had conversed back then, and he was mad he didn't save the original video names that were once listed on the www.aru-bay.com site. Unfortunately I had the original names but my old computer crashed....

I'm interested in the video you said 'Jacy' discovered that one missing aru-bay video. Can you upload it?  I always thought that the pic of the guy with the furniture delivery truck talking to Paulus in Paulus' backyard was the same guy who did that rock painting. Both were on the 'larger' side with long hair.

Thanks in advance,
--Poochy


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 12:04:02 AM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
8:35 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

TM, you have been so quiet lately.  Are you OK?

I'm o.k. Magnolia.  Thanks for asking!  I had a scare yesterday, one of my sheltie daughters was missing for several hours.  I was so afraid she was gone forever!  But she's home now, and all is well.  She is the one on the left in my avi, and we've had her since she was five weeks old.  She and her sister are our babies.  It was awful, and I'm so thankful that it turned out o.k.  

I've been doing some research today off and on.  Just haven't had much to post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: COLOMBO on February 08, 2009, 12:13:43 AM
On June 13 2005 a girl named Jacy from Holland sent a video of the dunes (Rock) area of what appeared to be a polis recovery of a body filmed on 6-10-2005

There were many polis and what appeared to be a coroners van off to the left on the video. Also in the video there was a man with two dogs that she said was a man famous in Holland called Harry “the nose” Jongen. He was called the nose because he used a long stick with a hole drilled through the entire length to poke down into the ground and find bodies of victims by smell, and had success in Bosnia during the Balkan war, he discovered many victims and some mass graves. There was skepticism of everything I was seeing and had never heard of the man called Harry the nose before and Jacy thought everyone knew about him and his track record.

On 6-10-2005 Beth learned that Natalee was dead, she was told before an interview with 20/20 and was heard crying behind a closed door by the Mainstream Media.

On the day of 6-10-2005 the family received a call from the FBI on Aruba, and told to go to Beth’s mother’s house and to notify her.The FBI wanted to have the mother tell Beth.

After watching the video several times, I noticed that a body was not actually able to be seen but, there was enough to lead you to conclude that this was a crime scene of some sort. There were polis and other officials and there were men in bio suits (not hazmat suits) covering something with a tarp and sheets in the rock area. Again this video was shot on 6-10-2005 by a man named Ed Smith, from the aru-bay video site although we cannot confirm his name is for a fact Ed Smith. He is also know to post under a name Tony Smith.

Ed Smith filmed the video of what appeared to be a recovery and then on 6-11-2005 he returned to the same location and filmed the painting crew painting over the rocks in the video from the day before. Those videos have become known as the Chicago videos, (http://www.arubassilence.com/chicago.htm) named by the poster who discovered them on the site back in the late summer or fall of 2005.

The video filmed on 6-10-2005 was a part of that collection, however at the time I didn’t realize there were more videos, just the one that appeared to be a recovery scene, and is now missing from the web server and backend parent list. It was removed for a reason Ed will not share with me even though we have had many email conversations. He filmed the video and went to CNN and wanted to sell the video to them, but was offered only $100.00 so he said no way and put the video on his server.

At that point Jacy found the video and forwarded it . At the time, we thought maybe it was a sea creature that washed up and they were recovering that animal. It wasn’t until the fall that I realized there was more to the recovery video, because of the painting done to the rocks in the video filmed the following day. Because why would anyone send a painting crew out to the middle of nowhere and paint over specific rocks? That makes absolutely no sense unless there were painting over the crime scene of Natalee Holloway. To this day there has been no explanation from the ALE or Aruba \ Dutch Authorities as to what actually took place there and why men were painting over these specific rocks.

Harry Jongen, a very well known dutch citizen, he must have found something.

Speculation is that Dompig was delaying to distract, and move Natalee again, off the island and create a runaway story and then follow it up with finding Natalee somewhere other than Aruba.
----------

This came up during a google search on a site that had some past case comments.


this is from my notes,,i do not have a link as to where i saved it from..
but could it be said that ale got the body early on and beth knows it... and she knows persistence was a set-up from the getgo ?.. but why then did dave and tim jump on with persistence and MARCOS ?

 It is all confusing info.

Edward, I must say I enjoy reading your posts. However I read this and have to correct you - While Chicago510 was indeed a SM poster, he was not the one who 'discovered' the Aru-bay videos. He merely uploaded them and used his 'nic' as a prefix to the uploaded vids. We had conversed back then, and he was mad he didn't save the original video names that were once listed on the www.aru-bay.com site. Unfortunately I had the original names but my old computer crashed....

I'm interested in the video you said 'Jacy' discovered that one missing aru-bay video. Can you upload it?  I always thought that the pic of the guy with the furniture delivery truck talking to Paulus in Paulus' backyard was the same guy who did that rock painting. Both were on the 'larger' side with long hair.

Thanks in advance,
--Poochy

for reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr4xnWa1R2M





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 08, 2009, 12:40:59 AM
On June 13 2005 a girl named Jacy from Holland sent a video of the dunes (Rock) area of what appeared to be a polis recovery of a body filmed on 6-10-2005

There were many polis and what appeared to be a coroners van off to the left on the video. Also in the video there was a man with two dogs that she said was a man famous in Holland called Harry “the nose” Jongen. He was called the nose because he used a long stick with a hole drilled through the entire length to poke down into the ground and find bodies of victims by smell, and had success in Bosnia during the Balkan war, he discovered many victims and some mass graves. There was skepticism of everything I was seeing and had never heard of the man called Harry the nose before and Jacy thought everyone knew about him and his track record.

On 6-10-2005 Beth learned that Natalee was dead, she was told before an interview with 20/20 and was heard crying behind a closed door by the Mainstream Media.

On the day of 6-10-2005 the family received a call from the FBI on Aruba, and told to go to Beth’s mother’s house and to notify her.The FBI wanted to have the mother tell Beth.

After watching the video several times, I noticed that a body was not actually able to be seen but, there was enough to lead you to conclude that this was a crime scene of some sort. There were polis and other officials and there were men in bio suits (not hazmat suits) covering something with a tarp and sheets in the rock area. Again this video was shot on 6-10-2005 by a man named Ed Smith, from the aru-bay video site although we cannot confirm his name is for a fact Ed Smith. He is also know to post under a name Tony Smith.

Ed Smith filmed the video of what appeared to be a recovery and then on 6-11-2005 he returned to the same location and filmed the painting crew painting over the rocks in the video from the day before. Those videos have become known as the Chicago videos, (http://www.arubassilence.com/chicago.htm) named by the poster who discovered them on the site back in the late summer or fall of 2005.

The video filmed on 6-10-2005 was a part of that collection, however at the time I didn’t realize there were more videos, just the one that appeared to be a recovery scene, and is now missing from the web server and backend parent list. It was removed for a reason Ed will not share with me even though we have had many email conversations. He filmed the video and went to CNN and wanted to sell the video to them, but was offered only $100.00 so he said no way and put the video on his server.

At that point Jacy found the video and forwarded it . At the time, we thought maybe it was a sea creature that washed up and they were recovering that animal. It wasn’t until the fall that I realized there was more to the recovery video, because of the painting done to the rocks in the video filmed the following day. Because why would anyone send a painting crew out to the middle of nowhere and paint over specific rocks? That makes absolutely no sense unless there were painting over the crime scene of Natalee Holloway. To this day there has been no explanation from the ALE or Aruba \ Dutch Authorities as to what actually took place there and why men were painting over these specific rocks.

Harry Jongen, a very well known dutch citizen, he must have found something.

Speculation is that Dompig was delaying to distract, and move Natalee again, off the island and create a runaway story and then follow it up with finding Natalee somewhere other than Aruba.
----------

This came up during a google search on a site that had some past case comments.


this is from my notes,,i do not have a link as to where i saved it from..
but could it be said that ale got the body early on and beth knows it... and she knows persistence was a set-up from the getgo ?.. but why then did dave and tim jump on with persistence and MARCOS ?

 It is all confusing info.

Edward, I must say I enjoy reading your posts. However I read this and have to correct you - While Chicago510 was indeed a SM poster, he was not the one who 'discovered' the Aru-bay videos. He merely uploaded them and used his 'nic' as a prefix to the uploaded vids. We had conversed back then, and he was mad he didn't save the original video names that were once listed on the www.aru-bay.com site. Unfortunately I had the original names but my old computer crashed....

I'm interested in the video you said 'Jacy' discovered that one missing aru-bay video. Can you upload it?  I always thought that the pic of the guy with the furniture delivery truck talking to Paulus in Paulus' backyard was the same guy who did that rock painting. Both were on the 'larger' side with long hair.

Thanks in advance,
--Poochy

for reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr4xnWa1R2M




Colombo...Is it Your belief that Natalee was sold into human slavery? TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 08, 2009, 12:45:55 AM
Poochy - the Aru-bay index is still available with the names. 

http://www.aru-bay.com/images/?thumb=1

The one video that poster jacy saw and sent to Rob is no longer available.  That is the one everyone has tried to get to no avail.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 08, 2009, 01:12:04 AM
Good Night All!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 01:15:50 AM
Good Night All!  ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 01:32:30 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/MISC4/REOSWCrowd05-1.jpg)

Finally, found the name to go with the face!   ::MonkeyDance::

http://tridentbeauties.blogspot.com/2007_07_01_archive.html

(http://www.tridentbeauties.org/images/muaruba08.jpg)

Sunday, 15 July 2007
Miss Aruba 2007.

Carolina Raven's successor has been chosen. 19 year old, Tracey Nicolaas was chosen the new Miss Aruba on the 15th of July. She will represent Aruba at the 2008 Miss Universe pageant.
Jonella Oduber was elected Miss Aruba International and Boyoura Martijn was elected Miss Aruba World.(FROM l-r Jonella Oduber - Tracey Nicolaas - Boyoura Martijn)

photo credits-Miss Aruba Organization - Promotion

http://www.xclusivomagazine.com/imgs/p2.pdf

DlRECTORA Jacqueline Suttle, E-mail: snip COORDINADOR Atan Lee II ASSlSTENTE Dl PRODUCClON Jonella Oduber snip

snip

http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonella-Oduber/860480516

(http://profile.ak.facebook.com/v227/961/66/n860480516_8613.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 02:01:42 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/ScreenShot003a.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 08, 2009, 03:16:48 AM
Tomorrow is another day!  Never giving up!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 09:00:59 AM
Thank You Poochy for the compliment, I can.t give you the video.. sorry

My point was that Beth new Natalee was dead because of the F.B.I. and THAT video. If ALE had the body they are not going to put the body into a very large crab/fish trap and put in in the ocean.. As Natalee being in the ocean was one of the theory..
IF Beth knew Natalee was dead June 13 2005 and the body recovered by ALE was she in support of Persistence 3 years later ?
Or did she suspect it was an extravagant Hoax ?
Why is it then that Beth and Dave do not appear to be on the same page ?
Although I could see ALE putting the body into a steel oil drum and shipping it to Nicaragua to be dumped in the dense forests there. I would think ALE would opt for a cremation or disposal on land like the landfill..

Anyways.. Is Beth and Dave on the same page .. Or not ? ..Anyone know ?


ALSO.... Luis Mansur is being extradited to the United States in one of the other cases I mentioned he was involved in.
::MonkeyWink::

http://media.elnuevoherald.com/smedia/2009/02/05/17/US_vs__1.7_million.source.prod_affiliate.84.pdf


Confiscated 1.7 million dollars Aruban businessman
GERARDO REYES
El Nuevo Herald


A Miami federal judge ordered the freezing of $ 1.7 million for alleged money laundering in a case involving Luis Emilio Mansur, former owner of an island in Miami and a member of an influential family in Aruba.

Mansur wanted to pay that amount to a driver who was transporting cocaine in agreement with a drug dealer to whom the Aruban businessman advised on money laundering, said the confiscation order issued last week.

A grand jury in the District of Columbia court charged in November 2007 to Mansur and Jose Andres Cid Hernandez and Rafael Mercado-Ochoa drug shipments entering the U.S. from Aruba, Venezuela and Dominican Republic.

In Aruba, Mansur was sentenced late last year to nearly seven years in prison for drug trafficking and money laundering.

Now the State government is pursuing its money and property.

According to the confiscation order of the Federal Court in Miami, the events occurred as follows: in the mid-90's drug dealer joselyn Marin Villalobos washed millions of dollars of dividends from the sale of cocaine with the help of Mansur.

One of the methods used for the bleaching of the endorsement was $ 1.7 million in bonds for the development of La Cabaña Hotel and Casino in Aruba on behalf of a pilot who worked for Marin.

The amount corresponded to the payment of flights that the pilot, who was not identified, had to Marin.

Since the pilot was unable to redeem the bonds, Mansur persuaded to pay the amount with money received from sale of Terminal Island, a port near the deep MacArthur overpass that serves as the ferry terminal of Fisher Island in Miami Beach .

Terminal Island was sold in May 2004 at $ 14 million.

In October of that year, Mansur authorized the transfer of $ 1.7 million from an account of a Miami law firm to another in the name of the Cayman Islands aviator.

For reasons that the document indicates, the transfer did not materialize and Mansur was arrested in Aruba in September 2007.

The employer of some 63 years, faces extradition to the United States.

Mansur is one of six siblings in a family of Lebanese origin who amassed a great fortune in the sale of cigarettes and liquor.

Its operations were extended to Venezuela, Panama and Colombia. In the latter case his partner was former Senator Samuel Santander Lopesierra, one of the largest cigarette smugglers in the area.

Lopesierra was convicted in the United States to 25 years in prison for drug trafficking in late 2007

The activities of Mansur is also planned to South Florida.

According to Broward County records, in 1997, Mansur was co-owner of Sun Terminal, the third largest agency in charge of the port as well as Ocean King, a firm registered in Venezuela load.

During the last decade, the Mansur family has waged an uphill battle to separate his name from repeated accusations of alleged links to money laundering and drug trafficking.

Jossy and his brother Luis, director of the newspaper Diario raised a complaint with the Human Rights Committee of the UN.

The brothers complained that the Kingdom of the Netherlands violated his rights by allowing a leaked secret report of the Security Service of Aruba in which both were linked to drug trafficking organizations.

http://www.elnuevoherald.com/167/story/375287.html

We have a thread at BFN.. Pearl started it and ******* has added the above links..  ::MonkeyCool::
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=9117.msg405094;topicseen#new

This is who I think paid ALE to cover up the murder of Natalee..
and one paulus Van Der sloop is one of the defense attorneys listed in the Domino case where Luis get 7 years but from my understanding that has already been reduced to 6 months..

American justice is reeling him in  ::MonkeyWink:: I think they know, or I hope they know..  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 08, 2009, 09:37:27 AM
Edward

I understand the Luis E. Mansur situation.  What I am not sure of, is if Jossy is actually involved.  I thought Jossy and his kids actually filed something against Luis, in Florida, because they were left out of the Terminal Island proceeds.  I have seen Luis partnered with several people, in his "businesses".  I haven't seen any document that includes Jossy as a partner.  Does anything actually list Jossy? or is it that he gets lumped into the "Mansur" bucket?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 09:51:50 AM
The U.S. Government is the Plaintiff in the above mentioned case..

josy is his own man.. But the family has always worked as a cohesive unit in the past..
A professional group of very rich Con Artists.. jmho

Would josy cover for Luis... ? ..A brothers love.. mo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 08, 2009, 09:58:25 AM
The U.S. Government is the Plaintiff in the above mentioned case..

josy is his own man.. But the family has always worked as a cohesive unit in the past..
A professional group of very rich Con Artists.. jmho

Would josy cover for Luis... ? ..A brothers love.. mo.

That's possible.  Ruben, Michael, Jossy and Alex's children might have some issues with their brother, Luis:

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:58dcbTrUtegJ:caselaw.findlaw.com/data2/floridastatecases/app/app3_10_2008/3D07-1723.pdf+%22+Jossy+Mansur%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=36&gl=us


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 08, 2009, 10:15:08 AM
Colombo

In support of JQK, I am leaving open the "trafficking" possibility.  I just don't understand why any trafficker would carve out an American girl, from a southern state, on vacation with over 100 people.  That just seems a little "unprofessional". And then, if I try to get past that issue, why has someone not done-in the "mouth"?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 10:22:56 AM
DEA-officer David Lorino is equally convinced and has connected the Cuntreras with Ruben Mansur. In his judgement, "Ruben Mansur is major-league.


Plaintiff Ruben Mansur, who hired Ezell to resolve the brewing dispute, suspected Luis and Elias would sell the island and take the money overseas to ARUBA.

Four brothers sued the law firm alleging mistakes by Ezell allowed two other brothers, Luis and Elias Mansur, the property’s investment managers, to abscond with profits from the island’s $15 million sale in 2004.

Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Michael Genden granted summary judgment last year in the case of three of the plaintiff brothers after the firm argued it was acting solely on behalf of client Ruben Mansur and not the other three brothers who sued.

Rubin is noted as one of the BIG names in the family for drug accusations..  Yet his son Rubin JR. is also noted in the news in legitimate business deals.. mo.

Roma Systems, Inc. has signed an international agreement for the development of Tony Roma's restaurants in the Netherlands Antilles. The company also announced the opening of the first international "Tony Roma's Express" which debuted in Caracas, Venezuela.

Ruben Mansur, Jr. will develop a minimum of three new Tony Roma's restaurants in the Netherlands Antilles which includes Curacao, St. Maarten, and Bonaire. Mansur also has the rights to develop an additional Tony Roma's restaurant in Aruba. Several locations are currently under consideration in each of these areas.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2001_Oct_24/ai_79401986/pg_1

They are like termites.. ::MonkeyWink::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 08, 2009, 10:37:41 AM
There are a lot of Mansurs and many ventures.  I guess, since the family has been grateful to Jossy, I would like to see something, in a document, that actually links Jossy, not just the name Mansur,  to nefarious undertakings.

I come from a large family.  Trust me, I am not involved in my brother's endeavors. I don't even want to know about them.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 10:51:23 AM
Tomorrow is another day!  Never giving up!  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, today is another day wreck!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 08, 2009, 11:07:23 AM
Good Morning TM Nimrod and Janet!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2009, 11:13:31 AM
Good Morning hotping.

All is quiet in our home right now but not for long.  Two grandkids (5/7), guests and hubby still sleeping.

I do believe the late service is where it is at.  Maybe I will make a big breakfast.  Maybe I won't.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good day hotping.

Janet
8:15 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 08, 2009, 11:17:24 AM
Good Morning hotping.

All is quiet in our home right now but not for long.  Two grandkids (5/7), guests and hubby still sleeping.

I do believe the late service is where it is at.  Maybe I will make a big breakfast.  Maybe I won't.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good day hotping.

Janet
8:15 AM PT
I asked My Hubby what He wanted for Breakfast and He said Surprise Me.....Hmmmm...Maybe I will!  ::MonkeyWink:: Have A Great Day Janet!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 11:41:27 AM
Good Morning TM Nimrod and Janet!

Good morning Hotping! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2009, 12:18:46 PM
Good Morning hotping.

All is quiet in our home right now but not for long.  Two grandkids (5/7), guests and hubby still sleeping.

I do believe the late service is where it is at.  Maybe I will make a big breakfast.  Maybe I won't.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good day hotping.

Janet
8:15 AM PT
I asked My Hubby what He wanted for Breakfast and He said Surprise Me.....Hmmmm...Maybe I will!  ::MonkeyWink:: Have A Great Day Janet!  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 12:21:45 PM
It is a Beautiful Sunday morning.. Time for morning exercise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVWYmosAsYo&mode=related&search=

Took my youngest kids roller skating yesterday.. I almost killed myself..  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2009, 12:34:06 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
8:35 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

TM, you have been so quiet lately.  Are you OK?

I'm o.k. Magnolia.  Thanks for asking!  I had a scare yesterday, one of my sheltie daughters was missing for several hours.  I was so afraid she was gone forever!  But she's home now, and all is well.  She is the one on the left in my avi, and we've had her since she was five weeks old.  She and her sister are our babies.  It was awful, and I'm so thankful that it turned out o.k.  

I've been doing some research today off and on.  Just haven't had much to post.

texasmom

The household is chaos at this moment but ... I had to share with you.

Our 15 years old Golden Retriever is also like a member of the family.  For the most part ... hubby and I took over her care when youngest son go married 2 1/2 years ago.

Well last night about 10:00 PM hubby and guests arrived home after a day in Vancouver.  Brandi sleeps in an area close to the carport door.  Well, she must have slipped out when everbody returned.  Thirty minnutes ago a neighbour brought her home.  Neigbours returned home about midnight ... saw Brandi wandering ON THE STREET ... observed all lights were out in our house ... so took her back to their home.  Nobody knew she she was missing!!

Considering Brandi is not street wise ...

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
9:30 AM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Poochy on February 08, 2009, 12:50:05 PM
Poochy - the Aru-bay index is still available with the names. 

http://www.aru-bay.com/images/?thumb=1

The one video that poster jacy saw and sent to Rob is no longer available.  That is the one everyone has tried to get to no avail.

Klaasend,

Thanks for the url.

However, I recall when the site was 'up' in 2005 there were small pics of each movie, and different names under each movie other than the names in the url you provided. Other names than 'small movie xxx". If you right clicked on the movie to download, then those names on the url you provided would come up. I'll try to search some old emails for the original names. I know I emailed Chicago510 about those vids so I'll search old email accounts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 08, 2009, 12:57:54 PM
Good Morning hotping.

All is quiet in our home right now but not for long.  Two grandkids (5/7), guests and hubby still sleeping.

I do believe the late service is where it is at.  Maybe I will make a big breakfast.  Maybe I won't.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good day hotping.

Janet
8:15 AM PT
I asked My Hubby what He wanted for Breakfast and He said Surprise Me.....Hmmmm...Maybe I will!  ::MonkeyWink:: Have A Great Day Janet!  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyShocked::
  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 01:02:18 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
8:35 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

TM, you have been so quiet lately.  Are you OK?

I'm o.k. Magnolia.  Thanks for asking!  I had a scare yesterday, one of my sheltie daughters was missing for several hours.  I was so afraid she was gone forever!  But she's home now, and all is well.  She is the one on the left in my avi, and we've had her since she was five weeks old.  She and her sister are our babies.  It was awful, and I'm so thankful that it turned out o.k.  

I've been doing some research today off and on.  Just haven't had much to post.

texasmom

The household is chaos at this moment but ... I had to share with you.

Our 15 years old Golden Retriever is also like a member of the family.  For the most part ... hubby and I took over her care when youngest son go married 2 1/2 years ago.

Well last night about 10:00 PM hubby and guests arrived home after a day in Vancouver.  Brandi sleeps in an area close to the carport door.  Well, she must have slipped out when everbody returned.  Thirty minnutes ago a neighbour brought her home.  Neigbours returned home about midnight ... saw Brandi wandering ON THE STREET ... observed all lights were out in our house ... so took her back to their home.  Nobody knew she she was missing!!

Considering Brandi is not street wise ...

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
9:30 AM PT


Thank goodness for good neighbors; and that Brandi is safe!  Scout is not "street wise" either.  She would have never left the yard, but we think oldest son was probably putting a show on for some friends that were here when he tried to get her in the house that afternoon.  He scared her with his voice and chasing her, and she bolted.  It's not unusual at all to hear coyotes here after dark, and the thought of that was more than I could take!  ::MonkeyWaa:: 
But we are very thankful (oldest son for sure) that Scout is back home and safe.  I have forgiven him, but his father is still mad!

Have a great Sunday!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 08, 2009, 01:17:44 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
8:35 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

TM, you have been so quiet lately.  Are you OK?

I'm o.k. Magnolia.  Thanks for asking!  I had a scare yesterday, one of my sheltie daughters was missing for several hours.  I was so afraid she was gone forever!  But she's home now, and all is well.  She is the one on the left in my avi, and we've had her since she was five weeks old.  She and her sister are our babies.  It was awful, and I'm so thankful that it turned out o.k.  

I've been doing some research today off and on.  Just haven't had much to post.

texasmom

The household is chaos at this moment but ... I had to share with you.

Our 15 years old Golden Retriever is also like a member of the family.  For the most part ... hubby and I took over her care when youngest son go married 2 1/2 years ago.

Well last night about 10:00 PM hubby and guests arrived home after a day in Vancouver.  Brandi sleeps in an area close to the carport door.  Well, she must have slipped out when everbody returned.  Thirty minnutes ago a neighbour brought her home.  Neigbours returned home about midnight ... saw Brandi wandering ON THE STREET ... observed all lights were out in our house ... so took her back to their home.  Nobody knew she she was missing!!

Considering Brandi is not street wise ...

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
9:30 AM PT


Janet...I'm so Glad that Brandi is Home Safe......My Hubby used to tell Me that my Meme (Who passed away in Sept 08 at the age of 14 yrs) was the Luckiest Dog in the World because I treated Her as One of My Children....My Dad Actually used to tell people years ago that when He passed away He wanted to come back as one of My Dogs.....lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 08, 2009, 01:54:14 PM
Good Afternoon, All!

Glad all the Goggie are home and safe!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 08, 2009, 01:57:19 PM
Thank You Poochy for the compliment, I can.t give you the video.. sorry

My point was that Beth new Natalee was dead because of the F.B.I. and THAT video. If ALE had the body they are not going to put the body into a very large crab/fish trap and put in in the ocean.. As Natalee being in the ocean was one of the theory..
IF Beth knew Natalee was dead June 13 2005 and the body recovered by ALE was she in support of Persistence 3 years later ?
Or did she suspect it was an extravagant Hoax ?
Why is it then that Beth and Dave do not appear to be on the same page ?
Although I could see ALE putting the body into a steel oil drum and shipping it to Nicaragua to be dumped in the dense forests there. I would think ALE would opt for a cremation or disposal on land like the landfill..

Anyways.. Is Beth and Dave on the same page .. Or not ? ..Anyone know ?


ALSO.... Luis Mansur is being extradited to the United States in one of the other cases I mentioned he was involved in.
::MonkeyWink::

http://media.elnuevoherald.com/smedia/2009/02/05/17/US_vs__1.7_million.source.prod_affiliate.84.pdf


Confiscated 1.7 million dollars Aruban businessman
GERARDO REYES
El Nuevo Herald


A Miami federal judge ordered the freezing of $ 1.7 million for alleged money laundering in a case involving Luis Emilio Mansur, former owner of an island in Miami and a member of an influential family in Aruba.

Mansur wanted to pay that amount to a driver who was transporting cocaine in agreement with a drug dealer to whom the Aruban businessman advised on money laundering, said the confiscation order issued last week.

A grand jury in the District of Columbia court charged in November 2007 to Mansur and Jose Andres Cid Hernandez and Rafael Mercado-Ochoa drug shipments entering the U.S. from Aruba, Venezuela and Dominican Republic.

In Aruba, Mansur was sentenced late last year to nearly seven years in prison for drug trafficking and money laundering.

Now the State government is pursuing its money and property.

According to the confiscation order of the Federal Court in Miami, the events occurred as follows: in the mid-90's drug dealer joselyn Marin Villalobos washed millions of dollars of dividends from the sale of cocaine with the help of Mansur.

One of the methods used for the bleaching of the endorsement was $ 1.7 million in bonds for the development of La Cabaña Hotel and Casino in Aruba on behalf of a pilot who worked for Marin.

The amount corresponded to the payment of flights that the pilot, who was not identified, had to Marin.

Since the pilot was unable to redeem the bonds, Mansur persuaded to pay the amount with money received from sale of Terminal Island, a port near the deep MacArthur overpass that serves as the ferry terminal of Fisher Island in Miami Beach .

Terminal Island was sold in May 2004 at $ 14 million.

In October of that year, Mansur authorized the transfer of $ 1.7 million from an account of a Miami law firm to another in the name of the Cayman Islands aviator.

For reasons that the document indicates, the transfer did not materialize and Mansur was arrested in Aruba in September 2007.

The employer of some 63 years, faces extradition to the United States.

Mansur is one of six siblings in a family of Lebanese origin who amassed a great fortune in the sale of cigarettes and liquor.

Its operations were extended to Venezuela, Panama and Colombia. In the latter case his partner was former Senator Samuel Santander Lopesierra, one of the largest cigarette smugglers in the area.

Lopesierra was convicted in the United States to 25 years in prison for drug trafficking in late 2007

The activities of Mansur is also planned to South Florida.

According to Broward County records, in 1997, Mansur was co-owner of Sun Terminal, the third largest agency in charge of the port as well as Ocean King, a firm registered in Venezuela load.

During the last decade, the Mansur family has waged an uphill battle to separate his name from repeated accusations of alleged links to money laundering and drug trafficking.

Jossy and his brother Luis, director of the newspaper Diario raised a complaint with the Human Rights Committee of the UN.

The brothers complained that the Kingdom of the Netherlands violated his rights by allowing a leaked secret report of the Security Service of Aruba in which both were linked to drug trafficking organizations.

http://www.elnuevoherald.com/167/story/375287.html

We have a thread at BFN.. Pearl started it and ******* has added the above links..  ::MonkeyCool::
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=9117.msg405094;topicseen#new

This is who I think paid ALE to cover up the murder of Natalee..
and one paulus Van Der sloop is one of the defense attorneys listed in the Domino case where Luis get 7 years but from my understanding that has already been reduced to 6 months..

American justice is reeling him in  ::MonkeyWink:: I think they know, or I hope they know..  ::MonkeyCool::





Edward,
I have never heard before that Beth knew anyting from any AruBay video.

Where did you get that information?  How would you know what Beth thinks or knows?
I find this totally hard to believe.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 02:10:04 PM
here you go Anna..

On June 13 2005 a girl named Jacy from Holland sent a video of the dunes (Rock) area of what appeared to be a polis recovery of a body filmed on 6-10-2005

There were many polis and what appeared to be a coroners van off to the left on the video. Also in the video there was a man with two dogs that she said was a man famous in Holland called Harry “the nose” Jongen. He was called the nose because he used a long stick with a hole drilled through the entire length to poke down into the ground and find bodies of victims by smell, and had success in Bosnia during the Balkan war, he discovered many victims and some mass graves. There was skepticism of everything I was seeing and had never heard of the man called Harry the nose before and Jacy thought everyone knew about him and his track record.

On 6-10-2005 Beth learned that Natalee was dead, she was told before an interview with 20/20 and was heard crying behind a closed door by the Mainstream Media.

On the day of 6-10-2005 the family received a call from the FBI on Aruba, and told to go to Beth’s mother’s house and to notify her.The FBI wanted to have the mother tell Beth.

After watching the video several times, I noticed that a body was not actually able to be seen but, there was enough to lead you to conclude that this was a crime scene of some sort. There were polis and other officials and there were men in bio suits (not hazmat suits) covering something with a tarp and sheets in the rock area. Again this video was shot on 6-10-2005 by a man named Ed Smith, from the aru-bay video site although we cannot confirm his name is for a fact Ed Smith. He is also know to post under a name Tony Smith.

Ed Smith filmed the video of what appeared to be a recovery and then on 6-11-2005 he returned to the same location and filmed the painting crew painting over the rocks in the video from the day before. Those videos have become known as the Chicago videos, (http://www.arubassilence.com/chicago.htm) named by the poster who discovered them on the site back in the late summer or fall of 2005.

The video filmed on 6-10-2005 was a part of that collection, however at the time I didn’t realize there were more videos, just the one that appeared to be a recovery scene, and is now missing from the web server and backend parent list. It was removed for a reason Ed will not share with me even though we have had many email conversations. He filmed the video and went to CNN and wanted to sell the video to them, but was offered only $100.00 so he said no way and put the video on his server.

At that point Jacy found the video and forwarded it . At the time, we thought maybe it was a sea creature that washed up and they were recovering that animal. It wasn’t until the fall that I realized there was more to the recovery video, because of the painting done to the rocks in the video filmed the following day. Because why would anyone send a painting crew out to the middle of nowhere and paint over specific rocks? That makes absolutely no sense unless there were painting over the crime scene of Natalee Holloway. To this day there has been no explanation from the ALE or Aruba \ Dutch Authorities as to what actually took place there and why men were painting over these specific rocks.

Harry Jongen, a very well known dutch citizen, he must have found something.

Speculation is that Dompig was delaying to distract, and move Natalee again, off the island and create a runaway story and then follow it up with finding Natalee somewhere other than Aruba.
----------

This came up during a google search on a site that had some past case comments.


this is from my notes,,i do not have a link as to where i saved it from..
but could it be said that ale got the body early on and beth knows it... and she knows persistence was a set-up from the getgo ?.. but why then did dave and tim jump on with persistence and MARCOS ?

 It is all confusing info.


My above quote was taken from FRANK..
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006/04/aruba-answer-question-how-do-you-know.html




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 02:12:23 PM
On June 13 2005 a girl named Jacy from Holland sent a video of the dunes (Rock) area of what appeared to be a polis recovery of a body filmed on 6-10-2005

There were many polis and what appeared to be a coroners van off to the left on the video. Also in the video there was a man with two dogs that she said was a man famous in Holland called Harry “the nose” Jongen. He was called the nose because he used a long stick with a hole drilled through the entire length to poke down into the ground and find bodies of victims by smell, and had success in Bosnia during the Balkan war, he discovered many victims and some mass graves. There was skepticism of everything I was seeing and had never heard of the man called Harry the nose before and Jacy thought everyone knew about him and his track record.

On 6-10-2005 Beth learned that Natalee was dead, she was told before an interview with 20/20 and was heard crying behind a closed door by the Mainstream Media.

On the day of 6-10-2005 the family received a call from the FBI on Aruba, and told to go to Beth’s mother’s house and to notify her.The FBI wanted to have the mother tell Beth.

After watching the video several times, I noticed that a body was not actually able to be seen but, there was enough to lead you to conclude that this was a crime scene of some sort. There were polis and other officials and there were men in bio suits (not hazmat suits) covering something with a tarp and sheets in the rock area. Again this video was shot on 6-10-2005 by a man named Ed Smith, from the aru-bay video site although we cannot confirm his name is for a fact Ed Smith. He is also know to post under a name Tony Smith.

Ed Smith filmed the video of what appeared to be a recovery and then on 6-11-2005 he returned to the same location and filmed the painting crew painting over the rocks in the video from the day before. Those videos have become known as the Chicago videos, (http://www.arubassilence.com/chicago.htm) named by the poster who discovered them on the site back in the late summer or fall of 2005.

The video filmed on 6-10-2005 was a part of that collection, however at the time I didn’t realize there were more videos, just the one that appeared to be a recovery scene, and is now missing from the web server and backend parent list. It was removed for a reason Ed will not share with me even though we have had many email conversations. He filmed the video and went to CNN and wanted to sell the video to them, but was offered only $100.00 so he said no way and put the video on his server.

At that point Jacy found the video and forwarded it . At the time, we thought maybe it was a sea creature that washed up and they were recovering that animal. It wasn’t until the fall that I realized there was more to the recovery video, because of the painting done to the rocks in the video filmed the following day. Because why would anyone send a painting crew out to the middle of nowhere and paint over specific rocks? That makes absolutely no sense unless there were painting over the crime scene of Natalee Holloway. To this day there has been no explanation from the ALE or Aruba \ Dutch Authorities as to what actually took place there and why men were painting over these specific rocks.

Harry Jongen, a very well known dutch citizen, he must have found something.

Speculation is that Dompig was delaying to distract, and move Natalee again, off the island and create a runaway story and then follow it up with finding Natalee somewhere other than Aruba.
----------

This came up during a google search on a site that had some past case comments.


this is from my notes,,i do not have a link as to where i saved it from..
but could it be said that ale got the body early on and beth knows it... and she knows persistence was a set-up from the getgo ?.. but why then did dave and tim jump on with persistence and MARCOS ?

 It is all confusing info.



JUNE 10, 2005

'Scarborough Country' for July 12
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 13, 2005


PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process. You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice. And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared.

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: And wait a second. I mean, these confessions were so rock solid that you actually had the FBI coming to you, coming to your family, Natalee's family, saying, we are sorry to tell you this, but there has been a confession. One of these boys has confessed, and Natalee is no longer alive. How do you pull something like that back off the table? Have you had or has your sister had or has anybody in the family had any explanation from Aruban officials whatever happened to this confession, where they buried it?

REYNOLDS: I am not aware of any follow-up information. You know, this seemed to disappear from sight, these confessions did. At the time, we thought that because the investigation is kept secret, we thought it was ongoing, and maybe they just didn't want to release it officially at that time. But, as we see that the appeals, the hearings are showing there's no evidence, but yet we have these confessions, it doesn't make any sense. It's as if they are being hidden or taken away.

SCARBOROUGH: You know, you said—talked about June the 10th. That's when you all were told that the confession had been made, and you said that the family actually started a grieving process. What did the family do?

REYNOLDS: You know, grieving is—it's a difficult process. We were all notified. We exchanged phone calls, making sure everyone in the family was notified. I even had to tell my children, very upsetting to them, very upsetting to all of us.

SCARBOROUGH: Wait, Paul. Are you telling me, back on June the 10th, you told your children, based on the confession of one of these—these punks that took Natalee away from the bar, that Natalee was dead? This was over a month ago. You had to break it to your family, the entire family, Natalee's entire family, because of the confessions, knew that she was dead, and yet here we are over a month later, and they are still claiming they don't have enough evidence to nail these guys?

REYNOLDS: That's absolutely correct. You know, the FBI had informed my sister based on the initial interrogations that that was their belief. That information was given to our family. And it's just—it's a very difficult thing to go through. Grieving should only be a process you have to go through one time.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822


And this one Anna ..

The dates line up.. for the video and her knowlege of a death by the F.B.I. telling her so..



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 02:18:03 PM
By the way IF you read my writing you will see ??? and IF's all through it..

I am asking questions... NOT saying I know ANYTHING.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 08, 2009, 02:52:37 PM
No where in any of that does it say Beth watched the AruBay videos and became convinced of anything, Edward.

Nor does Paul Reyolds say that Beth's mother was to tell Beth but just the opposite.

The FBI told Beth whatever it was that made her believe her daughteer was deceased.

It has nothing to do with videos.

And that quote is from ROB even if it was posted by Frank.

I am completely familiar with what is reported to have transpired in this regard and that is why I say there is nothing on record connecting Beth to any videos.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 08, 2009, 02:58:45 PM
Unless he wants to be extradited to the U.S., wouldn't Luis Mansur have to be incredibly stupid to accept a reduction in his seven year senetence so as to make him eligible for extradition?  Otherwise, he can stay in an Aruban jail for seven years before the U.S. has any claim to him.  At least he would be near his family in Aruba.

Guess he must think he will fare pretty well in the U.S. if he is agreeing to all of this.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 08, 2009, 03:00:25 PM
Just my own assumption.
I think that they probably did find Natalee by the rocks on June 10th (if she had been moved a few times before that - I can't say). The cover-up extended to her body being transferred to the cage in the ocean after that date. I still don't buy that Natalee was in the ocean that first night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 03:01:29 PM
and so your point is You know what is fact and what beth has seen or has not ... ic  ::MonkeyRoll::

Well good, then maybe you can answer my querstion..
 which has nothing to do with what you are writing about..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 08, 2009, 03:08:15 PM
and so your point is You know what is fact and what beth has seen or has not ... ic  ::MonkeyRoll::

Well good, then maybe you can answer my querstion..
 which has nothing to do with what you are writing about..



Edward this is what you just said your point was:


My point was that Beth new Natalee was dead because of the F.B.I. and THAT video. If ALE had the body they are not going to put the body into a very large crab/fish trap and put in in the ocean.. As Natalee being in the ocean was one of the theory..
IF Beth knew Natalee was dead June 13 2005 and the body recovered by ALE was she in support of Persistence 3 years later ?
Or did she suspect it was an extravagant Hoax ?
Why is it then that Beth and Dave do not appear to be on the same page ?

Although I could see ALE putting the body into a steel oil drum and shipping it to Nicaragua to be dumped in the dense forests there. I would think ALE would opt for a cremation or disposal on land like the landfill..

Anyways.. Is Beth and Dave on the same page .. Or not ? ..Anyone know ?


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Edward, you are stating this as though it is a fact.  It is not is all I am saying, it is ONLY YOUR OPINION that she saw any AruBay videos at all.

No where has Beth said that she did and no one in her family has said that she saw any of these videos at that point in time nor that they had anything at all to do with her being convinced of anything let alone that Natalee was deceased.

That is my only point.

There is no proof of what you say that these videos convinced Beth of anything because we don't even know if she saw them or not.

If you have a reliable source saying that she did, please post a link to that.  If not, it is your speculation only and not a fact as you stated it.

TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 08, 2009, 03:13:13 PM
and so your point is You know what is fact and what beth has seen or has not ... ic  ::MonkeyRoll::

Well good, then maybe you can answer my querstion..
 which has nothing to do with what you are writing about..




I only know what Beth and her family have said.  No where have I seen her or any family member say Beth watched Arubay videos and became convinced of anything or any videos for that matter.

If you have, please just post the link to that as I am merely saying I have never seen anything previous to even suggest that those videos played any role in any conclusions reached by Beth. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 08, 2009, 03:33:44 PM
and so your point is You know what is fact and what beth has seen or has not ... ic  ::MonkeyRoll::

Well good, then maybe you can answer my querstion..
 which has nothing to do with what you are writing about..




I only know what Beth and her family have said.  No where have I seen her or any family member say Beth watched Arubay videos and became convinced of anything or any videos for that matter.

If you have, please just post the link to that as I am merely saying I have never seen anything previous to even suggest that those videos played any role in any conclusions reached by Beth. 


I agree with Anna -- I've never seen any indication that Beth has commented on (or even referenced) the Aru-bay videos.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 08, 2009, 03:57:46 PM

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Without a Linky, it's just a Stinky!    ::MonkeyWink::


.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 08, 2009, 04:08:43 PM
There are a lot of Mansurs and many ventures.  I guess, since the family has been grateful to Jossy, I would like to see something, in a document, that actually links Jossy, not just the name Mansur,  to nefarious undertakings.

I come from a large family.  Trust me, I am not involved in my brother's endeavors. I don't even want to know about them.   ::MonkeyEek::



Regardless of any love I might have for a brother/sister/uncle/aunt/cousin, I am not willing to go to jail for them nor endanger my own family and children.

And they would know better than to ask or even expect such a thing.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 08, 2009, 04:14:06 PM
So did anyone start a separate thread for all the conglomerate information?

I doubt I could follow it anyway but would be a shame to have to try to find it all again later should it be needed.  Lots of work went into all that.

A Flow Chart would be where it's at for Anna.  But not sure the picture is not emerging anyway, just don't like seeing it. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 08, 2009, 05:01:07 PM
Just my own assumption.
I think that they probably did find Natalee by the rocks on June 10th (if she had been moved a few times before that - I can't say). The cover-up extended to her body being transferred to the cage in the ocean after that date. I still don't buy that Natalee was in the ocean that first night.

I agree with Anna that it was the FBI that told them Natalee was most likely deceased on June 10th and that it had nothing to do with Beth viewing the videos.  Also the post Edward had saved was Rob's post.

I also agree with Wreck that either Natalee's body or blood was found at the rocks area.  It's always been my belief that was a crime scene.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 05:02:27 PM

Well OK friends BUT Dave has and so had Art and we have talked about that with them.. I do not know when..I should have asked..
IF Beth has not..according to news media and tabloid ?  ::MonkeyRoll::
..THEN  was not informed of the video early on when the F.B.I. "who received the video" told her that Natalee was dead.. I do not suppose for one second about the F.B.I. showing her this video ..Nope.. Not Me..  ::MonkeyWink::
I will wait for the news release or grease report.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 05:12:12 PM
There are a lot of Mansurs and many ventures.  I guess, since the family has been grateful to Jossy, I would like to see something, in a document, that actually links Jossy, not just the name Mansur,  to nefarious undertakings.

I come from a large family.  Trust me, I am not involved in my brother's endeavors. I don't even want to know about them.   ::MonkeyEek::

Regardless of any love I might have for a brother/sister/uncle/aunt/cousin, I am not willing to go to jail for them nor endanger my own family and children.

And they would know better than to ask or even expect such a thing.

.

Ever herd of a crime family ? Every mafia family is.. at some level..  ::MonkeyCool::
This one just happens to be part of the Super Rich..
JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on February 08, 2009, 05:15:37 PM

Well OK friends BUT Dave has and so had Art and we have talked about that with them.. I do not know when..I should have asked..
IF Beth has not..according to news media and tabloid ?  ::MonkeyRoll::
..THEN  was not informed of the video early on when the F.B.I. "who received the video" told her that Natalee was dead.. I do not suppose for one second about the F.B.I. showing her this video ..Nope.. Not Me..  ::MonkeyWink::
I will wait for the news release or grease report.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::
I thought the real reason the FBI told Beth and Dave that Natalee was most likely dead,had something to do with the amount of blood in Deepak's car.....I could be wrong but that's what I remember.Also,I thought the family knew nothing about these video's for a couple of months.....I thought the video's were shared with the family and FBI from someone posting here?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 08, 2009, 05:20:03 PM

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3410/rvpersistencephotoga0.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2009, 05:20:06 PM
JUNE 10, 2005

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 25, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: And that was the day that the FBI came in, Doug Shipley (ph) came in and said that the way the interrogations are unfolding, there‘s a strong possibility that Natalee may not be alive. That was huge. That was the day that—I think, Joe, everyone buried Natalee that day, on June 10.

And then it just—from there, the night went on. There were body sightings, countless. They were knocking on my door. They thought they found her. Oh, no, they didn‘t. It went on from 2:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m. It was horrific.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


THE MERIDIAN STAR
Published: May 28, 2006 08:54 pm
Holloway talks about Natalee’s missing year
By Steve Gillespie / assistant editor


Natalee Holloway, 18, disappeared on May 30 while vacationing on the island of Aruba with her high school graduating class from Alabama.

Her father, Dave Holloway, is an insurance agent who lives in Meridian with his wife, Robin, and their family. As the one-year anniversary of Natalee’s disappearance nears, he spoke to The Meridian Star Editorial Board about the search for his daughter and the Aruban investigation, which has led nowhere.

" ... At some point into this investigation, as time goes on and you don’t find her, you start realizing that things are not looking good. We got that confirmation pretty much from the FBI on June 10. They came to us and said the investigation appears to be heading toward a homicide case."  

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_148205455.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2009, 05:25:45 PM
JUNE 10, 2005

Reports Conflict in Case of Missing Ala. Teen
Saturday, June 11, 2005


ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Reports conflicted Saturday in developments of the Alabama honor student who has been missing in Aruba for almost two weeks.

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.  

However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."  

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html



Frustration in Aruba
Commentary by Rick Leventhal for FOX Fan Central
June 15, 2005


The next day, another official spoke to one of our producers. Edward Croues, a spokesman for the minister of justice, told Craig Rivera he had "official information" that Natalee was "confirmed dead," and told Craig her father had asked police to take him to the body and to do it before the press found out where it was. We reconfirmed the information with Croues before going on-air with it.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159664,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2009, 05:30:08 PM
JUNE 10, 2005


Reports Conflict in Case of Missing Ala. Teen
Saturday, June 11, 2005


One of the young men detained admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach, a police officer said, while prosecutors said the investigation was at a crucial point. But prosecutors refused to comment on the statement by Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig (search), who told The Associated Press that the man who made that admission was leading police to the scene. He refused to identify which of the three young men who took Holloway to a northern beach the night she went missing made the statement.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html


Aruba Case Appears Stalled
Police No Closer To Solving Missing Teen's Disappearance
Page 1 of 2
ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005 | by Scott Benjamin


Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 05:30:43 PM
it appears to be a race car track "tower" with a small JLG manlift off the left side.. Which a camera man/woman would use on the track.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 05:32:01 PM
Kermit..

it appears to be a race car track "tower" with a small JLG manlift off the left side.. Which a camera man/woman would use on the track.

The picture on the shirt


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2009, 05:34:58 PM
Blonde's ... I have been watching the Prayer Thread for updates on your Mom.  Did she have the operation yet?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 05:38:43 PM
Here it is.. I think you can see it.. ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blonde on February 08, 2009, 05:43:15 PM
and so your point is You know what is fact and what beth has seen or has not ... ic  ::MonkeyRoll::

Well good, then maybe you can answer my querstion..
 which has nothing to do with what you are writing about..



Edward this is what you just said your point was:


My point was that Beth new Natalee was dead because of the F.B.I. and THAT video. If ALE had the body they are not going to put the body into a very large crab/fish trap and put in in the ocean.. As Natalee being in the ocean was one of the theory..
IF Beth knew Natalee was dead June 13 2005 and the body recovered by ALE was she in support of Persistence 3 years later ?
Or did she suspect it was an extravagant Hoax ?
Why is it then that Beth and Dave do not appear to be on the same page ?

Although I could see ALE putting the body into a steel oil drum and shipping it to Nicaragua to be dumped in the dense forests there. I would think ALE would opt for a cremation or disposal on land like the landfill..

Anyways.. Is Beth and Dave on the same page .. Or not ? ..Anyone know ?


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Edward, you are stating this as though it is a fact.  It is not is all I am saying, it is ONLY YOUR OPINION that she saw any AruBay videos at all.

No where has Beth said that she did and no one in her family has said that she saw any of these videos at that point in time nor that they had anything at all to do with her being convinced of anything let alone that Natalee was deceased.

That is my only point.

There is no proof of what you say that these videos convinced Beth of anything because we don't even know if she saw them or not.

If you have a reliable source saying that she did, please post a link to that.  If not, it is your speculation only and not a fact as you stated it.

TIA

Beth saw video 24 because I sent it to her
I know she saw all the screen shots for video because I mailed them to Art Wood.
And it was brought up at that meeting in AL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 08, 2009, 05:43:27 PM
Jossy: "That is correct Greta. That happened on the second day of interrogations."

       "he confessed to the polis that "we buried Natalee."
Watch Video:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player05.html?071205/greta_mansur_071205&On_the_Record&
Explosive%20Report&acc&On%20the%20Record&-1&exp



Joran: she is in the ocean.
Jorans confession in the Range Rover tapes


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blonde on February 08, 2009, 05:46:21 PM
and so your point is You know what is fact and what beth has seen or has not ... ic  ::MonkeyRoll::

Well good, then maybe you can answer my querstion..
 which has nothing to do with what you are writing about..



Edward this is what you just said your point was:


My point was that Beth new Natalee was dead because of the F.B.I. and THAT video. If ALE had the body they are not going to put the body into a very large crab/fish trap and put in in the ocean.. As Natalee being in the ocean was one of the theory..
IF Beth knew Natalee was dead June 13 2005 and the body recovered by ALE was she in support of Persistence 3 years later ?
Or did she suspect it was an extravagant Hoax ?
Why is it then that Beth and Dave do not appear to be on the same page ?

Although I could see ALE putting the body into a steel oil drum and shipping it to Nicaragua to be dumped in the dense forests there. I would think ALE would opt for a cremation or disposal on land like the landfill..

Anyways.. Is Beth and Dave on the same page .. Or not ? ..Anyone know ?


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Edward, you are stating this as though it is a fact.  It is not is all I am saying, it is ONLY YOUR OPINION that she saw any AruBay videos at all.

No where has Beth said that she did and no one in her family has said that she saw any of these videos at that point in time nor that they had anything at all to do with her being convinced of anything let alone that Natalee was deceased.

That is my only point.

There is no proof of what you say that these videos convinced Beth of anything because we don't even know if she saw them or not.

If you have a reliable source saying that she did, please post a link to that.  If not, it is your speculation only and not a fact as you stated it.

TIA

Beth saw video 24 because I sent it to her
I know she saw all the screen shots for video because I mailed them to Art Wood.
And it was brought up at that meeting in AL



{{edit to add}}
She never told me her thoughts on what see saw


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 08, 2009, 05:48:13 PM
Here it is.. I think you can see it.. ?

Thank you Edward.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 05:59:21 PM
Looks like Beth has seen them just like Dave ..at some point and not necessarily on the 10th of June 2005 maybe later on. as it sounds like Joran says he buried her in the water. Which brings the F.B.I. To Beth's door.
the video show workers doing a cover -up clean up of a possible murder scene..
ALE was told to go there... but not by Oduber..
He was in the dark until he got informed of the situation by others. Then he had to alter his story to get on board with ?? somebody of power and influence, even over a prime minister.

 ::MonkeyWink::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 06:01:41 PM
Thank You everyone for helping me to understand this a little better.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on February 08, 2009, 06:01:55 PM
Here it is.. I think you can see it.. ?
Looks like an image of aruba's little turd shaped island with all the oh so wonderful landmarks pointed out. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 08, 2009, 06:02:03 PM
Wonder how Sambo knew by the June 2nd she was dead

6/2/2005
By TITO LACLE
The Associated Press
"We don't have any indication as to if she is alive," Sambo said.
http://www.al.com/newsflash/regiona...ist=alabamanews


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blonde on February 08, 2009, 06:03:34 PM
Blonde's ... I have been watching the Prayer Thread for updates on your Mom.  Did she have the operation yet?

Janet
Thank You for asking  Janet
YES , She is sleeping  now and I have been trying to get an update now for  one hour.
 The Dr called me at 3:00 and said everything went well. I need more then that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 06:07:40 PM
Here it is.. I think you can see it.. ?
Looks like an image of Aruba's little turd shaped island with all the oh so wonderful landmarks pointed out. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Heck it looks pretty good on my screen but when I uploaded it it looks like crap, but still I can see it.. ? If you can I will work on it some more..  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 08, 2009, 06:10:16 PM
Here it is.. I think you can see it.. ?
Looks like an image of aruba's little turd shaped island with all the oh so wonderful landmarks pointed out. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2009, 06:11:42 PM
JUNE 10, 2005

Explosive Report in Aruba
Tuesday, July 12, 2005


JOSSY MANSUR, DIARIO MANAGING EDITOR: : No, it was when they had let them free. And when he came back, they (INAUDIBLE) him in as a suspect. On the second day of that detention, he broke down completely. He cried, and he admitted to the police, he confessed to the police that, we buried Natalee

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162272,00.html


5.02.2006
Leaked report shows that
Joran declared that Deepak Kalpoe raped and killed Natalee
DIARIO Aruba
05/02/2006


<snipped>

Today, this publication has reproduced a copy of the leaked report (dated June 13, 2005), and in this report readers themselves can read how a policeman declared that he spoke informally with Joran; this was not in an official interrogation.

To the question of what Joran could say of what happened with the girl (Natalee) after the girl ‘feel asleep at the fisherman’s hut’, Joran said: ‘I called Deepak and he came with two dogs’. ‘I think that he raped the girl and did something with the girl (indicating that Deepak could have done something bad to the girl!)’.

To the question from police, of where the girl is buried, Joran answered: ‘I think the girl is buried near the wall of the fisherman’s hut, as far as I know’.

<snipped>

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_30_archive.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on February 08, 2009, 06:12:03 PM
Here it is.. I think you can see it.. ?
Looks like an image of Aruba's little turd shaped island with all the oh so wonderful landmarks pointed out. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Heck it looks pretty good on my screen but when I uploaded it it looks like crap, but still I can see it.. ? If you can I will work on it some more..  ::MonkeyCool::
Thank you Edward
I don't really need to see what his shirt says,probably some advertizing for aruba while he is aboard the boat.Before he set his myspace to private,I noticed a LL Silvetti on his friends list?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 08, 2009, 06:18:42 PM
There are a lot of Mansurs and many ventures.  I guess, since the family has been grateful to Jossy, I would like to see something, in a document, that actually links Jossy, not just the name Mansur,  to nefarious undertakings.

I come from a large family.  Trust me, I am not involved in my brother's endeavors. I don't even want to know about them.   ::MonkeyEek::

Regardless of any love I might have for a brother/sister/uncle/aunt/cousin, I am not willing to go to jail for them nor endanger my own family and children.

And they would know better than to ask or even expect such a thing.

.

Ever herd of a crime family ? Every mafia family is.. at some level..  ::MonkeyCool::
This one just happens to be part of the Super Rich..
JMHO


Yes, I have heard of a mafia crime family and also know that the word family used in that context does NOT refer to blood relatives but associates in crime that make up the family.

Posner is part of the Chicago mob but that does not mean that his brothers, sisters, etc. necessarily are.

Family in the mafia context implies those related by crimes rather than blood.

Jossy may well be implicated in the crimes of his brother Luis but I have not seen any evidence.  The fact that they are brothers is not good enough for me.  I want actual ties to crimes.

Just my way of looking at it.  I realize others don't necessarily agree nor expect them to.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 08, 2009, 06:24:09 PM
Looks like Beth has seen them just like Dave ..at some point and not necessarily on the 10th of June 2005 maybe later on. as it sounds like Joran says he buried her in the water. Which brings the F.B.I. To Beth's door.
the video show workers doing a cover -up clean up of a possible murder scene..
ALE was told to go there... but not by Oduber..
He was in the dark until he got informed of the situation by others. Then he had to alter his story to get on board with ?? somebody of power and influence, even over a prime minister.

 ::MonkeyWink::
 



Beth did not have a computer to my knowledge in Aruba and there was no report of the FBI taking one into her room.  I don't think the FBI had the videos for some time. 

At least we know they were sent to her but were not even found until some time later.  I don't believe Beth has ever commented on them one way or another.  They are certainly some eerie videos and we have tried every way to make a connection one way or another.

Not sure we ever actually have done so, however. 

They may or may not be involved.  How remains unknown.

Guess we all have opinions.  I know I have my own but that doesn't make it a fact.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 08, 2009, 06:27:03 PM
JUNE 10, 2005

Explosive Report in Aruba
Tuesday, July 12, 2005


JOSSY MANSUR, DIARIO MANAGING EDITOR: : No, it was when they had let them free. And when he came back, they (INAUDIBLE) him in as a suspect. On the second day of that detention, he broke down completely. He cried, and he admitted to the police, he confessed to the police that, we buried Natalee

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162272,00.html


5.02.2006
Leaked report shows that
Joran declared that Deepak Kalpoe raped and killed Natalee
DIARIO Aruba
05/02/2006


<snipped>

Today, this publication has reproduced a copy of the leaked report (dated June 13, 2005), and in this report readers themselves can read how a policeman declared that he spoke informally with Joran; this was not in an official interrogation.

To the question of what Joran could say of what happened with the girl (Natalee) after the girl ‘feel asleep at the fisherman’s hut’, Joran said: ‘I called Deepak and he came with two dogs’. ‘I think that he raped the girl and did something with the girl (indicating that Deepak could have done something bad to the girl!)’.

To the question from police, of where the girl is buried, Joran answered: ‘I think the girl is buried near the wall of the fisherman’s hut, as far as I know’.

<snipped>

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_30_archive.html





I always found it very interesting that Joran's confession was "Deepak did it!"  I used to make similar confessions as a child as to the guilt of my sister, lol.

More of an accusation than a confession, I suppose.

And immediately Paulus was granted access to his son.  Two suspects having contact, something not acceptable in most places.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 07:16:39 PM
Speaking of crime families...   ::MonkeyDance::

This has also bothered me in the taped conversations in back of the police car.

Joran: The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.
Deepak: Your own father, unbelievable.
Joran: What my father, it is your fault that he is arrested. I didn't declare anything against my father, you two declared against my father  Satish: We didn't declare anything.


Various things Bug me on this statement...
First they know they are being listened to.. As they do not just talk straight out at each other.. They talk in terms..

Joran: The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right?, +++++.  >:( ::) :-X... As in.. "Shut up" You Idiot..
Deepak: Your own father, >:( unbelievable.    ::) :-X ..As in.. "screw u " "Calling US retards fool"
Joran: What my father?, it is your fault   that he is arrested. I didn't declare anything against my father, you two declared against my father  !!!
Satish: We didn't declare anything.
 :P :P ;D As in.." You set yourself up idiot because neither one of us said anything to anybody FOOL."

The brothers are teamed up against Joran but conspired with Joran at the request/DEMAND of Jorans FAMILY "As the Family has conspired together at Jorans home. This would include ANITA as well as Poker nose Paulus.. WHO has the POWER to make DEMANDS on Deepak and Satish..probably with promise of... and that is where the Deepak lawsuit against Dr.Phil comes into play..

So get the Dr. Phil case dismissed and see what Deepak does then.. ? Maybe he would get really chatty if he thought money could come from some other direction ? Not from the actions of PAULUS ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 07:24:30 PM
Here it is.. I think you can see it.. ?
Looks like an image of Aruba's little turd shaped island with all the oh so wonderful landmarks pointed out. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Heck it looks pretty good on my screen but when I uploaded it it looks like crap, but still I can see it.. ? If you can I will work on it some more..  ::MonkeyCool::
Thank you Edward
I don't really need to see what his shirt says,probably some advertizing for aruba while he is aboard the boat.Before he set his myspace to private,I noticed a LL Silvetti on his friends list?

that's his cousin, David

http://de.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.ViewSubscribers&ChannelID=39996108


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 08, 2009, 07:33:42 PM
The only thing that bothers me about the rock scene is when Jossy stated on Dana's show one night that the rock area is where they retrieved a little boy's body that had been there for over a year.  I saw that missing video (got a glance before it phoof) and it did look like a retrieval of a body.  IF Natalee was dumped at that spot then that is probably at least the 3rd place she was placed.  After retrieving her body someone dumped the body in a cage already in the ocean.  If Caps knew where that cage was then so did the ALE.  They always stayed one step ahead of the family. JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 08, 2009, 08:59:43 PM
The only thing that bothers me about the rock scene is when Jossy stated on Dana's show one night that the rock area is where they retrieved a little boy's body that had been there for over a year.  I saw that missing video (got a glance before it phoof) and it did look like a retrieval of a body.  IF Natalee was dumped at that spot then that is probably at least the 3rd place she was placed.  After retrieving her body someone dumped the body in a cage already in the ocean.  If Caps knew where that cage was then so did the ALE.  They always stayed one step ahead of the family. JMO

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 08, 2009, 09:06:29 PM
Glenda does not believe they are going to close the case.  She could be right, closing it would bring more attention to their corruption:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Glenda020809.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2009, 09:11:51 PM
Glenda does not believe they are going to close the case.  She could be right, closing it would bring more attention to their corruption:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Glenda020809.jpg)

I agree.

Janet

++++++

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: Well, the way the system works down here, when the case is closed, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


Art Wood
DANA PRETZER
July 2, 2006 - Part 1
July 8, 2006 - Part 2


The family of Natalee needs to put pressure on the US attorney in Birmingham to push the FBI to conduct an investigation after ALE close the case. We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an American citizen there.


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: Absolutely. Absolutely. There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen. Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case, the FBI can still conduct an investigation, and they could extradite these suspects to the United States. Let me point out that there's a ton of circumstantial evidence in this case to convict these kids.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 08, 2009, 09:20:04 PM
Glenda does not believe they are going to close the case.  She could be right, closing it would bring more attention to their corruption:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Glenda020809.jpg)

Yes and it would give JQK access to their files.  They can't let it happen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2009, 09:33:58 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
8:35 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

TM, you have been so quiet lately.  Are you OK?

I'm o.k. Magnolia.  Thanks for asking!  I had a scare yesterday, one of my sheltie daughters was missing for several hours.  I was so afraid she was gone forever!  But she's home now, and all is well.  She is the one on the left in my avi, and we've had her since she was five weeks old.  She and her sister are our babies.  It was awful, and I'm so thankful that it turned out o.k.  

I've been doing some research today off and on.  Just haven't had much to post.

texasmom

The household is chaos at this moment but ... I had to share with you.

Our 15 years old Golden Retriever is also like a member of the family.  For the most part ... hubby and I took over her care when youngest son go married 2 1/2 years ago.

Well last night about 10:00 PM hubby and guests arrived home after a day in Vancouver.  Brandi sleeps in an area close to the carport door.  Well, she must have slipped out when everbody returned.  Thirty minnutes ago a neighbour brought her home.  Neigbours returned home about midnight ... saw Brandi wandering ON THE STREET ... observed all lights were out in our house ... so took her back to their home.  Nobody knew she she was missing!!

Considering Brandi is not street wise ...

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
9:30 AM PT


Thank goodness for good neighbors; and that Brandi is safe!  Scout is not "street wise" either.  She would have never left the yard, but we think oldest son was probably putting a show on for some friends that were here when he tried to get her in the house that afternoon.  He scared her with his voice and chasing her, and she bolted.  It's not unusual at all to hear coyotes here after dark, and the thought of that was more than I could take!  ::MonkeyWaa:: 
But we are very thankful (oldest son for sure) that Scout is back home and safe.  I have forgiven him, but his father is still mad!

Have a great Sunday!   ::MonkeyCool::

texasmom ... the mystery how Brandi got loose is solved.

Youngest son and wife came in for a few minutes when the gang all got back from the trip to Vancouver about 10:00 PM last night.  Brandi had met son at the door so ... she was let out to her thing and ... forgotton about.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am thankful that the temperature was above freezing.  Brandi has a good coat but ... she is beginning to show her age.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 09:58:08 PM
what is the evil brothers name again ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 10:21:04 PM
what is the evil brothers name again ?


Hendrik


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 08, 2009, 10:35:33 PM
t/y


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on February 08, 2009, 10:41:32 PM
JUNE 10, 2005

Explosive Report in Aruba
Tuesday, July 12, 2005


JOSSY MANSUR, DIARIO MANAGING EDITOR: : No, it was when they had let them free. And when he came back, they (INAUDIBLE) him in as a suspect. On the second day of that detention, he broke down completely. He cried, and he admitted to the police, he confessed to the police that, we buried Natalee

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162272,00.html


5.02.2006
Leaked report shows that
Joran declared that Deepak Kalpoe raped and killed Natalee
DIARIO Aruba
05/02/2006


<snipped>

Today, this publication has reproduced a copy of the leaked report (dated June 13, 2005), and in this report readers themselves can read how a policeman declared that he spoke informally with Joran; this was not in an official interrogation.

To the question of what Joran could say of what happened with the girl (Natalee) after the girl ‘feel asleep at the fisherman’s hut’, Joran said: ‘I called Deepak and he came with two dogs’. ‘I think that he raped the girl and did something with the girl (indicating that Deepak could have done something bad to the girl!)’.

To the question from police, of where the girl is buried, Joran answered: ‘I think the girl is buried near the wall of the fisherman’s hut, as far as I know’.

<snipped>

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_30_archive.html





I always found it very interesting that Joran's confession was "Deepak did it!"  I used to make similar confessions as a child as to the guilt of my sister, lol.

More of an accusation than a confession, I suppose.

And immediately Paulus was granted access to his son.  Two suspects having contact, something not acceptable in most places.

.

I don't recall reading much about who the Kalpoes had access to while locked up.  It would be interesting to know who visited and how those folks are and some dates and times.

Anyone recall discussing this?  Same idea with PVDS.  Anyone visit him?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 10:43:43 PM
2/9/2009 Awe Mainta Page 4

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/02092009AweMaintaPg4.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

at the netherlands is being tell cu: aruba owing to core cu funcionarionan of ministerio publico investigacion of om on politiconan at aruba will owing to place cu owing to core cu they amsterdam - although do not all media at the netherlands owing to stop keto ne decision cu aruba for core cu funcionarionan of vno debi n’e vno gate, saturday ultimo if had atencion nacional p’e two funcionarionan of ministerio publico, esta fiscal parent mr. hans mos y mr. caspar van der schaft kendenan dentro of some will go back the netherlands. in all angle caminda can come across some person prominete, this was combersacion in end of week here at the netherlands. the corant ‘trouw’ on first plano of the edicion of saturday ultimo owing to place cu cabes big... “aruba stuurt hoofdofficier mos weg(.) come across.....betrekkingen met nederland op scherp at uitlekken verslag.” (google translation: "aruba sends officer moss main road (.) come across ..... focus on relations with Australia at leaking report. ") the news here scirbi pe colega journalist adri vermaat owing to strike duro at the netherlands y wing atencion of everybody, y till even another agencianan of prensa owing to coge this place on they site... y another medianan owing to copia this. according esun cu owing to scirbi the articulo, past owing to come find informacion of fuentenan cu is very good at height cu y owing to bise cu is debi ne desaroyonan rondo of the vno-gate, minister of hustisia, rudy croes owing to dicidi of not prolonga contrato of hans mos y of casper van der schaft y owing to so entrega the dosnan here they retiro. all two have to owing to work one year more at aruba of acuerdo cu they contrato. is stop in the articulo here cu hans mos owing to confirma at trouw cu the is go back bek the netherlands, but does not owing to give more comenatario. past owing to let then espacio open for can think cu have algo. y this is stay open for cada person self fill this pe, y can arrive ne conclusion cu have algo of berdad of cu will core cune. because if is berdad cu till self owing to dicidi at go back bek the netherlands for one another funcion more mihor as om owing to señala at aruba, then the will owing to count ; this at trouw, y desmenti cu is core owing to core cune. according trouw the motibo for core cu the dosnan here do not exact, but cu this according at fuentenan can have of haber cu investigacion cu the dosnan here owing to come is realisa on politiconan corupto at aruba. we is sita; “de reden waarom juist deze twee zijn weggestuurd, is niet duidelijk. mogelijk heeft het wegsturen van mos till maken met voor aruba gevoelig onderzoek naar corruptie onder politici.” (google translation: "The reason why these two are removed, is not clear. possible away from the moss till to Aruba for sensitive research on corruption among politicians. ")fuentenan cu is good informa will tell trouw cu have suspicion cu till vno gate here till druppel cu owing to fill the ember y owing to haci they retiro become realidad. do not conoci niether cu if the raport semanal cu owing to cause the of vno gate here will owing to being send for bad y conscientemente for others cual the not was destina pe. till ne instant cu we coresponsal is redacta the articulo here the netherlands not owing to expresa his excusa for at gobierno y people aruban. y as we owing to tell end cu we do not believe cu the netherlands will haci this niether. in we edicion of saturday we owing to haci mencion cu the form of ‘spionahe’ here is part of the tarea of the funcionarionan of vno y cu can being see till even because; one dienstopdracht. the netherlands not can part sansion neither retira they without more for of they ´post´, because they not owing to haci nothing bad in concepto of the netherlands. awel is con will sigi among the netherlands y aruba, where the relacion is spite. have to agrega cu the matutino trouw is uno cu is goza of much simpatia in comunidad dutch for his form imparcial y cu they informacionnan is concreto y earnest do not one sembrado of broyo y sensionalista as one telegraaf. y this is place everybody believe assure in the informacion here. all the hechonan here is confirma for we once more, thing the.o. of awemainta owing to achieve because; relato for of we coresponsal, where some month atrás owing to show cu servicio of inteligencia dutch is tap telefonnan of first minister nel oduber. nel oduber at such ocasión owing to angry very much y owing to entrega complaint at ministerio publico at aruba, y also owing to calling secretario of estado, ank bijleveld of immediate, that owing to desmenti cu esey can. but today we coresponsal is hayando razon?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 08, 2009, 10:53:51 PM
Rudy should talk to CapsLockWizzard, who says that Dutenkom
is Dirty Hand.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2009, 11:34:16 PM
Good Night All!

Janet
8:35 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 08, 2009, 11:34:45 PM
Rudy should talk to CapsLockWizzard, who says that Dutenkom
is Dirty Hand.

Hi my name is CAPS do you got a minute.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 08, 2009, 11:35:09 PM
Good Night All!

Janet
8:35 PM PT


Goodnight Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 11:46:38 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_krjtih.jpg)
TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 11:47:22 PM
Good Night All!

Janet
8:35 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 11:48:41 PM
Rudy should talk to CapsLockWizzard, who says that Dutenkom
is Dirty Hand.

Hi my name is CAPS do you got a minute.

How much money do you have?   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 08, 2009, 11:50:19 PM
Rudy should talk to CapsLockWizzard, who says that Dutenkom
is Dirty Hand.

Hi my name is CAPS do you got a minute.

How much money do you have?   ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2009, 11:56:42 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_krjtih.jpg)
TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!!

Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 08, 2009, 11:58:09 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_krjtih.jpg)
TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!!

Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight TM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 09, 2009, 12:29:01 AM
Good evening and good night --- interesing posts tonight!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 09, 2009, 12:35:34 AM
The only thing that bothers me about the rock scene is when Jossy stated on Dana's show one night that the rock area is where they retrieved a little boy's body that had been there for over a year.  I saw that missing video (got a glance before it phoof) and it did look like a retrieval of a body.  IF Natalee was dumped at that spot then that is probably at least the 3rd place she was placed.  After retrieving her body someone dumped the body in a cage already in the ocean.  If Caps knew where that cage was then so did the ALE.  They always stayed one step ahead of the family. JMO

Jossy is "well trusted"...
Therefore, he lends credibility to ALE's bullshit stories...
And since he is so well received, he gives their bogus stories more legs...

My opinion, dogs(Jossy) do not shit where they eat(Aruba)...
Although he may have no negative intentions, he, too is protecting Aruba...
He and family are part of the racket that stands to be dismantled...
Consequently, his pocketbook would take a major hit...
A major hit that I don't think he wishes to take...

Conclusion, which side do you think Jossy is really on?
The answer is quite simple to me...Aruba and its well established money facilitating underground activities...

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: martini on February 09, 2009, 07:47:36 AM
February 9, 2009  -Hans Mos, the head of the Public Prosecutor's Office on Aruba, is to quit his position this summer. He has shed no light on the reasons for his early departure.
The most important case handled during his tenure was that of Natalee Holloway, the US student who disappeared from the island in 2005. The case, which is still not closed and which is estimated to have cost more than seven and a half million euros, has led to increasing criticism of Mr Mos.

The announcement of his departure comes at a time when relationships between Aruba and the Netherlands are strained. The Aruban Justice Minister, Rudy Kroes, has accused the Netherlands of spying after serious allegations about Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and a member of Mr Kroes' family were found in a confidential document produced by the Dutch delegation to the island.

http://www.avsnewsonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2728&Itemid=54






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 09, 2009, 08:40:38 AM
February 9, 2009  -Hans Mos, the head of the Public Prosecutor's Office on Aruba, is to quit his position this summer. He has shed no light on the reasons for his early departure.
The most important case handled during his tenure was that of Natalee Holloway, the US student who disappeared from the island in 2005. The case, which is still not closed and which is estimated to have cost more than seven and a half million euros, has led to increasing criticism of Mr Mos.

The announcement of his departure comes at a time when relationships between Aruba and the Netherlands are strained. The Aruban Justice Minister, Rudy Kroes, has accused the Netherlands of spying after serious allegations about Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and a member of Mr Kroes' family were found in a confidential document produced by the Dutch delegation to the island.

http://www.avsnewsonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2728&Itemid=54





So, is Mos "quitting" this summer -- or is "fired" immediately?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 10:15:36 AM
Thank you for the informative discussion today everyone, it was a welcomed change.

I'm off to catch some flies.



Enjoy your "dinner". I always look forward to reading on the NH thread, and enjoy your insight and thoroughness ::MonkeyCool::

Islandmonkey, have you got anything on CalDive out of Louisiana?
You have been a great help today.

Magnolia~just getting started on the CalDive, here are a few items so far, if you wnat me to look for something very specific, just let me know.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 09, 2009, 10:51:21 AM
Quote
Chief Public Prosecutor Hans Mos dismissed
7 Feb, 2009, 08:19 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/07-aruba-voor_003.gif)
Chief Public Prosecutor Hans Mos returns to the Netherlands this summer. He’s going to hold a yet unknown position in the Dutch Public Prosecutor.

ORANJESTAD — Hans Mos resigns his position as Chief Public Prosecutor.  As a result of the statements in the leaked-out VNO-report, Justice-minister Rudy Croes has supposedly ordered him and also prosecutor Kasper van der Schaft to leave.
This appeared in this morning’s daily newspaper Trouw. It’s not clear what the leak-out exactly has to do with the dismissal.  Based on their contract, both Mos and Van der Schaft had still another year in office. In a conversation with the Wereldomroep, minister Plenipotentiary in the Netherlands, Frido Croes denies the fact that the early departure of Mos has something to do with the leaked-out VNO-report.  He says that Van der Schaft leaves because ‘his contract has run out’.  
Public Prosecution's Office (OM)-spokesperson Ann Angela has only confirmed yesterday that Mos leaves in the summer. According to an official statement of the OM, Harm Brouwer, chairman of the Dutch College of procurators general and with that the highest boss of the OM in the Netherlands, Mos was offered two positions with the OM in the Netherlands last Monday.  Mos will decide on one of these positions before this coming March 1st.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52496.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 11:05:19 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on February 09, 2009, 12:36:54 PM
Hello all. This is my first post to the Natalee Holloway thread even though I've been a sometimes lurker here for a while. I've tried to keep up on the latest conversations here so if these questions are repeating anything, my apologies.

I've come across a website by a Dr. Andrew G. Hodges at http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html (http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html). His field of expertise seems to be "forensic thoughtprints" which he explains as "A thoughtprint is unconscious communication hidden within verbal or written communication." His website describes his "ground-breaking" investigative technique as being of valuable assistance to police agencies. It sounds kind of like that new ABC TV show, "Lie to Me" where suspects give away information they don't intend to give away.

The link above is to his personal journal as a member of the Persistence Team and details his experiences onboard that boat. He includes numerous photographs. His journal details his experiences onboard Persistence between 12/18/07 and 1/2/08.

So... my first question is, assuming that this gentleman is an absolute expert in his field, of what value was that expertise to undersea exploration and the evaluation of any possible gathered physical evidence?

He does state on his website about a conversation he had with Louis Schaffer and Tim Miller, "We discussed where my profile of suspects' statements showed the body to be. Tim Miller's intuition and experience pointed much in the same direction as my forensic analysis." So, perhaps he was there to analyze the things that people had said in this case. Still, what does this thoughtprint expertise have to do with the technical aspects and logistics of deep-sea exploration? Does thoughtprint analysis require being onboard a deep-sea diving boat?

Also, in this journal, he makes it clear that he was in contact with Dave Holloway to keep Mr. Holloway aprised of the investigation's progress. Was this why he was included as a member of the team?

He makes no mention at all of Aruban officials halting the work of the Persistence crew so that the Aruban officials could remove evidence. In fact, he probably wasn't on the boat at all when those events took place. He says he went home to Alabama but returned to Aruba on December 29 when the ROV team began their work and he monitored the whole business by phone (with Tim Miller who was onboard).

He posts links to more information on the main page of his website:  http://forensicthoughtprints.com/ (http://forensicthoughtprints.com/). There are links there to his interview on SM Radio with Dana Pretzer.

If this man is trained in deep analysis of what people say and do and write, why would a detail like interference from Aruban officials not even rate a mention in his journal?

What does anyone here at SM know about this gentleman and his involvement in Natalee's case and/or the Persistence? Is he one of the good guys? Or not?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 12:42:51 PM
Thank you for the informative discussion today everyone, it was a welcomed change.

I'm off to catch some flies.



Enjoy your "dinner". I always look forward to reading on the NH thread, and enjoy your insight and thoroughness ::MonkeyCool::

Islandmonkey, have you got anything on CalDive out of Louisiana?
You have been a great help today.


MAGNOLIA~I JUST GOT OFF THE BLOOMBERG AND CALDIVE ACQUIRED SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL THRU A DIVESTITURE ON 6/30/08 FOR 12MM ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::  Attached it the bloomberg page for Cal Dive and their Corporate Action Calendar. so at least we know where superior offshore landed... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 12:47:12 PM
Thank you for the informative discussion today everyone, it was a welcomed change.

I'm off to catch some flies.



Enjoy your "dinner". I always look forward to reading on the NH thread, and enjoy your insight and thoroughness ::MonkeyCool::

Islandmonkey, have you got anything on CalDive out of Louisiana?
You have been a great help today.


MAGNOLIA~I JUST GOT OFF THE BLOOMBERG AND CALDIVE ACQUIRED SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL THRU A DIVESTITURE ON 6/30/08 FOR 12MM ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::  Attached it the bloomberg page for Cal Dive and their Corporate Action Calendar. so at least we know where superior offshore landed... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

There we go!Great work Island Monkey!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 12:49:11 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 12:52:45 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

On top of what 2nj is saying it would be interesting to see if any of the culprits in the collapse of Superior Offshore invested in CalDive,and or Helix???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 12:55:04 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

Yes mam~according the the Bloomberg, it's on the last sheet I attached to my post and was approved by the bankruptcy court effective 6/11/08 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 01:01:44 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

On top of what 2nj is saying it would be interesting to see if any of the culprits in the collapse of Superior Offshore invested in CalDive,and or Helix???

I will keep working on it~but the acquisition was nicely timed don't you think. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 01:02:33 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

Yes mam~according the the Bloomberg, it's on the last sheet I attached to my post and was approved by the bankruptcy court effective 6/11/08 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks....I was just reading an article about CalDive buying back some of it's stock from Helix in January, 2009.   I wish I had a better knowledge of these things.  (sorry, forgot to bring the link over, but I can find it pretty easily.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 09, 2009, 01:06:08 PM
Here is some more info that I found on Louis E Schaefer and Schaefer Holdings LLC...Hope its not duplicates..  ::MonkeyCool::

 http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/insiderTrading?symbol=DEEPQ.PK

http://markets.chron.com/chron?GUID=3806368&Page=MediaViewer&Ticker=deep

http://google.brand.edgar-online.com/PeopleFilingResults.aspx?PersonID=4265740&PersonName=LOUIS%20E.%20SCHAEFER

http://www.foundationsearch.com/fs-html/newrf100.asp




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 01:06:10 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

On top of what 2nj is saying it would be interesting to see if any of the culprits in the collapse of Superior Offshore invested in CalDive,and or Helix???

I will keep working on it~but the acquisition was nicely timed don't you think. ::MonkeyWink::

Thanx IslandMonkey!How long would a deal like this have to be in the works?Would negotiations have started before the search started,and or during??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on February 09, 2009, 01:09:16 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

Yes mam~according the the Bloomberg, it's on the last sheet I attached to my post and was approved by the bankruptcy court effective 6/11/08 ::MonkeyCool::

How does this news story from January 26, 2009 relate to all those business goings-on?

Cal Dive To Buy Back 12.6% Of Its Shares From Parent Helix

TEL AVIV -- Cal Dive International Inc., the Houston provider of offshore construction services to the energy industry, definitively agreed to buy 13.6 million of its shares, a 12.6% holding, from Helix Energy Solutions Group Inc., the companies said in separate statements late on Sunday. The move reduces Helix's holding in Cal Dive to 51% from 57%. Cal Dive will pay $6.34 a share, or $86 million, for the holding. The deal price is about 2% below the 30-day average trading price of the stock as of Jan. 16, Helix said. Cal Dive shares closed on Friday at $7.01. Cal Dive said the terms were approved by a panel of four of its directors who aren't also directors of Helix. Helix, the Houston offshore-energy-services company, said it will use the funds for general purposes. Cal Dive said it will fund the purchase via its revolving-credit line. It said the buyback is "attractive at current trading prices."
[posted on FoxBusiness.com at http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/ (http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/) ]


It seems Cal Dive is doing pretty well if they can buy back shares of their own company. How does their success or lack thereof relate to the Natalee Holloway case or any of the major players in the investigation into Natalee's disappearance?  Can or did this company or its directors influence the efforts made to investigate what happened to Natalee?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 01:11:14 PM
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=94139&p=irol-newsArticle_print&ID=1247879&highlight=

Press Release
Helix Enters Stock Sale Agreement with Cal Dive
HOUSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 25, 2009--Helix Energy Solutions Group, Inc. (NYSE:HLX) reports that it has entered into a definitive stock repurchase agreement with Cal Dive International, Inc. (NYSE:DVR), a majority-owned subsidiary, pursuant to which it will sell to Cal Dive 13,564,669 shares of Cal Dive's common stock for total consideration equal to $86,000,000 or $6.34 per share. The purchase price represents an approximate 2% discount to the 30 day average trading price of Cal Dive's common stock as of January 16, 2009. Helix expects to close the transaction in the near future and will use the proceeds of the sale for general corporate purposes. After the consummation of this transaction Helix will own 47,942,022 of the 93,946,409 shares of Cal Dive common stock outstanding such that Helix's ownership interest is reduced from approximately 57% to approximately 51% of Cal Dive.

Owen Kratz, the Helix's President and Chief Executive Officer, commented that "We believe that this is another step in our previously announced strategy of unlocking the asset value in the Company by divesting of assets outside of our core business focus while simultaneously providing the Company with additional liquidity which we believe is important in the current economic environment."

(snipped)

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 01:16:56 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

Yes mam~according the the Bloomberg, it's on the last sheet I attached to my post and was approved by the bankruptcy court effective 6/11/08 ::MonkeyCool::

How does this news story from January 26, 2009 relate to all those business goings-on?

Cal Dive To Buy Back 12.6% Of Its Shares From Parent Helix

TEL AVIV -- Cal Dive International Inc., the Houston provider of offshore construction services to the energy industry, definitively agreed to buy 13.6 million of its shares, a 12.6% holding, from Helix Energy Solutions Group Inc., the companies said in separate statements late on Sunday. The move reduces Helix's holding in Cal Dive to 51% from 57%. Cal Dive will pay $6.34 a share, or $86 million, for the holding. The deal price is about 2% below the 30-day average trading price of the stock as of Jan. 16, Helix said. Cal Dive shares closed on Friday at $7.01. Cal Dive said the terms were approved by a panel of four of its directors who aren't also directors of Helix. Helix, the Houston offshore-energy-services company, said it will use the funds for general purposes. Cal Dive said it will fund the purchase via its revolving-credit line. It said the buyback is "attractive at current trading prices."
[posted on FoxBusiness.com at http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/ (http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/) ]


It seems Cal Dive is doing pretty well if they can buy back shares of their own company. How does their success or lack thereof relate to the Natalee Holloway case or any of the major players in the investigation into Natalee's disappearance?  Can or did this company or its directors influence the efforts made to investigate what happened to Natalee?

Can someone answer Oldie's question?I'm not sure i could answer it quite right!TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 01:17:30 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

Yes mam~according the the Bloomberg, it's on the last sheet I attached to my post and was approved by the bankruptcy court effective 6/11/08 ::MonkeyCool::

How does this news story from January 26, 2009 relate to all those business goings-on?

Cal Dive To Buy Back 12.6% Of Its Shares From Parent Helix

TEL AVIV -- Cal Dive International Inc., the Houston provider of offshore construction services to the energy industry, definitively agreed to buy 13.6 million of its shares, a 12.6% holding, from Helix Energy Solutions Group Inc., the companies said in separate statements late on Sunday. The move reduces Helix's holding in Cal Dive to 51% from 57%. Cal Dive will pay $6.34 a share, or $86 million, for the holding. The deal price is about 2% below the 30-day average trading price of the stock as of Jan. 16, Helix said. Cal Dive shares closed on Friday at $7.01. Cal Dive said the terms were approved by a panel of four of its directors who aren't also directors of Helix. Helix, the Houston offshore-energy-services company, said it will use the funds for general purposes. Cal Dive said it will fund the purchase via its revolving-credit line. It said the buyback is "attractive at current trading prices."
[posted on FoxBusiness.com at http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/ (http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/) ]


It seems Cal Dive is doing pretty well if they can buy back shares of their own company. How does their success or lack thereof relate to the Natalee Holloway case or any of the major players in the investigation into Natalee's disappearance?  Can or did this company or its directors influence the efforts made to investigate what happened to Natalee?

Welcome to this discussion which came about due to recent postings about the Persistence water search for Natalee.  Not being sure how much you've read here, it's hard to summarize in a post. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 01:17:51 PM
What do you think Tamikosmom and Jen3560.Just get's better and better! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 01:18:48 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

Yes mam~according the the Bloomberg, it's on the last sheet I attached to my post and was approved by the bankruptcy court effective 6/11/08 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks....I was just reading an article about CalDive buying back some of it's stock from Helix in January, 2009.   I wish I had a better knowledge of these things.  (sorry, forgot to bring the link over, but I can find it pretty easily.)

Yes, you are right~I'll attach those with the other doc;s I'm waiting to upload.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 01:19:07 PM
KTF,  like minds........        ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 01:20:37 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

Yes mam~according the the Bloomberg, it's on the last sheet I attached to my post and was approved by the bankruptcy court effective 6/11/08 ::MonkeyCool::

How does this news story from January 26, 2009 relate to all those business goings-on?

Cal Dive To Buy Back 12.6% Of Its Shares From Parent Helix

TEL AVIV -- Cal Dive International Inc., the Houston provider of offshore construction services to the energy industry, definitively agreed to buy 13.6 million of its shares, a 12.6% holding, from Helix Energy Solutions Group Inc., the companies said in separate statements late on Sunday. The move reduces Helix's holding in Cal Dive to 51% from 57%. Cal Dive will pay $6.34 a share, or $86 million, for the holding. The deal price is about 2% below the 30-day average trading price of the stock as of Jan. 16, Helix said. Cal Dive shares closed on Friday at $7.01. Cal Dive said the terms were approved by a panel of four of its directors who aren't also directors of Helix. Helix, the Houston offshore-energy-services company, said it will use the funds for general purposes. Cal Dive said it will fund the purchase via its revolving-credit line. It said the buyback is "attractive at current trading prices."
[posted on FoxBusiness.com at http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/ (http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/) ]


It seems Cal Dive is doing pretty well if they can buy back shares of their own company. How does their success or lack thereof relate to the Natalee Holloway case or any of the major players in the investigation into Natalee's disappearance?  Can or did this company or its directors influence the efforts made to investigate what happened to Natalee?

Welcome oldiebutgoodie.  Good Morning Monkeys.

I am very confused too.  However ... maybe the Monkeys researching this topic could provide an overview as to the implication ... where this is all headed and ... how it all relates to the Persistence undertaking.

Thanks

Janet
10:20 AM PT




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 01:22:25 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

Yes mam~according the the Bloomberg, it's on the last sheet I attached to my post and was approved by the bankruptcy court effective 6/11/08 ::MonkeyCool::

How does this news story from January 26, 2009 relate to all those business goings-on?

Cal Dive To Buy Back 12.6% Of Its Shares From Parent Helix

TEL AVIV -- Cal Dive International Inc., the Houston provider of offshore construction services to the energy industry, definitively agreed to buy 13.6 million of its shares, a 12.6% holding, from Helix Energy Solutions Group Inc., the companies said in separate statements late on Sunday. The move reduces Helix's holding in Cal Dive to 51% from 57%. Cal Dive will pay $6.34 a share, or $86 million, for the holding. The deal price is about 2% below the 30-day average trading price of the stock as of Jan. 16, Helix said. Cal Dive shares closed on Friday at $7.01. Cal Dive said the terms were approved by a panel of four of its directors who aren't also directors of Helix. Helix, the Houston offshore-energy-services company, said it will use the funds for general purposes. Cal Dive said it will fund the purchase via its revolving-credit line. It said the buyback is "attractive at current trading prices."
[posted on FoxBusiness.com at http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/ (http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/) ]


It seems Cal Dive is doing pretty well if they can buy back shares of their own company. How does their success or lack thereof relate to the Natalee Holloway case or any of the major players in the investigation into Natalee's disappearance?  Can or did this company or its directors influence the efforts made to investigate what happened to Natalee?

Can someone answer Oldie's question?I'm not sure i could answer it quite right!TIA

It is just a divestiture of DVR stock Helix..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Edward on February 09, 2009, 01:24:06 PM
2 Points and views on Buy Back by compamies..  ::MonkeyWink::

Warren Buffett : Why some companies buy back stock
These comments came from Warren Buffett's letter to shareholders, page 15;

If you have been wondering why so many companies have been buying back stock, here is one explanation from Mr. Buffett.

"Too often, executive compensation in the US is ridiculously out of line with performance. That won't change. Moreover, because the deck is stacked against investors when it comes to the CEO's pay. The upshot is that a mediocre-or-worse CEO- aided by his handpicked VP of human relations and consultant from the ever-accommodating firm of Ratchet, Ratchet and Bingo- all too often receives gobs of money from an ill-designed compensation agreement."

Take, for instance, ten year, fixed-price options (and who wouldn't?). If Fred Futile, CEO of Stagnant, Inc., receives a bundle of these- let's say enough to give him an option on 1% of the company- his self-interest is clear: He should skip the dividends entirely and instead use all of the company's earnings to repurchase stock."

http://www.johnmugarian.com/2006/10/warren_buffett_why_some_compan.html
==============================================================

Flush with cash from two blowout quarters of earnings, companies are buying back their stock at a feverish pace.
Companies ranging from brokerage Merrill Lynch to furniture maker Herman Miller and insurer Aflac are seeing improved financial performance as a chance to make investors' holdings more valuable by reducing the number of shares outstanding.

While there are many fans of buybacks, critics warn they might not be as lucrative as some think.

In January, companies said they would spend $24.9 billion buying back stock, a 20% jump from the amount announced in January 2003, researcher TrimTabs says. Last year, companies announced $152 billion in buybacks, an increase of about 2% — a sign of a comeback following a 37% drop in 2002.

Proponents of buybacks say they benefit investors because share prices typically rise after a buyback is announced.

They also reflect a company's confidence in the future performance of its business and the overall economy, says David Ikenberry, professor of finance at the University of Illinois.

Even so, some point out investors should be careful before getting too giddy over the rash of buybacks. That's because companies:

•Often do not follow through. Just because a company says it will buy back shares doesn't mean it has to. In fact, 30% of the firms that authorize buybacks never do, says Edward Zajac, professor at Northwestern University.

•May merely be soaking up stock options. Howard Silverblatt at Standard & Poor's says shareholders will see little real benefit from buybacks because they're merely offsetting shares issued as employee stock options.

For instance, Merrill Lynch plans to buy up to $2 billion of its own stock, which is equivalent to 33 million shares. But that doesn't cover the 37.5 million shares of employee stock options that Merrill had outstanding in September, which diluted earnings.

Companies are "buying back (shares) with one hand and issuing new ones with the other," Silverblatt says.

•Are distracting investors from dividends. By promising a buyback, companies can appease investors and avoid pressure to increase a dividend. New tax laws have made dividends more popular with investors. But companies still prefer buybacks because they are not required to follow through.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/management/2004-02-15-buybacks_x.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 01:24:23 PM
Klaas ... Monkeys

Would somebody please provide me a source/link that relates to the latest happenings in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 01:26:15 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

On top of what 2nj is saying it would be interesting to see if any of the culprits in the collapse of Superior Offshore invested in CalDive,and or Helix???

I will keep working on it~but the acquisition was nicely timed don't you think. ::MonkeyWink::

Thanx IslandMonkey!How long would a deal like this have to be in the works?Would negotiations have started before the search started,and or during??

Well, that's a loaded question with many variables........except in the news release it shows that they are only paying 12mm for the company, and that might make it easier for the board members and shareholders to approve due to the small sum of money involved.......sorry, I'd have to know more variables to answer that better.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 01:26:42 PM
oldiebutgoody,

Blonde has compiled much of the discussion that brought us to the present one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.0

Janet,

We started looking at Superior Offshore (Schaefer) & The Silvetti Group of Companies.  We're 'following the money', so to speak.     ::MonkeyWaa::    Not sure I know where it's leading or if it has any significance.

How is your paper on the Kalpoe/McGraw suit coming along? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 01:27:06 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

On top of what 2nj is saying it would be interesting to see if any of the culprits in the collapse of Superior Offshore invested in CalDive,and or Helix???

I will keep working on it~but the acquisition was nicely timed don't you think. ::MonkeyWink::

Thanx IslandMonkey!How long would a deal like this have to be in the works?Would negotiations have started before the search started,and or during??

Well, that's a loaded question with many variables........except in the news release it shows that they are only paying 12mm for the company, and that might make it easier for the board members and shareholders to approve due to the small sum of money involved.......sorry, I'd have to know more variables to answer that better.

Sorry, meant to attach this article


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 01:27:12 PM

It seems Cal Dive is doing pretty well if they can buy back shares of their own company. How does their success or lack thereof relate to the Natalee Holloway case or any of the major players in the investigation into Natalee's disappearance?  Can or did this company or its directors influence the efforts made to investigate what happened to Natalee?


Welcome oldiebutgoodie.  Good Morning Monkeys.

I am very confused too.  However ... maybe the Monkeys researching this topic could provide a SIMPLE overview as to the implication ... where this is all headed and ... how it all relates to the Persistence undertaking.

Thanks

Janet
10:20 AM PT




EDIT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 01:32:04 PM
oldiebutgoody,

Blonde has compiled much of the discussion that brought us to the present one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.0

Janet,

We started looking at Superior Offshore (Schaefer) & The Silvetti Group of Companies.  We're 'following the money', so to speak.     ::MonkeyWaa::    Not sure I know where it's leading or if it has any significance.

How is your paper on the Kalpoe/McGraw suit coming along? 

My DIL assisted me in cleaning it up last night.  The teacher in her dictated she could not have said the paper was just fine.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyways ... it is almost completed. 

We need to know what the lastest happenings are.  I believe Klaas posted an article a couple of weeks back.  

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 09, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
Thank you for the informative discussion today everyone, it was a welcomed change.

I'm off to catch some flies.



Enjoy your "dinner". I always look forward to reading on the NH thread, and enjoy your insight and thoroughness ::MonkeyCool::

Islandmonkey, have you got anything on CalDive out of Louisiana?
You have been a great help today.


MAGNOLIA~I JUST GOT OFF THE BLOOMBERG AND CALDIVE ACQUIRED SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL THRU A DIVESTITURE ON 6/30/08 FOR 12MM ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::  Attached it the bloomberg page for Cal Dive and their Corporate Action Calendar. so at least we know where superior offshore landed... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

VERY interesting timing there!!

Thanks islandmonkey for finding that.

On July 7th, Kyle told us Tim Trahan had been fired, and Underwater Expeditions was being dissolved.

From what we can tell, UE is still operational, under the guidance of Tim Trahan.

Is there any way you can find out the status of Underwater Expeditions for us?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on February 09, 2009, 01:35:11 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

Yes mam~according the the Bloomberg, it's on the last sheet I attached to my post and was approved by the bankruptcy court effective 6/11/08 ::MonkeyCool::

How does this news story from January 26, 2009 relate to all those business goings-on?

Cal Dive To Buy Back 12.6% Of Its Shares From Parent Helix

TEL AVIV -- Cal Dive International Inc., the Houston provider of offshore construction services to the energy industry, definitively agreed to buy 13.6 million of its shares, a 12.6% holding, from Helix Energy Solutions Group Inc., the companies said in separate statements late on Sunday. The move reduces Helix's holding in Cal Dive to 51% from 57%. Cal Dive will pay $6.34 a share, or $86 million, for the holding. The deal price is about 2% below the 30-day average trading price of the stock as of Jan. 16, Helix said. Cal Dive shares closed on Friday at $7.01. Cal Dive said the terms were approved by a panel of four of its directors who aren't also directors of Helix. Helix, the Houston offshore-energy-services company, said it will use the funds for general purposes. Cal Dive said it will fund the purchase via its revolving-credit line. It said the buyback is "attractive at current trading prices."
[posted on FoxBusiness.com at http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/ (http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/) ]


It seems Cal Dive is doing pretty well if they can buy back shares of their own company. How does their success or lack thereof relate to the Natalee Holloway case or any of the major players in the investigation into Natalee's disappearance?  Can or did this company or its directors influence the efforts made to investigate what happened to Natalee?

Welcome to this discussion which came about due to recent postings about the Persistence water search for Natalee.  Not being sure how much you've read here, it's hard to summarize in a post. 

Okay, I understand. I must be asking too broad a question. I've read some of this discussion and I think I understand that some of the people involved with the search for Natalee may also be involved with these companies in some way? Is that correct?

For example, if searching for Natalee was a "sidebar" exercise to the Persistence's other purpose in underwater mapping and that other purpose related to these companies and their successes and failures, that would somehow impact the search for Natalee? Is that right?

If the Persistence was begging for money from the public to finance the search for Natalee when all along their deep-sea exploration was being underwritten by one of these companies for the sake of their "other purpose" in being in Aruban waters, then the story about having to give up the Natalee search for lack of funds couldn't be true.

I'm not sure their being underwritten, even if for a different purpose, is necessarily a bad thing in and of itself. If some big company wants to pick up the tab for their own business and along the way it does some good for the search for Natalee, that's not a bad thing.

Where it becomes a bad thing is if these corporate/police/government interests didn't want the real truth about Natalee coming out and so forced an end to the Persistence search as well as absconding with recovered evidence.

And somehow, these financial statements are a series of breadcrumbs (evidence) that will make a trail leading to the individual(s) who were beholden (owed debts/favors) to those corporate/police/government interests.

Am I understanding this right? I'm kind of an airhead about financial statements. I can't even balance a checkbook. I start out every month with x amount of dollars and don't spend more than that x amount. That's the only high finance I understand.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 01:35:13 PM
Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Hearings
03/26/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (Further Interrogatory Responsesand Production of Documents (4);2) Second Motion to Dismiss andRequest for Terminating Sanctions3)

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 01:35:52 PM

It seems Cal Dive is doing pretty well if they can buy back shares of their own company. How does their success or lack thereof relate to the Natalee Holloway case or any of the major players in the investigation into Natalee's disappearance?  Can or did this company or its directors influence the efforts made to investigate what happened to Natalee?


Welcome oldiebutgoodie.  Good Morning Monkeys.

I am very confused too.  However ... maybe the Monkeys researching this topic could provide a SIMPLE overview as to the implication ... where this is all headed and ... how it all relates to the Persistence undertaking.

Thanks

Janet
10:20 AM PT




I'm not that far in yet~ my first post was Friday about the IPO of Superior Offshore and it's chart that showed pure fraud perpetuated on the stockholders, while the insiders sold on inside information and left the unsuspecting shareholders holding stock that was worthless.

Then Magnolia asked me to look into CalDive........so, when I got on the Bloomberg today and started searching I ran across the corporate calendar (never mentioned Superior Offshore), just stated "certain asset" which caught my eye, so I opened the page and there it was the divestiture detail on Superior and CalDive.

Hat's off to Magnolia for asking me to look into CalDive.......I wish she were here ::MonkeyWink::

EDIT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 01:38:01 PM
Thanks, islandmonkey.   So if CalDive is a subsidiary of Helix, then was Superior Offshore absorbed into CalDive brand? 

Yes mam~according the the Bloomberg, it's on the last sheet I attached to my post and was approved by the bankruptcy court effective 6/11/08 ::MonkeyCool::

How does this news story from January 26, 2009 relate to all those business goings-on?

Cal Dive To Buy Back 12.6% Of Its Shares From Parent Helix

TEL AVIV -- Cal Dive International Inc., the Houston provider of offshore construction services to the energy industry, definitively agreed to buy 13.6 million of its shares, a 12.6% holding, from Helix Energy Solutions Group Inc., the companies said in separate statements late on Sunday. The move reduces Helix's holding in Cal Dive to 51% from 57%. Cal Dive will pay $6.34 a share, or $86 million, for the holding. The deal price is about 2% below the 30-day average trading price of the stock as of Jan. 16, Helix said. Cal Dive shares closed on Friday at $7.01. Cal Dive said the terms were approved by a panel of four of its directors who aren't also directors of Helix. Helix, the Houston offshore-energy-services company, said it will use the funds for general purposes. Cal Dive said it will fund the purchase via its revolving-credit line. It said the buyback is "attractive at current trading prices."
[posted on FoxBusiness.com at http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/ (http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/cal-dive-buy--shares-parent-helix/) ]


It seems Cal Dive is doing pretty well if they can buy back shares of their own company. How does their success or lack thereof relate to the Natalee Holloway case or any of the major players in the investigation into Natalee's disappearance?  Can or did this company or its directors influence the efforts made to investigate what happened to Natalee?

Welcome to this discussion which came about due to recent postings about the Persistence water search for Natalee.  Not being sure how much you've read here, it's hard to summarize in a post. 

Okay, I understand. I must be asking too broad a question. I've read some of this discussion and I think I understand that some of the people involved with the search for Natalee may also be involved with these companies in some way? Is that correct?

For example, if searching for Natalee was a "sidebar" exercise to the Persistence's other purpose in underwater mapping and that other purpose related to these companies and their successes and failures, that would somehow impact the search for Natalee? Is that right?

If the Persistence was begging for money from the public to finance the search for Natalee when all along their deep-sea exploration was being underwritten by one of these companies for the sake of their "other purpose" in being in Aruban waters, then the story about having to give up the Natalee search for lack of funds couldn't be true.

I'm not sure their being underwritten, even if for a different purpose, is necessarily a bad thing in and of itself. If some big company wants to pick up the tab for their own business and along the way it does some good for the search for Natalee, that's not a bad thing.

Where it becomes a bad thing is if these corporate/police/government interests didn't want the real truth about Natalee coming out and so forced an end to the Persistence search as well as absconding with recovered evidence.

And somehow, these financial statements are a series of breadcrumbs (evidence) that will make a trail leading to the individual(s) who were beholden (owed debts/favors) to those corporate/police/government interests.

Am I understanding this right? I'm kind of an airhead about financial statements. I can't even balance a checkbook. I start out every month with x amount of dollars and don't spend more than that x amount. That's the only high finance I understand.   ::MonkeyConfused::

That's the best way so far to desribe it i think Oldie.If any other Monkey has something to ADD.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 09, 2009, 01:39:12 PM
From what I can tell - Superior Offshore didn't sell out to CalDive - but merely sold a diving system to them (and possibly other assets.........interesting that they only listed 50m in assets at the time of the bankruptcy).

Superior Diving is another company of Shaefer's, I believe there was some consolidating done at a prior time - but it looks to now be a name that is being used more frequently since the bankruptcy of Superior Offshore.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 01:40:23 PM
AROIL TRADING
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=33754

Interesting, Glembert own many people on Aruba Money.

Now check also Nelson Oduber, He also has open a bussines, I may recall it was in offshore oil rigging.
 

AROIL TRADING PARTNERS

Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 94, SUITE 310, ORANJESTAD WEST, ARUBA
Legal form OPEN PARTNERSHIP
Name of the company AROIL TRADING V.O.F.
Date of commencement 1 DECEMBER 2004
 
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

CROES, GILBERTO FRANCOIS (JR);
Residing in BORANCANA 20, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 13 SEPTEMBER 1969
Nationality DUTCH
Position PARTNER
Effective 1 DECEMBER 2004
Authority MANAGING PARTNER
 
CROES, GLENBERT FRANCOIS;
Residing in CUMANA 84, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 5 JULY 1966
Nationality DUTCH
Position PARTNER
Effective 1 DECEMBER 2004
Authority PRESIDENT & MANAGING PARTNER

# Whom are the partners of AROIL TRADING?
Because of the fact that we treausure the privacy of our business relationships we don't disclose our partners. We believe this has been one of the reasons for our successes.....protecting our partnerships and partners.
Back to Top

# In which Markets is AROIL TRADING active?
We are active in the U.S., Caribbean, South American, European markets. We are currently entertaining proposals to enter the African and Asian markets.
Back to Top

# What is AROIL TRADING's relationship with the Oil Corporations?
We are partners in the form of Joint Ventures, Consultants and Agents with major Oil Corporations.


If we can connect the Croes AROIL Co. to any of these companies prior to the search,then i think we have something?Monkey's..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 01:41:39 PM

KERMIT.....

AROIL TRADING
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=33754

Interesting, Glembert own many people on Aruba Money.

Now check also Nelson Oduber, He also has open a bussines, I may recall it was in offshore oil rigging.
 

AROIL TRADING PARTNERS

Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 94, SUITE 310, ORANJESTAD WEST, ARUBA
Legal form OPEN PARTNERSHIP
Name of the company AROIL TRADING V.O.F.
Date of commencement 1 DECEMBER 2004
 
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

CROES, GILBERTO FRANCOIS (JR);
Residing in BORANCANA 20, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 13 SEPTEMBER 1969
Nationality DUTCH
Position PARTNER
Effective 1 DECEMBER 2004
Authority MANAGING PARTNER
 
CROES, GLENBERT FRANCOIS;
Residing in CUMANA 84, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 5 JULY 1966
Nationality DUTCH
Position PARTNER
Effective 1 DECEMBER 2004
Authority PRESIDENT & MANAGING PARTNER

# Whom are the partners of AROIL TRADING?
Because of the fact that we treausure the privacy of our business relationships we don't disclose our partners. We believe this has been one of the reasons for our successes.....protecting our partnerships and partners.
Back to Top

# In which Markets is AROIL TRADING active?
We are active in the U.S., Caribbean, South American, European markets. We are currently entertaining proposals to enter the African and Asian markets.
Back to Top

# What is AROIL TRADING's relationship with the Oil Corporations?
We are partners in the form of Joint Ventures, Consultants and Agents with major Oil Corporations.


KEEPTHEFAITH


If we can connect the Croes AROIL Co. to any of these companies prior to the search,then i think we have something?Monkey's..


Correction...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 09, 2009, 01:41:57 PM
Klaas ... Monkeys

Would somebody please provide me a source/link that relates to the latest happenings in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

Thanks

Janet


Speaking of the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

Future Hearings
03/26/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (Further Interrogatory Responsesand Production of Documents (4);2) Second Motion to Dismiss andRequest for Terminating Sanctions3) Case Management Conference)



Most recent doc filed:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/k012609a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/k012609b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 01:42:16 PM
Oldie,

I think you've said it.  My finance background is not too different than yours. 

Jen,

Underwater Expeditions isn't public, so islandmonkey may not be able to answer your question......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 01:44:50 PM
Thank you for the informative discussion today everyone, it was a welcomed change.

I'm off to catch some flies.



Enjoy your "dinner". I always look forward to reading on the NH thread, and enjoy your insight and thoroughness ::MonkeyCool::

Islandmonkey, have you got anything on CalDive out of Louisiana?
You have been a great help today.


MAGNOLIA~I JUST GOT OFF THE BLOOMBERG AND CALDIVE ACQUIRED SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL THRU A DIVESTITURE ON 6/30/08 FOR 12MM ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::  Attached it the bloomberg page for Cal Dive and their Corporate Action Calendar. so at least we know where superior offshore landed... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

VERY interesting timing there!!

Thanks islandmonkey for finding that.

On July 7th, Kyle told us Tim Trahan had been fired, and Underwater Expeditions was being dissolved.

From what we can tell, UE is still operational, under the guidance of Tim Trahan.

Is there any way you can find out the status of Underwater Expeditions for us?

Not unless it's a publicly traded company~that's the only way I found this. The bloomberg is the end all be all for researching public companies.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 09, 2009, 01:45:27 PM
Oldie,

I think you've said it.  My finance background is not too different than yours. 

Jen,

Underwater Expeditions isn't public, so islandmonkey may not be able to answer your question......

Crap!!  Thanks 2NJ!

It was after that post of Kyle's that he went AWOL from our forum for over 2 months.  We've been trying to figure out exactly what was going on at that time to cause him to veer off the path he brought us in on.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 01:48:08 PM
Source: Superior Offshore International, Inc. 
Superior Offshore International Executive Management Terminates 10b5-1 Stock Plans
HOUSTON, Nov. 16, 2007 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq:DEEP) announced today that James J. Mermis, its President and Chief Executive Officer, and Roger D. Burks, its Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer, have terminated their Rule 10b5-1 trading plans, which had been initiated in part to pay federal income taxes on vested restricted stock grants. The Company's former General Counsel, R. Joshua Koch, Jr., has also terminated his Rule 10b5-1 trading plan.

James J. Mermis stated, "Roger Burks and I do not plan to make any additional sales this year and have terminated our 10b5-1 trading plans. We both believe Superior Offshore common stock is undervalued at current levels based on peer trading multiples and our financial guidance for the remainder of 2007 and 2008."  
Mr. Mermis continues to own approximately 669,000 shares of Superior Offshore common stock and Mr. Burks continues to own approximately 223,000 shares.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 02:00:46 PM
From what I can tell - Superior Offshore didn't sell out to CalDive - but merely sold a diving system to them (and possibly other assets.........interesting that they only listed 50m in assets at the time of the bankruptcy).

Superior Diving is another company of Shaefer's, I believe there was some consolidating done at a prior time - but it looks to now be a name that is being used more frequently since the bankruptcy of Superior Offshore.

That's not what I'm seeing~look back to the first attachment I posted. It shows  Target:
Industry:
County:

Seller:
Industry:
Counrty:

It's SIC code is OIL.NG SVS and if you scroll over past status it shows 100% sought .....and they actually showed less than 50mm in assets, So, unless there was another divestiture and I couldn;t find one except this one for Superior Offshore International, this would be the whole enchilada.

The only other actions are the class action lawsuit, bankruptcy filing, change in NASDAQ listing (being delisted), NASDAQ ticker symbol change and ONE divestiture. Sorry, if that sounds confusing ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 02:01:36 PM
Klaas ... Monkeys

Would somebody please provide me a source/link that relates to the latest happenings in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

Thanks

Janet


Speaking of the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

Future Hearings
03/26/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (Further Interrogatory Responsesand Production of Documents (4);2) Second Motion to Dismiss andRequest for Terminating Sanctions3) Case Management Conference)



Most recent doc filed:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/k012609a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/k012609b.jpg)

Thanks San.  Thanks Klaas.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 02:05:49 PM
http://www.mandarinoriental.com/rivieramaya/leisure/sports/

·· Situated on the Caribbean we are ideally located to arrange numerous exciting watersports from diving over the miraculously colorful reef to the thrills of kitesurfing. The jungle affords its own excitements, such as cenote dives or a high speed trip through the tropical canopy on a zip wire. Below are further sporting details.

All water activities are organized by our friends at Underwater Expeditions, right on the beach, who offer expert guidance in choosing the best activity for you. For more information you can also email them direct on uwemarina@gmail.com.

(snipped)


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on February 09, 2009, 02:08:26 PM
The Aroil Trading Partners Website (http://aroiltradingpartners.com/) states they cannot reveal who their clients are because they must respect their clients need for confidentiality. That sounds good and I suppose that is a good way to conduct business but it would also provide cover for a dishonest company or individual to claim to be an international powerhouse in their specific field when, in fact, they could be sitting around their office twiddling their thumbs. This would allow them to continue to rake in money from new clients (whose interests they may or may not be able to serve) and it would also provide cover if they were involved in business dealings they didn't want their own government or the United States government or any other government to know anything about.

For an example of one such "hidden" endeavor, see this article:  Oil Trading's Powerful "Dark Markets" (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/17/broadcasts/main4188620.shtml).  Oil speculators, those who trade in oil futures, have had a negative impact on Wall Street and the American economy. Oil speculators would probably love to get a nicely gridded map of the ocean bottom and the possibilities for oil exploration. Hmmm...

IF the Croes brothers are making a tidy sum by supplying needed intel to oil speculators, that might be one way to keep solvent... and rich. Anything that would stand in the way of that would be an inconvenience to be disposed of and hopefully not in a way that causes international scandal. Oh well. Sometimes, it is what it is.

This is just me doing a stream-of-consciousness thing. Sometimes, it leads somewhere relevant. Sometimes not.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 09, 2009, 02:09:17 PM
http://www.mandarinoriental.com/rivieramaya/leisure/sports/

·· Situated on the Caribbean we are ideally located to arrange numerous exciting watersports from diving over the miraculously colorful reef to the thrills of kitesurfing. The jungle affords its own excitements, such as cenote dives or a high speed trip through the tropical canopy on a zip wire. Below are further sporting details.

All water activities are organized by our friends at Underwater Expeditions, right on the beach, who offer expert guidance in choosing the best activity for you. For more information you can also email them direct on uwemarina@gmail.com.

(snipped)


 

Thanks 2NJ.

I hadn't seen that before.  But just like the others I have seen, it looks like UE is still operational.  Shaefer also had involvement in that company - I may be wrong, but I believe he and Trahan were partners in it.

What leads me to believe this, is Kyle spoke of Trahan as Shaefer's representative.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 09, 2009, 02:37:23 PM
Hans Mos denies that he is fired

he was offered a job on Monday last week.
and on Tuesday news of the leaked internal VNO-report came out.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52513.php

but the VNO-report was of January 16th. this report was emailed to the the wrong recipient.
this is how Rudy Croes got it.
likely he had the report long before Mos got offered this job.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 02:40:17 PM
http://www.mandarinoriental.com/rivieramaya/leisure/sports/

·· Situated on the Caribbean we are ideally located to arrange numerous exciting watersports from diving over the miraculously colorful reef to the thrills of kitesurfing. The jungle affords its own excitements, such as cenote dives or a high speed trip through the tropical canopy on a zip wire. Below are further sporting details.

All water activities are organized by our friends at Underwater Expeditions, right on the beach, who offer expert guidance in choosing the best activity for you. For more information you can also email them direct on uwemarina@gmail.com.

(snipped)


 

Thanks 2NJ.

I hadn't seen that before.  But just like the others I have seen, it looks like UE is still operational.  Shaefer also had involvement in that company - I may be wrong, but I believe he and Trahan were partners in it.

What leads me to believe this, is Kyle spoke of Trahan as Shaefer's representative.



KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S.  I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.

Kyle:  I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle:  On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 02:43:28 PM
Hotping

What was on the breakfast menu this morning?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 09, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
Search For Natalee Holloway
KPLC-TV, LA -

Trahan and Lake Charles native Louis Schaefer Jr. head up Underwater Expeditions  around the world. ...
lcpirate.com/2007/12/24

Captain Elliott’s sells fishing operations
By Hunter Sauls
The Facts     

Published January 4, 2008
FREEPORT — As longtime owners of the charter fishing tour boats of Captain Elliott’s Party Boats pull out of the recreational fishing business — the new owner, Underwater Expeditions, is baiting their hooks.

Last January, the owners of Captain Elliott’s said they would be closing shop due to lack of profit and increased restrictions on red snapper fishing, their main attraction.

Since then, Kemah resident Louis Schaefer, chairman of Superior Offshore International Inc., a worldwide commercial diving company, has bought the two boats  and is expected to close on a deal to buy the docks and buildings next month, said Casey Cundieff, vice president of Captain Elliott’s.
The first trip is scheduled for Jan. 18. They’ll be taking out the “Big E”, which can carry 105 people, on a 52-hour tour out for yellow and black fin tuna, said ship captain and Freeport resident Robert Poulsen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 09, 2009, 02:51:20 PM
Hotping

What was on the breakfast menu this morning?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
  ::MonkeyTongue:: Noneya!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Seriously I was Just having alittle fun with Ya Yesterday....I Actually made Him French Toast which was the Surprise!  ::MonkeyWink:: This Morning was Two Eggs Over Easy Grits, Sausage and Biscuits! Oh and Hot coffee! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 09, 2009, 02:56:09 PM
http://www.mandarinoriental.com/rivieramaya/leisure/sports/

·· Situated on the Caribbean we are ideally located to arrange numerous exciting watersports from diving over the miraculously colorful reef to the thrills of kitesurfing. The jungle affords its own excitements, such as cenote dives or a high speed trip through the tropical canopy on a zip wire. Below are further sporting details.

All water activities are organized by our friends at Underwater Expeditions, right on the beach, who offer expert guidance in choosing the best activity for you. For more information you can also email them direct on uwemarina@gmail.com.

(snipped)


 

Thanks 2NJ.

I hadn't seen that before.  But just like the others I have seen, it looks like UE is still operational.  Shaefer also had involvement in that company - I may be wrong, but I believe he and Trahan were partners in it.

What leads me to believe this, is Kyle spoke of Trahan as Shaefer's representative.



KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S.  I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.

Kyle:  I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle:  On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.

And in my mind - this is hitting the nail on the head.

Kyle kept insisting over and over again that it was Shaefer who owned the rights to that ROV footage.

And that was AFTER Superior went belly up, and Shaefer resigned from it.

So that means............it is Underwater Expeditions who owns (owned) the rights to that footage.

So my question is - how/did UE benefit/profit from this mapping search off the shores of Aruba?

For that answer (and more) do we now look for something tying Shaefer and Silvetti together both before and after Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 09, 2009, 03:00:25 PM
Have this two names come up before?  ::MonkeyConfused::
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http://nholloway.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=9


Special Notice:
By John Silvetti-
The original search area surveyed by the R/V Persistence was selected based on numerous pieces of information provided by Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, investigations, interrogations, depositions and other information from local authorities. After compiling and reviewing the information, the search area was selected by Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti. Upon completion of the sonar runs in this area, 65 ROV dives were performed by Offshore Innovative Solutions (OIS) on targets identified by sonar. Divers from the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions made several dives and retrieved samples which were delivered for analysis. Several targets in this first survey grid yet remain to be investigated by ROV which will occur in approximately one week when ROV dive operations recommence.

RV Persistence - Courtesy visit from the Aruba Coast Guard 27-Jan 0940 hrs



Tim Miller - TES
Louis E. Schaeffer, Jr.
John Silvetti
Tim Trahan - underwater expeditions
Brandon Hernandez - ROV Pilot
Marc Broussard - Project Manager
Kent Bourg - Party Chief
Kyle Kingman - Geophysical Engineer
Anthony Fontenot - Technician

Financial Support:
Greg Landry - Offshore Innovative Solutions
Erik McGuire - Seatronics


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 09, 2009, 03:03:22 PM
Have this two names come up before?  ::MonkeyConfused::
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http://nholloway.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=9


Special Notice:
By John Silvetti-
The original search area surveyed by the R/V Persistence was selected based on numerous pieces of information provided by Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, investigations, interrogations, depositions and other information from local authorities. After compiling and reviewing the information, the search area was selected by Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti. Upon completion of the sonar runs in this area, 65 ROV dives were performed by Offshore Innovative Solutions (OIS) on targets identified by sonar. Divers from the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions made several dives and retrieved samples which were delivered for analysis. Several targets in this first survey grid yet remain to be investigated by ROV which will occur in approximately one week when ROV dive operations recommence.

RV Persistence - Courtesy visit from the Aruba Coast Guard 27-Jan 0940 hrs



Tim Miller - TES
Louis E. Schaeffer, Jr.
John Silvetti
Tim Trahan - underwater expeditions
Brandon Hernandez - ROV Pilot
Marc Broussard - Project Manager
Kent Bourg - Party Chief
Kyle Kingman - Geophysical Engineer
Anthony Fontenot - Technician

Financial Support:
Greg Landry - Offshore Innovative Solutions
Erik McGuire - Seatronics
Correction... the names are Greg Landry Offshore Innovative Solutions  and Erik Mcguire of Seatronics


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 03:06:40 PM
February 2008

The previous owners of Subtech Diving and Marine have negotiated the buy back of Superior Offshore South Africa from Superior Offshore International Inc. The company will trade as Subtech (Pty) Ltd from the 1st March 2008 and will continue to focus on marine civil construction, salvage, ships husbandry, NDT and offshore support along the coast of Southern Africa, the Indian Ocean islands and the Middle East.


http://www.subtech.co.za/content/view/60/17/


Don't know if this matters in the grand scheme of things?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 03:16:28 PM
Hotping

What was on the breakfast menu this morning?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
  ::MonkeyTongue:: Noneya!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Seriously I was Just having alittle fun with Ya Yesterday....I Actually made Him French Toast which was the Surprise!  ::MonkeyWink:: This Morning was Two Eggs Over Easy Grits, Sausage and Biscuits! Oh and Hot coffee! ::MonkeyWink::

  ::MonkeyWaa::

Oh ... what I would do for just one strong cuppa hot caffienated Tim Hortons coffee.  I am imagining the feeling of it warming its way through my system.  I am imagining the related buzz.

However ... you know what they say about additions.

"One is too much and 12 are not enough."

Have a good afternoon Monkeys.

I am off.

Janet
12:15 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on February 09, 2009, 03:28:16 PM
Have this two names come up before?  ::MonkeyConfused::
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http://nholloway.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=9


Special Notice:
By John Silvetti-
The original search area surveyed by the R/V Persistence was selected based on numerous pieces of information provided by Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, investigations, interrogations, depositions and other information from local authorities. After compiling and reviewing the information, the search area was selected by Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti. Upon completion of the sonar runs in this area, 65 ROV dives were performed by Offshore Innovative Solutions (OIS) on targets identified by sonar. Divers from the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions made several dives and retrieved samples which were delivered for analysis. Several targets in this first survey grid yet remain to be investigated by ROV which will occur in approximately one week when ROV dive operations recommence.

RV Persistence - Courtesy visit from the Aruba Coast Guard 27-Jan 0940 hrs



Tim Miller - TES
Louis E. Schaeffer, Jr.
John Silvetti
Tim Trahan - underwater expeditions
Brandon Hernandez - ROV Pilot
Marc Broussard - Project Manager
Kent Bourg - Party Chief
Kyle Kingman - Geophysical Engineer
Anthony Fontenot - Technician

Financial Support:
Greg Landry - Offshore Innovative Solutions
Erik McGuire - Seatronics
Correction... the names are Greg Landry Offshore Innovative Solutions  and Erik Mcguire of Seatronics

I made a post a couple of pages back about someone else who was onboard the Persistence at least at the beginning and kept an online diary of his time in Aruba with the Persistence crew and he includes a lot of photos. The url to my post is here:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4477.msg665857#msg665857 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4477.msg665857#msg665857)

His name is Dr. Andrew G. Hodges and it seems he was investigating Natalee's disappearance for two years before joining the Persistence. He is a "forensic thoughtprint" expert and I was just a little confused about what that had to do with deep-sea exploration. Please see my linked post for the rest of the info on this guy.

Out of all the people who have been involved in this case in whatever capacity, doesn't it seem possible that at least ONE of them is capable of offering up some truth and closure for the people who love Natalee? So even the minor players may turn out to be important sources of information.

I wonder why Dr. Hodges is not on the Persistence list? He was in an Aruban hotel at the time the ROV crew was doing their thing and he was acting as go-between-by-phone for Dave Holloway and Tim Miller. But, Dr. Hodges had been onboard the Persistence for part of their exploratory efforts. How much has he been of assistance to the FBI or any other investigators in this case?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Frank on February 09, 2009, 03:43:06 PM
Can someone clue me in on the meaning of a VNO report and what that is all about? I've been away awhile and didn't see that?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 03:44:35 PM
Have this two names come up before?  ::MonkeyConfused::
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=9


Special Notice:
By John Silvetti-
The original search area surveyed by the R/V Persistence was selected based on numerous pieces of information provided by Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, investigations, interrogations, depositions and other information from local authorities. After compiling and reviewing the information, the search area was selected by Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti. Upon completion of the sonar runs in this area, 65 ROV dives were performed by Offshore Innovative Solutions (OIS) on targets identified by sonar. Divers from the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions made several dives and retrieved samples which were delivered for analysis. Several targets in this first survey grid yet remain to be investigated by ROV which will occur in approximately one week when ROV dive operations recommence.

RV Persistence - Courtesy visit from the Aruba Coast Guard 27-Jan 0940 hrs



Tim Miller - TES
Louis E. Schaeffer, Jr.
John Silvetti
Tim Trahan - underwater expeditions
Brandon Hernandez - ROV Pilot
Marc Broussard - Project Manager
Kent Bourg - Party Chief
Kyle Kingman - Geophysical Engineer
Anthony Fontenot - Technician

Financial Support:
Greg Landry - Offshore Innovative Solutions
Erik McGuire - Seatronics
Correction... the names are Greg Landry Offshore Innovative Solutions  and Erik Mcguire of Seatronics

I made a post a couple of pages back about someone else who was onboard the Persistence at least at the beginning and kept an online diary of his time in Aruba with the Persistence crew and he includes a lot of photos. The url to my post is here:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4477.msg665857#msg665857 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4477.msg665857#msg665857)

His name is Dr. Andrew G. Hodges and it seems he was investigating Natalee's disappearance for two years before joining the Persistence. He is a "forensic thoughtprint" expert and I was just a little confused about what that had to do with deep-sea exploration. Please see my linked post for the rest of the info on this guy.

Out of all the people who have been involved in this case in whatever capacity, doesn't it seem possible that at least ONE of them is capable of offering up some truth and closure for the people who love Natalee? So even the minor players may turn out to be important sources of information.

I wonder why Dr. Hodges is not on the Persistence list? He was in an Aruban hotel at the time the ROV crew was doing their thing and he was acting as go-between-by-phone for Dave Holloway and Tim Miller. But, Dr. Hodges had been onboard the Persistence for part of their exploratory efforts. How much has he been of assistance to the FBI or any other investigators in this case?

DR. HODGES

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #713 on: March 01, 2008, 07:07:54 PM »


It would be rotten of me to lurk and not comment about our departure.  I agree, it feels absolutely awkward leaving.  I know it seems there are more questions now than before the search even began.  The only comfort and comment I can affort is knowing that many questions will be answered in time. 

As for the remaining targets:
There are between 100-200 targets yet to be explored.  Remember, we are searching for anything that could contain human remains, not just a fish trap. It's likely most of these remaining targets are simply debris or unimportant seabed features.  However, we originally set out to leave no stone unturned.  The plan is (as of today-plans do often change) to return to these targets once we've secured adequate funding with a dedicated ROV team on a different boat.  A different boat would be more efficient at running ROV operations both in terms of maneuvering and cost. 

-The Aruban authorities do not know our target list, nor have the capability to investigate most of the targets. 
-AF2 is on the Island.  To me this indicates Cheney is on the island, but I can't confirm this nor comment on the reason for the visit.
-The trap in question is significantly larger than Dr. Hodges reported dimensions from the fishermen huts owner.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358604;topicseen#msg358604


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #92 on: March 03, 2008, 06:35:58 PM »


The trap was symmetrical in width and length at approximately 7.5 ft. It was approximately 2.25-2.5 ft high.  You're correct about the ROV video lens distorting perspective due to the paralax view lens. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360072#msg360072


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 - 3/14/08
« Reply #923 on: March 14, 2008, 01:23:03 PM »


Dr. Hodges and I hung out on the back deck of the Persistence where he took me through the thought-print process and how the human mind works in those regards.  After several hours, my mind felt like "swiss-cheese" (Tot - I like that, I may have to use it).  I had to cut him off midway (after several hours) because I was dehydrated and getting severely sun burnt lol.  We finished inside the cool galley of the Persistence. Dr. Hodges never skipped a beat.  His theories are far outside of my expertise, so I'm in no position to judge them as valid or not.  I hope they're valid for their potential application to other future cases and current cold cases.  As far as the search goes, the theories played no part in the planning or execution of the search.  Regardless, I enjoyed talking with him particularly in terms of our mutual faith in Jesus Christ.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg365082;topicseen#msg365082







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 03:45:37 PM
 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 03:46:12 PM
::cartwheel::

Frank is back !!!
 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on February 09, 2009, 03:47:38 PM
Thank you, Tamikosmom. I was trying to figure out where that guy fit into everything. His Aruba/Persistence diary is interesting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 09, 2009, 03:58:44 PM
Can someone clue me in on the meaning of a VNO report and what that is all about? I've been away awhile and didn't see that?



Aruba accuses the Netherlands of spying
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52415.php

Chief Public Prosecutor Hans Mos dismissed
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52496.php

these articles in English, especially the first one explain most of it.

and here some background on what the VNO is:
http://www.minbzk.nl/vertegenwoordiging-aruba/engels/the-representation


i think this is one of the most serious diplomatic rows between Aruba and The Netherlands.
today state secretary Bijleveld was supposed to send a letter to parliament with an explanation.
but nothing as of yet (it's almost 10pm here). or i've missed it.

the tension will cool down in the coming days, but as long as there are no formal apologies from The Netherlands, Rudy Croes (and Oduber) are free to say stupid things and that will only increase tensions.
so why Bijleveld is waiting with the apologies might be a sign that there is something even more serious going on behind the scenes so that she can't formulate a statement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 09, 2009, 04:42:20 PM
Great work Island Monkey and Magnolia. (seems Mister Goat has been good for Miss Magnolia).




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 09, 2009, 04:44:47 PM
WE KNOW THAT SCHAFER IS REORGANIZING HIS COMPANY, SELLING
OFF ALL OF HIS ASSETS, AND THEN RENEGOTIATING LEASING THEM
FROM THE COMPANIES THAT BUY THEM

As previously announced, in January 2008, the Company sold the Superior Achiever, which was under construction, to Hornbeck Offshore Services LLC, or “Hornbeck,” for approximately $70.0 million, the proceeds of which the Company used, among other things, to repay in full its term loan obligation to Fortis Capital Corp. and to repay a portion of its borrowings under its senior secured credit facility with JPMorgan Chase Bank. Following the sale, the Company has no further obligations to the shipbuilder with respect to the construction of the vessel; however, if certain construction costs for the Superior Achiever exceed $120.0 million, the Company will reimburse Hornbeck for the amount of such excess, up to $8.0 million. In addition, in connection with the sale of the Superior Achiever , the Company and Hornbeck entered into a five-year time charter for the Superior Achiever , or under certain circumstances, the HOS Iron Horse .
The Company has the option to terminate the charter by giving 90 days’ advance notice and paying a termination fee prior to the end of each six-month period within the term. The Company has provided Hornbeck with an $8.0 million cash secured letter of credit to secure its obligations to Hornbeck.
http://myway.brand.edgar-online.com/DisplayFilingInfo.aspx?Type=HTML&text=%2526lt%253bNEAR%252f4%2526gt%253b(%22ADAMS%22%2c%22SURVEYOR%22)&FilingID=5840983&ppu=%2fPeopleFilingResults.aspx%3fPersonID%3d4361538



WE KNOW THAT SCHAFER ANNOUNCED BANKRUPTCY UNDER A VOLUNTARY PETITION AND THAT THE COMPANY WILL OPERATE ITS BUSINESS AS A DEBTOR-IN-POSSESSION,

which would indicate he is remaining in the business

HOUSTON, April 25 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP - News; the "Company") today announced that it filed a voluntary petition under Chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy Code (the "Bankruptcy Code"), in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of Texas (the "Court") (Case No. 08-32590-H2-11). The Company will continue to operate its business as "debtor in possession" under the jurisdiction of the Court in accordance with the applicable provisions of the Bankruptcy Code and orders of the Court.
Contact:
Superior Offshore International, Inc.
713-910-1875
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080425/laf521.html?.v=2

WE KNOW THAT ARUBA HAS PLANS TO BUILD A PIPELINE FROM VENEZUELA TO THEIR ISLAND TO CARRY NATURAL GAS WITHIN ABOUT 3 YEARS

ORANJESTAD – As respond on the increasing oil prices and its negative consequences for our island, the government has decided to import gas from Colombia.  The electricity supply can be altered to use natural gas instead of fuel oil for an estimate of 20 millions.  The production of electricity and water becomes 40 percent cheaper because of this, said Premier Nelson Oduber yesterday.  “Besides, it’s going to be cleaner.”

The premier of Aruba made these comments during a press conference yesterday.  He is just back from a working visit in Colombia.  He took part as listener in the General Meeting of the Organization of American States (OAS) in Colombia.  He met with the Colombian president Alvaro Uribe last Sunday discussed among others the energy policy.  Uribe sugges ted supplying Aruba with natural gas, just like Colombia does with Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and Panama.  They agreed that the ambassador for the Kingdom will start negotiating today with the Colombian minister of Mining and energy.  A delegation of representatives of WEB and Elmar intends to go to Colombia and work out the further details afterwards.  This is an historic moment, said Oduber.

The premier says that altering the WEB to use natural gas instead of fuel oil must be possible in one year.  WEB will take care of the costs, about 20 millions.  The natural gas will have to be transported by ship in the beginning, but the construction of a pipeline must be considered on the medium- and long run.  This pipeline will have to run via Venezuela to our island.  Oduber thinks that this may take about 3 years.  Apart from using the gas for the production of electricity a nd water, it can also be used for cars and in the houses.  Oduber does not abandon the thoughts of other alternatives like wind- and sun energy, but these can only supply the island with a limited amount of electricity and water.  Other energy sources like pet-coke and pitch are too expensive, says the premier.  Also the deepwater cooling is no option.  “We do not have deepwater here.”
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2890.780
 

WE KNOW KYLE SAID JOHN HAD PLANS TO OPEN AN OFFICE IN ARUBA TO DO BUSINESS WITH SOUTH AMERICA
Kyle says:  Jun 13, 2008
He's seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.


Quote from: LegallyLex on April 03, 2008, 07:42:52 PM John, a lot of BFN posters have asked me how much money would be needed to complete the search. Can you provide an estimate on what amount would be needed? John: It is very difficult to say, since Louis has not selected a ROV vessel and we do not know how much of a humanitarian discount we can count on by the vessel and ROV owners, but my guess is that we will be looking at around 1 million dollars



Aug, after close of trading, the Offshore owners (Louis Schaffer) liquidated 49 million shares of their stock

Nov. 2007 Offshore is below its own forecasts for business

Dec. 2007 they sold off some assets

Jan, 2008 - Senior executives leave the company

Stock fell to $3.50/share

Schaefer sold off 1.5 million shares of his stock for $22.5 million and additional stock



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 09, 2009, 04:45:53 PM
Can someone clue me in on the meaning of a VNO report and what that is all about? I've been away awhile and didn't see that?



Caesu posted this excellent link about VNO for you.  I'm surprised that Johan and Basitibro didn't post the same link at CnG.

http://www.minbzk.nl/vertegenwoordiging-aruba/engels/the-representation


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 04:51:53 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::   Frank, too?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::        Copy & paste personnel on vacation? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 09, 2009, 04:54:20 PM
::MonkeyEek::   Frank, too?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::        Copy & paste personnel on vacation? 

As Deetch yes


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 05:00:37 PM
::MonkeyEek::   Frank, too?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::        Copy & paste personnel on vacation? 

As Deetch yes

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    Sometimes it's just fine not to know these things.  Ignorance is bliss, they say.  You have a way of throwing little bits out there, though.  Nice delivery.    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 09, 2009, 05:03:45 PM
FOLLOW THE MONEY - ARUBA STYLE

REMEMBER HOW THE PROSECUTOR ZWINKEL WAS ACCUSED OF TAKING MONEY
Instead of funneling it through the Government books, it would be placed directly into a Marketing Fund. This would generate $6,3 million US, with which the private sector, namely the AHATA Accommodations Partners, will add an additional 1% increase to the AHATA fee - representing a 33% increase from 2% to 3%.

Smith declared that 80% of this amount would be placed in the Central Bank Superfund which will total another $5.25 million US. AHATA restaurants will contribute a 1% fee, totaling approximately 500K US and the Activities, Attractions & Transfers businesses will join with a 1%, amounting to 450K US; Car Rentals, the Airport and all other players will increase the amount in its totality to a whopping $12,6 million US, which can be directed towards pure advertising.

WHO IS BEHIND ALL THIS
While AHATA will still support existing infrastructure and payroll, the ATA will do its share to support infrastructure payroll and promotion, and in that way the island will enjoy DOUBLE the advertising budget, and eliminate cash flow issues in the process, taking advertising dollars out of the political process without the need to change ATA’s structure


BACK TO THE FOLLOW THE MONEY = BANKS
Any deadlocks could be settled by a board of mediation made up of the Head of the Central Bank and two independent other members; one selected by each side and approved by the other in advance.

As a matter of fact, Smith revealed that high level meetings between the Government and AHATA have already taken place with general acceptance of a need for a revised structure of funding, achieved.

<snip>
With 575 + open positions at the hotels only, 900 + construction positions open, 867 + tourism related positions open and 24 + projects either ongoing or in the pipeline within the next 12 months, a projected 5000 tourism related openings are a reality in the work market, in the next 3 year
http://tinyurl.com/4y2tm8




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 09, 2009, 05:15:33 PM
Kermit -

Thanks for your expertise. Much appreciated.

BUCKSHOT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 05:23:37 PM
Great work Island Monkey and Magnolia. (seems Mister Goat has been good for Miss Magnolia).




Thanks Kermit~but I can't take credit, it was all Magnolia..........where is she anyway?? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 05:44:07 PM
Cal Dive Closes First Phase of Asset Purchase with Stolt Offshore     
  Cal Dive International, Inc.      Wednesday, November 02, 2005   


Cal Dive International has closed a transaction to purchase the diving assets of Stolt Offshore that presently operate in the Gulf of Mexico. The assets include: seven diving support vessels, a portable saturation diving system, various general diving equipment and Louisiana operating bases at the Port of Iberia and Fourchon.

The separate purchases of the DB801 and Kestrel will be closed when those assets complete their present work campaigns in Trinidadian waters. The total transaction value for all of the assets will be approximately $123 million. 



Stolt Offshore Wins 6-Year Pipelay Contract from Petrobras     
  Stolt Offshore      Friday, November 18, 2005  


Stolt Offshore has been awarded a new contract by Petrobras for a firm period of six years for deepwater flexible pipelay offshore Brazil.
The contract which will commence in January 2007 and is valued at approximately $250 million, will be undertaken by the CS Pertinacia which will be on long-term charter to Stolt Offshore from mid 2006. At the start of the charter period the ship will be converted from her original cable lay configuration to enable her to transport and install up to 2,500 tonnes of flexible flowlines in water depths of up to 2000 meters. The investment in the ship conversion and in project specific equipment will be approximately $55 million.


  Related Products   

Introduction to Oil and Gas Joint Ventures

Fundamentals of Oil & Gas Accounting, 4th Edition

 
Philippe Lamoure, Vice President, South America Region, said, "Following the recent increase in the exploration and production budget for Petrobras, we are now seeing substantial growth in the pace of offshore construction in Brazil. This contract, which is evidence of this market growth, will increase our revenue from the South America region by some 30% without the need to increase our local cost structure." 

You can find more here.....

http://www.rigzone.com/news/company.asp?comp_id=402


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 05:48:47 PM
Cal Dive Closes First Phase of Asset Purchase with Stolt Offshore     
  Cal Dive International, Inc.      Wednesday, November 02, 2005   


Cal Dive International has closed a transaction to purchase the diving assets of Stolt Offshore that presently operate in the Gulf of Mexico. The assets include: seven diving support vessels, a portable saturation diving system, various general diving equipment and Louisiana operating bases at the Port of Iberia and Fourchon.

The separate purchases of the DB801 and Kestrel will be closed when those assets complete their present work campaigns in Trinidadian waters. The total transaction value for all of the assets will be approximately $123 million. 



Stolt Offshore Wins 6-Year Pipelay Contract from Petrobras     
  Stolt Offshore      Friday, November 18, 2005  


Stolt Offshore has been awarded a new contract by Petrobras for a firm period of six years for deepwater flexible pipelay offshore Brazil.
The contract which will commence in January 2007 and is valued at approximately $250 million, will be undertaken by the CS Pertinacia which will be on long-term charter to Stolt Offshore from mid 2006. At the start of the charter period the ship will be converted from her original cable lay configuration to enable her to transport and install up to 2,500 tonnes of flexible flowlines in water depths of up to 2000 meters. The investment in the ship conversion and in project specific equipment will be approximately $55 million.


  Related Products   

Introduction to Oil and Gas Joint Ventures

Fundamentals of Oil & Gas Accounting, 4th Edition

 
Philippe Lamoure, Vice President, South America Region, said, "Following the recent increase in the exploration and production budget for Petrobras, we are now seeing substantial growth in the pace of offshore construction in Brazil. This contract, which is evidence of this market growth, will increase our revenue from the South America region by some 30% without the need to increase our local cost structure." 

You can find more here.....

http://www.rigzone.com/news/company.asp?comp_id=402


Trying to connect some dot's.. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 09, 2009, 05:51:18 PM


I see Magnolia!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 05:51:36 PM
Cal Dive Receives OK to Close Asset Purchase Agreement with Stolt Offshore     
  Cal Dive International, Inc.      Tuesday, October 18, 2005 


Cal Dive International has received clearance from the Department of Justice to close the asset purchase agreement with Stolt Offshore, that was announced on April 12th. Under the terms of the clearance, Cal Dive will divest two diving support vessels and a portable saturation diving system from the combined asset package acquired through this transaction and the one closed with Torch Offshore on August 31st.

Martin Ferron, President, stated, "We are very pleased to now be able to fully implement our plan to form a new Shelf contracting subsidiary. This entity will have 28 vessels and two portable saturation diving systems to deploy in a strong marketplace, bolstered by additional subsea work created by Hurricane's Ivan, Katrina and Rita." 

Why would you need the DOJ approval?????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 09, 2009, 05:52:14 PM
::MonkeyEek::   Frank, too?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::        Copy & paste personnel on vacation? 

As Deetch yes

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    Sometimes it's just fine not to know these things.  Ignorance is bliss, they say.  You have a way of throwing little bits out there, though.  Nice delivery.    ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 09, 2009, 05:53:34 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52513.php

Google translation:

Principal Officer Hans Mos denies resignation
9 Feb, 2009, 15:25 (GMT -04:00)

  Email this article
  Print this article
 
ORANGE CITY - Principal Officer Hans Mos using local media know that his departure to the Netherlands next summer has nothing to do with the VNO affair. "Nonsense," Mos said the message in Trouw newspaper last Saturday, saying that he was away "by Justice Minister Rudy Croes.

According Mos is nothing. "I got a job last Monday offered only on Tuesday, the whole VNO-story to the top," said the head officer in a local newspaper. Mos did not personally respond to this newspaper because he was not happy with the coverage in Amigoe last Saturday. It was that he was fired. The departure of Prosecutor Kasper van der Schaft has nothing to do with the VNO-leak it. He leaves because there is an end to his contract term.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 09, 2009, 05:59:32 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52511.php

Google translation:

Aruba
OM admissible in fraud Landslab
9 Feb, 2009, 15:24 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The judge last week the defense's request to the Public Prosecutor (OM) inadmissible in the Landslab case, rejected. Moreover, the court for prosecution of the case against suspects YV and J.G. further. The pair is prime suspect in a million fraud at the Land Laboratory between 1997 and 2007. The case will Tuesday, February 17 to be treated.

The case has been several times, for various reasons, postponed. Attorney David Kock tried last week the case of non-admissible to explain. His argument is that the principal intentionally FOR A. in this fraud, who lives in Miami, not prosecuted. For the other defendants or prosecution Kock was a violation of the criminal trial and he therefore asked the court to the case inadmissible. According to the Prosecutor A. a suspect and decides whether a suspect or not prosecuted. It is, according to the officer, not that the OM does not want to prosecute the suspect. The officer also mentioned the desire that A. in the United States would be prosecuted. After the same treatment was stopped, the court decided that the OM has acted correctly and was the request of lawyer Kock rejected. After his request was rejected, Kock asked the court to postpone the proceedings so that a number of witnesses could hear. The court this time agreed with his request and decided the case until February 17 to make.

In this vast fraud, the suspects are at the Land Laboratory, guilty of repeated and intentional malversation of money, and whether the admission by third parties and that this complicity. Moreover, they repeatedly accused of making false purchase orders, purchase orders, invoices and quotations, and the forging of these.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 09, 2009, 06:04:58 PM


I see Magnolia!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::

Hey Ya'll,
Islandmonkey has done a great job!  I take no credit whatsoever.
I bet ya'll thought I had gone off to knit for the dark side.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 09, 2009, 06:11:49 PM


I see Magnolia!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::

Hey Ya'll,
Islandmonkey has done a great job!  I take no credit whatsoever.
I bet ya'll thought I had gone off to knit for the dark side.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  That is one thing I know will not happen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 09, 2009, 06:14:42 PM


I see Magnolia!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::

Hey Ya'll,
Islandmonkey has done a great job!  I take no credit whatsoever.
I bet ya'll thought I had gone off to knit for the dark side.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  That is one thing I know will not happen.

And that's the truth! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 09, 2009, 06:25:02 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52511.php

Google translation:

Aruba
OM admissible in fraud Landslab
9 Feb, 2009, 15:24 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The judge last week the defense's request to the Public Prosecutor (OM) inadmissible in the Landslab case, rejected. Moreover, the court for prosecution of the case against suspects YV and J.G. further. The pair is prime suspect in a million fraud at the Land Laboratory between 1997 and 2007. The case will Tuesday, February 17 to be treated.

The case has been several times, for various reasons, postponed. Attorney David Kock tried last week the case of non-admissible to explain. His argument is that the principal intentionally FOR A. in this fraud, who lives in Miami, not prosecuted. For the other defendants or prosecution Kock was a violation of the criminal trial and he therefore asked the court to the case inadmissible. According to the Prosecutor A. a suspect and decides whether a suspect or not prosecuted. It is, according to the officer, not that the OM does not want to prosecute the suspect. The officer also mentioned the desire that A. in the United States would be prosecuted. After the same treatment was stopped, the court decided that the OM has acted correctly and was the request of lawyer Kock rejected. After his request was rejected, Kock asked the court to postpone the proceedings so that a number of witnesses could hear. The court this time agreed with his request and decided the case until February 17 to make.

In this vast fraud, the suspects are at the Land Laboratory, guilty of repeated and intentional malversation of money, and whether the admission by third parties and that this complicity. Moreover, they repeatedly accused of making false purchase orders, purchase orders, invoices and quotations, and the forging of these.


I thought Booshi Wever  was involved in this and maybe Swaen??   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 09, 2009, 06:26:21 PM
http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

Papiamentu translation:

fiscal parent hans mos will bandona ministerio publico corte

monday, 09 february 2009 - 00:00 voorzitter of collega of procuradornan general of the netherlands, mr. h.n. brouwer, owing to ofrece monday ultimo 2 of feburary 2009 at fiscal parent of ministerio publico of aruba, mr. h.f. mos, the opcion for two funcion in ministerio publico. mr. mos will dicidi provided that todo caso first cu 1 of march venidero for one of the funcionnan here. cu the escogencia for one of the two funcionnan, sir mos will bandona ministerio publico of aruba the zomer here. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 09, 2009, 06:28:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52511.php

Google translation:

Aruba
OM admissible in fraud Landslab
9 Feb, 2009, 15:24 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The judge last week the defense's request to the Public Prosecutor (OM) inadmissible in the Landslab case, rejected. Moreover, the court for prosecution of the case against suspects YV and J.G. further. The pair is prime suspect in a million fraud at the Land Laboratory between 1997 and 2007. The case will Tuesday, February 17 to be treated.

The case has been several times, for various reasons, postponed. Attorney David Kock tried last week the case of non-admissible to explain. His argument is that the principal intentionally FOR A. in this fraud, who lives in Miami, not prosecuted. For the other defendants or prosecution Kock was a violation of the criminal trial and he therefore asked the court to the case inadmissible. According to the Prosecutor A. a suspect and decides whether a suspect or not prosecuted. It is, according to the officer, not that the OM does not want to prosecute the suspect. The officer also mentioned the desire that A. in the United States would be prosecuted. After the same treatment was stopped, the court decided that the OM has acted correctly and was the request of lawyer Kock rejected. After his request was rejected, Kock asked the court to postpone the proceedings so that a number of witnesses could hear. The court this time agreed with his request and decided the case until February 17 to make.

In this vast fraud, the suspects are at the Land Laboratory, guilty of repeated and intentional malversation of money, and whether the admission by third parties and that this complicity. Moreover, they repeatedly accused of making false purchase orders, purchase orders, invoices and quotations, and the forging of these.


I thought Booshi Wever  was involved in this and maybe Swaen??   ::MonkeyConfused::

JMO...They probably are.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 09, 2009, 06:36:51 PM
Cal Dive Closes First Phase of Asset Purchase with Stolt Offshore     
  Cal Dive International, Inc.      Wednesday, November 02, 2005   


Cal Dive International has closed a transaction to purchase the diving assets of Stolt Offshore that presently operate in the Gulf of Mexico. The assets include: seven diving support vessels, a portable saturation diving system, various general diving equipment and Louisiana operating bases at the Port of Iberia and Fourchon.

The separate purchases of the DB801 and Kestrel will be closed when those assets complete their present work campaigns in Trinidadian waters. The total transaction value for all of the assets will be approximately $123 million. 



Stolt Offshore Wins 6-Year Pipelay Contract from Petrobras     
  Stolt Offshore      Friday, November 18, 2005  


Stolt Offshore has been awarded a new contract by Petrobras for a firm period of six years for deepwater flexible pipelay offshore Brazil.
The contract which will commence in January 2007 and is valued at approximately $250 million, will be undertaken by the CS Pertinacia which will be on long-term charter to Stolt Offshore from mid 2006. At the start of the charter period the ship will be converted from her original cable lay configuration to enable her to transport and install up to 2,500 tonnes of flexible flowlines in water depths of up to 2000 meters. The investment in the ship conversion and in project specific equipment will be approximately $55 million.


  Related Products   

Introduction to Oil and Gas Joint Ventures

Fundamentals of Oil & Gas Accounting, 4th Edition

 
Philippe Lamoure, Vice President, South America Region, said, "Following the recent increase in the exploration and production budget for Petrobras, we are now seeing substantial growth in the pace of offshore construction in Brazil. This contract, which is evidence of this market growth, will increase our revenue from the South America region by some 30% without the need to increase our local cost structure." 

You can find more here.....

http://www.rigzone.com/news/company.asp?comp_id=402


OFFSHORE  to Cal Dive to Stolt Offshore to Petrobras, which is a big OIL contract.

Ain't that interesting folks.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 09, 2009, 06:38:03 PM


I see Magnolia!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::

Hey Ya'll,
Islandmonkey has done a great job!  I take no credit whatsoever.
I bet ya'll thought I had gone off to knit for the dark side.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You can't find goat wool in the dark side.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 09, 2009, 06:39:03 PM
Kermit -

Thanks for your expertise. Much appreciated.

BUCKSHOT

I take no credit. You guys are amazing.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 06:44:28 PM
Cal Dive Closes First Phase of Asset Purchase with Stolt Offshore     
  Cal Dive International, Inc.      Wednesday, November 02, 2005   


Cal Dive International has closed a transaction to purchase the diving assets of Stolt Offshore that presently operate in the Gulf of Mexico. The assets include: seven diving support vessels, a portable saturation diving system, various general diving equipment and Louisiana operating bases at the Port of Iberia and Fourchon.

The separate purchases of the DB801 and Kestrel will be closed when those assets complete their present work campaigns in Trinidadian waters. The total transaction value for all of the assets will be approximately $123 million. 



Stolt Offshore Wins 6-Year Pipelay Contract from Petrobras     
  Stolt Offshore      Friday, November 18, 2005  


Stolt Offshore has been awarded a new contract by Petrobras for a firm period of six years for deepwater flexible pipelay offshore Brazil.
The contract which will commence in January 2007 and is valued at approximately $250 million, will be undertaken by the CS Pertinacia which will be on long-term charter to Stolt Offshore from mid 2006. At the start of the charter period the ship will be converted from her original cable lay configuration to enable her to transport and install up to 2,500 tonnes of flexible flowlines in water depths of up to 2000 meters. The investment in the ship conversion and in project specific equipment will be approximately $55 million.


  Related Products   

Introduction to Oil and Gas Joint Ventures

Fundamentals of Oil & Gas Accounting, 4th Edition

 
Philippe Lamoure, Vice President, South America Region, said, "Following the recent increase in the exploration and production budget for Petrobras, we are now seeing substantial growth in the pace of offshore construction in Brazil. This contract, which is evidence of this market growth, will increase our revenue from the South America region by some 30% without the need to increase our local cost structure." 

You can find more here.....

http://www.rigzone.com/news/company.asp?comp_id=402


OFFSHORE  to Cal Dive to Stolt Offshore to Petrobras, which is a big OIL contract.

Ain't that interesting folks.



Is that the sequence, Kermit?  In that order?   This article was from 2005, but I thought the Offshore to CalDive was more recent.    ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 06:47:55 PM
Cal Dive Closes First Phase of Asset Purchase with Stolt Offshore     
  Cal Dive International, Inc.      Wednesday, November 02, 2005   


Cal Dive International has closed a transaction to purchase the diving assets of Stolt Offshore that presently operate in the Gulf of Mexico. The assets include: seven diving support vessels, a portable saturation diving system, various general diving equipment and Louisiana operating bases at the Port of Iberia and Fourchon.

The separate purchases of the DB801 and Kestrel will be closed when those assets complete their present work campaigns in Trinidadian waters. The total transaction value for all of the assets will be approximately $123 million. 



Stolt Offshore Wins 6-Year Pipelay Contract from Petrobras     
  Stolt Offshore      Friday, November 18, 2005  


Stolt Offshore has been awarded a new contract by Petrobras for a firm period of six years for deepwater flexible pipelay offshore Brazil.
The contract which will commence in January 2007 and is valued at approximately $250 million, will be undertaken by the CS Pertinacia which will be on long-term charter to Stolt Offshore from mid 2006. At the start of the charter period the ship will be converted from her original cable lay configuration to enable her to transport and install up to 2,500 tonnes of flexible flowlines in water depths of up to 2000 meters. The investment in the ship conversion and in project specific equipment will be approximately $55 million.


  Related Products   

Introduction to Oil and Gas Joint Ventures

Fundamentals of Oil & Gas Accounting, 4th Edition

 
Philippe Lamoure, Vice President, South America Region, said, "Following the recent increase in the exploration and production budget for Petrobras, we are now seeing substantial growth in the pace of offshore construction in Brazil. This contract, which is evidence of this market growth, will increase our revenue from the South America region by some 30% without the need to increase our local cost structure." 

You can find more here.....

http://www.rigzone.com/news/company.asp?comp_id=402


OFFSHORE  to Cal Dive to Stolt Offshore to Petrobras, which is a big OIL contract.

Ain't that interesting folks.



It is interesting Kermit.Where is Petrobras based in comparison to Petroleo's?Seems Petrobras, if based in Brazil,would have had a connection to Schaefer and Superior Offshore if they were already down in Trinidad & Tobago.Wouldn't we be looking for a connection to Venezuela,and or Colombia???Just thoughts...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 06:48:26 PM
Oh, but CalDive & Superior Offshore had ties all along....I think I get it.      :smt115 :smt073


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 09, 2009, 06:52:56 PM
Oh, but CalDive & Superior Offshore had ties all along....I think I get it.      :smt115 :smt073
I think I'm following! Great work!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 06:57:18 PM
Oh, but CalDive & Superior Offshore had ties all along....I think I get it.      :smt115 :smt073

I'm starting to confuse myself! ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 07:01:21 PM
Oh, but CalDive & Superior Offshore had ties all along....I think I get it.      :smt115 :smt073

I'm starting to confuse myself! ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't mind the company.   ::MonkeyHaHa::     All of these companies are interwoven due to the line of business, projects & associates, it seems.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 09, 2009, 07:03:48 PM
Oh, but CalDive & Superior Offshore had ties all along....I think I get it.      :smt115 :smt073
I think I'm following! Great work!!!

Man you are on fire today Wreck.............   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 09, 2009, 07:04:27 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52511.php

Google translation:

Aruba
OM admissible in fraud Landslab
9 Feb, 2009, 15:24 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The judge last week the defense's request to the Public Prosecutor (OM) inadmissible in the Landslab case, rejected. Moreover, the court for prosecution of the case against suspects YV and J.G. further. The pair is prime suspect in a million fraud at the Land Laboratory between 1997 and 2007. The case will Tuesday, February 17 to be treated.

The case has been several times, for various reasons, postponed. Attorney David Kock tried last week the case of non-admissible to explain. His argument is that the principal intentionally FOR A. in this fraud, who lives in Miami, not prosecuted. For the other defendants or prosecution Kock was a violation of the criminal trial and he therefore asked the court to the case inadmissible. According to the Prosecutor A. a suspect and decides whether a suspect or not prosecuted. It is, according to the officer, not that the OM does not want to prosecute the suspect. The officer also mentioned the desire that A. in the United States would be prosecuted. After the same treatment was stopped, the court decided that the OM has acted correctly and was the request of lawyer Kock rejected. After his request was rejected, Kock asked the court to postpone the proceedings so that a number of witnesses could hear. The court this time agreed with his request and decided the case until February 17 to make.

In this vast fraud, the suspects are at the Land Laboratory, guilty of repeated and intentional malversation of money, and whether the admission by third parties and that this complicity. Moreover, they repeatedly accused of making false purchase orders, purchase orders, invoices and quotations, and the forging of these.


I thought Booshi Wever  was involved in this and maybe Swaen??   ::MonkeyConfused::

Reply #1020 on: April 25, 2008, 11:58:53 PM »Caps



Im the Labroratory Gate, Nelson Oduber Declares on TV and in Papers that he doesn't know Maikito Farro, But in 2005 it was at Maikito farro that the Gabinet Oduber was formed. It was on the Dinner Table that all that where there agreed on who will be in the Gabinet. Strange how Oduber can not remember that historical night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 07:09:46 PM


I see Magnolia!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::

Hey Ya'll,
Islandmonkey has done a great job!  I take no credit whatsoever.
I bet ya'll thought I had gone off to knit for the dark side.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey Magnolia~ I've been looking for you.......good choice there tossing out CalDrive ::MonkeyDance:: My eyes  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: when I got into the information....... you deserve ALL the credit, I'd never even thought about CalDrive.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 09, 2009, 07:22:58 PM
Some points I've high-lighted that I can't really say that I knew:

http://www.iberianet.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/news/news00.txt

From here to Aruba

BY JEFF MOORE, THE DAILY IBERIAN
Published/Last Modified on Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:37 PM CST
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An expedition to search the waters off Aruba for the remains of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway leaves today from the Port of Iberia.

The research vessel Persistence, owned by the Lafayette-based Silvetti Group, will make the 10-day journey to the island. A 20- to 25-man crew will spend at least two weeks surveying the sea floor for Holloway, who has been missing since May 30, 2005.

Holloway, 18, was last seen leaving a bar with three men hours before she was scheduled to fly home with high school classmates celebrating their graduation.

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Last week, police re-arrested the three men, prompting her father to re-launch the search in deep waters.

John Silvetti said his company became involved in the search after he was contacted by Louis Schaefer, chairman of Superior Offshore International. Schaefer had been approached by Texas Equusearch, a non-profit organization that has been searching for Holloway for more than two years.

Schaefer asked Silvetti if he could provide the survey personnel and the geophysical equipment required for the search. After spending a weekend with Schaefer and Pam and Dave Holloway, Silvetti agreed.

“It ripped my heart out to hear them say that right now all they’re looking for is to have a funeral in Alabama,” Silvetti said. “What do you say to someone like that?”

Silvetti agreed to provide his equipment and primary survey vessel at well below cost, with Schaefer covering all out-of-pocket expenses. Silvetti said his staff volunteered its services for the project as well.

“They said ‘You don’t even have to pay me. I just want to help,’” Silvetti said. “That just tells me we’ve got the right people on board.”

Marc Broussard, project manager for the Silvetti Group, said the company normally performs surveys looking for oil rigs and downed helicopters. Now, it will be using its high-resolution SONAR equipment to look for a body.

To upgrade its systems for the terrain in Aruba, Broussard said the Silvetti Group looked to its vendors, two of which are based in New Iberia.

Seatronics, located at the Port of Iberia, agreed to donate some of its high-tech electronic equipment to scan the ocean floor.

“I told (Silvetti) any opportunity that we had to go in on such a good cause, we would go in on it,” said Erik McGuire, vice president of Seatronics Inc.

“We’re more than happy to give the best effort possible to recover this girl for her family.”

Pro Log Inc. also stepped forth to provide a command center building where all of the surveying equipment will be stored. Like many people around the country, Pro Log Human Resources Director Heidi Parker said she has been following Holloway’s disappearance closely.

“We’re a family-owned business, so family is very important to us,” Parker said. “Anything we can do to help this family out is something that we’re going to do.”

After more than two years of searching, Texas Equusearch office manager Cheryl Lawless said she is hoping the organization’s fifth trip to Aruba will be its last. She said the venture would not be possible without the help of Schaefer, Silvetti and the other local companies.

Nothing is being done to gain name recognition. This is to help these people,” Silvetti said. “Most of us have watched this on television, and I can only imagine the horror any parent would go through searching for their child in a foreign country.”


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 09, 2009, 07:34:10 PM
This is from Forensic Thoughprints:

Kyle wasn't the only person interpreting data from the ROV, note geologist Rob Floyce and Brandon Hernandez of the ROV team.  Wonder what they would have to say about the goings on on that ship?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html:

December 19

On the next morning (December 19), I boarded The Persistence along with Louis Schaffer and Tim Miller and remained aboard for the next 24 hours as they continued to scan the ocean floor. The staff was impressive—capable, bright, and extremely motivated. They worked virtually through the entire night. Clearly this was going to be one quality search effort.

I can't say enough good things about the crew, people like geologists Kyle Kingman and Rob Floyce who interpreted the data along with Brandon Hernandez of the ROV team.

We had several interesting discussions both on deck and in the relatively small galley. At one point, the boat-owner, Capt. John Silvetti (of the J.D. Silvetti Group), expressed his frustration about the lack of an exact description of the missing "crab cage" in which Natalee was likely enclosed. He'd been requesting one for several weeks, and Louis had expressed the identical frustration to me earlier.

From the best reports he could obtain, Tim had determined an approximate cage size. The search team commissioned the construction of a model cage and planned to drop it underwater to obtain as accurate a scan signature as possible to enable quicker identification of the actual cage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 09, 2009, 07:40:52 PM
Cal Dive Closes First Phase of Asset Purchase with Stolt Offshore     
  Cal Dive International, Inc.      Wednesday, November 02, 2005   


Cal Dive International has closed a transaction to purchase the diving assets of Stolt Offshore that presently operate in the Gulf of Mexico. The assets include: seven diving support vessels, a portable saturation diving system, various general diving equipment and Louisiana operating bases at the Port of Iberia and Fourchon.

The separate purchases of the DB801 and Kestrel will be closed when those assets complete their present work campaigns in Trinidadian waters. The total transaction value for all of the assets will be approximately $123 million. 



Stolt Offshore Wins 6-Year Pipelay Contract from Petrobras     
  Stolt Offshore      Friday, November 18, 2005  


Stolt Offshore has been awarded a new contract by Petrobras for a firm period of six years for deepwater flexible pipelay offshore Brazil.
The contract which will commence in January 2007 and is valued at approximately $250 million, will be undertaken by the CS Pertinacia which will be on long-term charter to Stolt Offshore from mid 2006. At the start of the charter period the ship will be converted from her original cable lay configuration to enable her to transport and install up to 2,500 tonnes of flexible flowlines in water depths of up to 2000 meters. The investment in the ship conversion and in project specific equipment will be approximately $55 million.


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Philippe Lamoure, Vice President, South America Region, said, "Following the recent increase in the exploration and production budget for Petrobras, we are now seeing substantial growth in the pace of offshore construction in Brazil. This contract, which is evidence of this market growth, will increase our revenue from the South America region by some 30% without the need to increase our local cost structure." 

You can find more here.....

http://www.rigzone.com/news/company.asp?comp_id=402


OFFSHORE  to Cal Dive to Stolt Offshore to Petrobras, which is a big OIL contract.

Ain't that interesting folks.





And this is the same company that at one time submitted Letter of Intent to purchase the refinery in Aruba that now belongs to Valreo?

I would assume it was the drop in the price of oil that brought that to a halt but do think it remains the best prospect for the purchase of the refinery.

Would a pipeline be laid to connect Petrobras to the refinery in the event the purchase goes through?  Was one anticipated at the time the offer was made? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 09, 2009, 07:45:07 PM
Does anyone have the date of the Letter of Intent from Petrobras to Valero?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 07:57:27 PM
Does anyone have the date of the Letter of Intent from Petrobras to Valero?



The news of Petrobras' interest in the Valero refinery in Aruba hit the press on 4/15/08.  Not sure about the letter of intent.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 09, 2009, 07:59:14 PM
Brazil's energy producer Petrobras on $112.7 billion expansion news 
 
12 May 2008 
 
 
Petroleo Brasileiro SA, or Petrobras, as it's better known, Brazil's state-controlled oil producer, is on a $112.7 billion expansion spree, which may allow Brazil to overtake the output of all OPEC members except Saudi Arabia.

It plans to acquire refineries that may make the company the world's third-largest seller of gasoline and diesel. Additionally, it plans to add 14,000 engineers, geologists and drillers within three years. And finally, it is close to issuing letters of intent for as many as 17 new offshore drilling rigs. Letters of intent are preliminary agreements issued before a final contract is awarded.

A major reason behind this mammoth expansion is the discovery of major oil fields in recent times. The Tupi oil field, in the Santos Basin, is estimated to have a volume of approximately 5 billion to 8 billion barrels, and was discovered in November last year. These estimates catapulted Tupi to the position of the world's largest new oil source since Kashagan in Kazakhstan in 2000. However, Brazil's good fortunes didn't end there.

On 21 January this year, Petrobras announced the discovery of Jupiter, a huge oil field that could equal the Tupi oil field in size. It is located 37 km from Tupi, 5,100 metres below the Atlantic Ocean and around 290 km from Rio de Janeiro. But the biggest fin was yet to come.
 
On 14 April, the director general of Brazil's National Petroleum, Natural Gas and Biofuel Agency (ANP), Haroldo Lima, announced that Petrobras discovered a "mega field" of oil and gas at the Santos Basin, in the southeastern Brazilian Coast.


According to Lima, the Carioca field is located near the Tupi field discovered last year. He stated that the new field contains reserves estimated at 33 billion barrels of oil equivalent (petroleum and petroleum gases). This would make it the third largest oil field in the world, with reserves expected to last a century and a half.

As a result of these huge finds, Petrobras is looking to expand its infrastructure to meet processing requirements. This week, investment bank UBS estimated that the Tupi and Carioca finds off Brazil would need about $600 billion to develop, a massive windfall for oilfield services companies all over the world.

CEO Jose Sergio Gabrielli said that the board of directors would be meeting on Tuesday to discuss buying a Valero Energy Corp. plant in Aruba that would boost refining capacity by 14 per cent. He added that the company is also looking for more purchases.

The Aruba plant can process 275,000 barrels of oil a day and includes two delayed coking units, which handle heavy crude similar to the grades in Brazil's offshore deposits. Valero had acquired the plant four years ago for $627 million.

The offshore fields underpin Gabrielli's plan to increase output 79 per cent by 2015 to the equivalent of 4.2 million barrels of oil. If the company maintains its current proportion of crude and natural-gas production, it will have about 3.5 million barrels of oil a day to refine.

Petrobras owns stakes in 18 refineries that process about 2 million barrels of oil a day, or 85 per cent of current output. Comparatively, its two largest competitors, Exxon Mobil and Shell process around 5.6 million barrels and 3.8 million barrels of crude a day.

Petrobras also plans to expand its workforce 23 per cent to about 74,000 to cope with the increased workload. Again, as a comparison, Exxon and Shell have 80,000 and 75,000 employees on their roles respectively.

The company intends to recruit all of its new employees from Brazilian universities and technical schools, said Gabrielli. Petrobras is the company of choice for Brazilian university graduates because it offers training and ''lifetime careers,'' said Guilherme Estrella, who heads the company's exploration and production business. ''That's our tradition at Petrobras, so we have a very good image,'' he told reporters yesterday at an industry conference in Houston.


 
http://www.domain-b.com/industry/oil_gas/20080512_energy.html



Guess Brazil is where it's at for the future of oil production.


.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 09, 2009, 10:15:34 PM
Oh, but CalDive & Superior Offshore had ties all along....I think I get it.      :smt115 :smt073

I was reading back and found these from ya'lls research.

(http://www.jdsilvetti.com/travis.jpg)
Travis Detke, General Manager of Diving
Cal-Dive International

"I'm enthusiastic about growing this tournament as a means
of supporting the children of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital."

Although Travis was unable to participate this year in the
committee, we thank him for having been such a crucial
part of the success in 2007.

Travis, pronounced Trã-vis, has over 30 years of experience
in the diving and offshore construction industry. We wish
him, his wife and their children the best in their new life in Houston.

http://www.jdsilvetti.com/committee08.html
Credit to Blue Moon for posting this information: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.760

(http://www.jdsilvetti.com/images/07links/Buck%20and%20Rick%20Pics.JPG)
Credit to 2NJSons_Mom for posting this information: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.780

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Screenshot credit Blonde from: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.840
Yes it was taken from Dateline Video
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23302471#23302471

HANS MOS aboard the RV PERSISTENCE





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 10:19:19 PM
I'm sure that the refinery is going to be sold before January of 2011, because then the tax holiday this refinery enjoys in Aruba expires. That gives Valero some 2.5 years to finalize the sale.

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/valero-refinery-30591/index2.html


This is off of a forum but thought it interesting.Kermit.Do you know what the benefits would be in terms of when to sell and not to sell Valero in terms of Taxes?Seems this person understands...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 09, 2009, 10:19:49 PM
Kyle posted: FEB 12 We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey for a much needed break. I've been on the Persistence in Aruba since the 15th of December and will be back on board in about a week amid ROV dives. Things have only just begun to get interesting. We'll likely require a film crew on board for most of the remaining work, so once aired you'll have a lot more information.

Remember, he flew back to the U.S. to "strike a deal" with the networks.


April 3, 2008 -Posted at BFN
I feel the sites are as safe as they can be. All survey data that was collected, other than what was shared with the authorities, is in our possesion. No data has yet to be released, especially target data......locations






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 09, 2009, 10:24:37 PM
I'm sure that the refinery is going to be sold before January of 2011, because then the tax holiday this refinery enjoys in Aruba expires. That gives Valero some 2.5 years to finalize the sale.

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/valero-refinery-30591/index2.html


This is off of a forum but thought it interesting.Kermit.Do you know what the benefits would be in terms of when to sell and not to sell Valero in terms of Taxes?Seems this person understands...


There was an agreement signed not that long ago about taxes to try to eliminate or control the tax evasions between Aruba and the U.S. as I recall. However, there is certainly a way around it if your company is American and you merge with another company in another country then your tax liabilities change. I mean that was one of the platforms that McCain's used - American business are moving to other countries so they pay a lot less taxes and he was going to stop that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 10:26:59 PM
Valero sells refinery in second quarter
Monday, March 31, 2008 http://www.amigoe.com/english/
The refinery of Valero in Aruba does no longer fit in the industrial strategy and will be sold in the second quarter of this year.

ORANJESTAD -- Valero Energy Corporation sells the refinery in San Nicolas in the second quarter of this year, confirmed the spokesperson of the biggest American oil-distiller Valero, Bill Day today. It already leaked out earlier that ‘a mainline agreement’ was signed with the Brazilian semi-government company Petrobras.

Day says that the refinery in Aruba does no longer fit in the industrial plan of Valero. “It’s not so that we throw out the foreign establishments. We are also closing an American plant. But with our new strategy, we focus on refineries that are ’big and complex’, and plants that are located on water.” It is not strange that Valero is selling plant, just now that the oil prices are high. “We mark out our market to become stronger. Besides, selling these refineries will yield us a lot of money.”

Valero’s top executive Bill Klesse told American journalists right before the weekend: “Aruba’s number is up, I believe. We have a buyer and everything fits perfect in our plan.” Amigoe learned in December already from very reliable sources that the take-over purchase by Petrobras is a done deal. There was no longer a joint venture – a cooperation agreement – between Valero and Petrobras and the entire refinery is sold. For that matter, the American media reported that the Swiss company Petroplus Holdings AG is also a potential buyer.

What this take-over purchase is going to mean for the employment and the development of the earnings of the employees of the refinery is therefore not clear yet. Neither is known yet whether conditions are going to be attached to the environmental performance of the company, or which products Petrobras is going to refine and for which market.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said late last year that the government will state conditions to new buyers. “They must guarantee that they won’t force any dismissals; that the new owner will invest at least 1.5 milliard dollars in the refinery, so that it also produces white products, like gasoline.” The refinery in San Nicolas only produces diesel at this moment, and because of this, there is no chance to fall back on the production of gasoline when the market for diesel diminishes.

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/valero-refinery-30591/index2.html


So what happened to the deal?Anyone know?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 10:28:32 PM
I'm sure that the refinery is going to be sold before January of 2011, because then the tax holiday this refinery enjoys in Aruba expires. That gives Valero some 2.5 years to finalize the sale.

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/valero-refinery-30591/index2.html


This is off of a forum but thought it interesting.Kermit.Do you know what the benefits would be in terms of when to sell and not to sell Valero in terms of Taxes?Seems this person understands...


There was an agreement signed not that long ago about taxes to try to eliminate or control the tax evasions between Aruba and the U.S. as I recall. However, there is certainly a way around it if your company is American and you merge with another company in another country then your tax liabilities change. I mean that was one of the platforms that McCain's used - American business are moving to other countries so they pay a lot less taxes and he was going to stop that.


Won't it be difficult to get Aroil Trading partners into this mix Kermit?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 09, 2009, 10:29:31 PM
2/10/2009 Awe Mainta Page 21

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Google translation:

Justice Aruba lies in its hole MUSTARD AFTER THE MEAL

Following the last very bad developments justice field in Aruba can anyone with only a little sense and a intelligence level of basic school, the conclusion that JUDICIAL the device known When it comes to actually his hole is.  

It is also proved that after most recent visit PG Brewers on Aruba, 3 a 4 suddenly the senior field had to overcome while OM kamt with a huge staff shortages; Ra Ra Ra how could that be?  

You have to let you use or abuse many Arubans note this and not to grieve Your sudden departure sir Mosje.

Aruba is now a Iraq what little justice enforcement , and especially after the very bad case of not just one where the people in the generally very clearly faced with the policy of the OM not equal monks with unequal logging.  

To not even talk about the Natalee Holloway case.   In the early 90 we also had the same situation He was known as that person not just someone, self Minister of Justice and his right PG Jan Zwinkels which was also also urgently needed in all leave after a disastrous policy implications of this.

Hirsh Ballin, Brinkman, Ank Bijleveld Balkenende and screaming miles distant from the cold Aruba to small and accomplices for all those blunders still every day in Aruba take place, I think the boosdoenaar a great name and that is: the Netherlands motherland.  

You afford every day back again and again that this is not may be possible, where wait
Come on you guys?  

Interfere in Suriname and Iraq and god knows what else is your primary task and responsibility, while this sort should be made and prosperity. Everyone goes back to Netherlands and now the guests of OM? When those extradited to America for all the blunders they caused and now with the levant leave.  

I think that after 7 months advocate for justice in a case of a juvenile who still need to study in the abroad but still brightness can not get to a fair and professional investigation where agents guilty to threats, falsification, concealment accurate evidence and the OM in Aruba or judicial silent power for the second times since 2006 has same victim a number of
days for nothing in the tank chairs.  

Brinkman you and your Dutch drivers screaming hard and do nothing? We can but we also prefer to see a healthy policy effective results.

One thing I must do the same give Mr. Brinkman and that is, Jorg himself to given that a lot is Aruba and now shows that it is as always, and perhaps become worse after the departure of Jorg.  

I stay with very friendly greetings, and long live our Queen,

Michael Williams
mac2902@hotmail.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 09, 2009, 10:31:37 PM
    The following is an excerpt from a S-1 SEC Filing, filed by SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNA ... on 8/11/2006
     
    From page 2
    We have grown our business by expanding our fleet to capitalize on strong market
    conditions in our core market and intend to expand our operations into the
    deepwater Gulf of Mexico as well as select international markets. We placed
    three vessels in service in the first half of 2006 and expect to place two
    additional vessels in service by the end of 2006 following upgrades and
    refurbishments. In addition, we have agreed to purchase a newbuild work class
    remotely operated vehicle, or ROV, and to lease a second newbuild work class ROV
    under an agreement that grants to us an option to buy that ROV. These ROVs will
    be used in place of diving personnel to provide services in water depths up to
    10,000 feet. We expect to place these ROVs in service in the first quarter of
    2007. We have also scheduled upgrades to the Superior Endeavour, including the
    installation of a 70-ton heave-compensated crane and other equipment, that wi ll
    allow the vessel to provide deepwater subsea construction support. These ROVs
    and the upgrades to the Superior Endeavour will enable us to provide services in
    water depths up to 10,000 feet, operate in a broader range of regions and expand
    the breadth of services we offer.
    From page 4
    Increasing deepwater activity. Crude oil and natural gas producers are
    increasingly focusing t
heir efforts on more remote deepwater areas
    where geological formations have historically been less explored.
    Driven by technological innovations and an improved commodity price
    environment, deepwater activity has increased significantly in recent
    years. According to Douglas-Westwood Ltd., global spending in water
    depths greater than 500 meters has increased from $8.6 billion in 2002
    to $14.7 billion in 2005, representing a compound annual growth rate
    of 19.6%, and is projected to grow by a compound annual growth rate of
    9.2% from 2005 through 2010, reaching $22.8 billion in 2010.
     
     
    From page 4
    Rising international offshore activity. Many crude oil and natural gas
    producers have significant operations in international offshore
    regions with large untapped reserves, such as Southeast Asia, West
    Africa and the Middle East. In many international markets, significant
    ---------------
First Quarter 2007 Results
HOUSTON, May 17, 2007 - Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP),
a leading provider of subsea construction and commercial diving services on the
outer continental shelf of the Gulf of Mexico, today announced operating results
for the quarter ended March 31, 2007.
<snip>
it said they were pursuing their strategy of expanding into the deep water of the
Gulf and into additional international markets which once again says it was not
a haphazard move to start these
and we are pursuing our strategy of expanding into the deepwater of the Gulf and into
additional international markets, as demonstrated by our significant new project
in Trinidad. We are positioning the Company for growth through the construction
of the Superior Achiever
 
 
should be on page 23 on top
of the page
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008325_o01c_08400.pdf
 

It appears that John Sivetti Company owns a smaller boat
http://www.jdsilvetti.com/sms.html

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1562/jdavid2hf7.jpg)


Sonsub recently announced it has completed work on PetroCom's FiberWeb system in the Gulf of Mexico. Sonsub worked on about 30 pipeline crossings for the project in water depths up to 700-ft. The company installed concrete mattresses to protect the fiber optic cable crossings over pipelines. The company also performed pipeline location and cable inspection for the project.

 Sonsub used a complete marine installation offshore spread consisting of its 100 hp Scorpion 24 ROV system, the Midnight Arrow, new build ROV vessel from Torch and surface and acoustic positioning services from J.D. Silvetti. Sonsub also provided cable maintenance services. FiberWeb is a project to provide high-bandwidth communication capability to fixed platforms in the Gulf. BP partners with CiDRA

In an unrelated announcement, BP has partnered with CiDRA Corp. for the provision of consulting services to integrate fiber optics into deepwater and other developments.

The goal is to undertake the development of new fiber optic products, enhance the capabilities of existing technologies, and integrate multiple, optical technologies for specific applications. Under the agreement, CiDRA will also provide fiber optic monitoring systems. Paul Martins, BP's Head of Well Performance Worldwide, said he sees CiDRA as a leader in a technology that will play a key strategic role in future field developments. He said the partnership was a starting point for routinely integrating fiber optics into well construction.
http://www.offshore-mag.com/display_article/83853/120/ARTCL/none/none/2/Subsea/Surface-Systems/

Superior Offshore International narrows Q3 profit, sinks to 52-week low

Alex Alexandrov  |  Nov 16, 2007 12:36pm EST  |  User Rating N/A

Shares of Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP) have submerged to a new 52-week low on news after the close on Thursday that provider of subsea construction and commercial diving services narrowed its third-quarter profit.

Net income for the three months ended Sept. 30 was $3.6 million, or $0.14 per share, compared with a net income of $13.7 million, or $0.92 per share, a year earlier. Six analysts polled by Thomson Financial were expecting earnings of $0.30 per share.

The Houston-based company reported that revenues increased 17.2% to $75.5 million, beating Wall Street’s projections of $61.02 million. Revenues in the third quarter of 2006 were $64.4 million.

“During the third quarter of 2007, we realized improved vessel utilization as compared with the first half of the year,” said president and CEO James Mermis in a statement. “All of our dynamically positioned vessels are currently under hire, except for [one], which is in dry dock until early December 2007.”

However, Superior Offshore had to temporarily dry-dock two vessels during the third-quarter, a move which negatively affected its earnings. The company also attributed the profit decline to softening demand for call-out diving services.

Three of Superior Offshore’s vessels are currently involved with British Petroleum’s gas procession platform off the coast of the Caribbean country Trinidad & Tobago. Work on the project is expected to wrap up by the end of 2007.

The third-quarter also saw the company purchase Ocean Flow International, LLC, a subsea engineering and project management firm, for about $15 million. The stock-for-stock transaction is expected to close by the end of November, Superior Offshore said.

At 12:31 p.m. ET, shares of Superior Offshore International (DEEP) had sunk $1.44, or 17%, to $7.16. The previous 52-week low of $8.10 was established on Nov. 15, while the 52-week high of $19.58 was set on May 4.
http://www.smallcapinvestor.com/articles/11162007-superior_offshore_international_narrows_q3_profit_sinks_to_52week_low

FROM THE OFFSHORE VESSESLS:
* The Seamec III, a DP II saturation DSV, is on hire in Trinidad and experienced nearly full utilization during the third quarter. The Company is currently marketing her in Trinidad and is seeking opportunities to keep her utilized in the area after completion of the BP project;

British Petroleum:

Robert (Bob) Malone is BP's chief representative in the United States. He is based in Houston, Texas........... where BP business units are involved in oil and natural gas exploration and production, refining, chemicals, supply and trading, pipeline operations.




At this link: PROJECTS: they are connected on same project:
Superior Offshore, Mat Installation
( MARKEY Model DES-26 )
5,000 water depth

British Petroleum, Marlin Umbilical, and Flow Line
( LUCKER Model 1500 Linear Winch, MARKEY Model DES-26 )
Landed Umbilical and Flow lines to TLP.
3200’ water depth

http://www.thecrossgroup.com/project.aspx



"British Petroleum is a world leader in offshore exploration and development.
http://gov.ns.ca/news/details.asp?id=20001102001


Natural gas pipeline update.(ANGUILLA; ANTIGUA & BARBUDA; ARUBA; BAHAMAS)(Brief Article)
Caribbean Update,  July, 2003 

The U.S. Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved AES Corp's request to take up to three years to build its US$440 million Ocean Express pipeline, which would ship natural gas from the Bahamas to southeastern Florida, reports Reuters (June 4, 2003):

Under FERC's preliminary approval order issued in April for the 54-mile pipeline, which would transport up to 842 million cubic feet of natural gas a day, AES would have had two years to put the project into service once the agency gave its final final approval. FERC must still review the environmental impact of the pipeline before .
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb6634/is_200307/ai_n26492512


OFFSHORE
These projections for 2007 and 2008 constitute forward-looking statements and are subject to substantial risks and uncertainties. Actual future results could differ materially from these projections as a result of a number of factors, including, but not limited to, our ability to be selected for new projects, the availability of charter vessels on suitable terms, possible shipyard delays, project delays and adverse weather conditions in the Gulf of Mexico as well as other factors described in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Fleet Update:

    * The Superior Endeavour, a DP II saturation Dive Support Vessel ("DSV"), returned to service in September 2007 on a saturation diving project in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico and began generating revenues in October. It has committed work through December 2007;
    * The Gulmar Condor, a DP II saturation DSV, experienced nearly full utilization during the third quarter of 2007 while working in Trinidad. Installation of a saturation diving system and work-class remotely operated vehicle ("ROV") was completed during the quarter. This vessel has a deepwater heave-compensated crane and is currently being bid on projects that capitalize on synergies that will be provided by Ocean Flow in the deepwater market. She will enable Superior Offshore to secure the track record needed before final commissioning of the Superior Achiever;
    * The Seamec III, a DP II saturation DSV, is on hire in Trinidad and experienced nearly full utilization during the third quarter. The Company is currently marketing her in Trinidad and is seeking opportunities to keep her utilized in the area after completion of the BP project;
    * The Adams Surveyor, a DP II vessel, is currently providing deepwater ROV services in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico. This vessel experienced strong utilization during the third quarter, and the Company is negotiating for another ROV vessel to be chartered into the fleet;
    * The Gulmar Falcon, a DP II DSV, returned to service in October 2007 on a saturation diving project in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico and began generating revenues in November. She has committed work in the Gulf for the remainder of this year and will come up for re-charter in April 2008. Assuming utilization of its DP assets remains strong as anticipated, Superior Offshore will negotiate a renewal of her charter;
    * The Toisa Puma, a DP II vessel, is in drydock and has not generated any revenues to date. Superior Offshore is currently engaged in a dispute with the vessel's owner regarding the vessel's readiness for its intended use;
    * The Crossmar XIV, an anchored subsea construction barge, is currently on hire in Trinidad and based on weather could see utilization there through the end of this year. The Company is working with its partner, Crossmar, to secure additional work for the vessel, either in Trinidad or the Gulf of Mexico;
    * The Gulf Diver III, V and VI four-point surface diving vessels continued to experience low utilization and declining dayrates due to decreasing demand in the Gulf of Mexico. Superior Offshore is exploring the possibility of moving some of these vessels to locations outside of the Gulf of Mexico. The Company is currently considering several strategic alternatives for the Gulf Diver IV, including refurbishment or sale;
    * Construction of the Superior Achiever, a 430-foot DP III vessel, remains on schedule, with delivery expected in the second half of 2008.
http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=52921

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 09, 2009, 10:34:41 PM

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #597 on: November 20, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
Last year I missd Christmas, New Years, Valentines Day, Mothers Day, Her B-Day, and our anniversary.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.580

VALENTINES DAY is FEB 14th.
Kyle posted: FEB 12 We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 09, 2009, 10:36:01 PM
I'm sure that the refinery is going to be sold before January of 2011, because then the tax holiday this refinery enjoys in Aruba expires. That gives Valero some 2.5 years to finalize the sale.

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/valero-refinery-30591/index2.html


This is off of a forum but thought it interesting.Kermit.Do you know what the benefits would be in terms of when to sell and not to sell Valero in terms of Taxes?Seems this person understands...


There was an agreement signed not that long ago about taxes to try to eliminate or control the tax evasions between Aruba and the U.S. as I recall. However, there is certainly a way around it if your company is American and you merge with another company in another country then your tax liabilities change. I mean that was one of the platforms that McCain's used - American business are moving to other countries so they pay a lot less taxes and he was going to stop that.


Won't it be difficult to get Aroil Trading partners into this mix Kermit?

I don't know, but it is interesting isn't it.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 09, 2009, 10:36:49 PM
a couple of these pix are the same as Kyles site ??
which shows Kyle had worked for John before Natalee search, main one being the unsupported pipeline pix and destroyed oil rig
http://www.silvettigroup.com/DataExamples.html
http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 09, 2009, 10:48:21 PM
Valero sells refinery in second quarter
Monday, March 31, 2008 http://www.amigoe.com/english/
So what happened to the deal?Anyone know?

Yes, KTF, it fell through for some reason.

Valero seeking buyers for Aruba site
http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/local/27889674.html Posted: 09/05/2008 12:00 CDT
Vicki Vaughan - San Antonio Express-News

"Valero Energy Corp. said it will seek other buyers for its Aruba refinery in the Caribbean, as the sale of the plant has stalled, a company official told analysts Thursday.

The sale of the 275,000-barrel-a-day refinery in Aruba “is not dead, but it is at a lull,”
said Gene Edwards, executive vice president for business development, adding the company will start talking with other potential buyers.

Valero had said it hoped to sell the Aruba plant by the end of the second quarter. Petroleo Brasileiro SA, Brazil's state-controlled oil company, was said to be an interested buyer, Bloomberg News has reported.

Valero also has said it's looking to sell its plants in Memphis, Tenn., and in Ardmore, Okla. Interest in those plants has come from smaller companies. But because of an uncertain economy and a credit crunch, a sale of the two refineries “probably isn't going to go forward at this time,” Edwards said.

In remarks at the Lehman Brothers Energy/Power Conference, Valero CEO Bill Klesse said Valero is cutting capital expenditures this year and next.

Valero had said it would spend about $4.5 billion on capital expenditures this year, but now plans to spend $3.7 billion to $3.8 billion.

Next year, Valero, the nation's largest refiner, will spend about $4 billion, down from its planned expenditures of $4.5 billion to $5 billion.

The company has delayed a plan to produce paraxylene, which is used to make plastic fibers, at its St. Charles refinery near New Orleans. Valero hadn't set a timetable for paraxylene production.

It also will delay building a coker that can process heavy crude oils at its Port Arthur plant by one to two years. Valero now plans to bring the unit online closer to 2012 or 2013, when it expects to receive heavy Canadian crude oil from the Keystone pipeline. The pipeline, linking western Canada to terminals near Port Arthur, is being expanded to almost double its capacity.

As part of its long-term strategy, Valero continues to shift production toward fuels that are in demand globally, Klesse said.

In the near term, Valero will shift more production from gasoline to distillates, including diesel fuel. Margins for diesel fuel continue to be strong, he said, and the company will build units at St. Charles and Port Arthur to make more.

About 36 percent of Valero's product yield is now distillates and Klesse expects the total to rise to 40 percent in 2009. Key markets for Valero's distillates continue to be Australia, South America and Europe, he said.

“We continue to be very strong financially,” Klesse told analysts. The company had about $2 billion in cash in July and a credit line that it hasn't tapped.

“With these uncertain times in many of the financial markets,” he said, “we intend to hold more cash than we have in the past.”
Valero's stock fell $1.10 to $33.67 a share in a declining market Thursday. Its shares have lost more than half their value in the last year as its margins have been squeezed."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And I believe the last we heard, Valero was going to just allow the refinery to close down rather than invest any more money in it.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 09, 2009, 10:50:47 PM

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #597 on: November 20, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
Last year I missd Christmas, New Years, Valentines Day, Mothers Day, Her B-Day, and our anniversary.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.580

VALENTINES DAY is FEB 14th.
Kyle posted: FEB 12 We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey



I don't think Kyle has any sense of the truth.  POS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 11:04:01 PM
Hi San, Magnolia and Keepthefaith.

Janet
8:05 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 11:05:19 PM
Hi Anna, Magnolia, texasmom, San and Keepthefaith.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 11:07:28 PM
::cartwheel::

Frank is back !!!
 ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Frank ... Why???

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 09, 2009, 11:07:36 PM
And Always !


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 11:08:50 PM
Hi San, Magnolia and Keepthefaith.

Janet
8:05 PM PT

Good Evening Janet!Hope all is well up in the Fraser Valley.Lil Cold,as well as a touch of snow and ice down here..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 09, 2009, 11:09:48 PM
Hi Anna, Magnolia, texasmom, San and Keepthefaith.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Hi, Janet!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 11:10:07 PM
And Always !

... and A1!

Hey ... when did you pop in.

I hope you had a good day.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 09, 2009, 11:11:19 PM
And Always !

... and A1!

Hey ... when did you pop in.

I hope you had a good day.

Janet
I did Janet, hope you had a good one too!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 09, 2009, 11:13:07 PM
Is Wreck still on fire????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 09, 2009, 11:13:26 PM
Hi San, Magnolia and Keepthefaith.

Janet
8:05 PM PT

Hey Janet,
Have you finished your paper on the Kalpoe/McGraw case?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 11:18:18 PM
Hi San, Magnolia and Keepthefaith.

Janet
8:05 PM PT

Good Evening Janet!Hope all is well up in the Fraser Valley.Lil Cold,as well as a touch of snow and ice down here..

I think Seattle and the Fraser Valley have the same weather patterns.  It was sleet and hail all day.  Very damp and cold.  We just returned from the Upper Valley and ... I am so glad to be home ... of the freeway ... so safe and cozy.

Lots of great research contributed to the topic at hand in the past few days.  I hope this info is being  compiling in some type order ... an order that will clearly reveal the underlying motives  behind the Persistence endeavor.

Good Night Keepthefaith.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 11:22:26 PM
Hi San, Magnolia and Keepthefaith.

Janet
8:05 PM PT

Good Evening Janet!Hope all is well up in the Fraser Valley.Lil Cold,as well as a touch of snow and ice down here..

I think Seattle and the Fraser Valley have the same weather patterns.  It was sleet and hail all day.  Very damp and cold.  We just returned from the Upper Valley and ... I am so glad to be home ... of the freeway ... so safe and cozy.

Lots of great research contributed to the topic at hand in the past few days.  I hope this info is being  compiling in some type order ... an order that will clearly reveal the underlying motives  behind the Persistence endeavor.

Good Night Keepthefaith.

Janet



Order?Do these OIL companies have any order.Shoot.I've been reading this stuff over and over and still working on keeping my head straight! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Trying to tie in Aroil Trading partners would be great but may prove difficult but will not stop!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 11:23:28 PM
GoodNight Janet.Wait with excitement on your Kalpoe piece! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 11:25:44 PM
Hi San, Magnolia and Keepthefaith.

Janet
8:05 PM PT

Hey Janet,
Have you finished your paper on the Kalpoe/McGraw case?

DIL will be here shortly and ... will finish putting the doc in a consistent format ... emailing it in an attachment (?) to Phil McGraw's attorneys.  Probably for naught but DIL believes it cannot hurt.

Anyways ... I will be posting the doc tonight or tomorrow morning on the forum.

Magnolia ... I had so many compliments on the 3/4 length Indian (Natlve PC) sweater that you whipped up for me yesterday lickity split.  It really complimented my brown slacks.  I am so thankful you are good at something.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 09, 2009, 11:29:09 PM
Hi Anna, Magnolia, texasmom, San and Keepthefaith.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Hi Janet!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 11:32:14 PM
Hi San, Magnolia and Keepthefaith.

Janet
8:05 PM PT

Good Evening Janet!Hope all is well up in the Fraser Valley.Lil Cold,as well as a touch of snow and ice down here..

I think Seattle and the Fraser Valley have the same weather patterns.  It was sleet and hail all day.  Very damp and cold.  We just returned from the Upper Valley and ... I am so glad to be home ... of the freeway ... so safe and cozy.

Lots of great research contributed to the topic at hand in the past few days.  I hope this info is being  compiling in some type order ... an order that will clearly reveal the underlying motives  behind the Persistence endeavor.

Good Night Keepthefaith.

Janet



Order?Do these OIL companies have any order.Shoot.I've been reading this stuff over and over and still working on keeping my head straight! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Trying to tie in Aroil Trading partners would be great but may prove difficult but will not stop!

Some thing i've been reading is that Valero is tired of dealing with the Aruban Govt.Just forum stuff.Nothing substantiated but would think with the way they operate it could be true.What would Valero be tired of?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 09, 2009, 11:32:34 PM
::cartwheel::

Frank is back !!!
 ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Frank ... Why???

Janet

One too many episodes of "The View"?   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 11:32:42 PM
Hi Anna, Magnolia, texasmom, San and Keepthefaith.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Hi Janet!   ::MonkeyDance::

Hi texasmom

 ::cartwheel::

Brandi is not running loose tonight.  Have you checked on Scout?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2009, 11:35:16 PM
::cartwheel::

Frank is back !!!
 ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Frank ... Why???

Janet

One too many episodes of "The View"?   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  


texasmom ... it just does not make sense.  I was so upset I could not respond earlier.  Frank has been at the back of my mind all afternoon/evening.  Again ... it just does not make sense.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 09, 2009, 11:36:04 PM
Hi San, Magnolia and Keepthefaith.

Janet
8:05 PM PT

Good Evening Janet!Hope all is well up in the Fraser Valley.Lil Cold,as well as a touch of snow and ice down here..

I think Seattle and the Fraser Valley have the same weather patterns.  It was sleet and hail all day.  Very damp and cold.  We just returned from the Upper Valley and ... I am so glad to be home ... of the freeway ... so safe and cozy.

Lots of great research contributed to the topic at hand in the past few days.  I hope this info is being  compiling in some type order ... an order that will clearly reveal the underlying motives  behind the Persistence endeavor.

Good Night Keepthefaith.

Janet



Order?Do these OIL companies have any order.Shoot.I've been reading this stuff over and over and still working on keeping my head straight! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Trying to tie in Aroil Trading partners would be great but may prove difficult but will not stop!

Some thing i've been reading is that Valero is tired of dealing with the Aruban Govt.Just forum stuff.Nothing substantiated but would think with the way they operate it could be true.What would Valero be tired of?

Just a thought, but there were a few oil spills that affected the beaches; that may have played a part in tense relations.  I don't recall what if any settlements were reached regarding damages.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 11:37:38 PM
Valero sells refinery in second quarter
Monday, March 31, 2008 http://www.amigoe.com/english/
So what happened to the deal?Anyone know?

Yes, KTF, it fell through for some reason.

Valero seeking buyers for Aruba site
http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/local/27889674.html Posted: 09/05/2008 12:00 CDT
Vicki Vaughan - San Antonio Express-News

"Valero Energy Corp. said it will seek other buyers for its Aruba refinery in the Caribbean, as the sale of the plant has stalled, a company official told analysts Thursday.

The sale of the 275,000-barrel-a-day refinery in Aruba “is not dead, but it is at a lull,”
said Gene Edwards, executive vice president for business development, adding the company will start talking with other potential buyers.

Valero had said it hoped to sell the Aruba plant by the end of the second quarter. Petroleo Brasileiro SA, Brazil's state-controlled oil company, was said to be an interested buyer, Bloomberg News has reported.

Valero also has said it's looking to sell its plants in Memphis, Tenn., and in Ardmore, Okla. Interest in those plants has come from smaller companies. But because of an uncertain economy and a credit crunch, a sale of the two refineries “probably isn't going to go forward at this time,” Edwards said.

In remarks at the Lehman Brothers Energy/Power Conference, Valero CEO Bill Klesse said Valero is cutting capital expenditures this year and next.

Valero had said it would spend about $4.5 billion on capital expenditures this year, but now plans to spend $3.7 billion to $3.8 billion.

Next year, Valero, the nation's largest refiner, will spend about $4 billion, down from its planned expenditures of $4.5 billion to $5 billion.

The company has delayed a plan to produce paraxylene, which is used to make plastic fibers, at its St. Charles refinery near New Orleans. Valero hadn't set a timetable for paraxylene production.

It also will delay building a coker that can process heavy crude oils at its Port Arthur plant by one to two years. Valero now plans to bring the unit online closer to 2012 or 2013, when it expects to receive heavy Canadian crude oil from the Keystone pipeline. The pipeline, linking western Canada to terminals near Port Arthur, is being expanded to almost double its capacity.

As part of its long-term strategy, Valero continues to shift production toward fuels that are in demand globally, Klesse said.

In the near term, Valero will shift more production from gasoline to distillates, including diesel fuel. Margins for diesel fuel continue to be strong, he said, and the company will build units at St. Charles and Port Arthur to make more.

About 36 percent of Valero's product yield is now distillates and Klesse expects the total to rise to 40 percent in 2009. Key markets for Valero's distillates continue to be Australia, South America and Europe, he said.

“We continue to be very strong financially,” Klesse told analysts. The company had about $2 billion in cash in July and a credit line that it hasn't tapped.

“With these uncertain times in many of the financial markets,” he said, “we intend to hold more cash than we have in the past.”
Valero's stock fell $1.10 to $33.67 a share in a declining market Thursday. Its shares have lost more than half their value in the last year as its margins have been squeezed."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And I believe the last we heard, Valero was going to just allow the refinery to close down rather than invest any more money in it.




It would be interesting to get some insight as to why Anna.Was it Valero?Petrobras?Aruban Govt who was asking to much?Keep digging! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 09, 2009, 11:38:13 PM
Hi Anna, Magnolia, texasmom, San and Keepthefaith.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Hi Janet!   ::MonkeyDance::

Hi texasmom

 ::cartwheel::

Brandi is not running loose tonight.  Have you checked on Scout?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

I can't move my feet or I'll wake her and her sister up!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 09, 2009, 11:39:34 PM
Hi San, Magnolia and Keepthefaith.

Janet
8:05 PM PT

Good Evening Janet!Hope all is well up in the Fraser Valley.Lil Cold,as well as a touch of snow and ice down here..

I think Seattle and the Fraser Valley have the same weather patterns.  It was sleet and hail all day.  Very damp and cold.  We just returned from the Upper Valley and ... I am so glad to be home ... of the freeway ... so safe and cozy.

Lots of great research contributed to the topic at hand in the past few days.  I hope this info is being  compiling in some type order ... an order that will clearly reveal the underlying motives  behind the Persistence endeavor.

Good Night Keepthefaith.

Janet



Order?Do these OIL companies have any order.Shoot.I've been reading this stuff over and over and still working on keeping my head straight! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Trying to tie in Aroil Trading partners would be great but may prove difficult but will not stop!

Some thing i've been reading is that Valero is tired of dealing with the Aruban Govt.Just forum stuff.Nothing substantiated but would think with the way they operate it could be true.What would Valero be tired of?

Just a thought, but there were a few oil spills that affected the beaches; that may have played a part in tense relations.  I don't recall what if any settlements were reached regarding damages.

What.I can see all those POS swimming in OIL.They'd slide right on through! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 09, 2009, 11:40:13 PM
Kermit,

I know it's not easy being green and it seems you are better at it than I am.  I was looking for the Rick Bucher pic and couldn't find it...you did.  thank you. 

Just found that he was speaking on behalf of CalDive in 2007.   Hello??

http://www.southerngas.org/EVENTS/documents/OGO07Agenda.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 11:41:21 PM
Hi Monkeys ~is Jen still around??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 09, 2009, 11:45:54 PM
::cartwheel::

Frank is back !!!
 ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Frank ... Why???

Janet

One too many episodes of "The View"?   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  


texasmom ... it just does not make sense.  I was so upset I could not respond earlier.  Frank has been at the back of my mind all afternoon/evening.  Again ... it just does not make sense.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I know Janet, it's been on my mind too.  Some that I had a lot of respect for have really surprised me.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I keep hoping that a few of them are just undercover agents and aren't really buying into that insanity!    ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 09, 2009, 11:52:07 PM
From what I can tell - Superior Offshore didn't sell out to CalDive - but merely sold a diving system to them (and possibly other assets.........interesting that they only listed 50m in assets at the time of the bankruptcy).

Superior Diving is another company of Shaefer's, I believe there was some consolidating done at a prior time - but it looks to now be a name that is being used more frequently since the bankruptcy of Superior Offshore.

Jen3650~ you are right on the "certain asset" being CalDive.....I deal in bonds and haven't traded stocks in over 12 yrs, but because it was stated as a divestiture on the page that would be more likely these specific assets . I'll look again tomorrow more thoroughly. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 09, 2009, 11:53:55 PM
Goodnite you all.  Pray for the Aussies and for  Blonde's Mom!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 10, 2009, 12:00:07 AM
                               JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                    GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

                                            KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 10, 2009, 12:04:16 AM
::cartwheel::

Frank is back !!!
 ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Frank ... Why???

Janet

One too many episodes of "The View"?   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  


texasmom ... it just does not make sense.  I was so upset I could not respond earlier.  Frank has been at the back of my mind all afternoon/evening.  Again ... it just does not make sense.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I know Janet, it's been on my mind too.  Some that I had a lot of respect for have really surprised me.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I keep hoping that a few of them are just undercover agents and aren't really buying into that insanity!    ::MonkeyConfused::



Well, it's not about Kyle and it's not about Kermit and it's not about Caps because both Klaas and I were among those with the least to say on those subjects but among the most heavily attacked.

The agenda is something else by far.  I think Janet's description of cult comes the closest.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 01:08:12 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_rretr.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 01:09:30 AM


Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2009, 01:26:41 AM
To be fair, just because someone's name is on the member list isn't proof they are actually posting. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 10, 2009, 01:48:23 AM
OK...I'm kinda slow....
What's up about Frank?
Has he been a real deetch bag over at CNG?.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 10, 2009, 01:50:30 AM
As I said, I'm pretty slow....
You Monkeys are moving so fast with the oil connection stuff..can someone please provide a summary now and then so I can follow the thought train? I think I know....but not sure I know... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 10, 2009, 02:16:59 AM
Good night billb and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
Reminds me of a song...
All by myself..... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 10, 2009, 02:25:02 AM
Tamikosmom...Janet...
Please fill me in...in a summary..
thanks...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 02:26:35 AM
Son and DIL are youth leaders at their church and ... there was a function last night and ... it ended too late for DIL to make it over to finish cleaning up the document to her satisfaction.  However ... I posted it as is.

I meant to create a new topic in the Natalee Holloway section but messed up.  The document can be found in the Lounge.

Janet
11;25 PM PT

+++++++


THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4519.0




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 10, 2009, 02:34:49 AM
Goodnight Tamikosmom....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 10, 2009, 03:11:40 AM
2/10/2009 Awe Mainta Page 21

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/02102009AweMaintaPg21-1-1.jpg)

Google translation:

Justice Aruba lies in its hole MUSTARD AFTER THE MEAL

Following the last very bad developments justice field in Aruba can anyone with only a little sense and a intelligence level of basic school, the conclusion that JUDICIAL the device known When it comes to actually his hole is. 

It is also proved that after most recent visit PG Brewers on Aruba, 3 a 4 suddenly the senior field had to overcome while OM kamt with a huge staff shortages; Ra Ra Ra how could that be? 

You have to let you use or abuse many Arubans note this and not to grieve Your sudden departure sir Mosje.

Aruba is now a Iraq what little justice enforcement , and especially after the very bad case of not just one where the people in the generally very clearly faced with the policy of the OM not equal monks with unequal logging. 

To not even talk about the Natalee Holloway case.   In the early 90 we also had the same situation He was known as that person not just someone, self Minister of Justice and his right PG Jan Zwinkels which was also also urgently needed in all leave after a disastrous policy implications of this.

Hirsh Ballin, Brinkman, Ank Bijleveld Balkenende and screaming miles distant from the cold Aruba to small and accomplices for all those blunders still every day in Aruba take place, I think the boosdoenaar a great name and that is: the Netherlands motherland. 

You afford every day back again and again that this is not may be possible, where wait
Come on you guys? 

Interfere in Suriname and Iraq and god knows what else is your primary task and responsibility, while this sort should be made and prosperity. Everyone goes back to Netherlands and now the guests of OM? When those extradited to America for all the blunders they caused and now with the levant leave. 

I think that after 7 months advocate for justice in a case of a juvenile who still need to study in the abroad but still brightness can not get to a fair and professional investigation where agents guilty to threats, falsification, concealment accurate evidence and the OM in Aruba or judicial silent power for the second times since 2006 has same victim a number of
days for nothing in the tank chairs. 

Brinkman you and your Dutch drivers screaming hard and do nothing? We can but we also prefer to see a healthy policy effective results.

One thing I must do the same give Mr. Brinkman and that is, Jorg himself to given that a lot is Aruba and now shows that it is as always, and perhaps become worse after the departure of Jorg. 

I stay with very friendly greetings, and long live our Queen,

Michael Williams
mac2902@hotmail.com

interesting views, sums the current crisis up nicely - also in historic perspective (PG Zwinkels is mentioned).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on February 10, 2009, 09:54:03 AM
Hi San, Magnolia and Keepthefaith.

Janet
8:05 PM PT

Good Evening Janet!Hope all is well up in the Fraser Valley.Lil Cold,as well as a touch of snow and ice down here..

I think Seattle and the Fraser Valley have the same weather patterns.  It was sleet and hail all day.  Very damp and cold.  We just returned from the Upper Valley and ... I am so glad to be home ... of the freeway ... so safe and cozy.

Lots of great research contributed to the topic at hand in the past few days.  I hope this info is being  compiling in some type order ... an order that will clearly reveal the underlying motives  behind the Persistence endeavor.

Good Night Keepthefaith.

Janet



Order?Do these OIL companies have any order.Shoot.I've been reading this stuff over and over and still working on keeping my head straight! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Trying to tie in Aroil Trading partners would be great but may prove difficult but will not stop!

Some thing i've been reading is that Valero is tired of dealing with the Aruban Govt.Just forum stuff.Nothing substantiated but would think with the way they operate it could be true.What would Valero be tired of?

Found this:

Oil refinery on Aruba may close
Published: Thursday 29 January 2009 14:13 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 29 January 2009 16:56 UTC

An oil refinery on Aruba may close if its US owner fails to find a buyer soon. The Valero refinery has been on the market for over a year. In 2008, a take-over attempt by the Brazilian state company Petrobras failed.

In advertisements in local newspapers, the refinery's management has expressed its frustration with the attitude of the Aruban authorities. The refinery's management and the government have been in conflict for some time regarding tax turnover and environmental requirements.

LINK (Radio Netherlands) (http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6155233/Oil-refinery-on-Aruba-may-close)

Hmmm... attitude? The Aruban authorities have "attitude?" What does that mean, exactly?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: johan555 on February 10, 2009, 10:27:40 AM
 New Drug Paths to U.S.

 
Determined to keep control of their lucrative, illegal business, Colombia’s drug cartels are finding new partners to move their cocaine and heroin into the United States and Europe.

Imprisoning the country’s top drug lords and deporting their traditional European contacts weakened the cartels for a time, but now law enforcement officials fear that they are rebuilding their illicit empires with reliable new routes.

The cartels are capitalizing on the legendary smuggling prowess of Arubans, Puerto Rico’s status as a U.S. territory and the Dominican Republic’s strong New York City ties. Guatemala, once merely a stop on the drug route into Mexico and the United States, has become a jumping-off point for Europe as well. And the Russian mafia is now helping deliver the drugs to the European market, according to Colombian and Caribbean law enforcement sources.

The alliances emerged in an attempt to make an end run around Mexico’s drug distributors, who had taken advantage of the Colombian cartels’ vulnerability to grasp a tremendous share of the market.

“There are great efforts to break the Mexican monopoly,” said one high-level intelligence source. “Groups who don’t have anything and who don’t want anything to do with Mexico are exploring new possibilities.”

The growing importance of heroin in the mix of Colombia’s illegal drug exports has permitted another distribution shift that circumvents the Mexicans. Heroin is worth nine times more by weight than cocaine, making small quantities of heroin highly profitable.

So drug traffickers no longer need to hide large shipments of cocaine in freighters that dock at Mexico’s Pacific ports. Instead, they can rely on “mules” to take heroin directly to the United States in their luggage or their stomachs. These couriers transport about 90% of the Colombian heroin that enters the U.S., according to the intelligence source.

Mexico became a necessary stopover point for Colombian drugs headed to the U.S. about three years ago, when tighter controls made transshipment through the Bahamas, Jamaica and other traditional Caribbean routes highly risky. By the time Miguel and Gilberto Rodriguez Orejuela, the self-confessed heads of the monolithic Cali cartel, were arrested in 1995, the Colombians were hooked on Mexican help.

“With the fall of the Rodriguezes, Mexican ‘narcos’ began to take control away from the Colombian cartels,” said the intelligence source. “Today, Colombian organizations depend on the Mexicans for getting 60% to 70% of their drugs into the States, and the Mexicans have moved from being simple intermediaries to the owners of the trade.”

But as the big Colombian cartels fragmented, the infrastructure they used to get drugs across the U.S. border crumbled. Emerging traffickers on the South American country’s Atlantic coast to the north and in Valle del Cauca province, of which Cali is the capital, in the southwest developed different contacts to export their narcotics.

Distribution in Europe posed a different problem. The Colombians traditionally worked with the Italian Mafia, especially to launder money in Europe, according to intelligence sources. But that alliance has weakened over the last two years as nine Italian capos have been extradited from Colombia.

Further, the fragmenting of the Colombian cartels has made the business less attractive to the Italians, sources say, because now they must deal with several small players rather than a single, dominant drug lord. While the ties between the Italians and Colombians have not broken, they have definitely frayed.

Poolside Drug Deals

As the Mexican traffickers extended their tentacles deeper into the narcotics business, their services became pricier. They doubled their smuggling fee to 40% to 50% of a cocaine shipment, said Special Agent Bill Mitchell, who heads the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s Miami field office.

In response, Colombian traffickers began testing alternative routes in the Caribbean. In recent months, they have struck long-term alliances with Dominicans, who charge a 20% smuggling fee, according to Felix Jimenez, a DEA special agent in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

The Dominicans provide a full-service smuggling package for Colombians, DEA officials say. “They have the language, proximity and a full network in New York, so they have no problems bringing money back,” one official said.

Dominican officials from President Leonel Fernandez down have openly acknowledged that they are worried about the role their countrymen are playing in the drug trade and are seeking closer cooperation with U.S. law enforcement.

DEA officials said many deals are struck on the eastern Caribbean islands of St. Martin–which is half French, half Dutch–and Antigua. “St. Martin is a very comfortable place for Colombians to travel,” one agent said. “The U.S. can’t get our hands on them.”

Dominicans and Colombians check into entire blocks of hotel rooms for a week or more and sit by the pool talking on rented cellular phones until the shipment is set up, according to another DEA official. From there, the official said, the Dominicans take charge.

Dominican “armies for hire” have taken over entire housing projects in Puerto Rico and in New York City’s Washington Heights neighborhood–staging areas to vastly expand Colombia’s U.S. drug market, DEA officials contend.

Dominicans also control a two-block area in Queens that is full of wire-transfer businesses set up to launder money, said one DEA official.

“Everything’s in line,” he said. “They are set in the States.”

Targeting Puerto Rico

Colombians looking for new alliances in the drug trade have also targeted Puerto Rico, a U.S. territory that lies 70 miles east of the Dominican Republic.

“Cocaine and heroin traffickers from Colombia have transformed Puerto Rico into the largest staging area in the Caribbean for smuggling Colombian cocaine and heroin [into] the U.S.,” James Milford, DEA deputy chief, said during testimony before a U.S. House subcommittee in July.

When Jimenez’s agents cracked a major Puerto Rican drug ring in April, they arrested two Colombians and nine Dominicans. The alleged leader of the ring, Jouhan Rivera Rosa, had been arrested earlier in the Dominican Republic on separate drug charges.

Traffic has also picked up over the past three years on the island of Aruba, a landing site for drug planes for nearly two decades, according to law enforcement sources.

Proximity to Colombia–as well as connections to Europe and North America that the tourist trade has already established–has made Aruba an excellent transshipment point, U.S., Colombian and Caribbean authorities agree.

In addition, Aruba is well equipped to provide money-laundering services, they said.

Aruban smuggling fame dates to the days of the Dutch pirates. In this century, Arubans have established close contacts on the Guajira peninsula, Colombia’s traditional entry point for contraband.

Still under the protection of the Netherlands, Aruba is now a major passageway for cocaine and heroin entering Europe, Dutch authorities say.

The Colombians also appear to be turning to Central America for new drug routes into Europe.

Guatemalan and German authorities are investigating a case that has so far resulted in the arrest of Andreas Haeneggi, the local general manager of the Swiss corporate giant Nestle, and his son. They, along with the police chief of the tourist resort of Antigua, are suspected of being part of a major drug ring that hid $100 million worth of cocaine in cut flowers bound for Germany. All three have denied the charges.

With the operations of Italian allies curtailed, the Colombians are finding that their most reliable drug partner in Europe is the Russian mafia, officials say.

Russian Connection

With an explosion of drug consumption, especially heroin, in the former Soviet Union, criminal organizations–made up in part of ex-members of the KGB and former military and police officials–are making a bid for control of the East European market, according to Colombian authorities.

“The Russian mafia has set itself up on the Caribbean islands so as to be able to contact the Colombians,” said Gen. Rosso Jose Serrano, commander of the Colombian police. For example, more than two dozen Russian banks have offices on the island of Antigua, raising questions about why so many faraway financial institutions would have so much interest in such a small island, Caribbean law enforcement sources say.

Serrano readily admits that this emerging alliance worries him. “These are tough people,” he said. “An alliance between the Russians, the Italians and the Colombians would finish us off.”

 *

Darling reported from Bogota, Puerto Rico, Miami, Barbados and Guatemala. Times Caribbean Bureau Chief Mark Fineman contributed to this report from Miami and Washington, and Special Correspondent Steven Ambrus contributed from Bogota.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2009, 10:30:30 AM
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/02/obama_is_newsmaker_of_the_year.php

Obama voted kids' news maker of the year
Tuesday 10 February 2009

US president Barack Obama has been voted news maker of the year by 45% of Dutch primary school children, reports Dutch world service radio RNW, without quoting sources.

In second place, with 22% of the vote, was Joran van der Sloot who is suspected of killing US teenager Natalee Holloway.

Previous winners include crime boss Willem Holleeder, the controversial former integration minister Rita Verdonk and Mohammed Bouyeri, the man who murdered film-maker Theo van Gogh.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on February 10, 2009, 10:36:05 AM
What is so fascinating about the waters off of Aruba and the possible results of deep-sea mapping and gridding? In this forum, we are concerned with truth and justice for Natalee and her family. In other arenas, other spheres of interest, oil and natural gas and political cold wars come into play.

When I read this little snippet, I couldn't help wondering if the Persistence and the expertise of its crew were "trespassing" where oil/natural gas explorers had already gone before? Or perhaps working in concert with them? Who knows... anyway, here's a piece of an article:

Russia’s relationship to Venezuela worries the United States

A year of sharp exchanges about global expansion and Russia’s increasingly close military and economic relationship with Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez culminated in an exchange of direct criticism and threats following the incursion of Russian troops into a breakaway region of neighboring Georgia.

Following the standoff over Georgia’s South Ossetia region, Russia sent warships to Venezuelan borders, further inflaming the tension between Russia’s government and the West.

In January, Russia and Venezuela started drilling natural gas in the waters around the Caribbean island of Aruba, where Venezuela controls 28 fields possessing an estimated 27 trillion cubic meters of natural gas.

Chavez recently declared that his country and Russia were “strategic partners” in the exploration of oil and gas. In a televised speech, Chavez said the exploration was “an act of sovereignty, as we are liberated from the evil Yankee imperialism.”

LINK (http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/international/2009/feb/Russia-to-Help-Iran-With-Nuclear-Reactor--West-Worries-About-Implications.html#2)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 10, 2009, 10:56:15 AM
2/10/2009 Awe Mainta Page 21

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Google translation:

Justice Aruba lies in its hole MUSTARD AFTER THE MEAL

Following the last very bad developments justice field in Aruba can anyone with only a little sense and a intelligence level of basic school, the conclusion that JUDICIAL the device known When it comes to actually his hole is. 

It is also proved that after most recent visit PG Brewers on Aruba, 3 a 4 suddenly the senior field had to overcome while OM kamt with a huge staff shortages; Ra Ra Ra how could that be? 

You have to let you use or abuse many Arubans note this and not to grieve Your sudden departure sir Mosje.

Aruba is now a Iraq what little justice enforcement , and especially after the very bad case of not just one where the people in the generally very clearly faced with the policy of the OM not equal monks with unequal logging. 

To not even talk about the Natalee Holloway case.   In the early 90 we also had the same situation He was known as that person not just someone, self Minister of Justice and his right PG Jan Zwinkels which was also also urgently needed in all leave after a disastrous policy implications of this.

Hirsh Ballin, Brinkman, Ank Bijleveld Balkenende and screaming miles distant from the cold Aruba to small and accomplices for all those blunders still every day in Aruba take place, I think the boosdoenaar a great name and that is: the Netherlands motherland. 

You afford every day back again and again that this is not may be possible, where wait
Come on you guys? 

Interfere in Suriname and Iraq and god knows what else is your primary task and responsibility, while this sort should be made and prosperity. Everyone goes back to Netherlands and now the guests of OM? When those extradited to America for all the blunders they caused and now with the levant leave. 

I think that after 7 months advocate for justice in a case of a juvenile who still need to study in the abroad but still brightness can not get to a fair and professional investigation where agents guilty to threats, falsification, concealment accurate evidence and the OM in Aruba or judicial silent power for the second times since 2006 has same victim a number of
days for nothing in the tank chairs. 

Brinkman you and your Dutch drivers screaming hard and do nothing? We can but we also prefer to see a healthy policy effective results.

One thing I must do the same give Mr. Brinkman and that is, Jorg himself to given that a lot is Aruba and now shows that it is as always, and perhaps become worse after the departure of Jorg. 

I stay with very friendly greetings, and long live our Queen,

Michael Williams
mac2902@hotmail.com

interesting views, sums the current crisis up nicely - also in historic perspective (PG Zwinkels is mentioned).
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THIS IS A LOOSE TRANSLATION!!!!



Justice department is down hill.

IT IS A DAY AFTER THE FAIR

Because of the recent dubious judicial developments on Aruba, anyone with a bit of a brain & some intelligence can make the conclusion that the judicial system, known as the OM is down hill. It is also been proven that after the recent visit of PG Brouwers on Aruba, 3 a 4 top ranking officials suddenly had to leave while the OM has an enormous shortage of staff. My, my…how can this happen? You have let yourself be used or abused, many Arubans noticed this & don’t feel sad because of your sudden departure mr. Mosje. Aruba looks like a small Iraq concerning the justice department & certainly after the dubious case of Not just anyone, where the people in general were confronted with the working policy of the OM of not treating everybody equally. Not to mention the case of Natalee Holloway.

In the beginning of the nineties we had to deal with a similar situation because that person, who isn’t just anyone, was Minister of Justice at the time and his right hand was PG Jan Zwinkels; who had to leave suddenly after a disastrous working policy with all the consequences that come with that.  Hirsh Ballin, Brinkman, Ank Bijleveld & Balkenende are screaming from far away to small Aruba and are contributors to all the failures that are still continuing on Aruba every day, I think the villain has a big name and that is: Netherland as  metropolitan territory. You are saying time and again that this can’t happen; what are you waiting on? Meddle in Surinam and or Iraq and God knows where else isn’t your first task & responsibility, while things need to put in order here….and quickly! Some are leaving back to Holland…and now those guys from the OM? When will they be handed over to America for all the failures they have caused & are leaving now take a French leave?

I think after 7 months of pleading for justice concerning a case of a youth who still has has to go to college abroad but still hasn’t been given the clearance to get an honest & professional investigation where police officers were guilty of threats, forgery, keeping evidence behind & the OM on Aruba cq the judicial powers are staying silent for the second time because in 2006 the same victim was in prison for nothing for a few days as well.

Brinkman; you and your Dutch politicians; scream loud and do nothing? We can do that as well but we’d rather see healthy management with actual results. On one thing I do agree with you mr. Brinkman, Jorg has said himself that it’s a mess on Aruba and now it appears it still is; and it might even have gotten worse after Jorg left.

Kind regards & long live our Queen,

Michael Williams
mac2902@hotmail.com
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 10, 2009, 11:19:15 AM
Joran van der Sloot wins 13.800 dollar or 10.609 euro in Poker tournament.
using alias AANOTILTKK.
but he struck a deal so likely he won even more.

http://hln.be/hln/nl/2161/Zaak-Holloway/article/detail/682912/2009/02/10/Van-der-Sloot-wint-duizenden-euro-s-met-pokeren.dhtml



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 10, 2009, 11:40:01 AM
Joran van der Sloot wins 13.800 dollar or 10.609 euro in Poker tournament.
using alias AANOTILTKK.
but he struck a deal so likely he won even more.

http://hln.be/hln/nl/2161/Zaak-Holloway/article/detail/682912/2009/02/10/Van-der-Sloot-wint-duizenden-euro-s-met-pokeren.dhtml


Google Translation

The Party Poker $ 300K Guaranteed, a large online poker tournament, Sunday has a very well-known participant visited. The name AANOTILTKK you or say nothing, according to various poker sites is Joran Van der Sloot behind the screen name.

Joran Van der Sloot is suspected of involvement in the death of Natalee Holloway.

Daily activity
While online poker tournament ended Van der Sloot in a creditable fifth place (out of 1461 players), which was officially about 13,800 dollars or 10,609 euros. But even as the finalists for the elimination of Van der Sloot had already closed a deal, the Dutch are more likely to have taken over.

Van der Sloot is almost daily since January found at Party Poker, one of the largest poker providers on the Internet. Party Poker $ 300K Guaranteed is the most expensive poker tournament where Van der Sloot to participate this year.

Cheaper tournaments
The Dutchman took already part in tournaments like the $ 50K Guaranteed Saturday (320 dollars or 246 euro registration fee), the Million Monthly (460 dollars or 354 euro registration fee) and the High Roller $ 50K GTD (530 dollars or 407 euro registration fee).

It is not clear whether Van der Sloot directly registering for this tournament or that he had earned through his participation cheaper poker tournaments. (ka)
10/02/09 16u04


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 10, 2009, 12:20:33 PM
Quote
Dutch parliament dissatisfied about explanation 'leak row' (VNO-gate) Aruba

DUTCH PRESS AGENCY

10-02-2009

The Dutch parliament is not satisfied with the explanation State Secretary for Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld gave about  leaked out confidential information of the Dutch representation on Aruba. The majority of the political parties agree with the criticism of VVD'er Johan Remkes, who called the letter on Tuesday 'very dissatisfactorily'.

SP-member of parliament Ronald van Raak qualified the explanation of Bijleveld even as 'very bad'. The chamber wants that the State Secretary in a new letter creates more clarity. The parties want to receive the additional explanation before the beginning of March when they debate Bijleveld about the the leaked information, in which harsh words are directed at Arubans politicians.

The PVV did Tuesday an unfruitful attempt to keep an emergency debate concerning the matter. "Finally we've got this this mafia government on Aruba by the throat and still the parliament doesn't want to talk about it'', spoke Member of Parliament Hero Brinkman disappointed.


The State Secretary has written the parliament that she will let investigate the leaking out the information on Aruba. She cannot anticipate the outcome of it, but already has taken some measures to prevent possible recurrence.

Bijleveld states in the letter once again that she finds the matter 'exceptionally serious'. Last week she called the Aruban prime-minister Nelson Oduber twice to iron out the differences. Oduber will come in March to the Netherlands. "Then we will discuss obviously the relation between our two countries'', said Bijleveld.

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20090210_ANP-rel-Kamer


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: johan555 on February 10, 2009, 01:24:09 PM
   Joran won thousands of euros
ROTTERDAM - The final table of a large online poker tournament, the Party Poker $ 300K Guaranteed, appeared Sunday a very illustrious pokerplayer : AANOTILTKK.  
 (http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00133/sloot_133056h.jpg)
Joran van der Sloot. AP PHOTO
According to various poker sites Joran van der Sloot hiding behind this screen name.

Van der Sloot, suspected of involvement in the death of Natalee Holloway, ended the tournament, with 1461 players participated in a creditable fifth place. This performance was officially good for $ 13,800 in prizes.

Even for the elimination of Van der Sloot, the finalists already have a deal closed, so it's likely the more notorious Dutchman held on to the poker tournament.

Van der Sloot plays almost daily since January on Party Poker, one of the largest providers of internet poker. The tournament last Sunday, Party Poker $ 300K Guaranteed, is not the 'most expensive' poker tournament that Joran van der Sloot played this year. Van der Sloot was also in the $ 50K Guaranteed Saturday (fee $ 320), the Million Monthly (fee $ 640) and the High Roller $ 50K GTD (fee $ 530).

It is not known whether Van der Sloot directly or registering for this tournament that he won tickets through other cheaper poker tournaments.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 10, 2009, 01:29:47 PM
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES DIVESTITURES IN CAL DIVE INTERNATIONAL'S ACQUISITION OF STOLT OFFSHORE

Divestiture of Assets Will Preserve Competition for Saturation Diving Services in the United States Gulf of Mexico

WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Department of Justice announced today that it will require Cal Dive International Inc. to divest certain diving assets in order to proceed with its acquisition of assets from Stolt Offshore Inc. and S&H Diving LLC. The Department said that the transaction, as originally proposed, would have resulted in increased prices and diminished services for saturation diving services in the United States Gulf of Mexico.


http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/press_releases/2005/212131.htm


Interesting article to say the least..Maybe Kermit,and or Island Monkey can shed some light as to why the DOJ would make them do this???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 10, 2009, 01:36:30 PM
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES DIVESTITURES IN CAL DIVE INTERNATIONAL'S ACQUISITION OF STOLT OFFSHORE

Divestiture of Assets Will Preserve Competition for Saturation Diving Services in the United States Gulf of Mexico

WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Department of Justice announced today that it will require Cal Dive International Inc. to divest certain diving assets in order to proceed with its acquisition of assets from Stolt Offshore Inc. and S&H Diving LLC. The Department said that the transaction, as originally proposed, would have resulted in increased prices and diminished services for saturation diving services in the United States Gulf of Mexico.


http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/press_releases/2005/212131.htm


Interesting article to say the least..Maybe Kermit,and or Island Monkey can shed some light as to why the DOJ would make them do this???


Cal Dive snaps up Stolt assets
Norwegian player unveils $125m sale

By Upstream staff

Norwegian contractor Stolt Offshore is set to sell its North American and Mexican inspection, maintenance and repair operations to US player Cal Dive for $125 million, it said today.
The sale, which includes related assets, would enable Stolt Offshore to focus on its core business, the company said.

The cash sale is subject to regulatory approval and includes seven ships that work in the inspection, maintenance and repair segment.

Stolt Offshore will charter back two of those vessels from Houston-based Cal Dive to complete a Trinidad pipeline project in 2005.

http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article4283.ece


Is there a picture emerging or am i confused? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: johan555 on February 10, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
   Joran won thousands of euros
ROTTERDAM - The final table of a large online poker tournament, the Party Poker $ 300K Guaranteed, appeared Sunday a very illustrious pokerplayer : AANOTILTKK.  
 (http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00133/sloot_133056h.jpg)
Joran van der Sloot. AP PHOTO
According to various poker sites Joran van der Sloot hiding behind this screen name.

Van der Sloot, suspected of involvement in the death of Natalee Holloway, ended the tournament, with 1461 players participated in a creditable fifth place. This performance was officially good for $ 13,800 in prizes.

Even for the elimination of Van der Sloot, the finalists already have a deal closed, so it's likely the more notorious Dutchman held on to the poker tournament.

Van der Sloot plays almost daily since January on Party Poker, one of the largest providers of internet poker. The tournament last Sunday, Party Poker $ 300K Guaranteed, is not the 'most expensive' poker tournament that Joran van der Sloot played this year. Van der Sloot was also in the $ 50K Guaranteed Saturday (fee $ 320), the Million Monthly (fee $ 640) and the High Roller $ 50K GTD (fee $ 530).

It is not known whether Van der Sloot directly or registering for this tournament that he won tickets through other cheaper poker tournaments.

December 10, 2007, 06:46:56 PM (SM)

winnings.

AANOTILTKK 114 $8 $55 0% $893 - Party Poker x
ANGRYSHARK68 32 -$12 $30 -45% -$388 Super Tilt PokerStars x x
joran9 160 $0 $24 -15% -$72 - iPoker x
joran_sloot 1 -$22 $20 -100% -$22 - Party Poker

Sites this user plays on
PartyPoker AANOTILTKK [Verified]
PokerStars angryshark68 [Verified]
TitanPoker Joran9 [Verified]
UltimateBet angryshark68 [Verified]
http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/joran_sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: johan555 on February 10, 2009, 01:49:51 PM
Joran's > AANOTILTKK (Party Poker) statistics

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/poker.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: johan555 on February 10, 2009, 02:02:31 PM
Joran addicted to poker

Posted on February 07, 2008

Joran van der Sloot is addicted to poker, reports the Algemeen Dagblad.

According to Patrick van der Eem, the undercover business that the 20-year unmasked, Joran on Titan plays under the name Joran888. His logo is a blond girl like Natalee Holloway.

The Algemeen Dagblad reported that Joran the past two years intensively gepokerd on the Internet. In 2007 he was online to more than 200 tournaments, sometimes several times a day. Joran can play reasonably well and is good with regular tournaments, but his online hobby costs more money than it brings.

This is evident from the statistics officialpokerrankings.com, which results from online poker tournaments can be obtained. AD.nl looked at the results of the 20-year-old from Arnhem joran_sloot, under what name the parties he plays.

2006
Joran van der Sloot show Party Poker noon poker tournaments to play. It is that of a very different game levels. On October 8 and December 3, he played tournaments with a registration fee of $ 215 and October 17, 2006 a tournament for only $ 2. The higher the fee, the better players in general poker. Van der Sloot was mainly the most popular variant of poker, No Limit Texas Hold'em.

Joran has never won a tournament, but finished three times in the money. " The best performance he delivered in the $ 200K Guaranteed Sunday tournament on December 3. This tournament was 1024 people. The 39th place of Joran earned him a prize of $ 862 on.

His total prize money on Party Poker is $ 1266. Because Joran van der Sloot more than $ 1266 fee he paid to a negative return of 20%.

2007
At the end of 2006 got Joran to Party Poker Full Tilt Poker. He played two expensive tournaments and lost within two days $ 379. Van der Sloot switches to the largest provider of Internet poker: Poker Stars. Here it seems an online poker addict to be until May, he plays daily poker tournaments. In total no less than 233! Two small toernooitjes he won in total twenty-five time he finished in the money. "

The total prize money of Van der Sloot on Poker Stars is $ 1101. But here he paid much more fee with a negative return of no less than 74% as a result.

On various websites that the names pokerpro68of, AANOTILTKK, angryshark68 and Joran9 by Joran van der Sloot used. Only AANOTILTKK wins more than he spends.

From the above it can be deduced that Joran van der Sloot is a big fan of poker. He seems addicted to the game. Poker on the Internet cost him much money. His results are poor. Joran van der Sloot will know something of poker strategy - he is finished with a high number of tournaments - but really, he has never in the theory of poker deepened. It is a losing player.


Peter R. de Vries said that Joran van der Sloot played sometimes amounts to "a normal person for a month to work." The program Pauw and Witteman reported that Joran Van der Eem 'crazy money'. 'It is only with him but how he himself can be better. " He said the man suspected of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway also a psychopath. " "This boy has no manners."

Until the day of the unveiling was Joran Patrick harass with mail and SMS. Patrick had 126, which focused on poker.


http://www.casinobazar.com/nl/article/42/joran-verslaafd-aan-pokeren.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 10, 2009, 02:15:20 PM
Quote
Dutch parliament dissatisfied about explanation 'leak row' (VNO-gate) Aruba

DUTCH PRESS AGENCY

10-02-2009

The Dutch parliament is not satisfied with the explanation State Secretary for Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld gave about  leaked out confidential information of the Dutch representation on Aruba. The majority of the political parties agree with the criticism of VVD'er Johan Remkes, who called the letter on Tuesday 'very dissatisfactorily'.

SP-member of parliament Ronald van Raak qualified the explanation of Bijleveld even as 'very bad'. The chamber wants that the State Secretary in a new letter creates more clarity. The parties want to receive the additional explanation before the beginning of March when they debate Bijleveld about the the leaked information, in which harsh words are directed at Arubans politicians.

The PVV did Tuesday an unfruitful attempt to keep an emergency debate concerning the matter. "Finally we've got this this mafia government on Aruba by the throat and still the parliament doesn't want to talk about it'', spoke Member of Parliament Hero Brinkman disappointed.


The State Secretary has written the parliament that she will let investigate the leaking out the information on Aruba. She cannot anticipate the outcome of it, but already has taken some measures to prevent possible recurrence.

Bijleveld states in the letter once again that she finds the matter 'exceptionally serious'. Last week she called the Aruban prime-minister Nelson Oduber twice to iron out the differences. Oduber will come in March to the Netherlands. "Then we will discuss obviously the relation between our two countries'', said Bijleveld.

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20090210_ANP-rel-Kamer

for the record, here the letter from Bijleveld:
http://www.minbzk.nl/actueel/116785/brief-aan-de-tweede_2


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Post by: Keepthefaith on February 10, 2009, 02:16:12 PM
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES DIVESTITURES IN CAL DIVE INTERNATIONAL'S ACQUISITION OF STOLT OFFSHORE

Divestiture of Assets Will Preserve Competition for Saturation Diving Services in the United States Gulf of Mexico

WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Department of Justice announced today that it will require Cal Dive International Inc. to divest certain diving assets in order to proceed with its acquisition of assets from Stolt Offshore Inc. and S&H Diving LLC. The Department said that the transaction, as originally proposed, would have resulted in increased prices and diminished services for saturation diving services in the United States Gulf of Mexico.


http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/press_releases/2005/212131.htm


Interesting article to say the least..Maybe Kermit,and or Island Monkey can shed some light as to why the DOJ would make them do this???


Cal Dive snaps up Stolt assets
Norwegian player unveils $125m sale

By Upstream staff

Norwegian contractor Stolt Offshore is set to sell its North American and Mexican inspection, maintenance and repair operations to US player Cal Dive for $125 million, it said today.
The sale, which includes related assets, would enable Stolt Offshore to focus on its core business, the company said.

The cash sale is subject to regulatory approval and includes seven ships that work in the inspection, maintenance and repair segment.

Stolt Offshore will charter back two of those vessels from Houston-based Cal Dive to complete a Trinidad pipeline project in 2005.

http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article4283.ece


Is there a picture emerging or am i confused? ::MonkeyConfused::

Cal Dive and Horizon Receive Second Request Under Hart-Scott-Rodino Merger Notification
(Archive News Story - Products mentioned in this Archive News Story may or may not be available from the manufacturer.)



Horizon Offshore, Inc., headquartered in Houston, Texas, provides marine construction services for the offshore oil and gas and energy industries. The Company's fleet of nine vessels is used to perform a wide range of marine construction services, including installation and repair of marine pipelines to transport oil and gas and other subsea production systems, and the installation and abandonment of production platforms, in the Gulf of Mexico, Latin America, Southeast Asia/Mediterranean, and West Africa.

http://news.thomasnet.com/companystory/533376




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Post by: Blonde on February 10, 2009, 02:48:36 PM
Kermit,

I know it's not easy being green and it seems you are better at it than I am.  I was looking for the Rick Bucher pic and couldn't find it...you did.  thank you. 

Just found that he was speaking on behalf of CalDive in 2007.   Hello??

http://www.southerngas.org/EVENTS/documents/OGO07Agenda.pdf
http://canadianconnectionstrophyhunts.com/KingBucksafaris/kb07-1.jpg

http://canadianconnectionstrophyhunts.com/KingBucksafaris/kb07-1.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 10, 2009, 02:48:47 PM
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES DIVESTITURES IN CAL DIVE INTERNATIONAL'S ACQUISITION OF STOLT OFFSHORE

Divestiture of Assets Will Preserve Competition for Saturation Diving Services in the United States Gulf of Mexico

WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Department of Justice announced today that it will require Cal Dive International Inc. to divest certain diving assets in order to proceed with its acquisition of assets from Stolt Offshore Inc. and S&H Diving LLC. The Department said that the transaction, as originally proposed, would have resulted in increased prices and diminished services for saturation diving services in the United States Gulf of Mexico.


http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/press_releases/2005/212131.htm


Interesting article to say the least..Maybe Kermit,and or Island Monkey can shed some light as to why the DOJ would make them do this???

Sound like it's possibly anti-trust reasons. I will get on the Bloomberg and see whay I can find ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 10, 2009, 03:24:52 PM
Let me know what you find out.Seems CalDive is buying everything up!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 10, 2009, 03:46:35 PM
'The Netherlands did everything to solve the Holloway-case'

state secretary for Kingdom relation Bijleveld writes this in a letter to the Dutch parliament.

http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1915173/nederland-heeft-alles-gedaan-in-holloway-zaak.html

i haven't found this letter yet, but i presume it is in response to questions by Brinkman after Rudy Croes came with the comments about Jan van der Straten in december 2008.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 10, 2009, 04:12:21 PM
Let me know what you find out.Seems CalDive is buying everything up!

Well, not everything~look at the first attachment from Helix.........the insider sales, that's akmost 15% or his entire position to sell at one time ::MonkeyEek::

But on the anti-trust issue, attached is the story and their settlement of it ::MonkeyConfused:: Sorry, the story is in 3 pages, that;s just how Bloomberg works, no way to upload them into one document-but I'll try to myself.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 10, 2009, 04:18:40 PM
ktf - I see the same picture emerging that you see!~



This might answer some questions about the failed sale of the refinery:

IN LATE 2007, PRIME MINISTER ODUBAR SAYS THE ARUBAN GOVERNMENT WILL STATE THE CONDITIONS OF THE SALE OF THE VALERO REFINERY TO THE NEW BUYERS

Valero Energy Corporation sells Aruba Refinery to Petrobras

American oil giant Valero sells refinery in Aruba to Brazilian semi-government company Petrobras stating that the refinery in Aruba no longer fits in their industrial strategy. Interestingly enough, many tourists have made that same value judgement that Aruba does not fit in their vacation strategy either.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said late last year that the government will state conditions to new buyers.  “They must guarantee that they won’t force any dismissals; that the new owner will invest at least 1.5 milliard dollars in the refinery, so that it also produces white products, like gasoline.” 

Valero sells refinery in second quarter (Amigoe: 4/2/08)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/04/02/valero-energy-corporation-sells-aruba-refinery-to-petrobras/

 

 

ON FEBRUARY 15, 2008 NEGOTIATIONS REACHED A POINT THE MATTER WAS PUT IN FRONT OF THE PETROBRAS BOARD OF DIRECTORS, BUT THE COMPANY BALKED AT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS

Data: 15/2/2008
The other refinery Petrobras is eying is Valero's 275,000 b/d Aruba plant. Negotiations in recent months reached the point where the matter was put in front of the Petrobras Board of Directors, but the company balked at some conditions. Aruba 's diet of mostly heavy crudes like Maya makes it a good fit for Petrobras and Brazilian Marlim crude, analysts say. However, Aruba has long had union problems and a less than stellar performance track record, so the
sophisticated and very disciplined Petrobras is not likely to overpay for the assethttp://www.gasnet.com.br/novo_atualidades.asp?cod=511 ON MAY 14, 2008 PETROBRAS POSTPONED THE DECISION ON WHETHER TO ACQUIRE THE VALERO PLANT IN ARUBA. THEY ADJOURNED THEIR MEETING WITHOUT MAKING A DECISION ON THE PROPOSED ACQUISITION 14-05-08

Petroleo Brasileiro, Brazil's state-controlled oil producer, has postponed a decision on whether to acquire a Valero Energy plant in Aruba that would boost the company's refining capacity by 14 %.
Directors of the Rio de Janeiro-based company, known as Petrobras, adjourned their meeting without making a decision on the proposed acquisition, said Alberto Guimaraes, chief executive officer for the company's US unit. No new date has been set for the board to consider the transaction, Guimaraes said.

Petrobras wants to acquire refineries outside Brazil and expand a Texas plant rather than export crude from offshore discoveries including Tupi, the Western Hemisphere's biggest oil find since 1976, Chief Executive Officer Jose Sergio Gabrielli said on May 5.
Petrobras owns stakes in 18 refineries that process about 2 mm barrels of oil a day, or 85 % of current output, said Lilyanna Yang, an analyst at JP Morgan Chase & Co. in New York.

Valero's Aruba plant can process 275,000 barrels of oil a day and includes two delayed coking units, which handle heavy crude similar to the grades in Brazil's offshore deposits.
San Antonio-based Valero acquired the Aruba plant four years ago for $ 627 mm.



Source: www.latinpetroleum.com
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/company/cnl82520.htm



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Post by: Keepthefaith on February 10, 2009, 04:23:16 PM
The Unions for Valero down in Aruba.How do those work?Who runs them?Who in the Aruban Govt asked for to much from Petrobras?Just thoughts....


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Post by: caesu on February 10, 2009, 04:36:42 PM
i don't follow this Valero situation very closely

but i can add that Hendrik (H. S.) Croes was the attorney for Valero Refining Company-Aruba N.V. / Valero Marketing&Supply-Aruba N.V.

http://jure.nl/bg1608
http://jure.nl/bf4083

in the leaked internal VNO-report stated that Hendrik Croes wants to bring Aruba on a collision course with The Netherlands.
Hendrik Croes needs this because The Netherlands wants more transparency in the Aruban governance.
this threatens the business interests of Hendrik Croes on Curaçao, Bonaire and of course Aruba.

as we know Hendrik Croes and Nel Oduber are the real force behind the strategies of MEP.

http://i44.tinypic.com/j63d3r.png


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Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 05:43:11 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52556.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Drugs in drinking

10 Feb, 2009, 14:49 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A 26-year-old from Iran coming tourist MS had to be transported to the hospital after a drug in her drink had done. Last Saturday chaired the bather a drink tequilla when an unknown man in her came to a chat. After a while, felt S. are unwell. When the police arrived the victim had been taken to hospital for treatment of her complaints. The next day S. together with her husband to the police in order to make a statement. The matter is further investigated.



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Post by: Buckeye on February 10, 2009, 05:43:59 PM
New Drug Paths to U.S.

 
Determined to keep control of their lucrative, illegal business, Colombia’s drug cartels are finding new partners to move their cocaine and heroin into the United States and Europe.

Imprisoning the country’s top drug lords and deporting their traditional European contacts weakened the cartels for a time, but now law enforcement officials fear that they are rebuilding their illicit empires with reliable new routes.

The cartels are capitalizing on the legendary smuggling prowess of Arubans, Puerto Rico’s status as a U.S. territory and the Dominican Republic’s strong New York City ties. Guatemala, once merely a stop on the drug route into Mexico and the United States, has become a jumping-off point for Europe as well. And the Russian mafia is now helping deliver the drugs to the European market, according to Colombian and Caribbean law enforcement sources.

The alliances emerged in an attempt to make an end run around Mexico’s drug distributors, who had taken advantage of the Colombian cartels’ vulnerability to grasp a tremendous share of the market.

“There are great efforts to break the Mexican monopoly,” said one high-level intelligence source. “Groups who don’t have anything and who don’t want anything to do with Mexico are exploring new possibilities.”

The growing importance of heroin in the mix of Colombia’s illegal drug exports has permitted another distribution shift that circumvents the Mexicans. Heroin is worth nine times more by weight than cocaine, making small quantities of heroin highly profitable.

So drug traffickers no longer need to hide large shipments of cocaine in freighters that dock at Mexico’s Pacific ports. Instead, they can rely on “mules” to take heroin directly to the United States in their luggage or their stomachs. These couriers transport about 90% of the Colombian heroin that enters the U.S., according to the intelligence source.

Mexico became a necessary stopover point for Colombian drugs headed to the U.S. about three years ago, when tighter controls made transshipment through the Bahamas, Jamaica and other traditional Caribbean routes highly risky. By the time Miguel and Gilberto Rodriguez Orejuela, the self-confessed heads of the monolithic Cali cartel, were arrested in 1995, the Colombians were hooked on Mexican help.

“With the fall of the Rodriguezes, Mexican ‘narcos’ began to take control away from the Colombian cartels,” said the intelligence source. “Today, Colombian organizations depend on the Mexicans for getting 60% to 70% of their drugs into the States, and the Mexicans have moved from being simple intermediaries to the owners of the trade.”

But as the big Colombian cartels fragmented, the infrastructure they used to get drugs across the U.S. border crumbled. Emerging traffickers on the South American country’s Atlantic coast to the north and in Valle del Cauca province, of which Cali is the capital, in the southwest developed different contacts to export their narcotics.

Distribution in Europe posed a different problem. The Colombians traditionally worked with the Italian Mafia, especially to launder money in Europe, according to intelligence sources. But that alliance has weakened over the last two years as nine Italian capos have been extradited from Colombia.

Further, the fragmenting of the Colombian cartels has made the business less attractive to the Italians, sources say, because now they must deal with several small players rather than a single, dominant drug lord. While the ties between the Italians and Colombians have not broken, they have definitely frayed.

Poolside Drug Deals

As the Mexican traffickers extended their tentacles deeper into the narcotics business, their services became pricier. They doubled their smuggling fee to 40% to 50% of a cocaine shipment, said Special Agent Bill Mitchell, who heads the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s Miami field office.

In response, Colombian traffickers began testing alternative routes in the Caribbean. In recent months, they have struck long-term alliances with Dominicans, who charge a 20% smuggling fee, according to Felix Jimenez, a DEA special agent in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

The Dominicans provide a full-service smuggling package for Colombians, DEA officials say. “They have the language, proximity and a full network in New York, so they have no problems bringing money back,” one official said.

Dominican officials from President Leonel Fernandez down have openly acknowledged that they are worried about the role their countrymen are playing in the drug trade and are seeking closer cooperation with U.S. law enforcement.

DEA officials said many deals are struck on the eastern Caribbean islands of St. Martin–which is half French, half Dutch–and Antigua. “St. Martin is a very comfortable place for Colombians to travel,” one agent said. “The U.S. can’t get our hands on them.”

Dominicans and Colombians check into entire blocks of hotel rooms for a week or more and sit by the pool talking on rented cellular phones until the shipment is set up, according to another DEA official. From there, the official said, the Dominicans take charge.

Dominican “armies for hire” have taken over entire housing projects in Puerto Rico and in New York City’s Washington Heights neighborhood–staging areas to vastly expand Colombia’s U.S. drug market, DEA officials contend.

Dominicans also control a two-block area in Queens that is full of wire-transfer businesses set up to launder money, said one DEA official.

“Everything’s in line,” he said. “They are set in the States.”

Targeting Puerto Rico

Colombians looking for new alliances in the drug trade have also targeted Puerto Rico, a U.S. territory that lies 70 miles east of the Dominican Republic.

“Cocaine and heroin traffickers from Colombia have transformed Puerto Rico into the largest staging area in the Caribbean for smuggling Colombian cocaine and heroin [into] the U.S.,” James Milford, DEA deputy chief, said during testimony before a U.S. House subcommittee in July.

When Jimenez’s agents cracked a major Puerto Rican drug ring in April, they arrested two Colombians and nine Dominicans. The alleged leader of the ring, Jouhan Rivera Rosa, had been arrested earlier in the Dominican Republic on separate drug charges.

Traffic has also picked up over the past three years on the island of Aruba, a landing site for drug planes for nearly two decades, according to law enforcement sources.

Proximity to Colombia–as well as connections to Europe and North America that the tourist trade has already established–has made Aruba an excellent transshipment point, U.S., Colombian and Caribbean authorities agree.

In addition, Aruba is well equipped to provide money-laundering services, they said.

Aruban smuggling fame dates to the days of the Dutch pirates. In this century, Arubans have established close contacts on the Guajira peninsula, Colombia’s traditional entry point for contraband.

Still under the protection of the Netherlands, Aruba is now a major passageway for cocaine and heroin entering Europe, Dutch authorities say.

The Colombians also appear to be turning to Central America for new drug routes into Europe.

Guatemalan and German authorities are investigating a case that has so far resulted in the arrest of Andreas Haeneggi, the local general manager of the Swiss corporate giant Nestle, and his son. They, along with the police chief of the tourist resort of Antigua, are suspected of being part of a major drug ring that hid $100 million worth of cocaine in cut flowers bound for Germany. All three have denied the charges.

With the operations of Italian allies curtailed, the Colombians are finding that their most reliable drug partner in Europe is the Russian mafia, officials say.

Russian Connection

With an explosion of drug consumption, especially heroin, in the former Soviet Union, criminal organizations–made up in part of ex-members of the KGB and former military and police officials–are making a bid for control of the East European market, according to Colombian authorities.

“The Russian mafia has set itself up on the Caribbean islands so as to be able to contact the Colombians,” said Gen. Rosso Jose Serrano, commander of the Colombian police. For example, more than two dozen Russian banks have offices on the island of Antigua, raising questions about why so many faraway financial institutions would have so much interest in such a small island, Caribbean law enforcement sources say.

Serrano readily admits that this emerging alliance worries him. “These are tough people,” he said. “An alliance between the Russians, the Italians and the Colombians would finish us off.”

 *

Darling reported from Bogota, Puerto Rico, Miami, Barbados and Guatemala. Times Caribbean Bureau Chief Mark Fineman contributed to this report from Miami and Washington, and Special Correspondent Steven Ambrus contributed from Bogota.

Not saying the above is true or not, but this article was written in 1997. Not New.

http://articles.latimes.com/1997/nov/17/news/mn-54735


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 05:48:33 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52563.php

Google translation:

Aruba
Chamber unhappy with explanations Bijleveld leak Aruba

10 Feb, 2009, 14:56 (GMT -04:00)

DEN HAAG - The Lower House is not satisfied with the explanation that Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom, CDA) authorizing the leaking of confidential information from the Dutch Representation in Aruba. Most of the groups can accept the criticism of VVD'er Johan Remkes, the letter today 'least satisfactory' said.
The Secretary of State, the Lower House today written to the leaking of information in Aruba late investigations. They can not anticipate the results, but already has some measures to prevent possible recurrence. In the letter she once again to the matter "extremely seriously" to find. She has in the past week two times with the Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber to smooth wrinkles to iron. Oduber in March to the Netherlands. "Then we will of course the relationship between our two countries to discuss," said Bijleveld.
SP MP Ronald van Raak Bijleveld qualified the remarks as "very bad". The Court wants the State Secretary in a new letter creates more clarity. The groups want the additional clarification before they start March Bijleveld discussion on the leaked documents, which include harsh words about Aruban directors.
State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Bijleveld must do its homework, says Ronald van Raak Second Chamber of the Socialist Party. He asked last week to explain how the confidential week notice of the Dutch Representation in Aruba in the public could come. Also he wanted to know whether the content is correct.
 
The Secretary of State sent a letter to today, although the Court, but stated by Van Touch insufficient information. "Actually, they announced only that an investigation has started," says Van Tap. "They are pristine with no word on whether the contents of the report is true, so it should do its homework." From Touch would also like that the State explain what impact it has that Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has said that 'irreparable damage' has been in the relationship between Aruba and the Netherlands.
Last week a leaked confidential report of the Dutch Representation in Oranjestad from. That was an accident in Aruban hands. In the week were incriminating statements about the Prime Minister, various ministers and their families. Justice Minister Croes was furious and said about intelligence practices in the Netherlands.

No aid emergency debate
The groups want now that the Secretary investigate the leak well before March 3 has completed. On that day there is a General Discussion in the House where the row will be discussed. PVV'er Hero Brinkman believes that time away. He asked today for an emergency debate, but was in addition to Rita Verdonk does not support. "Have we mafia government in Aruba once in blot and then the Court would not talk about," says Brinkman disappointed fixed. From Tap says however: "That makes no sense, because then they can not answer. Her research will still need to be completed. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 05:53:42 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52559.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Minister duplicate permits to boot

10 Feb, 2009, 14:54 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Minister Booshi Wever has the commitment to the softball game on the field of Centro di Bario Brasil where thousands came out for a performance of Le Groove, not comply with the licensing for events. The police therefore took a negative opinion, but after internal consultation with the responsible Minister of General Affairs, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, it was decided that the sporting event could still go through.

The application for the event was made Friday after it appeared that the popular band Le Groove had not managed to qualify for the finals of the Calypso & Road March Contest. The application was submitted by Wever, who is not entitled to a evenementenvergunning orders. Moreover, the policy that applications ten days in advance must be sent. The police dismissed the application, therefore, but after a conversation with Oduber was decided that the softball tournament that was to raise funds, should go by. This action by a band as usual in this type of event, said police.
SAC stretched Saturday at the end of the afternoon, however, interim measures to make known the same time the tournament with a free jam 'which was organized not only Le Groove but also six other music bands would occur. This was on the radio and via SMS stadiums of jason@8-productions.com published. Other SMS with the message 'ban boycott calypso & road march "were distributed.
The police agreed to SAC because they are public order and safety of two major events could not guarantee. The judge showed Saturday, as yesterday in this newspaper was no decision can be made because the written authorization would be ready until Monday. SAC was therefore inadmissible. However, the court issued an opinion that would have been if the court a verdict had to react. There was, according to the court no longer a sporting event, but a competitive event. And to no risk in respect of public order, the court did rely on the organization to the sporting events to be without the shows.
The session was suspended and the lawyer of SAC was at that time a mediation attempt. That was rejected by the organization which Le Groove and other musicians later that evening occurred. The police, the organization ultimately still a fine because the event in the field of Brasil might last until midnight, but only at four o'clock in the morning ended.
SAC has not yet decided whether to return to the court proceedings, after the permit is issued for example, damages to be claimed.
 
   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 05:59:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52558.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Nearly 6 million florin for container scanner
 
10 Feb, 2009, 14:50 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/10-aruba-container-scan.gif) 
From left to right Gerardo Oduber Minister Nilo Swaen and Maureen Allen that the papers to buy a scanner for customs sign.
Oranjestad - Aruba will scan a container for a value of nearly 6 million florin. Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs Nilo Swaen, Gerardo Oduber, President of the Board of Directors of Development Fund Desaroyo Aruba (FDA) and Maureen Allen Secure Solutions Inc.. signed yesterday the contract was signed.

It is part of the FDA-project under the National Security 2008-2012 which was published that a container-scanning device for customs purchased. Customs Corps chose to buy this container scan, as incoming and outgoing shipping containers are adequately and effectively it can be controlled. This version would be the most modern.
FDA Implementation of the project is awarded to the Canadian company Secure Solutions Inc.. The scan itself is made by Smiths Detection, a company that specializes in protection technology for government. It is part of Smiths Group, which is registered in Watford, England. Secure Solutions Inc.. has the same type of scan, amongst other things, to the Bahamas and Barbados and for which countries the maintenance.
The signing was also the Director and other representatives of AIB Bank, members of the staff of Economic Affairs and customs there. FDA is under the Department of Policy and Programs of the said bank. Meanwhile, FDA since 2002 in a total amount of 222 million florin spent in various projects.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 10, 2009, 06:01:36 PM
I wish I had a "milliard" dollars!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 06:20:52 PM
O/T

Johan,
I hope you will watch this program with Marlies family and post something about it. 

I wish I could watch it!   ::MonkeyWaa::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3445.new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 10, 2009, 06:34:25 PM
Hendrik (H. S.) Croes was the attorney for Valero Refining

Is he related to

Glenbert Croes and Gilberto Croes Jr
Gilberto (Betico) F. Croes Leader of the Government of Aruba for more than 12 years


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2009, 07:02:09 PM
TONIGHT ON DANA PRETZER:

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Pretzer021009.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: johan555 on February 10, 2009, 07:03:01 PM
O/T

Johan,
I hope you will watch this program with Marlies family and post something about it. 

I wish I could watch it!   ::MonkeyWaa::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3445.new

oh thanks TM is there any news ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 10, 2009, 07:05:15 PM
Hendrik (H. S.) Croes was the attorney for Valero Refining

Is he related to

Glenbert Croes and Gilberto Croes Jr
Gilberto (Betico) F. Croes Leader of the Government of Aruba for more than 12 years

If Jr means "son of" wouldn't that make him their uncle?  Along with Rudy?

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 10, 2009, 07:06:09 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52556.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Drugs in drinking

10 Feb, 2009, 14:49 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A 26-year-old from Iran coming tourist MS had to be transported to the hospital after a drug in her drink had done. Last Saturday chaired the bather a drink tequilla when an unknown man in her came to a chat. After a while, felt S. are unwell. When the police arrived the victim had been taken to hospital for treatment of her complaints. The next day S. together with her husband to the police in order to make a statement. The matter is further investigated.



And that's the end of that story.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 10, 2009, 07:08:47 PM
Hendrik (H. S.) Croes was the attorney for Valero Refining

Is he related to

Glenbert Croes and Gilberto Croes Jr
Gilberto (Betico) F. Croes Leader of the Government of Aruba for more than 12 years

If Jr means "son of" wouldn't that make him their uncle?  Along with Rudy?

.

I would believe so.Hendrik is Rudy's brother.IIRC


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 10, 2009, 07:16:07 PM
DENGUE/DHF UPDATE 2009 (07)
***************************
A ProMED-mail post
<http://www.promedmail.org>
ProMED-mail is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases
<http://www.isid.org>

In this update:
[1] Trinidad
[2] French Guiana
[3] Brazil (Minas Gerais)
[4] Brazil (Mato Grosso)
[5] Brazil (Acre)
[6] Brazil (Bahia)
[7] Brazil (Rio de Janeiro)
[8] Bolivia
[9] Peru

******
[1] Trinidad
Date: Sun 25 Jan 2009
Source: Trinidad & Tobago Express [edited]
<http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=161429596>


The incidence of dengue, which is quoted as 182 per 100 000 [population],
represents the cumulative incidence as of the end of week 37 [8-14 Sep] of
2008 (WHO, 2008). If there were 3832 reported cases at the end of week 52
[22-28 Dec 2008], then a conservative estimate of this disease's cumulative
incidence for 2008 would be around 293 new cases for 100 000 of the population.

In 2002, WHO's estimate of this country's cumulative incidence was 480 new
cases for 100 000. For 2002, of all the countries in the Americas, only
Brazil and Honduras recorded more new cases of dengue than Trinidad. By
week 37 of 2008, again Trinidad and Tobago was 2nd only to Brazil in this
regard.

The case fatality rate for this preventable infection was estimated to be
1.26 per cent (WHO, 2008). This tells us that roughly 48 persons quite
likely would have died from dengue in this country during 2008 using the
ministry's figures.

In 2007, PAHO [Pan American Health Organisation] member states in the
region adopted Resolution CSP27.R151, which urged that dengue be considered
a "problem that reaches beyond the health sector". Thus PAHO/WHO have
sought to promote the implementation of their "Integrated Management
Strategy for Dengue Prevention and Control (IMS-dengue)" within member
countries, focusing on the conditioning factors associated with the social
determinants of this disease such as, uncontrolled or planned urbanisation,
environmental degradation, the lack of a reliable water supply, improper
solid waste disposal, and the growing presence of dumps filled with
discarded junk, tyres, and plastic containers."

Dengue has been on the rise for 25 years in the region of the Americas,
with cyclical epidemic outbreaks every 3-5 years, the last major one
occurring in 2002, with more than one million cases reported.

The PAHO/WHO report states that "to date, 14 countries in the Hemisphere
have prepared their national IMS-dengue." The only Caribbean country on
that list is the Dominican Republic!
[byline: Steve Smith][/color]
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Must be sort of like crime in Aruba.  Just don't report it and it doesn't exist.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 07:20:26 PM
O/T

Johan,
I hope you will watch this program with Marlies family and post something about it. 

I wish I could watch it!   ::MonkeyWaa::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3445.new

oh thanks TM is there any news ?

Johan,
From what I understand the program will be shown on the 16th, and the trial will begin on the 17th.  That's all I've heard recently.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: johan555 on February 10, 2009, 07:26:11 PM
thanks mom do you know were that trial is ? bonaire  curacao ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 07:41:49 PM
thanks mom do you know were that trial is ? bonaire  curacao ?

I believe it said the family has traveled to Bonaire for the trial.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 08:16:53 PM
Hendrik (H. S.) Croes was the attorney for Valero Refining

Is he related to

Glenbert Croes and Gilberto Croes Jr
Gilberto (Betico) F. Croes Leader of the Government of Aruba for more than 12 years

http://www.historiadiaruba.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=37&lang=en

snip:
In the government declaration of the Evertsz cabinet, centralization and constitutional structure were emphasized; Hendrik Croes, Betico's brother, became minister, in charge of the Department of Constitutional Affairs of the Islands.
snip


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 08:29:59 PM
Research posted by caesu:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367294#msg367294

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #506 on: March 20, 2008, 07:27:07 PM »

Quote
Hendrik (H. S.) Croes has studied law.
he must have, because he is landsadvocaat (attorney for the government).
around 1979 he was justice minister for the Dutch Antilles (before 1986 aruba was part of the country Dutch Antilles.)
http://www.reclassering.org/index.php?page_id=27&style_id=0  "toenmalige minister van justitie, mr. H.S. Croes"

so now we have justice minister rudy croes and landsadvocaat hendrik croes.
doesn't sound right to me. in some countries it isn't even allowed to have next of kin to the 2nd degree being member of parliament.
seems to me that hendrik croes gives rudy croes directions.

also found that hendrik croes is named in the cargo-affair.
http://ikregeer.nl/static/pdf/KVR3597.pdf dutch parlaiment asked questions about this in 1996.
this is related to the irt-affair. major drugs smuggling affair by the police themselves.
in an earlier article investigators were asked by then dutch-aruban procureur generaal Zwinkels not to question Rudy Croes because he might became justice minister again. i doubt they questioned his brother Hendrik either...
http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba
http://www.groene.nl/1996/39/De_aruba-affaire

here is a report by the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) visiting Aruba to check on news of mistreatment in KIA.

Quote
A. Governmental authorities

    Mr. J.H.M. Zwinkels - Attorney General

    Mr. B. Vocking - Deputy Director, Aruba Correctional Institute

    Ms. C. van den Berg - Head of the Rehabilitation and Child Welfare Council

    Ms. Y. Spellen - Director, Guardianship Board

    Mr. J. van de Straten - Head of the National Bureau of Investigations

    Mr. L. Rasmijn - Police Commissioner

    Mr. E. Bennet - Head of the Airport Immigration Authorities

    Mr. R. Martus - Inspector of Police

    Ms. A. Peterson - Department of Foreign Affairs Liaison officer to the CPT
Rasmijn en Zwinkels were involved with IRT / Cargo-affair. (see both groene amsterdammer-articles)
also note J van de(r) Straten. didn't know he was already there around that time???
but it is a very common name. but as Head of the National Bureau of Investigations
he must have been involved too with IRT/Cargo-affair.
does this mean he has stuff on Rudy/Hendrik Croes? or on eachother? or even Hirsch Ballin? (had to resign because of IRT-affair.
i repeat this IRT-affair was huge.

i've got a few books and websites bookmarked still to read/scroll through.
but same names keep popping up constantly.
this book seems especially interesting:
http://www.aup.nl/do.php?a=show_visitor_book&isbn=9053564675&l=1

zwinkels was prosecutor under resort 's hertogenbosch - procureur generaal there was gonsalves.
but then i think i am getting way to far. because gonsalves is a very shady person.
he 'supposedly' butchered many people of the Dani-tribe in papau-new-guinea in the 50s. killed people on the spot.
he was called 'godshelves' or 'gunsalvo'. but never got convicted for this.
there is even a gonsalves-price awarded each year now for people who did good work for justice.
after hirsch ballin resigned because of irt-affair the gonsalves-murders came up due to research of a tv-program.
the next justice minister kosto didn't see reason to take action.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolph_Gonsalves
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Gonsalvesprijs
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aad_Kosto
 
 
 
 




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 08:33:53 PM
More research posted by caesu:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.860

 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #762 6/30 -
« Reply #871 on: July 06, 2008, 12:05:41 PM »

Quote
this hit-and-run of Hendrik Croes was reported in Dutch newspapers.
there was said that Rudy and Hendrik are brothers.
also in the Aruban papers.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/article514116.ece/Oud-minister_Aruba_vast_om_aanrijden_agent?service=Print

but i am still unsure about when Hendrik was exactly justice minister.
at least from 1989. but i don't know when Rudy took over from him. in 2005? i doubt that now.
but in more other articles i read that Rudy was already justice minister before 2004, already in 1993 even.

Rudy's initials are H. R. (Hyacinto Rudolf or Rudolfus).
and Hendrik's are H. S.

here my earlier research on Hendrik:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367294#msg367294

and on Rudy:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367223#msg367223


here article about the Croes family:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article191211.ece

also mentioned is Glenbert Croes, a son of Betico.
he started his own party. let to a family feud. a fight for Betico's legacy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 08:37:54 PM
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article191211.ece

Google translation:

Print Version
REPORT, From our reporter Stieven Ramdharie
published on 04 January 2005 02:24, updated 19:56

ORANGE CITY - 2005, the year of reconciliation in the family Croes, Aruba's prominent political family. For years the heirs of the late roles Betico Croes streets. But this is changing.

The man with the wrong friends in the business? Is this friendly and jovial young man, once the subject of dispute between Aruba and the Cabinet-Cook, the enfant terrible of the Aruban politics?

"It just created spirits, bezweert the eldest son of Aruba's most famous politician Betico late Croes, light lunch. "The security forces created a political monster of me."

Barely 38 years, he and Glen Bert Croes has been a hectic life as Deputy Prime Minister and parliament sitting. Plenty taunted by his political enemies, including his uncles, because of alleged contacts with dubious businessmen and tinkering with public projects when he was Minister of Transport. A family drama ', so called Betico's oldest brother Henry, also a former minister, the much discussed trade and walk of his nephew.

But in 2005, when the ballot goes to Aruba, the year of twinning in the most prominent political family on the island. For ten years, the brothers and the two sons of Betico diametrically opposed.

"We are working on a reünificatie," says Justice Minister Rudy Croes (58), the younger brother of Betico. Glen Bert has changed, he is calmer. " Glen Bert: "We are working hard, it was time."

They already living 370 years on the island, the olive-branches Croes, but as much political struggle in recent years, Aruba's first Familiy never before. Since Glen Bert, who is supported by his younger brother Junior, early nineties the MEP party of his father and uncles had toekeerde after a dispute over his political ambitions, the hommeles in the family.

Thanks Glen Bert Liberal Party splinter OLA, the AVP of the Eman-family, the arch enemies of the MEP, in the nineties politics dominate. Polarization and family ties are crucial components in the Aruban political life where it is used to accuse each other of corruption, mismanagement and abuse of power. In this sense, the leading Croes reunification a spicy development.

All will be much pronounced. "We should not forget that Glen Bert or years in the government Eman Saturday, stressed Prime Minister and MEP leader Nelson Oduber. These were the years when Glen Bert as a minister in the close was due to irregularities in large construction projects such as expansion of the airport.

The Court accused Glen Bert when "unauthorized and uncontrollable act. It was also the time that Aruba was known as a drug haven.

Was not Glen Bert who strongly opposed the extradition to the U.S. of two cousins of Mansur, one of the richest families of Aruba, which were suspected of laundering Colombian drug money? On two occasions refused the governor, because of the close links of the Glen Bert Mansur, his appointment as minister.

"Unfortunately, the people behind the OLA guys who were in contact with justice," says Uncle Rudy who speaks on Betico seems. "But that time is behind us." 'Very difficult', called Glen Bert the split in the family. "If we had treated each other differently, the OLA was never established. I always wanted to be MEP. Who knows, this reunification is also a political significance. "

Croes will ever again go leyden MEP?

Prime Minister Oduber: "They are the largest family here. So chances are that my successor Croes hot. "

Glen Bert: "I am the party of my father leyden. Minister I do not anymore. I am better with my mouth with my hands. "
   
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 08:42:21 PM
I should have translated that article first.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks caesu!   ::MonkeyDance::  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 10, 2009, 09:28:30 PM
Kinda quiet tonight!
I am heartened to see that Joran is pretty much reviled in The Netherlands!! (The articles about Joran and his poker addiction where they describe him as "the killer" of Natalee and the poll of school children)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 09:52:40 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52556.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Drugs in drinking

10 Feb, 2009, 14:49 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A 26-year-old from Iran coming tourist MS had to be transported to the hospital after a drug in her drink had done. Last Saturday chaired the bather a drink tequilla when an unknown man in her came to a chat. After a while, felt S. are unwell. When the police arrived the victim had been taken to hospital for treatment of her complaints. The next day S. together with her husband to the police in order to make a statement. The matter is further investigated.



It does not matter how Arlene Ellis-Schipper and Steve Cohen try to spin it for the sake of the Aruban economy ... Dave Holloway witnessed the REAL Aurba shortly after his arrival on the Island.  Even Joe Tacopina told it how it was.

Janet

+++++++


NANCY GRACE
What Did Deepak Kalpoe Tell Investigators?
Aired December 1, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN TASK FORCE SPOKESPERSON: Well, the task force is a combination of concerned people of Aruba, as well as the government. And what we are doing is actually constantly monitoring this case and finding and promoting the truth and stimulating everything, from both support to the family...

(CROSSTALK)

DIANE DIMOND, GUEST HOST: But it`s not just -- you don`t speak for the police and the prosecution.

SCHIPPER: No.

DIMOND: You also speak for the merchants and the hotel operators on the island?

SCHIPPER: I do.

(CROSSTALK)

DIMOND: Don`t you think that`s a little bit in conflict there?

SCHIPPER: No.

DIMOND: I mean, aren`t we after the truth and not really worrying what the hotel managers want?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/01/ng.01.html


DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2005


Steve Cohen, special advisor to Aruba, came on the show hoping for a chance to talk to Beth about where the investigation stands today. Dr. Phil turns to Steve. "So, you're a paid consultant?" he asks.

"That's correct," Steve replies.

"And, who pays you?" Dr. Phil probes.

"I'm actually paid by the tourism industry, which is the Aruban Tourism Authority, and also a group called AHACA, which is an association of hotel owners on the island."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=3041&slide=4&showID=



A SAFE ARUBA?

Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise

Page 9:

In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.


Page 10:
While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist ...

I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.


Page 16
During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s ...

Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.


Joe Tacopina
On the Record with Greta
May 17, 2006


VAN SUSTEREN: Booty is someone who hangs out on the beach, made a live on the beach. Someone who I have been told has a criminal history. He is there sometimes at night…has access to a boat, is the brother in law of Gerald Dompig.

TACOPINA: And…most importantly, he had a hut on the beach and he showed us where it was that had a direct shot into the room stayed at that night.  We were there…the beach that he lived in, I mean literally stayed on this beach out there. What you have to understand this climate permits something like that. It’s just a cover and that’s where he stayed.


Chaperone knows tragedy's effects will linger in hearts
Adults on trip stayed visible but Mountain Brook grads were given rein, teacher recalls

Sunday, May 28, 2006
CAROL ROBINSON
News staff writer


There was much talk after Natalee's disappearance that seven chaperones weren't sufficient for 130 graduates. "Most people didn't understand when we went down there, we were mostly there for an emergency, and we held their passports," he said. "It was made apparent they were on their own."

The chaperones, he said, stayed at the Holiday Inn resort the entire trip, leaving only one time for about two hours to go downtown to shop for T-shirts. The adults met with the teens daily around 11:30 a.m., reminding them to be careful.

"We just wanted to be there, be visible at all times," he said.

Plummer said only one incident stood out in his mind, and that was early during their stay. Some of the kids were being too loud in the hotel, so the chaperones told them to take it to the beach.  Another hotel guest sought out (Bob) Plummer and warned him that a man was on the beach trying to sell drugs to the students.

"I just asked him to leave them alone," Plummer said. "He went ballistic and threatened to slash me up."

Plummer called the police, and met with the hotel manager on the day they left to express his concerns about the incident

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/114880791244790.xml&coll=2



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 10, 2009, 10:27:31 PM
Hey Monkeys... Could You Please Pray for People in Texas who are having Very Bad Storms right now......I will check back in later when the worst is over... provided I have power......TIA 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 10, 2009, 10:30:18 PM
Hey Monkeys... Could You Please Pray for People in Texas who are having Very Bad Storms right now......I will check back in later when the worst is over... provided I have power......TIA 


PRAYERS FOR TEXAS AND HOTPING..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 10, 2009, 10:32:04 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52556.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Drugs in drinking

10 Feb, 2009, 14:49 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A 26-year-old from Iran coming tourist MS had to be transported to the hospital after a drug in her drink had done. Last Saturday chaired the bather a drink tequilla when an unknown man in her came to a chat. After a while, felt S. are unwell. When the police arrived the victim had been taken to hospital for treatment of her complaints. The next day S. together with her husband to the police in order to make a statement. The matter is further investigated.



It does not matter how Arlene Ellis-Schipper and Steve Cohen try to spin it for the sake of the Aruban economy ... Dave Holloway witnessed the REAL Aurba shortly after his arrival on the Island.  Even Joe Tacopina told it how it was.

Janet

+++++++


NANCY GRACE
What Did Deepak Kalpoe Tell Investigators?
Aired December 1, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN TASK FORCE SPOKESPERSON: Well, the task force is a combination of concerned people of Aruba, as well as the government. And what we are doing is actually constantly monitoring this case and finding and promoting the truth and stimulating everything, from both support to the family...

(CROSSTALK)

DIANE DIMOND, GUEST HOST: But it`s not just -- you don`t speak for the police and the prosecution.

SCHIPPER: No.

DIMOND: You also speak for the merchants and the hotel operators on the island?

SCHIPPER: I do.

(CROSSTALK)

DIMOND: Don`t you think that`s a little bit in conflict there?

SCHIPPER: No.

DIMOND: I mean, aren`t we after the truth and not really worrying what the hotel managers want?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/01/ng.01.html


DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2005


Steve Cohen, special advisor to Aruba, came on the show hoping for a chance to talk to Beth about where the investigation stands today. Dr. Phil turns to Steve. "So, you're a paid consultant?" he asks.

"That's correct," Steve replies.

"And, who pays you?" Dr. Phil probes.

"I'm actually paid by the tourism industry, which is the Aruban Tourism Authority, and also a group called AHACA, which is an association of hotel owners on the island."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=3041&slide=4&showID=



A SAFE ARUBA?

Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise

Page 9:

In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.


Page 10:
While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist ...

I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.


Page 16
During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s ...

Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.


Joe Tacopina
On the Record with Greta
May 17, 2006


VAN SUSTEREN: Booty is someone who hangs out on the beach, made a live on the beach. Someone who I have been told has a criminal history. He is there sometimes at night…has access to a boat, is the brother in law of Gerald Dompig.

TACOPINA: And…most importantly, he had a hut on the beach and he showed us where it was that had a direct shot into the room stayed at that night.  We were there…the beach that he lived in, I mean literally stayed on this beach out there. What you have to understand this climate permits something like that. It’s just a cover and that’s where he stayed.


Chaperone knows tragedy's effects will linger in hearts
Adults on trip stayed visible but Mountain Brook grads were given rein, teacher recalls

Sunday, May 28, 2006
CAROL ROBINSON
News staff writer


There was much talk after Natalee's disappearance that seven chaperones weren't sufficient for 130 graduates. "Most people didn't understand when we went down there, we were mostly there for an emergency, and we held their passports," he said. "It was made apparent they were on their own."

The chaperones, he said, stayed at the Holiday Inn resort the entire trip, leaving only one time for about two hours to go downtown to shop for T-shirts. The adults met with the teens daily around 11:30 a.m., reminding them to be careful.

"We just wanted to be there, be visible at all times," he said.

Plummer said only one incident stood out in his mind, and that was early during their stay. Some of the kids were being too loud in the hotel, so the chaperones told them to take it to the beach.  Another hotel guest sought out (Bob) Plummer and warned him that a man was on the beach trying to sell drugs to the students.

"I just asked him to leave them alone," Plummer said. "He went ballistic and threatened to slash me up."

Plummer called the police, and met with the hotel manager on the day they left to express his concerns about the incident

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/114880791244790.xml&coll=2


It is actually very sad that our State Department hasn't embraced Natalee's case and demanded justice for an American citizen. The ugly underbelly of aruba is just inches below the surface, and any visitor thinking they are in paradise and safe are truly just a heartbeat away from serious injury or death in any confrontation with aruba's seedier population. On the one hand, those that promote aruba tourism just seem to barely tolerate American visitors for the money they spend, but it is clear a large majority of arubans outside the tourism industry are raised in a culture of contempt for americans. The polis, OM, and ruling party turn nasty right away when something goes wrong with a tourist on the one happy island, and God forbid that any tourist has to turn to them for help. They will all mobilize against the victim and their family anyone who tries to get justice for the victim/family. MHOO....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 10:34:23 PM
Hey Monkeys... Could You Please Pray for People in Texas who are having Very Bad Storms right now......I will check back in later when the worst is over... provided I have power......TIA 


PRAYERS FOR TEXAS AND HOTPING..

Stay safe hotping!!!!  We are supposed to get some of the bad storms too, but so far everything's o.k. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 10:37:10 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52556.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Drugs in drinking

10 Feb, 2009, 14:49 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A 26-year-old from Iran coming tourist MS had to be transported to the hospital after a drug in her drink had done. Last Saturday chaired the bather a drink tequilla when an unknown man in her came to a chat. After a while, felt S. are unwell. When the police arrived the victim had been taken to hospital for treatment of her complaints. The next day S. together with her husband to the police in order to make a statement. The matter is further investigated.



It does not matter how Arlene Ellis-Schipper and Steve Cohen try to spin it for the sake of the Aruban economy ... Dave Holloway witnessed the REAL Aurba shortly after his arrival on the Island.  Even Joe Tacopina told it how it was.

Janet

+++++++


NANCY GRACE
What Did Deepak Kalpoe Tell Investigators?
Aired December 1, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN TASK FORCE SPOKESPERSON: Well, the task force is a combination of concerned people of Aruba, as well as the government. And what we are doing is actually constantly monitoring this case and finding and promoting the truth and stimulating everything, from both support to the family...

(CROSSTALK)

DIANE DIMOND, GUEST HOST: But it`s not just -- you don`t speak for the police and the prosecution.

SCHIPPER: No.

DIMOND: You also speak for the merchants and the hotel operators on the island?

SCHIPPER: I do.

(CROSSTALK)

DIMOND: Don`t you think that`s a little bit in conflict there?

SCHIPPER: No.

DIMOND: I mean, aren`t we after the truth and not really worrying what the hotel managers want?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/01/ng.01.html


DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2005


Steve Cohen, special advisor to Aruba, came on the show hoping for a chance to talk to Beth about where the investigation stands today. Dr. Phil turns to Steve. "So, you're a paid consultant?" he asks.

"That's correct," Steve replies.

"And, who pays you?" Dr. Phil probes.

"I'm actually paid by the tourism industry, which is the Aruban Tourism Authority, and also a group called AHACA, which is an association of hotel owners on the island."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=3041&slide=4&showID=



A SAFE ARUBA?

Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise

Page 9:

In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.


Page 10:
While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist ...

I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.


Page 16
During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s ...

Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.


Joe Tacopina
On the Record with Greta
May 17, 2006


VAN SUSTEREN: Booty is someone who hangs out on the beach, made a live on the beach. Someone who I have been told has a criminal history. He is there sometimes at night…has access to a boat, is the brother in law of Gerald Dompig.

TACOPINA: And…most importantly, he had a hut on the beach and he showed us where it was that had a direct shot into the room stayed at that night.  We were there…the beach that he lived in, I mean literally stayed on this beach out there. What you have to understand this climate permits something like that. It’s just a cover and that’s where he stayed.


Chaperone knows tragedy's effects will linger in hearts
Adults on trip stayed visible but Mountain Brook grads were given rein, teacher recalls

Sunday, May 28, 2006
CAROL ROBINSON
News staff writer


There was much talk after Natalee's disappearance that seven chaperones weren't sufficient for 130 graduates. "Most people didn't understand when we went down there, we were mostly there for an emergency, and we held their passports," he said. "It was made apparent they were on their own."

The chaperones, he said, stayed at the Holiday Inn resort the entire trip, leaving only one time for about two hours to go downtown to shop for T-shirts. The adults met with the teens daily around 11:30 a.m., reminding them to be careful.

"We just wanted to be there, be visible at all times," he said.

Plummer said only one incident stood out in his mind, and that was early during their stay. Some of the kids were being too loud in the hotel, so the chaperones told them to take it to the beach.  Another hotel guest sought out (Bob) Plummer and warned him that a man was on the beach trying to sell drugs to the students.

"I just asked him to leave them alone," Plummer said. "He went ballistic and threatened to slash me up."

Plummer called the police, and met with the hotel manager on the day they left to express his concerns about the incident

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/114880791244790.xml&coll=2


It is actually very sad that our State Department hasn't embraced Natalee's case and demanded justice for an American citizen. The ugly underbelly of aruba is just inches below the surface, and any visitor thinking they are in paradise and safe are truly just a heartbeat away from serious injury or death in any confrontation with aruba's seedier population. On the one hand, those that promote aruba tourism just seem to barely tolerate American visitors for the money they spend, but it is clear a large majority of arubans outside the tourism industry are raised in a culture of contempt for americans. The polis, OM, and ruling party turn nasty right away when something goes wrong with a tourist on the one happy island, and God forbid that any tourist has to turn to them for help. They will all mobilize against the victim and their family anyone who tries to get justice for the victim/family. MHOO....

I agree billb.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 10, 2009, 10:37:57 PM
Hey Monkeys... Could You Please Pray for People in Texas who are having Very Bad Storms right now......I will check back in later when the worst is over... provided I have power......TIA 


PRAYERS FOR TEXAS AND HOTPING..

Stay safe hotping!!!!  We are supposed to get some of the bad storms too, but so far everything's o.k. 

PRAYERS FOR TM....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 10, 2009, 10:40:17 PM
I've been on this OIL thing but have never lost sight of J2k and Paulus.Why would Aruba protect Paulus to all ends of the Earth.That i still don't understand.Would it not have been cheaper,as well as easier to get RID of the problem,and or problems??Seriously.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 10, 2009, 10:43:03 PM
Hey Monkeys... Could You Please Pray for People in Texas who are having Very Bad Storms right now......I will check back in later when the worst is over... provided I have power......TIA 


PRAYERS FOR TEXAS AND HOTPING..

Stay safe hotping!!!!  We are supposed to get some of the bad storms too, but so far everything's o.k. 
They are just hitting me in Dallas!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 10:43:52 PM
I know this will be shocking for some, and I apologize for that.  But I think it's important to see just how sick some of the "anti-socials" are on that island.  What did this poor man do to deserve such humiliation?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

2/11/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

ordo & prosperidad owing to stay at where??

man atraca y let sunu behind the crudo realidad of crimen at aruba yesterday afternoon, autoridadnan policial owing to being avisa cu at santa cruz, at height of hubo in cura of one cas, have one person sleep, without cloths part abao of his curpa y is lora in wire cu have one cacho mara at dje. in first instant is show cu the person here is as one person bad y/of sober. the not can owing to stop on his pianan. but thing have indicacion, cu the person here owing to become victima of atraco, where anti-socialnan owing to atak’e, bay cu his cartera y another pertenencianan y after of the bati’e, owing to lagu’e throw in cura near of his cacho. the person here of surname d. live his only. police owing to dicidi of avisa ambulance, for transporta the person here for hospital, assure if see his condicion, where the is show of some hour or day eybao throw. the cacho, cu is his mihor amigo, not was wanted for none person aserca he here. but polisnan in form tactico owing to libera he for of the cacho y owing to send hospital.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 10:44:53 PM
Hey Monkeys... Could You Please Pray for People in Texas who are having Very Bad Storms right now......I will check back in later when the worst is over... provided I have power......TIA 


PRAYERS FOR TEXAS AND HOTPING..

Stay safe hotping!!!!  We are supposed to get some of the bad storms too, but so far everything's o.k. 
They are just hitting me in Dallas!

Stay safe wreck!  I'm saying a prayer for you now!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 10, 2009, 10:45:46 PM
Hey Monkeys... Could You Please Pray for People in Texas who are having Very Bad Storms right now......I will check back in later when the worst is over... provided I have power......TIA 


PRAYERS FOR TEXAS AND HOTPING..

Stay safe hotping!!!!  We are supposed to get some of the bad storms too, but so far everything's o.k. 
They are just hitting me in Dallas!

Hope all is well Wreck and stay safe!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 10:50:18 PM
2/11/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

valero cu 100 thousand guilder for aruba hospitality & security foundation aruba hospitality & security foundation have some year end activo treciendo seguridad in comunidad aruban. so we conoce also one visibility team solido cu is haciendo one tremendo trabao for we island. recientemente valero aruba refinery owing to haci one beautiful donacion of awg 100.000 at aruba hospitality & security foundation, so contribuyendo n’e trabao cu the fundacion is haci actualmente for san nicolas y becindario. present during the entrega here was sr. paul arends, agent of valero aruba refinery, y sr. roland peterson, acolyte of aruba hospitality & security foundation. aruba hospitality & security foundation owing to cuminsa cu the proyecto of visibility team at year 2002. by year 2005 visibility team also owing to cuminsa opera in the barionan of san nicolas treciendo trankilidad east of bridge. for can help the proyecto of san nicolas, valero aruba refinery is haci the contribucion generoso here come across. valero aruba refinery is achieve the aim of aruba hospitality & security foundation uno much good y is aplaudi the fundacion p’e trabao ehemplar. one word of elogio y gratitud is bay also at valero aruba refinery cu the beautiful gesture here. one contribucion siguramente necesario p’asina stay sigura comunidad of san nicolas they seguridad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 10, 2009, 11:03:35 PM
Hey Monkeys... Could You Please Pray for People in Texas who are having Very Bad Storms right now......I will check back in later when the worst is over... provided I have power......TIA 


PRAYERS FOR TEXAS AND HOTPING..

Stay safe hotping!!!!  We are supposed to get some of the bad storms too, but so far everything's o.k. 
They are just hitting me in Dallas!

Hope all is well Wreck and stay safe!
Thanks!
The worst appears over (60 mph winds) -- still raining a little!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2009, 11:06:19 PM
I hope someone will find a better translation of this story. 

I don't understand it all but it's shocking to me how many faces from early in the case are all popping back in the picture now!

2/11/2009 Awe Mainta Page Front page and Page 3

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

for place one paro at inhusticia in cuerpo policial much is miembronan of spa cu wanted see eric zaandam asumi responsabilidad of the sindicato fuera of one cantidad of acolyte, but now even have acolyte of directiva, cu do not nothing contento cu maneho of sindicato of police, till cu owing to dicidi of aserca eric zaandam, cu the peticion p’e go back take timon of spa. the diferencianan of opinion here do not of today, but for of some day end, where have miembronan of directiva is cla for entrega they retiro y convoca one meeting general, cu the aim for eligi one directiva new, y if can, let the directiva old of spa, encabesa for eric zaandam go back at cabez. the intencion is for at month of april now, convoca one meeting general cu the aim ey. all the disgust here have of haci, cu spa his directiva, encabesa for miguel maduro is demasiado keto, assure after of the accionnan conhunto cu sindicato in accion, cu owing to fight for ahustacion of salary.y after of this not owing to hear nothing more. siendo cu have much acolyte is of opinion cu have very promocion wanta, y directiva do not haci nothing y do not let hear nothing of they. therefore.e. for thing owing to happen in ultimo end of week, where one minister, esta drs. booshi wever is break all regulation for give one permission for one actividad, where owing to wait for cu spa will owing to stop y show alto comisario, cu the not have to sucumbi for presion of gobernantenan cu is viola they own regulation. is as alto comisario peter de witte self owing to declara, past owing to give conseho negative on the acontecimento cu minister drs. booshi wever owing to ask for organisa, but after of owing to consulta cu the autoridad cu can give vergunning, cu is first minister, nel oduber, that is encarga cu orden publico, that owing to tell de witte for tog give such permission, if polisnan have one sindicato strong stop they slow, they will owing to open they mouth also. fuera of have several promocion wanta, have one are of police cu is pendiente the curso of llo cu will bay cuminsa y so the polisnan here maybe tomorrow sub inspector or inspector of police. have 90 for 95 police cu owing to solicita for bay the curso of llo, but for surprise is 35 only, owing to wordo calling for participa in the combersacion of selección. of the 35 polisnan here, 18 is wordo take, for form part of llo. the disgust of esnan cu owing to stay afo, is debi cu owing to give pit for polisnan more young cu they, siendo cu not have as they become sub inspector in one future sercano. this is causando one disgust very big self. for colmo now is resulta cu minister of husticia, rudy croes is poniendo presion for 3 of his amigonan, cu is form part of his cuerpo of guarda-espalda, have to is in the are for before form one class of 21 cu will follow the curso of llo. have version even, cu rudy croes owing to menasa alto comisario peter de witte, cu if the not percura for “su hendenan”, then the not can stay the proximo 4 añanan at command policial. much police is hayando miss of eric zaandam, that not was sconde his opinion y will stop duro for inhusticia. y that assure will not permiti p’esnan cu have derecho of bay the curso, llo for become inspector of police, cu others cu minister wanted impone, the will not permiti this. y zaandam will owing to stop on cu all esnan cu have to owing to on sub inspector, will have cu become sub inspector. because the directiva anterior, together cu ronny bernadina wanted owing to introduci the funcion of sub inspector, where the police will have one garantia for they carera policial. y pesey today much t’esnan cu wanted see return of eric zaandam y soon, for stop all the bagamunderianan here. in the ultimo eleccion for one directiva new of spa, was one are of police young, cu owing to boga for cambio, but today is convenci cu they owing to haci one aberration y wanted coregi this now. more still, cu proximamente, según informacion cu chairman of spa, miguel maduro will owing to expresa of descend cu pensioen adelanta. police in his majority is feel they self defrauda cu the actual directiva of spa, because is much promocion have stick y provided that especial the llo here “caida” of cuerpo policial, if the not wordo fix.



comisario trudy hassell owing to cuminsa work, but not have office still y is sit in one gang at santa cruz comisario trudy hassell did take over the tareanan of ex comisario coisy krozendijk, that oficialmente owing to descend cu pensioen recientemente. but already end problem owing to cuminsa, hour cu trudy hassell practicamente is sit on gang, because the not owing to achieve one office still for can work. have to tell if, cu de facto trudy hassell, owing to cuminsa work end, after of owing to go back for of st. maarten, where past owing to achieve the tarea of minister of husticia, rudy croes for atende cu the problem of gangnan. thing never owing to being haci, after cu past owing to come bek. pakico, is trudy hassell only can tell.pero in same breath owing to being tell also, cu so cu comisario coizy krozendijk descend, cu trudy hassell will take his tareanan. but as menciona, the is sit practicamente on gang, because the not owing to achieve office still. of another near, awemainta have informacion also cu alto comisario peter de witte will wanted haci one cambio, esta for wing comisario dolfi richardson because; comisario encarga cu the part hudicial, y will become the comisario for asuntonan general y consecuentemente trudy hassell will asumi the responsabilidad cu dolfi richardson will let. if this owing to enter at vigor also, do not conoci for we of awemainta.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 10, 2009, 11:31:14 PM
Thanks Monkeys for the Prayers....All is Well here now...The winds were bad but nothing hit the house and We only lost power for about a minute then it came back on....Now there is just rain and lightning....Glad to hear You are OK Wreck...  ::MonkeyCool:: TM.. Beware it is headed Your Way...Stay Safe!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 10, 2009, 11:35:07 PM
Thanks Monkeys for the Prayers....All is Well here now...The winds were bad but nothing hit the house and We only lost power for about a minute then it came back on....Now there is just rain and lightning....Glad to hear You are OK Wreck...  ::MonkeyCool:: TM.. Beware it is headed Your Way...Stay Safe!
Where are you, my kids do not answer in Austin???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 10, 2009, 11:38:34 PM
Thanks Monkeys for the Prayers....All is Well here now...The winds were bad but nothing hit the house and We only lost power for about a minute then it came back on....Now there is just rain and lightning....Glad to hear You are OK Wreck...  ::MonkeyCool:: TM.. Beware it is headed Your Way...Stay Safe!
Where are you, my kids do not answer in Austin???
I'm East of Austin...I have not heard any bad reports out of Austin but they may have lost power there....Give it alittle time and try again hopefully the power will be back on soon for them.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 10, 2009, 11:39:51 PM
Thanks Monkeys for the Prayers....All is Well here now...The winds were bad but nothing hit the house and We only lost power for about a minute then it came back on....Now there is just rain and lightning....Glad to hear You are OK Wreck...  ::MonkeyCool:: TM.. Beware it is headed Your Way...Stay Safe!
Where are you, my kids do not answer in Austin???
I'm East of Austin...I have not heard any bad reports out of Austin but they may have lost power there....Give it alittle time and try again hopefully the power will be back on soon for them.....
Thank you so much, I am a worry wart!!!!  (Sorry for o/t)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 10, 2009, 11:47:50 PM
Thanks Monkeys for the Prayers....All is Well here now...The winds were bad but nothing hit the house and We only lost power for about a minute then it came back on....Now there is just rain and lightning....Glad to hear You are OK Wreck...  ::MonkeyCool:: TM.. Beware it is headed Your Way...Stay Safe!
Where are you, my kids do not answer in Austin???
I'm East of Austin...I have not heard any bad reports out of Austin but they may have lost power there....Give it alittle time and try again hopefully the power will be back on soon for them.....
Thank you so much, I am a worry wart!!!!  (Sorry for o/t)
Lots of trees down in Waco (supposedly) -- it's about half way between Dallas and Austin.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 10, 2009, 11:50:00 PM
Thanks Monkeys for the Prayers....All is Well here now...The winds were bad but nothing hit the house and We only lost power for about a minute then it came back on....Now there is just rain and lightning....Glad to hear You are OK Wreck...  ::MonkeyCool:: TM.. Beware it is headed Your Way...Stay Safe!
Where are you, my kids do not answer in Austin???
I'm East of Austin...I have not heard any bad reports out of Austin but they may have lost power there....Give it alittle time and try again hopefully the power will be back on soon for them.....
Thank you so much, I am a worry wart!!!!  (Sorry for o/t)
Lots of trees down in Waco (supposedly) -- it's about half way between Dallas and Austin.
Thank you Wreck, still calling.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 10, 2009, 11:55:43 PM
Very odd -- no wind, no rain, (I can see the moon) -- but the tornado sirens are blaring!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 10, 2009, 11:57:46 PM
Very odd -- no wind, no rain, (I can see the moon) -- but the tornado sirens are blaring!
Be safe Wreck!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 11, 2009, 12:03:12 AM
No worries -- they are just a little slow on the draw here!  ::MonkeyHaHa::  :smt102 :smt118 :shaking2: :gaah:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 12:05:58 AM
No worries -- they are just a little slow on the draw here!  ::MonkeyHaHa::  :smt102 :smt118 :shaking2: :gaah:

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Well at least you have sirens!   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 11, 2009, 12:13:35 AM
No worries -- they are just a little slow on the draw here!  ::MonkeyHaHa::  :smt102 :smt118 :shaking2: :gaah:

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Well at least you have sirens!   ::MonkeyTongue::
We've got a siren and the only time I have heard it is the 1st Monday of Every Month when they test it.....I guess its a good thing I haven't heard it when a storm is around..... ::MonkeyHaHa:: No kidding TM keep an eye and an ear open for the storms that are heading Your way They are pretty strong....and Scarry!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 11, 2009, 12:15:15 AM
Thanks Monkeys for the Prayers....All is Well here now...The winds were bad but nothing hit the house and We only lost power for about a minute then it came back on....Now there is just rain and lightning....Glad to hear You are OK Wreck...  ::MonkeyCool:: TM.. Beware it is headed Your Way...Stay Safe!
Where are you, my kids do not answer in Austin???
I'm East of Austin...I have not heard any bad reports out of Austin but they may have lost power there....Give it alittle time and try again hopefully the power will be back on soon for them.....
Thank you so much, I am a worry wart!!!!  (Sorry for o/t)
YW A-1.....Let Us know when You get ahold of Them and if They are Alright!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 12:24:54 AM
No worries -- they are just a little slow on the draw here!  ::MonkeyHaHa::  :smt102 :smt118 :shaking2: :gaah:

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Well at least you have sirens!   ::MonkeyTongue::
We've got a siren and the only time I have heard it is the 1st Monday of Every Month when they test it.....I guess its a good thing I haven't heard it when a storm is around..... ::MonkeyHaHa:: No kidding TM keep an eye and an ear open for the storms that are heading Your way They are pretty strong....and Scarry!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyEek::
Yes, it's pretty loud out there now.  I thought I might have heard a jet flying low; but it wasn't a jet!   ::MonkeyShocked::
I knew it was wayyyyyy too hot here today!
 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 11, 2009, 12:27:22 AM
No worries -- they are just a little slow on the draw here!  ::MonkeyHaHa::  :smt102 :smt118 :shaking2: :gaah:

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Well at least you have sirens!   ::MonkeyTongue::
We've got a siren and the only time I have heard it is the 1st Monday of Every Month when they test it.....I guess its a good thing I haven't heard it when a storm is around..... ::MonkeyHaHa:: No kidding TM keep an eye and an ear open for the storms that are heading Your way They are pretty strong....and Scarry!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyEek::
Yes, it's pretty loud out there now.  I thought I might have heard a jet flying low; but it wasn't a jet!   ::MonkeyShocked::
I knew it was wayyyyyy too hot here today!
 ::MonkeyWaa::

The storm is moving very fast.....So hang in there it will be over quickly....My Thoughts and Prayers are with You!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 11, 2009, 12:28:49 AM
Wreck, I'm here checking on you............. are you safe?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 11, 2009, 12:29:58 AM
No worries -- they are just a little slow on the draw here!  ::MonkeyHaHa::  :smt102 :smt118 :shaking2: :gaah:

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Well at least you have sirens!   ::MonkeyTongue::
We've got a siren and the only time I have heard it is the 1st Monday of Every Month when they test it.....I guess its a good thing I haven't heard it when a storm is around..... ::MonkeyHaHa:: No kidding TM keep an eye and an ear open for the storms that are heading Your way They are pretty strong....and Scarry!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyEek::
Yes, it's pretty loud out there now.  I thought I might have heard a jet flying low; but it wasn't a jet!   ::MonkeyShocked::
I knew it was wayyyyyy too hot here today!
 ::MonkeyWaa::


texasmom............are YOU ok???   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 11, 2009, 12:30:42 AM
Wreck, I'm here checking on you............. are you safe?
I'm fine ---- we're checking on Texasmom -- it's upon her now!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 12:32:32 AM
I'm still here, and it's still bad...lights have flickered a few times...me and the dogs are ready to get under the table!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 12:35:03 AM
Prayers your way TM.Nice to see tha rest of ya made it ok!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 11, 2009, 12:35:13 AM
Wreck, I'm here checking on you............. are you safe?
I'm fine ---- we're checking on Texasmom -- it's upon her now!

Thanks! I see that now. Saying a prayer for you, Texasmom!

Hotping? Somehow I missed you were located in the track! I'm glad to see you are safe!!

Always was worried earlier, but the last post I saw, she was going to sleep with her weather band radio.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 11, 2009, 12:41:06 AM
Wreck, I'm here checking on you............. are you safe?
I'm fine ---- we're checking on Texasmom -- it's upon her now!

Thanks! I see that now. Saying a prayer for you, Texasmom!

Hotping? Somehow I missed you were located in the track! I'm glad to see you are safe!!

Always was worried earlier, but the last post I saw, she was going to sleep with her weather band radio.
This storm was bad here in Texas and it is moving east northeast so Everyone to the east of Texas needs to stay vigilant and aware......Maybe with any luck it will die down in strength......
Thanks CBB!


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Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 12:45:37 AM
I think the worst of it has passed, I hope so anyway!  Thanks for the thoughts and prayers!  That's a bad storm if it's headed your way!


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Post by: hotping on February 11, 2009, 12:48:26 AM
I think the worst of it has passed, I hope so anyway!  Thanks for the thoughts and prayers!  That's a bad storm if it's headed your way!
Whew.... I'm Glad You are alright.....Now I have to worry about My kids near Houston......I'm going to call it a night.....Thanks Everyone for Your Prayers!

GoodNight Monkeys! 


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Post by: crazybabyborg on February 11, 2009, 12:48:33 AM
I think the worst of it has passed, I hope so anyway!  Thanks for the thoughts and prayers!  That's a bad storm if it's headed your way!

Glad to hear it's passing, texasmom, and most glad to here you're safe! All monkeys accounted for, I hope! Whew!


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Post by: crazybabyborg on February 11, 2009, 12:49:47 AM
Nite hotping! I'll say a prayer for them, too!!


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Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 12:51:04 AM
Everyone is accounted for!Yeahhhhhhhhh.......Now i can Head to bed!Thank God for all the Monkey's being safe!

                              JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY
                                 GOD BLESS AND GOODNIGHT
                                          KEEPTHEFAITH


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Post by: hotping on February 11, 2009, 12:53:12 AM
Nite hotping! I'll say a prayer for them, too!!
Thank You....Both of My Sons are working Nights so the little ones and My DIL's are home alone with no men.....Prayers will definitely help....

Good Night All!


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Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 01:03:28 AM
Nite hotping! I'll say a prayer for them, too!!
Thank You....Both of My Sons are working Nights so the little ones and My DIL's are home alone with no men.....Prayers will definitely help....

Good Night All!

Good night Hotping!  I'm saying prayers for your kids and grandkids!   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 01:04:14 AM
Everyone is accounted for!Yeahhhhhhhhh.......Now i can Head to bed!Thank God for all the Monkey's being safe!

                              JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY
                                 GOD BLESS AND GOODNIGHT
                                          KEEPTHEFAITH

Goodnight KTF!  Thanks for the prayers!   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 01:14:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!!


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Post by: billb's daughter on February 11, 2009, 01:31:14 AM

Good night Anna, texasmom, batfish22 and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
I have family in dallas, forest hill, plano, garland , and  richardson. Glad to report everyone is well....


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Post by: Anna on February 11, 2009, 01:32:38 AM
Goodnight, billb.  Glad everyone is safe from the storms.



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Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 01:48:29 AM
I appreciate all the work and research that is being done on the oil companies, connections, etc.  It is all very confusing to me, so I haven't been able to contribute a lot on that subject. 

But please keep digging monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 01:49:15 AM

Good night Anna, texasmom, batfish22 and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
I have family in dallas, forest hill, plano, garland , and  richardson. Glad to report everyone is well....

Goodnight billb!  Glad to hear all your family is safe too!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 01:51:35 AM


Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: johan555 on February 11, 2009, 03:11:44 AM
Aruba
Drugs in drinking
10 Feb, 2009, 14:49

ORANGE CITY - A 26-year-old from Iran coming tourist MS had to be transported to the hospital after a drug in her drink had done. Last Saturday chaired the bather a drink tequilla when an unknown man in her came to a chat. After a while, felt S. are unwell. When the police arrived the victim had been taken to hospital for treatment of her complaints. The next day S. together with her husband to the police in order to make a statement. The matter is further investigated.

amigoe


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Post by: johan555 on February 11, 2009, 03:20:22 AM
   Aruba
Low capacity utilization reason departure KLM
10 Feb, 2009, 14:55 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - Airline KLM makes loss on the Amsterdam-Aruba flights, says Wim Iserief, regional manager of KLM. The loss is the manager, among other things caused by the ticket tax and the economic crisis. Decisive factor is the utilization of the aircraft. The region manager indicates that capacity utilization in recent months "considerably lower" than the 90 to 95 percent the last time the media was mentioned. Moreover, the occupancy rate for KLM aircraft direction higher than Curaçao to Aruba, says Iserief.

In addition to the capacity utilization indicates the region manager, the higher costs Aruba brings with it. "Think about landing fees, taxes and the like. They are not decisive factors, but all in all that we do decide to Aruba owned by Martinair to explain. "

The fact that so much consternation about the decision to KLM by March 29 not to fly to Aruba, according to regional manager Iserief 'for emotion. " "But the KLM Group continues in Aruba," he stressed. When asked whether the Aruba product 'is not better served by a company as KLM, Iserief responds by saying that Martinair indeed added value. As an example he gives the Comfort Class. "Passengers in this class at least 6 to 7 inches more legroom." The fact that Martinair has no business class, he sees not as a major problem. "How many people actually fly business class? It is a very limited number, the majority of whom are businessmen. Tourists fly almost exclusively Economy Class. "He states that Martinair examine the possibility of their former business class, the Star Class, revitalization. "If there is enough demand, it is an attractive option. The margins on this type of seats is of course higher. "

The reason that profits can easily Martinair flight Iserief according to the following factors. First fly with Martinair Boeing 767 twin-engine aircraft. These aircraft are more economical than the three-engine MD-11 aircraft where to fly KLM. Secondly, the costs and lower overhead of the company and finally, the company will benefit from synergies with the other KLM subsidiary Transavia.

The KLM office in Aruba remains open, confirmed Iserief. The ten man KLM staff remain employed by KLM but called the handling of Martinair flight to pick up.


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Post by: Nut44x4 on February 11, 2009, 06:40:31 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock4.gif)


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Post by: johan555 on February 11, 2009, 07:37:33 AM
   Woman dead after hours of waiting First Aid
10 Feb, 2009, 14:56 (GMT -04:00)
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ORANGE CITY - A 27-year-old woman yesterday deceased by her husband after hours at the emergency of the Horacio Oduber Hospital has had to wait for treatment. The hospital has an immediate investigation and autopsy today on the body occurred.

Nashma B., mother of two children, was by her GP urgently referred after they complained of breathing problems. On the first aid she was not directly helped while purple aanliep, so told her husband who is now a lawyer in the arm it. Security staff would have tried several times to the occupied port doctors warn. His wife, according to her husband only when they helped each other in folded. Doctors took her gereanimeerd and the medium care unit over a short time where she later died. According to insiders, the woman suspected of a pulmonary embolism or a closure of the longslagader which part of the lungs no longer receives blood or oxygen.
The hospital does not respond to the allegations of the husband. "We can neither confirm nor deny whether the woman had to wait hours. Yesterday it was very very busy at the Emergency Assistance. All beds were occupied by patients who were seriously ill. So the wait was longer than normal, "says spokesman Bob Harms. He says that the hospital case record high and as quickly as possible to have clarity on the cause of death of women.
The deceased woman was employed at the headquarters of Aruba Bank Camacuri, after the news decided to close its doors earlier.


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Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 08:48:23 AM
   Woman dead after hours of waiting First Aid
10 Feb, 2009, 14:56 (GMT -04:00)
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ORANGE CITY - A 27-year-old woman yesterday deceased by her husband after hours at the emergency of the Horacio Oduber Hospital has had to wait for treatment. The hospital has an immediate investigation and autopsy today on the body occurred.

Nashma B., mother of two children, was by her GP urgently referred after they complained of breathing problems. On the first aid she was not directly helped while purple aanliep, so told her husband who is now a lawyer in the arm it. Security staff would have tried several times to the occupied port doctors warn. His wife, according to her husband only when they helped each other in folded. Doctors took her gereanimeerd and the medium care unit over a short time where she later died. According to insiders, the woman suspected of a pulmonary embolism or a closure of the longslagader which part of the lungs no longer receives blood or oxygen.
The hospital does not respond to the allegations of the husband. "We can neither confirm nor deny whether the woman had to wait hours. Yesterday it was very very busy at the Emergency Assistance. All beds were occupied by patients who were seriously ill. So the wait was longer than normal, "says spokesman Bob Harms. He says that the hospital case record high and as quickly as possible to have clarity on the cause of death of women.
The deceased woman was employed at the headquarters of Aruba Bank Camacuri, after the news decided to close its doors earlier.

Good morning monkeys!  Thanks Johan for posting this.  Very sad story.  If I understood the story from Awe Mainta the woman had recently had an operation.  Her death was a huge shock to those who knew and worked with her.  And two young children, one had recently been in the Carnaval parade from my understanding of the article I read.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 11, 2009, 12:03:36 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Troubleshooter: Deconstructing my honeymoon in Aruba
Hotel offers a ‘sorry’ for out-of-service pool, but should it do more?

TRAVEL TROUBLESHOOTER
By Christopher Elliott
Travel columnist
Tribune Media Services
updated 10:09 a.m. ET, Tues., Feb. 10, 2009

Q: My fiance and I booked our honeymoon at the Westin Aruba through a travel agent. At the time we made our reservations, we knew the hotel was undergoing some renovations in its lobby. I spoke with our agent, and e-mailed the hotel directly to find out if there would still be construction during our honeymoon several months later. I was emphatically told no, and even have an e-mail saying so from a Westin guest services manager.

Now, only a few weeks before the trip, I have been notified that the pool area of the hotel will be undergoing construction and will be unavailable to guests during our stay. The pool at a smaller, less expensive, hotel will be available for use. We have travel insurance, so we can get all of our money back, less the insurance fee of $258. But we'd still have to book another hotel at the last minute, at a much higher rate.

The Westin has apologized but has not offered any sort of discount or other compensation. Is there anything we can do, other than simply cancel our reservation?
— Stefanie Rasimowicz, Princeton, N.J.

A: Westin should do more than apologize for the construction. After all, this is only the most important vacation of your life, and it ought to be perfect. Besides, it promised the construction would be done.

The hotel's pool is one of its best amenities. It's a free-form pool with three terraced spa tubs that extend 150 yards along the Caribbean. The hotel proudly displays pictures of the pool on its Web site, but I could find no correspondingly prominent warnings that it would be unavailable.

No one is judging Westin for closing its pool. Hotels are in an almost constant state of renovation, and as anyone with a pool in the back yard can probably tell you, they require a lot of maintenance. The problem is that Westin wasn't as upfront about the construction as they could be or as accommodating to your special needs.

Fortunately, you booked your honeymoon through a travel agent. A competent travel adviser should be able to fix a problem like this. After all, you're paying the agent a booking fee in exchange for the expertise. The agent should, at least theoretically, be working for you.

I might have leaned on your travel agent a little more. When Westin's “sorry” was unacceptable, your agent should have figured out a way of saving your honeymoon at no additional cost. Otherwise, you could have just booked your honeymoon online — which, by the way, I certainly do not recommend.


What else could Westin do? Under these circumstances, anything from upgrading your room to sending you to a comparable property without making you pay extra. Hotels often transfer guests — called “walking” in lodging industry parlance — to another property when they're oversold.

I contacted Westin on your behalf. It offered you a $20 per day hotel credit and two drink tickets for the duration of your stay, as well as an upgrade to a suite. It also credited your rewards account with enough points for a one-night stay. A generous offer — but still, no pool. You canceled your reservation and rebooked at the Hyatt Regency Aruba Resort & Casino without having to pay more. Your honeymoon is saved.

Christopher Elliott is the ombudsman for National Geographic Traveler magazine. You can read more travel tips on his blog, elliott.org or e-mail him at celliott@ngs.org.


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Post by: caesu on February 11, 2009, 12:07:15 PM
Quote
House of Commons unsatisfied with explanation Bijleveld about Aruba leak
10 Feb, 2009, 15:51 (GMT -04:00)

THE HAGUE – The House of Commons is not satisfied with the explanation which State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom relations, CDA) gave about the leaking out of confidential information of the Dutch representatives on Aruba. The majority of the political groups agree with the criticism of VVV-party member Johan Remkes, who found the letter ‘the least satisfactory’.

The State Secretary wrote to the House of Commons today that she will have the leaking out of the information on Aruba investigated. She cannot get ahead of the results, but has already takes some measures to prevent a possible repetition. In the letter she writes once more to find the case ‘extremely serious’. In the past week she has telephoned the Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber twice to try and straighten out the situation. Oduber will travel to the Netherlands in March. “Then we will naturally discuss the relationship between our two countries”, says Bijleveld.

SP-Member of parliament Ronald van Raak qualified the comments of Bijleveld as ‘appalling’. The House wants the State Secretary to give more clarity in a new letter. The political groups want to receive the additional comments before meeting with Bijleveld in the beginning of March to discuss the leaked out items, in which harsh words are stated about Aruban politicians.
State Secretary Bijleveld of Kingdom Relations has to do her homework, says House of Commons member Ronald van Raak of the Socialistic Party. Last week he requested an explanation about how the confidential information from the Dutch Representatives on Aruba could have gone public. He also wanted to know if the content was correct.

It is true that the State Secretary sent a letter to the House today, but according to Van Raak it does not contain sufficient information. “Actually she’s only announcing that an investigation has started”, says Van Raak. “She doesn’t mention one word about whether the content of the report is correct, so she needs to do her homework.” Van Raak also wants State Secretary to explain what the consequences are of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber stating that ‘irreparable damage’ has been done to the relationship between Aruba and The Netherlands.

Last week a confidential report by the Dutch Representatives in Oranjestad leaked out. It came into Aruban hands by accident. The weekly bulletin published incriminating statements about amongst others the Prime Minister, various ministers and their family members. Minister of Justices Croes was outraged and talked about espionage by the Netherlands.

No support emergency debate
The political parties now want the State Secretary to finish the investigation into the leak before the 3rd of March. On that day there will be a General Debate in the House where the incident will be discussed. PVV-party member Hero Brinkman finds the date too late. Today he asked for an emergency debate, but except from Rita Verdonk he did not get any support. “Now that we finally have a hold on this mafia-government on Aruba, the House doesn’t want to talk about it”, states a disappointed Brinkman. Van Raak however says: “There is no point, because she will then not be able to give any answers. Her investigation needs to be completed first.”
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52592.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 11, 2009, 12:11:46 PM
Rudy Croes has spoken again...

he wants the AIVD (Dutch intelligence service) spies to leave Aruba.

and he wants a public apology from The Netherlands about the leaked VNO-report.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1147077.ece/Nederlandse_spionnen_moeten_weg_van_Aruba
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3228396/___Spionnen_moeten_weg_van_Aruba___.html?p=3,1
http://www.wereldomroep.nl/news/domestic/6172590/Arubaanse-minister-eist-vertrek-AIVDers

for as long as there's no apology the tension will only rise.
but i don't think Bijleveld will issue such a apology for now.

she first has to satisfy the Dutch parliament with a another explanation about this VNO-report.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 01:00:38 PM
You there Jen3560??What can you make of this.Any relation to The Aruban Croes family?Didn't Kyle go to work for Fugro?Seems to be a member of CHATA?Let me know what you think.TIA


Fugro Curacao N.V.
Felipe Croes
Phone: 736-5456
Fax: 736-7656
fcroes@fugro.com
www.first-ib.com
Schottegatweg Oost 66


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 01:04:44 PM
You there Jen3560??What can you make of this.Any relation to The Aruban Croes family?Didn't Kyle go to work for Fugro?Seems to be a member of CHATA?Let me know what you think.TIA


Fugro Curacao N.V.
Felipe Croes
Phone: 736-5456
Fax: 736-7656
fcroes@fugro.com
www.first-ib.com
Schottegatweg Oost 66


http://www.chata.org/about_us_members.php?cat=suppliers

Curacao Hospitality and Tourism Association


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 01:17:05 PM
You there Jen3560??What can you make of this.Any relation to The Aruban Croes family?Didn't Kyle go to work for Fugro?Seems to be a member of CHATA?Let me know what you think.TIA


Fugro Curacao N.V.
Felipe Croes
Phone: 736-5456
Fax: 736-7656
fcroes@fugro.com
www.first-ib.com
Schottegatweg Oost 66


http://www.chata.org/about_us_members.php?cat=suppliers

Curacao Hospitality and Tourism Association

Mr. Paul Kok  
Past President
Avila Beach Hotel

Have we ever heard this name?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 11, 2009, 01:29:16 PM
You there Jen3560??What can you make of this.Any relation to The Aruban Croes family?Didn't Kyle go to work for Fugro?Seems to be a member of CHATA?Let me know what you think.TIA


Fugro Curacao N.V.
Felipe Croes
Phone: 736-5456
Fax: 736-7656
fcroes@fugro.com
www.first-ib.com
Schottegatweg Oost 66

Yes - Kyle did a job this past summer in Norway for Fugro.

Also - Tim Trahan has a dive company (I think it's a dive comopany) that works out of Curacao.......or has excursions there - I don't remember which.

As for the Croes connection - I honestly have no idea.  Sorry!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 01:32:17 PM
You there Jen3560??What can you make of this.Any relation to The Aruban Croes family?Didn't Kyle go to work for Fugro?Seems to be a member of CHATA?Let me know what you think.TIA


Fugro Curacao N.V.
Felipe Croes
Phone: 736-5456
Fax: 736-7656
fcroes@fugro.com
www.first-ib.com
Schottegatweg Oost 66

Yes - Kyle did a job this past summer in Norway for Fugro.

Also - Tim Trahan has a dive company (I think it's a dive comopany) that works out of Curacao.......or has excursions there - I don't remember which.

As for the Croes connection - I honestly have no idea.  Sorry!!

Thanx Jen.Just tryin to put a puzzle together. ::MonkeyConfused::


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Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 02:22:17 PM
Another "spill" for Valero...

http://www.awe24.com/

Papiamentu translation:

——breaking news——
have one circunstancia owing to end of take lugar at valero, already cu the cayanan of san nicolas is all soil at azeta or diesel.... photograph at caminda come across

(http://www.awe24.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/valerofebr2009spill/11_febr_valero_spill__42___Small_.JPG)


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Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 02:27:56 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52612.php

Google translation:

Netherlands: 'Everything done to Holloway case to be resolved'
11 Feb, 2009, 14:44 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / THE HAGUE - The Netherlands has rederlijkerwijs "done everything the country could do to the case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway to be resolved. According to State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom, CDA) in a letter to the Lower House that asked for more information.

Holloway disappeared in May 2005 and the case is still unsolved. There are currently two investigations into the missing case. The criminal investigation into the disappearance of the teenager and an investigation by the Agricultural Research to the allegations of Justice Minister Rudy Croes on the initial phase of the criminal investigation.
Croes in December accused former chief Jan van der Straaten research in the first ten days are corrupt. Due to his friendship with Paul van der Sloot, the father of the still suspect Joran van der Sloot.
The Public Ministry during this trial communications, writes Bijleveld to the Second Chamber.

The regime explains the woman 'effort' the Netherlands all have done in the Holloway case. In the initial phase, Dutch troops at the request of Aruba to help with the search. There are sniffer dogs, and Dutch F-16's with special cameras deployed. Aruba in September 2006 has again asked for assistance to the research by specialists in the Netherlands was assessed. This' review 'was sufficient for starting the investigation on Aruba to continue.
In 2007 and 2008 by the Dutch team with the Aruban colleagues conducted a follow-up study to outstanding 'scenarios'. According Bijleveld give "all necessary means' used, but also do not have a solution. At this moment, the Aruban police have research.


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Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 02:29:23 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!!
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 03:02:48 PM
Hi Keepthefaith

Where is everybody?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If you are interested ... on Sunday evening I posted my paper regarding the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes against Phil McGraw.  I created a thread in the Musing section by mistake.

THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4519.0


Magnolia ... thank you for your response regarding my document.

Hey ... I have no idea regarding Deepak Kalpoe words to Larry Garrison ... words that implied that Deepak claimed he had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Maybe Monkeys on this thread can help out?

Janet


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Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 03:09:48 PM
Hi Keepthefaith

Where is everybody?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If you are interested ... on Sunday evening I posted my paper regarding the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes against Phil McGraw.  I created a thread in the Musing section by mistake.

THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4519.0


Magnolia ... thank you for your response regarding my document.

Hey ... I have no idea regarding Deepak Kalpoe words to Larry Garrison ... words that implied that Deepak claimed he had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Maybe Monkeys on this thread can help out?

Janet


Don't know where everybody is at Janet.I've been looking into oil campanies..So when my name appears i may be in another window trying to put a puzzle together.I briefly read over the Kalpoe/Mcgraw document and it never ceases to amaze me how these POS have walked FREE.Again.Why is Paulus so F'ing imposrtant that they won't prosecute him!Looking for the needle in the haystack!

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 11, 2009, 03:13:21 PM
Hi Keepthefaith

Where is everybody?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If you are interested ... on Sunday evening I posted my paper regarding the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes against Phil McGraw.  I created a thread in the Musing section by mistake.

THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4519.0


Magnolia ... thank you for your response regarding my document.

Hey ... I have no idea regarding Deepak Kalpoe words to Larry Garrison ... words that implied that Deepak claimed he had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Maybe Monkeys on this thread can help out?

Janet


I have been in and out of here all day.  Having PC trouble...pages loading very slowly.  Am going to run a scan. 

Anyway, I read Magnolia's post about Garrison, and remember something being posted.  Maybe Klaas or Buckeye can find it faster than I.   It isn't in the Kalpoe/McGraw thread, that I could see earlier. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 03:47:06 PM
Hi Keepthefaith

Where is everybody?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If you are interested ... on Sunday evening I posted my paper regarding the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes against Phil McGraw.  I created a thread in the Musing section by mistake.

THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4519.0


Magnolia ... thank you for your response regarding my document.

Hey ... I have no idea regarding Deepak Kalpoe words to Larry Garrison ... words that implied that Deepak claimed he had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Maybe Monkeys on this thread can help out?

Janet


Don't know where everybody is at Janet.I've been looking into oil campanies. So when my name appears i may be in another window trying to put a puzzle together.I briefly read over the Kalpoe/Mcgraw document and it never ceases to amaze me how these POS have walked FREE.Again.Why is Paulus so F'ing imposrtant that they won't prosecute him!Looking for the needle in the haystack!

KEEPTHEFAITH

Why?  I am sooo confused where all this research is headed.  Will the outcome of all this hard work determine what the truth regarding the motive behind the deception of the Persistence undertaking was all about?  Just wondering.

Anyways ... considering I am lost in regards to this topic and ... you all are on a roll ... I will be working behind the scenes on another document.  I do not want to be a distraction.  "My own little hide hole" is where it is at.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is not all about Paulus van der Sloot although the guy is certainly connected.  It started out with Jan vander Straten doing a favor for a friend.

If Aruba had anticipated the determination of Natalee's mother ... Joran van der Sloot would have been selected as the sacrificial lamb from the getgo.  Joran was a minor and ... an "accidental" death as well as a "disposal of a body" ... would have implied a slay on the wrist in regards to accountability.

However ... by the time that Aruba realized that Beth Holloway was a force to be reckoned with ... it was too late ... a domino effect of those who would be held accountability ... not only for the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 but ... those involved in the coverup was far reaching.  It was too late to turn back.

IMO

Janet

+++++

NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET


GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
FOX NEW - MARTHA MACCALLUM
November 28, 2006


TWITTY: Well I think they will always have to look at there were two personnel involved from the Aruban Justice Department and that is why we do not have any evidence and that is what Joran’s attorney will have to be reminded of. It is because of Bob Witt and Ben King stopped the search warrants. It was made to initially search the entire area of Mon. 19 - the garden, the buildings and everything but on the spot a high ranking employee of the Justice Office, Bob Witt, reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran so that’s why we do not have any evidence because of involvement of the obstruction from the Aruban Justice Department personnel.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: johan555 on February 11, 2009, 03:53:28 PM
Nederland: 'Everything done to Holloway case to solve'
11 Feb, 2009, 14:44 (GMT -04:00)


AMBER CITY / DEN HAAG - Netherlands has rederlijkerwijs' done everything country could do every Case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway to solve. That proposes Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom, CDA) wrote to Second Room which requested details.

Holloway disappeared in May 2005 and seised still unresolved. There prejudging Currently two investigations in missing case. The criminal investigation the disappearance of teenager and research by Country Recherche to allegations minister Justice Rudy Croes on beginning phase criminal research.
Croes accused in December former chief Jan van der Straaten research in first ten days have corrupt. This because his friendship with Paul van der Sloot, father of the still suspicious Joran van der Sloot.
The Public Ministry during this research no Notices, writes Bijleveld to Second Room.

The reign woman explains welke 'efforts' Netherlands all hitherto done in Holloway case. In beginning phase Dutch soldiers at request Aruba helped with quest. Also his Dutch sniffer dogs and F-16 cars special cameras deployed. In September 2006 has Aruba again requested assistance thus investigation specialists Netherlands was reviewed. This' revision 'gave sufficient connecting to research Aruba forward.
In 2007 and 2008 by Dutch team with Aruban colleagues an vervolgonderzoek exported to outstanding 'scenarios'. According Bijleveld give 'all necessary resources' deployed but also have not one solution led. On pokriva Aruban police still research.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 04:03:40 PM
Hi Keepthefaith

Where is everybody?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If you are interested ... on Sunday evening I posted my paper regarding the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes against Phil McGraw.  I created a thread in the Musing section by mistake.

THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4519.0


Magnolia ... thank you for your response regarding my document.

Hey ... I have no idea regarding Deepak Kalpoe words to Larry Garrison ... words that implied that Deepak claimed he had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Maybe Monkeys on this thread can help out?

Janet


Don't know where everybody is at Janet.I've been looking into oil campanies. So when my name appears i may be in another window trying to put a puzzle together.I briefly read over the Kalpoe/Mcgraw document and it never ceases to amaze me how these POS have walked FREE.Again.Why is Paulus so F'ing imposrtant that they won't prosecute him!Looking for the needle in the haystack!

KEEPTHEFAITH

Why?  I am sooo confused where all this research is headed.  Will the outcome of all this hard work determine what the truth regarding the motive behind the deception of the Persistence undertaking was all about?  Just wondering.

Anyways ... considering I am lost in regards to this topic and ... you all are on a roll ... I will be working behind the scenes on another document.  I do not want to be a distraction.  "My own little hide hole" is where it is at.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is not all about Paulus van der Sloot although the guy is certainly connected.  It started out with Jan vander Straten doing a favor for a friend.

If Aruba had anticipated the determination of Natalee's mother ... Joran van der Sloot would have been selected as the sacrificial lamb from the getgo.  Joran was a minor and ... an "accidental" death as well as a "disposal of a body" ... would have implied a slay on the wrist in regards to accountability.

However ... by the time that Aruba realized that Beth Holloway was a force to be reckoned with ... it was too late ... a domino effect of those who would be held accountability ... not only for the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 but ... those involved in the coverup was far reaching.  It was too late to turn back.

IMO

Janet

+++++

NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET


GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
FOX NEW - MARTHA MACCALLUM
November 28, 2006


TWITTY: Well I think they will always have to look at there were two personnel involved from the Aruban Justice Department and that is why we do not have any evidence and that is what Joran’s attorney will have to be reminded of. It is because of Bob Witt and Ben King stopped the search warrants. It was made to initially search the entire area of Mon. 19 - the garden, the buildings and everything but on the spot a high ranking employee of the Justice Office, Bob Witt, reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran so that’s why we do not have any evidence because of involvement of the obstruction from the Aruban Justice Department personnel.





In regards to the outcome of the Persistence.Me personally.It was all about oil.Being able to pinpoint a contract in 2007 that would benefit Silvetti,Schaefer,and or Trahan is what i'm attempting to locate.Or.The value of what they were mapping.What's the price for an oil company down in that region,in regards to the ocean floor being mapped without anyone knowing?Hence,the guise,of the Natalee Holloway search.I do believe it was the GRAND-FINALE TO THE ARUBAN COVER-UP......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 11, 2009, 04:18:07 PM
KTF:
Quote
In regards to the outcome of the Persistence.Me personally.It was all about oil.Being able to pinpoint a contract in 2007 that would benefit Silvetti,Schaefer,and or Trahan is what i'm attempting to locate.Or.The value of what they were mapping.What's the price for an oil company down in that region,in regards to the ocean floor being mapped without anyone knowing?Hence,the guise,of the Natalee Holloway search.I do believe it was the GRAND-FINALE TO THE ARUBAN COVER-UP......
I agree -- this goes a long way to explain the "indifference" of The Persistence crew. Finding Natalee was an "obstacle" -- not the "purpose"!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 04:26:08 PM
KTF:
Quote
In regards to the outcome of the Persistence.Me personally.It was all about oil.Being able to pinpoint a contract in 2007 that would benefit Silvetti,Schaefer,and or Trahan is what i'm attempting to locate.Or.The value of what they were mapping.What's the price for an oil company down in that region,in regards to the ocean floor being mapped without anyone knowing?Hence,the guise,of the Natalee Holloway search.I do believe it was the GRAND-FINALE TO THE ARUBAN COVER-UP......
I agree -- this goes a long way to explain the "indifference" of The Persistence crew. Finding Natalee was an "obstacle" -- not the "purpose"!

When you look at these companies.They buy,sell,lease-back,form new companies,subsidiaries.Very difficult to track most of the time.I wish i had more of a grasp of the ocean floors.Seems like Petrobras found a BIG gas deposit down off the eastern coast of Brazil.The water off of Venezuela,as well as Aruba has got to have some signifigance.The gas-pipeline?oil-pipeline?I think the tell-tale sign will potentially be who purchases the oil-refinery.Keep researching.All one can do!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 04:27:40 PM


In regards to the outcome of the Persistence.Me personally.It was all about oil.Being able to pinpoint a contract in 2007 that would benefit Silvetti,Schaefer,and or Trahan is what i'm attempting to locate.Or.The value of what they were mapping.What's the price for an oil company down in that region,in regards to the ocean floor being mapped without anyone knowing?Hence,the guise,of the Natalee Holloway search.I do believe it was the GRAND-FINALE TO THE ARUBAN COVER-UP......

I believe the Persistence venture was two fold from the beginning.  However ... the deception was that Schaefer and Silvetti let on it was all about Natalee Holloway and ... used Tim Miller and his association with TES to raise funds.

I do not believe that Silvetti went into the venture with the intention of not being a participant in the recovery of Natalee Holloway's remains if their were discovered.  I contend  that between the time of discovery and ... the December 30, 2008 dive ... the Arubans became involved.  It was during this period that John Silvetti was offered an incentive to turn a blind eye to the recovery process that would not be observed by the crew of the Persistence ... would not be observed by an FBI observant ...

IMO

Janet

______

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:  John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:   He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle: Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days. (05/08/08)

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. (06/10/08)
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 04:46:07 PM
Keepthefaith ... I believe that any contracts or incentives received by John Silvetti by Aruba following the Persistence undertaking needs to be investigation.

However ... I do not have a clue where to begin.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 04:52:58 PM


In regards to the outcome of the Persistence.Me personally.It was all about oil.Being able to pinpoint a contract in 2007 that would benefit Silvetti,Schaefer,and or Trahan is what i'm attempting to locate.Or.The value of what they were mapping.What's the price for an oil company down in that region,in regards to the ocean floor being mapped without anyone knowing?Hence,the guise,of the Natalee Holloway search.I do believe it was the GRAND-FINALE TO THE ARUBAN COVER-UP......

I believe the Persistence venture was two fold from the beginning.  However ... the deception was that Schaefer and Silvetti let on it was all about Natalee Holloway and ... used Tim Miller and his association with TES to raise funds.

I do not believe that Silvetti went into the venture with the intention of not being a participant in the recovery of Natalee Holloway's remains if their were discovered.  I contend  that between the time of discovery and ... the December 30, 2008 dive ... the Arubans became involved.  It was during this period that John Silvetti was offered an incentive to turn a blind eye to the recovery process that would not be observed by the crew of the Persistence ... would not be observed by an FBI observant ...

IMO

Janet
______

<snipped>


 

However ... John Silvetti did not anticipate Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller's concerns/ observations as well as the revealation of the ROV images exposing his untimate betrayal to both Natalee Holloway and her family as well as the betrayal to those who sacrificially donated to the cause when he handed over what could have been the remains of the an 18 year old American citizen.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 11, 2009, 04:56:34 PM
Hi Keepthefaith

Where is everybody?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If you are interested ... on Sunday evening I posted my paper regarding the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes against Phil McGraw.  I created a thread in the Musing section by mistake.

THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4519.0


Magnolia ... thank you for your response regarding my document.

Hey ... I have no idea regarding Deepak Kalpoe words to Larry Garrison ... words that implied that Deepak claimed he had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Maybe Monkeys on this thread can help out?

Janet


Is there a place where all of the filings in the Kalpoe/McGraw case can be searched?
I will search if somebody will tell me where they are.   I think it was around Oct.2008.
Klaas posted it here on this forum.

Janet, if you want Klass to remove my post so that it doesn't interupt the writings
of your paper, that is fine with me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 05:10:23 PM


In regards to the outcome of the Persistence.Me personally.It was all about oil.Being able to pinpoint a contract in 2007 that would benefit Silvetti,Schaefer,and or Trahan is what i'm attempting to locate.Or.The value of what they were mapping.What's the price for an oil company down in that region,in regards to the ocean floor being mapped without anyone knowing?Hence,the guise,of the Natalee Holloway search.I do believe it was the GRAND-FINALE TO THE ARUBAN COVER-UP......

I believe the Persistence venture was two fold from the beginning.  However ... the deception was that Schaefer and Silvetti let on it was all about Natalee Holloway and ... used Tim Miller and his association with TES to raise funds.

I do not believe that Silvetti went into the venture with the intention of not being a participant in the recovery of Natalee Holloway's remains if their were discovered.  I contend  that between the time of discovery and ... the December 30, 2008 dive ... the Arubans became involved.  It was during this period that John Silvetti was offered an incentive to turn a blind eye to the recovery process that would not be observed by the crew of the Persistence ... would not be observed by an FBI observant ...

IMO

Janet
______

<snipped>


 

However ... John Silvetti did not anticipate Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller's concerns/ observations as well as the revealation of the ROV images exposing his untimate betrayal to both Natalee Holloway and her family as well as the betrayal to those who sacrificially donated to the cause when he handed over what could have been the remains of the an 18 year old American citizen.

Janet


LOGIC DICTATES.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 05:11:06 PM
Hi Keepthefaith

Where is everybody?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If you are interested ... on Sunday evening I posted my paper regarding the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes against Phil McGraw.  I created a thread in the Musing section by mistake.

THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4519.0


Magnolia ... thank you for your response regarding my document.

Hey ... I have no idea regarding Deepak Kalpoe words to Larry Garrison ... words that implied that Deepak claimed he had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Maybe Monkeys on this thread can help out?

Janet


Is there a place where all of the filings in the Kalpoe/McGraw case can be searched?
I will search if somebody will tell me where they are.   I think it was around Oct.2008.
Klaas posted it here on this forum.

Janet, if you want Klass to remove my post so that it doesn't interupt the writings
of your paper, that is fine with me.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I posted the document late Sunday evening so that I could keep it all together.

I have left room for two more "Parts".  I can get Klaas to insert them.  Other than that I am done

The Larry Garrison/Deepak Kalpoe connection would be a very interest "Part" to this document.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 11, 2009, 05:24:07 PM
Hi Keepthefaith

Where is everybody?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If you are interested ... on Sunday evening I posted my paper regarding the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes against Phil McGraw.  I created a thread in the Musing section by mistake.

THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4519.0


Magnolia ... thank you for your response regarding my document.

Hey ... I have no idea regarding Deepak Kalpoe words to Larry Garrison ... words that implied that Deepak claimed he had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Maybe Monkeys on this thread can help out?

Janet


Don't know where everybody is at Janet.I've been looking into oil campanies. So when my name appears i may be in another window trying to put a puzzle together.I briefly read over the Kalpoe/Mcgraw document and it never ceases to amaze me how these POS have walked FREE.Again.Why is Paulus so F'ing imposrtant that they won't prosecute him!Looking for the needle in the haystack!

KEEPTHEFAITH

Why?  I am sooo confused where all this research is headed.  Will the outcome of all this hard work determine what the truth regarding the motive behind the deception of the Persistence undertaking was all about?  Just wondering.

Anyways ... considering I am lost in regards to this topic and ... you all are on a roll ... I will be working behind the scenes on another document.  I do not want to be a distraction.  "My own little hide hole" is where it is at.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is not all about Paulus van der Sloot although the guy is certainly connected.  It started out with Jan vander Straten doing a favor for a friend.

If Aruba had anticipated the determination of Natalee's mother ... Joran van der Sloot would have been selected as the sacrificial lamb from the getgo.  Joran was a minor and ... an "accidental" death as well as a "disposal of a body" ... would have implied a slay on the wrist in regards to accountability.

However ... by the time that Aruba realized that Beth Holloway was a force to be reckoned with ... it was too late ... a domino effect of those who would be held accountability ... not only for the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 but ... those involved in the coverup was far reaching.  It was too late to turn back.

IMO

Janet

+++++

NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET


GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
FOX NEW - MARTHA MACCALLUM
November 28, 2006


TWITTY: Well I think they will always have to look at there were two personnel involved from the Aruban Justice Department and that is why we do not have any evidence and that is what Joran’s attorney will have to be reminded of. It is because of Bob Witt and Ben King stopped the search warrants. It was made to initially search the entire area of Mon. 19 - the garden, the buildings and everything but on the spot a high ranking employee of the Justice Office, Bob Witt, reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran so that’s why we do not have any evidence because of involvement of the obstruction from the Aruban Justice Department personnel.





In regards to the outcome of the Persistence.Me personally.It was all about oil.Being able to pinpoint a contract in 2007 that would benefit Silvetti,Schaefer,and or Trahan is what i'm attempting to locate.Or.The value of what they were mapping.What's the price for an oil company down in that region,in regards to the ocean floor being mapped without anyone knowing?Hence,the guise,of the Natalee Holloway search.I do believe it was the GRAND-FINALE TO THE ARUBAN COVER-UP......

Janet - I'm headed over to read your document now.  Thank you for re-posting!

KTF - Thank you for that excellent summary.  I agree.  Proof to back up the claim.   


I knew I had a busy month scheduled, I expect to have more time soon. 


Btw, have I missed the theory that the cage evidence was planted by the crew of the Persistence?  I can't make sense of that, as why would Kyle then seek out the Freebirds? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 05:41:04 PM
LifeSong

Btw, have I missed the theory that the cage evidence was planted by the crew of the Persistence?  I can't make sense of that, as why would Kyle then seek out the Freebirds?

I'd like to hear the theory,as well as the proof!Don't think we'll get anyone to touch it! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 05:41:45 PM
LifeSong

"Btw, have I missed the theory that the cage evidence was planted by the crew of the Persistence?  I can't make sense of that, as why would Kyle then seek out the Freebirds?"


KEEPTHEFAITH

I'd like to hear the theory,as well as the proof!Don't think we'll get anyone to touch it! ::MonkeyHaHa::

correction


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 05:52:57 PM

Janet - I'm headed over to read your document now.  Thank you for re-posting!

KTF - Thank you for that excellent summary.  I agree.  Proof to back up the claim.   


I knew I had a busy month scheduled, I expect to have more time soon. 


Btw, have I missed the theory that the cage evidence was planted by the crew of the Persistence?  I can't make sense of that, as why would Kyle then seek out the Freebirds?  


I have never heard the theory but ... it was definitely a "theory" in January, 2008.

Janet

+++++

241.  mommytraveler on January 5th, 2008 5:37 pm

The rumor of “planted” evidence seems to be rampant on Aruba. Even to the extent that an inquiry made to a hotel stated that everyone is suspicious of “those Americans trolling our waters.”

The biggest question seems to be WHO will retain control over WHAT they may find and whom trusts whom on any “evidence” collected?

How about a photo of Paulua and Anita on the beach watching the search vessel?

Also, is there an email address where we can donate funds to purchase more of the water bottles being distributed? The above hotel didn’t like the empties being left all over their property. Those water bottles have created quite a stir.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/02/suspect-joran-van-der-sloot-regrets-no-trial-in-natalee-holloway-case/




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 06:29:53 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

The silence is deafening.

Back to my own little Hidey Hole.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later, Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 11, 2009, 06:30:30 PM
LifeSong

Btw, have I missed the theory that the cage evidence was planted by the crew of the Persistence?  I can't make sense of that, as why would Kyle then seek out the Freebirds?

I'd like to hear the theory,as well as the proof!Don't think we'll get anyone to touch it! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think we need to look at the whole "pond" thing. What if they took the "evidence" found in the cage on Jan. 7th and wanted to transplant it to "the pond"?? That way, they could continue "searching" for Natalee in the ocean and continue their mapping. Natlee could be "found" in the pond to make the family happy. Why did the Persistence all of a sudden want to "check out the pond". Why did Caps so make us want to look at the pond.........................................................DIVERSIONS! .............HINKY!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 06:34:03 PM
LifeSong

Btw, have I missed the theory that the cage evidence was planted by the crew of the Persistence?  I can't make sense of that, as why would Kyle then seek out the Freebirds?

I'd like to hear the theory,as well as the proof!Don't think we'll get anyone to touch it! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think we need to look at the whole "pond" thing. What if they took the "evidence" found in the cage on Jan. 7th and wanted to transplant it to "the pond"?? That way, they could continue "searching" for Natalee in the ocean and continue their mapping. Natlee could be "found" in the pond to make the family happy. Why did the Persistence all of a sudden want to "check out the pond". Why did Caps so make us want to look at the pond.........................................................DIVERSIONS! .............HINKY!!

Wasn't that what Kermit was implying?Correct me if i'm wrong.If true.Kyle F'd that up didn't he!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 11, 2009, 06:36:10 PM
LifeSong

Btw, have I missed the theory that the cage evidence was planted by the crew of the Persistence?  I can't make sense of that, as why would Kyle then seek out the Freebirds?

I'd like to hear the theory,as well as the proof!Don't think we'll get anyone to touch it! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think we need to look at the whole "pond" thing. What if they took the "evidence" found in the cage on Jan. 7th and wanted to transplant it to "the pond"?? That way, they could continue "searching" for Natalee in the ocean and continue their mapping. Natlee could be "found" in the pond to make the family happy. Why did the Persistence all of a sudden want to "check out the pond". Why did Caps so make us want to look at the pond.........................................................DIVERSIONS! .............HINKY!!

Wasn't that what Kermit was implying?Correct me if i'm wrong.If true.Kyle F'd that up didn't he!

Let me correct that by sying through the words of CapsLockWizard,Kyle,as well as Silvetti.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 11, 2009, 06:37:32 PM
LifeSong

Btw, have I missed the theory that the cage evidence was planted by the crew of the Persistence?  I can't make sense of that, as why would Kyle then seek out the Freebirds?

I'd like to hear the theory,as well as the proof!Don't think we'll get anyone to touch it! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think we need to look at the whole "pond" thing. What if they took the "evidence" found in the cage on Jan. 7th and wanted to transplant it to "the pond"?? That way, they could continue "searching" for Natalee in the ocean and continue their mapping. Natlee could be "found" in the pond to make the family happy. Why did the Persistence all of a sudden want to "check out the pond". Why did Caps so make us want to look at the pond.........................................................DIVERSIONS! .............HINKY!!

Wasn't that what Kermit was implying?Correct me if i'm wrong.If true.Kyle F'd that up didn't he!
Yes, he did!! I still think Kyle got in way over his head. He started with good intentions until that Summer when he realized he depended on those guys for his livlihood.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 06:46:03 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

The silence is deafening.

Back to my own little Hidey Hole.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later, Janet

Janet,
I left a surprise for you over in the Monkey Lounge in your Kalpoe info thread.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 11, 2009, 07:25:32 PM
Tamikosmom-

You could not have summarized this any better

BUCKSHOT

It is not all about Paulus van der Sloot although the guy is certainly connected.  It started out with Jan vander Straten doing a favor for a friend.

If Aruba had anticipated the determination of Natalee's mother ... Joran van der Sloot would have been selected as the sacrificial lamb from the getgo.  Joran was a minor and ... an "accidental" death as well as a "disposal of a body" ... would have implied a slay on the wrist in regards to accountability.

However ... by the time that Aruba realized that Beth Holloway was a force to be reckoned with ... it was too late ... a domino effect of those who would be held accountability ... not only for the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 but ... those involved in the coverup was far reaching.  It was too late to turn back.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 11, 2009, 07:25:48 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

The silence is deafening.

Back to my own little Hidey Hole.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later, Janet

Janet,
I left a surprise for you over in the Monkey Lounge in your Kalpoe info thread.   ::MonkeyWink::

TM, thank you so much for finding that Larry Garrison deposition. ::MonkeyDance::
I had searched for it all afternoon...to no avail. ::MonkeyWaa::
But I could see it in my mind's eye.  I knew it existed. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 11, 2009, 07:32:08 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

The silence is deafening.

Back to my own little Hidey Hole.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later, Janet

Janet,
I left a surprise for you over in the Monkey Lounge in your Kalpoe info thread.   ::MonkeyWink::

TM, thank you so much for finding that Larry Garrison deposition. ::MonkeyDance::
I had searched for it all afternoon...to no avail. ::MonkeyWaa::
But I could see it in my mind's eye.  I knew it existed. ::MonkeyCool::

Me, too, Magnolia.  I couldn't find it, though I searched & searched.  When I saw 'Kay Skeeters' in TM's post then I knew why I wasn't finding it.  It wasn't posted all that long ago, either. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 07:33:25 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

The silence is deafening.

Back to my own little Hidey Hole.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later, Janet

Janet,
I left a surprise for you over in the Monkey Lounge in your Kalpoe info thread.   ::MonkeyWink::

TM, thank you so much for finding that Larry Garrison deposition. ::MonkeyDance::
I had searched for it all afternoon...to no avail. ::MonkeyWaa::
But I could see it in my mind's eye.  I knew it existed. ::MonkeyCool::

You're welcome Magnolia, I knew I'd downloaded it and saved it; but it took me a while to find it among so many other things I've saved!  I need to spend a few months organizing things.  
 ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2009, 08:42:56 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

The silence is deafening.

Back to my own little Hidey Hole.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later, Janet

Janet,
I left a surprise for you over in the Monkey Lounge in your Kalpoe info thread.   ::MonkeyWink::

Janet and Texasmom - I have moved Janet's thread OUT of the Monkey Lounge and brought it over here.  It's now in this forum but after all the stickies.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 08:48:54 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

The silence is deafening.

Back to my own little Hidey Hole.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later, Janet

Janet,
I left a surprise for you over in the Monkey Lounge in your Kalpoe info thread.   ::MonkeyWink::

TM, thank you so much for finding that Larry Garrison deposition. ::MonkeyDance::
I had searched for it all afternoon...to no avail. ::MonkeyWaa::
But I could see it in my mind's eye.  I knew it existed. ::MonkeyCool::

You're welcome Magnolia, I knew I'd downloaded it and saved it; but it took me a while to find it among so many other things I've saved!  I need to spend a few months organizing things.    ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

For a price ... you can borrow my DIL.  Please note I said "borrow".  This gal is mine ... all mine.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 11, 2009, 08:54:01 PM
 ::MonkeyWaa::   

Will this thread ever get to 50?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 11, 2009, 08:56:05 PM
I'll help You 2NJ...Please don't cry..... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 11, 2009, 08:56:42 PM
::MonkeyWaa::   

Will this thread ever get to 50?

I think so. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 11, 2009, 08:57:40 PM
Let's see 14 more posts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 11, 2009, 08:57:45 PM
TM  I looked for that Garrison Deposition also today for about an hour then gave up...thanks for having it for Janet's research.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 11, 2009, 08:58:37 PM
Hi Janet and San!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 11, 2009, 08:59:25 PM
Hi Janet and San!

Hi Hotping.  It looks like it is only us getting it to 50.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 11, 2009, 09:00:29 PM
Justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 11, 2009, 09:01:05 PM
Janet...Your Kalpoe Mcgraw Research is Great Thanks for All You Do!  ::cartwheel:: And Thank Your DIL Too ...Please!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 11, 2009, 09:01:23 PM
Justice for Natalee.

NEVER GIVE UP.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 11, 2009, 09:01:31 PM
9 posts to go.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 09:02:13 PM
Hi Janet and San!

Hi hotping

Is there a surprise on the dinner menu?

Ribeye steak, mushrooms, rice and snow peas is where it was at in Tamikosmom's home.  It was a good dinner but no surprises.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
6:00 PM



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 11, 2009, 09:02:14 PM
Hi Janet and San!

Hi Hotping.  It looks like it is only us getting it to 50.
Yep But I See a Nut in the House.... Hey Nut...... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 11, 2009, 09:02:21 PM
9 posts to go.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 11, 2009, 09:03:08 PM
Truth Exists


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: San on February 11, 2009, 09:03:59 PM
Truth Exists

How do you like my new ear rings.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 11, 2009, 09:04:06 PM
Hi Janet and San!

Hi hotping

Is there a surprise on the dinner menu?

Ribeye steak, mushrooms, rice and snow peas is where it was at in Tamikosmom's home.  It was a good dinner but no surprises.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
6:00 PM


Nope no surprises here either just left overs...... But tomorrow is Mexican Food Night at the local Mexican Resturant Yummmmm!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 11, 2009, 09:04:06 PM

You guys messed with my math.     ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 11, 2009, 09:04:12 PM
Justice for Natalee.  Accept nothing less!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 11, 2009, 09:05:00 PM
Where is Janet when we realllllyyyyy need her, LOL!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 09:05:09 PM
I am so use to looking up and seeing Magnolia knitting when she is not posting and ... texasmom searching for a Justice for Natalee Holloway photo when she is not posting.

I miss them.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 11, 2009, 09:05:15 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/MODLOCK1.gif)

Natalee #800
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4515.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 11, 2009, 09:05:24 PM
Truth Exists

How do you like my new ear rings.

They look like they hurt.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 11, 2009, 09:05:44 PM
Hi Nut!  :smt040


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #799 2/5/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 09:07:08 PM
I'm here.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet