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Title: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 12:37:57 AM
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Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 12:42:24 AM
THE PETER DEVRIES/PATRICK VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING  AND THE KALPOE VS. PHIL MCGRAW LAWSUIT CONNECTION

Could a new Aruban agenda to prevent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway be where it is at?  Could Peter Devries and Patrick van der Eem be willing participants in that agenda?
 
In the video recording, Joran van der Sloot implicates only himself in regards to the happenings which encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 while, at the same time, exonerates Deepak and Satish Kalpoe as participants.

Think about it.  Joran was minor on May 30, 2005. The implication implies that legal consequences will be minimum.

Could the new Aruban agenda dictate that accountability stops and ends with Joran van der Sloot?  Aruba is fully aware, if the entire truth were exposed, the domino effect of accountability would be far reaching.  The domino effect of accountability would implicate Deepak and Satish.  The brothers, in turn, could implicate Paulus van der Sloot.  The domino effect of accountability would reach beyond those who were participants in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.  It would expose those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations involved in the cover up.  It would extend to and expose those in the Judiciary who have ruled favourably on behalf of the suspects time and time again.  It would extend to and expose those involved in Aruba’s underground economy that encompasses alcohol, gambling, money laundering as well as all aspects of the sex trade.

If Deepak and Satish were exonerated on the word of  Joran van der Sloot who is a self-acknowledged liar, the revelations of those within the investigation who officially implicated the brothers in the happenings which  encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 would become non-issues.  The Kalpoes’ own inconsistent declarations which are revealed in witness/ suspect statements would become non-issues.  The court testimony as well as the public declarations of witnesses who implicated Deepak and Satish would become non-issues.

However, Aruba must be given credit … the strategy is brilliant.  The implication of only Joran and the exoneration of Deepak and Satish is a simplified means that will allow the “powers that be” to bring the Natalee Holloway case to a close; appease a grieving family; reverse negative media attention; and rake in millions from Phil McGraw through the defamation lawsuit filed by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

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ONLY JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

JANUARY, 2009 - HANS MOS
Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!


The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/


Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 12:48:26 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

1.  WORDS OF STEVE COHEN - NON ISSUE

Steve Cohen, the spokesperson for the investigation, claimed that two of the suspects had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Cohen did not retract his claim.  He just clarified that there was not an official record.  This would corroborate the disputed portion of the Jamie Skeeters’ recorded interview that a Phil McGraw’s spokesperson insists was not manipulated.
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Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005


A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) -- Serious sunshiny days and sun-kissed smiles are about to greet the Caribbean island of Aruba sometime soon. Tourism has been shattered by the case of a single incident of an Alabama girl missing since spring break of last year. Closure on the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance seems imminent. The timeline drawn is about six to seven months from yesterday's announcement.

This, according to SMDG Consulting Team chairman Stephen Cohen, adviser to the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) and the Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force who spoke at the Caribbean Marketplace being held in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Cohen's team is tasked with bringing out the facts in the case and establishing a more orderly approach in dealing with the media in a crisis situation. A seasoned television news expert from CBS, Cohen has been part of the SMDG team since the beginning of the investigations.

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 12:51:31 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

3.  WORDS OF GEROLD DOMPIG - NON ISSUE

Gerold Dompig’s official position within the Natalee Holloway investigation dictates that inside information was at the foundation of his words regarding his suspicion encompassing the involvement of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.
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Aruban police say new tapes could spur arrests
Police official tells 'Abrams Report' about latest in the Holloway case
TRANSCRIPT
updated 6:14 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005


GERALD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE:  DOMPIG: Exactly. And I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators.

So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.

So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 2nd
updated 8:26 a.m. PT, Thurs., Nov. 3, 2005


RITA COSBY, HOST:  Do you believe, Chief—you said to me even before this interview that you believe the boys are guilty as hell. Do you believe they‘re involved in her disappearance?  

GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBA DEPUTY POLICE CHIEF:  Yes.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586/from/RL.3/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 5
updated 9:40 a.m. PT, Thurs., April. 6, 2006


GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE: I want to state once more that I still believe that these boys have been lying. They‘re still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there‘s no doubt in my mind that they know something

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 12:58:33 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

2.  WORDS OF KARIN JANSSEN AND HANS MOS - NON ISSUES


It can be assumed that there was a foundation that Karin Janssen derived from which warranted the initial arrest of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in June, 2005 as well as the second arrest in August, 2005.  Then there were the third arrests of the Kalpoe brothers in November, 2007.

Also, there must have been a foundation that the family’s attorney derived from when she implied that suspicions that a gang which included Joran, Deepak and Satish had occurred. 
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FIRST ARREST - JUNE, 2005 - KARIN JANSSEN

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005


Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


SECOND ARREST - AUGUST, 2005 - KARIN JANSSEN

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody,"  the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET


HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I don`t think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.

GRACE: OK, what new evidence, Helen?

LEJUEZ: The rape case.

GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?

LEJUEZ: Right now, they`re talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them. Right?

GRACE: Right.

LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it`s not out that the other suspect that`s in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Kalpoe Brothers Re-Arrested
Tuesday, August 30, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY:  Well, I think it's a big moment, Greta. You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.

… Well, it means that the investigation is moving forward and there's hope that we might go towards a trial because, at first, I was doubting whether we were even facing a trial. It shows that the police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html


THIRD ARREST - NOVEMBER, 2007 - HANS MOS

Three Young Men Re-Arrested in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Thursday, November 22, 2007


Dutch student Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway, the prosecutor's office said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312488,00.html


Aruba's Chief Prosecutor on New Evidence Against Holloway Suspects
Tuesday, November 27, 2007


Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.  "We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time,"  Mos said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


updated 1:17 p.m. EST, Fri December 7, 2007
Van der Sloot ordered released from Aruba jail


All three suspects, who were arrested and released during the investigation in 2005, were rearrested November 21, with authorities citing new and incriminating evidence against them. That new evidence has not been disclosed, but Mos has said it was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/07/aruba/index.html


Aruba's Chief Prosecutor on New Evidence Against Holloway Suspects
Tuesday, November 27, 2007


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS, ARUBA'S CHIEF PROSECUTOR:  And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:01:31 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

4.  THE HARD DRIVE - NONE ISSUE


According to Jamie Skeeters, the FBI was afforded possession of the hard drive that his interview with Deepak Kalpoe was recorded directly into.  Logic dictates that an analysis of the hard drive by the FBI laboratories should reveal if a manipulated tape was heard by the viewing audience of Phil McGraw.

Is this not what the single issue that is behind the Kalpoe’s lawsuit against Phil McGraw?
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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 12th
updated 8:04 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005


COSBY: All of the tapes or just part of the tapes?

SKEETERS: I turned everything I had over to the FBI, yes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9680121/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 12th
updated 8:04 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005


SKEETERS: Well, see, that‘s the big issue here, Rita. I handed these tapes over to a very reliable company—it‘s called the FBI—a week or two ago. I‘m from the old school. I don‘t bring these things out in the public. You keep the integrity and the credibility of the evidence, and I can‘t think of anybody more credible than the FBI.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9680121/


'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 10th
updated 9:00 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 11, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  The FBI has the taped evidence.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9662347/


Tale of the Tape Thursday
December 01, 2005


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN:  Dr. Phil and his staff stand by the tape they aired and claim Deepak admitted — and not denied — to having sex with Natalee. A representative for the "Dr. Phil" show specifically said that the show 1) Did not manipulate the Deepak tape in any way; 2) Did not alter what Deepak said in any way and 3) That they would give us [today] the tape they worked from so that we could inspect it to verify what they were claiming …

The representative also said the show stands by its position that Deepak said on tape, "You would be surprised how simple it was...." The implication of that quote is that Deepak had sex with Natalee.

We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said  — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: You know, Rita, when they use the word “manipulated,” they really need to use the word “edited.” And the tape that they‘re saying was manipulated was the one that was shown on Dr. Phil, it was edited. It was edited for television. You can‘t get a 20-second or a 6-second sound bite out of two-and-a-half hours. And you know, yes, Deepak did respond to Jamie‘s question that they all had sex with her. And he even (INAUDIBLE) You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: No, not that I could see, Rita. But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


'The Abrams Report' for Oct. 7th
updated 6:07 p.m. PT, Sun., Oct. 9, 2005


DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Jamie Skeeters, let‘s be clear, he knew he was being taped or not?

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Yes, I have that on tape. I have it witnessed by another former FBI and Deepak himself and another citizen of Aruba.

ABRAMS: OK. You‘re saying that yes, you believe he did know he was being taped?

SKEETERS: I have that on tape ...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9646352/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: I listened to all of it this afternoon.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  Was anything doctored, anything manipulated? What I mean is, anything taken out of context?

HOLLOWAY: No, I don‘t believe so. I think what Dr. Phil‘s show did
was edited the tape. From what I can understand, you know, this tape has -
the air-conditioner came on about the time Deepak walked in the room, so you‘ve got a lot of snow in there. But essentially, from what I understand, he said—there was kind of a stutter after Jamie asked the question, and that stuttering part I believe was taken out of the tape. And then he said, No, we did. You‘d be surprised how easy it was that night.

COSBY: Do you believe, based on everything you‘ve heard...

HOLLOWAY: I think what the Aruban...

COSBY: Do you believe he‘s saying that they did have sex with her? Is that what you believe?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, yes. Absolutely. You can‘t have a negative and then turn around and then support it with a positive. I mean, they‘ve got to put the whole sentence together for it to make sense. If they said, No, we didn‘t, and then turn around and said, You wouldn‘t believe how simple it was, that just—that just doesn‘t make sense.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


'The Abrams Report' for Dec. 1st
updated 6:00 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


DAN ABRAMS, HOST: All right. Let me do this. I‘m going to play now in order all three. I‘m going to play Jamie Skeeters‘ version—again, that‘s the actual one we got. We went to Jamie Skeeters‘ office and recorded exactly what he had on his hard drive. Then I want to play the version that Arlene has sent to us.

Again, I‘m going to do this without words on the screen this time so you all can listen and decide for yourselves and then we‘re going to play the “Dr. Phil” version. All right, so let‘s start with the—this is the Jamie Skeeters‘ version. This is what actually came from the hard drive. Here it is.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: Yes, she did. You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

ABRAMS: Boy that sure sounds like she did and you wouldn‘t—it was really easy. All right. Now, this is the version that we got from Arlene in Aruba and I have to tell you, it sounds different.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

SKEETERS: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: No, she didn‘t. You would be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:03:41 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

5.  INCONSISTENT WITNESS/SUSPECT STATEMENTS - NON ISSUES

"No man has a good enough memory to make a successfull liar." Abraham Lincoln


Why were inconsistencies between each of  Deepak Kalpoe’s witness/ suspect statement regarding his departure from Carlos 'N Charlies on the morning of May 30, 2005 not challenged by interrogators?

1. Did or did not Natalee introduce herself?
2. Did or did not Deepak use his cell phone?
3. Did or did not Deepak wait outside his vehicle?
4. Did or did not Deepak wait inside his vehicle?
5. Did or did not Satish have the keys to Deepak‘s vehicle?
6. Did or did not Satish return to the vehicle ahead of Joran and Natalee?

It is said that lies are created to cover the truth. What truth was Deepak attempting to cover?
_________________

Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005


I continued to walk around in Carlos & Charlies in search of my brother and Joran but I could not find them. I knew for certain that my brother and Joran were not in Carlos & Charlies at that moment because I had looked around the whole place. At that time it was 01.00 and everyone started leaving.

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 01.05, I walked to my car to wait for Joran and my brother. Around 01.12 Satish and Joran came to my car. My brother sat beside me in the car and then in the mirror, I saw that Joran and the blonde girl that had been dancing on the stage, sat in the back seat. I greeted the girl in English and she greeted me in English. The girl did not introduce herself.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005


When I turned around Satish and Joran were nowhere to be seen. They hadn't even told that they were leaving. I looked for them for a short while, but hadn't found them. I was in the bathroom for a little while. I have no patience to look. After the bathroom I looked around somewhat. I walked past the bar, past the glass section where the "Carlos & Charlies" souvenirs of "Carlos & Charlie" are sold to the outside. When I was walking outside, I could hear the announcement that it was the last opportunity to buy alcohol. That is always announced before closing, I walked to my car. My car was the only one parked in the back of the parking lot. I went and sat in my car to wait for Satish and Joran. I had no more money left on my pre-paid phone to call them. I was listening to the radio and was trying to adjust the sound. The car door on the right front door was opened. I looked up and saw that it was Satish. Satish sat down next to me. Then the back car door opened. Joran got into the car. He got in on the right side of the car and sat down behind Satish. The girl had also got into the car through the back car door on the left side. She sat down behind me in the car. I greeted her. I said to her: "Hi" She greeted me back and had told me her name.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005


I had turned around and talked to my friend. After a while I turned around and noticed that Satish, Joran and the girl Natalee were not there any more where I had last seen them stand. I then searched for them in the club but without result. Then I went to look near the bathrooms. I also didn't find them there, I then used the bathroom myself. . After I walked out of the bathroom, I called Joran on his mobile phone. He did not answer. I walked to the parking lot where my car was parked. When I arrived at my car I sat on the ground next to my car, because my brother had the keys. I then called my brother on his mobile phone. I had almot no more minutes on my pre-paid phone so I called him in a way that produces what in English is called a “miss call”. After that my brother phoned me back, I asked him where they were and he said they were still inside and that he would come. After a while Satish came walking, I asked him where Joran was and he said that Joran was still inside. I told Satish to give me the keys and to go find Joran. Satish left again and I got into my car. I stayed inside of the car with the door open. I had one leg outside the car and I was playing music and adjusting my radio set-up. After a while I heard the door on the passenger side open. I saw Satish getting into the car. Joran opened the door behind Satish and also got into the car. I cannot remember if the girl got into the same car door. I do know that she sat down behind me. I turned around somewhat and introduced myself to the girl. She had told me that her name was Natalee.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:05:14 AM
THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOE

6.  FREDDY KNOWS! - NON ISSUE


Deepak Kalpoe is of the opinion that Joran van der Sloot revealed the truth pertaining the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 to Freddy Arambatzis.
_____________

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005


To your question whether I of if Joran told the story to someone else, than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is inside my mobile phone.

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time.


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005


The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house.

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:07:14 AM
THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOE

7.  OBSTRUCTION OF A NON-EXISTENT INVESTIGATION - NON ISSUE


In his own words Deepak Kalpoe claims that on the morning of May 30, 2005 he was attempting to obstruct an anticipated investigation into the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen by implying sexual activity had been involved.  At this point in time, Natalee had yet to be discovered missing by her Mountain Brook friends.
____________________

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005


To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005


You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:08:22 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

8.  JORAN DID IT! - NON-ISSUE


It could be assumed that the words of Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot heard in a secret police audio recording imply that they BOTH know exactly what happened to Natalee Holloway.
________

Translation of the Natalee Holloway Case police report
Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot accuse each other
DIARIO Aruba
4/20/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN
)

J says to the brothers: If they find the girl, then they will see the shit …

D says to J: They’re going to give you 15 years if they find the girl.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/04/translation-of-natalee-holloway-case.html




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:10:05 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

9.  DEEPAK PANICKED!! - NON ISSUE


If Joran van der Sloot’s words in the Peter Devries / Patrick van der Eem video recording exonerates Deepak and Satish Kalpoe from implication in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005, the court testimony of Carlos Ramos’ observation and identification of Deepak Kalpoe can be disregarded.
__________________

Carlos Ramos - Gardener
Court Hearing
August 15, 2005


I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way when I drove along there. I cannot remember on which day I saw the photograph of the persons in the newspaper. The photograph, which the police force showed me, is the same photograph as the photograph that appeared in the Diario. You ask me how can I know or recognize the persons from the photograph in the newspaper or that I had seen that night. The first time then I saw the photograph in the Diario I had been astonished and I said that to colleagues. You represent me that I have explained that I have recognized the persons from their construction and mail hour. You ask me if I could see from my position in the car. My position was a bit is higher, in the turning I had drive concerning a sand hill as a result of which my position was a bit slanted. As a result, I could look at in the car. I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares. You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg41646;topicseen#msg41646


Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005


I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg41646;topicseen#msg41646


NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for July 26, 2005, CNNHN
Aired July 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET


JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00 ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:14:10 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

10.  TIME FRAME INCONSISTENCIES - NON ISSUES


Deepak Kalpoe declareed in his Suspect Statement that he and Satish returned home at 2:20 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005.

Satish Kalpoe declared in his Suspect Statement that it was prior to 2:00 AM when he and Deepak returned home on the morning of May 30, 2005.

However, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe’s mother, Nadira Ramirez, claimed on the Dr. Phil show that her sons returned home at approximately 3:00 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005

The Gardener states in his court testimony that he observed Deepak in his vehicle parked near the Racquet Ball Club across the street from the Marriiott Beach at 2:30 AM.

It appears that Nadira Ramirez’s words to Dr. Phil and the Gardener’s court testimony concur in regards to timeframes.
______________________


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005


Joran got out first and then the girl. He said: Fine, I will see you tomorrow. I asked him how he would get home. He said that he would find a way to get home. I said, and the girl. He answered, I will drop her off at the “Holiday Inn Hotel”, we will walk along the beach and it is very close by. I had asked him, sure. He answered yes, I will see you tomorrow. I do remember that I saw them walking off hand in hand. I drove out of the street to get back onto the road and proceeded driving into the direction of my house ...

To your question as to how late we got home, I can say the following. We arrived home approximately 02.20 hours.


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005


At Joran's request my brother turned right and drove into the street just north of the Marriot Hotel. My brother continued driving up the street until Joran said that he should stop the car. My brother then brought the car to a full stop. My brother asked Joran how he was going to get home. Joran answered that he would find a way to get home. My brother asked Joran if he was sure he would find another way to get home. Joran said that he was sure that he would find a way to get home. At that moment it was approximately 01.45 hours on May 30th 2005. The girl and Joran then got out of the car. Joran and the girl walked towards the beach. Joran and the girl had put their arms around each other while they walked. To your question whether the girl had been drunk and how the girl was walking I can say the following. The girl was at that time well with it and was walking fine too. After we had driven out of this street I asked my brother to slow down and I had thrown the "Yard' cup out of the car on the right side of the road. After that we drove towards our house.


Nadira Ramirez
Dr. Phil Show
September 15, 2005


Natalee Holloway was last seen on May 30th with three young men, Joran van der Sloot and two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. Two of Dr. Phil's investigators, Harold Copus and John Weeks sat down for an exclusive interview with Deepak and Satish's mother, Nadira. She requested that her face not be revealed and after the interview made several attempts to keep what she'd said from being aired on Dr. Phil …

"What time do you think they got in?"

"I assess that it was not four in the morning,” she says. "It's, like, before three or maybe three o'clock. How I know they were home? Because I leave my room door always open when they step out, so when they come they just close my door. And that's the sign that they are home."  

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2732/?id=2732&isTip=&slide=1&null=null


Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005


I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back.


NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for July 26, 2005, CNNHN
Aired July 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET


JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00 ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:16:01 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

11.  THE OBSERVATION OF THE JOGGER - NON ISSUE


The mysterious jogging witness collaborates the court testimony of the gardener.  Why did the jogger not come forward? I do believe that Dave Holloway may have answered the question in August, 2005 when he was a guest on Hannity & Colmes.

 _______________________

NANCY GRACE
Can Aruban Prosecutors Keep Joran Van Der Sloot in Jail?
Aired August 23, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET


ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA-TV: ... Also, the jogger, the latest witness that police are talking about -- this is supposedly the man who called police from a public phone several days after Natalee Holloway disappeared, saying that he saw the car with the Kalpoe brothers and Joran by the racquet club the night that she disappeared. Police are still looking for him. They`re not able to find him because the man, again, called from a public phone and did not leave his name -- Nancy.

NANCY GRACE, HOST:  You know, that was a question we had last night, Jossy, as to why the Aruban police could not trace that phone call from a jogger, a jogger escaping the heat on the island of Aruba the night Natalee went missing. That`s the apparent explanation of why he was out jogging at that time of the night. Jossy, if this is true and he called from a public phone, true, police cannot trace who he is, but it would also give credence. Was that public phone near where Natalee Holloway disappeared?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": That`s what I understand, that this jogger also saw the same car parked at the same spot by the racquet club. However, he did call from a public telephone, and I don`t know whether the police can trace it or not. But according to information I have, they cannot.

GRACE: Well, they already know it`s from a public phone. They know where it was …

Jossy, I want to get everything I can from you that you know about this jogger. Could you just tell me, what night is it the jogger calls police about what he saw?

MANSUR: I think it was two or three nights after Natalee disappeared. I don`t know. I don`t have any of the answers to that. I don`t know any of the facts involved. I know that the police have put out a call for him. They`ve requested us to publish it, where we did publish a request for this man to come forward. And they`ve been on the radio and everywhere else, asking for this jogger to show up, to give his testimony

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/23/ng.01.html


Midnight Jogger Bulletin
DIARIO Aruba
8/22/2005


Police got an anonymous tip from a person who regularly jogs very early in the morning hours, in the area of Rooi Santo and the Aruba Racquet Club.

This person is male and now his information is considered very valuable to Police.

The Police requests that the jogger get in contact with the Police spokesperson, Papito Comencia by telephone at 583-3483 or 582-4000

As of yesterday, this person has not reacted to the request. DIARIO doesn't know if there was someone there to answer the phone. An American journalist tried calling live, but one of the numbers was a fax machine and the other, no one answered.

It is known that this person (witness) possibly saw a very suspicionsly parked vehicle in the early morning hours. This would corroborate the other witness who said that he saw this vehicle, with the suspects Deepak, Satish and Joran.

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 8/22/2005 10:08:00 AM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_08_21_archive.html


Fox Hannity & Colmes, Aug 9th with Dave Holloway

COLMES: The question is cover up or incompetence? Is the person working with you getting to the bottom of it?

HOLLOWAY: I spoke to him today, he is as perplexed about all of this as we are. Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported. That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:18:03 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

12.  A MEETING TO CREATE AN ALIBI - NON ISSUE


Deepak Kalpoe related to one of the security guards while they were both detained in the same period of time in June, 2005 that he was a participant along with Paulus van der Sloot and others in the collaboration of the Holiday Inn fabrication.  Considering the Holiday Inn fabrication was conveyed to Jug and Beth Twitty in the early hours of May 31, 2005, the meeting Deepak had with Paulus and others must taken place on May 30, 2005. 
__________

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
Wednesday, June 29, 2005


MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: ... He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:19:24 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

13.  EARLY MORNING VEHICLE CLEANING - NON ISSUE


In the early morning of May 30, 2005, the Kalpoes were observed by neighbours cleaning Deepak’s vehicle.  The reason?
________

NEW YORK LAWSUIT
Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot.


40. In the early hours of Monday morning, Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleans his silver Nissan.

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp8.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Feb. 16
updated 1:14 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 17, 2006


JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  We know that that early morning, they went into a total clean-up of the car. Witnesses, neighbors that live close to them testified to that. So the clean-up did take place.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11413381/



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:28:08 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

14.   THE HOLIDAY INN FABRICATION - NON ISSUE


Ockham's Razor
You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.


The underlying message that is heard loud and clear in the Holiday Inn fabrication is that Deepak and Satish knew that Natalee Holloway was deceased. Logic dictates that the collaborated fabrication would not allow for the chance that the eighteen years old American citizen would turn up and expose the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot as liars who were despicably obstructing an investigation and disregarding the anguish that an American family was experiencing..
___________

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005


Joran answered to phone and signalled me to turn the volume down of the music. That is what I did. I had also put my car into park. Joran talked a short while with his father. I only heard him say: yes, OK, that's allright. After this Joran closed the phone.

Joran turned to me and said that the police was at his house and that it had been his dad on the phone just now. Joran said that it was about a girl that we went out with last night. Joran looked at me and said: “Shit, that is the same girl we went out with last night”. Then he said at the same time: “what is up with this/wrong with this f***ing bitch”.

After that Joran said to me: “Hey, look. If the police asks about it then we will just say we went away with the girl from Carlos & Charlies, that we did a bit of a road-trip, that he kissed and fingered her, that she fell asleep in the car, that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, that she had fallen down, that he had helped her up and that she walked off”. I said to Joran that it was OK, it was fine. Joran than said to me, let's go home. We then drove from the Wyndham Hotel to Joran's house.  … Then borrowed Joran's phone and called Satish. I told Satish what Joran had told me. The conversation lasted about 3 to 4 minutes. After about 10 minutes Joran phoned Satish. Joran verified with Satish if he remembered the story correctly. Joran talked to Satish about 3 minutes.  


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:34:47 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

15.  THE OBSERVATION OF THE HANDLERS - NON ISSUE


Thirty minutes prior Jug and Beth Twitty’s arrival at the VDS' residence on the morning of May 31, 2005, Deepak Kalpoe’s was observed parked inside the gate of the VDS' compound by the handlers who had met them at the airport upon arriving on the Island.

Deepak’s account of the events encompassing his time at the Radisson was all a lie.  When it is considered that lies are created to cover the truth. What truth was Deepak attempting to hide?
__________

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 44

Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like. This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes. Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn ...

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was. A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described. They wrote down the license plate number and the address. On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Case Number: BC3 63401

Name: Holloway Group and MR Stamper
Date: 31 may 2005 / 02:50
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator. Robert Kock / Lindo Pantophlet / Eric Ras
Description: witness statement


Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

Once we arrive Mat and Ruffner, the two men from home, go around to the back to make sure no one tries to leave. Jug gets out and goes to the front  with the officers. The silver Honda isn't there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door. He is Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot. He has his cell phone in his hand. The police ask to see Joran. Paulus responds that he isn't home and calls his son to find out where he is. He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

Page 46
We arrive at the Wyndham, and the car barely stops rolling before I jump out, and literally run through the police officers and Paulus to be the first one in the casino.  Frantically I look left and right and left again, asking the pit bosses if they have seen Joran.  I run straight to the back where Joran told his father he would be and return to the the front.  There is no sign of him.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005


At about 00:00 hours, I had arrived at the Raddison Hotel. I parked my car in the parking lot and walked to the casino. When I got inside, I saw that Joran was in the poker room and that he was playing at a table. I saw that Guido was seated at another poker table also playing poker, I had seen another friend Andre who was also in the poker room. I do not know the surname of Andre. Andre was not playing poker. At some moment in time Andre had come over to where I was and had greeted me. Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino. I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks .I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".

At about 02:15 (3:15?) hours, we, that is Andre and me said to Joran that this wasn't fun anymore/we weren't having fun anymore and that he should cash in his chips so that we could leave. Joran was in agreement and went to cash in his chips. After this Joran exited the poker room and went to the bathroom. When he was done the four of us went into the casino and stood there. We had been talking about the tourist that had been looking for trouble. Because all of the blackjack tables in the casino were full, Joran and I decided to go to the Wyndham Casino. Guido had said that he was going home and that he would drop off Andre at his place. Joran and me walked to my car that was parked on the parking lot. We got into the car and we drove to the Wyndham Hotel.

When I was parking my car in the parking lot, Joran's phone went off. Joran had said Paul. So I knew that it was Joran's father. Joran answered to phone and signalled me to turn the volume down of the music. That is what I did. I had also put my car into park. Joran talked a short while with his father. I only heard him say: yes, OK, that's allright. After this Joran closed the phone.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:39:46 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

16.  THE EARLY MORNING MEETING AT BUBALI - NON ISSUE


Why was Deepak's vehicle sitting in the parking lot of the Bubali police station at 8:00 AM on the morning of May 31, 2005?  It was less than two hours following the disbursement of those who were present at the early morning gathering at the VDS resident and following the trip to the Holiday Inn.  It was less than two hours after Deepak claimed he had driven home in his own vehicle?

Deepak claims in his Suspect Statement that he drove directly home from the VDS residence following the disbursement of the Twitty gathering. There was no mention of going to the Bubali police station. Yet, Satish's words in his Suspect Statement declare otherwise.

Could it be that potential Natalee Holloway related DNA evidence dictated impounding? Was Deepak driven home by Aruban police?
_________

Beth Hollowy
LOVING NATALEE
Page 59


Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o'clock sharp. One of the first things I notice is Deepak Kalpoe's silver-gray car parked in the back. It's definitely his. I spent a lot of time staring at it last night. The tag The details. Not sure what to make of this, I mentally prepare myself for an encounter with Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe inside the police station. And maybe I'll also get a look at the other guy, Satish ...

After almost three hours detective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn't need me today. He won't take our statements today. What? I don't understand. Did the young men give theirs? We never see them, but Deepak's car is still outside. Are they upstairs in the loft area? Can they see me?


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

 
How late did you wake up on Tuesday?

I had awoken at approximately 06.30 hours on Tuesday.

Was Deepak home at that time?

Deepak had just come home. I had asked Deepak where he had been. Deepak then told me he came from the police station. Deepak told me that he had to go to the police station because of the girl that had been with us on Sunday May 29th 2005.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005


The police officers drove from the Holiday Inn to Joran's house. The police had dropped us off at Joran's house.

We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.

It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door.

I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera. At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.

At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home. I had locked my car and walked to the front door. Before I could open the door, Satish had opened the door ...

Satish signaled me not to make noise because my mother was still sleeping. We walked to Satish's bedroom. When I got into his bedroom he asked me what precisely was going on ...

After that Satish said to me that we would talk later, but that he needed to get ready to go to school.. Then I said to him that I would be going to bed too. I walked to my bedroom and turned on my airco and my computer and I went on "msn messenger". I had then turned off the screen of my computer and the loudspeakers. I sat down on my bed, took off my shoes and fell asleep. I was very tired. And that was in the night from Monday to Tuesday.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:43:17 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

17.  DECLARATION -DEEPAK RAPED AND MURDERED NATALEE - NON-ISSUE


In a declaration dated June 13, 2005, Joran van der Sloot implied that DEEPAK could have raped, murdered and buried Natalee Holloway.
________

On the Record w/ Greta
Free and Clear?
Wednesday, August 24, 2005


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST:  What do you make of the fact that, apparently, on this June 13 declaration, Joran says — at least, we're told — that Deepak raped and murdered — I think raped and buried, or something like that, Natalee? Do you know anything about that?

DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE'S ATTORNEY:  Yes. No, that was a statement that was given. I think, though, it's — because I saw it, too, that it appeared here in the newspaper. But I think you have to put it into context, that that was just one of the stories that Joran told, and that afterwards, he has changed his story again.

It wasn't a statement that he signed, it was something that the police said that he declared during a conversation, that he said, yes, something must have gone wrong with the girl. And then when they asked him, What do you think, and he says, Well, I think maybe after I got — because that was at a time when he was stating that Deepak came and picked him up here and dropped him at home, which was also impossible because of the records afterwards, but at that time, he did not know that.

So he came up with that story that Deepak picked him up, dropped him at home, and he assumed that something went wrong, so that maybe, Deepak, knowing that the girl was here lying on the beach, came back and then did something to the girl and then bury her, no? But yes, I don't know if that was a story told, you know, as a joke, if it was maybe speaking as in a third person type of situation. I mean, but what we know is that afterwards, his statements have changed, so, you know? We don't have to only focus on that one.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166635,00.html


5.02.2006
Leaked report shows that
Joran declared that Deepak Kalpoe raped and killed Natalee
DIARIO Aruba
05/02/2006


Today, this publication has reproduced a copy of the leaked report (dated June 13, 2005), and in this report readers themselves can read how a policeman declared that he spoke informally with Joran; this was not in an official interrogation.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_30_archive.html


Proces-verbaal findings

I, Jan van der STRATEN, police chief with the Aruban Police Corps, state the following.

On Monday June 13th 2005, at approximately 13.00 hours I spoke informally with the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus v/d SLOOT at the police station in Oranjestad.

On my question to Joran whether he can tell me what happened after the girl had fallen asleep on the beach near Fisherman's Hut, he answered:

“I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”

To my question where the girl was buried, he answered: “I think that she was buried next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, the rest I would not know.”

During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.

Joran also indicated that he was very sorry for his family and that he had the best contact with his father.

When I asked him why did he lie to his father about the Holiday Inn, Joran answered that he had disappointed his father with that.

Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.

J. van der STRATEN


http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/janvds.htm



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:45:25 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

18.  FBI ASSISTANCE RESISTED - NON ISSUE


Why would Deepak and Satish Kalpoe resist FBI assistance in the Aruban investigation if participation in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 was was limited to dropping Joran Van Sloot and Natalee Holloway off at the beach?
__________
 
PRIVIELEGE LOG TXT FORMAT PDF PAGE 119 - 144

Name/Title: Complaint by Satish Kalpoe regarding FBI assistance
Date: 5 August 2005
File #: p-2005/03533
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Aruban Court
Responsive to Request 32

Name/Title: Complaint By Deepak Kalpoe regarding FBI assistance
Date: 5t August 2005
File #: p-2005103532
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator.. Aruban Court (Gerecht In Eerste Aanleg)



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 01:50:30 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

19.  A SWORD AND A SHIELD - NON ISSUE


Could it be that Joran’s van der Sloot’s video recording exonerating Deepak and Satish’s participation in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 provide the brothers’ attorney a LEGAL avenue that will allow him to withhold incriminating document in the lawsuit again Phil McGraw.
__________
 
Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 02:05:26 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

20.  DEEPAK DEFAMES NATALEE'S CHARACTER - NON ISSUE


It is ironic that Deepak Kalpoe is suing Phil McGraw for defamation of character when his words in the Jamie Skeeter interview are considered.
_________

Jamie Skeeter/Deepak Kalpoe Interview

“To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one, too.”

“Would go into a car with three strange guys, and her mother, claiming her to be the goody-two-shoes."

http://scrux.com/natalee/skeetersseg6script.htm


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 02:18:43 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

21. UNSUSPECTING TOURISTS - NON ISSUE


Think about it.  Why would American girls consent to having sex with Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe in the same room?  Logic dictates drugs and/or alcohol were part of an overall plan.
_______

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005


To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.


'Scarborough Country' for August 26
updated 12:49 p.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 29, 2005


LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST:  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 02:29:18 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

22.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 02:29:58 AM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

23.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2009, 06:53:46 PM
1.  Has the American judge who refused in February, 2008 to dismiss the defamation suit by the Kalpoes read a report of the FBI analyst of the Jamie Skeepters' hard drive?  What evidence to the Kalpoes attorneys present to the American judge in their motion to have the case dismissed?

2.  If Phil McGraw's position is that his tape of the Jamie Skeeters/Deepak Kalpoe interview was not manipulated in a manner that deceptively implicated Deepak or Satish in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005, why are official documents pertaining to the Aruban investigation being requested.  Should the hard drive not stand alone?

3.  Joran van der Sloot exoneration of the Kalpoe brothers should have no baring on the defamation lawsuit outcome.  The issue is the revealed truth in regards to Deepak's words which were recorded on Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

4.  If John Q. Kelly believe that there were legal jurisdiction grounds that would allow the parents of Natalee Holloway to sue the Kalpoe brothers, why did the American judge ruled to the contrary.

Somehow, I believe that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are going to prevail.  The writing appears to be on the wall.

Janet

_______


Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. PhilLOS ANGELES (AP) ―
 

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

(© 2009 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.)

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Magnolia on February 11, 2009, 10:59:03 AM
Hey Janet,
I appreciate all of your hard work.  You have done a good job.
I don't know where to find it, but the last real long statement
from the Kalpoe/McGraw lawsuit, maybe the last quarter of 2008,
had a sworn deposition from Larry Garrison included in it.
In that statement Garrison swore that he had talked with Deepak
about writing a book, and Deepak had told him that they all had
sex with Natalee.  I think that is a very important statement.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Kermit on February 11, 2009, 04:31:36 PM
Well done Janet.

Didn't Judge Smid state the Kalpoes were involved in "body disposal", but he still let them go free.




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Kermit on February 11, 2009, 04:33:10 PM
“a shield against disclosing information when the disclosure might have helped the defense, and as a sword against the defense when disclosure might serve his clients’ and the prosecutors’ tactical interests.”
(Alan Deshowitz brief in the Claus von Bulow trial)




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 04:42:33 PM
Well done Janet.

Didn't Judge Smid state the Kalpoes were involved in "body disposal", but he still let them go free.




Thank you Kermit.  Although I did not have to research the contents of this document to great degree as I already had the info saved ... the compilation did take both my DIL and myself a lot of time.  The time spent by DIL was a sacrifice.  Life outside the computer room demands most of her time.

Anyways ... the format of the final document did differ somewhat from what I posted but ... the drift was the same.

Ribbit.

Janet



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 05:24:06 PM
Well done Janet.

Didn't Judge Smid state the Kalpoes were involved in "body disposal", but he still let them go free.




Kermit ... it is my understand that "disposal of a body" was never a suspicion that deemed the detentions of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Janet

++++++


FIRST ARREST - JUNE, 2005 - KARIN JANSSEN

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005


Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


SECOND ARREST - AUGUST, 2005 - KARIN JANSSEN

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT
)

(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


THIRD ARREST - NOVEMBER, 2007 - HANS MOS

Three Young Men Re-Arrested in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Thursday, November 22, 2007


Dutch student Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway, the prosecutor's office said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312488,00.html




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 06:43:07 PM
Hey Janet,
I appreciate all of your hard work.  You have done a good job.
I don't know where to find it, but the last real long statement
from the Kalpoe/McGraw lawsuit, maybe the last quarter of 2008,
had a sworn deposition from Larry Garrison included in it.
In that statement Garrison swore that he had talked with Deepak
about writing a book, and Deepak had told him that they all had
sex with Natalee.  I think that is a very important statement.

Janet,
I took screenshots of the pages I thought would help here.  They are taken from a pdf document titled KaySkeeters112408.  If you want to get the information you need and then have Klaas or one of the mods remove this post, that's fine with me.

TM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/Garrison01.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/Garrison02.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/Garrison03.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/Garrison04.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/Garrison05.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/Garrison06.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/Garrison07.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/Garrison08.jpg)














Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 06:52:46 PM
Thank you texasmom

Could have please have the link to this disposition.

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2009, 07:03:03 PM
Thank you texasmom

Could have please have the link to this disposition.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.320

Posted by Klaasend

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #332 on: November 27, 2008, 03:16:36 PM » 

Quote
Here are the recently filed docs in the Dr. Phil vs Kalpoe case.  I'm not going to do screen captures unless you guys really need them.

Pages 59 -67 of the KaySkeeters doc is pretty interresting  ::MonkeyWink:: 
 
 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 08:45:49 PM
Klaas ... thank you for moving this thread from the Monkey Lounge.

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2009, 08:53:33 PM

 ::cartwheel::

Thanks texasmom

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Kermit on February 11, 2009, 10:20:11 PM
Janet,
You and your daughter-in-law have done excellent work. I'm not sure if this is anything worth an addendum or not, however in my mind it says even a Judge is aware of some evidence that is convincing enough that the Kalpoe brothers were involved in a crime. The fact that they have not been charged points more towards the cover-up in place as your document covers.



The judge reasoned Friday that “the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse,” prosecutors said.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html
AND
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/11/30/natalee-hoolloway-investigation-aruban-judge-orders-kalpoe-brothers-to-be-released/


"There's no doubt in my mind that she's dead," said Hans Mos. "I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/26/holloway.arrest/index.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Kermit on February 11, 2009, 10:23:51 PM
This part of the statement "or of the disposing of a corpse,"
lends to the evidence that the prosecutor has and the judge has seen indicates that they are aware of something that says the  Kalpoe brothers were involved in getting rid of Natalee's body and/or covering up. In other words, they have knowledge and there is some kind of evidence to prove that. Yet the Aruba Prosecutors and Judges do nothing.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Kermit on February 11, 2009, 10:27:27 PM
I swear Magnolia has an incredible memory.
I remember Larry Garrison talking about a book deal with Joran and also Skeeters mentions in the tape with Deepak who wanted to get a book deal.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Lifesong on February 11, 2009, 11:04:10 PM
Janet -

Beautifully organized, as usual!  Thank you for your hard work, it's good to have all this documentation of the Kalpoe's involvement together in one place.

As I started reading your thoughts regarding the DeVries hidden-camera confession, I was reminded of doubts I had a year ago which I've never resolved. 

The quotes and statements you have included here from Mos, etc. regarding the important "new" evidence they had in November 2007 for the re-arrests, in hindsight, shines a spotlight on the hinkiness of that entire ordeal.  (10 lawyers around a table, indeed.)


Quote
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2605.msg350638#msg350638

Lifesong
   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
« Reply #749 on: February 15, 2008, 01:04:54 PM »

Ya know - while most of these recent events in last few months don't sit right with me, joran's confession notwithstanding, two of them are especially troubling.

First, when Joran was arrested in November, there were reports of infiltration and secret recording of him by someone close to him in Holland.  This was not part of the 'new' evidence Mos presented and these reports were never explained.

Second, both Peter and Patrick stated in interviews that either the day before or the actual day that they were supposed to start recording Joran in the outfitted SUV he was suddenly arrested and taken to Aruba.
These two items of information taken together lead me to believe that Joran was arrested and returned to Aruba to PREVENT him from confessing on the hidden tapes.   Even JQK said Mos didn't have anything new at the time.


BUCKSHOT
   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
« Reply #770 on: February 15, 2008, 01:33:26 PM »
 
The reality of the situation is that Joran was arrested so he could be told about Patrick and Peter's secret taping, in addition to raising the bar that much higher for a future detainment. DO NOT KID YOURSELF, ARUBA HAS PLANNED THIS OUT AND PATIENTLY WAITED FOR THE APPROPRIATE TIME(S) TO MOST EFFECTIVELY DERAIL THE PROCESS.
 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 12, 2009, 01:16:23 AM
Janet,
You and your daughter-in-law have done excellent work. I'm not sure if this is anything worth an addendum or not, however in my mind it says even a Judge is aware of some evidence that is convincing enough that the Kalpoe brothers were involved in a crime. The fact that they have not been charged points more towards the cover-up in place as your document covers.



The judge reasoned Friday that “the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse,” prosecutors said.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html
AND
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/11/30/natalee-hoolloway-investigation-aruban-judge-orders-kalpoe-brothers-to-be-released/


"There's no doubt in my mind that she's dead," said Hans Mos. "I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/26/holloway.arrest/index.html



Thanks Kermit.

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2009, 04:25:23 PM
BUMP


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2009, 01:02:19 PM
THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

24.  ACCORDING TO GEROLD DOMPIG TAPE


The Dana Pretzer Show - December 1st, 2006 Jossy Mansur, Jacques Hollander and Micheal Winston

December 2nd, 2006


42:00

MANSUR: I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape. Which would be 8 years imprisonment.  According to Gerold Dompig, the three boys admitted "that they did ‘have sex with’ this girl when she was going in and out of consciousness. This is a fact.

<snipped>

I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape.  Which would be 8 years imprisonment.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/02/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-1st-2006-jossy-mansur-jacques-mansur-and-micheal-winston/


The LineUp 12-03-06

Jossy Mansur (Editor of Dario Newspaper in Aruba) by phone:


Kimberly: I got to ask you what did the former police chief say to you about Joran Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers involvement in Natalees disappearance.

Jossy: He definitely confirmed that they admitted to the police that they had molested the girl while she was going in and out of consciousness but among other things that he said.

Kimberly: And how long was this conversation and who specifically did you speak to.

Jossy: I spoke to Gerald Dompig the conversation took place in my office for about an hour and I have it all on video tape.

Kimberly: Any why did you video tape it Jossy?

Jossy: Because as the Diario we usually do that with people we dont trust to begin with. To have a documented proof of whatever we are going to publish in the future.

Kimberly: Alright well there are many people who doubt that you have this tape and want to know in fact is contained in this video tape? Do you have a transcript of this?

Jossy: You know many people doubt many things I say but after I publish the truth everybody becomes quiet. They go into a profound silence. But we have the proof I have the tape the video tape, we have various copies of it made.

Kimberly: OK and you claim to have a transcript in fact that links the boys to Natalees disappearance. Do you have that for us that you can read a portion of that?

Jossy: I can read a portion for you for example when I asked him about the case he said well you know we cannot go because we dont have a body but you have a model crime and on the basis of their own declarations, Im quoting him at the bottom now and then he said look if its not rape they fingered her, they did a lot of things to her according to their own declarations and he we have an article in our penal code that provides an eight year sentence for that. If you do that to a girl who is not conscious they themselves said that she passed out on (inaudible) phases in the car. That means if you do that to a person who cannot defend herself its eight years. He told me this (inaudible) Im quoting from the tape.

Kimberly: And what else did he tell you?

Jossy: He told me many other things. For example you are not talking about Joran alone because while the other guy was driving the car they were making out with the girl in the back.

Kimberly: And when you say they who was he referring to did he specify the Kalpoe brothers?

Jossy: He said the Kalpoe brothers with Joran yes.

Kimberly: Did you ask him why he didnt do anything with this information and why a case wasnt presented by the prosecutor?

Jossy: No because I thought they would proceed on the basis of a model crime because he confirmed that these three suspects admitted this to the police.

Kimberly: Jossy have you presented this tape to the new police chief or the prosecutors office. Who else has the information?

Jossy: The tape I only have the tape, I havent given it to anyone because so many things have happened in this case and so many mistrusts of who you can trust and who you cannot trust so I will present it to the prosecution when this case goes to court.

Kimberly: Jossy Mansur thank you for being on with me tonight.

http://www.katablog.com/day_blogs.cfm?d=4&m=12&y=2006


VIDEO - GEROLD DOMPIG

Lineup with Jossy Mansur and Kimberly Guilfoyle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSWgZm6ivo




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2009, 09:58:38 PM
Aruba: Natalee Holloway: Deepak & Satish Kalpoe Suing Dr Phil for Defamation … Doesn’t One Have to First have Character?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/14/aruba-natalee-holloway-deepak-satish-kalpoe-suing-dr-phil-for-defamation-doesnt-one-have-to-first-have-character/





Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 25, 2009, 01:06:34 PM
Klaas

If you have time, could you review the latest Dr. Phil/K2 documents and see if there is anything important?  TIA

04/22/2009 Miscellaneous-Other (SIXTH JOINT SEPARATE STATEMENT, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

04/13/2009 Miscellaneous-Other (FIFTH JOINT SEPARATE STATEMENT RE SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

04/13/2009 Proof of Service (RE FIFTH JOINT SEPARATE STATEMENT, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Sure Buckeye - give me a few minutes.


This is the 04/22/09 doc which includes more or less the 4/13 docs as well:


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Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2009, 10:05:13 PM
THE PHIL MCGRAW DEFAMATION LAWSUIT

I somehow think that the Skeeter tape may have been manipulated ... not edited.

Considering ... the disputed segment of the taped Skeeters' interview is at the foundation of the defamation lawsuit ... why would Phil McGraw's attorneys not just get a forensic report of the hard drive from the FBI.  If the tape is deemed not to have been manipulated to imply Deepak said something he did not ... then the Kalpoes loose.

I cannot comprehend why all the Aruban documents from the Natalee Holloway case file related to the Kalpoes are being requested.  This implies to me that Phil McGraw's attorney are attempting to find something else besides the Skeeters' tape that proves that the Kalpoes were not defamed.

The following words from the proscutors office as well the words of the spokesperson for the investigation indicate to me that Phil McGraw never defamed the Kalpoes.

Janet

+++++++

STATEMENT - THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

CNN - August 27, 2005

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html

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THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE INVESTIGATION

Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005


A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.

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CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) -- Serious sunshiny days and sun-kissed smiles are about to greet the Caribbean island of Aruba sometime soon. Tourism has been shattered by the case of a single incident of an Alabama girl missing since spring break of last year. Closure on the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance seems imminent. The timeline drawn is about six to seven months from yesterday's announcement.

This, according to SMDG Consulting Team chairman Stephen Cohen, adviser to the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) and the Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force who spoke at the Caribbean Marketplace being held in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Cohen's team is tasked with bringing out the facts in the case and establishing a more orderly approach in dealing with the media in a crisis situation. A seasoned television news expert from CBS, Cohen has been part of the SMDG team since the beginning of the investigations.

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2009, 06:52:56 PM
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Credit: Klaas




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2009, 06:53:18 PM
Attached below are 3 PDF's with SM watermarks.  You can save them to your PC but I believe they save with the watermarks. 

The best part is the page I've already posted.  Two of the PDF's are single page and nothing really.  The 16 page one has all the interresting info regarding the ruling in favor of the Skeeters estate:

See attached PDF's


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2009, 06:54:34 PM
 KalpoeDrPhil050609aWM.pdf (1515.14 KB - downloaded 4 times.)
 KalpoeDrPhil050609bWM.pdf (86.89 KB - downloaded 1 times.)
 KalpoeDrPhil050609cWM.pdf (98.6 KB - downloaded 2 times.)


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2009, 10:27:04 PM


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Credit: Klaas


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 11, 2009, 10:34:53 AM
Satish Kalpoe ... in his own words ... attests that he know that something was not right in regards to Natalee Holloway prior to returning home on the morning of May 30, 2005.
________

Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

When we got home I went to sleep right away. I don´t know what my brother went to do. In the morning, at 6.30 a.m. my mother woke me up so I had to go to school. I told her I would not have classes that early and that my classes would start at 11.00 a.m.

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing.  He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach. That day Joran did not tell my brother exactly when had happened on the beach.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 11, 2009, 10:42:10 AM
It is implied that Satish and Deepak both stuck to their story ... the story that Joran and Natalee were dropped off at the beach on the morning of May 30, 2005 and they drove home ... the story that neither returned to the beach to pick up Joran.

Satish Kalpoe ... in his own words ... states that Deepak shared that he returned to the beach area and picked up Joran.
________

Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

When we got home I went to sleep right away. I don´t know what my brother went to do. In the morning, at 6.30 a.m. my mother woke me up so I had to go to school. I told her I would not have classes that early and that my classes would start at 11.00 a.m.

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing.  He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach. That day Joran did not tell my brother exactly when had happened on the beach.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 11, 2009, 11:08:40 AM
A story that Natalee and Joran were dropped off at the beach on the morning of May 30, 2005 by Deepak and Satish following a drive is not about to net Deepak $250,000 in either a book or movie deal.  Logic dictates the full story this Kalpoe brother withheld from authorities.

+++++++++
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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - December 1, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  Oh, you know, Rita, not only hearing that, but I actually saw it come across someone's Blackberry, a reporter, where Deepak was saying that he wanted $250,000 in a book or a movie deal. You know, and I had to see it, like I said, come across a reporter's Blackberry. Deepak's been reaching out to various reporters in the United States since early on.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 11, 2009, 02:09:14 PM
FREDDY KNOWS!!

Freddy Armbatzis declares in his June 12, 2005 witness statement that Joran shared with him on May 31, 2005 that the last time he was with Natalee Holloway she "did not regain consciousness" ... she "did not regain consciousness" while in the presence of Joran, Deepak and Satish.

It should be noted that in none of Joran van der Sloot's statement did he declare what Freddy claims.  It should be noted that in none of Deepak and Satish's statements did they declare what Freddy claims.
_________

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 11, 2005

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time. If you go and talk to Freddy, he will tell you the made up story and maybe also the truth.

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.Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401

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Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend

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Van der Sloot, Joran; Zvezdana Vukojevic (2007) (in Dutch). De zaak Natalee Holloway: mijn eigen verhaal over haar verdwijning op Aruba. Amsterdam: Sijthoff. ISBN 9789021800141. OCLC 150235828.
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Freddy Arambatzis - Witness Statement - June 12, 2005
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Page 160/161

I am the best friend and neighbor of Joran. We got to know each other about two years ago. Joran and myself are both really into sports and that is how we became good friends.

(THE LIE?)

Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house. He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together. After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her. They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba. The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves. After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away. (....)


(THE TRUTH?)

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish. On the evening of June the third, I met Joran at his house. (....) He told met that during this period, he could not remember if they had bought something to eat or did anything else.

Translation Credit: Rammstein


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 11, 2009, 03:47:13 PM

According to Arlene Ellis-Schipper ... an Aruban attorney ... the investigation spokesperson ... under Dutch Law the family of the main suspect is given a free pass to obstruction the investigation.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY NEVER STOOD A CHANCE!!

++++++++

KARIN JANSSEN - ARUBAN PROSECUTOR

'The Abrams Report' - June 30, 2005

CAREN JANSSEN, CHIEF PROSECUTOR IN ARUBA: The father has spoken with those three suspects and he said he gave them some legal advice, but I think the advices was going further than that. They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don‘t have a case and that was already in the first day after the disappearance. And secondly, the father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. That is, well, I can say, was an obstruction of the investigation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8416795/

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ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER - ARUBAN ATTORNEY

‘The Abrams Report’ - July 1, 2005.

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777

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PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT - FATHER OF MAIN SUSPECT

Paulus van der Sloot - Witness Statement - June 18, 2005

I believed the story that Joran, Deepak and Satish told, until Joran changed his statement. After that Freddy came to us and told us a different story. Joran had gone with the girl to the beach. (With Freddy is meant the witness Freddy ZEDAN; comment TROMP).

Freddy had told this story shortly after he was interviewed by the police. He had called my wife and had said that he found it important to tell the truth. After that he came over to us and he first talked to my wife. After that he came back one time and and he spoke with Joran's lawyer, his parents, me and my wife were also present. My wife and myself were very crushed/saddened/injured and angry at Joran for apparently not telling us the truth. My wife and the lawyer then confronted Joran about this.  According to my wife Joran reacted calmly and said that he had always told Freddy the truth.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2009, 07:28:26 PM
IF the Phil McGraw tape was deceptively manipulated ... the McGraw attorneys would be planning the defence from the get go ... the defence to prove that Deepak was not defamed by the deceptively manipulated tape ... the defence that Deepak had previously defamed himself ... the defence that others withn the investigation had defamed him.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2009, 07:31:30 PM
If the Phil McGraw tape was deceptively altered and Deepak appeared to be defamed ... THEN I can understand why McGraw's attorneys are requesting documentation to prove that Deepak was not defamed ... documentation that proved Deepak had previously defamed himself ... documentation that proved that the spokesman for the investigation had defamed Deepak in the past and ... documentation that proves that the Prosecutor of the case had defamed Deepak in the past.

However ... if the Phil McGraw tape was not deceptively altered ... then the words within should concur when compared with the audio recording from Skeeters' hard drive and ... therefore case documents are not required.

Considering Phil McGraw's attorneys are requesting case documents causes me to speculate that the McGraw tape was deceptively altered.

IMO


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2009, 07:33:48 PM
Roger from SCRUX kept flip flopping on the origins of the tape of the Deepak/Skeeter's interview he came in position of.

I am not sure if the links are still valid.

When all is said and done ... it is the comparison of the Phil McGraw taped audio recording that his TV view audience were privy to and ... Skeeters' hard drive audio recording ... that will affirm whether or not any deceptive manipulation occured on the part of McGraw ... that will affirm if Deepak has a basis for his defamation lawsuit..

Janet

+++++++++

1.  ORIGINAL CLAIM

Roger - January, 2006


"This is the real thing, uncut and unedited. What was broadcast on the Dr. Phil show was edited, censored, cut and pasted, to give a distorted view of what Deepak had to say. You will be amazed at the differences."

The entire Skeeters Deepak interview video and transcript

Here are links to the entire video. This is the exact original as tested by the NFI ...


2.  REVISED CLAIM

Roger - January 30, 2006


I only know what I have been told. I received the recording directly from the Aruban Police Department. I was told that it is exactly what was provided to the NFI (Netherlands Forensic Institute) and verified as having not been manipulated in any way.

<snipped>

Some people have speculated that I probably got this from a defense attorney or maybe one of the Aruban public relations groups. I did not get a copy from any of those sources. I simply would not have hosted the recording if it had come from anyone other than the proper authority. Receiving this directly from the Aruban Police provided me assurance and confidence that it was exactly what they maintained it to be.

http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=118

 
3.  REVISED, REVISED CLAIM

Roger - February, 2006


While this must be regarded as unsubstantiated information, it appears to be the real thing, uncut and unedited. What was broadcast on the Dr. Phil show was edited, censored, cut and pasted, to give a distorted view of what Deepak had to say. You will be amazed at the differences. However, we must say that we have not had the version we are hosting tested. We think that it is real. However, no one can know for sure, unless we are able to have a professional, forensic, audiology laboratory check the recording to see if this version has been altered. I have not had such a test conducted, but I would welcome just such an evaluation

The entire Skeeters Deepak interview video and transcript

Here are links to the entire video. This was represented to us as the exact original as tested by the NFI (although that is unsubstantiated) ...

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/deepakskeetersvideo.htm

 
4.  REVISED REVISED, REVISED CLAIM

Roger -February, 2006


Here are links to the entire video. This was represented to us as the exact original as tested by the NFI (although that is unsubstantiated). The whole file is so large that it is impractical to put up on the net, but I divided it into manageable segments. Each one is ten minutes. After the first, each subsequent segment also includes about 30 seconds of over lap (the last 30 seconds of the previous one is included on each segment) for continuity.

There has been no further encoding (as is done to make videos web presentable). This is the exact original which Aruba and subsequently, the NFI, tested and reported as being unaltered (not manipulated).

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/deepakskeetersvideo.htm


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2009, 07:35:53 PM
If the Kalpoes are put in a position of being required to testify under oath in regards to anything that would incriminate them or Aruba ... they will both just drop the lawsuit.

However ... considering their backers are unknown and ... the Kalpoes are adults without means ...  Phil McGraw's attorneys are going to receive zilch in a frivolous lawsuit claim.

If the defamation lawsuit is dropped ... the financial backers will pay the Kalpoes' attorney fees and other costs Deepak and Satish may have occurred.  The Kalpoes may receive an already negotiated settlement from the financial backers for their participation.

It is the financial backers of the defamation lawsuit who will reap any monies awarded through an anticipated negotiated settlement with Phil McGraw.

IMO


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2009, 07:38:02 PM
I know the following transcript negates my theory but ... something is not right when it is considered that Skeeters' hard drive and the disputed segment of McGraw's tape cannot stand alone in this defamation lawsuit.

Janet

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'The Abrams Report' - December 1, 2005

DAN ABRAMS, HOST:  Coming up, the Aruban government now claims that a crucial piece of videotape evidence in the Natalee Holloway investigation has been doctored and that one of the suspects did not say that he had sex with Natalee Holloway.  We have got all the versions of the tape ...

Transcript
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2009, 07:39:19 PM
I feel I am in a twilight zone.

Could somebody please explain to me WHY Phil McGraw's attorneys are requesting case documents when a comparison of Skeeters' hard drive and the disputed segment of the McGraw tape will reveal the truth?

The judge and/or jury could listen to both audio recordings ... listen to expert testimony.

Case Closed!!

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2009, 07:41:10 PM
Deepak's attorneys never had any intentions of turning over case files yet ... a defamation lawsuit was filed against Phil McGraw.  Could it be that these attorneys entered into the defamation lawsuit convinced that a comparison of Skeeters' hard drive and ... the Dr. Phil tape would reveal a deceptive manipulatin had taken place?

IMO

Janet

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Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR HOLLOWAY FAMILY:  I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2009, 07:45:56 PM
Maybe the backers of the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit were convinced that Phil McGraw's representatives would negotiate settlement ... were convinced that Skeeters' hard drive and the McGraw tape would not concur.

However ... I believe that Phil McGraw's attorneys may have come up with another strategy rather than settle ... lose credibility and ... lose millions.

It be that McGraw's attorneys have conceded that Deepak was defamed by McGraw in the disputed segment if the tape stands alone but ... with backup from case documents that Deepak previously defamed himself ... backup from case documents that the official spokesperson had defamed Deepak and ... backup from case documents that the prosecutor had defamed Deepak ...

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2009, 07:47:11 PM
I could be wrong.

However ... the requesting of case documents by McGraw's attorneys does not make sense.  The comparison of the Skeeter's audio recording/hard drive and the disputed segment of Mcraw's copy of the audio recording that was heard by his TV viewing audience ... should be were it is at.

Also ... I cannot comprehend the reasoning behind this multi million dollar lawsuit unless the Kalpoes' backers are convinced there was a deceptive manipulation by Phil McGraw.  Think about it.  These backers realized that a comparation of Skeeters hard drive and ... the Phil McGraw disputed copy will reveal the truth.

Phil McGraw's request of case documents implies to me that his copy was deceptively manipulated and without official backup to the contrary .... Deepak was defamed.

I predict if the official backup case documents are not forthcoming as the Natalee Holloway case has not been officially closed ... Phil McGraw will settle.  

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2009, 07:48:51 PM
THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT

Considering the ruling of the judge in the defamation lawsuit has given Skeeters' audio recording a pass in regards to any manipulation ... the question now is the Phil McGraw's "edited" recording heard by his TV viewing audience.

It is my contention IF the disputed portion of Phil McGraw's audio recording was not deceptively manipulated ... it could stand alone in a court of law in regards to the defamation of Deepak when it is compared to Skeeters' audio recording.  In other words ... no backup case documents should be necessary?

I contend that the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw's copy of the audio recording may have been deceptively manipulated and ... that is the reason backup documents have been requested by his attorneys.  McGraw has to proved that he did not defame Deepak in front of America.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 11:29:07 AM
The following theory gives Peter Devries and Patrick vander Eem the benefit of the doubt that they were unknowingly being used as pawns in the Aruban coverup agenda.

The Dutch and Aruban law enforcements were aware of the project  at the time when Joran, Deepak and Satish were detained in November/December, 2007.  Both these law enforcements had been approach for cooperation with the secret recordings but ... Patrick and Peter were informed that Dutch law prevent that from happening so ... they were on their won.

My position has always been that those who share with Aruban Law Enforcement ... Aruban prosecutors ... in the name of justice for Natalee Holloway are being naive.  They do not get it ... those within both these levels of the Aruban Justice System have been behind the coverup agenda since the getgo ... those within both these levels of the of the Aruban Justice System are beholding to Rudy Croes.

In other words ... I contend it is possible that during Joran', Deepak and Satish's detention in Nov/Dec 2007 ... Patrick vander Eem and Peter Deviries were betrayed.  Is it possible that this detention was a time for getting stories straight and ... a collaborated plan for the "fifth car trip" was in the works ... a collaborated plan that would absolve Deepak and Satist from implication ... a collaborated plan that dictated that implication stopped and ended with Joran van der Sloot and and an unknow accomplish.

Think about it.  The "fifth car trip" segment ... the final segement ... the confession segment took place a short time following Joran, Deepak and Satish's release from detention ... a detention that resulted in insufficient evidence.

Janet

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.  

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 11:49:51 AM
Joran persona non grata’

Amigoe.com
02/08/2008


Justice-minister Rudy Croes does no longer want Joran van der Sloot on the island, because he has caused and is still causing a lot of damage to the image of Aruba.

ORANJESTAD – The minister of Justice, Rudy Croes has declared Joran van der Sloot, who is suspected of having murdered Natalee Holloway, persona non grata. Other than for judicial investigation, Joran van der Sloot is no longer welcome on the island.

The ministry of Justice also proposes this vote of censure in the light of a package of measures to tackle the criminality problems among Aruban and Antillean young persons in the Netherlands that is agreed on in the Dutch cabinet. The Dutch Justice-minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin is preparing a law that makes it possible to send them back to Aruba or the Antilles if necessary. “Let Joran be the first example of a Dutchman that is not wanted in Aruba”, said the minister, who also knows that judicially, it’s going to be difficult to really deny him admission to the country. “I simply do not want him here.”

Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him. Justice is now investigating whether Van der Sloot must be dismissed as member of the special committee on the prison system. The same applies to his participation in the LAR-committee. Legislation Administration and Judicial Affairs is checking whether he can still be a lawyer. The president of the Bar, Ronald Wix indicated that there no reason for that yet. “If it turns out that what Joran said is true, we will take disciplinary measures. He indicated in a letter to the Dutch programme Pauw & Witteman that what Joran said it is not true.”

All eyes are now focused on the declaration that Joran van der Sloot wants to give to the police. According to his lawyers’ firm in the Netherlands, he hadn’t done that yet yesterday. On no account does the Public Prosecutor (OM) want to say where, when, or if there’s going to be an encounter. The ministry of Justice said that two detectives from Aruba had gone to the Netherlands for this. Also chief prosecutor Hans Mos is in the Netherlands, but supposedly on vacation.

Because the suspect has voluntarily committed to give a statement, the OM must passively wait a see whether Van der Sloot will come to the police station. Arresting him is impossible, as long as the examining magistrate in Oranjestad does not give permission for this. The OM had till this afternoon to submit the court of Justice with all relevant information and objections regarding the appeal against the decision that the examining magistrate made last week, not to arrest Joran. The court will decide on this next week.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 08:13:17 PM
THE ARUBAN STRATEGY?

Aruba must be given credit … in regards to the "confession" recording involving Peter Devries and Patrick vander Eem ... the strategy is brilliant.  The implication of only Joran and the exoneration of Deepak and Satish as well as Paulus by default in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 is a simplified means that will allow the “powers that be” to bring the Natalee Holloway case to a close; appease a grieving family; reverse negative media attention; and the hope of raking in millions from Phil McGraw through the defamation lawsuit filed by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Janet

______________


The Prosecutor's Office

JANUARY, 2009 - HANS MOS
Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!


The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Peter Devries

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


Patrick van der Eem

Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/


The Kalpoe's Attorney

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. PhilLOS ANGELES (AP) ―
   

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 08:20:39 PM
THE LIVES OF THE KALPOES WILL BE PROTECTED AT ALL COSTS?

I believe whether or not the Kalpoes exposed all ... their lives would be spared.  The Aruban "powers that be" would insure that no harm came to them.  After all ... the world would be watching ... waiting and ... anticipating ... Aruba's response to the brother's who know too much ... who have the ability to bring down Joran ... Paulus ... the sons of the elite and ... those within the ALE who are involved in the coverup.

However ... considering it is definitely to Aruba's advantage that the Kalpoes do not reveal all ... I believe that the strategy encompassing the Devries/van der Eem recording was to distance the Kalpoes from implication and ... thus use their exoneration to rake in millions from Phil McGraw while ... affording the Kalpoes a portion.

IMO

Janet



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 08:23:31 PM
Was there a preconceived plan to implicate "only" Joran and an unnamed accomplice  in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway while distancing the Kalpoe brothers who had the ability to implicate Paulus, Steve Croes and the sons of the elite.

On one hand ... "The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force" claim in the following press announcement that Joran van der Sloot words in the recording do not justify an arrest as he is not trustworthy and cannot be believed but ... on the other hand .... the Kalpoes can be exonerated by those same words that cannot be believed.

Janet

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hotping
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #809 on: January 06, 2009, 07:14:06 PM »


Press Anouncement
Ladies and gentlemen!


The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Why? Three reasons

First of all there is the fact that a few months ago, based on the results of the investigation, the estimate was that the investigation could be ended by the end of 2008. More specifically I am referring to the re-opened investigation into the suspect in this case, Joran van der Sloot, against whom the criminal investigation was restarted after the broadcast of a Peter R. de Vries investigation last February. Because that program caused a new stream of information, this information first has to be examined which will take at least another few months.

Secondly, about six weeks ago an interview with Joran van der Sloot was broadcasted on an American cable news Channel. In this interview Joran tells a completely new version of the alleged facts that occurred concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Before showing the interview and in the days after the show the Aruban Prosecutors Office and the Aruban Police were alleged to be corrupt and unwilling to investigate possible leads in this case. We find it fit to address those allegations today.

The third reason is that my Office and the Police Department would like to urge all people that have information about things that have occurred on May 30th 2005 or about persons that are or might be involved in this case, whatever that information may be, to hand that information over to the Police or to the Public Prosecutors Office.

For a good understanding of the facts I would like to take you back to December 18th 2007. It was on that day that the three suspects in this case got official notice from my Office that the criminal investigation into their possible involvement in this case was ended. This did not mean that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway also ended. On the contrary. That investigation never stopped. If new information or evidence would come up, the criminal investigation against any suspect in this case could be re-opened. This is possible as long as the statute of limitations does not prohibit this.

No one could imagine at that time that within a month from that decision this Office was confronted with the information that Dutch crime investigator Peter R de Vries had made secret camera shots of Joran van der Sloot talking about the case against a civilian under cover. After my Office got the tapes and before the actual broadcast of the Peter R. de Vries program, on our request the criminal investigation against Joran was re-opened by the investigating judge.

At the same time the investigation was fully operational again and had as a main goal to find as much corroborating evidence as possible of what Joran van der Sloot had told the under cover. The judge was asked to approve the third consecutive custody of Joran van der Sloot. The investigating judge against whose decision this Office lodged an appeal at the Common Court of Appeal in Curacao denied this approval. The Court of Appeal upheld the investigating judges’ decision, thus disabling Police to re-arrest Joran van der Sloot.

It is proper to take another look at the Court of Appeals’ decision. The Court of Appeal took into account the footage that was handed over by Peter de Vries as well as all the old investigative results of over nearly 3 years of investigation. Weighing whether there was enough new serious material, evidence (necessary to be able to put one into custody) the Court decided that the new elements that Joran had told the under cover were not corroborated by “objective facts”. On top of that the Court considered the fact that the suspect already had argued that there are objective facts that contradict the new elements that were told by him to the under cover. The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

What does the Court’s decision imply when we take a closer look?
1.    After an extensive and intensive investigation, the contents of the Police file combined with the new statements of Joran, does not hold enough evidence necessary to pass the threshold for a third consecutive term of pretrial custody.
2.    Logical conclusion from the above mentioned must be, that the evidence that we do have in the extensive files, is not enough to convict this suspect.

For that reason this Office has made the gathering of these “objective facts” that can serve as evidence against the main suspect it’s primary goal for the investigation from that point on.

What the Police and this Office have done:

•    Already on January 22nd 2008, the day after Peter de Vries had shown the tapes to the Public Prosecutor and the Police, the investigation into the person called “Daury” was started. Finally a person called Daury R. was identified and it turned out that he probably was involved in drug trafficking activities (as had been told by Joran). Because of that and following his own TV-appearance on 20-20, he was arrested in the USA on the suspicion of international drug trafficking. He is currently detained in the USA.

•    Investigation into the pay phone in the hotel garden was started as well as finding an answer to the question whether Joran had the possession of a credit card (necessary to use the phone).

•    On our request the National Prosecutor’s Office in Rotterdam as well as The National Crime Squad executed numerous requests, such as various house searches and finally the questioning of Joran van der Sloot.

•    Since then over 20 witnesses were interviewed, some of them for the second or third time. These interviews pertained mostly to Joran’s missing shoes and the person called “Daury”, Joran’s alleged accomplice.

•    Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened.

•    During his stay on Aruba the Police twice interviewed under cover “Patrick”.

Besides the Police investigation Peter de Vries’ program received an enormous amount of information. The serious tips were passed on to my Office in order to have them investigated.  Four of them could be investigated and led to thorough investigation.

Furthermore investigation was conducted into the statement of a fisherman, until that moment unknown by the Police or my Office. This witness, known by the Holloway family, claimed that in the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway a large knife was stolen from one of the Fisherman’s huts while at the same time a large crab cage was missing that at least was there until the month of April. This owner of the cage was also interviewed by the Police but told them that this allegedly missing cage had never been left at the huts but was always taken home.

He told the Police that Mrs. Holloway and the press approached him a long time ago and that he had told them his story. His identity was never officially revealed to the Police. It was because the Persistence ship at that time was searching for relevant material on the sea bed that the story about the cage and the fisherman came up in a conversation between this Office and Mr. Dave Holloway, which led this Office to the identity of the witness.

As you may know, the expedition of the Persistence led to only one finding that was supposed to be relevant to this case. Special Police divers brought certain material to the surface of which one might assume could be the clothes of Natalee Holloway. These samples were sent to the FBI laboratory. After examination by the FBI the result was that these samples did not match the clothes of Natalee.

In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer. This witness statement is already widely known: the witness claims he saw Joran van der Sloot in the middle of the night of May 30th walking in front of his house, soaked up to his chest, walking on one shoe and heavily breathing. He was walking into the direction of the hotels, coming from the direction of the Church at Noord. What the witness was actually aiming for was the Police to conduct an intensive search in the dam of Monserrat. Nevertheless the witness could not give us any reason why the Police should conduct a search in the dam. It was the conclusion of the witness that Joran had come from the dam since he came walking from that direction. There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

This witness has turned himself to Dave Holloway, as we have been told. He has given a new statement and has undergone a lie detector test. According to the summary of the lie detector test results (a full report, as promised to my Office by Tim Miller was never received) the witness was considered to be reliable. This Office never questioned the reliability of what the witness claimed to have seen. Yet, the value of his statement in the reconstruction of facts of that night is very limited. With his sole statement this case could never be solved.

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office are being accused of not following leads in this investigation. Those allegations are unjust and unfounded. Of course it is true that we weigh the information and the source on credibility and value before we start to investigate. But witnesses, who claim to have leads that find no ground in facts whatsoever and therefore are not being investigated by the Police, are free to investigate those themselves. This - of course – within the limitations imposed by law.

I will give you three examples of what we have experienced the last 10 months in terms of leads given by people who claim to have special powers and know where Natalee would be.

The first one claimed that Natalee was in the hands of foreign criminals but could not give us any actual lead to follow.

The second one recently claimed that the girl was buried on an Aruba beach. After consulting my Office and the Police a private search was conducted, only facilitated by the Police. No result was reported.

The third person was very persistent and claimed he had witnesses he could not disclose to my Office. He claimed Natalee was buried under a hotel that was under construction at the time of her disappearance. He requested that my Office would order a hole to be drilled in the hotel floor in order to conduct an endoscopic search underneath the hotel. When the prosecutor asked the man for the undisclosed witnesses and kept asking for his sources, he finally admitted that his theory was based on a dream.

As you can see, this is just a part of what we have experienced over the past months. There is much more of these “leads” which take us an awful lot of time and distract us from the actual investigation. We do not obstruct anyone, but when there is no concrete information or the information is unreliable we chose not to investigate that lead or that information. In that respect the Aruban Police is not different from any other Police force in the world.

CONCLUDING:

This I can tell you: during the investigation of which you just received an overview, a series of investigative acts were conducted. I will not disclose the results of that investigation here and now because the investigation is not yet finished and my Office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results. Only as soon as the investigation into the new statements of Joran van der Sloot has been completely finalized, the suspect will be notified about the decision by my Office whether he will be charged or not. At that time the public also will be informed. If possible investigative results may be disclosed to the public.

When will the investigation be completed?

At this moment the last leads and some minor details are under investigation. These minor questions first have to be answered before a decision can be made. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects to have conducted the necessary investigations within a number of months. Exact data cannot be determined.

Furthermore I would like to say this.  Recently Fox broadcast an interview of Joran van der Sloot recorded by Greta van Susteren in the spring of 2008. In this interview Joran presents yet another new version of the facts. This time he claims he has sold Natalee Holloway on the beach for $ 10,000 to a person called `Adamovic´ after a prearranged agreement. This man had taken the girl from the beach on a boat and sailed away.

Although Fox already had the possession of this information for nearly 6 months, it waited to disclose it to the public by the end of November 2008. A request by my Office to provide this information to us digitally was left unanswered.

Now suddenly Fox and a lawyer demand that my Office shall conduct an intensive investigation into a story of which the anchor of the program herself already considered the possibility that it could be “a wild goose chase”. Furthermore Joran van der Sloot after the interview was taped, denied that what he said was true. The Fox program also showed an interview with Joran´s American lawyer, in which the program’s anchor implicitly admitted that Joran was paid for the interview. Finally Fox broadcasts a so-called telephone conversation between Joran and his father. The contents of that phone call are supposed to corroborate Joran´s new story. The taped conversation between Joran and his father recently has been downloaded from the Internet by the Police and handed over to the Dutch Forensic Institute. This independent institute, the NFI, has been requested by the Police and my Office to conduct a voice-comparing investigation between the voice on that tape and earlier recordings of Paul van der Sloot. Within a few months we will know whether the material can be investigated and if so, what the results will be.

It is more than remarkable that no longer than 5 months after Joran´s so called confessions were taped on hidden cameras by Peter R. de Vries, statements both in the Netherlands and in the USA considered as “the solving of the case”, this Joran now comes forward with a completely different new story. Now this story is being considered as one that urgently has to be investigated. This while there are many indications that Joran simply pulled Fox’s leg and earned himself a lot of money as well. To prove that we are dealing with “a wild goose chase”, the Police on our request have checked some verifiable parts from Joran´s new statement, which show that it is a wild goose chase.

The Holloway family lawyer, who demanded the immediate arrest of suspects, was told that the Public Prosecutor, given the legal requirements, couldn’t find any ground in this interview to order an arrest.

Final remarks

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office on Aruba are still conducting an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yet we are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation and are busy with the last two leads. Now we are still busy I would like to add this: if you have relevant information, no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem, please notify my Office or the Police here on Aruba.

The purpose of the criminal investigation is to establish beyond reasonable doubt what has happened to Natalee Holloway on the night of May 30th 2005. Have crimes been committed against her and, if so, which crimes and by whom? And if someone is responsible for crimes committed, that person, whoever he may be, should be held accountable for those crimes in a court of law. Yet that result still has not been met.

In short: it is the Police and the Prosecutor’s Office that have, and should have, the primary responsibility for a criminal investigation. That is the way it is legally laid down in our judicial system. If others want to help, we will applaud them doing so. Yet, when those activities start to get counter productive and under circumstances jeopardizes the investigation, we should address the public and make them aware of these effects.

In order to prevent that happening we thought it fit to inform you through this press conference.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 08:26:05 PM
Peter Devries had it all figured out.  Only Joran would take the fall but in all likelyhood would not be held accountable.

Janet

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02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)

NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?


Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

- INCOMPREHENSIBLE AND INCONCEIVABLE -

If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives. During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened. As soon as the detectives’ investigations showed that he certainly must have been involved in the disappearance however, he chose to lie to the world in a despicable manner about his actions and movements on the night concerned.

- REWARD FOR SABOTAGING INVESTIGATION -

It is a bitter pill to swallow – one that I have also come across in other cases – where a suspect has disposed of a body and managed to get off scot-free. Why does one dispose of the body? It is almost invariably to prevent the police from establishing exactly what happened to the person, usually because an offence has been committed. Also, for intentionally sabotaging the resulting investigation, one isn’t punished but rather rewarded because one cannot be arrested. What is just is not always fair. I will try to explain the logic of this to Beth Holloway, Natalee’s mother, but I doubt I will succeed.

In addition, the Court on Aruba stated that it’s ‘impression’ that Joran is a systematic liar further underpinned its decision. Usually, the fact that someone tells a pack of lies in a case concerning life and death should be a valid reason on its own to arrest the suspect, if only for the opportunity to get to the bottom of the matter.

- ADMISSION WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE? -

One of the things that Joran is certainly lying about is that his admissions in the car were made under the influence of marijuana. I must reiterate that Joran constantly admitted his role during five separate drives. During some of them, he did indeed smoke a joint, as is his habit. However, the TV footage shows clearly that during some of the drives he did NOT smoke, or did so only AFTER Natalee’s case was discussed. And never for a single moment did Joran say anything during a subsequent drive to intimate that last time, he had been stoned and had sprouted a lot of hot air. On the contrary. Each time, Joran reconfirmed his involvement in the disappearance, augmenting his confessions with new details. And during this frequently repeated account while ‘under the influence’, he also provided precise responses to the unanswered questions that police and justice still have in this case.

Moreover, anyone who has ever smoked marijuana knows that it effect does not prompt you to admit to unsolved crimes. Where that is the case, police stations in the Netherlands and elsewhere would be overflowing.

- INVESTIGATION CONTINUES-

For all clarity, the fact that Van der Sloot has not been taken into custody on remand does not mean that the judicial investigation against him has come to an end. Far from it. The Public Prosecutor is working hard on the case in which Joran van der Sloot is still prime suspect.

Peter R. de Vries

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 08:31:12 PM
It is my belief if Joran's attorney is going to do any suing it will be the Aruban Law Enforcement that will be at the end of a lawsuit.  According to the following articles ... the Aruban "powers that be" were in on or had knowlege of the hidden recording of Joran van der Sloot.

I would not be surprised if Joran himself was in on the hoax ... the hoax meant to appease the family of Natalee Holloway and make the case a distance memory in the minds of Americans.  Think about it.  Joran was a minor on May 30, 2005.  Disposal of a body would warrant a slap on the wrist.  An unknown accomplice would be a non issue.  The Kalpoes ... who could implicate Paulus and the sons of the elite in the events encompassing the morning an eighteen year old American went missing ... are distanced.

Case Closed!!

Janet

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.  

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 11:04:43 PM
PATRICK VAN DER EEM: "NO COVERUP"

Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


Finding the truth is very difficult with people like Joran and everybody who helped him. I don’t “know” if the there was a organized cover-up for the sake of tourism. I do know that it is not very smart to believe that. You know why? Because Joran is not important enough for that. He is not even Aruban. His father was not even a judge, he was a judge-in-training (a six year course). That might give him a network, that might be old-boys-circuit stuff, but it is not enough for a government conspiracy for tourism. I tell you what, if there would have been such a thing, it would have been so much more easier to try to frame Joran for a long sentence without enough evidence. What would the government care about Joran? Joran was 17 when he let somebody dump het body at sea. Under youth crime rules that’s a few years of jail. Case closed.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/
 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 11:27:20 AM
John Silvetti collaborated with the enemy and expected a positive outcome in his quest for justice to prevail for Natalee Holloway.  He does not get a pass.  He is suspected as being one with enemy.

Peter DeVries collaborated with the enemy and expected a positive outcome in his quest for justice to prevail for Natalee Holloway.  He gets a pass.  He is not suspected as being one with the enemy.

Monkeys ... there appears to be such a double standard.  What am I not getting.

Janet

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.  

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 11:33:31 AM
If ANYBODY but Peter Devries claimed that the Kalpoe brothers or Paulus van der Sloot  did not participate in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing ... Monkeys would go up one side him/her and down the other ... accusing him/her of possessing an Aruban agenda.

Again ... why the double standard?

Janet

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Prosecutor's Office and Justice Minister  

Ladies and gentlemen

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Rudy Croes
Amigoe.com
02/08/2008


... Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html



Peter Devries

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 12:11:28 PM
If an American court rules that a 36 years old adult serves five years for committing the same offense as underage Joran van der Sloot ... the Aruban court would rule a slap on the wrist.  Was this the Aruban strategy behind the Peter Devries recording ... a recording that implicated only Joran and and an unknown accomplist in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  The Kalpoe brothers and Paulus van der Sloots involvement would be a non-issue.

I contend that the Aruban strategy went awry when Joran van der Sloot admitted on tape that he did not know whether Natalee was deceased.  The disposal of body and murder consitute two different felonies.

IMO

Janet

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Man gets 5 years for dumping college student's body at sea
3:33 PM | May 18, 2009

 A man who admitted to dumping the body of an Orange County woman in the ocean after a night of heavy drug use was sentenced this afternoon to five years in state prison.

John Steven Burgess, 36, pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter on May 6 in the death of 19-year-old Donna Jou of Rancho Santa Margarita. Jou, whom Burgess met online, was a student at San Diego State University.

Burgess, who recently completed a term for failing to register as a sex offender, said Jou died nearly two years ago after he gave her cocaine, heroin and alcohol at a party at his home in Palms.

When he awoke the next morning, Burgess said, she was dead. He said he panicked and used his sailboat to dump her body in the ocean.

<snipped>

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/05/man-gets-5-years-for-dumping-college-students-body-at-sea.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 03:34:04 PM
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Almost half a year ago Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter, met Patrick van der Eem. Patrick was born on Curacao and is nowadays a successful entrepreneur in the east of Holland. He met Joran van der Sloot by complete coincidence in the casino. The two of them started talking and seemed to ‘click’. What followed were more meetings and soon Patrick noticed that Joran looked up to him and started to trust him. This is strengthened by the fact that Patrick pretends not to be interested in the Holloway-case.
 
- PATRICK: JORAN’S ‘BEST FRIEND’ -

When Joran returns to the Netherlands in 2006 he is overwhelmed by so-called friends and the press, who question him constantly about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Patrick at least is someone who doesn’t ask or so it seems. It becomes obvious that Joran likes to smoke large amounts of weed. This is why Patrick decides to pose as an experienced weed cultivator which makes Joran look up to him even more.

But Patrick is interested and suspects that Joran is involved with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. He gets this from the innuendos the 20 year old makes. Patrick doesn’t respond to these, but does approach our show with this story. Together with Peter R. de Vries they develop a strategy to get Joran talking about the case in front of the camera.

From the start it is clear that Patrick is indeed Jorans best friend. There are numerous complimentary text messages and a couple of phone calls, made in our company, to confirm that. Our plan is to use a car prepared with hidden cameras to create a relaxed environment for Joran to talk. In the second half of November everything is ready to go. Patrick will pick up Joran in a tricked out Range Rover to go and cruise around and of course to talk.

- ARREST RUINS PLAN –

But then, a day before we would start, the ministry of Justice ruins our plans. On the 21st of November 2007 Joran is arrested and brought back to Aruba. There are a couple of new facts in the judicial investigation, but Joran keeps his mouth shut and on the 7th of December he is a free man again and officially not a suspect anymore. Out of everyone, our insider Patrick is one of the first people he calls from Aruba. Patrick tapes the conversation.

Joran boasts that he was too clever for the police and that soon he will be back in the Netherlands. On the 9th of January he arrives at Schiphol airport and one day later he meets up with Patrick to see his new Range Rover, the car that has been prepared with three hidden cameras.

- THE WINE INCIDENT -

On the 10th of January 2008 we start our undercover operation. An advantage of the recent arrest is that Patrick can now bring up the subject naturally. During their first drive it becomes apparent that joran has a low opinion of the public prosecutor and the department of justice.  He declares that he wants to claim damages from everyone and is invited to speak on the Pauw & Witteman show. As luck would have it Peter R. de Vries will also be there. After the show Joran throws a glass of red wine in Peters face.

Two day’s after the famous wine-incident Joran gets into Patricks Range Rover again. Our cameras capture Joran talking for the first time in detail about Natalee Holloway. He confirms she’s dead and will never be found because ‘the ocean is big’. He also declares that he can never be caught because he was lucky.

Furthermore he relates that he was helped in the disposal of the body. Who this is or who these people are (Joran talks often in the plural), he won’t tell yet. What follows are four long drives in which our hidden cameras tape 15 hours of conversation.

- COMPLETE CONFESSION -

At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

- THE FRIEND WITH THE BOAT -

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain. Later on he sat some time behind his computer and the following morning he went to school as usual. The next night he went to the casino ‘just to be recorded on camera’.  In a cold premeditated manner he leaves behind traces which could clarify that he didn’t have time to kill Natalee. Very clever for a seventeen-year-old, but Joran is of course the son of a judge-to-be.

- HEARTLESS -

Joran shows no emotion towards Patrick when he tells him that he didn’t sleep one night less because of the whole situation. He also tells him that Natalee’s death was in fact quite fortunate for him. “Now I can abuse the whole situation”, he says indicating the book he has written.

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm
 
 



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 02:57:40 PM
So much of the Range Rover recording has been proven to be lies.  How can anything be believed.  This is why Joran was never detained.

However ...

1.  The seed was planted in regards to the viewing audience that Natalee was dumped at sea and ... was not placed in a cage.

2.  The seed is planted with the viewing audience that the Kalpoes were not involved.

3.  The seed was planted in regards to the viewing audience that Paulus was not involved.

4. The seed was planted in regards to the viewing audience that the sons of the elite were not involved.

The detainment of all three suspects in November/December/07 ... the Kalpoes exoneration ... the contents of the cage and ... Joran's confession were are addressed in the same press released from the Prosecutor's office.  This implies to be there is a connection.

IMO

Janet

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Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!


The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Why? Three reasons

First of all there is the fact that a few months ago, based on the results of the investigation, the estimate was that the investigation could be ended by the end of 2008. More specifically I am referring to the re-opened investigation into the suspect in this case, Joran van der Sloot, against whom the criminal investigation was restarted after the broadcast of a Peter R. de Vries investigation last February. Because that program caused a new stream of information, this information first has to be examined which will take at least another few months.

Secondly, about six weeks ago an interview with Joran van der Sloot was broadcasted on an American cable news Channel. In this interview Joran tells a completely new version of the alleged facts that occurred concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Before showing the interview and in the days after the show the Aruban Prosecutors Office and the Aruban Police were alleged to be corrupt and unwilling to investigate possible leads in this case. We find it fit to address those allegations today.

The third reason is that my Office and the Police Department would like to urge all people that have information about things that have occurred on May 30th 2005 or about persons that are or might be involved in this case, whatever that information may be, to hand that information over to the Police or to the Public Prosecutors Office.

For a good understanding of the facts I would like to take you back to December 18th 2007. It was on that day that the three suspects in this case got official notice from my Office that the criminal investigation into their possible involvement in this case was ended. This did not mean that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway also ended. On the contrary. That investigation never stopped. If new information or evidence would come up, the criminal investigation against any suspect in this case could be re-opened. This is possible as long as the statute of limitations does not prohibit this.

No one could imagine at that time that within a month from that decision this Office was confronted with the information that Dutch crime investigator Peter R de Vries had made secret camera shots of Joran van der Sloot talking about the case against a civilian under cover. After my Office got the tapes and before the actual broadcast of the Peter R. de Vries program, on our request the criminal investigation against Joran was re-opened by the investigating judge.

At the same time the investigation was fully operational again and had as a main goal to find as much corroborating evidence as possible of what Joran van der Sloot had told the under cover. The judge was asked to approve the third consecutive custody of Joran van der Sloot. The investigating judge against whose decision this Office lodged an appeal at the Common Court of Appeal in Curacao denied this approval. The Court of Appeal upheld the investigating judges’ decision, thus disabling Police to re-arrest Joran van der Sloot.

It is proper to take another look at the Court of Appeals’ decision. The Court of Appeal took into account the footage that was handed over by Peter de Vries as well as all the old investigative results of over nearly 3 years of investigation. Weighing whether there was enough new serious material, evidence (necessary to be able to put one into custody) the Court decided that the new elements that Joran had told the under cover were not corroborated by “objective facts”. On top of that the Court considered the fact that the suspect already had argued that there are objective facts that contradict the new elements that were told by him to the under cover.

The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

What does the Court’s decision imply when we take a closer look?

1.    After an extensive and intensive investigation, the contents of the Police file combined with the new statements of Joran, does not hold enough evidence necessary to pass the threshold for a third consecutive term of pretrial custody.

2.    Logical conclusion from the above mentioned must be, that the evidence that we do have in the extensive files, is not enough to convict this suspect.

For that reason this Office has made the gathering of these “objective facts” that can serve as evidence against the main suspect it’s primary goal for the investigation from that point on.

What the Police and this Office have done:

•    Already on January 22nd 2008, the day after Peter de Vries had shown the tapes to the Public Prosecutor and the Police, the investigation into the person called “Daury” was started. Finally a person called Daury R. was identified and it turned out that he probably was involved in drug trafficking activities (as had been told by Joran). Because of that and following his own TV-appearance on 20-20, he was arrested in the USA on the suspicion of international drug trafficking. He is currently detained in the USA.

•    Investigation into the pay phone in the hotel garden was started as well as finding an answer to the question whether Joran had the possession of a credit card (necessary to use the phone).

•    On our request the National Prosecutor’s Office in Rotterdam as well as The National Crime Squad executed numerous requests, such as various house searches and finally the questioning of Joran van der Sloot.

•    Since then over 20 witnesses were interviewed, some of them for the second or third time. These interviews pertained mostly to Joran’s missing shoes and the person called “Daury”, Joran’s alleged accomplice.

•    Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened.

•    During his stay on Aruba the Police twice interviewed under cover “Patrick”.

Besides the Police investigation Peter de Vries’ program received an enormous amount of information. The serious tips were passed on to my Office in order to have them investigated.

Four of them could be investigated and led to thorough investigation.

Furthermore investigation was conducted into the statement of a fisherman, until that moment unknown by the Police or my Office. This witness, known by the Holloway family, claimed that in the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway a large knife was stolen from one of the Fisherman’s huts while at the same time a large crab cage was missing that at least was there until the month of April. This owner of the cage was also interviewed by the Police but told them that this allegedly missing cage had never been left at the huts but was always taken home.
He told the Police that Mrs. Holloway and the press approached him a long time ago and that he had told them his story. His identity was never officially revealed to the Police. It was because the Persistence ship at that time was searching for relevant material on the sea bed that the story about the cage and the fisherman came up in a conversation between this Office and Mr. Dave Holloway, which led this Office to the identity of the witness.

As you may know, the expedition of the Persistence led to only one finding that was supposed to be relevant to this case. Special Police divers brought certain material to the surface of which one might assume could be the clothes of Natalee Holloway. These samples were sent to the FBI laboratory. After examination by the FBI the result was that these samples did not match the clothes of Natalee.

In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer. This witness statement is already widely known: the witness claims he saw Joran van der Sloot in the middle of the night of May 30th walking in front of his house, soaked up to his chest, walking on one shoe and heavily breathing. He was walking into the direction of the hotels, coming from the direction of the Church at Noord. What the witness was actually aiming for was the Police to conduct an intensive search in the dam of Monserrat. Nevertheless the witness could not give us any reason why the Police should conduct a search in the dam. It was the conclusion of the witness that Joran had come from the dam since he came walking from that direction. There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

This witness has turned himself to Dave Holloway, as we have been told. He has given a new statement and has undergone a lie detector test. According to the summary of the lie detector test results (a full report, as promised to my Office by Tim Miller was never received) the witness was considered to be reliable. This Office never questioned the reliability of what the witness claimed to have seen. Yet, the value of his statement in the reconstruction of facts of that night is very limited. With his sole statement this case could never be solved.

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office are being accused of not following leads in this investigation. Those allegations are unjust and unfounded. Of course it is true that we weigh the information and the source on credibility and value before we start to investigate. But witnesses, who claim to have leads that find no ground in facts whatsoever and therefore are not being investigated by the Police, are free to investigate those themselves. This - of course – within the limitations imposed by law.

I will give you three examples of what we have experienced the last 10 months in terms of leads given by people who claim to have special powers and know where Natalee would be.

The first one claimed that Natalee was in the hands of foreign criminals but could not give us any actual lead to follow.

The second one recently claimed that the girl was buried on an Aruba beach. After consulting my Office and the Police a private search was conducted, only facilitated by the Police. No result was reported.

The third person was very persistent and claimed he had witnesses he could not disclose to my Office. He claimed Natalee was buried under a hotel that was under construction at the time of her disappearance. He requested that my Office would order a hole to be drilled in the hotel floor in order to conduct an endoscopic search underneath the hotel. When the prosecutor asked the man for the undisclosed witnesses and kept asking for his sources, he finally admitted that his theory was based on a dream.

As you can see, this is just a part of what we have experienced over the past months. There is much more of these “leads” which take us an awful lot of time and distract us from the actual investigation. We do not obstruct anyone, but when there is no concrete information or the information is unreliable we chose not to investigate that lead or that information. In that respect the Aruban Police is not different from any other Police force in the world.

CONCLUDING:

This I can tell you: during the investigation of which you just received an overview, a series of investigative acts were conducted. I will not disclose the results of that investigation here and now because the investigation is not yet finished and my Office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results. Only as soon as the investigation into the new statements of Joran van der Sloot has been completely finalized, the suspect will be notified about the decision by my Office whether he will be charged or not. At that time the public also will be informed. If possible investigative results may be disclosed to the public.

When will the investigation be completed?

At this moment the last leads and some minor details are under investigation. These minor questions first have to be answered before a decision can be made. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects to have conducted the necessary investigations within a number of months. Exact data cannot be determined.

Furthermore I would like to say this.

Recently Fox broadcast an interview of Joran van der Sloot recorded by Greta van Susteren in the spring of 2008. In this interview Joran presents yet another new version of the facts. This time he claims he has sold Natalee Holloway on the beach for $ 10,000 to a person called `Adamovic´ after a prearranged agreement. This man had taken the girl from the beach on a boat and sailed away.

Although Fox already had the possession of this information for nearly 6 months, it waited to disclose it to the public by the end of November 2008. A request by my Office to provide this information to us digitally was left unanswered.

Now suddenly Fox and a lawyer demand that my Office shall conduct an intensive investigation into a story of which the anchor of the program herself already considered the possibility that it could be “a wild goose chase”. Furthermore Joran van der Sloot after the interview was taped, denied that what he said was true. The Fox program also showed an interview with Joran´s American lawyer, in which the program’s anchor implicitly admitted that Joran was paid for the interview. Finally Fox broadcasts a so-called telephone conversation between Joran and his father. The contents of that phone call are supposed to corroborate Joran´s new story. The taped conversation between Joran and his father recently has been downloaded from the Internet by the Police and handed over to the Dutch Forensic Institute. This independent institute, the NFI, has been requested by the Police and my Office to conduct a voice-comparing investigation between the voice on that tape and earlier recordings of Paul van der Sloot. Within a few months we will know whether the material can be investigated and if so, what the results will be.

It is more than remarkable that no longer than 5 months after Joran´s so called confessions were taped on hidden cameras by Peter R. de Vries, statements both in the Netherlands and in the USA considered as “the solving of the case”, this Joran now comes forward with a completely different new story. Now this story is being considered as one that urgently has to be investigated. This while there are many indications that Joran simply pulled Fox’s leg and earned himself a lot of money as well. To prove that we are dealing with “a wild goose chase”, the Police on our request have checked some verifiable parts from Joran´s new statement, which show that it is a wild goose chase.

The Holloway family lawyer, who demanded the immediate arrest of suspects, was told that the Public Prosecutor, given the legal requirements, couldn’t find any ground in this interview to order an arrest.

Final remarks

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office on Aruba are still conducting an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yet we are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation and are busy with the last two leads. Now we are still busy I would like to add this: if you have relevant information, no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem, please notify my Office or the Police here on Aruba.

The purpose of the criminal investigation is to establish beyond reasonable doubt what has happened to Natalee Holloway on the night of May 30th 2005. Have crimes been committed against her and, if so, which crimes and by whom? And if someone is responsible for crimes committed, that person, whoever he may be, should be held accountable for those crimes in a court of law. Yet that result still has not been met.

In short: it is the Police and the Prosecutor’s Office that have, and should have, the primary responsibility for a criminal investigation. That is the way it is legally laid down in our judicial system. If others want to help, we will applaud them doing so. Yet, when those activities start to get counter productive and under circumstances jeopardizes the investigation, we should address the public and make them aware of these effects.

In order to prevent that happening we thought it fit to inform you through this press conference.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 03:02:46 PM
Considering Natalee Holloway's body did not wash up on shore ... implies to me that Joran was lying in his confession regarding the disposal of Natalee's body.

I firmly believe that the Devries recording was a hoax collaborated with the Aruba "powers that be" to distract from the cage and ... provide an avenue to rake millions from the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGra.

Janet

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TRANSCRIPT - JORAN'S CONFESSION

Patrick: How far did you think he took her? This guy must have done a really good job.  This guy really knows what he is doing. Did he weight her down to make her sink?

Joran:  No, I don’t think so.

Patrick: You don’t even know that?

Joran:  No.

Patrick: Didn’t he ever tell you how he did it?

Joran:  Of course he did.

Patrick: How did he do it then?

Joran:  He just went out in the sea further and then he just dumped her.




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 03:30:17 PM
PETER DEVRIES - TIM MILLER - DAVE HOLLOWAY

My suspicions encompassing underlying motivations of Peter Devries, Tim Miller as well as Dave and Robin Holloway in regards to relationships with the enemy are out of my comfort zone but ... I sincerely believe ... at this point in time ... there is something very wrong.  I treaded softly in the beginning and even justified because I there was a foundation of trust but ... as time has gone on my emotions regarding Devries, Miller and the Holloways has progressed to disappointment and ... then anger at what I consider a betrayal of Natalee.

I do not hate these three men.  How could I?  At one time I held them all in high regard when they made stands against those in the LE and proclaimed in their own respective ways that a corrupt investigation was denying Natalee the justice she deserved.  At some point in time ... Peter Devries, Tim Miller and Dave Holloway recognized that a positive outcome was not going to happen by collaborating with the enemy who possessed an Aruban agenda for the answers to the disappearance of Natalee.

What changed and ... what were the underlying motivations.

Janet





Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 03:46:04 PM
There is a lot of blame to go around in regards to justice not prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... beginning with those involved in the happening encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway disappeared.  Then the chain of blame progresses to those in the Aruban/Dutch administration involved in the coverup to deny justice ... those who ... intentionally or not ...  collaborated with the enemy in the Persistence endeavor and ultimately furthered the Aruban coverup agenda and ... those who were involved in the Range Rover undertaking meant to distanced Paulus from involvment ... exonerated the Kalpoes and ... implicate "only" an underage Joran with disposal of a body.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 03:59:36 PM


I am not on the same page as Lifesong and Klaas regarding this topic but ... considering the judge's ruling regarding the defamation lawsuit has yet to happen ... speculating the outcome is where it is at.

It would be a happy day for me if I was wrong in my speculation and ... Lifesong and Klaas were right.  A measure of justice in the Natalee Holloway case will have been realized.

Janet

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Lifesong
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
« Reply #482 on: May 05, 2009, 01:16:22 PM »


About the Kalpoe lawsuit...

I don't believe for a minute Dr. Phil is anywhere close to offering a settlement this case.  That is just an Aruban pipedream!

Here is the link again to the transcript of Skeeters tape.  The entire tape has to be allowed into evidence.  Read the transcript again and consider the actual claims of the lawsuit.  The Kalpoe's simply cannot win this. 

I spent a while the other night reading back through it.  Seriously, if you read the whole thing and put yourself on the jury...no way 7 of 12 American jurors will award these scum a dime.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg796940;topicseen#msg796940


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
« Reply #483 on: May 05, 2009, 01:24:04 PM »


Lifesong - I agree.  If they were going to settle it would have happened a long time ago.  They have no plans on settling.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg796940;topicseen#msg796940


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 04:01:05 PM
 could be wrong and ... if I am I will gladly eat crow but ... considering the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case thanks to the Devries recording ... Phil McGraw will not be permitted access to investigation documentation thus forcing an undisclosed settlement awarded to the Kalpoes (Aruba).  In other words ... the outcome of the comparison between the Skeeter's hard drive and the McGraw recording will never be known.

IMO

Janet

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THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Ladies and Gentlemen

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673
 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 04:17:14 PM
Somehow I do not believe that there was anything on Skeeters hard drive that would implicate the Kalpoe brothers in the happenings encompassing what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Think about it.  Why would Aruba (Deepak) file a lawsuit that had the ability of exposing to America wrongdoing on by the suspects in the events encompassing the Natalee Holloway case.  The Aruban "powers that be" must believe that they have a solid case.

I somehow suspect and ... I could be wrong ... that that the McGraw recording was deceptively manipulated and this is the reason McGraw's attorneys are after documentation ... documentation that prove that Deepak was not defamed on the show.

However ... now that Aruba has declared the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case because of the words of Joran on the Devries' recording ... I do not believe the McGraw's attorneys will ever get their hands on any documentation.  In other words ... a professional comparison between the recording on Jamie Skeeters' hard drive and the McGraw's "edited" recording will stand alone.

IMO

Janet

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The Kalpoe's Attorney

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. PhilLOS ANGELES (AP) ―
   

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 04:39:36 PM
Peter Devries stands by his position that Joran van der Sloot gave a "full" confession .. a "full" confession which exonerates the Kalpoe brothers.
Janet

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Peter Devries

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


<snipped>

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


NANCY GRACE - FEBRUARY 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 04:41:48 PM
Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 04:54:26 PM
I know there is something I am not getting but ... I would think a professional  comparison of the Jamie Skeeter hard drive with the disputed segment of the recording that was heard by Phil McGraw's viewing  audience should reveal the truth in regards to the defamation of Deepak Kalpoe.  Was the Dr. Phil recording deceptively manipulated?  Yes?  No?

Considering both Aruba and the Kalpoes' attorney contend that the Peter Devries recording exonerates the Kalpoes from implication in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway ... Phil McGraw's recording had better be on the up and up or ... Aruba and the Kalpoes win big time.

Janet

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THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Ladies and Gentlemen


The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened  … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


THE KALPOES' ATTORNEY

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. PhilLOS ANGELES (AP) ―
   

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 05:13:05 PM
Peter Devries implies to the mother of Natalee Holloway that every word out of Joran van der Sloots mouth is the truth ... its a "full confession".  Think about it.  Joran distances his father and ... exonerates the Kalpoes paving the avenue for the defamation lawsuit to rack millions from Phil McGraw.

Nevertheless ... Devries assures Beth Holloway that this recording is a "full confession".  Devries is outright lying to Beth and ... that makes me soooo angry.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH BETH TWITTY
Thursday 31 January 2008


Peter R. DeVries:  “This is a full confession.”

Beth Twitty:  “You got every bit of it. That son of a bitch. Oh God.”

Peter R. DeVries:   “No regrets at all.”

Beth Twitty:  “No, he don’t even know if she’s dead or not. No.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “He only seems to care for himself.”

Beth Twitty:  “Oh my Gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “And he wants to profit from it.”

Beth Twitty:  “Oh my gosh, he has just…”

Peter R. DeVries:  “Now he can abuse it.”

Beth Twitty:  “Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “Unbelievable isn’t it.”

Beth Twitty:  “Yeah. God. It’s all true. Oh my gosh. From everything. From the Holiday inn. How he got home…”

Peter R. DeVries:  “He lied, everything was a lie.”

Beth Twitty:  “What he did with the shoes and… Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:  "It’s a full confession.”

Beth Twitty:  “He doesn’t even care, he doesn’t even care that, oh they didn’t even know if she was dead. Oh my gosh. They didn’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:  "Did you notice how he talked about her?”

Beth Twitty:  “Yeah, the don’t even know. Oh my god they could have dumped her alive in the ocean, just unconscious. I mean they don’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:  "Maybe in coma, or…”

Beth Twitty:  “They don’t even know. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh dear God, he didn’t even know. He is just gonna take a life. He is just gonna take a life. Just take a life, with no remorse, no worry, not even a sleepless night. I hope his hell is about to unfold. God. You know. Peter, I always thought that Joran’s life was already a living hell, but it’s about to begin! Now it’s about to begin. It’s about to begin. God. He is awfull, he is awfull. He doesn’t deserve to exist on this world, he doesn’t deserve it. He is awfull. I hope his living hell is about to begin and I hope he never gets a night sleep. He hope he never gets another moment of peace, I hope his whole entire peace is about to be disturbed beyond his belief. What he has done… Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee, look what they have done to our country, look what they have done to…”

Peter R. DeVries:  "To you.”

Beth Twitty:  “Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee. That son of a bitch.”

Peter R. DeVries:  "He is saying: ‘It was not my fault. I couldn’t help it.’ But how would you describe what happened there? Do you believe that?”

Beth Twitty:  “He didn’t care, he didn’t care, he didn’t care. What I wanna know is: he is just right there with here and dear god they just dispose of her body, I mean in the ocean.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “He went home and went to sleep.”

Beth Twitty:   “And was planning all the things he was going to do to cover himself. That’s why he got on the internet so quickly. Just what you said when he called this friend of his, Daury, he said, he know somebody to call when he got in a situation like this. What path is he on, how many women could he do this to and how many women did he potentially in his presence that could have died. Oh my god.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “But it is a full confession Beth. He can’t get away with this.”

Beth Twitty:  “This has to be it! This has to be it! I guess enough is enough. Enough is enough. When I think back on it. When I first got on the island, I couldn’t look on the water, I could not look out on the ocean. And I didn’t know why. But I couldn’t look at the water. I know now: it was all real you know I had this gut feeling that she was… Something seemed so evil about the water, something seemed so evil, so bad and I din’t know why, but I know why now.”

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 05:14:48 PM
I believe that Peter Devries WAS on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway but ... for a price was caught up in an Aruba strategy that would implicate only Joran and thereby:

1.  Close the Investigation
2.  Appease the family
3.  Silence the media
4.  Make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory
5.  Protect Paulus and the sons of the elite from implication.
6.  Protect those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruba administration involved in the coverup
7.  Protect the judiciary who ruled against detentions of all suspects in the case
8.  Protect those involved in Aruba's underground economy.
9.  Pave the road to a successfull outcome in the defamation lawsuit again Phil McGraw.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 06:12:09 PM
I believe that only the disputed segment of the Phil recording is the issue ... the segment that Deepak claims was deceptively manipulated from the original Skeeters' recording ... the segment that defamed him.

I cannot comprehend why both Phil McGraw and the Kalpoes attorneys do not request a professional comparison the disputed segment of the two recordings and ... the outcome will determine the winner of the defamation lawsuit.  Is that too simple?


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 06:33:40 PM
If ANYBODY but Peter Devries implied that the Kalpoe brothers or Paulus van der Sloot did not participate in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing ... Monkeys would go up one side him/her and down the other ... accusing him/her of possessing an Aruban agenda.

Again ... why the double standard?

Janet

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THE OFFICE OF THE PROSECUTOR - THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

Ladies and gentlemen


The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened …  .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Rudy Croes
Amigoe.com
02/08/2008


... Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


PETER DEVRIES

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


<snipped>

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


NANCY GRACE - FEBRUARY 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 06:37:17 PM
If an American court rules that a 36 years old adult serves five years for committing the same offense as underage Joran van der Sloot ... the Aruban court would rule a slap on the wrist.  Was this the Aruban strategy behind the Peter Devries recording ... a recording that implicated only Joran and and unknown accomplist in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  The Kalpoe brothers and Paulus van der Sloots involvement would be a non-issue.

IMO

Janet

+++++++ 


Quote from: SurfCity on May 18, 2009, 10:49:02 PM

Man gets 5 years for dumping college student's body at sea
3:33 PM | May 18, 2009


 A man who admitted to dumping the body of an Orange County woman in the ocean after a night of heavy drug use was sentenced this afternoon to five years in state prison.

John Steven Burgess, 36, pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter on May 6 in the death of 19-year-old Donna Jou of Rancho Santa Margarita. Jou, whom Burgess met online, was a student at San Diego State University.

Burgess, who recently completed a term for failing to register as a sex offender, said Jou died nearly two years ago after he gave her cocaine, heroin and alcohol at a party at his home in Palms.

When he awoke the next morning, Burgess said, she was dead. He said he panicked and used his sailboat to dump her body in the ocean.

<snipped>

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/05/man-gets-5-years-for-dumping-college-students-body-at-sea.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 06:59:14 PM
John Silvetti collaborated with the enemy and claimed he expected a positive outcome in his quest for justice to prevail for Natalee Holloway.  He does not get a pass.  He is suspected as being one with enemy.

Peter DeVries collaborated with the enemy and claimed he expected a positive outcome in his quest for justice to prevail for Natalee Holloway.  He gets a pass.  He is not suspected as being one with the enemy.

Monkeys ... there appears to be such a double standard.  What am I not getting.

Janet

++++++++

Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.  
Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 07:03:41 PM
According to the following articles ... the Aruban "powers that be" were in on or had knowlege of the hidden recording of Joran van der Sloot.

I suspect that Joran himself was in on the hoax ... the hoax meant to appease the family of Natalee Holloway and make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory in the minds of Americans.  Think about it.  Joran was a minor on May 30, 2005.  Disposal of a body would warrant a slap on the wrist.  An unknown accomplice would be a non issue.  The Kalpoes who could implicate Paulus and the sons of the elite in the events encompassing the morning an eighteen year old American went missing are distanced.  The door is open to collect millions from the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes against Phil McGraw.

Janet

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.  

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 12:24:27 PM
If Joran van der Sloots "confession" reveals the truth then I can only conclude that there was nothing Natalee Holloway related in the cage/trap.  According to Peter Devries ... Joran assisted in carrying Natalee Holloway to Daury's boat ... the boat which Natalee taken out to sea and dumped.

Could it be that the Range Rover confession was a hoax meant to take the focus off of the Persistence's discovery.

Janet

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PETER DEVRIES - IN HIS OWN WORDS

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


- THE FRIEND WITH THE BOAT -

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain. Later on he sat some time behind his computer and the following morning he went to school as usual. The next night he went to the casino ‘just to be recorded on camera’.  In a cold premeditated manner he leaves behind traces which could clarify that he didn’t have time to kill Natalee. Very clever for a seventeen-year-old, but Joran is of course the son of a judge-to-be.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 12:25:45 PM
The Range Rover recording?  I believe the "confession" was all about furthering the Aruban coverup by:

1.  Appeasing the family of Natalee Holloway by only implicating an underage Joran ... an underage Joran who at the most would receive a slap on the wrist for initiating a disposal of a body.

2.  Exonerating Deepak and Satish ... the ones who could reveal the whole truth regarding the involvement of Joran, Paulus' and the sons of the elite in the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... thereby exposing the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

3.  Taking the focus off the January 7, 2009 recovery by the Arubans of what could have been Natalee Holloway.

4.  Paving the road for a successful outcome in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 12:55:14 PM
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Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 09:12:36 PM
THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS

The Range Rover recordings?  I speculate that the "confession" hoax was  collaborated by Joran van der Sloot, Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem and the Aruban "powers that be" in the investigation and ... it was all about furthering the coverup agenda by:

1.  Appeasing the family of Natalee Holloway by only implicating an underage Joran ... an underage Joran who at the most would receive a slap on the wrist for initiating a disposal of a body.

Peter Devries

No Resarrest for Joran: How Do You Explain That to Her relatives?

Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives. During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


2.  Exonerating Deepak and Satish ... the ones who could reveal the whole truth regarding the involvement of Joran, Paulus' and the sons of the elite in the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... thereby exposing the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

Peter Devries

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


3.  Taking the focus off the January 7, 2009 recovery by the Arubans of what could have been Natalee Holloway by no mention of a crab/trap in the disposal.

Peter Devries

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea.
 
http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


4.  Paving the road for a successful outcome in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

The Kalpoe's Attorney

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil
   

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2009, 12:06:58 AM
Why is Paulus van der Sloot's participation in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 not mentioned in Joran van der Sloot's Range Rover confession?  Why is it not an issue with Peter Devries, Patrick van der Eem and Rudy Croes.  The smuggled cell phone is the ultimate discretion that has to be investigated.

Janet

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BETH HOLLOWAY

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... But there's something that really bothers me, and I don't think I've made any secrets about it, I've kept a journal of everything everyone said, what day, timeframes. And there's something that really has been bothering me as I read over and over my journal, is I know on the 31st that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. at McDonald's. It was also said to me by a police spokesperson on June 16 and June 17 that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at 4 a.m. on the 31st at McDonald's. But I noticed on the day that I visited Paul van der Sloot at his home, all of a sudden, it was changed to 11 p.m.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


RUDY CROES

Amigoe.com
02/08/2008


... Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


PETER DEVRIES

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


b]PATRICK VANDER EEM[/b]

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2009, 02:22:41 PM
The following words of Peter Devries regarding Joran van der Sloot's "confession"  implies ... in more ways than one ... the Range Rover undertaking was a distraction from the recovered contents of the trap/cage on January 1, 2008.

Not only is the cage/trap not an issue in the disposal segment of the recording ... the implication is that Joran's shoe could not have been in that cage/trap.  In other word ... the impression is given that the contents of the trap/cage recovered by the Arubans was not case related.

Janet

+++++++


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #263 on: November 15, 2008, 08:56:36 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.msg543129#msg543129



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 03:40:03 PM
Other than the segment of the Range Rover recording where Joran van der Sloot is heard describing what appears to be Natalee Holloway suffering from a seizure … available backup implies that Joran's “confession” was fabricated.

The motivation for the fabrication collaborated ... in my opinion ... by Joran van der Sloot, Patrick vander Eeem, Peter Devries and the Aruban “powers that be” within the investigation was:

1.  Appeasing the family of Natalee Holloway and silencing the media by only implicating an underage Joran ... an underage Joran who at the most would receive a slap on the wrist for initiating a disposal of a body.

2.  Exonerating Deepak and Satish ... the ones who could reveal the whole truth regarding the involvement of Joran, Paulus' and the sons of the elite in the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... thereby exposing the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

3.  Taking the focus off the January 7, 2009 recovery by the Arubans of what could have been Natalee Holloway remains by not mention of a crab/trap in the disposal segment.

4.  Paving the road for a successful outcome in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

++++++++


THE WYNDHAM SECURITY CAMERA REVELATION

RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

<snipped>

Joran:  No he isn't dumb, he was sitting there and he said, "Joran you also know, I would not do this myself, but this is going to be a huge problem."  He said, "No matter what, no matter what, you are going to get blamed for this."  And I said, "Yes." I said, "Yes, I don't know also, I don't know what I have to do, I cannot go to the police, I cannot solve this." His boat was standing there by the pier, and I knew that also, you know, and he told me, then help me for a while, so we have taken to the boat .
 
Patrick:  Lifted her up.
 
Joran: Yes, the two of us just quickly.
 
Patrick:   And nobody saw you then either?
 
Joran:  Nobody.
 
Patrick:  Yes, but it is near the Marriott, these boats there?
 
Joran: Yes, but there is nobody, Nobody pays attention, you are walking there in the dark.  Even if you walk there with someone they think you are playing.
 
Patrick:  Probably think someone is drunk.
 
Joran:  They do not pay attention at all.  He said to me, what did he say to me, umm, when we were there he said to me, "You do have to go to school tomorrow and stuff.  Because, if there is a missing girl then, umm".
 
Patrick:  He's smart, Joran.
 
Joran: I knew these things too. I said, "You're so right. I just have to do normal things. And on top of that I'm going to the casino to make sure I am on camera and stuff," and he said, "Ok that is fine." 
 

LOVING NATATLEE - BETH HOLLOWAY

Page 48:
  It’s about three o’clock in the morning .  It’s a school night.  They (Joran and Deepak) aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino.  They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts.  I make a mental note that I will ask to be the casino footage from the Wyndham later on.  Just to see if they were really there tonight – or, rather, this morning.

Page 121:  And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 06:28:12 PM

Other than Natalee Holloway suffered seizures in the presence of Joran which was  alluded to by authorities in their questioning of Beth and Jug … I contend the entire Range Rover recordings are fabrications collaborated by Aruban Law Enforcement, Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem and Joran vander Sloot in an effort to ….

Janet

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THE PAYPHONE

RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran:
… This friend was an older friend, we have been friends for a long time. I will never name his name, never, I'll take it with me in my grave. I called him, not on my cellphone, but I walked to the payphone. I said "Please, no police, come and help me."


On the Record w/ Greta – February 5, 2008

JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S ATTORNEY:  ,,, And moreover, the pay phone that's outside the Marriott that De Vries, this journalist, says he authenticated and went and checked out -- there's no a pay phone that you can make local calls on. We've spoken to the Aruban coast guard as recently as yesterday. It's been part of the initial investigation. It was submitted to this judge in determining the validity of this tape. This pay phone is an international call pay phone where you can only make outgoing calls. They have call logs of it, and the call logs do not support any calls made that night.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328565,00.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 06:30:15 PM
According to the following articles ... the Aruban "powers that be" were in on or had knowlege of the hidden recording of Joran van der Sloot.

Janet

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.  

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/


A REMINDER


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 09:47:11 PM
Other than the reference to what appeared to be seizures … what part of Joran van der Sloot’s “confession” on the Ranger Rover tapes reflected the truth.
 
Janet
++++++

DAURY

THE RANGE ROVER TAPES


Patrick:   But how far did he bring her then? This boy must have done a really good job. But how far?  Does he ship often, does he know a lot about boats, what does he know about the ocean?
 
Joran:  He has his own boat licence.
 
Patrick:  Yes, a license, the boy really knows what's he doing. Did he make her heavy to let her sink?
 
Joran:  No, I don't think so.
 
Patrick:  You don't know?  He never told you how he did it?
 
Joran:  Of course he did.
 
Patrick:   How then?
 
Joran:  He just went into the ocean. farther away.   Then he dumped her.
 
Patrick:   You really have been lucky, you know that.  No shit, you where very lucky.
 
Joran:  I say that also.
 
Patrick:   Real lucky.  That he was so stupid, that he did it that way, you know. You have a gigantic angle (weight) hanging above you head.
 
Joran:   That evening I slept normally. I went home that evening, and went to my bed.
 
Patrick:   What's his name?
 
Joran:  Daury
 
Patrick:  Daury what?   Is he Dutch?
 
Joran:  No, well, yes. Half Dutch, half Arubaans. Dutch mother, or something like that.  


Mystery Man in Holloway Case Comes Forward
Man Named As Accomplice By Van der Sloot Denies Involvement in Aruba Disappearance

By ELIZABETH VARGAS & CHRIS FRANCESCANI
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
ORANJESTAD, Aruba
Feb. 4, 2008


A 21-year old Aruban came forward Monday to say that he is the mystery man that Joran van der Sloot implicated on undercover tapes, but claims that he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Daury Rodriguez said he was contacted on Saturday by a frantic biographer of Van der Sloot's who, he said, warned him that his name was about to surface in the press as being the alleged accomplice who took Holloway's body out to sea in a boat and dumped it.

"She said, 'I got your number from Joran, because he said your name is going to show up in the press, but I know it's not true. It doesn't fit the story, so you've got to do something about it. You've got to give me proof [of his whereabouts in May 2005], so I can put it in the newspaper ... here in Holland."  

ABC News has obtained exclusive U.S. rights to stunning new information about the case, caught on tape, and will air a 90-minute special edition of "20/20: The Final Hours of Natalee Holloway," Monday at 9:30 p.m. ET.

Rodriguez, who grew up on Aruba and played soccer with Van der Sloot when both men were teenagers, said he was angry that his name had been dragged into the case. He said he met with detectives investigating Holloway's disappearance on Monday morning, and that he told them he was living in Rotterdam, Holland in May 2005, when Holloway went missing.

Rodriguez retained an Aruban lawyer when he realized he was implicated in the case, and said he asked the biographer to put him in touch with Van der Sloot, but she refused.

Van der Sloot apparently logged on to an online instant messaging service over the weekend, and Rodriguez said he confronted him and demanded to know why he'd been named as an accomplice. "So, I was online, and he comes online, and I was like, 'Yo, what's wrong with you, man. Why did you do that?' And he's like, 'I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I didn't know what I was talking about. I'm so sorry.' And I said, you know, 'What the f---? Sorry? Don't say that! That's [b.s.]. You're putting me in trouble for nothing.'"

Rodriguez said he played soccer with Van der Sloot when the pair were about 16 years old, and that, while he knew him as an acquaintance, he would never call him a friend.

He said they played poker together at a local casino late last year after Van der Sloot was released from his second arrest.

Rodriguez's attorney Chris Lejuez said his client was born in Colombia, but moved to Aruba as a child when his mother married an Aruban man. Lejuez said Rodriguez moved to Rotterdam to attend trade school in 2004, and stayed on through June or July of 2007, working there. Rodriguez returned to Aruba in January and December of 2005 for vacation, but was not on the island for months before or after Holloway's disappearance.

He told ABC News he never owned a boat. "I never had one, and I don't have one,'' he said.

Asked how he could prove his whereabouts during 2005, Rodriguez said that ATMs he had used in Rotterdam could show he was there in May 2005.

Lejuez said he provided investigators with the name of the trade school Rodriguez had attended and the company he later worked for in Rotterdam.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=2
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=3


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 10:20:57 PM

The plan to distance the Kalpoes from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and let only Joran take the fall was brilliant.  Paulus' involvement would be a non issue.  The involvement of the sons of the elite would be a non-issue.  The participation of those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations in the coverup agenda that had prevented justice from prevailing would be a non-issue.

Janet

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THE EXONERATION OF DEEPAK AND SATISH  

THE RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran:
But at that moment, you know, it had to be, it had to be good, if the police would come to me for the disappearance of the girl, because they had seen me leaving with the girl at Carlos n Charlie. These boys, they know.  Ok they have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further.
 
Patrick:  Deepak and Satish.
 
Joran:  Dumb boys, Patrick, they are not even worth it.
 
Patrick:  I figured that already.
 
Patrick: They dropped you off.
 
Joran:  Imagine how "conjo" I had to be to have them to say they had dropped me of at the hotel. That messed things up truly, that messed things up.
 
Patrick:  But, of course.
 
Joran:  So I told him, but if the police comes, Deepak and Satish have dropped me off at the beach there, so I will have to talk with them also.  Then he/they said, "Yes, that is true."
 
Patrick: So you never told these two anything?
 
Joran:  Never, never, never


Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005


I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back.


NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for July 26, 2005, CNNHN
Aired July 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET


JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00 ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 19, 2009, 01:20:05 PM
The only segment of the Range Rover recordings regarding Joran van der Sloot's "confession" that reflects the truth is the segment that Joran refers to Natalee's uncontrollable shaking.

In the initial stages of the investigation Natalee's mother and stepfather were questioned by Aruban LE regarding the issues of seizures.  The implication appears to be that during interrogations Joran shared with authorities circumstances encompassing the actual demise of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

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RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran:
By the corner, by the Marriot, between the Marriott and the fisherman's hut. There is a road. I get out and walk with her on the beach. I begin to kiss her and such, but she does not look too good. Shit man, but she also looked good, but she wanted (it), she really wanted (it). So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did. Shaking, yes, very bad. So I was like, "Shit, what is this?" 

Patrick: What did you do then? 

Joran: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody. 

Patrick: Of course, no one is there, it's night time Joran. 

Joran: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her, she's not talking, 

Patrick: How long did she shake then? Do you know what it is? 

Joran: I don't know. 

Patrick: An epileptic episode, or something, man. She was shaking and foam also, from her mouth? 

Joran: No, no foam from her mouth. Not that I saw ...


Beth Holloway on Joran van der Sloot's 'Confession'
Thursday, February 07, 2008


BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER:  And you know, when you're hearing it, some of the things that I was hearing — of course, the first thing that struck me when Peter was telling me — and there were some camera crews around. And Peter began to disclose to me how Joran described Natalee's condition, the shaking. And I tell you, Greta, I mean, I had to ask everyone to leave the room. I wanted everyone out.

I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we can tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 19, 2009, 02:17:01 PM
ARCHIVES ARE WHERE IT IS AT!

Considering the time frame in regards to the gardener's observation and ... the time of the "something bad happening" on the beach related by Joran in Range Rover "confession" ... could it be that Joran, Deepak and Satish hid Natalee in the Mangrove bushes and ... then ran across the street the Deepak's vehicle to discuss the situation?  Could it be that Paulus was contacted ... entered the scene and took over?  Could it be that Deepak and Satish then took Joran home according to Freddy's statement?

Janet

+++++++

THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS

Patrick:
Where did you talk to him?
 
Joran:  The payphone, from the Marriott hotel,
 
Patrick: In the lobby?
 
Joran:  No outside by the pool. I always sit there.
 
Patrick: Did you just leave her there?
 
Joran:  I left her there.
 
Joran:  So I picked her up and put her by the mangrove things. And I told him, "You need to come here." Because he lives by himself, he does not do all that shit, sometimes he takes a bitch and fucks here, but he lives alone, always. That's the way it should be, so he says. So he gets there, and he says, "Joran what did you do? (Then the friend says,) "But she looks so sweet, you know." She just lays there, she does not do anything. He asks me, "What happened?"... "I don't know," I tell him,
 
Patrick:  Did you try to reanimeren (resuscitate) her?
 
Joran:  Of course, I did.  I tried to shake her.  I was shaking the bitch, I was almost crying, "Why does shit like this happen to me?" I said to him, "This is not possible."
 
Patrick:  What time was this?
 
Joran:  Two thirty, two o'clock.


THE GARDENER

Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005


I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way when I drove along there. I cannot remember on which day I saw the photograph of the persons in the newspaper. The photograph, which the police force showed me, is the same photograph as the photograph that appeared in the Diario. You ask me how can I know or recognize the persons from the photograph in the newspaper or that I had seen that night. The first time then I saw the photograph in the Diario I had been astonished and I said that to colleagues. You represent me that I have explained that I have recognized the persons from their construction and mail hour. You ask me if I could see from my position in the car. My position was a bit is higher, in the turning I had drive concerning a sand hill as a result of which my position was a bit slanted. As a result, I could look at in the car. I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares.  You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes.
 
Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005


I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road.


FREDDY

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005


To your question whether I of if Joran told the story to someone else, than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is inside my mobile phone.

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time.


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005


The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house.

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.


PAULUS

NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for August 12, 2005, CNNHN
Aired August 12, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: ... Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/12/ng.01.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 21
Read the transcript to the Tuesday show


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... He had initially told the witnesses that he himself had picked up Joran Van Der Sloot at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the 30th. But he later changed it about three weeks into the investigation that he did not pick up Joran at 4:00 a.m. on the 30th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/
 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 19, 2009, 08:04:18 PM
It appears that Joran van der Sloot,  Rudy Croes,  Peter Devries and Patrick vander Eem are willing to give Paulus van der Sloot a free pass in regards to any involvement in the events encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.  The Range Rover recordings negated all archives ... negates the Aruban Superior Court ruling ... in the Natalee Holloway case that imply otherwise.

Janet

+++++++

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

The Range Rover Transcript


Joran:  Yes
 
Patrick:  Nobody helped?
 
Joran:  Somebody, who I trust, I am not giving his name, not my parents, somebody I trust

Joran:  Something happened, I didn't kill her, the ocean is big, right? I got very lucky they never found her (no body no case). I think I'm in the clear, they won't find a body. Let me tell you, I never talked about this to anyone. They dumped her in the ocean. I know people who could help me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat. 


RUDY CROES

Amigoe.com
02/08/2008


... Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


PETER DEVRIES

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


PATRICK VANDER EEM

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.  

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 19, 2009, 08:52:25 PM
It appears that the prosecutor's office may not rearrest Joran van der Sloot in regards to his words regarding the felony of disposing a body claiming that Joran's words in the Range Rover recordings cannot be trusted.  However ... when it comes to exonerating the Kalpoes based on Joran's lying words ... exonerating those who could implicate Paulus van der Sloot and the sons of the elite as well as expose the corrupt investigation ... that is a different story.  Hey ... Peter Devries gives the Kalpoes a pass on Joran's lying words.  The archive backups implying Deepak and Satish were involved in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 are negated ... are a non-issue.

Janet

+++++

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

The Range Rover Recording


Joran: ... Ok they have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further.
 
Patrick:  Deepak and Satish.
 
Joran:  Dumb boys, Patrick, they are not even worth it.
 
<snipped>
 
Patrick: So you never told these two anything?
 
Joran:  Never, never, never. 


THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


PETER DEVRIES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008


GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm





Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 19, 2009, 09:30:34 PM
I hope the Dr. Phil's copy of the Jamie Skeeters' recording was not deceptively manipulated from the original because I somehow believe it will be required to stand alone in the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes ... stand alone without any backup documents from the Aruban investigation.

I believe that Joran's words in the Range Rover recordings has possibly paved the road for a successful outcome in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

If the Kalpoes are no longer suspects ... if they have been exonerated by Joran's words on the Range Rover recordings ... I believe that the documentation held by Aruba ... documentation that would prove that the Kalpoes were not defamed by Dr. Phil .. will be sealed.  I could be wrong.

Janet

++++++

The Kalpoe's Attorney

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil   
 
 
A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 20, 2009, 12:51:03 AM
YOUR WORK DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2009, 11:15:15 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 20, 2009, 11:17:45 AM
::MonkeyAngel::



 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
I find it very suspicious that Joran's anger issues did not come into play in regards to the video recording that was about to be released ... the video recording where he admits that he was present when Natalee Holloway died and ... implicates himself in the disposal of Natalee's body.  He has no concern.  Why?  Also ... he does not appear to hold anything again Patrick van der Eem or Peter Devries for their betrayal in regards to a "secret" recording.

Something is not right

Janet

+++++++++++++

Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008


Question: Have you talked more to this friend who got this story from you?

Joran: I just had a conversation with him, for about 20 minutes.

Question: and did you (uitgekafferd) **** (lol) on him?

Joran: No, I still talk with him normal.

<snipped>

Question: do you blame de Vries?

Joran : NO, he does his job, I think that sunday night will bring very good tv night.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2561.msg336476;topicseen#msg336476



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 21, 2009, 01:10:34 PM

THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT - IS A SETTLEMENT ON THE HORIZON?

I cannot comprehend why Deepak and Satish Kalpoe's attorneys (Aruba) would file this huge defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw unless ther is a solid foundation to prove that the recording heard on the Dr. Phil Show differed from the original recording that can be found on Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

Think about it.  A professional comparison in an FBI lab is all it would take to would reveal to the world whether or not Deepak admitted that he, Joran and Satish had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Also, the Kalpoe attorneys must realize that Phil McGraw millions would provide a defence like no other.

Unless case related documents can be obtained by McGraw's attorneys which will reveal that the Kalpoes were not defamed ... I am expecting an out-of-court settlement.

IMO

Janet

++++++++

On the Record w/ Greta
Tale of the Tape
Thursday, December 01, 2005


Jamie Skeeters, while in Aruba, had a taped interview with Deepak Kalpoe and there is now much debate about that tape and what Deepak did or did not say. Did Deepak admit on the tape to having sex with Natalee or did he deny it? On the "Dr. Phil" show, it was claimed that Deepak admitted on tape to having sex with Natalee. The authorities in Aruba disagree and assert that on the original tape Deepak actually denies, not admits, to having had sex with Natalee. Some authorities in Aruba now say that the "Dr. Phil" show — or someone — manipulated or altered the original tape of the interview with Deepak in order to create a false story for air. This is in sharp contrast to what the representatives of the "Dr. Phil" show assert.

The (Dr. Phil) representative also said the show stands by its position that Deepak said on tape, "You would be surprised how simple it was...."  The implication of that quote is that Deepak had sex with Natalee. When we listened to the generation of tape provided us the other night from Aruban representatives, our staff thought what was said was, "You would be surprised how simple it would have been."

... We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI.

Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


'The Abrams Report' for Dec. 1st
updated 6:00 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


DAN ABRAMS, HOST: All right. Let me do this. I‘m going to play now in order all three. I‘m going to play Jamie Skeeters‘ version—again, that‘s the actual one we got. We went to Jamie Skeeters‘ office and recorded exactly what he had on his hard drive. Then I want to play the version that Arlene has sent to us.

Again, I‘m going to do this without words on the screen this time so you all can listen and decide for yourselves and then we‘re going to play the “Dr. Phil” version. All right, so let‘s start with the—this is the Jamie Skeeters‘ version. This is what actually came from the hard drive. Here it is.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: Yes, she did. You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

ABRAMS: Boy that sure sounds like she did and you wouldn‘t—it was really easy. All right. Now, this is the version that we got from Arlene in Aruba and I have to tell you, it sounds different.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

SKEETERS: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: No, she didn‘t. You would be surprised how simple it was that night.  

(END AUDIOTAPE)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/





Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 21, 2009, 01:34:47 PM

THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT - IS A SETTLEMENT ON THE HORIZON?

I cannot comprehend why Deepak and Satish Kalpoe's attorneys (Aruba) would file this huge defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw unless ther is a solid foundation to prove that the recording heard on the Dr. Phil Show differed from the original recording that can be found on Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

Think about it.  A professional comparison in an FBI lab is all it would take to would reveal to the world whether or not Deepak admitted that he, Joran and Satish had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Also, the Kalpoe attorneys must realize that Phil McGraw millions would provide a defence like no other.

Unless case related documents can be obtained by McGraw's attorneys which will reveal that the Kalpoes were not defamed ... I am expecting an out-of-court settlement.

IMO

Janet

++++++++

On the Record w/ Greta
Tale of the Tape
Thursday, December 01, 2005


Jamie Skeeters, while in Aruba, had a taped interview with Deepak Kalpoe and there is now much debate about that tape and what Deepak did or did not say. Did Deepak admit on the tape to having sex with Natalee or did he deny it? On the "Dr. Phil" show, it was claimed that Deepak admitted on tape to having sex with Natalee. The authorities in Aruba disagree and assert that on the original tape Deepak actually denies, not admits, to having had sex with Natalee. Some authorities in Aruba now say that the "Dr. Phil" show — or someone — manipulated or altered the original tape of the interview with Deepak in order to create a false story for air. This is in sharp contrast to what the representatives of the "Dr. Phil" show assert.

The (Dr. Phil) representative also said the show stands by its position that Deepak said on tape, "You would be surprised how simple it was...."  The implication of that quote is that Deepak had sex with Natalee. When we listened to the generation of tape provided us the other night from Aruban representatives, our staff thought what was said was, "You would be surprised how simple it would have been."

... We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI.

Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


'The Abrams Report' for Dec. 1st
updated 6:00 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


DAN ABRAMS, HOST: All right. Let me do this. I‘m going to play now in order all three. I‘m going to play Jamie Skeeters‘ version—again, that‘s the actual one we got. We went to Jamie Skeeters‘ office and recorded exactly what he had on his hard drive. Then I want to play the version that Arlene has sent to us.

Again, I‘m going to do this without words on the screen this time so you all can listen and decide for yourselves and then we‘re going to play the “Dr. Phil” version. All right, so let‘s start with the—this is the Jamie Skeeters‘ version. This is what actually came from the hard drive. Here it is.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: Yes, she did. You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

ABRAMS: Boy that sure sounds like she did and you wouldn‘t—it was really easy. All right. Now, this is the version that we got from Arlene in Aruba and I have to tell you, it sounds different.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

SKEETERS: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: No, she didn‘t. You would be surprised how simple it was that night.  

(END AUDIOTAPE)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/





I could be mistaken, but I thought that the case was dismissed with prejudice....

DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE - When a case is dismissed for good reason and the plaintiff is barred from bringing an action on the same claim.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d061.htm

If this is true, a settlement might not be in the horizon, as you've stated.  jmo and subject to change if my facts are incorrect.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 21, 2009, 01:47:15 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

The defamation lawsuit filed by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe (Aruba) against Phil Mcgraw has been dismissed!!!

When did this happen?

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 21, 2009, 02:15:51 PM
Natalee Holloway: Estate of Jamie Skeeters Wins Motion to Strike Against Kalpoes in Dr. Phil Defamation Case

There is no competent evidence offered as to Defendant Skeeter’s liability for the emotional distress or fraud claims either. As such, the motion is properly granted in favor of Defendant Skeeter given Plaintiffs’ failure to offer sufficient competent evidence on essential elements of all causes of action in the FAC to show a possibility of success on the merits of their claims as against Defendant Skeeters. (pg14)


10.dotratc on May 10th, 2009 7:17 am

Maybe the celebrations are a bit premature. You inadvertently left the following portion of the Judge’s Order out when you posted the article:

“To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable…”

By dismissing the Skeeters Estate, the Judge effectively eliminated one of the best defenses available to the remaining Defendants.



The full court transcript can be read here:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/09/natalee-holloway-estate-of-jamie-skeeters-wins-motion-to-strike-against-kalpoes-in-dr-phil-defamation-case/




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 21, 2009, 02:20:19 PM
The Kalpoes' attorney never had any intentions of releasing case related documents.  The comparison between the original recording and the Dr. Phil recording was were it was at from the getgo.

Janet

+++++++

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007

KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 21, 2009, 03:41:29 PM
I believe the following words in the judgement on behalf of the estate of Jamie Skeeters is huge in regards to the direction the court appears to be heading in the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

I am inclined to believe that settling with Deepak and Satish (Aruba) will be in Phil McGraw's best interest.

I am not rejoicing in my speculations in regards to the direction of this defamation lawsuit.  I will gladly eat an entire crow pie if I am wrong.

Janet

++++++

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA COUNT,  OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be show to have  been neglgent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 21, 2009, 03:44:16 PM
SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA COUNT,  OF LOS ANGELES

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 21, 2009, 03:55:41 PM
This is what I was thinking of:

The latest in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  Nothing new is available yet as far as documentation:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Hearings
11/16/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (cont from 9-15-09 per stip signed9-3-09)

05/06/2010 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

05/17/2010 at 09:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial


Documents filed but not available yet:

09/03/2009 Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINS THE ESTATE OF SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES, INC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (TO CONT. THE HEARIN ON PLNTF MOTIONS TO COMPEL FROM 9-15-09 TO 11-16-09 )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (ORDER TO EXTEND DISCOVERY CUT-OFF DATES )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINST THE ESTATE OF JAMIE SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES.... )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent






Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 21, 2009, 04:18:48 PM
From the getgo ... it do not make sense to me that Phil McGraw's attorneys were requesting case documents from Aruba to use as evidence that McGraw did not defame Deepak and Satish in the recording he played on his show.  My contention was comparing the disputed segment with the Skeeters' orginal ... with the hard drive was all that was required.

Then it dawned on me that the disputed segment must had been deceptively manipulated and could not stand alone.  The implication was that documentation from the case file would be required to prove that Deepak and Satish were not defamed.  Maybe documentation some akin to documentation which reflected Steve Cohen words which stated that at least two of the suspects had sex with Natalee Holloway.

However ... I speculate that Joran's words in the Range Rover recording ... words that appears exonerate the Kalpoes from implication in the happens encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway ... rendering them no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case ... will go a long ways towards the inability of Phil McGraw's attorneys to have access to to documents.

Janet

++++++

STEVE COHEN

Aruba Truth
December 7, 2005


A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


CARIBBEAN VOICE - January 18, 2006

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen.


THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING - THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil   
   
 
A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html





 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 21, 2009, 06:58:07 PM
From the getgo ... it do not make sense to me that Phil McGraw's attorneys were requesting case documents from Aruba to use as evidence that McGraw did not defame Deepak and Satish in the recording he played on his show.  My contention was comparing the disputed segment with the Skeeters' orginal ... with the hard drive was all that was required.

Then it dawned on me that the disputed segment must had been deceptively manipulated and could not stand alone.  The implication was that documentation from the case file would be required to prove that Deepak and Satish were not defamed.  Maybe documentation some akin to documentation which reflected Steve Cohen words which stated that at least two of the suspects had sex with Natalee Holloway.

However ... I speculate that Joran's words in the Range Rover recording ... words that appears exonerate the Kalpoes from implication in the happens encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway ... rendering them no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case ... will go a long ways towards the inability of Phil McGraw's attorneys to have access to to documents.

Janet

++++++

STEVE COHEN

Aruba Truth
December 7, 2005


A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


CARIBBEAN VOICE - January 18, 2006

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen.


THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING - THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil   
   
 
A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html
 

THE RANGE ROVER TAPES - THE EXONERATION OF THE KAPOES

It appears that the prosecutor's office would not rearrest Joran van der Sloot in regards to his words in the Range Rover recording.   The felony of disposing a body would not apply because Joran's words cannot be trusted.

However ... when it comes to exonerating the Kalpoes based on Joran's lying words in the Range Rover recording ... exonerating those who could implicate Paulus van der Sloot and the sons of the elite as well as expose the corrupt investigation ... that is a different story.

Hey ... Peter Devries gives the Kalpoes a pass on Joran's lying words.  The archive backups implying Deepak and Satish were involved in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 are negated ... are a non-issue.

Janet

+++++

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

The Range Rover Recording


Joran: ... Ok they have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further.
 
Patrick:  Deepak and Satish.
 
Joran:  Dumb boys, Patrick, they are not even worth it.
 
<snipped>
 
Patrick: So you never told these two anything?
 
Joran:  Never, never, never. 


THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


PETER DEVRIES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008


GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 21, 2009, 07:01:56 PM
Considering I do not believe for one minute that Aruba will hand over documentation implicating Deepak and Satish Kalpoe ... I contend the best case scenario would be that the judge would dismiss the defamation case for non compliance.

On the other hand ... if the Phil McGraw recordings were deceptively manipulated ... I believe that the Kalpoes could win big time.

This is behind my reasoning ... my speculation ... that there will be a negotiated settlement.

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 21, 2009, 08:19:15 PM
I believe the following words in the judgement on behalf of the estate of Jamie Skeeters is huge in regards to the direction the court appears to be heading in the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

I am inclined to believe that settling with Deepak and Satish (Aruba) will be in Phil McGraw's best interest.

I am not rejoicing in my speculations in regards to the direction of this defamation lawsuit.  I will gladly eat an entire crow pie if I am wrong.

Janet

++++++

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA COUNT,  OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be show to have  been neglgent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


BUMPED!!


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 12:21:44 PM
THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING - THE OUTCOME - IN PRD'S OWN WORDS

Could the Range Rover recording have been a collaborated effort by Joran van der Sloot (Paulus), Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem and the Aruban Law Enforcement ... a collaborated effort to appease the family and close the investigation by:

1.  Allowing only an underage Joran and unknown person/s to take the fall for assisting in the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body.

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


2.  Exonerating Deepak and Satish who have the ability to implicate Paulus ... the sons of the elite and ... exposing the corrupt investigation.

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


3.  Negating the find of the Persistence ... the find of a trap/cage ... a trap/cage which from a professional anaylsis may have held the remains of Natalee Holloway ... the remains which were afforded unchallenged to the enemy by John Silvitti as well as  ... negating the shoe within the trap/cage ... negating the shoe to the status of unrelated to the case.

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 12:53:49 PM
If Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are no longer suspects in Natalee Holloway case as a result of the Range Rover recording ... if case related documentation are not forthcoming from Aruba and  ... if there is any doubt concerning the "editing" of the Dr. Phil recording ... could the road toward a successful out come in the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw have been paved?

+++++

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


The Kalpoe's Attorney
Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil
     
 
A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.


In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 01:03:45 PM
What is wrong with this picture.

An American judge refuses to dismiss the defamation case and allowed the Kalpoes' attorneys another five days to produce the requested documentation.  That was in February, 2008.  That was over 1 1/2 years ago.  Why has the case not dismissed?

Could it be that the Kalpoes' attorneys have convinced the judge that the alleged manipulation of the Dr. Phil recording is what the case is all about?

Janet

++++++

The Kalpoe's Attorney
Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil
     
 
A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

<snipped>

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 04:48:47 PM
[color=blue]HELLO PETER![/color]  Read the Range Rover transcript!  Listen to the Range Rover transcript.  Joran admitted that he cannot be sure that Natalee Holloway was deceased following her apparent seizure prior to being dumped in the ocean.

It appears that Peter Devries is determined that Joran van der Sloot is not going to be implicated in anything more serious than the felony of disposing of a body.  Think about it ... Joran admitted to Patrick in the Range Rover recording that he could not be sure that Natalee Holloway was dead was deceased.

Hey ... unless either Joran van der Sloot or "Daury" possess certification that qualifies them to determine if Natalee Holloway had taken her last breath ... why is Peter Devries affording Joran van der Sloot the benefit of the doubt that the only felony Dutch Law can imposed was pertaining to the disposal of a "body"?

Janet

+++++

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?


If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives. During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm




RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Patrick: How did you know she was dead?
 
Joran: She didn't move anymore.
 
Patrick: And Daury, did he check?

Joran: Yeah, he stood over her and looked at her.

Patrick: That's it? What if she was in coma?  

Joran: Uh...I don't know. I didn't know [if she was dead], she could have been in a coma, I didn't feel her, but it didn't look good. I didn't know fuckin sure she was dead.  Daury looked at her and said she was dead. He just looked at her and said, she's dead. Could've been a coma 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 04:59:53 PM
I contend that the reason that the Range Rover hoax did not result in the arrest of Joran van der Sloot for the felony under Dutch Law of disposing of a body ... the Range Rover hoax that was all about implicating an underage Joran in the disposal of a body and distances all others who may have been involved in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... was the words of Joran admitting Natalee was dumped in the ocean and ... he had no idea whether or not she was deceased.

This is huge.  I can only assume that Dutch Law does not allow for the dumping of persons into the ocean ... persons who have not been determined to be dead.

Janet

 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 05:13:05 PM
The "powers that be" made the decision that Joran's words in the Range Rover recording could not be trusted in regards to the happenings encompassing Natalee Holloway's apparent demise and disposal of what appeared to be a body  and ... therefore no arrest.

On the other hand ... the words of Joran in the same recording ... words regarding the exoneration of Deepak and Satish could be believed and ... therefore the Kalpoes are no longer suspects.

Janet

+++++++


JORAN CANNOT BE BELIEVED!

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!


The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


JORAN CAN BE BELIEVED!

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!


The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 05:54:49 PM
What is wrong with this picture.

An American judge refuses to dismiss the defamation case and allowed the Kalpoes' attorneys another five days to produce the requested documentation.  That was in February, 2008.  That was over 1 1/2 years ago.  If the requested documents have not been received by McGraw's attorneys ....why has the case not been dismissed?

Could it be that the Kalpoes' attorneys have reminded the judge that the alleged manipulation of the Dr. Phil recording is what the case is all about?

Janet

++++++


The Kalpoe's Attorney
Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil
     
 
A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

... In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


The Kalpoe's Attorney
Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator  to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


BUMPED


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 06:07:36 PM
If I am reading the following words within the judgement on behalf of the estate of Jamie Skeeters correctly ... the implication is that the positive outcome of the defamation lawsuit against Jamie Skeeters does not reflect what the outcome will be in the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

Janet

++++++

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNEC
Post by: Buckeye on September 22, 2009, 06:51:25 PM
It was important to establish a "public" interest.  The antislap laws are based on Freedom of Speech (by media) when a public figure or "public" interest is involved.  Much of the requested discovery related to this.

I would pay attention to the pdf, page 11.  There is very little competent evidence offered by Plaintiffs (K2) to support falsity of the allegedly defamatory statements that Plaintiffs has sex with Holloway, and/or potentially drugged her and had non-consensual sex with her on the night of her disappearance. There is the purported order from the court in Aruba affirming the trial judge's decision to reject a request by the prosecutor to detain Plaintiffs. Even assuming this translation is admissible, it is not proof that Plaintiffs did not have sex with Holloway.....

Where is the reported NFI document?  Welcome to the USA.  Prove it or lose it.  No Range Rover tape needed.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNEC
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 06:59:30 PM
It was important to establish a "public" interest.  The antislap laws are based on Freedom of Speech (by media) when a public figure or "public" interest is involved.  Much of the requested discovery related to this.

I would pay attention to the pdf, page 11.  There is very little competent evidence offered by Plaintiffs (K2) to support falsity of the allegedly defamatory statements that Plaintiffs has sex with Holloway, and/or potentially drugged her and had non-consensual sex with her on the night of her disappearance. There is the purported order from the court in Aruba affirming the trial judge's decision to reject a request by the prosecutor to detain Plaintiffs. Even assuming this translation is admissible, it is not proof that Plaintiffs did not have sex with Holloway.....

Where is the reported NFI document?  Welcome to the USA.  Prove it or lose it.  No Range Rover tape needed.

Thanks Buckeye.

Is this the final judgement?  The Kalpoes lose?

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNEC
Post by: Buckeye on September 22, 2009, 07:07:10 PM
It was important to establish a "public" interest.  The antislap laws are based on Freedom of Speech (by media) when a public figure or "public" interest is involved.  Much of the requested discovery related to this.

I would pay attention to the pdf, page 11.  There is very little competent evidence offered by Plaintiffs (K2) to support falsity of the allegedly defamatory statements that Plaintiffs has sex with Holloway, and/or potentially drugged her and had non-consensual sex with her on the night of her disappearance. There is the purported order from the court in Aruba affirming the trial judge's decision to reject a request by the prosecutor to detain Plaintiffs. Even assuming this translation is admissible, it is not proof that Plaintiffs did not have sex with Holloway.....

Where is the reported NFI document?  Welcome to the USA.  Prove it or lose it.  No Range Rover tape needed.

Thanks Buckeye.

Is this the final judgement?  The Kalpoes lose?

Janet


against Skeeters.  And Skeeters confirmed that Deepak said what he had recorded.  Unless the K2 can show falsity of the tape, I can't see how they can win against Dr. Phil.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 07:13:37 PM
If I am reading the following words within the judgement on behalf of the estate of Jamie Skeeters correctly ... the implication is that the positive outcome of the defamation lawsuit against Jamie Skeeters does not reflect what the outcome will be in the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

Janet

++++++

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf




It was my impression that Deepak and Satish's defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw was all about the allegation that the Dr. Phil recording was deceptively manipulated to imply Deepak had told Jamie Skeeters that he, Joran and Satish had sex with Natalee.

My contention has always been that a professional comparison in an FBI lab  between the Jamie Skeeters' original (hard drive) and Dr. Phil's recording would reveal the truth.

Janet
_______

The Kalpoe's Attorney
Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator  to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNEC
Post by: Buckeye on September 22, 2009, 07:34:39 PM
It is the burden of the Plaintiff to prove the falsity of the tape.  They should have had something tangible (other than anger and greed) before they filed suit.  If they did have an NFI report or any report that said Deepak was misquoted, they need to include it in discovery.  A US judge does not care what anyone in Aruba or Thailand thinks.  He needs proof of malice and manipulation.  If the Plaintiffs want an FBI analysis/report they need to pursue that...the judge is not going to....maybe they don't want an official report.  Maybe they have one from the NFI that is not favorable to their cause.  :smt102


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 07:52:35 PM
Thanks Buckeye

Did you read the above quote from the Jamie Skeeters' judgement.  It implies that the Dr. Phil's recording is an issue in the defamation lawsuit.  You thoughts?

This lawsuit could have been over at the getgo if Phil McGraw attorneys had requested a professional comparison of the Dr. Phil's recording and Jamie Skeeters' recording (hard drive).  McGraw attorneys have been attempting for two years to obtain documentation from Aruba to back the contention that Deepak and Satish were not defamed.

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 08:23:43 PM
Considering the skepticism encompassing the Dr. Phil recording ... a measure of justice for Natalee Holloway would be where it was at if America could hear in Deepak's own words from the orginal recording on Jamie Skeeters' hard drive or be assured from the court that he, Joran and Satish all had sex with Natalee Holloway.

It would negate the Range Rover recording 100%.

Janet

++++++++


THE COMPLETE STORY

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

... Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 08:56:57 PM
This is the Abandon the Appeal doc that was filed.  The other docs simply have to do with the Skeeter's Estate and basically the Kalpoes aren't going to go after the Skeeter's Estate at all.  This Abandon Appeal may have to do with the Skeeters Estate as well.. not sure:

<snipped:


Klaas ... thank you.

I will read tomorrow.  However ... I believe the document may have to do with the Kalpoes' attorneya not appealing the judgement in favor of Jamie Skeeters.  Maybe the efforts are going into the Phil McGraw segment of the defamation lawsuit.

Thanks again.

Janet

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SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2009, 10:12:11 AM

Either the Persistence betrayal reflects the truth or ... the Range Rover "confession"  reflects the truth.  There cannot be two truths.

Janet

++++++


THE COMPLETE STORY

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


- COMPLETE CONFESSION -

At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

... Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

... Joran tells Daury he walked back home and hid his shoes in a storm drain.

... Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.
 
http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNEC
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2009, 11:32:16 AM

<snipped>

Unless the K2 can show falsity of the tape, I can't see how they can win against Dr. Phil.


Buckeye ... I agree.  The outcome of the defamation case rests on the alleged editing/manipulation of the Dr. Phil tape.  This issue could be cleared up if either McGraw or Kalpoes' attorneys would request a professional comparison in the FBI lab of the Dr. Phil recording and the Jamie Skeeters' orginal recording (hard drive) and ... submit the report to the court.

What am I missing?

The two year effort by McGraw's attorneys to obtain case documentation from Aruba to backup their claim that the Kalpoes' were not defamed on the show implies to me that the Dr. Phil tape may not reflect the words spoken by Deepak in the Jamie Skeeter interview/recording.

Janet

+++++++

The Kalpoe's Attorney
Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


On the Record w/ Greta
Tale of the Tape
Thursday, December 01, 2005


... We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI.

Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2009, 11:58:07 AM
The following words from the court absolving Jamie Skeeters of wrongdoing in the defamation lawsuit by the Kalpoes tells me that the copy of the recording Skeeters gave to Phil McGraw reflected the original on his hard drive.

Janet

++++

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14
:  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf
 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2009, 12:50:30 PM
Why are the case documents so fundamental?  Why can the Dr. Phil recording not stand along side of Jamie Skeeters' original (hard drive) in the defending of this defamation lawsuit.

There is no way that Aruba is going to release documentation that implicates the Kalpoes in the act of wrongdoing.  Considering the Aruban courts have now released Deepak and Satish as suspects in the Natalee Holloway case on the words of Joran's "confession" in the Range Rover recordings ... the documentations accumulated in the course of the investigation are now considered non-issues ... unsubstantiated allegations ... hersay .   
 
Anyways ... I do believe the five days extension was up over 1 1/2 years ago .  Why has this defamation lawsuit not been dismissed?

Janet

++++++++


Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," (Court Judge Edward A) Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2009, 01:38:25 PM
If Phil McGraw's attorneys expect official documentation from Aruba backing up Deepak's recorded words heard on the show ... words implying that he had sex with Natalee Holloway ... it is not going to happen.

Janet

+++++++


CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) ... Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance.  "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …


ARUBA TRUTH - January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 11:20:32 AM
PETER DEVRIES - THE FIFTH CAR TRIP

Another reason that I contend that Range Rover "confession" was a hoax collaborated by Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem, Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban "powers that be" to distract from the trap/cage ... was derived from Kyle Kingman's own words.

Kyle may not have contacted Beth Holloway but ... Peter Devries was definitely in the know.

Think about it.  Considering he had knowledge ... why has Peter Devries not been in the lead exposing what appears to be Natalee Holloway remains inside the trap/cage ... remains that were "discovered" by the Persistent endeavor.  Instead ... a fifth "secret" recording was hastily put together in January, 2008 with the knowledge of the Aruban "powers that be".

Janet
________

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status.

Kyle Kingman:  I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics.  DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

++++++

Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 01:49:17 PM
Jen

The fifth and final "car trip" to record Joran van der Sloot "confession"  was made on January 29, 2008 with the full knowledge of the Aruban "powers that be".

Kyle Kingman's own words state that Peter Devries was aware of the ROV footage in February, 2008.  Kyle shares that there were negotiations taking place in February, 2008.

When Peter Devries was doing the talk show circuit in February, 2008 ... he had full knowledge that Joran van der Sloot's "confession" regarding the disposal of Natalee Holloway's remains did not reflect the involvement of a cage/trap.  In other words ... Devries was abetting the enemy when he was negating the implication that Natalee's remains were retrieved by the Aruban divers.

Think about it.  For almost two years this crime reporter has kept quiet about the story ... a huge story ... that the ability to expose the finale to the Aruban coverup which has prevented justice from prevail.  Not a peep.  He shared nothing with Beth Holloway.

+++++++


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: What did -- let me back up then. What does Joran say about Natalee the night that she died?

DE VRIES: Well, what he is saying is that he was on the beach with her and that she suddenly did like this, and then he panicked. And he said, Well, she died at that moment. She wasn't ticking (ph) anymore. And then he found his friend, and he wanted to get rid of the body. And they brought her into a boat, and then she was disposed into the ocean.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 02:05:54 PM
I contend that the Range Rover recording conforms to the Aruban coverup agenda perfectly.  It negates the trap/cage as well as ... the involvement of Paulus and the Kalpoe brothers.  The recording implies that Joran alone would take the fall while being assured that he will not be held accountable.

Janet

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PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


THE KALPOES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!


The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 12:59:46 PM
The Range Rover "confession" recording conformed perfectly to the Aruban coverup agenda.  Is it any wonder that Dolph Richardson implied he must be dreaming.  The Range Rover "confession" recording was ... beyond a doubt ... an Aruban dream come true. 

1.  The focus was taken off the contents of the cage/trap.
2.  The focus was taken off the participation of Paulus in the coverup..
3.  The focus was taken off the participation of the Kalpoes in the events encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway ... the Kalpoes who had the ability to implicate Paulus.
4.  The focus was was on only Joran vander Sloot who ... when all was said and done ... admitted no wrongdoing except participating in the disposal of a body when he was yet a minor.
5.  The family would be pacified with a measure of closure.
6.  The case would be closed.
7.  The disappearance of Natalee Holloway would become a faded memory.
8.  Aruban tourism would once again flouish.

Janet

+++++

THE PERSISTENCE - DOLF RICHARDSON

Kyle Kingman:
  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman:  Remember it was Richardson who said to us that he personally handled the evidence and sent it immediately to our FBI.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman:  Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn.

Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle Kingman:  Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it.

However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities".

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net
 

oceanexplortion
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »


The Coast Guard is not the same as the Aruba police dive division. It seemed very odd to be told they don't have dive capabilities, especially after they told us it would take about 10-14 days to get a Dutch forensic team on site. This was 12 and 13 days later. Coincidence perhaps?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857


THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING - DOLPH RICHARDSON

On the Record w/ Greta - February 8, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:: Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner, Dolph Richardson. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me, Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 01:02:40 PM
JORAN'S SHOES
 
Joran van der Sloot's confession in the Range Rover recordings regarding throwing his shoes in a drain while walking home from the beach on the morning of May 30, 2005 negates the contention that the shoe placed within the cage/trap ... a shoe which was recovered on January 1, 2008 by the Arubans ... was case related.
_________
 
JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

THE RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPTS
 
Patrick:  How did you get home, then?
 
Joran:  I just walked, what do you think, he had to ...
 
Patrick:  How long a walk is that then?
 
Joran:  Fifteen or so, and the shoe thing is all BS Patrick.
 
Patrick:  Does he have your shoes?
 
Joran:  No.  These shoes I have thrown them away, I have thrown them away myself. On the way to there... on the way to home ...
 
Patrick: You just took them off.
 
Joran: No, on the way to there, you have these puts (drains or manholes).
 
Patrick: Riolering (storm drains) or something.
 
Joran: Yes.


PETER DEVRIES

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


KYLE KINGMAN

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
« Reply #770 on: March 07, 2008, 02:40:46 PM »

 
As far as the beak-in at the huts:
As I see it there are two possibilities.  First, the fish huts were actually broken into and therefore likely related to the case. Alternatively, the door was kicked in by the Police during the search within a couple days of Natalee's dissapearance and a lovely new knife taken in the process. 
In either case, a trap, a sneaker, and a girl went missing.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362152#msg362152
 
 
Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #770 9/20/08 through
« Reply #587 on: September 25, 2008, 12:15:01 AM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.msg469889;topicseen#msg469889



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 01:05:39 PM
DAURY RODRIGUEZ

Mystery Man in Holloway Case Comes Forward
Man Named As Accomplice By Van der Sloot Denies Involvement in Aruba Disappearance


By ELIZABETH VARGAS & CHRIS FRANCESCANI
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
ORANJESTAD, Aruba
Feb. 4, 2008


A 21-year old Aruban came forward Monday to say that he is the mystery man that Joran van der Sloot implicated on undercover tapes, but claims that he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Daury Rodriguez said he was contacted on Saturday by a frantic biographer of Van der Sloot's who, he said, warned him that his name was about to surface in the press as being the alleged accomplice who took Holloway's body out to sea in a boat and dumped it.

"She said, 'I got your number from Joran, because he said your name is going to show up in the press, but I know it's not true. It doesn't fit the story, so you've got to do something about it. You've got to give me proof [of his whereabouts in May 2005], so I can put it in the newspaper ... here in Holland."

... Rodriguez's attorney Chris Lejuez said his client was born in Colombia, but moved to Aruba as a child when his mother married an Aruban man.  

Entire Article:
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=2
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=3


VVideo Recording
February, 2008


PATRICK: What is his name?

JORAN: Daury

PATRICK: Daury what? Is he Dutch?

JORAN: Yes.  Half Dutch. Half Aruban.  Dutch Mother.


Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 01:08:47 PM


HT Klaasend
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/DeVriesNominated.jpg)

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/tekst/nieuws-wintemmy.html

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/images/emmy16.jpg) (http://www.peterrdevries.nl/images/emmy17.jpg)(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/images/emmy9.jpg)

http://www.iemmys.tv/news_item.aspx?id=66

snip:

Dutch crime reporter, Peter R. de Vries’ undercover camera report on the Natalee Holloway case, produced by SBS Broadcasting B.V/Endemol Entertainment won the Current Affairs category. De Vries investigated the disappearance and possible murder of a young American in Aruba.

The International Emmys were presented to the winners by Bruce L. Paisner, President & CEO of The International Academy of Television Arts & Sciences in New York City on September 22, 2008.

snip


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 01:13:31 PM
According to Private Eye ... his sister was privy to the screen shots that were released to the FBI ... Dave Holloway and ... the internet.  However ... the issue is the ROV FOOTAGE.

If Peter Devries was aware of the ROV FOOTAGE two week following his interview with Beth Holloway and ... did not inform Natalee's mother of what Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan were attempting to do with that ROV FOOTAGE ... I can only assume his reasoning would be that this ROV FOOTAGE would negate the Range Rover "confession" and ... negate his words implying that Joran gave a full confession and that the case has been solved.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH BETH TWITTY
Thursday 31 January 2008

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 01:15:59 PM
The Range Rover "confession" regarding the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body when compared to the "cage/trap" disposal do not equate.

Following Joran van der Sloots departure for home ... logic dictates that "Daury" did not break into the Fisherman's Hut ... carry a 300 lb to his boat ... place Natalee's body within ... locate a tarp to cover her body ... locate rocks to weight down the trap ... take her out to sea and ... then makes his way to Joran's home to discuss the situation.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 01:18:20 PM
BOTTOM LINE:

Considering he had knowledge since February, 2008 ... why has Peter Devries not been in the lead exposing what appears to be Natalee Holloway remains inside the trap/cage ... remains that were "discovered" by the Persistent endeavor?  Why did this investigative reporter not inform Beth Holloway?

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  ... DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 01:20:59 PM
THE PAYPHONE

RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT


Joran: … This friend was an older friend, we have been friends for a long time. I will never name his name, never, I'll take it with me in my grave. I called him, not on my cellphone, but I walked to the payphone. I said "Please, no police, come and help me."


On the Record w/ Greta – February 5, 2008

JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S ATTORNEY:  ,,, And moreover, the pay phone that's outside the Marriott that De Vries, this journalist, says he authenticated and went and checked out -- there's no a pay phone that you can make local calls on. We've spoken to the Aruban coast guard as recently as yesterday. It's been part of the initial investigation. It was submitted to this judge in determining the validity of this tape. This pay phone is an international call pay phone where you can only make outgoing calls. They have call logs of it, and the call logs do not support any calls made that night.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328565,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 01:22:47 PM
The only segment of the Range Rover recordings regarding Joran van der Sloot's "confession" that reflects the truth is the segment that Joran refers to Natalee's uncontrollable shaking.

In the initial stages of the investigation Natalee's mother and stepfather were questioned by Aruban LE regarding the issues of seizures.  The implication appears to be that during interrogations Joran shared with authorities circumstances encompassing the actual demise of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

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RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran: By the corner, by the Marriot, between the Marriott and the fisherman's hut. There is a road. I get out and walk with her on the beach. I begin to kiss her and such, but she does not look too good. Shit man, but she also looked good, but she wanted (it), she really wanted (it). So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did. Shaking, yes, very bad. So I was like, "Shit, what is this?" 

Patrick: What did you do then? 

Joran: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody. 

Patrick: Of course, no one is there, it's night time Joran. 

Joran: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her, she's not talking, 

Patrick: How long did she shake then? Do you know what it is? 

Joran: I don't know. 

Patrick: An epileptic episode, or something, man. She was shaking and foam also, from her mouth? 

Joran: No, no foam from her mouth. Not that I saw ...


Beth Holloway on Joran van der Sloot's 'Confession'
Thursday, February 07, 2008


BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER:  And you know, when you're hearing it, some of the things that I was hearing — of course, the first thing that struck me when Peter was telling me — and there were some camera crews around. And Peter began to disclose to me how Joran described Natalee's condition, the shaking. And I tell you, Greta, I mean, I had to ask everyone to leave the room. I wanted everyone out.

I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we can tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 01:25:06 PM
I contend that the Range Rover recording conforms to the Aruban coverup agenda perfectly.  It negates the trap/cage as well as ... the involvement of Paulus and the Kalpoe brothers.  The recording implies that Joran alone would take the fall while being assured that he will not be held accountable.

Janet

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PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


THE KALPOES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008


GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 01:40:07 PM
The fifth and final "car trip" to record Joran van der Sloot "confession"  was made on January 29, 2008 with the full knowledge of the Aruban "powers that be".

Kyle Kingman's own words state that Peter Devries was aware of the ROV footage in February, 2008.  Kyle shares that there were negotiations taking place in February, 2008.

Peter Devries was doing the talk show circuit in February, 2008.  At that time ... did Devries have have knowledge of the ROV FOOTAGE taken of the observation and recovery dive of the crab/trap?  At that time ... was Devries abetting the Aruban enemy in the finale to the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005? 

Think about it.  For almost two years this crime reporter has sat on the Persistence story involving ROV FOOTAGE ... ROV FOOTAGE he was attempting to possess.  This story is huge.  It has ability to expose the finale to the Aruban coverup which has prevented justice from prevailing.  However ... not a peep.  Apparently ... nothing was shared with Beth Holloway.

+++++++


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: What did -- let me back up then. What does Joran say about Natalee the night that she died?

DE VRIES: Well, what he is saying is that he was on the beach with her and that she suddenly did like this, and then he panicked. And he said, Well, she died at that moment. She wasn't ticking (ph) anymore. And then he found his friend, and he wanted to get rid of the body. And they brought her into a boat, and then she was disposed into the ocean.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 01:44:26 PM
Another reason that I contend that Range Rover "confession" was a hoax collaborated by Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem, Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban "powers that be" to distract from the trap/cage ... was derived from Kyle Kingman's own words.

Kyle may not have contacted Beth Holloway but ... Peter Devries was definitely in the know.

Think about it.  Considering he had knowledge ... why has Peter Devries not been in the lead exposing what appears to be Natalee Holloway remains inside the trap/cage ... remains that were "discovered" by the Persistent endeavor.

Instead ... a fifth "secret" recording was hastily put together in January, 2008 with the knowledge of the Aruban "powers that be".

Janet
________

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status.

Kyle Kingman:  I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics.  DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.  

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 01:50:38 PM
Could it be that John Silvetti got wind that the contents of the trap which he afforded unchallenged to the Aruban enemy was about to be exposed and ... damaged control was where it was at.  I do not have a clue about Tim Trahan but ... Kyle Kingman did benefit from John Silvetti through career opportunities that summer.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer.[/color] Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence ...

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 02:53:44 PM »


According to Jen in an email to Klaas ...

Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

Entire Email:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


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KYLE KINGMAN - CAREER OPPORTUNITIES?

SUMMER, 2008

The Travels and Ponderings of Kyle Kingman

Saturday, August 2, 2008
Through Skøyen Station - Norway, 12-July 2008

On the 7th of July 2008, I flew from Newark to Copenhagen, Denmark. After a 7 ½ hr flight from Newark, I was relieved to land in Denmark. I think the Copenhagen airport was actually a shopping mall disguised as an airport.

<snipped>

The North Sea is a cold, volatile beast. One moment it is tranquil and picturesque, while the next it is an explosive, churning, and bone-chilling frenzy brimming with white caps. Last night, a long low-profile work vessel was operating within a mile of our vessel.

The offshore project manager, John told me that recently 18 people drowned on that same boat when it sank.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/through-skyen-station-norway-12-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Saturday, August 2, 2008
- Ulsteinvik to Cairo- 24-July
2345 hrs, Thursday July 24th – Cairo, Egypt


It’s 0200 hrs local time. Walking off the plane… “At least it’s not as hot as UAE”, I think to myself. “Please God; let my driver be waiting for me”. I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I don’t know who the client is, what the job is, what I’m doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/ulsteinvik-to-cairo-24-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  Sorry for dissapearing for so long. I've been traveling quite a bit to a few places, then to Norway, and am now in Cairo for about 5 weeks. I'll be headed to Lafayette when I get done in Egypt and will be in close contact with John then. I'll provide an update when I'm able. I hope you're all well.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 04:00:15 PM

I contend that the Range Rover "confession" was a hoax collaborated by Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem, Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban "powers that be" in an attempt to implicate only Joran ...  a minor on May 30, 2005 ... in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  In other words ... pacify the family and ... keep the closing of the Natalee Holloway case simple.

I believe the collaboration took place on January 29, 2008 when the plans were made for a "fifth car trip".

My following of possible hopeful outcomes of the Aruban "powers that be" were created in that meeting on January 29, 2008 and ... Peter Devries was in the loop.  This is the reason not a peep has been heard from this investigative reporter in regards to the trap/cage.

In other words ... on that day at the end of January, 2008 .... I suspect that Peter Devries became a participant in the Aruban cover up.  I suspect that Peter Devries became a participant in John Silvetti/Tim Trahan betrayal two week prior to the negotiations that took place with Kyle Kingman for the ROV footage.

I can only assume that there was a worthwhile compensation.

IMO.

Janet
________

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status.

Kyle Kingman:  I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics.  DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

++++++

Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.  

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 04:03:13 PM
THE PROJECTED OUTCOMES OF THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING.

With out backup quotes ... the implications of the Range Rover "confession":

1.  The involvement of Paulus - a non issue.

2.  The involvement of the Kalpoes ... a non issue.

3.  The involvement of the sons of the elite ... a non issue.

4.  The observation of the gardener ... a non issue.

5.  The official interrogation statements of both witnesses and suspects ... a non issue.

6.  The suspicions that warranted detainment of the suspects ... a non issue.

7.  The coverup agenda which involved those from all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations as well as the judiciary ... a non issue.

8.  The contents of the trap/cage ... a non issue.

9.  The betrayal of John Silvetti and Tim Trahan ... a non issue.

10. ...

Then there is an implication that is beneficially huge.  The exoneration of the Kalpoes has most likely paved the road to a possible settlement in the defamation lawsuit brought agains Phil McGraw.  IMO.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 05:21:57 PM
While attempting to comprehend the Persistence story ... I have discovered that some who possess an Aruban agenda have successfully persuaded others who are held in high regard ... others who previously supported the contention that a coverup was preventing justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway ... to become participants for self-serving benefits.

Those successful pursuaders are now in a position to give credibility to their despicable actions ... their despicable words .... meant to further the Aruban coverup agenda.

Peter Devries is on my list of those who appears to have possibly been pursuaded to do a flip flopped.




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
When archives are considered ... in the Range Rover confession Joran lies about:

1.  Deepak and Satish's involvement
2.  Paulus' involvement
3.  Daury
4.  The payphone
5.  The manner of disposal.

When Jug and Beth's words regarding the questioning of Dennis Jacobs within hours of their arrive on the Island ... it appears that the only segment of the entire recording that has an element of truth is Natalee shaking.

Janet

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RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran: By the corner, by the Marriot, between the Marriott and the fisherman's hut. There is a road. I get out and walk with her on the beach. I begin to kiss her and such, but she does not look too good. Shit man, but she also looked good, but she wanted (it), she really wanted (it). So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did. Shaking, yes, very bad. So I was like, "Shit, what is this?" 

Patrick: What did you do then? 

Joran: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody. 

Patrick: Of course, no one is there, it's night time Joran. 

Joran: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her, she's not talking, 

Patrick: How long did she shake then? Do you know what it is? 

Joran: I don't know. 

Patrick: An epileptic episode, or something, man. She was shaking and foam also, from her mouth? 

Joran: No, no foam from her mouth. Not that I saw ...


Beth Holloway on Joran van der Sloot's 'Confession'
Thursday, February 07, 2008


BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER:  And you know, when you're hearing it, some of the things that I was hearing — of course, the first thing that struck me when Peter was telling me — and there were some camera crews around. And Peter began to disclose to me how Joran described Natalee's condition, the shaking. And I tell you, Greta, I mean, I had to ask everyone to leave the room. I wanted everyone out.

I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we can tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 08:39:15 PM
Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio

February 13th, 2008

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/

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What evidence?
_____


Dana:  Now with as you know being involved in crime reporting for so long and my audience and myself not only as a talk show host but also as a law enforcement officer, we know that confessions aren’t always word for word the truth, and we hear this term or this name Daury come up.  As far as who this person is and what they’ve been a lot of speculation.  What can you tell us?  And a lot of people are saying that Daury is actually Paulus Vandersloot.

Peter:  Well, I don’t know that but what I can say is that I have the impression that Joran Vandersloot is protecting somebody else by mentioning the name of Daury.  During the first drive he told Patrick, our infiltrant  I never gonna mention the name of the guy who helped me, I will take that into my grave.  And the next day when we instructed the infiltrant to push a little bit on that name he was asking why don’t you tell me you can trust me and etc.  then he mentioned the name Daury.  But at that moment already we had the impression that he was protecting somebody else and just mentioned a name.  So who the helper really is, well that’s speculating.

<snipped>

Peter:  Well we continue our investigation.  At this moment we consider the case as solved in the way that Joran did confession on tape not once, not twice, but more than ten times on several days and together with the evidence which was already lying there I think you can say the case is solved but now it’s up to the Justice system to get him into jail.

Transcript Credit: Texasmom


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 08:45:14 PM
I do not believe there is one person on this forum who believes Joran's words on the Range Rover recording which imply that the Kalpoes just dropped him and Natalee off at the beach and went home and ... Joran's words that state his father also had no involvement in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

When Devries gives both Paulus and the Kalpoes a pass and ... claims the Range Rover recording is a full confession and ... he has solved the case ... I draw the line on this investigative reporter's credibilty.

This forum has never given a pass to those who implied that Paulus and the Kalpoes were not involved in the events encompassing the happenings on the morning of May 30, 2005.  Why is Peter Devries given a pass?

Janet

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THE KALPOES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008


GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 08:46:52 PM
According to Devries ... the implication of the gardener's observation is a non issue.

Janet

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THE GARDENER

Carlos Ramos - Gardener
Court Hearing
August 15, 2005


I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way when I drove along there. I cannot remember on which day I saw the photograph of the persons in the newspaper. The photograph, which the police force showed me, is the same photograph as the photograph that appeared in the Diario. You ask me how can I know or recognize the persons from the photograph in the newspaper or that I had seen that night. The first time then I saw the photograph in the Diario I had been astonished and I said that to colleagues. You represent me that I have explained that I have recognized the persons from their construction and mail hour. You ask me if I could see from my position in the car. My position was a bit is higher, in the turning I had drive concerning a sand hill as a result of which my position was a bit slanted. As a result, I could look at in the car. I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares. You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg41646;topicseen#msg41646


Nancy Grace - July 26, 2005

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


CNN Larry King Live - February 23,2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 08:48:22 PM
If Peter Devries believes Joran vander Sloot's claims in regards to the Kalpoes non-involvement ... I can only assume that he considers Steve Cohen's words ... regarding the suspects' off the record words  ... a non-issue.

Janet

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ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case  and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) ... Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance.  "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …


ARUBA TRUTH - January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 08:50:18 PM
Peter Devries states on his website and on the talk show circuit that he has received a full confession from Joran van der Sloot whose words  exonerates the Kalpoes.  Devries claims he has solved the case and the Kalpoes are innocent.

The exoneration of the Kalpoes in the Range Rover recording is huge.  Think about it.  If implicated ... Deepak and Satish would not go to the slaughter house like sheep.  These two have the ability to expose the truth ... the truth which would expose the participation of Joran, Paulus and the sons of the elite.

Janet

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PAULUS VANDER SLOOT

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway

Page 151
:  A few days later Paulus is arrested and questioned by Aruban police after they say he changed his story about what time he picked up Joran on the night Natalee disappeared.  First Paulus states that he picked “them” up at McDonald’s at four in the morning on May 30.  We do not know who he means by “them.”  Later he changes his story completely, saying he picked Joran up at eleven at night on May 29 at McDonald’s.  By making this change, his story now coincides with the one Joran gave police on June 9.  But according to Aruban police officials it also makes Paulus another lying witness.


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) ... Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance.  "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …


THE SONS OF THE ELITE

'Scarborough Country' - August 29, 2005


LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:   Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 09:24:07 PM
Peter

Did you did not listen to the Range Rover tape or ... did you not read the transcript.  The disposal of a body is not the issue.  Joran concedes he cannot be sure that Natalee Holloway was dead when she was taken out to sea and dumped.  Why are you not saying it how it is?  Could it be that the plan went awry and ... Joran did implicate himself in serious wrongdoing?

Janet

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02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?


Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Patrick: How did you know she was dead?

Joran: She didn't move anymore.

Patrick: And Daury, did he check?

Joran: Yeah, he stood over her and looked at her.

Patrick: That's it? What if she was in coma?"

Joran: Uh...I don't know. I didn't know [if she was dead], she could have been in a coma, I didn't feel her, but it didn't look good. I didn't know fuckin sure she was dead. Daury looked at her and said she was dead. He just looked at her and said, she's dead. Could've been a coma"




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 10:12:33 PM
The archives reveal that Joran lied about everything EXCEPT the segment regarding Natalee having an apparent seizure.

Please note.  It appears Joran is not too consistent regarding disposal of Natalee.  Apparently ... in one of the drives Joran claims he assisted in dumping Natalee Holloway overboard.  Where does the trap/cage fit into the Range Rover confession.  It appears to be a non-issue.

How could Peter Devries claim that his work resulted in a full confession and ... he has solved the case?

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008



Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #718 2/01 -
« Reply #375 on: February 02, 2008, 01:41:46 AM »


Question: The news said tonight that it's about the news that after you made out with Natalee that you , that she got sick, and became lifeless, and that you called a friend and he came with a boat and that you went on the boat with her and that you threw her in the water , you glide her in the water.  

Joran: Yes, that's what I said.

Question: Is that not very dumb of you to say that?

Joran: Yes it is very dumb, but what I'm trying to say is that I have build up a relationship with someone for 6 months, and yes, that person, it's very difficult to explain, but that person did very brave (?), and I told him what he wanted to hear.
Question: How did you know what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Well I had my suspicion a little bit, because he talked to other friends of mine, I did not have a super good feeling towards him,

Question: but then, Joran it is unbelievable dumb to just say this, if it's not true.

Joran: It's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's really dumb.

Translation - Marco@RU

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2561.msg336476;topicseen#msg336476


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2009, 10:14:38 PM
Janet,

I simply don't believe Natalee was disposed of that first night. I don't care if Joran claims that is what happened or not. Like you said, Joran told different stories to even Patrick. Yes, Natalee may have indeed had "seizures" that joran witnessed -- that DOESN'T mean those seizures happened on the beach or in the circumstances he told Patrick.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2009, 04:35:47 PM
The following quote implies to me that Louis Shaeffer was in the dark regarding the implication of the ROV footing up until the time that Kyle and Tim T. made the decision to benefit through the Networks.  It appears that bringing Shaeffer in on it all was the result of a technicality in regards to rights to the ROV footage.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
   She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.
 
The next step:

I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status. I would like a couple people very familiar with the case documents also present to help connect dots during the meeting. I would prefer meeting towards the end of April or mid-May to allow adequate time for things to shake themselves out if is going to. If necessary, I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level. We met in mid-Feb about this already. The question becomes timing, who needs to be there, and whether or not it's covered by the press. I prefer not, but it may be useful. DeVries doesn't need to be there in my opinion but he's good for ratings and helps ABC be cooperative if needed.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2009, 04:40:47 PM
Nobody should underestimate Beth Holloway's insight.  Beth's initial reaction to the preview of the Range Rover confession recording was the same as my reaction when I watched the Special.  It was not until sometime later that I realized that all was not how it first appeared.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH BETH TWITTY
Thursday 31 January 2008


Peter R. DeVries: “This is a full confession.”

Beth Twitty: “You got every bit of it. That son of a bitch. Oh God.”

Peter R. DeVries:“No regrets at all.”

Beth Twitty: “No, he don’t even know if she’s dead or not. No.”

Peter R. DeVries:“He only seems to care for himself.”

Beth Twitty: “Oh my Gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:“And he wants to profit from it.”

Beth Twitty: “Oh my gosh, he has just…”

Peter R. DeVries:“Now he can abuse it.”

Beth Twitty: “Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:“Unbelievable isn’t it.”

Beth Twitty: “Yeah. God. It’s all true. Oh my gosh. From everything. From the Holiday inn. How he got home…”

Peter R. DeVries:“He lied, everything was a lie.”

Beth Twitty: “What he did with the shoes and… Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries: “It’s a full confession.”

Beth Twitty: “He doesn’t even care, he doesn’t even care that, oh they didn’t even know if she was dead. Oh my gosh. They didn’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:“Did you notice how he talked about her?”

Beth Twitty: “Yeah, the don’t even know. Oh my god they could have dumped her alive in the ocean, just unconscious. I mean they don’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:“Maybe in coma, or…”

Beth Twitty: “They don’t even know. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh dear God, he didn’t even know. He is just gonna take a life. He is just gonna take a life. Just take a life, with no remorse, no worry, not even a sleepless night. I hope his hell is about to unfold. God. You know. Peter, I always thought that Joran’s life was already a living hell, but it’s about to begin! Now it’s about to begin. It’s about to begin. God. He is awfull, he is awfull. He doesn’t deserve to exist on this world, he doesn’t deserve it. He is awfull. I hope his living hell is about to begin and I hope he never gets a night sleep. He hope he never gets another moment of peace, I hope his whole entire peace is about to be disturbed beyond his belief. What he has done… Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee, look what they have done to our country, look what they have done to…”

Peter R. DeVries:“To you.”

Beth Twitty: “Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee. That son of a bitch.”

Peter R. DeVries:“He is saying: ‘It was not my fault. I couldn’t help it.’ But how would you describe what happened there? Do you believe that?”

Beth Twitty: “He didn’t care, he didn’t care, he didn’t care. What I wanna know is: he is just right there with here and dear god they just dispose of her body, I mean in the ocean.”

Peter R. DeVries:“He went home and went to sleep.”

Beth Twitty: “And was planning all the things he was going to do to cover himself. That’s why he got on the internet so quickly. Just what you said when he called this friend of his, Daury, he said, he know somebody to call when he got in a situation like this. What path is he on, how many women could he do this to and how many women did he potentially in his presence that could have died. Oh my god.”

Peter R. DeVries:“But it is a full confession Beth. He can’t get away with this.”

Beth Twitty: “This has to be it! This has to be it! I guess enough is enough. Enough is enough. When I think back on it. When I first got on the island, I couldn’t look on the water, I could not look out on the ocean. And I didn’t know why. But I couldn’t look at the water. I know now: it was all real you know I had this gut feeling that she was… Something seemed so evil about the water, something seemed so evil, so bad and I din’t know why, but I know why now.”

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2009, 04:45:20 PM
If the following quote is taken into consideration ... logic dictates that Beth Holloway must have her doubts regarding the Range Rover confession recording in regards to Joran implying that Natalee's demise took place on the beach.

Janet

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CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00   ET


TED ROWLANDS, GUEST HOST: Tonight, Natalee Holloway's parents speak out. Now that the chief suspect in her disappearance, Joran Van Der Sloot, has talked, nearly nine months after their beautiful daughter vanished in Aruba, Natalee's mom, Beth Holloway Twitty, and her dad, Dave Holloway, talk about trying to keep hope alive. ....

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: I think that was one of his excuses of why they stopped at his apartment. His apartment, by the way, is detached away from the main residence. And, you know, if you've got an individual that you're going to take advantage of, it's not likely that you're going to go to the beach. You're going to go to your apartment. And we believe that's where they stopped, and that's where the incident occurred.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

Credit: Kermit[/b]


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2009, 04:47:29 PM
Beth trusts Peter deVries.


Are you sure?

Hi Kermit.

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Janet

100%



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2009, 04:49:27 PM
I was a believer in the Range Rover confession for a short time following the Special but ... then I began to dissect Joran's claims one at a time and ... came to the conclusion when compared with the archives that ALL his words ...  other than the shaking ... were nothing but lies ... lies that conformed perfectly with the furthering the Aruban cover up agenda of deception.

As Wreck point out ... the location of the "shaking" could also be another lie.

Janet

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Janet,

I simply don't believe Natalee was disposed of that first night. I don't care if Joran claims that is what happened or not. Like you said, Joran told different stories to even Patrick. Yes, Natalee may have indeed had "seizures" that joran witnessed -- that DOESN'T mean those seizures happened on the beach or in the circumstances he told Patrick.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2009, 05:01:33 PM
Other than Joran's "confession" on the Range Rover recording ... Joran's "confession" that he witnessed Natalee shaking ... archives imply the rest of his words were all lies and ... those lies had the ability to"

1.  exonerate the Kalpoes.
2.  exonerate Paulus.
3.  exonerate the sons of the elite.
4.  negate the corrupt investigation.
5.  negate the witness and suspect statements.
6.  negate the suspicions that dictated the detainment of all suspects.
7.  pacify the family of Natalee Holloway.
8.  close the Natalee Holloway case.
9.  negate the contents of the trap/cage.
10.  negate Joran's actual extent of wrongdoing.

The outcomes of the Range Rover "confession" recording fit perfectly into the Aruban coverup agenda.  This is why I believe that the "fifth car trip" secret meeting in January between Peter Devries and the Aruban "powers that be" was a collaboration intended to bring closure the the Natalee Holloway case with Joran vander Sloot taking the fall for disposal of a body which would warrant a slap on the wrist if anything ... while giving the family of Natalee a measure of closure..

Think about it.  The Aruban "powers the be" were in the know regarding the trap/cage.  Aruban divers had recovered the contents on January 1, 2008.

Janet

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Janet,

I simply don't believe Natalee was disposed of that first night. I don't care if Joran claims that is what happened or not. Like you said, Joran told different stories to even Patrick. Yes, Natalee may have indeed had "seizures" that joran witnessed -- that DOESN'T mean those seizures happened on the beach or in the circumstances he told Patrick.


Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2009, 05:07:15 PM
The following quote tells me that in June, 2008 ... Kyle Kingman, Tim Trahan and Louis Schaefer were attempting to expose ... without the knowledge of John Silvetti ... the ROV footage as proof that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been in that trap.

Obviously ... at this point ... Louis Schaefer haS not yet sold the rights to the ROV footage.

Considering Beth Holloway was never contacted ... I believe that potential lawsuits against Louis Schaefer ... the owner of the boat ... were behind a decision not to proceed with revealing the images within the ROV footage.

Think about it.  Those ... private and corporate ... who donated to the Persistence endeavor ... donated with the understanding that the only objective was to locate Natalee Holloway's remains in the name of justice for Natalee and closure for the family ... would not remain quiet if the encompassing self-beneficial dynamics were realized.

1.  John Silvetti's conflict of interest - business opportunities in the region.
2.  Louis Schaefer's mapping of oil (?).

Janet

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ROV FOOTAGE - THE BIG CARD!

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - June 10/08:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.

Kyle Kingman - June 16/08:  On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John  (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.msg679597;topicseen#

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


JOHN SILVETTI - CONFLICTS OF INTEREST

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2009, 07:11:47 PM
I contend there is not one person on this forum who believes Joran's words on the Range Rover recording which imply that the Kalpoes just dropped him and Natalee off at the beach and went home ... no other involvement.  However ... Peter Devries is a believer.

When Devries gives the Kalpoes a pass and ... claims the Range Rover recording is a full confession and ... he has solved the case ... I draw the line on this investigative reporter's credibilty.

The exonerating of Deepak and Satish implies that the truth regarding the involvement of Joran, Paulus and the sons of the elite will never be revealed.  If these two were implicated ... they would talk.

This forum has never given a pass to those who implied Kalpoes were not involved in the events encompassing the happenings on the morning of May 30, 2005.  They would be consider trolls with an Aruban agenda.

Why is Peter Devries given a pass?

Janet

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THE KALPOES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008


GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2009, 07:32:43 PM
If the Range Rover confession was a collaboration between Peter Devries and the Aruban "powers that be" in regards to the "fifth car trip" ... I contend that one of the projected outcomes would have been to distance the January 1, 2008 recovery of the contents of the trap/cage by the Aruban divers.  In other words ... Peter Devries has become part of the cover up.

Another projected outcome would be to distance Paulus and the Kalpoes from direct implication in the events that encompass the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

All three of above projected outcomes were accomplished.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2009, 07:33:47 PM
While attempting to comprehend the Persistence story ... I have discovered that some who possess an Aruban agenda have successfully persuaded others who are held in high regard ... others who previously supported the contention that a coverup was preventing justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway ... to become participants for self-serving benefits.

Those successful pursuaders are now in a position to give credibility to their despicable actions ... their despicable words .... meant to further the Aruban coverup agenda.

Peter Devries is on my list of those who appears to have possibly been pursuaded to do a flip flopped.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2009, 08:19:39 PM

After Spencer Bachus the meeting with the Aruban delegation which  included Adoph Richardson ... he flip flopped.  Spencer emerged from the meeting upholding the corrupt Aruban investigation which had prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo.

It is apparent that many tend to flip flop from their original position once a connection is established with the Aruban "powers that be" within the Natalee Holloway case.

However ... some who flip flop are given a pass.  However ... Spencer Bacus was not.  Speculation regarding his motives was where it was at.
 
Janet

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PRIOR TO THE MEETING WITH THOSE WITH AN ARUBAN AGENDA

Birmingham News -  June 5, 2005


U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.
 
"The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off


FOLLOWING THE MEETING WITH THOSE WITH AN ARUBAN AGENDA

CBS News - December 16, 2005


(AP) Rep. Spencer Bachus said he came away from a Friday meeting with Aruban officials with the sense that they plan to vigorously pursue leads in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway.

Bachus, R-Ala., whose district includes Mountain Brook, where Holloway is from, divulged little about the substance of the meeting, saying only it was a "frank and open discussion" and that Aruban authorities have devoted "tremendous resources" to the case.

"Their intention going forward ... is not to shut this case down, but to continue to pursue it vigorously," Bachus told reporters. "They do not consider it a closed case nor do they consider that they have a dead end. They continue to develop information and pursue leads."

Bachus and Alabama officials would not comment on exactly what Richardson, Aruban police analyst Renato Emerencia and Aruban attorney Arlene Ellis Schipper told them about

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/16/politics/main1134653.shtml


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2009, 08:50:45 PM
What happen to the playing the "Big Card".  Could it be that it was at this point that John Silvetti got wind that the contents of the trap which he afforded unchallenged to the Aruban enemy was about to be exposed and ... damaged control was where it was at.  I do not have a clue about Tim Trahan but ... Kyle Kingman did benefit from John Silvetti through career opportunities that summer.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer.[/color] Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence ...

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 02:53:44 PM »


According to Jen in an email to Klaas ...

Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

Entire Email:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


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KYLE KINGMAN - CAREER OPPORTUNITIES?

SUMMER, 2008

The Travels and Ponderings of Kyle Kingman


Saturday, August 2, 2008
Through Skøyen Station - Norway, 12-July 2008


On the 7th of July 2008, I flew from Newark to Copenhagen, Denmark. After a 7 ½ hr flight from Newark, I was relieved to land in Denmark. I think the Copenhagen airport was actually a shopping mall disguised as an airport.

<snipped>

The North Sea is a cold, volatile beast. One moment it is tranquil and picturesque, while the next it is an explosive, churning, and bone-chilling frenzy brimming with white caps. Last night, a long low-profile work vessel was operating within a mile of our vessel.

The offshore project manager, John told me that recently 18 people drowned on that same boat when it sank.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/through-skyen-station-norway-12-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Saturday, August 2, 2008
- Ulsteinvik to Cairo- 24-July
2345 hrs, Thursday July 24th – Cairo, Egypt


It’s 0200 hrs local time. Walking off the plane… “At least it’s not as hot as UAE”, I think to myself. “Please God; let my driver be waiting for me”. I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I don’t know who the client is, what the job is, what I’m doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/ulsteinvik-to-cairo-24-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  Sorry for dissapearing for so long. I've been traveling quite a bit to a few places, then to Norway, and am now in Cairo for about 5 weeks. I'll be headed to Lafayette when I get done in Egypt and will be in close contact with John then. I'll provide an update when I'm able. I hope you're all well.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2009, 09:09:37 PM
THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS

Logic dictates that collaborating with enemy is only going to further the Aruban agenda that is preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  Considering his chosen profession of investigative reporter ... I will give Peter Devries the benefit of the doubt that he comprehends.

Janet

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On the Record w/ Greta - February 8, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:: Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner, Dolph Richardson. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me, Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


On the Record w/ Treta - April 5, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Why would Dompig want off this case? He has just gone on CBS 48 hours and said he was at a critical stage in this investigation. That is what they told 48 hours and he also said he believes it is alcohol and drugs. Making a rather profound announcement and then on Monday says he wants off.

JULIA RENFRO, EDITOR, ARUBA TODAY: Well, he actually said this last September. He was only suppose to be on the case for about six weeks. He was actually manhandling two positions by doing both the Noord district as well as the Oranjestad district. So, you know, this was a hefty handful here and Richardson who has been on the case since day one under Van der Straaten has continued on in Van der Straaten’s position. So it is really not as comical as people are making it out to be.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2009, 06:00:43 PM
My position from the getgo was that the Range Rover recording was staged and ... that position has not wavered.  It appears that San and I were on the same page as of August of this year.

Janet

++++++++
 

FEBRUARY, 2008

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I knew it!!  Hans Mos was aware of the Peter Devries video recording ... the last segment!

I am skeptical that Joran van der Sloot was forewarned by Hans Mos that Patrick van der Eem would betray him and ... an Aruban plan emerges ... an Aruban plan which implicates Joran as being the ONLY person who was with Natalee when she appeared to die from an overdose but ... distances Joran from the crime of murder.  An Aruban plan that disrgards the gardener's observation.  An Aruban plan which will provide Natalee's family with a measure of closure and ... will be instrumental in making them back off which will have the ability to make the Natalee Holloway case become a faded memory.

Think about it.  Joran distances his father.  The Kalpoes are distanced ... they have the ability to implicate Paulus.  Those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach are distanced ... they have the ability to distance Paulus.

At this point it is all about protecting Paulus ... he has the most to lose.  Joran was a minor when Natalee Holloway went missing ... he would would receive a slap on the wrist from the Aruban Justice Systen or ... the video recording will be dismissed as evidence.  Nevertheless ... Joran will be the sacrifice.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to name his assistance in the last taping ... the prior taping he had refused to devulge this name.  Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to claim that he made a call from the public phone ... the international phone.  These were lies that could be easily verified.

However ... I believe that Joran messed up when he concedes that he does not know whether Natalee was deceased when he arranged to have her dumped at sea.  I also believe that Joran messed up when he revealed that his father provided him with a cell phone when he was in prision.  I do not think that these are lies.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the November, 2007 detentions were a ruse ... an opportunity for getting stories straight in regards to the impending video recording.  The last segment of that video was recorded following Joran release from prison.

Maybe ... just maybe ... Tamikosmom has an overactive imagination.
________

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24 -
« Reply #318 on: February 26, 2008, 08:23:57 AM »


I AGREE WITH YOUR ENTIRE POST.

You don't have an overactive imagination because this is exactly what I thought happened.  I have said that Joran knew he was being taped.  Tamikosmom I think you hit the nail right on the head.  I said this before this was a setup for them to try one last time to say Natalee died of a drug OD without getting anyone in trouble.

As soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession I knew this was a setup.  The Kalpoes and Paulus are the main suspects along with Joran.  They cannot get away from that premeditated charge against Paulus know matter how hard Joran tries.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355674;topicseen#msg355674

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AUGUST, 2009

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I believe that the secret vehicle tapes were all a hoax collaborated with the "powers that be" in Aruba to distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... focus attention on "only" Joran and an "unknown" accomplist.  Keep it simple!

Think about it. Joran was a minor at the time Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the legal consequences for disposal of a body would be a slap on the wrist.
________

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 -
« Reply #1753 on: August 09, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »


I have said this from the beginning.

It was keep it simple but there were many involved in this hoax.  Just like the wine throwing incident.  That was all intertwined.  JMO.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5676.msg905691;topicseen#msg905691


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2009, 06:32:01 PM
If the Kalpoe brothers are "innocent" as Peter Devries claims ... on the morning of May 30, 2005 ...Deepak would not have dropped Joran and Natalee off at the beach ... gone home and ... got on an online chat ... in an attempt to mess up an investigation that comehow he foreseen was going to be underway.

It is obvious that on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... Deepak Kalpoe was aware that "something bad" had happened to Natalee Holloway.

Janet

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ACCORDING TO DEEPAK KALPOE

DEEPAK 6/11/2005 STATEMENT and ADDENDUM

When we got home Satish immediately went to bed. I had switched on the television. I had also turned on the computer in my room. I went and chatted with a friend of mine on “MSN”. His name is John Chartes Croes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=170.0


DEEPAK 6/29/2005 STATEMENT

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=192.0


PETER DEVRIES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2009, 07:08:25 PM
The following thread is transcript segments pertaining to all five of the Patrick vander Eem recordings of Joran's confession.

Janet

+++++++
 
Overboard by Patrick van der Eem

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2981.0
 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2009, 09:38:05 PM
1.  Why did Patrick van der Eem not question Joran's changing stories in regards to the shoes?

 January 13, 2008 or January 15, 2008 Recording

Transcript:

P. The only thing I believe is that there is something with these shoes that you don't want people to see.

J. No, of course not. I still have these shoes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2981.0


January 29, 2008 Recording

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and hid his shoes in a storm drain.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Transcript:

Joran:  These shoes I have thrown them away, I have thrown them away myself. On the way to there... on the way to home.

Patrick: You just took them off.
 
Joran: No, on the way to there, you have these puts (drains or manholes).
 
Patrick: Riolering (storm drains) or something.
 
Joran: Yes


2.  Why did Patrick van der Eem not question Joran's changing stories regarding the boat and the involvment of a third person?

January 13, 2008 Recording

Joran says that the friend who helped him wanted to go to the police. Joran didn’t want that. Then the friend called a third person and after that told Joran to go home and that everything would be arranged. Joran says that he though the friend called for a boat.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2981.0


January 29, 2008 Recording

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Transcript:

Joran:  His boat was standing there by the pier, and I knew that also, you know, and he told me, then help me for a while, so we have taken to the boat .
 
Patrick:  Lifted her up.
 
Joran: Yes, the two of us just quickly.
 
Patrick:   And nobody saw you then either?
 
Joran:  Nobody.
 
Patrick:  Yes, but it is near the Marriott, these boats there?
 
Joran: Yes, but there is nobody, Nobody pays attention, you are walking there in the dark.  Even if you walk there with someone they think you are playing.
 
Patrick:  Probably think someone is drunk.
 
Joran:  They do not pay attention at all.


3.  Why did Peter Devries indicate to Greta that all the recordings of Joran's confession were consistence?

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?

DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn't broadcast is more of the same, you could say.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2009, 10:44:41 PM
I do believe that Peter Devries should have listened to all the tape recordings of Joran's "confession" prior to going on the talk show circuit.  Joran was not consistent in his words regarding the disposal of Natalee's body and the issue encompassing the shoes

See above post.

Janet

++++++++

 
NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


DE VRIES: ... He told -- he did a full confession on tape, not once, not twice but more than ten times. And he did -- there were some days between it. And they were very detailed, and so I`m convince that he told the truth.

Until now, Joran always denied that Natalee died in his presence, and now he confessed that. And he told what he did with the body, and he told how he came home, what he did with his shoes. It`s the complete story.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2009, 04:10:25 PM

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

Other than a confirmation placing Joran van der Sloot in the presence of Natalee Holloway when she expired by an apparent seizure ... I contend the Range Rover recordings were nothing but fabrications ... fabrications that all the archives attest to.

Keepthefaith ... you ask what the Range Rover tapes accomplished.  In my opinion these tapes accomplished a lot to further the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for an eighteen year old American citizen.

Joran's "full confession" effectively:

1.  negated the involvement of the Kalpoes.
2.  negated the involvement of Paulus.
3.  negated the involvement of those who assisted Paulus.
4.  negated the involvement of the sons of the elite.
5.  negated the corrupt investigation.
6.  negated the gardner's court testimony.
7.  negated the witness and suspect statements.
8.  negated the suspicions that dictated the detainment of all suspects.
9.  pacified the family of Natalee Holloway.
10. negated the contents of the trap/cage.
11. negated Joran's involvement regarding wrongdoing encompassing Natalee's demise.
12. furthered the possibility of a successful outcome to the Kalpoe's defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2009, 05:25:03 PM
THE PERSISTENCE - RANGE ROVER CONNECTION?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle said: "10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes I met Mos downtown in public"

During this time, I was eagerly waiting for results from the Jan-7th trap samples. I expected him to know something by then. When we met, he asked me how I was doing and he said that he was suprised that I was still in Aruba. After some small talk back and forth, he asked when I was leaving. I flipped the question around on him, asking, "Hans, you tell me. When am I going home?" With that, he hesitated. It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again?" He looked around for anyone watching or listening, leaned forward and said into my ear: "ten days". He then turned and walked away without saying another word.

I had no idea what 10 days meant at the time, but it meant something big was going to happen. I had assumed it related to the trap and it's contents, but couldn't prove anything. Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes. I was really confused and didn't know what to feel. I honestly was a little dissapointed that the 10 days was about the confession tapes.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2009, 06:18:47 PM
Could it be that the Kalpoes held the ACE card and damage control was were it was at?

Could it be that the Kalpoes threatened Hans Mos when they were detained in November/December, 2007 if they were implicated in any way in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005?  They would then reveal the whole truth encompassing ...

1.  the extend of Joran's involvement in the demise of Natalee Holloway.

2.  the extent of the sons of the elite involvement in the demise of Natalee Holloway.

3.  the extend of Paulus' involvement in the following cover up.

4.  the extend of the involvement of those who assisted in the following cover up.

Damage control was where it was at.

Could it be that Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were released from detention and ... the Range Rover confession was collaborated?

Could it be that it was determined by the Aruban "powers that be" that the Range Rover confession would negate the suspicions of the Kalpoes and ... implicate only Joran in a felony of disposing of a body.  Joran is assured that there will be no legal accountability for his participation.

Could it be that it was determined that the manner of disposal revealed in the Range Rover confession of Joran van der Sloot would also negate the trap/cage as being case related.

Janet

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ABC NEWS - November 26, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

ttp://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


On the Record with Greta - November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2009, 06:50:42 PM
I contend that Kyle Kingman's own words clearly reveals three of the distractions that were established to take the focus off the trap/cage which was located by the Persistence following the visit from the dectective who was in the know.

1.  The false lead of January 1, 2008.
2.  The Range Rover confession tapes of January, 2008.
3.  The Pond search of January, 2008.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2009, 06:52:23 PM
The suspicions that warranted the detainment in November, 2007 of Joran, Deepak and Satish were more serious than the disposal of a body.  However ... the judiciary determined that those suspicions were not sufficient to warrant charges.

Janet

+++++++++

On the Record with Greta - November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


Brothers suspected in Aruba case remain free
updated 5:17 p.m. EST, Wed December 5, 2007


(CNN) -- A ruling by a panel of Aruban judges on Wednesday could mean trouble for the prosecution in the case of an American teenager's disappearance in Aruba.

The judges ruled that two brothers who have repeatedly been arrested in the case should remain free -- turning down the prosecutor's request to reverse a judge's decision last week that freed the men.

The three-judge panel said the case against Deepak Kalpoe, 24, and his brother Satish, 21, fails to show whether Natalee Holloway died as the result of a crime.

The decision not only means the brothers will remain free pending a possible trial -- it also may lead to the release of a third suspect in the case and could throw the prosecution's case against the three into doubt.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/05/aruba.holloway/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2009, 07:54:35 PM
COLLABORATING WITH THE ARUBAN ENEMY

According to the following article ... there was a collaboration between Peter Devries and the Aruban "powers that be" in the making of the fifth and final recording of January 29, 2008 ... the fifth and final recording that contradicts Joran's words in transcripts of previous recordings ... transcripts of previous recordings revealed in Patrick vander Eem's book OVERBOARD.

Considering his profession as crime investigative reporter and his knowledge of the case ... I give Peter Devries the benefit of the doubt that he was not duped into collaborating with the Aruban enemy ... the Aruban enemy who had prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005.

It is beyond comprehension that Devries was naively under the impression that the cover up agenda by those within the investigation had been abandoned and ... justice for Natalee Holloway was where it was at.

Janet

++++++++

Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.  

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.  

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2009, 08:30:01 PM
The suspicions that warranted the detainment in November, 2007 of Joran, Deepak and Satish were more serious than the disposal of a body.  However ... the judiciary determined that those suspicions were not sufficient to warrant charges.

Janet

+++++++++

On the Record with Greta - November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


Brothers suspected in Aruba case remain free
updated 5:17 p.m. EST, Wed December 5, 2007


(CNN) -- A ruling by a panel of Aruban judges on Wednesday could mean trouble for the prosecution in the case of an American teenager's disappearance in Aruba.

The judges ruled that two brothers who have repeatedly been arrested in the case should remain free -- turning down the prosecutor's request to reverse a judge's decision last week that freed the men.

The three-judge panel said the case against Deepak Kalpoe, 24, and his brother Satish, 21, fails to show whether Natalee Holloway died as the result of a crime.

The decision not only means the brothers will remain free pending a possible trial -- it also may lead to the release of a third suspect in the case and could throw the prosecution's case against the three into doubt.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/05/aruba.holloway/


Three Young Men Re-Arrested in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Thursday, November 22, 2007


Dutch student Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway, the prosecutor's office said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312488,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2009, 08:35:55 PM
DAVE HOLLOWAY:  JORAN'S APARTMENT ... NOT THE BEACH.

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00   ET


TED ROWLANDS, GUEST HOST: Tonight, Natalee Holloway's parents speak out. Now that the chief suspect in her disappearance, Joran Van Der Sloot, has talked, nearly nine months after their beautiful daughter vanished in Aruba, Natalee's mom, Beth Holloway Twitty, and her dad, Dave Holloway, talk about trying to keep hope alive. ....

DAVE HOLLOWAY, FATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that was one of his excuses of why they stopped at his apartment. His apartment, by the way, is detached away from the main residence. And, you know, if you've got an individual that you're going to take advantage of, it's not likely that you're going to go to the beach. You're going to go to your apartment. And we believe that's where they stopped, and that's where the incident occurred.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2009, 08:39:59 PM
Did Peter Devries sincerely believe that Dolphi Richards would be pleased with the Range Rover recording if it did not conform to the Aruban cover up agenda.  This guy was controlling the corrupt investigation from behind the scenes since the getgo.

When I read the following words of Devries ... I felt that something was hinky.

Janet

+++++++

On the Record w/ Greta - February 8, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:: Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner, Dolph Richardson. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me, Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


On the Record w/ Greta - April 5, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Why would Dompig want off this case? He has just gone on CBS 48 hours and said he was at a critical stage in this investigation. That is what they told 48 hours and he also said he believes it is alcohol and drugs. Making a rather profound announcement and then on Monday says he wants off.

JULIA RENFRO, EDITOR, ARUBA TODAY: Well, he actually said this last September. He was only suppose to be on the case for about six weeks. He was actually manhandling two positions by doing both the Noord district as well as the Oranjestad district. So, you know, this was a hefty handful here and Richardson who has been on the case since day one under Van der Straaten has continued on in Van der Straaten’s position. So it is really not as comical as people are making it out to be.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2009, 09:22:04 PM
When Paulus van der Sloot was not detained along with Joran, Deepak and Satish in November, 2007 ... I felt that there was something hinky.

It appears that Deepak and Satish stood their ground.  If they were going to take the fall along with Joran ... then so would Paulus.

Was it at this point the the Aruban "powers that be" realized that the Kalpoes had to be distanced from involvement in the death and disposal of Natalee Holloway or ... the brothers would implicate Paulus van der Sloot in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005?

How did the ten lawyers who agreed that there was enough evidence to implicate Joran, Deepak and Satish all get it so wrong.

Janet

+++++++

updated 7:17 p.m. EST, Fri November 30, 2007
Brothers to be freed in Natalee Holloway case


The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said.

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters. He noted that on Monday, the same judge approved van der Sloot's continuing detention based on the same evidence.

"Apparently, the judge sees a difference between the third suspect and these two suspects," Mos said, since the judge concluded the evidence against the Kalpoes was not strong enough to warrant their continued detention.

When the arrests took place November 21, prosecutors said they had new incriminating evidence against the three men.

... Mos has told CNN he believes authorities have enough evidence to prove Holloway is dead, even if her body is never found. He has suggested her death was an accident.

The new evidence against the three men was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared, Mos has said.

Investigators also returned to the homes of the suspects to try to re-create transmissions. The team also discovered that some existing evidence was improperly analyzed.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2009, 09:30:17 PM

Where did the evidence go or ... did the investigation take another path ... another path that would distance the Kalpoes ... the Kalpoes who could implication Paulus van der Sloot.

Janet

++++++

updated 4:25 p.m. EST, Mon November 26, 2007
Dutch man to stay in custody in Holloway case


"There's no doubt in my mind that she's dead," said Hans Mos. "I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body."

Mos further explained that Aruban law does not require a body to prove someone is dead "and any day that passes now is just more evidence that she is not alive anymore."

In the recent investigation, advanced techniques were used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared, Mos said.

Investigators also returned to the homes of the suspects to try to re-create transmissions.

The team also discovered that some existing evidence was improperly analyzed, Mos added.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2009, 11:06:00 PM
I could be wrong but ... I believe that the Range Rover recordings began following Kalpoes and Joran release in December, 2007.

It is known that the fifth and final recording too place on January 29, 2008.  Two of the other recording dates from Patrick vander Eem's OVERBOARD were on January 13th and 15th.  Apparently ... Joran discusses with Patrick on one of the tapes regarding the detainment and interrogations of December, 2007.

Janet

+++++

On the Record w/ Greta - February 8, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: How much tape do you have? How many minutes or hours do you think total?

DE VRIES: Oh, we have in total, I think, 20 hours. But quite a lot of the 20 hours is spent with man talk about football, girls and things like that. And a couple of hours, they were talking about Natalee's case.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the 20 hours, that's over how many different days? I mean, is that one very long trip, or is it broken up into a number of trips?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's an important question, Greta. It's not just one conversation. It's not a slip of the tongue. We have been recording five days. So several moments, several days, and sometimes a week between it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2009, 12:23:52 AM
The Dutch police were aware early on of the secret recording plan of Patrick van der Eem and Peter Devries.  The recordings commenced sometime following the December, 2007 release of Joran, Deepak and Satish from detention.

Janet

++++++++


Meet the Man Who Got Van Der Sloot to Talk About Holloway's Disappearance
Patrick van der Eem Gives the Inside Story to ABC News
February 4, 2008


Setback

But once the trap was set -- once de Vries had set van der Eem up with a brand new Range Rover tricked out with three hidden cameras, audio recording devices and a Lowjack-like tracking system, de Vries and van der Eem learned that their target had been re-arrested and was back in custody of the Aruba authorities.

"Three days before I was getting my car, he was gone,'' van der Eem said. "Oh, and it was the most … pain in my life. Peter [de Vries], me…everybody was devastated."

But the arrest eventually worked in their favor: Once a judge ordered van der Sloot released for lack of evidence and prosecutors acknowledged they would close the case, van der Eem said he realized he had a new opportunity on his hands.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=6082.520;num_replies=538


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2009, 12:15:07 PM
Meet the Man Who Got Van Der Sloot to Talk About Holloway's Disappearance
Patrick van der Eem Gives the Inside Story to ABC News
February 4, 2008


http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4236425&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4236425&page=2
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4236425&page=3
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4236425&page=4


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2009, 01:00:38 PM

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

Other than a confirmation placing Joran van der Sloot in the presence of Natalee Holloway when she expired by an apparent seizure ... I contend the Range Rover recordings were nothing but fabrications ... fabrications that all the archives attest to.

Keepthefaith ... you ask what the Range Rover tapes accomplished.  In my opinion these tapes accomplished a lot to further the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for an eighteen year old American citizen.

Joran's "full confession" effectively:

1.  negated the involvement of the Kalpoes.
2.  negated the involvement of Paulus.
3.  negated the involvement of those who assisted Paulus.
4.  negated the involvement of the sons of the elite.
5.  negated the corrupt investigation.
6.  negated the gardner's court testimony.
7.  negated the witness and suspect statements.
8.  negated the suspicions that dictated the detainment of all suspects.
9.  pacified the family of Natalee Holloway.
10. negated the trap/cage.
11. negated Joran's involvement regarding wrongdoing encompassing Natalee's demise.
12. furthered the possibility of a successful outcome to the Kalpoe's defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

Janet


13.  negate the shoe within the trap/cage as case related.
 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2009, 06:32:37 PM
HANS MOS:  THE FAULT OF THE FAILED INVESTIGATION - FAMILY AND MEDIA

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I sat with the prosecutor, and I actually thought he was a pretty smart guy until all this unfolded. But he told me that the reason the investigation had failed was because of two reasons. One is the family and bringing in the DA who happened to be there on the island at the time. And the other is the media. That's why he said that this has failed.

KELLY: You know, that's so sad because even now, as I speak, as I said, everything I might say based on conversations with him, you know, defense attorneys have had in their hands for 10 days now, two weeks. So it's nothing new being revealed here. And to — you know, he's the one holding press conferences. He's the one that sat down for the long interview with you before I ever spoke to you.

And you know, I'm sure he's a very smart guy, but he had no answers to any of the questions we asked when we were down there. It was kind of sad that even the first questions we started asking him, he had no answers to.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2009, 06:57:51 PM
Could the detainments of Joran, Deepak and Satish in November, 2007 have been all about getting stories straight for the Range Rover recordings that Dutch Authorities knew were going to happen?  Could the the timing of the arrests have some significance?

Think about it.  Hans Mos claimed to have sufficient new evidence to warrant charges.  However ... John Kelly claims that the prosecutor had nothing new.

Janet

+++++++

PATRICK VANDER EEM:  THE TIMING OF THE ARRESTS

Meet the Man Who Got Van Der Sloot to Talk About Holloway's Disappearance
Patrick van der Eem Gives the Inside Story to ABC News
February 4, 2008


Setback

But once the trap was set -- once de Vries had set van der Eem up with a brand new Range Rover tricked out with three hidden cameras, audio recording devices and a Lowjack-like tracking system, de Vries and van der Eem learned that their target had been re-arrested and was back in custody of the Aruba authorities.

"Three days before I was getting my car, he was gone,'' van der Eem said. "Oh, and it was the most … pain in my life. Peter [de Vries], me…everybody was devastated."

But the arrest eventually worked in their favor: Once a judge ordered van der Sloot released for lack of evidence and prosecutors acknowledged they would close the case, van der Eem said he realized he had a new opportunity on his hands.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4236425&page=2


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/


HANS MOS:  JUSTIFICATION FOR THE ARRESTS

ABC NEWS - November 26, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

ttp://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


On the Record with Greta - November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


JOHN Q. KELLY - NO JUSTIFICATION FOR ARREST

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: ... John, how was your weekend?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Disappointing, Greta. I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there ...

VAN SUSTEREN: ... The prosecutor had misleading statements?

KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new, Greta. It's just the — you know, the — you know, the contradictory statements the boys made and some other accounts and the timeline and things like that that's been out there for two-and-a-half years now.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY: I can say it with 99 percent.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2009, 08:57:57 PM
What happened to all the new evidence that Hans Mos claimed warranted Joran, Deepak and Satish's detainment in November, 2007.  According to the judge ... it doesn't exist.  According to the defense attorneys ... it doesn't exist.  According the the Aruban judge ... it doesn't exist.

What then was the reasoning behind the rearrest of Joran, Deepak and Satish?

1.  Could it have had everything to do with the impending Range Rover tapes that Dutch authorities had been made aware of by Patrick vander Eem?

2.  Could it have been all about the Range Rover tapes that were meant to implicate only Joran in assisting to dispose of a Natalee Holloway's body after witnessing her demise following what appeared to be a seizure?

3.  Could it be that Joran was assured that when all was said and done ... he would not be held legally accountable?

Janet

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THE KALPOES' RELEASE

Wed December 5, 2007
Brothers suspected in Aruba case remain free


The Kalpoes and van der Sloot, who previously had been detained in the case, were re-arrested November 21, with prosecutors citing new and incriminating evidence against them. They were charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway, as well as assault and battery leading to her death. All three have maintained their innocence.

The new evidence is the same against all three, Mos has said.

A judge Friday ordered the Kalpoes released from jail, refusing a request from prosecutors that they remain in custody another eight days. Wednesday's decision came in response to Mos' appeal of that ruling.

"The reasoning of the court reads as follows: Notwithstanding an extensive and lengthy investigation, the case file against the brothers S.K. and D.K. does not contain direct indications that Natalee Holloway has died as the result of a violent crime against her," Mos' office said in a statement released after Wednesday's ruling. "Equally, the case file does not contain direct indications of the suspects' involvement in a violent crime against Natalee."

After last week's decision to release the Kalpoes, Mos told reporters the judge reasoned that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in the case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse."

Under Aruban law, he said, people accused of those lesser crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention.

But, Mos said last week, a judge had approved van der Sloot's continuing detention based on the same evidence. "Apparently, the judge sees a difference between the third suspect and these two suspects," he said.

On Wednesday, Mos' office said that given the length of time elapsed since Holloway's disappearance, "the court does not see sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspects' involvement in the crimes for which pretrial detention has been requested.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/05/aruba.holloway/


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S RELEASE

updated 1:17 p.m. EST, Fri December 7, 2007
Van der Sloot ordered released from Aruba jail


(CNN) -- In a decision that could end hopes for any prosecutions in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, an Aruban judge on Friday ordered the release of a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot.

The other suspects, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were released last week, a decision upheld by a three-judge panel on appeal. Prosecutors said they will not appeal the decision to release van der Sloot, meaning all three suspects will remain free pending any potential trial.

The judge's reasoning in making the decision Friday follows that of the Court of Appeal in the decision to uphold the release of the Kalpoes, Chief Public Prosecutor Hans Mos' office said in a written statement.

"He writes that recent investigation has not resulted in more direct evidence than before that Natalee Holloway has died as a result of a violent crime against her or that the suspect has been involved in such a crime," it said.

The prosecutor's office said that in light of the Court of Appeal's decision on the Kalpoes' release, an appeal of the van der Sloot decision is viewed as "fruitless."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/07/aruba/index.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2009, 10:12:13 PM
PROSECUTION SPOKESPERSON:  COLD CASE

Prosecutors Drop Holloway Investigation
Prosecutors Drop Investigation Into Disappearance of Alabama Teen Without Filing Charges
By CHRISTINE BROUWER and SCOTT MICHELS
Dec. 18, 2007


Weeks after several highly publicized arrests in the case of a missing American teenager, Aruban prosecutors said Tuesday that they were dismissing the case against the three suspects in the unsolved 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Prosecutors said there was not enough evidence to convict the three young men long suspected of involvement in her disappearance — Joran Van der Sloot and brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe.

"The investigation did not bring about sufficient evidence to convince a court of law that a crime of violence against Natalee Holloway has been committed," the prosecutor's office said in a statement.

Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, is "extremely disappointed," said her brother Paul Reynolds. "It's hard to put into words the frustration that she feels."

"It's extremely disappointing to hear [prosecutors] say they had something and then two weeks later that they don't. It doesn't make sense and it causes one to question whether this decision is appropriate," Reynolds said.  

After years with little news, Aruban authorities last month announced they had new evidence in the case, and re-arrested Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes. Prosecutors also said they had evidence that Holloway, whose body has never been found, was killed.

But, within weeks, a judge ordered all three suspects released, saying there was not enough evidence to continue to detain them. A court of appeal upheld that ruling, agreeing that there was not enough evidence to conclude that Holloway had died "due to a violent crime," the prosecutor's office said.

Hans Mos, the Aruban prosecutor, told ABC News today, "We did everything we could, but unfortunately we have had to accept that this did not have the desired result, namely a clarification of the case."

Prosecutors said they still believed the three men were involved in Holloway's death and they could reopen the case "if new serious evidence were to be found." The statute of limitations is six years for involuntary manslaughter and 12 years for homicide.

A spokesperson said that the prosecutor's office "looks at it as a cold case."

http://i.abcnews.com/TheLaw/Story?id=4020498&page=1


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2009, 10:30:28 PM
RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT


NANCY GRACE
Judge Refuses to Order Arrest of Joran Van Der Sloot
Aired February 5, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PATRICK VAN DER EEM (through translator): How were you so sure she was dead, Joran? You can`t. You know, people can also go into coma.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT (through translator) : Yes, I wasn`t sure about that, but it really scared me to death.

VAN DER EEM: No, but I understand that. I definitely understand that you were scared. Did you really prod her (INAUDIBLE)

VAN DER SLOOT: No, no. But it didn`t look good.

VAN DER EEM: How didn`t it look good, then?

VAN DER SLOOT: Just -- you know, she`d been shaking and stuff.

VAN DER EEM: What, really shaking?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. I don`t know. Yes. Pretty much.

VAN DER EEM: I`m asking you, how were you so sure (DELETED) she was dead, man?

VAN DER EEM: I wasn`t (DELETED) sure.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VAN DER EEM (through translator): This guy really knows what he`s doing. Did he weigh her down to make her sink?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): No, no. I don`t think so.

VAN DER EEM: You don`t even know that?

VAN DER SLOOT: No.

VAN DER EEM: Did he ever tell you how he did it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course he did.

VAN DER EEM: How did he do it, then?

VAN DER EEM: He just went out into the sea further and he just dumped her.

VAN DER EEM: He just threw her overboard, just like that? You`ve been really lucky, you know. No (DELETED) you`ve really been lucky.

VAN DER SLOOT: That`s what I say. I`ve been very lucky.

VAN DER EEM: Really lucky that he has been so stupid to do this, you know?

VAN DER SLOOT: I was even able to sleep that night. I just went home and went to bed.

VAN DER EEM: What happened to her? What (DELETED) happened to her? Joran listen, I`m from Aruba. I know the beach.

VAN DER SLOOT: I`m telling you honestly I know what happened to that girl.

VAN DER EEM: What happened then, Joran? (INAUDIBLE) she`s dead, isn`t she.

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course. The ocean`s big, isn`t it.

VAN DER EEM: Of course, the sea is big, man.

VAN DER SLOOT: I think that I`ve been incredibly lucky that she`s never been found because if they found that girl, I`d be in deep (DELETED), even if they find that girl dead with my sperm in her.

VAN DER EEM: And they can`t do anything anymore?

VAN DER SLOOT: Not a thing, no. They just can`t do a thing.

VAN DER EEM: She`s just lying still?

VAN DER SLOOT: Still, still. She`s not doing anything. He says, What happened? I said, I don`t know, either, man.

VAN DER EEM: Did you try and resuscitate her?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course! I tried everything, man. I tried to shake her. I was shaking the (DELETED). I was, like, So what`s wrong with you, man? I almost wanted to cry. What (DELETED) going to happen to me. I said to him, This is impossible. He took the boat. He went far out, and he threw her over the side. Then he came back and he docked his boat there. And he came by my house for a bit.

VAN DER EEM: At night.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. Then we talked for a bit and he says to me, You know, it`s all good. She`s going to be missing. They`re going to search, but they`re not going to know a thing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/05/ng.01.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2009, 10:47:02 PM
Prior to the ABC special viewing ... John Kelly must be of the impression that the trap/cage contents discovered by the Persistence on Christmas Day, 2007 and ... recovered by the Arubans on January 7, 2008 were not case related.

Janet

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On the Record w/ Greta
New Developments in Natalee Holloway Case
Friday, February 01, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: If the information (INAUDIBLE) was the information sufficiently detailed, or is the — or was the disposal such that the body could now be recovered? Because obviously, that would be giant in making out a case.

KELLY: It's my understanding from what I've heard that it would not be possible to recover the body at this time and the manner of disposal.  And you know, Greta, I think it's going to be pretty simple. Seeing is believing, and this is something that's to air Sunday night. I think everybody's going to have the opportunity to see for themselves and judge for themselves. And I hate to even talk about something that's just basically going to speak for itself when it does air.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327625,00.html




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2009, 12:36:38 AM
There was a time I would have believed that Peter Devries would have gone down fighting to expose the entire truth encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway ... the entire truth which would implicate Paulus van der Sloot.

However ... when Devries claimed that the tapes were a full confession rather than declaring to all who would listen that Joran's words were nothing but lies throughout the recordings ... I began to suspect that this investigative reporter who possessed a comprehensive knowledge of the dynamics encompassing the Natalee Holloway had sold out to the Aruban coverup agenda.

I do not adhere to the contention that Peter Devries was duped.  I give him too much credit and ... along with that credit there is accountability.

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2009, 12:40:36 AM
The distractions which were created to take the focus of attention away from the contents of the trap/cage that were afforded unchallenged by John Silvetti to the Aruban enemy on January 7, 2008 are very important.  Inquiring minds want to know why distractions were created if nothing case related was recovered by the Arubans

The speculation with backup that the false lead was created to divert attention away from the cage/trap discovery and recovery is embraced as a topic of discussion.

The speculation with backup that the witness/pond search was created to divert attention away from the cage/trap discovery and recovery is embraced as a topic of discussion.

Why is the speculation with backup that the Range Rover confession was a collaborated hoax which encompassed many projected outcomes such a sensitive topic of discussion?

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2009, 03:42:58 PM
When I consider the timing of the November, 2007 rearrests of Joran, Deepak and Satish and ... when I consider that the "powers that be" knew of the attempting "unmasking" of Joran van der Sloot

1.  I suspect at some period in time the "powers that be" became involved in the Range Rover recordings.

2.  I suspect the detentions were not justified and ... had everything to do with collaborating projected outcomes in the upcomming January Range Rover recordings ... projected outcomes that could bring a conclusion to the Natalee Holloway case.

3.  I suspect there was another collaboration with the "powers that be" for the fifth and final Range Rover recording ... another collaboration to assure that all projected outcomes were successfully accomplished..

Janet

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THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS


THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE DUTCH POLICE

Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – ... After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   

http://amigoe.com/english/


THE TIMING OF THE REARRESTS

Meet the Man Who Got Van Der Sloot to Talk About Holloway's Disappearance
Patrick van der Eem Gives the Inside Story to ABC News
February 4, 2008


Setback

"Three days before I was getting my car, he was gone,'' van der Eem said. "Oh, and it was the most … pain in my life. Peter [de Vries], me…everybody was devastated."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4236425&page=2


Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: So what was the plan? When was the first taping? I think there was a little problem with the first taping. You planned it and then Joran got arrested?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's right. The day we were planning to do it, he was arrested.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


REARRESTS - NEW EVIDENCE?

ABC NEWS - November 26, 2007


Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


REARRESTS - NO NEW EVIDENCE

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


VAN SUSTEREN: ... The prosecutor had misleading statements?

KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new, Greta. It's just the — you know, the — you know, the contradictory statements the boys made and some other accounts and the timeline and things like that that's been out there for two-and-a-half years now.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY: I can say it with 99 percent.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


FINAL COLLABORATION

Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea ...

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


COLLABORATED PROJECTED OUTCOMES?

The Range Rover recording effectively:


1.  negated the involvement of the Kalpoes.
2.  negated the possibility that the Kalpoes would implicate Paulus.
3.  negated the possibility that the Kalpoes would implicate those who assisted Paulus.
4.  negated the possibility that the Kalpoes would implicate the sons of the elite.
5.  distanced the corrupt investigation.
6.  negated the gardner's court testimony.
7.  negated the witness and suspect statements.
8.  negated the suspicions that dictated the detainment of all suspects.
9.  appeased the family of Natalee Holloway.
10. negated the trap/cage discovered by the Persistence and its contents recovered unchallenged by the Aruban enemy.
11. negated Joran's extent of involvement regarding wrongdoing encompassing Natalee's demise.
12. furthered the possibility of a successful outcome to the Kalpoe's defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2009, 10:49:20 PM
The one segment of the Range Rover recording regarding the seizure is the only part of the entire Range Rover recording that reflects a truth and cannot be negated by the the archives.

In my opinion the mention of a seizure ... an issue that can be backed up by the archives ... implies that Joran was present when Natalee Holloway died.

However ... as Wreck rightly pointed out ... the location of the seizure took place may not have even been the beach.

Janet

++++++


Range Rover Transcript

Joran: By the corner, by the Marriot, between the Marriott and the fisherman's hut. There is a road. I get out and walk with her on the beach. I begin to kiss her and such, but she does not look too good. Shit man, but she also looked good, but she wanted (it), she really wanted (it). So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did. Shaking, yes, very bad. So I was like, "Shit, what is this?" 

Patrick: What did you do then? 

Joran: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody. 

Patrick: Of course, no one is there, it's night time Joran. 

Joran: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her, she's not talking, 

Patrick: How long did she shake then? Do you know what it is? 

Joran: I don't know. 

Patrick: An epileptic episode, or something, man. She was shaking and foam also, from her mouth? 

Joran: No, no foam from her mouth. Not that I saw ...


Beth Holloway on Joran van der Sloot's 'Confession'
Thursday, February 07, 2008


BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER:  And you know, when you're hearing it, some of the things that I was hearing — of course, the first thing that struck me when Peter was telling me — and there were some camera crews around. And Peter began to disclose to me how Joran described Natalee's condition, the shaking. And I tell you, Greta, I mean, I had to ask everyone to leave the room. I wanted everyone out.

I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we can tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html


Janet,

I simply don't believe Natalee was disposed of that first night. I don't care if Joran claims that is what happened or not. Like you said, Joran told different stories to even Patrick. Yes, Natalee may have indeed had "seizures" that joran witnessed -- that DOESN'T mean those seizures happened on the beach or in the circumstances he told Patrick.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2009, 10:52:49 PM
If Peter Devries ... an investigative reporter who possessed a comprehensive knowledge of the corrupt Aruban investigation ... had dismissed the finished recordings as nothing but a pack of lies by Joran ... lies that only furthered the Aruban coverup agenda ... I would have assumed that only Joran van der Sloot ...the Aruban "powers that be" and maybe Patrick ... were in on what I perceive as a hoax ... a hoax meant to bring the the Natalee Holloway case to a simple conclusion ... a conclusion that implied that only Joran was involved in the misdemeanor of assisting in the disposal of a body.  Case Closed!

However ... when Peter Devries refers over and over on the talk show circuit ... on his interview with Beth ... on his website .. that the recordings solved the case ... the recordings contain a "full" confession ... I draw the line.

Devries has had two years to reassess his position on the recording and ... in my opinion his silence speaks volumes.

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2009, 10:54:02 PM
Prior to January 7, 2008 ... I perceive the Arubans involvement in the Range Rover recordings as very beneficial.  Following the recovery of the samples located within the trap/cage ... the benefits of Aruban involvement increased by one.

IMO

Janet

+++++++

The Range Rover recording effectively:

1.  negated the involvement of the Kalpoes.
2.  negated the possibility that the Kalpoes would implicate Paulus.
3.  negated the possibility that the Kalpoes would implicate those who assisted Paulus.
4.  negated the possibility that the Kalpoes would implicate the sons of the elite.
5.  distanced the corrupt investigation.
6.  negated the gardner's court testimony.
7.  negated the witness and suspect statements.
8.  negated the suspicions that dictated the detainment of all suspects.
9.  appeased the family of Natalee Holloway.
10. negated the trap/cage discovered by the Persistence and its contents recovered unchallenged by the Aruban enemy.
11. negated Joran's extent of involvement regarding wrongdoing encompassing Natalee's demise.
12. furthered the possibility of a successful outcome to the Kalpoe's defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2009, 10:55:41 PM
The following words of Peter Devries implies his connection with Patrick had taken place prior to the rearrests of the the main suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.

I suspect that the collaborations regarding projected outcomes began during the detainment and ... were ongoing right up to the secret meeting that Aruban authories had with "Devries and his team" regarding the fifth and final recording.

+++++++

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: So what was the plan? When was the first taping? I think there was a little problem with the first taping. You planned it and then Joran got arrested?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's right. The day we were planning to do it, he was arrested.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 26, 2009, 07:29:27 AM
Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #825 10/12/09 -
« Reply #824 on: October 23, 2009, 02:50:04 PM »


I received this translation of Patrick's book from a friend and am told it's a good Dutch to English translation.  I added it to docstoc so you guys could read:   ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6082.msg993083;topicseen#msg993083




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 26, 2009, 07:43:19 AM
Please read the Range Rover transcript!  Listen to the Range Rover recording.  Joran admitted that he cannot be sure that Natalee Holloway was deceased following her apparent seizure prior to being dumped in the ocean.

It appears that Peter Devries is determined that Joran van der Sloot is not going to be implicated in anything more serious than the felony of disposing of a body.  Was that the collaborated plan?

Think about it ... Joran admitted to Patrick van der Eem in the Range Rover recording that he could not be sure that Natalee Holloway was dead was deceased.

Why is Peter Devries upholding the Aruban coverup agenda that implies that the only wrongdoing that Joran van der Sloot confessed to was the felony of assisting in the disposal of a "body" which ... under Dutch law ... is a misdemeanor.

Janet

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ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?


If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives.  During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


ACCORDING TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Range Rover Transcripts

Patrick: How did you know she was dead?
 
Joran: She didn't move anymore.
 
Patrick: And Daury, did he check?

Joran: Yeah, he stood over her and looked at her.

Patrick: That's it? What if she was in coma?  

Joran: Uh...I don't know. I didn't know [if she was dead], she could have been in a coma.  I didn't feel her, but it didn't look good. I didn't know fuckin sure she was dead.  Daury looked at her and said she was dead. He just looked at her and said, she's dead.  Could've been a coma.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 26, 2009, 08:37:51 AM
John Q. Kelly ... the attorney for the family refers to the November 2007 detainments as a "dog and pony show" and ... his heart breaks for the parents of Natalee Holloway who flew to Aruba at the beginning of December with expectation from Hans Mos that maybe ... just maybe ... justice would finally prevail for their daughter.

At then end of January, 2006 ... Beth Holloway refers to these deceptions by those within the Aruban investigation as "devastating".

Janet 

++++++


A DOG AND PONY SHOW - NO NEW EVIDENCE?

ACCORDING TO JOHN Q. KELLY

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  ... I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


BETH HOLLOWAY - IT IS DEVASTATING

Dr. Phil Show - January 29, 2006


Beth Holloway Twitty:  "There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 26, 2009, 08:41:51 AM
ANOTHER SECRET RECORDING

The leaked secret recording of the conversation between Joran, Deepak and Satish was not discredit by the Natalee's Freebirds.  A document was produced and posted on their blog as well as the SM forum.

Janet

+++++++


CORRUPT ARUBAN POLICE AND JUDGES REVEALED!


ARUBA LAW ENFORCEMENT AND DUTCH JUDGES IGNORE INCRIMINATING STATEMENTS BY JORAN VAN DER SLOOT AND THE KALPOE BROTHERS

On June 25, 2005 Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, Deepak and Satish, were being transported in an Aruba police van while their conversation was being secretly recorded. The statements made by the three suspects revealed unequivocally that they know pertinent and in-depth details about missing Mountain Brook student Natalee Holloway

ARUBAN POLICE IGNORE INCRIMINATING STATEMENTS BY THE SUSPECTS

Why did the Aruban investigators not follow up on such incriminating statements in their future interrogations of the three suspects? The gold mine of information included in that conversation was never tapped by law enforcement. It is interesting to note that segments of the conversation pointed to Joran’s father, Paulus Van Der Sloot, as having involvement in Natalee’s disappearance - yet questions about this suspect were ignored in all but the very earliest of police interviews. Could this be because Paulus Van Der Sloot was being protected by his close friend and lead investigator Jan van der Straten who just happened to be spearheading the case?


DUTCH JUDGES RELEASE SUSPECTS FROM GIVING FURTHER TESTIMONY

The Dutch judges from Curacao also share culpability in ignoring these statements by the three suspects. One in particular was Judge Robert “Bob” Smid who is reported to be a friend of Paulus Van Der Sloot, and had even stayed at his home while visiting the island. On August 30, 2005 Judge Smid issued a ruling that Joran should be held another 30 days, flew back to Curacao and immediately faxed in a reversal of his ruling. Two and a half weeks later Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were all released from giving further testimony in the case.

On September 3, 2005 Joran Van der Sloot was released from police custody and fled to Holland. Drawing on an obscure Dutch judgement in another case, the judge ruled that Joran’s schoolwork was apparently more important than giving any further testimony in the Natalee Holloway case, even though he and the Kalpoe brothers disagree on key points about what happened the night Natalee disappeared.



DID THE ARUBAN POLICE AND DUTCH JUDGES REALLY WANT THIS CASE SOLVED?

Judging by their actions, neither the Aruban police or the Dutch judges cared enough about the victim, Natalee Holloway, to dig any further into the case. The three main suspects’ statements in the police van clearly indicate they have knowledge of what happened to the Alabama teenager, yet the law enforcement and judicial arms of Aruba’s government turned a blind eye to their criminality in the case.

In the early weeks of this case the Aruban government sent out media representatives such as Arlene Ellis-Schippers to explain that Dutch law is different from American law. Is it common in Dutch law to ignore incriminating statements made by key suspects? Is it common in Dutch law for judges to release key suspects to flee the country and never have to testify again? If so, you have to wonder if any visitor is safe on Dutch soil.



SEGMENTS OF THE POLICE VAN TAPES:

1- In this part of the conversation Deepak is urging Joran to tell the truth, saying he could straighten everything out by telling the truth. Note that Joran doesn't argue with this.

D says to J: You can straighten everything out in one shot, you know
J says to D: Why?
J says to D: You can straighten things out too
J says to D: Straighten things out how?
D says to J: You have to tell the truth.


2- Here the three suspects are pointing fingers at each other, threatening to expose each other’s involvement in the crime. Are they implying that Joran got himself into this trouble? Were they merely assisting him?


J says to S or D: Police told me about you now, if you go against me then that’s when I will go against you.
Brothers laugh: Heheheheheh
S says to J: We didn’t put you in this problem.


3- Here Joran says that he will laugh if they find Natalee alive. Does this imply that she is deceased, or will be by the time they find her?

J says to D: And I’ll laugh if they find the girl alive, f*** you.


4- In this portion the three suspects indicate that something bad happened to Natalee. Why wasn't this finger-pointing followed up on by the Aruban and Dutch interrogators?

J says to the brothers: I know very well that you’re scared.
J says to the brothers: If you did something bad to the girl, then we will see.
S says to J: I’m not scared.
S says to J: What do I have to be scared about?
D says to J: I want them to find the girl.

5- In this segment Deepak accuses Joran of telling the police that he (Deepak) buried Natalee at the Fisherman’s Huts. Joran denies telling the police this, despite the fact there is a police statement purporting this very accusation.

D says to J: You’re going to say shit about me in regards to the girl, that I buried the girl at the Fisherman’s Hut.
J says to D: Who said anything about a burial, I didn’t say anything about a burial.
D says to J: You declared that.
D says to J: Stop with the bullshit.
J says to D: I didn’t say anything about a burial.


6- In the part of the transcript Joran indicates that if the police find Natalee they will find something that will incriminate them. They will see what "sh*t"? Is this referring to some bad condition they left her in?

J says to the brothers: If they find the girl, then they will see the sh*t.


7- It has been well documented that Joran’s father Paulus Van der Sloot told the three suspects the day after Natalee disappeared that “if there is no corpse, there is no case.” Why would the elder van der Sloot give the three suspects this advice if they had no idea whether Natalee was alive or not?

J says to the brothers: You said that he (Joran’s father) said that if there’s no corpse there’s no case, or I don’t know what more sorts of shit.
J says to the brothers: That’s not true, the only thing he (Joran’s father) said that if there’s no body there don’t have a case.

8- And in this segment Deepak seems to indicate Paulus Van der Sloot is involved in the crime.

D to J: You don’t give a shit about your the members of your won family
J to D: The only thing that I can think of is my family I do what my family tells me to do
J to D: Right, +++++
D to J: Your own father, unbelievable
J to D: Wat my father,it is your [plural your] fault that he is arrested. I didn’t declare anything against my father, you [plural you] declared against my father

9- Here again the Kalpoe’s indicate that it was Joran’s fault that they were in the predicament they were in.

D says to J: We have suffered a lot because of you.


10- In this part of the conversation the Kalpoe’s say that the original lie of dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn was done for Joran’s benefit.

J says to the brothers: Who made the declaration about the guards; it was you and not me. Why?
Because I didn’t want to bring anyone into the problem who has nothing to do with this case.
D or S yells to J: The lie was for you.
J says to the brothers: It was you who admitted that.
D or S again yells to J: The lie was for you.


11- This final statement from Deepak to Joran unmistakably indicates that the three suspects know something bad happened to Natalee (drugs and rape?) and that Joran will go to prison if they find her.

D to J: The’re going to give you 15 years if they find the girl


*WHY DID ARUBA LAW ENFORCEMENT NEVER FOLLOW UP ON THESE STATEMENTS BY THE THREE SUSPECTS THAT SO APPARENTLY INDICATE THEY WERE INVOLVED IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S DISAPPEARANCE?

*WHY DID THE DUTCH JUDGES RELEASE JORAN VAN DER SLOOT AND THE KALPOE BROTHERS UNCONDITIONALLY WITH SUCH INCRIMINATING STATEMENTS ON THE RECORD?

*READING THIS TRANSCRIPT IT IS VERY CLEAR THE THREE MAIN SUSPECTS KNOW SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY. WHY HAVE ARUBAN AND DUTCH AUTHORITIES NOT ACTED ON THE CASE? ARE THE DUTCH COVERING FOR THE VAN DER SLOOT FAMILY BECAUSE THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE DUTCH?



(Thanks to Getagrip for the translation)

Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!

Natalee’s Freebirds

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/04/corrupt-aruban-police-and-judges.html

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 26, 2009, 08:55:58 AM
Inquiring minds want to know what was behind the November detainments of Joran, Deepak and Satish ... detainments that took place just as the Range Rover recordings were to begin ... Range Rover recordings that Patrick vander Eem had reportedly discussed with the "powers that be"?

Janet

+++++++

1. NO NEW EVIDENCE?

ACCORDING TO JOHN Q. KELLY

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  ... I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


2.  NEW EVIDENCE?

ACCORDING TO HANS MOS

ABC NEWS - November 26, 2007


Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

ttp://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


On the Record with Greta - November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


3.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE DUTCH POLICE

Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – ... After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   

http://amigoe.com/english/


4. REARRESTS:  THE TIMING

Meet the Man Who Got Van Der Sloot to Talk About Holloway's Disappearance
Patrick van der Eem Gives the Inside Story to ABC News
February 4, 2008


Setback

"Three days before I was getting my car, he was gone,'' van der Eem said. "Oh, and it was the most … pain in my life. Peter [de Vries], me…everybody was devastated."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4236425&page=2


Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: So what was the plan? When was the first taping? I think there was a little problem with the first taping. You planned it and then Joran got arrested?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's right. The day we were planning to do it, he was arrested.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 26, 2009, 09:08:06 AM
5.  CATCH AND RELEASE

updated 1:17 p.m. EST, Fri December 7, 2007
Van der Sloot ordered released from Aruba jail


(CNN) -- In a decision that could end hopes for any prosecutions in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, an Aruban judge on Friday ordered the release of a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot.

The other suspects, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were released last week, a decision upheld by a three-judge panel on appeal. Prosecutors said they will not appeal the decision to release van der Sloot, meaning all three suspects will remain free pending any potential trial.

The judge's reasoning in making the decision Friday follows that of the Court of Appeal in the decision to uphold the release of the Kalpoes, Chief Public Prosecutor Hans Mos' office said in a written statement.

"He writes that recent investigation has not resulted in more direct evidence than before that Natalee Holloway has died as a result of a violent crime against her or that the suspect has been involved in such a crime," it said.

The prosecutor's office said that in light of the Court of Appeal's decision on the Kalpoes' release, an appeal of the van der Sloot decision is viewed as "fruitless."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/07/aruba/index.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 26, 2009, 09:09:50 AM
The following words of Peter Devries implies his connection with Patrick had taken place prior to the rearrests of the the main suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.

I suspect that the collaborations regarding projected outcomes began during the detainment and ... were ongoing right up to the secret meeting that Aruban authories had with "Devries and his team" regarding the fifth and final recording.

+++++++

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: So what was the plan? When was the first taping? I think there was a little problem with the first taping. You planned it and then Joran got arrested?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's right. The day we were planning to do it, he was arrested.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 26, 2009, 09:13:48 AM
Prior to January 7, 2008 ... the Arubans involvement in the Range Rover recordings would have been beneficial in more ways than one in furthering the coverup agenda.  However ... following the recovery of the samples located within the trap/cage ... the benefits of Aruban involvement increased by one.

IMO

Janet

+++++++

The Range Rover recording effectively:

1.  negated the involvement of the Kalpoes.
2.  negated the possibility that the Kalpoes would implicate Paulus.
3.  negated the possibility that the Kalpoes would implicate those who assisted Paulus.
4.  negated the possibility that the Kalpoes would implicate the sons of the elite.
5.  distanced the corrupt investigation.
6.  negated the gardner's court testimony.
7.  negated the witness and suspect statements.
8.  negated the suspicions that dictated the detainment of all suspects.
9.  appeased the family of Natalee Holloway.
10. negated the trap/cage discovered by the Persistence and its contents recovered unchallenged by the Aruban enemy.
11. negated Joran's extent of involvement regarding wrongdoing encompassing Natalee's demise.
12. furthered the possibility of a successful outcome to the Kalpoe's defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 26, 2009, 09:16:20 AM
TWO YEAR'S SILENCE

If Peter Devries ... an investigative reporter who possessed a comprehensive knowledge of the corrupt Aruban investigation ... had dismissed the finished recordings as nothing but a pack of lies by Joran ... lies that only furthered the Aruban coverup agenda ... I would have assumed that only Joran van der Sloot ...the Aruban "powers that be" and maybe Patrick ... were in on what I perceive as a hoax ... a hoax meant to bring the the Natalee Holloway case to a simple conclusion ... a conclusion that implied that only Joran was involved in the misdemeanor of assisting in the disposal of a body.  Case Closed!

However ... when Peter Devries refers over and over on the talk show circuit ... on his interview with Beth ... on his website .. that the recordings solved the case ... the recordings contain a "full" confession ... I draw the line.

Devries has had two years to reassess his position on the recording and ... in my opinion his silence speaks volumes.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2009, 03:50:31 PM
Has this been posted?

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_64282.php

Inzake Holloway: Onderzoek naar oud-korpschef afgerond
26 Okt, 2009, 14:26 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — Het justitieel onderzoek naar de handelingen en integriteit van hoofdcommissaris Jan van der Straten is afgerond. “De laatste puntjes op de i moeten nog worden gezet”, aldus Ann Angela, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie.
Angela laat weten dat procureur-generaal Rob Pietersz de onderzoeksrapportage al heeft doorgelezen, maar dat hij vooralsnog niets kwijt wil over de bevindingen. “Hij vraagt om geduld.” Het onderzoek is in opdracht van Justitie-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) uitgevoerd, op aandringen van de Nederlandse staatssecretaris van Koninkrijksrelaties Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA). Croes had namelijk meerdere malen kenbaar gemaakt dat hij Van der Straten ervan verdenkt het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse tiener Natalee Holloway bewust te hebben verhinderd. De voormalige korpschef zou het onderzoek hebben belemmerd om zijn vriend Paul van der Sloot te helpen bij het beschermen van zijn zoon, hoofdverdachte Joran van der Sloot. De oud-politiecommissaris zou van der Sloot en twee andere verdachten bewust pas tien dagen na de verdwijning hebben laten oppakken. De minister stelde ook dat Van der Straten destijds zei: “Dit kan ik mijn vriend Paul niet aandoen.” Jan van der Straten is inmiddels met pensioen.


Google translation:

Holloway: Research on former chief completed
October 26, 2009, 14:26 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The judicial investigation into the actions and integrity of chief Jan van der Straten is completed. "The dot the i have yet to be put," said Angela Ann, spokesman of the Public Ministry.
Angela reports that Attorney-General Rob Pietersz the research report has been read, but he as nothing to lose on the facts. "He asked for patience." The study was commissioned by Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) performed at the insistence of the Dutch State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA). Croes had in fact repeatedly expressed that he suspects the Street Van der investigation into the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway have deliberately prevented. The former police chief would have impeded the investigation to his friend Paul van der Sloot to help protect his son, the main suspect Joran van der Sloot. The former Police would der Sloot and two other suspects aware until ten days after the disappearance have taken up. The minister also said that Van der Straten then said: "I can not do my friend Paul." Jan van der Straten has since retired.


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_64282.php

Thank you Klaas.

My position has not wavered.  Any appearance of justice for Natalee Holloway coming out of Aruban is completely self-serving in regards to appeasing the family and making the case go away.

I suspect that "throwing Jan van Straaten under the bus" is a well thought out Aruban plan to bring closure to the Natalee Holloway case.  A retired Jan van Straaten has been provided incentives to cooperate.  In other words ... Jan van Straaten has agreed to be the official sacrificial lamb within the investigation … the official sacrificial lamb within the investigation whose actions prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway ... the official sacrificial lamb within the investigation who has been assured there will be no accountability other than maybe a slap on the wrist.

Think about it.  Without Jan van Straaten’s cooperation there would be a domino affect that would be very far reaching in regards to the implication of ALL those at various levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were/are involved in the cover up agenda that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.  Without compensation … Jan van Straaten is not about to take the fall alone for corrupting the Natalee Holloway investigation.

The Aruban plan has been well thought out.

Along with Range Rover confession that implies that Joran van der Sloot witnessed the demise of Natalee Holloway … to make this case go away the Aruban “powers that be” will again attempt to appease the family of Natalee Holloway by conceding to a "botched" investigation caused by ONE of her own ... a "botched" investigation that unfortunately cannot be reinvestigated as the hands of time cannot be turned back 4 1/2 years.

Case Closed!

IMO 

Janet

+++++++++


On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.


DENNIS JACOBS

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway


Page 9-10: Jacobs also told us that the day before we arrived, he had interviewed the boys who eventually became the three main suspects in Natalee's disappearance, Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, and his brother Satish. Beth had informed him of them after receiving information about videotapes taken from the security cameras outside of the Holiday Inn and in the hotel's casino. It had been determined that they were the last people to be seen with her.

Jacobs considered the boys' statements to be consistent in that they had all said that they dropped Natalee off at the hotel.  However, I did not realize at the time that Beth had already told him that the tapes did not show Natalee returning to the Holiday Inn that night.

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2009, 06:13:18 PM
THE APPEASEMENT TO MAKE THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE GO AWAY.

The Aruban appeasing of the family is two-fold without anybody being held accountable:

1.  Is our daughter deceased?  Where is she?

Beth and Dave

The Range Rover confession reveals in Joran van der Sloot own words that he witnessed Natalee's demise and assisted in her disposal.  Charges were attempted by the prosecutor but the judiciary would not comply.

Sincerely
Spokesman of the Public Ministry


2.  What about the cover up in the Aruban investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for our daughter.

Beth and Dave

Aruba apologizes.  Our internal investigations implies that conflicts of interest reveals that Jan van Straaten compromised the investigation in the first ten days but ... unfortunately the judiciary does not concur.

Sincerely
Spokesman of the Public Ministry


IMO


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2009, 06:17:45 PM
THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE RANGE ROVER AND JAN VANDER STRAATEN INVESTIGATION

Rudy Croes was aware of the conflict of interest in regards to Jan van der Sloot and Paulus vander Sloot at least a year and a half prior to the investigation announcement of December, 2008.  Apparently ... this conflict of interest was the focus of an earlier investigation.

I do believe that the timing of this lastest investigation implies what John Q. Kelly would call an Aruban "dog and pony show".

IMO

Janet

+++++++


AUGUST, 2006

Eric Zaandam - President Police Union, Aruban television 8/28/06


Now, information are coming out that Jan v/d Straatten was indeed investigated and had telephone conversations with people about the case that he should not have contacts with, or even talk about the case.


Rudy Croes - Minister of Justice - Top 95 radio 8/28/06

Aruban Minister of Justice Mr. Rudy Croes, in relationship with the Natalee Holloway investigation, revealed a very serious information in direction of Van der Straaten.

Minister Croes revealed that he knows about various telephone calls of Van der Straaten and that he, the minister, knows with whom Van der Straaten was talking to ...

<snipped>

Natalee’s Freebirds

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg287560;topicseen#msg287560


DEEMBER, 2008

Police head hindered Holloway investigation
Published: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:28 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:35 UTC


Mr Croes also said that Mr Van de Straten appeared to have made a conscious decision not to arrest Joran van der Sloot and two other suspects until ten days after Ms Holloway disappeared, even though the first few days are crucial in such an investigation. He went on to say that Mr Van de Straten and Mr Van der Sloot conducted lengthy telephone conversations after the disappearance and that the commissioner deployed a team of second-rank officers to investigate it.

Mr Croes added that a Dutch minister had asked the Aruban authorities to conceal as much as possible the fact that Joran van der Sloot was Dutch.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6079658/Claims-that-police-head-hindered-Holloway-investigation.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2009, 06:20:28 PM
Why would Rudy Croes all of a sudden appear in December, 2008 to be on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway if there was not a collaborated  plan that would benefit Aruban in regards to the case ... a collaborated plan that coincides with the Range Rover undertaking?

Janet

++++++

Amigoe
January 17, 2008


ORANJESTAD — Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) of Justice is of the opinion that the findings of the two American investigators Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo in the disappearance case of Natalee Holloway, must be seriously considered. The two assert that Natalee’s stepfather Jug Twitty has abused and impregnated her and that her mother Beth knew about it. The two also say that Natalee had died from an overdose two weeks after the night on the beach with Joran van der Sloot when she disappeared. “Joran is innocent”, said the investigators.

<snipped>

The two private detectors could be elaborately heard and seen on radio and TV in local current affairs programs yesterday. TeleAruba spent half of her daily news program on an interview with Castillo and Young, who also call themselves ‘mediums’. They were also in Aruba last year, but there was hardly any attention paid to their stories. Not even Minister Croes, who at that time, two years ago, called them ‘Indian stories’.

It was Tourism-minister Edison Briesen that introduced them to Croes, because he thought that the information was important enough to be included in the judicial investigation.
 
Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.”  Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg329756#msg329756


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2009, 06:25:58 PM
Private Eye considers Rudy Croes as being a participant in the coverup.

If there is an appearance that Jan vander Straaten is being thrown under the bus by Rudy Croes in the investigation that began in December, 2008 ... that is all it is "appearance".  I contend it is all Part 2 of a collabrated conspiracy to appease the family of Natalee Holloway by explaining away why justice did not prevail.

The explanation regarding the conflict of interest within the investigation  along with the Range Rover confession that implies Natalee is deceased is Aruban's final attempt to appease the family.

IMO

Janet

++++++

private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2009, 07:24:59 PM
THE APPEASEMENT OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FAMILY

The explanation of why justice never prevailed in regards to a conflict of interest within the investigation along with the Range Rover confession that implies Natalee is deceased and ... the implication that a trap/cage was not involved ... is Aruban's final attempt to appease the family.

In other words ... as the trap/cage discovered by the Persistence undertaking is negated ... the outcome would be three-fold.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2009, 07:25:59 PM
When all is said and done ... I do not believe that Beth Holloway will be appeased by Aruban's ATTEMPT to bring the case to a close.  Aruba will learn soon enough the ATTEMPT failed and ...Beth will not abandon her 40 year quest for the truth encompassing the disappearance of her daughter.

I concede that the only truth in the entire Range Rover recording ... the only truth which implied that her daughter is deceased ... has given Beth a certain peace of mind.  However ... I also give Beth credit that she recognizes that something is not right with the Range Rover recording  considering only Joran was implicated ... implicated in a misdemeanor felony.

I suspect that there is no way that Beth Holloway will embrace Rudy Croes' contention that Jan vander Straaten was the only official within the investigation responsible for justice not prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2009, 12:36:50 PM
SPECULATION

My position still has not wavered.  Any appearance of justice for Natalee Holloway coming out of Aruban ... coming from Rudy Croes ... is completely self-serving in regards to appeasing the family and making the case a distance memory.

Throwing Jan van Straaten under the bus is a well thought out Aruban plan to bring closure to the Natalee Holloway case.  A retired Jan vander Straaten has been provided compensation to cooperate and ... he has been given assurance the outcome will warrant no legal accountability.

In other words ... Jan van Straaten has agreed to be the official sacrificial lamb within the investigation … the official sacrificial lamb within the investigation whose actions prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

Think about it.  Without Jan van Straaten’s cooperation there would be a domino affect that would be very far reaching in regards to the implication of ALL those at various levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were/are involved in the cover up agenda that has denied Natalee Holloway justice ... including Rudy Croes himself ... including Paulus van der Sloot.  In other words ... the Aruban house of cards would collapse.

However ... the Aruban plan has been well thought out.

To bring the case to a close ... Aruba will attempt to appease the family of Natalee Holloway by conceding that a compromised investigation caused by ONE of her own prevented justice from prevailing.  However ... unfortunately ... according to Aruba ... the case cannot be reinvestigated as the hands of time cannot be turned back 4 1/2 years.

The house of cards will be protected.  The Aruban plan assures that the  house of cards will not be allowed to collapse.

Considering the outcome of the conflict of interest investigation has yet to happen ... speculation is where it is at.

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2009, 07:22:07 PM


Beth Twitty
DATELINE
February 20, 2008


The three main suspects, Joran van der Sloot, and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were rearrested.

Dave Holloway broke his vow and rushed back to Aruba along with Beth for special meetings with prosecutors. They were asked to bring medical records.  To their horror, though, they say they ended up talking not about new evidence but were asked probing questions about Natalee’s character.

Beth Holloway: They kept saying that Natalee, you know, was a drug user … She's never had a history of drug use. She's never been in drug rehab. Yeah, I thought that -- then, they don't have anything. They don't have anything, you know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


At a time when the Prosecutor should have been discussing the new evidence that warranted the rearrests of the main suspects with the parents of Natalee Holloway ... his objective appears to have been obtaining information that had everything to do with the upcoming Range Rover recording ... the Range Rover recording that was to begin but was halted on the day the suspects were detained.

I do not cry easily.  However ... when DIL retrieved the above quote for me ... the quote I have been attempting to find for the past few days ... the quote I had not read in about a year ... I cried.

What an ongoing roller coaster from H--- the family of Natalee Holloway have been riding on for the past 4 1/2 years!  Strength must be afforded by God at the time it is required because I personally do not know how they keep on keeping on.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++

Dr. Phil Show - January 29, 2006

Beth Holloway Twitty:
  There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2009, 10:43:12 PM
WAS THE RANGE ROVER RECORING BEHIND THE REARRESTS OF NOVEMBER, 2007?

The words of the family attorney imply that there was no lovefest going on between him, the prosecutor and the parents of Natalee Holloway in November and December of 2008.

As of December 5, 2008 ... Hans Mos still held the position of Aruban prosecutor but ... was not interested in questioning Joran van der Sloot in regards to his words in his interview with Greta ... in regards to his words implicating his father in the coverup encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

It was my understanding that a prosecutor is suppose to be an advocate for the victim.  Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot cannot lose.  Those two have defence attorneys ... those within the Aruban and Dutch administration and ... the prosecutor all working on their behalf.

Justice for Natalee Holloway never stood a chance.

Janet

+++++++

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: Karin Janssen was the original prosecutor and Hans Mos took over. When she left Aruba, did she call you and sort of tie up lose ends, or did she just sort of vanish from your radar screen?

HOLLOWAY: ... So you know, that's always been an issue, just no communication from the prosecuting attorney's office. And you know, it just leaves you wondering, you know, where are you? And you hear all this information coming them, saying that they're following up on every lead. Well, you know, that's just simply not true. They're not following up on any leads.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Holloway Attorney: Pleas for Arrest Met With 'Deafening Silence'
Wednesday, December 03, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: "Arrest them." That's what the lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family told the Aruban prosecutor. Joran van der Sloot told us "On the Record" that he sold Natalee Holloway on a beach in Aruba.

He also named names, including his own father.

Then Joran e-mailed us that he made the whole story up. Did he make it up, or did he send that email because he panicked after he realized what he told us on camera.

Now the Holloway family lawyer John Q. Kelly wants action. In a letter to Aruban Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos, Kelly calls for the arrest of Joran van der Sloot. Joran's father Paulus and the Kalpoe brothers are also included.

John Q. Kelly joins us. And John Q. Kelly, I hope you're not mad because we got the letter out of your client.

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: That letter went out last Wednesday.

VAN SUSTEREN: I know. I got my hands on it a day or two ago, or last week.

KELLY: Sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: It's your letter. What do you want from Hans Mos, and what have you heard from him?

KELLY: Nothing but deafening silence out of Aruba. No, I haven't heard from him.

The point of the letter was, and if you remember last year, Greta, with great fanfare and press releases, and, you know, just all kinds of dog and pony show, they arrested the Kalpoe brothers and Joran for absolutely no reason, no new evidence. Just picked them up and held them for a month.

And now they have new evidence. You have a damning confession by Joran as to serious criminal conduct he engaged in, implicates others. And they haven't done anything with it. And everything Joran has said is consistent with the facts as we know them right now.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460908,00.html


Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: ... John, let's get some timing, first of all. When did you send that letter asking to have the arrest? When was that sent?

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR HOLLOWAY FAMILY: Eight days ago. It would have been last Wednesday.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Get a response?

KELLY: No response to the letter. First phone call back was today, my cell phone.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. When did you get -- when did you last make a phone call to Hans Mos?

KELLY: Yesterday morning.

VAN SUSTEREN: Before -- yesterday morning?

KELLY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And I take it you said, Call me back, right?

KELLY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So what was your voicemail that met you today? What'd you get?

KELLY: Oh, I wouldn't call it nasty. I would say it was curt. He was clearly angry. And it was just basically two things. One, he said it was unfortunate, what I said about him on your show the other night, which, whatever it was, I stand by it 100 percent. And the second thing was, basically, Don't hold your breath on the letter you wrote me.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2009, 10:46:01 PM

Beth Holloway
DATELINE
February 20, 2008


The three main suspects, Joran van der Sloot, and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were rearrested.

Dave Holloway broke his vow and rushed back to Aruba along with Beth for special meetings with prosecutors. They were asked to bring medical records.  To their horror, though, they say they ended up talking not about new evidence but were asked probing questions about Natalee’s character.

Beth Holloway: They kept saying that Natalee, you know, was a drug user … She's never had a history of drug use. She's never been in drug rehab. Yeah, I thought that -- then, they don't have anything. They don't have anything, you know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


At a time when the Prosecutor should have been discussing the new evidence that warranted the rearrests of the main suspects with the parents of Natalee Holloway ... his objective appears to have been obtaining information that had everything to do with the upcoming Range Rover recording ... the Range Rover recording that was to begin but was halted on the day the suspects were detained.

I do not cry easily.  However ... when DIL retrieved the above quote for me ... the quote I have been attempting to find for the past few days ... the quote I had not read in about a year ... I cried.

What an ongoing roller coaster from H--- the family of Natalee Holloway have been riding on for the past 4 1/2 years!  Strength must be afforded by God at the time it is required because I personally do not know how they keep on keeping on.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++

Dr. Phil Show - January 29, 2006

Beth Holloway Twitty:
  There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2009, 10:48:06 PM
Klassend
Re: Corruption and Collusion within the Aruban government
« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2008, 03:03:50 PM »


Here is the latest from Natalee's Freebirds:
 
HANS MOS – PROSECUTOR OR SABOTEUR?  

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=599.msg468974;topicseen#msg468974


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2009, 10:56:42 PM
Hans Mos' words stated that ten lawyers came to the decision that new evidence determined by ten lawyers dictated the rearrest of Joran, Deepak and Satish.

Initially ... there was nothing out of Hans Mos' lips indicating the new evidence was not sufficient ... the suspects would have to incriminate themselves with their own words.  I do believe that attorneys advise clients to clam up during interrogations.

I have not wavered from my position that so-called new evidence was never what was behind the November, 2007 rearrests of Joran, Deepak and Satish.  It was all about the upcoming Range Rover recording.

IMO.

Janet

+++++++

Natalee Holloway Suspects Released, Again
Brothers Were Re-Arrested Last Week In American Teen's Disappearance

On Friday a judge ruled the evidence was not strong enough to continue holding the Kalpoes, and ordered them released.

Aruba chief prosecutor Hans Mos called the decision a setback, but said the investigation will proceed.

"We had hoped for a longer period to confront these suspects with the material we have against them," he said. "We were not finished with that yet. But this is the way the law says it has to go."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/30/world/main3559649.shtml


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2009, 11:10:10 PM
I initially thought Hans Mos was a knight in shining armor in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway when he first arrived on the scene with promises that evidence had been obtained that would finally hold Joran, Deepak and Satish accountable for what happened to Natalee Holloway.  I naively believed that the house of cards was finally going to collapse.

However ... my love affair with Hans Mos did not last long ... maybe two weeks.  It was me who called it off.  I did not shed any tears ... I was angry.  My trusty quotes revealed that I had been betrayed.

After reading John Q. Kelly words to Greta that there was no new evidence ... then there was the release of all three of the suspects ... then there was Hans Mos blaming the family for the failed investigation ... I knew that the new prosecutor from Holland was a participant in the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

There was still the question ....  "Why were the the suspects detained in November, 2007 by the new prosecutor sent from Holland if there was no new evidence?"  Could it be that it was all about the upcoming Range Rover recording ... Range Rover recording that the Dutch Police had been informed about from Patrick van der Eem.

Janet

+++++++++

EVIDENCE!!

ABC NEWS - November 26, 2007


Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


On the Record with Greta - November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


NO EVIDENCE

On the Record w/ Greta - December 04, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  ... I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


THE RELEASE

updated 1:17 p.m. EST, Fri December 7, 2007
Van der Sloot ordered released from Aruba jail


(CNN) -- In a decision that could end hopes for any prosecutions in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, an Aruban judge on Friday ordered the release of a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot.

The other suspects, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were released last week, a decision upheld by a three-judge panel on appeal. Prosecutors said they will not appeal the decision to release van der Sloot, meaning all three suspects will remain free pending any potential trial.

The judge's reasoning in making the decision Friday follows that of the Court of Appeal in the decision to uphold the release of the Kalpoes, Chief Public Prosecutor Hans Mos' office said in a written statement.

"He writes that recent investigation has not resulted in more direct evidence than before that Natalee Holloway has died as a result of a violent crime against her or that the suspect has been involved in such a crime," it said.

The prosecutor's office said that in light of the Court of Appeal's decision on the Kalpoes' release, an appeal of the van der Sloot decision is viewed as "fruitless."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/07/aruba/index.html


THE FAMILY IS AT FAULT

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I sat with the prosecutor, and I actually thought he was a pretty smart guy until all this unfolded. But he told me that the reason the investigation had failed was because of two reasons. One is the family and bringing in the DA who happened to be there on the island at the time. And the other is the media. That's why he said that this has failed.

KELLY: You know, that's so sad because even now, as I speak, as I said, everything I might say based on conversations with him, you know, defense attorneys have had in their hands for 10 days now, two weeks. So it's nothing new being revealed here. And to — you know, he's the one holding press conferences. He's the one that sat down for the long interview with you before I ever spoke to you.

And you know, I'm sure he's a very smart guy, but he had no answers to any of the questions we asked when we were down there. It was kind of sad that even the first questions we started asking him, he had no answers to.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2009, 04:10:44 PM
Apparently the family's attorney and the mother of the victim were for the first time in 2 1/2 years in agreement with the defence attorneys and the judge ... there was not enough evidence to hold the three main suspects.

This is huge when you consider that Beth Holloway is no fan of Judge Smid.

IMO

Janet

+++++


ACCORDING TO DAVID KOCK

December 10, 2007
Natalee Holloway Mystery a Break in the Case?


The prosecutors also have a new take on what happened to Natalee. Whereas before the three were accused of murder, the new charge is voluntary manslaughter, suggesting they now believe her presumed death was an accident. In any event a lawyer for Satish Kalpoe scoffed at the latest developments. "It seems like they shook the file, threw it on the table and qualified some things as new evidence," said attorney David Kock.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20170898,00.html

 
ACCORDING TO RONALD WIX

Dec. 20, 2007
Holloway Suspect Talked Online About Death
Aruba Prosecutor Says Cell Phone Calls And Text Messages Had Spurred Recent Re-Arrests


But Ronald Wix, an attorney for the Kalpoe brothers, denied that prosecutors had new evidence.

"All they did was recycle old evidence and claim it was new evidence," Wix told The Associated Press, adding that his clients felt vindicated by the prosecutor's decision to drop the case.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/20/world/main3636049.shtml


ACCORDING TO JOE TACOPINA

The Lineup - December 2, 2007


TACOPINA:  There's no new evidence, look we're here in December now, they accept their own deadline for December 31. I've seen the 14 pages, there's no new evidence and there's certainly no new incriminating evidence.


ACCORDING TO JOHN Q. KELLY

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  ... I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Holloway Attorney: Pleas for Arrest Met With 'Deafening Silence'
Wednesday, December 03, 2008


Now the Holloway family lawyer John Q. Kelly wants action. In a letter to Aruban Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos, Kelly calls for the arrest of Joran van der Sloot. Joran's father Paulus and the Kalpoe brothers are also included ...

VAN SUSTEREN: It's your letter. What do you want from Hans Mos, and what have you heard from him?

KELLY: Nothing but deafening silence out of Aruba. No, I haven't heard from him.

The point of the letter was, and if you remember last year, Greta, with great fanfare and press releases, and, you know, just all kinds of dog and pony show, they arrested the Kalpoe brothers and Joran for absolutely no reason, no new evidence. Just picked them up and held them for a month.

And now they have new evidence. You have a damning confession by Joran as to serious criminal conduct he engaged in, implicates others. And they haven't done anything with it. And everything Joran has said is consistent with the facts as we know them right now.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460908,00.html


ACCORDING TO BETH HOLLOWAY

The search for Natalee Holloway
By Chris Hansen Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008


The three main suspects, Joran van der Sloot, and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were rearrested.

Dave Holloway broke his vow and rushed back to Aruba along with Beth for special meetings with prosecutors. They were asked to bring medical records.  To their horror, though, they say they ended up talking not about new evidence but were asked probing questions about Natalee’s character.

Beth Holloway: They kept saying that Natalee, you know, was a drug user … She's never had a history of drug use. She's never been in drug rehab. Yeah, I thought that -- then, they don't have anything. They don't have anything, you know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


The Dana Pretzer Show - December 21, 2007

According to Jug Twitty:

She (Beth) said that the prosecutor lied to them when he told them that there was new evidence.


The Lineup - December 2, 2007

Beth Holloway came in this morning about 9 o'clock, about 1/2 hour later than expected in a police station in the city Oranjestadt and after which she was put in a conversation with the prosecuting office, Hans Mos and Dop Kruimel After that was finished both the prosecutors left the office or left the police station and by surprise the interrogators came in and (inaudible) by Dolph Richardson the chief investigator, they started interrogating her which lasted for over 5 hours. She left not very happy and wouldn't say anything on camera. She left the police department about 2:30.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2009, 04:42:44 PM
THE NOVEMBER, 2007 DETENTIONS AND THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING CONNECTION?

Considering there was no new evidence ... inquiring minds want to know what dictated the November, 2007 detentions of Joran, Deepak and Satish by this new prosecutor from the Netherlands.

Could it be that the i's were being dotted and ... the t's being crossed in regards to the upcoming Range Rover recording ... the Range Rover recording that was known to Dutch police ... the Range Rover recording that implicates only Joran in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the Range Rover recording that distances Deepak and Satish who have the ability to implicate Paulus van der Sloot.

IMO

Janet

+++++

THE REARRESTS:  THE TIMING

Meet the Man Who Got Van Der Sloot to Talk About Holloway's Disappearance
Patrick van der Eem Gives the Inside Story to ABC News
February 4, 2008


Setback

"Three days before I was getting my car, he was gone,'' van der Eem said. "Oh, and it was the most … pain in my life. Peter [de Vries], me…everybody was devastated."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4236425&page=2


Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: So what was the plan? When was the first taping? I think there was a little problem with the first taping. You planned it and then Joran got arrested?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's right. The day we were planning to do it, he was arrested.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


THE RANGE ROVER RECORD:  THE TIMING

Mystery Man in Holloway Case Comes Forward
ORANJESTAD, Aruba
Feb. 5, 2008


Late last year, Mos announced that the case would be closed, essentially admitting defeat.

It was after that December release that De Vries' undercover investigation began in earnest.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=3


THE SILENCE OF THE KALPOES - THE TIMING

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: How about Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?

MANSUR: You know, they have played their part extremely well by being so quiet and so silent. I mean, they don't give out any kind of statement, no interviews, nada.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2009, 04:55:25 PM
The November, 2007 rearrest that John Kelly, Beth Holloway, the defence attorneys and the judiciary all concur was not substantiated by any new evidence ... turned into an advantage for Joran van der Sloot.

IMO

Janet

+++++++

Investigators Grill Joran Van der Sloot
The Dutch Suspect Insists He Was Stoned and Made Up 'Confession''
By CHRIS FRANCESCANI and CHRISTINE BROUWER
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
Feb. 8, 2008


Prosecutors on Aruba had sought an arrest warrant for Van der Sloot after viewing the undercover video, which was captured by a Dutch investigative reporting team over the course of several days earlier this month. A judge denied the warrant, telling prosecutors that since Van der Sloot had been arrested and released twice without being charged in the disappearance, that the bar for a third arrest warrant would be "very, very high,'' Aruba's public prosecutor, Hans Mos, said earlier this week.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4263979&page=1&page=1


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2009, 05:02:15 PM
THE WINE THROWING INCIDENT

Pauw and Witteman
Peter Devries, Joran, Anita, Paulus
01/11/08


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2767.msg370253;topicseen#msg370253


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 02, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
The flip flop of Rudy Croes' position 3 1/2 years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway implies that a simple Aruban plan has been put in place to justify to the family and... to America ... why justice did not prevail for Natalee Holloway.

The collaborated plan has a now retired Jan vander Straaten agreeing to be the sacrificial lamb in a so-called internal conflict of interest investigation.  There will no far reaching implications.  The outcome will be that the Aruban house of cards will remain standing.

Think about it.  If Rudy Croes' has the proof in regards to communication records that will implicate Jan vander Straaten in obstructing the investigation ... he also has the proof in regards to communication records that will implicate Paulus van der Sloot in obstructing the investigation.

As in the Range Rover recording ... Paulus van der Sloot is once again being distanced from his role in the cover up agenda encompassing the Natalee Holloway case and ... so is everybody else who participated in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 as well as those who participated in the cover up agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for an 18 year old American citizen and ... put her family through a H--- on Earth for almost five years.

IMO

Janet

+++++++
 

JANUARY, 2008

RUDY CROES:  "BETH AND JUG MUST BE BE INVESTIGATED."

1.18.2008
Natalee abused by stepfather Jug
Amigoe.com
01/17/2008


ORANJESTAD — Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) of Justice is of the opinion that the findings of the two American investigators Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo in the disappearance case of Natalee Holloway, must be seriously considered. The two assert that Natalee’s stepfather Jug Twitty has abused and impregnated her and that her mother Beth knew about it. The two also say that Natalee had died from an overdose two weeks after the night on the beach with Joran van der Sloot when she disappeared. “Joran is innocent”, said the investigators.

They were also in Aruba last year, but there was hardly any attention paid to their stories. Not even Minister Croes, who at that time, two years ago, called them ‘Indian stories’. It was Tourism-minister Edison Briesen that introduced them to Croes, because he thought that the information was important enough to be included in the judicial investigation. Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/01/natalee-abused-by-stepfather-jug-amigoe.html


DECEMBER, 2008

RUDY CROES:  "JAN VANDER STRATTEN MUST BE INVESTIGATED."

‘Van der Sloot father hindered Natalee probe’
Thursday 04 December 2008


Dutchman Jan van der Straten, who was police commissioner on the Caribbean island of Aruba when US teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared, seriously hindered the investigation in the first few days, Aruban justice minister Rudy Croes is quoted as saying by news agency ANP.

ANP says Croes claims Van der Straten was slow to take action in order to help his friend Paul van der Sloot protect his son Joran, who was suspected of being involved in the disappearance. Such rumours have circulated on the island for some time, ANP says.

According to ANP, Croes made the statement following criticism of the Aruban police force made by Van der Straten earlier this week.

Questioning

Croes said that Joran and two other suspects were only taken in for questioning 10 days after Holloway went missing ‘when the first days are crucial in a disappearance’. And he claims he heard Van der Straten say ‘I cannot do that to my friend Paul’.

Croes also claims there were a lot of telephone conversations between Van der Sloot senior and Van der Straten  and that a ‘second class’ police team was put on the investigation. ‘It was the team used during the carnival celebrations,’ ANP reports him as saying.

In addition, Croes accuses the Dutch government of failing to provide any moral support to Aruba. He says the Aruban authorities were pressurised to present Joran van der Sloot as an Aruban, not a Dutch national.

ANP does not say when and where Croes made the comments, or if it had picked them up from another source.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/12/van_der_sloots_father_hindered.php

TJ


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 02, 2009, 04:12:37 PM
A REMINDER

The outcome of the Range Rover recordings have been beneficial in more ways than one in furthering the Aruban coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway. 

What I perceive as a collaborated hoax ... the Range Rover recording effectively:

1.  negated the involvement of the Kalpoes.
2.  negated the possibility that the Kalpoes would implicate Paulus.
3.  negated the possibility that the Kalpoes would implicate those who assisted Paulus.
4.  negated the possibility that the Kalpoes would implicate the sons of the elite.
5.  distanced the corrupt investigation.
6.  negated the gardner's court testimony.
7.  negated the witness and suspect statements.
8.  negated the suspicions that dictated the detainment of all suspects.
9.  appeased ... to a degree ... the family of Natalee Holloway.
10. negated the trap/cage discovered by the Persistence and its contents recovered unchallenged by the Aruban enemy.
11. negated Joran's extent of involvement regarding wrongdoing encompassing Natalee's demise.
12. furthered the possibility of a successful outcome to the Kalpoe's defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 02, 2009, 04:25:30 PM
When all is said and done ... I do not believe that Beth Holloway will be appeased by Aruban's ATTEMPTS to bring the case to a close.  Aruba will learn soon enough her ATTEMPTS failed and ...Beth will not abandon her 40 year quest for the truth encompassing the disappearance of her daughter.

1.  I concede that the only truth in the entire Range Rover recording ... the only truth which implied that her daughter is deceased ... has given Beth a certain peace of mind.  However ... I also give Beth credit that she recognizes that something is not right with the Range Rover recording  considering only Joran was implicated ... implicated in a misdemeanor felony.

2.  I also suspect that there is no way that Beth Holloway will embrace Rudy Croes' contention that Jan vander Straaten was the only official within the investigation responsible for justice not prevailing for her precious daughter.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 03, 2009, 12:46:25 PM
Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: What -- how did you know Patrick?

DE VRIES: Well, Patrick came up to me because in Holland, it is known that I'm intrigued and interested in the disappearance of Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does Patrick do for a living? Who is he?

DE VRIES: Patrick is a businessman. He has his own business. He has a criminal record for 12 or 13 years ago. He was convicted for drugs possession. But after that, he became a respected businessman.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is his business, do you know?

DE VRIES: Yes, it's a technical thing. I don't know exactly what it is, but it's OK.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


PATRICK VAN DER EEM

Van de Sloot mole beats wife with crowbar
Tuesday 28 April 2009


Patrick van der Eem, who befriended Joran van der Sloot and then secretly recorded him confessing to being with Natalee Holloway when she died, has been give a 30 hour community service sentence for hitting his girlfriend with a crowbar  

Trouw reports that Van der Eem was found guilty of attacking the woman in Arnhem last December. He claimed to have been under the influence of drugs at the time.

Van der Eem has a known cocaine addiction and was said to have used drugs while making the recordings of Van de Sloot speaking about the American teenager's disappearance.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/04/van_de_sloot_mole_beats_wife_w.php


Holloway case arrest in Aruba
Published on 26 August 2009 - 10:14pm


Aruban police have arrested Patrick van der Eem in a hotel in Oranjestad. Van der Eem gained notoriety when he befriended Joran van der Sloot, the chief suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, and secretly recorded him boasting about his role in Ms Holloway's disappearance.

Van de Eem was working for Dutch crime reporter Peter R de Vries and the tapes were broadcast on Dutch and US television. The programme won Mr de Vries an Emmy award. Van der Eem's participation in the programme was controversial as he has a number of convictions.
 
Police arrested him after he allegedly stayed in the Radidsson hotel without paying and threatened hotel personnel. Police say he had cocaine on his person at the time of his arrest and he had also stayed at three other expensive hotels in Aruba and left without paying.
 
Natalee vanished on the Caribbean island of Aruba - part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands - on 30 May 2005. Joran van der Sloot has been arrested twice in connection with her disappearance, but without conclusive evidence he has never been brought to trial.

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/holloway-case-arrest-aruba


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 03, 2009, 10:25:10 PM
I am attempting to comprehend what aspect of the Range Rover confession by Joran van der Sloot reflects the truth other than the apparent seizure Natalee suffered in his presence.

Backup quotes will be provided upon request.  I am not sure what is  appreciated.  I am d----- if I do and ... I am d----- if I don't.

Janet

++++++++

THE RANGE ROVER CONFESSION

THE TRUTH

1.  SEIZURE

The Range Rover Transcript:
The Archives:


THE LIES

1.  PAYPHONE

The Range Rover Transcript:
The Archives:

2.  DAURY
The Range Rover Transcript:
The Archives:

3.  MANNER OF DISPOSAL
The Range Rover Transcript:
The Archives:

4.  SHOES
The Range Rover Transcript:
The Archives:

5.  NON-INVOLVEMENT OF PAULUS
The Range Rover Transcript:
The Archives:

6.  NON-INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
The Range Rover Transcript:
The Archives:

7.  WYNDHAM SECURITY CAMERA
The Range Rover Transcript:
The Archives:

______


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2009, 11:35:37 AM
THE LIES

7.  WYNDHAM SECURITY CAMERA

The Range Rover Transcript:

Joran:  No he isn't dumb, he was sitting there and he said, "Joran you also know, I would not do this myself, but this is going to be a huge problem."  He said, "No matter what, no matter what, you are going to get blamed for this."  And I said, "Yes." I said, "Yes, I don't know also, I don't know what I have to do, I cannot go to the police, I cannot solve this." His boat was standing there by the pier, and I knew that also, you know, and he told me, then help me for a while, so we have taken to the boat .
 
Patrick:  Lifted her up.
 
Joran: Yes, the two of us just quickly.
 
Patrick:   And nobody saw you then either?
 
Joran:   Nobody.
 
Patrick:  Yes, but it is near the Marriott, these boats there?
 
Joran: Yes, but there is nobody, Nobody pays attention, you are walking there in the dark.  Even if you walk there with someone they think you are playing.
 
Patrick:  Probably think someone is drunk.
 
Joran:  They do not pay attention at all.  He said to me, what did he say to me, umm, when we were there he said to me, "You do have to go to school tomorrow and stuff.  Because, if there is a missing girl then, umm".
 
Patrick:  He's smart, Joran.
 
Joran: I knew these things too. I said, "You're so right. I just have to do normal things. And on top of that I'm going to the casino to make sure I am on camera and stuff," and he said, "Ok that is fine."

 
The Archives:

LOVING NATATLEE - BETH HOLLOWAY

Page 48:
  It’s about three o’clock in the morning .  It’s a school night.  They (Joran and Deepak) aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino.  They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts.  I make a mental note that I will ask to be the casino footage from the Wyndham later on.  Just to see if they were really there tonight – or, rather, this morning.

Page 121:  And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2009, 11:38:35 AM
A DROWNING OR A DISPOSAL OF A BODY?

It appears that Peter Devries is determined that Joran van der Sloot is not going to be implicated in anything more serious than the felony of disposing of a body.  Was that the collaborated plan?

Think about it ... Joran concedes to Patrick van der Eem in the Range Rover recording that he could not be sure that Natalee Holloway was deceased prior to disposal.

Why is Peter Devries upholding the Aruban coverup agenda that implies that the only wrongdoing that Joran van der Sloot confessed to was the felony of assisting in the disposal of a "body" which ... under Dutch law ... is a misdemeanor.

Janet

+++++

ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?


If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives.  During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


ACCORDING TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Range Rover Transcripts

Patrick: How did you know she was dead?
 
Joran: She didn't move anymore.
 
Patrick: And Daury, did he check?

Joran: Yeah, he stood over her and looked at her.

Patrick: That's it? What if she was in coma?  

Joran: Uh...I don't know. I didn't know [if she was dead], she could have been in a coma.  I didn't feel her, but it didn't look good.  I didn't know fuckin sure she was dead.  Daury looked at her and said she was dead. He just looked at her and said, she's dead.  Could've been a coma.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2009, 11:51:46 AM
THE ARUBAN HOUSE OF CARDS WILL REMAIN STANDING

In the past 4 1/2 years ... where was Mike Eman's voice on behalf of justice for Natalee Holloway while in opposition?  In the past 4 1/2 years ... where were the voices of AVP members?

Considering the far reaching implications in regards to those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were involve in the cover up agenda ... I do not have hope that justice for Natalee Holloway is going to come out of Aruba.

I suspect that there will be attempts at appeasement by offering the family segments/crumbs of the whole truth but ... I do not have faith that Mike Eman is not going to allow the Aruban house of cards to collapse.

Janet

++++++

The attempted Aruban appeasing of the family is two-fold without anybody being held legally accountable:

1.  Is our daughter deceased?  Where is she?

Beth and Dave

The Range Rover confession reveals in Joran van der Sloot own words that he witnessed Natalee's demise and assisted in the ocean disposal of her body.  Charges were attempted by the prosecutor but the judiciary would not comply.

Sincerely
Spokesman of the Public Ministry


2.  What about the cover up in the Aruban investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for our daughter.

Beth and Dave

Aruba apologizes.  Our internal investigations revealed that conflicts of interest implies that Jan vander Straaten compromised the investigation in the first ten days but ... as Mr. vander Straaten  has now retired from public service ... disciplinary action is not possible.
 
Sincerely
Spokesman of the Public Ministry





Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2009, 11:54:38 AM

Without open discussions...we go nowhere......

There was a time when Hans Mos, John Silvetti, Kyle Kingman and the four-headed CapLockWizard were held above reproach by many in regards to furthering the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway.  Thankfully open discussion was afforded to those with opposing positions and ... the truth was allowed to prevail.

Janet


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2009, 12:03:13 PM
BETH HOLLOWAY:  PEACE OF MIND

Beth know all aspects of the Natalee Holloway story.  She knows better than anyone that ... other than the seizure segment of the Range Rover recording ... every word that came out of Joran's lips were lies.

Janet

+++++

Beth Holloway on Joran van der Sloot's 'Confession'
Thursday, February 07, 2008 


VAN SUSTEREN: All right, Beth, let me ask you the question that's typically asocial question, but I don't mean just to be polite and social. How are you?

HOLLOWAY: Well, actually, Greta, you know, I (INAUDIBLE) a lot of peace and comfort in finally knowing what happened, and it's just validation of the fight, and feels good, Greta. It does. It feels good.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2009, 12:26:17 PM
PATRICK VANDER EEM

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2009, 01:23:20 PM
Considering I hold the position that justice for Natalee Holloway will never emerge from an Aruban court ... the John Silvetti/Tim Trahan betrayal ... participation in the furthering of the Aruban coverup is my primary and final focus.

Kyle Kingman's own words as well as the ROV footage provide a foundation that has the ability to provide a measure of closure for the family.  Maybe ... just maybe ... an 18 year old American citizen can be brought home to rest on American soil if appropriate steps are taken.

Distancing Kyle Kingman's own words regarding events encompassing the trap/cage implies the Aruban coverup agenda is being furthered.

Janet

+++++++

According to Peter Devries ... the Range Rover confession ...

1.  Distances Kyle Kingman's own words in regards to the events encompassing the trap/cage and ... distances the Aruban recovery of the trap/cage contents.

THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea ...

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


2.  Negates the ROV screen shot and ... Kyle Kingman's own words that imply that a shoes inside the trap/cage was case related.

THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


... After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 06, 2009, 08:42:51 PM
All about justice for Natalee Holloway?

Did Peter Schouten inform the networks which he was in negotiations with that there was only ONE truth in the entire the Red Rover recording?  Did Peter Devries inform ABC prior to negotiating a $830,000 deal?  Was ABC aware that the words that spew out of Joran van der Sloot's lips were nothing but lies ... words that could all be disputed.  Think about it.  Peter Devries had an indepth knowledge of the Natalee Holloway story.  He knew.

Could $830,000 be behind the reason there was no deal negotiated between Peter Devries and Kyle Kingman in regards to the trap/cage footage ... the trap/cage footage that would reveal that Joran's FULL confession ... which did not allude to a trap/cage in the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body ... was not a FULL confession after all.

Janet

++++++

Overboard - Patrick vander Eem

Peter Schouten is a man that you like or you don’t. He can be long winded, loud and theatrical. I didn’t like him at first but somehow he grew on me. If you stuck around long enough you found a man who you could trust and laugh with.

Because I would get half of the revenue of the sales of news clips to other stations I hoped that he knew what he was doing. I did not expect much, because Schouten had only four working days to get it done and today was his deadline. Because of this crazy time schedule he had proposed a strategy not to sell the footage of the car as news clips to all networks in the States but to cut an exclusive deal with one. Until that Thursday the inner circle of people who knew about this operation had been extremely small. The slightest hint that Joran had made a confession on tape would have gone round like wildfire. That created an enormous problem for Schouten. How to sell something if you can’t tell the potential buyers what it is?

Earlier I had overheard some people in the smoking room wondering about that too and there somebody said: ‘Don’t worry about him.  That man can sell sand to the Arabs.’
 
 Schouten also worked tireless hours with the help of Peter R’s daughter Kelly de Vries, brought in due to the secretive nature of the footage, to prepare a plan to handle the press during the onslaught we all expected from media at both sides on the Atlantic Ocean. They were both ready for it.
 
Today Schouten was running frantic negotiations with the Disney-network ABC to organize an exclusive deal. They had already sent a producer on the plane the day before, Jessica Velmans, a Dutch woman who emigrated to the States when she was three years old, but still spoke almost perfect Dutch. Schouten warned us all about that because she had to be left in the blind until the confidentiality agreement was signed. Secrecy was so crucial, that even the subtitles prepped for Beth were made from Schouten’s desk directly since it was still to risky to bring in the usual outside translators. That is how I met Elizabeth Byars, my co-author of this book, who was brought in by Schouten to produce the subtitles and the text for the US-website of the show. The level of secrecy that we kept up all these weeks was amazing and would
have made the CIA proud.

... The ironic thing of it all is that I roughly got my three hundred thousand Euros after all but in a way completely unexpected. When Peter R offered me half of the rights on foreign sold clips I was told not to expect much. Endemol had no experience selling these clips and even if they did the shelf life of the product is short, only a few days, and seldom sells for much. No one could have predicted that Peter Schouten would walk in and in a matter of days strike an exclusive deal with ABC for 830,000 dollars. Endemol themselves managed to sell only a few thousand Euros worth in Europe. That delivered me just a few hundred Euros shy of the random number I pulled out of my ass for the police. Three hundred thousand turned out to be the lucky number in the cosmic lottery.


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics.  DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kyle Kingman:  Right before the Dateline special aired Tim and Louis asked if I could go to ABC to try to sell the footage in an attempt to recoup some of the money invested in the search efforts. ABC was very interested, but decided to wait until the Dateline special aired. After the show they came back to me and declined to purchase it because they felt too much of the story was already told by Dateline. That ended any communication with ABC. About 6 executive producers saw the footage, but none were allowed copies or any pictures. Everything remained in my possesion.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 07, 2009, 12:29:34 PM
In regards to the shoes ... Joran van der Sloot could not keep his story straight.  Nevertheless ... when the screen shots provided by Kyle Kingman is taken into consideration ... I contend that neither story reflects the truth.


Janet

++++++++


THE RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

THE SHOES

1.  Joran van der Sloot:  "I threw them away."


Joran:  No.  These shoes I have thrown them away, I have thrown them away myself. On the way to there... on the way to home... 

Patrick: You just took them off. 

Joran: No, on the way to there, you have these puts (drains or manholes)... 

Patrick: Riolering (storm drains) or something. 

Joran: Yes.


2.  Joran van der Sloot:  "I kept my them."
Patrick:  All I can think is that there is something about those shoes that you do not want them to see.
 
Joran:  No, of course not. I still have those shoes. I just told those dudes that I left my shoes behind. So dumb


THE ROV SCREEN SHOTS

THE SHOE

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
« Reply #770 on: March 07, 2008, 02:40:46 PM »

 
As far as the beak-in at the huts:

As I see it there are two possibilities.  First, the fish huts were actually broken into and therefore likely related to the case. Alternatively, the door was kicked in by the Police during the search within a couple days of Natalee's dissapearance and a lovely new knife taken in the process.
 
In either case, a trap, a sneaker, and a girl went missing.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362152#msg362152


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #770 9/20/08 through
« Reply #587 on: September 25, 2008, 12:15:01 AM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.msg469889;topicseen#msg469889


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 07, 2009, 01:55:37 PM
Joran van der Sloot could not keep his story straight in regards to how many were involved in assisting him in the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body.  Nevertheless ... I do not believe the truth reflect either story considering Joran does not elude to a trap/cage ... a trap/cage that according to ROV screen shots as well as Kyle Kingman's own words ... in all probability ... contained Natalee Holloways remains.

Janet

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THE RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

THE MANNER OF DISPOSAL

1.  Joran van der Sloot ... "They ..."  "Them ..."


Joran: They dumped her in the ocean.
____

Patrick: did you swim? 

Joran: No. I knew people who could help me, but I dont want to name them. She will not be found


2.  Joran van der Sloot:  "He ..."   "Daury ..."   "A friend ..."  "His ..."  "Two of us ..."

Patrick:  You don't know?  He never told you how he did it? 

Joran:  Of course he did. 

Patrick:   How then? 

Joran:  He just went into the ocean. farther away.   Then he dumped her.
____

Patrick:   What's his name?
 
Joran:  Daury 

Patrick:  Daury what?   Is he Dutch? 

Joran:  No, well, yes. Half Dutch, half Arubaans. Dutch mother, or something like that.
___ 

Joran:  His boat was standing there by the pier, and I knew that also, you know, and he told me, then help me for a while, so we have taken to the boat 

Patrick:  Lifted her up. 

Joran: Yes, the two of us just quickly.
_____
 
Patrick:  You walk home and he sails (varen) out straight away? 

Joran:  He sails out straight away.  From what he told me, from what he told me, I think he did not even went out two kilometers or so. He told me he just took the boat, went far, threw her out, and came back. Put the boat back, and he then came to visit me at home. And we talked for some time.


ACCORDING TO THE PERSISTENCE' ROV ANALYST

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver (Jan 7) sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


ROV SCREEN SHOTS

Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24 -
« Reply #498 on: February 26, 2008, 09:01:58 PM »


Wow...someone sent me these pictures (anonymously to my email link on the FP of SM) that were posted on another site.  Real clear pictures of the trap and what they thought they saw in it.  Thanks to whoever sent them!

ROV Images:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355959#msg355959


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 07, 2009, 02:45:40 PM
Think about it.  Kyle Kingman ... the ships ROV operator and analyst ... must have been convinced that the ROV footage revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that cage/trap or he would not have gone behind the backs of John Silvetti, Hans Mos and Dolphi Richardson and ... sent screen shots to the FBI.  In his own words ... Kyle Kingman shares with the Natalee's Freebirds his and Tim Miller's concerns on December 30th in regards to taking the word of the Aruban divers that the contents of the cage were not cage related.

Obviously ... if truthful ... the implication of Joran van der Sloots "full" confession in the Range Rover recording is that Natalee Holloway's remains were not inside that trap.

I am a believer in Kyle Kingsman's own words.

Janet

+++++++

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 01:47:47 PM »


Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 08, 2009, 02:40:12 PM
On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.

++++++++++++


According to Patrick vander Eem's own words in OVERBOARD … it was the Dutch Central Intelligence Agency that contacted Patrick when on-going surveillance of Joran van der Sloot revealed that the two had formed a relationship.  It was a Dutch Central Intelligence agent who suggested that Patrick contact Peter Devries when Patrick revealed all regarding his intentions of secretly obtaining a confession from the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case was revealed.
 
In my opinion ... collaborating with the enemy for a positive outcome … the enemy who has preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway from the getgo … does not make sense unless … motives are self-serving.
________

THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING AND THE DUTCH CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY CONNECTION

Overboard - Patrick vander Eeem


Heidi tells me a beat cop from the city area Broek in Arnhem has called her mother asking all kinds of questions about who drives in our Toyota RAV4. That was the car I was driving at the time but it was in my mother in laws name. Questions from a cop? I’m thinking what the hell. I can’t imagine what they want with me. So I call this guy back.
 
The cops name is Frank and let me just start by saying we need a thousand more like him. Beat cops have to have a special bond with the community. They need to be aware of what is going on there and know the people. I have nothing but praise for the care and effort this man put into his job. Having been on the wrong side of the law I don’t often have nice words for most police officers but Frank is an exception. He had even checked into my company, Pirtek, once he had my name and found out it was registered to me only.
 
‘Good afternoon, officer. I heard you wanted to speak to me. What can I do for you?’  He’s very nice on the phone.  Tells me he’s been seeing me around quite a bit, driving with my music up. ‘I’m a little confused,’ I tell him. ‘I know that I’m not driving too fast and the stereo is not too loud so those can’t be a problem.’

Could it be that I have this Joran van der Sloot in the car with me?’ Yes that hit the nail on the head. The Broek precinct is next to  where Joran’s house is located.  The car had been seen there and he and I driving had been spotted often and now this officer was inquiring about it.
 
‘Do you want to talk to me about it? Frank asked. I have to hand it to this guy for being that observant. This was the opening I had needed.

‘Not that you don’t seem like a nice enough guy,  Frank, but I don’t think you’re the right person to talk to about this. No offence. I need someone higher up.’

The officer fell silent for just two seconds, but was surprisingly helpful about it all. He said he understood and that he would contact the right people for me. ‘Someone will call you.  Take care Patrick’.

You have to reflect on the beauty of how the universe is ordered. Here I had it wrapped in a neat little bow. I suppose it could be called God, karma or fate, but whatever it was, it was working in high gear. I had wanted to meet Joran and I did. I had high hopes for him to talk and I even had to stop him. I had needed the cops and here they were.

Frank had been a diligent beat cop and done his homework. Whatever was to come, I could not say that I had the  cop and done his homework. Whatever was to come, I could not say that I had the world against me. Everything had lined up perfectly. I had two aces in my hand and the powers that be gave me a third on the flop. Now all I had to do was play my cards right.

It took a week and a half for someone to contact me. As they say the waiting is the hardest part but there was nothing to be done about it since you can’t directly contact the CIE (Criminal Information Unit of the Dutch police which collects information on organized crime and big crime cases). They have to call you.

Frank had passed along that the information was pertaining to Joran van der Sloot. I told the man on the phone that I befriended Joran with the purpose of getting him to talk and that it might be interesting for them if we speak. Within a week I had an appointment to meet two CIE agents.
 
While I waited for this contact, I had time to think about what exactly I wanted out of all of this. It never hurt to aim high and see what you get.  You don’t get anywhere if you aim for the ground and not the stars. This was a real official channel and a shot like this was once in a lifetime. In my daydreams I put together the package deal to get three hundred thousand Euros and that it would all take place in a large hall where I would set up a weed plantation. Ideally I wanted to keep the plants when the whole sting was done. In return all the information they ever wanted on the Natalee Holloway case would be delivered to them.
 
Yes, it sounded steep, but this was not a small operation. Half would be used for start up money on the plantation and the other half would go to me which I would use to cover my time and expenses. I had already dumped quite a large amount of money into this project and it would be nice to recoup some of it.

The meeting was set at the Rijnhotel a cute little hotel in Arnhem next to the river the Rhine near the German border for eight in the evening. When I arrived I spotted the two agents immediately. A man and a woman. You could have surrounded them with a room full of people and I would have still picked them out.  They had that typical cop look. He was around 45, in good athletic condition, six feet tall and had a huge mustache.  Honestly, it was the type of mustache you only pictured on a cop. She was so extremely background it actually made her stand out and of course had half long half short hair. I really don’t remember too many of her features. I was kind of distracted by that massive mustache that nothing else really existed.
 
I had been told to bring my passport and they asked for it right away. No problem, I handed it to them and they handed me little plastic cards to show they worked for CIE. They came from Rotterdam, the Dutch harbor city. I asked if they had a business card for me to keep but they didn’t.  They told me this meeting never happened and they would never admit that it had so there was no need to exchange cards. Now, I know I should have remembered their names. They introduced themselves and I read it on the ID-cards but for the life of me I can’t. It didn’t seem important at the time because after the meeting it was clear they weren’t going to help me.
 
They sipped coffee and tea during the meeting. Very professional of them to stay away from the beer while working. I also like to avoid alcohol while I’m snorting and ordered a coffee. We chatted a little. I explained who I was and gave them some background. Although it was probably unnecessary since they would have pulled any files the police had on me. The Moustache said he had kids too, which was a nice way to bond with me during our chat. Then I laid everything out in front of them in detail. How I had met Joran and how I had been speaking with him everyday. I knew he would talk. I put my whole plan on the table, the weed plantation, the money, the cameras and taps. I went to great lengths to explain so they would see how brilliant it could all be if done right. When I had finished, the two agents looked like they had been given more than they bargained for.
 
Moustache took the lead in talking. He seemed quite convinced that this was all impossible. The money would never be approved and the police just did not get involved in operations like this. It was just not the way things were done.
 
‘You don’t have many questions,’ I taunted. ‘Do you really think your bosses would like you making decisions what happens or not without at least informing them what’s on the table?’
   
‘Well it doesn’t really work like that.’ Moustache started to repeat himself.  ‘Besides,before we can do anything you have to become a registered informer for us.’ What they proposed was I sign up as part of their infiltrator network and provide them with not just this case but help them with many others.
 
‘Look, this is the first and the last time I want to hear anything about that.’ I made sure they knew in no uncertain terms that I had no interest in becoming a stool pigeon. What I was doing with Joran was an exception to my normal lifestyle.
 
Moustache did not seem pleased with this. I think they had hoped that I would turn informer on my friends and former underworld ties. They would have a long wait for that to happen. Hell would have to freeze over first and with the rate of global warming that was not likely.
 
They told me they would need time to confer about what we had talked about. That seemed normal enough. Perhaps it was just all one big negotiation tactics. That became even more probable when they asked in their closing if they could come with  a counter proposal because the money really would not work.
 
‘Everything is on the table for discussion.  You can come back with what you like but if the money is not good enough I do not see us working together. Just remember I will get this done with or without you.’
 
Moustache seemed amused with that. ‘Well this Joran certainly has found trouble in you.’
 
They paid for everything.  The bill wasn’t much and they paid cash. When we parted it was agreed they would call me again with whatever the decision or counter proposal might be.

Walking away I had to shake my head. The meeting had lasted about an hour and all said it could have been handled better. It felt as if I had met a stone wall before I ever got started. I was playing hardball with the money but in truth if they came with a  decent counter offer I would listen. What would I do with the information if they didn’t want to use it? I had never even thought about it before. If the cops decided that they didn’t want to help me, my only other option would be Peter R. Devries or a news program to get the truth out.

Peter R. Devries had his own crime show on Dutch television and the things he had accomplished were amazing. He is an experienced crime reporter who put his skills and resources to solving cold cases and exposing injustice and governmental hypocrisy. He solved murders like a larger than life Sherlock Holmes. I knew he once personally tracked down the main kidnapper of Heineken in Paraguay, at that time the most wanted criminal of Holland, while the beer company had an army of investigators searching in vain. In many of his shows he used hidden cameras. He had done a show on Joran the year before and I knew he would jump on this but I wanted to give the police their chance. I mean, yeah, getting paid would be good but I had to do the right thing first.

The phone call from CIE took about two weeks. I saw them a few days later in the same hotel at eight again. They had talked with their superiors and they did not like my idea.

The money was not possible and the weed plantation certainly out of the question.  However they were convinced I had to become a mole for them and start giving them information on other activities.
 
‘This is the second time you’ve brought this up to me and really I have had enough of it.  It will not happen.  You have no advice for me on Joran? No counter proposal?’  They didn’t. In fact they did not even discuss Joran.  All they could fixate on was me turning informer for them. They spoke of drugs and the help I could give them on busting up some major crime networks in Arnhem and surroundings. Their pitch was on everything else but Joran. I was livid. What the hell were these people playing at with this?
 
I laughed at them. ‘I have a job, my own business. I make more money than you and your partner combined. How is that going to work? What are you going to give me for it? It wouldn’t matter anyway because everyone would laugh in my face and within three months I would be dead. I am not interested in becoming a stoolie for you.’ Not that there was any price high enough, but any person in the world is curious enough to ask ‘what do you pay for it actually?’ Unfortunately they were unwilling to discuss any compensation package. Seems to me like a data gathering process by a specialist police unit that will never fly if you want to put snitches out there.
 
I brought them back to Joran. ‘I guess we have no deal then.’ They needed to confer again and could they call me back. ‘Fine you do that.

This was starting to feel like a big waste of my time. What the hell were they thinking? What the hell had I been thinking? The entire meeting it was as if Joran did not exist. They were only interested in what I could give them about my other exploits. They had done nothing with my proposal. I doubt anyone higher up had even heard. By the third meeting, same place, same time, I was really done with it. In total it must  have lasted a whole fifteen minutes and even that was too long. Again they told me the money was impossible and that they only wanted me as one of their regular informants‘.

And what about Joran now?’  ‘Just go to Peter R. Devries,’ the Moustache advised.
 
That just floored me. During all three meetings his name was never mentioned and now the police left their job to a crime reporter? Well gee, I already thought of that myself. Thanks for the help, guys. Glad you’re out there protecting the public. Makes me feel safe.  So there it was. The police turned their backs on it. To be honest I would have taken a counter proposal.  The money wasn’t that important. I mean in the end I didn’t get it anyway so what does it matter. The police made the same mistake with me as many people did with Joran when they tried to make him talk. They jumped in and wanted everything on their agenda all at once. It was like trying to marry a girl before you had  dated. It just won’t happen.

They could have made a counter offer and I would have listened. It could have been something like: ‘Well we can’t grow the weed because we are police and that would be entrapment and we can’t give you the money because that is not in our budget, but when you hand us receipts of your expenses we can compensate them. How about making a new plan together to install recording equipment somewhere? We also hear there is a reward for information as to what happened to Natalee. We would give you a huge amount of credit in the press.’

That I would have considered. Hell, I would have gone for it. After all, the money would be nice but it was not my sole reason for doing all this. Then when we had wrapped up the Joran thing, they could have tried to get me as a stool pigeon. I would have never done it, but at least it would have shown some logical thinking at their side. From a simple beat cop, I get a thousand times better results than from the top police agency  in Holland. Frankly, the CIE should be ashamed. They should promote Frank. If there were a hell of a lot more like him the cops wouldn’t have an image problem.

So there I was back where I started and three weeks wasted. What to do now? The answer was pretty clear. I had thought it and the cop had said it. I would get in touch with Peter R. Devries.   Why not? I would have to figure out how to contact him but that couldn’t be too difficult. Otherwise he would never get tips.

A cold thought was  creeping into my head. What if he didn’t want it either? What if I could get Joran’s confession and no one wanted to listen? That would be ironic.

TB




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2009, 10:24:04 PM
Peter Devries has an indepth knowledge of the Natalee Holloway case.  He knows beyond a doubt that Joran van der Sloot is spewing lies when he states in the Range Rover confession that Deepak and Satish were not participants in the happenings encompassing the demise of an 18 year old American citizen.  Two prosecutors who were assigned to the case claim otherwise.  Suspicions that three times warranted the detainment of the Kalpoe brothers did not materialize from a vacuum.

Janet

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PETER DEVRIES - RANGE ROVER RECORDING

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008


GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2009, 10:27:15 PM
DEEPAK KALPOE AND SATISH KALPOE

FIRST ARREST - JUNE, 2005 - KARIN JANSSEN

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005


Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


SECOND ARREST - AUGUST, 2005 - KARIN JANSSEN

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET


HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I don`t think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.

GRACE: OK, what new evidence, Helen?

LEJUEZ: The rape case.

GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?

LEJUEZ: Right now, they`re talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them.

GRACE: Right.

LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it`s not out that the other suspect that`s in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Kalpoe Brothers Re-Arrested
Tuesday, August 30, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY:  Well, I think it's a big moment, Greta. You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.

… Well, it means that the investigation is moving forward and there's hope that we might go towards a trial because, at first, I was doubting whether we were even facing a trial. It shows that the police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html


THIRD ARREST - NOVEMBER, 2007 - HANS MOS

Three Young Men Re-Arrested in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Thursday, November 22, 2007


Dutch student Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway, the prosecutor's office said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312488,00.html


Aruba's Chief Prosecutor on New Evidence Against Holloway Suspects
Tuesday, November 27, 2007


Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.  "We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


updated 1:17 p.m. EST, Fri December 7, 2007
Van der Sloot ordered released from Aruba jail


All three suspects, who were arrested and released during the investigation in 2005, were rearrested November 21, with authorities citing new and incriminating evidence against them. That new evidence has not been disclosed, but Mos has said it was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/07/aruba/index.html


Aruba's Chief Prosecutor on New Evidence Against Holloway Suspects
Tuesday, November 27, 2007


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS, ARUBA'S CHIEF PROSECUTOR:  And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2009, 10:53:08 PM
ACCORDING TO DUTCH LAW

Arlene Ellis-Schipper - Aruban Attorney
Nancy Grace - July 20, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html


Noraina Pietersz - Aruban Attorney
Associated Press- June 9, 2005


Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 10, 2009, 01:40:46 AM
According to the Kalpoes attorney ... the distancing of the Deepak and Satish by Joran van der Sloot in the Range Rover recording paved the way for a successful outcome in the defamation lawsuit again Phil McGraw.

Janet

+++++++ 


Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil
   

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2009, 06:32:16 PM
THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS:  THE DIRECT IMPLICATIONS
 
In my opinion ... other than a reference to Natalee Holloway having a seizure in his presence ... a reference that can be corroborated by the archives ... every word that spew forth out of the mouth of Joran van der Sloot in the Road Ranger recordings was a lie … a lie that furthered some aspect of the Aruban cover-up agenda ... the Aruban cover-agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for an 18 year old American citizen since May 30, 2005.
 
Could it be that a collaborated projected outcome was to implicate ONLY Joran van der Sloot in a misdemeanor under Dutch law … a misdemeanor of assisting in the disposal of a body while … at the same time …directly distancing Paulus van der Sloot ... directly distancing the Kalpoe brothers ... directly rendering the trap/cage discovered by the Persistence endeavour as not case related and ... directly rendering the trap/cage contents  recovered on January 7, 2008 by the Aruban enemy as not case related?
 
Could it be that the collaborated projected outcome was meant to provide the mother of Natalee Holloway who refused to be silenced with a measure of closure ... a measure of closure that implied that her daughter was no longer alive?  Could it be that that Aruba/Holland anticipated this measure of closure would suffice Beth Holloway and ... she would cease her 40 year quest for answers?
 
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Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2009, 06:34:46 PM
THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS:  THE DIRECT IMPLICATIONS
 
PART ONE:  THE “ONLY” TRUTH
 
1.  SEIZURE
 
 
PART TWO:  THE LIES
 
1.  PAYPHONE
2.  DAURY
3.  THE DISPOSAL
4.  THE SHOES
5.  PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT
6.  DEEPAK AND SATISH
7.  WYNDHAM SECURITY CAMERA

 
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Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2009, 06:37:39 PM
THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS:  THE DIRECT IMPLICATIONS
 
PART ONE:  THE “ONLY” TRUTH
 
1.  SEIZURE
 
The Road Ranger Transcript:

 
JORAN:  So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did. Shaking, yes, very bad. So I was like, "Shit, what is this?"
 
 
The Archives:
 
CNN Larry King Live - February 7, 2008
 
BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALIE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  When he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?
 
And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2009, 06:39:18 PM
PART TWO:  THE LIES
 
1.  PAYPHONE
 
The Road Ranger Transcript:

 
JORAN:  I told Daury, Something bad has happened, something bad.
 
PATRICK:  Where did you talk to him?
 
JORAN:  The payphone, from the Marriott hotel.
 
PATRICK:  In the lobby?
 
JORAN:  No outside by the pool. I always sit there
 
 
The Archives:
 
On the Record w/ Greta – February 5, 2008

 
JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S ATTORNEY:  The pay phone that's outside the Marriott that De Vries, this journalist, says he authenticated and went and checked out -- there's no a pay phone that you can make local calls on. We've spoken to the Aruban coast guard as recently as yesterday. It's been part of the initial investigation. It was submitted to this judge in determining the validity of this tape. This pay phone is an international call pay phone where you can only make outgoing calls. They have call logs of it, and the call logs do not support any calls made that night.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328565,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2009, 06:40:52 PM
2.  DAURY
 
The Road Ranger Transcript:

 
PATRICK:  What's his name?
 
JORAN:  Daury
 
PATRICK:  Daury what?   Is he Dutch?
 
JORAN:  No, well, yes. Half Dutch, half Arubaans. Dutch mother, or something like that.
________
 
JORAN:  He said to me,  "This is a big problem".  But he has his own boat there on Aruba.
________
 
JORAN:  In any casee, he does not live on Aruba anymore.
 
PATRICK:  Does he live in Holland?
 
JORAN:  Yes.
 
 
The Archives:
 
ABC News - February 5, 2008

 
(Daury) Rodriguez's attorney Chris Lejuez said his client was born in Colombia, but moved to Aruba as a child when his mother married an Aruban man. Lejuez said Rodriguez moved to Rotterdam to attend trade school in 2004, and stayed on through June or July of 2007, working there. Rodriguez returned to Aruba in January and December of 2005 for vacation, but was not on the island for months before or after Holloway's disappearance.  He told ABC News he never owned a boat. "I never had one, and I don't have one,'' he said.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=1


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2009, 06:42:51 PM
3.  THE DISPOSAL
 
The Road Ranger Transcript:
 
Multiple Assistants?

 
JORAN:  They dumped her in the ocean.
________
 
JORAN:  I knew people who could help me, but I dont want to name them. She will not be found.
 
A Single Assistant?
 
PATRICK:  You don't know?  He never told you how he did it?
 
JORAN:  Of course he did.
 
PATRICK:  How then?
 
JORAN:  He just went into the ocean. farther away.   Then he dumped her.
________
 
PATRICK:  What's his name?
 
JORAN:  Daury
________
 
JORAN:  His boat was standing there by the pier, and I knew that also, you know, and he told me, then help me for a while, so we have taken to the boat.
 
PATRICK:  Lifted her up?
 
JORAN:  Yes, the two of us just quickly.
________
 
PATRICK:  You walk home and he sails (varen) out straight away?
 
JORAN:  He sails out straight away.  From what he told me, from what he told me, I think he did not even went out two kilometers or so. He told me he just took the boat, went far, threw her out, and came back. Put the boat back, and he then came to visit me at home. And we talked for some time.
 
 
The Archives:
 
The Trap/Cage - Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

 
"I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap.  Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt."
 
The Persistance - ROV Images
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355959#msg355959


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2009, 06:45:43 PM
4.  THE SHOES
 
The Road Ranger Transcript:
 
"I threw them away."

 
JORAN:  No.  These shoes I have thrown them away, I have thrown them away myself. On the way to there... on the way to home...
 
PATRICK:  You just took them off.
 
JORAN:  No, on the way to there, you have these puts (drains or manholes)...
 
PATRICK:  Riolering (storm drains) or something.
 
JORAN:  Yes.
 
"I kept my them."
 
PATRICK:  All I can think is that there is something about those shoes that you do not want them to see.
 
JORAN:  No, of course not. I still have those shoes. I just told those dudes that I left my shoes behind. So dumb.
 
 
The Archives:
 
The Trap/Cage - Kyle Kingman – In His Own Words

 
"… a trap, a sneaker, and a girl went missing."
 
The Persistence - ROV Image
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.msg469889;topicseen#msg469889
 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2009, 06:49:17 PM
5.  PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT
 
The Road Ranger Transcript:

 
PATRICK:  But what about your father? When you came home?  He noticed nothing different about you?
 
JORAN:  My father was asleep. It was 3:00 am or 4:00 am.
________
 
PATRICK:  Did you put her in the sea, alone?
 
JORAN: Yes.
 
PATRICK:  Nobody helped?
 
JORAN:  Somebody, who I trust, I am not giving his name, not my parents, somebody I trustl.  I know people who could help me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat.
 
PATRICK:  I know that friend is your father. I know it Joran.
 
JORAN:  No, no, no.
 
PATRICK:  Why not? Why would someone say when he picks you up ‘you  must go to school’?  When you told me that, I know.
 
JORAN:  No.
 
PATRICK:  Look Joran, I told you from the start, hey I talked to my girlfriend about it,  y’know.  In the first place, I said to my girlfriend that if someone had to call me like that, I’d also help him.
 
JORAN:  Me too, me too, me too! But I’m telling you, Patrick, my father wouldn’t do that, and it’s  not so.
________
 
JORAN:  I knew what had happened, but of course I cannot say anything about it.  I  can’t do that. You can’t put other people in danger, right.
 
PATRICK:  Which other people.  There is only one right?
 
JORAN:  Yeah.  Daury. I don’t want to get him into trouble.
 
PATRICK:  And your father also know, man.
 
JORAN:  My father, not at all. My father knows nothing about
those things.
 
 
The Archives:
 
Superior Court - January, 2007

 
The possible involvement of Paulus that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
 
 
Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - March 21, 2006
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... And, you know, what Jug and I had discussed last night was that, you know, we go back to the very beginning. And that‘s the reason why Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested in connection with Natalee‘s disappearance, because he had lied to the authorities by saying that he had changed his pickup time.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/
 
 
Nancy Grace - August 12, 2005
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: ... Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/12/ng.01.html
 
 
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - March 21, 2006
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... He had initially told the witnesses that he himself had picked up Joran Van Der Sloot at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the 30th. But he later changed it about three weeks into the investigation that he did not pick up Joran at 4:00 a.m. on the 30th.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/
 
 
Rita Cosby Live & Direct – March 21, 2006
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... And, you know, what Jug and I had discussed last night was that, you know, we go back to the very beginning. And that‘s the reason why Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested in connection with Natalee‘s disappearance, because he had lied to the authorities by saying that he had changed his pickup time.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2009, 06:51:55 PM
6.  DEEPAK AND SATISH
 
The Road Ranger Transcript:

 
JORAN:  Ok they (Deepak and Satish) have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further.
________
 
PATRICK:  So you never told these two (Deepak and Satish) anything?
 
JORAN:  Never, never, never.
 
 
The Archives:
 
Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony - August 15, 2005

 
I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way when I drove along there. I cannot remember on which day I saw the photograph of the persons in the newspaper. The photograph, which the police force showed me, is the same photograph as the photograph that appeared in the Diario. You ask me how can I know or recognize the persons from the photograph in the newspaper or that I had seen that night. The first time then I saw the photograph in the Diario I had been astonished and I said that to colleagues. You represent me that I have explained that I have recognized the persons from their construction and mail hour. You ask me if I could see from my position in the car. My position was a bit is higher, in the turning I had drive concerning a sand hill as a result of which my position was a bit slanted. As a result, I could look at in the car. I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares. You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes.
 
 
Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony - August 15, 2005

 
I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back.
 
 
Nancy Grace - July 26, 2005

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html
 
 
Larry King Live - February 23, 2006
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.
 
Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2009, 06:54:01 PM
7.  WYNDHAM SECURITY CAMERA
 
The Road Ranger Transcript:

 
JORAN:  He said to me, what did he say to me, umm, when we were there he said to me, "You do have to go to school tomorrow and stuff.  Because, if there is a missing girl then, umm".
 
PATRICK:  He's smart, Joran.
 
JORAN:  I knew these things too. I said, "You're so right. I just have to do normal things. And on top of that I'm going to the casino to make sure I am on camera and stuff," and he said, "Ok that is fine."
 
 
The Archives:
 
Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway
 
Page 48:
  It’s about three o’clock in the morning .  It’s a school night.  They (Joran and Deepak) aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino.  They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts.  I make a mental note that I will ask to be the casino footage from the Wyndham later on.  Just to see if they were really there tonight – or, rather, this morning.
 
Page 121:  And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were standing in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.
 
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Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 16, 2009, 03:26:21 PM

THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING:  THE DUTCH AND ARUBAN CONNECTION

According to Patrick vander Eem's own words in his book OVERBOARD … it was the Dutch Central Intelligence Agency that contacted Patrick when on-going surveillance of Joran van der Sloot revealed that the two had formed a relationship.  It was a Dutch Central Intelligence agent who suggested that Patrick contact Peter Devries when Patrick revealed all regarding his intentions of secretly obtaining a confession from the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case was revealed.

Apparently ... the fifth and final recording of Joran van der Sloot's own words was made with the input of the Aruban enemy ... the Aruban enemy who has prevented justice from prevailing for an eighteen year old American citizen since May 30, 2005.
 
Bottom Line!  Collaborating with the enemy associated with the corrupt Aruban investigation and anticipating a positive outcome … does not make sense.  Conflicts of interest dictate it is not going to happen.
______

The Dutch Connection

Overboard - Patrick vander Eeem

Heidi tells me a beat cop from the city area Broek in Arnhem has called her mother asking all kinds of questions about who drives in our Toyota RAV4. That was the car I was driving at the time but it was in my mother in laws name. Questions from a cop? I’m thinking what the hell. I can’t imagine what they want with me. So I call this guy back.
 
The cops name is Frank and let me just start by saying we need a thousand more like him. Beat cops have to have a special bond with the community. They need to be aware of what is going on there and know the people. I have nothing but praise for the care and effort this man put into his job. Having been on the wrong side of the law I don’t often have nice words for most police officers but Frank is an exception. He had even checked into my company, Pirtek, once he had my name and found out it was registered to me only.
 
‘Good afternoon, officer. I heard you wanted to speak to me. What can I do for you?’  He’s very nice on the phone.  Tells me he’s been seeing me around quite a bit, driving with my music up. ‘I’m a little confused,’ I tell him. ‘I know that I’m not driving too fast and the stereo is not too loud so those can’t be a problem.’

Could it be that I have this Joran van der Sloot in the car with me?’ Yes that hit the nail on the head. The Broek precinct is next to  where Joran’s house is located.  The car had been seen there and he and I driving had been spotted often and now this officer was inquiring about it.
 
‘Do you want to talk to me about it? Frank asked. I have to hand it to this guy for being that observant. This was the opening I had needed.

‘Not that you don’t seem like a nice enough guy,  Frank, but I don’t think you’re the right person to talk to about this. No offence. I need someone higher up.’

The officer fell silent for just two seconds, but was surprisingly helpful about it all. He said he understood and that he would contact the right people for me. ‘Someone will call you.  Take care Patrick’.

You have to reflect on the beauty of how the universe is ordered. Here I had it wrapped in a neat little bow. I suppose it could be called God, karma or fate, but whatever it was, it was working in high gear. I had wanted to meet Joran and I did. I had high hopes for him to talk and I even had to stop him. I had needed the cops and here they were.

Frank had been a diligent beat cop and done his homework. Whatever was to come, I could not say that I had the  cop and done his homework. Whatever was to come, I could not say that I had the world against me. Everything had lined up perfectly. I had two aces in my hand and the powers that be gave me a third on the flop. Now all I had to do was play my cards right.

It took a week and a half for someone to contact me. As they say the waiting is the hardest part but there was nothing to be done about it since you can’t directly contact the CIE (Criminal Information Unit of the Dutch police which collects information on organized crime and big crime cases). They have to call you.

Frank had passed along that the information was pertaining to Joran van der Sloot. I told the man on the phone that I befriended Joran with the purpose of getting him to talk and that it might be interesting for them if we speak. Within a week I had an appointment to meet two CIE agents.
 
While I waited for this contact, I had time to think about what exactly I wanted out of all of this. It never hurt to aim high and see what you get.  You don’t get anywhere if you aim for the ground and not the stars. This was a real official channel and a shot like this was once in a lifetime. In my daydreams I put together the package deal to get three hundred thousand Euros and that it would all take place in a large hall where I would set up a weed plantation. Ideally I wanted to keep the plants when the whole sting was done. In return all the information they ever wanted on the Natalee Holloway case would be delivered to them.
 
Yes, it sounded steep, but this was not a small operation. Half would be used for start up money on the plantation and the other half would go to me which I would use to cover my time and expenses. I had already dumped quite a large amount of money into this project and it would be nice to recoup some of it.

The meeting was set at the Rijnhotel a cute little hotel in Arnhem next to the river the Rhine near the German border for eight in the evening. When I arrived I spotted the two agents immediately. A man and a woman. You could have surrounded them with a room full of people and I would have still picked them out.  They had that typical cop look. He was around 45, in good athletic condition, six feet tall and had a huge mustache.  Honestly, it was the type of mustache you only pictured on a cop. She was so extremely background it actually made her stand out and of course had half long half short hair. I really don’t remember too many of her features. I was kind of distracted by that massive mustache that nothing else really existed.
 
I had been told to bring my passport and they asked for it right away. No problem, I handed it to them and they handed me little plastic cards to show they worked for CIE. They came from Rotterdam, the Dutch harbor city. I asked if they had a business card for me to keep but they didn’t.  They told me this meeting never happened and they would never admit that it had so there was no need to exchange cards. Now, I know I should have remembered their names. They introduced themselves and I read it on the ID-cards but for the life of me I can’t. It didn’t seem important at the time because after the meeting it was clear they weren’t going to help me.
 
They sipped coffee and tea during the meeting. Very professional of them to stay away from the beer while working. I also like to avoid alcohol while I’m snorting and ordered a coffee. We chatted a little. I explained who I was and gave them some background. Although it was probably unnecessary since they would have pulled any files the police had on me. The Moustache said he had kids too, which was a nice way to bond with me during our chat. Then I laid everything out in front of them in detail. How I had met Joran and how I had been speaking with him everyday. I knew he would talk. I put my whole plan on the table, the weed plantation, the money, the cameras and taps. I went to great lengths to explain so they would see how brilliant it could all be if done right. When I had finished, the two agents looked like they had been given more than they bargained for.
 
Moustache took the lead in talking. He seemed quite convinced that this was all impossible. The money would never be approved and the police just did not get involved in operations like this. It was just not the way things were done.
 
‘You don’t have many questions,’ I taunted. ‘Do you really think your bosses would like you making decisions what happens or not without at least informing them what’s on the table?’
   
‘Well it doesn’t really work like that.’ Moustache started to repeat himself.  ‘Besides,before we can do anything you have to become a registered informer for us.’ What they proposed was I sign up as part of their infiltrator network and provide them with not just this case but help them with many others.
 
‘Look, this is the first and the last time I want to hear anything about that.’ I made sure they knew in no uncertain terms that I had no interest in becoming a stool pigeon. What I was doing with Joran was an exception to my normal lifestyle.
 
Moustache did not seem pleased with this. I think they had hoped that I would turn informer on my friends and former underworld ties. They would have a long wait for that to happen. Hell would have to freeze over first and with the rate of global warming that was not likely.
 
They told me they would need time to confer about what we had talked about. That seemed normal enough. Perhaps it was just all one big negotiation tactics. That became even more probable when they asked in their closing if they could come with  a counter proposal because the money really would not work.
 
‘Everything is on the table for discussion.  You can come back with what you like but if the money is not good enough I do not see us working together. Just remember I will get this done with or without you.’
 
Moustache seemed amused with that. ‘Well this Joran certainly has found trouble in you.’
 
They paid for everything.  The bill wasn’t much and they paid cash. When we parted it was agreed they would call me again with whatever the decision or counter proposal might be.

Walking away I had to shake my head. The meeting had lasted about an hour and all said it could have been handled better. It felt as if I had met a stone wall before I ever got started. I was playing hardball with the money but in truth if they came with a  decent counter offer I would listen. What would I do with the information if they didn’t want to use it? I had never even thought about it before. If the cops decided that they didn’t want to help me, my only other option would be Peter R. Devries or a news program to get the truth out.

Peter R. Devries had his own crime show on Dutch television and the things he had accomplished were amazing. He is an experienced crime reporter who put his skills and resources to solving cold cases and exposing injustice and governmental hypocrisy. He solved murders like a larger than life Sherlock Holmes. I knew he once personally tracked down the main kidnapper of Heineken in Paraguay, at that time the most wanted criminal of Holland, while the beer company had an army of investigators searching in vain. In many of his shows he used hidden cameras. He had done a show on Joran the year before and I knew he would jump on this but I wanted to give the police their chance. I mean, yeah, getting paid would be good but I had to do the right thing first.

The phone call from CIE took about two weeks. I saw them a few days later in the same hotel at eight again. They had talked with their superiors and they did not like my idea.

The money was not possible and the weed plantation certainly out of the question.  However they were convinced I had to become a mole for them and start giving them information on other activities.
 
‘This is the second time you’ve brought this up to me and really I have had enough of it.  It will not happen.  You have no advice for me on Joran? No counter proposal?’  They didn’t. In fact they did not even discuss Joran.  All they could fixate on was me turning informer for them. They spoke of drugs and the help I could give them on busting up some major crime networks in Arnhem and surroundings. Their pitch was on everything else but Joran. I was livid. What the hell were these people playing at with this?
 
I laughed at them. ‘I have a job, my own business. I make more money than you and your partner combined. How is that going to work? What are you going to give me for it? It wouldn’t matter anyway because everyone would laugh in my face and within three months I would be dead. I am not interested in becoming a stoolie for you.’ Not that there was any price high enough, but any person in the world is curious enough to ask ‘what do you pay for it actually?’ Unfortunately they were unwilling to discuss any compensation package. Seems to me like a data gathering process by a specialist police unit that will never fly if you want to put snitches out there.
 
I brought them back to Joran. ‘I guess we have no deal then.’ They needed to confer again and could they call me back. ‘Fine you do that.

This was starting to feel like a big waste of my time. What the hell were they thinking? What the hell had I been thinking? The entire meeting it was as if Joran did not exist. They were only interested in what I could give them about my other exploits. They had done nothing with my proposal. I doubt anyone higher up had even heard. By the third meeting, same place, same time, I was really done with it. In total it must  have lasted a whole fifteen minutes and even that was too long. Again they told me the money was impossible and that they only wanted me as one of their regular informants‘.

And what about Joran now?’  ‘Just go to Peter R. Devries,’ the Moustache advised.
 
That just floored me. During all three meetings his name was never mentioned and now the police left their job to a crime reporter? Well gee, I already thought of that myself. Thanks for the help, guys. Glad you’re out there protecting the public. Makes me feel safe.  So there it was. The police turned their backs on it. To be honest I would have taken a counter proposal.  The money wasn’t that important. I mean in the end I didn’t get it anyway so what does it matter. The police made the same mistake with me as many people did with Joran when they tried to make him talk. They jumped in and wanted everything on their agenda all at once. It was like trying to marry a girl before you had  dated. It just won’t happen.

They could have made a counter offer and I would have listened. It could have been something like: ‘Well we can’t grow the weed because we are police and that would be entrapment and we can’t give you the money because that is not in our budget, but when you hand us receipts of your expenses we can compensate them. How about making a new plan together to install recording equipment somewhere? We also hear there is a reward for information as to what happened to Natalee. We would give you a huge amount of credit in the press.’

That I would have considered. Hell, I would have gone for it. After all, the money would be nice but it was not my sole reason for doing all this. Then when we had wrapped up the Joran thing, they could have tried to get me as a stool pigeon. I would have never done it, but at least it would have shown some logical thinking at their side. From a simple beat cop, I get a thousand times better results than from the top police agency  in Holland. Frankly, the CIE should be ashamed. They should promote Frank. If there were a hell of a lot more like him the cops wouldn’t have an image problem.

So there I was back where I started and three weeks wasted. What to do now? The answer was pretty clear. I had thought it and the cop had said it. I would get in touch with Peter R. Devries.  Why not? I would have to figure out how to contact him but that couldn’t be too difficult. Otherwise he would never get tips.

A cold thought was  creeping into my head. What if he didn’t want it either? What if I could get Joran’s confession and no one wanted to listen? That would be ironic.


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – ... After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   

http://amigoe.com/english/


The Aruban Connection

Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea ...

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


A COSMIC LOTTERY!!!!

Overboard - Patrick van der Eem


... The ironic thing of it all is that I roughly got my three hundred thousand Euros after all but in a way completely unexpected. When Peter R offered me half of the rights on foreign sold clips I was told not to expect much. Endemol had no experience selling these clips and even if they did the shelf life of the product is short, only a few days, and seldom sells for much. No one could have predicted that Peter Schouten would walk in and in a matter of days strike an exclusive deal with ABC for 830,000 dollars. Endemol themselves managed to sell only a few thousand Euros worth in Europe. That delivered me just a few hundred Euros shy of the random number I pulled out of my ass for the police. Three hundred thousand turned out to be the lucky number in the cosmic lottery.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 19, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
Looks like the hearing 11/16/09 (Motion to Compel) has been postponed until 1/29/2010:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

01/29/2010 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (c/f 11-16-09)


05/06/2010 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

05/17/2010 at 09:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial

Thanks Klaas

Could it be that the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw recording of Jamie Skeeters' interview with Deepak in regards to whether or not it was "edited" or "manipulated" is the holdup.  If the recording cannot stand alone as evidence that no defamation against the Kalpoes occurred ... then case documentation from Aruba is required.

According to the Kalpoes' representation ... the distancing of Deepak and Satish by Joran van der Sloot in the Range Rover confession could present a problem for Phil McGraw.  Could it be that case documentation that supports McGraw's contention that the Kalpoes were not defamed on his show can now be legally withheld under Dutch law by Aruba?

Obviously ... there are legal reasons that this case has not been dismissed.  In February, 2008 ... the judge gave the Kalpoes' representatives FIVE DAYS to come up with the requested documents.

Janet

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Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil
     

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

04/29/09

Honorable Edward A. Fernes


Page 14:  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 25, 2009, 04:09:03 PM
THE ARUBAN PROSECUTOR - HANS MOS

Peter Devries has a background knowledge of the coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo.  However ... in his own words ... Devries upholds the Aruban investigation when he implies that the prosecutor Hans Mos is on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway.
_____

02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
PETER DEVIRIES: NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES?

- INVESTIGATION CONTINUES-


For all clarity, the fact that Van der Sloot has not been taken into custody on remand does not mean that the judicial investigation against him has come to an end. Far from it. The Public Prosecutor is working hard on the case in which Joran van der Sloot is still prime suspect.

Peter R. de Vries

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


THE ARCHIVES - HANS MOS

ACCORDING TO JOHN Q. KELLY
 
On the Record with Greta - December 4, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  ... I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


On the Record with Greta - December 3, 2008

Now the Holloway family lawyer John Q. Kelly wants action. In a letter to Aruban Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos, Kelly calls for the arrest of Joran van der Sloot. Joran's father Paulus and the Kalpoe brothers are also included ...

VAN SUSTEREN: It's your letter. What do you want from Hans Mos, and what have you heard from him?

KELLY: Nothing but deafening silence out of Aruba. No, I haven't heard from him.

The point of the letter was, and if you remember last year, Greta, with great fanfare and press releases, and, you know, just all kinds of dog and pony show, they arrested the Kalpoe brothers and Joran for absolutely no reason, no new evidence. Just picked them up and held them for a month.

And now they have new evidence. You have a damning confession by Joran as to serious criminal conduct he engaged in, implicates others. And they haven't done anything with it. And everything Joran has said is consistent with the facts as we know them right now.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460908,00.html


ACCORDING TO BETH HOLLOWAY

Dateline NBC - February 22, 2008


The three main suspects, Joran van der Sloot, and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were rearrested.

Dave Holloway broke his vow and rushed back to Aruba along with Beth for special meetings with prosecutors. They were asked to bring medical records.  To their horror, though, they say they ended up talking not about new evidence but were asked probing questions about Natalee’s character.

Beth Holloway: They kept saying that Natalee, you know, was a drug user … She's never had a history of drug use. She's never been in drug rehab. Yeah, I thought that -- then, they don't have anything. They don't have anything, you know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


The Dana Pretzer Show - December 21, 2007

Jug Twitty:

She (Beth) said that the prosecutor lied to them when he told them that there was new evidence.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/12/21/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-friday-december-21-2007-dana-reflects-on-his-interview-with-natalee-holloways-stepfather-george-jug-twitty/
 

Quote from: jen3560 on July 21, 2009, 04:16:40 PM

Natalee's Freebirds heard from this family member on Sept 14 2008 with the info that Beth was not at all happy with Mos ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5372.msg884344#msg884344

 
The Lineup - December 2, 2007

Beth Holloway came in this morning about 9 o'clock, about 1/2 hour later than expected in a police station in the city Oranjestadt and after which she was put in a conversation with the prosecuting office, Hans Mos and Dop Kruimel After that was finished both the prosecutors left the office or left the police station and by surprise the interrogators came in and (inaudible) by Dolph Richardson the chief investigator, they started interrogating her which lasted for over 5 hours. She left not very happy and wouldn't say anything on camera. She left the police department about 2:30.

+++++++

yw


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 27, 2009, 12:56:53 PM
RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS

PART ONE:  THE DUTCH CONNECTION

PART TWO:  HAPPENINGS ENCOMPASSING 11/07 REARRESTS

PART THREE:  THE ARUBAN CONNECTION



AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE

“Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.”

Private Eye - March 13, 2008 – Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 27, 2009, 12:57:14 PM
RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS

PART ONE:  THE DUTCH CONNECTION


It is naivety to expect a positive outcome by collaborating with the Dutch Administration … the Dutch Administration that has been a participant from the get go in the Aruban cover up agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

Could it be that Paulus van der Sloot and his son were aware of the Range Rover recording prior to the first ride and … prior to the November, 2007 rearrests?.


On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.


Amigoe – February 6, 2008

ORANJESTAD – ... After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.

http://amigoe.com/english/


Overboard - Patrick vander Eeem

Heidi tells me a beat cop from the city area Broek in Arnhem has called her mother asking all kinds of questions about who drives in our Toyota RAV4. That was the car I was driving at the time but it was in my mother in laws name. Questions from a cop? I’m thinking what the hell. I can’t imagine what they want with me. So I call this guy back.

The cops name is Frank and let me just start by saying we need a thousand more like him. Beat cops have to have a special bond with the community. They need to be aware of what is going on there and know the people. I have nothing but praise for the care and effort this man put into his job. Having been on the wrong side of the law I don’t often have nice words for most police officers but Frank is an exception. He had even checked into my company, Pirtek, once he had my name and found out it was registered to me only.

‘Good afternoon, officer. I heard you wanted to speak to me. What can I do for you?’  He’s very nice on the phone.  Tells me he’s been seeing me around quite a bit, driving with my music up. ‘I’m a little confused,’ I tell him. ‘I know that I’m not driving too fast and the stereo is not too loud so those can’t be a problem.

’Could it be that I have this Joran van der Sloot in the car with me?’ Yes that hit the nail on the head. The Broek precinct is next to where Joran’s house is located.  The car had been seen there and he and I driving had been spotted often and now this officer was inquiring about it.

‘Do you want to talk to me about it? Frank asked. I have to hand it to this guy for being that observant. This was the opening I had needed.

‘Not that you don’t seem like a nice enough guy,  Frank, but I don’t think you’re the right person to talk to about this. No offence. I need someone higher up.’

The officer fell silent for just two seconds, but was surprisingly helpful about it all. He said he understood and that he would contact the right people for me. ‘Someone will call you.  Take care Patrick’.

You have to reflect on the beauty of how the universe is ordered. Here I had it wrapped in a neat little bow. I suppose it could be called God, karma or fate, but whatever it was, it was working in high gear. I had wanted to meet Joran and I did. I had high hopes for him to talk and I even had to stop him. I had needed the cops and here they were.

Frank had been a diligent beat cop and done his homework. Whatever was to come, I could not say that I had the  cop and done his homework. Whatever was to come, I could not say that I had the world against me. Everything had lined up perfectly. I had two aces in my hand and the powers that be gave me a third on the flop. Now all I had to do was play my cards right.

It took a week and a half for someone to contact me. As they say the waiting is the hardest part but there was nothing to be done about it since you can’t directly contact the CIE (Criminal Information Unit of the Dutch police which collects information on organized crime and big crime cases). They have to call you.

Frank had passed along that the information was pertaining to Joran van der Sloot. I told the man on the phone that I befriended Joran with the purpose of getting him to talk and that it might be interesting for them if we speak. Within a week I had an appointment to meet two CIE agents.

While I waited for this contact, I had time to think about what exactly I wanted out of all of this. It never hurt to aim high and see what you get.  You don’t get anywhere if you aim for the ground and not the stars. This was a real official channel and a shot like this was once in a lifetime. In my daydreams I put together the package deal to get three hundred thousand Euros and that it would all take place in a large hall where I would set up a weed plantation. Ideally I wanted to keep the plants when the whole sting was done. In return all the information they ever wanted on the Natalee Holloway case would be delivered to them.

Yes, it sounded steep, but this was not a small operation. Half would be used for start up money on the plantation and the other half would go to me which I would use to cover my time and expenses. I had already dumped quite a large amount of money into this project and it would be nice to recoup some of it.

The meeting was set at the Rijnhotel a cute little hotel in Arnhem next to the river the Rhine near the German border for eight in the evening. When I arrived I spotted the two agents immediately. A man and a woman. You could have surrounded them with a room full of people and I would have still picked them out.  They had that typical cop look. He was around 45, in good athletic condition, six feet tall and had a huge mustache.  Honestly, it was the type of mustache you only pictured on a cop. She was so extremely background it actually made her stand out and of course had half long half short hair. I really don’t remember too many of her features. I was kind of distracted by that massive mustache that nothing else really existed.

I had been told to bring my passport and they asked for it right away. No problem, I handed it to them and they handed me little plastic cards to show they worked for CIE. They came from Rotterdam, the Dutch harbor city. I asked if they had a business card for me to keep but they didn’t.  They told me this meeting never happened and they would never admit that it had so there was no need to exchange cards. Now, I know I should have remembered their names. They introduced themselves and I read it on the ID-cards but for the life of me I can’t. It didn’t seem important at the time because after the meeting it was clear they weren’t going to help me.

They sipped coffee and tea during the meeting. Very professional of them to stay away from the beer while working. I also like to avoid alcohol while I’m snorting and ordered a coffee. We chatted a little. I explained who I was and gave them some background. Although it was probably unnecessary since they would have pulled any files the police had on me. The Moustache said he had kids too, which was a nice way to bond with me during our chat. Then I laid everything out in front of them in detail. How I had met Joran and how I had been speaking with him everyday. I knew he would talk. I put my whole plan on the table, the weed plantation, the money, the cameras and taps. I went to great lengths to explain so they would see how brilliant it could all be if done right. When I had finished, the two agents looked like they had been given more than they bargained for.

Moustache took the lead in talking. He seemed quite convinced that this was all impossible. The money would never be approved and the police just did not get involved in operations like this. It was just not the way things were done.

‘You don’t have many questions,’ I taunted. ‘Do you really think your bosses would like you making decisions what happens or not without at least informing them what’s on the table?’

‘Well it doesn’t really work like that.’ Moustache started to repeat himself.  ‘Besides,before we can do anything you have to become a registered informer for us.’ What they proposed was I sign up as part of their infiltrator network and provide them with not just this case but help them with many others.

‘Look, this is the first and the last time I want to hear anything about that.’ I made sure they knew in no uncertain terms that I had no interest in becoming a stool pigeon. What I was doing with Joran was an exception to my normal lifestyle.

Moustache did not seem pleased with this. I think they had hoped that I would turn informer on my friends and former underworld ties. They would have a long wait for that to happen. Hell would have to freeze over first and with the rate of global warming that was not likely.

They told me they would need time to confer about what we had talked about. That seemed normal enough. Perhaps it was just all one big negotiation tactics. That became even more probable when they asked in their closing if they could come with  a counter proposal because the money really would not work.

‘Everything is on the table for discussion.  You can come back with what you like but if the money is not good enough I do not see us working together. Just remember I will get this done with or without you.’

Moustache seemed amused with that. ‘Well this Joran certainly has found trouble in you.’

They paid for everything.  The bill wasn’t much and they paid cash. When we parted it was agreed they would call me again with whatever the decision or counter proposal might be.

Walking away I had to shake my head. The meeting had lasted about an hour and all said it could have been handled better. It felt as if I had met a stone wall before I ever got started. I was playing hardball with the money but in truth if they came with a  decent counter offer I would listen. What would I do with the information if they didn’t want to use it? I had never even thought about it before. If the cops decided that they didn’t want to help me, my only other option would be Peter R. Devries or a news program to get the truth out.

Peter R. Devries had his own crime show on Dutch television and the things he had accomplished were amazing. He is an experienced crime reporter who put his skills and resources to solving cold cases and exposing injustice and governmental hypocrisy. He solved murders like a larger than life Sherlock Holmes. I knew he once personally tracked down the main kidnapper of Heineken in Paraguay, at that time the most wanted criminal of Holland, while the beer company had an army of investigators searching in vain. In many of his shows he used hidden cameras. He had done a show on Joran the year before and I knew he would jump on this but I wanted to give the police their chance. I mean, yeah, getting paid would be good but I had to do the right thing first.

The phone call from CIE took about two weeks. I saw them a few days later in the same hotel at eight again. They had talked with their superiors and they did not like my idea.

The money was not possible and the weed plantation certainly out of the question.  However they were convinced I had to become a mole for them and start giving them information on other activities.

‘This is the second time you’ve brought this up to me and really I have had enough of it.  It will not happen.  You have no advice for me on Joran? No counter proposal?’  They didn’t. In fact they did not even discuss Joran.  All they could fixate on was me turning informer for them. They spoke of drugs and the help I could give them on busting up some major crime networks in Arnhem and surroundings. Their pitch was on everything else but Joran. I was livid. What the hell were these people playing at with this?

I laughed at them. ‘I have a job, my own business. I make more money than you and your partner combined. How is that going to work? What are you going to give me for it? It wouldn’t matter anyway because everyone would laugh in my face and within three months I would be dead. I am not interested in becoming a stoolie for you.’ Not that there was any price high enough, but any person in the world is curious enough to ask ‘what do you pay for it actually?’ Unfortunately they were unwilling to discuss any compensation package. Seems to me like a data gathering process by a specialist police unit that will never fly if you want to put snitches out there.

I brought them back to Joran. ‘I guess we have no deal then.’ They needed to confer again and could they call me back. ‘Fine you do that.

This was starting to feel like a big waste of my time. What the hell were they thinking? What the hell had I been thinking? The entire meeting it was as if Joran did not exist. They were only interested in what I could give them about my other exploits. They had done nothing with my proposal. I doubt anyone higher up had even heard. By the third meeting, same place, same time, I was really done with it. In total it must  have lasted a whole fifteen minutes and even that was too long. Again they told me the money was impossible and that they only wanted me as one of their regular informants.

‘And what about Joran now?’  ‘Just go to Peter R. Devries,’ the Moustache advised.

That just floored me. During all three meetings his name was never mentioned and now the police left their job to a crime reporter? Well gee, I already thought of that myself. Thanks for the help, guys. Glad you’re out there protecting the public. Makes me feel safe.  So there it was. The police turned their backs on it. To be honest I would have taken a counter proposal.  The money wasn’t that important. I mean in the end I didn’t get it anyway so what does it matter. The police made the same mistake with me as many people did with Joran when they tried to make him talk. They jumped in and wanted everything on their agenda all at once. It was like trying to marry a girl before you had  dated. It just won’t happen.

They could have made a counter offer and I would have listened. It could have been something like: ‘Well we can’t grow the weed because we are police and that would be entrapment and we can’t give you the money because that is not in our budget, but when you hand us receipts of your expenses we can compensate them. How about making a new plan together to install recording equipment somewhere? We also hear there is a reward for information as to what happened to Natalee. We would give you a huge amount of credit in the press.’

That I would have considered. Hell, I would have gone for it. After all, the money would be nice but it was not my sole reason for doing all this. Then when we had wrapped up the Joran thing, they could have tried to get me as a stool pigeon. I would have never done it, but at least it would have shown some logical thinking at their side. From a simple beat cop, I get a thousand times better results than from the top police agency  in Holland. Frankly, the CIE should be ashamed. They should promote Frank. If there were a hell of a lot more like him the cops wouldn’t have an image problem.

So there I was back where I started and three weeks wasted. What to do now? The answer was pretty clear. I had thought it and the cop had said it. I would get in touch with Peter R. Devries. 



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 27, 2009, 12:57:32 PM
PART TWO:  HAPPENINGS ENCOMPASSING 11/07 REARRESTS

Could it be that the November, 2007 rearrests of Joran, Deepak and Satish had everything to do with dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s in regards to the upcoming Range Rover recordings … the upcoming Range Rover recordings which had projected outcomes that would implicate ONLY Joran in a misdemeanour under Dutch law and … distance Deepak, Satish and Paulus from participation in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.

Could it be that the most important projected outcome was to provide a measure of closure for the family?  In other words … silence the mother of Natalee Holloway who still had 37 years left in her 40 year quest for the truth regarding the disappearance of her daughter.


THE TIMING
 
ABC News - February 4, 2008


"Three days before I was getting my car, he was gone,'' van der Eem said. "Oh, and it was the most … pain in my life. Peter [de Vries], me…everybody was devastated."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4236425&page=2


On the Record with Greta - February 08, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: So what was the plan? When was the first taping? I think there was a little problem with the first taping. You planned it and then Joran got arrested?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's right. The day we were planning to do it, he was arrested.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


NEW EVIDENCE

Fox News - November 22, 2007


Dutch student Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway, the prosecutor's office said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312488,00.html


Fox News – November 27, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.  "We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html
 

CNN/World – December 7, 2007

All three suspects, who were arrested and released during the investigation in 2005, were rearrested November 21, with authorities citing new and incriminating evidence against them. That new evidence has not been disclosed, but Mos has said it was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/07/aruba/index.html


On the Record w/ Greta - November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS, ARUBA'S CHIEF PROSECUTOR:  And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


NO NEW EVIDENCE

According to the Judges of the Aruban Court

CNN/Crime – January 31, 2008


All three suspects were arrested and released in the case in 2005. They were re-arrested last November 21, with authorities citing the new and incriminating evidence against them.
In freeing the Kalpoes from jail November 30, judges from Aruba's Court of Appeal wrote that there was no evidence Holloway died as a result of a violent crime against her or that the suspects were involved in such a crime. Using similar reasoning, a judge released Van der Sloot a week later

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/31/aruba.missingteen/index.html


According to John Q. Kelly

On the Record with Greta - December 4, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  ... I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Birmingham News – December 7, 2007

"The report of significant new incriminating evidence was misleading,”  (John Q.) Kelly said. "It was the same evidence or lack of evidence they had from the very beginning."

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2007/12/suspects_release_no_surprise_t.html


On the Record with Greta - December 3, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST:  Now the Holloway family lawyer John Q. Kelly wants action. In a letter to Aruban Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos, Kelly calls for the arrest of Joran van der Sloot. Joran's father Paulus and the Kalpoe brothers are also included ...

VAN SUSTEREN: It's your letter. What do you want from Hans Mos, and what have you heard from him?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY:  Nothing but deafening silence out of Aruba. No, I haven't heard from him.

The point of the letter was, and if you remember last year, Greta, with great fanfare and press releases, and, you know, just all kinds of dog and pony show, they arrested the Kalpoe brothers and Joran for absolutely no reason, no new evidence. Just picked them up and held them for a month.

And now they have new evidence. You have a damning confession by Joran as to serious criminal conduct he engaged in, implicates others. And they haven't done anything with it. And everything Joran has said is consistent with the facts as we know them right now.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460908,00.html


According to Beth Holloway

Dateline NBC - February 22, 2008


The three main suspects, Joran van der Sloot, and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were rearrested.

Dave Holloway broke his vow and rushed back to Aruba along with Beth for special meetings with prosecutors. They were asked to bring medical records.  To their horror, though, they say they ended up talking not about new evidence but were asked probing questions about Natalee’s character.

Beth Holloway: They kept saying that Natalee, you know, was a drug user … She's never had a history of drug use. She's never been in drug rehab. Yeah, I thought that -- then, they don't have anything. They don't have anything, you know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


The Dana Pretzer Show - December 21, 2007

Jug Twitty:


She (Beth) said that the prosecutor lied to them when he told them that there was new evidence.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/12/21/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-friday-december-21-2007-dana-reflects-on-his-interview-with-natalee-holloways-stepfather-george-jug-twitty/


The Lineup - December 2, 2007

Beth Holloway came in this morning about 9 o'clock, about 1/2 hour later than expected in a police station in the city Oranjestadt and after which she was put in a conversation with the prosecuting office, Hans Mos and Dop Kruimel After that was finished both the prosecutors left the office or left the police station and by surprise the interrogators came in and (inaudible) by Dolph Richardson the chief investigator, they started interrogating her which lasted for over 5 hours. She left not very happy and wouldn't say anything on camera. She left the police department about 2:30.
 
 
According to Dave Kock

PEOPLE – December 10, 2007


The prosecutors also have a new take on what happened to Natalee. Whereas before the three were accused of murder, the new charge is voluntary manslaughter, suggesting they now believe her presumed death was an accident. In any event a lawyer for Satish Kalpoe scoffed at the latest developments. "It seems like they shook the file, threw it on the table and qualified some things as new evidence," said attorney David Kock.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20170898,00.html


According to Ronald Wix

CBS News – December 20, 2007


But Ronald Wix, an attorney for the Kalpoe brothers, denied that prosecutors had new evidence.

"All they did was recycle old evidence and claim it was new evidence," Wix told The Associated Press, adding that his clients felt vindicated by the prosecutor's decision to drop the case.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/20/world/main3636049.shtml


According to Joe Tacopina

The Lineup - December 2, 2007


JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT’S ATTORNEY:  There's no new evidence, look we're here in December now, they accept their own deadline for December 31. I've seen the 14 pages, there's no new evidence and there's certainly no new incriminating evidence.


FOLLOWING THE RELEASES

ABC News – February 5, 2008

 
It was after that December release that De Vries' undercover investigation began in earnest.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=3


On the Record w/ Greta – November 19, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: How about Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?

JOSSY MANSUR: You know, they have played their part extremely well by being so quiet and so silent. I mean, they don't give out any kind of statement, no interviews, nada.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 27, 2009, 01:04:03 PM
PART THREE:  THE ARUBAN CONNECTION

Professional and personal conflicts of interests involving the father of the main suspect have been behind the cover up agenda within the Natalee Holloway investigation from the get go yet … Peter Devries who possesses an in-depth background knowledge of the case collaborated with the Prosecutor and the Police Commission in regards to the Range Rover recordings.

Could it be that Paulus van der Sloot and his son were either in on the collaborations or informed by the Aruban “powers that be”?


Dutch News – February 2008

Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea ...

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


On the Record w/ Greta - February 8, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:: Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner, Dolph Richardson.  And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me, Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


On the Record w/ Greta - April 5, 2006

JULIA RENFRO, EDITOR, ARUBA TODAY: Well, he (Dompig) actually said this last September that he was only suppose to be on the case for about six weeks. He was actually manhandling two positions by doing both the Noord district as well as the Oranjestad district. So, you know, this was a hefty handful here and Richardson who has been on the case since day one under Van der Straaten has continued on in Van der Straaten’s position.


Nancy Grace - October 4, 2005

NANCY GRACE, HOST: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?
 
JOSSY MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Nova - June 28, 2005

TWAN HUYS:  Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?

PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general.

HUYS: So, you also know the current prosecutor general?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

HUYS: Mrs. Croes.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

HUYS: Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

VAN DER SLOOT That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

HUYS: Who was that in your case?

VAN DER SLOOT: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.

HUYS: Jan van der Straaten.

VAN DER SLOOT: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

HUYS: And you know each other very well?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes

http://scrux.com/natalee/paulusinterview.htm


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Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 27, 2009, 05:48:45 PM
Peter Devries has an in-depth knowledge of the dynamics encompassing the Aruban cover up agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since the get go.  Why did this investigative reporter insist on upholding Hans Mos ... Hans Mos who did not detain Joran van der Sloot?  Joran admitted on the Range Rover records to a misdemeanor under Dutch law of disposal of a body.  Joran admitted to so much more.  He conceded he did not know if Natalee Holloway was deceased when she was dumped into the ocean.

It appears that the seven months following the Range Rover recordings gave Beth Holloway time to reflect and … obviously she has come to a difference conclusion than Peter Devries in regards to Hans Mos.

Janet

+++++++

February, 2008 -According to Peter Devries

02-15 -2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
PETER DEVIRES – COMMENTARY
NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOUEXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES?


For all clarity, the fact that Van der Sloot has not been taken into custody on remand does not mean that the judicial investigation against him has come to an end. Far from it. The Public Prosecutor is working hard on the case in which Joran van der Sloot is still prime suspect.

Peter R. de Vries

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


September, 2008 – According to Beth Holloway

Quote from: jen3560 on July 21, 2009, 04:16:40 PM


Natalee's Freebirds heard from this family member on Sept 14 2008 with the info that Beth was not at all happy with Mos ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5372.msg884344#msg884344


November, 2008 – According to Beth Holloway

NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOM: ARUBA INVESTIGATORS 'NOT FOLLOWING UP ON ANY LEADS'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Karin Janssen was the original prosecutor and Hans Mos took over. When she left Aruba, did she call you and sort of tie up lose ends, or did she just sort of vanish from your radar screen?

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: No, just absolutely vanished. I had no idea she was even leaving so quickly as she did. So you know, that's always been an issue, just no communication from the prosecuting attorney's office. And you know, it just leaves you wondering, you know, where are you? And you hear all this information coming them, saying that they're following up on every lead. Well, you know, that's just simply not true. They're not following up on any leads.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 27, 2009, 09:58:37 PM

http://www.boycottwatch.org/misc/aruba17.htm

November 11, 2009
 
Aruba Tourist Report: Aruba boycott is stronger than ever.

<snipped>


 http://www.boycottwatch.org/misc/aruba18.htm

November 12, 2009
 
Aruba's Growing Deficit Is A Direct Result Of Natelee Holloway's Disappearance

<snipped>
 
 

BETH HOLLOWAY

March 25, 2006
Natalee Holloway: New Clues
Investigator Tells 48 Hours She Probably Died From Excessive Alcohol, Maybe Drugs


Last fall, Twitty called for a boycott of Aruba. The island’s tourism industry has suffered: Travel bookings are off more than 4 percent from a year ago.

Does she still support a boycott of Aruba?

"The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott," says Twitty.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page2.shtml


PATRICK VAN DER EEM

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/





Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 01, 2009, 01:46:59 PM
Sorry for the delay all, things just a bit crazy.

I know many of you have wondered where the situation of the case is at with regards to Natalee and where Beth is in all of this. I had an opportunity recently to speak to Beth and will be visiting her soon in person.

The gist of the conversation that I can share is as follows. Do not give up the ship Monkeys.

Please know that just because you do not see the media covering the story does not mean that there is not things going on behind the scenes. Of course just like many of us, Beth is also interested in seeing what comes from the Kalpoe/Dr Phil lawsuit.

There is not much news out of Aruba, but that is to be expected from people whose wish is for all this to go away. I can say with much certitude that will not be the case. I cannot get into a lot of detail as I promised, but lets say that there are things being done in the background that I am sure Aruba will eventually not like.
 
When I meet with Beth some time in the future I do hope to get into a little more detail the status of Natalee's case in Aruba and whether the OM will ever prosecute the case. At some point they have to do something. If they close the case, then Beth gets the file.

Imagine what a document dump would look like in this case? It would make the one's out of FL with the Caylee Anthony case pale in comparison.

I do know in the future that Beth will need all of our help. As Beth said to me, you all have been such great advocates for Natalee and have kept the story alive. With some of the stuff that is being done, I know that the Internet and concerned forum and FP readers will be needed for organizational and grass roots movements.

Trust me, just because there is silence does not mean it will always be that way. Patience is a virtue.

Beth also said that one just never knows when Joran will slip up again. As I told Beth, with the BS that JVDS has been nailed with, the entire world including the folks in Holland know he is guilty. Many of those who once were his supporters gave up after his last efforts to get attention and admit his guilt.

Don't give up Monkeys ... don't ever give up. You have all provided Beth with a tremendous amount of information and sleuthing. Isn't that what ultimately what this is all about. Providing Beth with a beneficial service.

She thanks you all and looks forward to your continued help in the future.

 
January 27, 2008 - According to Beth Holloway

We've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.
 
http://www.oprah.com/slideshow/world/peopleandpolitics/slideshow2_ss_politics/3


February, 2008 -According to Peter Devries

For all clarity, the fact that Van der Sloot has not been taken into custody on remand does not mean that the judicial investigation against him has come to an end. Far from it. The Public Prosecutor is working hard on the case in which Joran van der Sloot is still prime suspect.

Peter R. de Vries

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


September, 2008 – According to Beth Holloway

Quote from: jen3560 on July 21, 2009, 04:16:40 PM

Natalee's Freebirds heard from this family member on Sept 14 2008 with the info that Beth was not at all happy with Mos ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5372.msg884344#msg884344


November, 2008 – According to Beth Holloway

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Karin Janssen was the original prosecutor and Hans Mos took over. When she left Aruba, did she call you and sort of tie up lose ends, or did she just sort of vanish from your radar screen?

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: No, just absolutely vanished. I had no idea she was even leaving so quickly as she did. So you know, that's always been an issue, just no communication from the prosecuting attorney's office. And you know, it just leaves you wondering, you know, where are you? And you hear all this information coming them, saying that they're following up on every lead. Well, you know, that's just simply not true. They're not following up on any leads.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 01, 2009, 02:15:11 PM
The main point being, do not think that this is over.

Its not even close to being over.

Please know that Beth is very much like me. She is plotting and does things in a methodical manner. In a phrase, she prepares her fileds for rain, so to speak.



Thanks Red.  I agree 100%.

Obviously ... the outcome of the Range Rover recordings that distanced Paulus van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers from implication in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway ...  did not appease her mother.  The volunteer boycott of Aruba was not called off and ...  continues to this day to affect the economy of Aruba.

As Keepthefaith would say ... TICK TOCK!  TICK TOCK!  

Beth ... I never doubted you for one minute.  Somehow I knew that you had not given up your 40 year quest.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

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PATRICK VAN DER EEM

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/


A MOTHER'S VOICE THAT WILL NOT BE SILENCED

BETH HOLLOWAY:

'Scarborough Country'


I met with Prime Minister Oduber. I don‘t care who you put the pressure on, where it comes from, but I want—you need to figure it out. You need to figure out who needs to apply the pressure and where it needs to be applied, because you have to solve this crime. I said, you do not want to turn me loose from this island without an answer.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


'Scarborough Country'

I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


'On the Record w/ Greta'

I met him (Prime Minister Oduber) in his office. And you know, the main things that we went over in the meeting, Greta — you know, I wanted to make it perfectly clear that — you know, Aruba is a small island. We agreed upon that. And this island, you know, it's well connected. Everyone knows everyone. And I wanted to make sure he knew there's no way that I will accept not having answers as to where Natalee is. And if I have to spend the next 40 years being the voice for her out of Aruba.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166524,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
 
We will keep going back to Aruba over and over again. This is far from over. They know—they have the answers there on the island.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/


'Scarborough Country'

I think it’s just the side that, you know, I—I will stop at nothing to get answers. There is nothing that I won’t do. There’s nowhere that I won’t go, and there’s nothing—I’m going to ask every question. I don’t care how painful it is. I will do it, because I’m not going to have any regrets.”

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


'CNN News'

For the rest of my life, I will continue to be the voice for my daughter, seeking justice in Aruba. Every parent would want the same justice for their child.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/04/aruba.missing.teen/index.html


'Scarborough Country'
 
I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 01, 2009, 07:40:35 PM
1.  THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS:  DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOE

If the Range Rover recordings were a collaboration between Peter Devries and the Aruban "powers that be" ... could it be that one of the projected outcomes was to distance Deepak and Satish Kalpoe from implication in the events encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway.  Think about it.  The Kalpoes possess the ability to blow the Aruban cover up agenda wise open by:

- exposing the extent of Joran van der Sloot's involvement in the demise of Natalee Holloway.
- exposing the extent of Joran van der Sloot's involvement in the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body.
- exposing the extent of Paulus van der Sloots involvement in the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body.
- exposing the involvement of the sons of the elite who were detained as suspects in the case.
- exposing the involvement of Steve Croes and Geoffrey van Cromvoirt
- exposing those within the investigation who were participants in the cover up.

Janet

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ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES

THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent.  Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


ACCORDING TO JOSSY MANSUR

On the Record w/ Greta – November 19, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: How about Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?

JOSSY MANSUR: You know, they have played their part extremely well by being so quiet and so silent. I mean, they don't give out any kind of statement, no interviews, nada.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


THE ARCHIVES

ACCORDING TO STEVE COHEN

Aruba Truth - December 7, 2005


A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case  and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


Caribbean Voice - January 16, 2006

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) -- ... Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …


Aruba Truth - January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.


ACCORDING TO THE GARDENER

Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony - August 15, 2005

 
I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way when I drove along there. I cannot remember on which day I saw the photograph of the persons in the newspaper. The photograph, which the police force showed me, is the same photograph as the photograph that appeared in the Diario. You ask me how can I know or recognize the persons from the photograph in the newspaper or that I had seen that night. The first time then I saw the photograph in the Diario I had been astonished and I said that to colleagues. You represent me that I have explained that I have recognized the persons from their construction and mail hour. You ask me if I could see from my position in the car. My position was a bit is higher, in the turning I had drive concerning a sand hill as a result of which my position was a bit slanted. As a result, I could look at in the car. I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares. You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes.
 
 
Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony - August 15, 2005

 
I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back.
 
 
ACCORDING TO JOSSY MANSUR

Nancy Grace - July 26, 2005


JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html
 
 
ACCORDING TO BETH HOLLOWAY

Larry King Live - February 23, 2006

 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.
 
Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html


ACCORDING TO FREDDIE ARAMBATZIS

Freddy Arambatzis - Witness Statement - June 12, 2005


The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house.

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.


ACCORDING TO THE MOTHER OF THE KALPOES

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 11, 2005


... To your question as to how late we got home, I can say the following. We arrived home approximately 02.20 hours.


Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 11, 2005

My brother asked Joran if he was sure he would find another way to get home. Joran said that he was sure that he would find a way to get home. At that moment it was approximately 01.45 hours on May 30th 2005.


Nadira Ramirez - Dr. Phil Show - September 15, 2005

Natalee Holloway was last seen on May 30th with three young men, Joran van der Sloot and two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. Two of Dr. Phil's investigators, Harold Copus and John Weeks sat down for an exclusive interview with Deepak and Satish's mother, Nadira. She requested that her face not be revealed and after the interview made several attempts to keep what she'd said from being aired on Dr. Phil …

"What time do you think they got in?"

"I assess that it was not four in the morning,” she says. "It's, like, before three or maybe three o'clock. How I know they were home? Because I leave my room door always open when they step out, so when they come they just close my door. And that's the sign that they are home."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2732/?id=2732&isTip=&slide=1&null=null


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 01, 2009, 09:12:06 PM
It appears that the Holiday Inn account was fabricated prior the Beth and Jug arrival at the van der Sloots residence at 3:00 AM on the morning of May 31, 2005.  It appears that Deepak and Paulus were both participants in that fabrication.

Deepak and Satish hold all the Aces that are preventing the Aruban house of cards from collapsing.  They are in a position to implicate Paulus.  Is this the reason that the Range Rover recordings exonerated the brothers from implication in the events encompassing Natalee Holloway's demise and disappearance. 

Janet

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Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
Wednesday, June 29, 2005


MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: ... He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 01, 2009, 10:27:03 PM
By his own admission ... Peter Devries possesses an in-depth knowledge of the Natalee Holloway case.
   
Does this investigative reporter not question why Deepak and Satish Kalpoe filed complaints with the Aruban court regarding FBI assistance in the Aruban investigation if participation in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 was was limited to dropping Joran Van Sloot and Natalee Holloway off at the beach?
__________
 
LOG TXT FORMAT PDF PAGE 119 - 144

Name/Title: Complaint by Satish Kalpoe regarding FBI assistance
Date: 5 August 2005
File #: p-2005/03533
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Aruban Court
Responsive to Request 32

Name/Title: Complaint By Deepak Kalpoe regarding FBI assistance
Date: 5t August 2005
File #: p-2005103532
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator.. Aruban Court (Gerecht In Eerste Aanleg)

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YWJ
 ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2009, 02:57:19 PM
My love affair with Hans Mos ended on December 4, 2007 ... prior to the release of Joran van der Sloot from detention.  It was me who called it off.

ANYBODY who blames the family of Natalee Holloway ... for the failed Aruban investigation that had established a cover up agenda to protect Joran van der Sloot from implication ... does not get a pass from Tamikosmom.

Janet

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HANS MOS:  THE FAULT OF THE FAILED INVESTIGATION - FAMILY AND MEDIA

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I sat with the prosecutor, and I actually thought he was a pretty smart guy until all this unfolded. But he told me that the reason the investigation had failed was because of two reasons. One is the family and bringing in the DA who happened to be there on the island at the time. And the other is the media. That's why he said that this has failed.

KELLY: You know, that's so sad because even now, as I speak, as I said, everything I might say based on conversations with him, you know, defense attorneys have had in their hands for 10 days now, two weeks. So it's nothing new being revealed here. And to — you know, he's the one holding press conferences. He's the one that sat down for the long interview with you before I ever spoke to you.

And you know, I'm sure he's a very smart guy, but he had no answers to any of the questions we asked when we were down there. It was kind of sad that even the first questions we started asking him, he had no answers to.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 05, 2009, 12:26:36 PM
A MURDER BY DROWNING OR A DISPOSAL OF A BODY?

Why is Peter Devries upholding the Aruban coverup agenda that implies that the ONLY wrongdoing that Joran van der Sloot confessed to was the felony of assisting in the disposal of a "body" which ... under Dutch law ... is a misdemeanor?

It appears that this investigative reporter is determined that Joran van der Sloot is not going to be implicated in anything more serious than the felony of disposing of a body.  WHY???

Think about it.  Peter Devries knows darn well that Joran concedes to Patrick van der Eem in one of the Range Rover drives that he could not be sure that Natalee Holloway was deceased prior to disposal.

Janet

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ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
PETER DEVRIES - COMMENTARY
NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?


If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives.  During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


ACCORDING TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Range Rover Transcripts

PATRICK: How did you know she was dead?

JORAN: She didn't move anymore.

PATRICK: And Daury, did he check?

JORAN: Yeah, he stood over her and looked at her.

PATRICK: That's it? What if she was in coma?"

JORAN: Uh...I don't know. I didn't know [if she was dead], she could have been in a coma, I didn't feel her, but it didn't look good. I didn't know fuckin sure she was dead. Daury looked at her and said she was dead. He just looked at her and said, she's dead. Could've been a coma"

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Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 05, 2009, 01:05:11 PM
THE SHOES

In regards to the shoes ... Joran van der Sloot could not keep his story straight.  Did he dispose of them on the route home or ... did he keep them?

Why does Peter Devries not acknowledge this discrepancy?  Why does this investigative reporter insist that Joran's words in the Range Rover recordings reveal the truth regarding the happening encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning Natalee Holloway went missing? 

Janet

++++++++


ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES

THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and hid his shoes in a storm drain.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008

PETER DE VRIES: Yes, I`m pretty convinced by that. Because it was not a slip of the tongue, what he did. He told -- he did a full confession on tape, not once, not twice but more than ten times. And he did -- there were some days between it. And they were very detailed, and so I`m convince that he told the truth.

Until now, Joran always denied that Natalee died in his presence, and now he confessed that. And he told what he did with the body, and he told how he came home, what he did with his shoes. It`s the complete story.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


ACCORDING TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING


1.  "I threw them away."

JORAN:  No.  These shoes I have thrown them away, I have thrown them away myself. On the way to there... on the way to home... 

PATRICK: You just took them off. 

JORAN: No, on the way to there, you have these puts (drains or manholes)... 

PATRICK: Riolering (storm drains) or something. 

JORAN: Yes.


2.  "I kept my them."

PATRICK:  All I can think is that there is something about those shoes that you do not want them to see.
 
JORAN:  No, of course not. I still have those shoes. I just told those dudes that I left my shoes behind.

+++++

bblj

 
 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 06, 2009, 04:20:53 PM
Peter Devries claims that Patrick van der Eem was paid $37,000 to cover expenses incurred in the making of the Range Rover recording.  Patrick claims he received $300,000 of the $850,000 afforded to Devries by ABC.

Janet

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Holloway Investigation Reopened

Van der Sloot was interviewed last week by the respected Dutch television show "Pauw & Witteman" following reports that De Vries had captured him making statements about the case.

"It is true I told someone. Everybody will see it Sunday," Van der Sloot said, referring to De Vries' planned television show.

"That is what he wanted to hear, so I told him what he wanted to hear," Van der Sloot said, adding that he had built up a relationship with the man he spoke to, but had never fully trusted him.

De Vries has said he paid the man Van der Sloot spoke to, Patrick van der Eem, $37,000 for his help, saying it was to cover his expenses.

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=32411


Posted: Sunday, 03 February 2008 9:44PM
Footage Claims to Solve Aruba Mystery But Informer Took $37,00 Payoff


Perhaps it is because the accused man said in advance he knew the informer, Patrick van der Eem, was a fraud and so lied to him. ...

De Vries admits he paid van der Eem, $37,000 for his help, but said it was to cover his expenses ...

http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/1588314.php?


Disposed - Patrick van der Eem

... The ironic thing of it all is that I roughly got my three hundred thousand Euros after all but in a way completely unexpected. When Peter R offered me half of the rights on foreign sold clips I was told not to expect much. Endemol had no experience selling these clips and even if they did the shelf life of the product is short, only a few days, and seldom sells for much. No one could have predicted that Peter Schouten would walk in and in a matter of days strike an exclusive deal with ABC for 830,000 dollars. Endemol themselves managed to sell only a few thousand Euros worth in Europe. That delivered me just a few hundred Euros shy of the random number I pulled out of my ass for the police. Three hundred thousand turned out to be the lucky number in the cosmic lottery.

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thxJ


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 06, 2009, 05:06:06 PM
Patrick van der Eem's book DISPOSED reveals that this guys motive was big bucks from the start.  His meetings with the Dutch Police (CIE) was an attempt at negotiations in exchange for a confession.  Negotiations was also where it was at when Patrick approach Peter Devries.

Personally ... I contend there is nothing wrong in being compensated for a job well done but ... what I hate is deception.  Why does Peter Devries attempt to white-wash his and Patrick van der Eem's motivations in the media/talk show circuit?

Janet

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CRIME
Cracking the Holloway Case?
Meet the crime writer who believes he's solved the mystery.
By Catharine Skipp | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Feb 8, 2008 | Updated: 10:56  a.m. ET Feb 8, 2008


What is in this for van der Eem?
 
Patrick tells us he just wants to help solve this. He has two children and he is Aruban. He hates what this case has done to Aruba.

Was he compensated for his assistance?

We paid him 25,000 euros over five months.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/2

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Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 06, 2009, 05:35:19 PM
Peter Devries ... the investigative reporter who has an in-depth knowledge of the case ... upholds Joran van der Sloot's claim that he and an unknown accomplish were the only persons who participated in the happenings encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway as well as the disposal of her body.

What about the words of Steve Cohen?  What about the words of the gardener?  What about the words of Mickey John?  What about the words of Jossy Mansur?  What about the words of Freddy?  What about Deepak's own words in statements and emails?  What about the words of Beth Holloway?
 
All the archives that implicate the Kalpoes are negated when Peter Devries upholds Joran van der Sloot's words in the Range Rover recording as the truth..

Janet

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Newsweek - February 8, 2008

Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

No, not at all. On the tapes Joran calls them stupid. I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 09, 2009, 01:09:13 PM
jen3560
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
« Reply #1813 on: December 08, 2009, 12:47:35 PM »


What do you Monkeys think?  I'm more than happy to send this to Peter....

Mr DeVries,

In studying what Joran vd Sloot told to Patrick vd Eem in the recorded discussions they had, we have run across some information you might find interesting.

What if the "Daury" Joran mentioned wasn't a reference to a person at all?

What if "Duarry" was, in fact, a boat?

Who on Aruba would possess such a boat?  Coast Guard?  Law Enforcement?

For obvious reasons, we do not feel comfortable trusting Aruban Law Enforcement to look into this possibility, and are hoping you still have an interest in seeing Justice done for Natalee Holloway.


Joran van der Sloot with Patrick van der Eem


PATRICK:  What's his name?
 
JORAN:  Daury
 
PATRICK:  Daury what?   Is he Dutch?
 
JORAN:  No, well, yes. Half Dutch, half Arubaans. Dutch mother, or something like that.

 
JORAN:  He said to me,  "This is a big problem".  But he has his own boat there on Aruba.


Duarry Boats

Astilleros Neumáticos Duarry S.A. is a Spanish company, founded by Juan Duarry Serra in 1968.
In 1950 the company manufactured latex products but in 1956 the production of boat in cotton fabric was started.
In 1958 the boats production range was expanded and the first boats to be equipped with outboard engine were manufactured. This year was the start of the production of inflatable liferafts for commercial use.Duarry was the pioneer in the manufacturing of Rigid Inflatable boats, with the first sort of boat manufactured in 1960.
 From 1966 to 1982 the range was expanded to the production of special products for military and civil use, such as flexible tanks, buoys, and inflatable product for the industry.
In February 1987 a fire destroyed completely the 9 floor building in the city centre of Barcelona. Since this year Duarry started a new era in Cornellà de Llobregat with the production of liferafts, commercial and leisure boats. Nowadays Duarry has a wide range of boats from 2 m. to 13,50 m. length made of Neoprene - Hypalon tubes and GRP hulls. The liferafts for both commercial and leisure markets are approved according to SOLAS and ISO 9650 with over 120 service stations around the world.
The Duarry's policy is to supply high quality products to our customers and a high standard in after sales service, being recognized by the most prestigious institutions around the world.

Astilleros Neumáticos Duarry S.A. is an ISO 9001-2000 certified company by Bureau Veritas.

http://www.duarry.com/english/quienessomos2.htm


Aruban Radar Turned Off, as Ordered by Law Enforcement

On the Record w/ Greta - November 19, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: And do you know -- and in terms of boats that night, do you know if any thorough investigation, one that you would have confidence in? Has that been done?

JOSSY MANSUR: No, it hasn't been done because that night, somebody in the police force told the people handling the radar that controls the boats in the vicinity on the coast of Aruba -- told them to put it off.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6268.msg1030265#msg1030265


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 09, 2009, 01:19:40 PM

1.  DAURY = STEVE CROES?

Fox News  - June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


On the Record w/ Greta - April 19, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: John, what I heard a little bit earlier today from someone I spoke to in Aruba is that the lawyer for "G.V.C." is also the lawyer — it's a woman — who represented Steve Croes, who is the man who came forward with the false alibi to the police which supported lie number one of Deepak, Satish and Joran.  Do you know anything about the lawyer representing both Steve Croes and now "G.V.C."?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I know that's the situation. It's a woman, and that is the person who represented Croes and would be representing this individual now. And actually, Ms. Janssen, when I talked to her today, she was just getting ready to turn over the dossier to "G.V.C.'s" attorney for review before they did go into court.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, Steve Croes, John — it was sort of a curious thing. He came forward seemingly out of the blue and said that he witnessed Deepak, Satish and Joran dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and stumbling, and then two security guards coming up. That was a complete lie that he sort of volunteered, went to the police. He was taken into custody. He was then released. Is he free and clear of all of this, or is he still somewhat in the mix?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192309,00.html

 
On the Record w/ Greta - April 19, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Then it's bizarre that this lawyer would represent both Steve Croes and GVC because at least here in the United States, I think most lawyers would say that there is a potential for conflict of interest and a lawyer shouldn't be representing both.

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I think that's right .....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192309,00.html


On the Record w/ Greta - April 18, 2006

BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: ......And when I think of Joran van der Sloot and when I think of Steven Croes and I think of this new suspect ( and the lies that were coming out early, very early, the moment we arrived on the island, if we find out that these three suspects are acquaintances or know each other — somebody needs to connect the dots. I mean, there certainly is a reason why Steven Croes came forward early on and stated, lied to the authorities that he had seen the two security guards taking Natalee. You know, people don't just do that for no reason, Greta. Somebody needs to connect the dots on those three, if they know each other.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192141,00.html


2.  STEVE CROES = LORENZO VAN RIJN

Dana Pretzer Show - June 18, 2006


JOSSY MANSUR:

I do know what our reporters have been able to find, Lorenzo is a half brother of Joran. He has a boat. He lives in a secluded section of the island, very close to Joran. I don't know if he was questioned, but people mention his name quite often in regard to this case.

http://sundaynightsatellite.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2006&post_month=06&post_day=18
 




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 12:41:48 PM
SELF-EDIT

2.  STEVE CROES = LORENZO VAN RIJN s/b  2.  DAURY = LORENZO VAN RIJN


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 01:01:56 PM
Posted at GM by GBMW:

Part of online Diary of Peter R. de Vries today:

Ik ben vandaag druk met de uitzending van aanstaande zondag, waar we weer eens aandacht besteden aan Joran van der Sloot. Er gaat bijna geen dag voorbij of iemand vraagt wel aan me hoe het toch met de hem en de zaak van Natalee Holloway staat. Welnu, daar komt zondag een antwoord op, met heel interessante beelden!

Today I'm busy with the broadcast of this coming Sunday which will address Joran van der Sloot again. Hardly a day goes by without someone asking me what's going on with him and Natalee Holloway's case. Well, you'll get an answer this coming Sunday, with very interesting footage!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

1.  Considering GBMW's position regarding the non-involvement of Paulus van der Sloot and the Kalpoes in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ...

2.  Considering GBMW's position regarding what others perceive as a corrupt investigation that has prevent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ...

3.  Considering GBMW's position regarding who really should be to blame in regards that hardship suffered by the Aruban people as a result of the boycott ...

4.  Consider GBMW's position regarding a troll by the name of Charierat ...

Janet

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GBMW
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #753 on: May 07, 2008, 03:54:26 PM »


But I don't think Paulus was around the moment when something happened to Natalee....I believe Joran was around though. What did Paulus do that night according to you that would implicate him so much? You don't think he would have protected Joran no matter if he (Paulus) was involved or not?

Paulus has helped Joran to protect him from the legal consequences....yes. And because of this Paulus & Joran will be protected....Joran for his actions that night & Paulus for his actions after that night....since Paulus has got info on other people they will never allow for the complete truth ever to come out of what happened that night and how they tried to cover everything up. That's how I look at it at the moment....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg379756#msg379756


GBMW
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #264 on: May 05, 2008, 11:42:15 AM »


I'm also not that convinced about the involvement of the Kalpoe Brothers or the huge cover up as most SM posters are. Neither do I believe that Peter, Joran & Patrick worked together...that the confessions how was a cover up...and I'm not for a boycott.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378915#msg378915


GBMW
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
« Reply #821 on: June 18, 2008, 05:28:07 PM »


I don't think the Dutch & Aruban officials are that corrupt.....I do believe they are doing the best they can. Of course not all of them...dishonest people are everywhere.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2918.msg390863#msg390863


GBMW
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
« Reply #815 on: May 15, 2008, 10:01:20 AM »


Beth hasn't been an angel in this case....100% understandable and I don't blame her...but it doesn't mean innocent people didn't get hurt enormously because of her.

I'm getting the feeling I'll have to go to RU and give a big fat apology for defending this forum.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg381577#msg381577


GBMW
Re: THE KALPOE'S INVOLVEMENT
« Reply #126 on: June 19, 2008, 12:05:48 AM »


Kick Charlierat in his nuts? Sorry...I like him so your thanks is a bit premature.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2823.msg391009#msg391009


GBMW
Re: THE KALPOE'S INVOLVEMENT
« Reply #128 on: June 19, 2008, 12:57:23 PM »


Why would I dislike him (Charlierat)? I don't know him that well and I don't always agree with his posts or the way he posts but he's been nothing but kind to me.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2823.msg391175#msg391175


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 11, 2009, 12:20:17 PM
Quote from: klaasend on December 09, 2009, 11:53:15 PM

Aruba
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_66190.php

Strafzaak tegen Patrick van der Eem
9 Dec, 2009, 12:49 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — Patrick van der Eem verschijnt aanstaande donderdag voor de rechter. Van der Eem werd in augustus opgepakt en voorgeleid voor de rechter-commissaris. Hij was toen gearresteerd wegens bedreiging en cocaïnebezit. Het is vooral de bedreiging dat de Justitie zeer serieus neemt en dus meer tijd in wilde steken voor nader onderzoek. Van der Eem zou een medewerker van het Radisson Hotel waarin hij verbleef hebben bedreigd met de dood. Hij werd in zijn hotelkamer aangehouden door de politie. Van der Eem is bekend geworden door zijn bijdrage aan een uitzending van het televisieprogramma Peter R. de Vries, misdaadverslaggever over de zaak-Holloway, de verdwijning van het Amerikaanse meisje Natalee Holloway op Aruba. Verder is hij al eerder betrokken geweest bij een drugszaak. Zo zou hij het litteken die hij op de linkerkant van zijn gezicht heeft, tijdens zijn rol in die drugszaak hebben opgelopen. Daarnaast werd Van der Eem in december 2008 kort gearresteerd na aangifte wegens mishandeling van zijn vriendin.

Translation:

Oranjestad - Patrick van der Eem to appear in court next Thursday. Van der Eem was arrested in August and brought before the judge-commisioner. He was arrested for cocaine possession and threat. It is especially the threat that the Justice department takes very seriously and therefore wanted to take more time for an investigation. Van der Eem allegedly threatened an employee of the Radisson Hotel where he stayed, with death. He was arrested in his hotel room by the police. Van der Eem is known for his contribution to the television broadcast of Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter on the Holloway case, the disappearance of the American girl Natalee Holloway in Aruba. Furthermore, he already has been involved in a drug case. Allegedly the scar he has on the left side of his face he sustained for his role in that drug case. Van der Eem was also shortly arrested in December 2008 after pressed charges of abuse of his girlfriend.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 11, 2009, 12:24:05 PM
PETER DEVRIES

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: What -- how did you know Patrick?

PETER DE VRIES: Well, Patrick came up to me because in Holland, it is known that I'm intrigued and interested in the disappearance of Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does Patrick do for a living? Who is he?

DE VRIES: Patrick is a businessman. He has his own business. He has a criminal record for 12 or 13 years ago. He was convicted for drugs possession. But after that, he became a respected businessman.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is his business, do you know?

DE VRIES: Yes, it's a technical thing. I don't know exactly what it is, but it's OK.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


PATRICK VAN DER EEM

Van de Sloot mole beats wife with crowbar
Tuesday 28 April 2009


Patrick van der Eem, who befriended Joran van der Sloot and then secretly recorded him confessing to being with Natalee Holloway when she died, has been give a 30 hour community service sentence for hitting his girlfriend with a crowbar

Trouw reports that Van der Eem was found guilty of attacking the woman in Arnhem last December. He claimed to have been under the influence of drugs at the time.

Van der Eem has a known cocaine addiction and was said to have used drugs while making the recordings of Van de Sloot speaking about the American teenager's disappearance.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/04/van_de_sloot_mole_beats_wife_w.php


Holloway case arrest in Aruba
Published on 26 August 2009 - 10:14pm


Aruban police have arrested Patrick van der Eem in a hotel in Oranjestad. Van der Eem gained notoriety when he befriended Joran van der Sloot, the chief suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, and secretly recorded him boasting about his role in Ms Holloway's disappearance.

Van de Eem was working for Dutch crime reporter Peter R de Vries and the tapes were broadcast on Dutch and US television. The programme won Mr de Vries an Emmy award. Van der Eem's participation in the programme was controversial as he has a number of convictions.
 
Police arrested him after he allegedly stayed in the Radidsson hotel without paying and threatened hotel personnel. Police say he had cocaine on his person at the time of his arrest and he had also stayed at three other expensive hotels in Aruba and left without paying.
 
Natalee vanished on the Caribbean island of Aruba - part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands - on 30 May 2005. Joran van der Sloot has been arrested twice in connection with her disappearance, but without conclusive evidence he has never been brought to trial.

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/holloway-case-arrest-aruba


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 11, 2009, 12:50:25 PM
Considering Dutch/Aruban authorities do not appear to be taking action ... I assume it is legal under Dutch law to broadcast a leaked video of a suspect being interrogated in an open investigation.
I assume that there is an internal investigation taking place as far as the leak.

Janet

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Posted by Glenda at RU:

Peter de Vries on Sunday

http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/december/11-12-09/P03.pdf

Rough Dutch to English translation

Iinterrogation Recordings of Joran on TV

From our correspondent

Orange City / Hilversum - Video Recording of the interrogation of Joran van der Sloot by the police will be aired this Sunday night on Dutch Television.

Crime Reporter Peter R. de Vries has managed obtain exclusive images of Van der Sloot being interrogated by investigators as the main suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Case Holloway.

It is from the interrogation last year in the Netherlands after the hidden camera 'Car talks' with Patrick van der Eem.


The "Car talks" were arranged by Peter R. the Vries. The broadcasting of the recordings earned him an exception record of over 7 million viewers also an Emmy Award. Video images will be aired this Sunday in a program from De Vries.

You will see how the suspect dressed in a thick jacket and with a woolen cap on his head as he enters the interrogation room and takes place on a chair behind a desk. Investigators hold him the question 'what is happened to your #ucking shoes?"

The question has to do with the fact that Joran on the night of Holloway's disappearance - May 30. 2005 - he lost his shoes, with or without intent to possible to suppress incriminating evidence.

Although the prosecution never has never been able to prove Van der Sloot knows what happened that night, the most likely scenario is broadly consistent with what he said in the car with Van der Eem: During a lovemaking on the beach near Fisherman's Huts the girl was probably by a combination lot of alcohol and possibly (party) drugs became unwell. Then became unconscious, after that Joran, in panic, dumped her body at sea. As he said, he receive some help from a friend.

The program of De Vries with the images of the interogation will be broadcast Sunday evening by SBS 6.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 11, 2009, 03:05:02 PM
Justice interrogates Joran
Amigoe.com
02/09/2008


ORANJESTAD -- Joran van der Sloot declared that the conversations in Patrick van der Eem’s car, were carried on under influence of marihuana. He said this at a police station in Rotterdam, where he was voluntarily interrogated yesterday morning.

Detectives of the Aruban police and of the Corps national police service (KLPD) and his Dutch lawyer were present at the interrogation that lasted about two hours, said the Public Prosecutor (OM).
 
Other than that, Van der Sloot stuck to all his prior declarations in the investigation. He denies having anything to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, said the OM. He could leave after the interrogation. The examining magistrate decided on February 5 that Joran van der Sloot is not to be detained. The OM has appealed that decision and expects a verdict from the Common Court of Justice. ...

Posted by Getagrip at 2/11/2008 10:42:00 AM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 11, 2009, 04:29:40 PM
Posted by Glenda at RU:

Peter de Vries on Sunday

http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/december/11-12-09/P03.pdf

Rough Dutch to English translation

Iinterrogation Recordings of Joran on TV

From our correspondent

Orange City / Hilversum - Video Recording of the interrogation of Joran van der Sloot by the police will be aired this Sunday night on Dutch Television.

Crime Reporter Peter R. de Vries has managed obtain exclusive images of Van der Sloot being interrogated by investigators as the main suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Case Holloway.
It is from the interrogation last year in the Netherlands after the hidden camera 'Car talks' with Patrick van der Eem.

The "Car talks" were arranged by Peter R. the Vries. The broadcasting of the recordings earned him an exception record of over 7 million viewers
also an Emmy Award. Video images will be aired this Sunday in a program from De Vries.

You will see how the suspect dressed in a thick jacket and with a woolen cap on his head as he enters the interrogation room and takes place on a chair behind a desk. Investigators hold him the question 'what is happened to your #ucking shoes?"

The question has to do with the fact that Joran on the night of Holloway's disappearance - May 30. 2005 - he lost his shoes, with or without intent to possible to suppress incriminating evidence.

Although the prosecution never has never been able to prove Van der Sloot knows what happened that night, the most likely scenario is broadly consistent with what he said in the car with Van der Eem:

During a lovemaking on the beach near Fisherman's Huts the girl was probably by a combination lot of alcohol and possibly (party) drugs became unwell. Then became unconscious, after that Joran, in panic, dumped her body at sea. As he said, he receive some help from a friend.

The program of De Vries with the images of the interogation will be broadcast Sunday evening by SBS 6.

Joran van der Sloot relates two versions on the Range Rover recordings in regards to what he did with his shoes.  When the ROV images are considered ... in my opinion ... BOTH versions regarding the topic of the shoes are lies.

Peter Devries fails to acknowledge both versions of Joran's "full confession" on the talk show circuit.  Why?

Janet

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ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES
 
Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008


PETER DE VRIES: Yes, I`m pretty convinced by that. Because it was not a slip of the tongue, what he did. He told -- he did a full confession on tape, not once, not twice but more than ten times. And he did -- there were some days between it. And they were very detailed, and so I'm convince that he told the truth.
 
Until now, Joran always denied that Natalee died in his presence, and now he confessed that. And he told what he did with the body, and he told how he came home, what he did with his shoes. It`s the complete story.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

The Range Rover Transcript:

1.  "I threw them away."


JORAN:  No.  These shoes I have thrown them away, I have thrown them away myself. On the way to there... on the way to home... 

PATRICK: You just took them off. 

JORAN: No, on the way to there, you have these puts (drains or manholes)... 

PATRICK: Riolering (storm drains) or something. 

JORAN: Yes.
 

2.  "I kept them."

PATRICK:  All I can think is that there is something about those shoes that you do not want them to see.
 
JORAN:  No, of course not. I still have those shoes. I just told those dudes that I left my shoes behind.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 11, 2009, 10:23:24 PM
Quote from: klaasend on February 07, 2008, 01:18:36 PM

http://amigoe.com/english/

Last Update: Wednesday, February 06, 2008

Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands

ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police.

Other sources indicated that justice has also contacted the murder suspect of Natalee Holloway today.  It is possible that chief prosecutor Hans Mos is also going to be present.  He left for the Netherlands yesterday, supposedly for holidays, said the OM.

Journalists have meanwhile started a chase on the ‘real Daury’.  According to crime journalist Peter R. de Vries, who gave the Holloway-case a new impulse last week with an undercover operation, the presented Daury Rodriguez is not the Daury that Joran meant.  He beeped away the last name of Daury in the footage of his investigation.  Daury Rodriguez denied having been the person that helped Joran van der Sloot dispose of Natalee Holloway’s body.  He was in the Netherlands when this happened in Aruba. 

According to the local radio station Cool FM and a journalist of the Dutch current affairs column Network, a half brother of Joran, a Lorenzo van R., does fit the profile.   He does have a boat and his name has already appeared earlier in the Holloway-file.  Peter R. de Vries has confirmed having heard of Lorenzo van R.’s name, but that he didn’t want to use him for his programme.  The Dutch programme Nova and other media have also mentioned other names, especially names of boys that often hang about the ‘surfing circuit’ near the Fisherman’s Hut next to the Marriott.    

Peter R. de Vries and Patrick van der Eem, the man that elicited a confession from Joran on hidden cameras, are thinking more of the ‘poker circuit’.  Van der Eem says that Joran is addicted to playing poker.  Like former chief of police Gerold Dompig already said in the past, Joran is a meritorious poker player and won quite a bit of money with poker tournaments.  The just 20-year old Joran sometimes gambled away 4000 euro with a night out playing poker.  According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.  Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

PREMIER

For prime Minister Nelson Oduber, the Holloway-case cannot be over with fast enough.  He said in Nova that Aruba has already lost tens of millions American dollars in damages, due to the Natalee Holloway case.

Chair Rob Smith of tourist organization Ahata is of the opinion that it won’t get to that this time.  “This time, the effects of the case will be significantly less than a few years ago.  I think that the weak American economy is a more important factor for the tourists to stay away.  As destination for short vacations, Aruba remains popular, but I worry more for the summer, when the American middle class traditionally visit the island.”

It appeared from a tourist inquiry that the Natalee Holloway-case was also not the most important factor for the tourism to drop in 2005.  The most important reasons were the oil prices, the economic recession, expensive airline tickets, fewer hotel rooms due to renovations (some hotels were even close), and hurricanes.  The effect of the Holloway-case was already to a smaller extent at that time.  The tourist branch is this year waiting to see what the collapsing of the housing market in the US will mean for the tourism here and thus the American economy.

“All and all in 2005, the Holloway-case has cost us a maximum of 6 points on the scale that we maintain for tourism proceeds”, explains Smith.  “Each point less costs the economy an estimate of 25 million guilders.  But compared with the region, we nevertheless did well in 2005



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 11, 2009, 10:25:56 PM
THE TAIL IS WAGGING THE DOG

Nancy - February 5, 2008

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": Well, the latest is that, besides what we already know about the tapes, that Joran has said that he is willing to meet with the police (INAUDIBLE) the prosecution in Holland, and the meeting apparently has been set for the day after tomorrow. And Mos is traveling to Holland probably tomorrow.

Personally, I don`t understand this because it seems to me that Joran is still calling the shots and that he is willing to meet with the police when he wants to.

GRACE: Talk about the tail wagging the dog. Joran Van Der Sloot and his family have been the tail in this scenario since the get-go. Now he`s telling police when it`s convenient for him to meet with them, when we know for nearly three years, he has looked police straight in the eye and lied. Will this be any different?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/05/ng.01.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2009, 12:22:58 PM
In my opinion ... Private Eye's warning to the Kyle and the Persistence crew are words of wisdom that should have been heeded by Patrick van der Eem and Peter Devries.

I cannot comprehend what was behind the logic of an investigative reporter with an in-depth knowledge of the case collaborating with the Aruban/Dutch enemy while ... at the same time ... claiming a positive outcome regarding justice for Natalee Holloway was the expectation.

Janet

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NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

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ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES
 
Aruba:  no action yet against Dutch student
Sunday 03 February 2008

 
De Vries told the Nova current affairs show on Saturday evening that the Aruban authorities did not know everything about his new evidence.  'I do not have to report to them,' he said.
 
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/aruba_no_action_yet_against_du.php
 

ACCORDING TO ARUBAN/DUTCH MEDIA

Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – ... After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   

http://amigoe.com/english/

 
ACCORDING TO ARUBAN/DUTCH MEDIA
 
Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea ...

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip

 
ACCORDING TO PATRICK VANDER EEM
 
Disposed - Patrick vander Eem


Chapter 9:  ... It took a week and a half for someone to contact me. As they say the waiting is the hardest part but there was nothing to be done about it since you can’t directly contact the CIE (Criminal Information Unit of the Dutch police which collects information on organized crime and big crime cases). They have to call you.

Frank had passed along that the information was pertaining to Joran van der Sloot. I told the man on the phone that I befriended Joran with the purpose of getting him to talk and that it might be interesting for them if we speak. Within a week I had an appointment to meet two CIE agents.
 
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13561414/Patrick-van-der-Eem-book

 
ACCORDING TO PATRICK VANDER EEM

Disposed - Patrick vander Eem
 
Chapter 18:
  ... The vacation ended far too soon and there I was back in the Netherlands.  Joran called me and said 'Hey, are we going to do something?  Am I going to see you?'  So I had arranged to see him on January 29.
 
The Range Rover we had used was brought back because apparently the place the crime show rented it from had sold it.  The gave us one that was, to say the least, different.  The slick black interior was now brown for a start.  How the hell was I going to explain this away to Joran?  I could always tell him that they were pimping my ride and this was a loaner.
 
This trip I had to focus on how Natalee died.
 
Daury?  Was that really his name or had Joran made that up to protect the real person who helped him?  I knew I had to stick to the script as much as I could this time.
 
... That night we hit the casino and the red light district in Arnhem.  It was really late when I decided to take him home we ran into a police checkpoint on the way out of the red light district.
 
I stopped the way I should and the officer asks for my driver's licence.  He asks if the car is mine and I say it's a rental because mine is in the shop.  Then he wants to see the paper work.  The rental agreement is listed to Endemol.  So I'm afraid the copy will say 'So you work for Endemol' with Joran sitting next to me.  I quickly step out of the car to talk with the police officer.
 
Another officer comes over and we all talk nicely and it gets straightened out.  No problems.  They let me go on my way. Who knows, when they checked my documents they got a big 'leave this car alone' on their screen.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13561414/Patrick-van-der-Eem-book

 
ACCORDING TO BETH HOLLOWAY
 
'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/

 
ACCORDING TO BETH HOLLOWAY
 
On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2009, 08:13:28 PM
Continued ...

ACCORDING TO DAVE HOLLOWAY

Dave Holloway - Corruption in Paradise


Page 173:  It apears that many of the people involved with the investigation into Natalee's disappearance are either corrupt, incompetent, or are pursuing an agenda different from finding Natalee

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


On the Record w/ Greta - April 11, 2006

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html

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Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2009, 08:46:33 PM
Why was there no attempt by Joran van der Sloot’s attorneys and/or Paulus van der Sloot and/or Hans Mos and/or Dolf Richardson to prevent the release of “new evidence”.  Two days following the previewing of the tapes and the reopening of the investigation … the broadcast revealing the “secret” recordings was aired.

Why is there no attempt by Joran van der Sloot’s attorneys and/or Paulus van der Sloot and/or Hans Mos and/or Dolf Richardson to prevent Peter Devries' Sunday broadcast?  After all … according to Hans Mos … the Natalee Holloway case is still an open investigation and Joran van der Sloot is still the prime suspect.

The lack of a reported challenge by those who have been behind the cover-up to protect Paulus and Joran from implication … the cover-up that has prevented justice from prevailing for an eighteen year old American citizen for almost five years and have put a family through a H--- on Earth is somewhat confusing.

Janet

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THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS BROADCAST – February 3, 2008

Joran Van Der Sloot Says He Spoke of Involvement in Natalee Holloway Disappearance but Was Lying

Friday, February 01, 2008


Earlier Friday, Aruban prosecutors said they were reopening their investigation into the disappearance of the Alabama teenager after seeing De Vries' secretly taped material.

"The recordings made available to the Public Prosecutor have given the Public Prosecutor a reason to reopen the investigation," the office said in a statement.

De Vries has promised to broadcast on Sunday a secretly taped "confession" by one of the suspects in Holloway's May 2005 disappearance.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327705,00.html


THE INTERROGATION OF JORAN BROADCAST – December 13, 2008


Posted by Glenda at RU:

<snipped>

http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/december/11-12-09/P03.pdf

Orange City / Hilversum - Video Recording of the interrogation of Joran van der Sloot by the police will be aired this Sunday night on Dutch Television.

Crime Reporter Peter R. de Vries has managed obtain exclusive images of Van der Sloot being interrogated by investigators as the main suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Case Holloway. …



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 14, 2009, 03:10:39 PM
THE APPEAL

It is the definition of irony.  The prosecution requests an appeal of the lower courts decision not to to detain Joran van der Sloot in regards to his words on the Range Rover recordings but ... it is the words of the prosecution that formed part of the negative decision afforded by the Court of Appeal.

Joran van der Sloot had the prosecutor and his defence team as advocates in the investigation.  Natalee Holloway had nobody advocating for her.

Janet

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Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
« Reply #912 on: February 15, 2008, 09:08:47 PM »


February 15, 2008
Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.
J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

The Court of Appeal announced by the end of yesterday, February 14th, 2008, its decision to uphold the refusal by the investigating judge to order pre-trial detention of J.v.d.S. in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Office of the Public Prosecutor had requested such an order after the “Peter R de Vries-tapes” had been received by the Office and had been evaluated. Last week the Office appealed the ruling of refusal by the judge.

The reasons underlying the Court’s decision are the following. The Court has seen the visual materials, has listened to the audio materials and has inspected the verbatim reports. Based on that, the Court is of the opinion that there is a lack of sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspect’s involvement in the crimes for which he is being held responsible by the prosecution. The Court will generally be a bit more hesitant when it has to decide on a new request for pre-trial detention of a suspect, when that same suspect has been detained repeatedly before and there has been a considerable lapse of time.

J.v.d.S. has given extensive and detailed statements in Patrick van der Eem’s car, the undercover citizen who worked for Peter R. de Vries, on what happened during the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless the Court sees various reasons not to accept the serious grounds of suspicion which are statutorily required for pre-trial detention. One of them is the history of contradictory statements by J.v.d.S., which were belied repeatedly by objective findings.

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”  

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested.

The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2605.msg350819;topicseen#msg350819


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 14, 2009, 04:41:25 PM
In the Range Rover recording ... Joran changes his story in regards to who has knowledge over the location of Natalee Holloway's body.

On his website and ... in the media/talk show circuit ... why did Peter Devires dwell on one segment that implicated "Daury" in the disposal and ... ignore the segment that implicated "higher powers".

Janet

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ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES

THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


ACCORDING THE JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Range Rover Transcript - Higher Powers?

PATRICK: But where the f*** is she Joran?

JORAN: She’ll never be found. Where exactly, I don’t even know myself.

PATRICK: How can that be that you don’t even know then?

JORAN: Well...

PATRICK: A higher power?

JORAN:  A higher power? Powers.


Range Rover Recording - Daury?

PATRICK:  What's his name?
 
JORAN:  Daury
________
 
JORAN:  His boat was standing there by the pier, and I knew that also, you know, and he told me, then help me for a while, so we have taken to the boat.
 
PATRICK:  Lifted her up?
 
JORAN:  Yes, the two of us just quickly.
____

PATRICK:  You walk home and he sails (varen) out straight away?
 
JORAN:  He sails out straight away.  From what he told me, from what he told me, I think he did not even went out two kilometers or so. He told me he just took the boat, went far, threw her out, and came back. Put the boat back, and he then came to visit me at home. And we talked for some time.

Pbbl


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 14, 2009, 06:13:29 PM
Considering the world knew that Joran had agreed to be interrogated ... why were his attorneys not advising him to the contrary?  Why were his attorneys not present?

Janet

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Posted by GBMW at GM:

8-02-2008 Joran giving a statement because of the Patrick van der Eem - Peter R. de Vries / Range Rover footage.

In Rotterdam; a detective + Dolph Richardson


10:17
Joran alone in the room...playing with his hat.

10:49
Joran: I don't want to talk about the Holloway case.
Detective: This is a hearing of you. Your status: suspect. Aruba has decided to re-open the investigation based on the current facts.

10:22
Detective: You came to the policestation voluntarily because, so we understood from the media - from the lips of your lawyer - that you want to make a statement.
Joran: That is correct. Let me start by saying I've got a huge imagination...and I'm staying with my previous statements given to the police - thus not the one at Peter R. de Vries - ...that I'm keeping to those. That is what happened. And that what is talked about there (meaning the Peter R. de Vries tapes)...I've fantasized it all.

10:25
Joran: I wanted him to think I'm a smart guy...and that I would know what to do in a difficult situation.
Detective: Impress him?
Joran: Yes.
Detective: So it was more like presenting your CV: this is what you get.
Joran: Well, in the 8 months with me he's insinuated things towards me a few times...I just knew: that is what he wants to hear...a story like that. I've had plenty of time to come up with something. I'm familiar with the case myself so I've also been thinking: what could possibly have happened. This is a scenario I choose to tell him but it's not based on the truth.

10:40
Joran: I wanted, because of his stories he didn't know,....I figured...okay...I'm going to tell him that I got away with something like that.
Detective: And you use the disappearance of Natalee for that?
Joran: And I used the disappearance of Natalee for that.

10:25
Detective: Tell, from your experience, the essential points...from the whole story...from all the conversations you had with Patrick what were deliberate lies..
Joran: Yes...that's all I supposedly have done.
Dolph Richardson: Tangible.
Detective: Very tangible. According to me there are things that went the way they went.
Joran is silent for a bit and says then: Yeah...everything you...I'm referring to my previous statements to the police. Everything I told there is based on the truth.

10:48
Detective: Only, in the file as it is, there are facts and circumstances you can or can't easily validate. You don't do that.
Silence for a bit.
The simple fact: if we assume the given: Joran at the beach with Natalee. The simple fact: Joran leaves the beach & goes home. How?
Joran: I've also given a previous statement about that as well.
Detective: Yeah...which version is it?
Joran (annoyed & arrogant): You're not listening very well.
Detective: I am listening.
Joran: I'm staying with my last version....
Dolph Richardson: And what was that?
Joran is silent for a short time...says then: Yeah, I'm saying I'm staying with that statement...you have to go back to that statement.
Detective: No, I've just said not any of that  'seek the difference'.
Joran: I'm telling you: I'm staying with my last given statements. And I don't want to discuss the Holloway case.

10:43
Dolph Richardson (annoyed): I'm done with it!
Joran: Okay.
Dolph Richardson: So tell the truth. We start again...tell the truth! I didn't come here to listen to this bullshit story, sorry.
Joran: Okay, then we're done.
Dolph Richardson: No, tell the truth.
Joran: Then I'm exercising my right to be silent...then we're done here. Piece of cake. Okay...then I'm leaving now.

11:49
Detective: Come with your truth.
Joran: I've given that already.
Detective: Then I'm asking you...what is your truth?
Joran (annoyed & arrogant): If I have to say it a 100 times, I will say it a 100 times: I'm referring to my previous statements.
Detective: Holiday Inn...your truth. It's in the file.
Joran: Yes, that's in the file.
Detective: Without a doubt it is certain that it was a big bullshit story. That is your truth. Then you're still talking bullshit, Joran.
Joran: Well, that is my truth.

11:54
Detective: And may I - based on the de Vries tapes & the file -  perhaps ask a question about your shoes? Clear that up...what happened to your focking shoes?
Joran: I'd rather not...I'd rather talk about something that is founded on proof.
? (don't know who's saying this): For example the shoes.
Dolph Richardson: What can you proof?
Joran: If I don't know where they are how can I give proof?
Detective: Tell us where to look.
Joran: I don't know...I left them at the beach so I don't know. And I don't want to discuss that. (emphasizing this)

11:01
Detective: We have found Daury. So that's correct.
Joran: But he doesn't know anything. Daury is someone I gotten to know on Aruba...I told you.
Detective: Yes, but we've found Daury. We've talked to Daury.
Joran: That's just the name I came up with for some reason.

12:17
Detective: How do you prove based on the Peter R. de Vries tapes that Natalee didn't die or pass out in your arms?
Joran: I'm saying that that isn't true. You will just have to believe me on my big brown eyes.
Detective: No, that's not possible anymore.
Joran: Yeah...but how do you want me to say it otherwise?
Detective: That is over and done with....can't happen anymore.
Joran (annoyed): You know damn well I can't prove that. What you're coming up with are things...
Detective: No...so you can't prove that.
Joran: No.

12:20
starts in the middle of a sentence...
Detective: ....that you, also in this conversation, and that is an indisputable fact...let me express myself carefully...aren't telling the truth.
At this moment Joran looks away...not meeting the detective's / Dolph Richardson's eyes.
Joran makes a move to stand up...
Dolph Richardson: Sit...he's going to prove it. He's not bluffing. That's the difference between my co-worker and you. You're (pointing at Joran) are bluffing and he's (pointing at the detective) not.
Joran (annoyed): Okay...as far as I'm concerned we're done here.
Detective: No, but he can really...he's not bluffing.
Joran: Well, prove it.
Joran is still moving as if in doubt to go or not.
Dolph Richardson: Well listen...sit..
Joran: Come...show your so called proof. You don't have that. I know you don't. So what are you saying that 'you'll prove' while I know that won't be the case?
Detective: I'm fine with it.
Joran: Yes.
Detective: I am (emphasizing this) going to prove that you haven't told the complete truth in today's story.
Dolph Richardson: We are going to prove that.
Detective: And I don't feel any need whatsoever to share this with you at the moment.
Joran: And I don't feel any need whatsoever to hear it.
Dolph Richardson: Good.
Detective: Then we agree on that.
Joran: Yeah. Yeah...then we're done right? Easy.
Detective: We're really done.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 14, 2009, 06:27:46 PM
According to the following article ... Joran van der Sloots attorney was aware the interrogation of his client was going to happen.  Why was he not present?

Janet

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Quote from: klaasend on February 07, 2008, 01:18:36 PM

http://amigoe.com/english/

Last Update: Wednesday, February 06, 2008

Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police.

Other sources indicated that justice has also contacted the murder suspect of Natalee Holloway today.  It is possible that chief prosecutor Hans Mos is also going to be present.  He left for the Netherlands yesterday, supposedly for holidays, said the OM.

<snipped>


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 14, 2009, 11:12:17 PM
Peter Devries gives a heads-up regarding the broadcasting of the Range Rover confession.  Yet there is no revealed challenge from those behind the cover-up agenda attempting to prevent the special from airing.

Why were the following so compliant?

1.  Joran van der Sloot.
2.  Paulus Van der Sloot.
3.  Joran van der Sloot's attorneys.
4.  Hans Mos
5.  Dolphi Richardson

In the Peter Witteman phone interview a couple of days prior to the broadcasting ... Joran is unconcerned.  This guy who has issues in regards to anger is not upset by the betrayal of Patrick vander Eem.  Joran does not harbor any hard feelings against Peter Devries.

What is wrong with this picture?  Where is the outrage?  The phone interview appears to be a promotion of the upcoming broadcast.

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
February 4, 2008


<snipped>

question: Have you talked more to this friend who got this story from you?

Joran: I just had a conversation with him, for about 20 minutes.

question: and did you (uitgekafferd) **** (lol) on him?

Joran: No, I still talk with him normal.

question: But he betrayed you, or not?

Joran: Yes, but he does not want to talk, he says, what is coming is coming on sunday.

question: but we've heard that he received money from peter van de vries, to get a confession from you.

Joran: Yes, I don't know, I think he has more than enough money himself, but, we'll see.
_______

question: do you blame de Vries?

Joran : NO, he does his job, I think that sunday night will bring very good tv night , but it's too bad that with this there are a lot of feelings for a lot of people involved here, and they will be hurt, and that's not a good tv program, but that's the way it is.
______
 
Translation Credit: Marco@RU


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #718 2/01 -
« Reply #375 on: February 02, 2008, 01:41:46 AM
»

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik5an-r3LmI

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2561.msg336476;topicseen#msg336476



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 15, 2009, 02:00:36 PM
THE CASINO

1.  What activities were Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and others (?) actually involved with on evening of May 30, 2005 ... activities that places Joran at the Raquet Club ... back where Joran, Deepak and Satish were observed by the gardener earlier that morning.

2.  Did the activities of the evening of May 30, 2005 concludes with a meeting with Paulus van der Sloot in the early morning hours of May 31, 2005 at the van der Sloot residence ... at the location where Deepak's vehicle was observed just prior to the arrival of Jug, Beth and friends?

3.  Could Art Woods suspicions be right on.  Was Paulus given a heads-up from someone at the police station that the Twitty group was on the way to his residence?  Is this the moment Deepak, Joran and others (?) took off?

Once again ... the archives dispute the words of Joran van der Sloot in the Range Rover recordings ...  dispute Peter Devries claim of a "full confession" ... the "full confession" for which he was afforded  $830,000 by ABC.

Janet

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ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES

THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain. Later on he sat some time behind his computer and the following morning he went to school as usual. The next night he went to the casino ‘just to be recorded on camera’.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


ACCORDING TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

The Road Ranger Transcript:

 
JORAN:  He said to me, what did he say to me, umm, when we were there he said to me, "You do have to go to school tomorrow and stuff.  Because, if there is a missing girl then, umm".
 
PATRICK:  He's smart, Joran.
 
JORAN:  I knew these things too. I said, "You're so right. I just have to do normal things. And on top of that I'm going to the casino to make sure I am on camera and stuff," and he said, "Ok that is fine."
 
 
ACCORDING TO BETH HOLLOWAY

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 44:
  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn.  ... Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45:  We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Case Number: BC3 63401

Name: Holloway Group and MR Stamper
Date: 31 may 2005 / 02:50
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator. Robert Kock / Lindo Pantophlet / Eric Ras
Description: witness statement


Page 45:  At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.  ... Once we arrive Mat and Ruffner, the two men from home, go around to the back to make sure no one tries to leave. Jug gets out and goes to the front  with the officers. The silver Honda isn't there anymore.  ... The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door. He is Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot. He has his cell phone in his hand. The police ask to see Joran. Paulus responds that he isn't home and calls his son to find out where he is. He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

Page 46:  We arrive at the Wyndham, and the car barely stops rolling before I jump out, and literally run through the police officers and Paulus to be the first one in the casino.  Frantically I look left and right and left again, asking the pit bosses if they have seen Joran.  I run straight to the back where Joran told his father he would be and return to the the front.  There is no sign of him.
I turn around to see Paulus on his cell phone again.  He tells us that his son is back at their house now.  He is there with his friend, Deepak Kalpoe, the owner of the silver Honda.

Page 47:  We are instructed to go back to the van der Slooot residence, where Joran is now waiting.  ... We arrive to see people standing in front of the house.  They are Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot.

Page 48:  It’s about three o’clock in the morning .  It’s a school night.  They (Joran and Deepak) aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino.  They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts.  I make a mental note that I will ask to be the casino footage from the Wyndham later on.  Just to see if they were really there tonight – or, rather, this morning.
 
Page 121:  And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were standing in the van der Sloots’ front yard ... .

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Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 16, 2009, 12:44:24 PM
I do read Tamikosmom... ::MonkeyCool::..Merry christmas & Happy New Year! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 16, 2009, 02:02:31 PM
I do read Tamikosmom... ::MonkeyCool::..Merry christmas & Happy New Year! ::MonkeyAngel::

Merry Christmas to you and yours Keepthefaith.

Janet

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Luke 2:8-11

... And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.  And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.  And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 16, 2009, 02:10:42 PM
I do read Tamikosmom... ::MonkeyCool::..Merry christmas & Happy New Year! ::MonkeyAngel::

Merry Christmas to you and yours Keepthefaith.

Janet

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Luke 2:8-11

... And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.  And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.  And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.




God Bless Janet.Just wanted to wish you a happy holiday season.I do read the thread and take all angles into account to form my own opinion.Back to reading so i don't mess up the thread ! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 16, 2009, 02:22:27 PM
THE WINDFALL

Patrick van der Eem's book DISPOSED reveals that his motive was big bucks from the start.  His meetings with the Dutch Police (CIE) was an attempt at a negotiation settlement in exchange for a confession from Joran van der Sloot.  Negotiations were also where it was at when Patrick approach Peter Devries.

Why does Peter Devries attempt to downplay Patrick van der Eem's self-serving motivations behind the Range Rover recordings.  Then there is the silence from Devries in regards to his financial windfall from the Disney/ABC Network?

What truths ... that encompassing the morning of May 30,2005 ... were revealed in the Range Rover recordings?  What truths were revealed that entitled Peter Devries to a $830,000 payout?

Think about it.  The archives dispute every word that spewed from Joran's lips EXCEPT the segment regarding the seizure suffered by Natalee Holloway.

Janet

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ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES - FEBRUARY 8, 2008
 
CRIME
Cracking the Holloway Case?
Meet the crime writer who believes he's solved the mystery.
By Catharine Skipp | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Feb 8, 2008 | Updated: 10:56  a.m. ET Feb 8, 2008


What is in this for van der Eem?
 
Patrick tells us he just wants to help solve this. He has two children and he is Aruban. He hates what this case has done to Aruba.

Was he compensated for his assistance?

We paid him 25,000 euros ($37,000) over five months.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/2


ACCORDING TO PATRICK VANDER EEM - FEBRUARY 2, 2008
 
Disposed - Patrick vander Eem

Chapter 21


Friday the second of February the prosecutor’s office of Aruba announced that it would reopen the Holloway case

The night before Peter Schouten had sealed an exclusive deal with ABC in his hotel room with a handwritten contract. After the interview he told me the amount he sold the rights for to ABC. I was astonished and had to pinch myself in my arm.

Chapter 23

The ironic thing of it all is that I roughly got my three hundred thousand Euros after all but in a way completely unexpected. When Peter R offered me half of the rights on foreign sold clips I was told not to expect much. Endemol had no experience selling these clips and even if they did the shelf life of the product is short, only a few days, and seldom sells for much. No one could have predicted that Peter Schouten would walk in and in a matter of days strike an exclusive deal with ABC for 830,000 dollars.  Endemol themselves managed to sell only a few thousand Euros worth in Europe.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13561414/Patrick-van-der-Eem-book
 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 16, 2009, 03:58:13 PM
Peter Devries gave the world a heads up in regards to December 13, 2009 broadcast of the interrogation of Joran van der Sloot in February, 2008.  The promotion was on his own website.

Why did Dutch/Aruban authorities not do something to prevent the airing?  I am sure there are legal grounds.  After all ... the Natalee Holloway investigation has not been closed and ... Joran is the prime suspect.

What is wrong with this picture?  Think about it ... if Tamikosmom were announcing an upcoming broadcast of this interrogation .....

Janet

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Posted at GM by GBMW:

Part of online Diary of Peter R. de Vries today:

Ik ben vandaag druk met de uitzending van aanstaande zondag, waar we weer eens aandacht besteden aan Joran van der Sloot. Er gaat bijna geen dag voorbij of iemand vraagt wel aan me hoe het toch met de hem en de zaak van Natalee Holloway staat. Welnu, daar komt zondag een antwoord op, met heel interessante beelden!

Today I'm busy with the broadcast of this coming Sunday which will address Joran van der Sloot again. Hardly a day goes by without someone asking me what's going on with him and Natalee Holloway's case. Well, you'll get an answer this coming Sunday, with very interesting footage!


Posted by Glenda at RU:

Peter de Vries on Sunday

http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/december/11-12-09/P03.pdf

Rough Dutch to English translation

Interrogation Recordings of Joran on TV

From our correspondent

Orange City / Hilversum - Video Recording of the interrogation of Joran van der Sloot by the police will be aired this Sunday night on Dutch Television.

Crime Reporter Peter R. de Vries has managed obtain exclusive images of Van der Sloot being interrogated by investigators as the main suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Case Holloway.

It is from the interrogation last year in the Netherlands after the hidden camera 'Car talks' with Patrick van der Eem.

The "Car talks" were arranged by Peter R. the Vries. The broadcasting of the recordings earned him an exception record of over 7 million viewers also an Emmy Award. Video images will be aired this Sunday in a program from De Vries.

You will see how the suspect dressed in a thick jacket and with a woolen cap on his head as he enters the interrogation room and takes place on a chair behind a desk. Investigators hold him the question 'what is happened to your #ucking shoes?"

The question has to do with the fact that Joran on the night of Holloway's disappearance - May 30. 2005 - he lost his shoes, with or without intent to possible to suppress incriminating evidence.

Although the prosecution never has never been able to prove Van der Sloot knows what happened that night, the most likely scenario is broadly consistent with what he said in the car with Van der Eem: During a lovemaking on the beach near Fisherman's Huts the girl was probably by a combination lot of alcohol and possibly (party) drugs became unwell. Then became unconscious, after that Joran, in panic, dumped her body at sea. As he said, he receive some help from a friend.

The program of De Vries with the images of the interogation will be broadcast Sunday evening by SBS 6.



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2010, 04:57:45 PM
For almost five years my quest has been to expose ANYBODY associated with the Natalee Holloway case who has established a relationship with those who are known to have an Aruban agenda.  I have never given ANYBODY a pass.

When Kyle Kingman, John Silvetti, Peter Devries, Tim Miller, Jossy Mansur as well as Dave and Robin Holloway collaborate in the name of justice for Natatee with those who have done their utmost to prevent justice from prevailing ... it does not make sense to me and ... I will question their motivations.

There are those who are willing to afford a pass for some who collaborate with the enemy for who they are but ... in the name of justice for Natalee Holloway ... I cannot.

Janet

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JULY, 2007 - FOLLOWING DAVE AND ROBIN'S DENOUNCMENT OF THE BOYCOTT

Tamikosmom
Lively Case Discussion #650 7/3 - 7/4/2007
« Reply #194 on: July 03, 2007, 07:57:23 PM »


Ms. Red ... I believe that logic dictates that that individual family members at some given time have to move on with life even if it means that justice is not forthcoming for Natalee.  However ... that does not explain the relationship Robin and Dave has established with the enemy.

Mark Purcell has submitted countless posts to internet forums upholding Julia Renfro.  Julia Renfro proclaims the innocence of Joran and  and ... she creates smokescreens discrediting both Natalee and Beth.

Ms. Red ... it is not rocket science ... something is not right in regards to this relationship.

My underlying reason for devoting the past two years to the Natalee Holloway case has been to uphold the family in their contention that a corrupt Aruban investigation was denying Natalee justice ... a corrupt Aruban investigation was distancing Paulus and Joran from implication.  I have never wavered from that support for one minute and ... now members of the the family are changing positions ...

I am so discouraged.

Janet


mrs. Red
Lively Case Discussion #650 7/3 - 7/4/2007
« Reply #197 on: July 03, 2007, 07:59:37 PM »


Janet, I do agree that yes, life does and should move on....

but why sleep with the enemy???

Notice no one says that Beth doesn't support a boycott....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1290.msg192071;topicseen#msg192071


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Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
« Reply #703 on: March 30, 2009, 06:27:39 PM »


My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth. I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.msg745322#msg745322


klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1/2007
« Reply #403 on: December 02, 2007, 11:17:37 PM »


We are not attacking the Holloways, we are QUESTIONING why on earth Robin and Dave believe that Julia Renfro and Mark Purcell are worthy of trust after how badly they have spoken about both Natalee and Beth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.400


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2010, 05:16:41 PM
http://www.almerevandaag.nl/nieuws/binnenland/article5637521.ece/Holloway-film-komt-naar-Nederland

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/NHMovieNetherlands.jpg)


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2010, 05:48:43 PM
private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group.

What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 01:57:00 PM
Seems Kalpoes are being called for deposition:

12/31/2009 Motion to Compel (PLTFS TO APPEAR FOR DEPOSITION IN CALIFORNIA SET: 1-29-10)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

12/09/2009 Objection Document (TO PLTF. SATISH KALPOE'S NOTICE OF RULING ON MOTIONS TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 02:59:10 PM
Although the Suriname administration has denied visas to the Kalpoe brothers ... my understand is that the US has not.

In other words ... there is nothing preventing the dispositions from taking place.

I hope that the editing of Dr. Phil's tape which was heard nationally is not deemed a manipulation when compared to Jamie Skeeters' hard drive original.

On the other hand ... when the following article is considered ... maybe a possible maniuplation of the Dr. Phil tape will be a non-issue.

Janet

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Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


LOS ANGELES - Two brothers who filed an $800 million defamation suit against Dr. Phil McGraw and CBS over a broadcast concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are already too tarnished to claim libel, according to attorneys for the defendants.

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was vacationing with friends on the Caribbean island resort of Aruba when the 18-year-old vanished the night of May 30, 2005. Her body was never found.

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

After the Kalpoes were arrested for the first time in June 2005, they were in custody for 25 days and became the subject of international media publicity, the defense court papers state.

Joran van der Sloot, who, like the Kalpoes, was arrested and later released, told police in June 2005 that "he thought (Deepak) had raped the girl and thereupon murdered her," the defense court papers state.

The Kalpoes also adversely affected their own reputations prior to the broadcast by falsely saying they last saw Holloway with two security guards, who were questioned and later released, defense attorneys say.

Deepak Kalpoe later confided to one of the guards that he had lied to the police and apologized for getting him and his fellow guard into "that mess," according to the defense's court papers.

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

The defense attorneys have a motion pending Aug. 5 to dismiss the case on grounds the plaintiffs' lawyers disobeyed court orders to turn over information.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 03:11:40 PM
A simple comparison of the Dr. Phil's edit tape and ... Jamie Skeeters' hard drive ... by experts in the field ... is where it is at.

1.  Did Deepak Kalpoe defame himself?
2.  Did Dr. Phil defame Deepak Kalpoe?

Case Closed!

Janet

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SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2010, 01:38:32 PM
Peter Devries is obviously not on the same page as Natalee Holloway's parents in regards to the involvement of Deepak and Satish in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning Natalee went missing and was never seen again.

Janet

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ACCORDING TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S PARENTS


This was one of my favorite documents, and since it's a quiet day, I thought I'd repost it   ::MonkeyCool::

Blessings to all who will not quit until Natalee and her family receive justice  ::MonkeyKiss::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.0

Aruba – Surely You Know?

 D. HOLLOWAY: They're the last -- those three boys were the last ones with Natalee. And they hold the answers.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/23/lkl.01.html


JUG TWITTY: I've already faced him face to face that night. I faced his father face to face. And you can look at somebody, Nancy, and tell if they are lying or not. And he's just -- it's pathetic.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/lkl.01.html


GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: From the beginning, Beth and I were there that very first night. And I still believe that, of course, Joran is involved, Deepak`s involved, and the father is involved.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/28/ng.01.html


BETH TWITTY: "we've known from day one that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this crime with Natalee

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/18/lkl.01.html

<snipped>

Natalee's Freebirds



ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES

Newsweek - February 8, 2008


Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008


GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got draffed into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES

THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent.  Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2010, 11:08:49 PM
Natalee Holloway’s mother and father appear to be on the same page in regards to their respective positions pertaining to the Aruban prosecutor … the Aruban prosecutor who participated in the happenings encompassing the November rearrests of Joran, Deepak and Satish … the Persistence endeavour and … the Range Rover Recordings.

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Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Karin Janssen was the original prosecutor and Hans Mos took over. When she left Aruba, did she call you and sort of tie up lose ends, or did she just sort of vanish from your radar screen?

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER : No, just absolutely vanished. I had no idea she was even leaving so quickly as she did. So you know, that's always been an issue, just no communication from the prosecuting attorney's office. And you know, it just leaves you wondering, you know, where are you? And you hear all this information coming them, saying that they're following up on every lead. Well, you know, that's just simply not true. They're not following up on any leads.

VAN SUSTEREN: Has there -- now, we said the two prosecutors. Have any of the police officers, anybody from Aruba at all contacted you and said we're doing anything on the case at all? Is there any reason for you to believe it's being investigated?

HOLLOWAY: No, absolutely none. No. Not at all. Not to any degree.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Natalee Holloway's Dad: Aruba Investigators Ignored Another Potential Witness
Thursday, November 20, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST:  … I don't know if you saw the show last night, Dave, but I'm very tough on Hans Mos because I offered to meet him halfway, even meet him on a weekend to show him what we have, which is a videotape and other things, and he simply had no interest.

HOLLOWAY: Well, he's -- as a public official, he's got a duty and an obligation to follow up on any and all leads, and he seems to be lacking in that department very severely.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,455069,00.html



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2010, 11:14:08 PM
(Continued)

However ... when it comes to attorneys ... why have Natalee Holloway's parents chosen different attorneys to represent their interests on the Island in regards to their missing daughter?

Janet

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VINDA DE SOUSA


I really wonder if Dave Holloway is aware that Julia Renfro is drinking buddies with his Aruban attorney (Vinda de Sousa)?  It's unfortunate that Natalee's family (specifically Dave & Robin) have continued to be deceived by these people.

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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 136:
  We're fortunate that one of the men from home here to help us is an attorney, so he personnally interviews several Aruban lawyers and decides Vinda de Sousa will be as good as any.  Her retainer is $5,000 up front.

Page 179:  During this time we add a new attorney, Helen Lejuez, who tells us she is confident that we can access official documents for us.  Her retainer is also $5,000 up front.  We give her copies of all the materials we've collected.  She gets started.  And Vinda, the first attorney, quits, refusing to work on a team with Helen.  Vinda sends another bill, for $15,000, but we are not able to obtain an itemized invoice for this.


Fox News - March 20, 2009

Dave Holloway did not immediately return a message seeking comment. His attorney, Vinda de Sousa, told The Associated Press he insisted on another search of the reservoir after a witness who identified it as a possible location passed a lie detector test in the U.S.

De Sousa said she does not know how long the dog and its handler will remain on the island, nor how much Holloway is paying for the search. She added that the search had been planned for some time.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509967,00.html
 


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2010, 11:40:31 PM
NANCY GRACE - January 24, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Oh, Nancy, I mean, what we want is, we want justice. And you know -- and we have to recognize the fact that, you know, this crime has been committed on the island of Aruba, and we know the perpetrators. We know it`s these suspects, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and Joran Van Der Sloot. And you know, we just have to, though, keep going, Nancy, because the only way we will get justice for Natalee is if we do keep going. I mean, if we give up, absolutely nothing will happen. Nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/24/ng.01.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2010, 07:47:16 PM
It appears that the archives dispute Joran van der Sloots words in the Range Rover confession regarding his father's role in the events that encompass the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++++++++
 

PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT
 
The Road Ranger Transcript:

 
PATRICK:  But what about your father? When you came home?  He noticed nothing different about you?
 
JORAN:  My father was asleep. It was 3:00 am or 4:00 am.
________
 
PATRICK:  Did you put her in the sea, alone?
 
JORAN: Yes.
 
PATRICK:  Nobody helped?
 
JORAN:  Somebody, who I trust, I am not giving his name, not my parents, somebody I trustl.  I know people who could help me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat.
 
PATRICK:  I know that friend is your father. I know it Joran.
 
JORAN:  No, no, no.
 
PATRICK:  Why not? Why would someone say when he picks you up ‘you  must go to school’?  When you told me that, I know.
 
JORAN:  No.
 
PATRICK:  Look Joran, I told you from the start, hey I talked to my girlfriend about it,  y’know.  In the first place, I said to my girlfriend that if someone had to call me like that, I’d also help him.
 
JORAN:  Me too, me too, me too! But I’m telling you, Patrick, my father wouldn’t do that, and it’s  not so.
________
 
JORAN:  I knew what had happened, but of course I cannot say anything about it.  I  can’t do that. You can’t put other people in danger, right.
 
PATRICK:  Which other people.  There is only one right?
 
JORAN:  Yeah.  Daury. I don’t want to get him into trouble.
 
PATRICK:  And your father also know, man.
 
JORAN:  My father, not at all. My father knows nothing about
those things.
 
 
The Archives:
 
Superior Court - January, 2007

 
The possible involvement of Paulus that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
 
 
Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - March 21, 2006
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... And, you know, what Jug and I had discussed last night was that, you know, we go back to the very beginning. And that‘s the reason why Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested in connection with Natalee‘s disappearance, because he had lied to the authorities by saying that he had changed his pickup time.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/
 
 
Nancy Grace - August 12, 2005
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: ... Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/12/ng.01.html
 
 
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - March 21, 2006
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... He had initially told the witnesses that he himself had picked up Joran Van Der Sloot at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the 30th. But he later changed it about three weeks into the investigation that he did not pick up Joran at 4:00 a.m. on the 30th.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/
 
 
Rita Cosby Live & Direct – March 21, 2006
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... And, you know, what Jug and I had discussed last night was that, you know, we go back to the very beginning. And that‘s the reason why Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested in connection with Natalee‘s disappearance, because he had lied to the authorities by saying that he had changed his pickup time.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/


Blonde
Re: CORRUPTION FACTS FOR MEDIA DISTRIBUTION
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 09:10:17 AM »


7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", beer", and "drugs". Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office. The sites are visited only briefly.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2620.0


Rammstein:  He only briefly looked at some sites, downloading a few pictures. Maybe he was just looking for pictures. That is what people do who go to Google images you know (at least that is what I do when looking for pictures ) because if PvdS had been looking for articles/information he would have used google.com proper and given a bit more specific search-queries IMHO like "alcohol XTC" "or "alcohol drugs" etc
.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4561.msg145333#msg145333

Rammstein:  This has nothing to do with believe but with the facts. Fact is that Paul barely had the pages open long enough to read them. And we don't even know what kind of law-firm he was looking at.
 
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4561.msg144988#msg144988



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2010, 03:05:05 PM

I really wonder if Dave Holloway is aware that Julia Renfro is drinking buddies with his Aruban attorney (Vinda de Sousa)?  It's unfortunate that Natalee's family (specifically Dave & Robin) have continued to be deceived by these people.

<snipped>


Could it be that it was Vinda de Sousa who convinced Dave Holloway to do a media interview  regarding his original objection to the boycott.

Sometime following this media release ... Dave Holloway did change his position regarding the voluntary boycott and joined forces with Jug and Beth until ... he reverted to his original his position.

Janet

++++++

VINDA DE SOUSA

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 156:
  In an effort to publicly express my oinion against a boycott, Vinda arranged for me to have an interview with the media.  I agreed to do it in the hopes that it would be a good way to show solidarity with the Aruban government.

Page 157:  On September 19, 2005, I met with Taylor Northrop.  The Aruban government hired him mainly for damage control.  He was working with the Strategic Communicatins Task Force which was comprised of approximately thirteen members of the community, including governement spokesperson Rueben Trappenburg, Rob Smith of the Aruba Hospitality & Surity Foundation, and other business and political leadrs.  Taylor thanked me for the press interview I had given denouncing the boycott and advised me that it made his job easier.  He said he was hoing that I would be working with everyone rather than promoting a boycott.  I gave him some to the information that I brout along with me, and he was nubed by it. It involved tips that I had received on my site.


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group.

What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2010, 03:54:58 PM
Beth Holloway had it figured out in July, 2005 ... months prior to the boycott ... that the those associated with AHATA and the ATA were not on the side of justice for Natalee.

In some areas ... the gulf between Dave and Beth's perception regarding who were the good guys and who were the bad guys is so wide.

In other areas ... when the words in their respective books are considered ... they both are on the same page in regards to the those within the corrupt Aruban investigation who were preventing justice from prevailing for their daughter.

Janet

+++++++


LOVING NATALEE - Beth Holloway

Page 157/158
... No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support.

Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2010, 06:56:01 PM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE KALPOES

Gerold Dompig claims in a video recorded by Jossy Mansur that Joran, Deepak and Satish all admitted to inappropriate sexual conduct with Natalee Holloway when she was unable to defend herself.

Peter Devries does not adhere to the Kalpoes' involvement.  He believes they are completely innocent based on Joran's words in the Range Rover "confession".

Janet

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Newsweek - February 8, 2008

Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

PETER DEVIRES:  No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Peter Devries:

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent.  Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


The Dana Pretzer Show - December 2nd, 2006

Jossy Mansur:

42:00 - I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape. Which would be 8 years imprisonment.  According to Gerold Dompig, the three boys admitted "that they did ‘have sex with’ this girl when she was going in and out of consciousness. This is a fact.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/02/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-1st-2006-jossy-mansur-jacques-mansur-and-micheal-winston/


The Lineup - FOX News - December 3, 2006

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, HOST:  OK and you claim to have a transcript in fact that links the boys to Natalee's disappearance. Do you have that for us that you can read a portion of that?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, DIARIO:: I can read a portion for you for example when I asked him about the case he said well you know we cannot go because we don't have a body but you have a model crime and on the basis of their own declarations, I'm quoting him at the bottom now and then he said look if it's not rape they fingered her, they did a lot of things to her according to their own declarations and he we have an article in our penal code that provides an eight year sentence for that. If you do that to a girl who is not conscious they themselves said that she passed out on (inaudible) phases in the car. That means if you do that to a person who cannot defend herself it's eight years. He told me this (inaudible) I'm quoting from the tape.


VIDEO - GEROLD DOMPIG

Lineup with Jossy Mansur and Kimberly Guilfoyle


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSWgZm6ivo


yw gn




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2010, 01:39:18 PM
Did we post this yet?

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2010/01/peter_r_de_vries_in_bfilm.html

Through translator:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/PeterdeVriesShow.jpg)


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2010, 01:45:24 PM
THE WINDFALL

What truths ... that encompassing the morning of May 30,2005 ... were revealed in the Range Rover recordings?  What truths were revealed that entitled Peter Devries to a $830,000 payout?

Think about it.  The archives dispute every word that spewed from Joran's lips EXCEPT the segment regarding the seizure suffered by Natalee Holloway.  The archives even question whether Natalee's demise took place prior to her being taken to the beach.

Janet

+++++++

Disposed - Patrick vander Eem

Chapter 23


The ironic thing of it all is that I roughly got my three hundred thousand Euros after all but in a way completely unexpected. When Peter R offered me half of the rights on foreign sold clips I was told not to expect much. Endemol had no experience selling these clips and even if they did the shelf life of the product is short, only a few days, and seldom sells for much. No one could have predicted that Peter Schouten would walk in and in a matter of days strike an exclusive deal with ABC for 830,000 dollars.  Endemol themselves managed to sell only a few thousand Euros worth in Europe.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13561414/Patrick-van-der-Eem-book


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2010, 02:43:38 PM
VINDA DE SOUSA


I really wonder if Dave Holloway is aware that Julia Renfro is drinking buddies with his Aruban attorney (Vinda de Sousa)?  It's unfortunate that Natalee's family (specifically Dave & Robin) have continued to be deceived by these people.

<snipped>



It appears that Vinda De Sousa and Beth Holloway are not on the same page in regards to the definition of "consensual".  However ... Dave Holloway's attorney and Joran van der Sloot's attorney concur.

Janet

+++++++


The Abrams Report - April 14, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, you know, Dan, I've always stuck with something and we know for a fact, we know that Deepak and Satish and Joran took Natalee, we know the sexual assaults they committed against her by both of the suspects' admissions by Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe, what we don't know is what they did with Natalee when they were finished with her. We don't know if they—we don't know that...

(CROSSTALK)

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: But he's ambiguous. I mean at the very least, I mean you regularly sort of say that as a matter of fact, that they have admitted to it, but there is some ambiguity at the very least about whether they admitted to that.

TWITTY: Well, in Joran's statement and also now Joran van der Sloot admitted this in person to at least eight witnesses on the very night we arrived on the island. So that is a fact from Joran van der Sloot.

ABRAMS: That what?

TWITTY: That he admitted the sexual assaults that he committed against Natalee while she is coming in and out of consciousness. Now that is something that he did by his own admission to eight witnesses the night we landed on the island.

<snipped>

DAN ABRAMS:  Let me bring in ... Aruban attorney who once represented Natalee's family in Aruba, Vinda de Sousa.  Vinda, let me ask you, do you know exactly upon exactly what Beth bases her statement that Joran admitted to sexual assaulting Natalee? 

VINDA DE SOUSA, ARUBAN ATTORNEY (via phone):  Well, I don't think that you could say that he admitted sexually assaulting Natalee.  He admitted to having—that it was consensual... 

ABRAMS:  She says he admitted...

DE SOUSA:  ... and you know...

ABRAMS:  She says he admitted repeatedly to sexually assaulting.

DE SOUSA:  That's not what I understand.

ABRAMS:  Yes.  And Rosemarie Arnold, I mean you represent Joran van der Sloot.  Is that...

ROSEMARIE ARNOLD, ATTORNEY FOR JORAN VAN DER SLOOT:  Dan Abrams, Joran never admitted sexually assaulting her.  He said he fooled around with her.  It was consensual and there was never, ever an admission.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2010, 04:01:04 PM
If Beth Holloway is not to be believed (see above) ... then maybe Vinda de Sousa (Dave's attorney) and Rosemarie Arnold (Joran's attorney) as well as Peter Devries should have a little meeting with the former lead detective in the Natalee Holloway investigation ... the former lead detective who possesses a foundation of insider knowledge.

Janet

+++++++

Newsweek - February 8, 2008

Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

PETER DEVIRES:  No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Peter Devries:

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent.  Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


The Dana Pretzer Show - December 2nd, 2006

Jossy Mansur:

42:00 - I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape. Which would be 8 years imprisonment.  According to Gerold Dompig, the three boys admitted "that they did ‘have sex with’ this girl when she was going in and out of consciousness. This is a fact.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/02/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-1st-2006-jossy-mansur-jacques-mansur-and-micheal-winston/


The Lineup - FOX News - December 3, 2006

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, HOST:  OK and you claim to have a transcript in fact that links the boys to Natalee's disappearance. Do you have that for us that you can read a portion of that?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, DIARIO:: I can read a portion for you for example when I asked him about the case he said well you know we cannot go because we don't have a body but you have a model crime and on the basis of their own declarations, I'm quoting him at the bottom now and then he said look if it's not rape they fingered her, they did a lot of things to her according to their own declarations and he we have an article in our penal code that provides an eight year sentence for that. If you do that to a girl who is not conscious they themselves said that she passed out on (inaudible) phases in the car. That means if you do that to a person who cannot defend herself it's eight years. He told me this (inaudible) I'm quoting from the tape.


VIDEO - GEROLD DOMPIG

Lineup with Jossy Mansur and Kimberly Guilfoyle


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSWgZm6ivo

+++++++




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2010, 05:13:27 PM
Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008

GRACE GRACE, HOST: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

PETER DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH BETH TWITTY
Thursday 31 January 2008


Peter R. DeVries: This is a full confession ....

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm

++++++++

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Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2010, 08:11:59 PM
Natalee Holloway - Lost in Paradise    TLC on January 17, 2010 at 10pm ET....check your local listings.   It will be repeated per the website tv listing.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293.0.0


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2010, 11:30:48 PM
The Search for Natalee Holloway
TLC – 2010-01-17

Beth Holloway:

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family.  So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t. 

I can’t get justice for Natalee"
.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 18, 2010, 12:53:50 AM
In the Range Rover recording ... one truth came out of Joran's lips that reflected the archives.  That truth was the segment regarding the seizures.

Towards the end of tonight's TLC special - THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY - Beth Holloway addressed the issue encompassing the seizures.

Janet

+++++++

THE SEIZURES

ACCORDING TO BETH HOLLOWAY
 
CNN Larry King Live - February 7, 2008

 
BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  When he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?
 
And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html


Dateline - February 23, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY:  The facts are within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance, a lead detective asked me if she had a history of epilepsy or seizures. Two and a half years later, the main suspect himself, admits that Natalee -- he felt as if she suffered an epilepsy or seizure. And he even indicates how she's shaking. So, if we look at just that one-- just that one piece, that's one thread out of a lot. Then, I have to say yes, there definitely was some collusion and corruption going on in the early days of Natalee's disappearance. Absolutely.
 
However, according to the prosecutor's office it's standard procedure to ask if a missing person might have a seizure disorder.

Police and prosecution officials declined on-camera interviews, but have consistently denied that there was any corruption, collusion or mishandling of the investigation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/6/


ACCORDING TO JUG TWITTY

NANCY GRACE - February 15, 2008


HOLLY HUGHES, GUEST HOST: Well, Jug, my heart goes out to you and your family. I`m so sorry for this tragedy. You mentioned a little earlier that you think this has been a cover-up and a conspiracy from the very beginning. Can you just let our viewers know a couple of examples that makes you feel that way?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER:  Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

And then, just like all the stuff like when all the people that were there, all the people that came with me to help, they never even questioned us for two weeks. If they wanted an answer, they could have got a lot of the answers about the deal about the 4:00 in the morning when he said he picked him up at McDonald`s. There were a lot of those answers there that they could have had if they wanted them. And just I think they got in it early to, you know, cover up, and they just had to cover their tracks all the way through.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


ACCORDING TO GEROLD DOMPIG
 
48 Hours Mystery - March 22, 2006


Wherever she was, police now think that while Natalee was with Joran, she died suddenly from an overdose of intoxicants.

"We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig.

The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page5.shtml



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 27, 2010, 05:55:18 PM
If Mickey John's official statement is revealed ... all H--- will break loose.

According to Deepak Kalpoe's own words to Mickey John while their detainment overlapped ... the Holiday Inn account was fabricated prior to Beth and Jug's arrival at the van der Sloots residence at 3:00 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005.  It appears that Deepak and Paulus were both participants in that fabrication at some period of time on Monday immediately following the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway..

Deepak holds all the Aces that are preventing the Aruban house of cards from collapsing.  He is in a position to implicate both Joran and Paulus van der Sloot.

Could it be that the brothers' silence ... the brothers' cooperation ... was assured when they were exonerated from implication in the events encompassing Natalee Holloway's demise and disappearance on the recorded words of Joran in the Range Rover recording..  In other words ... a mutually beneficial arrangement.

Peter Devries may be a believer in Joran van der Sloots own words in the Range Rover recording in regards to the non-involvement of the Kalpoes in the happenings encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway but ... negating the archives ... changing history ... is not where it is at for me.

Think about it.  There is the gardener's court statement ... there are Steve Cohen's media statements ... there are Dompig's statements in the talkshow circuit ... there are the suspicions by the prosecutors that warranted their arrests and rearrests ... there are the words of the Kalpoes' mother heard by America on the Dr. Phil Show ... there are Deepak Kalpoe's own words recorded in the Skeeters' interview ... 

Janet

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MICKEY JOHN

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
Wednesday, June 29, 2005


MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: ... He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him (Deepak).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html


PETER DEVRIES

Newsweek - February 8, 2008


Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

No, not at all. On the tapes Joran calls them stupid. I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 01, 2010, 10:42:35 AM
IF Deepak Kalpoe was in Miami to further his education ... the connection could be his friend John Charles Croes.

Reading the following suspect statements implies that Deepak admitted to Aruban authorities that he attempted to obstruct an investigation on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... an investigation that had yet to begin.

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THE MIAMI CONNECTION

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005


To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005


You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 01, 2010, 10:53:44 AM
In the past ... has Deepak Kalpoe entered the United States?

Janet

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1.  Did Deepak further his education in Miami or ... did he take online courses while in Aruba?


The pdf states on page 6 that Deepak failed to declare that he 'attended' the International Christian Academy in Miami, FL in 2004 ?????

Why would they care if he took the course online??

This is a Visa application discussion. Why would that even be discussed if he took the course online?

Just curious.



2.  Was Deepak in Miami when he created this Myspace page or ... did he fake the location he provided?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/DeepakMyspace022707copy.jpg)


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 01, 2010, 10:55:24 AM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/01/31/natalee-holloway-deepak-satish-kalpoe-mislead-the-court-continue-with-visa-excuses-to-dodge-depositions-in-la-county-ca-dr-phil-defamation-case/

Natalee Holloway: Deepak & Satish Kalpoe Mislead the Court & Continue with VISA Excuses to Dodge Depositions in LA County, CA Dr Phil Defamation Case



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 01, 2010, 10:57:30 AM
BOTTOM LINE - JOHN Q. KELLY  

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - April 11, 2006


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: ... And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.
 
You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

RITA COSBY, HOST: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 01, 2010, 11:02:25 AM
Was there ever an outcome in T.J. Ward's investigation in regards to why the Kalpoes left Surinam and ... took up residence in Aruba.

Janet

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Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 151:
  There is also a question lingering about the Kalpoe brothers' history in Surinam.  T.J. Ward, a private investigator, told MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, "We have gathered some information right now, and we are trying to verify it, that both of the Kalpoe brothers have been removed from their own country for similar transactions as to what's going on here ... they may have been taken out of their own country, or asked to leave, and that is why they are living ... in Aruba.  And we are trying to verify this information now and follow-up on it."


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 01, 2010, 11:09:27 AM
Considering that the Kalpoes embrace the Hindu faith ... why did Kalpoe choose a Christian academy to further his education?  Could accredidation have been the motivator?

Janet

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The pdf states on page 6 that Deepak failed to declare that he 'attended' the International Christian Academy in Miami, FL in 2004 ?????

Why would they care if he took the course online??

This is a Visa application discussion. Why would that even be discussed if he took the course online?

Just curious.



Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance
Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)


She (Nadira Ramirez ) described her family as a close and traditional Hindu group and said both sons are "good boys." Satish does not drink, she said, and while Deepak drinks occasionally, neither youth takes drugs.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html


CNN NEWSNIGHT AARON BROWN
Paul Van Der Sloot Arrested
Aired June 23, 2005 - 22:00   ET


The Kalpoe brother's mother visited Satish in prison for the first time Tuesday. And she says he admitted lying to her. She describes her sons as two, good Hindu boys. Who share a love of TV wrestling shows, Indian movies and the Internet. She said, Satish and Deepak prayed every morning with the rest of the family, in front of this Hindu shrine in a room at their home and rarely partied.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/23/asb.01.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 01, 2010, 11:13:00 AM
Could it be that the reason that a judge has not dismissed the case is that there are legalities which the Kalpoes' attorneys claim justify not conforming to McGraw's attorneys request for case documents?

1.  The Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case and/or ...
2.  The Natalee Holloway case is still an open investigation.


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Klaasen
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #856 on: January 06, 2009, 08:27:41 PM »


Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway ...

•    Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened ...


http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.840


Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 01, 2010, 11:15:29 AM
The way I comprehend ...

IF the Phil McGraw recording was not manipulated and ... that is proven when professionally compared with the Skeeters' hard drive ... why would any case documents be required?  Deepak defamed himself in the interview.  Case Closed?

However ... the request of case documents from Aruba does makes sense IF the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manipulated to imply that Deepak stated he had sex with Natalee.  McGraw's attorney would then have to prove that Deepak had not been defamed by the manipulation.


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 01, 2010, 11:25:46 AM
In the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes' attorneys ... I cannot comprehend why it needs to be such a drawn out procedure IF the McGraw recording reflects the Skeeter' harddrive.  IF the two recordings concur ... the implication is the Deepak Kalpoe defamed himself.

A comparison by professionals in the field should provide the answer to whether or not the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manipulated to imply Deepak admitted to having sex with Natalee Holloway?

Ockham's Razor
You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity
.


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SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf



Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 01, 2010, 01:34:00 PM
When the following comparisons are considered ... I cannot comprehend what was Deepak Kalpoe (Aruba) motivation in regards to this defamation lawsuit.  It is obvious that Deepak defamed himself in the Skeeters' interview.  The evidence speaks for itself.

Janet

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COMPARISONS

'The Abrams Report' - December 2, 2005

JAMIE SKEETERS’ HARD DRIVE


DAN ABRAMS, HOST: … I‘m going to play Jamie Skeeters‘ version—again, that‘s the actual one we got.  We went to Jamie Skeeters‘ office and recorded exactly what he had on his hard drive.

All right, so let‘s start with the—this is the Jamie Skeeters‘ version.  This is what actually came from the hard drive.  Here it is.
 
(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

SKEETERS:  Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED).  You know?  I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.
 
KALPOE:  Yes, she did.  You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)
 

DR. PHIL’S RECORDING

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: … Here again what was played on the “Dr. Phil” show.
 
(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

SKEETERS:  And the question I‘ll ask you is if you intentionally killed her?  If it was an accident I can help all of you.  And if you guys were partying --  even if somebody had given her a date drug—I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.
 
KALPOE:  She did.  You‘d be surprised how simple it was.


ARLENE SCHIPPER’S RECORDING

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Now, this is the version that we got from Arlene in Aruba and I have to tell you, it sounds different.
 
(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)
 
SKEETERS:  Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED).  You know?  I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.
 
KALPOE:  No, she didn‘t.  You would be surprised how simple it was that night.
 
(END AUDIOTAPE)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/


COMMON SENSE

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - December 1, 2005

RITA COSBY, HOST: Do you believe he‘s saying that they did have sex with her? Is that what you believe?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER:  Oh, yes. Absolutely. You can‘t have a negative and then turn around and then support it with a positive. I mean, they‘ve got to put the whole sentence together for it to make sense. If they said, No, we didn‘t, and then turn around and said, You wouldn‘t believe how simple it was, that just—that just doesn‘t make sense.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 01, 2010, 05:07:27 PM
I am encouraged when I read the above Abrams Report but ... then I read the following statement from the Superior Court of California.  Does this document which exonerates Jamie  Skeeters' of wrong doing imply that the words on Skeeter's hard drive may differ from the words of the disputed segment on the Phil McGraw recording?

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SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


pbbl


Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 03, 2010, 08:27:35 PM
When the differences encompasses the disputed segment of Deepak Kalpoes' interview with Jamie Skeeters are considered ... a professional analysis of the hard drive is where it is at.

Janet

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IN A NUTSHELL

THE SKEETERS HARD DRIVE - ACCORDING TO DAVE HOLLOWAY

Deepak:  No, we did.  You‘d be surprised how easy it was that night.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


THE DR. PHIL RECORDING - ACCORDING TO DAN ABRAMS

Deepak:  She did.  You‘d be surprised how simple it was.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/


THE ARUBAN COPY - ACCORDING TO ARLENE SCHIPPER

Deepak:  No, she didn‘t.  You would be surprised how simple it was that night.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/


THE SKEETERS' HARD DRIVE - ACCORDING TO DAN ABRAMS

Deepak:  Yes, she did.  You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/




Title: Re: THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING AND THE KALPOE VS PHIL MCGRAW CONNECTION
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 03, 2010, 08:29:11 PM
THE JAMIE SKEETERS' RECORDING - ACCORDING TO DAVE HOLLOWAY

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - December 1, 2005

RITA COSBY, HOST:  ... let‘s get reaction now from Natalee Holloway‘s father.  LIVE AND DIRECT tonight is Dave Holloway.  He‘s been listening to Jamie Skeeters‘s full and unedited interview with Deepak Kalpoe.  Dave, I know the whole conversation.  I understand it‘s a little over two hours.  How much of it have you heard?  Have you heard all of it?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER:  I listened to all of it this afternoon.

COSBY:  Was anything doctored, anything manipulate