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Title: Haleigh Cummings 5, Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1 2/10/09-2/20/09
Post by: ospainter on February 10, 2009, 12:44:18 PM
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php

Missing in Florida: Haleigh Cummings, Age 5
Posted at 10:13 AM Feb 10, 2009
 
Haleigh Cummings, age 4
Thousands are gathering in Orlando or watching TV this morning, remembering Caylee Anthony. In another part of Florida, another child has vanished, and this time there was no one-month delay in reporting the disappearance.

Haleigh Cummings, age 5, was last seen around 10 p.m. Monday night in Satsuma, Florida. Haleigh was staying with her father and his girlfriend. The little girl's father was at work when she vanished.

Putnam County officials said there was no sign of forced entry into the house, but they didn't know if all the doors and windows were locked when Haleigh disappeared.

Haleigh was wearing a pink shorts and a tan shirt. She is 3 feet tall, has blond hair, brown eyes and pierced ears.

There are few details available about this disappearance, but CBS47.com reports that "[police] believe Cummings may be endangered." Authorities are searching in and around the Hermit's Cove area in Satsuma [see map below -- also, the name of the community has been misreported as "Hermus." The Ocala paper linked in paragraph 2 above states that Haleigh was staying at a home in the Buffalo Bluff neighborhood].

If you have any information pertaining to the whereabouts of Haleigh Cummings, you can call the Putnam County Sheriff: (386) 329-0808 or 1-888-FL-MISSING. [MissingKids.com]

I will update and/or revise this post as needed.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 10, 2009, 12:49:15 PM
http://www.codeamber.org/cummingsfl/

(http://www.codeamber.org/images/cummingsfl.jpg)

CANS Alert Issued for 5 Year Old Florida Girl
Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:22 PM AT

Code Amber News Service (CANS) issued this Missing Endangered person Alert after the girl disappeared from her bedroom some time after 3 AM Tuesday morning in Satsuma. Satsuma is approximately 75 miles east of Gainsville.

Haleigh Cummings a white female, 3 feet tall, weighs 39 pounds and has blond hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a pink shirt and underwear.

There are no suspects in this case at this time. However, due to the circumstances of the child's disappearance an abduction is strongly suspected.

There is no suspect vehicle at this time.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Putnam County Sheriff's office at (386) 329-0808 or dial 911








Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 10, 2009, 01:46:03 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-missing-girl-021009,0,5657004.story

Five-year-old girl disappears from bedroom

Helen Eckinger | Sentinel Staff Writer
1:40 PM EST, February 10, 2009
 
Haleigh Cummings, 4, was last seen at 10 p.m. Monday in the bedroom of her Satsuma home. (MISSINGKIDS.COM / February 10, 2009)


An Amber Alert has been issued for a missing Putnam County girl.

Haleigh Cummings, 5, was last seen at 10 p.m. Monday in the bedroom of the Satsuma home where she lives with her father, Ronald Cummings and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin.

Ronald Cummings was working Monday night, and Croslin woke up and realized Haleigh was missing just before he returned home at about 3:30 a.m. this morning, according to Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. Croslin alerted authorities while Ronald Cumming searched for his daughter, Greenwood said.

Haleigh's mother lives in Georgia and was there when Haleigh went missing, Greenwood said.


Check out Orlando Sentinel blogs Greenwood said that deputies are searching the area near Haleigh's home and speaking with her family members. It's too soon to know whether she was abducted by a stranger, and there were no signs that her home had been broken into he said.

"At this point, all we know is that we have a missing little girl," he said.

Haleigh is three feet tall, weighs 39 pounds, and has blonde hair and brown eyes. At the time of her disappearance, she was wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Anyone with information on her whereabouts is asked to contact the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0808.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 10, 2009, 01:50:41 PM
2NJSons_Mom

Thank you

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 10, 2009, 01:59:28 PM
News agencies reporting missing Haleigh Cummings

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=100138&provider=top

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/021009_missing_child_alert_issued_putnam_co_girl

http://www.cbs47.com/news/local/story/Putnam-County-Amber-Alert/ImB0FElGT0WVtKs5TmAHvw.cspx


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 10, 2009, 02:59:32 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,490466,00.html

Authorities in northeast Florida are questioning the father of a missing 5-year-old girl who his girlfriend says wasn't in her bed when they checked on her Tuesday morning, police told FOXNews.com.

Putnam County Sheriff's Department Sgt. Jason Nettles said he didn't have information on whether or not Haleigh Cummings' father and girlfriend are suspects in her disappearance.

"I don't know that for sure," he told FOXNews.com.

But he said he believed they were being questioned by police. The child lived with the couple in Putnam County, Fla.

Investigators were also questioning others in the case, according to Nettles.

An Amber Alert was issued Tuesday for Haleigh, and authorities with dogs were hunting for signs of the girl, who apparently disappeared before dawn.

Haleigh was reported missing after her father's girlfriend told police she discovered the child wasn't in her bed about 3:30 a.m.

The woman said the door to the home was not locked at the time, Nettles said.

Several registered sex offenders reportedly live in the vicinity of the missing girl's home in Satsuma, Fla.

Nettles said he couldn't confirm whether authorities were worried a sex offender might have abducted Haleigh.

"I don't think they've ruled anything out," he said.

He declined to comment on one report that put the number of registered sex offenders nearby at 25 because he said he didn't know how wide an area was being considered.

Haleigh is 3 feet tall with blond hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a pink shirt.

Anyone with information about the girl is urged to contact the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at (386) 329-0800 or 911.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 10, 2009, 04:28:29 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=130972&catid=3

SATSUMA, FL -- A massive search is underway in Putnam County for a missing 5-year-old girl.

An Amber Alert has been issued for Haleigh Cummings of Satsuma.

She hasn't been seen since 10 p.m. Monday when she went to bed.

Haleigh lives in a mobile home community called River Villa. It's on Green Lane in the Hermits Cove area of Satsuma, just off Buffalo Bluff Road and U.S. 17.

The little girl was home with her father's girlfriend and a 2-year-old sibling. The Putnam County Sheriff's Office says the girl's father was at work in Palatka until about 3 a.m.

Haleigh's father told First Coast News he came home from work and discovered his daughter missing.

"She's afraid of the dark," said Ronald Cummings. "She didn't leave my house. Somebody came in my back door and stole my child while I was at work."

Mr. Cummings said when he came home he found signs of forced entry to his home, but investigators with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said they didn't find anything to suggest a break-in.

The sheriff's office said Haleigh's bedroom door was open when her father's girlfriend woke up to go check on her at about 3:45 a.m.

Investigators haven't said what stirred the father's girlfriend at that hour, but authorities say she called 911 when she discovered Haleigh missing from her room.

"It's unspeakable," said Marie Griffis, Haleigh's grandmother. "You see it on TV and then it happens to you."

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement says Haleigh had on a pink shirt and underwear.

She is three feet tall and weighs 39 pounds.

The girl's mother drove in from where she lives in Glen St Mary to Putnam County to talk with authorities.

Helicopters and boats from a number of agencies are looking for Haleigh. Authorities are searching cars leaving the neighborhood. The FBI is also assisting in the investigation.

If you have any information on where Cummings is, call 911 or Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS. You will remain anonymous and you could receive a cash reward of up to $1,000.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 10, 2009, 05:55:44 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18680086/detail.html

5-Year-Old Vanishes From Bedroom; Father Says She Was 'Stolen'

Detective: 'Whoever Has The Child Is Not Supposed To Have The Child'

POSTED: Tuesday, February 10, 2009
UPDATED: 5:05 pm EST February 10, 2009


Haleigh Cummings
 VIDEO:
100s Search For Missing Satsuma Girl
UNCUT: Father's Emotional Interview 
 
SATSUMA, Fla. -- More than 130 law enforcement personnel from several local and state agencies are searching for a 5-year-old girl who disappeared from her home in Satsuma before dawn Tuesday.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office said Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings was last seen at 10 p.m. Monday when her father's girlfriend put her to bed at their home on Green Lane, off Buffalo Bluff Road.

While deputies and state officers from at least five agencies searched the area and the nearby St. Johns River, Haleigh's grieving father told Channel 4 there is no doubt in his mind that she was abducted and he'll do anything to get her back.

Ronald Cummings said Haleigh is afraid of the dark and there's no way she would have gone out in the middle of the night by herself.

"I came home this morning to find that I didn't have a child," Cummings. "Somebody stole my child."

Putnam County deputies began a search of the area at 3:30 a.m. after the mother found the girl missing and Cummings came home from working a night shift and found back door of their mobile home open and called 911.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement issued an endangered/missing alert before 9 a.m. Less than two hours later, authorities upgraded it to an Amber Alert.

While Putnam County deputies said there was no sign of forced entry in the residence, they requested that the FDLE elevate the incident to an Amber Alert.

Putnam County deputies, with help from officer from neighboring counties and state agencies stopped and searched cars leaving the neighborhood where Haleigh disappeared.
 
"When you're dealing with a child of this young of an age along with the time frame that the child has been gone, that elevates it to a higher level and that causes us a little more of a concern for the welfare and safety of the child," Putnam County Sheriff's Office Capt. Steve Rose said.

Rose said that while they have no reason to suspect foul play, deputies went door to door and searched cars leaving the neighborhood and contacted known sex offenders in the area to establish their whereabouts. They also brought K-9 unit in to track any leads.

"Whoever has the child is not supposed to have the child at this point," Putnam County Detective John Murch said during an afternoon news conference.

St. Johns and Volusia counties sent resources to help and the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission has contributed two boats and a helicopter to the search. A Jacksonville Sheriff's Office search boat is also helping out.

Late afternoon, authorities announced that the FBI was sending a team to join the investigation.

Haleigh is described as having blond hair and brown eyes, is 3 feet tall and weighs 39 pounds. She was last seen in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma wearing a pink shirt and underwear.

Channel 4 learned that a 2-year-old and a 17-year-old cousin were sleeping in the same bedroom as Haleigh. They are both safe and detectives said the teenager had no information about what happened to Haleigh.

Haleigh's mother, who lives in south Georgia, went to Satsuma on Tuesday and was cooperating in the search.

Authorities ask anyone with any information to call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0800 or the FDLE's Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse at 888-FL-MISSING.

"Please call and give (information) to the police department," Cummings said. "J just want my child back."

Copyright 2009 by News4Jax.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 10, 2009, 06:01:25 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Video

Father pleading for Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2009, 06:50:44 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,490466,00.html

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/502824/0_61_021009_HaleighCummings.jpg)

Police Question Father of Missing Florida Girl, 5
Tuesday , February 10, 2009

Investigators in northeast Florida have questioned the father of a missing 5-year-old girl who his girlfriend says wasn't in her bed when they checked on her Tuesday morning, police told FOXNews.com.

Putnam County Sheriff's Department Sgt. Jason Nettles said he didn't have information on whether or not Haleigh Cummings' father and girlfriend are suspects in her disappearance.

"I don't know that for sure," he told FOXNews.com.

Both were questioned Tuesday by authorities. The child lived with the couple in Putnam County, Fla.

"The girlfriend and the father are cooperating with police," Special Agent Steve Donaway of the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement told an afternoon news conference.

Investigators also were interviewing others in the case, according to Nettles — including sex offenders in the area.

An Amber Alert was issued Tuesday for Haleigh, and authorities with dogs and ground search crews were hunting in the nearby river and woods for signs of the girl, who apparently disappeared before dawn.

"It could be an abduction. We're looking at it from all angles," Donaway said. Leads have been minimal, he said, and investigators are asking for the public's help.

Haleigh was reported missing after her father's girlfriend told police she discovered the child wasn't in her bed about 3 a.m.

The woman said the back door to the home was not locked at the time. Police found the door to the residence unlocked when they arrived at the house, according to Donaway.

Several registered sex offenders reportedly live in the vicinity of the missing girl's home in Satsuma, Fla. Donaway said they've all been identified, and either have been or will be interviewed by police.

Nettles said he couldn't confirm whether authorities were worried a sex offender might have abducted Haleigh.

"I don't think they've ruled anything out," he told FOXNews.com.

He declined to comment on one report that put the number of registered sex offenders nearby at 25 because he said he didn't know how wide an area was being considered.

Haleigh is 3 feet tall with blond hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a pink shirt.

Donaway said search teams would continue to look for the child through the night.

Anyone with information about the girl is urged to contact the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at (386) 329-0800 or 911.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Video

Father pleading for Haleigh.

I get the same reaction watching him I had watching Susan Smith.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 10, 2009, 08:14:36 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131034&catid=3

Night Search Underway for Missing Girl


SATSUMA, FL -- The search for missing Haleigh Cummings will continue under the cover of darkness in the neighborhood where she disappeared early Tuesday morning.

Cummings was reported missing by her father when he returned home from work in Palatka after 3 a.m.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office says a rear door to the trailer was found open. The girl's father, Ronald Cummings, told First Coast News the door was forced open.

Law enforcement from neighboring counties and the FBI assisted in the search with helicopters and boats. Search teams combed the woods and divers worked the waters of the nearby St. Johns River.

Nancy Bump lives on the neighborhood and knew something had happened when she heard a helicopter circling overhead before sunrise.

Bump says search dogs led investigators to the river near her home.

"They walked right down to the end of the dock and ever since then they have been looking in the water," said Bump.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement first issued a Missing Child Alert before upgrading it to an Amber Alert for the missing girl. Haleigh was last seen wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Call 911 or Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS. You'll remain anonymous and could receive a cash reward of up to $1,000 if your information leads to an arrest.


©2009 First Coast News. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, rewritten, or redistributed.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 10, 2009, 10:11:39 PM
Greta will be talking about this case tonight.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 12:17:43 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18686639/detail.html

Family, Friends Pray As Search For Missing 5-Year-Old Continues

POSTED: Tuesday, February 10, 2009
UPDATED: 11:58 pm EST February 10, 2009


Haleigh Cummings
 VIDEO:
100s Search For Missing Satsuma Girl
UNCUT: Father's Emotional Interview
UNCUT: Family Calls 911, Reports 5-Year-Old Missing 
 
SATSUMA, Fla. -- After the sun set on Tuesday, the bright lights came on at the Putnam County Command Center near the home where 5-year-old Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings was last seen.

Local detectives and even investigators with the FBI remained at the scene and said they would continue to feverishly work the case throughout the night.

According to detectives, when dealing with missing children, the first 24 hours are crucial. At 10 p.m. on Tuesday, investigators said they were very aware that it had been a full day since Haleigh was last seen and they were working hard to make every minute count toward finding the missing girl.

"We feel good about what we're doing, but we feel really desperate that 24 hours have passed now and we don’t have a clue where this child is," said PCSO Major Gary Bowling.

Haleigh was last seen in her Satsuma home on Green Lane with her 2-year-old brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend. The girlfriend told police she put the children to bed at 10 p.m. Monday but when she awoke at 3 a.m. to use the bathroom Haleigh was missing and the back door of the home was open.

The 17-year-old called 911 for help as Haleigh's father returned home from an overnight shift at work:

CALLER: I just woke up and my back door was all open and I can't find my daughter.

DISPATCH: Can't find what?

CALLER: My daughter.

DISPATCH:Ok. When did you last see her?

CALLER: Um, we just like, you know, it was about 10 o'clock. She was sleeping (inaudible).

DISPATCH: Ok. How old is your daughter?

CALLER: She's 5.

DISPATCH: OK. What was she last seen wearing, Ma'am?

CALLER: She was in her pajamas. We were sleeping.

DISPATCH: OK. Alright, you said your back door was wide open?

CALLER: Yes, with a brick. Like, there was a brick on the floor. Like, when I went to sleep the door was not like that.

DISPATCH: Was your back door locked do you know?

CALLER: Yes. The back door always stays locked.

FATHER: I just got home from work, my 5-year-old daughter is gone. I need someone to be here now. I'm telling you. If I find whoever has my daughter before you all do, I'm killing him. I don't care. I'll spend the rest of my life in prison.

DISPATCH: It's OK sir, we got them on the way. Can you give me a description of the pajamas she was wearing?

FATHER: I don't (expletive) know I was at work.

"We have no suspect information. We're not focusing on any person as a person of interest right now. It is truly still a 'who done it,' meaning whether it's an abduction or a homicide or if she just wandered out," said Bowling.

Since the search for Haleigh began, there have been boats out on the nearby St. Johns River, a helicopter in the sky and search dogs on the ground all in hopes of finding a clue to the girl's whereabouts.

Still there has been no sign of the missing child.

Community Gathers, Prays For Missing Girl

As the search for Haleigh continued to get more desperate with each passing hour, friends and neighbors in the area came together for support. Twenty-four hours after Haleigh's was last seen, friends and neighbors gathered and prayed for the child's safe return.
 

Twenty-four hours after the girl was last seen, her family members, friends and neighbors gathered to hold a candlelight vigil to pray Haleigh's safe return.

"Father, we're asking that she's going to be released tonight, so we can go home and celebrate your goodness and bring her back," said one neighbor as he led the group in prayer.

"She's the most precious thing in our life. We want her to come home," said Haleigh's grandmother, Teresa Neves. "Please bring my baby home. She's an angel, she's never done anything bad. She is such a good girl and she does not deserve this. I know she has to be scared to death without her daddy … let her go. Bring her home."

"Please call and giver her to the police department so I can get my daughter back, please. All we want is my child, that's it. I just want my daughter back," said the child's father, Ronald Cummings. "Somebody has her. They have her hidden. I just want my daughter back, that's it. That's all I want."

Friends and neighbors have been offering their support, but all the family really wants is answered prayers.

Authorities ask anyone with any information to call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0800 or the FDLE's Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse at 888-FL-MISSING.

Copyright 2009 by News4Jax.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 12:56:13 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131043&catid=3

Search Suspended Until Morning For Missing Girl


SATSUMA, FL -- As the last few hours of searching wind down, a helicopter equipped with infrared does its last few sweeps looking for any signs of Haleigh Cummings

"This is my heart and somebody stole my heart from me," says Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings.

Detectives say they are covering all bases, from interviewing sex offenders and predators, to searching with blood hounds. Still, no leads have surfaced as to what actually happened with Haleigh.

"We don't where Haleigh's at. We have no suspect, information, we're not focusing on any person of interest now. It is truly a who-done-it. That means whether it's an abduction, or homicide, or if she wandered off ," says Major Gary Bowling with the Putnam Co. Sheriff's Office.

Investigators say the best thing on their side was time. Getting an early start allowed law enforcement to cover lots of ground with several resources, but as the hours pass, time is no longer a friend.

"We know that the first 24 hours are a critical time. We haven't lost any ground, but we haven't gained any ground either," says Major Bowling.

"Somebody came in the back door, broke in the back door and stole my child while I was at work," says Cummings.

The National Child Abduction Response Team has been activated to help with the investigation.

Volusia, St. Johns, Duval, and Flagler County are all assisting Putnam County in the investigation.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and the FBI are also helping. Putnam detectives say the FBI will help with questioning sex predators and offenders in the area.

Investigators say there are 44 sexual offenders that live within the five square mile search area.


©2009 First Coast News. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, rewritten, or redistributed.


Title: Abducted!!
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 11, 2009, 11:18:39 AM
Police: missing girl
abducted
Last Edited: Wednesday, 11 Feb 2009, 11:10 AM EST
SATSUMA, Fla. - Putnam County Sheriff's deputies are now calling the case of a missing 5-year-old girl an abduction.

Click here for a LIVE News Crew Web cam in Satsuma.
 

On Wednesday, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the FBI and the Putnam County Sheriff's Office resumed the search for Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings. Deputies say Haleigh was last seen Monday night at 10 p.m. in her mobile home on Green Lane.

According to investigators, Haleigh, her 2-year-old brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, went to bed in the same room. Deputies say Croslin told them that the little girl got up to go to the bathroom around 3:30 a.m.

It was around the same time Haleigh's father, Ronald, got home from work. When they went back into the bedroom they discovered Haleigh was gone. Investigators say the back door was wide open, but won't say if there was any forced entry.

Last night Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield cried in front of the news cameras. "I just want to say bring her back home. Please," she said.

Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings says his daughter was afraid of the dark and wouldn't wander off by herself. "Somebody stole my child, trust me when I tell you that I know my child," he said.

Family members spent the night at a candlelight vigil. They say they will continue the vigil until Haleigh returns home.

Today, Haleigh's grandfather Johnny Sheffield told FOX 35 that he was distraught over the disappearance of his granddaughter. He says he does not know much about Ronald's girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, but thinks she is suspicious.

Investigators say Croslin is now with her family. They are not calling her a suspect at this time. Haleigh's grandmother Marie Griffis is also pleading to the public for help. She told FOX 35 that Trenton Duckett's father is assisting in the search, as well as other search teams.

However, Gary Bowling, a spokesperson for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, says right now, they are not asking for volunteers to help. Twenty five law enforcement agencies have assisted so far, including crews from Marion, Flagler and Volusia counties. Deputies say they have questioned 44 sex offenders who live within five miles of Haleigh's home. "This child didn't voluntarily walk out of her home. If she did someone took her," Bowling said.

Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings is 5-years-old. She is 3 feet tall, weighs 39 lbs, has blonde hair and brown eyes. She was last seen on Green Lane in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma. She was wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Anyone with information should call the Putnam County Sheriffs Office at 386-329-0808.
http://www2.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 11, 2009, 11:38:40 AM
Police: Missing girl was
abducted

 (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted)
Last Edited: Wednesday, 11 Feb 2009, 11:15 AM EST
Created On: Wednesday, 11 Feb 2009, 10:39 AM EST

Valerie Boey | FOX 35 News
SATSUMA, Fla. - Putnam County Sheriff's deputies are now calling the case of a missing 5-year-old girl an abduction.

Click here for a LIVE News Crew Web cam in Satsuma.  (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1)
 
On Wednesday, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the FBI and the Putnam County Sheriff's Office resumed the search for Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings. Deputies say Haleigh was last seen Monday night at 10 p.m. in her mobile home on Green Lane.

According to investigators, Haleigh, her 2-year-old brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, went to bed in the same room. Deputies say Croslin told them that the little girl got up to go to the bathroom around 3:30 a.m.

It was around the same time Haleigh's father, Ronald, got home from work. When they went back into the bedroom they discovered Haleigh was gone. Investigators say the back door was wide open, but won't say if there was any forced entry.

Last night Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield cried in front of the news cameras. "I just want to say bring her back home. Please," she said.

Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings says his daughter was afraid of the dark and wouldn't wander off by herself. "Somebody stole my child, trust me when I tell you that I know my child," he said.

Family members spent the night at a candlelight vigil. They say they will continue the vigil until Haleigh returns home.

Today, Haleigh's grandfather Johnny Sheffield told FOX 35 that he was distraught over the disappearance of his granddaughter. He says he does not know much about Ronald's girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, but thinks she is suspicious.

Investigators say Croslin is now with her family. They are not calling her a suspect at this time. Haleigh's grandmother Marie Griffis is also pleading to the public for help. She told FOX 35 that Trenton Duckett's father is assisting in the search, as well as other search teams.

However, Gary Bowling, a spokesperson for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, says right now, they are not asking for volunteers to help. Twenty five law enforcement agencies have assisted so far, including crews from Marion, Flagler and Volusia counties. Deputies say they have questioned 44 sex offenders who live within five miles of Haleigh's home. "This child didn't voluntarily walk out of her home. If she did someone took her," Bowling said.

Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings is 5-years-old. She is 3 feet tall, weighs 39 lbs, has blonde hair and brown eyes. She was last seen on Green Lane in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma. She was wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Anyone with information should call the Putnam County Sheriffs Office at 386-329-0808.

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: darla on February 11, 2009, 12:06:41 PM
Oh my goodness. another beautiful child gone...I just watched the video of her Dad and he is lying through his teeth. He made one comment that told it all..." I would give my life to have my child's life back". He had no tears, just the sobbing effect...then started talking normal.Poor sweet babies....I wish I could take all the unwanted babies and keep them safe. I just hope they find her little body soon. God have Mercy on these sweet little ones. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bleachedblack on February 11, 2009, 01:41:22 PM
Amber Alert -- Texas EquuSearch Joins Search For Haleigh

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:33:25 PM
SATSUMA, Fla. --  Texas EquuSearch director Tim Miller said his group will join in the search for Haleigh Cummings.  Josh Duckett and the Kid Finders Network are also searching for the 5-year-old Putnam County girl who vanished from her home Tuesday morning.

Texas EquuSearch opened an Orlando branch during the search for Caylee Anthony.

Twenty-four hours after Haleigh was last seen, family and friends gathered for a candlelight vigil hoping for her safe return.
     
The Amber Alert for Haleigh Cummings was issued Tuesday. The Satsuma girl was last seen Monday when she went to bed around 10 p.m.
   
Haleigh's father said the child was missing when he returned home from work around 3 a.m. Tuesday. Ronald Cummings said his girlfriend was awake and frantic that Haleigh was missing from her bed.

 “Please bring my baby home. She's an angel.  She's never done anything bad. She is such a good girl and she does not deserve this. I know she has to be scared to death without her daddy.  Let her go. Bring her home," said Haleigh's grandmother, Teresa Neves.

Investigators with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said it's not clear if Haleigh was abducted. The trailer where she lives had no signs of forced entry, but a back door was ajar.

Haleigh is around 3 feet tall, has blond hair, brown eyes, and weighs about 39 lbs. She was wearing a pink shirt and her underwear when she was last seen.

Local and state authorities and the FBI searched Tuesday for Haleigh in neighbors' homes and vehicles leaving her neighborhood on the St. Johns River.

If you have seen Haleigh Cummings, call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at (386) 329-0808.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/10/missing_child_alert_girl_4_from_putnam_co.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bleachedblack on February 11, 2009, 01:47:58 PM
Police, divers search neighborhood for Fla. girl

Wednesday February 11, 2009
SATSUMA, Fla. (AP) — Sheriff's deputies searched house-to-house Wednesday and dive teams probed the St. Johns River for a 5-year-old north Florida girl who went missing from her bed.

A Florida Amber Alert was issued for Haleigh Cummings of Satsuma, about 70 miles north of Orlando. The girl was last seen Monday night when she went to bed.

Investigators with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said it was not clear if Haleigh was abducted or wandered out into the rural neighborhood that borders the river. They said the mobile home where she lives had no signs of forced entry, but a back door was open.

Haleigh's father told investigators the blonde girl was missing when he returned home from work around 3 a.m. Tuesday. Ronald Cummings said his girlfriend was awake and frantic that Haleigh was missing from her bed.

Officers from local, state and federal agencies and K-9 teams scoured the neighborhood around the doublewide mobile home where the child disappeared from a bedroom she shared with her 4-year-old brother and her father's girlfriend.

"We go door to door. We meet with the homeowners and ask if they mind if we go look around," said Lt. Johnny Greenwood, a spokesman for the sheriff's office. "You ask if you can look in the back of the house, at the sheds and anything that's around there."

Several hundred homes were expected to be surveyed. Check points were set up at the entrance to the neighborhood to search departing vehicles. Two dive teams explored the St. Johns River. Neighbors and family members also were being interviewed by detectives.

The girl's disappearance has not been classified as an abduction.

"We're currently working both angles — did she wander off, we're working it that way with the searches," Greenwood said. "And investigators are doing interviews in case it is an abduction."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h1Nac1XKmGDPZKMEdJOz4f2oHBzgD969GOJ81


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 02:15:24 PM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live_special

Live presser



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JOLfan on February 11, 2009, 02:20:43 PM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live_special

Live presser



Darn it...I couldn't get it to play.  Can you summarize when its done?  TIA.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2009, 02:36:07 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-missing-florida-girl-021109,0,947501.story

(http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2009-02/44982776.jpg)

Grandmother of missing girl: 'Just bring her back'
Helen Eckinger and Gary Taylor

Sentinel Staff Writer

2:09 PM EST, February 11, 2009

SATSUMA -- Five-year-old Haleigh Cummings is afraid of the dark and would not have wandered off into the night, her family told the Orlando Sentinel today as investigators stepped up a massive search for the Putnam County girl.

Haleigh, who is nicknamed Doodlebug, lives with her father and his girlfriend in this rural county about 80 miles north of Orlando. Her father, Ronald Cummings, 25, put Haleigh to bed about 10 p.m. Monday before he left for work. His 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, found Haleigh missing about 3:30 a.m. Tuesday.

"Haleigh is a very indoor-type child," Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, said today. "If she goes outside, she wants you to be with her -- she would never go outside by herself in the dark."

Griffis said that Haleigh is bright, and loves drawing, makeup, and playing with gadgets. She said that if someone has abducted Haleigh, she hopes the person will release the girl.

"Just bring her back," Griffis said. "There are plenty of places you can drop off a kid, no questions asked."

The girl's disappearance has not been classified as an abduction.

Det. John Merchant of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said that a screen door on the side of the couple's Satsuma home had been propped open with a block, but they found no obvious signs of forced entry.

"I just woke up and my back door is open and I can't find my daughter," Croslin told a 911 dispatcher. She told the dispatcher she had been sleeping and the door was not open when she went to sleep.

Merchant said that 44 sex offenders live in a 5-mile radius of Cummings' home, but that all have been contacted by law enforcement since Haleigh went missing.

"Right now, we don't have a lot of clues indicating where she's at," Merchant said. "I'm always positive, though – we want to find her alive."

In addition to Putnam County deputies, officers from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Volusia, Marion, and Flagler Sheriff's Offices are searching for Haleigh.

Search dogs are combing through woods in the area, and divers are searching the nearby St. Johns River. In the 911 call originally placed by Croslin, Haleigh's father told officials he needed their help immediately.

"I just got home from work and my 5-year-old daughter is gone," he said, seeming to become more agitated as the call progressed. "I need somebody to be here now, I'm telling you.

"If I find whoever has my daughter before you do, I'm killing them," he said. "I don't care if I have to spend the rest of my life in prison."

He apparently hung up on the dispatcher, who when placed a call back to the residence, trying to get additional information from Croslin, while constantly assuring her that deputies were on the way.

Joshua Duckett, father of missing Lake County toddler Trenton Duckett, said he was acting as a family spokesman and would try to find additional photos of Haleigh to help with the search.

Meanwhile, a volunteer group out of Houston that helped look for Caylee Marie Anthony in Orlando last year said it is gearing up to help in the search for Haleigh. Caylee's remains were found in December and her public memorial was Tuesday.

Tim Miller, the founder of Texas EquuSearch, said his organization has been in contact with Putnam County officials. Some volunteers may drive and others may fly to Florida today or tomorrow, he said.

"It's pretty ironic. We have another child disappear seven hours before Caylee's memorial," he said.

Bounty hunter Leonard Padilla is joining the ranks headed for Putnam County. He and his crew - including bounty hunter Rob Dick - plan to drive 80 miles north where the command center has been set up to search for the missing girl.

Padilla said he's going to see what's happening up there and will help out if needed.

Anyone with information about Haleigh's whereabouts is asked to contact the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0808.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 02:37:48 PM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live_special

Live presser



Darn it...I couldn't get it to play.  Can you summarize when its done?  TIA.

I missed some of it, 

Sheriff said family is cooperating.

They are getting leads.

Bedding has been removed from home.

Water searches being conducted.

There will be another presser around 7 pm.









Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2009, 02:39:01 PM
911 call

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-911-call-haleigh-cummings-mp3,0,6010039.mp3file

Father and Grandmother

(http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2009-02/45007510.jpg)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 03:00:43 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131087&catid=3

Family Releases New Pictures of Haleigh Cummings


SATSUMA, FL -- The family of Haleigh Cummings has put out new images of the little girl, hoping someone sees her and brings her home safely.

The-five-year old girl has been missing since early Tuesday.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office says everyone is being treated as a suspect, including Haleigh's family. The family is cooperating with investigators.

The 17-year-old girl in the home at the time of Hayleigh's disappearance has been questioned by investigators and is with her family. The teen is the girlfriend of Haylee's father.

Call 911 if you know where Hayleigh Cummings is.


©2009 First Coast News. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, rewritten, or redistributed.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JOLfan on February 11, 2009, 03:01:09 PM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live_special

Live presser



Darn it...I couldn't get it to play.  Can you summarize when its done?  TIA.

I missed some of it, 

Sheriff said family is cooperating.

They are getting leads.

Bedding has been removed from home.

Water searches being conducted.

There will be another presser around 7 pm.



Thank you.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 03:07:27 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131065&catid=3

Search for Haleigh: Case Treated as an Abduction
Posted By: Gary Detman     Created: 2/11/2009 8:40:41 AM    Updated: 2/11/2009 2:35:49 PM


SATSUMA, FL -- The disappearance of a 5-year-old girl is now being treated as an abduction, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said in a news conference Wednesday afternoon.

Spokesman Major Gary Bowling says detectives are putting together a "dense timeline" to get a picture of where Haleigh Cummings was in the thirty hours prior to her disappearance, and stretching the timeline through the last thirty days.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office says everyone is being looked at as a suspect. "We have not excluded the world," said Bowling. "The family is very much working with us," he added.

Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her father's home in Satsuma sometime between Monday night and early Tuesday morning, wearing only a pink shirt and underwear.

Her father, Ronald Cummings, came home from work and discovered her missing. Haleigh had been sleeping with her father's girlfriend and her younger brother when she disappeared.

SEARCH FOR HALEIGH: THE 911 CALL

Mr. Cummings told First Coast News he found signs of forced entry. Haleigh's grandmother, Marie Griffis, said the door had been propped open by a brick, which authorities later identified as a cinder block.

There are more than 25 different law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, assisting with the search which is now in its second full day.

SEARCH FOR HALEIGH: INVESTIGATORS OUT AT NIGHT

Authorities are using boats to comb the St. Johns River and all the waterways connected to it. Bloodhounds are being walked through the woods and fields around Haleigh's home.

Investigators say every square inch has been searched, and will be searched again.

Investigators are also talking with Haleigh's neighbors and her family again to see if they saw or heard anything.

The 44 sexual offenders and predators who live within five miles of the little girl's home are also being questioned.

SEARCH THE FDLE SEX OFFENDER DATABASE

Investigators on Wednesday said they're retracing their steps, and going back over evidence and making more phone calls.

Right now, authorities say they do not need any volunteers.

Investigators have also asked the family of Haleigh Cummings not to help with the search in an effort to preserve any potential evidence.

Call 911 if you know where Haleigh is or call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS. You'll remain anonymous and could receive a cash reward of up to $1,000 if your information leads to an arrest.


©2009 First Coast News. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, rewritten, or redistributed.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 03:08:22 PM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live_special

Live presser



Darn it...I couldn't get it to play.  Can you summarize when its done?  TIA.

I missed some of it, 

Sheriff said family is cooperating.

They are getting leads.

Bedding has been removed from home.

Water searches being conducted.

There will be another presser around 7 pm.



Thank you.

Your welcome


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 03:51:45 PM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

Padilla offers reward
for abducted girl
Last Edited: Wednesday, 11 Feb 2009, 3:30 PM EST
Created On: Wednesday, 11 Feb 2009, 10:39 AM EST

SATSUMA, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) - Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter who for several months in 2008 had been engaged in the search for Orlando toddler Caylee Marie Anthony, is now offering a $25,000 reward for the safe return of another missing girl.

A Florida Amber Alert has been issued for five year old Haleigh Cummings, of Satsuma, believed to have been abducted in the early morning hours of Tuesday.

On Wednesday, agents from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Putnam County Sheriff's Office resumed their search for the missing girl in an area about 70 miles north of Orlando. Investigators searched house-to-house and dive teams probed the St. Johns River.

According to investigators, Haleigh was last seen on Monday night around 10 p.m. in her mobile home on Green Lane. Haleigh, her younger brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, went to bed in the same room. Deputies say Croslin told them that the little girl got up to go to the bathroom around 3:30 a.m., about the same time Haleigh's father, Ronald, got home from work. When they went back into the bedroom they discovered Haleigh was gone.

Last night Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, cried in front of the news cameras. "I just want to say, bring her back home. Please!" Haleigh's father says his daughter was afraid of the dark and wouldn't wander off by herself. "Somebody stole my child, trust me when I tell you that I know my child," he said.

Family members spent the night at a candlelight vigil. They say they will continue the vigil until Haleigh returns home.

Initially, investigators with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said it was not clear if Haleigh was abducted or wandered out into the rural neighborhood that borders the St. Johns River. They said the mobile home where she lives had no signs of forced entry, but a back door was open.

"We go door to door. We meet with the homeowners and ask if they mind if we go look around," said Lt. Johnny Greenwood, a spokesman for the sheriff's office. "You ask if you can look in the back of the house, at the sheds and anything that's around there."

Investigators say Croslin is now with her family. They are not calling her a suspect at this time.

Haleigh's grandfather, Johnny Sheffield, told FOX 35 on Wednesday that he was distraught over the disappearance of his granddaughter. He questioned Croslin's involvement in his granddaughter's disappearance.

Haleigh's grandmother, Marie Griffis, was also pleading to the public for help. Griffis told FOX 35 that the father of Trenton Ducket, the missing Lake County toddler who disappeared in 2006, was also assisting in the search. Indeed, Josh Ducket arrived on Wednesday to volunteer in the search efforts. Also present was Leonard Padilla. Padilla said the $25,000 reward would be honored if the girl is recoverd safely within 72 hours of her disappearance. Though both Ducket and Padilla have offered their assistance, Gary Bowling, a spokesperson for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said officials are not actively seeking help from volunteers at present time.

Twenty five law enforcement agencies have assisted so far, including crews from Marion, Flagler and Volusia counties. Deputies say they have questioned 44 sex offenders who live within five miles of Haleigh's home. "This child didn't voluntarily walk out of her home. If she did someone took her," Bowling said.

Several hundred homes were expected to be surveyed on Wednedsay. Check points were set up at the entrance to the neighborhood to search departing vehicles and two dive teams explored the St. Johns River. Neighbors and family members also were being interviewed by detectives.

"We're currently working both angles _ did she wander off, we're working it that way with the searches," Greenwood said. "And investigators are doing interviews in case it is an abduction."

Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings is 5-years-old. She is 3 feet tall, weighs 39 lbs, has blonde hair and brown eyes. She was last seen on Green Lane in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma. She was wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Anyone with information should call the Putnam County Sheriffs Office at 386-329-0808.

Copyright AP Modified, Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 

 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 04:33:05 PM
Video of the presser today.


http://www.wesh.com/video/18692416/index.html




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 04:41:55 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131094&catid=3

Caylee Search Team from Texas Heading to Putnam County

Posted By: Erich Spivey     Created: 2/11/2009 3:09:06 PM    Updated: 2/11/2009 4:03:37 PM


JACKSONVILLE, FL -- Texas EquuSearch will be helping investigators look for missing Putnam County girl Haleigh Cummings.

The group also helped search for missing Orlando girl Caylee Anthony last year.

Barbie Tarr, a spokesperson for the group, says Texas EquuSearch founder Tim Miller is flying from Texas to Florida today and should arrive tonight in Putnam County.
The group's mobile command center is driving to Florida tonight and should be available tomorrow. The group is bringing ATVs, sonar equipment and other technology to help search.

Tarr says they have 100 volunteers on standby in Florida. She says Putnam County reached out to Miller to help expand their search.


©2009 First Coast News. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, rewritten, or redistributed.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 04:44:25 PM
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110939/-1/NEWS05?Title=Haleigh_s_mom___It_s_tearing_me_apart_

Haleigh's mom: 'It's tearing me apart'

By Christopher Curry
Staff Writer

Published: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 at 1:46 p.m.
Last Modified: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 at 1:46 p.m.

Haleigh Cummings' mother - Crystal Sheffield, 23, of Baker County - was clutching a framed school picture of her daughter Wednesday afternoon as she issued a desperate plea.

"I just want whoever has her to bring her home, drop her off somewhere," Sheffield said as she fought back tears. "I just don't know who could have done this. It's tearing me apart. Whoever did this is wrong. ... They hurt a lot of people."

She said Haleigh is a "wonderful child" who acts very motherly toward her brother, Ronald Cummings Jr., who is 2. She also liked computers, purses and phones.

Sheffield said she has custody of the children every other weekend and is scheduled to pick them up on Friday. She said she thinks the child was taken and would not have wandered off on her own. She has spoken to Haleigh's father.

"He's tore up. He blames himself for it, because if he would have been at home it wouldn't have happened."

Sheffield said she doesn't know Cummings' girlfriend, but from what she heard she always treated the children well.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 11, 2009, 04:44:53 PM
I do not ever want to say this -

When a child is missing, lost - My heart breaks into a million pieces every time I hear and or read a child is missing - or is hurt in any way.

I watched the video of Haleigh's Father

My personal opinion

I am scared for her. He even rocked that his daughter is missing .... I am sorry and God Forgive me if I am wrong. He is not right. Something is wrong with him. Something is not right.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


God Bless You Baby ~ I pray your Found.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 11, 2009, 05:03:24 PM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

Padilla offers reward
for abducted girl
Last Edited: Wednesday, 11 Feb 2009, 3:30 PM EST
Created On: Wednesday, 11 Feb 2009, 10:39 AM EST

SNIPPED

I remember in the beginning with Caylee that Leonard said bounty hunters would be a could resource for finding missing children.  Not just for a reward, but they way of tracking people and getting inside people's heads.

I know Leonard isn't popular, but if he can do anything to help missing children, then as far as I am concerned God bless him


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Artcolley on February 11, 2009, 05:22:21 PM
Ospainter

Thank you so much for staying on top of this. I appreciate the articles and the links.

I sure hope they find this poor baby soon.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Treehouse on February 11, 2009, 05:29:09 PM
Haleigh Ann-Marie   ...  Caylee Marie 

This is eerie. Two little girls with similar names from Central Florida.

Lord, please bring Haleigh home safely. Give strength and guidance to TES and LE. Bless the children.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 11, 2009, 05:37:20 PM
Padilla will bring some publicity forward to the public. That is a good thing.
Time passing is the worst enemy in these cases.
I want this girl found safe also. I will pray, but it doesn't seem to be working recently.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 11, 2009, 05:44:38 PM
Padilla will bring some publicity forward to the public. That is a good thing.
Time passing is the worst enemy in these cases.
I want this girl found safe also. I will pray, but it doesn't seem to be working recently.


Keep Praying Kat_Gram ...  :smt049


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 05:48:50 PM
Was up most of the night worrying about this beautiful little girl.

LE said in News conference that some have taken polys. That should help them rule out some.

Glad LP offered the reward, hope he goes to site and helps in anyway he can.

Especially thankful that Tim and TES has been called in.

I hope NG and Greta will follow this until Haleigh is found.

I did find Myspace for Misty (gf) has not logged in since Sept 08.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=412920159 

Last Login: 9/12/2008

Crystal (mother) Crystal: http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Last Login: 2/11/2009 (someone was logged on while I was there.

Marie Crystal's mother: http://www.myspace.com/luckylady1207

43 / Female
GLEN SAINT MARY, Florida, US
Last Login: 2/9/2009

Time is passing...Where is Haleigh..Please bring her home..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 05:50:39 PM
Ospainter

Thank you so much for staying on top of this. I appreciate the articles and the links.

I sure hope they find this poor baby soon.

Hi Art,

YW

I hope so too..it is heartbreaking..

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2009, 06:45:04 PM
OSpainter - what is your gut feeling in this case?

Also, I'm thinking of moving this to the high profile forum.  I may wait a day to see if she is found but I just have a feeling on this.  What do you think?  High profile up by Caylee?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 11, 2009, 06:54:29 PM
OSpainter - what is your gut feeling in this case?

Also, I'm thinking of moving this to the high profile forum.  I may wait a day to see if she is found but I just have a feeling on this.  What do you think?  High profile up by Caylee?

Hi Klaas~I know you didn't ask me, but I thought the dad's statement on tv was odd, in a Susan Smith way. I remember her begging for her babies to be found and never believing for one second that she didn't know wher they were. Don't know why, and I may be way off base here, but there is something just not right.....felt the same was about Scott Peterson too...... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2009, 06:59:25 PM
OSpainter - what is your gut feeling in this case?

Also, I'm thinking of moving this to the high profile forum.  I may wait a day to see if she is found but I just have a feeling on this.  What do you think?  High profile up by Caylee?

Hi Klaas~I know you didn't ask me, but I thought the dad's statement on tv was odd, in a Susan Smith way. I remember her begging for her babies to be found and never believing for one second that she didn't know wher they were. Don't know why, and I may be way off base here, but there is something just not right.....felt the same was about Scott Peterson too...... ::MonkeyConfused::

I got the same feeling and I hope I'm wrong.  I just listened to him again.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 07:01:31 PM
Hi Klaas,

I just don't know yet.

I guess I think the GF is somehow involved either directly or indirectly. I hate to even say that..

Sheriff mentioned the polys, I hope father and gf both have taken one. We just don't know.

We know from past experience it can happen that someone comes in a house and removes a child. i.e. Jessie and Danielle.

I did see on CNNHL that the LE has removed 1/2 of the resources so that tells me they have ruled out a lot in the immediate area.

So imo they either feel she is abducted and no longer in the area OR someone in the residence is involved in her disappearance.

There is an update coming up on CNNHL news at 7 est.

Yes moving it might help get some research and discussion going.

OS



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2009, 07:05:38 PM
Since we have alot of Floridians with the Caylee case I do think this would benefit being moved up to the high profile area with Caylee as well.

I'll be moving it momentarily and I'll leave a re-direct here for a while.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 07:16:02 PM
Since we have alot of Floridians with the Caylee case I do think this would benefit being moved up to the high profile area with Caylee as well.

I'll be moving it momentarily and I'll leave a re-direct here for a while.

I agree, some very good researchers in Caylee thread.

Thank you

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2009, 07:17:39 PM
Topic has been moved now.  This allows for separate threads to be created in this case too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 11, 2009, 07:23:10 PM
17 yr old live in girlfriend? I have so many questions..  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 11, 2009, 07:27:59 PM
17 yr old live in girlfriend? I have so many questions..  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, I agree. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2009, 07:53:41 PM
I just created a separate thread for photos and maps  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 11, 2009, 08:11:40 PM
There are tons of inconsistancies in this story. Her age, what she was wearing. WHO went to the bathroom the girlfriend or Haleigh? What time did dad come home..3. 330, 345? If Haleigh got up to go to the bathroom around the same time her dad came home why did they not hear anything? If the girlfriend left to use the restroom wouldn't that be pretty ballsy of someone with that limited amount of time to dodge off with a girl? If GF used the bathroom is not as if she'd be in there forever...how many peeps wake up to take a cr@p in the middle of the night? How many kids wake up to go pee.... especially those afraid of the dark??? I watched the video...the dad did make my hinky meter go off....his bravado about killing whoever took her. I wonder if dads work log can be verified? What time did he actually come home and how much time until 911 was called? The gf is in on this too.... it's too bad the two year old can't talk  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 08:13:37 PM
Ronald Cummings (father) on NG

He said he and his gf both took polys and passed.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2009, 08:24:48 PM
Ronald Cummings (father) on NG

He said he and his gf both took polys and passed.



I feel a little better about the father seeing him again on NG.  Glad to hear he passed a poly and the girlfriend too.  Girlfriend is only 17 so I can imagine this is really hard on her too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kpg on February 11, 2009, 08:26:54 PM


Cummings reminds me of Mark Lundsford. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 08:35:22 PM


Cummings reminds me of Mark Lundsford. 


Me too.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kpg on February 11, 2009, 08:39:21 PM



This does not seem to be a random situation.  Someone had to know the habits of the family.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2009, 08:44:24 PM



This does not seem to be a random situation.  Someone had to know the habits of the family.


Kpg - I agree.  They knew the father was at work and the kids were being watched by the 17yr old girlfriend.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 11, 2009, 08:48:20 PM
Ronald Cummings (father) on NG

He said he and his gf both took polys and passed.



I feel a little better about the father seeing him again on NG.  Glad to hear he passed a poly and the girlfriend too.  Girlfriend is only 17 so I can imagine this is really hard on her too.

 I am still skeptical, people can practice and pass lie detectors. I just fear this couple took a look at the Caylee case and decided what NOT to do and what TO do to make some easy money.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Mtnmom on February 11, 2009, 08:57:43 PM
Anyone have the NG transcripts. I thought I heard the girl say the door was locked. Maybe it was a 911 call.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 11, 2009, 08:59:50 PM
Anyone have the NG transcripts. I thought I heard the girl say the door was locked. Maybe it was a 911 call.

I just re-watched it and she did says "yes the back door always stays locked".


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kpg on February 11, 2009, 09:02:42 PM



This does not seem to be a random situation.  Someone had to know the habits of the family.


Kpg - I agree.  They knew the father was at work and the kids were being watched by the 17yr old girlfriend.



They also made the choice to take a little girl away and leave a little boy there.  Sick and perverse any way you look at it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 11, 2009, 09:03:27 PM
Ronald Cummings (father) on NG

He said he and his gf both took polys and passed.



I feel a little better about the father seeing him again on NG.  Glad to hear he passed a poly and the girlfriend too.  Girlfriend is only 17 so I can imagine this is really hard on her too.

 I am still skeptical, people can practice and pass lie detectors. I just fear this couple took a look at the Caylee case and decided what NOT to do and what TO do to make some easy money.

I feel better, but would feel better if heard this from LE........he seemed to be looking down and away during that interview and that along with the GF, and time lapse between finding her missing and calling 911 keeps my hinky meter running.

I pray I am wrong, yet that leaves the door open to a sex predator and that's equally as disturbing. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: heykim on February 11, 2009, 09:03:37 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Video

Father pleading for Haleigh.

I get the same reaction watching him I had watching Susan Smith.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


oh OUCH... i said the very same thing to my family this afternoon when i saw the daddy...

i pray i am totally WRONG...


please.. let me be wrong...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Mtnmom on February 11, 2009, 09:08:44 PM
Anyone have the NG transcripts. I thought I heard the girl say the door was locked. Maybe it was a 911 call.

I just re-watched it and she did says "yes the back door always stays locked".


I kinda wonder if the caretaker left the home while the children were sleeping.-Just a hunch


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2009, 09:10:37 PM
Anyone have the NG transcripts. I thought I heard the girl say the door was locked. Maybe it was a 911 call.

I just re-watched it and she did says "yes the back door always stays locked".


I kinda wonder if the caretaker left the home while the children were sleeping.-Just a hunch

Wow, hadn't thought about that. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mariloo on February 11, 2009, 09:19:39 PM
Somthing is not right here.  How old is the father?  17 year old girlfriend?  Where is her mamma?  Seems odd she would run to her family if she is innocent.  Father seems not as upset as I am and I don't even know the child.  God help these poor children out there at the mercy of these perverts.  I am suspecting the GF now.  Did anyone verify father was at work?  Mistie already made mistake with the back door being locked.  I am glad Tim with ES is on his way.  So very sad.  I don't believe they will not find this girl alive and I hope and pray I am wrong.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Mtnmom on February 11, 2009, 09:26:39 PM
Anyone have the NG transcripts. I thought I heard the girl say the door was locked. Maybe it was a 911 call.

I just re-watched it and she did says "yes the back door always stays locked".


I kinda wonder if the caretaker left the home while the children were sleeping.-Just a hunch

Wow, hadn't thought about that. 

Maybe the child woke up didnt see Dads girlfriend, walked out the front door looking for her. They didnt mention anything about the front door.

They said something about finding her scent near the water. Or if the dogs tracked the child from the backdoor.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 10:13:59 PM
Mother on Greta

she says father works 3 to 3 as a crane operator for PDM Bridge.

I assume 3pm to 3 am.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 11, 2009, 10:16:41 PM
I do not want to jump to any conclusions about any family members or the GF.
We know way too little to think anything bad of any one in this one. I remember the Jessica Lunsford one. Too many same things, trailer park, broken family, Dad gone from house, no one heard a damn thing. Surrounded by registered sex offenders. Ugh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 11, 2009, 10:21:21 PM
Mother on Greta

she says father works 3 to 3 as a crane operator for PDM Bridge.

I assume 3pm to 3 am.

I missed that, wonder how far the home is from work. I heard TES will be there searching..... I pray she is safe, yet my head leads in another direction. ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kpg on February 11, 2009, 10:21:48 PM
Mother on Greta

she says father works 3 to 3 as a crane operator for PDM Bridge.

I assume 3pm to 3 am.

Mom does not seem to have a problem with dad.  Dad has custody, mom has visitation every other weekend.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2009, 10:22:31 PM
Sounds like the 17yr old girlfriends has also taken a polygraph.  It's beginning to sound more and more to me like a stranger abduction.  I don't think Haleigh would have propped open the door with a block and walk out into the dark by herself.  Nothing but WOODS and WATER near this housing area:



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/haleighArea.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 10:27:33 PM
http://www.pdmbridge.com/

Since father arrived home between 3 and 3:30..maybe 20 ish mins.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 11, 2009, 10:30:06 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131126&catid=3


  ::MonkeyEek:: 

 However, right now investigators are asking volunteers to hold off and wait while they concentrate closely on the investigation. Still family members are doing all that they can to find Haleigh Cummings


SATSUMA, FL -- Concerns for little Haleigh Cummings spread quickly through out the Satsuma community since Tuesday morning when she disappeared.

Satsuma, a small town with a population around 5,000 people, is a place where neighbors are friends and you hardly meet an unfamiliar face.

"My daughter use to keep Haleigh at the day care center," said Bill Graham, a neighbor. He said that this is just terrible.

Around town, businesses and neighbors have put up signs praying for the little girl's return. People around town have volunteered their time, resources, vehicles, and even boats to help in the search. One man drove down from his home in St. Marys with a trailer of horses to offer police.

However, right now investigators are asking volunteers to hold off and wait while they concentrate closely on the investigation. Still family members are doing all that they can to find Haleigh Cummings.

A family member of Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's dad, has printed up flyers on her home computer. Elesha Izor, has walked street to street distributing the flyers and taping them to windshields.

"We are doing as much as we can. As soon as they let us, we are going to search. We're not going to stop until we find her. I promise you that," Izor said.

Gail Comer, a lifelong Satsuma resident cannot recall the last time an even like this occurred. She said it has scarred the entire community-- especially the children of Satsuma.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 11, 2009, 10:31:26 PM
http://www.pdmbridge.com/

Since father arrived home between 3 and 3:30..maybe 20 ish mins.



Thanks OS.....love you avi photo.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bikerbev on February 11, 2009, 10:36:45 PM
I can understand the senerio that played out when Elizabeth Smart was abducted.  The man who took her intimiated Elizabeth's little sister and scared her into not telling anybody about stealing Elizabeth.  But, for someone to walk into a bedroom with a 17 year old, a 4 year old and 5 year old all together and nobody waking up or making a peep seems odd.  I wake up when ever I hear my bedroom door opens or the bed moves, etc.  Also, seems odd that back door was propped open with a cinderblock which makes me think that whoever it was carried the child out....I'm thinking maybe a sex offender as in the Lundsford case, but just don't know for sure.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 11, 2009, 10:37:43 PM
Sounds like the 17yr old girlfriends has also taken a polygraph.  It's beginning to sound more and more to me like a stranger abduction.  I don't think Haleigh would have propped open the door with a block and walk out into the dark by herself.  Nothing but WOODS and WATER near this housing area:



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/haleighArea.jpg)


YIKES!!!! That area looks like a nightmare to search....

I am curious WHY a cinder block would be placed propping open the back door. Surely a 5yr old wouldn't be that heavy that you'd need to prop a door open and they just stated on NG that this poor baby was terrified of the water due to falling in some and having to be resucitated and now they have been concentrating heavily on the water.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 10:38:54 PM
http://www.pdmbridge.com/

Since father arrived home between 3 and 3:30..maybe 20 ish mins.



Thanks OS.....love you avi photo.

YW..love yours too. all your pics are so pretty..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 11, 2009, 10:42:48 PM
http://www.pdmbridge.com/

Since father arrived home between 3 and 3:30..maybe 20 ish mins.



Thanks OS.....love you avi photo.

YW..love yours too. all your pics are so pretty..

Thank you. Yours looks like it's your own photo also.

Thr ratio of sex offenders to general population is almost 100 to 1. That scared the hell out of me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 11, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
I saw that there were 44 sex offenders within a 5 mile radius.  And can't remember how many there were in Adji's area... but there were a lot.

Do all sex offenders head to Florida?  Or do they just have a "better" tracking method there and we all live with that many around us and don't know it?  Geez...it is so damn scary.

Am praying that this is not the case, but what else could it be if they have all passed lie detectors?











Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: stayhomemommy on February 11, 2009, 10:50:03 PM

I saw that there were 44 sex offenders within a 5 mile radius.  And can't remember how many there were in Adji's area... but there were a lot.

Do all sex offenders head to Florida?  Or do they just have a "better" tracking method there and we all live with that many around us and don't know it?  Geez...it is so damn scary.

Am praying that this is not the case, but what else could it be if they have all passed lie detectors?

Hi Monkeys. I was wondering the same thing about sex offenders. Wow! There seems to be a plethora of them in Florida.
All I can do is sigh and think, "Here we go again." when I read about this case. Very saddening.











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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 11, 2009, 10:51:33 PM
I do not want to jump to any conclusions about any family members or the GF.
We know way too little to think anything bad of any one in this one. I remember the Jessica Lunsford one. Too many same things, trailer park, broken family, Dad gone from house, no one heard a damn thing. Surrounded by registered sex offenders. Ugh.

I hear what you are saying. I listened to the 911..back door always locked, yet no sign of forced entry. Maybe the 17 yr old went out for a smoke and forgot to lock it and was afraid to tell her BF. The dads interview was odd, lots of crying but no tears, looking away ( I never saw him look right at the camera) and lots of threats against the perp. I don't know, I am not a man but he either is just very immature or guilty.
 I bet if everyone knew how many registered sex offenders lived near them there would be a bigger push for making the moon an inhabitable gated community. Sex offenders are not only molesters but those who have had sex with a minor, therefore an 18 year old who has consensual sex with a 15 yr old and gets caught can be classified as such. In this case a 24 yr old man has a live in 17 yr old GF, charges could be filed and he would attain such status too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 10:52:58 PM



YW..love yours too. all your pics are so pretty..

Thank you. Yours looks like it's your own photo also.

Thr ratio of sex offenders to general population is almost 100 to 1. That scared the hell out of me.

I was shocked that there are 44 sex offenders within 5 miles, 1 within 100 yrs, 1 within 1/2 mi..

Nags head, internet photo..

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: stayhomemommy on February 11, 2009, 10:55:16 PM
I do not want to jump to any conclusions about any family members or the GF.
We know way too little to think anything bad of any one in this one. I remember the Jessica Lunsford one. Too many same things, trailer park, broken family, Dad gone from house, no one heard a damn thing. Surrounded by registered sex offenders. Ugh.

I hear what you are saying. I listened to the 911..back door always locked, yet no sign of forced entry. Maybe the 17 yr old went out for a smoke and forgot to lock it and was afraid to tell her BF. The dads interview was odd, lots of crying but no tears, looking away ( I never saw him look right at the camera) and lots of threats against the perp. I don't know, I am not a man but he either is just very immature or guilty.
 I bet if everyone knew how many registered sex offenders lived near them there would be a bigger push for making the moon an inhabitable gated community. Sex offenders are not only molesters but those who have had sex with a minor, therefore an 18 year old who has consensual sex with a 15 yr old and gets caught can be classified as such. In this case a 24 yr old man has a live in 17 yr old GF, charges could be filed and he would attain such status too.

I am not 100% sure, but I think in some states, the age of consent is indeed 17. Anyone know for sure about Florida?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 11, 2009, 10:59:07 PM
I do not want to jump to any conclusions about any family members or the GF.
We know way too little to think anything bad of any one in this one. I remember the Jessica Lunsford one. Too many same things, trailer park, broken family, Dad gone from house, no one heard a damn thing. Surrounded by registered sex offenders. Ugh.

I hear what you are saying. I listened to the 911..back door always locked, yet no sign of forced entry. Maybe the 17 yr old went out for a smoke and forgot to lock it and was afraid to tell her BF. The dads interview was odd, lots of crying but no tears, looking away ( I never saw him look right at the camera) and lots of threats against the perp. I don't know, I am not a man but he either is just very immature or guilty.
 I bet if everyone knew how many registered sex offenders lived near them there would be a bigger push for making the moon an inhabitable gated community. Sex offenders are not only molesters but those who have had sex with a minor, therefore an 18 year old who has consensual sex with a 15 yr old and gets caught can be classified as such. In this case a 24 yr old man has a live in 17 yr old GF, charges could be filed and he would attain such status too.

I am not 100% sure, but I think in some states, the age of consent is indeed 17. Anyone know for sure about Florida?

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 11, 2009, 11:12:07 PM
I do not want to jump to any conclusions about any family members or the GF.
We know way too little to think anything bad of any one in this one. I remember the Jessica Lunsford one. Too many same things, trailer park, broken family, Dad gone from house, no one heard a damn thing. Surrounded by registered sex offenders. Ugh.

I hear what you are saying. I listened to the 911..back door always locked, yet no sign of forced entry. Maybe the 17 yr old went out for a smoke and forgot to lock it and was afraid to tell her BF. The dads interview was odd, lots of crying but no tears, looking away ( I never saw him look right at the camera) and lots of threats against the perp. I don't know, I am not a man but he either is just very immature or guilty.
 I bet if everyone knew how many registered sex offenders lived near them there would be a bigger push for making the moon an inhabitable gated community. Sex offenders are not only molesters but those who have had sex with a minor, therefore an 18 year old who has consensual sex with a 15 yr old and gets caught can be classified as such. In this case a 24 yr old man has a live in 17 yr old GF, charges could be filed and he would attain such status too.

I am not 100% sure, but I think in some states, the age of consent is indeed 17. Anyone know for sure about Florida?


http://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/olrdata/jud/rpt/2003-R-0376.htm

anyone age 24 yrs or older has sex with 16 or 17 yr olds = 15 yrs


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 11, 2009, 11:14:09 PM
"We go door to door. We meet with the homeowners and ask if they mind if we go look around," said Lt. Johnny Greenwood, a spokesman for the sheriff's office. "You ask if you can look in the back of the house, at the sheds and anything that's around there."



This above was from an earlier report.....notice NO FORCED ENTRY, then below notice FORCED ENTRY ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131034&catid=3

SATSUMA, FL -- The search for missing Haleigh Cummings will continue under the cover of darkness in the neighborhood where she disappeared early Tuesday morning.

Cummings was reported missing by her father when he returned home from work in Palatka after 3 a.m.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office says a rear door to the trailer was found open. The girl's father, Ronald Cummings, told First Coast News the door was forced open.  Law enforcement from neighboring counties and the FBI assisted in the search with helicopters and boats. Search teams combed the woods and divers worked the waters of the nearby St. Johns River.

Nancy Bump lives on the neighborhood and knew something had happened when she heard a helicopter circling overhead before sunrise.

Bump says search dogs led investigators to the river near her home.

"They walked right down to the end of the dock and ever since then they have been looking in the water," said Bump.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement first issued a Missing Child Alert before upgrading it to an Amber Alert for the missing girl. Haleigh was last seen wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Call 911 or Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS. You'll remain anonymous and could receive a cash reward of up to $1,000 if your information leads to an arrest.

I'm a bit confused.....what was the last word on forced entry???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 11, 2009, 11:27:31 PM
EDIT~FORGOT CORRECT QUOTE

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-missing-florida-girl-021109,0,947501.story



Grandmother of missing girl: 'Just bring her back'
Helen Eckinger and Gary Taylor

Sentinel Staff Writer

2:09 PM EST, February 11, 2009

SATSUMA -- Five-year-old Haleigh Cummings is afraid of the dark and would not have wandered off into the night, her family told the Orlando Sentinel today as investigators stepped up a massive search for the Putnam County girl.

Haleigh, who is nicknamed Doodlebug, lives with her father and his girlfriend in this rural county about 80 miles north of Orlando. Her father, Ronald Cummings, 25, put Haleigh to bed about 10 p.m. Monday before he left for work. His 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, found Haleigh missing about 3:30 a.m. Tuesday.

"Haleigh is a very indoor-type child," Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, said today. "If she goes outside, she wants you to be with her -- she would never go outside by herself in the dark."



Det. John Merchant of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said that a screen door on the side of the couple's Satsuma home had been propped open with a block, but they found no obvious signs of forced entry
This above was from an earlier report.....notice NO FORCED ENTRY, then below notice FORCED ENTRY ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131034&catid=3

SATSUMA, FL -- The search for missing Haleigh Cummings will continue under the cover of darkness in the neighborhood where she disappeared early Tuesday morning.

Cummings was reported missing by her father when he returned home from work in Palatka after 3 a.m.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office says a rear door to the trailer was found open. The girl's father, Ronald Cummings, told First Coast News the door was forced open.  Law enforcement from neighboring counties and the FBI assisted in the search with helicopters and boats. Search teams combed the woods and divers worked the waters of the nearby St. Johns River.

Nancy Bump lives on the neighborhood and knew something had happened when she heard a helicopter circling overhead before sunrise.

Bump says search dogs led investigators to the river near her home.

"They walked right down to the end of the dock and ever since then they have been looking in the water," said Bump.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement first issued a Missing Child Alert before upgrading it to an Amber Alert for the missing girl. Haleigh was last seen wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Call 911 or Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS. You'll remain anonymous and could receive a cash reward of up to $1,000 if your information leads to an arrest.

I'm a bit confused.....what was the last word on forced entry???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 11, 2009, 11:40:43 PM
EDIT~FORGOT CORRECT QUOTE

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-missing-florida-girl-021109,0,947501.story



Grandmother of missing girl: 'Just bring her back'
Helen Eckinger and Gary Taylor

Sentinel Staff Writer

2:09 PM EST, February 11, 2009

SATSUMA -- Five-year-old Haleigh Cummings is afraid of the dark and would not have wandered off into the night, her family told the Orlando Sentinel today as investigators stepped up a massive search for the Putnam County girl.

Haleigh, who is nicknamed Doodlebug, lives with her father and his girlfriend in this rural county about 80 miles north of Orlando. Her father, Ronald Cummings, 25, put Haleigh to bed about 10 p.m. Monday before he left for work. His 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, found Haleigh missing about 3:30 a.m. Tuesday.

"Haleigh is a very indoor-type child," Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, said today. "If she goes outside, she wants you to be with her -- she would never go outside by herself in the dark."



Det. John Merchant of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said that a screen door on the side of the couple's Satsuma home had been propped open with a block, but they found no obvious signs of forced entry
This above was from an earlier report.....notice NO FORCED ENTRY, then below notice FORCED ENTRY ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131034&catid=3

SATSUMA, FL -- The search for missing Haleigh Cummings will continue under the cover of darkness in the neighborhood where she disappeared early Tuesday morning.

Cummings was reported missing by her father when he returned home from work in Palatka after 3 a.m.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office says a rear door to the trailer was found open. The girl's father, Ronald Cummings, told First Coast News the door was forced open.  Law enforcement from neighboring counties and the FBI assisted in the search with helicopters and boats. Search teams combed the woods and divers worked the waters of the nearby St. Johns River.

Nancy Bump lives on the neighborhood and knew something had happened when she heard a helicopter circling overhead before sunrise.

Bump says search dogs led investigators to the river near her home.

"They walked right down to the end of the dock and ever since then they have been looking in the water," said Bump.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement first issued a Missing Child Alert before upgrading it to an Amber Alert for the missing girl. Haleigh was last seen wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Call 911 or Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS. You'll remain anonymous and could receive a cash reward of up to $1,000 if your information leads to an arrest.

I'm a bit confused.....what was the last word on forced entry???


...Yeah!  Wish the media or whomever could get their stories straight.  You don't know who is confusing the details here. 

Maybe propped the door so it wouldn't slam. 

So if the Dad works 12 hour shift..and then was "interviewed" for that video with no sleep and being distraught is the reason it looks so strange.   Wondering when he would have seen his daughter last if he really goes to work at 3?  (unless she goes 1/2 day for Kindergarten)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 11, 2009, 11:43:55 PM
EDIT~FORGOT CORRECT QUOTE

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-missing-florida-girl-021109,0,947501.story



Grandmother of missing girl: 'Just bring her back'
Helen Eckinger and Gary Taylor

Sentinel Staff Writer

2:09 PM EST, February 11, 2009

SATSUMA -- Five-year-old Haleigh Cummings is afraid of the dark and would not have wandered off into the night, her family told the Orlando Sentinel today as investigators stepped up a massive search for the Putnam County girl.

Haleigh, who is nicknamed Doodlebug, lives with her father and his girlfriend in this rural county about 80 miles north of Orlando. Her father, Ronald Cummings, 25, put Haleigh to bed about 10 p.m. Monday before he left for work. His 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, found Haleigh missing about 3:30 a.m. Tuesday.

"Haleigh is a very indoor-type child," Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, said today. "If she goes outside, she wants you to be with her -- she would never go outside by herself in the dark."



Det. John Merchant of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said that a screen door on the side of the couple's Satsuma home had been propped open with a block, but they found no obvious signs of forced entry
This above was from an earlier report.....notice NO FORCED ENTRY, then below notice FORCED ENTRY ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131034&catid=3

SATSUMA, FL -- The search for missing Haleigh Cummings will continue under the cover of darkness in the neighborhood where she disappeared early Tuesday morning.

Cummings was reported missing by her father when he returned home from work in Palatka after 3 a.m.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office says a rear door to the trailer was found open. The girl's father, Ronald Cummings, told First Coast News the door was forced open.  Law enforcement from neighboring counties and the FBI assisted in the search with helicopters and boats. Search teams combed the woods and divers worked the waters of the nearby St. Johns River.

Nancy Bump lives on the neighborhood and knew something had happened when she heard a helicopter circling overhead before sunrise.

Bump says search dogs led investigators to the river near her home.

"They walked right down to the end of the dock and ever since then they have been looking in the water," said Bump.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement first issued a Missing Child Alert before upgrading it to an Amber Alert for the missing girl. Haleigh was last seen wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Call 911 or Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS. You'll remain anonymous and could receive a cash reward of up to $1,000 if your information leads to an arrest.

I'm a bit confused.....what was the last word on forced entry???
Well I think the DAD said forced open on the 911 call but when LE got there they said no obvious signs of forced entry which basically would mean no forced entry but its cover your ass speak. Usually you would have marks etc.. but I don't know if picking a lock is "forced" entry. I think the dad just said that so they ( 911) would escalate the call. He certainly wasn't very patient ... which is understandable but I would be outside calling for her, searching the house etc. It seemed like he was more angry than terrified but who is to say thats not normal?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 11, 2009, 11:58:18 PM
EDIT~FORGOT CORRECT QUOTE

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-missing-florida-girl-021109,0,947501.story



Grandmother of missing girl: 'Just bring her back'
Helen Eckinger and Gary Taylor

Sentinel Staff Writer

2:09 PM EST, February 11, 2009

SATSUMA -- Five-year-old Haleigh Cummings is afraid of the dark and would not have wandered off into the night, her family told the Orlando Sentinel today as investigators stepped up a massive search for the Putnam County girl.

Haleigh, who is nicknamed Doodlebug, lives with her father and his girlfriend in this rural county about 80 miles north of Orlando. Her father, Ronald Cummings, 25, put Haleigh to bed about 10 p.m. Monday before he left for work. His 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, found Haleigh missing about 3:30 a.m. Tuesday.

"Haleigh is a very indoor-type child," Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, said today. "If she goes outside, she wants you to be with her -- she would never go outside by herself in the dark."



Det. John Merchant of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said that a screen door on the side of the couple's Satsuma home had been propped open with a block, but they found no obvious signs of forced entry
This above was from an earlier report.....notice NO FORCED ENTRY, then below notice FORCED ENTRY ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131034&catid=3

SATSUMA, FL -- The search for missing Haleigh Cummings will continue under the cover of darkness in the neighborhood where she disappeared early Tuesday morning.

Cummings was reported missing by her father when he returned home from work in Palatka after 3 a.m.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office says a rear door to the trailer was found open. The girl's father, Ronald Cummings, told First Coast News the door was forced open.  Law enforcement from neighboring counties and the FBI assisted in the search with helicopters and boats. Search teams combed the woods and divers worked the waters of the nearby St. Johns River.

Nancy Bump lives on the neighborhood and knew something had happened when she heard a helicopter circling overhead before sunrise.

Bump says search dogs led investigators to the river near her home.

"They walked right down to the end of the dock and ever since then they have been looking in the water," said Bump.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement first issued a Missing Child Alert before upgrading it to an Amber Alert for the missing girl. Haleigh was last seen wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Call 911 or Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS. You'll remain anonymous and could receive a cash reward of up to $1,000 if your information leads to an arrest.

I'm a bit confused.....what was the last word on forced entry???
Well I think the DAD said forced open on the 911 call but when LE got there they said no obvious signs of forced entry which basically would mean no forced entry but its cover your ass speak. Usually you would have marks etc.. but I don't know if picking a lock is "forced" entry. I think the dad just said that so they ( 911) would escalate the call. He certainly wasn't very patient ... which is understandable but I would be outside calling for her, searching the house etc. It seemed like he was more angry than terrified but who is to say thats not normal?

I went back and can't find him stating that on the 911 calls, but I know there were 2 calls and I thought I saw them both. What I thought was odd was his lack of eye contact and looking down during the NG interview. i could be way off base, but it just seemed odd to me, ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 11, 2009, 11:59:54 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4537.new#new

NG transcript 2/11/09


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 12:38:05 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18695730/detail.html

48 Hours Pass With No Sign Of Missing Girl

POSTED: Wednesday, February 11, 2009
UPDATED: 12:23 am EST February 12, 2009


Haleigh Cummings
 VIDEO:
Focus Shifts From Search To Investigation
UNCUT: Father's Emotional Interview
UNCUT 911 Calls 
 
SATSUMA, Fla. -- More than two full days have passed since anyone's seen Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings, and still the Putnam County girl is no where to be found.

Haleigh was last seen at 10 p.m. Monday in bed at her home in the Hermet's Cove mobile home park where she lived with her father, his 17-year-old girlfriend and her 2-year-old brother.

Investigators were told the last person to see the 5-year-old was her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin, who told investigators that she saw the girl in her bed at 10 p.m. Monday. She told police Tuesday that when she awoke at 3 a.m. to use the bathroom, Haleigh was missing and the back door of the home was open.

Channel 4 was told that that Croslin was interviewed for a second time at midday Wednesday, but authorities said Croslin -- and everyone connected with the family -- was cooperating with authorities.
On Wednesday night, Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, made another plea for the safe return of his little girl.

"I'd like to say if anybody's watching and they've seen the picture of my daughter and they've seen her anywhere, please get in contact with local law enforcement officer or Crimestoppers," Cummings said. "I know what happened to my daughter. She came up missing out of my house in the middle of the night. Besides that, no I don't know."

Detectives said they don't know either.

On Wednesday, investigators announced the 5-year-old's disappearance is being treated as an abduction and the active search for the child was scaled back as Putnam County deputies, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the FBI focused on the investigation into what happened to the girl, according to lead Detective John Merchant.

They said everyone, from family members to friends to a repairman who serviced the family's air conditioning unit, is being questioned about in the case.

Police interviewed people who know Haleigh and people who do not. Investigators have even offered lie-detector tests to anyone who would take one.

"Yes, I have taken a polygraph test. Yes, I did pass it," Cummings said.

Detectives said no one is being considered a person of interest in the girl's disappearance, and everyone is still considered a suspect.
Candlelight Vigil Held For Haleigh

"Bring my baby home," Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, pleaded on Wednesday morning. "That's all I want is my baby home."
 
For the second time in as many days, friends and family said a prayer and lit candles for Haleigh's safe return.

The missing girl's loved ones have been sitting under a tent just yards away from the home for much of the day as they leaned on each other for support.

"I don't know where she is or who has her. I just want her home," said Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield.

Haleigh's grandmother, Marie Griffiths, told Channel 4 the little girl would never willing go with a stranger, but she still has hope the 5-year-old is alive.

"Haleigh is living and breathing. I don't feel that there's anything that has happened to her bad," Griffiths said.

Investigators have ruled out the possibility the girl may have wandered off in the middle of the night because she's afraid of the dark. However, Haleigh's mother confirmed there was in an incident a few years ago in which the child wandered to a canal near their back yard and was found floating face down.

Sheffield and investigators insist that incident has nothing to do with the current situation.

"Just bring my baby home," Sheffield said on Wednesday.

"She's a baby. She needs her mother, and she needs her family. She don’t need to be out there with strangers if that's where she's at. We want her home. Y'all bring her to her mother if you don’t want to take her anywhere else," Griffiths said.

Authorities ask anyone with any information to call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0800 or the FDLE's Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse at 888-FL-MISSING


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 12, 2009, 12:50:21 AM
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/11/news/news01.txt

Massive search targets woods, river in South Putnam for missing girl

BY LARRY SULLIVAN
Published: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:48 PM EST
Palatka Daily News

SATSUMA - A young girl was reported missing, and possibly abducted, from her South Putnam County home early Tuesday.

The disappearance of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings triggered a massive search on land, water and in the air as more than 130 officers from agencies across Northeast Florida responded to the Satsuma area.

"We would hope that she is safe," Detective John Merchant said Tuesday. "And we're hoping for the best outcome."

The nightmare began about 3 a.m.

Haleigh wasn't in bed. The back door of a blue doublewide mobile home was open, and a blanket and sheets were scattered on the wooden ramp leading from the door.

Authorities said they were told Haleigh's father, Ronald, had just ended his shift at PDM Bridge in Palatka. His girlfriend, Misty Croslin, said she had been sleeping next to Haleigh, but when she awoke, the blonde-haired girl was gone.

"She was sleeping right next to me," Croslin told the Daily News while distributing flyers bearing Haleigh's photo. "I can't believe I didn't hear anything."

A 911 call at 3:27 a.m. resulted in Putnam County sheriff's deputies being sent to the home, which is on a dirt road in the Hermit's Cove neighborhood.

By daybreak, a Child Abduction Regional Team response was implemented by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement at Putnam County's request. A nearly constant convoy of vehicles and personnel from a wide spectrum of agencies rolled into the otherwise quiet neighborhood.

A roadblock was set up on the only road out of the neighborhood and deputies thoroughly searched every vehicle that left.

Helicopters from Volusia County and the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission flew over the neighborhood and a section of the nearby St. Johns River. Those flights continued into Tuesday night.

Boats from the FWC and Jacksonville Sheriff's Office joined Putnam County deputies seeking clues from the river, while divers searched below the surface.

And, several search teams scoured woods adjacent to the Cummings home.

Some searchers were led by specially trained bloodhounds from the Tomoka Correctional Institution and nearly 30 workers at the state prison in East Palatka joined the effort.

Some officers rode all-terrain vehicles while others walked carefully side-by-side through brush hoping to find some sign of the missing child.

At the same time, authorities went door-to-door asking neighbors if they saw or heard anything that could help find Haleigh.

"Right now, our leads are minimal," Merchant said.

He asked the public to report possible leads to the sheriff's office by calling 329-0800.

"We are doing everything possible," Chief Deputy Rick Ryan said.

Haleigh's 4-year-old brother also was in the home Tuesday night, authorities said.

Haleigh does not have a history of wandering from home.

"That would be abnormal for the child," Merchant said.

Investigators questioned family members for much of Tuesday.

In an interview Tuesday night, Sheriff Jeff Hardy said the FBI had dispatched 16 agents to assist the investigation.

"They'll be on the ground with us Wednesday," he said.

In addition, Hardy said the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children was sending a team to help authorities.

Hardy said he appreciated the fast response and he was hopeful.

"I am optimistic this case will have a positive outcome," he said. "This is a missing, endangered child at this point."

An Amber Alert was issued for Haleigh on Tuesday morning, prompting many tips to be called in to the sheriff's office, Hardy said.

"We're adding to our dispatch staff to handle the calls," he said.

There are no plans at this time to bolster the ranks of searchers with volunteers from the general public Hardy said.

"We have what we consider to be adequate law enforcement resources at this point," he said.

Investigators are pursuing "several different angles" on the case, including the whereabouts of 44 registered sexual offenders who live within a five-mile radius of the Cummings home, Hardy said.

He said "less than 10" were registered sexual predators with a more serious past.

Hardy also said there were no signs of forced entry into the Cummings house.

lsullivan@palatkadailynews.com


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 12, 2009, 01:04:36 AM
Anyone have the NG transcripts. I thought I heard the girl say the door was locked. Maybe it was a 911 call.

The differing info in the media reports about the door is what is making my hinky meter go up. 

The girlfriend supposedly reported 'the door to the family home was unlocked at the time'.  Yet elsewhere she supposedly reported that 'the door is always locked.'  Haleigh's father supposedly reported 'there was forced entry'.  The police supposedly reported 'not finding signs of forced entry'.  There supposedly was 'a brick found on the floor'.  Another report of 'a brick found propped up against the door'. 

Also reported differently is the "17 year old" who was asleep in the same bedroom as the kids.  First reported as being Haleigh's father's girlfriend.  Elsewhere reported as being a family cousin. 

Reported is that the father came home from work at 3 am, also at 3:30 am, also at 3:34 am.  Which is it? 

Is it the young girlfriend calling Haleigh 'her baby'?  As in "I just want my baby home!"  Hmmm... What's up with that?

I realize that early reports in the media can often get jumbled up and takes a bit of time to get all the true info in a case sorted out.  The differing info is confusing!! 

Still and all, my hinky meter also goes up in just watching and listening to Haleigh's father.  Along with some other monkeys, it feels to me like there is just something not right with him. 




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 01:05:22 AM
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx



2005 Documents Claim Haleigh Cummings Wandered Off
  Reported by: Kristen Cosby
Email: kcosby@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 2/11 10:04 pm 

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 SATSUMA, Fla.-- A document filed by the mother of missing girl Haleigh Cummings claims she wandered off when she was in her father's care in 2005.

The document is a "Motion for Rehearing and Objection to Findings of Magistrate." It was filed by Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, in January 2006. Sheffield filed it after Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, was granted primary custody by a judge in December 2005.

The motion says "During or about the month of July 2005, Ronald failed to keep control of the toddler Haleigh while she was in his care, and allowed her to wander off. The child was found and rescued by the mother, floating face down in the canal behind the house. The mother rescued and revived the child."

CBS47/FOX30 asked Sheffield about the incident Wednesday. She said she was outside Ronald's mother's house putting Haleigh's younger brother, Ronald Cummings Jr., in his car seat. She claimed Ronald Cummings Sr. was responsible for Haleigh. Sheffield said she asked Ronald where Haleigh was and he didn't know. She claims she soon found Haleigh in the canal.

Sheffield never called police about this incident and there is no other record of it taking place. A judge has yet to change Ronald's primary custody status.

According to the "Report and Recommendation of the General Magistrate" obtained by CBS47/FOX30 at the Putnam County Courthouse, a judge granted primary custody to Ronald after Sheffield failed to appear at the custody hearing.

Ronald told the judge Haleigh has Turner Syndrome and needs hormone treatments by an endocrinologist. He said Sheffield frequently failed to take Haleigh to her doctors appointments.

Haleigh's father also told the judge Sheffield had a drug problem and was unemployed.

Sheffield was granted visitation rights with both of her children. She can see them every other weekend and on certain holidays. The judge also ordered her to pay child support to Ronald.

Haleigh's father returned home from work 3 a.m. Monday and discovered his daughter disappeared from her bed. Police issued an Amber Alert for her a few hours later. Investigators believe she was abducted.
 
 ::MonkeyConfused:: Who knows if these allegations are true, could be a spurned mother-but no one refutef the fact that she was found in the canal........although I don't belive for one second she wandered off in the dark ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 12, 2009, 01:06:09 AM
*edit above:

I meant to say 3 am, 3:30 am, and 3:45 am. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 12, 2009, 01:22:33 AM
Is it just me and my husband who would be out beatin' the bushes looking if our child was missing?  We'd be out in the dark w/night vision, on foot if we must.

Why is this boy on camera instead of looking for his daugter?

Another poor little lamb with no kind shepherd to guard her...

Foggy




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 12, 2009, 01:24:58 AM
Anyone have the NG transcripts. I thought I heard the girl say the door was locked. Maybe it was a 911 call.

The differing info in the media reports about the door is what is making my hinky meter go up. 

The girlfriend supposedly reported 'the door to the family home was unlocked at the time'.  Yet elsewhere she supposedly reported that 'the door is always locked.'  Haleigh's father supposedly reported 'there was forced entry'.  The police supposedly reported 'not finding signs of forced entry'.  There supposedly was 'a brick found on the floor'.  Another report of 'a brick found propped up against the door'. 

Also reported differently is the "17 year old" who was asleep in the same bedroom as the kids.  First reported as being Haleigh's father's girlfriend.  Elsewhere reported as being a family cousin. 

Reported is that the father came home from work at 3 am, also at 3:30 am, also at 3:34 am.  Which is it? 

Is it the young girlfriend calling Haleigh 'her baby'?  As in "I just want my baby home!"  Hmmm... What's up with that?

I realize that early reports in the media can often get jumbled up and takes a bit of time to get all the true info in a case sorted out.  The differing info is confusing!! 

Still and all, my hinky meter also goes up in just watching and listening to Haleigh's father.  Along with some other monkeys, it feels to me like there is just something not right with him. 




I am with you Wyks...they can't even get the little brother's age correct..one says 2 yrs old...others say 4.  

Just read the NG transcript from tonight...Father speaks...now we have it from the "horses' mouth"...not filtered through jumbled up media.

He does state..both he and the GF passed polys...so thank God for that.  

Seems like GF went to bed about 10-11...Haleigh was there sleeping...GF got up to go the the bathroom about 3...she wasn't there and Back door that they never use...was open.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 01:27:08 AM
Is it just me and my husband who would be out beatin' the bushes looking if our child was missing?  We'd be out in the dark w/night vision, on foot if we must.

Why is this boy on camera instead of looking for his daugter?

Another poor little lamb with no kind shepherd to guard her...

Foggy




From what I read, the LE had asked the family not to search (although I would have to just pizz of LE on that one myself), and the search has been scaled back......WHY??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Mtnmom on February 12, 2009, 01:39:01 AM
So her blanket and sheet were near the backdoor and the ramp?? Seems that would be hard to remove without waking others who were in the bed. Were they all in the same bed?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 12, 2009, 01:39:09 AM
Is it just me and my husband who would be out beatin' the bushes looking if our child was missing?  We'd be out in the dark w/night vision, on foot if we must.

Why is this boy on camera instead of looking for his daugter?

Another poor little lamb with no kind shepherd to guard her...

Foggy





I didn't double-check my post.  After on foot, I meant to add we'd slog through brambles and swamps, over hill and dale on our hands and knees if necessary.  And I daresay our neighbors'd join in and wouldn't quit 'cause of nightfall.

The age of majority is 16 in FL?  Geez, too bad they don't have to take a test to enjoy the privilege.

God protect Miss Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 12, 2009, 01:51:18 AM
Is it just me and my husband who would be out beatin' the bushes looking if our child was missing?  We'd be out in the dark w/night vision, on foot if we must.

Why is this boy on camera instead of looking for his daugter?

Another poor little lamb with no kind shepherd to guard her...

Foggy




From what I read, the LE had asked the family not to search (although I would have to just pizz of LE on that one myself), and the search has been scaled back......WHY??


Yes, IslandM, my DH and I would prob just tell the LE to you-know-what off  ::MonkeyNoNo::, though I can see the intelligence in their admonition. 

If its true the dogs went down to the water, I'm not hopeful.  I heard that the little one was fearful of water and the dark, yet the dogs went to the water.  If the little darlin' is in the water, the dogs (though not necessarily those dogs) can go out on the water and scent decomposition gasses.  I hate to be a doomsayer, but I think LE'll have dogs out in boats soon.  That'd be the why to your question above imho.

When was the baby last seen by her daddy?  Sorry if I've missed that detail.

So it wasn't about Caylee I was feeling so blue today. I now think it was for Miss Haleigh, but didn't want to acknowledge it.

I pray she is found safe and sound.

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 12, 2009, 01:54:39 AM
After reading the above news report about what the birth mother is saying happened in 2005, I'd love to see HER given a lie detector test.  Seems very odd to me that a mother could find her daughter floating in a canal and NOT report that, NOT press for and make sure she retains custody of that child.  Would love to hear the story on this.  And why Haleigh continued to remain in her father's supposed neglectful custody and the birth mother paying him child support.  C'mon.........   ::MonkeyEek::  We for sure aren't hearing 'the rest of the story'.. yet.  So it's hard for me to believe any of the above at face value, for what's it worth.  Yes, does sound like something coming from a disgruntled ex. 

For the 17 yr old supposedly not waking up, not hearing anything... I can believe that.  She's not the mama.  Seems even the hardest sleeping person, after giving birth, tends to become a very light sleeper.  It's weird, yet it's true for many many moms.  The girlfriend, as much as she may have wanted to be alert, is still a teen and not a birth mom.  Teens and young adults tend to sleep like a stone.  So again, I'm not surprised that she supposedly heard nothing. 

Rewatched NG's show from tonight, heard that it was the back SCREEN door that was propped open with a brick.  There are still inconsistencies between the reports and the info from the 911 calls tho.  Perhaps things will get sorted out a bit better in the next few days or so. 

Haleigh's father just seems .... weird.  Those who have posted that he didn't make eye contact.. yes, that's odd.  His supposed 'tears' look contrived.  I have sons near this age, have seen them in a wide range of emotions, none look contrived.  This dude is faking.  I bet my next ciggie on that. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 12, 2009, 02:12:50 AM
Anyone know how big the water is near Haleigh's home?

Maybe she was transported across the water in a boat.  Has LE taken dogs along the shoreline on the other side?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 12, 2009, 02:20:47 AM
Anyone have the NG transcripts. I thought I heard the girl say the door was locked. Maybe it was a 911 call.

The differing info in the media reports about the door is what is making my hinky meter go up. 

The girlfriend supposedly reported 'the door to the family home was unlocked at the time'.  Yet elsewhere she supposedly reported that 'the door is always locked.'  Haleigh's father supposedly reported 'there was forced entry'.  The police supposedly reported 'not finding signs of forced entry'.  There supposedly was 'a brick found on the floor'.  Another report of 'a brick found propped up against the door'. 

Also reported differently is the "17 year old" who was asleep in the same bedroom as the kids.  First reported as being Haleigh's father's girlfriend.  Elsewhere reported as being a family cousin. 

Reported is that the father came home from work at 3 am, also at 3:30 am, also at 3:34 am.  Which is it? 

Is it the young girlfriend calling Haleigh 'her baby'?  As in "I just want my baby home!"  Hmmm... What's up with that?

I realize that early reports in the media can often get jumbled up and takes a bit of time to get all the true info in a case sorted out.  The differing info is confusing!! 

Still and all, my hinky meter also goes up in just watching and listening to Haleigh's father.  Along with some other monkeys, it feels to me like there is just something not right with him. 




I am with you Wyks...they can't even get the little brother's age correct..one says 2 yrs old...others say 4.  

Just read the NG transcript from tonight...Father speaks...now we have it from the "horses' mouth"...not filtered through jumbled up media.

He does state..both he and the GF passed polys...so thank God for that.  

Seems like GF went to bed about 10-11...Haleigh was there sleeping...GF got up to go the the bathroom about 3...she wasn't there and Back door that they never use...was open.

True, lol, I thought there were two younger children, but turns out it was just the age gotten wrong.  My heart goes out to the lil bro. 

I've heard two different versions on the news today (wednesday), about the gf.  One that she was asleep when Haleigh's father got home and HE realized that his daughter was gone... And one as you said, that the gf had gotten up to use the bathroom and she's the one who realized that Haleigh was gone.

On NG, the father said that the gf woke up, found Haleigh gone and called him first, rather than 911.  Sounds like he was pulling up just as she called him and he told her to call 911.  He was very likely running thru the place looking for Haleigh. 

Wonder if we're gonna hear from the gf on NG?  It was reported that she wasn't seen today and is at home with her own family.
   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 12, 2009, 02:27:47 AM
So her blanket and sheet were near the backdoor and the ramp?? Seems that would be hard to remove without waking others who were in the bed. Were they all in the same bed?

I've heard that they were all three in the same bed, yes.  I didn't hear about the sheet being by the backdoor, heard it was her blanket and pillow.  lol  Still tho, seems bedding would be hard to remove along with Haleigh without waking someone else sleeping in the same bed.  Unless the blanket was a small fav that Haleigh slept with in her arms or something like that. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 12, 2009, 02:33:30 AM
Is it just me and my husband who would be out beatin' the bushes looking if our child was missing?  We'd be out in the dark w/night vision, on foot if we must.

Why is this boy on camera instead of looking for his daugter?

Another poor little lamb with no kind shepherd to guard her...

Foggy




From what I read, the LE had asked the family not to search (although I would have to just pizz of LE on that one myself), and the search has been scaled back......WHY??


Yes, IslandM, my DH and I would prob just tell the LE to you-know-what off  ::MonkeyNoNo::, though I can see the intelligence in their admonition. 

If its true the dogs went down to the water, I'm not hopeful.  I heard that the little one was fearful of water and the dark, yet the dogs went to the water.  If the little darlin' is in the water, the dogs (though not necessarily those dogs) can go out on the water and scent decomposition gasses.  I hate to be a doomsayer, but I think LE'll have dogs out in boats soon.  That'd be the why to your question above imho.

When was the baby last seen by her daddy?  Sorry if I've missed that detail.

So it wasn't about Caylee I was feeling so blue today. I now think it was for Miss Haleigh, but didn't want to acknowledge it.

I pray she is found safe and sound.

Foggy

Good points Foggy.  And good question, when WAS the last time Haleigh was seen by her father?  I don't remember that being asked or answered by him, tho I could have missed it too. 

My heart is heavy.  Haleigh has a beautiful smile. 

And.. the same name as my 5 yr old grand-daughter, Haylie.  Which also rhymes with Caylee.  ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mizjay on February 12, 2009, 02:35:18 AM

Another poor child lost to the cruelty of another, so sad.
The conflicting reports are making it hard to get a sure idea of facts but although the dad seems a little off, so far I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't appear that he could have done it if the timeline is correct.

Is the girlfriend a cousin?
I wonder what the feelings the exwife had about not having full custody, are there any records of domestic fights, drugs?

The sleeping in one bed deal is weird to me but the g/f is so young maybe she was a little afraid of being there by herself so she slept with the kids until he gets home.

I do think a child could be picked up out of bed without waking but it's really hard for me to think the g/f wouldn't hear or feel something, and the bedding on the back walk, that was only mentioned in one report so is it accurate?
sometimes in small communitys like a mobile home park there's a lot of visiting back and forth, wonder if g/f had some pals that she visited alot while dad was working and the kids were sleeping?

Some prayers are needed for this child, it's been too long.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 12, 2009, 03:21:24 AM

Another poor child lost to the cruelty of another, so sad.
The conflicting reports are making it hard to get a sure idea of facts but although the dad seems a little off, so far I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't appear that he could have done it if the timeline is correct.

Is the girlfriend a cousin?
I wonder what the feelings the exwife had about not having full custody, are there any records of domestic fights, drugs?

The sleeping in one bed deal is weird to me but the g/f is so young maybe she was a little afraid of being there by herself so she slept with the kids until he gets home.

I do think a child could be picked up out of bed without waking but it's really hard for me to think the g/f wouldn't hear or feel something, and the bedding on the back walk, that was only mentioned in one report so is it accurate?
sometimes in small communitys like a mobile home park there's a lot of visiting back and forth, wonder if g/f had some pals that she visited alot while dad was working and the kids were sleeping?

Some prayers are needed for this child, it's been too long.

Yes, she has been missing too long...odds are not good here.  Been praying constantly.  Something has GOT TO BE DONE ABOUT THESE CASES DAMMIT.  So tired of so many getting abused and murdered all for what? 

There was a case here yesterday that a girl threw her newborn into the lake..umbilical cord and all because she was afraid to tell her parents she was pregnant.  She thinks she felt a heartbeat.  Her parents found out somehow and marched her into the police station...hooray for them.  Too bad they didn't confront her about being pregnant and gotten that over with before she killed the baby (read where they did suspect she was).

I was thinking about a "safe haven" type of facility where you could take your children to for a "time out" if you were a parent and got "overwhelmed" and was thinking about harming them or yourself.  Maybe get some counselling...support?  Don't know if that would be feasible..how would you fund it?  What would your liabilities be?  Everything is so risky...life is too complicated nowadays.  Anyway that would be my dream if I ever hit the lottery.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 12, 2009, 03:25:43 AM
Crystal's (mother) myspace

http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Female
23 years old
macclenny, Florida
United States

Last Login: 2/11/2009

So the name is Crystal, I have three beutiful children. Haleigh 5, Ronald (aka butterbean) 3, Chloe 9 months Jan.15.. I have a wonderful family, My Mom I love you don't know what I would do with out you ur my heart. My sister Sarah I luv ya sis. Chad I luv u more that words can say!!!!!:)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 12, 2009, 03:44:37 AM
If you click on the pics at Crystal's myspace..There are some interesting comments under some of the pics.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 12, 2009, 06:43:52 AM
I do not want to jump to any conclusions about any family members or the GF.
We know way too little to think anything bad of any one in this one. I remember the Jessica Lunsford one. Too many same things, trailer park, broken family, Dad gone from house, no one heard a damn thing. Surrounded by registered sex offenders. Ugh.

I hear what you are saying. I listened to the 911..back door always locked, yet no sign of forced entry. Maybe the 17 yr old went out for a smoke and forgot to lock it and was afraid to tell her BF. The dads interview was odd, lots of crying but no tears, looking away ( I never saw him look right at the camera) and lots of threats against the perp. I don't know, I am not a man but he either is just very immature or guilty.
 I bet if everyone knew how many registered sex offenders lived near them there would be a bigger push for making the moon an inhabitable gated community. Sex offenders are not only molesters but those who have had sex with a minor, therefore an 18 year old who has consensual sex with a 15 yr old and gets caught can be classified as such. In this case a 24 yr old man has a live in 17 yr old GF, charges could be filed and he would attain such status too.

No charges could be filed as the legal age of consent in Fl (someone correct me if I am wrong!) is 16. So the day of your 16th birthday it is no longer considered statutory rape. But I do agree with the theory that there should be tiered sex offender listings. I do not think it is fair that a guy that had sex with a girlfriend is listed with the animals that rape and hurt kids. But at least with this system there is a way to know. Most would be surprised how many of these sickos live near them. And, at least in Michigan, the minors that are offenders are not listed.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2009, 07:20:33 AM
Is it just me and my husband who would be out beatin' the bushes looking if our child was missing?  We'd be out in the dark w/night vision, on foot if we must.

Why is this boy on camera instead of looking for his daugter?

Another poor little lamb with no kind shepherd to guard her...

Foggy




From what I read, the LE had asked the family not to search (although I would have to just pizz of LE on that one myself), and the search has been scaled back......WHY??

LE doesn't want the dad to search, think the reason if he finds the person who took her, he did say he will KILL the person............and I believe him...

And for scaling back the search, something doesn't sound right to me....
Did they find her??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 07:23:56 AM
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/12/news/news01.txt

Search for Haleigh Continues; probe intestifies; authorities say girl abducted

BY LARRY SULLIVAN
Published: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:46 AM EST
Palatka Daily News

SATSUMA - Authorities believe the 5-year-old Putnam County girl missing since early Tuesday was kidnapped and are trying to identify who's responsible.

Meanwhile, the search for Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings continued Wednesday.

"All the answers to why you would take a 5-year-old are ugly," Maj. Gary Bowling, a spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said during a press conference Wednesday afternoon.



The massive ground and air search launched Tuesday around the South Putnam neighborhood known as Hermits Cove, complete with roadblocks and door-to-door canvassing, changed Wednesday to a quiet-but-determined effort by local, state and federal officers.

Bowling said an intensive investigation was under way and "all the world is a suspect."

Wednesday's developments include:

� Authorities said there was no trace of Haleigh, no arrests and no suspects.

� Bloodhounds tracked Haleigh's scent from her home to the St. Johns River, but authorities don't know how recent the tracks were. Divers checked the area nearby.

� Relatives maintained a vigil not far from the command center directing the search.

� FBI agents are helping question people, including 44 registered sex offenders living within five miles of Haleigh's home.

� Volunteers may be utilized later in the week.

Haleigh was reported missing at 3:27 a.m. Tuesday by Misty Croslin, 17, girlfriend of Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, who had just gotten home from his night shift at PDM Bridge in Palatka.

The rear door of their home was propped open with a cinderblock, authorities said, and there was no sign of forced entry.

Croslin had been sleeping next to Haleigh and when she went to the restroom, the child vanished. Haleigh's 3-year-old brother was unharmed.

"She was sleeping right next to me," Croslin told the Daily News while distributing flyers bearing Haleigh's photo on Tuesday. "I can't believe I didn't hear anything."

The emergency call for help triggered a massive response. About 150 law officers worked from helicopters, all-terrain vehicles and on foot, as well as boats, into the night Tuesday.

On Wednesday, about 50 officers were involved, and the ranks of investigators were growing.

"Right now, a major focus is on the investigation," Bowling said. "We've talked to nearly everyone in the neighborhood."

Through extensive interviews, investigators are building a timeline of Haleigh's family going back 30 days in an attempt to uncover leads, Bowling said.

"The family is cooperating with us completely," Bowling said.

Haleigh's maternal grandparents and other relatives gathered Wednesday on a grassy area between the Cummings home and the sheriff's office command post. Throughout the day they met with deputies and well-wishers.

Behind them were signs expressing support. One, written on a blue sheet, urged people to pray for the young girl's safe return.

Johnny Sheffield, Haleigh's grandfather, and his ex-wife, Marie Griffis, expressed doubt in Croslin's account, saying details of her account "don't fit."

"How could somebody lift her up and move her and this girl not even wake up?" Griffis said. "It don't fit together. I don't know, it just don't work."

Sheffield said he believed his daughter's ex-husband and Croslin had dated about three to six months.

"I don't know nothing about her," he said. "Never seen her, never spoke to her."

As they spoke, their daughter, Crystal Sheffield, watched and waited inside a SUV. Griffis said her daughter was distraught over the disappearance and came to Putnam County for word.

Down the road, another group of relatives and friends waited for news.

Teresa Neves, Haleigh's paternal grandmother, said they stayed there all night Tuesday. Supporters held a candlelight vigil.

Griffis, meanwhile, urged Haleigh's abductor to release the girl.

"Just take her somewhere where the police can have access to her," she said.

Sheffield, who lives in Fruitland, said he wouldn't give up.

"I'm going to look over hell and half of Georgia until I find her," Sheffeld said.

"They're not going to get away with it. I'm going to find my baby," he added. "Somebody around here knows something."

Also Wednesday, authorities explained the blanket and bed sheets on a wooden ramp leading from the Cummings' back door. Bowling said the items had been brought out by police so tracking dogs could learn Haleigh's scent.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy on Wednesday cited assistance Putnam County was receiving from other agencies and said the cooperative effort increased the chance of "a positive outcome."

The sheriff's office also has received numerous tips, and residents have also provided food and other support, Hardy said.

"I want to thank the public for their assistance," he said.

Many volunteers have offered to help search for Haleigh, Bowling said, and they may be utilized later this week.

Johnny Sheffield, Haleigh's grandfather, praised the efforts of the sheriff's office and other agencies, describing their work as "tremendous."

"We can't say enough," Sheffield said.

lsullivan@palatkadailynews.com




OK~That explains the bed sheets, yet still so many inconsistentcies linger.......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 12, 2009, 07:26:42 AM

Another poor child lost to the cruelty of another, so sad.
The conflicting reports are making it hard to get a sure idea of facts but although the dad seems a little off, so far I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't appear that he could have done it if the timeline is correct.

Is the girlfriend a cousin?
I wonder what the feelings the exwife had about not having full custody, are there any records of domestic fights, drugs?

The sleeping in one bed deal is weird to me but the g/f is so young maybe she was a little afraid of being there by herself so she slept with the kids until he gets home.

I do think a child could be picked up out of bed without waking but it's really hard for me to think the g/f wouldn't hear or feel something, and the bedding on the back walk, that was only mentioned in one report so is it accurate?
sometimes in small communitys like a mobile home park there's a lot of visiting back and forth, wonder if g/f had some pals that she visited alot while dad was working and the kids were sleeping?

Some prayers are needed for this child, it's been too long.

I find the same bed thing strange also but lots of people do not. I am always amazed when lots of us landlords find that the tenants have several kids but do not use any of the bedrooms. They all sleep in the living room as a group. We currently have one family renting an efficiency with three kids and they think it is great.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 07:27:38 AM
Is it just me and my husband who would be out beatin' the bushes looking if our child was missing?  We'd be out in the dark w/night vision, on foot if we must.

Why is this boy on camera instead of looking for his daugter?

Another poor little lamb with no kind shepherd to guard her...

Foggy




From what I read, the LE had asked the family not to search (although I would have to just pizz of LE on that one myself), and the search has been scaled back......WHY??

LE doesn't want the dad to search, think the reason if he finds the person who took her, he did say he will KILL the person............and I believe him...

And for scaling back the search, something doesn't sound right to me....
Did they find her??

It's not just the dad they asked not to search, it's grandparents and other family etc. I don't understand the search being cut back except that they seemed to be concentrating heavily on the water yesterday and they asked TES to come in.......so, maybe they want to use Tim's sonar and know theat your everday volunteer isn't capable of searching water~that's my best guess and only a guess ::MonkeyNoNo:: So sad, I also understand the GF has had a second interview yesterday.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 12, 2009, 07:33:07 AM
Did anyone see one of the grandfather's on TV last night?  I thought on one of the news reports that the grandfather spoke.  Did I dream this?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 07:36:55 AM
Did anyone see one of the grandfather's on TV last night?  I thought on one of the news reports that the grandfather spoke.  Did I dream this?

No, I saw it too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 12, 2009, 08:31:07 AM
Did anyone see one of the grandfather's on TV last night?  I thought on one of the news reports that the grandfather spoke.  Did I dream this?

No, I saw it too.
Did you get the feeling that the person speaking was asking someone particular to return Haleigh?  I only got part but that was my impression.  Wish I would have seen from beginning. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 12, 2009, 08:37:25 AM
NANCY GRACE February 11, 2009

 (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html)
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This pastor and these friends and family are afraid this is just the beginning, praying it`s not, but preparing for if it is. Haleigh`s dad, Ronald Cummings, says he was working the night shift early this morning and came home around 3:00 AM to this house on Green (ph) Lane in the Hermit`s (ph) Cove area of Satsuma. He tell us the back door was open and Haleigh was missing from her bed, so he called 911.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Haleigh was sleeping in the bedroom with her 2- year-old brother and her dad`s 17-year-old girlfriend, who says she didn`t wake up or hear anything.

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CUMMINGS: And I pulled into the yard, and my girlfriend opened the front door, and I already knew something was wrong because she`s not up at this time. She told me -- I said, What are you doing up at this time? She said, Your back door`s wide open and your daughter`s gone.

GRACE: What is her description -- what scenario took place?

CUMMINGS: She got out of bed and went to use the restroom and came back to find that my daughter was not in bed with her.

GRACE: OK, what time did...

CUMMINGS: And the back door was wide open and she was -- and she was gone.

GRACE: Ronald, what time did she put Haleigh to bed?

CUMMINGS: She puts them to bed every night at 8:00 o`clock.

GRACE: At 8:00 o`clock. When she put...

CUMMINGS: And...

GRACE: When she put her to bed at 8:00 o`clock, did she also put to bed the little 4-year-old boy?

CUMMINGS: Yes, she did.

GRACE: OK. What time did she go to bed?

CUMMINGS: Approximately 10:30, 11:00.

GRACE: At 10:30, 11:00. At that time, was little Haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

GRACE: And they all slept together in the same bed, correct?

CASAREZ: Yes.

GRACE: So sometime between 11:00 PM and 3:30 AM, Haleigh goes missing. Now, did she call 911?

CUMMINGS: No, she did not, not until after I was there. She tried to call me, but I was pulling in the driveway. So I asked her how come she was trying to call me, she needed to call 911. So she immediately called them then.

GRACE: And where does the biological mother live, Ronald? Ronald, where does the mom live? OK, I think somehow -- I think I`ve lost his connection. Liz, see if you can bring Ronald back up. Ronald, where does the mother...

CUMMINGS: I got you. I got you.

GRACE: OK. Good. Everyone, Ronald Cummings is joining us there at the command center in Satsuma, Florida. Mr. Cummings, where does Haleigh`s mother live?

CUMMINGS: In Baker County, in Glenn St. Mary (ph).

GRACE: What is that, about 150 miles away?

CUMMINGS: I would say approximately 90 to 100.

GRACE: Now, have you and your girlfriend both taken a polygraph, right?

CUMMINGS: Yes, I have. Passed it with flying colors. Yes, she has. Passed hers.

GRACE: And you volunteered to do that and you`ve been cooperating with police, right?

CUMMINGS: Yes. Why not? I don`t have anything to hide. I just want my daughter back. Anything that`s going to help them eliminate more people, that`s the best thing.

GRACE: Exactly. Mr. Cummings, you said the door was propped open. Describe to me what you saw when you got home.

CUMMINGS: I came in the house and immediately checked all the bedrooms, the bathroom, everywhere, just to be sure, and walked to the back door, it was wide open. As I walked out the back door, the screen door was propped open with a cinderblock.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Red on February 12, 2009, 08:42:11 AM
Police Treating Disappearance of Missing Haleigh Cummings as an Abduction … Texas EquuSearch to Help in Search Efforts

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/02/12/police-treating-disappearance-of-missing-haleigh-cummings-as-an-abduction-texas-equusearch-to-help-in-search-efforts/

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I received a phone call last night from Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch that he was in Florida at the request of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office to help search for missing Haleigh Cummings


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mioyshi on February 12, 2009, 09:10:35 AM
Police Treating Disappearance of Missing Haleigh Cummings as an Abduction … Texas EquuSearch to Help in Search Efforts

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/02/12/police-treating-disappearance-of-missing-haleigh-cummings-as-an-abduction-texas-equusearch-to-help-in-search-efforts/

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I received a phone call last night from Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch that he was in Florida at the request of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office to help search for missing Haleigh Cummings

just another tragedy here... I heard the le does not want any volunters yet. This is not too far for us to drive to help search, when they want help;  Maybe tim will find her soon, near that water .


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Sassycat on February 12, 2009, 09:16:28 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491368,00.html

ON THE RECORD, Feb 11, 2009

VAN SUSTEREN: Since that 911 call, a massive search has fanned out, looking for the toddler by land, by water and door to door, but no results. Joining us by phone is Putnam County sheriff Jeff Hardy. Good evening, Sheriff. And last night, or at least some point after that 911 call was received and sheriffs reported to the home, I understand some tracks were seen, sir?

SHERIFF JEFF HARDY, PUTNAM COUNTY: Greta, are you talking about the bloodhounds and a little bit of the tracking? Is that what you're referring to?

VAN SUSTEREN: Yes, and there was also apparently a footprint in the dirt. I don't know if that was a recent print or whether that was an old one. But what can you tell me about efforts to at least search to see whether or not you can determine where the child may have gone?

HARDY: Greta, we called in a team of bloodhounds, and they -- several different bloodhound units. And they came out. And I'm sure you know these bloodhounds, their noses are very sensitive, and they did follow some tracking, but we don't know exactly how old the tracks could have been. And as far as the footprint that you're talking about, that's news to me. I don't know of any footprint at this point.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. I think what it was, was some sort of -- at least, there was one report there was some -- some sort of footprint or step in the dirt that might have been the child's, and nothing more. But we're hearing lots of different information. And obviously, Sheriff, you're the one on the story, so I'll defer to you on that. All right, in terms of the child missing, have there been any tips that the child has been spotted in the last 24 hours?

HARDY: No, ma'am, we don't have any tips, but we are following up on all leads that we're receiving. In fact, we're in the middle of conducting several interviews as we speak right now, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: One of -- the person who first reported the child missing was the girlfriend to the father. Her name is Misty. She was -- she apparently had gone -- she had last seen the child about 10:00 PM the night before and that the child was sleeping in the same bed with her? Is that correct?

HARDY: That's what she's telling us, Greta, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was any -- was the -- was there another child in the bed, as well? Because I know there's another child in the home.

HARDY: No, there was a brother in the home, a younger brother.

VAN SUSTEREN: But he wasn't in the same bed with the girlfriend and the missing child?

HARDY: No, ma'am. He was -- I believe he was in another room, another bed or another -- another bedding area. I don't believe he was on the same bed, no.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So according to least what I hear, and correct me if I'm wrong, she wakes up or something about 3:00 o'clock, notices the child missing, but a phone call is not made for 27 minutes to 911. Is that correct?

HARDY: Well, I can verify the fact that our 911 call did come in at 3:27 AM. As far as exactly the timeline of when she woke up and discovered the child missing, I don't know. She's saying it is some time after 3:00.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is the girlfriend a person of interest to you at this point?

HARDY: Greta, we're not ruling out anybody. You know, we have teams of law enforcement officers out here right now. We've continued our grounds searches by air and by water. We still have dive teams. We had them out here today. Again, the FBI's out here assisting us with other -- just numerous local and state officials and officers from across northeast Florida. So we're not ruling anybody out at this point.

VAN SUSTEREN: Sheriff, thank you, sir. And good luck, sir.

HARDY: And thank you for your time.

VAN SUSTEREN: Joining us live from Florida, Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, and the toddler's grandmother, Marie Griffis. Crystal, I know you that you're terrible distressed and worried this evening. Do you -- is there any likelihood in your mind that this child simply just got up and walked off?

CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, MOTHER: No, there is not. She would not do that.

VAN SUSTEREN: Crystal, when was the last time you saw your daughter?

SHEFFIELD: Two weeks ago.

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you spoken to her in the last two weeks?

SHEFFIELD: No, I have not.

VAN SUSTEREN: When you saw her, did she indicate or say to you anything to suggest there were problems in the home? I know that she's living with her father, or staying with her father and her father's girlfriend. Did she say there were any problems in the home?

SHEFFIELD: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, when was the last time that you saw your grandchild?

MARIE GRIFFIS, GRANDMOTHER: It was two weeks ago when they got their visitation to come stay with us (INAUDIBLE) We pick them up Friday night 6:00 o'clock and we return them Sunday at 6:00 o'clock.

VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, do you live in the area or do you live out of state?

GRIFFIS: We live in Florida, but it's Baker County, Glenn St. Mary (ph), Florida. We live about an hour and 45 minutes from here.

VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, do you know of any problems in that home?

GRIFFIS: In the past, Haleigh and Junior have told us that, you know, they've been hit and stuff like that, but up to this point, everything was fine.

VAN SUSTEREN: Crystal, have you spoken to the father of your child or his girlfriend in the last 24 hours?

SHEFFIELD: I spoke to him yesterday. I have not spoken to his girlfriend.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

SHEFFIELD: He just said that -- he told me he was sorry and that if he would have been home from work that it would have never happened.

VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, what do you think has happened? I know that there are a lot of theories, a lot of sex offenders in the area. What are you sort of -- you know, where is your suspicion tonight, Marie?

GRIFFIS: My suspicions is why is it two children was in the bed with this 17-year-old girl, and somebody comes into the home and picks a child up that's laying right next to you and you don't know where she went. You get up and go to the bathroom and come back and she's not there. Well, was she there when she got up and went to the bathroom? Why don't we have that information? What happened? It don't take but 15, 20 seconds to go to the bathroom, and it's right there in the bedroom, also. So I wonder what role Misty plays in this.

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever met her, Marie?

GRIFFIS: I have never officially been introduced to her. I saw her in Ronald's car one weekend when we took Haleigh and Junior back to their dad on a Sunday, and she was sitting in the car. And I don't know who she is, never spoke to her. All I know is Haleigh and Junior told me that they liked her, that she was nice to them.

GRIFFIS: Crystal, do you know the girlfriend at all? I mean, have you ever, like, had any conversations with her in any depth? Do you know what kind of person she is, anything about her?

SHEFFIELD: No, I don't. I've talked to her. She seemed like a really nice person, but I've never sat down and had a conversation with her. And the kids told me that...

VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, I don't mean to...

SHEFFIELD: ... They loved her.

VAN SUSTEREN: How long, Crystal, has she been in the children's lives?

SHEFFIELD: Probably four to six months? I'm not really sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, I don't want to -- you know, because I'm asking questions about the girlfriend (INAUDIBLE) you know, think that she's the only person I'm curious about. I mean, obviously, everybody -- we're curious about everybody tonight. Do you know anything, Marie, about any neighbors at all, people who live nearby that have shown any particular interest to this child at all, Marie, do you know?

GRIFFIS: The only thing we know about any neighbors is there were some kids that lived next door that Haleigh and Junior played with, and they were seen out playing in the yard around 5:00 o'clock yesterday -- or Monday evening. I guess it was Monday evening. I can't even remember anymore. The days are just running together now.

VAN SUSTEREN: Crystal, the father of your child was at work when, apparently, Haleigh disappeared. What kind of work does he do, Crystal?

SHEFFIELD: I'm not sure. All I know is he runs a crane.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know, Marie, why he was out until 3:00 o'clock in the morning? I mean, what kind of work would have him out that late, or that early, depending on how you characterize it?

GRIFFIS: He -- we was ere told he worked from 3:00 to 3:00, so I supposed it's a 12-hour shift. And he's a crane operator working for a place called PDM Bridge (ph).

VAN SUSTEREN: Do either of you know if the girlfriend has a job or does any kind of work at all?

SHEFFIELD: No.

GRIFFIS: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Crystal, Marie, thank you both very much. And you know, I certainly hope we can find this child. And there's so much publicity being cast on it that maybe someone knows something and will call in maybe we'll have good news on this soon. Thank you both.

SHEFFIELD: Thank you.

GRIFFIS: Yes, thank you very much, too.

VAN SUSTEREN: Up next, more breaking news coverage on the search for little Haleigh. The toddler's father will be here to go "On the Record."

Plus: Do you like pork? Not to eat, but as part of the massive stimulus bill. Well, guess what? A powerful senator says you don't care about pork. What? Is that true? Or is he drinking? We'll see.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: We continue our breaking news coverage on the disappearance of little Haleigh Cummings. She was reported missing 3:30 AM yesterday morning. Now, here's what we know, is that the father's girlfriend apparently last saw the child about 10:00 PM on Monday night when she went to bed and the child was in the same bed. About 3:00 o'clock in the morning, the girlfriend says that she got up to go to the bathroom, noticed the child was missing. About 27 minutes later, at 3:27 AM, the father in the meantime had come home from work, according to the parents -- according -- has -- was at work and he called 911, and the child has been missing -- or reported missing at that time.

Now, Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, joins us live, along with Crystal Cummings, Ronald's sister. Good evening to both of you. And Ronald, I know how distressed you are because everyone has told me. And the only thing I can hope is that we can at least shed more light on it and get more information so that people call in with tips.

So let me -- let's -- let me try to ask you some questions about it. What time did you arrive home, Ronald, on Tuesday morning?

RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER: Approximately 3:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: And when you walked in the door -- take me through every step. You walked in the door. Was your girlfriend up at that point?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Yes. I never walked through the door. I pulled in the yard. She -- the door was open. She was standing there and waiting on me. I asked her what she was still doing up, and she then told me that the back -- she got up to use the restroom, and the back door was wide open and that my daughter was missing.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was the child -- was your daughter missing when she got up to use the restroom, or between the time she got up to use the restroom and returned to bed? Did she tell you that?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I'm not sure. I never asked.

VAN SUSTEREN: Crystal, when was the last time...

RONALD CUMMINGS: I'm just worried about where she's at.

VAN SUSTEREN: No, I understand that. Crystal, when was the last time you saw this child?

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS, AUNT: A couple weeks ago.

VAN SUSTEREN: Crystal, have you ever noticed the child wanting to wander off or any people wanting -- in the neighborhood, unusual people paying close attention to her that you thought was peculiar?

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS: No. She wouldn't wander off.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ronald, do you agree that she would not just wander off?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely. I know my daughter like the back of my hand. I've raised her since the day she was 2 years old by myself. I know for a fact she would not wander off alone during in the daylight, much less at night. She's afraid of the dark.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ronald, has anyone ever wandered into your home, any strangers into your home?

RONALD CUMMINGS: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ronald, always in every investigation, the person that people focus on are the people who last saw the child, so obviously, your girlfriend has got -- you know, there's a lot of focus on her. Is there any reason that you have any suspicion that your girlfriend knows more than she's saying, Ronald?

RONALD CUMMINGS: No, there is not. And I would like for a lot of the false allegations to be discarded. There's been a lot of false allegations made by the mother and her mother. And I just don't -- I don't appreciate it. It's not a custody battle. This here is about finding a 5-year-old missing child, my daughter.

VAN SUSTEREN: It's unusual for a father to have custody. Why do you -- did you win custody in a battle for this child?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely, I did.

VAN SUSTEREN: What happened? Explain -- explain -- you know -- you know, usually, the mother gets the custody. Why did the court give you custody of your child?

RONALD CUMMINGS: The only way I can honestly answer you that without being rude to others is they chose the better parent and the one who could provide better for the two children.

VAN SUSTEREN: Crystal, what's your -- what's your -- what do you think in your heart and your mind tonight as to where this child is and what happened? What makes the most sense to you?

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS: I don't -- really can't tell you what happened to her. I mean, I think someone took her. I just want them to bring her back.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ronald, let me ask you the same question. What's your theory tonight? And I realize this is a very fluid situation, but what's your -- what do you think is the trail we should go down to look for this child? What do you think happened?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Somebody broke into my house and stole my daughter. I know because I specifically locked those doors before I left for work, and my child cannot unlock the deadbolt on that door because I have got the hole cut in a specific place where you have to force the door shut to get it to lock all the way. And I know it was locked all the way. I checked it myself. And she does not open the door for strangers or wander alone in the dark, nothing like that. So somebody broke into my home and stole my child.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was the door broken when you came home? Was that lock broken when you came home?

RONALD CUMMINGS: No. Obviously, a crowbar or something was used. I'm not sure. You'll have to speak more with the detectives about what was used or how it was done. I'm not sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ronald, Crystal, thank you both very much, and I very much hope that we're going to have good news and that child will be found, your daughter, Ronald, very soon and in good health. Thank you both.

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS: Thank you.

RONALD CUMMINGS: Yes, thank you.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2009, 09:21:35 AM
Is it just me and my husband who would be out beatin' the bushes looking if our child was missing?  We'd be out in the dark w/night vision, on foot if we must.

Why is this boy on camera instead of looking for his daugter?

Another poor little lamb with no kind shepherd to guard her...

Foggy




From what I read, the LE had asked the family not to search (although I would have to just pizz of LE on that one myself), and the search has been scaled back......WHY??

LE doesn't want the dad to search, think the reason if he finds the person who took her, he did say he will KILL the person............and I believe him...

And for scaling back the search, something doesn't sound right to me....
Did they find her??

It's not just the dad they asked not to search, it's grandparents and other family etc. I don't understand the search being cut back except that they seemed to be concentrating heavily on the water yesterday and they asked TES to come in.......so, maybe they want to use Tim's sonar and know theat your everday volunteer isn't capable of searching water~that's my best guess and only a guess ::MonkeyNoNo:: So sad, I also understand the GF has had a second interview yesterday.

Hope the gf, wasn't into drugs.
Do we know yet if she passed the poly and did they give her a drug test?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mariloo on February 12, 2009, 09:26:36 AM
I am sorry but this whole scenario stinks to high heaven.  Wonder if the GF left for awhile and left the door unlocked because she may not have had a key to get back in.  Just a theory.  With as many sex offenders around there; you know they are always looking and aware of what is going on that may interest them.  That is just one thought that came to mind.  I don't believe someone could come into the tlr and take a child that old without any noise of anykind.  If so, the GF must have fallen asleep in the BR.  Maybe something happened and she is afraid to tell the father.
Another idea is we do not know exactly when she was last seen.  This may be a concocted story between the father and GF.  My mind is just rambling and true I don't trust anyone at this moment.  This is just sickening.  I pray to GOD for HIS  will to be done and peace of mind and heart but the human side of me is very angry over the loss of a child.  Like the others stated befor me, I would be looking.  There is no way I could sit idly by.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2009, 10:03:58 AM
http://www.wesh.com/news/18697602/detail.html

Vigils Held For Missing Putnam Co. Girl
Searchers To Focus On Canal On Thursday

POSTED: 6:52 am EST February 12, 2009
UPDATED: 7:36 am EST February 12, 2009


SATSUMA, Fla. -- The search for a missing Putnam County girl will resume on Thursday.


Haleigh Cummings, 5, disappeared from her home in Satsuma early Tuesday morning.

Law enforcement agencies from across the state joined the FBI on Wednesday to search for the girl.

The community gathered Wednesday night for a pair of candlelight vigils in Haleigh's honor.

The girl's parents are separated, so both held their own vigil. Her mother and grandmother said they won't give up hope.

"I don't know where she is or who has her. I just want her home," mother Crystal Sheffield said.

"Haleigh is living and breathing. I don't feel there's anything that's happened to her bad," grandmother Marie Griffiths said.

Investigators said the case is being considered an abduction.

Searchers will focus on a canal behind Haleigh's home on Thursday.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 12, 2009, 10:11:55 AM

48 hours pass with no sign of missing girl
Channel 4 was told that that Croslin was interviewed for a second time at midday Wednesday, but authorities said Croslin -- and everyone connected with the family -- was cooperating with authorities.




"Ronald told the judge Haleigh has Turner Syndrome and needs hormone treatments by an endocrinologist. He said Sheffield frequently failed to take Haleigh to her doctors appointments"

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx?rss=10


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 12, 2009, 10:13:33 AM
48 hours pass with no sign of missing girl
Channel 4 was told that that Croslin was interviewed for a second time at midday Wednesday, but authorities said Croslin -- and everyone connected with the family -- was cooperating with authorities

.http://www.news4jax.com/news/18695730/detail.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 10:16:51 AM

48 hours pass with no sign of missing girl
Channel 4 was told that that Croslin was interviewed for a second time at midday Wednesday, but authorities said Croslin -- and everyone connected with the family -- was cooperating with authorities.

"Ronald told the judge Haleigh has Turner Syndrome and needs hormone treatments by an endocrinologist. He said Sheffield frequently failed to take Haleigh to her doctors appointments"

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx?rss=10


Turner syndrome (TS) is a medical disorder that affects about 1 in every 2,500 girls. Although researchers don't know exactly what causes Turner syndrome, they do know that it's the result of a problem with a girl's chromosomes (pronounced: krow-muh-soamz).

Most girls are born with two X chromosomes, but girls with Turner syndrome are born with only one X chromosome or they are missing part of one X chromosome. The effects of the condition vary widely among girls with Turner syndrome. It all depends on how many of the body's cells are affected by the changes to the X chromosome.

Girls with Turner syndrome are usually short in height. Girls with Turner syndrome who aren't treated for short stature reach an average height of about 4 feet 7 inches (1.4 meters). The good news is that when Turner syndrome is diagnosed while a girl is still growing, she can be treated with growth hormones to help her grow taller.

In addition to growth problems, Turner syndrome prevents the ovaries from developing properly, which affects a girl's sexual development and the ability to have children. Because the ovaries are responsible for making the hormones that control breast growth and menstruation, most girls with Turner syndrome will not go through all of the changes associated with puberty unless they get treatment for the condition. Nearly all girls with Turner syndrome will be infertile, or unable to become pregnant on their own.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/diseases_conditions/sexual_health/turner.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 12, 2009, 10:19:31 AM
A series of reports
http://twitter.com/GSReporters


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2009, 10:45:15 AM
Was a short presser on fox, Tim was interviewed that's it....... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2009, 10:46:38 AM
Was a short presser on fox, Tim was interviewed that's it....... ::MonkeyShocked::

Btw, he will start searching later today or tomorrow......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Mere on February 12, 2009, 10:54:52 AM
Was a short presser on fox, Tim was interviewed that's it....... ::MonkeyShocked::

Btw, he will start searching later today or tomorrow......

Thank you...missed the interview....did Tim need volunteers?

I was reading more about Turner Syndrome.  This is another
article which is from the Turner Syndrome Organization....
http://www.turnersyndrome.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=57


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090212/ARTICLES/902121020/1002?Title=Police__Girl_probably_abducted

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/prayhaleigh.jpg)

Police: Girl probably abducted

By Christopher Curry & Lise Fisher
Staff writers


Published: Thursday, February 12, 2009 at 6:01 a.m.


PALATKA - Absent any sign of a missing south Putnam County girl, investigators called her disappearance an abduction on Wednesday, two days after she was last seen at her father's home.

With no evidence of Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings near her residence in Satsuma, there is no longer any reason to believe the child wandered away, Putnam County Sheriff's Office Maj. Gary Bowling said Wednesday afternoon.

"We just don't believe that the child is here, so we assume abduction," Bowling said.

About 150 officers and 20 law enforcement agencies have been searching for the child, whom family members said was last seen at about 10 p.m. Monday in a bedroom at her father's home in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma, which is about 10 miles south of Palatka.

The man's girlfriend said she woke up about 3 a.m. and discovered the child was gone. A rear door at the double-wide mobile home was ajar, but authorities could not say if it had previously been locked.

During a 911 call made from the home, the girlfriend reported that the door always stayed locked.

Scanning from the air, combing the St. Johns River about 300 yards from the residence, and hunting on the ground through woods and with bloodhounds produced no sign of the girl Wednesday. A young child like Haleigh would be afraid of walking down a dark hall by herself, Bowling told reporters. And, without any history indicating she might have wandered away, the likelihood of an abduction has become increasingly likely.

Officers also said they had no reports of a custody issue between the father and mother.

"All the world's a suspect right now," Bowling said. "We're going to treat every family member, every neighbor as a suspect until we eliminate them."

Bowling's words echoed comments from the girl's relatives and others in the community who feared she had been taken.



The child's father, Ronald Cummings, 24, broke down in tears on a neighbor's lawn Tuesday and said someone had taken his child. The girl's mother, Crystal Sheffield, 23, held a picture of her daughter and cried with him.

Cummings had been at work from late Monday night until early Tuesday. He arrived home some time after 3 a.m. to find that his girlfriend had already discovered Haleigh missing. He works at a company that makes steel girders for bridges, and relatives said it wasn't unusual for him to return home from work at that hour.

Haleigh had been at the home with her younger brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin.

The two children were in the same bedroom with Croslin when she awoke to go to the restroom shortly before Cummings got home from work and discovered the girl missing, officers reported Tuesday.

Bowling said Croslin, like others who know Haleigh or are her relatives, had been questioned by - and was cooperating with - authorities.

"She's with family," Bowling said when asked about Croslin's whereabouts. "We're just going to keep close contact with her."

Both Croslin and Cummings made frantic 911 calls early Tuesday. The Sheriff's Office released redacted copies of the calls Wednesday.

"If I find whoever has my daughter before y'all do, I'm killing them. I don't care. I'll spend the rest of my life in prison. ... I don't care," Cummings said during the call.

Earlier Wednesday, Haleigh's mother - Sheffield, of Baker County - made a desperate plea.

"I just want whoever has her to bring her home, drop her off somewhere," Sheffield said as she fought back tears. "I just don't know who could have done this. It's tearing me apart."



She said Haleigh is a "wonderful child" who acts very motherly toward her brother, Ronald Cummings Jr., who is 2.

Haleigh's maternal grandparents also made an impassioned plea for the girl's return.

Standing in Satsuma - next to a street-side banner that says "Our prayers are with you, Haleigh" - Marie Griffis and Johnny Sheffield talked with reporters.

Griffis, 43, of Baker County, said she believes the girl is alive. "She's out there somewhere. I can feel it. I can feel her presence."

"People around here know me," said Sheffield, a Putnam County resident. "If anyone around here has my granddaughter, just bring her home to me. She's my first baby from my first baby. Please bring her back. ... I'm going to look around hell and half of Georgia until I find her."

They said the family wants to join the police search for Haleigh but that law enforcement officials won't let them, out of concern that they might contaminate evidence.

Griffis described her grandchild as an outspoken, happy child.

"All we can do is hope, and we believe that she is OK," Griffis said. "If anybody knows her whereabouts just please bring her back. We love her and miss her."

The woman said she didn't believe her granddaughter just left the home.

"She's not going to get up and wander through the house and get up and go through the back door," she said. "She's not going to get up and go outside."



Griffis said she wasn't sure how her granddaughter would react to a stranger but she thought she would put up a fight.

Divers have been checking the St. Johns River. But Griffis said her granddaughter had once fallen into water in the past and she believed the child now was afraid to go near water.

Officers confirmed that a dog, searching for Haleigh's scent, had alerted to something in the direction of the water. But they stressed that could have been due to the way the wind was blowing.

Still, authorities have been paying close attention to the river and sent search teams out in that area again Wednesday.

Blankets from the home were used to provide the dogs with a scent to track, Bowling said.

Officers also were looking at a cinder block that apparently had been used to prop open the back door, according to officers. They were also gathering tips from the public. Authorities urged people to call (386) 329-0808 or 0809 if they had information about the girl.

Fliers of Haleigh and well-wishes for her safe return have gone up around the area, including on U.S 17 north toward Palatka. Her smiling picture beamed from a Burger King drive-through window while a message sending prayers to her was posted on a sign outside another roadside business.

The principal at Browning-Pearce Elementary School, where Haleigh is a kindergarten student, describes the child as "a sweet little girl, a tiny little girl, blond hair, beautiful brown eyes."

Principal Debra Lands-Buckles said Haleigh "always has that smile on her face, just like you see in the flier."

Bowling detailed other efforts to find the girl, from canvassing homes and plans to re-search some residences or get access to others that did not appear occupied to checking on the whereabouts of 44 sex offenders who live within a five-mile radius of the home.



The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the FBI were assisting in speaking or locating those individuals, some of whom live across the river on the opposite bank from the Hermit's Cove area. Bowling said some of these people have voluntarily come forward to eliminate themselves as suspects.

In interviews with family and others who know Haleigh, officers confirmed that all had been offered the chance to take a lie detector test. He didn't say who had accepted the offer.

Although the focus of the investigation is on an abduction, Bowling said volunteer groups will again be searching the area for Haleigh. Some spots that could be looked at will be areas of thick vegetation, initially thought to be too densely overgrown or difficult for a child to wander into.

Officers called off any overnight searches Wednesday but remained near the home from which Haleigh disappeared to provide security. Another update on the case was scheduled for this afternoon.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2009, 11:02:01 AM
May have already been posted:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/12/amber_alert__search_for_haleigh_continues.html

Amber Alert -- Haleigh Search Expands
Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:39:52 AM

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Putnam County investigators are getting some help with the search of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

About a dozen members of Texas EquuSearch, who spent days in Central Florida searching for Caylee Anthony, are in Putnam County to help in the search.

Josh Duckett, the father of missing Lake County toddler Trenton Duckett, is also helping in the search.

Meanwhile, bounty hunter Leonard Padilla is offering a reward of $25,000 for the safe return of Haleigh by midnight Saturday. (why by Saturday?)

For the second night in a row, family and friends held a vigil for Haleigh, who has been missing since Monday night.  Investigators still don't know if she was abducted or wandered out of her home.

Deputies said there were no signs of forced entry, but a back door was open.

On Wednesday, searchers went door to door in the area and also searched a river near the girl’s home to see if she may have somehow ended up in the water.

According to Haleigh's grandmother, she believes her granddaughter is still alive, but is no longer in the Putnam County area.

Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh’s mother, admits the girl has wandered off before and was found in a canal.

"It wasn’t like she wandered out. I mean, we were getting ready to leave. I told her father to get her and put her in the car. I had already put Junior, the baby, in the car. I went back in to get the bags and the baby's stuff. I come out, Haleigh was not in the car, and I ran straight down to the canal, and that's where she was," Sheffield said.

Authorities said until they have other evidence, they are treating this as an abduction case.

If you have seen Haleigh Cummings, call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at (386) 329-0808 or 911.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 12, 2009, 11:05:21 AM
Because of the door being opened without forced entry, I have to wonder if maybe the girlfriend went somewhere or opened it for some other reason and then either forgot to lock it or Haleigh was taken while the girlfriend was gone.   

I don't think the girlfriend or dad were involved in whatever happened to her - only because of the supposed lie detector results, though.  If they didn't actually pass the lie detectors, then my opinion will be wildly different.  The fact that they volunteered to take them is a good sign, though.

I hope she's found soon - and safe.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2009, 11:08:37 AM
Was a short presser on fox, Tim was interviewed that's it....... ::MonkeyShocked::

Btw, he will start searching later today or tomorrow......

Thank you...missed the interview....did Tim need volunteers?

I was reading more about Turner Syndrome.  This is another
article which is from the Turner Syndrome Organization....
http://www.turnersyndrome.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=57

Looking for ppl with 4wheelers/horses/walkers too...
I didn't get a phone number, but if your in that area call the police department or go on Tim's homepage...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 12, 2009, 11:15:54 AM
Just something that nags at me, the dad just keeps saying that the child has been taken, I'm wondering if there has been threats or something that he would keep saying that? The dad makes me uncomfortable, I do hope and pray Haleigh is safe, but my thoughts are she isn't. ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 12, 2009, 11:22:16 AM
I am not sure about the dad - He did look hinky on the interview but with no sleep before he came home and then I am sure not much sleep since, I may look a little off too. Did anyone hear how old the dad is?  He looked young but I did not get his age. And why in the world would any parent let a 17 year old spend the night at her boyfriends house?  I can only imagine what my parents would do if I had suggested that. And I know my 16 year old will not be spending the night at any future girlfriends house!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 12, 2009, 11:23:11 AM
How many canals are in that area? Lakes? I fear even with Tim Miller's expertise that the amount of ground water in some of the areas of FL will be a mammoth undertaking to search through, plus require specialized divers.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2009, 11:26:38 AM
How many canals are in that area? Lakes? I fear even with Tim Miller's expertise that the amount of ground water in some of the areas of FL will be a mammoth undertaking to search through, plus require specialized divers.



Nonesuche - it's pretty scary looking at the amount of wooded area and water in the vicinity:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/haleighArea.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2009, 11:36:45 AM
How many canals are in that area? Lakes? I fear even with Tim Miller's expertise that the amount of ground water in some of the areas of FL will be a mammoth undertaking to search through, plus require specialized divers.



Nonesuche - it's pretty scary looking at the amount of wooded area and water in the vicinity:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/haleighArea.jpg)

It's overwhelming just looking at it... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 11:43:27 AM
http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/02/12/Sheriff-A-lot-of/1234455366.html

This has a great presser

24 min 27 sec ago
Sheriff: 'A lot of misinformation' in search for Haleigh Cummings

 Play video
 

(NECN: Satsuma, FL) - "We are now at right over 50 hours in our search and we have still not been able to locate Haleigh," this morning said Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy.

"We've stretched out to at least a five mile area," said Hardy. "We'll expand the investigation as far as it needs to go."

Investigators are treating the disappearance of five-year-old Haleigh Cummings as an abduction. She was reported missing when her father, Ronald Cummings, returned home from work early Tuesday. His 17-year-old girlfriend said she had woken up and discovered the child was missing. Haleigh was last seen Monday night in her father's mobile home in Satsuma. The rural community along the St. Johns River is about 70 miles north of Orlando.

Investigators also are interviewing the 44 sex offenders living within five miles of Ronald Cummings' home.

"There is a lot of misinformation going on around here," said Hardy.





I missed some of this and need to watch again, but he states that GF's polygraph results are back, but he is not here to give any results.

Evidence is at lab that was collected.

Bloodhounds followed scent trails, but no timline of events based on this info.

Other child is 3 and going to be 4 this weekend.







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 11:46:20 AM
I am not sure about the dad - He did look hinky on the interview but with no sleep before he came home and then I am sure not much sleep since, I may look a little off too. Did anyone hear how old the dad is?  He looked young but I did not get his age. And why in the world would any parent let a 17 year old spend the night at her boyfriends house?  I can only imagine what my parents would do if I had suggested that. And I know my 16 year old will not be spending the night at any future girlfriends house!

IIRC~dad is 24 yrs old.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2009, 12:25:52 PM
klaasend, what google map are you using?
I go to google and get a different one...
They live off of green st, which is only 2 blocks.
Can you put that in your search and maybe get a closer shot of that block?
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 12:26:46 PM
http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/02/12/Sheriff-A-lot-of/1234455366.html


Tim's Presser with NECN


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2009, 12:38:45 PM
klaasend, what google map are you using?
I go to google and get a different one...
They live off of green st, which is only 2 blocks.
Can you put that in your search and maybe get a closer shot of that block?
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWink::

I used Mapquest.  I'll do another map.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 12, 2009, 12:44:17 PM
I am wondering about the girlfriend. If she took the poly and passed why would they not release that? They came right out and said that Dad passed.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2009, 12:48:16 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/greenlane.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2009, 01:05:09 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/greenlane.jpg)

Thank you........ :smt054 :smt038 :smt060
Mapquest, I'll try it the next time.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 12, 2009, 01:05:53 PM
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-12/story/girlfriend_explains_more_of_what_she_knows_about_missing_haleigh

Girlfriend explains more about missing Haleigh
"I don't care what people are saying about me because I didn't do it."
By Dana Treen Story updated at 12:47 PM on Thursday, Feb. 12, 2009

SATSUMA – The 17-year-old girlfriend of a Putnam County man whose 5-year-old daughter has been the focus on an intense three-day search has taken lie-detector tests and passed as far as she and her boyfriend know.

I took two of them,” Misty Croslin said this morning down the street from where Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings vanished late Monday or early Tuesday. Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, 25, said he also was tested and believes both he and his girlfriend passed.

We have all offered to take lie detectors,” Cummings said of his family, who is staying nights mostly huddled beneath a canopy near the Green Lane mobile home that is still roped off by investigators. He said he is willing to do what is needed.

“If you need to draw blood, draw blood,” he said.

His girlfriend also has been under a lot of scrutiny for being the last one to see her.

"I don't care what people are saying about me because I didn't do it," Croslin said.

Croslin said she had little to tell investigators about what happened Monday night. Because Tuesday was a school day, she put the kindergartner to bed about 8:15 p.m.

and crawled into the same bed about two hours later.

Cummings' other son, 3-year-old Ronald Cummings Jr., was in the same bed.

Croslin said she did not hear anything or notice anything amiss until she got up around 3 a.m.

“When I went to sleep she was there,” she said. “When I woke up she was gone.”

She said taking the polygraph under such stress was difficult.

“I was so shook up that night, I kept moving,” she said. “I couldn’t stay still. I was crying.”

A little more than 50 hours into the search, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said efforts are expanding to include horseback searches of the palmetto scrub and pine

woods across the south Putnam community.

He said Croslin had taken a polygraph but would not discuss outcomes of any of the tests.

“Misty has been interviewed extensively,” he said. He said neighbors in the area have been helpful and that family has been “extremely cooperative.”

Croslin said a pair of her nephews who are about Haleigh’s age were at the couple’s place about 5 p.m. Monday.

Cummings, who was at work and arriving home just as Haleigh was discovered missing when Croslin woke up to go to the bathroom, said he has no idea who might try to

take his daughter.

He said he tends to stay to himself.

“I don’t make friends, I don’t make enemies,” he said.

Hardy said efforts today include more searches from the air and on water. Texas EquuSearch, a group specializing in horseback searches also arrived and is setting up to

begin mapping out the scrub.

“We’ll expand this investigation as far as it needs to go,” Hardy said. “We worked late into last night interviewing people.”

Hardy said items have been sent for lab analysis but would not say what those were.

He said no favorite toys or other items of Haleigh’s appears to be missing from the mobile home off Buffalo Bluff Road.

“The best-case scenario is that we find this child alive and well,” he said.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 12, 2009, 01:28:53 PM
I am wondering about the girlfriend. If she took the poly and passed why would they not release that? They came right out and said that Dad passed.  ::MonkeyEek::

I pray this child gets returned safely, although it doesnt look good.  I thank Lenny for offering the reward & hoping to force someone with knowledge to do it by a deadline as well as reports that he has joined the search.  I thank Tim Miller & his team for yet once again getting their boots on the ground.

I believe the father, Im have a bit of concern about his young girlfriend.   Im not sure if it a direct harm situation but something gives me the gut instinct that this 17 yr old left the home for a bit for God knows what, leaving the door open & from there one of the local peds entered the home & took Haleigh.   Her explanation of the brick keeping the door open is suspicious  


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 12, 2009, 01:46:45 PM
Poor Little girl, somethings very wrong here, if this child had just wondered away she would have been found by now, Someone done something to this child, and I think its someone that is close to her and knew the Father wasnt home or its one of the 2 that last saw her, I know Satuma very well, Im praying for Haleigh, may God Bless her!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 12, 2009, 01:48:52 PM
How many canals are in that area? Lakes? I fear even with Tim Miller's expertise that the amount of ground water in some of the areas of FL will be a mammoth undertaking to search through, plus require specialized divers.



Nonesuche - it's pretty scary looking at the amount of wooded area and water in the vicinity:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/haleighArea.jpg)

I agree Klaas, plus the eastern northern area of FL has so many small back roads, etc that have acres of lowlands with brush......this will be a very tough search for even experts like TES.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2009, 02:00:03 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/greenlane.jpg)

Thank you........ :smt054 :smt038 :smt060
Mapquest, I'll try it the next time.


The one above is from maps.live , sorry for the confusion.  Most of the maps are pretty good, the first one I did in Mapquest was more of a larger view of the whole area.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 02:12:27 PM
Just some of my thoughts, this young father is very distraught to me, probably worried sick if he watches the news and is a little aware of the evil in some people.  I've seen a couple at the beach where I live have a toddler vanish and I can still to this day remember the gut wrenching sight of the mother running around yelling her name and than 10 minutes later collapsing on the sand in sobs.(Toddler was found fine wondering the parking lot full of RV's where anyone could have snatched her)  But her parents were so distraught and frantic, yelling, crying, exhibiting to me all the behaviors I've seen on this father.  Later interview he looked as though someone had finally given him a chill pill to speak a little more calmly.  Also the interview w/I assume the grandfather he also appears to look down to answer questions, could be a family or hearing issue, like he needs to look down to hear the questions asked on the device placed in his ear?  He appears legit to me, so far.

The girlfriend is suspect to me also, maybe they are not releasing the poly cause she is a minor?  I don't know the law down there.  But I also suspect she either stepped out or slept else where when she was supposed to be sleeping w/the children?  I read in one article that the bathroom she was supposedly using was in the actual bedroom and with sleeping children why not leave the door open, I don't know.

I also can say that I have picked up many sleeping children up to the age of 7 and never had a problem carrying them to a different room and putting them in bed without them waking all the way up, most kids I've observed this age sleep like a rock, they might nod awake than with a few simple words or whatever they are back out like a light.

I think they need to check all the friends out, the mother has alot of pic's of these kids on her website, as well as her sisters site.  Remember Shasta Groehn that guy watched the kids playing and observed the family for days before taking them.

Another random thought, Tornado's and pedofiles always know where the trailer parks are...go ahead throw nanners.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2009, 02:13:46 PM
Live Webcam they say but I don't see any movement  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa:: :

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2009, 02:41:18 PM
Missing 5-year-old Florida girl likely was abducted, police say
Helen Eckinger | Sentinel Staff Writer
2:30 PM EST, February 12, 2009
1 2 3 next SATSUMA - 2:27 p.m.

The Gainsville Sun is reporting that George Anthony is with Ronald Cummings' family on its Twitter feed. Check it out and more here.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-missing-florida-girl-haleigh-021209,0,5779988.story

Go to the link for the Twitter feed....





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 12, 2009, 02:41:20 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

UNCUT: Girlfriend Tearfully Describes Finding Haleigh Gone

Misty Croslin, 17, was sleeping in the room with Haleigh Cummings and her 3-year-old brother when the little girl d...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2009, 02:46:07 PM
Just was thinking.
Someone had to of unlocked that dead blot to the back door.
What if the girlfriend, on a regular basis, go's out for a smoke late evening/early morning and someone has been watching her.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2009, 02:50:19 PM
Someone also said she was doing to wash earlier, which was next door.
Wonder is someone put a piece of tap on the dead blot, which you (I think) would know when the door doesn't close right.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 02:50:57 PM
"The good news on this one is that it's not a month-plus before Haleigh's been reported missing," Miller said, referring to the Caylee case. "We're certainly optimistic - we have to be optimistic."

They keep referring to the 30 days vs hearing about it right away. Gotta luv that, in your face Ant's!




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 03:03:28 PM
Wow that is scary!  She's seems to be telling the truth to me too?!  She's just a baby herself, but seems to have already assumed the role of mom.  My mom was 16 and preggers so I can relate to young motherhood.

I'm confused about the doors.  Father said the storm door on back had a cheap plastic lock and the cinder block was propping this door open and where the dead bolt was, I don't know, back or front?  Door open, kitchen light on, seems to me like they should be taking fingerprints and cross checking these pedies in the area.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Jennifer34 on February 12, 2009, 03:12:18 PM
O lord ...Not GA.  Can't they just leave that circus in Orlando?  I wouldnt want those people any where near me ...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 03:18:24 PM
Just another random thought, the trailer is a rental, wonder if the landlord had keys or the previous tenants, they should be checked as well.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 03:21:34 PM
mother on fox news now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2009, 03:23:25 PM
Just another random thought, the trailer is a rental, wonder if the landlord had keys or the previous tenants, they should be checked as well.

Good thought............ :smt115


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 03:35:04 PM
they have not given a poly to the mother and she was called at like 3:49am? about missing haleigh by father?, I'm betting on someone known here.  If gf left door open/unlocked she needs to come clean or abductor had key!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2009, 03:42:33 PM
Anyone hear this today?
Is it true or a rumor?
"The mother came to pick up both kids from dad's house.
When she was putting the baby in the back of the car, she told the dad to watch Haleigh.
Dad didn't and she went into the canal.
The mother found her, face down, and revived her".

Anyone???? ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2009, 03:43:35 PM
Can't edit...
That happened months back.
If it did.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 12, 2009, 03:48:31 PM
Anyone hear this today?
Is it true or a rumor?
"The mother came to pick up both kids from dad's house.
When she was putting the baby in the back of the car, she told the dad to watch Haleigh.
Dad didn't and she went into the canal.
The mother found her, face down, and revived her".

Anyone???? ::MonkeyShocked::
Read the through the threads its on here but I don't know if it is documented fact, it was never reported and never refuted by the dad. Nice cat...looks familiar ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2009, 03:51:49 PM
Anyone hear this today?
Is it true or a rumor?
"The mother came to pick up both kids from dad's house.
When she was putting the baby in the back of the car, she told the dad to watch Haleigh.
Dad didn't and she went into the canal.
The mother found her, face down, and revived her".

Anyone???? ::MonkeyShocked::

I believe it happened when Haleigh was around 3 a couple years ago.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 12, 2009, 04:10:36 PM
After watching the interview with gf, pretty sure I am ruling her out.

She appeared honest and sincere.

So much for a 17 yr. old to handle.

I wonder if she was in her night clothes or dressed when father got home.

Time is passing, where is Haleigh..Please bring her home.






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 12, 2009, 04:13:39 PM
I can't remember if it was cnn.com or FOX who had something on that, I just looked again and can't find it now. The expanded story I saw stated that both the mother and father were outside loading up the children into the car. The mother went back into the trailer, then came outside and Haleigh had wandered off and was in the canal. It was unclear if blame was being laid but one would assume so, if this is being retold now by the natural mother.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Stacey on February 12, 2009, 04:21:40 PM
God Bless this little girl
I hope she is found alive and God Bless Tim after all he has been through in FL he gets a call for help and he says we are on the way doesn't think twice. We need more Tim's in this world.

I'm not casting blame on this 17 yr old but I just can't believe if you are in bed with 2 kids you don't feel one of them being removed.

Do you all think that the little brother can be ???? my LE or is he just to young.
I would think they could ask him was sister in bed with you last night just to see what he would say.

monkey hugs


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 12, 2009, 04:33:04 PM
FOX has a few new details in this, nothing earth-shattering but a few new tidbits and soundbytes.

evidence has been collected from the mobile home where Haleigh lived with her 3-year-old brother Junior, her father Ronald Cummings and Croslin — but declined to describe it.

"I can't discuss what evidence was taken into custody," Hardy said. "I don't want to reveal what was found or not found."


Haleigh's grandfather, Johnny Sheffield, said he was distraught about the girl's disappearance and characterized Croslin as suspicious, though he admitted he didn't know much about her, according to MyFOXOrlando.com.

Sheffield told Van Susteren that her children loved their father's girlfriend, whom he'd been dating for 4 to 6 months.

"She seemed like a really nice person, but I never sat down and had a conversation with her," she said.

Sheffield doesn't live in the area but traveled to Putnam County after she learned of her daughter's disappearance and has been interviewed, according to Rose.

"She is cooperating," Rose told FOX News on Wednesday.

Cummings said his girlfriend was awake and frantic after she found Haleigh was gone. But in the police report, obtained by FOX News, Cummings reportedly told officers that his "dumb bitch girlfriend" told him Haleigh was gone when he got home from work.

"Ronald said that he did not know what Haleigh was wearing, and that all he knew was that the back door was standing open. Ronald repeatedly said that someone had taken his child and also said 'When I find him I'll kill him,'" police wrote in the report.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491485,00.html



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 04:41:15 PM
She not only has 44 sexual offenders, but she has 4 sexual predators w/in a 3.5 mile radius of her.  One w/in a .5 miles from her street.  Bad, Bad!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 12, 2009, 04:41:45 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Video

Father pleading for Haleigh.

I get the same reaction watching him I had watching Susan Smith.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Me too klaas!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 12, 2009, 04:43:12 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Video

Father pleading for Haleigh.

I get the same reaction watching him I had watching Susan Smith.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Me too klaas!
I was thinking of Susan Smith when I read earlier somewhere that the girlfriend seemed honest and sincere. So did Smith. I pray I am wrong, I pray that little girl is somehow safe.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2009, 04:45:34 PM
FOX has a few new details in this, nothing earth-shattering but a few new tidbits and soundbytes.

evidence has been collected from the mobile home where Haleigh lived with her 3-year-old brother Junior, her father Ronald Cummings and Croslin — but declined to describe it.

"I can't discuss what evidence was taken into custody," Hardy said. "I don't want to reveal what was found or not found."


Haleigh's grandfather, Johnny Sheffield, said he was distraught about the girl's disappearance and characterized Croslin as suspicious, though he admitted he didn't know much about her, according to MyFOXOrlando.com.

Sheffield told Van Susteren that her children loved their father's girlfriend, whom he'd been dating for 4 to 6 months.

"She seemed like a really nice person, but I never sat down and had a conversation with her," she said.

Sheffield doesn't live in the area but traveled to Putnam County after she learned of her daughter's disappearance and has been interviewed, according to Rose.

"She is cooperating," Rose told FOX News on Wednesday.

Cummings said his girlfriend was awake and frantic after she found Haleigh was gone. But in the police report, obtained by FOX News, Cummings reportedly told officers that his "dumb bitch girlfriend" told him Haleigh was gone when he got home from work.

"Ronald said that he did not know what Haleigh was wearing, and that all he knew was that the back door was standing open. Ronald repeatedly said that someone had taken his child and also said 'When I find him I'll kill him,'" police wrote in the report.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491485,00.html



I understand being angry and upset, but do you really have to call your girlfriend that??   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 04:47:37 PM
another weird thing is the bedwetting, the gf mentions that she had to wash her blanket cause she had wet on it, I wonder if this was a recurring problem? 

I wonder what the evidence consisted of?  any thoughts out there?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2009, 04:52:29 PM
another weird thing is the bedwetting, the gf mentions that she had to wash her blanket cause she had wet on it, I wonder if this was a recurring problem? 

I wonder what the evidence consisted of?  any thoughts out there?

Since the girlfriend did not hear anything and was sleeping right next to Haleigh, I wonder if they found any drugs....perhaps the g/f was under the influence of something and therefore slept through it all.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 12, 2009, 04:53:50 PM
Live

 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx)

LP was just on.  Said he was the only one out of the people he is talking with has been talking to that believes she is alive. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 05:03:41 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29163600/ 

I hope I did the link right, more info from the girlfriend, she was doing laundry right by back door after putting haleigh and junior to bed, doesn't say if inside or outside.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 12, 2009, 05:06:40 PM
Sheriff has denied rumors that Haleigh has been found and someone confessed.  Sheriff said they are continuing to search.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 12, 2009, 05:10:20 PM
another weird thing is the bedwetting, the gf mentions that she had to wash her blanket cause she had wet on it, I wonder if this was a recurring problem? 

I wonder what the evidence consisted of?  any thoughts out there?

Since the girlfriend did not hear anything and was sleeping right next to Haleigh, I wonder if they found any drugs....perhaps the g/f was under the influence of something and therefore slept through it all.

just my own knowledge of a different case..

There was a case a few years back, a 21 year old guy and his 17 yr old pregnant fiance were sleeping when someone quietly broke into their trailer,they had NO IDEA he was in there and she even slept through the brutal attack of her soon to be husband,He was beaten to death,she was raped and beaten almost to death. If you e-mail me, her statement of what happened the night they were attacked is online. The murderer is on death row now for that crime.She was awakened by him flipping her onto her stomach,hitting her in the head and raping her,she could hear her fiances whimpers as he was pleading for the attack on HER to stop,she also heard him take his last breath.It CAN happen. Trailers are not the most secure places to live and can be broken into without a sound being made.I also need to add,they were in the same bed when this took place and as I said,she never knew he was being beaten to death,she did not know anything was wrong till he attacked her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pixiecat on February 12, 2009, 05:18:22 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Video

Father pleading for Haleigh.

I get the same reaction watching him I had watching Susan Smith.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Me too klaas!
I was thinking of Susan Smith when I read earlier somewhere that the girlfriend seemed honest and sincere. So did Smith. I pray I am wrong, I pray that little girl is somehow safe.

I agree with you.  I really hope that I am wrong, but I get a bad feeling about the girlfriend.  The fact that she reported the Haleigh as her daughter is strange, the fact that she was asleep next to Haleigh is strange, and the fact that at age 17, she was living with a 25 year old is strange to me too. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Stacey on February 12, 2009, 05:19:24 PM
Oh bless her
she also has a heart problem
they just reported it on the live link above.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 12, 2009, 05:37:42 PM
Has anyone seen any information on if the girlfriend drives  and had access to a car or not? just curious.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 12, 2009, 05:38:58 PM
This is so heartbreaking....what in the hell is happening in FL!! I agree...the girlfriend reminds me of Susan Smith!  What in he hell is this 25 yo doing with a 17yo girlfriend...this stinks. Please Tim FIND  HER


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 05:41:19 PM
http://www.mahalo.com/Haleigh_Cummings

Another video link w/father and gf misty and interview w/aunt and grandmother

I don't think the age difference is that strange, but MO.  And maybe they all slept together till the dad got home cause she was afraid of the dark or just until they got to sleep than gf fell asleep herself.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 05:45:47 PM
another weird thing is the bedwetting, the gf mentions that she had to wash her blanket cause she had wet on it, I wonder if this was a recurring problem? 

I wonder what the evidence consisted of?  any thoughts out there?

Since the girlfriend did not hear anything and was sleeping right next to Haleigh, I wonder if they found any drugs....perhaps the g/f was under the influence of something and therefore slept through it all.

just my own knowledge of a different case..

There was a case a few years back, a 21 year old guy and his 17 yr old pregnant fiance were sleeping when someone quietly broke into their trailer,they had NO IDEA he was in there and she even slept through the brutal attack of her soon to be husband,He was beaten to death,she was raped and beaten almost to death. If you e-mail me, her statement of what happened the night they were attacked is online. The murderer is on death row now for that crime.She was awakened by him flipping her onto her stomach,hitting her in the head and raping her,she could hear her fiances whimpers as he was pleading for the attack on HER to stop,she also heard him take his last breath.It CAN happen. Trailers are not the most secure places to live and can be broken into without a sound being made.I also need to add,they were in the same bed when this took place and as I said,she never knew he was being beaten to death,she did not know anything was wrong till he attacked her.

I agree you could be completly asleep thru this, as I posted earlier, and I think kids can be carried off and not wake at all.  I've carried a few from the couch to their bedrooms in my time and not had a peep out of them if they are really tired.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 12, 2009, 05:48:19 PM
I can't remember if it was cnn.com or FOX who had something on that, I just looked again and can't find it now. The expanded story I saw stated that both the mother and father were outside loading up the children into the car. The mother went back into the trailer, then came outside and Haleigh had wandered off and was in the canal. It was unclear if blame was being laid but one would assume so, if this is being retold now by the natural mother.

I heard that the mother has issues with drugs and that she was throwing all sorts of accusations at the dad during the custody fight - sounds like normal BS for that type of situation. And the judge did award dad custody so I trust him more than mom. I read she had not even talked to the kids in two weeks or so.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 12, 2009, 05:50:08 PM
Sorry if this has been addressed.....Why were the children living with the father and not the mother??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 12, 2009, 05:51:15 PM
I can't remember if it was cnn.com or FOX who had something on that, I just looked again and can't find it now. The expanded story I saw stated that both the mother and father were outside loading up the children into the car. The mother went back into the trailer, then came outside and Haleigh had wandered off and was in the canal. It was unclear if blame was being laid but one would assume so, if this is being retold now by the natural mother.

I heard that the mother has issues with drugs and that she was throwing all sorts of accusations at the dad during the custody fight - sounds like normal BS for that type of situation. And the judge did award dad custody so I trust him more than mom. I read she had not even talked to the kids in two weeks or so.

ooopsssss I as asking about this and just saw you posted the answer...thanks


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 12, 2009, 05:52:14 PM
http://www.mahalo.com/Haleigh_Cummings

Another video link w/father and gf misty and interview w/aunt and grandmother

I don't think the age difference is that strange, but MO.  And maybe they all slept together till the dad got home cause she was afraid of the dark or just until they got to sleep than gf fell asleep herself.



If my 17 yo daughter was living with a 25 yo man I'd be VERY CONCERNED....MO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 12, 2009, 05:56:26 PM
This is so heartbreaking....what in the hell is happening in FL!! I agree...the girlfriend reminds me of Susan Smith!  What in he hell is this 25 yo doing with a 17yo girlfriend...this stinks. Please Tim FIND  HER

It is the ozone layer... The sun is cooking the brains of the people in Fl..one person at a time..  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Stacey on February 12, 2009, 05:56:49 PM
Can someone give me the link to where George is speaking to the media.

Thanks so much


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 06:02:30 PM
Speaking with Fox News, Putnam County Sheriff's Office Capt. Steve Rose confirmed reports that there have been prior problems with Cummings, Croslin, and the children. He refused to elaborate on what the problems were, saying only, "There have been some investigations done through the Department of Children and Families," Rose said.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/

Here's some speculation, funny how fox seems to always get goods.  Still looking for stuff...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 12, 2009, 06:03:50 PM
I am watching the video of her father...he seems more than disgusted with the girlfriend. He rolls his eyes when her name is said. I would like to hear a professionals opinion on his actions.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 12, 2009, 06:07:42 PM
I am referring to this video.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 06:07:58 PM
http://www.mahalo.com/Haleigh_Cummings

Another video link w/father and gf misty and interview w/aunt and grandmother

I don't think the age difference is that strange, but MO.  And maybe they all slept together till the dad got home cause she was afraid of the dark or just until they got to sleep than gf fell asleep herself.



If my 17 yo daughter was living with a 25 yo man I'd be VERY CONCERNED....MO

I would now too, but when I was 16,17,18 I was always w/old men (as my gf's called them) and my parents were concerned!?! But it did in fact happen and unfortunatly still does.  And maybe her parents did not know the extent of the relationship hence her running back to them and w/them since.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2009, 06:10:28 PM
I am watching the video of her father...he seems more than disgusted with the girlfriend. He rolls his eyes when her name is said. I would like to hear a professionals opinion on his actions.

Yet he trusted her with his children at night....strange.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 12, 2009, 06:10:42 PM
This is also the first time I have watched the other video. My heart hurts for him. He may not be perfect,w e may find that he has had trouble, but he loves his girl. Poor man.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 12, 2009, 06:12:27 PM
I am watching the video of her father...he seems more than disgusted with the girlfriend. He rolls his eyes when her name is said. I would like to hear a professionals opinion on his actions.

Yet he trusted her with his children at night....strange.
I know this is early, and it is easy to form opinions, but there is something there. I don't know why he trusted her because I really get the impression that he is not happy with her at all.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2009, 06:13:29 PM
George Anthony joins effort to find missing 5-year-old girl
Helen Eckinger | Sentinel Staff Writer
5:55 PM EST, February 12, 2009
1 2 3 4 next SATSUMA - 5:55 p.m. Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, 23, will appear on the Nancy Grace show tonight, according to a spokesperson for CNN.

Sheffield, who has custody of Haleigh and her younger brother every other weekend, was at her home in Baker County at the time of Haleigh's disappearance.

The Nancy Grace show airs at 8 p.m. and 10 p.m. EST on HLN, CNN's sister network.

3:53 p.m


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Elaine on February 12, 2009, 06:19:42 PM
I am watching the video of her father...he seems more than disgusted with the girlfriend. He rolls his eyes when her name is said. I would like to hear a professionals opinion on his actions.

Yet he trusted her with his children at night....strange.
I agree here, strange is right. I just don't know what to think yet in this case though.
I hope that she is alive somewhere, but the more time that passes the more the odds are against that happening. Sad.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2009, 06:19:58 PM
http://www.mahalo.com/Haleigh_Cummings

Another video link w/father and gf misty and interview w/aunt and grandmother

I don't think the age difference is that strange, but MO.  And maybe they all slept together till the dad got home cause she was afraid of the dark or just until they got to sleep than gf fell asleep herself.



If my 17 yo daughter was living with a 25 yo man I'd be VERY CONCERNED....MO

I would now too, but when I was 16,17,18 I was always w/old men (as my gf's called them) and my parents were concerned!?! But it did in fact happen and unfortunatly still does.  And maybe her parents did not know the extent of the relationship hence her running back to them and w/them since.

I dont really have an issue with the age difference as much as I do with the responsibilities he left her with.(or she chose to take on).  either way, as a parent, I would have an issue with that.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 06:21:52 PM
I am watching the video of her father...he seems more than disgusted with the girlfriend. He rolls his eyes when her name is said. I would like to hear a professionals opinion on his actions.

Yet he trusted her with his children at night....strange.

A very poor situation for the children all the way around.  Apparently the dad was able to get custody because of the bio-mom's drug use, yet he moved a young girl into his home that he's apparently put into the role of being their stepmother. 




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 06:30:30 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131177&catid=3

video clip w/george anthony in background


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 12, 2009, 06:30:40 PM
Speaking with Fox News, Putnam County Sheriff's Office Capt. Steve Rose confirmed reports that there have been prior problems with Cummings, Croslin, and the children. He refused to elaborate on what the problems were, saying only, "There have been some investigations done through the Department of Children and Families," Rose said.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/

Here's some speculation, funny how fox seems to always get goods.  Still looking for stuff...

my heart dropped reading this...it is not sounding good, is it


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 12, 2009, 06:37:47 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131177&catid=3

video clip w/george anthony in background
I copied that over to Cayless thread... hope you dont mind.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 06:40:09 PM
CynIn, not at all, I thought about it too! ha! ha! they will tear it up over there.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 12, 2009, 06:40:53 PM
CynIn, not at all, I thought about it too! ha! ha! they will tear it up over there.


they might today.... it is very tense in Caylees room right now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 12, 2009, 06:43:31 PM
What news channel in FL covers this area ?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 06:47:05 PM
I have faith Casey is going down, no way she can't.  They will not release the good evidence until the trial, I think.

I hate it that they cut that video of the girlfriend Misty just when the questions were getting good.  They were just asking about the kitchen light if she left it on and than boom stop tape! bummer.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 12, 2009, 06:48:26 PM
I think that there will be a lot held back for now...it is all still suspicious.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 06:48:55 PM
I have faith Casey is going down, no way she can't.  They will not release the good evidence until the trial, I think.

I hate it that they cut that video of the girlfriend Misty just when the questions were getting good.  They were just asking about the kitchen light if she left it on and than boom stop tape! bummer.

She did look and sound sincere to me though, did she to you ? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 06:49:43 PM
I'm getting most stuff from here: http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

here: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2009/2/12/haleigh_911_transcript_part_1.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 12, 2009, 06:50:10 PM
I have faith Casey is going down, no way she can't.  They will not release the good evidence until the trial, I think.

I hate it that they cut that video of the girlfriend Misty just when the questions were getting good.  They were just asking about the kitchen light if she left it on and than boom stop tape! bummer.

She did look and sound sincere to me though, did she to you ? 
now wait...which video was this ?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 12, 2009, 06:50:29 PM
When I worked 3rd and my hubby worked 1st I had a 16 yr old come over ( the next door neighbor) in the interim. So I do not find it strange that this girl was watching them at night. I don't even find it strange that  her first call was to her bf. Their age difference doesn't concern me because IMO he is immature and they are probably equivalent in that respect. What DOES concern me at the moment is that this child is 5 years old and wets the bed. A lot of abuse victims wet the bed. Now she has Turners Syndrome and a heart condition as well (?) , maybe medicine is to blame for the bedwetting, but maybe not.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 06:52:59 PM
I have faith Casey is going down, no way she can't.  They will not release the good evidence until the trial, I think.

I hate it that they cut that video of the girlfriend Misty just when the questions were getting good.  They were just asking about the kitchen light if she left it on and than boom stop tape! bummer.

She did look and sound sincere to me though, did she to you ? 

Misty = yes, I believe her
Father, Ronald = I think he knows the evil out there and it is tearing him up (molestors) or something is up with him.  I saw on a chat from someone who claimed to grow up w/him and the bio mother that they were both crack heads, but who knows?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 06:53:08 PM
I have faith Casey is going down, no way she can't.  They will not release the good evidence until the trial, I think.

I hate it that they cut that video of the girlfriend Misty just when the questions were getting good.  They were just asking about the kitchen light if she left it on and than boom stop tape! bummer.

She did look and sound sincere to me though, did she to you ? 
now wait...which video was this ?

I watched a short interview of her either on HNN or Fox, not sure which now. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 06:55:21 PM
I have faith Casey is going down, no way she can't.  They will not release the good evidence until the trial, I think.

I hate it that they cut that video of the girlfriend Misty just when the questions were getting good.  They were just asking about the kitchen light if she left it on and than boom stop tape! bummer.

She did look and sound sincere to me though, did she to you ? 
now wait...which video was this ?

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html     
this video


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 12, 2009, 06:59:21 PM
I have faith Casey is going down, no way she can't.  They will not release the good evidence until the trial, I think.

I hate it that they cut that video of the girlfriend Misty just when the questions were getting good.  They were just asking about the kitchen light if she left it on and than boom stop tape! bummer.

She did look and sound sincere to me though, did she to you ? 
now wait...which video was this ?

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html     
this video
I would have to agree that I also would like to see more of that before passing judgement.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 06:59:52 PM
When I worked 3rd and my hubby worked 1st I had a 16 yr old come over ( the next door neighbor) in the interim. So I do not find it strange that this girl was watching them at night. I don't even find it strange that  her first call was to her bf. Their age difference doesn't concern me because IMO he is immature and they are probably equivalent in that respect. What DOES concern me at the moment is that this child is 5 years old and wets the bed. A lot of abuse victims wet the bed. Now she has Turners Syndrome and a heart condition as well (?) , maybe medicine is to blame for the bedwetting, but maybe not.

That's exactly what concerned me as well.  If it's alot than what's the issue, they all say she's highly intelligent, but this would definatly be a sign of sexual abuse in the older child from my limited book knowledge or could it be medication.  The meds I assume would be female hormones based on the Turner's I don't know about the heart condition.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 07:01:46 PM
Where is the heart condition info?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Mtnmom on February 12, 2009, 07:01:57 PM
When I worked 3rd and my hubby worked 1st I had a 16 yr old come over ( the next door neighbor) in the interim. So I do not find it strange that this girl was watching them at night. I don't even find it strange that  her first call was to her bf. Their age difference doesn't concern me because IMO he is immature and they are probably equivalent in that respect. What DOES concern me at the moment is that this child is 5 years old and wets the bed. A lot of abuse victims wet the bed. Now she has Turners Syndrome and a heart condition as well (?) , maybe medicine is to blame for the bedwetting, but maybe not.

That's exactly what concerned me as well.  If it's alot than what's the issue, they all say she's highly intelligent, but this would definatly be a sign of sexual abuse in the older child from my limited book knowledge or could it be medication.  The meds I assume would be female hormones based on the Turner's I don't know about the heart condition.

Turners syndrome affects both the kidneys and heart.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: EverySunset on February 12, 2009, 07:02:19 PM
Poor little Haleigh. She is precious and sweet. I wonder if the gf left or maybe had company while the dad was at work and is too afraid to tell? On the mom's myspace there are pics of her and her friends partying and there are weed posters on the wall. No, I do not think that pot smoker = kidnapper/child abuser/child killer. I just thought I would mention it, since I read a couple of posts about her rumored drug use. Also noticed in her photo albums, she seems to focus more on one child, I assume the one she has custody of. Probably her new man's child. There are pics of Haleigh there, but more of the baby with her own album and all.

I don't know what I think, because I don't know enough about anything. Poor Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 12, 2009, 07:02:46 PM
Haleigh's father discusses 'misleading' information

Ronald Cummings started with his girlfriend Misty Croslin, 17, who is the last person known to have seen 5-year-old Haleigh before she disappeared from Cummings' mobile home Monday night.

"It had nothing to do with her," Cummings said of Croslin. "She couldn't help that. She can’t help she’s the last one to see her. It could be any one of us, any one of our children."

Cummings also said he had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

Standing next to Cummings, Croslin also spoke to the press. She said she loved Haleigh like her own daughter. She refuted an earlier report that Haleigh had been sleeping in the same bed as she was before the disappearance.

Croslin said 2-year-old Ronald Jr. was in the bed but that Haleigh was in her own bed.


http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090212/ARTICLES/902121020

So now Haleigh was in her OWN bed? Didn't the girlfriend say something different in an interview?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 07:05:08 PM
When I worked 3rd and my hubby worked 1st I had a 16 yr old come over ( the next door neighbor) in the interim. So I do not find it strange that this girl was watching them at night. I don't even find it strange that  her first call was to her bf. Their age difference doesn't concern me because IMO he is immature and they are probably equivalent in that respect. What DOES concern me at the moment is that this child is 5 years old and wets the bed. A lot of abuse victims wet the bed. Now she has Turners Syndrome and a heart condition as well (?) , maybe medicine is to blame for the bedwetting, but maybe not.

That's exactly what concerned me as well.  If it's alot than what's the issue, they all say she's highly intelligent, but this would definatly be a sign of sexual abuse in the older child from my limited book knowledge or could it be medication.  The meds I assume would be female hormones based on the Turner's I don't know about the heart condition.

Turners syndrome affects both the kidneys and heart.

yes... lots of info on Google about TS.  This is an excerpt from the article I posted earlier:

...."A number of other health problems occur more often in girls with Turner syndrome, including kidney problems, high blood pressure, heart problems, overweight, hearing difficulties, diabetes, and thyroid problems." ....

http://kidshealth.org/teen/diseases_conditions/genetic/turner.html



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 07:10:16 PM
Haleigh's father discusses 'misleading' information

Ronald Cummings started with his girlfriend Misty Croslin, 17, who is the last person known to have seen 5-year-old Haleigh before she disappeared from Cummings' mobile home Monday night.

"It had nothing to do with her," Cummings said of Croslin. "She couldn't help that. She can’t help she’s the last one to see her. It could be any one of us, any one of our children."

Cummings also said he had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

Standing next to Cummings, Croslin also spoke to the press. She said she loved Haleigh like her own daughter. She refuted an earlier report that Haleigh had been sleeping in the same bed as she was before the disappearance.

Croslin said 2-year-old Ronald Jr. was in the bed but that Haleigh was in her own bed.


http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090212/ARTICLES/902121020

So now Haleigh was in her OWN bed? Didn't the girlfriend say something different in an interview?

I'm 99.9% sure she said she was sleeping right next to Haleigh, that she was next to her when she went to sleep but when she got up to go to the bathroom, Haleigh was gone.     Other reports I've heard/read had them all 3 sleeping in the same bed, and/or the little boy sleeping in a different bed.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 07:20:37 PM
Well if a side affect of the Turner syndrome was bedwetting I'd want her in her own bed, not to be funny, just saying.  But that is new news to me also. 

They were both a mess in the 911 calls and the video tho.  Long day at work(him) and disoriented from just waking up and finding someone missing would be enough for me too.  I don't know, I'm still going w/abduction at this point, a known maybe or unknown.  Where are the fingerprints for the door and the kitchen light switch?  If abduction.  I'll be praying for Haleigh, maybe whoever has her will have mercy for this little girl and let her go.

New link with great map on this site of how green the area is how far to the water.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090212/ARTICLES/902121020#


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 07:22:12 PM
Interview with Haleigh's grandfather (bio-mom's dad) on J Velez-Mitchell:
 
Said Haleigh's father told him there was signs of forced entry... but LE told him & Misty said on 911 call  there was no signs of forced entry.
 
Finds it hard to believe anyone could go in there and just take her out without waking up Misty. 
 
Says things were rocky between his daughter and Haleigh's father in the beginning when they divorced but that lately things were okay between them.
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 12, 2009, 07:24:17 PM
Sorry I see pink angel had posted that link now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 12, 2009, 07:25:19 PM
its very difficult to know what exactly is true at this point, since different media outlets are reporting different things. im still very interested in knowing if the little brother and gf were in the same bed as she was or not.

sadly there is a reason le always looks at the family first, and i really hope the gf wasnt involved. if the father was at work one would think it would eliminate him, but im sure le will investigate that very closely as well.

that poor sweet little girl, i pray she is ok, i just have a horrible feeling shes not. i hope with all my heart i am wrong.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 12, 2009, 07:29:14 PM
There were two other kids visiting earlier before the kids were put to bed. The cinder block perhaps was put by the back door by one of the grown ups with the two other kids before they left so they ( he/she ) could come back later. Or the gf left the back door
like that so she could have a guy visit her.
These ppl are not like us, doesn't mean guilt.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Stacey on February 12, 2009, 07:29:40 PM
Where is the heart condition info?

I don't know if it's in print yet
They talked about live in the link that a monkey posted

monkey hugs


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 07:30:38 PM
More from J Velez-Mitchell:
 
From a local reporter:   Father & Misty both took polygraph tests and they said they passed.  Sheriff's office will not confirm whether they did or not.
 
Misty gave a lengthy interview and told them that Haleigh was in a different bed, which was different from what they had heard earlier.  She said when she got up to go to the bathroom, the kitchen light was on, which they had also not heard earlier.
 
Reporter said she questioned sheriff about getting a lot of conflicting reports.  Sheriff says you have to remember you're talking about a 17 yr old girl,  and sometimes you get that with younger people. 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 12, 2009, 07:38:43 PM
ah. in part of a video interview the gf mistie says ' i loved that little girl like she was my own' . past tense of love.

ouch. thats not too good.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 12, 2009, 07:39:45 PM
Bedwetting could be for a different reason than abuse.
A small bladder is one that I know of, first hand.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 07:40:27 PM
44 sex offenders live within a 5 mile radius of the home.


J Velez Mitchell points out that in one interview with Misty, she says "I loved (past-tense) that little girl like she was my own."   

Wendy Murphy says what bugs her is that even if you're a dumb criminal, it's a dopey thing to do to take a child from a home around 3 a.m.  because you can't predict that the child would be quiet or alone unless you know the sleeping habits.  She says it's also interesting that it happened to be at a time when the father wasn't home and that the children were with a 17-yr-old nitwit (Wendy Murphy's words, not mine  ::MonkeyHaHa::).  Also says it bugs her that there was apprx.  27 min. time lapse between time child was deteremined to be missing and 911 call. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 07:45:50 PM
ah. in part of a video interview the gf mistie says ' i loved that little girl like she was my own' . past tense of love.

ouch. thats not too good.

yes... and there's that phrase "that little girl".... again


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Garden Gnome on February 12, 2009, 07:58:35 PM
Bedwetting could be for a different reason than abuse.
A small bladder is one that I know of, first hand.

Me too, Kat.  One of my daughters had to have an IVP x-ray, years and years ago, for bedwetting.  She had a combination of extremely small bladder and very heavy sleeper.  It eventually worked out but was very upsetting for her.  Not always abuse. 

This little girl has probably had a very tumultuous five years.  She was taken from her mother, I heard there was a drug problem with her.  I can't imagine it was a fun household to be living in before the parents got divorced.  And the father, God love him, twenty five and a live-in seventeen year old girlfriend?  Trying not be judgmental but....... 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Garden Gnome on February 12, 2009, 07:59:34 PM
Has there been a problem with the forum today?  I couldn't get on at all this afternoon and it just took three tries to post that last one.  Is it me?   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2009, 08:01:56 PM
Nancy Grace covering the case


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: dottie on February 12, 2009, 08:08:44 PM


I don't like the way the girlfriend closes her eyes when she talks.  Reminds me of Susan Smith.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 12, 2009, 08:09:35 PM
Bedwetting could be for a different reason than abuse.
A small bladder is one that I know of, first hand.

Me too, Kat.  One of my daughters had to have an IVP x-ray, years and years ago, for bedwetting.  She had a combination of extremely small bladder and very heavy sleeper.  It eventually worked out but was very upsetting for her.  Not always abuse. 

This little girl has probably had a very tumultuous five years.  She was taken from her mother, I heard there was a drug problem with her.  I can't imagine it was a fun household to be living in before the parents got divorced.  And the father, God love him, twenty five and a live-in seventeen year old girlfriend?  Trying not be judgmental but....... 

If she wets the bed for these reasons then she may not have woken up if someone took her out of bed...especially if she WAS in the dads/gfs bed and always got moved to her own room when dad got home. I just wish we could get "facts" we could go by ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
I just watched the interview with the GF and she acts as odd as the dad......NO direct eye contact with the cameras. I'm not jumping to conclusions~but, it doesn't look good. Then all the conflicting stories makes me really suspicous ::MonkeyConfused::

Also, I'd feel better if LE told us who in fact passed polygraphs and not the people who took them. JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 12, 2009, 08:11:08 PM
The girlfriend made my hinky meter go beserko.
I feel for the mother.
I dont think the father knows what happened.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 12, 2009, 08:14:20 PM
Nancy has a problem with the 17 yr old girlfriends story too..
I cant imagine any 17 yr old wanting to be an instant mommy to a boyfriends 2 little kids.. she isnt that much older than they are for crissakes


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 12, 2009, 08:16:38 PM
Nancy has a problem with the 17 yr old girlfriends story too..
I cant imagine any 17 yr old wanting to be an instant mommy to a boyfriends 2 little kids.. she isnt that much older than they are for crissakes

ya there seem to be some inconsistencies with her story. i just hope they find her and soon.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 12, 2009, 08:22:42 PM
Nancy has a problem with the 17 yr old girlfriends story too..
I cant imagine any 17 yr old wanting to be an instant mommy to a boyfriends 2 little kids.. she isnt that much older than they are for crissakes

My youngest daughter just turned 18,ran off with her bf,a 21 year old father of 2 that refuses to work,said my daughter will work and support him and his kids,which she does..she did this 2 months before her 18th Bday.. LE said there was nothing I could do to stop her,she was to close to being 18.Let me add, I do NOT approve of her and his relationship,never did and I DO NOT approve of HIM period.thats just the mom in me.. I guess the girls are different now... I have seen several hook up with older single Dads.  Just sayin.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kcrn on February 12, 2009, 08:27:52 PM
The girlfriend made my hinky meter go beserko.
I feel for the mother.
I dont think the father knows what happened.
yeah i sincerely hope that there is no similarities to the anthony case that end up coming out here.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kcrn on February 12, 2009, 08:29:21 PM
I just watched the interview with the GF and she acts as odd as the dad......NO direct eye contact with the cameras. I'm not jumping to conclusions~but, it doesn't look good. Then all the conflicting stories makes me really suspicous ::MonkeyConfused::

Also, I'd feel better if LE told us who in fact passed polygraphs and not the people who took them. JMO
i totally agree with u. i really hope theres nothing too close to home in this case. I hope they find this poor baby and soon.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Garden Gnome on February 12, 2009, 08:30:41 PM
Nancy has a problem with the 17 yr old girlfriends story too..
I cant imagine any 17 yr old wanting to be an instant mommy to a boyfriends 2 little kids.. she isnt that much older than they are for crissakes

LOL, a seventeen year old might like the idea of being mommie until reality sets in.  Kids that age get caught up in the DRAMA of relationships.

I am kinda thinking, maybe, the girlfriend went out, or was sitting in a car in front of the house talking to friends when Haleigh disappeared.  Or could one of her old boyfriends have done it and now they are scared out of their minds?  Well, LP's $25,000.00 would bring that story out in a hurry.

I hope it isn't the Mark Lunsford case, all over again.  Why the hell did we ever move to this state?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 12, 2009, 08:31:44 PM
GF. Better not say it ( self editing ) Hinky meter for me. Nothing to do with the story, could be a media mis communication. The gf called her bf at work, he told her to call 911.
She is truly a nit wit. Quoting Wendy Murphy.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 12, 2009, 08:31:57 PM
some points ng brought up...why would a stranger/intruder take the time to both prop open an outside door and turn on the kitchen light.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 08:39:38 PM
some points ng brought up...why would a stranger/intruder take the time to both prop open an outside door and turn on the kitchen light.

I said that about the brick last night....I can carry my son who is 9 from the car upstairs to the front door just because I'm used too it, but even more strange is why would an abductor leave something so noticeable as a huge cinder block keeping the door wide open (like HELLO-LOOK at me), its just makes no sense to draw attention to the crime, you'd want to delay them noticing that IMO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 08:40:54 PM
This is a very disinterested bio-mom being interviewed by NG.   She said the father told her if Haleigh missed any more school, they'd put him in jail.   But when NG asked why she was missing so much school, she said she had no idea --  not interested enough to even know that.  I know someone like that.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 12, 2009, 08:42:27 PM
i know the biological mother has to be very very upset. i dont know tho...she doesnt know stuff like how often she was sick, was she in school on monday etc.

how could you not know? or wouldnt you have tried to find out by now?

maybe its cause theyre all so young. its just strange to me.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 12, 2009, 08:43:06 PM
This is a very disinterested bio-mom being interviewed by NG.   She said the father told her if Haleigh missed any more school, they'd put him in jail.   But when NG asked why she was missing so much school, she said she had no idea --  not interested enough to even know that.  I know someone like that.
There was ALOT missing from her story I think... The courts favor the mother. I suspect she didnt want to share why it was in the best interest of the child.. drugs perhaps??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 12, 2009, 08:44:30 PM
some points ng brought up...why would a stranger/intruder take the time to both prop open an outside door and turn on the kitchen light.

I said that about the brick last night....I can carry my son who is 9 from the car upstairs to the front door just because I'm used too it, but even more strange is why would an abductor leave something so noticeable as a huge cinder block keeping the door wide open (like HELLO-LOOK at me), its just makes no sense to draw attention to the crime, you'd want to delay them noticing that IMO.

ya i agree. shes a little thing, why would a strange man need to prop the door open when he could just nudge it with a shoulder? she wouldnt be much to carry at all.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 12, 2009, 08:45:37 PM
Btw, I suspect mom may have a current drug problem, such as meth... MOO based on my nursing experience


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: akmom on February 12, 2009, 08:46:22 PM
This is a very disinterested bio-mom being interviewed by NG.   She said the father told her if Haleigh missed any more school, they'd put him in jail.   But when NG asked why she was missing so much school, she said she had no idea --  not interested enough to even know that.  I know someone like that.
There was ALOT missing from her story I think... The courts favor the mother. I suspect she didnt want to share why it was in the best interest of the child.. drugs perhaps??

I read earlier today that yes, she had a drug problem.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 08:46:42 PM
This is a very disinterested bio-mom being interviewed by NG.   She said the father told her if Haleigh missed any more school, they'd put him in jail.   But when NG asked why she was missing so much school, she said she had no idea --  not interested enough to even know that.  I know someone like that.
There was ALOT missing from her story I think... The courts favor the mother. I suspect she didnt want to share why it was in the best interest of the child.. drugs perhaps??

I agree, a lot missing... a lot of hesitancy.  A court wouldn't rule against custody to a mother just because she missed a court hearing, especially if the notice of hearing was sent to a bogus address like she said. That could easily be proved. 

I've read and listened so much about this case today that I don't have a link but somewhere it was said the reason the father got custody was drugs - then again someone said they both were druggies.

As I said earlier, a bad situation all the way around for the children.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: EverySunset on February 12, 2009, 08:49:51 PM
This is a very disinterested bio-mom being interviewed by NG.   She said the father told her if Haleigh missed any more school, they'd put him in jail.   But when NG asked why she was missing so much school, she said she had no idea --  not interested enough to even know that.  I know someone like that.

I thought the same thing, she said the dad told her haleigh could not miss anymore school or he would be arrested. Nancy said, "Why did she miss so much school?" Mom said, "I have no idea." I was like,"WHY? WHY NOT? Why do you have no idea? Why didn't you ask? Did you have absolutely no interest?!" I would have asked and I don't have any kids. I would have asked if it were my niece, nephew or friend's kids. "Why have they missed so much school?"

I did mention earlier that her myspace seems to focus more on her new baby with her new man than her other kids. But, I hoped it meant nothing. But, how could you not ask why the baby had missed so much school that the dad would be arrested. WTF?!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 08:50:45 PM
They keep talking about the back door and the deadbolt on it.  Wonder what kind of lock was on the front door ??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 08:53:01 PM
This is a very disinterested bio-mom being interviewed by NG.   She said the father told her if Haleigh missed any more school, they'd put him in jail.   But when NG asked why she was missing so much school, she said she had no idea --  not interested enough to even know that.  I know someone like that.
There was ALOT missing from her story I think... The courts favor the mother. I suspect she didnt want to share why it was in the best interest of the child.. drugs perhaps??

I read earlier today that yes, she had a drug problem.

Hi akmom!    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 12, 2009, 08:55:42 PM
I am surprised LP hasnt been on NG talking up this case too  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: moonmonkey on February 12, 2009, 08:56:39 PM
This is a very disinterested bio-mom being interviewed by NG.   She said the father told her if Haleigh missed any more school, they'd put him in jail.   But when NG asked why she was missing so much school, she said she had no idea --  not interested enough to even know that.  I know someone like that.
There was ALOT missing from her story I think... The courts favor the mother. I suspect she didnt want to share why it was in the best interest of the child.. drugs perhaps??

I definitely think she was hiding why she didn't have custody...and honestly I think drugs

I think the whole group was in a drug lifestyle. More was going on. She missed school a lot, most likely she missed bus and no one could take her to school.

I have watched the interviews with the dad and the girlfriend. At first I had the Susan Smith feeling with the Dad, but that changed. I can't even say how, I just know it did. No facts involved.

As far as the girlfriend, she seemed honest too, but I have a 10yr old daughter that can produce waterworks on a dime. Tears about something might not be what we think.

I hesitate on her story. It changes for one ( i was next to her, I was in bed near her). She said she got up to use the bathroom and didn't notice anything until the light and the door "wide open" wide open and a brick holding it open are different. I hear wide open I think door completely open. We are told propped open. Which was it? That makes a difference. If just propped, yes that can indicate a quiet exit for a perp, but WIDE open.

I would like to know the timeline better. Maybe someone has it better than news I see. It says it was reported when father returned late and found daughter wasn't home...yet she says she woke up and saw door wide open. So she didn't look then? I am confused someone help me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 08:59:32 PM
I am surprised LP hasnt been on NG talking up this case too  ::MonkeyHaHa::

oh he's already offered a reward for her return by a certain date.  I'm sure we'll see him tomorrow after he checks with his inside sources.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 12, 2009, 09:00:02 PM
Why would Haleigh not be returned for $25,000?  Leonard made it clear on an interview that he would deal directly with the kidnapper, he had no obligation to tell the LE anything.  I believe that this is true legally.

I pray this is not a bad sign, but I think it is. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 12, 2009, 09:05:17 PM
This is a very disinterested bio-mom being interviewed by NG.   She said the father told her if Haleigh missed any more school, they'd put him in jail.   But when NG asked why she was missing so much school, she said she had no idea --  not interested enough to even know that.  I know someone like that.
There was ALOT missing from her story I think... The courts favor the mother. I suspect she didnt want to share why it was in the best interest of the child.. drugs perhaps??

I agree, a lot missing... a lot of hesitancy.  A court wouldn't rule against custody to a mother just because she missed a court hearing, especially if the notice of hearing was sent to a bogus address like she said. That could easily be proved. 

I've read and listened so much about this case today that I don't have a link but somewhere it was said the reason the father got custody was drugs - then again someone said they both were druggies.

As I said earlier, a bad situation all the way around for the children.


Yes mom had a drug problem and didn't take Haleigh to her Drs appointments...she has Turners syndrome and is seen regularly. I didn't watch NG but I did notice from a Greta transcript that mom had not spoken to Haleigh in two weeks  ::MonkeyNoNo:: This mom is not interested in these children and that is sad, truely it is ::MonkeyWaa:: , but it's not a crime.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: EverySunset on February 12, 2009, 09:11:44 PM
The mom was on NG airing the dad's dirty laundry (true or untrue-dunno), basically blaming him and the courts, when asked why the courts gave him custody instead of her, she was no-longer a blabber mouth. She became quiet, then said that she missed a court date, cause haleigh's dad sent the paperwork to a bogus address. Also, the courts just brushed her off and were always on his side. That's why she doesn't have custody, according to her.  ::MonkeyEek:: So, yeah, I think she's lying about that. That doesn't incriminate her in this case, though. Just noting what I see.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2009, 09:14:01 PM
Btw, I suspect mom may have a current drug problem, such as meth... MOO based on my nursing experience

I agree.  My bet is bio mom had and has a drug problem.  Bio dad and girlfriend may also have drug problems.  I think once forensics start coming back someone is going to crack.  I don't think the girlfriend is being 100% truthful. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: rana on February 12, 2009, 09:14:22 PM
I'm hesitant to say anything not positive about the father of a missing child and his girlfriend, but two things ping weird for me. He said, "I'd give my life for my child's life." I know that could mean several things, but we don't know that she's dead. Also, Misty, the 17 year old girlfriend said, "I loved her (past tense) like my own."


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 12, 2009, 09:14:57 PM
Hi Monkeys.  I just watched NG and at the beginning, was giving the gf the benefit of the doubt, but something is just not right.

I can't believe we have ANOTHER case, missing baby to follow and help with.  I wish I could be down there tomorrow to help search.  I am so glad Tim will be there, as he says, such a coincidence,   Caylee Marie and Haileigh Marie, so close.  Are there any FL monkeys who will be there for the search?

I pray this one turns out good, but the odds are looking bad.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 09:16:08 PM
Why would Haleigh not be returned for $25,000?  Leonard made it clear on an interview that he would deal directly with the kidnapper, he had no obligation to tell the LE anything.  I believe that this is true legally.

I pray this is not a bad sign, but I think it is. 

Deja Vu all over again........also, just as with Caylee, who is he to promise LE nada about a crime, I think it's just him inserting himself again. I don't recall LA asking him to show up and help out, now kidfinders ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 12, 2009, 09:17:16 PM
Did anyones else hear at the end of the show, they were saying that the timeline has been pushed back to include that past month  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 09:20:45 PM
Did anyones else hear at the end of the show, they were saying that the timeline has been pushed back to include that past month  ::MonkeyEek::

I did notice that in almost all the prior press release'.......I wonder when anyone other tha dad and GF last saw Haliegh? It shouldn't be that hard to determine if she was at school on Monday, you'd think we would knwo that by now...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 12, 2009, 09:22:48 PM
On the 911 tapes, Hayleigh was in pj's. Another place said t-shirt and underwear. 
Like to slap them all. Did gf have the key to the back door ? Did she use the cinder block to prop the door open when she left ? Sick kid. 17 year old nit wit GF gets to babysit evenings. And probably gets to do alot of other things that a 17 year old would not consider fun times.
Mother isn't much better in the caring department.  But she wasn't there.
I fell awful for thinking these kinds of thoughts. 
They are not being allowed back in the trailer until the tests come back.
Maybe these people are just guilty of being morons. Maybe they are just not likeable over the tv.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 12, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
On the 911 tapes, Hayleigh was in pj's. Another place said t-shirt and underwear. 
Like to slap them all. Did gf have the key to the back door ? Did she use the cinder block to prop the door open when she left ? Sick kid. 17 year old nit wit GF gets to babysit evenings. And probably gets to do alot of other things that a 17 year old would not consider fun times.
Mother isn't much better in the caring department.  But she wasn't there.
I fell awful for thinking these kinds of thoughts. 
They are not being allowed back in the trailer until the tests come back.
Maybe these people are just guilty of being morons. Maybe they are just not likeable over the tv.
I so agree with everything you just said Kat


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 12, 2009, 09:25:14 PM
I just watched that interview with the girlfriend. All the blinking and not looking directly at who she was talking to and looking down... it reminded me so much of Susan Smith. It was eerie and set of my hinky meter.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 09:25:28 PM
On the 911 tapes, Hayleigh was in pj's. Another place said t-shirt and underwear. 
Like to slap them all. Did gf have the key to the back door ? Did she use the cinder block to prop the door open when she left ? Sick kid. 17 year old nit wit GF gets to babysit evenings. And probably gets to do alot of other things that a 17 year old would not consider fun times.
Mother isn't much better in the caring department.  But she wasn't there.
I fell awful for thinking these kinds of thoughts. 
They are not being allowed back in the trailer until the tests come back.
Maybe these people are just guilty of being morons. Maybe they are just not likeable over the tv.

I agree with all this.  I remember Mark Lunsford wasn't liked at all when he was seen on tv.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 12, 2009, 09:27:47 PM
On the 911 tapes, Hayleigh was in pj's. Another place said t-shirt and underwear. 
Like to slap them all. Did gf have the key to the back door ? Did she use the cinder block to prop the door open when she left ? Sick kid. 17 year old nit wit GF gets to babysit evenings. And probably gets to do alot of other things that a 17 year old would not consider fun times.
Mother isn't much better in the caring department.  But she wasn't there.
I fell awful for thinking these kinds of thoughts. 
They are not being allowed back in the trailer until the tests come back.
Maybe these people are just guilty of being morons. Maybe they are just not likeable over the tv.

I am with you Kat. Maybe they are just guilty of being morons. I hate thinking the worst.

I just wish we could have a happy ending to this nightmare.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 12, 2009, 09:28:50 PM
Did anyones else hear at the end of the show, they were saying that the timeline has been pushed back to include that past month  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, and I don't think it's going to be pretty.  Lots of dirty laundry going to come out on all three of the adults, or should I say 2 adults, as the gf is only 17 and too young to be "raising" kids, let alone somebody else's.   I fear this is going to get ugly, even though I do feel the dad is innocent.  Those kids were not in a great home environment... ::MonkeyNoNo::   Though I do commend dad for working, trying and supporting those kids and those pics of him with Haleigh are of a dad who truly loved his baby girl. I just feel there were negative activities around them.  JMO

Bio mom said the girl has missed so much school and dad told her he'd go to jail if she missed anymore.  I don't know what her illness is, but if it was due to illness, he wouldn't be threatened with jail.

I'm so sad.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 12, 2009, 09:29:06 PM
i hope it wasnt a case of the gf just losing it on haleigh. if she does have problems with bedwetting, the gf might have snapped at having to get up yet again in the middle of the night to change her and the bed. she did say she was in pjs at first and then changed it to a pink shirt and undies, just like what would happen if you had to do a quick strip and cleanup in the middle of the night.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 12, 2009, 09:30:15 PM
Did anyones else hear at the end of the show, they were saying that the timeline has been pushed back to include that past month  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, and I don't think it's going to be pretty.  Lots of dirty laundry going to come out on all three of the adults, or should I say 2 adults, as the gf is only 17 and too young to be "raising" kids, let alone somebody else's.   I fear this is going to get ugly, even though I do feel the dad is innocent.  Those kids were not in a great home environment... ::MonkeyNoNo::   Though I do commend dad for working, trying and supporting those kids and those pics of him with Haleigh are of a dad who truly loved his baby girl. I just feel there were negative activities around them.  JMO

Bio mom said the girl has missed so much school and dad told her he'd go to jail if she missed anymore.  I don't know what her illness is, but if it was due to illness, he wouldn't be threatened with jail.

I'm so sad.




she has turners syndrome.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: akmom on February 12, 2009, 09:32:44 PM
This is a very disinterested bio-mom being interviewed by NG.   She said the father told her if Haleigh missed any more school, they'd put him in jail.   But when NG asked why she was missing so much school, she said she had no idea --  not interested enough to even know that.  I know someone like that.
There was ALOT missing from her story I think... The courts favor the mother. I suspect she didnt want to share why it was in the best interest of the child.. drugs perhaps??

I read earlier today that yes, she had a drug problem.

Hi akmom!    ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Bud's Girl, how are you doing?  Not at the other place anymore?  I'm not there much.  Too much fun in the cage.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 12, 2009, 09:34:26 PM
On the 911 tapes, Hayleigh was in pj's. Another place said t-shirt and underwear. 
Like to slap them all. Did gf have the key to the back door ? Did she use the cinder block to prop the door open when she left ? Sick kid. 17 year old nit wit GF gets to babysit evenings. And probably gets to do alot of other things that a 17 year old would not consider fun times.
Mother isn't much better in the caring department.  But she wasn't there.
I fell awful for thinking these kinds of thoughts. 
They are not being allowed back in the trailer until the tests come back.
Maybe these people are just guilty of being morons. Maybe they are just not likeable over the tv.

I am with you Kat. Maybe they are just guilty of being morons. I hate thinking the worst.

I just wish we could have a happy ending to this nightmare.

I agree.  I think they are just typical, uneducated kids.  I hate to say, they fall into the stereotypical bunch, I see.   And where the F was the gf's parents allowing her run around with a boy that age, with kids, lettingher spend the nights?  I take it, she dropped out of high school?  Just a guess..

However,  I remember, when Mark Lunsford appeared to fall in that stereotype and came out appearing to be a very caring, intelligent man, who just made some mistakes in the past.  We've all done that.  He is another hero to me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 12, 2009, 09:35:58 PM
Did anyones else hear at the end of the show, they were saying that the timeline has been pushed back to include that past month  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, and I don't think it's going to be pretty.  Lots of dirty laundry going to come out on all three of the adults, or should I say 2 adults, as the gf is only 17 and too young to be "raising" kids, let alone somebody else's.   I fear this is going to get ugly, even though I do feel the dad is innocent.  Those kids were not in a great home environment... ::MonkeyNoNo::   Though I do commend dad for working, trying and supporting those kids and those pics of him with Haleigh are of a dad who truly loved his baby girl. I just feel there were negative activities around them.  JMO

Bio mom said the girl has missed so much school and dad told her he'd go to jail if she missed anymore.  I don't know what her illness is, but if it was due to illness, he wouldn't be threatened with jail.

I'm so sad.




she has turners syndrome.

I know I can look it up myself, but what is Turner's syndrome?   And if she was ill, they couln't put him in jail.  He would have a legitimate reason for her to miss I assume, without knowing what Turner's is?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 12, 2009, 09:36:14 PM
Turner syndrome
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  (Redirected from Turner's Syndrome)

Turner syndrome or Ullrich-Turner syndrome (also known as "Gonadal dysgenesis"[1]:550 ) encompasses several conditions, of which monosomy X is most common. It is a chromosomal disorder affecting females in which all or part of one of the X chromosomes is absent. Occurring in 1 out of every 2500 girls, the syndrome manifests itself in a number of ways. There are characteristic physical abnormalities, such as short stature, lymphoedema, broad chest, low hairline, low-set ears, and webbed neck. Girls with TS typically experience gonadal dysfunction with subsequent amenorrhea and infertility. Concurrent health concerns are also frequently present, including congenital heart disease, hypothyroidism, ophthalmological problems, and otological concerns. [2] Finally, a specific pattern of cognitive deficits is often observed, with particular difficulties in visuospatial, mathematic, and memory areas.[3]

Symptoms
Common symptoms of Turner syndrome include:

Short stature
Lymphedema (swelling) of the hands and feet
Broad chest (shield chest) and widely-spaced nipples
Low hairline
Low-set ears
Reproductive sterility
Rudimentary ovaries gonadal streak (underdeveloped gonadal structures)
Amenorrhea, or the absence of a menstrual period
Increased weight, obesity
Shield shaped thorax of heart
Shortened metacarpal IV (of hand)
Small fingernails
Characteristic facial features
Webbing of the neck (webbed neck)
Coarctation of the aorta
Poor breast development
Horseshoe kidney
Visual impairments sclera, cornea, glaucoma, etc.
Ear infections and hearing loss.
Other symptoms may include a small lower jaw (micrognathia), cubitus valgus (turned-out elbows), soft upturned nails, palmar crease and drooping eyelids. Less common are pigmented moles, hearing loss, and a high-arch palate (narrow maxilla). Turner syndrome manifests itself differently in each female affected by the condition, and no two individuals will share the same symptoms.


[edit] Risk factors
Risk factors for Turner syndrome are not well known. Nondisjunctions increase with maternal age, such as for Down syndrome, but that effect is not clear for Turner syndrome. It is also unknown if there is a genetic predisposition present that causes the abnormality, though most researchers and doctors treating Turners women agree that this is highly unlikely. There is currently no known cause for Turner syndrome, though there are several theories surrounding the subject.


[edit] Incidence
Approximately 98% of all fetuses with Turner syndrome result in miscarriage. Turner syndrome accounts for about 10% of the total number of spontaneous abortions in the United States. The incidence of Turner syndrome in live female births is believed to be 1 in 2500.


[edit] History
The syndrome is named after Henry Turner, an Oklahoma endocrinologist, who described it in 1938.[4] In Europe, it is often called Ullrich-Turner syndrome or even Bonnevie-Ullrich-Turner syndrome to acknowledge that earlier cases had also been described by European doctors. The first published report of a female with a 45,X karyotype was in 1959 by Dr. Charles Ford and colleagues in Harwell, Oxfordshire and Guy's Hospital in London.[5] It was found in a 14-year-old girl with signs of Turner syndrome.


[edit] Diagnosis
Turner syndrome may be diagnosed by amniocentesis during pregnancy. Sometimes, fetuses with Turner syndrome are identified by abnormal ultrasound findings (i.e. heart defect, kidney abnormality, cystic hygroma, ascites). Although the recurrence risk is not increased, genetic counseling is often recommended for families who have had a pregnancy or child with Turner syndrome.

A test, called a karyotype, analyzes the chromosomal composition of the individual. This is the test of choice to diagnose Turner syndrome.


[edit] Prognosis
While most of the physical findings in Turner syndrome are harmless, there can be significant medical problems associated with the syndrome.


[edit] Cardiovascular
Price et al. (1986 study of 156 female patients with Turner syndrome) showed a significantly greater number of deaths from diseases of the circulatory system than expected, half of them due to congenital heart disease—mostly postductal coarctation of the aorta. When patients with congenital heart disease were omitted from the sample of the study, the mortality from circulatory disorders was not significantly increased.

Cardiovascular malformations are a serious concern as it is the most common cause of death in adults with Turner syndrome. It takes an important part in the 3-fold increase in overall mortality and the reduced life expectancy (up to 13 years) associated with Turner syndrome.


[edit] Cause
According to Sybert, 1998 the data is inadequate to allow conclusions about phenotype-karyotype correlations in regard to cardiovascular malformations in Turner syndrome because the number of individuals studied within the less common karyotype groups is too small. Other studies also suggest the presence of hidden mosaicisms that are not diagnosed on usual karyotypic analyses in some patients with 45,X karyotype.

In conclusion, the associations between karyotype and phenotypic characteristics, including cardiovascular malformations, remain questionable.


[edit] Prevalence of cardiovascular malformations
The prevalence of cardiovascular malformations among patients with Turner syndrome ranges from 17% (Landin-Wilhelmsen et al, 2001) to 45% (Dawson-Falk et al, 1992).

The variations found in the different studies are mainly attributable to variations in non-invasive methods used for screening and the types of lesions that they can characterize (Ho et al, 2004). However Sybert, 1998 suggests that it could be simply attributable to the small number of subjects in most studies.

Different karyotypes may have differing prevalence of cardiovascular malformations. Two studies found a prevalence of cardiovascular malformations of 30%[6] and 38%[7] in a group of pure 45,X monosomy. But considering other karyotype groups, they reported a prevalence of 24.3%[6] and 11%[7] in patients with mosaic X monosomy , and a prevalence of 11% in patients with X chromosomal structural abnormalities.[6]

The higher prevalence in the group of pure 45,X monosomy is primarily due to a significant difference in the prevalence of aortic valve abnormalities and aortic coarctation, the two most common cardiovascular malformations.


[edit] Congenital heart disease
The most commonly observed are congenital obstructive lesions of the left side of the heart, leading to reduced flow on this side of the heart. This includes bicuspid aortic valve and coarctation of the aorta. Sybert, 1998 found that more than 50% of the cardiovascular malformations observed in her study of individuals with Turner syndrome were bicuspid aortic valves or coarctation of the aorta, alone or in combination.

Other congenital cardiovascular malformations such partial anomalous venous drainage and aortic stenosis or aortic regurgitation are also more common in Turner syndrome than in the general population. Hypoplastic left heart syndrome represents the most severe reduction in left-sided structures.

Bicuspid aortic valve. Up to 15% of adults with Turner syndrome have bicuspid aortic valves, meaning that there are only two, instead of three, parts to the valves in the main blood vessel leading from the heart. Since bicuspid valves are capable of regulating blood flow properly, this condition may go undetected without regular screening. However, bicuspid valves are more likely to deteriorate and later fail. Calcification also occurs in the valves,[8] which may lead to a progressive valvular dysfunction as evidenced by aortic stenosis or regurgitation.[9]

With a prevalence from 12.5%[6] to 17.5% (Dawson-Falk et al, 1992), bicuspid aortic valve is the most common congenital malformation affecting the heart in this syndrome. It is usually isolated but it may be seen in combination with other anomalies, particularly coarctation of the aorta.

Coarctation of the aorta. Between 5% and 10% of those born with Turner syndrome have coarctation of the aorta, a congenital narrowing of the descending aorta, usually just distal to the origin of the left subclavian artery and opposite to the duct (and so termed “juxtaductal”). Estimates of the prevalence of this malformation in patients with Turner syndrome ranges from 6.9%[6] to 12.5% (Dawson-Falk et al, 1992). A coarctation of the aorta in a female is suggestive of Turner syndrome, and suggests the need for further tests, such as a karyotype.

Partial anomalous venous drainage. This abnormality is a relatively rare congenital heart disease in the general population. The prevalence of this abnormality also is low (around 2.9%) in Turner syndrome. However, its relative risk is 320 in comparison with the general population. Strangely, Turner syndrome seems to be associated with unusual forms of partial anomalous venous drainage.[6][10]

In the management of a patient with Turner syndrome it is essential to keep in mind that these left-sided cardiovascular malformations in Turner syndrome result in an increased susceptibility to bacterial endocarditis. Therefore prophylactic antibiotics should be considered when procedures with high risk endocarditis are performed, such as dental cleaning.[9]

Turner syndrome is often associated with persistent hypertension, sometimes in childhood. In the majority of Turner syndrome patients with hypertension, there is no specific cause. In the remainder, it is usually associated with cardiovascular or kidney abnormalities, including coarctation of the aorta.


[edit] Aortic dilation, dissection, and rupture
Two studies have suggested aortic dilatation in Turner syndrome, typically involving the root of the ascending aorta and occasionally extending through the aortic arch to the descending aorta, or at the site of previous coarctation of the aorta repair.[11]

Allen et al, 1986 who evaluated 28 girls with Turner syndrome, found a significantly greater mean aortic root diameter in patients with Turner syndrome than in the control group (matched for body surface area). Nonetheless, the aortic root diameter found in Turner syndrome patients were still well within the limits.[12]
This has been confirmed by the study of Dawson-Falk et al, 1992 who evaluated 40 patients with Turner syndrome.[13] They presented basically the same findings: a greater mean aortic root diameter, which nevertheless remains within the normal range for body surface area.
Sybert, 1998 points out that it remains unproven that aortic root diameters that are relatively large for body surface area but still well within normal limits imply a risk for progressive dilatation.[14]

Prevalence of aortic abnormalities
The prevalence of aortic root dilatation ranges from 8.8%[11]to 42%[9] in patients with Turner syndrome. Even if not every aortic root dilatation necessarily goes on to an aortic dissection (circumferential or transverse tear of the intima), complications such as dissection, aortic rupture resulting in death may occur. The natural history of aortic root dilatation is still unknown, but it is a fact that it is linked to aortic dissection and rupture, which has a high mortality rate.[15]

Aortic dissection affects 1% to 2% of patients with Turner syndrome. As a result any aortic root dilatation should be seriously taken into account as it could become a fatal aortic dissection. Routine surveillance is highly recommended.[9]

Risk factors for aortic rupture
It is well established that cardiovascular malformations (typically bicuspid aortic valve, coarctation of the aorta and some other left-sided cardiac malformations) and hypertension predispose to aortic dilatation and dissection in the general population. At the same time it has been shown that these risk factors are common in Turner syndrome. Indeed these same risk factors are found in more than 90% of patients with Turner syndrome who develop aortic dilatation. Only a small number of patients (around 10%) have no apparent predisposing risk factors. It is important to note that the risk of hypertension is increased 3-fold in patients with Turner syndrome. Because of its relation to aortic dissection blood pressure needs to be regularly monitored and hypertension should be treated aggressively with an aim to keep blood pressure below 140/80 mmHg. It has to be noted that as with the other cardiovascular malformations, complications of aortic dilatation is commonly associated with 45,X karyotype.[9]

Pathogenesis of aortic dissection and rupture
The exact role that all these risk factors play in the process leading to such fatal complications is still quite unclear. Aortic root dilatation is thought to be due to a mesenchymal defect as pathological evidence of cystic medial necrosis has been found by several studies. The association between a similar defect and aortic dilatation is well established in such conditions such as Marfan Syndrome. Also, abnormalities in other mesenchymal tissues (bone matrix and lymphatic vessels) suggests a similar primary mesenchymal defect in patients with Turner syndrome.[11] However there is no evidence to suggest that patients with Turner syndrome have a significantly higher risk of aortic dilatation and dissection in absence of predisposing factors. So the risk of aortic dissection in Turner syndrome appears to be a consequence of structural cardiovascular malformations and hemodynamic risk factors rather than a reflection of an inherent abnormality in connective tissue (Sybert, 1998). The natural history of aortic root dilatation is unknown, but because of its lethal potential, this aortic abnormality needs to be carefully followed.

Pregnancy
As more women with Turner syndrome complete pregnancy thanks to the new modern techniques to treat infertility, it has to be noted that pregnancy may be a risk of cardiovascular complications for the mother.Indeed several studies had suggested an increased risk for aortic dissection in pregnancy.[11] Three deaths have even been reported. The influence of estrogen has been examined but remains unclear. It seems that the high risk of aortic dissection during pregnancy in women with Turner syndrome may be due to the increased hemodynamic load rather than the high estrogen rate.[9] Of course these findings are important and need to be remembered while following a pregnant patient with Turner syndrome.

Cardiovascular malformations in Turner syndrome are also very serious, not only because of their high prevalence in that particular population but mainly because of their high lethal potential and their great implication in the increased mortality found in patients with Turner syndrome. Congenital heart disease needs to be explored in every female newly diagnosed with Turner syndrome. As adults are concerned close surveillance of blood pressure is needed to avoid a high risk of fatal complications due to aortic dissection and rupture.


[edit] Skeletal
Normal skeletal development is inhibited due to a large variety of factors, mostly hormonal. The average height of a woman with Turner syndrome, in the absence of growth hormone treatment, is 4'7", about 140 cm.

The fourth metacarpal bone (fourth toe and ring finger) may be unusually short, as may the fifth.

Due to inadequate production of estrogen, many of those with Turner syndrome develop osteoporosis. This can decrease height further, as well as exacerbate the curvature of the spine, possibly leading to scoliosis. It is also associated with an increased risk of bone fractures.


[edit] Kidney
Approximately one-third of all women with Turner syndrome have one of three kidney abnormalities:

A single, horseshoe-shaped kidney on one side of the body.
An abnormal urine-collecting system.
Poor blood flow to the kidneys.
Some of these conditions can be corrected surgically. Even with these abnormalities, the kidneys of most women with Turner syndrome function normally. However, as noted above, kidney problems may be associated with hypertension.


[edit] Thyroid
Approximately one-third of all women with Turner syndrome have a thyroid disorder. Usually it is hypothyroidism, specifically Hashimoto's thyroiditis. If detected, it can be easily treated with thyroid hormone supplements.


[edit] Diabetes
Women with Turner syndrome are at a moderately increased risk of developing type 1 diabetes in childhood and a substantially increased risk of developing type 2 diabetes by adult years. The risk of developing type 2 diabetes can be substantially reduced by maintaining a normal weight.


[edit] Cognitive
Turner syndrome does not typically cause mental retardation or impair cognition. However, learning difficulties are common among women with Turner syndrome, particularly a specific difficulty in perceiving spatial relationships, such as Nonverbal Learning Disorder. This may also manifest itself as a difficulty with motor control or with mathematics. While it is non-correctable, in most cases it does not cause difficulty in daily living.

There is also a rare variety of Turner Syndrome, known as "Ring-X Turner Syndrome", which has an approximate 60% association with mental retardation. This variety accounts for approximately 2 - 4% of all Turner Syndrome cases.[16]


[edit] Reproductive
Women with Turner syndrome are almost universally infertile. While some women with Turner syndrome have successfully become pregnant and carried their pregnancies to term, this is very rare and is generally limited to those women whose karyotypes are not 45,X.[17][18] Even when such pregnancies do occur, there is a higher than average risk of miscarriage or birth defects, including Turner Syndrome or Down Syndrome.[19] Some women with Turner syndrome who are unable to conceive without medical intervention may be able to use IVF or other fertility treatments.[20]

Usually estrogen replacement therapy is used to spur growth of secondary sexual characteristics at the time when puberty should onset. While very few women with Turner Syndrome menstruate spontaneously, estrogen therapy requires a regular shedding of the uterine lining ("withdrawal bleeding") to prevent its overgrowth. Withdrawal bleeding can be induced monthly, like menstruation, or less often, usually every three months, if the patient desires. Estrogen therapy does not make a woman with nonfunctional ovaries fertile, but it plays an important role in assisted reproduction; the health of the uterus must be maintained with estrogen if an eligible woman with Turner Syndrome wishes to use IVF.

sorry this was so long


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 09:38:08 PM
This is a very disinterested bio-mom being interviewed by NG.   She said the father told her if Haleigh missed any more school, they'd put him in jail.   But when NG asked why she was missing so much school, she said she had no idea --  not interested enough to even know that.  I know someone like that.
There was ALOT missing from her story I think... The courts favor the mother. I suspect she didnt want to share why it was in the best interest of the child.. drugs perhaps??

I read earlier today that yes, she had a drug problem.

Hi akmom!    ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Bud's Girl, how are you doing?  Not at the other place anymore?  I'm not there much.  Too much fun in the cage.

  ::MonkeyNoNo::   nope, been gone from there a while now.... come to musings thread when you have time.     ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 12, 2009, 09:38:51 PM
On the 911 tapes, Hayleigh was in pj's. Another place said t-shirt and underwear. 
Like to slap them all. Did gf have the key to the back door ? Did she use the cinder block to prop the door open when she left ? Sick kid. 17 year old nit wit GF gets to babysit evenings. And probably gets to do alot of other things that a 17 year old would not consider fun times.
Mother isn't much better in the caring department.  But she wasn't there.
I fell awful for thinking these kinds of thoughts. 
They are not being allowed back in the trailer until the tests come back.
Maybe these people are just guilty of being morons. Maybe they are just not likeable over the tv.

I agree with all this.  I remember Mark Lunsford wasn't liked at all when he was seen on tv.
I always believed Mark Lunsford. And his parents. From the instant they appeared on tv.
At that time, I thought it was someone from the neighbourhood church group as that is where Jessica had been earlier.His story never waivered, ever. Jessica was a much loved child and it came through to me. The sincerity of the family and their love for Jessica. They even had a dog ( an old one ) who didn't woof the house awake, but the love he has for Jessie just came through.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 12, 2009, 09:42:59 PM
Thanks for the definition!   Strange, from the pics I saw, I didn't see some of those symptoms from a physical stance.   Not sure, if any of those would make her miss school alot, except for the ear infections, etc...   

Any floridians going to the search?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: akmom on February 12, 2009, 09:43:44 PM
This is a very disinterested bio-mom being interviewed by NG.   She said the father told her if Haleigh missed any more school, they'd put him in jail.   But when NG asked why she was missing so much school, she said she had no idea --  not interested enough to even know that.  I know someone like that.
There was ALOT missing from her story I think... The courts favor the mother. I suspect she didnt want to share why it was in the best interest of the child.. drugs perhaps??

I read earlier today that yes, she had a drug problem.

Hi akmom!    ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Bud's Girl, how are you doing?  Not at the other place anymore?  I'm not there much.  Too much fun in the cage.

  ::MonkeyNoNo::   nope, been gone from there a while now.... come to musings thread when you have time.     ::MonkeyWink::


Ok, I'll try to be there later.  I have to take the kids to Gymnastics.  Oh, and ON TOPIC.  Poor little darling.  I am praying she is found but I do not have a good feeling about this. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 12, 2009, 09:45:59 PM
Parents whose kids miss school because the kid is sick do not go to jail.
Parents who do not take the kid to school whne the kid isn't sick might have a truant problem. He told her that to keep her from taking the kid away for her visitation. Which was on the weekend. Duh .
They are staying in a tent in the yard. The police know where everyone is and I am sure they are thinking some of the same things I am. Pursue all paths, keep 'em where you can see 'em.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 12, 2009, 09:46:33 PM
Btw, I suspect mom may have a current drug problem, such as meth... MOO based on my nursing experience

I agree.  My bet is bio mom had and has a drug problem.  Bio dad and girlfriend may also have drug problems.  I think once forensics start coming back someone is going to crack.  I don't think the girlfriend is being 100% truthful. 

I may be way off but the father's comment about getting his gun and killing someone, well what if they owed a debt to a dealer, that happens all the time. Or say they were part of a meth lab or who knows what, somehow drug related. Would someone have taken Haleigh as a hostage or a threat?

Again, I may be way off but this is definitely one that makes the hinkymeter bells go off.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 09:47:09 PM
On the 911 tapes, Hayleigh was in pj's. Another place said t-shirt and underwear. 
Like to slap them all. Did gf have the key to the back door ? Did she use the cinder block to prop the door open when she left ? Sick kid. 17 year old nit wit GF gets to babysit evenings. And probably gets to do alot of other things that a 17 year old would not consider fun times.
Mother isn't much better in the caring department.  But she wasn't there.
I fell awful for thinking these kinds of thoughts. 
They are not being allowed back in the trailer until the tests come back.
Maybe these people are just guilty of being morons. Maybe they are just not likeable over the tv.

I agree with all this.  I remember Mark Lunsford wasn't liked at all when he was seen on tv.
I always believed Mark Lunsford. And his parents. From the instant they appeared on tv.
At that time, I thought it was someone from the neighbourhood church group as that is where Jessica had been earlier.His story never waivered, ever. Jessica was a much loved child and it came through to me. The sincerity of the family and their love for Jessica. They even had a dog ( an old one ) who didn't woof the house awake, but the love he has for Jessie just came through.

I agree and I felt the same.   I hope Haleigh is much loved as well. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 09:47:11 PM
On the 911 tapes, Hayleigh was in pj's. Another place said t-shirt and underwear. 
Like to slap them all. Did gf have the key to the back door ? Did she use the cinder block to prop the door open when she left ? Sick kid. 17 year old nit wit GF gets to babysit evenings. And probably gets to do alot of other things that a 17 year old would not consider fun times.
Mother isn't much better in the caring department.  But she wasn't there.
I fell awful for thinking these kinds of thoughts. 
They are not being allowed back in the trailer until the tests come back.
Maybe these people are just guilty of being morons. Maybe they are just not likeable over the tv.

I agree with all this.  I remember Mark Lunsford wasn't liked at all when he was seen on tv.
I always believed Mark Lunsford. And his parents. From the instant they appeared on tv.
At that time, I thought it was someone from the neighbourhood church group as that is where Jessica had been earlier.His story never waivered, ever. Jessica was a much loved child and it came through to me. The sincerity of the family and their love for Jessica. They even had a dog ( an old one ) who didn't woof the house awake, but the love he has for Jessie just came through.

I agree with you about Mark and his parents, you could almost feel his pain when he was being interviewed, he was consistent and IIRC he looked directly in the camera. Wow, he has done so much in Jessica's honor and it just broke my heart when I listened to that trial. He reminds me of Tim, Mark Klaas and John Walsh, they have all turned their tragedy into something meaningful and honorable for the sake of others.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 12, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
A tent in the yard??  ::MonkeyEek::
What, KFN can't spring for a hotel room??  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Babybear on February 12, 2009, 09:52:52 PM
Nancy has a problem with the 17 yr old girlfriends story too..
I cant imagine any 17 yr old wanting to be an instant mommy to a boyfriends 2 little kids.. she isnt that much older than they are for crissakes

LOL, a seventeen year old might like the idea of being mommie until reality sets in.  Kids that age get caught up in the DRAMA of relationships.

I am kinda thinking, maybe, the girlfriend went out, or was sitting in a car in front of the house talking to friends when Haleigh disappeared.  Or could one of her old boyfriends have done it and now they are scared out of their minds?  Well, LP's $25,000.00 would bring that story out in a hurry.

I hope it isn't the Mark Lunsford case, all over again.  Why the hell did we ever move to this state?

Oh Garden Gnome--That's a beautiful little girl in your avi.  Is she yours?

When Jessica Lunsford was taken, I was sure that Mark Lunsford or the grandfather had done something to her.  I judged them by their looks and the way they talked.  I became very ashamed of myself and now I admire Mark Lunsford.  Just goes to show you.
In this case, I am trying to reserve my judgement and not make any conclusions on the criteria I used in the Lunsford case.  I understand the father has taken and passed two lie detector tests--Don't know about the girlfriend.  She's just a kid herself, but we don't know her story so the only person who is involved that I have an opinion on is George Anthony.  He is a pest and should go home.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 12, 2009, 09:55:10 PM
On the 911 tapes, Hayleigh was in pj's. Another place said t-shirt and underwear. 
Like to slap them all. Did gf have the key to the back door ? Did she use the cinder block to prop the door open when she left ? Sick kid. 17 year old nit wit GF gets to babysit evenings. And probably gets to do alot of other things that a 17 year old would not consider fun times.
Mother isn't much better in the caring department.  But she wasn't there.
I fell awful for thinking these kinds of thoughts. 
They are not being allowed back in the trailer until the tests come back.
Maybe these people are just guilty of being morons. Maybe they are just not likeable over the tv.

I am with you Kat. Maybe they are just guilty of being morons. I hate thinking the worst.

I just wish we could have a happy ending to this nightmare.

I agree.  I think they are just typical, uneducated kids.  I hate to say, they fall into the stereotypical bunch, I see.   And where the F was the gf's parents allowing her run around with a boy that age, with kids, lettingher spend the nights?  I take it, she dropped out of high school?  Just a guess..

However,  I remember, when Mark Lunsford appeared to fall in that stereotype and came out appearing to be a very caring, intelligent man, who just made some mistakes in the past.  We've all done that.  He is another hero to me.

ummm my youngest daughter ran off 2 months before her 18th b-day to shack up with a 21 year old father of 2 whom refuses to work. I did my job as a mom, I called LE,I was told that because she is almost 18,there is nothing I can do, I could report her but they admitted they would not really LOOK for her. Please do not assume her parents approve,they may,like me,like it or not,have no choice in the matter. I posted about this earlier. I am starting to feel like a terrible mother even though I know I did what I should have done,just because so many are saying these things toward the parents of that 17 year old. Do I think she should be with him? NO, do I think she should have been playing house with him and mommy to HIS children ? NO, but that is not what we are suppose to do, we are not suppose to sit in judgment because of age or what ever,we need to focus on the important factor, finding that little girl. Haleigh is the important one here,not her dads choice of gf,I do admit if gf has done something,she needs to be focused on,but there is so far no proof she did..She is a 17 year old dimwit,does not mean she harmed Haleigh. Just saying,please don't be upset with me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 12, 2009, 09:55:18 PM
A tent in the yard??  ::MonkeyEek::
What, KFN can't spring for a hotel room??  ::MonkeyNoNo::

LOL For Real!

However, I know if something like that happened to me, I'd want to be close to home, if I couldn't go in.  It would drive me crazy being away from home under those circumstances.  I wouldn't want to miss a thing!  He looks like he's tent kinda guy. So I'm sure he's fine.  There are plenty of people around to help him and would probably give him a place to stay, if he chose.   I believe he doesn't want to leave.   
Now the parents of the gf, need to step up and take control of their daughter and get her home.  They said she is staying with him too.  They could give a place to stay if nothing else.  My guess, they have NO control over her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dolce on February 12, 2009, 09:56:12 PM
I am glad that I heard the father has taken a poly and passed.  Now what about the mother and girlfriend?

Anyone to take a child from a home in the middle of the night had to of been keeping a very close eye on it and the child.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 12, 2009, 09:59:48 PM
It was reported earlier that the gf had taken and passed a poly as well.

Was that report not accurate?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 12, 2009, 10:00:45 PM
Oh Searching!  I'm not being mean about it.  My youngest put me through hell as a teen, so not judging sweety.   I'm just spouting off perceptions, right or wrong.   

There are SO many good parents, that can't always control there kids and some eventualy even wake up and turn there lives around!  I didn't mean any harm by it.  I know I did come off judgemental, and I apologize, as I can't through stones in my glass house.   I'm thinking of other family members who WERE crappy parents and how they sort of remind of me of them and I should have clarified that.  I'm not perfect, but I tried as hard as I'm sure you did and most other parents.

I'm sorry.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 12, 2009, 10:00:54 PM
yes, im sure they are already but if not, they need to check out all male friends of the father and the girlfriend, they would know when the father was at work and probably know the outline of the house and where the kids slept and so -forth..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 12, 2009, 10:01:59 PM
It was reported earlier that the gf had taken and passed a poly as well.

Was that report not accurate?

They discussed on NG tonight.  GF has actually taken two poly's.  Not sure why the 2nd one though.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: joesamas mama on February 12, 2009, 10:03:38 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Video

Father pleading for Haleigh.

I get the same reaction watching him I had watching Susan Smith.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
Just found this cage Klaas! I TOTALLY AGREE about him reminding me of Susan Smith


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 10:03:44 PM
It was reported earlier that the gf had taken and passed a poly as well.

Was that report not accurate?

A local reporter earlier on J Velez-Mitchell said that the father and the girlfriend are the ones who said they passed the test but that when she (the reporter) asked the sheriff, he declined to confirm the test results


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 10:04:06 PM
It was reported earlier that the gf had taken and passed a poly as well.

Was that report not accurate?

From what I have been able to find, the dad and GF say they passed, LE hasn't....I've been at work all day so if I'm wrong someone pls clarify..


Thanks in advance ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 12, 2009, 10:06:01 PM
It was reported earlier that the gf had taken and passed a poly as well.

Was that report not accurate?

They discussed on NG tonight.  GF has actually taken two poly's.  Not sure why the 2nd one though.

I guess they are just making sure.

I would round up all the known sex offenders in the vicinity and search their homes.  Remember how botched that was with Jessica Lundsford.  This time I would go inside, in the back yard, all around and demand an alibi from all of them.

Too many similarities.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 12, 2009, 10:06:37 PM
I finally was able to se the 17 y/o.  I'm w/some others--shades of Susan Smith, big time.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 12, 2009, 10:06:43 PM
On the 911 tapes, Hayleigh was in pj's. Another place said t-shirt and underwear. 
Like to slap them all. Did gf have the key to the back door ? Did she use the cinder block to prop the door open when she left ? Sick kid. 17 year old nit wit GF gets to babysit evenings. And probably gets to do alot of other things that a 17 year old would not consider fun times.
Mother isn't much better in the caring department.  But she wasn't there.
I fell awful for thinking these kinds of thoughts. 
They are not being allowed back in the trailer until the tests come back.
Maybe these people are just guilty of being morons. Maybe they are just not likeable over the tv.

I am with you Kat. Maybe they are just guilty of being morons. I hate thinking the worst.

I just wish we could have a happy ending to this nightmare.

I agree.  I think they are just typical, uneducated kids.  I hate to say, they fall into the stereotypical bunch, I see.   And where the F was the gf's parents allowing her run around with a boy that age, with kids, lettingher spend the nights?  I take it, she dropped out of high school?  Just a guess..

However,  I remember, when Mark Lunsford appeared to fall in that stereotype and came out appearing to be a very caring, intelligent man, who just made some mistakes in the past.  We've all done that.  He is another hero to me.

ummm my youngest daughter ran off 2 months before her 18th b-day to shack up with a 21 year old father of 2 whom refuses to work. I did my job as a mom, I called LE,I was told that because she is almost 18,there is nothing I can do, I could report her but they admitted they would not really LOOK for her. Please do not assume her parents approve,they may,like me,like it or not,have no choice in the matter. I posted about this earlier. I am starting to feel like a terrible mother even though I know I did what I should have done,just because so many are saying these things toward the parents of that 17 year old. Do I think she should be with him? NO, do I think she should have been playing house with him and mommy to HIS children ? NO, but that is not what we are suppose to do, we are not suppose to sit in judgment because of age or what ever,we need to focus on the important factor, finding that little girl. Haleigh is the important one here,not her dads choice of gf,I do admit if gf has done something,she needs to be focused on,but there is so far no proof she did..She is a 17 year old dimwit,does not mean she harmed Haleigh. Just saying,please don't be upset with me.
searching, dear monkey, I am sorry for your daughter's unfortunate choice. I never mentioned her parents, just her, the dimwit...
I am the mother of a 17 yr old who is also beginning to flex... it aint easy and you only have so much influence and control when they get to that age.. my heart goes out to you. I will pray for you for strength, and for her that her brain grows and she comes to her senses


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2009, 10:07:10 PM
Anyone know if Greta is going to cover the case?  She's on politics right now but I assumed she'd cover this case tonight too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: joesamas mama on February 12, 2009, 10:07:29 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Video

Father pleading for Haleigh.

I get the same reaction watching him I had watching Susan Smith.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
Just found this cage Klaas! I TOTALLY AGREE about him reminding me of Susan Smith
Well maybe JSM needs to read back to front. I see the dad has passed his polygraph test. Please forgive me Haleigh's dad.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JuJu on February 12, 2009, 10:07:32 PM
DI......believe.......i wish i could


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 12, 2009, 10:11:02 PM
Well, before I insert foot in mouth anymore, I'm heading off. 

I pray for this family and that this little girl is ok.   It's scary how much more often it seems to be happening.  I guess because of the media's attention more so now a days.  I do think None might have a good point about a possible drug connections?  Don't know, but dad did work and take care of his kids.   My heart aches for him.  He's so young to be going through this.  I pray his parents are strong for him.

We HAVE to get better laws and be more proactive to stop our innocent children from these horrors at the hands of adults.  I know Walsh, Lunsford, Klaas,  and many more are trying, but how many more children have to go missing?

I thank God for you Monkeys every day and being surrounded by such caring, compassionate and loving people.   One by one, we can and need to make a difference!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 12, 2009, 10:11:29 PM
according to the bio mom, she hard three different stories of who was in bed with who. one with gf and both kids, one of gf and haleigh, and finally of gf and little brother.

on ng rerun right now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 12, 2009, 10:12:24 PM
according to the bio mom, she heard three different stories of who was in bed with who. one with gf and both kids, one of gf and haleigh, and finally of gf and little brother.

on ng rerun right now.

typo edit.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 12, 2009, 10:13:03 PM
Thanks for the definition!   Strange, from the pics I saw, I didn't see some of those symptoms from a physical stance.   Not sure, if any of those would make her miss school alot, except for the ear infections, etc...   

Any floridians going to the search?

My Aunt had Turners so thanks for whomever posted that long description, I could pick out those characteristics. My mom always told me she was a rambunctious kid but always sickly. To look at Haleigh you would not notice it now but probably as she matures more. Ironically my Aunt died of Ovarian cancer... she had no ovaries.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 12, 2009, 10:13:59 PM
It was reported earlier that the gf had taken and passed a poly as well.

Was that report not accurate?

They discussed on NG tonight.  GF has actually taken two poly's.  Not sure why the 2nd one though.

I guess they are just making sure.

I would round up all the known sex offenders in the vicinity and search their homes.  Remember how botched that was with Jessica Lundsford.  This time I would go inside, in the back yard, all around and demand an alibi from all of them.

Too many similarities.



They are searching all the sex offenders homes.  They even said they are sending fresh LE out to do more searching.  They are using the Lunsford case as scenario and not taking any chances.   We just need something proactive, not have to worry about all the sex offenders amongst us.  They should ALL be in JAIL forever!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 10:14:38 PM
according to the bio mom, she hard three different stories of who was in bed with who. one with gf and both kids, one of gf and haleigh, and finally of gf and little brother.

on ng rerun right now.

Peanut, Greta has an interview with the girlfriend coming up after commercial.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 10:14:48 PM
Greta is covering it.............once the politics are over ::MonkeyConfused:: Can I just say once I AM SICK OF POLITICS AND A 2 YR RUN FOR PRESIDENT.....ENUFF ::MonkeyRoll:: Sorry, back on topic now ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 10:16:55 PM
according to the bio mom, she hard three different stories of who was in bed with who. one with gf and both kids, one of gf and haleigh, and finally of gf and little brother.

on ng rerun right now.

Peanut, Greta has an interview with the girlfriend coming up after commercial.

oh good grief, they made it look like coming up right after the commercial, but noooo...more politics.  Scuse me, I'm sick of politics for time being. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 10:16:55 PM
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090212/ARTICLES/902120919/-1/SPORTS?Title=Family_divisions_evident_as_search_for_Haleigh_continues

Family divisions evident as search for Haleigh continues

By Joe Callahan
Staff Writer


Published: Thursday, February 12, 2009 at 6:21 p.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, February 12, 2009 at 6:21 p.m.
PALATKA - Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, could be heard criticizing the missing 5-year-old's father and his girlfriend during a TV interview late Thursday afternoon.

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Earlier in the day, the father, Ronald Cummings, 24, and girlfriend, Misty Croslin, 17 - had made a point of publicly defending themselves in front of the cameras. Cummings had stressed that he and Croslin had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

They had attempted to clear up "misleading" reports that Haleigh had been in the same bed as Croslin Monday night when the girl was reported missing.

Later, after telling a television crew that someone was lying, Griffis clarified her opinion.

"She just didn't disappear into thin air," Griffis said. "Somebody knows where she's at. ... I think someone is lying."

Specifically, she thinks Cummings and Croslin aren't telling the whole story and that there's something odd about their assertion that the house was broken into even though there were reportedly no signs of a break-in.

"I know in my heart that Haleigh is still alive," Griffis said. "I don't know how to explain it to anybody, but I just know that she's out there."

Haleigh's mother's side of the family planned a candlelight vigil at 7:30 p.m. at Tyler Street and East Buffalo Bluff Road. Not far away, at 8:30 p.m., her father's family planned another vigil.

In the Putnam County community near Satsuma, there were signs declaring concern and hope on cars and elsewhere.

On the front of Griffis' black Ford F-250 was a sign and a small white teddy bear with a red heart that said, "I love you."

"Please bring my granddaughter home," the sign said. "She's our HEART. We love and miss our Haleigh Bug - she's my Doodle. Nana loves you." There was also a Bible citation: Jeremiah 31:15-17.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 12, 2009, 10:17:52 PM
Well, I may be wrong but that dad has me fooled completely if he had anything to do with this.  Tears are dripping off his face and he crumbles every so often, eyelids swollen.  Also scar from previous injury and I suspect his right eye is not perfectly aligned may be why it seems he is not making eye contact with the camera.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: EverySunset on February 12, 2009, 10:18:43 PM
And Nancy Grace butchers Haleigh's name like she does Caylee's. "H-yellee and K-yellee." Yes, I just heard the dad and gf are staying in a tent?! Why?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 12, 2009, 10:18:55 PM
Greta is covering it.............once the politics are over ::MonkeyConfused:: Can I just say once I AM SICK OF POLITICS AND A 2 YR RUN FOR PRESIDENT.....ENUFF ::MonkeyRoll:: Sorry, back on topic now ::MonkeyTongue::


Agreed!  I miss watching Greta because I am sooooo sick of Politics!  They have enough programs to cover it.  I want her back to what she was good at!  I depend souly on NG now and that's tough because she's so rude and interrupts her panel and interviewees.  Plus they cut her off early for local news.   But she does ask the tough questions!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 12, 2009, 10:19:16 PM
according to the bio mom, she hard three different stories of who was in bed with who. one with gf and both kids, one of gf and haleigh, and finally of gf and little brother.

on ng rerun right now.

Peanut, Greta has an interview with the girlfriend coming up after commercial.

oh thank you! i just changed it and it looks like im just in time. newts still talking.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 12, 2009, 10:20:17 PM
It was reported earlier that the gf had taken and passed a poly as well.

Was that report not accurate?

They discussed on NG tonight.  GF has actually taken two poly's.  Not sure why the 2nd one though.

I guess they are just making sure.

I would round up all the known sex offenders in the vicinity and search their homes.  Remember how botched that was with Jessica Lundsford.  This time I would go inside, in the back yard, all around and demand an alibi from all of them.

Too many similarities.



They are searching all the sex offenders homes.  They even said they are sending fresh LE out to do more searching.  They are using the Lunsford case as scenario and not taking any chances.   We just need something proactive, not have to worry about all the sex offenders amongst us.  They should ALL be in JAIL forever!


Good!

All it takes is one walking by an unlocked door.  Pedophiles can't be cured and should be locked up somewhere at all times.

.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 12, 2009, 10:21:30 PM
Well, before I insert foot in mouth anymore, I'm heading off. 

I pray for this family and that this little girl is ok.   It's scary how much more often it seems to be happening.  I guess because of the media's attention more so now a days.  I do think None might have a good point about a possible drug connections?  Don't know, but dad did work and take care of his kids.   My heart aches for him.  He's so young to be going through this.  I pray his parents are strong for him.

We HAVE to get better laws and be more proactive to stop our innocent children from these horrors at the hands of adults.  I know Walsh, Lunsford, Klaas,  and many more are trying, but how many more children have to go missing?

I thank God for you Monkeys every day and being surrounded by such caring, compassionate and loving people.   One by one, we can and need to make a difference!

Hi Dihannah-

Good to 'see' you and I really didn't mean to speculate the father doesn't love his daughter, not at all. I think these parents are so young, the girlfriend is so young and if you are involved in drugs it can take over your life with impacts you aren't prepared to deal with. That's really all that I meant by my remarks. I think we all pray this child is found, alive and well, that's the most important thing.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 12, 2009, 10:22:51 PM
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090212/ARTICLES/902120919/-1/SPORTS?Title=Family_divisions_evident_as_search_for_Haleigh_continues

Family divisions evident as search for Haleigh continues

By Joe Callahan
Staff Writer


Published: Thursday, February 12, 2009 at 6:21 p.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, February 12, 2009 at 6:21 p.m.
PALATKA - Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, could be heard criticizing the missing 5-year-old's father and his girlfriend during a TV interview late Thursday afternoon.

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Earlier in the day, the father, Ronald Cummings, 24, and girlfriend, Misty Croslin, 17 - had made a point of publicly defending themselves in front of the cameras. Cummings had stressed that he and Croslin had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

They had attempted to clear up "misleading" reports that Haleigh had been in the same bed as Croslin Monday night when the girl was reported missing.

Later, after telling a television crew that someone was lying, Griffis clarified her opinion.

"She just didn't disappear into thin air," Griffis said. "Somebody knows where she's at. ... I think someone is lying."

Specifically, she thinks Cummings and Croslin aren't telling the whole story and that there's something odd about their assertion that the house was broken into even though there were reportedly no signs of a break-in.

"I know in my heart that Haleigh is still alive," Griffis said. "I don't know how to explain it to anybody, but I just know that she's out there."

Haleigh's mother's side of the family planned a candlelight vigil at 7:30 p.m. at Tyler Street and East Buffalo Bluff Road. Not far away, at 8:30 p.m., her father's family planned another vigil.

In the Putnam County community near Satsuma, there were signs declaring concern and hope on cars and elsewhere.

On the front of Griffis' black Ford F-250 was a sign and a small white teddy bear with a red heart that said, "I love you."

"Please bring my granddaughter home," the sign said. "She's our HEART. We love and miss our Haleigh Bug - she's my Doodle. Nana loves you." There was also a Bible citation: Jeremiah 31:15-17.




Ok, I gotta go, I'm going to cry.  This is all to eerily close in dates, locations and ages of little girls.  It's heart wrenching.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 12, 2009, 10:24:33 PM
Well, before I insert foot in mouth anymore, I'm heading off. 

I pray for this family and that this little girl is ok.   It's scary how much more often it seems to be happening.  I guess because of the media's attention more so now a days.  I do think None might have a good point about a possible drug connections?  Don't know, but dad did work and take care of his kids.   My heart aches for him.  He's so young to be going through this.  I pray his parents are strong for him.

We HAVE to get better laws and be more proactive to stop our innocent children from these horrors at the hands of adults.  I know Walsh, Lunsford, Klaas,  and many more are trying, but how many more children have to go missing?

I thank God for you Monkeys every day and being surrounded by such caring, compassionate and loving people.   One by one, we can and need to make a difference!

Hi Dihannah-

Good to 'see' you and I really didn't mean to speculate the father doesn't love his daughter, not at all. I think these parents are so young, the girlfriend is so young and if you are involved in drugs it can take over your life with impacts you aren't prepared to deal with. That's really all that I meant by my remarks. I think we all pray this child is found, alive and well, that's the most important thing.



Hi Nonesy,

I've missed you and so glad to see you!  Hope things are well.

I knew what you meant and I totally agree!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 10:25:05 PM
It was reported earlier that the gf had taken and passed a poly as well.

Was that report not accurate?

They discussed on NG tonight.  GF has actually taken two poly's.  Not sure why the 2nd one though.

I guess they are just making sure.

I would round up all the known sex offenders in the vicinity and search their homes.  Remember how botched that was with Jessica Lundsford.  This time I would go inside, in the back yard, all around and demand an alibi from all of them.

Too many similarities.



They are searching all the sex offenders homes.  They even said they are sending fresh LE out to do more searching.  They are using the Lunsford case as scenario and not taking any chances.   We just need something proactive, not have to worry about all the sex offenders amongst us.  They should ALL be in JAIL forever!


Good!

All it takes is one walking by an unlocked door.  Pedophiles can't be cured and should be locked up somewhere at all times.

.

Agreed~i think they should all be banished to another Island for the rest of their lives.......that or shot JMO.

However, that being said this bothers me:

Earlier today, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said that investigators have collected evidence from Cummings' mobile home but would not describe the evidence.

"I can't discuss what evidence was taken into custody," Hardy said. "I don't want to reveal what was found or not found."

The evidence has since been sent to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement Regional Crime Lab for analysis.

Speaking with Fox News, Putnam County Sheriff's Office Capt. Steve Rose confirmed reports that there have been prior problems with Cummings, Croslin, and the children. He refused to elaborate on what the problems were, saying only, "There have been some investigations done through the Department of Children and Families," Rose said.


http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/florida-police-say-haleigh-cummings-was-abducted.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 10:25:32 PM

Ok, I gotta go, I'm going to cry.  This is all to eerily close in dates, locations and ages of little girls.  It's heart wrenching.

and her name is Haleigh Marie


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 12, 2009, 10:30:46 PM
ah. in part of a video interview the gf mistie says ' i loved that little girl like she was my own' . past tense of love.

ouch. thats not too good.


Peanut I agree w/you on its face re. the girl using past tense.

I thought I also heard her say something like she didn't have anything to do with it--can't recall exactly darn it--and possibly a different interview.

On the other side of the coin is folks who don't care much about language/grammar and are quite creative about it.  I'd be more concerned about such a slip w/someone who speak the "King's English".     ::MonkeyWink::

Foggy[/color]


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 12, 2009, 10:32:34 PM
On the 911 tapes, Hayleigh was in pj's. Another place said t-shirt and underwear. 
Like to slap them all. Did gf have the key to the back door ? Did she use the cinder block to prop the door open when she left ? Sick kid. 17 year old nit wit GF gets to babysit evenings. And probably gets to do alot of other things that a 17 year old would not consider fun times.
Mother isn't much better in the caring department.  But she wasn't there.
I fell awful for thinking these kinds of thoughts. 
They are not being allowed back in the trailer until the tests come back.
Maybe these people are just guilty of being morons. Maybe they are just not likeable over the tv.

I am with you Kat. Maybe they are just guilty of being morons. I hate thinking the worst.

I just wish we could have a happy ending to this nightmare.

I agree.  I think they are just typical, uneducated kids.  I hate to say, they fall into the stereotypical bunch, I see.   And where the F was the gf's parents allowing her run around with a boy that age, with kids, lettingher spend the nights?  I take it, she dropped out of high school?  Just a guess..

However,  I remember, when Mark Lunsford appeared to fall in that stereotype and came out appearing to be a very caring, intelligent man, who just made some mistakes in the past.  We've all done that.  He is another hero to me.

ummm my youngest daughter ran off 2 months before her 18th b-day to shack up with a 21 year old father of 2 whom refuses to work. I did my job as a mom, I called LE,I was told that because she is almost 18,there is nothing I can do, I could report her but they admitted they would not really LOOK for her. Please do not assume her parents approve,they may,like me,like it or not,have no choice in the matter. I posted about this earlier. I am starting to feel like a terrible mother even though I know I did what I should have done,just because so many are saying these things toward the parents of that 17 year old. Do I think she should be with him? NO, do I think she should have been playing house with him and mommy to HIS children ? NO, but that is not what we are suppose to do, we are not suppose to sit in judgment because of age or what ever,we need to focus on the important factor, finding that little girl. Haleigh is the important one here,not her dads choice of gf,I do admit if gf has done something,she needs to be focused on,but there is so far no proof she did..She is a 17 year old dimwit,does not mean she harmed Haleigh. Just saying,please don't be upset with me.
searching, dear monkey, I am sorry for your daughter's unfortunate choice. I never mentioned her parents, just her, the dimwit...
I am the mother of a 17 yr old who is also beginning to flex... it aint easy and you only have so much influence and control when they get to that age.. my heart goes out to you. I will pray for you for strength, and for her that her brain grows and she comes to her senses

I wont tell you about the call I got from her crying,asking me how *he* is going to support his 2 children her and their upcoming child...ugg my heart sank...and admittedly, I asked her where her brain was because she has made stupid choices. She dropped out of college to support him and his 2 children. Their bio mother is only 17, JUST turned 17 I might add and has the 2 year old daughter and almost 1 year old son,well,she birthed them,he and my daughter have them... uggggg. Thank you for the prayers,much needed and appreciated.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 12, 2009, 10:34:25 PM
Greta is interviewing Misty right now for those of you on the west coast.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 10:36:51 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: Why doesn't this gf look in the freaking camera??? O/T kinda - reagrding sex offenders I support this bill wholeheartedly and think everyone should. This case was beyond tragic and so preventable:

Christopher Barrios Law
The Justice For Christopher foundation has been set up in Christopher's honor to help fight for tougher laws against sex offenders in the state of Georgia. They are pushing for a bill, called the Christopher Barrios Law or No Second Chances, that will sentence anyone convicted of child molestation to life imprisonment and if the child dies during the commission of the act, they will receive the death penalty.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 12, 2009, 10:39:56 PM
It looks like Ronald is just cringing as Misti attempts to answer Greta's questions.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 12, 2009, 10:40:55 PM
Did Misti just say that Haleigh was on a separate bed, but in the same room?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 12, 2009, 10:41:52 PM
ah. in part of a video interview the gf mistie says ' i loved that little girl like she was my own' . past tense of love.

ouch. thats not too good.


Peanut I agree w/you on its face re. the girl using past tense.

I thought I also heard her say something like she didn't have anything to do with it--can't recall exactly darn it--and possibly a different interview.

On the other side of the coin is folks who don't care much about language/grammar and are quite creative about it.  I'd be more concerned about such a slip w/someone who speak the "King's English".     ::MonkeyWink::

Foggy[/color]


true foggy, its a toss up between her being a little dimwit and actually doing something wrong.

the 911 call is just weird. she doesnt even know if the door was broken into, she has to ask the dad. he then says it hasnt. reports say no break in.
i guess im just having a hard time wrapping my mind around it being a predator who stalks and lets himself in, only to take the time to then prop open the door and turn on the kitchen light.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 10:41:56 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll:: Ok, a freaking locksmith picked the lock, yeah and I'm the queen of England.

Now, gf says child was sleeping 4 inches apart in front of tv-then geet apart........HELLO, were u even home that night??? Now they are contradicting each other. She looks so out of it and now I can't even hear her speak, anyone catch what she said?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 12, 2009, 10:44:01 PM
It looks like Ronald is just cringing as Misti attempts to answer Greta's questions.

I agree tcumom, something here just isn't right.

If Misty's brother, nephews, and the A/C person came over at 5 so there's no chance any of those people might have opened that back door?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 10:44:26 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: Ok, a freaking locksmith picked the lock, yeah and I'm the queen of England.

Now, gf says child was sleeping 4 inches apart in front of tv-then geet apart........HELLO, were u even home that night??? Now they are contradicting each other. She looks so out of it and now I can't even hear her speak, anyone catch what she said?

She did look totally out of it, they both looked kinda robotic.  She first said 3-4 inches, then changed it to feet.  Greta asked her to hold up her hands and show how far away she was from Haleigh's bed.  She said about the distance from where she was sitting to where the dad was sitting.  He said no, he knows the distance of the beds.  She said well she was measuring or anything.    ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 12, 2009, 10:45:39 PM
Greta is interviewing Misty right now for those of you on the west coast.....


Thanks, I just switched over from NG.  The 17 y/o is like a 10 y/o.  She seems to be aping Ronald previous responses about things esp re. only using that door to vacuum out car.  I noticed him looking sideways at her and not in a loving way if you know what I mean.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

My hinky meter is at 9 re. the 17 y/o.  I don't like her inability to just tell what she knows, the fidgeting, closing her eyes during other interview I saw (ala Susan Smith) and a few other things.  I'd love to be wrong, but I have serious misgivings about the 17 y/o.

Where's Haleigh?!?

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 10:48:35 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: Ok, a freaking locksmith picked the lock, yeah and I'm the queen of England.

Now, gf says child was sleeping 4 inches apart in front of tv-then geet apart........HELLO, were u even home that night??? Now they are contradicting each other. She looks so out of it and now I can't even hear her speak, anyone catch what she said?

She did look totally out of it, they both looked kinda robotic.  She first said 3-4 inches, then changed it to feet.  Greta asked her to hold up her hands and show how far away she was from Haleigh's bed.  She said about the distance from where she was sitting to where the dad was sitting.  He said no, he knows the distance of the beds.  She said well she was measuring or anything.    ::MonkeyConfused::

Robotic~That is the word I have been looking for, and you're right. You think you'd see some emotion by now ::MonkeyNoNo:: And FTLOG, I know she knows where that baby was sleeping that night. Hit me with the next story plssss.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 12, 2009, 10:48:38 PM
yikes.. I see big problems.. her affect is way off.. sometimes flat, sometimes defiant looking.. they better be looking at her REALLY good.. I am not feeling the love for her AT ALL  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 12, 2009, 10:50:15 PM
And, did y'all hear Ronald speak really low and tell her to look at the camera ~ she said "I am" . . . too interesting.  That was at the very beginning.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: always 1 on February 12, 2009, 10:50:17 PM

Ok, I gotta go, I'm going to cry.  This is all to eerily close in dates, locations and ages of little girls.  It's heart wrenching.

and her name is Haleigh Marie
Are you serious????  I hadnt heard that!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JuJu on February 12, 2009, 10:50:20 PM
::MonkeyEek:: Why doesn't this gf look in the freaking camera??? O/T kinda - regarding sex offenders I support this bill wholeheartedly and think everyone should. This case was beyond tragic and so preventable:

Christopher Barrios Law
The Justice For Christopher foundation has been set up in Christopher's honor to help fight for tougher laws against sex offenders in the state of Georgia. They are pushing for a bill, called the Christopher Barrios Law or No Second Chances, that will sentence anyone convicted of child molestation to life imprisonment and if the child dies during the commission of the act, they will receive the death penalty.




the sad fact of the matter is that there are millions of sexual predators that have never been arrested or convicted..........and they keep doing it over and over again...they cannot be rehabilitated and they never stop


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 12, 2009, 10:51:40 PM
And now Ladies and Gentlemen, for your comic relief, its an angry George Anthony with his face in the camera saying it isnt about him and the Cummings can go to him, Cindy or Lee...  ::MonkeyHaHa::
George, go the f**k home...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 12, 2009, 10:53:23 PM
I agree tcumom, something here just isn't right.

If Misty's brother, nephews, and the A/C person came over at 5 so there's no chance any of those people might have opened that back door?
I read somewhere today, that the A/C guy is cleared.  She seemed to hesitate when Greta asked about anyone visiting that afternoon.  Of course, she seems to hesitate over every answer. 

Not making fun, but if she's not heavily medicated, I wonder if she might have some problems.  Please, don't anyone think I'm being cruel.  Misty just reminds me of some of my students.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 10:54:10 PM
::MonkeyEek:: Why doesn't this gf look in the freaking camera??? O/T kinda - regarding sex offenders I support this bill wholeheartedly and think everyone should. This case was beyond tragic and so preventable:

Christopher Barrios Law
The Justice For Christopher foundation has been set up in Christopher's honor to help fight for tougher laws against sex offenders in the state of Georgia. They are pushing for a bill, called the Christopher Barrios Law or No Second Chances, that will sentence anyone convicted of child molestation to life imprisonment and if the child dies during the commission of the act, they will receive the death penalty.




the sad fact of the matter is that there are millions of sexual predators that have never been arrested or convicted..........and they keep doing it over and over again...they cannot be rehabilitated and they never stop

I know that for sure, and when they count the 44 that ARE registered, that says nothing about the non-complaint ones like Couey or those that haven't been caught yet, add those numbers up and it probably quadruples. I'm all for the death penalty for them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 10:56:13 PM

Ok, I gotta go, I'm going to cry.  This is all to eerily close in dates, locations and ages of little girls.  It's heart wrenching.

and her name is Haleigh Marie
Are you serious????  I hadnt heard that!!!!

yep ... 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 12, 2009, 10:58:14 PM
::MonkeyEek:: Why doesn't this gf look in the freaking camera??? O/T kinda - regarding sex offenders I support this bill wholeheartedly and think everyone should. This case was beyond tragic and so preventable:

Christopher Barrios Law
The Justice For Christopher foundation has been set up in Christopher's honor to help fight for tougher laws against sex offenders in the state of Georgia. They are pushing for a bill, called the Christopher Barrios Law or No Second Chances, that will sentence anyone convicted of child molestation to life imprisonment and if the child dies during the commission of the act, they will receive the death penalty.




the sad fact of the matter is that there are millions of sexual predators that have never been arrested or convicted..........and they keep doing it over and over again...they cannot be rehabilitated and they never stop

I know that for sure, and when they count the 44 that ARE registered, that says nothing about the non-complaint ones like Couey or those that haven't been caught yet, add those numbers up and it probably quadruples. I'm all for the death penalty for them.

ita. they said tonight that the average sex offender(pedophile) is usually actively committing crimes against children for 17 years before they actually end up in jail!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 12, 2009, 10:58:40 PM
And, did y'all hear Ronald speak really low and tell her to look at the camera ~ she said "I am" . . . too interesting.  That was at the very beginning.


Yes, she looked stoned to me, if that's ok to say.  And with them side by side like that, she looked like his little sister instead of his girlfriend.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: always 1 on February 12, 2009, 11:01:46 PM
I have only seen pictures of the little girl.  Do we have any online pictures of the others yet???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 12, 2009, 11:05:29 PM
And, did y'all hear Ronald speak really low and tell her to look at the camera ~ she said "I am" . . . too interesting.  That was at the very beginning.


Yes, she looked stoned to me, if that's ok to say.  And with them side by side like that, she looked like his little sister instead of his girlfriend.   
I bolded that part of your comment ~ yes, and she seemed to act like a little sister/young child.  There is something *off* in the way they interact.  Strange.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2009, 11:10:18 PM
Anyone have their exact address on Green Lane?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JuJu on February 12, 2009, 11:10:30 PM
::MonkeyEek:: Why doesn't this gf look in the freaking camera??? O/T kinda - regarding sex offenders I support this bill wholeheartedly and think everyone should. This case was beyond tragic and so preventable:

Christopher Barrios Law
The Justice For Christopher foundation has been set up in Christopher's honor to help fight for tougher laws against sex offenders in the state of Georgia. They are pushing for a bill, called the Christopher Barrios Law or No Second Chances, that will sentence anyone convicted of child molestation to life imprisonment and if the child dies during the commission of the act, they will receive the death penalty.




the sad fact of the matter is that there are millions of sexual predators that have never been arrested or convicted..........and they keep doing it over and over again...they cannot be rehabilitated and they never stop

I know that for sure, and when they count the 44 that ARE registered, that says nothing about the non-complaint ones like Couey or those that haven't been caught yet, add those numbers up and it probably quadruples. I'm all for the death penalty for them.

they should get the death penalty because the kill the soul of a child


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 11:11:10 PM
And, did y'all hear Ronald speak really low and tell her to look at the camera ~ she said "I am" . . . too interesting.  That was at the very beginning.


Yes, she looked stoned to me, if that's ok to say.  And with them side by side like that, she looked like his little sister instead of his girlfriend.   
I bolded that part of your comment ~ yes, and she seemed to act like a little sister/young child.  There is something *off* in the way they interact.  Strange.


There is no way in h@ll she's mature or even capable of taking care of two small children IMO, she can't even answer a question. I wonder if she's scared of him by chance. I thought I read somewher he called her a f@cking dumb biatch.....any monkey remember?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 12, 2009, 11:11:44 PM
George Anthony, your Mumma is calling you !
Go home right now and step away from this family. I am sick to death of you and your evil show boating family.
Go home and write to your daughter. Make her a valentines card out of duct tape and sticky red hearts. 
Your reality tv show was cancelled due to the over acting and terrible lines, not to mention ugliness on the part of the entire cast. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 11:16:08 PM
::MonkeyEek:: Why doesn't this gf look in the freaking camera??? O/T kinda - regarding sex offenders I support this bill wholeheartedly and think everyone should. This case was beyond tragic and so preventable:

Christopher Barrios Law
The Justice For Christopher foundation has been set up in Christopher's honor to help fight for tougher laws against sex offenders in the state of Georgia. They are pushing for a bill, called the Christopher Barrios Law or No Second Chances, that will sentence anyone convicted of child molestation to life imprisonment and if the child dies during the commission of the act, they will receive the death penalty.




the sad fact of the matter is that there are millions of sexual predators that have never been arrested or convicted..........and they keep doing it over and over again...they cannot be rehabilitated and they never stop

I know that for sure, and when they count the 44 that ARE registered, that says nothing about the non-complaint ones like Couey or those that haven't been caught yet, add those numbers up and it probably quadruples. I'm all for the death penalty for them.

they should get the death penalty because the kill the soul of a child

JuJu~That is perfectly stated. That is exactly what they do while getting perverse pleasure, they destroy the child's soul core being, and that's very hard to reverse. I remeber one time Mark Lunsford stated he often wondered if Jessica wasn't better off than those who lived thru this type of attack due to the never ending pain they cause, I am grateful my son did live thru it and when I heard those words from a man who lost everything I balled like a baby. In no way do I think death is better, but I know he feels for all kids who have lived thru this type experience ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 12, 2009, 11:16:17 PM
George Anthony, your Mumma is calling you !
Go home right now and step away from this family. I am sick to death of you and your evil show boating family.
Go home and write to your daughter. Make her a valentines card out of duct tape and sticky red hearts. 
Your reality tv show was cancelled due to the over acting and terrible lines, not to mention ugliness on the part of the entire cast. 
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 12, 2009, 11:18:58 PM
ah. in part of a video interview the gf mistie says ' i loved that little girl like she was my own' . past tense of love.

ouch. thats not too good.


Peanut I agree w/you on its face re. the girl using past tense.

I thought I also heard her say something like she didn't have anything to do with it--can't recall exactly darn it--and possibly a different interview.

On the other side of the coin is folks who don't care much about language/grammar and are quite creative about it.  I'd be more concerned about such a slip w/someone who speak the "King's English".     ::MonkeyWink::

Foggy[/color]


true foggy, its a toss up between her being a little dimwit and actually doing something wrong.

the 911 call is just weird. she doesnt even know if the door was broken into, she has to ask the dad. he then says it hasnt. reports say no break in.
i guess im just having a hard time wrapping my mind around it being a predator who stalks and lets himself in, only to take the time to then prop open the door and turn on the kitchen light.


Oh, I'm with ya', Peanut.

Re. a 17 y/o playing caretaker/surrogate mama while bf goes to work:  sorry, but did that boy know how many sex offenders are within a scarily close radius to his home? 

Overnight babysitting for an older teen is good stuff.  I did so when I was young.  But not w/out a support system within reach.  Babies raising babies... :gaah:


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 12, 2009, 11:22:12 PM
If I don't stop posting, my keyboard will be taken away, so goodnight. I am going to pray for this little girl, who also deserves better than this.
Haleigh, people love you and want you found. Please God, make this one come out alright. Amen. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 12, 2009, 11:26:06 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: Ok, a freaking locksmith picked the lock, yeah and I'm the queen of England.

Now, gf says child was sleeping 4 inches apart in front of tv-then geet apart........HELLO, were u even home that night??? Now they are contradicting each other. She looks so out of it and now I can't even hear her speak, anyone catch what she said?


Dear Island (aka Queen of England  :salut:),

The "freaking locksmith" is a one-armed nanny w/a slim jim and a cinderblock, no tattoos and a little shorter than GA.

The 17 y/o is way out of her league imho. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 12, 2009, 11:27:29 PM
There is no way in h@ll she's mature or even capable of taking care of two small children IMO, she can't even answer a question. I wonder if she's scared of him by chance. I thought I read somewher he called her a f@cking dumb biatch.....any monkey remember?
Yep ~ I read that was quoted in the original police report.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 11:30:27 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: Ok, a freaking locksmith picked the lock, yeah and I'm the queen of England.

Now, gf says child was sleeping 4 inches apart in front of tv-then geet apart........HELLO, were u even home that night??? Now they are contradicting each other. She looks so out of it and now I can't even hear her speak, anyone catch what she said?

 Dear Island (aka Queen of England  :salut:),

The "freaking locksmith" is a one-armed nanny w/a slim jim and a cinderblock, no tattoos and a little shorter than GA.

The 17 y/o is way out of her league imho. 




::MonkeyLaugh:: I'm sorry to laugh so hard, but I'm trying to invison a locksmith with one arm and just spit coke all over the keyboard ::MonkeyTongue::




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 12, 2009, 11:33:41 PM
And, did y'all hear Ronald speak really low and tell her to look at the camera ~ she said "I am" . . . too interesting.  That was at the very beginning.


Yes, she looked stoned to me, if that's ok to say.  And with them side by side like that, she looked like his little sister instead of his girlfriend.   
I bolded that part of your comment ~ yes, and she seemed to act like a little sister/young child.  There is something *off* in the way they interact.  Strange.


There is no way in h@ll she's mature or even capable of taking care of two small children IMO, she can't even answer a question. I wonder if she's scared of him by chance. I thought I read somewher he called her a f@cking dumb biatch.....any monkey remember?

Yes it was either a CNN or ABC link sorry I don't remember, but yep he suuurree did.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 12, 2009, 11:35:43 PM
Since this girls name is so simuliar to Caylee's, I wonder where Lee was that night, hmmmmmmm ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JuJu on February 12, 2009, 11:36:37 PM
::MonkeyEek:: Why doesn't this gf look in the freaking camera??? O/T kinda - regarding sex offenders I support this bill wholeheartedly and think everyone should. This case was beyond tragic and so preventable:

Christopher Barrios Law
The Justice For Christopher foundation has been set up in Christopher's honor to help fight for tougher laws against sex offenders in the state of Georgia. They are pushing for a bill, called the Christopher Barrios Law or No Second Chances, that will sentence anyone convicted of child molestation to life imprisonment and if the child dies during the commission of the act, they will receive the death penalty.




the sad fact of the matter is that there are millions of sexual predators that have never been arrested or convicted..........and they keep doing it over and over again...they cannot be rehabilitated and they never stop

I know that for sure, and when they count the 44 that ARE registered, that says nothing about the non-complaint ones like Couey or those that haven't been caught yet, add those numbers up and it probably quadruples. I'm all for the death penalty for them.

they should get the death penalty because the kill the soul of a child

JuJu~That is perfectly stated. That is exactly what they do while getting perverse pleasure, they destroy the child's soul core being, and that's very hard to reverse. I remeber one time Mark Lunsford stated he often wondered if Jessica wasn't better off than those who lived thru this type of attack due to the never ending pain they cause, I am grateful my son did live thru it and when I heard those words from a man who lost everything I balled like a baby. In no way do I think death is better, but I know he feels for all kids who have lived thru this type experience ::MonkeyNoNo::


I understand perfectly if you had rather not talk about it......but how old was your son?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 12, 2009, 11:39:03 PM
yikes.. I see big problems.. her affect is way off.. sometimes flat, sometimes defiant looking.. they better be looking at her REALLY good.. I am not feeling the love for her AT ALL  ::MonkeyNoNo::


I'm going back to what I said last night.  If it were me/my husband who'd "lost" our child,  we wouldn't be hanging out for interviews or lollygagging in a tent or otherwhere.  We would have gone nuts looking for her, and like a poster mentioned earlier re. the lost child on the beach, our screaming our childs name would have continued until our voices gave out and we collapsed from exhaustion.

Its too heartbreaking to even imagine...so that's why "affect" and these ridiculous interviews tick me off to no end...and certainly color my opinions. 

A picture does tell a thousand words (I think).

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 12, 2009, 11:39:52 PM
::MonkeyEek:: Why doesn't this gf look in the freaking camera??? O/T kinda - regarding sex offenders I support this bill wholeheartedly and think everyone should. This case was beyond tragic and so preventable:

Christopher Barrios Law
The Justice For Christopher foundation has been set up in Christopher's honor to help fight for tougher laws against sex offenders in the state of Georgia. They are pushing for a bill, called the Christopher Barrios Law or No Second Chances, that will sentence anyone convicted of child molestation to life imprisonment and if the child dies during the commission of the act, they will receive the death penalty.




the sad fact of the matter is that there are millions of sexual predators that have never been arrested or convicted..........and they keep doing it over and over again...they cannot be rehabilitated and they never stop

I know that for sure, and when they count the 44 that ARE registered, that says nothing about the non-complaint ones like Couey or those that haven't been caught yet, add those numbers up and it probably quadruples. I'm all for the death penalty for them.

they should get the death penalty because the kill the soul of a child

JuJu~That is perfectly stated. That is exactly what they do while getting perverse pleasure, they destroy the child's soul core being, and that's very hard to reverse. I remeber one time Mark Lunsford stated he often wondered if Jessica wasn't better off than those who lived thru this type of attack due to the never ending pain they cause, I am grateful my son did live thru it and when I heard those words from a man who lost everything I balled like a baby. In no way do I think death is better, but I know he feels for all kids who have lived thru this type experience ::MonkeyNoNo::


I understand perfectly if you had rather not talk about it......but how old was your son?

3 yrs old. I don't mind talking about it, frankly had I known what to look for, maybe it wouldn't have happened more than once...but, people are too afraid to talk about it and that just perpetuates the ability of these pervs trying to destroy our children.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 12, 2009, 11:41:01 PM
Anyone have their exact address on Green Lane?

No I think they learned from 4937 Hopespring drive to redact that info going forward. That said I have heard Green Lane and also River Villa Dr. Here is a link to google with Hermits Cove Area Satsuma which lists the area :

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112207365672542480712.000455b4884de4fdc7516

Here is the Sex Offender info:

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do

I don't know how current and I haven't linked any SO up with immediate area...seems to me it is not updated. but HTH


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 12, 2009, 11:41:15 PM
Anyone have their exact address on Green Lane?

My first time over on this thread and I apologize, I have not read the posts yet .. but as I was looking for this information, I came across this photo gallery: http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/021009missinggirl/indexGallery.htm

If it has been posted, I apologize.

I am just now getting up to speed about this case.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 12, 2009, 11:43:14 PM
I have only seen pictures of the little girl.  Do we have any online pictures of the others yet???

Heres some good sources:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-haleigh-cummings-photos,0,705399.photogallery

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18690324/detail.html#-


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 12, 2009, 11:46:44 PM
I agree tcumom, something here just isn't right.

If Misty's brother, nephews, and the A/C person came over at 5 so there's no chance any of those people might have opened that back door?
I read somewhere today, that the A/C guy is cleared.  She seemed to hesitate when Greta asked about anyone visiting that afternoon.  Of course, she seems to hesitate over every answer. 

Not making fun, but if she's not heavily medicated, I wonder if she might have some problems.  Please, don't anyone think I'm being cruel.  Misty just reminds me of some of my students.


Yes, I agree that the 17 y/o is not "all there" for lack of a better term and for whatever reason.  That doesn't make her a criminal of course.  It just saddens me that a 17 y/o (that struck me as more like an 8-10 y/o--if that) is minding wee ones overnight.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JuJu on February 13, 2009, 12:00:16 AM
::MonkeyEek:: Why doesn't this gf look in the freaking camera??? O/T kinda - regarding sex offenders I support this bill wholeheartedly and think everyone should. This case was beyond tragic and so preventable:

Christopher Barrios Law
The Justice For Christopher foundation has been set up in Christopher's honor to help fight for tougher laws against sex offenders in the state of Georgia. They are pushing for a bill, called the Christopher Barrios Law or No Second Chances, that will sentence anyone convicted of child molestation to life imprisonment and if the child dies during the commission of the act, they will receive the death penalty.




the sad fact of the matter is that there are millions of sexual predators that have never been arrested or convicted..........and they keep doing it over and over again...they cannot be rehabilitated and they never stop

I know that for sure, and when they count the 44 that ARE registered, that says nothing about the non-complaint ones like Couey or those that haven't been caught yet, add those numbers up and it probably quadruples. I'm all for the death penalty for them.

they should get the death penalty because the kill the soul of a child

JuJu~That is perfectly stated. That is exactly what they do while getting perverse pleasure, they destroy the child's soul core being, and that's very hard to reverse. I remeber one time Mark Lunsford stated he often wondered if Jessica wasn't better off than those who lived thru this type of attack due to the never ending pain they cause, I am grateful my son did live thru it and when I heard those words from a man who lost everything I balled like a baby. In no way do I think death is better, but I know he feels for all kids who have lived thru this type experience ::MonkeyNoNo::


I understand perfectly if you had rather not talk about it......but how old was your son?

3 yrs old. I don't mind talking about it, frankly had I known what to look for, maybe it wouldn't have happened more than once...but, people are too afraid to talk about it and that just perpetuates the ability of these pervs trying to destroy our children.

i am so sorry, it hurts my heart for him.....i am sorry to say i know how he feels.  you are so right about people not talking about it.  i hope the whoever did that to him rots in hell


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 12:03:55 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 13, 2009, 12:08:38 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.
Klaas, its really weird that the mothers name is also Chrystal Marie, the child is Haleigh Marie, and the GrandMothers name is Marie, could go by her middle name not sure, but its just too weird.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 12:10:27 AM
::MonkeyEek:: Why doesn't this gf look in the freaking camera??? O/T kinda - regarding sex offenders I support this bill wholeheartedly and think everyone should. This case was beyond tragic and so preventable:

Christopher Barrios Law
The Justice For Christopher foundation has been set up in Christopher's honor to help fight for tougher laws against sex offenders in the state of Georgia. They are pushing for a bill, called the Christopher Barrios Law or No Second Chances, that will sentence anyone convicted of child molestation to life imprisonment and if the child dies during the commission of the act, they will receive the death penalty.




the sad fact of the matter is that there are millions of sexual predators that have never been arrested or convicted..........and they keep doing it over and over again...they cannot be rehabilitated and they never stop

I know that for sure, and when they count the 44 that ARE registered, that says nothing about the non-complaint ones like Couey or those that haven't been caught yet, add those numbers up and it probably quadruples. I'm all for the death penalty for them.

they should get the death penalty because the kill the soul of a child

JuJu~That is perfectly stated. That is exactly what they do while getting perverse pleasure, they destroy the child's soul core being, and that's very hard to reverse. I remeber one time Mark Lunsford stated he often wondered if Jessica wasn't better off than those who lived thru this type of attack due to the never ending pain they cause, I am grateful my son did live thru it and when I heard those words from a man who lost everything I balled like a baby. In no way do I think death is better, but I know he feels for all kids who have lived thru this type experience ::MonkeyNoNo::


I understand perfectly if you had rather not talk about it......but how old was your son?

3 yrs old. I don't mind talking about it, frankly had I known what to look for, maybe it wouldn't have happened more than once...but, people are too afraid to talk about it and that just perpetuates the ability of these pervs trying to destroy our children.

i am so sorry, it hurts my heart for him.....i am sorry to say i know how he feels.  you are so right about people not talking about it.  i hope the whoever did that to him rots in hell
Thanks JuJu~It breaks my heart that you or anyone has to go thru this, and also it's a shame that it's so taboo to discuss.Every time I talk about it here on SM or to anyone else, I always get that exact response (either it happened to them, or a loved one). I believe if people did talk about it more and knew the signs of molestation it woud be a great service to others.........maybe one day we can hope for the sake of innocent children everywhere that it is ok to discuss without shame or embarrasment.

I too hope he rots in hell and personally know he is living in a hell on earth of his own making.

Also, my son seems to be regaining his childhood back and is truly happy and as carefree as he could be considering the circumstances...........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 12:14:59 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.

Klaas

Don't know if this helps, from earlier reports.

It's on Green Lane in the Hermits Cove area of Satsuma, just off Buffalo Bluff



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 12:17:16 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.
Klaas, its really weird that the mothers name is also Chrystal Marie, the child is Haleigh Marie, and the GrandMothers name is Marie, could go by her middle name not sure, but its just too weird.....

I don't think it's so weird.  Marie is a very common middle name.  Don't forget Jessica Marie Lunsford. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 12:18:22 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.

Klaas

Don't know if this helps, from earlier reports.

It's on Green Lane in the Hermits Cove area of Satsuma, just off Buffalo Bluff



Thanks OS, I'll try that but I think the website wants an exact address (number and street name).


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 12:19:07 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.
Klaas, its really weird that the mothers name is also Chrystal Marie, the child is Haleigh Marie, and the GrandMothers name is Marie, could go by her middle name not sure, but its just too weird.....

I don't think it's so weird.  Marie is a very common middle name.  Don't forget Jessica Marie Lunsford. 

 ::MonkeyEek::........although I agree it is common, my best friend and her sis and mom all shared Marie as a middle name, but it's getting freaky. 1) don't name your children marie as a middle name

2) stay away from sociopaths with the last name Peterson ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 12:20:42 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.

Klaas

Don't know if this helps, from earlier reports.

It's on Green Lane in the Hermits Cove area of Satsuma, just off Buffalo Bluff



Thanks OS, I'll try that but I think the website wants an exact address (number and street name).

A little more info.

Haleigh lives in a mobile home community called River Villa. It's on Green Lane in the Hermits Cove area of Satsuma, just off Buffalo Bluff Road and U.S. 17.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JuJu on February 13, 2009, 12:20:45 AM
::MonkeyEek:: Why doesn't this gf look in the freaking camera??? O/T kinda - regarding sex offenders I support this bill wholeheartedly and think everyone should. This case was beyond tragic and so preventable:

Christopher Barrios Law
The Justice For Christopher foundation has been set up in Christopher's honor to help fight for tougher laws against sex offenders in the state of Georgia. They are pushing for a bill, called the Christopher Barrios Law or No Second Chances, that will sentence anyone convicted of child molestation to life imprisonment and if the child dies during the commission of the act, they will receive the death penalty.




the sad fact of the matter is that there are millions of sexual predators that have never been arrested or convicted..........and they keep doing it over and over again...they cannot be rehabilitated and they never stop

I know that for sure, and when they count the 44 that ARE registered, that says nothing about the non-complaint ones like Couey or those that haven't been caught yet, add those numbers up and it probably quadruples. I'm all for the death penalty for them.

they should get the death penalty because the kill the soul of a child

JuJu~That is perfectly stated. That is exactly what they do while getting perverse pleasure, they destroy the child's soul core being, and that's very hard to reverse. I remeber one time Mark Lunsford stated he often wondered if Jessica wasn't better off than those who lived thru this type of attack due to the never ending pain they cause, I am grateful my son did live thru it and when I heard those words from a man who lost everything I balled like a baby. In no way do I think death is better, but I know he feels for all kids who have lived thru this type experience ::MonkeyNoNo::


I understand perfectly if you had rather not talk about it......but how old was your son?

3 yrs old. I don't mind talking about it, frankly had I known what to look for, maybe it wouldn't have happened more than once...but, people are too afraid to talk about it and that just perpetuates the ability of these pervs trying to destroy our children.

i am so sorry, it hurts my heart for him.....i am sorry to say i know how he feels.  you are so right about people not talking about it.  i hope the whoever did that to him rots in hell
Thanks JuJu~It breaks my heart that you or anyone has to go thru this, and also it's a shame that it's so taboo to discuss.Every time I talk about it here on SM or to anyone else, I always get that exact response (either it happened to them, or a loved one). I believe if people did talk about it more and knew the signs of molestation it woud be a great service to others.........maybe one day we can hope for the sake of innocent children everywhere that it is ok to discuss without shame or embarrasment.

I too hope he rots in hell and personally know he is living in a hell on earth of his own making.

Also, my son seems to be regaining his childhood back and is truly happy and as carefree as he could be considering the circumstances...........

that is an amazing photo.......hopefully he is mind will allow him to forget, and Thank God he has a Mom like you


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 13, 2009, 12:21:37 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.
Klaas, its really weird that the mothers name is also Chrystal Marie, the child is Haleigh Marie, and the GrandMothers name is Marie, could go by her middle name not sure, but its just too weird.....

I don't think it's so weird.  Marie is a very common middle name.  Don't forget Jessica Marie Lunsford. 
well  yea I guess it is,  just seems strange to me I  guess, I dont know why, I guess because Im from a very large family and not a Marie in the bunch.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 12:24:39 AM
::MonkeyEek:: Why doesn't this gf look in the freaking camera??? O/T kinda - regarding sex offenders I support this bill wholeheartedly and think everyone should. This case was beyond tragic and so preventable:

Christopher Barrios Law
The Justice For Christopher foundation has been set up in Christopher's honor to help fight for tougher laws against sex offenders in the state of Georgia. They are pushing for a bill, called the Christopher Barrios Law or No Second Chances, that will sentence anyone convicted of child molestation to life imprisonment and if the child dies during the commission of the act, they will receive the death penalty.




the sad fact of the matter is that there are millions of sexual predators that have never been arrested or convicted..........and they keep doing it over and over again...they cannot be rehabilitated and they never stop

I know that for sure, and when they count the 44 that ARE registered, that says nothing about the non-complaint ones like Couey or those that haven't been caught yet, add those numbers up and it probably quadruples. I'm all for the death penalty for them.

they should get the death penalty because the kill the soul of a child

JuJu~That is perfectly stated. That is exactly what they do while getting perverse pleasure, they destroy the child's soul core being, and that's very hard to reverse. I remeber one time Mark Lunsford stated he often wondered if Jessica wasn't better off than those who lived thru this type of attack due to the never ending pain they cause, I am grateful my son did live thru it and when I heard those words from a man who lost everything I balled like a baby. In no way do I think death is better, but I know he feels for all kids who have lived thru this type experience ::MonkeyNoNo::


I understand perfectly if you had rather not talk about it......but how old was your son?

3 yrs old. I don't mind talking about it, frankly had I known what to look for, maybe it wouldn't have happened more than once...but, people are too afraid to talk about it and that just perpetuates the ability of these pervs trying to destroy our children.

i am so sorry, it hurts my heart for him.....i am sorry to say i know how he feels.  you are so right about people not talking about it.  i hope the whoever did that to him rots in hell
Thanks JuJu~It breaks my heart that you or anyone has to go thru this, and also it's a shame that it's so taboo to discuss.Every time I talk about it here on SM or to anyone else, I always get that exact response (either it happened to them, or a loved one). I believe if people did talk about it more and knew the signs of molestation it woud be a great service to others.........maybe one day we can hope for the sake of innocent children everywhere that it is ok to discuss without shame or embarrasment.

I too hope he rots in hell and personally know he is living in a hell on earth of his own making.

Also, my son seems to be regaining his childhood back and is truly happy and as carefree as he could be considering the circumstances...........

that is an amazing photo.......hopefully he is mind will allow him to forget, and Thank God he has a Mom like you

You are so sweet {{{JuJu}}}       I pray every day his mind will allow that, but it always lingers, even 6 yrs later, but he is happy and more carefree here than he ever was before we moved. O/T~I hope you saw my post to you in musings about doors being shut and opened.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 12:25:59 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.
Klaas, its really weird that the mothers name is also Chrystal Marie, the child is Haleigh Marie, and the GrandMothers name is Marie, could go by her middle name not sure, but its just too weird.....

I don't think it's so weird.  Marie is a very common middle name.  Don't forget Jessica Marie Lunsford. 
well  yea I guess it is,  just seems strange to me I  guess, I dont know why, I guess because Im from a very large family and not a Marie in the bunch.....

none hear either, but a butt load of Elizabeth middle names...........at least 6 that I know of.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JuJu on February 13, 2009, 12:27:35 AM
O/T~I hope you saw my post to you in musings about doors being shut and opened.

i'm sorry, i didn't but i will try to find it....THANK YOU


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 12:28:02 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.
Klaas, its really weird that the mothers name is also Chrystal Marie, the child is Haleigh Marie, and the GrandMothers name is Marie, could go by her middle name not sure, but its just too weird.....

I am putting together a who's who and a timeline, and I think:
Teresa Never, grandmother, Ronald's mother
Nancy Griffis, 43, grandmother, Crystal's mother

Am I wrong? I don't see a Grandmother named Marie?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 12:32:16 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.

Klaas

Don't know if this helps, from earlier reports.

It's on Green Lane in the Hermits Cove area of Satsuma, just off Buffalo Bluff



Thanks OS, I'll try that but I think the website wants an exact address (number and street name).

Try putting in a fictitious # such as 114 Green St...It'll still give you the same street. Here is another SO list for Satsuma... this one I got from another site
http://www.jacksonville.com/firstcoastfugitives/sexualpredatorsdatabase.shtml?appSession=173148917733254



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 13, 2009, 12:33:21 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.
Klaas, its really weird that the mothers name is also Chrystal Marie, the child is Haleigh Marie, and the GrandMothers name is Marie, could go by her middle name not sure, but its just too weird.....

I am putting together a who's who and a timeline, and I think:
Teresa Never, grandmother, Ronald's mother
Nancy Griffis, 43, grandmother, Crystal's mother

Am I wrong? I don't see a Grandmother named Marie?
No  Crystals Mothers name is Marie Griffis according to this article and a earlier video I watched, the news lady called her Marie,,,,

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 12:36:17 AM
O/T~I hope you saw my post to you in musings about doors being shut and opened.

i'm sorry, i didn't but i will try to find it....THANK YOU

It was a couple of days ago about Dec 11th.......and that's how I ended up moving here. I hope you find it and gain some level of comfort from it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 13, 2009, 12:42:13 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.


Klaas, if you just put Green Lane, Satsuma, FL in this one, it shows more than we can even check out.

http://www.familywatchdog.us/Search.asp


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 12:42:54 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.
Klaas, its really weird that the mothers name is also Chrystal Marie, the child is Haleigh Marie, and the GrandMothers name is Marie, could go by her middle name not sure, but its just too weird.....

I am putting together a who's who and a timeline, and I think:
Teresa Never, grandmother, Ronald's mother
Nancy Griffis, 43, grandmother, Crystal's mother

Am I wrong? I don't see a Grandmother named Marie?
No  Crystals Mothers name is Marie Griffis according to this article and a earlier video I watched, the news lady called her Marie,,,,

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/

It is so difficult to get accurate information! Maybe Marie is her middle name and she goes by that name? Or maybe this source is just wrong. I am going through lots of articles right now, gathering info.

This caption says her name is Nancy Griffis.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-haleigh-cummings-photos,0,705399.photogallery?index=orl-haleigh8_irl20090212120856

And this site says Haleigh's fullname is Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29152045/

Gee, I sure wish she would be found!!! Like NOW, please.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cheerio on February 13, 2009, 12:43:34 AM
Hi Klaas, I'm not positive but on Bill O'reilly tonight with Meagan Kelly that had a map of the area with the nearby offenders. 4 !! within 5 miles from the residence. I think they had the exact address on the map to show proximity. I will Tivo the later show tonight.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 12:45:34 AM
Thanks OS - I used the address for River Villas.

This offender is the worst (on paper) of the ones withing 1 mile:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/sexoffenders.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 13, 2009, 12:46:29 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.
Klaas, its really weird that the mothers name is also Chrystal Marie, the child is Haleigh Marie, and the GrandMothers name is Marie, could go by her middle name not sure, but its just too weird.....

I am putting together a who's who and a timeline, and I think:
Teresa Never, grandmother, Ronald's mother
Nancy Griffis, 43, grandmother, Crystal's mother

Am I wrong? I don't see a Grandmother named Marie?
No  Crystals Mothers name is Marie Griffis according to this article and a earlier video I watched, the news lady called her Marie,,,,

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/

It is so difficult to get accurate information! Maybe Marie is her middle name and she goes by that name? Or maybe this source is just wrong. I am going through lots of articles right now, gathering info.

This caption says her name is Nancy Griffis.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-haleigh-cummings-photos,0,705399.photogallery?index=orl-haleigh8_irl20090212120856

And this site says Haleigh's fullname is Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29152045/

Gee, I sure wish she would be found!!! Like NOW, please.


Gee me too, I hope they find her alive and well,

If the source is wrong about the Grandmother being named Marie then the newLady that called her that is also wrong,  I bet she goes by her middle name..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ncbelle54 on February 13, 2009, 12:49:11 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.

Klaas

Don't know if this helps, from earlier reports.

It's on Green Lane in the Hermits Cove area of Satsuma, just off Buffalo Bluff



Thanks OS, I'll try that but I think the website wants an exact address (number and street name).
try this,  116 green lane satsuma fl 32189


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 12:49:17 AM
Thanks Anna - within one mile came up with two and still the one I posted is the worst on paper.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 12:50:24 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.

Klaas

Don't know if this helps, from earlier reports.

It's on Green Lane in the Hermits Cove area of Satsuma, just off Buffalo Bluff



Thanks OS, I'll try that but I think the website wants an exact address (number and street name).
try this,  116 green lane satsuma fl 32189

Nope that doesn't work.  I think I got what I needed now anyway.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ncbelle54 on February 13, 2009, 12:52:28 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.

Klaas

Don't know if this helps, from earlier reports.

It's on Green Lane in the Hermits Cove area of Satsuma, just off Buffalo Bluff



Thanks OS, I'll try that but I think the website wants an exact address (number and street name).
try this,  116 green lane satsuma fl 32189
oops 116 tyler st,sry


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 12:55:03 AM
Thanks Anna - within one mile came up with two and still the one I posted is the worst on paper.

Does it list their offenses...........I know in TN you could click on their photo and find out how bad they were not just offense level, but whether it was statutory rape or a child molestor. I've checked here, but there are non listed on the Island, so I haven't looked at Florida's set-up yet.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 13, 2009, 12:55:43 AM
Thanks Anna - within one mile came up with two and still the one I posted is the worst on paper.

Yes, predator and seemed more violent than some of the others but there are so many I was shocked.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 13, 2009, 12:57:09 AM
Thanks Anna - within one mile came up with two and still the one I posted is the worst on paper.

Does it list their offenses...........I know in TN you could click on their photo and find out how bad they were not just offense level, but whether it was statutory rape or a child molestor. I've checked here, but there are non listed on the Island, so I haven't looked at Florida's set-up yet.


Yes, convictions and age at time of conviction.  Agree with Klaas that this one seems the more violent of them close by but one could drive a few miles easily and to avoid being suspected so quickly.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 12:57:27 AM

NANCY GRACE

NANCY GRACE for February 12, 2009

Aired February 12, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, Satsuma, Florida. A 5- year-old little girl tucked into bed, five hours later, she vanishes into thin air, gone, the kitchen light on, the back door propped wide open. The father comes home from the night shift to find not a single trace of little Haleigh. How could a 5-year-old girl vanish from her own bed, a bed she apparently was sharing that night with her baby-sitter and 4-year-old brother?

The girlfriend/babysitter said she`s taken not one but two polygraphs and tells us she passed. Bloodhounds pick up the scent near a nearby river, but an intense sonar scan turns up nothing. The house turned upside down with police fingerprinting, searching and processing the scene. Tonight, the search by land, by air, by water. Where is 5-year-old Haleigh?

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: What`s her date of birth?

RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER: Y`all are (DELETED) playing games, man! I`m going to (DELETED) kill somebody!

911 OPERATOR: OK, tell him we understand. We need to get her date of birth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What`s her date of birth?

CUMMINGS: (DELETED) her birthday! We need to find her! (DELETED) her date of birth!

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A frantic search is under way right now for Haleigh Cummings. She was last seen Monday night with her 2-year-old brother in her bedroom.

CUMMINGS: I don`t know what happened to my daughter, came up missing out of my house in the middle of the night. Besides that, no, I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Detectives don`t know, either. Today they officially ruled Haleigh Cummings`s disappearance an abduction. Police believe someone snatched the 5-year-old from her Satsuma home. They say, at this point, everyone`s a suspect.

CUMMINGS: Yes, I have taken a polygraph. Yes, did I pass it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know where she is or who has her! I just want her home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities say the back door was wide open, propped open with a cinderblock, but they don`t know whether it was left unlocked.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I put her to bed about 8:00 o`clock. I woke up and she was gone, and the back door was wide open! That`s the last I seen her is when I put her to bed!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Investigators have ruled out the possibility the child may have wandered off in the middle of the night because she`s afraid of the dark.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you`ve done something with, her tell us where she`s at, if she`s OK, something. We just -- I want my daughter back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. How could a 5-year-old Florida girl just vanish from her own bed, a bed she was sharing that night with her baby-sitter and 4-year-old brother? But has that story changed in just 24 hours? Tonight, where is 5-year-old Haleigh?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s been no sign of Haleigh Cummings in three days. And as you can imagine, emotions are running really high in that family.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

CUMMINGS: I just got home from work, my 5-year-old daughter is gone. I need somebody to be here now, I`m telling you.

911 OPERATOR: Listen to me. Listen to me. We`ve got two officers...

CUMMINGS: If I find whoever has my daughter before y`all do, I`m killing him. I don`t care. I`ll spend the rest of my life in prison, I`m telling you.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Florida police and the FBI launched a massive search from both the ground and the air. Detectives say they found no evidence that Haleigh wandered away from her dad`s mobile home.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: OK. It`s OK, sir. We`ve got them on the way. OK, can you give me any -- what kind of description of her pajamas that she was wearing?

CUMMINGS: I don`t (DELETED) know! I was at work!

911 OPERATOR: OK, sir, we`ve got them coming, OK?

(END AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have not stopped our search. We had several different bloodhounds that were brought to the area with the helicopter and the ground forces.

CUMMINGS: I just want my daughter home safe.

We want her back. That`s all we want. We don`t want revenge. I just want my daughter back. That`s it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Out to Joy Purdy with WTLV at the command center. Also joining us tonight, the mother of the missing 5-year-old girl, Crystal Sheffield. Joy, what`s the latest? Has the story shifted?

JOY PURDY, WTLV: This is very interesting, Nancy. We`ll talk about the search in just a moment, which has been called off for tonight. It`s going to continue tomorrow into a much bigger event.

But you were talking about the father, the father of Haleigh Cummings, his girlfriend, she was the last one to see the little girl. She told us today on camera just a few hours ago that no, Haleigh was not in the bed with her. Haleigh was actually sleeping in her own bed when she disappeared. Whether or not that bed is situated in the same room as the father`s girlfriend, we don`t know. But we have learned -- she has told us that they weren`t sleeping in the same bed, so that opens up all kinds of new questions here.

GRACE: Joy, it certainly does. Let`s take a listen to what she had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I put her to bed about 8:00 o`clock, and I woke up and she was gone and the back door was wide open! That was the last time I seen her, was when I put her to bed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you all in the same bed?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. She was in her bed in front of the TV, and me and junior were in my bed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That is contrary to what we were told last night. We were told last night the 5-year-old girl was in the bed with the girlfriend/baby-sitter and the 4-year-old brother. Now, if they were in the same room, fine, I understand that. But even a slight change in story is highly significant.

With me right now, a very special guest, the mother of missing Haleigh. Crystal Sheffield is joining us there at the Satsuma command center. Ms. Sheffield, thank you for being with us.

CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, MOTHER: You`re welcome.

GRACE: Ms. Sheffield, where were you at the time little Haleigh went missing?

SHEFFIELD: I was in Baker County, at my house.

GRACE: How did you learn she was gone?

SHEFFIELD: Ronald`s mother, Teresa Nieves (ph), called me at 3:49 AM in the morning and told me that Haleigh was gone.

GRACE: And what did you do?

SHEFFIELD: At first, I thought it was a prank, kind of. And then she was, like, The police are there, and I heard them in the background and then it hit me that it was not a prank.

GRACE: OK. Now, what time did you say they called you?

SHEFFIELD: It was 3:49 AM.

GRACE: And who called you?

SHEFFIELD: Teresa Nieves, Ronald`s mother.

GRACE: When was the last time you saw Haleigh?

SHEFFIELD: Two weeks ago.

GRACE: Was there any problem? Were there any tensions in the home that you knew of?

SHEFFIELD: No.

GRACE: When they called to tell you little Haleigh was missing, Ms. Sheffield, did they have a theory about what had happened to her?

SHEFFIELD: They just said that someone come in there and took her, is what they told me.

GRACE: Ms. Sheffield, were you -- with me, everyone, is little Haleigh`s mother. Crystal Sheffield is joining us. She lives many miles away from the little girl but sees her on a regular basis. Ms. Sheffield, when you were first told about the circumstances of Haleigh`s disappearance, were you told she was asleep in the bed with the girlfriend/baby-sitter and the little brother?

SHEFFIELD: Yes, I was. I was told they was all three in the same bed.

GRACE: You`re sure?

SHEFFIELD: I`m sure.

GRACE: Is there any doubt in your mind that they represented they were all in the same bed together?

SHEFFIELD: That`s what they said, that -- I was told they was all three in the same bed.

GRACE: And now what have you learned?

SHEFFIELD: I`ve heard that Junior was in another room, and it was just her and Haleigh in the bed. And now I`m hearing that they were both in the other room and she was in the bed by herself. Haleigh and Junior was in their own room.

GRACE: OK. Hold on, Ms. Sheffield. Rosy (ph), can you play me back that sound we just heard from the girlfriend? OK, Ms. Sheffield, please go through that with me one more time. First you thought they were all three in the bed together sleeping, waiting on the father to get home. He was at work. Then you were told what?

SHEFFIELD: At first, I was told they was all three in the same bed.

GRACE: Right.

SHEFFIELD: Then it was Junior was in the kids` room in his bed, and it was Haleigh and Misty in their bed, in the big bed.

GRACE: Yes?

SHEFFIELD: And then I heard that Haleigh and Junior were both in their room, in their own room, not Misty`s room.

GRACE: Ms. Sheffield, I know this may sound crazy to you, but let me ask you about this change in story. When you heard the second version, that Junior was in the kids` room and Haleigh and Misty were together, who told you that?

SHEFFIELD: Where did I hear it? I don`t remember where I heard it. My mind`s just...

GRACE: All right. When you heard that Haleigh and Junior were both in the children`s room, who told you that?

SHEFFIELD: Who told me that?

MARIE GRIFFIS, MATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I don`t remember that. That`s the first story that we heard.

GRACE: Everybody, also, you`re hearing the voice of the maternal grandmother of Haleigh. That`s Marie Griffis. She`s also with us there at the command center, everyone converging there at Satsuma, Florida, to find this little girl.

Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, Eleanor Dixon out of Atlanta, Peter Odom, veteran defense attorney out of Atlanta, and Gwen Lindsay-Jackson, defense attorney out of New York.

But first to Mark Lunsford joining us out of Homosassa, Florida, the father of little Jessie Lunsford, who disappeared under extremely similar circumstances. Mark, what do you make of it?

MARK LUNSFORD, FATHER OF MURDERED JESSICA: Well, I mean, to start off with, I mean, I`d have to say with the work that I`ve been involved with and the things that I`ve done, you know, there`s going to be a lot of things flying through the air...

GRACE: Right.

LUNSFORD: ... miscommunications (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: So this may be nothing. This may just be a blip on the screen.

LUNSFORD: It could be. But you bring up a good point by bringing it up. And what the family should do is to rely on your victim advocate. They will answer any question, any doubts, any rumors flying. These are the people to get the correct answers.

GRACE: You know, everybody, Mark Lunsford, the father of Jessie Lunsford -- and he is now with Survivingparentscoalition.org.

Back to Eleanor, Peter, and Gwen Lindsay-Jackson. Eleanor, he`s got a point. This could either be an extremely significant change in the story - - because when you`re talking about a missing 5-year-old, where she was the last time she was seen alive is highly probative, and if a story changes even subtly, that casts doubt on who`s telling the story. But on the other hand, I went back tonight before I came to air and re-read all of the wires and all of the notes, and what she said at the beginning, the baby- sitter/girlfriend was, I was sleeping next to her. Did that mean in the next room? Did that mean in the next bed?

Maybe Mark Lunsford is right that this is just a miscommunication. What do you think?

ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: I think that could be a possibility, that it`s a miscommunication, and in being so upset and frantic for this missing child, she could have said that. But I think the police are also keeping things very close to the vest.

GRACE: Peter?

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: A migrating story can be a sign of guilt, but you`ve got to make sure that it really is inconsistent, as you suggested.

GRACE: Gwen?

GWEN LINDSAY-JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think that it could be considered an excited utterance. I mean, certainly, she knew where she was when this child was asleep. It`s not a hard question.

GRACE: I`ve got a problem with it.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I got up because I had to use the bathroom, but I didn`t make it to the bathroom. I seen the kitchen light on, and I walked in the kitchen and the back door`s wide open. And I didn`t notice about Haleigh then, until I seen the back door open. Then I (INAUDIBLE) and she`s gone! And that`s all I know!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s no longer any reason to believe that the child simply wandered outside, so we are treating this absolutely like an abduction.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) any one of us and our children. Anyone. Nobody knows whether it`s a psycho or sicko. Nobody knows. Anyone. Anyone. You don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All the world`s a suspect right now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I put her to bed around 8:00 o`clock. And I woke up and she was gone and the back door was wide open. The last time I seen her was when I put her to bed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you all in the same bed?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. She was in her bed in front of the TV, and me and Junior were in my bed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Where is 5-year-old little Haleigh? Out to Michelle Sigona with "America`s Most Wanted" why did the girlfriend/baby-sitter take two polys?

MICHELLE SIGONA, "AMERICA`S MOST WANTED": Well, at this point, investigators, you know, wanted to re-question and question her again. And she has been cooperating, from what they tell me. She`s not a suspect at this time, Nancy. Neither is the father of the children.

So I have spoken to the father. I just got off the phone with him about an hour ago, and from what he tells me, is that there were evidently two beds inside of one of the rooms, and from what he says, is that Haleigh was in the smaller bed, and that his son, who they call Junior, who`s 3 years old -- he`ll be 4 on Sunday -- was actually in the bed with his girlfriend.

GRACE: OK. That can clarify some of the inconsistencies, I believe.

Out to the lines. Anne in New Hampshire. Hi, Anne.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. First of all, our prayers are with the family. And this is so scary because it is so like the Jessica Lunsford case, where the father worked a third shift, you know, and in the trailer park. And the fact that there were 44 registered sex offenders in the area -- my first question is, I want to know if, like in the Jessica Lunsford case, they went around in the immediate area where the people lived and checked all the trailers, although Jessica, they believe, was in Couey`s trailer`s closet and they missed her and she was probably still alive. Have they done this really thorough check of all of the trailers in the area where the child lives?

GRACE: To Joy Purdy with WTLV. What do you know, Joy?

PURDY: Well, we talked with the sheriff about that. He was asked that specifically today, the sheriff of the Putnam County sheriff`s office. He said yes, they are checking with every sex offender. They are going into homes and checking. They`re very aware of what happened in that case, so they don`t want that to happen again. So they are tracing their steps again and again and again, and even checking other people`s homes, residents who are allowing them to come in two, three times. So they`re being very thorough.

GRACE: Michelle Sigona, do you know any more?

SIGONA: I can tell you that all 44 sex offenders within a five-mile radius, Nancy, have all been located and questioned. And from what the lead detective on this case told me about three hours ago was that, at this point, all of them have checked out from the time that Haleigh was last seen up until the time she allegedly disappeared around 3:30 in the morning.

Now, that`s not saying that they may not go back and check those particular sex offenders again and also other people in the area. Right now, they`re focussing a lot on the ground searches and also by air, by ground, in the water. They`re bringing in cadaver dogs from Georgia. They have five in from Georgia right now and are expecting 10 more by tomorrow morning. So these investigators are going on day four tomorrow, Nancy, and they`re just not giving up.

GRACE: Last night, the father, Ronald Cummings, was with us for our whole program, and I found him to be extremely sincere.

Out to Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "Dealbreakers." I know you have studied his interviews. What do you think, Bethany?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: He was sincere, distraught. He immediately offered to take a polygraph. I believe that he is a victim and not a perpetrator in this situation. The 17-year-old -- I have some questions about her. Not to victimize the victim here, but why was she a caretaker of these little children? Was she a willing caretaker? How did she feel about them? Were there other people in and out of the home? Yes, you can pick up a 5-year-old and lug them from one place to another and they will stay asleep. Yes, because she was not the bio mom, it would make sense that she didn`t wake up.

But what doesn`t make sense is that whoever came into this home anticipated that she wouldn`t wake up. So what kind of activity was there in and out of the house? Was there drug activity, I would wonder?

And then finally, those 44 sex offenders -- sex offenders offend on average for 17 years before they`re caught. So these are known sex offenders. What about people in the community who are sex offenders but who have not come to the attention of law enforcement? There are just so many questions in this situation.

GRACE: Back to the mother of 5-year-old little Haleigh. Crystal, Ms. Sheffield, what are the police theories right now? What are they telling you?

SHEFFIELD: They haven`t really told us nothing. Like, they`re just - - they just said they`re going to keep searching. They haven`t found anything or -- so...

GRACE: To Marie Griffis, Ms. Griffis, what do you make of the story about the back door being propped open? And I believe it`s been verified that Ronald Cummings was, in fact, at work.

GRIFFIS: Well, the back door being propped open -- who is going to take time to prop open a back door if you`re going to abduct a child? It don`t make sense.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: OK, was your back door locked, do you know?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, the back door always stays locked.

CUMMINGS: I need somebody to get here now!

911 OPERATOR: OK, let me speak to (INAUDIBLE).

CUMMINGS: I just got home from work. My 5-year-old daughter is gone. I need somebody to be here now. I`m telling you...

911 OPERATOR: Listen to me. Listen to me. We`ve got two officers...

CUMMINGS: If I find whoever has my daughter before y`all do, I`m killing him. I don`t care. I`ll spend the rest of my life in prison, I`m telling you. You can put it on the report, and I don`t care.

911 OPERATOR: OK. It`s OK, sir. We`ve got them on the way. OK, can you give me any -- what kind of description of her pajamas that she was wearing?

CUMMINGS: I don`t (DELETED) know! I was at work!

911 OPERATOR: OK, sir, we`ve got them coming, OK?

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: What`s her date of birth?

RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER: Y`all are (DELETED) playing games, man! I`m going to (DELETED) kill somebody!

911 OPERATOR: OK, tell him we understand. We need to get her date of birth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What`s her date of birth?

CUMMINGS: (DELETED) her birthday! We need to find her! (DELETED) her date of birth!

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: The officers are going to come out there and do what they can. We can`t have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there, OK?

CUMMINGS: Give me my (DELETED) phone! I got better people to talk to than a (DELETED) that ain`t coming!

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: That is the father, hysterical. His daughter is gone when he gets home from the night shift.

Out to the lines. To Adrena in West Virginia. Hi, dear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey, I was wondering if, like, the abductor might watch them for, like, weeks, and got their, like, schedule (INAUDIBLE) What if he propped open the door and then, like, he knew that, like, the girl -- he knocked on the door and she might have thought it was her dad and, like, he -- she opened the door, and he, like, snatched her. He thought it would be quicker if he propped open the door.

GRACE: That`s an entirely possible scenario. I want to go back to Haleigh`s grandmother, Marie Griffis, tonight joining us along with the mother of little Haleigh, Crystal Sheffield.

Ms. Griffis, you were mentioning, who would take the time to prop open the door during a kidnapping. What do you mean by that?

GRIFFIS: It would take -- anybody that was going to take a child out of a house, it seems like they would want to get in and out as quick as possible. So who would want to take the time to prop open a door?

GRACE: And -- and...

GRIFFIS: They would want to open it and go through...

GRACE: And turn on the kitchen light.

GRIFFIS: And get the child and leave.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GRIFFIS: It`s never safe to say that someone in the family or an associate of the family is not a suspect. However, all the world`s a suspect right now. We have not excluded the world because we`re focusing on a couple of family members or...

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

911 DISPATCHER: OK, was your, was your back door locked, do you know?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, the back door always stays locked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need somebody to get here now.

911 DISPATCHER: OK, let me to speak to him so.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just got home from work, my 5-year-old daughter is gone.

911 DISPATCHER: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need somebody to be here now. I`m telling you.

911 DISPATCHER: Listen to me, listen to me. We got two officers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If I find whoever has my daughter before you all do I`m killing him. I don`t care. I`ll spend the rest of my life in prison.

911 DISPATCHER: OK. OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m telling you. You can put it on recording, I don`t care.

911 DISPATCHER: OK. It`s OK, sir. We`ve got them on the way. OK? Can you give me any -- what kind of description of her pajamas that she was wearing?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t (EXPLETIVE DELETED) know. I was at work.

911 DISPATCHER: OK, sir. We got them coming, OK?

What`s her date of birth?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You all are (EXPLETIVE DELETED) playing games, man, I`m going to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) kill somebody.

911 DISPATCHER: OK. Tell him we understand. We need to get her date of birth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What`s her date of birth?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) we need to find her. What`s her date of birth?

911 DISPATCHER: Tell him we got them coming. He needs to try to calm down a little bit, OK? The officers are going to come out there and do what they. We can`t have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Uh-huh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give my (EXPLETIVE DELETED) phone. I got better people to talk to than a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) mother that ain`t coming.

911 DISPATCHER: 911, what`s your emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just woke up and our back door was open and we can`t find our daughter.

911 DISPATCHER: You can`t find what?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our daughter.

911 DISPATCHER: OK. What`s your address?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Green Lane. (INAUDIBLE).

911 DISPATCHER: What`s the numerical?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Numerical, what`s that?

911 DISPATCHER: The number, Green Lane?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

911 DISPATCHER: OK. When did you last see her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We just like, you know, it was about 10:00, (INAUDIBLE), she was sleeping.

911 DISPATCHER: OK. How old is your daughter?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s 5.

911 DISPATCHER: OK. What was she last seen wearing? Ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was in her pajamas. We were sleeping.

911 DISPATCHER: What, what does she look like? How tall is she? Give me some description on her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She has like, like long hair, curly, like curls.

911 DISPATCHER: Long curled, what color?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s white.

911 DISPATCHER: OK, what color hair? She`s got brown hair?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Oh my god.

911 DISPATCHER: OK. How tall is she about? Or how much does she weigh, do you know that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Huh?

911 DISPATCHER: About how tall or how much does she weigh?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Like four something like, I don`t know, like she`s not that tall.

911 DISPATCHER: OK. Tell your husband we got them coming, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

911 DISPATCHER: How much does she weigh, do you know?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Huh?

911 DISPATCHER: How much does she weigh?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Um, like, 40, 50 pounds, 60 pounds.

911 DISPATCHER: Forty to sixty pounds?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello?

911 DISPATCHER: OK, sir, let me talk to you wife. Let me get some information from her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Man. (INAUDIBLE)

911 DISPATCHER: OK. Can I talk to her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

911 DISPATCHER: OK, listen to me. I need you to answer some questions. Does the door look like it was pried open?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I guess.

911 DISPATCHER: Does it look like -- does it look like you had some sort of someone try to enter into your house?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hold on.

911 DISPATCHER: And another thing, make sure you and your husband don`t touch the door anymore. Don`t mess with the door or anything.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, it doesn`t.

911 DISPATCHER: It doesn`t look like it is?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

911 DISPATCHER: OK. Now listen, tell your husband not touch anything, make sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

911 DISPATCHER: Because we`re going to try and get a canine out there, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. She said don`t touch anything because they are bringing a canine out here.

911 DISPATCHER: OK, listen to me. I`m getting this information. I`m not the officer driving out there, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

911 DISPATCHER: They`re coming out there to handle that situation. I need to gather all information from you over the phone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

911 DISPATCHER: It has nothing to do with me driving out there. The officers are taking care of that, OK? They`re coming out there, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

911 DISPATCHER: OK. I`m going t stay on the phone with you, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

911 DISPATCHER: Until they get there, OK? Tell him we got them coming. He needs to try to calm down a little bit, OK? The officers are going to come out there and do what they can. We can`t have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there, OK?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: That`s enough to make me leave the anchor desk and run, not walk, run home to check on the twins. The father gets off of the night shift, his little girl, 5 years old, gone out of the bed where she was sleeping.

Joining me, Joy Purdy and Michelle Sigona there at the command center, Crystal Sheffield, Marie Griffis, the mother and grandmother of the little girl.

To Joy Purdy, who was the last person outside the family who saw her and when?

PURDY: Oh, goodness, outside the family we would have to imagine it was some of her schoolmates because it was early Tuesday morning that she disappeared and she does attend school here, but everyone has been focusing on the family because the father`s girlfriend was the last one to see her.

GRACE: Right. And her story is she was last seen around 10:00 with the girlfriend goes to bed, but who can verify the last time she was seen by somebody other than girlfriend, last seen alive? Was it that day when she got out of school at 3:00?

Did anybody else see her after 3 p.m., I guess, when she gets out of school? Do we have any idea? Did she go to school on Monday? I mean do we know that she went to school that day? What do we know, Joy?

PURDY: We don`t know about anything that happened that Monday. Everything has started from that Tuesday morning. You`re going have to ask the sheriff about that.

GRACE: Yes, and see.

PURDY: But we.

GRACE: Where I`m going with this is we have her word placing the girl alive and well at 10 p.m. I want to find out the last person to have seen her.

We are taking your calls live. To Sherry in Connecticut, hi, Sherry.

SHERRY, FROM CONNECTICUT: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

SHERRY: Good. I just want to start out by saying really quick that I just absolutely love you to death. I watch your show faithfully. I`m the mother of a 3-year-old and this really touches home.

My question is, real quick is, why is young Haleigh living with the father and not the mother? Does anybody know that? Is there some sort of family dispute going on?

GRACE: Well, I know that the two have been apart. With me is the mother.

How often, Crystal Sheffield, do you see her and why did she end up being with him?

CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, MOM OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD HALEIGH CUMMINGS: I see them every two weeks. I pick them up on Friday at 6:00 and return them on Sunday at 6:00.

When me and Ronald split up I had the children with me, and I didn`t have the heart to keep them from him, and I let him come get them and he was supposed to return them to me and he never did, and then he went to the courthouse and filed for temporary custody, and the first court date was sent out to an address in Jacksonville, and it was a bogus address.

I never lived there, so I missed that court date, and then when we went for the custody hearing, they just -- I feel like they just blew me off, but they said they gave him custody because it was the best interest for the children.

GRACE: Are you saying the court blew you off?

SHEFFIELD: I just felt like they was all on his side.

GRACE: Do you know if she was in school on Monday?

SHEFFIELD: I have no idea. I know she`s missed a bunch of days because he told me that if she -- I don`t remember what day it was, but he called and was talking -- I was supposed to pick them up and he said I didn`t want to take her out of school because if she missed any more school that they was going to put him in jail.

GRACE: Why was she missing so much school?

SHEFFIELD: I don`t know.

GRACE: Was she sick?

SHEFFIELD: She may have been, but honestly, I don`t know.

GRACE: Well, I`ll be right back. We`re taking your calls.

SHEFFIELD: She does get sick a lot.

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. As we go to break we ask for your prayers for Georgia friend of the show in the hospital, Jimmy Stokes.

Jimmy, please stay strong and get well.

And tonight, at your request, photos of the twins. They`ll be on the Web tonight. Here is John David in mommy`s closet. Lucy making mommy try on dress up shoes with her gym pants and Lucy trying them on herself. These are their pajamas. Yes, they just got these and they still don`t know how to go forward, just backwards.

There`s John David at music class. There`s his instructor Jess singing. Here they are playing on the floor. Oh, at Barnes & Noble, their favorite place in the world. Back in mommy`s closet with a flip-flop and a tennis shoe.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHEFFIELD: I just want whoever`s got her to bring her home. That`s all I want is my baby home.

RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD HALEIGH CUMMINGS: I just want my daughter home safe. If you have my daughter and you`re watching this, drop her off somewhere safe, call 911, call the local authorities wherever you drop her off. Bring her back anonymous. Give her to someone else to bring back. However she`s back, we want her back safe. If you`ve done something with her, tell us where she`s at, if she`s OK. Something, we just -- I want my daughter back. That`s it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: To former NYPD detective, Michael Sapraicone -- Michael, I can understand confusion if two beds were in one bedroom, and she said we were all sleeping together and she was right beside me. I can understand if there were two beds like that. But according to the mother and grandmother one story was they were in another room, both the children were in another room.

MICHAEL SAPRAICONE, FMR. NYPD DETECTIVE PRESIDENT OF SQUAD SECURITY INC.: Well, I understand your point about the beds in the bedroom, Nancy. But I`m really more concerned over the door. There`s more issues with the door here. I mean.

GRACE: Explain.

SAPRAICONE: You have this -- husband, the boyfriend goes to work every night. He works until 2:00, 3:00 in the morning, so this girl closes this door and locks that door because she`s the caretaker there, for this 3-year-old and this 5-year-old. How does that just so happen to be open that evening? And how does a predator just happen to come to that one particular trailer and find that door open?

I mean is there any indication that somebody tried other doors in the trail park? No, we don`t have that. So he just happens to wander into this one trailer, open that door and sure enough there`s a 5-year-old girl he can take out of that bedroom. That doesn`t add up.

I`d like to look at the inner circle a little bit. And then I`d like to look at the nature under the friends. Something`s going on in that house. As you said before, we don`t know what happens to her after she gets home from school on Monday. We do know the father picked her up at school at 3:00 or 3:30 on Monday. But then we don`t know what happened? What`s the timeline from 3:00 until 10:00 that night when this girl Misty says she put her to bed at 8:00?

GRACE: You know, that`s an interesting point.

Michelle Sigona with "America`s Most Wanted," aren`t police saying that they`re taking the timeline back 30 days now?

SIGONA: Yes, police are definitely taking their time. They`re going back through the timeline. They also have closed off the entire mobile home, Nancy, at this time just in case they need to go back in and secure more evidence. They have collected that cinder block that was allegedly propped -- that propped up the door open and a few other things that have been sent to the crime lab in Jacksonville right now.

And they do have a forensic rush on those materials at this time and if they need to go back into the home to pull more things out at least they have it there readily accessible. So they are looking at a timeline. They are looking at people.

GRACE: Where is the family staying?

SIGONA: Right now -- evidently according to the dad as of just a couple of hours ago, he`s staying in a tent nearby. He described it to me as something, I guess, it`s just sort of a tent out in the open that he and the girlfriend are staying at and they`re not staying at the home.

GRACE: To the Dr. Zhongxue Hua, he`s the Union County, New Jersey medical examiner. Dr. Hua, thank you for being with us.

Dr. Hua, I want to talk to you about the cinder block that apparently had the backdoor propped open. What kind of forensic evidence can you get from a cement block?

DR. ZHONGXUE HUA, UNION CO., N.J. MEDICAL EXAMINER: The first thing is any fingerprints down there, is there any DNA down there? I mean lots of things can be tested and obviously have to be examined very carefully and don`t forget -- I mean one thing is use a cinder block to prop the door open, (INAUDIBLE), you have to touch the door to open the door. I mean there are lots of things you can look at at this point.

GRACE: I want to go back to the mother of little Haleigh and the maternal grandmother. Crystal Sheffield, Marie Griffis is joining us tonight.

Crystal, you have a problem with the door as well. What are your thoughts?

SHEFFIELD: Yes. I just -- it`s just -- if the door was locked like they said it was.

GRIFFIS: By Ronald.

SHEFFIELD: Ronald said he locked that door when he left for work and it`s supposedly high up enough to where Haleigh could not reach it, I just don`t understand how somebody just got in there and nothing was broke on the door.

GRACE: Was it a padlock or a.

SHEFFIELD: Someone had to have a key.

GRACE: A dead bolt or a padlock?

SHEFFIELD: A dead bolt. A dead bolt.

GRACE: To.

SHEFFIELD: It was a dead bolt.

GRACE: To Joy Purdy with WTLV, was there sign of forced entry?

PURDY: That`s another interesting story because we`re getting conflicting reports. We`ve heard, at first, that there was a sign of forced entry. The police here tell us there was no sign of forced entry. So they`re still interviewing, trying to figure out what exactly is going on here.

GRACE: Joy, have you looked at the door even at a distance?

PURDY: We did look at a door. You can`t see -- you do have quite a bit of access. You can go right up to the home even though there`s police crime tape against it.

GRACE: Right.

PURDY: You can see three sides of the home, but you can`t see the fourth side on the back.

GRACE: Got it.

PURDY: You can see a door. You can see a screen door.

GRACE: To.

PURDY: So we don`t know if that`s the actual door.

GRACE: Back to Crystal and Marie. Crystal, have you been in the home since you`ve been there on Monday?

SHEFFIELD: Yes, I have not. No, I have not.

GRACE: You have not? Marie, have you?

SHEFFIELD: No.

GRACE: Do you have any.

GRIFFIS: No, I haven`t been...

GRACE: Do you have any idea what kind of lock was on the backdoor?

GRIFFIS: No, we don`t. All we know is Ronald said there was a dead bolt on the backdoor on the inside that was up high enough that Haleigh couldn`t.

GRACE: OK.

GRIFFIS: . get to it and that he locked and secured that door before he went to work.

GRACE: Dead bolt. All right, back to the lawyers, Eleanor Dixon, Peter Odom, Gwen Lindsay-Jackson.

Eleanor, what do you make of it?

DIXON: Well, the door is important, but you know what else is important is the cell phone records, Nancy. Nobody has mentioned that. Did the mom call anyone that night? Did dad -- I mean the girlfriend, did the dad call anyone at night? Those could tell you a lot as well.

GRACE: What about it, Peter?

ODOM: Nancy, I think that the propped open door adds credence to Misty`s story. Anyone who is abducting this child would want to get out of the house quickly while carrying a child and they would want to prop open that door. So I`m falling on Misty`s side on -- that fact.

GRACE: And to Gwen Lindsay-Jackson, I know that there are inconsistencies right now with the girlfriend`s story. But you got to remember not far from this spot, almost the exact same scenario, Jesse Lunsford was taken out of the grandparent`s home. They were asleep feet away. She was taken out of her bed. Nobody heard a word.

LINDSAY-JACKSON: Yes, that`s certainly the case. But in here my gut feeling is we need to look a little more closely at this 17-year-old. I don`t like the fact that her statement apparently is changing. I sort of think that when she said originally that they were in the bed together, that`s what she said and that`s what we`re hearing, that she was under so much stress that she was making that excited utterance, and that`s what happened.

Now whether or not she left that child unattended after that husband or that boyfriend left and she`s afraid to tell the truth, that`s another story. We know that the child probably couldn`t have unlocked the door? Did she leave and then leave the house unsecure? Was there something else that happened in the home? Did somebody else come? Did she let somebody else into the house? Was there a fight? What happened?

I think they need to squeeze the 17-year-old, Nancy. I`m troubled with her.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are offering opportunities to make free wide open statements, free-form statements. And we`re offering polygraphs to everybody, to give them the opportunity to eliminate themselves as suspects. All the world are suspects right now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Now, last night when I spoke to the father, Ronald Cummings, he told me there was just a plastic lock on the door that it would not have been hard to break into.

To Danielle in Ohio, hi, Danielle.

DANIELLE, FROM OHIO: Hi, Nancy. First of all.

GRACE: What`s your question, dear?

DANIELLE: First of all, I want to tell you you`re great. Love the twins. I would like to know if the police are using any type of heat seeking technology on helicopters to search the woods.

GRACE: I believe they are using infrared. What about it, Joy Purdy?

PURDY: They definitely are. We`ve seen the helicopter from the floor.

GRACE: OK.

PURDY: . of Fisher Wildlife Commission all day. They have infrared on it.

GRACE: To Courtney in Colorado, hi, Courtney.

COURTNEY, FROM COLORADO: Hi, I just wanted to tell you that we love your show. We watch it all the time.

GRACE: Thank you.

COURTNEY: Well, the question on my mind is she`s 17 years old.

GRACE: Right.

COURTNEY: The dad is at work.

GRACE: Right.

COURTNEY: Isn`t it possible that she could have friends or, you know, someone else come over during that time and leave the door propped for them to come in and out without disturbing the kids while sleeping?

GRACE: OK. First of all, thank you for watching faithfully and for calling in.

What about that scenario, Michelle Sigona?

SIGONA: Here`s what we do know, Nancy. At this point, from what she has told investigators, no one else was in the home at the time. Whether that door was propped open after the father left for work at 4:00 p.m., he did not get home until 3:30 in the morning, it`s hard to tell. She did not -- the girlfriend did not go to bed until 10:00 at night. She alleged that the children went to bed around 8:00 p.m. at night. So did she have someone there between 10:00 p.m. and 3:30 a.m.? It`s possible but we`re not too sure.

GRACE: Well, we haven`t heard that scenario from any of the law enforcement.

Everyone, I want to give you a tip line, 386-329-0808. There`s $35,000 reward.

Let`s stop and remember, Army Private Jordan Thibeault, 22, South Jordan, Utah, killed Iraq on a second tour. Awarded the Army Commendation Medal. Loved airplanes, military history, math. Leaves behind parents John and Celeste, one sister.

Jordan Thibeault, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 01:10:08 AM
I am hoping the LE will check everyone that was there and left also.

I remember in the Danielle Van Dam case, David Westerfield put Danielle in his motor home and on Sat. morning, left and didn't return until Sunday afternoon, after

throwing her body out like trash....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 01:12:43 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.
Klaas, its really weird that the mothers name is also Chrystal Marie, the child is Haleigh Marie, and the GrandMothers name is Marie, could go by her middle name not sure, but its just too weird.....

I am putting together a who's who and a timeline, and I think:
Teresa Never, grandmother, Ronald's mother
Nancy Griffis, 43, grandmother, Crystal's mother

Am I wrong? I don't see a Grandmother named Marie?
No  Crystals Mothers name is Marie Griffis according to this article and a earlier video I watched, the news lady called her Marie,,,,

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/

Myspace for Marie mother of Crystal

http://www.myspace.com/luckylady1207


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 13, 2009, 01:21:27 AM
the father has a good size bandage on the side of his neck towards the back. i wonder when that happened.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 01:25:30 AM
Thanks Leslie and Brandi.  I wanted the exact street address so I could pull a good sex offender list within 1 mile.
Klaas, its really weird that the mothers name is also Chrystal Marie, the child is Haleigh Marie, and the GrandMothers name is Marie, could go by her middle name not sure, but its just too weird.....

I am putting together a who's who and a timeline, and I think:
Teresa Never, grandmother, Ronald's mother
Nancy Griffis, 43, grandmother, Crystal's mother

Am I wrong? I don't see a Grandmother named Marie?
No  Crystals Mothers name is Marie Griffis according to this article and a earlier video I watched, the news lady called her Marie,,,,

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/

Myspace for Marie mother of Crystal

http://www.myspace.com/luckylady1207

...and Crystal's (Haleigh's mother) is at: http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 01:42:11 AM
the father has a good size bandage on the side of his neck towards the back. i wonder when that happened.
He also had a blood blister on his thumb... I noticed that in the first interview with his mother beside him and he was on the ground.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 01:48:07 AM
Klaas,

Did you see this one

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ViewOffenderMap.asp?oID=FL8989&aID=169547553&at=1&sid={368D3D28-2602-4AE4-9611-9A5E1973310F}&lat=29.573207&long=-81.673051&clr=%23ff0000&rm=0

First Name: Kyle
Middle Name: S
Last Name: Johns
 

Conviction
Conviction date: 2/28/1995
LEWDLASCIVIOUS CHILD U/16; F.S. 800.04 (PRINCIPAL)
Offender's age at conviction: 24
 
Source of Information:  Florida Offender Registry

Home Address
212 MONROE AVE 
SATSUMA, FL 32189-2826

Right around the corner from the Cummings residence.

I can't do the map thingie.

I wonder where the bus stop (if one) was for Haleigh.

I remember LE (news conference) saying there was a sex offender within 100 yds. of residence.



 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 13, 2009, 01:56:30 AM
the father has a good size bandage on the side of his neck towards the back. i wonder when that happened.
He also had a blood blister on his thumb... I noticed that in the first interview with his mother beside him and he was on the ground.

hm, i guess they could possibly be work related, i believe he operates some kind of heavy machinery?

just musing aloud, the neck bandage just struck me as a spot if someone was struggling against you could easily get marked up by scratches.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 13, 2009, 02:02:12 AM
BioMom must have been one bad mom to lose custody of both the kids because Daddy is no friend of the law himself.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3303300&postcount=200


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 13, 2009, 02:02:49 AM
the father has a good size bandage on the side of his neck towards the back. i wonder when that happened.
He also had a blood blister on his thumb... I noticed that in the first interview with his mother beside him and he was on the ground.

hm, i guess they could possibly be work related, i believe he operates some kind of heavy machinery?

just musing aloud, the neck bandage just struck me as a spot if someone was struggling against you could easily get marked up by scratches.

He operates a crane, IIRC.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 13, 2009, 02:09:10 AM
the father has a good size bandage on the side of his neck towards the back. i wonder when that happened.
He also had a blood blister on his thumb... I noticed that in the first interview with his mother beside him and he was on the ground.

hm, i guess they could possibly be work related, i believe he operates some kind of heavy machinery?

just musing aloud, the neck bandage just struck me as a spot if someone was struggling against you could easily get marked up by scratches.

He operates a crane, IIRC.

oh yes, thats right. thank you pink angel. for some kind of bridge project i think.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 13, 2009, 02:49:20 AM
Quote
Ronald Cummings: “if I find whoever has my daughter before you all do, I’m killing THEM…I don’t care- I will spend the rest of my life in prison….you can put that on the recording…I don’t care.”

Quote
Girlfriend:
"I wished THEY'D took me instead of her, because I could have fought," Croslin said. "She's only 5; she can't really do anything. What do THEY want with a little 5-year-old?"

Who is THEY an THEM? It makes it sound like they know it's more than one.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 03:25:37 AM
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/Lunsford_021209

Lunsford offers support
Shannon Mulaire
HOMOSASSA - On February 24th, it will have been four years since Mark Lunsford last saw his little girl.

"These things, they cut deep. And those wounds don't heal," explains Lunsford.

Jessica was abducted from her mobile home in the early hours of the morning in February of 2005. Lunsford pleaded for her safe return.

"I just ask you to please help me find my daughter and bring her home," begged Lunsford.

The two were never reunited. Authorities later found her body buried near the home of John Couey. She had been raped and killed.

Couey has since been convicted. But Thursday Lunsford finds himself reliving certain aspects of his horror.

"I could only watch him twice. The first time was a surprise, the second time it was an echo of some things I've already heard," says Lunsford.

The father of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings is pleading for her safe return. To Lunsford, it's another distraught father and another missing Florida girl. Lunsford says he knows just what her father is focusing on.

"His daughter. That's the only thing that's on his mind. He's hurting, he's angry and you know these are all words I heard them say about me."

Police say Cummings, just like Lunsford was abducted from her bedroom in the early hours of the morning. And just like in Jessie's case, authorities are combing the area surrounding her house hoping to find any trace of the 5 year old.

As the hours pass, Haleigh's face is becoming more and more familiar. Police hope that will help bring her home. Lunsford hopes for the same. Though he says there's little he can do to ease the pain of a father searching for his little girl, he makes it clear Cummings has his support.

"Just hang in there man. You've got a long ways to go and there's a fight. There's fight and there's a fight when it's all done too. I hope to see you there," offers Lunsford.

In 2007, John Couey was convicted of Jessica's abduction and rape and sentenced to death. Lunsford has since lobbied for the Jessica Lunsford Act which toughens laws regarding sex offenders. It was passed in 2005.

Interview with Mark at this site.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 03:35:12 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131162&catid=17

Search for Haleigh to Resume Friday
Posted By: Gary Detman     Created: 2/12/2009 10:48:30 AM    Updated: 2/13/2009 12:05:07 AM


SATSUMA, FL -- A third night passes and still no sign of Haleigh Cummings, the five-year-old girl who vanished from her home.

Authorities are preparing for a massive search effort to resume Friday morning, possibly with volunteers, while her friends and family are holding vigil by candlelight Thursday night in an effort to comfort her family at this time of uncertainty.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office put a fresh set of eyes in the field Thursday.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy says his team is working with Texas EquuSearch, a volunteer search team known for helping in missing persons cases across the country, to help find Haleigh.

"A child is missing and that's what we're most concerned about," said Sheriff Hardy.

MORE: VISIT OUR AMBER ALERT SPECIAL SECTION FOR COMPLETE COVERAGE OF THE SEARCH FOR HALEIGH

Haleigh Cummings hasn't been seen since Monday when she went to bed at her father's home in Satsuma.

Sheriff Hardy says boats and divers flooded area waterways, and bloodhounds and crews searched the woods again, just to make sure they haven't missed anything.

Clouds and drizzle had the aerial search effort on hold early Thursday, but the grey skies gave way to sunshine and the helicopters returned to the air.

Civilian volunteers have been kept at bay for right now, except for EquuSearch, a volunteer search team out of Texas that has been on the front lines of many high-profile missing persons cases.

EquuSearch director Tim Miller says his crews will focus on the woods behind Haleigh's home sometime Friday and use Thursday as a day to map out the area.

The sheriff says his teams have collected evidence but would not comment on any of it. Hardy also would not say whether investigators are following up on any leads out of state.

Hardy says the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father, Misty Croslin, has taken a polygraph exam, but wouldn't discuss its results.

Croslin is at the center of another development. She told reporters Thursday Haleigh slept in a separate bed. Croslin didn't say whether the bed is in another room or in the same room where she and Haleigh's younger brother slept. But the account differs from what investigators said she said earlier this week.

Haleigh's younger brother is turning 4 years old on Sunday.

The white fence around Haleigh's neighborhood just north of Satsuma continues to be adorned with cards, teddy bears, blankets and notes of support for her family and safe return.

Faculty and classmates at her elementary school collected supplies and food for her family. They wrote letters to deliver to her family on Friday.

Some of Haleigh's classmates held a candlelight vigil with her mother's family Thursday night.

"It's not about race, it's not about nothing else because if something were to happen to my children I'd want people to come out too," said Chaketa Jenkins.

A vigil with Haleigh's father down the street is set to take place a short time later.


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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 03:49:15 AM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3302189#post3302189

The owner of the mobile home and land that the dad lives in is ALSO THE OWNER OF THE MOBILE HOME AND LAND THAT ONE OF THE SOs LIVES IN!!! Ack!

Here's KJ's land record: 

http://www.putnam-fl.com/patc.inq/pa/cpa2.pl?id=60824

Here's Ron Cummings' land record:

http://www.putnam-fl.com/patc.inq/pa/cpa2.pl?id=92469

Same landlord.

Kyle S Johns
212 Monroe Ave.
Satsuma, FL






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 03:55:19 AM
Quote
Ronald Cummings: “if I find whoever has my daughter before you all do, I’m killing THEM…I don’t care- I will spend the rest of my life in prison….you can put that on the recording…I don’t care.”

Quote
Girlfriend:
"I wished THEY'D took me instead of her, because I could have fought," Croslin said. "She's only 5; she can't really do anything. What do THEY want with a little 5-year-old?"

Who is THEY an THEM? It makes it sound like they know it's more than one.

I think people use "they" and "them" when they are unsure of the gender of the person about whom they are speaking.

For instance, someone came to my door while I was indisposed, and they left before I could answer it.

(Rather than saying, he or she left before I could answer it.)

Just my thinking about that. ;-)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 04:01:52 AM
Several Groups Offer Help In Search For Haleigh

WJXT-TV
updated 12:46 a.m. ET, Fri., Feb. 13, 2009

SATSUMA, Fla. - As word of Haleigh Cummings' disappearance garners national attention, several men who have been in similar situations as the 5-year-old's father have come forward to help with the search and lend their support.

Texas Equusearch, a mounted search-and-rescue group that helped search for missing Orlando toddler Caylee Anthony last fall, had about nine people in Satsuma on Thursday. The group said it has access to about 200 volunteers in the Orlando area.

Texas Equusearch is known for using different resources, such as horses and three different types of sonar technology, in searches.
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"I've been in the same shoes as this family when my own daughter disappeared. Unfortunately, 17 months later, her body was found. I made a promise to God that I'd never leave another family alone," said Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office asked for the group's help, hoping the new sets of eyes will help lead them to Haleigh.

"A fresh set of eyes, and they'll be able to cover some of the terrain that is very difficult to get to. They'll be able to do it by horseback," said Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy.

Volunteers with Texas Equusearch have worked on more than 1,000 cases, including the search for Natalie Halloway and Caylee.

"We just didn't think we'd be back in Florida this close to where Caylee disappeared in this short period of time. It brings back some painful memories," Miller said.

Although Haleigh hasn't been seen for three days, Miller said he is hopeful for her safe return.

"It's warm and it's in Florida. A 5-year-old, if she wandered away, would be able to probably survive out there," Miller said.

The volunteers with Texas Equusearch said they understand that this is a critical time in the search for Haleigh and they were working on Thursday to determine exactly where to search and how much manpower, horses and ATVs they might need. They said their most recent successful search was last week, when they found a missing 2-year-old child.

Also in Satsuma on Thursday was Caylee's grandfather, George Anthony, who was at the Putnam County command post to meet with Ronald Cummings, his family and friends, and offer any support the family needs.

"They need the community's support. They do not need to be judged. They do not need to be scrutinized," Anthony said. "They need your help. (The) community needs to come together to help this family to bring this beautiful little girl home."

Earlier in the week, Joshua Duckett and his family stopped in Putnam County to offer support. Duckett's son, Trenton, disappeared more than two years ago and has not been found.

The father said he and his family were in Orlando for the memorial service for Caylee, and as they were on their way home they heard of Haleigh's disappearance and stopped by the Cummings' home.

"I know exactly what they're going through, and by coming over here I'm able to offer a helping hand and say, 'Hey, I'm going what you're going through and I know what it feels like and what to expect. Here's a shoulder to lean on if you need it. I'm here and will to do whatever it takes to find this little girl,'" Duckett said.

Celebrity bounty hunter Leonard Padilla, who was also involved in the Anthony case, has offered a $25,000 reward if Haleigh is returned before midnight Saturday. Also, a $5,000 reward for information leading to Haleigh's return is being offered by the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation out of California.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29171366/


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 07:15:03 AM
BioMom must have been one bad mom to lose custody of both the kids because Daddy is no friend of the law himself.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3303300&postcount=200

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: I suspected he might be involved with drugs.....mainly because his attitude and his reactions remind me of my brother. Also, I suspect he has some anger issues from listening to the 911 tape and the way he spoke about his GF, she seems to be afraid of him somewhat during the interviews they have had together. I'm still supicous of them both if for nothing less than raising the two babies in what seems to be a troubled enviroment......also heard he has a 9mm in the trailer.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 07:48:22 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," February 12, 2009. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Now we take you live to Florida, where the intense search for Haleigh Cummings continues. Haleigh's father Ronald and his girlfriend Misty are both here.

Here's what we know: At 3:00 a.m. Monday morning, Misty says she found Haleigh missing from the bed they were sharing. At about 3:25 Ronald returns home from work.

Two few minutes later, at 3:27 a.m., Misty calls 911 and reports Haleigh missing. Since then, nothing. The toddler is gone.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, joins us live, along with his girlfriend Misty Croslin. Welcome to both of you, and, Ronald, is there any update in the last 24 hours in the search for your daughter?

RONALD CUMMINGS, HALEIGH'S FATHER: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Have there been any sightings and tips coming in, Ronald, anything at all like that?

CUMMINGS: Plenty of tips. Most of them are bogus. The law enforcement agencies are doing everything they can. I think they got approximately 50 horses coming in. They will start doing a ground search with horses and dogs.

They are doing everything they can. Federal agents, numerous different county sheriffs are out here. They're really trying to help us.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, what is Haleigh like?

MISTY CROSLIN, AT HOME WHEN HALEIGH DISAPPEARED: She is a real big girl. She is fun to be around. She is always happy. She's real smart, intelligent.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, is she the type that would walk off with a stranger?

CROSLIN: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ronald, is she the type that would wander off with a stranger at all, or is she a shy child?

CUMMINGS: Absolutely not. She is definitely shy. She would never walk off with a stranger for no reason. Besides, it was dark, and she is afraid of the dark.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, the other night, Monday night, you saw her about 10:00, Is that correct?

CROSLIN: What was that?

VAN SUSTEREN: You last saw Haleigh at about 10:00 Monday night when she was in bed? Is that right, Misty?

CROSLIN: Yes, ma'am.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was anything going on with her? Did she fall asleep easily? Was she at all anxious, getting up and leaving the bed?

CROSLIN: No. She had school, so I put her to bed about 8:00 because that is her bedtime so she can get up and go to school, so she's not tired.

VAN SUSTEREN: Were you in the same bed with Haleigh, Misty?

CROSLIN: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Were you in the same room?

CROSLIN: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: So, tell me what happened. Tell me, did you hear anything between the time you saw her it 10:00 and the time that you woke up and notice she was missing? Did you hear any noises?

CROSLIN: No, ma'am. I did not hear anything.

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you been drinking or anything so you would be in a heavy, deep sleep all that night?

CROSLIN: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: So, tell me what happened. You got up to use the bathroom, is that right?

CROSLIN: Yes. I got up to use the bathroom. I did not make it to the bathroom. I walked into the living room and noticed the kitchen light was on. And I saw the back door open. And when I saw the back door open, I ran back into the bedroom, and that's when I noticed she was gone.
VAN SUSTEREN: And so, Ronald, you came home about 3:25 a.m. from work?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you come in the front door or the back door of that double wide, Ronald?

CUMMINGS: I came in the front door. I pulled into the driveway. She was standing at the front door, and I wanted to know what she was doing up, first, at that time of night. Usually, she is in bed asleep.

And she told me that she just got up to use the bathroom, and that she saw that Haleigh was not in her bed. She went to find her, and the back door was wide open, and she was nowhere to be found. She was gone.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, had you been the one to block that back door?

CROSLIN: No, I did not lock the back door because the back door is always locked. We really do not use the back door.

CUMMINGS: Absolutely.

VAN SUSTEREN: What kind of lock is on that back door? Is it a deadbolt? Do you need a key, or is there a know on the inside? How do you work that back door lock?

CUMMINGS: There is a lock on the knob on the inside, and it has a deadbolt also. The deadbolt is very hard to get unlocked once you get it locked. You have to push in hard on the door, and a child would never get that unlocked.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty--go ahead. I'm sorry, Ronald.

CUMMINGS: I do keep it locked. I do check it every afternoon before I leave for work. It is always locked, always.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, do you ever use that doo yourself, go in and out that door?

CROSLIN: I mean, once in awhile I will take the garbage out through the back door, or leave through the back door and take a vacuum and vacuum the car out. But that is the only time we use the back door.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, did anyone come over to the house that evening while Ronald was at work? Any friends come over?

CROSLIN: No. My older brother had come over with my nephews, and the AC guy.

VAN SUSTEREN: What time did they leave?

CROSLIN: They got there about 5:00. And they stayed for about 30 minutes until about 5:30, 5:45.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ronald, I understand that there does not appear to be any forced entry into the home in that back door. So how do you think it got open?

CUMMINGS: I honestly don't have any clue. I don't have any clue. Somebody, maybe a locksmith, picklock artist, I do not know. But it was definitely locked, and somebody came in through it. So I cannot explain it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, let me ask you this same question. Misty, how do you think that door got open?

CROSLIN: Someone had either picked the lock, they would have had to pick the lock. That is the only way that anybody could have gotten in our back door is if they picked the lock.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of where you were sleeping, Misty, and Haleigh was sleeping, who was closer to the back door?

CROSLIN: Haleigh would have probably been closer to the back door. She was on the side of the wall closest to the kitchen.

VAN SUSTEREN: How far was Haleigh physically sleeping from you?

CUMMINGS: Probably not three or four inches away. She was in front of the TV, not that far away at all.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you say three or four inches away?

CROSLIN: I mean, I am not sure. It was not that far away.

VAN SUSTEREN: Can you hold up your hands and show how far away she was sleeping?

CROSLIN: Probably from both of these chairs put together from my bed.

VAN SUSTEREN: About as far as Ronald is from you?

CROSLIN: Yes.

CUMMINGS: No.

CROSLIN: No?

CUMMINGS: I know where the beds were at. They are about four feet apart from the edge of the bed she was in to the edge of the bed Haleigh was in.

CROSLIN: I was not measuring or anything like that, so--

VAN SUSTEREN: I know you both took a polygraph today. Did they say you were deceptive or not on the polygraph. Did they tell you how your results were? How were yours, Ronald?

CUMMINGS: Absolutely, they did. And it was not today that we took a polygraph. We took the polygraph yesterday. And, yes, we both did pass.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, what did they say about your results?

CROSLIN: You mean that I passed?

VAN SUSTEREN: Did they use the word "pass," or did they say there was no sign of deception?

CUMMINGS: They told me that I passed.

CROSLIN: They really did not say much to me.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, we are hopeful that putting the spotlight on this, people will call in tips if they know anything at all about this child, because I know that you both want her back very badly.

Ronald, Misty, thank you, and let's hope we get some good news soon. Thank you both very much.

CUMMINGS: Thank you.

CROSLIN: Thank you.

VAN SUSTEREN: We have more information about little Haleigh. George Anthony, the grandfather of murdered Caylee Anthony, has something to say about this new child's disappearance. Why is George Anthony speaking out? You're going to hear that next.

Plus, "The Best of the Rest." Britney Spears is back in the headlines. The headlines involve an angry ex-boyfriend, a car, and an alleged hit and run.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: At this hour there remains grave concern about five-year-old Haleigh Cummings. George Anthony, the grandfather of murdered toddler Caylee Anthony, has some advice for the family of the missing girl.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE ANTHONY: They need to be in support of each other. They need to be there no matter what. They need to reach out.

And things get tough. There are tough days and hours and minutes. To know that they can reach out to me, to Josh, to my wife Cindy, to my son, other families that understand.

This is not about me. This is about Haleigh Anne Marie Cummings, age five, that needs to be found and brought home to this beautiful family.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VAN SUSTEREN: Joining us live is WOFL reporter Cheryl Getuiza. Cheryl, thank you for joining us.

And Cheryl, I want to just first get this lie-detector, polygraph thing settled. Do you know who has taken a polygraph and whether or not anyone has been found to be deceptive or not, with the understanding that they're not perfect tests?

CHERYL GETUIZA, REPORTER, WOFL: Greta, investigators told us so far two people have taken the lie-detector test, and that is the girl's father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin. As to the results of the test, they would not let us know, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is the working theory of the police? Is it that someone invaded that home? Is there any sign that there is any forced entry, or not?

GETUIZA: Greta, they are now calling this an "abduction." They are going by what Misty Croslin told them, is that she got to go pee, and when she went back into the bedroom to see the kids, Haleigh was missing  and the back door was open. And it was propped open by a cinderblock. So they're testing that cinderblock right now. They also took a whole bunch of other evidence. As to what evidence they took, they won't tell us. They told us, though, it is now being analyzed at a lab.

VAN SUSTEREN: I understand there are a number of registered sex offenders in the area they are looking at.

GETUIZA: Greta, 44 registered sex offenders within a five mile radius in this family's neighborhood. They said they have talked to a majority of those sex offenders. So far, none of them are suspects.

And, really, right now they have no suspect information. They're just trying to gather some information from the family. They interviewed them day in and day out, and still nothing.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is that community like? Do the people tend to know each other in the immediate area of their home?

GETUIZA: Greta, this is a very small community. It is very tight knit.

They have been having vigils every night since Haleigh disappeared. This is the third night in a row. These are neighbors and strangers coming together to help this young family.

It is an older retirement community, but Haleigh's father and his girlfriend with the two kids have lived in the home for some time.

VAN SUSTEREN: And in terms of neighbors, has anybody seen anybody stalking or doing anything peculiar? Has the child been out in the yard in the weeks past and anyone has been hanging out? Anything weird like that?

GETUIZA: Nothing to note, Greta, but the investigators have gone door to door to every single home in this mobile park, talking to every single person who is staying in those homes.

And no one has any information. Nothing suspicious has come onto the radar for investigators. But, again, they will continue talking to these neighbors to see if anything has come up.

VAN SUSTEREN: We only have 20 seconds left. There's a body of water close by, right--a pond or something?

GETUIZA: Yes, it is the St. Johns River.

Near the family's home, there is one mobile home next to them. And on the other side of the family's home is a very extensive wooded area. And just past that, 500 yards, is the St. Johns River. For the past three days, divers have gone into that river and done grid searches, and so far, they have found nothing, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: How about relatives of Misty who were over there that afternoon? Have they looked at them?

GETUIZA: Relatives--Misty's parents have not come out and said anything. Ronald's parents were here this afternoon, and they are here supporting Ronald and Misty.

But we did hear from Misty, and you talked to her earlier.

VAN SUSTEREN: I am sorry. I have got to go, Cheryl. Thank you.


 ::MonkeyConfused:: Compare to previous statements from NG transcripts:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html

GRACE: How could this little girl just vanish into thin air out of her own bed? The father, working the night shift, comes home to find his baby girl is gone.

I want to go straight to him, everyone. The tip line, 386-329-0808 -- 386-329-386-329-0808. Let me remind you that every minute counts. Every minute that she has been gone counts. One minute could save her life.

With me right now, the father of little Haleigh, Ronald Cummings, is with us. Mr. Cummings, you and your family are in so many prayers across the country right now. Please tell us what happened when you got home from work that night. I believe it was around 3:00 AM.

CUMMINGS: Actually, it was about 3:25, 3:27.

GRACE: OK.

CUMMINGS: And I pulled into the yard, and my girlfriend opened the front door, and I already knew something was wrong because she`s not up at this time. She told me -- I said, What are you doing up at this time? She said, Your back door`s wide open and your daughter`s gone.

GRACE: What is her description -- what scenario took place?

CUMMINGS: She got out of bed and went to use the restroom and came back to find that my daughter was not in bed with her.
GRACE: OK, what time did...

CUMMINGS: And the back door was wide open and she was -- and she was gone.

GRACE: Ronald, what time did she put Haleigh to bed?

CUMMINGS: She puts them to bed every night at 8:00 o`clock.

GRACE: At 8:00 o`clock. When she put...

CUMMINGS: And...

GRACE: When she put her to bed at 8:00 o`clock, did she also put to bed the little 4-year-old boy?

CUMMINGS: Yes, she did.

GRACE: OK. What time did she go to bed?

CUMMINGS: Approximately 10:30, 11:00.

GRACE: At 10:30, 11:00. At that time, was little Haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

GRACE: And they all slept together in the same bed, correct?

CASAREZ: Yes.

GRACE: So sometime between 11:00 PM and 3:30 AM, Haleigh goes missing. Now, did she call 911?

CUMMINGS: No, she did not, not until after I was there. She tried to call me, but I was pulling in the driveway. So I asked her how come she was trying to call me, she needed to call 911. So she immediately called them then.

GRACE: And where does the biological mother live, Ronald? Ronald, where does the mom live? OK, I think somehow -- I think I`ve lost his connection. Liz, see if you can bring Ronald back up. Ronald, where does the mother...

CUMMINGS: I got you. I got you.

GRACE: OK. Good. Everyone, Ronald Cummings is joining us there at the command center in Satsuma, Florida. Mr. Cummings, where does Haleigh`s mother live?

CUMMINGS: In Baker County, in Glenn St. Mary (ph).

GRACE: What is that, about 150 miles away?

CUMMINGS: I would say approximately 90 to 100.

GRACE: Now, have you and your girlfriend both taken a polygraph, right?

CUMMINGS: Yes, I have. Passed it with flying colors. Yes, she has. Passed hers.

GRACE: And you volunteered to do that and you`ve been cooperating with police, right?

CUMMINGS: Yes. Why not? I don`t have anything to hide. I just want my daughter back. Anything that`s going to help them eliminate more people, that`s the best thing.

GRACE: Exactly. Mr. Cummings, you said the door was propped open. Describe to me what you saw when you got home.

CUMMINGS: I came in the house and immediately checked all the bedrooms, the bathroom, everywhere, just to be sure, and walked to the back door, it was wide open. As I walked out the back door, the screen door was propped open with a cinderblock.

GRACE: Everyone, joining me from Satsuma, Florida, is Mr. Ronald Cummings. He was at work as usual when his daughter goes missing. Take a listen to this 911 call.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: What does she look like? How tall is she? Give me some description of her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She has, like -- like, long hair, curly, like, curls.

911 OPERATOR: Long curled. What color?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s white.

911 OPERATOR: OK. What color hair?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s got brown hair.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Brown hair?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Oh, my God! (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK. How tall is she, about? Or how much does she weigh? Do you know that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Huh?

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And if anybody around here that knows me has got my granddaughter, bring her home. Just bring her to my house and drop her off. You know where I live. Just bring her home. Just bring her back to us. She`s my sixth generation grandchild, grandbaby, and we want her back. Just bring her back to us. She`s our heart. She`s my first baby from my first baby. I want her back. Please bring her home. Bring her to somebody. Drop her off somewhere and call 911. Somebody`ll pick her up.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: OK, listen to me. I`m getting this information. I`m not the officer driving out there, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

911 OPERATOR: They`re coming out there to handle that situation. I need to gather all her information from you over the phone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

911 OPERATOR: It has nothing to do with me driving out there. The officers are taking care of that, OK? They`re coming out there, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

911 OPERATOR: OK. I`m going to stay on the phone with you, OK...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

911 OPERATOR: ... until they get there, all right? Tell him we`ve got them coming. He needs to try to calm down a little bit, OK? The officers are going to come out there and do what they can. We can`t have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there, OK?

911 OPERATOR: OK, was your back door locked do you know?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. The back door always stays locked.

FATHER: I need somebody (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK, let me speak to her (INAUDIBLE)

CUMMINGS: I just got home from work, my 5-year-old daughter is gone. I need somebody to be here now, I`m telling you.

911 OPERATOR: Listen to me. Listen to me. We`ve got two officers...

CUMMINGS: If I find whoever has my daughter before y`all do, I`m killing him. I don`t care. I`ll spend the rest of my life in prison, I`m telling you. You can put it on the report, and I don`t care.

911 OPERATOR: OK. It`s OK, sir. We`ve got them on the way. OK, can you give me any -- what kind of description of her pajamas that she was wearing?

CUMMINGS: I don`t (DELETED) know! I was at work!

911 OPERATOR: OK, sir, we`ve got them coming, OK?

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: A 5-year-old Satsuma, Florida, girl vanishes out of the bed she was sharing with her baby-sitter and her 4-year-old brother. Tonight, the father is with us -- he has just passed a polygraph test -- begging for your help. We are taking your calls live.

Back to Ronald Cummings, the father of 5-year-old Haleigh. Mr. Cummings, was the bedroom door open when they went to sleep?

CUMMINGS: Yes, it was.

GRACE: And what kind of a...

CUMMINGS: Yes, it was.

GRACE: OK. And what kind of a lock do you have on your door, the one that was propped open with a cinder block?

CUMMINGS: It`s just a little plastic lock on a -- just a regular screen door plastic lock.

GRACE: Do you know where the cinderblock came from that was propping the door open?

CUMMINGS: Don`t have a clue. I don`t mess with none of that, so I don`t know. I very rarely am in the back yard at all unless I`m washing my car. So it could have came from around my shed. I`m renting. I don`t know if the previous renters had it or what, but I`ve never seen it, I don`t believe.

GRACE: So to your knowledge, you`ve never seen it.

CUMMINGS: Not that I believe. I mean, I may be mistaken and have seen it before, but I know it wasn`t where it`s at now.

GRACE: Joining me right now, Natisha Lance. She`s standing by there at the Satsuma command center. Natisha, what can you tell me?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, just as you said, this started late Monday morning. At 3:00 o`clock in the morning, this little girl goes missing. Now, law enforcement has been very heavily involved from the very beginning since the time this little girl went missing. They`ve had helicopters up in the air. They`ve had boats in the water using sonar equipment to look for her. There was a scent that was found that was at the edge of this waterway, which is not too far away from the home.

Now, police have been looking in that waterway. They also have had helicopters up in the air. Eight agencies are involved. A hundred and fifty law enforcement officers were out there the first day. Fifty law enforcement officers are out there today. And these officers are saying that they are pledged to finding this little girl and bringing her home.

GRACE: Back to the father of 5-year-old Haleigh, Ronald Cummings, joining us from the command center. Ronald, the dogs picked up some sort of scent near the water. How far away is that from your home?

CUMMINGS: I don`t know, five or six, eight blocks, somewhere in there. Between five and eight blocks.

GRACE: And has Haleigh ever sleepwalked or left the home in the night before?

CUMMINGS: No way, never. She`s afraid of the dark.

GRACE: And Ronald, I don`t see a 5-year-old little girl picking up a cinderblock and propping the door open. That`s just not going to happen.

CUMMINGS: No.

GRACE: To Joy Purdy standing by there at the command center, reporter with WTLV. Joy, what more can you tell me about her disappearance? I`ve confirmed with Ronald Cummings that he has volunteered and passed a polygraph. What about the girlfriend that was in the bed with the little girl when she goes missing?

JOY PURDY, WTLV: It`s very interesting, Nancy. We have not seen the girlfriend at all today. Police tell us they did interview her thoroughly and that she`s now with family and friends recovering. Look, she`s 17 years old and has been through this traumatic experience. They say that she`s doing fine, under the circumstances.

There are a couple of other interesting points that came out today from the police. One is that -- and you`ll be interested to hear this -- in this five-mile radius of the home, there are 44 registered sex offenders in the area. There`s only 5,300 people in this town of Satsuma, 44 registered sex offenders. So you can imagine police have gone to them or are planning to go to them and find out their whereabouts when little Haleigh disappeared.

Also, you talked about it a little while ago with Ron, the polygraph - - they`re using them on many different people, not just him, other family members, other members of the community. They`re using them at will. The FBI is assisting.

Compare to this:


GRACE: OK. And what kind of a lock do you have on your door, the one that was propped open with a cinder block?

CUMMINGS: It`s just a little plastic lock on a — just a regular screen door plastic lock.


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: So, where was the baby really sleeping AND what type of lock, a plastic lock or a deadbolt as stated in beginning of my post..........WAY too many questions because a plastic lock and a dead bolt are not even remotely close to the same.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 13, 2009, 08:01:55 AM
I'm thinking the back door had the deadbolt lock, and then there was also the screen door which had the plastic lock. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 13, 2009, 08:03:38 AM
It's just too odd that Misty can't *decide* where Haleigh was actually sleeping. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 13, 2009, 08:07:43 AM
3 yrs old. I don't mind talking about it, frankly had I known what to look for, maybe it wouldn't have happened more than once...but, people are too afraid to talk about it and that just perpetuates the ability of these pervs trying to destroy our children.

I agree - looking back I could see all the signs that my SS was a child molester - and that my child had been molested. But at the time the parts did not seem to make a picture. It is too bad there is not a check list we could make of what to look for in both the molested and the molester. We could stop a lot of evil in the world.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 13, 2009, 08:07:54 AM
yikes.. I see big problems.. her affect is way off.. sometimes flat, sometimes defiant looking.. they better be looking at her REALLY good.. I am not feeling the love for her AT ALL  ::MonkeyNoNo::


I'm going back to what I said last night.  If it were me/my husband who'd "lost" our child,  we wouldn't be hanging out for interviews or lollygagging in a tent or otherwhere.  We would have gone nuts looking for her, and like a poster mentioned earlier re. the lost child on the beach, our screaming our childs name would have continued until our voices gave out and we collapsed from exhaustion.

Its too heartbreaking to even imagine...so that's why "affect" and these ridiculous interviews tick me off to no end...and certainly color my opinions. 

A picture does tell a thousand words (I think).

Foggy
I am not exaclty sure what you mean, Foggy, but my mentioning the 17 yr olds "affect" was mentioned purely from a psych point of view. I am a trained pysch nurse with experience in evaluating people as they present themselves. Notice I have said nothing about the dad. He presented as appropriate to the circumstance.. She DID NOT..why are you ticked off? If I ticked you off, I am certainly sorry, but it is moo  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 08:08:24 AM
It's just too odd that Misty can't *decide* where Haleigh was actually sleeping. 

I agree, that is an easy question and the fact that she's changed her story 3x;s is hinky to me.
Also, the father never even mentions the back door with the deadbolt until a day or two later, first it was a plastic lock then it becomes a deadbolt that was opened by a locksmith or someone who is a pick artist. I also question why a perp needed a cinder block to prop the door open, it's not like a burglary where you'd be moving tv's etc out of the house and why would a perp leave the door wide open and draw attention to the fact a crime had occured, he would want it to go undiscovered as long as possible. That is what is truly odd to me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 13, 2009, 08:09:29 AM
 SATSUMA -- For the first time, Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old who was watching her boyfriend's children the night 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared, explained in public what she recalls from Monday night inside the Green Lane mobile home.

As hours became days following the disappearance, Croslin has been under scrutiny for being the last one to see her when she put the little girl to bed Monday.

Authorities are calling the disappearance an abduction.


"I don't care what people are saying about me because I didn't do it," Croslin said Thursday.

In interviews that included questioning while hooked to a lie detector, Croslin said she had little to tell investigators about what happened.

"I was sleeping," she said. "I don't know what happened."

A pair of her nephews who are about Haleigh's age were at the mobile home where Croslin and Ronald Cummings, 25, live about 5 p.m. Monday.

Because Tuesday was a school day, Croslin put the kindergartner to bed around 8:15 p.m. About two hours later, Croslin said, she went to sleep with Cummings' son, 3-year-old Ronald Jr., in the same room.

Cummings was at work.

Haleigh was asleep in a separate bed by the television set, a family member said.

Croslin said she did not hear anything or notice anything wrong until she got up about 3 a.m.

"When I went to sleep she was there," she said. "When I woke up she was gone."

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office took Croslin's 911 call at 3:27 a.m., around the same time Cummings got home.

Thursday she said she had volunteered to take a polygraph test -- two of them.

"I was so shook up that night, I kept moving," she said of how stressful it's been. "I couldn't stay still. I was crying."

"We have all offered to take lie detectors," Cummings said of his family. He said there was no reason to believe that he or his girlfriend failed them.

He said he is willing to do what is needed.

"If you need to draw blood, draw blood," he said.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy said Croslin took the test, but he would not discuss outcomes of any polygraphs.

"Misty has been interviewed extensively," Hardy said. He said neighbors in the area have been helpful and that families have been "extremely cooperative."

Early Thursday afternoon Cummings along with family members and friends talked beneath a canopy with George Anthony, whose granddaughter Caylee disappeared in Orlando in what became an internationally recognized case.

Anthony said he decided Tuesday to come to Satsuma after a memorial to his granddaughter. He shared lunch and a private conversation for most of an hour beneath the canopy because authorities still had not allowed anyone to return to the mobile home.

"They do not need to be judged," Anthony then said before a bank of news cameras and reporters. "They do not need to be scrutinized."

Their most important strength will be what they share, Anthony said.

"They need to be in support of each other," he said. "They need to be there no matter what. They need to reach out when things get tough, and there's tough days, there's tough hours, there's tough minutes."

Cummings, with Croslin at his side, made his own appeal for his daughter's return.

"If you know anything about her whereabouts, if you have seen her, [if] somebody has contacted you that thinks they might have seen her, just contact the local authorities," he said. "We are trying to find my daughter and get her home safe. We want her back. That's all we want.

"We don't want revenge. We just want my daughter back."

He made a stark request to any abductor.

"Drop her off somewhere safe, call 911," he said. "If you've done something with her, tell us where she's at."

Hardy said efforts are expanding to include horseback searches of the palmetto scrub and pine woods in the south county community. Sporadically during the day, helicopters could be heard circling overhead, even as the search began turning to leads coming in to local, state and federal agencies.

As air and marine searches continued, Texas EquuSearch, a group specializing in horseback searches, arrived to begin mapping out the scrub.

"We'll expand this investigation as far as it needs to go," Hardy said. "We worked late into last night interviewing people."

Hardy said items have been sent for lab analysis but would not say what those were.

Interviewers have talked with friends and family of Cummings as well as Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, 23, of Baker County. Agents including those with the FBI have been tracking down registered sex offenders -- 44 are registered within 5 miles - for interviews.

Polygraphs have been offered to all those who have been interviewed.

As the day passed, searchers hacked with machetes to peer into the dense foliage for signs of Haleigh, helicopters flew overhead and search dogs scoured through.

Near nightfall, no discovery had been announced.

Hardy said no favorite toys or other items of Haleigh's appear to be missing from the mobile home off Buffalo Bluff Road.

"The best-case scenario is that we find this child alive and well," he said.

Cummings has custody of Haleigh and Ronald Jr. and shared parental responsibility with Sheffield, court records show.

He said in custodial court records that Haleigh had been diagnosed with Turner syndrome, a chromosomal abnormality that affects about 1-in-2,500 girls, and requires monthly checkups with a cardiologist and endocrinologist.

It was not clear if the condition would have an impact on Haleigh over a short period of time.

J. Atilio Canas, an endocrinologist at Nemours Children's Clinic, said it would depend on each patient's unique case. For instance, certain girls with Turner syndrome can have cardiac problems. If that was the case, then that child could need medication.

Cummings said he has no idea who might try to take his daughter.

He said he tends to stay to himself.

"I don't make friends, I don't make enemies," he said.


http://www.staugustine.com/stories/021309/news_021309_018.shtml


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 13, 2009, 08:18:09 AM
Just wondering if the nephews (since they're close in age to Hayleigh) live close by....otherwise, I'd think someone had to take them to the mobile home. 

I'm thinking Misty mentioned a cousin coming over . . . last night on Greta, I think.  Just thinking out loud, here.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 13, 2009, 08:20:39 AM
the father has a good size bandage on the side of his neck towards the back. i wonder when that happened.
He also had a blood blister on his thumb... I noticed that in the first interview with his mother beside him and he was on the ground.

hm, i guess they could possibly be work related, i believe he operates some kind of heavy machinery?

just musing aloud, the neck bandage just struck me as a spot if someone was struggling against you could easily get marked up by scratches.

I thought the same thing. I noticed it on the interview last night.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 08:32:55 AM
3 yrs old. I don't mind talking about it, frankly had I known what to look for, maybe it wouldn't have happened more than once...but, people are too afraid to talk about it and that just perpetuates the ability of these pervs trying to destroy our children.

I agree - looking back I could see all the signs that my SS was a child molester - and that my child had been molested. But at the time the parts did not seem to make a picture. It is too bad there is not a check list we could make of what to look for in both the molested and the molester. We could stop a lot of evil in the world.
there is a checklist and my son had almost every sign, but no one ever talks about it due to shame, and they shouldn't feel shame because they did NOTHING wrong.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 13, 2009, 08:36:32 AM
3 yrs old. I don't mind talking about it, frankly had I known what to look for, maybe it wouldn't have happened more than once...but, people are too afraid to talk about it and that just perpetuates the ability of these pervs trying to destroy our children.

I agree - looking back I could see all the signs that my SS was a child molester - and that my child had been molested. But at the time the parts did not seem to make a picture. It is too bad there is not a check list we could make of what to look for in both the molested and the molester. We could stop a lot of evil in the world.
there is a checklist and my son had almost every sign, but no one ever talks about it due to shame, and they shouldn't feel shame because they did NOTHING wrong.

True - that is the hardest thing - to explain to the kids that THEY did nothing wrong. They should not feel shame. But the animals that hurt them seem to be able to make these poor kids feel ashamed.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 13, 2009, 08:56:21 AM
Just wondering if the nephews (since they're close in age to Hayleigh) live close by....otherwise, I'd think someone had to take them to the mobile home. 

I'm thinking Misty mentioned a cousin coming over . . . last night on Greta, I think.  Just thinking out loud, here.



Good Morning, Monkeys!

TCUMom, good to see you.


Could someone have been in the home earlier and left the door unlocked planning to return later that night?  I would ask any adults especially males who were in the home in the last few days to take polys.


.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: dejasade on February 13, 2009, 09:18:02 AM
Anyone think this could maybe a fake...trying to make money off of an 'abduction' -  like the Anthony case??

---just a thought---       ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 13, 2009, 09:24:47 AM
Anyone think this could maybe a fake...trying to make money off of an 'abduction' -  like the Anthony case??

---just a thought---       ::MonkeyEek::


I am afraid we have become so jaded that we do consider things like this now.  In this particular instance, I don't get the impression that either of the adults in this are really devious and clever enough to even try this.  They do not strike me as being capable mentally as that would require a great deal of keeping stories straight, etc.  But stranger things have happened and for sure, we do think these things even if we don't say them.

JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 09:27:06 AM
NANCY GRACE for February 12, 2009

 (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/12/ng.01.html)
Bio mom, Crystal Sheffield, talks about custody and Misty's sleeping arrangement story changing three times.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 09:34:08 AM
Fiance of Haleigh's Mother Questioned

 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3)
 Updated: 2/13/2009

SATSUMA, FL -- The fiance of Haleigh Cummings' mom says he doesn't know where the five year old is. Chad Griffis says police questioned him in the case on Wednesday.

Griffis says police asked him when he last saw Haleigh. Griffis says he told police he saw her two Sunday's ago. "It was all the same. They(kids) didn't want to go back," Griffis says referring to sending Haleigh and her little brother back to their dad's home.

Griffis says he is praying the five year old is ok. He got emotional when making a plea for her safe return.

Griffis is just one of many family members and close friends who have spoken with police. Authorities have announced that everyone is a suspect at this point in time.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: always 1 on February 13, 2009, 09:37:04 AM
Most mobile home doors make a distinct popping noise when they are opened or closed, think it has something to do with the seal.  Wonder why no one heard it???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 09:41:30 AM
the father has a good size bandage on the side of his neck towards the back. i wonder when that happened.
He also had a blood blister on his thumb... I noticed that in the first interview with his mother beside him and he was on the ground.

hm, i guess they could possibly be work related, i believe he operates some kind of heavy machinery?

just musing aloud, the neck bandage just struck me as a spot if someone was struggling against you could easily get marked up by scratches.

The dad operates a crane. Thats pretty much a "desk job" for a laborer. The blood blister may have come from moving/scraping against a cinder block ::MonkeyShocked::. I did not notice bandage on his neck, I hope LE checks that out. Haleigh goes to school, Mistys brother and his 2 sons (kids) come over until 5 or 5:30. The A/C man has been cleared. Does Misty drive? She mentioned they(LE) took her ( Mistys) blanket out of the van to test. So from 5-5:30 - 3:30 we only have her word that Haleigh was with her. Bio mom was unlikely to call Haleigh. GF was unlikely to get up in the middle of the night.. Just thinkin' aloud here. I find it odd that a 17 yr old would get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom unless she had been drinking the night before. I don't believe the 17 yr olds story but I don't know why.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 09:52:06 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/18706639/detail.html

George Anthony, EquuSearch Help Look For Haleigh
Friday, February 13, 2009 – updated: 9:13 am EST February 13, 2009

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The search for missing five-year-old Haleigh Cummings continued Friday morning. Eyewitness News has learned that at 8:00am crews began another day of intense efforts to find her.

Some key players from the Caylee Anthony case are involved in the search effort, namely Tim Miller with EquuSearch, Caylee's grandfather George Anthony and bounty hunter Leonard Padilla have a been at the scene since Thursday.

Haleigh disappeared early Tuesday morning from her home in Satsuma, about 85 miles north of Orlando and west of Flagler County.

Friday morning, searchers with Texas-based Equusearch will begin a massive search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings in Satsuma.

"We're holding on to some kind of miracle she just wondered away," said Tim Miller of EquuSearch.

Deputies chopped through the wooded area surrounding Haleigh's neighborhood Thursday. They had to use machetes because of the thick brush.

Putnam County sheriff's investigators said someone snatched the little girl right out of her bed Monday night while her father's 17-year-old live-in girlfriend slept nearby.

Officials interviewed 44 sex offenders living with 5-miles of the Cummings' home. Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, begged for her safe return.

"I want my daughter back, that's all I want. I want my daughter back," he pleaded.

Tim Miller said getting his searchers to work as soon as possible was the goal.

'It's very critical to get out there as quick as we can get out there. I wish we would have been here the first hour but unfortunately there's never a warning when there's a possible abduction," he said.

Miller is looking for volunteers to help out in the search Friday morning and into the weekend. The group is expected to gather at 8:00am.

The mother of Haleigh Cummings, Crystal Sheffield, was surrounded by her family and friends during a prayer vigil Thursday night for her daughter. She couldn't hold back the tears.

Haeligh's grandfather, Johnny Sheffield was there for support and to help in the search.

"We don't want another tragic ending, like her to end up like Caylee Anthony,' said Johnny.

The small crowd held candles and came from all over the area, holding signs saying they want the little girl to come back home.

"I'm just here to show support to the family," said one supporter.


HALEIGH'S PARENTS INVOLVED IN BITTER CUSTODY BATTLE

Eyewitness News obtained court records that show Haleigh's parents were involved in a bitter custody battle trading nasty accusations about drugs and violence.

WFTV found out that Ronald Cummings has been arrested several times on drug charges, but was not convicted.

Three years ago, Haleigh's mother took her and her young brother away from their father even though he had custody. Ronald went to court to get them back.

Haleigh's mother claimed to have purchased a whole-life insurance policy for her and the children. However, investigators said they have no information about the policy.

Ronald Cummings said her disappearance has nothing to do with the custody dispute.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: MsJackie on February 13, 2009, 09:56:15 AM
I understand the father and 17 yr. old had only been together for 3-4 months.  Who babysat before he met her, maybe they had access to the home ... the door thing bothers me so much... what if someone actually came in thru a window and left thru the door,  and another thing i thought about the dogs following her scent to the waters edge, maybe she was taken away by a small boat.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 13, 2009, 10:01:35 AM
I understand the father and 17 yr. old had only been together for 3-4 months.  Who babysat before he met her, maybe they had access to the home ... the door thing bothers me so much... what if someone actually came in thru a window and left thru the door,  and another thing i thought about the dogs following her scent to the waters edge, maybe she was taken away by a small boat.

Don't think, whoever came in threw the window.
Why would the cinder block holding the door open, be there?

We need facts about who's dna/finger prints from the block.
Need everyone routine, including the neighbors..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 10:04:34 AM
Fiance of Haleigh's Mother Questioned

 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3)
 Updated: 2/13/2009

SATSUMA, FL -- The fiance of Haleigh Cummings' mom says he doesn't know where the five year old is. Chad Griffis says police questioned him in the case on Wednesday.

Griffis says police asked him when he last saw Haleigh. Griffis says he told police he saw her two Sunday's ago. "It was all the same. They(kids) didn't want to go back," Griffis says referring to sending Haleigh and her little brother back to their dad's home.

Griffis says he is praying the five year old is ok. He got emotional when making a plea for her safe return.

Griffis is just one of many family members and close friends who have spoken with police. Authorities have announced that everyone is a suspect at this point in time.


Chad's myspace.  Seems like a nice guy in the photos.  Also if you go through friends of Chad's you will find more pics of Christal and she seems perfectly normal and nice. 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418138401

Chad and Christal

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/ChristalChad.jpg)

From friend Sara  - a birthday party pic of Haleigh

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/haleighbp.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 10:08:45 AM
Candles raised in vigils for Haleigh


 (http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/13/news/news02.txt)
BY KRISTIN CHAMBERS
Published: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:30 AM EST
Palatka Daily News

SATSUMA - Dozens of candles flickered through Thursday evening as a pair of vigils were held in hope of guiding Haleigh Cummings home.

Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh's mother, held the first public vigil at 7:30 p.m. near the entrance of River Villas. Teddy bears and handmade signs displaying support for the family lined the fence as grieving friends and family wept over the unresolved case.

Pastor Thomas Pratt, of God's Miracle Ministries of Seville, led the group in prayer and passages from the Bible.

"I pray for this girl, and that God would bring her home safe," Pratt said. "If I didn't believe it, I wouldn't say it."

Approximately 30 people gathered in a circle under a donated tent to comfort the family and pray for Haleigh's safe return at the first vigil, which could be seen clearly from the road.

After prayers, the group sang popular hymns including "Amazing Grace."

Johnny Sheffield, Haleigh's grandfather, encouraged the public to do whatever they could to find the girl.

"If people would just get out, look in your back yards, get out your flashlight, look under your trailer, in your shed, look everywhere you can- just help us out," Sheffield said. "We don't want a tragic ending like the Caylee Anthony story. She's our Haleigh bug - we want her home."

Approximately an hour later, a second vigil took place just a short distance down the road.

The father's side of the family and friends gathered under a tent loaned by Watts Funeral Home, while a television projected a local news station in the background.

Jamie Watts, owner of the funeral home, donated buttons and T-shirts to the family with Haleigh's picture on the front.

"We want to reach out to them any way we can," Watts said. "I went into my 3-year-old daughter's room three times last night just to check on her and make sure she was OK. My heart goes out to them."

About 50 people gathered in a circle on the street holding candles and each other, while Pastor Dave Speddon of Living Hope Family Worship Center led the prayer.

"We just trust that God is going to bring Haleigh home safely, and bring encouragement to the family to stay strong," Speddon said. "You have to hang on to hope. If you don't, you give up, and there's no strength in that."

Speddon proudly spoke of the community when asked about how the local public was handling the situation.

"This is a very tight community, and it doesn't surprise me they're coming out and stepping up to support the family. It's just kind of who we are around here."

A vigil will be held at Dunns Creek Baptist Church on Tuesday if Haleigh is not yet found.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 13, 2009, 10:10:05 AM
If Ronald operates a crane then he's likely taken a drug test, at some point in time, it's universally required to meet OSHA regs for public or private companies.

Klaas I sent you a search, didn't have time to review in detail but did see someone on that list with drug charges but no conviction - it's in your mailbox.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 13, 2009, 10:35:07 AM
I've been thinking about this cinder block holding the door also and my thoughts are this:  If the night was windy, it would stop the door from slamming or if the door jamb was tightened to swing closed quickly like we do for pets a cinder block would help keep it open and quiet.  Also it would ease the "picking of the lock or aide an unfamiliar person w/ a key to open it and assure a quiet exit while carrying a small child back out.  It fits with an abduction to me as does the kitchen light on if they already had the child and knew the other 2 were sound asleep.  Also if Misty is telling the truth, something did wake her up whether it was to pee or some internal alarm that went off, she did wake up and notice Haleigh gone. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 13, 2009, 10:44:11 AM
yikes.. I see big problems.. her affect is way off.. sometimes flat, sometimes defiant looking.. they better be looking at her REALLY good.. I am not feeling the love for her AT ALL  ::MonkeyNoNo::


I'm going back to what I said last night.  If it were me/my husband who'd "lost" our child,  we wouldn't be hanging out for interviews or lollygagging in a tent or otherwhere.  We would have gone nuts looking for her, and like a poster mentioned earlier re. the lost child on the beach, our screaming our childs name would have continued until our voices gave out and we collapsed from exhaustion.

Its too heartbreaking to even imagine...so that's why "affect" and these ridiculous interviews tick me off to no end...and certainly color my opinions. 

A picture does tell a thousand words (I think).

Foggy
I am not exaclty sure what you mean, Foggy, but my mentioning the 17 yr olds "affect" was mentioned purely from a psych point of view. I am a trained pysch nurse with experience in evaluating people as they present themselves. Notice I have said nothing about the dad. He presented as appropriate to the circumstance.. She DID NOT..why are you ticked off? If I ticked you off, I am certainly sorry, but it is moo  ::MonkeyEek::


Flamon, ita with you.  But what irks me (aka ticks me off :gaah:) is that the principals are standing around doing interviews when imo they should be out beating the bushes.  That's all. And as re. the 17 y/o, in the couple of interviews I have seen I also found her a bit "off"--whether one refers to her affect, demeanor, attitude etc. doesn't much matter to me.  In one of the interviews I saw a younger version of Susan Smith.  Another interview I saw didn't change that impression so I'm still wary of the 17 y/o.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Back to catching up...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: supersleuth99 on February 13, 2009, 10:56:20 AM
If you go to Putnam County Fl. court records.  Do a search on cummings% scroll down to Ronald Lemyles Cummings..there is a record a long court battle that includes violence toward children, domestic violence, parenting classes,  children removed from home and on Feb. 9th 2009 there is a CONTEMPT OF COURT filed.  So Feb. 10th on the heals of the "contempt of court" the daughter is missing. Could this be a coincidence?

Also Fox news had the police report and Ronald Cummings called his girlfriend a "DUMB BIT...H" to the police.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 13, 2009, 11:03:33 AM
If you go to Putnam County Fl. court records.  Do a search on cummings% scroll down to Ronald Lemyles Cummings..there is a record a long court battle that includes violence toward children, domestic violence, parenting classes,  children removed from home and on Feb. 9th 2009 there is a CONTEMPT OF COURT filed.  So Feb. 10th on the heals of the "contempt of court" the daughter is missing. Could this be a coincidence?

Also Fox news had the police report and Ronald Cummings called his girlfriend a "DUMB BIT...H" to the police.
I do not believe this is a coincidence. I'm having bad feelings about the dad and girlfriend. ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dolce on February 13, 2009, 11:10:26 AM
If Ronald operates a crane then he's likely taken a drug test, at some point in time, it's universally required to meet OSHA regs for public or private companies.

Klaas I sent you a search, didn't have time to review in detail but did see someone on that list with drug charges but no conviction - it's in your mailbox.
This is absolutely true.  We own a pool construction and maintenance company.  Our heavy machinery workers are randomly drug tested every other month in accordance to OSHA regulations here in FL.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 11:43:39 AM
If you go to Putnam County Fl. court records.  Do a search on cummings% scroll down to Ronald Lemyles Cummings..there is a record a long court battle that includes violence toward children, domestic violence, parenting classes,  children removed from home and on Feb. 9th 2009 there is a CONTEMPT OF COURT filed.  So Feb. 10th on the heals of the "contempt of court" the daughter is missing. Could this be a coincidence?

Also Fox news had the police report and Ronald Cummings called his girlfriend a "DUMB BIT...H" to the police.

Can u copy/paste......I'm at work swamped, but heard this earlier as a rumor...but wasn't sure if it was rumor or not.

Also, I thought it was odd he kept mentioning the fact that HE was the better parent and won custody. My ex had custody of his prior children after a long battle and he ended up molesting my son, and I am certain the he had molested my stepson's when they were younger because after our divorce they stayed with ME....so, there are times Judges f@ck up big time.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 13, 2009, 11:45:38 AM
If you go to Putnam County Fl. court records.  Do a search on cummings% scroll down to Ronald Lemyles Cummings..there is a record a long court battle that includes violence toward children, domestic violence, parenting classes,  children removed from home and on Feb. 9th 2009 there is a CONTEMPT OF COURT filed.  So Feb. 10th on the heals of the "contempt of court" the daughter is missing. Could this be a coincidence?

Also Fox news had the police report and Ronald Cummings called his girlfriend a "DUMB BIT...H" to the police.

Can u copy/paste......I'm at work swamped, but heard this earlier as a rumor...but wasn't sure if it was rumor or not.

Also, I thought it was odd he kept mentioning the fact that HE was the better parent and won custody. My ex had custody of his prior children after a long battle and he ended up molesting my son, and I am certain the he had molested my stepson's when they were younger because after our divorce they stayed with ME....so, there are times Judges f@ck up big time.

I've been trying to locate this also, can you paste the link.  There are a ton of cummings and I did not see his name on the list yet.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 11:45:42 AM
yikes.. I see big problems.. her affect is way off.. sometimes flat, sometimes defiant looking.. they better be looking at her REALLY good.. I am not feeling the love for her AT ALL  ::MonkeyNoNo::


I'm going back to what I said last night.  If it were me/my husband who'd "lost" our child,  we wouldn't be hanging out for interviews or lollygagging in a tent or otherwhere.  We would have gone nuts looking for her, and like a poster mentioned earlier re. the lost child on the beach, our screaming our childs name would have continued until our voices gave out and we collapsed from exhaustion.

Its too heartbreaking to even imagine...so that's why "affect" and these ridiculous interviews tick me off to no end...and certainly color my opinions. 

A picture does tell a thousand words (I think).

Foggy
I am not exaclty sure what you mean, Foggy, but my mentioning the 17 yr olds "affect" was mentioned purely from a psych point of view. I am a trained pysch nurse with experience in evaluating people as they present themselves. Notice I have said nothing about the dad. He presented as appropriate to the circumstance.. She DID NOT..why are you ticked off? If I ticked you off, I am certainly sorry, but it is moo  ::MonkeyEek::


Flamon, ita with you.  But what irks me (aka ticks me off :gaah:) is that the principals are standing around doing interviews when imo they should be out beating the bushes.  That's all. And as re. the 17 y/o, in the couple of interviews I have seen I also found her a bit "off"--whether one refers to her affect, demeanor, attitude etc. doesn't much matter to me.  In one of the interviews I saw a younger version of Susan Smith.  Another interview I saw didn't change that impression so I'm still wary of the 17 y/o.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Back to catching up...
I believe that law enforcement discourages the family from searching.  TES does also.  There are several reasons for this, but one important one is, if the family was involved then they could search the sight were they did something bad and distroy the evidence.  There are other reasons.

Having the media on your side and keeping your child's face before the public is very important.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 13, 2009, 11:49:19 AM
http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=210959&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search

found this.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 11:56:38 AM
I may have missed this, but has anyone mentioned if the girlfriend had a key to the back door?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Treehouse on February 13, 2009, 11:58:24 AM
Reply #420 on: Today at 12:48:07 AM »   
ospainter:
First Name: Kyle
Middle Name: S
Last Name: Johns
 

Conviction
Conviction date: 2/28/1995
LEWDLASCIVIOUS CHILD U/16; F.S. 800.04 (PRINCIPAL)Offender's age at conviction: 24
 
Source of Information:  Florida Offender Registry

Home Address
212 MONROE AVE 
SATSUMA, FL 32189-2826

Right around the corner from the Cummings residence.
Reply #428 on: Today at 02:49:15 AM »
ospainter:
The owner of the mobile home and land that the dad lives in is ALSO THE OWNER OF THE MOBILE HOME AND LAND THAT ONE OF THE SOs LIVES IN!!! Ack!

Here's KJ's land record: 

http://www.putnam-fl.com/patc.inq/pa/cpa2.pl?id=60824

Here's Ron Cummings' land record:

http://www.putnam-fl.com/patc.inq/pa/cpa2.pl?id=92469

Same landlord.

Kyle S Johns
212 Monroe Ave.
Satsuma, FL

Ospainter,
The family’s landlord, who probably has a key to the house, is a convicted child sexual offender??????

   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 13, 2009, 11:58:59 AM
Why is Chrystals boyfriends last name the same as her Mothers, just wondering, and also on chrstals my space page she calls the children Brats, there's that word again, I cant stand it, I hope they find this little girl soon....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Treehouse on February 13, 2009, 12:04:43 PM
Reply #420 on: Today at 12:48:07 AM »   
ospainter:
First Name: Kyle
Middle Name: S
Last Name: Johns
 

Conviction
Conviction date: 2/28/1995
LEWDLASCIVIOUS CHILD U/16; F.S. 800.04 (PRINCIPAL)Offender's age at conviction: 24
 
Source of Information:  Florida Offender Registry

Home Address
212 MONROE AVE 
SATSUMA, FL 32189-2826

Right around the corner from the Cummings residence.
Reply #428 on: Today at 02:49:15 AM »
ospainter:
The owner of the mobile home and land that the dad lives in is ALSO THE OWNER OF THE MOBILE HOME AND LAND THAT ONE OF THE SOs LIVES IN!!! Ack!

Here's KJ's land record: 

http://www.putnam-fl.com/patc.inq/pa/cpa2.pl?id=60824

Here's Ron Cummings' land record:

http://www.putnam-fl.com/patc.inq/pa/cpa2.pl?id=92469

Same landlord.

Kyle S Johns
212 Monroe Ave.
Satsuma, FL

Ospainter,
The family’s landlord, who probably has a key to the house, is a convicted child sexual offender??????

   

Oh, wait. Just re read that. You are not saying that Johns is the landlord, but Cummings and Johns have the same landlords. Probably not so unusually in a mobile home community.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 12:07:01 PM
I have been thinking about the back door and wondering if the girlfriend had a key. After thinking about it, I realized that I couldn't begin to tell you where the key to my back door is. If I was going to try and go out at night without anyone seeing me, I would use the back door. I know someone that lived in a mobile home and the storm door would often lock when it shut. She called us a couple of times because she was locked out, when the door had blown shut.  She finally started putting something in front of the storm door so that it wouldn't close completely and lock her out. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dolce on February 13, 2009, 12:11:09 PM
Has it been mentioned if finger prints were lifted from the door, the lock, the propping rock, the outside of the door...etc.?

I am thinking that they will only lift the prints of the father and the girlfriend (which they will write a side note stating that the 2 live there and touch it frequently)  It would be interesting to see if it was wiped clean.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 13, 2009, 12:14:48 PM
Why is Chrystals boyfriends last name the same as her Mothers, just wondering, and also on chrstals my space page she calls the children Brats, there's that word again, I cant stand it, I hope they find this little girl soon....

Calls them brats, oh my not a good sign........ ::MonkeyNoNo::
Shows she has no business watching them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 13, 2009, 12:17:26 PM
Why is Chrystals boyfriends last name the same as her Mothers, just wondering, and also on chrstals my space page she calls the children Brats, there's that word again, I cant stand it, I hope they find this little girl soon....

Calls them brats, oh my not a good sign........ ::MonkeyNoNo::
Shows she has no business watching them.

shes haleighs biological mom and doesnt have custody of her or her little brother.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 13, 2009, 12:17:56 PM
Has it been mentioned if finger prints were lifted from the door, the lock, the propping rock, the outside of the door...etc.?

I am thinking that they will only lift the prints of the father and the girlfriend (which they will write a side note stating that the 2 live there and touch it frequently)  It would be interesting to see if it was wiped clean.

I remember on the 911 call they tell them to leave the door alone, not to touch it.  And I think I remember Nancy Grace mentioning fingerprints.  But "evidence" was taken, we do not know what it was.

I also think if the father passed the poly there would be no reason for them to withhold that info.  the gf maybe because she is a minor, but than again who knows if a crime has not been charged, maybe no results released.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 13, 2009, 12:19:39 PM
                                            PRAYERS FOR HALEIGH


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 13, 2009, 12:20:01 PM
Has it been mentioned if finger prints were lifted from the door, the lock, the propping rock, the outside of the door...etc.?

I am thinking that they will only lift the prints of the father and the girlfriend (which they will write a side note stating that the 2 live there and touch it frequently)  It would be interesting to see if it was wiped clean.

theyre testing everything and are not allowing anyone back in the trailer at this time.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: supersleuth99 on February 13, 2009, 12:24:33 PM
UCN: 542005DR001321FDXXXX
File Date: 2005-09-16   Disposition Date: 2007-11-08
File Type: PATERNITY - FD12
Judge: A W NICHOLS III    

Plaintiffs
CUMMINGS RONALD LEMYLES    Defendants
SHEFFIELD CRYSTAL DIANE

Date   Docket Description
2005-09-16   001.PETITION TO DETERMINE PATERNITY AND RELATED RELIEF
2005-09-16   002.IDENTIFICATION - DRIVER'S LICENSE
2005-09-16   003.UNIFORM CHILD CUSTODY JURISDICTION/ENFORCEMENT AFFID.
2005-09-16   004.FINANCIAL AFFIDAVIT - PETITIONER
2005-09-16   005.NOTICE OF SOCIAL SECURITY - PETITIONER
2005-09-16   006.REQUEST FOR SUMMONS TO BE ISSUED
2005-09-16   007. SUMMONS ISSUED:CRYSTAL DIANE SHEFFIELD 9/19/2005
2005-09-16   .ADDRESS:11024 ARROWBROOK JAX FL 32221
2005-09-16   .SUMM RT 10-26-05 SVD 10-05-05 DUE 10-25-05
2005-10-18   012. ANSWER FILED BY PETITIONER
2005-10-18   012. ANSWER FILED BY RESPONDENT
2005-10-26   008. MOTION TO SET HEARING
2005-10-26   009. MOTION FOR DEFAULT
2005-10-27   010. DEFAULT ENTERED
2005-10-27   011.CLERK'S CERTIFICATE
2005-11-01   013. EMERGENCY VERIFED MOTION FOR CHILD PICK-UP ORDER
2005-11-01   014.UNIFORM CHILD CUSTODY JURISDICTION/ENFORCEMENT AFFID.
2005-11-01   015. ORDER SETTING ASIDE DEFAULT - EEH
2005-11-01   016.ORDER OF REFERRAL TO GENERAL MAGISTRATE - EEH
2005-11-01   .PETITION TO DETERMINE PATERNITY AND FOR RELATED RELIEF
2005-11-01   .FILED BY PETITIONER
2005-11-22   017. COPY - NOTICE OF HEARING - 12-01-05 @ 9:00 RMP
2005-11-22   .PETITIONERS MOTION TO DETERMINE PATERNITY
2005-12-01   018. FAMILY COURT MIN - PET. PRES, RESP. NOT PRES,
2005-12-01   .C/S TO BE DETERMINED, SHARED PRIMARY RESIDENTAL WITH
2005-12-01   .FATHER,. STANDARD AT FATHER DISCREATION, JUDICALLY
2005-12-01   .RECOGNIZED 05-1354 -FD, RONALD CUMMINGS DECLARED LEGAL
2005-12-01   .FATHER OF BOTH CHILDREN , SHARED PARENTAL RESPONSLIBILTY
2005-12-01   .WITH PRIMARY RESIDENTAL WITH FATHER, STANDARD
2005-12-01   .VISITATION DISCRESTION OF FATHER IF SAFETY FOR THE
2005-12-01   .CHILDREN CONCERNS ADVISE, 24 HRS NOTICE TO EXCERSISE
2005-12-01   .VISITATION , MOTHER NOT TO REMOVE CHILDREN FROM THE
2005-12-01   .STATE OF FLORIDA WITHOUT FATHERS WRITTN CONSENT OR
2005-12-01   .FURTHER ORDER OF THE COURT
2005-12-05   021.REPORT/RECOMMENDATION OF GENERAL MASTER-MP
2005-12-05   .PET. FOUND TO BE FATHER OF MINOR CHILDREN, SHARED
2005-12-05   .PARENTAL RESPONSLIBLITY, WITH PETITIONER HAVING
2005-12-05   .PRIMARY RESIDENTAL CUSTODY, UNSUPERVISED VISITATION
2005-12-05   .ACCORDING TO STANDARD VISITATION SCHEDULE, MOTHER TO
2005-12-05   .PAY C/S OF $323/MTH TO BEGININING WHEN ORDER SIGNED
2005-12-05   .BOTH PARTIES TO MAINTAIN MEDICAID INSURANCE ON BOTH
2005-12-05   .CHILDREN
2005-12-05   019. NOTICE OF CURRENT ADDRESS - CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD
2005-12-05   020.IDENTIFICATION - DRIVER'S LICENSE - RESPONDENT
2005-12-06   022. FAXED LETTER FROM RESPONDENT TO MAGISTRATE IN RE:
2005-12-06   .REHEARING
2005-12-08   023. RETURN TO SENDER - REPORT AND RECOMMEDATION - RESP.
2005-12-13   024. NOTICE OF HEARING - 12-27-05 @ 10:30 RMP - PETITIONERS
2005-12-13   .MOTION TO DETERMINE PATERNITY AND RELATED RELIEF
2005-12-13   025. ORDER GRANTING MOTION FOR REHEARING - RMP -
2005-12-27   026.CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF PARENTING CLASS
2005-12-27   RESPONDENT
2005-12-27   027.FAMILY COURT MINUTES
2006-01-03   028.REPORT/RECOMMENDATION OF GENERAL MASTER-MP
2006-01-06   029. MOTION FOR REHEARING AND OBJECTION TO FINDINGS
2006-01-06   OF MAGISTRATE
2006-01-20   030.MOTION TO STRIKE OR DIMISS MOTION FOR REHEARING
2006-01-20   AND OBJECTION TO FINDINGS OF MAGISTRATE-PETITIONER
2006-01-24   031.NOTICE OF HEARING-HRG SET FOR 02/28/06 @ 1:30
2006-01-24   EEH-COURTROOM 305
2006-01-25   032.NOTICE OF HEARING-HRG SET FOR 02/28/06 @ 1:30-EEH
2006-01-31   033.CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION-HUSBAND
2006-02-28   034.FAMILY COURT MINUTES
2006-03-02   035.NOTICE OF HEARING-SET FOR 04/06/06 @ 3:00
2006-03-09   036.EMERGENCY MOTION FOR RETURN OF CHILDREN - PETITIONER
2006-03-15   037.NOTICE OF HEARING - HRG SET FOR 03/21/06 @ 10:30
2006-03-16   038.SUBPOENA FOR HEARING - HRG SET FOR 03/21/06 @ 10:30
2006-03-16   SUBPOENA FOR: MICHAEL S WORD C/O WALMART DISTRIBUTION
2006-03-16   CENTER
2006-03-20   039.NOTICE OF FILING TEMPORARY INJUNCTION FOR
2006-03-20   PROTECTION AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WITH MINOR
2006-03-20   CHILDREN
2006-03-21   040.FAMILY COURT MINUTES
2006-03-22   041.ORDER ON EMERGENCY MOTION FOR RETURN OF CHILDREN
2006-03-22   042.NOTICE OF FILING TEMPORARY INJUNCTION FOR
2006-03-22   PROTECTION AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WITH MINOR
2006-03-22   CHILDREN
2006-04-04   043.NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING
2006-04-12   044.NOTICE OF UN-AVAILABILITY-CHARLES BEHM-ESQUIRE
2006-08-17   045.NOTICE OF HEARING - STATUS CONFERENCE
2006-08-17   HRG SET FOR 10/04/06 @ 3:00 - EEH
2006-10-04   046.FAMILY COURT MINUTES-PET NOT PRESENT-R MURPHY PRESENT
2006-10-04   RESP NOT PRESENT-C BEHM PRESENT
2006-12-28   047.NOTICE OF HEARING - HRG SET FOR 01/04/017 @ 3:30
2007-01-04   048.NOTICE OF FILING TRANSCRIPT - RESPONDENT
2007-01-26   049.NOTICE OF HEARING REGARDING OBJECTIONS TO FINDINGS
2007-01-26   OF MAGISTRATE-HRG SET FOR 02/13/07 @ 2:00 - EEH
2007-02-13   050.FAMILY COURT MINUTES PET PR RESP PR
2007-02-22   051.NOTICE OF UNAVAILABILITY OF COUNSEL - BEHM
2007-05-11   052.CORRESPONDENCE FROM NANCY GRIFFIS TO EEH
2007-11-08   053.ORDER APPROVING REPORT/RECOMMENDATIONS OF MAGISTRATE
2007-11-26   FL#200754636011
2008-06-16   054.DOR INTERCEPT IN THE AMOUNT OF $48.00 ON 06/16/08
2009-02-10   055.MOTION FOR CONTEMPT 03-27-09 AT 08:30


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: supersleuth99 on February 13, 2009, 12:26:04 PM
UCN: 542005DR001354FDXXXX
File Date: 2005-09-22   Disposition Date: 2005-10-05
File Type: INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION - FD10
Judge: A W NICHOLS III    

Plaintiffs
SHEFFIELD CRYSTAL DIANE    Defendants
CUMMINGS RONALD LEMYLES

Date   Docket Description
2005-09-22   001.PETITION FOR INJUNCTION AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
2005-09-22   002.EMERGENCY VERIFIED MOTION FOR CHILD PICK-UP ORDER
2005-09-22   003.UNIFORM CHILD CUSTODY JURISDICTION/ENFORCEMENT AFFID.
2005-09-22   004.PHOTO COPY OF ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE
2005-09-22   005.PHOTO COPY OF ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE
2005-09-22   006.IDENTIFICATION - DRIVER'S LICENSE
2005-09-22   007.TEMPORARY INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION AGAINST DOMESTIC
2005-09-22   .VIOLENCE-PARTIES TO APPEAR BEFORE EEH 10/5/05 @ 9:00AM
2005-09-22   .NO CUSTODY ORDERED AT THIS TIME
2005-09-22   .RT 10/7/05 UNSVD-RESPONDENT WAS OUT OF TOWN
2005-09-22   008.ORDER DENYING PETITIONERS EMERGENCY VERIFIED MOTION
2005-09-22   .FOR CHILD PICK UP ORDER
2005-10-04   009.FAMILY COURT MINUTES- BOTH PARTIES APPEARED,
2005-10-04   .PETITIONER APPEARED IN OPEN COURT AND VOLUNTARILY
2005-10-04   .DISMISSED INJUNCTION
2005-10-05   010.ORDER OF DISMISSAL OF TEMPORARY INJUNCTION FOR
2005-10-05   .PROTECTION AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE- PETITIONER
2005-10-05   .APPEARED AT THE HEARING BUT DESIRES TO DISMISS ACTION
2005-10-05   .FL# 557856
2005-10-18   011.RESPONSE TO SUMMONS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 13, 2009, 12:26:55 PM
Sorry, but I don't really like the bio mom, after looking at her website and her interviews with her lack of interest in Haleigh and Junior she bothers me.  They've had shared custody for 3 yrs and she does not even know why Haleigh missed so much school?  Why not call the school to ask?  And as much as some are upset w/the father for not activily looking, why is she standing 30feet from him and not getting the stories straight from his mouth or his mothers at the least?  I would of marched my butt over to this man and demanded the answers from him and the gf, police be damned.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: supersleuth99 on February 13, 2009, 12:30:06 PM
PICKED UP AND FOUND TO BE HOMELESS in 2006.......

UCN: 542006MM003417XXAXMX
File Date: 2006-08-01   Judge: PETER T MILLER    
Defense Atty: BRUNTON, MACK

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias

Date   #   Docket Description
2006-08-01   1   ARREST REPORT - PCSO/ MAY (ARREST 07-29-2006)
2006-08-01   1   TRESPASS
2006-08-01   2   AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
2006-08-01   3   $504.00 CHUCK'S BAIL BOND POSTED - #00601638 07-29-06
2006-08-11   4   INFORMATION (TRESPASS)
2006-08-11   5   NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (08/31/2006)
2006-08-31   6   ARR MIN: DEFT PRES, ADJ INS P D APPT MACK BRUNTON
2006-08-31   6   ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY - PRE TRIAL SET 10/04/2006
2006-08-31   7   AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS
2006-08-31   7   DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT
2006-08-31   7   $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED
2006-08-31   8   ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
2006-08-31   9   PRE-TRIAL ORDER (10-04-2006)
2006-09-06   10   NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (10-04-2006)
2006-10-04   11   PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY MACK BRUNTON
2006-10-04   11   STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL
2006-10-04   11   CASE SET FOR NON JURY TRIAL 10/30/2006
2006-10-04   12   WAIVER OF JURY TRIAL
2006-10-04   13   NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (10-30-2006)
2006-10-06   14   NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (10-30-2006)
2006-10-10   15   STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA ISSUED:
2006-10-10   15   WILLIAM P MORRIS
2006-10-10   16   STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA ISSUED:
2006-10-10   16   DS JOHN MAY
2006-10-16   17   STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:
2006-10-16   17   WILLIAM P MORRIS
2006-10-16   18   STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:
2006-10-16   18   DS JOHN MAY
2006-10-16   20   STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:
2006-10-16   19   MS. TAMMY PINKNEY
2006-10-26   21   AMENDED INFO (TRESPASS ON PROPERTY OTHER THAN A
2006-10-26   21   STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE)
2006-10-30   22   TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES ATT BY MACK BRUNTON
2006-10-30   22   FOR NON JURY TRIAL- STATE REP BY DAVID HOLLANDER
2006-10-30   22   DEFT W-DREW FORMER PLEA - ENT PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE
2006-10-30   22   TO TRESPASS, DEFT SWORN, PLEA ACCEPTED,
2006-10-30   22   ADJUDGED GUILTY
2006-10-30   22   PROB HRDS 6 MONTHS
2006-10-30   22   1 DAY PCJ WITH CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED OF 1 DAY
2006-10-30   22   $273.00 FINE AND COST
2006-10-30   22   $ 40.00 PD FEE SUSPENDED
2006-10-30   22   RANDOM DRUG TEST
2006-10-30   23   WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
2006-10-30   23   CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2006-10-30   24   ORDER OF PROBATION
2007-01-17   25   $ 60.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 11/14/2006
2007-02-07   26   SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2007-02-14   27   $120.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 12/28/2006
2007-03-16   28   $ 93.00 FINE AND COST BAL PAID 01/25/2007


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 12:31:28 PM
Even if a young child is afraid of the dark, I would think they would also be afraid of waking up alone in a house. If a door were open, wouldn't they assume that an adult was just outside and maybe go outside to be with them?  I'm thinking that maybe the girlfriend went outside, propped open the door so she could get back in and while she was out, little Haleigh woke up and wandered outside to look for her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 13, 2009, 12:36:01 PM
Thank you supersleuth!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 13, 2009, 12:43:05 PM
Anyone think this could maybe a fake...trying to make money off of an 'abduction' -  like the Anthony case??

---just a thought---       ::MonkeyEek::

Ok..thankfully someone else said it first. I hated myself for that thought even entering my head last night. I didnt entertain it for long, but I though...wow ..would they fake this so as to get money or attention on the heals of Caylee?
After watching more interviews I seriously doubt it... but I guess that will all the strange, weird and un comprehensible things people do now we start thinking these things.
In the end all that matters is that I pray Haleigh and Adji somehow come home alive..and that justice is served for Caylee.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JuJu on February 13, 2009, 12:49:45 PM
3 yrs old. I don't mind talking about it, frankly had I known what to look for, maybe it wouldn't have happened more than once...but, people are too afraid to talk about it and that just perpetuates the ability of these pervs trying to destroy our children.

I agree - looking back I could see all the signs that my SS was a child molester - and that my child had been molested. But at the time the parts did not seem to make a picture. It is too bad there is not a check list we could make of what to look for in both the molested and the molester. We could stop a lot of evil in the world.
there is a checklist and my son had almost every sign, but no one ever talks about it due to shame, and they shouldn't feel shame because they did NOTHING wrong.

morning monkeys
island could you share that list in mussings....tia


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kitkat53 on February 13, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Even if a young child is afraid of the dark, I would think they would also be afraid of waking up alone in a house. If a door were open, wouldn't they assume that an adult was just outside and maybe go outside to be with them?  I'm thinking that maybe the girlfriend went outside, propped open the door so she could get back in and while she was out, little Haleigh woke up and wandered outside to look for her.

Wasn't it the screen door that was propped open? So there would have been another door to go through before you would open the screen door. She may have propped open the screen door but I am sure she would have shut the other door when she came back in.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dolce on February 13, 2009, 12:52:39 PM
Even if a young child is afraid of the dark, I would think they would also be afraid of waking up alone in a house. If a door were open, wouldn't they assume that an adult was just outside and maybe go outside to be with them?  I'm thinking that maybe the girlfriend went outside, propped open the door so she could get back in and while she was out, little Haleigh woke up and wandered outside to look for her.

Wasn't it the screen door that was propped open? So there would have been another door to go through before you would open the screen door. She may have propped open the screen door but I am sure she would have shut the other door when she came back in.
That is where I am confused.  There have been 2 types of doors mentioned thus far and no clarification as to which was doing what.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 13, 2009, 12:52:53 PM
Most recent article on search effort.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-13/story/day_4_leads_filter_in_evidence_lab_work_a_priority_in_haleighs_abd


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 13, 2009, 12:59:59 PM
Even if a young child is afraid of the dark, I would think they would also be afraid of waking up alone in a house. If a door were open, wouldn't they assume that an adult was just outside and maybe go outside to be with them?  I'm thinking that maybe the girlfriend went outside, propped open the door so she could get back in and while she was out, little Haleigh woke up and wandered outside to look for her.

i guess that would depend on the child. i have 2 boys and i can tell you what they would have done if they thought i was outside an open door late at night. theyd have stayed in the lit kitchen and started yelling for me. i guess since the dad has said shes shy and afraid of the dark, it makes me uncertain thats something shed do. but then of course i dont know her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dolce on February 13, 2009, 01:00:36 PM
Most recent article on search effort.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-13/story/day_4_leads_filter_in_evidence_lab_work_a_priority_in_haleighs_abd
FOR THOSE WORKING


SATSUMA — Investigators have received about 350 leads since little Haleigh Cummings disappeared four days ago from her Putnam County home.

Local, state and federal agencies are continuing to follow each one and today are doing more interviews and re-interviews in a case they're calling an abduction, Sheriff Jeff Hardy said this morning.

They've already talked with each of the sex offenders registered nearby, Hardy said. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement registry lists 44 in the 5-mile radius from the Green Lane mobile home. Two live within a mile.

For the first time civilian volunteers are being allowed in the search as the grid has been expanded. They're being paired with law enforcement officers in case any evidence is found.

Searches by horseback also are now under way by Texas EquuSearch, a group specializing in such efforts.

Overall there are a little more than 100 people involved in the mission and Hardy said it'll continue until answers are found.

Dominick Pape, the special agent in charge of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement Jacksonville office, emphasized that lab work on evidence has been moved to the front of the line. He and Hardy couldn't release further details about what they've found.


"At this time the world is a suspect and we really haven't excluded anybody," Hardy said as national media surrounded his morning briefing.

He also wouldn't comment on whether there were any inconsistencies or if 17-year-old Misty Croslin's story had changed. Croslin said she put 5-year-old Haleigh, her boyfriend's daughter, to bed Monday night about 8:15 while he was at work.


About two hours later Croslin said she went to sleep with Ronald Cummings' other child, 3-year-old Ronald Jr., in the same room. Haleigh was asleep in a separate bed by the television set, she later told media.


There's some discrepancy and confusion about what initially was reported that she was in the same bed as Haleigh. That information came from Cummings and was widely reported.


But it couldn't be confirmed if there was any misinterpretation of what was told to him and what was told to the media. Nobody questioned it until Croslin's interview Thursday, however.

Croslin said she did not hear anything or notice anything wrong until she got up about 3 a.m.

“When I went to sleep she was there,” she said. “When I woke up she was gone.”

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office took Croslin’s 911 call at 3:27 a.m., around the same time Cummings got home.

“I don’t care what people are saying about me because I didn’t do it,” Croslin told the Times-Union Thursday. She said she loves Haleigh, and Haleigh loves her. She just wants her back home.

“I was sleeping,” she said. “I don’t know what happened.”

She said she woke up  to notice a light on, the back door open and Haleigh gone. A brick or cinder block was propping the screen door open.

Thursday she said she had volunteered to take a polygraph test -- two of them.

“We have all offered to take lie detectors,” Cummings, 25, said of his family. He said there was no reason to believe he or his girlfriend failed them.

He said he is willing to do what is needed.

“If you need to draw blood, draw blood,” he said.

Hardy said he could not comment on the polygraph results, but that the family, friends and neighbors have been very cooperative.

George Anthony, whose granddaughter Caylee disappeared in Orlando in what became an internationally recognized case, showed up Thursday to offer support to the family.

“They do not need to be judged,” Anthony said. “They do not need to be scrutinized.”

Cummings has custody of Haleigh and Ronald Jr. and shared parental responsibility with Crystal Sheffield, 23, court records show. Sheffield has said the two get along and has been in Satsuma with family for the search.

Cummings said he has no idea who might try to take his daughter. He said he tends to stay to himself.

“I don’t make friends, I don’t make enemies,” he said.

Anyone with information about Haleigh’s whereabouts can contact the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office at (386) 329-0808.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 01:01:28 PM
3 yrs old. I don't mind talking about it, frankly had I known what to look for, maybe it wouldn't have happened more than once...but, people are too afraid to talk about it and that just perpetuates the ability of these pervs trying to destroy our children.

I agree - looking back I could see all the signs that my SS was a child molester - and that my child had been molested. But at the time the parts did not seem to make a picture. It is too bad there is not a check list we could make of what to look for in both the molested and the molester. We could stop a lot of evil in the world.
there is a checklist and my son had almost every sign, but no one ever talks about it due to shame, and they shouldn't feel shame because they did NOTHING wrong.

morning monkeys
island could you share that list in mussings....tia

Sure.......are they expecting it ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kitkat53 on February 13, 2009, 01:04:36 PM
Even if a young child is afraid of the dark, I would think they would also be afraid of waking up alone in a house. If a door were open, wouldn't they assume that an adult was just outside and maybe go outside to be with them?  I'm thinking that maybe the girlfriend went outside, propped open the door so she could get back in and while she was out, little Haleigh woke up and wandered outside to look for her.

Wasn't it the screen door that was propped open? So there would have been another door to go through before you would open the screen door. She may have propped open the screen door but I am sure she would have shut the other door when she came back in.
That is where I am confused.  There have been 2 types of doors mentioned thus far and no clarification as to which was doing what.

So the girlfriend said that the door was open when she woke up around 3:30. So if that was the case then that is how she noticed that the screen door was propped open. If the child wandered off I doubt she would have propped any door open, left the door open yes but you know how a screen door usually snaps back when it opened. If she was abducted maybe that is why the screen door was propped open do hide the noise it makes when closes behind you. IDK very confusing right now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
I thought she said she got up to go to the bathroom, saw the kitchen light on and then saw the back door standing open.  I think I have heard it referred to as a screen door but most of the screen doors I have see have wooden frames with latches. I know mobile homes usually have storn doors...the ones with aluminum frames. The father referred to the lock as a plastic lock. On storm doors, I have seen these little latches that I wouldn't really consider much of a locking mechanism.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 01:05:48 PM
Even if a young child is afraid of the dark, I would think they would also be afraid of waking up alone in a house. If a door were open, wouldn't they assume that an adult was just outside and maybe go outside to be with them?  I'm thinking that maybe the girlfriend went outside, propped open the door so she could get back in and while she was out, little Haleigh woke up and wandered outside to look for her.

Wasn't it the screen door that was propped open? So there would have been another door to go through before you would open the screen door. She may have propped open the screen door but I am sure she would have shut the other door when she came back in.
That is where I am confused.  There have been 2 types of doors mentioned thus far and no clarification as to which was doing what.

Yes screen door was the one propped open.... so why was the other door "wide open" as well. I CAN see propping the screen, it may squeak and "perp" ( IF there is one) would want that out of his way as he manuvered picking the lock.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 13, 2009, 01:07:05 PM
yikes.. I see big problems.. her affect is way off.. sometimes flat, sometimes defiant looking.. they better be looking at her REALLY good.. I am not feeling the love for her AT ALL  ::MonkeyNoNo::


I'm going back to what I said last night.  If it were me/my husband who'd "lost" our child,  we wouldn't be hanging out for interviews or lollygagging in a tent or otherwhere.  We would have gone nuts looking for her, and like a poster mentioned earlier re. the lost child on the beach, our screaming our childs name would have continued until our voices gave out and we collapsed from exhaustion.

Its too heartbreaking to even imagine...so that's why "affect" and these ridiculous interviews tick me off to no end...and certainly color my opinions. 

A picture does tell a thousand words (I think).

Foggy
I am not exaclty sure what you mean, Foggy, but my mentioning the 17 yr olds "affect" was mentioned purely from a psych point of view. I am a trained pysch nurse with experience in evaluating people as they present themselves. Notice I have said nothing about the dad. He presented as appropriate to the circumstance.. She DID NOT..why are you ticked off? If I ticked you off, I am certainly sorry, but it is moo  ::MonkeyEek::


Flamon, ita with you.  But what irks me (aka ticks me off :gaah:) is that the principals are standing around doing interviews when imo they should be out beating the bushes.  That's all. And as re. the 17 y/o, in the couple of interviews I have seen I also found her a bit "off"--whether one refers to her affect, demeanor, attitude etc. doesn't much matter to me.  In one of the interviews I saw a younger version of Susan Smith.  Another interview I saw didn't change that impression so I'm still wary of the 17 y/o.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Back to catching up...
I believe that law enforcement discourages the family from searching.  TES does also.  There are several reasons for this, but one important one is, if the family was involved then they could search the sight were they did something bad and distroy the evidence.  There are other reasons.

Having the media on your side and keeping your child's face before the public is very important.




Yes, I understand keeping attn on the story, and that people are routinely advised against searching because of possibly destroying evidence etc.  Not to sound like a broken record, but my husband and I wouldn't be in front of the cameras.  LE would have to arrest us to prevent us from searching.  A relative or friend could do face time w/the cameras.  I just find it unnatural for parents to sit by just waiting for something to happen. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 13, 2009, 01:21:16 PM
I watched the videos of Dad, Girlfriend, Grandma, and then on NG last night the interview with Haleigh's Mother and maternal Grandmother.
 I understand that these people who are the Parents of this Baby are Young, *seemingly uneducated * that is my opinion.  No Hate please. (lack of education is a crime of society not a crime of these people)   
These are young people who have young children, trying to their best with what they have. The Dad is working and trying. The 17yr girlfriend I am not so sure of.

I can't understand HOW a 17yr old is to be responsible to raise and be a live in Babysitter and play Mother role ... why is she not in High School? Maybe she is, I do not know.
 Why is she to be held accountable  ? Where are her Parents? Why would they allow Misty to live in this Home of a 24, 25 yr old man and be responsible for his children.
It seems to be way too much for a 17 yr old child to be in that situation in the first place. It has to be overwhelming period for her. Irregardless of all that is happening around her with Haleigh being missing.

Misty is not an Adult - Legally on her own. Seems messed up to me.

My cousin was watching Misty on the News - Misty stating she didnt wake up. My Cousin Piped up and said - Why would she? She is 17 ! she is still growing... My daughters when they were teenagers could sleep all day if you let them. A freight train could come through and they would not wake up.

The DAD  - I have no opinion on. I just think he is a product of his own environment. He seems be trying and doing what he can. I don't know what to think of him. I do not understand the teenage girlfriend aspect - But ... who am I.

The Mother - I watched her on NG last night. She showed no emotions. None. No Fear, no anger, No frustration, No nothing. She seemed numb. No plight of Find MY DAUGHTER...the only time she showed any emotion was when she had to answer NG about " Custody". The Maternal Grandma - No emotion either. Was if they both were Scared to be on Camera. That's what I saw from the onset when NG's camera show their faces - FEAR of being on the Camera. I saw within the face of Mom a slight smirk being held back when NG announced her name Live is Mother of Haleleigh ..that the Mom was trying not to smile. Maybe it was her being nervous.

If My Baby was Missing - I would not be Nervous - I would be screaming for Help.

The other thing that I noticed was The Mother stating to NG that Dad's Mom was the first to contact her that Haleigh was missing - at 3:49 am. That she called her and said Haleleigh is Missing. NG questioned her What was your response.
She said at first I thought it was a prank.

Now Why would it not be LE to first contact the Mother. Nothing wrong with Grandma calling her don't get me wrong. The timing though is strange to me.

Was not the 911 call made at 3:30 am by Misty. I am thinking that the 911 call was of Misty and Dad (both talking to 911)for more than 15 mins ... I would think ... with Dad coming in and having Misty to explain to him - while Misty was on the phone with 911 .... something is not right.

Who Called Dad's Mom ? The Timing is Off. Who called Grandma to Explain the situation In order for Grandma to Get the Facts, Understand it and figure out what the Hell was going on ...  and then Call Crystal and say - Haleleigh is MISSING.

All of this transpired in 19 Mins - ummmmmm  -
 
Dad's Mom-Grandma Called " Crystal" MOM at 3:49 am. As Crystal said on NG and her Mother seemed to back up the information.

  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Something is NOT Right


I am praying for Haleigh :smt049




 








Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Puzzler on February 13, 2009, 01:23:15 PM
Has it been mentioned if finger prints were lifted from the door, the lock, the propping rock, the outside of the door...etc.?

I am thinking that they will only lift the prints of the father and the girlfriend (which they will write a side note stating that the 2 live there and touch it frequently)  It would be interesting to see if it was wiped clean.

The item propped against the door to hold it open was a cinder block.
The father said he wasn't aware on any cinder blocks around his home.
We find out that there's a pile of cinder blocks about fifty feet from the home.
I would think that a cinder block would be the perfect thing to hold the door open so that the child could be carried out with ease.
Unfortunately, hard to get fingerprints off cinder blocks - small possibility of some DNA though because cinder blocks are heavy and skin cells could come off on the block

There's something wrong here!  My instincts, intuition and red flags are all up on this one!



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 01:24:25 PM
http://www.wpbf.com/news/18709184/detail.html

No New Clues Found In Missing Girl Search
Family Holds Onto Hope At Vigils

POSTED: 12:43 pm EST February 13, 2009
UPDATED: 12:47 pm EST February 13, 2009

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Despite an intense search of a five-mile area around the home of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings using helicopters, boats and ground teams on Thursday, investigators found no new clues in the search for the Putnam County girl.

Haleigh's father, Johnny Sheffield, wears a button at a recent vigil. 

A news conference was held Friday morning, in which officials updated the public on the status of the search.

"We're now approaching the 80th hour that Haleigh and we're still extremely concerned about her safety and whereabouts," Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said.

New ground crews will be brought into the search Friday, including Texas Equusearch. All-terrain vehicles will be used to get into thick brush and marshy areas.

"I had the opportunity to go up in the chopper to look. It's extremely thick and dense, tough search today," Hardy said.

Family members of Haleigh were offered polygraph examinations earlier this week as authorities interview everyone related to the child.

Misty Croslin, 17, was home when the girl disappeared. She is the girlfriend of Haleigh's father, and took the exam. She said she would never do anything to hurt Haleigh.

"I just want everyone to know that I didn't do anything with that little girl. I love her like she's my own, and I'll do anything to get her back," Croslin said.

Croslin said she woke up to find the girl gone and the back door of the home propped open with a brick.

Search crews are working around the clock to find the missing girl.

Investigators could talk with family members on both sides again Friday, but they're not going into specifics.

Hardy said all 44 sex offenders who live within the area around the home have been interviewed and the residents have been searched and cleared.

State, local and federal agencies have been working close together on the case and for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's crime lab, finding Haleigh is top priority.

"I will not get into items of evidence. There's a series of different types whether it's fingerprints or DNA analysis. We will use the full force leads we can and I don't have a time line," Dominic Pape of FDLE said.

"We have actively investigated over 350 leads to date. We're not going to limit to Putnam. We'll go wherever it takes us," Hardy said.

Haleigh's family is hanging onto their optimism.

Candles signified hope for Haleigh's loved ones. Her grandfather said he has no doubt he'll hold her in his arms again.

"That pastor over there, that man of God, he said God told him she was alive, nearby and safe, and he's never been wrong, and if he tells you something, you can take it to the bank," grandfather Johnny Sheffield said.

"We'll do it every night at 8:30 p.m. for as long as we can," grandmother Teresa Neves said.

A familiar face joined in the search for Haleigh. George Anthony, the grandfather of slain toddler Caylee Anthony, showed up at the command post to offer help and support.

"They do not need to be judged. They do not need to be scrutinized. They need your help," Anthony said. "The community needs to come together to help this family and bring this beautiful little girl home. I understand it. Some of you may not, but I understand it."

The Anthonys held a memorial service on Tuesday to say goodbye to Caylee.

 To comment on this story, send an e-mail to Todd Wilson


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 01:25:16 PM
Yet another version ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492425,00.html

Police Finish Questioning 44 Sex Offenders in Missing Florida Girl Case, No Leads
Friday, February 13, 2009 


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 Investigators have questioned 44 registered sex offenders living near the home of a missing Florida girl after hundreds of leads in the case have failed to turn up any sign of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

"All the sex offenders have been interviewed and their residences have been searched," said Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Putnam. "They're cleared as far as us contacting them and speaking to them."

Putnam said that more than 50 investigators and over 100 volunteers from Equusearch continued to look for Haleigh Friday, three days after she disappeared after she reportedly vanished from her bed before dawn Tuesday.

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Detectives are now expanding their search into the "thick and marshy" area near her home after repeatedly covering closer properties, but did not sound a hopeful note Friday as they announced the "prudent" measure.

"It's extremely thick and very dense," said Putnam. "It's going to be very tough search."

Sheriffs haven't narrowed down their list of suspects in the case. They have gotten more than 350 leads.

"At this time, the world is a suspect and we really haven't excluded anybody," said Putnam as he announced that family members would again be interviewed Friday.

Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, have been questioned by police.

They told FOX News' Greta Van Susteren that they had both submitted to polygraphs and "passed" the tests. Sheriff's officials would not release the results.

Croslin discovered Haleigh missing Tuesday morning. According to Ronald Cummings, Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door of the mobile home they shared was open. THIS IS THE FIRST I HEARD THAT HALEIGH GOT UP TO USE THE BATHROOM ::MonkeyConfused::


"I locked doors before I left for work. My child cannot unlock the deadbolt, you have to force the door shut all the way ... and she doesn’t open the door to strangers," Cummings said.


Investigators say Croslin told them she was sleeping in the same bed with Haleigh and her little brother Junior. She told media a slightly different version of events.

"I put her to bed around 8 o'clock and I woke up and she was gone and the back door was wide open," Croslin said. "The last time I seen her was when I put her to bed. She was in her bed in front of the TV, and me and Junior was in, were in, my bed."

Croslin and Cummings called 911 after discovering the girl was missing, according to the police report.

Police have ruled out the possibility that the girl ran away after house-to-house searches of the neighborhood turned up no evidence that Haleigh wandered off.

Cummings said Croslin was awake and frantic after she found Haleigh was gone. But in the police report, obtained by FOX News, Cummings reportedly told officers that his "dumb bitch girlfriend" told him Haleigh was gone when he got home from work.

Police had never been called to the home in the past, but there have been prior problems with Cummings, Croslin and Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother Junior, according to Putnam County Capt. Steve Rose.

"There have been some investigations done through the department of children and family," Rose told FOX News. He didn't elaborate.
John Harrell, spokesman for the northeast region of the Florida Department of Children and Families, said Thursday that his agency "was involved with the family." He wouldn't offer any details, citing state confidentiality laws.In addition to Croslin and Cummings, the child's mother, Crystal Sheffield, has been questioned in the case.

Sheriff's officials said they would continue to search for Haleigh wherever evidence leads them.

"We have actively investigated and pursued over 350 leads that have come in to date. We are not going to limit this search to Putnam County — we'll go wherever it takes us," Putnam said.

Haleigh is 3 feet tall with blond hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a pink shirt and underwear.

Anyone with information about the girl is urged to contact the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at (386) 329-0800 or 911.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 13, 2009, 01:29:59 PM
http://www.wpbf.com/news/18709184/detail.html

No New Clues Found In Missing Girl Search
Family Holds Onto Hope At Vigils

POSTED: 12:43 pm EST February 13, 2009
UPDATED: 12:47 pm EST February 13, 2009

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Despite an intense search of a five-mile area around the home of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings using helicopters, boats and ground teams on Thursday, investigators found no new clues in the search for the Putnam County girl.

Haleigh's father, Johnny Sheffield, wears a button at a recent vigil.

her dad is ronnie cummings isnt he? why are they all so sloppy in what they put out there, its so annoying.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 13, 2009, 01:33:29 PM
if my baby was gone I would call my parents first, specifically my mom, she would be there as fast as she could.  But the timing sounded odd to me too, but again, i don't really like or believe bio mom.  she bothers me.

also did you notice the father does all interviews w/cell phone like it's attached to him, it's even rang in atleast one I can remember, typical younger generation has to stay connected at all times. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 01:34:44 PM
So, now they're reporting that Haleigh got up to go to the bathroom...not the girlfriend??? If the GF was asleep, how does she know Haleigh got up to go to the bathroom???  Either lots of stories changing here or big errors by the media.  I'm still amazed at the name similarity...Haleigh Marie and Caylee Marie??? What are the odds???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Puzzler on February 13, 2009, 01:35:43 PM
Even if a young child is afraid of the dark, I would think they would also be afraid of waking up alone in a house. If a door were open, wouldn't they assume that an adult was just outside and maybe go outside to be with them?  I'm thinking that maybe the girlfriend went outside, propped open the door so she could get back in and while she was out, little Haleigh woke up and wandered outside to look for her.

Wasn't it the screen door that was propped open? So there would have been another door to go through before you would open the screen door. She may have propped open the screen door but I am sure she would have shut the other door when she came back in.
That is where I am confused.  There have been 2 types of doors mentioned thus far and no clarification as to which was doing what.

The father said that the back door has a deadbolt lock on it up high enough that Hayliegh cannot reach it AND that it's real hard to lock/unlock as you have to really lean on it make the lock work. 

Now...we also heard that there's no evidence of a "break-in". 

About two years ago, it was all over the internet how even a child could open a door lock within seconds, even deadbolts.  Only a certain type deadbolt was not susceptible to being opened. My husband and I changed all our deadbolt locks at that time because it was scary how easy a home could be entered without any evidence of a break-in.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 13, 2009, 01:36:37 PM
http://www.wpbf.com/news/18709184/detail.html

No New Clues Found In Missing Girl Search
Family Holds Onto Hope At Vigils

POSTED: 12:43 pm EST February 13, 2009
UPDATED: 12:47 pm EST February 13, 2009

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Despite an intense search of a five-mile area around the home of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings using helicopters, boats and ground teams on Thursday, investigators found no new clues in the search for the Putnam County girl.

Haleigh's father, Johnny Sheffield, wears a button at a recent vigil.

her dad is ronnie cummings isnt he? why are they all so sloppy in what they put out there, its so annoying.

Hmm when I was listening to NG last night - I remember that when NG said this is Mother and maternal Grandmother  - Crystal and Grandma had two different last names.
And I do recall Crystal's last name Sheffield. But Grandma had a different last name.
I think that Johnny is Grandpa isnt he?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 01:37:52 PM
yikes.. I see big problems.. her affect is way off.. sometimes flat, sometimes defiant looking.. they better be looking at her REALLY good.. I am not feeling the love for her AT ALL  ::MonkeyNoNo::


I'm going back to what I said last night.  If it were me/my husband who'd "lost" our child,  we wouldn't be hanging out for interviews or lollygagging in a tent or otherwhere.  We would have gone nuts looking for her, and like a poster mentioned earlier re. the lost child on the beach, our screaming our childs name would have continued until our voices gave out and we collapsed from exhaustion.

Its too heartbreaking to even imagine...so that's why "affect" and these ridiculous interviews tick me off to no end...and certainly color my opinions. 

A picture does tell a thousand words (I think).

Foggy
I am not exaclty sure what you mean, Foggy, but my mentioning the 17 yr olds "affect" was mentioned purely from a psych point of view. I am a trained pysch nurse with experience in evaluating people as they present themselves. Notice I have said nothing about the dad. He presented as appropriate to the circumstance.. She DID NOT..why are you ticked off? If I ticked you off, I am certainly sorry, but it is moo  ::MonkeyEek::


Flamon, ita with you.  But what irks me (aka ticks me off :gaah:) is that the principals are standing around doing interviews when imo they should be out beating the bushes.  That's all. And as re. the 17 y/o, in the couple of interviews I have seen I also found her a bit "off"--whether one refers to her affect, demeanor, attitude etc. doesn't much matter to me.  In one of the interviews I saw a younger version of Susan Smith.  Another interview I saw didn't change that impression so I'm still wary of the 17 y/o.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Back to catching up...
I believe that law enforcement discourages the family from searching.  TES does also.  There are several reasons for this, but one important one is, if the family was involved then they could search the sight were they did something bad and distroy the evidence.  There are other reasons.

Having the media on your side and keeping your child's face before the public is very important.




Yes, I understand keeping attn on the story, and that people are routinely advised against searching because of possibly destroying evidence etc.  Not to sound like a broken record, but my husband and I wouldn't be in front of the cameras.  LE would have to arrest us to prevent us from searching.  A relative or friend could do face time w/the cameras.  I just find it unnatural for parents to sit by just waiting for something to happen. 

Since I have never been in the situation I don't know what I would do.  But I think that I would be so emotionally and physically exhausted that I would do what the LE told me to do.  I think that my mind would be so drained that I would look toward authority figures to guide me.  But as I said I really don't know what I would do.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 01:38:39 PM
http://www.wpbf.com/news/18709184/detail.html

No New Clues Found In Missing Girl Search
Family Holds Onto Hope At Vigils

POSTED: 12:43 pm EST February 13, 2009
UPDATED: 12:47 pm EST February 13, 2009

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Despite an intense search of a five-mile area around the home of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings using helicopters, boats and ground teams on Thursday, investigators found no new clues in the search for the Putnam County girl.

Haleigh's father, Johnny Sheffield, wears a button at a recent vigil.

her dad is ronnie cummings isnt he? why are they all so sloppy in what they put out there, its so annoying.

Thank you, I didn't catch that. Johnny Sheffield is the gf of Haleigh.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 13, 2009, 01:39:06 PM
I watched the videos of Dad, Girlfriend, Grandma, and then on NG last night the interview with Haleigh's Mother and maternal Grandmother.
 I understand that these people who are the Parents of this Baby are Young, *seemingly uneducated * that is my opinion.  No Hate please. (lack of education is a crime of society not a crime of these people)   
These are young people who have young children, trying to their best with what they have. The Dad is working and trying. The 17yr girlfriend I am not so sure of.

I can't understand HOW a 17yr old is to be responsible to raise and be a live in Babysitter and play Mother role ... why is she not in High School? Maybe she is, I do not know.
 Why is she to be held accountable  ? Where are her Parents? Why would they allow Misty to live in this Home of a 24, 25 yr old man and be responsible for his children.
It seems to be way too much for a 17 yr old child to be in that situation in the first place. It has to be overwhelming period for her. Irregardless of all that is happening around her with Haleigh being missing.

Misty is not an Adult - Legally on her own. Seems messed up to me.

My cousin was watching Misty on the News - Misty stating she didnt wake up. My Cousin Piped up and said - Why would she? She is 17 ! she is still growing... My daughters when they were teenagers could sleep all day if you let them. A freight train could come through and they would not wake up.

The DAD  - I have no opinion on. I just think he is a product of his own environment. He seems be trying and doing what he can. I don't know what to think of him. I do not understand the teenage girlfriend aspect - But ... who am I.

The Mother - I watched her on NG last night. She showed no emotions. None. No Fear, no anger, No frustration, No nothing. She seemed numb. No plight of Find MY DAUGHTER...the only time she showed any emotion was when she had to answer NG about " Custody". The Maternal Grandma - No emotion either. Was if they both were Scared to be on Camera. That's what I saw from the onset when NG's camera show their faces - FEAR of being on the Camera. I saw within the face of Mom a slight smirk being held back when NG announced her name Live is Mother of Haleleigh ..that the Mom was trying not to smile. Maybe it was her being nervous.

If My Baby was Missing - I would not be Nervous - I would be screaming for Help.

The other thing that I noticed was The Mother stating to NG that Dad's Mom was the first to contact her that Haleigh was missing - at 3:49 am. That she called her and said Haleleigh is Missing. NG questioned her What was your response.
She said at first I thought it was a prank.

Now Why would it not be LE to first contact the Mother. Nothing wrong with Grandma calling her don't get me wrong. The timing though is strange to me.

Was not the 911 call made at 3:30 am by Misty. I am thinking that the 911 call was of Misty and Dad (both talking to 911)for more than 15 mins ... I would think ... with Dad coming in and having Misty to explain to him - while Misty was on the phone with 911 .... something is not right.

Who Called Dad's Mom ? The Timing is Off. Who called Grandma to Explain the situation In order for Grandma to Get the Facts, Understand it and figure out what the Hell was going on ...  and then Call Crystal and say - Haleleigh is MISSING.

All of this transpired in 19 Mins - ummmmmm  -
 
Dad's Mom-Grandma Called " Crystal" MOM at 3:49 am. As Crystal said on NG and her Mother seemed to back up the information.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

Something is NOT Right


I am praying for Haleigh :smt049




 








I agree with every point, especially the timeline of phone calls to 911, the length and then the calls to Ronald's mom and then to Crystal.....WAY OFF ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Puzzler on February 13, 2009, 01:40:49 PM
Even if a young child is afraid of the dark, I would think they would also be afraid of waking up alone in a house. If a door were open, wouldn't they assume that an adult was just outside and maybe go outside to be with them?  I'm thinking that maybe the girlfriend went outside, propped open the door so she could get back in and while she was out, little Haleigh woke up and wandered outside to look for her.

Wasn't it the screen door that was propped open? So there would have been another door to go through before you would open the screen door. She may have propped open the screen door but I am sure she would have shut the other door when she came back in.
That is where I am confused.  There have been 2 types of doors mentioned thus far and no clarification as to which was doing what.

Yes screen door was the one propped open.... so why was the other door "wide open" as well. I CAN see propping the screen, it may squeak and "perp" ( IF there is one) would want that out of his way as he manuvered picking the lock.

If someone entered the home to take the child, I would think they would want both doors open to facilitate ease in removing the child from the home (don't want to bother with and slow down the process by having to open doors...any door).



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Puzzler on February 13, 2009, 01:44:15 PM
Even if a young child is afraid of the dark, I would think they would also be afraid of waking up alone in a house. If a door were open, wouldn't they assume that an adult was just outside and maybe go outside to be with them?  I'm thinking that maybe the girlfriend went outside, propped open the door so she could get back in and while she was out, little Haleigh woke up and wandered outside to look for her.

Wasn't it the screen door that was propped open? So there would have been another door to go through before you would open the screen door. She may have propped open the screen door but I am sure she would have shut the other door when she came back in.
That is where I am confused.  There have been 2 types of doors mentioned thus far and no clarification as to which was doing what.

Yes screen door was the one propped open.... so why was the other door "wide open" as well. I CAN see propping the screen, it may squeak and "perp" ( IF there is one) would want that out of his way as he manuvered picking the lock.

If someone entered the home to take the child, I would think they would want both doors open to facilitate ease in removing the child from the home (don't want to bother with and slow down the process by having to open doors...any door).



Oh...and...while you could open a door quietly and prop it open and keep quiet, it wouldn't be the same upon leaving with a child in your arms...you would make a noise and potentially wake up someone upon leaving unless you had the doors wide open, propped open so you could quietly escape.

Also, I've been wondering...do you think the gf woke up in the middle of the night because she heard something in her sleep that made her wake up but that by the time she was awake and up that the child was gone...if so, the child could have only been missing for seconds....



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 01:45:50 PM
I watched the videos of Dad, Girlfriend, Grandma, and then on NG last night the interview with Haleigh's Mother and maternal Grandmother.
 I understand that these people who are the Parents of this Baby are Young, *seemingly uneducated * that is my opinion.  No Hate please. (lack of education is a crime of society not a crime of these people)   
These are young people who have young children, trying to their best with what they have. The Dad is working and trying. The 17yr girlfriend I am not so sure of.

I can't understand HOW a 17yr old is to be responsible to raise and be a live in Babysitter and play Mother role ... why is she not in High School? Maybe she is, I do not know.
 Why is she to be held accountable  ? Where are her Parents? Why would they allow Misty to live in this Home of a 24, 25 yr old man and be responsible for his children.
It seems to be way too much for a 17 yr old child to be in that situation in the first place. It has to be overwhelming period for her. Irregardless of all that is happening around her with Haleigh being missing.

Misty is not an Adult - Legally on her own. Seems messed up to me.

My cousin was watching Misty on the News - Misty stating she didnt wake up. My Cousin Piped up and said - Why would she? She is 17 ! she is still growing... My daughters when they were teenagers could sleep all day if you let them. A freight train could come through and they would not wake up.

The DAD  - I have no opinion on. I just think he is a product of his own environment. He seems be trying and doing what he can. I don't know what to think of him. I do not understand the teenage girlfriend aspect - But ... who am I.

The Mother - I watched her on NG last night. She showed no emotions. None. No Fear, no anger, No frustration, No nothing. She seemed numb. No plight of Find MY DAUGHTER...the only time she showed any emotion was when she had to answer NG about " Custody". The Maternal Grandma - No emotion either. Was if they both were Scared to be on Camera. That's what I saw from the onset when NG's camera show their faces - FEAR of being on the Camera. I saw within the face of Mom a slight smirk being held back when NG announced her name Live is Mother of Haleleigh ..that the Mom was trying not to smile. Maybe it was her being nervous.

If My Baby was Missing - I would not be Nervous - I would be screaming for Help.

The other thing that I noticed was The Mother stating to NG that Dad's Mom was the first to contact her that Haleigh was missing - at 3:49 am. That she called her and said Haleleigh is Missing. NG questioned her What was your response.
She said at first I thought it was a prank.

Now Why would it not be LE to first contact the Mother. Nothing wrong with Grandma calling her don't get me wrong. The timing though is strange to me.

Was not the 911 call made at 3:30 am by Misty. I am thinking that the 911 call was of Misty and Dad (both talking to 911)for more than 15 mins ... I would think ... with Dad coming in and having Misty to explain to him - while Misty was on the phone with 911 .... something is not right.

Who Called Dad's Mom ? The Timing is Off. Who called Grandma to Explain the situation In order for Grandma to Get the Facts, Understand it and figure out what the Hell was going on ...  and then Call Crystal and say - Haleleigh is MISSING.

All of this transpired in 19 Mins - ummmmmm  -
 
Dad's Mom-Grandma Called " Crystal" MOM at 3:49 am. As Crystal said on NG and her Mother seemed to back up the information.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

Something is NOT Right


I am praying for Haleigh :smt049


Thanks for working up this timeline. Something isn't adding up here.

 








I agree with every point, especially the timeline of phone calls to 911, the length and then the calls to Ronald's mom and then to Crystal.....WAY OFF ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 01:49:47 PM
Has anyone heard any comments from little Haleigh's teacher?  Teachers are well trained to look for signals from children when there are "problems" in the home and in Florida, they are required, by law, to report them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 13, 2009, 01:55:59 PM
Has anyone heard any comments from little Haleigh's teacher?  Teachers are well trained to look for signals from children when there are "problems" in the home and in Florida, they are required, by law, to report them.

Mom said on NG last night that Haleigh had missed a lot of school. That Dad said Mom could not have her due to he would go to Jail if she missed any more days.

That was a topic brought up at the very end of NG - and not talked about further. Just stated.
My ex-fiance who has 3 children. Mom had primary custody. We had them Friday afternoon's till Sunday night - every weekend. MOM was a dead beat and was too Lazy to get the children up in the morning so they could be on the BUS and Attend school. He fought for years to get custody of them. Michigan Mom is golden - its just the way the laws are. Even if she is a lousy mother.
The kids missed so much school it was brought to His/our attention - via letters and Meetings ... yet it never went anywhere. She had to be threatened " GET off Your DEAD ASS " and make sure these Kids attend school.  Simple things that should be - are not always simple.






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 01:57:56 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/orl-bk-missing-florida-girl-haleigh-021309,0,2376704.story

short LE news conference and interview with gm Marie Griffis.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Puzzler on February 13, 2009, 01:58:10 PM
Things I find strange:

The father insists he made sure the deadbolt was locked.  He probably did.  Does NOT mean that the deadbolt was unlocked by someone after that because the father has to be at work at 3:00 in the afternoon...probably leaves his home around 2:30 in the afternoon.  Being devil's advocate...if you want to parse words...the father could have made sure that the deadbolt was locked and later on unlocked it himself.  Unless he were to say that he made sure the deadbolt was locked the instant before he left for work...well..

The bio mom's actions...not much affect...does seem a little angry/defiant.

The girlfriend's voice...small, whiney, hardly answering, BUT also strong and clear as in when the 9ll operator told her that they weren't to touch the door..the gf clearly stated that to the father.

The girlfriend's manner...small, whiney voice, seemingly crying...but the face and eyes don't match up with the voice.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 13, 2009, 02:00:40 PM
I thought I heard on one of the Video's that the Back door was never used - by anyone in the family.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on February 13, 2009, 02:01:57 PM
Have you guys seen this - Fox has webcam live:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 02:06:04 PM
I watched the videos of Dad, Girlfriend, Grandma, and then on NG last night the interview with Haleigh's Mother and maternal Grandmother.
 I understand that these people who are the Parents of this Baby are Young, *seemingly uneducated * that is my opinion.  No Hate please. (lack of education is a crime of society not a crime of these people)   
These are young people who have young children, trying to their best with what they have. The Dad is working and trying. The 17yr girlfriend I am not so sure of.

I can't understand HOW a 17yr old is to be responsible to raise and be a live in Babysitter and play Mother role ... why is she not in High School? Maybe she is, I do not know.
 Why is she to be held accountable  ? Where are her Parents? Why would they allow Misty to live in this Home of a 24, 25 yr old man and be responsible for his children.
It seems to be way too much for a 17 yr old child to be in that situation in the first place. It has to be overwhelming period for her. Irregardless of all that is happening around her with Haleigh being missing.

Misty is not an Adult - Legally on her own. Seems messed up to me.

My cousin was watching Misty on the News - Misty stating she didnt wake up. My Cousin Piped up and said - Why would she? She is 17 ! she is still growing... My daughters when they were teenagers could sleep all day if you let them. A freight train could come through and they would not wake up.

The DAD  - I have no opinion on. I just think he is a product of his own environment. He seems be trying and doing what he can. I don't know what to think of him. I do not understand the teenage girlfriend aspect - But ... who am I.

The Mother - I watched her on NG last night. She showed no emotions. None. No Fear, no anger, No frustration, No nothing. She seemed numb. No plight of Find MY DAUGHTER...the only time she showed any emotion was when she had to answer NG about " Custody". The Maternal Grandma - No emotion either. Was if they both were Scared to be on Camera. That's what I saw from the onset when NG's camera show their faces - FEAR of being on the Camera. I saw within the face of Mom a slight smirk being held back when NG announced her name Live is Mother of Haleleigh ..that the Mom was trying not to smile. Maybe it was her being nervous.

If My Baby was Missing - I would not be Nervous - I would be screaming for Help.

The other thing that I noticed was The Mother stating to NG that Dad's Mom was the first to contact her that Haleigh was missing - at 3:49 am. That she called her and said Haleleigh is Missing. NG questioned her What was your response.
She said at first I thought it was a prank.

Now Why would it not be LE to first contact the Mother. Nothing wrong with Grandma calling her don't get me wrong. The timing though is strange to me.

Was not the 911 call made at 3:30 am by Misty. I am thinking that the 911 call was of Misty and Dad (both talking to 911)for more than 15 mins ... I would think ... with Dad coming in and having Misty to explain to him - while Misty was on the phone with 911 .... something is not right.

Who Called Dad's Mom ? The Timing is Off. Who called Grandma to Explain the situation In order for Grandma to Get the Facts, Understand it and figure out what the Hell was going on ...  and then Call Crystal and say - Haleleigh is MISSING.

All of this transpired in 19 Mins - ummmmmm  -
 
Dad's Mom-Grandma Called " Crystal" MOM at 3:49 am. As Crystal said on NG and her Mother seemed to back up the information.

  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Something is NOT Right


I am praying for Haleigh :smt049




 







The dad did mention on 911 tapes he was calling someone who would help instead of "wasting time on the phone with people who weren't coming" or something to that effect. He probably called his mom from his cell while Misty was on 911.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 13, 2009, 02:06:30 PM
Things I find strange:

The father insists he made sure the deadbolt was locked.  He probably did.  Does NOT mean that the deadbolt was unlocked by someone after that because the father has to be at work at 3:00 in the afternoon...probably leaves his home around 2:30 in the afternoon.  Being devil's advocate...if you want to parse words...the father could have made sure that the deadbolt was locked and later on unlocked it himself.  Unless he were to say that he made sure the deadbolt was locked the instant before he left for work...well..

The bio mom's actions...not much affect...does seem a little angry/defiant.

The girlfriend's voice...small, whiney, hardly answering, BUT also strong and clear as in when the 9ll operator told her that they weren't to touch the door..the gf clearly stated that to the father.

The girlfriend's manner...small, whiney voice, seemingly crying...but the face and eyes don't match up with the voice.


Makes me wonder what exactly happened after DAD went to work. He has stated he owns a Gun, so he has protection in his Mind -- for himself and family. He would not state it live that he is a gun owner - I would not think if he was not registered to own one. He seems to have had priors with LE in regards to Guns/Hunting etc... I believe its due to his own ignorance ..not of him being dangerous.

When you have very little and strive to keep what you have - and live in the middle of nowhere - I would think that Locking doors would be a priority. Especially with a 17 yr old in charge of your children.

Something does not add up.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 13, 2009, 02:13:49 PM
I watched the videos of Dad, Girlfriend, Grandma, and then on NG last night the interview with Haleigh's Mother and maternal Grandmother.
 I understand that these people who are the Parents of this Baby are Young, *seemingly uneducated * that is my opinion.  No Hate please. (lack of education is a crime of society not a crime of these people)   
These are young people who have young children, trying to their best with what they have. The Dad is working and trying. The 17yr girlfriend I am not so sure of.

I can't understand HOW a 17yr old is to be responsible to raise and be a live in Babysitter and play Mother role ... why is she not in High School? Maybe she is, I do not know.
 Why is she to be held accountable  ? Where are her Parents? Why would they allow Misty to live in this Home of a 24, 25 yr old man and be responsible for his children.
It seems to be way too much for a 17 yr old child to be in that situation in the first place. It has to be overwhelming period for her. Irregardless of all that is happening around her with Haleigh being missing.

Misty is not an Adult - Legally on her own. Seems messed up to me.

My cousin was watching Misty on the News - Misty stating she didnt wake up. My Cousin Piped up and said - Why would she? She is 17 ! she is still growing... My daughters when they were teenagers could sleep all day if you let them. A freight train could come through and they would not wake up.

The DAD  - I have no opinion on. I just think he is a product of his own environment. He seems be trying and doing what he can. I don't know what to think of him. I do not understand the teenage girlfriend aspect - But ... who am I.

The Mother - I watched her on NG last night. She showed no emotions. None. No Fear, no anger, No frustration, No nothing. She seemed numb. No plight of Find MY DAUGHTER...the only time she showed any emotion was when she had to answer NG about " Custody". The Maternal Grandma - No emotion either. Was if they both were Scared to be on Camera. That's what I saw from the onset when NG's camera show their faces - FEAR of being on the Camera. I saw within the face of Mom a slight smirk being held back when NG announced her name Live is Mother of Haleleigh ..that the Mom was trying not to smile. Maybe it was her being nervous.

If My Baby was Missing - I would not be Nervous - I would be screaming for Help.

The other thing that I noticed was The Mother stating to NG that Dad's Mom was the first to contact her that Haleigh was missing - at 3:49 am. That she called her and said Haleleigh is Missing. NG questioned her What was your response.
She said at first I thought it was a prank.

Now Why would it not be LE to first contact the Mother. Nothing wrong with Grandma calling her don't get me wrong. The timing though is strange to me.

Was not the 911 call made at 3:30 am by Misty. I am thinking that the 911 call was of Misty and Dad (both talking to 911)for more than 15 mins ... I would think ... with Dad coming in and having Misty to explain to him - while Misty was on the phone with 911 .... something is not right.

Who Called Dad's Mom ? The Timing is Off. Who called Grandma to Explain the situation In order for Grandma to Get the Facts, Understand it and figure out what the Hell was going on ...  and then Call Crystal and say - Haleleigh is MISSING.

All of this transpired in 19 Mins - ummmmmm  -
 
Dad's Mom-Grandma Called " Crystal" MOM at 3:49 am. As Crystal said on NG and her Mother seemed to back up the information.

  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Something is NOT Right


I am praying for Haleigh :smt049




 







The dad did mention on 911 tapes he was calling someone who would help instead of "wasting time on the phone with people who weren't coming" or something to that effect. He probably called his mom from his cell while Misty was on 911.
BUT how would one explain the situation in that Time Frame to Grandma - so Grandma would have Clarity of what happened ..for her to assess the situation as an adult and then go and call Crystal and tell her Your Daughter is Missing - in 19 mins.
Does not make any sense - because it seemed that DAD was in hysteria at that point.
How could his MOM assess everything and be capable of calling Crystal - sorry Leslee my anger is not towards you. I am a frustrated Monkey right now ... Gah 




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 02:18:18 PM
Have you guys seen this - Fox has webcam live:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1

Webcam not working for me, is it working for you right now?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 02:18:46 PM
If there was so much friction between the two sides of this family, I can't imagine the GM calling the mother out of the kindness of her heart. Maybe she called to see if the mother had taken the little girl??? But, I agree that all of this happened in a very short time frame. As a GM myself, I would have headed out of my house and straight to my sons house to get all the facts and help look for Haleigh.  But, I would have called to see if the mom had taken Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on February 13, 2009, 02:21:25 PM
Have you guys seen this - Fox has webcam live:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1

Webcam not working for me, is it working for you right now?
Yes - slow slow load, but is working for me.  Right after I posted the link, saw a group in the pic, one hat that safari hat murt wears...........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Mere on February 13, 2009, 02:21:28 PM
Have you guys seen this - Fox has webcam live:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1

Webcam not working for me, is it working for you right now?

It is working .... http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 02:23:13 PM
Webcam is working for me. Loading very slowly but it is working.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 02:23:52 PM
Have you guys seen this - Fox has webcam live:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1

Webcam not working for me, is it working for you right now?
Yes - slow slow load, but is working for me.  Right after I posted the link, saw a group in the pic, one hat that safari hat murt wears...........


I'm sure he's there if Leonard summoned him.  It's LP easiest way to get coverage via Murt's cam.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 13, 2009, 02:24:16 PM
If there was so much friction between the two sides of this family, I can't imagine the GM calling the mother out of the kindness of her heart. Maybe she called to see if the mother had taken the little girl??? But, I agree that all of this happened in a very short time frame. As a GM myself, I would have headed out of my house and straight to my sons house to get all the facts and help look for Haleigh.  But, I would have called to see if the mom had taken Haleigh.
Good Point  - I agree with you there. I would have gone to my Sons house first Yes and I would want to talk to him and the Police - and then 2nd call the MOM ...
Seems strange that the Mom lives so far away. Her children being so young. Is Jr ? Crystal's Son or Misty's ? Does anyone know?




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on February 13, 2009, 02:24:57 PM
Have you guys seen this - Fox has webcam live:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1

Webcam not working for me, is it working for you right now?
Yes - slow slow load, but is working for me.  Right after I posted the link, saw a group in the pic, one hat that safari hat murt wears...........

Klaas, try this link :   http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 02:25:44 PM
I believe both children have the same mother.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 02:27:57 PM
OK, the webcam is working for me now but I feel like I'm watching weeds grow  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 02:31:34 PM
I watched the videos of Dad, Girlfriend, Grandma, and then on NG last night the interview with Haleigh's Mother and maternal Grandmother.
 I understand that these people who are the Parents of this Baby are Young, *seemingly uneducated * that is my opinion.  No Hate please. (lack of education is a crime of society not a crime of these people)   
These are young people who have young children, trying to their best with what they have. The Dad is working and trying. The 17yr girlfriend I am not so sure of.

I can't understand HOW a 17yr old is to be responsible to raise and be a live in Babysitter and play Mother role ... why is she not in High School? Maybe she is, I do not know.
 Why is she to be held accountable  ? Where are her Parents? Why would they allow Misty to live in this Home of a 24, 25 yr old man and be responsible for his children.
It seems to be way too much for a 17 yr old child to be in that situation in the first place. It has to be overwhelming period for her. Irregardless of all that is happening around her with Haleigh being missing.

Misty is not an Adult - Legally on her own. Seems messed up to me.

My cousin was watching Misty on the News - Misty stating she didnt wake up. My Cousin Piped up and said - Why would she? She is 17 ! she is still growing... My daughters when they were teenagers could sleep all day if you let them. A freight train could come through and they would not wake up.

The DAD  - I have no opinion on. I just think he is a product of his own environment. He seems be trying and doing what he can. I don't know what to think of him. I do not understand the teenage girlfriend aspect - But ... who am I.

The Mother - I watched her on NG last night. She showed no emotions. None. No Fear, no anger, No frustration, No nothing. She seemed numb. No plight of Find MY DAUGHTER...the only time she showed any emotion was when she had to answer NG about " Custody". The Maternal Grandma - No emotion either. Was if they both were Scared to be on Camera. That's what I saw from the onset when NG's camera show their faces - FEAR of being on the Camera. I saw within the face of Mom a slight smirk being held back when NG announced her name Live is Mother of Haleleigh ..that the Mom was trying not to smile. Maybe it was her being nervous.

If My Baby was Missing - I would not be Nervous - I would be screaming for Help.

The other thing that I noticed was The Mother stating to NG that Dad's Mom was the first to contact her that Haleigh was missing - at 3:49 am. That she called her and said Haleleigh is Missing. NG questioned her What was your response.
She said at first I thought it was a prank.

Now Why would it not be LE to first contact the Mother. Nothing wrong with Grandma calling her don't get me wrong. The timing though is strange to me.

Was not the 911 call made at 3:30 am by Misty. I am thinking that the 911 call was of Misty and Dad (both talking to 911)for more than 15 mins ... I would think ... with Dad coming in and having Misty to explain to him - while Misty was on the phone with 911 .... something is not right.

Who Called Dad's Mom ? The Timing is Off. Who called Grandma to Explain the situation In order for Grandma to Get the Facts, Understand it and figure out what the Hell was going on ...  and then Call Crystal and say - Haleleigh is MISSING.

All of this transpired in 19 Mins - ummmmmm  -
 
Dad's Mom-Grandma Called " Crystal" MOM at 3:49 am. As Crystal said on NG and her Mother seemed to back up the information.

  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Something is NOT Right


I am praying for Haleigh :smt049




 







The dad did mention on 911 tapes he was calling someone who would help instead of "wasting time on the phone with people who weren't coming" or something to that effect. He probably called his mom from his cell while Misty was on 911.
BUT how would one explain the situation in that Time Frame to Grandma - so Grandma would have Clarity of what happened ..for her to assess the situation as an adult and then go and call Crystal and tell her Your Daughter is Missing - in 19 mins.
Does not make any sense - because it seemed that DAD was in hysteria at that point.
How could his MOM assess everything and be capable of calling Crystal - sorry Leslee my anger is not towards you. I am a frustrated Monkey right now ... Gah 




I know..we all are frustrated and what little info we get is awful. When emergencies happen ei: your son calls in a total panic...she's missing somebody took her! You are automatically going to ask who? Haleigh. At that point as gma you know your gd is missing, then how? I dont know. Brain clicks...maybe moms got her(?) and you want to call mom immediately praying to God she does have her, that whole transaction could be handled in less than two minutes, longer if gma tries to console her son. It's called flight or fight reaction, your brain does not process the magnitude of the situation until who, what, where, when and how  are answered. The bio mom was the most logical at that point ( and the safest)person to question and thats what gma did. I see nothing strange with that at all.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 02:34:32 PM
Nothing strange about the GM calling the mother. It's the time line that seems way off here.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Puzzler on February 13, 2009, 02:34:38 PM
I thought I heard on one of the Video's that the Back door was never used - by anyone in the family.



Yes, I heard that, too.  I also heard the father say that he used it to take out the vaccum cleaner to vaccum out his car.  I also heard the girlfriend say that she used it to take out the garbage.

If you use that door to take out the garbage, it would seem to me that the door is used often.  Maybe not several times a day, but often.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Lovinlife on February 13, 2009, 02:34:58 PM
This case scares me...I'm not going to speculate on anything.  I just wanted to comment on the 17 year old gf. 

I'm a single mom of one.  I have not gotten a decent nights sleep since my son's birth and have chocked it up that I probably won't get another until he's off on his own.  Every stretch, every roll over, every cough, every mumble, every snore is heard by me.  I check on him during the night.  Every day when he gets dressed I make it a point to memorize what he's wearing, just in case he doesn't get off the bus from school.  I might be over protective, but that is the way I choose to be.  I do not think that this 17 year old has the ability to comprehend the responsibility of taking care of these children.  I'm not saying that 17 year olds can't be good parents, when they are their birth parents.  JMO but watching someone elses children and having your own are two totally different things.  Why was she?  So sad the birth mother couldn't step up...

I don't know if this makes any sense, but there's my 2 cents.  Lovin


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 02:38:27 PM
They live in a doublewide mobile home, correct?  These mobile homes are spacious and I have to believe it would have 3 bedrooms, based on others I have seen. So...why do they all sleep in one bedroom?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 13, 2009, 02:40:29 PM
Snipped from Leslee - I don't want to keep stacking ;)

I know..we all are frustrated and what little info we get is awful. When emergencies happen ei: your son calls in a total panic...she's missing somebody took her! You are automatically going to ask who? Haleigh. At that point as gma you know your gd is missing, then how? I dont know. Brain clicks...maybe moms got her(?) and you want to call mom immediately praying to God she does have her, that whole transaction could be handled in less than two minutes, longer if gma tries to console her son. It's called flight or fight reaction, your brain does not process the magnitude of the situation until who, what, where, when and how  are answered. The bio mom was the most logical at that point ( and the safest)person to question and thats what gma did. I see nothing strange with that at all.

I agree with you - yes.


I still question Misty though ..17 yr olds imo should not be head of the household while Dad is away working or otherwise  - for two young children.
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I mean who's on First? The Grandma "Dad's Mom" seems to be on the ball. I know she cant be held responsible for her Son's choice in partners ...but a  " 17" year old ?



 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 02:45:38 PM
Can't remember whether it was JVM or NG that pointed out that when the GF was interviewed, she said "I loved that little girl like she was my own."  Not sure why she would be using past tense at this point.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Lovinlife on February 13, 2009, 02:47:00 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Deenie, I see you and I are on the same page...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on February 13, 2009, 02:47:05 PM
OT - If you are following the Jennifer Kesse case:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=343.new#new
New story from Fox: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/021209_serial_killer_claim


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 13, 2009, 02:47:43 PM
This case scares me...I'm not going to speculate on anything.  I just wanted to comment on the 17 year old gf. 

I'm a single mom of one.  I have not gotten a decent nights sleep since my son's birth and have chocked it up that I probably won't get another until he's off on his own.  Every stretch, every roll over, every cough, every mumble, every snore is heard by me.  I check on him during the night.  Every day when he gets dressed I make it a point to memorize what he's wearing, just in case he doesn't get off the bus from school.  I might be over protective, but that is the way I choose to be.  I do not think that this 17 year old has the ability to comprehend the responsibility of taking care of these children.  I'm not saying that 17 year olds can't be good parents, when they are their birth parents.  JMO but watching someone elses children and having your own are two totally different things.  Why was she?  So sad the birth mother couldn't step up...

I don't know if this makes any sense, but there's my 2 cents.  Lovin
The difference is Misty is not their Bio Mom - MOM's at any age can sense things that outsiders can't.  You make Sense No worries ...
The Bio Mom she has dirt on her - its quite obvious from her statements on NG last night about " custody".  I don't know how much dirt ..but she seemed uncomfortable and then to call out the Court that it was the fault of them having a faulty address - for her to MISS the Hearing for Custody..  ::MonkeyNoNo::
If you were a Mom and fighting for Custody for your children and YOU contacted the Court for the legal proceedings to happen "why" would (court) they not have a proper address on file to notify you? Seems to me it was the DAD who filed and they could not find Mom.
Again something wrong ...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Puzzler on February 13, 2009, 03:01:07 PM
Can't remember whether it was JVM or NG that pointed out that when the GF was interviewed, she said "I loved that little girl like she was my own."  Not sure why she would be using past tense at this point.

Yes....and I would be crying tears that rolled down my face...not just a whiney voice.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 03:02:47 PM
Snipped from Leslee - I don't want to keep stacking ;)

I know..we all are frustrated and what little info we get is awful. When emergencies happen ei: your son calls in a total panic...she's missing somebody took her! You are automatically going to ask who? Haleigh. At that point as gma you know your gd is missing, then how? I dont know. Brain clicks...maybe moms got her(?) and you want to call mom immediately praying to God she does have her, that whole transaction could be handled in less than two minutes, longer if gma tries to console her son. It's called flight or fight reaction, your brain does not process the magnitude of the situation until who, what, where, when and how  are answered. The bio mom was the most logical at that point ( and the safest)person to question and thats what gma did. I see nothing strange with that at all.

I agree with you - yes.


I still question Misty though ..17 yr olds imo should not be head of the household while Dad is away working or otherwise  - for two young children.
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I mean who's on First? The Grandma "Dad's Mom" seems to be on the ball. I know she cant be held responsible for her Son's choice in partners ...but a  " 17" year old ?



Hey thats my line  ::MonkeyLaugh::

If I were a single parent I would let a 17 yr old spend the night to watch my kids. It's not as if she was watching them much during the day. He was in the home until 3pm . He works 12 Hr shifts/ maybe 3 on 4 off , 4 on 3 off. They go to bed at 8 or so. I used to babysit over night at that age. There is also a Hank Croslin living on Taylor St. possibly her dad ( she is listed as a relative on his search info). We really don't know that much about her, she may be the baby of the family and lots of experience watching neices/nephews.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on February 13, 2009, 03:04:26 PM
Might be news or news conference soon - some activity by the mics.  Sure would like a news conference we found her! 
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kiwi on February 13, 2009, 03:07:36 PM
Good afternoon all.  Just a thought on the back screen door.  Most have strong springs that retract the door. If you intended on kidnapping a specific child and felt the door spring close hard.  You would use what they were using to keep the door open. Like a brick. To me, who ever took the child through that door wouldn't want the screen door to help awaken the child.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A's Fever on February 13, 2009, 03:08:22 PM
Just want to add a couple of things about the 17 year old gf:

This is an unimaginable level of responsibility for a 17 year old girl.  Though the father probably didn't think of his girlfriend as a kid, she is still a kid.  And taking care of a couple of little ones from 3 in the afternoon until 3 in the morning . . . . . what a lonely life for a teenager.  Makes me wonder if drugs or alcohol is involved, which would explain exceptionally heavy sleeping.  Or . . . if is possible that she was having company or going out herself in the night . . .
Just speculation, of course.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 13, 2009, 03:09:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehr75UQraR4&feature=channel

watch the one cop in the background.his body language says something about what he is thinking...lol. and of course..GA is asking for donations...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 13, 2009, 03:10:02 PM
Might be news or news conference soon - some activity by the mics.  Sure would like a news conference we found her! 
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

adding to your post,hope you don't mind,would like to see the word alive to follow...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anninflorida on February 13, 2009, 03:17:21 PM
Wouldn't the bio mom have taken both of her children if she was involved???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 03:19:00 PM
Wouldn't the bio mom have taken both of her children if she was involved???

Would you REALLY want a 3 yr old BOY???? ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Just kidding


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on February 13, 2009, 03:19:31 PM
Might be news or news conference soon - some activity by the mics.  Sure would like a news conference we found her! 
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

adding to your post,hope you don't mind,would like to see the word alive to follow...
Yes - ALIVE !!!!!!!!!   Maybe there is 4pm newscasts in Florida?  They are setting up, but not hearing anything on national news, so probably just local news.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 03:29:45 PM
There is supposed to be a press conference at 4pm ET

Putnam County deputies working to find missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings are holding a press conference at 4 p.m.  Watch it LIVE on News 13.

http://www.cfnews13.com/


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on February 13, 2009, 03:35:12 PM
Thanks Klaas!!!!!!  Knew they were up to something!
OT - will you post the screen capture and those links on the Kesse thread -http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=343.new#new
I suck at pictures - they end up three miles wide!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 03:35:51 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/

1 hr special report on Haleigh at 4 pm


Think they have this each day.

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 03:44:15 PM
Thanks Klaas!!!!!!  Knew they were up to something!
OT - will you post the screen capture and those links on the Kesse thread -http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=343.new#new
I suck at pictures - they end up three miles wide!


Yeah, I already copied over to the Kesse thread  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 03:44:42 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/

1 hr special report on Haleigh at 4 pm


Think they have this each day.

OS


Thanks OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 13, 2009, 03:51:04 PM
Good afternoon all.  Just a thought on the back screen door.  Most have strong springs that retract the door. If you intended on kidnapping a specific child and felt the door spring close hard.  You would use what they were using to keep the door open. Like a brick. To me, who ever took the child through that door wouldn't want the screen door to help awaken the child.

I was laying in bed thinking this very same thing last night.  They propped it open knowing that they'd be carrying a 5 year old child and it would be hard to open it while holding her.  For that reason, the door propping makes sense if that tidbit is, in fact, true.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 03:53:06 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/

1 hr special report on Haleigh at 4 pm


Think they have this each day.

OS


Thanks OS

Your Welcome


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 13, 2009, 04:05:26 PM
Items of interest found...will not disclose what they were.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 13, 2009, 04:08:53 PM
Items of interest found...will not disclose what they were.

Wow.  I hope these items indicate that she is alive. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bikerbev on February 13, 2009, 04:14:02 PM
They found items of interest and want to put divers back into the river...that doesn't sound good!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 13, 2009, 04:14:28 PM
Items of interest found...will not disclose what they were.

Wow.  I hope these items indicate that she is alive. 

I do as well, I did not hear any reporters ask that question though. I could have missed it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 13, 2009, 04:15:12 PM
They found items of interest and want to put divers back into the river...that doesn't sound good!

Thank you. I did not hear that part.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 13, 2009, 04:17:59 PM
They found items of interest and want to put divers back into the river...that doesn't sound good!

Thank you. I did not hear that part.

Oh, no.  I didn't hear that, either.     ::MonkeyNoNo::

Still praying.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 04:18:40 PM
They found items of interest and want to put divers back into the river...that doesn't sound good!

Thank you. I did not hear that part.

I am watching/listening to the 4:00 one-hour "special" on http://www.firstcoastnews.com/

They said they are going to re-employ divers into the river. I read that a few days ago, the dogs only followed her scent to the river, but they could not be certain how old that scent was, like she could have walked down there some time ago.

But this is not feeling right.

I so hope they find Haleigh alive!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bikerbev on February 13, 2009, 04:19:32 PM
The news guy and fbi guy said it. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 13, 2009, 04:26:03 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspx

Ok, this video I am watching, FDLE processing DNA evidence and investigators interviewing/re-interviewing OTHER family members. LOTS of info in this video..
Search for Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pixiecat on February 13, 2009, 04:26:52 PM
BioMom must have been one bad mom to lose custody of both the kids because Daddy is no friend of the law himself.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3303300&postcount=200

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: I suspected he might be involved with drugs.....mainly because his attitude and his reactions remind me of my brother. Also, I suspect he has some anger issues from listening to the 911 tape and the way he spoke about his GF, she seems to be afraid of him somewhat during the interviews they have had together. I'm still supicous of them both if for nothing less than raising the two babies in what seems to be a troubled enviroment......also heard he has a 9mm in the trailer.

I completely agree with you about the suspicion of anger issues.  I was really upset when I heard the way he referred to his girlfriend in one of the interviews, and he was very rage-filled when he was dealing with the 911 operators (although, I can't really judge the reaction of someone during the time when their daughter has just gone missing).  I really didn't like the way he spoke about his girlfriend.  It seemed abusive to me.  There is just something really strange about this family situation. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 13, 2009, 04:27:27 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspx

Ok, this video I am watching, FDLE processing DNA evidence and investigators interviewing/re-interviewing OTHER family members. LOTS of info in this video..
Search for Haleigh Friday.

self edit to include "Friday".


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 13, 2009, 04:28:40 PM
BioMom must have been one bad mom to lose custody of both the kids because Daddy is no friend of the law himself.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3303300&postcount=200

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: I suspected he might be involved with drugs.....mainly because his attitude and his reactions remind me of my brother. Also, I suspect he has some anger issues from listening to the 911 tape and the way he spoke about his GF, she seems to be afraid of him somewhat during the interviews they have had together. I'm still supicous of them both if for nothing less than raising the two babies in what seems to be a troubled enviroment......also heard he has a 9mm in the trailer.

I completely agree with you about the suspicion of anger issues.  I was really upset when I heard the way he referred to his girlfriend in one of the interviews, and he was very rage-filled when he was dealing with the 911 operators (although, I can't really judge the reaction of someone during the time when their daughter has just gone missing).  I really didn't like the way he spoke about his girlfriend.  It seemed abusive to me.  There is just something really strange about this family situation. 

Could this be a situation where she is young and being abused,is afraid of him so will not speak out?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 04:30:59 PM
Tim Miller still hopeful. Apparently, 200 searchers on Friday.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/tim.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 13, 2009, 04:32:38 PM
They found items of interest and want to put divers back into the river...that doesn't sound good!

Thank you. I did not hear that part.

I am watching/listening to the 4:00 one-hour "special" on http://www.firstcoastnews.com/

They said they are going to re-employ divers into the river. I read that a few days ago, the dogs only followed her scent to the river, but they could not be certain how old that scent was, like she could have walked down there some time ago.

But this is not feeling right.

I so hope they find Haleigh alive!

Thanks Brandi!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 04:33:47 PM
Who's Who
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg672508#msg672508

I gave the same type of credit that is given when stuff is taken from SM LOL


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 04:38:41 PM
MySpace accounts

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg672519#msg672519


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 04:40:04 PM
Who's Who
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg672508#msg672508

I gave the same type of credit that is given when stuff is taken from SM LOL

I have been compiling a who's who list here also.

Just got Chad's last name (Chad Griffis) a few minutes ago from a news article, but what are the odds of Crystal's mother having the same last name as Crystal's fiance, Chad ?

(Nancy) Marie Griffis is the maternal grandmother of Haleigh. Chad Griffis is Crystal's fiance.

Just weird to me.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on February 13, 2009, 04:44:18 PM
Who's Who
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg672508#msg672508

I gave the same type of credit that is given when stuff is taken from SM LOL
You really over did that font size, keep it real - try a size 4!  LOL


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 13, 2009, 04:44:50 PM
Who's Who
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg672508#msg672508

I gave the same type of credit that is given when stuff is taken from SM LOL

I have been compiling a who's who list here also.

Just got Chad's last name (Chad Griffis) a few minutes ago from a news article, but what are the odds of Crystal's mother having the same last name as Crystal's fiance, Chad ?

(Nancy) Marie Griffis is the maternal grandmother of Haleigh. Chad Griffis is Crystal's fiance.

Just weird to me.



I find that very strange too.  It's not that common of a last name.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pixiecat on February 13, 2009, 04:45:12 PM
BioMom must have been one bad mom to lose custody of both the kids because Daddy is no friend of the law himself.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3303300&postcount=200

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: I suspected he might be involved with drugs.....mainly because his attitude and his reactions remind me of my brother. Also, I suspect he has some anger issues from listening to the 911 tape and the way he spoke about his GF, she seems to be afraid of him somewhat during the interviews they have had together. I'm still supicous of them both if for nothing less than raising the two babies in what seems to be a troubled enviroment......also heard he has a 9mm in the trailer.

I completely agree with you about the suspicion of anger issues.  I was really upset when I heard the way he referred to his girlfriend in one of the interviews, and he was very rage-filled when he was dealing with the 911 operators (although, I can't really judge the reaction of someone during the time when their daughter has just gone missing).  I really didn't like the way he spoke about his girlfriend.  It seemed abusive to me.  There is just something really strange about this family situation. 

Could this be a situation where she is young and being abused,is afraid of him so will not speak out?

This could be the case.  Do we know why he and the children's mother broke up?  Was there any abuse in that relationship?  We do know that there were some issues with drugs. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 04:53:22 PM
On the one-hour special being broadcast live now, they do not cut away for commercials. One of the anchors just said, "I don't trust the girlfriend."

They should be told that the Internet watchers can hear them

Btw... I don't trust the girlfriend either.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 04:56:32 PM
Who's Who
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg672508#msg672508

I gave the same type of credit that is given when stuff is taken from SM LOL

I have been compiling a who's who list here also.

Just got Chad's last name (Chad Griffis) a few minutes ago from a news article, but what are the odds of Crystal's mother having the same last name as Crystal's fiance, Chad ?

(Nancy) Marie Griffis is the maternal grandmother of Haleigh. Chad Griffis is Crystal's fiance.

Just weird to me.


I had posted Chad's picture and last name earlier today in the picture thread.  Just added grandma Neves.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Puzzler on February 13, 2009, 04:59:33 PM
Maybe LP will know something about the items of interest and report it on NG tonight.
Maybe that's why LP is there...to be able to report on NG.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 05:02:43 PM
Sorry if duplicate, didn't go back

Sheriff's Office: 'Items of Interest Found' in Search for Haleigh

 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131262&catid=3)
Posted By: Dave Wax     Created: 2/13/2009 4:17:51 PM    Updated: 2/13/2009 4:35:30 PM

SATSUMA, FL -- Captain Steve Rose with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office gave reporters the latest update on the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, missing since early Tuesday.

Rose said today was a "very productive day" in the search and that searchers had found several items of interest.

He would not say any more about what has been found, but said teams are still searching homes, the woods, and waterways near Haleigh's home with all their resources.

Rose added that the investigation is still being treated as an abduction, and that it's an abduction if she was taken from her home, or if she left her home and was picked up by someone else later.

Searchers are still "hopeful" that she is still alive, and are continuing to interview many people, including family members.

The group heading up the volunteer efforts, EquuSearch, has called off their efforts for the day, but Capt. Rose said they will be back tomorrow and expect to have even more volunteers helping them.

CLICK HERE to see our special section filled with coverage of the search for Haleigh Cummings.


©2009 First Coast News. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, rewritten, or redistributed.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 05:05:51 PM
Who's Who
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg672508#msg672508

I gave the same type of credit that is given when stuff is taken from SM LOL

I have been compiling a who's who list here also.

Just got Chad's last name (Chad Griffis) a few minutes ago from a news article, but what are the odds of Crystal's mother having the same last name as Crystal's fiance, Chad ?

(Nancy) Marie Griffis is the maternal grandmother of Haleigh. Chad Griffis is Crystal's fiance.

Just weird to me.


I had posted Chad's picture and last name earlier today in the picture thread.  Just added grandma Neves.

Chloe 9 months Jan.15, daughter of Crystal, sister of Haleigh

Ronald Junior Cummings
(aka butterbean) 3, brother of Haleigh. Crystal's and Ronald's son. (Birthday Feb 15, will be 4.)

Katrina Belcher, Haleigh's aunt

Johnny Sheffield
, maternal grandfather

Andrew Sheffield
, uncle of Crystal Sheffield

Also I believe there is an "Aunt Dana" (Crystal's aunt) ?


Just a few I have gathered that you might not have, Today.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 05:08:52 PM
http://www.wpbf.com/news/18709184/detail.html

No New Clues Found In Missing Girl Search
Family Holds Onto Hope At Vigils

POSTED: 12:43 pm EST February 13, 2009
UPDATED: 12:47 pm EST February 13, 2009

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Despite an intense search of a five-mile area around the home of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings using helicopters, boats and ground teams on Thursday, investigators found no new clues in the search for the Putnam County girl.

Haleigh's father, Johnny Sheffield, wears a button at a recent vigil.

her dad is ronnie cummings isnt he? why are they all so sloppy in what they put out there, its so annoying.

Johnny Sheffield is Crystal's father, the maternal grandfather of Haleigh.

Sorry if this has been answered, I am still catching up.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 05:11:46 PM
Who's Who
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg672508#msg672508

I gave the same type of credit that is given when stuff is taken from SM LOL

I have been compiling a who's who list here also.

Just got Chad's last name (Chad Griffis) a few minutes ago from a news article, but what are the odds of Crystal's mother having the same last name as Crystal's fiance, Chad ?

(Nancy) Marie Griffis is the maternal grandmother of Haleigh. Chad Griffis is Crystal's fiance.

Just weird to me.


I had posted Chad's picture and last name earlier today in the picture thread.  Just added grandma Neves.

Chloe 9 months Jan.15, daughter of Crystal, sister of Haleigh

Ronald Junior Cummings
(aka butterbean) 3, brother of Haleigh. Crystal's and Ronald's son. (Birthday Feb 15, will be 4.)

Katrina Belcher, Haleigh's aunt

Johnny Sheffield
, maternal grandfather

Andrew Sheffield
, uncle of Crystal Sheffield

Also I believe there is an "Aunt Dana" (Crystal's aunt) ?


Just a few I have gathered that you might not have, Today.

Maybe Klaas can combine so everything is in one place.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 05:16:47 PM
MySpace accounts

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg672519#msg672519

Thanks Today - I changed the title of the thread to indicate Websites such as Myspace links would be included. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 05:19:50 PM
Police re interviewing Haleigh family

Johnny Sheffield being interviewed by HLN

HeadLine news


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 05:21:43 PM
"If people would just get out, look in your back yards, get out your flashlight, look under your trailer, in your shed, look everywhere you can- just help us out," Sheffield said. "We don't want a tragic ending like the Caylee Anthony story. She's our Haleigh bug - we want her home."

Approximately an hour later, a second vigil took place just a short distance down the road.

The father's side of the family and friends gathered under a tent loaned by Watts Funeral Home, while a television projected a local news station in the background.

<snipped>
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/13/news/news02.txt


I am really curious why the two parents would have separate vigils!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 05:22:33 PM
Johnny is being interviewed by HeadLine news not the police.

Klaas maybe make correction to my post.  I'd hate to start a rumor.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 05:24:05 PM
"If people would just get out, look in your back yards, get out your flashlight, look under your trailer, in your shed, look everywhere you can- just help us out," Sheffield said. "We don't want a tragic ending like the Caylee Anthony story. She's our Haleigh bug - we want her home."

Approximately an hour later, a second vigil took place just a short distance down the road.

The father's side of the family and friends gathered under a tent loaned by Watts Funeral Home, while a television projected a local news station in the background.

<snipped>
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/13/news/news02.txt


I am really curious why the two parents would have separate vigils!

It sounds like the parents are very bitter toward each other.  Having been thru a nasty divorce I can see this happening.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 05:29:57 PM
"If people would just get out, look in your back yards, get out your flashlight, look under your trailer, in your shed, look everywhere you can- just help us out," Sheffield said. "We don't want a tragic ending like the Caylee Anthony story. She's our Haleigh bug - we want her home."

Approximately an hour later, a second vigil took place just a short distance down the road.

The father's side of the family and friends gathered under a tent loaned by Watts Funeral Home, while a television projected a local news station in the background.

<snipped>
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/13/news/news02.txt


I am really curious why the two parents would have separate vigils!

It sounds like the parents are very bitter toward each other.  Having been thru a nasty divorce I can see this happening.

Exactly.  I actually see it as normal behaviour given the circumstances of the divorce and custody battle. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 05:34:06 PM
"If people would just get out, look in your back yards, get out your flashlight, look under your trailer, in your shed, look everywhere you can- just help us out," Sheffield said. "We don't want a tragic ending like the Caylee Anthony story. She's our Haleigh bug - we want her home."

Approximately an hour later, a second vigil took place just a short distance down the road.

The father's side of the family and friends gathered under a tent loaned by Watts Funeral Home, while a television projected a local news station in the background.

<snipped>
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/13/news/news02.txt


I am really curious why the two parents would have separate vigils!

It sounds like the parents are very bitter toward each other.  Having been thru a nasty divorce I can see this happening.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45007511.jpg)

Looks like to me they could "come together" for the sake of Haleigh. This is Crystal with her hand on Ronald, trying to comfort him.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 13, 2009, 05:37:25 PM
"If people would just get out, look in your back yards, get out your flashlight, look under your trailer, in your shed, look everywhere you can- just help us out," Sheffield said. "We don't want a tragic ending like the Caylee Anthony story. She's our Haleigh bug - we want her home."

Approximately an hour later, a second vigil took place just a short distance down the road.

The father's side of the family and friends gathered under a tent loaned by Watts Funeral Home, while a television projected a local news station in the background.

<snipped>
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/13/news/news02.txt


I am really curious why the two parents would have separate vigils!


HMMMM do they have a murdering daughter too???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mizjay on February 13, 2009, 05:45:12 PM
Who's Who
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg672508#msg672508

I gave the same type of credit that is given when stuff is taken from SM LOL

I have been compiling a who's who list here also.

Just got Chad's last name (Chad Griffis) a few minutes ago from a news article, but what are the odds of Crystal's mother having the same last name as Crystal's fiance, Chad ?

(Nancy) Marie Griffis is the maternal grandmother of Haleigh. Chad Griffis is Crystal's fiance.

Just weird to me.



 Good afternoon all

 The reports are so confusing. On the first page of this thread one of the news writeups said Haleigh was in bed with a 17 yr old cousin. Misty is a cousin possibly as well as gf and with the above info I hope that's not the faint banjo strummin' fro Deliverance I hear.

No matter who's who I want her found, glad TES is there.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 05:53:53 PM
Who's Who
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg672508#msg672508

I gave the same type of credit that is given when stuff is taken from SM LOL

I have been compiling a who's who list here also.

Just got Chad's last name (Chad Griffis) a few minutes ago from a news article, but what are the odds of Crystal's mother having the same last name as Crystal's fiance, Chad ?

(Nancy) Marie Griffis is the maternal grandmother of Haleigh. Chad Griffis is Crystal's fiance.

Just weird to me.



 Good afternoon all

 The reports are so confusing. On the first page of this thread one of the news writeups said Haleigh was in bed with a 17 yr old cousin. Misty is a cousin possibly as well as gf and with the above info I hope that's not the faint banjo strummin' fro Deliverance I hear.

No matter who's who I want her found, glad TES is there.

Hi mizjay.

I am so glad TES is there also.

And reports are confusing. I don't think reporters check out their sources very well before reporting. Probably so they can get the news "out there" first. Very sad.

But figuring out the facts and who's who is important in order to find out what happened to her, where she is. IMO.

I so very much want them to find her NOW! I hate for another day to go by.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 05:58:31 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-missing-florida-girl-haleigh-021309,0,5976597.story

SATSUMA - UPDATE: 4:53 a.m.Searchers recovered "items of interest" today as they scoured rural Putnam County for signs of missing Haleigh Cummings, Capt. Steve Rose of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said during an afternoon press briefing. He confirmed that the items had been found, but declined to elaborate further.

"I can't go into any further detail as to what those objects are," he said.

Rose said that investigators are also continuing to reinterview Haleigh's family. He said that those interviews were not triggered by the items' discovery, and that investigators have not told the family what those items are.

"We are starting from square one just to make sure there isn't anything we missed," he said.

Law enforcement officers were assisted today by more than 200 volunteers with members of Texas EquuSearch.

"We had a very productive day," Rose said, adding that EquuSearch will resume its efforts tomorrow.

UPDATE: 11:15 a.m.

Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy just wrapped up a news briefing about the search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

"Listen, we have actively investigated and pursued over 350 leads that have come in to date. So we are not just going to limit this search to Putnam County. We'll go where ever it takes us."

He would not address media reports about inconsistencies in statements given by the 17-year-old girlfriend who reported Haleigh missing. She told investigators she was sleeping in the same bed as Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother before Haleigh was discovered missing. But Misty Croslin told reporters Thursday she was sleeping in her own bed before discovering Haleigh was gone.

Hardy also said searchers are expanding the area of the search, but he would give details. About 50 law enforcement officers, 100 volunteers and 20 agents with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement are in Putnam County and helping with the investigation and search.

Hardy said evidence has been sent to the FDLE crime lab in Jacksonville for testing but he would not say what is being tested.

He also said all 44 registered sex offenders in the nearby area have been interviewed and their residences searched.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mizjay on February 13, 2009, 06:00:54 PM
Brandi   I know in the adrenelin packed rush to get information things can be all over the board. Also in the area where I grew up ( Tn.) often families are interrelated, marriages of step siblings, "pretend cousins", "play mamas", cousin marriage. It will eventually be firmer who's who in this tragedy if it goes on long enough. I so hope it has a miraculous conclusion.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 13, 2009, 06:06:06 PM
Do you have a picture of the mobile home where they lived? It used to be a rule that all doors opened out. Was this a double wide or single or one pulled by a truck?  The brink holding a door open does not set well with me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 06:06:23 PM
Brandi   I know in the adrenelin packed rush to get information things can be all over the board. Also in the area where I grew up ( Tn.) often families are interrelated, marriages of step siblings, "pretend cousins", "play mamas", cousin marriage. It will eventually be firmer who's who in this tragedy if it goes on long enough. I so hope it has a miraculous conclusion.

Me too. I hope it doesn't "go on long enough."

Adrenelin rush and good reporting should have nothing to do with each other, IMO. I really think that good reporting is a thing of the past. And in this Information Age (we still in that?) it should be easier than ever to report well.

But alas, I think getting that story out first, whether it is accurate or not, is the priority. Makes more money for the agency, I suppose. All about money.

That's how I see it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 06:07:07 PM
Do you have a picture of the mobile home where they lived? It used to be a rule that all doors opened out. Was this a double wide or single or one pulled by a truck?  The brink holding a door open does not set well with me.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 13, 2009, 06:13:35 PM
does misty have the use of a car while ronnies at work?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 13, 2009, 06:28:18 PM
Do you have a picture of the mobile home where they lived? It used to be a rule that all doors opened out. Was this a double wide or single or one pulled by a truck?  The brink holding a door open does not set well with me.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)

I wonder if anyone has bothered to remove some of the skirting and look under the trailer as well as neighbors trailers as well... just a thought.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 13, 2009, 06:34:25 PM
does misty have the use of a car while ronnies at work?
Does she have a Drivers License?
I am so bothered that a 17 yr old is Mommy - it just Arrrr - that she is held responsible. Irregardless if she came from a home with younger siblings and raised them etc.. or that she is Mommy like or whatever ...
I still cannot wrap my brain around it. That a 24/25 yr old Man divorced has a 17 yr old Gf living in his home - and the main caretaker of his children.
Its My opinion Only -
My Daughter is 18 and I would not even believe I could leave my house for a weekend that she would remember to feed my furbabies .. just saying
But then My Daughter goes to school and has a part time job and friends ..she is not kept in a trailer in the middle of nowhere raising another mans children.

GAH





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 06:35:16 PM
Do you have a picture of the mobile home where they lived? It used to be a rule that all doors opened out. Was this a double wide or single or one pulled by a truck?  The brink holding a door open does not set well with me.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)

Thanks Brandi!

IBE it's a double wide


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 13, 2009, 06:36:05 PM
OK now hear it's a cinder block... that makes more sense. Do you have a picture of the back door?? OK it's a double wide... looks like a sliding door in the front where the porch is.

I think by law, trailer doors have to open out if not sliding. I live in a trailer (anything before HUD in about 1985 is called a trailer) mobile home after that unless it's 5th wheel. Just for you trivia buffs.

the newer double wides we have here have doors made of vinyl and some are of steel.

You could prop open a door for cross ventilation if no AC but usually with these new ones the back door is down the hall with a small hall with washer/dryer leading to the back door.

The pict I see here shows a screen in porch. I am taking for granted that is the front of the home???

You'd only prop a door like a mobile home back door if you needed air, if you were expecting someone or someone came in and used the cinder block to hold the door open as they used both their hands to carried the girl out.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 13, 2009, 06:38:52 PM
Do you have a picture of the mobile home where they lived? It used to be a rule that all doors opened out. Was this a double wide or single or one pulled by a truck?  The brink holding a door open does not set well with me.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)

Thanks Brandi!

IBE it's a double wide

Thanks, thinking this is the front porch and front door. Any more picts?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 06:44:12 PM
OK now hear it's a cinder block... that makes more sense. Do you have a picture of the back door?? OK it's a double wide... looks like a sliding door in the front where the porch is.

I think by law, trailer doors have to open out if not sliding. I live in a trailer (anything before HUD in about 1985 is called a trailer) mobile home after that unless it's 5th wheel. Just for you trivia buffs.

the newer double wides we have here have doors made of vinyl and some are of steel.

You could prop open a door for cross ventilation if no AC but usually with these new ones the back door is down the hall with a small hall with washer/dryer leading to the back door.

The pict I see here shows a screen in porch. I am taking for granted that is the front of the home???

You'd only prop a door like a mobile home back door if you needed air, if you were expecting someone or someone came in and used the cinder block to hold the door open as they used both their hands to carried the girl out.





IBE - not sure if we have a good view of the back door.  I believe these are pictures of the back:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/home1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/home2.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 06:44:39 PM
Aerial view.  Report earlier said they could not see the back of trailer.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 06:45:23 PM
IBE - I think I'm wrong, think that's the front again.  I'll keep looking.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Sdb on February 13, 2009, 06:48:12 PM
Ok, I'm ready to put my two cents in. I have lots of family like this in a couple of different states. They marry, divorce and have so many kids I can't keep track. Beat each other up, smoke pot, get arrested from time to time. But they stick together, go to work everyday, feed their kids and love their babies. So, none of that is bothering me. None of that makes them child killers. I think either the GF or the father don't want to admit maybe unlocking that back door or not having checked to make sure it was locked. I have a little 4 year old nephew we nicknamed Houdini because he can escape anything and loves to sneak out. Maybe it does get unlocked during the day. Someone forgot to check. I also wonder if there weren't some drugs they had to get rid of before the cops got there. It would make them seem suspicious but wouldn't have anything to do with Haleigh missing. The 911 call seemed genuine.
I sure pray she's safe. God we need a happy ending to one of these stories.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 13, 2009, 06:48:12 PM
Do you have a picture of the mobile home where they lived? It used to be a rule that all doors opened out. Was this a double wide or single or one pulled by a truck?  The brink holding a door open does not set well with me.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)

I wonder if anyone has bothered to remove some of the skirting and look under the trailer as well as neighbors trailers as well... just a thought.

Hope so! Very easy for a young person to crawl under there. The skirting moves up and pops out.  In CA two access sort of doors to underneath is a law. These are usually by the  sewer and utility lines.

You can crawl under there and with a small survival-like shovel dig and bury things... I read that someone did that somewhere with bodies.

When a dog or cat gets out that's the first place we look.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 13, 2009, 06:58:52 PM
Aerial view.  Report earlier said they could not see the back of trailer.

OK see where the double windows are in the back... OK other picts show the "up side", the front side and this aerial shows the back and down side

I think the door is down from the double windows or the place has two doors, back and front that open into the porch

but there is no platform with stairs, therefore maybe both back and front doors open into the porch. Notice they have a big, big outdoor light on the downside from the porch. We had on near a home in Indiana on 1/2 acre of lot and you can't really not be seen!

Maybe on the new ones all the exit doors open in or slide. If I weren't ill I'd go for a walk.. Will try to trace the model on line.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 07:00:52 PM
Am trying to catch up reading in here, sorry if this has already been discussed.  There is more inconsistencies than just the gf's 3+ versions of where Haleigh was sleeping that night: 

Haleigh's father earlier on said that his gf on awakening and finding Haleigh gone had called him, that he was just pulling into the driveway, and he told her to call 911.  Yet on Greta's show he says:

CUMMINGS: I came in the front door. I pulled into the driveway. She was standing at the front door, and I wanted to know what she was doing up, first, at that time of night. Usually, she is in bed asleep.

And she told me that she just got up to use the bathroom, and that she saw that Haleigh was not in her bed. She went to find her, and the back door was wide open, and she was nowhere to be found. She was gone.


Sooooooo Haleigh's papa, which is it?  You were on the phone with her or you walked in and talked with her? 

Not only that, but the gf has said in her 3+ versions of the story, that she got up and USED the bathroom and afterward THEN found Haleigh gone.  She also has said that she noticed BEFORE she used the bathroom she saw the kitchen light on and ran back to the bedrooms and found Haleigh gone.  Really, which is it gf? 

Can't either of them pick a story and stick to it FGS? 

The funny thing about the truth... it never changes.  This is what happened, and then.. and then.. Ask me in five minutes, five hours, five years, and I'll tell you again - this is what happened, and then.. and then. 

For the love of God, that poor little girl. 


 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 07:02:48 PM
Why do they try and compare Haleigh to Caylee?  I'd say Haleigh's case is much more similar to Jessica Marie Lunsford (with hopefully a better outcome).


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: oldfart on February 13, 2009, 07:04:23 PM
Aerial view.  Report earlier said they could not see the back of trailer.

:smt006 Monkeys

thanks Today for the Aerial view..    someone has opened up the skirting... which is a good thing.

I'm betting the back door has steps  like the front door and you can see how a block could hold the screen door open.

40 years ago... my back door to the tralier open out... not sure on a modern one though.

Just praying for Haleigh being alive... 




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 07:07:03 PM
IBE - I think I'm wrong, think that's the front again.  I'll keep looking.

Yes, that is the front. You can see a small part of the car parked in it.

I heard yesterday that the reporters said they were given quite a bit of access to the house by LE .. but that they could not get to the back of it, nor even see the back door partially because of crime scene tape.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Sdb on February 13, 2009, 07:07:42 PM
Search on for missing
sexual predator
Last Edited: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:36 PM EST
Created On: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:35 PM EST

- The Marion County Sheriffs office is asking for he publics help in finding a missing man who happens to be a registered sexual predator.

Authorities said Chad Reynolds, 25, was last seen on February 1 in the Ocklawaha area. He reportedly borrowed a vehicle from a friend then called later to say he had broken down near a Wal-Mart in the Villages near the Marion/Lake County line. The vehicle was later found south of Marion County.

Reynolds is still missing and has not contacted his family. A warrant has been issued for Reynolds for violation of his probation.

Anyone with information regarding Reynolds whereabouts is asked to call the Marion County Sheriffs Office at 732-9111 or Crime Stoppers at 368-STOP.

Anyone knows how close this is?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Sdb on February 13, 2009, 07:08:46 PM
Sorry, here's the link:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/021309predator_missing


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 07:12:32 PM
If you go to Putnam County Fl. court records.  Do a search on cummings% scroll down to Ronald Lemyles Cummings..there is a record a long court battle that includes violence toward children, domestic violence, parenting classes,  children removed from home and on Feb. 9th 2009 there is a CONTEMPT OF COURT filed.  So Feb. 10th on the heals of the "contempt of court" the daughter is missing. Could this be a coincidence?

Also Fox news had the police report and Ronald Cummings called his girlfriend a "DUMB BIT...H" to the police.

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 

And this is the parent the court had earlier on picked for these children as being the better parent?  Kind of makes me wonder what the heck is the true story with the bio mom then! 

Good find, supersleuth!  The 'contempt of court' charges the day before Haleigh went missing!!  To me, that's big!  Back to reading and catching up, hoping to hear more news about this and how it may relate. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 13, 2009, 07:14:38 PM
Why do they try and compare Haleigh to Caylee?  I'd say Haleigh's case is much more similar to Jessica Marie Lunsford (with hopefully a better outcome).

Because George planted himself right in the center of it!  As well as KFers and LP... ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 07:15:21 PM
Why do they try and compare Haleigh to Caylee?  I'd say Haleigh's case is much more similar to Jessica Marie Lunsford (with hopefully a better outcome).

Klaas,

I agree completely.

Also, didn't Father mentioned a ramp out back door.

I also thought Mother said she was called at 3:49 ish, Johnny her father said Crystal called him at 5 ish, and when ask when Crystal got the call, he said 5 ish.. I am using ish cause

I can't remember exact time. This was on headline news 5 to 6 pm est.

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Sdb on February 13, 2009, 07:17:17 PM
Ok, I'll shut up until I've read more.  :oops:


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 13, 2009, 07:24:17 PM
Aerial view.  Report earlier said they could not see the back of trailer.


Looks like a couple of sections of the underpinning are missing on the end where someone could crawl under the home.

I think the gf was afraid she would get in trouble at first and was trying to say whatever she thought would make herself appear more responsible.  She is likely to calm down and get her story straight.  Doesn't mean she had anything to do with making Haleigh disappear.  Just a scared kid.

There is a trailer park near where I live and although some of the residents may not be model citizens, they don't harm their children any more than anybody else.  Kids all appear healthy and well cared for and thriving.  And many of the residents actually are model citizens so appearances can be deceiving.  And seems so many young have had brush with legal problems usually related to drugs/pot/traffic problems.

At least this young man was supporting his children unlike some I have encountered in life.

I wonder if Haleigh ever was known to sleep walk or if that could be side effect of any meds she was taking.  Just hoping . . . . . .


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 13, 2009, 07:24:54 PM
am getting close but this doesn't show a floor  plan or back door

http://www.mhvillage.com/Listings/Listing.php?key=341454 (http://www.mhvillage.com/Listings/Listing.php?key=341454)

Oh gads, a ramp! easy to walk up and back down with arms full


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: summermonkey on February 13, 2009, 07:32:45 PM
I HOPE little Hayleigh's case is noncustodial parent abduction, but her bio mom seems very sincere in her interviews....that's ALWAYS my first hope when a child goes missing....although, sadly, it usually doesn't turn out that way....

so, it's unlike Caylee's case......Caylee was NEVER missing.....she falls in the pathetic category of being murdered and thrown away by her mother....

I hope it's not like little Jessica......her fate still haunts me, they all do....and why are there so many missing children....Jane Valez said 50,000 a YEAR....how could that number be true.....

george is like a caricature .....this new career of his makes me sick...

Hi all Monkeys...this might be very first post.....(maybe 2nd)  hope you don't mind me just jumping in here....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 07:34:24 PM
Search on for missing
sexual predator
Last Edited: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:36 PM EST
Created On: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:35 PM EST

- The Marion County Sheriffs office is asking for he publics help in finding a missing man who happens to be a registered sexual predator.

Authorities said Chad Reynolds, 25, was last seen on February 1 in the Ocklawaha area. He reportedly borrowed a vehicle from a friend then called later to say he had broken down near a Wal-Mart in the Villages near the Marion/Lake County line. The vehicle was later found south of Marion County.

Reynolds is still missing and has not contacted his family. A warrant has been issued for Reynolds for violation of his probation.

Anyone with information regarding Reynolds whereabouts is asked to call the Marion County Sheriffs Office at 732-9111 or Crime Stoppers at 368-STOP.

Anyone knows how close this is?

Last seen in the Ocklawaha which is approx 74 miles southwest of Satsuma.


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Satsuma.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 07:35:27 PM
I HOPE little Hayleigh's case is noncustodial parent abduction, but her bio mom seems very sincere in her interviews....that's ALWAYS my first hope when a child goes missing....although, sadly, it usually doesn't turn out that way....

so, it's unlike Caylee's case......Caylee was NEVER missing.....she falls in the pathetic category of being murdered and thrown away by her mother....

I hope it's not like little Jessica......her fate still haunts me, they all do....and why are there so many missing children....Jane Valez said 50,000 a YEAR....how could that number be true.....

george is like a caricature .....this new career of his makes me sick...

Hi all Monkeys...this might be very first post.....(maybe 2nd)  hope you don't mind me just jumping in here....


Welcome SummerMonkey - you are right, the Haleigh case is not at all like the Caylee case.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 07:36:02 PM
am getting close but this doesn't show a floor  plan or back door

http://www.mhvillage.com/Listings/Listing.php?key=341454 (http://www.mhvillage.com/Listings/Listing.php?key=341454)

Oh gads, a ramp! easy to walk up and back down with arms full

IBE - now that you mention it I think the GF mentioned RAMP


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 07:37:22 PM
Aerial view.  Report earlier said they could not see the back of trailer.

OK see where the double windows are in the back... OK other picts show the "up side", the front side and this aerial shows the back and down side

I think the door is down from the double windows or the place has two doors, back and front that open into the porch

but there is no platform with stairs, therefore maybe both back and front doors open into the porch. Notice they have a big, big outdoor light on the downside from the porch. We had on near a home in Indiana on 1/2 acre of lot and you can't really not be seen!

Maybe on the new ones all the exit doors open in or slide. If I weren't ill I'd go for a walk.. Will try to trace the model on line.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/areial.gif)

Can't tell if B is a window or side door. Probably a window.

A is my guestimate of the back door only.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 07:43:26 PM
I HOPE little Hayleigh's case is noncustodial parent abduction, but her bio mom seems very sincere in her interviews....that's ALWAYS my first hope when a child goes missing....although, sadly, it usually doesn't turn out that way....

so, it's unlike Caylee's case......Caylee was NEVER missing.....she falls in the pathetic category of being murdered and thrown away by her mother....

I hope it's not like little Jessica......her fate still haunts me, they all do....and why are there so many missing children....Jane Valez said 50,000 a YEAR....how could that number be true.....

george is like a caricature .....this new career of his makes me sick...

Hi all Monkeys...this might be very first post.....(maybe 2nd)  hope you don't mind me just jumping in here....


Welcome SummerMonkey - you are right, the Haleigh case is not at all like the Caylee case.

Agreed. But you gotta admit, their names rhyme.

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 13, 2009, 07:48:21 PM
If you go to Putnam County Fl. court records.  Do a search on cummings% scroll down to Ronald Lemyles Cummings..there is a record a long court battle that includes violence toward children, domestic violence, parenting classes,  children removed from home and on Feb. 9th 2009 there is a CONTEMPT OF COURT filed.  So Feb. 10th on the heals of the "contempt of court" the daughter is missing. Could this be a coincidence?

Also Fox news had the police report and Ronald Cummings called his girlfriend a "DUMB BIT...H" to the police.

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 

And this is the parent the court had earlier on picked for these children as being the better parent?  Kind of makes me wonder what the heck is the true story with the bio mom then! 

Good find, supersleuth!  The 'contempt of court' charges the day before Haleigh went missing!!  To me, that's big!  Back to reading and catching up, hoping to hear more news about this and how it may relate. 



Is this the same person as this father?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 07:48:58 PM
Ok now I am confused.

Both father and gf said that sometimes they put vacuum out the back door to use on car, BUT there is no place in back or side to place car for vacuuming that I can see.

Only clearing is in front. And I just don't see a ramp..might be there I just can't see it.

Maybe I am just on case overload..

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 07:49:34 PM
Search on for missing
sexual predator
Last Edited: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:36 PM EST
Created On: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:35 PM EST

- The Marion County Sheriffs office is asking for he publics help in finding a missing man who happens to be a registered sexual predator.

Authorities said Chad Reynolds, 25, was last seen on February 1 in the Ocklawaha area. He reportedly borrowed a vehicle from a friend then called later to say he had broken down near a Wal-Mart in the Villages near the Marion/Lake County line. The vehicle was later found south of Marion County.

Reynolds is still missing and has not contacted his family. A warrant has been issued for Reynolds for violation of his probation.

Anyone with information regarding Reynolds whereabouts is asked to call the Marion County Sheriffs Office at 732-9111 or Crime Stoppers at 368-STOP.

Anyone knows how close this is?

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 13, 2009, 07:49:52 PM
sometimes there is a dryer, washer in the hallway that leads from the main up and down hallway, if I am making sense. Could someone tell from the placement of required sewer vents on top of the roof to match the bath, washer/dryer and kitchen sink? I would guess there is a 2nd bath?

the father said he would sometimes wash his car back there. JVM on HLN said he had only lived there 4 mos. I think someone had a key or knew how to pick locks. Didn't the perp who buried that young girl alive pick the lock?  IMO letter A is the back door.

Are there alligators back by the river?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 07:52:29 PM
Ok now I am confused.

Both father and gf said that sometimes they put vacuum out the back door to use on car, BUT there is no place in back or side to place car for vacuuming that I can see.

Only clearing is in front. And I just don't see a ramp..might be there I just can't see it.

Maybe I am just on case overload..

OS

Correction, there might be room on the side, but that is not the back..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 07:55:54 PM
I HOPE little Hayleigh's case is noncustodial parent abduction, but her bio mom seems very sincere in her interviews....that's ALWAYS my first hope when a child goes missing....although, sadly, it usually doesn't turn out that way....

so, it's unlike Caylee's case......Caylee was NEVER missing.....she falls in the pathetic category of being murdered and thrown away by her mother....

I hope it's not like little Jessica......her fate still haunts me, they all do....and why are there so many missing children....Jane Valez said 50,000 a YEAR....how could that number be true.....

george is like a caricature .....this new career of his makes me sick...

Hi all Monkeys...this might be very first post.....(maybe 2nd)  hope you don't mind me just jumping in here....


Hi summer, and welcome!  (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/wavehi.gif)

Nope, don't mind at all, that's a good way to go, just jump on in.  Your opinions and views, questions, are just as welcome as everyone else's are.   ::MonkeyWink::

I'm beginning to wonder about a non-custodial parent involvement myself.  Perhaps not the bio mom, but her fiance.  Something doesn't strike me well about him.  Too soon to tell, of course, til we get more from and about these folks.  My hinky meter is up regarding both the father's gf and now the mother's bf.  lol  Too much CSI here.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 13, 2009, 07:55:58 PM
I think both doors open to what would seem the front.  They just call one the back door because it is secondary.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: danabar on February 13, 2009, 07:58:52 PM
I thought I read or heard on the news that the family lived in a trailer park.
This doesn't look like a trailer that is in a trailer park to me.  Maybe it is.  Does anyone know how far away the nearest trailer is?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 08:00:15 PM
If you go to Putnam County Fl. court records.  Do a search on cummings% scroll down to Ronald Lemyles Cummings..there is a record a long court battle that includes violence toward children, domestic violence, parenting classes,  children removed from home and on Feb. 9th 2009 there is a CONTEMPT OF COURT filed.  So Feb. 10th on the heals of the "contempt of court" the daughter is missing. Could this be a coincidence?

Also Fox news had the police report and Ronald Cummings called his girlfriend a "DUMB BIT...H" to the police.

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 

And this is the parent the court had earlier on picked for these children as being the better parent?  Kind of makes me wonder what the heck is the true story with the bio mom then! 

Good find, supersleuth!  The 'contempt of court' charges the day before Haleigh went missing!!  To me, that's big!  Back to reading and catching up, hoping to hear more news about this and how it may relate. 



Is this the same person as this father?

I'm unable to locate that record myself but maybe I'm doing something wrong.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 13, 2009, 08:02:20 PM
I am glad Tim Miller is there.
Have they had the cadaver dogs ( I know, I am not in a positive mood ) there yet ?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 08:05:04 PM
"Back" door is a ramp and it's actually on the side.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 08:05:37 PM
OK

NG is showing pic of back of home, the ramp is on the side..

Also a satellite dish in Back..



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 08:06:37 PM

Haleigh

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Haleigh/HaleighCummings.jpg)




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 08:06:46 PM
Sorry Klaas

Posting at same time.

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 08:08:21 PM
OK

NG is showing pic of back of home, the ramp is on the side..

Also a satellite dish in Back..



Yeppers, and it looks cleared out back, as opposed to the other pic.. which may have been taken some time ago. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 08:09:12 PM
They just mentioned on NG that Crystal, Haleigh's mother has NOT taken a poly. I wonder why.

 ::MonkeyEek::SummerMonkey:
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Oh, as I type this, NG show is interviewing Ronald Cumming's (the father's) sister. Her name is .. CRYSTAL Cummings!

Can these name coincidences please stop?

I am getting so confused.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Blue Moon on February 13, 2009, 08:10:37 PM
Does anyone know when Haleigh was last seen?  Court issued contempt order, what is this about?  Maybe someone in this family (maybe Mom's family) has taken her to a safe place or just took her because of the dispute of custody.  No forced entry tells me someone had a key OR the gf decided to party with someone nearby and left that block on the back door.

Mark my word George and Cindy will start floating this case is related to Caylee by abduction. 

I know I am being mean here but I hope this isn't some abduction/copy cat from Caylee's case.  I hope KC hasn't influenced a young 17yo person to copy this.

Just heard that the mother HAS NOT taken a polygraph test.  Why not? 

Something is not right about all this.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 08:10:39 PM
I think both doors open to what would seem the front.  They just call one the back door because it is secondary.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/areial.gif)

So, B is the "back door"?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 08:13:26 PM
OK

NG is showing pic of back of home, the ramp is on the side..

Also a satellite dish in Back..



Yeppers, and it looks cleared out back, as opposed to the other pic.. which may have been taken some time ago. 


Yes, looks likes it is clear enough for a Mack Truck..

Not confused anymore thankfully.

we can even see the water hose..

OS



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 08:15:19 PM
I think both doors open to what would seem the front.  They just call one the back door because it is secondary.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/areial.gif)

So, B is the "back door"?

Yes, according to the house shown on NG.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 08:15:25 PM
I think both doors open to what would seem the front.  They just call one the back door because it is secondary.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/areial.gif)

So, B is the "back door"?

Yes, it appears to be, according to what they've just shown on NG.  That door has a ramp and the trees etc out back have been cleared away from the trailer. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 08:17:12 PM
Remember I checked sex offenders within a mile and this guy stood out.  He is a child predator:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/sexoffenders.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 08:17:31 PM
I think both doors open to what would seem the front.  They just call one the back door because it is secondary.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/areial.gif)

So, B is the "back door"?

Yes, according to the house shown on NG.



Thanks. I am listening to the NG show, but not able to watch it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 08:18:41 PM
I want LE to look in, around and under that shed, which appears to be out back. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 13, 2009, 08:21:11 PM
HLN showed the back and the ramp

http://www.mhvillage.com/Listings/Listing.php?key=115072 (http://www.mhvillage.com/Listings/Listing.php?key=115072)

This shows a 4 BR one just knock out the 2 exta BR and you probably have the floor plan.

they have a dish I wonder if they put it in when they moved in 4 mos ago or what?

even in a gated/walled MH park you can't imagine what happens around 3 am. Some come home from a party, some home from work and some go to work.. We also have those who jump the gate/wall so what use is the gate? We now have cameras on both gates. It is true... you can live in a "park" and not know many people. A great place for witness protection program.

to say on TV it is a tight community... it might be but also leads me to believe someone else is involved or a dark side of one of the family

Klaas, on the side where the big night light is? (site "B"?) Then what is over from it with all the skylights? If this happened under this light someone knew the timing of cars up and down that lane or ran very fast!  I couldn't even find a place on 1/2 acre to make out when that light was on? It was on, wasn't it? No one has mentioned it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 08:21:31 PM


(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/areial.gif)

So, B is the "back door"?

Yes, according to the house shown on NG.



Thanks. I am listening to the NG show, but not able to watch it.

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Brandi,

your welcome.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: milardi on February 13, 2009, 08:23:23 PM
It makes me sick to see George's face plastered all over the place asking for donations and saying that the family "needs him". BS all he is doing is taking the focus from the baby. You watch Hammer will be down there any day now. They need to stay away from that family!!!!IMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 13, 2009, 08:24:21 PM
I think both doors open to what would seem the front.  They just call one the back door because it is secondary.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/areial.gif)

So, B is the "back door"?

Yes, according to the house shown on NG.



Thanks. I am listening to the NG show, but not able to watch it.

  You can see the hose??? you guys have good eyes.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 08:24:46 PM
sometimes there is a dryer, washer in the hallway that leads from the main up and down hallway, if I am making sense. Could someone tell from the placement of required sewer vents on top of the roof to match the bath, washer/dryer and kitchen sink? I would guess there is a 2nd bath?

the father said he would sometimes wash his car back there. JVM on HLN said he had only lived there 4 mos. I think someone had a key or knew how to pick locks. Didn't the perp who buried that young girl alive pick the lock?  IMO letter A is the back door.

Are there alligators back by the river?

This is a double wide and the latest report is that everyone sleep in the same room (not in the same bed but on mattress on the floor).  A double wide would have at least 2 bedrooms and probably 3, so why was everyone sleeping in the same room?  If mattresses there this would not be an afraid of the dark thing, this is a permanent sleeping arrangement.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cecilita on February 13, 2009, 08:24:54 PM
I think the little baby was withh Haleigh will be a good witness....I do not how old is the little boy, I have a 3 years old baby and he really tell daddy what i do when he is not at home ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 08:25:05 PM
It makes me sick to see George's face plastered all over the place asking for donations and saying that the family "needs him". BS all he is doing is taking the focus from the baby. You watch Hammer will be down there any day now. They need to stay away from that family!!!!IMO

I agree.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cecilita on February 13, 2009, 08:26:26 PM
I have bad feeling when I see the mother, she seems that he was really mad when the juror give him the custody of Haleigh....maybe she was so mad and wanted to punished the ex and the system ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 08:27:03 PM
I thought I read or heard on the news that the family lived in a trailer park.
This doesn't look like a trailer that is in a trailer park to me.  Maybe it is.  Does anyone know how far away the nearest trailer is?
In one of the pictures you could see another trailer, it was not far.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 08:28:57 PM
I think the little baby was withh Haleigh will be a good witness....I do not how old is the little boy, I have a 3 years old baby and he really tell daddy what i do when he is not at home ::MonkeyTongue::

The son, Ronald, Jr. will be 4 this Sunday.

I think he was sleeping though when whatever happened, happened.

But he may be able to tell about what normally went on in that home when his daddy was at work.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cecilita on February 13, 2009, 08:30:58 PM
I think the little baby was withh Haleigh will be a good witness....I do not how old is the little boy, I have a 3 years old baby and he really tell daddy what i do when he is not at home ::MonkeyTongue::

The son, Ronald, Jr. will be 4 this Sunday.

I think he was sleeping though when whatever happened, happened.

But he may be able to tell about what normally went on in that home when his daddy was at work.


if the mother was abusing the little girl he will tell what happened Haleigh in her last hours


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: WillenFan21 on February 13, 2009, 08:31:42 PM
They really need to start looking at people who knew this little girl because it is becoming more obivous to me that whoever it is that took her knew their way around that house. Maybe the reason the girlfriend's statements have been conflicting is because she is covering for her brother?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 13, 2009, 08:33:11 PM
I think the little baby was withh Haleigh will be a good witness....I do not how old is the little boy, I have a 3 years old baby and he really tell daddy what i do when he is not at home ::MonkeyTongue::
I have 2 GD and the older one would rat me out all the time. Grammi gave me cake for breakfast. ( It was banana cake ! , I had to ) I stayed up until dark o'clock ! And on and on. I never got away with a thing.  All kids are like that unless they get coached or something.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 13, 2009, 08:33:21 PM
Does anyone know the make of the modular home they live in - you can get floor plans online for most of them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cecilita on February 13, 2009, 08:35:49 PM
I think the little baby was withh Haleigh will be a good witness....I do not how old is the little boy, I have a 3 years old baby and he really tell daddy what i do when he is not at home ::MonkeyTongue::
I have 2 GD and the older one would rat me out all the time. Grammi gave me cake for breakfast. ( It was banana cake ! , I had to ) I stayed up until dark o'clock ! And on and on. I never got away with a thing.  All kids are like that unless they get coached or something.   
yes, he started at 2 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ...i think in this case the mother has to do with the dissaperence of the baby...yesterday in nacy grace wanted to blame the gorlfriend and the girlfriend has the support of the fathers family


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 08:36:21 PM
I keep think back to the grandfather's first interview, which I cannot find.  But the way he was talking it was like he knew who could have taken her.  I wish I could find that interview.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 08:37:42 PM
Mother of Crystal (Haleigh's mother) is onNG now, and she says Crystal has been questioned by the FBI.

And, again, she has not been polygraphed. Nor has anyone of the immediate family. They HAVE been asked to take polys, though.

They have done the paperwork, but not "received" their polys yet.

So it sounds like they will take them. Wonder what the holdup is.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 08:37:52 PM
http://www.topproducerwebsite.com/users/15728/images/2436-947.jpg

this could be the floor plan or similar.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 13, 2009, 08:38:44 PM
A back door usually, in what I have seen in double-wides, leads into the laundry room or kitchen. I would love to see a floor plan of this model for are they saying someone walked all the way to the opposite end of the mobile home to the BRs or what? boy I am confused?

OK just saw a pict taken of the corner of the door, from the back side... there is a small window there..== bath? kitchen?

Was the ramp for a disabled person? or an easy way to carry groceries in by the previous owners? Was the door modified for a scooter? I bet there are keys around> I hope they changed the locks when they moved in.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 08:43:15 PM
Footprints.  Have we heard that before?  (I'm a little behind)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 13, 2009, 08:44:39 PM
Probably already mentioned (I'm catching up), but they also mentioned dog(s) followed scent to railroad tracks.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 08:45:33 PM
Footprints.  Have we heard that before?  (I'm a little behind)

Don't think so. I think he was referring to "new evidence" found today.

( hate it when they get cut off for commercials!)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 13, 2009, 08:46:33 PM
Footprints.  Have we heard that before?  (I'm a little behind)

Yes, dog brought out the night of 911 call and tracked to it on dirt footpath.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 08:46:44 PM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/patc.inq/pa/cpa2.pl?id=92469

home is 1248 sq. ft.

manufactured: 1995

looks like current owner received home through will in 02.

value of land and property: $50835.

1/4 acre of land

Owner of property:

Bard Phyllis
995 Ebenezer Church Rd
Needmore Pa 17238-8702 

Property:

202 Green Ln, Satsuma

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&address=202++GREEN+LN&city=SATSUMA&state=FL

 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 13, 2009, 08:47:11 PM
sometimes there is a dryer, washer in the hallway that leads from the main up and down hallway, if I am making sense. Could someone tell from the placement of required sewer vents on top of the roof to match the bath, washer/dryer and kitchen sink? I would guess there is a 2nd bath?

the father said he would sometimes wash his car back there. JVM on HLN said he had only lived there 4 mos. I think someone had a key or knew how to pick locks. Didn't the perp who buried that young girl alive pick the lock?  IMO letter A is the back door.

Are there alligators back by the river?

This is a double wide and the latest report is that everyone sleep in the same room (not in the same bed but on mattress on the floor).  A double wide would have at least 2 bedrooms and probably 3, so why was everyone sleeping in the same room?  If mattresses there this would not be an afraid of the dark thing, this is a permanent sleeping arrangement.

I don't know why in this case of course, but a number of years ago when my granddaughter was young, my son lived in a double wide mobile home and the master bedroom was at one end of the home, with other 3 bedrooms at the other end.  Even though my gd's bedroom was completely set up for her, he never felt comfortable even with a baby monitor system for her to be that far away from him when she slept, from the time she was born to when she was 4, so he put her bed in his bedroom. 

Maybe the same type thing in this situation ?   Just a protective sort of thing ?




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A's Fever on February 13, 2009, 08:48:20 PM
Who are Cindy and George?  Very confused here..... (as usual)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 13, 2009, 08:48:29 PM
Reporter just mentioned on NG that there was a little girls footprint found when they took the canine dog from the back door thru the woods - that is new & in addition to today's earlier announcement that TES found "items of interest."

O boy, this isnt looking good


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 08:50:19 PM
Reporter just mentioned on NG that there was a little girls footprint found when they took the canine dog from the back door thru the woods - that is new & in addition to today's earlier announcement that TES found "items of interest."

O boy, this isnt looking good

Yeah, I heard that too.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: milardi on February 13, 2009, 08:50:36 PM
Who are Cindy and George?  Very confused here..... (as usual)
The Scamthony's and their circus of friends.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 08:51:32 PM
A back door usually, in what I have seen in double-wides, leads into the laundry room or kitchen. I would love to see a floor plan of this model for are they saying someone walked all the way to the opposite end of the mobile home to the BRs or what? boy I am confused?

OK just saw a pict taken of the corner of the door, from the back side... there is a small window there..== bath? kitchen?

Was the ramp for a disabled person? or an easy way to carry groceries in by the previous owners? Was the door modified for a scooter? I bet there are keys around> I hope they changed the locks when they moved in.



I heard the girlfriend in one of her first TV interviews call it the handicap ramp.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A's Fever on February 13, 2009, 08:52:01 PM
Who are Cindy and George?  Very confused here..... (as usual)
The Scamthony's and their circus of friends.

Would that be Caylee's grandparents?  I haven't followed that case.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 13, 2009, 08:55:09 PM
Who are Cindy and George?  Very confused here..... (as usual)
The Scamthony's and their circus of friends.

Would that be Caylee's grandparents?  I haven't followed that case.  Thanks!

Hi A's

Yes that is Caylee's grandparents and George was at the Haleigh command center today..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 13, 2009, 08:55:54 PM
Something that is really not sitting right with me is the timing of the girlfriend supposedly getting up to use the restroom.  Awfully close to the time her boyfriend was supposed to be getting home, wasn't it?  Coincidence?  I think not.  I think she had left the house and was just getting in.   

I think this could account for her "evolving" story - she's trying to cover that fact up, even though she may not be directly involved in the alleged abduction.   

If Haleigh wasn't abducted, then it's possible that something else happened while the girlfriend was gone which led to Haleigh being harmed or worse.

That's my take on things......at this point anyway.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 13, 2009, 08:58:18 PM
Reporter just mentioned on NG that there was a little girls footprint found when they took the canine dog from the back door thru the woods - that is new & in addition to today's earlier announcement that TES found "items of interest."

O boy, this isnt looking good

Did they say little girl or child??? was the footprint color coded pink??? How would they know if it was a girl or boy?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 08:58:38 PM
Murt Inserting Himself…AGAIN!

 (http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=556)
I am not a happy camper at all. I have just been advised that Murt has supposedly gone to Satsuma with the hoopty news van and a motor home. From what I was told, he did do the right thing with the $500 from the Mt. Dora bench money, as he said he is going to donate to TES for search efforts, but other than that WHY is he going up there? There is NO reason for him to be in Putnam County; nor is there reason for him to stick his nose into yet another missing child case.

I am asking everyone that reads here to start contacting the local media and Sheriff’s office up there and tell them about Murt and his history of inserting himself into cases and using the missing child as a bankroll. I do hope that once Josh Duckett sets his eyes on ol’ Murt that he tells him a thing or twenty and tells him to get his ass out of Dodge. You remember Josh, don’t ya Murt? The father that you LIED to that you were a US Marshall and that his son would be returned on January 12th? Freakin’ piece of crap that he is. Every time I think of how he toyed with that family’s emotions, I could just spit.

Please contact the press - contact local law enforcement. Contact national media if you have to, but Murt needs to GO HOME!!!



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 13, 2009, 08:58:39 PM
sometimes there is a dryer, washer in the hallway that leads from the main up and down hallway, if I am making sense. Could someone tell from the placement of required sewer vents on top of the roof to match the bath, washer/dryer and kitchen sink? I would guess there is a 2nd bath?

the father said he would sometimes wash his car back there. JVM on HLN said he had only lived there 4 mos. I think someone had a key or knew how to pick locks. Didn't the perp who buried that young girl alive pick the lock?  IMO letter A is the back door.

Are there alligators back by the river?

This is a double wide and the latest report is that everyone sleep in the same room (not in the same bed but on mattress on the floor).  A double wide would have at least 2 bedrooms and probably 3, so why was everyone sleeping in the same room?  If mattresses there this would not be an afraid of the dark thing, this is a permanent sleeping arrangement.

I don't know why in this case of course, but a number of years ago when my granddaughter was young, my son lived in a double wide mobile home and the master bedroom was at one end of the home, with other 3 bedrooms at the other end.  Even though my gd's bedroom was completely set up for her, he never felt comfortable even with a baby monitor system for her to be that far away from him when she slept, from the time she was born to when she was 4, so he put her bed in his bedroom. 

Maybe the same type thing in this situation ?   Just a protective sort of thing ?




A lot of families all sleep in the same room. It is very common - many of our tenants do it - personally, I think kids need their room.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A's Fever on February 13, 2009, 08:59:11 PM
I have bad feeling when I see the mother, she seems that he was really mad when the juror give him the custody of Haleigh....maybe she was so mad and wanted to punished the ex and the system ::MonkeyEek::


If that was the case though, wouldn't the father have told the the police in the 911 call that she might have been taken by the mother?  Instead his anger seems to be directed at the gf.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 08:59:16 PM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Under name type in  = CUMMINGS%

Then click on search

Look for Ronald Lemyles Cummings  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 08:59:27 PM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/patc.inq/pa/cpa2.pl?id=92469

home is 1248 sq. ft.

manufactured: 1995

looks like current owner received home through will in 02.

value of land and property: $50835.

1/4 acre of land

Owner of property:

Bard Phyllis
995 Ebenezer Church Rd
Needmore Pa 17238-8702 

Property:

202 Green Ln, Satsuma

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&address=202++GREEN+LN&city=SATSUMA&state=FL

 



This one looks similar to theirs to me:
http://www.forsalebyowner.com/listing/56541


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 13, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
I think they should get a child psychologist specialized in trauma to interview Junior to see if he remembers hearing or seeing anything both before he went to bed & if he was awaken.   In addition to that I think they should do a drug test on him to see if it is possible that Misty gave him & his sister anything from cough syrup or God knows to keep them asleep so she could go out while the father was at work.   If he tests positive and they find Haleigh with the same finding it will match.   The reason I say this is, I find it very difficult to believe in such a small home that either Misty or Junior did not hear an intruder - its possible but they were in very close proximity of each other with bedroom doors reportedly open.

As soon as I heard this story I didnt suspect Misty of harming Haleigh directly but her inconsistencies has led me to believe that it is a possibility that she knew the window she had to go out for whatever reason leaving the children asleep.   If she did not have a key to the house it could explain why the door was left open with the cinder block/brick (which is it for certain?).    Now that she said she had visitors at 5 until 5:30-5:46 earlier that day, I have to wonder if she made plans to go out.  


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 09:01:12 PM
Murt Inserting Himself…AGAIN!

 (http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=556)
I am not a happy camper at all. I have just been advised that Murt has supposedly gone to Satsuma with the hoopty news van and a motor home. From what I was told, he did do the right thing with the $500 from the Mt. Dora bench money, as he said he is going to donate to TES for search efforts, but other than that WHY is he going up there? There is NO reason for him to be in Putnam County; nor is there reason for him to stick his nose into yet another missing child case.

I am asking everyone that reads here to start contacting the local media and Sheriff’s office up there and tell them about Murt and his history of inserting himself into cases and using the missing child as a bankroll. I do hope that once Josh Duckett sets his eyes on ol’ Murt that he tells him a thing or twenty and tells him to get his ass out of Dodge. You remember Josh, don’t ya Murt? The father that you LIED to that you were a US Marshall and that his son would be returned on January 12th? Freakin’ piece of crap that he is. Every time I think of how he toyed with that family’s emotions, I could just spit.

Please contact the press - contact local law enforcement. Contact national media if you have to, but Murt needs to GO HOME!!!



Because Leonard Padilla beckoned him  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 13, 2009, 09:01:19 PM
Something that is really not sitting right with me is the timing of the girlfriend supposedly getting up to use the restroom.  Awfully close to the time her boyfriend was supposed to be getting home, wasn't it?  Coincidence?  I think not.  I think she had left the house and was just getting in.   

I think this could account for her "evolving" story - she's trying to cover that fact up, even though she may not be directly involved in the alleged abduction.   

If Haleigh wasn't abducted, then it's possible that something else happened while the girlfriend was gone which led to Haleigh being harmed or worse.

That's my take on things......at this point anyway.
If dad always gets home at 3 am-ish I can see her getting up everynight around that time.  It's that internal clock thing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 13, 2009, 09:02:36 PM
Reporter just mentioned on NG that there was a little girls footprint found when they took the canine dog from the back door thru the woods - that is new & in addition to today's earlier announcement that TES found "items of interest."

O boy, this isnt looking good

Did they say little girl or child??? was the footprint color coded pink??? How would they know if it was a girl or boy?
I realize that silly LOL   but that is what the reporter said


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 09:04:24 PM
Something that is really not sitting right with me is the timing of the girlfriend supposedly getting up to use the restroom.  Awfully close to the time her boyfriend was supposed to be getting home, wasn't it?  Coincidence?  I think not.  I think she had left the house and was just getting in.   

I think this could account for her "evolving" story - she's trying to cover that fact up, even though she may not be directly involved in the alleged abduction.   

If Haleigh wasn't abducted, then it's possible that something else happened while the girlfriend was gone which led to Haleigh being harmed or worse.

That's my take on things......at this point anyway.

I am afraid that is the theory I find most plausible at this time. She could have left the kids alone sleeping and gone out, and come back to find Haleigh gone.

Gives me the shivers.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A's Fever on February 13, 2009, 09:04:29 PM
I think they should get a child psychologist specialized in trauma to interview Junior to see if he remembers hearing or seeing anything both before he went to bed & if he was awaken.   In addition to that I think they should do a drug test on him to see if it is possible that Misty gave him & his sister anything from cough syrup or God knows to keep them asleep so she could go out while the father was at work.   If he tests positive and they find Haleigh with the same finding it will match.   The reason I say this is, I find it very difficult to believe in such a small home that either Misty or Junior did not hear an intruder - its possible but they were in very close proximity of each other with bedroom doors reportedly open.

As soon as I heard this story I didnt suspect Misty of harming Haleigh directly but her inconsistencies has led me to believe that it is a possibility that she knew the window she had to go out for whatever reason leaving the children asleep.   If she did not have a key to the house it could explain why the door was left open with the cinder block/brick (which is it for certain?).    Now that she said she had visitors at 5 until 5:30-5:46 earlier that day, I have to wonder if she made plans to go out.  



That seems logical to me too.  It's hard to picture a 17 year old who would be content to babysit two little ones from 3 pm to 3 am every day in an isolated trailer.  Also teens are known to enjoy staying up late . . .

Not saying she is directly involved but she may have gone out, leaving the kids alone.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 13, 2009, 09:05:41 PM
The mother was far away. The custody thing was not recent.
I get afraid when they show :
a.  the map with the dots for the sex predators
b.) the  17 yr old gf
c.) the woods and all the water around there 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 13, 2009, 09:09:10 PM
Something that is really not sitting right with me is the timing of the girlfriend supposedly getting up to use the restroom.  Awfully close to the time her boyfriend was supposed to be getting home, wasn't it?  Coincidence?  I think not.  I think she had left the house and was just getting in.   

I think this could account for her "evolving" story - she's trying to cover that fact up, even though she may not be directly involved in the alleged abduction.   

If Haleigh wasn't abducted, then it's possible that something else happened while the girlfriend was gone which led to Haleigh being harmed or worse.

That's my take on things......at this point anyway.

I am afraid that is the theory I find most plausible at this time. She could have left the kids alone sleeping and gone out, and come back to find Haleigh gone.

Gives me the shivers.

The thing is, I can't imagine why else the stories of who was sleeping where have been inconsistent.   Changing stories seem to indicate an attempt to cover SOMETHING up, no matter how benign or irrelevant that something might seem to her.  Nothing is irrelevant in a case like this.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 13, 2009, 09:10:08 PM

I think they should get a child psychologist specialized in trauma to interview Junior to see if he remembers hearing or seeing anything both before he went to bed & if he was awaken.   In addition to that I think they should do a drug test on him to see if it is possible that Misty gave him & his sister anything from cough syrup or God knows to keep them asleep so she could go out while the father was at work.   If he tests positive and they find Haleigh with the same finding it will match.   The reason I say this is, I find it very difficult to believe in such a small home that either Misty or Junior did not hear an intruder - its possible but they were in very close proximity of each other with bedroom doors reportedly open.

As soon as I heard this story I didnt suspect Misty of harming Haleigh directly but her inconsistencies has led me to believe that it is a possibility that she knew the window she had to go out for whatever reason leaving the children asleep.   If she did not have a key to the house it could explain why the door was left open with the cinder block/brick (which is it for certain?).    Now that she said she had visitors at 5 until 5:30-5:46 earlier that day, I have to wonder if she made plans to go out.  



....or for somebody to come in......... ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 13, 2009, 09:10:28 PM
Reporter just mentioned on NG that there was a little girls footprint found when they took the canine dog from the back door thru the woods - that is new & in addition to today's earlier announcement that TES found "items of interest."

O boy, this isnt looking good

Did they say little girl or child??? was the footprint color coded pink??? How would they know if it was a girl or boy?
I realize that silly LOL   but that is what the reporter said
Yes, I figured.. I know I am being a smart arse,but these reporters need to make sure they stick to FACTS.. unless it was color coded pink for girl or blue for boy,they have NO way of knowing if it was a girl or boys... that is why we stay so confused,the reporters twist things for shock and awe..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 13, 2009, 09:10:46 PM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Under name type in  = CUMMINGS%

Then click on search

Look for Ronald Lemyles Cummings  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


I still don't see anything related to children.

Drugs, hunting violations including tresspassing and traffic but only one assault which was with man and apparently dropped.

Is there a number for the one involving children?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: COgal on February 13, 2009, 09:11:16 PM
Did anyone see this, a missing sexual preditor in FL, not all that far away from this current situation.  Just across the Ocala Forest.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/021309predator_missing



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pixiecat on February 13, 2009, 09:11:32 PM
Something that is really not sitting right with me is the timing of the girlfriend supposedly getting up to use the restroom.  Awfully close to the time her boyfriend was supposed to be getting home, wasn't it?  Coincidence?  I think not.  I think she had left the house and was just getting in.   

I think this could account for her "evolving" story - she's trying to cover that fact up, even though she may not be directly involved in the alleged abduction.   

If Haleigh wasn't abducted, then it's possible that something else happened while the girlfriend was gone which led to Haleigh being harmed or worse.

That's my take on things......at this point anyway.

I am afraid that is the theory I find most plausible at this time. She could have left the kids alone sleeping and gone out, and come back to find Haleigh gone.

Gives me the shivers.

This seems very logical to me.  When I think of a 17-year old living away from her parents house, with a boyfriend,  I get the image of a teenager who wants to party.  It seems very plausible that she could have been out partying.  Do we know why she is not in school?  Do we know if/where she is working?  I thought that I heard on NG that she was no longer in school.  Why did she drop out?  There is something about this situation with Misty that I don't like.  If the father admitted that she is his g/f, then isn't there the risk that he could be brought up on statutory rape charges? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 13, 2009, 09:12:37 PM
Something that is really not sitting right with me is the timing of the girlfriend supposedly getting up to use the restroom.  Awfully close to the time her boyfriend was supposed to be getting home, wasn't it?  Coincidence?  I think not.  I think she had left the house and was just getting in.   

I think this could account for her "evolving" story - she's trying to cover that fact up, even though she may not be directly involved in the alleged abduction.   

If Haleigh wasn't abducted, then it's possible that something else happened while the girlfriend was gone which led to Haleigh being harmed or worse.

That's my take on things......at this point anyway.


Yes Flossy.  I ta w/your point re. how cooincidental that the teens bladder is timed to the arrival of her bf.  It sounded more like a kid sneaking in before her parents were expected home.

Prob no one will remember this cause my posts are easy to skim over but I already have pegged her as a mimic, using boyfriend to fashion her responses.  Guess who else is the supreme mimic?

I found it kind of amazing that the only thing she seems to remember with a hint of consistency is that she had to relieve herself circa 3 a.m. 

Foggy



 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 13, 2009, 09:14:40 PM
Murt Inserting Himself…AGAIN!

 (http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=556)
I am not a happy camper at all. I have just been advised that Murt has supposedly gone to Satsuma with the hoopty news van and a motor home. From what I was told, he did do the right thing with the $500 from the Mt. Dora bench money, as he said he is going to donate to TES for search efforts, but other than that WHY is he going up there? There is NO reason for him to be in Putnam County; nor is there reason for him to stick his nose into yet another missing child case.

I am asking everyone that reads here to start contacting the local media and Sheriff’s office up there and tell them about Murt and his history of inserting himself into cases and using the missing child as a bankroll. I do hope that once Josh Duckett sets his eyes on ol’ Murt that he tells him a thing or twenty and tells him to get his ass out of Dodge. You remember Josh, don’t ya Murt? The father that you LIED to that you were a US Marshall and that his son would be returned on January 12th? Freakin’ piece of crap that he is. Every time I think of how he toyed with that family’s emotions, I could just spit.

Please contact the press - contact local law enforcement. Contact national media if you have to, but Murt needs to GO HOME!!!


The same applies to that convicted felon & fraud Dennis Milstead and George Anthony of Kid Finders Network


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 09:15:45 PM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Under name type in  = CUMMINGS%

Then click on search

Look for Ronald Lemyles Cummings  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


I still don't see anything related to children.

Drugs, hunting violations including tresspassing and traffic but only one assault which was with man and apparently dropped.

Is there a number for the one involving children?



That was the criminal docket link.  No, nothing do to with children but a couple of older drug arrests cocaine and marijuana.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 13, 2009, 09:16:17 PM
Murt, Josh Duckett, George Anthony and Dennis Milstead.
They have nothing to contribute to the search. Nothing positive is going to come from them being there. I wish the sherriff would get his gun out, fire a warning shot in the air and clear the area of these leaches.
If they were going to set up a cooking area for the real searchers, that would be fine, but to just go there is going to hinder the real people who are interested in rolling their sleeves up and getting to work for the sake of this little girl.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 13, 2009, 09:18:04 PM

omg, I had no idea at all that Murt had done such a thing to Josh Duckett. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pixiecat on February 13, 2009, 09:18:39 PM
Something that is really not sitting right with me is the timing of the girlfriend supposedly getting up to use the restroom.  Awfully close to the time her boyfriend was supposed to be getting home, wasn't it?  Coincidence?  I think not.  I think she had left the house and was just getting in.   

I think this could account for her "evolving" story - she's trying to cover that fact up, even though she may not be directly involved in the alleged abduction.   

If Haleigh wasn't abducted, then it's possible that something else happened while the girlfriend was gone which led to Haleigh being harmed or worse.

That's my take on things......at this point anyway.


Yes Flossy.  I ta w/your point re. how cooincidental that the teens bladder is timed to the arrival of her bf.  It sounded more like a kid sneaking in before her parents were expected home.

Prob no one will remember this cause my posts are easy to skim over but I already have pegged her as a mimic, using boyfriend to fashion her responses.  Guess who else is the supreme mimic?

I found it kind of amazing that the only thing she seems to remember with a hint of consistency is that she had to relieve herself circa 3 a.m. 

Foggy



 

Foggy, I completely agree with you.  There is something about her relationship with Ronald that is strange.  She can't keep a straight story.  He has spoken openly about her in the press in an abusive tone.  I would love to know what went on in her FBI interview.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 09:19:25 PM
Did anyone see this, a missing sexual preditor in FL, not all that far away from this current situation.  Just across the Ocala Forest.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/021309predator_missing



Hi COgal - yes we posted that earlier.  It's about 74 miles or so southwest of Satsuma

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Satsuma.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 09:20:31 PM
Murt, Josh Duckett, George Anthony and Dennis Milstead.
They have nothing to contribute to the search.
Nothing positive is going to come from them being there. I wish the sherriff would get his gun out, fire a warning shot in the air and clear the area of these leaches.
If they were going to set up a cooking area for the real searchers, that would be fine, but to just go there is going to hinder the real people who are interested in rolling their sleeves up and getting to work for the sake of this little girl.

Agreed!!!
KidFinders does NOT search. And, they do not find.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: COgal on February 13, 2009, 09:20:43 PM
Search on for missing
sexual predator
Last Edited: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:36 PM EST
Created On: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:35 PM EST

- The Marion County Sheriffs office is asking for he publics help in finding a missing man who happens to be a registered sexual predator.

Authorities said Chad Reynolds, 25, was last seen on February 1 in the Ocklawaha area. He reportedly borrowed a vehicle from a friend then called later to say he had broken down near a Wal-Mart in the Villages near the Marion/Lake County line. The vehicle was later found south of Marion County.

Reynolds is still missing and has not contacted his family. A warrant has been issued for Reynolds for violation of his probation.

Anyone with information regarding Reynolds whereabouts is asked to call the Marion County Sheriffs Office at 732-9111 or Crime Stoppers at 368-STOP.



ONLY less than a 2 hour drive from Ocklawaha to Satsuma.  Anyone think it possible???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: COgal on February 13, 2009, 09:21:22 PM
Also Marion County and Putnam County border each other.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pixiecat on February 13, 2009, 09:23:56 PM
Search on for missing
sexual predator
Last Edited: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:36 PM EST
Created On: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:35 PM EST

- The Marion County Sheriffs office is asking for he publics help in finding a missing man who happens to be a registered sexual predator.

Authorities said Chad Reynolds, 25, was last seen on February 1 in the Ocklawaha area. He reportedly borrowed a vehicle from a friend then called later to say he had broken down near a Wal-Mart in the Villages near the Marion/Lake County line. The vehicle was later found south of Marion County.

Reynolds is still missing and has not contacted his family. A warrant has been issued for Reynolds for violation of his probation.

Anyone with information regarding Reynolds whereabouts is asked to call the Marion County Sheriffs Office at 732-9111 or Crime Stoppers at 368-STOP.



ONLY less than a 2 hour drive from Ocklawaha to Satsuma.  Anyone think it possible???

I do think it is possible.  I hope that authorities are working on discovering if Reynolds had any links to any of the people surrounding Haleigh.  Is her trailer isolated?  I have read that she lived in a trailer park, but the photos make it look like she is quite isolated.  If there were no connections between this predator and Haleigh, it could also make sense if he somehow spotted her in a trailer park.  If they are isolated, then the likelihood (IMO) is very small.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 13, 2009, 09:32:47 PM
Murt, Josh Duckett, George Anthony and Dennis Milstead.
They have nothing to contribute to the search.
Nothing positive is going to come from them being there. I wish the sherriff would get his gun out, fire a warning shot in the air and clear the area of these leaches.
If they were going to set up a cooking area for the real searchers, that would be fine, but to just go there is going to hinder the real people who are interested in rolling their sleeves up and getting to work for the sake of this little girl.

Agreed!!!
KidFinders does NOT search. And, they do not find.
Nope they just beg for donations & make paper goods to front their scam, o and assault someone on a dime!

Besides the evidence I saw regarding Dennis's criminal record, the Milstead's legal troubles, house foreclosure & fake companies used as fronts & now this new project House for Hope that I will make sure they dont succeed at if its the last thing I do on this earth, it occured to me months ago that they have not ONE reputable sponsor or any funding from a reputable organization or business donor for years now.   I recall seeing their billboard on an America's Most Wanted clip in the background - AMW never mentioned them nor ever considered endorsing them....there is obvious reasons for it.   The Kesse family made a formal public request for Kid Finders Network to remove any mention of their daughter from their props.   There is also no doubt in my mind that the Milsteads had no problem assisting the Anthonys with more than we know in helping cover up Casey murdering Caylee, I pray every night that they all get the arm of the law slapping them upside the head sooner than later.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 13, 2009, 09:34:06 PM
Reporter just mentioned on NG that there was a little girls footprint found when they took the canine dog from the back door thru the woods - that is new & in addition to today's earlier announcement that TES found "items of interest."

O boy, this isnt looking good

Did they say little girl or child??? was the footprint color coded pink??? How would they know if it was a girl or boy?


Man, I'm with you Searching. ::MonkeyNoNo::

The LE report stated  "...a child's footprint...".   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 13, 2009, 09:35:21 PM
Search on for missing
sexual predator
Last Edited: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:36 PM EST
Created On: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:35 PM EST

- The Marion County Sheriffs office is asking for he publics help in finding a missing man who happens to be a registered sexual predator.

Authorities said Chad Reynolds, 25, was last seen on February 1 in the Ocklawaha area. He reportedly borrowed a vehicle from a friend then called later to say he had broken down near a Wal-Mart in the Villages near the Marion/Lake County line. The vehicle was later found south of Marion County.

Reynolds is still missing and has not contacted his family. A warrant has been issued for Reynolds for violation of his probation.

Anyone with information regarding Reynolds whereabouts is asked to call the Marion County Sheriffs Office at 732-9111 or Crime Stoppers at 368-STOP.



ONLY less than a 2 hour drive from Ocklawaha to Satsuma.  Anyone think it possible???

Yes it is a possibility especially if someone left the door to Ron's backdoor unlocked


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: summermonkey on February 13, 2009, 09:37:03 PM
I haven't read all 36 pages of this thread.....so I'm sorry if this has already been discussed, but does anyone know if Tim and George spoke?  Thanks....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: heykim on February 13, 2009, 09:38:53 PM
i live near where joseph duncan abducted and killed the family and did horrific things to the children that he abducted.... it is a really OUT of the way place... but near a freeway... and apparently he just watched like the freakazoid predator that he was ...and saw the children....

yall wouldnt BELIEVE how wierd of a spot it is that they were taken from.. totally not somewhere you would think your kiddos wouldnt be safe...

i am always freaked out by these seemingly unbelievable abductions ....
yet the predators watch and wait and look for an opportunity...


gah!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 09:41:46 PM
Hi Monkeys...

I don't know if this has been posted her yet, this came from a poster at JQ, it is the initial police report:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

It says she told cops she(gf) got up TO GET A DRINK OF WATER!!! I think there are other dicrepencies as well. Also I think IM posted a link to firstcoastalnews. There is a chat on the side  of the live report and several peeps alleging to be locals and neighbors gave insight to the case. These peeps do drugs, yes folks, DRUGS  ::MonkeyShocked::, ( I am being funny here sorry if I offend). One said Misty was a druggie, one suspected the drug dealer did it ( but really WHAT drug dealer would want a kid unless he was a ped on the side). Anyhoo.... A MR ODOM was also posting info and now I see that a Lt. Teresa Odom is listed on the report..... I just wish I could remember what the hell he was alluding to  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 13, 2009, 09:45:12 PM
Who are Cindy and George?  Very confused here..... (as usual)
::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: milardi on February 13, 2009, 09:46:14 PM
I haven't read all 36 pages of this thread.....so I'm sorry if this has already been discussed, but does anyone know if Tim and George spoke?  Thanks....
Tim spoke briefly as usual he is focused on the search.  George, on the other hand proceeded to lecture the media how this family "NEEDED HIM" and "DONATIONS". That he knew what they were going thru, how they were members of the same club. He really grates my grits in a big way.
He really needs to check himself back into the looney bin.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 13, 2009, 09:49:49 PM
Murt Inserting Himself…AGAIN!

 (http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=556)
I am not a happy camper at all. I have just been advised that Murt has supposedly gone to Satsuma with the hoopty news van and a motor home. From what I was told, he did do the right thing with the $500 from the Mt. Dora bench money, as he said he is going to donate to TES for search efforts, but other than that WHY is he going up there? There is NO reason for him to be in Putnam County; nor is there reason for him to stick his nose into yet another missing child case.

I am asking everyone that reads here to start contacting the local media and Sheriff’s office up there and tell them about Murt and his history of inserting himself into cases and using the missing child as a bankroll. I do hope that once Josh Duckett sets his eyes on ol’ Murt that he tells him a thing or twenty and tells him to get his ass out of Dodge. You remember Josh, don’t ya Murt? The father that you LIED to that you were a US Marshall and that his son would be returned on January 12th? Freakin’ piece of crap that he is. Every time I think of how he toyed with that family’s emotions, I could just spit.

Please contact the press - contact local law enforcement. Contact national media if you have to, but Murt needs to GO HOME!!!


The same applies to that convicted felon & fraud Dennis Milstead and George Anthony of Kid Finders Network
crap... every moron, con man, felon, and attention seeking ho ha's are coming out of the woodwork like roaches at night to get a few minutes on camera while another poor child is missing..  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 13, 2009, 09:51:21 PM
This trailer park is a retirement one with mostly older folks. But these older folks have children / grandchildren. This missing predator might have a connection to someone who lives there. Odd that he is missing and they are letting us know about it. Crap I hope not. The timing of this.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 13, 2009, 09:53:51 PM
This trailer park is a retirement one with mostly older folks. But these older folks have children / grandchildren. This missing predator might have a connection to someone who lives there. Odd that he is missing and they are letting us know about it. Crap I hope not. The timing of this.


Oh, man - this is now even more scary.  The thought just makes my skin crawl. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 13, 2009, 10:01:09 PM
i live near where joseph duncan abducted and killed the family and did horrific things to the children that he abducted.... it is a really OUT of the way place... but near a freeway... and apparently he just watched like the freakazoid predator that he was ...and saw the children....

yall wouldnt BELIEVE how wierd of a spot it is that they were taken from.. totally not somewhere you would think your kiddos wouldnt be safe...

i am always freaked out by these seemingly unbelievable abductions ....
yet the predators watch and wait and look for an opportunity...


gah!


HeyKim, what folks don't seem to get is that lowlives practice their "trade" for a living.  I've known this for decades.  Where is everyone?

And its always seemed that the predators are the most driven.  :gaah: back atcha.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 10:08:09 PM
Hi Monkeys...

I don't know if this has been posted her yet, this came from a poster at JQ, it is the initial police report:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

It says she told cops she(gf) got up TO GET A DRINK OF WATER!!! I think there are other dicrepencies as well. Also I think IM posted a link to firstcoastalnews. There is a chat on the side  of the live report and several peeps alleging to be locals and neighbors gave insight to the case. These peeps do drugs, yes folks, DRUGS  ::MonkeyShocked::, ( I am being funny here sorry if I offend). One said Misty was a druggie, one suspected the drug dealer did it ( but really WHAT drug dealer would want a kid unless he was a ped on the side). Anyhoo.... A MR ODOM was also posting info and now I see that a Lt. Teresa Odom is listed on the report..... I just wish I could remember what the hell he was alluding to  ::MonkeyWaa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/report.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 13, 2009, 10:10:29 PM
Hi Monkeys...

I don't know if this has been posted her yet, this came from a poster at JQ, it is the initial police report:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

It says she told cops she(gf) got up TO GET A DRINK OF WATER!!! I think there are other dicrepencies as well. Also I think IM posted a link to firstcoastalnews. There is a chat on the side  of the live report and several peeps alleging to be locals and neighbors gave insight to the case. These peeps do drugs, yes folks, DRUGS  ::MonkeyShocked::, ( I am being funny here sorry if I offend). One said Misty was a druggie, one suspected the drug dealer did it ( but really WHAT drug dealer would want a kid unless he was a ped on the side). Anyhoo.... A MR ODOM was also posting info and now I see that a Lt. Teresa Odom is listed on the report..... I just wish I could remember what the hell he was alluding to  ::MonkeyWaa::

I have read that a drug deal may kidnap a child if the parents haven't paid their drug bill. I have also read that the child is sold to human trafficking so the dealer can get his/her money back.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 13, 2009, 10:14:51 PM

Thanks Klaas... I waited forever but couldn't get that PDF file with the initial report to load.

So in that report she says she got up to get a drink, add that to her changing stories, and in this version both kids are in bed with her.

Did you redact the info where to took Haleigh on a walk to, or was it like that ?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 13, 2009, 10:15:49 PM
If she walked to her family with the young girl, I hope they check in, around and under every home and every person.

Maybe someone came in for the drugs and also took the girl. This is so sad.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 13, 2009, 10:17:04 PM
Hi Monkeys...

I don't know if this has been posted her yet, this came from a poster at JQ, it is the initial police report:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

It says she told cops she(gf) got up TO GET A DRINK OF WATER!!! I think there are other dicrepencies as well. Also I think IM posted a link to firstcoastalnews. There is a chat on the side  of the live report and several peeps alleging to be locals and neighbors gave insight to the case. These peeps do drugs, yes folks, DRUGS  ::MonkeyShocked::, ( I am being funny here sorry if I offend). One said Misty was a druggie, one suspected the drug dealer did it ( but really WHAT drug dealer would want a kid unless he was a ped on the side). Anyhoo.... A MR ODOM was also posting info and now I see that a Lt. Teresa Odom is listed on the report..... I just wish I could remember what the hell he was alluding to  ::MonkeyWaa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/report.jpg)


Klaas, thank you.  I'm waiting for the thing to load (pesky snail pace connection).

The good news is my DH said I should use his air card.  I'm gonna try it out tomorrow when he doesn't need it for work.  Hmm...go figure it works best at my desk (he tested it yesterday).  


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 10:19:57 PM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Under name type in  = CUMMINGS%

Then click on search

Look for Ronald Lemyles Cummings  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wow!!  This dude is not exactly material for dad of the year, is he!  Thanks Klaas for this find! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 10:22:17 PM
Hi Monkeys...

I don't know if this has been posted her yet, this came from a poster at JQ, it is the initial police report:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

It says she told cops she(gf) got up TO GET A DRINK OF WATER!!! I think there are other dicrepencies as well. Also I think IM posted a link to firstcoastalnews. There is a chat on the side  of the live report and several peeps alleging to be locals and neighbors gave insight to the case. These peeps do drugs, yes folks, DRUGS  ::MonkeyShocked::, ( I am being funny here sorry if I offend). One said Misty was a druggie, one suspected the drug dealer did it ( but really WHAT drug dealer would want a kid unless he was a ped on the side). Anyhoo.... A MR ODOM was also posting info and now I see that a Lt. Teresa Odom is listed on the report..... I just wish I could remember what the hell he was alluding to  ::MonkeyWaa::

I have read that a drug deal may kidnap a child if the parents haven't paid their drug bill. I have also read that the child is sold to human trafficking so the dealer can get his/her money back.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: I must be gettin old, back in the day when everyone just smoked pot it was all mellow ::MonkeyLaugh::. Thats really sick but I guess times change. It just seems that the kidnapping is done by the Mexican drug rings and the trafficking would be done by someone heavily involved in dope. I just don't see a dude that has a FT job as getting in over his head and losing his job when he's got kids but then again I guess it happens every day. Taking that a step further he could be the middle man and maybe he smoked/snorted  the dope $$ instead...that I could see but I guess  if it were my daughter I would come clean with the cops in hopes of getting her back .....yeah I would squeal like a pig for my kids!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 13, 2009, 10:26:04 PM
I have been wondering about everything thats been put out there so far, the dad's history, the age of the GF, her affect and IMO, it is starting to look like yes, she has several stories,, ok, why? Maybe she was careless, crashed out with the door open and doesnt want to admit it because she is afraid of him...Maybe the baby WAS kidnapped and neither dad or gf have a clue who did it, but I think she is afraid of him...  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: supersleuth99 on February 13, 2009, 10:27:06 PM
Going with the clues so far....AC man was there about 5pm.  Maybe the AC wasn't working so Misty propped open the back door to get some air.  She was doing laundry by the back door she said.  For some reason she fell asleep and didn't wake up until after dark.  In the mean time Haleigh went out the back door to a pond.  On Nancy Grace tonight it was stated that the dogs followed Haleigh's scent to the pond and there was a child's footprint there.  I don't know if the pond is connected to the river, but LE is focused on the river. 
It seems like Misty can't get her story straight about the bed and what Haleigh was wearing...tan shorts vs no shorts.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 10:27:38 PM
If she walked to her family with the young girl, I hope they check in, around and under every home and every person.

Maybe someone came in for the drugs and also took the girl. This is so sad.

IIRC there is a Hank(?) Croslin who is related to Misty ( the gf) that lives on Tyler St...just up from Green Ln. I found it doing a search of white pages while looking for the address...which is on the police report. Also on report dog search.... stopped by a shed ( which LE checked ) and ended at Railroad tracks! Could someone in a car have driven down the tracks to avoid detection? Remember the night she went missing WAS A FULL MOON.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 10:28:40 PM
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Turned-Away-From-Search/oamA7eW5HEywT3rjpAAxjQ.cspx

Volunteers Turned Away From Search  Reported by: Cathi Carson
Email: ccarson@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 7:48 pm 

Print Story | Email Story     

 Alex Weber and his fellow Urban Search and Rescue team came from Hilton Head to try and help search for Haleigh Cummings.  But when they arrived they were told they couldn't join the effort.

Investigators say liability and safety issues make it impossible to allow uninvited volunteers to take part in the search.  And at this point they have plenty of help.  There were more than 200 volunteers searching the woods along side horses. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 10:33:16 PM
Going with the clues so far....AC man was there about 5pm.  Maybe the AC wasn't working so Misty propped open the back door to get some air.  She was doing laundry by the back door she said.  For some reason she fell asleep and didn't wake up until after dark.  In the mean time Haleigh went out the back door to a pond.  On Nancy Grace tonight it was stated that the dogs followed Haleigh's scent to the pond and there was a child's footprint there.  I don't know if the pond is connected to the river, but LE is focused on the river. 
It seems like Misty can't get her story straight about the bed and what Haleigh was wearing...tan shorts vs no shorts.

Welcome SS99 ::MonkeyDance::
I think if she would have crashed Ronnie Jr would have followed his sister outside. Propping the back door open for air would make sense though if the A/C wasn't working. IS IT POSSIBLE some sicko got in the house then and hid until everyone was asleep? It's still pretty ballsy but I think peds get transfixed on certain kids and stalk and plot so maybe. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 10:34:50 PM
Hi Monkeys...

I don't know if this has been posted her yet, this came from a poster at JQ, it is the initial police report:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

It says she told cops she(gf) got up TO GET A DRINK OF WATER!!! I think there are other dicrepencies as well. Also I think IM posted a link to firstcoastalnews. There is a chat on the side  of the live report and several peeps alleging to be locals and neighbors gave insight to the case. These peeps do drugs, yes folks, DRUGS  ::MonkeyShocked::, ( I am being funny here sorry if I offend). One said Misty was a druggie, one suspected the drug dealer did it ( but really WHAT drug dealer would want a kid unless he was a ped on the side). Anyhoo.... A MR ODOM was also posting info and now I see that a Lt. Teresa Odom is listed on the report..... I just wish I could remember what the hell he was alluding to  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thanks, leslee, for this report link. I had not seen it yet.

I also have never heard of Turner Syndrome, an affliction suffered by Haleigh until just now.

About the water/bathroom connection: maybe she went (or was going to go) to the bathroom to get a glass of water. Some people keep a water glass on their sink for that.

*shrug*



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 13, 2009, 10:35:55 PM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Under name type in  = CUMMINGS%

Then click on search

Look for Ronald Lemyles Cummings  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wow!!  This dude is not exactly material for dad of the year, is he!  Thanks Klaas for this find! 


klaas, thanks for the link.

I also looked up that SO named K.S. Johns who lives less than a mile away. (He also rents from the same landlord) His sexual offense involved a minor child.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kitkat53 on February 13, 2009, 10:39:20 PM
Going with the clues so far....AC man was there about 5pm.  Maybe the AC wasn't working so Misty propped open the back door to get some air.  She was doing laundry by the back door she said.  For some reason she fell asleep and didn't wake up until after dark.  In the mean time Haleigh went out the back door to a pond.  On Nancy Grace tonight it was stated that the dogs followed Haleigh's scent to the pond and there was a child's footprint there.  I don't know if the pond is connected to the river, but LE is focused on the river. 
It seems like Misty can't get her story straight about the bed and what Haleigh was wearing...tan shorts vs no shorts.

Welcome SS99 ::MonkeyDance::
I think if she would have crashed Ronnie Jr would have followed his sister outside. Propping the back door open for air would make sense though if the A/C wasn't working. IS IT POSSIBLE some sicko got in the house then and hid until everyone was asleep? It's still pretty ballsy but I think peds get transfixed on certain kids and stalk and plot so maybe. ::MonkeyConfused::
I remember hearing  ( not sure if it was on NG or JVM ) that Haleigh was terrified of the river because she had had an accident there, where she needed to be resuscitated and so they don't think that if she left the house on her own that she would have gone to the river.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 10:40:48 PM
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Turned-Away-From-Search/oamA7eW5HEywT3rjpAAxjQ.cspx

Volunteers Turned Away From Search  Reported by: Cathi Carson
Email: ccarson@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 7:48 pm 

Print Story | Email Story     

 Alex Weber and his fellow Urban Search and Rescue team came from Hilton Head to try and help search for Haleigh Cummings.  But when they arrived they were told they couldn't join the effort.

Investigators say liability and safety issues make it impossible to allow uninvited volunteers to take part in the search.  And at this point they have plenty of help.  There were more than 200 volunteers searching the woods along side horses. 


This is so SAD!!  IMO, no professional search team ought to ever be turned away, no matter what!  Am not so sure that all 200 of their volunteers already "invited" have more experience and training than the pro search team! 

This isn't the first missing person's case where the investigators have turned away professional search and rescue teams.  It just burns me up each time that it's done. 

We had a local young man go missing, my son's best friend.  LE and their slew of untrained volunteers looked for all of a week for this young man, then called off the search.  Several months later, it took a man who lived hours away, volunteering his cadaver dog and self, all of less than a day to find his body.  I say GOD BLESS any pro search team willing and able to get involved, and it should be a crime to turn them away! 

IMO. 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 10:41:46 PM
Hi Monkeys...

I don't know if this has been posted her yet, this came from a poster at JQ, it is the initial police report:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

It says she told cops she(gf) got up TO GET A DRINK OF WATER!!! I think there are other dicrepencies as well. Also I think IM posted a link to firstcoastalnews. There is a chat on the side  of the live report and several peeps alleging to be locals and neighbors gave insight to the case. These peeps do drugs, yes folks, DRUGS  ::MonkeyShocked::, ( I am being funny here sorry if I offend). One said Misty was a druggie, one suspected the drug dealer did it ( but really WHAT drug dealer would want a kid unless he was a ped on the side). Anyhoo.... A MR ODOM was also posting info and now I see that a Lt. Teresa Odom is listed on the report..... I just wish I could remember what the hell he was alluding to  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thanks, leslee, for this report link. I had not seen it yet.

I also have never heard of Turner Syndrome, an affliction suffered by Haleigh until just now.

About the water/bathroom connection: maybe she went (or was going to go) to the bathroom to get a glass of water. Some people keep a water glass on their sink for that.

*shrug*



Hi Brandi...YW. My Aunt had Turner Syndrome but I really didn't read up on it until Haleigh. I just find it odd that the gf tells LE at first she got up to get a drink and then changes to the bathroom. Did she maybe think who gets up in the middle of the night to get a drink?? And changed her story? The only time I get up for a drink is if I had pizza for dinner or I really can't sleep ( and then it isn't water) ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kitkat53 on February 13, 2009, 10:42:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLiwshayRo

Link to Haleigh's grandmother talking about the previous accident at the river.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 13, 2009, 10:52:02 PM
Have we heard yet if Haleigh went to school Monday, Have we heard what the man that came to fix the AC had to say about if Haleigh was there or not, have they talked to the cousin that was visiting Monday evening, these are what Im waiting forbecause at least then we will know for a fact that Haleigh was there up to a certain time.......I dont feel good about all this, a lot of time has passed now and it doesnt look good to me.......

   Murt and KFN and George need to stay home and leave this up to the proffessionals, IMO......

   LP offering the reward is all that he needs to do also, and he could have done that without going there!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 10:54:28 PM
Have we heard yet if Haleigh went to school Monday, Have we heard what the man that came to fix the AC had to say about if Haleigh was there or not, have they talked to the cousin that was visiting Monday evening, these are what Im waiting forbecause at least then we will know for a fact that Haleigh was there up to a certain time.......I dont feel good about all this, a lot of time has passed now and it doesnt look good to me.......

   Murt and KFN and George need to stay home and leave this up to the proffessionals, IMO......

   LP offering the reward is all that he needs to do also, and he could have done that without going there!

Of the things you've asked, all I've heard so far is that LE reported that the AC guy checked out ok, they have no concerns there. 

I agree with you, after this amount of time, it doesn't look good. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Mtnmom on February 13, 2009, 10:55:48 PM
i live near where joseph duncan abducted and killed the family and did horrific things to the children that he abducted.... it is a really OUT of the way place... but near a freeway... and apparently he just watched like the freakazoid predator that he was ...and saw the children....

yall wouldnt BELIEVE how wierd of a spot it is that they were taken from.. totally not somewhere you would think your kiddos wouldnt be safe...

i am always freaked out by these seemingly unbelievable abductions ....
yet the predators watch and wait and look for an opportunity...


gah!

It is a weird spot. Guess he saw them from the freeway. I get sad when Ive driven by there. Little white house in the bushes all boarded up and knowing what happened there makes me feel ill.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: always 1 on February 13, 2009, 11:00:06 PM
My sister called today and she thinks the 17 had another boy friend who was more interested in the baby, came to visit while first boyfriend was at work, and took baby.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 11:02:40 PM
i live near where joseph duncan abducted and killed the family and did horrific things to the children that he abducted.... it is a really OUT of the way place... but near a freeway... and apparently he just watched like the freakazoid predator that he was ...and saw the children....

yall wouldnt BELIEVE how wierd of a spot it is that they were taken from.. totally not somewhere you would think your kiddos wouldnt be safe...

i am always freaked out by these seemingly unbelievable abductions ....
yet the predators watch and wait and look for an opportunity...


gah!

It is a weird spot. Guess he saw them from the freeway. I get sad when Ive driven by there. Little white house in the bushes all boarded up and knowing what happened there makes me feel ill.

This case is just getting scarier by the minute. I am so afraid now that there won't be a happy ending.

O/T: mtnmom, I left you a post on page 24 of the thread in my sig line.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: darla on February 13, 2009, 11:06:36 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::Hi Monkeys...been reading to catch up and saw the police report.Did I see the mother's age right???????She is only 19??With 3 kids??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 13, 2009, 11:07:48 PM
Have we heard yet if Haleigh went to school Monday, Have we heard what the man that came to fix the AC had to say about if Haleigh was there or not, have they talked to the cousin that was visiting Monday evening, these are what Im waiting forbecause at least then we will know for a fact that Haleigh was there up to a certain time.......I dont feel good about all this, a lot of time has passed now and it doesnt look good to me.......

   Murt and KFN and George need to stay home and leave this up to the proffessionals, IMO......

   LP offering the reward is all that he needs to do also, and he could have done that without going there!

Of the things you've asked, all I've heard so far is that LE reported that the AC guy checked out ok, they have no concerns there. 

I agree with you, after this amount of time, it doesn't look good. 

Oh  Hi Wyks, sorry I was reading my E-Mails from fellow Monkeys,
    Yes I think that too much time has passed and with the reward that LP offered on the table, it just looks like if someone thought they could get that money they would came running for it, something bad happened, and it does not look good to me!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 13, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
::MonkeyConfused::Hi Monkeys...been reading to catch up and saw the police report.Did I see the mother's age right???????She is only 19??With 3 kids??
NO  the Mother is 23...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 11:10:20 PM
::MonkeyConfused::Hi Monkeys...been reading to catch up and saw the police report.Did I see the mother's age right???????She is only 19??With 3 kids??

Born in 1989, it says. Good point. She was 14 when Haleigh was born?!

I had read somewhere else that she was 23.

Maybe this is a mistake.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: always 1 on February 13, 2009, 11:10:21 PM
I dreamed about her last nite.  I dreamed that an older male with white hair and a thin face and glasses took her.  And they willl find a tiny shoe that belongs to her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: darla on February 13, 2009, 11:11:07 PM
::MonkeyConfused::Hi Monkeys...been reading to catch up and saw the police report.Did I see the mother's age right???????She is only 19??With 3 kids??
NO  the Mother is 23...

Thanks HH, I could have sworn it said 19.....I about fell out of the chair.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 11:15:26 PM
::MonkeyConfused::Hi Monkeys...been reading to catch up and saw the police report.Did I see the mother's age right???????She is only 19??With 3 kids??
NO  the Mother is 23...

Thanks HH, I could have sworn it said 19.....I about fell out of the chair.

It DID say 19! Listed her DOB as 8-30-1989.

You were not seeing things. I just think it was wrong. Should have said 1985.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 13, 2009, 11:16:00 PM
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Turned-Away-From-Search/oamA7eW5HEywT3rjpAAxjQ.cspx

Volunteers Turned Away From Search  Reported by: Cathi Carson
Email: ccarson@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 7:48 pm 

Print Story | Email Story     

 Alex Weber and his fellow Urban Search and Rescue team came from Hilton Head to try and help search for Haleigh Cummings.  But when they arrived they were told they couldn't join the effort.

Investigators say liability and safety issues make it impossible to allow uninvited volunteers to take part in the search.  And at this point they have plenty of help.  There were more than 200 volunteers searching the woods along side horses. 


This is so SAD!!  IMO, no professional search team ought to ever be turned away, no matter what!  Am not so sure that all 200 of their volunteers already "invited" have more experience and training than the pro search team! 

This isn't the first missing person's case where the investigators have turned away professional search and rescue teams.  It just burns me up each time that it's done. 

We had a local young man go missing, my son's best friend.  LE and their slew of untrained volunteers looked for all of a week for this young man, then called off the search.  Several months later, it took a man who lived hours away, volunteering his cadaver dog and self, all of less than a day to find his body.  I say GOD BLESS any pro search team willing and able to get involved, and it should be a crime to turn them away! 

IMO. 
 


Wyks, this is one of those deals that folks'll debate 'til the cows come home.  I've said over and over that if our child was missing, we'd be out beating the bushes 'til we collapsed rather than wasting time doing interviews, let alone calling off the search because of nightfall.

I was reading on an FL equine forum earlier.  If folks want to be part of formal SAR, it'd behoove them to find a reputable group and take the appropriate classes/tests for certs. 

I say this because Joe Blow and his dog, no matter what their tracking abilities aren't welcome until after LE and the more "accepted" SAR folks get in there.

Imho, the lag time between someone coming up missing and when full-scale search can be/is implemented is very concerning.  Thank God the dogs were called out pretty quickly in this case.  I hope someone's been out with dogs every day--and into the night.  I don't get professionals calling off the search because of nightfall esp. w/dogs. 

Foggy
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 13, 2009, 11:17:10 PM
Something is going on on the webcam!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 11:18:03 PM
I dreamed about her last nite.  I dreamed that an older male with white hair and a thin face and glasses took her.  And they willl find a tiny shoe that belongs to her.

O/T
Not trying to be funny or anything but do you really dream about stuff that comes true?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kitkat53 on February 13, 2009, 11:18:21 PM
Something is going on on the webcam!!!!!!!!

I didn't know they had webcam. Is it of their house?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 11:20:59 PM
Have we heard yet if Haleigh went to school Monday, Have we heard what the man that came to fix the AC had to say about if Haleigh was there or not, have they talked to the cousin that was visiting Monday evening, these are what Im waiting forbecause at least then we will know for a fact that Haleigh was there up to a certain time.......I dont feel good about all this, a lot of time has passed now and it doesnt look good to me.......

   Murt and KFN and George need to stay home and leave this up to the proffessionals, IMO......

   LP offering the reward is all that he needs to do also, and he could have done that without going there!

Of the things you've asked, all I've heard so far is that LE reported that the AC guy checked out ok, they have no concerns there. 

I agree with you, after this amount of time, it doesn't look good. 

Oh  Hi Wyks, sorry I was reading my E-Mails from fellow Monkeys,
    Yes I think that too much time has passed and with the reward that LP offered on the table, it just looks like if someone thought they could get that money they would came running for it, something bad happened, and it does not look good to me!

That's ok, I'm going back and forth between forums in here.  lol 

Yep, am thinking that LP may be suspecting involvement from someone else or info from someone else being given.  The reward feels to me like bait dangled out there for info.  He has said that he himself will deal with whoever comes forward.  And supposedly he doesn't have to report that person or the info rec'd to LE.  Interesting.  If this case does indeed involve drugs or trafficking, that reward may just be very appealing to someone who knows the truth of what happened. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: darla on February 13, 2009, 11:21:09 PM
Something is going on on the webcam!!!!!!!!

It seems to be hung up.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 11:21:19 PM
Something is going on on the webcam!!!!!!!!

Crap...gotta link? Please???  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: summermonkey on February 13, 2009, 11:21:33 PM
Something is going on on the webcam!!!!!!!!

I didn't know they had webcam. Is it of their house?

Me either....is there a link?  thanks...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 11:21:48 PM
Something is going on on the webcam!!!!!!!!

I didn't know they had webcam. Is it of their house?

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

Looks like an 11:00 news report from the field to me. Not anything "new."


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 13, 2009, 11:22:02 PM
Something is going on on the webcam!!!!!!!!

I didn't know they had webcam. Is it of their house?
Yes, but now I think it is just news reporters trying to get ready for some kinda update........
 
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: always 1 on February 13, 2009, 11:23:03 PM
I dreamed about her last nite.  I dreamed that an older male with white hair and a thin face and glasses took her.  And they willl find a tiny shoe that belongs to her.

O/T
Not trying to be funny or anything but do you really dream about stuff that comes true?
Yes. I have in the past.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 13, 2009, 11:25:39 PM
::MonkeyConfused::Hi Monkeys...been reading to catch up and saw the police report.Did I see the mother's age right???????She is only 19??With 3 kids??
NO  the Mother is 23...

Thanks HH, I could have sworn it said 19.....I about fell out of the chair.

It DID say 19! Listed her DOB as 8-30-1989.

You were not seeing things. I just think it was wrong. Should have said 1985.


The teenager let 911 operator think she was Haleigh's mother.  Sounds like LE went w/that erroneous info.  Don't fret...it'll be straightened out, though that detail is telling--she is another who is a stranger to the truth.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 11:29:57 PM
::MonkeyConfused::Hi Monkeys...been reading to catch up and saw the police report.Did I see the mother's age right???????She is only 19??With 3 kids??
NO  the Mother is 23...

Thanks HH, I could have sworn it said 19.....I about fell out of the chair.

It DID say 19! Listed her DOB as 8-30-1989.

You were not seeing things. I just think it was wrong. Should have said 1985.


The teenager let 911 operator think she was Haleigh's mother.  Sounds like LE went w/that erroneous info.  Don't fret...it'll be straightened out, though that detail is telling--she is another who is a stranger to the truth.

In all serious.... Maybe Misty has deslexia and therefore gets her numbers mixed up. It would/could also explain her dropping out of school and not getting her GED as well.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 11:32:49 PM
Something is going on on the webcam!!!!!!!!

I didn't know they had webcam. Is it of their house?

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

Looks like an 11:00 news report from the field to me. Not anything "new."

Well TY anyway  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 13, 2009, 11:33:46 PM
::MonkeyConfused::Hi Monkeys...been reading to catch up and saw the police report.Did I see the mother's age right???????She is only 19??With 3 kids??
NO  the Mother is 23...

Thanks HH, I could have sworn it said 19.....I about fell out of the chair.

It DID say 19! Listed her DOB as 8-30-1989.

You were not seeing things. I just think it was wrong. Should have said 1985.


The teenager let 911 operator think she was Haleigh's mother.  Sounds like LE went w/that erroneous info.  Don't fret...it'll be straightened out, though that detail is telling--she is another who is a stranger to the truth.

I am afraid you are right, foggy. Not sure how that plays into this yet though.

Time will tell. As someone posted here, the truth does not change.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 11:36:06 PM
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Turned-Away-From-Search/oamA7eW5HEywT3rjpAAxjQ.cspx

Volunteers Turned Away From Search  Reported by: Cathi Carson
Email: ccarson@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 7:48 pm 

Print Story | Email Story     

 Alex Weber and his fellow Urban Search and Rescue team came from Hilton Head to try and help search for Haleigh Cummings.  But when they arrived they were told they couldn't join the effort.

Investigators say liability and safety issues make it impossible to allow uninvited volunteers to take part in the search.  And at this point they have plenty of help.  There were more than 200 volunteers searching the woods along side horses. 


This is so SAD!!  IMO, no professional search team ought to ever be turned away, no matter what!  Am not so sure that all 200 of their volunteers already "invited" have more experience and training than the pro search team! 

This isn't the first missing person's case where the investigators have turned away professional search and rescue teams.  It just burns me up each time that it's done. 

We had a local young man go missing, my son's best friend.  LE and their slew of untrained volunteers looked for all of a week for this young man, then called off the search.  Several months later, it took a man who lived hours away, volunteering his cadaver dog and self, all of less than a day to find his body.  I say GOD BLESS any pro search team willing and able to get involved, and it should be a crime to turn them away! 

IMO. 
 


Wyks, this is one of those deals that folks'll debate 'til the cows come home.  I've said over and over that if our child was missing, we'd be out beating the bushes 'til we collapsed rather than wasting time doing interviews, let alone calling off the search because of nightfall.

I was reading on an FL equine forum earlier.  If folks want to be part of formal SAR, it'd behoove them to find a reputable group and take the appropriate classes/tests for certs. 

I say this because Joe Blow and his dog, no matter what their tracking abilities aren't welcome until after LE and the more "accepted" SAR folks get in there.

Imho, the lag time between someone coming up missing and when full-scale search can be/is implemented is very concerning.  Thank God the dogs were called out pretty quickly in this case.  I hope someone's been out with dogs every day--and into the night.  I don't get professionals calling off the search because of nightfall esp. w/dogs. 

Foggy
 

I bet you're right Foggy, this kind of thing will be debated forever.  I was referring to the acceptable professional SAR teams, these are the ones who have been turned away.  Sounds like the team Klaas reported above was also one.  There were also three, not just one, professional SAR teams turned away in the Stacy Peterson case.  I know one of the members of one of those teams and was following that case closely when it happened.  I just don't understand why this happens in a missing persons case.  The reason given by LE was same as with this case, liability and safety issues.  Which for a professional SAR team, is hogwash.  Untrained volunteers I can understand.  But professionals are fully trained, and usually have their own coverage and fully know the risks, perhaps better even than LE.  They come ready to search, despite the risks, being fully prepared. 

I've heard more times than not, that the actual reason is because LE wants the find for themselves.  Sounds mean of me to say, yet I've seen it happening in at least two cases, mine included.  It's often the same with psychics.  LE doesn't like to give credit publically if a psychic makes the find rather than them.  This happened with Laci Peterson.  It hurts their 'macho' image.  Sigh. 
   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 13, 2009, 11:37:42 PM
I dreamed about her last nite.  I dreamed that an older male with white hair and a thin face and glasses took her.  And they willl find a tiny shoe that belongs to her.

O/T
Not trying to be funny or anything but do you really dream about stuff that comes true?
Yes. I have in the past.

Did you feel as though she is alive?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 13, 2009, 11:38:59 PM
::MonkeyConfused::Hi Monkeys...been reading to catch up and saw the police report.Did I see the mother's age right???????She is only 19??With 3 kids??
NO  the Mother is 23...

Thanks HH, I could have sworn it said 19.....I about fell out of the chair.

It DID say 19! Listed her DOB as 8-30-1989.

You were not seeing things. I just think it was wrong. Should have said 1985.


The teenager let 911 operator think she was Haleigh's mother.  Sounds like LE went w/that erroneous info.  Don't fret...it'll be straightened out, though that detail is telling--she is another who is a stranger to the truth.

Yes she did!  She led out with 'my daughter.........'


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: always 1 on February 13, 2009, 11:39:08 PM
I dreamed about her last nite.  I dreamed that an older male with white hair and a thin face and glasses took her.  And they willl find a tiny shoe that belongs to her.

O/T
Not trying to be funny or anything but do you really dream about stuff that comes true?
Yes. I have in the past.
No.

Did you feel as though she is alive?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 11:39:37 PM
Something is going on on the webcam!!!!!!!!

Do you have the link?  Thanks!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 13, 2009, 11:43:42 PM
::MonkeyConfused::Hi Monkeys...been reading to catch up and saw the police report.Did I see the mother's age right???????She is only 19??With 3 kids??
NO  the Mother is 23...

Thanks HH, I could have sworn it said 19.....I about fell out of the chair.

It DID say 19! Listed her DOB as 8-30-1989.

You were not seeing things. I just think it was wrong. Should have said 1985.


The teenager let 911 operator think she was Haleigh's mother.  Sounds like LE went w/that erroneous info.  Don't fret...it'll be straightened out, though that detail is telling--she is another who is a stranger to the truth.

I am afraid you are right, foggy. Not sure how that plays into this yet though.

Time will tell. As someone posted here, the truth does not change.


Yes, the truth does not change.  And some of my fave thoughts are from Judge Judy ha ha:  "...don't look down there, look at me..." and that one doesn't have to think if one is telling the truth--less to remember :scratch:.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Puzzler on February 13, 2009, 11:45:55 PM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Under name type in  = CUMMINGS%

Then click on search

Look for Ronald Lemyles Cummings  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wow!  Oh, my...



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: GabbyG on February 13, 2009, 11:52:21 PM
Hi Monkeys   I am sick at heart about another child gone missing. I was determined not to get involved in a new case after Natalee and Caylee, but ...well, so much for determination  LOL  I just couldnt stay away. I am very frightened for this precious little girl. I am praying and praying and praying that LE and TES find this little girl safe.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2009, 11:54:06 PM
Hi Monkeys   I am sick at heart about another child gone missing. I was determined not to get involved in a new case after Natalee and Caylee, but ...well, so much for determination  LOL  I just couldnt stay away. I am very frightened for this precious little girl. I am praying and praying and praying that LE and TES find this little girl safe.

Me too Gabby


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: always 1 on February 13, 2009, 11:56:00 PM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Under name type in  = CUMMINGS%

Then click on search

Look for Ronald Lemyles Cummings  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wow!  Oh, my...


That doesnt work for me.  What does he look like???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 13, 2009, 11:58:14 PM
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Turned-Away-From-Search/oamA7eW5HEywT3rjpAAxjQ.cspx

Volunteers Turned Away From Search  Reported by: Cathi Carson
Email: ccarson@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 7:48 pm 

Print Story | Email Story     

 Alex Weber and his fellow Urban Search and Rescue team came from Hilton Head to try and help search for Haleigh Cummings.  But when they arrived they were told they couldn't join the effort.

Investigators say liability and safety issues make it impossible to allow uninvited volunteers to take part in the search.  And at this point they have plenty of help.  There were more than 200 volunteers searching the woods along side horses. 


This is so SAD!!  IMO, no professional search team ought to ever be turned away, no matter what!  Am not so sure that all 200 of their volunteers already "invited" have more experience and training than the pro search team! 

This isn't the first missing person's case where the investigators have turned away professional search and rescue teams.  It just burns me up each time that it's done. 

We had a local young man go missing, my son's best friend.  LE and their slew of untrained volunteers looked for all of a week for this young man, then called off the search.  Several months later, it took a man who lived hours away, volunteering his cadaver dog and self, all of less than a day to find his body.  I say GOD BLESS any pro search team willing and able to get involved, and it should be a crime to turn them away! 

IMO. 
 


Wyks, this is one of those deals that folks'll debate 'til the cows come home.  I've said over and over that if our child was missing, we'd be out beating the bushes 'til we collapsed rather than wasting time doing interviews, let alone calling off the search because of nightfall.

I was reading on an FL equine forum earlier.  If folks want to be part of formal SAR, it'd behoove them to find a reputable group and take the appropriate classes/tests for certs. 

I say this because Joe Blow and his dog, no matter what their tracking abilities aren't welcome until after LE and the more "accepted" SAR folks get in there.

Imho, the lag time between someone coming up missing and when full-scale search can be/is implemented is very concerning.  Thank God the dogs were called out pretty quickly in this case.  I hope someone's been out with dogs every day--and into the night.  I don't get professionals calling off the search because of nightfall esp. w/dogs. 

Foggy
 

I bet you're right Foggy, this kind of thing will be debated forever.  I was referring to the acceptable professional SAR teams, these are the ones who have been turned away.  Sounds like the team Klaas reported above was also one.  There were also three, not just one, professional SAR teams turned away in the Stacy Peterson case.  I know one of the members of one of those teams and was following that case closely when it happened.  I just don't understand why this happens in a missing persons case.  The reason given by LE was same as with this case, liability and safety issues.  Which for a professional SAR team, is hogwash.  Untrained volunteers I can understand.  But professionals are fully trained, and usually have their own coverage and fully know the risks, perhaps better even than LE.  They come ready to search, despite the risks, being fully prepared. 

I've heard more times than not, that the actual reason is because LE wants the find for themselves.  Sounds mean of me to say, yet I've seen it happening in at least two cases, mine included.  It's often the same with psychics.  LE doesn't like to give credit publically if a psychic makes the find rather than them.  This happened with Laci Peterson.  It hurts their 'macho' image.  Sigh. 
   


Wyks, I have a dear friend in LE, state boy who has trained tracking/detector/cadaver dogs and handlers for many, many years.  I kind of get why they don't want others coming in, but by the same token trained groups can imho be invaluable assets--esp. in LE depts that don't have a number of dogs at their immediate beck and call.

One of my fondest wishes is that LE and certified SAR groups come to some agreement that'd more hastily afford SAR groups access to search sites.  Imho there is no room for politics when it comes to searching for a little child.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2009, 12:01:15 AM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Under name type in  = CUMMINGS%

Then click on search

Look for Ronald Lemyles Cummings  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wow!  Oh, my...




Ummmmm..... I guess he might be use to answering questions asked by the police.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cheerio on February 14, 2009, 12:07:11 AM
 This is yet another version of what happened according to the gf "Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, according to Cummings. When she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door was open."

Very suspicious ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 12:10:08 AM
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Turned-Away-From-Search/oamA7eW5HEywT3rjpAAxjQ.cspx

Volunteers Turned Away From Search  Reported by: Cathi Carson
Email: ccarson@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 7:48 pm 

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 Alex Weber and his fellow Urban Search and Rescue team came from Hilton Head to try and help search for Haleigh Cummings.  But when they arrived they were told they couldn't join the effort.

Investigators say liability and safety issues make it impossible to allow uninvited volunteers to take part in the search.  And at this point they have plenty of help.  There were more than 200 volunteers searching the woods along side horses. 


This is so SAD!!  IMO, no professional search team ought to ever be turned away, no matter what!  Am not so sure that all 200 of their volunteers already "invited" have more experience and training than the pro search team! 

This isn't the first missing person's case where the investigators have turned away professional search and rescue teams.  It just burns me up each time that it's done. 

We had a local young man go missing, my son's best friend.  LE and their slew of untrained volunteers looked for all of a week for this young man, then called off the search.  Several months later, it took a man who lived hours away, volunteering his cadaver dog and self, all of less than a day to find his body.  I say GOD BLESS any pro search team willing and able to get involved, and it should be a crime to turn them away! 

IMO. 
 


Wyks, this is one of those deals that folks'll debate 'til the cows come home.  I've said over and over that if our child was missing, we'd be out beating the bushes 'til we collapsed rather than wasting time doing interviews, let alone calling off the search because of nightfall.

I was reading on an FL equine forum earlier.  If folks want to be part of formal SAR, it'd behoove them to find a reputable group and take the appropriate classes/tests for certs. 

I say this because Joe Blow and his dog, no matter what their tracking abilities aren't welcome until after LE and the more "accepted" SAR folks get in there.

Imho, the lag time between someone coming up missing and when full-scale search can be/is implemented is very concerning.  Thank God the dogs were called out pretty quickly in this case.  I hope someone's been out with dogs every day--and into the night.  I don't get professionals calling off the search because of nightfall esp. w/dogs. 

Foggy
 

I bet you're right Foggy, this kind of thing will be debated forever.  I was referring to the acceptable professional SAR teams, these are the ones who have been turned away.  Sounds like the team Klaas reported above was also one.  There were also three, not just one, professional SAR teams turned away in the Stacy Peterson case.  I know one of the members of one of those teams and was following that case closely when it happened.  I just don't understand why this happens in a missing persons case.  The reason given by LE was same as with this case, liability and safety issues.  Which for a professional SAR team, is hogwash.  Untrained volunteers I can understand.  But professionals are fully trained, and usually have their own coverage and fully know the risks, perhaps better even than LE.  They come ready to search, despite the risks, being fully prepared. 

I've heard more times than not, that the actual reason is because LE wants the find for themselves.  Sounds mean of me to say, yet I've seen it happening in at least two cases, mine included.  It's often the same with psychics.  LE doesn't like to give credit publically if a psychic makes the find rather than them.  This happened with Laci Peterson.  It hurts their 'macho' image.  Sigh. 
   


Wyks, I have a dear friend in LE, state boy who has trained tracking/detector/cadaver dogs and handlers for many, many years.  I kind of get why they don't want others coming in, but by the same token trained groups can imho be invaluable assets--esp. in LE depts that don't have a number of dogs at their immediate beck and call.

One of my fondest wishes is that LE and certified SAR groups come to some agreement that'd more hastily afford SAR groups access to search sites.  Imho there is no room for politics when it comes to searching for a little child.

Oh, I sooooo agree with you! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 12:13:33 AM
This is yet another version of what happened according to the gf "Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, according to Cummings. When she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door was open."

Very suspicious ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yep.  That was the first version I read.  Last count the gf is up to 4 different versions of that one thing.  Wonder what LE is thinking of this? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: dottie on February 14, 2009, 12:19:21 AM
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Turned-Away-From-Search/oamA7eW5HEywT3rjpAAxjQ.cspx

Volunteers Turned Away From Search  Reported by: Cathi Carson
Email: ccarson@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 7:48 pm 

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 Alex Weber and his fellow Urban Search and Rescue team came from Hilton Head to try and help search for Haleigh Cummings.  But when they arrived they were told they couldn't join the effort.

Investigators say liability and safety issues make it impossible to allow uninvited volunteers to take part in the search.  And at this point they have plenty of help.  There were more than 200 volunteers searching the woods along side horses. 


This is so SAD!!  IMO, no professional search team ought to ever be turned away, no matter what!  Am not so sure that all 200 of their volunteers already "invited" have more experience and training than the pro search team! 

This isn't the first missing person's case where the investigators have turned away professional search and rescue teams.  It just burns me up each time that it's done. 

We had a local young man go missing, my son's best friend.  LE and their slew of untrained volunteers looked for all of a week for this young man, then called off the search.  Several months later, it took a man who lived hours away, volunteering his cadaver dog and self, all of less than a day to find his body.  I say GOD BLESS any pro search team willing and able to get involved, and it should be a crime to turn them away! 

IMO. 
 


Wyks, this is one of those deals that folks'll debate 'til the cows come home.  I've said over and over that if our child was missing, we'd be out beating the bushes 'til we collapsed rather than wasting time doing interviews, let alone calling off the search because of nightfall.

I was reading on an FL equine forum earlier.  If folks want to be part of formal SAR, it'd behoove them to find a reputable group and take the appropriate classes/tests for certs. 

I say this because Joe Blow and his dog, no matter what their tracking abilities aren't welcome until after LE and the more "accepted" SAR folks get in there.

Imho, the lag time between someone coming up missing and when full-scale search can be/is implemented is very concerning.  Thank God the dogs were called out pretty quickly in this case.  I hope someone's been out with dogs every day--and into the night.  I don't get professionals calling off the search because of nightfall esp. w/dogs. 

Foggy
 

I bet you're right Foggy, this kind of thing will be debated forever.  I was referring to the acceptable professional SAR teams, these are the ones who have been turned away.  Sounds like the team Klaas reported above was also one.  There were also three, not just one, professional SAR teams turned away in the Stacy Peterson case.  I know one of the members of one of those teams and was following that case closely when it happened.  I just don't understand why this happens in a missing persons case.  The reason given by LE was same as with this case, liability and safety issues.  Which for a professional SAR team, is hogwash.  Untrained volunteers I can understand.  But professionals are fully trained, and usually have their own coverage and fully know the risks, perhaps better even than LE.  They come ready to search, despite the risks, being fully prepared. 

I've heard more times than not, that the actual reason is because LE wants the find for themselves.  Sounds mean of me to say, yet I've seen it happening in at least two cases, mine included.  It's often the same with psychics.  LE doesn't like to give credit publically if a psychic makes the find rather than them.  This happened with Laci Peterson.  It hurts their 'macho' image.  Sigh. 
   
I don't understand this at all...volunteers turned away from a search for a 5 year old girl? I wasn't trained for the search I went on with TES and they were asking for volunteers.....makes no sense to me  ::MonkeyConfused:: Was it because they wanted to head their own search and not be part of the already organized group by TES...that maybe I could understand but otherwise it makes no sense.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: GabbyG on February 14, 2009, 12:27:08 AM
A tent in the yard??  ::MonkeyEek::
What, KFN can't spring for a hotel room??  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I was just thinking the very same thing flamom. I was picturing dad and the little boy having to stay in a tent, and I was wondering why someone, some group maybe, hasnt stepped up and helped them find a way to stay in a motel. Or even take up collections right there in the neighborhood. Why doesnt dad's mom take them into her home until they can go back home? I mean, that's her son and grandson so why hasnt she or someone done something to remedy this? Sure has got my mind going thinking about it. Geeeeezzz, a tent!! How sad is that???

As far as the 17 yo g/f maybe his reason for having her there was to have someone stay with the kids at night while he worked? What I mean to say is, even though he calls her his g/f maybe the reason he is in that situation is because of not being able to find or afford someone to watch the kids while he works the night shift and the situation with the 17 yo solved that problem for him. I hope with all my heart we wont be seeing more of what we have seen in the past as far as finding the missing loved one and closing the case. I pray little Haleigh is found quickly, and safe.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 12:35:29 AM
It's interesting how the bio mom's and all her friends and families my space links are dead now.  I was looking over misty's brothers and her side, so many only 21 yrs old w/3 kids.  She had a lot of little kids around her/in her life, it appears to be what they strive for down there.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 12:41:34 AM
It's also very interesting in the initial police report how they followed this supposed trial of child footprints from the back door and on this long loop that ended near the railroad tracks or as they say the canine lost the scent.  I would also be checking that sex offendor who lives on Monroe again since she evidently wondered down that street.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 14, 2009, 12:43:58 AM
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Turned-Away-From-Search/oamA7eW5HEywT3rjpAAxjQ.cspx

Volunteers Turned Away From Search  Reported by: Cathi Carson
Email: ccarson@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 7:48 pm 

Print Story | Email Story     

 Alex Weber and his fellow Urban Search and Rescue team came from Hilton Head to try and help search for Haleigh Cummings.  But when they arrived they were told they couldn't join the effort.

Investigators say liability and safety issues make it impossible to allow uninvited volunteers to take part in the search.  And at this point they have plenty of help.  There were more than 200 volunteers searching the woods along side horses. 


This is so SAD!!  IMO, no professional search team ought to ever be turned away, no matter what!  Am not so sure that all 200 of their volunteers already "invited" have more experience and training than the pro search team! 

This isn't the first missing person's case where the investigators have turned away professional search and rescue teams.  It just burns me up each time that it's done. 

We had a local young man go missing, my son's best friend.  LE and their slew of untrained volunteers looked for all of a week for this young man, then called off the search.  Several months later, it took a man who lived hours away, volunteering his cadaver dog and self, all of less than a day to find his body.  I say GOD BLESS any pro search team willing and able to get involved, and it should be a crime to turn them away! 

IMO. 
 


Wyks, this is one of those deals that folks'll debate 'til the cows come home.  I've said over and over that if our child was missing, we'd be out beating the bushes 'til we collapsed rather than wasting time doing interviews, let alone calling off the search because of nightfall.

I was reading on an FL equine forum earlier.  If folks want to be part of formal SAR, it'd behoove them to find a reputable group and take the appropriate classes/tests for certs. 

I say this because Joe Blow and his dog, no matter what their tracking abilities aren't welcome until after LE and the more "accepted" SAR folks get in there.

Imho, the lag time between someone coming up missing and when full-scale search can be/is implemented is very concerning.  Thank God the dogs were called out pretty quickly in this case.  I hope someone's been out with dogs every day--and into the night.  I don't get professionals calling off the search because of nightfall esp. w/dogs. 

Foggy
 

I bet you're right Foggy, this kind of thing will be debated forever.  I was referring to the acceptable professional SAR teams, these are the ones who have been turned away.  Sounds like the team Klaas reported above was also one.  There were also three, not just one, professional SAR teams turned away in the Stacy Peterson case.  I know one of the members of one of those teams and was following that case closely when it happened.  I just don't understand why this happens in a missing persons case.  The reason given by LE was same as with this case, liability and safety issues.  Which for a professional SAR team, is hogwash.  Untrained volunteers I can understand.  But professionals are fully trained, and usually have their own coverage and fully know the risks, perhaps better even than LE.  They come ready to search, despite the risks, being fully prepared. 

I've heard more times than not, that the actual reason is because LE wants the find for themselves.  Sounds mean of me to say, yet I've seen it happening in at least two cases, mine included.  It's often the same with psychics.  LE doesn't like to give credit publically if a psychic makes the find rather than them.  This happened with Laci Peterson.  It hurts their 'macho' image.  Sigh. 
   


Wyks, I have a dear friend in LE, state boy who has trained tracking/detector/cadaver dogs and handlers for many, many years.  I kind of get why they don't want others coming in, but by the same token trained groups can imho be invaluable assets--esp. in LE depts that don't have a number of dogs at their immediate beck and call.

One of my fondest wishes is that LE and certified SAR groups come to some agreement that'd more hastily afford SAR groups access to search sites.  Imho there is no room for politics when it comes to searching for a little child.

Oh, I sooooo agree with you! 


I'd like to match you all with the instructor of a class I took on how to take care of our pets in disaters.  No for that subject, but he the biggie of Los Angeles county canine search He and his team were picked immediately to go to Katrina and to Galvestor. (sure has lots of stories to tell)

any is is far what you are trying and maybe that will be the kick clout needed. He is also working on getting Shelters to accept the humans and their dogs, so the rescurers don't have to leave any behind who don't want to leave without their dog.

please email me at charityistheone@earthlink.net if you are interested Can't guarantee any responses until at least the beginning of the week...have to get over this grip first or whatever it is.... it meets the exposure time to the friend which I visited her, having pneumonia.. she died.

I wonder if the LE searching remember that the undercloth of a mobile home (has a business buzz word")can be cut and one can hide in there


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: heykim on February 14, 2009, 12:43:59 AM
i live near where joseph duncan abducted and killed the family and did horrific things to the children that he abducted.... it is a really OUT of the way place... but near a freeway... and apparently he just watched like the freakazoid predator that he was ...and saw the children....

yall wouldnt BELIEVE how wierd of a spot it is that they were taken from.. totally not somewhere you would think your kiddos wouldnt be safe...

i am always freaked out by these seemingly unbelievable abductions ....
yet the predators watch and wait and look for an opportunity...


gah!

It is a weird spot. Guess he saw them from the freeway. I get sad when Ive driven by there. Little white house in the bushes all boarded up and knowing what happened there makes me feel ill.


i know..i try NOT to drive by there... even tho the steak house i liked alot is right near there.. and i DONT go to the dennys where they caught him with shasta EITHER...
okay... honestly i didnt like going there before either *L*... but i REALLLY


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 14, 2009, 12:47:03 AM
It's also very interesting in the initial police report how they followed this supposed trial of child footprints from the back door and on this long loop that ended near the railroad tracks or as they say the canine lost the scent.  I would also be checking that sex offender who lives on Monroe again since she evidently wondered down that street.


cars can drive on rr tracks if you know the train schedule


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 12:50:08 AM
It's interesting how the bio mom's and all her friends and families my space links are dead now.  I was looking over misty's brothers and her side, so many only 21 yrs old w/3 kids.  She had a lot of little kids around her/in her life, it appears to be what they strive for down there.

I don't think the Myspace sites are down, I think the links Today copied my be broken. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: heykim on February 14, 2009, 12:50:39 AM
i live near where joseph duncan abducted and killed the family and did horrific things to the children that he abducted.... it is a really OUT of the way place... but near a freeway... and apparently he just watched like the freakazoid predator that he was ...and saw the children....

yall wouldnt BELIEVE how wierd of a spot it is that they were taken from.. totally not somewhere you would think your kiddos wouldnt be safe...

i am always freaked out by these seemingly unbelievable abductions ....
yet the predators watch and wait and look for an opportunity...


gah!

It is a weird spot. Guess he saw them from the freeway. I get sad when Ive driven by there. Little white house in the bushes all boarded up and knowing what happened there makes me feel ill.


i know..i try NOT to drive by there... even tho the steak house i liked alot is right near there.. and i DONT go to the dennys where they caught him with shasta EITHER...
okay... honestly i didnt like going there before either *L*... but i REALLLY dont even like to drive BY  it now...it makes me sad... even tho it SHOULD be a cause for celebration...it isnt..

i read the letters (in the newspaper)... shasta wrote.... in her little handwriting   and it makes me HATE that man with a passion...
sicko freakazoid...

edited cause i hit the wrong button and didnt finish my post..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 12:52:20 AM
It's also very interesting in the initial police report how they followed this supposed trial of child footprints from the back door and on this long loop that ended near the railroad tracks or as they say the canine lost the scent.  I would also be checking that sex offender who lives on Monroe again since she evidently wondered down that street.


cars can drive on rr tracks if you know the train schedule

I didn't know that.  A car is what bothers me too, the perp could of seen her and followed her than took the opportunity.  It is entirely possible w/misty she left that door open and is so guilt ridden she is screwing everything up.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 12:54:12 AM
It's interesting how the bio mom's and all her friends and families my space links are dead now.  I was looking over misty's brothers and her side, so many only 21 yrs old w/3 kids.  She had a lot of little kids around her/in her life, it appears to be what they strive for down there.

I don't think the Myspace sites are down, I think the links Today copied my be broken. 

Cool, that sent my alarm bell right off.  I will try a search. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cheerio on February 14, 2009, 01:01:43 AM
This is yet another version of what happened according to the gf "Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, according to Cummings. When she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door was open."

Very suspicious ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yep.  That was the first version I read.  Last count the gf is up to 4 different versions of that one thing.  Wonder what LE is thinking of this? 

Yup. The gf is up to her spaghettios in this. Just hope the dad isn't involved, but I'm leaning towards them both covering up. If it was just the gf, I think Cummings would  gotten it out of her by now. I sure hope I'm wrong but their angst doesn't ring true to me. Just like a certain KC. Maybe LE is just waiting til they turn on each other. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: heykim on February 14, 2009, 01:02:20 AM
i live near where joseph duncan abducted and killed the family and did horrific things to the children that he abducted.... it is a really OUT of the way place... but near a freeway... and apparently he just watched like the freakazoid predator that he was ...and saw the children....

yall wouldnt BELIEVE how wierd of a spot it is that they were taken from.. totally not somewhere you would think your kiddos wouldnt be safe...

i am always freaked out by these seemingly unbelievable abductions ....
yet the predators watch and wait and look for an opportunity...


gah!


HeyKim, what folks don't seem to get is that lowlives practice their "trade" for a living.  I've known this for decades.  Where is everyone?

And its always seemed that the predators are the most driven.  :gaah: back atcha.




i KNOW... makes me CRAZY... i used to let my grandson walk to the bus from out our door... rural area... no homes within site even... until i heard about that predator that fricken FOLLOWED SCHOOL BUSES and picked his prey.... and watch... and watched..

then... i decided i would WAIT until he got ON the bus... and we had a code that he would yell at me until he got ON the bus... and i would watch him until he got on..


course he thought i was nuts... i guess i am... but i WILL not allow a child to wait for a school bus alone EVER again.. NEVER.. not in the middle of a city...not in the middle of the boonies...

and he isnt a baby... HE thinks hes all grown up..

welll tooooooo bad for him.. grammy isnt going to let THAT stand in my way... i am covert about how i let it APPEAR that he doesnt have gram holding his hand till he got on.. but still i didnt let him do it alone EVER again....

these freaks of nature are out there.. they are EVERYWHERE (if you dont believe it... check the site where it TELLS you where they are..it is FRIGHTENING)...

parents and families need to be vigilant.... and keep ahead of it.... and TRY to make them as safe as we can...


(course my 6 year old grandson HATES going in the womens restroom with me in  stores or malls.. TOUGH!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: beachwego on February 14, 2009, 01:06:20 AM
An article I found at www.gainesville.com  (sorry I do not know how to add a link).  perhaps it is a local (close by) newspaper website.  There were other interesting articles there that I have not seen discussed here. 

Misty Croslin, who was watching Haleigh, tells about herself[/size][/size]

By Cindy Swirko
Staff writer

Published: Friday, February 13, 2009 at 2:25 p.m.
Last Modified: Friday, February 13, 2009 at 2:25 p.m.

PALATKA - Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father, has been a key figure in this story. During an interview Friday afternoon, Croslin shared some information about herself:

- She is originally from Michigan. She has lived in Florida for about seven years. Croslin has lived in various parts of the state, including Daytona, where she lived with her brother.

- She has lived in Putnam County off and on for about a year. Her parents live here. She said she prefers city life.

- Croslin has been dating Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for about five months. She lives with him.

- Croslin does not go to school; she hasn't for a while. She signed up for GED classes but never went.

- On the night Haleigh went missing, the girl was sleeping in the master bedroom of the doublewide mobile home on Green Lane in Satsuma. There are two beds in that room. Haleigh was in the one that was right in front of the TV; Croslin and Ronald Jr., age 2, were in the second bed.

- Croslin said the children are like family to her. Cummings works the night shift, and she watches the children.

"I always stay with the kids," she said. "I had them 24/7, except for the four days out of the month when they would go to their mom's."

- Croslin addressed the issue of someone her age watching such young children in this capacity. "I've been babysitting since I was 11," she said. "I have three nieces and two nephews and one on the way, and I've watched all of them."


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 14, 2009, 01:07:58 AM
to drive on the rails with a car depends on the gauge of the track and the width between the tires.

Could some had one of those hand cars used on the RR and then just used that to go to another reg/ car or could have jumped the train. Maybe the trains slows for "drugs"


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 14, 2009, 01:10:36 AM
Is there a water tower along there? or do trains ever use those any more?  seems the RR goes pretty far up and down the state


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: jaggard19 on February 14, 2009, 01:12:16 AM
The great part of sex offender lists is that they tell you where the SO lives NOW.  The bad part of those lists is that they do not tell you where they lived last month, or two, three or four months ago.  It has been stated that Ronnie and his kids moved in to that mobile home about four months ago, then who lived there before?  Could have been a SO, family of a SO, or friend of a SO.

I am of the opinion that the 17-year-old "girl friend", babysitter, housekeeper, is the one to be looked out much more closely.  When this story first broke, I felt that maybe she left the home after the kids were in bed so she could have some fun time with someone before the Daddy got home.  When she came back, Haleigh was gone and she had to come up with a story to cover her arzz.  I think Haleigh saw the door open and tried to find the 17-year-old and wandered off or someone who knew the house, watched the house, and wanted Haleigh and  knew the habits of not only the father but also the 17-year-old. 

Back to lurking now....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 01:14:27 AM
- Croslin addressed the issue of someone her age watching such young children in this capacity. "I've been babysitting since I was 11," she said. "I have three nieces and two nephews and one on the way, and I've watched all of them."

Yes, I saw this on her brothers and other websites, she's literally surrounded by munchkins.  And her brother I believe w/2 children lives within walking distance of this house.  Two girls I think, if you go to the site there are more pic's of Haleigh.  I don't find it at all unusual in some parts of the US it's just what is done. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: heykim on February 14, 2009, 01:16:52 AM
- Croslin addressed the issue of someone her age watching such young children in this capacity. "I've been babysitting since I was 11," she said. "I have three nieces and two nephews and one on the way, and I've watched all of them."

Yes, I saw this on her brothers and other websites, she's literally surrounded by munchkins.  And her brother I believe w/2 children lives within walking distance of this house.  Two girls I think, if you go to the site there are more pic's of Haleigh.  I don't find it at all unusual in some parts of the US it's just what is done. 


ive seen it in ALL parts of the US... kids toting kids around... kids watching kids.. kids HAVING kids...

i see it all the time...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 01:22:19 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSX_Transportation  This link has a pic of track in Jacksonville. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 01:25:50 AM
- Croslin addressed the issue of someone her age watching such young children in this capacity. "I've been babysitting since I was 11," she said. "I have three nieces and two nephews and one on the way, and I've watched all of them."

Yes, I saw this on her brothers and other websites, she's literally surrounded by munchkins.  And her brother I believe w/2 children lives within walking distance of this house.  Two girls I think, if you go to the site there are more pic's of Haleigh.  I don't find it at all unusual in some parts of the US it's just what is done. 


ive seen it in ALL parts of the US... kids toting kids around... kids watching kids.. kids HAVING kids...

i see it all the time...

Exactly, some find it weird and don't think a 17 yr old should be responsible for 2 minor children, hell, they should come to my state where you can a leave a minor 8 yr old home alone.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 14, 2009, 01:26:06 AM
Oh maybe the ac man propped the door open. Maybe it was hot for him! Or maybe since he sees lots of home, he himself is not a ped but helps some buddies.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 14, 2009, 01:31:33 AM
I saw that there were 44 sex offenders within a 5 mile radius.  And can't remember how many there were in Adji's area... but there were a lot.

Do all sex offenders head to Florida?  Or do they just have a "better" tracking method there and we all live with that many around us and don't know it?  Geez...it is so damn scary.

Am praying that this is not the case, but what else could it be if they have all passed lie detectors?

Many states and cities have them. Maybe they like the warm weather. Sure are many of them in CA












Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 01:34:31 AM
pic of csx railroad track in jacksonville, hope I blow the site up, never posted a pic before.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 01:35:35 AM
I meant to say I hope I don't blow the site up!  Ha! Ha!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 14, 2009, 01:36:44 AM
I watched NG and they had Pat Brown on, a former profiler for the FBI.
She had some good ideas about who the kids were in contact with, who came to the house, where they went.
It doesn't even have to be someone they knew, but someone who knew that he was gone from the house at night. Last night, they said they were going back thirty days and checking infomation out, probably for that reason.
Maybe I've been too hard on the gf and the Dad. Bad past for the Dad, gf seems rather
dumb. Agree that she might have left the house for a while and is covering that up out of fear of him.
Think maybe the Anthony thing affected us, they lied about everything.
With the Lunsford one, Couey saw them and I guess was just in wait. Mark Lunsford had never laid eyes on any of the ppl in the trailer that was just kitty corner from him.
Very disturbing that so many SO nearby. One on every block it seems.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 01:36:52 AM
I meant to say I hope I don't blow the site up!  Ha! Ha!

kaBoom.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 01:41:31 AM
The great part of sex offender lists is that they tell you where the SO lives NOW.  The bad part of those lists is that they do not tell you where they lived last month, or two, three or four months ago.  It has been stated that Ronnie and his kids moved in to that mobile home about four months ago, then who lived there before?  Could have been a SO, family of a SO, or friend of a SO.

I am of the opinion that the 17-year-old "girl friend", babysitter, housekeeper, is the one to be looked out much more closely.  When this story first broke, I felt that maybe she left the home after the kids were in bed so she could have some fun time with someone before the Daddy got home.  When she came back, Haleigh was gone and she had to come up with a story to cover her arzz.  I think Haleigh saw the door open and tried to find the 17-year-old and wandered off or someone who knew the house, watched the house, and wanted Haleigh and  knew the habits of not only the father but also the 17-year-old. 

Back to lurking now....


Jaggard, I heard that!  Or now they say absconded, what the he!! is absconded?!?  Just joking.  Yes, I agree on Misty I think she may have made a dumb mistake and is now too afraid to tell.  I mean  Ronald the father doesn't seem to me to be the nicest guy she could of picked.  Hopefully she'll get wise to his degrading ways soon.  I read on another blog it could of been another guy friend who pretended to like her but really liked the kid, how creepy is that?!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: heykim on February 14, 2009, 01:42:19 AM
- Croslin addressed the issue of someone her age watching such young children in this capacity. "I've been babysitting since I was 11," she said. "I have three nieces and two nephews and one on the way, and I've watched all of them."

Yes, I saw this on her brothers and other websites, she's literally surrounded by munchkins.  And her brother I believe w/2 children lives within walking distance of this house.  Two girls I think, if you go to the site there are more pic's of Haleigh.  I don't find it at all unusual in some parts of the US it's just what is done. 


ive seen it in ALL parts of the US... kids toting kids around... kids watching kids.. kids HAVING kids...

i see it all the time...

Exactly, some find it weird and don't think a 17 yr old should be responsible for 2 minor children, hell, they should come to my state where you can a leave a minor 8 yr old home alone.



i am freaked out by kids taking PLANES by themself at 12... makes me CRAZY..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 01:46:19 AM
- Croslin addressed the issue of someone her age watching such young children in this capacity. "I've been babysitting since I was 11," she said. "I have three nieces and two nephews and one on the way, and I've watched all of them."

Yes, I saw this on her brothers and other websites, she's literally surrounded by munchkins.  And her brother I believe w/2 children lives within walking distance of this house.  Two girls I think, if you go to the site there are more pic's of Haleigh.  I don't find it at all unusual in some parts of the US it's just what is done. 


ive seen it in ALL parts of the US... kids toting kids around... kids watching kids.. kids HAVING kids...

i see it all the time...

Exactly, some find it weird and don't think a 17 yr old should be responsible for 2 minor children, hell, they should come to my state where you can a leave a minor 8 yr old home alone.



i am freaked out by kids taking PLANES by themself at 12... makes me CRAZY..


Sorry for the OT on this, but my 8 yr old niece told me this and that her mother had checked the law and said it was ok, I sure enough looked it up and I belong to a latch key state, 8 yrs old alone, I told my bro I'd beat his ass if he did it!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 14, 2009, 01:50:23 AM
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902121020/0/SPORTS0102#

There is a pic here of exact location of the home this family lived in. Toward the bottom.

I can't get the copy thingie to work. Maybe someone can bring it here.

also google shows it here, I believe they are the same.

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wl


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: heykim on February 14, 2009, 01:53:13 AM
- Croslin addressed the issue of someone her age watching such young children in this capacity. "I've been babysitting since I was 11," she said. "I have three nieces and two nephews and one on the way, and I've watched all of them."

Yes, I saw this on her brothers and other websites, she's literally surrounded by munchkins.  And her brother I believe w/2 children lives within walking distance of this house.  Two girls I think, if you go to the site there are more pic's of Haleigh.  I don't find it at all unusual in some parts of the US it's just what is done. 


ive seen it in ALL parts of the US... kids toting kids around... kids watching kids.. kids HAVING kids...

i see it all the time...

Exactly, some find it weird and don't think a 17 yr old should be responsible for 2 minor children, hell, they should come to my state where you can a leave a minor 8 yr old home alone.



i am freaked out by kids taking PLANES by themself at 12... makes me CRAZY..


Sorry for the OT on this, but my 8 yr old niece told me this and that her mother had checked the law and said it was ok, I sure enough looked it up and I belong to a latch key state, 8 yrs old alone, I told my bro I'd beat his ass if he did it!

thank you! i sometimes feel like i am the ONLY person on the planet who would feel that way..
kids are left on their own way toooooo much in my opinion..
when i was little, our parents left us 5 kids on our own till they got home.. TO THIS DAY i remember a creepy old man who was in the neighborhood who stuck his hand in our mail slot hinged door thingy and i saw him peering in...

they say he had mental problems... was harmless...

well harmless my ARSE.. i STILL can see it in my mind to this DAY...

my brother was oh. probably about 13.... and believe ME, i dont see kids that young being on their own AT ALL...


*sigh*...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 01:54:57 AM
this pic?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 01:57:09 AM
See I just used my newly discovered skills!  No Kaboom! Yaaa!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 14, 2009, 01:57:38 AM
this pic?

Yes, thank you so much.

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 14, 2009, 02:00:26 AM
Klaas

Will you add this caption under the pic?

This aerial photograph from 2008 shows the location of the mobile home at 202 Green Lane in Putnam County where Haleigh Cummings, 5, was reported missing. At the far left is the St. Johns River.
PUTNAM COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE


Thank you,

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 02:01:01 AM
From this map you can really see it would of been alot of ground for a 5 yr old to be covering by herself if that police report w/the child footprints is true, but w/ all the typos in this case who knows.  They say child footprints went out the backdoor thru a path in the woods out to green ln/ave? down to monroe, on to buchanon circle and than to the railroad tracks?  Have they checked Misty's foot prints to this so called childs footprint?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 02:04:50 AM
And isn't the Cummings lot atleast a 1/4 acre?  I thought I saw that somewhere.  That's alot of space to be walking for a five yr old at night by herself.  I'm serious, I cry fowl, I want to see Misty's footprint!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 02:05:02 AM
Murt Inserting Himself…AGAIN!

 (http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=556)
I am not a happy camper at all. I have just been advised that Murt has supposedly gone to Satsuma with the hoopty news van and a motor home. From what I was told, he did do the right thing with the $500 from the Mt. Dora bench money, as he said he is going to donate to TES for search efforts, but other than that WHY is he going up there? There is NO reason for him to be in Putnam County; nor is there reason for him to stick his nose into yet another missing child case.

I am asking everyone that reads here to start contacting the local media and Sheriff’s office up there and tell them about Murt and his history of inserting himself into cases and using the missing child as a bankroll. I do hope that once Josh Duckett sets his eyes on ol’ Murt that he tells him a thing or twenty and tells him to get his ass out of Dodge. You remember Josh, don’t ya Murt? The father that you LIED to that you were a US Marshall and that his son would be returned on January 12th? Freakin’ piece of crap that he is. Every time I think of how he toyed with that family’s emotions, I could just spit.

Please contact the press - contact local law enforcement. Contact national media if you have to, but Murt needs to GO HOME!!!



From what I remember about the little econ fiasco, it was LP who asked Murt the day before to have his "media" truck at the little econ, and LP mentioned that Murt was a friend................so, draw your own conclusions about his presence. Maybe LP contacted him to provide media coverage and maybe not.......now, Murt is "saying" that he is going to donate the money from the bench to TES-but, wasn't he the one who on air asked his listeners to NOT donate to TES and if they did to ask for it back? Maybe I'm totally confused, but that's my recollection from the little econ search ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 02:07:06 AM
Well this gives me alot to think about.  I'll check in on you folks tomorrow.  Nighty Night to all and prayers for Haleigh being somewhere safe and well. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 02:14:30 AM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Under name type in  = CUMMINGS%

Then click on search

Look for Ronald Lemyles Cummings  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


I still don't see anything related to children.

Drugs, hunting violations including tresspassing and traffic but only one assault which was with man and apparently dropped.

Is there a number for the one involving children?



Well, for one we KNOW that DCS has been involved with this "family" the da, gf and the kids because the sheriff mentioned it in a presser, but refused to give details???

I want to know what went on in that trailer that has DCS involved with this family living in the trailer..........something is up for sure, maybe neglect, maybe some type of abuse. We probably wont know because IIRC those records are sealed.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 14, 2009, 02:14:31 AM
From this map you can really see it would of been alot of ground for a 5 yr old to be covering by herself if that police report w/the child footprints is true, but w/ all the typos in this case who knows.  They say child footprints went out the backdoor thru a path in the woods out to green ln/ave? down to monroe, on to buchanon circle and than to the railroad tracks?   Have they checked Misty's foot prints to this so called childs footprint?

This is really odd to me..if you go straight out Green Lane, it turns into Monroe Alley which ends at Hunter Rd. Railroad is straight ahead, only railroad I see in that area.

Opposite direction of Buchanon Circle..Unless I am missing a railroad..

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wl

OS



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 14, 2009, 02:14:53 AM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Under name type in  = CUMMINGS%

Then click on search

Look for Ronald Lemyles Cummings  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wow!  Oh, my...




OK, I also went to the Civil Docket and here Ronald Cumming is the Petitioner/Plaintiff, the one filing the complaint and not the one against whom the complaint was filed.

I guess this is when he was awarded custody of the kids.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 02:19:08 AM
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902121020/0/SPORTS0102#

There is a pic here of exact location of the home this family lived in. Toward the bottom.

I can't get the copy thingie to work. Maybe someone can bring it here.

also google shows it here, I believe they are the same.

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wl

Yeah, they are using code on their site so you cannot copy the location of images. Probably to keep people from hotlinking them.

Here it is:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image46.jpg)

I captured the screen and uploaded it to my photobucket account.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 02:19:39 AM
Search on for missing
sexual predator
Last Edited: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:36 PM EST
Created On: Friday, 13 Feb 2009, 5:35 PM EST

- The Marion County Sheriffs office is asking for he publics help in finding a missing man who happens to be a registered sexual predator.

Authorities said Chad Reynolds, 25, was last seen on February 1 in the Ocklawaha area. He reportedly borrowed a vehicle from a friend then called later to say he had broken down near a Wal-Mart in the Villages near the Marion/Lake County line. The vehicle was later found south of Marion County.

Reynolds is still missing and has not contacted his family. A warrant has been issued for Reynolds for violation of his probation.

Anyone with information regarding Reynolds whereabouts is asked to call the Marion County Sheriffs Office at 732-9111 or Crime Stoppers at 368-STOP.



ONLY less than a 2 hour drive from Ocklawaha to Satsuma.  Anyone think it possible???

Yes it is a possibility especially if someone left the door to Ron's backdoor unlocked

The only problem I have with this is that predators usually hunt in their own back yard........their comfot zone. If it was a SO, it is more likely that it would be one who lives in that area.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cheerio on February 14, 2009, 02:22:57 AM
From this map you can really see it would of been alot of ground for a 5 yr old to be covering by herself if that police report w/the child footprints is true, but w/ all the typos in this case who knows.  They say child footprints went out the backdoor thru a path in the woods out to green ln/ave? down to monroe, on to buchanon circle and than to the railroad tracks?  Have they checked Misty's foot prints to this so called childs footprint?

And it was said that she didn't have shoes. So someone would have to carry her. How come no one heard a 5 year old screaming in the dead of night. Chloroform again?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 14, 2009, 02:25:50 AM
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902121020/0/SPORTS0102#

There is a pic here of exact location of the home this family lived in. Toward the bottom.

I can't get the copy thingie to work. Maybe someone can bring it here.

also google shows it here, I believe they are the same.

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wl

Yeah, they are using code on their site so you cannot copy the location of images. Probably to keep people from hotlinking them.

Here it is:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image46.jpg)

I captured the screen and uploaded it to my photobucket account.


Brandi,

Thank you

Will you add it to the Map thread and add the caption under pic?

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 14, 2009, 02:28:58 AM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Under name type in  = CUMMINGS%

Then click on search

Look for Ronald Lemyles Cummings  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wow!!  This dude is not exactly material for dad of the year, is he!  Thanks Klaas for this find! 


klaas, thanks for the link.

I also looked up that SO named K.S. Johns who lives 1/2 mile away. (He also rents from the same landlord) His sexual offense involved a minor child.


He would probably be aware of the children living there if it's a place his landlord also rented.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 02:29:25 AM
Klaas

Will you add this caption under the pic?

This aerial photograph from 2008 shows the location of the mobile home at 202 Green Lane in Putnam County where Haleigh Cummings, 5, was reported missing. At the far left is the St. Johns River.
PUTNAM COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE


Thank you,

OS

I didn't see Klaas here, so I did this for you, OS.

Is this what you want?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/ForOS.gif)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 14, 2009, 02:31:03 AM
Klaas

Will you add this caption under the pic?

This aerial photograph from 2008 shows the location of the mobile home at 202 Green Lane in Putnam County where Haleigh Cummings, 5, was reported missing. At the far left is the St. Johns River.
PUTNAM COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE


Thank you,

OS

I didn't see Klaas here, so I did this for you, OS.

Is this what you want?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/ForOS.gif)

Yes thank you

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 02:32:11 AM
OS:

I added it to the map thread.

;-)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 14, 2009, 02:35:23 AM
OS:

I added it to the map thread.

;-)

thank you, sorry to be such a pain.


OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 14, 2009, 02:36:20 AM
Yes, we know that child sexual predators so often follow school buses.  I wonder if Haleigh rode the school bus and if the driver noticed anybody suspicious.

She could have encountered a pervert any where.  School, grocery store, etc. who started watching and stalking her unknown to anyone.

Most of the father's brushes with the law appear to be minor.  Hunting voilations are not that uncommon as people get caught doing that all the time in this rural area where I live.  I am amazed at how stupid some of them are, too.  Like no game warden is going to notice blaring spotlights in the middle of the night.

We had a wonderful and most talented carpenter who we had to go pay bail on one time as he was in the middle of putting down wood flooring.  They kept his $1000 rifle and scope, too, confiscated it.  I asked him why he drank so much and he told me it was the only way he could think of to get the alcohol in himself.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


He had two little kids and was very good father other than his brushes with LE.

.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 02:37:19 AM
OS:

I added it to the map thread.

;-)

thank you, sorry to be such a pain.


OS

No problem! LOL

But if I knew what you wanted done, I could have just typed in the caption in the thread. Instead, I added borders to the picture and added the caption to the image. LOL

Happy to help ;-)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 14, 2009, 02:48:28 AM
I think the gf is young, dumb and scared.  I think she is afraid of the father a bit and perhaps also of being charged with some sort of neglect of a child.  She also could have been doing something relatively harmless like going to visit a neighbor after kids went to sleep or even smoking pot that clouded her memory and thinking ability at the time.

While all these cases have made us become jaded and we tend to think the worse of everything and everybody, I will hold off actually stating anything until there is some kind of proof of any family involvement.  Not all family likely involved but they could read hurtful things posted.

And all that water everywhere there are bound to be gators all over the place as well as snakes.  I still wonder if Haleigh ever was known to sleep walk.  I hope and pray she is found soon but these things so seldom have a happy ending.

Maybe tomorrow will bring us some good news.  It is early in her disappearance and still possible for a good outcome.  Each day that passes, the chances become less but remember others have been found much later as well.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 14, 2009, 02:52:55 AM
BTW, Satsuma is also the name of a very sweet and wonderful tasting orange for those who might not know this.  They are my second fav next to Clementines.  They do not ship well and so I don't know if they make it to other parts of the country far away but in deep south are a big favorite and special.  I hope this child is found safe and the orange remains what this area is famous for and not a horrific crime.


.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 02:54:18 AM
Yes, we know that child sexual predators so often follow school buses.  I wonder if Haleigh rode the school bus and if the driver noticed anybody suspicious.

She could have encountered a pervert any where.  School, grocery store, etc. who started watching and stalking her unknown to anyone.

Most of the father's brushes with the law appear to be minor.  Hunting voilations are not that uncommon as people get caught doing that all the time in this rural area where I live.  I am amazed at how stupid some of them are, too.  Like no game warden is going to notice blaring spotlights in the middle of the night.

We had a wonderful and most talented carpenter who we had to go pay bail on one time as he was in the middle of putting down wood flooring.  They kept his $1000 rifle and scope, too, confiscated it.  I asked him why he drank so much and he told me it was the only way he could think of to get the alcohol in himself.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


He had two little kids and was very good father other than his brushes with LE.

.

Maybe his brushes with the law are minor, but why has DCS been involved........the sheriif mentioned that thru DCS they are aware of problems with Cummings, Crosling (the gf) and the kids. That wouldn't appear on a docket.........those records are usually sealed, so what is in those........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 14, 2009, 02:54:50 AM
Ok, I am going to go out on a limb here, hope I don't fall off.

Today Marie (maternal gm) was asked if Crystals side of family had taken Poly.

She said they have been ask to, have filled out the paper work but had not taken it yet.

We know that Ronald and Misty have taken it. IF one or both had failed it, there would be no need for others to take it imo.

If Crystal takes a poly, wouldn't that tell us that Ronald and Misty have been ruled out as suspects? Not saying that Crystal or her family are involved, just trying to

piece some of this together.

If Crystal and family does not take a poly soon, then doesn't that tell us that it is not needed because they have a suspect, just not naming one yet?

One thing for sure LE is not leaking anything in this case.

Just some of my thoughts tonight..

Be Gentle please..

OS





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: GabbyG on February 14, 2009, 02:57:44 AM
This case scares me...I'm not going to speculate on anything.  I just wanted to comment on the 17 year old gf. 

I'm a single mom of one.  I have not gotten a decent nights sleep since my son's birth and have chocked it up that I probably won't get another until he's off on his own.  Every stretch, every roll over, every cough, every mumble, every snore is heard by me.  I check on him during the night.  Every day when he gets dressed I make it a point to memorize what he's wearing, just in case he doesn't get off the bus from school.  I might be over protective, but that is the way I choose to be.  I do not think that this 17 year old has the ability to comprehend the responsibility of taking care of these children.  I'm not saying that 17 year olds can't be good parents, when they are their birth parents.  JMO but watching someone elses children and having your own are two totally different things.  Why was she?  So sad the birth mother couldn't step up...

I don't know if this makes any sense, but there's my 2 cents.  Lovin


Hi Lovin...your post definitely does make sense. I can totally relate to what you said about worrying about your kids. The only thing I would add is that where you said that you would probably be that way until your son was off on his own, and I just wanted to say that for me it didnt get better after my kids left home, the worrying was as bad or worse, still is today. This reminds me of when I got my oldest out of diapers. I was so excited and told my Mom that the hard part was over...yippeee   LOL  She said oh no, definitely not true. She said that the hard part hadnt even begun yet. She said it never gets easier but gets harder as kids get older. I didnt understand her way back then, but boy I sure do now!  LOL


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: EverySunset on February 14, 2009, 03:01:21 AM
I'm so afraid! I think maybe a ped was watching the trailer & the GF would leave to hang out with others, friends, another bf, or her nearby family. Maybe the ped knew she left at night or just happened to see her leave that night. Went in when the gf was gone & snatched the baby. Or she had a bf over & he waited until she fell asleep & took the baby. Because of this, she feels it is all her fault the baby is gone & is certain everyone else will blame her/hate her. I'm sure they would all blame her/hate her, the mom's family already does, but she still needs to come clean if she's not telling the truth. It would feel awful to admit, first of all, that you are cheating, and then the cheating, ultimately lead to putting these children in danger.

I feel she is scared sh*tless to reveal what she may have been doing when dad was at work. I agree that she is afraid of the dad. Admitting you were cheating to anyone isn't easy, but someone you're afraid of? To admit that you left children unattended or let predators (unknowingly) in the home, which led to the baby's abduction would be hard. Now admitting that your CHEATING LED TO THE ABDUCTION OF THE CHILD of the person you are afraid of is even more scary. She not only has to admit that to the bf she's afraid of, but the family, the bio mom & her family, the police, & THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHING.

I mean if they ask her if anyone else had been over there, she would have to say "so & so", then when asked, "who is that?" She would have to say, "the person I schtup when the dad's at work!" I understand how scary this all must be for her, but she needs to start talking!

I also think an intruder could have propped the door open for all the reasons stated, plus, leaving carrying a child, the door would slam behind you. That could wake someone up in time to see what is happening & who is doing it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 03:03:04 AM
Ok, I am going to go out on a limb here, hope I don't fall off.

Today Marie (maternal gm) was asked if Crystals side of family had taken Poly.

She said they have been ask to, have filled out the paper work but had not taken it yet.

We know that Ronald and Misty have taken it. IF one or both had failed it, there would be no need for others to take it imo.

If Crystal takes a poly, wouldn't that tell us that Ronald and Misty have been ruled out as suspects? Not saying that Crystal or her family are involved, just trying to

piece some of this together.

If Crystal and family does not take a poly soon, then doesn't that tell us that it is not needed because they have a suspect, just not naming one yet?

One thing for sure LE is not leaking anything in this case.

Just some of my thoughts tonight..

Be Gentle please..

OS





I agree with you.......I think LE has a pretty good idea of what happened, and are extremely tight lipped about this case. The fact LE refuses to disclose the results of dad and gf's poly and have had to re-interview gf twice leads me to believe either they are directly involved or that th gf went out after the kids were asleep, and is petrified of dad and won't fess up, MOO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cheerio on February 14, 2009, 03:06:09 AM
BTW, Satsuma is also the name of a very sweet and wonderful tasting orange for those who might not know this.  They are my second fav next to Clementines.  They do not ship well and so I don't know if they make it to other parts of the country far away but in deep south are a big favorite and special.  I hope this child is found safe and the orange remains what this area is famous for and not a horrific crime.


.
Hey Anna, Yum! you're making my mouth water. My favorite are the delicious Honeybells we get every year as a special treat from FL. My dad used to have a house in the Keys that I sure do miss. And of course I agree that this little girl will be reunited with her family safe and sound.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 03:20:38 AM
 ::MonkeyEek:: Interesting post about e-polygraphs........taken from another blog so taking it with a grain of salt, that being said there are ways to detect lies thru voice stress analysis.

"..Roger at MKII Systems ran that video interview through the EPG software (e-polygraph) over 3 separate hours and the results and graphs were the same on all 3 occasions. The program determined that they were both being deceptive in their answers at 76.1%. They went on to conclude that the father may be covering up for the 17 year old and that the 17 year old as well as the father know exactly what happened to the little girl..we expect both the father and the 17 year old will be charged next week.."



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Blumonkey on February 14, 2009, 03:28:57 AM
Something that is really not sitting right with me is the timing of the girlfriend supposedly getting up to use the restroom.  Awfully close to the time her boyfriend was supposed to be getting home, wasn't it?  Coincidence?  I think not.  I think she had left the house and was just getting in.   

I think this could account for her "evolving" story - she's trying to cover that fact up, even though she may not be directly involved in the alleged abduction.   

If Haleigh wasn't abducted, then it's possible that something else happened while the girlfriend was gone which led to Haleigh being harmed or worse.

That's my take on things......at this point anyway.
When I was 17 I never had to get up at night to go to the bathroom.Most teenagers do not, especially if they went to bed only 5 hours earlier.Also,why would the intruder turn the kitchen light on? I am afraid something is not right here.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 14, 2009, 03:32:53 AM
http://twitter.com/GSReporters

father just handed over custody of son to police

mother is not present at her camp

Press conferences for now have been scheduled for 4pm saturday and sunday

A fews things from that site.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 03:39:11 AM
http://twitter.com/GSReporters

father just handed over custody of son to police

mother is not present at her camp

Press conferences for now have been scheduled for 4pm saturday and sunday

A fews things from that site.


 ::MonkeyEek:: I wonder if that has anything to do with DCS involvement PRIOR to the child going missing??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 14, 2009, 03:42:33 AM
we know that the grandmother said Crystal had her son earlier this evening, so that first line doesn't even make sense now that I think about it.

I think I better go to bed, my brain is not working..

Nite all

OS



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 14, 2009, 03:44:21 AM
http://twitter.com/GSReporters

father just handed over custody of son to police

mother is not present at her camp

Press conferences for now have been scheduled for 4pm saturday and sunday

A fews things from that site.



I'm either confused or really behind, not sure which  ... did you watch Nancy Grace?  Crystal's mother was talking about Crystal had to go to the hospital earlier today due to dehydration from not eating/drinking properly, and said that she had the little boy and was with her boyfriend... that the 3 of them were together in a safe place and Crystal was regaining strength from being able to have time with her son, this is her weekend to have the children. 

So then does this mean that she had to give up the child to the father and then he was given to the police ? 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 03:49:30 AM
we know that the grandmother said Crystal had her son earlier this evening, so that first line doesn't even make sense now that I think about it.

I think I better go to bed, my brain is not working..

Nite all

OS



Good night, OS. I am headed that way too.

Good night monkeys.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/TinyHouseGoodnight2.gif)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 04:50:55 AM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf


Police report PDF

This report states she was in a pink shirt and tan shorts...........i thought first gf stated pj's, then pink shirt and underwear.....not where do the tan shorts come in?


Also she states that she got up to get a drink of water and notice Haleigh was missing, THEN she ran around frantically looking for her and then noticed the back door was open...........so, how many differnt stories has she told so far, around 5 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Lucinda on February 14, 2009, 05:20:33 AM
BTW, Satsuma is also the name of a very sweet and wonderful tasting orange for those who might not know this.  They are my second fav next to Clementines.  They do not ship well and so I don't know if they make it to other parts of the country far away but in deep south are a big favorite and special.  I hope this child is found safe and the orange remains what this area is famous for and not a horrific crime.


.

I have just ventured in here.  God bless little Haleigh.  Anna, in australia, Satsuma are red plums. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Lucinda on February 14, 2009, 05:43:20 AM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf


Police report PDF

This report states she was in a pink shirt and tan shorts...........i thought first gf stated pj's, then pink shirt and underwear.....not where do the tan shorts come in?


Also she states that she got up to get a drink of water and notice Haleigh was missing, THEN she ran around frantically looking for her and then noticed the back door was open...........so, how many differnt stories has she told so far, around 5 ::MonkeyNoNo::


oh dear this sounds very suss.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 14, 2009, 06:13:10 AM
These inconsistencies are driving me bonkers.  Whether the media is partly to blame or the gf.

The only thing I am comfortable with is when the Dad was on NG the first night and Marc Klaas told him..you are doing all the right things cooperating with LE and taking the Poly so they can concentrate on someone else.  His reply was "Why not?  I have nothing to hide." 

IMO, a guilty person his age wouldn't have taken one, nor had that "quick" response.  Now, the gf said she had to retake hers because she was crying and couldn't stay still.  That is plausible.  BUT.. her reasons for taking one could have been that she was too scared to refuse it (bf might kill her) and might have rathered take her chances in accidentally passing it... I don't know and will withhold judgement till we know more.  Their "guilt" may come from being young and/or "drug users" and since they are not 'squeaky clean, law-abiding citizens' it shows in their mannerisms.  (To me that really shows that they aren't sociopaths like KC...she looked everyone in the eye and didn't flinch)

The DCS may have had "involvement" because the bio mother may be filing complaints or because of the child missing school and the school reported them. 

Am trying to give these people the benefit of telling the truth till it is proven otherwise.  Nothing has hit me upside the head like Casey and Cindy Anthony did when you knew that nothing either one of them said was in the least plausible.  The "changes" in their stories weren't minor like this one.

I also remember the Lundsford child pervert was "visiting" the neighborhood.. so how would LE even know to check his alibi or whereabouts?  That was pretty clever of him to not do it in "his own back yard".  So these pervs being the conniving, cunning sickos that they are..who is to say another one didn't' copycat that MO?

All I would ask some media to do the next time GA says these people need him to help them blah blah blah.... is to ask him what? 

     would you advise them to lie and send LE on a wild goose chase and waste their time? 

     wait 30 days to report their daughter missing? 

     whole family refuse to take a poly? 

     chase TES away and spread rumors to try to destroy his credibility? 
     
     tell them to only look for a 'live' child? 

     stop diving in the water?  and of course many more .like hire assts., do your own 'private investigation and not share w/LE.  On and on.

IMO ...this is George's NEW JOB...you can bet he has a "deal" w/Milstead that he is the fund-raiser, Lee is the Web Master, Cindy is the Event Organizer, Book Writer and Media person.  Dennis will slowly move to the background and sell the printing, signs, bracelets, billboard, and so on.  This is their new gold mine.  This sickens me to no end.  All he said was DONATE MONEY to KFN....not help search, not donate to TES (who actually DOES something and FINDS people).  He is not there for therapy...he is there to SCAM. 

God please make the A's stop...only you can.  I humbly ask this from the bottom of my heart.  Please don't let them hurt anymore people, especially ones that are suffering from a "real" lost child.  Amen

Please forgive the long post.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Desdemona on February 14, 2009, 06:16:04 AM
Hi Haileigh thread... after 4:30am here, and I am awake.

I have only ever posted in Caylee and Musings, but wow, just realized something that chilled me to the bone.  I had to "tell" someone!

Misty's story:  "I woke up at 3:XX, got out of bed to get water/use bathroom (depending on which version), saw kitchen light on, saw back door was open, then noticed Haleigh was gone.  Frantic, scared, called Ronnie, who was just driving into the yard at that moment.  He said to call 911 instead, so I did."

911 call came in at 3:27.  Ronnie gets off work at 3am.  It takes 25 or 26 minutes to drive the 16 miles, so the 911 call seems to line up time-wise.

But wait.  Here's what occurred to me:

Picture it.  You awaken.  It is after 3am, just about time for Ronnie to come home.  Sleepy, you crawl out of bed and head for the bathroom, and are surprised to see the kitchen light on when you know it was not on earlier.  Now you see that the back door, usually closed and locked, is wide open.

Misty says it freaked her out, and she went in and discovered Haleigh missing, and "that's all I know."

What would your thought have been, if you were Misty?

Remember, she says she awakened sometime after 3:00am, just before Ronnie was due home. Upon discovering the light and the open door, WHY didn't she simply assume that he must have arrived home minutes before she woke up?  He could have turned on the kitchen light, and opened the back door for some reason.  Why did she panic?  Why didn't she first just go out the door and look to see if he were home -- if it were him who had turned on the light and opened the door?

A small point, but it seems like a big glaring hole in the story to me.  It really bugs me.  That's why I had to come here and post!

And while we are on the subject, WHY did he have HER call 911?  He is the father, he is older; she is not even an adult.  It would have made much more sense for him to call. 

But wait a minute.  Another head-scratcher:  WHY was the 911 call placed within a minute of him driving up to the home, if his arrival indeed coincided with Misty's discovery that Haleigh was gone, as per her story?  Haleigh isn't in her bed!  Oh my God!  Where is she?  Wouldn't they have checked outside first?  Awakened the neighbors?  Searched around to see if she had perhaps wandered outside and gotten injured or lost?  Why did Ronnie IMMEDIATELY have Misty call 911 while he raged in the background about how he would kill whoever took her?  How did they IMMEDIATELY know Haleigh had been taken by someone?

And why was Ronnie right there on hand, apparently in the same room, while Misty was on the phone with the dispatch operator?  Why wasn't he out looking under trees and bushes, under the trailer, down the road, in neighbors' cars, yards, etc., while she called in the emergency?

Sorry for the long ramble, and sorry for busting into this thread like this... I was awake and troubled by my realization: that if Misty had awakened at the time she said she did, she would almost certainly have naturally assumed that the light and the open door were simply indications that Ronnie had come home from work -- and this is conspicuously absent from her account, IMO.

I hope they didn't hurt Haleigh... the bit about the blankets sounds so suspicious, too... I wish I had hope that she is okay, but after Tim Miller stated on camera that he doesn't think this is going to have a happy ending, I just feel so sad.

Oh, yes, saw in the police report that Haleigh was wearing pink shirt, tan shorts.
Previous report said a t-shirt and underwear.
Original report said pajamas.
Did I mention the confusing bit about the blankets?

*sigh*
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Desi

P.S.  Yes, it could have been an abduction by a child predator -- the area is crawling with 44 RSO's.  Well, I wonder: Would you be aware of that if you lived there?  Maybe Ronnie knows this, and perhaps is familiar with the Jessica Lunsford case? ..... Hate to be so suspicious, but their story just sounds wrong somehow.  I will humbly apologize here to Misty and Ronnie if I am mistaken about this.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Desdemona on February 14, 2009, 06:18:24 AM
Oh, HI, Lucinda!  Hope you are well!

BluesyGram, I'll just have to find it in my heart to forgive your extremely long post......

..... since mine was EVEN LONGER!   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Praying for this little one, scared for her...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Lucinda on February 14, 2009, 06:22:40 AM
These inconsistencies are driving me bonkers.  Whether the media is partly to blame or the gf.

The only thing I am comfortable with is when the Dad was on NG the first night and Marc Klaas told him..you are doing all the right things cooperating with LE and taking the Poly so they can concentrate on someone else.  His reply was "Why not?  I have nothing to hide." 

IMO, a guilty person his age wouldn't have taken one, nor had that "quick" response.  Now, the gf said she had to retake hers because she was crying and couldn't stay still.  That is plausible.  BUT.. her reasons for taking one could have been that she was too scared to refuse it (bf might kill her) and might have rathered take her chances in accidentally passing it... I don't know and will withhold judgement till we know more.  Their "guilt" may come from being young and/or "drug users" and since they are not 'squeaky clean, law-abiding citizens' it shows in their mannerisms.  (To me that really shows that they aren't sociopaths like KC...she looked everyone in the eye and didn't flinch)

The DCS may have had "involvement" because the bio mother may be filing complaints or because of the child missing school and the school reported them. 

Am trying to give these people the benefit of telling the truth till it is proven otherwise.  Nothing has hit me upside the head like Casey and Cindy Anthony did when you knew that nothing either one of them said was in the least plausible.  The "changes" in their stories weren't minor like this one.

I also remember the Lundsford child pervert was "visiting" the neighborhood.. so how would LE even know to check his alibi or whereabouts?  That was pretty clever of him to not do it in "his own back yard".  So these pervs being the conniving, cunning sickos that they are..who is to say another one didn't' copycat that MO?

All I would ask some media to do the next time GA says these people need him to help them blah blah blah.... is to ask him what? 

     would you advise them to lie and send LE on a wild goose chase and waste their time? 

     wait 30 days to report their daughter missing? 

     whole family refuse to take a poly? 

     chase TES away and spread rumors to try to destroy his credibility? 
     
     tell them to only look for a 'live' child? 

     stop diving in the water?  and of course many more .like hire assts., do your own 'private investigation and not share w/LE.  On and on.

IMO ...this is George's NEW JOB...you can bet he has a "deal" w/Milstead that he is the fund-raiser, Lee is the Web Master, Cindy is the Event Organizer, Book Writer and Media person.  Dennis will slowly move to the background and sell the printing, signs, bracelets, billboard, and so on.  This is their new gold mine.  This sickens me to no end.  All he said was DONATE MONEY to KFN....not help search, not donate to TES (who actually DOES something and FINDS people).  He is not there for therapy...he is there to SCAM. 

God please make the A's stop...only you can.  I humbly ask this from the bottom of my heart.  Please don't let them hurt anymore people, especially ones that are suffering from a "real" lost child.  Amen

Please forgive the long post.

I admit i havent read up on this case, but one thing I totally agree with you Bluesy is, bugger off away from them George, your familys web has been spun, now show some respect, and stop trying to make yourself seem the good samaritan, cos you are full of shyte.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Lucinda on February 14, 2009, 06:24:38 AM
Hi desi, I am just new to this case.  I prolly shouldnt be posting in here till i know all the details.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 14, 2009, 06:27:47 AM
Desi, I agree with you completely - especially about the timing of her "waking up" and the time of the 911 call.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 14, 2009, 06:30:34 AM
Oh, HI, Lucinda!  Hope you are well!

BluesyGram, I'll just have to find it in my heart to forgive your extremely long post......

..... since mine was EVEN LONGER!   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Praying for this little one, scared for her...

Hi Desi..Yes, I had to post tonight...couldn't stop thinking about it trying to sleep last night.  You have (always do) some great points.  

I think he told her to call 911 because she had the phone in her hand calling him and he did say somewhere that he was running around looking inside the home.  He adamantly stated that Haleigh would NOT go outside alone because she was terribly afraid of the dark..probably why they all slept in the same room.

The rest I have to think about for a while...brain is a little empty after unloading on my loooong  post.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Lucinda on February 14, 2009, 06:31:46 AM
Hi Haileigh thread... after 4:30am here, and I am awake.

I have only ever posted in Caylee and Musings, but wow, just realized something that chilled me to the bone.  I had to "tell" someone!

Misty's story:  "I woke up at 3:XX, got out of bed to get water/use bathroom (depending on which version), saw kitchen light on, saw back door was open, then noticed Haleigh was gone.  Frantic, scared, called Ronnie, who was just driving into the yard at that moment.  He said to call 911 instead, so I did."

911 call came in at 3:27.  Ronnie gets off work at 3am.  It takes 25 or 26 minutes to drive the 16 miles, so the 911 call seems to line up time-wise.

But wait.  Here's what occurred to me:

Picture it.  You awaken.  It is after 3am, just about time for Ronnie to come home.  Sleepy, you crawl out of bed and head for the bathroom, and are surprised to see the kitchen light on when you know it was not on earlier.  Now you see that the back door, usually closed and locked, is wide open.

Misty says it freaked her out, and she went in and discovered Haleigh missing, and "that's all I know."

What would your thought have been, if you were Misty?

Remember, she says she awakened sometime after 3:00am, just before Ronnie was due home. Upon discovering the light and the open door, WHY didn't she simply assume that he must have arrived home minutes before she woke up?  He could have turned on the kitchen light, and opened the back door for some reason.  Why did she panic?  Why didn't she first just go out the door and look to see if he were home -- if it were him who had turned on the light and opened the door?

A small point, but it seems like a big glaring hole in the story to me.  It really bugs me.  That's why I had to come here and post!

And while we are on the subject, WHY did he have HER call 911?  He is the father, he is older; she is not even an adult.  It would have made much more sense for him to call. 

But wait a minute.  Another head-scratcher:  WHY was the 911 call placed within a minute of him driving up to the home, if his arrival indeed coincided with Misty's discovery that Haleigh was gone, as per her story?  Haleigh isn't in her bed!  Oh my God!  Where is she?  Wouldn't they have checked outside first?  Awakened the neighbors?  Searched around to see if she had perhaps wandered outside and gotten injured or lost?  Why did Ronnie IMMEDIATELY have Misty call 911 while he raged in the background about how he would kill whoever took her?  How did they IMMEDIATELY know Haleigh had been taken by someone?

And why was Ronnie right there on hand, apparently in the same room, while Misty was on the phone with the dispatch operator?  Why wasn't he out looking under trees and bushes, under the trailer, down the road, in neighbors' cars, yards, etc., while she called in the emergency?

Sorry for the long ramble, and sorry for busting into this thread like this... I was awake and troubled by my realization: that if Misty had awakened at the time she said she did, she would almost certainly have naturally assumed that the light and the open door were simply indications that Ronnie had come home from work -- and this is conspicuously absent from her account, IMO.

I hope they didn't hurt Haleigh... the bit about the blankets sounds so suspicious, too... I wish I had hope that she is okay, but after Tim Miller stated on camera that he doesn't think this is going to have a happy ending, I just feel so sad.

Oh, yes, saw in the police report that Haleigh was wearing pink shirt, tan shorts.
Previous report said a t-shirt and underwear.
Original report said pajamas.
Did I mention the confusing bit about the blankets?

*sigh*
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Desi

P.S.  Yes, it could have been an abduction by a child predator -- the area is crawling with 44 RSO's.  Well, I wonder: Would you be aware of that if you lived there?  Maybe Ronnie knows this, and perhaps is familiar with the Jessica Lunsford case? ..... Hate to be so suspicious, but their story just sounds wrong somehow.  I will humbly apologize here to Misty and Ronnie if I am mistaken about this.

desi, that is such a great point.  Any normal person would just think partner was home a few mins early.  Thats all Im saying till i read all the facts etc.  but yes, i agree with you on this point. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Desdemona on February 14, 2009, 06:38:49 AM
Hi desi, I am just new to this case.  I prolly shouldnt be posting in here till i know all the details.

(Or just stay away from it!  For your sanity, ya know?)

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Good to see you.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Desdemona on February 14, 2009, 06:41:24 AM
Desi, I agree with you completely - especially about the timing of her "waking up" and the time of the 911 call.

Thank you for saying so.  I hate so be so cynical or suspicious, but I can't seem to make the story wash...

Nice to see you, btw.  Love your posts.  And your avi never fails to er... capture my attention...

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Desdemona on February 14, 2009, 06:43:39 AM
Oh, HI, Lucinda!  Hope you are well!

BluesyGram, I'll just have to find it in my heart to forgive your extremely long post......

..... since mine was EVEN LONGER!   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Praying for this little one, scared for her...

Hi Desi..Yes, I had to post tonight...couldn't stop thinking about it trying to sleep last night.  You have (always do) some great points.  

I think he told her to call 911 because she had the phone in her hand calling him and he did say somewhere that he was running around looking inside the home.  He adamantly stated that Haleigh would NOT go outside alone because she was terribly afraid of the dark..probably why they all slept in the same room.

The rest I have to think about for a while...brain is a little empty after unloading on my loooong  post.


Empty or not, it's a good one, BG.  Know what you mean.  I tried to go to bed, but couldn't even begin to get sleepy.  And I have to start getting ready for work in a bit...  It's nice to have company!  And you are on target about George.  It's just all wrong.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 14, 2009, 06:43:55 AM
Hi desi, I am just new to this case.  I prolly shouldnt be posting in here till i know all the details.

(Or just stay away from it!  For your sanity, ya know?)

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Good to see you.

Good advice...lol
 
Thanks for the "pointers" to ponder Desi...hopefully, LE will share "the evidence" that they collected with us soon.  Love that Sunshile Law down there for sure.

Nite and Sweet Dreams everyone.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 14, 2009, 06:46:56 AM
Desi, I agree with you completely - especially about the timing of her "waking up" and the time of the 911 call.

Thank you for saying so.  I hate so be so cynical or suspicious, but I can't seem to make the story wash...

Nice to see you, btw.  Love your posts.  And your avi never fails to er... capture my attention...

 ::MonkeyEek::

Nice to see you too, Desi!  Your posts are usually right on the money and I always look forward to reading what you have to say.

Like you, I hate to be cynical, but last night as I washed dishes and had HLN on, the timing of the gf supposedly getting up to use the restroom just hit me like a ton of bricks - WAY suspicious.  However, I am only thinking that she was gone and had just come home at that time and that she is trying to cover up that fact.

I'm so curious to know what items of interest were found yesterday.  I believe those items found were in the bed.  That really bothers me, but maybe it's only because of where my mind tends to wander when I hear something like that.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Desdemona on February 14, 2009, 06:48:33 AM
Hi desi, I am just new to this case.  I prolly shouldnt be posting in here till i know all the details.

(Or just stay away from it!  For your sanity, ya know?)

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Good to see you.

Good advice...lol
 
Thanks for the "pointers" to ponder Desi...hopefully, LE will share "the evidence" that they collected with us soon.  Love that Sunshile Law down there for sure.

Nite and Sweet Dreams everyone.

Sleep is good.  Hope you can get some!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 14, 2009, 06:49:29 AM
Oh, HI, Lucinda!  Hope you are well!

BluesyGram, I'll just have to find it in my heart to forgive your extremely long post......

..... since mine was EVEN LONGER!   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Praying for this little one, scared for her...

Hi Desi..Yes, I had to post tonight...couldn't stop thinking about it trying to sleep last night.  You have (always do) some great points.  

I think he told her to call 911 because she had the phone in her hand calling him and he did say somewhere that he was running around looking inside the home.  He adamantly stated that Haleigh would NOT go outside alone because she was terribly afraid of the dark..probably why they all slept in the same room.

The rest I have to think about for a while...brain is a little empty after unloading on my loooong  post.


Empty or not, it's a good one, BG.  Know what you mean.  I tried to go to bed, but couldn't even begin to get sleepy.  And I have to start getting ready for work in a bit...   It's nice to have company!  And you are on target about George.  It's just all wrong.

ACK!! You have to go to work soon?  Bummer!  I was lying in bed wide awake at 2:30 a.m. and figured I may as well get up and see what's new since I wasn't sleeping anyway. 

Have a good day at work!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2009, 06:53:28 AM
Desi, I agree with you completely - especially about the timing of her "waking up" and the time of the 911 call.

Thank you for saying so.  I hate so be so cynical or suspicious, but I can't seem to make the story wash...

Nice to see you, btw.  Love your posts.  And your avi never fails to er... capture my attention...

 ::MonkeyEek::

Nice to see you too, Desi!  Your posts are usually right on the money and I always look forward to reading what you have to say.

Like you, I hate to be cynical, but last night as I washed dishes and had HLN on, the timing of the gf supposedly getting up to use the restroom just hit me like a ton of bricks - WAY suspicious.  However, I am only thinking that she was gone and had just come home at that time and that she is trying to cover up that fact.

I'm so curious to know what items of interest were found yesterday.  I believe those items found were in the bed.  That really bothers me, but maybe it's only because of where my mind tends to wander when I hear something like that.

Flossy.... I am thinking that the gf had been gone and left those children alone also....
I am also wondering if one of the 44 SO's living in their area knew her routine was to sneak out at night and leave the children alone...
I am very fearful for little Haleigh...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 14, 2009, 06:56:59 AM
I haven't gotten any info on the gf's phone records.
Have they been released? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Desdemona on February 14, 2009, 06:57:24 AM
Desi, I agree with you completely - especially about the timing of her "waking up" and the time of the 911 call.

Thank you for saying so.  I hate so be so cynical or suspicious, but I can't seem to make the story wash...

Nice to see you, btw.  Love your posts.  And your avi never fails to er... capture my attention...

 ::MonkeyEek::

Nice to see you too, Desi!  Your posts are usually right on the money and I always look forward to reading what you have to say.

Like you, I hate to be cynical, but last night as I washed dishes and had HLN on, the timing of the gf supposedly getting up to use the restroom just hit me like a ton of bricks - WAY suspicious.  However, I am only thinking that she was gone and had just come home at that time and that she is trying to cover up that fact.

I'm so curious to know what items of interest were found yesterday.  I believe those items found were in the bed.  That really bothers me, but maybe it's only because of where my mind tends to wander when I hear something like that.

Yep.  And washing blankets late at night... Maybe nothing, but definitely lights up my radar screen...  Especially since Misty stressed yet again, in another on-camera interview, that she had spent time in the area of the back door late that evening, "where the dryers are..." washing the blanket (or blankets?)...

I'm torn between Misty having been MIA that night and possible complicity between her and someone else... His story sounds funny to me, but he says he passed a poly, so I'm not sure about him... And then again, that poor child was living amongst a snake-den of sexual predators apparently.... What a mystery.  Poor baby.

Anyway, I feel honored that the lovely and dignified Flossy would give me such a nice compliment...  Thanks.  My posts are usually way over-thought and way too long.  I try to refrain but sometimes just can't help myself.
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Lucinda on February 14, 2009, 06:58:18 AM
Hi desi, I am just new to this case.  I prolly shouldnt be posting in here till i know all the details.

(Or just stay away from it!  For your sanity, ya know?)

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Good to see you.

Good advice...lol
 
Thanks for the "pointers" to ponder Desi...hopefully, LE will share "the evidence" that they collected with us soon.  Love that Sunshile Law down there for sure.

Nite and Sweet Dreams everyone.

yep,  I will back outa this case for a few days I reckon.  I do hope Hayleigh is found safe and soon.  I might catch up on the case and then post. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Desdemona on February 14, 2009, 07:00:14 AM
I haven't gotten any info on the gf's phone records.
Have they been released? ::MonkeyEek::

Matching "His and Hers" phone records would be most helpful, thank you!  I haven't heard anything on this, but perhaps we'll get some more news in the next day or two.  Surely LE hopped right on that from the get-go...

(Love your manic avi!)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Desdemona on February 14, 2009, 07:02:51 AM
Hi desi, I am just new to this case.  I prolly shouldnt be posting in here till i know all the details.

(Or just stay away from it!  For your sanity, ya know?)

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Good to see you.

Good advice...lol
 
Thanks for the "pointers" to ponder Desi...hopefully, LE will share "the evidence" that they collected with us soon.  Love that Sunshile Law down there for sure.

Nite and Sweet Dreams everyone.

yep,  I will back outa this case for a few days I reckon.  I do hope Hayleigh is found safe and soon.  I might catch up on the case and then post. 

Having that funny feeling that this one is going to be solved pretty quickly, for some reason.  At this point am just not seeing it drag out for months and months like the Caylee case, or Natalee.

So sad, wish she could be found unharmed tomorrow, all is well, case closed.
But I fear the worst... as I think many other Monkeys do, too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Lucinda on February 14, 2009, 07:07:29 AM
can i ask one thing?  I saw in this thread, public records up for the county in this case, and can someone in here show me how to find the exact same records page for dougherty county in georgia.  i been googling my head off all night, but cant find a similar page.  Sorry for OT.  But, id be really pleased if someone can find it for me. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Desdemona on February 14, 2009, 07:15:47 AM
can i ask one thing?  I saw in this thread, public records up for the county in this case, and can someone in here show me how to find the exact same records page for dougherty county in georgia.  i been googling my head off all night, but cant find a similar page.  Sorry for OT.  But, id be really pleased if someone can find it for me. 

Hey, Lucinda, here is a link with information about obtaining criminal records in Georgia.

http://gbi.georgia.gov/00/channel_modifieddate/0,2096,67862954_67866875,00.html (http://gbi.georgia.gov/00/channel_modifieddate/0,2096,67862954_67866875,00.html)

Different U.S. states and counties have different levels of information available.  Some states offer free criminal searches online (like FL).  Others you can get for free, but you have to contact the county directly.  Some counties/states you have to pay for the information, and a few don't make the info public, or at least not all of it.

Good luck in your search for info.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Lucinda on February 14, 2009, 07:26:05 AM
can i ask one thing?  I saw in this thread, public records up for the county in this case, and can someone in here show me how to find the exact same records page for dougherty county in georgia.  i been googling my head off all night, but cant find a similar page.  Sorry for OT.  But, id be really pleased if someone can find it for me. 

Hey, Lucinda, here is a link with information about obtaining criminal records in Georgia.

http://gbi.georgia.gov/00/channel_modifieddate/0,2096,67862954_67866875,00.html (http://gbi.georgia.gov/00/channel_modifieddate/0,2096,67862954_67866875,00.html)

Different U.S. states and counties have different levels of information available.  Some states offer free criminal searches online (like FL).  Others you can get for free, but you have to contact the county directly.  Some counties/states you have to pay for the information, and a few don't make the info public, or at least not all of it.

Good luck in your search for info.



Thanks desi, looking now. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Desdemona on February 14, 2009, 07:38:04 AM
can i ask one thing?  I saw in this thread, public records up for the county in this case, and can someone in here show me how to find the exact same records page for dougherty county in georgia.  i been googling my head off all night, but cant find a similar page.  Sorry for OT.  But, id be really pleased if someone can find it for me. 

Hey, Lucinda, here is a link with information about obtaining criminal records in Georgia.

http://gbi.georgia.gov/00/channel_modifieddate/0,2096,67862954_67866875,00.html (http://gbi.georgia.gov/00/channel_modifieddate/0,2096,67862954_67866875,00.html)

Different U.S. states and counties have different levels of information available.  Some states offer free criminal searches online (like FL).  Others you can get for free, but you have to contact the county directly.  Some counties/states you have to pay for the information, and a few don't make the info public, or at least not all of it.

Good luck in your search for info.



Thanks desi, looking now. 

Going now, must get ready for work... will check back later for any new developments.  And I'll be praying for everyone involved in this sad case.

Happy Valentine's Day, Monkeys!  (and a belated one to you, Lucinda)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 07:53:38 AM
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Good Morning


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 07:56:00 AM
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Turned-Away-From-Search/oamA7eW5HEywT3rjpAAxjQ.cspx

Volunteers Turned Away From Search  Reported by: Cathi Carson
Email: ccarson@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 7:48 pm 

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 Alex Weber and his fellow Urban Search and Rescue team came from Hilton Head to try and help search for Haleigh Cummings.  But when they arrived they were told they couldn't join the effort.

Investigators say liability and safety issues make it impossible to allow uninvited volunteers to take part in the search.  And at this point they have plenty of help.  There were more than 200 volunteers searching the woods along side horses. 

We know Tim always says there are not enough volunteers.  So either LE doesn't believe that or they are not comfortable with this team.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Lucinda on February 14, 2009, 08:07:47 AM
goodnight monkeys
have a great day today. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 08:13:48 AM
Ok, I am going to go out on a limb here, hope I don't fall off.

Today Marie (maternal gm) was asked if Crystals side of family had taken Poly.

She said they have been ask to, have filled out the paper work but had not taken it yet.

We know that Ronald and Misty have taken it. IF one or both had failed it, there would be no need for others to take it imo.

If Crystal takes a poly, wouldn't that tell us that Ronald and Misty have been ruled out as suspects? Not saying that Crystal or her family are involved, just trying to

piece some of this together.

If Crystal and family does not take a poly soon, then doesn't that tell us that it is not needed because they have a suspect, just not naming one yet?

One thing for sure LE is not leaking anything in this case.

Just some of my thoughts tonight..

Be Gentle please..

OS




My opinion is that their alibi are pretty air tight.  They live pretty far away and I'm sure their location was checked.  Probably only one poly operator available and there are other people they are doing first. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 14, 2009, 08:28:01 AM
Ok this is O/T but on - The amount of known sex offenders in the area scares the bejeebers out of me. And to think there are a bunch more that just have not been caught yet!

Has anyone seen the series "Dexter"? I am thinking I could be him - go around and kill all the bad guys and leave no trail. . .


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 08:30:39 AM
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Remember, she says she awakened sometime after 3:00am, just before Ronnie was due home. Upon discovering the light and the open door, WHY didn't she simply assume that he must have arrived home minutes before she woke up?  He could have turned on the kitchen light, and opened the back door for some reason.  Why did she panic?  Why didn't she first just go out the door and look to see if he were home -- if it were him who had turned on the light and opened the door?

A small point, but it seems like a big glaring hole in the story to me.  It really bugs me.  That's why I had to come here and post!

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But wait a minute.  Another head-scratcher:  WHY was the 911 call placed within a minute of him driving up to the home, if his arrival indeed coincided with Misty's discovery that Haleigh was gone, as per her story?  Haleigh isn't in her bed!  Oh my God!  Where is she?  Wouldn't they have checked outside first?  Awakened the neighbors?  Searched around to see if she had perhaps wandered outside and gotten injured or lost?  Why did Ronnie IMMEDIATELY have Misty call 911 while he raged in the background about how he would kill whoever took her?  How did they IMMEDIATELY know Haleigh had been taken by someone?

And why was Ronnie right there on hand, apparently in the same room, while Misty was on the phone with the dispatch operator?  Why wasn't he out looking under trees and bushes, under the trailer, down the road, in neighbors' cars, yards, etc., while she called in the emergency?
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This might not be a safe neighborhood and/or maybe boyfriend never gets off early.  I could see being very upset lights on, back door open. I probably would have called 911 right then. Also, they had only been there a couple of months.

All the interviews I saw at first did talk about Haleigh being taken and some almost sounded like they suspected who did it.  You make a good point here.

I understand why the parents are not out searching now.  But, I totally agree with you that I am shocked that the father was not out looking when 911 was called.  Since he made that kill comment to 911 you would think he would have grabbed his gun and gone out as soon as Misty told him Haleigh was missing. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 08:56:58 AM
NANCY GRACE Aired February 13, 2009

 (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/13/ng.01.html)


ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL Aired February 13, 2009

 (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/13/ijvm.01.html)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 09:09:03 AM
Search for Haleigh Cummings puts tiny Satsuma in spotlight

 (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-missing-florida-girl-haleigh-satsuma-021309,0,3574774.story?page=1&track=rss)
Helen Eckinger and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
7:15 PM EST, February 13, 2009

SATSUMA - Four days ago, few outside Putnam County had ever heard of this one-traffic-light town nestled along the St. Johns River.

Now, dozens of reporters and satellite trucks have converged on Satsuma to tell the world of one of this community's saddest stories: The disappearance of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

The fair-haired girl vanished late Monday or early Tuesday as her younger brother and father's girlfriend slept in a mobile home.

Authorities continue to treat the case as an abduction but are releasing little information.

Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy refused to speculate, saying: "I'm dealing with the facts."

Investigators have followed up on more than 350 leads and have sent evidence to be tested in a Jacksonville forensic lab.

The 44 registered sex offenders who live within 5 miles of Haleigh's double-wide have been questioned and their residences searched, Hardy said.

Volunteers from Texas EquuSearch -- a Houston-based search group -- joined law-enforcement searchers today and scoured thick woods beyond the original 5-square-mile search zone.

The search yielded "items of interest," but Putnam County sheriff's officials would not say what the items were, who found them or what makes them notable.

Searchers carrying little orange flags -- to mark potential evidence -- and walking sticks were seen marching down Buffalo Bluff Road, the main two-lane road near Haleigh's neighborhood.

"I think that everyone here brought their hearts and determination," said EquuSearch founder Tim Miller. "We just need that little bit of luck to go along with it."

The scene was reminiscent of EquuSearch's work for 2-year-old Caylee Anthony, the Orlando toddler who was reported missing in July. Her mother, Casey Anthony, 22, was charged with first-degree murder before the girl's remains were found in December.

"It's little Caylee Anthony all over again," said 74-year-old Erma Rice as the she sat outside her Satsuma mobile home watching media crews set up for the afternoon news conference. "But here we don't know who it (the suspect) is."

In Satsuma, businesses have plastered posters bearing Haleigh's picture on their windows, and the local Christian rock station, WHIF Hope FM, has taken to broadcasting regular updates.

Outside Mema's diner on U.S. Highway 17, which offered all-you-can-eat catfish today, a sign read "Pray for Haleigh" above an advertisement for banana splits. Inside the restaurant, one of two in Satsuma, Haleigh is the main topic.

"It's been the only conversation," said waitress Kim Smith, 32.

The father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, told sheriff's investigators that she was sharing a bed with Haleigh when the little girl disappeared.

Marie Griffis, Haleigh's maternal grandmother, said Croslin has given conflicting accounts of that night to media outlets.

"Why so many stories?" Griffis said.


The Orlando Sentinel could not reach Croslin on Friday, and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, declined several requests for comment, though they have denied any involvement during televised interviews.

Sheriff's officials said they are sticking with their original interview with Croslin and would not comment further on the discrepancies.

Mema's customers talk about rumors heard from friends and what they saw on the "Nancy Grace" show the night before.

"I never thought I would live to see the name Satsuma on television," said Henry Hof, 62, as he sipped coffee at the counter.

Before Haleigh's disappearance, the biggest excitement in recent years was the opening of the Family Dollar store on U.S. 17.

"That's our Wal-Mart," said Rice.

Driving up from the south on U.S. 17, visitors' first sight of Satsuma is Paradise Auto Repair -- where drivers can get "New Tires Used" -- and the House of the Reconciled church.

Nobody seems to know exactly how many people live in Satsuma. The total ranges from 1,700 to 5,000 -- depending on whom is asked. The community was named in 1886 for its satsuma oranges, according to Allen Morris' Florida Place Names.

Now it's a community with vastly different residents -- out-of-state retirees looking for a quiet place to live out their years and locals born and raised in mobile homes with well water and septic tanks.

Several residents said that drug use is common.

"There ain't much else to do around here," said 20-year-old Matthew Ross, who runs the local barber shop with his brother.

Most folks work at the paper mill and electric company several miles north in Palatka.

And, their children were once allowed to run through the woods and play outside unattended without concern.

"This actually was one of those places where you can turn your back on your children and not worry about them being gone," said Connie Winkler, 32, outside the Family Dollar. "But that's changed."

Since Tuesday, she no longer allows her children to play outside.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 09:14:16 AM
VIDEO
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 (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-missing-florida-girl-haleigh-satsuma-021309,0,3574774.story?page=2)
In video grandma is convinced that Haleigh would have only left trailer with someone she knew.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: NaNaPenny63 on February 14, 2009, 09:27:12 AM
good morning   If this has been asked before Im sorry.....but does anyone know why Haleigh is with with her father and not her mother? TIA


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 09:35:45 AM
Initial Report Shows No Suspicion of Foul Play in Disappearance of Haleigh Cummings

 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131276&catid=3)
Posted By: Gary Detman     Created: 2/13/2009 9:03:49 PM    Updated: 2/14/2009 9:15:24 AM


SATSUMA, FL -- Deputies found a footprint in the dirt, and dogs picked up a scent leading away from the home of Haleigh Cummings, but investigators didn't suspect foul play on the day she disappeared, according to the police report released late Friday by the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

Haleigh Cummings has been missing since Monday. Now, authorities believe she's been abducted.

FORUM CHAT: HALEIGH'S DISAPPEARANCE (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/life/community/forums.aspx?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3affb22467-a346-47a8-b0ef-9c891bdda855Forum%3aeae071ae-0210-4dd7-88fa-d2cfc8139506Discussion%3a4389cd38-b95e-49a6-93b7-25dd18ef1814&plckCategoryCurrentPage=0)

Deputies R. Nelson and Bridges responded to Haleigh's home at 202 Green Drive in reference to the report of a missing five year old child.

The deputies arrived to find Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, visibly upset in the driveway.

Cummings told the arriving deputies his girlfriend told him his daughter disappeared. Mr. Cummings said he didn't know what kind of clothing Haleigh had on, and all he knew was "the back door was standing open."

Ronald Cummings repeatedly said someone took his daughter, and according to the police report. he said, "when I find him, I'll kill him." Investigators said Cummings mentioned he had a 9 mm Beretta inside his home, and he said whomever had his child, he would "shoot them through the back window of the patrol car."

Investigators said due to his emotional state, Ronald Cummings was unable to provide any useful information at that moment.

Investigators then spoke with Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Ronald Cummings who put Haleigh to bed Monday evening.

Croslin told investigators she put Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother in Croslin's bed at 8 p.m., and that both were still in bed when the teenager went to bed a few hours later at 10:30 p.m.

Croslin said she woke up to get a drink of water at 3 a.m. and noticed Haleigh had disappeared. Croslin said she ran around the home frantically looking for Haleigh when she noticed the back door open. Croslin told detectives she felt certain she locked the door before going to bed.

Croslin said Ronald Cummings arrived at home five minutes after she noticed Haleigh missing. Croslin said her boyfriend told her to call 911 immediately.

SEARCH FOR HALEIGH: THE 911 CALL (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=131044)

Ronald Cummings' mother, Teresa Neves, arrived at the house. She told detectives her son called her shortly after he learned his daughter disappeared.

Deputies did their own search of the house for Haleigh but didn't find her.

The missing person's unit with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office responded to the house.

A canine officer followed a track that lead directly out the back door of the home and down a wooded path.

Deputies found what appeared to be a small footprint in the dirt, but noted Haleigh's shoes were still inside her home.

The tracking dog led deputies to a pond and back to Green Drive [map it], Haleigh's street. Deputies looked inside a small building with a door that had been left open. Nothing was inside.

The track continued north past Haleigh's home down Monroe Avenue and onto Buchan Circle, which looped back to Monroe Avenue. The canine officer continued to track down Buffalo Bluff Road but lost the track at the railroad crossing.

Investigators are now treating Haleigh's disappearance as an abduction.

FBI EXPERT DISCUSSES POSSIBLE SCENARIOS (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131270&catid=295)


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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: COgal on February 14, 2009, 09:36:47 AM
use this link to see how many sexual offenders are in your area:

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/searchNeighborhood.do?actionPerformed=neighborhoodSearchMain


There are 118 within a 5 mile range of where I live, very frightening!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 09:37:09 AM
good morning   If this has been asked before Im sorry.....but does anyone know why Haleigh is with with her father and not her mother? TIA
Mother spoke on Nancy Grace about it.  Do a search in thread I posted the link.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 09:43:21 AM
Klaas

Will you add this caption under the pic?

This aerial photograph from 2008 shows the location of the mobile home at 202 Green Lane in Putnam County where Haleigh Cummings, 5, was reported missing. At the far left is the St. Johns River.
PUTNAM COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE


Thank you,

OS


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/aerial-1.jpg)

This aerial photograph from 2008 shows the location of the mobile home at 202 Green Lane in Putnam County where Haleigh Cummings, 5, was reported missing. At the far left is the St. Johns River.
PUTNAM COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 09:52:43 AM
Hi Haileigh thread... after 4:30am here, and I am awake.

I have only ever posted in Caylee and Musings, but wow, just realized something that chilled me to the bone.  I had to "tell" someone!

Misty's story:  "I woke up at 3:XX, got out of bed to get water/use bathroom (depending on which version), saw kitchen light on, saw back door was open, then noticed Haleigh was gone.  Frantic, scared, called Ronnie, who was just driving into the yard at that moment.  He said to call 911 instead, so I did."

911 call came in at 3:27.  Ronnie gets off work at 3am.  It takes 25 or 26 minutes to drive the 16 miles, so the 911 call seems to line up time-wise.

But wait.  Here's what occurred to me:

Picture it.  You awaken.  It is after 3am, just about time for Ronnie to come home.  Sleepy, you crawl out of bed and head for the bathroom, and are surprised to see the kitchen light on when you know it was not on earlier.  Now you see that the back door, usually closed and locked, is wide open.

Misty says it freaked her out, and she went in and discovered Haleigh missing, and "that's all I know."

What would your thought have been, if you were Misty?

Remember, she says she awakened sometime after 3:00am, just before Ronnie was due home. Upon discovering the light and the open door, WHY didn't she simply assume that he must have arrived home minutes before she woke up?  He could have turned on the kitchen light, and opened the back door for some reason.  Why did she panic?  Why didn't she first just go out the door and look to see if he were home -- if it were him who had turned on the light and opened the door?

A small point, but it seems like a big glaring hole in the story to me.  It really bugs me.  That's why I had to come here and post!

And while we are on the subject, WHY did he have HER call 911?  He is the father, he is older; she is not even an adult.  It would have made much more sense for him to call. 

But wait a minute.  Another head-scratcher:  WHY was the 911 call placed within a minute of him driving up to the home, if his arrival indeed coincided with Misty's discovery that Haleigh was gone, as per her story?  Haleigh isn't in her bed!  Oh my God!  Where is she?  Wouldn't they have checked outside first?  Awakened the neighbors?  Searched around to see if she had perhaps wandered outside and gotten injured or lost?  Why did Ronnie IMMEDIATELY have Misty call 911 while he raged in the background about how he would kill whoever took her?  How did they IMMEDIATELY know Haleigh had been taken by someone?

And why was Ronnie right there on hand, apparently in the same room, while Misty was on the phone with the dispatch operator?  Why wasn't he out looking under trees and bushes, under the trailer, down the road, in neighbors' cars, yards, etc., while she called in the emergency?

Sorry for the long ramble, and sorry for busting into this thread like this... I was awake and troubled by my realization: that if Misty had awakened at the time she said she did, she would almost certainly have naturally assumed that the light and the open door were simply indications that Ronnie had come home from work -- and this is conspicuously absent from her account, IMO.

I hope they didn't hurt Haleigh... the bit about the blankets sounds so suspicious, too... I wish I had hope that she is okay, but after Tim Miller stated on camera that he doesn't think this is going to have a happy ending, I just feel so sad.

Oh, yes, saw in the police report that Haleigh was wearing pink shirt, tan shorts.
Previous report said a t-shirt and underwear.
Original report said pajamas.
Did I mention the confusing bit about the blankets?

*sigh*
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Desi

P.S.  Yes, it could have been an abduction by a child predator -- the area is crawling with 44 RSO's.  Well, I wonder: Would you be aware of that if you lived there?  Maybe Ronnie knows this, and perhaps is familiar with the Jessica Lunsford case? ..... Hate to be so suspicious, but their story just sounds wrong somehow.  I will humbly apologize here to Misty and Ronnie if I am mistaken about this.

Bingo  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kitkat53 on February 14, 2009, 09:59:05 AM
Hi Haileigh thread... after 4:30am here, and I am awake.

I have only ever posted in Caylee and Musings, but wow, just realized something that chilled me to the bone.  I had to "tell" someone!

Misty's story:  "I woke up at 3:XX, got out of bed to get water/use bathroom (depending on which version), saw kitchen light on, saw back door was open, then noticed Haleigh was gone.  Frantic, scared, called Ronnie, who was just driving into the yard at that moment.  He said to call 911 instead, so I did."

911 call came in at 3:27.  Ronnie gets off work at 3am.  It takes 25 or 26 minutes to drive the 16 miles, so the 911 call seems to line up time-wise.

But wait.  Here's what occurred to me:

Picture it.  You awaken.  It is after 3am, just about time for Ronnie to come home.  Sleepy, you crawl out of bed and head for the bathroom, and are surprised to see the kitchen light on when you know it was not on earlier.  Now you see that the back door, usually closed and locked, is wide open.

Misty says it freaked her out, and she went in and discovered Haleigh missing, and "that's all I know."

What would your thought have been, if you were Misty?

Remember, she says she awakened sometime after 3:00am, just before Ronnie was due home. Upon discovering the light and the open door, WHY didn't she simply assume that he must have arrived home minutes before she woke up?  He could have turned on the kitchen light, and opened the back door for some reason.  Why did she panic?  Why didn't she first just go out the door and look to see if he were home -- if it were him who had turned on the light and opened the door?

A small point, but it seems like a big glaring hole in the story to me.  It really bugs me.  That's why I had to come here and post!

And while we are on the subject, WHY did he have HER call 911?  He is the father, he is older; she is not even an adult.  It would have made much more sense for him to call. 

But wait a minute.  Another head-scratcher:  WHY was the 911 call placed within a minute of him driving up to the home, if his arrival indeed coincided with Misty's discovery that Haleigh was gone, as per her story?  Haleigh isn't in her bed!  Oh my God!  Where is she?  Wouldn't they have checked outside first?  Awakened the neighbors?  Searched around to see if she had perhaps wandered outside and gotten injured or lost?  Why did Ronnie IMMEDIATELY have Misty call 911 while he raged in the background about how he would kill whoever took her?  How did they IMMEDIATELY know Haleigh had been taken by someone?

And why was Ronnie right there on hand, apparently in the same room, while Misty was on the phone with the dispatch operator?  Why wasn't he out looking under trees and bushes, under the trailer, down the road, in neighbors' cars, yards, etc., while she called in the emergency?

Sorry for the long ramble, and sorry for busting into this thread like this... I was awake and troubled by my realization: that if Misty had awakened at the time she said she did, she would almost certainly have naturally assumed that the light and the open door were simply indications that Ronnie had come home from work -- and this is conspicuously absent from her account, IMO.

I hope they didn't hurt Haleigh... the bit about the blankets sounds so suspicious, too... I wish I had hope that she is okay, but after Tim Miller stated on camera that he doesn't think this is going to have a happy ending, I just feel so sad.

Oh, yes, saw in the police report that Haleigh was wearing pink shirt, tan shorts.
Previous report said a t-shirt and underwear.
Original report said pajamas.
Did I mention the confusing bit about the blankets?

*sigh*
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Desi

P.S.  Yes, it could have been an abduction by a child predator -- the area is crawling with 44 RSO's.  Well, I wonder: Would you be aware of that if you lived there?  Maybe Ronnie knows this, and perhaps is familiar with the Jessica Lunsford case? ..... Hate to be so suspicious, but their story just sounds wrong somehow.  I will humbly apologize here to Misty and Ronnie if I am mistaken about this.

Bingo  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree. I would not have instantly thought my child was missing.  Very good post.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 10:21:54 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131296&catid=3

Weather May Be a Factor in Day 5 Search for Haleigh
Posted By: Carla Jones     Created: 2/14/2009 9:26:29 AM    Updated: 2/14/2009 9:56:41 AM
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SATSUMA, FL -- A team of volunteers and law enforcement officials will be searching for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings today.

It's unclear at this time if the rainy weather will impact the search effort.

This will be the fifth day Haleigh has been missing.

Local, state and federal law enforcement agencies have joined in the search.

Authorities believe the little girl was abducted from her Satsuma home.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 10:32:26 AM
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-14/story/lonely_little_brother_waiting_for_haleigh
Lonely little brother waiting for Haleigh
Deputies, volunteers search region; 'The world is a suspect,' sheriff says


By Bridget Murphy Story updated at 1:01 AM on Saturday, Feb. 14, 2009 EMAIL PRINT BLOG THIS COMMENT


SATSUMA - Ronald Cummings Jr. will turn 4 years old Sunday, a birthday his family isn't sure they'll remind him about.

Valentine's Day may not mean much to a tyke like him, but today's holiday arrived early Friday morning with someone from his sister's school dropping off candy and gifts from her classmates.

"We love you Haleigh," said a card all her kindergarten classmates signed.

But how do you explain to a little boy why his 5-year-old sister wasn't home to get the gifts? How do you tell him that police suspect someone abducted Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings while the siblings were supposed to be snug in bed?

"When he's here by himself, he's a little bit lonely," his paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, said Friday of the little boy their family calls "Junior."

"We just tell him that Haleigh's not here right now. We're not going to do doom and gloom."

But there was news later Friday that offered some hope, with authorities announcing on the fourth day of their investigation they had found new evidence. It happened after more than 100 civilian volunteers teamed with police to broaden the search for Haleigh in the thick woods around her family's Green Lane mobile home near the banks of the St. Johns River.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office wouldn't give details about the evidence or where it was found, with Capt. Steve Rose describing the findings as "items of interest." Authorities wouldn't say if the discovery hinted that Haleigh was alive.

But they said state crime lab personnel have made processing all the evidence in the abduction case their first priority.

Friday they were continuing to interview and re-interview Haleigh's family members and others they didn't identify. They said they had finished speaking with the registered sex offenders who live within 5 miles of the mobile home park in the Hermit's Cove area.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy said Friday morning that investigators hadn't zeroed in on any suspects.

"At this time, the world is a suspect and we really haven't excluded anybody," he said.

The sheriff also said law enforcement officials have chased roughly 350 leads so far.

No comment from sheriff

Hardy wouldn't comment when asked about an inconsistency that emerged Thursday in the account of the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings.

Misty Croslin first reported that Haleigh had been in bed with her before she woke and found her gone about 3 a.m. as Cummings arrived home. On Thursday, she told reporters they were in separate beds.

She told the Times-Union on Friday that she did change her story "a little bit" because she got mixed up. There is another bed in the same room that Haleigh was sleeping in, according to Neves, Haleigh's grandmother.

Neves said the family is standing by Croslin and doesn't believe she would do Haleigh any harm. Croslin said officials advised her not to speak with the media anymore. Cummings, 25, said he and his girlfriend took lie-detector tests and believes they passed. Investigators haven't confirmed the results.

Authoritiesregularly checked in on Cummings and his family Friday, taking him at one point to meet members of Texas EquuSearch, a volunteer search group.

On Friday morning they sent 10 teams of searchers into the woods on horses, all-terrain vehicles and on foot to look for Haleigh. By day's end, Cummings was wearing a T-shirt like one many wore. "Lost is not alone," it read.

Haleigh's father and her mother, Crystal Sheffield, said they were pleased by the support of volunteers. Cummings has had custody of both Haleigh and Junior.

Family appreciates help

"I think it's wonderful that everybody's helping," said Sheffield, 23, while gathering with her family outside the mobile home park's fence.

That was one of the places where a memorial to Haleigh went up. Signs from family also appealed to anyone who passed by to please bring their baby home.

Volunteers who enlisted for that cause included horseback riders Wanda Cassidy, 58, of Green Cove Springs and Tracy Mitchell, 51, of Jacksonville's Westside.

The friends brought their horses to the area to search the grounds with other volunteers from Texas EquuSearch. The group has assisted authorities with cases like the disappearance of teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and slain Orlando girl Caylee Anthony.

"I was so excited to be able to do something," Cassidy said before shoving off. "You hear about these things but you don't know what you can do."

Neves said her son and the rest of the family would hold a candlelight vigil Friday night, as they have every night since Haleigh disappeared.

She and her sister Tina Belcher, Haleigh's aunt, smiled when they looked at Thursday night's candles still burning below a table full of Valentines and teddy bears and photos. There also was a packet of fruit chews someone left amid the tribute for Haleigh.

That someone was Junior, Belcher said, explaining how her nephew insisted on buying his sister a treat when she took him into a convenience store.

"We've got to get one for Sissy," the almost-4-year-old told his aunt about the fruit chews. "We'll give her the candy when she gets home."




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 14, 2009, 10:34:57 AM
I am not so sure that a person could see much to search at 3 a.m. and would be reluctant to go charging up to some of my neighbors at that hour.  Same deal, however, as with Caylee, saying she was missing first thing.  But she was afraid of the dark so that could have eliminated the possibility of Haleigh going outside after dark.

But I would want LE to contact certain of my neighbors like the place that usually is cooking meth.  Not about to go there myself even in daylight.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 14, 2009, 10:35:46 AM
Klaas,

I just made that post in the Natalee thread instead of here, can you please delete it for me?

Not enough coffee yet to be posting I suppose.

Thanks!



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 14, 2009, 10:39:05 AM
But now if I had an edit button, I could fix it myself, hahahaha



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 14, 2009, 11:19:55 AM
Join John Walsh on the search for Haleigh Cummings.

Saturday on FOX, 9 p.m. ET/PT, 8 p.m. CT.

>>See All The Stories In This Week's Show


http://www.amw.com/missing_children/


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: supersleuth99 on February 14, 2009, 11:21:05 AM
Maybe you've seen this already but the dad is a very bad guy.  I can't believe the children were placed with him after reading this doc.  These children were in danger by just living with him.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 11:29:38 AM
Maybe you've seen this already but the dad is a very bad guy.  I can't believe the children were placed with him after reading this doc.  These children were in danger by just living with him.



That's my take on the father too.  Just cannot wrap my mind around the fact that this guy was chosen by the court over the mother.  Makes me wonder how much more bad the mother could have been?   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: summermonkey on February 14, 2009, 11:32:46 AM
Maybe you've seen this already but the dad is a very bad guy.  I can't believe the children were placed with him after reading this doc.  These children were in danger by just living with him.



That's my take on the father too.  Just cannot wrap my mind around the fact that this guy was chosen by the court over the mother.  Makes me wonder how much more bad the mother could have been?   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Surely, if there is a God in heaven, little Junior will NOT be going back to live with his obviously unfit father.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 14, 2009, 11:35:37 AM
Maybe you've seen this already but the dad is a very bad guy.  I can't believe the children were placed with him after reading this doc.  These children were in danger by just living with him.



Thanks for posting this.  So apparently there are alligators in the canal by the house...however I dont think this little girl wandered down there in the middle of the night.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 11:35:45 AM
Maybe you've seen this already but the dad is a very bad guy.  I can't believe the children were placed with him after reading this doc.  These children were in danger by just living with him.



That's my take on the father too.  Just cannot wrap my mind around the fact that this guy was chosen by the court over the mother.  Makes me wonder how much more bad the mother could have been?   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

NANCY GRACE for February 12, 2009

 (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/12/ng.01.html)
Bio mom, Crystal Sheffield, talks about custody and Misty's sleeping arrangement story changing three times.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kitkat53 on February 14, 2009, 11:36:42 AM
Maybe you've seen this already but the dad is a very bad guy.  I can't believe the children were placed with him after reading this doc.  These children were in danger by just living with him.



Wow. Thanks for posting that.  Crystal said on NG that she did not show up for court because the address that was given for her was not where she lived. I guess Ronald gave them the wrong address so she wouldn't show up to court IDK. Sounds like it was a very stressful the children.  Just by his threats that we heard being made on the 911 calls (which I can understand his anger) it does seem that he has some anger issues.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 14, 2009, 11:37:58 AM
I didn't want to be judgemental but my first thought about the father was that he had a bad termper and was probably an abuser....just from his 911 call and the way he talked about his girlfriend in the policy report. 

I wonder if LE has questioned Junior about any abuse he may have had from the father.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 11:39:36 AM
 supersleuth99

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 14, 2009, 11:39:44 AM
I didn't want to be judgemental but my first thought about the father was that he had a bad termper and was probably an abuser....just from his 911 call and the way he talked about his girlfriend in the policy report. 

I wonder if LE has questioned Junior about any abuse he may have had from the father.

**oops, meant police not policy

(in my line of work I type that word about 500 times a day...habit...lol)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: summermonkey on February 14, 2009, 11:41:27 AM
I didn't want to be judgemental but my first thought about the father was that he had a bad termper and was probably an abuser....just from his 911 call and the way he talked about his girlfriend in the policy report. 

I wonder if LE has questioned Junior about any abuse he may have had from the father.

He didn't even know her birthday..... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: joesamas mama on February 14, 2009, 11:41:35 AM
Maybe you've seen this already but the dad is a very bad guy.  I can't believe the children were placed with him after reading this doc.  These children were in danger by just living with him.


WOW! The mom found Haleigh floating in a canal and had to revive her because the dad let her wander off? OMG, didn't the tracking dogs track her scent to a lake?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: summermonkey on February 14, 2009, 11:44:14 AM
Maybe you've seen this already but the dad is a very bad guy.  I can't believe the children were placed with him after reading this doc.  These children were in danger by just living with him.


WOW! The mom found Haleigh floating in a canal and had to revive her because the dad let her wander off? OMG, didn't the tracking dogs track her scent to a lake?

I think this story happened about 3 years ago.....the mom said that the dad used this against her in court.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: joesamas mama on February 14, 2009, 11:45:46 AM
Maybe you've seen this already but the dad is a very bad guy.  I can't believe the children were placed with him after reading this doc.  These children were in danger by just living with him.


WOW! The mom found Haleigh floating in a canal and had to revive her because the dad let her wander off? OMG, didn't the tracking dogs track her scent to a lake?

I think this story happened about 3 years ago.....the mom said that the dad used this against her in court.....
Oh I guess I read it wrong. I thought that it said the dad let her wander off and the mom found her floating in a canal.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: summermonkey on February 14, 2009, 11:52:41 AM
Maybe you've seen this already but the dad is a very bad guy.  I can't believe the children were placed with him after reading this doc.  These children were in danger by just living with him.


WOW! The mom found Haleigh floating in a canal and had to revive her because the dad let her wander off? OMG, didn't the tracking dogs track her scent to a lake?

I think this story happened about 3 years ago.....the mom said that the dad used this against her in court.....
Oh I guess I read it wrong. I thought that it said the dad let her wander off and the mom found her floating in a canal.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I think Crystal's mom (bio maternal grandma) was being interviewed and told the story that Crytal was putting Junior in the car and dad was supposed to bring Haleigh....after Junior was put in her carseat Crystal went back to the house to get the diaper bag and saw Haleigh floating face down....it doesn't sound like anyone has ever watched these kids very closely,,...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 14, 2009, 11:52:56 AM
The Dad does seem like a very bad guy. The Mom probably didn't make much of an effort to fight for custody. This man seems like an abuser. Bio Mom was probably beaten down emotionally by the time they split up. Maybe they gave custody to him becasue Bio Mom wasn't there and the order was made in her absence. The courts here and I assume the USA always rule in favor of the Mom with small children unless ...... fill in  the blanks...
with some very bad stuff.
....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 11:55:31 AM
Maybe you've seen this already but the dad is a very bad guy.  I can't believe the children were placed with him after reading this doc.  These children were in danger by just living with him.


WOW! The mom found Haleigh floating in a canal and had to revive her because the dad let her wander off? OMG, didn't the tracking dogs track her scent to a lake?

I think this story happened about 3 years ago.....the mom said that the dad used this against her in court.....
Oh I guess I read it wrong. I thought that it said the dad let her wander off and the mom found her floating in a canal.  ::MonkeyConfused::

That's what I read too.....that the dad was the one that let Haliegh wonder off and the mom found her floating face down in a canal ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 11:59:09 AM
The Dad does seem like a very bad guy. The Mom probably didn't make much of an effort to fight for custody. This man seems like an abuser. Bio Mom was probably beaten down emotionally by the time they split up. Maybe they gave custody to him becasue Bio Mom wasn't there and the order was made in her absence. The courts here and I assume the USA always rule in favor of the Mom with small children unless ...... fill in  the blanks...
with some very bad stuff.
....


Usually that is the case, but my ex got custody of his 2 small boys from his prior wife even though the court ordered psyhcologist ruled that the kids should shat with the mom.............he looked like the perfect father WRONG!!!!!!!! He was the one that molested my/his 3yr old son and I suspect that he did the sone with my stepsons because theystayed with me after our divorce. Sometimes the courts DO get it wrong.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 12:00:41 PM
Ok, I am going to go out on a limb here, hope I don't fall off.

Today Marie (maternal gm) was asked if Crystals side of family had taken Poly.

She said they have been ask to, have filled out the paper work but had not taken it yet.

We know that Ronald and Misty have taken it. IF one or both had failed it, there would be no need for others to take it imo.

If Crystal takes a poly, wouldn't that tell us that Ronald and Misty have been ruled out as suspects? Not saying that Crystal or her family are involved, just trying to

piece some of this together.

If Crystal and family does not take a poly soon, then doesn't that tell us that it is not needed because they have a suspect, just not naming one yet?

One thing for sure LE is not leaking anything in this case.

Just some of my thoughts tonight..

Be Gentle please..

OS

Also Painter, why has Misty stated she took 2 poly's unless one was inconclusive, why 2?  Also I figure her's may not be released as to her being a minor or no charge of a crime yet?  But there is no reason not to release Ronald's Poly, he stated he passed, buuuttt. 

One other thing I believe it said on that initial police report or somewhere that a tape was taken from the trailer, what would that be and why would they take that?






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 14, 2009, 12:02:21 PM
Search for Haleigh Cummings puts tiny Satsuma in spotlight

 (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-missing-florida-girl-haleigh-satsuma-021309,0,3574774.story?page=1&track=rss)
Helen Eckinger and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
7:15 PM EST, February 13, 2009

SATSUMA - Four days ago, few outside Putnam County had ever heard of this one-traffic-light town nestled along the St. Johns River.

Now, dozens of reporters and satellite trucks have converged on Satsuma to tell the world of one of this community's saddest stories: The disappearance of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

The fair-haired girl vanished late Monday or early Tuesday as her younger brother and father's girlfriend slept in a mobile home.

Authorities continue to treat the case as an abduction but are releasing little information.

Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy refused to speculate, saying: "I'm dealing with the facts."

Investigators have followed up on more than 350 leads and have sent evidence to be tested in a Jacksonville forensic lab.

The 44 registered sex offenders who live within 5 miles of Haleigh's double-wide have been questioned and their residences searched, Hardy said.

Volunteers from Texas EquuSearch -- a Houston-based search group -- joined law-enforcement searchers today and scoured thick woods beyond the original 5-square-mile search zone.

The search yielded "items of interest," but Putnam County sheriff's officials would not say what the items were, who found them or what makes them notable.

Searchers carrying little orange flags -- to mark potential evidence -- and walking sticks were seen marching down Buffalo Bluff Road, the main two-lane road near Haleigh's neighborhood.

"I think that everyone here brought their hearts and determination," said EquuSearch founder Tim Miller. "We just need that little bit of luck to go along with it."

The scene was reminiscent of EquuSearch's work for 2-year-old Caylee Anthony, the Orlando toddler who was reported missing in July. Her mother, Casey Anthony, 22, was charged with first-degree murder before the girl's remains were found in December.

"It's little Caylee Anthony all over again," said 74-year-old Erma Rice as the she sat outside her Satsuma mobile home watching media crews set up for the afternoon news conference. "But here we don't know who it (the suspect) is."

In Satsuma, businesses have plastered posters bearing Haleigh's picture on their windows, and the local Christian rock station, WHIF Hope FM, has taken to broadcasting regular updates.

Outside Mema's diner on U.S. Highway 17, which offered all-you-can-eat catfish today, a sign read "Pray for Haleigh" above an advertisement for banana splits. Inside the restaurant, one of two in Satsuma, Haleigh is the main topic.

"It's been the only conversation," said waitress Kim Smith, 32.

The father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, told sheriff's investigators that she was sharing a bed with Haleigh when the little girl disappeared.

Marie Griffis, Haleigh's maternal grandmother, said Croslin has given conflicting accounts of that night to media outlets.

"Why so many stories?" Griffis said.


The Orlando Sentinel could not reach Croslin on Friday, and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, declined several requests for comment, though they have denied any involvement during televised interviews.

Sheriff's officials said they are sticking with their original interview with Croslin and would not comment further on the discrepancies.

Mema's customers talk about rumors heard from friends and what they saw on the "Nancy Grace" show the night before.

"I never thought I would live to see the name Satsuma on television," said Henry Hof, 62, as he sipped coffee at the counter.

Before Haleigh's disappearance, the biggest excitement in recent years was the opening of the Family Dollar store on U.S. 17.

"That's our Wal-Mart," said Rice.

Driving up from the south on U.S. 17, visitors' first sight of Satsuma is Paradise Auto Repair -- where drivers can get "New Tires Used" -- and the House of the Reconciled church.

Nobody seems to know exactly how many people live in Satsuma. The total ranges from 1,700 to 5,000 -- depending on whom is asked. The community was named in 1886 for its satsuma oranges, according to Allen Morris' Florida Place Names.

Now it's a community with vastly different residents -- out-of-state retirees looking for a quiet place to live out their years and locals born and raised in mobile homes with well water and septic tanks.

Several residents said that drug use is common.

"There ain't much else to do around here," said 20-year-old Matthew Ross, who runs the local barber shop with his brother.

Most folks work at the paper mill and electric company several miles north in Palatka.

And, their children were once allowed to run through the woods and play outside unattended without concern.

"This actually was one of those places where you can turn your back on your children and not worry about them being gone," said Connie Winkler, 32, outside the Family Dollar. "But that's changed."

Since Tuesday, she no longer allows her children to play outside.


Looks like JB may have found the place to move the KC trial to.. ugggg


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 12:03:14 PM
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/VIDEO/902130302/-1/entertainment?Title=Ronald___Misty_Speak_to_Media

Ronald & Misty Speak to Media


Published: Friday, February 13, 2009 at 6:01 a.m.
Last Modified: Saturday, February 14, 2009 at 1:36 a.m.
Misty Croslin, 17, the girlfriend of Ronald Cummings, the father of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings, speaks to the media for the first time about her disappearance. Video by Doug Finger




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JuJu on February 14, 2009, 12:14:01 PM
The Dad does seem like a very bad guy. The Mom probably didn't make much of an effort to fight for custody. This man seems like an abuser. Bio Mom was probably beaten down emotionally by the time they split up. Maybe they gave custody to him becasue Bio Mom wasn't there and the order was made in her absence. The courts here and I assume the USA always rule in favor of the Mom with small children unless ...... fill in  the blanks...
with some very bad stuff.
....


Usually that is the case, but my ex got custody of his 2 small boys from his prior wife even though the court ordered psyhcologist ruled that the kids should shat with the mom.............he looked like the perfect father WRONG!!!!!!!! He was the one that molested my/his 3yr old son and I suspect that he did the sone with my stepsons because theystayed with me after our divorce. Sometimes the courts DO get it wrong.


yes they do island , yes they do  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 12:15:52 PM
I have concerns with this, taken from a news report, especially the part I bolded:

Sheffield's mother, Marie, told Van Susteren that the children seemed to be doing well living with their father.

"Haleigh told us they’ve been hit, and stuff like that, but to this point, everything was fine," Marie Sheffield said.

Police had never been called to the home in the past — but there have been prior problems with Cummings, Croslin and the children, Putnam County Capt. Steve Rose said.

"There have been some investigations done through the department of children and family," Rose told FOX News on Wednesday. He didn't elaborate.


Also it has been reported (somewhere) that the mother has said that during home visits with her, the kids have said 'they didn't want to go back'.

On the bolded part above... How could they figure that 'everything was fine', when Haleigh TOLD THEM that they've been hit?  Think of what could have been happening that she may have been afraid of telling about! 

Sigh...

When will people get it?  Believe the children!!  Children this young rarely are deceitful. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: darla on February 14, 2009, 12:25:55 PM
Has anyone heard if they have tried to talk to the little boy? Kids that age usually will tell any and everything.I have 5 small grands and it takes them half the day to tell me everything that has gone on since the last time I talked with them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 12:26:29 PM
The Dad does seem like a very bad guy. The Mom probably didn't make much of an effort to fight for custody. This man seems like an abuser. Bio Mom was probably beaten down emotionally by the time they split up. Maybe they gave custody to him becasue Bio Mom wasn't there and the order was made in her absence. The courts here and I assume the USA always rule in favor of the Mom with small children unless ...... fill in  the blanks...
with some very bad stuff.
....


Usually that is the case, but my ex got custody of his 2 small boys from his prior wife even though the court ordered psyhcologist ruled that the kids should shat with the mom.............he looked like the perfect father WRONG!!!!!!!! He was the one that molested my/his 3yr old son and I suspect that he did the sone with my stepsons because theystayed with me after our divorce. Sometimes the courts DO get it wrong.


yes they do island , yes they do  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's a D@mn shame, but I read a book after learning what happened to my son Every Mother's Nightmare, and in it I learned that when mothers claim abuse during a divorce they are often not belived because the judges think the moms are using this and are lying. My case was different because I already had a default judgement, and then I learned what happened-took another two yrs fro the judge to issue a court ordered divorce vs a marital dissolution agreement. My son's pyschiatrist actually kept my book for himself because it was a great resource and full of info on SO's.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 12:29:19 PM
I have concerns with this, taken from a news report, especially the part I bolded:

Sheffield's mother, Marie, told Van Susteren that the children seemed to be doing well living with their father.

"Haleigh told us they’ve been hit, and stuff like that, but to this point, everything was fine," Marie Sheffield said.

Police had never been called to the home in the past — but there have been prior problems with Cummings, Croslin and the children, Putnam County Capt. Steve Rose said.

"There have been some investigations done through the department of children and family," Rose told FOX News on Wednesday. He didn't elaborate.


Also it has been reported (somewhere) that the mother has said that during home visits with her, the kids have said 'they didn't want to go back'.

On the bolded part above... How could they figure that 'everything was fine', when Haleigh TOLD THEM that they've been hit?  Think of what could have been happening that she may have been afraid of telling about! 

Sigh...

When will people get it?  Believe the children!!  Children this young rarely are deceitful. 


scary isn't it? I read where bio mom filed a complaint regarding domestic abuse IIRC and the court tossed it.

But, as I learned Wyks, children DO not lie about abuse at such a young age, and are often ashamed to tell everything.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 14, 2009, 12:33:33 PM
When I made my comment about who gets custody, I said usually.
I know it happens and some of their custody arrangements are not correct either.
Sometimes, the one who would have to pay child support to the other party just downright lies and files motion after motion. And sometimes, they stoop pretty low at that. I wasn't making any kind of a global statement.
We probably all know parents who have received the sh&t end of the stick from the courts.
What I was trying to get at is a woman who is / had been abused, like I suspect Bio Mom was might not have had the inner strength to keep fighting on the kids behalf. I was trying to give the Bio Mom some other reason than she was badder than the Bio Dad.
Haleigh's Mumma is going thru hell right now and I don't want to pick on her without having some knowledge of what had transpired in the past.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 12:38:37 PM
When I made my comment about who gets custody, I said usually.
I know it happens and some of their custody arrangements are not correct either.
Sometimes, the one who would have to pay child support to the other party just downright lies and files motion after motion. And sometimes, they stoop pretty low at that. I wasn't making any kind of a global statement.
We probably all know parents who have received the sh&t end of the stick from the courts.
What I was trying to get at is a woman who is / had been abused, like I suspect Bio Mom was might not have had the inner strength to keep fighting on the kids behalf. I was trying to give the Bio Mom some other reason than she was badder than the Bio Dad.
Haleigh's Mumma is going thru hell right now and I don't want to pick on her without having some knowledge of what had transpired in the past.

I agree~I think i read she was even hopsitalized.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JuJu on February 14, 2009, 12:43:31 PM
in reference to the court docs posted earlier the dad had been known to use and sell loratab and xanax.  i believe i read somewhere that loratab and xanax can affect the results of a poly???  if he was using most likely the girlfriend was too.  it also concerns me that the dad is 8 yrs. older than the girlfriend......

i also have to get something done in my house today so i will be popping in and out... ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JuJu on February 14, 2009, 12:59:53 PM
When I made my comment about who gets custody, I said usually.
I know it happens and some of their custody arrangements are not correct either.
Sometimes, the one who would have to pay child support to the other party just downright lies and files motion after motion. And sometimes, they stoop pretty low at that. I wasn't making any kind of a global statement.
We probably all know parents who have received the sh&t end of the stick from the courts.
What I was trying to get at is a woman who is / had been abused, like I suspect Bio Mom was might not have had the inner strength to keep fighting on the kids behalf. I was trying to give the Bio Mom some other reason than she was badder than the Bio Dad.
Haleigh's Mumma is going thru hell right now and I don't want to pick on her without having some knowledge of what had transpired in the past.

i agree with you kat, i was not making a reference to anything you said....i'm sorry


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 14, 2009, 01:11:08 PM
I just didn't want anyone who did get that awful end of the stick thinking that I was making some sort of a judgement. Or that the courts always follow the best interest of the child rule.
BioMom was taken to the hospital, from not eating and dehydration. Big time stress for the GP's too.
I just waffle around thinking that the gf is involved to not. Maybe she is just an air head girl.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 01:11:16 PM
Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of Haleigh search

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/1002?Title=Apology__call_for_unity_on_Day_5_of_Haleigh_search (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/1002?Title=Apology__call_for_unity_on_Day_5_of_Haleigh_search)

PALATKA - Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.

"I'm too old to be criticizing the two, because they're still babies," she said, referring to 25-year-old Cummings and 17-year-old Croslin. "I feel maybe I've done some damage to Misty's heart, and I can't live with myself for doing that.

"The Lord knows I want to apologize ... and I want to do it face to face," she said.

Haleigh's younger brother, Ronald Jr., who was with his mother, Crystal Sheffield, on Saturday as part of the custody agreement, turns 4 on Sunday, and Griffis said she would like for both sides of the family to celebrate the day together somewhere.

"We have to do it for Haleigh," she said.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 01:17:03 PM
I have concerns with this, taken from a news report, especially the part I bolded:

Sheffield's mother, Marie, told Van Susteren that the children seemed to be doing well living with their father.

"Haleigh told us they’ve been hit, and stuff like that, but to this point, everything was fine," Marie Sheffield said.

Police had never been called to the home in the past — but there have been prior problems with Cummings, Croslin and the children, Putnam County Capt. Steve Rose said.

"There have been some investigations done through the department of children and family," Rose told FOX News on Wednesday. He didn't elaborate.


Also it has been reported (somewhere) that the mother has said that during home visits with her, the kids have said 'they didn't want to go back'.

On the bolded part above... How could they figure that 'everything was fine', when Haleigh TOLD THEM that they've been hit?  Think of what could have been happening that she may have been afraid of telling about! 

Sigh...

When will people get it?  Believe the children!!  Children this young rarely are deceitful. 


scary isn't it? I read where bio mom filed a complaint regarding domestic abuse IIRC and the court tossed it.

But, as I learned Wyks, children DO not lie about abuse at such a young age, and are often ashamed to tell everything.

Yes, it IS scary, island... and so very sad.  How many times the courts across the USA have overlooked and disregarded things, only to look back with regret later on. 

And yes, often children are ashamed to tell everything, plus many have been threatened with more abuse if they tell.  Not saying this is what happened with Haleigh and lil bro, but will not be at all surprised if we find out later down the road that it is. 

I just wish adults who hear even a lil tidbit of info from a child will pay strict attention to that child's situation. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: stayhomemommy on February 14, 2009, 01:23:34 PM
Well, I know people say things certain ways when under stress, but it really bothers me that the dad's gf referred to Haleigh as, "...that little girl." I don't want to make more of it than it might be, but just bothers me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 01:35:05 PM
Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of Haleigh search

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/1002?Title=Apology__call_for_unity_on_Day_5_of_Haleigh_search (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/1002?Title=Apology__call_for_unity_on_Day_5_of_Haleigh_search)

PALATKA - Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.

"I'm too old to be criticizing the two, because they're still babies," she said, referring to 25-year-old Cummings and 17-year-old Croslin. "I feel maybe I've done some damage to Misty's heart, and I can't live with myself for doing that.

"The Lord knows I want to apologize ... and I want to do it face to face," she said.

Haleigh's younger brother, Ronald Jr., who was with his mother, Crystal Sheffield, on Saturday as part of the custody agreement, turns 4 on Sunday, and Griffis said she would like for both sides of the family to celebrate the day together somewhere.

"We have to do it for Haleigh," she said.



wow~i have alot of admiration for her!

O/T pls excuse my spelling today, I had too many bushwhackers last night ::MonkeyConfused:: Someone really should have told me ahead of time that they have 151 in them ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: stayhomemommy on February 14, 2009, 01:43:02 PM

wow~i have alot of admiration for her!

O/T pls excuse my spelling today, I had too many bushwhackers last night ::MonkeyConfused:: Someone really should have told me ahead of time that they have 151 in them ::MonkeyEek::

Oh wow! I LOVE those! Haven't had on since I was last visiting Florida...that was like 1993, I think...LOL


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 01:48:43 PM
I have concerns with this, taken from a news report, especially the part I bolded:

Sheffield's mother, Marie, told Van Susteren that the children seemed to be doing well living with their father.

"Haleigh told us they’ve been hit, and stuff like that, but to this point, everything was fine," Marie Sheffield said.

Police had never been called to the home in the past — but there have been prior problems with Cummings, Croslin and the children, Putnam County Capt. Steve Rose said.

"There have been some investigations done through the department of children and family," Rose told FOX News on Wednesday. He didn't elaborate.


Also it has been reported (somewhere) that the mother has said that during home visits with her, the kids have said 'they didn't want to go back'.

On the bolded part above... How could they figure that 'everything was fine', when Haleigh TOLD THEM that they've been hit?  Think of what could have been happening that she may have been afraid of telling about! 

Sigh...

When will people get it?  Believe the children!!  Children this young rarely are deceitful. 


scary isn't it? I read where bio mom filed a complaint regarding domestic abuse IIRC and the court tossed it.

But, as I learned Wyks, children DO not lie about abuse at such a young age, and are often ashamed to tell everything.

Yes, it IS scary, island... and so very sad.  How many times the courts across the USA have overlooked and disregarded things, only to look back with regret later on. 

And yes, often children are ashamed to tell everything, plus many have been threatened with more abuse if they tell.  Not saying this is what happened with Haleigh and lil bro, but will not be at all surprised if we find out later down the road that it is. 

I just wish adults who hear even a lil tidbit of info from a child will pay strict attention to that child's situation. 


Well said....even more sad is that courts often think young kids will lie OR don't know the difference  between being coached about something and being honest. My son's pyschiatrist told me it is EXTREMELY rare, like maybe 2% of the time that young kids would tell a story that they were coached into telling, but he also said the courts should see the shame and embarrasment that he sees in his office everyday and they'd change their mind ::MonkeyNoNo:: Also, I think they should be able to testify thru a victim's advocate or via video and not having to face the person who has abused them face to face ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 01:52:05 PM

wow~i have alot of admiration for her!

O/T pls excuse my spelling today, I had too many bushwhackers last night ::MonkeyConfused:: Someone really should have told me ahead of time that they have 151 in them ::MonkeyEek::

Oh wow! I LOVE those! Haven't had on since I was last visiting Florida...that was like 1993, I think...LOL

I wish you'd have had mine instead of me.....my head looks like this now ::MonkeyConfused:: first and last bushwhacker for me, unless they come with something other than 151 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 01:55:19 PM
a different perspective on bio-mom.

I think these families have been at each other from the beginning and now it's time to join together for Haleigh, regardless.  Also if bio mom was/is so wonderfull and knew abuse was going down she's had plenty of time since 2005 to regain custody of the children or atleast make an attempt w/the courts, just saying.  IMO she's gone on w/her life and neglected these 2, she didn't inquire about the school situation with Haleigh missing days, she does not seem to know much about the sleeping arrangements or household routines or have even been in the house, they even state the kids say they were hit and than did nothing about it.  She had 2 yrs to take action and failed to do so and I don't want to hear excuses, she was out of that house and out of his control, her children were not.  I apologize if I seem harsh, but I have little sympathy for a golden madonna who turns up when the child is already gone and starts spewing trash about past damages that she could have very well taken care of in this time.  Her whole story about the canal incident, reviving a 3 yr old, where is the report on that?  Most normal people would have taken a toddler to the hospital to just maybe get them checked over.  No she's not getting any points in my eyes.

Also just an aside to spousal abuse, I've known women who fabricate stories of abuse personally and seen it before my very eyes.  I have a particular couple in the family that we refer to as "Saturday Night Special"  a little booze does strange things to some people.  I've always taken the woman's side but after observing a few episodes of this behavior you get kinda numb to those who cry wolf while drugging and boozing.  I mean if he's whacking you, he's also gotta sleep sometime and a big bat is self defense if you've got the bruises to prove it.  I know this is easier said than done, but I gotta be me. There are too many resources out there for this type of behavior to hold you back.  She claims to have a better job, a new house, yadda yadda. Sorry for the rant.  And I do feel sorry for her, but when she grabs the attention away from Haleigh by whinning and not eating and having to go to the hospital, I just want to smack her.  She reminds me of Cindy.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 01:58:54 PM
May have already been posted:

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-14/story/fifth_day_of_search_for_haleigh_brings_sense_of_gloom

Fifth day of search for Haleigh brings sense of gloom
Family, volunteers worried about Putnam girl's well-being
By Jim Schoettler Story updated at 12:45 PM on Saturday, Feb. 14, 2009 EMAIL PRINT BLOG THIS COMMENT Buzz up!   
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A growing sense of gloom and hopelessness for the well-being of Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings has fallen over the little girl’s south Putnam neighborhood as the search for her continues into its fifth day.

More than 200 people on horseback, all-terrain vehicles and foot resumed their search about 9 a.m. this morning, with no signs from police or others that anything new has developed. The search for the 5-year-old girl has gone on through periods of rain and dark skies, reflecting the mood of those hoping to still find Haleigh alive.

Family members of the missing kindergartner said they are growing worried with each passing hour. The families of the mother, Crystal Sheffield, and father, Ronald Cummings, remain under and around tents set up down the road from each other.

 “I just feel like if we don’t find her today, where do we go from here?” said a tearful Connie Sheffield, 29, the stepmother of Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield. “They been searching so far out. They’re not checking cars anymore. There are no helicopters up.”

Teresa Neves, Haleigh's paternal grandmother, said she continues to believe someone abducted her granddaughter. Neves wept as she spoke about struggling with the idea that her granddaughter may be suffering at the hands of a stranger.

"It's harder every minute," said Neves, 49. "I just trust in God to bring out baby home alive.

Volunteers showing up for the search are counting the hours and minutes that the girl has been missing and have grown worried, said Carolyn Todd, who is with the Texas-based search group known as Equusearch.

“They don’t like the feel of this,” Todd said. “They don’t think we’re going to find a well child.”

Haleigh was last seen asleep in her blue mobile home Monday night by Misty Croslin, the girlfriend of her father, Ronald Cummings. Investigators have said no one has been ruled out as a suspect. They have repeatedly interviewed family members and have also talked with 44 sexual predators who live in or near the area.

Police have received more than 350 leads. Authorities called the Friday's search "very productive" and said some type of evidence was recovered, but they have not elaborated on what was found.

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office plans to give a news briefing at 4 p.m.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Miki Monkey on February 14, 2009, 02:00:14 PM
Has anyone heard anything about the visit to the home of Misty by her brother and 2 nephews? I wonder if he has taken a lie detector test yet, also I think an air conditioner repair man visited that day too. Did anyone see Haleigh other than family after school when dad picked her up ? I can't find much info LE are withholding a lot of information it seems.

The thing that concerns me most about it is that someone was able to walk into the trailer, stop by the kitchen put the light on, enter the bedroom where 3 people were sleeping pick up the little girl without her making any noise and then leave without being heard or seen. This doesn't make any sense.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 02:09:43 PM
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-14/story/lonely_little_brother_waiting_for_haleigh

Lonely little brother waiting for Haleigh
Deputies, volunteers search region; 'The world is a suspect,' sheriff says
By Bridget Murphy Story updated at 12:01 PM on Saturday, Feb. 14, 2009 EMAIL PRINT BLOG THIS COMMENT


SATSUMA - Ronald Cummings Jr. will turn 4 years old Sunday, a birthday his family isn't sure they'll remind him about.

Valentine's Day may not mean much to a tyke like him, but today's holiday arrived early Friday morning with someone from his sister's school dropping off candy and gifts from her classmates.

"We love you Haleigh," said a card all her kindergarten classmates signed.

But how do you explain to a little boy why his 5-year-old sister wasn't home to get the gifts? How do you tell him that police suspect someone abducted Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings while the siblings were supposed to be snug in bed?

"When he's here by himself, he's a little bit lonely," his paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, said Friday of the little boy their family calls "Junior."

"We just tell him that Haleigh's not here right now. We're not going to do doom and gloom."

But there was news later Friday that offered some hope, with authorities announcing on the fourth day of their investigation they had found new evidence. It happened after more than 100 civilian volunteers teamed with police to broaden the search for Haleigh in the thick woods around her family's Green Lane mobile home near the banks of the St. Johns River.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office wouldn't give details about the evidence or where it was found, with Capt. Steve Rose describing the findings as "items of interest." Authorities wouldn't say if the discovery hinted that Haleigh was alive.

But they said state crime lab personnel have made processing all the evidence in the abduction case their first priority.

Friday they were continuing to interview and re-interview Haleigh's family members and others they didn't identify. They said they had finished speaking with the registered sex offenders who live within 5 miles of the mobile home park in the Hermit's Cove area.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy said Friday morning that investigators hadn't zeroed in on any suspects.

"At this time, the world is a suspect and we really haven't excluded anybody," he said.

The sheriff also said law enforcement officials have chased roughly 350 leads so far.

No comment from sheriff

Hardy wouldn't comment when asked about an inconsistency that emerged Thursday in the account of the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings.

Misty Croslin first reported that Haleigh had been in bed with her before she woke and found her gone about 3 a.m. as Cummings arrived home. On Thursday, she told reporters they were in separate beds.

She told the Times-Union on Friday that she did change her story "a little bit" because she got mixed up. There is another bed in the same room that Haleigh was sleeping in, according to Neves, Haleigh's grandmother.

Neves said the family is standing by Croslin and doesn't believe she would do Haleigh any harm. Croslin said officials advised her not to speak with the media anymore. Cummings, 25, said he and his girlfriend took lie-detector tests and believes they passed. Investigators haven't confirmed the results.

Authoritiesregularly checked in on Cummings and his family Friday, taking him at one point to meet members of Texas EquuSearch, a volunteer search group.

On Friday morning they sent 10 teams of searchers into the woods on horses, all-terrain vehicles and on foot to look for Haleigh. By day's end, Cummings was wearing a T-shirt like one many wore. "Lost is not alone," it read.

Haleigh's father and her mother, Crystal Sheffield, said they were pleased by the support of volunteers. Cummings has had custody of both Haleigh and Junior.

Family appreciates help

"I think it's wonderful that everybody's helping," said Sheffield, 23, while gathering with her family outside the mobile home park's fence.

That was one of the places where a memorial to Haleigh went up. Signs from family also appealed to anyone who passed by to please bring their baby home.

Volunteers who enlisted for that cause included horseback riders Wanda Cassidy, 58, of Green Cove Springs and Tracy Mitchell, 51, of Jacksonville's Westside.

The friends brought their horses to the area to search the grounds with other volunteers from Texas EquuSearch. The group has assisted authorities with cases like the disappearance of teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and slain Orlando girl Caylee Anthony.

"I was so excited to be able to do something," Cassidy said before shoving off. "You hear about these things but you don't know what you can do."

Neves said her son and the rest of the family would hold a candlelight vigil Friday night, as they have every night since Haleigh disappeared.

She and her sister Tina Belcher, Haleigh's aunt, smiled when they looked at Thursday night's candles still burning below a table full of Valentines and teddy bears and photos. There also was a packet of fruit chews someone left amid the tribute for Haleigh.

That someone was Junior, Belcher said, explaining how her nephew insisted on buying his sister a treat when she took him into a convenience store.

"We've got to get one for Sissy," the almost-4-year-old told his aunt about the fruit chews. "We'll give her the candy when she gets home."



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 02:19:37 PM
Quote
I just feel like if we don’t find her today, where do we go from here?” said a tearful Connie Sheffield, 29, the stepmother of Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield.
Isn't Crystal 24?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 02:24:01 PM
Quote
I just feel like if we don’t find her today, where do we go from here?” said a tearful Connie Sheffield, 29, the stepmother of Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield.
Isn't Crystal 24?

Yes 23 or 24.  Maybe a typo? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 02:29:43 PM
a different perspective on bio-mom.

I think these families have been at each other from the beginning and now it's time to join together for Haleigh, regardless.  Also if bio mom was/is so wonderfull and knew abuse was going down she's had plenty of time since 2005 to regain custody of the children or atleast make an attempt w/the courts, just saying.  IMO she's gone on w/her life and neglected these 2, she didn't inquire about the school situation with Haleigh missing days, she does not seem to know much about the sleeping arrangements or household routines or have even been in the house, they even state the kids say they were hit and than did nothing about it.  She had 2 yrs to take action and failed to do so and I don't want to hear excuses, she was out of that house and out of his control, her children were not.  I apologize if I seem harsh, but I have little sympathy for a golden madonna who turns up when the child is already gone and starts spewing trash about past damages that she could have very well taken care of in this time.  Her whole story about the canal incident, reviving a 3 yr old, where is the report on that?  Most normal people would have taken a toddler to the hospital to just maybe get them checked over.  No she's not getting any points in my eyes.

Also just an aside to spousal abuse, I've known women who fabricate stories of abuse personally and seen it before my very eyes.  I have a particular couple in the family that we refer to as "Saturday Night Special"  a little booze does strange things to some people.  I've always taken the woman's side but after observing a few episodes of this behavior you get kinda numb to those who cry wolf while drugging and boozing.  I mean if he's whacking you, he's also gotta sleep sometime and a big bat is self defense if you've got the bruises to prove it.  I know this is easier said than done, but I gotta be me. There are too many resources out there for this type of behavior to hold you back.  She claims to have a better job, a new house, yadda yadda. Sorry for the rant.  And I do feel sorry for her, but when she grabs the attention away from Haleigh by whinning and not eating and having to go to the hospital, I just want to smack her.  She reminds me of Cindy.

While I respect your take on this, I was married to a man who had custody of his kids who shouldn't have, he wouldn't let them talk to her on the phone when she called, he always had an excuse, when she would fly from Ca to Tn to visit he would arrange a trip to the lake in the middle of winter .........he did everything he could to alienate them from her and succeeded even when she tried over and over to reverse custody, once the judge fined her for trying an order to show cause $17,000 ::MonkeyNoNo:: He did this so secretively that I never knew until we were living in the same house, he taped the phone calls he let her have with them, you name it he did it. I finally had it and would take the kids for ice cream myself and make sure they called their mother. When to oldest graduated HS, he disinvited her to the party at the house. that was the last straw-it was my d2mn house and I re-invited her and made sure my family made her feel welcome. His kids now don't speak to him, lived live me after the divorce, changed their phone #'s and alienate him. He basically out manuevered her in court, but he is in his own living hell now and one he deserves. I won't judge her because I know there are 2 sides to every story, and I lived the other side.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
in reference to the court docs posted earlier the dad had been known to use and sell loratab and xanax.  i believe i read somewhere that loratab and xanax can affect the results of a poly???  if he was using most likely the girlfriend was too.  it also concerns me that the dad is 8 yrs. older than the girlfriend......

i also have to get something done in my house today so i will be popping in and out... ::MonkeyWaa::


Bothers me too juju!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 14, 2009, 02:45:25 PM
something bothers me about the tracks fellow monkeys..

http://www.txexecutions.org/reports/368.asp

maybe something like this or a quick get away


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 02:58:47 PM
Don't get me wrong, I totally understand both sides, but she has taken no action that we have seen....that does not give me patience nor understanding of her bringing up the past greviances.  All I'm saying is she's no "Star Parent" herself and therefore has no right to keep bringing up crap that in my opinion has no relevance to this case.  It's all he said/she said by 2 very young people.  And the bulk of the resentment and crap is coming from her and her camp, if she is so bold now, it kinda makes me wonder who's telling the truth. She's putting the stories out there asking for judgement of the Father, so I will take it for how I see it.

You, yourself did not sit idly by, we all play a part in allowing these sob abusers to do things.  Screw me once, it's u, screw me twice, it's on me.  I've been with abusers and my inclination has always been to hit back, so they went on there merry way to find one who liked the game they were playing.  We live and we learn.  I've also known women who have taken the abuse, but the moment that same abuse came upon their children they were outta there, go figure.

Some say there hackles raised on Misty's 911, well I can't explain it but I have weird thoughts about bio-mom and what she is saying and doing does not help my feelings towards her.  She probably has no part in whatever happened to Haleigh, but she is not helping the situation either.  I mean why would she state she has a life insurance policy on Haleigh?  None of these people were gifted w/great brains.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cherjers on February 14, 2009, 03:09:11 PM
http://www.mahalo.com/Haleigh_Cummings

Another video link w/father and gf misty and interview w/aunt and grandmother

I don't think the age difference is that strange, but MO.  And maybe they all slept together till the dad got home cause she was afraid of the dark or just until they got to sleep than gf fell asleep herself.



If my 17 yo daughter was living with a 25 yo man I'd be VERY CONCERNED....MO
Lets face it--this is not an all american family-having said that it does not mean in anyway that this child is  not
as important as any other child that is missing--In fact more so.  The father and the girlfriend look like they both have a drug problem. The bio mom has to have her problems if she lost her daugter to Ronald.  Just get angry when people have children and dont care for them-it has nothing to do with being poor-You put your children first - you care for them-you protect them-you give up drugs.  Love and caring for a child does not have anything to do with money.  Money makes life easier-but it does not make you a good parent.  Loving makes you a good parent. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 14, 2009, 03:15:18 PM
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story...

Why Haleigh was afraid of the water....
snipped:

The motion says "During or about the month of July 2005, Ronald failed to keep control of the toddler Haleigh while she was in his care, and allowed her to wander off. The child was found and rescued by the mother, floating face down in the canal behind the house. The mother rescued and revived the child."


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 14, 2009, 03:18:29 PM
   Haleigh Cummings Court Documents 1 (1.4MB)
   Haleigh Cummings Court Documents 2 (366.0KB)

they have links there to court docs.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 14, 2009, 03:20:05 PM
Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of Haleigh search

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/1002?Title=Apology__call_for_unity_on_Day_5_of_Haleigh_search (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/1002?Title=Apology__call_for_unity_on_Day_5_of_Haleigh_search)

PALATKA - Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.

"I'm too old to be criticizing the two, because they're still babies," she said, referring to 25-year-old Cummings and 17-year-old Croslin. "I feel maybe I've done some damage to Misty's heart, and I can't live with myself for doing that.

"The Lord knows I want to apologize ... and I want to do it face to face," she said.

Haleigh's younger brother, Ronald Jr., who was with his mother, Crystal Sheffield, on Saturday as part of the custody agreement, turns 4 on Sunday, and Griffis said she would like for both sides of the family to celebrate the day together somewhere.

"We have to do it for Haleigh," she said.


wow~i have alot of admiration for her!

O/T pls excuse my spelling today, I had too many bushwhackers last night ::MonkeyConfused:: Someone really should have told me ahead of time that they have 151 in them ::MonkeyEek::

I must say this tells ALOT about the family dynamics.   The bio mom has done nothing but lie & avoid what the real truth of why she lost custody, how do I know this because her own father admitted that her substance abuse problems & not taking Haleigh to her scheduled doctor's appointment (Haleigh has a condition) is why she finally lost custody.   It is also bothersome that this fairly inactive mother is using Haleigh's disappearance more as a platform for her to be portrayed as a victim herself.  If you examine Ron Cummings rap sheet pretty much everything was tossed out/dismissed.  Not so with the bio mom.  In all of Crystal Sheffield's interviews prior to her mother coming out with this statement (usually Marie Griffis was by her side during the interviews) she consistently tried to point a finger at Ron.  The water incident involving Haleigh actually had the bio mother's scent detected at the water by canines.  I will bet that the maternal grandfather had a say in what these two women were doing & urged them to stop because he did not agree knowing the truth.   I have been involved in court cases in one way or another for many years via paralegal, court transcriptionist & then working for a reknown forensic psychologist for almost a decade or in child advocacy work - it is NOT a stretch that a bitter, unstable woman scorned (in her mind) will not go so far as to fabricate stories to get back at a spouse, so to suspect the ex/father in domestic situations as a general rule automatically can be a rush to judgment & a vital error regarding the welfare of the minors in that family.   Statistically it may be true that more men abuse their spouses and/or children but that does not mean that is factual in every instance.  It is very important NOT to have personal opinions, experiences or other cases used as a yard stick when handling each domestic case on an individual basis.

NOW, that being said it still remains to be seen if any drug use or whatever else on the part of Ron or his teen girlfriend actually is factual or not.  As I've stated early in this thread I suspect that Misty left the house when the children were sleeping & left the door open because she did not have a key to the house to get back in - that is a theory that is likely but no proof has come to light that indeed happened.  It is interesting that she now reported that she had visitors from 5-6PM that day, maybe she made plans to go out knowing Ron would be at work until 3AM, BUT again that is only a theory of a possibility that may have occurred.  Right now law enforcement is correct thus far that they have the case wide open & everyone is suspect - the facts will bear out in due time.   Misty's inconsistent statements as well as Crystal's history, the overall long-term living conditions & obvious lack of education/ignorance by this ENTIRE family circle or Ron's possible temperament issues ALL bother me personally.  Unlike the Casey Anthony case which has a ton of evidence what her involvement & past history is regarding the murder of Caylee is, we don't have enough circumstantial or direct evidence pointing in a particular direction in this case yet nor do we know if any of the family domestic situations matter if it turns out that a pedafile or other perp indeed abducted Haleigh, door left unlocked related or not.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 03:20:09 PM
Lunsford Act May Aid In Missing Girl's Case

 (http://www.wesh.com/news/18702636/detail.html)

SATSUMA, Fla. -- The Lunsford Act is the 2005 Florida law that was designed to punish sex offenders and reduce their ability to reoffend.

The act is named after Jessica Lunsford, who was abducted, raped, and killed by sex offender John Couey back in 2005.

Even though Authorities hope this is not the case with 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, they said they are checking all possibilities...[SNIPPED]

Jessica's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lunsford_Act) is the informal name given to a 2005 Florida law, as well as laws in several other states, designed to punish sex offenders and reduce their ability to re-offend. A version of Jessica's Law has been introduced on the federal level, known as the Jessica Lunsford Act.

The name is also used by the media to designate all legislation and potential legislation in other states modeled after the Florida law. Forty-two states have introduced such legislation since Florida's law was passed.

The law is named after Jessica Lunsford, a young Florida girl who was raped and murdered in February 2005 by John Couey, a previously convicted sex offender. Public outrage over this case spurred Florida officials to introduce this legislation. Among the key provisions of the law are a mandatory minimum sentence of 25 years in prison and lifetime electronic monitoring of adults convicted of lewd or lascivious acts against a victim less than 12 years old. In Florida, sexual battery or rape of a child less than twelve years old is punishable only by life imprisonment with no chance of parole.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cherjers on February 14, 2009, 03:22:05 PM
Hi Haileigh thread... after 4:30am here, and I am awake.

I have only ever posted in Caylee and Musings, but wow, just realized something that chilled me to the bone.  I had to "tell" someone!

Misty's story:  "I woke up at 3:XX, got out of bed to get water/use bathroom (depending on which version), saw kitchen light on, saw back door was open, then noticed Haleigh was gone.  Frantic, scared, called Ronnie, who was just driving into the yard at that moment.  He said to call 911 instead, so I did."

911 call came in at 3:27.  Ronnie gets off work at 3am.  It takes 25 or 26 minutes to drive the 16 miles, so the 911 call seems to line up time-wise.

But wait.  Here's what occurred to me:

Picture it.  You awaken.  It is after 3am, just about time for Ronnie to come home.  Sleepy, you crawl out of bed and head for the bathroom, and are surprised to see the kitchen light on when you know it was not on earlier.  Now you see that the back door, usually closed and locked, is wide open.

Misty says it freaked her out, and she went in and discovered Haleigh missing, and "that's all I know."

What would your thought have been, if you were Misty?

Remember, she says she awakened sometime after 3:00am, just before Ronnie was due home. Upon discovering the light and the open door, WHY didn't she simply assume that he must have arrived home minutes before she woke up?  He could have turned on the kitchen light, and opened the back door for some reason.  Why did she panic?  Why didn't she first just go out the door and look to see if he were home -- if it were him who had turned on the light and opened the door?

A small point, but it seems like a big glaring hole in the story to me.  It really bugs me.  That's why I had to come here and post!

And while we are on the subject, WHY did he have HER call 911?  He is the father, he is older; she is not even an adult.  It would have made much more sense for him to call. 

But wait a minute.  Another head-scratcher:  WHY was the 911 call placed within a minute of him driving up to the home, if his arrival indeed coincided with Misty's discovery that Haleigh was gone, as per her story?  Haleigh isn't in her bed!  Oh my God!  Where is she?  Wouldn't they have checked outside first?  Awakened the neighbors?  Searched around to see if she had perhaps wandered outside and gotten injured or lost?  Why did Ronnie IMMEDIATELY have Misty call 911 while he raged in the background about how he would kill whoever took her?  How did they IMMEDIATELY know Haleigh had been taken by someone?

And why was Ronnie right there on hand, apparently in the same room, while Misty was on the phone with the dispatch operator?  Why wasn't he out looking under trees and bushes, under the trailer, down the road, in neighbors' cars, yards, etc., while she called in the emergency?

Sorry for the long ramble, and sorry for busting into this thread like this... I was awake and troubled by my realization: that if Misty had awakened at the time she said she did, she would almost certainly have naturally assumed that the light and the open door were simply indications that Ronnie had come home from work -- and this is conspicuously absent from her account, IMO.

I hope they didn't hurt Haleigh... the bit about the blankets sounds so suspicious, too... I wish I had hope that she is okay, but after Tim Miller stated on camera that he doesn't think this is going to have a happy ending, I just feel so sad.

Oh, yes, saw in the police report that Haleigh was wearing pink shirt, tan shorts.
Previous report said a t-shirt and underwear.
Original report said pajamas.
Did I mention the confusing bit about the blankets?

*sigh*
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Desi

P.S.  Yes, it could have been an abduction by a child predator -- the area is crawling with 44 RSO's.  Well, I wonder: Would you be aware of that if you lived there?  Maybe Ronnie knows this, and perhaps is familiar with the Jessica Lunsford case? ..... Hate to be so suspicious, but their story just sounds wrong somehow.  I will humbly apologize here to Misty and Ronnie if I am mistaken about this.

Bingo  ::MonkeyNoNo::
BINGO BINGO BINGO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 03:26:32 PM
Quote
I just feel like if we don’t find her today, where do we go from here?” said a tearful Connie Sheffield, 29, the stepmother of Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield.
Isn't Crystal 24?

Connie is Crystal's "stepmother", looks like her father just remarried young.

   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 03:34:38 PM
Don't get me wrong, I totally understand both sides, but she has taken no action that we have seen....that does not give me patience nor understanding of her bringing up the past greviances.  All I'm saying is she's no "Star Parent" herself and therefore has no right to keep bringing up crap that in my opinion has no relevance to this case.  It's all he said/she said by 2 very young people.  And the bulk of the resentment and crap is coming from her and her camp, if she is so bold now, it kinda makes me wonder who's telling the truth. She's putting the stories out there asking for judgement of the Father, so I will take it for how I see it.

You, yourself did not sit idly by, we all play a part in allowing these sob abusers to do things.  Screw me once, it's u, screw me twice, it's on me.  I've been with abusers and my inclination has always been to hit back, so they went on there merry way to find one who liked the game they were playing.  We live and we learn.  I've also known women who have taken the abuse, but the moment that same abuse came upon their children they were outta there, go figure.

Some say there hackles raised on Misty's 911, well I can't explain it but I have weird thoughts about bio-mom and what she is saying and doing does not help my feelings towards her.  She probably has no part in whatever happened to Haleigh, but she is not helping the situation either.  I mean why would she state she has a life insurance policy on Haleigh?  None of these people were gifted w/great brains.

I also have suspicions about the bio mom, fatcatlurker.  And about the bio mom's fiance.  Something just not settling right for me with him either. 

My thoughts on what the bio mom is saying is that it sounds like a very disgruntled ex.  Seems to me, she would be way more believeable if she were to say something like 'yeah, we had our problems back then.  this is what i did, this is what he did.'  Seems to me she's all full of info on him, didn't do much about any of it back then, but hasn't said much that makes sense about what caused the court to give custody to the father rather than her.  They had to have good reason, IMO.  Instead of bitching about what he did years ago, maybe she ought to keep her mouth shut.  It's just causing folks to look sideways at her, IMO.  Maybe even LE.
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 03:35:05 PM
Has anyone heard anything about the visit to the home of Misty by her brother and 2 nephews? I wonder if he has taken a lie detector test yet, also I think an air conditioner repair man visited that day too. Did anyone see Haleigh other than family after school when dad picked her up ? I can't find much info LE are withholding a lot of information it seems.

The thing that concerns me most about it is that someone was able to walk into the trailer, stop by the kitchen put the light on, enter the bedroom where 3 people were sleeping pick up the little girl without her making any noise and then leave without being heard or seen. This doesn't make any sense.


No, I must have missed that but I've been pretty busy.  I'd like to know more about them if true as well.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 03:36:35 PM
10/24/2001 - Assault Complaint
12/12/2002 - POSSESSION OF COCAINE, POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.
Sentence: maybe someone can translate. These are the notes from the trial: THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI - ENT CIR CT MIN
12/12/2002 - ATTEMPTING TO TAKE DEER BY GUN AND LIGHT AT NIGHT
Notes:
2003-01-23 5 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2003-01-23 6 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT I
2003-01-23 6 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-01-23 7 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT II
2003-01-23 7 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-03-04 8 $188.00 FINE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 9 $ 25.00 COURT FACILITY FEE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 10 $ 25.00 WILDLIFE ALERT FUND PAYMENT 02/18/2003
11/16/2004 - POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE
WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED
Notes:
2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED,
2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY
2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD
2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY)
2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II
2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM
2005-09-08 21 $370.00 COURT COST PAID
2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
11/14/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF ACCIDENT INVOLVING INJURIES
Notes:
This one was transferred to County Court
8/1/2006 - TRESPASS - http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDe...3879&a... ...
Notes:
2006-10-30 22 ADJUDGED GUILTY
2006-10-30 22 PROB HRDS 6 MONTHS
2006-10-30 22 1 DAY PCJ WITH CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED OF 1 DAY
2006-10-30 22 $273.00 FINE AND COST
2006-10-30 22 $ 40.00 PD FEE SUSPENDED
2006-10-30 22 RANDOM DRUG TEST
2006-10-30 23 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
2006-10-30 23 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2006-10-30 24 ORDER OF PROBATION
2007-01-17 25 $ 60.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 11/14/2006
2007-02-07 26 SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2007-02-14 27 $120.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 12/28/2006
2007-03-16 28 $ 93.00 FINE AND COST BAL PAID 01/25/2007
12/19/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT (I didn't notice before, but this is the same infraction as the one on 11/14/2006)
Notes:
2007-02-06 13 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6416EEN2 - CARELESS DRIVING
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6418EEN4 - OPERATE ATV
2007-02-06 13 W/O HELMET
2007-02-06 14 WAIVER OF COUNSEL
4/3/2007 - AFFRAY
Sentence: 10 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE
11/14/2007 - POSSESSION OF MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZLELOADING SEASON, TRESPASS
Sentence:$273.00 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED, 24 HOURS HOUSE ARREST


IIRC~Doesn't dad mother work in sheriff's office?? Makes you wonder why he got a slap on the wrist for the highlighted portions, also I will have to find the charges that show RX medication w/o prescription. NOT a model parent by any stretch of the imagination, and the fact he calls the woman in charge of his children a dumb f3cking biatch is even worse, if he thinks that of her why in h@ll would he leave her in charge of 2 innocent babies ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 03:40:22 PM
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story...

Why Haleigh was afraid of the water....
snipped:

The motion says "During or about the month of July 2005, Ronald failed to keep control of the toddler Haleigh while she was in his care, and allowed her to wander off. The child was found and rescued by the mother, floating face down in the canal behind the house. The mother rescued and revived the child."

Yet it seems that this did not get 'reported', Haleigh not taken to the ER, police not involved, and bio mom didn't seem to try to regain custody *because* of this... back then.  Of course, reports of all this may surface, but at this time it seems no one can find anything on any of this. 

Had it been me, you can betcha I'd have been in the judges face with this info the very next working day. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 14, 2009, 03:50:42 PM
10/24/2001 - Assault Complaint
12/12/2002 - POSSESSION OF COCAINE, POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.
Sentence: maybe someone can translate. These are the notes from the trial: THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI - ENT CIR CT MIN
12/12/2002 - ATTEMPTING TO TAKE DEER BY GUN AND LIGHT AT NIGHT
Notes:
2003-01-23 5 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2003-01-23 6 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT I
2003-01-23 6 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-01-23 7 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT II
2003-01-23 7 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-03-04 8 $188.00 FINE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 9 $ 25.00 COURT FACILITY FEE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 10 $ 25.00 WILDLIFE ALERT FUND PAYMENT 02/18/2003
11/16/2004 - POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE
WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED
Notes:
2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED,
2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY
2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD
2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY)
2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II
2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM
2005-09-08 21 $370.00 COURT COST PAID
2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
11/14/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF ACCIDENT INVOLVING INJURIES
Notes:
This one was transferred to County Court
8/1/2006 - TRESPASS - http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDe...3879&a... ...
Notes:
2006-10-30 22 ADJUDGED GUILTY
2006-10-30 22 PROB HRDS 6 MONTHS
2006-10-30 22 1 DAY PCJ WITH CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED OF 1 DAY
2006-10-30 22 $273.00 FINE AND COST
2006-10-30 22 $ 40.00 PD FEE SUSPENDED
2006-10-30 22 RANDOM DRUG TEST
2006-10-30 23 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
2006-10-30 23 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2006-10-30 24 ORDER OF PROBATION
2007-01-17 25 $ 60.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 11/14/2006
2007-02-07 26 SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2007-02-14 27 $120.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 12/28/2006
2007-03-16 28 $ 93.00 FINE AND COST BAL PAID 01/25/2007
12/19/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT (I didn't notice before, but this is the same infraction as the one on 11/14/2006)
Notes:
2007-02-06 13 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6416EEN2 - CARELESS DRIVING
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6418EEN4 - OPERATE ATV
2007-02-06 13 W/O HELMET
2007-02-06 14 WAIVER OF COUNSEL
4/3/2007 - AFFRAY
Sentence: 10 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE
11/14/2007 - POSSESSION OF MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZLELOADING SEASON, TRESPASS
Sentence:$273.00 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED, 24 HOURS HOUSE ARREST


IIRC~Doesn't dad mother work in sheriff's office?? Makes you wonder why he got a slap on the wrist for the highlighted portions, also I will have to find the charges that show RX medication w/o prescription. NOT a model parent by any stretch of the imagination, and the fact he calls the woman in charge of his children a dumb f3cking biatch is even worse, if he thinks that of her why in h@ll would he leave her in charge of 2 innocent babies ::MonkeyNoNo::

NOLLE PROSEQUI means that the state decided not to prosecute. Usually it means that there was not enough evidence to make the case - it does not mean that the event did not occur just that there is not enough proof to convictt.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dolce on February 14, 2009, 03:52:27 PM
I agree that he does have a very questionable past.  The drug incidents though are from nearly 6 years ago, not saying that he has completely changed, but I do believe that people can.  If he is a crane operator there is no way he is working LEGALY while under the influence.  Those that operate heavy machinery are drug tested often, now what types of drug testing is done (blood or urine) I am not sure of as it depends on the employer and circustances that OSHA puts them under.

I am getting the weird vibes from the girlfriend, but it could just be her lack of maturity showing through on camera, she is just a baby herself.  (Now that is questionable!)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 03:52:58 PM
10/24/2001 - Assault Complaint
12/12/2002 - POSSESSION OF COCAINE, POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.
Sentence: maybe someone can translate. These are the notes from the trial: THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI - ENT CIR CT MIN
12/12/2002 - ATTEMPTING TO TAKE DEER BY GUN AND LIGHT AT NIGHT
Notes:
2003-01-23 5 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2003-01-23 6 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT I
2003-01-23 6 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-01-23 7 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT II
2003-01-23 7 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-03-04 8 $188.00 FINE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 9 $ 25.00 COURT FACILITY FEE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 10 $ 25.00 WILDLIFE ALERT FUND PAYMENT 02/18/2003
11/16/2004 - POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE
WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED
Notes:
2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED,
2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY
2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD
2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY)
2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II
2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM
2005-09-08 21 $370.00 COURT COST PAID
2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
11/14/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF ACCIDENT INVOLVING INJURIES
Notes:
This one was transferred to County Court
8/1/2006 - TRESPASS - http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDe...3879&a... ...
Notes:
2006-10-30 22 ADJUDGED GUILTY
2006-10-30 22 PROB HRDS 6 MONTHS
2006-10-30 22 1 DAY PCJ WITH CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED OF 1 DAY
2006-10-30 22 $273.00 FINE AND COST
2006-10-30 22 $ 40.00 PD FEE SUSPENDED
2006-10-30 22 RANDOM DRUG TEST
2006-10-30 23 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
2006-10-30 23 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2006-10-30 24 ORDER OF PROBATION
2007-01-17 25 $ 60.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 11/14/2006
2007-02-07 26 SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2007-02-14 27 $120.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 12/28/2006
2007-03-16 28 $ 93.00 FINE AND COST BAL PAID 01/25/2007
12/19/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT (I didn't notice before, but this is the same infraction as the one on 11/14/2006)
Notes:
2007-02-06 13 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6416EEN2 - CARELESS DRIVING
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6418EEN4 - OPERATE ATV
2007-02-06 13 W/O HELMET
2007-02-06 14 WAIVER OF COUNSEL
4/3/2007 - AFFRAY
Sentence: 10 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE
11/14/2007 - POSSESSION OF MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZLELOADING SEASON, TRESPASS
Sentence:$273.00 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED, 24 HOURS HOUSE ARREST


IIRC~Doesn't dad mother work in sheriff's office?? Makes you wonder why he got a slap on the wrist for the highlighted portions, also I will have to find the charges that show RX medication w/o prescription. NOT a model parent by any stretch of the imagination, and the fact he calls the woman in charge of his children a dumb f3cking biatch is even worse, if he thinks that of her why in h@ll would he leave her in charge of 2 innocent babies ::MonkeyNoNo::

NOLLE PROSEQUI means that the state decided not to prosecute. Usually it means that there was not enough evidence to make the case - it does not mean that the event did not occur just that there is not enough proof to convictt.

I understand that...I was just curious if dad's mom does work/worked for the sheriff's office and if she did how that might play into no prosecution??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dolce on February 14, 2009, 03:54:17 PM
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story...

Why Haleigh was afraid of the water....
snipped:

The motion says "During or about the month of July 2005, Ronald failed to keep control of the toddler Haleigh while she was in his care, and allowed her to wander off. The child was found and rescued by the mother, floating face down in the canal behind the house. The mother rescued and revived the child."

Yet it seems that this did not get 'reported', Haleigh not taken to the ER, police not involved, and bio mom didn't seem to try to regain custody *because* of this... back then.  Of course, reports of all this may surface, but at this time it seems no one can find anything on any of this. 

Had it been me, you can betcha I'd have been in the judges face with this info the very next working day. 

A lot of "he said she said" with this case.  What about a united front in efforts to finding your daughter, save the bickering and backstabbing for the judge once she is found.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 03:59:07 PM
According to my research and who's who list I am putting together, Teresa Ann Never, 48, grandmother, Ronald's mother works for the Alachua County as a SO Dispatcher.

Not sure that this would have any bearing on any charges he has had.

Does anyone know if there is a 4 PM press conference scheduled for today?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 03:59:19 PM
I agree that he does have a very questionable past.  The drug incidents though are from nearly 6 years ago, not saying that he has completely changed, but I do believe that people can.  If he is a crane operator there is no way he is working LEGALY while under the influence.  Those that operate heavy machinery are drug tested often, now what types of drug testing is done (blood or urine) I am not sure of as it depends on the employer and circustances that OSHA puts them under.

I am getting the weird vibes from the girlfriend, but it could just be her lack of maturity showing through on camera, she is just a baby herself.  (Now that is questionable!)


I'm not saying the dad had anything to do with this, just looks like he has issues, even now he seems to have anger issues and seems to be controlling IMO. Also, my dad works for a major steel company and they use cranes to move the steel~while they are randomly drug tested, they have been using something (maybe niacin, can't remember offhand) to throw off the test. They actually witnessed one of their crane operators smoking pot at the mill and he was fired on the spot.

The gf is where my suspicions are, especially after I heard she had company and her inconsisitent stories. Both look like druggies to me, mainly because they remind me of my brother and I see alot of the same mannerisms, attitudes, and odd behavoir in both of them. It's really sad because it seems all involved including bio mom act odd, almost disconnected.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 04:01:34 PM
Live press conference now:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=111540&catid=17

Items of interest yesterday turned out to be nothing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dolce on February 14, 2009, 04:05:18 PM
I agree that he does have a very questionable past.  The drug incidents though are from nearly 6 years ago, not saying that he has completely changed, but I do believe that people can.  If he is a crane operator there is no way he is working LEGALY while under the influence.  Those that operate heavy machinery are drug tested often, now what types of drug testing is done (blood or urine) I am not sure of as it depends on the employer and circustances that OSHA puts them under.

I am getting the weird vibes from the girlfriend, but it could just be her lack of maturity showing through on camera, she is just a baby herself.  (Now that is questionable!)


I'm not saying the dad had anything to do with this, just looks like he has issues, even now he seems to have anger issues and seems to be controlling IMO. Also, my dad works for a major steel company and they use cranes to move the steel~while they are randomly drug tested, they have been using something (maybe niacin, can't remember offhand) to throw off the test. They actually witnessed one of their crane operators smoking pot at the mill and he was fired on the spot.

The gf is where my suspicions are, especially after I heard she had company and her inconsisitent stories. Both look like druggies to me, mainly because they remind me of my brother and I see alot of the same mannerisms, attitudes, and odd behavoir in both of them. It's really sad because it seems all involved including bio mom act odd, almost disconnected.
Was not disagreeing with you at all, just adding a tidbit.  All 3 of them look like possible potheads, but that is just my opinion.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Mtnmom on February 14, 2009, 04:09:07 PM
10/24/2001 - Assault Complaint
12/12/2002 - POSSESSION OF COCAINE, POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.
Sentence: maybe someone can translate. These are the notes from the trial: THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI - ENT CIR CT MIN
12/12/2002 - ATTEMPTING TO TAKE DEER BY GUN AND LIGHT AT NIGHT
Notes:
2003-01-23 5 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2003-01-23 6 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT I
2003-01-23 6 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-01-23 7 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT II
2003-01-23 7 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-03-04 8 $188.00 FINE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 9 $ 25.00 COURT FACILITY FEE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 10 $ 25.00 WILDLIFE ALERT FUND PAYMENT 02/18/2003
11/16/2004 - POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE
WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED
Notes:
2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED,
2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY
2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD
2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY)
2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II
2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM
2005-09-08 21 $370.00 COURT COST PAID
2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
11/14/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF ACCIDENT INVOLVING INJURIES
Notes:
This one was transferred to County Court
8/1/2006 - TRESPASS - http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDe...3879&a... ...
Notes:
2006-10-30 22 ADJUDGED GUILTY
2006-10-30 22 PROB HRDS 6 MONTHS
2006-10-30 22 1 DAY PCJ WITH CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED OF 1 DAY
2006-10-30 22 $273.00 FINE AND COST
2006-10-30 22 $ 40.00 PD FEE SUSPENDED
2006-10-30 22 RANDOM DRUG TEST
2006-10-30 23 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
2006-10-30 23 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2006-10-30 24 ORDER OF PROBATION
2007-01-17 25 $ 60.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 11/14/2006
2007-02-07 26 SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2007-02-14 27 $120.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 12/28/2006
2007-03-16 28 $ 93.00 FINE AND COST BAL PAID 01/25/2007
12/19/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT (I didn't notice before, but this is the same infraction as the one on 11/14/2006)
Notes:
2007-02-06 13 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6416EEN2 - CARELESS DRIVING
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6418EEN4 - OPERATE ATV
2007-02-06 13 W/O HELMET
2007-02-06 14 WAIVER OF COUNSEL
4/3/2007 - AFFRAY
Sentence: 10 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE
11/14/2007 - POSSESSION OF MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZLELOADING SEASON, TRESPASS
Sentence:$273.00 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED, 24 HOURS HOUSE ARREST


IIRC~Doesn't dad mother work in sheriff's office?? Makes you wonder why he got a slap on the wrist for the highlighted portions, also I will have to find the charges that show RX medication w/o prescription. NOT a model parent by any stretch of the imagination, and the fact he calls the woman in charge of his children a dumb f3cking biatch is even worse, if he thinks that of her why in h@ll would he leave her in charge of 2 innocent babies ::MonkeyNoNo::

NOLLE PROSEQUI means that the state decided not to prosecute. Usually it means that there was not enough evidence to make the case - it does not mean that the event did not occur just that there is not enough proof to convictt.

I understand that...I was just curious if dad's mom does work/worked for the sheriff's office and if she did how that might play into no prosecution??

They sure let folks off easy down there.  Youd not get off so freely on drug charges here or the hunting violations.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 04:13:47 PM
Live press conference now:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=111540&catid=17

Items of interest yesterday turned out to be nothing.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Crap~I thought for sure they found something that might help.........also, has anyone read the PDF from the LE regarding what was taken from the house?? Klaas is there anyway to copy/paste a PDF ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 04:16:55 PM
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: I read on topix (not that I trust their word  ::MonkeyConfused:: ), but they stated KFN was asked to leave today ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2009, 04:17:39 PM
I agree that he does have a very questionable past.  The drug incidents though are from nearly 6 years ago, not saying that he has completely changed, but I do believe that people can.  If he is a crane operator there is no way he is working LEGALY while under the influence.  Those that operate heavy machinery are drug tested often, now what types of drug testing is done (blood or urine) I am not sure of as it depends on the employer and circustances that OSHA puts them under.

I am getting the weird vibes from the girlfriend, but it could just be her lack of maturity showing through on camera, she is just a baby herself.  (Now that is questionable!)


Dolce, my husband and his brothers use to own and operate a construction company. The habitual users have MANY ways to pass the random drug tests. They take certain herbs, there is stuff they buy to cleanse their system, and also they can send off and buy a vial of "clean"urine ....it is guaranteed to pass a drug test.They just carry it with them and voila!
So, I dont put much stock in those drug tests... JMO

I agree with you about the girlfriend!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 04:20:37 PM
Live press conference now:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=111540&catid=17

Items of interest yesterday turned out to be nothing.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Crap~I thought for sure they found something that might help.........also, has anyone read the PDF from the LE regarding what was taken from the house?? Klaas is there anyway to copy/paste a PDF ::MonkeyTongue::

Where can I find the PDF of items taken from the house.  I'll make screen caps of it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dolce on February 14, 2009, 04:28:07 PM
Live press conference now:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=111540&catid=17

Items of interest yesterday turned out to be nothing.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Crap~I thought for sure they found something that might help.........also, has anyone read the PDF from the LE regarding what was taken from the house?? Klaas is there anyway to copy/paste a PDF ::MonkeyTongue::

Where can I find the PDF of items taken from the house.  I'll make screen caps of it.
That would be great Klaas.  Would like to see what "we" are working with here.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 04:28:40 PM
Live press conference now:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=111540&catid=17

Items of interest yesterday turned out to be nothing.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Crap~I thought for sure they found something that might help.........also, has anyone read the PDF from the LE regarding what was taken from the house?? Klaas is there anyway to copy/paste a PDF ::MonkeyTongue::

Where can I find the PDF of items taken from the house.  I'll make screen caps of it.

It's in this thread, I think I posted it around 12-1am after I woke up from my bushwhacker hangover..........I'll go look for it. I remember it stating that Haleigh was the one who got up - but, I was still slightly intoxicated so I wanted to see it posted again. BRB


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 04:29:01 PM
'Items of Interest' Found to be Insignificant to Disappearance of Haleigh

 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131322&catid=3)
SATSUMA, FL -- Chief Rick Ryan with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said that the items of interest found yesterday have been analyzed by the FDLE crime lab and found to be insignificant to the disappearance of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: always 1 on February 14, 2009, 04:30:31 PM
George was asked to leave???  Thats kind of sad in a way.  He probably thought the enviorment was good for him and he was helping.  I hope they were kind.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 04:31:57 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf


Police report PDF

This report states she was in a pink shirt and tan shorts...........i thought first gf stated pj's, then pink shirt and underwear.....not where do the tan shorts come in?


Also she states that she got up to get a drink of water and notice Haleigh was missing, THEN she ran around frantically looking for her and then noticed the back door was open...........so, how many differnt stories has she told so far, around 5 ::MonkeyNoNo::


BUMP...........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 04:32:35 PM
I am like LE with this case, everyone is a suspect at this point.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I'd still like to hear confirmation that the father was AT work that night, during his WHOLE shift, from 3 pm to 3 am, as reported.  Would also like to see cell phone reports that confirm the phone call from the gf to the father just as he was pulling into the driveway (about 3:25 am), as reported.  And what time the first call to 911 was made. 

Were there calls between them earlier?  Did the father leave work early? 

Because of all the inconsistencies tho, until there is more info, I do have my first working theory.  (subject to change at any time, lol)

It's been reported that Haleigh has a bedwetting prob.  I suspect that what *may have* happened is:

the gf was doing laundry earlier in the evening.

the gf puts Haleigh to bed, in one of the beds, in her pjs.

Haleigh wets the bed at some point, the gf cleaned her up, changed her into a blouse and clean underwear/shorts, and put her back to bed in one of the other beds. Gf changed the first bed and either set aside the laundry or actually washed it all. 

Haleigh wets the bed again, and this time the gf loses it with Haleigh and perhaps hitting her, causing her death.  (This could have happened the first time around, above).

Father comes home as gf is calling him, *OR* gf calls him and he comes home to take care of the situation. 

Haleigh is taken to the water (by gf/father/both) and weighted down with a cinder block (several of which can be seen in the pics of the home, scattered around the trailer area).  Another cinder block is used to prop open the back screen door, to make it look like Haleigh was abducted.  911 is called. 

Tears from the father and gf could be because of what they may have done, rather than because of how very badly they want Haleigh back.

--------

Okies... feel free to rip this theory apart.  I'd love for it to be wrong.   ::MonkeyWink::
 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 14, 2009, 04:32:38 PM
::MonkeyLaugh:: I read on topix (not that I trust their word  ::MonkeyConfused:: ), but they stated KFN was asked to leave today ::MonkeyHaHa::

WOO HOOO!!!!    EXPOSING THEM (Milsteads & Anthonys) IS PAYING OFF!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 14, 2009, 04:36:08 PM
Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of Haleigh search

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/1002?Title=Apology__call_for_unity_on_Day_5_of_Haleigh_search (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/1002?Title=Apology__call_for_unity_on_Day_5_of_Haleigh_search)

PALATKA - Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.

"I'm too old to be criticizing the two, because they're still babies," she said, referring to 25-year-old Cummings and 17-year-old Croslin. "I feel maybe I've done some damage to Misty's heart, and I can't live with myself for doing that.

"The Lord knows I want to apologize ... and I want to do it face to face," she said.

Haleigh's younger brother, Ronald Jr., who was with his mother, Crystal Sheffield, on Saturday as part of the custody agreement, turns 4 on Sunday, and Griffis said she would like for both sides of the family to celebrate the day together somewhere.

"We have to do it for Haleigh," she said.


wow~i have alot of admiration for her!

O/T pls excuse my spelling today, I had too many bushwhackers last night ::MonkeyConfused:: Someone really should have told me ahead of time that they have 151 in them ::MonkeyEek::

I must say this tells ALOT about the family dynamics.   The bio mom has done nothing but lie & avoid what the real truth of why she lost custody, how do I know this because her own father admitted that her substance abuse problems & not taking Haleigh to her scheduled doctor's appointment (Haleigh has a condition) is why she finally lost custody.   It is also bothersome that this fairly inactive mother is using Haleigh's disappearance more as a platform for her to be portrayed as a victim herself.  If you examine Ron Cummings rap sheet pretty much everything was tossed out/dismissed.  Not so with the bio mom.  In all of Crystal Sheffield's interviews prior to her mother coming out with this statement (usually Marie Griffis was by her side during the interviews) she consistently tried to point a finger at Ron.  The water incident involving Haleigh actually had the bio mother's scent detected at the water by canines.  I will bet that the maternal grandfather had a say in what these two women were doing & urged them to stop because he did not agree knowing the truth.   I have been involved in court cases in one way or another for many years via paralegal, court transcriptionist & then working for a reknown forensic psychologist for almost a decade or in child advocacy work - it is NOT a stretch that a bitter, unstable woman scorned (in her mind) will not go so far as to fabricate stories to get back at a spouse, so to suspect the ex/father in domestic situations as a general rule automatically can be a rush to judgment & a vital error regarding the welfare of the minors in that family.   Statistically it may be true that more men abuse their spouses and/or children but that does not mean that is factual in every instance.  It is very important NOT to have personal opinions, experiences or other cases used as a yard stick when handling each domestic case on an individual basis.

NOW, that being said it still remains to be seen if any drug use or whatever else on the part of Ron or his teen girlfriend actually is factual or not.  As I've stated early in this thread I suspect that Misty left the house when the children were sleeping & left the door open because she did not have a key to the house to get back in - that is a theory that is likely but no proof has come to light that indeed happened.  It is interesting that she now reported that she had visitors from 5-6PM that day, maybe she made plans to go out knowing Ron would be at work until 3AM, BUT again that is only a theory of a possibility that may have occurred.  Right now law enforcement is correct thus far that they have the case wide open & everyone is suspect - the facts will bear out in due time.   Misty's inconsistent statements as well as Crystal's history, the overall long-term living conditions & obvious lack of education/ignorance by this ENTIRE family circle or Ron's possible temperament issues ALL bother me personally.  Unlike the Casey Anthony case which has a ton of evidence what her involvement & past history is regarding the murder of Caylee is, we don't have enough circumstantial or direct evidence pointing in a particular direction in this case yet nor do we know if any of the family domestic situations matter if it turns out that a pedafile or other perp indeed abducted Haleigh, door left unlocked related or not.

Bumping


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 04:37:06 PM
I am like LE with this case, everyone is a suspect at this point.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I'd still like to hear confirmation that the father was AT work that night, during his WHOLE shift, from 3 pm to 3 am, as reported.  Would also like to see cell phone reports that confirm the phone call from the gf to the father just as he was pulling into the driveway (about 3:25 am), as reported.  And what time the first call to 911 was made. 

Were there calls between them earlier?  Did the father leave work early? 

Because of all the inconsistencies tho, until there is more info, I do have my first working theory.  (subject to change at any time, lol)

It's been reported that Haleigh has a bedwetting prob.  I suspect that what *may have* happened is:

the gf was doing laundry earlier in the evening.

the gf puts Haleigh to bed, in one of the beds, in her pjs.

Haleigh wets the bed at some point, the gf cleaned her up, changed her into a blouse and clean underwear/shorts, and put her back to bed in one of the other beds. Gf changed the first bed and either set aside the laundry or actually washed it all. 

Haleigh wets the bed again, and this time the gf loses it with Haleigh and perhaps hitting her, causing her death.  (This could have happened the first time around, above).

Father comes home as gf is calling him, *OR* gf calls him and he comes home to take care of the situation. 

Haleigh is taken to the water (by gf/father/both) and weighted down with a cinder block (several of which can be seen in the pics of the home, scattered around the trailer area).  Another cinder block is used to prop open the back screen door, to make it look like Haleigh was abducted.  911 is called. 

Tears from the father and gf could be because of what they may have done, rather than because of how very badly they want Haleigh back.

--------

Okies... feel free to rip this theory apart.  I'd love for it to be wrong.   ::MonkeyWink::
 



No ripping here, wasn't it a theory that jon Benet Ramsey had a bed wetting problem?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 14, 2009, 04:37:35 PM
Has anyone heard anything about the visit to the home of Misty by her brother and 2 nephews? I wonder if he has taken a lie detector test yet, also I think an air conditioner repair man visited that day too. Did anyone see Haleigh other than family after school when dad picked her up ? I can't find much info LE are withholding a lot of information it seems.

The thing that concerns me most about it is that someone was able to walk into the trailer, stop by the kitchen put the light on, enter the bedroom where 3 people were sleeping pick up the little girl without her making any noise and then leave without being heard or seen. This doesn't make any sense.


No, I must have missed that but I've been pretty busy.  I'd like to know more about them if true as well.

Yes Misty said the other day that they were there about 5PM and left about 5:30-5:45PM


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 04:38:45 PM
Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of Haleigh search

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/1002?Title=Apology__call_for_unity_on_Day_5_of_Haleigh_search (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/1002?Title=Apology__call_for_unity_on_Day_5_of_Haleigh_search)

PALATKA - Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.

"I'm too old to be criticizing the two, because they're still babies," she said, referring to 25-year-old Cummings and 17-year-old Croslin. "I feel maybe I've done some damage to Misty's heart, and I can't live with myself for doing that.

"The Lord knows I want to apologize ... and I want to do it face to face," she said.

Haleigh's younger brother, Ronald Jr., who was with his mother, Crystal Sheffield, on Saturday as part of the custody agreement, turns 4 on Sunday, and Griffis said she would like for both sides of the family to celebrate the day together somewhere.

"We have to do it for Haleigh," she said.


wow~i have alot of admiration for her!

O/T pls excuse my spelling today, I had too many bushwhackers last night ::MonkeyConfused:: Someone really should have told me ahead of time that they have 151 in them ::MonkeyEek::

I must say this tells ALOT about the family dynamics.   The bio mom has done nothing but lie & avoid what the real truth of why she lost custody, how do I know this because her own father admitted that her substance abuse problems & not taking Haleigh to her scheduled doctor's appointment (Haleigh has a condition) is why she finally lost custody.   It is also bothersome that this fairly inactive mother is using Haleigh's disappearance more as a platform for her to be portrayed as a victim herself.  If you examine Ron Cummings rap sheet pretty much everything was tossed out/dismissed.  Not so with the bio mom.  In all of Crystal Sheffield's interviews prior to her mother coming out with this statement (usually Marie Griffis was by her side during the interviews) she consistently tried to point a finger at Ron.  The water incident involving Haleigh actually had the bio mother's scent detected at the water by canines.  I will bet that the maternal grandfather had a say in what these two women were doing & urged them to stop because he did not agree knowing the truth.   I have been involved in court cases in one way or another for many years via paralegal, court transcriptionist & then working for a reknown forensic psychologist for almost a decade or in child advocacy work - it is NOT a stretch that a bitter, unstable woman scorned (in her mind) will not go so far as to fabricate stories to get back at a spouse, so to suspect the ex/father in domestic situations as a general rule automatically can be a rush to judgment & a vital error regarding the welfare of the minors in that family.   Statistically it may be true that more men abuse their spouses and/or children but that does not mean that is factual in every instance.  It is very important NOT to have personal opinions, experiences or other cases used as a yard stick when handling each domestic case on an individual basis.

NOW, that being said it still remains to be seen if any drug use or whatever else on the part of Ron or his teen girlfriend actually is factual or not.  As I've stated early in this thread I suspect that Misty left the house when the children were sleeping & left the door open because she did not have a key to the house to get back in - that is a theory that is likely but no proof has come to light that indeed happened.  It is interesting that she now reported that she had visitors from 5-6PM that day, maybe she made plans to go out knowing Ron would be at work until 3AM, BUT again that is only a theory of a possibility that may have occurred.  Right now law enforcement is correct thus far that they have the case wide open & everyone is suspect - the facts will bear out in due time.   Misty's inconsistent statements as well as Crystal's history, the overall long-term living conditions & obvious lack of education/ignorance by this ENTIRE family circle or Ron's possible temperament issues ALL bother me personally.  Unlike the Casey Anthony case which has a ton of evidence what her involvement & past history is regarding the murder of Caylee is, we don't have enough circumstantial or direct evidence pointing in a particular direction in this case yet nor do we know if any of the family domestic situations matter if it turns out that a pedafile or other perp indeed abducted Haleigh, door left unlocked related or not.

Bumping

I wasn't stating I admired bio mom, just the woman who offered apology ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 04:41:19 PM
George was asked to leave???  Thats kind of sad in a way.  He probably thought the enviorment was good for him and he was helping.  I hope they were kind.

Well...

The unconfirmed report (ie: gossip) from another forum, which did not include a source, is that George showed up to help with the effort to find Haleigh Cummings on Wednesday and to lend emotional support, evidently made statements at lunch about his own case that somehow rubbed the Sheffield and Cummings family wrong. Several family members told him they didn't need him to take the focus away from finding Haleigh, and that he ought to go home and take care of his own house. That is why he has not been back.

I hope for everyone's sake that the above is true.  We can only hope. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 14, 2009, 04:41:39 PM
I am like LE with this case, everyone is a suspect at this point.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I'd still like to hear confirmation that the father was AT work that night, during his WHOLE shift, from 3 pm to 3 am, as reported.  Would also like to see cell phone reports that confirm the phone call from the gf to the father just as he was pulling into the driveway (about 3:25 am), as reported.  And what time the first call to 911 was made. 

Were there calls between them earlier?  Did the father leave work early? 

Because of all the inconsistencies tho, until there is more info, I do have my first working theory.  (subject to change at any time, lol)

It's been reported that Haleigh has a bedwetting prob.  I suspect that what *may have* happened is:

the gf was doing laundry earlier in the evening.

the gf puts Haleigh to bed, in one of the beds, in her pjs.

Haleigh wets the bed at some point, the gf cleaned her up, changed her into a blouse and clean underwear/shorts, and put her back to bed in one of the other beds. Gf changed the first bed and either set aside the laundry or actually washed it all. 

Haleigh wets the bed again, and this time the gf loses it with Haleigh and perhaps hitting her, causing her death.  (This could have happened the first time around, above).

Father comes home as gf is calling him, *OR* gf calls him and he comes home to take care of the situation. 

Haleigh is taken to the water (by gf/father/both) and weighted down with a cinder block (several of which can be seen in the pics of the home, scattered around the trailer area).  Another cinder block is used to prop open the back screen door, to make it look like Haleigh was abducted.  911 is called. 

Tears from the father and gf could be because of what they may have done, rather than because of how very badly they want Haleigh back.

--------

Okies... feel free to rip this theory apart.  I'd love for it to be wrong.   ::MonkeyWink::
 



No ripping here, wasn't it a theory that jon Benet Ramsey had a bed wetting problem?

They did indeed confirm the father was at work, of course they will look at all phone records but we do know that Misty called Ron on his way home from work & we do know that Crystal was called by Ron's mom at 3:49 - thats all we know about definite phone calls so far.

Secondly, there is no report that states Haleigh had a "bedwetting problem" in fact when one of the grandmothers was asked about this she stated that Haleigh had not wet the bed in over 2 years when she cared for her.    There was only Misty's statement that Haleigh had wet the bed that night that is out there thus far.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 14, 2009, 04:57:40 PM
George was asked to leave???  Thats kind of sad in a way.  He probably thought the enviorment was good for him and he was helping.  I hope they were kind.

Well...

The unconfirmed report (ie: gossip) from another forum, which did not include a source, is that George showed up to help with the effort to find Haleigh Cummings on Wednesday and to lend emotional support, evidently made statements at lunch about his own case that somehow rubbed the Sheffield and Cummings family wrong. Several family members told him they didn't need him to take the focus away from finding Haleigh, and that he ought to go home and take care of his own house. That is why he has not been back.

I hope for everyone's sake that the above is true.  We can only hope. 


I do not doubt this story at all because George's initial statements at the search center was a reprimand to "NOT JUDGE THIS FAMILY NO MATTER WHAT" with iron fist visible and promoted his new partnership with Kid Finders Network.   There were reports on the ground that the Cummings family seemed to be distant to LE after his arrival, which indicates to me that he was projecting his & his wife's feelings about cooperating with police & interaction with the media unto this family. The Anthony's attorney, Brad Conway felt it fit to make TWO media statements one to locals, the other in an interview with ABC news about the George going to Satsuma & that Cindy was getting in touch with media to make sure they covered Haleigh's story...well no one needed Cindy to insert herself because the media was camped on site 5 days ago without her phone calls.   They were there to interject their disdain for law enforcement & the media and project their public claim that they feel Casey is innocent when they know much different - Caylee was never a "missing child" case despite the Anthony's lies.

I have no doubt George started talking about his case, dum move because anything he says can used against him because his family has NOT been cleared in any wrongdoing in either tampering with evidence or obstructing as accessories after the fact regarding protecting and supporting their daughter in her murder one charge.   He just got out of a "suicide attempt" hospitalization & refuses to tell the truth of what he knows about his daughter's involvement in his granddaughter's murder.  Caylee was NEVER missing & yet the Anthony family & KFN still portray it as such including having Caylee's picture with a pink heart on the KFN billboard.

Myself and many did investigative work looking into Kid Finders Network & their new project with their new partners the Anthonys called House of Hope - Milstead is a convicted felon, has been assaultive to media personnel in the Caylee Anthony case, and has a fradulent business practice history.   They have no reputable sponsors for years now & refuse to account for monies they have taken in by donations of the public.  They all are not stable minded or upstanding individuals, Im not shocked & Im sure albeit "gossip" right now Im sure there were enough witnesses at the Haleigh search center to have overheard what transpired to confirm it.

The two cases have nothing to do with each other & the focus now should be solely on finding Haleigh without interference by outsiders or the Cummings family history via mudslinging & fingerpointing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 05:00:52 PM
IslandMonkey:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 14, 2009, 05:00:52 PM
Island Monkey, I totally agree about the grandmother making this statement & it is admirable.  Hopefully, its a step in the right direction so the focus can be put on finding Haleigh & the facts in this case.   My post was not to directly dispute your denoting the grandmother's statement but to add my thoughts thus far with what I see transpiring.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 05:07:01 PM
IslandMonkey:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

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Thanks Klaas~I had no clue how to do that..........WHO is blacked out??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mizjay on February 14, 2009, 05:08:03 PM
George was asked to leave???  Thats kind of sad in a way.  He probably thought the enviorment was good for him and he was helping.  I hope they were kind.

Well...

The unconfirmed report (ie: gossip) from another forum, which did not include a source, is that George showed up to help with the effort to find Haleigh Cummings on Wednesday and to lend emotional support, evidently made statements at lunch about his own case that somehow rubbed the Sheffield and Cummings family wrong. Several family members told him they didn't need him to take the focus away from finding Haleigh, and that he ought to go home and take care of his own house. That is why he has not been back.

I hope for everyone's sake that the above is true.  We can only hope. 


I do not doubt this story at all because George's initial statements at the search center was a reprimand to "NOT JUDGE THIS FAMILY NO MATTER WHAT" with iron fist visible and promoted his new partnership with Kid Finders Network.   There were reports on the ground that the Cummings family seemed to be distant to LE after his arrival, which indicates to me that he was projecting his & his wife's feelings about cooperating with police & interaction with the media unto this family. The Anthony's attorney, Brad Conway felt it fit to make TWO media statements one to locals, the other in an interview with ABC news about the George going to Satsuma & that Cindy was getting in touch with media to make sure they covered Haleigh's story...well no one needed Cindy to insert herself because the media was camped on site 5 days ago without her phone calls.   They were there to interject their disdain for law enforcement & the media and project their public claim that they feel Casey is innocent when they know much different - Caylee was never a "missing child" case despite the Anthony's lies.

I have no doubt George started talking about his case, dum move because anything he says can used against him because his family has NOT been cleared in any wrongdoing in either tampering with evidence or obstructing as accessories after the fact regarding protecting and supporting their daughter in her murder one charge.   He just got out of a "suicide attempt" hospitalization & refuses to tell the truth of what he knows about his daughter's involvement in his granddaughter's murder.  Caylee was NEVER missing & yet the Anthony family & KFN still portray it as such including having Caylee's picture with a pink heart on the KFN billboard.

Myself and many did investigative work looking into Kid Finders Network & their new project with their new partners the Anthonys called House of Hope - Milstead is a convicted felon, has been assaultive to media personnel in the Caylee Anthony case, and has a fradulent business practice history.   They have no reputable sponsors for years now & refuse to account for monies they have taken in by donations of the public.  They all are not stable minded or upstanding individuals, Im not shocked & Im sure albeit "gossip" right now Im sure there were enough witnesses at the Haleigh search center to have overheard what transpired to confirm it.

The two cases have nothing to do with each other & the focus now should be solely on finding Haleigh without interference by outsiders or the Cummings family history via mudslinging & fingerpointing.

Hi Capp    So glad to hear this report. I was so irate last night after going to the link you gave with ABC, my comment was on for a few minutes then deleted, then I wrote a comment about their bogus system of deletion, it too was deleted.

KFN is a fraud and GA needs to take care of his own mess before trying to help anyone else.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 05:09:01 PM
IslandMonkey - I have no idea what is blacked out but normally it's personal information about someone not related to the case, or their personal information is not public info and so they redact it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 05:16:50 PM
George was asked to leave???  Thats kind of sad in a way.  He probably thought the enviorment was good for him and he was helping.  I hope they were kind.

Well...

The unconfirmed report (ie: gossip) from another forum, which did not include a source, is that George showed up to help with the effort to find Haleigh Cummings on Wednesday and to lend emotional support, evidently made statements at lunch about his own case that somehow rubbed the Sheffield and Cummings family wrong. Several family members told him they didn't need him to take the focus away from finding Haleigh, and that he ought to go home and take care of his own house. That is why he has not been back.

I hope for everyone's sake that the above is true.  We can only hope. 


I do not doubt this story at all because George's initial statements at the search center was a reprimand to "NOT JUDGE THIS FAMILY NO MATTER WHAT" with iron fist visible and promoted his new partnership with Kid Finders Network.   There were reports on the ground that the Cummings family seemed to be distant to LE after his arrival, which indicates to me that he was projecting his & his wife's feelings about cooperating with police & interaction with the media unto this family. The Anthony's attorney, Brad Conway felt it fit to make TWO media statements one to locals, the other in an interview with ABC news about the George going to Satsuma & that Cindy was getting in touch with media to make sure they covered Haleigh's story...well no one needed Cindy to insert herself because the media was camped on site 5 days ago without her phone calls.   They were there to interject their disdain for law enforcement & the media and project their public claim that they feel Casey is innocent when they know much different - Caylee was never a "missing child" case despite the Anthony's lies.

I have no doubt George started talking about his case, dum move because anything he says can used against him because his family has NOT been cleared in any wrongdoing in either tampering with evidence or obstructing as accessories after the fact regarding protecting and supporting their daughter in her murder one charge.   He just got out of a "suicide attempt" hospitalization & refuses to tell the truth of what he knows about his daughter's involvement in his granddaughter's murder.  Caylee was NEVER missing & yet the Anthony family & KFN still portray it as such including having Caylee's picture with a pink heart on the KFN billboard.

Myself and many did investigative work looking into Kid Finders Network & their new project with their new partners the Anthonys called House of Hope - Milstead is a convicted felon, has been assaultive to media personnel in the Caylee Anthony case, and has a fradulent business practice history.   They have no reputable sponsors for years now & refuse to account for monies they have taken in by donations of the public.  They all are not stable minded or upstanding individuals, Im not shocked & Im sure albeit "gossip" right now Im sure there were enough witnesses at the Haleigh search center to have overheard what transpired to confirm it.

The two cases have nothing to do with each other & the focus now should be solely on finding Haleigh without interference by outsiders or the Cummings family history via mudslinging & fingerpointing.
Well said


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 14, 2009, 05:17:59 PM
I read to where the dogs tracked a scent. Munroe Ave and then to the RR tracks.
............
I do hope George was told to F'oxx along with DM and KFN.
..
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 05:18:16 PM
IslandMonkey - I have no idea what is blacked out but normally it's personal information about someone not related to the case, or their personal information is not public info and so they redact it.

Thanks~it just stands out like a sore thumb......question, if the name is blacked out because it's personal info about someone not related to this case, why is it in this case's police report? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 14, 2009, 05:20:46 PM
Can one of you smart monkeys please explain to me why in the misc. section of the report, where it says is it DV, says no and then is it domestic related  it says yes???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 14, 2009, 05:20:57 PM
George was asked to leave???  Thats kind of sad in a way.  He probably thought the enviorment was good for him and he was helping.  I hope they were kind.

Well...

The unconfirmed report (ie: gossip) from another forum, which did not include a source, is that George showed up to help with the effort to find Haleigh Cummings on Wednesday and to lend emotional support, evidently made statements at lunch about his own case that somehow rubbed the Sheffield and Cummings family wrong. Several family members told him they didn't need him to take the focus away from finding Haleigh, and that he ought to go home and take care of his own house. That is why he has not been back.

I hope for everyone's sake that the above is true.  We can only hope. 


I do not doubt this story at all because George's initial statements at the search center was a reprimand to "NOT JUDGE THIS FAMILY NO MATTER WHAT" with iron fist visible and promoted his new partnership with Kid Finders Network.   There were reports on the ground that the Cummings family seemed to be distant to LE after his arrival, which indicates to me that he was projecting his & his wife's feelings about cooperating with police & interaction with the media unto this family. The Anthony's attorney, Brad Conway felt it fit to make TWO media statements one to locals, the other in an interview with ABC news about the George going to Satsuma & that Cindy was getting in touch with media to make sure they covered Haleigh's story...well no one needed Cindy to insert herself because the media was camped on site 5 days ago without her phone calls.   They were there to interject their disdain for law enforcement & the media and project their public claim that they feel Casey is innocent when they know much different - Caylee was never a "missing child" case despite the Anthony's lies.

I have no doubt George started talking about his case, dum move because anything he says can used against him because his family has NOT been cleared in any wrongdoing in either tampering with evidence or obstructing as accessories after the fact regarding protecting and supporting their daughter in her murder one charge.   He just got out of a "suicide attempt" hospitalization & refuses to tell the truth of what he knows about his daughter's involvement in his granddaughter's murder.  Caylee was NEVER missing & yet the Anthony family & KFN still portray it as such including having Caylee's picture with a pink heart on the KFN billboard.

Myself and many did investigative work looking into Kid Finders Network & their new project with their new partners the Anthonys called House of Hope - Milstead is a convicted felon, has been assaultive to media personnel in the Caylee Anthony case, and has a fradulent business practice history.   They have no reputable sponsors for years now & refuse to account for monies they have taken in by donations of the public.  They all are not stable minded or upstanding individuals, Im not shocked & Im sure albeit "gossip" right now Im sure there were enough witnesses at the Haleigh search center to have overheard what transpired to confirm it.

The two cases have nothing to do with each other & the focus now should be solely on finding Haleigh without interference by outsiders or the Cummings family history via mudslinging & fingerpointing.

Hi Capp    So glad to hear this report. I was so irate last night after going to the link you gave with ABC, my comment was on for a few minutes then deleted, then I wrote a comment about their bogus system of deletion, it too was deleted.

KFN is a fraud and GA needs to take care of his own mess before trying to help anyone else.

MIZAY
 WOW JUST WOW!   Im telling ya ABC so made a deal with the Anthonys & their defense team - its so obvious to me now.  They continue to do so under contract in hopes for whatever exclusive but this shows me for certain ABC is very aware that the general public does not agree with them constantly giving the defense spin of Casey and/or her family.  In the article you read they made NO mention of the Anthony's daughter Casey being indicted on murder one & aggravated assault upon on minor regarding the murder of their granddaughter.   Caylee Marie Anthony was never a "missing child" and the Anthonys know it, so does ABC if they read/watched even a 1/4 of what most of us have read or listened to word for word in that case.     This is exactly what we dont need in Haleigh's case a bunch of koolaid drinking nitwits & liars mudding the waters.   Thank you for letting me know.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 14, 2009, 05:24:49 PM
IslandMonkey - I have no idea what is blacked out but normally it's personal information about someone not related to the case, or their personal information is not public info and so they redact it.

Could it be a minor childs info? like the baby brother of Haleigh or another child?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mizjay on February 14, 2009, 05:27:37 PM



PERZACTLY  CAPP

The pi## er was I didn't even mention ABC or possible financial gain by any media, but only mentioned most of the obvious stuff. Later in the night I went to see what was the prvailing attitude, after a 2 hr interim, there were still apprx. the same amount of posts as before which leads me to believe they were censoring heavily.

That only makes me want to try harder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 05:28:09 PM
IslandMonkey - I have no idea what is blacked out but normally it's personal information about someone not related to the case, or their personal information is not public info and so they redact it.

Could it be a minor childs info? like the baby brother of Haleigh or another child?

That makes more sense to me!!!



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 05:35:06 PM

No ripping here, wasn't it a theory that jon Benet Ramsey had a bed wetting problem?

They did indeed confirm the father was at work, of course they will look at all phone records but we do know that Misty called Ron on his way home from work & we do know that Crystal was called by Ron's mom at 3:49 - thats all we know about definite phone calls so far.

Secondly, there is no report that states Haleigh had a "bedwetting problem" in fact when one of the grandmothers was asked about this she stated that Haleigh had not wet the bed in over 2 years when she cared for her.    There was only Misty's statement that Haleigh had wet the bed that night that is out there thus far.

Island:
Thanks!  And yeppers, that's my understanding about Jon Benet, at least from some reports. 

Cappuccino:
Thanks!  I hadn't seen that report yet, that the father was indeed at work that night.  Do you know if it has been confirmed that he was at work the *whole* shift that night, until 3am? 

Not sure that all of those phone calls were 'definite', as I've read that these were reported by the gf and by the father.  Guess I'm looking for confirmation with phone records before calling them definite.  I say that because at least one of those phone calls has been talked about in different ways.  The gf says she called the father at work, he said he was pulling into the driveway when she called.  In another interview the father said that he found out after he walked inside the home.  Perhaps all of that happened in the same phone call and I'm nit-picking.   

Not sure where I read it, but a 'bed-wetting' problem was talked about.  Because there was an ensuing discussion of sorts that bed-wetting is listed among the symptoms of the turner syndrome that Haleigh has.  Not sure tho that I've read anyone else but the gf reporting the bedwetting.  Was it just a comment by her which the media or someone has run with? 
     


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 14, 2009, 05:36:11 PM
IslandMonkey - I have no idea what is blacked out but normally it's personal information about someone not related to the case, or their personal information is not public info and so they redact it.

Could it be a minor childs info? like the baby brother of Haleigh or another child?

That makes more sense to me!!!

I tend to agree that it is info on a minor as well.

As I stated in a post earlier, ALL of their family history & behavior are raising red flags to me - all of it BUT I pray all this dysfunction will not detract from finding Haleigh & the truth in this case...yikes that police report is disturbing on a few levels but not sure if a family member is involved in harming Haleigh directly.   Its not looking good for Haleigh's safety right now but I will continue to pray Im wrong... HUGE SIGH




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Sleuth on February 14, 2009, 05:40:23 PM
IslandMonkey - I have no idea what is blacked out but normally it's personal information about someone not related to the case, or their personal information is not public info and so they redact it.

Could it be a minor childs info? like the baby brother of Haleigh or another child?

I'm guessing it was the baby brother. 

I don't think Witness/Complaintant #5 info would be blacked out due to them not being related to the case.  The relationship would just be "Not Applicable" and the findings would indicate no involvement in the case.  Inf not a minor, this is usually the way their personal information becomes public (unfortunately).   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 14, 2009, 05:42:10 PM
10/24/2001 - Assault Complaint
12/12/2002 - POSSESSION OF COCAINE, POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.
Sentence: maybe someone can translate. These are the notes from the trial: THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI - ENT CIR CT MIN
12/12/2002 - ATTEMPTING TO TAKE DEER BY GUN AND LIGHT AT NIGHT
Notes:
2003-01-23 5 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2003-01-23 6 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT I
2003-01-23 6 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-01-23 7 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT II
2003-01-23 7 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-03-04 8 $188.00 FINE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 9 $ 25.00 COURT FACILITY FEE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 10 $ 25.00 WILDLIFE ALERT FUND PAYMENT 02/18/2003
11/16/2004 - POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE
WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED
Notes:
2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED,
2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY
2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD
2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY)
2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II
2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM
2005-09-08 21 $370.00 COURT COST PAID
2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
11/14/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF ACCIDENT INVOLVING INJURIES
Notes:
This one was transferred to County Court
8/1/2006 - TRESPASS - http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDe...3879&a... ...
Notes:
2006-10-30 22 ADJUDGED GUILTY
2006-10-30 22 PROB HRDS 6 MONTHS
2006-10-30 22 1 DAY PCJ WITH CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED OF 1 DAY
2006-10-30 22 $273.00 FINE AND COST
2006-10-30 22 $ 40.00 PD FEE SUSPENDED
2006-10-30 22 RANDOM DRUG TEST
2006-10-30 23 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
2006-10-30 23 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2006-10-30 24 ORDER OF PROBATION
2007-01-17 25 $ 60.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 11/14/2006
2007-02-07 26 SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2007-02-14 27 $120.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 12/28/2006
2007-03-16 28 $ 93.00 FINE AND COST BAL PAID 01/25/2007
12/19/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT (I didn't notice before, but this is the same infraction as the one on 11/14/2006)
Notes:
2007-02-06 13 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6416EEN2 - CARELESS DRIVING
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6418EEN4 - OPERATE ATV
2007-02-06 13 W/O HELMET
2007-02-06 14 WAIVER OF COUNSEL
4/3/2007 - AFFRAY
Sentence: 10 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE
11/14/2007 - POSSESSION OF MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZLELOADING SEASON, TRESPASS
Sentence:$273.00 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED, 24 HOURS HOUSE ARREST


IIRC~Doesn't dad mother work in sheriff's office?? Makes you wonder why he got a slap on the wrist for the highlighted portions, also I will have to find the charges that show RX medication w/o prescription. NOT a model parent by any stretch of the imagination, and the fact he calls the woman in charge of his children a dumb f3cking biatch is even worse, if he thinks that of her why in h@ll would he leave her in charge of 2 innocent babies ::MonkeyNoNo::

NOLLE PROSEQUI means that the state decided not to prosecute. Usually it means that there was not enough evidence to make the case - it does not mean that the event did not occur just that there is not enough proof to convictt.

I understand that...I was just curious if dad's mom does work/worked for the sheriff's office and if she did how that might play into no prosecution??

I doubt it figured into it since the prosecutor's office makes the call not the police. but could be - stranger things have happened.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 14, 2009, 05:46:15 PM
Did y'all notice that Misty just turned 17 on December 16?  For some reason, that really creeps me out....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 14, 2009, 05:52:08 PM
Wyks

Not sure if it is confirmed that Ron was at work his entire shift or not but early on LE in a presser mentioned that the father was indeed at work.   By that I would think they confirmed that rather immediately.

To my knowledge the only mention of bedwetting was by Misty for that evening, and I watched one of the grandmother's state that Haleigh had not wet the bed in over 2 years in her care.   At this point, yes, I do think people heard that and ran with it...I skimmed several links for Turners Syndrome & there was no direct symptom listed as bedwetting but a few sites indicated kidney/urinary abnormalities at approx 30% in patients


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Sleuth on February 14, 2009, 05:53:19 PM
TCUMOM - yes, very creepy.
Did anyone hear the 4:00 news conference scheduled for today?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 14, 2009, 05:54:10 PM
Did y'all notice that Misty just turned 17 on December 16?  For some reason, that really creeps me out....

Disturbing but sexual consent is 16 in Florida, but where are her parents that a minor child is living with an adult man - for most parents this is a O HELL TO THE NO!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pixiecat on February 14, 2009, 05:57:17 PM
Exactly!  Where are Misty's parents?  What parent would ever let their 17 year old daughter (16 when they first started dating) live with, or even date a 25 year old with three kids??!  This is so very wrong, and disturbing. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mizjay on February 14, 2009, 05:57:36 PM
Did y'all notice that Misty just turned 17 on December 16?  For some reason, that really creeps me out....

Me too , just seems wild, but that fact alone makes me think IF she had anything to do with this directly, that she would have left mountains of evidence, and If she had done something and called family for help that all of them together  don't seem capable of stumping LE for very long.

That being said, she would appear to be a model of chasteness not already having a couple of babies by this time!!
I'm not trying to be overly sarcastic but it does look like everybody marries young in that circle.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 05:57:52 PM
'Items of Interest' Found to be Insignificant to Disappearance of Haleigh
Posted By: Josey Crews     Created: 2/14/2009 4:10:42 PM    Updated: 2/14/2009 4:36:35 PM
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SATSUMA, FL -- Chief Rick Ryan with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said that the items of interest found yesterday have been analyzed by the FDLE crime lab and found to be insignificant in the disappearance of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

In a 4 p.m. press conference Ryan did not release new information about the disappearance only about future plans for an extended search.

Sunday's plan is to search other locations in Putnam County. In addition, all dive searches along the shoreline of the St. Johns River will be suspended for the day.

Ryan said that they will continue water and air searches along the shore-line.

The sheriff's office said that no additional volunteers are needed for the search and that the operation did not "require a thousand people."

Investigators still say that everyone is a person of interest in the case and they will continue to interview family and will interview friends of the family soon.  

Ryan noted that the family has been very cooperative and that Victim Advocates from Putnam County and across the state are working with the family.

Investigators also said that no information has been received that would warrant them to look into areas outside of the state.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131322&catid=295

This has me worried~she's been missing 5 days now and they are still interviewing family...........maybe I'm wrong, but it seems if they had completely cleared them or they passed polygraphs that the investigation could move on to SO's in the area or others. I would have also thought they'd have already interviewed friends of family.

God bless this poor child.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 14, 2009, 06:01:31 PM
Did y'all notice that Misty just turned 17 on December 16?  For some reason, that really creeps me out....

Disturbing but sexual consent is 16 in Florida, but where are her parents that a minor child is living with an adult man - for most parents this is a O HELL TO THE NO!

In some places here in Fla. the parents OH HELL TO THE NO translates into , yeah,whatever to the LE... Basically, at a certain age LE will not even step in to stop a 17 year old girl from making the biggest mistake of her life by hooking up and moving in with an adult man with child/children from the last girl that got mixed up with him... umm yes, I am bitter from my situation such as that... speaking of,my now 18 year old and her dead beat dad bf just showed up and they are fighting...feel the love on valentines day.. I shall return...    ::MonkeyConfused::    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 14, 2009, 06:04:35 PM
Did y'all notice that Misty just turned 17 on December 16?  For some reason, that really creeps me out....

Disturbing but sexual consent is 16 in Florida, but where are her parents that a minor child is living with an adult man - for most parents this is a O HELL TO THE NO!

In some places here in Fla. the parents OH HELL TO THE NO translates into , yeah,whatever to the LE... Basically, at a certain age LE will not even step in to stop a 17 year old girl from making the biggest mistake of her life by hooking up and moving in with an adult man with child/children from the last girl that got mixed up with him... umm yes, I am bitter from my situation such as that... speaking of,my now 18 year old and her dead beat dad bf just showed up and they are fighting...feel the love on valentines day.. I shall return...    ::MonkeyConfused::    ::MonkeyEek::

P.S  I forgot to add, the family we have seen so far remind me of my daughters bf.. uggg


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Sleuth on February 14, 2009, 06:08:26 PM
Thanks Islandmonkey.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 06:12:17 PM
Thanks Islandmonkey.

YW


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: open-mind on February 14, 2009, 06:16:57 PM
Hi everyone, I was wondering, is the birth mother only 19? meaning she was only 14 when she had the lil girl?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 14, 2009, 06:19:01 PM
LE might be wanting more details of who has had contact with the child family members. Wasn't there a mention of going back thirty days. Pat Brown, a profiler thought that who ever did it ( if the gf wasn't involved )  would had to have some knowledge of the habits, like him going to work at night and what hour he returned. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: open-mind on February 14, 2009, 06:29:28 PM
wow in the police report it has the mother's birthdate at 8/30/89 and hayleighs at 8/16/03
if correct the mther was only 13 at the time of birth.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 06:52:00 PM
wow in the police report it has the mother's birthdate at 8/30/89 and hayleighs at 8/16/03
if correct the mther was only 13 at the time of birth.

I believe that is a mistake.

DOB should be 8-30-85.

Crystal is 23.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Sleuth on February 14, 2009, 06:53:07 PM
wow in the police report it has the mother's birthdate at 8/30/89 and hayleighs at 8/16/03
if correct the mther was only 13 at the time of birth.

I noticed that too, and wondered if that might be part of the reason why he had custody.

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Sleuth on February 14, 2009, 06:54:48 PM
wow in the police report it has the mother's birthdate at 8/30/89 and hayleighs at 8/16/03
if correct the mther was only 13 at the time of birth.

I believe that is a mistake.

DOB should be 8-30-85.

Crystal is 23.

TY


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 06:56:16 PM
Did y'all notice that Misty just turned 17 on December 16?  For some reason, that really creeps me out....

Yes. She is very young! And sounds like it whenever I hear her speak.

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 14, 2009, 06:56:43 PM
I believe that is the birthdate of the GF Misty, not Bio Mom Crystal.


..
So Conway said the Ants were " working behind the scenes " Gag me.
..
Happy Valentines Day my Monkee Amies. I am going out for a nice family dinner. 
I do intend to feel some LOVE even if it's from a couple of little ones.
I am trying to wean myslef away fom posting about the Ant family over there in the other thread, but I am still praying for a doc dump & FINGERPRINTS from CMA who not be able to do a CYA ! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: open-mind on February 14, 2009, 06:57:27 PM
wow in the police report it has the mother's birthdate at 8/30/89 and hayleighs at 8/16/03
if correct the mther was only 13 at the time of birth.

I believe that is a mistake.

DOB should be 8-30-85.

Crystal is 23.
that sounds better :)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: open-mind on February 14, 2009, 07:00:17 PM
I believe that is the birthdate of the GF Misty, not Bio Mom Crystal.


..
So Conway said the Ants were " working behind the scenes " Gag me.
..
Happy Valentines Day my Monkee Amies. I am going out for a nice family dinner. 
I do intend to feel some LOVE even if it's from a couple of little ones.
I am trying to wean myslef away fom posting about the Ant family over there in the other thread, but I am still praying for a doc dump & FINGERPRINTS from CMA who not be able to do a CYA ! 
no, Misty's is 12/09/91


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 07:00:23 PM
I believe that is the birthdate of the GF Misty, not Bio Mom Crystal.


..
So Conway said the Ants were " working behind the scenes " Gag me.
..
Happy Valentines Day my Monkee Amies. I am going out for a nice family dinner. 
I do intend to feel some LOVE even if it's from a couple of little ones.
I am trying to wean myslef away fom posting about the Ant family over there in the other thread, but I am still praying for a doc dump & FINGERPRINTS from CMA who not be able to do a CYA ! 

Misty Croslin: DOB: 12-09-91

(according to the police report)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: wendiw8780 on February 14, 2009, 07:03:22 PM
I agree that he does have a very questionable past.  The drug incidents though are from nearly 6 years ago, not saying that he has completely changed, but I do believe that people can.  If he is a crane operator there is no way he is working LEGALY while under the influence.  Those that operate heavy machinery are drug tested often, now what types of drug testing is done (blood or urine) I am not sure of as it depends on the employer and circustances that OSHA puts them under.

I am getting the weird vibes from the girlfriend, but it could just be her lack of maturity showing through on camera, she is just a baby herself.  (Now that is questionable!)


I'm not saying the dad had anything to do with this, just looks like he has issues, even now he seems to have anger issues and seems to be controlling IMO. Also, my dad works for a major steel company and they use cranes to move the steel~while they are randomly drug tested, they have been using something (maybe niacin, can't remember offhand) to throw off the test. They actually witnessed one of their crane operators smoking pot at the mill and he was fired on the spot.

The gf is where my suspicions are, especially after I heard she had company and her inconsisitent stories. Both look like druggies to me, mainly because they remind me of my brother and I see alot of the same mannerisms, attitudes, and odd behavoir in both of them. It's really sad because it seems all involved including bio mom act odd, almost disconnected.

i totally agree with you islandmonkey. also, & this is just my opinion, since the gf is just a baby herself, i wonder about jealousy. i know when i married my husband, i had moments of jealousy. (never enough to harm him) but my stepson resented me alot because we had custoded.(sp?) he wanted to be with his mom of course. i don't want to ramble but it just bugs me about the age of gf & child. i hope noone takes this the wrong way, i just mean that sometimes their are jealousy issues. i was alot older than the girlfriend but only 15 years older than my stepson. jmo.

huggs!

wendi


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 07:04:16 PM
Wyks

Not sure if it is confirmed that Ron was at work his entire shift or not but early on LE in a presser mentioned that the father was indeed at work.   By that I would think they confirmed that rather immediately.

To my knowledge the only mention of bedwetting was by Misty for that evening, and I watched one of the grandmother's state that Haleigh had not wet the bed in over 2 years in her care.   At this point, yes, I do think people heard that and ran with it...I skimmed several links for Turners Syndrome & there was no direct symptom listed as bedwetting but a few sites indicated kidney/urinary abnormalities at approx 30% in patients

Thanks for being on top of that, Cappuccino!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 07:09:12 PM
Hi everyone, I was wondering, is the birth mother only 19? meaning she was only 14 when she had the lil girl?

Birth mother is 23 or 24 not 19


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 07:14:23 PM
Hi everyone, I was wondering, is the birth mother only 19? meaning she was only 14 when she had the lil girl?

Birth mother is 23 or 24 not 19

yup. DOB: 8-30-1985

Klaas: in the maps section, you posted a duplicate of mine. Maybe delete one or the other?

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 07:16:55 PM
Exactly!  Where are Misty's parents?  What parent would ever let their 17 year old daughter (16 when they first started dating) live with, or even date a 25 year old with three kids??!  This is so very wrong, and disturbing. 

And a daughter not having graduated, nor working on her GED either.  Meaning she dropped out of school at some point.  Perhaps this and what you've mentioned is more of a case of her doing exactly what she wants to do and when, rather than her parents 'letting' her?  Still and all tho, one would think her parents would have tried to intervene, and perhaps they did at some point. 

As to his parents.. As the mom of three young adult sons in their 20s (24, 26, 28), I'd be bopping them upside the head if any of em tried having a gf so very young.  I'm curious if his parents tried to intervene with his choice of a live-in gf, especially considering that he had full custody of his two kids. 
 
We may learn more about each set of parents and what they did or didn't do, or tried to do, as time goes on. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: 3bboysmom on February 14, 2009, 07:21:27 PM
wow in the police report it has the mother's birthdate at 8/30/89 and hayleighs at 8/16/03
if correct the mther was only 13 at the time of birth.

I believe that is a mistake.

DOB should be 8-30-85.

Crystal is 23.
that sounds better :)

Good find on that, open-mind!  I looked at the report and never noticed it said that.  But I did read also, somewhere, that the bio mom is 23.  Very observant of you, though. 

I have the same feeling as many of you other monkeys.  Something just doesn't seem right with the gf and her story - I mean stories.  Or the father seeming so angry and possibly abusive.  Then the bio mom ...seems innocent, but if she was upset that dad got the kids, could she have arranged for someone to take Haleigh from dad?
Then there are all of those SOs around - one last seen kind of near, but now unaccounted for...
So sad.  Please let Haleigh be ok and come home!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 07:22:10 PM
Exactly!  Where are Misty's parents?  What parent would ever let their 17 year old daughter (16 when they first started dating) live with, or even date a 25 year old with three kids??!  This is so very wrong, and disturbing. 

And a daughter not having graduated, nor working on her GED either.  Meaning she dropped out of school at some point.  Perhaps this and what you've mentioned is more of a case of her doing exactly what she wants to do and when, rather than her parents 'letting' her?  Still and all tho, one would think her parents would have tried to intervene, and perhaps they did at some point. 

As to his parents.. As the mom of three young adult sons in their 20s (24, 26, 28), I'd be bopping them upside the head if any of em tried having a gf so very young.  I'm curious if his parents tried to intervene with his choice of a live-in gf, especially considering that he had full custody of his two kids. 
 
We may learn more about each set of parents and what they did or didn't do, or tried to do, as time goes on. 



Sounds like she has moved around a bit also.

From the notes I have been keeping on Misty Croslin:
- She is originally from Michigan. She has lived in Florida for about seven years. Croslin has lived in various parts of the state, including Daytona, where she lived with her brother.
- She has lived in Putnam County off and on for about a year. Her parents live there. She said she prefers city life.
- Croslin has been dating Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for about five months. She lives with him.
- Croslin does not go to school; she hasn't for a while. She signed up for GED classes but never went.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 07:23:52 PM
I have been looking for this video since the first time I saw it. My first thought was that Misty was upset with George with her hand on her hip then she acts angry as she removes her jacket shirt.

George Anthony helps Haleigh
(http://i40.tinypic.com/of7x4x.jpg)
 (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/george-anthony-helps-haleigh/1482641707/?icid=VIDLRVNWS01)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 07:30:44 PM
I have been looking for this video since the first time I saw it. My first thought was that Misty was upset with George with her hand on her hip then she acts angry as she removes her jacket shirt.

George Anthony helps Haleigh
(http://i40.tinypic.com/of7x4x.jpg)
 (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/george-anthony-helps-haleigh/1482641707/?icid=VIDLRVNWS01)


I watched it full screen and I don't see anger there, myself. Looked like she was smiling or squinting in the sun to me. That was taken on 2-12-09, I believe (Thursday.)

Is George still there? I haven't heard what he has done since then. He did mention a website that he told people was up for Haleigh via kidfinders that day in a video I watched, but the website was not up.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 07:32:37 PM
The website I mentioned above that George told us to go to is http://helpfindhaleigh.com/

It is still not functional.

::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 07:35:12 PM
Did y'all notice that Misty just turned 17 on December 16?  For some reason, that really creeps me out....

Disturbing but sexual consent is 16 in Florida, but where are her parents that a minor child is living with an adult man - for most parents this is a O HELL TO THE NO!

In some places here in Fla. the parents OH HELL TO THE NO translates into , yeah,whatever to the LE... Basically, at a certain age LE will not even step in to stop a 17 year old girl from making the biggest mistake of her life by hooking up and moving in with an adult man with child/children from the last girl that got mixed up with him... umm yes, I am bitter from my situation such as that... speaking of,my now 18 year old and her dead beat dad bf just showed up and they are fighting...feel the love on valentines day.. I shall return...    ::MonkeyConfused::    ::MonkeyEek::

P.S  I forgot to add, the family we have seen so far remind me of my daughters bf.. uggg

Ack, Searching, I'm so sorry you are in that situation.  Sometimes I wish we as parents could go back to the olden thing of pre-arranged marriages for our kids.  Cuz I could sure have chosen better for my sons at times.  lol  And to be honest, not sure any girl will be 'good enough' for my youngest 98% 'perfect' son.   ::MonkeyTongue::  (okies, I'm working on that bad attitude.. heh)  Oh how I wish tho that our kids wouldn't even think of getting hooked up with anyone until they are about 35 yrs. old.   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 07:38:27 PM
Behind the Scenes at Satsuma, Florida


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_XnjFbLEA)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 07:46:09 PM
So does anyone have any idea's about what kind of dvd's, tapes they would have seized at the scene that night?  I mean why seize them unless they are illegal or could it have been video of Haleigh? And if these other people are listed on the original report as witnesses does this mean they were present when the police showed up?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 14, 2009, 07:52:02 PM
Also there is only one set of child's footprints that were noted, if there were others you'd think that would be in the report as well.  I still would like a comparison of Misty's footprints next to Haleighs.  I know it sounds silly, but you never know.

It also scares the crap out of me that she supposedly wondered so far on foot alone at night.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kitkat53 on February 14, 2009, 07:53:24 PM
I believe that is the birthdate of the GF Misty, not Bio Mom Crystal.


..
So Conway said the Ants were " working behind the scenes " Gag me.
..
Happy Valentines Day my Monkee Amies. I am going out for a nice family dinner. 
I do intend to feel some LOVE even if it's from a couple of little ones.
I am trying to wean myslef away fom posting about the Ant family over there in the other thread, but I am still praying for a doc dump & FINGERPRINTS from CMA who not be able to do a CYA ! 

Misty Croslin: DOB: 12-09-91

(according to the police report)

I think about my lil siter who was born in 92. She is very good with children she has 3 nieces and a nephew. One of the babies being my own. But if she had to do it full time she would go crazy. She is to involved with myspace and going out with friends and stuff. I couldn't imagine Misty giving these children her full attention all day and half the night. And what 17 year old goes to bed around 10-10:30? Jeez when I was 17 I was wide awake and ready to go out or was already out roaming around.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 14, 2009, 07:54:51 PM
The website I mentioned above that George told us to go to is http://helpfindhaleigh.com/

It is still not functional.

::MonkeyEek::
It's in one of the videos with George he is corrected on the name. This is not the correct name. I pulled it up today but didn't save it.  All that was there was a flyer.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 14, 2009, 08:03:14 PM
The website I mentioned above that George told us to go to is http://helpfindhaleigh.com/

It is still not functional.

::MonkeyEek::
It's in one of the videos with George he is corrected on the name. This is not the correct name. I pulled it up today but didn't save it.  All that was there was a flyer.

http://www.bringhaleighhome.com/


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 14, 2009, 08:04:08 PM
Did y'all notice that Misty just turned 17 on December 16?  For some reason, that really creeps me out....

Disturbing but sexual consent is 16 in Florida, but where are her parents that a minor child is living with an adult man - for most parents this is a O HELL TO THE NO!

In some places here in Fla. the parents OH HELL TO THE NO translates into , yeah,whatever to the LE... Basically, at a certain age LE will not even step in to stop a 17 year old girl from making the biggest mistake of her life by hooking up and moving in with an adult man with child/children from the last girl that got mixed up with him... umm yes, I am bitter from my situation such as that... speaking of,my now 18 year old and her dead beat dad bf just showed up and they are fighting...feel the love on valentines day.. I shall return...    ::MonkeyConfused::    ::MonkeyEek::

P.S  I forgot to add, the family we have seen so far remind me of my daughters bf.. uggg

Ack, Searching, I'm so sorry you are in that situation.  Sometimes I wish we as parents could go back to the olden thing of pre-arranged marriages for our kids.  Cuz I could sure have chosen better for my sons at times.  lol  And to be honest, not sure any girl will be 'good enough' for my youngest 98% 'perfect' son.   ::MonkeyTongue::  (okies, I'm working on that bad attitude.. heh)  Oh how I wish tho that our kids wouldn't even think of getting hooked up with anyone until they are about 35 yrs. old.   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


We can dream right???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 14, 2009, 08:17:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYYSeZwTQuQ&feature=related

  This guy is funny, but he scares even me, dont know who he is, but I hope he is coming to Florida...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 08:19:41 PM
Behind the Scenes at Satsuma, Florida


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_XnjFbLEA)

::MonkeyEek:: OMG~ LP is on that video stating he think that Haleigh is alive and the gf knows where she is, that she has her with some friends ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 08:21:13 PM
Behind the Scenes at Satsuma, Florida


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_XnjFbLEA)

::MonkeyEek:: OMG~ LP is on that video stating he think that Haleigh is alive and the gf knows where she is, that she has her with some friends ::MonkeyRoll::

Isn't that exactly what he thought about Caylee? Drja Vu all over again ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 14, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
Behind the Scenes at Satsuma, Florida


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_XnjFbLEA)

::MonkeyEek:: OMG~ LP is on that video stating he think that Haleigh is alive and the gf knows where she is, that she has her with some friends ::MonkeyRoll::
Ye Island I listened to that and LP needs to stop with that crap, first of all no way would the girl friend need to take the child, she already was with her day in and day out, and I doubt any of her friends would want a five year old either, thats just crazy,   LP also thought he could find Caylee to but guess what nope, didnt work....I have been researching alot on this case and I think someone did come in and take the child it could be someone the family's knows or it could be a stranger but someone did come in and take her, and the story will surfice pretty soon, Im sure of that,,,,


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 08:31:28 PM
Behind the Scenes at Satsuma, Florida


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_XnjFbLEA)

::MonkeyEek:: OMG~ LP is on that video stating he think that Haleigh is alive and the gf knows where she is, that she has her with some friends ::MonkeyRoll::
Ye Island I listened to that and LP needs to stop with that crap, first of all no way would the girl friend need to take the child, she already was with her day in and day out, and I doubt any of her friends would want a five year old either, thats just crazy,   LP also thought he could find Caylee to but guess what nope, didnt work....I have been researching alot on this case and I think someone did come in and take the child it could be someone the family's knows or it could be a stranger but someone did come in and take her, and the story will surfice pretty soon, Im sure of that,,,,

I think if someone did come in, I agree it would be someone the family knows...........stranger abductions are from a home are more rare although they do happen, it's usually someone the family know. I know about Polly K, Elizabeth S etc., but those are the exception to the rule when it comes to taking someone from their home.

You have nanners ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 08:32:03 PM
The website I mentioned above that George told us to go to is http://helpfindhaleigh.com/

It is still not functional.

::MonkeyEek::
It's in one of the videos with George he is corrected on the name. This is not the correct name. I pulled it up today but didn't save it.  All that was there was a flyer.

http://www.bringhaleighhome.com/

Ah. Thanks.

Web-Site Provided By Kid Finders Network

As Today said, it is just a flyer.

Wow, that group sure does help, huh? (Not.)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 08:34:34 PM
Behind the Scenes at Satsuma, Florida


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_XnjFbLEA)

::MonkeyEek:: OMG~ LP is on that video stating he think that Haleigh is alive and the gf knows where she is, that she has her with some friends ::MonkeyRoll::
Ye Island I listened to that and LP needs to stop with that crap, first of all no way would the girl friend need to take the child, she already was with her day in and day out, and I doubt any of her friends would want a five year old either, thats just crazy,   LP also thought he could find Caylee to but guess what nope, didnt work....I have been researching alot on this case and I think someone did come in and take the child it could be someone the family's knows or it could be a stranger but someone did come in and take her, and the story will surfice pretty soon, Im sure of that,,,,

I think if someone did come in, I agree it would be someone the family knows...........stranger abductions from a home are more rare although they do happen, it's usually someone the family knows. I know about Polly K, Elizabeth S etc., but those are the exception to the rule when it comes to taking someone from their home.

You have nanners ::MonkeyTongue::

Edit~Still too hungover to type (or think) ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 08:37:07 PM
Did y'all notice that Misty just turned 17 on December 16?  For some reason, that really creeps me out....

Disturbing but sexual consent is 16 in Florida, but where are her parents that a minor child is living with an adult man - for most parents this is a O HELL TO THE NO!

In some places here in Fla. the parents OH HELL TO THE NO translates into , yeah,whatever to the LE... Basically, at a certain age LE will not even step in to stop a 17 year old girl from making the biggest mistake of her life by hooking up and moving in with an adult man with child/children from the last girl that got mixed up with him... umm yes, I am bitter from my situation such as that... speaking of,my now 18 year old and her dead beat dad bf just showed up and they are fighting...feel the love on valentines day.. I shall return...    ::MonkeyConfused::    ::MonkeyEek::

P.S  I forgot to add, the family we have seen so far remind me of my daughters bf.. uggg

Ack, Searching, I'm so sorry you are in that situation.  Sometimes I wish we as parents could go back to the olden thing of pre-arranged marriages for our kids.  Cuz I could sure have chosen better for my sons at times.  lol  And to be honest, not sure any girl will be 'good enough' for my youngest 98% 'perfect' son.   ::MonkeyTongue::  (okies, I'm working on that bad attitude.. heh)  Oh how I wish tho that our kids wouldn't even think of getting hooked up with anyone until they are about 35 yrs. old.   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


We can dream right???

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2009, 08:38:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYYSeZwTQuQ&feature=related

  This guy is funny, but he scares even me, dont know who he is, but I hope he is coming to Florida...

He appears drunk to me.
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 14, 2009, 08:45:50 PM
Island,  nanners have been returned to you!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 08:56:04 PM
Island,  nanners have been returned to you!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 14, 2009, 08:59:05 PM
Island,  nanners have been returned to you!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks ::MonkeyTongue::
This story is why you should be very careful about who you talk to  and what you reveil when you do talk, even just having a general conversation with a co- worker could be a mistake, you dont ever know who they might repeat things to, who they know or who else might overhear what you say, especially if it involves your kids and their where-a-bouts...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 09:14:27 PM
Island,  nanners have been returned to you!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks ::MonkeyTongue::
This story is why you should be very careful about who you talk to  and what you reveil when you do talk, even just having a general conversation with a co- worker could be a mistake, you dont ever know who they might repeat things to, who they know or who else might overhear what you say, especially if it involves your kids and their where-a-bouts...

So true, but at work we share so much just chatting with other parents about whatever is going on in our kid's lives.

I wonder when LE is going to give info about the results of the polygraph test~any idea?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 14, 2009, 09:20:26 PM
Island,  nanners have been returned to you!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks ::MonkeyTongue::
This story is why you should be very careful about who you talk to  and what you reveil when you do talk, even just having a general conversation with a co- worker could be a mistake, you dont ever know who they might repeat things to, who they know or who else might overhear what you say, especially if it involves your kids and their where-a-bouts...

So true, but at work we share so much just chatting with other parents about whatever is going on in our kid's lives.

I wonder when LE is going to give info about the results of the polygraph test~any idea?

i dont believe we will hear anything about specific results until the case is tried and over. they are just used as an investigative tool andnot admissible in court, so technically their results wouldnt be part of the discovery the defense is entitled to since its not usable during trial.(if there ever is one.)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: wendiw8780 on February 14, 2009, 09:23:13 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf


Police report PDF

This report states she was in a pink shirt and tan shorts...........i thought first gf stated pj's, then pink shirt and underwear.....not where do the tan shorts come in?


Also she states that she got up to get a drink of water and notice Haleigh was missing, THEN she ran around frantically looking for her and then noticed the back door was open...........so, how many differnt stories has she told so far, around 5 ::MonkeyNoNo::


BUMP...........

Islandmonkey, mark misses you! xxoo! lol!

wendi


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 09:26:16 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf


Police report PDF

This report states she was in a pink shirt and tan shorts...........i thought first gf stated pj's, then pink shirt and underwear.....not where do the tan shorts come in?


Also she states that she got up to get a drink of water and notice Haleigh was missing, THEN she ran around frantically looking for her and then noticed the back door was open...........so, how many differnt stories has she told so far, around 5 ::MonkeyNoNo::


BUMP...........

Islandmonkey, mark misses you! xxoo! lol!

wendi

LMAO, pls surely he doesn't even remember me from 1994 and one lunch ::MonkeyHaHa:: By the way, I sent you a nanner Wednesday...did u get it?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 09:29:18 PM

CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESS GHB POSSESS GHB Gender M

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Isn't GHB the date rape drug??   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 09:33:19 PM

CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESS GHB POSSESS GHB Gender M

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Isn't GHB the date rape drug??   ::MonkeyEek::
 ::MonkeyEek::
Why yes it is~Wyks, where did you find that ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 14, 2009, 09:34:32 PM
GHB & GHB Analogs 1 2 


GHB (Gama Hydroxybutyric Acid) is a synthetic depressant produced in clandestine labs. While available as a prescription for sleep disorders in some other countries GHB was banned (in the U.S.) by the FDA in 1990 because of the dangers associated with its use. However, on July 17th, 2002, GHB was approved for treatment of a rare form of narcolepsy. Most of the GHB used in the U.S. is illegally manufactured within its borders. Like Rohypnol, GHB and its analogs are considered "date rape" drugs because they can be mixed with liquids (even water) and a victim wouldn't notice by smelling or looking at it. GHB, by itself, has a soapy or salty taste--but when mixed in a drink it may be difficult to detect.

Other products such as GBL and 1,4 butanediol (BD) are appearing in the illegal market as GHB substitutes. These analogs are just as dangerous and have similar effects on the body.

GHB can be made from ingredients such as GBL (gamma-butyrolactone), a solvent commonly used as a paint stripper, or butanediol (1,4-butanediol), a chemical used in the production of plastics and adhesives. Both GBL and butanediol are metabolized into GHB in the body. GHB, GBL, and butanediol (BD) are difficult to trace because they quickly leave the body and may be difficult to detect in emergency rooms and other treatment facilities. The FDA has issued warnings for both GBL and 1,4-butanediol, stating that the drugs have a potential for abuse and are a public health danger.

GHB and it's analogs are known as "G," "liquid x","caps," "scoop," "goop," "georgia home boy," and "grievous bodily harm."
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: wendiw8780 on February 14, 2009, 09:37:47 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf


Police report PDF

This report states she was in a pink shirt and tan shorts...........i thought first gf stated pj's, then pink shirt and underwear.....not where do the tan shorts come in?


Also she states that she got up to get a drink of water and notice Haleigh was missing, THEN she ran around frantically looking for her and then noticed the back door was open...........so, how many differnt stories has she told so far, around 5 ::MonkeyNoNo::


BUMP...........

Islandmonkey, mark misses you! xxoo! lol!

wendi

LMAO, pls surely he doesn't even remember me from 1994 and one lunch ::MonkeyHaHa:: By the way, I sent you a nanner Wednesday...did u get it?

pretty hot from what i hear!!!!! not sure how to check nanners!!!! this will be my first! thank you for the other nite-you are a very SMART & KIND monkey!

wendi


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 09:38:12 PM
My apologies if this has already been posted before....

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First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.147.1 MISDEMEANOR - POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA Gender M

12 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6B MISDEMEANOR - POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA Gender M

13 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA (MORE THAN 20 GRAMS) Gender M

14 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES (OTHER THAN COCAINE, HEROIN, OPIUM, OR MARIJUANA) Gender M

15 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESS METHAMPHETAMINE Gender M

16 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESS MDMA Gender M

17 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESS GHB Gender M

18 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A OPIUM - POSSESSION (LESS THAN 10 GRAMS) Gender M

19 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A HEROIN - POSSESSION (LESS THAN 10 GRAMS) Gender

20 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A COCAINE - POSSESSION Gender M

21 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0499.03 Gender M

22 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2001-10-23 Source State FL
Offense 0784.011 MISDEMEANOR - ASSAULT Gender M

23 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2001-01-02 Source State FL
Offense 0322.16 Gender M

24 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2001-05-20 Source State FL
Offense 0569.11.1 Gender M


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: wendiw8780 on February 14, 2009, 09:40:01 PM

CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESS GHB POSSESS GHB Gender M

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Isn't GHB the date rape drug??   ::MonkeyEek::


YEP!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 09:41:41 PM

CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESS GHB POSSESS GHB Gender M

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Isn't GHB the date rape drug??   ::MonkeyEek::


 ::MonkeyEek::
Why yes it is~Wyks, where did you find that ::MonkeyNoNo::


I found it in two other forums chatting about Haleigh.  The longer version I posted after this one including the rest is over at Websleuths.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 09:43:22 PM
GHB & GHB Analogs 1 2 


GHB (Gama Hydroxybutyric Acid) is a synthetic depressant produced in clandestine labs. While available as a prescription for sleep disorders in some other countries GHB was banned (in the U.S.) by the FDA in 1990 because of the dangers associated with its use. However, on July 17th, 2002, GHB was approved for treatment of a rare form of narcolepsy. Most of the GHB used in the U.S. is illegally manufactured within its borders. Like Rohypnol, GHB and its analogs are considered "date rape" drugs because they can be mixed with liquids (even water) and a victim wouldn't notice by smelling or looking at it. GHB, by itself, has a soapy or salty taste--but when mixed in a drink it may be difficult to detect.

Other products such as GBL and 1,4 butanediol (BD) are appearing in the illegal market as GHB substitutes. These analogs are just as dangerous and have similar effects on the body.

GHB can be made from ingredients such as GBL (gamma-butyrolactone), a solvent commonly used as a paint stripper, or butanediol (1,4-butanediol), a chemical used in the production of plastics and adhesives. Both GBL and butanediol are metabolized into GHB in the body. GHB, GBL, and butanediol (BD) are difficult to trace because they quickly leave the body and may be difficult to detect in emergency rooms and other treatment facilities. The FDA has issued warnings for both GBL and 1,4-butanediol, stating that the drugs have a potential for abuse and are a public health danger.

GHB and it's analogs are known as "G," "liquid x","caps," "scoop," "goop," "georgia home boy," and "grievous bodily harm."
 


Wow!  Good info!  Thanks!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 09:49:20 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf


Police report PDF

This report states she was in a pink shirt and tan shorts...........i thought first gf stated pj's, then pink shirt and underwear.....not where do the tan shorts come in?


Also she states that she got up to get a drink of water and notice Haleigh was missing, THEN she ran around frantically looking for her and then noticed the back door was open...........so, how many differnt stories has she told so far, around 5 ::MonkeyNoNo::


BUMP...........

Islandmonkey, mark misses you! xxoo! lol!

wendi

LMAO, pls surely he doesn't even remember me from 1994 and one lunch ::MonkeyHaHa:: By the way, I sent you a nanner Wednesday...did u get it?

pretty hot from what i hear!!!!! not sure how to check nanners!!!! this will be my first! thank you for the other nite-you are a very SMART & KIND monkey!

wendi

OMG~ I'm crying from laughing as I type.......that's too d@mn funny.

nanner checking means check your email at bellsouth!!

Anytime, that's what monkeys are 4, we stand together ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 09:54:12 PM
To be fair.. the stuff I posted on Haleigh's father was like 7 years ago.  Looks as if he cleaned himself up a bit, which is a good thing. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: wendiw8780 on February 14, 2009, 09:54:21 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf


Police report PDF

This report states she was in a pink shirt and tan shorts...........i thought first gf stated pj's, then pink shirt and underwear.....not where do the tan shorts come in?


Also she states that she got up to get a drink of water and notice Haleigh was missing, THEN she ran around frantically looking for her and then noticed the back door was open...........so, how many differnt stories has she told so far, around 5 ::MonkeyNoNo::


BUMP...........

Islandmonkey, mark misses you! xxoo! lol!

wendi

LMAO, pls surely he doesn't even remember me from 1994 and one lunch ::MonkeyHaHa:: By the way, I sent you a nanner Wednesday...did u get it?

pretty hot from what i hear!!!!! not sure how to check nanners!!!! this will be my first! thank you for the other nite-you are a very SMART & KIND monkey!

wendi

OMG~ I'm crying from laughing as I type.......that's too d@mn funny.

nanner checking means check your email at bellsouth!!

Anytime, that's what monkeys are 4, we stand together ::MonkeyCool::

you were a total life saver!!!!! really! & now i know how hot you are!!!! (also very smart)

wendi


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 09:57:55 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf


Police report PDF

This report states she was in a pink shirt and tan shorts...........i thought first gf stated pj's, then pink shirt and underwear.....not where do the tan shorts come in?


Also she states that she got up to get a drink of water and notice Haleigh was missing, THEN she ran around frantically looking for her and then noticed the back door was open...........so, how many differnt stories has she told so far, around 5 ::MonkeyNoNo::


BUMP...........

Islandmonkey, mark misses you! xxoo! lol!

wendi

LMAO, pls surely he doesn't even remember me from 1994 and one lunch ::MonkeyHaHa:: By the way, I sent you a nanner Wednesday...did u get it?

pretty hot from what i hear!!!!! not sure how to check nanners!!!! this will be my first! thank you for the other nite-you are a very SMART & KIND monkey!

wendi

OMG~ I'm crying from laughing as I type.......that's too d@mn funny.

nanner checking means check your email at bellsouth!!

Anytime, that's what monkeys are 4, we stand together ::MonkeyCool::

you were a total life saver!!!!! really! & now i know how hot you are!!!! (also very smart)

wendi

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: I am 15yrs older now........ ::MonkeyWaa::

What's your take on this case?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: katiekatie2u on February 14, 2009, 10:05:54 PM
george in my opinion is just there to gain more attention to casey.

he is so arrogant did you all hear what he said. he said something to the effect that maybe through him being there  he could convince the media to get more exposure.. geez


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 10:06:19 PM
Interesting.. a link for age of consent, state by state..

http://www.webistry.net/jan/consent.html (http://www.webistry.net/jan/consent.html)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: katiekatie2u on February 14, 2009, 10:12:19 PM
leonord padilla needs to go homeee and stay homeeeeee.. he is just trying to get notoriety.. dang he reminds me of the neighbor in bewitched...

he is tooo much...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 10:16:38 PM
It appears that Haleigh's father did not get jail time for the possession of all those hard-core drugs.  Sooooo.. Could he have turned in whoever was supplying him?  And if that's true, could that person have been doing time these past 6-7 years, got out, perhaps taking Haleigh as revenge? 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cheerio on February 14, 2009, 10:20:16 PM
Interesting.. a link for age of consent, state by state..

http://www.webistry.net/jan/consent.html (http://www.webistry.net/jan/consent.html)


A scary world out there ::MonkeyNoNo:: I feel my Valentines dinner coming up.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 10:21:47 PM
It appears that Haleigh's father did not get jail time for the possession of all those hard-core drugs.  Sooooo.. Could he have turned in whoever was supplying him?  And if that's true, could that person have been doing time these past 6-7 years, got out, perhaps taking Haleigh as revenge? 



I mentioned earlier that he seems to have gotten off easy....I had his records on one page all the way thru 2008. I wonder if he snitched on someone. He seems to just keep getting off and I also noticed when I looked thru his records that it was always the same judge (in those I dared look into).

Remember I have no friends, and no emenies-or something like that.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 10:36:06 PM
It appears that Haleigh's father did not get jail time for the possession of all those hard-core drugs.  Sooooo.. Could he have turned in whoever was supplying him?  And if that's true, could that person have been doing time these past 6-7 years, got out, perhaps taking Haleigh as revenge? 



I mentioned earlier that he seems to have gotten off easy....I had his records on one page all the way thru 2008. I wonder if he snitched on someone. He seems to just keep getting off and I also noticed when I looked thru his records that it was always the same judge (in those I dared look into).

Remember I have no friends, and no emenies-or something like that.

Yeppers!!  And if he did snitch, he's got plenty of enemies.  Criminal types have their own set of ethics and loyalties.  A snitch is considered one of the worst to them. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 14, 2009, 10:45:04 PM
Wyks, this is why I wondered from the get-go if this was a revenge act. The LE seem so focused on this being a true abduction, I have been wondering if there had been threats and Ronald and/or Misty disclosed that to LE from the beginning? That would explain why the poly's were done so quickly for Ronald and Misty, but less a sense of urgency for the bio mother.......

I also wonder if Misty has some form of a developmental disorder? Also, she's a minor so if she's had arrests then those records will be under lock and key.

Bottom line, it's unlikely Ronald earns enough as a crane operator alone to pay for daytime child care either, Misty may well have been a means to that end for Ronald too. None of this is an ideal or pretty picture but then real life for teenage parents often isn't a pretty picture.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: FloridaKatz on February 14, 2009, 10:49:45 PM
It appears that Haleigh's father did not get jail time for the possession of all those hard-core drugs.  Sooooo.. Could he have turned in whoever was supplying him?  And if that's true, could that person have been doing time these past 6-7 years, got out, perhaps taking Haleigh as revenge? 



I mentioned earlier that he seems to have gotten off easy....I had his records on one page all the way thru 2008. I wonder if he snitched on someone. He seems to just keep getting off and I also noticed when I looked thru his records that it was always the same judge (in those I dared look into).

Remember I have no friends, and no emenies-or something like that.


I hope she is safe.  I'm really about her.  I have a real suspiscion about the 17 year old.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 10:53:15 PM
Wyks, this is why I wondered from the get-go if this was a revenge act. The LE seem so focused on this being a true abduction, I have been wondering if there had been threats and Ronald and/or Misty disclosed that to LE from the beginning? That would explain why the poly's were done so quickly for Ronald and Misty, but less a sense of urgency for the bio mother.......

I also wonder if Misty has some form of a developmental disorder? Also, she's a minor so if she's had arrests then those records will be under lock and key.

Bottom line, it's unlikely Ronald earns enough as a crane operator alone to pay for daytime child care either, Misty may well have been a means to that end for Ronald too. None of this is an ideal or pretty picture but then real life for teenage parents often isn't a pretty picture.


The crane operators where my dad works make almost 100m a yr....

Also, I don't think anyone except dad and gf have even taken polygraphs. If I am wrong, someone pls let me know. I wondered about the snitch part when I saw his lengthy record and only probation I also wonder if Misty knows more than she is telling because she is afraid of him, maybe something like she's had people over when he was at work, etc. Even the smallest detail could break this case and it needs to be broken ASAP for Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 14, 2009, 10:53:57 PM
All I know is time was of the essence and by now, I dont think time is on their side  anymore,  OMG  I hate this, why do this to little kids, why not take someone that can at least fight back, I pray that Im wrong but, I  dont think Haleigh is alive anymore and I really hope they get the sorry no good that took her really really soon........this is making me sick!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 14, 2009, 10:57:28 PM
Wyks, this is why I wondered from the get-go if this was a revenge act. The LE seem so focused on this being a true abduction, I have been wondering if there had been threats and Ronald and/or Misty disclosed that to LE from the beginning? That would explain why the poly's were done so quickly for Ronald and Misty, but less a sense of urgency for the bio mother.......

I also wonder if Misty has some form of a developmental disorder? Also, she's a minor so if she's had arrests then those records will be under lock and key.

Bottom line, it's unlikely Ronald earns enough as a crane operator alone to pay for daytime child care either, Misty may well have been a means to that end for Ronald too. None of this is an ideal or pretty picture but then real life for teenage parents often isn't a pretty picture.


The crane operators where my dad works make almost 100m a yr....

Also, I don't think anyone except dad and gf have even taken polygraphs. If I am wrong, someone pls let me know. I wondered about the snitch part when I saw his lengthy record and only probation I also wonder if Misty knows more than she is telling because she is afraid of him, maybe something like she's had people over when he was at work, etc. Even the smallest detail could break this case and it needs to be broken ASAP for Haleigh.

Do you mean $100,000.00 per year? In a larger urban area within a large construction company, yes I could believe that. If Ronald did earn that then I don't expect they would be living where they do.

I did point out that only Misty the girlfriend and Ronald the father, were the only ones to date to complete a polygraph within my post.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 10:59:12 PM
In case we don't have all the who's who in this case... here's another list, am still filling in info on some:

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MOTHER

Mother of Haleigh is Crystal Diane Sheffield – age 24

Crystal's mother is: Nancy Marie Griffis – age 43 (second marriage to Bruce A. Griffis in 2002 in Putnum County, Florida)

Crystal's father is: Johnny Marcus Sheffield – age 46 – Satsuma and MacClenny

Crystal's siblings are: Sarah Lavon, Marcus, Savannah

Crystal's step-mother (married to her father): Connie Sheffield - age 29?

Crystal's step-father (married to her mother): Bruce A. Griffis – age 46 – Glen St. Mary, Lake City, Sanderson, Lawstoy

Crystal's boyfriend/fiance: Chad Griffis – age 29 (may be son of step-father or step-uncle)

Griffis relatives: Victor Griffis – age 52; Deborah Lynn – age 48; Jill – age 25

FATHER

Father of Haleigh is Ronald Cummings – age 25

Ronald's father: Jack Cummings

Ronald's mother: Theresa Neves

Ronald's girlfriend: Misty Croslin

FATHER'S GIRLFRIEND

Misty Croslin – age 17

Misty's father: Hank Thomas Croslin – age 40

Misty's mother: Lisa Croslin – age 39

Misty's siblings: Lindsey and Chelsea

Misty's father’s occupation: owns T&T Drywall Company – Hank Croslin, Inc.

Misty's father’s relatives: Chester Leon – age 44; Adam Troy – age 43;
June Marie – age 63; Timothy A. – age 21 (this could be Misty's older brother); Michael – (no age given)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: always 1 on February 14, 2009, 11:03:48 PM
In case we don't have all the who's who in this case... here's another list, am still filling in info on some:

========

MOTHER

Mother of Haleigh is Crystal Diane Sheffield – age 24

Crystal's mother is: Nancy Marie Griffis – age 43 (second marriage to Bruce A. Griffis in 2002 in Putnum County, Florida)

Crystal's father is: Johnny Marcus Sheffield – age 46 – Satsuma and MacClenny

Crystal's siblings are: Sarah Lavon, Marcus, Savannah

Crystal's step-mother (married to her father): Connie Sheffield - age 29?

Crystal's step-father (married to her mother): Bruce A. Griffis – age 46 – Glen St. Mary, Lake City, Sanderson, Lawstoy

Crystal's boyfriend/fiance: Chad Griffis – age 29 (may be son of step-father or step-uncle)

Griffis relatives: Victor Griffis – age 52; Deborah Lynn – age 48; Jill – age 25

FATHER

Father of Haleigh is Ronald Cummings – age 25

Ronald's father: Jack Cummings

Ronald's mother: Theresa Neves

Ronald's girlfriend: Misty Croslin

FATHER'S GIRLFRIEND

Misty Croslin – age 17

Misty's father: Hank Thomas Croslin – age 40

Misty's mother: Lisa Croslin – age 39

Misty's siblings: Lindsey and Chelsea

Misty's father’s occupation: owns T&T Drywall Company – Hank Croslin, Inc.

Misty's father’s relatives: Chester Leon – age 44; Adam Troy – age 43;
June Marie – age 63; Timothy A. – age 21 (this could be Misty's older brother); Michael – (no age given)


That you Wyks, that helps a lot.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 14, 2009, 11:08:11 PM
Wyks, this is why I wondered from the get-go if this was a revenge act. The LE seem so focused on this being a true abduction, I have been wondering if there had been threats and Ronald and/or Misty disclosed that to LE from the beginning? That would explain why the poly's were done so quickly for Ronald and Misty, but less a sense of urgency for the bio mother.......

I also wonder if Misty has some form of a developmental disorder? Also, she's a minor so if she's had arrests then those records will be under lock and key.

Bottom line, it's unlikely Ronald earns enough as a crane operator alone to pay for daytime child care either, Misty may well have been a means to that end for Ronald too. None of this is an ideal or pretty picture but then real life for teenage parents often isn't a pretty picture.


The crane operators where my dad works make almost 100m a yr....

Also, I don't think anyone except dad and gf have even taken polygraphs. If I am wrong, someone pls let me know. I wondered about the snitch part when I saw his lengthy record and only probation I also wonder if Misty knows more than she is telling because she is afraid of him, maybe something like she's had people over when he was at work, etc. Even the smallest detail could break this case and it needs to be broken ASAP for Haleigh.

Do you mean $100,000.00 per year? In a larger urban area within a large construction company, yes I could believe that. If Ronald did earn that then I don't expect they would be living where they do.

I did point out that only Misty the girlfriend and Ronald the father, were the only ones to date to complete a polygraph within my post.

yes, sorry I use m at my work because it's easier to write out than numbers all the time. My dad lives in Jackson TN, not a huge urban area and not for .a construction company.

I was asking a question about the poly's.........I wanted to know for certain of LE has disclosed that they have poly'd anyone else, not just the bio mom, but friends etc that live there. It just seems odd that no one else has been polygraphed , at least to me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 11:15:29 PM
Wyks, this is why I wondered from the get-go if this was a revenge act. The LE seem so focused on this being a true abduction, I have been wondering if there had been threats and Ronald and/or Misty disclosed that to LE from the beginning? That would explain why the poly's were done so quickly for Ronald and Misty, but less a sense of urgency for the bio mother.......

I also wonder if Misty has some form of a developmental disorder? Also, she's a minor so if she's had arrests then those records will be under lock and key.

Bottom line, it's unlikely Ronald earns enough as a crane operator alone to pay for daytime child care either, Misty may well have been a means to that end for Ronald too. None of this is an ideal or pretty picture but then real life for teenage parents often isn't a pretty picture.


It is a likely theory, nonesuche.  Especially, as you say, because LE jumped on the abduction angle so quickly.  Another thing is because Haleigh's father, as early as the 911 calls, was ready to kill whoever it was.  At first I thought that was a major over-reaction, now I'm not so sure.  He kept saying 'they', as if he knew who it might have been, and that it was more than one person.  Still could be that he was simply saying 'they' as in generalties tho.  Guess time will tell on all of that. 

I've heard rumors that Misty may have lazy eye and a developmental disorder, as one reason she quit school early.  Haven't seen that reported by the media yet tho.  If she does have lazy eye, could be why it seems she isn't making eye contact with the cameras.  If she has a developmental disorder, could be why she seems hesitant so much with her answers, and why Haleigh's father seems to be hanging on every word she says and corrects her so often.  And then that could be cuz he has been coaching her on what to say and she is forgetting a script or something.  I dunno. 

On another forum, there are some who think both Misty and Haleigh's father have been given sedatives or have been on drugs.  I dunno about either, didn't watch them THAT closely in the interviews.  It could be that they were both reacting after having little to no sleep. 

Hard to say without knowing more than we do. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 11:18:45 PM
That you Wyks, that helps a lot.

You're welcome!  And nic avi!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: always 1 on February 14, 2009, 11:19:56 PM
That you Wyks, that helps a lot.

You're welcome!  And nic avi!   ::MonkeyWink::

Thank you.  Nite Nite.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 14, 2009, 11:27:48 PM
That you Wyks, that helps a lot.

You're welcome!  And nic avi!   ::MonkeyWink::


Errmmm... NICE avi!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2009, 11:51:18 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18715761/detail.html

Putnam Undersheriff: 'We're As Optimistic Now As We Were On Day 1'
Search Will Resume Sunday

POSTED: Saturday, February 14, 2009
UPDATED: 10:15 pm EST February 14, 2009
 

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Overcast skies and occasional rain did not stop more than 200 volunteers and officials with more than 17 local, state and federal agencies searching for a fifth day for 5-year-old Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings.

Haleigh was last seen when she was put to bed at 10 p.m. Monday in her father's home just north of Satsuma. Five hours later, the girl was reported missing by her father and his girlfriend.

With an Amber Alert issued, a growing numbers of investigators have arrived in southern Putnam County in what became a massive search for a kindergartner who authorities came to believe was abducted.

Late Friday, after an expanded search by a team of trained search-and-rescue volunteers turned up several "items of interest," the mood was upbeat.

As Saturday's search came to an end, Putnam County Undersheriff Rick Ryan said the crime lab had ruled those items out as evidence and nothing new of significance had turned up.

Ryan said the lack of progress does not have them discouraged.
 
"We're as optimistic right now as we were on day one. Of course we're frustrated ... but we haven't lost our motivation or our drive," Ryan said. "We're not going to stop looking for her."

Families Come Together

While the families of Haleigh's mother and father have been at odds parts of the week and held separate candlelight vigils each night, both sides came together Saturday night for a prayer service.

On Friday evening, two candle light vigils were held as Haleigh's family prayed for the child's safe return.
 
Crystal Sheffield said the hope of getting her daughter safely home is the only thing that keeps her going.

"If you are watching, this mommy misses you. Your daddy misses you," Sheffield said. "I love and miss you."

The Search Goes On

While the search area is quiet overnight, about 20 agents work around the clock at a command center parked near the doublewide mobile home where the girl disappeared.

Volunteers with Texas Equusearch accompanied by law enforcement officers plan to be back out Sunday look for anything out of the ordinary, such as fresh tire tracks, beaten-down brush, burn marks, clothing or anything that's out of place in the environment.

The weekend search also includes the use of high-tech equipment, including some SONAR devices and thermal-imaging cameras.

Authorities ask anyone with any information to call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0800 or the FDLE's Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse at 888-FL-MISSING.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 14, 2009, 11:52:27 PM
Higherhopes got a new hair cut today, and I just wanted to show it to you and then Im gonna change my avi back, My son does not like it!  But my daughter does so there ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 15, 2009, 12:01:02 AM
I'm so afraid! I think maybe a ped was watching the trailer & the GF would leave to hang out with others, friends, another bf, or her nearby family. Maybe the ped knew she left at night or just happened to see her leave that night. Went in when the gf was gone & snatched the baby. Or she had a bf over & he waited until she fell asleep & took the baby. Because of this, she feels it is all her fault the baby is gone & is certain everyone else will blame her/hate her. I'm sure they would all blame her/hate her, the mom's family already does, but she still needs to come clean if she's not telling the truth. It would feel awful to admit, first of all, that you are cheating, and then the cheating, ultimately lead to putting these children in danger.

I feel she is scared sh*tless to reveal what she may have been doing when dad was at work. I agree that she is afraid of the dad. Admitting you were cheating to anyone isn't easy, but someone you're afraid of? To admit that you left children unattended or let predators (unknowingly) in the home, which led to the baby's abduction would be hard. Now admitting that your CHEATING LED TO THE ABDUCTION OF THE CHILD of the person you are afraid of is even more scary. She not only has to admit that to the bf she's afraid of, but the family, the bio mom & her family, the police, & THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHING.

I mean if they ask her if anyone else had been over there, she would have to say "so & so", then when asked, "who is that?" She would have to say, "the person I schtup when the dad's at work!" I understand how scary this all must be for her, but she needs to start talking!

I also think an intruder could have propped the door open for all the reasons stated, plus, leaving carrying a child, the door would slam behind you. That could wake someone up in time to see what is happening & who is doing it.

some of the "newer" double wides and single mobile homes have vinyl doors. I thought org. that this door would slam shut... but maybe only the screen door if it had a spring.

If you look at the mobile home you can see the dryer vent so either the inner door had to open onto, // with the washer/dryer or it opened the other way against a wall.

If the cinder block turns out to be "real" and not planted, then IMO the cinder block is to hold the screen door open that has the spring so it wouldn't be a problem carrying someone in your arms and the inner door would be no problem just to remain open.

Hope I am making sense.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 15, 2009, 12:09:16 AM
been thinking about the ramp, the disabled ramp.. at first I was going to ask if the screen door had been replaced since the person who used the ramp left. Then I thought when I pushed my mom in a wheel chair up a ramp, I used the "fanny method" to hold open the screen door, but going out you'd have to bend over try to push the screen open and then push the wheel chair. IMO the cinder block, if used by someone talking the girl was to keep the screen door open so he/she could use both arms to carry the girl.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2009, 12:11:49 AM
been thinking about the ramp, the disabled ramp.. at first I was going to ask if the screen door had been replaced since the person who used the ramp left. Then I thought when I pushed my mom in a wheel chair up a ramp, I used the "fanny method" to hold open the screen door, but going out you'd have to bend over try to push the screen open and then push the wheel chair. IMO the cinder block, if used by someone talking the girl was to keep the screen door open so he/she could use both arms to carry the girl.

Yes IBE, I agree. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 12:12:16 AM
just wanted to make sure my avi changed to my st pattys day one....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 15, 2009, 12:12:49 AM
Purely IMO older age I have concerns about you guys putting your pictures in the avatars. Remember SM can be read by the public and they do have the internet in prisons. Gads, with that, I'll say goodni ::MonkeyCool::ght


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 15, 2009, 12:15:07 AM
It appears that Haleigh's father did not get jail time for the possession of all those hard-core drugs.  Sooooo.. Could he have turned in whoever was supplying him?  And if that's true, could that person have been doing time these past 6-7 years, got out, perhaps taking Haleigh as revenge? 



I mentioned earlier that he seems to have gotten off easy....I had his records on one page all the way thru 2008. I wonder if he snitched on someone. He seems to just keep getting off and I also noticed when I looked thru his records that it was always the same judge (in those I dared look into).

Remember I have no friends, and no emenies-or something like that.

Yeppers!!  And if he did snitch, he's got plenty of enemies.  Criminal types have their own set of ethics and loyalties.  A snitch is considered one of the worst to them. 


Of if, I hear or have read somewhere, if you don't pay your drug bill they will come after your family.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 15, 2009, 12:19:27 AM
Wyks, this is why I wondered from the get-go if this was a revenge act. The LE seem so focused on this being a true abduction, I have been wondering if there had been threats and Ronald and/or Misty disclosed that to LE from the beginning? That would explain why the poly's were done so quickly for Ronald and Misty, but less a sense of urgency for the bio mother.......

I also wonder if Misty has some form of a developmental disorder? Also, she's a minor so if she's had arrests then those records will be under lock and key.

Bottom line, it's unlikely Ronald earns enough as a crane operator alone to pay for daytime child care either, Misty may well have been a means to that end for Ronald too. None of this is an ideal or pretty picture but then real life for teenage parents often isn't a pretty picture.


The crane operators where my dad works make almost 100m a yr....

Also, I don't think anyone except dad and gf have even taken polygraphs. If I am wrong, someone pls let me know. I wondered about the snitch part when I saw his lengthy record and only probation I also wonder if Misty knows more than she is telling because she is afraid of him, maybe something like she's had people over when he was at work, etc. Even the smallest detail could break this case and it needs to be broken ASAP for Haleigh.

Do you mean $100,000.00 per year? In a larger urban area within a large construction company, yes I could believe that. If Ronald did earn that then I don't expect they would be living where they do.

I did point out that only Misty the girlfriend and Ronald the father, were the only ones to date to complete a polygraph within my post.

Saving to buy a home?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 12:21:47 AM
Purely IMO older age I have concerns about you guys putting your pictures in the avatars. Remember SM can be read by the public and they do have the internet in prisons. Gads, with that, I'll say goodni ::MonkeyCool::ght
I know you are right,  I have already changed mine back, was just showing someone something but its back to the kitty's for me now!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 15, 2009, 12:24:06 AM
In case we don't have all the who's who in this case... here's another list, am still filling in info on some:

========

MOTHER

Mother of Haleigh is Crystal Diane Sheffield – age 24

Crystal's mother is: Nancy Marie Griffis – age 43 (second marriage to Bruce A. Griffis in 2002 in Putnum County, Florida)

Crystal's father is: Johnny Marcus Sheffield – age 46 – Satsuma and MacClenny

Crystal's siblings are: Sarah Lavon, Marcus, Savannah

Crystal's step-mother (married to her father): Connie Sheffield - age 29?

Crystal's step-father (married to her mother): Bruce A. Griffis – age 46 – Glen St. Mary, Lake City, Sanderson, Lawstoy

Crystal's boyfriend/fiance: Chad Griffis – age 29 (may be son of step-father or step-uncle)

Griffis relatives: Victor Griffis – age 52; Deborah Lynn – age 48; Jill – age 25

FATHER

Father of Haleigh is Ronald Cummings – age 25

Ronald's father: Jack Cummings

Ronald's mother: Theresa Neves

Ronald's girlfriend: Misty Croslin

FATHER'S GIRLFRIEND

Misty Croslin – age 17

Misty's father: Hank Thomas Croslin – age 40

Misty's mother: Lisa Croslin – age 39

Misty's siblings: Lindsey and Chelsea

Misty's father’s occupation: owns T&T Drywall Company – Hank Croslin, Inc.

Misty's father’s relatives: Chester Leon – age 44; Adam Troy – age 43;
June Marie – age 63; Timothy A. – age 21 (this could be Misty's older brother); Michael – (no age given)



Corrections from my notes to your list of who's who:

"Mother of Haleigh is Crystal Diane Sheffield – age 24 .... "

According to my notes, she is 23, born on 8-30-1985:
Crystal Sheffield, 23, mother. Was at her home when Haleigh disappeared.
Currently lives in Glen Saint Mary, Florida.

In addition to yours, I also have:
Andrew Sheffield, uncle of Crystal Sheffield.
Sarah Sheffield, sister, 21 years old. MACCLENNY, Florida

Crystals children are:
Haleigh Ann Marie Sheffield, 5, (DOB: 8-15-2003)
Ronald (Junior) Cummings (aka butterbean) 4, brother of Haleigh. (DOB: 2-14-2005)
Chloe, 9 months as of Jan.15, 2009

Aunts: Katrina Belcher, Dana

For Ronald's side of the family, I have:

Ronald Lemyles Cummings, 25, father. DOB: 10-19-1983.

Crystal Cummings, Ronald's sister, aunt to Haleigh.

Teresa Ann Never, 48, Ronald's mother, grandmother of Haleigh, Alachua County SO Dispatcher. DOB: 3-7-1960.

That's all I can offer from my notes at this time.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 15, 2009, 12:24:14 AM
Behind the Scenes at Satsuma, Florida


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_XnjFbLEA)

::MonkeyEek:: OMG~ LP is on that video stating he think that Haleigh is alive and the gf knows where she is, that she has her with some friends ::MonkeyRoll::
Ye Island I listened to that and LP needs to stop with that crap, first of all no way would the girl friend need to take the child, she already was with her day in and day out, and I doubt any of her friends would want a five year old either, thats just crazy,   LP also thought he could find Caylee to but guess what nope, didnt work....I have been researching alot on this case and I think someone did come in and take the child it could be someone the family's knows or it could be a stranger but someone did come in and take her, and the story will surfice pretty soon, Im sure of that,,,,

I think if someone did come in, I agree it would be someone the family knows...........stranger abductions are from a home are more rare although they do happen, it's usually someone the family know. I know about Polly K, Elizabeth S etc., but those are the exception to the rule when it comes to taking someone from their home.

You have nanners ::MonkeyTongue::

In the Atlanta child murders I believe he came and took a child right from a bed where someone was sleeping in the other bed.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 12:33:57 AM
In case we don't have all the who's who in this case... here's another list, am still filling in info on some:

========

MOTHER

Mother of Haleigh is Crystal Diane Sheffield – age 24

Crystal's mother is: Nancy Marie Griffis – age 43 (second marriage to Bruce A. Griffis in 2002 in Putnum County, Florida)

Crystal's father is: Johnny Marcus Sheffield – age 46 – Satsuma and MacClenny

Crystal's siblings are: Sarah Lavon, Marcus, Savannah

Crystal's step-mother (married to her father): Connie Sheffield - age 29?

Crystal's step-father (married to her mother): Bruce A. Griffis – age 46 – Glen St. Mary, Lake City, Sanderson, Lawstoy

Crystal's boyfriend/fiance: Chad Griffis – age 29 (may be son of step-father or step-uncle)

Griffis relatives: Victor Griffis – age 52; Deborah Lynn – age 48; Jill – age 25

FATHER

Father of Haleigh is Ronald Cummings – age 25

Ronald's father: Jack Cummings

Ronald's mother: Theresa Neves

Ronald's girlfriend: Misty Croslin

FATHER'S GIRLFRIEND

Misty Croslin – age 17

Misty's father: Hank Thomas Croslin – age 40

Misty's mother: Lisa Croslin – age 39

Misty's siblings: Lindsey and Chelsea

Misty's father’s occupation: owns T&T Drywall Company – Hank Croslin, Inc.

Misty's father’s relatives: Chester Leon – age 44; Adam Troy – age 43;
June Marie – age 63; Timothy A. – age 21 (this could be Misty's older brother); Michael – (no age given)



Corrections from my notes to your list of who's who:

"Mother of Haleigh is Crystal Diane Sheffield – age 24 .... "

According to my notes, she is 23, born on 8-30-1985:
Crystal Sheffield, 23, mother. Was at her home when Haleigh disappeared.
Currently lives in Glen Saint Mary, Florida.

In addition to yours, I also have:
Andrew Sheffield, uncle of Crystal Sheffield.
Sarah Sheffield, sister, 21 years old. MACCLENNY, Florida

Crystals children are:
Haleigh Ann Marie Sheffield, 5, (DOB: 8-15-2003)
Ronald (Junior) Cummings (aka butterbean) 4, brother of Haleigh. (DOB: 2-14-2005)
Chloe, 9 months as of Jan.15, 2009

Aunts: Katrina Belcher, Dana

For Ronald's side of the family, I have:

Ronald Lemyles Cummings, 25, father. DOB: 10-19-1983.

Crystal Cummings, Ronald's sister, aunt to Haleigh.

Teresa Ann Never, 48, Ronald's mother, grandmother of Haleigh, Alachua County SO Dispatcher. DOB: 3-7-1960.

That's all I can offer from my notes at this time.




Ahhhh good, thanks Brandi!  As usual, a who's who list is a work in progress.   ::MonkeyWink::  It would be good to gather all the info we come up with into one long list somewhere and edit as corrections and additional info is found. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 15, 2009, 12:40:42 AM
Wyks:

Yes, my list has been a work in progress, and that is why I have not posted it anywhere yet.

Too may inconsistencies by reporters in the MSM.

I also have been keeping track of a timeline here.

I had hoped that none of this would be necessary, but am afraid it will be, if you catch my drift.

I am not feeling too hopeful for a happy ending at this point in time.
 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 12:40:57 AM
IslandMonkey:
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bump.............klaas was kind enough to turn the PDF into something actually readable.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 15, 2009, 12:47:42 AM
I lost my post.

Was replying to the post to believe the children at the younger age for they don't lie.

Personally, I agree with that; however in a preschool years ago in Manhattan Beach CA the children did lie, if I remember correctly. Ruined many lives.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 15, 2009, 12:48:55 AM
Has anyone heard anything as to what specifically made the Haleigh family ask George and KFN to leave?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 15, 2009, 12:50:20 AM
IslandMonkey:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

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bump.............klaas was kind enough to turn the PDF into something actually readable.

Perhaps this can go here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg672508#msg672508

That is a good thread for information on the case.

;-)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 15, 2009, 12:56:15 AM
Has anyone heard anything as to what specifically made the Haleigh family ask George and KFN to leave?

I think this is all scuttlebutt ... I have not read this in the news, myself. I have asked where George is now, and not gotten a reply yet.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 12:56:57 AM
   ::MonkeyConfused::   Ok, I am so sick of these inconsistencies...Notice in the incident report that Misty states she woke just before 3am...........then she tells LE that she noticed Haliegh was missing about 5 minutes before daddy comes come around 3:27, so either she didn't notice she was missing until 3:22, because if she knew she was missing at 3:00 am, she'd have been on the phone with LE at that time. Am I making sense ::MonkeyTongue:: I mean it can't be both, it has to be one OR the other regarding her noticing the child missing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2009, 12:58:11 AM
Purely IMO older age I have concerns about you guys putting your pictures in the avatars. Remember SM can be read by the public and they do have the internet in prisons. Gads, with that, I'll say goodni ::MonkeyCool::ght

Nite IBE


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2009, 12:59:54 AM
Brandi - I created a thread for Police Reports in the case and that's where I put it  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 15, 2009, 01:01:08 AM
   ::MonkeyConfused::   Ok, I am so sick of these inconsistencies...Notice in the incident report that Misty states she woke just before 3am...........then she tells LE that she noticed Haliegh was missing about 5 minutes before daddy comes come around 3:27, so either she didn't notice she was missing until 3:22, because if she knew she was missing at 3:00 am, she'd have been on the phone with LE at that time. Am I making sense ::MonkeyTongue:: I mean it can't be both, it has to be one OR the other regarding her noticing the child missing.

These "little" things are really important..but they seem to having trouble keeping it straight.

In one interview that I heard..Misty said...I saw 3 o'clock...could have been 3 something..she saw the 3.  (not word for word)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 15, 2009, 01:05:24 AM
Has anyone heard anything as to what specifically made the Haleigh family ask George and KFN to leave?

I think this is all scuttlebutt ... I have not read this in the news, myself. I have asked where George is now, and not gotten a reply yet.



Thanks for replying to my question.

The only thing that made me believe it was true is the Presser w/Conway saying George is now "working behind the scenes" since his presence may take the focus off of Haleigh.  So you know my mind has been working overtime trying to figure scenarios of what he or Dennis may have said to insult these poor people.  Anyway, if this is true, I am glad as I think they only want to victimize people who are victims already.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 01:05:58 AM
   ::MonkeyConfused::   Ok, I am so sick of these inconsistencies...Notice in the incident report that Misty states she woke just before 3am...........then she tells LE that she noticed Haliegh was missing about 5 minutes before daddy comes come around 3:27, so either she didn't notice she was missing until 3:22, because if she knew she was missing at 3:00 am, she'd have been on the phone with LE at that time. Am I making sense ::MonkeyTongue:: I mean it can't be both, it has to be one OR the other regarding her noticing the child missing.

These "little" things are really important..but they seem to having trouble keeping it straight.

In one interview that I heard..Misty said...I saw 3 o'clock...could have been 3 something..she saw the 3.  (not word for word)

I heard that one too.......but, in the police report she says BEFORE 3. I'm ramming my head against the wall with all these discrepancies.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 01:09:16 AM
Brandi - I created a thread for Police Reports in the case and that's where I put it  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas~I stumbled upon that around 3am today and was clueless where to post it except on the main thread.


Did you hear LP on the video state that the child is alive he believes and that the gf knows who has her, and that she is with gf's friends..............hmmm, I quess if you claim that on EVERY freaking case maybe one day it will be true. I just LMAO personally because that was exactly what he thought about Caylee ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 01:11:05 AM
Hmmm.. over on the 'other' site, it's been found out that the gf's brother who has 2 young boys (and baby daughter) lives in the same trailer park, at:

116 Tyler St
Satsuma

which evidently is on the street just behind theirs, and about 2 minutes walking time.  here's a map:

http://tinyurl.com/aucw7h (http://tinyurl.com/aucw7h)






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 15, 2009, 01:11:33 AM
   ::MonkeyConfused::   Ok, I am so sick of these inconsistencies...Notice in the incident report that Misty states she woke just before 3am...........then she tells LE that she noticed Haliegh was missing about 5 minutes before daddy comes come around 3:27, so either she didn't notice she was missing until 3:22, because if she knew she was missing at 3:00 am, she'd have been on the phone with LE at that time. Am I making sense ::MonkeyTongue:: I mean it can't be both, it has to be one OR the other regarding her noticing the child missing.

Yeah ... there are problems here, IMO.

I think there are problems here because perhaps Misty left the kids alone in the mobile home for a while and came back to find Haleigh missing.

Each day that passes makes me think this is more probable.

For so many reasons.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 15, 2009, 01:12:31 AM
   ::MonkeyConfused::   Ok, I am so sick of these inconsistencies...Notice in the incident report that Misty states she woke just before 3am...........then she tells LE that she noticed Haliegh was missing about 5 minutes before daddy comes come around 3:27, so either she didn't notice she was missing until 3:22, because if she knew she was missing at 3:00 am, she'd have been on the phone with LE at that time. Am I making sense ::MonkeyTongue:: I mean it can't be both, it has to be one OR the other regarding her noticing the child missing.

These "little" things are really important..but they seem to having trouble keeping it straight.

In one interview that I heard..Misty said...I saw 3 o'clock...could have been 3 something..she saw the 3.  (not word for word)

I heard that one too.......but, in the police report she says BEFORE 3. I'm ramming my head against the wall with all these discrepancies.

You do have your helmet on I hope? ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 15, 2009, 01:13:05 AM
Brandi - I created a thread for Police Reports in the case and that's where I put it  ::MonkeyWink::

Cool!

(So many threads, so little time)  LOL

But I guess I will make more time.

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 15, 2009, 01:13:53 AM
I also lost the post I was going to reply to about Search and Rescue teams not allowed to come in and help, also CERT training, which I have taken is nothing like the work Tim Miller does. I had the honor of riding with the Donna Jou family and Tim to show the places of interest.

When we got up to the park that overlooks the Westside of LA and has oil wells, he had the most sincere look in his eyes toward the oil wells. I didn't know then, that his daughter had been found in an oil field. This man's mind takes in everything.

anyway, The post was saying the whys and why nots of LE not wanting SAR's to come in. If you really want to know something, that I think was very bad, IMO, was the response of LE LAPD regards to TES. 

Donna Jou's father had requested Tim Miller and TES to come to Los Angeles (the Palms part of the Westside of LA) to search for his daughter.

I was on the phone with Tim the night that Tim rec'd the word from LAPD of not allowing him to come... it's in the Donna Jou Thread under Missing Persons... reasons given that Tim told me is that LAPD told him that there are many, many already trained SAR in CA, the area is just full of homes and apartments and really no vacant land where someone could be made to disappear (my words here for I don't remember the exact words but they probably are in the SM Thread as Tim gave me permission to post them on SM). I think traffic and security was also given.

This t'd me off and I took pictures of places around the person of interest's home where of vacant lots, vacant buildings all within less than a mile of where Donna, as far as anyone knows supposedly, was last see.

I even found the Elks in a "nearby" city that welcomed TES to use their large parking lot as a command center. Guess what? Donna has never been found.

It sounds as if I am tooting my own horn. Don't aim to. Just pointing out that if I had known then what I know now I would have taken it more to the media. This is the reason why SM is so important. Getting the news out and questioning.

but then again,  LA and Orange County where she lived rely on the tourist $$ so wonder if they would have covered it.

Monkeys keep up the Good Work!

PS the person of interest is in prison but will get out next month. He was sentences because he was an unregistered sex offender.

If you run sex offenders in cities in CA on the ca.gov site you will find many check marks next to their pictures and last address.. meaning they haven't registered and it is not known where they are. Go figure.

If any Monkeys go missing, we call Tim!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 15, 2009, 01:17:42 AM
Hmmm.. over on the 'other' site, it's been found out that the gf's brother who has 2 young boys (and baby daughter) lives in the same trailer park, at:

116 Tyler St
Satsuma

which evidently is on the street just behind theirs, and about 2 minutes walking time.  here's a map:

http://tinyurl.com/aucw7h (http://tinyurl.com/aucw7h)

There is a brother also now?

Got a name?

In the who's who, so far we have:

Her siblings: Lindsey and Chelsea


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 01:21:22 AM
   ::MonkeyConfused::   Ok, I am so sick of these inconsistencies...Notice in the incident report that Misty states she woke just before 3am...........then she tells LE that she noticed Haliegh was missing about 5 minutes before daddy comes come around 3:27, so either she didn't notice she was missing until 3:22, because if she knew she was missing at 3:00 am, she'd have been on the phone with LE at that time. Am I making sense ::MonkeyTongue:: I mean it can't be both, it has to be one OR the other regarding her noticing the child missing.

These "little" things are really important..but they seem to having trouble keeping it straight.

In one interview that I heard..Misty said...I saw 3 o'clock...could have been 3 something..she saw the 3.  (not word for word)

I heard that one too.......but, in the police report she says BEFORE 3. I'm ramming my head against the wall with all these discrepancies.

You do have your helmet on I hope? ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

No, but I'm so drain bamaged anyway from the Caylee case that it probably wouldn't matter anymore.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 15, 2009, 01:23:55 AM
O/T Klaas, I went over to the Donna Jou SM thread. Haven't been there for awhile. There is a question from NM there that only you and/or Dugga could answer.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 01:25:13 AM
*sorry if this is a repeat*

Here's more from Tim that I hadn't read yet... (in the bolded parts below).. very interesting, IMO, the underlined part.

----

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131233&catid=17 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131233&catid=17)

Created: 2/13/2009 7:58:00 AM    Updated: 2/13/2009 1:07:42 PM

SATSUMA, FL -- Sheriff's deputies and volunteers are now out combing every square inch around the home of Haleigh Cummings, the five-year-old girl who has not been seen since Monday evening.

Law enforcement officers from more than two dozen agencies have gathered at the command center in the small town of Satsuma to lead the search efforts. So far, 80-90 corrections officers are there to help.

For the first time residents will be able to join in the ground search.

Texas EquuSearch is coordinating the volunteer effort. People have already started to arrive in front of the neighborhood where Haleigh's family lives.

Tim Miller, Founder/Director of the search group, told reporters Friday he has 30 - 40 people from his group in Satsuma. He is expecting a lot of Putnam County residents to show up.

In a 10:30 update Friday, Sheriff Jeff Hardy said there were over 100 volunteers involved in the search.

Volunteers have also shown up with ATVs, and one person brought a mule to ride through the thick brush.

"My mule and I can go anywhere...point us in the right direction," says Clyde the mule's owner, Marilyn Whitford. "This is as important as it gets...if I can help an itty bitty little bit, I'm there."

Miller said he is optimistic. He said the determination is right and the hearts are right. He hopes he has a little luck.

Miller told First Coast News that volunteers will have their eyes on a specific area. He wouldn't say where that is because he doesn't want to jeopardize the investigation, but investigators have been very busy in the woods within yards of Haleigh's home.

Miller says volunteers will know where to go just before they head out. Miller says the overall search will focus on a five mile radius around Haleigh's home.


William Davis from Clay County is a certified diver. He says he took off from work and joined the search because he has three children of his own. "I'd want somebody out here putting feet on the ground for my children too," he says.

Volunteers should wear long pants, a long-sleeved shirt and good walking shoes. You have to be at least 18 to take part in the ground search. Pets are not allowed. It is also not a bad idea to bring a sack lunch, insect repellant and sun screen.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 15, 2009, 01:27:49 AM
I also lost the post I was going to reply to about Search and Rescue teams not allowed to come in and help, also CERT training, which I have taken is nothing like the work Tim Miller does. I had the honor of riding with the Donna Jou family and Tim to show the places of interest.

When we got up to the park that overlooks the Westside of LA and has oil wells, he had the most sincere look in his eyes toward the oil wells. I didn't know then, that his daughter had been found in an oil field. This man's mind takes in everything.

anyway, The post was saying the whys and why nots of LE not wanting SAR's to come in. If you really want to know something, that I think was very bad, IMO, was the response of LE LAPD regards to TES. 

Donna Jou's father had requested Tim Miller and TES to come to Los Angeles (the Palms part of the Westside of LA) to search for his daughter.

I was on the phone with Tim the night that Tim rec'd the word from LAPD of not allowing him to come... it's in the Donna Jou Thread under Missing Persons... reasons given that Tim told me is that LAPD told him that there are many, many already trained SAR in CA, the area is just full of homes and apartments and really no vacant land where someone could be made to disappear (my words here for I don't remember the exact words but they probably are in the SM Thread as Tim gave me permission to post them on SM). I think traffic and security was also given.

This t'd me off and I took pictures of places around the person of interest's home where of vacant lots, vacant buildings all within less than a mile of where Donna, as far as anyone knows supposedly, was last see.

I even found the Elks in a "nearby" city that welcomed TES to use their large parking lot as a command center. Guess what? Donna has never been found.

It sounds as if I am tooting my own horn. Don't aim to. Just pointing out that if I had known then what I know now I would have taken it more to the media. This is the reason why SM is so important. Getting the news out and questioning.

but then again,  LA and Orange County where she lived rely on the tourist $$ so wonder if they would have covered it.

Monkeys keep up the Good Work!

PS the person of interest is in prison but will get out next month. He was sentences because he was an unregistered sex offender.

If you run sex offenders in cities in CA on the ca.gov site you will find many check marks next to their pictures and last address.. meaning they haven't registered and it is not known where they are. Go figure.
If any Monkeys go missing, we call Tim!!

Thank you for posting this IBE.  What do you think is their motive for that?  I think the locals used to hate calling in the FBI because the FBI would take the "credit", but the laws changed that the FBI was supposed to be called in for children (took their option of calling, not calling away)...not adults unless it is across state line...am I correct?

What really disturbs me is what I high lighted about the "missing" perverts.  Do you know if there are any "laws" to hold communities accountable for keeping track of their perverts?  Maybe that is a loophole that needs attention?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 01:28:01 AM
Hmmm.. over on the 'other' site, it's been found out that the gf's brother who has 2 young boys (and baby daughter) lives in the same trailer park, at:

116 Tyler St
Satsuma

which evidently is on the street just behind theirs, and about 2 minutes walking time.  here's a map:

http://tinyurl.com/aucw7h (http://tinyurl.com/aucw7h)

There is a brother also now?

Got a name?

In the who's who, so far we have:

Her siblings: Lindsey and Chelsea

This is all I know of so far:

Misty's father’s relatives: Chester Leon – age 44; Adam Troy – age 43;
June Marie – age 63; Timothy A. – age 21 (this could be Misty's older brother); Michael – (no age given)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 15, 2009, 01:28:32 AM
Hmmm.. over on the 'other' site, it's been found out that the gf's brother who has 2 young boys (and baby daughter) lives in the same trailer park, at:

116 Tyler St
Satsuma

which evidently is on the street just behind theirs, and about 2 minutes walking time.  here's a map:

http://tinyurl.com/aucw7h (http://tinyurl.com/aucw7h)

There is a brother also now?

Got a name?

In the who's who, so far we have:

Her siblings: Lindsey and Chelsea

it's timothy, either lindsey or chelsea is his wife, see their websites in maps n pic's.  he looks just like misty to and has her pic on his site as lil sis.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 15, 2009, 01:30:08 AM
Timothy Croslin’s myspace (Misty’s Brother) http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=102176131


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 15, 2009, 01:33:27 AM
*sorry if this is a repeat*

Here's more from Tim that I hadn't read yet... (in the bolded parts below).. very interesting, IMO, the underlined part.

----

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131233&catid=17 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131233&catid=17)

Created: 2/13/2009 7:58:00 AM    Updated: 2/13/2009 1:07:42 PM

SATSUMA, FL -- Sheriff's deputies and volunteers are now out combing every square inch around the home of Haleigh Cummings, the five-year-old girl who has not been seen since Monday evening.

Law enforcement officers from more than two dozen agencies have gathered at the command center in the small town of Satsuma to lead the search efforts. So far, 80-90 corrections officers are there to help.

For the first time residents will be able to join in the ground search.

Texas EquuSearch is coordinating the volunteer effort. People have already started to arrive in front of the neighborhood where Haleigh's family lives.

Tim Miller, Founder/Director of the search group, told reporters Friday he has 30 - 40 people from his group in Satsuma. He is expecting a lot of Putnam County residents to show up.

In a 10:30 update Friday, Sheriff Jeff Hardy said there were over 100 volunteers involved in the search.

Volunteers have also shown up with ATVs, and one person brought a mule to ride through the thick brush.

"My mule and I can go anywhere...point us in the right direction," says Clyde the mule's owner, Marilyn Whitford. "This is as important as it gets...if I can help an itty bitty little bit, I'm there."

Miller said he is optimistic. He said the determination is right and the hearts are right. He hopes he has a little luck.

Miller told First Coast News that volunteers will have their eyes on a specific area. He wouldn't say where that is because he doesn't want to jeopardize the investigation, but investigators have been very busy in the woods within yards of Haleigh's home.

Miller says volunteers will know where to go just before they head out. Miller says the overall search will focus on a five mile radius around Haleigh's home.


William Davis from Clay County is a certified diver. He says he took off from work and joined the search because he has three children of his own. "I'd want somebody out here putting feet on the ground for my children too," he says.

Volunteers should wear long pants, a long-sleeved shirt and good walking shoes. You have to be at least 18 to take part in the ground search. Pets are not allowed. It is also not a bad idea to bring a sack lunch, insect repellant and sun screen.



Thanks Wyks...hadn't seen that either.  Hopefully their items of interest that they reported to not be items of interest...were indeed intems of interest.  All the doublespeak and inconsistencies are mind boggling..maybe I will join IM in the the head-banging.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2009, 01:33:33 AM
Brandi - I created a thread for Police Reports in the case and that's where I put it  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas~I stumbled upon that around 3am today and was clueless where to post it except on the main thread.


Did you hear LP on the video state that the child is alive he believes and that the gf knows who has her, and that she is with gf's friends..............hmmm, I quess if you claim that on EVERY freaking case maybe one day it will be true. I just LMAO personally because that was exactly what he thought about Caylee ::MonkeyRoll::

I hope LP is right  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 01:36:35 AM
Hmmm.. over on the 'other' site, it's been found out that the gf's brother who has 2 young boys (and baby daughter) lives in the same trailer park, at:

116 Tyler St
Satsuma

which evidently is on the street just behind theirs, and about 2 minutes walking time.  here's a map:

http://tinyurl.com/aucw7h (http://tinyurl.com/aucw7h)

There is a brother also now?

Got a name?

In the who's who, so far we have:

Her siblings: Lindsey and Chelsea

This is all I know of so far:

Misty's father’s relatives: Chester Leon – age 44; Adam Troy – age 43;
June Marie – age 63; Timothy A. – age 21 (this could be Misty's older brother); Michael – (no age given)


Aha!  Here we go: 

Misty's brother (the one who lives in a trailer on the street behind theirs) is
Hank Thomas Jr., and goes by the name Tommy. 

Then she also has another older brother who has two children of his own. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 15, 2009, 01:42:08 AM
   ::MonkeyConfused::   Ok, I am so sick of these inconsistencies...Notice in the incident report that Misty states she woke just before 3am...........then she tells LE that she noticed Haliegh was missing about 5 minutes before daddy comes come around 3:27, so either she didn't notice she was missing until 3:22, because if she knew she was missing at 3:00 am, she'd have been on the phone with LE at that time. Am I making sense ::MonkeyTongue:: I mean it can't be both, it has to be one OR the other regarding her noticing the child missing.

These "little" things are really important..but they seem to having trouble keeping it straight.

In one interview that I heard..Misty said...I saw 3 o'clock...could have been 3 something..she saw the 3.  (not word for word)

I heard that one too.......but, in the police report she says BEFORE 3. I'm ramming my head against the wall with all these discrepancies.

I remember a few days ago while watching JVM, the sheriff even gave her a pass for her inconsistencies and I thought that was odd.  A local reporter in the area was talking to JVM and there were already a few inconsistencies from Misty early on which the reporter said she asked the sheriff about.  He was dismissive, saying something like you have to remember you're dealing with a 17 yr old here.   

That struck me as odd cause although the whole situation would be stressful if you're completely innocent, when my kids were 17 they might have been immature but certainly could have kept a straight story.  Maybe she's immature, maybe she's got some problems, but sure smells funny to me.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 01:42:33 AM

Thanks Wyks...hadn't seen that either.  Hopefully their items of interest that they reported to not be items of interest...were indeed intems of interest.  All the doublespeak and inconsistencies are mind boggling..maybe I will join IM in the the head-banging.

You're welcome BluesyGram!  I'm hoping they were indeed as well.  Could be that LE may just have put it out there like that.  Who knows ...  ::MonkeyConfused::  lol


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 15, 2009, 01:43:28 AM
Brandi - I created a thread for Police Reports in the case and that's where I put it  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas~I stumbled upon that around 3am today and was clueless where to post it except on the main thread.


Did you hear LP on the video state that the child is alive he believes and that the gf knows who has her, and that she is with gf's friends..............hmmm, I quess if you claim that on EVERY freaking case maybe one day it will be true. I just LMAO personally because that was exactly what he thought about Caylee ::MonkeyRoll::

I hope LP is right  ::MonkeyCool::

I think LP may be the Pollyanna of the Bounty Hunters.  Geez, I thought I have met some Optimists...but he takes the cake.  Wonder if in his circle of friends or experiences  people just take their own or someone else's kid and hides them from one another?  Never heard of that in my lifetime.  But I have heard of a lot of other scenarios.  But I agree Klaas..I hope he is right this time.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 01:46:19 AM
Seems we have the gf's brothers and brothers-in-law coming outta the woodwork.   ::MonkeyDance::  LOL  Thanks for the additional info, y'all! 

Now.. considering the one who lives just behind and 2 minutes walking distance away.  Does anyone think it possible that the gf slipped thru the woods (or grass, whatever) and ran over to see her brother for a bit, propping the screen door open while she was gone?   ::MonkeyEek::





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 15, 2009, 01:50:58 AM
Seems we have the gf's brothers and brothers-in-law coming outta the woodwork.   ::MonkeyDance::  LOL  Thanks for the additional info, y'all! 

Now.. considering the one who lives just behind and 2 minutes walking distance away.  Does anyone think it possible that the gf slipped thru the woods (or grass, whatever) and ran over to see her brother for a bit, propping the screen door open while she was gone?   ::MonkeyEek::


Am I not following what you're saying, Wyks?   I would think she would do the opposite if she was going to sneak out to visit anyone while she was gone ...   close everything up as tight as she could whether she had a key or not, to make sure the kids couldn't get out.  Why would she prop the door open?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 02:12:16 AM
Seems we have the gf's brothers and brothers-in-law coming outta the woodwork.   ::MonkeyDance::  LOL  Thanks for the additional info, y'all! 

Now.. considering the one who lives just behind and 2 minutes walking distance away.  Does anyone think it possible that the gf slipped thru the woods (or grass, whatever) and ran over to see her brother for a bit, propping the screen door open while she was gone?   ::MonkeyEek::


Am I not following what you're saying, Wyks?   I would think she would do the opposite if she was going to sneak out to visit anyone while she was gone ...   close everything up as tight as she could whether she had a key or not, to make sure the kids couldn't get out.  Why would she prop the door open?



Not sure, except that I've heard that screen doors on trailers such as that make a lot of noise on closing.  I was thinking so it wouldn't wake the kids.  What you said makes more sense tho. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: annettef49 on February 15, 2009, 02:14:15 AM
maybe she propped the door open so to be sure she could get back in when she returned, thinking one of the kids could lock her out of the house and how would she explain that to the kids Dad when he got home from work.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 02:32:32 AM
maybe she propped the door open so to be sure she could get back in when she returned, thinking one of the kids could lock her out of the house and how would she explain that to the kids Dad when he got home from work.

That would be a bit hard to explain.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 15, 2009, 02:34:11 AM
i dont know, the propped open screen door is peripheral to me. the main door being open tho, when both the dad and gf said it is always locked(its a dead bolt), is the real question mark to me. le has stated that there are no signs of it being tampered with, so who unlocked and left it open? there have been no reports of any other signs of a break in either, so how would an intruder enter?

if the gf went out and left that door unlocked and someone else entered and took haleigh, how would they know that the door would be left unlocked on that specific night? if we assume she made a habit of going out at night and leaving it unlocked, who else would know that? i highly doubt it would be something she would share, and if she had why wouldnt have it happened sooner?

i pray this case will have a positive outcome and haleigh will be found alive and well. i just feel that given the first 72 hours have passed, and since those are the key hours according to the fbi and le, that something horrible has happened to her and that it is most likely at the hands of someone she knew.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 15, 2009, 02:34:42 AM
maybe she propped the door open so to be sure she could get back in when she returned, thinking one of the kids could lock her out of the house and how would she explain that to the kids Dad when he got home from work.

Yup!

I agree. Could have propped it open to get back in.

But I still am thinking she just left it unlocked when she left the abode, in order to get back in, and a bad person took advantage of that. Then he/she propped it open in order to get in and out quickly and quietly.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Desdemona on February 15, 2009, 02:41:22 AM
maybe she propped the door open so to be sure she could get back in when she returned, thinking one of the kids could lock her out of the house and how would she explain that to the kids Dad when he got home from work.

Yup!

I agree. Could have propped it open to get back in.

But I still am thinking she just left it unlocked when she left the abode, in order to get back in, and a bad person took advantage of that. Then he/she propped it open in order to get in and out quickly and quietly.



*whispering* *O/T:*

Brandi, found you!  Saw your post in Caylee thread re my avi -- I had already mentioned the problem to you in your avi thread (lol) -- http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.msg674305#msg674305 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.msg674305#msg674305)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Desdemona on February 15, 2009, 03:10:05 AM
i dont know, the propped open screen door is peripheral to me. the main door being open tho, when both the dad and gf said it is always locked(its a dead bolt), is the real question mark to me. le has stated that there are no signs of it being tampered with, so who unlocked and left it open? there have been no reports of any other signs of a break in either, so how would an intruder enter?

if the gf went out and left that door unlocked and someone else entered and took haleigh, how would they know that the door would be left unlocked on that specific night? if we assume she made a habit of going out at night and leaving it unlocked, who else would know that? i highly doubt it would be something she would share, and if she had why wouldnt have it happened sooner?

i pray this case will have a positive outcome and haleigh will be found alive and well. i just feel that given the first 72 hours have passed, and since those are the key hours according to the fbi and le, that something horrible has happened to her and that it is most likely at the hands of someone she knew.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Hi Peanut!  It's always so good to see you my friend.   :smt006

Desi is very sleepy and getting ready to go night-night.  I'm on my knees right next to ya with the prayer, but unfortunately have to agree about the apparent outcome here.  Another beautiful child seems to be gone from the face of the earth.  So sad!

You feeling any better yet?




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 03:22:34 AM
   ::MonkeyConfused::   Ok, I am so sick of these inconsistencies...Notice in the incident report that Misty states she woke just before 3am...........then she tells LE that she noticed Haliegh was missing about 5 minutes before daddy comes come around 3:27, so either she didn't notice she was missing until 3:22, because if she knew she was missing at 3:00 am, she'd have been on the phone with LE at that time. Am I making sense ::MonkeyTongue:: I mean it can't be both, it has to be one OR the other regarding her noticing the child missing.

These "little" things are really important..but they seem to having trouble keeping it straight.

In one interview that I heard..Misty said...I saw 3 o'clock...could have been 3 something..she saw the 3.  (not word for word)

I heard that one too.......but, in the police report she says BEFORE 3. I'm ramming my head against the wall with all these discrepancies.

You do have your helmet on I hope? ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I have mine on....   ::MonkeyDance::  I know you were not talking to me,but just wanted to say, I keep mine on.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 15, 2009, 03:35:01 AM
i dont know, the propped open screen door is peripheral to me. the main door being open tho, when both the dad and gf said it is always locked(its a dead bolt), is the real question mark to me. le has stated that there are no signs of it being tampered with, so who unlocked and left it open? there have been no reports of any other signs of a break in either, so how would an intruder enter?

if the gf went out and left that door unlocked and someone else entered and took haleigh, how would they know that the door would be left unlocked on that specific night? if we assume she made a habit of going out at night and leaving it unlocked, who else would know that? i highly doubt it would be something she would share, and if she had why wouldnt have it happened sooner?

i pray this case will have a positive outcome and haleigh will be found alive and well. i just feel that given the first 72 hours have passed, and since those are the key hours according to the fbi and le, that something horrible has happened to her and that it is most likely at the hands of someone she knew.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Hi Peanut!  It's always so good to see you my friend.   :smt006

Desi is very sleepy and getting ready to go night-night.  I'm on my knees right next to ya with the prayer, but unfortunately have to agree about the apparent outcome here.  Another beautiful child seems to be gone from the face of the earth.  So sad!

You feeling any better yet?




aw its always good to see you too desi! *huggers*

ya im on the road to recovery thank you, just have an awful sounding cough still. i hope youre ok too, and that ive caught you before youve hit the hay so i can say sweet dreams.

im extremely sad about this and i wish i didnt feel this way, but from whats been released so far it just doesnt sound good. wherever she is, may god watch over her and hold her close.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 15, 2009, 03:37:20 AM
   ::MonkeyConfused::   Ok, I am so sick of these inconsistencies...Notice in the incident report that Misty states she woke just before 3am...........then she tells LE that she noticed Haliegh was missing about 5 minutes before daddy comes come around 3:27, so either she didn't notice she was missing until 3:22, because if she knew she was missing at 3:00 am, she'd have been on the phone with LE at that time. Am I making sense ::MonkeyTongue:: I mean it can't be both, it has to be one OR the other regarding her noticing the child missing.

These "little" things are really important..but they seem to having trouble keeping it straight.

In one interview that I heard..Misty said...I saw 3 o'clock...could have been 3 something..she saw the 3.  (not word for word)

I heard that one too.......but, in the police report she says BEFORE 3. I'm ramming my head against the wall with all these discrepancies.

You do have your helmet on I hope? ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I have mine on....   ::MonkeyDance::  I know you were not talking to me,but just wanted to say, I keep mine on.

Speaking of helmuts ... see my thread for an answer to you, Searching ;)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 03:47:00 AM
   ::MonkeyConfused::   Ok, I am so sick of these inconsistencies...Notice in the incident report that Misty states she woke just before 3am...........then she tells LE that she noticed Haliegh was missing about 5 minutes before daddy comes come around 3:27, so either she didn't notice she was missing until 3:22, because if she knew she was missing at 3:00 am, she'd have been on the phone with LE at that time. Am I making sense ::MonkeyTongue:: I mean it can't be both, it has to be one OR the other regarding her noticing the child missing.

These "little" things are really important..but they seem to having trouble keeping it straight.

In one interview that I heard..Misty said...I saw 3 o'clock...could have been 3 something..she saw the 3.  (not word for word)

I heard that one too.......but, in the police report she says BEFORE 3. I'm ramming my head against the wall with all these discrepancies.

You do have your helmet on I hope? ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I have mine on....   ::MonkeyDance::  I know you were not talking to me,but just wanted to say, I keep mine on.

Speaking of helmuts ... see my thread for an answer to you, Searching ;)
Thank you, I LOVE it. Now no monkey pinches for me for not wearing green on saint patty's day   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 15, 2009, 03:59:02 AM
I just have to say that I am so very disappointed that Haleigh was not found today.

Not to mention that there were no new leads discovered and released about where she might be today.

I went to bed ~ 7 AM on Saturday, and really thought by the time I awoke, we would have news about her!

Things are looking very grim, IMHO (In my humble opinion) ....

 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 15, 2009, 06:21:29 AM
Seems we have the gf's brothers and brothers-in-law coming outta the woodwork.   ::MonkeyDance::  LOL  Thanks for the additional info, y'all! 

Now.. considering the one who lives just behind and 2 minutes walking distance away.  Does anyone think it possible that the gf slipped thru the woods (or grass, whatever) and ran over to see her brother for a bit, propping the screen door open while she was gone?   ::MonkeyEek::
I can picture her doing this . . . none of us would even consider doing that . . . but, I don't she even considered the idea that *someone* might go inside the trailer, in spite of the screen door being unlocked/propped open.  I don't believe she thinks straight to begin with....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 15, 2009, 06:42:48 AM
GM everyone.........
Does anyone know what Ronald Cummings does for a living????


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 15, 2009, 06:49:30 AM
GM everyone.........
Does anyone know what Ronald Cummings does for a living????
Crane operator~


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 15, 2009, 06:55:37 AM
GM everyone.........
Does anyone know what Ronald Cummings does for a living????
Crane operator~
tks
Saw the bandage on the back of his neck.
I take it he got hurt at work.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 15, 2009, 06:57:52 AM
I just have to say that I am so very disappointed that Haleigh was not found today.

Not to mention that there were no new leads discovered and released about where she might be today.

I went to bed ~ 7 AM on Saturday, and really thought by the time I awoke, we would have news about her!

Things are looking very grim, IMHO (In my humble opinion) ....

 ::MonkeyWaa::

I agree, but hope it turns out to be like Elizabeth Smart's case...=)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 15, 2009, 06:58:13 AM
As far as I know, no one has heard what happened ~ lots of questions about that bandage on his neck; sure doesn't look like just a little bandaid.   ::MonkeyRoll::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Mary Ann on February 15, 2009, 07:12:23 AM
I noticed 2 things so far. The police report shows Haleigh to be a 5 year old male.  Also,a truck that was parked at the house had GraveDigger written on the back window of the pick up. This case has my hinky meter pegged.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: OriginalKat on February 15, 2009, 07:13:46 AM
Just starting reading info on this case and thought since Jacksonville reporter seems to be on the news shows on this case I would give the local news sight she is from which has some good info.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspx (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspx)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 15, 2009, 07:32:52 AM
I noticed 2 things so far. The police report shows Haleigh to be a 5 year old male.  Also,a truck that was parked at the house had GraveDigger written on the back window of the pick up. This case has my hinky meter pegged.

agggggggggggg......... ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 15, 2009, 08:22:10 AM
Just starting reading info on this case and thought since Jacksonville reporter seems to be on the news shows on this case I would give the local news sight she is from which has some good info.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspx (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspx)

Thanks Kat, that's a good link to have.

Interesting note from the sheriff on this link on that page
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131262&catid=295


Captain Steve Rose with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office gave reporters the latest update on the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, missing since early Tuesday.

Rose said today was a "very productive day" in the search and that searchers had found several items of interest.

He would not say any more about what has been found, but said teams are still searching homes, the woods, and waterways near Haleigh's home with all their resources.


Rose added that the investigation is still being treated as an abduction, and that it's an abduction if she was taken from her home, or if she left her home and was picked up by someone else later.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 15, 2009, 08:37:43 AM
Wyks, this is why I wondered from the get-go if this was a revenge act. The LE seem so focused on this being a true abduction, I have been wondering if there had been threats and Ronald and/or Misty disclosed that to LE from the beginning? That would explain why the poly's were done so quickly for Ronald and Misty, but less a sense of urgency for the bio mother.......

I also wonder if Misty has some form of a developmental disorder? Also, she's a minor so if she's had arrests then those records will be under lock and key.

Bottom line, it's unlikely Ronald earns enough as a crane operator alone to pay for daytime child care either, Misty may well have been a means to that end for Ronald too. None of this is an ideal or pretty picture but then real life for teenage parents often isn't a pretty picture.


The crane operators where my dad works make almost 100m a yr....

Also, I don't think anyone except dad and gf have even taken polygraphs. If I am wrong, someone pls let me know. I wondered about the snitch part when I saw his lengthy record and only probation I also wonder if Misty knows more than she is telling because she is afraid of him, maybe something like she's had people over when he was at work, etc. Even the smallest detail could break this case and it needs to be broken ASAP for Haleigh.

Do you mean $100,000.00 per year? In a larger urban area within a large construction company, yes I could believe that. If Ronald did earn that then I don't expect they would be living where they do.

I did point out that only Misty the girlfriend and Ronald the father, were the only ones to date to complete a polygraph within my post.

yes, sorry I use m at my work because it's easier to write out than numbers all the time. My dad lives in Jackson TN, not a huge urban area and not for .a construction company.

I was asking a question about the poly's.........I wanted to know for certain of LE has disclosed that they have poly'd anyone else, not just the bio mom, but friends etc that live there. It just seems odd that no one else has been polygraphed , at least to me.

I was able to do some research on earnings for crane operators and FL is both a right to work state and does not have strong unions either - so there is a great variance on earnings for crane operators as a result. Rule of thumb is also at least three years as an apprentice crane operator before promotion to an official crane operator. OSHA compliance has some bearing on this for companies, that varies between public sector and a private company as well.

So yes, some crane operators do earn 100K annually but they tend to have more experience and work in private sector such as a construction company. The few positions I've located as openings in FL, there aren't many for crane operators, but the two I did find quoted $20 to $25.00/hour. That equates to around 50K annually. With Ronald providing for three kids plus Misty, that would not leave much disposable income but he should have had adequate healthcare with his job to provide the necessary child care for Haleigh's needs?





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 15, 2009, 08:42:05 AM
WOKV-Radio, reporter Jared Halpern, is reporting on MSNBC right now, that the "items of interest" which were reported found by LE are NOT related to this case? Jared stated this is a bit of a "setback". He also stated that LE has not provided an official statement on the polygraph's taken by Ronald and Misty, that LE has only officially stated that the poloygraph's were "helpful".


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 15, 2009, 09:58:56 AM
Well, nothing new. I had HLN on. I don't expect a good outcome either.
They are looking at the waterways there.
The differences in Misty's story might be because she is not a high level functioning young girl. When I have heard and looked at her, she seems to have a blank and vacant something she projects. Maybe a learning disability. Probably why they re questioned her.
I don't see anything wrong with a 17 year old looking after the kids, here a 12 year old is alllowed to be a babysitter.
None of these people seem to be the kind I would like to get to know better. But I would not wish a missing kiddo on anyone, regardless of what type of people they are. Don't want to come to any hasty conclusions either, too many SO's in their neighbourhood.
The cases I am familiar with ( Lunsfords, Smart, Groene ) the SO's had seen the kid and were just waiting for the chance. Probably had several potential kids in their line of sight.
   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 15, 2009, 10:12:25 AM
Was stated she has missed a lot of school...
Wish the reason why, was released...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 10:27:36 AM
I was so hoping there would be good news this morning.

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2ywu5no.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 10:30:49 AM
Haleigh Cummings to Miss Younger Brother's Birthday

 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131366&catid=17)
Posted By: Gary Detman     Created: 2/15/2009 7:39:24 AM    Updated: 2/15/2009 8:24:25 AM

SATSUMA, FL -- Haleigh Cummings' younger brother will be celebrating a birthday without his sister at his side Sunday, as search crews head back out to look for the little girl who has been missing for nearly a week.

Ronald Cummings Jr. turns four years old on Sunday. Haleigh, 5, vanished from her home sometime after her father's girlfriend put her to bed on the night of February 9.

SEARCH FOR HALEIGH: THE 911 CALL

Saturday night, Haleigh's father and mother came together for the first time to hold a candlelight vigil for their daughter.

Law enforcement officers and volunteers have been walking side by side through the thick brush and dense woods that surround Haleigh's neighborhood in the small town of Satsuma.

Items of interest found late last week have been deemed irrelevant to the search for Haleigh.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office has scheduled a news conference for 4 p.m. to share the latest in the search and investigation.

Watch for it live on First Coast News and firstcoastnews.com.

Click here for expanded coverage in the Search for Haleigh.

Click here to chat about the search in a First Coast News forum.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: janetruth on February 15, 2009, 10:31:50 AM
Seems we have the gf's brothers and brothers-in-law coming outta the woodwork.   ::MonkeyDance::  LOL  Thanks for the additional info, y'all! 

Now.. considering the one who lives just behind and 2 minutes walking distance away.  Does anyone think it possible that the gf slipped thru the woods (or grass, whatever) and ran over to see her brother for a bit, propping the screen door open while she was gone?   ::MonkeyEek::


Am I not following what you're saying, Wyks?   I would think she would do the opposite if she was going to sneak out to visit anyone while she was gone ...   close everything up as tight as she could whether she had a key or not, to make sure the kids couldn't get out.  Why would she prop the door open?



Maybe it squeaks loudly enough to wake the kids?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: janetruth on February 15, 2009, 10:35:59 AM
i dont know, the propped open screen door is peripheral to me. the main door being open tho, when both the dad and gf said it is always locked(its a dead bolt), is the real question mark to me. le has stated that there are no signs of it being tampered with, so who unlocked and left it open? there have been no reports of any other signs of a break in either, so how would an intruder enter?

if the gf went out and left that door unlocked and someone else entered and took haleigh, how would they know that the door would be left unlocked on that specific night? if we assume she made a habit of going out at night and leaving it unlocked, who else would know that? i highly doubt it would be something she would share, and if she had why wouldnt have it happened sooner?

i pray this case will have a positive outcome and haleigh will be found alive and well. i just feel that given the first 72 hours have passed, and since those are the key hours according to the fbi and le, that something horrible has happened to her and that it is most likely at the hands of someone she knew.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Remember in the Jessica Lunsford case, Mark was in the habit of visiting his girlfriend during the night, and he had to leave the door open because he was staying with his parents who didn't want him to bring his rowdy friends to the house, so he didn't have a key.

(do I get the prize for a run-on sentence?)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 15, 2009, 10:44:46 AM
Ronals said at some point that the door was hard to close, really had to slam it.
If LE had their suspicions about involvement of family, they would still be taking the same path they are taking now.
Trying to find her.
They said they interviewed all of the SO's near there, they have interviwed the family and they don't have any hot leads. In the Lunsford case, the So John Couey was in a place ( across the street ) where he should not have been without registering it as his addy. Something like that could be happening here. SO's visit their friends and families. Some of them work. With 44 of them close by, I have a hard time believing that all 44 of them were not doing something they weren't allowed to do. Just from what has been in the media about these SO's it seems their wheels are always turning looking for the next fix.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 15, 2009, 11:02:26 AM
Maybe you've seen this already but the dad is a very bad guy.  I can't believe the children were placed with him after reading this doc.  These children were in danger by just living with him.



In 2006, on this custody document it states Ronald works for Superior Construction and makes 10.00 an hour, but will have health insurance for the children following his probationary period.  Usually includes raise as well, but I don't recall his current employer.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 15, 2009, 11:04:41 AM
I can't copy the custody doc link, it's pg 46 - Ospainter pdf document below the line, titled petineer(1).pdf


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 15, 2009, 11:05:21 AM
Just wanted to mention something really quick in relation to an earlier post that mentions a vehicle in the background that has the words Grave Digger on it.

Don't let that make you more nervous because I know that Grave Digger is a favorite monster truck that people who are into big 4x4 stuff are all familiar with.  My stepson has many pictures of it in magazines and it's a pretty well known one.

I'm thinking that someone in this gang must just be a fan of that type of thing.

Happy Sunday, Monkey friends!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 15, 2009, 11:06:54 AM
Was stated she has missed a lot of school...
Wish the reason why, was released...

Pharlap, your avatar is hilarious.  I just saw in CBB's St. Patrick's Day avatar thread that Klaas played around a little with your kitty and you have one there waiting for you if you want it!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: BluesyGram on February 15, 2009, 11:07:26 AM
   ::MonkeyConfused::   Ok, I am so sick of these inconsistencies...Notice in the incident report that Misty states she woke just before 3am...........then she tells LE that she noticed Haliegh was missing about 5 minutes before daddy comes come around 3:27, so either she didn't notice she was missing until 3:22, because if she knew she was missing at 3:00 am, she'd have been on the phone with LE at that time. Am I making sense ::MonkeyTongue:: I mean it can't be both, it has to be one OR the other regarding her noticing the child missing.

These "little" things are really important..but they seem to having trouble keeping it straight.

In one interview that I heard..Misty said...I saw 3 o'clock...could have been 3 something..she saw the 3.  (not word for word)

I heard that one too.......but, in the police report she says BEFORE 3. I'm ramming my head against the wall with all these discrepancies.

You do have your helmet on I hope? ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I have mine on....   ::MonkeyDance::  I know you were not talking to me,but just wanted to say, I keep mine on.

Great idea!!  and a beautiful one it is to be sure...all decked out..you look fabulous ..and it sure makes your butt look narrow.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2009, 11:11:04 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493230,00.html


(http://www.foxnews.com/images/505545/0_66_reynolds_320.jpg)

Authorities Searching for Florida Girl Notified of Missing Sex Offender
Sunday , February 15, 2009



Police searching for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings were notified about a missing Florida sex offender, but stopped short of calling the man a suspect in the girl's disappearance, Ocala.com reports.

Chad Eugene Reynolds, 25, was last seen Feb. 1 leaving his mother's home in Ochlawaha, Fla. — about two hours from Haleigh's home — police said. He was reported missing on Friday.

Reynolds reportedly borrowed a car from a friend and then later called to say the vehicle had broken down near the Marion/Lake County Lines, according to the Marion County Sheriff's Office. The car was located in an undisclosed location south of Marion County, but Reynolds was nowhere to be found.

Reynolds was sentenced in Putnum County — the same county where Haleigh was reported missing Feb. 10 — to seven years in prison for armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12. The incident happened in September of 2002.

Maj. Chris Blair told Ocala.com that the Marion County Sheriff's Office contacted the Putnum County Sheriff's Office about Reynolds.

Authorities said their first concern is Reynolds' safety, but added that he will likely be arrested for failing to report to his probation officer.

Click here for photos.

Reynolds was released in November and is on 10 years of community supervision, Ocala.com reports.

Haleigh was discovered missing from her Satsuma, Fla. home by her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin. The father, Ronald Cummings, said Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door of the mobile home they shared was open.

Police believe the girl was abducted.

Chief Deputy Rick Ryan of the Putnam County Sheriff's Department said in a news conference investigators continue to interview family members, their friends and others. Everyone is considered a potential person of interest.

"We're frustrated, of course, but the No. 1 mission is to find the little girl and return her to her family," he said. "We haven't lost our motivation or our drive."

As a registered sexual predator, Reynolds is required to report to his mother's house everyday, according to Ocala.com.

"We're handling it like any missing and endangered person. We're concerned for his safety because his mother said he hasn't done anything like this before," Marion County Sheriff's Capt. Tommy Bibb said.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 15, 2009, 11:11:11 AM
Searching, your avatar makes me laugh every single time I see a post of yours!!  I haven't even seen the new and improved one.....I'll go look now!!

*Okay, sorry for the o/t and I promise I'll stop talking avatars now!*


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mioyshi on February 15, 2009, 11:18:29 AM
Was stated she has missed a lot of school...
Wish the reason why, was released...

Pharlap, your avatar is hilarious.  I just saw in CBB's St. Patrick's Day avatar thread that Klaas played around a little with your kitty and you have one there waiting for you if you want it!!

Good morning sunday monkeys...

If the father worked nights, got home almost 4 in the morning, he would be sleeping when the child should be getting ready for school.. Breakfast, school cloths, homework etc...so,
WHO whold be getting her up? The girlfriend,,and at 17, hm, and with all the drug charges against them all, the fact the gf has no relatives that let her stay at her own home, the child already drowning, well, seems pretty clear to me. NO ONE was taking care of these children either..

It makes me so dang mad, I could just spit.  ( and their aint no spittin monkey icon here)

ALso, for what it is worth.. I am putting this out there, for le to search the boats, that are in moring slips.. Maybe she was put there.. Dogs do not sniff high in the air, so her scent would be sort of hidden.

After all this time, if no buzzards have gathered, then I would suspect the child has to be alive, or placed where scents and heat is hidden. Under those aluminum boat covers, would be an easy access place to hide a child...  jmo, mio


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 11:33:20 AM
This is Misty talking in an interview from the other day:


"I've been babysitting since I was 11," she said. "I have three nieces and two nephews and one on the way, and I've watched all of them."


Is Misty saying she's gonna have another niece/nephew or is she saying that she is pregnant??   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mioyshi on February 15, 2009, 11:40:23 AM
This is Misty talking in an interview from the other day:


"I've been babysitting since I was 11," she said. "I have three nieces and two nephews and one on the way, and I've watched all of them."


Is Misty saying she's gonna have another niece/nephew or is she saying that she is pregnant??   ::MonkeyEek::


dang, I hope they dont breed any more...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: danabar on February 15, 2009, 11:42:32 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!

Does anyone know if there is a live cam near the home or the search area?  Would love  to  have a link if you have one....thanks!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 15, 2009, 11:44:33 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493230,00.html


(http://www.foxnews.com/images/505545/0_66_reynolds_320.jpg)

Authorities Searching for Florida Girl Notified of Missing Sex Offender
Sunday , February 15, 2009



Police searching for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings were notified about a missing Florida sex offender, but stopped short of calling the man a suspect in the girl's disappearance, Ocala.com reports.

Chad Eugene Reynolds, 25, was last seen Feb. 1 leaving his mother's home in Ochlawaha, Fla. — about two hours from Haleigh's home — police said. He was reported missing on Friday.

Reynolds reportedly borrowed a car from a friend and then later called to say the vehicle had broken down near the Marion/Lake County Lines, according to the Marion County Sheriff's Office. The car was located in an undisclosed location south of Marion County, but Reynolds was nowhere to be found.

Reynolds was sentenced in Putnum County — the same county where Haleigh was reported missing Feb. 10 — to seven years in prison for armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12. The incident happened in September of 2002.

Maj. Chris Blair told Ocala.com that the Marion County Sheriff's Office contacted the Putnum County Sheriff's Office about Reynolds.

Authorities said their first concern is Reynolds' safety, but added that he will likely be arrested for failing to report to his probation officer.

Click here for photos.

Reynolds was released in November and is on 10 years of community supervision, Ocala.com reports.

Haleigh was discovered missing from her Satsuma, Fla. home by her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin. The father, Ronald Cummings, said Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door of the mobile home they shared was open.

Police believe the girl was abducted.

Chief Deputy Rick Ryan of the Putnam County Sheriff's Department said in a news conference investigators continue to interview family members, their friends and others. Everyone is considered a potential person of interest.

"We're frustrated, of course, but the No. 1 mission is to find the little girl and return her to her family," he said. "We haven't lost our motivation or our drive."

As a registered sexual predator, Reynolds is required to report to his mother's house everyday, according to Ocala.com.

"We're handling it like any missing and endangered person. We're concerned for his safety because his mother said he hasn't done anything like this before," Marion County Sheriff's Capt. Tommy Bibb said.


This is the type of person they need to find. He was released / unleashed in November.
There is no cure for this type of person.  They should show his pix around Satsuma, see if anyone ever saw his face near there. The store / gas stations see if anyone had any kind of knowledge of him. These ppl see you, you don't see them sometimes.
I also would like to know if it was a boy or a girl he did this to. Adij ?? Is that within the realm of the possible ?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mioyshi on February 15, 2009, 11:45:47 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!

Does anyone know if there is a live cam near the home or the search area?  Would love  to  have a link if you have one....thanks!

I have not seen one yet, nor heard one here on news...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 15, 2009, 11:49:02 AM
Haleigh Slideshow

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/18711660/detail.html

A few questions....were they all sleeping in the same bed???

Was Haleigh sleeping in a bed in front of the TV??

I have heard two different statements regarding this.  Why the inconsistencies.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mioyshi on February 15, 2009, 11:50:10 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493230,00.html


(http://www.foxnews.com/images/505545/0_66_reynolds_320.jpg)

Authorities Searching for Florida Girl Notified of Missing Sex Offender
Sunday , February 15, 2009



Police searching for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings were notified about a missing Florida sex offender, but stopped short of calling the man a suspect in the girl's disappearance, Ocala.com reports.

Chad Eugene Reynolds, 25, was last seen Feb. 1 leaving his mother's home in Ochlawaha, Fla. — about two hours from Haleigh's home — police said. He was reported missing on Friday.

Reynolds reportedly borrowed a car from a friend and then later called to say the vehicle had broken down near the Marion/Lake County Lines, according to the Marion County Sheriff's Office. The car was located in an undisclosed location south of Marion County, but Reynolds was nowhere to be found.

Reynolds was sentenced in Putnum County — the same county where Haleigh was reported missing Feb. 10 — to seven years in prison for armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12. The incident happened in September of 2002.

Maj. Chris Blair told Ocala.com that the Marion County Sheriff's Office contacted the Putnum County Sheriff's Office about Reynolds.

Authorities said their first concern is Reynolds' safety, but added that he will likely be arrested for failing to report to his probation officer.

Click here for photos.

Reynolds was released in November and is on 10 years of community supervision, Ocala.com reports.

Haleigh was discovered missing from her Satsuma, Fla. home by her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin. The father, Ronald Cummings, said Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door of the mobile home they shared was open.

Police believe the girl was abducted.

Chief Deputy Rick Ryan of the Putnam County Sheriff's Department said in a news conference investigators continue to interview family members, their friends and others. Everyone is considered a potential person of interest.

"We're frustrated, of course, but the No. 1 mission is to find the little girl and return her to her family," he said. "We haven't lost our motivation or our drive."

As a registered sexual predator, Reynolds is required to report to his mother's house everyday, according to Ocala.com.

"We're handling it like any missing and endangered person. We're concerned for his safety because his mother said he hasn't done anything like this before," Marion County Sheriff's Capt. Tommy Bibb said.


This is the type of person they need to find. He was released / unleashed in November.
There is no cure for this type of person.  They should show his pix around Satsuma, see if anyone ever saw his face near there. The store / gas stations see if anyone had any kind of knowledge of him. These ppl see you, you don't see them sometimes.
I also would like to know if it was a boy or a girl he did this to. Adij ?? Is that within the realm of the possible ?

adji is waay south of Satsuma.. But, anything is possible. Since this guy was reported missing on friday, around the same area, and now he can not be located either, sounds like  he is hold up somewhere. MAybe this child is alive still. I hope he does not harm her, and just lets her go.
Rape is bad, but murder of the innocent, is just not forgivable to me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 12:06:34 PM
adji is waay south of Satsuma.. But, anything is possible. Since this guy was reported missing on friday, around the same area, and now he can not be located either, sounds like  he is hold up somewhere. MAybe this child is alive still. I hope he does not harm her, and just lets her go.
Rape is bad, but murder of the innocent, is just not forgivable to me.
  I don't think we can assume this man has her.  However, it would be interesting to see if he has any ties to father, girlfriend, grandparents or others involved.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mioyshi on February 15, 2009, 12:13:55 PM
adji is waay south of Satsuma.. But, anything is possible. Since this guy was reported missing on friday, around the same area, and now he can not be located either, sounds like  he is hold up somewhere. MAybe this child is alive still. I hope he does not harm her, and just lets her go.
Rape is bad, but murder of the innocent, is just not forgivable to me.
  I don't think we can assume this man has her.  However, it would be interesting to see if he has any ties to father, girlfriend, grandparents or others involved.

oh for sure, I never assume anything. I just meant, "he", as in whoever the HE is that has this child.  I am not convinced of anything yet.  The man was arrested in the same county as Haileigh,,and gone missing in same county, near her home. All speculation, because, I am sure there are enough pervs right accross the street from the house, for us to convict too.

I live in a rural area, and there are so many pervs here, you can not throw a stick without hitting one. It seems they live these rural areas, cause they can do their dirty deeds without being taken seriously.  I am glad, that finally, these pervs are getting attention, as to how easy it is for them to be released out into the world, to continue their journey of destruction.

MAybe at least one of them , will be a bit more fearful to take another child.  If WE as society stop acepting them stealing and murdering our loved ones, then they could not flourish as they do.  jmo, mio ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 15, 2009, 12:23:10 PM
adji is waay south of Satsuma.. But, anything is possible. Since this guy was reported missing on friday, around the same area, and now he can not be located either, sounds like  he is hold up somewhere. MAybe this child is alive still. I hope he does not harm her, and just lets her go.
Rape is bad, but murder of the innocent, is just not forgivable to me.
  I don't think we can assume this man has her.  However, it would be interesting to see if he has any ties to father, girlfriend, grandparents or others involved.

oh for sure, I never assume anything. I just meant, "he", as in whoever the HE is that has this child.  I am not convinced of anything yet.  The man was arrested in the same county as Haileigh,,and gone missing in same county, near her home. All speculation, because, I am sure there are enough pervs right accross the street from the house, for us to convict too.

I live in a rural area, and there are so many pervs here, you can not throw a stick without hitting one. It seems they live these rural areas, cause they can do their dirty deeds without being taken seriously.  I am glad, that finally, these pervs are getting attention, as to how easy it is for them to be released out into the world, to continue their journey of destruction.

MAybe at least one of them , will be a bit more fearful to take another child.  If WE as society stop acepting them stealing and murdering our loved ones, then they could not flourish as they do.  jmo, mio ::MonkeyRoll::

I AGREE!   On of my favorite saying is that all evil requires is for good people to do nothing. Each time we allow these monsters to live near us, work near us and have contact with good and innocent people we do nothing. I think everyone deserves a chance to change but not at the risk of children. I always think we should err on the side of the innocent - too bad if these animals feel unloved or put out - they are in that place because THEY did something wrong. When they prove they can act like humans they get treated like humans. Until then they are just dangerous animals that need to be caged.

stepping off soap box.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mioyshi on February 15, 2009, 12:32:51 PM
adji is waay south of Satsuma.. But, anything is possible. Since this guy was reported missing on friday, around the same area, and now he can not be located either, sounds like  he is hold up somewhere. MAybe this child is alive still. I hope he does not harm her, and just lets her go.
Rape is bad, but murder of the innocent, is just not forgivable to me.
  I don't think we can assume this man has her.  However, it would be interesting to see if he has any ties to father, girlfriend, grandparents or others involved.

oh for sure, I never assume anything. I just meant, "he", as in whoever the HE is that has this child.  I am not convinced of anything yet.  The man was arrested in the same county as Haileigh,,and gone missing in same county, near her home. All speculation, because, I am sure there are enough pervs right accross the street from the house, for us to convict too.

I live in a rural area, and there are so many pervs here, you can not throw a stick without hitting one. It seems they live these rural areas, cause they can do their dirty deeds without being taken seriously.  I am glad, that finally, these pervs are getting attention, as to how easy it is for them to be released out into the world, to continue their journey of destruction.

MAybe at least one of them , will be a bit more fearful to take another child.  If WE as society stop acepting them stealing and murdering our loved ones, then they could not flourish as they do.  jmo, mio ::MonkeyRoll::

I AGREE!   On of my favorite saying is that all evil requires is for good people to do nothing. Each time we allow these monsters to live near us, work near us and have contact with good and innocent people we do nothing. I think everyone deserves a chance to change but not at the risk of children. I always think we should err on the side of the innocent - too bad if these animals feel unloved or put out - they are in that place because THEY did something wrong. When they prove they can act like humans they get treated like humans. Until then they are just dangerous animals that need to be caged.

stepping off soap box.

we can dream cant we... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 15, 2009, 12:34:44 PM
I have to say after reading different reports on family members on both sides, I'm very upset. There are drug charges, domestic violence, dog fighting, etc. I don't have a good feeling about this, but if it is true what LP said about Misty's friend or friends have Haleigh, why would that be, and why haven't they returned her, unless so called friend is a sexual offender? The environment of these children is not good by a long shot. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: danabar on February 15, 2009, 12:34:55 PM
Good Morning Monkeys!

Does anyone know if there is a live cam near the home or the search area?  Would love  to  have a link if you have one....thanks!

I have not seen one yet, nor heard one here on news...


Thanks Mioyshi, you're a kind monkey!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 12:37:33 PM
Searching, your avatar makes me laugh every single time I see a post of yours!!  I haven't even seen the new and improved one.....I'll go look now!!

*Okay, sorry for the o/t and I promise I'll stop talking avatars now!*

O/T  Thank you, I just LOVE your avi...   got milk?   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: jill on February 15, 2009, 12:38:49 PM
they are moving the command center to Palatka:

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090215/ARTICLES/902151007/1002/NEWS01?Title=Officials_press_on_with_Haleigh_search

Does anyone have any more new news?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 12:46:37 PM
Just wanted to mention something really quick in relation to an earlier post that mentions a vehicle in the background that has the words Grave Digger on it.

Don't let that make you more nervous because I know that Grave Digger is a favorite monster truck that people who are into big 4x4 stuff are all familiar with.  My stepson has many pictures of it in magazines and it's a pretty well known one.

I'm thinking that someone in this gang must just be a fan of that type of thing.

Happy Sunday, Monkey friends!!

Info on famous GD truck

http://www.gravedigger.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSHcLUU_43c

Side note, here in my area, most of the country boys (red necks as they call them) have their trucks lifted. My 18 year old daughters boy friend has his bronco lifted like that with big tires. They have the "mud ranch" here where they take the trucks to go mudding and stuff.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on February 15, 2009, 12:47:35 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493230,00.html


(http://www.foxnews.com/images/505545/0_66_reynolds_320.jpg)

Authorities Searching for Florida Girl Notified of Missing Sex Offender
Sunday , February 15, 2009



Police searching for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings were notified about a missing Florida sex offender, but stopped short of calling the man a suspect in the girl's disappearance, Ocala.com reports.

Chad Eugene Reynolds, 25, was last seen Feb. 1 leaving his mother's home in Ochlawaha, Fla. — about two hours from Haleigh's home — police said. He was reported missing on Friday.

Reynolds reportedly borrowed a car from a friend and then later called to say the vehicle had broken down near the Marion/Lake County Lines, according to the Marion County Sheriff's Office. The car was located in an undisclosed location south of Marion County, but Reynolds was nowhere to be found.

Reynolds was sentenced in Putnum County — the same county where Haleigh was reported missing Feb. 10 — to seven years in prison for armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12. The incident happened in September of 2002.

Maj. Chris Blair told Ocala.com that the Marion County Sheriff's Office contacted the Putnum County Sheriff's Office about Reynolds.

Authorities said their first concern is Reynolds' safety, but added that he will likely be arrested for failing to report to his probation officer.

Click here for photos.

Reynolds was released in November and is on 10 years of community supervision, Ocala.com reports.

Haleigh was discovered missing from her Satsuma, Fla. home by her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin. The father, Ronald Cummings, said Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door of the mobile home they shared was open.

Police believe the girl was abducted.

Chief Deputy Rick Ryan of the Putnam County Sheriff's Department said in a news conference investigators continue to interview family members, their friends and others. Everyone is considered a potential person of interest.

"We're frustrated, of course, but the No. 1 mission is to find the little girl and return her to her family," he said. "We haven't lost our motivation or our drive."

As a registered sexual predator, Reynolds is required to report to his mother's house everyday, according to Ocala.com.

"We're handling it like any missing and endangered person. We're concerned for his safety because his mother said he hasn't done anything like this before," Marion County Sheriff's Capt. Tommy Bibb said.



He has the perfect look of the youngish cute-ish young man that becomes the punk slave b*tch of all the fat ugly badass dudes in prison. If this is a child molestor, I won't feel sorry for him.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mioyshi on February 15, 2009, 12:51:05 PM
I have to say after reading different reports on family members on both sides, I'm very upset. There are drug charges, domestic violence, dog fighting, etc. I don't have a good feeling about this, but if it is true what LP said about Misty's friend or friends have Haleigh, why would that be, and why haven't they returned her, unless so called friend is a sexual offender? The environment of these children is not good by a long shot. ::MonkeyEek::

for sure for sure, AND, most of these charges were either dropped, or a fine was in place.. One I noticed really shocked me, as father was caught hunting deer with a spotlight from the roadway, which is a BIG no no here in florida, or any where for that matter.

His le charges all seem to be escalading,, like he is more cocky because he gets away with all these arrests. I know a man, who shot a doe, out of season, and they confiscated his truck, his guns, his house, as that was where they found deer. These game wardens mean business.
So, how come this father gets away with all this?? hm, seems I remember his mother is in le there...someone correct me please, if I am mistaken.

Babies having babies, seems to be a reacouring theme this past year. And these babies play rough. But all have one thing in common, their babies do suffer, and no one seems to care, or if they do care, what help can be offered?  Three generations I see there at Satsuma, and none of them take the claim of Elder. SO, no respect has been taught to any of the generations.  The first few days, the families held different vigils, none of them banned together, not even for the cause of their missing child, grandchild, niece.  Such a shame for them all. Like none of them ever had a chance in life.  I just do not understand .

yikes, forgive me , seems I am chatty today.. ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 15, 2009, 12:53:33 PM
What was this about LP saying a friend of Misty's ?
I haven't heard a peep about this one. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Riley on February 15, 2009, 01:06:37 PM
Was Haleigh sleeping in a bed in front of the TV??
I have heard two different statements regarding this.  Why the inconsistencies.

The latest I had heard was that in the one bedroom there was a double mattress on the floor and then a youth bed in the same room.  Junior and GF in double and Haleigh in the youth bed.  But then, that was yesterday's story.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 02:16:32 PM
Behind the Scenes at Satsuma, Florida


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_XnjFbLEA)


BUMP~For Kat Gram

It's in this video tha LP states his "theory"  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 02:26:58 PM
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-15/story/turning_to_prayer

Turning to prayer in search for Haleigh

    * By Jim Schoettler
    * Story updated at 12:01 PM on Sunday, Feb. 15, 2009
Sorry if repost.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 02:30:21 PM
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/peppermint09_2009/l_23bed0c623dd4e739f379b1b81ed29ca.jpg

are those pot leaves in the background in doorway???   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: darla on February 15, 2009, 02:41:37 PM
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/peppermint09_2009/l_23bed0c623dd4e739f379b1b81ed29ca.jpg

are those pot leaves in the background in doorway???   ::MonkeyEek::

Sure looks like it to me searching. I have never seen one in person...but looks like pics I have seen. Kind of loks like they are on a drying rack. Who is that suppose to be in the pic???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 02:43:10 PM
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/peppermint09_2009/l_23bed0c623dd4e739f379b1b81ed29ca.jpg

are those pot leaves in the background in doorway???   ::MonkeyEek::
That would be bamboo


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 02:47:29 PM
However this picture on wall on left would be weed


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 15, 2009, 02:48:44 PM
Behind the Scenes at Satsuma, Florida


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_XnjFbLEA)


BUMP~For Kat Gram

It's in this video tha LP states his "theory"  ::MonkeyRoll::
My Kats and I thank you very much..... I am on my way out soon ... will come back to this .... I am guessing LP has no shortage of theories as there are so many to pick from ( the ppl involved ) . Wish LP would find that SO we just looked at...  that the kind of thing he would be great at ... Oh well, he needs to do this so Nancy will have him on. LOL


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 02:50:24 PM
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/peppermint09_2009/l_23bed0c623dd4e739f379b1b81ed29ca.jpg

are those pot leaves in the background in doorway???   ::MonkeyEek::

Sure looks like it to me searching. I have never seen one in person...but looks like pics I have seen. Kind of loks like they are on a drying rack. Who is that suppose to be in the pic???

That is Haleighs bio mom and her fiance.. It looked to me like pot leaves being dried..have a bro that use to do that....so have seen it done that way when I went to visit him....left rather quickly I might add...     ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: EverySunset on February 15, 2009, 02:53:30 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493230,00.html


(http://www.foxnews.com/images/505545/0_66_reynolds_320.jpg)

Authorities Searching for Florida Girl Notified of Missing Sex Offender
Sunday , February 15, 2009



Police searching for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings were notified about a missing Florida sex offender, but stopped short of calling the man a suspect in the girl's disappearance, Ocala.com reports.

Chad Eugene Reynolds, 25, was last seen Feb. 1 leaving his mother's home in Ochlawaha, Fla. — about two hours from Haleigh's home — police said. He was reported missing on Friday.

Reynolds reportedly borrowed a car from a friend and then later called to say the vehicle had broken down near the Marion/Lake County Lines, according to the Marion County Sheriff's Office. The car was located in an undisclosed location south of Marion County, but Reynolds was nowhere to be found.

Reynolds was sentenced in Putnum County — the same county where Haleigh was reported missing Feb. 10 — to seven years in prison for armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12. The incident happened in September of 2002.

Maj. Chris Blair told Ocala.com that the Marion County Sheriff's Office contacted the Putnum County Sheriff's Office about Reynolds.

Authorities said their first concern is Reynolds' safety, but added that he will likely be arrested for failing to report to his probation officer.

Click here for photos.

Reynolds was released in November and is on 10 years of community supervision, Ocala.com reports.

Haleigh was discovered missing from her Satsuma, Fla. home by her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin. The father, Ronald Cummings, said Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door of the mobile home they shared was open.

Police believe the girl was abducted.

Chief Deputy Rick Ryan of the Putnam County Sheriff's Department said in a news conference investigators continue to interview family members, their friends and others. Everyone is considered a potential person of interest.

"We're frustrated, of course, but the No. 1 mission is to find the little girl and return her to her family," he said. "We haven't lost our motivation or our drive."

As a registered sexual predator, Reynolds is required to report to his mother's house everyday, according to Ocala.com.

"We're handling it like any missing and endangered person. We're concerned for his safety because his mother said he hasn't done anything like this before," Marion County Sheriff's Capt. Tommy Bibb said.

Goodness! I wonder if Misty had any connection to him?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 02:56:54 PM
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/peppermint09_2009/l_23bed0c623dd4e739f379b1b81ed29ca.jpg

are those pot leaves in the background in doorway???   ::MonkeyEek::
That would be bamboo

looks more like pot leaves to me..

http://www.blchiropractic.com/images/bamboo_leaves.png

http://www.marijuanaseedbanks.com/marijuana_leaf_pics.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 15, 2009, 03:02:35 PM
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/peppermint09_2009/l_23bed0c623dd4e739f379b1b81ed29ca.jpg

are those pot leaves in the background in doorway???   ::MonkeyEek::
That would be bamboo

looks more like pot leaves to me..

http://www.blchiropractic.com/images/bamboo_leaves.png

http://www.marijuanaseedbanks.com/marijuana_leaf_pics.html

definitely not pot. it looks different and you dont hang the leaves to dry, you hang the entire plant upside down.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 03:03:24 PM
depends what varity of bamboo


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 03:06:08 PM
depends what varity of bamboo

Why would anyone hang bamboo leaves??  as for drying,yes,common practice is to hang the "buds" or plans, but my bro use to take leaves and hang to dry for his own personal use...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: OriginalKat on February 15, 2009, 03:06:17 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493230,00.html


(http://www.foxnews.com/images/505545/0_66_reynolds_320.jpg)

Authorities Searching for Florida Girl Notified of Missing Sex Offender
Sunday , February 15, 2009



Police searching for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings were notified about a missing Florida sex offender, but stopped short of calling the man a suspect in the girl's disappearance, Ocala.com reports.

Chad Eugene Reynolds, 25, was last seen Feb. 1 leaving his mother's home in Ochlawaha, Fla. — about two hours from Haleigh's home — police said. He was reported missing on Friday.

Reynolds reportedly borrowed a car from a friend and then later called to say the vehicle had broken down near the Marion/Lake County Lines, according to the Marion County Sheriff's Office. The car was located in an undisclosed location south of Marion County, but Reynolds was nowhere to be found.

Reynolds was sentenced in Putnum County — the same county where Haleigh was reported missing Feb. 10 — to seven years in prison for armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12. The incident happened in September of 2002.

Maj. Chris Blair told Ocala.com that the Marion County Sheriff's Office contacted the Putnum County Sheriff's Office about Reynolds.

Authorities said their first concern is Reynolds' safety, but added that he will likely be arrested for failing to report to his probation officer.

Click here for photos.

Reynolds was released in November and is on 10 years of community supervision, Ocala.com reports.

Haleigh was discovered missing from her Satsuma, Fla. home by her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin. The father, Ronald Cummings, said Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door of the mobile home they shared was open.

Police believe the girl was abducted.

Chief Deputy Rick Ryan of the Putnam County Sheriff's Department said in a news conference investigators continue to interview family members, their friends and others. Everyone is considered a potential person of interest.

"We're frustrated, of course, but the No. 1 mission is to find the little girl and return her to her family," he said. "We haven't lost our motivation or our drive."

As a registered sexual predator, Reynolds is required to report to his mother's house everyday, according to Ocala.com.

"We're handling it like any missing and endangered person. We're concerned for his safety because his mother said he hasn't done anything like this before," Marion County Sheriff's Capt. Tommy Bibb said.

Goodness! I wonder if Misty had any connection to him?
This guy was reported missing Fri but he actually hadn't been seen since
Feb 1 per article. He left his moms in Seminole county, car was found Lake/Marion county area.
That does have him moving upward in the state and possibly towards Putnam county.

Here is a county map of FL.....http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/maps/florida_map.html (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/maps/florida_map.html)
 
Not saying it could be him because I do agree with others the stories just keep changing.

Also in the picture of bio mom look also at right in the middle above the group...Stoner.
I would assume lifestyle might be the reason he has full custody. JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 03:07:26 PM
depends what varity of bamboo

Why would anyone hang bamboo leaves??  as for drying,yes,common practice is to hang the "buds" or plans, but my bro use to take leaves and hang to dry for his own personal use...
I am sure you are right there could not possibly be any other reason.  I am wrong for suggesting that it was anything else.  Please forgive me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 15, 2009, 03:08:30 PM
In retrospect of Myspace -

I have looked at the myspace's of those who are part of Haleigh's world .... Hmmm.

There is a website that I am sure most of you are aware of, maybe not.
Dreamin' Demon. http://www.dreamindemon.com/

Their Purpose of their site (snipped from above website):
While there is no one goal in regards to what we are doing, there is a purpose. The Dreamin’ Demon is here to try and provide uncensored news in regards to criminals and their victims. Unlike other uncensored news sites out there, we do not try to throw the word “fu%k” into a story and call it uncensored. No, we simply tell it like it is. Politically correct? Tact? Morals? You wont find much of that here. We are tacky and we are proud of it. We want to shock, sicken and anger. We want people to be outraged and be vocal about the crimes we feature. Vent. Comment. Express you glee, hate, scorn, disgust. Do anything besides shaking you head and disbelief at one of the stories and then going back to eating your fu&king lunch. We are not authors, nor do we aspire to be. We are not experts, nor do we pretend to be. We are simply just like you. Parents, Friends and Family who are (somewhat) functioning members of society who read about these stories and want to spread the word and vent our frustrations at the same time.

________________

They post real life stories for the most part everything centers around " Children" who have been harmed, exploited, hurt, killed ... by a family member ..seems to be the case 9 times out of ten. 

Why do I bring this up?  Because these Children who have been hurt, maimed, abused, killed by their own family members  - Their parents and or Perps Myspace is linked to their story if they one.

It squirrels my brain that you can click on their Myspace and it shows that they have recently logged in ... within the day or days...and yet they have either a Dead Child and or etc...that they were held responsible for their death, their abuse, their child being beaten half to death.
WHY are they NOT in Jail ?

You have to poke around the site to understand what I am saying.

This is the link for Haleigh on this site

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2009/02/11/where-is-haleigh-cummings/

If you read up on this site you will find many Myspace accounts - the words that are posted and updated by these ppl who have been held responsible and proven by LE that they hurt their kids, step kids, girlfriends kids etc ...  ::MonkeyNoNo:: blow your every loving Monkey mind.

They still state they are a Proud Parent etc.....  :2brickwall:



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 03:09:01 PM
depends what varity of bamboo

Why would anyone hang bamboo leaves??  as for drying,yes,common practice is to hang the "buds" or plants, but my bro use to take leaves and hang to dry for his own personal use...my bro is/was major major pot head. use to start his seedlings in my moms house plants till big enough to move... she never knew till someone noticed one growing and told her..
self edit..left the t out of plant..sorry..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 03:11:58 PM
depends what varity of bamboo

Why would anyone hang bamboo leaves??  as for drying,yes,common practice is to hang the "buds" or plans, but my bro use to take leaves and hang to dry for his own personal use...
I am sure you are right there could not possibly be any other reason.  I am wrong for suggesting that it was anything else.  Please forgive me.

umm was just asking as I am not familiar with Bamboo... so was curious of uses... sorry for asking....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: jill on February 15, 2009, 03:19:26 PM
In retrospect of Myspace -

I have looked at the myspace's of those who are part of Haleigh's world .... Hmmm.

There is a website that I am sure most of you are aware of, maybe not.
Dreamin' Demon. http://www.dreamindemon.com/

Their Purpose of their site (snipped from above website):
While there is no one goal in regards to what we are doing, there is a purpose. The Dreamin’ Demon is here to try and provide uncensored news in regards to criminals and their victims. Unlike other uncensored news sites out there, we do not try to throw the word “fu%k” into a story and call it uncensored. No, we simply tell it like it is. Politically correct? Tact? Morals? You wont find much of that here. We are tacky and we are proud of it. We want to shock, sicken and anger. We want people to be outraged and be vocal about the crimes we feature. Vent. Comment. Express you glee, hate, scorn, disgust. Do anything besides shaking you head and disbelief at one of the stories and then going back to eating your fu&king lunch. We are not authors, nor do we aspire to be. We are not experts, nor do we pretend to be. We are simply just like you. Parents, Friends and Family who are (somewhat) functioning members of society who read about these stories and want to spread the word and vent our frustrations at the same time.

________________

They post real life stories for the most part everything centers around " Children" who have been harmed, exploited, hurt, killed ... by a family member ..seems to be the case 9 times out of ten. 

Why do I bring this up?  Because these Children who have been hurt, maimed, abused, killed by their own family members  - Their parents and or Perps Myspace is linked to their story if they one.

It squirrels my brain that you can click on their Myspace and it shows that they have recently logged in ... within the day or days...and yet they have either a Dead Child and or etc...that they were held responsible for their death, their abuse, their child being beaten half to death.
WHY are they NOT in Jail ?

You have to poke around the site to understand what I am saying.

This is the link for Haleigh on this site

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2009/02/11/where-is-haleigh-cummings/

If you read up on this site you will find many Myspace accounts - the words that are posted and updated by these ppl who have been held responsible and proven by LE that they hurt their kids, step kids, girlfriends kids etc ...  ::MonkeyNoNo:: blow your every loving Monkey mind.

They still state they are a Proud Parent etc.....  :2brickwall:



I think it's usually law enforcement that is logged in.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: jill on February 15, 2009, 03:21:06 PM
depends what varity of bamboo

Why would anyone hang bamboo leaves??  as for drying,yes,common practice is to hang the "buds" or plans, but my bro use to take leaves and hang to dry for his own personal use...
I am sure you are right there could not possibly be any other reason.  I am wrong for suggesting that it was anything else.  Please forgive me.

umm was just asking as I am not familiar with Bamboo... so was curious of uses... sorry for asking....

I know nothing about bamboo, except that it has shoots.

That totally looked like pot to me - and the practice is to hang it upside while it dries so that all the THC gets evenly distributed.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 15, 2009, 03:21:33 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493230,00.html


(http://www.foxnews.com/images/505545/0_66_reynolds_320.jpg)

Authorities Searching for Florida Girl Notified of Missing Sex Offender
Sunday , February 15, 2009



Police searching for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings were notified about a missing Florida sex offender, but stopped short of calling the man a suspect in the girl's disappearance, Ocala.com reports.

Chad Eugene Reynolds, 25, was last seen Feb. 1 leaving his mother's home in Ochlawaha, Fla. — about two hours from Haleigh's home — police said. He was reported missing on Friday.

Reynolds reportedly borrowed a car from a friend and then later called to say the vehicle had broken down near the Marion/Lake County Lines, according to the Marion County Sheriff's Office. The car was located in an undisclosed location south of Marion County, but Reynolds was nowhere to be found.

Reynolds was sentenced in Putnum County — the same county where Haleigh was reported missing Feb. 10 — to seven years in prison for armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12. The incident happened in September of 2002.

Maj. Chris Blair told Ocala.com that the Marion County Sheriff's Office contacted the Putnum County Sheriff's Office about Reynolds.

Authorities said their first concern is Reynolds' safety, but added that he will likely be arrested for failing to report to his probation officer.

Click here for photos.

Reynolds was released in November and is on 10 years of community supervision, Ocala.com reports.

Haleigh was discovered missing from her Satsuma, Fla. home by her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin. The father, Ronald Cummings, said Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door of the mobile home they shared was open.

Police believe the girl was abducted.

Chief Deputy Rick Ryan of the Putnam County Sheriff's Department said in a news conference investigators continue to interview family members, their friends and others. Everyone is considered a potential person of interest.

"We're frustrated, of course, but the No. 1 mission is to find the little girl and return her to her family," he said. "We haven't lost our motivation or our drive."

As a registered sexual predator, Reynolds is required to report to his mother's house everyday, according to Ocala.com.

"We're handling it like any missing and endangered person. We're concerned for his safety because his mother said he hasn't done anything like this before," Marion County Sheriff's Capt. Tommy Bibb said.

Goodness! I wonder if Misty had any connection to him?
This guy was reported missing Fri but he actually hadn't been seen since
Feb 1 per article. He left his moms in Seminole county, car was found Lake/Marion county area.
That does have him moving upward in the state and possibly towards Putnam county.

Here is a county map of FL.....http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/maps/florida_map.html (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/maps/florida_map.html)
 
Not saying it could be him because I do agree with others the stories just keep changing.

Also in the picture of bio mom look also at right in the middle above the group...Stoner.
I would assume lifestyle might be the reason he has full custody. JMO

Funny his photo is online - for Most Wanted Absconders Sex Offenders - State of Florida - I was looking yesterday ...

Nice sweet face ... Yah Right

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: EverySunset on February 15, 2009, 03:21:58 PM
However this picture on wall on left would be weed

And this is the poster behind them. I found it on allposters and saved to my photobucket. I guess they trip on mushrooms, too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: EverySunset on February 15, 2009, 03:22:21 PM
However this picture on wall on left would be weed

And this is the poster behind them. I found it on allposters and saved to my photobucket. I guess they trip on mushrooms, too.
OOPS!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/cherryblossomcanopy/952Eat-Me-Posters.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 15, 2009, 03:25:17 PM
depends what varity of bamboo

Why would anyone hang bamboo leaves??  as for drying,yes,common practice is to hang the "buds" or plans, but my bro use to take leaves and hang to dry for his own personal use...
I am sure you are right there could not possibly be any other reason.  I am wrong for suggesting that it was anything else.  Please forgive me.

umm was just asking as I am not familiar with Bamboo... so was curious of uses... sorry for asking....

I know nothing about bamboo, except that it has shoots.

That totally looked like pot to me - and the practice is to hang it upside while it dries so that all the THC gets evenly distributed.

thats in terms of hanging the whole plant. the leaves themselves arent big enough to yield very much at all. to have enough leaves to dry at the same time, as opposed to the entire plant, youd have to have a whole lot of plants to just harvest leaves from.

those most certainly are not pot leaves.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 15, 2009, 03:28:28 PM
In retrospect of Myspace -

I have looked at the myspace's of those who are part of Haleigh's world .... Hmmm.

There is a website that I am sure most of you are aware of, maybe not.
Dreamin' Demon. http://www.dreamindemon.com/

Their Purpose of their site (snipped from above website):
While there is no one goal in regards to what we are doing, there is a purpose. The Dreamin’ Demon is here to try and provide uncensored news in regards to criminals and their victims. Unlike other uncensored news sites out there, we do not try to throw the word “fu%k” into a story and call it uncensored. No, we simply tell it like it is. Politically correct? Tact? Morals? You wont find much of that here. We are tacky and we are proud of it. We want to shock, sicken and anger. We want people to be outraged and be vocal about the crimes we feature. Vent. Comment. Express you glee, hate, scorn, disgust. Do anything besides shaking you head and disbelief at one of the stories and then going back to eating your fu&king lunch. We are not authors, nor do we aspire to be. We are not experts, nor do we pretend to be. We are simply just like you. Parents, Friends and Family who are (somewhat) functioning members of society who read about these stories and want to spread the word and vent our frustrations at the same time.

________________

They post real life stories for the most part everything centers around " Children" who have been harmed, exploited, hurt, killed ... by a family member ..seems to be the case 9 times out of ten. 

Why do I bring this up?  Because these Children who have been hurt, maimed, abused, killed by their own family members  - Their parents and or Perps Myspace is linked to their story if they one.

It squirrels my brain that you can click on their Myspace and it shows that they have recently logged in ... within the day or days...and yet they have either a Dead Child and or etc...that they were held responsible for their death, their abuse, their child being beaten half to death.
WHY are they NOT in Jail ?

You have to poke around the site to understand what I am saying.

This is the link for Haleigh on this site

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2009/02/11/where-is-haleigh-cummings/

If you read up on this site you will find many Myspace accounts - the words that are posted and updated by these ppl who have been held responsible and proven by LE that they hurt their kids, step kids, girlfriends kids etc ...  ::MonkeyNoNo:: blow your every loving Monkey mind.

They still state they are a Proud Parent etc.....  :2brickwall:



I think it's usually law enforcement that is logged in.
No because there are New Posts from others and the Myspace owners adding - photo's, music  etc ...they are living normally and doing as they please. They have no shame. If LE was monitoring the Myspace - they would monitor it behind the scenes.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: jill on February 15, 2009, 03:29:13 PM
Behind the Scenes at Satsuma, Florida


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_XnjFbLEA)


BUMP~For Kat Gram

It's in this video tha LP states his "theory"  ::MonkeyRoll::

I could barely hear that - did he just give a Leonardism?

Did he say to media that he thinks Misty gave Haleigh to one of her friends?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: jill on February 15, 2009, 03:31:01 PM
depends what varity of bamboo

Why would anyone hang bamboo leaves??  as for drying,yes,common practice is to hang the "buds" or plans, but my bro use to take leaves and hang to dry for his own personal use...
I am sure you are right there could not possibly be any other reason.  I am wrong for suggesting that it was anything else.  Please forgive me.

umm was just asking as I am not familiar with Bamboo... so was curious of uses... sorry for asking....

I know nothing about bamboo, except that it has shoots.

That totally looked like pot to me - and the practice is to hang it upside while it dries so that all the THC gets evenly distributed.

thats in terms of hanging the whole plant. the leaves themselves arent big enough to yield very much at all. to have enough leaves to dry at the same time, as opposed to the entire plant, youd have to have a whole lot of plants to just harvest leaves from.

those most certainly are not pot leaves.

well, it's been a long time for me, lol.

and you're right about the entire plant - I've myself only seen entire plants hung upside down.

maybe they have it up to give the party room more atmosphere?  like a decoration?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: jill on February 15, 2009, 03:33:04 PM
In retrospect of Myspace -

I have looked at the myspace's of those who are part of Haleigh's world .... Hmmm.

There is a website that I am sure most of you are aware of, maybe not.
Dreamin' Demon. http://www.dreamindemon.com/

Their Purpose of their site (snipped from above website):
While there is no one goal in regards to what we are doing, there is a purpose. The Dreamin’ Demon is here to try and provide uncensored news in regards to criminals and their victims. Unlike other uncensored news sites out there, we do not try to throw the word “fu%k” into a story and call it uncensored. No, we simply tell it like it is. Politically correct? Tact? Morals? You wont find much of that here. We are tacky and we are proud of it. We want to shock, sicken and anger. We want people to be outraged and be vocal about the crimes we feature. Vent. Comment. Express you glee, hate, scorn, disgust. Do anything besides shaking you head and disbelief at one of the stories and then going back to eating your fu&king lunch. We are not authors, nor do we aspire to be. We are not experts, nor do we pretend to be. We are simply just like you. Parents, Friends and Family who are (somewhat) functioning members of society who read about these stories and want to spread the word and vent our frustrations at the same time.

________________

They post real life stories for the most part everything centers around " Children" who have been harmed, exploited, hurt, killed ... by a family member ..seems to be the case 9 times out of ten. 

Why do I bring this up?  Because these Children who have been hurt, maimed, abused, killed by their own family members  - Their parents and or Perps Myspace is linked to their story if they one.

It squirrels my brain that you can click on their Myspace and it shows that they have recently logged in ... within the day or days...and yet they have either a Dead Child and or etc...that they were held responsible for their death, their abuse, their child being beaten half to death.
WHY are they NOT in Jail ?

You have to poke around the site to understand what I am saying.

This is the link for Haleigh on this site

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2009/02/11/where-is-haleigh-cummings/

If you read up on this site you will find many Myspace accounts - the words that are posted and updated by these ppl who have been held responsible and proven by LE that they hurt their kids, step kids, girlfriends kids etc ...  ::MonkeyNoNo:: blow your every loving Monkey mind.

They still state they are a Proud Parent etc.....  :2brickwall:



I think it's usually law enforcement that is logged in.
No because there are New Posts from others and the Myspace owners adding - photo's, music  etc ...they are living normally and doing as they please. They have no shame. If LE was monitoring the Myspace - they would monitor it behind the scenes.



oh, I misunderstood what you were saying and don't read at Dreamin Demons.

I hear ya, it pizzes me off too when people get away with this kind of stuff - even for a minute.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 15, 2009, 03:39:20 PM
depends what varity of bamboo

Why would anyone hang bamboo leaves??  as for drying,yes,common practice is to hang the "buds" or plans, but my bro use to take leaves and hang to dry for his own personal use...
I am sure you are right there could not possibly be any other reason.  I am wrong for suggesting that it was anything else.  Please forgive me.

umm was just asking as I am not familiar with Bamboo... so was curious of uses... sorry for asking....

I know nothing about bamboo, except that it has shoots.

That totally looked like pot to me - and the practice is to hang it upside while it dries so that all the THC gets evenly distributed.

thats in terms of hanging the whole plant. the leaves themselves arent big enough to yield very much at all. to have enough leaves to dry at the same time, as opposed to the entire plant, youd have to have a whole lot of plants to just harvest leaves from.

those most certainly are not pot leaves.

well, it's been a long time for me, lol.

and you're right about the entire plant - I've myself only seen entire plants hung upside down.

maybe they have it up to give the party room more atmosphere?  like a decoration?

it could be, im not very familiar with bamboo leaves so ill defer that identification to someone more knowledgeable. pot leaves, however, do not have smooth edges as these leaves in the pic do.

given the posters in the room, id venture to guess that they do smoke some weed, all im trying to clarify is that the leaves that are hung up for whatever reasons, are definitely not pot leaves.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 03:47:15 PM
Behind the Scenes at Satsuma, Florida


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_XnjFbLEA)


BUMP~For Kat Gram

It's in this video tha LP states his "theory"  ::MonkeyRoll::

I could barely hear that - did he just give a Leonardism?

Did he say to media that he thinks Misty gave Haleigh to one of her friends?

in a way yes, he said he thinks Haleigh is sstill alive and that the gf had something to do with getting her out of the house and she's possibly with  gf's friends.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JuJu on February 15, 2009, 03:59:24 PM
since we are on the subject of weed........i have wondered if misty had went outside to smoke weed or something or to a neighbors house.  propped the screen door open as to not wake the kids when it shut.  someone could have watched her doing this on occasion, waited and grabbed Haleigh when he had the chance.....just thinking out loud


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: kitkat53 on February 15, 2009, 04:01:48 PM
depends what varity of bamboo

Why would anyone hang bamboo leaves??  as for drying,yes,common practice is to hang the "buds" or plans, but my bro use to take leaves and hang to dry for his own personal use...
I am sure you are right there could not possibly be any other reason.  I am wrong for suggesting that it was anything else.  Please forgive me.

umm was just asking as I am not familiar with Bamboo... so was curious of uses... sorry for asking....

I know nothing about bamboo, except that it has shoots.

That totally looked like pot to me - and the practice is to hang it upside while it dries so that all the THC gets evenly distributed.

thats in terms of hanging the whole plant. the leaves themselves arent big enough to yield very much at all. to have enough leaves to dry at the same time, as opposed to the entire plant, youd have to have a whole lot of plants to just harvest leaves from.

those most certainly are not pot leaves.

well, it's been a long time for me, lol.

and you're right about the entire plant - I've myself only seen entire plants hung upside down.

maybe they have it up to give the party room more atmosphere?  like a decoration?

it could be, im not very familiar with bamboo leaves so ill defer that identification to someone more knowledgeable. pot leaves, however, do not have smooth edges as these leaves in the pic do.

given the posters in the room, id venture to guess that they do smoke some weed, all im trying to clarify is that the leaves that are hung up for whatever reasons, are definitely not pot leaves.

The posters probably came from Spencer's Gifts they sell a lot of posters and things to go along with black lights which I also noticed in the group photo. They also sell lots of things with pot leaves on them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 15, 2009, 04:03:17 PM
However this picture on wall on left would be weed

This is not a home of  Mr. Rogers  .... meaning not a place for Children
I have no idea's who's Home this is ..but seems as if they all are Parents of little ones.
Busy Baby makers ... Yay  who needs School ... High School is for ?????  Hmmph.

Sorry I am being a Meany Monkey - frustrated I yam.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: JuJu on February 15, 2009, 04:04:09 PM
Behind the Scenes at Satsuma, Florida


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_XnjFbLEA)


BUMP~For Kat Gram

It's in this video tha LP states his "theory"  ::MonkeyRoll::

I could barely hear that - did he just give a Leonardism?

Did he say to media that he thinks Misty gave Haleigh to one of her friends?

in a way yes, he said he thinks Haleigh is sstill alive and that the gf had something to do with getting her out of the house and she's possibly with  gf's friends.
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why would she do that?  what do you guys think?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 15, 2009, 04:08:28 PM
since we are on the subject of weed........i have wondered if misty had went outside to smoke weed or something or to a neighbors house.  propped the screen door open as to not wake the kids when it shut.  someone could have watched her doing this on occasion, waited and grabbed Haleigh when he had the chance.....just thinking out loud

thats always a possibility. shed have had to have left the main door open as well, since it was discovered that way and was not tampered with according to le.

the kitchen light was on as well, which begs the question of why she would leave it on if she left both the screen and main door wide open, as one can assume shed not want any attention brought to the fact she was gone from the house, and knows the layout well enough to just turn the light back on herself once she reentered.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: dottie on February 15, 2009, 04:26:51 PM
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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: VinceVixen on February 15, 2009, 04:35:55 PM
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/peppermint09_2009/l_23bed0c623dd4e739f379b1b81ed29ca.jpg

are those pot leaves in the background in doorway???   ::MonkeyEek::
That would be bamboo

looks more like pot leaves to me..

http://www.blchiropractic.com/images/bamboo_leaves.png

http://www.marijuanaseedbanks.com/marijuana_leaf_pics.html

definitely not pot. it looks different and you dont hang the leaves to dry, you hang the entire plant upside down.

If you go to the store called Spencer's gifts at the mall... They have those posters that are hanging up and a variety of "marijuana" looking products... I think the leaves that are hanging are fake weed leaves to act as a door curtain, like those 70's style bead curtains, exept with fake leaves on them... i know i've seen them at that store before...

and just because you have a poster of "shrooms" up in your room, doesn't mean you do shrooms... probably just like the poster, especially if they have a black light, because it lights up...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: peanut on February 15, 2009, 04:43:20 PM
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/peppermint09_2009/l_23bed0c623dd4e739f379b1b81ed29ca.jpg

are those pot leaves in the background in doorway???   ::MonkeyEek::
That would be bamboo

looks more like pot leaves to me..

http://www.blchiropractic.com/images/bamboo_leaves.png

http://www.marijuanaseedbanks.com/marijuana_leaf_pics.html

definitely not pot. it looks different and you dont hang the leaves to dry, you hang the entire plant upside down.

If you go to the store called Spencer's gifts at the mall... They have those posters that are hanging up and a variety of "marijuana" looking products... I think the leaves that are hanging are fake weed leaves to act as a door curtain, like those 70's style bead curtains, exept with fake leaves on them... i know i've seen them at that store before...

and just because you have a poster of "shrooms" up in your room, doesn't mean you do shrooms... probably just like the poster, especially if they have a black light, because it lights up...

hey i agree, thats what i always told my folks back in the day anyway! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pixiecat on February 15, 2009, 04:57:53 PM
However this picture on wall on left would be weed

This is not a home of  Mr. Rogers  .... meaning not a place for Children
I have no idea's who's Home this is ..but seems as if they all are Parents of little ones.
Busy Baby makers ... Yay  who needs School ... High School is for ?????  Hmmph.

Sorry I am being a Meany Monkey - frustrated I yam.



I completely agree with you.  These people are the exact reason that we need better sex education in our schools.  They should not be allowed to procreate until they get a brain in their heads and grow up!  Their priorities amaze me.  Always time to party, despite the fact that they have children who are not being looked after properly.  One does not have to be a wealthy person to be a parent.  However, these idiots should realize that this type of environment is not the best for any child (i.e. drug paraphernalia, odd sleeping arrangements, excessive absences from school, etc). 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: EverySunset on February 15, 2009, 05:00:59 PM
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/peppermint09_2009/l_23bed0c623dd4e739f379b1b81ed29ca.jpg

are those pot leaves in the background in doorway???   ::MonkeyEek::
That would be bamboo

looks more like pot leaves to me..

http://www.blchiropractic.com/images/bamboo_leaves.png

http://www.marijuanaseedbanks.com/marijuana_leaf_pics.html

definitely not pot. it looks different and you dont hang the leaves to dry, you hang the entire plant upside down.

If you go to the store called Spencer's gifts at the mall... They have those posters that are hanging up and a variety of "marijuana" looking products... I think the leaves that are hanging are fake weed leaves to act as a door curtain, like those 70's style bead curtains, exept with fake leaves on them... i know i've seen them at that store before...

and just because you have a poster of "shrooms" up in your room, doesn't mean you do shrooms... probably just like the poster, especially if they have a black light, because it lights up...
That's true, but I seriously doubt these people just randomly choose drug decor. I find it very hard to believe, with their drug history, that they would have shroom posters up for the "art" of it. I'm sure they have black-lights and I'm sure they turn them on when they're drunk/stoned/tripping. It does not make them frequent shroom users, but I wouldn't, for a second, think that they don't like or do shrooms. I believe they have the poster, cause they like shrooms, not cause it's black light. They could have gotten different black light posters, if that were the case. They could have gotten a different street sign, too.  I really don't give a crap one way or another if someone smokes pot or does shrooms. I just think that they do.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Deenie on February 15, 2009, 05:17:56 PM
Monkeys

My Gut thoughts are of this and just my thoughts period
Haleigh is a Missing child not by being abducted from her own Home by a total stranger.
She was handed off to someone and or Misty knows who has her ...
 -  my feelings are she is in the hands of someone that is a acquaintance of Misty herself and or of both her and Ronald Dad and yet DAD has not figured it out.
Misty is the Key and she is too afraid to state anything because she knows Ronald will Kill her.
17 year olds have not the capacity within to tell the truth when they feel that they themselves will come into harms way - for stating the truth - Teens are arrested everyday for not being old enough to understand everything they do within actions - they are held responsible. They are the first one's to admit it themselves " I DIDNT KNOW" .....
They do or should know Right for Wrong thats not where I am going.

From all that I have seen in Video and heard in audio -
And then finding out that Misty and Dad have only been a couple for 5 months - and knowing that Misty is 17.

Misty stating she loves the kids as if they were her own - That she called in and Said to 911 " MY Daughter" is missing ...  ::MonkeyNoNo:: When even asked What is Haleigh's Birthday ...she could not answer prob because she only heard it once or twice. She did not know. Dad is not a Saint he has his own records. Dad is young, uneducated and is trying to wade through society with what he knows. He is not the sharpest crayon in the box ..
My Gut tells me that Haleigh is Alive and that she is with a person that Misty and Dad both know, yet for reason's each have not told each other of HOW they know this person.
My Gut is : This Person is not a good person.

This IS why you never tell people all your business when they are nothing more than Hang around and get High with Buzz Buddies ...friends in need are a friend in deed.
Like the Doc said on NG - Someone knew Misty would not wake up.
Well I think someone Knew Misty was not at Home when the kids were asleep.
I think that Misty is holding back. What alliance can you offer out of a 5 month relationship " being 17" living in a 25 yr old Boyfriends Home that He is putting his world responsibility upon your shoulders to care for his children and take care of Him.  You have only known him 5 months.  I am sure he has a Wicked Tongue and has displayed his Love "Hands on" to Misty for not obeying his rules ... if you get my drift. I am sorry Misty .. I love you. How many times has Misty heard that.
Misty: You have no where to go. You have no education. You have little or no resources. Your living in the middle of Nowhere. Your playing House being a MOM to two children that are not your own. And I am sure everyday those Words are Reinforced to Her by Ron. YOU are nothing. YOU are to do as your told. Lord have mercy.

Sounds to me like a hopeless life for Misty
This Relationship has been wrong from the get go and I believe that Unfortunately " Haleigh" was caught in the cross fire.

 :smt073


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 06:17:13 PM
 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131404&catid=295


Ground Search For Haleigh To End Soon
Posted By: Mike Lyons     Created: 2/15/2009 5:11:45 PM    Updated: 2/15/2009 5:55:56 PM
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PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- The ground search for Haleigh Cummings is expected to end tomorrow unless there are new developments in the case.

Chief Rick Ryan with the the Putnam County Sheriff's Department says the Equusearch firm is wrapping up its search efforts today.

Ryan says the Sheriff's Office will search two more locations on Monday, then suspend any ground searches unless there is a big break in the case.

The search for Haleigh has been going on since Tuesday morning when she was discovered missing from her bed in her mobile home around 3 a.m.

She went to bed around 10 p.m. Monday night but has not been seen since.

Ryan says police have followed up on some 500 tips and leads with no success in finding the 5-year-old.

That includes checking on a missing sex offender in Marion County who has family in Putnam County.

Those family members are doubtful that Chad Reynolds had anything to do with the case.

Law enforcement officials moved the command center from the neighborhood to the Emergency Operations Center in Putnam County to better handle all the calls and tips.

Ryan says they have exhausted every resource including cadaver dogs in the search.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2009, 06:17:38 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/15/amber_alert__haleigh_search_continues_family_puts_aside_feud.html



Amber Alert -- Haleigh Search Draws 500 Leads
Sunday, February 15, 2009 5:13:32 PM

SATSUMA -- Search teams were back out Sunday, on land and on the water, searching for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, who disappeared from her home Monday night.

At a 4 p.m. news conference Sunday, Putnam County deputies said nothing of significance was found on the sixth day of the investigation.  Chief Deputy Rick Ryan said he was confident investigators left no stone unturned in the search area near Haleigh's home.

Ryan said the search team has about two more areas to investigate Monday before concluding the ground search.

“This is not C.S.I.  We can’t wrap this up in an hour, we wish we could,” Ryan said.

Investigators have received well over 500 leads.  However, officials said some of those leads have been from people who are trying to get back at someone, for example “an ex-wife trying to get back at a husband.”

Officials said several people have inquired about Chad Reynolds, a sexual predator who disappeared from Marion County.

Ryan said although Reynolds has ties to Putnam County, investigators do not believe he is connected to Haleigh’s disappearance.

Family Puts Aside Feud
Meanwhile, the rift between Haleigh's family members could be over for the time being.

The family feud could be seen from the first day Haleigh disappeared, when her grandparents on her mother's side questioned stories Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, first gave to detectives when the girl vanished from her Putnam County home.

Croslin told detectives she went to the bathroom, and that when she returned, the girl was gone.

Haleigh's younger brother was also in the same bed with Croslin and Haleigh.

Grandmother Marie Griffis apologized Saturday as both sides came together to celebrate Haleigh's brother's birthday, and to search for the missing 5-year-old.

"We're going to unite for Haleigh, and tomorrow is Junior's birthday," Griffis said. "He'll be 4 years old."

The Sheriff's Office suspended a dive operation Saturday after a dive team turned up nothing related to the case in a thorough, five-day search of the St. Johns River near Haleigh's home.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office said more than 250 volunteers joined the dozens of law enforcement officers in the search effort Saturday, including members of Texas Equusearch, but did not find anything.

A spokesman said news Friday that investigators discovered items of interest in the home turned out to be false.

Investigators said the family is cooperating with the investigation


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 06:36:28 PM
Since the families are uniting and all, I just wonder when the bio mom will snap and stomp the day lights out of dads gf to try to get her to tell them what really happened??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 15, 2009, 06:40:45 PM
Since the families are uniting and all, I just wonder when the bio mom will snap and stomp the day lights out of dads gf to try to get her to tell them what really happened??

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Elaine on February 15, 2009, 06:44:09 PM
Since the families are uniting and all, I just wonder when the bio mom will snap and stomp the day lights out of dads gf to try to get her to tell them what really happened??
I wish she would, but seems that bio Mom is a party girl. In this picture, I wonder if this is Mom's house? The green sign says "Stoner's Way". The poster on the left is Pot, and look at all the whiskey bottles on the shelves there. I also believe that is a beer can in the gals hand, as I see another can of beer in the picture to the bottom left.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 06:44:35 PM
Since the families are uniting and all, I just wonder when the bio mom will snap and stomp the day lights out of dads gf to try to get her to tell them what really happened??

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Oh you know that tempation for me would be too great.......I'd be in cuffs by now ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Elaine on February 15, 2009, 06:46:08 PM
Since the families are uniting and all, I just wonder when the bio mom will snap and stomp the day lights out of dads gf to try to get her to tell them what really happened??
I wish she would, but seems that bio Mom is a party girl. In this picture, I wonder if this is Mom's house? The green sign says "Stoner's Way". The poster on the left is Pot, and look at all the whiskey bottles on the shelves there. I also believe that is a beer can in the gals hand, as I see another can of beer in the picture to the bottom right.
OOOPs forgot to add picture...amd beer can is on bottom right not left,sorry
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j191/meerlyhere/booze.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Elaine on February 15, 2009, 06:48:43 PM
Oh, what i wiouldn't give for an edit button!  The sign says "Stoner Way"....not Stoner's Way.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 06:51:13 PM
Oh, what i wiouldn't give for an edit button!  The sign says "Stoner Way"....not Stoner's Way.


Actually either one works LMAO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 06:51:14 PM
I don't know, I just, looking at the pic in the article where bio mom had her head on Dads shoulder,dad had his head on bio moms head, actually had a flash go through my mind of bio mom stomping dads gf's butt and yelling tell me where she is,tell me what happened,while kicking the crap outta her... If that happens, Im going to be creeped out by myself.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Elaine on February 15, 2009, 06:52:46 PM
Oh, what i wiouldn't give for an edit button!  The sign says "Stoner Way"....not Stoner's Way.


Actually either one works LMAO
How true!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 15, 2009, 06:59:21 PM
Oh, what i wiouldn't give for an edit button!  The sign says "Stoner Way"....not Stoner's Way.


Actually either one works LMAO
How true!

Quite a collection, Vodka, Jack, Gin, Goldchlagers, wine, pot and a Rolling Stone t-shirt. Definitely a party type of place! And a young kids place- cheap shelves (look like the metal garage type) but and electric guitar!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Elaine on February 15, 2009, 07:04:37 PM
Oh, what i wiouldn't give for an edit button!  The sign says "Stoner Way"....not Stoner's Way.


Actually either one works LMAO
How true!

Quite a collection, Vodka, Jack, Gin, Goldchlagers, wine, pot and a Rolling Stone t-shirt. Definitely a party type of place! And a young kids place- cheap shelves (look like the metal garage type) but and electric guitar!
Yes! Then on the top shelf in the center, it looks like a few pictures of Haleigh in a frame.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 15, 2009, 07:05:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coCdGvoE_2U

we see the pics of the party side, I just found this, nicely done...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Elaine on February 15, 2009, 07:12:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coCdGvoE_2U

we see the pics of the party side, I just found this, nicely done...
Very touching, thank you.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: TxLady2 on February 15, 2009, 07:14:49 PM
Wyks

Not sure if it is confirmed that Ron was at work his entire shift or not but early on LE in a presser mentioned that the father was indeed at work.   By that I would think they confirmed that rather immediately.

To my knowledge the only mention of bedwetting was by Misty for that evening, and I watched one of the grandmother's state that Haleigh had not wet the bed in over 2 years in her care.   At this point, yes, I do think people heard that and ran with it...I skimmed several links for Turners Syndrome & there was no direct symptom listed as bedwetting but a few sites indicated kidney/urinary abnormalities at approx 30% in patients

If this sheriff's dept. has any sense, and I assume they do, then they would have confirmed immediately that Ron was at work his entire shift. If they said he was at work... then they have confirmed it, meaning they talked to his supervisor and/or co-workers.
I am interested in who might have seen Haleigh from the time she got home from school until bedtime, if neighbors saw her outside playing or whatever.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 07:19:27 PM
Wyks

Not sure if it is confirmed that Ron was at work his entire shift or not but early on LE in a presser mentioned that the father was indeed at work.   By that I would think they confirmed that rather immediately.

To my knowledge the only mention of bedwetting was by Misty for that evening, and I watched one of the grandmother's state that Haleigh had not wet the bed in over 2 years in her care.   At this point, yes, I do think people heard that and ran with it...I skimmed several links for Turners Syndrome & there was no direct symptom listed as bedwetting but a few sites indicated kidney/urinary abnormalities at approx 30% in patients

If this sheriff's dept. has any sense, and I assume they do, then they would have confirmed immediately that Ron was at work his entire shift. If they said he was at work... then they have confirmed it, meaning they talked to his supervisor and/or co-workers.
I am interested in who might have seen Haleigh from the time she got home from school until bedtime, if neighbors saw her outside playing or whatever.

JMO~but I think the sheriff's office has learned alot from the Caylee case and is holding alot close to the vest, even the searchers weren't given any info until they set out to search and they are still holding the trailer and returning to it over and over. I'm sure they no about whether or not she was at school or if any neighbors saw her Monday after school, but it's in their best interest to keep those details to themselves so the "suspects" won't lawyer up.

I can't recall a case where they have kept the home this long........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: dottie on February 15, 2009, 07:36:45 PM
Oh, what i wiouldn't give for an edit button!  The sign says "Stoner Way"....not Stoner's Way.


Actually either one works LMAO
How true!

Quite a collection, Vodka, Jack, Gin, Goldchlagers, wine, pot and a Rolling Stone t-shirt. Definitely a party type of place! And a young kids place- cheap shelves (look like the metal garage type) but and electric guitar!
Yes! Then on the top shelf in the center, it looks like a few pictures of Haleigh in a frame.
Where are these pictures???  I missed them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 15, 2009, 07:36:49 PM
Geraldo is supposed to have Haleigh's grandmother & aunt (I believe) and also George Anthony tonight at 10pm ET. (Fox)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: perriwinkle on February 15, 2009, 07:39:17 PM
My heart is just breaking for the lives that some little children live.  They are growing up in broken homes with broken people who cannot care for themselves, let alone anyone else.  I am sitting here stunned after watching another tribute video to another precious child, gone.  Where are the parents who are to protect and keep children safe? 
I am not saying these parents hurt this child, but the choices we make to surround ourselves with different people, have an impact on our babies lives.  It is a personal choice to party and to do drugs.  Fine.  But how can that be done when we have children...  YOUNG children in our resposibilty?  In our care? 
Deals go bad, too many drinks, party people learn people are not home at certain times, or where there is a hidden key for emergencies.  They get to know weaknesses.  They will prey on children in that home when least expected.  Parents can get so wasted when their kids are home that they may not even know what is going on with their "guests". 
I pray that they find Haliegh and that she is alive and safe.  I also pray that they look carefully at how this occured and make sure it can't happen again.  I mean...  how does a child go missing that is supposedly sleeping in the bed next to you?
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 07:41:22 PM
Since the families are uniting and all, I just wonder when the bio mom will snap and stomp the day lights out of dads gf to try to get her to tell them what really happened??

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: TxLady2 on February 15, 2009, 07:41:47 PM
I agree that they (SD) are probably keeping some details to themselves, however, I've heard nothing about either he or the bio mom being a 'person of interest' yet. Misty, neither, actually.
Somewhere up thread there are some comments about Misty being responsible for the two kids. I used to babysit my sister's three girls when I was much younger, at 13 and on up. It depends on how responsible someone is. I've known 17 and 18 year olds I wouldn't trust my dog with, and 12 year olds who I would. Misty appears sort of child-like, but she could be very responsible for all we know.
I really hesitate at this point to blame any of them, and as for theories of what happened and who did it, I think it's way too early to be thinking things like maybe Misty beat Haleigh to death and then weighed her body down in the river. Good grief!! We don't even know if the child is dead yet!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 07:48:53 PM
Lord have mercy the names in this case!!  Mysty is my other online nic that I've had since I first got a comp, tho I usually go with Myst or Wyks.  And Haylie is my 5 yr old grand-daughter.  It's very surreal reading these names over and again. 

Did you guys know that Haleigh has a cousin named Kyleigh? (spelling may be off).


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 07:49:18 PM
I agree that they (SD) are probably keeping some details to themselves, however, I've heard nothing about either he or the bio mom being a 'person of interest' yet. Misty, neither, actually.
Somewhere up thread there are some comments about Misty being responsible for the two kids. I used to babysit my sister's three girls when I was much younger, at 13 and on up. It depends on how responsible someone is. I've known 17 and 18 year olds I wouldn't trust my dog with, and 12 year olds who I would. Misty appears sort of child-like, but she could be very responsible for all we know.
I really hesitate at this point to blame any of them, and as for theories of what happened and who did it, I think it's way too early to be thinking things like maybe Misty beat Haleigh to death and then weighed her body down in the river. Good grief!! We don't even know if the child is dead yet!

No we don't, but it certainly isn't looking good. While many may be responsible at 17 or younger to babysit, I think being a full time caregiver would overwhelm her, she seems immature to me. I also don't like the differing stories she's told, and the fact that she's been poly'd twice. I am not saying she did anything to harm to baby, but certainly the lifestyle she and RC were living was not condusive for children.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 07:51:07 PM
My heart is just breaking for the lives that some little children live.  They are growing up in broken homes with broken people who cannot care for themselves, let alone anyone else.  I am sitting here stunned after watching another tribute video to another precious child, gone.  Where are the parents who are to protect and keep children safe? 
I am not saying these parents hurt this child, but the choices we make to surround ourselves with different people, have an impact on our babies lives.  It is a personal choice to party and to do drugs.  Fine.  But how can that be done when we have children...  YOUNG children in our resposibilty?  In our care? 
Deals go bad, too many drinks, party people learn people are not home at certain times, or where there is a hidden key for emergencies.  They get to know weaknesses.  They will prey on children in that home when least expected.  Parents can get so wasted when their kids are home that they may not even know what is going on with their "guests". 
I pray that they find Haliegh and that she is alive and safe.  I also pray that they look carefully at how this occured and make sure it can't happen again.  I mean...  how does a child go missing that is supposedly sleeping in the bed next to you?
 

Thank you~very well put!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: perriwinkle on February 15, 2009, 07:51:27 PM
I am not saying she did anything to harm to baby, but certainly the lifestyle she and RC were living was not condusive for children.

I agree. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 15, 2009, 08:00:34 PM
I just keep thinking that Misty only turned 17 the middle of December. 
She just seems to project to be even younger by observing her interview, her demeanor, voice inflection or lack of, just the whole persona. 
I do realize the strain she was and is, under.  JMO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: perriwinkle on February 15, 2009, 08:04:23 PM
Even if her actions did not DIRECTLY lead to the abduction of this child there may be things that she does not want to share with the police due to fear of arrest.  Also, negligence may have been a factor.  That is all I am saying. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Elaine on February 15, 2009, 08:04:51 PM
Oh, what i wiouldn't give for an edit button!  The sign says "Stoner Way"....not Stoner's Way.


Actually either one works LMAO
How true!

Quite a collection, Vodka, Jack, Gin, Goldchlagers, wine, pot and a Rolling Stone t-shirt. Definitely a party type of place! And a young kids place- cheap shelves (look like the metal garage type) but and electric guitar!
Yes! Then on the top shelf in the center, it looks like a few pictures of Haleigh in a frame.
Where are these pictures???  I missed them.
On the top shelf there is a frame, which looks to have some pictures of children in them, kinda in a collage type setting. However, looking again i can't tell who they are as it is rather small. She does have 3 children, so could even be the other children?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 08:06:40 PM
I just keep thinking that Misty only turned 17 the middle of December. 
She just seems to project to be even younger by observing her interview, her demeanor, voice inflection or lack of, just the whole persona. 
I do realize the strain she was and is, under.  JMO.

I see more than that....how odd is it that she notices Haleigh is missing at the very time RC is supposed to be getting off work? Why does she go into such strange details about the blanket in the van they took (still have no clue WHAT van or who THEY are), why does she wait to call 911 only when RC is home as opposed to 30 minutes earlier when she realizes she is missing? Way too many questions about her action or lack thereof during this, even a 4yr old can call 911 as we have seen in the news. Also, one more thing, why on earth would you stay in the trailer and let the younger son stay if you really belived an intruder had been there-I'd have snatched junior out of that bed so fast and run to the nearest residence screaming my head off, yet she seemed amazingly calm. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2009, 08:11:30 PM
Geraldo is supposed to have Haleigh's grandmother & aunt (I believe) and also George Anthony tonight at 10pm ET. (Fox)

Thanks 2NJ


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 15, 2009, 08:16:17 PM
I just keep thinking that Misty only turned 17 the middle of December. 
She just seems to project to be even younger by observing her interview, her demeanor, voice inflection or lack of, just the whole persona. 
I do realize the strain she was and is, under.  JMO.

I see more than that....how odd is it that she notices Haleigh is missing at the very time RC is supposed to be getting off work? Why does she go into such strange details about the blanket in the van they took (still have no clue WHAT van or who THEY are), why does she wait to call 911 only when RC is home as opposed to 30 minutes earlier when she realizes she is missing? Way too many questions about her action or lack thereof during this, even a 4yr old can call 911 as we have seen in the news. Also, one more thing, why on earth would you stay in the trailer and let the younger son stay if you really belived an intruder had been there-I'd have snatched junior out of that bed so fast and run to the nearest residence screaming my head off, yet she seemed amazingly calm. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Oh, yeah ~ completely agree with ALL you've said ~ I'm wondering if she simply cannot think quickly in a typical situation, much less in an emergency such as this.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 08:20:06 PM
Not sure if we've talked about 'the blankets' or not.  Does this seem to anyone else like Misty has a few different versions on the blankets?  Or could it be just because it's just worded a bit different in the 2nd interview, like she finally found the words she wanted? 


"Ok-- i put her to bed about, you know, eight, o'clock cause that's her bedtime, she has school. I put her to bed and...her blanket and my blanket. My blanket was in the van that they took. So we had a blanket hanging on the window and I had to wash that--and her blanket--her blanket was-- was she-had peed on her blanket the night before, i guess, and i was gonna put it on her but it smelled like pee. So i washed her blanket and i gave her a little sheet to cover up with (voice breaks) and she fell asleep and I went--come in there and put her blanket on her and then I laid down."


"I put Haleigh to bed at 8, because that is her bedtime on school nights. Her blanket smelled like urine, and mine was in the van that Ronald took to work, so I covered her with a sheet and washed her blanket. When it was clean and dried I went in to the bedroom, covered her up, and then laid down and fell asleep. "



First it seems that Misty says she put Haleigh to bed with "her blanket and my blanket", both of them.  But then she immediately follows that with saying that her own blanket was in the van, that Haleigh's blanket had urine on it so she washed it.  Then there's the blanket from the window that she washed.  Why talk about all this when she just ended up covering Haleigh with a sheet from bedtime til 10 pm? 

Wonder how tired a 17 yr old would get from washing so many blankets etc, perhaps over and over?
 
Also wondering what her own blanket was doing in the van. 

Have heard two versions of how the blanket and other bedding got outside.  One that LE took it out there for the dogs to catch Haleigh's scent from, and one that the dogs themselves drug it all out there before following the scent. 

Would like to know more about this van, seems LE took it.  Wonder what else they took? 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 08:20:09 PM
I just keep thinking that Misty only turned 17 the middle of December. 
She just seems to project to be even younger by observing her interview, her demeanor, voice inflection or lack of, just the whole persona. 
I do realize the strain she was and is, under.  JMO.

I see more than that....how odd is it that she notices Haleigh is missing at the very time RC is supposed to be getting off work? Why does she go into such strange details about the blanket in the van they took (still have no clue WHAT van or who THEY are), why does she wait to call 911 only when RC is home as opposed to 30 minutes earlier when she realizes she is missing? Way too many questions about her action or lack thereof during this, even a 4yr old can call 911 as we have seen in the news. Also, one more thing, why on earth would you stay in the trailer and let the younger son stay if you really belived an intruder had been there-I'd have snatched junior out of that bed so fast and run to the nearest residence screaming my head off, yet she seemed amazingly calm. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Oh, yeah ~ completely agree with ALL you've said ~ I'm wondering if she simply cannot think quickly in a typical situation, much less in an emergency such as this.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

You bring up a great point......should dad have let someone be the fulltime caregiver to his two vunerable children to someone who can't even think in a typical situation ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 15, 2009, 08:24:09 PM
It was asked how can someone take someone who is in the same bed or a nearby bed? I believe it happened in the Atlanta Child Murders.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 08:24:10 PM
Not sure if we've talked about 'the blankets' or not.  Does this seem to anyone else like Misty has a few different versions on the blankets?  Or could it be just because it's just worded a bit different in the 2nd interview, like she finally found the words she wanted? 


"Ok-- i put her to bed about, you know, eight, o'clock cause that's her bedtime, she has school. I put her to bed and...her blanket and my blanket. My blanket was in the van that they took. So we had a blanket hanging on the window and I had to wash that--and her blanket--her blanket was-- was she-had peed on her blanket the night before, i guess, and i was gonna put it on her but it smelled like pee. So i washed her blanket and i gave her a little sheet to cover up with (voice breaks) and she fell asleep and I went--come in there and put her blanket on her and then I laid down."


"I put Haleigh to bed at 8, because that is her bedtime on school nights. Her blanket smelled like urine, and mine was in the van that Ronald took to work, so I covered her with a sheet and washed her blanket. When it was clean and dried I went in to the bedroom, covered her up, and then laid down and fell asleep. "



First it seems that Misty says she put Haleigh to bed with "her blanket and my blanket", both of them.  But then she immediately follows that with saying that her own blanket was in the van, that Haleigh's blanket had urine on it so she washed it.  Then there's the blanket from the window that she washed.  Why talk about all this when she just ended up covering Haleigh with a sheet from bedtime til 10 pm? 

Wonder how tired a 17 yr old would get from washing so many blankets etc, perhaps over and over?
 
Also wondering what her own blanket was doing in the van. 
 
Have heard two versions of how the blanket and other bedding got outside.  One that LE took it out there for the dogs to catch Haleigh's scent from, and one that the dogs themselves drug it all out there before following the scent. 

Would like to know more about this van, seems LE took it.  Wonder what else they took? 
 

For some reason I thought he drove a truck ::MonkeyEek:: I also wonder if why she needed to go so in depth about something relatively insignificant...........maybe she never peed on the blanket and she had to wash it for other reasons?? Just tossing that out there, also if the van is not Ron's, then we have yet another missing blanket. Can anyone verify what he drives because I am almost certain it is a truck.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 08:26:44 PM
This SO use to live in Ronald Cumming place of residence before he did.....I think this is the one..

Lane, James Jospeh
Address: 202 Green Ln
City: Satsuma
Crime: Sex Bat/inj Not Likely; F.s. 794.011(5) (principal)
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 1976-12-13
Eye color: Blue
Hair color: Brown
Height: 5'10
Weight: 150 lbs.
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 08:28:49 PM
This SO use to live in Ronald Cumming place of residence before he did.....I think this is the one..

Lane, James Jospeh
Address: 202 Green Ln
City: Satsuma
Crime: Sex Bat/inj Not Likely; F.s. 794.011(5) (principal)
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 1976-12-13
Eye color: Blue
Hair color: Brown
Height: 5'10
Weight: 150 lbs.
Race: White
Based on this official offender page

Already checked-he's in Tallahassee now......not that he couldn't have come back, but to me this seems more like a crime of opportunity with maybe a twist of someone having inside knowledge.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 08:32:43 PM
A couple of things that aren't settling well with me, and others, I've noticed. 

Misty says in one interview that she woke up a little BEFORE 3 am, in another interview it was a little AFTER 3 am, in another interview it was AT 3 am.  Okies.. whatever.  Let's call it around 3 am. 

Ronald got off work at 3 am, and gets home at 3:27 am.   911 is called at 3:40 am. 

Supposedly Misty saw that Haleigh was missing, runs around inside the trailer looking for her, then calls Ronald, just as he was pulling up in the driveway. 

It surely couldn't have taken her much time running thru that place looking, and then to grab the phone.  Yet... If she called Ronald just as he was pulling up into the driveway, it took her like 26 minutes or so before she called him.  What the heck was she doing for at least 20 minutes of that time????????

And his supposed immediate reaction to her (at 3:27 am) was something like... WTF are you telling me for, call 911!!!  She had to have had the phone in hand.  He supposedly went searching thru the trailer himself.  Yet, it took her 13 more minutes to call 911, with him in the background cussing and yelling. 

Would LOVE to see the cell phone records for her and Ronald's phones. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 08:37:45 PM
I just keep thinking that Misty only turned 17 the middle of December. 
She just seems to project to be even younger by observing her interview, her demeanor, voice inflection or lack of, just the whole persona. 
I do realize the strain she was and is, under.  JMO.

I see more than that....how odd is it that she notices Haleigh is missing at the very time RC is supposed to be getting off work? Why does she go into such strange details about the blanket in the van they took (still have no clue WHAT van or who THEY are), why does she wait to call 911 only when RC is home as opposed to 30 minutes earlier when she realizes she is missing? Way too many questions about her action or lack thereof during this, even a 4yr old can call 911 as we have seen in the news. Also, one more thing, why on earth would you stay in the trailer and let the younger son stay if you really belived an intruder had been there-I'd have snatched junior out of that bed so fast and run to the nearest residence screaming my head off, yet she seemed amazingly calm. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yeppers.. I'd definitely be grabbing the boy and getting us out of there. 

Looks like with the rest we were thinking of the same stuff and posting at near the same time.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 08:38:27 PM
A couple of things that aren't settling well with me, and others, I've noticed. 

Misty says in one interview that she woke up a little BEFORE 3 am, in another interview it was a little AFTER 3 am, in another interview it was AT 3 am.  Okies.. whatever.  Let's call it around 3 am. 

Ronald got off work at 3 am, and gets home at 3:27 am.   911 is called at 3:40 am. 

Supposedly Misty saw that Haleigh was missing, runs around inside the trailer looking for her, then calls Ronald, just as he was pulling up in the driveway. 

It surely couldn't have taken her much time running thru that place looking, and then to grab the phone.  Yet... If she called Ronald just as he was pulling up into the driveway, it took her like 26 minutes or so before she called him.  What the heck was she doing for at least 20 minutes of that time????????

And his supposed immediate reaction to her (at 3:27 am) was something like... WTF are you telling me for, call 911!!!  She had to have had the phone in hand.  He supposedly went searching thru the trailer himself.  Yet, it took her 13 more minutes to call 911, with him in the background cussing and yelling. 

Would LOVE to see the cell phone records for her and Ronald's phones. 


I noticed this earlier and she also stated that she called 911 5 minutes after she noticed she was missing (in LE incident report), so, which one was it......it can't be all 3? Alsom in the incident report where she states that she was awake before 3, she stated she noticed Haleigh was missing and then went frantically looking for her AND THEN noticed the back door was open.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 08:38:51 PM
Island,  you have mail..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 08:39:25 PM
I just keep thinking that Misty only turned 17 the middle of December. 
She just seems to project to be even younger by observing her interview, her demeanor, voice inflection or lack of, just the whole persona. 
I do realize the strain she was and is, under.  JMO.

I see more than that....how odd is it that she notices Haleigh is missing at the very time RC is supposed to be getting off work? Why does she go into such strange details about the blanket in the van they took (still have no clue WHAT van or who THEY are), why does she wait to call 911 only when RC is home as opposed to 30 minutes earlier when she realizes she is missing? Way too many questions about her action or lack thereof during this, even a 4yr old can call 911 as we have seen in the news. Also, one more thing, why on earth would you stay in the trailer and let the younger son stay if you really belived an intruder had been there-I'd have snatched junior out of that bed so fast and run to the nearest residence screaming my head off, yet she seemed amazingly calm. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yeppers.. I'd definitely be grabbing the boy and getting us out of there. 

Looks like with the rest we were thinking of the same stuff and posting at near the same time.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyRoll:: tag your it!

Something smells, and it's not my deodorant ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 15, 2009, 08:42:04 PM
A couple of things that aren't settling well with me, and others, I've noticed. 

Misty says in one interview that she woke up a little BEFORE 3 am, in another interview it was a little AFTER 3 am, in another interview it was AT 3 am.  Okies.. whatever.  Let's call it around 3 am. 

Ronald got off work at 3 am, and gets home at 3:27 am.   911 is called at 3:40 am. 

Supposedly Misty saw that Haleigh was missing, runs around inside the trailer looking for her, then calls Ronald, just as he was pulling up in the driveway. 

It surely couldn't have taken her much time running thru that place looking, and then to grab the phone.  Yet... If she called Ronald just as he was pulling up into the driveway, it took her like 26 minutes or so before she called him.  What the heck was she doing for at least 20 minutes of that time????????

And his supposed immediate reaction to her (at 3:27 am) was something like... WTF are you telling me for, call 911!!!  She had to have had the phone in hand.  He supposedly went searching thru the trailer himself.  Yet, it took her 13 more minutes to call 911, with him in the background cussing and yelling. 

Would LOVE to see the cell phone records for her and Ronald's phones. 


I noticed this earlier and she also stated that she called 911 5 minutes after she noticed she was missing (in LE incident report), so, which one was it......it can't be all 3? Alsom in the incident report where she states that she was awake before 3, she stated she noticed Haleigh was missing and then went frantically looking for her AND THEN noticed the back door was open.

This is what I dont get...even at 30 years old if I woke up in the middle of the night and noticed my door open, i would be freaked out and would have 911 on the phone in a second.  And would prolly be running over to my neighbors.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 08:42:05 PM
Island,  you have mail..

Got it~TY


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 15, 2009, 08:44:26 PM
Probably won't state this well, but:

All that convaluted info with the blankets is flashing images of George Anthony and his endless stories of what Caylee was wearing the last time he saw her .... just on and on and you're thinking, what on earth are you talking about....exhausting.  too much info.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 08:45:12 PM
A couple of things that aren't settling well with me, and others, I've noticed. 

Misty says in one interview that she woke up a little BEFORE 3 am, in another interview it was a little AFTER 3 am, in another interview it was AT 3 am.  Okies.. whatever.  Let's call it around 3 am. 

Ronald got off work at 3 am, and gets home at 3:27 am.   911 is called at 3:40 am. 

Supposedly Misty saw that Haleigh was missing, runs around inside the trailer looking for her, then calls Ronald, just as he was pulling up in the driveway. 

It surely couldn't have taken her much time running thru that place looking, and then to grab the phone.  Yet... If she called Ronald just as he was pulling up into the driveway, it took her like 26 minutes or so before she called him.  What the heck was she doing for at least 20 minutes of that time????????

And his supposed immediate reaction to her (at 3:27 am) was something like... WTF are you telling me for, call 911!!!  She had to have had the phone in hand.  He supposedly went searching thru the trailer himself.  Yet, it took her 13 more minutes to call 911, with him in the background cussing and yelling. 

Would LOVE to see the cell phone records for her and Ronald's phones. 


I noticed this earlier and she also stated that she called 911 5 minutes after she noticed she was missing (in LE incident report), so, which one was it......it can't be all 3? Alsom in the incident report where she states that she was awake before 3, she stated she noticed Haleigh was missing and then went frantically looking for her AND THEN noticed the back door was open.

This is what I dont get...even at 30 years old if I woke up in the middle of the night and noticed my door open, i would be freaked out and would have 911 on the phone in a second.  And would prolly be running over to my neighbors.

Yep`Especially if you had just notice a child missing and you still had one in the house......very abnormal IMO. I'd have the whole neighborhood awake and looking for Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 08:47:39 PM
Probably won't state this well, but:

All that convaluted info with the blankets is flashing images of George Anthony and his endless stories of what Caylee was wearing the last time he saw her .... just on and on and you're thinking, what on earth are you talking about....exhausting.  too much info.  ::MonkeyConfused::

EXACTLY............sometimes I think people do this to try and confuse everyone on purpose, looks like they took note from KC, or sometimes you'd do this to explain away info like where IS the blanket  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bikerbev on February 15, 2009, 08:50:52 PM
This case feels like it's going the same road as the A's.  How weird.  That gf just doesn't sit right with me.  Too many different stories she's telling.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 08:52:13 PM
I just keep thinking that Misty only turned 17 the middle of December. 
She just seems to project to be even younger by observing her interview, her demeanor, voice inflection or lack of, just the whole persona. 
I do realize the strain she was and is, under.  JMO.

I see more than that....how odd is it that she notices Haleigh is missing at the very time RC is supposed to be getting off work? Why does she go into such strange details about the blanket in the van they took (still have no clue WHAT van or who THEY are), why does she wait to call 911 only when RC is home as opposed to 30 minutes earlier when she realizes she is missing? Way too many questions about her action or lack thereof during this, even a 4yr old can call 911 as we have seen in the news. Also, one more thing, why on earth would you stay in the trailer and let the younger son stay if you really belived an intruder had been there-I'd have snatched junior out of that bed so fast and run to the nearest residence screaming my head off, yet she seemed amazingly calm. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Oh, yeah ~ completely agree with ALL you've said ~ I'm wondering if she simply cannot think quickly in a typical situation, much less in an emergency such as this.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

You bring up a great point......should dad have let someone be the fulltime caregiver to his two vunerable children to someone who can't even think in a typical situation ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm wondering, since Misty was referred to as the "babysitter" in at least one early media report, if she was his babysitter before they got together as bf/gf...

I agree that one would think Ronald would have gotten a more mature sitter.  And yet, let's remember that Misty IS 17, and many folks think that would be a mature enough age for a couple of older children.  I had a temp live-in girl to care for my 2 and 4 yr old just as my youngest was due, so that they would have care while I was at the hosp. and afterward I'd have the help when I got home.  Of course, she had every phone number of each grandparent, 911 at the top, the hospital number, and two neighbors, with direct instructions to start calling everyone the minute she needed help. 

I think the problem here is that Ronald *may have* done this with Misty and we're just not hearing about it... OR... he could have benefitted greatly with hindsight, perhaps he thought Misty more capable of dealing with a crisis than she appears to actually have been.... OR... they both could be lying their asses off about what was done and that's why it all sounds so whacked. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2009, 08:54:35 PM
What really is bothering me is they are planning on suspending the ground search after tomorrow.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 08:57:43 PM
I just keep thinking that Misty only turned 17 the middle of December. 
She just seems to project to be even younger by observing her interview, her demeanor, voice inflection or lack of, just the whole persona. 
I do realize the strain she was and is, under.  JMO.

I see more than that....how odd is it that she notices Haleigh is missing at the very time RC is supposed to be getting off work? Why does she go into such strange details about the blanket in the van they took (still have no clue WHAT van or who THEY are), why does she wait to call 911 only when RC is home as opposed to 30 minutes earlier when she realizes she is missing? Way too many questions about her action or lack thereof during this, even a 4yr old can call 911 as we have seen in the news. Also, one more thing, why on earth would you stay in the trailer and let the younger son stay if you really belived an intruder had been there-I'd have snatched junior out of that bed so fast and run to the nearest residence screaming my head off, yet she seemed amazingly calm. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Oh, yeah ~ completely agree with ALL you've said ~ I'm wondering if she simply cannot think quickly in a typical situation, much less in an emergency such as this.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

You bring up a great point......should dad have let someone be the fulltime caregiver to his two vunerable children to someone who can't even think in a typical situation ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm wondering, since Misty was referred to as the "babysitter" in at least one early media report, if she was his babysitter before they got together as bf/gf...

I agree that one would think Ronald would have gotten a more mature sitter.  And yet, let's remember that Misty IS 17, and many folks think that would be a mature enough age for a couple of older children.  I had a temp live-in girl to care for my 2 and 4 yr old just as my youngest was due, so that they would have care while I was at the hosp. and afterward I'd have the help when I got home.  Of course, she had every phone number of each grandparent, 911 at the top, the hospital number, and two neighbors, with direct instructions to start calling everyone the minute she needed help. 

I think the problem here is that Ronald *may have* done this with Misty and we're just not hearing about it... OR... he could have benefitted greatly with hindsight, perhaps he thought Misty more capable of dealing with a crisis than she appears to actually have been.... OR... they both could be lying their asses off about what was done and that's why it all sounds so whacked. 



Personally JMO~I think he's using her for more than a gf (cook, housekeeper, babysitter, etc)......he seems abusive and controlling and I'd bet she is afraid of him


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 08:58:27 PM
What really is bothering me is they are planning on suspending the ground search after tomorrow.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 
Yea Klaas that is making me so mad, I know Putnam County and no way has all those woods been searched, no way, They need to just continue on and keep looking, you never know when something was overlooked, this makes me very mad!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 09:01:35 PM
What really is bothering me is they are planning on suspending the ground search after tomorrow.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Same here, klaas!  Wonder if this means the total search or just on the ground?  There's the water.. There's across the water... Sigh.

At any rate, hope this means that LE has an idea of what may have happened and charges against someone may be pending.  They sure seem to be holding things to the vest in this case!! 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 09:03:59 PM
What really is bothering me is they are planning on suspending the ground search after tomorrow.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I know, and even tomorrow it's only two areas........however they are keeping everyone still out of the house. Makes me wonder if LE doesn't already have a good handle on the key players and what's happened and are just waiting for someone to break or find a body. I pray I am wrong, but I have a bad feeling inside ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 09:05:33 PM
What really is bothering me is they are planning on suspending the ground search after tomorrow.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Same here, klaas!  Wonder if this means the total search or just on the ground?  There's the water.. There's across the water... Sigh.

At any rate, hope this means that LE has an idea of what may have happened and charges against someone may be pending.  They sure seem to be holding things to the vest in this case!! 



 ::MonkeyEek:: I'm beginning to think you are reading my mind ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on February 15, 2009, 09:07:11 PM
Probably won't state this well, but:

All that convaluted info with the blankets is flashing images of George Anthony and his endless stories of what Caylee was wearing the last time he saw her .... just on and on and you're thinking, what on earth are you talking about....exhausting.  too much info.  ::MonkeyConfused::

EXACTLY............sometimes I think people do this to try and confuse everyone on purpose, looks like they took note from KC, or sometimes you'd do this to explain away info like where IS the blanket  ::MonkeyWink::

Or maybe she has guilty conscious about something else on that blanket.  Maybe that blanket had evidence - and she has to explain why it is the only clean one in a house of filth?  Now they might be clean freaks, but from what I have seen - not counting on it!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: always 1 on February 15, 2009, 09:08:40 PM
I dont know  - 26 minutes isnt too bad, you have to look under the beds, in the closets, behind the curtains, little kids can hide in the darndest places.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 09:09:50 PM
What really is bothering me is they are planning on suspending the ground search after tomorrow.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Same here, klaas!  Wonder if this means the total search or just on the ground?  There's the water.. There's across the water... Sigh.

At any rate, hope this means that LE has an idea of what may have happened and charges against someone may be pending.  They sure seem to be holding things to the vest in this case!! 



 ::MonkeyEek:: I'm beginning to think you are reading my mind ::MonkeyRoll::
We also have not heard a statement from Tim on the progress of the search. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 09:10:27 PM
Probably won't state this well, but:

All that convaluted info with the blankets is flashing images of George Anthony and his endless stories of what Caylee was wearing the last time he saw her .... just on and on and you're thinking, what on earth are you talking about....exhausting.  too much info.  ::MonkeyConfused::

EXACTLY............sometimes I think people do this to try and confuse everyone on purpose, looks like they took note from KC, or sometimes you'd do this to explain away info like where IS the blanket  ::MonkeyWink::

Or maybe she has guilty conscious about something else on that blanket.  Maybe that blanket had evidence - and she has to explain why it is the only clean one in a house of filth?  Now they might be clean freaks, but from what I have seen - not counting on it!

Good point!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 09:13:06 PM
I dont know  - 26 minutes isnt too bad, you have to look under the beds, in the closets, behind the curtains, little kids can hide in the darndest places.


I think it is especially for the size trailer they were in.....I know you wouldn't wait that long if you knew one of the kids was missing AND the back door was open. Also, couldn't you search while on the phone-we all have cell or cordless phones. Count not for 26 minutes and think how long that is when your child is missing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2009, 09:13:43 PM
What really is bothering me is they are planning on suspending the ground search after tomorrow.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Same here, klaas!  Wonder if this means the total search or just on the ground?  There's the water.. There's across the water... Sigh.

At any rate, hope this means that LE has an idea of what may have happened and charges against someone may be pending.  They sure seem to be holding things to the vest in this case!! 



 ::MonkeyEek:: I'm beginning to think you are reading my mind ::MonkeyRoll::

I sure hope so.  At least in the case of Caylee they had the car with the smell of decomposition. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 09:16:10 PM
I just keep thinking that Misty only turned 17 the middle of December. 
She just seems to project to be even younger by observing her interview, her demeanor, voice inflection or lack of, just the whole persona. 
I do realize the strain she was and is, under.  JMO.

I see more than that....how odd is it that she notices Haleigh is missing at the very time RC is supposed to be getting off work? Why does she go into such strange details about the blanket in the van they took (still have no clue WHAT van or who THEY are), why does she wait to call 911 only when RC is home as opposed to 30 minutes earlier when she realizes she is missing? Way too many questions about her action or lack thereof during this, even a 4yr old can call 911 as we have seen in the news. Also, one more thing, why on earth would you stay in the trailer and let the younger son stay if you really belived an intruder had been there-I'd have snatched junior out of that bed so fast and run to the nearest residence screaming my head off, yet she seemed amazingly calm. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Oh, yeah ~ completely agree with ALL you've said ~ I'm wondering if she simply cannot think quickly in a typical situation, much less in an emergency such as this.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

You bring up a great point......should dad have let someone be the fulltime caregiver to his two vunerable children to someone who can't even think in a typical situation ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm wondering, since Misty was referred to as the "babysitter" in at least one early media report, if she was his babysitter before they got together as bf/gf...

I agree that one would think Ronald would have gotten a more mature sitter.  And yet, let's remember that Misty IS 17, and many folks think that would be a mature enough age for a couple of older children.  I had a temp live-in girl to care for my 2 and 4 yr old just as my youngest was due, so that they would have care while I was at the hosp. and afterward I'd have the help when I got home.  Of course, she had every phone number of each grandparent, 911 at the top, the hospital number, and two neighbors, with direct instructions to start calling everyone the minute she needed help. 

I think the problem here is that Ronald *may have* done this with Misty and we're just not hearing about it... OR... he could have benefitted greatly with hindsight, perhaps he thought Misty more capable of dealing with a crisis than she appears to actually have been.... OR... they both could be lying their asses off about what was done and that's why it all sounds so whacked. 



Personally JMO~I think he's using her for more than a gf (cook, housekeeper, babysitter, etc)......he seems abusive and controlling and I'd bet she is afraid of him

Oh yeah, I sooooo agree!  Seems her reactions have been more in fear of him than from any fear/sadness about Haleigh.  Even in the 911 tapes I can hear her reacting in fear of him and his outbursts, more so than in what she was saying to the dispatcher.  In the interviews she reacts to him and what he says to/about her as well.  She's soooo very young and vulnerable.  Wish her family would have or could have gotten her away from him longgggg before this happened. 

He's seems so very controlling and abusive, as you've said.  I'm actually surprised she even had a phone seperate from his.  Doesn't seem that she had a car tho. 

I was surprised when she said that she went to bed at 10 pm, cuz what typical 17 yr old does that?  And yet... then realized if she's doing all that it seems she is, she may not be getting much sleep on a regular basis. 

Someone gets up with those kids in the morning, and I doubt that it's him, since he works from 3pm to 3am.  And then the lil dude likely keeps her hopping during the day, with Haleigh getting home around 3:30 I guess.  With them in bed for night around 8, she likely then gets to clean the place up.  I read in one interview with her that she was "cleaning" until about 10, then laid down.  When shift workers get off work, they rarely go straight to bed, it's their early evening, usually ready for a meal and a movie etc.  Am betting Ronald wanted her to get up and keep him company until he got tired enough to go to sleep.  And if so, she didn't get much sleep before she must have had to get up with the kids.  Sure doesn't sound like a schedule I'd like to keep, not even (maybe especially, lol) at my old age. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: joesamas mama on February 15, 2009, 09:17:22 PM
What really is bothering me is they are planning on suspending the ground search after tomorrow.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I know, and even tomorrow it's only two areas........however they are keeping everyone still out of the house. Makes me wonder if LE doesn't already have a good handle on the key players and what's happened and are just waiting for someone to break or find a body. I pray I am wrong, but I have a bad feeling inside ::MonkeyNoNo::
I am so behind here, but if they are suspending the search, they have some kind of reason to do it tomorrow. Something in the house is telling LE there was no abduction. IDK, maybe I am wrong. Maybe LE learned from Caylee's investigation. Don't let them stay in the house because evidence will end up in garbage bags on the curb. This is truly sad. Sorry for the rambling, JSM is tired!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 15, 2009, 09:18:02 PM
What really is bothering me is they are planning on suspending the ground search after tomorrow.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Same here, klaas!  Wonder if this means the total search or just on the ground?  There's the water.. There's across the water... Sigh.

At any rate, hope this means that LE has an idea of what may have happened and charges against someone may be pending.  They sure seem to be holding things to the vest in this case!! 



 ::MonkeyEek:: I'm beginning to think you are reading my mind ::MonkeyRoll::

I sure hope so.  At least in the case of Caylee they had the car with the smell of decomposition. 

Exactly. What bothers me about this is they said all of the items of interest that they found last week came back as insignificant   ::MonkeyConfused:: 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2009, 09:18:43 PM
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-15/story/sheriff_scales_back_search_for_haleigh

Sheriff scales back search for Haleigh
With 500 leads in six days, main operations move back to Sheriff's Office.

By Dana Treen Story updated at 8:04 PM on Sunday, Feb. 15, 2009

SATSUMA ­— On Sunday as investigators were deciding to close the intense ground searches for missing Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings, her father worked the woods on horseback to find his little girl.

“I tried to discourage him from going out,” said Tim Miller, founder of EquuSearch, a Texas-based group specializing in horseback and all-terrain searches that was called by investigators to look for Haleigh. “He said, 'If I get on a horse I can clear my head and feel as if I’m really out there searching for my daughter.’ ”
In a break between rides into the woods, Miller said the benefit of including Ronald Cummings in the search was weighed against concern about what he might find.

 But it turned out okay.

“He literally looks like a different person,” Miller said. “I think this has done him a lot of good.”


But on the sixth day of searching there were no breakthroughs and no significant finds, said Chief Rick Ryan of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office. By the end of the day, work by Miller’s volunteer group was suspended and main investigative operations were moved back to Palatka, where detectives will be closer to the Sheriff’s Office for interviews and communications facilities are better.

A temporary command post in the South Putnam neighborhood where Haleigh disappeared was dismantled. Investigators have fielded more than 500 leads since she was reported missing at 3:27 a.m. Tuesday, Ryan said.

“They are continuing to follow up those leads,” he said. “We had some interviews today and we will have some interviews tomorrow.”

Detectives will also continue to build a 30-day timeline of who Haleigh was in contact with and follow leads. Ryan said the value of the ground searches was diminishing, although search groups will be held on standby for new developments.

“We’re not sending people out there to make a show,” he said. “At some point we knew we were going to have to scale back if we didn’t find anything.”

Ryan said Sheriff Jeff Hardy spoke to both of Haleigh’s parents, who supported the decision. Families of Ronald Cunningham and Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, who lives in Baker County, are camped separately down the road from each other.

Ryan said the doublewide mobile home where Cummings and girlfriend Misty Croslin lived with Haleigh and Ronald Cummings Jr. would not yet be released in case new information leads back to the home.

A troubling report of a sexual predator with an arrest warrant who had vanished from Marion County and who has relatives in next-door Putnam led detectives to interview his  family in Putnam.

Ryan said the interviews convinced detectives he did not have any connection to the case.

Woods within a 5-mile radius of where the 39-pound girl disappeared have been combed by volunteers including more than 170 Sunday who were joined by more than 130 law enforcement officers. Forty marine officers and divers were on the river Sunday, Ryan said.

On a cool Sunday morning as congregants of Hope Lutheran Church pulled sweaters close as they left the small Satsuma church, the Rev. Jake Brey said he had told them not to give up hope for the kindergartener’s safe return.

As an ex-cop from South Florida, the 62-year-old pastor has a perspective from his former career.

He said he has watched as investigators have interviewed and re-interviewed family and friends of the missing kindergartener.

 “Don’t pre-judge,” he said. Family and friends are the first to be scrutinized. “It’s hardship enough without deciding already who’s guilty and who isn’t.”

Throughout the week, vigils have been held and one is planned for Tuesday evening at Dunns Creek Baptist Church on U.S. 17 in San Mateo north of Satsuma.

Normalcy is hard to come by in the community now. Standing outside Cummings’ canopy and tarp shelter, family friend Autumn Marchand said even her 3-year-old daughter wants to reach out.

“’Mommy I want to help Haleigh come home,” the little girl declared, Marchand said.

But Haleigh is not home, and remained gone on what would have been a special day in her family’s year. Little Ronald Jr. turned 4. Cake was bought and presents wrapped and a party was planned, Marchand said. Just when Sunday wasn’t set.

Not far away and not long after, where the horse searches were staging, searcher Tim Miller said his group is also involved in a search for a 3-year-old in Arkansas and a 14-year-old in Mississippi.

“Unfortunately, we’re losing too many children,” he said.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 09:18:53 PM
What really is bothering me is they are planning on suspending the ground search after tomorrow.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Same here, klaas!  Wonder if this means the total search or just on the ground?  There's the water.. There's across the water... Sigh.

At any rate, hope this means that LE has an idea of what may have happened and charges against someone may be pending.  They sure seem to be holding things to the vest in this case!! 



 ::MonkeyEek:: I'm beginning to think you are reading my mind ::MonkeyRoll::

I sure hope so.  At least in the case of Caylee they had the car with the smell of decomposition. 

Klaas~what's your take on LE's positions and how tight lipped they've been?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 09:20:02 PM
What really is bothering me is they are planning on suspending the ground search after tomorrow.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Same here, klaas!  Wonder if this means the total search or just on the ground?  There's the water.. There's across the water... Sigh.

At any rate, hope this means that LE has an idea of what may have happened and charges against someone may be pending.  They sure seem to be holding things to the vest in this case!! 



 ::MonkeyEek:: I'm beginning to think you are reading my mind ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Okies, I'll quit.   mwahahaha  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 09:27:45 PM
Probably won't state this well, but:

All that convaluted info with the blankets is flashing images of George Anthony and his endless stories of what Caylee was wearing the last time he saw her .... just on and on and you're thinking, what on earth are you talking about....exhausting.  too much info.  ::MonkeyConfused::

EXACTLY............sometimes I think people do this to try and confuse everyone on purpose, looks like they took note from KC, or sometimes you'd do this to explain away info like where IS the blanket  ::MonkeyWink::

Or maybe she has guilty conscious about something else on that blanket.  Maybe that blanket had evidence - and she has to explain why it is the only clean one in a house of filth?  Now they might be clean freaks, but from what I have seen - not counting on it!
I did think about something else on blanket and it would probably take at least an hour to wash and dry.  The yard of trailer seems to be well maintained, a couple of toy is to be expected.  We haven't seen a picture of the inside have we?  My bet is the 17 yr old slave keeps it neat as a pin.  Just a guess.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: COgal on February 15, 2009, 09:31:26 PM
Leroy,

I like your white GSD.  I have one also.  She is 3 years old.  Sweet dogs:)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2009, 09:31:40 PM
Once again Tim Miller's heart of gold is shining through.

I hope the family is not reading here.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I just have a hard time trashing victims or their families after what was done
in the Natalee Holloway case until there is proof of their involvement.  Don't think being dumb and young counts because if it did, there are far too many who qualify.  Remember LE in that case accused the family of being behind her disappearance to collect insurance money.  There wasn't even a policy.

And the reporting in this is terrible both from the media and LE.  Maybe they will ALL settle on one version of events soon.

Not enough info yet IMMHO.  Perhaps the search is being called off because there are not enough volunteers during the week when most are at work.  Also could be the LE expects to have some information back on forensics by then and could be thinking an arrest imminent.  I do think this will be solved in pretty short order because seems LE involved much more quickly than the 30 days for Caylee.

Just my thoughts. . . .



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2009, 09:32:09 PM
IslandMonkey - I don't know what to think.  I really wonder about the GF, not so much the dad.  I just don't have a good feeling about the GF and the possibility she could have friends coming in and out when dad is at work. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 09:37:25 PM
IslandMonkey - I don't know what to think.  I really wonder about the GF, not so much the dad.  I just don't have a good feeling about the GF and the possibility she could have friends coming in and out when dad is at work. 

I think that is a strong possibility, after all she just turned 17 and surely she still has the desire to be carefree sometimes, and after dad goes to work would be the perfect opportunity........just curious as to who these friends could be and am hoping that she's being honest with LE regarding them. There are so many SO's there and if you haven't checked the registry you'd never know, not to mention the unregistered one.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 09:37:46 PM
Quote by Tim Miller
“Unfortunately, we’re losing too many children”

My heart breaks for Tim, I think Caylee took a very big toll on him.  I pray that he continues to receive strength so that he can continue his very important work.


It does strike me odd that the father is out searching now, but when he got home the night of Haleigh's disappearance he didn't immediately leave his home and look around.  With his temper I don't think Misty could have stopped him, if that's what he put his mind to.  The anger in the 911 call and threats still makes me wonder if he didn't have a culprit in mind.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 09:46:03 PM
Probably won't state this well, but:

All that convaluted info with the blankets is flashing images of George Anthony and his endless stories of what Caylee was wearing the last time he saw her .... just on and on and you're thinking, what on earth are you talking about....exhausting.  too much info.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I think that's stated well, and I agree.  Bet each was done with the similiar intentions, to get the focus off whatever they didn't want talked about. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 15, 2009, 09:47:11 PM
http://www.staugustine.com/stories/021509/news_0215009_043.shtml

Missing Girl

SATSUMA -- A couple crawled alongside a road on an all-terrain vehicle, their heads pointed toward the wood line as they apparently watched for something -- anything -- that might have been overlooked.

But like the hundreds of volunteers and police officers who searched this rural part of Putnam County on Saturday, looking for any sign of Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings, they found nothing.

The fifth day of the search for the 5-year-old who was reported missing early Tuesday was as fruitless as the first four.

At a news conference, Putnam County Sheriff's Chief Rick Ryan said the "items of interest" that were discovered Friday weren't related to the case.

"Our crime lab folks have taken a look at those, and they've determined that they're of no significance to the investigation," Ryan said. "Basically, the philosophy is, if it didn't grow there we want to look at it."

He would not say what those items were but said investigators were "glad" they had no bearing on the case.

At about 3:30 a.m. Tuesday, Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, 25, reportedly returned home from his job at a Palatka plant that manufactures steel girders for bridges. At about the same time, Cummings' 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, woke up to go to the bathroom and saw that Haleigh was not in bed.

Croslin called 911 and said the rear door to Cummings' manufactured home had been propped open. She said she locked it before putting Haleigh and her little brother, Ronald Cummings Jr., to bed.

During the call, Cummings is heard telling the dispatcher, "I'm telling you, if I find whoever has my daughter before you all do I'm killing him. I don't care. I'll spend the rest of my life in prison."

In an interview Saturday, Sheriff's Lt. Johnny Greenwood said the case was being treated as an abduction because investigators had found nothing to indicate the girl had been harmed.

That leaves them with the scenarios that she was taken from bed or she walked out of the house. In the latter case she likely would have been abducted as well, Greenwood said.

"After five days, if she did wander off, most likely she would have been picked up," he said.

On Saturday, as they had since Tuesday, about 250 volunteers searched on land for Haleigh, divers combed the nearby St. Johns River, and helicopters were sent up to look down on the heavily wooded surroundings.

The river search would be suspended today because the dives had yielded only a few logs and a refrigerator lying on the riverbed. But Ryan said the change was not a signal that the overall search would be scaled back.

"We're as optimistic right now as we were on Day One that we're going to find Haleigh," he said, "and we will remain optimistic and, as we've said all along, we're not going to stop looking for her."

A reporter asked, "Optimistic you're going to find her alive?"

"That's our goal," Ryan replied.

By Day Five, many of the television-satellite trucks had left the area as there was little to indicate the search would end soon.

But more stuffed animals and notes had been left for Haleigh on a fence near where her mother, Crystal Sheffield, 23, of Glen St. Mary, is keeping vigil during daylight with her family.

Written on a red, heart-shaped card were the crayon-colored words, "Haleigh happy Valentines day friend."



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 09:47:23 PM
This case feels like it's going the same road as the A's.  How weird.  That gf just doesn't sit right with me.  Too many different stories she's telling.

Yeppers!!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 09:50:06 PM
Quote by Tim Miller
“Unfortunately, we’re losing too many children”

My heart breaks for Tim, I think Caylee took a very big toll on him.  I pray that he continues to receive strength so that he can continue his very important work.


It does strike me odd that the father is out searching now, but when he got home the night of Haleigh's disappearance he didn't immediately leave his home and look around.  With his temper I don't think Misty could have stopped him, if that's what he put his mind to.  The anger in the 911 call and threats still makes me wonder if he didn't have a culprit in mind.

Tim IS a one in a billion~too bad there aren't more TM's out there.........I'd don't know how he even has the strength he does as I can't imagine all the sorrow and gried he deals with daily, but I expect he will keep on honoring Laura's memory and her life by doing what he promised her, finding the lost.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: tcumom on February 15, 2009, 10:02:39 PM
Geraldo on now with bio Mom and her mother.  Fox.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Blue Moon on February 15, 2009, 10:03:23 PM
http://www.staugustine.com/stories/021509/news_0215009_043.shtml

Missing Girl

SATSUMA -- A couple crawled alongside a road on an all-terrain vehicle, their heads pointed toward the wood line as they apparently watched for something -- anything -- that might have been overlooked.

But like the hundreds of volunteers and police officers who searched this rural part of Putnam County on Saturday, looking for any sign of Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings, they found nothing.

The fifth day of the search for the 5-year-old who was reported missing early Tuesday was as fruitless as the first four.

At a news conference, Putnam County Sheriff's Chief Rick Ryan said the "items of interest" that were discovered Friday weren't related to the case.

"Our crime lab folks have taken a look at those, and they've determined that they're of no significance to the investigation," Ryan said. "Basically, the philosophy is, if it didn't grow there we want to look at it."

He would not say what those items were but said investigators were "glad" they had no bearing on the case.

At about 3:30 a.m. Tuesday, Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, 25, reportedly returned home from his job at a Palatka plant that manufactures steel girders for bridges. At about the same time, Cummings' 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, woke up to go to the bathroom and saw that Haleigh was not in bed.

Croslin called 911 and said the rear door to Cummings' manufactured home had been propped open. She said she locked it before putting Haleigh and her little brother, Ronald Cummings Jr., to bed.

During the call, Cummings is heard telling the dispatcher, "I'm telling you, if I find whoever has my daughter before you all do I'm killing him. I don't care. I'll spend the rest of my life in prison."

In an interview Saturday, Sheriff's Lt. Johnny Greenwood said the case was being treated as an abduction because investigators had found nothing to indicate the girl had been harmed.

That leaves them with the scenarios that she was taken from bed or she walked out of the house. In the latter case she likely would have been abducted as well, Greenwood said.

"After five days, if she did wander off, most likely she would have been picked up," he said.

On Saturday, as they had since Tuesday, about 250 volunteers searched on land for Haleigh, divers combed the nearby St. Johns River, and helicopters were sent up to look down on the heavily wooded surroundings.

The river search would be suspended today because the dives had yielded only a few logs and a refrigerator lying on the riverbed. But Ryan said the change was not a signal that the overall search would be scaled back.

"We're as optimistic right now as we were on Day One that we're going to find Haleigh," he said, "and we will remain optimistic and, as we've said all along, we're not going to stop looking for her."

A reporter asked, "Optimistic you're going to find her alive?"

"That's our goal," Ryan replied.

By Day Five, many of the television-satellite trucks had left the area as there was little to indicate the search would end soon.

But more stuffed animals and notes had been left for Haleigh on a fence near where her mother, Crystal Sheffield, 23, of Glen St. Mary, is keeping vigil during daylight with her family.

Written on a red, heart-shaped card were the crayon-colored words, "Haleigh happy Valentines day friend."



Ronald specifically stated that he LOCKED that back door and always checked it before leaving for work.  So did Misty go out after Ronald left for work and leave those kids inside alone?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 10:12:03 PM
Grandma is trying to give the impression she is having psychic impressions  hearing Georgia / Alabama. Believes she is out of the state but ok.

In my humble not so psychic impression, maternal grandma knows something.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 10:12:06 PM
On Geraldo just now, Haleigh's mom said that when she's at her house and wakes in the night, she cries and comes looking for her. 

Taking that one step further.......

What if Haleigh did indeed wake in the night, crying, looking for Misty... and what if Misty wasn't there, having gone over to her brother's........  ?? 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 10:13:47 PM
Looks like George, who is coming up, is not at the scene.  He has those artificial books as a back drop.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 10:14:22 PM
coming up next on Geraldo, George Anthony on the search for Haleigh  ugggggggg   hes everywhere, gosh...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2009, 10:15:01 PM
Grandma is trying to give the impression she is having psychic impressions  hearing Georgia / Alabama. Believes she is out of the state but ok.

In my humble not so psychic impression, maternal grandma knows something.
She doesn't seem very worried does she?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 15, 2009, 10:15:55 PM
Once again Tim Miller's heart of gold is shining through.

I hope the family is not reading here.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I just have a hard time trashing victims or their families after what was done
in the Natalee Holloway case until there is proof of their involvement.  Don't think being dumb and young counts because if it did, there are far too many who qualify.  Remember LE in that case accused the family of being behind her disappearance to collect insurance money.  There wasn't even a policy.

And the reporting in this is terrible both from the media and LE.  Maybe they will ALL settle on one version of events soon.

Not enough info yet IMMHO.  Perhaps the search is being called off because there are not enough volunteers during the week when most are at work.  Also could be the LE expects to have some information back on forensics by then and could be thinking an arrest imminent.  I do think this will be solved in pretty short order because seems LE involved much more quickly than the 30 days for Caylee.

Just my thoughts. . . .



Amen, Anna! (I put bolded letters in you quote)

And I wish some would stop looking down on them because they live in a mobile home and not a stick house. Anyone check the prices of homes??? even though it is said the prices are dropping? Well, 30% off a $300,000 home doesn't still make it affordable.

Mobile homes are a good way for people to get to live in a home, but then again look at the price of mobile homes in

Laguna Niguel, California
Estimated median household income in 2007: $100,557 (it was $80,733 in 2000)
Laguna Niguel:     $100,557
California:     $59,948

Estimated median house or condo value in 2007: $958,719 (it was $361,700 in 2000)
Laguna Niguel:     $958,719
California:     $532,300

Mean prices in 2007: All housing units: $946,617; Detached houses: $1,086,965; Townhouses or other attached units: $678,299; In 2-unit structures: $324,571; In 3-to-4-unit structures: $489,655; In 5-or-more-unit structures: $495,984; Mobile homes: $316,875

Now, of course most of these are along the ocean and the price doesn't include the probably $1500 each month of rent. These probably have a pool etc.

Now look at a city near LAX:
Estimated median household income in 2007: $65,767 (it was $51,792 in 2000)
this city:     $65,767
California:     $59,948

Estimated median house or condo value in 2007: $795,314 (it was $271,900 in 2000)
this city:     $795,314
California:     $532,300

Mean prices in 2007: All housing units: $633,637; Detached houses: $765,265; Townhouses or other attached units: $639,726; In 2-unit structures: $783,581; In 3-to-4-unit structures: $656,943; In 5-or-more-unit structures: $351,193; Mobile homes: $38,507


Ha, the lowest one in this city of only 170 mobile homes was $48,000 and you have to pay cash, plus shareholder fee of $1500 (one time) if your HOA owns the land and "rent" of $500 plus utilities. Only the largest MH Park has double wides and they go for $100,000+.

Another thing not known, is that you can hardly get any financing to buy an older mobile home. Newer ones can get financing via Warren Buffet's co which I think is 21st

and while I am on the personal rant.... any mobile home built before 1984 and HUD is called a trailer.


This above on homes, incomes, etc  came from http://www.city-data.com/ (http://www.city-data.com/) and I will email them about the ave. cost of mobile homes they listed above. See some you pay property tax on and some you pay a fee to the state dept of housing or something. If you pay to the state agency you can have your records made nonpublic for extra money. I cannot figure how they got the mean price of $38,500. Doesn't "mean" mean 1/2 above and 1/2 below.

If you haven't guessed, I live in a trailer (1960 model) with an addon. with FEMA extra steel bracing underneath for earthquakes. There isn't one here for sale (for we aren't allowed to rent) under $82,000. I have been here 5 yrs.. I have know my neighbors and they have been so helpful to me and vice-versa compared to when I lived in a more affluent area for the 34 years previous and you can guess where that was by reading the Donna Jou tread.. ie: NE of toolbox area next to Fox.


Good Monkeys,
I tried to find cities around Haleigh's home put couldn't. I don't know all the cities around there so maybe one of our good Monkeys can find out.

PS... go to white pages, melissadata.com and all. start getting your name, address out of the public. Granted it takes time.

I have learned more than I ever wanted to know about evil from being a Scared Monkey but on the greater hand I have learned more about Good.

Thanks for listening.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 15, 2009, 10:18:14 PM
Oh dear, anyone watching Geraldo.....sounds like MIsty suspects her cousin who has a history of "messing" with Misty   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 10:18:49 PM
Hmmm.. on geraldo, a 'crimetime alert' says that Misty suspects that a cousin may have take Haleigh.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 10:23:18 PM
OK  now Im about to go off on these people, now how the hell do you let a cousin that molested you come around you ever again and then also come into contact with a child, OMG  are these people crazy or what, Get real, if my cousin messed with me when I was little I wouldnt ever want to see his face again, this is unbeleivable,   I do not understand.......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 10:23:38 PM
Oh dear, anyone watching Geraldo.....sounds like MIsty suspects her cousin who has a history of "messing" with Misty   ::MonkeyShocked::
From the very beginning it sounded like grandpa and dad had an idea of who could have taken her.

The thing is the $25,000 reward by Leonard, no cops, deal directly with him.  Hard to pass up if you have an alive 5 yr old. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 10:25:00 PM
Once again Tim Miller's heart of gold is shining through.

I hope the family is not reading here.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I just have a hard time trashing victims or their families after what was done
in the Natalee Holloway case until there is proof of their involvement.  Don't think being dumb and young counts because if it did, there are far too many who qualify.  Remember LE in that case accused the family of being behind her disappearance to collect insurance money.  There wasn't even a policy.

And the reporting in this is terrible both from the media and LE.  Maybe they will ALL settle on one version of events soon.

Not enough info yet IMMHO.  Perhaps the search is being called off because there are not enough volunteers during the week when most are at work.  Also could be the LE expects to have some information back on forensics by then and could be thinking an arrest imminent.  I do think this will be solved in pretty short order because seems LE involved much more quickly than the 30 days for Caylee.

Just my thoughts. . . .



Amen, Anna! (I put bolded letters in you quote)

And I wish some would stop looking down on them because they live in a mobile home and not a stick house. Anyone check the prices of homes??? even though it is said the prices are dropping? Well, 30% off a $300,000 home doesn't still make it affordable.

Mobile homes are a good way for people to get to live in a home, but then again look at the price of mobile homes in

Laguna Niguel, California
Estimated median household income in 2007: $100,557 (it was $80,733 in 2000)
Laguna Niguel:     $100,557
California:     $59,948

Estimated median house or condo value in 2007: $958,719 (it was $361,700 in 2000)
Laguna Niguel:     $958,719
California:     $532,300

Mean prices in 2007: All housing units: $946,617; Detached houses: $1,086,965; Townhouses or other attached units: $678,299; In 2-unit structures: $324,571; In 3-to-4-unit structures: $489,655; In 5-or-more-unit structures: $495,984; Mobile homes: $316,875

Now, of course most of these are along the ocean and the price doesn't include the probably $1500 each month of rent. These probably have a pool etc.

Now look at a city near LAX:
Estimated median household income in 2007: $65,767 (it was $51,792 in 2000)
this city:     $65,767
California:     $59,948

Estimated median house or condo value in 2007: $795,314 (it was $271,900 in 2000)
this city:     $795,314
California:     $532,300

Mean prices in 2007: All housing units: $633,637; Detached houses: $765,265; Townhouses or other attached units: $639,726; In 2-unit structures: $783,581; In 3-to-4-unit structures: $656,943; In 5-or-more-unit structures: $351,193; Mobile homes: $38,507


Ha, the lowest one in this city of only 170 mobile homes was $48,000 and you have to pay cash, plus shareholder fee of $1500 (one time) if your HOA owns the land and "rent" of $500 plus utilities. Only the largest MH Park has double wides and they go for $100,000+.

Another thing not known, is that you can hardly get any financing to buy an older mobile home. Newer ones can get financing via Warren Buffet's co which I think is 21st

and while I am on the personal rant.... any mobile home built before 1984 and HUD is called a trailer.


This above on homes, incomes, etc  came from http://www.city-data.com/ (http://www.city-data.com/) and I will email them about the ave. cost of mobile homes they listed above. See some you pay property tax on and some you pay a fee to the state dept of housing or something. If you pay to the state agency you can have your records made nonpublic for extra money. I cannot figure how they got the mean price of $38,500. Doesn't "mean" mean 1/2 above and 1/2 below.

If you haven't guessed, I live in a trailer (1960 model) with an addon. with FEMA extra steel bracing underneath for earthquakes. There isn't one here for sale (for we aren't allowed to rent) under $82,000. I have been here 5 yrs.. I have know my neighbors and they have been so helpful to me and vice-versa compared to when I lived in a more affluent area for the 34 years previous and you can guess where that was by reading the Donna Jou tread.. ie: NE of toolbox area next to Fox.


Good Monkeys,
I tried to find cities around Haleigh's home put couldn't. I don't know all the cities around there so maybe one of our good Monkeys can find out.

PS... go to white pages, melissadata.com and all. start getting your name, address out of the public. Granted it takes time.

I have learned more than I ever wanted to know about evil from being a Scared Monkey but on the greater hand I have learned more about Good.

Thanks for listening.

IBE~I hope no one thinks I'm looking down on them for living in a mobile home, I did in kindergarten. It's gf's changing stories about more than one fact many times, their lifestyle (drug charges, DV, general run in's with LE etc), and the fact they were the last one's to see her. We aren't doing anything LE isn't looking into, first rule out the family then move on. Sadly, I don't think LE has been able to rule them out just yet due to their timeline and changing stories. Not to mention that in Florida a 25 yr old and a 16 yr old (she just turned 17) could earn RC a designation as a SO himself.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 15, 2009, 10:25:20 PM
Hmmm.. on geraldo, a 'crimetime alert' says that Misty suspects that a cousin may have take Haleigh.   ::MonkeyEek::


Good grief and the tooth fairy is next........................... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 10:26:29 PM
OK  now Im about to go off on these people, now how the hell do you let a cousin that molested you come around you ever again and then also come into contact with a child, OMG  are these people crazy or what, Get real, if my cousin messed with me when I was little I wouldnt ever want to see his face again, this is unbelievable,   I do not understand.......
Its a way of life for some women.  It is expected.  Even some religions/cults condone this.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 10:26:35 PM
Oh dear, anyone watching Geraldo.....sounds like MIsty suspects her cousin who has a history of "messing" with Misty   ::MonkeyShocked::


 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: D@mn, I am watching the all star game with my son, so pls update in DETAIL.

WTF~If she knew this why in the h@ll wouldn't she tell someone............


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 15, 2009, 10:28:29 PM
George really doesn't have a clue what to say.  He just keeps repeating the same thing.  The media isn't going to get their monies worth out of him.  Maybe the big bucks go to hear Cindy speak.  Oh, I hope not.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 10:30:20 PM
Oh dear, anyone watching Geraldo.....sounds like MIsty suspects her cousin who has a history of "messing" with Misty   ::MonkeyShocked::


 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: D@mn, I am watching the all star game with my son, so pls update in DETAIL.

WTF~If she knew this why in the h@ll wouldn't she tell someone............
Misty had said that a cousin of hers from Tennessee had been down to visit a couple months ago and this is the same cousin that messed with her when she was a bout 13, and he even stole a gun from Ronald before he left, these people are crazy,,,,,,


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 10:30:38 PM
OK  now Im about to go off on these people, now how the hell do you let a cousin that molested you come around you ever again and then also come into contact with a child, OMG  are these people crazy or what, Get real, if my cousin messed with me when I was little I wouldnt ever want to see his face again, this is unbeleivable,   I do not understand.......
Ok~now I am officially PIZZED, wtf? Why on earth would you even let this monster near these two babies ::MonkeyWaa:: it's like putting candy in front of a baby. I knew she had said she was molested and thought that would have made her more aware of what to look for. God pls don't let her have let the cousin abuse her knowingly......that would explain washing the blanket though...I'm gonna be sick ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 10:32:55 PM
OK  now Im about to go off on these people, now how the hell do you let a cousin that molested you come around you ever again and then also come into contact with a child, OMG  are these people crazy or what, Get real, if my cousin messed with me when I was little I wouldnt ever want to see his face again, this is unbelievable,   I do not understand.......
Its a way of life for some women.  It is expected.  Even some religions/cults condone this.
well I dont think it was condoned and anyway they should never let this so called cousin around any other children, he is a sex offender now and I dont think they have located him yet, so I hope LE does find him and if he had anything to do with Haleigh missing I bet the LE wont condone him....or his behavour..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: dottie on February 15, 2009, 10:32:58 PM


Have they located the cousin???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bikerbev on February 15, 2009, 10:33:17 PM
What is misty's last name?  If her first cousin did this, on her father's side, they should have the same last name.  And we know this guy is from TN....I'm not a very good detective, but I checked the TN sex offenders list and you have to put in a name. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 15, 2009, 10:33:59 PM
Very hard to watch Geraldo......jmo......they are trying to put too much in their time slot.  jmho   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 10:34:40 PM
What is misty's last name?  If her first cousin did this, on her father's side, they should have the same last name.  And we know this guy is from TN....I'm not a very good detective, but I checked the TN sex offenders list and you have to put in a name. 

croslin


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bikerbev on February 15, 2009, 10:40:44 PM
What is misty's last name?  If her first cousin did this, on her father's side, they should have the same last name.  And we know this guy is from TN....I'm not a very good detective, but I checked the TN sex offenders list and you have to put in a name. 

croslin
Thanks!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 10:41:42 PM
What is misty's last name?  If her first cousin did this, on her father's side, they should have the same last name.  And we know this guy is from TN....I'm not a very good detective, but I checked the TN sex offenders list and you have to put in a name. 
They said on Geraldo that the only picture they could find of sex offenders in Tennessee that had the right name they showed the picture to Mistie and it wasnt the right one, so perhaps he isnt listed in Tennessee I dont know!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 15, 2009, 10:44:14 PM
What is misty's last name?  If her first cousin did this, on her father's side, they should have the same last name.  And we know this guy is from TN....I'm not a very good detective, but I checked the TN sex offenders list and you have to put in a name. 
They said on Geraldo that the only picture they could find of sex offenders in Tennessee that had the right name they showed the picture to Mistie and it wasnt the right one, so perhaps he isnt listed in Tennessee I dont know!

Thanks HH, I was just going to mention that because I am confused...it sounded like the reporter said the cousin was in fact a registered sex offender though   ::MonkeyConfused:: 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 10:47:16 PM
What is misty's last name?  If her first cousin did this, on her father's side, they should have the same last name.  And we know this guy is from TN....I'm not a very good detective, but I checked the TN sex offenders list and you have to put in a name. 
They said on Geraldo that the only picture they could find of sex offenders in Tennessee that had the right name they showed the picture to Mistie and it wasnt the right one, so perhaps he isnt listed in Tennessee I dont know!

Thanks HH, I was just going to mention that because I am confused...it sounded like the reporter said the cousin was in fact a registered sex offender though   ::MonkeyConfused:: 
Yea he did, but the only picture they could find was from the wrong guy, must be 2 with that name,    it shouldnt be hard to find a pic of him though if he is family, surely someone has a pic of him from years ago or something...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bikerbev on February 15, 2009, 10:48:01 PM
What is misty's last name?  If her first cousin did this, on her father's side, they should have the same last name.  And we know this guy is from TN....I'm not a very good detective, but I checked the TN sex offenders list and you have to put in a name. 
They said on Geraldo that the only picture they could find of sex offenders in Tennessee that had the right name they showed the picture to Mistie and it wasnt the right one, so perhaps he isnt listed in Tennessee I dont know!

Thanks HH, I was just going to mention that because I am confused...it sounded like the reporter said the cousin was in fact a registered sex offender though   ::MonkeyConfused:: 
I was just reading that in TN if the sexual offense happened before 1991 there was a law saying they don't have to be listed to the public, only to law enforcement.  After 1991, the list became public.  I also looked up Misty's myspace and it lists her as 19, but she has only two pictures of herself, no friends, no comments.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 10:49:35 PM
What is misty's last name?  If her first cousin did this, on her father's side, they should have the same last name.  And we know this guy is from TN....I'm not a very good detective, but I checked the TN sex offenders list and you have to put in a name. 
They said on Geraldo that the only picture they could find of sex offenders in Tennessee that had the right name they showed the picture to Mistie and it wasnt the right one, so perhaps he isnt listed in Tennessee I dont know!

Thanks HH, I was just going to mention that because I am confused...it sounded like the reporter said the cousin was in fact a registered sex offender though   ::MonkeyConfused:: 
I was just reading that in TN if the sexual offense happened before 1991 there was a law saying they don't have to be listed to the public, only to law enforcement.  After 1991, the list became public.  I also looked up Misty's myspace and it lists her as 19, but she has only two pictures of herself, no friends, no comments.
Yea I saw that too, these kids sometimes lie about their age on their my-space page too............wanna seem older and such I guess,


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 10:50:19 PM
What is misty's last name?  If her first cousin did this, on her father's side, they should have the same last name.  And we know this guy is from TN....I'm not a very good detective, but I checked the TN sex offenders list and you have to put in a name. 
They said on Geraldo that the only picture they could find of sex offenders in Tennessee that had the right name they showed the picture to Mistie and it wasnt the right one, so perhaps he isnt listed in Tennessee I dont know!

Thanks HH, I was just going to mention that because I am confused...it sounded like the reporter said the cousin was in fact a registered sex offender though   ::MonkeyConfused:: 
I was just reading that in TN if the sexual offense happened before 1991 there was a law saying they don't have to be listed to the public, only to law enforcement.  After 1991, the list became public.  I also looked up Misty's myspace and it lists her as 19, but she has only two pictures of herself, no friends, no comments.

But according to Misty she was molested at 13...just 3-4 yrs ago., so these should be public. When did he visit and when did he leave?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: wendiw8780 on February 15, 2009, 10:54:15 PM
Probably won't state this well, but:

All that convaluted info with the blankets is flashing images of George Anthony and his endless stories of what Caylee was wearing the last time he saw her .... just on and on and you're thinking, what on earth are you talking about....exhausting.  too much info.  ::MonkeyConfused::

EXACTLY............sometimes I think people do this to try and confuse everyone on purpose, looks like they took note from KC, or sometimes you'd do this to explain away info like where IS the blanket  ::MonkeyWink::

Or maybe she has guilty conscious about something else on that blanket.  Maybe that blanket had evidence - and she has to explain why it is the only clean one in a house of filth?  Now they might be clean freaks, but from what I have seen - not counting on it!

Good point!

sorry o/t
islandmonkey-thank you for the other nite! big huggs! thanks again!

wendi


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bikerbev on February 15, 2009, 10:56:27 PM
What is misty's last name?  If her first cousin did this, on her father's side, they should have the same last name.  And we know this guy is from TN....I'm not a very good detective, but I checked the TN sex offenders list and you have to put in a name. 
They said on Geraldo that the only picture they could find of sex offenders in Tennessee that had the right name they showed the picture to Mistie and it wasnt the right one, so perhaps he isnt listed in Tennessee I dont know!

Thanks HH, I was just going to mention that because I am confused...it sounded like the reporter said the cousin was in fact a registered sex offender though   ::MonkeyConfused:: 
I was just reading that in TN if the sexual offense happened before 1991 there was a law saying they don't have to be listed to the public, only to law enforcement.  After 1991, the list became public.  I also looked up Misty's myspace and it lists her as 19, but she has only two pictures of herself, no friends, no comments.

But according to Misty she was molested at 13...just 3-4 yrs ago., so these should be public. When did he visit and when did he leave?
Didn't she have vistors the day Haleigh went missing?  Two guys and the a/c man?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 10:59:06 PM
What is misty's last name?  If her first cousin did this, on her father's side, they should have the same last name.  And we know this guy is from TN....I'm not a very good detective, but I checked the TN sex offenders list and you have to put in a name. 
They said on Geraldo that the only picture they could find of sex offenders in Tennessee that had the right name they showed the picture to Mistie and it wasnt the right one, so perhaps he isnt listed in Tennessee I dont know!

Thanks HH, I was just going to mention that because I am confused...it sounded like the reporter said the cousin was in fact a registered sex offender though   ::MonkeyConfused:: 
I was just reading that in TN if the sexual offense happened before 1991 there was a law saying they don't have to be listed to the public, only to law enforcement.  After 1991, the list became public.  I also looked up Misty's myspace and it lists her as 19, but she has only two pictures of herself, no friends, no comments.

But according to Misty she was molested at 13...just 3-4 yrs ago., so these should be public. When did he visit and when did he leave?
I dont think she said exactly when, she just said a couple months ago , I think,   also I think I just found out that Mistie had also been abused by and ex boyfriend and her Mother pressed charges against this guy to on her behalf, Mistie I think needed to go home and be a child and go to school and just be a teenager,,,,,,


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 11:01:14 PM
Probably won't state this well, but:

All that convaluted info with the blankets is flashing images of George Anthony and his endless stories of what Caylee was wearing the last time he saw her .... just on and on and you're thinking, what on earth are you talking about....exhausting.  too much info.  ::MonkeyConfused::

EXACTLY............sometimes I think people do this to try and confuse everyone on purpose, looks like they took note from KC, or sometimes you'd do this to explain away info like where IS the blanket  ::MonkeyWink::

Or maybe she has guilty conscious about something else on that blanket.  Maybe that blanket had evidence - and she has to explain why it is the only clean one in a house of filth?  Now they might be clean freaks, but from what I have seen - not counting on it!

Good point!

sorry o/t
islandmonkey-thank you for the other nite! big huggs! thanks again!

wendi

Anytime wendi~also....check your email!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 11:02:51 PM
What is misty's last name?  If her first cousin did this, on her father's side, they should have the same last name.  And we know this guy is from TN....I'm not a very good detective, but I checked the TN sex offenders list and you have to put in a name. 
They said on Geraldo that the only picture they could find of sex offenders in Tennessee that had the right name they showed the picture to Mistie and it wasnt the right one, so perhaps he isnt listed in Tennessee I dont know!

Thanks HH, I was just going to mention that because I am confused...it sounded like the reporter said the cousin was in fact a registered sex offender though   ::MonkeyConfused:: 
I was just reading that in TN if the sexual offense happened before 1991 there was a law saying they don't have to be listed to the public, only to law enforcement.  After 1991, the list became public.  I also looked up Misty's myspace and it lists her as 19, but she has only two pictures of herself, no friends, no comments.

But according to Misty she was molested at 13...just 3-4 yrs ago., so these should be public. When did he visit and when did he leave?
Didn't she have vistors the day Haleigh went missing?  Two guys and the a/c man?

yes, her brother and her nephews........IF she's telling the truth ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 11:05:07 PM
Did RC EVER report his gun stolen?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 11:06:29 PM
Did RC EVER report his gun stolen?
I doubt it since he is prolly on probation and is not suppose to have one!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 11:11:47 PM
I don't have audio on my comp so cannot listen to the 911 call.  Am wondering if someone in here can listen and check to see if the following is true?  This is what a poster on another site is saying:

"In listening to the 911 call placed by gf, you can hear RC mouthing in the background. For the most part it is unintelligible, but after they were disconnected about midway on the recording, the dispatcher calls them back. He answers and the dispatcher asks to speak to his wife. He hands gf the phone and he can clearly be heard saying "How the f*** can you let my daughter get stolen b****?" I think during the disconnect, he might have become violent with gf, because her answers were a very quick "yes", the kind of reply you might hear from someone who is being threatened physically. This is just my take on what I heard."




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 11:13:28 PM
Did RC EVER report his gun stolen?
I doubt it since he is prolly on probation and is not suppose to have one!

Well, they tsurely they found the 9mm........I wonder why she can't identify the SO that was in HER house?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 11:14:40 PM
I don't have audio on my comp so cannot listen to the 911 call.  Am wondering if someone in here can listen and check to see if the following is true?  This is what a poster on another site is saying:

"In listening to the 911 call placed by gf, you can hear RC mouthing in the background. For the most part it is unintelligible, but after they were disconnected about midway on the recording, the dispatcher calls them back. He answers and the dispatcher asks to speak to his wife. He hands gf the phone and he can clearly be heard saying "How the f*** can you let my daughter get stolen b****?" I think during the disconnect, he might have become violent with gf, because her answers were a very quick "yes", the kind of reply you might hear from someone who is being threatened physically. This is just my take on what I heard."





Let me go listen with the headphones........BRB


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 11:16:26 PM
I don't have audio on my comp so cannot listen to the 911 call.  Am wondering if someone in here can listen and check to see if the following is true?  This is what a poster on another site is saying:

"In listening to the 911 call placed by gf, you can hear RC mouthing in the background. For the most part it is unintelligible, but after they were disconnected about midway on the recording, the dispatcher calls them back. He answers and the dispatcher asks to speak to his wife. He hands gf the phone and he can clearly be heard saying "How the f*** can you let my daughter get stolen b****?" I think during the disconnect, he might have become violent with gf, because her answers were a very quick "yes", the kind of reply you might hear from someone who is being threatened physically. This is just my take on what I heard."





Let me go listen with the headphones........BRB

Thanks Island!!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 11:16:57 PM
http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

Here is a link to Ronalds and Chrstals divorce papers, not sure where to put them, but there is a lot of onfo in them that might come in handy as time goes by........Klaas please move them if we dont already have them.....Thank You


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 11:17:43 PM
Very hard to watch Geraldo......jmo......they are trying to put too much in their time slot.  jmho   

That's the truth!  He cram-packed that show! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 11:26:19 PM
I don't have audio on my comp so cannot listen to the 911 call.  Am wondering if someone in here can listen and check to see if the following is true?  This is what a poster on another site is saying:

"In listening to the 911 call placed by gf, you can hear RC mouthing in the background. For the most part it is unintelligible, but after they were disconnected about midway on the recording, the dispatcher calls them back. He answers and the dispatcher asks to speak to his wife. He hands gf the phone and he can clearly be heard saying "How the f*** can you let my daughter get stolen b****?" I think during the disconnect, he might have become violent with gf, because her answers were a very quick "yes", the kind of reply you might hear from someone who is being threatened physically. This is just my take on what I heard."





Let me go listen with the headphones........BRB

Thanks Island!!   ::MonkeyWink::


I couldn't tell....I'll try another youtube link later~although he was cursing up a storm, I jut couldn't hear specifics.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 15, 2009, 11:32:05 PM
I don't have audio on my comp so cannot listen to the 911 call.  Am wondering if someone in here can listen and check to see if the following is true?  This is what a poster on another site is saying:

"In listening to the 911 call placed by gf, you can hear RC mouthing in the background. For the most part it is unintelligible, but after they were disconnected about midway on the recording, the dispatcher calls them back. He answers and the dispatcher asks to speak to his wife. He hands gf the phone and he can clearly be heard saying "How the f*** can you let my daughter get stolen b****?" I think during the disconnect, he might have become violent with gf, because her answers were a very quick "yes", the kind of reply you might hear from someone who is being threatened physically. This is just my take on what I heard."





Let me go listen with the headphones........BRB

Thanks Island!!   ::MonkeyWink::


I couldn't tell....I'll try another youtube link later~although he was cursing up a storm, I jut couldn't hear specifics.

Ok, thanks for trying Island!   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: katiekatie2u on February 15, 2009, 11:37:21 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69928

rev grunds letter


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 11:38:39 PM
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=2&From=list&SessionID=9062081

I think THIS is the cousin, the dates match up as do the location of offense......big problem, he is still in jail. But look at his picture, I think they look alike but maybe it's my imagination.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 11:45:02 PM
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=2&From=list&SessionID=9062081

I think THIS is the cousin, the dates match up as do the location of offense......big problem, he is still in jail. But look at his picture, I think they look alike but maybe it's my imagination.

Edit~To add photo


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bikerbev on February 15, 2009, 11:45:34 PM
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=2&From=list&SessionID=9062081

I think THIS is the cousin, the dates match up as do the location of offense......big problem, he is still in jail. But look at his picture, I think they look alike but maybe it's my imagination.
How did you come up that name?  Wow...he does look like the girlfriend!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 15, 2009, 11:50:54 PM
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=2&From=list&SessionID=9062081

I think THIS is the cousin, the dates match up as do the location of offense......big problem, he is still in jail. But look at his picture, I think they look alike but maybe it's my imagination.
How did you come up that name?  Wow...he does look like the girlfriend!

I think it looks alot like her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 11:53:52 PM
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=2&From=list&SessionID=9062081

I think THIS is the cousin, the dates match up as do the location of offense......big problem, he is still in jail. But look at his picture, I think they look alike but maybe it's my imagination.
How did you come up that name?  Wow...he does look like the girlfriend!



News of Record
Daytona Beach News-Journal (FL) - Wednesday, March 30, 2005

Suits filed [...] Lisa Croslin on behalf of Misty Croslin vs. Jeremy Miller, by and through parent/guardian, repeat violence


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 15, 2009, 11:58:06 PM
OK   new rumar going around that Mistie was having and affair with and uncle of Ronalds, has anybody else heard this, some say they heard about it by just being around the searchers and the family, if true, maybe thats where Mistie was that night before Ronald got home hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 15, 2009, 11:58:27 PM
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=2&From=list&SessionID=9062081

I think THIS is the cousin, the dates match up as do the location of offense......big problem, he is still in jail. But look at his picture, I think they look alike but maybe it's my imagination.
How did you come up that name?  Wow...he does look like the girlfriend!

I think it looks alot like her.

I think she's still lying, THIS GUY IS STILL IN JAIL..........now, unless another cousin molested her, she's full of it........also, stating the gun was stolen effectively removes it from RC of her hands. Hinky meter up on this one too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bikerbev on February 16, 2009, 12:08:46 AM
islandmonkey, you got that right.  I think gf was doing something she shouldn't have been and somehow haleigh got in the way.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bikerbev on February 16, 2009, 12:10:07 AM
islandmonkey, you got that right.  I think gf was doing something she shouldn't have been and somehow haleigh got in the way.
Oh yeah, and if Larry Miller is her cousin and she's blaming this on him and he's in jail....sounds like Casey and ZFG....'not the right one'.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 12:11:58 AM
islandmonkey, you got that right.  I think gf was doing something she shouldn't have been and somehow haleigh got in the way.

That's the way I'm leaning, Haleigh was old enough to verbalize to dad if she happened to see gf and another man together and that would be very problematic. Also, given the fact that Haleigh just happened to disappear around the time dad comes home and all her inconsisitent stories lead me to believe she has to be at the very least a POI in her disappearance ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 12:14:24 AM
islandmonkey, you got that right.  I think gf was doing something she shouldn't have been and somehow haleigh got in the way.
Oh yeah, and if Larry Miller is her cousin and she's blaming this on him and he's in jail....sounds like Casey and ZFG....'not the right one'.

Maybe Jeremy Miller and Zenaida Gonzales ran off to PR together ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: bikerbev on February 16, 2009, 12:16:35 AM
islandmonkey, you got that right.  I think gf was doing something she shouldn't have been and somehow haleigh got in the way.
Oh yeah, and if Larry Miller is her cousin and she's blaming this on him and he's in jail....sounds like Casey and ZFG....'not the right one'.

Maybe Jeremy Miller and Zenaida Gonzales ran off to PR together ::MonkeyTongue::
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: higherhopes on February 16, 2009, 12:31:19 AM
the name on the deed to the Cummings home is a G. Sapp,    there is also a RSO  with the name of D. Lee Sapp  that lives close to the Cummings residence and I think he might do repair work, could he be related to the owner of the home and maybe he has a key to it......FYI


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 12:31:31 AM
Interesting ..............


http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

Ronald Cummings, Misty Croslin and Little Haleigh
Many, many, many of you have asked me to review the case of missing Haleigh Cummings. She went missing last Monday night from her home, and hasn't been seen or found since. Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, tell us that Croslin put Haleigh to sleep, later went to sleep herself, and when she woke up to use the bathroom in the middle of the night, she found the kitchen light on, Haleigh was gone, and the back door was wide open, propped by a brick.

Read moreWhen I watch Cummings and Croslin speak, many things jump out at me. They are so numerous, I don't have the space here to write them all out, but I will identify a few things I've noted:

When I first saw Ronald Cummings crying in his first plea for his daughter, several things jumped out at me. His crying episode was eerily reminiscent of a child's cry. Most adults don't cry like children. He whined, and acted out of breath, yet he wasn't. It was notable and perplexing.

Yet he did sound truly congested; however, no tears fell from his face. Later on, however, he did cry very genuine and sincere tears, and the pouting cry notably changes into a regular cry. I find his behavior inconsistent here, and I can't explain it. Is he under the influence of something? He seems really glassy-eyed.


I am also immediately struck by how he portrays no composure of hope in this interview. He seems to have zero hope that his daughter could still be alive. Why isn't he hanging onto the fact that if he and others get out there, they can potentially find her? This disturbs me.


Why isn't he talking to his daughter on camera? "Haleigh, I'm here for you, if you are watching this. I'm going to find you." Does he even think about her being out there, and watching the news? Why isn't he thinking about being strong for her?

When I see this interview, it seems to be more about Cummings being devastated than finding Haleigh. It's like he is feeling sorry for himself. Why? This is odd. Haleigh's mom, ironically, does talk to her daughter on camera, as I would expect any parent would, if they feared their daughter was kidnapped.


At time marker 1:15, Cummings drops down to the ground crying. This is so unusual for an adult to do. Children do this, but how many adults have you seen do this? Especially when the news is not conclusively devastating yet? How come everyone else who loved Haleigh is so composed and acting "normally", but Cummings is not? Here his cry is very shallow. It's not believable for me.


He says, "I know somebody took my little girl...some sorry piece of trash that will be wasted when its all over." This is baffling to me. Haleigh was once found floating in a nearby waterway and nearly drowned, how could he so conclusively rule this out? How can he so confidently rule out that Haleigh didn't wander away, that he didn't lock the door as he thought he did, that when Croslin's relatives came to visit earlier that night, that they didn't unlock another door or open a window when he was away?

Would you as a parent be so certain about this, especially since you know your daughter wandered away before? This bothers me.


At one point, Cummings says, "All I want is my children…All I want is my child back.” I thought this was very unusual. Another day, he talks about how others are making this situation all about a custody issue. That was really strange, but if we pair that, with this statement above, you have to wonder, is he afraid he won't have either of his children, perhaps, due to something he has done here? Then this strange slip might actually make sense, wouldn't it?


Then he says something that unnerved me in a huge way. Cummings says, "I’d give my life for my child’s life back.”

What? Why is he saying this? It makes no sense. Is that why his cry is so confusing? Does he fake concern and worry, and then really cry over what he may know already happened to his daughter? You would think he would have said instead, "I'd give my life for my child back", but that is NOT what he says. Does this indicate that he believes his daughter is not alive? Is that why he thought earlier, "All I want is my children..." because he fears if the truth comes out, he will lose them, or at least his remaining son?

It's troubling, to say the least.


Notice how Cummings reiterates that he is trying to do the best he can, that someone stole his child while he was at work? Is he building an alibi? Setting a timeline? Why isn't he focusing his energy on getting Haleigh back instead of feeling sorry for himself? Most parents of missing children are focused on getting their children, and don't care at all about themselves, but Cummings is notably different. Most parents know they have to be strong for their children, and work to bring them home. Why not Cummings?


The reporter then asks, "Can I ask when you noticed the back door was open, and if that was what kind of alerted you to something?" Just before the reporter asks Cummings this, he is crying, sobbing and somber. Then listen to Cummings' response to the question. His demeanor and voice change dramatically. It's very notable and very alarming for me. You don't stop crying and change your entire demeanor when you are deeply sobbing and in pain like Cummings wants us to believe he is. You just don't do it, yet oddly Cummings does. Cummings says in an angry, deep and controlled tone, "No. My girlfriend was awake at 3 o'clock in the morning when I got off of work." When he says this there is a deep anger in Cummings voice that appears out of nowhere. It's chilling. Clearly, this question got Cummings angry. Why would that be?


Later in the interview, Cummings says very strangely and out of nowhere, when he deeply sobs, "I do plan to take the trash out when it is time." This blindsides you. It's not related to anything being said at the time. It's like Cummings is in his own world. I am sure like most people, at first you think, what is he talking about?? It's absolutely perplexing.

But when I watch him say it and watch his emotions, he shows pure destitution in his face. Like someone sold his soul. It's absolutely haunting. I can't help but wonder, is this some type of warning he is contemplating suicide "when it is time"? Perhaps, if he were to get caught?

What else could this statement mean? Is he warning us? Is he under the influence of drugs here and extra emotional? Also, just after he says it, and thinks about it, he also shows true distress and sadness on his face. It's alarming and notable. But when the reporter asks the next question, all of these genuine emotions fade away again.


The reporter asks, what would you say to people who may have information out there? Notice Cummings doesn't even think to talk to his daughter again. Why?


Both Cummings and Croslin's body language in all the videos I see displays a sense of defeat. They are hunched over. Their shoulders come forward. They physically look down, and act subdued. It appears they have no hope whatsoever, again and again, that Cummings' daughter will be returned to them. This strikes me as very odd. Why aren't they tense, nervous and anxious to find her? That would be normal. They should be on edge that things might not happen fast enough, yet there is no urgency with these two. Anyone can spot that? Why aren't these two on a mission to find Haleigh? Compare their behavior to that of George and Cindy Anthony. It's notably different.


News reports say that on the 911 call, Cummings was in a rage, and really worried about his daughter. I don't hear that in the call at all. I don't hear any indication of fear, stress or true and genuine alarm. I hear feigned anger, by his threats and choice of words.


Why did Croslin wait 30 minutes from waking up and finding Haleigh missing to alert someone of the possible abduction? Why didn't she summon for help earlier? Especially since she knows Haleigh once wandered off and nearly drowned before?


What predator is going to go into a house late at night, and risk taking one child out of room full of people? Let's say Haleigh wandered outside; there should have been some proof of a door unlocked or something, but Cummings and Croslin deny that. They, instead, tell us that the door where the predator went out, had to be forced closed, that Haleigh couldn't open it, and couldn't reach the deadbolt. This tells us that the door likely stuck when you opened or closed it. That would likely mean the door made a fair amount of noise to open and close it, and it took some effort to open it, right? What predator would use that door?

What predator would turn on a light in the kitchen, risk announcing himself and make it possible to be clearly identified by someone in the house or outside? What predator would take the time to bring or find a cinder block, and take the time to prop the door open? How come there are no signs of forced entry into the home? To me, these are highly unlikely or implausible circumstances.


I also haven't seen Cummings or Croslin participate in any searches reported by any news agencies. Have I missed this? I have looked for it several times. Has anyone seen them help in the search? Post fliers, or go look for her themselves? If they haven't, why aren't they?


Cummings and Croslin have told two different stories of where Haleigh slept that night. This is interesting. You would think their stories would be the same. Cummings told Nancy Grace that Croslin slept in the same bed as the children on February 11. Then on February 12, Croslin says that Haleigh was in a different bed in the same room. Why aren't they getting their facts right?

Worse, when they are both on Greta van Susteren's show, Greta asks, "How far was Haleigh physically from you, Misty?" Croslin says, "Probably, like, not three or four inches away." Look at Cummings' eyes when Croslin talks. They are plastered towards Croslin though he doesn't turn his head. It's very controlling behavior. He is fascinating to watch.

Greta then asks Croslin how far they were apart a second time, and at that time, Cummings shakes his head in a side-to-side motion, indicating he is thinking "no". With that, Croslin backtracks and says, "No, um, I'm not sure. It wasn't that far away." Next, as Greta is talking again getting ready to ask another question, Cummings is trying to coach Croslin, and tell her what to say! I can't hear what he is saying, but why does he feel the need to do this? Cummings then says, "No, I know where the beds were at. They were about four feet apart from the edge of the bed she was in to the edge of the bed Haleigh was in."

These two can't even agree where the beds were placed in this room! Forget about who slept in what bed. This is a huge inconsistency. Clearly, both are capable of describing how far two beds are apart, but if the facts aren't true, we wouldn't be surprised to see such a discrepancy, would we?


Earlier on the Greta show, Greta asks Croslin who was closest to the back door: Haleigh or Croslin? Look how long it takes Croslin to answer that. She makes an "Hmmm...I don't know" expression. Why doesn't she know? She should spout the answer off without thought, but she doesn't. She finally answers and when she does, under his breath, Cummings says, "I'd like to comment." He doesn't say what is on his mind because Greta didn't hear him, but it shows he is controlling nonetheless, over and over.


Also in the Greta interview, Cummings says to Croslin, "Look at the camera" at one point. He gives us every indication he has a temper, and is very controlling and manipulative. Cummings also nods his head when hears what Croslin says at points in the interview, as if he approves. He is scrutinizing her every word, and Croslin knows it.


Croslin also keeps saying the same story over and over again. She says something to the effect that she got up, went to the bathroom, found the kitchen light on, and then she went back and found Haleigh was gone. She always finishes it with "That's all I know." I find her memory of that event is quite sparse and lacking. You would think she would remember more detail. When we recollect a story, oftentimes, we remember different details, or thoughts--things we were thinking at the time. Yet Croslin seems to have no "thinking memories" of her experience. It is more like she is talking from rote memory. She only repeats the same thing over and over again.


The same is true for her 911 call. The details are sketchy at best. Her memories don't flow logically. It doesn't make sense.


911: "911, what's your emergency"

Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."

We just woke up?

911: "OK, when did you last see her?"

Misty Croslin: "Um, we like just...you know...it was about 10 o'clock... we were...she was sleeping- I ...she?...cleaning...

Why doesn't she have normal recollections here?


I so hope I am wrong for Haleigh's sake. It doesn't look good from where I am sitting now.











She makes alot of the same points we have observed.......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: dottie on February 16, 2009, 12:48:54 AM

Is there anybody that talked to Wendi the other night?  Do you have a way to contact her?  Her last post on the caylee thread sounded pretty dismal.  She really seems to be in trouble.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: darla on February 16, 2009, 12:52:14 AM
Island Monkey....Help....can you call Wendi....she is really in trouble. I have tried to get her to call me and I don't have her number


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 12:52:19 AM

Is there anybody that talked to Wendi the other night?  Do you have a way to contact her?  Her last post on the caylee thread sounded pretty dismal.  She really seems to be in trouble.

I did, and I emailed her tonight.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 16, 2009, 12:53:10 AM
O/T A'sfever

started rereading the Donna Jou thread just now and saw that you were online. Hi1


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 16, 2009, 12:54:48 AM
How can we help Windi?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: darla on February 16, 2009, 12:58:14 AM
How can we help Windi?

I don't know IBE ...I think she is suicidal.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 16, 2009, 12:59:48 AM
If Misty did something to the little girl, how far could she have carried her ?
Not very. How far is the closest body of water ?
If her brother saw the kids at 5 pm, Ronald had already gone to work, that eliminates him. They must have verified the time he left work.
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 01:01:00 AM
How can we help Windi?

I don't know IBE ...I think she is suicidal.

Just got her number and called, no answer and mailbox is full..........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: dottie on February 16, 2009, 01:03:03 AM
How can we help Windi?

I don't know IBE ...I think she is suicidal.
She came to musings for a second but I couldn't get her to talk. She has taken alot of meds and is not making alot of sense.Just got her number and called, no answer and mailbox is full..........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 16, 2009, 01:03:31 AM

Is there anybody that talked to Wendi the other night?  Do you have a way to contact her?  Her last post on the caylee thread sounded pretty dismal.  She really seems to be in trouble.

I did, and I emailed her tonight.
I just read her last posts there and I agree. Something is up and if anyone has a way to contact her by phone, they better do it. Sounds quite bad to me. I don't even know her last name or know anything about her. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: dottie on February 16, 2009, 01:03:49 AM
How can we help Windi?

I don't know IBE ...I think she is suicidal.
She came to musings for a second but I couldn't get her to talk. She has taken alot of meds and is not making alot of sense.Just got her number and called, no answer and mailbox is full..........
sorry I messed that quote up.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 16, 2009, 01:06:56 AM
ISLAND M -- Wendi is in musings; she goes in and out, but she's posting there.  If you know of her situation, could you come there and see if you can help her?  Seems really bad to me.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A's Fever on February 16, 2009, 01:07:00 AM
O/T A'sfever

started rereading the Donna Jou thread just now and saw that you were online. Hi1

Hi IBE, long time no see!  Hope you are well.

I just saw this quote of yours on another page: "I have learned more than I ever wanted to know about evil from being a Scared Monkey but on the greater hand I have learned more about Good."

This line really popped out at me as it is so very true!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 01:10:23 AM
ISLAND M -- Wendi is in musings; she goes in and out, but she's posting there.  If you know of her situation, could you come there and see if you can help her?  Seems really bad to me.



Thanks~I just went there and didn't see her, I've called her at least 5 times and emailed her three times.....pls everyone tell me what she's posting so I can save time without hopping threads. We do have a mutual friend from way back 14yrs ago, I can try to find his number but I need to know what's been posted


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 01:12:38 AM
ISLAND M -- Wendi is in musings; she goes in and out, but she's posting there.  If you know of her situation, could you come there and see if you can help her?  Seems really bad to me.



Thanks~I just went there and didn't see her, I've called her at least 5 times and emailed her three times.....pls everyone tell me what she's posting so I can save time without hopping threads. We do have a mutual friend from way back 14yrs ago, I can try to find his number but I need to know what's been posted

Wendi is saying she's taking Xanax and lots of them.  She wants to go to sleep forever.

Can you call the police in her area and have them do a wellness check?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 16, 2009, 01:12:38 AM
ISLAND M -- Wendi is in musings; she goes in and out, but she's posting there.  If you know of her situation, could you come there and see if you can help her?  Seems really bad to me.



Thanks~I just went there and didn't see her, I've called her at least 5 times and emailed her three times.....pls everyone tell me what she's posting so I can save time without hopping threads. We do have a mutual friend from way back 14yrs ago, I can try to find his number but I need to know what's been posted

She's take a lot of xanax and intends to take more.  Wants to go to sleep and not wake up.

Can you call 911 in her area if you have her phone/personal contact info for wellness check?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 01:13:49 AM
ISLAND M -- Wendi is in musings; she goes in and out, but she's posting there.  If you know of her situation, could you come there and see if you can help her?  Seems really bad to me.



Thanks~I just went there and didn't see her, I've called her at least 5 times and emailed her three times.....pls everyone tell me what she's posting so I can save time without hopping threads. We do have a mutual friend from way back 14yrs ago, I can try to find his number but I need to know what's been posted

Wendi is saying she's taking Xanax and lots of them.  She wants to go to sleep forever.

Can you call the police in her area and have them do a wellness check?

When asked how much Xanax she was taking her answer was this:

alot, & going to take more. i am so out off my thing. i don't know how to say it. i have no control over anything! i am so scared, i just want to go to sleep forever! i just know that is not the way to do things. i am shaking so much & i can't think.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 16, 2009, 01:15:10 AM
Just that she has taken a lot of meds. Has no control over anything, wants to go to sleep forever.Hasn't been eating, her Mom will be pizzed.
A minute ago, she was on line.   
Crap, I can't do anything I only know her sceeen name and info.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 01:15:43 AM
ISLAND M -- Wendi is in musings; she goes in and out, but she's posting there.  If you know of her situation, could you come there and see if you can help her?  Seems really bad to me.



Thanks~I just went there and didn't see her, I've called her at least 5 times and emailed her three times.....pls everyone tell me what she's posting so I can save time without hopping threads. We do have a mutual friend from way back 14yrs ago, I can try to find his number but I need to know what's been posted

She's take a lot of xanax and intends to take more.  Wants to go to sleep and not wake up.

Can you call 911 in her area if you have her phone/personal contact info for wellness check?

on it~I hope she's home or they won't know where to look......she has more than the house I know about


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 01:21:18 AM
I just got off the phone with G-town police and they are going to check now.....I was told to call back in 30 minutes. I'm shaking now.........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 16, 2009, 01:22:43 AM
I just got off the phone with G-town police and they are going to check now.....I was told to call back in 30 minutes. I'm shaking now.........

Me too.  Very scary.  Please let us know what they say.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 16, 2009, 01:24:19 AM
I just got off the phone with G-town police and they are going to check now.....I was told to call back in 30 minutes. I'm shaking now.........

Me too.  Very scary.  Please let us know what they say.

Darla just posted in musings that she is on the phone with Wendi now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 01:24:51 AM
I just got off the phone with G-town police and they are going to check now.....I was told to call back in 30 minutes. I'm shaking now.........

Me too.  Very scary.  Please let us know what they say.

I will~pls say a prayer for DeDe.......that's what her neice calls her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 01:25:49 AM
I just got off the phone with G-town police and they are going to check now.....I was told to call back in 30 minutes. I'm shaking now.........

Me too.  Very scary.  Please let us know what they say.

Darla just posted in musings that she is on the phone with Wendi now.

I hope she's not going to be embarrassed, but rescue is on there way now..............


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 01:26:43 AM
I just got off the phone with G-town police and they are going to check now.....I was told to call back in 30 minutes. I'm shaking now.........

Thank you, you did the right thing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 01:31:10 AM
IslandMonkey - let us know if you hear anything back from the police.  Thank you again.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 01:33:12 AM
I just got off the phone with G-town police and they are going to check now.....I was told to call back in 30 minutes. I'm shaking now.........

Thank you, you did the right thing.

Then how come I feel so bad? When someone mentioned this on musings, she was EVEN more upset............I feel terrible either way.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 16, 2009, 01:35:25 AM
Interesting ..............


http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

Ronald Cummings, Misty Croslin and Little Haleigh
Many, many, many of you have asked me to review the case of missing Haleigh Cummings. She went missing last Monday night from her home, and hasn't been seen or found since. Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, tell us that Croslin put Haleigh to sleep, later went to sleep herself, and when she woke up to use the bathroom in the middle of the night, she found the kitchen light on, Haleigh was gone, and the back door was wide open, propped by a brick.

Read moreWhen I watch Cummings and Croslin speak, many things jump out at me. They are so numerous, I don't have the space here to write them all out, but I will identify a few things I've noted:

When I first saw Ronald Cummings crying in his first plea for his daughter, several things jumped out at me. His crying episode was eerily reminiscent of a child's cry. Most adults don't cry like children. He whined, and acted out of breath, yet he wasn't. It was notable and perplexing.

Yet he did sound truly congested; however, no tears fell from his face. Later on, however, he did cry very genuine and sincere tears, and the pouting cry notably changes into a regular cry. I find his behavior inconsistent here, and I can't explain it. Is he under the influence of something? He seems really glassy-eyed.


I am also immediately struck by how he portrays no composure of hope in this interview. He seems to have zero hope that his daughter could still be alive. Why isn't he hanging onto the fact that if he and others get out there, they can potentially find her? This disturbs me.


Why isn't he talking to his daughter on camera? "Haleigh, I'm here for you, if you are watching this. I'm going to find you." Does he even think about her being out there, and watching the news? Why isn't he thinking about being strong for her?

When I see this interview, it seems to be more about Cummings being devastated than finding Haleigh. It's like he is feeling sorry for himself. Why? This is odd. Haleigh's mom, ironically, does talk to her daughter on camera, as I would expect any parent would, if they feared their daughter was kidnapped.


At time marker 1:15, Cummings drops down to the ground crying. This is so unusual for an adult to do. Children do this, but how many adults have you seen do this? Especially when the news is not conclusively devastating yet? How come everyone else who loved Haleigh is so composed and acting "normally", but Cummings is not? Here his cry is very shallow. It's not believable for me.


He says, "I know somebody took my little girl...some sorry piece of trash that will be wasted when its all over." This is baffling to me. Haleigh was once found floating in a nearby waterway and nearly drowned, how could he so conclusively rule this out? How can he so confidently rule out that Haleigh didn't wander away, that he didn't lock the door as he thought he did, that when Croslin's relatives came to visit earlier that night, that they didn't unlock another door or open a window when he was away?

Would you as a parent be so certain about this, especially since you know your daughter wandered away before? This bothers me.


At one point, Cummings says, "All I want is my children…All I want is my child back.” I thought this was very unusual. Another day, he talks about how others are making this situation all about a custody issue. That was really strange, but if we pair that, with this statement above, you have to wonder, is he afraid he won't have either of his children, perhaps, due to something he has done here? Then this strange slip might actually make sense, wouldn't it?


Then he says something that unnerved me in a huge way. Cummings says, "I’d give my life for my child’s life back.”

What? Why is he saying this? It makes no sense. Is that why his cry is so confusing? Does he fake concern and worry, and then really cry over what he may know already happened to his daughter? You would think he would have said instead, "I'd give my life for my child back", but that is NOT what he says. Does this indicate that he believes his daughter is not alive? Is that why he thought earlier, "All I want is my children..." because he fears if the truth comes out, he will lose them, or at least his remaining son?

It's troubling, to say the least.


Notice how Cummings reiterates that he is trying to do the best he can, that someone stole his child while he was at work? Is he building an alibi? Setting a timeline? Why isn't he focusing his energy on getting Haleigh back instead of feeling sorry for himself? Most parents of missing children are focused on getting their children, and don't care at all about themselves, but Cummings is notably different. Most parents know they have to be strong for their children, and work to bring them home. Why not Cummings?


The reporter then asks, "Can I ask when you noticed the back door was open, and if that was what kind of alerted you to something?" Just before the reporter asks Cummings this, he is crying, sobbing and somber. Then listen to Cummings' response to the question. His demeanor and voice change dramatically. It's very notable and very alarming for me. You don't stop crying and change your entire demeanor when you are deeply sobbing and in pain like Cummings wants us to believe he is. You just don't do it, yet oddly Cummings does. Cummings says in an angry, deep and controlled tone, "No. My girlfriend was awake at 3 o'clock in the morning when I got off of work." When he says this there is a deep anger in Cummings voice that appears out of nowhere. It's chilling. Clearly, this question got Cummings angry. Why would that be?


Later in the interview, Cummings says very strangely and out of nowhere, when he deeply sobs, "I do plan to take the trash out when it is time." This blindsides you. It's not related to anything being said at the time. It's like Cummings is in his own world. I am sure like most people, at first you think, what is he talking about?? It's absolutely perplexing.

But when I watch him say it and watch his emotions, he shows pure destitution in his face. Like someone sold his soul. It's absolutely haunting. I can't help but wonder, is this some type of warning he is contemplating suicide "when it is time"? Perhaps, if he were to get caught?

What else could this statement mean? Is he warning us? Is he under the influence of drugs here and extra emotional? Also, just after he says it, and thinks about it, he also shows true distress and sadness on his face. It's alarming and notable. But when the reporter asks the next question, all of these genuine emotions fade away again.


The reporter asks, what would you say to people who may have information out there? Notice Cummings doesn't even think to talk to his daughter again. Why?


Both Cummings and Croslin's body language in all the videos I see displays a sense of defeat. They are hunched over. Their shoulders come forward. They physically look down, and act subdued. It appears they have no hope whatsoever, again and again, that Cummings' daughter will be returned to them. This strikes me as very odd. Why aren't they tense, nervous and anxious to find her? That would be normal. They should be on edge that things might not happen fast enough, yet there is no urgency with these two. Anyone can spot that? Why aren't these two on a mission to find Haleigh? Compare their behavior to that of George and Cindy Anthony. It's notably different.


News reports say that on the 911 call, Cummings was in a rage, and really worried about his daughter. I don't hear that in the call at all. I don't hear any indication of fear, stress or true and genuine alarm. I hear feigned anger, by his threats and choice of words.


Why did Croslin wait 30 minutes from waking up and finding Haleigh missing to alert someone of the possible abduction? Why didn't she summon for help earlier? Especially since she knows Haleigh once wandered off and nearly drowned before?


What predator is going to go into a house late at night, and risk taking one child out of room full of people? Let's say Haleigh wandered outside; there should have been some proof of a door unlocked or something, but Cummings and Croslin deny that. They, instead, tell us that the door where the predator went out, had to be forced closed, that Haleigh couldn't open it, and couldn't reach the deadbolt. This tells us that the door likely stuck when you opened or closed it. That would likely mean the door made a fair amount of noise to open and close it, and it took some effort to open it, right? What predator would use that door?

What predator would turn on a light in the kitchen, risk announcing himself and make it possible to be clearly identified by someone in the house or outside? What predator would take the time to bring or find a cinder block, and take the time to prop the door open? How come there are no signs of forced entry into the home? To me, these are highly unlikely or implausible circumstances.


I also haven't seen Cummings or Croslin participate in any searches reported by any news agencies. Have I missed this? I have looked for it several times. Has anyone seen them help in the search? Post fliers, or go look for her themselves? If they haven't, why aren't they?


Cummings and Croslin have told two different stories of where Haleigh slept that night. This is interesting. You would think their stories would be the same. Cummings told Nancy Grace that Croslin slept in the same bed as the children on February 11. Then on February 12, Croslin says that Haleigh was in a different bed in the same room. Why aren't they getting their facts right?

Worse, when they are both on Greta van Susteren's show, Greta asks, "How far was Haleigh physically from you, Misty?" Croslin says, "Probably, like, not three or four inches away." Look at Cummings' eyes when Croslin talks. They are plastered towards Croslin though he doesn't turn his head. It's very controlling behavior. He is fascinating to watch.

Greta then asks Croslin how far they were apart a second time, and at that time, Cummings shakes his head in a side-to-side motion, indicating he is thinking "no". With that, Croslin backtracks and says, "No, um, I'm not sure. It wasn't that far away." Next, as Greta is talking again getting ready to ask another question, Cummings is trying to coach Croslin, and tell her what to say! I can't hear what he is saying, but why does he feel the need to do this? Cummings then says, "No, I know where the beds were at. They were about four feet apart from the edge of the bed she was in to the edge of the bed Haleigh was in."

These two can't even agree where the beds were placed in this room! Forget about who slept in what bed. This is a huge inconsistency. Clearly, both are capable of describing how far two beds are apart, but if the facts aren't true, we wouldn't be surprised to see such a discrepancy, would we?


Earlier on the Greta show, Greta asks Croslin who was closest to the back door: Haleigh or Croslin? Look how long it takes Croslin to answer that. She makes an "Hmmm...I don't know" expression. Why doesn't she know? She should spout the answer off without thought, but she doesn't. She finally answers and when she does, under his breath, Cummings says, "I'd like to comment." He doesn't say what is on his mind because Greta didn't hear him, but it shows he is controlling nonetheless, over and over.


Also in the Greta interview, Cummings says to Croslin, "Look at the camera" at one point. He gives us every indication he has a temper, and is very controlling and manipulative. Cummings also nods his head when hears what Croslin says at points in the interview, as if he approves. He is scrutinizing her every word, and Croslin knows it.


Croslin also keeps saying the same story over and over again. She says something to the effect that she got up, went to the bathroom, found the kitchen light on, and then she went back and found Haleigh was gone. She always finishes it with "That's all I know." I find her memory of that event is quite sparse and lacking. You would think she would remember more detail. When we recollect a story, oftentimes, we remember different details, or thoughts--things we were thinking at the time. Yet Croslin seems to have no "thinking memories" of her experience. It is more like she is talking from rote memory. She only repeats the same thing over and over again.


The same is true for her 911 call. The details are sketchy at best. Her memories don't flow logically. It doesn't make sense.


911: "911, what's your emergency"

Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."

We just woke up?

911: "OK, when did you last see her?"

Misty Croslin: "Um, we like just...you know...it was about 10 o'clock... we were...she was sleeping- I ...she?...cleaning...

Why doesn't she have normal recollections here?


I so hope I am wrong for Haleigh's sake. It doesn't look good from where I am sitting now.


She makes alot of the same points we have observed.......

I read your posts... but when I use the link it keeps timing out. Please tell me who the H is this? Is this a medical professional?

I, IMO, have one point to make... how can we cut and shread how any of us would react if we aren't in their shoes?

Could anyone ever think that the father and the gf just don't like all the media coverage and are basically shy?

Please let me know something about who wrote this  TIA


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 01:36:06 AM
I'm headed to musings to wait this one out.......y'all pls come over. Thanks


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: IBE on February 16, 2009, 01:37:50 AM
I just got off the phone with G-town police and they are going to check now.....I was told to call back in 30 minutes. I'm shaking now.........

Me too.  Very scary.  Please let us know what they say.

Darla just posted in musings that she is on the phone with Wendi now.

I hope she's not going to be embarrassed, but rescue is on there way now..............

Islandmonkey, Thanks... it's better to be on the safe side than sorry.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: dottie on February 16, 2009, 01:38:41 AM
I just got off the phone with G-town police and they are going to check now.....I was told to call back in 30 minutes. I'm shaking now.........

Thank you, you did the right thing.

Then how come I feel so bad? When someone mentioned this on musings, she was EVEN more upset............I feel terrible either way.
DON'T FEEL BAD!!  YOU DID THE RIGHT THING!!  AND IT WASN'T JUST YOU IT WAS ALL OF US.  HER COMMENTS JUST COULD NOT BE OVERLOOKED.  SHE NEEDED HELP AND WAS REACHING OUT.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 16, 2009, 02:10:39 AM
We were discussing GA's appearance tonight & how it was taking the focus off of Haleigh's case, I figured people here that didnt get to see the episode would appreciate the links to the segments here

WHORALDO AT LARGE - TONIGHT'S EPISODE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDgUXgdadgo     1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZmT1049_h0     2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2inXOvXpN_4      3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4qElybv7r8        4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsIJfirnj1Q           5

  ALL  I can say is innocent people dont need lawyers at their side 24/7 & the defense atty that guested tonight denoting that all the parties in Haleigh's case are NOT lawyered up & cooperating (in other words much like John Walsh, Mark Lunsford, etc etc - the exact opposite of the Anthonys) BOO YAH!  Sleep tight, cyas tomorrow!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: OriginalKat on February 16, 2009, 07:06:22 AM
I hope Wendi is ok and you guys are great taking action to help someone in need.

I heard on Jax news last night that the search for Hayleigh has been exhausted and they are going to turn to change to investigation. They also said Tim Miller was done.

Here is the local link her for updates....www.firstcoastnews.com (http://www.firstcoastnews.com)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 16, 2009, 07:30:36 AM
OK  now Im about to go off on these people, now how the hell do you let a cousin that molested you come around you ever again and then also come into contact with a child, OMG  are these people crazy or what, Get real, if my cousin messed with me when I was little I wouldnt ever want to see his face again, this is unbeleivable,   I do not understand.......

You would be amazed the amount of people that let molesters around them and their kids. I know one that has her daughters molester and wife sharing a house with her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 16, 2009, 07:37:21 AM
What is misty's last name?  If her first cousin did this, on her father's side, they should have the same last name.  And we know this guy is from TN....I'm not a very good detective, but I checked the TN sex offenders list and you have to put in a name. 
They said on Geraldo that the only picture they could find of sex offenders in Tennessee that had the right name they showed the picture to Mistie and it wasnt the right one, so perhaps he isnt listed in Tennessee I dont know!

Thanks HH, I was just going to mention that because I am confused...it sounded like the reporter said the cousin was in fact a registered sex offender though   ::MonkeyConfused:: 
I was just reading that in TN if the sexual offense happened before 1991 there was a law saying they don't have to be listed to the public, only to law enforcement.  After 1991, the list became public.  I also looked up Misty's myspace and it lists her as 19, but she has only two pictures of herself, no friends, no comments.

But according to Misty she was molested at 13...just 3-4 yrs ago., so these should be public. When did he visit and when did he leave?

Assuming it was reported and prosecuted. You would be amazed the number of time that it is not reported since the parents have their head in the sand or write it off to "sex play" and investigation. And sometimes if the two people are close in age (less than 4 years generally) it is not considered molestation by LE - just play or consensual experimentation.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 16, 2009, 07:40:42 AM
http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

Here is a link to Ronalds and Chrstals divorce papers, not sure where to put them, but there is a lot of onfo in them that might come in handy as time goes by........Klaas please move them if we dont already have them.....Thank You

Important distinction here - they were NEVER married - these are paternity and custody papers.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 16, 2009, 08:06:43 AM
theboyzmom-  the custody report tells quite a story, doesn't it?  ::MonkeyShocked::

thanks for posting it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 16, 2009, 08:24:02 AM
It does - but I did not post it. I just responded!  Anyway, even if half of what mom's dad says it true, it is scary. We just had a case here where the mom was high on coke and drinking at the bar with dad. They are divorced - have (had) twin girls. Dad knew mom was drunk and high and let her take the kids anyway - mom crashed and killed one twin - dad did nothing to stop her from leaving. So I give some credit to mom if she really did make an effort to get them away from the dad as she described him. Unfortunately in child custody cases, often the stories are not the truth. We will have to wait and see.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 16, 2009, 08:52:15 AM
Custody hearing documents do make one wonder why on earth, if these things are true, that the mother chose to bear not one but two children with such a person.

Custody battles are notorious for their allegations.  Not all are true.  Evidently the court did not believe all the claims or felt the father the better choice of two bad parents.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: KeysBreeze on February 16, 2009, 09:08:36 AM
the name on the deed to the Cummings home is a G. Sapp,    there is also a RSO  with the name of D. Lee Sapp  that lives close to the Cummings residence and I think he might do repair work, could he be related to the owner of the home and maybe he has a key to it......FYI

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

According to the property tax records the home belongs to Phyliss Bard from PA


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 16, 2009, 09:10:27 AM
So was the biological mother alone when she allegedly found Haleigh floating in the canal?  She administered CPR all by herself?

I wonder if 9-1-1 was called or there were witnesses to this event.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 16, 2009, 09:12:47 AM
the name on the deed to the Cummings home is a G. Sapp,    there is also a RSO  with the name of D. Lee Sapp  that lives close to the Cummings residence and I think he might do repair work, could he be related to the owner of the home and maybe he has a key to it......FYI

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

According to the property tax records the home belongs to Phyliss Bard from PA


I wonder if it has been checked as to all who might have keys and if the locks were changed after the previous tenent and just who that might have been.  With the high number of SO's in the area, can't be too careful.  Hopefully, LE is doing all of this and more.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 16, 2009, 09:19:43 AM
Custody hearing documents do make one wonder why on earth, if these things are true, that the mother chose to bear not one but two children with such a person.

Custody battles are notorious for their allegations.  Not all are true.  Evidently the court did not believe all the claims or felt the father the better choice of two bad parents.



Agreed Anna, I wouldn't believe all that's written in that report either. That being said I think when Hayley was born that it was a situation of children having children. I thought I saw that Ronald's mother or a relative works for a Sheriff's office too?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flossy on February 16, 2009, 09:31:02 AM
Was the A/C guy interviewed?  I don't know much about him and doubt I will be able to find it if I read back because I don't have much time.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 16, 2009, 09:31:31 AM
It's his mother who works for the Sheriff's department


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 16, 2009, 09:33:14 AM
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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mioyshi on February 16, 2009, 09:38:02 AM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/k9j0ip.jpg)

good morning Today   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: mioyshi on February 16, 2009, 09:40:53 AM
It's his mother who works for the Sheriff's department

this sort of tells us why the father is always getting away with his crimes doesnt it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Sassycat on February 16, 2009, 09:49:51 AM
http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

Here is a link to Ronalds and Chrstals divorce papers, not sure where to put them, but there is a lot of onfo in them that might come in handy as time goes by........Klaas please move them if we dont already have them.....Thank You

Important distinction here - they were NEVER married - these are paternity and custody papers.

After reading the custody papers, it appears that neither parent should have had custody of those children - or at the very least, both parents should have been tested for drugs.   Is this going to be another case where the grandparents should have stepped in and done something, in the interest of the children?   This is a real eye opener. 

Welcome KeysBreeze!   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 16, 2009, 10:00:18 AM
Was the A/C guy interviewed?  I don't know much about him and doubt I will be able to find it if I read back because I don't have much time.

Thanks!

Hi Flossy, I hope that leprecaun isn't kicking you  ::MonkeyShocked:: owie

I thought the Sheriff had stated in one of the interviews or press conferences that the A/C guy was cleared pretty quickly?

If I am wrong someone please correct........



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 16, 2009, 10:00:51 AM
the name on the deed to the Cummings home is a G. Sapp,    there is also a RSO  with the name of D. Lee Sapp  that lives close to the Cummings residence and I think he might do repair work, could he be related to the owner of the home and maybe he has a key to it......FYI

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

According to the property tax records the home belongs to Phyliss Bard from PA

Thats what I got yesterday too, and I checked PA's SO list ( super user friendly btw) and they aren't So's. I was wondering though if they have a maintainance person down in Fl that they always call or someone local to keep an eye on the property. My guess ( since it is a retirement community mostly ) is that the Bards are now too old to go down there in the winter so they began renting it out.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 10:02:33 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-search-021609,0,4335803.story

Search continues for missing girl, volunteers pull out
Walter Pacheco and Helen Eckinger | Sentinel Staff Writers
7:11 AM EST, February 16, 2009
SATSUMA - Today's updates:

7 a.m. Volunteers are not joining Putnam County deputies this morning in the search efforts for the missing 5-year-old girl.

More than 200 volunteers, including many from Texas EquuSearch, helped sheriff's deputies search the Satsuma area for Haleigh Cummings since Friday.

EquuSearch volunteers spent several months in 2008 searching for missing Caylee Marie Anthony. The toddler's remains were found in December, a short distance from her home. Her mother, Casey Anthony, 22, is charged with first-degree murder in her death.

About 250 volunteers scoured rural Putnam County for signs of Haleigh Cummings, but they failed to find anything suspicious, a Putnam County sheriff's official said at a televised news conference Saturday.

Investigators have determined that several objects found Friday that they deemed "items of interest" are not related to the 5-year-old girl's disappearance, Chief Deputy Rick Ryan said at the news conference. Volunteers and authorities will continue their search today, but officials are suspending dives in the nearby St. Johns River. It's been five days since Haleigh was reported missing.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 10:03:50 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131404&catid=3

Teams to Focus on Two Areas in Search for Haleigh
Posted By: Mike Lyons     1 hr ago

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- The ground search for Haleigh Cummings is expected to end Monday unless there are new developments in the case.

Chief Rick Ryan with the the Putnam County Sheriff's Department says the Equusearch firm is wrapping up its search efforts Sunday.

Ryan says the Sheriff's Office will search two more locations on Monday, then suspend any ground searches unless there is a big break in the case.

The search for Haleigh has been going on since Tuesday morning when she was discovered missing from her bed in her mobile home around 3 a.m.

She went to bed around 10 p.m. Monday night but has not been seen since.

Ryan says police have followed up on 500 tips and leads with no success in finding the 5-year-old.

That includes checking on a missing sex offender in Marion County who has family in Putnam County. The sheriff's office identified him as Chad Reynolds, and his family is doubtful he had anything to do in the case.

Law enforcement officials moved the command center from the neighborhood to the Emergency Operations Center in Putnam County to better handle all the calls and tips.

Ryan says they have exhausted every resource including cadaver dogs in the search.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 16, 2009, 10:08:16 AM
Thanks for the updates Klaas.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: perriwinkle on February 16, 2009, 10:17:49 AM
I think what continues to shock me in these cases is how does someone just vanish...  ANd how is it possible that someone can enter your home and leave no trace of themselves?  It is very upsetting.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 16, 2009, 10:35:18 AM
Custody hearing documents do make one wonder why on earth, if these things are true, that the mother chose to bear not one but two children with such a person.

Custody battles are notorious for their allegations.  Not all are true.  Evidently the court did not believe all the claims or felt the father the better choice of two bad parents.



Agreed Anna, I wouldn't believe all that's written in that report either. That being said I think when Hayley was born that it was a situation of children having children. I thought I saw that Ronald's mother or a relative works for a Sheriff's office too?




Yes, but you know how that can go either way.  My son was friends with the son of the local DA and LE delighted in harrassing this kid as a sort of revenge against his father for imagined slights or prosecution of friends, etc.

So the game wardens may not be so chummy with the Sheriff's department and just as easily might delight in making an example of someone.

I also think that being a lousy hunter in the first place can result in lesser sentencing.  If one actually takes a deer under those circumstances, the  punishment much worse than just attempting to do so.  I did not see in either charge that he was successful in actually taking a deer so that might be why he got lesser punishment.

And never doubt that these people are all of us.  Ever watch Cops on TV?  No, maybe not your children and maybe not mine but a vast segment of our population now seems to participate in just this type of life style.  Far too many by my estimations and standards but it is a choice and a lifestyle now adopted by many.  I have always thought maybe goes back to latch key kids watching too much TV and craving for high drama all the time.

Guess we all have our theories.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 16, 2009, 10:38:43 AM
I don't post much in this thread, but I've been reading here and elsewhere to the point where I could scream. It appears there aren't many family members that don't have a rap sheet, sex offenders here, there and everywhere around these children. Yes HH, I have read also that Misty was seeing the uncle of R Cummings, have no idea if this is true, but would not be surprised. One thing that stood out for me listening to Misty about those blankets, I just don't see her washing blankets at night because one stunk like pee. She is not the Suzi Homemaker type, if there was washing it was to clean up evidence. Also the ramblings about that back door being locked, way to much talk about the door being locked, ubsurd to keep going on about a door. I'm sickened that these children are surround by all this.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 16, 2009, 10:43:41 AM
I think what continues to shock me in these cases is how does someone just vanish...  ANd how is it possible that someone can enter your home and leave no trace of themselves?  It is very upsetting.
What continues to shock me is so many kids living in sub-standard conditions. There are many poor, uneducated folks that have families that do their very best for their children, which does not include breaking the law, constant drug use, etc. I had to walk away for awhile this weekend from this case, I honestly cannot understand the lifestyle of these families.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 16, 2009, 10:45:17 AM
http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

Here is a link to Ronalds and Chrstals divorce papers, not sure where to put them, but there is a lot of onfo in them that might come in handy as time goes by........Klaas please move them if we dont already have them.....Thank You

Important distinction here - they were NEVER married - these are paternity and custody papers.

After reading the custody papers, it appears that neither parent should have had custody of those children - or at the very least, both parents should have been tested for drugs.   Is this going to be another case where the grandparents should have stepped in and done something, in the interest of the children?   This is a real eye opener. 

Welcome KeysBreeze!   


But the alternative is even worse.  At least these two haven't totally lost a child or two as has the Florida welfare / foster program.  It is already far over burdened and inefficient and has been the subject of several tv programs, etc. including the little girl who was missing from the foster care or DHS system or whatever for over a year before anybody even noticed, just fell through the cracks.

Bill O'Reiley used to talk about her often and found many irregularities in that system. 

But here again, I am fearful that ANY state if scrutinized closely will show the same overworked case workers who just can't or don't even keep up at all and kids are shuffled from one bad foster home to another.

I think there are just too many kids in all these systems already.  The paternal grandmother seems to be somewhat stable and sane so perhaps she checks on these kids having had them in her home before.

I hope so.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: perriwinkle on February 16, 2009, 10:45:19 AM
What saddens me is that there are children all over that are living like this RIGHT NOW.  We just have no idea what some babies have to endure.  Being exposed to all kinds of evil before they even know who they are themselves.  The generational moral poverty is overwhelmingly hard to overcome and the cycle begins again. 
It makes me want to help in a very tangible way but the question is, "How?"


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 16, 2009, 10:57:33 AM
the name on the deed to the Cummings home is a G. Sapp,    there is also a RSO  with the name of D. Lee Sapp  that lives close to the Cummings residence and I think he might do repair work, could he be related to the owner of the home and maybe he has a key to it......FYI

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

According to the property tax records the home belongs to Phyliss Bard from PA

Thats what I got yesterday too, and I checked PA's SO list ( super user friendly btw) and they aren't So's. I was wondering though if they have a maintainance person down in Fl that they always call or someone local to keep an eye on the property. My guess ( since it is a retirement community mostly ) is that the Bards are now too old to go down there in the winter so they began renting it out.
Good morning! (O/T: leslee, there is a post for you on page 24 in the thread in my sig!)

What concerns me is that a RSO was living in the same mobile home as they live in. Apparently he is in Tallahassee, but that is way too close for comfort, to me. Did they change locks when moving in?!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: CynInOregon on February 16, 2009, 11:01:31 AM
Good Morning Everyone ... just getting caught up.
TODAY ...that good morning hearts is very pretty !!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: nonesuche on February 16, 2009, 11:03:39 AM
perriwinkle I share your fear but I am unsure if we might have passed the point of no return with this issue. We have so many young celebrities now advocating not marrying and having many babies. Young celebrities are revered by youth in our society now as well so as we see with octomom's obsession with Angelina, I think many of our youth feel it's an given it's okay to emulate or copy? It's almost like the perfect storm that will create more and more children who are brought into poverty at birth, or neglected, or abused, or emotionally or psychologically harmed. (I"m not stating celebrities abuse their children either, that isn't my point)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 16, 2009, 11:10:28 AM
O/t  Sort of

Fire guts Fla. trailer where Jessica Lunsford died


http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Feb16/0,4670,GirlSlainTrailerFire,00.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 11:24:37 AM
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-15/story/turning_to_prayer


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 16, 2009, 11:36:01 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131404&catid=3

Teams to Focus on Two Areas in Search for Haleigh
Posted By: Mike Lyons     1 hr ago

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- The ground search for Haleigh Cummings is expected to end Monday unless there are new developments in the case.

Chief Rick Ryan with the the Putnam County Sheriff's Department says the Equusearch firm is wrapping up its search efforts Sunday.

Ryan says the Sheriff's Office will search two more locations on Monday, then suspend any ground searches unless there is a big break in the case.

The search for Haleigh has been going on since Tuesday morning when she was discovered missing from her bed in her mobile home around 3 a.m.

She went to bed around 10 p.m. Monday night but has not been seen since.

Ryan says police have followed up on 500 tips and leads with no success in finding the 5-year-old.

That includes checking on a missing sex offender in Marion County who has family in Putnam County. The sheriff's office identified him as Chad Reynolds, and his family is doubtful he had anything to do in the case.

Law enforcement officials moved the command center from the neighborhood to the Emergency Operations Center in Putnam County to better handle all the calls and tips.

Ryan says they have exhausted every resource including cadaver dogs in the search.



Back to square one and see what they missed...JMO

Btw tks klaas......-) ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 16, 2009, 11:41:30 AM
Is it true Murt's been out there?
Heard from other boards..........and I myself don't go to his site anymore. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: janetruth on February 16, 2009, 11:43:21 AM
perriwinkle I share your fear but I am unsure if we might have passed the point of no return with this issue. We have so many young celebrities now advocating not marrying and having many babies. Young celebrities are revered by youth in our society now as well so as we see with octomom's obsession with Angelina, I think many of our youth feel it's an given it's okay to emulate or copy? It's almost like the perfect storm that will create more and more children who are brought into poverty at birth, or neglected, or abused, or emotionally or psychologically harmed. (I"m not stating celebrities abuse their children either, that isn't my point)

A lot of these folks don't much keep up with what celebrities are doing.  Families like these have slipped between the cracks a long time ago.  They are uneducated, ignorant, malnourished, emotionally and psychologically damaged, and, IMO, pretty much excluded from what we see as a normal way of life.  Many don't finish high school, let alone go to college or trade school.  They don't read well enough to fill out a job application without help.

It's really sad, but it's almost like a sub-culture, clinging to the fringes of society.

Anyone can become poor.  Especially in this day and age, many of us find ourselves unable to afford our homes and our stuff.  the problem becomes recurring when people see no way out of poverty, and accept it as a miserable way of life.  so, if you've got a couple of bucks left over, why not get high, rather than save it for a rainy day, cos, honey, it's pouring!

I've been poor.  The difference is that I never gave up.  I couldn't afford a car, so I got a bicycle and rode to work.  I rode home with bags of groceries hanging from the handlebars, and a child in a seat behind me.  We went to the library.  We went to school plays, because they were free or cheap.  I did my best to show my kids that there was a world out there, available to us, and to teach them to never give up.

People like this family gave up generations ago.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 16, 2009, 11:57:48 AM
This father seems to have held the same job for four or five years.

These are not the bottom rung of society.

There is worse.

ITA with nonesuche that a part of it may be the gangsta lifestyle.  However, this father was working in a job where he could be routinely drug tested so perhaps it was an attempt to create a better life for himself and his children.  At least in his estimation.

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 12:01:59 PM
Is it true Murt's been out there?
Heard from other boards..........and I myself don't go to his site anymore. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes, Leonard asked him to be there.  I guess Leonard needed someone to video him.  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 16, 2009, 12:03:47 PM
Is it true Murt's been out there?
Heard from other boards..........and I myself don't go to his site anymore. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes, Leonard asked him to be there.  I guess Leonard needed someone to video him.  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Goodness!

What are either one of those two doing there?  No one has been arrested and is in need of a bondsman.

.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: janetruth on February 16, 2009, 12:12:40 PM
Is it true Murt's been out there?
Heard from other boards..........and I myself don't go to his site anymore. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes, Leonard asked him to be there.  I guess Leonard needed someone to video him.  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Goodness!

What are either one of those two doing there?  No one has been arrested and is in need of a bondsman.

.

I think Leonard has become addicted to being on Nancy Grace.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: janetruth on February 16, 2009, 12:14:05 PM
This father seems to have held the same job for four or five years.

These are not the bottom rung of society.

There is worse.

ITA with nonesuche that a part of it may be the gangsta lifestyle.  However, this father was working in a job where he could be routinely drug tested so perhaps it was an attempt to create a better life for himself and his children.  At least in his estimation.

.

I know that.  But they have fallen through the cracks.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Puzzler on February 16, 2009, 12:20:14 PM
Interesting ..............


http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

Ronald Cummings, Misty Croslin and Little Haleigh
Many, many, many of you have asked me to review the case of missing Haleigh Cummings. She went missing last Monday night from her home, and hasn't been seen or found since. Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, tell us that Croslin put Haleigh to sleep, later went to sleep herself, and when she woke up to use the bathroom in the middle of the night, she found the kitchen light on, Haleigh was gone, and the back door was wide open, propped by a brick.

Read moreWhen I watch Cummings and Croslin speak, many things jump out at me. They are so numerous, I don't have the space here to write them all out, but I will identify a few things I've noted:

When I first saw Ronald Cummings crying in his first plea for his daughter, several things jumped out at me. His crying episode was eerily reminiscent of a child's cry. Most adults don't cry like children. He whined, and acted out of breath, yet he wasn't. It was notable and perplexing.

Yet he did sound truly congested; however, no tears fell from his face. Later on, however, he did cry very genuine and sincere tears, and the pouting cry notably changes into a regular cry. I find his behavior inconsistent here, and I can't explain it. Is he under the influence of something? He seems really glassy-eyed.


I am also immediately struck by how he portrays no composure of hope in this interview. He seems to have zero hope that his daughter could still be alive. Why isn't he hanging onto the fact that if he and others get out there, they can potentially find her? This disturbs me.


Why isn't he talking to his daughter on camera? "Haleigh, I'm here for you, if you are watching this. I'm going to find you." Does he even think about her being out there, and watching the news? Why isn't he thinking about being strong for her?

When I see this interview, it seems to be more about Cummings being devastated than finding Haleigh. It's like he is feeling sorry for himself. Why? This is odd. Haleigh's mom, ironically, does talk to her daughter on camera, as I would expect any parent would, if they feared their daughter was kidnapped.


At time marker 1:15, Cummings drops down to the ground crying. This is so unusual for an adult to do. Children do this, but how many adults have you seen do this? Especially when the news is not conclusively devastating yet? How come everyone else who loved Haleigh is so composed and acting "normally", but Cummings is not? Here his cry is very shallow. It's not believable for me.


He says, "I know somebody took my little girl...some sorry piece of trash that will be wasted when its all over." This is baffling to me. Haleigh was once found floating in a nearby waterway and nearly drowned, how could he so conclusively rule this out? How can he so confidently rule out that Haleigh didn't wander away, that he didn't lock the door as he thought he did, that when Croslin's relatives came to visit earlier that night, that they didn't unlock another door or open a window when he was away?

Would you as a parent be so certain about this, especially since you know your daughter wandered away before? This bothers me.


At one point, Cummings says, "All I want is my children…All I want is my child back.” I thought this was very unusual. Another day, he talks about how others are making this situation all about a custody issue. That was really strange, but if we pair that, with this statement above, you have to wonder, is he afraid he won't have either of his children, perhaps, due to something he has done here? Then this strange slip might actually make sense, wouldn't it?


Then he says something that unnerved me in a huge way. Cummings says, "I’d give my life for my child’s life back.”

What? Why is he saying this? It makes no sense. Is that why his cry is so confusing? Does he fake concern and worry, and then really cry over what he may know already happened to his daughter? You would think he would have said instead, "I'd give my life for my child back", but that is NOT what he says. Does this indicate that he believes his daughter is not alive? Is that why he thought earlier, "All I want is my children..." because he fears if the truth comes out, he will lose them, or at least his remaining son?

It's troubling, to say the least.


Notice how Cummings reiterates that he is trying to do the best he can, that someone stole his child while he was at work? Is he building an alibi? Setting a timeline? Why isn't he focusing his energy on getting Haleigh back instead of feeling sorry for himself? Most parents of missing children are focused on getting their children, and don't care at all about themselves, but Cummings is notably different. Most parents know they have to be strong for their children, and work to bring them home. Why not Cummings?


The reporter then asks, "Can I ask when you noticed the back door was open, and if that was what kind of alerted you to something?" Just before the reporter asks Cummings this, he is crying, sobbing and somber. Then listen to Cummings' response to the question. His demeanor and voice change dramatically. It's very notable and very alarming for me. You don't stop crying and change your entire demeanor when you are deeply sobbing and in pain like Cummings wants us to believe he is. You just don't do it, yet oddly Cummings does. Cummings says in an angry, deep and controlled tone, "No. My girlfriend was awake at 3 o'clock in the morning when I got off of work." When he says this there is a deep anger in Cummings voice that appears out of nowhere. It's chilling. Clearly, this question got Cummings angry. Why would that be?


Later in the interview, Cummings says very strangely and out of nowhere, when he deeply sobs, "I do plan to take the trash out when it is time." This blindsides you. It's not related to anything being said at the time. It's like Cummings is in his own world. I am sure like most people, at first you think, what is he talking about?? It's absolutely perplexing.

But when I watch him say it and watch his emotions, he shows pure destitution in his face. Like someone sold his soul. It's absolutely haunting. I can't help but wonder, is this some type of warning he is contemplating suicide "when it is time"? Perhaps, if he were to get caught?

What else could this statement mean? Is he warning us? Is he under the influence of drugs here and extra emotional? Also, just after he says it, and thinks about it, he also shows true distress and sadness on his face. It's alarming and notable. But when the reporter asks the next question, all of these genuine emotions fade away again.


The reporter asks, what would you say to people who may have information out there? Notice Cummings doesn't even think to talk to his daughter again. Why?


Both Cummings and Croslin's body language in all the videos I see displays a sense of defeat. They are hunched over. Their shoulders come forward. They physically look down, and act subdued. It appears they have no hope whatsoever, again and again, that Cummings' daughter will be returned to them. This strikes me as very odd. Why aren't they tense, nervous and anxious to find her? That would be normal. They should be on edge that things might not happen fast enough, yet there is no urgency with these two. Anyone can spot that? Why aren't these two on a mission to find Haleigh? Compare their behavior to that of George and Cindy Anthony. It's notably different.


News reports say that on the 911 call, Cummings was in a rage, and really worried about his daughter. I don't hear that in the call at all. I don't hear any indication of fear, stress or true and genuine alarm. I hear feigned anger, by his threats and choice of words.


Why did Croslin wait 30 minutes from waking up and finding Haleigh missing to alert someone of the possible abduction? Why didn't she summon for help earlier? Especially since she knows Haleigh once wandered off and nearly drowned before?


What predator is going to go into a house late at night, and risk taking one child out of room full of people? Let's say Haleigh wandered outside; there should have been some proof of a door unlocked or something, but Cummings and Croslin deny that. They, instead, tell us that the door where the predator went out, had to be forced closed, that Haleigh couldn't open it, and couldn't reach the deadbolt. This tells us that the door likely stuck when you opened or closed it. That would likely mean the door made a fair amount of noise to open and close it, and it took some effort to open it, right? What predator would use that door?

What predator would turn on a light in the kitchen, risk announcing himself and make it possible to be clearly identified by someone in the house or outside? What predator would take the time to bring or find a cinder block, and take the time to prop the door open? How come there are no signs of forced entry into the home? To me, these are highly unlikely or implausible circumstances.


I also haven't seen Cummings or Croslin participate in any searches reported by any news agencies. Have I missed this? I have looked for it several times. Has anyone seen them help in the search? Post fliers, or go look for her themselves? If they haven't, why aren't they?


Cummings and Croslin have told two different stories of where Haleigh slept that night. This is interesting. You would think their stories would be the same. Cummings told Nancy Grace that Croslin slept in the same bed as the children on February 11. Then on February 12, Croslin says that Haleigh was in a different bed in the same room. Why aren't they getting their facts right?

Worse, when they are both on Greta van Susteren's show, Greta asks, "How far was Haleigh physically from you, Misty?" Croslin says, "Probably, like, not three or four inches away." Look at Cummings' eyes when Croslin talks. They are plastered towards Croslin though he doesn't turn his head. It's very controlling behavior. He is fascinating to watch.

Greta then asks Croslin how far they were apart a second time, and at that time, Cummings shakes his head in a side-to-side motion, indicating he is thinking "no". With that, Croslin backtracks and says, "No, um, I'm not sure. It wasn't that far away." Next, as Greta is talking again getting ready to ask another question, Cummings is trying to coach Croslin, and tell her what to say! I can't hear what he is saying, but why does he feel the need to do this? Cummings then says, "No, I know where the beds were at. They were about four feet apart from the edge of the bed she was in to the edge of the bed Haleigh was in."

These two can't even agree where the beds were placed in this room! Forget about who slept in what bed. This is a huge inconsistency. Clearly, both are capable of describing how far two beds are apart, but if the facts aren't true, we wouldn't be surprised to see such a discrepancy, would we?


Earlier on the Greta show, Greta asks Croslin who was closest to the back door: Haleigh or Croslin? Look how long it takes Croslin to answer that. She makes an "Hmmm...I don't know" expression. Why doesn't she know? She should spout the answer off without thought, but she doesn't. She finally answers and when she does, under his breath, Cummings says, "I'd like to comment." He doesn't say what is on his mind because Greta didn't hear him, but it shows he is controlling nonetheless, over and over.


Also in the Greta interview, Cummings says to Croslin, "Look at the camera" at one point. He gives us every indication he has a temper, and is very controlling and manipulative. Cummings also nods his head when hears what Croslin says at points in the interview, as if he approves. He is scrutinizing her every word, and Croslin knows it.


Croslin also keeps saying the same story over and over again. She says something to the effect that she got up, went to the bathroom, found the kitchen light on, and then she went back and found Haleigh was gone. She always finishes it with "That's all I know." I find her memory of that event is quite sparse and lacking. You would think she would remember more detail. When we recollect a story, oftentimes, we remember different details, or thoughts--things we were thinking at the time. Yet Croslin seems to have no "thinking memories" of her experience. It is more like she is talking from rote memory. She only repeats the same thing over and over again.


The same is true for her 911 call. The details are sketchy at best. Her memories don't flow logically. It doesn't make sense.


911: "911, what's your emergency"

Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."

We just woke up?

911: "OK, when did you last see her?"

Misty Croslin: "Um, we like just...you know...it was about 10 o'clock... we were...she was sleeping- I ...she?...cleaning...

Why doesn't she have normal recollections here?


I so hope I am wrong for Haleigh's sake. It doesn't look good from where I am sitting now.











She makes alot of the same points we have observed.......

I've observed a lot of these points, too.  That's why I've thought from the beginning that something is wrong here.  It's very disturbing to hear the father or gf talking to where you can hardly understand them at one point and then to be clearly talking at another point.  I heard the gf say that the child was 3-4 inches from her and the father said no, it was more like 4 feet.  huh?

Do we know if the father left work during his shift?  Lunch break, etc.  A child would quietly go with a father (terrible thought...just trying to work through what happened).

The father, and, therefore, probably the gf too, has a lot of involvement with drugs in his past. Another poster said that certain drugs can help you pass a poly.  Hmmm...just sayin'



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 16, 2009, 12:34:04 PM
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-15/story/turning_to_prayer
Tim Miller, founder of EquuSearch, said he spent about 2 1/2 hours comforting the father Saturday morning. That included 20 minutes in the woods showing him some of the search teams.
 
"He got teary-eyed, he hugged me and said, 'Thank you. Thank you,' " Miller said. "He's holding onto hope that Haleigh's still alive, but he's facing reality. He said, 'If she's not alive, find her for me.'”


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 16, 2009, 12:36:29 PM
Investigators search
heavily wooded area for
missing girl
Last Edited: Monday, 16 Feb 2009, 11:48 AM EST
Created On: Monday, 16 Feb 2009, 11:48 AM EST

SATSUMA, Fla. - Search teams with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office are searching deep in the woods in a secluded area of Satsuma for any sign of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Nearly 60 vehicles associated with the search are at the location. The exact location has been kept private. The SWAT Team and a mounted patrol are also assisting in the search for the girl.

Texas based Equusearch has pulled out of the search for Haleigh, after volunteers planned to back their bags Monday evening.

Investigators say they are optimistic that they will find Haleigh alive, and they are frustrated that their searches so far have not turned up anything.

Ground teams will be called off after checking two different areas on Monday. Crews will remain on stand-by if they are needed.

Investigators say they have receieved more than 500 tips related to the case.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021609Investigators_search_heavily_wooded_area_for_missing_girl



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 16, 2009, 12:37:28 PM
Has anyone considered that this is the work of Zanny the Nanny???
She's kidnapping children all over Florida.
(just needed a tension break)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 16, 2009, 12:38:19 PM
Just reported on HLN news:  61 officers are searching a grassy field, about 10 mi south of Halieigh's home. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 16, 2009, 12:40:29 PM
Live report at Haleigh's search site on CNN. There are about 61 Sheriff officers searching a 10 acre grassy/wooded area. They are having a news conference at 4 p.m.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: perriwinkle on February 16, 2009, 12:48:45 PM
perriwinkle I share your fear but I am unsure if we might have passed the point of no return with this issue. We have so many young celebrities now advocating not marrying and having many babies. Young celebrities are revered by youth in our society now as well so as we see with octomom's obsession with Angelina, I think many of our youth feel it's an given it's okay to emulate or copy? It's almost like the perfect storm that will create more and more children who are brought into poverty at birth, or neglected, or abused, or emotionally or psychologically harmed. (I"m not stating celebrities abuse their children either, that isn't my point)

A lot of these folks don't much keep up with what celebrities are doing.  Families like these have slipped between the cracks a long time ago.  They are uneducated, ignorant, malnourished, emotionally and psychologically damaged, and, IMO, pretty much excluded from what we see as a normal way of life.  Many don't finish high school, let alone go to college or trade school.  They don't read well enough to fill out a job application without help.

It's really sad, but it's almost like a sub-culture, clinging to the fringes of society.

Anyone can become poor.  Especially in this day and age, many of us find ourselves unable to afford our homes and our stuff.  the problem becomes recurring when people see no way out of poverty, and accept it as a miserable way of life.  so, if you've got a couple of bucks left over, why not get high, rather than save it for a rainy day, cos, honey, it's pouring!

I've been poor.  The difference is that I never gave up.  I couldn't afford a car, so I got a bicycle and rode to work.  I rode home with bags of groceries hanging from the handlebars, and a child in a seat behind me.  We went to the library.  We went to school plays, because they were free or cheap.  I did my best to show my kids that there was a world out there, available to us, and to teach them to never give up.

People like this family gave up generations ago.

I my opinion, it is not the presence or absence of money that causes the poverty of spirit, or morals.  It is the lack of knowledge.  The lack of good mentors.
I grew up with very little money but my parents taught me good work ethics.  How to treat people.  What good choices look like.  I think it is sad when people do not have anyone to go to them and teach them that they can be and do better than they are doing.  I do not know how a society can overcome those obstacles.  As some have said, it is not up to the social services because they can only do so much.  Plus, what is a "safe" home?  You would be surprised what passes as safe.  My sister is a social service worker and she has seem some children living in "safe" homes that you and I would never believe.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  It is sad.     


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 16, 2009, 12:50:05 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131452&catid=17

Search moves south.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 12:52:13 PM
Is it true Murt's been out there?
Heard from other boards..........and I myself don't go to his site anymore. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes, Leonard asked him to be there.  I guess Leonard needed someone to video him.  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: FTLOG~Why do they insist on doing this......if they need attention, go out and find the SO's that haven't registered etc., maybe that will actually save a life ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 16, 2009, 12:52:45 PM
Investigators search
heavily wooded area for
missing girl
Last Edited: Monday, 16 Feb 2009, 11:48 AM EST
Created On: Monday, 16 Feb 2009, 11:48 AM EST

SATSUMA, Fla. - Search teams with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office are searching deep in the woods in a secluded area of Satsuma for any sign of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Nearly 60 vehicles associated with the search are at the location. The exact location has been kept private. The SWAT Team and a mounted patrol are also assisting in the search for the girl.

Texas based Equusearch has pulled out of the search for Haleigh, after volunteers planned to back their bags Monday evening.

Investigators say they are optimistic that they will find Haleigh alive, and they are frustrated that their searches so far have not turned up anything.

Ground teams will be called off after checking two different areas on Monday. Crews will remain on stand-by if they are needed.

Investigators say they have receieved more than 500 tips related to the case.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021609Investigators_search_heavily_wooded_area_for_missing_girl



Thanks for posting this.

O/T: Leroy: There is a little post for you in the link in my sig. (Page 27)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 12:53:43 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29157484#29157484

In this video Ronald speaks to his daughter while standing next to the sheriff during interview and also at the beginning notes that the back door may not have been locked by reporter, but there were no signs of forced entry.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 01:00:23 PM
I'm sure LE has had an advocate talk with Jr......you can get alot of info from a 4yr old as to who has been in the house after dad leaves, etc. I'm worried because LE is so tight lipped in this one, makes me wonder if they know far more than they are letting on and the fact they haven't released the trailer yet nor the polygraph results.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 01:01:58 PM
What if Misty went out and left the front door unlocked and perp who evidently watched the house and knew schedules came in front door and walked out back/side door so as not to be seen.  There's alot of conviction about the side/back door being locked not so much about the front.  And to me if this was an abduction - the perp knew their schedules, habits, and all about Haleigh.  It just seems to me that if LE has had the trailer for a week and found no evidence either of the deed or cover-up and has been in constant close contact with the 2 people of interest and family they would be putting more heat on them if they felt they were guilty at all.  We would be seeing them taken in for intensive questioning etc.  we see none of this by LE this therefore leads me to believe they believe them pretty much.  Thoughts?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 16, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
O/T

And speaking of parents reckless driving with children in the vehicle


NBA Standout Charged With Reckless Driving With Son, 3, in Car
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493764,00.html

This was also one of the allegations in the custody battle.

Can't always blame bad behavior on poverty and ignorance.

.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 16, 2009, 01:21:02 PM
I just got off the phone with G-town police and they are going to check now.....I was told to call back in 30 minutes. I'm shaking now.........
Thank you. OMG I was freaking last night becasue I could do nothing. And here you could and did. This is a good thing you did and I don't know what to say except thank you.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 16, 2009, 01:25:28 PM
An announcement was made on CNN HEADLINERS that a press conference was scheduled for 4:00 PM ET regarding the case.  However ... nothing on the CNN website as yet.

http://www.cnn.com/

Janet

+++++++

New Area Searched For Haleigh Cummings
Monday, February 16, 2009 – updated: 12:26 pm EST February 16, 2009


PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The search for a missing 5-year-old girl was scaled back Monday, but crews are also focusing on a new area. Dozens of deputies are now searching through thick, heavy brush looking for Haleigh Cummings.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18722504/detail.html




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on February 16, 2009, 01:26:36 PM
What if Misty went out and left the front door unlocked and perp who evidently watched the house and knew schedules came in front door and walked out back/side door so as not to be seen.  There's alot of conviction about the side/back door being locked not so much about the front.  And to me if this was an abduction - the perp knew their schedules, habits, and all about Haleigh.  It just seems to me that if LE has had the trailer for a week and found no evidence either of the deed or cover-up and has been in constant close contact with the 2 people of interest and family they would be putting more heat on them if they felt they were guilty at all.  We would be seeing them taken in for intensive questioning etc.  we see none of this by LE this therefore leads me to believe they believe them pretty much.  Thoughts?

I think the girlfriend is a bit on the wasted side and I mean that she's wasting her life away, either being on drugs or hanging onto a boyfriend she doesn't really love and a lifestyle she doesn't really want because she is clueless on how to provide for her own independent life. People without a lot of hope look like this girl. People who have been beaten down by depression look like this girl.  People who abuse their bodies with alcohol and/or drugs look like this girl. Battered women look like this girl.

If she was stealing little snatches of life away for herself, either by having an affair or hanging out at the local dive or hanging out with girlfriends, and that meant she occasionally left that child unsupervised, she may have thought that was an okay thing to do because she'd gotten away with it before. If little Haleigh was a good girl and stayed inside and was quiet and all was well before, maybe the night she disappeared, was another occasion where that child was neglected by the girlfriend.

And when the child turns up missing, that girlfriend knows the boyfriend will blame her. Maybe she HAD to leave a door unlocked because the boyfriend wouldn't let her have a key. I had a friend who barely escaped from an abusive husband and one of the controls he used was to not allow her to have a house key or any car keys.

Maybe the girlfriend had to leave the door jimmied open in some fashion and that child just got out and wandered away or maybe a perp was watching the trailer and walked right in and snatched the child although it just "feels" more likely to me that the child's disappearance had more to do with something the girlfriend did or did not do.

These people do not have to be dirt-poor poverty stricken to feel beaten down by "the system" and to feel the police are not their friends. That may account somewhat for their slumped posture and hopeless attitude. They are  used to being the losers and looked down on.

The girlfriend seems like she's hoping people will forget she had any connection to poor little Haleigh and she probably knows awhole lot more than she's told so far. It probably is her fault in some fashion that child disappeared.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 01:28:27 PM
On the 911 call as soon as it picks up you can hear in the background Ronald outside yell Haleigh's name, also he says to Misty "You let my daughter go out in the middle of the night!?"  He also says (?blank?) is full followed by I will get?,kick?,kill? you Misty. Than he rants on phone to 911 than later in the background you can hear him possibly outside talking to someone saying "my little girl is gone"  Someone asked for more detail on this 911 call last night and this is what I hear on it.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-911-call-haleigh-cummings-mp3,0,6010039.mp3file


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 01:30:27 PM
I just got off the phone with G-town police and they are going to check now.....I was told to call back in 30 minutes. I'm shaking now.........
Thank you. OMG I was freaking last night becasue I could do nothing. And here you could and did. This is a good thing you did and I don't know what to say except thank you.

YW~I know any monkey would have done they same if they had the info I did, just grateful I was online as was Darla.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 16, 2009, 01:42:37 PM
An announcement was made on CNN HEADLINERS that a press conference was scheduled for 4:00 PM ET regarding the case.  However ... nothing on the CNN website as yet.

http://www.cnn.com/

Janet

+++++++

New Area Searched For Haleigh Cummings
Monday, February 16, 2009 – updated: 12:26 pm EST February 16, 2009


PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The search for a missing 5-year-old girl was scaled back Monday, but crews are also focusing on a new area. Dozens of deputies are now searching through thick, heavy brush looking for Haleigh Cummings.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18722504/detail.html




JANET! I have missed you. It's nice to see you. :)

Thank you for the link.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: goodnmad on February 16, 2009, 01:44:51 PM
Good afternoon lovely monkeys! I'm not quite caught up on this case but just listened to the 911 tape. Seems the dad was blaming the girlfriend. She doesn't sound entirely "with-it" though that could be simply caused by fear and shock.

My thought is that someone was watching this little girl and family, likely a "friend" or casual aquaintance. They knew the dad's work schedule and knew that the girlfriend was not all that responsible. That's just a guess.

Very sad.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: goodnmad on February 16, 2009, 01:47:54 PM
Also - saw over on Caylee thread that TES "found some items" that were unrelated to this search. Anyone have a link to a news article? I'm curious what items were.

TIA!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: seemeatthebeach on February 16, 2009, 01:49:46 PM
FOX News after commercial......NEW and DISTURBING information about missing Haleigh Cummings case


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pink angel on February 16, 2009, 01:51:26 PM
Also - saw over on Caylee thread that TES "found some items" that were unrelated to this search. Anyone have a link to a news article? I'm curious what items were.

TIA!

None of the reports ever said what the items were. Just that they were determined not to be items of interest.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: seemeatthebeach on February 16, 2009, 01:53:47 PM
Fox now.....not new info IMO.....talking about the "missing" sex offender


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 16, 2009, 01:58:49 PM
FOX News after commercial......NEW and DISTURBING information about missing Haleigh Cummings case

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I do not receive FOX NEWS.  Updates would be appreciated.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 16, 2009, 02:01:03 PM
Search for Haleigh Moves South
Posted By: Gary Detman     Created: 2/16/2009 11:08:58 AM    Updated: 2/16/2009 12:28:45 PM
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SATSUMA, FL -- The search for Haleigh Cummings has moved to a grassy area less than ten miles from the home from where she vanished one week ago.

More than sixty law enforcement officers from a number of different agencies are combing a field off Highway 17 south of Haleigh's home.

Locals tell First Coast News the investigators have been in that area for the past two days.

Haleigh Cummings, 5, disappeared sometime after her father's girlfriend put her to bed on the night of February 9.

Over the weekend, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office moved its mobile command center out of Haleigh's neighborhood as it shifted toward an investigation rather than a search.

And Haleigh's family, who have been camping out at separate locations near her home, came together for a vigil Saturday night.

Stay with First Coast News at Noon and firstcoastnews.com for the very latest developments in the investigation.

We will have an hour-long special beginning at 4 p.m. on NBC-12.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131452&catid=3





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: janetruth on February 16, 2009, 02:01:46 PM
O/T

And speaking of parents reckless driving with children in the vehicle


NBA Standout Charged With Reckless Driving With Son, 3, in Car
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493764,00.html

This was also one of the allegations in the custody battle.

Can't always blame bad behavior on poverty and ignorance.

.

Oo. 

I never intended to do that.  Neither was I making excuses.  The poster to whom I responded had seemed shocked that there are whole families that live like the Cummings and their extended family.  I thought I was pointing out that there are many such families, bankrupt financially, morally, educationally, and spiritually.  There are also many who are bankrupt in every way except financially.

Apologies for any misunderstanding.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 16, 2009, 02:17:25 PM
Search for Haleigh Moves South
Posted By: Gary Detman     Created: 2/16/2009 11:08:58 AM    Updated: 2/16/2009 12:28:45 PM
Recommend Print Article Email Article Larger Smaller


SATSUMA, FL -- The search for Haleigh Cummings has moved to a grassy area less than ten miles from the home from where she vanished one week ago.

More than sixty law enforcement officers from a number of different agencies are combing a field off Highway 17 south of Haleigh's home.

Locals tell First Coast News the investigators have been in that area for the past two days.

Haleigh Cummings, 5, disappeared sometime after her father's girlfriend put her to bed on the night of February 9.

Over the weekend, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office moved its mobile command center out of Haleigh's neighborhood as it shifted toward an investigation rather than a search.

And Haleigh's family, who have been camping out at separate locations near her home, came together for a vigil Saturday night.

Stay with First Coast News at Noon and firstcoastnews.com for the very latest developments in the investigation.

We will have an hour-long special beginning at 4 p.m. on NBC-12.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131452&catid=3





They have been having 4:00 press conferences daily for this case.

I don't think the fact that they announced there will be one today means there is any news.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 16, 2009, 02:18:00 PM
Search for Haleigh Moves South
Posted By: Gary Detman     Created: 2/16/2009 11:08:58 AM    Updated: 2/16/2009 12:28:45 PM
Recommend Print Article Email Article Larger Smaller


SATSUMA, FL -- The search for Haleigh Cummings has moved to a grassy area less than ten miles from the home from where she vanished one week ago.

More than sixty law enforcement officers from a number of different agencies are combing a field off Highway 17 south of Haleigh's home.

Locals tell First Coast News the investigators have been in that area for the past two days.

Haleigh Cummings, 5, disappeared sometime after her father's girlfriend put her to bed on the night of February 9.

Over the weekend, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office moved its mobile command center out of Haleigh's neighborhood as it shifted toward an investigation rather than a search.

And Haleigh's family, who have been camping out at separate locations near her home, came together for a vigil Saturday night.

Stay with First Coast News at Noon and firstcoastnews.com for the very latest developments in the investigation.

We will have an hour-long special beginning at 4 p.m. on NBC-12.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131452&catid=3

Doesn't sound like they are looking at that field for a live child.......pout -(




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Anna on February 16, 2009, 02:35:24 PM
O/T

And speaking of parents reckless driving with children in the vehicle


NBA Standout Charged With Reckless Driving With Son, 3, in Car
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493764,00.html

This was also one of the allegations in the custody battle.

Can't always blame bad behavior on poverty and ignorance.

.

Oo. 

I never intended to do that.  Neither was I making excuses.  The poster to whom I responded had seemed shocked that there are whole families that live like the Cummings and their extended family.  I thought I was pointing out that there are many such families, bankrupt financially, morally, educationally, and spiritually.  There are also many who are bankrupt in every way except financially.

Apologies for any misunderstanding.


No misunderstandings at all, just posting in general that there is bad behavior in all social strata. 

Also recall Brittany driving with unsecured child in her lap, etc.  Of course when my first child was a baby, there were no restraint laws.  His first car seat would have been a nightmare by today's standards.  I also recall his having sat on cosmetic bag beside me totally unrestrained at all.  In an accident I am sure he would have gone right through the windshield.  I wonder now what I was thinking but was common carelessness back in the day.

My posts are just general and not in response nor directed to anyone in particular unless I specify. 

This trend in parenting has been in the works for some time now, however, and in current economy, I don't see it likely to improve if left on its own.  And it is too large for any one agency to handle.  The only thing I can think of that may bring about much needed elevation of standards if for it to become socially unacceptable to do such things. 

How many kids have to be lost before this kind of social standard changes I have no idea.

Or if it will even happen.  But that's all I can think of that might put a stop to the casual manner in which so many kids are reared and live today.  It is condusive to tragedy happening to the kids.


.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: perriwinkle on February 16, 2009, 02:50:57 PM
Anna,
Very good points.  Janet also.  I think we are all saying the same things but with a few different angles and words. 
This is a sad situation and we look for ways it could be prevented next time.  It is difficult to understand how bad things liket his happen and  in a way, we are all looking at our own lives to be sure WE are not doing things that will leave us open to the
evil happening to US.  It is sad.  This little girl dd not deserve WHATEVER happened or is happening to her.  She went to sleep in her bed and who knows where she woke up....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Cappuccino on February 16, 2009, 03:04:11 PM
Father Of Missing Girl Begs For Search to Continue
5-Year-Old Missing Since Last Week
POSTED: 6:52 am EST February 16, 2009
UPDATED: 2:43 pm EST February 16, 2009

SATSUMA, Fla. -- The father of a missing Putnam County girl is begging a search group to continue looking for his daughter.

Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch wrapped up his search for Haleigh Cumming, 5, on Sunday.

Monday morning, Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, went to Miller’s tent to beg him to stay and help search for his daughter

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Department is planning to wrap up their ground search on Monday as well. They have moved south of Satsuma, where Haleigh was last seen, and they are searching areas near Lake Como and Crescent Lake.

It is unclear why the search area has moved, but deputies said they will provide more information at the 4 p.m. press conference on Monday.    Best guess, HLN CNN will show it live
Authorities said they're not giving up hope that they'll find Haleigh. Deputies said they'll search two more areas before wrapping up the search effort, and they'll continue to follow hundreds of leads they've received over the past week.

It's been one week since Haleigh was last seen in her Satsuma home.

On Friday, deputies said they found some items of interest during a search, but they said over the weekend that those findings were not significant.

"The ground search is not over. We're just suspending those operations pursuant to any additional leads that come in. Again, we've got search teams on standby that we can deploy pretty rapidly to go check those out," Putnam County Sheriff's Office spokesman Rick Ryan said.

Both sides of Haleigh's family gathered for a vigil in her honor over the weekend.

Anyone with information on Haleigh's disappearance is asked to call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0800 or the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse at 888-FL-MISSING


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dolce on February 16, 2009, 03:10:15 PM
Listening to the 911 phone call again, I do not think that this father is involved in any way.  To me he sounds like a broken man who has been dealt the short end of the stick for quite a bit of his life, granted some things that have happened to him are a result of his bad decision making, but given his work ethic and the aparent sound of love he has for his daughter, I do not think he is were I am going to focus my sites on.  He tells the dispatcher the same thing that my brother-in-law told the dispatcher when my 6y/o niece went missing a few years ago.  "If I find who has taken her first, you will be hauling me to jail because I will kill em".  Its a natural reacation from a protective Father.

Listening to the girlfriend she sounds very scattered, not able to focus at all.  I am sure it has to do with the situation itself, but also her age as well.  I am not writing her off my list just yet, but I do think that much of the "iffyness" that I have from her comes from her lack of maturity and not nessessarily out of her harming the child.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 16, 2009, 03:17:45 PM
Snipped

It is unclear why the search area has moved, but deputies said they will provide more information at the 4 p.m. press conference on Monday.    Best guess, HLN CNN will show it live
Authorities said they're not giving up hope that they'll find Haleigh. Deputies said they'll search two more areas before wrapping up the search effort, and they'll continue to follow hundreds of leads they've received over the past week.
Snipped
WS had on their front page this morning in a piece written by the site owner, a statement about Haleigh's case heating up and being the weirdest murder in a long time.  It has since been changed, but wonder if she has some inside information and is waiting to post until the 4:00? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: leslee on February 16, 2009, 03:18:40 PM
the name on the deed to the Cummings home is a G. Sapp,    there is also a RSO  with the name of D. Lee Sapp  that lives close to the Cummings residence and I think he might do repair work, could he be related to the owner of the home and maybe he has a key to it......FYI

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

According to the property tax records the home belongs to Phyliss Bard from PA

Thats what I got yesterday too, and I checked PA's SO list ( super user friendly btw) and they aren't So's. I was wondering though if they have a maintainance person down in Fl that they always call or someone local to keep an eye on the property. My guess ( since it is a retirement community mostly ) is that the Bards are now too old to go down there in the winter so they began renting it out.
Good morning! (O/T: leslee, there is a post for you on page 24 in the thread in my sig!)

What concerns me is that a RSO was living in the same mobile home as they live in. Apparently he is in Tallahassee, but that is way too close for comfort, to me. Did they change locks when moving in?!


Thank you Brandi! I love her ( felt nakey for a few posts) ::MonkeyDance::

Idk about locks, is it standard practice to change them when tenants move out? Any landlord monkeys out there?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 03:22:06 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/02/16/scared-monkeys-welcomes-blink34-true-crime-blog-blink-on-crime-to-family/

SCARED MONKEYS WELCOMES BLINK34 & TRUE CRIME BLOG … BLINK ON CRIME TO FAMILY


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 16, 2009, 03:22:38 PM
Snipped

It is unclear why the search area has moved, but deputies said they will provide more information at the 4 p.m. press conference on Monday.    Best guess, HLN CNN will show it live
Authorities said they're not giving up hope that they'll find Haleigh. Deputies said they'll search two more areas before wrapping up the search effort, and they'll continue to follow hundreds of leads they've received over the past week.
Snipped
WS had on their front page this morning in a piece written by the site owner, a statement about Haleigh's case heating up and being the weirdest murder in a long time.  It has since been changed, but wonder if she has some inside information and is waiting to post until the 4:00? 
Wow, I missed that, very odd to put that out there, she may have some inside info, but kind of irresponsible to put that out there if you ask me. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Leroy on February 16, 2009, 03:23:28 PM
the name on the deed to the Cummings home is a G. Sapp,    there is also a RSO  with the name of D. Lee Sapp  that lives close to the Cummings residence and I think he might do repair work, could he be related to the owner of the home and maybe he has a key to it......FYI

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

According to the property tax records the home belongs to Phyliss Bard from PA

Thats what I got yesterday too, and I checked PA's SO list ( super user friendly btw) and they aren't So's. I was wondering though if they have a maintainance person down in Fl that they always call or someone local to keep an eye on the property. My guess ( since it is a retirement community mostly ) is that the Bards are now too old to go down there in the winter so they began renting it out.
Good morning! (O/T: leslee, there is a post for you on page 24 in the thread in my sig!)

What concerns me is that a RSO was living in the same mobile home as they live in. Apparently he is in Tallahassee, but that is way too close for comfort, to me. Did they change locks when moving in?!


Thank you Brandi! I love her ( felt nakey for a few posts) ::MonkeyDance::

Idk about locks, is it standard practice to change them when tenants move out? Any landlord monkeys out there?

I am not a landlord but just recently rented a house and the landlord did say that they always change the locks each time a new lease is signed.  Inlcuding the locks on the fence and shed.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 16, 2009, 03:23:31 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/02/16/scared-monkeys-welcomes-blink34-true-crime-blog-blink-on-crime-to-family/

SCARED MONKEYS WELCOMES BLINK34 & TRUE CRIME BLOG … BLINK ON CRIME TO FAMILY

Thanks Klaas. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 03:23:56 PM
Snipped

It is unclear why the search area has moved, but deputies said they will provide more information at the 4 p.m. press conference on Monday.    Best guess, HLN CNN will show it live
Authorities said they're not giving up hope that they'll find Haleigh. Deputies said they'll search two more areas before wrapping up the search effort, and they'll continue to follow hundreds of leads they've received over the past week.
Snipped
WS had on their front page this morning in a piece written by the site owner, a statement about Haleigh's case heating up and being the weirdest murder in a long time.  It has since been changed, but wonder if she has some inside information and is waiting to post until the 4:00? 

Thanks Today, interresting. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 16, 2009, 03:35:46 PM
More on Tricia's announcement, about 1/2 down

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=565#comments

I don't think this person believes it.

I'm working my goggle fingers to the bone.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 03:35:52 PM
Found more info on the SO lost.

Reynolds now has an outstanding arrest warrant for violation of probation.

Since his reported disappearance, deputies have had his phone tracked and have contacted his mother and friends. None of those stpes have been successful. Investigators now say Reynolds' phone could be dead or he might have turned it off.

A Sheriff's Office report notes Reynolds was not on a GPS monitoring system.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 16, 2009, 03:36:02 PM
I remain concerned about the lock on the "back" door.

Ronald said it "always" is locked, yet he checks it every day. Why would someone check a locked door every day? Especially one that the children cannot unlock?

And if the lock had been "picked," wouldn't that show some sign of having been picked, unless the "picker" was highly skilled, such as a locksmith?

Something about this back door is not right.

I asked my friend who lives in a mobile home if he changed locks when he bought it, and he said, "No." He also said he did not think it was normal for people in his mobile home park to change locks when they move in.

Just rambling a bit ...



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Blink34 on February 16, 2009, 03:36:24 PM
Snipped

It is unclear why the search area has moved, but deputies said they will provide more information at the 4 p.m. press conference on Monday.    Best guess, HLN CNN will show it live
Authorities said they're not giving up hope that they'll find Haleigh. Deputies said they'll search two more areas before wrapping up the search effort, and they'll continue to follow hundreds of leads they've received over the past week.
Snipped
WS had on their front page this morning in a piece written by the site owner, a statement about Haleigh's case heating up and being the weirdest murder in a long time.  It has since been changed, but wonder if she has some inside information and is waiting to post until the 4:00? 

Doubtful, just the intimation of it. I have heard through the grapevine however that Misty is about to be treated differently in this case. I do not feel she has been honest, and that has cost time.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: misitx5 on February 16, 2009, 03:37:20 PM
O/T

And speaking of parents reckless driving with children in the vehicle


NBA Standout Charged With Reckless Driving With Son, 3, in Car
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493764,00.html

This was also one of the allegations in the custody battle.

Can't always blame bad behavior on poverty and ignorance.

.

Probably too much info but I went to high school with this kid..And my town is full of kids having kids.......I was 19 with my first my DH was 18 and still in his senior year of school...And my town is full of violence and poverty...He is lucky he even made it out of this town most dont....

Bad choices are made by everyone--its just a shame that people make those bad choices when precious children are involved...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 16, 2009, 03:39:24 PM
Keep Kids Safe Through ID Programs


 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131464&catid=3)

JACKSONVILLE, FL -- In light of Haleigh Cummings' disappearance, there's a new focus on child ID programs.

Leslea Amidon operates Ident-A-Kid in Jacksonville and says keeping children safe is her business.

Amidon says thousands of children are lost, missing or separated from their parents each year.

The minutes after that happens are crucial, so Amidon has a kit to provide quick identification information to law enforcement.

Ident-A-Kid provides a driver's license-type card that contains a child's photograph, fingerprint and description.

For more information on this story, watch our special on WTLV-12 at 4 p.m., and First Coast News at 5:30 and 7.


©2009 First Coast News. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, rewritten, or redistributed.


I hope this is a legitimate program and not connected back to KF.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 16, 2009, 03:45:38 PM
the name on the deed to the Cummings home is a G. Sapp,    there is also a RSO  with the name of D. Lee Sapp  that lives close to the Cummings residence and I think he might do repair work, could he be related to the owner of the home and maybe he has a key to it......FYI

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

According to the property tax records the home belongs to Phyliss Bard from PA

Thats what I got yesterday too, and I checked PA's SO list ( super user friendly btw) and they aren't So's. I was wondering though if they have a maintainance person down in Fl that they always call or someone local to keep an eye on the property. My guess ( since it is a retirement community mostly ) is that the Bards are now too old to go down there in the winter so they began renting it out.
Good morning! (O/T: leslee, there is a post for you on page 24 in the thread in my sig!)

What concerns me is that a RSO was living in the same mobile home as they live in. Apparently he is in Tallahassee, but that is way too close for comfort, to me. Did they change locks when moving in?!


Thank you Brandi! I love her ( felt nakey for a few posts) ::MonkeyDance::

Idk about locks, is it standard practice to change them when tenants move out? Any landlord monkeys out there?

I am not a landlord but just recently rented a house and the landlord did say that they always change the locks each time a new lease is signed.  Inlcuding the locks on the fence and shed.

We only change the locks at the new tenant's request. But then again, we have not had any problems in the past - guess I should rethink this?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 16, 2009, 03:53:34 PM
One Week Passes In Haleigh Cummings Disappearance

SATSUMA, Fla. --- Sun-up in Satsuma is much different today than it was one week ago. The streets are lined with memorials saying things like “Bring Haleigh Home”, or “Pray For Haleigh”. National and local media outlets remain on the scene, and the makeshift memorials made by Haleigh Cummings family are growing larger and larger. Today, ground searches for Haleigh are scheduled to cease.

“We feel fairly confident that we’ve left no stone unturned…we have gone over the immediate area of Green Lane where our crime scene is…again---we feel very confident we’ve searched that area over and over and over again,” says Chief Rick Ryan of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office.

Over the weekend hundreds of volunteers searched the areas surrounding Cumming’s home. Investigators say they found nothing of significance to report during those searches.

Detectives have also discarded previous items of interest as no longer being important. On Friday we were told those items of interest were found during searches, but analysis at a crime lab in Jacksonville has proved them to not be of any significance in this investigation.

A footprint found at the back of the Cummings household has also been ruled out as suspicious. Inside the initial police report, investigators found the footprint and noted it, but detectives say it does not play a part in her disappearance.

The command center for the entire operation has also been moved to the Putnam. Sheriff’s officers say the reason is because the office has better resources for the next phase of this investigation. The building is equipped with phone banks and high speed internet so investigators can work leads more efficiently.

<snipped>
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/One-Week-Passes-In-Haleigh-Cummings-Disappearance/8s42KrsBpkuZDDoQi3pnbw.cspx


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 16, 2009, 03:56:10 PM
Snipped

It is unclear why the search area has moved, but deputies said they will provide more information at the 4 p.m. press conference on Monday.    Best guess, HLN CNN will show it live
Authorities said they're not giving up hope that they'll find Haleigh. Deputies said they'll search two more areas before wrapping up the search effort, and they'll continue to follow hundreds of leads they've received over the past week.
Snipped
WS had on their front page this morning in a piece written by the site owner, a statement about Haleigh's case heating up and being the weirdest murder in a long time.  It has since been changed, but wonder if she has some inside information and is waiting to post until the 4:00? 

What has startled me is the reference to ..."the weirdest murder"...  Hadn't heard from LE yet that there has been a murder.  4:00 news conference coming up...



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 04:02:36 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131465&catid=295

Funny pic, I think Tim and Father Ronald on horseback!?!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: seemeatthebeach on February 16, 2009, 04:04:59 PM
HLN.....taking questions now at press conference


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 16, 2009, 04:06:06 PM
Snipped

It is unclear why the search area has moved, but deputies said they will provide more information at the 4 p.m. press conference on Monday.    Best guess, HLN CNN will show it live
Authorities said they're not giving up hope that they'll find Haleigh. Deputies said they'll search two more areas before wrapping up the search effort, and they'll continue to follow hundreds of leads they've received over the past week.
Snipped
WS had on their front page this morning in a piece written by the site owner, a statement about Haleigh's case heating up and being the weirdest murder in a long time.  It has since been changed, but wonder if she has some inside information and is waiting to post until the 4:00? 

Doubtful, just the intimation of it. I have heard through the grapevine however that Misty is about to be treated differently in this case. I do not feel she has been honest, and that has cost time.
Does the change in the treatment of Misty have anything to do with her mother's statement?  It sure made me go hmmmmm.

PS. Two differents sites reporting on Tricia's remarks with screen shots.  I think she actually posted it. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 16, 2009, 04:09:31 PM
Well at the news conf, the dude just said not to give up hope, for the family not to give up hope, that they have hope to bring Haleigh home alive



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Searching on February 16, 2009, 04:14:31 PM
and this goes back to my question.... wonder when bio mom is going to stomp the truth out of dads gf??   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Puzzler on February 16, 2009, 04:17:40 PM
Lock bumping – anything other than a high-security lock can be opened in seconds and without it being obvious that a lock was broken into:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr23tpWX8lM

http://www.medeco.com/about/keybumping/keybumpvideo.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 16, 2009, 04:21:35 PM
Snipped

It is unclear why the search area has moved, but deputies said they will provide more information at the 4 p.m. press conference on Monday.    Best guess, HLN CNN will show it live
Authorities said they're not giving up hope that they'll find Haleigh. Deputies said they'll search two more areas before wrapping up the search effort, and they'll continue to follow hundreds of leads they've received over the past week.
Snipped
WS had on their front page this morning in a piece written by the site owner, a statement about Haleigh's case heating up and being the weirdest murder in a long time.  It has since been changed, but wonder if she has some inside information and is waiting to post until the 4:00? 

Doubtful, just the intimation of it. I have heard through the grapevine however that Misty is about to be treated differently in this case. I do not feel she has been honest, and that has cost time.
Does the change in the treatment of Misty have anything to do with her Crystal's mother's statement last night?  It sure made me go hmmmmm.

PS. Two differents sites reporting on Tricia's remarks with screen shots.  I think she actually posted it. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dolce on February 16, 2009, 04:25:55 PM
I remain concerned about the lock on the "back" door.

Ronald said it "always" is locked, yet he checks it every day. Why would someone check a locked door every day? Especially one that the children cannot unlock?

And if the lock had been "picked," wouldn't that show some sign of having been picked, unless the "picker" was highly skilled, such as a locksmith?

Something about this back door is not right.

I asked my friend who lives in a mobile home if he changed locks when he bought it, and he said, "No." He also said he did not think it was normal for people in his mobile home park to change locks when they move in.

Just rambling a bit ...


Just wanted to comment on this, not playing "Devil's Advocate" as I am only reading on this thread rather than posting much, but you made me go "hmm".
My husband is OCD and checks locks 3 times on ever door and window, regardless if it is used or not, he just has to be sure due to that slight possibility that someone may have used it at one time or another and forgotten to re-fasten the lock.
If his mobile home is rented, its highly doubtful that the locks have ever been changed as that is an additional expense that some landlords just do not care to do, after all its not their stuff that ends up being stolen.  (Not saying all landlords, just some)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dolce on February 16, 2009, 04:30:05 PM
Now I am bagoogled.  The footprint found is insignificant?  It looked to have a lot of dirt around that trailer, why are there not any usable footprints??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Pinki on February 16, 2009, 04:35:20 PM
What did her mother say last night?

Snipped

It is unclear why the search area has moved, but deputies said they will provide more information at the 4 p.m. press conference on Monday.    Best guess, HLN CNN will show it live
Authorities said they're not giving up hope that they'll find Haleigh. Deputies said they'll search two more areas before wrapping up the search effort, and they'll continue to follow hundreds of leads they've received over the past week.
Snipped
WS had on their front page this morning in a piece written by the site owner, a statement about Haleigh's case heating up and being the weirdest murder in a long time.  It has since been changed, but wonder if she has some inside information and is waiting to post until the 4:00? 

Doubtful, just the intimation of it. I have heard through the grapevine however that Misty is about to be treated differently in this case. I do not feel she has been honest, and that has cost time.
Does the change in the treatment of Misty have anything to do with her Crystal's mother's statement last night?  It sure made me go hmmmmm.

PS. Two differents sites reporting on Tricia's remarks with screen shots.  I think she actually posted it. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 04:38:17 PM
Lock bumping – anything other than a high-security lock can be opened in seconds and without it being obvious that a lock was broken into:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr23tpWX8lM

http://www.medeco.com/about/keybumping/keybumpvideo.html


WOW!  So you bump the key until the rings fall in place!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 04:43:07 PM
Oh it's a special key.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 04:44:22 PM
Snipped

It is unclear why the search area has moved, but deputies said they will provide more information at the 4 p.m. press conference on Monday.    Best guess, HLN CNN will show it live
Authorities said they're not giving up hope that they'll find Haleigh. Deputies said they'll search two more areas before wrapping up the search effort, and they'll continue to follow hundreds of leads they've received over the past week.
Snipped
WS had on their front page this morning in a piece written by the site owner, a statement about Haleigh's case heating up and being the weirdest murder in a long time.  It has since been changed, but wonder if she has some inside information and is waiting to post until the 4:00? 

Doubtful, just the intimation of it. I have heard through the grapevine however that Misty is about to be treated differently in this case. I do not feel she has been honest, and that has cost time.

ITA about Misty~I think she is withholding some type of information, and that could very well cost this child her life.........no excuse for that IMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 16, 2009, 04:45:38 PM
What did her mother say last night?

Snipped

It is unclear why the search area has moved, but deputies said they will provide more information at the 4 p.m. press conference on Monday.    Best guess, HLN CNN will show it live
Authorities said they're not giving up hope that they'll find Haleigh. Deputies said they'll search two more areas before wrapping up the search effort, and they'll continue to follow hundreds of leads they've received over the past week.
Snipped
WS had on their front page this morning in a piece written by the site owner, a statement about Haleigh's case heating up and being the weirdest murder in a long time.  It has since been changed, but wonder if she has some inside information and is waiting to post until the 4:00? 

Doubtful, just the intimation of it. I have heard through the grapevine however that Misty is about to be treated differently in this case. I do not feel she has been honest, and that has cost time.
Does the change in the treatment of Misty have anything to do with her Crystal's mother's statement last night?  It sure made me go hmmmmm.

PS. Two differents sites reporting on Tricia's remarks with screen shots.  I think she actually posted it. 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4523.msg674936#msg674936


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 16, 2009, 04:47:22 PM
Hmmm... read this in another forum, going to check it out..

"Nancy Marie Griffis, mother of the bio-mom, Crystal...............her maiden name is JOHNS!"  (this supposedly found thru her marriage certificate) 

---

and remember the SO who lives 500 or so feet away from the Cummings, on Monroe, is Kyle Johns. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: perriwinkle on February 16, 2009, 04:49:05 PM
About the front page of Websleuths....  Tricia is NOT talking about this case when she states

"This is the weirdest and most sad murder in a long time. There is a special place in hell for this perp."

It is actually a link to a DIFFERENT story. 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/home.php?

Check it out.  It is pretty weird.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 16, 2009, 04:58:55 PM
About the front page of Websleuths....  Tricia is NOT talking about this case when she states

"This is the weirdest and most sad murder in a long time. There is a special place in hell for this perp."

It is actually a link to a DIFFERENT story. 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/home.php?

Check it out.  It is pretty weird.


That clears that up, glad that change was made.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: perriwinkle on February 16, 2009, 05:02:18 PM
About the front page of Websleuths....  Tricia is NOT talking about this case when she states

"This is the weirdest and most sad murder in a long time. There is a special place in hell for this perp."

It is actually a link to a DIFFERENT story. 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/home.php?

Check it out.  It is pretty weird.


That clears that up, glad that change was made.

Maybe the link was not active prior?  Just thinkin' out loud....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 16, 2009, 05:13:10 PM
Hmmm... read this in another forum, going to check it out..

"Nancy Marie Griffis, mother of the bio-mom, Crystal...............her maiden name is JOHNS!"  (this supposedly found thru her marriage certificate) 

---

and remember the SO who lives 500 or so feet away from the Cummings, on Monroe, is Kyle Johns. 



The marriage record only gives her maiden name, and doesn't list parents names. They were married in Glen St. Mary in 2002. The witnesses to the marriage were:
Virgil JOHNS junior and Marilen C. JOHNS.

There is a Ruby (82), Virgil (64), and Marilyn (55) Johns, at the same address in Glen Saint Mary, Florida

Marie is about 39 or 40, as per her interview on NG the other night with Crystal.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 05:17:14 PM
Hmmm... read this in another forum, going to check it out..

"Nancy Marie Griffis, mother of the bio-mom, Crystal...............her maiden name is JOHNS!"  (this supposedly found thru her marriage certificate) 

---

and remember the SO who lives 500 or so feet away from the Cummings, on Monroe, is Kyle Johns. 



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns2.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: OriginalKat on February 16, 2009, 05:17:16 PM
First Coast News had a one hour special on Haleigh including the news conference a the beginning. Few things they said was there was a discrepancy on Tim Miller leaving. They said someone with his group said they were asked to leave.
Sherriff on presser said they left because they had somewhere else to go.  I see the picture now is posted of Haleigh's dad searching on horseback so there is a significant difference thana Caylee's family. They showed on Google that now the search area is by Crescent Lake. They said LE  also checking on previous people who lived in mobile home which I assume means "locks" not changed.

They also gave this website http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/home.aspx (http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/home.aspx)
for Amber Alert info for FL. If you notice there is a change on Hayleigh's info noted..it says age and last seen location. I also noticed difference from police report is pink shirt and underwear instead of tan shorts. They also mentioned her status has now been changed to "endangered" which is what it should have been instead of missing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 16, 2009, 05:24:52 PM
TES Haleigh Cummings Search Update 02/15/09


 (http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/haleigh-cummings-search-update-021509/)
On Saturday, volunteer Jan Lawrence from Marion County, FL came to search. She started out on the foot search and worked hard at it for as long as she could. The terrain was too much, not only for Jan, but for many of us. The thick vines and undergrowth were just too much for some searchers, so they returned to the Search Command Center. Rather than give up and go home, each volunteer found another job to do. There is always a job for every person and every skill.

On Sunday, Jan returned. This afternoon, she handed us a piece of paper with some heartfelt words she had written. I think they speak for themselves:

“Young and old, they come to search for a child they don’t even know.  they struggle through dense brush, embedded with thorny vines lying in wait to snare a hiker.  Ohters come on horseback or ATV’s; desperately searching.  Whatever skills and equipment they possess, they come.

The event is well organized and operated for the utmost use of resources and the safety of all personnel.

There’s a job for everyone.  If you are able-bodied, you can search through the rugged terrain.  You can sign in and sign out the volunteers.  You can do paperwork.  You can cook or work the food table.  You can direct traffic.  All it takes is a willing heart, determination and stamina.

Until every lost child and adult are brought home safe, volunteers such as these will do whatever they can to find them.

                  - Jan Lawrence
                    Marion County, Florida

SLIDESHOW (http://www.flickr.com/photos/texasequusearch/sets/72157613848753454/show/)

------------------
Such a difference, no Cindy to call the health department and have the food not allowed.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2n7qbp.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 16, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
Hmmm... read this in another forum, going to check it out..

"Nancy Marie Griffis, mother of the bio-mom, Crystal...............her maiden name is JOHNS!"  (this supposedly found thru her marriage certificate) 

---

and remember the SO who lives 500 or so feet away from the Cummings, on Monroe, is Kyle Johns. 



The marriage record only gives her maiden name, and doesn't list parents names. They were married in Glen St. Mary in 2002. The witnesses to the marriage were:
Virgil JOHNS junior and Marilen C. JOHNS.

There is a Ruby (82), Virgil (64), and Marilyn (55) Johns, at the same address in Glen Saint Mary, Florida

Marie is about 39 or 40, as per her interview on NG the other night with Crystal.




Only other info so far is that it appears that Kyle Johns father is also named Kyle who was born in 1943.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 16, 2009, 05:33:03 PM
Hmmm... read this in another forum, going to check it out..

"Nancy Marie Griffis, mother of the bio-mom, Crystal...............her maiden name is JOHNS!"  (this supposedly found thru her marriage certificate) 

---

and remember the SO who lives 500 or so feet away from the Cummings, on Monroe, is Kyle Johns. 



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns2.jpg)

Thanks Klaas!!!  It's helpful to see that! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: pharlap on February 16, 2009, 05:34:31 PM
TES Haleigh Cummings Search Update 02/15/09


 (http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/haleigh-cummings-search-update-021509/)
On Saturday, volunteer Jan Lawrence from Marion County, FL came to search. She started out on the foot search and worked hard at it for as long as she could. The terrain was too much, not only for Jan, but for many of us. The thick vines and undergrowth were just too much for some searchers, so they returned to the Search Command Center. Rather than give up and go home, each volunteer found another job to do. There is always a job for every person and every skill.

On Sunday, Jan returned. This afternoon, she handed us a piece of paper with some heartfelt words she had written. I think they speak for themselves:

“Young and old, they come to search for a child they don’t even know.  they struggle through dense brush, embedded with thorny vines lying in wait to snare a hiker.  Ohters come on horseback or ATV’s; desperately searching.  Whatever skills and equipment they possess, they come.

The event is well organized and operated for the utmost use of resources and the safety of all personnel.

There’s a job for everyone.  If you are able-bodied, you can search through the rugged terrain.  You can sign in and sign out the volunteers.  You can do paperwork.  You can cook or work the food table.  You can direct traffic.  All it takes is a willing heart, determination and stamina.

Until every lost child and adult are brought home safe, volunteers such as these will do whatever they can to find them.

                  - Jan Lawrence
                    Marion County, Florida

SLIDESHOW (http://www.flickr.com/photos/texasequusearch/sets/72157613848753454/show/)

------------------
Such a difference, no Cindy to call the health department and have the food not allowed.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2n7qbp.jpg)

I didn't know cindy was the cause of ppl not having food when searching for Caylee.
That sucks.......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 05:38:26 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131476&catid=17

Sheriff Says Crews Won't Give Up On Haleigh Cummings
Posted By: Dave Wax     31 mins ago

PALATKA, FL -- Search officials have moved their headquarters back to Palatka, and the main volunteer search party is going back to Texas, but Putnam County officials insist they are not letting up in the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy and Special Agent Dominick Pape met with the media at 4 p.m. Monday to discuss the latest on the search effort.

The theme for Sheriff Hardy was hope. The sheriff kept going back to that refrain, telling the media he wasn't giving up hope, telling the family to keep hoping, and telling the volunteer searchers to keep hoping they find Haleigh alive and well.

Asked why authorities keep interviewing many of the same people, Hardy said, "We'll interview people as many times as we feel necessary," adding that they have received and continue to process many clues.

One clue led more than four dozen law enforcement officers to an area south of Satsuma off Highway 17 near Lake Como.

Sheriff Hardy said even though the search turned up nothing of significance, authorities won't quit until "we recover Haleigh."

"We will follow up on tips," said Sheriff Hardy.

CLICK HERE to see our special Amber Alert section for all the latest on the search for Haleigh.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 16, 2009, 05:39:55 PM
It's been said that Misty's bro and another man and the kids came over to Haleigh's house earlier in the evening, and the AC guy was there too.  Wonder who the other man with the bro was? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 16, 2009, 05:48:21 PM
Hmmm... read this in another forum, going to check it out..

"Nancy Marie Griffis, mother of the bio-mom, Crystal...............her maiden name is JOHNS!"  (this supposedly found thru her marriage certificate) 

---

and remember the SO who lives 500 or so feet away from the Cummings, on Monroe, is Kyle Johns. 



The marriage record only gives her maiden name, and doesn't list parents names. They were married in Glen St. Mary in 2002. The witnesses to the marriage were:
Virgil JOHNS junior and Marilen C. JOHNS.

There is a Ruby (82), Virgil (64), and Marilyn (55) Johns, at the same address in Glen Saint Mary, Florida

Marie is about 39 or 40, as per her interview on NG the other night with Crystal.




I have Nancy Marie Griffis at 43 years old, if that helps.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Wyks on February 16, 2009, 05:52:56 PM
Hmmm... read this in another forum, going to check it out..

"Nancy Marie Griffis, mother of the bio-mom, Crystal...............her maiden name is JOHNS!"  (this supposedly found thru her marriage certificate) 

---

and remember the SO who lives 500 or so feet away from the Cummings, on Monroe, is Kyle Johns. 



The marriage record only gives her maiden name, and doesn't list parents names. They were married in Glen St. Mary in 2002. The witnesses to the marriage were:
Virgil JOHNS junior and Marilen C. JOHNS.

There is a Ruby (82), Virgil (64), and Marilyn (55) Johns, at the same address in Glen Saint Mary, Florida

Marie is about 39 or 40, as per her interview on NG the other night with Crystal.




I have Nancy Marie Griffis at 43 years old, if that helps.

Thanks Brandi! 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 16, 2009, 05:53:18 PM
It's been said that Misty's bro and another man and the kids came over to Haleigh's house earlier in the evening, and the AC guy was there too.  Wonder who the other man with the bro was? 


Wyks ... I was talking on the phone but ... I think I overheard one of the questions presented at the press conference that implied that two of Misty's relatives should be questioned?

Did anybody else catch that?  What exactly was said?

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: janetruth on February 16, 2009, 05:53:50 PM
About the front page of Websleuths....  Tricia is NOT talking about this case when she states

"This is the weirdest and most sad murder in a long time. There is a special place in hell for this perp."

It is actually a link to a DIFFERENT story. 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/home.php?

Check it out.  It is pretty weird.

WS looks a lot different from the last time I was there.  It has been a while.


That clears that up, glad that change was made.

Maybe the link was not active prior?  Just thinkin' out loud....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 16, 2009, 05:59:33 PM
Hmmm... read this in another forum, going to check it out..

"Nancy Marie Griffis, mother of the bio-mom, Crystal...............her maiden name is JOHNS!"  (this supposedly found thru her marriage certificate) 

---

and remember the SO who lives 500 or so feet away from the Cummings, on Monroe, is Kyle Johns. 



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns2.jpg)

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Something is wrong with a system that affords sexual offenders access to the unsuspecting innocent.

Janet


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 16, 2009, 06:01:17 PM
Today, thanks for the slideshow link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/texasequusearch/sets/72157613848753454/show/

Good pictures there.

You can see the tough time they have searching in some places:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image115.png)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 16, 2009, 06:16:32 PM
Hmmm... read this in another forum, going to check it out..

"Nancy Marie Griffis, mother of the bio-mom, Crystal...............her maiden name is JOHNS!"  (this supposedly found thru her marriage certificate) 

---

and remember the SO who lives 500 or so feet away from the Cummings, on Monroe, is Kyle Johns. 



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns2.jpg)

The date on his photo is 2/2/2009 = Is that the day he was released??? Or booked???  Hmmm... 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 06:32:36 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll:: Question to anyone who may know.......I know they took the cinderblock to try and find touch DNA, but IF the light was off and the door WAS locked as Misty stated, wouldn't there by fingerprints on those. It seems like those surfaces would be more condusive to finding fingerprint evidence than the cinder block.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 16, 2009, 06:35:59 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: Question to anyone who may know.......I know they took the cinderblock to try and find touch DNA, but IF the light was off and the door WAS locked as Misty stated, wouldn't there by fingerprints on those. It seems like those surfaces would be more condusive to finding fingerprint evidence than the cinder block.

Maybe he was there in the evening, and the child never did get to bed. Maybe she went willing....and the g/f is afraid to tell. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 06:43:10 PM
okay talking about these SO's here is what Chad did....finally, I've been searching all day for this.

On Sep. 3, 2002, Reynolds broke into a doublewide mobile home in Interlachen, which is west of Palatka. He was 19. He had a small pocketknife and it was late at night.\

He stole cash. He also used the knife to cut away a section of the shorts and underwear of an 11-year-old girl and then touched her private area, the records showed. He was sentenced to serve seven years in prison (with credit for time served in jail awaiting resolution of his case) and 10 years of special probation for sex offenders

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902160908/1002/NEWS01?Title=More_information_about_the_missing_Marion_County_sex_offender_

So yeah, a perp could of broke into a trailer and taken her maybe not him, but he proves it can be done.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: ospainter on February 16, 2009, 06:52:48 PM
okay talking about these SO's here is what Chad did....finally, I've been searching all day for this.

On Sep. 3, 2002, Reynolds broke into a doublewide mobile home in Interlachen, which is west of Palatka. He was 19. He had a small pocketknife and it was late at night.\

He stole cash. He also used the knife to cut away a section of the shorts and underwear of an 11-year-old girl and then touched her private area, the records showed. He was sentenced to serve seven years in prison (with credit for time served in jail awaiting resolution of his case) and 10 years of special probation for sex offenders

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902160908/1002/NEWS01?Title=More_information_about_the_missing_Marion_County_sex_offender_

So yeah, a perp could of broke into a trailer and taken her maybe not him, but he proves it can be done.

Thank you

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Stacey on February 16, 2009, 06:53:11 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131476&catid=17

Sheriff Says Crews Won't Give Up On Haleigh Cummings
Posted By: Dave Wax     31 mins ago

PALATKA, FL -- Search officials have moved their headquarters back to Palatka, and the main volunteer search party is going back to Texas, but Putnam County officials insist they are not letting up in the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy and Special Agent Dominick Pape met with the media at 4 p.m. Monday to discuss the latest on the search effort.

The theme for Sheriff Hardy was hope. The sheriff kept going back to that refrain, telling the media he wasn't giving up hope, telling the family to keep hoping, and telling the volunteer searchers to keep hoping they find Haleigh alive and well.

Asked why authorities keep interviewing many of the same people, Hardy said, "We'll interview people as many times as we feel necessary," adding that they have received and continue to process many clues.

One clue led more than four dozen law enforcement officers to an area south of Satsuma off Highway 17 near Lake Como.

Sheriff Hardy said even though the search turned up nothing of significance, authorities won't quit until "we recover Haleigh."

"We will follow up on tips," said Sheriff Hardy.

CLICK HERE to see our special Amber Alert section for all the latest on the search for Haleigh.



Hello monkeys

Does the word recover mean that they know she is not alive ?
Does anyone know if it was normal for Misty to sleep with the children ?

monkey hugs


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: OriginalKat on February 16, 2009, 07:01:54 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131476&catid=17

Sheriff Says Crews Won't Give Up On Haleigh Cummings
Posted By: Dave Wax     31 mins ago

PALATKA, FL -- Search officials have moved their headquarters back to Palatka, and the main volunteer search party is going back to Texas, but Putnam County officials insist they are not letting up in the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy and Special Agent Dominick Pape met with the media at 4 p.m. Monday to discuss the latest on the search effort.

The theme for Sheriff Hardy was hope. The sheriff kept going back to that refrain, telling the media he wasn't giving up hope, telling the family to keep hoping, and telling the volunteer searchers to keep hoping they find Haleigh alive and well.

Asked why authorities keep interviewing many of the same people, Hardy said, "We'll interview people as many times as we feel necessary," adding that they have received and continue to process many clues.

One clue led more than four dozen law enforcement officers to an area south of Satsuma off Highway 17 near Lake Como.

Sheriff Hardy said even though the search turned up nothing of significance, authorities won't quit until "we recover Haleigh."

"We will follow up on tips," said Sheriff Hardy.

CLICK HERE to see our special Amber Alert section for all the latest on the search for Haleigh.



Hello monkeys

Does the word recover mean that they know she is not alive ?
Does anyone know if it was normal for Misty to sleep with the children ?

monkey hugs


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cookie on February 16, 2009, 07:02:49 PM
Hi all...longtime lurker, first time posting here..

I pray that this little girl will be found alive soon!
You all have a lot of useful info on these cases...

I agree with some of you that the gf knows more than she is saying...that perhaps she did leave the kids alone...or that she had company and does not want to tell the father.
Maybe the missing SO has her...why has he not contacted his parents? he must know that he is being looked for right?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 07:06:20 PM
Hi all...longtime lurker, first time posting here..

I pray that this little girl will be found alive soon!
You all have a lot of useful info on these cases...

I agree with some of you that the gf knows more than she is saying...that perhaps she did leave the kids alone...or that she had company and does not want to tell the father.
Maybe the missing SO has her...why has he not contacted his parents? he must know that he is being looked for right?

Welcome Cookie!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: OriginalKat on February 16, 2009, 07:07:56 PM
M reply didn't make it on the question of LE using "recover". I didn't think they used that word until all hope was gone on live finding. Like when there are plane crashes and it starts as a rescue and then it later can turn into "recover" operation. Maybe the sheriff just used the wrong term by mistake.

I noticed on the police report that Crystal, Hayleigh's mom is listed as 19. Am I reading that wrong? That would mean she was pg at 13? It would also make the maternal grandmothers comment weird the other night when she called Misty a young girl or something to that affect. You are only talking 2 yrs difference in age here with her daughter.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Today on February 16, 2009, 07:08:06 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/oku1pg.jpg)
cookie


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: theboyzmom on February 16, 2009, 07:08:49 PM
Hmmm... read this in another forum, going to check it out..

"Nancy Marie Griffis, mother of the bio-mom, Crystal...............her maiden name is JOHNS!"  (this supposedly found thru her marriage certificate) 

---

and remember the SO who lives 500 or so feet away from the Cummings, on Monroe, is Kyle Johns. 



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns2.jpg)

The date on his photo is 2/2/2009 = Is that the day he was released??? Or booked???  Hmmm... 

I am not sure about Florida but in Michigan, SO are required to report their addresses at a LE office  every quarter and every time they move. often they take pics if the person looks different than the last one (hair change, glasses, weight change etc)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cookie on February 16, 2009, 07:13:24 PM
thanks you lovelies for the welcome!
Is there a thread to introduce ourselves?


Haleigh's mother is on Jane Valez Mitchell's show.  She is really torn up...I feel so sorry for her ....she was asked how she felt about the 17 yr old babysitter and about her story changing...She has questions I suspect that she would love to ask but is trying to stay focused for Haleigh...so sad!



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 07:16:46 PM
Hi all...longtime lurker, first time posting here..

I pray that this little girl will be found alive soon!
You all have a lot of useful info on these cases...

I agree with some of you that the gf knows more than she is saying...that perhaps she did leave the kids alone...or that she had company and does not want to tell the father.
Maybe the missing SO has her...why has he not contacted his parents? he must know that he is being looked for right?

Welcome Cookie!

Hi Cookie!  The article I read and posted earlier states that the missing SO's cell phone appears to be turned off, the police apparently where concerned enough to put a trace thru GPS on it and are not getting a signal from it.  I don't know how all this works, but that's what it said.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Stacey on February 16, 2009, 07:18:33 PM
M reply didn't make it on the question of LE using "recover". I didn't think they used that word until all hope was gone on live finding. Like when there are plane crashes and it starts as a rescue and then it later can turn into "recover" operation. Maybe the sheriff just used the wrong term by mistake.

I noticed on the police report that Crystal, Hayleigh's mom is listed as 19. Am I reading that wrong? That would mean she was pg at 13? It would also make the maternal grandmothers comment weird the other night when she called Misty a young girl or something to that affect. You are only talking 2 yrs difference in age here with her daughter.

Thanks so much


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 16, 2009, 07:23:05 PM
Hi all...longtime lurker, first time posting here..

I pray that this little girl will be found alive soon!
You all have a lot of useful info on these cases...

I agree with some of you that the gf knows more than she is saying...that perhaps she did leave the kids alone...or that she had company and does not want to tell the father.
Maybe the missing SO has her...why has he not contacted his parents? he must know that he is being looked for right?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Welcome/welcome89.gif)

Welcome, cookie!

I have the same thoughts as you just expressed.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Brandi on February 16, 2009, 07:26:33 PM
Gonna go watch the news shows. Although I doubt there is any (news.)

You all have a productive evening.

Good night, all.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: MuffyBee on February 16, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
I'm a landlord in the State of Texas and it is the law (Texas Property Code) for locks to be rekeyed when leasing a property within seven days at no cost to the tenant:

§ 92.156. REKEYING OR CHANGE OF SECURITY DEVICES.  (a) A
security device operated by a key, card, or combination shall be
rekeyed by the landlord at the landlord's expense not later than the
seventh day after each tenant turnover date.

http://law.onecle.com/texas/property/92.156.00.html

I haven't been able to find any laws in Florida that require this, only strong suggestions that it's a good idea to do it. 








Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 07:49:00 PM
okay talking about these SO's here is what Chad did....finally, I've been searching all day for this.

On Sep. 3, 2002, Reynolds broke into a doublewide mobile home in Interlachen, which is west of Palatka. He was 19. He had a small pocketknife and it was late at night.\

He stole cash. He also used the knife to cut away a section of the shorts and underwear of an 11-year-old girl and then touched her private area, the records showed. He was sentenced to serve seven years in prison (with credit for time served in jail awaiting resolution of his case) and 10 years of special probation for sex offenders

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902160908/1002/NEWS01?Title=More_information_about_the_missing_Marion_County_sex_offender_

So yeah, a perp could of broke into a trailer and taken her maybe not him, but he proves it can be done.

Thank you

OS

I agree it can be done, but why is LE eporting NO forced entry if the door was locked?

O/T doc dump went to defense today in Caylee's case, supposed to show fingerprint on duct tape ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 16, 2009, 07:53:35 PM
I think all male sex offenders should be physically and chemically castrated!! Female obviously can only be chemically castrated.................So's are the scum of the earth!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 16, 2009, 08:00:25 PM
Did someone say doc dump ? Whoo Hooo I heard on JVM that the defense got the duct tape thing. I guess I will have to be patient. That would just end all of this for the other case.
.. back to this one, I saw the GMother of Crystal on JVM and she seems to be casting some sort of doubt on Misty and her kin. From what I have read about any of her kin, includng her disinterested daughter, I have a proverb:
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 08:15:06 PM
okay talking about these SO's here is what Chad did....finally, I've been searching all day for this.

On Sep. 3, 2002, Reynolds broke into a doublewide mobile home in Interlachen, which is west of Palatka. He was 19. He had a small pocketknife and it was late at night.\

He stole cash. He also used the knife to cut away a section of the shorts and underwear of an 11-year-old girl and then touched her private area, the records showed. He was sentenced to serve seven years in prison (with credit for time served in jail awaiting resolution of his case) and 10 years of special probation for sex offenders

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902160908/1002/NEWS01?Title=More_information_about_the_missing_Marion_County_sex_offender_

So yeah, a perp could of broke into a trailer and taken her maybe not him, but he proves it can be done.

Thank you

OS

I agree it can be done, but why is LE eporting NO forced entry if the door was locked?

O/T doc dump went to defense today in Caylee's case, supposed to show fingerprint on duct tape ::MonkeyDance::

I would guess witnesses (misty & ronald) stating that door was last known to be locked, than found open with child gone and no physical evident damage to said door qualifies as no forced entry.   I think they are carefully wording it this way so as not to discount what Misty & Ronald are saying.  But at the same time taking note of the fact that the door does not appear to be tampered with to their (LE's) knowledge?  A CYA measure?

OT  woohoo doc dump!  Casey is sooo toast!  But I can't wait to read all about it!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 16, 2009, 08:20:34 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131476&catid=17

Sheriff Says Crews Won't Give Up On Haleigh Cummings
Posted By: Dave Wax     31 mins ago

PALATKA, FL -- Search officials have moved their headquarters back to Palatka, and the main volunteer search party is going back to Texas, but Putnam County officials insist they are not letting up in the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy and Special Agent Dominick Pape met with the media at 4 p.m. Monday to discuss the latest on the search effort.

The theme for Sheriff Hardy was hope. The sheriff kept going back to that refrain, telling the media he wasn't giving up hope, telling the family to keep hoping, and telling the volunteer searchers to keep hoping they find Haleigh alive and well.

Asked why authorities keep interviewing many of the same people, Hardy said, "We'll interview people as many times as we feel necessary," adding that they have received and continue to process many clues.

One clue led more than four dozen law enforcement officers to an area south of Satsuma off Highway 17 near Lake Como.

Sheriff Hardy said even though the search turned up nothing of significance, authorities won't quit until "we recover Haleigh."

"We will follow up on tips," said Sheriff Hardy.

CLICK HERE to see our special Amber Alert section for all the latest on the search for Haleigh.



Hello monkeys

Does the word recover mean that they know she is not alive ?
Does anyone know if it was normal for Misty to sleep with the children ?

monkey hugs

I took this from my dictionary ~  recover ...to get back; to revive; to reclaim; to rescue.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: cookie on February 16, 2009, 08:27:11 PM
My thoughts or maybe it is wishful thinking on my part, is that Haleigh will be found  alive with the missing SO..., perhaps because he is young he will take pity on her and will bring her back, or will drop her off somewhere...although she would be able to recognize him....he could take off on the run...Pray for a miracle for this little girl...there is always hope..
anyone remember Shasta Groene (sp?)? she was found with her abductor...although sadly her brother was murdered by him...
I can not stand pedos...no use for any of them...NONE!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: COgal on February 16, 2009, 08:30:32 PM
I know this is kind of gross, but do you think the authorities look to the skies in cases like this, areas where vultures may be circling?  I don't know if vultures have to see a body or just smell it, as I'm sure as in Caylee's case, it was under tree coverage and in a bag.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 08:40:37 PM
okay talking about these SO's here is what Chad did....finally, I've been searching all day for this.

On Sep. 3, 2002, Reynolds broke into a doublewide mobile home in Interlachen, which is west of Palatka. He was 19. He had a small pocketknife and it was late at night.\

He stole cash. He also used the knife to cut away a section of the shorts and underwear of an 11-year-old girl and then touched her private area, the records showed. He was sentenced to serve seven years in prison (with credit for time served in jail awaiting resolution of his case) and 10 years of special probation for sex offenders

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902160908/1002/NEWS01?Title=More_information_about_the_missing_Marion_County_sex_offender_

So yeah, a perp could of broke into a trailer and taken her maybe not him, but he proves it can be done.

Thank you

OS

I agree it can be done, but why is LE eporting NO forced entry if the door was locked?

O/T doc dump went to defense today in Caylee's case, supposed to show fingerprint on duct tape ::MonkeyDance::

I would guess witnesses (misty & ronald) stating that door was last known to be locked, than found open with child gone and no physical evident damage to said door qualifies as no forced entry.   I think they are carefully wording it this way so as not to discount what Misty & Ronald are saying.  But at the same time taking note of the fact that the door does not appear to be tampered with to their (LE's) knowledge?  A CYA measure?

OT  woohoo doc dump!  Casey is sooo toast!  But I can't wait to read all about it!

Actually in one of RC's interviews he tells a different story and said it was forced entry ::MonkeyConfused:: But, it is obvious to LE that the door wasn't tampered with due to their reports and the initial incident report.

IMO SO's should get ONE stike and there out, period. No probation, parole ......but, I'd prefer the DP frankly.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 16, 2009, 08:50:21 PM
From TES website:


02/16/09  It’s a quiet morning here at the command center, and the crowds are gone.  Law enforcement and Texas EquuSearch have announced that the massive search effort for Haleigh Cummings has been suspended.  We are currently loading up to head home for Texas.

We are leaving with tears in our eyes and pain in our heart, for we have not found Haleigh yet.  However, we are also leaving with many new friends and much hope…for we have met a lot of new people and seen the best that people have to offer.  This search effort has brought out the best in mankind.  When tragedy struck this small community of Satsumah, the residents responded.  Our members and volunteers have been treated with the utmost care and respect and we are so very grateful.

All for the love of a child, strangers and neighbors alike have come together in a massive labor of love.  Thank you, from the bottom of our hearts, to each and every one of you who participated in every way in this effort.

Continue to keep Haleigh and her family in your thoughts and prayers.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 08:58:42 PM
TES Tribute

http://www.youtube.com/v/rf8ZKf2tfiQ&hl=en&fs=1

From the TES website:

http://texasequusearch.org/


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 08:59:20 PM
I know this is kind of gross, but do you think the authorities look to the skies in cases like this, areas where vultures may be circling?  I don't know if vultures have to see a body or just smell it, as I'm sure as in Caylee's case, it was under tree coverage and in a bag.

I bet they do look for things like that.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 09:00:46 PM
TES Tribute

http://www.youtube.com/v/rf8ZKf2tfiQ&hl=en&fs=1

From the TES website:

http://texasequusearch.org/

I can't watch that, makes my heart break and makes me cry like a baby. I know, I'm a wuss....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 16, 2009, 09:11:27 PM
Good Evening Monkey's

I hope Haleigh is safe.. I have had bad dreams about Haleigh for 3 days now.

I think someone is not telling the whole story what happen ..1 + 1 JMO

God Bless Haleigh


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 09:19:35 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18725807/detail.html

Fresh Tip Prompts New Search For Haleigh
Sheriff To Familiy: 'Do Not Give Up Hope'

POSTED: Monday, February 16, 2009
UPDATED: 8:06 pm EST February 16, 2009



An Amber Alert was issued
Tuesday morning for
5-year-old Haleigh Cummings
 VIDEO:
Volunteers 'Heartsick' They Didn't Find Haleigh
Haleigh's 2 Families Pray After 5th Day Of Search
UNCUT 911 Calls 
 
PALATKA, Fla. -- Nearly one week after 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her bedroom, local, state and federal authorities have sent volunteer search-and-rescue teams home but said they will continue "tactical searches" in response to new leads.

Almost from the beginning, authorities treated Hayleigh's disappearance as an abduction.

Late Monday, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy urged everyone involved not to give up hope that the girl will be found alive.

"We're asking the family: Do not give up hope. We have hope that we're going to find Haleigh, and we hope to bring her home alive," Hardy said, his voice cracking. "As I explained it to them with my staff -- we've not abandoned the search. Depending on the urgency of the tip, we have resources ready to deploy."

Sunday, after a six-day search of a 5-mile are around the Satsuma mobile home where Haleigh disappeared at times involving hundreds people, officials suspended general search operations.

But a tip that came in Monday morning prompted about 60 officers to search for hours in a field near Pomona Park -- about 10 miles south of Satsuma. They left without finding anything significant.

Haleigh's family, which expressed support for the decision to scale back the daily searches on Sunday, was openly critical Monday that not enough was being done.

"I asked that we get permission for horses to still be out here to look," Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, said Monday. Its not time to give up its still time. My daughter is still out there, and we want her home."

Volunteers search a five-mile radius around the mobile home where Haleigh Cummings disappeared early Tuesday morning.
 
Crystal Sheffield, Haliegh's mother, also hoped search efforts will continue.

"I feel like they should stay expand the search," Sheffield said. "They need to search other areas, but I do think they should stay."

Florida Department of Law Enforcement Special Agent Dominic Pape confirmed that efforts to find Haleigh have not diminished, just entered a new phase.

"We will continue searching until she is recovered," Pape said. "We will search any place in this county and outside this country if we get a valid lead that says we need to be there."

Authorities said they have received more than 500 tips over the past several days, which is one of the reasons the command center was moved from a trailer in Satsuma to county offices in Palatka, where investigators had access to more resources.

Hardy said Haleigh's mother, father, his girlfriend and extended family members were being interviewed again, even though he has praised them for cooperating over the past week.

"We don't have all our questions answered and, obviously, we don't have Haleigh," Hardy said. "We'll interview people as many times as we feel necessary."

 SLIDESHOW:
Search For Haleigh Cummings
 
 
Channel 4's Laura Mazzeo and Diane Cho report a large number of federal agents and local police at the Cummings' mobile home late Monday afternoon, but no one would discuss what information prompted the response.

Search-And-Rescue Team Leaves Disappointed

After three days of searching the area on horseback and all-terrain vehicles and using high-tech equipment, the volunteer search-and-rescue team Texas Equusearch was preparing to leave Satsuma.

"The hardest thing about our organization is for every person involved to put this kind of effort into it and walk away empty-handed," Equuasearch founder Tim Miller said Sunday night. "It's heart-breaking, it truly is. But you what? When you look at the whole picture, we did everything right. Our hearts were here, our compassion was here, we was focused on what we was doing -- she just isn't here."

Authorities ask anyone with any information to call Crimes Stoppers at 888-277-TIPS or the FDLE's Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse at 888-FL-MISSING.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 16, 2009, 09:24:14 PM
The evidence of Casey's fingerprints on the duct tape is one thing, but if Caylee's fingerprints are on the tape, and her tongue has made an impression on the tape, Caylee suffered and explain then how this could have been an accident and Casey panicked? With talk about the death penalty being potentially put back on the table, I would think evidence of Caylee suffering must be there.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 16, 2009, 09:29:14 PM
TES Tribute

http://www.youtube.com/v/rf8ZKf2tfiQ&hl=en&fs=1

From the TES website:

http://texasequusearch.org/

thanks Klaas!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 16, 2009, 09:31:39 PM
I'm sorry I thought I was back in the Caylee thread, excuse my post about Casey. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 09:35:37 PM
Now it's time for LE to haul butts into the interrogation room and get some real answers!!  Everyone needs to sit in the hot seat in this case.  I still want to believe the dad(Ronald) just something about him....but I've been wrong before.  I'd like to see anyone and everyone that was in that house that day questioned.  I mean the AC guy was there when the BIL and friend were there, so they should all have something to say in regards to this and if any of them saw Haleigh and how she was doing at that time.  And Misty especially should be questioned again and again until a valid timeline comes up.

Now I need to pop in to the CA site and see what's goin on over there!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on February 16, 2009, 09:39:14 PM
Now it's time for LE to haul butts into the interrogation room and get some real answers!!  Everyone needs to sit in the hot seat in this case.  I still want to believe the dad(Ronald) just something about him....but I've been wrong before.  I'd like to see anyone and everyone that was in that house that day questioned.  I mean the AC guy was there when the BIL and friend were there, so they should all have something to say in regards to this and if any of them saw Haleigh and how she was doing at that time.  And Misty especially should be questioned again and again until a valid timeline comes up.

Now I need to pop in to the CA site and see what's goin on over there!!

IMO, Misty (the girlfriend) just sounded on the 911 call as if she didn't want to give out information. It sounded like her mental wheels were turning, calculating. Someone in a panic state is more like the Dad, screaming and yelling and beyond much coherent thought, much less calculting "how much should I say" even as she's saying it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 16, 2009, 09:43:14 PM
Now it's time for LE to haul butts into the interrogation room and get some real answers!!  Everyone needs to sit in the hot seat in this case.  I still want to believe the dad(Ronald) just something about him....but I've been wrong before.  I'd like to see anyone and everyone that was in that house that day questioned.  I mean the AC guy was there when the BIL and friend were there, so they should all have something to say in regards to this and if any of them saw Haleigh and how she was doing at that time.  And Misty especially should be questioned again and again until a valid timeline comes up.

Now I need to pop in to the CA site and see what's goin on over there!!
There is just something about the dad for me too, and Misty I'm not sure about her, it's obvious to me she is scared of Ronald, and she can't seem to get her story straight.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 16, 2009, 09:46:39 PM
Cummings said he believes he and Croslin passed the tests.  Croslin has been in the spotlight as she was the last person to see Haleigh. "I don't care what people are saying about me because I didn't do it," she told Jacksonville.com.

I dont like the words in bold...JMO.. ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Girlfriend-takes-lie-detector-test-in-Haleigh-Cumm/t9cVNconm0Csnv4q6jabaw.cspx


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 09:49:41 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18725807/detail.html

POSTED: Monday, February 16, 2009
UPDATED: 8:06 pm EST February 16, 2009




 
PALATKA, Fla. -- Nearly one week after 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her bedroom, local, state and federal authorities have sent volunteer search-and-rescue teams home but said they will continue "tactical searches" in response to new leads.

Almost from the beginning, authorities treated Hayleigh's disappearance as an abduction.

Late Monday, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy urged everyone involved not to give up hope that the girl will be found alive.

"We're asking the family: Do not give up hope. We have hope that we're going to find Haleigh, and we hope to bring her home alive," Hardy said, his voice cracking. "As I explained it to them with my staff -- we've not abandoned the search. Depending on the urgency of the tip, we have resources ready to deploy."

Sunday, after a six-day search of a 5-mile are around the Satsuma mobile home where Haleigh disappeared at times involving hundreds people, officials suspended general search operations.

But a tip that came in Monday morning prompted about 60 officers to search for hours in a field near Pomona Park -- about 10 miles south of Satsuma. They left without finding anything significant.

Haleigh's family, which expressed support for the decision to scale back the daily searches on Sunday, was openly critical Monday that not enough was being done.

"I asked that we get permission for horses to still be out here to look," Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, said Monday. Its not time to give up its still time. My daughter is still out there, and we want her home."

Volunteers search a five-mile radius around the mobile home where Haleigh Cummings disappeared early Tuesday morning.
 
Crystal Sheffield, Haliegh's mother, also hoped search efforts will continue.

"I feel like they should stay expand the search," Sheffield said. "They need to search other areas, but I do think they should stay."

Florida Department of Law Enforcement Special Agent Dominic Pape confirmed that efforts to find Haleigh have not diminished, just entered a new phase.

"We will continue searching until she is recovered," Pape said. "We will search any place in this county and outside this country if we get a valid lead that says we need to be there."

Authorities said they have received more than 500 tips over the past several days, which is one of the reasons the command center was moved from a trailer in Satsuma to county offices in Palatka, where investigators had access to more resources.

Hardy said Haleigh's mother, father, his girlfriend and extended family members were being interviewed again, even though he has praised them for cooperating over the past week.

"We don't have all our questions answered and, obviously, we don't have Haleigh," Hardy said. "We'll interview people as many times as we feel necessary."
 SLIDESHOW:
Search For Haleigh Cummings
 
 
Channel 4's Laura Mazzeo and Diane Cho report a large number of federal agents and local police at the Cummings' mobile home late Monday afternoon, but no one would discuss what information prompted the response.



Ok, what prompted the local and Fed's to return this afternoon?? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 09:51:20 PM
Cummings said he believes he and Croslin passed the tests.  Croslin has been in the spotlight as she was the last person to see Haleigh. "I don't care what people are saying about me because I didn't do it," she told Jacksonville.com.

I dont like the words in bold...JMO.. ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Girlfriend-takes-lie-detector-test-in-Haleigh-Cumm/t9cVNconm0Csnv4q6jabaw.cspx


Me either, nor many things she has stated ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Dolce on February 16, 2009, 09:52:15 PM
Now it's time for LE to haul butts into the interrogation room and get some real answers!!  Everyone needs to sit in the hot seat in this case.  I still want to believe the dad(Ronald) just something about him....but I've been wrong before.  I'd like to see anyone and everyone that was in that house that day questioned.  I mean the AC guy was there when the BIL and friend were there, so they should all have something to say in regards to this and if any of them saw Haleigh and how she was doing at that time.  And Misty especially should be questioned again and again until a valid timeline comes up.

Now I need to pop in to the CA site and see what's goin on over there!!
There is just something about the dad for me too, and Misty I'm not sure about her, it's obvious to me she is scared of Ronald, and she can't seem to get her story straight.
I agree, she is scared, she is terrified, of Rondald and of the situation.  She is just a child herself!  I have my if's about her, but I still can not pin point if its intuition or if its her lack of maturity and ability to focus.  She is very scattered, which could be the result of drugs at a young age...I do not know as I am not her, but her inconsistancies do bother me, but again it can be age, drug abuse, illness.......I don't know what to think with these people.

1+1 is not equalling 2...but something tells me that is for other reasons unrelated to Haleighs disapearance.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 16, 2009, 09:53:34 PM
Cummings said he believes he and Croslin passed the tests.  Croslin has been in the spotlight as she was the last person to see Haleigh. "I don't care what people are saying about me because I didn't do it," she told Jacksonville.com.

I dont like the words in bold...JMO.. ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Girlfriend-takes-lie-detector-test-in-Haleigh-Cumm/t9cVNconm0Csnv4q6jabaw.cspx


Me either, nor many things she has stated ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope I am wrong but I dont think Haleigh is with us and has passed.. ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 09:58:21 PM
I also noticed on their (Ronald & Misty) interview w/Greta when they are talking about the lie detector results, Misty says "I'm not supposed to discuss this with anyone"  they both over ride her.  She seems to have been rode over her whole life.  Never taught that she might actually have a brain in her head(if she does).   I guess docile and subserviant with no self worth(unsure of herself) is what I'm trying to say?  Maybe not physical abuse, but clearly a victim of repeat mental abuse.


NRCG u got me excited w/all your talk of fingerprints and duct tape...Stop it!!!  JJ Ha! Ha!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: janetruth on February 16, 2009, 10:00:25 PM
I know this is kind of gross, but do you think the authorities look to the skies in cases like this, areas where vultures may be circling?  I don't know if vultures have to see a body or just smell it, as I'm sure as in Caylee's case, it was under tree coverage and in a bag.

Yes they do.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 10:06:38 PM
Yeah, what's up with the local's and the Fed's showing up at the trailer later today??

And still I have gotten no responses for what kind of tape/recording/cd/ could have been seized at the trailer in the initial missing person's report????  Any idea's??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 16, 2009, 10:06:40 PM
I also noticed on their (Ronald & Misty) interview w/Greta when they are talking about the lie detector results, Misty says "I'm not supposed to discuss this with anyone"  they both over ride her.  She seems to have been rode over her whole life.  Never taught that she might actually have a brain in her head(if she does).   I guess docile and subserviant with no self worth(unsure of herself) is what I'm trying to say?  Maybe not physical abuse, but clearly a victim of repeat mental abuse.


NRCG u got me excited w/all your talk of fingerprints and duct tape...Stop it!!!  JJ Ha! Ha!
I have been jumping back and forth btw Caylee and Haleigh forum, I guess I will call it a night, because I don't even know what forum I'm in anymore. ::MonkeyConfused:: Misty should be in school, living at home, not living with an older man, and who knows what kind of abuse this girl has endured in her life. This whole situation is very sad.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 16, 2009, 10:13:56 PM
nrcg, I heard that.  very sad and the longer it goes the sadder it will get.  Poor Haleigh, all these angels taken to early.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: heykim on February 16, 2009, 10:27:01 PM
i wasnt sure if it was just the way the young girl speaks... but when she said i dont care what people think... i didnt DO it...

i screamed at the tv.. didnt do WHAT???????????



SOMETIMES  ya just wish that YOU were the reporter asking the tough questions...



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: janetruth on February 16, 2009, 10:37:41 PM
i wasnt sure if it was just the way the young girl speaks... but when she said i dont care what people think... i didnt DO it...

i screamed at the tv.. didnt do WHAT???????????



SOMETIMES  ya just wish that YOU were the reporter asking the tough questions...



Sounds like Cummings is blaming Misty.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: flamom on February 16, 2009, 10:39:49 PM
i wasnt sure if it was just the way the young girl speaks... but when she said i dont care what people think... i didnt DO it...

i screamed at the tv.. didnt do WHAT???????????



SOMETIMES  ya just wish that YOU were the reporter asking the tough questions...


I was yelling the same question at her thru the TV  ::MonkeyEek::
This isnt lookin very good  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 10:47:37 PM
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Checkpoint-In-Place-To-Help-Find-Haleigh-Cummings/api9o82TU0SsQC0dBhlU1g.cspx

Checkpoint In Place To Help Find Haleigh Cummings
  Contributor: Katie Kosciolek
Email: kkosciolek@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 8:40 pm 


SATSUMA, Fla. -- Officials are working into the late hours of the night, trying to see if anyone can offer information on the whereabouts of Haleigh Cummings.
 
Florida Highway Patrol and the Putnam County Sheriff's Office are coming together for an informational checkpoint on Buffalo Bluff, which is about a half a mile from where Haleigh was last seen.
 
They are stopping everyone on the road to see if they have seen Haleigh or have any information on where she may be.
 
Officials say it is slowing down traffic, but they are trying to get as much information as they can to try and find the missing five-year-old.
 
The checkpoint will be in affect until 2 a.m. Tuesday


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 10:49:21 PM
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Search-Scaled-Back-for-Haleigh/KR49AZdi3UCwBvEsxoT2eA.cspx

(http://wtev.img.cdn.dayport.com/img/dp_thumbs/thumb_1234825681796_0p8480085044413615.jpg)

Search Scaled Back for Haleigh
  Reported by: Mike Tolbert
Email: mtolbert@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 8:26 pm 

 SATSUMA, Fla. -- For days, Karl Powell watched from his dock as search crews headed out into the woods and came back hours later having not found what they were looking for.

“All [my neighbors] talk about is if [searchers] are going to find that little girl,” said Powell.

But the hundreds of searchers headquartered feet from Powell’s home have disappeared. With the massive ground search for Haleigh Cummings scaled back, Texas Equusearch has decided to move on. Their departure is heartbreaking news for Haleigh’s parents.

“There are just so many woods, they need to search everywhere,” said Haleigh’s mother Crystal Sheffield. “I don’t think they should stop. I don’t want them to stop. I want my daughter home.”

Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, spent much of his day on horseback searching with local volunteers. He asked Equusearch repeatedly not to stop their search.

“It’s not time to give up,” said Ronald. “There is still time to look. My daughter is still gone somewhere and we want her home.”

Having lost a daughter himself, Texas Equusearch founder, Tim Miller, knew all too well what Cummings was feeling.

“He’s going through a lot of frustrations right now,” said Miller. “He wants Haleigh back and he’s heartbroken because we have to pull out and it’s heartbreaking for us but we know what we’ve searched. We’ve talked to law enforcement and at this time, it’s best for us to kind of scale back and let them do their investigation.”
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 16, 2009, 10:50:05 PM
It's been too long. I will however pray that I am wrong in a big way. Goodnight all. Whatever happened to this child, she didn't deserve what she was dealt in life with the Turner Syndrome and the BioParents being what and who they are.
Go*&^mmit, this is 2009 and why can't we as a society do any better than this ?
So much money and resources are pizzed away in NAmerica and we are all so educated.
And here we have another innocent child gone Poof ! 
Goodnight all and pray for that miracle


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Dolce on February 16, 2009, 10:52:08 PM
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Search-Scaled-Back-for-Haleigh/KR49AZdi3UCwBvEsxoT2eA.cspx

(http://wtev.img.cdn.dayport.com/img/dp_thumbs/thumb_1234825681796_0p8480085044413615.jpg)

Search Scaled Back for Haleigh
  Reported by: Mike Tolbert
Email: mtolbert@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 8:26 pm 

 SATSUMA, Fla. -- For days, Karl Powell watched from his dock as search crews headed out into the woods and came back hours later having not found what they were looking for.

“All [my neighbors] talk about is if [searchers] are going to find that little girl,” said Powell.

But the hundreds of searchers headquartered feet from Powell’s home have disappeared. With the massive ground search for Haleigh Cummings scaled back, Texas Equusearch has decided to move on. Their departure is heartbreaking news for Haleigh’s parents.

“There are just so many woods, they need to search everywhere,” said Haleigh’s mother Crystal Sheffield. “I don’t think they should stop. I don’t want them to stop. I want my daughter home.”

Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, spent much of his day on horseback searching with local volunteers. He asked Equusearch repeatedly not to stop their search.

“It’s not time to give up,” said Ronald. “There is still time to look. My daughter is still gone somewhere and we want her home.”

Having lost a daughter himself, Texas Equusearch founder, Tim Miller, knew all too well what Cummings was feeling.

“He’s going through a lot of frustrations right now,” said Miller. “He wants Haleigh back and he’s heartbroken because we have to pull out and it’s heartbreaking for us but we know what we’ve searched. We’ve talked to law enforcement and at this time, it’s best for us to kind of scale back and let them do their investigation.”

Has me suspicious if possibly the SO is suspecting foul play by an associated party within the investigation.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: oldfart on February 16, 2009, 11:17:54 PM
klaasend
Thank you for bring that over from the TES web site.

islandmonkey
Quote
I can't watch that, makes my heart break and makes me cry like a baby. I know, I'm a wuss

Being an Old Monkey I had to locate the song / artist
ANGELS AMONG US - ALABAMA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WENJbSPSmqg

I hope you have room on your branch for this old Wuss too.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: higherhopes on February 16, 2009, 11:22:30 PM
Help, my comp says I have viruses, does anybody here know a good antivirus that I could download for free for right now until I can purchase one, I need help, Im comp stupid when it comes to these types of things.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: darla on February 16, 2009, 11:30:21 PM
Help, my comp says I have viruses, does anybody here know a good antivirus that I could download for free for right now until I can purchase one, I need help, Im comp stupid when it comes to these types of things.

HH most antivirus sites have free downloads for a trial period. just type in antivirus protection


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 11:33:21 PM
Help, my comp says I have viruses, does anybody here know a good antivirus that I could download for free for right now until I can purchase one, I need help, Im comp stupid when it comes to these types of things.

AVG is a good free one

http://free.avg.com/


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on February 16, 2009, 11:35:01 PM
Snipped

It is unclear why the search area has moved, but deputies said they will provide more information at the 4 p.m. press conference on Monday.    Best guess, HLN CNN will show it live
Authorities said they're not giving up hope that they'll find Haleigh. Deputies said they'll search two more areas before wrapping up the search effort, and they'll continue to follow hundreds of leads they've received over the past week.
Snipped
WS had on their front page this morning in a piece written by the site owner, a statement about Haleigh's case heating up and being the weirdest murder in a long time.  It has since been changed, but wonder if she has some inside information and is waiting to post until the 4:00? 

Thanks Today, interresting. 
Saw this on the Caylee thread too and doesn't seem like anyone found what I think I found........   where she talks about this being the weirdest murder it links to this:  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493011,00.html   
IE: don't think she is talking about Haleigh


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on February 16, 2009, 11:41:49 PM
Hmmm... read this in another forum, going to check it out..

"Nancy Marie Griffis, mother of the bio-mom, Crystal...............her maiden name is JOHNS!"  (this supposedly found thru her marriage certificate) 

---

and remember the SO who lives 500 or so feet away from the Cummings, on Monroe, is Kyle Johns. 


Wow - that is interesting.
BTW - just saw where periwinkle found what I just posted above (knew I should have finished reading first!) so just ignore my last post! LOL


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Anna on February 16, 2009, 11:45:50 PM
Help, my comp says I have viruses, does anybody here know a good antivirus that I could download for free for right now until I can purchase one, I need help, Im comp stupid when it comes to these types of things.

AVG is a good free one

http://free.avg.com/


IMO, this is the best freebie and is used by millions.  CNET is also a website where you can find all kinds of stuff.  Also a site Major Geeks.  Just put either of those in google and will find lots of links to them.

Can't beat AVG and is used even by pros.

.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Anna on February 16, 2009, 11:48:44 PM
klaasend
Thank you for bring that over from the TES web site.

islandmonkey
Quote
I can't watch that, makes my heart break and makes me cry like a baby. I know, I'm a wuss

Being an Old Monkey I had to locate the song / artist
ANGELS AMONG US - ALABAMA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WENJbSPSmqg

I hope you have room on your branch for this old Wuss too.



Hey, Old Fart!  Good to see you except I can't in that mask.

You are posting link to my local boys, lol.  I encounter them once in a while out and about especially with dogs and horses.  Think the group is mostly retired but they have done a lot for community including a small civic center.

Great song, thanks!

.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2009, 11:57:39 PM
klaasend
Thank you for bring that over from the TES web site.

islandmonkey
Quote
I can't watch that, makes my heart break and makes me cry like a baby. I know, I'm a wuss

Being an Old Monkey I had to locate the song / artist
ANGELS AMONG US - ALABAMA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WENJbSPSmqg

I hope you have room on your branch for this old Wuss too.



Nope~that one gets me too............I have tried to find Laura's song, but haven't been able to find a link that works, probably best if I can't handle these, but the words alone were a three kleenex box song ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: higherhopes on February 17, 2009, 12:02:13 AM
This might be a stupid question, but   when I download a spyware, does that get rid of the viruses and stuff that are on my comp..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 12:07:49 AM
This might be a stupid question, but   when I download a spyware, does that get rid of the viruses and stuff that are on my comp..

HH you are sortof using the wrong words. 

Virus = very bad
Malware = bad
Spyware = bad (in varying degrees - almost all websites now have some sort of tracking software which could be labeled spyware)

AVG = good

It will detect and remove virus, spyware and malware from your computer


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: higherhopes on February 17, 2009, 12:16:44 AM
This might be a stupid question, but   when I download a spyware, does that get rid of the viruses and stuff that are on my comp..

HH you are sortof using the wrong words. 

Virus = very bad
Malware = bad
Spyware = bad (in varying degrees - almost all websites now have some sort of tracking software which could be labeled spyware)

AVG = good

It will detect and remove virus, spyware and malware from your computer
LOL   I figured i was saying it all wrong, but when I tried to download AVG.. it wanted me to complete some kind of shopping thing, like it said complete one of the following and then it would download, I dont know what Im doing at all..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 12:46:32 AM
This might be a stupid question, but   when I download a spyware, does that get rid of the viruses and stuff that are on my comp..

HH you are sortof using the wrong words. 

Virus = very bad
Malware = bad
Spyware = bad (in varying degrees - almost all websites now have some sort of tracking software which could be labeled spyware)

AVG = good

It will detect and remove virus, spyware and malware from your computer
LOL   I figured i was saying it all wrong, but when I tried to download AVG.. it wanted me to complete some kind of shopping thing, like it said complete one of the following and then it would download, I dont know what Im doing at all..

HH - you shouldn't have to do that.  Try from this link:

http://www.avg.com/filedir/inst/avg_free_stf_en_8_237a1428.exe


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 01:36:29 AM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/16/amber_alert_ground_search_for_haleigh_to_end_monday.html

Amber Alert -- Polygraphs Continue On Family Of Haleigh Cummings
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:34:55 AM

SATSUMA -- Authorities in Putnam County said they have left no stone unturned in their search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, but despite their efforts, there are still no clues leading to the girl's whereabouts.

In an afternoon news conference, Dominic Pape, a special agent with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, said  they are moving from ground searches to a more tactical approach of following up tips and leads. They said they would search any place in the country or the world to look for Haleigh.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy confirmed that family members are currently taking polygraph tests.

Investigators admitted they were frustrated, but said they have made progress in their efforts to find Haleigh, who disappeared a week ago from her Satsuma home.

Cummings told Putnam County sheriff's deputies that he left his daughter and son in bed in the care of 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin. Croslin said when she got out of bed, she could not find Haleigh.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 01:55:18 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131483&catid=3&GID=Nz02OXV/aqbpJLx5bz5QcJAyGFiYL5FO0QfKgl0GFvI%3D

Deputies Back in Haleigh's Neighborhood
Posted By: Lindy Thackston     1 hr ago

SATSUMA, FL -- Donald Bard remembers the phone call early last Tuesday morning that woke him up.

His wife Phyllis answered the call.

"We were sleeping and then we received a phone call, the automated phone call that Haleigh Cummings was missing in our neighborhood," said Phyllis Bard.

The Bard's recognized the name right away.

"The home where Haleigh was taken from belonged to my parents," said Phyllis.

It sits right next door to her own home, and Phyllis began renting it out a few years ago after her father died of diabetes complications and her mother died in a car crash 80 days later.

The Bard's first met Haleigh's father, Ron Cummings, last August.

Phyllis says, "They first moved next door to us, and then they needed a bedroom for each of the children he said, and so he asked to rent that house and we rented that to him in November."

She's an adorable little girl," says Phyllis. "Just adorable. She would come over when I was hanging clothes on the line, and I would see the two of them out in the yard playing and she's just, what can I say, a beautiful, adorable little girl. It just breaks my heart that all this has happened."

The Bard's say, almost one week later, it's still so hard to believe. The FDLE Command Center is just yards from their front door, and Monday night, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office teamed up with the Florida Highway Patrol to set up a another roadblock outside the neighborhood.

Sgt. Joseph Wells of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said, "It's just a general set of questions. Were they down here last week, and then if yes, a few more questions."

"We might find that there's a paper delivery or a gas delivery company or something that comes and goes on this day and time and we'd just like to know who was down here and maybe did they see anything."

Sgt. Wells said the roadblock, which will be up until 2 a.m., is part of CART protocol, which is the Child Abduction Response Team.

Just down the road, Phyllis Bard thinks of the missing daughter, and of her own mother, and is comforted.

"I heard on the television, hold on to hope. I heard the sheriff say that, and all of a sudden it hit me, my mother's name was Hope. It's the house of hope. Because if my mother were living, my mother would say, just hang on to hope."




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 01:57:33 AM
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Prayers-for-Haleigh/JytNlr8tX0WlZ75hndgARg.cspx

Prayers for Haleigh
  Reported by: Leslie Coursey
Email: lcoursey@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 12:55 am 



 SATSUMA, Fla. -- Haleigh Cummings' family and friends are keeping the faith, despite their disappointment that police have scaled back the search for the missing 5-year-old.

At another roadside vigil Monday night, a tearful Ron Cummings prayed for his daughter's safe return.  Earlier in the day, he begged to keep an Equuisearch team on the ground looking for her.  Now his friends and neighbors are criticizing police for reducing the number of people looking for Haleigh.  Roxanne Akins feels like, "Everybody's given up on her."

Putnam County Police are still looking for Haleigh around the clock.  However, their investigation now is more tactical.  They're following specific leads.  More information is expected to be released Tuesday morning. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 17, 2009, 03:05:47 AM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/16/amber_alert_ground_search_for_haleigh_to_end_monday.html

Amber Alert -- Polygraphs Continue On Family Of Haleigh Cummings
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:34:55 AM

SATSUMA -- Authorities in Putnam County said they have left no stone unturned in their search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, but despite their efforts, there are still no clues leading to the girl's whereabouts.

In an afternoon news conference, Dominic Pape, a special agent with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, said  they are moving from ground searches to a more tactical approach of following up tips and leads. They said they would search any place in the country or the world to look for Haleigh.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy confirmed that family members are currently taking polygraph tests.

Investigators admitted they were frustrated, but said they have made progress in their efforts to find Haleigh, who disappeared a week ago from her Satsuma home.

Cummings told Putnam County sheriff's deputies that he left his daughter and son in bed in the care of 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin. Croslin said when she got out of bed, she could not find Haleigh.

 ::MonkeyEek:: What the fruck? Is this just bad reporting or did he really state this because I've never heard this, last I heard was he got his daughter off the school bus around 3:30 or 3:45 and he told LE that was the last time he saw her (which seemed odd to me since he worked 3pm-3am). More twist and turns in this case also ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 17, 2009, 03:27:20 AM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/16/amber_alert_ground_search_for_haleigh_to_end_monday.html

Amber Alert -- Polygraphs Continue On Family Of Haleigh Cummings
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:34:55 AM

SATSUMA -- Authorities in Putnam County said they have left no stone unturned in their search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, but despite their efforts, there are still no clues leading to the girl's whereabouts.

In an afternoon news conference, Dominic Pape, a special agent with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, said  they are moving from ground searches to a more tactical approach of following up tips and leads. They said they would search any place in the country or the world to look for Haleigh.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy confirmed that family members are currently taking polygraph tests.

Investigators admitted they were frustrated, but said they have made progress in their efforts to find Haleigh, who disappeared a week ago from her Satsuma home.

Cummings told Putnam County sheriff's deputies that he left his daughter and son in bed in the care of 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin. Croslin said when she got out of bed, she could not find Haleigh.

 ::MonkeyEek:: What the fruck? Is this just bad reporting or did he really state this because I've never heard this, last I heard was he got his daughter off the school bus around 3:30 or 3:45 and he told LE that was the last time he saw her (which seemed odd to me since he worked 3pm-3am). More twist and turns in this case also ::MonkeyConfused::

The only thing I can think of is, the police are not releasing everything at once, just tid bits at a time.
Would like the police to release the total interview of both of them.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 17, 2009, 03:38:10 AM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/16/amber_alert_ground_search_for_haleigh_to_end_monday.html

Amber Alert -- Polygraphs Continue On Family Of Haleigh Cummings
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:34:55 AM

SATSUMA -- Authorities in Putnam County said they have left no stone unturned in their search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, but despite their efforts, there are still no clues leading to the girl's whereabouts.

In an afternoon news conference, Dominic Pape, a special agent with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, said  they are moving from ground searches to a more tactical approach of following up tips and leads. They said they would search any place in the country or the world to look for Haleigh.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy confirmed that family members are currently taking polygraph tests.

Investigators admitted they were frustrated, but said they have made progress in their efforts to find Haleigh, who disappeared a week ago from her Satsuma home.

Cummings told Putnam County sheriff's deputies that he left his daughter and son in bed in the care of 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin. Croslin said when she got out of bed, she could not find Haleigh.

 ::MonkeyEek:: What the fruck? Is this just bad reporting or did he really state this because I've never heard this, last I heard was he got his daughter off the school bus around 3:30 or 3:45 and he told LE that was the last time he saw her (which seemed odd to me since he worked 3pm-3am). More twist and turns in this case also ::MonkeyConfused::

The only thing I can think of is, the police are not releasing everything at once, just tid bits at a time.
Would like the police to release the total interview of both of them.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Me too, I just have the impression that they already have a POI and don't want to let them know they are close to nailing him/her because they no they would lawyer up ASAP........but, my nosy side wants answers to all these loose ends.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Magic Eyes on February 17, 2009, 04:28:38 AM
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Prayers-for-Haleigh/JytNlr8tX0WlZ75hndgARg.cspx

Prayers for Haleigh
  Reported by: Leslie Coursey
Email: lcoursey@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 12:55 am 



 SATSUMA, Fla. -- Haleigh Cummings' family and friends are keeping the faith, despite their disappointment that police have scaled back the search for the missing 5-year-old.

At another roadside vigil Monday night, a tearful Ron Cummings prayed for his daughter's safe return.  Earlier in the day, he begged to keep an Equuisearch team on the ground looking for her.  Now his friends and neighbors are criticizing police for reducing the number of people looking for Haleigh.  Roxanne Akins feels like, "Everybody's given up on her."

Putnam County Police are still looking for Haleigh around the clock.  However, their investigation now is more tactical.  They're following specific leads.  More information is expected to be released Tuesday morning. 


This case is so full of inconsistencies.  When did her father see her last, which bed was she in, what was she wearing?  Even different news agencies are giving differing reports.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Still, it must be heart wrenching to see the searchers leave and not have her found yet.  I have a feeling the LE is on to something and it is not something they want made pubic yet.  They haven't given up on her, of that I am sure.  I do know, from what I have learned since the Caylee case that Tim Miller and Tes work hand in hand with LE.  They would still be searching if LE thought they should.  I am sure Tim hates leaving without finding her, I can't imagine going through what he does.  The family pleading for him to stay.......so sad.  :sad:

Hugs, Magic :smt060


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: theboyzmom on February 17, 2009, 07:49:11 AM
Help, my comp says I have viruses, does anybody here know a good antivirus that I could download for free for right now until I can purchase one, I need help, Im comp stupid when it comes to these types of things.

The best out there is spybot - it is free, offers real time scanning and immunizations.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Mary on February 17, 2009, 08:08:56 AM
I think they should take babysitter/live in to the police station and question her
away from her boyfriend. I think she is afraid of the father.

As for Casey, no finger prints on duct tape. But how about Teeth marks. They
might have taken those prints when she was arrested. I hope so!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 17, 2009, 09:04:59 AM
If this has been said before farther back, just ignore me...
Whatever happened to Haleigh could have happened earlier in the evening...the gf would have all of those hours till father got off of work to try to cover up what happened? she could have "staged" the back door thing with the cinder block having the door open..etc..which would throw off the time line of when Haleigh actually disappeared...
How many 17 yr olds wake up in the middle of the night? they usually sleep so soundly, even through television or radio noises blaring...She was nervous of what father was going to say to her so she actually had been up all night trying to figure out what she was going to do/say....I think that she might have left the kids alone and came home to find HC gone, panicked ......too afraid to tell anyone... why didn't she call 911 right away? or the father? .I agree that she needs to be questioned hard without the father around...she will break if she knows anything...our news just said that they are looking into Misty's cousin who had been visiting the home that night and left right away to go back to Tennessee..anyone know who he is? any info on him?
what about the little brother who just turned 4? children that age are quite verbal and he might know something...I bet he misses HC a lot since they are close in age and must have played together a lot..
My heart is breaking for Haleigh....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 10:12:32 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131517&catid=3

(http://www.firstcoastnews.com/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/090217095213_021709_check_point2.jpg)

Still Following New Leads in Search for Haleigh
Posted By: Dave Wax     Created: 2/17/2009 9:49:14 AM    Updated: 2/17/2009 9:53:01 AM


PALATKA, FL -- Putnam County officials held a news conference at 9:30 Tuesday morning to update the media and the public on the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Capt. Steve Rose with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said the searchers spent time yesterday establishing checkpoints and conducting what he called a "secondary neighborhood canvas."

In that process, officials stopped and searched every vehicle, and questioned the people inside.

Rose said the checkpoint idea was something they had learned while undergoing child abduction response training.

It's designed to go over the same area again, and hopefully be able to talk to someone or see something that may not have been there earlier in the search.

Capt. Rose said their teams gained several important leads in the secondary canvas, but wouldn't disclose what any of them were.

He did say that leads were still coming in locally, statewide, and out of state, and that they were following up on each one.

Asked if officials had come up with a suspect or suspects yet, Rose said, "We are still looking at everybody as a suspect at this time."

The next scheduled news conference is at 4 p.m. We will bring it to you live on First Coast News and firstcoastnews.com. Of course, if there's a major break in the search before then, we'll bring it to you as it happens.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 10:14:09 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131510&catid=3

(http://www.firstcoastnews.com/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/090217085833_021709_spears_haleigh20.jpg)

Face of Missing Girl Up All Over Town
Posted By: Angela Spears     Created: 2/17/2009 8:33:46 AM    Updated: 2/17/2009 9:23:56 AM


 
SATSUMA, FL - The picture of Haleigh Cummings is up all over town.

Everywhere people turn, you can't miss it, from store fronts to the local newspaper, Haleigh's face is staring back at people with the hope that someone has that critical clue to bring her home.

5-year-old Haleigh Cummings vanished one week ago from her home in rural Satsuma, which is just south of Palatka in Putnam County.

READ: INITIAL REPORT SHOWS NO SIGNS OF FOUL PLAY

Her father's girlfriend put her to bed and she hasn't been seen since.

LISTEN: THE 911 CALL

Her picture is the first thing shoppers see when they walk into a Dollar General store.

The door to the Palatka Christian Service Center also has Haleigh's picture taped to it.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office is holding a news conference at 9:30 with the very latest in the investigation.

We will have it live on firstcoastnews.com and First Coast News.

Authorities Monday said they had one more area to search before moving away from full-scale searches to take an investigative approach in the effort to find Haleigh.

"We won't give up on Haleigh," said Sheriff Jeff Hardy.

READ: FBI EXPERT EXPLAINS THE NEXT PHASE

If you have any information in the search for Haleigh, call Crime Stoppers at 1-88-277-TIPS. You will remain anonymous and could receive a cash reward of up to $1,000.

Click here for expanded coverage on the Search for Haleigh.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 17, 2009, 10:17:03 AM
If this has been said before farther back, just ignore me...
Whatever happened to Haleigh could have happened earlier in the evening...the gf would have all of those hours till father got off of work to try to cover up what happened? she could have "staged" the back door thing with the cinder block having the door open..etc..which would throw off the time line of when Haleigh actually disappeared...
How many 17 yr olds wake up in the middle of the night? they usually sleep so soundly, even through television or radio noises blaring...She was nervous of what father was going to say to her so she actually had been up all night trying to figure out what she was going to do/say....I think that she might have left the kids alone and came home to find HC gone, panicked ......too afraid to tell anyone... why didn't she call 911 right away? or the father? .I agree that she needs to be questioned hard without the father around...she will break if she knows anything...our news just said that they are looking into Misty's cousin who had been visiting the home that night and left right away to go back to Tennessee..anyone know who he is? any info on him?
what about the little brother who just turned 4? children that age are quite verbal and he might know something...I bet he misses HC a lot since they are close in age and must have played together a lot..
My heart is breaking for Haleigh....

All great questions we have been pondering because know one really knows when she was last seen OTHER than gf and dad, so this could very easily be possible~plus, I don't buy that she just realized she was "stolen" directly before dad is supposed to get off work. Wy to many questions and even more than several answers to each of those questions.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 17, 2009, 10:22:38 AM
Also, has the bus driver verified that Haleigh got off of the bus and who met her when getting off the bus if anyone? Was she at school that day at all?
I don't buy it that gf just suddenly woke up just about the time that bf was to get home either...too many questions for the gf...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 10:26:28 AM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021709Neighborhood_canvass_conducted_for_missing_girl

Neighborhoods searched
for missing girl
Police canvass neighborhoods for
leads
Last Edited: Tuesday, 17 Feb 2009, 10:00 AM EST
Created On: Tuesday, 17 Feb 2009, 10:00 AM EST

Stephanie Gibson | FOX 35 News

SATSUMA, Fla. - Investigators from the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said they utilized federal, state and local officers Monday night in a neighborhood canvass to find missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

In a news conference Tuesday morning, investigators said they came up with several good leads last night. They also said they conducted a vehicle checkpoint in the area which is an in-house protocol that detectives and administrators train for in cases of missing children.

Investigators would not detail the nature of the searches.

Sheriff's officers said they are confident in a general timeline surrounding Haleigh's disappearance, and are continuing to look at everybody as a suspect.

Only officials with the sheriff's office will continue to search for the missing girl.

Investigators plan to hold another news briefing today at 4 p.m.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Dolce on February 17, 2009, 10:32:16 AM
My gut is telling me foul play was involved with this case.  I feel that if she wandered away or was abducted they would have found her or have a lead by now as to something.  Its a mobile home park and the walls are not block thick they are thin, and children scream...I can imagine that if she were taken she would for sure be a screamer. 
It just does not look very good right now.

If the cinder block was placed on the door as the g/f is claiming by the "abductor" than why are there no footprints in the dirt?  DNA on the cinder block?? How would an abductor know just when and where to find the child within the home?  How would he/she know that the g/f would be asleep and the father not home??  How would he/she know to use that door?  How would they know where to find a cinder block and why use that and not some other means to prop the door open that is closer??

Too many questions.........ugh!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Dolce on February 17, 2009, 10:34:15 AM
If this has been said before farther back, just ignore me...
Whatever happened to Haleigh could have happened earlier in the evening...the gf would have all of those hours till father got off of work to try to cover up what happened? she could have "staged" the back door thing with the cinder block having the door open..etc..which would throw off the time line of when Haleigh actually disappeared...
How many 17 yr olds wake up in the middle of the night? they usually sleep so soundly, even through television or radio noises blaring...She was nervous of what father was going to say to her so she actually had been up all night trying to figure out what she was going to do/say....I think that she might have left the kids alone and came home to find HC gone, panicked ......too afraid to tell anyone... why didn't she call 911 right away? or the father? .I agree that she needs to be questioned hard without the father around...she will break if she knows anything...our news just said that they are looking into Misty's cousin who had been visiting the home that night and left right away to go back to Tennessee..anyone know who he is? any info on him?
what about the little brother who just turned 4? children that age are quite verbal and he might know something...I bet he misses HC a lot since they are close in age and must have played together a lot..
My heart is breaking for Haleigh....

All great questions we have been pondering because know one really knows when she was last seen OTHER than gf and dad, so this could very easily be possible~plus, I don't buy that she just realized she was "stolen" directly before dad is supposed to get off work. Wy to many questions and even more than several answers to each of those questions.
I agree, I have wondered why the "sudden" wake up to use the bathroom around the same time that the father is returning home...coincidence??  Not sure.....inconsistent?  Heck ya!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 11:02:58 AM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/16/amber_alert_ground_search_for_haleigh_to_end_monday.html

Amber Alert -- Polygraphs Continue On Family Of Haleigh Cummings
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:34:55 AM

SATSUMA -- Authorities in Putnam County said they have left no stone unturned in their search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, but despite their efforts, there are still no clues leading to the girl's whereabouts.

In an afternoon news conference, Dominic Pape, a special agent with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, said  they are moving from ground searches to a more tactical approach of following up tips and leads. They said they would search any place in the country or the world to look for Haleigh.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy confirmed that family members are currently taking polygraph tests.

Investigators admitted they were frustrated, but said they have made progress in their efforts to find Haleigh, who disappeared a week ago from her Satsuma home.

Cummings told Putnam County sheriff's deputies that he left his daughter and son in bed in the care of 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin. Croslin said when she got out of bed, she could not find Haleigh.

 ::MonkeyEek:: What the fruck? Is this just bad reporting or did he really state this because I've never heard this, last I heard was he got his daughter off the school bus around 3:30 or 3:45 and he told LE that was the last time he saw her (which seemed odd to me since he worked 3pm-3am). More twist and turns in this case also ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know if Ron hours changed but he did state to the judge he had to be in work by 6pm.. hours- 6 to 3am... ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 17, 2009, 11:07:10 AM
Sorry if this has been posted. I am not involved in this case (my choice) and I do not spend time here.

Amber Alert -- New Leads In Search For Haleigh
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:35:43 AM

SATSUMA -- Putnam County investigators said new tips in the search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings have led detectives to places around Florida and even out-of state.

At a press conference Tuesday morning, Capt. Steve Rose, with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said detectives canvassed the Satsuma neighborhood last night and found new people they had not spoken to about the girl's disappearance.

"We were able to come up with several good leads that we are following up on," Rose said. "Those leads, as I said, were a result of doing the neighborhood canvas last night."

Several people have taken polygraph tests, including Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, 25, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, 17.

Croslin was the last person to see Haleigh before she disappeared.

Ronald Cummings told deputies he left his daughter and son in bed in Croslin's care. Croslin said when she got out of bed, she could not find Haleigh.

Investigators would not release information about what the polygraph tests showed, or comment on whether they still believe Croslin is telling the truth.  (IF THEY BELIEVED HER, they would say so!)

Officials would also not answer questions about Croslin, including where she was, and if she had access to a car during the time Haleigh disappeared from her Satsuma home. They simply said they are looking at everyone.

"We are still looking at everybody as a suspect," Rose said.

The ground search for the missing child has ended, but investigators will continue to work on leads.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/17/amber_alert__haleighs_father_begs_for_search_to_continue.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Blumonkey on February 17, 2009, 11:50:34 AM
If this has been said before farther back, just ignore me...
Whatever happened to Haleigh could have happened earlier in the evening...the gf would have all of those hours till father got off of work to try to cover up what happened? she could have "staged" the back door thing with the cinder block having the door open..etc..which would throw off the time line of when Haleigh actually disappeared...
How many 17 yr olds wake up in the middle of the night? they usually sleep so soundly, even through television or radio noises blaring...She was nervous of what father was going to say to her so she actually had been up all night trying to figure out what she was going to do/say....I think that she might have left the kids alone and came home to find HC gone, panicked ......too afraid to tell anyone... why didn't she call 911 right away? or the father? .I agree that she needs to be questioned hard without the father around...she will break if she knows anything...our news just said that they are looking into Misty's cousin who had been visiting the home that night and left right away to go back to Tennessee..anyone know who he is? any info on him?
what about the little brother who just turned 4? children that age are quite verbal and he might know something...I bet he misses HC a lot since they are close in age and must have played together a lot..
My heart is breaking for Haleigh....

All great questions we have been pondering because know one really knows when she was last seen OTHER than gf and dad, so this could very easily be possible~plus, I don't buy that she just realized she was "stolen" directly before dad is supposed to get off work. Wy to many questions and even more than several answers to each of those questions.
I agree, I have wondered why the "sudden" wake up to use the bathroom around the same time that the father is returning home...coincidence??  Not sure.....inconsistent?  Heck ya!
Most teenagers do not awaken at night to go to the restroom.Most can sleep 12 hrs.or longer at night without getting up.By her account she went to bed at ten p.m. & had to get up at 3 a.m.-5 hrs. later.I wonder if anyone saw Hayleigh after the dad went to work. This seems staged to me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: CynInOregon on February 17, 2009, 11:57:15 AM
I don't want to have to add Haleigh to my Heather and Caylee Angels !   ::MonkeyNoNo::

My prayers this morning are for some word on Haleigh and Adji.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 11:57:30 AM
Official: We are checking on leads involving Haleigh Cummings

 (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-girl-021709,0,5829153.story)
Today's Updates

9:53 a.m. New tips generated overnight have led Putnam County investigators to places around Florida and even out-of-state to search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Detectives canvassed the Satsuma neighborhood last night and found new people they hadn't spoken to the first time they did a "knock and talk" last week, an official said.

Several people have been taken polygraph tests, including Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings, 25, and his girlfriend Misty Croslin, 17.

Croslin was the last person to see Haleigh before she disappeared. Investigators would not release information about what those tests showed or comment on whether they still believe Croslin is telling the truth.

The ground search for the missing child has ended, but investigators will continue to work on leads.

Quote
9:53 a.m. New tips generated overnight have led Putnam County investigators to places around Florida and even out-of-state to search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Remember on Sunday during a news conference when Haleigh's grandma is trying to give the impression she is having psychic impressions  hearing Georgia / Alabama. Believes she is out of the state but ok.  

You can search for posts on the 15th around 9 pm est on forum for more information.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: CynInOregon on February 17, 2009, 11:58:14 AM
I don't want to have to add Haleigh or Adji to my Heather and Caylee Angels !   ::MonkeyNoNo::

My prayers this morning are for some word on Haleigh and Adji.
Self edited because I type to fast.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 12:00:51 PM
SATSUMA, FL -- Donald Bard remembers the phone call early last Tuesday morning that woke him up.

His wife Phyllis answered the call.

"We were sleeping and then we received a phone call, the automated phone call that Haleigh Cummings was missing in our neighborhood," said Phyllis Bard.

The Bard's recognized the name right away.

"The home where Haleigh was taken from belonged to my parents," said Phyllis.

It sits right next door to her own home, and Phyllis began renting it out a few years ago after her father died of diabetes complications and her mother died in a car crash 80 days later.

The Bard's first met Haleigh's father, Ron Cummings, last August.

Phyllis says, "They first moved next door to us, and then they needed a bedroom for each of the children he said, and so he asked to rent that house and we rented that to him in November."

She's an adorable little girl," says Phyllis. "Just adorable. She would come over when I was hanging clothes on the line, and I would see the two of them out in the yard playing and she's just, what can I say, a beautiful, adorable little girl. It just breaks my heart that all this has happened."

The Bard's say, almost one week later, it's still so hard to believe. The FDLE Command Center is just yards from their front door, and Monday night, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office teamed up with the Florida Highway Patrol to set up a another roadblock outside the neighborhood.

Sgt. Joseph Wells of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said, "It's just a general set of questions. Were they down here last week, and then if yes, a few more questions."

"We might find that there's a paper delivery or a gas delivery company or something that comes and goes on this day and time and we'd just like to know who was down here and maybe did they see anything."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131483&provider=top


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 17, 2009, 12:30:36 PM
So they have only been in this trailer for less than 4 months, prior to this they were nextdoor to the landlord phyliss bard.  Also in regards to door locks on rental properties, my husband works for C21 and does rentals during the year and we own a rental ourselves and very little lock changing goes on......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: A's Fever on February 17, 2009, 12:43:25 PM
Shoot, I was so hoping for some positive news today or a breakthrough!

Seems odd that they are still doing polygraphs on the families at this late date.  Unless they are going deeper into extended family. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 01:06:44 PM
The custody hearing docs... Ron starts work 6pm and works the latest 6am.. ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 01:21:23 PM
Police follow new leads in search for missing girl

 (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/17/missing.florida.girl/index.html)
updated 37 minutes ago

(CNN) -- Investigators are pursuing several new leads in the case of a missing 5-year-old girl in Florida, they said Tuesday.
 
Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings, 5, who vanished a week ago, may have been abducted, police say.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office on Monday night searched the neighborhood of Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings, who vanished a week ago. Deputies also searched surrounding neighborhoods.

Authorities said the girl may have been abducted.

Officials wouldn't release any details on the leads.

"Those leads, like I said, are as a result of doing the neighborhood canvass last night, and we will be following up on those leads today," said Capt. Steve Rose of the Putnam Sheriff's Office.

Rose said investigators also conducted a checkpoint in the area last night.

Ronald Cummings' girlfriend, 17-year-old Misty Croslin, told police she was watching Haleigh when she went missing sometime before dawn February 10.

Cummings shares his double-wide mobile home with Croslin, daughter Haleigh and a 4-year-old son in Satsuma, east of Gainesville. He has said that when he returned home at 3 a.m. ET, he was surprised to see Croslin awake and asked her why she was up.

Croslin waited until Cummings came home to phone 911 about the girl's disappearance, though it's unclear how long that wait was. Police said last week that Croslin had tucked the girl and her brother into bed at 8 p.m. before going to sleep at 10. The girl, boy and Croslin usually sleep in the same bed.

Officials said they originally thought Haleigh may have wandered outside on her own but are now certain that she was abducted.

Investigators are looking into various angles of the case, including finding out the location of 44 registered sexual offenders who live within a five-mile radius of the Cummings home, said Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam Sheriff's Office.

A nationwide Amber Alert said the girl was last seen wearing a pink shirt and underwear.

Sounds like all the SO have not been interviewed and/or found yet.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 01:26:47 PM
Didn't realize that sheriff was newly elected.

Big Case for New Sheriff

 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131480&catid=3)


PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- Jerry's Drive-In is a beloved local hang-out in Palatka. The cheeseburgers are stacked high and the hot conversation for the past week has been about the new sheriff and the biggest case this county has seen in years.

That's the case of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

And the new sheriff is Jeff Hardy.

Ed Killebrew sits at a booth for lunch and says, "It's hard for him, I'm sure just getting into office. But he's been a dedicated law enforcement officer for many years. He knows what he's doing."

Hardy was first a deputy in Broward County. He then joined the Putnam County Sheriff's Office and worked for it for almost 15 years. While there he was a deputy, a detective, and he worked in the narcotics unit.

In 2005, he was hired as a sworn police administrator for the Putnam County School District.

In 2008, Hardy ran for Putnam County Sheriff and won by a landslide.

In January of 2009, Hardy officially became Sheriff.

A few weeks later in February, Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her home in Satsuma.

The case has thrust Hardy and Putnam County into the national media.

Mike Madden picked up his mail at the Satsuma Post Office Monday. He's a retired detective from the Virgin Islands. He said, "There's a lot of pressure on Hardy. He wants to crack this thing as fast as he can and I am sure he will."

Another elderly man at the same post office talked about how Hardy helped him install his washing machine and dryer. He chuckled and said, "He told me I was too old to do that alone."

Back at Jerry's Drive-In in Palatka, Linda Anderson waited for her food. She said, "I can see the physical toll [this case] has taken on him." She then added that she thought Hardy was handling the case well.

The search for and the investigation surrounding Haleigh has included help from near-by law enforcement agencies as well as the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the FBI.

Local, state, and national media have poured into Putnam County to cover the story.

At the center of it all is a little girl named Haleigh and a new sheriff named Hardy.


©2009 First Coast News. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, rewritten, or redistributed.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Miki Monkey on February 17, 2009, 01:30:28 PM
Knowing 17 year olds like I do they sleep anytime anywhere, what if Misty propped the door open so she could see Haleigh playing outside but then she and junior fell asleep. She woke up late at night and Haleigh was missing, either Haleigh may have wandered to the lake or been abducted further from the home. Just a thought...

Reading the transcripts from LE I noticed they said "Haleigh went to the bathroom and never came back" according to Misty, or was this just another mistaken quote.

I also find it very telling that when Ronald asked her what she was doing up so late she said "YOUR daughter is missing" already distancing herself from the situation.

I am praying they find her alive... :(


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 17, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
The custody hearing docs... Ron starts work 6pm and works the latest 6am.. ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I may be wrong but is that an old document?

I could have sworn I read he worked 3pm-3am ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 01:48:08 PM
The custody hearing docs... Ron starts work 6pm and works the latest 6am.. ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I may be wrong but is that an old document?

I could have sworn I read he worked 3pm-3am ::MonkeyConfused::

Docs stamped Jan 4, 2007- Ron stated he was a crane operator @ the hearing .. Did he switch jobs since then? What is Ron's work schedule time and hours?? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Cappuccino on February 17, 2009, 01:54:22 PM
Press conference announced to be coming up shortly on foxnews - HLN CNN probably will carry it as well


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 17, 2009, 01:56:18 PM
The custody hearing docs... Ron starts work 6pm and works the latest 6am.. ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I may be wrong but is that an old document?

I could have sworn I read he worked 3pm-3am ::MonkeyConfused::

Docs stamped Jan 4, 2007- Ron stated he was a crane operator @ the hearing .. Did he switch jobs since then? What is Ron's work schedule time and hours?? ::MonkeyTongue::

On GVS I heard 3-3......

It could be like many shift workers whose schedules rotate.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: CynInOregon on February 17, 2009, 01:56:42 PM
link anyone ?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 17, 2009, 01:58:01 PM
Ron saying that he was surprised that Misty was up at that hour says to me that she is NEVER up at that hour when he gets home...so, why this particular night did she wake up from a sound sleep? hmmmmm....
If they are checking out of state, could it be to the  Tennessee cousin's house who had visited that same night with Misty and then went right back to Tennessee? Anyone know the cousin's name? any scoop on him?
Also, it could happen that Misty did prop the door open to watch Haleigh play outside and did fall asleep...she is hiding something I feel..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: ospainter on February 17, 2009, 02:43:10 PM
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

Original Haleigh
Cummings case police
narrative
Spelling and grammar as found on
original report


- Police were dispatched to 202 Green Drive, in reference to the report of a missing 5-year-old child. Due to the age of the child, police responded to this location with a Code 3, blue lights and sirens. D/S Bridges and Iarrived on scene at the same time, 3:40. Upon our arrival, I observed a white male standing in the driveway who was visibibly upset. I made contact with the individual who identified himself as Ronald Cummings. Ronald told me that his daughter, Haleigh Cummings, 5, was missing.

Police asked Ronald what happened, and he told me that he had just gotten home from work, and his, "dumb [censored] girlfriend" told him his daughter was missing. Ronald repeadtedly said that someone had taken his child and also said, "when I find him, I'll kill him." Ronald was referring to a 9mm Beretta hand gun which heowed inside of his residence and that if law enforcement found whoever had this child, he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car. I attempted to get information from Ronald regarding HAleigh, however, due to his emotional state he was unable to provide any useful information.

I then made contact with Misty Croslin, Ronalds girlfriend. Misty told me that she had put the children to bed at approximately 8pm. MIsty said that they were sleeping in HER BED, and when she laid down at around 10:30pm both children were still in bed. I asked MIsty who the other child was and she advised the other child was Haleighs brother. Misty old me that she woke up just before 3am to get a drink and she noticed that Haleigh was missing, however the OTHER child was still in bed. MIsty ran around the residence franticallly looking for haleigh and that she noticed the back door was stanfing open. MIsty said that she was sure the back door had been locked prior to her going to bed.

Mist said that at approximately 5 minutes after she noticed Haleigh missing, Ronal arrived home. MIsty said that as soon as she told Ronald HAleigh was missing, Ronald told Misty to call 911, which she did. I asked MIsty if she ever took Haleigh on a walk, and Misty advised that she sometimes walked with Haleigh to 116 Tyler Street to visit her family.

At this time, Teresa Neves arrived on scene. Teresa is Ronald's mother. Teresa told me that she had been called by Ronalds shortly after he learned HAleigh was missing. Teresa told me that Haleighs mother is Crystal Sheffield, however Ronald has full custody. Teresa told me that Ronald and Crystal have not been disputing the custody of Haleigh. Teresa provided a 2008-2009 school photograph of Haleigh.

While an officer spoke with the family, another coducteda canvass search of the residence in an attemptto locate Haleigh.

Police initiateda track beginning at the back door and down a wooded path, as we travelled down the wooded path, we located what appeared to be asmall child's footprint in the dirt. It should be noted that Ronald said Haleigh's shoes were still located inside the residence. The track lead up to a small pond and then back to the railroad crossing. At the last residence on the right side of the Green Drive was a small building with a door which had been left open. I entered the building but found no one insire

The track then continued past the north residence, where police made a left turn on Monroe Avenue. We made another left onto Buchan Circle, which we followed in a loop back to Monroe Avenue. We then made a left onto Tyler Street, and travelled past 116 Tyler, which is a location where Misty stated she had walked with Haleigh in the past. We then made a right turn on BUffalo Bluff Road to the railroad crossing, where we found were forced to end the track, because the canonwas unable to follow it any further.
 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Dolce on February 17, 2009, 02:54:46 PM
Train tracks?  ::MonkeyShocked::  That could lead anywhere...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 17, 2009, 02:58:30 PM
Train tracks?  ::MonkeyShocked::  That could lead anywhere...

That is what I have been saying..someone could have tossed her in a train car or hopped the train with her.. she could be ANYWHERE!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 17, 2009, 02:59:45 PM
dolce, are you the one who was talking about the downloading adblock?
I am getting bombarded with ads left and right, top and bottom...
can you explain how exactly to do that? do I click on each ad and then do the block thing?
thanks!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 17, 2009, 03:32:16 PM
So they have only been in this trailer for less than 4 months, prior to this they were nextdoor to the landlord phyliss bard.  Also in regards to door locks on rental properties, my husband works for C21 and does rentals during the year and we own a rental ourselves and very little lock changing goes on......

The Bards live on Monroe Avenue. They are 66 and 65 respectively, according to my research. Sounds like from the above article, Ronald just moved into the Green Lane in November.

Just getting my bearings here.

Hello folks.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 03:55:35 PM
Train tracks?  ::MonkeyShocked::  That could lead anywhere...

I wonder if there was a truck or vehicle parked off of Tyler.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 04:07:36 PM
Another inconsistency, Haleigh was not wearing a pink shirt.  No information on what she was wearing.  LE has pink shirt.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: OriginalKat on February 17, 2009, 04:07:38 PM
Press conference on now 4pm at www.firstcoastnews.com (http://www.firstcoastnews.com)

Change on clothing...they have none now. Not sure what she had on.
LE has pink shirt in their hands.

Also got a tip and took a boat out in water but found nothing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 04:11:17 PM
Amber alert for haleigh updated- 4pm ::MonkeyTongue::

Focus on the face and physical description of haleigh.
Child was not wearing a pink shirt and not sure what she was wearing..
LE Have information regarding this case and will not release this information that they have to Jeopordize the case.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: akmom on February 17, 2009, 04:14:01 PM
Per presser that was just on HLN, no longer looking for her in the pink shirt, shirt is in their possession.  They are urging people to focus on her face and not what she may be wearing


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 04:16:43 PM
I could be wrong but I expect this by the end of the week
(http://i42.tinypic.com/10yi4br.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 17, 2009, 04:29:41 PM
I could be wrong but I expect this by the end of the week
(http://i42.tinypic.com/10yi4br.jpg)

HMMMMM and where is Daddy's gf???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 17, 2009, 04:35:11 PM
I could be wrong but I expect this by the end of the week
(http://i42.tinypic.com/10yi4br.jpg)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image38.png)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 17, 2009, 04:36:57 PM
I agree something will happen by the end of the week..
Jesus! don't most people know what a child is wearing when they go to bed? did she not tuck her in? the answer might be no cause she wasn't there when Haleigh went to bed...she was either outside with friends or partying and was paying no attention to the kids...just my opinion of course.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on February 17, 2009, 04:41:07 PM
cookie - see if you understand what I said on the pop up program in the caylee thread.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 17, 2009, 04:44:19 PM
I have lost a friend I have known on IRC for 14 years today and am a bit scattered. He was ill for a long time, but we all thought he was improving. He passed away suddenly.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I am on page 21 of this document (54 pages total!)

I am unsure of the date of the hearing I am reading about. It was filed on Jan. 4 2007, apparently, but it has  Dec. 27, 2005 as the date on the paper.

Anyone can help me out? When was the hearing (questioning) happening?

Thanks.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 17, 2009, 04:47:40 PM
cookie - see if you understand what I said on the pop up program in the caylee thread.

Also, if you are having popup problems on this site, I addressed it on http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=113.msg632632#msg632632

It's a "Computer Tools" section in our Lounge on the SM Forum, cookie.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: JuJu on February 17, 2009, 04:48:52 PM
I have lost a friend I have known on IRC for 14 years today and am a bit scattered. He was ill for a long time, but we all thought he was improving. He passed away suddenly.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I am on page 21 of this document (54 pages total!)

I am unsure of the date of the hearing I am reading about. It was filed on Jan. 4 2007, apparently, but it has  Dec. 27, 2005 as the date on the paper.

Anyone can help me out? When was the hearing (questioning) happening?

Thanks.





i am so sorry brandi


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 17, 2009, 04:54:32 PM
Press conference on now 4pm at www.firstcoastnews.com (http://www.firstcoastnews.com)

Change on clothing...they have none now. Not sure what she had on.
LE has pink shirt in their hands.

Also got a tip and took a boat out in water but found nothing.
::MonkeyEek:: WTF???? In the initical incident report is was pink shit and tan shorts, then pj's then pink short and underwear, now nobody has a clue ::MonkeyShocked:: she surely wasn't nekkid........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 17, 2009, 04:54:35 PM
Thank you JuJu.

I really am having a difficult time concentrating today and deciding what I should be doing.

I appreciate your sentiment.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 04:58:31 PM
Update on Haleigh will be @ 5pm.... ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 04:58:48 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/18729399/detail.html

Officials Don't Know What Haleigh Was Wearing
Investigators Have Pink Shirt They Thought She Wore


POSTED: 6:34 am EST February 17, 2009
UPDATED: 4:17 pm EST February 17, 2009


PALATKA, Fla. -- Authorities updated the Amber Alert for Haleigh Cummings on Tuesday, because they no longer know what clothes she was wearing when she disappeared a week ago.

Earlier, investigators said the 5-year-old girl was wearing a pink shirt, but that shirt has been located. Now, officials do not know what clothing the girl was wearing when she was reported missing from her Putnam County home on Feb. 19.



The ground search for Haleigh Cummings comes to an end.
 

At a 4 p.m. news conference, investigators would make no comment about the pink shirt.

At the county's emergency operations center in Palatka, officials have fielded hundreds of calls from people who believe they may have a clue to Haleigh's whereabouts.

At a news briefing on Tuesday, Putnam County Sheriff's Office Capt. Steve Rose said authorities are following several good leads they received while canvassing the neighborhood where Haleigh vanished one week ago.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: blurrymonkey on February 17, 2009, 05:12:08 PM
I have lost a friend I have known on IRC for 14 years today and am a bit scattered. He was ill for a long time, but we all thought he was improving. He passed away suddenly.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I am on page 21 of this document (54 pages total!)

I am unsure of the date of the hearing I am reading about. It was filed on Jan. 4 2007, apparently, but it has  Dec. 27, 2005 as the date on the paper.

Anyone can help me out? When was the hearing (questioning) happening?

Thanks.





I'm so sorry Brandi about your friend. It's hard to know what to say, but hugs for you.

I don't know what document you're looking at, but I may follow the link and see what's up. I haven't followed Haleigh's case too closely. Not that she doesn't matter, because she DOES; the whole situation has just been making me so crabby that I had to step away.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 17, 2009, 05:13:11 PM
Very sorry for your loss Brandi. :smt056


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 05:13:23 PM
I have lost a friend I have known on IRC for 14 years today and am a bit scattered. He was ill for a long time, but we all thought he was improving. He passed away suddenly.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I am on page 21 of this document (54 pages total!)

I am unsure of the date of the hearing I am reading about. It was filed on Jan. 4 2007, apparently, but it has  Dec. 27, 2005 as the date on the paper.

Anyone can help me out? When was the hearing (questioning) happening?

Thanks.





i am so sorry brandi

Brandi I dont know.. I was just reading the doc which I found interesting and in the doc Ron stated he was a crane operator and his hours were 6pm to 3pm but could work as late as 6am... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 05:16:46 PM
I have lost a friend I have known on IRC for 14 years today and am a bit scattered. He was ill for a long time, but we all thought he was improving. He passed away suddenly.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I am on page 21 of this document (54 pages total!)

I am unsure of the date of the hearing I am reading about. It was filed on Jan. 4 2007, apparently, but it has  Dec. 27, 2005 as the date on the paper.

Anyone can help me out? When was the hearing (questioning) happening?

Thanks.





brandi

So sorry for your loss of your friend...Hugs



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 17, 2009, 05:19:21 PM
HLN someone just said they are hearing that Daddy's gf was NOT in the home that night... hmmm    ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: higherhopes on February 17, 2009, 05:23:28 PM
HLN someone just said they are hearing that Daddy's gf was NOT in the home that night... hmmm    ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyEek::
Like I said before I had heard a rumar that the GF was seeing one of Ronalds uncles while he was at work, I think sh!t is fixing to hit the fan!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 05:25:15 PM
HLN someone just said they are hearing that Daddy's gf was NOT in the home that night... hmmm    ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyEek::

So could SHE have propped the door open?  Could Haleigh have wandered out? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 17, 2009, 05:33:04 PM
HLN someone just said they are hearing that Daddy's gf was NOT in the home that night... hmmm    ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyEek::
Like I said before I had heard a rumar that the GF was seeing one of Ronalds uncles while he was at work, I think sh!t is fixing to hit the fan!
I heard that also, also rumor has it that Misty was on a three day bender, Ronald found her that Monday and brought her home. If this is true and then Ronald went to work and left those kids with Misty, he in my opinion is as much to blame as Misty. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 17, 2009, 05:41:33 PM
I again have to ask, how long do we think it will be before bio mom stomps Misty's arse to get the truth out of her... Me?? I would have done it within the first 24 hours personally.. but,that is just me.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: higherhopes on February 17, 2009, 05:46:16 PM
I again have to ask, how long do we think it will be before bio mom stomps Misty's arse to get the truth out of her... Me?? I would have done it within the first 24 hours personally.. but,that is just me.   ::MonkeyConfused::
I think its coming, age is the only thing keeping her from it IMO, but eventually I think she will get her,  and I wanna see it myself.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 17, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
One week later: Where's Haleigh?

BY LARRY SULLIVAN
Published: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:08 AM EST
Palatka Daily News

SATSUMA - Haleigh Cummings vanished a week ago.

Authorities marked that depressing anniversary about 5 p.m. Monday by imposing roadblocks and going door-to-door in the 5-year-old's South Putnam County neighborhood.

The show of force was exactly one week after Haleigh was last seen in public by neighbors in Hermits Cove.

*
More than 100 local, state and federal officers combined for the sweep.

"We're checking people coming in and out of the area in hopes that they might have seen something," Rick Ryan, chief deputy of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said as officers worked in the twilight nearby.

The sweep was designed to include any residents who may have been away from home when Haleigh disappeared, Ryan said.

"There's a possibility someone who might have seen something was on vacation," he said. "There is nothing that prompted this. We didn't get any tips or anything like that today."

The sweep is part of the state Child Abduction Response Team plan the sheriff's office implemented within hours of Haleigh's disappearance, Ryan said.

Questions asked of residents and motorists included names, vehicle descriptions, how often they travel the area and what and who did they see a week ago.

"If they didn't see any of that, we're asking them if there is anything else they want to tell us about the situation," Ryan said.

At the roadblock on Buffalo Bluff Road, deputy sheriff Nicole Quintieri asked motorist Reginald Robinson the list of questions.

"If you hear anything that would help us, please call us at the sheriff's office," she said.

Robinson said deputies were "doing the right thing."

"I have two daughters of my own and I live 10 miles down the road," he said. "This is real scary, especially when you have two daughters of your own."

Meanwhile, at a press conference Monday afternoon in Palatka, Sheriff Jeff Hardy urged residents to remain positive.

"Don't lose hope. In fact right now, hope is probably the best thing that we have," Hardy said. "We have hope that we're gong to find Haleigh and bring her home alive."

He said investigators were re-interviewing people they have already questioned including Haleigh's family members "and their associates."

The reason is simple, Hardy said.

"We don't have all of our questions answered and we don't have Haleigh," he said.

Hardy, however, declined to specify where leads have taken investigators.

"This search is not limited to Putnam County, I can tell you that," he said.

Haleigh was last seen Monday night asleep at home, Misty Croslin has told authorities. Croslin, 17, is the girlfriend of Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and was babysitting Haleigh.

Haleigh was reported missing ay 3:27 a.m. Feb. 10.

As a full week has passed since with no sign of Haleigh, the response of authorities has gone from widespread to more focused, with officers engaging in what Florida Department of Law Enforcement special agent Dominick Pape called "a tactical search" following leads.

For instance, about 60 lawmen checked an area south of Satsuma during the day Monday.

Pape described this as "the next mode" in the case.

"We don't stop searching," Pape said. "We will continue searching until she is found."

Gigantic sweeps of woods and swamp by volunteers on horses, four-wheelers and on foot have been scaled back or even stopped.

EquuSearch, the Texas-based organization of specially trained horse-borne searchers, packed up and left on Monday after several days in Putnam County

"With all the ground we covered, it's getting frustrating," Tim Miller, the group's founder, said Sunday.

Miller, who took Haleigh's father on horseback during Sunday's search, said the group had done its best.

"I guarantee you that everything is covered," Miller said. "We won't hear of a deer hunter next year finding her. We just haven't been lucky enough to find her."

Items found on the ground by searchers are being examined by crime lab specialists, but nothing related to Haleigh's disappearance has been recovered by volunteers, Hardy said.

Meanwhile, the criminal investigation launched shortly after Haleigh disappeared continued in earnest Monday.

Investigators questioned several people, including relatives of Haleigh, on Monday, Hardy said.

The investigation into Haleigh's disappearance, which Hardy has labeled an abduction, is a cooperative effort of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, FBI and FDLE.

More than 500 tips have been phoned in to the sheriff's office.

"We're continuing to receive numerous tips and we're continuing to diligently follow up on each and every one of them," Hardy said.

There have been a couple of false sightings reported to authorities, Hardy said.

"People are on edge and a bit nervous," he said.

Authorities are still asking for the public's help in finding Haleigh and identifying who took her. Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at (888) 277-8477.

Staff writer Chris DeVitto contributed to this report.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 17, 2009, 05:55:42 PM
But again, how far could Misty have carried her ?
As for him, do we know who else last saw the kids ? And when ?
He went to work for 6. Has that been confirmed ? 
Seems that Haleigh's last known presense has to be verified by other people.
Heck, even the Bio Mom wasn't sure if the kid went to school. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 05:57:24 PM
I could be wrong but I expect this by the end of the week
(http://i42.tinypic.com/10yi4br.jpg)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image38.png)
Good question


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: luvmyboys on February 17, 2009, 05:58:56 PM
 OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS MURT DID THAT???WOW I HAD NO IDEA AT ALL THAT MURT WAS LIKE THAT...I HAVE BEEN WATCHING / LISTENING TO HIM FOR AWHILE EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE  I GO TO THE CHAT ON PALTALK...BUT WOW WHAT IN THE WORLD..WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT,TO A FAMILY THAT HAS ALREADY GOT ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH...LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND THERE CHILD...I AM JUST BESIDE MYSELF I NEVER KNEW... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: PookyBear on February 17, 2009, 06:09:51 PM
I have lost a friend I have known on IRC for 14 years today and am a bit scattered. He was ill for a long time, but we all thought he was improving. He passed away suddenly.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I am on page 21 of this document (54 pages total!)

I am unsure of the date of the hearing I am reading about. It was filed on Jan. 4 2007, apparently, but it has  Dec. 27, 2005 as the date on the paper.

Anyone can help me out? When was the hearing (questioning) happening?

Thanks.





Brandi -- I am so sorry for your loss -- you will be in my prayers tonight.  ((((Hugs)))) to you.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 17, 2009, 06:10:01 PM
OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS MURT DID THAT???WOW I HAD NO IDEA AT ALL THAT MURT WAS LIKE THAT...I HAVE BEEN WATCHING / LISTENING TO HIM FOR AWHILE EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE  I GO TO THE CHAT ON PALTALK...BUT WOW WHAT IN THE WORLD..WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT,TO A FAMILY THAT HAS ALREADY GOT ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH...LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND THERE CHILD...I AM JUST BESIDE MYSELF I NEVER KNEW... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

 I hope I do not get in trouble for this..but for all of those that still give murt attention..here is an example of murt..

http://murtwitlessone.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2
Murt Admits Killing Trenton Duckett & Others

Murt had a private conversation that was later published for the public to see. These are the links that he admits to being responsible for the death of Trenton Duckett, which I am sure he is lying, but he also discusses killing other children and his "age of attraction". You make your own decision about the links.

They contain graphic language, and if you are offended easily you are advised not to read them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 17, 2009, 06:10:55 PM
OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS MURT DID THAT???WOW I HAD NO IDEA AT ALL THAT MURT WAS LIKE THAT...I HAVE BEEN WATCHING / LISTENING TO HIM FOR AWHILE EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE  I GO TO THE CHAT ON PALTALK...BUT WOW WHAT IN THE WORLD..WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT,TO A FAMILY THAT HAS ALREADY GOT ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH...LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND THERE CHILD...I AM JUST BESIDE MYSELF I NEVER KNEW... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: 
What did Murt do? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: JuJu on February 17, 2009, 06:15:42 PM
OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS MURT DID THAT???WOW I HAD NO IDEA AT ALL THAT MURT WAS LIKE THAT...I HAVE BEEN WATCHING / LISTENING TO HIM FOR AWHILE EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE  I GO TO THE CHAT ON PALTALK...BUT WOW WHAT IN THE WORLD..WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT,TO A FAMILY THAT HAS ALREADY GOT ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH...LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND THERE CHILD...I AM JUST BESIDE MYSELF I NEVER KNEW... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

HAVE I ENTERED THE TWILIGHT ZONE....WHAT ARE YA'LL TALKING ABOUT?????


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 17, 2009, 06:19:53 PM
I'm officially creeped out about Murt, wow, even if he is kidding, who in there right mind says those things? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: blurrymonkey on February 17, 2009, 06:23:49 PM
I have lost a friend I have known on IRC for 14 years today and am a bit scattered. He was ill for a long time, but we all thought he was improving. He passed away suddenly.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I am on page 21 of this document (54 pages total!)

I am unsure of the date of the hearing I am reading about. It was filed on Jan. 4 2007, apparently, but it has  Dec. 27, 2005 as the date on the paper.

Anyone can help me out? When was the hearing (questioning) happening?

Thanks.

Brandi, I just finished reading through the pages in this link. (My eyes!) I believe the hearing took place on 12/27/05, as stated in the beginning and also because the kids were 2 and 1 at that time. As far as the 01/07 stamp, I don't know. You mentioned "filing," but I'm confused. If one requests a copy of an official court document, could such a stamp reflect the date this was done? Am I making any sense?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: CynInOregon on February 17, 2009, 06:25:01 PM
I am so sorry for your loss Brandi. Many hugs to you !!

Umm what did Murt do ?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 17, 2009, 06:54:10 PM
I have lost a friend I have known on IRC for 14 years today and am a bit scattered. He was ill for a long time, but we all thought he was improving. He passed away suddenly.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I am on page 21 of this document (54 pages total!)

I am unsure of the date of the hearing I am reading about. It was filed on Jan. 4 2007, apparently, but it has  Dec. 27, 2005 as the date on the paper.

Anyone can help me out? When was the hearing (questioning) happening?

Thanks.

Brandi, I just finished reading through the pages in this link. (My eyes!) I believe the hearing took place on 12/27/05, as stated in the beginning and also because the kids were 2 and 1 at that time. As far as the 01/07 stamp, I don't know. You mentioned "filing," but I'm confused. If one requests a copy of an official court document, could such a stamp reflect the date this was done? Am I making any sense?

Yes, you are making sense. Thank you. I have not been able to read past page 21 yet, I am busy with the IRC channel and sending condolences, making webpages, etc.

The "filing" I mentioned is the stamp on the first page, says Filed and Recorder: Clerk of Courts Putnam County, FL, Jan. 4, 2007.

Why so long to file? Over a year? That's what has me confused.

Thank you ALL for your thoughts and prayers.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 17, 2009, 07:03:11 PM
1200 new tips according to JVM.

1200!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: dottie on February 17, 2009, 07:05:08 PM


JVM on......and WTH is going on with Murt?  ::MonkeyEek:: Is that for real???  ::MonkeyConfused::

possible lead that GF was not home that night


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: dottie on February 17, 2009, 07:09:51 PM


I just can't get over how young the GF looks.  She doesn't look any older than my 13 year old niece.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 07:13:21 PM


JVM on......and WTH is going on with Murt?  ::MonkeyEek:: Is that for real???  ::MonkeyConfused::

possible lead that GF was not home that night

What's the MURT talk?  I missed the beginning of JVM and also any discussion of MURT.  What's the deal?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: dottie on February 17, 2009, 07:18:24 PM


JVM on......and WTH is going on with Murt?  ::MonkeyEek:: Is that for real???  ::MonkeyConfused::

possible lead that GF was not home that night

What's the MURT talk?  I missed the beginning of JVM and also any discussion of MURT.  What's the deal?
There was a chat where he admitted that he killed trenton duckett and other children.  I couldn't read the chat.  Look back a few posts.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 07:24:18 PM


JVM on......and WTH is going on with Murt?  ::MonkeyEek:: Is that for real???  ::MonkeyConfused::

possible lead that GF was not home that night

What's the MURT talk?  I missed the beginning of JVM and also any discussion of MURT.  What's the deal?
There was a chat where he admitted that he killed trenton duckett and other children.  I couldn't read the chat.  Look back a few posts.

I've seen some chat records of Murt.  My guess is that Murt was being bugged by someone and he said what he said because he thought that's what they wanted to hear.  VERY STUPID of Murt. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: dottie on February 17, 2009, 07:28:03 PM


JVM on......and WTH is going on with Murt?  ::MonkeyEek:: Is that for real???  ::MonkeyConfused::

possible lead that GF was not home that night

What's the MURT talk?  I missed the beginning of JVM and also any discussion of MURT.  What's the deal?
There was a chat where he admitted that he killed trenton duckett and other children.  I couldn't read the chat.  Look back a few posts.

I've seen some chat records of Murt.  My guess is that Murt was being bugged by someone and he said what he said because he thought that's what they wanted to hear.  VERY STUPID of Murt. 
YES....VERY STUPID!!!!!  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Western Observr on February 17, 2009, 07:31:06 PM
I just watched JVM Issues show- she mentioned twice that Police had a tip that Misty was not at home when Haleigh disappeared. More than likely left the kids after they were asleep then came home to find her missing.
OMG- I hope she is far away from the Dad if he finds out she left his kids alone. If that is true  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 17, 2009, 07:33:15 PM
I have lost a friend I have known on IRC for 14 years today and am a bit scattered. He was ill for a long time, but we all thought he was improving. He passed away suddenly.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I am on page 21 of this document (54 pages total!)

I am unsure of the date of the hearing I am reading about. It was filed on Jan. 4 2007, apparently, but it has  Dec. 27, 2005 as the date on the paper.

Anyone can help me out? When was the hearing (questioning) happening?

Thanks.

Brandi , I am sorry for your loss.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 17, 2009, 07:39:23 PM
I just watched JVM Issues show- she mentioned twice that Police had a tip that Misty was not at home when Haleigh disappeared. More than likely left the kids after they were asleep then came home to find her missing.
OMG- I hope she is far away from the Dad if he finds out she left his kids alone. If that is true  ::MonkeyConfused::

Exactly what I was thinking!!!  They will kill her when they find out she's been lying, not just him, there will be a damn line around the block!  I would not mess with these people. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pink angel on February 17, 2009, 07:40:52 PM
OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS MURT DID THAT???WOW I HAD NO IDEA AT ALL THAT MURT WAS LIKE THAT...I HAVE BEEN WATCHING / LISTENING TO HIM FOR AWHILE EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE  I GO TO THE CHAT ON PALTALK...BUT WOW WHAT IN THE WORLD..WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT,TO A FAMILY THAT HAS ALREADY GOT ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH...LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND THERE CHILD...I AM JUST BESIDE MYSELF I NEVER KNEW... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

No one mentioned Murt. Are you sure you are posting in the right thread? Are you drinking more than banana juice? Is your cap lock button stuck?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 17, 2009, 07:49:40 PM
OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS MURT DID THAT???WOW I HAD NO IDEA AT ALL THAT MURT WAS LIKE THAT...I HAVE BEEN WATCHING / LISTENING TO HIM FOR AWHILE EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE  I GO TO THE CHAT ON PALTALK...BUT WOW WHAT IN THE WORLD..WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT,TO A FAMILY THAT HAS ALREADY GOT ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH...LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND THERE CHILD...I AM JUST BESIDE MYSELF I NEVER KNEW... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

 I hope I do not get in trouble for this..but for all of those that still give murt attention..here is an example of murt..

http://murtwitlessone.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2
Murt Admits Killing Trenton Duckett & Others

Murt had a private conversation that was later published for the public to see. These are the links that he admits to being responsible for the death of Trenton Duckett, which I am sure he is lying, but he also discusses killing other children and his "age of attraction". You make your own decision about the links.

They contain graphic language, and if you are offended easily you are advised not to read them.

this is really sick! I only watched him a couple of times and decided he was NUTS!  Now I am sure of it....I hope he got his ass in trouble for this......I hope someone sent it to the LE...sick old bastard!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 07:51:02 PM
SATSUMA, FL -- The floor creeks, the back door sticks and makes a scraping noise, and you can feel other people walking in the house.

That's how Dr. Jessie Smallwood describes the mobile home where 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared.

Smallwood lived in it nearly a decade ago.

When we called him this morning -- 1 week since Haleigh was reported missing -- Smallwood says it "shocked" him and "chilled" him to know his old home is now at the center of a massive search that's made national headlines.

"We've been watching it on TV, and we've been saying, 'Boy, that looks so familiar,'" he recalls, "'That looks just like the house that we used to live in."

Smallwood stresses that the next owner(s) may have made upgrades to the rickety structure, but he remembers complaining often about the home to his landlord.

"If someone was even trying to creep across the house, the floor creeks," Smallwood explained by phone.

He was also so concerned about the back door not being secure, he and a friend installed a sliding lock.

"My son was a short 9," Smallwood tells us, "and we put the latch up too high for him to reach."

But when asked if the door could be opened even with the latched locked he said, "A man could [open it]."

Smallwood and his wife now live in Claxton, Georgia, but during that year they spend living at 202 Green Lane in Satsuma, Florida, Smallwood says the nights were scary for his then 9-year-old son.

"He was scared of the dark, and we had a security light put in there," Smallwood says, and goes on to describe the area around the mobile home.

"If there was no security light, it was pitch, absolutely black."

Smallwood also gave some insight to the surroundings if someone were targeting the home.

"You could park down in the trees," he explains, "if you were going to abduct someone, all you would have to do is sit back there and no one would see you watching the house."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131566&catid=295


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 07:57:55 PM
Smallwood told First Coast News, "We've been watching it on TV, and we've been saying, 'Boy, that looks so familiar. That looks just like the house that we used to live in.'"

That blue double wide is the place he used to live in around 2000 and 2001 while he worked at a local church.

Smallwood remembered the house and said its floors were noisy. He said if someone was walking inside, he could hear them even if they were on the other side of the house.

"Someone could not carry the child out of that house unless someone was in a drunken stupor, and not hear that child being taken from that house," Smallwood said.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131562&catid=295


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 08:01:20 PM
NG is reporting that Misty was not in the house.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 08:04:00 PM
NG is reporting that Misty was not in the house.

OMG the kids were left by themselves....???? ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 08:07:02 PM
Nancy may have jumped on that a little fast.  Its being reported that its just a possibility, but....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 17, 2009, 08:09:04 PM
Nancy may have jumped on that a little fast.  Its being reported that its just a possibility, but....

Right ... just saying it was a possibility ... but we monkeys thought about that from, shall I say it? DAY 1.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 08:11:22 PM
Nancy may have jumped on that a little fast.  Its being reported that its just a possibility, but....

Right ... just saying it was a possibility ... but we monkeys thought about that from, shall I say it? DAY 1.
Nancy reads slow, guess she just saw it.
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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 08:14:42 PM
Nancy may have jumped on that a little fast.  Its being reported that its just a possibility, but....

You're avatars are killing me, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 17, 2009, 08:15:54 PM
So maybe the footprint trail was Misty's?  She leaves the side door open so neighbors can't see her leave and goes off to visit whoever and in comes the SO and takes Haleigh?  Maybe the SO is the one who propped the door open, she probably closed it all up, lights out and off to drink/drug and comes back to to Haleigh gone right before Ron gets home from work. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 08:18:58 PM
Nancy may have jumped on that a little fast.  Its being reported that its just a possibility, but....

You're avatars are killing me, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::
sneak preview, don't tell
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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 08:23:55 PM
ROFLMAO ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 17, 2009, 08:37:58 PM

Ronald's mother is very defensive of Misty. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 08:41:43 PM

Ronald's mother is very defensive of Misty. 
Yes she is.  Why is she protecting her?  Is there a need for her to be protected?  NG is being very firm with paternal grandmother.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: blurrymonkey on February 17, 2009, 08:52:02 PM

Ronald's mother is very defensive of Misty. 
Yes she is.  Why is she protecting her?  Is there a need for her to be protected?  NG is being very firm with paternal grandmother.

ITA. I've got two other questions after watching NG.

1) Why was paternal grandma SO insistent that Ronald had been on the night shift only a very short time? The docs I read today were from late 2005, and he was certainly working a similar shift then.

2) What's up with the kitchen lights supposedly being on when Misty supposedly got up? Has it even been established whether she got up to use the bathroom or to get a drink of water? This shifts around every 15 minutes.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 17, 2009, 08:56:02 PM

Ronald's mother is very defensive of Misty. 
Yes she is.  Why is she protecting her?  Is there a need for her to be protected?  NG is being very firm with paternal grandmother.

I noticed what - to me - was a little bit of a contradiction in what Ronald's mother said. 

While she blamed the media for making it sound like Misty gave contradicting stories as to who was sleeping where, and also defended Misty for calling Haleigh her daughter on the 911 call, saying that Misty loved the children as if they were her own  ... she also stated that she sent a family member (the cousin Misty mentioned had been over about 5pm) to check on the children.

So something about Misty made her uneasy enough to want them to be checked on, which you wouldn't do if you were completely comfortable with whoever was keeping the children.  Unless of course you're just a nosy grandma like me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 08:59:54 PM

Ronald's mother is very defensive of Misty. 
Yes she is.  Why is she protecting her?  Is there a need for her to be protected?  NG is being very firm with paternal grandmother.

I noticed what - to me - was a little bit of a contradiction in what Ronald's mother said. 

While she blamed the media for making it sound like Misty gave contradicting stories as to who was sleeping where, and also defended Misty for calling Haleigh her daughter on the 911 call, saying that Misty loved the children as if they were her own  ... she also stated that she sent a family member (the cousin Misty mentioned had been over about 5pm) to check on the children.

So something about Misty made her uneasy enough to want them to be checked on, which you wouldn't do if you were completely comfortable with whoever was keeping the children.  Unless of course you're just a nosy grandma like me.

Maybe grandma sent cousin to check on Misty, maybe per Ronald's request.  Something tells me Ronald is very possessive.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 17, 2009, 09:00:19 PM
trying to catch up on all the news and threads...so sorry if this has been said, but maybe Misty left the back door open when she left the house so that she would have a way back into the house, assuming that she didn't have a key? would not be able to detect the door being open from the road? she is the one who put the cinder block there to hold the door open?

watched Nancy Grace...the only person that Nancy is totally respectful is Mark Klaas...He wouldn't take her being rude to him...she never interrupts him or belittles him like she does some of her other guests...Mark is usually right on with what he has to say...I have immense respect for him...bless his heart...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 09:01:09 PM
And I cannot let go of maternal grandma and the Alabama / Georgia vision. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: leslee on February 17, 2009, 09:01:24 PM
OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS MURT DID THAT???WOW I HAD NO IDEA AT ALL THAT MURT WAS LIKE THAT...I HAVE BEEN WATCHING / LISTENING TO HIM FOR AWHILE EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE  I GO TO THE CHAT ON PALTALK...BUT WOW WHAT IN THE WORLD..WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT,TO A FAMILY THAT HAS ALREADY GOT ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH...LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND THERE CHILD...I AM JUST BESIDE MYSELF I NEVER KNEW... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

 I hope I do not get in trouble for this..but for all of those that still give murt attention..here is an example of murt..

http://murtwitlessone.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2
Murt Admits Killing Trenton Duckett & Others

Murt had a private conversation that was later published for the public to see. These are the links that he admits to being responsible for the death of Trenton Duckett, which I am sure he is lying, but he also discusses killing other children and his "age of attraction". You make your own decision about the links.

They contain graphic language, and if you are offended easily you are advised not to read them.

this is really sick! I only watched him a couple of times and decided he was NUTS!  Now I am sure of it....I hope he got his ass in trouble for this......I hope someone sent it to the LE...sick old bastard!!

I do not like Murt he inserts himself where he doesn't belong to give his " followers" something to watch...who hasn't been in his van? That said the person who egged him on in this chat has been harassing him for a long time. Posting youtube videos of his prank calls and other juvenile antics. Yes Murt should have never given in to this guys BS and said all that sick disgusting crap that was wrong, but I really think he did it put of frustration. Monoxide has secret threads and lots of losers lulzing people talking about gaping anus's etc... its really disgusting. They delight in pulling these pranks on Murt. But Murt is not the only one this group has pulled pranks on. I had to change my phone number because of harassing calls in the middle of the night with some horrid chit being said. I know I am not alone here some of you have also had threats. I made the mistake of posting my real email when I signed up at his forum, thats how he knew my name and got my number. Here is a posting from someone else sick of his chit....warning contains graphic language ( and gross too): http://beotchsmack.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/monoxide-the-microencephalic/#comments

I post this not in deense of Murt but just so you may possibly see how you can be pushed by internet bullies.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 17, 2009, 09:02:07 PM

Ronald's mother is very defensive of Misty. 
Yes she is.  Why is she protecting her?  Is there a need for her to be protected?  NG is being very firm with paternal grandmother.

ITA. I've got two other questions after watching NG.

1) Why was paternal grandma SO insistent that Ronald had been on the night shift only a very short time? The docs I read today were from late 2005, and he was certainly working a similar shift then.

2) What's up with the kitchen lights supposedly being on when Misty supposedly got up? Has it even been established whether she got up to use the bathroom or to get a drink of water? This shifts around every 15 minutes.

She did sound defensive as to the late night shift.  And after she said he'd only been on night shift a short time, she then said it had been about a month ...  which to me isn't a short time. 

It's one thing for a 17 year old to babysit now and again, completely another thing to have responsibility much of the time for two children not her own, one who is quite ill a whole lot of the time. Maybe she didn't help out with the children as much as she could have and is feeling guilty ?  I think people start blaming themselves when something like this happens.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 17, 2009, 09:14:43 PM
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Good Night


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 17, 2009, 09:15:09 PM
I just watched JVM Issues show- she mentioned twice that Police had a tip that Misty was not at home when Haleigh disappeared. More than likely left the kids after they were asleep then came home to find her missing.
OMG- I hope she is far away from the Dad if he finds out she left his kids alone. If that is true  ::MonkeyConfused::


That is precisely one of the reasons why LE doesn't like rumors/leaks.  They may have to deal w/another crime if that boy Ronald takes takes rumors at face value.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 17, 2009, 09:17:14 PM
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Good Night

LMAO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 17, 2009, 09:22:02 PM
IslandMonkey --  is there a way to reach you on your MySpace without me being a member of myspace?  I don't see an email addy on there and nothing happens when I click the little contact me envelope.

BG


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Deenie on February 17, 2009, 09:22:22 PM
Thoughts
I just finished watching NG too
I was particularly interested in the Doc's words Answering the Caller about Misty
Her/Misty's eyes being dilated on the interview

The mentions of the Doc

That LE will probably check into her Background as far as Drug use etc...
Due to Past behavior can be a indicator of current and or future behavior

Mentioning the inconsistency in Misty's reactions - Doc thinking maybe Misty is more afraid of Ronald than LE or anyone else for that matter, which may hinder her from telling truth etc...

Mentioning and questioning WHO was Misty's friends, who was she with that night etc..

Has Misty herself been befriended (possible) by someone who was Grooming her to gain Her trust so they could have access to the home and or Haleigh ? ** Meaning a NOT so great Person.
*** that she would NEVER mention to Ronald ..................... imo

I think that Marc Klaas nailed it though - TRUTH never changes its story.
I think that NG was tough on Grandma Neves but at same time I think that Gma Neves seemed a bit perturbed ..irregardless of how NG spoke to her.
After Mr. Klaas spoke - Grandma Neves in a softer response replied to NG after NG asked her again can you please tell us about Rooms/Beds etc....
she replied  "what was told to me by Misty" ... Instead of being so Matter of Fact in defense of Misty "MISTY Said".
Her/Neves demeanor changed from  "Misty is responsible, credible"  to Hmm after Mr Klass spoke.

Maybe what Mr. Klaas said Sunk into Grandma's Mind " TRUTH Never Changes" -Maybe it made her think twice of how she herself makes statements to the Media. And how she portrays Misty to others.

One thing is For SURE  - You Cannot Discount the Words of Marc Klaas !  He Rocks. 




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 17, 2009, 09:23:31 PM
I have lost a friend I have known on IRC for 14 years today and am a bit scattered. He was ill for a long time, but we all thought he was improving. He passed away suddenly.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I am on page 21 of this document (54 pages total!)

I am unsure of the date of the hearing I am reading about. It was filed on Jan. 4 2007, apparently, but it has  Dec. 27, 2005 as the date on the paper.

Anyone can help me out? When was the hearing (questioning) happening?

Thanks.



I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend, Brandi.  My condolences to all of his loved ones.

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 17, 2009, 09:27:40 PM
Mark Klaas does rock for real!!!!

the grand ma said that Misty loved those kids like her own...yeah, well, she didn't even know what her date of birth is when asked! she also didn't know what the little child had on when she went to bed..As NG so aptly put it, she knows exactly what her twins had on when she left her house to go to the show...After a bath, jammies go on, usually picked out by mom/babysitter who would usually help the child get into the jammies...
she will break once the police keep hammering on her...she will eventually tell the truth once she is sure that Ronald will not be able to get at her...just my opinion of course...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 17, 2009, 09:28:14 PM
Brandi, I am also sorry for your loss...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 17, 2009, 09:57:11 PM
Brandi,so sorry for your loss.. thoughts are with you.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pixiecat on February 17, 2009, 09:58:13 PM
I have lost a friend I have known on IRC for 14 years today and am a bit scattered. He was ill for a long time, but we all thought he was improving. He passed away suddenly.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

I am on page 21 of this document (54 pages total!)

I am unsure of the date of the hearing I am reading about. It was filed on Jan. 4 2007, apparently, but it has  Dec. 27, 2005 as the date on the paper.

Anyone can help me out? When was the hearing (questioning) happening?

Thanks.





Brandi,

I am so very sorry for your loss.  My prayers and thoughts are with you.   :smt056 :smt059


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Deenie on February 17, 2009, 10:00:24 PM
OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS MURT DID THAT???WOW I HAD NO IDEA AT ALL THAT MURT WAS LIKE THAT...I HAVE BEEN WATCHING / LISTENING TO HIM FOR AWHILE EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE  I GO TO THE CHAT ON PALTALK...BUT WOW WHAT IN THE WORLD..WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT,TO A FAMILY THAT HAS ALREADY GOT ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH...LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND THERE CHILD...I AM JUST BESIDE MYSELF I NEVER KNEW... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

 I hope I do not get in trouble for this..but for all of those that still give murt attention..here is an example of murt..

http://murtwitlessone.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2
Murt Admits Killing Trenton Duckett & Others

Murt had a private conversation that was later published for the public to see. These are the links that he admits to being responsible for the death of Trenton Duckett, which I am sure he is lying, but he also discusses killing other children and his "age of attraction". You make your own decision about the links.

They contain graphic language, and if you are offended easily you are advised not to read them.

this is really sick! I only watched him a couple of times and decided he was NUTS!  Now I am sure of it....I hope he got his ass in trouble for this......I hope someone sent it to the LE...sick old bastard!!

I do not like Murt he inserts himself where he doesn't belong to give his " followers" something to watch...who hasn't been in his van? That said the person who egged him on in this chat has been harassing him for a long time. Posting youtube videos of his prank calls and other juvenile antics. Yes Murt should have never given in to this guys BS and said all that sick disgusting crap that was wrong, but I really think he did it put of frustration. Monoxide has secret threads and lots of losers lulzing people talking about gaping anus's etc... its really disgusting. They delight in pulling these pranks on Murt. But Murt is not the only one this group has pulled pranks on. I had to change my phone number because of harassing calls in the middle of the night with some horrid chit being said. I know I am not alone here some of you have also had threats. I made the mistake of posting my real email when I signed up at his forum, thats how he knew my name and got my number. Here is a posting from someone else sick of his chit....warning contains graphic language ( and gross too): http://beotchsmack.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/monoxide-the-microencephalic/#comments

I post this not in deense of Murt but just so you may possibly see how you can be pushed by internet bullies.
I do not want to stack - nor go off topic in Haleigh's Room but I wanted to add - a site that someone has created this Blog " Murts Murtard World" - " A blog exposing the fraud that is Murt, and exploring the evidence against him."
Someone "who ever owns the blog" wrote some things in regards to Murt and Trenton " as a sane person" not the garbage I just read in those Chat logs ... OMG! 
so if you wish to go read there is no profanity ...etc
Here's the blog link - http://murtwitnessone.blogspot.com/
Interesting choice of Blog Name  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 17, 2009, 10:00:25 PM
Ok, Let me just say this before someone thinks something....
I am NOT a fan of mono,I have no idea about secret sites of mono.. I am NOT a fan of murt.
now... I myself have been harassed by internet bullies and I would NEVER say the type of thing murt said. Being harassed is NO excuse for someone to say such vile things about children. That is JMO and I do not mean to offend anyone,but honestly,I think murt is a dangerous person in many ways..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Deenie on February 17, 2009, 10:03:41 PM
Brandi
:smt056
:smt049


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Deenie on February 17, 2009, 10:09:45 PM
Ok, Let me just say this before someone thinks something....
I am NOT a fan of mono,I have no idea about secret sites of mono.. I am NOT a fan of murt.
now... I myself have been harassed by internet bullies and I would NEVER say the type of thing murt said. Being harassed is NO excuse for someone to say such vile things about children. That is JMO and I do not mean to offend anyone,but honestly,I think murt is a dangerous person in many ways..
Murt doesn't "AT LEAST" I Do NOT think he has any participation in that Blog I posted.
I think it is written by an outsider.
Trust me, I want no part of him/Murt nor his chats etc...
I thought the one time I did go to his chat room last summer ... it was a Freak Show.
I went once and that was enough for me.  ::MonkeyConfused:: That was the one when he was with Lois and she was bleeding all over in his Van ... Yah .. Um Me Not interested
I hope that LE does look into those chat logs though. Who ever typed that sick stuff Murt or Who? needs to be Locked UP.  ::MonkeyWink::
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 17, 2009, 10:15:05 PM

Ronald's mother is very defensive of Misty. 
Yes she is.  Why is she protecting her?  Is there a need for her to be protected?  NG is being very firm with paternal grandmother.

ITA. I've got two other questions after watching NG.

1) Why was paternal grandma SO insistent that Ronald had been on the night shift only a very short time? The docs I read today were from late 2005, and he was certainly working a similar shift then.

2) What's up with the kitchen lights supposedly being on when Misty supposedly got up? Has it even been established whether she got up to use the bathroom or to get a drink of water? This shifts around every 15 minutes.


Re. the kitchen light?  Well, I don't see at as too remarkable 'cause she's obviously making it up as she goes.  And even at my age I still leave a light on somewhere when I'm home alone even though I have at least one dog that's a tough customer and is shall we say, protective of me. :smt093.  I think the light is a non-starter.  She was blurting out a simple detail while she tried to think of what else to say imho.

And Haleigh's Grandmother?  If she thinks/pretends that the teen is a responsible caretaker, then it takes Grandma off the hook for not keeping a better eye on the whole mess.  If she's a woman w/a heart, she's prob already kicking herself all over the block. 

Or then she might be another CA.  Time will tell.  But my sense is that when/if the truth comes out 'bout the teen, the pretext of loyalty to to the teen will be dropped like a stone.

I'm one who doesn't trust the teen 'cause I can't shake one image of her that evoked that ugly face of evil, Susan Smith.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Magic Eyes on February 17, 2009, 10:19:06 PM
Dear Brandi,  I am so sad to hear about your friend, my thoughts and prayers go out to you and to all who loved him.

Hugs, Magic :smt060


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: higherhopes on February 17, 2009, 10:34:29 PM
I think the GF really did do something bad, not sure what yet, I dont think she hurt the girl in anyway but I think she left things open for her to get hurt,and abducted, I wish she would just go ahead and tell the truth so someone could find little Haleigh befor its too late, If she has any concious at all I pry she will break soon and tell LE everything...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 17, 2009, 10:37:33 PM
OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS MURT DID THAT???WOW I HAD NO IDEA AT ALL THAT MURT WAS LIKE THAT...I HAVE BEEN WATCHING / LISTENING TO HIM FOR AWHILE EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE  I GO TO THE CHAT ON PALTALK...BUT WOW WHAT IN THE WORLD..WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT,TO A FAMILY THAT HAS ALREADY GOT ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH...LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND THERE CHILD...I AM JUST BESIDE MYSELF I NEVER KNEW... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

 I hope I do not get in trouble for this..but for all of those that still give murt attention..here is an example of murt..

http://murtwitlessone.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2
Murt Admits Killing Trenton Duckett & Others

Murt had a private conversation that was later published for the public to see. These are the links that he admits to being responsible for the death of Trenton Duckett, which I am sure he is lying, but he also discusses killing other children and his "age of attraction". You make your own decision about the links.

They contain graphic language, and if you are offended easily you are advised not to read them.

this is really sick! I only watched him a couple of times and decided he was NUTS!  Now I am sure of it....I hope he got his ass in trouble for this......I hope someone sent it to the LE...sick old bastard!!

I do not like Murt he inserts himself where he doesn't belong to give his " followers" something to watch...who hasn't been in his van? That said the person who egged him on in this chat has been harassing him for a long time. Posting youtube videos of his prank calls and other juvenile antics. Yes Murt should have never given in to this guys BS and said all that sick disgusting crap that was wrong, but I really think he did it put of frustration. Monoxide has secret threads and lots of losers lulzing people talking about gaping anus's etc... its really disgusting. They delight in pulling these pranks on Murt. But Murt is not the only one this group has pulled pranks on. I had to change my phone number because of harassing calls in the middle of the night with some horrid chit being said. I know I am not alone here some of you have also had threats. I made the mistake of posting my real email when I signed up at his forum, thats how he knew my name and got my number. Here is a posting from someone else sick of his chit....warning contains graphic language ( and gross too): http://beotchsmack.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/monoxide-the-microencephalic/#comments

I post this not in deense of Murt but just so you may possibly see how you can be pushed by internet bullies.
I do not want to stack - nor go off topic in Haleigh's Room but I wanted to add - a site that someone has created this Blog " Murts Murtard World" - " A blog exposing the fraud that is Murt, and exploring the evidence against him."
Someone "who ever owns the blog" wrote some things in regards to Murt and Trenton " as a sane person" not the garbage I just read in those Chat logs ... OMG! 
so if you wish to go read there is no profanity ...etc
Here's the blog link - http://murtwitnessone.blogspot.com/
Interesting choice of Blog Name  ::MonkeyEek::


Deenie, I think you will understand when I respectfully ask why anyone is wasting mind share on someone who is a queer duck, as my late beloved Irish grandfather used to say. 

I say fwd. all the info to LE and be done with it. 

I must say I find it spooky how many nutjobs are on the 'net.  Actually, I find it downright scary.  And the ones that aren't obviously loony feign lunacy because (maybe?)they have no ego/lack a "Self "

Sorry to go off a bit.  I just keep seeing that pic of Miss Haleigh racing somewhere with her flaxen hair trailing behind her like a banner.  The image rather looked like a hand-hewn masthead on one of those grand wooden ships that once sailed the seven seas.

Haleigh Darlin', we are each keeping a candle in the window.  Please come home...

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pixiecat on February 17, 2009, 10:44:53 PM
Has anyone seen this:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/florida-police-receive-new-leads-in-abduction-of-haleigh-cummings.html
 ::MonkeyEek::

I get a really bad vibe from the photo of the makeshift lean-to and furniture (no, I'm not psychic-it just made me think of the book "The Lovely Bones").



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Babybear on February 17, 2009, 10:51:55 PM
Good evening furry friends.

I have no definite opinion of whether Mysti is lying or not, but I know that Nancy Grace started her show by saying that Mysti was not at home when Haleigh was taken as if it were a proven fact, when actually it was a tip out of 1,000 which LE has received.  I thought that was unfair.  Later it was pointed out by a young woman reporter that it was a rumor and/or a tip out of many, but Nancy did not back off of her original statement.

I know that Mysti and Ronald are not the kind of people most of us know.  They are uneducated, live in a trailer, and use poor grammar.  Their lifestyle is not one which most of us live.  But there are many, many people in this country just like them.  I know that and so does Nancy Grace.

I am not writing this post to argue with anyone.  I think we will see the truth of the matter soon, and it could be that Mysti was not at home that night.  I don't know. I am not ready to condemn her, nor do I feel the need to defend her.  My point actually is to call attention to the dichotomy in NG's attitude.  She is in love with George and Cindy Anthony.  She will not allow anyone to criticise either one of them. She sympathizes with their "Heartbreak."  She bought George's "Suicide attempt" hook, line and sinker. She adored the Cindy Anthony production so-called memorial. However, IMO there is ample evidence that both of them have at least obstructed justice, and probably Cindy tampered with evidence.  I think that is clearly the case.  And it is my further opinion that George Anthony may be guilty of something much more serious, perhaps accessory after the fact. Yet, with no hard evidence at all Nancy Grace is ready to accuse Mysti of neglecting Haleigh and Junior and is quite vicious about it, IMO.  It seems to me that she is taking a rather arrogant attitude toward them, as if they are guilty of something but she has no evidence at hand, yet the Anthonys are angels who have been treated unfairly by a bunch of "Knuckleheads."

I think she is doing this because of the social class in which Mysti and Ronald fall.  While I, personally, would not have occasion to befriend Ronald and Mysti, I do not consider them worthless and I feel that those two children are just as important as Caylee Anthony was. Neither would I wish to be in the company of George and Cindy Anthony.  I wonder why Nancy Grace would.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 17, 2009, 11:00:19 PM
IslandMonkey --  is there a way to reach you on your MySpace without me being a member of myspace?  I don't see an email addy on there and nothing happens when I click the little contact me envelope.

BG

I'm actually clueless about myspace, but I have a throw away addy pcolabeachmom@yahoo.com

You can reach me there ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: higherhopes on February 17, 2009, 11:01:57 PM
Has anyone seen this:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/florida-police-receive-new-leads-in-abduction-of-haleigh-cummings.html
 ::MonkeyEek::

I get a really bad vibe from the photo of the makeshift lean-to and furniture (no, I'm not psychic-it just made me think of the book "The Lovely Bones").


I also find it strange that the LE asked Equasearch to leave, it means that they know searching will not make a difference, they have some sort of lead and now that they say the timeline has been changed of when Haleigh came up missing sounds like something is about to come unglued, Mistie just might better watch out for chrystal if she is found accountable, I know I would be on her like white on rice if it was me....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 11:07:43 PM
It sits right next door to her own home, and Phyllis began renting it out a few years ago after her father died of diabetes complications and her mother died in a car crash 80 days later. 212 monroe
The Bard's first met Haleigh's father, Ron Cummings, last August.

Phyllis says, "They first moved next door to us, and then they needed a bedroom for each of the children he said, and so he asked to rent that house and we rented that to him in November." 202 green Lane

Just thinking out loud... Kyle Johns the SO rents on Monroe (212)is this the same mobile that Ron Cummings rented before he move to 202 Green Lane.. The mobiles  are both owned by Bards and are rentals for the Bards....... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pixiecat on February 17, 2009, 11:12:20 PM
Has anyone seen this:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/florida-police-receive-new-leads-in-abduction-of-haleigh-cummings.html
 ::MonkeyEek::

I get a really bad vibe from the photo of the makeshift lean-to and furniture (no, I'm not psychic-it just made me think of the book "The Lovely Bones").


I also find it strange that the LE asked Equasearch to leave, it means that they know searching will not make a difference, they have some sort of lead and now that they say the timeline has been changed of when Haleigh came up missing sounds like something is about to come unglued, Mistie just might better watch out for chrystal if she is found accountable, I know I would be on her like white on rice if it was me....

I agree with you.  I would think that if they thought searching was still a viable option, then they would never have asked the searchers to leave.  To me, it sounds like they may have a suspect that they think is on the verge of confessing, or they really did find some evidence that indicates that Haleigh is no longer in the area.

 I was just really creeped out by that photo of the makeshift furniture in the wooded area where the trailer could be seen.  I got chills up my spine when I saw that photo.  It does seem to fit with the father's statement that this could be some sort of retaliation.  Ugghh...this case has so many ugly elements to it, and it is tragic that an innocent child is the victim. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 17, 2009, 11:23:30 PM
February 17, 2009
Florida Police Receive New Leads in Abduction of Haleigh Cummings
 The search for Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, a 5-year-old girl who vanished from her Putnam County, Fla., home on Feb. 10, has been significantly scaled back; however investigators say they are following up on new leads.

"We were able to come up with several good leads that we are following up on today," Capt. Steve Rose of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office said at a press conference today. "At this time we cannot discuss the nature of those leads."

Sources close to the investigation have told Investigation Discovery that the new leads revolve around the timeline the girl disappeared and the initial report given to law enforcement. This information reportedly changed the focus of the investigation, which in turn resulted in the search being scaled back. Due to the sensitive nature of the information obtained by ID no further details can be provided at this time.

Among those pulling out of the search for Haleigh is Texas EquuSearch, a search and recovery group from Dickinson, Texas, who was recently involved in the search for Casey Anthony's missing daughter, Caylee Anthony.

According to Mike Ray, a Texas EquuSearch search coordinator who was on the ground during the search effort, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office asked Texas EquuSearch to pull out of the search yesterday. Ray would not discuss the specifics of that request; however he did say they had conducted a thorough search of the area.

 "We had 300 searchers at our disposal," Ray told investigation Discovery. "We went out multiple times and cleared all of the wooded areas around Haleigh's home. The terrain was some of the most difficult I've seen compared to other searches I have been on. There was a lot of saw brush and a lot of volunteers came out with cuts on their forearms and legs. No one can say we did not put forth our best effort. We went out of our way to clear every area. The scale of this search could only be matched by the one we conducted for Caylee."

Ray said that while volunteers searched the woods, law enforcement personnel focused much of their attention on a nearby waterway.

"They had about 30 boats in the water," Ray said. "They were conducting sonar searches and they were also dragging the bottom."

Celebrity bounty hunter Leonard Padilla was also present during the search effort; however Ray said he did not actively participate in the search and remained camped out with the media. Last week, Padilla offered a $25,000 reward to anyone who returned Haleigh by Feb. 14. ::MonkeyRoll:: Sorry~just had to laugh at that one ::MonkeyTongue::

 In related news, volunteers found one area of interest in the woods where someone had constructed a makeshift lean-to and furniture out of tree branches. A shovel and length of rope were found at the location; however it remains unclear if any of the items are of relevance.

Meanwhile, Haleigh's father, 24-year-old Ronald Cummings, reportedly told an ID source that he has a new theory on what might have happened to Haleigh.

Cummings allegedly said that it is possible that Haleigh's abduction was in retaliation for something he did in the past, but he did not clarify what that "something" could be. Cummings also allegedly said that he believes someone gained entry to his home using a "lock bumping" technique. It remains unclear if law enforcement is following up on that theory. Was he a snitch for LE......he certainly seemed to get just a slap on the wrist for his rap sheet?


Regardless of how the abduction occurred, the fact remains that a beautiful 5-year-old girl is missing. It remains the hope of everyone involved that a break in the case will occur soon.

Keep checking back with Investigation Discovery for more details in the case.

Haleigh Cummings is described as three feet tall, weighing 39 pounds, with blonde hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Anyone with information on her whereabouts is asked to contact the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0808 or Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS.

Discuss the case:



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: BluesyGram on February 17, 2009, 11:24:30 PM
Good evening furry friends.

I have no definite opinion of whether Mysti is lying or not, but I know that Nancy Grace started her show by saying that Mysti was not at home when Haleigh was taken as if it were a proven fact, when actually it was a tip out of 1,000 which LE has received.  I thought that was unfair.  Later it was pointed out by a young woman reporter that it was a rumor and/or a tip out of many, but Nancy did not back off of her original statement.

I know that Mysti and Ronald are not the kind of people most of us know.  They are uneducated, live in a trailer, and use poor grammar.  Their lifestyle is not one which most of us live.  But there are many, many people in this country just like them.  I know that and so does Nancy Grace.

I am not writing this post to argue with anyone.  I think we will see the truth of the matter soon, and it could be that Mysti was not at home that night.  I don't know. I am not ready to condemn her, nor do I feel the need to defend her.  My point actually is to call attention to the dichotomy in NG's attitude.  She is in love with George and Cindy Anthony.  She will not allow anyone to criticise either one of them. She sympathizes with their "Heartbreak."  She bought George's "Suicide attempt" hook, line and sinker. She adored the Cindy Anthony production so-called memorial. However, IMO there is ample evidence that both of them have at least obstructed justice, and probably Cindy tampered with evidence.  I think that is clearly the case.  And it is my further opinion that George Anthony may be guilty of something much more serious, perhaps accessory after the fact. Yet, with no hard evidence at all Nancy Grace is ready to accuse Mysti of neglecting Haleigh and Junior and is quite vicious about it, IMO.  It seems to me that she is taking a rather arrogant attitude toward them, as if they are guilty of something but she has no evidence at hand, yet the Anthonys are angels who have been treated unfairly by a bunch of "Knuckleheads."

I think she is doing this because of the social class in which Mysti and Ronald fall.  While I, personally, would not have occasion to befriend Ronald and Mysti, I do not consider them worthless and I feel that those two children are just as important as Caylee Anthony was. Neither would I wish to be in the company of George and Cindy Anthony.  I wonder why Nancy Grace would.





I totally agree with your post, as I do with most of your posts.  However, I think there is another reason why NG sucks up to C&G...she really doesn't like them.   IMO...that is the reason she keeps having LP on the show...she knows he chaps their butts (not because he really KNOWS anything).

She is in the middle of a lawsuit with Melissa Duckett's family (don't know if Josh is involved or not).  The family is accusing NG of pushing Melinda over the edge to commit suicide as her interview (IIRC) was pretaped the afternoon of the evening that she killed herself.  Who knows if they will win or not...IMO it is a frivolous lawsuit as the girl had probs, etc. a long time ago and Melinda didn't even mention NG is her many & lengthy suicide notes.  But, as you know, being innocent or guilty..defending yourself in a lawsuit is no fun ..and I am sure CNN doesn't think so either.

So, since C&G have always been "lawyered up" and ready for a piece of her a$$...she sucks up big time and lets other people have their "opinions" and then she covers it with that drippy crap.  Yes, it makes me ill too!!!!  (Even though I know she is doing it so that she won't give the A's the satisfaction!)  I keep repeating that to myself whenever she get into the "spiel" or I DVR and fastforward through it as it is really getting OLD.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 11:27:54 PM
Kyle Johns predator lives @ 212 Monroe he rents from the Bards.. Is this the same house that Ron 1st rented from the Bards then moves to 202 green lane..and now a predator live @ 212 Monroe.....where Ron use live...
 ::MonkeyTongue::

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: BluesyGram on February 17, 2009, 11:32:31 PM
Kyle Johns predator lives @ 212 Monroe he rents from the Bards.. Is this the same house that Ron 1st rented from the Bards then moves to 202 green lane..and now a predator live @ 212 Monroe.....where Ron use live...
 ::MonkeyTongue::

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989



Do the landlords have to be "notified" that their tenet is a SO?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 11:34:19 PM
Kyle Johns predator lives @ 212 Monroe he rents from the Bards.. Is this the same house that Ron 1st rented from the Bards then moves to 202 green lane..and now a predator live @ 212 Monroe.....where Ron use live...
 ::MonkeyTongue::

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989



Do the landlords have to be "notified" that their tenet is a SO?

I dont know.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 17, 2009, 11:40:39 PM
In New Jersey there is Megans Law and we as realtors arent aloud to tell clients if there are sexual offenders in the area they have to check for themselves... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2009, 11:58:56 PM
Kyle Johns predator lives @ 212 Monroe he rents from the Bards.. Is this the same house that Ron 1st rented from the Bards then moves to 202 green lane..and now a predator live @ 212 Monroe.....where Ron use live...
 ::MonkeyTongue::

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989

GOOD QUESTION  ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns2.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 18, 2009, 12:01:11 AM
Kyle Johns predator lives @ 212 Monroe he rents from the Bards.. Is this the same house that Ron 1st rented from the Bards then moves to 202 green lane..and now a predator live @ 212 Monroe.....where Ron use live...
 ::MonkeyTongue::

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989

GOOD QUESTION  ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns2.jpg)

Klass Thank God you arrived.... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2009, 12:02:31 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/GREENMONROE.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 18, 2009, 12:04:57 AM
SATSUMA, FL -- Donald Bard remembers the phone call early last Tuesday morning that woke him up.

His wife Phyllis answered the call.

"We were sleeping and then we received a phone call, the automated phone call that Haleigh Cummings was missing in our neighborhood," said Phyllis Bard.

The Bard's recognized the name right away.

"The home where Haleigh was taken from belonged to my parents," said Phyllis.

It sits right next door to her own home, and Phyllis began renting it out a few years ago after her father died of diabetes complications and her mother died in a car crash 80 days later.

The Bard's first met Haleigh's father, Ron Cummings, last August.

Phyllis says, "They first moved next door to us, and then they needed a bedroom for each of the children he said, and so he asked to rent that house and we rented that to him in November."

She's an adorable little girl," says Phyllis. "Just adorable. She would come over when I was hanging clothes on the line, and I would see the two of them out in the yard playing and she's just, what can I say, a beautiful, adorable little girl. It just breaks my heart that all this has happened."

The Bard's say, almost one week later, it's still so hard to believe. The FDLE Command Center is just yards from their front door, and Monday night, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office teamed up with the Florida Highway Patrol to set up a another roadblock outside the neighborhood.

Sgt. Joseph Wells of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said, "It's just a general set of questions. Were they down here last week, and then if yes, a few more questions."

"We might find that there's a paper delivery or a gas delivery company or something that comes and goes on this day and time and we'd just like to know who was down here and maybe did they see anything."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131483&provider=top


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: higherhopes on February 18, 2009, 12:13:27 AM
Boy Klaas,   this Kyle Johns guy just keeps coming up,  I wonder how many times LE has talked to him?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 18, 2009, 12:13:53 AM
Misty took the kids for walks I have read-Kyle could of been watching there every step
and routine.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 18, 2009, 12:36:43 AM
Godd Nite- I am sick that these innocent children are missing and being killed... ::MonkeyTongue::

God Bless Them All


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 18, 2009, 01:12:30 AM
In New Jersey there is Megans Law and we as realtors arent aloud to tell clients if there are sexual offenders in the area they have to check for themselves... ::MonkeyTongue::


There are full dislosure rules in some locales re. termite infestation, structural or other high dollar probs w/a house.

But it ain't no biggie if there are a raft of SOs in close proximity to any given house that's for sale?   :smt102  Give me a freakin' break.  :smt013


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: leslee on February 18, 2009, 01:25:06 AM
In New Jersey there is Megans Law and we as realtors arent aloud to tell clients if there are sexual offenders in the area they have to check for themselves... ::MonkeyTongue::


There are full dislosure rules in some locales re. termite infestation, structural or other high dollar probs w/a house.

But it ain't no biggie if there are a raft of SOs in close proximity to any given house that's for sale?   :smt102  Give me a freakin' break.  :smt013


I know Foggy, its pretty scary ::MonkeyShocked:: Where I live I checked ( not that my children are small anymore) my state has a very easy site. In a town of about 1,000 we have 1, thing is with all the recent e911 updates I do not know where that one is in relation to my house. And I have not seen him around before. Anyhow I thought that was pretty good. You can bet when I have grandkids I will be checking locales!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 18, 2009, 01:51:04 AM
did the dogs not follow scent to monroe???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Magic Eyes on February 18, 2009, 04:15:01 AM
did the dogs not follow scent to monroe???

Hi Searching, as far as I know, they stopped at the docks by the water.  Unless there was another search, I didn't read about.

Hugs, Magic :smt060


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 18, 2009, 04:45:40 AM
did the dogs not follow scent to monroe???

Hi Searching, as far as I know, they stopped at the docks by the water.  Unless there was another search, I didn't read about.

Hugs, Magic :smt060

IIRC it was in the police report,where they went down the trail ??? and to monroe and back around something like that and ended at the tracks..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 18, 2009, 04:55:34 AM
Found it after a bit of searching.. funny the path goes pretty much in a circle onto a street an RSO lives on and then to the tracks to a dead end so to speak...

Police initiateda track beginning at the back door and down a wooded path, as we travelled down the wooded path, we located what appeared to be asmall child's footprint in the dirt. It should be noted that Ronald said Haleigh's shoes were still located inside the residence. The track lead up to a small pond and then back to the railroad crossing. At the last residence on the right side of the Green Drive was a small building with a door which had been left open. I entered the building but found no one insire

The track then continued past the north residence, where police made a left turn on Monroe Avenue. We made another left onto Buchan Circle, which we followed in a loop back to Monroe Avenue. We then made a left onto Tyler Street, and travelled past 116 Tyler, which is a location where Misty stated she had walked with Haleigh in the past. We then made a right turn on BUffalo Bluff Road to the railroad crossing, where we found were forced to end the track, because the canonwas unable to follow it any further.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 18, 2009, 04:58:04 AM
Found it after a bit of searching.. funny the path goes pretty much in a circle onto a street an RSO lives on and then to the tracks to a dead end so to speak...

Police initiateda track beginning at the back door and down a wooded path, as we travelled down the wooded path, we located what appeared to be asmall child's footprint in the dirt. It should be noted that Ronald said Haleigh's shoes were still located inside the residence. The track lead up to a small pond and then back to the railroad crossing. At the last residence on the right side of the Green Drive was a small building with a door which had been left open. I entered the building but found no one insire

The track then continued past the north residence, where police made a left turn on Monroe Avenue. We made another left onto Buchan Circle, which we followed in a loop back to Monroe Avenue. We then made a left onto Tyler Street, and travelled past 116 Tyler, which is a location where Misty stated she had walked with Haleigh in the past. We then made a right turn on BUffalo Bluff Road to the railroad crossing, where we found were forced to end the track, because the canonwas unable to follow it any further.

Self edit.. hit the post button to soon forgot to highlight the second part..you know,where the dog looped BACK to monroe..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 18, 2009, 08:41:04 AM
In New Jersey there is Megans Law and we as realtors arent aloud to tell clients if there are sexual offenders in the area they have to check for themselves... ::MonkeyTongue::


There are full dislosure rules in some locales re. termite infestation, structural or other high dollar probs w/a house.

But it ain't no biggie if there are a raft of SOs in close proximity to any given house that's for sale?   :smt102  Give me a freakin' break.  :smt013


Buyers beware.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Mary on February 18, 2009, 08:42:35 AM
I agree, NG runs down some people and kisses CA & GA a$$eS. I guess she didn't
notice that she was on the "not to admit list to the memorial"


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: JuJu on February 18, 2009, 08:54:37 AM
Has anyone seen this:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/florida-police-receive-new-leads-in-abduction-of-haleigh-cummings.html
 ::MonkeyEek::

I get a really bad vibe from the photo of the makeshift lean-to and furniture (no, I'm not psychic-it just made me think of the book "The Lovely Bones").


I also find it strange that the LE asked Equasearch to leave, it means that they know searching will not make a difference, they have some sort of lead and now that they say the timeline has been changed of when Haleigh came up missing sounds like something is about to come unglued, Mistie just might better watch out for chrystal if she is found accountable, I know I would be on her like white on rice if it was me....

I agree with you.  I would think that if they thought searching was still a viable option, then they would never have asked the searchers to leave.  To me, it sounds like they may have a suspect that they think is on the verge of confessing, or they really did find some evidence that indicates that Haleigh is no longer in the area.

 I was just really creeped out by that photo of the makeshift furniture in the wooded area where the trailer could be seen.  I got chills up my spine when I saw that photo.  It does seem to fit with the father's statement that this could be some sort of retaliation.  Ugghh...this case has so many ugly elements to it, and it is tragic that an innocent child is the victim. 
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can someone tell me how to get to the pics at that blog?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 18, 2009, 09:29:55 AM
ALERT~WFTV is having a live presser on the Haleigh Cummings Investigation at 9:30..............sorry, don't have the link, but just go to WFTV or any other channel that's local.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: goodnmad on February 18, 2009, 09:36:09 AM
Kyle Johns predator lives @ 212 Monroe he rents from the Bards.. Is this the same house that Ron 1st rented from the Bards then moves to 202 green lane..and now a predator live @ 212 Monroe.....where Ron use live...
 ::MonkeyTongue::

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989



Do the landlords have to be "notified" that their tenet is a SO?

You know what pisses me off -- aside form the favt that these SOB's are out on the street? How these slimy pieces of sh** smirk in their mug shots. Makes me want to slap the lips right off his face.

Anywho ... I am extra cranky this morning.  :smt099 Can't you tell? And I need to catch up.

Morning monkeys!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: misitx5 on February 18, 2009, 09:37:31 AM
Morning Monkeys found this today sorry if its a duplicate...

Misty Croslin … Cat's out of the bag


In my last blog post I alluded to new information law enforcement had received in the search for Haleigh Cummings, a 5-year-old girl who vanished from her Putnam County, Fla., home on Feb. 10.

In that post, I informed you that a source close to the investigation had told Investigation Discovery that law enforcement had received new leads "revolving around the timeline the girl disappeared and the initial report given to law enforcement." I also said, "due to the sensitive nature of the information obtained by ID, no further details can be provided on it at this time."

Unfortunately, that information has since been leaked and was reported on tonight by both a local Florida outlet and a national media outlet.

The information I am referring to is a tip that the FBI received from a local resident who came forward and told them that Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father, 24-year-old Ronald Cummings, was not at home the night Haleigh disappeared. It has further been alleged that the night Haleigh was abducted was not the first time Croslin had sneaked out while Cummings was at work and his kids were sleeping. There are further allegations regarding her activities at that time; however that information has not officially been released.


Croslin's inconsistent statements to both law enforcement and the media have been apparent since the start of the investigation. Whether or not these new allegations will cause her to reveal new information to the authorities is yet to be seen.

Keep checking back with Investigation Discovery for more details in the case.

Haleigh Cummings is described as three feet tall, weighing 39 pounds, with blonde hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Anyone with information on her whereabouts is asked to contact the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0808 or Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/misty-croslin-cats-out-of-the-bag.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: goodnmad on February 18, 2009, 09:37:55 AM
ALERT~WFTV is having a live presser on the Haleigh Cummings Investigation at 9:30..............sorry, don't have the link, but just go to WFTV or any other channel that's local.

Thank you!

http://www.wftv.com/news/18738704/detail.html#- (http://www.wftv.com/news/18738704/detail.html#-)

So the GF is now under investigation?  ::MonkeyShocked:: I need ot catch up!


PS your island pics make me a little less cranky.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: goodnmad on February 18, 2009, 09:40:52 AM
presser

http://www.wftv.com/video/18738968/index.html (http://www.wftv.com/video/18738968/index.html)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: misitx5 on February 18, 2009, 09:43:06 AM
ALERT~WFTV is having a live presser on the Haleigh Cummings Investigation at 9:30..............sorry, don't have the link, but just go to WFTV or any other channel that's local.

Thank you Please keep us updated..

I am a little behind on this so is this a normal time the usually have a presser or does this look like it could be a little more than that??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: misitx5 on February 18, 2009, 09:54:41 AM
Has anyone seen this:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/florida-police-receive-new-leads-in-abduction-of-haleigh-cummings.html
 ::MonkeyEek::

I get a really bad vibe from the photo of the makeshift lean-to and furniture (no, I'm not psychic-it just made me think of the book "The Lovely Bones").


I also find it strange that the LE asked Equasearch to leave, it means that they know searching will not make a difference, they have some sort of lead and now that they say the timeline has been changed of when Haleigh came up missing sounds like something is about to come unglued, Mistie just might better watch out for chrystal if she is found accountable, I know I would be on her like white on rice if it was me....

I agree with you.  I would think that if they thought searching was still a viable option, then they would never have asked the searchers to leave.  To me, it sounds like they may have a suspect that they think is on the verge of confessing, or they really did find some evidence that indicates that Haleigh is no longer in the area.

 I was just really creeped out by that photo of the makeshift furniture in the wooded area where the trailer could be seen.  I got chills up my spine when I saw that photo.  It does seem to fit with the father's statement that this could be some sort of retaliation.  Ugghh...this case has so many ugly elements to it, and it is tragic that an innocent child is the victim. 
[/qu

can someone tell me how to get to the pics at that blog?

When you click on the link the pictures should be there there are 2 --one looks like it is just woods but when you click on it --it become large and you can see the chair..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2009, 09:58:06 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/18738704/detail.html

Girlfriend Under Investigation In Haleigh Case
Wednesday, February 18, 2009 – updated: 9:26 am EST February 18, 2009

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News discovered that the Putnam County Sheriff's Office is investigating Ronald Cummings' girlfriend, who claimed that she was at home and sleeping when Haleigh Cummings was taken. But a tip puts the spot light on the 17-year-old girlfriend.

The most recent information investigators got was that Ronald Cummings' girlfriend, Misty Croslin, may not have been home when Haleigh disappeared from her Satusum house early last week.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office said its dealing with more than 1,200 tips in the case and plans to pursue each and every one of them.

"We will take any lead, any place, anytime," said Dominick Pape of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

On CNN, Tuesday night, Haleighs paternal grandmother, Terese Neves, spoke out in support of the 17-year-old's story.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
INTERVIEW: Haleigh's Grandmother On Nancy Grace
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"I believe someone went into the house and took her. I believe they either know my grandchildren and my family or Haleigh's mother's family," said Neves.

Sheriff's deputies also said they have the pink shirt that Haleigh was thought to be wearing when she disappeared.

"What we now need people to focus on is this face because we do not know at this time what the clothing was at this point," said Pape.

The massive search for Haleigh was scaled back this week. Deputies do not want to say too much in fear of jeopardizing the investigation, but confirmed they set up a road block this week and interviewed at least 300 neighbors in the area.

"We've got a life of a 5-year-old girl at stake," he said.

Another prayer vigil was held Tuesday night, at the Dunns Creek Baptist Church in Putnam County.

Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings and the little girl's mother, Crystal Sheffield sat side by side while the community came together to comfort them.

"I care for the people even though I don't know them," said one neighbor.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 18, 2009, 09:59:50 AM

If they don't know what she was wearing last time they saw her, how is ron so sure that she didn't have her shoes on? she only has 1 pair of shoes?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: PookyBear on February 18, 2009, 01:02:59 PM

If they don't know what she was wearing last time they saw her, how is ron so sure that she didn't have her shoes on? she only has 1 pair of shoes?

Hey Cookie -- My daughter is almost 5 and we only have 3 pairs of shoes.  At that age they grow out of them very quickly and it is possible that Hayleigh only had one pair or a few pairs like my daughter and Ron has them all accounted for.  Just a thought.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Anna on February 18, 2009, 01:33:42 PM
So that girlfriend may well have been away when Haleigh disappeared.  She might or might not have been involved.  I think she knows she could be charged with some sort of child neglect or endangerment and so is not talking.

Maybe they could offer her some sort of deal to tell the truth if she was away when this child vanished?  At least it might get some more information to work with.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 18, 2009, 01:45:31 PM

If they don't know what she was wearing last time they saw her, how is ron so sure that she didn't have her shoes on? she only has 1 pair of shoes?

Hey Cookie -- My daughter is almost 5 and we only have 3 pairs of shoes.  At that age they grow out of them very quickly and it is possible that Hayleigh only had one pair or a few pairs like my daughter and Ron has them all accounted for.  Just a thought.

true!
 My 5 yr old grand daughter has tons of shoes....grammy here can't resist when I go into a store... 
I was being more sarcastic in some ways about the shoes that Haleigh did or did not have on since no one knew what she had on when she disappeared...a pink shirt, not a pink shirt, under wear, not underwear, tan shorts....geez!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Wyks on February 18, 2009, 02:02:05 PM
Sorry, this is going to be very very long.  Maybe the mods would like it to be in a thread of it's own? 

-----------------

THE WHO's WHO FOR HALEIGH CUMMINGS

(to see more details on each of the following, look further below for an alphabetical list, with possible relatives and known myspace info after that.)



HALEIGH's FAMILY on her mother's side:

mother - Crystal Diane Sheffield
Crystals mother - Nancy Marie Johns Sheffield Griffis (aka Marie)
Crystals father - Johnny Marcus Sheffield
Crystals siblings - Sarah Lavon Sheffield, Marcus Sheffield, Savannah Sheffield
Crystals step-mother - Connie Sheffield
Crystals step-father - Bruce A. Griffis
Crystals uncle - Andrew Sheffield
Crystals aunts - Katrina Belcher, Dana
Crystals children - Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, Ronald Lemyles Cummings Jr, Chloe (Sheffield? Griffis?)
Crystals boyfriend/fiance - Chad Griffis
Maries father - Virgil Johns Jr
Maries step-mother - Marilyn C. Brannen Johns

Other known relatives - Deborah Lynn Griffis, Jill Griffis, Victor Griffis, Ruby Johns, Virgil Johns Jr   
 
Known relatives, not sure if from mother's or father's side - Ronald Padgett, Sherry Padgett

Possibly related in some way - Floyd J. Collins Jr, Peggy Latrelle Sapp Collins, Billye Lee (Wager?) Griffis, Jeffrey Michael Griffis, Kyle S. Johns Jr, Kyle S. Johns Sr, Virgil Johns (III ?), Donald Lee Sapp, Guy W. Sapp, Raymond Sapp



HALEIGH's FAMILY on her father's side:

father - Ronald Lemyles Cummings Sr
Ronalds father - Jack Cummings
Ronalds mother - Theresa Ann Neves
Ronalds sibling - Crystal Cummings
Ronalds children - Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, Ronald Lemyles Cummings Jr
Ronalds girlfriend - Misty Jeanette Croslin
Ronalds grandma/great-grandma - Annette Sykes (Sikes?)

Known relatives, not sure if from mother's or father's side - Ronald Padgett, Sherry Padgett

Possibly related in some way - Randy Cummings, Robert Cummings,



HALEIGH's father's girlfriend's family:

girlfriend - Misty Jeanette Croslin
Mistys father - Hank Thomas Croslin Sr
Mistys mother - Lisa Croslin
Mistys siblings:  Hank Thomas Croslin Jr (aka Tommy), Timothy A. Croslin (aka Timmy)
Mistys sister-in-laws - Lindsy Kate Collins Croslin (married to Tommy), Chelsea Croslin (married to Timmy)
Mistys nephews and niece by Tommy and Lindsy - Austin, Dustin and Layla Croslin
Mistys cousins - Jeff Perry, Marie Boyles Perry, Spurlock

Other known relatives - Adam Troy Croslin, Chester Leon Croslin, June Marie Croslin, Michael Croslin, 

Possibly related in some way - Floyd J. Collins Jr, Peggy Latrelle Sapp Collins, James Dean Crosslin, Billye Lee (Wager?) Griffis, Jeffrey Michael Griffis, Donald Lee Sapp, Guy W. Sapp, Raymond Sapp


==============================


In other words... If the possible connections prove true, Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings has connected cousins from both families of Crystal and Misty, and perhaps Ronald as well.  Specifically the Griffis, Sapp and Collins families. 
 

Also if the possible connections prove true, Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings has several RSO's in her extended family.



==============================

KNOWN FAMILY MEMBERS - ALPHABETICAL LIST

Belcher (?), Dana
aunt of Crystal Sheffield


Belcher, Katrina
aunt of Crystal Sheffield


Brannen, Marilyn C.
(see Marilyn C. Johns)


Collins, Lindsy Kate
see Lindsy Kate Collins Croslin


Croslin, Adam Troy
related in some way to Misty's father Hank Thomas Croslin Sr, age 43


Croslin, Chelsea
sister-in-law of Misty Jeanette Croslin, married to Timothy A. Croslin (aka Timmy)


Croslin, Chester Leon
related in some way to Misty's father Hank Thomas Croslin Sr, age 44


Croslin, Hank Thomas Sr.
father of Misty, owns T&T Drywall Company – Hank Croslin, Inc, family is from Michigan, possibly also from Madison and Nashville TN, age 40


Croslin, Hank Thomas Jr. (aka Tommy)
brother of Misty Croslin, married to Lindsy, lives at 116 Tyler St, on a street behind/near the Cummings about 2 minutes walking time, has 2 young sons and a baby daughter (Austin, Dustin and Layla), works in drywall with father and brother, claims Nashville TN as his hometown according to his myspace (?), yet the family is from Michigan, age 22


Croslin, June Marie
related in some way to Misty's father Hank Thomas Croslin Sr, age 63


Croslin, Lindsy Kate Collins
sister-in-law of Misty Jeanette Croslin, married to Hank Thomas Croslin Jr (aka Tommy), as of 1/26/2009 the mobile home that she and Tommy live in (at 116 Tyler St) is co-owned by Lindsy and Guy W. Sapp, grew up in Flagler Beach, FL, possible grand-daughter of Guy W. Sapp


Croslin, Lisa
mother of Misty, age 39


Croslin, Michael
related in some way to Misty's father Hank Thomas Croslin Sr


Croslin, Misty Jeanette
girlfriend of Ronald Lemyles Cummings Sr, bd 12-9-1991, family is from Michigan, perhaps also from TN, news first reported Misty as being Ronald's cousin, age 17


Croslin, Timothy A. (aka Timmy)
brother of Misty croslin, married to Chelsea, lives a few miles from the Cummings home, has 2 children, looks just like Misty and has her pic on his myspace as lil sis, works in drywall with father and brother, claims Nashville TN as his hometown according to his myspace (?), yet the family is from Michigan, age 21 (?)


Cummings, Crystal
sister of Ronald Lemyles Cummings Sr


Cummings, Haleigh Ann Marie
daughter of Ronald Lemyles Cummings Sr and Crystal Sheffield, bd 8-15/16-2003, age 5


Cummings, Jack
father of Ronald Lemyles Cummings Sr, paternal grandfather of Haleigh Cummings


Cummings, Ronald Lemyles Sr
father of Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, bf 10-19/29-1983, lives at 202 Green Dr, Satusuma, FL, before Green Dr lived on Sharon Ave and before that in Lake Como area, Shoreline Rd, (does Ronald have brothers named Randy and/or Robert???), Ronald works for a Bridge Company, 211 Comfort Rd Palatka, FL, it's about 16 miles from Green Ln, age 25


Cummings, Ronald Lemyles Jr (aka Butterbean)
son of Ronald Lemyles Cummings Sr and Crystal Sheffield, brother of Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, bd 2-14/15-2005, age 4


Griffis, Bruce A.
stepfather of Crystal Sheffield, married to Nancy Marie Johns Sheffield Griffis (aka Marie), witnesses to marriage in 2002 in Putnam County, Fl were Virgil Johns Jr and Marilyn C. Brannen Johns, lives in Glen St. Mary, has lived in Lake City, Sanderson, Lawstoy, related in some way to Chad, Jill, Victor and Deborah Griffis, (possibly Victor's brother), age 46


Griffis, Chad
boyfriend/fiance of Crystal Sheffield, related in some way to Bruce, Victor and Deborah Lynn Griffis, brother of Jill Griffis, age 29


Griffis, Deborah Lynn
married to Victor Griffis, related in some way to Bruce, Chad and Jill Griffis, age 48


Griffis, Jill
related in some way to Bruce, Victor and Deborah Griffis, sister of Chad Griffis, age 25


Griffis, Nancy Marie Johns Sheffield (aka Marie)
mother of Crystal Sheffield, maternal grandmother of Haleigh Cummings, bd 1965, presently married to Bruce A. Griffis, witnesses to marriage in 2002 in Putnam County, Fl were Virgil Johns Jr and Marilyn C. Brannen Johns, lives in Glen St. Mary, age 43


Griffis, Victor
married to Deborah L. Griffis, related in some way to Bruce, Chad and Jill Griffis, (possibly Bruce's brother), age 52


Johns, Marilyn C. Brannen
stepmom of Nancy Marie Griffis, bd 1953, married on March 25, 1994 to Virgil Johns Jr, age 55


Johns, Nancy Marie
(see Nancy Marie Johns Sheffield Griffis)

 
Johns, Virgil Jr.
father of Nancy Marie Johns Sheffield Griffis (aka Marie), bd 1944, maternal great-grandfather of Haleigh Cummings, married on March 25, 1994 to Marilyn C. Johns (Marie's step-mom), deed in Baker County giving property to Marie for the sum of "love and affection", living in Glen Saint Mary, FL, age 65


Johns, Ruby
related in some way to Virgil Johns Jr (possibly his mother?), living with Virgil Johns Jr and Marilyn C. Johns in Glen Saint Mary, FL, age 82


Neves, Theresa Ann
mother of Ronald L. Cummings, paternal grandmother of Haleigh Cummings, bd 3-7-1960, Alachua County SO Dispatcher, lives at 105 Rita Ln Pomona Park, FL, age 48


Padgett, Ron
married to Sherry, uncle in some way to Haleigh Cummings, lives in Chattanooga. They work and live at a local motel there, and can barely make ends meet, but want to come and help find their niece, Haleigh. 


Padgett, Sherry
married to Ron Padgett, aunt in some way to Haleigh Cummings, lives in Chattanooga. They work and live at a local motel there, and can barely make ends meet, but want to come and help find their niece, Haleigh. 


Perry, Jeff
cousin of Misty, lives in west Nashville TN, married 5 years to Maria Boyles Perry, 2 yr old son. His myspace is http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=100325897


Perry, Maria Boyles
married to Jeff Perry, cousin of Misty, lives in west Nashville TN, married 5 years to Jeff, 2 yr old son. 
 

Sheffield, Andrew
uncle of Crystal Sheffield


Sheffield (?) Griffis (?), Chloe
daughter of Crystal Sheffield and Chad Griffis, half-sister of Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings and Ronald Lemyles Cummings Jr, 9 months old as of Jan. 15, 2009


Sheffield, Connie
stepmother of Crystal Sheffield, presently married to Johnny M. Sheffield, age 29 (?)


Sheffield, Crystal Diane
mother of Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, bd 8-30-1985, lives at 12222 Mud Lake Rd, Glen Saint Mary, Fl, age 24


Sheffield, Johnny Marcus
father of Crystal Sheffield, lives in Satsuma and MacClenny, age 46


Sheffield, Marcus
brother of Crystal Sheffield


Sheffield, Nancy Marie Johns
(see Nancy Marie Johns Sheffield Griffis)


Sheffield, Sarah Lavon
sister of Crystal Sheffield, lives in Mcclenny, Fl, age 21


Sheffield, Savannah
sister of Crystal Sheffield


Spurlock
cousin of Misty Croslin


Sykes (Sikes), Annette
paternal great-grandma


=======================


POSSIBLE RELATIVES???


Collins, Floyd J. Jr
bd
possible father of Lindsy K. Collins Croslin (married to Misty's brother Tommy), married Peggy Latrelle Sapp on 5/14/1986 in Flagler Co. 


Crosslin, James Dean
bd
possibly related to Misty Croslin, altho he has two s's in his last name. 
---> Registered Sex Offender, lives in TN.
http://www.ticic.state.tn.us/sorinternet/SOFind.aspx?strhold=n=Crosslin


Cummings, Randy
bd
possible brother to Ronald Cummings, or related in some way.


Cummings, Robert
bd
possible brother to Ronald Cummings, or related in some way.


Griffis, Billye Lee (Wager?)
bd
married to Jeffrey M. Griffis.  Possibly related to the Sapp's in some way.  Living with Jeffrey until his death on 1-7-2009, co-owning their home on 2nd Ave, Satsuma.  However, according to Putnam Civil Records, they filed for divorce on 10-13-2008. Billye Lee Griffis testified in the trial of Donald Lee Sapp in the 1990's.  However, on 01-05-09, Billye and Jeffrey both filed for a domestic violence protection order against Donald Sapp, it was denied.  Two days later on 01-07-2009, Jeffrey was hit by a car and died the following day.  He was 29 yrs old.  Benjamin D. Prewitt, 74, of Crescent City, was driving southbound on U.S. 17 on the Dunns Creek Bridge when he failed to see Griffis in the roadway.  Yet a few weeks after Jeffrey died, Donald Lee Sapp (a RSO) moved into Billye and Jeffrey's home on 2nd Ave, don't know what Billye did after that.  And Haleigh disappeared a few weeks later.  The Griffis's, Sapp's and Croslin's are possibly related in some way to Haleigh Cummings.


Griffis, Jeffrey Michael
bd
married to Billye Lee (Wager?) Griffis.  Possibly related in some way to Bruce A. Griffis.  Living with Billye until his death on 1-7-2009, co-owning their home on 2nd Ave, Satsuma.  However, according to Putnam Civil Records, they filed for divorce on 10-13-2008. Billye Lee Griffis testified in the trial of Donald Lee Sapp in the 1990's.  However, on 01-05-09, Billye and Jeffrey both filed for a domestic violence protection order against Donald Sapp, it was denied.  Two days later on 01-07-2009, Jeffrey was hit by a car and died the following day.  He was 29 yrs old.  Benjamin D. Prewitt, 74, of Crescent City, was driving southbound on U.S. 17 on the Dunns Creek Bridge when he failed to see Griffis in the roadway.  Yet a few weeks after Jeffrey died, Donald Lee Sapp (a RSO) moved into Billye and Jeffrey's home on 2nd Ave, don't know what Billye did after that.  And Haleigh disappeared a few weeks later.  The Griffis's, Sapp's and Croslin's are possibly related in some way to Haleigh Cummings.


Johns, Kyle S. Jr
bd
son of Kyle S. Johns Sr, who is possibly related to Virgil Johns Jr, (which would make Kyle Jr a maternal cousin of Haleigh Cummings)
---->  Registered Sex Offender, living at 212 Monroe Ave Putnam Fl, 500 feet from the Cummings home at 202 Green Ln Putnam FL.  (the closest RSO to them)
Kyle's pics:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/KyleJohns2.jpg


Johns, Kyle S. Sr
bd 1943
possible brother of Virgil Johns Jr, which would make him a maternal great-great-uncle of Haleigh, possibly still living in St. Petersburg.


Johns, Virgil
bd 1970
possible son of Virgil Johns Jr, which would make him a maternal great-uncle of Haleigh Cummings, current inmate of Florida State Prison, convicted of robbery. 


Sapp, Donald Lee
bd
possibly related in some way to Guy W. Sapp, Raymond Sapp, (which could make Donald related by marriage to Misty Croslin), and possibly related in some way to a Griffis (which could make Donald related by marriage as a maternal cousin to Haleigh Cummings).  From Putnam, at one time lived in the same town as Haleigh's mother, Crystal, in Glenn Saint Mary, FL, has also lived in Mcclenny, FL, where some of Crystal's family is from/living. Donald moved to 315 2nd Ave, Satsuma, (which is 3.6 miles from the Cummings home). Is 315 2nd Ave. the same home as 315 Green Lane????  In doing public records search, 315 2nd Ave. comes up as being owned by and having been the residence of Jeffrey Michael Griffis and Billye Lee (Wager?) Griffis. (see http://www1.putnam-fl.com/live/papage.asp?id=8132 ). Jeffrey M. Griffis, age 29, was hit by a car on 1/7/2009 and died the next day.  Donald Lee Sapp moved into Jeffrey and Billye's home a few weeks later on 1/26/2009.  And a few weeks after that, Haleigh disappeared. 
---->  Registered Sex Offender, arrested on 6-12-1997 for lewd/lascivious assault on 14 yr old female, occuring in East Palatka.  At the time he was already serving probation for a prev. charge of l/l assault on 13 yr old female runaway.  In 2000 he was arrested for trying to set up a meeting with a 10 yr old female, on a sting with her father in an internet chatroom.  Billye Lee Griffis had testified in Donald's trial in the 1990's.  A Raymond Sapp contributed to bail in one of Donald's cases, and Donald is mentioned in Raymond obituary in 2005. Donald is/was married and has four children, according to Raymond Sapp's obituary.   
Pic:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee166/benzo_013/sexoffender.jpg


Sapp, Guy W.
bd
possibly related in some way to Donald Lee Sapp, and possibly to Raymond Sapp as well.  Possible grandfather of Lindsy Kate Collins Croslin, sister-in-law of Misty Croslin (married to her brother Tommy), property owner in Satsuma, perhaps a Flagler Co. Property Appraiser at one time or employed by them, and according to Lindsy's myspace is very successful, age 78.


Sapp, Peggy Latrelle
bd
possibly related in some way to Guy and Raymond Sapp, possible mother of Lindsy K. Collins Croslin (married to Misty's brother Tommy), married Floyd J. Collins Jr on 5/14/1986 in Flagler Co.


Sapp, Raymond
bd
possibly related in some way to Donald Lee Sapp, and possibly to Guy W. Sapp as well.  Raymond contributed to bail in one of Donald's cases, and died in 2005. 


Wager, Billye Lee
see Billye Lee Wager Griffis


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KNOWN MYSPACE PAGES:

Chad Griffis myspace: (takes awhile to load)
Crystal's fiance/boyfriend
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418138401


Chelsea Croslin's myspace
Misty's sister-in-law, married to Timmy
http://www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin


Crystal Sheffield's myspace & facebook
Haleigh's bio mom
http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield
http://www.facebook.com/people/Crystal-Sheffield/1152193574


Jeff Perry's myspace:
Misty's TN cousin
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=100325897


Johnny Sheffield's myspace:
Crystal's and Sarah's father
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=409750817


Lindsy Croslin's myspace:
Misty's sister-in-law, married to Tommy
http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin


Marie's myspace:
Crystal's mother
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=420148756


Misty Croslin's myspace:
Haleigh's father's girlfriend
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=88648517


Sarah Sheffield's myspace:
Crystal's sister
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=370621864


Spurlock's myspace:
Misty's cousin
http://www.myspace.com/bubzspurlock


Timmy Croslin's myspace
Misty's brother
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=102176131


Tommy Croslin's myspace:
Misty's brother
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=81898882



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Wyks on February 18, 2009, 02:19:06 PM
Would like to call your attention to this wierdness... taken from the above Who's Who in Haleigh's known family and possible relatives..

This is one of the possible relatives of Haleigh, possibly a maternal cousin:

Sapp, Donald Lee
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possibly related in some way to Guy W. Sapp, Raymond Sapp, (which could make Donald related by marriage to Misty Croslin), and possibly related in some way to a Griffis (which could make Donald related by marriage as a maternal cousin to Haleigh Cummings).  From Putnam, at one time lived in the same town as Haleigh's mother, Crystal, in Glenn Saint Mary, FL, has also lived in Mcclenny, FL, where some of Crystal's family is from/living. Donald moved to 315 2nd Ave, Satsuma, (which is 3.6 miles from the Cummings home). Is 315 2nd Ave. the same home as 315 Green Lane????  In doing public records search, 315 2nd Ave. comes up as being owned by and having been the residence of Jeffrey Michael Griffis and Billye Lee (Wager?) Griffis. (see http://www1.putnam-fl.com/live/papage.asp?id=8132 ). Jeffrey M. Griffis, age 29, was hit by a car on 1/7/2009 and died the next day.  Donald Lee Sapp moved into Jeffrey and Billye's home a few weeks later on 1/26/2009.  And a few weeks after that, Haleigh disappeared.
---->  Registered Sex Offender, arrested on 6-12-1997 for lewd/lascivious assault on 14 yr old female, occuring in East Palatka.  At the time he was already serving probation for a prev. charge of l/l assault on 13 yr old female runaway.  In 2000 he was arrested for trying to set up a meeting with a 10 yr old female, on a sting with her father in an internet chatroom.  Billye Lee Griffis had testified in Donald's trial in the 1990's.  A Raymond Sapp contributed to bail in one of Donald's cases, and Donald is mentioned in Raymond obituary in 2005. Donald is/was married and has four children, according to Raymond Sapp's obituary.   
Pic:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee166/benzo_013/sexoffender.jpg


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Jeffrey M. Griffis and Billye Lee (Wager?) Griffis were married, filed for divorce back in October.  But they were still living together on 1/5/2009 when Jeffrey and Billye filed for a domestic violence restraining order against Donald Lee Sapp, which was denied. 

TWO DAYS LATER on 1/7/2009, Jeffrey, age 29, was hit by a car and died the next day. 

A few weeks later, Donald Lee Sapp moved into Jeffrey and Billye's home, on 1/26/2009.  Dunno what, if anything, Billye did, if she moved out or what. 

A few weeks after that, Haleigh disappeared.

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 18, 2009, 02:24:58 PM
wow! that was very helpful and a lot of work on your part..thank you for that...
My goodness, I don't know what to think...have to let all of this digest.. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: KC on February 18, 2009, 02:31:37 PM
I'm confused.  Misty, in the police report, says that she got up to get a drink of water.  Then she tells Greta and co that she got up to use the bathroom and noticed the light on/door open after using the loo, then says that she never made it there, then says that it was Haleigh who got up to use the bathroom and when she didn't come back is when Misty noticed the light/door open.  And, why at first did both father and gf and bio mom say that Haleigh wasn't the type to wander off when she had done it before and was found in the creek?  I'm sure there are more inconsistencies, and wish there was a summary of them somewhere.  Tried to register with WS, but can't...read about some drama that you can't register there if you belong to other sleuthing sites.  Didn't know if SM was one of them?  Whatever, they have good information in the public threads, but I'd sure like to know what is happening on the members only threads. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 18, 2009, 02:35:14 PM
KC....Haleigh wandered away when she was a lot younger, I think around 2's?
I think everyone is confused cause this gf is changing her story from time to time...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 18, 2009, 02:38:33 PM
So that girlfriend may well have been away when Haleigh disappeared.  She might or might not have been involved.  I think she knows she could be charged with some sort of child neglect or endangerment and so is not talking.

Maybe they could offer her some sort of deal to tell the truth if she was away when this child vanished?  At least it might get some more information to work with.



Maybe~but IMO that still makes her culpable of obstruction of justice and frustrating an investigation, lying to officers etc. If she was away, she should be charged and for these, but worse than that was lying to the officers if she was gone and wasting 8 days, yet still can't make up her mind what really happened ::MonkeyNoNo:: Even IF she cooperates at this point, it's a day late and a dollar short in my opinion. In abduction cases minutes matter, we are past a week.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Wyks on February 18, 2009, 02:39:54 PM
wow! that was very helpful and a lot of work on your part..thank you for that...
My goodness, I don't know what to think...have to let all of this digest.. ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks cookie!  Yeah, it's a lot of info.  Good to have all in one place tho.   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: KC on February 18, 2009, 02:45:09 PM
Another question...because Misty is a minor, would LE have more latitude in offering her immunity/or other for the obstruction charges if she has obstructed.  No doubt she's told really conflicting details, but she does not seem mentally engaged in interviews.  Sorry if this has been addressed/answered, but why wasn't Misty living with her parents?  Who let's their 17 yr old daughter live with a man with 2 kids?  So messed up.  If Misty was involved in some way, I can't picture her having the ability to cover all her tracks...she does not strike me as street wise like Casey.  And can Misty be charged with neglect when (a) they aren't her kids and (b) she's a minor?  For example, if she was just a negligent teen babysitter, rather than a day care center or something...would she be charged for leaving the kids?  She certainly would not have researched SO's in the area. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Wyks on February 18, 2009, 02:48:28 PM
I'm confused.  Misty, in the police report, says that she got up to get a drink of water.  Then she tells Greta and co that she got up to use the bathroom and noticed the light on/door open after using the loo, then says that she never made it there, then says that it was Haleigh who got up to use the bathroom and when she didn't come back is when Misty noticed the light/door open.  And, why at first did both father and gf and bio mom say that Haleigh wasn't the type to wander off when she had done it before and was found in the creek?  I'm sure there are more inconsistencies, and wish there was a summary of them somewhere.  Tried to register with WS, but can't...read about some drama that you can't register there if you belong to other sleuthing sites.  Didn't know if SM was one of them?  Whatever, they have good information in the public threads, but I'd sure like to know what is happening on the members only threads. 

It IS confusing, KC.  Misty has (at last count) five different versions of what happened when she supposedly woke up and found Haleigh gone. 

About WS, I'm not a member there and cannot see their member only threads either, but would sure like to.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  It is hard to register with them, yet don't think that's because someone is a member at another forum.  I think it has to do with the fact that WS doesn't allow registration with a yahoo, hotmail, msn, gmail etc email addy, guess they want private email accounts for registration.  I know there are some members here who are members there, under different nics, but still.  Am guessing they don't care about that much or don't check.  They do seem to have mods who issue punishments regularly tho, such as 'timeouts' etc. 

I'm glad our mods don't have to do stuff like that, there's not much need for it over here.  Our monkeys tend to mind our monkey manners.  (except for when we see there's no mod around and we jump on the beds).  heh   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 18, 2009, 02:59:48 PM
It IS confusing, KC.  Misty has (at last count) five different versions of what happened when she supposedly woke up and found Haleigh gone. 

About WS, I'm not a member there and cannot see their member only threads either, but would sure like to.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  It is hard to register with them, yet don't think that's because someone is a member at another forum.  I think it has to do with the fact that WS doesn't allow registration with a yahoo, hotmail, msn, gmail etc email addy, guess they want private email accounts for registration.  I know there are some members here who are members there, under different nics, but still.  Am guessing they don't care about that much or don't check.  They do seem to have mods who issue punishments regularly tho, such as 'timeouts' etc. 

I'm glad our mods don't have to do stuff like that, there's not much need for it over here.  Our monkeys tend to mind our monkey manners.  (except for when we see there's no mod around and we jump on the beds).  heh   ::MonkeyHaHa::

LMAO Why do you think people have a different name here and there?  The famous and not so famous here have different nicks there.  Sometimes writing style outs them LMAO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Wyks on February 18, 2009, 03:23:13 PM
It IS confusing, KC.  Misty has (at last count) five different versions of what happened when she supposedly woke up and found Haleigh gone. 

About WS, I'm not a member there and cannot see their member only threads either, but would sure like to.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  It is hard to register with them, yet don't think that's because someone is a member at another forum.  I think it has to do with the fact that WS doesn't allow registration with a yahoo, hotmail, msn, gmail etc email addy, guess they want private email accounts for registration.  I know there are some members here who are members there, under different nics, but still.  Am guessing they don't care about that much or don't check.  They do seem to have mods who issue punishments regularly tho, such as 'timeouts' etc. 

I'm glad our mods don't have to do stuff like that, there's not much need for it over here.  Our monkeys tend to mind our monkey manners.  (except for when we see there's no mod around and we jump on the beds).  heh   ::MonkeyHaHa::

LMAO Why do you think people have a different name here and there?  The famous and not so famous here have different nicks there.  Sometimes writing style outs them LMAO.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

My guess for the different nics is so that they won't be found out by the higher ups there, just in case that forum doesn't like forum-hoppers or something.  And yeah, lol, I've wondered on a few by writing styles.  Identical avatars with diff nics outs a few...  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: alwayz-wondering on February 18, 2009, 03:41:59 PM
It IS confusing, KC.  Misty has (at last count) five different versions of what happened when she supposedly woke up and found Haleigh gone. 

About WS, I'm not a member there and cannot see their member only threads either, but would sure like to.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  It is hard to register with them, yet don't think that's because someone is a member at another forum.  I think it has to do with the fact that WS doesn't allow registration with a yahoo, hotmail, msn, gmail etc email addy, guess they want private email accounts for registration.  I know there are some members here who are members there, under different nics, but still.  Am guessing they don't care about that much or don't check.  They do seem to have mods who issue punishments regularly tho, such as 'timeouts' etc. 

I'm glad our mods don't have to do stuff like that, there's not much need for it over here.  Our monkeys tend to mind our monkey manners.  (except for when we see there's no mod around and we jump on the beds).  heh   ::MonkeyHaHa::

LMAO Why do you think people have a different name here and there?  The famous and not so famous here have different nicks there.  Sometimes writing style outs them LMAO.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

My guess for the different nics is so that they won't be found out by the higher ups there, just in case that forum doesn't like forum-hoppers or something.  And yeah, lol, I've wondered on a few by writing styles.  Identical avatars with diff nics outs a few...  ::MonkeyWink::


hey my long lost friend, Wyks .  I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaack  ::MonkeyEek::
I just got on here and cant figure out if anyone knows anything about the dad and bio mom being called into the police station.  Anyone? Anyone? Or are you gonna make me read thru the last 20 page?

PS I missed my monkey friends ALOT!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 18, 2009, 03:57:09 PM
Tim Miller on Dana's show this PM

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 18, 2009, 04:00:24 PM
Haleigh's Parents Taken to Sheriff's Office

 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx)

Live report here:  http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 18, 2009, 04:07:26 PM
A vehicle was seized and process, no further information given.

No POI or suspects arrested.

Detectives follow up on leads as received.

No boats out today by LE.

$10,000 reward offered anonymously.

LE is hoping she is still alive and following up as if she is.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: CynInOregon on February 18, 2009, 04:17:24 PM
Haleigh's Parents Taken to Sheriff's Office

 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx)

Live report here:  http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx


anyone hear any more on this?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: PookyBear on February 18, 2009, 04:28:50 PM
wow! that was very helpful and a lot of work on your part..thank you for that...
My goodness, I don't know what to think...have to let all of this digest.. ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks cookie!  Yeah, it's a lot of info.  Good to have all in one place tho.   ::MonkeyWink::


Thanks Wyks -- what you put together is awesome!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: PookyBear on February 18, 2009, 04:31:37 PM
SATSUMA, FL -- The mother, father and grandmother of Haleigh Cummings are at the Putnam County Sheriff's Office right now.

Moments ago, Marie Griffis, Haleigh's grandmother, told First Coast News that deputies had told her to pick up Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh's mother, and take her to the Sheriff's Office.

Griffis left in a hurry, according to First Coast News Chief Investigative reporter Jackelyn Barnard.

Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, was taken there by the lead detective in the case.

The flurry of activity came hours after a news conference where investigators announced little except the tip about Misty Croslin not being at the house when Haleigh vanished.

Capt. Dick Schauland said the tip is one of 1,200 under investigation.

Marie Griffis says the family is taking the tip with a grain of salt until detectives can say whether it's valid.

Haleigh Cummings disappeared a week ago from her home in rural Satsuma. Croslin put Haleigh to bed at 8 p.m. Croslin said she went to bed at 10 p.m. and when she woke up around 3 a.m. Haleigh vanished.

Investigators are pushing for tips in the case since they have no clothing description on Haleigh. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=295


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2009, 05:18:50 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131646&catid=3&GID=ye5sqm9OCgx/ULsBEWOXqoSLduZfvSNOiOGbDQaYycA%3D

$16,000 Reward Offered in Search for Haleigh
Posted By: Dave Wax     Created: 2/18/2009 4:21:29 PM    Updated: 2/18/2009 4:35:49 PM

 
PALATKA, FL -- With the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings well into its second week, there is now a substantial reward being offered for information leading to the girl.

An anonymous private donor has pledged a $10,000 reward, the Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation has offered $5,000, and Crime Stoppers has its standard $1,000 reward offer, so there is a total of $16,000 being offered to help find Haleigh.

Capt. Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said Wednesday afternoon that while there isn't any new news or any new information on leads, "Hope is what we've got to live with."

Florida Department of Law Enforcement special Agent Dominick Pape said his department seized one vehicle for evidence, but wouldn't elaborate.

"Sooner or later" the investigation will get the tip it needs to find the little girl, Schauland says.

Admitting that investigators are disappointed, Pape was quick to say they are not discouraged. He says they will keep working until she's found.

Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS. You will remain anonymous and could receive a cash reward of up to $1,000 if your information leads to an arrest.


©2009 First Coast News. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, rewritten, or redistributed.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2009, 05:25:05 PM
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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Wyks on February 18, 2009, 05:28:52 PM
It IS confusing, KC.  Misty has (at last count) five different versions of what happened when she supposedly woke up and found Haleigh gone. 

About WS, I'm not a member there and cannot see their member only threads either, but would sure like to.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  It is hard to register with them, yet don't think that's because someone is a member at another forum.  I think it has to do with the fact that WS doesn't allow registration with a yahoo, hotmail, msn, gmail etc email addy, guess they want private email accounts for registration.  I know there are some members here who are members there, under different nics, but still.  Am guessing they don't care about that much or don't check.  They do seem to have mods who issue punishments regularly tho, such as 'timeouts' etc. 

I'm glad our mods don't have to do stuff like that, there's not much need for it over here.  Our monkeys tend to mind our monkey manners.  (except for when we see there's no mod around and we jump on the beds).  heh   ::MonkeyHaHa::

LMAO Why do you think people have a different name here and there?  The famous and not so famous here have different nicks there.  Sometimes writing style outs them LMAO.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

My guess for the different nics is so that they won't be found out by the higher ups there, just in case that forum doesn't like forum-hoppers or something.  And yeah, lol, I've wondered on a few by writing styles.  Identical avatars with diff nics outs a few...  ::MonkeyWink::


hey my long lost friend, Wyks .  I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaack  ::MonkeyEek::
I just got on here and cant figure out if anyone knows anything about the dad and bio mom being called into the police station.  Anyone? Anyone? Or are you gonna make me read thru the last 20 page?

PS I missed my monkey friends ALOT!

All right!   ::MonkeyDance::  Soooooooo good to see you back, AW!!   ::cartwheel::

*seat belts you onto the nearest branch*  there now, can't go disappearing on us again!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  We missed you too! 

And yeppers, that news has been coming out over the past few hours.  Weird to me how it seems that LE took the dad, but just asked the mom's grandma to take her there. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Wyks on February 18, 2009, 05:30:49 PM
wow! that was very helpful and a lot of work on your part..thank you for that...
My goodness, I don't know what to think...have to let all of this digest.. ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks cookie!  Yeah, it's a lot of info.  Good to have all in one place tho.   ::MonkeyWink::


Thanks Wyks -- what you put together is awesome!

Awww thanks, Pooky!  Cannot take credit for all of it, cuz it's been a work in progress for awhile now, info added from a whole bunch of folks! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Wyks on February 18, 2009, 05:34:18 PM
SATSUMA, FL -- The mother, father and grandmother of Haleigh Cummings are at the Putnam County Sheriff's Office right now.

Moments ago, Marie Griffis, Haleigh's grandmother, told First Coast News that deputies had told her to pick up Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh's mother, and take her to the Sheriff's Office.

Griffis left in a hurry, according to First Coast News Chief Investigative reporter Jackelyn Barnard.

Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, was taken there by the lead detective in the case.

The flurry of activity came hours after a news conference where investigators announced little except the tip about Misty Croslin not being at the house when Haleigh vanished.

Capt. Dick Schauland said the tip is one of 1,200 under investigation.

Marie Griffis says the family is taking the tip with a grain of salt until detectives can say whether it's valid.

Haleigh Cummings disappeared a week ago from her home in rural Satsuma. Croslin put Haleigh to bed at 8 p.m. Croslin said she went to bed at 10 p.m. and when she woke up around 3 a.m. Haleigh vanished.

Investigators are pushing for tips in the case since they have no clothing description on Haleigh. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=295

Soooooooooo... no mention of Misty having to go there as well?  Wonder why that is??   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: PookyBear on February 18, 2009, 06:05:10 PM
One of Ron's family member reported that Ron had a fight over a gun with a man the day before the abduction.  The gun was found in a ditch and the person he fought with has not been located.  Huh?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=295  -- see video on the right side.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on February 18, 2009, 06:11:08 PM
So that girlfriend may well have been away when Haleigh disappeared.  She might or might not have been involved.  I think she knows she could be charged with some sort of child neglect or endangerment and so is not talking.

Maybe they could offer her some sort of deal to tell the truth if she was away when this child vanished?  At least it might get some more information to work with.



Maybe~but IMO that still makes her culpable of obstruction of justice and frustrating an investigation, lying to officers etc. If she was away, she should be charged and for these, but worse than that was lying to the officers if she was gone and wasting 8 days, yet still can't make up her mind what really happened ::MonkeyNoNo:: Even IF she cooperates at this point, it's a day late and a dollar short in my opinion. In abduction cases minutes matter, we are past a week.

Elizabeth's Smart's younger sister didn't remember that she recognized Elizabeth's kidnapper until ten months after the kidnapping. I know she had to have been absolutely terrified when it all happened but how do you "forget" that you know your sister's kidnapper? The looney-tune who kidnapped Elizabeth threatened her with, "I'll kill your family" so I wonder if he also threatened the younger sister.

Anyway, when small children disappear, you are right that minutes matter. As I posted before the news came out, I had a funny feeling that the girlfriend had been out partying when she was supposed to be with the kids. I think it's within the realm of possibility that Hayley wandered off on her own and either perished from exposure or was nabbed by a stranger.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 18, 2009, 06:13:07 PM
One of Ron's family member reported that Ron had a fight over a gun with a man the day before the abduction.  The gun was found in a ditch and the person he fought with has not been located.  Huh?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=295  -- see video on the right side.
::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder if Tim will have any insight tonight?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2009, 06:13:43 PM
One of Ron's family member reported that Ron had a fight over a gun with a man the day before the abduction.  The gun was found in a ditch and the person he fought with has not been located.  Huh?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=295  -- see video on the right side.

Geez, nothing is simple in this case. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: PookyBear on February 18, 2009, 06:22:52 PM
One of Ron's family member reported that Ron had a fight over a gun with a man the day before the abduction.  The gun was found in a ditch and the person he fought with has not been located.  Huh?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=295  -- see video on the right side.

Geez, nothing is simple in this case. 

We've done this dance before.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2009, 07:01:55 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131659&catid=3

(http://www.firstcoastnews.com/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/090218063001_021809_dog1.jpg)

Haleigh Has New Pet Waiting for Homecoming
Posted By: Jackelyn Barnard     Created: 2/18/2009 6:27:57 PM    Updated: 2/18/2009 6:37:56 PM


SATSUMA, FL -- Strangers are giving teddy bears and flowers to the family of Haleigh Cummings. But one stranger has dropped off something a little unique.

A woman left a six-week-old chihuahua for Haleigh's mother. She told the family the puppy is for Haleigh when she comes home.

The family has named the pup Isabella. They say the genorosity they've seen is unbelieveable.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Wyks on February 18, 2009, 07:03:45 PM
One of Ron's family member reported that Ron had a fight over a gun with a man the day before the abduction.  The gun was found in a ditch and the person he fought with has not been located.  Huh?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=295  -- see video on the right side.

 ::MonkeyEek::

Gosh, wonder what else may have happened around that day which we haven't heard about yet....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 18, 2009, 07:28:35 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131659&catid=3

(http://www.firstcoastnews.com/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/090218063001_021809_dog1.jpg)

Haleigh Has New Pet Waiting for Homecoming
Posted By: Jackelyn Barnard     Created: 2/18/2009 6:27:57 PM    Updated: 2/18/2009 6:37:56 PM


SATSUMA, FL -- Strangers are giving teddy bears and flowers to the family of Haleigh Cummings. But one stranger has dropped off something a little unique.

A woman left a six-week-old chihuahua for Haleigh's mother. She told the family the puppy is for Haleigh when she comes home.

The family has named the pup Isabella. They say the generosity they've seen is unbelievable.
I understand the sentiment, but I don't think this was a good idea. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2009, 08:44:24 PM
REMINDER - TIM MILLER WILL BE ON DANA PRETZER TONIGHT:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: MuffyBee on February 18, 2009, 08:48:34 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131659&catid=3

(http://www.firstcoastnews.com/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/090218063001_021809_dog1.jpg)

Haleigh Has New Pet Waiting for Homecoming
Posted By: Jackelyn Barnard     Created: 2/18/2009 6:27:57 PM    Updated: 2/18/2009 6:37:56 PM


SATSUMA, FL -- Strangers are giving teddy bears and flowers to the family of Haleigh Cummings. But one stranger has dropped off something a little unique.

A woman left a six-week-old chihuahua for Haleigh's mother. She told the family the puppy is for Haleigh when she comes home.

The family has named the pup Isabella. They say the generosity they've seen is unbelievable.
I understand the sentiment, but I don't think this was a good idea. 
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I agree with you Today.    


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 18, 2009, 09:28:18 PM
Per Dana, Tim is in Florida searching for Haleigh.  I thought the search was called off.  Good news!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2009, 09:30:26 PM
Per Dana, Tim is in Florida searching for Haleigh.  I thought the search was called off.  Good news!

Yeah I heard that too.  I was wondering if Dana taped that part earlier?  Plus last I heard it was confirmed Tim would be on so this is strange.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 18, 2009, 09:44:04 PM
Per Dana, Tim is in Florida searching for Haleigh.  I thought the search was called off.  Good news!

Yeah I heard that too.  I was wondering if Dana taped that part earlier?  Plus last I heard it was confirmed Tim would be on so this is strange.
I wonder if Tim actually left at all.  They have that new chapter in Florida, maybe he had gone there. Maybe checking in with NeJame over the release of searcher information, maybe you can ask Blink.  Then with the news today about the gun and the fight and the guy missing, Tim is back to help looking for Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 18, 2009, 10:47:19 PM
One of Ron's family member reported that Ron had a fight over a gun with a man the day before the abduction.  The gun was found in a ditch and the person he fought with has not been located.  Huh?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=295  -- see video on the right side.

IIRC misty said her cousing whom she alleges molested her stole a gun from Ron while visiting.. could this be who they are talking about???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 18, 2009, 10:48:00 PM
One of Ron's family member reported that Ron had a fight over a gun with a man the day before the abduction.  The gun was found in a ditch and the person he fought with has not been located.  Huh?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=295  -- see video on the right side.

IIRC misty said her cousin whom she alleges molested her stole a gun from Ron while visiting.. could this be who they are talking about???
self edit to fix my spelling..wish we had erasers....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2009, 10:48:32 PM
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Haleighs-Family-Reacts-to-Tip-Girlfriend-Wasnt/e39O4jB0EkWJXySrXAL6sg.cspx

Haleigh's Family Reacts to Tip Girlfriend Wasn't Home
  Reported by: Ilyssa Trussel
Email: itrussel@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 10:32 pm 



SATSUMA, Fla. - It’s been nine days since 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings was last seen playing in her neighborhood---a neighborhood now turned into a 24-hour family support center.

There the community is united but the family is divided.
At the entrance to the neighborhood, Haleigh’s mother's family has set up camp.

"I'm full of hope and I know Haleigh is still out there," said Haleigh's Grandmother Marie Griffis.

Down the road, inside Haleigh's neighborhood, her father's family is doing the same.
They've set up tents to give them shelter as they wait overnight for new information.

"We are thinking the best right now.  We're not going to let the worst get to us," said Ronald Cumming's Sister Crystal Cummings.

Investigators have received more than 1200 tips.
One of them is the possibility Ronald Cummings' 17-Year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, may not have been home the last night she apparently put Haleigh to bed.

We asked Griffis if she believes Croslin would have left Haleigh and her brother home alone.

"Possibly," she said. "Who knows what goes through a 17-year-olds mind and all the accusations running around about what things she's doing and stuff, there's no telling.  You don't know what her frame of mind was so I wouldn't doubt it."

We also asked Ronald Cummings family about Misty Croslin.

"We have our questions too," said Ronald's Sister Crystal Cummings. "I can't say that she did something and I can't say that she didn't.  Our minds are puzzled right now."

Puzzled because right now Haleigh's whereabouts remain just as mysterious as the day and the way she vanished.
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 18, 2009, 10:53:06 PM
Per Dana, Tim is in Florida searching for Haleigh.  I thought the search was called off.  Good news!

Maybe not so good..... They took a car for searching for evidence,who's car, the family being taken in like that and now word is TM is there searching.. Got a REAL bad feeling about this... I'm getting chills here now....I mean will be good she is found either way,just do not like the sounds of this.... ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2009, 11:17:32 PM
Despite what Dana Pretzer said about Tim, I don't believe Tim Miller is in Florida. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 18, 2009, 11:33:09 PM
Despite what Dana Pretzer said about Tim, I don't believe Tim Miller is in Florida. 

I kinda doubt it too. I did not listen to the show tonight though. Was the Tim Miller part recorded from a day or so ago, maybe?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: jaggard19 on February 18, 2009, 11:35:02 PM
While trying to find out more information on Haleigh, I found this in the Jacksonville News:


http://www.news4jax.com/news/18735155/detail.html

Man lvining in van with 12 year old girl, birth certificate in van looks to have been altered, girl says he is her father, van was in total mess along with two dogs who were in a cage, girl was hiding under clothing when deputies found her!   What gives?  There will be, of course, more on this story!!!!

Praying for all the little ones that are lost.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Port Valerie on February 18, 2009, 11:50:09 PM
Florida (Jacksonville) Times-Union -- updated at 10:46 tonight:

By DANA TREEN
The Times-Union

SATSUMA —Misty Croslin said the accusation that she left Haleigh Cummings the night the 5-year-old disappeared is untrue.
Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh’s father, said she doesn’t know where the rumor started.

“I was there the whole night,” she told the Times-Union in an interview Wednesday where she shared several details about Haleigh’s disappearance.

It was the third time Croslin has been publicly questioned in the nine days since she called 911 on Feb. 10 to report Haleigh was missing.

As the national attention grows, she and Haleigh’s family have found themselves under more and more scrutiny. Their backgrounds show many of them have been under scrutiny before, including a custody dispute, drug use and brushes with the law, according to court records and interviews.

In the interview Wednesday, Croslin said Haleigh watched “Madagascar” and “AirBud” with her brother, then snuggled beneath a blanket in a pink Hannah Montana top. She reported Haleigh was wearing that top when she disappeared.

However, Croslin said she found the shirt on Monday, when she was allowed back inside the doublewide mobile home for the first time since the disappearance. She was there to discuss the layout of the mobile home with investigators and was looking for the clothes Haleigh wore her last day at school.

She then saw the Hannah Montana shirt in a laundry pile by the back door. “When I put her blanket on she had that shirt on,” Croslin told the Times-Union on Wednesday.

She said she has no idea how the shirt wound up there.

Investigators changed a statewide Amber Alert to remove the shirt as a clothing description.

Croslin said the children’s great-grandmother, her brother and an air-conditioning repairman were the only ones to visit the mobile home that day.

After eating, Croslin said the children watched movies before Haleigh went to bed about 8:15 p.m.

The children’s father, 25-year-old Ronald Cummings, was on an evening shift at PDM Bridge in Palatka and arrived home about the time Croslin was making the 911 call.

Since then, a team of investigators sifting through 1,200 calls and tips over nine days have sent boats into the St. Johns River and searchers into the scrub miles from where Haleigh went missing about 3 a.m. Feb. 10.

So far none has produced significant results, but some tips are being considered solid, authorities said Wednesday. They said they remain optimistic.

A vehicle was seized and processed, said Dominick Pape, chief of the Jacksonville office of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Pape would not release other information about the vehicle other than to say it was taken early in the investigation.

Croslin also told the Times-Union that the day Haleigh disappeared, she told authorities a cousin who had been staying in Crescent City for about a month went back to Tennessee. She said the cousin had “messed with” her sexually when she was a child but not been deemed a sexual offender.

The cousin had visited the mobile home she shared with Cummings but was told not to come back when a gun in the house turned up missing around the same time, she said.

As the investigation stretched on, a look at the family’s background shows some of the instabilities and conflicts that add to an already murky case.

Court records and interviews details brushes with the law involving Cummings as well as clashes over child custody with Crystal Sheffield, the biological mother of Haleigh and Ronald Jr.

Sheffield and Cummings never married, but she said the two were together between the times she was 14 and 19.

“I was 17 when I got pregnant with Haleigh,” said Sheffield, now 23.

Now living in Baker County, Sheffield had visitation every two weeks while Cummings had custody. Since her daughter’s disappearance, she and family members have set up a tent and shelter down the road from Cummings’ Green Lane mobile home.

Cummings, Croslin and their families are camped closer to the mobile home that still has not been turned back over to them by the Sheriff’s Office.

Cummings has had custody since 2005 when a magistrate said the children should live with him. He was employed and better able to provide health insurance to the children, the court said.

Sheffield said in the court record she had used cocaine a year before, a reason Cummings cited for wanting custody. He also said Haleigh had missed a dozen doctor’s appointments in the year before coming to live with him.

Sheffield has said Cummings was violent with her and court records show she once sought a protective order but then later asked that it be dismissed.

Cummings has said the fact that he has primary custody of the children shows he is a good parent.

But Cummings has had brushes with the law, including minor drug arrests, though most charges were dropped. In 2001 he was arrested after a man said he was threatened with a beating, according to court records.

Croslin said she met Cummings about six months ago when she was baby-sitting for a woman who had a child with Cummings.

Croslin said she was concerned the baby boy was not being cared for properly.

“I told him you need to get your son before something bad happens to him,” she said. Croslin said the two started talking. She was 16 at the time.

Her father, Hank Croslin Sr., told the Times-Union that Cummings told him he was 19 and later that he was 21.

Though Hank Croslin said he was angry at first about the lie, he said it is no longer an issue.

It is against Florida law for a person 24 or older to have relations with anyone 17 or younger, but investigators said they are not looking into the issue during the search for Haleigh. Find the little girl is their priority, they said.

The policy of the state Department of Children and Families also is to look first to the welfare of the children.

“If the children are being properly cared for and are not being abused, neglected or abandoned, then no action will be taken,” said department spokesman John Harrell.

He said the department has had “involvement” with the family in the past but could not under state confidentiality laws describe that interaction. Court records do show a review of the case over the custody issue.

For now, animosities have mostly been buried. At a prayer service for Haleigh on Tuesday, Misty Croslin, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield sat closely together at Dunns Creek Baptist Church, alternately holding Ronald Jr. as they hoped for the safe return of a brown-eyed, strawberry-blonde little girl.

dana.treen@jacksonville.com,
(904) 359-4091
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 19, 2009, 12:05:05 AM
While trying to find out more information on Haleigh, I found this in the Jacksonville News:


http://www.news4jax.com/news/18735155/detail.html

Man lvining in van with 12 year old girl, birth certificate in van looks to have been altered, girl says he is her father, van was in total mess along with two dogs who were in a cage, girl was hiding under clothing when deputies found her!   What gives?  There will be, of course, more on this story!!!!

Praying for all the little ones that are lost.

Yes, I saw that too..hope we find out who this girl is soon.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 19, 2009, 12:05:10 AM
Florida (Jacksonville) Times-Union -- updated at 10:46 tonight:

By DANA TREEN
The Times-Union

SATSUMA —Misty Croslin said the accusation that she left Haleigh Cummings the night the 5-year-old disappeared is untrue.
Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh’s father, said she doesn’t know where the rumor started.

“I was there the whole night,” she told the Times-Union in an interview Wednesday where she shared several details about Haleigh’s disappearance.

It was the third time Croslin has been publicly questioned in the nine days since she called 911 on Feb. 10 to report Haleigh was missing.

As the national attention grows, she and Haleigh’s family have found themselves under more and more scrutiny. Their backgrounds show many of them have been under scrutiny before, including a custody dispute, drug use and brushes with the law, according to court records and interviews.

In the interview Wednesday, Croslin said Haleigh watched “Madagascar” and “AirBud” with her brother, then snuggled beneath a blanket in a pink Hannah Montana top. She reported Haleigh was wearing that top when she disappeared.

However, Croslin said she found the shirt on Monday, when she was allowed back inside the doublewide mobile home for the first time since the disappearance. She was there to discuss the layout of the mobile home with investigators and was looking for the clothes Haleigh wore her last day at school.

She then saw the Hannah Montana shirt in a laundry pile by the back door. “When I put her blanket on she had that shirt on,” Croslin told the Times-Union on Wednesday.

She said she has no idea how the shirt wound up there.

Investigators changed a statewide Amber Alert to remove the shirt as a clothing description.

Croslin said the children’s great-grandmother, her brother and an air-conditioning repairman were the only ones to visit the mobile home that day.

After eating, Croslin said the children watched movies before Haleigh went to bed about 8:15 p.m.

The children’s father, 25-year-old Ronald Cummings, was on an evening shift at PDM Bridge in Palatka and arrived home about the time Croslin was making the 911 call.

Since then, a team of investigators sifting through 1,200 calls and tips over nine days have sent boats into the St. Johns River and searchers into the scrub miles from where Haleigh went missing about 3 a.m. Feb. 10.

So far none has produced significant results, but some tips are being considered solid, authorities said Wednesday. They said they remain optimistic.

A vehicle was seized and processed, said Dominick Pape, chief of the Jacksonville office of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Pape would not release other information about the vehicle other than to say it was taken early in the investigation.

Croslin also told the Times-Union that the day Haleigh disappeared, she told authorities a cousin who had been staying in Crescent City for about a month went back to Tennessee. She said the cousin had “messed with” her sexually when she was a child but not been deemed a sexual offender.

The cousin had visited the mobile home she shared with Cummings but was told not to come back when a gun in the house turned up missing around the same time, she said.

As the investigation stretched on, a look at the family’s background shows some of the instabilities and conflicts that add to an already murky case.

Court records and interviews details brushes with the law involving Cummings as well as clashes over child custody with Crystal Sheffield, the biological mother of Haleigh and Ronald Jr.

Sheffield and Cummings never married, but she said the two were together between the times she was 14 and 19.

“I was 17 when I got pregnant with Haleigh,” said Sheffield, now 23.

Now living in Baker County, Sheffield had visitation every two weeks while Cummings had custody. Since her daughter’s disappearance, she and family members have set up a tent and shelter down the road from Cummings’ Green Lane mobile home.

Cummings, Croslin and their families are camped closer to the mobile home that still has not been turned back over to them by the Sheriff’s Office.

Cummings has had custody since 2005 when a magistrate said the children should live with him. He was employed and better able to provide health insurance to the children, the court said.

Sheffield said in the court record she had used cocaine a year before, a reason Cummings cited for wanting custody. He also said Haleigh had missed a dozen doctor’s appointments in the year before coming to live with him.

Sheffield has said Cummings was violent with her and court records show she once sought a protective order but then later asked that it be dismissed.

Cummings has said the fact that he has primary custody of the children shows he is a good parent.

But Cummings has had brushes with the law, including minor drug arrests, though most charges were dropped. In 2001 he was arrested after a man said he was threatened with a beating, according to court records.

Croslin said she met Cummings about six months ago when she was baby-sitting for a woman who had a child with Cummings.

Croslin said she was concerned the baby boy was not being cared for properly.

“I told him you need to get your son before something bad happens to him,” she said. Croslin said the two started talking. She was 16 at the time.

Her father, Hank Croslin Sr., told the Times-Union that Cummings told him he was 19 and later that he was 21.

Though Hank Croslin said he was angry at first about the lie, he said it is no longer an issue.

It is against Florida law for a person 24 or older to have relations with anyone 17 or younger, but investigators said they are not looking into the issue during the search for Haleigh. Find the little girl is their priority, they said.

The policy of the state Department of Children and Families also is to look first to the welfare of the children.

“If the children are being properly cared for and are not being abused, neglected or abandoned, then no action will be taken,” said department spokesman John Harrell.

He said the department has had “involvement” with the family in the past but could not under state confidentiality laws describe that interaction. Court records do show a review of the case over the custody issue.

For now, animosities have mostly been buried. At a prayer service for Haleigh on Tuesday, Misty Croslin, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield sat closely together at Dunns Creek Baptist Church, alternately holding Ronald Jr. as they hoped for the safe return of a brown-eyed, strawberry-blonde little girl.

dana.treen@jacksonville.com,
(904) 359-4091
 

Seems to me someone needs to keep his zipper in the upright position...  just sayin


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: kitkat53 on February 19, 2009, 02:09:03 AM
Florida (Jacksonville) Times-Union -- updated at 10:46 tonight:

By DANA TREEN
The Times-Union

SATSUMA —Misty Croslin said the accusation that she left Haleigh Cummings the night the 5-year-old disappeared is untrue.
Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh’s father, said she doesn’t know where the rumor started.

“I was there the whole night,” she told the Times-Union in an interview Wednesday where she shared several details about Haleigh’s disappearance.

It was the third time Croslin has been publicly questioned in the nine days since she called 911 on Feb. 10 to report Haleigh was missing.

As the national attention grows, she and Haleigh’s family have found themselves under more and more scrutiny. Their backgrounds show many of them have been under scrutiny before, including a custody dispute, drug use and brushes with the law, according to court records and interviews.

In the interview Wednesday, Croslin said Haleigh watched “Madagascar” and “AirBud” with her brother, then snuggled beneath a blanket in a pink Hannah Montana top. She reported Haleigh was wearing that top when she disappeared.

However, Croslin said she found the shirt on Monday, when she was allowed back inside the doublewide mobile home for the first time since the disappearance. She was there to discuss the layout of the mobile home with investigators and was looking for the clothes Haleigh wore her last day at school.

She then saw the Hannah Montana shirt in a laundry pile by the back door. “When I put her blanket on she had that shirt on,” Croslin told the Times-Union on Wednesday.

She said she has no idea how the shirt wound up there.

Investigators changed a statewide Amber Alert to remove the shirt as a clothing description.

Croslin said the children’s great-grandmother, her brother and an air-conditioning repairman were the only ones to visit the mobile home that day.

After eating, Croslin said the children watched movies before Haleigh went to bed about 8:15 p.m.

The children’s father, 25-year-old Ronald Cummings, was on an evening shift at PDM Bridge in Palatka and arrived home about the time Croslin was making the 911 call.

Since then, a team of investigators sifting through 1,200 calls and tips over nine days have sent boats into the St. Johns River and searchers into the scrub miles from where Haleigh went missing about 3 a.m. Feb. 10.

So far none has produced significant results, but some tips are being considered solid, authorities said Wednesday. They said they remain optimistic.

A vehicle was seized and processed, said Dominick Pape, chief of the Jacksonville office of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Pape would not release other information about the vehicle other than to say it was taken early in the investigation.

Croslin also told the Times-Union that the day Haleigh disappeared, she told authorities a cousin who had been staying in Crescent City for about a month went back to Tennessee. She said the cousin had “messed with” her sexually when she was a child but not been deemed a sexual offender.

The cousin had visited the mobile home she shared with Cummings but was told not to come back when a gun in the house turned up missing around the same time, she said.

As the investigation stretched on, a look at the family’s background shows some of the instabilities and conflicts that add to an already murky case.

Court records and interviews details brushes with the law involving Cummings as well as clashes over child custody with Crystal Sheffield, the biological mother of Haleigh and Ronald Jr.

Sheffield and Cummings never married, but she said the two were together between the times she was 14 and 19.

“I was 17 when I got pregnant with Haleigh,” said Sheffield, now 23.

Now living in Baker County, Sheffield had visitation every two weeks while Cummings had custody. Since her daughter’s disappearance, she and family members have set up a tent and shelter down the road from Cummings’ Green Lane mobile home.

Cummings, Croslin and their families are camped closer to the mobile home that still has not been turned back over to them by the Sheriff’s Office.

Cummings has had custody since 2005 when a magistrate said the children should live with him. He was employed and better able to provide health insurance to the children, the court said.

Sheffield said in the court record she had used cocaine a year before, a reason Cummings cited for wanting custody. He also said Haleigh had missed a dozen doctor’s appointments in the year before coming to live with him.

Sheffield has said Cummings was violent with her and court records show she once sought a protective order but then later asked that it be dismissed.

Cummings has said the fact that he has primary custody of the children shows he is a good parent.

But Cummings has had brushes with the law, including minor drug arrests, though most charges were dropped. In 2001 he was arrested after a man said he was threatened with a beating, according to court records.

Croslin said she met Cummings about six months ago when she was baby-sitting for a woman who had a child with Cummings.

Croslin said she was concerned the baby boy was not being cared for properly.

“I told him you need to get your son before something bad happens to him,” she said. Croslin said the two started talking. She was 16 at the time.

Her father, Hank Croslin Sr., told the Times-Union that Cummings told him he was 19 and later that he was 21.

Though Hank Croslin said he was angry at first about the lie, he said it is no longer an issue.

It is against Florida law for a person 24 or older to have relations with anyone 17 or younger, but investigators said they are not looking into the issue during the search for Haleigh. Find the little girl is their priority, they said.

The policy of the state Department of Children and Families also is to look first to the welfare of the children.

“If the children are being properly cared for and are not being abused, neglected or abandoned, then no action will be taken,” said department spokesman John Harrell.

He said the department has had “involvement” with the family in the past but could not under state confidentiality laws describe that interaction. Court records do show a review of the case over the custody issue.

For now, animosities have mostly been buried. At a prayer service for Haleigh on Tuesday, Misty Croslin, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield sat closely together at Dunns Creek Baptist Church, alternately holding Ronald Jr. as they hoped for the safe return of a brown-eyed, strawberry-blonde little girl.

dana.treen@jacksonville.com,
(904) 359-4091
 

Seems to me someone needs to keep his zipper in the upright position...  just sayin

ummm yeah really. How many children does this guy have?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Wyks on February 19, 2009, 02:15:35 AM
Taken from the above news report:

"Croslin said she met Cummings about six months ago when she was baby-sitting for a woman who had a child with Cummings.

Croslin said she was concerned the baby boy was not being cared for properly.

“I told him you need to get your son before something bad happens to him,” she said. Croslin said the two started talking. She was 16 at the time."


 ::MonkeyEek::

I've read earlier rumors that Ron had another child with someone else, this confirms that as being true.  Wondering if we'll hear from that woman anytime soon, and if there are anymore little Ronald's running around... 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: kitkat53 on February 19, 2009, 02:28:30 AM
I really don't know what to think of Misty's story. Her not being at home makes sense too. But I wonder if she really wasn't at home how will the dad react to this? He doesn't seem to hold back on his name calling. I think he is gonna be really po'd if it turn's out she wasn't there.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 19, 2009, 02:30:40 AM
Taken from the above news report:

"Croslin said she met Cummings about six months ago when she was baby-sitting for a woman who had a child with Cummings.

Croslin said she was concerned the baby boy was not being cared for properly.

“I told him you need to get your son before something bad happens to him,” she said. Croslin said the two started talking. She was 16 at the time."


 ::MonkeyEek::

I've read earlier rumors that Ron had another child with someone else, this confirms that as being true.  Wondering if we'll hear from that woman anytime soon, and if there are anymore little Ronald's running around... 



and notice her statement.. kinda makes you go hmmm since she was the LAST ONE known to have been with/seen this missing little girl...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 19, 2009, 02:32:35 AM
I really don't know what to think of Misty's story. Her not being at home makes sense too. But I wonder if she really wasn't at home how will the dad react to this? He doesn't seem to hold back on his name calling. I think he is gonna be really po'd if it turn's out she wasn't there.

He does seem like a very mean person how ever, being a mom myself, I think she needs to worry about bio mom. I am still waiting for bio mom to stomp the truth out of misty..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: kitkat53 on February 19, 2009, 02:35:57 AM
I really don't know what to think of Misty's story. Her not being at home makes sense too. But I wonder if she really wasn't at home how will the dad react to this? He doesn't seem to hold back on his name calling. I think he is gonna be really po'd if it turn's out she wasn't there.

He does seem like a very mean person how ever, being a mom myself, I think she needs to worry about bio mom. I am still waiting for bio mom to stomp the truth out of misty..
I agree with that too. Oh man if I was bio mom all heck would have broken loose already.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 19, 2009, 02:45:21 AM
I really don't know what to think of Misty's story. Her not being at home makes sense too. But I wonder if she really wasn't at home how will the dad react to this? He doesn't seem to hold back on his name calling. I think he is gonna be really po'd if it turn's out she wasn't there.

He does seem like a very mean person how ever, being a mom myself, I think she needs to worry about bio mom. I am still waiting for bio mom to stomp the truth out of misty..
I agree with that too. Oh man if I was bio mom all heck would have broken loose already.

I have said I expect it to happen,but me, I would have done it within the first 24 hours... I would have gotten the truth out of her so my child could be located and I am surprised bio mom has not done it thus far,she is a stronger person then I because I would NOT have held out from beating the truth out of misty this long.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 19, 2009, 03:32:45 AM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021809Tipsters_say_girlfriends_story_not_true

Tipster: Girlfriend's
story not true

Last Edited: Wednesday, 18 Feb 2009, 4:28 PM EST
Created On: Wednesday, 18 Feb 2009, 7:41 AM EST

    * Stephanie Gibson | FOX 35 News

SATSUMA, Fla. - Putnam County Sheriff's investigators said they have received a tip that the 17-year-old girlfriend in the case of a missing Satsuma girl was not actually home at the time of the girl's disappearance, which is contrary to what she told detectives.

The girlfriend, Misty Croslin, said she had been sleeping next to 5-year-old Haleigh but when she awoke, the girl was gone. "She was sleeping right next to me," Croslin told the Palatka Daily News. "I can't believe I didn't hear anything," she added.

Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, told investigators his daughter was missing when he returned home from work around 3 a.m. Tuesday. Ronald said his girlfriend was awake and frantic that Haleigh was missing from her bed.

Croslin has responded to the allegations by the tipsters and said they are lying. Croslin is adamant that she was there at the home with Haleigh and says no one can say she wasn't there.

Investigators also said Wednesday that $16,000 in rewards have been offered for information leading the discovery of Haleigh.

In a news conference Wednesday, Putnam County Sheriff's Office Capt. Dick Schauland said investigators are now working through about 1,200 tips, including again questioning the child's father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend Misty Croslin.

Haleigh vanished nine days ago from her father's double wide mobile home, just outside the community of Satsuma, which is about 10 miles south of Palatka.

That statement makes me uneasy.. Reminds me of KC saying "im innocent, They will never break me".

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: PookyBear on February 19, 2009, 06:28:46 AM
Per Dana, Tim is in Florida searching for Haleigh.  I thought the search was called off.  Good news!

Maybe not so good..... They took a car for searching for evidence,who's car, the family being taken in like that and now word is TM is there searching.. Got a REAL bad feeling about this... I'm getting chills here now....I mean will be good she is found either way,just do not like the sounds of this.... ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh Searching -- I am getting bad vibes as well.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: PookyBear on February 19, 2009, 06:30:51 AM

Search For Haleigh : Grandmother Discouraged
SATSUMA, FL -- As day nine of the search for Haleigh Cummings comes to a close, candles still burn, tips continue to come in, and family members say they are left with even more questions.

"Nobody can make up their mind on what she was wearing, who was at home with her, where anybody was that night. It's unbelievable!" says Marie Griffis, Haleigh's maternal grandmother.

Griffis says it's hard to know what to believe. She just wants the truth.

"There are just so many lies going around," says Griffis.

Investigators aren't saying much when answering questions about possible leads, including talk about examining a particular vehicle as evidence.

"It was processed for evidence, but we're not going to get into that, but it was processed by FDLE," says Detective Dominick Pape with FDLE.

One thing both detectives and family want to focus on is the five- year-old's face. They hope the more people see her, the better chance she has of coming home soon.

"She has a brown mark on the left side of her face, close to her ear and it's pretty big. You would notice it if you looked at her," says Griffis.

Haleigh's grandmother also says the girl has another birthmark on the right side of her face near her mouth. She also has asthma and Turner's Syndrome.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131718&catid=3&GID=ltKqw8AnY6/C7EOda7Rz5Pm+O0Onl3xOMz5zdcqebq0%3D


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 19, 2009, 08:02:42 AM
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/19/news/news01.txt

Lawmen seeking answers; Investigators again question Haleigh's father and his girlfriend

BY LARRY SULLIVAN
Published: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:21 AM EST
Palatka Daily News

Investigators searching for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings are reviewing more than 1,200 tips.

In addition, Putnam County sheriff's detectives on Wednesday again questioned the girl's father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin.The questioning was conducted at the sheriff's office headquarters in Palatka.



"That's a continuing part of our investigation," said Dominick Pape, special agent in charge of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's office in Jacksonville, which is assisting Putnam County authorities.

"As leads are developed we will always be bringing back in the family members," Pape said during a press conference Wednesday afternoon. "As this case goes on and we feel the need to bring them in, we will. They've been very cooperative with us."

Pape and Capt. Dick Schauland, a spokesman for the sheriff's office, on Wednesday continued the refusal of authorities to publicly discuss results of the intensive investigation by local, state and federal officers.

Haleigh, a kindergartner, was reported missing from her home in Satsuma on Feb. 10 and no trace of her has been found.

Her disappearance triggered a massive search in and around the Hermits Cove neighborhood, not far from the St. Johns River in South Putnam.

Croslin, who was babysitting both Haleigh and her 4-year-old brother Ronald Cummings Jr., said she last saw the girl at 10 p.m. Feb. 9. Haleigh was reported missing a few hours later at 3:27 a.m.

Though the number of tips continues to swell, Schauland said information from the public likely would play a critical role in solving the case.

"Of course we're following up every one of them," he said during the press conference. "Sooner or later the one we need is going to come up and it's going to make the difference."

Schauland added, "There's no persons of interest or suspects."

Meanwhile, rewards totaling $16,000 are being offered for information leading to the discovery of Haleigh.

The bulk of that fund, $10,000, was given to local authorities by "an anonymous contributor here in Putnam County," Schauland said.

Another $5,000 was provided by the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation of Modesto, Calif., and $1,000 is being offered by Crime Stoppers of Northeast Florida.

Haleigh is described as 3 feet tall and weighing 39 pounds with blond hair.

Investigators are not discouraged as the case goes into its 10th day, Pape said.


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: No POI~I call BS on that! We are on day 10, and they still don't seem to be able to clear these two, JMO-but IF these two passed their poly's that would have gone along wa in clearing them and moving on .....I think it's time to agressively question these two and maybe tossing them in jail for neglect, gun charges, etc., could make somene (maybe Misty) break. This fiasco has gone on far too long while this child is still missing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 19, 2009, 10:45:05 AM
Tip Takes Search for Haleigh to Tennessee

SATSUMA, FL -- The search for Haleigh took investigators to Tennessee, First Coast News has learned.
The Tennessee Highway Patrol confirms that Sunday afternoon a witness claimed to have seen a man with a girl matching Haleigh's description at a Carrabba's in Knoxville.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131662&catid=295


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 19, 2009, 10:47:04 AM
I agree that they need to put more pressure on these 2...especially Misty..

In the above post where it said that Misty said that she was home with the kids and that they watched movies and that Haleigh snuggled into the blanket, didn't it say before somewhere that Haleigh was covered with a sheet cause Misty was washing blankets cause someone had peed on the blankets? which was it, a sheet or a blanket that she was covered with?
I don't believe her...I think that she had gone out and she is too afraid to tell...costing valuable time in finding HC cause she is trying cover her own bum....just my opinion of course...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 19, 2009, 10:49:33 AM
Isn't the cousin who had been visiting with Misty earlier in the evening from Tennessee? the cousin who had supposedly messed with Misty when she was younger? how old is that cousin? in saying "messing" with her, could it have been 2  young cousins just fooling around as kids and that is why nothing was ever done about it?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 19, 2009, 11:21:34 AM
Taken from the above news report:

"Croslin said she met Cummings about six months ago when she was baby-sitting for a woman who had a child with Cummings.

Croslin said she was concerned the baby boy was not being cared for properly.

“I told him you need to get your son before something bad happens to him,” she said. Croslin said the two started talking. She was 16 at the time."


 ::MonkeyEek::

I've read earlier rumors that Ron had another child with someone else, this confirms that as being true.  Wondering if we'll hear from that woman anytime soon, and if there are anymore little Ronald's running around... 



and notice her statement.. kinda makes you go hmmm since she was the LAST ONE known to have been with/seen this missing little girl...

Makes me worry about how that son is being cared for right now, if there was an issue 6 months ago.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 19, 2009, 11:31:13 AM
Isn't the cousin who had been visiting with Misty earlier in the evening from Tennessee? the cousin who had supposedly messed with Misty when she was younger? how old is that cousin? in saying "messing" with her, could it have been 2  young cousins just fooling around as kids and that is why nothing was ever done about it?

This is what I have in my notes about the cousin:

Croslin also told the Times-Union that the day Haleigh disappeared, she told authorities a cousin who had been staying in Crescent City for about a month went back to Tennessee. She said the cousin had “messed with” her sexually when she was a child but not been deemed a sexual offender.

The cousin had visited the mobile home she shared with Cummings but was told not to come back when a gun in the house turned up missing around the same time, she said.

And this from Wyks notes:
Perry, Jeff
cousin of Misty, lives in west Nashville TN, married 5 years to Maria Boyles Perry, 2 yr old son. His myspace is http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=100325897


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 19, 2009, 11:39:35 AM
In his myspace site, he has a picture of him holding a baby, with the caption: "I think I might want a little girl" Creepy under the circumstances, but could be perfectly innocent.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=100325897&albumID=630510&imageID=17062335


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 19, 2009, 11:46:07 AM
Tip Takes Search for Haleigh to Tennessee
SATSUMA, FL -- The search for Haleigh took investigators to Tennessee, First Coast News has learned.

The Tennessee Highway Patrol confirms that Sunday afternoon a witness claimed to have seen a man with a girl matching Haleigh's description at a Carrabba's in Knoxville.

There was a brief search which resulted in nothing.

<snipped>
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131662&catid=295


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 19, 2009, 02:44:00 PM
Another board just said an arrest has been made.
I'm watching cnn now.....don't see anything yet....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 19, 2009, 02:45:56 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/18750655/detail.html

Haleigh's Family Living In Tents During Search
Thursday, February 19, 2009 – updated: 1:50 pm EST February 19, 2009

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News spoke with Haleigh's family Thursday about how they are coping. They are living in a tent, about 15-by-15 (see images). Coolers are full of water and drinks and inside is where the family is living, because their mobile home down the street is still a crime scene.

New information was released Thursday about the pink shirt Haleigh was last reported wearing. Ronald Cummings' grandmother, Annette Sykes, told Eyewitness News earlier this week deputies allowed Misty Croslin back inside the mobile home where Haleigh was abducted.

At a press conference Thursday afternoon, Ronald Cummings pleaded for his daughter's safe return.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NEWS CONFERENCE: Haleigh's Father Speaks
THE TENT: See Images Of Tent Family Is Living In
RAW INTERVIEWS: Haleigh's Mother | Great Grandmother
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


"Yes, I do have a message for whoever has taken Haleigh. I would ask that you please, please bring my daughter home. She's not yours, not your property. She's not something that you just take and say, 'It's mine.' This is my daughter, this is blood and I would like to have my daughter back please. Please bring my daughter home," he pleaded.

Sykes said the 17-year-old girlfriend found the pink shirt in the home, but the sheriff's office won't confirm where it was found. Meanwhile, the family is still camped out in the neighborhood.

"It's not home, but it's good. I mean it's dry, basically, it's out of the sun," Sykes said.

But on a rainy Thursday in Putnam County, water poured through the cracks of a tent donated by a funeral home. The fire department donated a propane tank to keep them warm on cool nights and the family is taking shifts sleeping on mattresses.

"Waiting on Haleigh to come home. This is as close to the house as we can get really and the gentleman here was nice enough to let us put this up in his yard," Sykes said.

That gentleman is also allowing Haleigh's family to run cable to the tent so they can watch a big, color, flat screen TV. There's also food, drinks, and chairs for guests.

As for the investigation into Haleigh's whereabouts, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office is still following up on more than 1,300leads. Haleigh's great grandmother said she'll be sleeping under the stars until the little girl comes home.

"We'll be right here waiting," she said.

Haleigh's little brother, Junior, is sleeping at a family home about six miles away.


 ::MonkeyEek:: FTLOG~ They are now asking for donations


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 19, 2009, 02:46:32 PM
Can anyone from florida here pull up a news channel and check.....please.......
To see if this is true...an arrest has been made..........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 19, 2009, 02:48:46 PM
Another board just said an arrest has been made.
I'm watching cnn now.....don't see anything yet....

Pharlap - what board if you don't mind saying.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: ospainter on February 19, 2009, 02:52:57 PM
CNNHNews is reporting someone has been arrested.


More in 10 mins.

Not saying who it is.

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on February 19, 2009, 02:53:15 PM
CNN just said they expect more in ten minutes on whether the arrest is related or not.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 19, 2009, 02:53:41 PM
Another board just said an arrest has been made.
I'm watching cnn now.....don't see anything yet....

I wonder if it has anything to do with this case.......Misty is being interviewed AGAIN- wow, that's  huge shock ::MonkeyShocked:: They are asking for donations for buttons and shirts, hmm that sounds familiar ::MonkeyRoll:: At the press conference he gave he is VERY defensive and ticked about anyone asking questions about his personal life.
He admits he may possibly have yet another child-you can't make thi chit up seriously. And if he thinks his personal life has nothing to do with this, he needs to stop right now an take a good hard look at the choices he has made and the enviroment his kid's are living in~either that or DCS needs to get Junior out of there. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: ospainter on February 19, 2009, 02:54:52 PM
They did say, person is close to the home, they don't know if it's a sex offender.

Nothing on google yet.

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 19, 2009, 02:57:28 PM
Putnam County announcing that there has been an arrest in the case near the Cummings home. As of this minute they don't know for sure if it is related to Haleigh.

News conference at 3:00


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 19, 2009, 02:59:09 PM
Live
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=111540&catid=17
to start at 3:05


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: goodnmad on February 19, 2009, 02:59:56 PM
or WFTV

http://www.wftv.com/video/18738968/index.html (http://www.wftv.com/video/18738968/index.html)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Garden Gnome on February 19, 2009, 03:05:31 PM
HLN is covering too.

They said a car was seized and is being "processed".

What someone said a bit ago about DCF stepping in - Hell, Yes.  Hearing about another child by another girl put me over the edge, this is rediculous.  Sleeping on mattresses on the floor and still think it's ok to keep bring babies into the world.  Damn, this attitude just fries my azz. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 19, 2009, 03:05:38 PM
CNN announced it, then put up the Pres report...
So I have no clue....Just wanted you guys to get a heads up......
If that's ok...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: goodnmad on February 19, 2009, 03:06:01 PM
arrest no direct link to case

sexual predator


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Garden Gnome on February 19, 2009, 03:06:28 PM
A sex offender arrested not connected to the case.  Sigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: goodnmad on February 19, 2009, 03:06:54 PM
he wears a GPS monitor


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: goodnmad on February 19, 2009, 03:07:40 PM
not excluding him ... but GPS shows he was witihin his own home zone the night Haleigh went missing


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: FL Beagle Mom on February 19, 2009, 03:08:06 PM
police aren't excluding anyone they say.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 19, 2009, 03:08:30 PM
HLN saying its unrelated to Haleigh, but SO arrested.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Garden Gnome on February 19, 2009, 03:08:34 PM
HLN is covering too.

They said a car was seized and is being "processed".

What someone said a bit ago about DCF stepping in - Hell, Yes.  Hearing about another child by another girl put me over the edge, this is rediculous.  Sleeping on mattresses on the floor and still think it's ok to keep bring babies into the world.  Damn, this attitude just fries my azz. 

OMG, I misspelled "ridiculous"!  I am anal about spelling.  Make it go away......  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Cappuccino on February 19, 2009, 03:11:55 PM
Misty back in talking to investigators

Her relative is being spoken to, not revealing if he has a sexual offender history

No answer about child abuse in that house, "investigating but holding extremely close to us"

LE not privy to information Misty gave to media that she found a pink shirt in the house



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 19, 2009, 03:12:06 PM
Sorry Klass and everyone...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 19, 2009, 03:12:29 PM
Did anyone hear why the SO was arrested?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Dolce on February 19, 2009, 03:14:24 PM
Sorry Klass and everyone...
Nothing to be sorry about, you were right, an arrest was made!  :)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 19, 2009, 03:14:27 PM
Misty back in talking to investigators

Her relative is being spoken to, not revealing if he has a sexual offender history

No answer about child abuse in that house, "investigating but holding extremely close to us"

LE not privy to information Misty gave to media that she found a pink shirt in the house


Misty will be allowed to go home.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: CynInOregon on February 19, 2009, 03:14:49 PM
Did anyone hear why the SO was arrested?
Something about him being out of his area, but that has been since Haleigh went missing. The night she disappeared he was in his area.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 19, 2009, 03:15:30 PM
HLN is covering too.

They said a car was seized and is being "processed".

What someone said a bit ago about DCF stepping in - Hell, Yes.  Hearing about another child by another girl put me over the edge, this is rediculous.  Sleeping on mattresses on the floor and still think it's ok to keep bring babies into the world.  Damn, this attitude just fries my azz. 

The vehicle was seized some time ago:
Florida Department of Law Enforcement special Agent Dominick Pape said his department seized one vehicle for evidence, but wouldn't elaborate except to say it was taken early in the investigation. "It was processed for evidence, but we're not going to get into that, but it was processed by FDLE," says Detective Dominick Pape with FDLE.

Today's presser said that:
1. Timothy LuCacus(sp?) was arrested, no connection to the case. (?)
2. He lives near the Cummings' residence.
3. They do not believe he had anything to do with the Haleigh case.

Did I miss anything?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 19, 2009, 03:15:47 PM
Did anyone hear why the SO was arrested?

He wasn't were he was suppose to be.
Who knows............at this point.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: CynInOregon on February 19, 2009, 03:15:58 PM
Sorry Klass and everyone...
Why sorry... it was informative even if that man had nothing to do with Haleigh.

o/t
Every time I see your kitty I just crack up !!   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 19, 2009, 03:18:46 PM
Sorry Klass and everyone...
Why sorry... it was informative even if that man had nothing to do with Haleigh.

o/t
Every time I see your kitty I just crack up !!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was just going to comment on the kitty too.. I had to look closely the first time I seen that one to see what it was REALLY doing.   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 19, 2009, 03:18:48 PM
Sorry Klass and everyone...
Why sorry... it was informative even if that man had nothing to do with Haleigh.

o/t
Every time I see your kitty I just crack up !!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Tks, was just hopping they also found the little girl......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 19, 2009, 03:20:11 PM
Sorry Klass and everyone...
Why sorry... it was informative even if that man had nothing to do with Haleigh.

o/t
Every time I see your kitty I just crack up !!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was just going to comment on the kitty too.. I had to look closely the first time I seen that one to see what it was REALLY doing.   ::MonkeyShocked::

I know 'zactly what you mean!
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 19, 2009, 03:23:43 PM
Another board just said an arrest has been made.
I'm watching cnn now.....don't see anything yet....

Pharlap - what board if you don't mind saying.

Sorry, was busy trying to find someone in Florida to get more info.
Got the first alert at/from bh........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: CynInOregon on February 19, 2009, 03:27:27 PM
Sorry Klass and everyone...
Why sorry... it was informative even if that man had nothing to do with Haleigh.

o/t
Every time I see your kitty I just crack up !!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Tks, was just hopping they also found the little girl......
Me too. Or at least some answers to what has happened.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 19, 2009, 03:27:56 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::  These cases are making me perptetually pizzed off, today they are have set up a BOA accountfor funds, and are asking for donations for t-shirts and buttons...........I am losing my patience with these nitwits ::MonkeyConfused:: Did anyone else see his press interview today? He admits he MIGHT have another kid, hello-keep em zipped and you might cut down on your re-populating .......Grrrrrrrrr

Sorry for the rant!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 19, 2009, 03:33:10 PM
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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Weeble on February 19, 2009, 03:45:04 PM
It is 0.8 miles from this creep's home to where Haleigh lives.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 19, 2009, 03:47:58 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18751152/detail.html

Dad To Haleigh: 'We Will Find You'
Father's Girlfriend Being Questioned Again; Reward Increased To $16,000

UPDATED: 2:02 pm EST February 19, 2009

 
PALATKA, Fla. -- Ten days after 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her mobile home, an obviously fatigued father faced the news media Wednesday, thanking all who have helped searched for the kindergartener, the media for spreading the word and to law enforcement for their tireless efforts to find the girl.

Ronald Cummings also said he doesn't suspect his 17-year-old girlfriend did anything wrong the night Haleigh disappeared.

"I don't have any suspicions of anybody," Cummings said. "Obviously, if I knew what was going on, I would have my daughter."

Cummings became defensive when asked questions about his background, reports that he had a fight with a cousin over a gun, and other events in the days before Haleigh disappeared.

"It's about my daughter gone missing, not what's going on in my life," Cummings said. "People say a lot of things and they don't know what they're talking about."

Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, talk to the media.
 
Haleigh's paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, said Putnam County detectives told them they have several good leads, but referred all questions about the investigation to the officials.

Cummings ended the 10-minute briefing with a message for his daughter:

"I would like to tell my daughter, if she's watching, baby, I love you and we will find you," Cummings said. "I love you."

Neves' message was to whomever took Haleigh:

"Why don't you have a heart and bring her home?" Neves said.
(snipped)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 19, 2009, 03:58:38 PM
Thanks for the map work and the SO info on Timothy Loucakis, Klaas!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 19, 2009, 04:23:18 PM
Klaas where you able to verify with Dana, if Tim is or is not in FL to search? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 19, 2009, 04:26:19 PM
Klaas where you able to verify with Dana, if Tim is or is not in FL to search? 

Last night durring Dana's show I asked Red about it and Red said that he was pretty certain Tim was in Houston and not Florida.  I believe Dana may have been mistaken.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 19, 2009, 04:52:31 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

How weird is it that a Funeral home director is setting the fund up......sorry, that would freak me out personally ::MonkeyConfused::

Please bring my daughter home," he repeated, wearing a black hat with the letters G.A.P. for God Answers Prayers.

Jamie Watts of Watts Funeral Home also announced a fund has been set up for the family at Bank of America in Haleigh's name.Watts said he's also had shirts and buttons made that people can get at his funeral home, 720 U.S. 17, San Mateo by giving a donation.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-19/story/haleigh_day_10_father_makes_plea_to_keep_family_out_of_scrutiny


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Blonde on February 19, 2009, 05:56:06 PM
HLN saying its unrelated to Haleigh, but SO arrested.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18751153/detail.html

Putnam County Sex Predator Arrested
Sheriff: No Direct Connection To Haleigh; Not Going To Exclude Anybody

UPDATED: 4:05 pm EST February 19, 2009

PALATKA, Fla. -- A registered sexual predator who lives one mile from the mobile home where 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared 10 days ago was arrested Thursday, but Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said there's no direct link to the girl's disappearance.

Timothy Randolph Loucakis, 50, was charged with violating the terms of his probation after officials said he was not home at 10 p.m. Wednesday night, which violated his curfew.

"We know where he was, by GPS, and we do have a team going down to that area just to do a preliminary search of that area," Hardy said Thursday afternoon.

Hardy said Loucakis was interviewed two hours after Haleigh was reported missing early the morning of Feb. 10. Deputies searched his home and checked his GPS monitoring bracelet, which showed he had not left his "home zone" during the time Haleigh disappeared.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 19, 2009, 05:58:28 PM
HLN saying its unrelated to Haleigh, but SO arrested.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18751153/detail.html

Putnam County Sex Predator Arrested
Sheriff: No Direct Connection To Haleigh; Not Going To Exclude Anybody

UPDATED: 4:05 pm EST February 19, 2009

PALATKA, Fla. -- A registered sexual predator who lives one mile from the mobile home where 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared 10 days ago was arrested Thursday, but Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said there's no direct link to the girl's disappearance.

Timothy Randolph Loucakis, 50, was charged with violating the terms of his probation after officials said he was not home at 10 p.m. Wednesday night, which violated his curfew.

"We know where he was, by GPS, and we do have a team going down to that area just to do a preliminary search of that area," Hardy said Thursday afternoon.

Hardy said Loucakis was interviewed two hours after Haleigh was reported missing early the morning of Feb. 10. Deputies searched his home and checked his GPS monitoring bracelet, which showed he had not left his "home zone" during the time Haleigh disappeared.


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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 19, 2009, 06:28:50 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18751152/detail.html

Dad To Haleigh: 'We Will Find You'
Father's Girlfriend Being Questioned Again; Reward Increased To $16,000

UPDATED: 2:02 pm EST February 19, 2009

 
PALATKA, Fla. -- Ten days after 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her mobile home, an obviously fatigued father faced the news media Wednesday, thanking all who have helped searched for the kindergartener, the media for spreading the word and to law enforcement for their tireless efforts to find the girl.

Ronald Cummings also said he doesn't suspect his 17-year-old girlfriend did anything wrong the night Haleigh disappeared.

"I don't have any suspicions of anybody," Cummings said. "Obviously, if I knew what was going on, I would have my daughter."

Cummings became defensive when asked questions about his background, reports that he had a fight with a cousin over a gun, and other events in the days before Haleigh disappeared.

"It's about my daughter gone missing, not what's going on in my life," Cummings said. "People say a lot of things and they don't know what they're talking about."

Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, talk to the media.
 
Haleigh's paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, said Putnam County detectives told them they have several good leads, but referred all questions about the investigation to the officials.

Cummings ended the 10-minute briefing with a message for his daughter:

"I would like to tell my daughter, if she's watching, baby, I love you and we will find you," Cummings said. "I love you."

Neves' message was to whomever took Haleigh:

"Why don't you have a heart and bring her home?" Neves said.
(snipped)

Umm hello nitwit, your daughter is missing,therefor SOMEONE did SOMETHING.. ugggg don't have suspicions of anyone..sheesh what a nitwit... If he don't have suspicions of anyone,then he MUST know what happened to his daughter...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 19, 2009, 06:30:22 PM
HLN saying its unrelated to Haleigh, but SO arrested.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18751153/detail.html

Putnam County Sex Predator Arrested
Sheriff: No Direct Connection To Haleigh; Not Going To Exclude Anybody

UPDATED: 4:05 pm EST February 19, 2009

PALATKA, Fla. -- A registered sexual predator who lives one mile from the mobile home where 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared 10 days ago was arrested Thursday, but Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said there's no direct link to the girl's disappearance.

Timothy Randolph Loucakis, 50, was charged with violating the terms of his probation after officials said he was not home at 10 p.m. Wednesday night, which violated his curfew.

"We know where he was, by GPS, and we do have a team going down to that area just to do a preliminary search of that area," Hardy said Thursday afternoon.

Hardy said Loucakis was interviewed two hours after Haleigh was reported missing early the morning of Feb. 10. Deputies searched his home and checked his GPS monitoring bracelet, which showed he had not left his "home zone" during the time Haleigh disappeared.


Yet they do not think he was involved....hmm


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 19, 2009, 07:22:07 PM
Haleigh's Family Pleads For Her Safe Return
Anonymous Donor Contributes $10K To Reward For Missing Girl
POSTED: 4:36 pm EST February 18, 2009
UPDATED: 2:05 pm EST February 19, 2009


SATSUMA, Fla. -- The father of missing Putnam County girl Haleigh Cummings had little comment to the media during a news conference Thursday regarding the questioning of his girlfriend, Misty Croslin.
Croslin, 17, was put in a deputy's car to be taken in for questioning earlier Thursday.When probed by reporters about how he felt about his girlfriend's story and if he had suspicions that she hurt his 5-year-old, father Ronald Cummings repeatedly said he was not a detective. He said those type of questions should be directed to detectives.

::MonkeyNoNo:: How many times has it been now, 5-6? And at the press conference they said she was taking another polygraph  ::MonkeyConfused::


"I just want the truth. I just want my daughter home. I don't have any suspicions of anybody. Anybody could've done something. I believe Misty is telling the truth," Ronald Cummings said.
Just as the public heard from George and Cindy Anthony, the grandparents of once missing and now deceased toddler Caylee Anthony, Cummings pleaded with reporters and the community to focus solely on his daughter and bringing her home safely. "We need to focus on my daughter going missing, not what's going on in my life besides my daughter going missing," Cummings said

Haleigh's Family Pleads For Her Safe Return: Video
http://www.wesh.com/video/18751699/index.html

Article:
http://www.wesh.com/news/18743397/detail.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 19, 2009, 07:25:27 PM
ummmmmmmm.....I don't come in here.......anyone know if this locks on 100??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 19, 2009, 07:26:32 PM
ummmmmmmm.....I don't come in here.......anyone know if this locks on 100??

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Yes, but I'll watch it NUT...thanks!

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 19, 2009, 07:28:38 PM
LOL!!! OK.....thanks,  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 19, 2009, 07:49:11 PM
Search for Haleigh Includes Tennessee

 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131741&catid=3)
JACKSONVILLE, FL -- With the Haleigh Cummings Amber Alert status creating a nationwide lookout, there are reports of a search this past weekend in Knoxville, Tennessee.

The Tennessee Highway Patrol confirms that a man with a little girl who looked like Haleigh Cummings was spotted outside a Carrabba's restaurant in East Knoxville on Sunday afternoon. The Highway Patrol quickly canvassed the area in a search that resulted in no findings.

More witnesses came forward saying the man, who was white, walked while shielding the face of a girl who looked like Haleigh. The two got into a red Toyota RAV4 with Florida license plates and drove off.

The Tennessee Highway Patrol has no further comment and can't confirm that the girl was actually Haleigh Cummings.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Today on February 19, 2009, 07:51:13 PM
Quote
More witnesses came forward saying the man, who was white, walked while shielding the face of a girl who looked like Haleigh. The two got into a red Toyota RAV4 with Florida license plates and drove off.

If this is real its big IMHO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Garden Gnome on February 19, 2009, 08:00:36 PM
Quote
More witnesses came forward saying the man, who was white, walked while shielding the face of a girl who looked like Haleigh. The two got into a red Toyota RAV4 with Florida license plates and drove off.

If this is real its big IMHO

If this is real it is terrifying.  Unless someone grabbed her to get her out of a bad home life, then that little baby is in real big trouble. 

I pray she is not in some pervert's hands.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 19, 2009, 08:03:45 PM
Search for Haleigh Includes Tennessee

 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131741&catid=3)
JACKSONVILLE, FL -- With the Haleigh Cummings Amber Alert status creating a nationwide lookout, there are reports of a search this past weekend in Knoxville, Tennessee.

The Tennessee Highway Patrol confirms that a man with a little girl who looked like Haleigh Cummings was spotted outside a Carrabba's restaurant in East Knoxville on Sunday afternoon. The Highway Patrol quickly canvassed the area in a search that resulted in no findings.

More witnesses came forward saying the man, who was white, walked while shielding the face of a girl who looked like Haleigh. The two got into a red Toyota RAV4 with Florida license plates and drove off.

The Tennessee Highway Patrol has no further comment and can't confirm that the girl was actually Haleigh Cummings.



OMG, please let this be Haleigh. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 19, 2009, 08:41:08 PM
So if the SO was where he was supposed to be on the Monday night, did he live close enough to Haleigh for Misty and Haleigh to walk there ?
Hope they are looking at what LP would call the " daisy chain " back to Misty.
One of the Docs on NG a while ago theorized that maybe Misty was being " groomed " by a SO in order to have access to the little girl.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 19, 2009, 09:00:02 PM
So if the SO was where he was supposed to be on the Monday night, did he live close enough to Haleigh for Misty and Haleigh to walk there ?
Hope they are looking at what LP would call the " daisy chain " back to Misty.
One of the Docs on NG a while ago theorized that maybe Misty was being " groomed " by a SO in order to have access to the little girl.

Less than a mile away



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 19, 2009, 09:00:43 PM
His GPS would only prove that he was home around the time that they "think" that Haleigh was taken...they really don't have the time line zeroed down for sure...he could have been gone from the home at a different time .....this was mentioned by NG and it makes sense to me...
the gf knows more than she is saying....just my opinion...she is a scared kid...
kids lie when they know that they will get into trouble...hope that she does the right thing and fesses up....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 19, 2009, 09:16:59 PM
http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Developments-in-TN/F7bHkZR8Y02bZFU_CnxzoQ.cspx

Haleigh Cummings Developments in TN
  Reported by: Kristen Cosby
Email: kcosby@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 8:40 pm 

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla.-- The Putnam County Sheriff's Department questioned a man in Tennessee about the disappearance of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said the man questioned is a relative of Misty Croslin. Croslin is Haleigh's father's 17-year-old girlfriend. She was supposed to be watching Haleigh at the time of the girl's disappearance.

The Sheriff's department would not reveal what kind of relative the man is to Croslin.

Haleigh's paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, said Croslin's cousin visited Putnam County days before Haleigh's disappearance. Neves said the cousin and Haleigh's dad, Ronald Cummings, got into a fight about a gun during that visit. She also said the cousin left town the same day Haleigh disappeared.

Ronald Cummings denies that fight ever happened.

"There was no fight with no cousin over a gun," said Ronald Cummings.

Someone spotted a girl they thought was Haleigh in Croslin's cousin's home state- Tennessee. The spotting was in a Knoxville Carrabba's Restaurant parking lot Sunday at 2 p.m. The Knoxville Police department said that person called them and said they spotted Haleigh in a red, Toyota RAV4. The caller said she was with a white man and white woman and they looked like they were trying to shield the girl's face.

Knoxville police responded, but never found anyone matching the description.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement seized a vehicle as evidence in this case, but they will not describe it.

Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her bedroom February 9. She has blond hair, brown eyes and a birthmark near her left ear.
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 19, 2009, 09:22:28 PM
Cookie, I agree with you.  The guy knows he has a curfew. He violates it recently.
He also knows that there are FBI and other cops everywhere. What could have been so important to this creepy SO to do this right at this critical time ?
.. Another reson that LE might be so tight lipped in this case is that : They don't want to show their hand just in case the little girl is alive and put the fear into whoever has her, making them take her further away or worse.
...............
And woundn't they have processed any fingerprints from the trailer back door by now ?  If there were no other prints than what would be expected, then Misty might be under the spotlight again for that reason.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 19, 2009, 10:30:23 PM
As I am watching NG, the train came through.  And of course the K9 going to the train tracks has been nagging at me.  I wonder how slow the train goes through that area.  :2thinky:


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 19, 2009, 10:45:43 PM
Cookie, I agree with you.  The guy knows he has a curfew. He violates it recently.
He also knows that there are FBI and other cops everywhere. What could have been so important to this creepy SO to do this right at this critical time ?
.. Another reson that LE might be so tight lipped in this case is that : They don't want to show their hand just in case the little girl is alive and put the fear into whoever has her, making them take her further away or worse.
...............
And woundn't they have processed any fingerprints from the trailer back door by now ?  If there were no other prints than what would be expected, then Misty might be under the spotlight again for that reason.   


Kat, NG said that folks under house arrest are never arrested for technical violations, her implication was the arrest was remarkable (my words).  Sounds like the ankle bracelets or whatever are kind of a toothless means of controlling a perps comings and goings.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: IBE on February 20, 2009, 12:34:32 AM
sorry, I am 95 pages behind in reading

Is there a page where the bank acct shown on NG, but for a very quick time?

It was for Haleigh said Bank of America.

To me it is an outrage that a family has to live in a tent when the Anthony's rake in all the money from interviews. However, I would do the same (live in a tent if necessary) to remain close, if in their shoes.

In one night not only did the father, young son, gf loose Haliegh but lost their home also.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 12:34:47 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18755383/detail.html

Haleigh's Mother Pleads For 5-Year-Old's Return
Mom Has Messages For Whomever Took Haleigh


POSTED: Thursday, February 19, 2009
UPDATED: 11:36 pm EST February 19, 2009

 
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Ten days since her daughter was last seen, Haleigh Cummings' mother said it feels like "her heart is being ripped out."

On the night of Feb. 9 the 5-year-old girl disappeared from her home in Satsuma. On Thursday evening, both of the missing child's parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, spoke out and asked for their little girl's safe return.

Haleigh's parents stood close to each other at the evening's candlelight vigil, praying for their missing daughter. They said they are not giving up on Haleigh.

After the vigil, Sheffield had a message for the person who has her child.

"I hope you're watching this every day and see how much it hurts our families, and I hope it eats your heart out your chest," Sheffield said. "She's just a baby. It's torn my heart out of my chest, and I hope it's doing the same to you."

For 10 days, both Cummings' family and Sheffield's family have been sleeping in tents near the home from which Haleigh disappeared in order to be around whenever news breaks about the girl's whereabouts.

"I feel helpless, but I'm here and I'm not leaving until she's home," Sheffield said.

Earlier in the day, Cummings' girlfriend, Misty Croslin, was taken to the sheriff's office once again for more questioning. Detectives have remained tight-lipped about what was discussed with the 17-year-old.

"I hope she's telling the truth … because my kids they love her. I hope she wouldn’t do nothing to hurt them," Sheffield said.

She and Cummings were brought separately to the Putnam County Sheriff's Office Wednesday afternoon for interviews.

However, officials downplayed those interviews as routine and said there's no break in the hunt for the girl.

"As leads develop, we will always be going back to the family members," Florida Department of Law Enforcement agent-in-charge Dominick Pape said. "As this case goes on and we feel the need to bring them in, we will. They've been very cooperative with us."

The Sheffield family said they plan to make buttons, T-shirts and hats to try to add to the $16,000 reward for any tip that leads investigators to Haleigh.

Anyone with information about Haleigh's disappearance should call at 888-277-TIPS or the FDLE's Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse at 888-FL-MISSING.

Dad To Haleigh: "We Will Find You"

For the first time since Haleigh's disappearance, Cummings held his own news briefing outside his tent on Thursday.

The obviously fatigued father faced the news media, thanking all who have helped searched for the kindergartener, the media for spreading the word and to law enforcement for their tireless efforts to find the girl.

Cummings also said he doesn't suspect his 17-year-old girlfriend did anything wrong the night Haleigh disappeared.

"I don't have any suspicions of anybody," Cummings said. "Obviously, if I knew what was going on, I would have my daughter."

Cummings became defensive when asked questions about his background, reports that he had a fight with a cousin over a gun, and other events in the days before Haleigh disappeared.

"It's about my daughter gone missing, not what's going on in my life," Cummings said. "People say a lot of things and they don't know what they're talking about."

Haleigh's paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, said Putnam County detectives told them they have several good leads, but referred all questions about the investigation to the officials.

Cummings ended the 10-minute briefing with a message for his daughter:

"I would like to tell my daughter, if she's watching, baby, I love you and we will find you," Cummings said. "I love you."

Neves' message was to whomever took Haleigh:

"Why don't you have a heart and bring her home?" Neves said.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 12:36:28 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131791&catid=17

Investigators Question Relative of Misti Croslin in Tennessee
Posted By: Talia Naquin     51 mins ago

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- Following tips on a possible Haleigh sighting in Tennessee, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office has questions for someone who lives there. He is a relative of Misti Croslin, the girlfriend of Haleigh's father and the last known person who saw the child the night she disappeared.

The tip came in that someone spotted a girl matching Haleigh Cummings' description in a Carrabba's in Knoxville, Tennessee.

Witnesses report that a man with the girl shielded her face. They are said to have left in a red Toyota Rav4 with a Florida license plate.

Thursday, deputies picked up Croslin for another round of questioning. She was at the sheriff's department for five hours.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy will not say how Misti Croslin and the person in Tennessee are related, or if that person is a sex offender.

"My feeling all along, Haleigh is not in this area. I've been adamant about it. I know she's out of state somewhere. Don't ask me how I know, it is right here in my gut," Haleigh's grandmother, Marie Griffis, told First Coast News reporter Lindy Thackston at a vigil Thursday night. The family has held the vigil every night since Haleigh disappeared.

"Everybody tells me, well a sexual offender done this. I just don't feel that. Whoever has her knows her, " Griffis said.

Deputies arrested a sex predator last night who lives within a mile of Haleigh's home. Sheriff Hardy says Timothy Loucakis' ankle monitor shows he was in his house or in his yard when Haleigh vanished. The sheriff says he is not a suspect. Deputies arrested Loucakis for breaking curfew. Loucakis was sentenced in 2001 for child abuse and promoting sexual performance on a child.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office will hold a briefing on the investigation at 3 p.m. Friday. First Coast News will bring it to you live on firstcoastnews.com and on WJXX, ABC-25 and NBC-12, WTLV.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Mtnmom on February 20, 2009, 01:28:11 AM
my heart breaks for the grandma    ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 20, 2009, 03:26:12 AM
sorry, I am 95 pages behind in reading

Is there a page where the bank acct shown on NG, but for a very quick time?

It was for Haleigh said Bank of America.

To me it is an outrage that a family has to live in a tent when the Anthony's rake in all the money from interviews. However, I would do the same (live in a tent if necessary) to remain close, if in their shoes.

In one night not only did the father, young son, gf loose Haliegh but lost their home also.
They want to stay close. I don't think there are hotels, etc or alternate living arrangements close by. I have insomnia.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Searching on February 20, 2009, 03:42:42 AM
sorry, I am 95 pages behind in reading

Is there a page where the bank acct shown on NG, but for a very quick time?

It was for Haleigh said Bank of America.

To me it is an outrage that a family has to live in a tent when the Anthony's rake in all the money from interviews. However, I would do the same (live in a tent if necessary) to remain close, if in their shoes.

In one night not only did the father, young son, gf loose Haliegh but lost their home also.
They want to stay close. I don't think there are hotels, etc or alternate living arrangements close by. I have insomnia.   

So do I...  From the looks of Satsuma, it is a small rural town... I would think they could stay with family but I am guessing it is more they just want to be right there close to the house.... I do hope this girl is alive and well. I hope she is found soon. This is terrible..our children seem to have become a hunted prey......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 20, 2009, 06:39:39 AM
sorry, I am 95 pages behind in reading

Is there a page where the bank acct shown on NG, but for a very quick time?

It was for Haleigh said Bank of America.

To me it is an outrage that a family has to live in a tent when the Anthony's rake in all the money from interviews. However, I would do the same (live in a tent if necessary) to remain close, if in their shoes.

In one night not only did the father, young son, gf loose Haliegh but lost their home also.
They want to stay close. I don't think there are hotels, etc or alternate living arrangements close by. I have insomnia.   

So do I...  From the looks of Satsuma, it is a small rural town... I would think they could stay with family but I am guessing it is more they just want to be right there close to the house.... I do hope this girl is alive and well. I hope she is found soon. This is terrible..our children seem to have become a hunted prey......


Is there a bank account that we could contribute to towards the reward or to help out the family with food etc..? My heart breaks for this whole family....
Can't someone bring in/donate motorhomes/travel trailers for the families to stay in while they are waiting for Haleigh to come home? At least they would be out of the weather...If I had one, they could use mine...
I think that everyone of these people really do care for this child...
I still think that Misty knows something, not that she directly hurt this child, but that she left or something like that...again, fess up Misty..do the right thing..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 06:55:57 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131791&catid=17

Investigators Question Relative of Misti Croslin in Tennessee
Posted By: Talia Naquin     51 mins ago

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- Following tips on a possible Haleigh sighting in Tennessee, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office has questions for someone who lives there. He is a relative of Misti Croslin, the girlfriend of Haleigh's father and the last known person who saw the child the night she disappeared.

The tip came in that someone spotted a girl matching Haleigh Cummings' description in a Carrabba's in Knoxville, Tennessee.

Witnesses report that a man with the girl shielded her face. They are said to have left in a red Toyota Rav4 with a Florida license plate.

Thursday, deputies picked up Croslin for another round of questioning. She was at the sheriff's department for five hours.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy will not say how Misti Croslin and the person in Tennessee are related, or if that person is a sex offender.

"My feeling all along, Haleigh is not in this area. I've been adamant about it. I know she's out of state somewhere. Don't ask me how I know, it is right here in my gut," Haleigh's grandmother, Marie Griffis, told First Coast News reporter Lindy Thackston at a vigil Thursday night. The family has held the vigil every night since Haleigh disappeared.

"Everybody tells me, well a sexual offender done this. I just don't feel that. Whoever has her knows her, " Griffis said.

Deputies arrested a sex predator last night who lives within a mile of Haleigh's home. Sheriff Hardy says Timothy Loucakis' ankle monitor shows he was in his house or in his yard when Haleigh vanished. The sheriff says he is not a suspect. Deputies arrested Loucakis for breaking curfew. Loucakis was sentenced in 2001 for child abuse and promoting sexual performance on a child.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office will hold a briefing on the investigation at 3 p.m. Friday. First Coast News will bring it to you live on firstcoastnews.com and on WJXX, ABC-25 and NBC-12, WTLV.



Ok, this is what confuses me about this sighting, IF this were Misty's cousinf from TN, wouldn't he have TN tags on his car and not FL ::MonkeyConfused:: I just remember all the false Caylee sightings and pray they find her today......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 06:58:53 AM
sorry, I am 95 pages behind in reading

Is there a page where the bank acct shown on NG, but for a very quick time?

It was for Haleigh said Bank of America.

To me it is an outrage that a family has to live in a tent when the Anthony's rake in all the money from interviews. However, I would do the same (live in a tent if necessary) to remain close, if in their shoes.

In one night not only did the father, young son, gf loose Haliegh but lost their home also.
They want to stay close. I don't think there are hotels, etc or alternate living arrangements close by. I have insomnia.   

So do I...  From the looks of Satsuma, it is a small rural town... I would think they could stay with family but I am guessing it is more they just want to be right there close to the house.... I do hope this girl is alive and well. I hope she is found soon. This is terrible..our children seem to have become a hunted prey......


Is there a bank account that we could contribute to towards the reward or to help out the family with food etc..? My heart breaks for this whole family....
Can't someone bring in/donate motorhomes/travel trailers for the families to stay in while they are waiting for Haleigh to come home? At least they would be out of the weather...If I had one, they could use mine...
I think that everyone of these people really do care for this child...
I still think that Misty knows something, not that she directly hurt this child, but that she left or something like that...again, fess up Misty..do the right thing..

There is a bank a/c of B of A set up as the Haleigh fund, and a local funeral home has t-shirts and buttons that you can get for a donation. I posted the article on the previous page, it seems it is to pay bills, etc .


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 07:06:21 AM
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/20/news/news01.txt


Man ruled out as suspect in Haleigh case

By Kristin Chambers
Published: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:17 AM EST
A sexual predator was arrested Thursday in the Satsuma area after authorities said he violated his probation Wednesday evening.

According to Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy, there is nothing to link the man to the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings 11 days ago.

"This man has been on a GPS monitoring bracelet, and his curfew is from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m., and last night the man was not within his home zone, so he violated his curfew," Hardy said at a press conference Thursday.

"This man is a sex predator, which means he is a very dangerous individual, but the fact is, we did go back on the evening that Haleigh disappeared and the GPS monitor does say that he was within his home zone."



Timothy Randolph Loucakis is one of five sexual predators who live within 5 miles of Haleigh's home, with 45 sexual offenders in the area, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement Web site.

"What we are concerned about is that we do have a sex predator that violated his probation and wasn't where he was supposed to be," Hardy said.

According to Hardy, authorities are investigating more than 1,300 tips involving the case of the missing 5-year-old.

Haleigh, a kindergartner, was reported missing from her home in Satsuma Feb. 10 and no trace of her has been found.

Meanwhile, Haleigh's school, Browning-Pearce Elementary, received support Thursday from an elementary school in Orange Park.

W.E. Cherry Elementary School Principal Angela Whiddon has had experience with similar tragedies, and believes in reaching out to nearby schools dealing with such situations.

"When you work in this environment, it's more than just a school - it's a family," Whiddon said. "When a tragedy happens your whole faculty and staff hurts."

According to Debra Buckles, Browning-Pearce principal, enough desserts were brought over by the Cherry staff to feed the faculty at Haleigh's school.

"I just thought it was a wonderful gesture on their part," Buckles said.

Cherry has supported many schools that have faced tragedy through the donation of lunch or desserts, which are made possible by donations from teachers at the school.

Whiddon said it is important for schools to support each other.

"Especially for a small community - the whole community hurts," Whiddon said. "You lean on each other and it's nice to have outside support. It's just what we do."

Additional support has been approved by Haleigh's family through the purchase of buttons and T-shirts displaying Haleigh's picture. The items are made by and can be bought from Watts Funeral Home. Proceeds will go to Haleigh's family.




     
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 20, 2009, 07:31:03 AM
IslandMonkey...thanks for the info on the b/a...

2 things stuck out to me in the above....one is: isn't it kindof creepy that a funeral home is handling the t shirt etc. sales? Isn't there another business that could be the "store front" so to speak?
and two: so the SO has monitoring hours between 10 PM and 6 AM? sooooooo.....sex offenders don't offend in the hours before and after 10-6??? why not be monitored all the time? or did I misunderstand?
besides, like we have said, we really don't know when Haleigh disappeared so how can they say that he was within his time zone of being monitored? he may have been home then but what about the time before that?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 20, 2009, 07:32:22 AM
^^^^^ it is nice that the funeral home is getting involved and helping out the family, it just creeped me out when I first read it....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 07:34:50 AM
http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Flagler/flaFLAG01022009.htm

February 20, 2009

Flagler County helps in search for missing girl

By HEATHER SCOFIELD
Staff Writer

Flagler County officials will send a team to Putnam County today to aid the search for a missing 5-year-old girl.

Special operations deputies from the Flagler County Sheriff's Office, several Flagler County firefighters and officials from Flagler's Emergency Operations Center were called to help look for Haleigh Cummings, officials said Thursday.

Local officials have been helping in the search and investigation periodically since the girl disappeared Feb. 10, sheriff's Maj. Steve Clair said.

Flagler officials said Thursday they believe new information may have surfaced in the case of the missing girl, prompting officials to resume search efforts that were abandoned earlier in the week.

Haleigh vanished from her father's double-wide mobile home outside Satsuma, about 10 miles south of Palatka. Putnam County sheriff's officials said $16,000 in rewards have been offered to help find the girl.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 07:40:41 AM
sorry, I am 95 pages behind in reading

Is there a page where the bank acct shown on NG, but for a very quick time?

It was for Haleigh said Bank of America.

To me it is an outrage that a family has to live in a tent when the Anthony's rake in all the money from interviews. However, I would do the same (live in a tent if necessary) to remain close, if in their shoes.

In one night not only did the father, young son, gf loose Haliegh but lost their home also.

I agree and someone needs to take Misty and give her a warm bath and put her to bed for 12 hours.  I watched her this morning on NBC and she is still adamant that she was home and that their was no time lapse when she called 911 and Paternal grandmother was there w/her and said she believes her once again.  IDK. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 07:41:37 AM
IslandMonkey...thanks for the info on the b/a...

2 things stuck out to me in the above....one is: isn't it kindof creepy that a funeral home is handling the t shirt etc. sales? Isn't there another business that could be the "store front" so to speak?
and two: so the SO has monitoring hours between 10 PM and 6 AM? sooooooo.....sex offenders don't offend in the hours before and after 10-6??? why not be monitored all the time? or did I misunderstand?
besides, like we have said, we really don't know when Haleigh disappeared so how can they say that he was within his time zone of being monitored? he may have been home then but what about the time before that?


Y E S~ the funeral home being involved is creepy to me, and I pray it's not for publicity which seems to draw certain skeery people in ::MonkeyNoNo::

Regarding the SO, I think/hope they tracked his movements that entire date as we really don't know for sure when she disappeared due to the conflicting stories from gf.......Also, I think they are monitored all the time, it's just they curfew is in place also. It sure is taking forever to rule gf out ::MonkeyConfused:: I wish she would just come clean about whatever she is hiding (it could be she was passed out, not home etc), but it is vital that she is honest so they can move forward and don't have to continue to re-interview and polygraph her......time is crucial in finding mssing children and her conflicting stories seem to be tying up much needed investigators.

I sure wish they were able to rule


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 07:43:36 AM
sorry, I am 95 pages behind in reading

Is there a page where the bank acct shown on NG, but for a very quick time?

It was for Haleigh said Bank of America.

To me it is an outrage that a family has to live in a tent when the Anthony's rake in all the money from interviews. However, I would do the same (live in a tent if necessary) to remain close, if in their shoes.

In one night not only did the father, young son, gf loose Haliegh but lost their home also.

I agree and someone needs to take Misty and give her a warm bath and put her to bed for 12 hours.  I watched her this morning on NBC and she is still adamant that she was home and that their was no time lapse when she called 911 and Paternal grandmother was there w/her and said she believes her once again.  IDK. 

That is interesting to me~when she was telling LE who was there, she NEVER menioned paternal grammie, just a/c guy, brother and nephews........hmmmm.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 20, 2009, 07:55:06 AM
Island...I think poster was saying that grandmother was with Misty when she was saying during the interview that she was at home the entire time, not at the home with her that evening...? that is how I took it anyways....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 20, 2009, 07:57:30 AM
Just a question.
Has LE found that young blond sex offender yet that was missing for a few days now????? ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: theboyzmom on February 20, 2009, 07:57:58 AM
IslandMonkey...thanks for the info on the b/a...

2 things stuck out to me in the above....one is: isn't it kindof creepy that a funeral home is handling the t shirt etc. sales? Isn't there another business that could be the "store front" so to speak?
and two: so the SO has monitoring hours between 10 PM and 6 AM? sooooooo.....sex offenders don't offend in the hours before and after 10-6??? why not be monitored all the time? or did I misunderstand?
besides, like we have said, we really don't know when Haleigh disappeared so how can they say that he was within his time zone of being monitored? he may have been home then but what about the time before that?


My guess is that this is a small town. As I live in one, I will tell you that it does not creep me out very much. Our local funeral directors are part of the community and often help out with causes. I remember that one was a softball ump - freaked me out as a kid because he only had one working eye and it always looked like he was sizing you up for a casket!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 20, 2009, 08:01:41 AM
snip.//////  freaked me out as a kid because he only had one working eye and it always looked like he was sizing you up for a casket//////

now that gave me a giggle.... ::MonkeyDance::

I know what you mean about the small town thing and them being a part of the community of course....
but just the fact that this little one is missing and funeral home is selling items for her...just took me aback for a moment....but thank goodness they are helping out....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on February 20, 2009, 08:13:49 AM

 It sure is taking forever to rule gf out ::MonkeyConfused:: I wish she would just come clean about whatever she is hiding (it could be she was passed out, not home etc), but it is vital that she is honest so they can move forward and don't have to continue to re-interview and polygraph her......time is crucial in finding mssing children and her conflicting stories seem to be tying up much needed investigators.

I sure wish they were able to rule
This gives me a bit of an eerie deja vu feeling re: Casey Anthony not being immediately straightforward and changing her stories and wasting a lot of investigators' time.

I feel sorry for the family, too, but Misty's face just looks waaaaaay too worn out for a 17-yr-old face. She is just a child herself! Her facial expressions and complexion and whole demeanor should not look as old and worn out as they do and I'm not referring to physical fatigue alone which you would expect under the circumstances.

As I previously posted, this "worn-out-ness" of Misty's could easily be explained as the appearance and demeanor of someone who habitually abuses alcohol and other drugs or as the appearance of someone who suffers from habitual abuse and has been cowed into that defeated look.

She was not being her natural self in the 911 call. She was barely responsive to the 911 Operator. I think she was upset and also trying to take direction from the father and deal with the Operator. It sounded like she wasn't sure what story was the correct version to tell so she didn't want to hand out too many details. She may have been afraid of the father's anger. But, her words were not free-flowing. She seemed very guarded. Being emotionally a child herself, that situation may have been overwhelming to her.

If she knows she fell down on the job of taking care of her boyfriend's children, she may be living in terror of the fallout to herself. She wouldn't want to reveal too many details else it lead to the truth which could point some finger of blame at her (either negligence or active participation in Haleigh's fate).

Her self-defense mode reminds me of Casey Anthony but I think it's possible Misty is not a deliberate killer or helped any killer. I think she may just be a contributor by way of her behavior.

I agree with the earlier poster that there ought to be a way this family could have the use of a couple of trailers. Surely, somebody in the area can make a loan of a trailer -- they just sit idle if you're not using them yourself so what's the big deal?

(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/ap/4d3cbbda-ab1b-438a-ba3b-01a23161941a.widec.jpg)

I do not understand nor will I ever understand how someone could look into a face like this and want to hurt a child.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 08:21:53 AM
sorry, I am 95 pages behind in reading

Is there a page where the bank acct shown on NG, but for a very quick time?

It was for Haleigh said Bank of America.

To me it is an outrage that a family has to live in a tent when the Anthony's rake in all the money from interviews. However, I would do the same (live in a tent if necessary) to remain close, if in their shoes.

In one night not only did the father, young son, gf loose Haliegh but lost their home also.

I agree and someone needs to take Misty and give her a warm bath and put her to bed for 12 hours.  I watched her this morning on NBC and she is still adamant that she was home and that their was no time lapse when she called 911 and Paternal grandmother was there w/her and said she believes her once again.  IDK. 

That is interesting to me~when she was telling LE who was there, she NEVER menioned paternal grammie, just a/c guy, brother and nephews........hmmmm.

Island I meant she was there for the interview, not at the house the day Haleigh disappeared, sorry for the confusion.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 08:25:21 AM

 It sure is taking forever to rule gf out ::MonkeyConfused:: I wish she would just come clean about whatever she is hiding (it could be she was passed out, not home etc), but it is vital that she is honest so they can move forward and don't have to continue to re-interview and polygraph her......time is crucial in finding mssing children and her conflicting stories seem to be tying up much needed investigators.

I sure wish they were able to rule
This gives me a bit of an eerie deja vu feeling re: Casey Anthony not being immediately straightforward and changing her stories and wasting a lot of investigators' time.

I feel sorry for the family, too, but Misty's face just looks waaaaaay too worn out for a 17-yr-old face. She is just a child herself! Her facial expressions and complexion and whole demeanor should not look as old and worn out as they do and I'm not referring to physical fatigue alone which you would expect under the circumstances.

As I previously posted, this "worn-out-ness" of Misty's could easily be explained as the appearance and demeanor of someone who habitually abuses alcohol and other drugs or as the appearance of someone who suffers from habitual abuse and has been cowed into that defeated look.

She was not being her natural self in the 911 call. She was barely responsive to the 911 Operator. I think she was upset and also trying to take direction from the father and deal with the Operator. It sounded like she wasn't sure what story was the correct version to tell so she didn't want to hand out too many details. She may have been afraid of the father's anger. But, her words were not free-flowing. She seemed very guarded. Being emotionally a child herself, that situation may have been overwhelming to her.

If she knows she fell down on the job of taking care of her boyfriend's children, she may be living in terror of the fallout to herself. She wouldn't want to reveal too many details else it lead to the truth which could point some finger of blame at her (either negligence or active participation in Haleigh's fate).

Her self-defense mode reminds me of Casey Anthony but I think it's possible Misty is not a deliberate killer or helped any killer. I think she may just be a contributor by way of her behavior.

I agree with the earlier poster that there ought to be a way this family could have the use of a couple of trailers. Surely, somebody in the area can make a loan of a trailer -- they just sit idle if you're not using them yourself so what's the big deal?

(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/ap/4d3cbbda-ab1b-438a-ba3b-01a23161941a.widec.jpg)

I do not understand nor will I ever understand how someone could look into a face like this and want to hurt a child.



O/T, but when I saw Misty's mom and it said she was 39, I was like oh my god, I'm gonna be the big "4-0" this year and geesh, that's scary!!  It really shows a hard life.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 20, 2009, 08:27:33 AM
Oldie....great post! some very good points made that I  have thought as well

I agree with what you said under Haleigh's picture...so very sad!

also, did you see Misty's mother? .. she also looks very "old" for her age which I suspect is not that old...I thought that she had that defeated look about her as well as Misty did...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 20, 2009, 08:30:19 AM
fatcat...we must have been posting at the same time....
Yes, the mother does look old for 39! I hadn't realized her age before I read it in your post..a hard life to be sure!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: PookyBear on February 20, 2009, 08:37:34 AM
Good morning Monkeys -- It looks like some kind soul has donated a camper to get this family out of the elements.

WFTV Viewer Donates Camper To Haleigh's Father

Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 7:04 am EST February 20, 2009
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- An Eyewitness News viewer decided to donate a camper to Haleigh's father, who is presently living in a tent, while investigators search for the little girl.

The camper will be arriving Friday for Ronald Cummings to live in. Cummings moved into the tent when his home became a crime scene.


FAMILY MEMBERS LIVING IN TENT DURING SEARCH

Eyewitness News spoke with Haleigh's family Thursday about how they are coping. They are living in a tent, about 15-by-15 (see images). Coolers are full of water and drinks and inside is where the family is living, because their mobile home down the street is still a crime scene.

New information was released Thursday about the pink shirt Haleigh was last reported wearing. Ronald Cummings' grandmother, Annette Sykes, told Eyewitness News earlier this week deputies allowed Misty Croslin back inside the mobile home where Haleigh was abducted.

At a press conference Thursday afternoon, Ronald Cummings pleaded for his daughter's safe return.

NEWS CONFERENCE: Haleigh's Father Speaks
THE TENT: See Images Of Tent Family Is Living In
RAW INTERVIEWS: Haleigh's Mother | Great Grandmother

"Yes, I do have a message for whoever has taken Haleigh. I would ask that you please, please bring my daughter home. She's not yours, not your property. She's not something that you just take and say, 'It's mine.' This is my daughter, this is blood and I would like to have my daughter back please. Please bring my daughter home," he pleaded.

Sykes said the 17-year-old girlfriend found the pink shirt in the home, but the sheriff's office won't confirm where it was found. Meanwhile, the family is still camped out in the neighborhood.

"It's not home, but it's good. I mean it's dry, basically, it's out of the sun," Sykes said.

But on a rainy Thursday in Putnam County, water poured through the cracks of a tent donated by a funeral home. The fire department donated a propane tank to keep them warm on cool nights and the family is taking shifts sleeping on mattresses.

"Waiting on Haleigh to come home. This is as close to the house as we can get really and the gentleman here was nice enough to let us put this up in his yard," Sykes said.

That gentleman is also allowing Haleigh's family to run cable to the tent so they can watch a big, color, flat screen TV. There's also food, drinks, and chairs for guests.

As for the investigation into Haleigh's whereabouts, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office is still following up on more than 1,300leads. Haleigh's great grandmother said she'll be sleeping under the stars until the little girl comes home.

"We'll be right here waiting," she said.

Haleigh's little brother, Junior, is sleeping at a family home about six miles away.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 20, 2009, 08:44:40 AM
thanks for that news Pooky...at least they will have someplace a little more comfortable while they wait for Haleigh...this has to be torture for them...
big prayer and hugs going their way right now...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: nonesuche on February 20, 2009, 08:52:18 AM


this is scheduled for 8pm EST tonight:

The O'Reilly Factor
Shocking information about Haleigh's Father! Geraldo reveals the truth in a factor investigation.

http://www.foxnews.com/fnctv/


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: theboyzmom on February 20, 2009, 09:04:30 AM


this is scheduled for 8pm EST tonight:

The O'Reilly Factor
Shocking information about Haleigh's Father! Geraldo reveals the truth in a factor investigation.

http://www.foxnews.com/fnctv/

So if Geraldo is involved must be shocking stuff like his highshool yearbook photo?  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 20, 2009, 09:05:05 AM
Not sure if this has been put up yet.


WFTV Viewer Donates Camper To Haleigh's Father

Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 7:04 am EST February 20, 2009
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- An Eyewitness News viewer decided to donate a camper to Haleigh's father, who is presently living in a tent, while investigators search for the little girl.The camper will be arriving Friday for Ronald Cummings to live in. Cummings moved into the tent when his home became a crime scene. ...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18757422/detail.html#- ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 09:09:17 AM
Good morning Monkeys -- It looks like some kind soul has donated a camper to get this family out of the elements.

WFTV Viewer Donates Camper To Haleigh's Father

Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 7:04 am EST February 20, 2009
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- An Eyewitness News viewer decided to donate a camper to Haleigh's father, who is presently living in a tent, while investigators search for the little girl.

The camper will be arriving Friday for Ronald Cummings to live in. Cummings moved into the tent when his home became a crime scene.


FAMILY MEMBERS LIVING IN TENT DURING SEARCH

Eyewitness News spoke with Haleigh's family Thursday about how they are coping. They are living in a tent, about 15-by-15 (see images). Coolers are full of water and drinks and inside is where the family is living, because their mobile home down the street is still a crime scene.

New information was released Thursday about the pink shirt Haleigh was last reported wearing. Ronald Cummings' grandmother, Annette Sykes, told Eyewitness News earlier this week deputies allowed Misty Croslin back inside the mobile home where Haleigh was abducted.

At a press conference Thursday afternoon, Ronald Cummings pleaded for his daughter's safe return.

NEWS CONFERENCE: Haleigh's Father Speaks
THE TENT: See Images Of Tent Family Is Living In
RAW INTERVIEWS: Haleigh's Mother | Great Grandmother

"Yes, I do have a message for whoever has taken Haleigh. I would ask that you please, please bring my daughter home. She's not yours, not your property. She's not something that you just take and say, 'It's mine.' This is my daughter, this is blood and I would like to have my daughter back please. Please bring my daughter home," he pleaded.

Sykes said the 17-year-old girlfriend found the pink shirt in the home, but the sheriff's office won't confirm where it was found. Meanwhile, the family is still camped out in the neighborhood.

"It's not home, but it's good. I mean it's dry, basically, it's out of the sun," Sykes said.

But on a rainy Thursday in Putnam County, water poured through the cracks of a tent donated by a funeral home. The fire department donated a propane tank to keep them warm on cool nights and the family is taking shifts sleeping on mattresses.

"Waiting on Haleigh to come home. This is as close to the house as we can get really and the gentleman here was nice enough to let us put this up in his yard," Sykes said.

That gentleman is also allowing Haleigh's family to run cable to the tent so they can watch a big, color, flat screen TV. There's also food, drinks, and chairs for guests.

As for the investigation into Haleigh's whereabouts, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office is still following up on more than 1,300leads. Haleigh's great grandmother said she'll be sleeping under the stars until the little girl comes home.

"We'll be right here waiting," she said.

Haleigh's little brother, Junior, is sleeping at a family home about six miles away.

I think that's great~I pray someone will do the same for Crystal-bio mom, and that she is able to rec'v financial help also. The press conference yesterday with RC was vague as to who will get these funds because the funeral home rep mentioned only Ron's bills, so I hope someone will do at least as much for Crystal.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: cookie on February 20, 2009, 09:20:45 AM
I hope that Geraldo does not reveal things about the father that would serve no useful purpose about Haleigh's disappearance...this family is going through a lot right now and really don;t need to be beat up any more in my opinion...
Haven't we all done things in our past, especially when we were young and foolish, that we would not want broadcast on tv especially when we have a child missing? All of the energy should be going into what is happening to Haleigh and to bring her home....Perhaps some of these things happened when Ron was a few years younger and he has straightened out now?
He is still a young man with a lot of responsibility and it seems that he is trying to do the best that he can with what he has been given....as far as working to support his family and to provide...by all accounts that I have seen, he loves his daughter ...that and getting her found should be the focus for news persons I think


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: nonesuche on February 20, 2009, 09:26:03 AM


this is scheduled for 8pm EST tonight:

The O'Reilly Factor
Shocking information about Haleigh's Father! Geraldo reveals the truth in a factor investigation.

http://www.foxnews.com/fnctv/

I only posted the information. I'm not a big Geraldo fan but I also made no comment on it. I just hope they find Haleigh.


So if Geraldo is involved must be shocking stuff like his highshool yearbook photo?  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: nonesuche on February 20, 2009, 09:27:25 AM


this is scheduled for 8pm EST tonight:

The O'Reilly Factor
Shocking information about Haleigh's Father! Geraldo reveals the truth in a factor investigation.

http://www.foxnews.com/fnctv/

I only posted the information. I'm not a big Geraldo fan but I also made no comment on it. I just hope they find Haleigh.


So if Geraldo is involved must be shocking stuff like his highshool yearbook photo?  ::MonkeyRoll::

oops messed that post up


I only posted the information. I'm not a big Geraldo fan but I also made no comment on it. I just hope they find Haleigh. this was my response


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 20, 2009, 09:29:19 AM
Girlfriend's Cousin Under Investigation In Haleigh Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757844/detail.html#-


Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 8:46 am EST February 20, 2009
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sherriff's Office says that the FBI is investigating Misty Croslin's cousin.Eyewitness News learned Thursday, that Misty Croslin's cousin was in town the night Haleigh disappeared. There are questions about what role he may have played in the disappearance. After the little girl vanished, he took off to Tennessee.WFTV reporter Mark Boyle briefly spoke with Misty Croslin about her cousin.RAW VIDEO: Misty Croslin Talks To WFTV"You said you don't trust him, why?" asked Boyle."I just don't trust him,"


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 09:29:49 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29284055/

ok supposedly now Granny did see them that night at 7 eating dinner on the porch, read more comments about Misty and her care of the children.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 20, 2009, 09:31:08 AM
Girlfriend's Cousin Under Investigation In Haleigh Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757844/detail.html#-


Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 8:46 am EST February 20, 2009
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sherriff's Office says that the FBI is investigating Misty Croslin's cousin.Eyewitness News learned Thursday, that Misty Croslin's cousin was in town the night Haleigh disappeared. There are questions about what role he may have played in the disappearance. After the little girl vanished, he took off to Tennessee.WFTV reporter Mark Boyle briefly spoke with Misty Croslin about her cousin.RAW VIDEO: Misty Croslin Talks To WFTV"You said you don't trust him, why?" asked Boyle."I just don't trust him,"

Updated again..

Girlfriend's Cousin Under Investigation In Haleigh Case

Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 9:25 am EST February 20, 2009
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sherriff's Office says that the FBI is investigating Misty Croslin's cousin.

Eyewitness News learned Thursday, that Misty Croslin's cousin, known as "Joe" was in town the night Haleigh disappeared. There are questions about what role he may have played in the disappearance. After the little girl vanished, he took off to Tennessee.

WFTV reporter Mark Boyle briefly spoke with Misty Croslin about her cousin.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 09:32:29 AM
Girlfriend's Cousin Under Investigation In Haleigh Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757844/detail.html#-


Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 8:46 am EST February 20, 2009
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sherriff's Office says that the FBI is investigating Misty Croslin's cousin.Eyewitness News learned Thursday, that Misty Croslin's cousin was in town the night Haleigh disappeared. There are questions about what role he may have played in the disappearance. After the little girl vanished, he took off to Tennessee.WFTV reporter Mark Boyle briefly spoke with Misty Croslin about her cousin.RAW VIDEO: Misty Croslin Talks To WFTV"You said you don't trust him, why?" asked Boyle."I just don't trust him,"

Updated again..

Girlfriend's Cousin Under Investigation In Haleigh Case

Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 9:25 am EST February 20, 2009
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sherriff's Office says that the FBI is investigating Misty Croslin's cousin.

Eyewitness News learned Thursday, that Misty Croslin's cousin, known as "Joe" was in town the night Haleigh disappeared. There are questions about what role he may have played in the disappearance. After the little girl vanished, he took off to Tennessee.

WFTV reporter Mark Boyle briefly spoke with Misty Croslin about her cousin.

I have a real bad feeling about this. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 09:33:15 AM
Haleigh's Great-Grandmother Speaks Out, Defends Croslin

A day after detectives said they were following up on a tip that Croslin may not have been at home when Haleigh disappeared, the 5-year-old's great-grandmother, Annett Sykes, said she doesn't believe the tip at all.

Sykes said there is no way Croslin wasn’t home the night Haleigh went missing.


"That's a crock. I went by the house that night. She fed them. She bathed them. Every morning when Haleigh went out to go to school, she looked like she just stepped out of a beauty shop," Sykes said. "Y'all don't know her. Those children love her, and she loves them. I know everybody makes a big deal that she's only 17, and that's true, but she's a lot more mature than a lot of people that I've seen and that I know who are 25 and 30."

Police said they received a tip that Croslin was out instead of home with Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother last Monday night. However, Sykes said that tipster was wrong.

"We have heard rumor after rumor after rumor that has scared the daylights out of us, and it was absolutely nothing but a rumor," Sykes said.

She said she last saw Haleigh outside on the porch eating dinner at 7 p.m. on Monday.

"Her and Junior were sitting up there with a plate in their lap and eating. When we drove up they hollered, 'Hey Granny. Hey Granny,' like they always do," Sykes said.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 20, 2009, 09:34:44 AM
Girlfriend's Cousin Under Investigation In Haleigh Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757844/detail.html#-


Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 8:46 am EST February 20, 2009
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sherriff's Office says that the FBI is investigating Misty Croslin's cousin.Eyewitness News learned Thursday, that Misty Croslin's cousin was in town the night Haleigh disappeared. There are questions about what role he may have played in the disappearance. After the little girl vanished, he took off to Tennessee.WFTV reporter Mark Boyle briefly spoke with Misty Croslin about her cousin.RAW VIDEO: Misty Croslin Talks To WFTV"You said you don't trust him, why?" asked Boyle."I just don't trust him,"

Updated again..

Girlfriend's Cousin Under Investigation In Haleigh Case

Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 9:25 am EST February 20, 2009
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sherriff's Office says that the FBI is investigating Misty Croslin's cousin.

Eyewitness News learned Thursday, that Misty Croslin's cousin, known as "Joe" was in town the night Haleigh disappeared. There are questions about what role he may have played in the disappearance. After the little girl vanished, he took off to Tennessee.

WFTV reporter Mark Boyle briefly spoke with Misty Croslin about her cousin.

I have a real bad feeling about this. 

Wonder where he lives and/or friends are....in Tennessee or just driving threw..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: theboyzmom on February 20, 2009, 09:36:40 AM


this is scheduled for 8pm EST tonight:

The O'Reilly Factor
Shocking information about Haleigh's Father! Geraldo reveals the truth in a factor investigation.

http://www.foxnews.com/fnctv/

I only posted the information. I'm not a big Geraldo fan but I also made no comment on it. I just hope they find Haleigh.


So if Geraldo is involved must be shocking stuff like his highshool yearbook photo?  ::MonkeyRoll::

oops messed that post up


I only posted the information. I'm not a big Geraldo fan but I also made no comment on it. I just hope they find Haleigh. this was my response

Sorry - did not mean that towards you as an insult!  Just still poed at Geraldo for the whole exclusive interview with CinCin thing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 09:37:25 AM
Pharlap - I'd have to find it again but when going through friends of Misty's mom and relatives I found some that were in TN.  Not sure if they are also relatives or if they are friends but the family appears to be farely large. (Misty's extended)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: nonesuche on February 20, 2009, 09:45:46 AM


this is scheduled for 8pm EST tonight:

The O'Reilly Factor
Shocking information about Haleigh's Father! Geraldo reveals the truth in a factor investigation.

http://www.foxnews.com/fnctv/

I only posted the information. I'm not a big Geraldo fan but I also made no comment on it. I just hope they find Haleigh.


So if Geraldo is involved must be shocking stuff like his highshool yearbook photo?  ::MonkeyRoll::

oops messed that post up


I only posted the information. I'm not a big Geraldo fan but I also made no comment on it. I just hope they find Haleigh. this was my response

Sorry - did not mean that towards you as an insult!  Just still poed at Geraldo for the whole exclusive interview with CinCin thing.

good morning boyzmom-

I know you didn't mean it as an insult, I was discouraged to see this show on the docket honestly. I think we all want to see this child found and quickly !


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 09:47:41 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29284055/

ok supposedly now Granny did see them that night at 7 eating dinner on the porch, read more comments about Misty and her care of the children.

I knew I heard her state that she was there some time that night, but was getting reay for work and didn't have time to find the link.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 09:48:57 AM
http://www.cbs47.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=30042@video.fox30online.com&navCatId=5

Here's a video of Haleigh's former trailer which in right behind their new trailer shows back yard area of Cummings new trailer.  Nice neighbor lady, these poor people, it's so sad.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 09:51:42 AM
http://www.cbs47.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=30042@video.fox30online.com&navCatId=5

This is so sad!  Haleigh's mom is at the end.  This poor woman.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 20, 2009, 09:53:38 AM
Pharlap - I'd have to find it again but when going through friends of Misty's mom and relatives I found some that were in TN.  Not sure if they are also relatives or if they are friends but the family appears to be farely large. (Misty's extended)

pssst...I sent you mail......... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: misitx5 on February 20, 2009, 10:29:36 AM
This whole thing is driving me crazy...

Although LE has said (and I believe them)that they are following up on all tips, Well~ all the tips seem to lead back to Misty! How many lie detector test is this girl supposed to take before it  is proven she is definitely being shady or telling the truth? UGH I do not know what goes on behind closed doors but why is everyone being so nice(or not as mean as they should be IMO) to Misty???

It makes me wonder if secretly everyone knows Misty is involved and they are being nice in hopes that this will help Haleigh's situation....I wonder if Misty has a suspicion her relative took Haleigh..

Also this maybe out there but like someone said earlier(Kudos to that monkey, although cant remember who right now) I wouldn't want to piss off that dad, about his kids...I wonder if Misty was sick of the way he treated her and sent Haleigh off with someone...Like a --I'll teach him to treat me like crap, I'll send his precious daughter somewhere, then lets see how he treats girls after this----

This whole thing just seems to be going in circles around Misty.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 10:30:43 AM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970

Cousin Joe in Tenessee.  Yeah I stole it....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: misitx5 on February 20, 2009, 10:46:01 AM


this is scheduled for 8pm EST tonight:

The O'Reilly Factor
Shocking information about Haleigh's Father! Geraldo reveals the truth in a factor investigation.

http://www.foxnews.com/fnctv/

So if Geraldo is involved must be shocking stuff like his highshool yearbook photo?  ::MonkeyRoll::

Well yesterday on NG  they asked about drugs in the house..And I wonder if Geraldo will just bring up all the stuff that was posted here about his drug charges and previous run ins with the law...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 10:48:26 AM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970

Cousin Joe in Tenessee.  Yeah I stole it....

So do we know for sure Joe is THE cousin?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: flamom on February 20, 2009, 10:52:02 AM
If it is cousin Joe his banner suggests he is partying hard with Melissa, Missy perhaps??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 11:11:34 AM
Bare w/me, chasing the link on another web blog.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 11:19:56 AM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418190888

Tenessee cousin/friend Jeff on page...still going thru it to find connections.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418190888

I think this Kayla is Joe's sister?  and they are the cousin's.  Note all the familar faces on this website.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 11:22:44 AM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418190888

Tenessee cousin/friend Jeff on page...still going thru it to find connections.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418190888

I think this Kayla is Joe's sister?  and they are the cousin's.  Note all the familar faces on this website.

Yes, I've been through those but I'd really like to know for sure if Joe is THE cousin. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 11:43:19 AM
Hank Thomas Croslin married Lisa Carmen Overstreet 10/8/1985

Hank Thomas Croslin age 40 (Misty’s Father)

Travis Overstreet 19 SEBRING, FLORIDA
Charlie Overstreet 21 is in Michigan
Brandon Overstreet 18 Moves around and is close to Misty and her brothers
Josh Overstreet 20 as of January 26th,still in jail.


I feel like a thief...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 11:45:25 AM
more stolen stuff on cousin connection

♥Monica & Daniel♥
Sep 28 2008 4:54 PM
hey cuz whatcha been up to ! these girls keep me going crazy lol! Chelsea was in the hospital a week and marissa fell and had to have 3 staples put in her head! they are a hand full down here! So whats been going on? how is everyone, Tommy get married yet? Heard from Josh is he still locked up?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=380818970
Misty's cousin Joe from Tennessee,believe he's Kayla's brother.
!!~Kayla~!!
May 18 2008 7:57 PM
hey bro brandon had to go to the doctor tonight


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 11:48:38 AM
http://www.myspace.com/brandon12345b

Brandon's myspace.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: PookyBear on February 20, 2009, 11:49:17 AM
Klaas -- On page 89 Wyks posted a who's who in this case and I wondered whether we could have a seperate thread for that and add to it so that we can keep all the people straight?  There seem to be sooo many players or potential players.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 11:58:30 AM
Bare w/me, chasing the link on another web blog.

 ::MonkeyEek:: JOE IS the cousin....she just was on with Matt Lauer. Misty isn't talking to local press...

Girlfriend's Cousin Under Investigation In Haleigh Case
The Putnam County Sherriff's Office says that the FBI is investigating Misty
Croslin's cousin.
VIDEO REPORT: Cousin Under Investigation <http://www.wftv.com/tu/5EJu03tv1.html>
MISTY TALKS: Watch WFTV Interview <http://www.wftv.com/tu/5EJu04e2r.html> |


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 12:07:38 PM
alright I'm done chasing links...makes my head hurt and I feel like a thief.  Not really(thief part)!  But man the family tree is crazy and who knows if any of these cousins have anything to do with this.  The truth lies with Misty and Ronald and whoever took Haleigh and whatever happened that nite.

I can't believe there are no fingerprints anywhere...did they even check?  What about the gun, if the cousin stole it, it should have prints than they could atleast put him in the area.  It's all so hush hush, I almost wonder if LE knows who has her it's just a matter of where and they are letting the rumors drive us crazy to distract the real SO so he will keep her alive till they track him down.  I think if an SO has her and has already done damage and knows they are on to him, he will feel a real need to do worse, so maybe they are trying to throw us all off while they narrow in on the SOB!  I will keep that hopefull thought in my head for now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 12:08:28 PM
Klaas -- On page 89 Wyks posted a who's who in this case and I wondered whether we could have a seperate thread for that and add to it so that we can keep all the people straight?  There seem to be sooo many players or potential players.

I already did that Pooky  ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4570.0


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 12:12:58 PM
Bare w/me, chasing the link on another web blog.

 ::MonkeyEek:: JOE IS the cousin....she just was on with Matt Lauer. Misty isn't talking to local press...

Girlfriend's Cousin Under Investigation In Haleigh Case
The Putnam County Sherriff's Office says that the FBI is investigating Misty
Croslin's cousin.
VIDEO REPORT: Cousin Under Investigation <http://www.wftv.com/tu/5EJu03tv1.html>
MISTY TALKS: Watch WFTV Interview <http://www.wftv.com/tu/5EJu04e2r.html> |

Yes she was being pretty defiant in the interview.  So this is him?  Do we know what Joe's last name is?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/JoeMistyCousin.jpg)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: theboyzmom on February 20, 2009, 12:13:59 PM
Here is the exchange last night between Mike Brooks (former FBI) and NG that we were discussing in the Caylee thread:

GRACE: Well, why would you think he`s talking to the girlfriend? Because my interpretation of that call was he was PO`d at the 911 operator, and I don`t blame him. They`re screaming, my daughter`s gone, my daughter`s gone, and they`re going, what`s her DOB?

BROOKS: Right. Now -- but -- exactly, but -- that`s OK, but they`ve got cars on the way. That`s the way they do, they can type it in while cars are going. In fact, from the dispatcher, it was -- the call was received at 3:27, dispatched at 3:28.

GRACE: You know, Brooks, Brooks, save it. I`ve been in the dispatch office. I`ve seen.

BROOKS: Did you see the police report, too, Nancy?

GRACE: Yes.

BROOKS: When he called his girlfriend?

GRACE: Yes. And? And?

BROOKS: OK. Well, there has got to be some reason why he was calling -- when he told the police "my dumb `B` girlfriend," and he called her that on the dispatch tapes. There was something else going on there, Nancy, I guarantee it.

GRACE: I hate to shatter your illusions, but that type of language amongst live-ins, married people, boyfriend-girlfriend, is not all that unusual, especially in a pressurized situation, right?

BROOKS: Oh, OK. I don`t know what -- no, whatever you say. You must have experience, because apparently, I don`t.



I still think Brooks was pizzed at NG - and I tend to agree with him that there is way more going on in this home than we know.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: pharlap on February 20, 2009, 12:14:39 PM
alright I'm done chasing links...makes my head hurt and I feel like a thief.  Not really(thief part)!  But man the family tree is crazy and who knows if any of these cousins have anything to do with this.  The truth lies with Misty and Ronald and whoever took Haleigh and whatever happened that nite.

I can't believe there are no fingerprints anywhere...did they even check?  What about the gun, if the cousin stole it, it should have prints than they could atleast put him in the area.  It's all so hush hush, I almost wonder if LE knows who has her it's just a matter of where and they are letting the rumors drive us crazy to distract the real SO so he will keep her alive till they track him down.  I think if an SO has her and has already done damage and knows they are on to him, he will feel a real need to do worse, so maybe they are trying to throw us all off while they narrow in on the SOB!  I will keep that hopefull thought in my head for now.

However what relative would help them out hiding? ::MonkeyNoNo::
Everyone is looking for them.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 12:27:47 PM
If it is a SO, I don't think it's related, I think random, I know it's highly unlikely, but w/all the chaos in this house for everyone to see, it could just be one nearby who saw an opportunity and took it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 12:36:09 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29298349/

Girlfriend of Haleigh’s dad asserts: ‘I was home’
But Misty Croslin won’t rule out unidentified relative in girl’s disappearance
 Video

 
  Girlfriend of Haleigh’s dad sticks to story
Feb. 20: TODAY’s Matt Lauer talks to the grandmother of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, Teresa Neves, and Haleigh’s father’s girlfriend, Misty Croslin, about the search for the little girl.
Today show
 

 
updated 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
The young woman who was caring for a missing 5-year-old Florida girl continued to maintain she was home all night when Haleigh Cummings vanished, but said she could not rule out the possibility that a male relative from Tennessee was involved in the disappearance.

Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old live-in girlfriend of Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, reported that Haleigh was missing from Cummings’ double-wide home around 3 a.m. on Tuesday, Feb. 10. The previous day, an unidentified male relative from Tennessee had left after a visit of an unspecified length. Cummings has denied published reports that he argued with the man about a gun.

 
‘He’s a criminal’

Among the 1,300 tips collected by investigators was one possible sighting of Haleigh in a car with an adult male and female in Knoxville, Tenn. Police in Knoxville have interviewed the relative Croslin spoke of, but on Friday she told TODAY’s Matt Lauer that she was not convinced the man was not involved in Haleigh’s disappearance.



“I really don’t know. I don’t know if he did [it] or not,” Croslin said, speaking via satellite from Satsuma, Fla. “He’s a criminal. Pretty much he’s been in trouble his whole life. I don’t trust him, no don’t.”

Croslin did not identify the man, nor did she say what her relationship to him is. She is the last person to have seen Haleigh, and she is the person who reported her missing. Inconsistencies have been pointed out in the story she has told investigators, although Croslin has reportedly passed a polygraph test.

On Wednesday, Putnam County, Fla., investigators interviewed her again. Lauer asked what questions she was asked. “They just wanted to go over some stuff with me, pretty much the same thing that they have been going over with me,” she replied without emotion.

‘I was home’

Lauer noted that one tip received by investigators alleged that Croslin was not at home when Haleigh went missing. Croslin has said that she got up to use the bathroom and realized that Haleigh was not in the room she shared with Croslin and her 4-year-old brother. It has also been suggested that Croslin did not call police immediately after she discovered Haleigh missing and the back door of the home, which she said was always locked, propped open with a brick.

 
TODAY
Five-year-old Haleigh Cummings was reported missing the morning of Feb. 10.
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“I was home. I was home,” she insisted. She said she does not know the exact time when she realized the little girl was not in the house, only that it was after 3 a.m. “I looked at the clock and I seen ‘3.’ I didn’t see the minutes, I just seen ‘3.’ After I looked around the house, called her name, I was on the phone with the cops,” Croslin told Lauer.

Other published reports have said that Croslin waited until Cummings came home sometime after 3 a.m. to tell him Haleigh was missing before calling police.

Whatever the gap, she told Lauer, “It was not a long period of time at all.”

The pink shirt

There are also questions about what Haleigh was wearing. Croslin initially told police she had a pink shirt on, the same shirt she had worn to school on Monday. But she later found the shirt in the laundry. Lauer asked her about that inconsistency.

 
Misty Croslin joined Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, and others at a nighttime vigil for the missing 5-year-old.
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“I was in the house with the detectives,” she said. “And I was looking by the dirty clothes — the clothes that she was wearing earlier in the day for school — and I found that shirt, and I showed the detectives. If I was hiding something, why would I show the cops the shirt?”
 ::MonkeyConfused:: Ok, I thought the pink shirt was what she changed into after her bath.......so, why would you wear the same shirt to sleep in that you wore to school ::MonkeyRoll::

Croslin was joined by Haleigh’s paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves. Both stood in front of a large tent in which the family is living because Cummings’ house has been sealed off as a crime scene. Croslin had pictures of Haleigh attached to her jacket, while Neves held a large photo of the girl, showing her blond curls and a distinctive smudgelike birthmark on her left cheek near her ear.

Neves has been supportive of Croslin, but Neves told Lauer she does not object to police questioning the young woman again. “I want the detectives to find my granddaughter. I do not care who they question. We are all available for questioning. All we want is for Haleigh to come home.”

Lauer asked Neves what she thinks happened.

“I think somebody came in the house and took her,” Neves replied. “Who it was I do not know or why they took her, I don’t know, but I do believe that somebody came in the house and took her.”

Lauer asked if she remained confident Haleigh would be found alive.

“Absolutely,” she said. “Absolutely. All we have is hope and prayer.”


VIDEO~ http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29298458#29298458


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 12:42:50 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/18759621/detail.html

Tip Leads To New Search For Haleigh Cummings
Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 12:33 pm EST February 20, 2009

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- A new tip led to a new ground search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings Friday and an army of deputies searched a wooded area just a few hundred yards from her home.

Putnam County sheriff's deputies stopped all physical ground searches for Haleigh Cummings last Monday, but Friday morning Eyewitness News found a search team in Satsuma in a parking lot and followed behind them.

The tip that led law enforcement to the wooded area came in overnight. Officers from all over, including Flagler County Fire Rescue, showed up early Friday morning to begin the search.

There were more than 70 searchers, some with walking sticks. Eyewitness News was the only TV news crew in the woods when the search began.

"We're going to move to the north, which will be to our right all the way down this road, double arms length apart. The go signal is going to be 'move,'" the search leader announced.

The group met briefly Friday morning and then lined up on a dirt road.

Haleigh Cummings has been missing for almost two weeks and, so far, no luck in tracking her down. There are new leads, though.

The FBI is investigating Misty Croslin's cousin in Tennessee about his possible role in the abduction. Croslin's cousin was in Satsuma the night Haleigh vanished and then went back to Tennessee.

MISTY CROSLIN TALKS
Watch WFTV Interview | Images
 
Misty Croslin is Haleigh's father's girlfriend and the last one to see the 5-year-old. Friday morning, she told Eyewitness News she doesn't trust her very own family member (watch it | images).

"Why don't you trust him?" WFTV reporter Mark Boyle asked Croslin.

"I just don't," she said.

"Is their a specific reason?" Boyle asked.

"I am not going to put that on TV," she said.

"You say he's a life-time criminal. Is that true?" Boyle asked.

"He has had a lot of trouble his whole life," she replied.

Eyewitness News has confirmed that a woman called 911 in Knoxville, Tennessee a few days ago to report a possible Haliegh sighting. The woman told police she saw a man shielding a little girl's face who looked like Haleigh while getting into an SUV.

There were also reports that Croslin's cousin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, got into some type of argument hours before the 5-year-old disappeared.

Eyewitness News asked Cummings about the reported argument.

"There was no fight with a cousin over a gun. I don't know where people are getting their information from, but people say a lot of things and they don't always know what they are talking about," he said.

At noon Thursday, 17-year-old Misty Croslin was escorted to a car with two detectives. She had to put out her smoke before getting into the backseat, but didn't answer any questions.

Minutes later, her boyfriend, Ronald Cummings, spoke out about her (watch it).

"I don't have any suspicions of anybody," Ronald said of Misty. "Anybody could have done anything. Obviously, if I knew what was going on, I would have my daughter."


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: ospainter on February 20, 2009, 12:45:10 PM
Headline News

The family will hold a news conference at 1 pm est.

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 12:45:45 PM
Headline News

The family will hold a news conference at 1 pm est.

OS

thanks OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: ospainter on February 20, 2009, 12:47:15 PM
Headline News

The family will hold a news conference at 1 pm est.

OS

thanks OS



Your welcome



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: ospainter on February 20, 2009, 12:58:56 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=111540&catid=17

News conference link


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 20, 2009, 12:59:21 PM
Tipster Says Haleigh Spotted In Tenn.
PALATKA, Fla. -- Detectives in Putnam County said on Thursday that they received a tip that Haleigh

Haleigh was last seen on Feb. 9 before disappearing from her home in Satsuma, prompting an intense search of the area that's resulted in few clues to her whereabouts.

The tipster told authorities that Haleigh was seen at a restaurant in Knoxville.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18757466/detail.html

Was there a truck described in this sighting? I thought so, but cannot find it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 01:01:22 PM
Here is the exchange last night between Mike Brooks (former FBI) and NG that we were discussing in the Caylee thread:

GRACE: Well, why would you think he`s talking to the girlfriend? Because my interpretation of that call was he was PO`d at the 911 operator, and I don`t blame him. They`re screaming, my daughter`s gone, my daughter`s gone, and they`re going, what`s her DOB?

BROOKS: Right. Now -- but -- exactly, but -- that`s OK, but they`ve got cars on the way. That`s the way they do, they can type it in while cars are going. In fact, from the dispatcher, it was -- the call was received at 3:27, dispatched at 3:28.

GRACE: You know, Brooks, Brooks, save it. I`ve been in the dispatch office. I`ve seen.

BROOKS: Did you see the police report, too, Nancy?

GRACE: Yes.

BROOKS: When he called his girlfriend?

GRACE: Yes. And? And?

BROOKS: OK. Well, there has got to be some reason why he was calling -- when he told the police "my dumb `B` girlfriend," and he called her that on the dispatch tapes. There was something else going on there, Nancy, I guarantee it.

GRACE: I hate to shatter your illusions, but that type of language amongst live-ins, married people, boyfriend-girlfriend, is not all that unusual, especially in a pressurized situation, right?

BROOKS: Oh, OK. I don`t know what -- no, whatever you say. You must have experience, because apparently, I don`t.



I still think Brooks was pizzed at NG - and I tend to agree with him that there is way more going on in this home than we know.

I am with Mike on this one... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: theboyzmom on February 20, 2009, 01:04:22 PM
What does mom have on her head??? Strange - may be shadows but wierd looking!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 01:05:59 PM
Tipster Says Haleigh Spotted In Tenn.
PALATKA, Fla. -- Detectives in Putnam County said on Thursday that they received a tip that Haleigh

Haleigh was last seen on Feb. 9 before disappearing from her home in Satsuma, prompting an intense search of the area that's resulted in few clues to her whereabouts.

The tipster told authorities that Haleigh was seen at a restaurant in Knoxville.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18757466/detail.html

Was there a truck described in this sighting? I thought so, but cannot find it.
Yes it was a red Toyota RAV-4, with Florida plates......in which case, it would make less sense that the cousin had her because he is from, so therefore SHOULD have TN tags. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 20, 2009, 01:06:33 PM
What does mom have on her head??? Strange - may be shadows but wierd looking!

I think that is Ronald's mother and sister?

The sister has bangs that are casting a weird light on her forehead.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: flamom on February 20, 2009, 01:06:48 PM
sad, so sad.. am watching the presser by the family
poor cryatal, her head piece is very distracting  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: Brandi on February 20, 2009, 01:08:40 PM
Tipster Says Haleigh Spotted In Tenn.
PALATKA, Fla. -- Detectives in Putnam County said on Thursday that they received a tip that Haleigh

Haleigh was last seen on Feb. 9 before disappearing from her home in Satsuma, prompting an intense search of the area that's resulted in few clues to her whereabouts.

The tipster told authorities that Haleigh was seen at a restaurant in Knoxville.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18757466/detail.html

Was there a truck described in this sighting? I thought so, but cannot find it.
Yes it was a red Toyota RAV-4, with Florida plates......in which case, it would make less sense that the cousin had her because he is from, so therefore SHOULD have TN tags. ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks. Because cousin Jeff in Tennessee has a red s10 pickup, according to his myspace page.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=100325897&albumID=1519476&imageID=26835598


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 01:09:18 PM
HMMMMMMM~Intersting look on gramma's face when asked where Misty was, "she is home, she has a home".....not quite as sure of Misty as she used to be IMO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 01:09:40 PM
Joe is the cousin according to Misty


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: theboyzmom on February 20, 2009, 01:09:43 PM
What does mom have on her head??? Strange - may be shadows but wierd looking!

I think that is Ronald's mother and sister?

The sister has bangs that are casting a weird light on her forehead.


you are right - mom and sister. Sister was very strange looking with that think on her head - I don't think it was a shadow since it did not move.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 01:11:18 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/MODLOCK1.gif)

Please move to Haleigh #2

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4563.0